Retired U.S. Army Major Ed Dames, president of SciTech, corrects Nightline inaccuracies regarding the Stargate program, clarifying that the operational element was distinct from the $11 to $20 million research funds and involved trained remote viewers rather than mere tarot readers. He details the 1983 Stanford protocols developed by Ingo Swan, which achieve 80% to 90% accuracy compared to untrained subjects' 15%, currently aiding in locating the Unabomber and studying AIDS origins. Dames dismisses mind control claims while warning of accelerating global crises, including ozone-induced mutations and physical earth changes, suggesting humanity lacks the capacity for self-correction before these inevitable shifts occur. [Automatically generated summary]
On November 28th, Nightline did a show on something called remote viewing, which is a sort of a psychic expression, and it is said to mean, I guess, that you can look through somebody else's eyes and, in essence, spy, as in reading their minds.
It seemed an odd, a very odd thing for Nightline to do, actually, in view of the breaking Bosnia story at the time.
Honorio Hayakawa has sent me a fact about a man named Major Ed Dane, U.S. Army retired.
And he helped, apparently, set up the U.S. government's psychic spy operations.
And he says that not everything Nightline said was accurate.
Not only that, but they barely touched the surface of what really is going on.
It evolved, was passed to DIA in the mid-1980s and ended up for about three or four months under the auspices of CIA, but only a shadow of its former self.
My job at very high levels of intelligence in the 19 and early 19, the early 1980s, about 1980, 81, was to orchestrate the penetration of high-value foreign intelligence projects and to wit foreign missile delivery systems, nuclear weapon systems, biological and chemical warfare programs to penetrate those and gather intelligence on them.
There were some of those targets that by hook or by crook, using agents or satellites or special operations units, short of an act of war, I could not answer the mail, so to speak.
And so as a tactic of desperation, I turned to earlier CIA studies and to work that was being done by an operating U.S. Army unit using people, natural psychics.
Joe McMonago, who you might have seen the other night on Nightline, was one of those naturals to help me solve problems or give me some type of a handle on the problems I was faced with, very intractable problems.
I put together an effective operating force, but the unit, in fact, in its original primal form, was already operating in the late 1970s using naturals.
It evolved into something much more powerful later.
There are elements of Congress, certain Congress, congressmen who were involved in supporting the project.
And the CIA itself, to avoid embarrassment, wanted to do some damage control.
I think that was one element.
I am not sure about that, about their agenda.
What I am sure about are two points that were erroneous.
Ted Koppel stated that or attempted to ascertain that the CIA statement of spending $11 to $20 million on the program was real.
That is not, in fact, correct.
Stargate, the remnants of the collection group, the intelligence collection group, that was a research project.
The $11 to $20 million that the CIA says it spent was not on an operational, that is an intelligence collection element.
It was on research funds, research monies, an attempt to establish the validity of technical remote viewing.
That's my term.
That's what my company uses.
And not on intelligence collection.
That's one point.
Second point is that Stargate was not the, was only the last six months to two years of the program and only consisted of three remote viewers that worked for the government.
One, who I trained and was an excellent remote viewer.
The other two were naturals and they were simply tarot card readers that the agency found somewhere and that were essentially the concubines of a couple of congressmen.
The reason that those of us in Army intelligence in the 80s could not use natural psychics was that natural psychics, when they were on target, they were really on, the best of the best.
And there were about five or six of them in the United States.
But when they were off target, they were really off.
And it was that lack of consistency that disallowed them from being used on operations in support of operations where deadly force would be used or where life or death situations prevailed.
One was a research side of the house that was out in the open.
That's the kind of thing that was being discussed by Keith Herary and Dale Graf and the other night.
But there was another unit that was very, very secret.
And that was the unit for which I was operations officer and training officer.
We were actually the intelligence collectors.
We did not have to be politically correct, that is, to crunch numbers.
To validate the existence of the phenomenon in the eyes of the U.S. Army and people who own the project at DOD level, the research had to continue in order to justify the continued expenditure of funds for the operational element of which I led.
My company is now helping federal authorities find the unit bombers, and I will be very successful at doing that.
That will be proof of the pudding.
But that came about from a lot of hard work on the part of U.S. Army officers that and a brilliant discovery in 1983 by a man, Ingo Swan, a natural psychic who lives in New York City, who discovered a structured way of how the unconscious mind communicates with conscious awareness, how to tap into collective unconscious, if you will, sort of like an automated database,
the same way one would search out a database.
How to allow the unconscious mind to do that and communicate to conscious awareness detailed, very accurate information while suppressing imagination, being able to train someone to distinguish between his or her imagination and the data that is associated with a target, a person, a place, a thing, or an event.
And how to suppress one's propensity to analyze the data.
So we're downloading from collective unconscious raw perceptual information in a very structured way.
How does one, if there's a way to explain it, teach somebody with these powers to delineate between their own imagination and what is being remotely viewed?
That was part and parcel of the breakthrough discovery made by Ingo Swan, the person who was a contractor, the natural psychic who was contracted by the U.S. government, the Army in this case.
That was part of his discovery at Stanford Research Institute in 1983.
He had been there for a number of years and had been the guinea pig of the American Society for Parapsychological Research for many years.
And extremely gifted natural psychic who turned his attention on himself and said, how am I doing this?
And was able to put together a model for how he himself, as a naturally gifted psychic, was communicating his unconscious to his conscious awareness.
When he put together this model, which is a set of protocols, behavioral protocols that I teach and that he taught me, we're able to discriminate, to teach ourselves how to distinguish imagination all the time from what we call the signal.
That is, the data that's associated with our target.
The signal is that little weak voice, if you will, that is associated with the target as opposed to the own background noise, the day-to-day moment-to-moment conscious noise that we have in our conscious mind.
Is there a way, or you may not want to, and I don't want to push into it, but is there a way to briefly describe to us the methods that the methodology you use?
Without going into the, the course is a nine-day, very intensive course, and so I'll skip a lot, including lectures.
But basically, we acquire a target.
We are able to turn our conscious attention and our unconscious mind to the target via a series of stages.
It takes about 20 minutes for us to go through as remote viewers to go through these stages to a point where we can accurately begin to perceive correctly elements about a target, a person, place, a thing, or an event.
These stages, there are six stages.
Each one is tantamount to increasingly greater target contact.
At first, we, and this is done in the state of high attention.
It is not like the old days where we use altered states, laid down in a bed in a dark room, and sort of like a stream of consciousness protocol.
This is a structured, a very structured technique.
The remote viewer is sitting at a desk with a ream of white paper in front of him or her and a pen.
And using these protocols, they first perceive a target.
They're not told what the target is.
They're only given a random number.
Their unconscious mind is taught to do all the work.
They perceive a target first as a gestalt of information, kind of a thought ball, if you will.
This is elaborated on the paper in a certain way.
The next stage is sensory perceptions, where they elaborate, they download, they objectify in words and sketches the colors, the textures, the smells and tastes, the sounds, the temperatures, and the dimensions that are present at the site.
They write those words down, and it's done in an order of about four seconds.
Think of a metronome in front of you where you're moving very rapidly, writing down these percepts.
The next stage, they do some, that is kinesthetic target contact, where they do some cursory sketching of the target.
The next stage, stage four, is where they begin to make judgments about the data and write down things like people, chairs, meeting, those kinds of things.
And we can, anyway, we proceed along these, using these protocols in a very structured manner to the point where we can do accurate, very accurate drawings, distances, directions, vectors of a target.
We can do clay models of a person, a place, a facility, those kinds of things, an object.
For instance, right now we're modeling for a federal agency the next set of bombs that the unibomber is making to use against civilians.
In the research at SciTech, or in that government work you did, was there ever any research into whether the target at any point becomes aware in any way or of any change, discomfort, probing, aware in any way that he or she is a target?
Our Soviet counterparts, the KGB team known as the Extra Sensors, that was a Russian term, they attempted those kinds of things, mostly unsuccessfully.
They tried to stop hearts by experimenting with frogs, stopping frogs' hearts, and then attempting to move up and up the Enti.
But they were fairly unsuccessful.
We never attempted anything like that.
And as far as I know, we wouldn't be able to do it.
I would not engage in that kind of thing.
It's a passive act.
It collects information and downloads it very accurately.
But do you think that this ability, apparent innate ability in some, is something that we are coming to in the process of evolution or something that is long forgotten and simply being resurrected by people like you?
Well, I've been involved in a lot of very, very deep, dark, black projects in my career, and I have to say that I have never dealt or been assigned to a unit that has suffered more ostracism, more been looked upon with more fear, more jealousy than that unit that I was assigned to.
No matter how good we performed, there were others that senior officers, not just Army, senior civilian officials, who were scared to death by this.
They did not want to hear that it was true.
When the head of the Presidential Foreign Intelligence Board, the Pythiad, was briefed, he went sheet white and said, man should not know these things until he dies.
They're concentrated in the South Bend, Indiana area, as I have mentioned that publicly once, but the details, further details, we have to provide to law enforcement agency.
Ask your guest art to comment on the suspicious circumstances surrounding the death of Ingo Swan and others who were involved in the original projects.
What I'm looking for is someone who is going to use the skills, because I am not going to invest nine long, hard days of my time in someone who's not going to take this back and use it and their disciples discipline, whether that's medicine.
We train doctors, scientists, musicians, you name it, who we want to go back and use this in the profession to solve their own problems and to bootstrap their own disciplines.
Some of them have written books.
If you were to come to me as a natural psychic with that kind of a talent, I would first be leery that you had a big ego.
If your ego was such that you've been told how good you were for many years, I'm going to need to break that down because you have to start from square one with me.
Think of if I were an NBA scout and I saw some kid in an inner city who could run rings around his peers with a basketball.
If that kid was prepared to come with me and start from square one in a training camp, I know I can make an all-star out of him.
But if he's not, then I can't do anything with that.
Of the two possibilities, would you rather train the untrained and those who have a sort of latent ability that you can bring out, or would you rather have somebody already with great power in this area come to you?
I've been training since 1983, and I think it's split down the middle, 50-50.
About half of the people I have trained who have become all-stars rather than just mere professionals said they had no psychic ability to speak of.
And it turns out that they did and didn't know it, and they were superb.
The other half were people who had natural psychic ability and knew it, but were willing to toe the line and submit to the training protocols, which are rigorous.
I think only that it changes the way you look at the world.
And that does have certain ramifications.
It does not empower you, but when you reach a point in training where you can stick your heads metaphorically up above the cloud and see where you've been, where you're going, and your relationship to everything else around you for the first time, that is a fairly life-changing event.
A lot of science research and development types of companies who are interested in solutions to technical problems or perhaps a new drug, vaccines, those kinds of things.
We actually had almost landed a project to look at the origin of AIDS.
Now, we have to be careful when we do something like this, too.
AIDS is both a disease and a virus.
So when you're searching the collective unconscious, the way that we do it in a very rigorous systematic manner, if we are looking for the origin of the AIDS virus, we can go back 10,000, 40,000 years where it appeared to be a canine virus that jumped ship and became simian or monkey born.
But if we look for it, if we just target the topical idea of AIDS, then we see a number of a couple decades ago its beginnings as a pandemic.
So we have to be very careful about what we call queuing, those search terms.
I have had on my program and will have on tomorrow night somebody who claims great psychic powers and has documented them to a great degree, Gordon Michael Scallion.
He has predicted accurately weather cycles, volcanic action earlier in the year and in March a series of earthquakes that he now believes may be culminating in a very, very large series of earthquakes soon.
In your probing of the collective consciousness, do you run into anything like this?
In a general way, it appears that over the years we've looked at these just as an experiment as a military team and compiled results.
We perceive massive global weather changes that preclude growing crops.
The vicissitude that these weather changes will preclude growing crops the way we normally do.
We'll no longer be in North America, at least.
The crops will have to be grown in habitats that are controlled.
A tremendous problem with epidemics and pandemics, diseases in third world countries, particularly because ozone, it appears that ozone, the ozone problem, is increasing the mutation rate, stressing the Earth's immune system, if you will, and causing microorganisms to mutate much faster than vaccines can be made to keep up with them, causing a lot of deaths.
We're perceiving a bovine AIDS that kills a lot of babies.
It's transmitted by somatropic growth hormone, the Dairymen's Association.
The needle that they use to inject this growth hormone to increase milk production.
I am not as sensitive any more than anybody else, but I watch the news.
I've done this show, you know, news-oriented program for 11 years now, this particular program.
So every day I do homework and I watch the news.
And I have come to coin or use a word called the quickening.
I call it that.
Whether it's economic, political, social, in every single area of human endeavor, events appear to be accelerating toward I don't know what, but I can just feel it.
And so I've called it the quickening, and it kind of gone on.
Do you feel what I feel?
To me, it's just the hair stands up on the back of my neck, the other shoe about to fall, kind of feeling the acceleration of events.
And he feels that the Earth, that the globe is in that sort of a modality now, that it's accelerating out of control without the governor and then it's going to go bam.
As you look into the collective unconscious, I too share that half-empty glass of water view with you, by the way.
But I'm not sure what lies upon the other side.
I simply know that like the airplane halfway across the Pacific in the old days, the little red light saying point of no return, that's already on for humanity.
Oh, I think that our success on the Unobomber project will probably do that for us, although I thank you for the opportunity.
I have a training program where a very few select people a year are accepted into our Beverly Hills training office for nine days, an intensive one-on-one.
There's only one student per course, and we teach these skills to those students.
If there are any of your listeners who think that they might want to do that, they can communicate with me.
Do you want to give you the address of the company?