Art Bell welcomes Maj. Ed Dames, a retired U.S. Army officer who led a classified psychic spy program (1960s–1995) under agencies like the DIA and NSA, debunking CIA/ABC’s "half-truths" about remote viewing—structured protocols accessing the collective unconscious for intel, trained to 80%–90% accuracy. SciTech’s work, including locating the Unabomber near South Bend, Indiana, contrasts with Soviet KGB’s failed mind-control experiments. Dr. Rod Lewis reveals the National Security Establishment’s "black projects," like HAARP and Operation Clean Sweep, tied to warnings of cometary impacts, plagues, and societal destabilization, including 1,500 millennialist groups. Dames links children’s apocalyptic themes in media to time compression fears, while Lewis cautions about fundamentalist beliefs accelerating crises. Contractors’ "need-to-know" plans and Dames’ Beverly Hills move hint at strategic foresight amid looming catastrophes. [Automatically generated summary]
Or do you set a limit on how much the gun costs to determine that it is a Saturday night special?
Is it a gun only used on Saturday nights?
You know, I've heard this expression for a long time, and I never have been able to figure out what a Saturday night special is.
So one of you anti-gunners out there can probably help me out.
What is a Saturday night special?
There is a lot of news, but I have cornered a guest for next hour who should be of some interest.
You may recall the Nightline program a few nights ago that dealt with remote viewing.
Well, I got a fax from Norio Hayakawa, which reads the following.
It's kind of interesting.
Major Ed Dames, U.S. Army retired, has decided to go public art with his involvement in the U.S. government psychic spy operations in response to the half-truths, did you hear that, half-truths, and disinformation about the project now being disseminated by CIA and others, as reported most recently on the ABC Nightline program of 1128-95.
Dames is the man who actually helped create the psychic espionage unit of the U.S. Army's Department of Military Intelligence, heading its operation for about a decade, leading all of its major operations and severing as its only training officer, serving as its only training officer during the project's entire 28-year history.
Now, the major cannot speculate on why the CIA and others have begun this program of disinformation, though he has some ideas.
What he can and apparently will talk about are other projects not mentioned, Sunstreak, Grill Frame, Center Lane, Stargate, I like that one, as well as Scanate.
None of these were ever mentioned.
They are also apparently government programs.
So this would be the man who would know he ran his unit under the charter of the DIA, Army, INSCOM, but also NSA, DIA, NEA, Navy, Air Force.
And it should be very interesting to find out what Nightline told us that was wrong and what Nightline did not tell us at all.
And I thought you would be very interested in that.
And he has agreed to come on for an hour at midnight.
So we'll talk to him.
We'll find out.
Now, it was launched six years ago.
Galileo has made it to Jupiter.
It took 20 years of scientific work.
And it was, indeed, and they needed one, a good day for NASA.
The probe was launched right on schedule.
It transmitted photographs and data back to Galileo.
The 750-pound probe deployed by Galileo entered the atmosphere.
Parachutes popped out.
Data began streaming in.
And it continued for 75 minutes until the probe disintegrated as it entered the denser aspects of Jupiter's atmospheres.
Plural.
At any rate, then Galileo did a rocket burn, placed itself in orbit.
It will stay there for a couple of years, look at the moons of Jupiter, and look more at Jupiter, and then finally burn up in Jupiter.
We will not get the first data it has sent for several weeks.
The first photographs should be here by summer.
That's very interesting.
We don't know a thing about Jupiter.
Very little.
It's about 1,500 times the size of Earth.
Now, what is interesting about Jupiter is one of the layers of atmosphere, and I know this is very hard for a lot of people to understand, including me, is made up of water.
That's right, water.
Just like the stuff comes out of your tap.
That is part of the atmosphere.
In fact, some speculate Jupiter may be nothing But many atmospheres.
It is possible that there might be life.
If there was going to be life, there would be life in the water portion of Jupiter's atmosphere.
Now, whether or not it got down that far in 75 minutes of parachute descent, I don't know.
But one would hope it did.
It came streaking in at about 100,000 miles an hour.
That's fast.
50 times the speed of a bullet.
And reached temperatures exceeding those on the surface of the Sun and yet survived, apparently, to send back information to us.
You've got to wonder if there is some life on Jupiter, what that life thought about what came down.
Maybe we just provided Jupiter's Saqaro crash or Roswell crash.
You'd have to wonder how any life there would view it.
At any rate, it will be weeks or months before we get all the information that we will have coming.
Fascinating.
Fascinating.
Abortion.
The Senate voted to ban rare late-term abortions, 54 to 44.
That is not veto proof, and the president will veto it.
And what he cites is the life of the mother.
And here I do agree.
It seems to me that if there is any justification for abortion ever, it is rape, incest, and the life of the mother.
Now, how can you outlaw a procedure designed to save the life of the mother?
It seems to me you cannot.
So, if this really is what the president is vetoing it for, I would agree with it.
And I am generally pro-life, but I mean, that's ridiculous.
You don't outlaw something that would guarantee the mother would die.
So, you know, you can't tell about words and how the president puts things and what's really in the bill.
But if that is the issue, I would tend to agree with that, certainly.
Then there is the continuing forever budget battle.
There was, as advertised, a seven-year so-called budget submitted by the president.
He says he can balance the budget in seven years, and he does it by protecting Medicare, Medicaid, education, the environment, and doesn't even raise taxes on working families.
Now, that's quite a feat if you can do it.
Trouble is, he hasn't done it.
Representative John Kasich, Republican budget chairman, said this is a tremendous disappointment, and quote, they'd better come back to the table in a hurry because, frankly, we're running out of time.
They've missed the mark by $400 billion minimum.
The White House is saying privately, officials at the White House, that the December 15th deadline to either budget or bust is impossible.
So at this moment, unless they talk and get it on, it looks like the government will close down just as U.S. troops en masse set foot in Bosnia, which is my next topic.
The deployment is picking up pace.
GIs from around the country, Germany, other areas in Europe, are moving toward Bosnia.
Airplanes are taking off.
Turns out the U.S., us, is going to get to patrol one of the bloodiest, most dangerous areas in Bosnia, an area called the Hasavina Corridor.
It is a pass, so named, a narrow pass, and it has been fought over with much blood spilled throughout the length of this war.
Thousands have died there.
It is a high location in the mountains, wet, cold, presently full of mud, defended from trenches.
NBC was there and continued to hear sniper fire.
Snipers continue their work there.
And we're going.
In Washington, one half fully of the U.S. House of Representatives, including about a dozen Democrats, endorsed a one-line letter to the President.
Simply said, quote, we urge you not to send ground troops to Bosnia.
That is the message from the House.
The President continues to insist.
He doesn't need congressional approval to send troops, and in fact, they're already on the way.
This from DJ in Phoenix, Dear Art, I just heard on the Bob Mohan show that's down on KFYI, that Clinton has promised U.S. ground troops to be deployed in the Golan Heights area in order to ensure peace between Israel and Syria.
Well, that'd be a good place to be in the Golan Heights.
Great place for U.S. troops.
So, this looks like it's going to be the new job, job one of the U.S. military.
And when they advertise be all you can be, I guess they mean peacekeepers.
Russian subs, did anybody see peace on Russian subs?
Holy mackerel.
Now, we were supposedly at peace with the Russians.
As a matter of fact, I believe Boris calls Bill his friend.
Now, the Cold War is supposedly over.
But for some reason, Russian subs, now ostensibly quieter than our subs, are Shadowing all kinds of U.S. assets.
Dangerously close.
We've got one Russian nuclear submarine off Bangor, Washington, right now, doing its spy work.
In June, near Georgia, Russian subs were seen patrolling very sensitive areas.
In late August, a Russian sub trailed the carrier America in the mid-Atlantic.
The carrier Lincoln had a very close brush with a Russian sub near Pearl Harbor in Hawaii.
And these are supposed to be our friends.
U.S. officials have demanded some sort of explanation.
It is not clear exactly what we're going to do if it is not forthcoming, but we have demanded.
From Scott in Butte Creek, if there was any doubt that a Cold War is still on, NBC's story tonight on the Russian subs ought to dispel it.
The Russian military and our own leaders know that the platonic relationship between our two nations is delicate at best.
The admirals on both sides know in reality they could be fighting each other in a heartbeat.
Not to train for that possibility would be a dereliction duty and just plain stupid.
The scary thing is that our government is acting surprised that the Russians are still preparing for battle with us.
That proves to me that we are more naive than I thought.
Scott.
Scott, I never doubted it for a second.
This administration, particularly, I believe, is rather naive.
And so, as I've said in the past, kind of tongue-in-cheek, but not really, we had better keep our plutonium dry.
That would be a modern twist on an old metaphor, I suppose.
Now, as you know, I read you a fax yesterday from Gordon Michael Scallion, who will be, I believe, on the show tomorrow night, assuming we're able to get through and do the interview schedule.
He sent another fax, and I thought I would relay it to you.
Art, many of your listeners called into our switchboard today concerning the state of my health.
I'm just tired from long hours of intuitive work spanning many years and had to cut back on my work schedule.
Thus, no 14 to 16 hour days or late evening interviews.
I'm sure with proper rest and balance, I'll do fine.
Appreciate everybody being concerned and well wishes.
Pass along my deepest appreciation to your listeners.
Blessings, Gordon Michael Scallion.
And he will be on the program, as you know, tomorrow night.
Now, I have received from at least a dozen sources a story from San Diego that might fit in here somewhere.
A world-renowned geophysicist in San Diego on a lecture tour was found slain, murdered in his room at a downtown hotel.
Professor Stanley Keith, I believe it is Runcorn, 73 years of age of Fairbanks, Alaska, suffered fatal injuries to his head and upper body at the San Diego Hotel on Broadway.
That's the San Diego Police Department reporting.
He was a pioneer in the theory of, get this, continental movement known as plate tectonics.
Now, the man was 73 years old.
So, you know, that's getting up there, and you can imagine he might die of one thing or another, but he didn't.
He was murdered.
Now, why would anybody, I wonder, want to murder a man who might arguably know more about plate tectonics and continental drift and movement than anybody on the face of the earth right now?
Why would anybody want to murder such a person?
Well, I just bet a few of you out there can imagine why.
I thought you ought to hear that story.
It certainly surprised me.
Well, I've got a little more, and then we'll do some open lines, and then we'll do an interview at the top of the hour.
Following that, it will go back to open lines, and we will do whatever you want to do.
Very quickly, the 10 top ways to know the quickening is out of control.
Let's see.
10.
A great place to surf the Fortuna tsunami.
9.
Gordon Michael Scallion becomes a travel agent.
8.
You keep using South America as your return address.
7.
Hailbop crashing into Earth seems like a darn good idea.
Ed in San Diego says, Art, it's a gun that costs between $25 and $100.
I guess you can only use it on Saturday night, huh?
Look, I know they're talking about cheap guns, small cheap guns, but I just don't see how you can declare something to be bannable based on a low price.
But that's what they're going to try to do in Hollywood.
Crazy.
They do a lot of crazy things in Hollywood, don't they?
All right, and then this from Ronald and Shuna.
Art, just think of it.
We can defend the Muslims in Bosnia and fight them in the Golan Heights.
Seems to be some equality there.
Question mark?
Have a nice day.
1320 super talk up in Salt Lake City.
So there you are.
What I'm going to do is get the lines open now.
Let's go ahead and do a little bit of a two-way talk.
And at midnight, we will explore the world of the psychic spy and find out, hopefully, what's really going on.
And I can actually only conclude that he's referring to one of those what-ifs.
You know, if a comet actually were headed toward Earth.
a lot of people confuse my words some of them unintentionally some of them intentionally i've never said that a comment But I never said that this one would.
I did a what-if to have a fun show.
And there are, of course, people who interpret that immediately as meaning Art said the comet's going to hit the Earth.
Well, he didn't, of course, but people will say what they will say for their own specific reasons.
Well, as long as I'm part of the power structure, it would be all right.
unidentified
It's always scared me, but the more I think about it, especially around topics like UFOs, it seems like for the planet Earth to take the next evolutionary jump, if you will, we've got to get away from nation states and become a and start thinking more in terms of a planet.
Yeah, and as long as they do, there will not be a one-world government, so you don't have anything to worry about.
But as I said, if there is, I want a high position.
unidentified
Where do you think the quickening, I mean, when you talk about all of these things like the quickening, what is your thoughts as to where it's leading?
You know, that's a very good question, and the honest answer is: I have no idea.
I am an observer.
I am not a prophet.
I am not a religious.
I don't come at it from a religious angle.
I don't think God's about to come down and rapture us all or part of us.
I have no idea, sir.
I leave that to all of you.
I simply observe the news, close in, close up, day in and day out for years and years and years, and I clearly see there is an acceleration.
unidentified
What are your major things that you're following?
I mean, we've been talking about, or you've been talking about earthquakes and geological movements lately, but more in terms of geopolitical developments.
We have a government right now about to go out of business again, shut down, because they cannot agree on how to balance the budget in seven years.
Now, if you look at the size of the debt and what the debt is going to do in terms of the debt service and the financial disaster that we're all headed for, that nobody even wants to talk about except Ross Pro briefly during presidential campaign.
He knows what's happening.
So do a lot of other people.
It is inevitable, and we're sitting here and arguing about a few dollars in the year 2002, one way or the other.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
So economically, we're headed off a cliff, and they're sitting here and arguing about virtual pennies in years.
unidentified
And the public is completely consumed with things like an OJ trial.
Dear Art, as you are aware, Japan's Kuria Islands were hit with a magnitude 8.0 earthquake this week.
How the hell do you pronounce those?
It ought to be Kurio Islands, I guess.
There was an 8-point earthquake.
He goes on, this is the first of four events I have predicted for the timeframe beginning December of 95.
And he did predict it, and you can check it in the Earth Changes Report of March of 95.
And it signals the beginning of my third four-quake scenario for the year.
Events will now progress quickly.
On Friday, December 8th, 1995, I'm going to be releasing a press and media update to this prophecy, including potential events I see occurring in the U.S. as part of this scenario.
I promise to keep you informed on any updates, and I will send you the latest release on Friday the 8th at 9 a.m. Eastern Time.
Means I'll get it at 6 o'clock in the morning.
I regret my health is such I cannot appear on your program due to its late airtime.
Five years of visions has taken its toll.
I can, if you wish, though, discuss the update For up to an hour with you by phone at 10 a.m. or 2 p.m. Eastern on the 8th, which, if appropriate for you and your listeners, could then be rebroadcast on your Friday night, Saturday morning show.
I do not wish to alarm anyone, but I sense we are close to major geological events occurring in the U.S. and elsewhere, since both of my earlier four-quake scenarios have occurred in sequence and on time, I can only assume the potential now exists, the complete four-quake scenario, which has just begun, may now occur.
Even if the percentages of such an event occurring were low, I would still feel that everyone in high-risk areas should be prepared.
No different than if a hurricane warning were posted.
I pray the visions I am seeing are wrong.
And if it should turn out to be so, those who prepared will be better prepared for when it does occur.
The scientific community and myself are no longer so far apart in our predictions.
The only difference between us is the time frame and extent of damage.
Sincerely, Gordon Michael Scallion.
So there you are.
That's it.
And I will do an interview with him in the morning.
Hopefully, everything goes okay.
And I will have that for you tomorrow night.
And I may combine it with about a 13 or 14 minute talk I had with Standalo last night.
go together, you will see very well indeed.
Music by Ben Thede All right, back to the phones east of the Rockies.
Well, when they first brought that out, they had some silly thing they put in there about that they could not import guns, handguns that is, if they were below a certain size.
If the height and length restrictions, in other words, if it wouldn't fit inside a, if it would fit inside a certain box, it was too easily concealed and therefore not considered particularly useful for sporting purposes.
But my point is, they're trying to pass a law here that will obviate another law.
If you have a law that says you can have a concealed weapon, but it's got to be big, then you can't conceal it.
unidentified
You know what one of the other perverse things that's happened from one of the recent laws we had, the Brady law and the magazine ban and things like that?
Yeah, so many of their arguments fall flat, and it would be hard to be on that side, to be an anti-gunner, to argue things that simply don't make sense.
And yet, sir, you really have to ask yourself, then how do they have so much success?
unidentified
Well, put it this way.
I read one study that said they figure with all the free editorials and articles that are written with an anti-gun slant, that it adds up to about a half a billion dollars in free advertising that the media generally donates is about what you're looking at.
It's like sugarcoating everything that our esteemed, quote, president says.
In other words, if they sugarcoat anything or slant it a certain way, to me that should count as a bias that we have no counterbalance for, and so consequently we're left with a little budget.
Did you realize that the one main group, Handgun Control Incorporated, collects more donations based on these lies they just continually use?
Well, maybe they're going to be depending on, remember the Supreme Court Justice on pornography, he said, well, I can't define it, but I know it when I see it.
Maybe that's what you end up with with the Saturday Night Special.
What an ugly little cheap little gun.
That's the Saturday Night Special.
unidentified
Well, here, a while back, I wrote a letter that I was intending to send to our local anti-gun newspaper, but it never did get sent.
But I did make some of the same points there.
And it pretty well, but it said that it had to do, let me see, where did I find it?
It had something to do with dangerously inappropriate military looks, for example.
It evolved, was passed to DIA in the mid-1980s, and ended up for about three or four months under the auspices of CIA, but only a shadow of its former self.
My job at very high levels of intelligence in the 19 and early 19, the early 1980s, about 1980, 81, was to orchestrate the penetration of high-value foreign intelligence projects and to wit foreign missile delivery systems, nuclear weapons systems, biological and chemical warfare programs to penetrate those and gather intelligence on them.
There were some of those targets that by hook or by crook using agents or satellites or special operations units.
Short of an act of war, I could not answer the mail, so to speak.
And so as a tactic of desperation, I turned to earlier CIA studies and to work that was being done by an operating U.S. Army unit using people, natural psychics.
Joe McMonagall, who you might have seen the other night on Nightline, was one of those naturals to help me solve problems or give me some type of a handle on the problems I was faced with.
I put together an effective operating force, but the unit, in fact, in its original primal form, was already operating in the late 1970s using naturals.
It evolved into something much more powerful later.
There are elements of Congress, certain congressmen who were involved in supporting the project, and the CIA itself, to avoid embarrassment, wanted to do some damage control.
I think that was one element.
I am not sure about that, about their agenda.
What I am sure about are two points that were erroneous.
Ted Koppel stated that or attempted to ascertain that the CIA statement of spending $11 to $20 million on the program was real.
That is not, in fact, correct.
Stargate, the remnants of the collection group, the intelligence collection group, that was a research project.
The $11 to $20 million that the CIA says it spent was not on operational, that is an intelligence collection element.
It was on research funds, research monies, an attempt to establish the validity of technical remote viewing.
That's my term.
That's what my company uses.
And not on intelligence collection.
That's one point.
Second point is that Stargate was only the last six months to two years of the program and only consisted of three remote viewers that worked for the government.
One, who I trained and was an excellent remote viewer.
The other two were naturals and they were simply tarot card readers that the agency found somewhere and that were essentially the concubines of a couple of congressmen.
The reason that those of us in Army intelligence in the 80s could not use natural psychics was that natural psychics, when they were on target, they were really on, the best of the best.
And there were about five or six of them in the United States.
But when they were off target, they were really off.
And it was that lack of consistency that disallowed them from being used on operations, in support of operations where deadly force would be used or where life or death situations prevailed.
One was a research side of the house that was out in the open.
That's the kind of thing that was being discussed by Keith Herary and Dale Graff the other night.
But there was another unit that was very, very secret.
And that was the unit for which I was operations officer and training officer.
We were actually the intelligence collectors.
We did not have to be politically correct, that is, to crunch numbers.
To validate the existence of the phenomenon in the eyes of the U.S. Army and people who own the project at DOD level, the research had to continue in order to justify the continued expenditure of funds for the operational element of which I led.
My company is now helping federal authorities find the unit bombers, and we'll be very successful at doing that.
That will be proof of the pudding.
But that came about from a lot of hard work on the part of U.S. Army officers and a brilliant discovery in 1983 by a man, Ingo Swan, a natural psychic who lives in New York City, who discovered a structured way of how the unconscious mind communicates with conscious awareness,
how to tap into the collective unconscious, if you will, sort of like an automated database, the same way one would search out a database.
How to allow the unconscious mind to do that and communicate to conscious awareness detailed, very accurate information while suppressing imagination, being able to train someone to distinguish between his or her imagination and the data that is associated with a target, a person, a place, a thing, or an event, and how to suppress one's propensity to analyze the data.
So we're downloading from collective unconscious raw perceptual information in a very structured way.
How does one, if there's a way to explain it, teach somebody with these powers to delineate between their own imagination and what is being remotely viewed?
That was part and parcel of the breakthrough discovery made by Ingo Swan the person who was a contractor the natural psychic who was contracted by the U.S. government the Army in this case that was part of his discovery at Stanford Research Institute in 1983 he had been there for a number of years and had been the guinea pig of the American Society for Parapsychological Research for many years and extremely gifted natural psychic who turned his attention
himself and said how am I doing this and was able to put together a model for how he himself as a naturally gifted psychic was communicating his unconscious to his conscious awareness when he put together this model which is a set of protocols behavioral protocols that I teach and that he taught me we're able to discriminate to teach ourselves how to distinguish imagination all the time from what we call the signal and
it's the data that's associated with our target so this is a discovery the signal is just a sort of a part of the overall noise level the signal is that little weak voice if you will that is associated with the target as opposed to our own background noise the day-to-day moment-to-moment conscious noise that that that we have you know in our conscious mind is there a way or you may not want to and I don't want to push into it but is there a way to briefly describe to us the methods
that methodology you use yes I'll give you an overview without going into it but the court the court of the nine-day very intensive course and so I'll skip a lot including lectures okay but basically we we acquire a target we are able to turn our our conscious attention and our unconscious mind to the target via a series of stages it takes about 20 minutes for us to go through as remote viewers
to go through these stages to a point where we can accurately begin to perceive correctly elements about a target a person place a thing or an event these stages are there are six stages each one is it is tantamount to increasingly increasingly greater target contact first of at first that we and and this is done in the state of of a high attention and it's not like the old days where we use altered states laid down in a bed in a dark room
right and sort of like a stream of consciousness uh protocol this is a structured the very structured technique the remote viewers sitting at a desk with a with a a ream of white paper in front of him or her and a pen and using these protocols they first perceive a target they're not told what the target is they're only given a random number their unconscious mind is taught to do all the work they perceive a target they perceive a target first as a gestalt of information kind of a thought
ball if you will
this is a little this is elaborated on the paper in a certain way the next stage is sensory perceptions where they are they elaborate they download they objectify in words and sketches the colors and textures the colors textures the smells and tastes the sounds the temperatures and the dimensions that are present at the site they write those words down and it's done in a fact and an order about four seconds think of a metronome in front of you where you're moving very rapidly writing down these percepts the next stage they do some that is
kinesthetic target
contact where they do some cursory sketching of the target next stage stage four is where they begin to make judgment about the data and write down things like uh people chairs meeting uh those kinds of things yes and uh and we and we can anyway we proceed along these using these protocols in a very structured manner where to the point where we can do accurate very accurate drawing distances directions
vectors of a target we can do clay models of a person a place a facility those kinds of things an object for instance right now we're modeling for a federal agency the next set of the uh...
bombs that the unabomber is making uh...
to use against those of the land while that kind of um...
that's what my company right i could doing now in the research outside that uh...
aware in any way that he or she is a target there have if if the target happens to be a natural like somebody that's very gifted a very gifted natural we all have this faculty it's innate it just has to be trained to be useful and there was no structure or grammar if you will until the discovery was made
remote viewer or a natural psychic happens to be the target then sometimes uh they can they are aware that they're being targeted but it it's it's fairly rare we go in the back door if our target is a person Saddam Hussein or Abu Nidal or a terrorist, we go in the back door, so to speak.
We can be in their mind, in their dreams, and they will never be consciously aware that they're being targeted.
Our Soviet counterparts, the KGB team known as the Extra Sensors, that was the Russian term, they attempted those kinds of things, mostly unsuccessfully.
They tried to stop hearts by experimenting with frogs, stopping frogs' hearts, and attempting to move up the ante.
But they were fairly unsuccessful.
We never attempted anything like that.
And as far as I know, we wouldn't be able to do it.
I would not engage in that kind of thing.
It's a passive act.
It collects information and downloads it very accurately.
But do you think that this ability, apparent innate ability in some, is something that we are coming to in the process of evolution or something that is long forgotten and simply being resurrected by people like you?
Well, I've been involved in a lot of very, very deep, dark, black projects in my career, and I have to say that I have never dealt or been assigned to a unit that has suffered more ostracism, more been looked upon with more fear, more jealousy than that unit that I was assigned to.
No matter how good we performed, there were others that senior officers, not just Army, senior civilian officials, who were scared to death by this.
They did not want to hear that it was true.
When the head of the Presidential Foreign Intelligence Board, the Pithiad, was briefed, he went sheet white and said, man should not know these things until he dies.
They're concentrated in the South Bend, Indiana area, as I have mentioned that publicly once, but the details, further details, we have to provide to law enforcement agencies.
What I'm looking for is someone who is going to use the skills, because I am not going to invest nine long, hard days of my time in someone who's not going to take this back and use it in their prospective discipline, whether that's medicine.
We train doctors, scientists, musicians, you name it, who we want to go back and use this in the profession to solve their own problems and to bootstrap their own disciplines.
Some of them have written books.
If you were to come to me as a natural psychic with that kind of a talent, I would first be leery that you had a big ego.
If your ego was such that you've been told how good you were for many years, I'm going to need to break that down because you have to start from square one with me.
Think of if I were an NBA scout and I saw some kid in an inner city who could run rings around his peers with a basketball.
If that kid was prepared to come with me and start from square one in a training camp, I know I can make an all-star out of him.
But if he's not, then I can't do anything with that.
Of the two possibilities, would you rather train the untrained and those who have a sort of latent ability that you can bring out, or would you rather have somebody already with a great power in this area come to you?
I've been training since 1983, and I think it's split down the middle, 50-50.
About half of the people I have trained who have become all-stars rather than just mere professionals said they had no psychic ability to speak of.
And it turns out that they did and didn't know it, and they were superb.
The other half were people who had natural psychic ability and knew it, but were willing to tow the line and submit to the training protocols, which are rigorous.
I think only that it changes the way you look at the world, and that does have certain ramifications.
It does not empower you, but when you reach a point in training where you can stick your heads metaphorically up above the cloud and see where you've been, where you're going, and your relationship to everything else around you for the first time, that is a fairly life-changing event.
A lot of science, research and development types of companies who are interested in solutions to technical problems or perhaps a new drug, vaccines, those kinds of things.
We actually had almost landed a project to look at the origin of AIDS.
Now, we have to be careful when we do something like this, too.
AIDS is both a disease and a virus.
So when you're searching the collective unconscious, the way that we do it in a very rigorous, systematic manner, if we are looking for the origin of the AIDS virus, we can go back 10,000, 40,000 years where it appeared to be a canine virus that jumped ship and became simian or monkey born.
But if we look for, if we just target the topical idea of AIDS, then we see a couple decades ago its beginnings as a pandemic.
So we have to be very careful about what we call queuing, those search terms.
I have had on my program and will have on tomorrow night somebody who claims great psychic powers and has documented them to a great degree, Gordon Michael Scallion.
He has predicted accurately weather cycles, volcanic action earlier in the year and in March a series of earthquakes that he now believes may be culminating in a very, very large series of earthquakes soon.
In your probing of the collective consciousness, do you run into anything like this?
In a general way, it appears that over the years we've looked at these just as an experiment, as a military team, and compiled results.
We perceive massive global weather changes that preclude growing crops.
The vicissitudes of these weather changes will preclude growing crops the way we normally do.
We'll no longer be in North America at least.
The crops will have to be grown in habitats that are controlled.
A tremendous problem with epidemics and pandemics diseases in third world countries, particularly because ozone, it appears that ozone, the ozone problem, is increasing the mutation rate, stressing the urban immune system, if you will, and causing microorganisms to mutate much faster than vaccines can be made to keep up with them, causing a lot of deaths.
We're perceiving a bovine AIDS that kills a lot of babies.
It's transmitted by somatropic growth hormone, the Dairyman's Association.
It's a needle that they use to inject this growth hormone to increase milk production.
That also will transmit this bovine AIDS that will not affect adults as much as infants who lack the immune system to handle it.
And actually the situation gets grimmer after that.
I am not a sensitive any more than anybody else, but I watch the news.
I've done this show, you know, news-oriented program for 11 years now, this particular program.
So every day I do homework and I watch the news.
And I have come to coin or use a word called the quickening.
I call it that.
Whether it's economic, political, social, in every single area of human endeavor, events appear to be accelerating toward I don't know what, but I can just feel it.
And so I've called it the quickening and it kind of gone on.
Do you feel what I feel?
To me, it's just the hair stands up on the back of my neck, the other shoe about to fall, kind of feeling the acceleration of events.
And he feels that the Earth, that the globe is in that sort of a modality now is accelerating out of control without the governor, and then it's going to go BAM.
As you look into the collective unconscious, I too share that half-empty glass of water view with you, by the way.
But I'm not sure what lies upon the other side.
I simply know that like the airplane halfway across the Pacific in the old days, the little red light saying point of no return, that's already on for humanity.
Oh, I think that our success on the Unibomber project will probably do that for us, although I thank you for the opportunity.
I have a training program where a very few select people a year are accepted into our Beverly Hills training office for nine days, an intensive one-on-one.
There's only one student per course, and we teach these skills to those students.
If there are any of your listeners who think that they might want to do that, they can communicate with me.
You're just about to find out why this program is the kind of program it is.
Hi, everybody.
I'm Art Bell.
For the last hour, we interviewed Major Ed Daines, U.S. Army retired.
He set up the U.S. Army's U.S. government spy psychic spy program, corrected, and went far beyond ABC's Nightline program of November 28th.
It's all about remote viewing and perhaps being inside the mind looking through the eyes of others.
That was last hour.
I just got a fax.
I'll read it to you.
Dear Mr. Bell, my name is Dr. Rod Lewis.
I am director of the Network for Scientific Intelligence and the editor and publisher of NSI's periodical, the CE Chronicles.
Two years ago, we published an expose on the government's use of psychics in intelligence operations.
The project has recently received national attention, is now known as Stargate.
We focused on the role of Major Ed Dames, president of the remote viewing company SciTech.
Major Dames was instrumental in the development of this program along with Colonel John Alexander, now head of the Non-Lethal Weapons Program at Los Alamos National Labs, and General Albert Stubblebein, former head of Army Intelligence Command.
As with most stories of this genre, what you are hearing is only the tip of the proverbial iceberg.
I have done a number of radio shows on the subject.
Would be happy to be a guest on yours.
And so without letting any grass grow under my tail end, I immediately phoned up Dr. Lewis.
He's on the line.
he'll be with us in a moment Now, we go to Houston, Texas, and Dr. Rod Lewis.
The information that has been brought forth before recently on the Stargate project.
Now, when we did our story, and let me just preface a little bit my history.
I am the director of an organization called the Network for Scientific Intelligence.
And basically what we do is we monitor what's generally called the black projects or gray projects.
And what Mr. Dames has been involved in, we have been tracking for the last two years.
And we did a expose about two years ago in our publication called The CE Chronicles, and it was all about remote viewing.
And we did get some attention.
It wasn't widely recognized and published as it is now.
But Tokyo Broadcasting did a complete series.
They were doing a television show based loosely on Howard Blum's book Out There, which he referred to a group of people called the Aviary.
And oddly enough, Dale Graff being one of them.
But to make a long story short, we picked up on this story and developed it and learned some very interesting things.
And generally what's being said, how this project Stargate is being characterized is fairly accurate, although there were many things that, for obvious reasons, Mr. Dames had left out that we have knowledge of.
Well, I find that very odd that they did name it Stargate because this was something, of course, that the movie didn't come out until two years ago or a year and a half ago.
And this was a project that was started back in the 70s, this remote viewing project.
But essentially, Stargate was the military, the DOP Department of Defense's version of what Mr. Dames has taken and is doing privately now, which is using psychics, natural psychics, and then training them to perform remote viewing.
And originally all the applications were of a military nature.
However, while they were performing the remote viewing exercises, they claimed that they were being blocked by external agents.
Now, I'm not sure exactly what that means, but they alluded to something to do with UFOs.
But let me just read something that we had quoted here in our article called The Aviary, the Aquarium, and Eschatology.
And for those who don't know what eschatology is, that's just a politically correct term for the end of the world, which apparently the National Security Establishment, for obvious reasons, is very interested in.
But anyway, we quote here.
He claims that SciTech has performed these projects to date.
Now, these are some of the projects that SciTech was engaged in.
He calls these things Enigma penetration, the Tunguska event, Enigma penetration, Soviet Phobos-2 spacecraft imaged anomaly that has to do with the Phobos-2 probe that went dead outside of Mars in orbit.
Projected technologies, advanced deep space propulsion systems, clandestine Iraqi biological weapons facilities, A relook at the KAL Flight 007 shootdown, atmospheric ozone depletion, projected consequences and remedial technologies, and the St. Exuperty crash site.
And we go on to say here that Mr. Daines also made statements regarding UFOs during a phone conversation with Dan Smith.
It says, remote viewing of many UFO events are blocked by an external agency.
It says UFO type, viewing encounters, two types of entities, aliens and angels.
Angels are, excuse me, aliens are more physical with quasi-physical type craft.
They are in trouble and need our resources, which they take.
And if humans are involved, they receive mental impressions to confuse what is really going on.
And this has to do with the alien abduction phenomenon.
Well, actually, of course, my background is virtually all research-oriented.
I did practice clinical dentistry for about 10 years, and I decided to take a one-year sabbatical to do some research and writing because I've always had a passion and a love for journalism, and I just kind of fell into this thing, and my life has never been the same as it.
Well, it appears that the National Security Establishment, and I'm talking about all the IA agencies, the CIA, the DIA, the rest of them, the Office of Naval Intelligence, et cetera, et cetera, believe it or not, are very interested in this, I guess as you term it, the quickenings.
Their reasoning for this is that it is the end of the world as a matter of national security, so they're very interested in what's coming up around the pike.
And if you look at what has happened over recent history, you see an inflection point right about 87, 88, 89.
You had the collapse of the Berlin Wall.
You had a complete change in strategic policy.
You've had a shift away from international strategic problems between the United States and the Soviet Union to a more cooperative environment.
And I think what happened is at that inflection point in 88 or 89, their models completely changed.
And this was partly due to a new view, and it has to do with what they call chaos theory.
And this was something that was promoted by James Glick in a book called Chaos, the Making of a New Science.
And this completely changed perceptions.
And I think what they learned through nonlinear dynamics and chaos theory is that we are rapidly approaching a point because of our presence and our activity on Earth, I'm talking about human activity, that we have upset the balance of things to such a degree that we are moving from stability to chaos.
And if you follow the theory of Gaia, Earth being sort of a conscious or living organism, that it behaves much like an organism does, and we are sort of parasites on a larger organism, and only parasites do one of two things.
They kill the host or they exist in a symbiotic relationship.
So if you look at human beings being about the size of viral particles to the Earth, we certainly are not in a symbiotic relationship, but that only leaves one conclusion, and perhaps the Earth may be having what you could call an immune reaction to our presence.
So I think this model, this concept of Gaia, has really got the National Security Establishment very concerned, and they're doing everything within their power to learn more about this phenomenon.
And I think that these things that we were seeing in terms of natural catastrophes, the possibility of the outbreaks of plagues, cometary impacts, there are just a number of things that I think they see as possible scenarios.
And they are getting ready as quickly as possible.
And that's where we're seeing a very radical shift in our military operations.
And there's much going on in terms of we hear about the Patriot movement, the militias being formed, and what they call the New World Order.
And these people are very concerned that, and how they're reading it, is that the military is preparing for some sort of major change and major takeover of the population of the United States in response possibly to some sort of cataclysm.
In other words, we have organizations like FEMA, which so many people fear.
But on the other hand, if there were a great natural catastrophe, if California popped off into the ocean along with a lot of the West or something of that order.
Well, what I had a hard time with, when people were discussing the New World Order, they alluded quite a bit to this was a plot by the Illuminati or the Bilderbergers or different select groups of people who were out to take the world over.
But my research indicates that this is more preemptive than anything, that they know something that we don't know.
Why in the middle of all the news about Bosnia would Ted Koppel take time out and talk about and reveal the government's involvement in this sort of thing and then sort of wrap it up by saying, well, we did, but we're not all that interested in it anymore.
We're turning it over to the private sector.
We're getting out of the biz, that sort of thing.
What motivations do you see for that program?
I mean, obviously, if it is as serious as you say, they're still very much into the thick of it.
Well, they can't unload it on us all at one time and just say, well, folks, we believe that California is literally going to slide off into the ocean.
Like you said, what are you going to do with 15 million people that would decide to evacuate California all at one time?
I think what's happening is, in fact, we've seen a number of shows recently.
Now, I catalog all these things, and I noticed in the past two years, there have been five shows about a cometary impact.
One was on The Simpsons, one was on Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman, one was on ancient prophecies, one was on sliders, and I think there was something on Nova.
So there's been quite a bit of information given.
Of course, they don't come out and say this is the way it's going to happen, but they certainly are desensitizing us to the idea of some sort of catastrophe that may be looming in the near future.
So that's only one possibility.
You know, we've seen movies, we've seen the movie Outbreak.
They talk about a massive plague being released of some type.
But yeah, it's interesting that you should mention that because we followed that story about the Nicaraguan outbreak, and they're not really sure what it is.
They haven't identified it yet.
But we have these hot spots around the world.
We have the Ebola virus in Zaire that popped up this past summer.
And there's just a lot of things I think they're really worried about.
And they're telling us about it in the form of books like Laurie Garrett's book, The Coming Plague, Richard Preston's book, The Hot Zone.
We saw the movie Outbreak.
And by the way, we have found that they alluded to this Operation Clean Sweep, which if there's any area of the United States that is biologically contaminated, they basically go with a bomb of some type.
It's not nuclear, but it's a fuel air bomb and wipe out.
And that is true.
We found that there is such a thing as Operation Clean Sweep.
And in fact, there is a department within the CIA, and I can't mention the person's name, but if anybody would like to speak with me about it, I can give you the person's name.
He is the Directorate of Science and Technology, and he is a member of this, what we call the aviary.
This is the...
Well, it's not an acronym for anything.
We just call them the Aviary because they all go by bird names.
And some of the members of this group are Bruce McAbee, and he is known as Seagull.
How Putoff, which is Owl.
Dale Graff, which is Raven.
Jack Verona, which we don't know what his bird name is.
Richard Doty, that's a familiar name from Lyndon Moulton Howell.
He's with AFOSI and met with Lyndon Moulton Howell at Kirtland Air Force Base.
His name is Falcon.
Christopher Green is Blue Jay.
Robert Collins is Condor.
Ernie Kellerhouse is Hawk.
Scott C.V. Jones is Chickadee.
And Bill Moore, we don't know his name either.
And John Alexander is Pelican.
And John Alexander, by the way, is also on the board of SciTech along with General Albert Stubblebein, who is the former head of NSCOM.
We're interviewing Dr. Rod Lewis, director of the Network for Scientific Intelligence and the editor and publisher of NSI's periodical, the CE Chronicles.
He's responding in part to an interview we did last hour, subject remote viewing, and we are continuing along with that.
Now, we may get the phone lines open this half hour, coming up shortly.
Well, as a matter of fact, we were just going to comment on that because Ed Dames, or Major Dames, used the term occult, and he said that this scared a lot of people.
And he also alluded to that he was able to train these natural psychics using very specific techniques.
Now, what we found was that these techniques are just a reconstitution of the black magic rituals used by Aleister Crowley.
Okay, but before you do, it's a non-trivial distinction.
In other words, black magic, the occult, the dark forces, to the people in the audience right now listening who are religious, and there are many, it is a non-trivial distinction.
Now, is it science or is it really the dark side?
And if it is the dark side, then the facts makes a good point.
Well, I think it's science that we don't understand.
And we're dealing with something, unfortunately, like Madame Curie, when she discovered radioactivity back in the 1800s.
Unfortunately, we did a lot of things with radiation we shouldn't have.
And we learned through a lot of trial and error how dangerous that can be because we don't understand the true nature of what we're working with.
And I think that's what we're dealing with here, is we're probably playing the part of the sorcerer's apprentice, and we may be dabbling in something that we don't have a full grasp and understanding of the gravity and the things that we are dealing with.
Well, it never has, and unfortunately, we pay a very high price for that type of error that people tend to engage in.
But what I wanted to read, again, was another quote from the article that we did called the Aviary of the Aquarium in Eschatology.
And this was something, a letter that a researcher by the name of Ray Boucher received from two workers out at Los Alamos National Laboratories that's working on this psychotronics research, and it has to do with psychec remote viewing and the rest of this.
He says, divulging this information was the result of a moral dilemma when these two individuals, both Christians, became alarmed that the course of their research efforts into psychotronic weapons was taking under the direction of their unnamed supervisors.
They described an obsessive effort to contact and attempt to control what they referred to as non-human intelligences, or NHIs, and to harness these NHIs for military and intelligence purposes.
We work very closely with the Stephen Aftergoods Federation of American Scientists, and we're very concerned about these new discoveries.
We believe we're on the brink of some major discoveries in the area, what they generally refer to as the new physics, which will give us a very good understanding of how parapsychological phenomenon work.
Unfortunately, it's being acquired and being implemented by the military establishment, much for untoward purposes, in my opinion.
Dear Mr. Bell and guest, I worked on the remote sensing project at UCSD, where they were working, looking at the neural networks to operate jet fighting equipment.
Does that sound like a project you've heard about?
What I'm wondering about is if alien beings or out-of-the-body entities are capable of getting into the picture, how do we know we're not being fed wrong information?
And that's part of the problem is that as Mr. Dames pointed out, these people aren't always correct.
And also, if you talk with people who claim to be victims of the alien abduction phenomenon, they are fed usually constant streams of information, particularly about eschatology or the end of the world.
And many of these events never come true.
So you're right, that there doesn't seem to be any consistency in the veracity of what people are being told as far as their communications or whatever they're engaged in.
Sure, and I'm always happy to discuss the matter with them.
And I don't have all the answers, right?
That's for sure.
I consider myself a relative newcomer to the field and sort of a novice at all this, but I certainly think there's a lot of things that we don't understand.
And certainly science does have a habit of changing rather drastically opinions about how things work.
One being for a number of years, I can remember as an elementary school student and a junior high school student, being told that the dinosaurs died because of climate changes, and this happened very slowly and over millions and millions of years.
And now we hear about the K-T event, which they think that perhaps what happened was a large impactor hit somewhere around the Yucatan Peninsula, and it was all over in a matter of days.
So science does have a habit of changing.
It's just a matter of pursuing it academically and not trying to get carried away into wild speculations, but using the scientific method and pursuing it that way.
What is interesting to me is, and I don't mind, I've been delving into these areas for years, and colleagues, other talk show hosts use it as a way to take shots at me.
I don't care.
But for somebody with strong academic credentials, I can understand that you might have reason to worry John Mack, Professor Mack, of course, because of his affiliation with the institution.
But still, today, things are changing, Doctor, and now we've got Nightline, and we've got a million programs and a million movies and a million mainstream media beginning to talk about all of this.
I think it's just a matter of the natural evolution of the scientific process.
And I think principally because of the computer that we're able to model a lot of things that we haven't been able to model before.
And I think this has been a wonderful instrument in terms of us being able to look into mathematical concepts, being able to look in sort of a multidimensional way.
The technology is there.
It's just that our knowledge is so far lacking because principally we're still rooted in this idea of a Newtonian universe.
And I think as we get further into the, quote, information age, we're going to completely rewrite history and we're going to have a totally different worldview.
I heard the original charter was to heat the ionosphere, not necessarily to produce weather changes, but to try and affect in some way the ionosphere or the way it reflects radio or whatever, and to look for underground tunnels and bunkers.
We're moving from that boundary of stability to the normal.
Actually, I think the normal situation is a sort of chaotic environment.
But the weather situation, if you go back as early as the late 1800s, we had a mini ice age in Europe.
In fact, in the United States, there was what they called the summer that never was, where we had basically no growing season.
So we just may be coming upon something that for a long period of time we had stability for the past 50 years, and now we're just moving back into a more normal pattern of variability.
When you refer to human beings in the way you did earlier, would you think that the process of acceleration we're now experiencing is a result of so many more human beings being on the planet, in other words, a function of numbers, or our behavior, or I'm reaching here, trying to come up with a reason for what seems to be occurring.
Optimally, the number of human beings on Earth has stayed within a narrow range of between 500 million and 1.5 billion.
And right around 1900, because of the introduction of antibiotics particularly, we had that logarithmic growth spiral in the human population, and now we're 5.5 billion people.
Now, in and of itself, that's not necessarily bad, although you begin to place tremendous strains on the resources of Earth.
If the powers that be, wherever they are, who cares, if they concluded through remote viewing or psychic abilities or whatever, that the end was coming, and the reason was because there are so many people on the planet, would they, in your estimation, take steps that would result in fewer people on the planet?
I believe they would, and I believe this has been a public policy established as early as 1962 with the Club of Rome's position, that there are just entirely too many people.
Art, the subject of remote viewing, is so fascinating.
I'm reminded of books by science fiction author Philip K. Dick, such as Ubik, where there were agencies which employed psy talents to foretell or change the future.
Other agencies employing anti-psi talents to nullify the psy talents.
Once again, it may be that science fiction may be becoming science fact.
Yet in this case, it seems awfully far out there, fascinating, yet, if what seems to be around the corner is true, somewhat scary as well.
Well, I think that he, well, not so much a filmmaker, I think, as he was hunting, he claims he was hunting footage of Elvis or some such when he ran into this fellow who had this footage.
Two years ago, there was a meeting in Creston, Colorado, which was attended by 50 people.
I was contacted by a person very high up in the UFO community.
This was two years ago, that they were in possession of a body.
And the question was, well, what type of body are you talking about?
Are you talking about extraterrestrial?
They said, no.
I said, are you talking about non-human?
They said, yes.
I said, well, is it from, is it terrestrial?
And they said, yes.
I said, well, who has it?
They said, the Russians.
In fact, they have a whole locker full of them.
And apparently, this was part of an ongoing genetics experiment that was being done by the Russians under the auspices of the Russian government for approximately 50 years.
And they had a whole locker full of these bodies, and they were selling them to raise hard currency for, I think the number that was quoted to me was a million dollars.
Well, go back to the Brookings Institute study back in 1959.
Basically, they said if you want to manipulate the psyche of any group of people, introduce them to a concept that's totally foreign, such as if, let's say, you have a group of Aborigines, you go in and you show them high technology and they think it's magic.
And that way you can control and manipulate a society.
You have to remember that we have a film, a tape of a show called The Outer Limits that was done back in the 1950s.
Doctor, I was wondering if you're familiar with the Clear Lake, Nassau Bay area here.
Yes.
Do you know of any remote viewing or psychic activity being used since we got all the major players?
And, you know, it's a shame KTRH dropped this at 4 o'clock so everybody, they could possibly get some use out of this, not going to be able to hear it.
Well, there's evidence that the DuPont Corporation had sent some of its top executives to Robert Monroe and the Monroe Institute, which was doing something similar to Ed Dames, but using out-of-body astral projection techniques.
Again, you know, there was an article in the Wall Street Journal about the Monroe Institute, and he uses a device called the Hemisync to induce an out-of-body experience.
And some of his clients, I believe the Department of Defense sent a number of people there, including John Alexander, to learn how to do out-of-body experiences.
Plus, like I said, top executives from DuPont Corporation.
In fact, Stan Friedman on Larry King's Area 51 special, he said, quote, the government spends $34 billion a year on black projects, half of which are going into, quote, psychological research, aka parapsychological research.
We study the nature of intelligence, and I focused specifically in trying to simulate intelligence with computers and neural nets and things like that.
And so learn about intelligence.
Now, our basic perspective on the whole department came from a perspective of this telepathy and these things generally that there is no evidence for anything transmitting that couldn't be transmitted via some physical medium of some sort,
be it air or some sort of physical medium.
And air being like sound or light with visual and all sorts of other cues.
Now, my fiancé is extremely perceptive, and she and I, we're getting married on New Year's Eve, by the way.
She and I can, we've gotten to be really good at telling a lot of things and basically kind of reading each other's mind, but we don't call that reading each other's minds.
Well, my point is I'm really interested in how could you I'm very open, I'm really curious about this stuff, how could you convince somebody with hard science in terms of double blind studies, research results available,
say, on the Internet or wherever else, that we could look at data that could support in terms of the nature of the studies and the science behind it all to convince somebody at UCSD that this is not like my fiancé and I reading each other's minds when we just know each other really well.
I mean, there's no dearth of hard data suggesting that this type of phenomenon exists.
In fact, the doctor who was the co-author of Stargate, I forgot her last name, it starts with the U, but she's a statistician, and she said that there's overwhelming statistical information or statistical data that this exists, this phenomenon exists.
I think it's just that there are very many people that are threatened by the idea that it would put an end, a premature end to their careers, especially all those people that are grounded in Newtonian physics.
It's not unlike the psychiatry field where for years and years they had the psychoanalytic view and now we have a bio-behavioral view.
And yeah, the essence of it was there was an advanced civilization called the Krill, and they were able to command an energy force with their consciousness.
Unfortunately, what happened was it began to read their id.
Well, I'm talking about the work at Los Alamos Laboratories and their attempt to contact what they term non-human intelligences for military and intelligence purposes.
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I have a friend who's a Native American medicine man, and he told me about a lot of what you're talking about.
Well, I don't think that's where they want to go with this.
I think they're using it, in fact, in the intelligence communities.
I think the purpose of this is to use it as sort of a screening technique.
In other words, if their viewers have certain impressions of certain events that are about to happen or have happened, then they can follow that up with hard intelligence.
In other words, they can use their satellites or whatever intelligence techniques they use.
Yes, in fact, that's one of the things that we pointed out that what they call enigma penetration is one of the designs that they use where they go back and they look at past events like the Tunguska event to see what happened.
So yes, it's not only something that is used across space, but it's also used across time.
Art, as you know, many of our military contractors are California-based companies.
Could you please ask your guest if he has any knowledge of their concerns or strategic concerns in planning by the U.S. military in the event of a catastrophic event on the West Coast?
Well, unfortunately, I think most of them are probably not aware because they are operating on a need-to-know basis.
And basically, in intelligence parlance or military parlance, that just means we tell you what you need to know to do your job.
So I think they're pretty ignorant as far as actually knowing what's going on.
Now, the people who do know, of course we have this thing called continuity of government and these underground facilities that basically honeycomb the desert southwest.
And we hear about things like the chaos hum and these different phenomena in Area 51.
And I think in case of a national emergency, like a cataclysm of some type, that they have these underground tunnels, they have air freight, they have ways to move most of the really important personnel and really important, quote, stuff to these safe areas.
He moved from Albuquerque, from what I understand, to California.
And I believe he's in Beverly Hills someplace.
He has an office for SciTech.
I can't say what his motivation is.
Maybe he believes that whatever is going to happen, he may have enough forewarning to take a quick vacation, or perhaps his particular area might not be affected.
Or perhaps something else will happen where he will be basically made immune to whatever is going on.
What bothers me about what you've said, what the major has said, Gordon Michael Scallion, Stan Deo, I could run through a whole litany, a whole list of people, is that all of you are saying roughly the same thing, coming at it from different directions, some scientific, some psychic, some pseudoscience, but all of you seem to be delivering approximately the same message, even the Hopey Indians.
So, yeah, that's very interesting that science should meet ancient religion at a point.
We can make a lot of scientific arguments for what we think may happen in the future.
Of course, this has been prophesied not only by indigenous peoples to the United States, but also in the Judeo-Christian Bible.
And that's something, again, that the intelligence community or the National Security Establishment is very, very concerned about is this fundamentalist perception that we are entering an end time.
And a lot of people are even talking about things like the mark of the beast and the Antichrist and things of that nature.
What makes this very interesting is that just the belief that people, if they believe it strong enough, it's almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Perhaps they will actually make it happen in an unwitting way, but they'll Nevertheless, make it happen because of their strong belief in it.
And I think this is a tremendous concern.
But there is a lot of anecdotal evidence that, just from a scientific standpoint, talking about ecology, that our days may be compromised, may be numbered.
Yeah, what if Oswald was in the theater when Kennedy was assassinated?
In other words, he was set up.
Two, wasn't there a movie called released, not this Halloween, but last Halloween, called Without Warning, where three asteroids come down strike your face.
Okay, now the most interesting part to that whole thing, because it mixed everything we're talking about, Art, it mixed the possibility of Earth encountering asteroids.
Also, did you notice in one part, you have the scientist that rushes over to the Department of Defense and he's talking to these people saying, no, don't send the F-16s after these people.
What if this had been Muhammad or Buddha or Jesus?
That makes one wonder what point are they trying to make?
Obviously, the Waco thing was based almost entirely around David Koresh's belief that this was fulfillment of the book of Revelation.
And you have this group over in Japan that was allegedly responsible for the gas attack, and it has end time themes.
There was an article recently written in Atlantic Monthly by Robert Kaplan called Apocalypse Soon, which talks about the government's concern of different millennialist groups.
There's something like 1,500 millennialist groups in the United States.
Now, if they all get a whim at one time, let's say as we approach 2,000, to do something, no telling what could happen.
You may have total disruption of society as we know it.
And that's what I was saying before, that maybe if we have a belief, we may be actually creating that reality.
And one of your callers earlier said something about a collapse of space-time and dimension.
And this is a theory that has been proposed by a number of people, both contemporaries and historically, that basically our view of the world, I mean, reality exists because we do, and that we definitely have an influence on a reality and our belief system may be leading us to a collapse in our current view and reality of the world.
I had a guest last Sunday on my Dreamland program, Moira Tims.
And she actually, she got angry, or on the edge of anger.
She said, there was on that night the report of an eight-point earthquake north of Japan, very, very large earthquake.
And I reported it, and she said, why are you telling people that?
And I said, well, because it's news.
I said, we only have about one a year of these, right?
And of course, this is in the predicted cycle of Gordon scallions.
And so I said that, and she said, yes, but that will put people in a mode of thinking that will drive what becomes the reality, which is exactly what we're talking about right now.
And again, I think this is what there's kind of a Manhattan project going on right now at Los Alamos National Laboratories, as we discussed, and it has to do with parapsychology.
And I think this is one thing that they are very concerned about, is that if the belief system becomes so prevalent and so dominant, that this may actually lead to the reality that we're fearing.
One interesting note, Art, is I've talked to a number of people that talk about time seems to be compressed, time flying by.
Now, I know people have said, you know, as you get older, time does go by faster.
Certainly, kids today have a very nihilistic view of the world.
It's almost very frightening because they perceive that they don't have a future.
And I think what you're seeing manifested in things like body piercing, self-mutilation, drug abuse, a lot of the societal problems that we're seeing in kids today, there seems to be a rather dearth of hope.
I think what's very telling about our society or the state of mind we're in is watch kids' cartoons.
And I remember, I don't know how old you are, but I grew up in the 50s, and I can remember things like Howdy Duty and fun kind of stuff.
But now it's almost all very post-apocalyptic.
There's a lot of post-apocalyptic themes that the world is subjugated, that it's not a very pleasant place to live, and there's just this theme of despair.
I don't know if you can answer this or not, but I wonder if you can elaborate more on the non-human intelligence that the government was trying to contact.
Now, of course, the immediate speculation is they're probably dealing with some sort of something in what we call the demonic realm, which if you look at the word demon, that's just a Greek word for disembodied intelligence.
It doesn't really connotate anything evil.
It's just a disembodied intelligence.
But there appears to be some things out there.
We have no idea what we're dealing with.
And apparently, it's something that they take very seriously.
And unfortunately, they're trying to use it again for military and defense purposes.
The study of eschatology is just the study of the end time.
And it's usually referred to or related to Judeo-Christian prophecy based on the book of Revelation, but a lot of people apply it to any type of ancient prophecy, whether it be Hopi Indian or Muslim or Shintu or whatever.
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And how glad I am to hear you mention some of the Native Americans here, because some of the things I've found in archaeology around this area of the world where I live seem to match up with other things from other religions and plateaus of where people had societies, if you will.
And I think that there is a correlation between the way people have understood things in our recent history as far as societies go, some of the religions even match up, to some of the things that you and other of Art's guests have talked about.