December 5, 1995’s Coast to Coast AM features Art Bell dissecting U.S. troop deployments in Bosnia (30K–40K unofficially), Clinton’s Vietnam-era draft deferral letter, and a Kalamazoo baby revived after 3.75 hours—doctors called it a miracle, skeptics debated divine or quantum explanations. Callers speculated on "one-world government" conspiracies, government death clinics, and weather anomalies like Alaska’s 22°F cold with no snow, while Bell dismissed tariff claims, praised radio’s intimacy over TV, and declared the baby’s "immortal gene" theory the most intriguing event of the year. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, good evening, or in more cases than not, good morning, and welcome to another edition of the best in live overnight talk video.
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Actually, I think the biggest two, we're picking up a couple more.
We're going to call here in Colorado Springs in a big way.
Let's talk about that one.
We're totally 241 billions stretching from the media in the Hawaiian Islands all the way to the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north to the Pole.
Bosnia, troops and supplies really are moving very quickly now toward an area laden with about 6,000 landmines.
In Fortsville, Oklahoma, troops are beginning to get inoculations.
Making out wills.
That is the group that goes to diffuse bombs.
They're going to be busy, busy, busy people.
Now, I told you, I told you the BBC will tell you things that you don't hear elsewhere, and the BBC is reporting that the U.S. has far more troops on the ground now than the U.S. is actually reporting.
We now admit, by the way, you tell me, but it's somewhere between 30 and 40,000 troops that will be in and around Bosnia by mid-December, 30,000 to 40,000.
Now, you know, these are not minor differences.
In other words, we talked about 20,000 troops, right?
Now it's 30,000, or if you want to include support troops, it's up around 40,000.
30,000.
This is already, you know, it's mission creep.
Well, not really mission.
It's troop creep.
But in a way, that is certainly mission creep, isn't it?
General Norman Schwarzkopf of Desert Storm fame apparently is going to be doing assessments for NBC.
They probably have hired him.
And yesterday he said, my concern is, you know, our military now is 30% smaller than during Desert Storm.
Now, that's a third, almost a third smaller.
He said, if we get deeper and deeper into Bosnia, what's going to happen if Kim Il-sung decides to come roaring across the DMZ in Korea or Saddam makes a move?
It is a valid question, he said, to ask whether we could handle it.
Think about that.
He said, I heard the president say one of the things that guarantees that it's going to be a safe operation, Bosnia, is that we are so well armed.
To which the general said, I should like to remind you, we were also well armed in Vietnam.
You know how many casualties we took.
And he cautioned, this whole thing may not go at all the way we expect.
The president speaking today stressed the compassionate angle of the Bosnian incursion.
Presidents Ford and Bush both gave their support.
Senator Dole, stumbling a little bit, was going to have a vote, wanted to have a vote, actually, to support the president in the Senate.
But uh-oh, he doesn't have the votes, so he has delayed that vote until next week.
Dole also wants an exit strategy that includes arming the Bosnians.
Our president, Clinton, still opposes arming the Bosnians.
So in other words, on exit, the president would like to leave the Bosnians in their present military condition.
Now think about that.
That means we leave and the Serbs get to slaughter again?
And this is something that I bet many of you or most of you have never heard.
Some of you will have heard it.
And I think this morning it is appropriate that you do hear it.
This is a letter written by Bill Clinton.
It was published in the press when he was governor of Arkansas and a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination.
It was written to Colonel Eugene Holmes, Director of the Reserve Officers Training Corps at the University of Arkansas on December 3rd, 1969.
Now this is our president speaking.
I'm sorry to be so long in writing.
I know I promise to let you hear from me at least once a month.
And from now on you will.
But I've had to have some time to think about this first letter almost daily since my return to England to resume my studies at Oxford University.
I've thought about writing about what I ought to say.
First, I want to thank you just for saving me from the draft, but also for being so kind and decent to me last summer when I Was as low as I've ever been.
One thing that made the bond we struck in good faith somewhat palatable to me was my high regard for you personally, in retrospect.
It seems that the admiration might not have been mutual had you known a little more about me, my political beliefs and activities.
At least you might have thought me more fit for the draft than the ROTC.
Let me try to explain.
As you know, I worked for two years in a very minor position on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
I did it for the experience and the salary, but also the opportunity, however small, of working every day against a war I opposed and despised.
The depth of feeling I had reserved solely for racism in America before Vietnam.
I did not take the matter lightly, but studied it carefully.
And there was a time when not very many people had more information about Vietnam at hand than I did.
I've written and spoken and marched against the war.
One of the national organizers of the Vietnam moratorium is a close friend of mine.
After I left Arkansas last summer, I went to Washington to work in the national headquarters of the moratorium, then to England to organize the Americans here for demonstrations October 15th and November 16th.
Interlocked with the war is draft, is the draft issue, which I did not begin to consider separately until early 1968.
For a law seminar at Georgetown, I wrote a paper on the legal arguments for and against allowing within the selective service system, the classification of selective conscientious objection, for those opposed to participation in a particular war, not simply to participation in war in any form.
From my work, I came to believe the draft system itself is illegitimate.
No government really rooted in limited parliamentary democracy should have the power to make its citizens fight and kill and die in a war they may oppose.
A war which even possibly may be wrong.
A war which, in any case, does not involve immediately the peace and freedom of the nation.
Let me repeat that line of our president's.
A war which, in any case, does not involve immediately the peace and freedom of the nation.
The draft was justified in World War II because the life of the people collectively was at stake.
Individuals had to fight.
If the nation was to survive for the lives of their countrymen and their way of life, Vietnam is no such case.
Nor was Korea.
An example where, in my opinion, certain military action was justified, but the draft wasn't, for the reasons stated above.
Because of my opposition to the draft and the war, I am in great sympathy with those who are not willing to fight, kill, and maybe die for their country.
In other words, the particular policy of a particular government right or wrong.
Two of my friends at Oxford are conscientious objectors.
I wrote a letter of recommendation for one of them to the Mississippi Draft Board, a letter which I am more proud of than anything I ever wrote at Oxford last year.
One of my roommates at Oxford University is a draft resistor who is possibly under indictment, may never be able to go home again.
He's one of the bravest men I know.
His country needs men like him more than they know.
That he is considered a criminal is an obscenity.
The decision not to be a register resistor, I'm sorry, and the related subsequent decisions were the most difficult of my life.
I decided to accept the draft in spite of my beliefs for one reason.
To maintain my political viability within the system.
For years, I've worked to prepare myself for a political life.
Characterized by both political, practical ability, concern for rapid social progress, it is a life I still feel compelled to try to lead.
I don't think our system of government is, by definition, corrupt.
However, dangerous and inadequate it may have been in recent years, the society may be corrupt, but that is not the same thing.
And if that is true, we are all finished anyway.
Now, when the draft came, despite political convictions, I was having a hard time facing the prospect of fighting a war that I had been fighting against.
That's why I contacted you.
ROTC was the only way left in which I could possibly, but not positively, avoid both Vietnam and resistance.
Going on with my education, even coming back to Oxford, played no part in my decision to join ROTC.
I'm back here and would have been at Arkansas Law School because there's nothing else I can do.
In fact, I'd like to have been able to take a year out, perhaps, to teach in a small college or work on some community action project and, in the process, decide whether to attend law school or graduate school and how to begin putting what I have learned to use.
But the particulars of my personal life are not nearly as important to me as the principles involved.
After I signed the ROTC letter of intent, I began to wonder whether the compromise I had made with myself was not more objectionable than the draft would have been, since I had no interest in the ROTC program in itself.
And all I seemed to have done was to protect myself from physical harm.
Also, I began to think I had deceived you, not by lies, there were none, but by failing to tell you all the things I'm writing now.
I doubt I had the mental coherence to articulate them Then.
At that time, after we had made our agreement and you had sent my 1D deferment to the draft board, the anguish and loss of my self-regard and self-confidence really set in.
I hardly slept for weeks and was kept going by eating compulsively and reading until exhaustion brought sleep.
Finally, on September 12th, I stayed up all night writing a letter to the chairman of my draft board, saying basically what is in the preceding paragraph, thanking him for trying to help in a case where he really couldn't, stating that I couldn't do the ROTC after all, and would he please draft me as soon as possible.
Well, I never mailed that letter, but I did carry it on me every day until I got on a plane to return to England.
I didn't mail the letter because I didn't see in the end how my going into the Army and maybe going to Vietnam would achieve anything except a feeling that I had punished myself and gotten what I deserved.
So I came back to England to try to make something of this second year of my Rhodes Scholarship.
And that is where I am now, writing to you because you have been good to me and have a right to know what I think and feel.
I'm writing to you too in the hope that my telling you this story will help you understand more clearly how so many people have come to find themselves loving their country but loathing the military to which you and other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best service you could give.
To many of us, it is no longer clear what is service and what is disservice.
Or if it is clear, the conclusion is likely to be illegal.
Forgive the length of this letter.
There was much to say.
There is still a lot to be said, but it can wait.
Please say hello to Colonel Jones for me.
Merry Christmas.
Sincerely, Bill Clinton.
Now, I've never read that whole thing on the air before, but I thought somehow, I don't even want to say on the eve of the deployment, because it really has begun, again around Christmas time, we should try and understand the man who is now sending men and women in America squarely into harm's way, if you want to believe what Norman Schwarzkopf had to say.
And I think it helps you to understand the man who wrote that letter.
kind of a bonding experience that occurs between a mother and her dead infant and the hospital there allows the mother to hold the dead child and sort of bond with it you know some sort of
And to become acquainted with a baby she will never see grow up well, this child turned totally purple, stopped breathing, for three and a quarter hours.
In other words, it was really dead.
The mother was holding the child, and it was three and a quarter hours later, and suddenly there was a gasping sound.
The doctors and nurses standing nearby totally freaked out.
They grabbed the baby from the grieving mother, put it on life support, and as of right now, it's doing fine.
They have no idea, nor can they for a while, whether there is any brain damage.
Now, I don't know what word you would use to describe this, but the one I don't hesitate to use is miracle.
What other possible explanation could there be for why nobody?
Nobody dies for over three hours and Comes back and if you think that's even remotely possible, then we should worry that we are burying a lot of people alive, cremating them, beginning to process them for burial.
I have never in all of my born days seen such a story.
But I guarantee you, in good faith, I just relayed the details to you as given by CNN.
Now, my word is miracle.
If you have another word you would use to describe that story, I would like to hear it.
How do you react to that?
How could that happen in this world?
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You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from December 5, 1995.
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Coast to Coast AM from December 5, 1995.
5, 1995.
Coast to Coast AM from December 5, 1995.
You're listening to Arch Bell somewhere in time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from December 5th, 1995.
A new Gallup poll out says 49% of all Americans, that's half, are having trouble sleeping.
That's as of 1995 and up from 36% in 1991.
They attribute it to job, stress-related sort of stuff.
So half the American people are having trouble sleeping.
And I bet a bunch of them listen to this program.
So I guess that's good for me.
Bad for you.
I don't know.
All right, I have some quickening news.
This is from Reuters a few moments ago.
A growing dome of lava in Montserrat's rumbling volcano threatens to send rock slides and lava flows down the mountain's eastern flank.
According to the governor of the Caribbean island Tuesday, about 4,000 residents of the tiny British colony remained out of their homes on the south end as a result of the second major evacuation since seismic activity began to erupt in the Chances Peak Volcano in July.
The governor there, in a phone conversation from Massora, told Reuters that scientists reported an increase in volcanic activity overnight, and two lava domes appeared to be merging, heightening the threat that the crater would begin to crumble.
The chances peak is full of cracks now, Savage said.
Bits of rock will start to fall off the dome, which will produce rock slides or flows.
A lot of the existing structure is going to come down.
Also, this one just in.
There has been a six-point, let me get it straight, four earthquake in Indonesia, six point four magnitude in Indonesia.
And while it is not of the eight-point variety, it does follow in the pattern that we are now becoming so familiar with.
I thought you might be interested in this from Australia down in Standeo country.
First, this, by the way, is their new service from Sydney.
First, the horses lost their appetite.
Then they began to twitch.
That turned into convulsions.
The animals flailing in their stalls.
Within two weeks, their lungs hemorrhaged, and they drowned in their own blood, which gushed from their mouths and nostrils.
Then the disease, a new one apparently, struck the horses' handlers, eating holes in their lungs until they choked to death.
So we may have, we're waiting to see, yet another new weird hemorrhagic type of virus on our hands.
They're trying to find out.
This from Dan in Pacifica.
Art today, California had three quakes, all just around the three magnitude range, one off the coast of Eureka, the other in Sonoma County, and the other in Palm Springs.
If you draw a line beginning in the north and terminating in the south, it matches Gordon Scallion's predicted earthquake line for multiple large quakes.
Just thought I'd drop that in.
Well, okay, I've got a lot more here, but I will hold it.
That ought to be sufficient.
I thought a kind of a profile on the president at this point during those years when he faced the possibility of having to do what he is now going to order men and women in America to do.
I thought it was appropriate.
Doc Berry hated it and said, gee, can't you come up with anything that's new?
And so I know that I must have hit the nail right on the head when Doc Berry scratches off a fax, a fast, angry fax.
I know that it hit the nail right on the head.
I use Doc just like a barometer.
Thanks, Doc.
So, we begin under a full moon.
Are you ready?
We don't screen calls.
We don't know what you want to talk about.
I have no idea what you want to talk about.
As a matter of fact, it is up to you.
First-time callers to the program.
Virgins.
Should I say virgins and first-time callers?
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The wildcard direct dial lines are Area Code 702-727-1295.
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Anywhere east of the Rockies, way out east, it's 1-800-825-5033.
I mean, everybody's up there talking about Michael New.
I think you're wrong in the fact Michael New is a great national hero, but I think you did raise a good point about treaty power and the fact that we did ratify the UN Treaty, and that dilutes our Constitution.
What we did, we don't actually have a treaty with the UN.
What we have is a treaty with member nations of the UN, Anthony.
And what I have said for so long and will continue saying again and again and again is that Michael New has disobeyed a lawful legal order.
And the way to protest that, if you don't want any involvement in the UN, is to put pressure on our politicians to withdraw, either from the UN or from the treaties that we have signed, not to join the military, hold your hand up, and swear to obey lawfully given orders, and then not do so.
No, no, no, no.
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Maybe you have that right, but I'm going to let you go, and I just want to say hi to Jeremiah.
I believe that if you put your mind to something, if you believe in something hard enough, be it religion, be it your lucky coin, I believe anything's possible.
And I'm struggling to try to put some good music out, especially on the caliber of some of the people that you play, with that you endorse and so far, and so forth and so on.
Well, I've thought the same thing, and maybe the answer is, sir, they're just cranking HAARP up now, and they're at low power levels, and they need to get it going.
So maybe they're not ready to use it yet.
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Okay, that could be so.
That could be.
The other one is about that baby.
I'm wondering if, since I do believe in walk-ins, if that child might be a walk-in now, and if it is, that's one heck of a strong walk-in.
Because they felt later on, the military or any government agency or police department would be able to get access to it.
And later on using that to incriminate them in any way as far as them being criminals, or not so far as saying they're criminals, but to commit them to certain...
For those of you who've been getting infected by this music, it is very infectious.
Okay, what are we talking about?
Well, we're talking about Bosnia, of course.
Norman Schwarzkopf was on NBC yesterday with some pretty frightening words about the reduction already in the military and what's going to happen if we get involved in Bosnia, which we are, at already troop levels that are increasing beyond what they told us.
And then he said if somebody should come racing across the DMZ in Korea where Saddam acts up, we could be in trouble.
And Bob Dole has put off the vote on Bosnia because he doesn't have the votes until next week trying to twist some more arms.
Bob Dole needs to twist some more arms, get people over on the Prez's side.
I took the trouble in the first hour, and you may rehear it if you get the first hour repeated, to read the letter that Bill Clinton wrote.
I thought it was an appropriate time to do it.
When he was wiggling out of military service himself.
And I think it is very revealing of the man who now orders so many into harm's way.
Good time.
So I hope you heard that.
If not, catch the first hour in repeat.
The other thing we're talking about is the baby in Kalamazoo, Michigan.
Premature, dead.
Purple.
Not breathing.
No brain waves.
Declared officially dead by the doctors.
They've got a special program there where mothers who have wasborn preenie and mothers who have dead babies are allowed to hold them for hours.
It allows them to bond with the child and perhaps reduce the psychological damage to the mother from what happened.
Three and a quarter hours later, doctors and nurses were standing around.
This is a story, by the way, ran on CNN At 9 p.m. Pacific time last night.
Probably is still running.
The doctors and nurses themselves gasped, ran over, grabbed the child from the dead child, now gasping for breath from its mother's arms.
And last word was, it's doing fine.
They don't know whether there is any brain damage.
They don't know anything.
How could they?
This child was dark purple.
No signs of life for three and a quarter hours.
what is the word you use for that well that has provoked a lot of talk a lot of taxes and i'll read you a few of the faxes that i've That's the only word.
A miracle in Kalamazoo.
Dear Art, about the baby.
Do you think this child is perhaps an immortal?
This is the second child reported like this.
The other, unless it is the same, was born still.
Also came back to life after many hours.
From J.A. listening to KSTP in Minneapolis.
Another facts.
Art.
The population of immortals on this earth has just increased by one.
Unsigned.
This one, art.
No, it was not a miracle the child survived.
Almost anything is possible, except God, of course.
People are too quick to assign these kind of matters to religion.
Just calm down.
The child was simply very, very lucky.
Signed, Mark the Atheist in Louisiana.
So that'll give you a little bit of a sense of what we've been talking about with regard to Mr. Clinton and particularly Bosnia.
Scott writes, and I thought this is just absolutely right on target art.
Clinton refusing to arm the Bosnians.
And let me preface this by telling you that Bob Dole wants to, as part of an exit strategy, whatever that might be, wants to arm the Bosnians.
President Clinton still will not do it.
And so part of the authorization of the money or the support resolution the Senate is going to try to pass, if Bob Dole can twist enough arms, is going to include an exit strategy that would arm the Bosnians.
Only Clinton doesn't want to do it.
And Scott writes, Art Clinton refusing to arm the Bosnians when we pull out is kind of like bailing the water out of a sinking boat, but not patching the hole.
Clinton's letter would be humorous, were it not so pathetic.
It proves his ability to rationalize his morality started at a very young age.
A man that can talk about Vietnam the way he did and do what he is doing now with regard to our troops is the perfect definition of a hypocrite.
And about the baby, no matter what happens, the scientific community is going to explain it away as poor medical care.
They will contend the baby never died.
The doctor has failed to monitor its life signs properly.
I think that when our troops get into Bosnia and when everything keeps going on, that the American public is going to rally just like it did in Desert Storm.
And I think what's going to happen is it's going to be like an O.J. Simpson thing, that everybody is going to be watching the TV, that, you know, like it's going to be like a media event.
The networks have been building camera platforms in Tuzla.
Have any of you seen the camera platforms?
Actually, they look like they're building gallows.
They're built out of wood, and they're big old high platforms where a cameraman can stand.
So they can take pictures, presumably, of our troops and any fighting that might occur.
Now, I'll be damned if I would stand up on a platform in Tuzla, in Bosnia, you might as well put a target on the jacket you're wearing and say, here, sniper, here, sniper, west of the Rockies, you're on the air.
If Colin Powell doesn't have a problem with Clinton being Commander-in-Chief, how come you do?
I mean, in his book, he says he respected the man for how much he can retain, and even though he didn't agree with what he did in Vietnam, he still thinks that he was an okay guy.
Yeah, I mean, the guy's just, I read the book about him, read a couple books, and the guy's I think he's got more luck than anybody I've ever come across.
His campaigners, and when they were doing, when he was campaigning, all the things that would come up, and they said to him, like James Carvile said to him, you know, I mean, what are you doing?
You're killing yourself, all these things that are coming up.
And he just kind of brushes them aside and just says, you know, it'll take care of itself.
Yep, James Carville, I'm glad you brought his name up.
Thank you.
Did anybody happen to see Meet the Press two weeks ago, Sunday?
It featured James Carville and Mary Madeline.
She is the Republican strategist.
He is the Bill Clinton strategist.
They are married.
And they sat there and they both responded with due deference to the other.
But you could see Carville cringing, you know, at what Madeleine would say.
You've got to kind of wonder what kind of home life they have, whether they discuss politics at home.
I mean, these are two absolutely rabid ideological beings who somehow found love through it all.
You know, but there's got to come a time, I mean, there are so many radical differences between the two that you could almost imagine dishes flying, chandeliers crashing.
I mean, the home life, I wonder if they pull it off at home.
They didn't really ask them about it.
They should have, because it's what I was sitting there wondering as they were trying to answer these questions.
He's saying that rockets launching themselves from the Earth's surface on a consistent basis, attaining escape velocity, will act sort of like retro rockets for the Earth, slowing the Earth itself.
Finally, I grasped what he was trying to tell me there.
It's kind of, I'm curious because the one time I visited Salt Lake, it was such a quiet, peaceful, simple place without obviously very much activity after dark, so there couldn't have been much crime.
And I understand it has changed a very great deal, and your perspective as a police person would be interesting.
Particularly the third shift, there are a lot of really fun games, which I will not go into for his sake and all the other officers' sake out there.
I won't go into it.
We did some really stupid things as well.
Cops like practical jokes, and I can remember one cop, for example, taking a whole bunch of firecrackers and strapping them to a cigarette and hiding them under the bumper of another guy's patrol car.
Well, you can pretty well imagine what the guys in the cop car did when they started going off under their bumper.
Just wanted to let you know you ought to feel guilty.
I've got a Kenwood TS-50 and a blah, blah, blah antenna system in my blazer.
And now all I use it for on my one-hour drive home from work at night, two in the morning, is listening to you on AM760, WJR, in Detroit.
$2,000 worth of radio gear to listen to the AM broadcast band.
I used to work DX all the way home.
Thanks.
Bernie, Flint, Michigan.
And then there's Hi Art.
I have noticed a strange tone in your voice.
Whenever you are addressing anyone named Steve these days, is it possible you will never be able to react normally to another Steve again?
By the way, there must be something to the whole secret Steve phenomenon.
I have so many friends named Steve that my other friends want me to create Steve flashcards just so they'll know which one I'm talking about in conversation.
What does that say about me?
Well, sir, my mama used to say, birds of a feather.
Now, I'm not sure that that relates directly to the Steve thing or not, but I'm afraid you're going to have to give it some thought yourself.
Well, then you know what I'm saying is true, Martha.
Thank you.
It's just, you know, it's been going on forever, and our one year there, if you believe that, certainly is not going to change what is, without a doubt, a generational hatred that will span many, many generations.
You listen to some of the interviews that networks are doing over there with the people who live there.
You listen to that, and then you tell me that what we're doing is going to make some sort of difference.
Amazing is when something happens that surprises you.
I was sent an article.
Now, I have no way of knowing if this is true, but it named the man, and it named, you know, he told the whole story.
It may have been, I'm not sure of the publication, but it was about a man who took off in a hang glider in Baja, California.
And they do a lot of hang gliding in Baja, California.
And I had to go out and get the damn thing.
And he caught a thermal, and he went up like a rocket ship.
Now, that can certainly occur.
But what happened is he then caught the trade wind, some sort of wind, and he was carried over a period of days, I said days, from Baja, California and landed in Australia.
He said sometimes his hang glider was so high that the ocean was nothing but a blur.
You know how high that means he was, thousands of feet up.
At other times, he was barely above the waves.
There were many times he thought he would not make it.
He did see some islands, but he was unable to get the kite down at those times, and he ended up in Australia.
That is an amazing story.
Coming back to life after over three and a quarter hours is more than amazing.
Maybe there is another word in between amazing and miracle, but I don't know what it would be.
If you were sitting here, then you could have left her on.
I know about the deep, and so do most people in America now, the deep ethnic differences.
And what I pointed out after of all was that we are, if anything, going over there and we're saying we're making it one country, and we're not.
We're standing in between the warring parties, and the Serbs are going to have to leave Sarajevo, and other people are going to have to leave, and it's all going to be divided off neatly into the respective ethnic areas.
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well i realize that but the point is that that you seem to spend more time talking to people who do not have an intimate knowledge of of what's going on over there that call up about their sort of americanized views of what's going on with very little knowledge i just thought that might have been interesting to hear a little bit more from her who is more intimately involved well
And I don't stay with anything too long, as I'm sure you have noticed.
So I thought that she made her point about the ethnic differences, and there are.
And so I moved on.
Sorry if you thought it was short.
It was short.
A lot of calls are.
We have a lot of calls to try to get to on the air.
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
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Hello, Mark.
Hello?
Thinking like a chess player looking at several moves in advance, and this is kind of conspiracy thinking.
If, you know, these theories that the Russian perestroika, you know, even Gorbachev said they've never abandoned communism, the Serbs being a pawn in the hand of the Russians, if they were good boys for a year, it could make Clinton look good, and if he's part of a one-world conspiracy to more or less form this one-world government, that could be one possible explanation of why we're in Bosnia and not Rwanda or whatever, you know, any other place where there's...
Well, sir, how do you share unless you cannot share what you first do not take away?
In other words, he can't share our wealth with Mexico or Guatemala or Bangladesh or Africa without first taking it away from us.
The government produces nothing.
The government is not a business.
It is not profitable.
Its only resources are the taxpayer.
So the government of necessity must always first take away from those who have to give to those who have not, whether it's in this country or anywhere else.
We're having a big fight with China with regard to intellectual rights right now, and the GATT treaty that was signed protects intellectual copyrights and so forth.
So I can't imagine how he could do that.
unidentified
Well, he just said it, and in my opinion, if I'm interpreting this thing correctly, and I hope I'm not, if my interpretation is correctly, I think the transfer of money will be maybe in the trillions, not in the billions, in the trillions.
You know, I can't conceive, the way it's worded, I can't figure out what they're trying to say.
And I really cannot imagine that's what it would mean because it would be contradictory to everything we just tried to accomplish and just did accomplish with GATT with regard to intellectual rights.
So it makes no sense.
unidentified
This Clinton hasn't made any sense since he's been in office.
But if I could quote just one sentence here from the Army Field Manual, which I understand Michael New is going to use to defend himself, it says, moral courage is as important as physical courage.
You show moral courage when you do something based on one of your values or moral principles, knowing that the action may not be in your best interest.
It takes special courage to support unpopular decisions.
Stand up for your beliefs in what you know is right.
If you believe you are right, after sober and considered judgment, hold your position.
That's right out of the Army Field Manual under military leadership.
Now 241 affiliates strong, Let me begin this hour, I guess, with an ad in a way.
You know we're going to Bosnia.
As a matter of fact, the late news is that more troops than we have admitted are already in Bosnia.
The BBC is talking about that.
I told you.
I told you the BBC and other European shortwave stations will give you news that you will not get by omission here in the country.
If you really want to know what the hell is going on, you've got to get shortwave.
Bosnia, of course, Schwartzkoff on Bosnia.
Says we, you know, since desert storm, we have reduced our total military forces by about 30%.
It's almost one-third, you know.
And he said, trouble is, if we get involved more and more in Bosnia, and then the jerk in North Korea comes across the DMZ, we could be in trouble.
Or if Saddam decides he's going to kick up his heels, we could be in trouble.
In other words, we might not have enough service people to cover everything at once.
That is sage advice from a general who knows what he's doing.
I read at the beginning of the program, and if you didn't hear it, I'm sorry, the President's full letter, the one he wrote when he evaded service in Vietnam.
If you are able to get a repeat of the first hour of this program, I suggest you listen very carefully to it because it is very revealing of the convenient, elastic morality of the man who now sends people to do that which he would not do.
That is not a trivial matter.
So we're talking, obviously, about Bosnia.
I mean, it's unavoidable.
That's one thing.
And the other is the baby in Kalamazoo, Michigan.
It is the most remarkable, incredible, good, cool Christmas story.
It's more than that.
I really don't know what you would call this.
And you tell me what you would call it.
Kalamazoo, Michigan, yesterday aired on CNN at 9 o'clock.
A mother pregnant.
Her baby, 16 weeks premature.
Stillbirth.
The child comes out purple.
No life signs.
Dead.
Totally purple.
I mean, totally almost a purple to black color of the skin.
No brain waves, no heartbeat, no breathing.
In Kalamazoo, they have a program that after the doctors have done their heroic best and a child has been declared dead, they allow the mother to hold the dead child for good reason.
I mean, you know, psychological reasons.
It allows a bonding.
It allows the mother to know that which now she will never know again and come to terms with her child's death.
It is a very sensitive, reasonable program.
This child had been dead for three and one-quarter hours, and the mother was in this grieving, bonding process with it.
I said three and a quarter hours, when suddenly it began gasping for breath.
The doctors and the nurses were right there.
They about fell over.
They grabbed the child, put it on life support, and as far as I know at this hour, they of course have no way of knowing about brain damage right now, but nearly as they know at this hour, the child continues to live.
I said three and a quarter hours.
That is not amazing.
It's beyond amazing.
It is a miracle.
That is the word I attach to that.
I don't know what you would call it, but you're welcome to call it whatever you want.
You try and explain it.
Mr. Bell, regarding the baby on the CNN report who had been pronounced dead three and a half hours later, resumed breathing, I'm sure there will be many explanations and theories posed trying to explain the reason.
As you said, this is a miracle.
And because most people feel uncomfortable with miracles, this will probably be filed away simply to be forgotten.
Not by me.
There will be, as you say, sir, many people who will simply file this away and try to forget it because they cannot explain it.
Can you?
Any of you have a good scientific explanation for reanimation after three and a half hours?
Anybody out there want to take a shot at that one?
And this, all right, even though the White House numbers are running 4-1 against troops going to Bosnia, this is still a near-guaranteed win for Bill Clinton.
When the troops get there, one of two things is going to happen.
One, the peace will be held.
No troops killed.
Bill Clinton looks like a genius, yes, or two.
Troops begin to drop like flies.
There is a public outcry, and Bill will come up with the following: quote, You have spoken, and I have listened.
I today am ordering our peacekeeping troops home since there is no peace to keep.
And then, boom, his popularity numbers will skyrocket just in time for the election.
I think this may turn out to be a win-win situation, either way, for Bill.
And I like this.
I had a caller call up earlier, a man who said, we're firing rockets off constantly to the east, I believe he said, and that is slowly slowing the earth.
Dear Arn, regarding the retro rocket caller, I think the old laugh-in line is appropriate.
Very interesting, but stupid.
About the baby, do you remember your own question about the proof of God?
As always, a great show, Crazy Jim, he signs it, in Milwaukee.
And this, dear art.
Scientists are vastly concerned about the hazards of slowing the Earth's rotation to walking speed by the incessant eastward outbound rockets.
Therefore, they launch an equal number of rockets to the west as well.
But what I'm afraid of are their north to south outbound rocket launches.
Think about that.
It's from New Orleans, I think.
Oh, no, Columbus, Georgia.
The professor, he calls himself in Columbus, Georgia.
So that gives you a little bit of a hint of what we're talking about this morning.
The book signing offer is now over.
You can still get my book for Christmas if you would like.
And they have a service now that will get it to you like in two days or something.
You know, if you want to get it next day or whatever, you can order my book that way.
Well, I think that when you, in essence, sign your soul over, you begin to sleep well at night, just as I believe Charlie, who calls the show occasionally, sleeps well at night.
If you have no conscience, you have nothing to stir you and keep you awake.
So you sleep very well.
Thank you very much for the call.
You sleep very well indeed.
It's hard for people with a conscience and with a high sense of ethics and morality to understand even the existence of those without it.
It seems impossible.
But it is true.
And if you listen to that letter from Bill Clinton, you understand that at a very early age, he committed himself to a political life.
And in a way, that means you sign your soul over because to be the consummate politician, you have got to be a good liar.
Being a good politician means being a good liar.
In modern America, it does.
Now, it may not have always been that way.
But in modern America, you better be a good liar.
You've got to be able to, I mean, look people in the face and say things like, read my lips, no new taxes, and, you know, just know that you don't mean it.
The only gripe I have with the Chiefs is that they have always screwed me up.
In other words, if I go bet on them because I think they're romping stomping, they screw me up and I lose my bet every time, almost.
And if I bet against them, they have a good week and they absolutely tromp the team.
So in other words, I have not had good betting luck with the Chiefs.
But they're a great football team, there's no doubt about that.
It's just they have let me down so many times.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi, I'm confused.
On one hand, you sort of say that in the past Clinton committed himself to politics, but then by sending the troops to Bosnia, you're also saying that it's no political advantage that he's not thinking of politics.
I mean, it's like because they initialed and we bombed them to initial in Dayton, and then we're going to continue that threat to get them to sign in Paris.
We think it's over, but I don't think they think it's over.
And they're the ones that count.
unidentified
Just one more question, a little more closer to home.
Now, when radio stations begin their morning show at like 5 o'clock, then there's not a lot you can do about it because that's when they start their morning show.
That's reasonable.
But if they've got another program on in there, you might ask them to carry one more hour.
And, you know, if enough people ask, maybe they will do it.
unidentified
I'll do that.
I have several things I want to get in here, so I'll go quick.
Now, as I just told that lady, if the radio station you are listening to goes to a morning show, you know, their morning show after our show, then there's probably not very much hope of getting the hours extended.
But if they've got something else plugged in there, then it would certainly be worth your giving them a call and saying, hey, how about giving us another hour of coast?
And I always like to remind everybody, when you do that, do it politely.
You've got to really get to the program director or the manager of the radio station.
And the worst thing that you can do is say, you know, call up and say, hi, you know that program you've got on after coast to coast?
It's really a piece of crap.
Why do you run such baloney on your radio station?
This is the wrong approach.
And it tends to cause the hair on the back of their neck to go straight out.
And they get defensive.
And they say to themselves immediately, what a jerk.
Because, see, they're probably the person who decided to put that there in the first place.
So when you say that it's junk, you're telling them that they're a jerk.
That's very bad.
Don't do that.
Be instead positive and simply say what you would like or what you would enjoy them doing.
Not so much a commentary on what you don't like as what you do like and you're a lot more likely to have success.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Thank God I got through.
This is John in Midwest City, Oklahoma, and I'm upset tonight.
Do you realize what it takes to get a program from point A to point B, which in this case is from my little radio room here, to all these radio stations all over the country?
If I were to explain it, your eyes would glaze over, or you would be amazed, or you wouldn't believe it.
All the satellite hops and technology and digital transmission and all the rest of it, it is nothing short of amazing, but it does work.
And again, you know, you hear Rush say all the time, it doesn't matter where here is.
Now, as long as I'm here on the radio, right?
So you've got to wonder, if that's really true, then why is he in Manhattan?
And in both cases, they went on to get real popular.
You know, anybody who's seen Sugar Time?
Boy, that was a good movie.
And it was the story of Phyllis Maguire, who, by the way, lives now in Las Vegas, I understand.
If you get an opportunity to see that movie, see it.
It's called Sugar Time, and it sucked me right in.
Boy, was it good.
You know who I would really, really like to interview?
Phyllis Maguire.
i bet she wouldn't do it but if you get an opportunity i want to have Wouldn't it be cool to interview Phyllis McGuire?
Just a tremendous movie.
You get a chance, go rent it or something.
It's called Sugar Time.
And it's about Las Vegas, and it's about the Maguire sisters, and it's about Phyllis McGuire.
And I have no way of knowing how much of it is true or not, but I would give my right arm to be able to interview Phyllis Maguire and ask her about it.
Dear Art, if, as you said, the baby was 16 weeks premature and was stillborn, then we may have just discovered the precise moment the soul enters the body.
Great news for all of the pro-choice crowd.
Roy in Loveland, Colorado.
unidentified
This baby was two pounds, five ounces, and it shows it in an incubator, so I didn't get the whole article read here for you.
I've heard of cases where people for up to an hour have come out of freezing water and survived, but not at room temperature, not for 20 minutes, not for three hours.
Well, I hope all is well, and particularly as we approach the holiday season.
And that brings up a question in my mind concerning depression of the season, which I can relate to to a certain extent, but beyond that for many years due to declining physical condition.
I'm only about a year or two older than you are.
However, unable to find myself ready to face the 21st century, I wanted to ask you what you personally felt about the improvement of the quality of human life, generally speaking, by the introduction of euthanasia clinics to benefit those of us who might voluntarily opt out of the loop.
In fact, would.
What would be your read on that as a viable governmental policy?
Well, years ago, I would have been equally astounded, but due to prevailing circumstances, the decline of the country, our political system, the system of economics, and the technology coming in the next century, which is actually here right now.
I'm really glad that you put on the air the earthquake and volcanic activities because I always get a really panicky feeling and I've never figured out what it was but when I, since I started listening to your show about a year ago, I started correlating my feelings with...
Yeah, that's great.
And I don't know, since I don't get you past 5 o'clock.
And that goes back to the guy, I'm still not over that, the guy who wanted to have the government deaf clinics, you know, euthanasia clinics where people who have had enough can go to end it all.
What do you all think of that idea?
Not too cool.
Government deaf clinics.
Dr. Kvorkian Memorial Clinic.
East of the Rockies.
Oh, whoops, you would have been on the air, but you're not.
West of the Rockies, on the wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hey, I heard you calling for a weather report from Alaska.
Well, to put things on a little happier note here, I really did have to grit my teeth for a minute there about the guy with the government to death and everything.
You know, you've got to ask yourself, though, if they had such government-sponsored institutions of death, how many people do you think would walk through the door?
unidentified
Boy, I tell you what, things are turned so far upside down these days.
It wouldn't surprise me if they had it on CNN and they said, well, all the death camps started up today and people are lining up in droves.
Not only do I feel very special about Maria, but you know, when it was my birthday, this last time I had my birthday, my wife somehow found Maria Moldauer, found her somewhere out there, and Maria sent me this.
unidentified
Listen.
Happy birthday to you.
Happy birthday to you.
Happy 50th birthday to you, Art Bell.
Happy birthday to you and many more.
All right, this is Maria Muldor calling you from the Oasis, wishing you the happiest of 50th birthdays.
In fact, I held a little miracle on my lap, which kind of goes along with when does life enter, you know, enter the babies.
Well, when you plant a flower seed, the life is already there, isn't it?
And it starts sprouting very soon.
It's the same with human and animal.
The sperm is the seed with the life in it.
But the little baby, I was sitting in Newberries and spoke in one day and sitting in a chair in the shoe department, and this darling little black girl come up roaming around, wanting to sit on my lap, you know.
She was about three, I think.
That's been about 40 years ago.
I wish I could run into her again, but her mother, seeing I was friendly, she started talking to me, and I was telling her how cute the little girl was.
She was awfully tiny, but she was really cute.
And her mother said, well, she's in the World Book of Records, in the Guinness World Book of Records, for having been the shortest-term baby in, you know, in ever.
I know, but it all adds up because she told me that when she's a couple years older, all she will need is a light surgery on her female organs because they didn't quite finish developing.
All right, ma'am, I've got to run, but thank you very much for the call.
And this is right down the alley of what you were just saying.
Listen very carefully.
Thank you very much for the call.
The rebirth of the baby is no miracle in the big picture.
However, to us it is.
I call it the spontaneous regeneration of life created by the mother's love for her child.
It was the mother's faith and love and grief that sparked or rekindled the life force from behind the child on the other side, brought it here and now.
She would make for a great study herself.
She's a great mom, teaching us all a lesson in compassion.
On the quantum level, the very tiny level, these things happen all the time.
It's just rare for us to see or witness them.
What is interesting to me is that it took three and a half hours to realize our time is relative.
She's also teaching us that our belief systems can be flexible and are not set in concrete.
I'm sure you'll see and hear more of this kind of miracle, but understand they are not.
They are only rare so far in our world.
Look around you and examine nature.
Even a tiny blade of grass.
It is a miracle it is able to grow out of the ground at all.
You stop and think about it, transforming dirt, water, and sunlight into a living thing.
Must be black magic.
The seed is always the unmanifest potential.
It is always here.
Everything is intentional.
It's all part of the quickening.
Signed, one of your listeners.
It is the most cogent facts I've received this morning on what to me is a miracle.
And they don't have presenters, and it's really a very different kind of television.
But after I thought about it, I thought, well, if a camera is invasive, or I feel it is, and it throws me off my game, then it's invasive.
I don't care whether it's the British camera or American camera, it doesn't matter.
It's invasive.
unidentified
I was kind of interested that they were going to do a show on you because when I was over there, they're like almost 10 years behind on TV shows in general.
You know, they were like, when I was there, they were just starting to show Charlie's Angels and stuff like that.
And I really, really, really hate turning these things down all the time.
You know, it makes me feel like a poop.
But I have learned that.
I have learned that I don't like TV, and I don't like going out and doing shows in front of audiences and that kind of thing.
It's just a quirk of mine.
And I am best when I am in my own element.
I am best when I am not thinking, for example, about a big audience out there.
You know what?
I don't do that.
Even though I know there's a lot of radio stations and millions of people, I block it out.
And it's sort of like I talk to you one at a time.
Or like I'm talking to one person.
But when the reality, it's like I went on vacation.
I was talking to somebody about this yesterday.
I went on vacation to Mazat Lan.
When I did, I went down to LAX.
When I flew into LAX and I looked out the airplane window down at Los Angeles below me, it totally freaked me out.
I said, I'm on the air there.
Oh, man, how do I do it?
And it freaked me out.
And then at LAX, I had a lot of time.
You know, you always have time at LAX, unfortunately.
So I went out, you know, and smoked my cigarette, sitting in front of LAX, and I was watching the people.
They were running, most of them, and moving very fast.
And I just sat there quietly next to the ashtray, exiled from those inside because I wanted to smoke and I didn't want to go to their glass enclosure, stupid glass enclosure.
So I watched, and there were millions of people.
And I sat there and I thought, how do I do it?
You know, if I had to really see these people, I couldn't do it.
And so when I'm in front of an audience, or I realize, or I begin to think about the size of the audience, it totally screws me up.
And it doesn't take much.
And a camera in here, that'd do it.
Screw me up totally.
So, I don't do it.
I just sort of live within my world and my own little zone of comfort here And try not to think about it all.
And then it works.
and if i think about it or over intellectual eyes at which is something i tend to do it uh...
it gets me bites me right in the bottom First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified
I'd like to revisit the Bosnia subject today and tell you about the way I have interpreted this thing over the last couple years.
It's been obvious through the newspapers and it's reported widely that the Serbs have always had superior firepower.
They have been unable to defeat or achieve a victory against the Muslims.
In any event, I think that if we were able to release this embargo, I think that very quickly this thing would come to a stalemate.
And that's what the big fight's going to be about.
Bob Dole has delayed the vote in the Senate for a couple of really good reasons.
One, he doesn't have the votes.
Two, he wants an end strategy, an end to the Bosnian incursion, clearly defined.
And part of that end is rearming the Bosnians.
The president is not willing to do that.
Still not willing to do that.
And for the U.S. to go in and do what we're about to do, and then to leave without giving the Bosnians the opportunity to defend themselves, is one of the most totally insane things I've ever heard in my whole life.
So one can only sit and puzzle at the President's inscrutable, and it is inscrutable foreign policy ideas.
I just absolutely cannot understand what this man is all about.
When people give the welfare or responsibility of their living over to the government, they're too willing to turn the responsibility of their dying over.
I've been noticing, like, in the networks and that there's, you know, I've been listening to your show for about a year and that, you know, and I've been, oh, it seems like a lot of the networks are starting to pick up on the type of stuff you do.
That a lot of what people used to tell me I was absolutely out of my mind for putting on the air now is showing up as regular fare on the regular broadcast networks.