Art Bell’s Dreamland explores Linda Moulton Howe’s Zakoro helicopter sightings and Socorro "tent footage" from Germany’s 1982 Hesseman conference, showing a six-fingered humanoid—larger than Roswell autopsy claims—with Schell confirming its authenticity. Howe dismisses crop circle theories as incapable of causing mitochondrial changes in mutilated cows, citing Levingood’s energy-based explanation. Dr. Chet Snow recounts 1982 visions of his grandmother, who guided him toward past/future life studies with Wombach, revealing consciousness persists across dimensions like a "spiritual continuum." Skeptics question fraud or evil spirits, but Snow counters with 95% of humanity’s belief in unprovable phenomena, framing prophecy as preventative warnings. Bell’s bleak observations on societal decline contrast Snow’s hope for collective spiritual awakening, tying cosmic awareness to human resilience amid chaos. [Automatically generated summary]
Welcome to Dreamland, a program dedicated to an examination of areas in the human experience not easily nor neatly put in a box.
Things seen at the edge of vision, awakening a part of the mind as yet not mapped, and yet things every bit as real as the air we breathe but don't see.
This is Dreamland.
It is indeed.
And I wasn't sure where my mic was there for a second.
Hi, everybody.
Welcome in.
Good to have you.
It is Sunday evening once again.
Dreamland underway.
A couple of heads-up items for you.
I'm Art Bell.
One heads up.
We were going to have Zachariah Sitchin on a regular syndicated program, Coast to Coast AM, but Zachariah Sitchin, because of events in Israel, will not be with us this coming week, but rather the following week.
So look for Zachariah Sitchin.
A lot of people waiting for him.
1 a.m. on Thursday morning, the 15th.
That'll be on coast.
And I'm looking forward to it.
Coming up shortly, Linda Howe and then Dr. Chet Snow back from France.
We kind of get him once a year as he comes back from France on past and future life progression and possibility of multiple lives.
A couple of other items.
I would like to give out my World Wide Web address.
It is a simple one, unlike many others.
It is www.artbell.com forward slash art forward slash.
That's it.
A lot simpler than most of them.
That's www standing for worldwide web.artbell.com forward slash art forward slash.
And I also want to thank the gentlemen who have that page up.
It is one of the best pages on the web and it gets constant attention.
Also, the absolutely astounding pictures from Hubble, we have got what we think are the two best ones of all the ones sent to me.
And they are on our bulletin board entitled star1.gif and star3.gif.
When you get into our bulletin board, you simply hit JSpace 11 and go to the section that says Hubble.
You will find them in there.
Star1.gif and star3.gif, and they really are worth having.
If you have an inkjet or laser jet printer, you can print them and they are then of framable quality.
Creation at work.
I've got an Associated Press story, and a lot of people, a lot of people, thousands, are seeing a face in the clouds.
Of course, it's kind of a cosmic Roshak test, but a lot of people claim they're seeing the face of Jesus Christ.
I haven't seen it yet.
I've been looking.
Maybe I just haven't seen it the right way.
At any rate, tonight's show, in a moment, of course, Emmy Award-winning investigative journalist Linda Howell, who is at home in Philadelphia with what I understand is a fascinating report regarding some new alien footage, Roswell footage, I believe.
And then Dr. Chet Snow on past lives and future lives.
And you know, I love that topic.
So we'll be into all of that here in a moment.
If you suffer from headaches, backaches, sports injuries, any kind of discomfort to Philadelphia and Linda Howe.
Last Sunday, I interviewed a Red Bluff California man who watched three strange-looking helicopter-like vehicles fly 50 feet above him and his growling dogs.
He said that all he could hear was a slow, whispering, whooshing sound.
made a good little whooshing sound right and it was sort of Afterward, I received several calls for two or three days from pilots who said even new helicopter designs which reduce noise aren't that quiet.
So what were those objects?
I continue to look forward to anybody's information on that issue.
And the Lassen County, California Sheriff's Office called me again about a third mutilated cow found on the Barton Ranch in Susanville.
Tall grass that we collected from the first two mutilations a couple of weeks ago has been examined by W.C. Levingood, the biophysicist in Michigan.
And Dr. Leavingood told me this week that he found the same pattern of biochemical and biophysical changes that he has found in plants from other animal mutilation and cross-circle formations that I've reported about on Dreamland for the last two years.
His hypothesis is that an intense and complex energy was focused at the sites, but the technology and motive are still unknown.
For people to understand, because, you know, Doug and Dave were only the beginning, and I'm sure that some crop circles have been created by Doug and Dave wannabes.
Well, the humanoid autopsy footage from the alleged May 31st, 1947 UFO crash near Socorro, New Mexico was in the news again, this time in Dusseldorf, Germany.
Magazine publisher Michael Hesseman organized a conference last weekend to discuss the controversial story and to screen other Socorro footage and film that is beginning to emerge from a variety of sources.
For the first time, an uncut 14-minute version of what is called the Socorro tent footage was shown.
Yeah, and in the audience was Bob Schell, editor of Shutterbug magazine for the past eight years, and the author of that first report, which we've discussed, that supported this autopsy film as being consistent with 1940s black and white high-speed films.
He's been in photography and doing the magazine for 24 years and editor the last eight years on Shutterbug.
He knows a lot about film and cameras.
And yesterday, I interviewed Bob about what he saw at the Dieseldorf conference, including the unedited tent footage.
unidentified
And what you can see is a being that looks similar to the one seen in the autopsy lying on a table, maybe it's a cot, in a dimly illuminated area, which may be inside of a tent.
You can't really tell it's a tent.
It's just a dark area.
There's an emergency lantern hanging directly over the table that the creature's on.
There's two people behind the table, and for convenience, I'm just calling them medical technicians, because that seems to be what they are.
They're wearing white lab coats like a medical technician would wear.
And the creature is not moving, at least not visibly moving.
I do want to have someone look at this on the computer and see if any chest movement can be detected.
The head, again, it's not very clearly lighted, but the head does appear to be the same kind of a creature.
Based on the height of the two people behind the table, just guesstimating height, it looks like this creature is larger than the one we've seen in the autopsy that's out on video.
Now, the tape that we saw wasn't clear enough to count the toes.
The feet are fairly well shattered anyway.
The fingers are hard to see, but I'd say 95% sure that there are six of them.
I tried several times counting them, and it always looked to me like there were six of them.
The head does have the big black eye covers like we've seen in the autopsy, so it appears to be the same kind of creature, but it appears to be a taller member of the same type of creature.
According to Phillips, who has seen both autopsies, as well as the tent footage, the creatures in both autopsies appear to be about the same size.
That one, again, is completely monitored.
So we do have on film three out of the four creatures that were supposed to have been at the crash.
It's really impossible to tell exactly what these people, these medical technicians, are doing to this creature.
But it looks like what they're doing is removing a fairly large quantity of wet, dark cloth.
It could be surgical gauze saturated with a dark fluid like blood.
It could be some other kind of cloth that's already dark in color.
But if you assume their medical technician is doing some kind of medical procedure, then it looks like what they're doing is removing a wound dressing, preparatory to perhaps replacing it with fresh dressing.
And if they are in fact removing a wound dressing, as saturated as the material appears to be from the way it flops around when they lift it up, I'd say that the creature had lost a considerable amount of fluid.
But this is really speculation because we really don't know exactly what they're doing.
It's just an impression of what they're doing.
The other piece of film that surfaced at Disseldorf that I did see because it surfaced the day I was there is some film that was brought to Disseldorf by an Italian man by the name of Bon Giovanni.
Mr. Bon Giovanni received this film from a friend of his in Brazil and this film shows a crashed disc type flying saucer on top of a military flatbed truck.
Wendell Steves who was at the conference said that this was a standard issue military flatbed from the 40s and that the bed of the truck measures 40 feet long, in which case the saucer is about half, the diameter of the saucer is about half the length of the trailer, which means the saucer is roughly 20 feet in diameter.
The first sequence on this film shows the saucer on the back of the truck being supported vertically by some scaffolding.
Second sequence shows it inside of a hangar.
And again, Wendell says the hanger has every resemblance to being a hangar at Bright Patterson from his days of being there.
And the third part of the sequence shows some large object being hoisted out from inside the saucer by chain.
And this large, strange-looking object is identified as the power Plant of the saucer.
All I can say about this film is that it looks good in the sense that if it's a fake, it's an extremely well-done fake.
Mr. Bon Giovanni says that he can get the original film.
What he had with him in Dusseldorf was a videotape made from the film.
And if he can, in fact, get the original film, then we can go to work on verification of it also.
Can you get a little bit more detail on the object that is on the film?
Well, I keep remembering Bob Schell telling me that he called up a former colleague from his days long ago at the Central Intelligence Agency, described the six-fingered, six-toed being in the Santilli autopsy footage, and that this old colleague now...
That's finally out.
I think that more than one person off the record has been coming forth to me and to others saying this footage is real.
So I think we should hold the door open that the biggest irony of all time, that we're being introduced to a non-human intelligence through autopsy footage in old 1940s films.
The number to call if anybody has information on the animal mutilation, DARC helicopter connection, or these strange vehicles in the air is my office tomorrow at Area Code 215-491-9840 or FACS, Area Code 215-491-9842.
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Oh, it does, alright, and get my best to check snow because prophecy is a big deal now, all-star, and they just had a big conference in Philadelphia last weekend.
An opening question would be, with two doctorates and a zillion different possibilities of areas that you could investigate and, you know, work you could do and no doubt teaching you could do and all the things you could do, how in the world did you get into the field you're in?
Well, sometimes you have to get hit over the head.
And actually, something similar to that happened to me about 12 years ago.
It was actually late 1982.
Two things happened.
I was working for the United States Air Force at that time as an administrative officer in their historical department out at Travis Air Force Base in California and enjoying that very much.
Had a really enviable lifestyle.
I got to fly around the world and the country a lot and do very interesting things when two things happened.
One was there was an industrial accident that happened to me at work that led me to, how can I put it, find that the medical establishment couldn't solve and cure everything that they and I thought they could do and spent a good deal of time with a problem of what's called phantom back pain.
Well, I had a major problem with that and then the second thing that happened was, as I've told many people now, that my grandmother, with whom I was very close and who nonetheless was 90-some years old, passed away.
Only what happened with me was that she refused to stay dead.
And, you know, Raymond Moody has written a whole book about this now, so it's become a fairly well-known, popular topic.
He calls it reunions, and he says it goes way back in time, and you can sort of go to one of his places.
He puts a fancy Greek name to it, and get in touch with dead relatives and things.
Well, I didn't need any of that.
What happened with me was in an Air Force VOQ unit at the visiting officer's quarter unit on one of my missions about three weeks after her passing, she suddenly just appeared in the room.
Walked right out of a ball of light at the foot of my bed.
Oh, but looking very much like I had known her, only a few years younger, and looking obviously in much better health than I had last seen her before her passing.
And in fact, what was fascinating to me, these encounters, these sessions, you could call them, I guess, went on for a couple of months, always very discreetly, always in appropriate times and places when I was alone, when I wouldn't be bothered.
And it didn't matter what time zone of the world I was in.
It happened in America, in Japan, in the Philippines, in Hawaii.
I can't even remember how many different places, but always at an appropriate moment for me.
And in each time, she had something personal to tell me, something that was interesting in a family kind of way.
And then, little by little, she began to give me some instruction.
And I'll just say it really simply that we have a very limited concept of what we call the afterlife.
It isn't just sort of you're here and suddenly you either go to heaven or to hell.
And it turns out that she was Dr. Helen Wombach, who was at Berkeley at that time, not very far from where I lived in Northern California, and was a specialist in reincarnational work.
And so, obviously, I made an appointment right away, and that's how all this got started, because it was Dr. Wambach who more or less coined the whole concept of future life progression.
She gave me her name and a basic address, and then someone actually came to me a few days later, just an acquaintance, started telling me about Dr. Helen Wombach in Berkeley.
And of course, it didn't take too long for me to figure out that was the Helen that my grandmother had been mentioning.
So what I said to her was that I had been recommended by a very highly placed source.
And Helen Wombach had a wonderful sense of humor because later when I told her this whole story, of course, she laughed and remembered that first situation.
And in fact, what happened was she suggested to me, I told her that I was having some problems in my career and this back injury was bothering me and that I wanted to know more about her work and also that I had been recommended to her.
She had been recommended to me, I should say.
And so she said, well, let's see.
Let's do a regression and, of course, find out if there's some history, some background to any of this.
So this started essentially a two-year relationship that ended when she passed on from a heart attack rather suddenly.
But in that time, we did, I would guess, maybe 25 or 30 regressions and ultimately progressions because I went to her not knowing she was dealing with this future stuff at all.
That only came out after we had worked together for a while.
And in the initial sessions, I found that, in fact, I had known my grandmother before several times.
In fact, that she had been a close family tie to me, maybe even more than some of the other members of my personal family today.
That may be why she came back to me instead of some of the others.
There were some things that needed to be ironed out that came out clearly in these sessions.
And that basically she came back to remind me that before I had been born, I had kind of made an agreement that I wouldn't spend my whole life just working in dusty Air Force records, which, although by today's terminology, I guess we're finding out, disappear anyway, especially when congressmen want to find them, right?
Well, clearly the first thing was that, surprise, surprise, you don't just disappear.
And it's not just a big sleep.
That very much, as I later learned in the near-death experience report, you have this incredibly wonderful sensation of being out of the physical form, although you feel you're still in your body.
And yet, if you look around, you can find where your body is in most cases.
And you are.
And the interesting thing she said was her reaction was, her reaction was, well, I'm trying to get it right.
right but that that the whole feeling was in a sense that that it's like you just associate a little bit from that physical form and yet you know you're you and you're still very much yourself in fact all of a sudden all the ailments andills and pains are gone and it That's right.
And then essentially she said that she was very quickly, she didn't go through all the stages, as far as I could tell, of what near-death experiences go through.
She said for her, it was very quickly, almost like a flash of light, and she found herself no longer involved with where she had been in the hospital and that kind of thing.
And that she was initially like high above the earth and could see out to the whole universe.
And then it was almost like thought, Edgar Casey said it this way, thought becomes thing.
And where she would think is suddenly she could sort of be there watching it.
You have not yet seen, I know because we talked before the show, the photographs just taken by Hubble, 7,000 light years away, the actual creation process underway, stars being born, these 7 trillion or 6 trillion mile long gaseous clouds, birthing stars.
It's the most incredible thing you've ever seen in your life.
And I wonder if when we die, if in some relationship with our universe, we get to understand and behold these things.
You not only get to behold and understand such things, she also said that suddenly she was inside a snowflake and that that was a universe just as big and brilliant as being outside watching the Earth.
There is almost like an agreement to let go and sort of an understanding that almost like an actor in a play has to take on all of the characteristics of the role of the character they're going to play.
But then when they go home at night, they're the actor.
They're not that character.
Well, sometimes you get so much into your character while you're doing the play that you begin to take on actual thoughts and characteristics and formations of that character.
And that hangs on with you a certain period of time.
But as a consummate actor, when you're finished, when that play has done its Broadway run, let's say, well, you're going to start preparing a new one.
So there is some in between time, you might call it, between the two.
Now, what she was telling me was she was still very much involved with her identity as who she had been here.
And that is, in a sense, what brought her back to me.
I guess she thought of me.
I had been thinking very strongly of her after her passing.
And essentially, she wanted to let me know that, first of all, that she was fine and she was all right.
And this is one of the things that loved ones often need to know.
And a lot of communication, more or less, is really for this purpose.
What I want you to do, we've got to take a quick break here.
But when we come back, what I would like to know is how you are so sure, so pos, that that experience you had with your grandmother was in fact your grandmother and not some unknown segment of your own mind settling out with itself, so to speak.
So anyway, we'll be back in just a moment.
You're listening to Dr. Chet Snow on Dreamland.
I once had a cat.
This is going to sound stupid to a lot of people.
I don't care.
I once had a cat named Yesu.
Yesu was my closest friend.
And Yesu died in my arms.
And there are times when I have felt this cat's presence around me.
Now, I have no way of knowing, really, whether this presence that I feel are the memories kept alive in my mind and the longing that I still feel for this pet of mine that I was so close to.
And so, Dr. Snow, I'm going to ask you in essence the same question with regard to your grandmother.
How do you know what part of this was so real and so certain, or what even anecdotal proof is there that your grandmother was not a figment of your imagination?
So she told me they would be in the linen closet and they would be for me, and that that's why she'd come to me to tell me to pick them up, please, and not show them to my aunt.
One day there, and the weirdest thing is, I actually forgot that that's what she told me until we started going through the apartment, and my aunt said something about the sheets and the towels, and then it was like, oh, my God.
And then I thought, oh, well, what do I do?
And I said, yeah, okay, I'll take some of those.
And went in there, and there were about a half a dozen paperback books of various spiritual topics, including faith healing, a book on Iggy Casey, as I've mentioned, the medical psychic, Olga Warab, a very famous healer, a Ruth Montgomery book, a very interesting little collection that I still keep as, you know, one of my most treasured memories.
And the final thing was that the last time she came to me, which was about three or four months after this all started, she came to say goodbye, which isn't something that you might just think in your mind.
And she actually looked younger at that point than when I had ever known her.
And I don't think I'd ever even seen a picture of her at this age, which was about...
Well, what she said to me, and I asked her a little bit, not quite that way, but she said to me, we can be the age we want to be until we choose to release this image.
Actually, we bought a house in Sedona last year and, in fact, are on our way to sort of claim it after having been in Europe most of this year.
I was working on a new book over there, and of course, in the summertime, we spend three weeks or so to a month in England researching the fascinating crop circles each year.
And so I'm sure some of your listeners saw the 2020 segment that was recently on.
And I'm the guy in the pink hat with the dowsing rods.
Well, if you have a video, go back and look for the guy in the pink hat, and I have dowsing rods, and I'm going through it with my dowsing rods.
They cut out the interview.
They only interviewed Richard Andrews and a couple of the biggies that were there, of course, that's more or less full-time for them.
But we always spend some time there, and we're very happy to show some of those in the various lectures and seminars that I give around the country because I find that this is truly one of the great mysteries.
And to me, it actually has a very spiritual content to it.
All of this, of course, is in my book, Mass Dreams of the Future, which I wrote using some of the techniques from Helen Wombach, whom I was talking about earlier, and which we'll put in the address a little later.
We have available, and we'd love to have people get in touch with.
It's quite a reference book because it not only goes into the future life progressions of both individuals and groups and talks about the farther ahead future, like 100 years from now or 300 years from now, but it has a whole section on what are the ancient prophecies about the near-term future.
Well, actually, the whole first chapter of Mass Dreams of the Future, as any of my readers that are listening to you know, talks in some detail about those experiences that seem to start around 1996 with a major set of events in 1998 to the year 2000, and then actually some that continue on after the year 2000 up till around the time of 2012.
I haven't been in touch with him since we've been back.
We've only been in this country about two weeks.
We literally came back for the prophecy conference in Philadelphia.
I hope we'll get a chance to get into that because there were some very sobering reports, and I wanted to tell your listeners that out of this conference.
And there's been some that haven't formed islands yet because they're more of the oozing type.
But they actually saw that there were like thousands of these off of the west coast of South America.
And these are having a very distinct effect even on our climate, even as I sit here and we need to be prepared for a very cold winter across the northern part of the United States this year.
That there's new earth tremors around Vesuvius, and that is very, very important because in the sequence of events, if Vesuvius goes before there's significant earthquakes in Japan, it will mean almost like a jump start.
And I would think that that's even more serious than the worst case scenarios that I have seen with people.
Normally, the sequence begins with India, interestingly enough, goes through Japan, almost ricochets around the world toward Vesuvius and then Martinique and then North America, and particularly the upper northwest coast of America and the Los Angeles area, those two places, Washington State and Los Angeles.
Well, it's why we get along so well because I was seeing these dreams back in the 80s and then he got involved in the same thing and was seeing them again without having ever seen my work, I'm sure.
We've talked about this.
These independent corroborations are, well, they're a little scary, I agree.
Probably the most important person there was Danny and Brinkley, who's had several near-death experiences, and others, Tuita, who works with, she calls it the Ashtar Command, Norma Milanovich, who's well known in her work, and also myself and some others.
So I think, and a couple of people from the Native American tradition, Robert Ghostwolf out from the West Coast, what I felt was the most serious thing that came out of the conference was that the prophets are saying, wake up to the world.
Wake up to the world.
Wake up not only to earth changes and to the real need of the earth to go through a period in which there will be increasing turmoil from our point of view, but from the earth's point of view, this is a necessary readjustment, you might say, and a necessary cleansing.
But also to wake up to our spiritual reality.
And maybe that's hard to put forward in our society today, but I think it's really my grandmother even was saying this to me.
We need to wake up to who we are as eternal souls, as eternal spirits, however you want to define that.
And that's not a religious thing of one religion or another.
Ultimately, they all come together when you leave the body and you look at where you've been and you do a life review, as they call it.
As Danian says, I've gone through that review a couple times.
This is in no way to belittle anything you're saying, but perhaps bolster it in a strange sort of way.
I have a hard time buying what any single individual says, but week after week, I do interviews with credentialed people like yourself, Lord Michael Skyon, and a zillion others.
And collectively, there seems to be a single message about the coming changes, and that is extremely impressive to me.
You know, I am a collector of evidence.
I'm not necessarily a believer because I have not seen the things that you and others have seen.
But as I listen to so many like you, you all seem to be saying the same thing, and there is a collective message, and that is very, very important and impressive.
And let me just say, if people are interested in finding more out about that, they can send me a self-address stamp envelope for it when we do my name and address.
Also, I'm sure that the I Am America has an 800 number that I don't know, but they can call the 800 information.
Well, I think that what I advise people first is to really do a thorough house cleaning in your own mind and body and self and start to begin to, you know, now's the time to get rid of all of the sort of baggage,
yep, and the self-delusions that we carry around and start to really begin to think about what is serious for you, what is important and real for you in life.
And, you know, that's an important process to work on.
I recommend people to start getting into some form of meditation or prayer on a regular basis.
It's been well documented now in groups around the world that meditation in a collective sense can reduce violence, even random violence.
And we all know that this random violence thing is increasing just as the time pressures are increasing.
Well, I hate to tell you this, but the things that we see in America, and now I've just been back a couple weeks, so it's hard to get a real handle on it.
But here I'm near Washington, D.C., where you'd think, my God, it would be awful.
There are more violent acts of social disruption taking place weekly in the country of France that I've seen over the last six months than anything in this country going on.
They're on the brink of a civil war within their own society, a lot of it having to do with civil rights problems and massive unemployment.
And, you know, I've heard rumblings of civil war following the assassination of Rabin in Israel.
And that was an interesting answer.
I am a keen observer of what's going on in this country.
I flipped on a local news before I came in to the show tonight.
And it was a triple murder, I think, and a double murder, and another murder.
It's like they had the murder stories just lined up.
People blazing away at each other and killing each other in the city adjacent to me in Las Vegas.
And Las Vegas is no different than any other city.
Look around you folks.
It definitely is quickening.
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Whether it's France then or the U.S. you're looking at, it is well to be calling for people to meditate and people to get spiritually together and all the rest of it.
But if I were to be a dispassionate judge of whether it's going the good way or the bad way right now, I'm sorry, Dr. Snow, but clearly it's going the wrong way.
In other words, if our behavior is going to either lead us to the path of the gigantic changes or avoid them because of our spiritualism, we're doomed.
And as I say, having had the experiences I've had not only with my grandmother, but now with working with literally thousands of individuals in both the future progressions and their past life regressions, I've come to realize that this is not the end of the world, no matter what.
It was specifically written out in 500 and something at a council that took place in Constantinople where the emperor was very much also the leader of the church, and he was influenced by his wife, who had been a prostitute and had killed a whole bunch of people to get her way into power.
And she didn't want the idea that she might have to come back and, in the light of Christian teachings, own up to what she had done.
So she said, nope, the doctrine is that you can be saved on your deathbed as long as you believe in Jesus and say, I'm saved, that's it, and declare it to a priest.
And so that is what they declared.
The interesting thing is that the Roman Catholic bishop, the Roman bishop, was in jail, and he never signed the document.
So it's a kind of funny thing in the Vatican, they know this, but they don't put it out publicly.
Dr. Chet Snow, just back from France, is my guest, a doctorate in sociology and history.
And man who's talking to us about, well, this evening, prophecy, which is a fascinating area, based on future life progression and worrisomely in agreement with a lot of other people who have recently predicted near-term events.
And we'll get back to him in just a second.
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Before we go to the phones, which we must soon do, I've got a couple of facts questions from Jodi in Hawaii.
If people can reincarnate and grow in each life, can they reach the stage where they do not have to reincarnate and can retain their consciousness, literally becoming immortals in a sense?
The human cycle is one of parts of much larger cycles, apparently.
And the answer to that is, yes, people do reach a stage that they have a choice about reincarnating in the earth plane as human beings or not.
Many of the spiritual traditions, like the Buddhist religion and all, talk about this.
And some of these very enlightened beings, because you can imagine that you'd have to be pretty wise and have pretty well got it down by that time.
And what you have to get down is the law of love more than anything else.
They voluntarily agree to come back and help teach until everyone who's on, we'll call it this life wave, this sort of wave of souls here, has a chance to reach that point.
And others choose for their reasons to go on and experience the life force in a whole other dimension that is really beyond our ability to even conceive, I suspect.
Edgar Casey said that basically the souls that are here on the earth plane and going through the human experience all were formed together.
There are new souls being created for other systems in this universe and other parts of this physical creation.
The reason that we have more now, or seems to have more now, is two.
One is that souls choose to come back at varying intervals, and the intervals are growing shorter.
And they have been growing shorter and shorter in the last several hundred years as we're coming up to the end of a certain number of cycles.
And you might call it a graduation or a harvest is what I call it, what I was given in my book about this.
And the second thing is, and this is a concept that is out there, and it does seem to be true.
I've had some experience with this myself, is that we have at certain times as we go through our evolution the ability to incarnate in more than one body.
And especially when more bodies become available, as when population goes up due to medicine, due to science, due to all the positive things about our civilization.
And, you know, I don't think it's all negative.
I think we have to applaud humanity for some of the things that we have done here on this earth.
And so I'm not a Luddite or a...
You know, it's not all bad.
There are bad things about certain parts of it.
But anyway, so actually, some of us, and this seems to be the case of many people in the Western world, are really experiencing two, three, maybe four lifetimes at once right now.
I've ruminated about this, and at times I've thought there are people roaming the planet now who damn near seem soulless.
In other words, human life is worth nearly nothing.
People who would go into a 7-Eleven and take what money was there now will take the money, and just for the pure joy Of it, or because they want to take life, or because they don't care about life, they'll shoot the guy.
They'll take his money, and then they'll shoot the guy when they don't need to.
These are people, it seems to me, almost without souls as I think of them.
One of the prophets at our convention was saying that there has been something, she could only see it as a wave of evil that has been sort of loosed here for testing in the last few years, and it is actually accelerated.
And this is very eerie because this was, what, 10 days ago, she said that it was unleashed for the month of November.
That there would be violent acts that would catch everyone's attention in the month of November around the world.
Well, Doctor, we have come a long way from Maurice Bernstein, Bradley Murphy requested back in 1953.
Get absolutely.
Now, over the last 10 years, a broad question has been talked about.
A lot of incredible incidents happen on this planet, like the Challenger explosion, the German Wall coming down, communism disintegrating, Oklahoma bombing.
How come nothing has been predicted in laboratory conditions?
Well, Dr. Moody's work with the psychomantium isn't laboratory conditions either, but what it is, is it's creating a space in which someone can get in touch with people who have gone on, who've made their transition.
Yes, I suppose so in that he has put together a certain number of physical attributes to like certain things in a room and a chair placed at a certain angle and is getting pretty good success with this.
Well, in terms of that, and then not just that experience, but a whole series of experiences since then.
As I say, working with literally thousands of either individual clients or in the regression, progression seminars that I do around the world, and I've been doing this now for almost 10 years, these seminars, trying to help people to get in touch with that part of themselves and actually taking like a gallop pole of the subconscious.
That's what Mass Dreams of the Future is all about.
No, no, because she was following through the normal process.
A ghost is someone who gets stuck.
And actually, their soul may have gone on, but the energy is like, think of it like a tape loop that keeps playing and playing and playing and playing.
More the second than the first, although there are a few cases that the person's emotions were so disturbed by what they went through in their life that actually a part of their, let's call it their life force, has remained, is stuck in a place.
I guess what he's referring to is that he can't go anywhere, someone that can't go anywhere without being bombarded by sensory input that seems to come from the past.
And without going into details and boring you with the details, it was a near-term thing where I was sitting and wave after wave, almost like ocean waves, washing over me, told me somebody was going to hit my car.
Went to the window, looked, no problem, sat back down, watched the news.
More waves, overpoweringly so.
And I had, it forced me to get up and I went over to the window and I watched a guy walk down the walkway, get in his car, put it in reverse, hit my car.
And it so frightened me that I fell to my knees and I got up just in time to yell out the window, hey, I saw that.
Right, so you took action, and that's the key to having these kind of, you know, your case was a very good one because you took action.
That's the key that I would say to the young man who phoned.
When you have these overwhelming, powerful future visions, especially if they're of a negative character or nature, you need to take some kind of action in your life, whatever it is.
Even if it doesn't change what's happening, it's very important that you reassert your free will, your control over who you are and who you're like, what your life is about.
I do not believe that we are just puppets on strings in all this.
If I did, I'd have moved to that farm in Canada I saw in the book and forgotten the rest of it.
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My take on this is that when we started this research, which was 10, 15 years ago now, Dr. Wombach started it, no one in the public was talking about these things.
And in fact, these were the incidents of literally hundreds of people quite independently that were coming up with this as the scenarios in their unconscious.
And so now I see it as not so much that because people are talking about it, we're creating it, but in fact, it is coming to light and people are becoming aware of it because it is coming so much closer to it.
I personally feel that it's very important to look ahead so that you get a glimpse of what might be and then you can make choices that are informed choices.
See, I believe in information.
That's my, I guess Helen Wabach said I have a research bump somewhere up there.
I've looked for it.
My wife hasn't found it yet, but we're still trying.
My comment is, Artist, I've been listening to you for a long time, and it's really wonderful to hear the format of your programs change ever so, evolve ever so slowly into something that covers many of the areas that we're covering tonight.
And Dr. Snow, if I may ask you, you spoke about the benefit of meditation, and I am a practitioner of meditation and have been for a long time.
I follow a form by the Marishi.
And I was wondering if there was any particular type of meditation that you suggest, and could you expound a little bit more the benefits for the entire planet?
The benefits, of course, come in many different parts of your life.
I find people who use my tape tell me that they have psychic development take place, that they have, I've had people tell me that their sleep patterns improve.
A lot of people are having sleep trouble right now because of the energy changes that are going on.
I have people tell me that their perception of what is happening in their life improves.
My guest is Dr. Chet Snow, a doctorate in sociology and history.
Not bad, huh?
And he espouses, teaches past life regression, future life progression.
It's all very interesting.
And we're beginning to sort of get a meld now into prophecy, which I find very interesting in view of what near-term prophecy seems to be saying.
i've got a new suggestion for you about what you can do with your old portable telephone you know those old Scientists in Ohio are performing DNA testing on hair samples found in Washington state that are reportedly hair samples from Bigfoot.
Been following that a little bit lately.
So they've actually got some hair samples and they're looking at them.
Well, I would say that probably 95% of the human race has believed in something that couldn't be materially proven for an awfully long time, one way or another.
You know, we don't have any video of the cross, do we?
But I don't want to get into that in jest.
I think that what happens is that we all live through a series of experiences.
And our experiences are what make up the reality pattern that we then live in.
And then we test those experiences, don't we?
And we test them against other things in our life.
Does that make you a better person?
Does your life go about better, etc.?
Are you happier for the result of what's happening with you?
Doctor, let's read between the lines of what he said here.
Assuming intelligent spirit beings are at work, they can mimic anything.
Yes, even his mother or grandmother.
All right, read, I'll tell you how I read that.
I read that as this is a Christian, a very devout, religious person, and what he's saying between the lines is, how do you know that wasn't some sort of evil spirit mimicking something or another?
And that's what I'm sure of it.
I'd bet you a million dollars that's what he's saying.
After all, write what it says in the New Testament about that.
And, you know, I'm just putting that out there in the same vein, in the same light.
So test anything.
And I would say to someone who has a spiritual experience or spirit experiences or abduction experiences or whatever, test it against what happens in your life.
I later went back to school after the things that I was talking about earlier in the program occurred about 12 years ago in counseling.
And I am actually a regression therapist, the person who helps other people to get in touch with their spiritual reality through what we call regression therapy.
Well, I've had, I wouldn't say chronic, but I've had many deja vu experiences.
And another thing that I wanted to ask you about, if it's in this, uh, in your field, is I've had, I guess you would call it, uh, like telepathic projection experiences.
Uh, all through my life, there's been several occasions with certain people that I seem to have a connection with, whereas I would be thinking about something, you know, thinking about doing something or thinking about something, and somebody else would say it or suggest it right after I was thinking about it, although I wasn't, you know, consciously trying to make them say it.
Oh, I think there's no doubt but what it's possible to influence others through the power of the mind.
That's where some of this, you know, stuff about evil spirits and things come from.
A lot of it comes from human minds and the garbage that we inhabit.
Now, I'm not saying that's true of this gentleman.
Sometimes it may just be random thoughts, but if you're thinking them and you're on the same wavelength, if you're resonating on the same vibration as someone, especially someone that you may be close with or you know well, oftentimes I will find that people start a sentence that I will finish, or I will have finished it in my mind, and that's what they said.
That, as I say, usually shows that you have a certain vibration or resonance with that other person.
Now, that's not any cause for alarm unless it becomes uncontrollable again.
And then what I think you need to do is you need to sit down and begin to rethink what your purpose is and who you are and, you know, is it serving you?
Is this doing something that's of a positive nature for you?
When I look around the world now, and maybe I'm too close to the news and too close to events, but I see the deterioration, the evil aspect of human behavior, to be completely overwhelming the good.
And that's a very dark thought, and I'm sorry I have it, but it's what I see.
Well, it may be true that people in the news profession, after all, you kind of come along as frontline warriors and all of that stuff, and you have to listen to all the negative things.
One of the things that people have been asking for for a long time is, wouldn't it be good if some of the positive news that's going on in the world were given the same amount of play as all of the negative news?
And of course, being a therapist and someone who works with people who have taken a step, obviously, toward self-healing, I see people coming toward greater and greater integration in themselves and in their lives.
And so it's a very different perspective.
One thing I might say, though, is that the darkness of the shadow, in part, depends on the brilliance of the light.
I don't say that I look forward to them and welcome them any more than I would look forward to, you know, having to have heart surgery or something and welcoming it.
I see that at least some of this is a necessity that we're going into.
I still feel we have the possibility of mitigating some of these changes so that human life doesn't that the earth and we human bacteria, we're like bacteria to the earth, right?
We need bacteria in our stomach, and yet If we get too much of it, what happens?
We vomit.
We have to get rid of some of it.
So, not to say that everybody is liked it, but there's something about that in terms of the earth itself.
And I think we're coming to realize that we can't just keep going.
It will not just be bigger, better, bigger, better.
Use more resources and let technology solve it all.
There are limits to these things, and we're coming near those limits.
There's a whole talk of what is called the photon belt now and our going through a new kind of part of space and consciousness that's going to make time accelerate even more than it does today to the point that everything will sort of be all light or all darkness or all stop.
Well, the same thing without the words was being developed in the 60s and Dr. Wombach was receiving this kind of information in the 70s.
And again, in Mass Dreams of the Future, we go into discussion of that.
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I want to come back just for a second, Art, because I think one of the things that you're kind of dancing around and other people on this is, are there any solutions?
That's the real crux of the matter here.
Are there any solutions to this?
Well, I don't know if there are any physical solutions to earth changes.
And so we'll be right back, and I'll let you answer it.
For my part, in the old days, you remember the high and mighty?
The point of no return?
I think it's been passed.
But that's the dark side.
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All right, let me stay in my cynical mode for a moment.
There was a movie that I saw when I was very young called The High and Mighty.
And it was a particularly well-done drama about an airplane crossing the Atlantic.
These were prop planes, and these were the days when you had so much fuel on board, only so much fuel, and somewhere around mid-Atlantic, a little red light would come on in the cockpit, and that red light would mean, when it came on, that you had passed the point of no return.
In other words, whatever happens, you no longer have enough fuel to go back to your work.
You can only go on to your destination or some other landing point.
In that case, of course, going to Europe, Dr. Snow's done that many times, back and forth and back and forth.
You can only go on to the other side.
And the analogy I'm giving you, all, and Dr. Snow, is the darker one.
I think that humanity's little red light popped on some time ago, Doctor.
I want to make a sort of prophecy on this for your listeners.
I think that the little red light will go on in 1996 if one of these four events takes place.
I'm not saying they will take place, but this is why I like to say to people, look at the sequence.
If there is a major quake, earthquake in India or near India, if the Pope dies or has an incapacitating stroke that he is no longer in charge of the Roman Catholic Church, if the right wing takes over the government in Israel, or if the Islamic fundamentalists take over the government in Turkey, if one of those four things happen, I agree with you.
I'll wait for the jury because those are from my knowledge of prophecy and from the research that I've done and the listening to other people, as you say, like Gordon Michael Scion and Laurie Toy and the other prophets at our prophecy conference, and we're going to have another one next year in Phoenix, I believe.
All of that brings me to those points.
If those types of things happen, and those are very specific ones, then you're absolutely right.
Then what do we do?
And I want to talk just for a minute, one minute about some possible solutions that may surprise you, Art, because I think that one of the first things that we have to think about doing, and this is a real key one, is we've got to start downsizing government.
We've got to start building self-reliant communities.
We've got to start learning from native peoples.
And finally, and this is maybe my part, we've got to start doing collective spiritual work.
Yeah, I was kind of there, you know, since everybody seems to be coming off with this doom today approach, you know, you know, I'm thinking we might have a more exciting time, a better time.
Remember that we all chose at some level of spirit or soul to be here for this particular ride.
I think that, as I say, you know that my point of view is not as perhaps gloomy as Mr. Bell's at the moment, but I think that there are things that we can do to help mitigate these and also to prepare.
You've got to do both at the same time.
Self-reliance is a key thing, what's called downsizing.
Learning how to do certain things that we've kind of given up doing anymore.
You might tune into your grandparents if they're still around, or if they're not, some other people who know how to do certain basic things alike.
Government to sustain itself, much like actually communism to sustain itself, had to expand because otherwise the economy, you know, without expansion, the economy, which it did finally, because we kept them reined in, collapsed in on itself.
That is true, I believe, of any government entity, and ours is no exception.
That's fine.
I'll let you be the good guy, the positive thinker, and I'm going to sit here and be the hard, cold-bitten realist, I'm afraid.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Snow.
There's been doomsday prophets for 5,000 years or more, and we need to get away from that.
I'd like to ask if there are a deadline, and argue I'd ask of all these prophets is there a deadline after which these predictions will not take place and will they come back and apologize to everyone and say well we're sorry that these predictions were wrong like you know December 31 1995 well he is not saying that they're absolute so I doubt that you would get that from him although he did give us a date doctor you said in 96 to 98
As far as these were the visions that were given that I had 12, 15 years ago, whenever that was, in 1983 and 84, I also had them out the mid-1990s and seen the great weather changes and the weather going to the extremes.
The main talk of political things had to do with the Yugoslavian Civil War.
I also saw some things having to do with what I was calling the Soviet Union that don't seem to be taking place.
So I think that in any case, these scenarios are being seen by more than one person.
None of it is 100% accurate.
I would be the last person to say that it is written in stone or in concrete.
My whole work for 12 years has been to help people, in my opinion, in the way that I can do it, to begin to change their lives individually, to work better for them.
And by doing that, hopefully, I feel, adds some light to a situation which, regardless of whether we talk about it or not, is something that's happening.
consistent with my theme tonight somebody sent me a bumper sticker that I really love by Fax due to present economic difficulties the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off all right all right east of the rockies you're on the air with Dr. Chet Snow hello hi I'm calling from Houston Houston yes ma'am I've got a question for Chet it says in some reading I've done on Edgar Casey that the possibility exists
Well, Edgar Cayce was tapping into a higher self, or he called it the source, and he definitely identified it as being connected to himself, but also at some higher level.
You know, Jung talked about a collective unconscious, that we all share certain information that goes beyond what we know consciously.
So I think this isn't just collective consciousness of human beings.
I think there's more at stake here, and what I have seen with people who are working, you know, literally as prophets, I think that they are in touch with some other forms of intelligence.
Whether or not then you want to go and judge those as positive or negative, again comes back to the fruits of it, how it operates to help you.
But these are wake-up calls.
All prophecy is a wake-up call.
It's not to make it happen.
It's to help you understand why it might happen, and then, just as in the Bible, help you to do something to keep it from happening.
And again, I can't feel like Art says that it's all over.
I think we've still got a fighting chance, and I'll probably feel that way, and, you know, until I go under in the earthquake, if that's what's supposed to happen.
finished all I said was I think the red light has blinked on okay okay I think there are things though as I say again we can do about this and we are starting to do about this and maybe your show is one of those catalysts that's why I think it's a privilege to be on it well I'm glad you're here east of the Rockies you're on the air with Dr. Chet Snow where are you calling from please Columbia Missouri good welcome to the show you're on the air I wanted to ask Dr. Snow and yourself on this quickening is there some
source where we can get the chronology of quickening events like earthquakes volcanoes well oh yes sir they are available from many many sources and what you can do is go to USDS you can study the number of six plus six point plus earthquakes you can look at the activity of volcanoes around the world right now you might look to the record of hurricanes this year predicted by Mr. Scallion
might say very accurately.
You might look at the present condition generally of the ring of fire.
You might look at current social conditions, and you don't have to be Einstein to read the number of doctors, stand by a second, to read the number of stories about mothers putting their children in ovens and throwing them out of windows while on crack trips.
You might look at the world economic situation, our present debt load, where that's going economically.
You pick the area, sir.
Is there one specific compilation of chronology of these events?
These are simple observations that I've been making during this show for as long as I have.
It will be 9830.
There used to be, again, sticking with my dark theme this evening, there used to be an expression of honor among thieves.
And it's something I pointed to earlier.
There have always been murderers.
There have always been evildoers.
But in today's world, I note that, well, there was a day when somebody would go into a convenience store or store and rob the store and back out and take the money and run, hoping not to get caught.
Today's thief, more times than not, goes in, takes the money, and for now, no discernible reason or just to many times they will say just to know what it feels like to kill put a bullet through the owner human behavior has changed life has cheapened.
And in part, that may well be that we're so many of people today have grown up with all of the violence on the media and also the sort of comic book-like characteristic of death.
And it's become sort of common.
And the other thing is that most people won't have real death in their families anymore very often.
That's a strange thing.
We all used to live with our grandparents growing old and dying in our house.
I was wondering if you could tell us, I've heard stories that Abraham Lincoln foresaw his own death and that Lincoln and Kennedy's assassinations and deaths had a lot of similarities.
Oftentimes, people of that kind of stature, Lincoln was a very spiritual man and had a lot of connections, and he did have a vision, apparently.
The interesting thing is he didn't really recognize himself in the vision.
And again, I would say that he didn't take any particular action on it.
So he was given what you might be called a warning, and he didn't do anything.
And therefore, he went ahead and the line of fate or destiny or whatever took him down the road that he went.
His death and Kennedy's had some similarities, of course, in their effect on the country.
The fact that they were both elected in an even year, 1860 and 1960, they're 100 years apart, in other words, and that both of them were very contested within their own party before they were first elected.
And they had, as I say, a tremendous impact in their life, and then particularly in the fact of their death.
I was not saying that all spirits are simply recordings.
I was saying that the ones that we perceive of as being ghosts are those that, in a sense, it's something that gets stuck.
I do not believe, however, that getting stuck then takes the entire life, spiritual energy of the individual and keeps that individual there forever and ever type of thing.
The main force goes on into the light and then on from there.
But part of it is remaining, and then we see that like a tape loop, as I said.
Well, I'm not perhaps of his political or religious persuasion entirely, but yes, I have studied all of that.
It is in my book, Mastery Into the Future.
Most of that, I do feel, has some basis in fact.
And in fact, I think that one of the most positive and wonderful aspects of these changes are that they will lead us into a world in which there will be a return of something we can, you can call the Christ force if you wish.
Other people may call it the Buddha force or whatever.
But there will be the return of some spiritual consciousness of God to the earth and to a very changed world.