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unidentified		Welcome to Arc Bell, Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast A.M. from November 6th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, we bid you all good morning or good evening across all these many time zones from the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands where you can kind of draw a mental picture of the beauty all the way across this great land and then into the Caribbean and then the U.S. Virgin Islands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		South well into South America, north to the pole.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		Good morning.
		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		231 million largest overnight drug show in America.
		And it is my distinct pleasure to welcome back an old friend.
		KSB.
		Mighty KSB in St. Louis.
		550 of the 5,000 big non-directional watches serving all over the place.
unidentified		Good to be back.
unidentified		Good to be back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm sure we're going to be hearing this morning from St. Louis.
		Well, it's all been one trick pony news-wise all weekend.
		Incredibly, the assassination of Yitzhak Rabib, Prime Minister of Israel, was buried today.
unidentified		Still in my time zone today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he was shot, assassinated by a right-wing Israeli.
		Some right-wing Israeli student who didn't like his relentless drive for peace in the Middle East.
		Israelis are nearly evenly split right down the middle on the issue of whether to make peace with her Arab neighbors or not.
		Most of America's government, frankly, went over for the burial.
		Particularly two ex-presidents and our current president.
		But Israel is split, particularly the Syrians over the Syrians who want Golan Heights, of course.
		And you recall that Israel once before took a brutal, relentless pounding from the Syrians from the Heights, so they don't want to give it back, and I can't blame them.
		Many other Israelis feel the territories are holy and don't want to give those back either, and regard those who do as traitors and regarded Yitzhak Rabin as a traitor, basically.
		The assassin was without a doubt one of these people.
		He was a lone assassin, although there is late news breaking that his brother may have helped him out, made some modification to the projectiles, the bullets that killed Yitzhak Rabin.
		The initial reports of Mr. Rabin's incident, death actually, were interesting.
		First, they reported he had not been hit.
		Then they reported he had been wounded.
		Then they reported he was in surgery.
		Then they reported his death.
		Now, Libya and Iran both issued statements celebrating the assassination.
		The Likud Party, headed by Benjamin Netanyahu, is being very diplomatic and says they will vote for Shimon Peres, you know, for a continuation of government.
		At this point, they'll have elections in 96.
		So there you go.
		I have a lot of questions about this, and I've thought very hard about it all weekend.
		And one is, will this derail the peace process?
		Well, Simone Perez says no.
		They're going to go forward.
		So if your answer is it will not, then the next question I have is, do you expect a civil war in Israel?
		You have a country now divided, interestingly, just very much the way we are.
		How many of you were alive during the assassination of President Kennedy?
		I was, of course, in the Air Force when it occurred.
		And it bruised America's soul.
		And that bruise remains today.
		And it seems to me that what has occurred in Israel is going to bruise the Israeli soul, hurt their innocence just the way it did ours.
		And they're going to go on now to be split about what to do.
		Make peace, hold the line, they're split down the middle.
		So it's a big, it's an awful thing for Israel.
		It's an awful thing for any country.
		When your president is shot because somebody disagrees with him, it changes something about a nation's soul.
		It did that to us, remember?
		So those are my questions about what has occurred in Israel.
		Why what occurred in Israel has the same coverage here that the assassination, very nearly, of our own president did.
		I was amazed by it, frankly.
		Then, two, does it derail the peace process?
		I don't think so.
		Perez is going to continue.
		No doubt at his own personal peril.
		If you were an Israeli, would you give up the Golan Heights?
		In other words, which side would you be on?
		Would you be with the opposition party, or would you be pressing for peace, even with the Syrians, at the price of the Golan Heights?
		I think that I would be with Benjamin Netanyahu.
		I would be with the opposition Likud party.
		I sure as hell wouldn't applaud the assassination.
		As a matter of fact, Benjamin Netanyahu was not even greeted by the relatives of the slain.
		Refused to shake his hand, even though he didn't have anything to do with it.
		So, you know, if you've been watching television or watching the coverage, that is virtually all they've been covering.
		In a survey of the general public, Reuters News reports tonight that two out of three Americans believe in the existence of Satan.
		I wonder how many believe in the existence of God.
		Do you think it would be two out of three?
		You don't suppose more Americans would believe in the devil than God.
		More than one out of three people told, or 37%, said they had been tempted by the devil.
		61% of the evangelical Protestants said they had been tempted by the devil.
		Isn't that something?
		How many of you believe there is a devil?
		An entity?
		Apparently, two out of three of you nationwide.
		So there you go.
		And I've got a lot more, but not a lot more time, so we shall take a short pause here and do a little bit of business and be right back.
unidentified		1995 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Music
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a guest coming on in about an hour from Hawaii, the big island.
		I'll be telling you more about him.
		Subject, volcanoes.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		This is Mike in Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Mike.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		I'm a second-time caller, and if I may, I'd like to run across the board with three quick points.
		All right.
		First of all, with the Prime Minister's assassination, I don't know what's going to happen with the peace process, but I can tell you that when I heard the news of his death, I had a deep sense of foreboding, and I thought that we are in deep, deep trouble.
		And I couldn't help but think that his death in some way had to do with what you've been referring to as the quickening.
		The other point that I had, if I could jump across the board again, is close to your Halloween show you mentioned the Ouija boards.
		And the very next day, I wake up and I'm flipping around the channels, and not only are they selling them, but they're advertising them on TV.
		Really?
		And the advertisement that I saw had children playing with the Ouija board.
		And as I recall, the advertisement or the heading that gets you at the end is, it's just a game or is it question mark.
		And I thought that was interesting.
		And if I may, one other quick point.
		I saw on the news that where recent Bigfoot sightings in the Washington forest have been What I've heard is that they are going to use the DNA process on some of the hairs found in the forest where some of his sightings have been, and they're going to apparently use this DNA evidence to either prove or disprove, yes, sir, his existence.
		Well, its existence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know if it'll do that.
		It may prove the hair is, for example, human hair or animal hair, bear hair.
		Who knows?
		But that will not automatically disprove the existence of Bigfoot.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It'll be the, and I'm not sure what case it is from either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All very interesting.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Can I make one other quick point?
		Yeah.
		I am ready to choke out my postman because your book has not been delivered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, hang in there.
unidentified		I'm hanging in there.
		I'm checking my credit card daily to see if I've been charged.
		But every time the postman comes, he sort of looks at me with a leery eye because he knows I've been waiting for it.
		But I enjoy your show, Siri, and keep up the good work.
		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		I would say about 80% of the books have been delivered.
		You don't have yours yet, not to worry.
		It is on the way.
		They go book rate and so, you know, to some...
		Some things go and others take forever.
		I don't get it.
		Art, when are you going to run for president?
		Answer, never.
		You would make a great dictator.
		Well, I would that, yes.
		Your book is awesome.
		Thanks for the autographed copy.
		Keep up the great work.
		Good luck on your new radio station in Brump.
		Enjoy your days off.
		Tim in Irvine, California.
		Thank you.
		And yeah, I would.
		I think I would make a good dictator.
		I've got dictator blood in me, I know it.
		So do a lot of you.
		I've been told by so many of you that I am a dictator that I've begun to think, well, maybe I am.
		What would I do if I was dictator?
		Ooh, I'd make a lot of changes.
		Yes, Sir Reeser, there would be changes, I'll tell you.
		The Bell regime would be a far different place.
		But fortunately, you see, that's why we have the Constitution, and we have this great country.
		So people like me cannot contemplate, realistically, anyway, such things.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, I'm calling from Rochester, New York.
unidentified		First time caller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, turn your radio off, sir.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's number one.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		It's off right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glad to have you, the big wham out of Rochester.
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		We just picked up our bell about a week ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
unidentified		Just wanted to tell them how happy we are with them and make a comment about Colin Powell and Satan.
unidentified		Not that they're connected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you do that all in one sentence or paragraph?
		All right, anyway, sure.
		Colin Powell first.
unidentified		Am I talking to her right now?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't see.
		We don't screen.
		It's something you've got to understand back there in New York.
		We don't screen calls.
		When I say you're on the air.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
unidentified		So what do you have, like a five-minute delay here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, five seconds.
unidentified		Oh, all right.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Seven.
unidentified		Sorry about that, Art.
		All right, let's get on with it then because I know how bored I get listening to calls where people say, is it you, Art?
		Is it you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Art.
unidentified		Colin Powell.
		Don't know enough about him.
		So I don't see how anyone can really say that he would win or should win or that they would vote for him because you don't know anything.
		I don't mean you, but the people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, your question is, why are the polls saying that he would win?
unidentified		It's off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why are the polls saying that he would beat Clinton and Dole would not?
unidentified		Wishful thinking.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is there so much...
		No, no, it's fine.
		You're right.
		And you really are right.
		Why is there so much wishful thinking?
unidentified		Because everyone's dissatisfied with Clinton and scared of what Dole would do if he got in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm not scared of Dole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just don't think people are excited about Bob Dole.
unidentified		Yeah, well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm not.
		So you're right.
		Wishful thinking.
		It is a comment on the field of candidates out there right now.
		And I think Mr. Buchanan, I love Pat.
		I've had him on as a guest.
		I agree with him more than any other candidate, but the realistic political side of me knows if you say people would be scared of Dole, they would be scared to death of Pat Buchanan.
unidentified		He doesn't stand a snowball's chance in having Buchanan.
		I know.
		You know, I mean, he may be a nice guy and a faithful guy and all that, but just he ain't going to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		You're exactly right.
		All right, Abe.
		So then you wanted to come in on Pal and then the devil.
unidentified		And then the devil, again, stressing that there is no connection.
unidentified		But, yeah, I do believe in the devil, and I do believe in, you know, however you want to phrase it, a higher being also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could you believe in the devil without believing in God?
unidentified		Well, that's what my point was supposed to be, is I don't see how you could say one without the other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or is the inverse also true?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then can we believe that the number of people believing in the devil is also the number of people believing in God?
unidentified		I would think so, but I bet if you ask those people that they wouldn't want to admit that.
		It's always much easier to acknowledge the evil than it is.
		You know what I mean?
		Like, it's unpopular to say I believe in God, so people don't want to admit that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean the devil is politically correct and God is not?
unidentified		Well, if you want to.
		I didn't say that, but if you want to say that.
		I mean, do you understand where I'm coming from, though?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do because I just said that, you know.
unidentified		Okay, but, you know, I don't know what to tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, we're glad to be in New York.
unidentified		All right.
		And, Art, have a nice day.
		It's great listening to you.
		And Howard Stern, Baba Booy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Take care.
		Howard?
		What did I see Howard doing earlier today?
		Howard appeared somewhere in drag.
		And with his hair as long as it is, he probably looked okay.
		Baba Booy.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		My name's Chris, and I'm calling from Nampa, Idaho.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, hello, Chris.
unidentified		I was just calling in regards to the question as whether Satan exists or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't ask that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's number one.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The question was, the UP article, or what was it?
		Now I can't even find it.
		The question was whether the devil, whether you believe in the devil, and apparently two-thirds of the American people said they do.
unidentified		Well, the way I see it is, Reuters.
unidentified		The way I see it is by asking if people believe in the existence of the devil, they're really asking if people believe in the existence of God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
unidentified		And for people to think that the devil exists and God doesn't exist is, like, just doesn't make sense to me at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you've got evil, you've got good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you've got good, you've got evil.
unidentified		That's exactly my point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, have you been tempted by the devil, sir?
unidentified		Oh, all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		There's lots of evils in this world, and like there's forces other than yourself that can lure you to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of temptation do you think you might have had from the devil?
unidentified		I was tempted to use drugs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tempted, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you resisted.
unidentified		Yes, I resisted because I realized that it was ultimately wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then religion kept you away, in a sense, your belief in God, kept you away from scrambling your brains like on the frying pan?
unidentified		Pretty much, actually.
		Excellent.
		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		You know the commercial, right?
		Here's your brain on drugs.
		As a matter of fact, I've got something that simulates that very well.
		This outside part of it.
		Here's your brain on drugs.
		It's a cigarette crinkle pack.
		Try it yourself.
		First great, your brain on drugs.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
		Hello.
		About the Satan issue, I had an experience where I had a dream that Satan visited me and he followed me out into the waking world.
		And it's probably one of the most terrifying experiences I've ever had.
		Basically, what happened, the dream started, I was just in a knoll type of area where there was nothing but gray about.
		And I saw a figure approaching me, kind of like the intro to the old Twilight Zone where Rod Sterling would walk home.
		Oh, yes.
		And it was a very attractive man.
		I remember that he had dark hair and very dark, piercing eyes, but I don't remember very much else of his features.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No horns.
unidentified		And no horns.
unidentified		And not yet, anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did he have a little briefcase with a contract?
unidentified		No, not yet.
		He started talking to me, but as he spoke to me, his lips didn't move.
		And I only remember what it was sticking in my head.
		And I only remember basically that he did he make you an offer?
		Yeah, he was making me an offer, but it was a general offer.
		It wasn't, you know, if you'll do this, I'll make you the richest man in the world or anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, tell us.
unidentified		It was more like, if you'll come to my side, you will be prosperous.
unidentified		Because it was at a time in my life, I'm a physician, it was at a time of my life when I was trying to get into medical school, and everything was all hope and in the future, but nothing was really happening yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he knew that you needed something, and you might have been at a moment of weakness.
unidentified		Absolutely.
unidentified		I was at a weak point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, I am at a weak point in mine.
		I've got to take a break.
		You want to hold on?
unidentified		Oh, please.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll hold you through the break.
unidentified		I'll get you through medical school, kid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just sign right here.
		No big deal.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from November 6th, 1995.
		Goodbye.
		Transcription by CastingWords
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight at Encore Presentation of Coast to Coast AM from November 6th, 1995.
		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		American Cynical?
unidentified		Ha ha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's a fact that just came in, Dear Art.
		At least his, meaning Raveen's body, at least his body wasn't found in the park with a pony suicide note.
		Back to my caller.
		Doctor, it is, correct?
unidentified		Yes, this is Jeff from Memphis, WMC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay, Jeff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you are now a physician, full-fledged?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I've been in private practice for almost four years now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has it been lucrative?
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are we to know that you didn't cut the deal?
unidentified		Well, let me tell you.
		Let me finish the story.
		Okay.
		I was confused.
		You know, I feel like I'd just been awakened rather than I was in a dream.
		And the dream seemed too real to me, I guess, is why it confused me so much.
		And it was like I had no control of the subject matter or anything because I tried to wake up at that point because I had a bad feeling and I couldn't wake up.
		He repeated his offer, and all the time moved closer.
		And about this time, he was maybe 10 or 15 feet away.
		And I just got a real bad feeling about it.
		And since I couldn't wake up, I just started saying, no, never, absolutely not.
		And when I did, he started to change and started to grow much taller.
		And the horns did appear.
		He had ended up, after he finished his metamorphosis, he was at least 15 feet tall, had what they called a classical goathead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you beginning to change your mind at this point, thinking?
unidentified		I was beginning to get very afraid.
unidentified		I've never felt that kind of gut-wrenching fear before in my life or since.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you sure that you didn't say a little subconscious when you saw the horns, for example?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little subconscious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, what the hell?
unidentified		Well, all I remember is that I said, this is it.
		I'm done for.
		I said the wrong thing.
		And, you know, I thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where'd you go?
		He got cut off in mid-sentence.
		Just when we were getting...
		You got to call back.
		I didn't do that.
		Either the phone company did it or the devil did it.
		And some would consider there to be not a big difference.
		One of them did it.
		Art Bell, now several good faxes here.
		I feel that you are correct in saying the people are not excited about Bob Dole.
		I also feel that the reason that we're not excited about Bob Dole is that we are waiting for Newt Gingrich to announce his candidacy.
		Well, I could get excited about Newt Gingrich.
		I really, I really like Newt Gingrich.
		That's it.
		Whether he's going to get in, I don't know.
		He goes on, do I believe in God?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do I believe in the devil?
		Hell yes, says Ray from Bellingham, California.
		P.S. Love your book.
		And then this is the couch story of all couch stories.
		It just cleared my fax machine.
		Art, I mailed this up to town so it could be faxed to you.
		You said, go look in my couch to see how much.
		See, I found 78 cents in my couch last week, and I thought I would ask everybody what they found.
		Anyway, Art, you said go look in your couch, see how much you could find, report back to you.
		Well, I have a place many miles deep in the woods for trapping.
		I lent it out for a couple of years to a hip couple.
		Now you must promise not to tell anyone of my whereabouts, but you may read my finding.
		First, the couch is a deep seven-foot couch.
		It's good to sleep on, as many have.
		I have had it for twenty years.
		When I went digging, I first found a Smith & Wesson 44 mag.
		Next, halfway to the middle, I found a double plastic bag full with five kilos of pot.
		Seeing that I am not a user, I deplore youth getting this stuff, I buried it in my wood stove.
		Oh, I burned it in my wood stove.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At the other end of the couch, I found no change.
		But again, in a plastic bag much smaller, as I counted it, the bills inside came to $10,100.
		If I put it into a CD, the feds would snoop.
		The owners hope they're not listening.
		I've had it for eight years, so that is what I found in my couch.
		P.S., I have no electricity.
		I listen to your talk show on a battery-operated radio.
		And though he did include where he is, I will not.
		Now, what does that do to the average?
		$10,100, a Smith and Wesson, and a couple kilos of pot that he burned in his stove, probably stoning birds for miles around.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Art.
		Yes.
		This is Jeff from Memphis.
		I got cut off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did?
unidentified		What happened?
		I think the devil did it.
		Well, let me finish up real quick.
		And so I go to this terrifying apparition, and I did kind of want to capitulate, but I was so confused.
		I think that's what really saved me.
		And all of a sudden, I started feeling a light from behind me.
		I felt the heat from the light first, then I noticed the light shining on the backs of my arms.
		And I got confidence.
		I said, no, I don't have to capitulate to this bully.
		And all the time he's raging and gnashing of his teeth and telling how he's going to rip my heart out and do all these disgusting things to me.
		And I said, no, you're not.
		And I held my hands up as he approached me, actually, just physically to try to ward him off like I had any chance of doing that.
		And the light got very bright.
		Now, I have a background in my college education of a minor in classical Greek and Latin.
		And I started speaking Latin.
		Now, the unusual thing about this is I've never spoken Latin.
		I can translate it written barely now these days.
		But by that time of my life, I probably couldn't even do that that well.
		And here I was speaking it.
		And I do remember what some of the words were.
		Basically, I remember saying spirits of sanctus, which is Holy Ghost, and Deus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we've got to wrap this up.
unidentified		Anyway, and this blinding light came out of my hand, and he was gone.
		The devil was gone.
		And I woke up, and it was a full moon outside, so about half my room was lit up, and the other half was in complete darkness.
		The complete darkness, it was so deep you couldn't see an inch through it, and I got very, very afraid.
		I could feel a presence in the room, and so I started praying fervently, and over about a period of about five minutes, the darkness faded away, and it was white, and I could feel that the presence was gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excellent.
		Excellent story, Doctor.
		Thank you very much.
		The only thing I wonder, and I'm sure at times you wonder too, is you did, after all, make it through medical school.
		You are, after all, now making a very lucrative living in a private practice.
		Do you sometimes wonder, I wonder, whether in a weaker moment you did make some kind of deal?
unidentified		Maybe not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		I was a little surprised to hear you yesterday with the guest, Dr. Snow, of how you kind of disagreed with him, I guess, about this evil thing.
		But, you know, that's really kind of inconsistent of how you've talked the whole long, especially Gordon Michael Scallion.
		He also sees it as a transition, as a rising in vibration.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but see, they use all these flowery words.
		Gordon does it.
		Other visionaries do it.
		Dr. Snow did it yesterday.
		Transition, change, all for the better.
		But when you look at the maps that these people produce, you will see that probably nigh on to about a half or more of the population will die.
		Now, there are 260 million people in America alone.
		Do the math.
		That's a lot of dead people.
		Now, you can say, well, yes, but they're going on to a better spiritual existence.
unidentified		And maybe they are, if that should occur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it's still a lot of dead people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I think serving it up with these words of, but it'll be a good change and we should all want it, I don't know if I'm in that place.
unidentified		Well, that's what surprises me.
		Are you excited about what happens?
		I mean, it sounds like you're excited about what's going on, as opposed to scared or doomsday or that kind of thing.
		And I'm excited, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know what you mean by excited.
		I'm not in a hurry to move on spiritually.
		I kind of enjoy my life here on earth at the moment.
		And so if you ask me, would I like it to occur tomorrow?
		My answer is no.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if I were to ask you, I guess your answer would be sure.
unidentified		Well, yeah, maybe.
		All right.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		I gave an analogy yesterday.
		We had a Dr. Snow on, Chet Snow, and he concurred with the scallion predictions and so many others that there are about to be big changes.
		Well, they refer to these changes In sort of spiritual terms, I'm being a little more pragmatic about it.
		And when and if these earth changes occur, there are going to be millions that are going to be displaced and die.
		And I suppose you can sit back and take the bigger spiritual picture, but I'm not doing that.
		I'm saying, gee, it's going to kill a lot of people.
		And I'm being very straightforward about it.
		Maybe too much so.
		Maybe I'm not spiritual enough about it.
		Maybe I should be the one sitting here saying, yes, sir, I'm ready for the rapture or whatever it is that comes next.
		Take me up.
		But I'm not.
		I like to remain around for a while.
		I will say and repeat what I said to Dr. Snow.
		And that is, and by the way, I was reminded, you remember the movie The High and Mighty?
		It was about an airplane.
		I saw it and it impressed me as a youngster.
		I was very young.
		My dad took me to see it.
		And on the big screen, oh, it was very dramatic, very.
		And they would go from these tender little scenes to suddenly the noise of an airplane crashing through all the speakers in the theater.
		And it was a story about an airplane, I thought, crossing the Atlantic.
		I was corrected, crossing the Pacific.
		And in the days of early prop plane, trans-Atlantic or Pacific flight, there was something called a point of no return.
		Now with a modern 747, assuming it doesn't go into pieces in the air, there is no such thing.
		At nearly any point, they can turn around and have enough fuel to go back to the point from which they took off.
		But in the old days, there was a little red light that would come on in the cockpit, and it meant point of no return.
		In other words, you have now used up over half your fuel.
		So you have no choice.
		And if anything goes wrong, there is no going home.
		You can only go forward toward whatever is next, Paris, London, whatever.
		And I said to Dr. Snow, and I will say to you now, that I think humanity's little red light blinked on some time ago.
		And that is not to say doomsday is now or even around the corner.
		It is to say that we have now gone past the point of no return, socially, economically, politically, in every way you can imagine, and we are going to go on to whatever is next.
		Now, you can look at that in a dark way or not.
		I do not necessarily.
		I just look at it sort of pragmatically the way I am.
unidentified		Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from November 6, 1995.
		Coast to Coast AM from November 6, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, where are you?
unidentified		I'm west of the Rockies, buddy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I got that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where?
unidentified		Sacramento, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
unidentified		Yeah, hey, you know how long I've been trying to get a hold of you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
unidentified		Almost about two weeks.
		And then one night, late at night when I was coming home, around 1.30 in the morning, I finally got the 800 number and I was a happy camper.
		Anyway, I wanted to say to you, I agree with you on the quickening taking place.
		And I think it's something that's caused great contemplation in my life about my individual existence here on Earth and about what's going on around me.
		And I agree with you on your perception of the fact that I think that the quickening that's taking place is not necessarily a positive thing.
		A lot of people are going to be eliminated and kicked on over to the other side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, ultimately it may be in some sort of greater spiritual sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But my way of looking at it is a lot of people are going to die.
unidentified		I agree with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'd actually rather not be one of them.
unidentified		Make that a double.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really, you too, huh?
		Yeah, I'm enjoying this adventure, you know, the one I'm having now.
		I'm not ready to start another until I finish this one.
		And the final chapter in my book may have been written, but not in my life.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		I keep hearing about your book, and I've been wanting to wait and see if you can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I didn't mean that to be a book plug.
		I was just using that as an analogy.
		In other words, I've got more to do in life ahead of me, and I am not ready to call it quits.
unidentified		My question is, is that or no, not a question, it's just a general open-ended statement.
unidentified		I agreed with you when you said about a week, two weeks ago that Bill Clinton would probably do anything he would want he can to try to get reelected as president of the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sir, that was because somebody called up and said he was a communist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said, no, he's not.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, he's not.
unidentified		I agree on that.
		I agree with you on that.
		I think he would do anything he can to get re-elected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The communists had deeper principles than Bill Clinton.
unidentified		I agree with you on that, Anne.
unidentified		I was a.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're agreeing with me too much, sir, so I've got to go.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		You know, I don't know.
		I knew what the communists were about.
		Their agenda was very clear, very, very clear.
		And they weren't ashamed to say what it was.
		So I knew what the communists were.
		I know what we are.
		But I don't know what Bill Clinton is.
		I don't even think Bill Clinton knows what Bill Clinton is.
		So he's changing on everything.
		Now all of a sudden, well, maybe seven years we can do it.
		He's looking at the Republican welfare proposals now in a better light.
		The White House has been sending up flags saying He may be changing his mind and prepared to sign whatever it is that comes to him in terms of welfare reform.
		I really believe that if Bill Clinton needed to do it, he would declare himself a Republican.
		Maybe that's what Bob Dole has to fear.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Goodbye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Brother Bill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brother Carler.
unidentified		This is the River of Eagles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Eagle River, Alaska.
unidentified		Yes, this is the nation of Israel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		Have you ever heard of the Nation of Islam?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have, yes.
unidentified		Well, now you've heard of the Nation of Israel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard of that, anyway.
unidentified		Not to be confused with the state of Isn't Real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		How you doing, Arthur?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		Hey, um.
		Well, let's see.
		There's, um.
		Rabin?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, he's dead now.
unidentified		Ah, listen.
		Marvin Haya said that God wouldn't talk to such a fool as Yagala Amir.
		Because God wouldn't talk to such a fool like him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, the scripture says it a little arrogant for any human to decide who God would or wouldn't talk to?
unidentified		Well, yeah, because it actually says that the wise men of Zion will be confounded by the fools and the foolish things.
unidentified		Well, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Men say a lot of things.
unidentified		But what gets me is I, you know, this could come out sounding wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it seems to me like you're trying to say something and you don't know how to say it.
		What is it you want to say, sir?
		Just spit it out.
unidentified		Well, okay.
unidentified		You ever hear of the USS Liberty?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		I know all about that.
		Yes.
unidentified		34 of our servicemen were killed and 171 wounded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I recall.
unidentified		And Robert Strange McNamara called the planes, made the planes go back from the aircraft carry that was trying to help the Liberty.
		And then finally, they went out again and Johnson, President Johnson, called them back and said that Israel was too important an ally to us.
		And anyways, but apparently the orders came from Yitchach Rabin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're still dancing around here.
		So really what you're saying is you're glad Rabin is dead.
		You think he ordered the hit, in essence?
unidentified		No, no, what I'm saying is I'm not glad Rabin is, and I think it's a terrible thing, but I'm just saying that the scripture says that he had blood on his hands and that the wicked shall not enjoy the fullness of their years, that they'll be cut off from the land of the living.
unidentified		And I think he had the blood of our servicemen on his hands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what I think?
unidentified		And I think what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that a lot of people who have evil on their hands live very long, evil lives.
		But that however long you live on this earth is a very minor matter compared to what you face in eternity.
		So, you know, a few years one way or the other, sir, I don't think it's a big deal.
		And I don't think Rabin was cut down because he was the antithesis of evil.
		That's my view.
		And your view, frankly, was obvious.
unidentified		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from November 6, 1995.
		Keep on it.
		Thank you.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from November 6th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Some listeners can be so cool.
		Jim, for example, and a ham operator at that, says, Satan and Art Bell.
		It is obvious now why your affiliates are expanding and you are succeeding in your efforts.
		I'll bet you end up with 666 affiliates before he takes your soul.
		Yeah, thanks, Jim.
		Actually, when you think about it, wasn't Rush just about up in that area, 660 somewhere in there when he peaked?
unidentified		Ah, Jim, made the bird of paradise, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, in a moment, we're going to get eclectic on you, and we're going to the big island of Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you about it in a moment.
unidentified		I'll tell you about it in a moment.
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		Give me an overview of your perception of the occult.
jordan maxwell ▲ ● ▼		We know that so much of real, important information has been hidden purposely because the people in power always consider that kind of knowledge on a need-to-know basis.
		And you don't need to know.
		All you need to do is do what you've always done.
		Just watch the ball games and be entertained and watch television.
		You don't need to do any thinking and start questioning the powers that be.
unidentified		They don't want us to know.
jordan maxwell ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		America has been purposely dumbed down and kept ignorant because that just leaves the people at the top a lot of free room to do anything they want.
		I think that we have some extraordinarily powerful people who are not interested in money or power.
		They are after our very souls.
		Period.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of November 6th, 1995, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music Now, Dorian Weissel is about to be on the air, and I probably got his name wrong.
		It's spelled...
		Here's what he wrote to me in part.
		I have been encouraged by several people to contact UART.
		I've been documenting the volcanic activity at Kilauea Volcano on the island of Hawaii since 1985.
		He lives there.
		He has three books out on the subject, Fire on the Mountain, published by Chronicle Books, the latest.
		As a part of what I do, I work in association with USGS at the Hawaiian Volcano Observatory.
		I, as you, feel Gordon Michael Scallion is on the money, not only because of his presentation of sincerity, but because of the information that I am in contact with via my associations with scientists who work in the related fields.
		There are a number of very significant events that have already occurred in California that suggest not to those who, quote, feel, end quote, but those who quote think end quote, that the tectonic and volcanic events are changing in their nature very dramatically right now.
		Now, he spells his last name W-E-I-S-E-L.
		And there would be a lot of people out there, cruel people, I'm sure, who would pronounce his last name Weasel, but Weasel, he is not.
		Weizel, he is.
		Is it Weizel?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yep, that's the name.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		You got it right the first time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would imagine through school, Dorian, that you had quite a hard time.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you would believe it, wouldn't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yeah.
		Are you an original Hawaiian resident?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		No, I was born in Los Angeles and spent most of my growing up in Humboldt County in Northern California before I moved to Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which was when?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		In 1979.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		79.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		And actually moved here as a carpenter and became very, very fascinated by the volcanic activity and made a major jump in my life where I just weaseled my way into a profession other than the one that I sort of took up as a young adult, and that being specifically photographically documenting volcanic activity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How far are you from the Big Islands volcano?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I live essentially a quarter mile from the actual summit of Kilauea Volcano.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're kidding.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You live a quarter mile from the summit?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I live in a very small little village called Volcano, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Volcano?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Volcano Hawaii.
unidentified		What a nice accent to have for what I do, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A quarter mile from it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy mackerel.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		And if you're aware of the areas, the national park system has control over the summit area.
		And it's one of the most wonderful national parks I'd ever recommend anyone to visit.
		In any event, Kilauea is considered one of the most, if not the most, active volcano on the planet.
		And generically, we all believe Kilauea to be a very benign volcano.
		Those in this lifetime who have visited this area are usually greeted by activity if it's happening that they can approach in one way or another safely to some degree.
		But in reality, Kilauea is as deadly of a volcano in the long term, as any other of the stratovolcanoes around the Ring of Fire?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in its nearly constant activity, there's some lava flow right and smoke and belching and all the rest of it.
		So there's not much to the theory that you know, a lot of people, for example, with respect to earthquakes in the central part of California, think that if there are a lot of small earthquakes, that is cool because it is relieving tension and preventing a big slippage.
		Now, I guess that's not true in the world of volcanoes necessarily, huh?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Well, earthquakes have to be broken down into several categories initially.
		What is generating the earthquake would have to be brought in right off the bat.
		Like, if rock is moving, you have two rigid pieces of rock that are in some sense separate from each other and one moves adjacent to the other and bangs into it, it creates a ripple, a sound wave, an earthquake that travels through the ground.
		And we understand that one.
		When magma moves underground, it too causes sound waves or earthquakes, generates energy that has to propagate through the rock around it.
		And those two are in that same generic class called earthquakes.
		One of the earthquakes that are volcanic, if you will, or magmatic in their origin are usually in the form of tremor and have a much different signal if you were to look at this on the way scientists plot this information than a rigid earthquake that is a release of energy that's at a very specific instant and then dies out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got late news that there was a 4.7 tremor or earthquake, whatever you want to call it, exactly one mile under Mount Vesuvius today.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that could be in either one of those categories, but it was obviously volcanic in nature.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		But was a piece of the volcanic edifice slipping and causing an earthquake, or was magma intruding and causing the mountain to move aside to allow for this new material to enter into the mountain itself?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good question.
		All right.
		I take it you are a listener to the program, correct?
		Did you hear me read the special bulletin from Scallion the other night?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I am going to read it.
		Hang in there just a second.
		A lot of people have been asking me to do this, so here it comes.
		This was sent to me by Gordon Michael Scallion November 1st.
		It was a special bulletin.
		Blah, blah, blah.
		Let's see.
		Earth change activities continue to increase along the ring of fire.
		Already this year, the record for the number of yearly earthquakes greater than 6.0 has been broken.
		We still have over two months remaining in the year.
		I have been warning since 1993, I considered activity at Mount Poco, I'm going to call it.
		It's P-O-C-O-A-T-E-P-E-T-I, still can't pronounce it, in Mexico to be a precursor to quakes ranging in magnitude from 8 plus minus, plus or minus a 0.5 in the Mexico City region.
		On September 14th, a magnitude 7.5 hit near Mexico, the Pacific coast of Mexico, and October 9th, a 7.9 hit the very same region.
		POCO came to life, I call it that, in 94 and is now once again active.
		I consider the recent activity in Mexico as the beginning of a three-month window for earth changes to occur along the west coast of the U.S. Other events that send up early warning flares for me are the recent eruptions of volcanoes in Japan.
		They have triggered thousands of small earthquakes in that region and increased the risk of a major quake or blow-off that may occur in the region shortly.
		If my window is correct, time may be short for this and other predictions to occur.
		The following is a summary of previously published ECR predictions, Earth Changes Report predictions, for the 1995-96 timeframe concerning the U.S. Quakes to occur along the west coast of the U.S. in a domino fashion.
		High-risk areas, epicenters or areas affected by quakes are Palm Springs, San Diego, Sonoma County, the San Francisco Bay Area, including Sacramento, Oakland, San Jose.
		Some quakes will be greater than magnitude 8.0.
		Some seismic monitors will record earthquakes of 9.0 or greater.
		Will there be other early warning signs?
		I am watching Japan, the Indian Ocean region, Mount Vesuvius in Italy, and the U.S. Cascades region very closely now.
		Major activity in any of these areas would indicate potential earth change activity to occur within weeks, perhaps days, along a line drawn from Vancouver, B.C. to Eureka, California to San Diego.
		A final note.
		If you live in a high-risk area, it is better to be prepared.
		If the quake doesn't occur, it becomes a blessing, and you'll be better prepared for when it does.
		Even the scientific community is now saying the big one can occur now, any time.
		All right.
		Now, Dorian, you are caught up.
		There it was, a sort of a fast bulletin from Scallion.
		And what I would like to do is find out generally whether you agree with that assessment.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		That's hard to place.
		My business really is not in the futuristic, but in trying to articulate what information about currently what's going on and let individuals draw their own conclusions.
		What is going on is a very elaborate, dramatic story that is told by the earth.
		And if scientists were only savvy and telling the story, everyone would be totally attracted to what they have to say.
		But they really are just being scientists.
		And we really should be very appreciative of that in itself.
		In any event, the scientists that have spent a good portion of their time looking at the lower portion of what we call the San Andreas Fault put out a notice a couple years back actually spelling out the potential for minimally a 7.5 if not moving into the lower 8.8, 0.2 and 0.3.
		They published reports talking about an area that is running through the San Bernardino Mountains and specifically spoke about an area with a town called Wrightwood.
		And this was information that was published just after an earthquake that occurred that we all refer to as the Landers earthquake.
		Now the Landers earthquake, as far as I'm concerned, is probably the most significant earthquake that has happened in the latter part of the century.
		Why?
		Because of a few things that have happened at the exact instant that the earthquake occurred.
		Every magma body in the west coast, minimally, and there's evidence spreading further out, but every magma body along all the entire Cascade Range, in the Sierras, every known magma body shook at the exact instant of the earthquake.
		Not later, not as normal scenarios would have it, which is with the force leaving the point that it's released and propagating out and then reaching an area in which a magma body exists.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what does that mean?
		I've got you.
		So that is different than a normal earthquake.
		In other words, it was some collective event.
		Otherwise, all of these areas could not have shaken at the same moment.
		What does that mean to you?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me give you another component of its unusual behavior.
		Landers is located essentially at the southeast corner of the San Andreas Fault, where it comes up from the Baja and then turns and goes west into the LA area and then once again turns north.
		Landers is in the area where it comes from the south and then turns going west.
		And during the earthquake, at the incident of the earthquake, the earth ruptured for an area approximately 18 miles long in a track running north from Landers.
		Rather than along the San Andreas Fault, the Earth cracked open in a line opposing that strike.
		And the interesting thing about this is that crack has been interpreted as the beginning of the next segment of the continent being sectioned off.
		And all our lives, we've known that the San Andreas Fault is a line of demarcation between a transient piece of rock of the earth being the land on the west side of the San Andreas Fault, as opposed to what we believe has been the stable land on the east side of the San Andreas Fault.
		Well, scientists are believing now that this line represents the next section of the continent being sectioned off.
		Now, the interesting thing about that is that that line is in line with the backside of the Sierra Nevada range.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're really a quarter mile from the crater, huh?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that ever give you the EBGBs?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Never.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you don't feel like there's a chance of a blow-off there.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		This mountain is erupting, and so it's under the pressure, but the pressure is vertically, you know, it's coming up.
		Yes.
		If the mountain were to begin to drain, and it has done this repetitively throughout its history, the last time in 1924, but realistically in 1790, it blew its top off.
		Kill away, it blew its top-off in as dramatic, if not greater, a bang than Mount St. Helens when it blew off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I don't know a lot about volcanoes, but they form domes, right, at times, and then that creates, the pressure begins to build and build and build, just like in a bomb, really.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're thinking of what we refer to as stratovolcanoes or what you would understand as the volcanoes that occupy the entire ring of fire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Hawaii is a shield volcano, and essentially the magma is coming from deep within the earth rather than the source of magma in stratovolcanoes being more shallower magma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
		Now, we're very short on time.
		We're at the bottom of the hour here.
		Vesuvius, many, many earthquakes under Vesuvius.
		I saw a CBS piece about Sunday, a week ago, that said, and they showed an Italian geologist who said she thinks Vesuvius is getting ready to blow.
		Now, when we come back, I want to ask you about that.
		Stay right there, Dorian.
unidentified		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from November 6th, 1995.
		We'll be right back.
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		Tonight's program originally aired November 6th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here I am.
		My guest is Dorian Weisel, and he is about a quarter mile from the Kilauea crater.
		Active crater on Kilauea, on the big island in Hawaii, and he'll be back here in just one second.
		You know, he says he doesn't mind living a quarter mile from the crater, but somehow I don't think I could do it.
		I'd have dreams about waking up in the middle of the night to a sort of a sizzling sound, looking down and seeing hot lava all around my bed, filling up my house like water would fill a house during a rainstorm, slowly rising higher and higher.
		The bed catching flames.
		You get the picture.
unidentified		But I guess it's not that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just one little brief fact from Bryn Marie in San Francisco, who says, if the picture on a vase, people, can somehow glaze my ex-husband's picture onto the inside of a chamber pot, then sign me up.
unidentified		Good sense of humor, Bryn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back now to within a quarter mile of the Kilauea Spit Point.
		This is Dorian Weisel.
		Dorian, all right, we were, I was asking you about Vesuvius.
		Now, Gordon Michaelscallion warning severely about Vesuvius and Aetna.
		Last time, I had a message from him.
		He said, watch Vesuvius, watch Aetna.
		If there's any activity, it's meaningful and it will mean the beginning of a cycle.
		What do you think?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I haven't any reference points.
		It's so far away from me other than to say that Mount Vesuvius is known to erupt and erupt very, very dramatically over and over and over again.
		I'm sure all your listeners know the story of Pompeii.
unidentified		Yes.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Vesuvius covered itself in ash in 1906.
		It erupted during World War II in 1944, but just smaller eruptions.
		But it's known too as all those types of volcanoes that are associated with the plate interaction.
		They blow up very dramatically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess what Gordon Michael Scallion is prophesying is a total shift, a total change in the Earth's magma.
unidentified		And do you believe that to be occurring?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's maybe refer back to your long-winded interview with him, which I did listen to and recorded and listened to over and over again.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		And from what I understand, he specifically says at the root of all this is a shift in the inner core of our planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		With that in mind and passing that to scientists, dear friends of mine, seismologists, who at the first hearing of your interview with Gordon said, this guy's off the wall.
		But all of them came back within a week and said, you know, everything he says makes a lot of sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		But his presentation, his lack of speaking the lingo, if you will, makes him a little bit more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But see, he does not even pretend to speak the lingo.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		And more power to him.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		That keeps him clean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you speak the lingo.
		And let's find out what you've been doing.
		Now, you've written a book.
		I know you consult with USGS there.
		What do you do with them?
		Is it just sort of a friendship basis?
		Do you actually provide reports because of where you are?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		What I do is I document photographically for my own affairs, for my business, volcanic activity in Hawaii.
		And by doing so, and having spent a long time in working side by side with the scientists that also document that activity, but to them, photographs are a tool to document towards the documentation of the actual behavior of the Earth.
		But in keeping in close contact with them and also working in such as sharing camps and building camps for them and offering my services in any way I can, the U.S. Geological Survey is one of the most poorly funded branches of our government.
		And if anybody could do anything to help these people, I mean, they're almost like saints in some sense that they get kicked around by our Congress so repetitively and keep trying to do what is interpretive work for us as a population.
		In any event, I work with them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you about these saints.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If these saints were to learn that there had been some basic change in the core of the earth, would these saints tell us commoners?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
		I'm going to be real frank.
		If you want to explore that to you, just very briefly, there is a matter of disseminating information about an event that has occurred.
		And there's a matter about speculating on what might have or might be occurring.
		And in our government, we hold people liable.
		And in other governments, in other places, you go to a national park and you wander around, you go break your leg.
		That's your business.
		Here, we pay Rangers to keep you from breaking your leg.
		And thus, we bind and gag all officials in all capacities, public and private, in our society via our court structure, our laws.
		And these people have to behave in accordance with that.
		They're all employed by somebody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		So you are uniquely qualified to be able to say what you're saying without necessarily giving names and that kind of thing.
		But really that happened?
		In other words, you went to them with scallions.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I did not go to the government officially.
		I went to individuals that were environment, educational, and scientific and in the U.S. Geological Survey and asked them to review this idea that I am able to interpret.
		When he calls it wrong in a sense on details, it's obvious that he's just trying to fill in the gaps, but he has a very clear picture.
		And he shouldn't even have to try to fill in the gaps.
		He's just got a wonderfully clear picture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did they come back to you?
		In other words, these scientists, at first they poo-pooed it, then you say within a week they came back.
		And how did they approach you when they came back?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		In other words, they said this would be, this is something that from their perspective, in other words, in their way they focus on what they do in their trade.
		They never put these pieces together as loosely.
		They're more involved in the detail of a phenomenon.
		But given some time for some free thinking, rather than jumping at saying, no, that sounds very, very off the wall, they were able to say, listen, this isn't as off the wall as it initially sounds.
		It does fit what we know about Earth and Earth changes.
		All long-term geologic age changes on this Earth are known to occur dramatically.
		We do not have the rising and the falling of sea level happen over tens of or hundreds of years.
		It happens in five years when it happens.
		We have dramatic changes.
		The Earth is not perfectly spherical.
		It wobbles, and the forces have to be released occasionally.
		We know we have dramatic changes in the location of where our poles, our magnetic poles exist.
		We have dramatic changes in where our actual true poles lie.
		These are changes that don't come just over long-winded periods of time.
		These are changes that come very dramatically.
		Right now, with the addition of man, we can talk about some of them, but the ones that we're focusing on are ones that man really doesn't have an impact on.
		And yes, I see every sign that says in the areas that I focus on, there's a dramatic change occurring.
		I would like to put closure on the little scenario of the Landers earthquake in that strike of that new fissure that I spoke about going north from the town of Landers leads up the backside of the Sierras.
		And on the backside of the Sierras, there is another drama unfolding that other scientists look at, volcanologists, not seismologists, essentially.
		And that is the Long Valley Caldera.
		And the Long Valley Caldera is essentially occupied by Mono Lake.
		Some of us know that.
		Highway 395 goes through that region.
		Since 1983, that area has been inflating at a very large rate.
		Inflation is a term we use when we see the surface of the earth rise.
		And the reason it's rising there is because magma is intruding into the area.
		Since last spring or last winter, there has been a massive amount of volcanic gas issuing from the ground there.
		Enough volcanic gas to suggest that magma is getting very close to the surface.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Seems to me, I have seen some newspaper articles suggesting there's so much of it, it is killing trees.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I would believe that, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I've heard quotes that say there's more gas venting out of that ground there now than venting out of Kilauea here.
		And we can account for that gas coming out because we know the lava that's coming out is bringing the gas with it.
		And so we have a volume, we have a lava, we know, but we've got more of that same kind of volcanic and nature gas venting out of Long Valley caldera.
		Now, if you say that the Earth has begun cracking in a new place, in a new strike, and that strike is leading to an active accumulating magma body, that is two and two.
		The last time the Long Valley caldera erupted, it is, by the way, I believe, the largest magma accumulation, well, magma body in the continental United States.
		And the last time it erupted, it covered the entire United States in ash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, listen, I'm just a commoner.
		So's everybody listening.
		What's happening deep inside the Earth?
		I take it that you are one of the school that believes that there is a magma core to the Earth.
		There have been recent scientists who said, no, it's an iron core.
		You believe there is a magma core or a magma area within the Earth, correct?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		The Earth is divided up in the regions.
		The inner, inner, inner region is an iron core.
		That's what Gordon is talking about having moved.
		That iron core is spinning and it is inside of a magma body.
		It is suspended and held in the dead center like a top, right?
		A gyroscope.
		And in that dead center is an iron core, but it is surrounded by a very large magma body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what way down there has changed?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The metal core has changed?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		That's what Gordon's suggesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what he's suggesting.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		And that is what drives the plate.
		And he's right about that.
		That force is the core of why everything's moving around on the surface the way it does.
		So if it shifts slightly, it will cause a rapid change in the direction of all the plates on the surface of the Earth.
		And the associated changes in the climate, changes in the weather.
		And we, like I said, science, go to school, become a geologist.
		They teach you that geologic changes come dramatically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		this is the theater of the mind, radio, and so here we've got this iron core, and if it shifts to one side, then it puts pressure on the magma universally or specifically?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I almost see it more like we're talking about spinning objects, and there's a slight wobble, there's a slight outer roundness about the object itself.
		Yeah, which has to do a little release of the stresses that accumulate in the accumulated revolutions of the spin.
		And so it relocates itself, and because we're not in a true round environment, it can't get to perfect center.
		So this is something that would happen repetitively over very long periods of time.
		And there's a lot of reasons, esoterically, if you will, to believe that now is a time that it fits.
		And Gordon is just feeling something that someone else in a different vein would talk about in a religious sense or something else.
		But it's an accumulate, you call it the quickening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do, and I feel it.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And a lot of my listeners.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		And that applies for just stumbling out there and continuing to hold it up without.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, my neck's out there a million miles.
		All I can say is I feel it.
		I'm just being honest with people.
		But you listen to the program.
		You've heard a lot of other people feel the same thing.
		I don't have a scientific basis for it.
		You seem to have more of one.
		Would you agree that right now, as not in my memory, volcanically with regard to earthquakes, the Ring of Fire is certainly come alive?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		What Gordon said, what you said in his press release is backed up by all sorts of press releases.
		If people were just to follow the weekly, the little weekly report that comes out in People's Sunday papers, the Earthwatch report, you would know that they've been reporting the highest records of earthquakes per month in the six and above category all over the place.
		We are in a very heightened state of something.
		But that alone, I'm trying to point out for those in the California area that we're not just in a heightened state of having earthquakes generically, but those earthquakes are also showing us heightened states of dramatic changes.
		Gordon says the first break in California will essentially be along the San Andreas Falls.
		He in your interview said Eureka through Bakersfield.
unidentified		That's right.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		We had a series of earthquakes in the Eureka area that were given a name, I believe, a Ferndale earthquake or Lolita earthquake a couple years ago.
		And the aftershock sequence in that area has been very unusual in that there are all sorts of suggestions, going back to our defining earthquakes generated by earthquakes or earthquakes generated by movement of magma, there are all sorts of suggestions of magma moving in the southern Humboldt County to northern Mendocino County area ever since those two earthquakes a couple years ago.
		And this is unheard of.
		This is magma moving in an area that has never seen any magma moving underneath it.
		And I've also seen and heard talk of magma moving since that time in an area in southern Oregon that has never seen magmatic movement before.
		And this would be in keeping with Gordon's views, Gordon's feelings, Gordon's visions.
		And that's why I was compelled to communicate with you is because these are just pieces.
		And I would not want to draw conclusions for anyone.
		But with Gordon, with people, and I can feel them reaching through you saying, you know, we got that much, but, you know, I actually personally know people rearranging their lives based on hearing the interviews that you had.
unidentified		I know.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so let's try to get reasonable and mature about it also.
		So here are pieces.
		Magma moving at one end of what he sees has never been there.
		And these new cracks, the San Andreas fault moving on to a new segment, I thought were significant pieces.
		So I wanted to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I agree with you.
		Stand by, Dorian.
		We'll be right back to you.
		Dorian Weisel is my guest.
		He's a quarter mile from the crater at Kilauea, and he'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell Back now to Dorian Weisel, just a quarter mile from Kilauea's belching point.
		Dorian, we've only got a short time.
		I'm going to hold you over and have you answer questions of people who would like to call in and ask them.
		Sure.
		If I were to push you up against the wall, Dorian, and say, Dorian, what the hell is going on and when is it going to happen?
		For the audience that will be leaving us shortly, I have to do this.
		What would you say?
		I mean, what are we headed for in your opinion?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		How far shall I stick my head on the block?
		Well, okay, my opinion, and that's an interesting word, is that we're all here to go through this together.
		And that I'm Astounded that we're having such a flood of people being born.
		I mean, I actually think this is the most wonderful thing we can all do together somehow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's well, you sound like Chet Snow on Sunday.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I can't get your Sunday show.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can't get your Sunday show because it's broadcast in the daylight here and it doesn't travel at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
		Well, the thing is, and Chet is a great, great guy, Dr. Chet Snow.
		He too believes these changes are coming.
		He comes at it from a different perspective.
		And he too feels they're very positive.
		And I love that kind of talk.
		It's nice to hear, but bottom line is it's still going to mean millions of dead people.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		How many happy people are there today?
		Let's get cut to the chase.
		How many people are happy?
		And if you ain't happy, why in the hell are you alive?
		Bottom line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm relatively happy.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad to hear it.
		But I happen to watch a lot of suffering around me.
		And that's not just because I don't live in a suffering place.
		But if you turn on the news, what you get is images of people living in hell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		If you want to give another bend to your concept of quickening, you know, it's essentially what I believe I see all the people around me going through is an internal search for a betterment, a way.
		And they're still bouncing up against the wall.
		They're still trying their damnedest to be good people and somehow hitting hard.
		And to have so much hell on this earth, so many starving people, so many hurt people, so many people trying and not accomplishing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, look, listen to me.
		Listen to me, Dorian.
		We're at the top of the hour, so we've got to go.
		We'll sum up this hour by saying, don't fear the Reaper.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Amen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Amen.
		We'll be right back.
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		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from November 6, 1995.
		Coast to Coast AM from November
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		6, 1995.
		Thank you.
		You're listening to ArcBell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from November 6th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, it is.
		My guest, Dorian Moiselle.
		He is about a quarter mile from the Kilauea crater, the active Kilauea, on the big island of Hawaii.
		And while he dances a little bit, he stays put long enough to pin him down, too.
		And that's what I've now begun to do.
		Pretty obvious that he's been listening to the show for some time.
		He consulted with some scientists at USGS about Gordon Michael Scallion.
		Their initial reaction?
unidentified		Boulder dash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About a week later, he says, they came back and most of them, or all of them, said, well, maybe.
		And Dorian has written a book with regards, actually three books, the latest of which is Fire on the Mountain.
		Pretty good title for a book, huh?
		And we'll get back to him in your questions in just a moment.
		We are going to open the lines.
		I've got a cool fax for him here, too.
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		Give me an overview of your perception of the occult.
jordan maxwell ▲ ● ▼		We know that so much of real, important information has been hidden purposely because the people in power always consider that kind of knowledge on a need-to-know basis, and you don't need to know.
		All you need to do is do what you've always done, just watch the ball games and be entertained and watch television.
		You don't need to do any thinking and start questioning the powers that be.
unidentified		They don't want us to know.
jordan maxwell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		America has been purposely dumbed down and kept ignorant because that just leaves the people at the top a lot of free room to do anything they want.
		I think that we have some extraordinarily powerful people who are not interested in money or power.
		They are after our very souls.
		Period.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		A facts for Dorian.
		Art, the conversation is incredible.
		Please ask about the following faults, which opened during the Landers quake.
		Eureka Peak, Burnt Mountain, Johnson Valley.
		These all run parallel with the San Andreas, about 45 miles east of that particular fault.
		Next, will the Pinto Mountain Fault play in the division of earth and water?
		This fault runs east-west, parallel with the Joshua Tree National Park.
		Art, this is what I felt when I faxed you about well water rising.
		I believe the next phenomena we will see here locally is the heating of well water.
		What about the geothermal facilities running from Lone Pine to Imperial Valley?
		What about all of that, Dorian?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		The faults that he's talking about are where the earth is spreading in relationship to the movement of the San Andreas Fault.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		If you remember during the Landers earthquake, there was an earthquake that followed just thereafter that was referred to as the Big Bear earthquake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, oh, yes, I remember.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		And that fault was essentially 90 degrees to the fault, the fissure that I'm talking about having opened up, or almost, in a sense, creating a triangle between that north running crack and the San Andreas fault.
		Essentially, you can imagine how the Earth would, as it's trying to stretch, have to break up, because it's rigid, having to break up into these sections that are definitely in response to a bigger picture, i.e.
		these giant plates moving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, again, back to the bigger picture.
		What dropped my jaw so hard was Scallion said, watch Aetna and Vesuvius.
		Well, I got a newspaper article from Europe saying there have been many, many quakes suddenly under Aetna as well.
		And on the CBS piece of Sunday a week ago, they said they have now called for a voluntary evacuation of the area around Vesuvius where there, you know, 25, in 79 A.D., I think 25,000 died.
		There are now one half million people.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, the city of Naples.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess.
		All right, let's go to the phones.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dorian in Hawaii.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Chris, and I'm calling from St. Paul, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hi, Chris.
unidentified		Hi.
		We've been hearing a lot about seismic activity on the West Coast.
		And recently we've had some activity actually here in Minnesota on the Minnesota-South Dakota border.
		And we had some activity a few years ago in the same general fault area.
		Could you comment on this activity, Dorian, and predict or possibly explain it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Dorian, he is right.
		I've had a lot of callers from South Dakota, a lot of listeners up in Sioux Falls in that area, suddenly phoned in and said, my God, we're beginning to have earthquakes.
		And normally the Dakotas and Wisconsin, these are not earthquake-prone areas.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		No, actually, I believe they are.
		It's just that we're talking about time scale and that in the longer range picture, there's a massive amount of earthquakes that we know about have occurred over time back there.
		And it's just a matter of what's the mechanism involved in that because they aren't as frequent, the amount of study, I believe, hasn't been the same as we see in California.
		Going back to if the core of the Earth shifts, everything has to reflect that change.
		One of another clues that I would suggest everyone be attentive to is that for the last couple months, Yellowstone National Park has shown signs of potential renewed volcanic activity.
		And that's another key of something further east.
		I really don't have a larger view of that whole part of the world.
		It's just that these are unusual events in themselves, and they fall in line as pieces of the puzzle, if you will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, I know that you feel safe where you are a quarter mile from the crater.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if there was this giant shift of the core and magma shift along with it, is it not likely that Kilauea would, when this all begins, Kilauea would react as well?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Okay, the island of Hawaii, the largest island in the Hawaiian island chain, which is falled at the southern end.
unidentified		Yes.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		All the islands were made while the crust that they sit on now was sitting here.
		And because of plate tectonics, they've been moved away.
		Now, the island of Hawaii has been above The ocean for only a half a million years.
		But currently, the island is subsiding, losing ground, losing real estate at a rate of ten times greater than the amount of lava coming out of the volcanoes.
		So that's to say that realistically, we are not in our lifetime now seeing the normal state of affairs in terms of the geologic phenomenon here.
		It should be erupting minimally 10 times greater than it is.
		And the figures that we're talking about is over the last couple hundred years in terms of how much has erupted, not today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, this may also sound strange, but it's something I want to ask, then we'll go back to the phones.
		Is there a great deal of volcanic activity under the water?
		In other words, coming up from under the ocean?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Most of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		There are actually three kinds of volcanoes that are the main types, and one of them we do not see at all, and that is the mid-ocean.
		Well, we know the most, the largest one is the mid-Atlantic spreading ridge.
		But that is a seam that is almost like the threads on a baseball, you know, how they are continuous all the way around the ball.
		If you were to follow a map of the Earth and note all of the spreading zones, they're all connected and they really circle the entire Earth.
		And there's more volcanism there than anywhere else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see a thread.
		There was a story about a week ago of fishermen in the North Atlantic finding fish that ought not be in the North Atlantic.
		You heard about that?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't, but it makes sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A tropical fish.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fish that have been going north for some reason into cooler waters where they would not normally go.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Or maybe we might think of it in terms of the warmer waters going there.
		What's happening in the Atlantic is we all know about the currents circling the Atlantic and the sailors using them repetitively once they figured that out.
		Well, there is something going on in the mid-Atlantic, east of Florida, southeast of Florida.
		Something is spinning off all these weather systems.
		There is some change in the environment.
		I actually would take a really put my head on the block and suggest that all of the effluents being emitted by the exhaust systems of the space shuttle flights might have actually some direct effect there.
		We're emitting an awful lot of pollutants into our upper atmosphere at a horrendous rate.
		And so that would lead to, they say, a very large amount of ozone depletion in the area, thus a whole lot more of the ultraviolet radiation getting through and warming the ocean, which is the source of the heat we're talking about in that instance.
		But also, Gordon mentioned something about Mount Pele in the Caribbean erupting or thereabouts.
		And we have a volcano that has never before been known to erupt, which is the island adjacent to Martinique.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		And so we have, essentially, given this concept of an underlying change, magma is what we know about as lava on the surface of the Earth is a process of the Earth cooling.
		Over time, the Earth is any other satellite in space.
		It's in a very cold environment by itself.
		It has no source of renewable energy.
		And it is cooling.
		Any disruption in that whole process will possibly open up the seams, if you will.
		And so I come at the idea of your quickening from another vantage point, but I think we're verging on the same thing.
		I think it's now is the time that we are essentially evened out, if you will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what worries me.
		Everybody coming at it from all these different points of view and reaching the same rough conclusions.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dorian.
		I don't want to say Weasel.
unidentified		Weizel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wel, thank you.
		Dorian Weisell on the big island of Hawaii.
		Hello.
		Gee, all that work and all that introduction, and nobody's there.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dorian.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, where are you?
unidentified		Hello.
		I'm in Kansas City, Missouri.
		Okay.
		Yeah, we've got a question.
		Okay.
		How much of the changings of the volcanoes of the hurricanes of the different elements going, how much of it can be, I feel, can be contributed to the space program because every time they send something up there, we have a disaster someplace with hurricanes or with too much rain or with flooding or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, that's kind of what he just touched on.
		Dorian, you want to underscore it again?
		You think the space shuttle might have something to do with it?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Well, the main component of ozone depletion is chlorine, and it's a main component of the exhaust of the solid rocket boosters of the space shuttle.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		There have been many groups outside of the United States who have begged our government, through the auspices of the United Nations, to stop the space shuttle program until we figure out another fuel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought it was supposed to be CFCs from coolants.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but what I understand to happen is what you're referring to as CFCs migrate from the surface of the Earth through the ozone layer.
		They're very light.
		They go above the ozone layer and they are assaulted by excessive ultraviolet radiation that's on the other side of the ozone layer.
		And they are altered and turn to chlorine and become heavy and fall back down through the ozone layer.
		And at that time, they do the damage that they do.
		And so most of the human of our behavior that is affecting that process is released here and takes a long time to migrate up to do the damage.
		Whereas the current space shuttle program is releasing these particles at that point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fascinating.
jordan maxwell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dorian Wassell.
unidentified		Oh, I'm in shock.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Aloha from Kauai.
unidentified		This is Melanie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Milani.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Aloha.
unidentified		it's very interesting that I have to hook up with somebody from the big island by satellite.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, is that wild?
unidentified		It is.
		It is.
		And I am a native Hawaiian here with ancestral roots back to, so far traced to the 1600s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, some of your relatives may have been tossed into Dorian's volcano.
unidentified		Yes, and I'm very impressed with his intellect.
		And I sense he has also, I don't know how long you've been on the island, but I sense you have a cultural feeling as well, which adapts to your philosophy with what you're saying.
		It's such a connection with Michael and Michael McGallion and yourself.
		And you folks come from the complete opposite perspective.
		And I really am proud of hearing somebody like you on our island.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you very much for the call.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was very nice.
		That's a lot of miles to get from Kauai to Hawaii.
		And Dorian, here comes another call.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, my name is Greg.
unidentified		I'm calling from Minneapolis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Greg.
unidentified		I'd like to ask actually several different things, but they relate to a seven-planet conjunction that begins on November 22nd and would actually run through Thanksgiving Day as well.
unidentified		Are seismologists looking at this as possibly a key trigger?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I don't know of any that are.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I don't know of any that cross over in such a dramatic way in the disciplines that they study.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And don't forget the 12-planet conjunction coming up after 2000.
		No, they generally don't, sir.
		What is your next question?
unidentified		Well, I guess I was wondering with regard to that.
		Astrologers are kind of looking at this as possibly a cause of a major shift in human consciousness.
		And I guess that if some of these events did start to occur, we would certainly see a major shift in human consciousness.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		If we had to care for each other instead of care for our own desires, we would call that a major shift in consciousness here.
		And if we had a number of disruptions in our current economic system where we became more isolated and we became more confronted by our own survival, we would love each other or kill each other, but get over with it.
		And right now, all that we do is just to, what's the worth of sitting around watching TV for the rest of our lives?
		Especially when we don't love our neighbors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So again, you do expect these earth changes, don't you?
		And you expect they will produce ultimately some sort of change, positive or negative.
		We'll get back to Dorian in just a second and ask him about exactly that.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from November 6th, 1995.
		I hear the drums echoing tonight.
		She hears only whispers of some quiet conversation.
		She's coming in 123 nights.
		The moonlit wings reflect the stars that guide the towards salvation.
		I stopped an old man along the way, hoping to find some old forgotten words or ancient melodies.
		He turned to me as if to say, Bray boy, it's waiting there for you.
		Gotta take the laps to take me away from you.
		There's nothing that I'm hundred men or more than ever too.
		I set the rain down and let the gun.
		Try to take the time to do the things we never did.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from November 6th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the big island of Hawaii, not a quarter mile from the crater at Kilauea, my guest is Dorian Oisell.
unidentified		And I'll hold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The things he's saying, the things that sort of provide an underscore to those things Gordon Michael Scallion is saying.
		A different approach, but I'm sorry to say the same conclusion.
		And in a way, though, I'll hold this for a second.
		Now, I'm recalling a movie in, you remember that?
		You remember that movie where the guy rode the atomic bomb down at the last moment, going, yahoo, with his hat?
		You remember that?
		How I learned to stop, let's see, how I stopped learned to love the bomb.
		That's our Dorian right up there, right up there near the very peak of the volcano.
		How about that, Dorian?
		I mean, is there a little bit of that?
		In other words, when it happens, there are people who said, if there's going to be a nuclear holocaust or war, why I'm going to run out and I'm going to just watch that sucker come down, open my arms, and say, baby, take me.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's going to take you anyways.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Might as well have fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had a feeling that might be about right.
		I've got a facts here, several of them.
		Let's go through these quickly.
		Art, French testing.
		Boom, and it shows a nuclear cloud here.
		It says for every action, there will always be an opposite and equal reaction.
		Something beautiful is about to happen.
		What do you think put the cord of the earth off-center?
		Something beautiful is about to happen.
		From Douglas, a ham radio operator, as a matter of fact.
		What about the French testing?
		You folks in Hawaii, I know, are concerned.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		They're defacing part of our ocean, I mean, part of the Earth, but I don't really have any idea about the impacts.
		I mean, we've been blowing off bombs here for quite a long time, to be frank.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what's another bomb compared to what Mother Earth can do, huh?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Well, I actually think we give ourselves a lot of significance in that Mother Earth picture, which we really don't deserve.
		We are living here as part of a biological experience that's sort of a transient thing that it's amazing that it keeps coming back.
		But the Earth is trying to freeze.
		And the biology, the atmosphere, has created a stability.
		But realistically, we know that it goes away and then it regrows and becomes stable again.
		But the Earth's entire long-term direction is towards colder and colder and colder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let me stop you there and go to the wildcard line.
		You're on the air with Dorian Woiselle.
		Hi.
unidentified		Aloha.
unidentified		This is Mark from Honolulu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Dorian.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Aloha.
unidentified		I'd like to know if what I would call a maximum major magnum shift would be enough to loose California back into the ocean.
		And if that happens, what would be the movement in the Hawaiian islands?
		And should we just get our surfboards ready to ride the big one all the way to the coast of China?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or Nevada.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it depends which way those waves come from.
		But we are in a very, very volatile environment relative to the ocean just leaping up and flapping us around.
		Even in our own cells here, the islands fall apart catastrophically when they do give up.
		And we have evidence of tidal waves that have washed up onto Molokai up to 1,200, 1,500 feet in elevation from catastrophic collapses of the big island in the last 100,000 years.
		But as far as the idea of California falling into the water, I think you might consider that the water is going to come up a considerable amount as well as these changes relative to the geologic structure, the breaking off of.
		But at the same time, we have this other phenomena that's occurring right now, and it is very, very dramatic, and that is that the ice shelves in the Antarctic are breaking off.
		So Arsene ice shelves is breaking up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true, it's true.
		I tell you it's true.
		I saw an Associated Press article that backs up exactly what you just said.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		They're equating the amount of ice that's now free-floating into many tens of feet in ocean sea level rise.
		And we're not talking about something that happens after we all die.
		We're talking about something that's happening in a very short period of time.
		And this is just scientific facts.
		Go on the net.
		There's an amazing amount of information on Antarctica on the net.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		they're scared we're talking about Dorian, I want to tell you something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A caller from Honolulu, anything else?
unidentified		I'd just like to ask him what he thinks if in the sense that the Earth has its own consciousness, what do you think that it's trying to tell us at this time?
unidentified		Because, like you said, we're not here forever as a species.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, that's almost something Robert Morningsky or somebody ought to answer.
		But I do believe our Earth could sort of flick us off like a horse would flick a fly off the back of its rear end when it got annoyed, if it so chose.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I want...
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Fragile situation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had an article, a rather extensive one, Associated Press article, in which they were quoting a couple of scientists who had the holy you-know-what scared out of them.
		One of them exclaimed, my God, look at the crack.
		And they were talking about this giant crack through.
		Did you read any of that?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		80 kilometers long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the shelf broke off.
		That was before it broke off.
		It's gone.
		It's a floating iceberg, and it's melting.
		And I have recently read scientific accounts of what, just without the mankind part of this, what we know about these cycles of the freezing and the releasing back into water, of water.
		And it's now understood that when the water releases, let's say the Earth is warming.
		We understand that generically we are warming a very small amount all the time.
		And as that's happening, we are coming out of an ice age.
		And there's something like 300 feet of ocean level fluctuation between ice age and thawing and ice age and thawing.
		And we've only released about 100 feet of that 300 feet as we're coming out of the ice age that we're coming out of.
		Thus, we are destined to have something like 200 feet of ocean rise without all these other discussions.
		Just forget the other ones.
		Wait, wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me get this straight.
		Hold it, Dorian.
		Let me get it straight.
		200 feet of ocean rise?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		200 feet.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		It is just built into the plant.
		Not in your lifetime necessarily, but built in the plan.
		But scientists now say when they look at what is the mechanism that releases that water, how fast does it happen, they're saying, wow, we see evidence of 100-foot, 200-foot changes in sea level in five years.
		And when the scientists that have came out with their thought, their theories about the ozone depletion, what was 75 somewhere in that region, they said if our theories are correct, the very first real, tangible, absolute sign we will see is when the ice shelves in Antarctic start to break up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dorian Weissell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, this is Dorothy from Puyallup, KDI Como Country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dorothy.
unidentified		Yes, hi.
		This is so exciting.
		I can hardly contain myself.
		I wanted to say three things.
		First, my husband purchased a VW that had been to the quake at Yellowstone.
		He drove it to Alaska, and a building fell on it during the Alaska quake.
		And then I saw in the paper about 10, 12 years ago a diagonal line that they had discovered by satellite from Missouri to Spokane.
		And then the final thing is, does he have any history on Popa Caterpella?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you can pronounce it.
unidentified		Cool.
		They wrote a song about it when I was a little girl.
		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is recent information on it, and it's one of the things Scallion's following.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you know about it, Dorian?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I know nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		It's all news to me.
unidentified		What I know about it, or what I remember about it, it was that I think it was a Mexican was tilling his potato patch, and a crack appeared in the earth, and smoke began spewing out of it, and this became a volcano.
unidentified		And later they wrote a song about it, Copa Caterpillar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do believe that's the way it was created.
		As a matter of fact, I recall that story as well.
		It's one of the things that Scallion apparently is watching, and as you know, Dorian, I think they've had some pretty big quakes down on the coast of Mexico.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I believe they've had quakes straddling both the eastern and western side of Mexico.
		When we started this conversation, you read Gordon's most recent release, and I would concur.
		There is something very dramatic in a large area happening under Mexico.
		This is an incredibly volcanic area.
		I mean, what is Mexico City built in other than a volcanic caldera?
		It's destined to blow up.
		It's insanity that it's there.
		It's a volcano.
		And the Earth is vending heat.
		The Earth is a cooling object, and it has to release heat somehow.
		And that's what volcanoes are.
		They're simple.
		And it's just this incredible acceleration in the human population that makes it even a significant issue.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the phones are burning up, so let's go back to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcardline, you're on the air with Dorian LaScelle.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I would just read it off.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And tell us where you are.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Anchorage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anchorage, Alaska.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		All right.
		A couple of things that you were talking about, Dorian was talking about, go against what I learned.
		Okay.
		And I was wondering if this was something that has changed since I went to school.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, go ahead.
unidentified		What?
		First of all, is his theory of uniformity.
		Do they no longer consider that?
		Because, and the metallic core, Velikovsky proposed the antithesis of uniformity as catastrophism or something like that.
		And I was wondering if Dorian knew what they were teaching these days.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I'm not familiar with the theory of uniformity.
		Nor am I. So I wouldn't know how to respond to it.
		I understand what I'm talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's ask the caller what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He learned it in school, so you tell us, sir, what is the theory of uniformity?
unidentified		Theory of uniformity is a geologic theory that states that processes that form the Earth are basically the processes that we see in action today.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think, yeah, in the sense that Dorian and Gordon and others believe that something uniformly has occurred in the shifting of the core and then with the shifting of the magma, uniformity in that sense, would you agree, Dorian?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I believe that the whole system's one system, so it acts in some sense, but I wouldn't go attributing our interpretation of the way it acts as necessarily the right thing.
		So if it doesn't fit uniformly in our interpretation, that doesn't mean it's wrong.
		It's happening.
		We're just here watching.
unidentified		It's true.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		One of my books, Aloha o Kalapana, is about a town being destroyed, the town of Kalapana.
		And I walked through three months of lava slowly creeping from one end of a town to another.
		And when it was done, the entire town was gone, and all the beach was gone.
		It was just a barren landscape.
		The whole process was agonizing to every single individual who was involved in it, with their homes being destroyed, etc.
		And my take on it was they came and lived on a volcano.
unidentified		Well, so do you.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I mean, where is this thing?
		You came from a volatile volcano, and the mountain came and did its dance with you.
		I personally believe that those people were blessed by being able to have a personal interaction with nature that most of us don't get a chance.
		Most of us are raised in city environments where we're taught to be observers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but Dorian, a little while ago you said it's insanity that the people in Mexico City are aware they are, that it is a...
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		And so if we tell everyone in Southern California every which way that we can that that place is a rock and roll geologic haven and then they say, my God, but they just turn around and go back to life, it's that to me is what I refer to as the insanity.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		A guy who says, I live here and if it takes my home, if it takes my life, if it takes my invested energy, and I accept that dance, then let him do whatever he wants.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that would be you.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I live like that, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dorian Lozelle on the big island of Hawaii.
unidentified		Hello, Dorian.
		Hi.
		Wonderful program tonight.
		Popo Catapato is 17,000-foot volcano in Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My callers are showing off, and I don't like it.
unidentified		It's the volcano art where they've been seeing some major UFO flap around this volcano.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		I wanted to add that and one more thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		We shouldn't pay the USGS if they're not going to tell us.
		Thank you.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, those angelic people at USGS.
unidentified		I love it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		How do you feel about that?
		In other words, they're doing a job.
		They are being paid by the taxpayers.
		If they know something, in fact, they're being paid to keep it secret.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		No, I honestly think, and I'll refer back to the experience that I went through with the destruction of the town of Kalapana.
		There is a understood by people who deal at a very high level of human control of behavior.
		You know, consider a civil defense administrator who has to cope with the infrastructure and all the police departments and arrange all that.
		There is a set of steps to take that are dictated mostly by our court system more than anything else, by the lawyers.
		And that perverts it.
		I'm sorry to say, I would not hold the people who behave according to our social structure in that sense, in that capacity, as professionals, in a sense responsible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or put another way, the next large earthquake or a volcanic explosion could be Johnny Cochrane's fault.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got you.
		All right, Dorian, stay right where you are.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
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		I believe we've been visiting.
		I believe there are extraterrestrials in this universe.
		I believe in Bigfoot.
		I believe in out-of-body experiences.
		I believe in ghosts.
		I believe in a lot of this.
		But I also don't believe the frauds and the hooksters.
		And I guess my pledge is that I'm not going to stop trying to get to the truth.
		Even though we may have some fun along the line, I'm going to distinguish the difference between fun and serious.
		Now we take you back to the night of November 6, 1995 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Music.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I now have several choices for Dorian.
		Dorian, we're near the top of the hour.
		If you'll stay, I'll let you.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You will, huh?
		All right, that's choice one.
		So we're going to keep you.
		Choice two is, I have a good fax here for you and a bad fax here for you.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Throw them either way you want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I'm leaving the short.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		You take the bad one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want the bad one.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dear Art, Dorian is full of crap.
		Wait, wait, no.
		He is hardly one to talk about man never learning.
		He's the one living on the volcano.
		Second.
		Second, maybe he's not happy watching all the sadness in the world on TV.
		That's hardly a reason to welcome devastating earth changes.
		Get a life.
		But it is from somebody named Steve.
unidentified		I listen to your show enough to know that one.
unidentified		Okay.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Well, hi, Steve.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for the fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your general response?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		My general response is I appreciate the quality of my life as opposed to the quantity of my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And then this.
		Hi, Art.
		Great show as always.
		I live in Medford, Oregon.
		Listen on the mighty KOPE, of course.
		A short while ago, your guest mentioned something about Magna being on the move in the southern Oregon area, and that was rather unusual.
		A year or two ago, we had a couple of pretty good-sized earthquakes, which were centered in the Klamath Falls area, about 60 miles east of here.
		Needless to say, since we're not exactly a hotspot of earthquake activity, it really shook people up.
		No pun intended.
		Would you please ask your guests to go into a little more detail about the goings-on in our neck of the woods?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		All I can say is in preparation and talking to friends today before this, it was mentioned that there continues to be in that aftershock sequence from those earthquakes evidence that could be interpreted as magmatic movement as opposed to rigid rock moving.
		And in other words, there's unusual seismicity associated with the aftershock sequence that is baffling to scientists.
		And one of the theories that they're applying to study that is that it's actually magma moving, where there's no reason why there's no precedent showing magma in the area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, now that bothers me because my network is in Medford, Oregon.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the area you're talking about there, right?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Well, you have to understand you live in the cascade range, that your network is in the cascade range, essentially, the lower part of it, but it's still the cascade range.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		And what drives that is...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I get the picture.
		So do they.
		We'll be back with Dorian next hour.
		Stay right where you are.
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		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from November 6, 1995.
		We're just a new week, just a cup of tea, so that I dropped on you.
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		Give it on, there's a gun, give it on.
		Thank you.
		Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bells Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired November 6th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then I'll tell you what, if you've got a fax machine, you can fax me a question for Dorian LaSalle while he's still there on the edge of the crater on the big island of Hawaii.
unidentified		He is our guest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He is right there, and he has come to terms with it.
		Doesn't mind being there.
		So before you criticize him for talking about the insanity of other people living in areas that seem explosive, possibly explosive, with the coming Earth changes, understand that he has come to terms in sort of the way that the fellow rode the atomic bomb down and came to terms, that sort of thing.
		That was fail-safe.
		I think that was.
		Dorian, wasn't that fail-safe?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I don't watch movies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't watch movies?
		I don't have a TV either.
		Oh, really?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think with the kind of altitude up there, you'd be able to get some pretty good reception?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I just would rather not watch TV.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that way, you'll hear it when it begins.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dorian Lozell.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Yeah, that movie was Doctor Strange last.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I've ordered your book.
unidentified		I still don't have it, but I ordered it over a month ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, you'll be getting it shortly, sir.
		Do you have a question for our guest?
unidentified		Yes, Dorian?
		Yes.
		You went to the Big Island in 1979 as a carpenter?
		Yep.
		And then you became a photographer?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Well, what happened was in 1983, Kilauea began to erupt, and that eruption has continued to this day.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		And the type of person I am, I could not imagine why anyone would go to work while this eruption was going on over their shoulder.
unidentified		Okay, but then did you get involved with Tectonic?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		What I have done is I began by volunteering for the U.S. Geological Survey and offering my time and worked two days a week for a number of years in their offices and in the field and gained a considerable education by endlessly bugging them.
		Why?
		And I would recommend anyone who wants to educate themselves to go volunteer for the active participation in what really happens.
unidentified		What background do you really have in tectonic?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I have no background.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I have.
unidentified		See, Deskelion, I've never heard Deskelion because I'm in St. Louis and somehow I've never heard any of these interviews with Deskelion.
unidentified		He sounds like a modern-day Nostadama.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he is.
		All right, sir.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		Yeah, that's what I would, actually a modern-day Edgar Casey would be a little closer to it for my taste.
		But yeah.
		All right, first-time caller line, you're on the air with Dorian Wassell.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Jude from Santa Barbara.
		Welcome.
		And I just want to say I'm enjoying the show very much, and I plan to visit the big island very soon.
		And I was recently given a gift of one of your books, Fire on the Mountain, and it's beautiful.
		And your company, Volcanic Resources in Hawaii.
		I've been trying to get the other book, Kilauea, The Newest Land on Earth, and I can't get it.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Well, I might suggest that what you would want to do is contact my distributor for that book, which is Island Heritage in Hawaii, and they actually have a 1-800 number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it sounds like you began in your field the way I began in mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I went down to a radio station to hung around bug them until they finally said, hey, kid, come here.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		You were in love, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the only way to begin anything by inspiration.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true, and it sounds like that's the way you began as well.
		And it sounds like you're very much in tune with it.
		In other words, comfortable, I guess is the word, with what you believe is going to occur.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I don't think there's any way to enter life other than that.
		I mean, to enter life with fear or anything, and we know this is happening.
		I mean, how many signs do we have to have written on the highway?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I kind of believe that too, and I'm just a common old person, but I feel it.
		I feel it.
		The hair is on the back of my neck, every part of my being is telling me Mother Earth is getting ready to do something or another.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so I personally am one that believes that all is okay.
		It's like there's some sense of perfection even though I can't see it.
		So I guess you might call that faith.
		I have faith in perfection, even though I can't achieve a vision of it myself around me.
		So I spoke of agony, I spoke of hurt, I spoke of all sorts of things I see, and somehow I sense that I have this faith that there's a way out of this.
		There's a gift in this, as you said, some other person might have observed.
		There's a gift in this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My network person, who is in Medford during the break, I talked to him, and he said, magma boldly going where no magma has gone before.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
unidentified		And that's the title for the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, is that nationwide, excuse me, worldwide?
		In other words, are there enough signs worldwide to basically say this, or there is a commonality, that there has been a shift?
		Is that a safe scientific?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		A safe scientific thing to say would be there's obviously an increase in the tectonic aspects of the Earth.
		And tectonics and volcanism are one in the same, realistically.
		It's like who follows who, the horse or the cart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And once again, for those who joined us late, you do work with USGS.
unidentified		I work as an associate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, the point I'm trying to get to here is that you originally listened to my program, heard GMS, Gordon Michaels Gallion, heard what he said, allowed, no doubt, the scientists to hear it.
		They said, ah, baloney.
		Went away, came back about a week later, and said, basically, it's feasible.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		In other words, Gordon's not so far off the mark as to be talking about something that could not happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dorian Weissell.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I'm Bill from LaGrand, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Bill.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Mr. Weisel was mentioning about the Cascades in southern Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
unidentified		Some trouble there.
		Yes.
		What's his opinion about northeastern Oregon near the Washington-Oregon border?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		If you get volcanism, run for your life, because what that area is, is a floodplain of basalt.
		And if anyone's ever heard of a flood, a basalt flood, this is something that we know of happening in Iceland where we'll have like a 100-mile-long fissure that will just pump out massive amounts of magma.
		And we actually have one of those environments in the United States, which is eastern Washington, actually.
		Were you talking about Oregon?
unidentified		Yes, Oregon, North Cascade.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I actually don't understand the backside of the Cascades and how that tapers off.
		You'll note that I drew on those mountains and those mountain ranges a lot in my book on Fire on the Mountain.
		I really make an analogy between the Hawaiian volcanism and the Cascade Range.
		But it really is centered around the idea that you have a plate coming in from under the Pacific and going inland so far, but under the crust of the continent and then melting and then rising to the surface.
		So the story sort of ends at the volcanoes and doesn't really go east.
		But what is happening in the continent as a whole is that between the center of the continent and all the way through all of, you know, like from Utah and such, all those mountains coming into the valley.
		If you looked at a large map of the country, you would see a whole bunch of strikes in the earth, a bunch of ridges and valleys that run north and south.
		And that essentially is that entire stretch of real estate stretching and creating these ridges and valleys by ripping itself apart as it's migrating west.
		Whereas the land back in the eastern part of the country is not migrating at the same rate.
		So the earth is being ripped apart.
		And in the further east in Yellowstone area, there's a hot spot, like Hawaii is over a hotspot.
		There's a hotspot under Yellowstone.
		So there's a force of magnetic intrusion there that's helped pushing in and helping, you know, it permeates through those breaks in the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I want to ask a question, and it is, if there would be a safe area to go to, assuming that somebody wanted to believe all this might occur and they wanted to go away and run away to a safe place, where would be a safe place?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		What did Michael say?
		Or Gordon say?
		I'm in Hawaii.
		Benny.
		He said that it was relatively going to be mellow.
		We'll have an increase in volcanism and the ocean's going to come up and slap our low-lying areas.
		I live at 4,000 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On Kilauea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So really, you may be in one of the safer places.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, wait a minute now.
unidentified		Yeah, contrary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little while ago, you seemed to be, in effect, embracing the possibility that Kilauea will spit you out like.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Kilauea will erupt and will erupt in different forms.
		And Mauna Loa, which is also adjacent to me, right out my window, which is the largest landform on our planet, will erupt and has erupted in recent past.
		And the type of eruptions here are such that they're not like you blow the whole mountain up.
		They really are more contained in the plants.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe so, but I too watched the news of that town disappear as the lava went through it.
unidentified		Yes.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		So nobody got hurt during that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, because it was going slow enough that people got out of the way.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But nevertheless, the town that was there is now 100 feet of rock on top of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		100 feet?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		100 feet of rock.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		And the land, that town was at seashore, and there's about a quarter mile of new real estate to the edge of the island.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are they developing it yet?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		No, until the eruption completely stopped, they won't let anything happen there.
		They won't let anyone go back and really work in it.
		The Hawaiian people who understand this, the town was built on a lava flow that was 750 years old, but the Hawaiian people have lived here for 2,000 years there on that land.
		And they understand the idea of moving aside and moving back.
		They didn't have private land ownership.
		It's only now with Private land ownership here that it creates havoc to the individual because the community doesn't just absorb you.
		You have to go find something else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe the developers are secretly, I mean, Hawaiian land is very valuable.
		Maybe the developers are secretly trying to encourage an eruption so they can get more land to develop.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dorian Weizel.
unidentified		Hi.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Dan, Art.
unidentified		This is Tony calling from Pueblo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pueblo, Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Tony.
unidentified		How you doing?
		Okay.
		Just a question for you.
		I'm kind of slow on volcanism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, me too.
unidentified		I was curious, is how they are formed, volcanoes, is any mountain capable of becoming a volcano?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
		Really, it is a good question.
		Could a volcano, Dorian, begin to form anywhere, literally?
		Is any mountain suspect of becoming a volcano, or is a volcano just as likely to erupt on the old flat ground somewhere?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		No, volcanoes are associated with some access through the crust of the earth for that hot material to vent.
		So you have to have something that is conducive or not.
		An area like the Himalayas would not be.
		They're caused by the compression of the Asian continent, whereas as India, the subcontinent of India, rammed into the continent and pushed that rock together.
		So you can imagine very dense material that's very thick as it's been compressed and piled up and compressed.
		Whereas Hawaii is in the middle of the Pacific Ocean where the crust is very thin under a big load of the ocean and stretched very thin.
		So we have the ability for the magma to come out through the crust here.
		It's got a path of least resistance part of the equation involved.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Dorian, hold on.
		We'll be right back to you.
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		Give me an overview of your perception of the occult.
jordan maxwell ▲ ● ▼		We know that so much of real important information has been hidden purposely because the people in power always consider that kind of knowledge on a need-to-know basis.
		And you don't need to know.
		All you need to do is do what you've always done.
		Just watch the ball games and be entertained and watch television.
		You don't need to do any thinking and start questioning the powers that be.
unidentified		They don't want us to know.
jordan maxwell ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		America has been purposely dumbed down and kept ignorant because that just leaves the people at the top a lot of free room to do anything they want.
		I think that we have some extraordinarily powerful people who are not interested in money or power.
		They are after our very souls.
		Period.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of November 6th, 1995, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Music
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to Dorian LaSelle.
		We've got just a few moments for the bottom of the hour.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dorian.
		Good morning.
jordan maxwell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		I just had a couple quick things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, where are you?
unidentified		Really good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, where?
unidentified		Oh, where am I?
unidentified		Peoria, Illinois.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, all right.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		You're really good.
unidentified		The movie is Doctor Strange Love for How I Learned to Love the Bomb.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's how I'm thinking of Dorian.
unidentified		First of all, one big thing a lot of people, I mean, when you stop and think of the changes that you guys are talking about, and I really believe that it's going to happen, it's one thing for it to happen over the course of a year.
unidentified		It's quite another thing for a lot of people get terrified at the aspect of it happening all in one day, especially people who live on the New Madrid fault.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Well, they've got a pretty good history of having pretty catastrophic stuff happening in one day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Generally, it does happen in one day, doesn't it?
		In other words, what can you tell us, Dorian, about the New Madrid?
		Is there likely to be activity there In conjunction with these larger changes?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Going back to the idea that this is all one system, yes.
unidentified		Yes.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I mean, again, the other notion is our perception of the situation.
		And I really would caution anybody to be too much in belief of their own way of seeing it.
		So in other words, we can't encompass it all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		So put another way.
		It may play in Peoria.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
unidentified		Well, I was just wondering how catastrophic it could be as compared to the coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, didn't the Mississippi run backwards for a while last time around?
unidentified		Yes.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I got another one for you.
		If some information came to you and you said, this is good part of it, and you wanted to say that's bad part of it, would you really be able to hang your hat on your belief in the good part of it?
		I mean, if it's like, take everything Gordon is saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, right now, though, I'm taking what you're saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And to you, what is the good part of it?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		The idea that we actually have some specialness about our beings that goes beyond our mortal lifetime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		So in other words, the good part of it is we are not limited to our physical bodies.
		See, I think of it a very different way.
		Anyway, we'll be right back.
		I think.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from November 6th, 1995.
		Coast to Coast AM from November
		Thank you.
		6th, 1995.
		Got me on my knees, baby.
		Begging God of deep love.
		Don't want you to use my world.
		Baba, you've got me on my knees, baby.
		Begging God to be great.
		Now I won't change my worried mind.
		Thank you.
		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from November 6th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When I first heard him, I thought Dorian was a kind of a spiritual kind of, I've learned to love the bomb kind of guy who realized he'd be the first to go.
		But as I listen more to Dorian, I've come to realize that he actually thinks he's in a safe place, a quarter mile from Kilauea's crater.
		That's where he is, quarter mile from Kilauea's crater on the big island of Hawaii.
		So, um, so I don't know that he's what I first thought he was.
		I think actually he thinks he's in a safe place.
		Maybe he is.
		What do I know?
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		I believe we've been visiting.
		I believe there are extraterrestrials in this universe.
		I believe in Bigfoot.
		I believe in out-of-body experiences.
		I believe in ghosts.
		I believe in a lot of this.
		But I also don't believe the frauds and the hooksters.
		And I guess my pledge is that I'm not going to stop trying to get to the truth.
		Even though we may have some fun along the line, I'm going to distinguish the difference between fun and serious.
		Now we take you back to the night of November 6th, 1995, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		The End So did you hear me rapping on you there, Dorian?
		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, in other words, to me, at first, you sounded really like the kind of guy who is at peace with himself and his volcano and lives there and expects to be at the center of the first catastrophic moment in earth change lingo.
		But then as time went on, I realized you're really saying, uh-uh, this is one of the safer places to be.
		So that accounts for your light-hearted attitude.
		Now, here is a question for you.
		What's happening in the Seattle Northwest area, Mount Rainier, Mount St. Helens, and the rest?
		Where are we on the activity list, and where are we in relationship to the breakoff point of the continent?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I actually have no idea.
		All I really can say is that the acceleration in activity is real.
		Not that I can draw conclusions to where it all goes.
		A bit about Mount Rainier in Seattle.
		You understand that Seattle is built on very recent lahars.
		And Lahars are mud and ash flows that come off the side of steep sloped volcanoes.
		They don't have to be generated by an actual volcanic activity.
		It can just be the release of a slope, an upper portion of a volcano that comes down a valley.
		And the entire Seattle area is built on areas that it's understood that this activity will happen repetitively to.
		It's another example of man becoming very, very, very populated in a hazardous area.
		It's not so much that that area has such a blatant, you know, scarred earth that man would see it over and over again.
		But if you go back, I mean, you know, the Indians knew about all these volcanoes erupting.
unidentified		It's not unusual ongoing occurrence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you folks there in Hawaii, should Kilauea begin to get too active for your comfort, would you consider tossing in virgins?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Myself, no.
		I imagine that all sorts of people would consider all sorts of things.
		A lot of people take it personally, so they get themselves personally involved.
		But realistically, this is probably one of the most monitored volcanoes in the world.
		And there are potential for very, very, very large changes.
		And a lot of the places on this volcano that those changes are expected to occur have large amounts of community type developments, as well as we have a geothermal development that was put into right down the middle of our most active rift zone on the island.
		And the activity currently is maybe 10 miles away, but uprift.
		And the long-term historic record says that the vents migrate over time downrift.
		And I mean, these people, the government still has allowed us to become dependent upon electricity that's generated from that environment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, with regard then to virgins, you are in favor of retention of our national resources.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There were recently, while I make light of it, a couple of mummified virgins found near the crater of a volcano.
		Wow.
		Had you heard about that?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they certainly at one time did that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dorian Wassell.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Rick in Portland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Rick, you're going to have to speak up good and loud.
unidentified		Okay.
		How's that?
		Better.
		Hi, Dorian.
		Hi.
		I'm here in Portland, sitting just a few tens of feet above sea level, while you're comfortably at 4,000 feet with the melting icebergs.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		From a little while back.
		Now, actually, with the melting icebergs, that doesn't cause concern to me here at a few tens of feet above sea level.
		As the icebergs melt, that's not going to change sea level.
		They're already displacing the mass of water equal to their weight.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I tried to think that out.
		And, you know, what is it, 40 to 1 or something where we're talking about it's below water level and above.
		And all I could come up with was these numbers that these people are talking about have to equate to that above sea level issue.
		But I still haven't thought it out entirely.
		There is, if for those who at the same time want to conjure this up and think about it and justify it with scientific data, I really suggest going on the net because there's an awful lot of stuff out there about that that is just people's published material, et cetera, rather than my off-the-wall thoughts.
		But for those who want to follow this and maybe find another puzzle to what they've been exposed to through Gordon, I would suggest that there's a man named Hank Wesselman who wrote a book called Spirit Walker that just segues into it incredibly.
		And it's about experiences 5,000 years hence from now.
		And it is incredibly tied to the Hawaiian people in an odd sense.
		But what this man, by being able to go forward in time and have an experience through another person alive 5,000 years ago, came back with just segues perfectly into all of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's another one.
		Did you happen to hear Stan Dale on my show?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		No.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stan Dale from Australia.
		I pick up the phone.
		I call anywhere.
		I called him in Australia.
		And he said that the sun has been putting out frequencies of light that are reacting with the plankton in our ocean.
		If this raised the temperature of the ocean just two degrees, it could cause earth changes as dramatic as those blamed on ozone depletion.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		More so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		More so.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you agree with Stan Deo.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		We are 100% dependent on our coral reefs.
		They produce some statistical amount.
		40% of our oxygen or something comes from coral reefs.
		Coral reefs are some of the most sensitive biological environments.
		It's ridiculous.
		They're dependent on the ocean level being at a level.
		They are dependent upon all sorts of things that are disruptive.
		I mean, I just got, I get articles.
		People cut out newspaper articles.
		I got an article about how we are taking cyanide and using it in Indonesia and then they're about there.
		They're fishing for fish with it by spraying it on the coral reef and then harvesting the stung fish and selling them For eating in China and killing reefs by the day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good.
		Yes, sure.
		Serve me up some nice cyanide fish.
		Yum yum.
		He is right up there next to the crater, quarter mile, one quarter mile from the crater.
		That means that you could just like walk to the crater for a little exercise.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Dog through the crater.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And your latest book is Fire on the Mountain, and people can get it by calling 1-800-468-2800.
		See how I gave you a plug there?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, let me correct something for you.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		One, that number will get you another book, which is called Killawaya, the Newest Land on Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how did they get the latest book?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		And the latest book is distributed by Chronicle Books, and they can go to their local bookstore for that.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Chronicle Books distributes that book worldwide, whereas the newest land on Earth is only distributed in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, in other words, I could go to B. Dalton and say, I want Fire on the Mountain.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you'd get it.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		In softcover or hardcover.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Gee, you're quite published.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dorian Watson.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Ventura, California.
unidentified		This is Mitch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mitch.
unidentified		Dorian.
		Yes.
		How you doing?
		I got a little different read on the way you laugh about your situation.
		I think that you've got yourself spiritually together, and it doesn't matter what happens, you're confident that you're going to be all right.
		You bet.
		Okay, 10-4.
		The guy that called about the ice and the displacement in the ocean, he sounds like a limb ball listener to me because I've heard Rush give this analogy before.
		When you make a drink and your ice cubes are in it and they melt, you leave it alone and they melt, it doesn't overflow, does it?
		Well, he's wrong.
		Sometimes it does overflow if you've got it up close enough and then you leave it fresh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the ice cubes are sticking up out of the glass.
unidentified		Right, but then there's another factor that he hasn't mentioned.
		Most of the Antarctic sits on a continent.
		There's land down there.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		And the same is true with the Arctic Circle, only to a lesser degree.
		More of that ice cap is over water.
		But the analogy is just false.
		You really want to rely on Limbaugh for science.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, right.
		We're looking at a commonly known thing.
		The Earth takes the water and holds it in ice for periods and releases it.
		And the result is the water level goes up and down.
unidentified		Zorian, the question I really wanted to ask you was, do you believe that there's a faction within the USGS that believes that more ought to be done to warn the public about the coming Earth changes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a damn good question.
		And so answer that one, and then tell me the truth, the absolute unvarnished volcanic truth about USGS.
		Are there things that USGS knows now that they have shared with you privately that you can't say?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		No, not really.
		I think what you have is a whole bunch of facets of something, and each facet in itself is very sincere, but its focus is pointed very, very, very specific and very minute and brings back a whole lot of information.
		And it's not their business, and they don't make it their business, to correlate that information and draw big pictures from it.
		Their motivation has not been in the long term, these earth sciences that we're talking about, this discipline, they weren't formed, I don't believe, for that.
		They were formed to map the mineralogy, the resources of our country to define what we can do and can't do, where the oil is specifically, where the gold is.
		These are things that our government was participating in and subsidized.
		And since we've had such things as Mount St. Helens, I mean, we have a thing called CVO, or Cascade Volcano Observatory, that came into existence.
		Money was released by our government to fund such a thing because Mount St. Helens blew up.
		That isn't a long-term overview of how to run a government.
		That's a reactionary thing, but it got them into the groove of running observatories.
		Hawaiian Volcano Observatory is unique in that it was started privately in 1912.
		It was started with private donated funds, and it was taken over in the 40s by the USGS.
		But the whole real calling of studying volcanoes is an individual one, and you would look at the people who do it as individuals who found a way to get subsidized for the rest of their life to do something they want to do, and they're paying the piper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there, in your view, any way to prevent the coming earth changes?
unidentified		Hell no.
unidentified		Hell no.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I think Gordon said it really crystal clear.
		He said, golden light forming where people practice healthy community.
		Practice your heart.
		And you can move mountains with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or volcanoes.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Or volcanoes.
		And I honestly believe it.
		We are, I mean, what else do we have but to arrange ourselves in an order that makes sense like that?
		Why fight it?
		We're not being chased by nature.
		We are nature.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on here with Dorian Wassell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Todd from Far West, Utah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Well, I've got some predictions that is going on around here, but also a question for Dorian.
		All right.
		Some people are seeing some changes in visions, like saying that here in December possibly a 5.2 earthquake in Los Angeles Range, and also that followed by that within about three months, a 9-plus in the southern Idaho area, which will dam off the rivers and flood the Salt Lake Valley area.
		Now, is this possible?
		Plus, I've also started seeing heated areas that are natural hot springs.
		They're starting to get hotter around this area.
		Is what these visions are being seen possible?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's stick with the science.
		He said the water is getting hotter in that area.
		Hot springs are getting hotter.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Well, that makes sense.
		I told you that it is understood that there is an increase in volcanism underneath Yellowstone.
		So, I mean, what I basically have been trying to say is look at all these pieces as symptoms of one thing, as something.
		So, if you're reporting the same type of behavior somewhere in between point A and point B that are both behaving the same, just consider that, you know, somehow it fits in there.
		I don't know about your area specifically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Interesting.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Dorian Lassell.
unidentified		Hi.
		All right.
		This is Dave up in SUMAF, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Dave.
unidentified		I've sent you some USGS reports recently, and I made a little prediction recently.
		I don't know if you got it on the facts, but I predicted a new fault that would occur east of San Andreas from the Salton Sea up to Barstow.
		And we just said, yeah, I'm looking.
		And this was before I heard you.
		That's why it's amazing.
		I've been getting these printouts from off the internet showing just a series of low-level quakes in that area, just a literal line.
		And because of the deformation there by San Bernardino, I'm expecting a huge one.
		In fact, my little prediction is that somewhere within the 50-mile radius of San Bernardino next few months, there's going to be at least an eight-point quake.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		That's the same prediction other people have been making.
unidentified		But I did that.
		I mean, I'm an amateur.
		I'm an engineer up here, a software engineer.
		I'm a few miles south of the Canadian border.
		And I've just been getting this stuff off the internet.
		I mean, this stuff is obvious.
		How can people deny it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Because of the liability of saying it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		You know, Stan Deo again in Australia, and there is a link from my webpage to his webpage now, by the way, maps satellite photographs of areas of the Earth that are hot.
		And he says that a lot of areas on the Earth right now show tremendous amounts of heat.
		And that will correlate with what you're saying about magma movement.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Well, they also attribute El Nino as a phenomena that's generated by the volcanism underneath the ocean offshore of South America in the Easter Island area.
		There's a volcanic range that Easter Island is the only island above sea level as a part of it.
		But it's very, very active volcanically right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Dorian Wassell.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Fat Boy, KPNW.
		In Eugene, Oregon, S.C. Hey, listen, I'm trying to figure out why, we've got to turn this into a question.
		Why does everybody think that just because man has learned to build fires that evolution has stopped, you know?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Hey, right on.
unidentified		You know, it's like, I'm not surprised that, you know, part of the Antarctic has fallen into the ocean.
unidentified		I mean, that's just what there does, you know, it's part of God's plan.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, all I would say I was trying to do by sitting here talking on the phone with all of you is just to help people understand what is happening.
		It's not a matter of our significance in it.
		It's just a matter, and we all have to iron that out ourselves.
		It really is a matter of the fact that the earth is an alive thing, and we are living in concert with it, you know.
		And we can all reconcile whether or not we're participating in its undoing or not, but the fact is it is an alive thing, and to build a house somewhere building it on an alive thing.
unidentified		Right, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's you mean kind of like where you live.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		No, where you live.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Where everyone lives, whether the time scale of its movement or the catastrophicness of any given part of its movement is a variable, but the earth is alive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I will tell you this.
		Gordon Michael Scallion, upon the occasion of his last interview, at the end of the interview, like we're at right now, said, follow your gut, follow your instincts.
		Absolutely.
		And you agree with that?
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		Give up your intellect and follow your instinct.
		Follow your intuitive center.
		Absolutely.
		You'll get much further in life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are at the end of the interview and the show.
		So, from about a quarter mile away from the crater of Kilauea, Dorian, you're the one tonight to get the honor.
		And you know what the honor is.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I can't get it out of my mind, so I'm going to say aloha and God bless you all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Dorian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
dorian weisel ▲ ● ▼		Good night.

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