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	Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere In Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM.
	From November 2nd, 1995.
	From the high desert and the great American Southwest.
	I bid you all good evening and good morning across all these many time zones.
	From the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands where one can only imagine the setting.
	The U.S.
	Virgin Islands where the setting is very similar in many ways.
	Then down to South America, north to the pole.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Good morning!
	Good to be with you, everybody.
	And I say good morning because that would include the majority of the listeners out there.
	Well, I don't know if that's true.
	Probably have to do some calculations on that.
	Anyway, last night, I want to bring this up first.
	I mentioned, as a lot of media did, About a thing called the good times virus computer virus running around rampantly Allegedly on America online well some people say it is a hoax a Lot of people say it's a hoax.
	Maybe it is a hoax and that would be good if it is a hoax nevertheless If I were to get let me put it this way if I were to get a message entitled good times It would get deleted faster than the the speed of light I sure wouldn't open it, so, um, but it may be, well, maybe, uh, an urban computer hoax.
	Who knows?
	Alright, well, I've got a lot of things to mention, but I, I've got one thing to mention first.
	Uh, that's kind of a personal joy.
	And I haven't been able to say anything about it until now, and uniquely, now I can.
	In my time zone, uh, it remains a very interesting day for my business.
	Today, November 2nd, Marks the 75th anniversary of commercial broadcasting in the United States.
	Station KDKA in Pittsburgh is credited with the first broadcast on 2 November 1920 with a broadcast of the Harding-Cox election returns, asking the audience if they heard the newscast Then they should respond by writing to the station.
	And that was sent to me by my board op, Rick Jacobs, down at KTUC in Tucson.
	And I ached last night to be able to tell you what I'm now going to tell you.
	Not that it will be meaningful to most of you, but it will give you some idea of how I feel about radio.
	As many of you know, my wife is also an ex-broadcaster.
	I say ex only in the sense that she's not presently on.
	We've toyed with her doing a show and so forth.
	But on the 75th anniversary of commercial broadcasting, I went out, we went out, got some attorneys and broadcast engineers, very competent people, and my little town of Pahrump, not technically a town, I guess, we're sort of a An area of assembly.
	We have not incorporated, as of yet, though there's a big fight going on about that.
	We filed with the Federal Communications Commission, my wife filed, in her name, for a radio station license to broadcast here in the little town of Perot.
	And the filing date is now closed, and one has to keep one's mouth shut until the day it closes.
	So I thought it was kind of unique that my wife filed her application on the 75th anniversary of the initiation of all commercial broadcasting in this country.
	It won't be a big one, 6,000 watt FM radio station here.
	And there's not a whole lot FM here, to be honest with you.
	In fact, there is really only one Station license to the area that serves sort of this area and Las Vegas and there was a time when You could not walk into any establishment In this town in this little town without hearing that station Playing in the background and they played oldies, but goodies It is one of my favorite formats.
	I love oldies oldies rock and roll and at some point You know, you've got to bear in mind, I'm in a very rural, little farming community type area here in the high desert.
	And that just went over very well.
	They loved it.
	And then the station, of course, inevitably, a year or two ago, underwent changes and the dawn of Howard Stern.
	Well, Howard Stern didn't go over real well here in Pahrump, Nevada, as you might imagine.
	So, uh, Pahrump, uh, was left without, uh, a station.
	So, uh, we have rough plans to do the following.
	Now, it's a long process.
	Everything with the government and the Federal Communications Commission goes, uh, very slowly.
	But if granted the license, we will, uh, we'll go back to the oldies that, uh, Pahrump loved.
	And then, uh, perhaps at, uh, 11 o'clock at night through, say, 4 o'clock or 6 o'clock in the morning, We will naturally throw a switch and broadcast this program to the residents of Pahrump and they can listen to their hometown boy.
	So, there it is.
	And if any of you have any comments on broadcasting in general, as you know, I'm a total radio freak.
	I love radio of every kind.
	Short wave, medium wave, long wave.
	I've been in radio since I was old enough to begin taking apart my mama's toaster.
	And that's, you know, I kind of, I started building little things in cardboard boxes.
	I started building electronics in cardboard boxes when I was very young.
	So there you are.
	And I think it was auspicious that this filing took place on this particular very historic date.
	And Rick down at KTUC says, and it's too bad, I was not able to get, but he actually has a recording of that scratchy, First broadcast from KDKA in Pittsburgh.
	Now, we can get it, but it'll be a couple days late.
	Maybe we'll get it on for the 100th anniversary or something of radio broadcasting.
	Anyway, that's something new going on in my life that I wasn't able to tell you about until now,
	and it's very exciting for us.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from November 2nd, 1995.
	Now on to the news of the day.
	day.
	In Miami, I'm sure you've heard another school bus problem.
	Now there's a school bus in the news, a bus full of children with learning disabilities, was hijacked early in the morning by some guy who said that he had tax problems with the IRS and a bomb strapped to his leg.
	He apparently jumped on the bus at a railroad crossing, driver of the bus kept her head, had communication going with the police, held a mic open, Negotiation ensued and failed.
	A chase ensued that went on for about 15 miles at low speed.
	Another low-speed chase.
	It culminated with the crack of rifle shots, three of them, which entered the body of the hijacker, causing him to expire.
	The hijacker was a 42-year-old A man named, uh, Catalino Sang, and there was only, uh, fortunately one child injured, so it's a godsend.
	The only question, well there are a couple of questions I can think of to ask you about this.
	One is, again, why are so many people wiggin' out?
	Flipping out?
	Kinda like somebody threw, you know, just throws a switch, and boom!
	They go nuts!
	Grab a gun, Grab some kids, grab some hostages, more and more and more and more of that thing, that kind of thing going on, and more chases going on.
	And NBC ran a pretty interesting piece from some fellow who said, what we really need, and he pointed to the OJ chase and all the other chases that have occurred, the low speed and high speed chases, that when carried live by For example, any large market station, particularly in L.A., they have more chases than anybody else.
	And it's a big ratings grabber, and so the television stations send up helicopters, and we all get to see the car chase.
	A bird's eye view.
	And it gets incredible ratings.
	And so this guy was on NBC saying what we need is a car chase channel.
	A channel devoted to nothing else but car chases.
	Taking feeds from all over the country, wherever the current chase might be going on.
	And then later at night, or in, you know, you've got to cover 24 hours.
	I mean, a car chase channel has to be a 24-hour channel.
	So that in slack times, they could replay great chases, or the greatest chases, or the earlier in the day chases, or whatever.
	Uh, you know, it would be... I'll bet it would be an instant hit.
	Many years ago, uh, before the genesis of the idea appeared anywhere else, I suggested on the air, in Las Vegas, uh, to the 13 western states, that somebody could make a million dollars if only they would start something called the Science Fiction Channel.
	And I said, I just gave somebody a million dollar idea.
	It was about three years later.
	Lo and behold, along comes the science fiction channel.
	I'm still cringing about that one.
	But you know, you just spill your guts here on the air.
	So I thought it'd be a cool idea.
	All the best science fiction.
	Now we've got it.
	So anyway, this one went national.
	I didn't do it.
	The car chase channel.
	What do you folks say?
	Thumbs up or thumbs down?
	Now, before you say, thumbs down, what a terrible thing to have on television, answer truthfully.
	Would you watch?
	That's the only question that really counts.
	Would you watch?
	Because if you would watch, well, people would sponsor.
	I wonder what kind of sponsor you see.
	What would you get for a car chase channel?
	Hire companies, maybe?
	Armor-plated, bullet-resistant tires.
	Bulletproof glass.
	Oh, there, that's a good one.
	Bulletproof glass for the rear window.
	I don't know.
	The car chase channel.
	I suppose the makers of that, what do you call that thing you put on the steering wheel so that you can't steal it?
	They'd probably sponsor it.
	Car alarm systems.
	They'd go for it.
	Cars generally.
	Involved in a chase?
	Really want to get away?
	You need some horsepower!
	You know, that kind of thing.
	I don't know.
	Anyway.
	Very, uh, serious, uh, quickening news.
	The Philippines... Here's one to scare you.
	Typhoon Angela has had wind gusts to 230 miles per hour.
	You see, in the Pacific, these storms have a lot more ocean to go across, and so they build bigger.
	And it is looking as though the eye is going to pass right across the Philippines.
	Early Thursday, Angela was centered about 270 miles east of Manila, moving west at 12 miles an hour.
	And so I'm sure that it has already done it.
	15,000 houses so far destroyed or damaged.
	And about 135,000 people were evacuated.
	So, can you imagine wind gusts of 230 miles an hour?
	Sustained winds at 180 miles an hour.
	That's absolutely incredible.
	winds at 180 miles an hour. That's absolutely incredible.
	Incredible. Now, again, NBC following up with, this is turning into a big story.
	The FBI wants a national system to allow police to listen to one out of every 100 phone lines in high crime areas.
	Or they put it another way today, 1% of any big city phone system's telephone calls at any given time.
	I heard the president just a few moments ago on the news at the top of the hour talking something or another, I can't recall, I wasn't listening that carefully, but something about American values as it relates to drugs or something or another, because we've got a story on that.
	But how does this phone tap thing, maybe you should have had a word or two to say about American values when it comes to that.
	The FBI, the government, argues that digital communications, computers and all that, make it very much important they have this new authority to tap phones.
	Congressional approval is going to be required, so there will be a fight.
	The Feds say it is not a new invasion of privacy.
	The phone company wants to meet with the FBI, and will do so tomorrow, to talk about exactly what it is they want to do.
	Are you for it, or against it?
	Is it an American value, or the perversion of an American value?
	Is it going after the bad guys, or is it a Fourth Amendment violation of the good guys?
	Does the amount of crime justify doing what they want to do?
	I don't know.
	You tell me.
	It is an important question.
	Some will consider it a first step toward eventually Big Brother-ism.
	And, uh, listening to not only those who might be contemplating a criminal act, but those who might be contemplating a political act, if you follow me.
	So, it's kind of tough to keep control of this kind of thing once you get it going, and I'm very leery of it.
	They probably do it anyway.
	That's my feeling.
	They probably do it anyway.
	And, um, so there you are.
	As a matter of fact, there is a new report out on drugs, and we might talk a little bit about that this morning.
	It says, teenage drug use in America is not just skyrocketing, it is exploding.
	We are losing the drug war.
	Cocaine use is up.
	This is really incredible.
	This is teenagers now we're talking about.
	And the sample study involved 200,000 teens.
	200,000 teens.
	Cocaine use is up 36% over the last two years.
	Marijuana?
	Check this out.
	One third now of all high school seniors say they have smoked pot in the last year.
	There are more whites, as a percentage, than blacks using drugs.
	Check that one out, folks!
	Think about it.
	More, uh, more whites, by percentage, than blacks are using drugs.
	And, uh, I'm sure from the black perspective, it's kind of nice for a change not to be at the head of some negative list.
	And, uh, so there you are.
	And, uh, you would have expected exactly the opposite because of, you know, all the talk about inner-city blacks and crime and drugs and all the rest of it.
	But the real truth is, by percentage per capita, more whites than blacks are using drugs.
	Go figure.
	But it's true.
	What is sad are the number of our teens, by percentage, white teens, as a matter of fact, using drugs, cocaine, pot, all the rest of it.
	CIA and FBI joining hands using satellite gear now to try and spot the drug shipments, drug lords, using computers to model their houses so they can raid them and arrest them.
	Looking for coca fields with satellites?
	Down many levels below the CIA building in Langley?
	And so the CIA is turning its attention on the drug cartels.
	Not a bad idea, I would say.
	Some people say it is a bad idea that spies do not make good cops.
	But we've got a lot of technology and it's nice to be able to see that we're using some of it.
	In what I consider to be a productive way, the alternative, of course, is to simply give up, and as a lot of people want to do, legalize drugs, and then we'd have some kind of America, I'll tell you.
	What a mess that would be.
	No word today, further word, on Boris Yeltsin, who is sickly.
	Well, okay, I guess I'd better break here.
	I don't have a lot of time.
	I've got a lot more for you.
	And I'll just feed you a little more and then we will open the lines.
	A couple of really interesting things.
	There was a Hubble shot today that was so good that in my estimation it paid for Hubble.
	And I'll tell you about it in just a moment.
	This is Premier Networks.
	That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from November 2nd, 1995.
	How you doing everybody?
	I'm Art Bell.
	There was, earlier today, The most incredible, absolutely incredible Hubble shot.
	It paid for Hubble, as far as I'm concerned.
	I've never seen anything like it, and I'm down on my hands and knees begging one of you, who has a good quality photograph of this new Hubble shot, to send it to me in GIF form.
	Email it to me.
	I really, really, really want a good quality copy of this photograph.
	What am I talking about?
	I bet a lot of you saw it.
	It was on all of the networks.
	But Hubble managed to get this amazing picture of something occurring 7,000 light years from here.
	And we have always wondered how stars are formed.
	How does a sun get to be a sun?
	Where does it come from?
	Where does the energy to create this incredible continuing reactive mass, where does it come from?
	Well, they got a picture of it happening.
	The picture shows, for those of you that have not been lucky enough to see it yet, these gigantic towers of gas and dust and debris and energy.
	Incredible towers.
	Six trillion miles long.
	Now, the numbers begin to phase you a little bit.
	Six trillion miles long.
	And then out at the end, or tips, of these giant towers, you were actually able to see the birth of stars.
	It looked like a tree trunk.
	A gigantic tree trunk, with things budding at the end of it.
	And the things, this is my description, the things budding at the edge of the branches are stars.
	It is a photograph, in my opinion, of the process of creation.
	And so if any of you have a good quality shot, if it's out on the internet or somewhere, grab it, please, and send it to me in GIF form.
	We'll get it up on the bulletin board as well.
	It is just absolutely.
	It was awesome.
	I wonder what the rest of you thought.
	I just got this fax.
	Dear Art, I know you've been watching CBS lately.
	You know why I watch CBS?
	Because of stupid baseball.
	NBC was running baseball and preempting the news, and it was really ticking me off, so I had to watch CBS.
	I've gone back to NBC as my prime source.
	Anyway, Steve goes on.
	This is a Steve.
	You have to bear that in mind.
	I was wondering if you saw the piece NBC did about the recent Hubble photos of what can best be described as a massive dust cloud.
	The object over 7,000 light years away has a large abstract form.
	From it, tiny droplets, roughly the same size as our solar system, would form and drift out into free space.
	In so many words, scientists equate this to the hatching of stars.
	The cloud itself was an amazing image.
	I personally don't believe in God, but this entity had a certain god-like feel to it.
	Um...
	I don't know what to say, Steve. I, uh...
	You're a Steve, too, and I have to agree with you.
	It was just absolutely nothing short of awesome.
	And I really, really, really want a copy of it.
	So hopefully somebody will fire me one.
	All right.
	Let me open the phone lines and let us begin what we do here.
	Two-way talk radio.
	And unscreened.
	Unpredictable.
	You guys can talk about anything you want.
	I don't care.
	It's up to you.
	We can just have fun.
	We can discuss the news.
	We can discuss Creation, as viewed by Hubble, we can discuss anything at all.
	The night is yours.
	First time callers to the program from wherever you are, it's a little easier to get through on this line at area code 702-727-1222.
	702-727-1222.
	The wild card direct dial lines, area code 702-727-1295.
	West of the Rockies and toll free.
	It's 1-800-618-8255.
	727-1295. 702-727-1295. West of the Rockies and toll-free, it's 1-800-618-8255. That's
	1-800-618-8255. East of the Great Mound, the Rockies, anywhere out east, toll-free, it's
	1-800-825-5033. 1-800-825-5033.
	1-800-825-5033.
	Now, unfortunately, after ringing for a while, the phone company cuts you off and says, your party did not answer.
	At which point, I suggest you curse the phone company, all of their relatives, forever.
	And then pick up the phone and redial it.
	And persistence will eventually pay off, and you will get through, as evidenced by this.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	This is George from Edwardsville, Illinois.
	Hi, George.
	Yeah.
	Hey, we just got word out here on KRAM that you're no longer out here.
	What's up?
	what's up uh...
	it is true and uh...
	i'm gonna blow a secret out here right All right.
	Let me, before I blow any secrets here, let me ask you what word you got and how you got it.
	Well, I'm at work this evening, and we turned to Roger Friedenberg at midnight and you at one o'clock at our time, and they just said that The request was made by your company that they no longer broadcast the programs.
	That is correct.
	Yeah.
	And there's more to it behind the scenes than that that I won't bother to go into.
	I figured as much.
	But the answer is, watch for us in the next couple of weeks on the Mighty KSD.
	KSD.
	You got it.
	You're going back to them, huh?
	You got it.
	All right.
	I tell you what, K-Ram's recession has been really poor lately.
	Ah, yes, I know.
	It was very troubled.
	They were on the air and off the air, and satellite troubles, and that's what I say.
	There's no point in going into all the reasons for it.
	By the way, we were awfully disappointed we didn't get your Halloween show.
	Well, I'm sorry.
	But that's all right.
	Anyway, as you well know, KSD has a gigantic signal, and this will open it up to all of St.
	Louis and well beyond.
	By the way, do you know if we're going to get the full three hours back of Roger Friedenberg or not?
	Yes, you are.
	Oh, we are?
	Great.
	You are.
	And you'll get my full show, and so, yeah.
	Yeah, because before on KSD, they cut you off at, I think, 5 or 5.30 in the morning.
	Well, that may be.
	I mean, all stations eventually go to a morning show, so.
	Right.
	But we're glad to hear that, because we do miss you.
	Well, I'm glad to be able to give you that news.
	I'm not altogether certain I should have, but since you brought it up.
	Well, since we didn't get you tonight, we were kind of curious.
	Changes.
	The world is full of changes.
	Right.
	Enjoy your show.
	Thank you, my friend.
	Take care.
	Hopefully in the interim, why there are so many stations out there that are listenable in St.
	Louis that the word will no doubt quickly get around.
	That'll be about two weeks, I'm going to guess.
	Uh, wildcard line, you're on the air, hello.
	Oh, hi, what a surprise, I got in so quick.
	Yes, it can happen.
	How are you doing tonight?
	Very well, thank you.
	You sound upbeat.
	Uh, I, well, sure.
	I love it when you're upbeat.
	I love it too.
	Uh, uh, I wanted to, uh, comment on the, uh, bus, uh, what happened with the children on the bus today.
	Yes.
	Uh, do you know anything about why they did not, uh, Or could they not get the man out?
	Did they actually have to shoot that man in front of those children that are already dealing with, you know, a disability?
	Well, there were, I'm sure, a lot of factors that went into it.
	One being that he claimed, or he said, that he had a bomb strapped to his leg.
	Yes.
	I presume they had certainly no way of, you know, prior to examining him, knowing whether that was true or not.
	Yes.
	Well, here on a report, I heard that he wanted to go to the restaurant where he had worked at, and I wondered if he went to that restaurant.
	No, he did go to it.
	He did?
	And that is where the shooting occurred.
	First, he wanted to go to the IRS building, and then for some reason, after the chase, they ended up at this restaurant where he used to work.
	Look, here's my view of things.
	If you say you're going to blow up a school bus of disadvantaged children, you can pretty well expect if they get a clear shot, you're dead meat.
	And so I can't say they did the wrong thing, and I won't... Well, yes, I agree with you there.
	I was just wondering.
	I had heard nothing about any real circumstances, and I just wondered if that might have been a little overreacting.
	Or what state of mind they had the man in when they actually shot him, since they were communicating.
	Think for a second that you're on a SWAT team.
	Yes.
	And some guy's got a bomb strapped to his leg.
	Yes, I have a son-in-law in a SWAT team.
	Do you want to take the time to try and rush him, giving him time to set it off?
	Or do you want to put a bullet through the part of his head that's going to put him down immediately?
	Well, definitely, you would want to put him down immediately, but if you're in the process of negotiation, that's what I was concerned with.
	If anyone knew what... Well, one line used was, negotiation failed.
	So, presumably, he was not negotiating in good faith or any faith at all, and was saying either the following happens, you know, either my tax problems are straightened out, or, you know, I don't know what was said.
	Yes.
	Okay, well, listen.
	I love your show.
	I have a very short story if you'd like for me to give it for you.
	I tried calling you Halloween night.
	It's a very interesting one.
	Oh, it always is.
	Well, if you have a good Halloween story, save it for my next one.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, save it for my next one.
	I love them, as you know.
	Okay.
	Where are you?
	I'm in San Antonio.
	San Antonio, Texas.
	Well, it's a pleasure to have had you on the show.
	Well, thank you very much.
	And you take care.
	Yeah, I looked at that situation with the school bus, and they probably had no choice.
	And as I say, if you do something like that, you can pretty well expect to get shot.
	You don't do that to children disadvantaged or any other children.
	You hop on a school bus, threaten to blow it up, you're going to get shot.
	And I would say, deservedly so.
	Sound of thunder You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from November 2nd, 1995.
	On the first time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Oh, I can barely hear you.
	Oh my goodness.
	I'll talk louder.
	Can you hear me now?
	A little bit.
	Well, just get right into that phone and project like you're giving a speech.
	Okay.
	Now that's more like it.
	Sure, that's better.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
	Baton Rouge.
	All right.
	Yes.
	I just discovered you a couple of nights ago, actually, and this is the most truly eclectic talk show that I've ever heard.
	Thank you.
	Eclectic, it is true.
	That's what this is.
	It's utterly different, and I never know where it's going to go, and that's all the fun of it.
	Oh, I know.
	It's like a conscious dream of consciousness, if I can coin a term.
	But I, too, have a radio background.
	Not on the air, per se, but I've worked in radio in various capacities.
	I wanted to say that I was aware of this 75th anniversary thing, and you obviously have such a great love of the media.
	This is why you're so effective in it.
	You said it may not be consequential to many listeners, but I do share the joy that you and your wife have in starting that new venture at such a historic time.
	That's what it is.
	It's an adventure.
	You know, something I've never done, and I'm ready to sink my teeth into it.
	It's going to be a lot of fun, and my wife is just overjoyed.
	And to find out that we, you know, the closing filing date, you see, the way the commission works, you don't walk an application in until the very last minute.
	It's a strategic kind of thing.
	Well, do you really believe that that's a coincidence?
	I kind of, whether you call it synchronicity or what, I think probably that does have some significance beyond what any of us know.
	To me, it does.
	Yeah.
	Okay, then.
	Well, I'm a fan, and keep up the good work.
	I love your metaphysical stuff without it being, you know, real heavy.
	It's just an adventure, an exploration, and I love it.
	Thank you.
	Take care.
	When it's there, and I say again, I would really love to get some reaction from some of you who saw these towers of whatever they were.
	The dust, the energy, the particles, the magic, and the literal birth of a star.
	To me, it looked like a sort of a giant tree with branches, and then at the end of them, these globules being thrown off that are stars.
	The birth of stars.
	Amazing stuff to be able to see in our lifetime.
	Just amazing.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Well, hello there.
	There is a God.
	Oh, well, of course there's a God.
	You had a couple of questions last night I found interesting.
	I can't remember now when I was dialing, I remember, but it had to do with what we thought.
	What was it?
	What we thought about something.
	Hon, I ask about a hundred questions a night.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Well, we won't forget that.
	I'm always asking you people what you think about some things.
	I know, it was a very interesting one.
	Now, as far as the creation situation, you know, you've often asked that, and I think the fellow that answered that to take our free will of choice would be actually the only way that everyone could know that that was a supreme being, and he said he'd never do that.
	My husband says there's only one new thing on this earth, and that's a baby.
	Because it's a fresh sperm and a fresh ovum.
	Yeah, I know.
	Well, I thought some evidence of creation might have been the birth of stars.
	You're talking about babies.
	The photograph yesterday, ma'am, was absolutely... Great?
	It's one of those ones that stops you cold.
	Yes, I know.
	Now, one more quick thing, please.
	Have you heard of a book by an Officer X?
	It's a cop's honest look at life on the street.
	No?
	I think you really find him interesting as a guest, and the book is fascinating.
	Well, I once had Agent X on the show.
	All right, thank you very much.
	Agent X, I remember him.
	We had Agent X, who was an alleged, and I believe him to have been definitely the real McCoy, an ATF agent who debated on the air quite heatedly, heatedly, I guess.
	With Linda Thompson.
	Oh, that was a wild one.
	That went on for, I'm trying to recall, two or three hours.
	Do the wild thing at 702-727-1295.
	Okay, go right ahead.
	First time caller line.
	You're on the air.
	Hi.
	Good evening, Art.
	Good evening.
	This is Chris in Salt Lake City.
	Hi, Chris.
	Two questions.
	Or actually, one question and a comment.
	Okay.
	Were you an on-air personality on K Earth 101 or KRLA in Los Angeles?
	No.
	Okay.
	Turn off your radio, please.
	Oh, I thought I did.
	I'm sorry.
	I hit the wrong switch.
	And then, my comment.
	Last night, my girlfriend and I were listening to your show, and she got really irate, you know, about President Clinton's wants to send out the troops to the You're asking what would be his logic behind it?
	In any area, other than compassion, which is not justification for the taking of American life, I'm all for compassion, but I'm not going to throw a lot of people into a meat grinder because I'm sorry they're having a war.
	I was watching Talk Back Live on CNN yesterday, and they were trying to feed us this crap.
	Compassion, my tail end.
	Uh, the compassion we ought to be feeling is for our own people.
	Correct.
	She made the comment of, uh, why did he have to do this, especially at Christmas time?
	Don't you know that they're tearing families apart?
	And a little light bulb just lit up above my head and it dawned on me, uh, well, that, uh, President Clinton, you know, I believe he is a communist and they really, the Communist Manifesto doesn't really, uh, protect families.
	They protect individuals.
	He's not a communist.
	Even communists at least have convictions.
	Don't laugh.
	They have convictions.
	This man, nearly as I can tell, is convictionless.
	Believes in what will get him back into office.
	So if he has conviction, It is in wanting to get reelected.
	The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
	More, somewhere in time, coming up.
	I'm going to be doing a lot of research on this.
	Premier Networks presents Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from November 2nd, 1995.
	Good morning, everybody.
	Great to be here.
	It is a great morning.
	A clear night with about three quarters of a moon above us here in the high desert.
	Stars are bright.
	God, that Hubble picture.
	Anybody out there with their hands on that Hubble picture, I want it.
	I really, really want that photograph.
	I want a good, A clear shot of the photograph that was shown on all the networks yesterday of the birth of stars.
	Absolutely incredible.
	Listen, some lady last hour described my program as eclectic.
	And I'm very proud of that, thank you.
	So, eclectically, we will, in about an hour, call... Well, I guess the Dr. Lee... You remember Dr. Lee, don't you, from the...
	O.J.
	Simpson Trial.
	This is the Dr. Lee of handwriting expertise in the world.
	His name is R.E.
	Alton, and he is in Britain, probably London.
	So I'm going to pick up the phone and do it again.
	We'll do a short interview with Dr. Alton.
	He is the chief forensic guy, handwriting forensic guy, Who declared the note that Chris Ruddy talked about, who we interviewed on the program, the supposed alleged suicide note of Vince Foster to be an absolute out-and-out forgery.
	And we're gonna see if Chris Ruddy's claims about Mr. Alton are so, and I suspect they are.
	So I'll pick up the phone call London next hour.
	I think.
	Eclectically.
	Alright, a few A few, uh, faxes have come in, dear Art.
	I am not devoutly religious, but I do feel sorry for Steve.
	Actually, all Steves.
	For it must be a private hell just to be so profoundly unintelligent.
	We did finally receive your book, both copies, yesterday.
	So far it appears to be a very good read.
	We're listening on talk radio 810 KCMO.
	The station's so big, its call letters are on cop cars all over town.
	Thanks for a great show.
	A hound dog and nightshade.
	Hound dog and nightshade.
	And again on the Hubble picture, what really blew my mind, other than the beauty and awesomeness of the photograph, was the fact that we were privileged to see in our lifetime something that happened 7,000 years ago in real time.
	It was magnificent.
	I hope this is issued for purchase because they are truly worthy of framing as fine art.
	Well, shouldn't have to, you know, we paid for the Hubble.
	Remember that?
	We lowly little taxpayers.
	That was our money put the Hubble up there.
	We shouldn't have to pay.
	On a much sadder note, see we go from awe-inspiring to the very bottom.
	On a much sadder note, did you hear the news about the young mother In, I believe, Michigan.
	No, I haven't.
	Who drowned her few weeks old baby in a pond near her house.
	Threw her baby in a pond to stop it from crying.
	Where will this ever stop, Art?
	Charlotte, listening to KEX.
	Charlotte, I don't know.
	It's not going to stop, Charlotte, until something changes.
	And that's what I view that we're rushing toward is some great change.
	And, uh, not to be outdone, Mark, the avowed atheist in Louisiana who faxes but never calls, says the following, alright.
	Regarding your opinion that through the ages some religious stories may have been exaggerated, you know, that if you ask a number of people which fruit Adam, when tempted by Eve, ate, most would say an apple.
	I would have said that.
	Wrong-o!
	Genesis only mentions that Adam ate from the fruit of a tree.
	The whole apple part was added later by some nondescript person.
	Probably a teacher.
	The Bible would make a good movie on the Science Fiction Channel.
	Mark.
	Oh, Mark.
	Oh, Mark.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Arthur.
	Yes, that is true.
	I can't believe I got through this the first time I called, and I think you have a great show.
	Thank you.
	I was wondering, last night you were talking to Stan Dale.
	Yes.
	Okay, I live in Stockton, which is about 40 miles south of Sacramento.
	I was wondering what the implications would be of what's going on over here.
	In Sacramento?
	Well, I'm about 40 miles south there.
	Are you familiar with the term, gurgle?
	Yes.
	Well, it's not a term.
	I suppose it's just a word, isn't it?
	Gurgle.
	Gurgle, gurgle.
	That would be a term.
	But, look, Nevada, depending on whose future maps you want to read, Nevada also is with the fishes.
	So, you know, I mean, we've got to live this one day at a time, and where are you going to hide, right?
	That's true.
	So, you know, I mean, take some swimming lessons.
	What can I say?
	And also, I've been wondering about these Steves.
	What's the deal with these guys?
	I wanted to listen to you recently.
	Steves are a secret society.
	And, well, here's the way it began.
	One night we were discussing a very serious topic, and that is that having lost the Soviet Union as an enemy, we are turning inward on ourselves Throwing babies into ponds, whatever the latest story is, that kind of thing, right?
	So, we need something, we need a focus of hate.
	And so one night a guy named Gene, listening to KABC in Los Angeles, sent me a fax and said, look, we do need somebody to hate.
	I suggest my neighbor Steve.
	Steve is a worthless slob of a human being.
	Steve is not worthy of even the term human.
	He's that bad.
	So, he should be hated.
	And then people started coming in and saying, it's true of all Steve's.
	Steve's generally should be hated.
	And I thought, why not?
	Steve's probably are a bunch of no-goods.
	So, we've got a hate Steve movement going.
	And Steve's probably have a plot to try and take over the world.
	And so, we need to fight them.
	On, you know, just about every place we turn.
	Every time we get an opportunity, Steve's need to be fought.
	Okay.
	Eliminated.
	Well, that might be a little strong.
	Debilitated.
	So, I don't know.
	We hate Steves.
	That's all.
	Okay.
	Okay?
	All right.
	Remember.
	Okay.
	Thanks.
	Right.
	Hate Steves.
	And if we get a good focus of hate going here, we'll move to Bobs.
	If Steves are insufficient, then it's going to be Bobs.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Oh, hi.
	Oh, hi.
	Jerry in L.A.
	Hello, Jerry.
	You know, you were just talking about the original sin was taken from the people of good and evil.
	If you read Ezekiel 31... Adam was good and... No, no, no.
	It was from the people of good and evil.
	Well, there were only two, supposedly, at the beginning, right?
	There was Adam, but there was Adam and there was Eve, was there not?
	No, if you read the Bible...
	The evil, sir, we all know, rises from the woman.
	Here, eat this.
	No, and I would say that the UFO people are the people with the knowledge of good and evil.
	See, if you read Genesis carefully, you will notice that they talk about Ethiopia, Syria, and some others, countries
	that were already around.
	Did you happen to see the Hubble picture?
	Yes.
	Okay, well that was kind of like watching Genesis, sir, in action.
	That's the way I viewed it.
	Kind of like watching Genesis in action.
	God, it was incredible!
	Absolutely a stopper.
	And I called my wife and I said, you've got to see this.
	Just awesome, I've got to have that photograph.
	I don't care what it takes, I've got to have it.
	Creation.
	Actual, in progress creation, albeit 7,000 years ago.
	But creation.
	It almost looked like, I would call it, I love naming things, the tree of life.
	Didn't it look like a giant tree trunk?
	With branches, and at the end of the branches, Like a lit Christmas tree?
	The birth of stars?
	Totally awesome.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Turn your radio off and tell us where you are calling from.
	Rochester, New York.
	Rochester.
	All right.
	The Big Wham.
	Yes.
	Well, actually, HTK.
	HTK?
	H-T-K? In 1280. Um, actually... But it's a W-H-A-M.
	They're sister stations.
	Um, okay.
	Well, you know, I don't say WHAM.
	I beg your pardon?
	I say WHAM.
	Yeah, WHAM.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	And would just sort of like to talk about maybe AM radio.
	Well, I'm all up for that.
	Okay.
	Am I live right now?
	You still have your radio on, don't you?
	I'm sitting down in the cellarway and trying to get away from it, but... I see.
	Well, it's confusing because there is a delay.
	That's the first thing about AM radio you've got to know.
	Talk shows.
	We have a delay.
	Seven seconds.
	And if you sit there listening to your own voice, it's going to make you sound very confused.
	Well, generally speaking, I'm very confused.
	I would like to congratulate your wife, first of all, for even filling out the forms for FCC.
	No kidding!
	Uh, for trying to get a radio license.
	No kidding.
	You have no idea, or maybe you do, what's involved.
	Well, I do.
	I mean, I would love to own an AM radio station.
	Well, it's FM that we're getting.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, that's just as tricky.
	Yes, it is.
	It is.
	And, uh, WHAM, this is the first night that you've been on the air.
	No.
	It's the first night.
	You've heard us.
	I took calls from Rochester for about an hour last night.
	Nothing but.
	Okay, then it's the second night.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Anyway, you do a great show.
	Well, it's eclectic.
	Well, I get to ask you one quick question.
	You mentioned Howard Sterns.
	Yes.
	Who I can't really stand myself either.
	What is your opinion of Don Imus?
	Don Imus is also somewhat irreverent, not like Stern, and he's funny.
	You know, he's funny.
	Even Stern, frankly, is funny, but Stern... I mean, you can imagine, I'm in a little farming town, all right?
	Well, I grew up in northern Vermont.
	Okay, so there you are.
	And we've got a radio station that is in between Las Vegas and Pahrump, my little town.
	And while Stern goes over, no doubt, very well in Las Vegas, which is very cosmopolitan, here in this little farming town, Stern goes over like a lead balloon.
	You're kidding.
	Would I kid you?
	No, you wouldn't.
	Actually, you're one of the few talk show hosts that really comes out with the truth.
	Well, I don't know.
	I come out with opinions.
	If you agree with me, then you're probably sitting there saying, God, that guy's really telling the truth.
	Otherwise, what a nerd.
	No, I mean, you don't have what gazpachos it takes to come out and say you're an atheist nowadays?
	My goodness!
	I'm not an atheist.
	Well, don't believe in God, but... Uh, yes I do.
	Oh, well... Sir, are you listening to my show?
	You're listening to some other show.
	Are you listening to Tom Likas?
	No, I'm not.
	No, look... You are!
	You're listening to Lycus, I can tell.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm not an atheist.
	Well, I didn't say... Yes, you did.
	You sound like Ethan Allen when you talk about God.
	I see.
	Well, no, there is... Listen, I've got to run, but there surely is a God.
	A creator.
	God is a name.
	I believe there's a creator.
	And I believe you can see his force at work in the photograph just taken by Hubble.
	Let me get this business, I'm an Atheist.
	I read a fax from Mark the Atheist down in Louisiana.
	I'm not an Atheist!
	I don't even really believe in Atheists.
	I mean, sometimes Atheists just say that to get people's attention, because I don't think inside they really believe it.
	Maybe they do.
	Maybe I'm not giving them proper credit.
	I don't know.
	I'm not an Atheist.
	The only person I know on the air who says he's an Atheist is Tom Likas.
	And we talked a little bit about that when we had a debate in Bakersfield.
	We'll be right back.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from November 2nd, 1995.
	Alright, here we go.
	East of the Rockies, you're upon the air.
	Hello.
	Good morning, Art.
	Well, good morning.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Indiana.
	Indiana?
	Out there right in the middle, huh?
	Yeah, and it's cold here.
	Is it?
	Winter has arrived.
	I think it's well on its way, sir.
	You know, when I was doing the interview yesterday in Kansas City, everybody was saying, it's snowing, it's snowing!
	And I was sitting here about 70 degrees.
	Well, you're one of the fortunate ones.
	You say that now, but then in mid-summer, I tell people, well, just hit 117 today, and they think harder about it.
	Right, right.
	Hey, I was wondering if I could get political on you for just a second.
	Sure.
	Hey, I was wondering, well, I'm a recent college graduate, and when I was in school, I found it very difficult to find time to stay caught up on political issues.
	Right.
	But now that I've had some time out, I've been listening to late-night talk shows, Reading editorials, things like this.
	I found myself looking at a gentleman for the presidential campaign, Alan Keyes.
	I was wondering if you've heard of him.
	No, I interviewed him.
	You did interview him?
	Sure.
	I must admit that.
	What's your feeling on... Well, I'll tell you why I asked.
	About a month ago, I was listening to your show, and a gentleman called in and said that he felt the greatest problem this nation faces is a moral dilemma.
	Alan Keyes is a wonderful candidate, but he will not win.
	Pat Buchanan is a wonderful candidate, but he will not win.
	Right.
	The race is going to be Bill Clinton, Bob Dole, and probably Colin Powell as an independent, or it's going to be Powell-Clinton.
	That's what's really going to happen.
	So we can talk about these other candidates, but I'm very pragmatic, and I know there's a core of really strong, strong support for people like Buchanan and Keyes, but it's very small, sir.
	So, I'm sorry.
	I believe that what I just said to you is accurate.
	It's going to be Dole.
	It's going to be, obviously, the President and maybe Colin Powell.
	Well, you're probably right.
	I just think that the issues that they talk about and that he's bringing forward Are not overlookable if we're going to try and solve some of the problems.
	What they're doing, sir, is not trivial.
	Pat Buchanan, Alan Keyes and others will push some issues into the campaign as it takes shape that need to be talked about.
	And so that's, I guess, how I view their function.
	And they will do it very admirably.
	Great.
	In other words, they will shape to some degree the debate And make the other candidates talk about things they otherwise wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole.
	Right.
	Which needs to be done.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, exactly right.
	So it's good to support their campaign, then.
	Yes, sir.
	Great.
	Well, thank you, sir.
	Appreciate your call.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air, top of the morning.
	Good morning.
	Hi.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Memphis, Tennessee, listening to WMC.
	The mighty WMC.
	Yes, sir.
	Yes.
	Talking with the guy about the FM station, the AM station, the paperwork being just about the same?
	Not at all.
	It depends on what you're filing.
	If you're filing a very complicated filing where you're putting up a very directional AM signal, then yes, it does get far more complicated.
	all your bills print readings and all your yet get going but but but trust me
	sir uh... the forms for and or a family are
	i think that all that there are Oh, they're very imposing.
	Yeah.
	I've seen several of them.
	I've seen some walk through the system.
	Well, I'm an engineer.
	You know, I had a first class radio telephone license when I was 13.
	Early on.
	But I'm not dumb enough to have done this myself.
	So I went out and hired professionals, you know, an engineering firm and attorneys and all the rest of it.
	God, it's a mess.
	Uh, how many, uh, what did you say your FM's gonna be?
	6,000 big ones.
	6,000.
	Are you gonna use an SCA also?
	Um, I think so, yeah.
	Ah.
	Do I put, uh, uh, something special on there for special subscribers?
	Well, uh, it's a definite possibility.
	Oh, yeah.
	Look, we're gonna do the whole thing.
	Uh, I'm really looking forward to it.
	I'm very excited about it.
	And you've got to admit, it's a pretty cool day.
	You know, the filing date closed, so I can talk about it now.
	The following day closure was November 2nd, the 75th anniversary of broadcasting.
	Pretty neat, huh?
	Well, that'll work.
	One other thing, your friend Charles, your acquaintance Charles.
	Charles?
	You know, the liberal guy.
	Oh, Charlie!
	Yes.
	What about him?
	I believe he's a sick man, and I would like to prescribe a single injection.
	Let's hold it right there.
	I can imagine the kind of injection you're talking about.
	It's the type you receive while you're strapped down, I think.
	Right?
	We'll be right back.
	This is Premier Networks.
	That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
	On this, Somewhere in Time.
	What will you do when you get lonely?
	No one waiting by your side.
	in love. I don't judge too long. You know it's just a foolish plan. Well, I've got me on, I need to tell you.
	Oh, I'm.
	I'm getting all these faxes from people down in Los Angeles, listening to KABC, and inevitably they're saying things like, you know, when you first came on the air, I didn't think I was going to like your program at all.
	But I was wrong.
	And that is because this program, kind of unlike others, It is eclectic.
	It is very different all the time.
	And I wrote in my book, I did a big part in my book.
	Here I go.
	Tomorrow night I'm going to open the lines on the book.
	Tomorrow night, I promised, and so I'm going to do it.
	But I wrote a big section in the book about my philosophy of talk radio.
	And I know that I'm right.
	And I really don't mean to put anybody else down, because I've really enjoyed Rush Limbaugh.
	Matter of fact, Mike Murphy and I talked about this yesterday.
	I did an interview on KCMO with Mike Murphy, or he did one with me, or interviewed me, I guess.
	And my philosophy of talk radio is that it shouldn't be any single thing.
	Now, this is no slam-on-Rush, because he does what he does very well, but it's... It wears.
	You know, I do a five-hour talk show.
	Now, some of you get three hours of it, or whatever portion of it you get.
	But I couldn't come in here this, you know, every morning and do the same thing.
	It bore me to death.
	And I think, ultimately, listeners, too.
	So we do whatever we do.
	Whatever it seems worthy of talking about, or fun to be talking about, or needful to be talking about.
	But it's hardly ever the same.
	That's how I can keep doing it.
	Because I like it.
	Actually.
	Actually, I love it.
	Um, alright, a couple of facts.
	Art, you're right, the President... Somebody called last hour and said, the President's a communist.
	I said, no he's not.
	They have convictions.
	So this person's sending one saying, Art, you're right, the President has no convictions.
	We'll have to see if we can't give him and Hillary a few.
	Followed by an all-expense-paid vacation in the Grey Bar Hotel.
	Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Pretty good.
	And then somebody here, Art, I sent you the Hubble photo via AOL.
	Well, I hope it arrives in a GIF condition or a JPG condition because sometimes when people send me things, they come in hex code and I don't know how to convert them.
	It's a mess.
	Anyway, it's signed Steve, and then it says, there's a little arrow pointing up to Steve, it says, yes, we're taking over.
	And then, that followed by this, Art, this is truly, truly blasphemous, without question.
	It says, Art, God has a name, and his name is Steve.
	Steve.
	Art, I think it's funny.
	Reed, odd.
	You and millions of others choose to repeat the same mistake Adam made in the Garden of Eden.
	He could have eaten of the Tree of Eternal Life in the Garden, but he chose to eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil instead.
	You'd do the same thing.
	Both trees are still here, but only a lightweight thinker would ignore immortality.
	When the other choice of pursuit, he knows the results in death.
	Ooh, gee, I'm pretty rough up in Gig Harbor.
	Well, the way I heard it, you know, Eve tempted him with the, I was going to say apple, the fruit, right?
	And he gobbled it up.
	Went for it, like a guy in ancient times.
	In modern times, he probably would have slit her throat Uh, taking the fruit, eating it, and then got off.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Goodbye.
	Uh, first-time caller line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hi, uh, it's Ron in, uh, Memphis.
	Hi, Ron.
	This is, uh, on, uh, WNNC.
	WNNC, yeah, a lot of calls from Memphis all of a sudden.
	I'm surprised.
	First time I traded a call and, uh, got in there.
	Well, that's why we have this first-time caller line, so that people trying to get through can get through.
	Right on.
	I just wanted to let you know that I also sent you the picture of the, I call it the pre-birth of the star, through ALL.
	Now, will it come in some sort of hex form?
	Well, I downloaded it from NASA.
	If you attach it, if you attach it to, I think, to email, then it comes as a GIF, or can be sent as a GIF?
	Yeah, it'll come to you as a GIF file.
	Oh, that's excellent.
	Oh, man.
	How did it affect you?
	It was actually kind of creepy.
	This is the first time I've seen it.
	I heard you talk about it on the air.
	Yeah, I wouldn't have said creepy.
	To me, it was spiritual.
	A spiritual thing.
	I mean, to watch creation, to watch a star being born.
	Now, did you actually see it turn to a star?
	Did it go that far?
	Well, the one they showed on the network, yes.
	Okay, well the picture that Natsa released is like these dark, almost like tree trunk figures.
	Yes, that's what I saw, tree trunks, yeah.
	Yeah, conglomerating together, but they don't fit into the actual star.
	Okay, the one on the network actually showed a star out on the end of one of the branches of the trunk, is the only way I can think to put it, and several stars, and it was just An amazing thing.
	You thought creepy, huh?
	Well, that was my first reaction.
	Kind of scary looking.
	First time I've ever seen anything quite like that.
	Well, there are those, I guess, who would watch the birth of a human being and think of it as creepy.
	Or, you know, some guys will watch and faint.
	But it's really quite a miracle.
	Life is a miracle.
	And the birth of a star is a miracle as well.
	It certainly is.
	All right.
	Well, thanks, Art.
	All right.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	Memphis, Tennessee, the mighty WMC in Memphis.
	Long Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	What's the expiration date on all the chicken little terrorists?
	I mean, are we going to be doomed to listen to them forever, or are they going to finally admit in a couple hundred years, for instance, that they're all wet?
	Well, they won't be here in a couple hundred years, right?
	They'll be far gone.
	Well, what if I'm an immortal, though?
	Well, are you?
	No.
	Okay, so you'll never get to say na-na-na-na-na-na.
	I will say na-na-na-na-na-na on my natural deathbed instead of being rammed by asteroids.
	It's a good point, sir, and since man has been walking around on Earth and able to talk, I'm sure there have been guys saying, Repent now, the world's about to end.
	Yeah, remember the cartoons of those guys in the long white robes and the beards and the signs walking around?
	The thing about it is, one day they'll be right.
	Yeah, probably.
	At least on a personal level.
	A couple billion years from now, the planet will probably go tits up on us, but that's alright.
	You know, I'm sure the dinosaurs were saying that.
	Walking around, crunching on the ground, eating leaves, saying, hey, isn't this cool?
	Nothing can ever happen.
	Look what happened.
	It's depressing.
	Well, not really, because if it hadn't, where would we get our oil?
	Oil didn't.
	You know where the oil came from?
	Look at a map of the oil deposits in the Middle East.
	Yes.
	And you'll see that all that stuff was deposited by an asteroid, a real high hydrocarbon asteroid.
	What?
	The Earth.
	Oh, come on now.
	No, no, look, look at a National Geographic... Sir, your second story is in conflict with your first.
	Well, maybe the same asteroid that deposited all the oil killed the dinosaurs.
	And the dinosaurs, however, the biomass in the living dinosaurs Wouldn't fuel a Honda Civic for more than a year or two.
	All right, thank you.
	Well, I appreciate your theories, but I think it is generally accepted, is it not, that the dinosaurs contributed greatly to the substance we know as raw petroleum?
	I think that is true.
	At least that's what I always thought.
	Maybe I'm wrong.
	Now, at first he said, there's nothing going to hit the earth, and then he said, well, The oil came from a grazing, he called it, of the earth.
	By an asteroid.
	You can't have it both ways, or I guess maybe you can.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hello, Art.
	Hi, where... I'm Eddie from Southern Pines, North Carolina.
	Southern Pines, North Carolina.
	Yes, sir.
	Yes, I wanted to comment on the concealed weapon.
	Heard on the news that there was a cop in Winston-Salem, North Carolina.
	That was off-duty and ended up in a shootout.
	Apparently he had an off-duty gun with him.
	Yes.
	He ended up in a shootout with a robber.
	Yes.
	And the robber shot at him and the bullet grazed his pants legs.
	Yes.
	And the cop returned fire and basically took him out.
	The guy died on his way to the hospital.
	Well then, bon voyage.
	Very.
	That's what I say, bon voyage.
	You know, it's nice to hear about the cops living and the bad guys not, occasionally.
	Yeah.
	One thing that is something you absolutely should not do, and that's shoot at a cop, on or off duty.
	Bad form.
	Well, a lot of times newspapers will have it like the chief are saying carrying a concealed weapon is a bad thing for the honest citizen.
	Oh, I see.
	So you're trying... Okay, I've got you, sir.
	You're trying to make the point that carrying a concealed weapon will reduce crime.
	And it's my view as well that a lot of people walking around with concealed weapons are going to make anybody committing a crime more nervous than they would be otherwise about doing so.
	It just makes common sense.
	In addition, Well, we have now a concealed law passed here in Nevada as well.
	And it is sweeping across the country.
	So as more and more people carry guns, legitimate, honest citizens, it is my view, there will be less crime, not more.
	And so far, stats seem to bear it out.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Well, hi.
	This is Jeff from Anchorage, Alaska.
	Hi, Jeff.
	How you doing?
	Very well.
	Yeah, listen, one of the things that was really interesting was that I happened to pick up your show just last Friday night, and it was unbelievable when I heard your conversation with Richard C. Hoagland, and following through then on with last night's show with Stan Dale down in Australia.
	Yes, last night's show with Stan Dale was awesome.
	Anyway, go ahead, sir.
	Okay, well, first of all, I also heard through a friend of mine that you had one time been up here on KENI Radio.
	I did the morning show on KENI.
	Yeah, well, I was real surprised.
	I said, geez, how come he left, you know, after listening to your shows for the last couple of nights?
	And a friend of mine told me he used to listen to you all the time.
	I said, geez, I guess maybe you didn't like Alaska or something.
	No, you're wrong.
	I lived there three years and I loved it.
	I absolutely loved it.
	Oh, it's a great place.
	I'm somewhat transplanted from California, and I've been up here about 15 years now.
	When one gal called from Anchorage last night and said, well, there was nothing there about Anchorage or Alaska in effect for the earthquakes, I said, jeez, I crossed my fingers and said, that's great, because we just had a big shaker here about two nights ago.
	I know.
	Actually, you've had quite a series of them, and you are part of the Ring of Fire, even though it's kind of icy.
	Yeah, no doubt.
	Anyways, the one thing that I think probably was most intriguing and a question that was... I mean, first of all, I was just totally mesmerized with Richard C. Hoagland's account of the tetrahedral physics.
	Tetrahedral.
	Yeah.
	And following through on with what was happening in Dayton, Ohio, at Wright Path.
	You know, and I kept kind of like thinking, well, you know, you're right.
	Nobody said anything on the news.
	They're being real secretive about the gentleman coming, as you had mentioned, that they might go down for that long elevator ride to see what is actually going on.
	Yeah, by the way, there was not one word of news on NBC, anyway, last night about the talks at Wright-Patt.
	The curtain of silence and secrecy has now descended.
	You know, we got to see him shaking hands grudgingly.
	I think that's the last thing we're going to see.
	Well, you know, and I agree with you 100%.
	And I guess I have to agree with you on a lot of things that you were discussing.
	In particular, the veil of secrecy that our government is not informing us or that they don't want us to know what's going on.
	And then, in particular, with what Stan Dale had said regarding the... I may have gotten this just a little bit off, but...
	I was talking about the anti-grav, or it was the thing that the technology was there.
	Yes, back in the 50s.
	Yes, yes.
	Anyways, I just find it all just totally, totally, 100% fascinating.
	And I think that the argument is there for me to convince my wife that it's finally in time to get a computer so that we can get involved and get on the Internet.
	Well, you're right about that.
	I absolutely love it, sir.
	Listen, I've got to scoot.
	Thank you.
	And so, very quickly, I'll give you my email address.
	I guess I ought to do that, huh?
	It is artbell, no spaces, just A-R-T, B-E-L-L, at A-O-L dot com.
	Very simple, artbell at A-O-L dot com.
	If you want to get into our news group, I can tell you how to do it on AOL.
	You internet people will know how to do it with various other providers.
	On AOL, you just go keyword newsgroups.
	When you get in there, hit expert ad, expert ad, and put in ALT.FAN dash, oops, let me begin again, ALT.FAN.ART dash in the middle, B-E-L-L.
	Easy as that.
	A-L-T dot F-A-N dot A-R-T dash in the middle B-E-L-L like the phone company.
	Sorry to be associated with such a name.
	cutting people off.
	Now we take you back to the past Next on Arkbell Somewhere in Time.
	Good morning.
	Hello, Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	I'm calling from a little town in northwest Connecticut.
	And the first time I heard you was last April when I was in Maui, Hawaii.
	All the way over in Maui?
	Yes.
	That's the first time I ever heard you.
	That would have been KHVH.
	And now you're in northwest Connecticut?
	Yes.
	And listening on what?
	W-H-A-M, Rochester.
	Rochester, blazing into Connecticut.
	Absolutely excellent.
	But, of course, there is some fading, and it's discouraging.
	Well, one way, I'll tell you what, you may remember from when you were on Kauai, I advertised something called the Selective Tenor.
	Yes.
	It will cut out 90% of the fading.
	And it's called Selective Tenor?
	It's called Selective Tenor.
	It's like $54 and something or another.
	Right.
	I guarantee you, 90% of the paving will be gone.
	It's amazing.
	Well, that's great.
	I was going to ask you how I could encourage local stations or in the stations in the area to carry a program because we sure need a breath of fresh air.
	Well, what town are you actually in?
	Colebrook.
	It's a population of about 1,200. 1,200?
	But of course, I'm not far from Hartford, which is WTIC.
	Oh, well, then I would say call up WTIC and say, hey, you guys, check this out.
	It's a little bit different.
	Yeah, I sure will do that.
	And I wondered if you ever heard any more, by the way, when I was in Hawaii, I heard you talking about the fellow that I think his name was Marky Markle.
	Oh no, you're talking about... I got news for you!
	Madman Markham!
	That's who you're talking about.
	Markham, right.
	Markham.
	Do you know who called me earlier today?
	Yes.
	Madman Markham!
	Wonderful.
	What's he up to now?
	Um, more of the same.
	Now, he didn't go into detail.
	And he was supposed to call me up at 9 o'clock tonight.
	And didn't.
	But, um, Madman... Madman's telephone is disconnected because...
	I warned him, I told him if he gave out his phone number on a national show like this and people were calling him up from Hawaii in the middle of the night and you know he wasn't getting any sleep and he was turning into more of a madman and so we had to disconnect his phone.
	But Madman will come back on and do an encore performance and tell us how his experiments have gone.
	Well, that could be interesting.
	It'll be coming on one of these days soon.
	Maybe he's made himself disappear and come back by now.
	Well, we'll have to find out.
	But the fact of the matter is, Madman still walks the face of the Earth, and I actually talked to him yesterday.
	Well, anyway, try and get somebody in Hartford to pick us up.
	I sure will.
	I find your show very interesting, and keep up the good work.
	Well, it is different.
	Thank you very much.
	Take care.
	Northwest Connecticut.
	Smaller town than I'm in here.
	Wow.
	All right.
	We'll be back shortly.
	The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
	More, somewhere in time, coming up.
	The End.
	The Beginning.
	The Beginning.
	The End.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM, from November 2nd, 1995.
	Good morning, everybody.
	Good to be here.
	I'm Art Bell.
	And, as you may or may not recall, depending on how long you've been listening to the program, we did a very significant interview with Chris Ruddy, the Pittsburgh Tribune reporter, who has doggedly been pursuing the Vince Foster case.
	The lead forensic expert who examined the so-called suicide note, or depression note, whatever you want to call it, of Vince Foster, which magically appeared, is Reginald E. Alton.
	And Reginald E. Alton is the Dr. Lee of handwriting.
	He is a world-recognized expert on handwriting examination and manuscript authentication.
	He has 30 years experience in the field of forensic document examination, has lectured during this period at Oxford University on handwriting and manuscripts, including the detection of forgery, underline that, forgery, and the identification of handwriting to doctoral and research students in the University of Oxford.
	In recent years, he ruled on charges that some manuscripts of the late C.S.
	Lewis were a forgery.
	He validated their authenticity.
	He's ruled on numerous questioned documents and antique manuscripts, some of great monetary value, including such noteworthy historical figures as Don Shelley, Christina Rossetti, to modern day authors like Oscar Wilde.
	He's been consulted by civil bodies and by British police authorities, has testified as an expert witness in British courts on criminal matters relating to Question documents, anonymous letters, and other forgeries.
	Ms.
	Charlton MCMA is an emeritus fellow of St.
	Edmund Hall University of Oxford, is currently Dean of Degrees at St.
	Edmund Hall, Oxford's oldest institution for undergraduates.
	He was a fellow tutor and vice-principal of St.
	Edmund Hall, has served as chairman of the English faculty, as well as lecturer at Pembroke Yes, I'm here.
	and exeter colleges in the university of oxford so uh... in other words a heavyweight and uh...
	i don't know exactly where he is but i know he's somewhere in jolly old england
	uh...
	uh... miss ralph are you there yes i'm here
	uh... well uh... first of all welcome to the program and
	hello to you Mr. Bell.
	Where are you, pray tell, in England?
	I'm sitting in the middle of Oxford.
	Oxford at the moment, okay.
	I take it you examined carefully, and I don't know a lot about handwriting analysis, so I'm going to ask you to just give me a little basic education by asking you the following question.
	How exact a science is One does a great deal of measuring, firstly.
	Secondly, it's an exact enough science not to want to do it from photocopies.
	In this case, the forgeries seem to me to be so Clearly a forgery that it was possible to pronounce it so even from photocopies of this curious document and from photocopies of authentic documents written by poor Mr. Foster.
	Here in America we were treated to the spectacle of the O.J.
	Simpson trial.
	And they had DNA experts who gave us mind-boggling numbers.
	Do you do that same sort of mathematical work when you try and determine whether something is a forgery?
	Some measurement, yes.
	Some measurement.
	I wouldn't say mind-boggling DNA statistics.
	In this particular case, And in most cases, it's possible to see with the naked eye, let alone through magnifying apparatus, that the hand that produced the question document is not the hand that writes normally as, say, poor Mr. Foster.
	In this case, even though it looked as though every attempt had been made to make things difficult for an examiner.
	It's very difficult to do this broadcasting with visual... talking about visual matters.
	Yes.
	It's very difficult to do this with the voice.
	Yes, well of course, radio is the theater of the mind, but If you can give it to us in layman's terms, what jumped out at you?
	You said it was very obviously a forgery, so something or some things obviously jumped out at you and said it's a forgery.
	The things that jumped out at me, the things that seemed to clinch the matter for me, were the fact that the forger had not understood the way Foster made the letters.
	He was able Somewhat laboriously, to reproduce the shapes that Foster made on the paper, but not, for instance, the characteristic number of strokes or the characteristic movement of the hand.
	Foster will use one stroke for miniscule b, lowercase b, The Forger uses three, and you can see that even from the photocopy, from where the letters are thickened on the page.
	Again, Foster's characteristic movement of the hand, and if any of your listeners are awake enough to do it, is to make a counter-clockwise movement, so that when he writes I-N, For instance, he writes a series of what are called swags, that is, saucer-shaped marks.
	He does it very elegantly, easy movement, rhythmic, really quite artistic to look at.
	Aesthetic it is.
	The forger, the forger's movement of the hand is quite contrary.
	He makes N with an arch more often than Foster does.
	And one has to count the number of letters and also makes copies of the documents and cuts them up into small pieces and puts them together so that you have, you're not being taken in by meaning on the page.
	Is that any help?
	Well, that has helped.
	I also understand it was ripped, I guess, into 28 pieces.
	Oh, that's an immediate signal that one ought to look with some suspicion at it.
	Any document which turns up unexpectedly, any manuscript, a literary manuscript, a valuable literary manuscript, anything which turns up unexpectedly and has been I'm not a fingerprint expert, so I don't know.
	I only deal with manuscripts.
	I don't know how you do it without leaving fingerprints.
	yes uh... is immediately should be immediately subject to suspicion and
	well what what added to that also is a fact that uh... how do you read something
	in the twenty pieces without leaving of fingerprints on just about every piece
	have met i'm not a fingerprint expert so i don't know i only
	deal with manuscripts i don't know how you do it without being fingerprint
	you wear gloves i suppose you wear gloves
	Now, I would like to ask you this.
	Which is an odd thing for Foster to do if he saw up this manuscript before it suddenly appeared a week late.
	I believe a briefcase was searched after three days, which alone is a bit late to search something after a violent death, a suicide, an alleged suicide.
	Then it was searched again about a Several days later.
	Was it possible or is it possible for you as a handwriting expert to determine whether this was done slowly and deliberately or whether it was a rather fast attempt at a forgery?
	Is it possible?
	It was done slowly and deliberately in my opinion.
	It is just like somebody copying a picture.
	The Forger copies what he sees, he makes quite deliberate strokes, and then he deliberately adds little bits where he's not got it quite right first time.
	It doesn't look written to me, which Foster's writing, which is open and easy and moves freely, does.
	I don't think, by the way, that these differences are because the writer was under stress.
	Uh, they're not.
	I've seen many documents, many pieces of handwriting written under stress.
	I've seen a lot of handwriting by undergraduates who are under stress of various kinds.
	They're work stress, or emotional stress, or sexual stress, or something.
	Or stress that you probably produce for them.
	No, no doubt.
	No doubt, no doubt.
	I try not to, actually.
	And I have a box of tissues there for them.
	I see.
	In case.
	I see.
	They get under stress.
	But it is not... The differences are not the differences I have observed in documents done under stress.
	All right.
	Well, finally, I guess I would ask you this, or perhaps semi-finally.
	You examined this document with two other handwriting experts, and it is my understanding they also came to the same conclusion you did.
	Is that correct?
	They came to the same conclusion as I did.
	I did not know either of them.
	I had not met either of them before.
	I had not met any of the people who asked me to look at the documents before I was met at the airport in Washington the day before the press conference.
	Are you on the payroll of the American Republican Party?
	Certainly not.
	I'm not on anybody's payroll.
	and the i didn't know i didn't know if the people this month to be uh...
	uh... should really like it or is it not normally ought to be for this kind of
	I never have.
	So then you do conclude, to summarize here, that beyond any shadow of a scientific doubt, this was a forgery.
	I conclude beyond any shadow of doubt in my mind that this document is a deliberate and Not very good forgery.
	That is such a startling conclusion with such very important implications, Doctor, that I'm wondering, have you been contacted by any Congressional or Senate staff or investigative committees in this country?
	No.
	Do you consider that to be a little more than passing strange?
	Well, I do now.
	I didn't know the background circumstances to this case when I agreed to look at a question document.
	I've now heard a lot of the background circumstances and it does look as though there are a lot of questions to be answered.
	I believe the investigation is still going on.
	Doctor, I want to thank you for joining us.
	I know you've got a very busy schedule.
	And we will scoot off now, but you really, really have added a great deal to what we've been trying to learn.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for ringing me.
	I hope your people will forgive me for boring them with these details, which are not easy unless you've got the thing in front of you.
	Not boring, Doctor.
	Thank you.
	Take care.
	Bye.
	That's Dr. R. E. Alton from Oxford.
	And if you did not By a lot of what Chris Ruddy had to say, then perhaps you absorbed what Dr. Alton just said.
	Now, Dr. Alton's job is not to deal with the implications of what the forgery means.
	That's our job.
	Do you realize what it means?
	Do you realize what it means?
	It means There was, at the very least, obstruction of justice.
	At worst, at worst case, a murder.
	Now, for no investigative body, Congressional or Senate, to have contacted the world's leading expert in handwriting analysis, is in itself a bit of a puzzle.
	Now, why oh why would not 60 Minutes, which went after Chris Ruddy, you'll recall, be interested in pursuing this?
	Why didn't we see this story last Sunday or is it going to be on next Sunday?
	In other words, where's the media?
	Sound of explosion You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM From November 2nd, 1995
	Music And again, I'm forced to wonder out loud, with the kind of evidence that you just heard, not from Chris Ruddy,
	But from the world's foremost handwriting expert at Oxford, declaring this so-called suicide note a forgery.
	Where's the investigation going?
	Why isn't it absolutely at, you know, Watergate-size headlines?
	We're either talking about obstruction of justice, should it lead to the White House, an impeachable offense, Uh, or, uh, worst case, murder.
	Uh, certainly, uh, a forged suicide note has got to lead one in, in one of those directions, not necessarily to the President.
	I'm not saying that.
	Does it touch the White House?
	What do you think?
	You tell me.
	Does it deserve to be investigated?
	What do you think?
	You tell me.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Art?
	Yes.
	This is Mark.
	This is one of the stranger logistical calls you'll get.
	I'm from Little Rock, but I'm in South Louisiana.
	OK.
	Picking you up on San Antonio Station.
	W-O-A-I?
	Yes.
	Yes, sir.
	OK, you were talking earlier about this FBI tapping phones.
	I didn't catch the whole deal.
	You kind of faded out on that.
	What was the deal on that now?
	Okay, well, it's simple.
	They are seeking permission, congressionally, to be able to tap in major cities across the nation about 1% of the phone lines, or about 1 in 100 phone conversations.
	Are you sure this isn't the KGB?
	We're moving so close to such a socialist society, it's pathetic.
	I'm sick to death of this.
	Well, I have figured out a way to defeat it.
	Even if they get it through, I know how to defeat it.
	Okay.
	Alright?
	Now, the way they do this is with new, high-speed computers.
	They don't actually have guys sitting there listening to conversations.
	What they do is they use computers and they look for keywords.
	The computer is searching for keywords in conversations.
	Like, kilo.
	Oh, okay.
	Or gun.
	Or bomb.
	Or explosion.
	And so from now on, if they pass this, everybody in America, during any normal conversation, right in the middle somewhere, just say, kilo, kilo, kilo!
	And they'll end up listening to so many conversations, That they'll just give up on the whole plan.
	Oh, yes.
	I heard on San Antonio Station 2, this is changing the subject, but there was another girl, she was 13, she was convicted today of suffocating two babies that she was babysitting.
	Oh my God.
	They're going to decide her fate tomorrow.
	You know, I'm shaking my head.
	It's the only time I wish it was TV.
	Thank you, my friend.
	I've got to go.
	Look, I don't know what to say about that kind of thing.
	It's good we can watch stars be born because otherwise it seems sometimes like we're watching the death of the human race.
	You are listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	tonight featuring coast to coast AM from November 2nd, 1995.
	So, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Art Bell, somewhere in time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from November 2nd, 1995.
	Live talk radio throughout the nighttime.
	Because the radio station you're listening to right now cares enough about you to have live talk radio on.
	So every now and then you might pick up the phone and call them up and say thank you.
	Because otherwise, who knows what you might be getting.
	Some regurgitated, recycled, relentless repeat.
	I don't know, anybody can do it.
	Yet another fact from Ann in Gig Harbor, Michigan.
	Oh, no, Gig Harbor.
	I'm sorry, Gig Harbor, Washington.
	Como country.
	KVI.
	KVI, Como.
	Tuopolies.
	Art, quit picking on women.
	She spells it W-I-M-M-I-N.
	Quit picking on women.
	God said it was Adam's fault, not Eve's.
	He said, quote, she was deceived, but Adam was not.
	End quote.
	She picked what she was tricked into thinking was good, but it was Adam who chose what he knew was evil.
	And then, this is a pretty good follow-up, Dear Art, you don't understand women?
	Art, I'm a woman, and I don't understand women.
	And she adds, also, if I get some Laprina and I spray it on my rear, will my boss disappear?
	Tracy Wenatchee.
	No, Tracy.
	But it will be a good symbolic thing for you to do and it will be cathartic for you, so spray away.
	And then one other item.
	Art, do not open that GIF file you'll be receiving from Steve.
	A source of mine in government intelligence, I can't say which government, has warned me that the Steve Consortium has developed a computer virus which they are spreading throughout the world via the net.
	According to this source, if you view the GIF file on your computer, your hard drive will be permanently infected with the virus STOOPID, which stands for Steve's To Undermine People Internet Daily.
	This virus is even worse than the good times virus.
	Because instead of destroying your system, it actually causes your system sound card to just repeat phrases like, Steve's will soon control the world.
	Followed by that disgusting laugh that all Steve's seem to have.
	Another side effect of the stupid virus is that instead of seeing the GIF image you were expecting to get, your system will instead Put your monitor into a continual loop of screensavers made up of mugshots of all Steve's.
	As I have said, this virus will not destroy your system.
	But after looking at all those Steve's, you might want to destroy it yourself.
	Tim, listening to KSFO in Foster City.
	Also, somehow, somebody managed to fax me a very legible Albeit a low-definition picture of these gaseous pillars, M16.
	My God!
	And that's the right word, God.
	How anybody could look at this and not detect the presence of a creator of creation in progress?
	This is the most amazing photograph I have ever seen.
	The single most amazing photograph I have ever seen.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	This is not our Bill.
	What have you done with him?
	I've killed him and replaced him, and I'm now taking his place permanently.
	Hey, that Linda Howe Bigfoot sound?
	Yes.
	My wife made that sound four days out of the month, every month.
	I don't think that's Bigfoot.
	Sir, could we please have your phone number and address?
	There's a whole group of gals who'd like to come and see you immediately.
	I'm sure that was just a joke.
	You know, it's jokes like that that end up these days getting guys strung up.
	Sometimes not by their necks.
	I guess I should be more careful.
	You should.
	Hey, I was just wondering if you wanted to hear a good ghost story.
	No, that's for Halloween.
	If you really, really have a good ghost story, save it for Halloween.
	Or maybe I'll be forced to do a semi-annual ghost show.
	Well, maybe I'll save it until next year.
	Would you?
	Yeah, it could wait.
	I appreciate it.
	I mean, it's kind of open to everything, but if I get going with ghost stories, I won't be able to stop it.
	You know what I mean?
	I know.
	Hey, you have a Kenwood 830?
	I do.
	I had a Kenwood TS-930.
	And it's still got tubes in it, glow-in-the-dark tubes, and I'm not giving it up.
	You know what?
	I wouldn't blame you, because I had a TS-930 with automatic antenna tuner in the whole nine yards, and I couldn't keep it running.
	A buddy of mine had an old Yaesu 101, and the receives used to make mine look deaf.
	And I think that my next radio's gonna grow in the dark.
	Yeah, well, good for you.
	And, uh, you know what else it'll do?
	What?
	It'll be a hell of a lot cheaper.
	Yeah?
	Alright, listen, I gotta go.
	That's Ham Radio Talk.
	Old radios versus newer technology.
	People laugh at me for my radio.
	But I'll tell you something, the old Kenwood 830, that's a DXer's radio.
	That's him talk to.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	Yes.
	My gosh, I can't believe I got through.
	It would seem you have.
	I've been listening to you for a few years.
	I just want to let you know that I really appreciate your show.
	Oh, thank you.
	Where are you?
	Fabulous Las Vegas.
	K-V-E-G-A-4-O.
	Affirmative.
	Anyway, the reason I called was that I've got a little audio tape that I'd like to send you and I don't know where to send it.
	And so you wish my address?
	Yes, if you can.
	Do you have pencil and paper?
	I sure do.
	Are you prepared?
	Yep.
	Art Bell, of course.
	Yep.
	Post Office Box 4755.
	P-A-H-R-U-M-P, Nevada, zip code 89041-4755.
	4755.
	Also, I have to give a little plug here for Absolutely Fresh Flowers, because I've ordered those several times for
	people, and they have been impressed every time.
	Oh, yes.
	Even the ones that got them twice.
	Oh, yes, sir.
	You're absolutely correct.
	They are very impressive indeed, aren't they?
	Yes, they are.
	Anyway, Art, I love Dreamland.
	Thank you.
	And I try to tune you in every time I can get you.
	I just wish that KBG would air it live.
	Yeah.
	Well, the thing is, at least they're errant, sir, and 10 o'clock is not a bad hour to start Dreamland, so... That's true.
	I'm very glad, and I'm very grateful to KVEG, not only for that, but for getting our entire program on, you know?
	Me too, and I'll be sure to let them know.
	Thanks.
	About Hubble, you know, if they can pick up things from 7,000 light years away... Yes.
	I wonder what they can pick up in our solar system that they're not telling us about.
	Well, those are the pictures they don't release.
	I mean, you would think... I mean, you're really right about that.
	They might pick up little guys walking around on the surface of Mars, you know, popping out of the red stuff every now and then, calling around for a while, diving back in.
	I gotta run.
	Thanks for the call.
	Okay, bye-bye.
	Take care.
	K-V-E-G.
	Las Vegas.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from November 2nd, 1995.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Morning, Art.
	Good morning.
	I was calling from Fort Myers, Florida.
	Yes, sir.
	To let you know that I was able to pick up the radio station from, where was it, 1180?
	Oh, you're kidding!
	You can hear Rochester, New York, down in Fort Myers?
	Yes.
	Holy moly!
	We used to have a station at 1200.
	It's off the air now.
	Well, that's of course San Antonio.
	Yes.
	And I was able to pick it up last night and tonight.
	It fades in and out, but when it comes in, it booms.
	Well, let's see, that'll be about, what, about 1,300, 1,400 miles?
	At least.
	Holy smokes!
	Ah, that's a big, ah, that's a big station.
	Yeah.
	I normally listen to you on 1240 down here, wink AM.
	Right.
	But, ah, you went off at 5 o'clock down here.
	Oh, that's right.
	And it's great hearing you.
	Well, it's great being there.
	I figured I'd give you a radio check, long distance, DX talk.
	That really is long distance.
	Ah, that's, that's so totally cool.
	Well, that's a clear channel frequency, truly clear, and they radiate equally in all directions.
	Wow.
	Imagine that.
	They can probably hear you in Newfoundland, then.
	Yeah.
	That'd be my guess.
	Yeah.
	And then we've got stations up in Alaska, for example, KFAR in Fairbanks.
	Yes.
	It radiates equally going up toward the North Pole, so figure.
	Yes.
	Thanks for the call.
	Thank you.
	Take care.
	That's some DXing.
	Some night we'll, uh, we'll see how far we really get.
	You know, we'll just... What I really wish I had is an international line.
	That'd be fun, huh?
	We're also on satellite, by the way, for those of you that are, uh, not aware.
	If you've got a home dish system, we are on, uh, F1, transponder number 5, 6.8 wideband audio.
	And they carry the entire program.
	And Dreamland.
	And a lot of other network products.
	So there you are.
	That's where we're located.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Art.
	Ooh, you have hum on your line.
	Hello?
	Yes, hi.
	You have hum on your line.
	I can't understand you, Art.
	Well, that's cool, because I can't understand you either.
	Well, I can, I mean, but you have hum on your line.
	I'm calling from Accessory Springs, Missouri.
	I'm listening to ATN.
	KCML.
	Yes.
	Uh-huh.
	I heard you were on today.
	I was on with Mike Murphy, yes.
	Well, I'm sorry I missed it.
	I stayed up late last night listening to your show.
	And fell asleep.
	Yeah, I know.
	That happens.
	Yeah, so I missed the interview with Mike Murphy.
	He's a great guy.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And we have a lot in common, and so we get along very well, and we just have a lot of fun.
	Well, I'm a night owl, so I really enjoy your show.
	This is the first time I've called.
	Well, I'm glad you made it through, sort of.
	Are you on a portable phone?
	No, I'm not.
	Well, in that case, you need to call the phone company and tell them you have hum.
	Hum.
	Hum.
	Okay.
	Okay?
	Yeah, okay.
	All right, my friend.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, I was on with Mike Murphy yesterday.
	Occasionally, I do those.
	It's getting to be a problem, though, because now with 230 affiliates online, there are a lot of requested interviews, and it's getting harder.
	You know, it really is.
	I mean, we do five hours here all night long.
	Five hours.
	And then when you add a sixth or a seventh hour, it does begin to get a little long.
	But still, I try, when I can, to do these, because it's kind of fun to go to the individual markets and talk to the people that otherwise don't get an opportunity to get through.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello, Art.
	This is Jeremiah from Evan.
	Gee, talk about a blast out of the past.
	Jeremiah, I haven't heard your voice in, I don't know, how long?
	Yeah.
	Well, I've got a couple things to talk about tonight.
	I mean, you could have died!
	That's true.
	That's true.
	Well, as I said, you know, I'm over my drug stuff, and I'm doing much better now.
	That's good.
	Yeah.
	But the first thing is Linda Howe, and she had a thing on PBS.
	Yes.
	For like, I think it was a three-hour special called Strange Harvest.
	Yes.
	On cattle mutilation.
	It was pretty cool.
	Oh, yes.
	It was very well done.
	Linda Howe began all this, not looking for crop circles or animal mutilations or anything else she approached this she was a did documentaries and investigative reporting and so she just fell into it I didn't know that but I thought it was really well done really well done well it is important to note in other words she did not start out looking into this field she simply made her way to it and then became fascinated in the way she went
	The other thing is the internet.
	Yes.
	Mainly BBSes.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	And from all the people I've talked to on the computers, they're really stuck up people, and they're very gullible.
	Oh, why do you say that?
	Well, I've posted a couple of things on one free night here from Denver, and people take everything you say very seriously.
	Very seriously.
	Well, look, I would take the internet about as seriously as my show.
	In other words, Jeremiah the Bullfrog, or anybody else who comes on here and says something on the radio, you're just saying something on the radio, right?
	And it's the same deal on the Internet.
	If you write a message in a news group or something, or whatever, wherever on the Internet, it's just somebody saying something.
	And you can't attach any more value to it than you would a phone call you hear on my show here.
	Well, my favorite flame on me was Forrest Gump on acid.
	Forrest Gump on acid?
	They called you Forrest Gump on acid?
	Mm-hmm.
	Not bad, actually.
	Thoughts are things, and things have wings.
	Later.
	Uh, okay, later.
	I've been flamed.
	Flaming means when you go after somebody.
	It's the Internet, uh, the Internet expression for going after somebody, and lots of people go after me.
	I learned long ago not to let it bother me, and it actually moved from that to, it invigorates me.
	I actually enjoy it.
	I suppose I ought not tell those who do it that I do, but I do really enjoy it.
	It's kind of like getting faxes from people who go after me.
	I like reading them.
	It's funny.
	I learned not to be offended long ago.
	Actually, any talk show host who does not monitor their mail and their email, if they have it, and everything else for a certain amount of hate If you're not getting that, you better be worried, because it probably means you're not doing very much of anything at all.
	Wall card line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Good morning, Mr. Bell.
	Hello.
	This is Leonard from Mitchell.
	How about that?
	What do you think of the birth of stars, Leonard?
	Did you see those photos?
	No.
	I don't have a TV, and I don't have a computer.
	Did you ever see the picture of the birth of a star on which two stars collide and as they separate they leave a third star between them?
	No.
	I don't know whether that was an imaginary picture or whether it was an actual photograph.
	It looked like a photograph.
	I've never forgotten that.
	But I was thinking about Ixy Waddle and Poco Caterpillar.
	Those are real tongue twisters.
	Yeah, and I refuse to do it.
	To me it's Mount Pogo.
	I'll tell you how to learn them, though.
	If you'll, uh, get on an airplane and fly from Mexico City to Guatemala City, they'll go right by those two granddaddy volcanic peaks, and they're really worth looking at.
	Well, that, that, alright.
	Uh, thanks, Leonard.
	That would be worth looking at.
	I'm glad, and I'd look down, I'd say, wow, look at that!
	Mount Poco!
	First time color line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes, good morning, Mr. Bell.
	Hello there, where are you?
	I am in Twin Falls, Idaho.
	Okay.
	WKIX.
	Yes, sir.
	And, uh, I was listening.
	I just, the last couple months, uh, I'm a wild mushroom picker, harvester.
	Um, you know, that's a very dangerous profession up in Oregon.
	That, that's exactly where I've been doing this.
	My wife and I for the last six years, since 89.
	However, Is it, is it dangerous there?
	Uh, we have finally gotten out of it as of this fall because we were Chased by certain ethnic people that are trying to take over that particular business, and they tried to shoot us.
	Uh-huh.
	A couple of questions.
	First of all, let's say those people weren't shooting at you and you had stayed in business.
	How lucrative a business is wild mushroom harvesting?
	In other words, how much money can you make?
	Quite frankly, and quite honestly, In the six years we were involved, we had days where both of us sold our mushrooms for over $1,700.
	A day?
	In one day.
	It's a rarity.
	Geez, I'd almost be willing to put on a bulletproof vest and arm myself and go out there and pick anyway.
	Well, that's for a particular variety of wild mushrooms that, right at this moment, they are harvesting right now in the Cascades.
	That being the Matsutake mushroom.
	The Matsut... excuse me?
	Matsutake.
	It is mainly consumed by the Japanese and I'm just so glad I got a hold of you to put this forum out there because a lot of people don't understand this.
	It's a multi-million dollar business and it's all virtually underground.
	Yep.
	All the people that are involved in buying it, they don't pay taxes.
	This stuff It gets shipped from where it's picked in the field, fresh.
	It goes overnight by refrigerator truck to Portland, Seattle, et cetera, et cetera.
	And it is directly shipped to Japan.
	I don't know how they get away with it.
	Just blows my mind.
	Well, you know what money does, and you know what the other stuff does.
	And so money moves mountains and mushrooms.
	But the whole idea is to push the white man out.
	I'm not, I'm certainly not.
	Uh, a prejudiced person, but when my livelihood, when I have to go out and get shot at, my wife and I pretty much decided that any amount of money at that point... It's very discouraging, yes.
	It's discouraging and it's just, it doesn't need to be, but the federal government, the United States Forest Service, protects these Minorities that are taking over this business or actually have taken over it.
	Well, that might be a little unfair.
	I doubt that they would condone the shooting of anybody.
	Absolutely do not condone any violence.
	Right.
	I'm going to have to run.
	But the man is right.
	The mushroom business is big business and lately a very dangerous business indeed.
	Well, look, if you leave us at this hour, Bon voyage for the rest of you.
	We'll be right back.
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	Which America do you think we are, folks?
	Are we the America of our founding fathers?
	The one that would pursue the truth for the sake of truth?
	Not for the sake of an agenda, but for the sake of truth.
	Are we an America that will ignore Uh, the world's foremost, uh, handwriting expert declaring a suicide note by the president's, uh, chief counsel.
	A forgery?
	Are we really that American?
	I wonder.
	I'm just a talk show host, you know, and I throw this stuff out.
	I thought it was important to get that on, and, uh, so now I guess I just ponder what will occur as a result of that.
	Which America are we?
	Are we really now in America where those with power, those with influence, can... I'll make it metaphorical, uh, for the sake of safety.
	Get away with murder?
	Maybe we are now that America.
	See, I can't believe that.
	That would be too sad.
	Why aren't you... You certainly are a... You'll buy anything, won't you?
	I've got a bridge for you.
	Of course we're that kind of American.
	I don't think so.
	But there are just flatting signs.
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	East of the Rockies you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Don from Fort Dodge calling.
	From where?
	Fort Dodge, Iowa.
	Excellent.
	Glad to have you.
	Well, thanks.
	Say, I think... I don't think everything is over with just because all the powers that be are ignoring Art Bell.
	Well, it's not Art Bell.
	It's Chris Ruddy.
	It's Dr. Alton and two other handwriting experts.
	It's...
	Either a pursuit of the truth or not, Art Bell doesn't have anything to do with it.
	Didn't you have a man on the air a few months back after the Oklahoma City bombing who was just so certain and had all this overwhelming evidence that the number two man for the bombing was there in Oklahoma City?
	They said they were pursuing somebody they considered to be a suspect.
	That's what he said.
	I see.
	Your memory is selective, sir.
	Well, it's selective.
	It's downright poor sometimes.
	Well, I mean, look, you heard the handwriting expert.
	I presume you did, didn't you?
	Yes, I did.
	All right.
	If you were a special investigator or special counsel or somebody who would decide, based on evidence placed in front of you, whether to investigate something or not, and you heard what I put on the air this morning, what would your decision be?
	There's nothing wrong with him being listened to, but you could probably find a half a dozen other experts who would disagree with him.
	It's not an exact science.
	I think we could all agree with that.
	He might be good at it, but there's a lot of guys good at it, and they probably can find a bunch of them that disagree.
	Yeah, but sir, even allowing for that, and I'll allow for that.
	Let's say it's not an exact science, although he to some degree certainly did argue with that, I think, effectively.
	But let's say it's not exact.
	It's still strong enough.
	That somebody should be pursuing the whole matter further, and if they don't, something is obviously wrong.
	That may be the case, but I still think you're overstating things when you say that America, as we know it, is no more.
	They may be looking into it, they just may not be making a bunch of noise about it right now.
	He's probably not being ignored.
	Do you remember the Watergate hearings?
	I'm not that old, but I faintly remember them.
	Um, that's too bad, because there was a lot of noise.
	You know, a big investigation and a lot of noise.
	And we have more evidence right now that should scream for an investigation than they had when Watergate began, by far.
	And there is a deafening silence, a better silence than I can get out my front door.
	Okay, well it's just that I can remember when you had the The man from Oklahoma City.
	The man from Oklahoma City was a very reputable man.
	He made a heck of a name.
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	You're wrong again.
	See, your memory is very selective.
	He was an investigator for the television station, KFOR television in Oklahoma City.
	Oh, okay.
	I remember that.
	I thought he was an investigative reporter, but he's just an investigator.
	An investigative PI.
	But anyway, I just remember him.
	I was just waiting for the story to break, and it just never did, or at least it hasn't yet.
	And nor has it changed.
	Well, maybe you should get him back on there and see what he's up to.
	Well, maybe we should.
	I appreciate your call.
	Thank you.
	Thanks, Art.
	All right.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi, Art.
	I'm calling from Seaside, Oregon.
	Yes.
	And I was just watching CNN.
	They were showing those pictures of the star being born.
	Is that amazing or what?
	Oh, it's just gorgeous.
	But there's two angles.
	They show it, you know, kind of like the fingers going to the left of a TV screen.
	Then they have it where it's going straight up for the arm of sculptures.
	And it looks just like fingers.
	I know.
	Like a hand.
	It is so beautiful.
	I know.
	I know, but... It's creation.
	Yeah.
	Well, it is.
	It is kind of awe-inspiring, but I agree with someone who said earlier, what are they not telling us that we are already finding out there?
	Some spectacular things coming.
	Well, I don't know.
	What's in that photograph is as good as any science fiction book anywhere.
	Yeah, well, I don't think we need to live with much science fiction anymore.
	Most of what, like, Jules Verne came true, and then every time we talk about science fiction, it becomes the now science.
	It certainly does.
	Yeah, and I want to thank you.
	You have such a nice show.
	Oh, thank you.
	And I get you in about 16 different ways, probably, on the coast here.
	You do, huh?
	Well, I get five or six stations.
	I get as far as Spokane, sometimes Salt Lake, sometimes Reno, sometimes Eugene, sometimes Portland.
	All depends on the atmosphere.
	Yeah, we're right on the ocean here.
	Well, then I think that does enhance Skip a little bit.
	I want to ask you something else.
	Sure.
	With all the things that you talk about on your show, how do you balance it without getting too anxious about the possibilities of the things that could happen?
	I know you encourage people not to get ternoid.
	No, I do.
	And I balance myself in a lot of different ways, ma'am.
	And I don't always succeed.
	And I don't mean to give that impression.
	There are times when I am affected by what I do.
	But I try.
	I mean, you know, life is life.
	And if a comet's going to come crashing into Earth, basically, I can't stop it.
	Well, I'm worried about the tsunami that we're going to get here in Oregon.
	I've been prepared.
	That's another good thing.
	If a hundred foot wave is going to come washing over your head... You don't have a chance anyway.
	There's not a lot you're going to do about it.
	Yeah, unless you get some warning.
	Try a little body surfing for a few seconds and then it's over.
	Well, I know something else I wanted to ask you from a long time ago when you first had the alien thing going about the autopsy.
	Oh, yes.
	And I got your newsletter.
	Yes.
	When I opened that and I saw those figures, every time I see a crop circle, I get the same impression.
	I know what they are, but I can't tell you.
	It's like I've seen them, or they're in my mind somewhere, or I've seen them somewhere.
	But when I see a crop circle, I'm almost certain there's a message there, but I can't translate it.
	You're not yet to the mashed potato stage.
	Well, I don't know what you mean by that.
	Well, don't you remember Close Encounters of the Third Kind?
	Oh, no, no.
	Remember the mashed potato thing where it was building the little... No, it makes me calm when I see it, though.
	It's like a lot of the things that, you know, if they're coming out about this, it's like, okay, I know that.
	It's okay.
	I don't feel scared of that.
	I'm not beyond believing there is a conditioning process underway.
	I believe that, too, because I know that there was inkling that they knew about Pegasus 51 a couple of years ago.
	And for it to be released now.
	There sure have been a lot of recent discoveries, haven't there?
	Makes you stop and say, well, it's like the guy last night from Australia.
	You stop and evaluate your personal life, and you live your life according to what you can.
	That's right.
	And you hope you don't get run over by a Mack truck.
	That is about my attitude.
	And I don't commute anymore, so my odds of getting hit by the Mack truck are reduced.
	Well, and I'm disabled, so I don't hardly go anywhere either, so... Well, there you are.
	Alright, thank you very much for the call, and just hang in there.
	Dealing with current events and news and things I do, you have to learn some sort of balance.
	And as I said, I do not always succeed.
	I'm a human like everybody else.
	Some of the scallion stuff, um, gets to me.
	But, again, you know, what are you gonna do?
	I suppose if California drops off and falls into the ocean or something, I'll take notice and I'll say, well, gee whiz, better move east.
	But I don't know.
	Where are you going to go?
	If Scallion's future map were to be, life on this planet would never be the same again.
	Ever.
	Well, you should never say never, but generally speaking, in the foreseeable generations, it would not be.
	It would reshape everything.
	I'm not saying all life would be extinguished, because it would not.
	But it wouldn't be the same for a long time.
	So you contemplate these things as you do the birth of stars, and photographs of the birth of stars, and the process of creation, and all of these other things.
	They're wonderful to contemplate, and so I'm happy to be around contemplating them, and I settle for that.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Yeah, Art.
	Do you recall when they were investigating the Koresh problems and those two ATF agents were in the gun shop and the guy that owned the gun shop called Koresh and invited them to talk to him and Koresh offered them to come out and inspect his armory?
	I do.
	Now that was sworn testimony, so I'm assuming it has to be true.
	So nothing was done about that, so there was no need Uh, to cover up or anything else that the ATF had an opportunity at any time that they wanted to go out there and inspect his arms and see if there's any problems, which they didn't.
	And it led to a whole bunch of other problems.
	Then we get back to Ruby Ridge and we see a whole flock of things that went on within the ATF and the FBI.
	Yes, yes.
	And then you get back to, uh, uh, this, what do they call it?
	Uh, when Hillary was trying to switch the agency for, Travel arrangements and everything.
	Travelgate.
	And they called in the FBI to validate what they claimed was wrong with that bunch of people.
	We get down to this forgery thing, and this note was given to the FBI for inspection for forgery, and they only looked at one other document that he had written on.
	They came back and said, this is obviously a valid document.
	Now, what does this profile tell you about what's going on here, about the accuracy and the efficiency of these agencies that we're dealing with here?
	Well, we already know there is an international group that's going to look into the FBI's crime line, because of exactly those kinds of problems.
	So, what does it tell you?
	I'm not concerned about the FBI, sir.
	They'll be looked into.
	I am well aware that they only looked at one example of handwriting to come to the conclusion they did.
	I'm saying that I just presented stronger evidence than theirs, uh, that it is a forgery.
	Now either something happens as a result of that or not.
	Either that is a, um, an absolute reason To force an investigation that will either confirm or deny what was just heard on my program a couple hours ago.
	You know, or it's not.
	And if it's not, then that means there are basic things that have changed about America.
	Since even the days of Watergate.
	You see, I lived through those days.
	I remember.
	So I guess I'm a little philosophical about the whole thing.
	I probably ought to be angry and jumping up and down.
	I just laid it out.
	And either somebody's going to pick it up and say, look, this demands, this is evidence that demands an investigation or not.
	Simple as that.
	You tell me.
	And your answer says a lot about what kind of America we live in right now.
	And I'll repeat for effect.
	It's not an agenda.
	All right?
	I'm not a Clinton basher.
	I don't like President Clinton.
	I'll be flat-out honest with you.
	Some guy called early in the show this morning and said he's a communist.
	I said, no, he's not.
	No, he's not.
	He's not a communist.
	He's a communist.
	They have principles.
	Albeit ones we don't agree with, they have principles.
	Things they believe in.
	To me, our president Is without any basic grounding, with the exception of the desire to be reelected and be in office.
	So, I really don't, I don't, I can't say that I hate him, because I don't.
	I don't hate President Clinton.
	He's been kind of a mediocre president.
	He's done a lot of things I certainly disagree with.
	But if you think that I put on this expert in handwriting, the world's foremost expert at Oxford, to go after Clinton for political reasons, you're all wet.
	Absolutely, flat out, all wet.
	I did it just in case anybody out there cares to pursue the truth.
	If it's important anymore in this country.
	With regard to Ruby Ridge and Waco, God knows we've got just the ending of another Waco hearing.
	Ruby Ridge, we know a lot about that, don't we?
	We know what they did wrong there, don't we?
	There's been testimony.
	There's been people copping the fifth.
	It's not over.
	There may be people indicted.
	So we know a lot about Ruby Ridge, we know a lot about Waco, but what do we know about the supposed suicide of Vince Foster?
	You tell me, what do we know?
	Well, we now know that the suicide note, according to an expert, is in all likelihood a forgery.
	In fact, he was quite plain about it.
	Now, what does that mean?
	If the note was forged, I don't want to lay it out for you.
	You lay it out for me.
	What does it mean?
	If that note is a forgery, what does it mean?
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, R. This is Nick over in Seattle.
	Good.
	Welcome.
	Yeah, I'm calling on Como now.
	I'm not KVIS, so... That's right.
	Switch over at 1 o'clock.
	Yep.
	I got some information for you to pass along.
	Okay.
	You said you did not have a picture of the stars or not?
	Well, I don't have a GIF file of it yet.
	Okay.
	I can give you three of them.
	Wow.
	I have the web address at NASA, and if you want that, I can give that to you over the air.
	Well, you're welcome.
	Is it a long address?
	Yes and no.
	It's at NASA, basically.
	If you go to NASA, their main office on the web, their public address office, they have all, the public affairs office, they have all the images you ever want.
	Can you go to the web crawler and just enter the keyword NASA and that'll take you there?
	Exactly, that's how I did it.
	Alright, there you go.
	These long, I'm telling you, I let people give out web addresses.
	It's just almost impossible.
	I mean, it goes on and on and on and on.
	They've got to figure out an easier way to get addresses on the web.
	Oh, yeah, definitely.
	They're just getting too long now.
	They got, I mean, almost 30 characters at least now.
	I know.
	And then they get longer and longer as you get files and stuff like that.
	I know.
	Don't shorten up eventually.
	Hey, what about that picture, though?
	I think I've never in my life seen anything like it.
	I look forward to the high quality image that I'll get on my computer.
	Oh yeah, they got three different kinds.
	They got a real general medium color resolution.
	They got a really high black and white one.
	It's extremely good.
	Yeah, when you looked at it, and when you sit there and look at it, what kind of feeling comes over you?
	A sheer awesome power.
	That's the best way to describe it.
	And to be honest, I'm not a real religious person, but when I did see that, it did kind of like, it looked like almost the hand of God or something like that.
	That's what I thought.
	I saw the three fingers almost like the hand of God.
	You know, like a star or something.
	It is pretty amazing sight.
	And I can't even believe how big this is.
	I mean, they said on the news that this thing, the Earth is one little dot on this page.
	Sir, it seems illogical to me that there is not a higher force behind it all.
	Yeah, it's incredible.
	It's just amazing.
	This is actual 7,000 years ago.
	You know, where are we 7,000 years from now?
	Yeah.
	It's wonderful.
	I mean, it's almost like 2010, where, you know, something wonderful is going to happen.
	Well, that photograph is almost something wonderful.
	When we're getting close, I'll tell you that much.
	Yeah.
	I got a feeling.
	We're getting close.
	Thank you, sir.
	Sure, no problem.
	Take care.
	It is that impressive.
	The photograph, obviously, is going to rapidly circulate, and by morning I will have some good copies, and we'll take the best of what I find and put it on the bulletin board for you.
	It is like the hand of God, though.
	How can you watch the creation of stars?
	The actual creation?
	Albeit 7,000 years ago, you're actually watching a star being born.
	And if you didn't see the photograph, There are not words that will do justice to what Hubble picked up.
	I think we just paid for Hubble.
	This photograph will, for the rest of our lives, I'm sure, be shown.
	It was and is remarkable.
	And how somebody can look at that and not imagine the hand of a creator is beyond me.
	I'm not a thumper.
	You know me, I'm not a thumper.
	But there is a force that we do not understand.
	Some of you will say, well, I understand it.
	There is a force that I don't understand that is behind that.
	And that's about as far as I can go.
	I do believe that there is a creator force.
	And that is comforting, and that photograph, for that reason, for me, is not eerie or scary.
	It is actually comforting.
	This is Premier Networks.
	That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
	This is a test.
	I wonder if we can find it.
	But...
	It's been a long time since I've been out of the game.
	I think the game won't be over until it's over.
	It's time to get out of here.
	Yeah!
	It's time to leave.
	Yeah!
	I don't want to go back to the city.
	We can't go back to the city.
	I want to go back to the city.
	What?
	We can't go back to the city.
	I want to go back to the city.
	We can't go back to the city.
	Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM, from November 2nd, 1995.
	I've got a fax here that I'm going to read, and I'll deal with it in a second, concerning Vince Foster.
	And, uh, the hearings yesterday, and I was aware of it.
	Um, I will read the fax and deal with it.
	Uh, I didn't bring it up for a good reason, but I will read the fax.
	Uh, here we go.
	The following occurred yesterday in the Senate Whitewater hearings.
	During a series of intense questions regarding phone records, Maggie Williams, Mrs. Clinton's Chief of Staff, answered, quote, the night Vince was killed, end quote, and then quickly corrected herself to the night Vince committed suicide.
	This was about a half hour into the hearing.
	I've got it on tape if you'd like to hear it.
	I did hear it.
	Thank you.
	Please verify an error if you feel it is relevant.
	Either way, it sure was an interesting slip of the tongue.
	I was going to phone, but I felt you'd rather have the choice of airing this or not.
	Thanks again for all the great information, Bonnie, of Foster City.
	Well, Bonnie, yes, I was aware of it.
	It's just that I think that if we want the investigation to move forward, We're not going to do it on the backs or the back of a slip of the tongue.
	We're going to do it with what the kind of thing that I gave you and everybody else this morning.
	That is what's going to push a deeper investigation.
	So I was aware of it.
	It is interesting, but it would be regarded as generally irrelevant.
	uh... by anybody who would be considering a uh... you know a further investigation or probe into the whole vince foster matter now what i gave you this morning is not irrelevant and would be considered by anybody judging whether to further investigate as uh... undeniably important uh... information demanding a pursuit So I chose not to air that, even though I was aware of it.
	I saw it.
	Interesting, but maybe I watched too much of Judge Ito, you know?
	When you're considering what it will take to force a further look, a slip of the lip will not do it.
	But a world-renowned handwriting expert, and two others, will.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Uh, yes, Mr. Bell?
	Yes.
	Yeah, this is Terry.
	I'm from Alton, Illinois, which is right next to St.
	Louis.
	Yes, sir.
	Uh, I only have a couple things to tell you, one of which would be, uh, we listen to K-Ram 1380.
	Yes.
	But, uh, we're not picking you up very much.
	I know.
	Oh, you do know?
	I know.
	Okay.
	Uh, I will give you a little information, okay?
	Okay.
	Um, beginning in about two weeks, look for us on KSD.
	KFB?
	Yes, sir.
	KFB, okay.
	You know what the car numbers are?
	Oh, um, well, um, you know what?
	I have forgotten.
	Uh, it's way down low on the dial.
	I'm sorry, I've forgotten.
	Okay, sir.
	It's, uh, a far more powerful, uh, station.
	Okay.
	Uh, another thing I wanted to tell you, is it okay if I say something about ghosts?
	Well, uh, ghosts or ghost?
	Uh, ghost.
	Just a second, I got... Hold on, just one moment, because it'll only take two seconds.
	Alright.
	I'm not going to say something about ghosts.
	Boy, that sure was a good letter from an immortal woman.
	All right, are you back?
	Yes.
	All right.
	I had a plumbing problem here and the whole thing busted.
	Anyway, the other evening on 94Hour, we were just talking about ghosts.
	Have you ever heard of a gentleman called Robert Wadlow, they call the Alton Giant?
	No.
	Okay, well he's pretty well known throughout the whole United States.
	He was like 8'11 or something and he died very young.
	He died many, many years ago.
	Anyway, the house that my wife and I own... Oh, is this a ghost story?
	Yes, it is.
	I'm kind of not taking them because if I get started with ghost stories again here, I won't be able to stop it.
	Okay, that's okay.
	If you've got a really good ghost story, save it.
	We may be forced to do a semi-annual ghost show.
	Okay.
	So when I do a show, save it for that.
	I'll do that, sir.
	Alright, bless your heart.
	And one other thing, I'm still in the reserves, but you know that fella that always calls in?
	I always get him confused with that guy that claims to be a Democrat, Charlie, or something like that.
	Well, there's Charlie, and then there's Doc Democrat, and then there's a bunch of others.
	It's the Charles guy.
	The other evening, right before the radio went on a blink again, when you were talking to somebody that was having that dispute or whatever conversation, I'm inclined to go along with what he said and what you said as well, that if asked, would he go to Bosnia?
	Well, he answered the question right there.
	He sure did.
	He said no, and that's a perfectly good reason why he likes President Clinton, having been to Vietnam myself for 18 months and two other wars.
	I think he fits right up there with Willie.
	Appreciate your call, sir.
	Thank you.
	It would take an unusual person, which President Clinton is, to be able to order 20, 25,000 Americans to go stand in Bosnia in the middle of the landmines and all the danger, when he was not himself willing to fight in a war which, though very controversial, arguably had more national security uh... reasons to be fought then uh... what we're going to have to do in bosnia it would truly take a person with malleable principles how's that malleable principles to be able to give such an order west of the rockies you're on the air hello hi art this is joseph from royal randy how's it going?
	fine yeah uh... you know when i first heard about that uh... vince foster thing I mean, it was just too off the wall.
	Even when I first heard about the alleged suicide, it was just too fantastic.
	Yeah, I felt wrong.
	Yeah, I had bad feelings about it, and I still do.
	But I wanted to congratulate you on your trip to Peru.
	Well, I haven't made it yet.
	Well, when you go.
	I think I am going to go, yes.
	Yeah, I want to go, too.
	You do?
	Yeah.
	I mean, well, not with you, but by myself.
	Well, that'll be all right.
	You don't have to go with me.
	I'm always interested in... I called you about the crop circles a while back.
	Yes.
	And the lady that had called you earlier about them?
	Yes.
	she uh...
	with pocket she had she actually without even knowing could given an
	explanation but that uh... i i feel that there's some kind of uh...
	uh...
	their universal thought patterns uh... central waking uh... are interbeing
	well then why don't they write them in some way that we can understand
	In other words, like, you know, instead of these hard-to-understand circles and symbols, symbology, why not just say, humans, get it together or else?
	Well, in effect, they are how we understand truth.
	Well, I'm sorry, you're going to have to give me something more to go on than that.
	What evidence can you give me that these crop circles have any meaning whatsoever?
	All we have to do is just look in the mirror at ourselves.
	Well, okay, thanks.
	That's an answer, but it's not one that I'm looking for.
	I'm not saying the crop circles do not have some meaning that we have not yet managed to grasp.
	They are interesting, they're intriguing, they're not... I've seen no ready explanation for them, but I've also seen no interpretation or scientific analysis of what they do mean.
	By anybody.
	So, if they wanted the message to be clear, it should be written in English.
	And now, believe me, if that began appearing in fields around the country, get it together, or the Petri dish is about to be cleaned out, something along those lines, then we'd have something to go on.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hey, Art.
	Calling from K.R.
	Denver.
	Yes, sir.
	Yeah, this is Jerry.
	All right.
	Listen, just a couple notes on the Vince Foster thing in media.
	Sure.
	About, I think it was a week ago Sunday, the New York Times did a real hatchet job Yeah, and that was just, interestingly, a couple of days before he was on your show with the new evidence.
	But also, on the good side, the day before yesterday, Rush did a segment.
	I know, I heard it.
	Yeah, well, I was glad because there were so many listeners and I thought, geez, finally catching up to Art here.
	The other good thing today is that I finally did on a regular news channel a rather sarcastic statement from Senator D'Amato about these hearings and how it seemed rather odd that nobody in Hillary Clinton's office was able to recall any of these telephone conversations.
	Well, Senator D'Amato's sarcastic about a lot of things, but Yeah, you're right.
	Yeah, in other words, you really deserve some congratulations for being on this thing, as you've been.
	In fact, I'm one of the guys who called in to talk to Chris Ruddy that one time.
	Oh, yes.
	I remember asking him about the cover-up, if you want to call it that, with the driving accident.
	And he said it was interesting how they hushed that up so quickly.
	Anyway, some things are happening, and I think they're in large part due to you, so I hope you get some response from what you're doing, Art.
	I thank you, my friend.
	Okay.
	I'm not an investigator.
	I repeat, I'm just a talk show host and I'm just trying to follow the truth.
	Follow the path to the truth.
	And I think it was a great book title, wasn't it?
	Referring to religion.
	Evidence that Demands a Verdict.
	Well, let's change it a little and say evidence that demands an investigation.
	Sound of explosion.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from November 2nd, 1995.
	Back we go east of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
	How you doing tonight?
	Okay, where are you?
	I'm in Braden, Florida.
	Bradenton, Florida.
	Excellent.
	Glad to have you.
	I was just calling because it's interesting.
	You're talking about having a hard time convincing people to look into stuff.
	I just talked to Dan Miller's office yesterday.
	He's our congressman over here in this area.
	A few of us got together and have been looking into a lot of stuff, including Waco and the Oklahoma City bombing and a lot of other stuff that involves Clinton.
	But we can't seem to get anybody interested in the stuff that we have.
	Well, what do you have?
	Well, I've got, I don't know if you've seen it, there's a couple videos out that were made by Linda Thompson on Waco.
	You mean the same Linda Thompson that called for people to go marching on Washington and have people's trials and hang congressmen from the street if they don't meet her demands?
	That sure sounds like a great idea.
	No, I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	Well, no sir, stop.
	Linda Thompson was on my program.
	Back when she was doing her initial work on Waco, it had value.
	Linda Thompson blew herself out of the water.
	But not the pictures.
	Yes, yes.
	I'm talking about the pictures.
	Yeah, even to some degree there.
	Because there is continuing photography showing that tank continuing to pull back and showing clearly An item on it, Bernie.
	It was a computerized digital enhancement.
	The actual video that she had was analog video.
	Well, the reason you can't get anybody interested is because Linda Thompson hurt herself.
	Well, I agree with that, but I'm saying, as an individual, let's set her aside and say, yes, she's a nutcase.
	I don't disagree with that at all.
	I didn't say that.
	Okay, well, I will say that.
	If she's calling for the overthrow of the government, With violent means, of course.
	That's ridiculous.
	You know that she did that on this program, and I actually went live for an extra hour.
	I couldn't believe she was saying it.
	I wanted to give her a chance to take it back, or squirm out of it, or whatever, and she just dug a deeper hole, and that show ended, and I never had her back, and I never will.
	Well, I don't disagree with you there.
	My point is simply that The second video that she made is just chock full of not only video pictures, but also documentation of different things that clearly show that... Yeah, not all her work was bad.
	Look, sir, we all know there's a hell of a lot that was wrong with what occurred at Waco and Ruby Ridge.
	But these things are being investigated still.
	We just got done with more Waco hearings.
	Ruby Ridge yet will produce, I feel, indictments.
	But the Vince Foster case, sir, that one is like all but signed, sealed, and delivered as being a suicide.
	Well, did you read the article that came out last week about the grand juror that was thrown out of the grand jury?
	Uh, he wanted to talk out about the larger conspiracy on the bombing.
	Did you hear about that?
	No.
	Hoppy Heidelberg, 55 years old.
	He was one of the grand jurors and he was thrown off because he said that there's a lot of evidence that's being covered up by the government of a grand conspiracy of many more people than the two that they've arrested.
	Well, um, I would say that grand juror might have been out of line.
	In the article, I'm reading it here, it says, I don't... It is not for an individual grand juror to get up proclaiming conspiracies and blah blah blah.
	It is for the grand juror to sit there and receive evidence And decide whether indictments are justified based on that evidence.
	They refuse to show the evidence.
	He says there's considerable evidence that there were more than two people involved that should have been presented and the families of the victims... Well, if the evidence was so strong, then why didn't the rest of the grand jury walk out?
	Well, I'm sure that they're considering that.
	I certainly would.
	I have more evidence than the government cares to talk about.
	I'm one of those people that have nothing better to do with my life than to Than to dig around and sneak around and try to figure things out?
	The trouble with that is, you listen on the air, the trouble with that is, and I think that's what happened to Linda, you can become involved in this so-called, I'll put it in quotes, patriot movement, and there is so much disinformation, misinformation, Uh, downright paranoia that if you've got, as you just said, too much time on your hands, you can begin to get to be affected by it.
	And I'm telling you because I received daily doses of it by fax.
	Uh, to the degree that I had to threaten to sue some people to stop them from sending me faxes.
	And I would have too.
	I was all prepared.
	I don't want to see that tripe.
	There are proper venues for investigation.
	And a lot of what's going on out there in, again, this so-called quote, patriot community, is downright dangerous paranoia.
	And it's going to lead to more anti-government bombings.
	It's going to lead to, eventually unchecked, a clash between the militias and the government And maybe more.
	It's dangerous.
	We still have a system that allows proper investigation of apparent wrongdoing or alleged wrongdoing.
	And we'd better stay within those guidelines.
	And when we leave them, we do so at the peril of all we have built.
	Long Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello, Ward.
	This is Dan in the U District.
	Hey, Dan.
	And guess what was in my mailbox yesterday?
	My book.
	You got it.
	And I'm not going to rush into it.
	I'm going to take it a little bit at a time, sort of savor it like a fine wine.
	Well, I will ask you only this tonight.
	Is it a beautiful book or what?
	Fabulously beautiful.
	It surpassed my expectations.
	When you said it was a work of art, you hit the nail on the head.
	Well, I wanted it to be special, and you know I was approached by HarperCollins and a bunch of other big ones.
	What I wanted is what I got, and it is beautiful.
	And tomorrow night, I'm going to set us on a line, finally.
	I've been trying not to talk about my book.
	I'm going to set us on a line, and I'm going to let people like you, who have the book, talk about it.
	Well, I don't see anything wrong with you talking about your book.
	Well, I know, but...
	Put out a book like that, I'd be real proud of it.
	I am proud of it, sir.
	I'm so proud of it that I burst.
	But I wanted to wait until it got into enough hands out there so it was realistic to open the phone lines.
	It is there now.
	A lot of people will get it, no doubt, also on Friday.
	Right.
	And we'll let the audience decide.
	Oh, yeah.
	You're going to get some good feedback on that.
	Well, I certainly hope so.
	As I said, I am proud of it, and it'll be out again in the second printing in mid-November, just in time for Christmas.
	All right.
	That's really neat.
	Dan, you get the honor.
	Say goodnight, America.
	From the U District in Seattle, Washington, keep looking up, and goodnight, America.
	That's it.

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