Art Bell dismisses the "Good Times Virus" as a hoax while celebrating U.S. broadcasting’s 75th anniversary and teasing his 6,000-watt FM license applications in Nevada. He critiques rising IRS-related violence, NBC’s proposed "Car Chase Channel," and Typhoon Angela’s devastation in Manila. Bell warns against the FBI’s 1% phone-tapping plan, citing Fourth Amendment concerns, and highlights alarming teen drug use stats while questioning the CIA’s covert tracking of coca fields. Handwriting expert Reginald E. Alton exposes Vince Foster’s suicide note as a deliberate forgery, yet Bell’s calls for investigation face media silence. Callers debate government secrecy, from Hubble’s cosmic imagery to Waco cover-ups, with Bell cautioning fringe theories risk fueling anti-government extremism. The episode blends conspiracy skepticism with philosophical musings on truth and power, ending with Bell’s upcoming book and Peru trip. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening and good morning across all these many time zones.
From the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands, where one can only imagine the setting, to the U.S. Virgin Islands, where the setting is very similar in many ways.
And down to South America, north to the Pole.
This is coast to coast a good morning.
Good to be with you, everybody.
And I say good morning because that would include the majority of the listeners out there.
Um, I mentioned that a lot of media did about a thing called the Good Times Virus.
Computer virus running around randomly, uh, allegedly on American line well.
Some people say it is a hoax.
A lot of people say it's a hoax.
Maybe it is a hoax.
And that would be good, if it is a hoax.
Nevertheless, uh, if I were to get, let me put it this way, if I were to get a message entitled Good Times, it would get deleted faster than the speed of light.
I sure wouldn't open it, so, um, but it may be, well, maybe an urban computer hoax.
Who knows?
Alright, well, I've got a lot of things to mention, but I've got one thing to mention first that's kind of a personal joy.
And I haven't been able to say anything about it until now, and uniquely now I can.
In my time zone, it remains a very interesting day for my business.
Today, November 2nd, marks the 75th anniversary of commercial broadcasting in the United States.
Station KDKA in Pittsburgh is credited with the first broadcast on 2 November 1920 with a broadcast of the Harding Cox election returns, asking the audience if they heard the newscast, then they should respond by writing to the station.
And that was sent to me by my board up, Rick Jacobs, down at KTUC in Tucson.
And I ached last night to be able to tell you what I'm now going to tell you.
Not that it will be meaningful to most of you, but it will give you some idea of how I feel about radio.
As many of you know, my wife is also an ex-broadcaster.
I say ex-only in the sense that she's not presently on.
We've toyed with her doing a show and so forth.
But on the 75th anniversary of commercial broadcasting, I went out, we went out, got some attorneys and broadcast engineers, very competent people.
And my little town of Prump, not technically a town, I guess we're sort of an area of assembly we have not incorporated as of yet, though there's a big fight going on about that.
We filed with the Federal Communications Commission, my wife filed in her name, for a radio station license to broadcast here in the little town of Peron.
And the filing date is now closed, and one has to keep one's mouth shut until the day it closes.
So I thought it was kind of unique that my wife filed her application on the 75th anniversary of the initiation of all commercial broadcasting in this country.
It won't be a big one.
6,000-watt FM radio station here.
And there's not a whole lot of FM here, to be honest with you.
In fact, there is really only one station licensed to the area that serves sort of this area and Las Vegas.
And there was a time when you could not walk into any establishment in this town, in this little town, without hearing that station playing in the background.
And they played Oldies But Goodies.
It is one of my favorite formats.
I love Oldies, Oldies rock and roll.
And at some point, you know, you've got to bear in mind, I'm in a very rural little farming community type area here in the high desert.
And that just went over very well.
They loved it.
And then the station, of course, inevitably a year or two ago, underwent changes and the dawn of Howard Stern.
Well, Howard Stern didn't go over real well here in Perump, Nevada, as you might imagine.
So Perump was left without a station.
So we have rough plans to do the following.
Now, it's a long process.
Everything with the government and the Federal Communications Commission goes very slowly.
But if granted the license, we'll go back to the oldies that Perrump loved.
And then perhaps at 11 o'clock at night through, say, 4 o'clock or 6 o'clock in the morning, we will naturally throw a switch and broadcast this program to the residents of Perump and they can listen to their hometown boy.
So there it is.
And if any of you have any comments on broadcasting in general, as you know, I'm a total radio freak.
I love radio of every kind, shortwave, medium wave, long wave.
I've been in radio since I was old enough to begin taking apart my mama's toaster.
And that's, you know, I kind of started building little things in cardboard boxes.
I started building electronics in cardboard boxes when I was very young.
So there you are.
And I think it was auspicious that this filing took place on this particular very historic date.
And Rick down at KTUC says, and it's too bad I was not able to get, but he actually has a recording of that scratchy first broadcast from KDKA in Pittsburgh.
Now, we can get it, but it'll be a couple days late.
Maybe we'll get it on for the 100th anniversary or something of radio broadcasting.
Anyway, that's something new going on in my life that I wasn't able to tell you about until now.
And it's very exciting for us.
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Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from November 2nd, 1995.
In Miami, I'm sure you've heard another school bus problem.
Another school bus in the news.
A bus full of children with learning disabilities was hijacked early in the morning by some guy who said that he had tax problems with the IRS and a bomb strapped to his leg.
He apparently jumped on the bus at a railroad crossing.
Driver of the bus kept her head, had communication going with police held and mic open.
A negotiation ensued and failed.
A chase ensued that went on for about 15 miles at low speed.
Another low-speed chase.
It culminated with the crack of rifle shots, three of them, which entered the body of the hijacker, causing him to expire.
The hijacker was a 42-year-old man named Catalino Sang, and there was only, fortunately, one child injured, so it's a godsend.
The only question, well, there are a couple of questions I can think of to ask you about this.
One is, again, why are so many people wigging out, flipping out, kind of like somebody just throws a switch and boom, they go nuts.
Grab a gun, grab some kids, grab some hostages, more and more and more and more of that kind of thing going on, and more chases going on.
And NBC ran a pretty interesting piece from some fellow who said, what we really need, and he pointed to the OJ chase and all the other chases that have occurred, the low-speed and high-speed chases, that when carried live by, for example, any large market station, particularly in L.A., they have more chases than anybody else.
And it's a big ratings grabber, and so the television stations send up helicopters, and we all get to see the car chase.
A bird's eye view.
And it gets incredible ratings.
And so this guy was on NBC saying what we need is a car chase channel, a channel devoted to nothing else but car chases, taking feeds from all over the country, wherever the current chase might be going on, and then later at night, or in, you know, you've got to cover 24 hours.
I mean, a car chase channel has to be a 24-hour channel, so that in slack times they could replay great chases, or the greatest chases, or the earlier in the day chases, or whatever.
You know, it would be, I'll bet it would be an instant hit.
Many years ago, before the genesis of the idea appeared anywhere else, I suggested on the air in Las Vegas to the 13 western states that somebody could make a million dollars if only they would start something called the science fiction channel.
And I said, I just gave somebody a million-dollar idea.
It was about three years later, lo and behold, along comes the science fiction channel.
I'm still cringing about that one.
But, you know, you just spill your guts here on the air, so I thought it'd be a cool idea.
All the best science fiction.
Now we've got it.
So anyway, this one went national.
I didn't do it.
The Car Chase Channel.
What do you folks say?
Thumbs up or thumbs down?
Now, before you say thumbs down, what a terrible thing to have on television, answer truthfully.
Would you watch?
That's the only question that really counts.
Would you watch?
Because if you would watch, well, people would sponsor.
I wonder what kind of sponsors you'd use.
What would you get for a car chase channel?
Tire companies, maybe?
Armor-plated, bullet-resistant tires.
Bulletproof glass.
Oh, there, that's a good one.
Bulletproof glass for the rear window.
I don't know.
The car chase channel.
I suppose the makers of that, what do you call that thing put on the steering wheel so that you can't steal it, they'd probably sponsor it.
Car alarm systems?
They'd go for it.
Cars generally.
Involved in a chase.
Really want to get away?
You need some horsepower.
You know, that Kind of thing.
I don't know.
Anyway.
Very serious, quickening news.
The Philippines, here's one to scare you.
Typhoon Angela has had wind gusts to 230 miles per hour.
You see, in the Pacific, these storms have a lot more ocean to go across, and so they build bigger.
And it is looking as though the eye is going to pass right across the Philippines.
Early Thursday, Angela was centered about 270 miles east of Manila, moving west at 12 miles an hour.
And so I'm sure that it has already done it.
15,000 houses so far destroyed or damaged.
And about 135,000 people were evacuated.
So can you imagine wind gusts of 230 miles an hour, sustained winds at 180 miles an hour?
That's absolutely incredible.
Incredible.
Now, again, NBC following up with, this is turning into a big story.
The FBI wants a national system to allow police to listen to one out of every 100 phone lines in high crime areas.
Or they put it another way today, 1% of any big city phone systems, telephone calls at any given time.
I heard the President just a few moments ago on the news at the top of the hour talking something or another.
I can't recall what it was.
I wasn't listening that carefully, but something about American values as it relates to drugs or something or another, because we've got a story on that.
But how does this phone tap thing maybe you should have had a word or two to say about American values when it comes to that?
The FBI, the government, argues that digital communications, computers, and all that make it very much important they have this new authority to tap phones.
Congressional approval is going to be required, so there will be a fight.
The Fed say it is not a new invasion of privacy.
The phone company wants to meet with the FBI and will do so tomorrow to talk about exactly what it is they want to do.
Are you for it or again it?
Is it an American value or the perversion of an American value?
Is it going after the bad guys or is it a Fourth Amendment violation of the good guys?
Does the amount of crime justify doing what they want to do?
I don't know.
You tell me.
It is an important question.
Some will consider it a first step toward eventually big brotherism and listening to not only those who might be contemplating a criminal act, but those who might be contemplating a political act, if you follow me.
So it's kind of tough to keep control of this kind of thing once you get it going, and I'm very leery of it.
They probably do it anyway.
That's my feeling.
They probably do it anyway.
And so there you are.
As a matter of fact, there is a new report out on drugs, and we might talk a little bit about that this morning.
It says teenage drug use in America is not just skyrocketing, it is exploding.
We are losing the drug war.
Cocaine use is up.
This is really incredible.
This is teenagers now we're talking about.
And the sample study involved 200,000 teens.
Cocaine use is up 36% over the last two years.
Marijuana, check this out.
One-third now of all high school seniors say they have smoked pot in the last year.
There are more whites as a percentage than blacks using drugs.
Check that one out, folks.
Think about it.
More whites by percentage than blacks are using drugs.
And I'm sure from the black perspective, it's kind of nice for a change not to be at the head of some negative list.
And so there you are.
And you would have expected exactly the opposite because of, you know, all the talk about inner city blacks and crime and drugs and all the rest of it.
But the real truth is, by percentage per capita, more whites than blacks are using drugs.
Go figure.
But it's true.
What is sad are the number of arotines by percentage.
White teens, as a matter of fact, using drugs, cocaine, pot, all the rest of it.
CIA and FBI joining hands using satellite gear now to try and spot the drug shipments, drug lords, using computers to model their houses so they can raid them and arrest them, looking for coca fields with satellites, down many levels below the CIA building in Langley.
And so the CIA is turning its attention on the drug cartels.
Not a bad idea, I would say.
Some people say it is a bad idea that spies do not make good cops.
But we've got a lot of technology, and it's nice to be able to see that we're using some of it in what I consider to be a productive way.
The alternative, of course, is to simply give up and, as a lot of people want to do, legalize drugs, and then we'd have some kind of America, I'll tell you.
What a mess that would be.
No word today, further word on Boris Yeltsin, who is sickly.
Well, okay, I guess I better break here.
I don't have a lot of time.
I've got a lot more for you, and I'll just feed you a little more, and then we will open the lines.
A couple of really interesting things.
There was a Hubble shot today that was so good that, in my estimation, it paid for Hubble.
And I'll tell you about it in just a moment.
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I just can't hide it.
I'm about to lose control and I think I like it.
I'm so excited.
And I just can't hide it.
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know.
I want you.
You want you.
You want you.
I know.
You are listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coach to Coach A.M. from November 2nd, 1995.
There was earlier today the most incredible, absolutely incredible Hubble shot that paid for Hubble, as far as I'm concerned.
I've never seen anything like it, and I'm down on my hands and knees begging one of you who has a good quality photograph of this new Hubble shot to send it to me in GIF form on email it to me.
I really, really, really want a good quality copy of this photograph.
What am I talking about?
I bet a lot of you saw it.
It was on all of the networks.
But Hubble managed to get this amazing picture of something occurring 7,000 light years from here.
And we have always wondered how stars are formed.
How does a sun get to be a sun?
Where does it come from?
Where does the energy to create this incredible continuing reactive mass, where does it come from?
Well, they got a picture of it happening.
The picture shows, for those of you that have not been lucky enough to see it yet, these gigantic towers of gas and dust and debris and energy.
These incredible towers, 6 trillion miles long.
Now, the numbers begin to phase you a little bit.
6 trillion miles long.
And then out at the end or tips of these giant towers, you were actually able to see the birth of stars.
It looked like a tree trunk.
a gigantic tree trunk with things budding at the end of it.
And the things button...
The things budding at the edge of the branches are stars.
It is a photograph, in my opinion, of the process of creation.
And so if any of you have a good quality shot, if it's out on the internet or somewhere, grab it, please, and send it to me in GIF form.
We'll get it up on the bullet board as well.
It is just absolutely, it was awesome.
I wonder what the rest of you thought.
I just got this facts.
Dear Art, I know you've been watching CBS lately.
You know why I watch CBS?
Because of stupid baseball.
NBC was running baseball and preempting the news, and it was really ticking me off, so I had to watch CBS.
I've gone back to NBC as my prime source.
Anyway, Steve goes on.
This is a Steve.
You have to bear that in mind.
I was wondering if you saw the piece NBC did about the recent Hubble photos of what can best be described as a massive dust cloud.
The object over 7,000 light years away has a large abstract form.
From it, tiny droplets, roughly the same size as our solar system, would form and drift out into free space.
In so many words, scientists equate this to the hatching of stars.
The cloud itself was an amazing image.
I personally don't believe in God, but this entity had a certain God-like feel to it.
I personally don't believe in God.
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But this entity had a certain God-like feel to it.
You're a Steve, too, and I have to agree with you.
It was just absolutely nothing short of awesome.
And I really, really, really want a copy of it.
So hopefully somebody will fire me one.
All right, let me open the phone lines and let us begin what we do here.
Two-way talk radio.
And unscreened, unpredictable, you guys can talk about anything you want.
I don't care.
It's up to you.
We can just have fun.
We can discuss the news.
We can discuss creation as viewed by Hubble.
We can discuss anything at all.
The night is yours.
First-time callers to the program from wherever you are.
It's a little easier to get through on this line at Area Code 702-727-1222.
702-727-1222.
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1-800-825-5033.
Now, unfortunately, after ringing for a while, the phone company cuts you off and says, your pioneer did not answer, at which point I suggest you curse the phone company, all of their relatives, forever, and then pick up the phone and redial it.
And persistence will eventually pay off, and you will get through, as evidenced by this.
Anyway, as you well know, KSD has a gigantic signal, and this will open it up to...
all of St. Louis and well beyond by the way do you know if we're going to get the full three hours back of Roger Friedenberg or not yes you are oh we are great you are and you'll get my full show and so yeah it's because before in KSD they cut you off at I think 5 or 5 30 in the morning well not maybe I mean all stations eventually go to a morning show so but we're we're we're glad to hear that because we do miss you well I'm glad to be able to give you that news okay
not altogether I should I'm not altogether certain I should have but since you brought it up well you know since we didn't get you tonight we were kind of curious yeah well changes the world is full of changes right enjoy your show thank you my friend take care hopefully in the interim why there are so many stations out there that that are listenable in St. Louis that the world word will no doubt quickly get around that'll be about two weeks I'm going to guess Wildcard line you're
And then, for some reason, after the chase, they ended up at this restaurant where he used to work.
Look, here's my view of things.
If you say you're going to blow up a school bus of disadvantaged children, you can pretty well expect, if they get a clear shot, you're dead meat.
Yes.
So, I can't say they did the wrong thing, and I won't.
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Well, yes, I agree with you there.
I was just wondering.
I had heard nothing about any real circumstances, and I just wondered if that might have been a little overreacting, or if they could have, what state of mind they had the man in when they actually shot him, since they were communicating.
do you want to take the time to try and rush him giving him time to set it off or do you want to put a bullet through the part of his head that's going to put him down immediately well definitely you would want to put him down immediately but if that you're in the process of negotiation that's what i was concerned with if anyone knew what well one line used was negotiation failed so presumably uh he was not negotiating in good faith or any faith at all and was saying,
Either the following happens, I'm, you know, either my tax problems are straightened out, or I, you know, I don't know what was said.
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So, yes, okay, well, listen, I love your show.
I have a very short story if you'd like for me to give it for you that I tried calling you Halloween night.
It's utterly different, and I never know where it's going to go, and that's all the fun of it.
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Oh, I know.
It's like sort of it's a conscious dream of consciousness, if I can coin a term.
But I, too, have a radio background, not on the air per se, but I've worked in radio in various capacities.
And I wanted to say that I was aware of this 75th anniversary thing.
And you obviously have such a great love of the media.
This is why you're so effective in it.
So you said it may not be consequential to many listeners, but I do share the joy that you and your wife have in starting that new venture at such a historic time.
You know, something I've never done, and I'm ready to sink my teeth into it.
It's going to be a lot of fun, and my wife is just overjoyed.
And to find out that we, you know, the closing filing date, you see, the way the commission works, you don't walk an application in until the very last minute.
It's a strategic kind of thing.
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Well, do you really believe that that's a coincidence?
I kind of, whether you call it synchronicity or what, I think probably that does have some significance beyond what any of us know.
Now, as far as the creation situation, you know, you've often asked that, and I think the fellow that answered that to take our free will of choice would be actually the only way that everyone could know that that was a supreme being.
And he said he'd never do that.
But my husband says there's only one new thing on this earth, and that's a baby, because it's a fresh from the fresh old.
We had Agent X, who was an alleged, and I believe him to have been definitely the real McCoy, an ATF agent who debated on the air quite heatedly, I guess, with Linda Thompson.
Oh, that was a wild one.
That went on for, I'm trying to recall, two or three hours.
And then my comment, last night my girlfriend and I were listening to your show, and she got really irate, you know, about President Clinton's wants to send out the troops to the Bosnia region.
And you were asking what would be his logic behind it.
In any area other than compassion, which is not justification for the taking of American life, I'm all for compassion, but I'm not going to throw a lot of people into a meat grinder because I'm sorry they're having a war.
So I was watching Talk Back Live on CNN yesterday, and they were trying to fetus his crap.
Compassion, my tail end.
The compassion we ought to be feeling is for our own people.
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Correct.
She made the comment of, why did he have to do this, especially at Christmas time?
Don't you know that they're tearing families apart?
And a little light bulb just lit up above my head, and it dawned on me that President Clinton, you know, I believe he is a communist, and they really, the communist manifesto doesn't really protect families.
It is a great morning, a clear night with about three quarters of a moon above us here in the high desert.
Stars are bright.
That Hubble picture.
Anybody out there with their hands on that Hubble picture, Ivan Vitz.
I really, really want that photograph.
I want a good, clear shot of the photograph that was shown on all the networks yesterday of the birth of stars.
Absolutely incredible.
Listen, some lady last hour described my program as eclectic.
And I'm very proud of that.
Thank you.
So, eclectic Lee, we will, in about an hour, call, well, I guess the Dr. Lee.
You remember Dr. Lee, don't you, from the O.J. Simpson trial.
This is the Dr. Lee of handwriting expertise in the world.
His name is R.E. Alton, and he is in Britain, probably London.
So I'm going to pick up the phone and do it again.
We'll do a short interview with Dr. Alton.
He is the chief forensic guy, handwriting forensic guy, who declared the note that Chris Ruddy talked about, who we interviewed on the program, the supposed alleged suicide note of Vince Foster to be an absolute out-and-out forgery.
And we're going to see if Chris Ruddy's claims about Mr. Alton are so, and I suspect they are.
So I'll pick up the phone call London next hour.
I think, eclectically.
All right, a few faxes have come in, dear art.
I am not devoutly religious, but I do feel sorry for Steve.
Actually, all Steve's.
For it must be a private hell just to be so profoundly unintelligent.
We did finally receive your book, both copies, yesterday.
So far it appears to be a very good read.
We're listening on Talk Radio 810KCMO.
The station's so big.
Its call letters are on cop cars all over town.
Thanks for a great show.
A Hound Dog and Nightshade.
Hound Dog and Nightshade.
And again on the Hubble picture, what really blew my mind, other than the beauty and awesomeness of the photograph, was the fact that we were privileged to see in our lifetime something that happened 7,000 years ago in real time.
It was magnificent.
I hope this is issued for purchase because they are truly worthy of framing as fine art.
Well, we shouldn't have to, you know, we paid for the Hubble.
Remember that?
We lowly little taxpayers, that was our money.
Put the Hubble up there.
We shouldn't have to pay.
On a much sadder note, see, we go from awe-inspiring to the very bottom.
On a much sadder note, did you hear the news about the young mother in, I believe, Michigan?
No, I haven't.
Who drowned her few weeks-old baby in a pond near her house, threw her baby in a pond to stop it from crying?
Where will this ever stop, Art?
Charlotte, listening to KEX.
Charlotte, I don't know.
It's not going to stop, Charlotte, until something changes, and that's what I view, that we're rushing toward is some great change.
And not to be outdone, Mark, the avowed atheist in Louisiana, who faxes but never calls, says the following, Art.
Regarding your opinion that through the ages, some religious stories may have been exaggerated.
You know that if you ask a number of people which fruit Adam, when tempted by Eve, ate, most would say an apple.
I would have said that.
Wrong oh.
Genesis only mentions that Adam ate from the fruit of a tree.
The whole apple part was added later by some nondescript person, probably a teacher.
The Bible would make a good movie on the science fiction channel.
Mark.
Oh, Mark.
Oh, Mark.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art Bill.
Yes, that is true.
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I can't believe I got through.
It's the first time I started calling, and I think you have a great show.
One night we were discussing a very serious topic, and that is that having lost the Soviet Union as an enemy, we are turning inward on ourselves, throwing babies into ponds, whatever the latest story is, that kind of thing, right?
So we need something, we need a focus of hate.
And so one night a guy named Gene, listening to KABC in Los Angeles, sent me a fax and said, look, we do need somebody to hate.
I suggest my neighbor Steve.
Steve is a worthless slob of a human being.
Steve is not worthy of even the term human.
He's that bad.
So he should be hated.
And then people started calling in and saying, it's true of all Steve's.
Steve's generally should be hated.
And I thought, why not?
Steve's probably are a bunch of no-goods.
So we've got a hate Steve movement going.
And Steves probably have a plot to try and take over the world.
And so we need to fight them.
On, you know, just about every place we turn.
Every time we get an opportunity, Steves need to be fought.
And we've got a radio station that is in between Las Vegas and Perrump, my little town.
And while Stern goes over, no doubt, very well in Las Vegas, which is very cosmopolitan, here in this little farming town, Stern goes over like a lead balloon.
Well, you say that now, but then in mid-summer, I tell people, well, just hit 117 today, and they think harder about it.
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Right, right.
Hey, I was wondering if I could get political on you for just a second.
Sure.
Hey, I was wondering, well, I'm a recent college graduate, and when I was in school, I found it very difficult to find time to stay caught up on political issues.
Right.
But now that I've had some time out, I've been listening to late-night talk shows, reading editorials, things like this.
I found myself looking at a gentleman for the presidential campaign, Alan Keyes.
I was wondering if you've heard of him or – You did interview him?
Sure.
I must have missed that.
What's your feeling on?
Well, I tell you why I asked.
About a month ago, I was listening to your show, and a gentleman called in and said that he felt the greatest problem this nation faces is a moral dilemma.
Alan Keyes is a wonderful candidate, but he will not win.
Pat Buchanan is a wonderful candidate, but he will not win.
The race is going to be Bill Clinton, Bob Dole, and probably Colin Powell as an independent, or it's going to be Powell Clinton.
That's what's really going to happen.
So we can talk about these other candidates, but I'm very pragmatic, and I know there's a core of really strong, strong support for people like Buchanan and Keyes, but it's very small, sir.
So I'm sorry.
I believe that what I just said to you is accurate.
It's going to be Dole.
It's going to be obviously the President and maybe Colin Powell.
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Well, you're probably right.
And I know.
I just think that the issues that they talk about and that he's bringing forward are not overlookable if we're going to try and solve some of the problems.
Pat Buchanan, Alan Keyes, and others will push some issues into the campaign as it takes shape that need to be talked about.
And so that's, I guess, how I view their function.
And they will do it very admirably.
Great.
In other words, they will shape to some degree the debate and make the other candidates talk about things they otherwise wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole.
And then somebody hears, Art, I sent you the Hubble photo via AOL.
Well, I hope it arrives in a GIF condition or a JPG condition because sometimes when people send me things, they come in hex code, and I don't know how to convert them.
It's a mess.
Anyway, it's signed Steve, and then it says, there's a little arrow pointing up at Steve.
It says, yes, we're taking over.
And then that followed by this.
Art, this is truly, truly blasphemous without question.
It says, Art, God has a name, and his name is Steve.
Steve.
Art, I think it's funny.
Read odd.
You and millions of others choose to repeat the same mistake Adam made in the Garden of Eden.
He could have eaten of the tree of eternal life in the garden, but he chose to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil instead.
You do the same thing.
Both trees are still here, but only a lightweight thinker would ignore immortality when the other choice of pursuit, he knows the results in death.
Ooh, GN, pretty rough up in Gig Harbor.
Well, the way I heard it, you know, Eve tempted him with the, I was going to say apple, the fruit, right?
And he gobbled it up, went for it like a guy in ancient times.
In modern times, he probably would have slit her throat, taken the fruit, eaten it, and then got off.
What's the expiration date on all the chicken little theorists?
I mean, are we going to be doomed to listen to them forever, or are they going to finally admit in a couple hundred years, for instance, that they're all wet?
Well, I appreciate your theories, but I think it is generally accepted, is it not, that the dinosaurs contributed greatly to a substance we know as raw petroleum?
I think that is true.
At least that's what I always thought.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Now, at first he said there's nothing going to hit the Earth.
And then he said, well, the oil came from a grazing, he called it, of the Earth by an asteroid.
You can't have it both ways, or I guess maybe you can.
You're trying to make the point that carrying a concealed weapon will reduce crime.
And it's my view as well that a lot of people walking around with concealed weapons are going to make anybody committing a crime more nervous than they would be otherwise about doing so.
I mean, it just makes common sense.
In addition, we have now a concealed law passed here and about as well.
And it is sweeping across the country.
So as more and more people carry guns, legitimate, honest citizens, it is my view there will be less crime, not more.
Yeah, listen, one of the things that was real interesting was that I happened to pick up your show just last Friday night, and it was unbelievable when I heard your conversation with Richard C. Hoagland, and then following through then on with last night's show with Stan Dale down in Australia.
I'm somewhat transplanted from California, and I've been up here about 15 years now.
When Stan Dale said, one gal called from Anchorage last night and said, well, there was nothing there about Anchorage or Alaska in effect for the earthquakes, I said, geez, I crossed my fingers and said, that's great because we just had a big shaker here about two nights ago.
Actually, you've had quite a series of them, and you are part of the ring of fire, even though it's kind of icy.
unidentified
Yeah, no doubt.
Anyways, the one thing that I think probably was most intriguing and a question that was, I mean, first of all, I was just totally mesmerized with Richard C. Hoagland's account of the tetrahydro dehedral physics.
Following through with what was happening in Dayton, Ohio at Wright-Pat.
You know, and I kept kind of like thinking, well, you know, you're right.
Nobody has said anything on the news.
They're being real secretive about the gentleman and coming, as you had mentioned, that they might go down for that long elevator ride to see what is actually happening.
By the way, there was not one word of news on NBC anyway last night about the talks at Wright Pat.
The curtain of Silence and secrecy has now descended.
You know, we got to see them shaking hands grudgingly, and I think that's the last thing we're going to see.
unidentified
Well, you know, and I agree with you 100%.
And I guess I have to agree with you on a lot of things that you were discussing.
In particular, the veil of secrecy that our government is not informing us or that they don't want us to know what's going on.
And then in particular, with what Stan Dale had said regarding the, I may have gotten this just a little bit off, but he was talking about the anti-grav or it was the thing that technology was there.
Anyways, I just find it all just totally, totally 100% fascinating.
And I think that the argument is there for me to convince my wife that it's finally in time to get a computer so that we can get involved and get on the Internet and start.
I was going to ask you how I could encourage local stations or in the stations in the area to carry a program because we sure need a breath of fresh air.
Now, he didn't go into detail, and he was supposed to call me up at 9 o'clock tonight and didn't.
But Madman's telephone is disconnected because I warned him, I told him if he gave out his phone number on a national show like this, and people were calling him up from Hawaii in the middle of the night, and he wasn't getting any sleep, and he was turning into more of a madman.
And so he had to disconnect his phone.
But Madman will come back on and do an encore performance and tell us how his experiments have gone.
And as you may or may not recall, depending on how long you've been listening to the program, we did a very significant interview with Chris Ruddy, the Pittsburgh Tribune reporter who has doggedly been pursuing the Vince Foster case.
The lead forensic expert who examined the so-called suicide note or depression note, whatever you want to call it, of Vince Foster, which magically appeared, is Reginald E. Alton.
And Reginald E. Alton is the Dr. Lee of Handwriting.
He is a world-recognized expert on handwriting examination and manuscript authentication.
He has 30 years experience in the field of forensic document examination, has lectured during this period at Oxford University on handwriting and manuscripts, including the detection of forgery, underlying that forgery, and the identification of handwriting to doctoral and research students in the University of Oxford.
In recent years, he ruled on charges that some manuscripts of the late C.S. Lewis were a forgery.
He validated their authenticity.
He's ruled on numerous questioned documents and antique manuscripts, some of great monetary value, including such noteworthy historical figures as Don Shelley, Christina Rossetti, to modern-day authors like Oscar Wilde.
He's been consulted by civil bodies and by British police authorities, has testified as an expert witness in British courts on criminal matters relating to questioned documents, anonymous letters, and other forgeries.
Mr. Alton MCMA is an emeritus fellow of St. Edmund Hall University of Oxford, is currently Dean of Degrees at St. Edmund Hall, Oxford's oldest institution for undergraduates.
He was a fellow, tutor, and vice principal of St. Edmund Hall, has served as chairman of the English faculty as well as lecturer at Pembroke, ASUS, and Exeter Colleges in the University of Oxford.
So, in other words, a heavyweight.
And I don't know exactly where he is, but I know he's somewhere in jolly old England.
I take it you examined carefully, and I don't know a lot about handwriting analysis, so I'm going to ask you to just give me a little basic education by asking you the following question.
unidentified
How exact a science is it one does a great deal of measuring, firstly.
Secondly, it's an exact enough science not to want to do it from photocopies.
In this case, the forgery seemed to me to be so clearly a forgery that it was possible to pronounce it so even from photocopies of this curious document and from photocopies of authentic documents written by poor Mr. Foster.
Here in America, we were treated to the spectacle of the O.J. Simpson trial, and they had DNA experts who gave us mind-boggling numbers.
Do you do that same sort of mathematical work when you try and determine whether something is a forgery?
unidentified
Some measurement, yes.
Some measurement.
I wouldn't say mind-boggling DNA statistics.
In this particular case, and in most cases, it's possible to see with the naked eye, let alone through magnifying apparatus, that the hand that produced the question document is not the hand that writes normally as paper, Mr. Foster.
Yes, well, of course, radio is the theater of the mind.
But if you can give it to us in layman's terms, what jumped out at you?
You said it was very obviously a forgery.
So something or some things obviously jumped out at you and said it's a forgery.
unidentified
The things that jumped out at me, the things that seemed to clinch the matter for me, were the fact that the forger had not understood the way Foster made the letters.
He was able somewhat laboriously to reproduce the shapes that Foster made on the paper, but not, for instance, the characteristic number of strokes or the characteristic movement of the hand.
Foster will use one stroke for minuscule B, lowercase B. The forger uses three, and you can see that even from the photocopy from where the letters are thickened on the page.
Again, Foster's characteristic movement of the hand, and if any of your listeners are awake enough to do it, is to make a counterclockwise movement so that when he writes IN, for instance, he writes a series of what are called swags, that is saucer-shaped marks.
He does it very elegantly, easy movement, rhythmic, really quite artistic to look at, aesthetic it is.
The forger's movement of the hand is quite contrary.
He makes N with an arch more often than Foster does.
And one has to count the number of letters and also makes copies of the documents and cuts them up into small pieces and puts them together so that you have you're not being taken in by meaning on the page.
I also understand it was ripped, I guess, into 28 pieces.
unidentified
Oh, that's an immediate signal that one ought to look with some suspicion at it.
Any document which turns up unexpectedly, any manuscript, a literary manuscript, a valuable literary manuscript, anything which turns up unexpectedly and has been distressed, as the antique trade calls it, defaced, is immediately, should be immediately subject to suspicion.
Now, I would like to ask you this, which is an odd thing for Foster to do if he tore up this manuscript before it suddenly appeared a week late.
I believe a briefcase was searched after three days, which alone is a bit late to search something after a violent death, a suicide, an alleged suicide.
Then it was searched again about several days later.
Was it possible or is it possible for you as a handwriting expert to determine whether this was done slowly and deliberately or whether it was a rather fast attempt at a forgery?
Is it possible to determine?
unidentified
It was done slowly and deliberately.
In my opinion, it is just like somebody copying a picture.
The forger copies what he sees, he makes quite deliberate strokes, and then he deliberately adds little bits where he's not got it quite right first time.
It doesn't look written to me, which Foster's writing, which is open and easy and moves freely, does.
I don't think, by the way, that these differences are because the writer was under stress.
They're not.
I've seen many documents, many pieces of handwriting written under stress.
I've seen a lot of handwriting by undergraduates who are under stress of various kinds.
Work stress or emotional stress or sexual stress or something.
Well, finally, I guess I would ask you this, or perhaps semi-finally.
You examined this document with two other handwriting experts, and it is my understanding they also came to the same conclusion you did.
Is that correct?
unidentified
They came to the same conclusion as I did.
I did not know either of them.
I had not met either of them before.
I had not met any of the people who asked me to look at the documents before I was met at the airport in Washington the day before the press conference.
That is such a startling conclusion with such very important implications, Doctor, that I'm wondering, have you been contacted by any congressional or Senate staff or investigative committees in this country?
It means there was, at the very least, obstruction of justice.
At worst case, a murder.
Now, for no investigative body, Congressional or Senate, to have contacted the world's leading expert in handwriting analysis is in itself a bit of a puzzle.
Now, why oh, why would not 60 Minutes, which went after Chris Ruddy, you'll recall, be interested in pursuing this?
Why didn't we see this story last Sunday?
Why isn't it going to be on next Sunday?
In other words, where is the media?
unidentified
The End You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from November 2nd, 1995.
And again, I'm forced to wonder out loud, with the kind of evidence that you just heard, not from Chris Ruddy, but from the world's foremost handwriting expert at Oxford, declaring this so-called suicide note a forgery.
Where is the investigation going?
Why isn't it absolutely at, you know, what are gate-sized headlines?
We're either talking about obstruction of justice, should it lead to the White House in an impeachable offense, or, worst case, murder.
Certainly, a forged suicide note has got to lead one in one of those directions, not necessarily to the president.
I'm not saying that.
Does it touch the White House?
What do you think?
You tell me.
Does it deserve to be investigated?
What do you think?
You tell me.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hello.
Art.
Yes.
This is Mark.
This is one of the stranger logistical calls you'll get.
They are seeking permission congressionally to be able to tap in major cities across the nation about 1% of the phone lines, or about 1 in 100 phone conversations.
unidentified
Are you sure this isn't the KGB?
We're moving so close to such a socialist society, it's pathetic.
Now, the way they do this is with new high-speed computers.
They don't actually have guys sitting there listening to conversations.
What they do is they use computers and they look for keywords.
The computer is searching for keywords in conversations, like kilo, or gun, or bomb, or explosion.
And so from now on, if they pass this, everybody in America, during any normal conversation, right in the middle somewhere, just say, kilo, kilo, kilo.
And they'll end up listening to so many conversations that they'll just give up on the whole plan.
unidentified
Oh, man.
I heard on San Antonio Station, too, this is changing the subject, but there was another girl.
She was 13.
She was convicted today of suffocating two babies that she was babysitting.
Yet another fact from Anne in Gig Harbor, Michigan.
Oh, no, Gig Harbor.
I'm sorry, Gig Harbor, Washington, Como Country, KVI.
KVI, Como.
Duopolis.
Art, quit picking on women.
She spells it W-I-M-M-I-N.
Quit picking on women.
God said it was Adam's fault, not Eve's.
He said, quote, she was deceived, but Adam was not, end quote, meaning she picked what she was tricked into thinking was good, but it was Adam who chose what he knew was evil.
And she adds, also, if I get some laprina and I spray it on my rear, will my boss disappear?
Tracy, no, Tracy.
But it will be a good symbolic thing for you to do, and it will be cathartic for you, so spray away.
And then one other item, Art, do not open that GIF file you'll be receiving from Steve.
A source of mine in government intelligence, I can't say which government, has warned me that the Steve Consortium has developed a computer virus which they are spreading throughout the world via the net.
According to this source, if you view the GIF file on your computer, your hard drive will be permanently infected with the virus stupid, which stands for Steve's to undermine people internet daily.
This virus is even worse than the Good Times virus, because instead of destroying your system, it actually causes your system sound card to just repeat phrases like, Steve's will soon control the world, followed by that disgusting laugh that all Steve's seem to have.
Another side effect of the stupid virus is that instead of seeing the GIF image you were expecting to get, your system will instead put your monitor into a continual loop of screensavers made up of mugshots of all Steves.
As I have said, this artist will not destroy your system.
But after looking at all those Steve's, you might want to destroy it yourself.
Tim listening to KSFO and Foster City.
Also, somehow somebody managed to fax me a very legible, albeit low-definition, picture of these gaseous pillars, M16.
My God.
And that's the right word, God.
How anybody could look at this and not detect the presence of a creator of creation and progress?
This is the most amazing photograph I have ever seen.
The single most amazing photograph I've ever seen.
Also, I have to give a little plug here for absolutely fresh flowers because I've ordered those several times for people, and they have been impressed every time.
I'm very glad, and I'm very grateful to KVEG, not only for that, but for getting our entire program on, you know?
unidentified
Me too, and I'll be sure to let them know.
About Hubble, you know, if they can pick up things from 7,000 light years away, I wonder what they can pick up in our solar system that they're not telling us about.
I mean, you would think, I mean, you're really right about that.
They might pick up little guys walking around on the surface of Mars, you know, popping out of the red stuff every now and then, calling around for a while, diving back in.
I got to run.
Thanks for the take care.
K-V-E-G.
Las Vegas.
unidentified
Las Vegas.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from November 2nd, 1995.
It's getting to be a problem, though, because now with 230 affiliates online, there are a lot of requested interviews, and it's getting harder.
You know, it really is.
I mean, we do five hours here all night long, five hours.
And then when you add a sixth or a seventh hour, it does begin to get a little long.
But still, I try when I can to do these because it's kind of fun to go to the individual markets, you know, and talk to the people that otherwise don't get an opportunity to get through.
Well, look, I would take the Internet about as seriously as my show.
In other words, Jeremiah the Bullfrog or anybody else who comes on here and says something on the radio, you're just saying something on the radio, right?
And it's the same deal on the Internet.
If you write a message in a newsgroup or something or whatever, wherever on the Internet, it's just somebody saying something.
And you can't attach any more value to it than you would a phone call you hear on my show here.
unidentified
Well, my favorite flame on me was Forest Gump on Acid.
It's the Internet expression for going after somebody.
Lots of people go after me.
I learned long ago not to let it bother me, and it actually moved from that to it invigorates me.
I actually enjoy it.
I suppose I ought not tell those who do it that I do, but I do really enjoy it.
It's kind of like getting faxes from people who go after me.
I like reading them.
It's funny.
I learned not to be offended long ago, and actually, any talk show host who does not monitor their mail and their email, if they have it, and everything else, for a certain amount of hate, if you're not getting that, you better be worried because it probably means you're not doing very much of anything at all.
If you'll get on an airplane and fly from Mexico City to Guatemala City, they'll go right by those two granddaddy volcanic peaks, and they're really worth looking at.
You know, that's a very dangerous profession up in Oregon.
unidentified
That's exactly where I've been doing this, my wife and I, for the last six years since 89.
However, Is it dangerous there?
We have finally gotten out of it as of this fall because we were chased by certain ethnic people that are trying to take over that particular business, and they tried to shoot us.
And it's just, it doesn't need to be, but the federal government, the United States Forest Service, protects these minorities that are taking over this business or actually have taken over it.
Didn't you have a man on the air a few months back after the Oklahoma City bombing who uh was just so asserted and had all the overwhelming evidence that uh the number two man for the bombing was there in uh Oklahoma City.
If you were a special investigator or special counsel or somebody who would decide based on evidence placed in front of you whether to investigate something or not, and you heard what I put on the air this morning, what would your decision be?
unidentified
There's nothing wrong with him being listened to, but you could probably find a half a dozen other experts who would disagree with him.
It's not an exact science.
I think we could all agree with that.
He might be good at it, but there's a lot of guys good at it, and they probably can find a bunch of them that disagree.
Yeah, but, sir, even allowing for that, and I'll allow for that, let's say it's not an exact science, although he to some degree certainly did argue with that, I think, effectively.
But let's say it's not exact.
It's still strong enough that somebody should be pursuing the whole matter further.
And if they don't, something is obviously wrong.
unidentified
That may be the case, but I still think you're overstating things when you say that America as we know it is no more.
They may be looking into it.
They just may not be making a bunch of noise about it right now.
With all the things that you talk about on your show, how do you balance it without getting too anxious about the possibilities of the things that could happen?
I know, you know, you encourage people not to get paranoid.
And they called in the FBI to validate what they claim was wrong with a bunch of people.
We get down to this forgery thing, and this note was given to the FBI for inspection for forgery, and they only looked at one other document that he had written on.
He's done a lot of things I certainly disagree with.
But if you think that I put on this expert in handwriting, the world's foremost expert at Oxford, to go after Clinton for political reasons, you're all wet.
Absolutely, flat out, all wet.
I did it Just in case anybody out there cares to pursue the truth if it's important anymore in this country.
With regard to Ruby Ridge and Waco, God knows we've got just the ending of another Waco hearing.
Yeah, when you looked at it, and when you sit there and look at it, what kind of feeling comes over you?
unidentified
A sheer awesome empower.
That's the best way to describe it.
And to be honest, I'm not a real religious person, but when I did see that, it just kind of like looks like almost the hand of God or something like that.
That's what I thought.
I saw the three fingers almost like the hand of God.
This is a star or something.
It is a pretty amazing sight.
And I can't even believe how big this is.
I mean, they said on the news that this thing, the Earth is one little dot on this page.
The photograph, obviously, is going to rapidly circulate, and by morning, I will have some good copies, and we'll take the best of what I find and put it on the bulletin board for you.
It is like the hand of God, though.
How can you watch the creation of stars?
The actual creation.
Albeit 7,000 years ago, you're actually watching a star being born.
And if you didn't see the photograph, there are not words that will do justice to what Hubble picked up.
I think we just paid for Hubble.
This photograph will, for the rest of our lives, I'm sure, be shown.
It was and is remarkable.
And how somebody can look at that and not imagine the hand of a creator is beyond me.
I've got facts here that I'm going to read, and I'll deal with it in a second concerning Vince Foster and the hearings yesterday, and I was aware of it.
I will read the facts and deal with it.
I didn't bring it up for a good reason, but I will read the facts.
Here we go.
Art, the following occurred yesterday in the Senate Whitewater hearings.
During a series of intense questions regarding phone records, Maggie Williams, Mrs. Clinton's chief of staff, answered, quote, the night Vince was killed, end quote, and then quickly corrected herself to the night Vince committed suicide.
This was about a half hour into the hearing.
I've got it on tape if you'd like to hear it.
I did hear it.
Thank you.
Please verify an error if you feel it is relevant.
Either way, it sure was an interesting slip of the tongue.
I was going to phone, but I felt you'd rather have the choice of airing this or not.
Thanks again for all the great information, Bonnie of Foster City.
Well, Bonnie, yes, I was aware of it.
It's just that I think that if we want the investigation to move forward, we're not going to do it on the backs or the back of a slip of the tongue.
We're going to do it with the kind of thing that I gave you and everybody else this morning.
That is what's going to push a deeper investigation.
So I was aware of it.
It is interesting, but it would be regarded as generally irrelevant by anybody who would be considering a further investigation or probe into the whole Vince Foster matter.
Now, what I gave you this morning is not irrelevant and would be considered by anybody judging whether to further investigate as undeniably important information demanding a pursuit.
So I chose not to air that, even though I was aware of it, I saw it.
Interesting, but maybe I watched too much of Judge Ito, you know.
When you're considering what it will take to force a further look, a slip-o-de-lip will not do it.
But a world-renowned handwriting expert and two others will.
Well, there's Charlie, and then there's Doc Democrat, and then there's a bunch of others.
unidentified
It's the Charles guy.
The other evening, right before the radio, went on a blink again when you were talking to somebody that was having that dispute or whatever conversation.
I'm inclined to go along with what he said and what you said as well, that if asked, would he go to Boston?
It would take an unusual person, which President Clinton is, to be able to order 20, 25,000 Americans to go stand in Bosnia in the middle of the landmines and all the danger when he was not himself willing to fight in a war which,
though very controversial, arguably, had more national security reasons to be fought than what we're going to have to do in Bosnia.
It would truly take a person with malleable principles.
How's that?
Malleable principles to be able to give such an order.
that's an answer, but it's not one that I'm looking for.
I'm not saying the crop circles do not have some meaning that we have not yet managed to grasp.
They are interesting.
They're intriguing.
They're not, I've seen no ready answers.
explanation for them, but I've also seen no interpretation or scientific analysis of what they do mean by anybody.
So if they wanted the message to be clear, it should be written in English.
And believe me, if that began appearing in fields around the country, get it together or the petri dish is about to be cleaned out, something along those lines, then we'd have something to go on.
Yeah, well, I was glad because he had so many listeners, and I thought, gee, he's finally catching up to art here.
So the other good thing today is that I finally did hear on a regular news channel a rather sarcastic statement from Senator D'Amato about these hearings and how it seemed rather odd that nobody in Hillary Clinton's office was able to recall any of these telephone conversations.
Well, Senator DiMato's sarcastic about a lot of things, but in other words, you really deserve some congratulations for being on this thing, as you've been.
In fact, I'm one of the guys who called in and talked to Chris Ruddy that one time.
I was just calling because it's interesting you're talking about having a hard time convincing people to look into stuff.
I just talked to Dan Miller's office yesterday.
He's our congressman over here in this area, and a few of us got together and have been looking into a lot of stuff, including Waco and the Oklahoma City bombing and a lot of other stuff that involves Clinton.
But we can't seem to get anybody interested in the stuff that we have.
You know, do you know that she did that on this program?
And I actually went live for an extra hour.
I couldn't believe she was saying it.
I wanted to give her a chance to take it back or squirm out of it or whatever.
And she just dug a deeper hole.
And that show ended.
And I never had her back, and I never will.
unidentified
Right.
Well, I don't disagree with you there.
My point is simply that the second video that she made is just chock full of not only video pictures, but also documentation of different things that clearly show that.
Look, sir, we all know there's a hell of a lot that was wrong with what occurred at Waco and Ruby Ridge.
But these things are being investigated still.
We just got done with more Waco hearings.
Ruby Ridge yet will produce, I feel, indictments.
But the Vince Foster case, sir, that one is all but signed, sealed, and delivered as being a Suicide.
unidentified
Well, did you read the article that came out last week about the juror, the grand juror that was thrown out of the grand jury because he wanted to talk out about the larger conspiracy on the bombing?
He was one of the grand jurors, and he was thrown off because he said that there's a lot of evidence that's being covered up by the government of a grand conspiracy of many more people than the two that they've arrested.
Yeah, but it is not for an individual grand juror to get up proclaiming conspiracies and blah, blah, blah.
It is for the grand juror to sit there and receive evidence and decide whether indictments are justified based on that evidence.
unidentified
They refuse to show the evidence.
He says there's considerable evidence that there were more than two people involved and that should have been presented in the families of the surgeon.
The trouble with that is, and I think that's what happened to Linda.
You can become involved in this so-called, I'll put it in quotes, patriot movement, and there is so much disinformation, misinformation, downright paranoia, that if you've got, as you just said, too much time on your hands, you can begin to get to be affected by it.
And I'm telling you, because I received daily doses of it by facts, to the degree that I had to threaten to sue some people to stop them from sending me faxes.
And I would have, too.
I was all prepared.
I don't want to see that tripe.
There are proper venues for investigation.
And a lot of what's going on out there, and again, the so-called quote patriot community is downright dangerous paranoia.
And it's going to lead to more anti-government bombings.
It's going to lead to, eventually, unchecked, a clash between the militias and the government.
And maybe more.
It's dangerous.
We still have a system that allows proper investigation of apparent wrongdoing or alleged wrongdoing.
And we better stay within those guidelines.
And when we leave them, we do so at the peril of all we have built.