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Sept. 24, 1995 - Art Bell

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Dreamland with Art Bell - Linda Moulton Howe - Canadian UFOs - Nanodreams - Elton Elliot

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome Teamland, a program dedicated to an examination of areas in the human experience not easily nor neatly put in a box.
		Things seen at the edge of vision, awakening a part of the mind as yet not mapped, and yet things every bit as real as the air we breathe but don't see.
		This is Dreamland.
		It is, and I'm Art Bell.
		Hi, everybody.
		It is Sunday once again, and here we are as scheduled.
		I would like to acknowledge an award given in Phoenix for the best radio talk show.
		This is it, Dreamland.
		It's a great honor, thank you.
		It's in the paper down there, was in the paper, and it's a great honor.
		And I'm sure KFYI is honored to be carrying it.
		Have it so awarded.
		Thank you.
		As a matter of fact, adding to the Dreamland affiliates this week, WSPCAM in Albermarle, North Carolina.
		Hello there in North Carolina.
		WFNTAM in Flint, Michigan.
		Now there's a good place to be, Flint, Michigan.
		Glad to have you on board.
		Make that a K-Y-L-R-A-M in Huntsville, Texas.
		Welcome to the network.
		And K-S-Y-G in Little Rock, Arkansas.
		Good to have you on board.
		Rounding out the number of affiliates now carrying Dreamland to a nice, tasty, even 150.
		You can tell the rate at which it is growing, along with the other syndicated show now, at 217 affiliates.
		It's going going nuts out there, folks.
		As usual, Linda Elton-Howell, considered to be the world's expert on crop circles and animal mutilations, will be back into her field, I understand, with a report this evening.
		And then, off into the world of nano-dreams.
		The story of nanotechnology with Elton Elliott.
		Elton has done a very great deal of work, has written a number of books, and I think you're going to find it absolutely fascinating.
		I know I do.
		So, nanotechnology in your immediate future.
		But first, of course, Linda Howe.
		Let me begin, though, by taking care of this.
		It is a pleasure, and it's kind of right down the alley of Dreamland in a lot of ways.
		Because it sounds high-tech.
		It sounds unbelievable, but it is true.
		GMX Magnetic Water Conditioning works.
		I'm telling you it works.
		I use it here.
		Welcome to the program, Linda.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Well, hi, Art, and welcome to more new stations.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad to hear Dreamland is expanding and glad to hear the accolade in Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, isn't that something?
		Best Talk Show Award.
		And I believe that it was the first time that that award was ever given to an outside show or a syndicated program.
		So we're pretty proud of it.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's great.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, last week on Dreamland, as we keep trying to stay at the edge of stories that are breaking on several fronts, ranging from the possibility that we're actually being introduced to other life forms through autopsies that the government has hidden.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Before, and I know you're going to head away from this topic quickly because you've got something else, but before we leave the subject of the autopsy, we were talking, and I think we ought to share this with the audience.
		I've had various facts saying, well, you know, this didn't look right or that didn't look right.
		But Linda, so far, and I have a big information base, and so do you.
		Not one person has shot a big hole into the alien autopsy film as seen thus far.
		Not one big hole.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And since I interviewed London music video producer Ray Santilli for Dreamland last week about the alleged Socorro, New Mexico UFO crash and retrieval of humanoid bodies, both dead and alive, on a date of June 3rd, 1947, completely different from the July 1947 Razzo crash, I've received off-the-record communications from three people who say the autopsy film is real.
		One communicator said that in his work for the government that he had read classified government documents about both Corona, New Mexico, and a completely different flying saucer crash, flying saucer being the term used in the 40s, located between Socorro and Magdalena, which is where the cameraman associated with the Race Antille film says he photographed both three live aliens and a dead one and a silver disc.
		This contact said that he has actually seen film from the Corona, New Mexico crash site on the Mac Brago ranch and emphasized that the non-human beings there were quite different than the Socoro humanoids.
		He said the Corona crash site beings had very large heads with eyes like a cat or reptile, meaning vertical foot pupils, and that the hands had four long fingers, not six fingers, as the humanoids have in the Socoro autopsy.
		So each week, more circumstantial information piles up to support reports that there have been several different UFO crash sites in retrievals since the 1940s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe it's breaking it all open.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe we are at that time finally.
		And as Ray Sintilly said in the interview, he's been receiving information about other films and photos which might be forthcoming in the months ahead, and I'm going to try to stay on top of these events as they unfold.
		And while we've all been absorbed with the humanoid autopsy footage and the controversy about whether or not these are real extraterrestrials from off-planet somewhere, right around us, people are reporting encounters with live entities that don't seem to be human either.
		And some of the current eyewitness accounts also involve the animal mutilation mystery.
		Recently, I interviewed a Canadian farmer who has lost a dozen cattle since January, and even more in 1994 after he saw a strange blowing object in his Saskatchewan pasture last March.
		It was about midnight and he was checking cows about to calf.
		This is his story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All the way from Canada.
unidentified		I walked out there and checked my cows and got to the end of the trail and then I heard something like a tractor, like a machine running and say about a half a mile away or a mile away, just a hub hum, eh?
		And I kept looking around and I spotted this thing down there in the field.
		It was about a quarter of a mile away.
		It was kind of greenish.
		Looked like in a saucer shape.
		And it was looked like it was sitting maybe about two feet off the ground.
		Like it wasn't really embedded right into the grass and debris down there.
		It was just kind of maybe lifted up about three feet off the ground, something like that.
		And I just stared at it and of course the hair in the back of your neck kind of stands up and it gives you a funny feeling and I had a flashlight.
		I never even lit the flashlight because I thought, well, I didn't want to be seen.
		I just wanted to watch.
		And then I made some kind of a remark like, what in the hell do you bastards want or something like that from me, eh?
		You know, I said, real loud, eh?
		And I just watched it and I seen two figures, two little figures come around on each side of it.
		Like, you know, from the glare from the machine, you could see these two figures in front.
		It was, you know, like it was dark, eh?
		What did they look like?
		Well, I don't know.
		They're about, I'd say maybe two and a half, three feet tall or something like that.
		And they look something like a half dinosaur and half man or something.
		Like they kind of had long, skinny bodies and longer heads on them, eh?
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so something that was sort of lizard-like or reptilian-looking?
unidentified		Yeah, something like that I can recall.
		I didn't see the long tails on them or anything, but you know, they were just, And all of a sudden the thing took off, eh?
		I can't remember if I talked to it before.
		I seen him.
		I think I seen him first before.
		I said, what the hell do you guys want from me, you know?
		And then the thing just lifted up, kind of went into light, like changed into a light color, like, you know, kind of an orangish-yellow color.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		So it went from green to orangish-yellow?
unidentified		Yeah.
		And it just over to above the trees there and just more or less fit in like a, not like a star, but, you know, like it was.
		You could tell it was different.
		It was just above the tree line, and I walked to the house here.
		And I woke up the family and said, look, you guys, see that light over there?
		I said, it was just on the ground over there.
		And I said, it was green.
		I said, no, it's great yellow.
		And we watched it for a few minutes, and finally it started to move a little bit.
		And we went to bed.
		After that, did you have any animal mutilations that spring?
		Yeah, in fact, I think we did down in another pasture.
		We had the kids and the wife went down to check the cows and they said there was a calf there with the ears cut off.
		Flushed with the head.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And that was what month?
unidentified		That was in'94 of the summer, I guess.
		Okay, so not maybe a month or two after the siding.
		Okay.
		Yeah.
		The calf had the ears cut off.
		When they went and seen it.
		And they come home and told me.
		And I said, the next day, I said, well, let's go look.
		I said, you know, it's awful odd.
		One or two days later.
		And then we couldn't find the calf at all?
		Couldn't find the calf at all.
		And we found the cow, yeah, and she was dead.
		It had been mutilated the back end, and the face was done pretty good on her.
		And that was the mother of the calf that had disappeared.
		Yes.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And on the head, what was taken from the cow, the mother cow?
unidentified		Oh, the tongue and the jaw, like all the meat back on the jaw and the back end of her.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		How long have you been ranching and farming in this same farm area?
unidentified		Since about 1970 or 71.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so at least 25 years in the same farm.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And over those 25 years, how many animals have you lost to this unusual death with excisions of tissue?
unidentified		Oh, we've got to be in the 20s somewhere.
		The nearest we can figure it's been probably about, well, we've had 12 this year.
		So I'd say probably in year 2024 somewhere in that area over the years.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		All right, and what's been the average value on the animals that you've lost this year?
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		How much, how many dollars per animal?
unidentified		Oh, probably around the $800 mark or something.
		It's just a commercial holiday.
		Right.
		You're not perfect or nothing, but it does hurt.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's about $9,600 or almost $10,000 in animals.
unidentified		In this summer, yeah.
		Now, are you able to get any insurance money on these animals?
		Well, Linda, the problem we have here is the insurance policy reads if it's mutilated, they'll pay.
		But we can't find anybody that wants to come out and tell us to mutilate it, even though they can see it.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		What is it, in terms of your own mind as you look at these 12 animals this year and the others in the past, that makes them different from predator kills?
		What's the difference?
		Yeah, from your point of view.
unidentified		Oh, there's no doubt in my mind.
		Like a predator will pull.
		These are real nice.
		These are cut so nice and carved away with a knife.
		For instance, like even after a few days, the hooves, the hooves on the cows, you know, they'll pull right off like they've been, you know, like this.
		The same as if there's any horns on them.
		Mine never had no horns now, but two years ago I had one with horns.
		You could grab that horn and pull it right off, and all you had left was just the meaty part of the horn inside.
		Right.
		Now, this kind of rigamorphous takes time, like two or three years on a normal basis, eh?
		Like, you know, you can butcher a bull, you can kill a bull, take the head, and uh, you'll never pull the horns off.
		It can hang, uh, hang there for years, you know what I mean?
		Right.
		And whereas these here, you can grab them and just pull the horn right off.
		There's some form of energy that's exerted on these animals.
		And this is where our problem is coming in.
		If these guys would acknowledge it, that it's not predators.
		We could get insurance.
		Yes.
		You know, we'd get something out of it.
		Like, we don't know what we're going to do.
		Like, we're going to maybe are we going to sell the cowherd?
		Are we going to have to move on something else?
		Because, I mean, the crop isn't, there's no crop up here this year.
		So we're pretty well financially strapped right now.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And this farmer, he doesn't want to have his name known.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't blame him a bit.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I've talked with so many in the same situation.
		But he said to me, you know, maybe by at least sharing what's happened to me, that some other farmers will feel like that they can also come forward.
		And maybe if we all started talking about what's happening, we might be able to change things.
		At least I'm hoping that by being able to share these reports like this from this Canadian farmer, that we can help other people feel more confident about reporting such things as animal mutilations or unusual deaths and possible associations with light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can just see sitting down with an insurance adjuster explaining about the disc and the little reptilian half-human beings or whatever he saw.
		No, thank you.
		That's not going to work.
		So you're right.
		It's the only hope.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and if anyone in Montana, North Dakota, the Great Lakes, or other areas along the U.S.-Canadian border who is here at Greenland have had any similar incidents occur on their ranches or farms or know anyone who has, I would really appreciate them contacting me if possible by mail at Post Office Box 538 in Huntingdon Valley, Pennsylvania.
		And the zip code is 19006.
		Again, that's Post Office Box 538 in Huntingdon Valley, Pennsylvania.
		ZIP code 19006.
		And Art, for information about books and videos now, I have a toll-free 800 number, and that is 800-707-9993.
		Again, that's 800-707-9993 for information about books and videos.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, one more number, then we've got to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to give out your fax number?
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thanks.
		It's Area Code 215-491-9842.
		And I will look forward for information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Linda, we got interrupted there at the end.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give it again, please.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		215-491-9842.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're getting interrupted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think you're getting a call.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Very good.
		Well, we'll get it on again before the end of the program.
		Linda.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		I'm interested in information on all fronts, from the human rights to mutilations, crop circles, abductions, all of the mystery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, very good.
		Thank you, Linda Howell.
		Look forward to talking to you next week again, I suppose, I hope, Philadelphia.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I will be here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, talk to you then.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it certainly is.
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		Now, 09.
		Now, I'm going to read you the back of Nano Dreams.
		This is Elton's book.
		Listen to this and let your hair stand on end.
		Nano Dreams.
		Welcome to the world of the microminiaturized future where all things are possible, but only human wisdom stands between us and unspeakable disaster.
		Nanodreams.
		Virus-sized self that can fabricate a ship from seawater, eliminate disease, reverse aging, and increase human intelligence.
		But devices that can create anything from anything and are too small to detect are of necessity, of course, a two-edged sword.
		So in your future, imagine nano-nightmares.
		Microscopic assassins that self-replicate like a plague as they skip from body to body, searching for that one special victim or racial Type.
		Devices that physically invade high-security computers and hack them into little data bits.
		Nanomachines that go anywhere, do anything, and have no mercy.
		Pretty chilling stuff, huh?
		Elton Elliott.
		He is a graduate of Willamette University class of 1980, lives in Kaiser, Oregon, with an ever-expanding family of computers.
		He is many, many times published.
		His stories have been nominated for the Nebula Award.
		Dr. Gregory Benford in the science column of, in the May 1995 issue of the magazine of fantasy and science fiction, called his anthology Nano Dreams, a good example of firm thinking.
		We'll find out what he's published as we go to him now.
		From, where is this?
		In Oregon?
		Give us the name of your city again.
		I may have slaughtered it, Elton.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Kaiser.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kaiser, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I got it all right.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Kaiser.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good to have you on the program.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Good to be speaking with you this evening.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		I wanted to congratulate you first on your award.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thank you.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		And I have many, many, many a times driving long distances late at night, I have listened to your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The keeper of the night, I guess we are.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's kept me from falling asleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's done that for me, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So far, anyway.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought the back of your book did a good job of explaining what it can be on the plus side and what it can be on the negative side.
		So why don't you go ahead and sort of lay this out or expand on what is on the back of your book here.
		What is nanotechnology?
		For those who are new to it, I guess we better begin at the beginning.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		I will begin at the beginning, and what I'm going to do is I'm going to read a direct quote from an author by the name of Eric Drexler.
		And he's not just an author, he's also a scientist.
		He was awarded the world's first PhD, as a matter of fact, in nanotechnology from MIT.
		And he is the person who coined the term nanotechnology.
		He also writes the introduction to nanodreens.
		And his definition in his groundbreaking book, Indians of Creation, is definition, technology based on the manipulation of individual atoms and molecules to build structures to complex atomic specifications.
		And how I would describe that for lay people in the audience would be as follows.
		Up until now, our technology has essentially been bulk technology.
		To create the telephone that I'm talking to you on, we take various types of, various types of plastics, various types of metals, other things, we heat them, we chop them, we combine them together, and we create objects of use.
		Telephones, VCRs, televisions, what have you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Our houses, our clothes, everything is done by a bulk technology.
		We take something large and we chip away at it.
		Nature doesn't operate that way.
		We ourselves are born from a program.
unidentified		And when can we expect it back on the radio?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Soon.
		And what he's up to is correlating data on Halebaugh, the comet.
		And, of course, we're going to talk to him as well about a whole bunch of other things, including these new photographs we've got and the photographs and the alien autopsy.
		So there's a lot for Mr. Hoagland to comment on.
		And the answer is soon.
unidentified		Fantastic.
		Another quick question.
		Is there a way to monitor what he's doing over the internet?
		I found some articles that have been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You might try a web browse search on the name Hoagland, Richard Hoagland, see what you can find.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all I can suggest.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		One quick question.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		I'll let you go.
unidentified		Do you understand hyperdimensional physics?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only vaguely.
		I've had Richard explain it to me a number of times, and I can't tell you that I fully grasped it.
		I've got sort of an outline of an idea of what he's talking about, but fully know.
unidentified		Yeah, the last time he had him on the air, he spent a lot of time discussing his problems that he's having with our government and trying to get information and trying to get things done.
unidentified		But he didn't spend a whole lot of time discussing hyperdimensional physics, and I was just hoping that next time he would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we'll see what we can do, whether he can bring it down to, it's very difficult to bring it down, a very complex subject, to the level that a relative layman can understand.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I was wondering when Mr. Shell, you said you were going to get him back on the air to interview him again after he talked to the photographer?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is correct, yes.
unidentified		Is he going to do a recording of his interview audio and possibly let you play it back on the air for us?
		Or is he just going to relay the information?
		Oh, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll have him on as a guest.
unidentified		Sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We will have him on as a guest.
unidentified		No, as far as the audio part of his interview with the photographer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that I can't answer.
		It depends on what he gets, sir.
		I have no way of knowing.
		He will talk to the photographer and either give us secondhand or give us access to the photographer or give us a recorded interview from the photographer, and I have no way of knowing what he's going to do.
unidentified		These pictures you say you received from this anonymous contributor, does the pictures by chance show the part that Mr. Schell was talking about that was in these other films, the portion that shows the communication receiver?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you referring to the box?
unidentified		Box?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the box with the imprint for the control panel using six fingers.
unidentified		No, you mentioned that there was like a communication satellite or something that was separate from the ship that was supposed to have been attached to the ship.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, I have nothing of that sort.
		What I have is what I described, sir.
		I have uh photographs of the wreckage.
unidentified		Oh, uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
		All right, thank you very much for the call.
		And again, because this is so fresh and so immediate, I want to take a second out to tell you.
		As soon as I'm off the air, and I'm about to be off the air, I'm going to quickly arrange to send these photographs to the bulletin board, and John Byron, he is going to get them up there immediately for you.
		My guess is this process will take about 30 minutes.
		The phone number for our bulletin board, and you can begin calling about 30 minutes from now, is 702-727-1709 if you have a computer.
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		As you say, from bulk to get something smaller and functional, a machine, nanotechnology starts at the bottom at the molecular level and builds up.
		And builds up.
		Kind of like, sort of like nature.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Nanotechnology may not be, we may not do it exactly the way that nature does it, but we know that molecular technology, which is really what this is, another term for it, molecular nanotechnology, we know that it works because nature already does it.
		That's a key factor.
		And that's one of the things that a lot of people miss when they first hear about this technology.
		So therefore, once you get accustomed to the notion of, shall we say, operating from a program, for instance, you could take, and let's talk about a house.
		Our houses today are remarkably inefficient.
		I mean, they're nice caves.
		They protect us from the elements, but at tremendous cost.
		How about the notion of smart bricks?
		The notion of bricks pre-programmed, for instance, to in the summertime, in the coolness of the evening, to let the cool air in, to open their pores, in the middle of the day when it's hot, to close their pores.
unidentified		Wow.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Period.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow, that's incredible.
unidentified		In other words, well, all right, let me try and understand.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		And I'll give credit to Dr. Arnold Andrews at Sandy National Laboratories who came up with that notion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, smart bricks.
		Let's explore the notion for a second.
		Let's say we had a smart brick.
		What have we got on our hands here?
		Do we have a machine or do we have some kind of living organism?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		We have something.
		We're going to have to come up with a new term.
		It's not specifically a living organism.
		It is a little different than a machine.
		I would say it's the difference between hardware and software.
		Hardware, once again, is both technology, but a software program and a computer is actually, as far as I'm concerned, the first beginnings of the notion of molecular technology happened with computer software.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're stretching my mind.
		Let's say with the brick.
		In other words, how does the brick, how is the brick programmed or different from a normal brick in its ability to let air through?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		The brick would be designed with computers, onboard computers inside very, very tiny, very small molecular computers.
		And it just basically does it to any preset temperature.
		And you can control this by just essentially by voice augmentation.
		You can just call out, let's say, for instance, that it's a beautiful sunset and you want to see it from every area of your house.
		Suddenly, those smart bricks are now transparent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Elton, how far away from such technology do you think we might be?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Well, a saying which has been credited to a gentleman by the name of Roger Arnold, who I've never met, but I've heard it's been credited to him.
		He said, if we're lucky, we'll have it in 30 years.
		If we're unlucky, we'll have it in 10.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a way to put it, all right.
		And that, of course, introduces us to the negative side of the possibility of nanotechnology.
		But before we go to the negative side, here's a fact.
		I've got a lot of people.
		This is from all the way up on Kodiak Island, Alaska.
		And it's a question for you.
		Will nanotechnology be able to constantly repair our bodies?
		If so, how soon can I expect to have the body of a 20-year-old again?
		No, wait, wait, there's more.
		Overpopulation and space travel are my concerns if this technology can indefinitely extend human life.
		We'll have to get off the rock, this rock, or stop having children until we can extend life.
		That would change everything.
		I just hope I live to see it.
		If I do, we might run into each other a thousand years from now on some other planet and talk about old times.
		That's from Gary and Kodiak.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Well, Gary, you might very well be correct.
		We might indeed do that a thousand years from now.
		That would be certainly a fond wish of mine.
		And you're also correct that when you have longevity, you also change from a culture, and this is crucial.
		You change from a culture of death, which is what our culture is today.
		The pension funds, insurance companies, they're all based on death.
unidentified		True.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Nanotechnology is going to change our culture.
		It will be a culture based on life.
		And yes, indeed, one of the things they are talking about are very, very small machines Inside the human body, going through the human body.
		I don't know if these are things that are permanently in there or if you take an occasional drink, say, for instance, and put them in.
		But you can imagine very, very, very small, tiny molecular machines with an onboard computer that, say, use the glucose in the bloodstream for an energy supply, that use the flagellum like a bacteria to motor through the body.
		They're very small, so the smallest capillary that you have in your body to these machines is like a 128-lane freeway.
		And they go through and they check for anything that shouldn't be there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, again, let me back up a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, from the moment we are born, we are dying.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, but nanotechnology might put us in a constant state of repair, in other words.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		It will put us in a constant state of repair, and this will change us.
		This is one of the key things about nanotechnology that a lot of people don't have the guts to talk about.
		And I'm going to talk about it tonight.
		And that is that nanotechnology will change human beings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, on that note, hold on.
		We'll come right back to you.
		If you have not been hooked yet, then you are not hookable and should go away and listen to a music program someplace.
		Elton T. Elliott, back in a moment.
		Let's see if I've got this right.
		If we're lucky, we'll have nanotechnology in 30 or 40 years.
		If we're unlucky, we'll have it in 10 years.
		Now, Elton, is it ahead of us?
		And if it is, how dangerous is it?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		I would maintain that it's extremely dangerous.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Because anything that offers you these type of possibilities is going to have negative consequences that will be equally as large.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And do we have any way of knowing, this is just a shot-in-the-dark question, Elton, but do we have any way of knowing really what the state of the art is right now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, I'm sure that if Elton T. Elliott can come on here and talk about it, our government, other governments, are way deep into it, far into it, and secretly so.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Actually, what's really fascinating about this technology is how it's snuck up on everybody, or at least the possibilities of this technology.
		The one key thing about nanotechnology is it isn't science.
		It's engineering.
		I mean, the difference is that it's engineering in the sense that it breaks no physical law, so it's just a matter of learning how to do it, as opposed to, say, discovering a whole new scientific theory.
		Because of that, oftentimes it is considered, oftentimes it's simply dismissed by engineers, because after all, they deal with things that they can build.
		And to a certain extent, until recently, in the scientific community, it received the same type of dismissal.
		That has changed in the 1990s.
		As a matter of fact, toward the end of the Bush administration, Dr. Drexler briefed the CIA.
		He briefed all sorts of top government agencies about this.
		And indeed, there were several major generals that were stunned by the military implications and stunned by the fact that nobody knew anything about it.
		This is something where the scientists and the thinkers have really been ahead of, or in this case, Eric Drexer and people like him, theoretical engineers, have really been ahead of everybody.
		Including, I might add, the science fiction writers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, except that, of course, we have no way of knowing what's going on in secret underground labs and all that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		We can say certain things.
		We do know that there were, I mean, I know, for instance, the scientists at Boeing were considering stuff like this back in the early 1980s, which they called cellular automata.
		I know that the Japanese right now are spending $200 million a year on nanometer scale types of scientific efforts.
		In the case of Germany, in Europe, I've heard that it's around $100 million a year.
		Outside of Tokyo, in Japan, there's a 40-foot, 40-story tall building that is devoted to nothing but nanotech research.
		So I know foreign governments are doing it and doing it almost in a crash program.
		And as for the United States, it looks like in this case, I think we're behind the curve.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The nano curve, huh?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Behind the nano curve.
		I would hope it's being done.
		The key thing is I am concerned about this technology being developed secretly.
		I'm very concerned about this technology.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would be too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		technology should be developed out in the open and we should have free information exchange and what have you i will say right now I mean, that ignores all of human history, including the atomic bomb.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		It does.
		Although there are some things that are out in the open.
		When Drexer and the people that first talked about nanotechnology chatted about it, they presumed that we would manipulate natural atoms.
		Well, engineers at AT ⁇ T have developed artificial atoms.
		Just recently, just recently, major breakthroughs have been made in certain types of mathematical puzzles using DNA computers.
		You simply assign certain numbers to strands of DNA and run it through a DNA synthesizer and sequencer and come out with the answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not that frightening.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		And you can do it a lot faster than you can, say, through a normal computer.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		At the same time, Intel has just sold the Sandia National Laboratories the first computer capable of making teraplop operations, which is a trillion calculations per second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A trillion?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		A trillion.
		A trillion.
		This has been out in the press.
		This has made the national news.
		It's been in the New York Times.
		They're using this to model nuclear explosions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, great.
		On computers.
		See, figures, instead of modeling a cure for cancer or the way cancer Cells replicate.
		We've got to model.
		We get a computer that fast, and we're modeling nuclear explosions.
		And that makes my point perfectly.
		We're at the top of the hour.
		Elton, sit back, relax.
		You've got about five or six minutes or so, and we'll be right back to you.
		You're listening to Dreamland from the high desert.
		This is fascinating.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
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		Back now to our guest, Elton Elliott.
		Elton, is there a key in the middle of your name?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is.
		Okay, well, I have that right.
		I don't know where I got it.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I go by Elton Elliott.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mentioned a computer right now, one that exists now.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Actually, one that's being built.
		The government is paying Intel $25 million to build it.
		That will compute a trillion operations per second.
		What it is, actually, is using the new Pentium Pro chip, and it's going to simply take and align around 10,000 of these chips in a parallel processing alignment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Elton, at some point, there or in the future, do you consider it possible that we will in effect create a being, life?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		It may be possible It may be possible to create something like that.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		The reason why I hesitate is because I listened to Mr. Osman talking last week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		And some of his comments, and some of the comments the viewers made about life and how special it is.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		And the question is, can we create life if you mean could we create something that is small on the order of a virus or a bacteria?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't mean that.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		You don't mean that.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		No, you mean something that's self-aware.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's get into it this way.
		I'm going to ask you the same question I asked him.
		As processing gets faster, storage gets more massive, faster and faster and faster and faster we go.
		At some point, is it not likely that we will create something that is creative?
		That's the only way I can put it, creative, and then perhaps aware.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		The question is, I think there are at least Two different ways to go.
		And I suspect human beings being human beings will use both.
		I think we'll probably create what would be termed artificial intelligences.
		There's been a lot of effort on that in computers anyway.
		At the same time, we're going to do something else.
		We're going to intellectually and otherwise physically augment ourselves.
		This is very, very important.
		We are the last generation that will be recognizably human.
		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Nanotechnology happens.
unidentified		We will be the last...
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Atom has been designed by scientists at AT ⁇ T, and I believe it's being held together, if I'm not mistaken, by an electronic, I mean electromagnetic bottle.
		And the atom in question, okay, I'm quoting now from Ed Regis' book Nano.
		The atom in question was actually an empty space within a gallium arsenide crystal to which electrons could be moved one at a time by the application of a light magnetic pulse.
		So that's the answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
		All right.
		Back to the phone lines.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elton Elliott.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		St. Louis.
		T-Man.
		Hi, Ari.
		Elton, could an implanted computer chip change our thought processes and to become maybe politically correct like the government would like us all to be?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		That's an extremely good question.
		I mean, that's an extremely scary piece of speculation.
		I certainly hope not.
		I will say, however, that what fascinates me is the crudity with which most so-called alien implantation devices that you read about in the UFO technology, how crude they are compared to nanotech.
		I mean, you know, if this is an advanced alien civilization, it seems like they've had a long time to come up with something better than what we've seen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we're the ones that are going to make all the developments.
		We're the ones that are going to spread from this planet to others.
		Maybe we are going to be the masters of the universe.
		that's maybe as scary as alien intervention isn't it well it is because i have this And again, I'm sorry to say all of human history is on my side.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elton Elliott.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		I'm calling from Salem, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Salem, all right?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's your question?
unidentified		I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, turn your radio off.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		All right, go ahead.
unidentified		All right, I'd like to talk to Elton or Elliott.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, go ahead, sir.
unidentified		Curious, you know, do you consider this a devolution or evolution of humanity?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good question.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a very good question.
		A lot of it's going to depend upon, a lot of it's going to depend upon what we do with this technology, okay?
		I think anything like this, like I said, it's this powerful, has the chance to be used for either ill gain or good gain.
		But I would say right now that change is a very unsettling thing.
		The older you get in life, the more that the things you remember as a child are comforting to you.
		And nanotechnology promises radical change and change that could happen on the order of not years, but days, minutes, hours.
		That's the thing I'm really the most worried about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, we don't have a lot of time.
		If you have a quick question, where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Minneapolis, Minnesota.
unidentified		And I'd like to know if these could be a cure for AIDS if they didn't use the technology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		AIDS, you mentioned AIDS.
		We talked about AIDS.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is a pretty direct immediate application for nanotechnology with regard to AIDS.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		With regard to AIDS, absolutely.
		I would think that should be one of the major areas of research once we come up with an effective molecular assembly breakthrough.
		Would be simply to go through and determine where that virus is in the body, what the damaging effects it's doing on the cells, and simply stop that process.
		This is one of the areas where the Human Genome Project is going to help because it's going to give us a genetic blueprint of the body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand the AIDS virus manages to attach itself almost in an incredibly perfect manner to the cells that it destroys.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		It's really suspicious, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, it is.
		And nanotechnology, one could imagine, could step right into the middle of that process.
		Absolutely.
		All right.
		Well, this is really something.
		Elton, standby.
		We're headed again toward the top of the hour.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is a program called Dreamland, dealing with things like you're hearing this evening.
		That's why we're here.
		Happy to be here.
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		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nanotechnology makes one wonder if there's going to come a day when mankind will no longer work or toil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really does.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		That's going to be very, very interesting.
		And one of the problems is the impact it's going to have on money, on what the basis for money is.
		And I simply wouldn't know how to answer that question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Our entire existence will be modified.
		In other words, with nanotechnology comes essentially replication.
		And that's what I was saying when I launched into that commercial.
		Elton, isn't it possible that this would produce a world of people at the extreme who would have nothing to do physically or work to do physically?
		They would simply, you know, it's the horn aux plundy.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		I think that it's very possible that nanotechnology could bring about a world where you don't define yourself by work.
		And there are some people who may sit back and become lazy and do nothing and become unproductive.
		However, there are going to be plenty of people who are going to be phenomenally creative.
		There are going to be plenty of people who are going to want to essentially go into space.
		One of the things you can do with nanotechnology is you can create world books.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the entire definition of productivity would likely change, wouldn't it?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, absolutely.
		And by productivity, I mean things which would be creative, new designs, new designs of nanotech itself, other types of creativity.
		I think creativity is going to last.
		I think that the technology this is going to give us in terms of spaceflight, which isn't something we've talked about much tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, and let's get to that in just one second.
		I do want to welcome again, because I think they joined in the third hour, KSYG in Little Rock, Arkansas.
		If you're just catching us, this is the third of three hours.
		And to get the whole show, you'd want to give your station there in Little Rock a call.
		Just one joining, Little Rock, joining 150 other affiliates.
		This is Dreamland.
		It is a program dedicated to discussions about things that, as I say in my little piece at the beginning of the program, are not so easily or neatly put in a box.
		And nanotechnology definitely is in that category.
		So all I can tell you is let your mind rest, listen carefully, and open up and receive what we're sending because this is very important stuff.
		You don't have to put up with it.
		What am I talking about?
		Hard, foul, water.
		That's right.
		Hard water gets into everything, fouls it up.
		You know what I mean?
		The white, scaly stuff.
unidentified		Our society, the way we see it, is so dysfunctional as it is.
		We are overlung with information.
		Now comes nanoscience.
		I mean, we challenging creation, and I have a feeling we're going to lose sick time.
		Now, Elliot, I'm going to tell you something.
		You may reject it or catch it.
		For over 40 years now, abductees and various key people have taken space rides with recall UFOs.
		It has been reported from many sources, that's global-white, that the hull of the spacecraft totally become transparent, totally invisible.
		Now, remember the smart bricks with the sunset?
		It looks like ET is already working with nanoscience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, there you are.
		Yes, it's a good point he makes.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
		If, you know, I mean, I don't know.
		I don't profess to know and profess to understand that, you know, the UFO phenomena one way or the other.
		But if indeed such things are reporting, if such things have happened, then maybe that is indeed possible.
		I would think that any advanced alien civilization would have nanotechnology or nanotechnological capabilities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really like the way you explained it in the beginning.
		Mankind for all these years has been taking big things and, in effect, whittling them down to make functional, smaller machines that work, big to small.
		Nanotechnology is the exact reverse, you say.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Small to big.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take the molecular level and you build to big.
		It's creation.
		And that's what, that's, I guess, what freaks me out.
		To me, it smells like, tastes like, looks like creation.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Well, one of the things, and if you talk about big things, one of the things that you could make with nanotechnology ultimately is, let's say, what I would term a large worldlet, which would be, say, something the size of North America.
		You go out into the asteroid belt, whether the one between Mars and Jupiter, the one between Jupiter and Saturn, and take several of the asteroids and essentially, with a lot of nanomachines and create a worldlet, something the size of North America.
		Make it mobile with capabilities of taking large magnetic bottles with certain types of mass and forcing it down.
		You might be able to create an artificial fun.
		And then, you know, essentially travel places.
		That's one of the things that the human species has a desire for travel, a desire for expansion, particularly when you go from a culture of death to a culture of life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Elton, you said earlier, and maybe some late audience joined, do you really believe this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is the last generation of human beings as we know them now.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		The last generation of human, the way I put it was the last generation that will be recognizably human.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elton Elliott.
unidentified		Hello.
		Good evening.
		All right, I've just about given up getting any sleep on Sunday night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Madison, Wisconsin.
		All right.
		I want to speak directly to what I think is the heart of the matter here, consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Now, a computer stores data in the binary code on a disk or a hard drive or whatever.
		And you're talking about downloading information from a human brain.
		And what I'm missing here is where has it ever been proven that information is stored in the brain in hard form like this?
		Or no binary code thing.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		This is exactly my concern.
		This is exactly my concern.
		When I said that a photograph of a sunset is not a sunset, it's an image of something.
		And absolutely, our minds don't necessarily operate on on-off switches.
		And of course, on the other hand, with the new work in DNA computers, and if you really want to look at it, which don't operate on on-off, but operate off of the four amino acid bases that's in DNA, if you look at DNA, DNA is, in a sense, the computer that runs our bodies.
unidentified		So our body runs our body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But wait a minute, sir.
		Wait a minute.
		Is not DNA, or cannot DNA, in a switch manner, yes, no manner, be turned on and off?
unidentified		Okay, in terms of action or reaction, yes.
		I mean, if you touch a frog in the right place, it jumps.
		Its DNA tells it to jump when it's stimulated.
		But see, I think we're getting right to the heart of what the difference is between mankind and the rest of the life forms on this planet.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I would say that, like I said, I've never been sanguine about the notion of just downloading somebody's mind into a machine.
		So I'd agree with the caller that there are probably concerns that he holds that are valid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the only thing I would offer is that a lot of times the only thing that prevents up or downloading is the right interface.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's also a very interesting point.
		Yes.
		And this entire thing, you know, when you talk about creating, when you talk about creating life, and one of the concerns that I have, and I come from a background, my parents were very, very Christian.
		So I come from a very strong Christian background.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then you must be challenged by, just all over the place.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		I am challenged all over the place by this.
		Yes, indeed I am.
		Absolutely.
		And I would say for those out there who are Christians, you know, if considering what I've said about this is the last generation of humans that are going to be the last generation that's going to be recognizably human, then it kind of puts a timetable for the second Advent, if you believe that.
		Or some sort of divine intervention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elton Elliott.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Eric, then Dreamland.
unidentified		This is Owen in Princeton, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Owen.
unidentified		It seems to me that if this technology is believed for real, then we'll have enormous population increase.
		Am I right in my thinking there?
		Oh, and sorry.
		And if I am, then don't you think that throughout history, good and evil has kind of evened out?
		And if we have sudden population increases, don't you think that we would have many cataclysmic events?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		No, no, absolutely not, because that's along the notions that life is limited to the earth.
		And it's manifestly not.
		I mean, if not life, certainly at least living space.
		I think you could very easily foresee human beings going.
		I mean, as soon as nanotechnology develops, various human beings that want to go elsewhere in the universe, whether, you know, for the same reason that the pilgrims and others went to America, you could have people, I mean, you could see an entire sphere or globe of humanity spreading outward into the galaxy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could it be a great jump from the smart brick to the spaceship created from seawater?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		No, absolutely not.
		I think one of the things that I've written about is nanovascular spacecraft.
		And these are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		explain that.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, these are spacecraft that essentially have...
		I mean, there was kind of a notion of this, a rather crude notion of this in Star Trek with a race of robots called the Borg, or half robot, half organic.
		And in this case, though, in this case, it's far more subtle.
		But it would be something that would essentially be self-repairing so that when you go in space at speeds near the speed of light, I mean, very, very, very small particle, I mean, very, very small pieces of matter near the speed of light can do tremendous damage to any craft.
		So consequently, you're going to have to have capabilities of repairing yourself.
		You're going to have to have capabilities of generating electromagnetic fields and all these sorts of things if you're going to travel in space in a safe fashion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The future version of the self-sealing tire.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		Yeah, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Elton, hold on.
		We'll be right back to you.
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unidentified		be right back Don't go changing.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		You're right where you should be.
unidentified		Talk 102.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First, win the battle for understanding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if we get to the technology before we win the battle for honesty and morality, we're dead meat.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Well, boy, I tell you something.
		This is one of the reasons why Eric Drexler, when he first came up with these notions back in the early 70s, I mean, he actually tried, I mean, 20 years ago, I came up with some of these ideas.
		He actually sat on them for a while until it was obvious that other people began to develop some of this stuff.
		And then he tried to get out in front by essentially creating institutes like the Forset Institute and others to bring some of these policy issues to the forefront.
		The way that we begin thinking about moral issues is to begin thinking about them.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm thinking about one right now, and I want to repeat it.
		It was earlier in the program.
		You said, we now have, or are about to have, a computer that computes at a trillion decisions Per second.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, exactly.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		A teraflop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now, are we using this to cure cancer?
		Are we using it to better mankind?
		No.
		What you told me was we're using this to simulate nuclear explosions.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely, according to articles in the New York Times and the Portland, Oregonian, precisely because the computer is being designed at Intel's headquarters up here in Oregon, not too far from where I live.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think it's really fascinating that a company as wealthy as Intel, and you talk about corporate wealth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not blaming Intel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just saying.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		I understand that, but can't they do their own R ⁇ D?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Why do they have to take it from the American taxpayers?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, because that's probably what the government's telling them to do.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, I know.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		I know.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly what they're doing.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		What they're basically doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My comment, look, it's more of a general comment on humanity and how ready we are for this technology.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		That we would use it to model.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nuclear detonations, yes.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you something.
		The original mission of Sandia, of course, was to essentially monitor nuclear weapons.
		Now, the question is, that may be one of the things you're going to do with it.
		They may also do other things with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'd be nice, but it worries me that that was their first choice.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Was there justification?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's basically the justification for their existence at the laboratory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm sure that's where the money comes from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West to the Rockies, you're on the air with Elton Elliott.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Jim calling from Portland, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Jim.
unidentified		I'd like to say this, man, is that nanotechnology is a much ado about nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess that's just a little nano-humor, right?
unidentified		You know, for instance, well, for instance, in the biotechnology field, before the nanotechnology could do anything, they have to figure out how the cell works in the first place.
unidentified		And they're no closer to doing that now than they were 10 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Comments, Elton?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Well, once again, I think that in terms of understanding how the cell operates, I think we're a lot further along.
		Obviously, if what you're saying is correct and it's much ado about very little, then fine.
		I mean, fine.
		That doesn't particularly bother me.
		In some ways, it would be a relief.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would be comforting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I utterly, utterly disagree with the last caller.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		He's wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think he's wishing and hoping he's not looking at reality.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		I think that's absolutely the case.
		That's why those of us that have watched this field, and we've seen everything that's leading toward this, one of the things we're talking about is taking a scanning tunneling microscope, which is what IBM used to spell out atomically their name in that experiment they did a couple years ago.
		And they spelled it out with 35 individual xenon atoms.
		And they used a scanning tunneling microscope.
		Well, since they've, I mean, there's talk about putting, you know, about essentially miniaturizing STMs, putting a whole bunch of them on a scanning tunneling microscope.
unidentified		Thank you.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and miniaturizing STMs, putting a whole bunch of them on a chip.
		Now, if you've got a whole bunch of those things able to manipulate individual atoms, and if at the same time you have a computer which is capable of doing a trillion operations per second, then you immediately have some phenomenal capabilities right there by just meeting those two.
		And the other thing is that this computer technology, in terms of it as a driving force for nanotech, I mean, they're getting a trillion operations per second just by putting 10,000 of these computers in parallel.
		What happens if you put a million of them together?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the wildcard line, you're on the air with Elton Elliott.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Dang Dong.
		It's Mr. Bell.
		It's Pete in Portland.
		Hello, Elliot.
		Hello?
		Yeah, like the man was saying, if we want to learn about the cell, we can build little nanobots, use them like Isaac Asimov's Fantastic Voyage, and put them inside the cell to monitor exactly what is going on, when, and how, and have them communicate with a teraflop computer outside.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, absolutely.
		It's one of the areas.
		It's a perfect application for that and virtual reality to help model some of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, I really almost wish that I believed, as that one somewhat nano-critical caller of a few moments ago believed, I think that those who presently are into computers and have even some basic understanding of what's being done right now with the current technology,
		the Pendium chip, those people are able then to make the leap more easily and understand what it is you're talking about and the unavoidable reality of it, I think.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elton Elliott.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Great program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I was wondering if you guys saw the movie Zardaz in terms of immortality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've not.
		Where are you, please?
		St. Louis.
		Have you seen it?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Zardaz was a movie starring Sean Connery back in the early 70s, and I've seen parts of it.
unidentified		Well, anyway, the people wanted to die because they were so bored.
		Now, I'm going to give you a best scenario and a worst scenario if it was totally beneficient.
		Just think of things like silicone breast implants and what penicillin has done to create super viruses in terms of foresight.
		That's the most beneficient government.
		In terms of the worst, which we see going on today, look at how they purport things like abortion and such like that.
		And they're not going to be trying to increase populations.
		What they'd be trying to do is decrease populations.
		Obviously, in terms of the media, it's trying to cause strife.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Let's look at it on a theoretical basis.
		This is part of the culture of death, which we have in our society.
		Nanotechnology will directly, radically confront that.
		But on the other hand, if you want to talk about implants and physical changes and whatever, what do you think the fashion-minded will do?
		I mean, today they're piercing themselves all over the place.
		They're putting tattoos everywhere, scarifying themselves.
		What will they do with nanotechnology?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, today's weapon is still penicillin or some variant of penicillin.
		Is it not possible?
		We're always in a fight with viruses, new viruses.
		It seems like newer ones are coming along.
		They're batter and batter and batter.
		Nanotechnology might be the eventual ultimate tool with regard to fighting them, mightn't it?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		Absolutely positively.
		And that's, I mean, because these machines are going to be operating literally on those levels, if not smaller.
		And so consequently, it, I mean, remember for somebody at one time talked and said, well, how are you going to necessarily lubricate some of these machines?
		Because after all, for them, a dollop of oil is an ocean.
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the answer?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Well, the answer is that they're talking about phased array diamond structures, diamond-like structures, so that you structure them very, very precisely in very hard patterns so that they simply flow along.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They actually flow and don't, they are their own lubricant.
		The very precise nature of them is lubricant.
		God, that's fascinating.
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elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		That's involved with protein folding in chemistry, in physics, further miniaturization of things like scanning tuning microscopes, atomic force microscopes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Elton, I'd almost be willing to bet back in the horse and doggy days, they said, a machine that works as well as a horse.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Well, exactly.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		And the fact of the matter is, for all these people who are basically critics of this, all I can say is that because nanotechnology mimics nature, there is a certain inevitability to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		You know, it just simply ups the ante for all of us.
		It ups the ante for all of us from a moral point of view, from a political point of view.
		I mean, you asked me just a broad question about political correctness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fly, Elliot.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		I'm appalled by political correctness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fly, Elliot.
		If man had been meant to fly, he'd have been given little wings he could flap, just like the birds.
		Man will never fly.
		Never fly, Elliot.
		Never.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Never fly.
		Nope.
		Nope, nope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there you are.
		Elton, we're at the end of the time.
		The guy in Princeton's right.
		We don't have enough time.
		It has been a great pleasure, and we will have you back, I guarantee, and we will talk more about this.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		I would love to be back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Elton, thank you.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		That's Elton Elliott.
		Why, if man had meant fly, he'd been given wings.
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		Nevertheless, would you explain that term, the goo?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		They go?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		It's the notion that you create that a machine accidentally runs a mock, and it essentially takes, oh, let's say, all carbon-based life forms, strips them down to their essential atoms, and just turns out goo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So all of humanity turns out.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		The biosphere of the planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even worse.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you could do it with oxygen, you could do it with hydrogen or what have you.
		I mean, you know, that's the danger in terms of, see, we don't need to create something like Terminator 2.
		Okay, I mean, the two creatures in there.
		We don't have to create anything like a robot or something.
		You just create small invisible machines that disassemble your enemies atom by atom, molecule by molecule.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, somebody sent a vax here.
		It says, please comment on this.
		Reference, 1986, a book apparently called Engines of Creation.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's Eric Grexford's book.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		That's the book that I got, the definition of nanotechnology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That it would be possible to, in effect, create nanotechnology machines that would, quote, lobotomize, end quote, entire populations.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, I think disassemble is a little more dangerous even than lobotomize.
		I mean, lobotomize is obviously horrific as well.
		Yeah, sure.
		I mean, you could do that.
		On the other hand, though, on the other hand, the technologists that are working on this are developing something called active shields.
		Remember, if you study military history, you know that for every offensive advance, there is eventually a concurrent catch-up by the defense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		And active shields would be ways of small molecular machines that would simply keep you safe from this stuff.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Keep you safe from grey gook, keep you safe from any type of invading molecular, in this case, normal viruses, normal bacteria, and any type of artificial virus or bacteria.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't this off into God's country?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Well, I thought about that when Mr. Osman when he said he didn't want to touch theology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, it is, after all, creation.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		It is, it certainly would be considered that.
		I'll respond to it in two ways.
		Yes, there are theological concerns with this, obviously.
		However, Arthur C. Clarke one time had a real nice quote.
		He said, the technology of any sufficiently advanced civilization is indistinguishable from magic.
		Well, I made a corollary, Elliot's corollary.
		Any current generation's technology will seem like magic to previous generations.
		Let's take Nebuchadnezzar from the Bible.
		Let's bring him up to the present.
		Take him into a dark room and turn on the light and turn on a switch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Elton, here's the thing.
		That's why I use the word quickening.
		It's all moving at an exponential rate.
		In other words, if you look at what's happened since we've been alive, say, with regard to our fathers and our grandfathers and so forth, the rate of change is just going nuts.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		It's on an exponential curve.
		Yes.
		Well, I would, like I said, to complete the analogy, I mean, what we do right now would be considered magic to somebody from Nebuchadnezzar's time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		What they would be doing in the future, we would consider magic.
		However, it would be based on technology.
		The question is the moral dimension.
		Do we have the wisdom?
		Do we have the wisdom to do this?
		I mean, for instance, if you develop nanotechnology, you have an economic monopoly, but if you go out there and you create smart bricks, how many people do you, you know, see you throw out of work?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		well actually nanotechnology nanotechnology is developed makes money a thing of the past there wouldn't be absolutely You might have something along the lines of a British thermal unit, which would still have some meaning.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there would be a medium of exchange.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		You could do that, but it couldn't be based upon anything hard like gold or silver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
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		The exact opposite of nano in this case is absolutely fresh flowers.
		Because their shipment is humongous, gigantic, nothing nano about it.
		If you want to absolutely blow away a female in your life, and it doesn't matter any female, they all react the same way.
		Oh, there's an occasional abynormal female who will say, I hate flowers.
		I've had one in all the years.
		Otherwise, they love them.
		There is no better deal in America than the deal you get when you deal straight with the flower farm.
		You pay $39.95.
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		Elden, a little while ago I said, bummer, and maybe I ought to be saying, thank God.
		I wonder which it really is, that I may just miss this.
		I wonder if it is going to turn into a nano-dream or a nano-nightmare.
		I mean, those are good.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		It is up to us to make the difference.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		It is up to us by making the public aware of this, by insisting that research be done openly, by insisting that secrecy be a thing of the past, anything that is going to change our behavior, I mean anything that's going to change, excuse me, anything that's going to change ourselves as much as nanotechnology will, we're going to have to change our behavior to adapt to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, and there's about as much chance of that as there is of the authorities inviting Art Bell to go visit Area 51 and S4.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's probably absolutely true.
		And of course, that opens up a whole other can of worms.
		And that involves the social ramifications.
		I mean, if, for instance, one of the big arguments that's been made, the reason why the government may be covering up things in, you know, various and sundry places, dealing with what the guest at the top of your show talked about, one of those reasons might be simply they're concerned about these social ramifications, about social dislocation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the fact of the matter is that That's right, that's right.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		And they may be able to manage something like that, but they can't manage nanotechnology.
		It cannot, it simply can't be stopped.
		It's happening all around the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sorrowfully agree with you in a way.
		The genie's out.
		It's not going to be put back in the bottle.
		The trouble is, I've got this awful feeling they're far ahead of the private sector.
		I mean, I'm sure they've got labs working.
		Anything this powerful, anything this powerful, Elton, they're working on it hard, and you know it.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		If indeed they are working on it hard, then it's going to be, we indeed are going to be living in extremely interesting times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's putting it mildly.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		I mean, anything that can alter what you look like, how smart you are, where you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Color of your eyes.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		The color of your eyes.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		We haven't even talked about one of the most profound impacts in nanotechnology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's a good hook.
		The human mind coming up next with Elton Elliott, nanotechnology.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening, everybody.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		I wish I could tell you that what we're talking about this evening is nano-nonsense.
		But it's not.
		It is the immediate and near future, and it is both a reason to be hopeful and a reason to be frightened.
		And maybe a reason to pray.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you say, Elton, people ought to do more of out there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Be hopeful, frightened, or pray?
unidentified		Pray?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mentioned the human mind, Elton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What applications would there be in nanotechnology for the human mind?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Well, one of the things that over the years, science fiction writers, which is one of the things that I do besides consulting on business, one of the things that the science fiction writers do is they write about the future.
		And the future has been a fairly comfortable place to write about, essentially, and to set stories in, because there was kind of a consensus future.
		You know, you'd have space flights, you'd go out into the galaxy, you'd form empires or big types of governments, and they'd collapse, and then they'd come back, and then maybe eventually, way down the line, you'd meet up with God or something like that.
		This was a consensus future.
		Well, nanotechnology has essentially stripped that aside, and it's stripped it aside in one way, and that is that nanotechnology offers possibilities in terms of altering the human brain.
		Capabilities, for instance, of directly putting a very, very, say, something the size of a sugar cube or smaller that would contain, for instance, the entire Library of Congress and putting it in our heads.
		Giving us access.
		I mean, wouldn't you like to be a world-class mathematician or a world-class scientist or a world-class, you know, whatever that capability?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, integrating a nanotechnological computer with a biological unit, i.e.
		human being.
		Correct.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		And if people think that this is, once again, if they think it's pie in the sky, recent research has been done, which has directly linked computer chips up with leech neurons.
		In the past, the only way you could do this is by electrodes, which caused all sorts of problems in terms of corrosion, electrical damage to the biological systems.
		And they've now discovered a way to circumvent this.
		Once again, directly from the New York Times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I posed a question with my guest last week, and I'll hit you with the same one.
		And this is probably a crude example, but it's one I could think of.
		There are people with disconnected tissue so that what their eye sees is not transmitted to their brain.
		Now, you might be able to take somebody who's blind and have them see.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		You might be able to take somebody who's blind and have them see.
		I think you would be able to do all sorts of other things, but consider for a moment.
		We tend to operate, with a few exceptions of peak capacity, our minds tend to operate at a certain speed.
		We're presented with some information, and some of us are faster than others at correlating that information.
		Imagine if you had human beings capable of correlating information at the speed of a computer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you have a super brace.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Well, what you have is you have a future in which science fiction writers are in big trouble because we write characters that are knowable to the audiences today.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		And how do you write logically about a character like that who's smarter than you are?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, let me drag you back a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you can make, if you could get the blind to see, then you could take somebody like me, and you could put something in the optic nerve that would allow me to see in the infrared spectrum.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Or we could have something that would allow you to see into the infrared, into the ultraviolet, I would presume, all along the electromagnetic spectrum.
		Absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		You would be, for instance, in terms of information, in terms of information transfer, you take something that's directly connected to your mind, have that piece of information leave your brain, have it disassembled, have it travel at light speed to another part of the, say, of the galaxy even.
		Have it reassembled, correlate information, come back to your mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How far might we be, Elton, from, and this is the analogy I used last week, I can take information on my hard drive and transfer it in a very short amount of time to another hard drive.
		That's a massive amount of information.
		What would stop us eventually from taking the contents of the human mind and in essence copying them?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Downloading it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or uploading.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or uploading.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Either term.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		My answer is, and I heard people talk about this in scientific conferences, and it always makes my skin crawl in the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does mine, too.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		And I think that the viewers last week, some of them had some very insightful notions.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		And one of those insightful notions is that there's something special about life and there's something special about consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Other than those that are staring blankly at their radio, we don't have viewers mostly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have listeners.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		No, the point is, and here's the hard question.
		You said you wouldn't be afraid of these.
		Let's say they hooked me up and they, in effect, uploaded or downloaded all of the information in my brain.
		The question is, hold on for the question.
		On the other end, in this nanotechnological device, what would they have?
		Would they have me?
		Would they have my soul?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Would they have Let's say that you're out at the beach and you take a picture of a particularly spectacular sunset.
		You don't have the sunset.
		You have an image of the sunset.
		If they take your mind and they put it into a machine, they may not have you.
		They may not have you.
		There may be something about the human body that we don't know about.
		There may be something, in other words, you may need, this is why I keep talking about augmenting our own bodies because our minds may need our bodies in ways that we don't understand.
		And that's something this research is going to tell.
		The question is, I mean, if you can augment your body and essentially have virtual immortality, you don't have to worry about, I mean, essentially your body's going to become a machine anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would like to begin to take, would you be willing to take some fast phone calls?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Boy, this is just a mind-boggling technology, and I'm sitting here almost wishing that it wasn't.
		Anyway, here we go.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elton Elliott.
		Good evening.
unidentified		Yeah, this reminds me of a couple things that in my past is one is be careful what you ask for.
		The second one reminded me of King Midas and the Golden Touch when he hugged his daughter.
		And the third one would be in the garden when the promise was made to Eve, if she ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		That she would be like God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, all right, very good.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but that wasn't necessarily the fruit of the tree of knowledge.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		That was the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Good and evil.
		And in the Bible, knowledge meant knowing.
		Knowing somebody meant acting.
		There was some sort of action that went along with eating the fruit of that particular tree.
		In this case, disobeying a direct order.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elton Elliot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		I'm just more of a believer now not to trust the government, not to trust scientists, not to trust nothing.
unidentified		I'll tell your viewers to start saving up on water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you, first of all, I don't have viewers.
		I have listeners.
		I hate television, so quit saying that.
unidentified		Okay, listeners.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thank you.
unidentified		Start saving up on water and food and rely on yourselves.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Second that emotion.
		I would be concerned about the government.
		I would be concerned about scientists.
		And I would be concerned in both cases because they're all too human.
		But as for water, the problem with this technology is if you've got small machines that are on the molecular level, you can't hide from them.
		I mean, they can go through walls.
		They can get you anywhere, any place.
		The only solution to this is to develop active shields.
		The only solution to being overwhelmed by this technology is to be actively involved in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm already overwhelmed, and I can't figure out whether it means that we're living in the last great days or the last of the bad days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know which it is.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		This, I'll tell you something.
		In some ways, maybe both.
		In some ways, maybe that's not a self-contrary concept.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gee, maybe we'll be looking back at these as the good old days, back when we had social problems, and every now and then somebody got killed by a gang or something or another.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know if that would be considered good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but compared to what could be in terms of the massive destructive power of nanotechnology if used incorrectly.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Elton Elliott.
		Hello.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
		This is Jerry in Alturas, California, listening program.
		Hi, Jerry.
		One of the things I was wondering listening to this nanotechnology is very interesting to me.
		I got to thinking about all of the new viruses that are showing up like Ebola and those strains of viruses.
		And I was kind of wondering, since they haven't been able to find the host or the source of these viruses, if it might not be one of these nanotechnology experiments gone alright.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a damn good question.
		You know, the caller is right.
		Ebola, they have speculated it comes from crystals and caves, and they've talked about a million different things, but they don't know.
		They have no idea where it keeps coming from.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Nor AIDS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nor AIDS.
		Right.
		Is it possible?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		I would say probably with biotechnology, you could do the same thing.
		You wouldn't need to go, say, as far as nanotech.
		Okay, another word, in other words, yeah, that could be something that could be done with today's technology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		May have already been.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		I mean, engineering viruses.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Sure, if we can do recombinant DNA with E. coli, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we're already there.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elton Elliott.
		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		I am calling from Liverpool, Kansas.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		All right, go ahead.
unidentified		And I was beginning to think you could only get on by invitation only.
		Oh, my goodness, their guest is marvelous.
		I wanted to know, this technology that's come through, is it all human oriented, or has any of it come from alien technology?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that is, hold on, hold to your answer for a second.
		Here's a fact.
		I've always wondered how the aliens could make materials that could not be violated by any human means.
		Now I believe I know how they do it.
		Nanotechnology.
		Could we now be seeing the results of the Roswell recovery of alien saucer material?
		Can't believe that we have happened upon this technology without some outside help.
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I really think this is one that I can answer authoritatively.
		Most of the people that came up with the original notions of nanotechnology, most of it came from the, I mean, codifying all of these various notions came from the brain of one person, Eric Drexler.
		Okay, and Eric Drexler, although I never met him in high school, he and I went to the same, went to high school near each other in the Mid-Willamette Valley in Oregon.
		I mean, I know Eric Drexler.
		I've sat down, I've eaten with him, he's human.
		Okay, I mean, the people that came up with this know this is not something that is reversely engineered alien technology or anything like that.
unidentified		No, this is human.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How can you know that?
		Well, I mean, let me even try this, Elmer.
		How can you account for the rapidly increasing technological revolution, the pace of it, how can you account for that when all of previous human history plotted there was intervention?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		It might be reasonable to speculate that there's intervention.
		As a matter of fact, what was it?
		Daniel says knowledge shall be increased, men shall run to and fro.
		I think that's biblical.
		So that notion has been around for a long time, yeah.
		But as for specific, as for the notion that this specific technology is it, I mean, the first major conference that was held on the West Coast, Nanocon 1, which was February of 1989, I was present with a whole bunch of other people.
		This is about, within about a year prior to that, is when I first became aware of this technology and other possibilities.
		And I will tell you, it had an incredible impact on me.
		It had just absolutely, I knew this was the future.
		There was an instinctive understanding there.
		Now, could that sort of instinctive understanding be implanted somehow, just out there in the ether somehow by aliens?
		Who knows?
		And who could tell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we'll be right back to Elton Elliott.
		It reminds me, I'm reminded of the obelisk, of the obelisk.
		And I too, there's no way to know.
		This is utter speculation where this technology came from.
		Easily could be the mind of man.
		It's just that, gee, we sure have done this quickly.
		And again, I must wonder on the edge of this kind of technology, whether these are the last great days, whether the future is going to be there at all.
		And it's going to depend on how man handles this technology.
		And I have this sour feeling we're not quite ready.
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		If you think the Earth is alive, then the next question is, what is thinking?
		What is it thinking?
elton elliot ▲ ● ▼		The Earth, that is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the point where those with an agenda wrap it up in a nice, easy-to-swallow package that the mere mortal who is terribly ill-equipped to ever understand it all thinks to himself, yeah, that'd explain it.
		Yeah, the Earth is alive.
		Fortunately, other than the Native American, most of the proponents of the Living Earth idea always seem to be environmental crusaders on a mission to stop the use of Earth's resources for anything but sustaining a controlled population with technology slightly above that of cavemen.
		The Native American is a pure hypocrite and a perfect example of what happens when you put your trust in myth.
		He goes on to talk about some particular Indian tribe that exploited and polluted the environment until they became extinct.
		So he says, the next time you have a guest who says the earth is alive, be that nut and bolts kind of guy you are and ask for something more substantial, like proof.
		Not some sorry excuse like cultures around the world throughout history believe the earth is alive.
		They also thought it was flat, or that the sun was carried across the sky by chariots.
		If you're afraid to ruffle the feathers of an invited guest, let me ask the tough questions.
		You can't be held responsible for callers' inquisition.
		Besides, when a question demands an answer, like you say on Dreamland, don't these answers demand to be proven before we are to believe them?
		And that was from Steve of Santa Barbara.
		So, I thought that you guys ought to hear that before Robert Morningstar does.
		And indeed, I will let him answer this.
		In the meantime, some of you might want to get a shot in.
		So there you've got it.
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