Linda Moulton Howe recounts a 1994 Saskatchewan UFO sighting—greenish saucers with reptilian figures—linked to precise animal mutilations baffling a farmer over 25 years, while Elton Elliott dives into nanotech’s atomic-scale engineering, citing Japan’s $200M and Germany’s $100M annual investments. He warns of "grey goo" risks, Drexler’s population-control theories, and potential consciousness uploads, comparing it to biblical warnings about unchecked knowledge. Callers debate societal collapse or liberation from aging, but Elliott insists human-driven progress—though ethically fraught—could redefine life, death, and even morality, leaving humanity’s future uncertain. [Automatically generated summary]
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As usual, Linda Elton-Howell, considered to be the world's expert on crop circles and animal mutilations, will be back into her field, I understand, with a report this evening.
And then, off into the world of nano-dreams.
The story of nanotechnology with Elton Elliott.
Elton has done a very great deal of work, has written a number of books, and I think you're going to find it absolutely fascinating.
I know I do.
So, nanotechnology in your immediate future.
But first, of course, Linda Howe.
Let me begin, though, by taking care of this.
It is a pleasure, and it's kind of right down the alley of Dreamland in a lot of ways.
And, you know, last week on Dreamland, as we keep trying to stay at the edge of stories that are breaking on several fronts, ranging from the possibility that we're actually being introduced to other life forms through autopsies that the government has hidden.
Before, and I know you're going to head away from this topic quickly because you've got something else, but before we leave the subject of the autopsy, we were talking, and I think we ought to share this with the audience.
I've had various facts saying, well, you know, this didn't look right or that didn't look right.
But Linda, so far, and I have a big information base, and so do you.
Not one person has shot a big hole into the alien autopsy film as seen thus far.
And since I interviewed London music video producer Ray Santilli for Dreamland last week about the alleged Socorro, New Mexico UFO crash and retrieval of humanoid bodies, both dead and alive, on a date of June 3rd, 1947, completely different from the July 1947 Razzo crash, I've received off-the-record communications from three people who say the autopsy film is real.
One communicator said that in his work for the government that he had read classified government documents about both Corona, New Mexico, and a completely different flying saucer crash, flying saucer being the term used in the 40s, located between Socorro and Magdalena, which is where the cameraman associated with the Race Antille film says he photographed both three live aliens and a dead one and a silver disc.
This contact said that he has actually seen film from the Corona, New Mexico crash site on the Mac Brago ranch and emphasized that the non-human beings there were quite different than the Socoro humanoids.
He said the Corona crash site beings had very large heads with eyes like a cat or reptile, meaning vertical foot pupils, and that the hands had four long fingers, not six fingers, as the humanoids have in the Socoro autopsy.
So each week, more circumstantial information piles up to support reports that there have been several different UFO crash sites in retrievals since the 1940s.
And as Ray Sintilly said in the interview, he's been receiving information about other films and photos which might be forthcoming in the months ahead, and I'm going to try to stay on top of these events as they unfold.
And while we've all been absorbed with the humanoid autopsy footage and the controversy about whether or not these are real extraterrestrials from off-planet somewhere, right around us, people are reporting encounters with live entities that don't seem to be human either.
And some of the current eyewitness accounts also involve the animal mutilation mystery.
Recently, I interviewed a Canadian farmer who has lost a dozen cattle since January, and even more in 1994 after he saw a strange blowing object in his Saskatchewan pasture last March.
It was about midnight and he was checking cows about to calf.
I walked out there and checked my cows and got to the end of the trail and then I heard something like a tractor, like a machine running and say about a half a mile away or a mile away, just a hub hum, eh?
And I kept looking around and I spotted this thing down there in the field.
It was about a quarter of a mile away.
It was kind of greenish.
Looked like in a saucer shape.
And it was looked like it was sitting maybe about two feet off the ground.
Like it wasn't really embedded right into the grass and debris down there.
It was just kind of maybe lifted up about three feet off the ground, something like that.
And I just stared at it and of course the hair in the back of your neck kind of stands up and it gives you a funny feeling and I had a flashlight.
I never even lit the flashlight because I thought, well, I didn't want to be seen.
I just wanted to watch.
And then I made some kind of a remark like, what in the hell do you bastards want or something like that from me, eh?
You know, I said, real loud, eh?
And I just watched it and I seen two figures, two little figures come around on each side of it.
Like, you know, from the glare from the machine, you could see these two figures in front.
It was, you know, like it was dark, eh?
What did they look like?
Well, I don't know.
They're about, I'd say maybe two and a half, three feet tall or something like that.
And they look something like a half dinosaur and half man or something.
Like they kind of had long, skinny bodies and longer heads on them, eh?
What is it, in terms of your own mind as you look at these 12 animals this year and the others in the past, that makes them different from predator kills?
What's the difference?
Yeah, from your point of view.
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Oh, there's no doubt in my mind.
Like a predator will pull.
These are real nice.
These are cut so nice and carved away with a knife.
For instance, like even after a few days, the hooves, the hooves on the cows, you know, they'll pull right off like they've been, you know, like this.
The same as if there's any horns on them.
Mine never had no horns now, but two years ago I had one with horns.
You could grab that horn and pull it right off, and all you had left was just the meaty part of the horn inside.
Right.
Now, this kind of rigamorphous takes time, like two or three years on a normal basis, eh?
Like, you know, you can butcher a bull, you can kill a bull, take the head, and uh, you'll never pull the horns off.
It can hang, uh, hang there for years, you know what I mean?
Right.
And whereas these here, you can grab them and just pull the horn right off.
There's some form of energy that's exerted on these animals.
And this is where our problem is coming in.
If these guys would acknowledge it, that it's not predators.
We could get insurance.
Yes.
You know, we'd get something out of it.
Like, we don't know what we're going to do.
Like, we're going to maybe are we going to sell the cowherd?
Are we going to have to move on something else?
Because, I mean, the crop isn't, there's no crop up here this year.
So we're pretty well financially strapped right now.
Yeah, and I've talked with so many in the same situation.
But he said to me, you know, maybe by at least sharing what's happened to me, that some other farmers will feel like that they can also come forward.
And maybe if we all started talking about what's happening, we might be able to change things.
At least I'm hoping that by being able to share these reports like this from this Canadian farmer, that we can help other people feel more confident about reporting such things as animal mutilations or unusual deaths and possible associations with light.
Yeah, and if anyone in Montana, North Dakota, the Great Lakes, or other areas along the U.S.-Canadian border who is here at Greenland have had any similar incidents occur on their ranches or farms or know anyone who has, I would really appreciate them contacting me if possible by mail at Post Office Box 538 in Huntingdon Valley, Pennsylvania.
And the zip code is 19006.
Again, that's Post Office Box 538 in Huntingdon Valley, Pennsylvania.
ZIP code 19006.
And Art, for information about books and videos now, I have a toll-free 800 number, and that is 800-707-9993.
Again, that's 800-707-9993 for information about books and videos.
And the East of the Rockies line is the only one they're not given.
It is 1-800-825-5033.
1-800-8255-033.
Now, 09.
Now, I'm going to read you the back of Nano Dreams.
This is Elton's book.
Listen to this and let your hair stand on end.
Nano Dreams.
Welcome to the world of the microminiaturized future where all things are possible, but only human wisdom stands between us and unspeakable disaster.
Nanodreams.
Virus-sized self that can fabricate a ship from seawater, eliminate disease, reverse aging, and increase human intelligence.
But devices that can create anything from anything and are too small to detect are of necessity, of course, a two-edged sword.
So in your future, imagine nano-nightmares.
Microscopic assassins that self-replicate like a plague as they skip from body to body, searching for that one special victim or racial Type.
Devices that physically invade high-security computers and hack them into little data bits.
Nanomachines that go anywhere, do anything, and have no mercy.
Pretty chilling stuff, huh?
Elton Elliott.
He is a graduate of Willamette University class of 1980, lives in Kaiser, Oregon, with an ever-expanding family of computers.
He is many, many times published.
His stories have been nominated for the Nebula Award.
Dr. Gregory Benford in the science column of, in the May 1995 issue of the magazine of fantasy and science fiction, called his anthology Nano Dreams, a good example of firm thinking.
We'll find out what he's published as we go to him now.
I will begin at the beginning, and what I'm going to do is I'm going to read a direct quote from an author by the name of Eric Drexler.
And he's not just an author, he's also a scientist.
He was awarded the world's first PhD, as a matter of fact, in nanotechnology from MIT.
And he is the person who coined the term nanotechnology.
He also writes the introduction to nanodreens.
And his definition in his groundbreaking book, Indians of Creation, is definition, technology based on the manipulation of individual atoms and molecules to build structures to complex atomic specifications.
And how I would describe that for lay people in the audience would be as follows.
Up until now, our technology has essentially been bulk technology.
To create the telephone that I'm talking to you on, we take various types of, various types of plastics, various types of metals, other things, we heat them, we chop them, we combine them together, and we create objects of use.
And what he's up to is correlating data on Halebaugh, the comet.
And, of course, we're going to talk to him as well about a whole bunch of other things, including these new photographs we've got and the photographs and the alien autopsy.
So there's a lot for Mr. Hoagland to comment on.
And the answer is soon.
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Fantastic.
Another quick question.
Is there a way to monitor what he's doing over the internet?
I've had Richard explain it to me a number of times, and I can't tell you that I fully grasped it.
I've got sort of an outline of an idea of what he's talking about, but fully know.
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Yeah, the last time he had him on the air, he spent a lot of time discussing his problems that he's having with our government and trying to get information and trying to get things done.
But he didn't spend a whole lot of time discussing hyperdimensional physics, and I was just hoping that next time he would.
Well, we'll see what we can do, whether he can bring it down to, it's very difficult to bring it down, a very complex subject, to the level that a relative layman can understand.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
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Yes, sir.
I was wondering when Mr. Shell, you said you were going to get him back on the air to interview him again after he talked to the photographer?
He will talk to the photographer and either give us secondhand or give us access to the photographer or give us a recorded interview from the photographer, and I have no way of knowing what he's going to do.
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These pictures you say you received from this anonymous contributor, does the pictures by chance show the part that Mr. Schell was talking about that was in these other films, the portion that shows the communication receiver?
Yeah, the box with the imprint for the control panel using six fingers.
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No, you mentioned that there was like a communication satellite or something that was separate from the ship that was supposed to have been attached to the ship.
And again, because this is so fresh and so immediate, I want to take a second out to tell you.
As soon as I'm off the air, and I'm about to be off the air, I'm going to quickly arrange to send these photographs to the bulletin board, and John Byron, he is going to get them up there immediately for you.
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As you say, from bulk to get something smaller and functional, a machine, nanotechnology starts at the bottom at the molecular level and builds up.
Nanotechnology may not be, we may not do it exactly the way that nature does it, but we know that molecular technology, which is really what this is, another term for it, molecular nanotechnology, we know that it works because nature already does it.
That's a key factor.
And that's one of the things that a lot of people miss when they first hear about this technology.
So therefore, once you get accustomed to the notion of, shall we say, operating from a program, for instance, you could take, and let's talk about a house.
Our houses today are remarkably inefficient.
I mean, they're nice caves.
They protect us from the elements, but at tremendous cost.
How about the notion of smart bricks?
The notion of bricks pre-programmed, for instance, to in the summertime, in the coolness of the evening, to let the cool air in, to open their pores, in the middle of the day when it's hot, to close their pores.
I would say it's the difference between hardware and software.
Hardware, once again, is both technology, but a software program and a computer is actually, as far as I'm concerned, the first beginnings of the notion of molecular technology happened with computer software.
And yes, indeed, one of the things they are talking about are very, very small machines Inside the human body, going through the human body.
I don't know if these are things that are permanently in there or if you take an occasional drink, say, for instance, and put them in.
But you can imagine very, very, very small, tiny molecular machines with an onboard computer that, say, use the glucose in the bloodstream for an energy supply, that use the flagellum like a bacteria to motor through the body.
They're very small, so the smallest capillary that you have in your body to these machines is like a 128-lane freeway.
And they go through and they check for anything that shouldn't be there.
And do we have any way of knowing, this is just a shot-in-the-dark question, Elton, but do we have any way of knowing really what the state of the art is right now?
In other words, I'm sure that if Elton T. Elliott can come on here and talk about it, our government, other governments, are way deep into it, far into it, and secretly so.
Actually, what's really fascinating about this technology is how it's snuck up on everybody, or at least the possibilities of this technology.
The one key thing about nanotechnology is it isn't science.
It's engineering.
I mean, the difference is that it's engineering in the sense that it breaks no physical law, so it's just a matter of learning how to do it, as opposed to, say, discovering a whole new scientific theory.
Because of that, oftentimes it is considered, oftentimes it's simply dismissed by engineers, because after all, they deal with things that they can build.
And to a certain extent, until recently, in the scientific community, it received the same type of dismissal.
That has changed in the 1990s.
As a matter of fact, toward the end of the Bush administration, Dr. Drexler briefed the CIA.
He briefed all sorts of top government agencies about this.
And indeed, there were several major generals that were stunned by the military implications and stunned by the fact that nobody knew anything about it.
This is something where the scientists and the thinkers have really been ahead of, or in this case, Eric Drexer and people like him, theoretical engineers, have really been ahead of everybody.
Including, I might add, the science fiction writers.
We do know that there were, I mean, I know, for instance, the scientists at Boeing were considering stuff like this back in the early 1980s, which they called cellular automata.
I know that the Japanese right now are spending $200 million a year on nanometer scale types of scientific efforts.
In the case of Germany, in Europe, I've heard that it's around $100 million a year.
Outside of Tokyo, in Japan, there's a 40-foot, 40-story tall building that is devoted to nothing but nanotech research.
So I know foreign governments are doing it and doing it almost in a crash program.
And as for the United States, it looks like in this case, I think we're behind the curve.
technology should be developed out in the open and we should have free information exchange and what have you i will say right now I mean, that ignores all of human history, including the atomic bomb.
And you can do it a lot faster than you can, say, through a normal computer.
At the same time, Intel has just sold the Sandia National Laboratories the first computer capable of making teraplop operations, which is a trillion calculations per second.
The government is paying Intel $25 million to build it.
That will compute a trillion operations per second.
What it is, actually, is using the new Pentium Pro chip, and it's going to simply take and align around 10,000 of these chips in a parallel processing alignment.
Atom has been designed by scientists at AT ⁇ T, and I believe it's being held together, if I'm not mistaken, by an electronic, I mean electromagnetic bottle.
And the atom in question, okay, I'm quoting now from Ed Regis' book Nano.
The atom in question was actually an empty space within a gallium arsenide crystal to which electrons could be moved one at a time by the application of a light magnetic pulse.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elton Elliott.
Where are you, please?
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St. Louis.
T-Man.
Hi, Ari.
Elton, could an implanted computer chip change our thought processes and to become maybe politically correct like the government would like us all to be?
I mean, that's an extremely scary piece of speculation.
I certainly hope not.
I will say, however, that what fascinates me is the crudity with which most so-called alien implantation devices that you read about in the UFO technology, how crude they are compared to nanotech.
I mean, you know, if this is an advanced alien civilization, it seems like they've had a long time to come up with something better than what we've seen.
I would think that should be one of the major areas of research once we come up with an effective molecular assembly breakthrough.
Would be simply to go through and determine where that virus is in the body, what the damaging effects it's doing on the cells, and simply stop that process.
This is one of the areas where the Human Genome Project is going to help because it's going to give us a genetic blueprint of the body.
I do want to welcome again, because I think they joined in the third hour, KSYG in Little Rock, Arkansas.
If you're just catching us, this is the third of three hours.
And to get the whole show, you'd want to give your station there in Little Rock a call.
Just one joining, Little Rock, joining 150 other affiliates.
This is Dreamland.
It is a program dedicated to discussions about things that, as I say in my little piece at the beginning of the program, are not so easily or neatly put in a box.
And nanotechnology definitely is in that category.
So all I can tell you is let your mind rest, listen carefully, and open up and receive what we're sending because this is very important stuff.
You don't have to put up with it.
What am I talking about?
Hard, foul, water.
That's right.
Hard water gets into everything, fouls it up.
You know what I mean?
The white, scaly stuff.
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Our society, the way we see it, is so dysfunctional as it is.
We are overlung with information.
Now comes nanoscience.
I mean, we challenging creation, and I have a feeling we're going to lose sick time.
Now, Elliot, I'm going to tell you something.
You may reject it or catch it.
For over 40 years now, abductees and various key people have taken space rides with recall UFOs.
It has been reported from many sources, that's global-white, that the hull of the spacecraft totally become transparent, totally invisible.
Now, remember the smart bricks with the sunset?
It looks like ET is already working with nanoscience.
I really like the way you explained it in the beginning.
Mankind for all these years has been taking big things and, in effect, whittling them down to make functional, smaller machines that work, big to small.
Well, one of the things, and if you talk about big things, one of the things that you could make with nanotechnology ultimately is, let's say, what I would term a large worldlet, which would be, say, something the size of North America.
You go out into the asteroid belt, whether the one between Mars and Jupiter, the one between Jupiter and Saturn, and take several of the asteroids and essentially, with a lot of nanomachines and create a worldlet, something the size of North America.
Make it mobile with capabilities of taking large magnetic bottles with certain types of mass and forcing it down.
You might be able to create an artificial fun.
And then, you know, essentially travel places.
That's one of the things that the human species has a desire for travel, a desire for expansion, particularly when you go from a culture of death to a culture of life.
When I said that a photograph of a sunset is not a sunset, it's an image of something.
And absolutely, our minds don't necessarily operate on on-off switches.
And of course, on the other hand, with the new work in DNA computers, and if you really want to look at it, which don't operate on on-off, but operate off of the four amino acid bases that's in DNA, if you look at DNA, DNA is, in a sense, the computer that runs our bodies.
And this entire thing, you know, when you talk about creating, when you talk about creating life, and one of the concerns that I have, and I come from a background, my parents were very, very Christian.
So I come from a very strong Christian background.
And I would say for those out there who are Christians, you know, if considering what I've said about this is the last generation of humans that are going to be the last generation that's going to be recognizably human, then it kind of puts a timetable for the second Advent, if you believe that.
No, no, absolutely not, because that's along the notions that life is limited to the earth.
And it's manifestly not.
I mean, if not life, certainly at least living space.
I think you could very easily foresee human beings going.
I mean, as soon as nanotechnology develops, various human beings that want to go elsewhere in the universe, whether, you know, for the same reason that the pilgrims and others went to America, you could have people, I mean, you could see an entire sphere or globe of humanity spreading outward into the galaxy.
Okay, well, these are spacecraft that essentially have...
I mean, there was kind of a notion of this, a rather crude notion of this in Star Trek with a race of robots called the Borg, or half robot, half organic.
And in this case, though, in this case, it's far more subtle.
But it would be something that would essentially be self-repairing so that when you go in space at speeds near the speed of light, I mean, very, very, very small particle, I mean, very, very small pieces of matter near the speed of light can do tremendous damage to any craft.
So consequently, you're going to have to have capabilities of repairing yourself.
You're going to have to have capabilities of generating electromagnetic fields and all these sorts of things if you're going to travel in space in a safe fashion.
This is one of the reasons why Eric Drexler, when he first came up with these notions back in the early 70s, I mean, he actually tried, I mean, 20 years ago, I came up with some of these ideas.
He actually sat on them for a while until it was obvious that other people began to develop some of this stuff.
And then he tried to get out in front by essentially creating institutes like the Forset Institute and others to bring some of these policy issues to the forefront.
The way that we begin thinking about moral issues is to begin thinking about them.
Yes, absolutely, according to articles in the New York Times and the Portland, Oregonian, precisely because the computer is being designed at Intel's headquarters up here in Oregon, not too far from where I live.
Yeah, I think it's really fascinating that a company as wealthy as Intel, and you talk about corporate wealth.
Well, I guess that's just a little nano-humor, right?
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You know, for instance, well, for instance, in the biotechnology field, before the nanotechnology could do anything, they have to figure out how the cell works in the first place.
And they're no closer to doing that now than they were 10 years ago.
That's why those of us that have watched this field, and we've seen everything that's leading toward this, one of the things we're talking about is taking a scanning tunneling microscope, which is what IBM used to spell out atomically their name in that experiment they did a couple years ago.
And they spelled it out with 35 individual xenon atoms.
And they used a scanning tunneling microscope.
Well, since they've, I mean, there's talk about putting, you know, about essentially miniaturizing STMs, putting a whole bunch of them on a scanning tunneling microscope.
Okay, and miniaturizing STMs, putting a whole bunch of them on a chip.
Now, if you've got a whole bunch of those things able to manipulate individual atoms, and if at the same time you have a computer which is capable of doing a trillion operations per second, then you immediately have some phenomenal capabilities right there by just meeting those two.
And the other thing is that this computer technology, in terms of it as a driving force for nanotech, I mean, they're getting a trillion operations per second just by putting 10,000 of these computers in parallel.
What happens if you put a million of them together?
On the wildcard line, you're on the air with Elton Elliott.
Hi.
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Hi, Dang Dong.
It's Mr. Bell.
It's Pete in Portland.
Hello, Elliot.
Hello?
Yeah, like the man was saying, if we want to learn about the cell, we can build little nanobots, use them like Isaac Asimov's Fantastic Voyage, and put them inside the cell to monitor exactly what is going on, when, and how, and have them communicate with a teraflop computer outside.
Yeah, you know, I really almost wish that I believed, as that one somewhat nano-critical caller of a few moments ago believed, I think that those who presently are into computers and have even some basic understanding of what's being done right now with the current technology,
the Pendium chip, those people are able then to make the leap more easily and understand what it is you're talking about and the unavoidable reality of it, I think.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elton Elliott.
And that's, I mean, because these machines are going to be operating literally on those levels, if not smaller.
And so consequently, it, I mean, remember for somebody at one time talked and said, well, how are you going to necessarily lubricate some of these machines?
Because after all, for them, a dollop of oil is an ocean.
Well, the answer is that they're talking about phased array diamond structures, diamond-like structures, so that you structure them very, very precisely in very hard patterns so that they simply flow along.
That's involved with protein folding in chemistry, in physics, further miniaturization of things like scanning tuning microscopes, atomic force microscopes.
And the fact of the matter is, for all these people who are basically critics of this, all I can say is that because nanotechnology mimics nature, there is a certain inevitability to it.
It's the notion that you create that a machine accidentally runs a mock, and it essentially takes, oh, let's say, all carbon-based life forms, strips them down to their essential atoms, and just turns out goo.
And active shields would be ways of small molecular machines that would simply keep you safe from this stuff.
Keep you safe from grey gook, keep you safe from any type of invading molecular, in this case, normal viruses, normal bacteria, and any type of artificial virus or bacteria.
In other words, if you look at what's happened since we've been alive, say, with regard to our fathers and our grandfathers and so forth, the rate of change is just going nuts.
What they would be doing in the future, we would consider magic.
However, it would be based on technology.
The question is the moral dimension.
Do we have the wisdom?
Do we have the wisdom to do this?
I mean, for instance, if you develop nanotechnology, you have an economic monopoly, but if you go out there and you create smart bricks, how many people do you, you know, see you throw out of work?
well actually nanotechnology nanotechnology is developed makes money a thing of the past there wouldn't be absolutely You might have something along the lines of a British thermal unit, which would still have some meaning.
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The exact opposite of nano in this case is absolutely fresh flowers.
Because their shipment is humongous, gigantic, nothing nano about it.
If you want to absolutely blow away a female in your life, and it doesn't matter any female, they all react the same way.
Oh, there's an occasional abynormal female who will say, I hate flowers.
I've had one in all the years.
Otherwise, they love them.
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That includes delivery by FedEx next day during the week.
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And some flower preservative.
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Elden, a little while ago I said, bummer, and maybe I ought to be saying, thank God.
I wonder which it really is, that I may just miss this.
I wonder if it is going to turn into a nano-dream or a nano-nightmare.
It is up to us by making the public aware of this, by insisting that research be done openly, by insisting that secrecy be a thing of the past, anything that is going to change our behavior, I mean anything that's going to change, excuse me, anything that's going to change ourselves as much as nanotechnology will, we're going to have to change our behavior to adapt to it.
And of course, that opens up a whole other can of worms.
And that involves the social ramifications.
I mean, if, for instance, one of the big arguments that's been made, the reason why the government may be covering up things in, you know, various and sundry places, dealing with what the guest at the top of your show talked about, one of those reasons might be simply they're concerned about these social ramifications, about social dislocation.
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Well, one of the things that over the years, science fiction writers, which is one of the things that I do besides consulting on business, one of the things that the science fiction writers do is they write about the future.
And the future has been a fairly comfortable place to write about, essentially, and to set stories in, because there was kind of a consensus future.
You know, you'd have space flights, you'd go out into the galaxy, you'd form empires or big types of governments, and they'd collapse, and then they'd come back, and then maybe eventually, way down the line, you'd meet up with God or something like that.
This was a consensus future.
Well, nanotechnology has essentially stripped that aside, and it's stripped it aside in one way, and that is that nanotechnology offers possibilities in terms of altering the human brain.
Capabilities, for instance, of directly putting a very, very, say, something the size of a sugar cube or smaller that would contain, for instance, the entire Library of Congress and putting it in our heads.
Giving us access.
I mean, wouldn't you like to be a world-class mathematician or a world-class scientist or a world-class, you know, whatever that capability?
And if people think that this is, once again, if they think it's pie in the sky, recent research has been done, which has directly linked computer chips up with leech neurons.
In the past, the only way you could do this is by electrodes, which caused all sorts of problems in terms of corrosion, electrical damage to the biological systems.
And they've now discovered a way to circumvent this.
Well, what you have is you have a future in which science fiction writers are in big trouble because we write characters that are knowable to the audiences today.
And how do you write logically about a character like that who's smarter than you are?
If you can make, if you could get the blind to see, then you could take somebody like me, and you could put something in the optic nerve that would allow me to see in the infrared spectrum.
Or we could have something that would allow you to see into the infrared, into the ultraviolet, I would presume, all along the electromagnetic spectrum.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
You would be, for instance, in terms of information, in terms of information transfer, you take something that's directly connected to your mind, have that piece of information leave your brain, have it disassembled, have it travel at light speed to another part of the, say, of the galaxy even.
Have it reassembled, correlate information, come back to your mind.
How far might we be, Elton, from, and this is the analogy I used last week, I can take information on my hard drive and transfer it in a very short amount of time to another hard drive.
That's a massive amount of information.
What would stop us eventually from taking the contents of the human mind and in essence copying them?
Would they have Let's say that you're out at the beach and you take a picture of a particularly spectacular sunset.
You don't have the sunset.
You have an image of the sunset.
If they take your mind and they put it into a machine, they may not have you.
They may not have you.
There may be something about the human body that we don't know about.
There may be something, in other words, you may need, this is why I keep talking about augmenting our own bodies because our minds may need our bodies in ways that we don't understand.
And that's something this research is going to tell.
The question is, I mean, if you can augment your body and essentially have virtual immortality, you don't have to worry about, I mean, essentially your body's going to become a machine anyway.
Gee, maybe we'll be looking back at these as the good old days, back when we had social problems, and every now and then somebody got killed by a gang or something or another.
This is Jerry in Alturas, California, listening program.
Hi, Jerry.
One of the things I was wondering listening to this nanotechnology is very interesting to me.
I got to thinking about all of the new viruses that are showing up like Ebola and those strains of viruses.
And I was kind of wondering, since they haven't been able to find the host or the source of these viruses, if it might not be one of these nanotechnology experiments gone alright.
Okay, I really think this is one that I can answer authoritatively.
Most of the people that came up with the original notions of nanotechnology, most of it came from the, I mean, codifying all of these various notions came from the brain of one person, Eric Drexler.
Okay, and Eric Drexler, although I never met him in high school, he and I went to the same, went to high school near each other in the Mid-Willamette Valley in Oregon.
I mean, I know Eric Drexler.
I've sat down, I've eaten with him, he's human.
Okay, I mean, the people that came up with this know this is not something that is reversely engineered alien technology or anything like that.
How can you account for the rapidly increasing technological revolution, the pace of it, how can you account for that when all of previous human history plotted there was intervention?
It might be reasonable to speculate that there's intervention.
As a matter of fact, what was it?
Daniel says knowledge shall be increased, men shall run to and fro.
I think that's biblical.
So that notion has been around for a long time, yeah.
But as for specific, as for the notion that this specific technology is it, I mean, the first major conference that was held on the West Coast, Nanocon 1, which was February of 1989, I was present with a whole bunch of other people.
This is about, within about a year prior to that, is when I first became aware of this technology and other possibilities.
And I will tell you, it had an incredible impact on me.
It had just absolutely, I knew this was the future.
There was an instinctive understanding there.
Now, could that sort of instinctive understanding be implanted somehow, just out there in the ether somehow by aliens?
It reminds me, I'm reminded of the obelisk, of the obelisk.
And I too, there's no way to know.
This is utter speculation where this technology came from.
Easily could be the mind of man.
It's just that, gee, we sure have done this quickly.
And again, I must wonder on the edge of this kind of technology, whether these are the last great days, whether the future is going to be there at all.
And it's going to depend on how man handles this technology.
And I have this sour feeling we're not quite ready.
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If you think the Earth is alive, then the next question is, what is thinking?
That's the point where those with an agenda wrap it up in a nice, easy-to-swallow package that the mere mortal who is terribly ill-equipped to ever understand it all thinks to himself, yeah, that'd explain it.
Yeah, the Earth is alive.
Fortunately, other than the Native American, most of the proponents of the Living Earth idea always seem to be environmental crusaders on a mission to stop the use of Earth's resources for anything but sustaining a controlled population with technology slightly above that of cavemen.
The Native American is a pure hypocrite and a perfect example of what happens when you put your trust in myth.
He goes on to talk about some particular Indian tribe that exploited and polluted the environment until they became extinct.
So he says, the next time you have a guest who says the earth is alive, be that nut and bolts kind of guy you are and ask for something more substantial, like proof.
Not some sorry excuse like cultures around the world throughout history believe the earth is alive.
They also thought it was flat, or that the sun was carried across the sky by chariots.
If you're afraid to ruffle the feathers of an invited guest, let me ask the tough questions.
You can't be held responsible for callers' inquisition.
Besides, when a question demands an answer, like you say on Dreamland, don't these answers demand to be proven before we are to believe them?
And that was from Steve of Santa Barbara.
So, I thought that you guys ought to hear that before Robert Morningstar does.
And indeed, I will let him answer this.
In the meantime, some of you might want to get a shot in.
So there you've got it.
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