Stan Deyo, a former Air Force Academy cadet (class of 1967), claims classified U.S. research since the 1950s developed gravity-bending saucer tech using ionized plasmas and pulsed magnetic fields, with projects halted in 1958. He links NASA’s CWIF satellite anomalies—heat patterns near Mexico, Florida, and Japan—to seismic risks, predicting global earthquakes by 1996, while tying solar shifts to biblical prophecies. Meanwhile, Pat from New Orleans warns of ozone depletion (10% over North America) caused by CFCs, not volcanic emissions, despite skepticism. Bell debates NATO’s Bosnia deployment as a "no-win" ethnic quagmire, contrasts it with U.S. values, and highlights recent disasters—7.2-magnitude Mexico quake, Hurricane Marilyn—while dismissing alien autopsy claims as unproven but credible. The episode blends fringe tech theories, environmental warnings, and geopolitical skepticism, questioning official narratives and hidden agendas. [Automatically generated summary]
The page, the print, and the color photographs are all done in gloss.
And so here it is.
Here's the offer.
And this, believe me, is only going to go to the first 1,000 people because I'm not signing any more than that.
But the first 1,000 people who order, and we have no telephone number for you to order, I'm going to give you an address.
And you need to send a check or money order for $24.95 each, you know, for each book you would like, plus $4 shipping and handling.
You know, I ought to just add that and make it $28.95.
It's a lot easier so that people don't have to do the arithmetic.
It's $28.95, and that includes shipping and handling.
So that'll make it easier.
Now, this is just an offering to some of you who want the book right away and want an autographed copy of the book.
Otherwise, not to worry.
There will be an 800 number available for credit card purchases sometime after October 6th.
This is just a very special sort of first group offering, all right?
Only the first 1,000.
And so speed obviously is of the essence.
And if, in other words, if you become 1,001 or 2 or 3, and it's going to go very quickly through 1,000, obviously, you're not going to get an autographed copy.
So I'm going to be stressing this tonight.
Now, I want to read you something because I'm going to do something a little different here in a moment, maybe.
I got, thank God for the internet, I got a very interesting facts from a fellow named Stan Dale, I think it's Dale, all the way down in Perth, Australia.
That's something about the internet, it's everywhere.
And here's what he said.
Art, my home is too far away to receive your program.
I'm in Perth, Australia.
But my brother in Tacoma, Washington speaks very highly of your show and your methods of exploring the data you encounter.
I was recruited by Edward Teller's man, Dr. James R. Maxfield, in Dallas in 1971.
This took me to Australia to continue my research into advanced propulsion systems for aircraft and spacecraft.
Not long into the program, I disagreed Violently with the cover-up of our findings and developments, which I knew could have greatly benefited mankind.
I was not at Roswell.
I have never seen an alien, to my knowledge.
However, I have been involved in advanced research projects which would explain a lot of the so-called UFOs around the planet.
We've had over 50 R ⁇ D programs, black, since the mid-50s that were set up to make circular winged aircraft and spacecraft.
The former worked on ionized plasmas of CO2 seeded nitrogen envelopes in dynamic motion around and through the core of a disc-shaped craft.
The latter used a form of pulsed toroidal magnetic fields to move the craft in space, water, or air.
I have seen the inside of one of our own toroidal craft in an assembly area in the desert.
There have been numerous test areas that operated under NATO banners and others.
One was in Saudi Arabia and was called, and I can't make out the name of it, west of the Persian Gulf and in Bahrain as well.
I've always known enough to be dangerous to the several factions involved in the use and cover-up of the technology and the alien scenario.
Fortunately, someone in these factions has spared me in exile here in the most remote city on Earth.
I do not know how much more I can contribute to the revelation of the truth in these matters, which seem to occupy a great deal of the human consciousness in the Western world of late.
I was a cadet at the USAF Academy in Colorado, class of 67.
I held both secret and top-secret security clearances for our government.
There I was involved in a most unique mind training program, which is still classified above top-secret.
Believe me when I tell you that I encourage you in your search for the truth in these matters.
But I also caution you to ask yourself, what will you do when you find out?
Will you like the answer?
Will you wish you had not found out?
I sometimes wonder what it would be like to live life in a sort of oblivious, lemming-like pursuit of worldly stimula, not knowing what to do, not having seen the things I have seen, things which I cannot prove anymore, but things which are so bizarre that I marvel they have not leaked out in all this hype about the aliens in Area 51.
No one seems to have realized the real UFO research areas are not accessible by laypersons.
They're under lakes, under bodies, and under the planet's poles in underground facilities.
Some are here in Australia, in the middle of nowhere, at Pine Gap, underground, and in South Africa.
But the most sensitive ones are at the South Pole.
Teller's group used to control most of these until another faction grabbed control of the international groups.
Now, I found this to be fascinating, and so you know me.
I picked up the telephone and called Australia.
That's right, I called Australia.
And in a moment, I'm going to try to pick up the phone and call Australia again.
No guarantees.
But I'm going to see if I can get Stan on the air for a little bit here and talk to us about what he knows.
What has banished him to Perth in the land down under?
Well, first of all, I went to the Air Force Academy as a cadet.
And while I was at the academy, I was inducted into a special black project, I suppose would be the best word to use, an intelligence project, which did teach me a lot of physics.
It is not mainline stuff.
When I left the academy, I went back to Dallas, Texas, where I was raised.
And a few years passed, and I did private research in developing a new kind of propulsion for aircraft that would, in essence, make a circular winged flying disc using a plasma, a moving plasma would serve as a wing.
Most aircraft have to race down a runway until they can get the relative airspeed up to the point that it lifts the craft off the ground, reducing the pressure over the top of the wing.
These kind of craft that I was designing did not have to have a runway.
They were like a vertical takeoff device that would whirl the air around them in a vortex, out the center and around and underneath.
And like a bumblebee, they would then lift into the air and Fly by pulling a vacuum in front of them.
They were pushed their way through the air.
They could go very fast, somewhat like a smoke ring at 20,000 miles an hour.
Well, what I was doing was in my own private lab at home, a lot of mathematics and some electronics tests.
I never really figured out how they knew exactly what I was doing, but Teller and Maxfield's people from Lawrence Livermore approached me privately and knew everything I was doing.
They had been there and done that in the mid-50s, a long time before me.
Now, the craft that you're describing, that you say that we have, are exactly the craft that are being seen all over the world and are being called, frankly, flying saucers.
Would it be your contention or belief that most, if not all of these, belong to us?
Before 1952, I don't believe that any decidings or contacts were ours or were man-made.
After that, yes, a great deal of it.
But in 1958, worldwide research in over 100 companies and universities across the planet working in those propulsion systems and publishing, I might add, in the trade journals, electronics journals, and aerodynamics journals, stopped.
Stopped publishing in the same month all across the world as though some invisible hand had put a muzzle on them, not just the U.S. government.
It went across national boundaries.
And after that, public information was about Zilch on electrogravitic propulsion or anti-gravity.
When I first started this, I was designing an aircraft which used air that had been slightly heated in temperature, well, heated a lot, and had electric current running through it over the top of the saucer shape, and this caused the air to move in a tight pattern around the craft and up to the core and swirl like a bumblebee.
It's like instead of having a propeller, you have electrons moving the air around the craft.
Now, that's an aircraft.
Later developments, or in fact the earlier developments I didn't know about at the time, in the U.S. research had developed some very complex toroidal coils, ring-shaped, smoke-ring-shaped flat coils.
They look somewhat like the Pharaoh's headband, if you can remember that, where they've got the little stripes running around the headband of the Pharaoh's little ring that he used to wear on his head.
Anyway, these craft did use a very complex interactive pulse electric current and magnetic field, and they generated an effect that would, in effect, bend gravity.
Now, I didn't develop those.
I came along afterwards.
I did see photographs and had it explained to me in the assembly area.
But basically, what happens is they can use a very small power source and pulse it at the frequency that is just right for the circuit they've designed in the craft.
And it will store up energy in the form of moving magnetic field and current, which switches from one circuit to another at right angles.
You know, Stan, I've got to stop you here for a second.
You know, what you're describing sounds remarkably like what was described to me in simpler technical terms with regard to that old famous Philadelphia experiment.
I've, of course, interviewed Al Bielick many times.
And what he talked about is fairly close to what I seem to be getting from you.
As I said to you in the letter, Dr. Frederick Tatford, Tom Kennedy Commission in London, contacted me a couple years back.
He was a friend of Einstein.
And he and Dr. Einstein had discussed the Philadelphia experiment and implications of it.
And they wanted, well, he was dead by that time, but then Dr. Tadford said to me, I would like for you to explain to me what you think happened, and I will, within the boundaries of what I'm allowed to tell you, confirm it, which I did do, and he confirmed that I had understood the process correctly.
Well, I've always thought that it would be impossible, even if everything about the Philadelphia experiment were true and men caught between decks and all the horrible things that we heard about, that they would just drop the technology and quit investigating.
That seemed impossible, and what you're telling us is they didn't.
Well, Art, you sound kind of like I did back in 1973 or 74 down here when I really got cranky with the fellows that I work for here in that area because I said to them the very same thing.
Why aren't we sharing this?
There are people that need this technology to survive.
Hundreds of millions of people need it.
And they kind of told me that I didn't understand the situation about the factions, the groups that are buying for control of the entire planet, and that they couldn't just release this because it would create havoc and precipitate wars.
I didn't buy it, and that's where we parted company in very unfriendly terms.
I wanted to make it public, which I have certainly started doing, and they didn't.
Believe me, there's no way you run from some of the crowds if they want to get you.
It's because there are factions, fighting factions, and some of them are covering me at the moment that I'm quite unassailed by all this.
Where to start?
Well, let me put it this way.
We have technology to make and have made flying saucers.
That's the simplest way to say it.
They are saucer-shaped.
Some of them are triangular with kind of rounded corners.
The Aurora projects that everyone thinks are so secret and wonderful are Nifty, but they are 10 to 12 years out of date.
Certainly, you couldn't possibly believe that they would let something like that leak out like this unless it were out of date.
I mean, even the model makers are selling models of the Aurora secret craft.
But they used portions of technology that were used a long time ago in building the first saucer craft.
And the portions are like high-voltage charges on the fuel screen and on the wings, up over definitely up over 20,000 volts, and in some cases, probably point voltages of 15 million.
And they used barium titanate shields on them.
These things are old technology.
The newer craft are being controlled by groups.
I couldn't even begin to tell you the names of the current controllers.
But in my day, the United States and Great Britain still had a fairly hard control over where this technology was going.
We had bases in Norway, we had them in Jabal Tawak and Saudi Arabia, west of Bahrain, all underground.
We had research being done here at Pine Gap in the center of Australia, and another one which is called the Star Trek of the North in the Kimberley regions of the mountains of northern Australia.
We had them down to the South Pole.
Dr. Maxfield in Dallas showed me photographs taken in their submarine trips down there to reach the bases.
Some of these bases where the really good stuff has gone on is just totally inaccessible by you as a civilian.
The ones that I actually designed and drew papers up for the Aeronautical Research Group was an aircraft that superheated air.
It was slow starting.
It would throw the air up out a hole in the middle of the saucer shape like a donut, splash it around the surface down underneath and recirculate the air, as I say, like a bumblebee spinning or like a smoke ring.
And we would inject a 6% CO2 solution in a nitrogen gas envelope in the center of that.
And that's how we would start it and make it an electric plasma like it's in fluorescent lights.
And that's why they glow, or those types of.
That's what I was working on because I had not come to the level yet of these pulse magnetic field craft.
I was shown the other stuff.
And certainly we have craft that fly using technology very similar, as you pointed out, to the Philadelphia radar shield experiment.
I have tried these things.
I've tried to recreate them in my lab here and have proceeded to hurt myself, one of my staff, to the point that we are not going to do it for a while until we think we understand a couple of things a little bit better.
They produce this magnetic field that just, they hurt you.
Well, Art, there are some things that I do know about what is happening that are going, once you find them out, and I think you will, and a lot of other folks, you are going to find yourself very threatened in your lifestyle, very threatened, so much so that you may wish you hadn't found out.
I mean, you might just rather have lived in blissful ignorance rather than worry about what the implications of it are.
Well, he says much the same kind of thing, Stan, that you really ought to perhaps live your life day to day, enjoy your life, and there are some things that you'd be better off not knowing, and that is, in essence, what you are saying.
As I said to you, my concern is that in kind of good civic duty, some of the things that we might discuss might move some of your audience to do things that they shouldn't.
I mean, like silly things like stockpiling, hoarding, and dropping out.
And I wouldn't want that to happen.
It's difficult for me to figure out how to say it.
I cannot imagine anything you would say that would be more startling than some of the things John Lear has said or some of the things Gordon Michael Scallion has said regarding earth changes.
have so much to read that I glance at these newsletters, hit the high points, and put it in the stack with all the rest, and they kind of run together.
And if this series of quakes completes in the year 1995, he then predicts there will be a major catastrophic earth movement that will literally change the western map and do a lot more.
So when you say that you know things that would cause people to hoard or to drop out, I doubt that you could say anything that would be more shocking or cause people to go in that direction more than he has.
That is somewhat natural disasters, and there are a lot more of those in the area for asteroids and comets over the next 10 to 12 years that are probably equally as threatening, if not more.
Certainly what Gordon is saying, I agree in this respect.
I've been analyzing data from the NASA CWIF satellite, sea surface temperature satellites over the last year.
And there is a strange heat wave or heat pattern underneath the crust of the Earth's surface that has several hot spots.
And one of them is off Mexico and southern California, Baja California, another off Florida, in fact on both sides of Florida up near Georgia and on the east coast of Florida, all along the west coast of Europe to the Atlantic Ridge, the Mediterranean, and Japan is absolutely chalker blocked and in the Philippines.
All these areas are suffering intense crustal activity.
As to what is causing the temperature rise, we know that there are magma movements deep down in the surface, but I can't be positive enough about the cause and effect link to say that that's doing it.
All right, again, so that we might understand, you're, in essence, laying out some scientific evidence, you say, that backs up what Scallion says he sees.
So give it to me again, please.
What are you able to access that tells you that the magma is moving in this way?
Well, I've gone into the NASA, people that are on the internet, they can access this through NASA's webpage for CWIF, S-E-A-W-I-F.
In fact, they can do a search and find CWIF, and get into the CWIF color images for the planet.
Those are done fairly regularly each week.
And this is a color map of the temperature of the Earth's water surfaces, as done by their satellite and other data gathering services.
What you do is you take two of those photographs, and you use something like Photoshop, a photo processing program, and you subtract the two images to get the change in temperature, whether it be dropping or rising.
And that is how you make a differential thermograph of that, which is what we've been doing in our newsletter and various other email feeds that we supply, keeping an eye on it.
And by golly, you can see it.
There's just no question about it.
Big white splashes appear where the temperature is rising in these areas off the California coast, off the Aleutians.
And Japan, I tell you what, I wouldn't live there in a fit at the moment.
The heat spot is very concentrated under Japan, all the way into the Chinese coast.
And I would expect earthquakes and small tidal waves between now and December.
We are having here in America, in the Caribbean, one of the very worst hurricane seasons in all of recorded history.
You'd have to go back 60 or 70 years to find something equivalent, and it looks like, and it's still very early in the season, so something is going on with the weather.
I know Scientific American put out an article about the magma sheet rising in the Atlantic off the European coast.
And so there is a large heat influx there, or rise there.
And certainly in the Caribbean area, or Caribbean, there is a massive heat buildup underneath in the water.
Again, I assume that it is plasma activities deep down, you know, 500, 600 kilometers down.
I don't have enough data to be exact, but it is enough to convince me that when people like Scallion and some of the others start to see this, that there's something happening.
Understand that USGS is under a lot of pressure right now to be shut down.
In the height of all the earthquakes and volcanoes and terrible things that have been happening, with them doing so much research To help us predict earthquakes in California and Japan and whatever, the Congress, the U.S. Congress, has wanted to shut them down, has compromised instead and laid off hundreds and hundreds of USGS staff in the last month.
Now, I understand why, but a lot of people wouldn't.
USGS is a semi-public government arm, and there's another group that does monitoring called Shake Lady, S-H-A-K-E-L-A-D-Y, for the Defense Department, and they have infinitely better resources than USGS, but not available to the public.
This is one of the things that I'm very reluctant to discuss openly, but there's a lot of guys, a lot of scientists telling me we should, and I'm not sure I agree with them.
But if you knew, Art, a particular piece of real estate, large real estate piece, was going to suffer a lot of damage like this, it was going to impact property values, if not destroy them, commerce, industry, whatever, and you were the government, in wisdom, would you make a public announcement too early in the game and say to people, oh, look, you might die in the next year or two because this is going to happen, but stay there until we get things organized.
We'll let you know.
You couldn't do it.
It would be a mass exodus.
As it is, since Gordon has come out saying what he's saying, and he's so darned accurate, the property values in California have dropped.
They've dropped all along the west of the Rocky Mountains, except in Oregon and part of Washington State.
And for the life of me, I don't know why they don't drop there.
Because the volcanoes are two of them are on standby one alert at the moment.
Now, to recap very briefly, and we're going to have to, this is a man, Stan Dale, who says he was recruited by Edward Keller's man, Dr. James Maxfield, in Dallas in 1971, and went to Australia, did work on flying saucer craft, not theirs, not alien craft, but our craft, craft that we now have and use.
We've moved from that area, and we're going to retrench there a little bit, into some of the areas, well, actually, he gave me a paragraph here I asked him about, and it says, believe me when I tell you I encourage you in your search for the truth in these matters, but I caution you, ask yourself, what will you do when you find out?
Will you like the answer?
Will you wish you had not found out?
I sometimes wonder what it'd be like to live life in a sort of oblivious, lemming-like pursuit of worldly stimuli, not knowing what to do.
I asked him what that meant, and it seems to mean much the same thing that Gordon Michael Scallion has been saying.
Late news, an earthquake in Oklahoma as well.
You know about the 7.2 in Mexico, a very large quake.
Thank God, not many killed.
Now we find one, let me see, it was actually in Oklahoma, about 25 miles south of Medicine Lodge, Kansas, at 6.32 p.m.
I've been listening to you, and I'm on the Art Bell channel on the IRC radio chat, and one of your listeners in California has just signed on here by Satellite Link somehow or another, Riverside, California.
There's such a large new audience out there right now.
Tell them about the kind of craft we now have in our possession.
You believe, or actually I pushed you into it, that it began with the Philadelphia experiment, or at least that was the genesis of the technology that you then moved forward with.
And before we even get into that, let me ask You credential-wise, here is a question from Elaine who says, Would you ask your guest how was he able to start independent work immediately after graduating from the Air Force Academy?
Most people have a military obligation after graduation.
Well, tell her that I was in the class at 67, but there were 180 of us who resigned in a protest against the government interfering with our activities at the Academy in 1964.
I served four years after that in the Air Force Reserve at the Strategic Air Command Base at Fort Worth at Carswell, which meant that I could work in civilian life.
And so I had a real-world job in the computer industry.
I trained at IBM and then went into industry in Dallas.
Well, so then apparently they did find out that you were dabbling in technology that you say they were doing more than just dabbling in, and they brought you into their wing.
And by that, you do name names.
Dr. Maxfield, an associate of Edward Tellers.
Is that correct?
That's correct.
And tell the people one more time, if you would, in the best layman's terms that you can muster up, what kind of craft we have now.
Aircraft, which move the air electrically around the aircraft to make it suck itself forward, or electromagnetically, which uses electricity and magnetism in certain flowing patterns in and around and through the craft to make it move relative to gravity or to inertial fields.
The later craft, the electromagnetic one, yes, they can leave the atmosphere.
The ones I was designing were limited to atmospheric flight.
The later stuff that I was shown and later studied could do things that probably the Philadelphia experiment touched upon where you can actually gate between two areas in a very short space of time, almost like dimensional jumping.
Again, I'm not an expert in that area.
I only know what I saw in the assembly area and the papers that I was asked to read on the subject at that time.
As far as I can understand, it's in line with what Einstein was postulating, that we can have mass operating in the same area, but at different frequencies.
Certainly, light can be bent using these pulsed overlapping fields.
I've seen that myself in the lab.
Beyond that, I can only guess that it's something like the hyperspace jump that you see in the sci-fi channels or Star Trek or something like that, like a warp of space.
If that is the case, theoretically, even light is not a limit of velocity.
Now, here's a good question for you also by facts.
If we have the kind of technology that you are talking about, then, and we've been developing it generally since about the 50s, which is what I believe you said, why in the world did we engage in such an expensive, stupid space race to go to the moon and all the rest of that?
Understand, you have to justify or explain R ⁇ D in a lot of areas that we needed for our own technology.
If you have a bona fide space research program, what you do is you go out to various contractors and say to them, will you make this part or this box to do such and such?
You have these kind of feeds coming in, and we want these kind of feeds coming out.
Here are the parameters, go build it and send it to us at this place.
And so contractors can make things that can be used in both programs or in space research in general, never knowing what the final product looks like when they put it all together.
So it allows you to get a government or public budget for something that is really not in the open arena.
So you claim when we have ongoing black budgets and black projects that are dealing with and enhancing and continuing to build these craft that so many people see fly?
And I'm not sure whether it's purely because of my pushing or Stanton Freeman or John Leary and the rest.
Most of us know each other in this game as far as what information we've been releasing.
And we're concerned that it will come out in a manner that is not exactly true, but people will believe the lie.
I got to tell you, look, I'm a student of the Bible and Hebrew and things like that.
No particular religion.
I'm just a student of those things.
And certainly in the Genesis 6 account, there's a lot of discussion about off-worlders, sons of God, Nephilim, this kind of stuff, coming down to earth a long time ago and interacting, interbreeding with our people.
There are Sumerian records, there are Vedic records, there are Egyptian records.
You just can't really ignore them.
So from this particular aspect, I tend to study the Hebrew and Christian prophecies and those Tradamas and a few others that talk about things that could be happening now that we have scientific proof of, if you wish.
And so I tend to start thinking like maybe these prophecies are correct.
Possible, but look, I tend to believe that we have other beings here.
Understand before 1952, we didn't have these things, but we had reports of them.
I mean, there have been reports and sightings and contacts for hundreds of years in our history.
The crash in 1898, I think it was, in Texas of the UFO that hit the water tower in that small town and came down, these things would indicate that they've been here before we built them.
So he may have actually been back engineering some little critter's craft.
I don't know.
The biblical accounts and the Vedic accounts and the Sumerian accounts talk about humanoids with superpowers, so they look like us.
So you consider it possible there are others here, and yet at the same time, you're telling us straight out that we have this technology, we have these craft, we've had them for some time, and if not all, then a good bunch of the ones that people see fly, and I'm pretty well believing that people see these things because I've seen one myself.
Yes, I'm sorry to say I have.
I was almost afraid to admit it publicly, Stan, but I have seen it.
I saw a triangular craft that floated just above my head, and there's no mistaking.
Well, I don't know if it ever was, but certainly I do know that when we have a secret project, we don't hang a sign up and says, this is a secret project.
Please don't come in here or we'll shoot you.
I mean, you never even know it exists.
It could be like a bakery shop or a pigglywiggly delivery place, and you'd never know.
Scientifically, or at least analyzing data and trying to extrapolate it, I see that we are moving into extreme periods of earthquake and volcanic activity on the planet, things that we have not seen in a long, long, long time.
The United States is going to suffer a great deal in the West Coast, up the New Madrid fault line, and in Florida.
Europe is, North Africa, Northwest Africa, Spain, and the Mediterranean is also going to suffer a great deal of activity.
Japan is probably going to be hit the worst.
I can see the heat patterns building up under it on the satellite photos.
In my guess, and this is certainly just a guess, I'm not an expert there, I would say that in the immediate future, talking in months, we're going to see some earthquake activity in Japan that will be astounding.
I don't know when Scallion's forecast has put the great Japanese earthquakes, but certainly we have graphs here that show traditional periods of activity.
And there's one in mid-October, one in mid-November, one in late to mid-December, and then we skip over to January, mid-to-late January, and then a dead period for a while.
So I'm watching that area very closely for the next four months.
We're talking large dynamics here, planetary dynamics.
The Sun itself has done something rather strange.
And over the last five years, solar physicists have noticed new frequencies coming out of the Sun.
It emits characteristic frequencies all the time.
And one particular study has suggested that a couple of these higher frequencies are being absorbed by plankton, or phytoplankton in the ocean, or various other suspended solids in the ocean, and is causing abnormal heating.
This, in turn, breeds more of these phytoplankton and archaeobacteria and various other things that they're breeding, which absorbs more heat.
And then the water actually changes density when it gets hot.
And so you have cold water versus hot water densities, which is putting differential pressures on the surface of the earth, causing more earthquake stress.
Now this is from a Japanese paper on the subject in the last year.
So I look at these things and try to take the NASA data feed that we can get a hold of and build it into graphic pictures so that we can understand it at a glance.
I wish there was a way that we could show you that because I can certainly send it to you if you have some kind of a web page and you could share it with folks.
I was wondering, the craft that you're working on, do they, how do gravity A and gravity B waves correspond with the electromagnetic propulsion that you're talking about?
Is that one of the three vectors of overlapping magnetic fields is opened, and the other two cancel in two right-angle fields, which produces thrust in the Earth's field.
That's very simplified, but I hope that says something to you.
Well, I don't know that it said anything to me, but it sounds like if it's true, that somebody's going to come and see you pretty soon with a suit on, Stan.
I'm at the bottom of the hour, so hold on down under there.
All right?
That's San Deo in Perth, Australia.
We'll come back and do another half hour with your questions.
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Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 14, 1995.
Art, disregarding my history with the government and the flying disc research and all that kind of stuff, if you just start Back probably 18 years ago when I started researching why things were being covered up and what was really happening behind the scenes in the world in various areas, I came across some Christian folk and some Jewish folks, some rabbis and things that I studied with.
And what has amazed me over the last 18 years is that my scientific research has shown that it is very probable, almost immediately, that things that these prophecies have been talking about will be happening to our planet.
And to give you an example of this, what I'm going to tell you about, I can see happening from scientific evidence in our next decade sometime.
Massive earthquake increases in diverse places all over the planet.
A comet hitting the Earth in the oceans and polluting the water and a lot of the rivers around the area and killing a lot of sea life and marine travelers at the time.
The Earth actually rocking on its axis, possibly shifting its magnetic polar orientation at the moment.
The sun actually going dark either from a dark cloud or dust cloud coming in between it and us, or from the sun emitting particles in the solar wind, which is certainly okay at the moment, but could become unstable.
All of these things are mentioned in Christian and Nostradamus and various other prophecies, Mother Shipton in England, as you would have seen possibly if you read Nexus Magazine in the States.
I know, and believe me, Art, people can interpret scientifically data in about a zillion different ways.
I have tried to be as objective about it as I can.
I hate being labeled a prophet or something like that, but I cannot ignore the increase in all the disasters.
It has happened as we thought it would so far, and I'm concerned that people will not understand what the whole thing is about on the planet before it gets them.
That's why I wrote the books.
You know, I've tried to explain a lot more.
In fact, a lot of the questions that are being answered are asked over the air.
Our west coast is probably going to suffer a bit of water damage, possibly a fracture line almost down the middle of the country.
Certainly, I can see evidence of it on the stress charts.
The northeastern Australian area, up near the Indonesian islands and New Zealand and the Solomons, will suffer tidal wave or tsunami damage and possibly some quakes as this progresses, because that whole area is just terribly active.
All right, and so that we all understand how you're predicting this again, you're looking at charts that show you heating in places that you interpret to mean a magma shift is going on, a major magma shift.
I'm also analyzing USGS earthquake data from the United States Geophysical Service on a daily basis, and I have a way to present the data graphically that lets us see a little bit more of the patterns.
I think we're discussing it, but go ahead and explain to the audience.
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Go ahead.
Well, something I read that had your name on it as being the author of it, it was a booklet kind of a thing talking about the Masonic Order and those above the 33rd level.
And I have talked with a world traveler who has told me that the 34th and 35th are the ones who will come out and will take charge of things.
Karen, to start with, I don't recognize the article that you're saying.
I mean, certainly if it has my name on it, it doesn't necessarily mean I wrote it.
We have been finding a lot of stuff that people have been trying to write on my behalf floating around.
I am aware of the Masonic organizations around the planet, particularly the Grand Orient Lodge in Europe and their relationship to the so-called Illuminati or the New World Order.
Certainly, I still hold to that position, but the conflict I'm talking about is what in the Bible Belt we call the angelic conflict or the conflict up in the heavens out there amongst the beings that created us back in the Garden of Eden type experiment or courtroom or whatever.
If you look at the newspapers of the time in 1964, you'll see that 180 cadets resigned.
The first press release was that we were cheating on exams.
The U.S. government later recanted and admitted that we'd had a disciplinary disagreement with U.S. Air Force for becoming involved in cadet activities to the point of hypnosis.
And we had passed our final exams or like waived them because we refused to take them if they didn't get out of our affairs.
We resigned because we were tired of the Air Force being involved in our cadet activities to the point of hypnotizing us and using high-speed flash queuing and things which we didn't volunteer for.
There were a number of other issues as well, but this is what we resigned over, and there were members of all classes that resigned, and it was such a big scandal that they just swept under the carpet.
So after that, I didn't finish and get a degree.
I studied on my own bat wherever I was.
And certainly you are correct.
TRW was one of the contractors and may still be at Alice Springs at Pine Gap.
But it's a DARPA project that the Navy primarily controlled in the beginning with MHD stuff.
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Why would they work in Australia rather than the United States?
Well, because there's a lot of open space down here to do research and what we wanted to do, and there wasn't as much chance of running into people like there would be in the States.
There's just not many places, even Arizona, that are quite as isolated as we are down here.
An young question would be, you know, Saddam Hussein's dealings with France prior to the Gulf War, getting nuclear reactors, do you think he understands the relationship of southern France and then Jerusalem and has some insights into technologies that we may not want him to know?
And I want to ask Dan if he I know Lear has some feelings about a demonic aspect to this and Nario Hakawa seems to be heading in the same direction in terms of biblical prophecy.
And I wanted you to address specifically the relationship of the government's involvement with what might be that particular aspect first, and then second, whether there's a dual aspect to the otherworldliness of the situation.
If I understand correctly what you said, the government's participation in this is a very confusing one at the moment.
It is comprised of a lot of people of differing philosophies.
From the biblical aspect, there are a lot of us, including Nario, I think, that are seeing that the prophecies which speak of Babylon, the new Babylon of this age, does include the United States, if not particularly target the United States as the Babylon of this age, which is not a good thing because it tells people who are members of that community, of Babylon, to get out of it so they are not afflicted by the same judgments that are going to strike that land.
Now, again, this is interpreting prophecy and code from a long time ago.
We may be wrong, but that is where we're heading.
That government, our government, the U.S. government, may actually be in charge of the new Babylon, the confusion of this age.
So the second question, Art, can you remember the second question?
I certainly, I ran in this country when I broke with my controllers and, you know, grew a beard and used a couple of somewhat clever techniques to hide for a few months until I figured out how I was going to fight them.
And then I came out and I published names.
I name names without any question about it.
I named names and places and people.
And to this day, I've never heard from them.
They've gone to ground and tucked your tail between your legs because they don't want any publicity.
I don't have the map in front of me, but I would say in Mississippi it would be, from what I've seen on the USGS chart, certainly you can get it, it would be north of you, but the damage from the change of the course of the Mississippi may be the problem in the south.
Again, I'm not a prophet.
I'm just kind of estimating from where I see fault lines appearing up north of you there.
There's intense activity north of you, probably one state away, as I recall.
I hesitate to tell people to start packing their bags and moving.
I think it's time people kind of start looking at their spirituality and wonder what they do in the next life, because I don't think that there's going to be a lot of safe places on the planet.
So you, very much like John Lear, would advise people to enjoy your life, enjoy your families, and don't look too hard at what's ahead because you might not want to know.
Certainly I would advise you to enjoy your life and your families, but on the other hand, I would encourage you to give some thought that if such a thing, if it does happen in your lifetime, is there an afterlife?
Do we go on beyond this and explore this?
Certainly, you know, these are areas I've talked about in the magazine and in the books because I think it's important.
At this point, we cannot avoid what is coming.
We've got to look at whether we're going to live after we die.
There are things we haven't even begun to discuss about new money systems and things that I know are in place and are about to be put down on us across the planet that are, again, biblical prophecy.
And that is not a natural disaster.
That's a man-made catastrophe.
There are just so many things that make it unbearable if you don't have a life after this.
You may begin to learn that I'm not like other talk show hosts.
I do things that are different.
I concentrate not only on current events, world news, politics, but a lot of other things.
And I have a lot of curiosities and I follow them.
And this is yet another case of that.
This involves a man who sent me a, actually again, it was email yesterday.
And here's what he sent me.
I own an air conditioning business, and I've been trained in the effects of CFC venting.
I tried desperately to get hold of you this morning, but was unsuccessful due to the 800 lines crashing.
Yeah.
That's another subject we'll cover.
Please call me tonight at blah, blah, blah, between 11 and 3 Central Time, and I'd be elated to fill in my fellow listeners on the facts concerning the hole in the ozone layer.
This is a very serious problem, and it needs to be addressed with high regards.
Well, a lot of conservatives, I am not one of them, incidentally, think that the whole ozone layer thing is a bunch of absolute horse elimination and that there is no, well, there is a hole in the ozone, but it's no big deal.
Now, the other day, the UN, through U.S. satellite imagery, detected the hole over the Antarctic to be the size, they said, of Europe.
We then got a report saying that the ozone depletion over the U.S. since the mid-1950s is 10%.
That, if true, is really serious.
Now, I know that a lot of you out there think it's a bunch of bunk.
Let's talk to somebody in the business and see what he thinks.
So here he comes.
His name is Pat.
Pat, do you want to give your last name on the air?
Do you believe them when they say the size of the measured size of the hole above the Antarctic is the size of Europe bigger than ever previously been measured?
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Without a doubt, and it's only going to get bigger.
What is the best evidence that would suggest that you've learned that CFCs are the culprit?
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Well, the way they do it is it takes 10 to 15 years for them to get up there.
That's the even the scariest part because we don't even know what's going to happen in 10 to 15 years from what's already been vented before we had to not do it at all.
Although there are people doing it.
But anyway, the carbon atoms, once they reach ultraviolet rays, are broken away from the freon, from the chloro to fluoromethane, and they become singular.
And what they do is steal an oxygen atom away from ozone, which is O3, turning it into oxygen.
And then they let that oxygen atom go, and they grab another, and then another.
And one carbon atom can destroy millions of ozone atoms.
One carbon atom can destroy millions of ozone atoms.
Well, what creates, what created, or maybe I'm beyond your scope here, but the ozone layer now that shields us from some of the harmful radiation from the sun, how is that maintained?
Lightning, I know when we have a lightning strike, that creates ozone.
All right, let us, for the sake of discussion, say that CFCs are the culprit.
What do we have to look forward to?
Are we still venting at a rate that will produce destruction, or have we changed enough, for example, in your business, air conditioning, so that the whole thing is going to get bad, maybe a little worse, and then get better?
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Well, what we have to worry about are the third world countries and second world countries who aren't abounded by any restrictions that the U.N. may bring about, and definitely the U.S. has the strictest.
I don't tend any longer.
There are people in the business who do.
It still goes on, but we have to worry about all these countries coming up that are industrializing, that are still allowed to make the stuff and produce it, and it will be high demand because of the U.N. restrictions on it.
So, how many, what percentage of people in your business, since you haven't given your last name, you can surely tell us, in this country, do you think are illegally still venting Freon CFCs?
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At least 20%.
Oh, great.
Like all other things, the federal government doesn't have the money to enforce their laws, and a lot of people know this, and they're just continuing to do it.
You can fall within their guidelines and still get away with it.
Why would it, let me understand, why would it be to anybody's advantage to go ahead and vent it instead of, well, what is done with it?
What do you do with it?
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Well, we're supposed to suck it out of the equipment with a separate compressor and a portable machine into a drum, and then we turn it in and it's reclaimed and then recycled and put back up for sale.
We don't really get anything for turning it in, though, except the extra time, but we get to do it.
Well, why then not, remember early in our childhoods, Pat, when the landscape was littered with Coke bottles and Pepsi bottles, and they started giving a return, a few cents return.
All of a sudden, there were people out there picking this stuff up.
If they were to offer you some amount of money, some incentive, to recycle this stuff, would that change it?
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Well, actually, at first they did.
They were paying us pennies on the pound for it, but it was something.
And now they've had such a low turnover, I guess they're not making money that they've started.
They've switched from that and started charging us, handling charge.
Okay, I would like to let a couple of people who, you know, whenever we discuss this subject, Pat, I get a lot of very angry faxes saying, oh, my God, you bought into this whole UN business about the ozone, and it's such a lie.
The American people are being lied to.
It's the liberals trying to change our industrial nation into something else.
And I'd like to give a couple of those people, if they want to, an opportunity to ask you a question or two or challenge you.
And I understand from some scientists and from Scallion Volt that Pinatubo and other volcanoes are putting so much more stuff into the atmosphere that's detrimental to the ozone layer that what we're doing is just dropping the bucket.
When you went to school for all this, and they taught you about all this, how definitive were they in their belief that it was CFCs that were doing the damage?
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Well, like I said before, they basically told us we have eliminated all other possibilities.
There is nothing else going on in the world that could get that much.
They know carbon is the problem, the carbon atom stealing the oxygen atom from the ozone.
But they just will not come out and say that the CFC binning is doing it, although the EPA did get pretty hardline about it, and we came under regulation, quite hard regulation, all at once.
All right, I've heard of projects that actually talked about launching rockets or even launching rockets from high-altitude aircraft to try and replenish the ozone that is in the ozone layer.
That's a tough question for a guy in the air conditioning business.
Go ahead, Pat.
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If we all stop today and not another pound was vented into the atmosphere, 10 or 15 years down the road, what we had left might start building back up.
But from all evidence I've seen, we're definitely not, as United States citizens, and well, the United States companies will stop, but the second and third world countries won't.
No, I don't think that CFPs would probably be good for the ozone there.
You don't realize the amount that are being bent it off of.
Bakeries and big factories sometimes spent thousands and thousands or even hundreds of thousands of pounds a day just because it's cost-effective for them to do that other than shut down and repair the leaks.
Well, the volcano, as I just told you, for the last since 83, January 3rd, 1983, hundreds of tons a day coming out of Kilauea into the atmosphere.
But how long does that stuff stay up there?
That's the question.
Well, it makes it, well, so far today, we've had kind of no winds around the big island down here.
And we have a phenomenon called Vog.
And it's been hanging around, it makes it look like Los Angeles, unfortunately, until the trade winds come.
And we're talking hundreds of times more pollutants into the air from not only from Tinatubo, but there's other volcanoes around the ring of fire.
There was one that went off down the South Pacific a couple months ago making New Island.
And there's just plenty of them.
The CFCs are just, like we say, thousands of pounds.
And one might also argue that volcanism has been going on and was, in fact, more active, I suppose, many years before we ever even thought to measure or even look at the ozone layer.
So if that was depleting and killing it, why it ought to be gone by now.
Really?
So, listen, Pat, I thank you for joining us.
I'm going to run along because I've got a newscast coming up, but I really did want to hear from somebody in the business.
You're in the business, and that's your view.
And it's funny, I would have thought that somebody in your business would have thought this whole ozone thing was a big conspiracy to cost a lot of people a lot of money and, you know, go to other substances to air condition.
And there's a million conspiracy theories out there, but you don't think it's a conspiracy, do you?
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Well, at first, most of us did.
But once we learned about it and saw the facts and were presented with all the evidence, a lot of us made the decision that it really was the problem.
And I don't want to be a part of destroying the rozone layer.
I've got another facts here on the ozone, and I'm going to read it to you.
And if you want to argue with it, you're welcome to.
I don't think I do.
I think this business on the ozone is one that I buy into.
I do believe the depletion is measurable, has been measured.
Some of our best scientists agree that it is occurring.
I don't know that it's CFCs, and I can't guarantee it's not volcanoes.
I just think that the measurements of the depletion are real.
And therefore, we as the people who walk around down here need to pay attention to it.
I'll get to the facts in just a moment.
It's very interesting.
And I also want to mention that our network has made a decision, a very bold decision, to publish some of the most incredible photographs you've ever seen in your whole life.
The photographs of the crash debris at Roswell slash Socorro, I have no idea what to call it, and I don't know what crash it is.
I can tell you this.
In the photographs, you will see the I-beams with the glyph inscriptions on them.
In the other photograph, you will see the panels from the boxes designed to be used by creatures with six fingers.
These will be clear, distinct photographs.
They will shock you.
They will add to the credibility of the Roswell photographs that we published the previous month.
If you order now, and of course we're way ahead on this now, but if you order now, you will indeed get that issue.
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All right, here we go.
Very quickly, there has been a big, they say, break in Bosnia.
The Serbs, in a late-night breakthrough, apparently have agreed to pull their guns back from Sarajevo.
They say they can do it in six days.
We have agreed to a 72-hour cessation in the bombing.
Now, if this leads to a comprehensive peace, it was announced that this is what scares the hell out of me, and I have been telling you this right along, but it is now announced that 18,000 American soldiers will be required to go into Bosnia to police the peace.
In other words, once we have successfully bombed them into an agreement to divide what used to be Yugoslavia into ethnic areas, 18,000 Americans will be required to go and keep the peace forever, I guess.
Because all of history teaches us the moment we leave, the moment the iron pist, whether it's ours, as in NATO's, or the Soviet Union's, which is what used to keep the peace over there, the moment that hand leaves, the ethnic war will begin again.
So, to me, it looks as though we are one step closer to solidifying what is going to be absolute madness for America.
And I'm sorry to have to tell you.
So we may have bombed them into a sort of temporary submission.
And then we're going to have to send our men over there to police all this.
And we're going to be liked there about as much as the British are liked In Ireland, we are making a terrible, terrible mistake.
Now, with regard to what you heard from Australia earlier and what you heard from not quite a layman, a man in the air conditioning business about CFCs and the ozone and all the rest of it and the global warming and stand talked about the hot spots that he can verify and has verified and the earth changes coming and all the rest of it.
Earthquakes in the center of the country yesterday, not big ones.
South of Mexico City, a really big one.
7.2 on the Richter scale.
You in California know what's been going on in Central California, a rash of small earthquakes.
We are, in my opinion, and I'm not a visionary, I'm just a guy who interviews people.
Some of them strange, some of them believable, some not, but they all seem to point in the same general direction of something building.
Whether you want to talk about somebody, the quality of Gordon Michael Scallion, or any of the myriad of other guests that I've had on, don't you feel it?
Don't you feel it?
I do.
We're building towards something.
It is, indeed, for the lack of a better word, a quickening, some kind of quickening.
And I've been getting faxes all day long on the earthquakes, the hurricanes.
Hurricane Maryland, by the way, now gathering strength and speed past Barbados and Martinique, headed toward the same poor islands that took a battering last week.
We are having one of the worst hurricane seasons in all of recorded history.
It may, in fact, be that before it's over.
O.J. Simpson, the prosecution is about done.
They actually may rest today or Monday at the latest.
Yesterday, a prosecution witness took issue with Dr. Henry Lee, well-respected, who presented evidence suggesting there may have been a second killer.
He disputes that, said, no, these footprints indeed are not footprints, not, but rather the imprint of Ron Goldman's blue jeans.
Thought it was rather effective.
The defense right now is on the ropes, I think.
And the defense needs a desperate move.
They need a big finish.
They are going to have an opportunity.
Their case-in-chief has not been rested.
So in other words, they're going to be able to come back and do something.
And they better do something.
It is said O.J. Simpson is indeed depressed, thinks his chances of an outright acquittal have slipped or are slipping away quickly.
There was somebody who faxed us a most intriguing fax yesterday about something O.J. Simpson or the defense team might pull.
And here is a follow-up fax.
Art, that was an interesting proposition.
A faxer put forward last night regarding the possibility of OJ taking the stand, then taking the Fifth Amendment during cross-examination.
I ran it by a paralegal friend in Sacramento, and we came up with an interesting scenario.
There is a distinct possibility OJ will take the stand if Judge Ito denies the defense motion to allow testimony from FBI agent Fred Whitehurst.
That's another story.
After direct examination, O.J. could mouth the exact words proposed by the faxer.
In other words, I assert my right to take the fifth, just like Mark Furman did.
Marcia Clark would, of course, go ballistic.
Judge Ito would have to tell OJ he had waived his Fifth Amendment rights and must testify.
However, the cat would be out of the bag.
The jury would know the truth about Furman.
Ito could instruct the jury to disregard the remark, but it would be for naught.
OJ would then be forced to submit to cross-examination, but with an unnerved, off-balance, and largely ineffective Marsha Clark.
He might be found in contempt, but the maximum sentence would be six months.
If he were acquitted on the murder charges, he'd have to be credited for time already served in the county jail.
If he continued to refuse to answer questions, he could get six months on each count.
But he could afford to work in a couple of other items the judges ruled inadmissible without risking additional jail time.
One final thought.
We've heard OJ did poorly on mock cross-examination.
You've remarked on how Johnny Cochran always seems to know how to push Marcia Clark's buttons to get an emotional reaction.
Yeah, he does.
Could it be he's doing this in order to show OJ how to handle her in the event he does need to testify?
So I don't know.
We talked about welfare.
If you've got continuing comments on that, we had a big row about that yesterday, and you're certainly welcome to.
The judge in the Oklahoma City bombing case, get this, refused to step down despite requests from both the defense and the prosecution.
Instead, he's moved the case to Lawton, Oklahoma.
I've got a lot of listeners in Lawton, Oklahoma.
And I presume you will keep us very well, indeed, caught up on what's going on in Lawton, Oklahoma.
All right, in just one moment, I've got a lot of catch-up to do.
We are going to open the phone lines.
You know what the numbers are.
And we're going to do for the Balance of the Morning Two-Way Talk Radio.
I listened to people like Stan from Australia earlier, and I listened to people with respect to the ozone and global warming.
And I have this, I know that the temptation for a lot of you is to say it's totally loony tunes.
And I get faxes saying it is totally loony tunes.
And I realize that at times a lot of it sounds like it, or the global warming, the volcanic action, the earth movement we're getting, the apparent warming of the ocean.
Stan made a lot of reference to that.
The larger hurricane seasons.
The disruptions we're going through.
And I must tell you that I don't buy into it totally, but I do have a nagging feeling inside that something's coming.
Something evil comes this way.
Something is going to happen, and I can't shake it.
I just can't shake it.
Whether it's scallion or any of the rest of them, they're all pointing the same way, and there's got to be some sort of collective wisdom in that or not.
But I've got a lousy little feeling the answer is yes.
What would you think, and this is a what if, if there was a new substance developed that cured all the major diseases out there and conditions, what do you think that would do for the world?
Now, you've got to limit it to three pages, otherwise my fax machine will not spit it out.
It goes into memory first, so limit it to three pages.
Okay, thank you.
Thank you very much for the call.
All right, here's the facts I was telling you about.
Dear Art, I hope I can write this without sounding too technical.
Please accept my apologies for the terms and descriptions.
I am a chemistry and biology scholar, and I'd like to clear up some gross discrepancies and untruths being told.
The ozone layer is millimeters thick and tens of thousands of feet up.
Most compounds and gases cannot reach that high.
Only aromatic compounds like chloral-fluoral carbons, CFCs, can rise to such a great height.
Global wind patterns are a bit more complex than that as well.
We cannot replenish the ozone layer due to the thin nature and unstable compound composition.
The artificially added ozone would not remain stable.
Once the CFC reaches a height where UV rays can strike or affect it, ultraviolet rays energize it and turn it into an aromatic organoacid.
One chlorine atom or more is freed from the molecule and the unstable ozone molecules in the ozone layer are more likely to reattach themselves to the CFC radical molecule.
Once the CFC radical binds to the single oxygen atom, that ozone molecule is considered depleted.
What is left is O2, which cannot remake ozone by itself.
Volcanoes do not deplete the ozone layer.
They cannot create gases or compounds which reach the ozone layer, and even if they did, they would not deplete ozone.
At the most, carbon dioxide from volcanoes would contribute to global warming, but that is a completely separate issue from ozone depletion.
We can live in a warmer climate.
We cannot live if our flesh is killed by UV rays or if our animals and ecosystems are mutated beyond viability.
That's from Columbia, Missouri.
Thank you.
And again, I don't know whether I buy into it or not.
I'm not a scientist.
I could not have done what this gentleman just did by facts.
I don't have the knowledge to do that.
I simply continue to research and look into this whole business about ozone and global warming, which he suggests is a separate issue.
And I'm watching our ecosystem.
And I have sort of a collective feeling that we're headed in a difficult direction.
I'm actually most times willing to do about anything on the radio, anything that's different.
I like difference.
And the ratings of this program and the reach of this program and the interest in this program prove that the audience does as well.
Unscreened, basically uncensored calls, with the exception, of course, of last names and things that could be litigated and stuff like that we don't put on there.
But otherwise, uncensored, unscreened, just open lines.
When will the world learn that is the most interesting kind of talk radio?
I don't know.
I did a whole chapter of it in my new book.
And I bet Sandy down in Sandy down in San Diego is going to be one of the first to order.
Sandy, I'll send you a personally autographed version.
It is a political question, so you should enjoy it.
Is what NATO is doing right now in Bosnia, in your mind, a great thing?
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I think that what you're seeing after the Soviet Union collapsed is you're seeing nations finally coming together and realizing, and yeah, NATO is young and it's making a lot of stupid mistakes, but it's learning.
And I think that 20, 30 years from now, no, you're not going to have this conspiracy world government, but I think you're going to have governments around the world realize that we need places to work together.
And I think that in the long run, countries working together is positive, not negative.
And these conspiracy nuts who say that countries should work independently, independently we've tried that.
I'm asking you whether NATO or sending 18,000 American troops into Bosnia to police an ethnically, geographically separated, enforced peace is a good idea.
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Might not be a good idea, but I think these people constantly criticize NATO.
You know something?
You're seeing some tremendously horrible things happening there.
And I tell you this, at least these people are trying.
And I'll tell you what, why weren't we doing that in the 1940s when Hitler was butchering all these Jews?
Okay, if you notice since his campaign when he was, you know, before he was first elected and everything, till now, I mean, this guy's nose is getting bigger.
Well, by the end of the second term, he's going to need wheels out on the end of it.
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Yeah, if you put in your newsletter, like a beef picture.
And I don't know if it's a Pinocchio theory or maybe he's a chronic alky because that booze is the only thing he hasn't downed since he's been in there, you know.
Yeah, I don't understand where you're going, but I think you're going around the bend there.
It could look, it could be anything.
What do I know?
All I know is this alien autopsy film, For all the screeching and screaming that I've heard about how silly it is, there has not been one serious hole shot in the whole thing yet.
Not one.
And I think Bob Schell came on here and added a lot of credibility to it.
And the photographs that we're about to publish definitely do.
You can talk about mutations and genetic mutation and why that poor being who's really just a human being, you can talk about that all you want.
But when you see the next photographs that we're going to publish, the ones with the panels from the boxes designed for six fingers, if you don't sit there and give some serious thought to the possibility that what you're seeing is as real as can be, then you're just simply not an open-minded person at all, or you have another agenda.
This clearly, clearly, with the evidence we have so far, is either proof of an alien visit, which is not exactly a minor story, or the most involved, complex, long-term hoax that's ever been pulled off, period.
Either way, I calculated to be a very large story, and I lean toward authenticity.
I haven't called a talk show in 15, 16 years, and I know you hear this a lot, but I really think you're, if I may use an analogy, like actors, of which there's only been three or four, that are, they call them a man's man, meaning that both female and males like them equally, and they say that's kind of the test whether you're, I'm more diverse than I thought I would be here.
But I just really think that there's a spirit to your show that is much greater even than the apparent content, which is really good.
I really haven't called a talk show in about 16 years, and I did a little TV talk show once that was really silly, but you've helped me there too because I've been doing respiratory therapy for about 16 years.
This is following Ted Kimball, who built the audience up for me.
He was just a flooky little thing in Salt Lake.
He was a good partner to Herb Jepco.
Oh, he built up a huge audience of geriatrics and everybody else.
But I maintained that audience for a short while and had practically a 40 rating.
But that sounds like Breggado show.
Anyway, I just wanted to tell you that I am a think you're wonderful.
And I hope you won't get discouraged because there's nothing like this anywhere.
That's why I'm doing it, because there really is nothing else like it.
There's room for all kinds of talk radio in the spectrum.
And some nights will probably sound like other talk radio.
Last night we did.
Talked about welfare all night.
Tonight we don't.
Tomorrow night, I have no idea what we do.
You know what we might do tomorrow night?
We might do truth or trash again.
Would you like that?
Sure got an awful lot of requests for it.
I don't want to do the same thing.
I'm not going to do the same thing.
And so inevitably, some nights you're going to really like me and some nights you're going to hate me because some nights you'll like what I'm doing and some nights you won't.
I'm not going to do the same thing repetitively as so many others are doing.
I don't denigrate them for it.
I think they're going to be sorry.
I think talk radio in general is going to be sorry if it goes marching down a singular path.
It needs to be more varied.
And so I'll continue to supply that variation.
And judging from ratings, judging from the amount of people listening and the growth of the program, it's popular.
Increasingly popular as more and more people discover it.
Trying to lay a foundation that it is a financial matter that the company that had the patent on a Freon, I guess, now would lose it and other people would produce it.
And so it's the conspiracy theory, the economic conspiracy theory.
And it's, you know, it's, I suppose, as good as anybody else's theory, but that's all it is.
And again, I say, and I get faxes on both sides of this question and lots of information, but the scientists are arguing with each other about this.
What's causing it?
Not so much the fact that it actually is measurably less, but what's causing it.
Either way, it would seem to have possible dire consequences for us if the process continues.
The most he said, as I recall, is that he thought there might be a connection.
I know a lot of people dispute that, but there are others with more scientific prowess than I've got, and maybe even you, who think there is a connection.
So I'm darned if I know.
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Well, the bottom line is, I think if you raise the global degree by one, if you raise it by even one degree, the flooding would be so, you know, millions would die.
Right, those are the guys that did the hoax a few years ago when they ran a story that some kid in Minnesota had hacked up his parents with an axe while listening to one of their songs and got Rolling Stone and all these major mass media to believe it.
Well, are these the people that are running some of my show or what are they doing tonight?
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Right, well what they did tonight was on the alien autopsy.
It was called Autopsy Part 1, Three and a Half Hours.
And I only caught the last hour.
What they did is take all kind of major mass media about the autopsy.
He's a clips of you interventively viewing Santilli on the air, clips of you with Bob Schell, and the guy calls in and says, Marsh, remember that guy, Martians?
You guys are crazy.
Why don't you grow up?
Yeah, it was that repeating again and again.
And stuff from the actual show and stuff that was on other radio stations that I don't know the source of and kind of multiple sources kind of going at once and different elements repeating and so on and so forth to kind of hash out the reality of it, the mythology around it and so forth.
You were a big part of it and it was kind of interesting to just kind of tune away from you for a minute, go to KPFA, and there you were again.
Yeah, I just wanted to, you know, I think I'd get through and talk to you and just tell you about that.
And, you know, I have nothing really else to say except that you're doing a great job.
And it's really you're, I think of the guy that I guess he was calling in, wanted to call in the first timeline, but made a mistake called West of the Rockies.
He was saying that, you know, you do something really special, and that's really a lot different from a lot of what's out there.
And as a media junkie, I work in politics in California and are exposed to a lot of major mass media and minor mass media every day.
And you really do do something that's really kind of promotes more of a pure expression of a free exchange of ideas on the radio in real time in this time right now.
You know, it makes some people angry, but that's cool, too.
I'm trying to be different.
I want to be different.
And I couldn't do this five hours a night if it wasn't different.
If I had to come up here five hours a night and limbaugh you to death, you know, with just raging about the liberals or raging about politics, I would eventually get bored and I couldn't do it anymore.
So I'm liable to do anything on any given night.
I might even be considered about halfway crazy.
And I know there's lots of you out there who think I am.
But it sure does make for fun radio and spontaneous radio.
And not only are we looking at American kids dying over there for people who are bound and determined to decimate each other and have been for centuries.
And I'm subject to seeing the mortar round landing in the middle of the shopping area in Sarajevo and saying, God, this is awful.
Of course.
and so I feel it like everybody else does but I guess a couple of weeks ago I began to think of this step back from it a little bit and I began to consider what we're doing We're taking these people who are bound and determined to kill each other genocide and We're bombing them to submission.
We can do that.
We have that power and we may be on the verge of having done it.
And then we're going to have to go in there and enforce this ethnic geographic separation for as long as we want the fighting to stop.
And the minute we leave, it will begin again.
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Absolutely.
It's inevitable, Art.
And, you know, not only are we facing that, but I think that, you know, we've made lifelong enemies out of the Serbs now.
They have very long memories about that sort of thing.
Yep.
I think they could, they certainly don't have an air force to use against us, but I think they could quite conceivably send a different type of bomber over here.
it's an absolute no-win situation and no american should die over there well um i'm with you there i've got to run through a thank you thank you and good night um i think a lot of americans are going to be asking themselves as their offspring go off to police the peace in a very dangerous place how much business we have doing this and and we are now uh guaranteeing 18,000
troops to go in if they manage to get this peace thing on.
It's really insanity.
It's insanity when you step back and you look at it.
I suppose some steps from a humanitarian point of view are justified, but the larger question and the years ahead are going to be a terror if we proceed as we appear to be right now.
And so yesterday would have been hers and my father's 65th wedding anniversary.
So I decided to send some flowers.
Just, you know, love you.
And I instructed the nurses that I wanted one bouquet to go into her room, one bouquet to go into the nurse's station, and one bouquet to go into the solarium.
And so I called yesterday afternoon check and check and see that they got there.
And they had.
Well, that was Wednesday afternoon.
And then then talked to a nurse this morning who hadn't been there yesterday who said I walked in and she said I could smell those flowers 20 feet before I ever got to the nurse's station.