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Sept. 14, 1995 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Stan Deyo - Flying Saucer Technology - Ozone Hole

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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from September 14th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning across all these many time zones.
		Tahiti, Hawaii, in the west, the Caribbean, the newly threatened Caribbean in the east, the U.S. Virgins.
		I don't know.
		It's a rough hurricane season, folks.
		South into South America, north to the pole, we think.
		This is coast to coast a.m.
		Live park radio, unscreened park radio, unpredictable, unusual, even at times a little weird.
		But fun.
		Definitely fun.
		And that is part of my plan on radio to have fun.
		After funny ought not be doing it.
		And tonight I would like to welcome WHEPAM in Foley, Alabama.
		Scorching into Mobile and Pensacola, Mobile, Alabama, and Pensacola, Florida.
		They will be carrying the program from...
		Well, let me see.
		I guess they carried...
		It doesn't stay here.
		We'll have to ask somebody there.
		Looks like total carriage, though, and Dreamland as well.
		So, welcome to the program.
		Good to have you.
		And then also, that'd be affiliate number 110, incidentally.
		111 would be KYLR AM in Huntsville, Texas.
		That's KYLRAM in Huntsville, Texas.
		I'm not exactly sure where Huntsville is.
unidentified		I'm sure we'll be told.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I have a number of major announcements tonight.
		The first major announcement is, beginning as of this moment, and until we reach the number 1,000, which will occur very quickly, my book is out.
		It's called The Art of Talk.
		In my book, I cover my long, unusual career in radio.
		I talk specifically at great length about this program and behind the scenes of talk radio.
		It is an autobiographical kind of thing.
		You'll see pictures of me as a...
		At any rate, it's a wonderful book.
		The book is a hardcover book.
		It has had custom artwork, no pun intended, done for the cover.
		It's beautiful.
unidentified		Absolutely beautiful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The book quality is first rate.
		The page, the print, and the color photographs are all done in gloss.
		And so here it is.
		Here's the offer.
		And this, believe me, is only going to go to the first 1,000 people because I'm not signing any more than that.
		But the first 1,000 people who order, and we have no telephone number for you to order, I'm going to give you an address.
		And you need to send a check or money order for $24.95 each, you know, for each book you would like, plus $4 shipping and handling.
		You know, I ought to just add that and make it $28.95.
		It's a lot easier so that people don't have to do the arithmetic.
		It's $28.95, and that includes shipping and handling.
		So that'll make it easier.
		Now, this is just an offering to some of you who want the book right away and want an autographed copy of the book.
		Otherwise, not to worry.
		There will be an 800 number available for credit card purchases sometime after October 6th.
		This is just a very special sort of first group offering, all right?
		Only the first 1,000.
		And so speed obviously is of the essence.
		And if, in other words, if you become 1,001 or 2 or 3, and it's going to go very quickly through 1,000, obviously, you're not going to get an autographed copy.
		So I'm going to be stressing this tonight.
		Now, I want to read you something because I'm going to do something a little different here in a moment, maybe.
		I got, thank God for the internet, I got a very interesting facts from a fellow named Stan Dale, I think it's Dale, all the way down in Perth, Australia.
		That's something about the internet, it's everywhere.
		And here's what he said.
		Art, my home is too far away to receive your program.
		I'm in Perth, Australia.
		But my brother in Tacoma, Washington speaks very highly of your show and your methods of exploring the data you encounter.
		I was recruited by Edward Teller's man, Dr. James R. Maxfield, in Dallas in 1971.
		This took me to Australia to continue my research into advanced propulsion systems for aircraft and spacecraft.
		Not long into the program, I disagreed Violently with the cover-up of our findings and developments, which I knew could have greatly benefited mankind.
		I was not at Roswell.
		I have never seen an alien, to my knowledge.
		However, I have been involved in advanced research projects which would explain a lot of the so-called UFOs around the planet.
		We've had over 50 R ⁇ D programs, black, since the mid-50s that were set up to make circular winged aircraft and spacecraft.
		The former worked on ionized plasmas of CO2 seeded nitrogen envelopes in dynamic motion around and through the core of a disc-shaped craft.
		The latter used a form of pulsed toroidal magnetic fields to move the craft in space, water, or air.
		I have seen the inside of one of our own toroidal craft in an assembly area in the desert.
		There have been numerous test areas that operated under NATO banners and others.
		One was in Saudi Arabia and was called, and I can't make out the name of it, west of the Persian Gulf and in Bahrain as well.
		I've always known enough to be dangerous to the several factions involved in the use and cover-up of the technology and the alien scenario.
		Fortunately, someone in these factions has spared me in exile here in the most remote city on Earth.
		I do not know how much more I can contribute to the revelation of the truth in these matters, which seem to occupy a great deal of the human consciousness in the Western world of late.
		I was a cadet at the USAF Academy in Colorado, class of 67.
		I held both secret and top-secret security clearances for our government.
		There I was involved in a most unique mind training program, which is still classified above top-secret.
		Believe me when I tell you that I encourage you in your search for the truth in these matters.
		But I also caution you to ask yourself, what will you do when you find out?
		Will you like the answer?
		Will you wish you had not found out?
		I sometimes wonder what it would be like to live life in a sort of oblivious, lemming-like pursuit of worldly stimula, not knowing what to do, not having seen the things I have seen, things which I cannot prove anymore, but things which are so bizarre that I marvel they have not leaked out in all this hype about the aliens in Area 51.
		No one seems to have realized the real UFO research areas are not accessible by laypersons.
		They're under lakes, under bodies, and under the planet's poles in underground facilities.
		Some are here in Australia, in the middle of nowhere, at Pine Gap, underground, and in South Africa.
		But the most sensitive ones are at the South Pole.
		Teller's group used to control most of these until another faction grabbed control of the international groups.
		Now, I found this to be fascinating, and so you know me.
		I picked up the telephone and called Australia.
		That's right, I called Australia.
		And in a moment, I'm going to try to pick up the phone and call Australia again.
		No guarantees.
		But I'm going to see if I can get Stan on the air for a little bit here and talk to us about what he knows.
		What has banished him to Perth in the land down under?
unidentified		Screams
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's nothing like going to the other side of the world, and I think that I have connected with Stan.
		So let us give it a shot.
		to the land down under we go, Perth, Australia, and to stand...
		Is it Deo, Stan, or how do we pronounce your last name?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		That's correct, Art.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful.
		And welcome to the program.
		Stan, I found the facts, excuse me, the piece of email that you sent me across this wonderful internet we've got fascinating.
		And so I want to ask you in person, for the audience, a little bit of some of what is contained in the facts.
		I mean, it is absolutely incredible.
		First of all, how did you become involved with these kinds of aircraft, with these kinds of spacecraft, with this kind of research?
		What were you doing that got you involved?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, I went to the Air Force Academy as a cadet.
		And while I was at the academy, I was inducted into a special black project, I suppose would be the best word to use, an intelligence project, which did teach me a lot of physics.
		It is not mainline stuff.
		When I left the academy, I went back to Dallas, Texas, where I was raised.
		And a few years passed, and I did private research in developing a new kind of propulsion for aircraft that would, in essence, make a circular winged flying disc using a plasma, a moving plasma would serve as a wing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Already, Stan, you're going to get ahead of me.
		Now, we've got to reduce this down to what the average person can understand.
		I'm a little technically minded, but when you begin talking about new propulsion systems, explain to a layman how that might work.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		Most aircraft have to race down a runway until they can get the relative airspeed up to the point that it lifts the craft off the ground, reducing the pressure over the top of the wing.
		These kind of craft that I was designing did not have to have a runway.
		They were like a vertical takeoff device that would whirl the air around them in a vortex, out the center and around and underneath.
		And like a bumblebee, they would then lift into the air and Fly by pulling a vacuum in front of them.
		They were pushed their way through the air.
		They could go very fast, somewhat like a smoke ring at 20,000 miles an hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you tell us where this research took place?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I was doing was in my own private lab at home, a lot of mathematics and some electronics tests.
		I never really figured out how they knew exactly what I was doing, but Teller and Maxfield's people from Lawrence Livermore approached me privately and knew everything I was doing.
		They had been there and done that in the mid-50s, a long time before me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did that, as they approached you, on what basis did they take you way down to Australia?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, Maxfield, Dr. Maxfield's exact words were something to the effect of, my boy, don't ask now.
		Just understand that Australia is the place for you to finish your research, not here.
		We're going to make everything available for you there and send you down there, which they did do.
		Look, they had had over 50 projects like this since the mid-50s in the United States, or at least started there.
		Some had moved offshore down to the South Pole and into Australia, apparently near the center of Australia.
		I did not know about those until they told me.
		I didn't even know they existed until these guys collared me.
		I still don't to this day know how they found out what I was doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You say here, I was not at Roswell.
		I've never seen an alien, to my knowledge.
		Now, the craft that you're describing, that you say that we have, are exactly the craft that are being seen all over the world and are being called, frankly, flying saucers.
		Would it be your contention or belief that most, if not all of these, belong to us?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Let me divide it this way.
		Before 1952, I don't believe that any decidings or contacts were ours or were man-made.
		After that, yes, a great deal of it.
		But in 1958, worldwide research in over 100 companies and universities across the planet working in those propulsion systems and publishing, I might add, in the trade journals, electronics journals, and aerodynamics journals, stopped.
		Stopped publishing in the same month all across the world as though some invisible hand had put a muzzle on them, not just the U.S. government.
		It went across national boundaries.
		And after that, public information was about Zilch on electrogravitic propulsion or anti-gravity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Is that what it is, Stan?
		Is it actually anti-gravity?
		And I guess I've got to have you explain it again.
		If it's anti-gravity, can you explain how it works?
		Can you, again, remember, we're just poor lay people.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		All right, two things.
		When I first started this, I was designing an aircraft which used air that had been slightly heated in temperature, well, heated a lot, and had electric current running through it over the top of the saucer shape, and this caused the air to move in a tight pattern around the craft and up to the core and swirl like a bumblebee.
		It's like instead of having a propeller, you have electrons moving the air around the craft.
		Now, that's an aircraft.
		Later developments, or in fact the earlier developments I didn't know about at the time, in the U.S. research had developed some very complex toroidal coils, ring-shaped, smoke-ring-shaped flat coils.
		They look somewhat like the Pharaoh's headband, if you can remember that, where they've got the little stripes running around the headband of the Pharaoh's little ring that he used to wear on his head.
		Anyway, these craft did use a very complex interactive pulse electric current and magnetic field, and they generated an effect that would, in effect, bend gravity.
		Now, I didn't develop those.
		I came along afterwards.
		I did see photographs and had it explained to me in the assembly area.
		But basically, what happens is they can use a very small power source and pulse it at the frequency that is just right for the circuit they've designed in the craft.
		And it will store up energy in the form of moving magnetic field and current, which switches from one circuit to another at right angles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, Stan, I've got to stop you here for a second.
		You know, what you're describing sounds remarkably like what was described to me in simpler technical terms with regard to that old famous Philadelphia experiment.
		I've, of course, interviewed Al Bielick many times.
		And what he talked about is fairly close to what I seem to be getting from you.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Did Al say that, did he?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, something close to it.
		In other words, pulsing magnetic fields with RF, rotating RF fields at a certain frequency.
		Does that sound familiar?
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		Yep.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Very close.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I am familiar with the Philadelphia experiment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then the technology that you heard used there is close to what you are describing now?
unidentified		Yes.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		As I said to you in the letter, Dr. Frederick Tatford, Tom Kennedy Commission in London, contacted me a couple years back.
		He was a friend of Einstein.
		And he and Dr. Einstein had discussed the Philadelphia experiment and implications of it.
		And they wanted, well, he was dead by that time, but then Dr. Tadford said to me, I would like for you to explain to me what you think happened, and I will, within the boundaries of what I'm allowed to tell you, confirm it, which I did do, and he confirmed that I had understood the process correctly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Stan, we have a great echo, of course, and a great time difference and a great geographic difference.
		So I'm going to ask you to hold on.
		We're here at the bottom of the hour.
		There will be four minutes of silence.
		Don't let it bother you.
		Just stay right where you are, which happens, by the way, everybody, to be Perth, Australia.
unidentified		You're listening to Archbel, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
unidentified		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 14, 1995.
bette midler ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Arkfell somewhere in time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 14th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here I am.
		My guest is Stan Deo.
		He's in Perth, Australia.
		He's there for a very good reason.
		We'll explore that in a moment.
unidentified		Shrraaam!
unidentified		Shrraaam!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you Now, back to Perth, Australia and Stan Deo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stan, are we still connected?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Art.
		I don't have any echo on my side.
		Do you on your side?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only occasionally.
		It's actually a better connection, Stan, than I get sometimes with Las Vegas.
		So it's a good connection.
		There is a little bit of a delay.
		That's not a big problem.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		You know, we are the most remote city on Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that true?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What time is it there, by the way?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		It's 2.37 in the afternoon on Friday.
		And I can tell you, it's sunny.
		You'll have a good Friday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if the weather pattern's old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, now, how many years did you work on these kind of craft?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		In the States, probably about three or four.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I guess I did work on them from about 68, 69 to 71 when they sent me down to Australia and I was made contact with my intelligence group down here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would it be your view that the technology in the Philadelphia experiment was the genesis of what led toward the kind of work you did?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		If not, it was certainly a main part of it because there were other offshoots to propulsion.
		There's a way to convert just heat energy from the surrounding environment using something similar in a pumped action like that.
		So a lot of things came out of the Philadelphia type research.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I've always thought that it would be impossible, even if everything about the Philadelphia experiment were true and men caught between decks and all the horrible things that we heard about, that they would just drop the technology and quit investigating.
		That seemed impossible, and what you're telling us is they didn't.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're kind of like where the Philadelphia experiment went.
		I guess I would think of you that way.
		Now, we've got these craft and they're flying about.
		Why has this technology not yet been made available?
		Because, my God, it would be a power source.
		It would be all kinds of things that would benefit mankind.
		Why don't we know about it, except from you?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, Art, you sound kind of like I did back in 1973 or 74 down here when I really got cranky with the fellows that I work for here in that area because I said to them the very same thing.
		Why aren't we sharing this?
		There are people that need this technology to survive.
		Hundreds of millions of people need it.
		And they kind of told me that I didn't understand the situation about the factions, the groups that are buying for control of the entire planet, and that they couldn't just release this because it would create havoc and precipitate wars.
		I didn't buy it, and that's where we parted company in very unfriendly terms.
		I wanted to make it public, which I have certainly started doing, and they didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you are, and I should tell the audience an author, you have written something called The Cosmic Conspiracy and the Vindicator Scrolls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are those books?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, the first book I wrote 18 years ago as kind of life insurance.
		I named names, and they've never ever come back on me.
		I've talked about Teller, Max Fields, Sir John Williams, a lot of them that were involved in my particular intelligence group in the cover-up.
		And I wrote that book so that they would know that I was prepared to tell that much and would go further if they didn't get off my back.
		And so we came to a stalemate for 18 years.
		Now, a lot of those guys are not even in power anymore, or if they are, they're not quite as strong as they used to be.
		And so I think it's probably time to say more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, I would like you to be able to use your own words and tell us what you know exists and where it is.
		In other words, tell us as much as you can.
		And would you view yourself as putting yourself in danger right now by doing this?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		No more than going into traffic in New York City at rush hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that because you're in Perth, Australia and not here?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		Believe me, there's no way you run from some of the crowds if they want to get you.
		It's because there are factions, fighting factions, and some of them are covering me at the moment that I'm quite unassailed by all this.
		Where to start?
		Well, let me put it this way.
		We have technology to make and have made flying saucers.
		That's the simplest way to say it.
		They are saucer-shaped.
		Some of them are triangular with kind of rounded corners.
		The Aurora projects that everyone thinks are so secret and wonderful are Nifty, but they are 10 to 12 years out of date.
		Certainly, you couldn't possibly believe that they would let something like that leak out like this unless it were out of date.
		I mean, even the model makers are selling models of the Aurora secret craft.
		But they used portions of technology that were used a long time ago in building the first saucer craft.
		And the portions are like high-voltage charges on the fuel screen and on the wings, up over definitely up over 20,000 volts, and in some cases, probably point voltages of 15 million.
		And they used barium titanate shields on them.
		These things are old technology.
		The newer craft are being controlled by groups.
		I couldn't even begin to tell you the names of the current controllers.
		But in my day, the United States and Great Britain still had a fairly hard control over where this technology was going.
		We had bases in Norway, we had them in Jabal Tawak and Saudi Arabia, west of Bahrain, all underground.
		We had research being done here at Pine Gap in the center of Australia, and another one which is called the Star Trek of the North in the Kimberley regions of the mountains of northern Australia.
		We had them down to the South Pole.
		Dr. Maxfield in Dallas showed me photographs taken in their submarine trips down there to reach the bases.
		Some of these bases where the really good stuff has gone on is just totally inaccessible by you as a civilian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All of this going on right under our noses, in fact, under our earth, is what you're saying.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		A great deal of it, yes.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		They have broadened their horizon since then and moved above the ground, but in those days, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What was Stan, the latest craft that you had anything to do with?
		What were its capabilities?
		What could it do?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		The ones that I actually designed and drew papers up for the Aeronautical Research Group was an aircraft that superheated air.
		It was slow starting.
		It would throw the air up out a hole in the middle of the saucer shape like a donut, splash it around the surface down underneath and recirculate the air, as I say, like a bumblebee spinning or like a smoke ring.
		And we would inject a 6% CO2 solution in a nitrogen gas envelope in the center of that.
		And that's how we would start it and make it an electric plasma like it's in fluorescent lights.
		And that's why they glow, or those types of.
		That's what I was working on because I had not come to the level yet of these pulse magnetic field craft.
		I was shown the other stuff.
		And certainly we have craft that fly using technology very similar, as you pointed out, to the Philadelphia radar shield experiment.
		I have tried these things.
		I've tried to recreate them in my lab here and have proceeded to hurt myself, one of my staff, to the point that we are not going to do it for a while until we think we understand a couple of things a little bit better.
		They produce this magnetic field that just, they hurt you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've talked with so many people about magnetic fields.
		It has been a lifelong fascination for me.
		I'm going to jump way ahead here because we're going to have to come back to the technical part.
		I'm going to jump ahead and ask you about one of the paragraphs you sent me in the email.
		And it is, I encourage you in your search for the truth in these matters, but I caution you to ask yourself, what do you do when you find out?
		Will you like the answer?
		Will you wish you had not found out?
		What did you mean by that?
		And please explain.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, Art, there are some things that I do know about what is happening that are going, once you find them out, and I think you will, and a lot of other folks, you are going to find yourself very threatened in your lifestyle, very threatened, so much so that you may wish you hadn't found out.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you might just rather have lived in blissful ignorance rather than worry about what the implications of it are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, Stan, you sound very much like somebody else that I've interviewed many times and who is a good friend of mine named John Lear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know her or how?
unidentified		John.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I've never, I've talked to John a couple times on the phone, but I've never met him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he says much the same kind of thing, Stan, that you really ought to perhaps live your life day to day, enjoy your life, and there are some things that you'd be better off not knowing, and that is, in essence, what you are saying.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to know these things, Stan.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate that.
		As I said to you, my concern is that in kind of good civic duty, some of the things that we might discuss might move some of your audience to do things that they shouldn't.
		I mean, like silly things like stockpiling, hoarding, and dropping out.
		And I wouldn't want that to happen.
		It's difficult for me to figure out how to say it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let me put your mind at ease.
		I cannot imagine anything you would say that would be more startling than some of the things John Lear has said or some of the things Gordon Michael Scallion has said regarding earth changes.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Have you got Gordon on the program?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Gordon is also a very good friend of mine.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		See, blind me, I correspond with all these guys.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I didn't realize that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do correspond with Gordon.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		He and I talk and exchange email and whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, that's amazing.
		It is a small world, isn't it?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'm tied into the U.S. government databases with permission to the USGS, and I draw earthquake and volcano information.
		I also draw data on the sun from Kit Peak every day.
		I get a daily feed from them, analyzing and predicting as best we can where the next major quakes are going to be and the intensity.
		That's why Gordon Michael Scallion and I talked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are aware, of course, of the large 7.2 earthquake south of Mexico City earlier in the day.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'm aware of that.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		came across the screen this morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know how that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, the series of quakes he has predicted?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've got to confess something.
		have so much to read that I glance at these newsletters, hit the high points, and put it in the stack with all the rest, and they kind of run together.
		Can you remind me of what particular...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if this series of quakes completes in the year 1995, he then predicts there will be a major catastrophic earth movement that will literally change the western map and do a lot more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So when you say that you know things that would cause people to hoard or to drop out, I doubt that you could say anything that would be more shocking or cause people to go in that direction more than he has.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		All right, no, all right.
		Well, certainly that is a major part of it.
		That is somewhat natural disasters, and there are a lot more of those in the area for asteroids and comets over the next 10 to 12 years that are probably equally as threatening, if not more.
		Certainly what Gordon is saying, I agree in this respect.
		I've been analyzing data from the NASA CWIF satellite, sea surface temperature satellites over the last year.
		And there is a strange heat wave or heat pattern underneath the crust of the Earth's surface that has several hot spots.
		And one of them is off Mexico and southern California, Baja California, another off Florida, in fact on both sides of Florida up near Georgia and on the east coast of Florida, all along the west coast of Europe to the Atlantic Ridge, the Mediterranean, and Japan is absolutely chalker blocked and in the Philippines.
		All these areas are suffering intense crustal activity.
		As to what is causing the temperature rise, we know that there are magma movements deep down in the surface, but I can't be positive enough about the cause and effect link to say that that's doing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, that is very similar to what Lord Michael Scallion has said regarding a plasma displacement deep within the Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you agree on that, I guess?
bette midler ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can see it.
		I mean, I guess I'm a pragmatist, and I like to see the data.
		And I trust NASA's data reasonably well at this point, anyway, on this figure subject.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, again, so that we might understand, you're, in essence, laying out some scientific evidence, you say, that backs up what Scallion says he sees.
		So give it to me again, please.
		What are you able to access that tells you that the magma is moving in this way?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've gone into the NASA, people that are on the internet, they can access this through NASA's webpage for CWIF, S-E-A-W-I-F.
		In fact, they can do a search and find CWIF, and get into the CWIF color images for the planet.
		Those are done fairly regularly each week.
		And this is a color map of the temperature of the Earth's water surfaces, as done by their satellite and other data gathering services.
		What you do is you take two of those photographs, and you use something like Photoshop, a photo processing program, and you subtract the two images to get the change in temperature, whether it be dropping or rising.
		And that is how you make a differential thermograph of that, which is what we've been doing in our newsletter and various other email feeds that we supply, keeping an eye on it.
		And by golly, you can see it.
		There's just no question about it.
		Big white splashes appear where the temperature is rising in these areas off the California coast, off the Aleutians.
		And Japan, I tell you what, I wouldn't live there in a fit at the moment.
		The heat spot is very concentrated under Japan, all the way into the Chinese coast.
		And I would expect earthquakes and small tidal waves between now and December.
		That's just an educated guess, not a prophecy.
bette midler ▲ ● ▼		Just a guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are having here in America, in the Caribbean, one of the very worst hurricane seasons in all of recorded history.
		You'd have to go back 60 or 70 years to find something equivalent, and it looks like, and it's still very early in the season, so something is going on with the weather.
		Is it related?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
		I know Scientific American put out an article about the magma sheet rising in the Atlantic off the European coast.
		And so there is a large heat influx there, or rise there.
		And certainly in the Caribbean area, or Caribbean, there is a massive heat buildup underneath in the water.
		Again, I assume that it is plasma activities deep down, you know, 500, 600 kilometers down.
		I don't have enough data to be exact, but it is enough to convince me that when people like Scallion and some of the others start to see this, that there's something happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gordon Michael Scallion came on my program not very long ago and gave us a specific warning about volcanic activity in the Caribbean.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		That I can believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so that would relate to the heat spot that you say anybody with internet access could see for themselves.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they'd have to subtract the two images month by month.
		I just took just August, from the 1st of August to the last of August, and subtracted the two images and got a heat pattern buildup in those areas.
		I've done it for longer than that, but just in one month, there's enough to tell you that we've got troubles there.
		And it's up toward where Florida actually hooks on to the American continent, you know, where that little bottleneck is.
		A heat pattern is right under that.
		It is obvious.
		There's no question about it.
		In fact, I looked at it and I thought, I've got to be wrong because we don't have volcanoes in Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what are mainstream scientists, researchers, USGS types saying about it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are they discussing it or is it open?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I haven't seen any open traffic on it.
		Understand that USGS is under a lot of pressure right now to be shut down.
		In the height of all the earthquakes and volcanoes and terrible things that have been happening, with them doing so much research To help us predict earthquakes in California and Japan and whatever, the Congress, the U.S. Congress, has wanted to shut them down, has compromised instead and laid off hundreds and hundreds of USGS staff in the last month.
		Now, I understand why, but a lot of people wouldn't.
		USGS is a semi-public government arm, and there's another group that does monitoring called Shake Lady, S-H-A-K-E-L-A-D-Y, for the Defense Department, and they have infinitely better resources than USGS, but not available to the public.
		So that's why FEMA gets the feeds more than USGS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it your view that they know very well what is coming and will not tell us?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Art, in a word, yes.
		And listen to me.
		This is one of the things that I'm very reluctant to discuss openly, but there's a lot of guys, a lot of scientists telling me we should, and I'm not sure I agree with them.
		But if you knew, Art, a particular piece of real estate, large real estate piece, was going to suffer a lot of damage like this, it was going to impact property values, if not destroy them, commerce, industry, whatever, and you were the government, in wisdom, would you make a public announcement too early in the game and say to people, oh, look, you might die in the next year or two because this is going to happen, but stay there until we get things organized.
		We'll let you know.
		You couldn't do it.
		It would be a mass exodus.
		As it is, since Gordon has come out saying what he's saying, and he's so darned accurate, the property values in California have dropped.
		They've dropped all along the west of the Rocky Mountains, except in Oregon and part of Washington State.
		And for the life of me, I don't know why they don't drop there.
		Because the volcanoes are two of them are on standby one alert at the moment.
unidentified		Stan Rockies have gone up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stan, I'm going to have to go to news here at the top of the hour.
		Can you hold?
		Sure.
		All right.
		Again, there will be silence till about 06.15 past the hour.
		Stay right where you are.
		Stan in Perth, Australia.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 14, 1995.
		The End
		I'm going to go.
		Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired September 14th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		I'll do my own little intro here.
		We've got Sam Dale.
		He's a very special guest from Perth, Australia.
		We've got him on here all the way from Perth, Australia.
		And he's telling us about craft he's been working on and about things he knows that, frankly, will curl your hair.
		so uh...
unidentified		we're gonna bring him back in just a moment you All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, to recap very briefly, and we're going to have to, this is a man, Stan Dale, who says he was recruited by Edward Keller's man, Dr. James Maxfield, in Dallas in 1971, and went to Australia, did work on flying saucer craft, not theirs, not alien craft, but our craft, craft that we now have and use.
		We've moved from that area, and we're going to retrench there a little bit, into some of the areas, well, actually, he gave me a paragraph here I asked him about, and it says, believe me when I tell you I encourage you in your search for the truth in these matters, but I caution you, ask yourself, what will you do when you find out?
		Will you like the answer?
		Will you wish you had not found out?
		I sometimes wonder what it'd be like to live life in a sort of oblivious, lemming-like pursuit of worldly stimuli, not knowing what to do.
		I asked him what that meant, and it seems to mean much the same thing that Gordon Michael Scallion has been saying.
		Late news, an earthquake in Oklahoma as well.
		You know about the 7.2 in Mexico, a very large quake.
		Thank God, not many killed.
		Now we find one, let me see, it was actually in Oklahoma, about 25 miles south of Medicine Lodge, Kansas, at 6.32 p.m.
		Mountains Daylight Time today.
		4.1, that's absolutely an incredible place.
		We are having earthquakes in strange places.
		Back now to Perth, Australia, and Stan Dale.
		Are you there, Stan?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am, Mark.
		Excellent.
		I've been listening to you, and I'm on the Art Bell channel on the IRC radio chat, and one of your listeners in California has just signed on here by Satellite Link somehow or another, Riverside, California.
		So you've got people out there listening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's absolutely remarkable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which IRC chat channel are you on?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I've set up a channel called Art Bell, A-R-T-P-E-L-L, and I'm the administrator called LaFalcon, L-E.
		Well, you'll see it anyway if you get there.
		Art Bell.
		Just tell them to type in Art Bell on their channel selector, and they can converse with us while we're on air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All the way from Perth, Australia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God, the world is getting very small.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I know, Art.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I'm old enough that I remember it when things weren't this way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So let us quickly retrench, if you wouldn't mind.
		There's such a large new audience out there right now.
		Tell them about the kind of craft we now have in our possession.
		You believe, or actually I pushed you into it, that it began with the Philadelphia experiment, or at least that was the genesis of the technology that you then moved forward with.
		And before we even get into that, let me ask You credential-wise, here is a question from Elaine who says, Would you ask your guest how was he able to start independent work immediately after graduating from the Air Force Academy?
		Most people have a military obligation after graduation.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, tell her that I was in the class at 67, but there were 180 of us who resigned in a protest against the government interfering with our activities at the Academy in 1964.
		I served four years after that in the Air Force Reserve at the Strategic Air Command Base at Fort Worth at Carswell, which meant that I could work in civilian life.
		And so I had a real-world job in the computer industry.
		I trained at IBM and then went into industry in Dallas.
		And I paid for what research I did at home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So a lot of your research was actually very private.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Very private.
		And I wasn't out heading up a big team or anything at that time.
		This is why I couldn't understand how they found out what I was doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so then apparently they did find out that you were dabbling in technology that you say they were doing more than just dabbling in, and they brought you into their wing.
		And by that, you do name names.
		Dr. Maxfield, an associate of Edward Tellers.
		Is that correct?
		That's correct.
		And tell the people one more time, if you would, in the best layman's terms that you can muster up, what kind of craft we have now.
		What are called flying saucers, ours, not theirs.
unidentified		Okay.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		The ones that we have made are in two categories.
		Aircraft, which move the air electrically around the aircraft to make it suck itself forward, or electromagnetically, which uses electricity and magnetism in certain flowing patterns in and around and through the craft to make it move relative to gravity or to inertial fields.
		Is that too technical?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me try this.
		What are these craft capable of?
		What speeds can they attain?
		Can they leave the atmosphere without a problem, and so forth?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		The later craft, the electromagnetic one, yes, they can leave the atmosphere.
		The ones I was designing were limited to atmospheric flight.
		The later stuff that I was shown and later studied could do things that probably the Philadelphia experiment touched upon where you can actually gate between two areas in a very short space of time, almost like dimensional jumping.
		Again, I'm not an expert in that area.
		I only know what I saw in the assembly area and the papers that I was asked to read on the subject at that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this kind of a bending of space or a jumping across, or how would you describe it?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, I'm just looking at the mail coming in over your channel at the moment.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		We've got some very interesting comments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you'll find it very diverting.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, very rude in some cases.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure.
unidentified		All right.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, repeat your question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My question was, was it a bending of space, or is that the way you would describe it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A bending of space, jumping across.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		As far as I can understand, it's in line with what Einstein was postulating, that we can have mass operating in the same area, but at different frequencies.
		Certainly, light can be bent using these pulsed overlapping fields.
		I've seen that myself in the lab.
		Beyond that, I can only guess that it's something like the hyperspace jump that you see in the sci-fi channels or Star Trek or something like that, like a warp of space.
		If that is the case, theoretically, even light is not a limit of velocity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, here's a good question for you also by facts.
		If we have the kind of technology that you are talking about, then, and we've been developing it generally since about the 50s, which is what I believe you said, why in the world did we engage in such an expensive, stupid space race to go to the moon and all the rest of that?
		I mean, was it all a charade?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		No, not entirely.
		Understand, you have to justify or explain R ⁇ D in a lot of areas that we needed for our own technology.
		If you have a bona fide space research program, what you do is you go out to various contractors and say to them, will you make this part or this box to do such and such?
		You have these kind of feeds coming in, and we want these kind of feeds coming out.
		Here are the parameters, go build it and send it to us at this place.
		And so contractors can make things that can be used in both programs or in space research in general, never knowing what the final product looks like when they put it all together.
		So it allows you to get a government or public budget for something that is really not in the open arena.
		It's a black budget legally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you claim when we have ongoing black budgets and black projects that are dealing with and enhancing and continuing to build these craft that so many people see fly?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there going to come a point, Stan, when all of this is going to be made public?
		Is the government, in your view, going to come out and say, all right, people like Stan Deo and so many others have blown it wide open.
		We might as well admit it.
		Will there be the equivalent of the Hazel O'Leary coming out and saying, yes, we poisoned children or whatever?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it will come out.
		And I'm not sure whether it's purely because of my pushing or Stanton Freeman or John Leary and the rest.
		Most of us know each other in this game as far as what information we've been releasing.
		And we're concerned that it will come out in a manner that is not exactly true, but people will believe the lie.
		I got to tell you, look, I'm a student of the Bible and Hebrew and things like that.
		No particular religion.
		I'm just a student of those things.
		And certainly in the Genesis 6 account, there's a lot of discussion about off-worlders, sons of God, Nephilim, this kind of stuff, coming down to earth a long time ago and interacting, interbreeding with our people.
		There are Sumerian records, there are Vedic records, there are Egyptian records.
		You just can't really ignore them.
		So from this particular aspect, I tend to study the Hebrew and Christian prophecies and those Tradamas and a few others that talk about things that could be happening now that we have scientific proof of, if you wish.
		And so I tend to start thinking like maybe these prophecies are correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You are way off in Australia, but apparently you are, through the internet, very well connected.
		I presume you are familiar with the story of Bob Lazar.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I've seen his tapes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Good.
		Bob Lazar also describes technology somewhat similar to what you are describing.
		He claims to have worked on or claims to have been back engineering what he thought, I say again, what he thought were alien spacecraft.
		Is it possible that what he was working on was an experiment of a craft that is indeed ours, not theirs?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Possible, but look, I tend to believe that we have other beings here.
		Understand before 1952, we didn't have these things, but we had reports of them.
		I mean, there have been reports and sightings and contacts for hundreds of years in our history.
		The crash in 1898, I think it was, in Texas of the UFO that hit the water tower in that small town and came down, these things would indicate that they've been here before we built them.
		So he may have actually been back engineering some little critter's craft.
		I don't know.
		The biblical accounts and the Vedic accounts and the Sumerian accounts talk about humanoids with superpowers, so they look like us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you there?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Say again?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you there?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sorry.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		We just had a glitch on the line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		So you consider it possible there are others here, and yet at the same time, you're telling us straight out that we have this technology, we have these craft, we've had them for some time, and if not all, then a good bunch of the ones that people see fly, and I'm pretty well believing that people see these things because I've seen one myself.
		Yes, I'm sorry to say I have.
		I was almost afraid to admit it publicly, Stan, but I have seen it.
		I saw a triangular craft that floated just above my head, and there's no mistaking.
		It was close.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		You sure it wasn't Venus or the moon or Swamp Cath?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, Stan.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I'm teasing.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I'm teasing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Believe me, I saw it.
		And I'm taking a lot of heat for that, for admitting that I did, but I did.
		I live near Area 51.
		You think that Area 51 is not the center of the kind of activity that we've been talking about anymore.
		Is that correct?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know if it ever was, but certainly I do know that when we have a secret project, we don't hang a sign up and says, this is a secret project.
		Please don't come in here or we'll shoot you.
		I mean, you never even know it exists.
		It could be like a bakery shop or a pigglywiggly delivery place, and you'd never know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Now I want to move to another area quickly, and that is that tricky little paragraph about finding out things I might not want to know.
		And you said, well, this would cause people to panic or to begin to stockpile things or to move.
		Specifically, Stan, what do you believe is about to happen?
unidentified		Well, okay.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Scientifically, or at least analyzing data and trying to extrapolate it, I see that we are moving into extreme periods of earthquake and volcanic activity on the planet, things that we have not seen in a long, long, long time.
		The United States is going to suffer a great deal in the West Coast, up the New Madrid fault line, and in Florida.
		Europe is, North Africa, Northwest Africa, Spain, and the Mediterranean is also going to suffer a great deal of activity.
		Japan is probably going to be hit the worst.
		I can see the heat patterns building up under it on the satellite photos.
		In my guess, and this is certainly just a guess, I'm not an expert there, I would say that in the immediate future, talking in months, we're going to see some earthquake activity in Japan that will be astounding.
		I don't know when Scallion's forecast has put the great Japanese earthquakes, but certainly we have graphs here that show traditional periods of activity.
		And there's one in mid-October, one in mid-November, one in late to mid-December, and then we skip over to January, mid-to-late January, and then a dead period for a while.
		So I'm watching that area very closely for the next four months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so that people might understand how you are reaching these conclusions.
		These are pretty frightening things.
		what is going on with the earth or what is man doing or what is happening that's going to precipitate this uh...
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, man is not responsible for all of this.
		We're talking large dynamics here, planetary dynamics.
		The Sun itself has done something rather strange.
		And over the last five years, solar physicists have noticed new frequencies coming out of the Sun.
		It emits characteristic frequencies all the time.
		And one particular study has suggested that a couple of these higher frequencies are being absorbed by plankton, or phytoplankton in the ocean, or various other suspended solids in the ocean, and is causing abnormal heating.
		This, in turn, breeds more of these phytoplankton and archaeobacteria and various other things that they're breeding, which absorbs more heat.
		And then the water actually changes density when it gets hot.
		And so you have cold water versus hot water densities, which is putting differential pressures on the surface of the earth, causing more earthquake stress.
		Now this is from a Japanese paper on the subject in the last year.
		So I look at these things and try to take the NASA data feed that we can get a hold of and build it into graphic pictures so that we can understand it at a glance.
		I wish there was a way that we could show you that because I can certainly send it to you if you have some kind of a web page and you could share it with folks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do have a web page.
unidentified		Do you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you go to the web browser, if you go to the web browser and simply enter Art Bell, it will take you right there.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		Okay, well, I'll do that.
		And I won't do it just now.
		I'll have to do it if we get off the aircraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, please, yes.
		All right.
		Now, I would like to let the audience ask you a couple of questions.
		They're very, obviously very anxious to do that.
		So I'm going to put it with what time we have left, and I'm going to carry it till the top of the hour.
bette midler ▲ ● ▼		All right.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Do you want me to read any of the questions they've been asking over the IRC?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Because my board is absolutely flooded here with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure it is.
		Sure.
		If you want to answer a couple of the good ones, go ahead.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		There's a guy named Tremor, T-R-E-M-O-R.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I would rather not use any last names.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		No, this is all nicknames.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		You know how they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, go ahead.
bette midler ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Tremor has dialed in.
		Could you on the air tell us if these craft have gone into space?
		Answer, yes.
		They certainly have.
		Sorry, just another one of those rude questions came across.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I encourage you, even though the internet is fun and all, and chat channels are fun, it will be diverting for you to try to concentrate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you really ought to sort of not concentrate on that for a while.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'll turn them off.
		We'll look at it later.
		Take your phone calls.
		We'll go by the phone lines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's do that.
		All right, here we go.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air, believe it or not, with Standeo in Perth, Australia.
unidentified		Oh, hi.
unidentified		How are we going?
bette midler ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		My name's Joe.
unidentified		I'm from Aurora Brandy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
unidentified		I was wondering, the craft that you're working on, do they, how do gravity A and gravity B waves correspond with the electromagnetic propulsion that you're talking about?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Are you speaking in terms of what Bob Lazar presented, are you?
bette midler ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I had not used terminology like Bob is doing, and I don't know Bob.
		But my understanding of how these fields, the new fields work, and I certainly haven't gotten mine to work yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very quickly.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Is that one of the three vectors of overlapping magnetic fields is opened, and the other two cancel in two right-angle fields, which produces thrust in the Earth's field.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		That's very simplified, but I hope that says something to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know that it said anything to me, but it sounds like if it's true, that somebody's going to come and see you pretty soon with a suit on, Stan.
		I'm at the bottom of the hour, so hold on down under there.
		All right?
		That's San Deo in Perth, Australia.
		We'll come back and do another half hour with your questions.
unidentified		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 14, 1995.
		Coast AM from September
		Coast AM from September 14, 1995.
		14, 1995.
bette midler ▲ ● ▼		Coast AM from September 14, 1995.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
unidentified		Tonight, an on-court presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 14th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning from the high desert.
		I'm Art Bell.
		I have a very special guest online all the way from Perth, Australia.
		His name is Stan Dale.
		He's got a lot of very incredible things to say.
		and in just a moment we're going to get back to him.
		I must tell you, I'm getting faxes at a rate that I couldn't possibly handle.
		Just a couple of them for you.
		Stan, are you there?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back to Perth, Australia.
		All right, here is one fax.
		Hello, Art.
		Like your guest, I know of him.
		I was in a group that designed the simulators, disc simulators, signed anonymous with no fax header.
		Does that sound right to you?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, what can I say?
		I don't know who it could have been.
		Certainly, I have a couple people in mind, but I don't know that they would do a thing like that, or over the year, I mean, anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they signed it anonymous, and there's no way I could trace it.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		It might be somebody just trying to have a bit of fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, maybe.
		Then this.
		Hi, Art.
		Please continue to prompt your guest on the things that we may not want to know.
		Thanks, Jeff in Las Vegas.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Well, look, can I go for it here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go for it.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Art, disregarding my history with the government and the flying disc research and all that kind of stuff, if you just start Back probably 18 years ago when I started researching why things were being covered up and what was really happening behind the scenes in the world in various areas, I came across some Christian folk and some Jewish folks, some rabbis and things that I studied with.
		And what has amazed me over the last 18 years is that my scientific research has shown that it is very probable, almost immediately, that things that these prophecies have been talking about will be happening to our planet.
		And to give you an example of this, what I'm going to tell you about, I can see happening from scientific evidence in our next decade sometime.
		Massive earthquake increases in diverse places all over the planet.
		A comet hitting the Earth in the oceans and polluting the water and a lot of the rivers around the area and killing a lot of sea life and marine travelers at the time.
		The Earth actually rocking on its axis, possibly shifting its magnetic polar orientation at the moment.
		The sun actually going dark either from a dark cloud or dust cloud coming in between it and us, or from the sun emitting particles in the solar wind, which is certainly okay at the moment, but could become unstable.
		All of these things are mentioned in Christian and Nostradamus and various other prophecies, Mother Shipton in England, as you would have seen possibly if you read Nexus Magazine in the States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, well, what bothers me, what unnerves me terribly, is that I hear it from Gordon Michael Scallion.
		I hear it from others who would call themselves prophets or visionaries or intuitives or whatever.
		It doesn't matter.
		It's just a name.
		And then I hear it from people like you who are basing it not so much on a prophecy of any sort, biblical or otherwise, but scientific evidence.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I know, and believe me, Art, people can interpret scientifically data in about a zillion different ways.
		I have tried to be as objective about it as I can.
		I hate being labeled a prophet or something like that, but I cannot ignore the increase in all the disasters.
		It has happened as we thought it would so far, and I'm concerned that people will not understand what the whole thing is about on the planet before it gets them.
		That's why I wrote the books.
		You know, I've tried to explain a lot more.
		In fact, a lot of the questions that are being answered are asked over the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, you're in Australia now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How will Australia fare in these large earth changes?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Our west coast is probably going to suffer a bit of water damage, possibly a fracture line almost down the middle of the country.
		Certainly, I can see evidence of it on the stress charts.
		The northeastern Australian area, up near the Indonesian islands and New Zealand and the Solomons, will suffer tidal wave or tsunami damage and possibly some quakes as this progresses, because that whole area is just terribly active.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, and so that we all understand how you're predicting this again, you're looking at charts that show you heating in places that you interpret to mean a magma shift is going on, a major magma shift.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that correct?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I think that's what's causing it, yes.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I'm also analyzing USGS earthquake data from the United States Geophysical Service on a daily basis, and I have a way to present the data graphically that lets us see a little bit more of the patterns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's go to the phones again.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, all right.
		This is Karen in Houston, and hey, Stan.
		I've read some of what you've written, and I've been a long time wanting to talk to you, fella.
		There's an organization here in Houston, and it's akin to MUFON.
		And I've dropped in on some of their meetings, and out of their little library, I checked out one of your books.
		And I would like to ask you something very simple, but you don't have to respond if you don't want to.
		All right.
		I've been very concerned about this topic.
		I'm like you.
		I read everything I can get my hands on and talk to everybody I can.
		When it comes to the grand experiment, is that part of what you're talking about as far as those who are hovering above us?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		It's not so much an experiment as it is a resolution of a conflict that occurred out there.
unidentified		Now, one moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One moment, please.
		Both of you, I don't know what you're both talking about.
		Who wants to explain it?
unidentified		Let Karen.
		Well, are we talking about the same thing now, Stan?
		Above the 33rd?
		33rd level?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I think we're discussing it, but go ahead and explain to the audience.
unidentified		Go ahead.
		Well, something I read that had your name on it as being the author of it, it was a booklet kind of a thing talking about the Masonic Order and those above the 33rd level.
		And I have talked with a world traveler who has told me that the 34th and 35th are the ones who will come out and will take charge of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Listen, let's hold it there.
		I think we've got enough to know what she was, the road she was going down.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Karen, to start with, I don't recognize the article that you're saying.
		I mean, certainly if it has my name on it, it doesn't necessarily mean I wrote it.
		We have been finding a lot of stuff that people have been trying to write on my behalf floating around.
		I am aware of the Masonic organizations around the planet, particularly the Grand Orient Lodge in Europe and their relationship to the so-called Illuminati or the New World Order.
		Certainly, I still hold to that position, but the conflict I'm talking about is what in the Bible Belt we call the angelic conflict or the conflict up in the heavens out there amongst the beings that created us back in the Garden of Eden type experiment or courtroom or whatever.
		That is where I would be coming from, Karen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		On the first time caller line, you're on the air with Stan Dale.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Stan Skecko.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		Reno.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, turn your radio off.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Go ahead.
		Do you have a question?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's not turning his radio off, so we're moving on.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Dale.
		Hello.
unidentified		This is Escanito Cogo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'd like to ask your guest why he was expelled from the Air Force Academy.
		I believe he said that.
		Whether he has any scientific degrees or achievements, and why would we work in Australia on a classified U.S. aircraft?
		I know of only one based there at the Dallas Springs, which is a listening post once run by TRW.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, stay on the line and let them answer, Stan.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		First question, I resigned, as did 180 others.
		If you look at the newspapers of the time in 1964, you'll see that 180 cadets resigned.
		The first press release was that we were cheating on exams.
		The U.S. government later recanted and admitted that we'd had a disciplinary disagreement with U.S. Air Force for becoming involved in cadet activities to the point of hypnosis.
		And we had passed our final exams or like waived them because we refused to take them if they didn't get out of our affairs.
unidentified		Wait a minute.
unidentified		You say you were expelled for hypnosis?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		No, we quit.
		We resigned because we were tired of the Air Force being involved in our cadet activities to the point of hypnotizing us and using high-speed flash queuing and things which we didn't volunteer for.
		There were a number of other issues as well, but this is what we resigned over, and there were members of all classes that resigned, and it was such a big scandal that they just swept under the carpet.
		So after that, I didn't finish and get a degree.
		I studied on my own bat wherever I was.
		And certainly you are correct.
		TRW was one of the contractors and may still be at Alice Springs at Pine Gap.
		But it's a DARPA project that the Navy primarily controlled in the beginning with MHD stuff.
unidentified		Why would they work in Australia rather than the United States?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, because there's a lot of open space down here to do research and what we wanted to do, and there wasn't as much chance of running into people like there would be in the States.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		There's just not many places, even Arizona, that are quite as isolated as we are down here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would make sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is one of the most isolated, I think you dub it the most isolated city in the world, Stan?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		And to the caller there, the Alice Springs facility is only one of five bases that we have down here that I'm aware of.
		And it's in the middle of a desert that is in the area where they are is an Aboriginal reserve, and you're not even allowed on that reserve.
		It's like Indian Reservation Territory, and you can't even get close.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on there with Stan Deo in Perth, Australia.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Don Wichita, and I wanted to ask if your guest, Dan, has read Holy Blood, Holy Grail.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have.
unidentified		An young question would be, you know, Saddam Hussein's dealings with France prior to the Gulf War, getting nuclear reactors, do you think he understands the relationship of southern France and then Jerusalem and has some insights into technologies that we may not want him to know?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I'll probably get a hand flap for this, but I think so.
		I know that he thought Hitler hung the moon.
		He studied everything about him, including his esoteric scientists.
		So yes, I think he does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First time caller line.
		You are Dan calling from San Antonio, Texas.
unidentified		San Antonio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And I want to ask Dan if he I know Lear has some feelings about a demonic aspect to this and Nario Hakawa seems to be heading in the same direction in terms of biblical prophecy.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I agree with Nario.
unidentified		And I wanted you to address specifically the relationship of the government's involvement with what might be that particular aspect first, and then second, whether there's a dual aspect to the otherworldliness of the situation.
unidentified		And I'll just listen to it on the phone.
bette midler ▲ ● ▼		Thanks.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		On the radio.
		Okay, thank you.
		If I understand correctly what you said, the government's participation in this is a very confusing one at the moment.
		It is comprised of a lot of people of differing philosophies.
		From the biblical aspect, there are a lot of us, including Nario, I think, that are seeing that the prophecies which speak of Babylon, the new Babylon of this age, does include the United States, if not particularly target the United States as the Babylon of this age, which is not a good thing because it tells people who are members of that community, of Babylon, to get out of it so they are not afflicted by the same judgments that are going to strike that land.
		Now, again, this is interpreting prophecy and code from a long time ago.
		We may be wrong, but that is where we're heading.
		That government, our government, the U.S. government, may actually be in charge of the new Babylon, the confusion of this age.
		So the second question, Art, can you remember the second question?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I certainly can't.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		It slipped my mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That one floated away.
		That was a tough answer.
		Hi, Art.
		Chilling, very chilling.
		Would you spell Stan's last name?
		It is D-E-Y-O.
		And you mentioned that you've got an, what, a website, Stan?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Not yet.
		I have an email.
		Do we give them that or not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you want to give an email address there in Perth, Australia, go ahead.
unidentified		All right.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		It's one word, S-T-A-N-D-E-Y-O at sign I-I-N-E-T period N E T period A U. A U at the end?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's for Australia.
bette midler ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
		Well, I hope everybody got that.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Dale.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		This is Tim in San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I just want to ask, if this has been going on for so long, you know, we haven't, how come it hasn't been leaked earlier than that?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it has.
		I mean, there have been a lot of people like Professor James McDonald that suicided out in Arizona hospital and he tried to leak information.
		People like, what was the physicist over in Florida, connected with the Vero project anyway.
		There have been enough people that tried to leak it very hard and just got aced.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right, so how come you're not worried about being aced?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I was in the beginning.
		I certainly, I ran in this country when I broke with my controllers and, you know, grew a beard and used a couple of somewhat clever techniques to hide for a few months until I figured out how I was going to fight them.
		And then I came out and I published names.
		I name names without any question about it.
		I named names and places and people.
		And to this day, I've never heard from them.
		They've gone to ground and tucked your tail between your legs because they don't want any publicity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, they figured once it's out, the best road is to leave you alone.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Either that or to help me and perhaps feed me data that would steer me the way they wanted to go.
		I don't know.
		I've been very aware of that possibility as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Deo in Perth, Australia.
unidentified		This is Ernie in Mississippi?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Mississippi, yes.
unidentified		Yes.
		You mentioned earthquake on the New Magrud Fault.
		Can you tell me how far south that goes?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I don't have the map in front of me, but I would say in Mississippi it would be, from what I've seen on the USGS chart, certainly you can get it, it would be north of you, but the damage from the change of the course of the Mississippi may be the problem in the south.
		Again, I'm not a prophet.
		I'm just kind of estimating from where I see fault lines appearing up north of you there.
		There's intense activity north of you, probably one state away, as I recall.
		I hesitate to tell people to start packing their bags and moving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, judging from what you've said, thank you in Mississippi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Judging from what you've said, where would people move to, Stan?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I don't have an answer to that.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I think it's time people kind of start looking at their spirituality and wonder what they do in the next life, because I don't think that there's going to be a lot of safe places on the planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you, very much like John Lear, would advise people to enjoy your life, enjoy your families, and don't look too hard at what's ahead because you might not want to know.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Certainly I would advise you to enjoy your life and your families, but on the other hand, I would encourage you to give some thought that if such a thing, if it does happen in your lifetime, is there an afterlife?
		Do we go on beyond this and explore this?
		Certainly, you know, these are areas I've talked about in the magazine and in the books because I think it's important.
		At this point, we cannot avoid what is coming.
		We've got to look at whether we're going to live after we die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, that's the best thing to look forward to because the cataclysm that's coming is coming.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		There are things we haven't even begun to discuss about new money systems and things that I know are in place and are about to be put down on us across the planet that are, again, biblical prophecy.
		And that is not a natural disaster.
		That's a man-made catastrophe.
		There are just so many things that make it unbearable if you don't have a life after this.
		There's not a lot to look forward to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		We're about out of time, Stan.
		Our internet addresses are very difficult.
		Give it one more time.
unidentified		All right.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		S-T-A-N-D-E-Y-O.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		At sign, that's a little A with a curly around it.
unidentified		Right.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		II N E T full stop, or what do you call it, period.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		N E T period A U. And that will get that will get emailed to you.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yes, probably zillions of emails, but anyway, yes, I'll try to answer them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What time is it there now in Australia?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		It is now 3.56 in the afternoon on Friday.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		We have sampled your day, and it's going to be a nice day from what we see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stan, I cannot thank you enough.
		It has been fascinating.
		I don't know what to believe.
		But I'm a good listener, and you certainly are a good teller of stories.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to send you some photographic data for you to use on your webpage.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		It's the only way I know that we can share it with the folks, and I'll certainly do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I certainly will share it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stan?
unidentified		Thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		From Perth, Australia.
		Now is Stan Dale.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's going to cause you to swallow hard a couple of times.
		When we come back, we'll switch gears.
		I've got a big announcement coming up.
		Don't go away.
unidentified		You're listening to Arkbell, somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
unidentified		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 14, 1995.
bette midler ▲ ● ▼		Coast to Coast AM from September
unidentified		14, 1995.
		Coast to Coast AM from September 14, 1995.
		Coast to Coast AM from September 14, 1995.
		You're listening to Workbells somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 14th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You may begin to learn that I'm not like other talk show hosts.
		I do things that are different.
		I concentrate not only on current events, world news, politics, but a lot of other things.
		And I have a lot of curiosities and I follow them.
		And this is yet another case of that.
		This involves a man who sent me a, actually again, it was email yesterday.
		And here's what he sent me.
		I own an air conditioning business, and I've been trained in the effects of CFC venting.
		I tried desperately to get hold of you this morning, but was unsuccessful due to the 800 lines crashing.
		Yeah.
		That's another subject we'll cover.
		Please call me tonight at blah, blah, blah, between 11 and 3 Central Time, and I'd be elated to fill in my fellow listeners on the facts concerning the hole in the ozone layer.
		This is a very serious problem, and it needs to be addressed with high regards.
unidentified		Pat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of conservatives, I am not one of them, incidentally, think that the whole ozone layer thing is a bunch of absolute horse elimination and that there is no, well, there is a hole in the ozone, but it's no big deal.
		Now, the other day, the UN, through U.S. satellite imagery, detected the hole over the Antarctic to be the size, they said, of Europe.
		We then got a report saying that the ozone depletion over the U.S. since the mid-1950s is 10%.
		That, if true, is really serious.
		Now, I know that a lot of you out there think it's a bunch of bunk.
		Let's talk to somebody in the business and see what he thinks.
		So here he comes.
		His name is Pat.
		Pat, do you want to give your last name on the air?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in New Orleans, right?
unidentified		Yeah, W O D T. And W Houdet.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pat, if you would, you say that this ozone layer hole is a real problem.
unidentified		Yeah, absolutely.
		They haven't proven that Freon causes this problem, but they have eliminated every other possibility.
		So I guess that's just their way of saying that's it, but we're not going to say we've proved it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, let's back up a little bit before we get to Freon and CFCs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The ozone layer or the ozone layer above us, do you believe the figures the scientists give us about a 10% depletion above North America?
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do?
		Absolutely.
		Do you believe them when they say the size of the measured size of the hole above the Antarctic is the size of Europe bigger than ever previously been measured?
unidentified		Without a doubt, and it's only going to get bigger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the best evidence that would suggest that you've learned that CFCs are the culprit?
unidentified		Well, the way they do it is it takes 10 to 15 years for them to get up there.
		That's the even the scariest part because we don't even know what's going to happen in 10 to 15 years from what's already been vented before we had to not do it at all.
		Although there are people doing it.
		But anyway, the carbon atoms, once they reach ultraviolet rays, are broken away from the freon, from the chloro to fluoromethane, and they become singular.
		And what they do is steal an oxygen atom away from ozone, which is O3, turning it into oxygen.
		And then they let that oxygen atom go, and they grab another, and then another.
		And one carbon atom can destroy millions of ozone atoms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One carbon atom can destroy millions of ozone atoms.
		Well, what creates, what created, or maybe I'm beyond your scope here, but the ozone layer now that shields us from some of the harmful radiation from the sun, how is that maintained?
		Lightning, I know when we have a lightning strike, that creates ozone.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that ozone that enters the layer then?
unidentified		I'm not really sure.
		I know that up until 50 years ago, there wasn't any problem with it.
		There wasn't any global warming.
		And mass production of air conditioning started about 50 years ago, and thinning started then, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the problem has been measurably larger in that period of time.
		So you don't think it's a bunch of ideological baloney.
		You think it is a real danger?
unidentified		Absolutely, because you can imagine just one carbon atom can kindle.
		They don't know how long it stays up there before it's destroyed itself.
		There could be carbon atoms at work that were put up there in the 1950s, still to this day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let us, for the sake of discussion, say that CFCs are the culprit.
		What do we have to look forward to?
		Are we still venting at a rate that will produce destruction, or have we changed enough, for example, in your business, air conditioning, so that the whole thing is going to get bad, maybe a little worse, and then get better?
unidentified		Well, what we have to worry about are the third world countries and second world countries who aren't abounded by any restrictions that the U.N. may bring about, and definitely the U.S. has the strictest.
		I don't tend any longer.
		There are people in the business who do.
		It still goes on, but we have to worry about all these countries coming up that are industrializing, that are still allowed to make the stuff and produce it, and it will be high demand because of the U.N. restrictions on it.
		And everybody else is going to do it anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did they teach you in school about the effects of the thinning ozone?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, what does it mean to us?
unidentified		In a nutshell, it means we're going to get cooked by the sun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, cooked?
unidentified		Well, if the ozone layer is depleted to the point where it doesn't protect us from the sun's rays, the planet's going to get warmer.
		If nothing else, cancer, skin Cancer is going to run rampant.
		It'll just be a long, slow deterioration of the planet, I believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Pat, you're outside.
		Everybody should know you're outside.
		I take it you do your business at this time of the morning.
unidentified		No, actually, I'm Moonlight.
unidentified		I have a newspaper out.
bette midler ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		I'm going to go get it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, how many, what percentage of people in your business, since you haven't given your last name, you can surely tell us, in this country, do you think are illegally still venting Freon CFCs?
unidentified		At least 20%.
		Oh, great.
		Like all other things, the federal government doesn't have the money to enforce their laws, and a lot of people know this, and they're just continuing to do it.
		You can fall within their guidelines and still get away with it.
		That's definitely possible.
		You know, cover your tracks even, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Why would it, let me understand, why would it be to anybody's advantage to go ahead and vent it instead of, well, what is done with it?
		What do you do with it?
unidentified		Well, we're supposed to suck it out of the equipment with a separate compressor and a portable machine into a drum, and then we turn it in and it's reclaimed and then recycled and put back up for sale.
		We don't really get anything for turning it in, though, except the extra time, but we get to do it.
		It takes a lot more time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why then not, remember early in our childhoods, Pat, when the landscape was littered with Coke bottles and Pepsi bottles, and they started giving a return, a few cents return.
		All of a sudden, there were people out there picking this stuff up.
		If they were to offer you some amount of money, some incentive, to recycle this stuff, would that change it?
unidentified		Well, actually, at first they did.
		They were paying us pennies on the pound for it, but it was something.
		And now they've had such a low turnover, I guess they're not making money that they've started.
		They've switched from that and started charging us, handling charge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, in other words, there's actually a disincentive then.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful.
		Hold on just a moment, Pat.
		We'll be right back to you.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to Pat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pat, are you there?
unidentified		Right here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I would like to let a couple of people who, you know, whenever we discuss this subject, Pat, I get a lot of very angry faxes saying, oh, my God, you bought into this whole UN business about the ozone, and it's such a lie.
		The American people are being lied to.
		It's the liberals trying to change our industrial nation into something else.
		And I'd like to give a couple of those people, if they want to, an opportunity to ask you a question or two or challenge you.
unidentified		Absolutely.
unidentified		Bring them on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bring them on, huh?
		Okay, folks, you know the numbers.
		Pat is here.
		He says this is real.
		Let's do that.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air with Pat in New Orleans.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Yeah, this is Pete Month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And I have a question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		It actually relates to the previous guest, Mr. Spondale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sorry, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The previous guest is gone.
unidentified		How did that happen?
unidentified		Because it sounded like he was coming back on again, or in fact he was holding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, he was not holding.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Could I get the phone number for him where I could get his two bucks, please?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, he never gave that.
		He gave an internet address, sir, and that's what you're going to have to use.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Pat in New Orleans.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm calling from Montana, listening to you on 1510.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I understand from some scientists and from Scallion Volt that Pinatubo and other volcanoes are putting so much more stuff into the atmosphere that's detrimental to the ozone layer that what we're doing is just dropping the bucket.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a good point or a good question and one that is most frequently raised, Pat.
		They say, look, CFCs are nothing.
		Volcanoes are throwing enough up there to do in the ozone.
unidentified		Well, my reply to that is over five years or less, the volcanic fallout has gone from the ozone and it's able to recover.
unidentified		On the other hand, carbon from the CFCs remains up there indefinitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indefinitely.
unidentified		Well, they haven't figured out how long it's lasted and it's a growing problem.
unidentified		So it must be an extended amount of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I struggle with this, Pat, also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you went to school for all this, and they taught you about all this, how definitive were they in their belief that it was CFCs that were doing the damage?
unidentified		Well, like I said before, they basically told us we have eliminated all other possibilities.
		There is nothing else going on in the world that could get that much.
		They know carbon is the problem, the carbon atom stealing the oxygen atom from the ozone.
		But they just will not come out and say that the CFC binning is doing it, although the EPA did get pretty hardline about it, and we came under regulation, quite hard regulation, all at once.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Pat in New Orleans.
		Would have been.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Pat in New Orleans.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, is this Randy in Oklahoma City?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Randy.
unidentified		Hi.
		And I work with ozone at the Oklahoma City water treatment plants.
		First pilot plants there.
		But in any case, now the ozone is replenished in their outer atmosphere.
		It's from the ultraviolet light that creates it.
		Whenever you run off your, at the copying machine, you'll get that scent.
		That's ozone scent.
		And I just want to throw that into you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so you're saying copying machines and that sort of thing?
unidentified		Yeah, they do create it, but that won't go to the atmosphere and help build that up because it won't last very long.
unidentified		And the lightning also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I've heard of projects that actually talked about launching rockets or even launching rockets from high-altitude aircraft to try and replenish the ozone that is in the ozone layer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you heard about that, Pat?
unidentified		Yeah, I did hear something about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So maybe we'd better begin thinking about something like that.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Pat New Orleans.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		I'm calling from Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		My question is this.
		Is there anything that will correct the fact that the ozone is depleting?
		Is there anything we can do?
		Will it ever get done?
		Are we just going to head on on the same course that we're having where we're just going to deplete it entirely?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a tough question for a guy in the air conditioning business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead, Pat.
unidentified		If we all stop today and not another pound was vented into the atmosphere, 10 or 15 years down the road, what we had left might start building back up.
		But from all evidence I've seen, we're definitely not, as United States citizens, and well, the United States companies will stop, but the second and third world countries won't.
		They'll grow from it and we'll die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Suppose, what did they tell you, Pat, about the complete loss of our ozone layer?
		Suppose we were to actually lose our ozone layer.
		It depleted and went away.
		Could we survive?
unidentified		I really don't believe we could.
		Maybe if we went underground, possibly.
		I don't think we could live underground very long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another thing that I've never fully understood, Pat, is the relationship between the depleting ozone layer and general global warming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there supposedly a relationship?
unidentified		There is evidence that points to that.
		I believe it all ties in, though.
		I believe the ozone is depleting, and that's causing that, and also the increased seismic activity, and everything you talked about tonight, really.
		It all ties in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I had this funny feeling you might say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Pat in New Orleans.
unidentified		Hi, Pat.
		How you doing?
		All right.
		Both of you.
		I live at 19 degrees north latitude, about 155 degrees west longitude.
		There's a volcano out here called Kilauea.
		And it's been erupting for 14 years.
		Every day it pumps out over 500 tons of hydrogen sulfide.
		And when the lava gets down to the ocean, it produces hydrogen chloride.
		All that stuff is going into the atmosphere over the last, well, since 83.
		So CFPs, is it like the colours that drop in a bucket?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you just, you don't believe the whole thing?
unidentified		No, I don't think that CFPs would probably be good for the ozone there.
		You don't realize the amount that are being bent it off of.
		Bakeries and big factories sometimes spent thousands and thousands or even hundreds of thousands of pounds a day just because it's cost-effective for them to do that other than shut down and repair the leaks.
		Well, the volcano, as I just told you, for the last since 83, January 3rd, 1983, hundreds of tons a day coming out of Kilauea into the atmosphere.
		But how long does that stuff stay up there?
		That's the question.
		Well, it makes it, well, so far today, we've had kind of no winds around the big island down here.
		And we have a phenomenon called Vog.
		And it's been hanging around, it makes it look like Los Angeles, unfortunately, until the trade winds come.
		And we're talking hundreds of times more pollutants into the air from not only from Tinatubo, but there's other volcanoes around the ring of fire.
		There was one that went off down the South Pacific a couple months ago making New Island.
		And there's just plenty of them.
		The CFCs are just, like we say, thousands of pounds.
		No comparison to hundreds of tons every day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, okay, well, I appreciate the call, obviously, from the large island of Hawaii.
		He's saying, in essence, what a lot of conservatives argue, that what man does is just absolutely nothing compared to what Mother Nature is doing.
		How do you argue with that, Pat?
unidentified		Well, let me say this.
		Volcanoes erupt, and most of what comes out of them stays in the lower atmosphere.
		It doesn't reach the upper ozone, where the ultraviolet rays are constantly building and destroying ozone.
		The carbon atom actually raises very stably.
		That's the problem with the Freon.
		It's so stable, it stays together for so long that it finally reaches the upper echelon and finally gets broken apart.
		All the damage is being done from the outside in by the carbon atoms.
		Whereas everything the planet is doing is happening from the inside out, and most of the effects come back down to the planet rather than go up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And one might also argue that volcanism has been going on and was, in fact, more active, I suppose, many years before we ever even thought to measure or even look at the ozone layer.
		So if that was depleting and killing it, why it ought to be gone by now.
		Really?
		So, listen, Pat, I thank you for joining us.
		I'm going to run along because I've got a newscast coming up, but I really did want to hear from somebody in the business.
		You're in the business, and that's your view.
		And it's funny, I would have thought that somebody in your business would have thought this whole ozone thing was a big conspiracy to cost a lot of people a lot of money and, you know, go to other substances to air condition.
		And there's a million conspiracy theories out there, but you don't think it's a conspiracy, do you?
unidentified		Well, at first, most of us did.
		But once we learned about it and saw the facts and were presented with all the evidence, a lot of us made the decision that it really was the problem.
		And I don't want to be a part of destroying the rozone layer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pat, thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		That's Pat.
		He's in the air conditioning business in the big easy Hudat country.
		And I thought I'd bring him on and let him tell you what he thinks.
		As for me, I just don't know.
		We'll be back.
unidentified		You're listening to workbells somewhere in time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 14, 1995.
bette midler ▲ ● ▼		Coast AM from September
unidentified		Coast AM from September 14, 1995.
		14, 1995.
		Coast AM from September 14, 1995.
		You're listening to Arkfell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 14th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got another facts here on the ozone, and I'm going to read it to you.
		And if you want to argue with it, you're welcome to.
		I don't think I do.
		I think this business on the ozone is one that I buy into.
		I do believe the depletion is measurable, has been measured.
		Some of our best scientists agree that it is occurring.
		I don't know that it's CFCs, and I can't guarantee it's not volcanoes.
		I just think that the measurements of the depletion are real.
		And therefore, we as the people who walk around down here need to pay attention to it.
		I'll get to the facts in just a moment.
		It's very interesting.
		And I also want to mention that our network has made a decision, a very bold decision, to publish some of the most incredible photographs you've ever seen in your whole life.
		The photographs of the crash debris at Roswell slash Socorro, I have no idea what to call it, and I don't know what crash it is.
		I can tell you this.
		In the photographs, you will see the I-beams with the glyph inscriptions on them.
		In the other photograph, you will see the panels from the boxes designed to be used by creatures with six fingers.
		These will be clear, distinct photographs.
		They will shock you.
		They will add to the credibility of the Roswell photographs that we published the previous month.
		If you order now, and of course we're way ahead on this now, but if you order now, you will indeed get that issue.
		And you call the same number to get our newsletter, which is presently $29.95 for a year.
		That price is going up.
		It's a damn good time to order.
		The number, again, same number, to order a program or to order the newsletter is 1-800-917-4278.
		All right, here we go.
		Very quickly, there has been a big, they say, break in Bosnia.
		The Serbs, in a late-night breakthrough, apparently have agreed to pull their guns back from Sarajevo.
		They say they can do it in six days.
		We have agreed to a 72-hour cessation in the bombing.
		Now, if this leads to a comprehensive peace, it was announced that this is what scares the hell out of me, and I have been telling you this right along, but it is now announced that 18,000 American soldiers will be required to go into Bosnia to police the peace.
		In other words, once we have successfully bombed them into an agreement to divide what used to be Yugoslavia into ethnic areas, 18,000 Americans will be required to go and keep the peace forever, I guess.
		Because all of history teaches us the moment we leave, the moment the iron pist, whether it's ours, as in NATO's, or the Soviet Union's, which is what used to keep the peace over there, the moment that hand leaves, the ethnic war will begin again.
		So, to me, it looks as though we are one step closer to solidifying what is going to be absolute madness for America.
		And I'm sorry to have to tell you.
		So we may have bombed them into a sort of temporary submission.
		And then we're going to have to send our men over there to police all this.
		And we're going to be liked there about as much as the British are liked In Ireland, we are making a terrible, terrible mistake.
		Now, with regard to what you heard from Australia earlier and what you heard from not quite a layman, a man in the air conditioning business about CFCs and the ozone and all the rest of it and the global warming and stand talked about the hot spots that he can verify and has verified and the earth changes coming and all the rest of it.
		Earthquakes in the center of the country yesterday, not big ones.
		South of Mexico City, a really big one.
		7.2 on the Richter scale.
		You in California know what's been going on in Central California, a rash of small earthquakes.
		We are, in my opinion, and I'm not a visionary, I'm just a guy who interviews people.
		Some of them strange, some of them believable, some not, but they all seem to point in the same general direction of something building.
		Whether you want to talk about somebody, the quality of Gordon Michael Scallion, or any of the myriad of other guests that I've had on, don't you feel it?
		Don't you feel it?
		I do.
		We're building towards something.
		It is, indeed, for the lack of a better word, a quickening, some kind of quickening.
		And I've been getting faxes all day long on the earthquakes, the hurricanes.
		Hurricane Maryland, by the way, now gathering strength and speed past Barbados and Martinique, headed toward the same poor islands that took a battering last week.
		We are having one of the worst hurricane seasons in all of recorded history.
		It may, in fact, be that before it's over.
		O.J. Simpson, the prosecution is about done.
		They actually may rest today or Monday at the latest.
		Yesterday, a prosecution witness took issue with Dr. Henry Lee, well-respected, who presented evidence suggesting there may have been a second killer.
		He disputes that, said, no, these footprints indeed are not footprints, not, but rather the imprint of Ron Goldman's blue jeans.
		Thought it was rather effective.
		The defense right now is on the ropes, I think.
		And the defense needs a desperate move.
		They need a big finish.
		They are going to have an opportunity.
		Their case-in-chief has not been rested.
		So in other words, they're going to be able to come back and do something.
	And they better do something.
	It is said O.J. Simpson is indeed depressed, thinks his chances of an outright acquittal have slipped or are slipping away quickly.
	There was somebody who faxed us a most intriguing fax yesterday about something O.J. Simpson or the defense team might pull.
	And here is a follow-up fax.
	Art, that was an interesting proposition.
	A faxer put forward last night regarding the possibility of OJ taking the stand, then taking the Fifth Amendment during cross-examination.
	I ran it by a paralegal friend in Sacramento, and we came up with an interesting scenario.
	There is a distinct possibility OJ will take the stand if Judge Ito denies the defense motion to allow testimony from FBI agent Fred Whitehurst.
	That's another story.
	After direct examination, O.J. could mouth the exact words proposed by the faxer.
	In other words, I assert my right to take the fifth, just like Mark Furman did.
	Marcia Clark would, of course, go ballistic.
	Judge Ito would have to tell OJ he had waived his Fifth Amendment rights and must testify.
	However, the cat would be out of the bag.
	The jury would know the truth about Furman.
	Ito could instruct the jury to disregard the remark, but it would be for naught.
	OJ would then be forced to submit to cross-examination, but with an unnerved, off-balance, and largely ineffective Marsha Clark.
	He might be found in contempt, but the maximum sentence would be six months.
	If he were acquitted on the murder charges, he'd have to be credited for time already served in the county jail.
	If he continued to refuse to answer questions, he could get six months on each count.
	But he could afford to work in a couple of other items the judges ruled inadmissible without risking additional jail time.
	One final thought.
	We've heard OJ did poorly on mock cross-examination.
	You've remarked on how Johnny Cochran always seems to know how to push Marcia Clark's buttons to get an emotional reaction.
	Yeah, he does.
	Could it be he's doing this in order to show OJ how to handle her in the event he does need to testify?
	So I don't know.
	We talked about welfare.
	If you've got continuing comments on that, we had a big row about that yesterday, and you're certainly welcome to.
	The judge in the Oklahoma City bombing case, get this, refused to step down despite requests from both the defense and the prosecution.
	Instead, he's moved the case to Lawton, Oklahoma.
	I've got a lot of listeners in Lawton, Oklahoma.
	And I presume you will keep us very well, indeed, caught up on what's going on in Lawton, Oklahoma.
	All right, in just one moment, I've got a lot of catch-up to do.
	We are going to open the phone lines.
	You know what the numbers are.
	And we're going to do for the Balance of the Morning Two-Way Talk Radio.
	Don't go away.
unidentified		Ha ha ha ha.
unidentified		Ha ha ha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The End The balance of the night, ladies and gentlemen, belongs to you, Open Lines, Wildcard Line.
		You're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hi.
		My name is Mark.
		I'm from Grants Pass, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mark.
unidentified		And I was wondering, I'm going to be moving within the next couple of days down to California, Southern California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you feel about going the other way?
		I mean, a lot of people are leaving California and going to Oregon.
		You're going from Oregon to California.
unidentified		Well, I'm basically leaving because of some of the employment where I'm at right now isn't too great.
		So I'm probably going to be going down there to look for work.
		I heard it's not too bad down there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well?
unidentified		As far as employment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've never asked it the other way around, but it might be fun to do.
		All right.
		Thank you very much.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, and good luck.
		Have a good move.
		You can take us with you.
		We'll be there.
unidentified		All right, thank you very much.
		Thank you.
		Take care.
		Have a good room.
		Take us with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I just, I don't know.
		I listened to people like Stan from Australia earlier, and I listened to people with respect to the ozone and global warming.
		And I have this, I know that the temptation for a lot of you is to say it's totally loony tunes.
		And I get faxes saying it is totally loony tunes.
		And I realize that at times a lot of it sounds like it, or the global warming, the volcanic action, the earth movement we're getting, the apparent warming of the ocean.
		Stan made a lot of reference to that.
		The larger hurricane seasons.
		The disruptions we're going through.
		And I must tell you that I don't buy into it totally, but I do have a nagging feeling inside that something's coming.
		Something evil comes this way.
		Something is going to happen, and I can't shake it.
		I just can't shake it.
		Whether it's scallion or any of the rest of them, they're all pointing the same way, and there's got to be some sort of collective wisdom in that or not.
		But I've got a lousy little feeling the answer is yes.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Well, yes, Art.
unidentified		This is Dave in Sarasota, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Dave.
unidentified		How are you?
		Fine.
		I listen to your program just about every day, or every night I mean.
		And one of the things or what we hear a lot about is the quickening.
		Yes.
		And I, like you, believe there's something happening.
		But I also believe that the world probably needs a sign of something good happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'd be nice.
unidentified		What would you think, and this is a what if, if there was a new substance developed that cured all the major diseases out there and conditions, what do you think that would do for the world?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alleviate a lot of human suffering.
unidentified		I think it would also give a lot of hope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		And I think the children in the world...
		I mean, are you suggesting there is such a thing?
unidentified		Yeah, I'd like to fetch you some information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By all means.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm open to anything.
unidentified		Okay, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I get shot full of holes for it, but I'm open to anything.
		I'll listen to anything.
		So, yeah, fax me, write me, whatever you want to do.
unidentified		Okay, what's the fax?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Area code 702-727-8499.
		Now, you've got to limit it to three pages, otherwise my fax machine will not spit it out.
		It goes into memory first, so limit it to three pages.
		Okay, thank you.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		All right, here's the facts I was telling you about.
		Dear Art, I hope I can write this without sounding too technical.
		Please accept my apologies for the terms and descriptions.
		I am a chemistry and biology scholar, and I'd like to clear up some gross discrepancies and untruths being told.
		The ozone layer is millimeters thick and tens of thousands of feet up.
		Most compounds and gases cannot reach that high.
		Only aromatic compounds like chloral-fluoral carbons, CFCs, can rise to such a great height.
		Global wind patterns are a bit more complex than that as well.
		We cannot replenish the ozone layer due to the thin nature and unstable compound composition.
		The artificially added ozone would not remain stable.
		Once the CFC reaches a height where UV rays can strike or affect it, ultraviolet rays energize it and turn it into an aromatic organoacid.
		One chlorine atom or more is freed from the molecule and the unstable ozone molecules in the ozone layer are more likely to reattach themselves to the CFC radical molecule.
		Once the CFC radical binds to the single oxygen atom, that ozone molecule is considered depleted.
		What is left is O2, which cannot remake ozone by itself.
		Volcanoes do not deplete the ozone layer.
		They cannot create gases or compounds which reach the ozone layer, and even if they did, they would not deplete ozone.
		At the most, carbon dioxide from volcanoes would contribute to global warming, but that is a completely separate issue from ozone depletion.
		We can live in a warmer climate.
		We cannot live if our flesh is killed by UV rays or if our animals and ecosystems are mutated beyond viability.
		That's from Columbia, Missouri.
		Thank you.
		And again, I don't know whether I buy into it or not.
		I'm not a scientist.
		I could not have done what this gentleman just did by facts.
		I don't have the knowledge to do that.
		I simply continue to research and look into this whole business about ozone and global warming, which he suggests is a separate issue.
		And I'm watching our ecosystem.
		And I have sort of a collective feeling that we're headed in a difficult direction.
		And that's pulling my word punches.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, sorry.
unidentified		Let me shut off my radio, please.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, thank you.
unidentified		Yeah, why don't you get some high school kids to answer your phones for you?
unidentified		I mean, you're making like $20 billion off all that nonsense you're selling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not.
unidentified		For God's sake.
		No, you live in a trailer.
		You drive around the Geo Metro.
		I mean, for heaven's sakes, already.
		Yeah, and what happened with Kyle Ripken?
		How come you didn't bring him up at all?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kyle Ripken?
unidentified		Yes, Kyle Ripken Jr., the iron horse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
unidentified		I don't hear you mention maybe the greatest feat in baseball history.
unidentified		I don't hear you bring you up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's because I'm bored by baseball.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think baseball is boring as hell.
unidentified		Oh, but having some lunatic on from Australia telling you about Martians and stuff, that's real interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he mentioned Martians.
unidentified		Well, whatever.
unidentified		I mean, that's the same old thing, you know, every time with what.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was intelligent.
		You know, that was very intelligent.
		Now, I just, I lay out open lines, and if you want to call up and act like that guy did, you can do it.
		I'll put you on here.
		That's what this show is all about.
		When it's open lines, it's open lines.
		And what is fascinating to one person, Cal Ripken or whatever it is, is not another's cup of tea.
		And so I will accept the criticism, and I will also continue to do as I have done.
		And I will continue to present you with things that may challenge you, may make you angry, may make you sound like that last caller.
		I don't know.
		But I will continue to try and challenge you.
		And I'm going to challenge you with things that you will not hear elsewhere.
		And if I take shots for that from this guy or anybody else, well, that's all right.
		That's what I'm here for.
		I'm like a big o pincushion.
		It's okay.
		I'll live through it.
		As for the rest of it, I'm not so sure about that.
		All right, we're going to pause here at the bottom of the hour.
		You're listening to the largest live overnight talk show in America, Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		You're listening to Arkbell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 14, 1995.
		Coast to Coast AM from September 14, 1995.
		And the sky is gray.
		The sky is gray.
		The sky is gray.
		Music You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time.
		The night featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 14th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Good to be here.
		Great to be here, actually.
		It's a beautiful night in the desert.
		I hope where you are as well.
		We know it was beautiful in Perth, Australia.
		Oh, my.
		Sometimes I don't believe myself.
		I'm actually most times willing to do about anything on the radio, anything that's different.
		I like difference.
		And the ratings of this program and the reach of this program and the interest in this program prove that the audience does as well.
		Unscreened, basically uncensored calls, with the exception, of course, of last names and things that could be litigated and stuff like that we don't put on there.
		But otherwise, uncensored, unscreened, just open lines.
		When will the world learn that is the most interesting kind of talk radio?
		I don't know.
		I did a whole chapter of it in my new book.
		And I bet Sandy down in Sandy down in San Diego is going to be one of the first to order.
		Sandy, I'll send you a personally autographed version.
		There you go, Sandy.
		You've got your response.
		Back to the lines.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
bette midler ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Charlie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
bette midler ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		The guy you had on earlier, the Australian guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, guys like that really make me sick.
bette midler ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		Well, you know, and I understand where these guys are coming from.
		If you want to sell books and you want to be known, you can't get on the radio and say, you know.
		You know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He wasn't pumping his book at all.
		As a matter of fact, he didn't.
		Let me tell you, Charlie.
		No, let me tell you, so that you really do understand.
		He didn't give out any address to buy any of his books.
		He didn't give out any numbers.
		He didn't even know he was going to go on the air.
bette midler ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Until I called him.
		He sent me email.
		He didn't ask to be a guest.
		I thought he was interesting, and so I put him on.
unidentified		Well, let me take all that back.
		Let me just say that these guys who constantly talk about how terrible the future is going to be, I think that they unnecessarily alarm people.
		You know, certainly we are faced with dramatic environmental problems, and most of them are caused by man himself.
		But these are problems that we can deal with if we choose to deal with them.
		And we still have time to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Charlie, we can deal with what we can control.
unidentified		That's absolutely true.
		But there are no environmental problems that are going to cause mass extinction, massive loss of life.
		I don't believe that.
		And for people who come on the radio and say that, I think they're absolutely absurd.
		And I'll tell you something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, anybody who does not believe that massive earth movement is possible.
unidentified		Now, massive earth movement is absolutely possible.
		It's constant.
		It's been constant for years.
		But certainly, if you look at the deaths that have occurred, you haven't had like losses of hundreds of thousands of people in one end.
		You've had thousands.
		But I think the thing is this, I envy any child born right now who will live well into the next century.
		If you look at the things that we've done in this century, going from creating planes to creating vehicles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's amazing.
unidentified		It is absolutely incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		And I think that in the next century, you are going to see things that will be beyond belief.
		And I think we have challenges, but I think we're capable of overcoming those challenges.
		And it's just all of these guys who are down on man, yes, we are capable of doing terrible things, but the reverse is true also.
		We are capable of doing great things.
		And I think that we tend to forget that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a question for you.
		It is a political question, so you should enjoy it.
		Is what NATO is doing right now in Bosnia, in your mind, a great thing?
unidentified		I think that what you're seeing after the Soviet Union collapsed is you're seeing nations finally coming together and realizing, and yeah, NATO is young and it's making a lot of stupid mistakes, but it's learning.
		And I think that 20, 30 years from now, no, you're not going to have this conspiracy world government, but I think you're going to have governments around the world realize that we need places to work together.
		And I think that in the long run, countries working together is positive, not negative.
		And these conspiracy nuts who say that countries should work independently, independently we've tried that.
		And I think working together is a positive thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not against working together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm asking you whether NATO or sending 18,000 American troops into Bosnia to police an ethnically, geographically separated, enforced peace is a good idea.
unidentified		Might not be a good idea, but I think these people constantly criticize NATO.
		You know something?
		You're seeing some tremendously horrible things happening there.
		And I tell you this, at least these people are trying.
		And I'll tell you what, why weren't we doing that in the 1940s when Hitler was butchering all these Jews?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, we did finally enter the fray, as you well know.
unidentified		Yeah, but it took a bomb being dropped on us to do that.
unidentified		And I think the world philosophy is changing, and I think that's good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		I think what we're about to do in Bosnia is tragically, profoundly wrong.
		I do think that we are probably capable of bombing them to the table.
		We've done that.
		We're probably capable of enforcing a peace, making them all sit down and sign a peace agreement.
		And then we're going to march 18,000 of our people into that country to enforce it, to keep it.
		And it's going to be the sorriest damn thing we've ever done.
		It's going to be like, well, I won't use that analogy.
		I'm just telling you that it's not going to work, in my opinion.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning to you.
unidentified		This is Bob from San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Bob.
unidentified		And I had a few topics I want to talk to you about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I want to say the best two for last.
unidentified		So first I bring up President Clinton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Okay, if you notice since his campaign when he was, you know, before he was first elected and everything, till now, I mean, this guy's nose is getting bigger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		I mean, that'd be something to put in the newsletter.
unidentified		You know, you take pictures of him as he went along.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, by the end of the second term, he's going to need wheels out on the end of it.
unidentified		Yeah, if you put in your newsletter, like a beef picture.
		And I don't know if it's a Pinocchio theory or maybe he's a chronic alky because that booze is the only thing he hasn't downed since he's been in there, you know.
		Everything else, he has.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
unidentified		Not booze.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't know that.
unidentified		Well, tobacco, firearms, alcohol, he hasn't downed at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wouldn't know.
unidentified		Well, I wouldn't know for sure, but I mean, we know the main things that he did.
		All right.
		I'll get him out of the way.
		Okay, the second thing about the alien things, you know, that's really intriguing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And, you know, they're talking about those boxes they had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I've been thinking about it, you know, even before I found out that they had the, you know, the six-finger things on them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I was thinking, do you think maybe that could be something like maybe since they didn't have no genitalia, you know, noticeable anyway?
		I mean, you think maybe they had like some kind of life pod for like a fetus?
		For like they're doing like some kind of test tube thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't understand where you're going, but I think you're going around the bend there.
		It could look, it could be anything.
		What do I know?
		All I know is this alien autopsy film, For all the screeching and screaming that I've heard about how silly it is, there has not been one serious hole shot in the whole thing yet.
		Not one.
		And I think Bob Schell came on here and added a lot of credibility to it.
		And the photographs that we're about to publish definitely do.
		You can talk about mutations and genetic mutation and why that poor being who's really just a human being, you can talk about that all you want.
		But when you see the next photographs that we're going to publish, the ones with the panels from the boxes designed for six fingers, if you don't sit there and give some serious thought to the possibility that what you're seeing is as real as can be, then you're just simply not an open-minded person at all, or you have another agenda.
		This clearly, clearly, with the evidence we have so far, is either proof of an alien visit, which is not exactly a minor story, or the most involved, complex, long-term hoax that's ever been pulled off, period.
		Either way, I calculated to be a very large story, and I lean toward authenticity.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		All right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Hi.
		Hello.
unidentified		Well, listen, will you forgive me?
unidentified		I was supposed to use the new color line, but I'm at work where I didn't want to put it on their bill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's fine.
unidentified		Oh, good.
		I just wanted to compliment you.
		I haven't called a talk show in 15, 16 years, and I know you hear this a lot, but I really think you're, if I may use an analogy, like actors, of which there's only been three or four, that are, they call them a man's man, meaning that both female and males like them equally, and they say that's kind of the test whether you're, I'm more diverse than I thought I would be here.
		But I just really think that there's a spirit to your show that is much greater even than the apparent content, which is really good.
		I really haven't called a talk show in about 16 years, and I did a little TV talk show once that was really silly, but you've helped me there too because I've been doing respiratory therapy for about 16 years.
		This is following Ted Kimball, who built the audience up for me.
		He was just a flooky little thing in Salt Lake.
		He was a good partner to Herb Jepco.
		Oh, he built up a huge audience of geriatrics and everybody else.
		But I maintained that audience for a short while and had practically a 40 rating.
		But that sounds like Breggado show.
		Anyway, I just wanted to tell you that I am a think you're wonderful.
		And I hope you won't get discouraged because there's nothing like this anywhere.
		And I listen to it addictively every night.
		That's all I wanted to tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, my friend.
		That's why I'm doing it.
		That's why I'm doing it, because there really is nothing else like it.
		There's room for all kinds of talk radio in the spectrum.
		And some nights will probably sound like other talk radio.
		Last night we did.
		Talked about welfare all night.
		Tonight we don't.
		Tomorrow night, I have no idea what we do.
		You know what we might do tomorrow night?
		We might do truth or trash again.
		Would you like that?
		Sure got an awful lot of requests for it.
		I don't want to do the same thing.
		I'm not going to do the same thing.
		And so inevitably, some nights you're going to really like me and some nights you're going to hate me because some nights you'll like what I'm doing and some nights you won't.
		I'm not going to do the same thing repetitively as so many others are doing.
		I don't denigrate them for it.
		I think they're going to be sorry.
		I think talk radio in general is going to be sorry if it goes marching down a singular path.
		It needs to be more varied.
		And so I'll continue to supply that variation.
		And judging from ratings, judging from the amount of people listening and the growth of the program, it's popular.
		Increasingly popular as more and more people discover it.
		I'm very thankful for that.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		All right.
		Yes.
		The ozone problem.
		There's a lot of facts they don't tell you.
		And if you know them and you got common sense, you can figure it out.
		I disagree with a lot of these people, even that fact you read.
		Ozone has a half-life of 45 minutes.
		It's being created all the time by the sun and oxygen.
		The reason we have the ozone over the North Pole, you lived in Alaska, isn't it dark quite a few months of the year there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		The sun doesn't create the ozone there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then alternatively, light during the other half.
unidentified		Right, and then the ozone hole is smaller.
unidentified		It's larger in the winter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
		Yes, arguably the ozone hole gets larger and smaller.
		It is true.
		But since we have been measuring it, it has been increasing in size.
		And the present measurements show it to be roughly the size of Europe over the Antarctic, which is big, the biggest ever measured.
		And there is a verifiable, U.S. satellite verifiable 10% reduction over our heads.
		Now, that's not imagined.
		That's real.
unidentified		It's not the fluorocarbons, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, you can argue that.
		That's fine.
		I don't know what it is myself.
unidentified		Well, let me tell you something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think it is?
unidentified		It's a depletion of oxygen.
		It's in direct correlation with the oxygen depletion on the Earth, the green.
		We're losing the green belts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		All right, and there's no way the fluorocarbons are going to get up there.
		They may say they're there.
		I'd like for them to go up there and bring some back and show them, but I wouldn't believe them anyway because carbon's heavier than air.
		How would it get up there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, do you agree that there is a reduction in progress?
unidentified		In progress?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In progress.
unidentified		Yes, and I wouldn't say that it hasn't happened before and it won't happen a hundred times more.
unidentified		It's a natural cycle of the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope you're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really hope you're right.
unidentified		Well, I'd like to have somebody prove, come up with some facts instead of, well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what the problem is, though, sir?
		The scientists, the people that have, sure, much more knowledge than I do and study this, are arguing with each other about it.
		So, you know, I mean, really, who are you and I?
unidentified		Let me drop one thing in here before I leave, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		It's kind of strange that Dow Chemicals patents up on this in the last five, six years we've been hearing about this ozone depletion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, time to pick up a patent on some other substance that you can then make money on.
unidentified		And do away with everything that you made money on so nobody else can do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand exactly what you're saying.
		Thank you.
		He's trying to lay a foundation.
		I watch too much, OJ.
		Trying to lay a foundation that it is a financial matter that the company that had the patent on a Freon, I guess, now would lose it and other people would produce it.
		And so it's the conspiracy theory, the economic conspiracy theory.
		And it's, you know, it's, I suppose, as good as anybody else's theory, but that's all it is.
		And again, I say, and I get faxes on both sides of this question and lots of information, but the scientists are arguing with each other about this.
		What's causing it?
		Not so much the fact that it actually is measurably less, but what's causing it.
		Either way, it would seem to have possible dire consequences for us if the process continues.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Yeah, hi, Aaron.
		Let me grab my radio.
		All right, grab it.
		And when you do, turn it off.
unidentified		Oh, this is Samson listening to you.
unidentified		Well, I guess on Como here in Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		KOMO?
unidentified		Yeah, well, KEVG doesn't carry your last hour.
unidentified		So we have to really search.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		But yeah, I'm on IRC channel, Pound Sign Art, Hyphen Bell, so we're just saying hi to you this evening.
		You know, I couldn't believe that guy he had on, talking about an air conditioner repair man?
		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, no, he owns an air conditioning company.
unidentified		whatever what i mean that I mean, I imagine he would have been really hard-pressed to come up with something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he didn't talk much about global warming.
		The most he said, as I recall, is that he thought there might be a connection.
		I know a lot of people dispute that, but there are others with more scientific prowess than I've got, and maybe even you, who think there is a connection.
		So I'm darned if I know.
unidentified		Well, the bottom line is, I think if you raise the global degree by one, if you raise it by even one degree, the flooding would be so, you know, millions would die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if there is actually a warming going on, it's a non-trivial matter, correct?
unidentified		The evidence for it isn't there, that's my point.
		Okay, and I'm thinking this thing has gone the gamut.
		It's gone from global cooling to global warming, and who's making money off the agenda?
		I was talking with a guy once who's stationed up in the Arctic, and his job was to meter this depletion for this very thing.
		I don't know if he worked for the government or if it was a private agency or what.
		But he told me flat out.
		He said, you know, this is a bunch of bunk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This whole...
unidentified		Well, I mean, no, but this is a guy that's in the know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And maybe the guy you know who's in the know is absolutely right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it is a bunch of bunk.
unidentified		Well, I'm beginning to believe it isn't it.
unidentified		You know, there's too much scaring of the masses and then profiting from that threat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir, I've got to leave it there.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		I appreciate your call, and I don't necessarily disagree with you.
		I'm just not sure.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Arkbell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 14, 1995.
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		14, 1995.
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		Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bells Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired September 14th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Good to be here.
		Here's a nice fact.
		Here, I wanted to let you know, I plan to, or at least I am hopeful to get one of your autographed Books.
		I have already gone to the 24-hour post office and expressed my order to Paper Chase Press.
		I can't wait.
		I hope this doesn't signify the quickening that I get up at 3 o'clock in the morning, drive 20 miles to order your book.
		I love the show.
		You're the greatest blah, blah, Brett, in Utah.
		That's really nice, Brett.
		Thank you.
		Yeah, that probably is the quickening that you run out in the middle of the night to do that.
		I'll do it one more time.
		I'll give you the address.
		This is a, you know, like a one-time offer, and it's for the first thousand books ordered.
		They'll be autographed copies.
		That's it.
		1,001.
		Forget it.
		Therefore, you should act fairly quickly.
		It is Paper Chase Press.
		The address.
		The price of the book is $24.95 plus $4 shipping and handling.
		A total of $28.95, $28.95.
		First thousand, get the autographed copies.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Howdy, Arted Sheet in San Francisco.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		I just got off the FM band.
		You're on the radio tonight in other areas besides when you're on live.
		It's pretty amazing.
		You're just nationwide news.
		KPFA is a station in Berkeley, and they have this program running for many years called Over the Edge.
		It's run by guys who are part of a kind of a radio true performance band called Negative Land.
		You know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard about this.
unidentified		Right, those are the guys that did the hoax a few years ago when they ran a story that some kid in Minnesota had hacked up his parents with an axe while listening to one of their songs and got Rolling Stone and all these major mass media to believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, are these the people that are running some of my show or what are they doing tonight?
unidentified		Right, well what they did tonight was on the alien autopsy.
		It was called Autopsy Part 1, Three and a Half Hours.
		And I only caught the last hour.
		What they did is take all kind of major mass media about the autopsy.
		He's a clips of you interventively viewing Santilli on the air, clips of you with Bob Schell, and the guy calls in and says, Marsh, remember that guy, Martians?
		You guys are crazy.
		Why don't you grow up?
		Yeah, it was that repeating again and again.
		And stuff from the actual show and stuff that was on other radio stations that I don't know the source of and kind of multiple sources kind of going at once and different elements repeating and so on and so forth to kind of hash out the reality of it, the mythology around it and so forth.
		You were a big part of it and it was kind of interesting to just kind of tune away from you for a minute, go to KPFA, and there you were again.
		It was like I didn't even miss you or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well they're a bunch of pirates.
unidentified		That's what I'd assume the copyright, right?
unidentified		No, well, you've got to get the information out there and those guys have been on the air for many years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know they've been doing it.
		I've heard about it from other sources.
		So I'm kind of glad you brought it up.
unidentified		Yeah, I just wanted to, you know, I think I'd get through and talk to you and just tell you about that.
		And, you know, I have nothing really else to say except that you're doing a great job.
		And it's really you're, I think of the guy that I guess he was calling in, wanted to call in the first timeline, but made a mistake called West of the Rockies.
		He was saying that, you know, you do something really special, and that's really a lot different from a lot of what's out there.
		And as a media junkie, I work in politics in California and are exposed to a lot of major mass media and minor mass media every day.
		And you really do do something that's really kind of promotes more of a pure expression of a free exchange of ideas on the radio in real time in this time right now.
		And that's very appreciative.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		That is exactly what I'm trying to do.
		And I'm glad that it's greeted so well.
		You know, it makes some people angry, but that's cool, too.
		I'm trying to be different.
		I want to be different.
		And I couldn't do this five hours a night if it wasn't different.
		If I had to come up here five hours a night and limbaugh you to death, you know, with just raging about the liberals or raging about politics, I would eventually get bored and I couldn't do it anymore.
		So I'm liable to do anything on any given night.
		I might even be considered about halfway crazy.
		And I know there's lots of you out there who think I am.
		But it sure does make for fun radio and spontaneous radio.
		There's a good word for it.
		Spontaneous.
		Radio should not be boringly predictable.
		And I shall not have it.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, For the People member, Aurora, Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
		Okay.
		Bart, I agree with you on Bosnia, but I remember when we started this bombing, you know, they Well, I made my own.
		They don't really issue one, but...
		You had to make your own card?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, so you're a card-carrying member, but you have to make your own card.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, well...
unidentified		About a week ago when NATO, or more correctly, we...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you're not a member of for the people, does that mean you're against the people?
unidentified		I guess it could be construed that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
		All right.
		Well, anyway, what about when we started this?
unidentified		You had said that you were generally in agreement with that action.
unidentified		And I agree with the opinion you've expressed the last couple nights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was in agreement with, you know, in other words, if we could get a bomb about Sarajevo and get that kind of thing stopped, fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But then to back it up, make them sign a peace agreement and send in 18,000 Americans, I'm sorry, no way.
unidentified		Yeah, it's absolutely foolish.
unidentified		It's going to be a quagmire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		And not only are we looking at American kids dying over there for people who are bound and determined to decimate each other and have been for centuries.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what, sir?
		I do have a heart.
		And I'm subject to seeing the mortar round landing in the middle of the shopping area in Sarajevo and saying, God, this is awful.
		Of course.
		and so I feel it like everybody else does but I guess a couple of weeks ago I began to think of this step back from it a little bit and I began to consider what we're doing We're taking these people who are bound and determined to kill each other genocide and We're bombing them to submission.
		We can do that.
		We have that power and we may be on the verge of having done it.
		And then we're going to have to go in there and enforce this ethnic geographic separation for as long as we want the fighting to stop.
		And the minute we leave, it will begin again.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		It's inevitable, Art.
		And, you know, not only are we facing that, but I think that, you know, we've made lifelong enemies out of the Serbs now.
		They have very long memories about that sort of thing.
		Yep.
		I think they could, they certainly don't have an air force to use against us, but I think they could quite conceivably send a different type of bomber over here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is terrorism.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I just, I can't find the upside to it.
unidentified		No, there is none.
		It's a feel good measure, I think.
		I'm not trying to belittle people who really feel a compassionate need to intervene in this.
		I understand the way they feel.
		I really do.
		But you laid it out beautifully as to what's going to happen logically.
		We're going to have to stay there forever if we want the fighting to stop.
		And even then it won't stop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think eventually we'll be regarded about as the English are in Ireland.
unidentified		Well, obviously we will be hated.
		We're already hated around the world to a large extent.
		of it's a good cause.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		it's an absolute no-win situation and no american should die over there well um i'm with you there i've got to run through a thank you thank you and good night um i think a lot of americans are going to be asking themselves as their offspring go off to police the peace in a very dangerous place how much business we have doing this and and we are now uh guaranteeing 18,000
		troops to go in if they manage to get this peace thing on.
		It's really insanity.
		It's insanity when you step back and you look at it.
		I suppose some steps from a humanitarian point of view are justified, but the larger question and the years ahead are going to be a terror if we proceed as we appear to be right now.
unidentified		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Fury Heights, WTAV.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		First, I want to say the flowers are gorgeous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely fresh flowers?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course they are.
unidentified		Well, this is my second triathlete.
		I ordered them from my mother back.
		I don't remember if it was Valentine's Day.
		I'm sorry.
		Oh, I'm sorry.
		And so yesterday would have been hers and my father's 65th wedding anniversary.
		So I decided to send some flowers.
		Just, you know, love you.
		And I instructed the nurses that I wanted one bouquet to go into her room, one bouquet to go into the nurse's station, and one bouquet to go into the solarium.
		And so I called yesterday afternoon check and check and see that they got there.
		And they had.
		Well, that was Wednesday afternoon.
		And then then talked to a nurse this morning who hadn't been there yesterday who said I walked in and she said I could smell those flowers 20 feet before I ever got to the nurse's station.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really is everything we say it is, ma'am.
unidentified		Oh, I know.
		They are gorgeous.
		Absolutely gorgeous.
		Oh, and I had a remark for the gentleman who talks about Cal Ripken.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, huh?
unidentified		I am not a baseball, football, any sports fan.
		And maybe, you know, Cal Ripken maybe did an amazing feat.
		But I've been at my job for 44 years, and I haven't missed the day of being a wife, a mother, a doctor, a nurse, a cook, a cleaning woman.
		You name it.
		I've been doing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'll just bet nobody's given you a 20-minute standing ovation.
unidentified		No, I mean, my kids have once in a while clasped with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, I don't want to.
		Thank you.
		First of all, thank you for the commercial.
		I've got to run.
		Thank you for the commercial.
		It's better than I could have said it.
		Look, I don't begrudge Cal Ripken.
		I'm just not a baseball fan, that's all.
		And his attendance is laudable.
		And the worship he got from his fans is fine.
		You know, it's okay.
		It's just not something that flips my switch, I guess.
		So I in no way denigrate Cal Ripken.
		Congratulations, Cal Ripken.
		Now, maybe that guy will be happy.
		I doubt it, though.
		Wild Card line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Dart.
unidentified		I'm calling from Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		So I have no idea what y'all are talking about, but I do have a question for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		The alien autopsy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		If you take a look at that brain, you know, it sounds awful ridiculous to me, but it kind of looks like a skinned chicken, doesn't it?
		If you take a look at it, if you get a chance.
		It really does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, I've got a very good copy.
		When that ran, I got my copy directly off satellite.
		And it's excellent.
		And I couldn't say that it looked like a skinned chicken.
unidentified		It does to me.
		It just looks like those are the legs that are there.
		I don't know.
		It just was...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it's like a Roche test, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We all see what we're going to see in it.
unidentified		I want to ask you something else.
unidentified		Any kind of question, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You go to a psychiatrist, you hold up a little thing.
		What is this?
		Oh, alien brain.
unidentified		Alien brain.
		It's a chicken.
		Favorite football team, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I wish you wouldn't ask that.
		I'm now torn.
		I have always favored the San Diego Chargers.
unidentified		Okay, I like it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, since the Raiders went back to Oakland, they used to be my favorite.
		And so I'm torn.
		I like San Diego and I like Oakland.
unidentified		Toughest quarterback you ever saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Toughest or best?
unidentified		Toughest and best.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think that's a good question with regard to quarterbacks.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think just best, and I think the answer is Joe Montana.
unidentified		I agree.
unidentified		Thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome, sir.
		Have a good morning.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		This is Italian Stallion, Portland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I just wanted to know a couple things.
		Okay, you know when you get bigger, when you get bigger, more networks, or like more radio stations?
		Yes, does that mean that you add more commercials?
		How does that work?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no.
		Well, yes.
		No.
		The answer is yes and no.
		In other words, the more affiliates you have, there's kind of a middle territory.
		The more affiliates you have, then the greater an ad rate you can charge for those people that advertise, right?
		Because you're reaching a bigger audience.
unidentified		I see.
		And I think you're really great.
		I've been listening to you many years, but, you know, I mean, and I think, you know, you're doing a really great job and everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But we have more commercials.
unidentified		For one, though, I think the commercials are just getting to the point where we're only hearing about 15 minutes of you and the rest commercials.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not.
		What I did this morning was I spread the commercials.
		I spread the commercials from the beginning of the show because I had, you know, I mean, I was sitting talking to a guy in Australia for a second.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
unidentified		I see what you're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I pushed some from the front toward the rear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, as the network continues to grow, you actually soon will begin to hear possibly fewer commercials.
unidentified		Oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because the ad rate will go up, and so the income derived will mean we don't have to run as many.
unidentified		Okay, another thing real quick.
		I think that we should be the police of the world.
		And you probably want to know why.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Because one thing, America consists with Russians, Italians, Chinese.
		We should be the police of the world because we have all the people here in this country.
		And therefore, I mean, anywhere in the place in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let me stop you.
		Now, you say because we are diversified ethnically, we should police the world.
		That's what you're really saying, right?
		Wait.
		Then, how can you justify going over to what used to be Yugoslavia and enforcing an ethnic separation?
unidentified		Because it could spread to Europe and everywhere else.
		Because I have a lot of relatives in Europe and Italy.
		I would hate to spread out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you're saying the people with ethnic diversity should enforce ethnic separation elsewhere in the world.
unidentified		Yeah, but we have people that are from Croatia and Serbia here.
unidentified		I mean, those people are concerned about their relatives over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir, I know.
		I appreciate your call.
		I was trying to get you.
		In other words, you came at me by saying because we have ethnic diversity here, that we should police in the rest of the world.
		And the kind of policing we're talking about doing right now in what used to be Yugoslavia is enforcing ethnic separation.
		The total antithesis of what this country is supposed to be.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Bob in Mississippi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Bob.
unidentified		Yeah, listen, I kind of heard as it faded out on San Antonio station there that you had a new affiliate starting up in Mobile or somewhere in Alabama.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do, yes.
unidentified		Can you give me the number on that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what I've done with a sheet.
		If you will listen tomorrow morning, I would be happy.
		I'm looking for it like crazy.
		If you'll listen, I've got a million faxes here.
		I'm sorry.
		It's lost in the pile.
		If you'll listen tomorrow morning, I'll get it on the air for you.
unidentified		The 710 or 1110 sound familiar?
unidentified		I guess that's all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
unidentified		I understand.
		Listen, killer show tonight.
		I had to stay up all night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for the call.
		All right, sir.
		Thank you.
		And listen tomorrow, and I'll get that on the air for you.
		I will retrieve it.
		You guys have no idea.
		My room, by the end of the night, looks like a cyclone hit it.
		I mean, I've got paper everywhere.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Art.
		Hi.
		I was just trying to respond to Charlie's comment about there not being tens of thousands who have died in this century from natural death.
		If you could check the World Almanac, you would find that in 1931, a flood in China took 3,700,000.
		Another flood in China took 200,000.
		A cyclone in Bangladesh took 300,000.
		That was in 1970.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there have been many, many natural disasters.
unidentified		In 1991, there was another one that took 139,000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And a couple of earthquakes, one in Japan in 1923 took 200,000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These are all things worth noting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And because we are America, because we're a nice modern industrial nation, we should not think that we are immune to those kind of natural disasters.
unidentified		No, we can think of ourselves as very lucky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So far.
bette midler ▲ ● ▼		So far, yeah.
unidentified		But there have just been millions who have died in this century from natural disasters.
unidentified		I just happened to pick out some of the big ones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did very well.
unidentified		And I just thought if Charlie wants to check it out, he can pull out the World Almanac and look at it for himself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, listen, time has evaporated, so tonight you're the lucky one.
		You get to say goodnight, America.
unidentified		Good night, America, and I love you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was nice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, see, there's a nice way to end it.
bette midler ▲ ● ▼		Thank you all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It has been a pleasure.
		It was a pleasure being able to announce my book on the way.
		God, I'm so excited about that.
		1,000, that's it.
		1,000 autographed versions.

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