Art Bell’s 1996 episode dissects the O.J. Simpson trial’s Furman tapes controversy, with Gil Garcetti pushing for late-September jury deliberation while Mark Fuhrman’s Fifth Amendment risk looms. Callers debate China’s human rights—Hillary Clinton’s Beijing visit post-Harry Wu’s 15-year prison release—and Windows 95’s $3B ad blitz, mocking Bill Gates’ emotional vulnerability. Roswell UFO theories dominate, from the Roswell Autopsy Film airing August 28 to comet Hale-Bopp’s debated threats and Mount Ararat’s recent archaeological access. Bell rejects "God is dead" claims but notes a rise in disturbing events ("quickening"), linking media saturation to perceived societal shifts. Ultimately, the episode blends trial intrigue, tech satire, and fringe theories into a chaotic snapshot of 1990s paranoia and cultural unease. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good morning or good evening, as the case may be, across time zones, stretching from Tahiti in the Hawaiian Islands to the U.S. Virgin Islands into South America and north to the North Pole.
You just never, simply never know what's going to happen, and I can nearly guarantee this is going to be one of those nights.
The USA Radio News still referring to the referring to the strongholds taken in Iowa, the Dole Graham race, and everybody's trying to figure out is Bob Dole weak?
Is Bill Graham strong?
I don't think either one is the case.
I think Graham did well because Dole is weak, not because Graham is strong, and I just, I don't, I don't, I can't find anybody in the field to get excited about.
Harry Wu is free.
Harry Wu, just one man, but indeed a naturalized American citizen, held in a Chinese prison for two months, threatening the possibility of the First Lady's visit to a conference on women's rights in Beijing.
Women's rights in Beijing.
I was in China.
You know, that's really kind of cute.
Women's rights in Beijing, it's like you can't even say that sentence without smiling or laughing.
Sentenced to 15 years for spying, then expelled from the country.
China obviously wanted to send a signal, come on.
Hillary Clinton, we want you here.
Wu snuck into China several times.
Now, you see, now, Wu, while doing a, I guess, heroic thing for human rights, really, you don't sneak into China.
I tell you, you don't sneak into China.
He did that several times with a little video camera, capturing images of forced prison labor, which of course they deny.
And this really does not humor the communists at all.
They're not a humorous people.
When I crossed into communist China here, two, three months ago, whenever it was, that's the one thing I noticed more than any other.
They don't laugh a lot.
They're very serious people.
Anyway, Bob Dole says she still should not go.
He says, quote, I think if I could give her any advice, she ought to stay right here.
But it looks like the White House will indeed announce the trip is on.
The First Lady will go to Beijing to talk about women's rights and human rights generally.
Do you think she ought to go?
Question one.
Now that Harry Wu has been sprung, should she go?
Should Harry Wu try to go sneak back into China again?
And if he does, does he deserve to get arrested?
Shouldn't be sneaking into China is bad, bad, bad, bad.
Should human rights be linked to commerce.
Now, I guarantee you, you have my word, that China is going to be the 800-pound economic guerrilla of the world in another 10 or 20 years.
I mean, those who were with me in China here recently know exactly what I'm saying.
There is going to be no stopping them.
You might slow them down a little, but you're not going to stop them.
Now, should commerce be linked to human rights?
Should we not have commerce with China because they have what Harry Wu got when he snuck into China to take it, proof of prison labor and that sort of thing?
I don't know.
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All good questions.
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First of all, I want to just thank you for bringing everyone out here to Cornea Copia just phenomenal knowledge.
I don't know of anyone else that I've ever listened to at radio that just fills my brain and stimulates me.
You know, I was listening to the show and I thought to myself, do you think, George, the common citizen such as you or I, really has any hope towards the future of any privacy or anything else?
I think we do.
I think eventually so many people will see the light, see what you see, see what I see, that eventually they're going to say enough is enough.
And I think that we do have a future and we're going to win in the long run.
It's going to be bumpy along the way.
It's not going to be easy, but we will get there.
That's my take.
And you know what?
As long as I can continue on the ear waves and tell people this, I shall.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from August 24th, 1995.
I played it just right last night, I think, and I waited, you know, it came out at midnight.
and I waited until 3 a.m. Pacific time giving everybody even here on the West Coast lots of time to buy it at midnight run home load it into their computers and then for an hour I opened the line and I asked people how they were doing on it I want to know today now just about everybody who was one of the frantic first buyers and it was a frenzy a consumer feeding frenzy
generated by probably one of the world's best PR jobs.
As a matter of fact, Bill Gates was with Jay Leno at Microsoft headquarters in Redmond, Washington.
And Bill Gates, you know, it surprises me that Jay Leno would stand there in behalf of all talk show hosts.
Not that he's really a talk show host in that sense.
And allow Bill Gates to say, of course it was in humor, Windows 95 is so easy, even a talk show host can figure it out.
Leno just sort of stood there, looking like maybe he was challenged.
Anyway, Windows 3, 1, and 1.1 is running on 100 million computers, or was, till now.
So, you know, all I've got to say is I still haven't done it.
I'm still running scared.
Have not booted.
I've got it.
I've got it on CD here, but I've not booted it into my computer, and I'm still going to wait.
I'm kind of mixed reviews last night.
Some people said, well, couldn't find my video card, didn't have a driver for my video card or whatever, and so, you know, I don't know.
I can't make up my mind.
Somebody did send me a fax late in the show that never got aired.
I do not want to get into the Macintosh, you know, the Mac, IBM fight.
Apple's out there somewhere.
But I did get this fax.
Referring to Mac users, here are these Mac fascists, really bug me sometimes.
So you pay $4,000 for a Mac.
Then add a $2,000 board, so that it runs like a $2,000 board,
dollar PC a few years ago I met a Mac fascist who thought that 16.8 million color capability was only available on Mac's funny IBMs running target boards had that two years before the first Mac came out frankly Mac users are so brainwashed they haven't got a clue what goes on on the PC side especially ignorant of the fact that the basic principle of the Mac's visual interface
was developed at the Xerox Research Center in Palo Alto in the 70s.
And that principle is, make it so someone with kindergarten pointing skills can operate it.
Very impressive, Mac.
Signed, Jeff.
Well, I don't want to get into that fight, and I'm not going to.
But I did think that was cute.
Second time in one week, a major network, ABC, has apologized to the tobacco industry.
ABC ate a lot of crow here.
The tobacco industry gloated by reprinting the apology in major newspapers.
And I don't quite understand the nature of the apology, but it's interesting.
The whole issue was that of manipulating nicotine levels.
ABC apologized for the story, which I guess from a litigation point of view satisfied the tobacco companies, but added that they stand by their story.
So, I'm not exactly sure what ABC is doing here.
Maybe they're saying, well, we're sorry we ran the story because we didn't want to get into a big legal fight.
But really, the story is true.
Modern apologies.
There's something to behold.
Generally, when an individual is involved, the modern apology is not, I'm sorry for what I said or did.
The modern apology, the politically correct apology, is to say, I'm sorry if my words offended anyone.
Which is also to say, I'm sorry it offended you, but I'm not apologizing to you.
It's a complicated world we live in today, isn't it?
Long Island, New York.
Not so funny.
A big fire.
West Hampton area, Long Island.
It's really on fire now.
I don't know if you've seen any of the photographs of the fire raging on Long Island right now, but it's frightening.
I shook my mom's tree at midnight, her time on the East Coast, and said, look, is it close?
And she said, no, well, it's, you know, to get to me, it would have to jump the bay.
So, I guess she's okay, you know, but Long Island is, they call it that for a reason.
It's an island.
And there's but like one road she can get out of there on, so, you be very careful there, Mom.
This is a very serious fire.
Very serious.
Hurricanes, also very serious.
One of the busiest years in all of history.
Hurricane Iris and Humberto are moving north and respectively west, probably gathering strength.
the remains of tropical storm Jerry, dumping up to 10 inches of rain on parts of Florida, and we are just now beginning to get to the hurricane season.
The barest beginning.
This could be something else.
NBC did a big story on Florida, flight 75 29 the one that uh just crashed and um generally, you can't do much on talk radio with plane crashes.
They are tragic.
But this one brings to mind another recent one.
There were nine minutes of pre-crash flight.
In other words, for nine minutes, those people lived a nightmare.
At 18,000 feet, when the plane reached 18,000 feet, there was a sudden explosion.
One guy said he looked out the window and the propeller was laying up against the wing.
Not good.
This plane should have been able to fly on one engine.
Obviously, it didn't.
They began losing 2,000 feet a minute, eventually becoming 2,500 feet a minute.
And finally, the flight attendant, a very brave young lady, told everybody, assume the position.
So for nine minutes, these people thought they were going to die.
Several of them, including the pilot, did.
24, incredibly, you saw the photos, survived.
Only because they managed to sort of land in a clearing, and there was a minute or two or a few before the plane exploded into flames, so people got out.
But NBC, I thought, asked a rather intriguing question.
And that is, is it possible for someone to walk away from nine minutes of thinking they're going to die and ever be the same again?
And they had some psychologists on there who said, well, you know, about a third of them have no problem.
A third of them have mild problems.
And a third of them will have problems that will last the rest of their lives.
And it's almost unimaginable knowing that you're going to crash and probably going to die.
And I, you know, with nine minutes left, what would you think?
How would you handle it?
What would you do?
And I wonder what most of them do.
you've seen the humorous airplane series of movies where everybody throws up their hands and panics at the sign but i kind of doubt I've never been in a plane that crashed, thankfully.
But I would imagine people become quiet, thoughtful, scared, all those things.
And I wonder how many by percentage actually panic.
No court in the O.J. Simpson trial today, but it does not matter.
It goes on anyway.
The screenwriter, who's got the tapes, is now refusing to turn any copies of the Furman tapes over to either Furman's new attorney or the LAPD.
She's not turning them over.
The district attorney in L.A., Gil Garcetti, said the jury should have the case by late September.
Furman is going to be recalled to the stand.
Now this is where it begins to get to be really sticky.
When they get Detective Mark Furman back on the stand again, they are going to confront him with these tapes.
According to his lawyer, there's a great likelihood he will take the Fifth Amendment.
Take the Fifth.
Now, I refuse to answer on the grounds that it may tend to incriminate me.
Incriminate me.
So, when the jury hears this and sees Mark Fuhrman, Mr. Hard Tough Guy, say, I refuse to answer on the grounds it may tend to incriminate me, what do you think that jury is going to think about the prosecution's case?
Talking heads on NBC had a pretty good point.
If these tapes are as bad as it is suggested they are, the prosecution, Marsha Clark, is going to have to go after Mark Fuhrman like a mad dog.
I mean, she's going to have to be Marcia Clark at her best.
She is going to literally have to join the defense in going after Mark Fuhrman.
Because if the defense, in effect, stays with Fuhrman and gets blown out of the water by Fuhrman, well, the whole case against O.J. Simpson obviously gets blown out of the water as well.
48 hours on CBS tonight.
Very, very interesting.
It seems in the eastern big cities that there is a move on from crack to heroin.
Now, I know this sounds strange.
The people down in South America that have been making a lot of crack are switching production now to heroin.
Heroin is coming in by the numbers from Southeast Asia, most notably Bangkok, that area.
The brand names, you're going to love this, the brand names of the new heroin so pure that they won't even shoot it anymore.
They're snorting it now.
Maybe that's why the people are converting.
But listen to some of the brand names.
Would you do some of this?
Tombstone, poison, suicide, or how about body bag?
So pure, they say, it's living up to its name.
Now to give you an idea of the difference in purity, heroin that when I was a kid you'd hear about people buying was anywhere between 4 and 6% pure.
Now it's 40% or as much as 10 times the purity it once was.
Being sold out in New York in open marketplaces.
14, 15 year olds standing there shouting their particular brand name.
Get your body bag here.
Get your suicide here.
I've got poison for you.
And it's selling like crazy.
So I have no idea what we're going to do.
I just have no idea what we're going to do about this.
All right, let me see.
I guess I've got to stop here for a moment and take care of a couple of things.
So let me do that.
First, let me tell you that as a talk show host, I do a lot of research.
I call it homework.
I guess that's left over from my school days homework.
It is my homework.
And it occurs before the program.
Easiest part of the program, by the way, is when I get on the air to do it.
The homework part is the hard part.
All right, we're going to break here at the bottom of the hour.
The stations will accomplish whatever they do at the bottom of the hour.
And we'll be right back.
I've got more than open lines, live talk radio throughout the nighttime, right here, unscreened.
Unpredictable, but fun.
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That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
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Dear Art, I am a deputy sheriff, and I've been so for almost eight years.
Today I lost my first drunk driving case out of the more than 125 DUI arrests I've made.
It should have been a slam-dunk case, but the jury decided to believe the defendant's wife instead of two deputies.
As a deputy, I've never lied to anyone, planted evidence, taken a bribe, or covered up for another deputy.
Likewise, I've never seen another deputy or officer do any of these things.
I think these things do happen, but only on a small scale when compared to the amount of law enforcement activity that goes on in our country.
I can't begin to count how many times in the last two years I've had to listen to slobbering drunks in the back of my patrol car say things like, are you going to beat me like Rodney King?
Or I bet you thought Waco was a good thing, huh, cop?
Lately, the comparisons have been with Mark Fuhrman.
I sincerely pray the public does not lose their faith and confidence in their police officers based on a few dishonest cops.
We will all be the losers, except for the criminals.
Thanks for letting me vet our.
I hate that term, he says here.
Scott, up in Oregon.
That's an interesting, kind of an interesting fact, because I knew it was going on.
I knew the whole Rodney King thing and Ruby Ridge and Waco and now the Furman deal reflects on every cop in this country.
And it's sad.
It's terribly sad.
And I don't even know what to say about it.
They're the ones getting the headlines.
You know, all the good busts, all the good rests, all the bad guys taken off the street.
And that lines, you know, it's a little easier to, well, actually, it's hard to get in on now, even now, but it is a little easier than the other ones.
The wildcard lines, direct dial, area code 702-727-1295-1295.
Then toll-free, west of the Rockies, it's 1-800-618-8255.
1-800-618-8255.
East of the Rockies, it's 1-800-825-5033.
So easy, even a talk show host can understand it.
Boy, that rankles me.
Come on, Bill.
I should have tried to get Bill Gates on, huh, and interviewed him.
1-800-825-5033, east of the Rockies, east of the Rockies is where we're going.
And I don't have a problem with that because it seems that Japan is the most protectionist country in the world, and they've also got the strongest economy in the world.
He's done Crossfire and programs like it for so long now that he has made pretty radical statements from time to time that would be immediately categorized and dredged up on a regular basis by the Clinton campaign if Pat was the Republican candidate.
The California governor, I think, came in 1% in Iowa.
He's not a contender.
I cannot imagine the California governor taking anything at a Republican convention, which is going to tend to be kind of right-wing, as all conventions are anyway.
Bob Dole, I don't believe, can beat Bill Clinton.
Phil Graham, I do not believe, can beat Bill Clinton.
So I'm stuck.
I'm not excited right now about anybody.
Just me.
Maybe that'll change, but for now, Lamar Alexander certainly has not caught fire.
Nobody's really caught fire.
And I think what Iowa said was that, guess what, folks?
Bob Dole is not nearly as strong as everybody said.
At least the networks, I always knew he wasn't.
And Phil Graham did well, not because Phil Graham is strong, but because Bob Dole's weak.
I don't buy the idea that giving China commerce will somehow raise the standard of living and thus the political consciousness of the people who live in China.
I think that what we'll be doing is enabling them to make more sophisticated weapons and to beef up their armed forces.
And they really won't let us influence basic life in mainland China as far as the political ideology.
I think the Chinese people need to straighten their act out on their own and then the rest of the world can welcome them.
They have totally trashed Tibet and nothing is ever said about that.
If a situation like that happened in Europe, there would have been a war over it a long time ago already.
And I think due to the fact that they are geographically as isolated as they are over there, they can pretty much do whatever they want to their immediate neighbors and to their in you know their indigenous population and the rest of the world will never be able to do anything about it.
I mean that's what China has depended upon for centuries already is the relative isolation in that corner of Asia.
The other compelling argument is, if you have been to China or seen China, as I have, you will know what a formidable force it is going to be.
And with as many people as they have in China right now, counted in the billions, not the millions, can you, can we, can the world afford to ignore China?
and if we do do we do it at our own parallel and i
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I oscillate between these positions do you think that if we if we don't ignore them that there's something to be said for the fact that we will be making them a more sophisticated society and that in some ways they may be more dangerous because of that well I guess I'm an advocate of economic upswing being followed by political change.
And China has changed a little bit, sir, and it's because of the economic change.
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Well, you saw it.
I mean, I take your word for it.
I trust your opinion on that.
I'm just wondering if a situation develops where free and open trade to China is the norm, I think that might enable them to get a hold of a lot of technology that right now they have to go through a lot of back doors to get.
It's really a hard call, but I've got to tell you that I'm an advocate, I believe, of as long as they don't get crazy, and the Harry Wu case was kind of crazy, as long as there are not more Canaman squares,
and as long as they appear headed in the right direction, then I would think commerce should continue with China, and that whatever human rights gripes we've got against them, at least then we've got some influence.
I'll tell you, if we cut off the commerce, then we have no influence.
Nothing at all.
No way to crowbar China into doing anything they don't want to do.
If there are billions of dollars at stake, then the next time we've got a Harry Wu situation, he too or they too will be ejected from the country instead of getting a bullet in the back of the head.
so it's a close call but having influence i think is better than not Get a new view of the world with Coast to Coast AM.
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First of all, I want to just thank you for bringing everyone out here to Cornucopia just phenomenal knowledge.
I don't know of anyone else that I've ever listened to at radio that just fills my brain and stimulates me.
You know, I was listening to the show and I thought to myself, do you think, George, the common citizen such as you or I, really has any hope towards the future of any privacy or anything else?
I think we do.
I think eventually so many people will see the light, see what you see, see what I see, that eventually they're going to say enough is enough.
And I think that we do have a future and we're going to win in the long run.
It's going to be bumpy along the way.
It's not going to be easy, but we will get there.
That's my take.
And you know what?
As long as I can continue on the earwaves and tell people this, I shall.
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Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from August 24th, 1995.
Yeah, I just, the other day you were talking about the quickening, and I just wanted to say that people like Charlie and Dr. D are good arguments for that happening pretty soon.
And I sure hope that Windows 95 is pretty easy so they can use it.
Southeast Asia, the main supplier, and the Colombians are gearing up.
Windows 95 is out.
It was the world's best PR job.
The only objection I had to the whole day was Bill Gates with Jay Leno, who said Windows 95 is so easy, even a talk show host can figure It out.
I wonder what Jay Leno's comeback to that was, or he even had one.
They showed it on the news, and it looked like Jay Leno just sort of stood there as the.
But I'm sure that's not the case.
They just didn't include his report.
Hopefully, he had one.
Have you yet loaded Windows 95?
Do you like it?
There was a big discussion on Crossfire yesterday, and they had some guy who thought the computer is the devil's tool, who thinks the computer is replacing personal relationships, who thinks the computer is isolating us from each other, who thinks the computer is evil.
And there is a case that can be made for that.
I'm not going to make it, but he did.
And in a sense, it does tend to isolate us.
I'm very thankful for it.
Without computer and satellite technology, I could not do what I do.
That is, broadcast comfortably from my own home, here in the middle of the desert, truly as much in the middle of nowhere as you can be, and yet at my fingertips have all the news services, all the newspapers and internet connections and websites and satellite television news and CNN.
And, you know, everything I use to compile the information for the program is made possible by this kind of technology.
So I'm going to be the last person to attribute it to the devil, but this guy did.
And you may want to respond to it.
Maybe it's even part of the quickening.
I don't know.
I'm open-minded.
In the O.J. Simpson trial, the screenwriter is not turning over the tapes to anybody, including Furman's new lawyer or the LAPD.
Gil Garcetti says trial ought to go to the jury by late September, they're now calculating.
Detective Furman's going to go back on the stand.
His attorney is saying he may take the Fifth Amendment.
That's going to go over like a lead balloon with a jury, I'm sure.
I said I would read this at the top of the hour, and so I'm going to.
It is an anti-militia thing from Al up in Medford, Oregon, which is really kind of the home to a lot of this sort of thing.
Hartbell, I've heard a lot of noise recently about the constitutional right of citizens to form militia groups in the country.
Have you noticed how the proponents of militia groups seldom refer to phrase in the Constitution, well-regulated militia, when they try to justify their existence?
They usually just refer to the fact that militias are allowed by the U.S. Constitution.
I really doubt that our founding fathers had intended for private citizen militia groups to well-regulate themselves.
Yet, this seems to be the position the groups take.
In fact, nowhere in the Constitution does it say these militia groups were to be made up of self-appointed private citizens.
I feel our founding fathers had intended for our various levels of elected officials to form and regulate the militia groups that would protect, defend, and enforce the laws of the various jurisdictions.
These would be our police departments, state police, county sheriffs, and National Guard.
I don't think the drafters of our Constitution had in mind paranoid, gun-toting malcontents who hide behind the title of patriot.
Their pirating of and the use of this word is beginning to give it a bad connotation.
Perhaps the title, in quotes, overgrown Boy Scout with a bad attitude, end quote, would be more appropriate.
Al from Medford.
Dear Art, now you've got to understand, I don't pre-read these, so sometimes it's a little hard to read what people write.
Where is a wheel?
It is a wonder to me why anyone would find reports that Seattle's needle has been altered to resemble Pat's wheel to be surprising.
Seems the total commercialization of American fixtures and fashion is imminent.
Consider the entire genre of the game show.
These popular programs exist for most intents and purposes as half-hour advertisements for their sponsors.
Under the guise of presenting prizes to contestants, the Wheel of Fortune succeeds in selling much more than vowels.
So, does the suggested modification of a landmark surprise me?
No.
It does, however, leave me to consider the possibilities of what could follow.
Will Miss Liberty's torch be replaced by a coke and a smile?
Might it be that Mickey's likeness will appear as an addition to Mount Rushmore?
And finally, could Minnesota's Mall of America be declared a national monument?
I guess Pat, Vanna, and the rest of us will just have to wait and see.
I, unlike last night's caller Crystal, do not interpret your attitude with regard to the late Texas millionaire final fling to be sexist or offensive.
As a woman in my early 20s, who is fortunate to be blessed with both intelligence and good looks, I am flattered by your appreciation of feminine charm.
Perhaps it will flatter you to know that you are the only man that I choose to share my bedroom with nightly, and doing so brings me great pleasure.
Signed, Tanya, in Cogotown, San Diego.
P.S. In response to recent events discussed on the show that you have attributed to the quickening, one resounding sentiment comes to mind.
Mama never said there'd be days like this.
Yeah, mama never did.
Though my mama's having quite a day of her own.
She lives out on the tip of Long Island, whereas you know wildfires are presently raging.
And I actually talked to her at the bottom of the last hour and I was going to let her go on the air and talk to you, but she said you already told them what they need to know.
To get to my mom, it would have to jump over the bay and it's not going to do that.
Those fires are really bad, so keep your eyes and ears open, Mom.
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At this point, I'm not happy with the direction that government is taking us.
I'm happy with the fact that Americans are beginning to wake up and stand up and do what they have to do and shout and scream and blog.
And I think that's critical.
And I think that's what's going to save the Republic.
I think in the long run, as we go through all this stuff, it's the people who will save us and our country will remain strong.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from August 24th, 1995.
I've got a prediction from a listener here for you in a moment, but right now, back to the unexpected.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
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Yeah, hello, Art.
I just wanted to say that your fellow that wrote you from Oregon about the militia probably misses the point when he lumps together the sheriffs and the National Guard, because actually these people have different jurisdictions and different things that they deal with, and lumping them all together as some sort of unified police force is kind of a phony concept.
Well, hopefully, but that is exactly what the result was.
That began with the BATF, as I recall, involved local law enforcement, and then the FBI, I believe, and even certain aspects of the military.
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Yeah, and actually it seemed to me that it should have stopped at the local level.
But I wanted to talk about tobacco, the war on tobacco.
It seems to me that the Stamp Act was the definitive thing that really got the American Revolution going, and that tobacco played a huge part in this country being able to win its independence from England.
And I think it's kind of interesting that this president has chosen to attack tobacco in such a way, and that actually tobacco is one of the, like it or not, one of the foundations of this country.
Friday night and Saturday mornings are typical good alien line nights.
So if you've never heard it, maybe I'll do it tomorrow night.
Listen to this prediction.
Take it for what it's worth.
10.19 p.m., 24 August, 95.
Dear Art, I may be, this is from Charlotte, by the way, who I respect on a lot of levels.
A re-earthquake prediction.
I may be wrong, but usually I'm not.
Within the next 48 hours from the above time, let me give it to you again, 10.19 BM, 24 August, 95, we can expect significant volcanic and or earthquake activity.
Unfortunately, I am not able to pinpoint locations, but usually I pick up an approximate north-south axis from Portland area until it reaches Southern California, then spread southeast and southwest in a fan pattern.
I've been able to predict volcanic and earthquake activity for 18 years, and it is getting more and more concentrated, with severe physical and different symptoms relating to each type of event.
I realize it sounds odd, but I believe you have a mind open to all possibilities, so please note the time and date.
And if an occurrence happens, it will be confirmed.
Have you ever seen the little girl who works for one of the other phone companies and she peeks out from behind a computer and she says, AT ⁇ T, you're not going to like this.
Have we really come to the point in this country where somebody can't say something like that, oh, she's so cute, without being accused of being a packwood?
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Well, see, women know, see, men don't understand.
The majority of men don't understand that the women go in to the workplace, they want to perform, they want to do a good job.
And if men are just judging them on their looks, women are like a beauty conscious every day of their lives.
So men are always judging them.
First thing on how they look.
Oh, she's so cute or whatever.
You want to go in there and perform and do your job well.
It would be lucky if a bunch of them don't get arrested.
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Yeah, and you know, and the other thing I wanted to say in regards to them becoming an economic power, it may happen, but they're also going to have a huge problem because their sexism, of course, baby boys are valued.
Families are only allowed to have one child, and they value the baby boy.
So all these baby girls are being abandoned in orphanages.
Anybody else know the girl I'm talking about in that commercial?
And then the crowning moment is after she's delivered this message to AT ⁇ T, she has this little smile that, and I can only figure the AT ⁇ T executives absolutely go bonkers when they see it.
It's sort of a gotcha, have a nice day, AT ⁇ T kind of smile.
And I think she's the cutest button.
We'll be right back.
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He wrote at the end of the fax, you can't deny this truth and don't dare read this on the air.
Jack, I don't rise to that bait anymore.
You know what I do with faxes that say you won't dare read this on the air?
That's what I do with them.
I don't rise to that bait anymore.
So those of you who want me to read a fax on the air, don't write down in the end, you won't dare read this on the air, because you're right, I won't.
It has nothing to do with a dare.
It has to do with no longer rising to the bait.
Art, good taste.
You, me and a friend were discussing how we would switch to MCI in a heartbeat.
That's it.
MCI, that's got the girl.
If they just had her call us personally, smiles, Shidosha from Omaha, Nebraska.
And Artville, I agree that no one in the Republican Party has caught fire.
Consider that such is the case with most of talk radio being conservative, with day-to-day bashing of Clinton.
Yeah, I know.
Yet at this time, he is enjoying very strong popularity.
Does this mean that talk radio has no influence?
Or does it mean the voters are more liberal than conservative?
I don't believe Clinton can beat the polls in 96.
As a matter of fact, by 96, I believe the Republicans will be voted out of office in great numbers.
I do believe the Christian right will have moved into a third party.
Perhaps it will be united we stand.
I agree with you on China.
They will walk through Japan and have a great impact on the Western world by the year 2000 from Ramon.
It is true.
They will.
Nothing is going to stop it.
The world might be able to slow it down a little bit by not dealing with China.
But in the end, China is going to do what China is going to do.
And, you know, if you doubt that, go take a visit, go take a look, and it'll be a revelation for you, believe me.
Here aren't with the revelation of the Furman tapes.
The Simpson trial will fail in the district attorney's attempt at conviction.
It's an all-too-obvious conclusion.
After the people, taxpayers of L.A. and former Detective Furman are done enriching the wallets of Mr. Cochran, Bailey, and of course Mr. Simpson, what happened in the civil lawsuit of Rodney King versus the city of Los Angeles will be seen to be a nuisance suit.
By the way, the cost will be the potential lost income of Mr. Simpson's commercial value for the rest of his natural life.
You know, that could be true.
Everybody talks about the potential civil liabilities on all sides of this, but have they thought about a real acquittal?
And then Mr. Simpson's civil position.
In other words, he could go after the city, couldn't he?
I would suppose.
If it is a complete acquittal.
Dewberry, huh, in Texas?
Dear Art, I'm up and running.
It was relatively easy as compared to the beta version, meaning Windows 95.
A little tip before you install is take out all of your TSR programs from memory, change your swap settings to temporary.
They already are.
You shouldn't have any problem with installation after that.
Glad to hear about Dreamland coming to WOAI land on Sundays, and indeed it is.
Ms. Art, I think from Houston, Texas, checking through the NARTSH directory, I found no listing for you under Talk Broadcasters or CBC under Syndicators.
Have you and CBC been approached for membership?
No, you know, you see, it's an interesting thing that we have done with this program, and we are going to continue to do it this way.
A lot of the talk show hosts out there go running from convention to convention.
They're at every NAB convention.
They go shooting off to appear before C-SPAN.
They join all these various organizations.
I am not a joiner.
So we don't do that.
We just keep trucking and doing what we're doing.
And it's working just fine.
Thank you very much.
So we're not joiners.
And that's the name of that tune.
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First of all, I want to just thank you for bringing everyone out here to Cornucopia.
Just phenomenal knowledge.
I don't know of anyone else that I've ever listened to at radio, and that just fills my brain and stimulates me.
But, you know, I was listening to the show, and I thought to myself, do you think, George, the common citizen such as you or I, really has any hope towards the future of any privacy or anything else?
I think we do.
I think eventually so many people will see the light, see what you see, see what I see, that eventually they're going to say enough is enough.
And I think that we do have a future, and we're going to win in the long run.
It's going to be bumpy along the way.
It's not going to be easy, but we will get there.
That's my take.
And you know what?
As long as I can continue on the airwaves and tell people this, I shall.
Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Art Bell First time caller line, you're on the air.
Well, look, look, now, you've got to remember, a good night's sleep is just an expression, and a good day's sleep is every bit as good as a good night's sleep.
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I know.
Well, you know, the first night I ever heard you was when Gordon Michael Scallion was on.
That was quite a night to be introduced to your program.
And I also heard you say something about, the reason I called was you had mentioned something about Pat Robertson.
And he is writing a book called The End of the Age.
And in it is a lot of the things that Gordon Michael Scallion is talking about.
However, his is more probably from a religious side.
But it's amazing how both people of the religious side and the people of, you know, just people that are wondering about what's happening in the world are all getting the same kind of a feeling that something is in the air.
Well, one of the things that was really interesting that he said, and I didn't realize that, was that the Kobe, Japan quake came a year to the day of the Northwood quake.
But he did say that, you know, if one even three miles wide went into the, well, they signed it, say, he didn't say that, went into the Gulf of Mexico, I don't know whether he means the ways or what it was, but it would extend up to Missouri.
Does that sound logical to you?
So I'm thinking about hailboff, you know, and it's, what was it, 100 miles across or 133 miles across?
But I'm just curious, how could they ever find anyone to say no?
They don't know anything about the trial.
and by now i would think that most people that watch that or follow it have come to some sort of conclusion in their own mind already i don't think speaking of cute girls did you uh...
I wanted to talk about, I wanted to refute Radio Free Oklahoma on the ARC, but I think I'll keep that for a minute and talk instead about the connection between the Chinese and the millennium.
All right.
But first maybe a little one-liner.
If computers are the ultimate evil, then Bill Gates is the devil himself.
Well, what do you think about computers in general?
Are they God's gift to mankind?
Or are they something awful?
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The only software that counts is between your two ears.
The rest is just machinery.
I wanted to say something about the Chinese.
Do you appreciate the fact that the Chinese do not have any concept of the end of the world and what kind of psychological advantage that culture will have over us because we're going to be embroiled, bogged down, in this kind of anticipating the end of the world malaise that happened in the year 1000 in Europe and is inevitably going to happen again?
I think you appreciate the psychological advantage that Chinese culture is going to have because they see time as an ever-cycling future, you know, cycling through the seasons.
I mean, they're going to be up and producing, and we're going to be bogged down in Gordon Michael's scallion, about which I have a revelation, incidentally.
Well, I think, yes, they would deal with it pragmatically.
Absolutely.
No question about it.
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And you are aware that in the year 1000 in Europe, Europe went crazy anticipating the return of Christ, and flagellants, flagellanti went through the street beating each other on the back in conga lines and with whips.
Are you aware of that?
No.
Europe went crazy in the year 1000.
You know, that's why I wanted people to know that this is the first year of the third millennium.
But one thing about Michael, Gordon Michael Scallion, and this is a revelation that I'd like to share.
This is very dangerous stuff.
These millennial, millenistic, apocalyptic, Armageddon kind of scenarios are very dangerous in a quantum universe.
If this were a Newtonian, deterministic universe where events were fairly fixed, it would be harmless.
But we live in a quantum universe where the future is recreated at the microscopic, at the micro level, at every instant.
Nevertheless, and I don't necessarily disagree with you regarding the danger.
I think he's right.
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I think that he could be right and that we're participating in this.
And sometime I'll call in about the quantum vacuum and our connection to God thereby.
But I'd like to leave your listeners with another little quiz, one-liner, if you don't mind.
All right.
If we abandoned the bad math Christian calendar that I talked about last night with its missing year and retrieved our classical European calendar, what year would it be?
If you add up the reaction of the defense, predictable, you know, this is chilling, it's awful, it's terrible, you would expect them to say that.
But then if you listen to Marcia Clark and you look at the expression on her face, she knows that it's what the defense says it is.
And then if you add on top of that the fact that Mark Fuhrman has now got himself a criminal lawyer, and that attorney is saying he will, in great likelihood, take the fifth when he takes the stand, I would say that would add up to a big problem for the prosecution.
And with regard to admissibility, that judgment will be made on content, not any question of legality regarding whether it would be inadmissible because it was taped.
If there is a secret government manipulating, you know, the hidden hand, manipulating our president and other presidents around the world, it's doing a lousy, lousy job.
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Well, I'll tell you what the secret government's name is.
One of the arms of the secret government is called the octopus.
We have lost that, and that's why you and I are going to die and leave the planet to the people who will sue each other for even staring at one another.
unidentified
I know.
And there's, of course, a lot of girls and women, females that are kind of asking for it with these wonder bras and short skirts and all, and so they've got to expect some of this.
No, there's Edgar Casey, another very famous person.
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Okay, if you can imagine Genghis Scallion from Upper Mongolia in prehistory explaining the geophysical problems in geography that he had no knowledge of and what they were saying to him.
Two, in the light of Noah's Ark discovery, what do you think Noah called the quickity?
Well, you see, you know, I've been listening to some of these right-wingers calling in, talking about how disappointed they are with the Republicans who are lined up against Clinton.
And let me say something.
It's not the Republicans who are lined up against Clinton.
I think what it is, is that it's the Republican theme.
As long as the Republicans have the same old, stuck-in-the-mud, old lines, it's not going to matter who they run.
They're still going to lose.
And I don't think, I mean, these guys who are running, you've got Lamar Alexander, you've got Graham.
Well, I think it's simply called not being able to use government in any way and just sitting on their butts and giving money to the military and to the rich.
Well, when you give breaks to the rich, people with money, then you create jobs.
Now, you choose to call that welfare, but for example, if somebody's able to sell something and not get raped by tax, then they take that money and reinvest it.
And they're the ones who have the power to do that, create jobs.
So you may call it welfare for the rich.
I call it investing in the future for America and the creation of jobs for those people that you claim you want to represent.
But in fact, your real constituency are the people sitting on their butts getting a check from people just like you every month.
That's your real constituency.
That's why you never really talk about welfare unless you talk about welfare for the rich, welfare for corporations.
Want to talk about welfare.
Don't want to talk about welfare for the people because those are the only people about you got left to vote for you.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hello, Art.
This is the Agile Independent out of Austin, Texas.
Well, look, one of the disqualifiers, sir, I've got to run because we were here at the bottom of the hour, for anybody having a firearm is mental instability.
So, no, I don't want anybody who is mentally unstable to have a gun.
Thank you very much.
That only makes common sense, and I'm all for it.
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We'll be right back.
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I believe you're proud.
And the sky is gray.
And the sky is gray.
I believe you're wrong.
If I didn't tell her, I didn't tell her.
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And I've got a building curiosity, you know, about how America...
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There's going to be a lot of people, some people that will go out of their head, but there will be a lot of disbelievers, but there's going to be a lot of people like me.
I've only been since last December that I've been open to this type of thing.
These photographs are going to, particularly the moving photographs, are going to shake up a lot of people, I believe.
We'll see.
Or maybe it's true that there's been so much done on this subject that our heads have been so filled with ETs and the idea of extraterrestrials and all the rest of it that there will not be much of an impact.
But I tend to believe the other way.
By the way, I'm going to be on KFYI, I think, just after 5 o'clock in the morning this morning, doing an interview, and I suspect they're going to be asking about that.
And I am intrigued, and those of you that have been privy to our newsletter, I would be interested in your opinion of how you think the American public is going to react.
So, by the way, while we're on the subject, the next, you've still got time to get subscribed before the next newsletter comes out, and it is going to have one whale of a spectacular photograph of Halebop, the comet.
Very spectacular.
It's going to have a photograph of my studio, the one from which I broadcast right now.
Well, see, we can lock on it, we can acquire it, and then track it, and then take a picture of it and bring it back here to our local high school.
But what I was going to ask is, why don't you get a real comet expert on one of your shows, like Shoemaker, Dr. Shoemaker, or David Levy, who's worked a lot with comets?
Well, it's got gravitational influences to, and who knows whether they've calculated them all.
I mean, how many times have you ever heard scientists say, one day one thing, and the next day, well, late studies and recent observations now show us that the following is true.
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Well, you know, those comets are very bad, too, because when they give off, when they outgast, that acts like a small thruster, and it can kick it one way or another, up or down, left or right.
Well, I believe if everything goes the way the Los Angeles County prosecution has in the past, I believe they're going to have maybe a loss on their hands this time.
The police department also, of course, Willie Williams with his tape message to all the police officers.
But you got to think, the Menendez brothers, what happened?
But, sir, again, let me say again, they're not poor.
The prosecution is not poor.
Much as I may have complained at times about Marsh Clark's persona, she's been very effective.
You listen to me very carefully when I say this.
I don't know that I feel that way about Chris Darden, but even he is pretty good at what he does.
Marsh Clark's very good at what she does.
And if this case is lost, I'm not going to blame it on Marsha Clark.
I'm telling you right now, it's not going to be Marsha Clark's fault.
It's going to be Mark Fuhrman's fault, in my opinion.
If Mark Fuhrman lied, that's the case.
Clark's got one avenue she can go down, the one I talked about a little while ago, and that is going after Fuhrman just the way the defense is, and then backtracking and saying, but look, we should have a guilty verdict here based on the evidence.
Even take away what Fuhrman testified to and disregard it.
If you believe the man is a racist, if you believe the man as a result of hearing these tapes, is any of this, then fine, disregard what he said and simply look objectively at the rest of the evidence.
Then they've got a chance, not a good one, but a chance.
And I bet that's exactly the tactic they will use.
You will see one damn angry Marsha Clark when Furman's back on the stand if that evidence is damning.
And she'll have a right to be angry because her case is going down the old tuberino.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hey, Art.
Hello.
How are you doing?
Okay.
Here's just a little speculation for you or something just to throw at you.
Yes.
What if O.J. Finson team bought off Mark Furman, they knew about the tapes before the whole thing and paid him to lie on the stand?
And you had mentioned one time about whether, and it sounds like you were kind of questioning whether that could possibly be, that they could control it.
But I remember years ago, and that's how come I had phoned Alan Berg, was because in the Science Digester, Science Mechanics, and they had a thing where Tesla had suggested that they might be able to control it with some type of atmospheric wall.
So I was wondering if you knew about that, because it sounded like you kind of questioned that they would be able to.
They have, but conditions have never been right and they've never been ready.
Now they are.
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Turkish government wouldn't let this, I don't know, several different people go up there.
At the turn of the century, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, a young guy named George Hagopian, I think his name was, was led by his uncle up the mountain Ararat there.
I think it's called Mount Nizir in Sumerian.
Led up the mountain to go on to this park.
And he climbed on top and saw these, well, I don't recall now whether there was a big hatch in the top and some little slits along the top edge.
Anyway, there have been reports over the years that it was broken in half and half of it fell down the mountain.
And I do hear a little bit on you right now, kind of a very hard-to-describe sort of after sound.
Is that what you're hearing?
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That's what I'm hearing, but when I'm not using the phone, but just listening to the radio, I get it when someone is calling you, and every word that they modulate, you know, has that after ring to it.
It's been said before about 120 years ago and several times since then, but it's time to say it again because it's finally becoming philosophically true.
I think you're making an awfully gigantic leap there based on the performance of mankind or your disappointment at the deity and not stopping what's going on and you're disregarding the concept of free will.
Well, yeah, but I also see it as just there's so much.
Everybody's got a camcorder, it seems.
And the information age, you know, we're just coming to birth on the information age.
And it's just an overflood of it.
They've always been happening.
It's always been there.
Maybe different from the weather.
I mean, that's different.
But like on the killings and stuff, maybe they, just because of population densities, and it's been going on, it just hasn't been reported as intensely.
And not many people have been listening to the news as much back 30, 40 years ago.
I don't think 34 years 30 or 40 years ago we had daily accounts of people being pushed off bridges, children throwing children out of high rises, crack moms throwing their children out of windows, and dads gluing eyelids shut and five-year-old girls.
I could go on and on and on.
I'm telling you, it is just my observation.
Everybody keeps asking me about the quickening.
I did an interview yesterday in Illinois.
Sterling, Illinois, I might add.
And that was one of the main questions about the quickening.
And everybody out there can either think that I'm full of it, if you wish, that's fine, or accept it as simply a judgment of somebody who's been watching the news very carefully for a lot of years now, and I have.
As simply an observation of fact, I do not say where it's going, what it is, or what it's from.
Many times she stays up and listens to the program, makes it say halfway through, or even all the way through.
And because of the nature of the work that I do and the hours that I keep, it is all very erratic.
Sometimes I will sleep a little bit in the morning and times not.
Sometimes I will sleep at 1 or 2 in the afternoon, or sometimes I get barely any sleep at all.
It's not a healthy sleep schedule.
There's no question about it.
I do not have a healthy sleep schedule.
And it is because of events.
I'm driven to monitor events, and the O.J. Simpson trial has disrupted my life now for a long time.
And I, for one, will be very glad from a life point of view when it's over so that I can get a little bit of sleep.
I'm magnetically drawn to it.
I know that you can watch the little 30-minute summaries they give or we're giving on CNN every night.
But it's not enough.
I am fascinated enough with it, drawn to it enough, that I make it a point to get a little nap so I can get up to watch the O.J. Simpson trial until my eyes can't stand it anymore, and then I drop back off to sleep again.
So that's typical, and my wife sort of mirrors that.
I knew that, and I didn't even have to watch the show.
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Well, they have some other interesting stories about a factor that the body produces that may actually help AIDS patients live with this virus for the rest of their life.
And they're also, thank you, doing research on a bunch of prostitutes in Africa who should have AIDS and do not have AIDS.
And the answer to AIDS may well lie with them.
No pun intended.
When you have somebody apparently immune to a disease that kills everybody else, ultimately, you've got some serious investigation to do.
And so they're looking into that now.
and we'll see what they have to say.
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At this point, I'm not happy with the direction that government is taking us.
I'm happy with the fact that Americans are beginning to wake up and stand up and do what they have to do and shout and scream and blog.
And I think that's critical.
And I think that's what's going to save the Republic.
I think in the long run, as we go through all this stuff, it's the people who will save us and our country will remain strong.
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