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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring coast to coast a.m. from August 23rd, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, or good morning, as the case may be, across all these very many time zones, from the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands, east to the U.S. Virgin Islands in the Caribbean, South, well into South America, north to the North Pole.
		We call it post-to-coast, and the title still works.
		There's more posts.
		Welcome, everybody.
		I'm Mark Bell, and this is live Overnight Talk Radio.
		Actually, the largest Overnight Show in America, period.
		Good to be here.
		A couple of notes.
		One is the late news that Harry Wu may be out, and I guess the First Lady will be in.
		Harry Wu may be out of jail.
		Got a 15-year sentence, but expelled.
		So I'm not sure what the 15-year sentence means.
		It means they were angry, but you're out of here.
		And probably means they want the First Lady to come and talk at the women's, attend the women's conference in China.
		And I wonder how you feel about that.
		It does seem an odd place for it, you know, Communist China, where women, I can assure you from my recent visit, do not have one of the higher places in their society, to put it mildly.
		So it seems an odd place for the conference, but it was Asia's turn to have it, and Communist China volunteered for whatever reason.
		Who knows?
		Well, it sure was fun.
		I did part of the morning show yesterday morning on KCMO in Kansas City, and we had a blast.
		Some of you may have heard that, those of you who are up late, you know.
		Tomorrow morning, or yes, now, still in this time zone, tomorrow morning, I'll be doing yet another one with WSDR in Sterling, Illinois, 12.40 on the dial in Sterling, so if you're up at that time, I will be about the same 30, same, yeah, it'll be the same 30, 9.30 Central Time.
		Now, at the beginning of the program, I just got a call prior to the program that, in fact, there is a beginning eruption of a volcano in the Caribbean.
		Now, this is pretty serious news if you've ever listened to Gordon Michael Scallion.
		And I'll tell you what, I have got the Gordon Michaelscallion interview that I played a couple of weeks ago, and I may play it again after midnight.
		I just may root it out and play it.
		In the meantime, I'm going to open my first time caller line for the Caribbean so we can find out what's going on out there.
		What is going on out there?
		Any of you in the U.S. Virgin Islands who have any knowledge of this apparent eruption or eminent eruption, I'm not sure, of a volcano, I've got this now from two separate sources.
		I really would like to know about it.
		So, if you're in the U.S. Virgin Islands, it is the first time caller line that I will hold open for you when we begin to take calls.
		At area code 702-727-1222.
		Let me give it again.
		From the U.S. Virgin Islands, anybody with any info on this volcano, area code 702-727-1222.
		And I'll be asking everybody else to hold off until we get our info.
		Now, germ warfare, nobody, well I guess we now do, know how very close we came to all-out warfare.
		Terrible warfare.
		It was disclosed today in Jordan that Saddam Hussein had biological, and get this, chemical weapons loaded in weapons, ready to use in the Gulf War, both in short-range and long-range weapons, capable of hitting Israel.
		Ralph Vacayas, the UN's guy who's in charge of trying to get rid of all those weapons, confirmed everybody's worst fears.
		And we had them at the time of that war.
		As I said, both short and long-range weapons loaded to the gills with up to 13 gallons of anthrax, 13,000 gallons of anthrax, which will shut down your respiratory system.
		Botulism, 130,000 gallons, the world's deadliest poison.
		It attacks the central nervous system and basically shuts down your heart and your lungs and you.
		Now, the big question was, he had it all loaded, ready to go.
		So why didn't he use it?
		Well, the answer is, because George Bush said, if you do, we will respond with nuclear weapons.
		And, of course, he meant it.
		So, what does this mean?
		It means even Saddam Hussein was not completely insane.
		That he was not completely suicidal.
		That he knew exactly what would occur if he used those weapons against U.S. troops fighting wherever they were in Kuwait.
		If he used it against the Saudis or the Israelis, so he didn't do it.
		Moral of the story?
unidentified		Deterrent works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But then you've got to wonder about next time.
		what do you mean next time?
		Senator Luger is holding hearings now, this week, on all of the Russian, apparent Russian sales of high-grade nuclear bomb-grade materials.
		Weapons-grade, they call it.
		Says, one day we may see square miles of American cities vaporized.
		And it kind of set me to thinking.
		You know, as we grew up, many of us my age, we all feared the big one, the big nuclear exchange.
		Remember duck and cover?
		Under the desk.
		Cover the back of your neck.
		This will help you survive a nuclear war.
		Well, I wonder what our children will face.
		And it seems to me, with proliferation the way it is, they're going to face, in effect, a far greater danger than we did.
		Possibly not the extinction of the whole human race on the planet, as there would have been with a big one, but a lot of small ones.
		Imagine the terror, not knowing what city would go up next.
		Imagine the terror we just had with Oklahoma City.
		What if that had been a nuclear device?
		Impossible?
		Not at all.
		according to most of those in the know in fact eventually probable oh Here's some exciting news for Coaster Coast fans.
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		Here's what you missed on Coast2Coast AM with George Norrie.
		Hey, you were recently on talking about the men in black, and we're not talking about Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones.
		We're talking about serious men in black.
		What are they up to?
		Basically, their sole job is to limit public knowledge, and I guess if you meet them, you must know something too much.
		Do they scare people?
		Oh, absolutely.
		Some people are wondering what in the world is going on, and who are these guys?
		Now we take you back to the night of August 23rd, 1995, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music OJ, one of the more interesting days in the trial, one of the world's very respected, foremost forensic scientists hit very hard the prosecution's single killer theory using blood spatter evidence.
		Oh, he was very, he threw it around and showed everybody how it ought to spatter.
		Said that, in fact, he believes he's identified shoe prints from a second killer.
		Either that or OJ wore two pairs of shoes while he did the killing.
		Said, have you ever heard of that before?
		He said no.
		So, this would seem to be pretty serious evidence.
		In other words, they do not match the shoes the prosecution says OJ wore the night of the murders.
		Not his.
		If not his, then whose?
		It means the possibility of a second killer.
		Add to that the latest fallout, we're going to hear it all by the time they finally get into court, from the Furman tapes.
		The New York Times reported, NBC confirmed, talk of something called kill parties, where police get together after a suspect has been killed and party.
		Furman said, allegedly, quote, it's like the end of a football game where you just won the championship and you're on a real high.
		You're dominant.
		You're powerful.
		You're unbeatable, end quote.
		Now, Detective Furman has a new attorney, this time a criminal lawyer, who may have to defend him against charges of perjury.
		And Furman's new criminal lawyer said, well, if they call him back to the stand, it may be Detective Furman will choose to take the fifth.
		And that should be interesting.
		In a letter sent to possible donors, Detective Furman said the following, quote, I am the latest victim of a new and deliberate strategy used by lawyers to defend their clients.
		That would be ignore the crime, ignore the evidence, just attack and destroy the cops involved.
		Falsely charge that they're brutal, evil, or in any case, capable of framing an innocent citizen for murder for racist reasons.
		End quote.
		And with that, he is trying to raise some money for his possible defense.
		And I guess my only question would be, if you were on the jury and Detective Fuhrman was called back into court, now remember, if you're on the jury, presumably you don't know anything about these tapes.
		You don't have the slightest idea.
		If you were on the jury, the last thing that's in your mind is that Detective Fuhrman was a very good witness.
		That F. Lee Bailey didn't manage to pull a thing from him.
		And that that very passionate cross-examination was basically useless.
		And Furman was a tough, rough, tough Sockham witness and had his act together.
		So if that same, if you're on the jury and the same guy, same detective, Mr. I've got it together, comes back to the stand and begins to take the Fifth Amendment and refuses to answer questions, if you're on that jury, what do you think?
		What do you think that would do to the prosecution's case?
unidentified		Big trouble, I suspect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		More trial news.
		The Menendez brothers go back on trial soon.
		Jury selection has begun for a second trial.
		It will take several weeks just to get a jury.
		First trials, you'll recall, ended up with dual or two-hung juries.
		I wonder if it's come to the point in America where the old saying has become now literal, that you can get away with murder.
		You can get away with murder.
		Congressman Mel Reynolds going to jail for a lesser crime.
		Sentencing date, September 12th.
		Convicted on 12 counts of sexual misconduct involving a 16-year-old campaign worker.
		He'll get a minimum mandatory four years and could probably get as much as 80 if they really went after him.
		Larry Hagman, the actor, diagnosed about three years ago with cirrhosis of the liver after admitting to years of heavy drinking, has received a new liver today.
		They had found a cancerous tumor on his liver last month.
		So here we are once again.
		Mickey Mantle, of course you know about that very tragic story, and now Larry Hagman.
		And I guess all I would ask is this, and I'm not going to begrudge anybody a liver, save their life, Hagman or Mantle or anybody else.
		But why is not this evidence, along with what happened to Mantle, and so many others, why does this evidence, this health problem, not deserve the same kind of legislative attention as cigarettes do from our president?
		I'd like to know about that.
		I wonder if any of you have any thoughts on that.
		Kind of an interesting piece from Unsolved Mysteries last night.
		I think it was a repeat, but it was really interesting.
		And it is kind of a religious...
		I think it's a religious topic.
		It has to do with spontaneous remission.
		Now, a lot of people out there would say, well, of course there's spontaneous remission.
		I mean, occasionally things cure themselves up in your body.
		However, they documented with evidence, mammogram evidence, that a woman who went in like on a Friday and had a mammogram, there was clear, undisputable evidence of lumps, you know, of cancerous, possibly cancerous lumps.
		So she was due to go get another mammogram and possibly a mastectomy or whatever other treatment was due.
		And she went home and prayed.
		Prayed.
		And she said that there was an answer.
		A soft, gentle voice that answered her.
		Told her it would be okay.
		She went back to the doctor's office Monday morning.
		They did another mammogram, and there was not even a hint of a lump.
		Nothing.
		Gone.
		And unsolved mysteries then referred to a double-blind, you know, when you're trying to prove something, you do something called a double-blind study.
		And you've got two groups that you're looking at.
		And they documented that the people, I know this may sound wild to some of you and not be a surprise to others, but people who had very serious, life-threatening illnesses in group one prayed and had people pray for them.
		In the other group, there were no prayers.
		And I forget the numbers, but it was very, very significant.
		The power of prayer is what I'm asking you about.
		Now, you know me.
		Mr., I've got to be shown or have it proven to me.
		And while I thought all of this was very interesting, and these are just examples, I wonder in my own mind whether the power of prayer is Answered from an external source,
		God, our Maker, whoever, or whether the power of prayer is strongly felt within the person doing the praying.
		So strongly felt that they manage to actually, with the power of their own mind, and look, you've got to understand, I do not rule out this possibility.
		With the power of their own mind, cure themselves.
		And therein lies an interesting discussion, I suppose.
		And I'm not sure what the answer is, but I do believe this story.
		And I just gave you a couple.
		They are legion of people claiming the power of prayer curism.
		And certainly, lumps shown in a mammogram, they showed them on TV, in a mammogram, done Friday, gone Monday.
		That's just not a normal, slow, but sure remission.
		That's kind of off into the category of magic, miracle.
		You know, you use the word you want to use.
		But it certainly is something that is occurring beyond our understanding.
		Wouldn't you say?
		All right, we're going to break here at the bottom of the hour.
		Strap in.
		I have no idea what's coming next.
		I only know that it's on the way.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an oncore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 23rd, 1995.
		Rule on heart, no one can say they put you.
		Strange world designate bullish people.
		I never dreamed that I'd meet somebody like you.
		I never dreamed that I'd lose somebody like you No, I don't want I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it I'm about to lose
		control, and I think I like it I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I want you You're welcome, yeah I don't want, I don't, I don't, I want you, you're welcome, yeah
		You'll be somewhere in time.
		Before everybody, 6 a.m. from August 23rd, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, everybody.
		Well, I changed my mind.
		That's my prerogative.
		I'm going to do the U.S. Virgin Island thing at the top of the hour.
		That is, the top of this coming hour.
		And I'll tell you what we'll do.
		If it turns out this volcano is erupting, or predicted to be about erupting, and I have now two separate sources saying it is so, I may replay the Gordon Michael Scallion most recent interview that lasts about 20 minutes that I had with him that I think you will find absolutely startling.
		And it concerns a recent group of earthquakes, and the people in LA have never heard this, many of them.
		And so now that I've thought about it, I think that what I will do is going into the news at the top of the hour, try to get a call from the U.S. Virgin Islands.
		And we will do that coming out of the top of the hour and then play that interview, perhaps in its entirety.
		There's been just too much going on that has been confirmatory with regard to the predictions made by Mr. Scallion.
		A facts just came in are please don't perpetuate the celebrity favoritism fallacy concerning organ transplants.
		No matter where one is on the list, if the organ type match does not fit, that one has got to wait no matter how much money or notoriety the recipient has.
		Well, that's from David in South Carolina.
		David, I wasn't doing that.
		As a matter of fact, if you were listening, David, what I said was, with the news of these, now obviously when they're celebrities, they're news.
		So with the news of the organ transplants, and in both cases, cirrhosis involved, meaning a lot of drinking, admitted by both people in these cases, my question was, why is it not being treated legislatively, the liquor industry, as the tobacco industry is being treated?
		Now, that was my angle.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Oh, boy, that was quick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good.
unidentified		This is Owen from Princeton, Minnesota, and I, first of all, want to thank you for the Cusco CDs that I won.
unidentified		They arrived on Monday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they arrived on Monday, and aren't they great?
unidentified		Yeah, they're pretty good.
		Now, I'm calling, not regarding anything tonight, if that's okay.
		I was just calling to talk about the bridge jumping in Detroit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Late news on that is the police chief in Detroit says, well, the reports of the cheering and chanting were exaggerated.
		He didn't say it did not occur.
		He said exaggerated.
unidentified		Well, I kind of want to relate that to Noah's Ark and your mini calls the last couple of nights on the alien visiting us and inserting some sort of DNA in to relate that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, all this really is out ahead of the big release on the 28th of the Roswell film.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, anyway, this may sound kind of harsh, but for the bridge jumping, it seems to me that that's the perfect example of natural selection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		How do you feel about that?
unidentified		Do you think I'm being a little harsh there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		In other words, a natural selection argument might be made if she had said, you know, hey, the world sucks, I'm out of here and jumped.
		Well, but when you're put, wait a minute, sir, when you're pushed or when it's murder, then I wouldn't attribute it to natural selection.
unidentified		Well, anyway, I want to relate that to Noah's Ark by saying that we have two or even three, if you count the alien, three theories about how the human race got on the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Now, we have significant evidence towards two of them, one being Darwinism and the other being a creator.
		You with me so far?
		Now what happens?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, this is not hard stuff so far, sir.
unidentified		Okay.
		Now what happens when we have significant evidence towards both if we find the ark?
		I don't know.
		Are we going to teach both?
		We're going to have to figure out which one's which and which one we should teach in our schools.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would say if the ark is found up on Ararat and it's really what we think it is, and the scientists say there's about 100,000 one that it is not some sort of freak of nature, then, yeah, I would say there's going to be a big argument, a very large argument indeed, about what to teach in schools.
		That was a good call, sir.
		I appreciate your having made it.
		Yes.
		I mean, if the ark, come on now, if the ark is found, it's going to change a lot of things for a lot of people.
		Let's face it.
		A lot of people are going to do it.
		Well, it's probably going to send the Bible right up to the top of the bestseller list, I would say, very quickly, wouldn't you?
		It is one of the more difficult to believe parts of the Bible for a lot of people.
		You know, that the world flooded and Noah had them come on the ship two by two and all the rest of it.
		But my God, what if it's true?
		What if it's true?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, good morning, Colleen from Anchorage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I always wanted to ask you a question about, you used the term free radicals.
unidentified		What do you mean by that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Free radicals are agents, toxins, poisons to you as a human being that come into your body through just about everything that you take into your body, the air you breathe, water, food, toxins generally in the environment.
unidentified		Let me ask you, what is some of the most powerful free radicals?
unidentified		Or maybe even the most powerful free radical?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The most powerful free radical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think, sir?
unidentified		I know.
unidentified		It's chloride.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, not again.
unidentified		Oh, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, not again.
unidentified		My party.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You burdened me with this, sir.
		Fluoride, if taken in gigantic doses, is poisonous.
		There is every bit of evidence that given in the kinds of doses that they say will prevent tooth decay, is not poisonous.
unidentified		Well, fluoride causes tooth decay, and it also causes tooth loss.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thanks.
		See you later.
		Now, I really, I don't want to go through that again.
		Now, fluoride, he says, causes tooth decay, tooth loss, and is the dentist's best friend, no doubt, right?
		Well, every scientific study I've ever seen on fluoride shows that it does, in fact, prevent tooth decay.
		And I know of no study that shows that it is poisoning us through our precious bodily fluids or whatever.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing.
unidentified		Camera in St. Louis.
		You were talking about healing power for the lady with the tumor.
		See, this is my belief, that all power comes used for, well, let's say all power comes.
		All power used for good comes from God.
		All power used for bad purposes comes from the devil, because the devil can give you power.
		And that, you know, God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		where do you think gordon michael scullions power comes from when michael scullion arm mhm I don't know.
unidentified		I don't know enough about Gordon's abilities, but I do know that God allows us to take our next breath.
unidentified		It's in his hands, whether we live or die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was the question, you see, whether really it's in God's hands, every breath we take, or whether, in some sense, it's in our own hands.
		Or you could mix the two and say, well, God is within.
		In other words, I believe, and I do believe this, as you know, we use a very small portion of our brain.
		We understand very, very little about our brain.
		It is a wondrous organism that makes the most powerful computer on earth look like a piece of junk, like a rock.
		The brain's complexity and ability to process information is staggering scientifically.
		So it makes sense to me, just all the sense in the world, that our brain, the most wonderful computer ever conceived, still not understood, can do things that we are not fully aware of.
		What do we use?
		10%, 15%, at best, 10% is what I think I've heard of our brain.
		Well, what is that other 90% there for?
		Is it something we once used?
		Are we using less?
		Are we beginning slowly to use more?
		You know, I don't, that's a very curious question, actually.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Hello, my name is Marsha, and I'm calling from Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excellent, Marcia.
unidentified		And I'm telling you, I really enjoy your program a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I wanted to make a comment about the comment that you made tonight about nuclear war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		That we escaped nuclear war.
unidentified		I don't think a lot of us escaped nuclear war, and I'll tell you why.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not psychologically.
unidentified		No, not psychologically.
unidentified		But the United States was testing the atomic bomb before they dropped it on Nagasaki in Hiroshima.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
unidentified		And a lot of women born in 1945 have had very serious problems conceiving children.
		I'm one of those women.
		I had endometriosis, and I had to have a hysterectomy when I was 27 years old, a total hysterectomy from this terrible disease.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, how do you relate it to the atomic test?
unidentified		My mother was pregnant with me when they were testing this and when the bombs went off in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And where was your mother?
unidentified		My mother was in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
		But if you recall, when they tested an atomic bomb in China, we were told that a nuclear cloud could come over the United States and that we would be exposed to radiation.
		It was above ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I recall.
		Yes.
		Yes.
unidentified		And I was seriously wondering how many other women in the country were affected during these years in 1945.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's hard to know.
		Actually, thank you.
		That was the year of my birth, 1945.
		Thank you very much.
		And I, boy, I'll tell you, that's a bit of a reach.
		There was atomic testing.
		Arguably, there were higher levels of radioactivity in the atmosphere.
		And some of them no doubt reached Earth.
		But how on Earth you would conclude that this affected you or your mom, I'm not sure, and I'm not sure how you would ever, ever make such a connection.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		This is Andy.
		I'm a first-time caller from Boise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good, Andy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glad to have you.
unidentified		Yeah, I wanted to call, talk a little bit about Roswell.
		I have a friend who showed me those pictures of your Dreamland report at your last newsletter here.
		He also has the book, The Truth About The Truth About Roswell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did the pictures impact you?
unidentified		I looked at them and it just kind of was weird.
		It was really weird.
		And then I looked at the sketches that are in the book and looked at the pictures too, and that set my hair up on him.
		That was really bizarre, the way those two, because it was like somebody maybe had seen them or something.
		It just, whoa, that can't be it.
		That can't be for real, but there it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm very much looking forward to the American public's reaction when everybody gets finally to see them.
unidentified		I am, too.
		I'm really looking forward to that.
		I've got the VCR going to be setting it up, and I'm going to check this out.
		That looks really great.
		Well, I'll tell you, I just wanted to call and mention that, because that really struck me big.
		You said before those were going to be good pictures, and they were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they are, right.
		I wouldn't kid you.
		When we put something in the newsletter and it's hot, it's hot.
		And the next one is going to be two.
		Thank you.
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		Now we take you back to the night of August 23rd, 1995, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
		Music.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, west of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, this is Gary Vancouver, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Gary.
unidentified		You were talking about, you know, whether it's mind over matter or if it's God answering prayers or something.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		One paragraph I could read you out of a book for the AA book.
		Remember who Dr. Jung was?
		I don't know if I pronounced that right.
		Worked with Freud and stuff?
		No, it's J-U-N-G.
		Well, you remember who Freud was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		Well, he worked with Freud for a while.
		But this is the patient talking to him, and it's kind of the same thing you were talking about, if it's power of prayer or if it's mind over matter or what.
		But he's asking, you know, he's asking the doctor, you know.
		And the doctor's telling him that you have the mind of a chronic alcoholic.
		I've never seen one single case recover where the state of mind existed to the extent that it does in you.
		Our friend felt, though, as though the gates of hell had closed on him with a clank.
		And he said to the doctor, is there no exception?
		Yes, replied the doctor, there is.
		Exceptions to such cases as yours have been occurring since early times.
		Here and there, once in a while, alcoholics have had what are called vital spiritual experiences.
		To me, these occurrence are phenomena which appear to be in the nature of huge emotional displacements, rearrangements, ideas and other words, a spontaneous remission.
		Yeah, well, that's basically what the AA is all about, is getting into the spiritual part of things and the prayer and meditation and stuff and having a spiritual experience.
		And that's where the people get to where they can space over when nothing else ever worked before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I don't argue a bit with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My question remains, though, whether you think it is an external God force answering prayer or whether it is the power of all these brains.
unidentified		Personally, I feel if the thing was God myself, but, you know, the bottom line is if it works, you know, what does it matter?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're absolutely correct.
		I mean, there's no arguing with that.
		If it works, who cares?
		And I told you they did a double blind study on this that is quite remarkable.
		And it appeared to show that prayer works.
		That the people who pray or get this, who are prayed for, have a much, much higher recovery rate than those who do not.
		Now that, when you think about it, would be pretty remarkable, I would say.
		Wouldn't you?
		Pretty remarkable.
		All right, I'll tell you what I would like to do now.
		During this coming newscast, at the top of the hour, I would like to solicit some calls from the U.S. Virgin Islands.
		We're heard in the U.S. Virgin Islands, thankfully.
		And we now have two reports.
		One, a newspaper report, and the second, a hurried call I got before the program tonight about a Caribbean island, about an eruption of a volcano in the Caribbean.
		So what I would ask you to do in the U.S. Virgin Islands is to begin to ring my first time caller line and just keep dialing until you get through.
		Dial like mad.
		And if you have any information at all about what's going on out there in the Caribbean, I may be moved to replay the latest Gordon Michaelscallion interview because it is so relevant to recent Earth movement and, of course, relevant with regard to what he had to say about any possible volcanic action in the Caribbean.
		So some of this is beginning to hit pretty close to home.
		That is, this living organism we tromp about on.
unidentified		Well, there's another argument, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we've got a lot of information coming in right now about Earth activity.
		I got a call just prior to the show about a possible eruption in the Caribbean.
		Montserrat, I believe it is.
		And I thought I would invite my listeners in the Caribbean.
		In the U.S. Virgin Islands, to try and get through.
		So I'm going to hold the line open now for the U.S. Virgin Islands only.
unidentified		Only.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's see if we can do that.
		Everybody else, hold on.
		Let's see if we can hear from the Caribbean.
		The U.S. Virgin Islands only.
unidentified		Asking about possible volcanic Activity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not in the Virgins, but in the Caribbean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would imagine there'd be a lot of news of it there.
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		I'm concerned about the divide that's happening in this country right now.
		It's almost as if you cannot talk publicly about how you feel about an issue without getting stampeded by someone who doesn't agree with you.
		And you know what?
		That's dangerous in this country.
		The luxury of the United States has been our ability to be able to talk and explain and to take positions without being attacked and ridiculed.
		And I've never seen it worse than it is today.
		And it's got to change because, you know, it's going to take us down the wrong path.
		I just want the truth.
		I want us to be able to go after an issue, whether it's the swine flu or health insurance.
		I just want the truth.
		And then from that point, we as Americans can make up our own minds.
		Now we take you back to the night of August 23rd, 1995, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music All right, I guess ask and ye shall receive on our first time caller line, actually our Virgin Islands line.
		Ha ha, you're on the air.
		How you doing?
unidentified		I am okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
		Turn your radio off.
		That's number one.
		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in St. Thomas, Virgin Islands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		St. Thomas.
		All right.
		Well, we're hearing a lot of interesting things right now about Maserat.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what are they reporting back there?
unidentified		Well, so far, Montserrat is a volcanic island, and lately they've been having disturbances, and they are moving.
		They're getting ready.
		They are at hand and ready, if anything.
		I think there's an 80% chance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An 80% chance.
unidentified		There's an 80% chance.
		That was the last I heard today at the 5 o'clock news here at St. Thomas.
		And they were ready at hand to evacuate, you know, as necessary.
		The people that live there, I think Montserrat population is about 10,500.
		And they're getting assistance from the other neighboring Caribbean islands, Antigua, St. Kitt, Nevis.
		And everybody's at hand, ready and willing to help.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, tell me something.
		Tell me something.
		Have you been following the predictions made by Scallion?
		Have you heard any of those on my program?
unidentified		Not really.
unidentified		I haven't really been following up, but the last I did hear on our local news station here on WSTA Radio, which you are aired every night, that there is an 80% chance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An 80% chance of an eruption.
		And I know there's also been some apparent earthquake activity recently on some other very important islands there in the Caribbean.
		So do you folks have the feeling that something's getting ready to pop?
unidentified		Well, right now, throughout the whole Caribbean, you mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, not necessarily throughout the whole Caribbean.
unidentified		Those particular islands that do have volcanic action.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Vesuvius, for example.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was Earth.
unidentified		No, I don't, I can't, I can't even answer that because I'm not sure what's going on, you know, nature-wise.
unidentified		You know, I can't predict what's going on, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, you're a total darling for calling us and filling us in.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		And so there you've got it from the Caribbean.
		And I just got this.
		Scientists from the University of West Indies, Guadalupe, UK, and the U.S. Geological Survey now estimate, here it is, an 80% chance of a possible major eruption.
		Evacuees, including those from the capital, remain in northern parts of the island.
		Government offices have also now been moved to the same parts.
		So there you have it.
		And here you've got, I want you to hear this.
		We're going to have to break it up possibly in two parts.
		But this is a recent interview that I did with Gordon Michael Scallion.
		I want you to hear it.
		Where are you?
		Where are you, Gordon?
		Hello, Gordon?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Gordon Michael Scallion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gordon, I've been getting a raft of faxes.
		The audience is tremendously concerned.
		I just got a fax from the Matrix Institute.
		Summit up what's going on.
unidentified		The third event in my predicted four quake scenario just occurred in South America, in Chile.
		The scenario states that there would be four quakes that would start the scenario in May or June.
		And it would start it with a quake that would be greater than seven.
		Each of the quakes in the scenario will be seven.
		The average will probably be 7.5 when it's all done.
		The first quake occurred in a Russian island north of the island of Japan that borders on the Sea of Japan.
		That was the first event that occurred, and that occurred on May 27th, and it was of magnitude 7.6.
		The scenario predicted was that within weeks rather than months, the second event in the four-quake scenario would occur, and that would take it down somewhere in the South Pacific region on July 3rd at 1950 UTC time.
		A magnitude 7.1 occurred in New Zealand, or off New Zealand in one of the islands.
		The next event predicted to occur would be a quake, again, greater than 7, that would occur within weeks rather than months in South America.
		And earlier I had posted warnings for the areas around Chile.
		And of course, on Sunday, a quake in the magnitude is still being updated, but it exceeds 8 on the magnitude scale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it does.
		I had heard 7.8.
		It's up over 8 now.
unidentified		It changes, and it may change again.
		The latest report that I had was it's been upgraded to an 8.1.
		And so much of it depends upon what scales they're using to record these quakes.
		And at Matrix Institute, and through the Earth Changing Report, we use the magnitude scale to keep everything consistent.
		Now, the prediction goes on to say that within weeks, again, rather than months, and what that means is that up to seven weeks is within weeks.
		Once we hit eight weeks, we're really talking about two months.
		So I have my understanding of my prediction is that it would be, again, within weeks up to eight.
		There would be a quake, again, greater than seven, and that would occur somewhere in the west coast of America.
		Now, it may be a single quake or it may be multiple quakes.
		The epicenter of that quake under this particular scenario is unknown.
		I do have a long-term running prediction for the west coast, which has not occurred yet.
		The prediction was that there would be three quakes in the Los Angeles area.
		Now, we have had three quakes in the general vicinity, each fulfilling the magnitude that I had predicted.
		However, the large quake that I've seen is in Southern California and Palm Springs.
		And this scenario does not necessarily mean it will be there.
		So that's one.
		I have different predictions running around similar events.
		What I try to do is to provide early warning signs.
		And this four-quake scenario is just that.
		It's an early warning sign.
		So from now until the next seven or eight weeks, I would say we are into a time period where quake activity in the West Coast, which means anywhere from Vancouver, B.C. all the way down into the Baja.
		The entire West Coast, I would say, in my scenario, is on alert.
		And especially with all this heat we've had, my observations and my visions have indicated that when we have a lot of heat, we tend to have larger release of quakes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have a lot of heat, not just in the West Coast, on the West Coast, but all over the country right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If this cycle completes with a quake on the West Coast, what does that bode for the next year say?
unidentified		If this next quake occurs and it does fire off and hit, and again, the statistics of all four of these events happening on magnitude, timeframe, and epicenter is staggering.
		So I don't claim to always get them.
		The first scenario, of course, as you know, we did predict all four of them.
		It doesn't mean this one will go all the way.
		So I want to caution on that.
		I have not seen a vision that says it's assured that this West Coast will occur.
		It's just a warning sign.
		If it does occur, what it indicates, based on 14 years of predictions about the West Coast, is that we have entered that timeframe of unprecedented release of quakes and that in 96 and 97 we will literally fracture California.
		So we have to watch this carefully.
		Now if we have a blessing and nothing happens in the West Coast, then the next cycle begins itself in December.
		So each time the cycle runs, the quakes get bigger and the release of energy becomes stronger.
		So we have another window, the third window, which would be December and then January.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so there it is.
		I guess, how do you feel about this?
		When you see what you have predicted begin to come true, it must stand the hair on the back of your neck up too.
unidentified		Usually what happens is that when there's a large quake that I predicted, or in the case of the hurricanes, which I have predicted, that are maybe unfolding right now, is that I'm usually away.
		In this case, we were so exhausted, physically and mentally exhausted, we took a couple days to go up to the Cape area.
		And I was away, I just arrived, in fact.
		And when I did, they immediately tracked me down, my staff, and said, your third event just happened.
		And it was like somebody had punched me right in the stomach.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought so.
unidentified		And I just turned to my wife, Cynthia, and I said, we've got to cut this short and get back.
		I said, I've got to see what else we can do here.
		At least we can do is to clarify what was said.
		And so we immediately came back and notified through various Internet accessors and media services, at least clarifying.
		I don't have any further visions or information, and I've already been told through my visions that I won't.
		That from this point forward, it's the unfoldment whereby in the late 70s and the 80s, there was always the possibility that some of these things could change based on a lot of things, mostly how we lived our lives.
		And as of March of this year, the visions and the guidance has been that they now start to unfold.
		So 95, 96 are going to be significant years.
		One of the things we were told to watch for is watch for temperatures to exceed 125 degrees.
		And in August, we're going to have more of that kind of temperature, really high stuff.
		And it said that those are all preludes to a larger release of energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		An addendum.
		What's going on near Martinique?
		Some sort of volcanic activity?
unidentified		Oh, yes.
		I wanted everybody to know that.
		Perhaps the greatest seer of all times, in our times, modern times, was Edgar Cayce.
		And one of his predictions was that he talked about the Pele, which is a volcano that is not active, but had been at the turn of the century, on the island of Martinique.
		And he said to watch for that becoming active.
		I've had visions that talked about Vesuvius Etna and a series of islands around Martinique all being connected underneath the ground with lava vents.
		In other words, the lava flows and the tunnels connect these things together.
		And my visions have said that if any of these become active in the circle, that we have to watch out.
		And that indeed, if we get two of them active at two different points, such as Aetna and Pele or Vesuvius and Pele or Vesuvius and Aetna, that it was a prelude to massive earth changes that would occur.
		And we have just been notified, we've been watching it carefully, but the islands, the island north and south of Martinique, and they're very small islands, both these islands on either side have volcanically come to bear.
		In other words, the volcanoes that were dormant no longer are dormant.
		They're both active, which would indicate to me that the whole structure, the magma structure under these islands is all active and that Pele needs to be watched very, very carefully.
		My visions have indicated that when Pele or Vesugus, either one, becomes active, then literally within days we start to see major earth movements.
		Now so far we have no activity on Vesugas and we have nothing on Pele, but the islands north and south of them are active, extremely so.
		And we also have all kinds of other phenomena in the world that's going on now.
		85% of Alaska is literally melting, and we have temperatures in the Pacific that have just risen so high, and they don't know why my long-running scenario has been that that would happen, and it's due to undersea volcanism.
		So what we're seeing now is in key points of the world, is there's great magma movement pouring itself to the surface, and that that in turn will trigger and release quakes.
		So we can watch these things very carefully, and if they start to unfold, then we have a form of an early warning sign, just like with the hurricane alpha, Florida.
		We can do things.
		We can get bottled water.
		We can watch it.
		We can at least be prepared on a mental and a spiritual level.
		The physical level, we're going to have to make individual decisions on what to do about where we are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gordon, I know you've got the national press descending on you right now, and you've got to go.
		I appreciate the update.
		Let's stay very close.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		My best to everyone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Blessing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bye.
		Gordon Michael Scallion.
		And there you've got it.
		Now, going again to the Caribbean, I believe.
		You're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Turn your radio off, sir.
		Okay.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes, they started, they say yesterday that the capital is Claymont.
		They have to move people from Claymont and in the area of Claymont.
		And they want to close the radio station and try to get moving to other locations to open it.
		And also my theory with what a man say about the weather, I believe that the weather have a lot to do with the volcano acting up.
		Because these past summer months have really been hot.
		Hot, hot weather.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hot, yes.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		My theory is that if it rains, like how we have trees storm right now in the water, I think if enough rain come, it cool it down and the volcanic won't erupt again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very, very much for the call.
		There's the U.S. Virgin Islands again.
		So that's what's going on.
		And it seemed to me that what Mr. Scallion had to say was particularly relevant.
		Accept it or reject it as you will.
unidentified		That's up to all of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is the latest news.
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		An encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 23rd, 1995.
		Thank you.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		We will now open all lines to everybody as normal.
		First-time callers to the program, no matter where you are.
		Anybody out there have any psychic hairs standing up this morning?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Terry from Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Terry.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Well, I was compelled to call you.
unidentified		I was wanting to talk a little bit about the religious issue and the quickening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you managing to hear us?
		We're not on yet in Las Vegas.
		Pardon me?
		I was wondering how you're managing to hear us.
		We're not on yet in Las Vegas.
unidentified		Oh, I borrowed this radio from my friend that is getting the signal.
		I don't know how he's getting it, but we're getting it.
		Good.
		He was originally from the Phoenix area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		Anyway, what I wanted to talk about was mainly the other night when I was listening to that liberal fella from California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, Charlie.
unidentified		Yes, and he mentioned the fact that, you know, apparently he's really against religion or something.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Avidly, avidly, I said.
unidentified		And apparently he doesn't really take any stock in the quickening, which I do.
		May not be calling it the quickening, but calling it something similar to it in what they refer to as the last days.
		One interesting thing that a pastor of mine has brought to my attention, one thing real quick is I'm an entertainer in Las Vegas and recently a born-again Christian.
		And my pastor has brought to the fact that I've been really studying the book of Revelation and the last days and the times and so on and so forth.
		And he brought this one point towards me when I was asking him, well, what is the demise of the United States, you know, mentioning in here?
		And he says, you know, one thing is mentioned in the Bible about the United States or what we perceive to be the United States is the land across the seas that represents the eagle.
		Okay?
		And that is the only mention of the United States during the last days, which is perceived by a lot of people that the United States isn't going to be around when all the turmoil really starts happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I appreciate your call, sir.
		I don't want it to be so, and I don't want to see the demise of this country, and I imagine most of you don't either.
		The signs probably are not really good.
		The destination is not absolute, but the signs along the way here, along the road, are not very good presently, I would say that.
		On our first-time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		Baker, San Diego, listening on Cogo Country on the road here.
		I'll make it quick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Enjoy your show immensely.
		Thank you.
		Just one quick question, and I'll let you go.
		I wonder how come you have trouble admitting you're wrong all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, give me an example.
unidentified		Not anything in specific, but whenever somebody tries to call and call you on something, you can't admit you're wrong ever.
		I mean, you'll dig your way out of it any way possible.
		But other than that, I love your show.
		I just like to hear a little bit more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I appreciate the criticism, but I would imagine that you should be able to come up with at least one example.
unidentified		A couple of minutes ago, a guy called and said something about the liver thing.
unidentified		And granted, you went back to the point what you were actually stating, but sir, I was not wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My presentation of that had absolutely nothing to do with the celebrity aspect of it.
		It had to do with, as I thought I stated correctly the first time, and then restated again, simply whether alcohol should be treated as tobacco is treated legislatively.
		That's all I said.
unidentified		I agree.
		I agree with you there, and I guess it would be wrong of me.
		I can't point specifically anything, but I've heard you sometimes, and it's like, you know, as much as I enjoy your show, I'd like to hear you admit, like, you know, you got me once in a while.
		You follow?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when, okay, again, I would plead, do you have, I'm giving you time to think here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give me another example.
unidentified		Since I'm on the mobile, I don't want to waste good air time.
		I'll just think of an example.
		I'll call you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'll look forward to that.
		Thank you.
		I don't mind admitting I'm wrong.
		I've been wrong lots of times.
		I've been on the air for, you know, 11 years.
		And there have been a lot of times people have called and have said this or that.
		And I've said, you're out of your mind.
		You're out your mind.
		And it turned out I was wrong.
		And I've said, I'm wrong.
		And so I don't mind the criticism.
		Come ahead.
		I've been wrong before.
		I try to admit it when it's obvious I'm wrong.
		Or if I don't think I'm wrong, then I'm not going to admit it.
		I'm going to sit here and argue.
		You know, that's what I do.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, all right.
unidentified		This is Aaron from El Cro, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Aaron.
unidentified		Hey, great.
		Hey, I just wanted to make a comment to you.
		Been trying to get through for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And on your newsletter, I'm just kind of curious if it's at all conceivable to put in Braille for the people.
unidentified		I mean, I'm sure the sideless people can literally get their hands on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I've already talked to the network about this, and I think, no, it is not conceivable to put it in Braille.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what we are going to do is to issue an audio tape version of the newsletter.
unidentified		Okay, well, there you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, we're in the broadcast business, so it would not be too difficult for us to do that.
		And I brought it up after a couple of people called, and the network said they're willing to do it.
		So it's coming.
unidentified		There you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Great, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		And I understand there are a lot of people out there who could use something like that.
		And it really is not too terribly difficult for us.
		We're in the broadcast business.
		We are in the tape duplication business.
		So we're kind of all set up to do it.
		And I think we'll be announcing that soon.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Goodbye.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, Art Bill.
unidentified		This is Bob from Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Bob.
unidentified		Moses Blake.
		I'm listening to you on KBSN.
		You bet.
		Yeah, you were speaking earlier about spontaneous healing, regeneration, whatever that was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And you were asking if perhaps...
		You were asking if perhaps if it was God or something interior, not exterior.
		Well, I believe God made man, and he made man's mind.
		And God gave us the clues to how to use that mind.
		And he said if we had faith, that we would be healed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think I share your view precisely.
		Now, I didn't want to say it, but I'm saying it.
		It kind of goes together with my theory of creation and evolution, and I believe that they go together.
		And I believe that, as you pointed out, God, as our creator, created our mind, and we don't even begin to understand, or maybe we could say we've scratched the surface of our understanding of the brain.
		Exactly.
		And so the two easily go together.
unidentified		Right, and we cannot fully comprehend God either.
		And as the creator of our mind, you know, etc., etc.
		And I had one more comment, but I'm nervous.
		I'm on radio, so I can't remember it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do it more frequently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'll be less nervous.
unidentified		Thank you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
unidentified		Me too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the way it works.
		You know, you probably, some people are not.
		They're just not nervous.
		First time they come on the radio.
		I'm nervous.
		I mean, if that helps you, a lot of times I'm nervous.
		If I begin thinking about all the people out there, I get terribly nervous, and then everything goes to hell in a handbasket.
		So I don't.
		I just don't.
		I don't think about it.
		I block it out of my mind.
		and uh...
		you might try the very same thing you'll find that getting on the air a few times will juric uh...
unidentified		uh...
		Thank you.
		You're listening to Arc Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 23, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Dr. Democrat.
unidentified		Well, good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		I want to talk about Scallion and Clinton.
unidentified		First Scallion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		The reason this guy, let me explain why he had this.
unidentified		Clinton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'll explain that.
unidentified		Scallion, the reason he has such accuracy in his predictions is very simple.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		He can't lose.
		He provides cover for every prediction he has.
		Now, let's take a look at the West Coast prediction from Vancouver to Baja.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		He says in the next seven weeks, we're on alert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'd be more like the next five weeks or six.
unidentified		Right, right.
unidentified		But then he goes on and says if it doesn't happen, then we're going to go into another cycle in December and January.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he said, though, he did pin it down and say it will complete before the year 1995 is out.
unidentified		No, but he says we're in another window of opportunity clear through January, I believe.
		But anyhow, if you listen to his tapes, and I've been listening to this onion head, and the thing of it is, he always provides cover because when something goes wrong, it doesn't go against his record.
		But when something goes right, he says, see, I told you so.
		Now, Mr. Clinton, ever since Mr. Clinton came into office, everything that's supposed to be up is up.
		Everything that's supposed to be down is down.
		And I don't care what issue you go through.
		The deficit is down.
		It's supposed to be down.
		The trade deficit is down.
		It's supposed to be down.
		Exports are up.
		They're supposed to be up.
		The standard of living, according to the latest prediction, is supposed to go up next year because inflation is supposed to come in at 3% by the average increase in wages is supposed to be over 4%.
		So that means the standard of living is going to go up at least 1% for most people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute, Andrew confine yourself to what is up rather than what might be predicted to be up.
unidentified		SAT scores are up on a national level.
		They're at the highest rate since, I guess, two decades, according to the Wire Service.
		So Clinton said he was the education president.
		He promised that in 92, and that's one promise he has delivered.
		I mean, the results are right there.
		So everything you talk about, show me what's worse since Clinton came into office.
		I can't think of anything.
		And this guy deserves to be re-elected.
		And that's why he's ahead in every poll.
		I don't care what poll.
		If you match him one-on-one against anybody, he wins.
		If you match a three-way race, a four-way race, there's only one scenario that he might lose, and that's if Jesse Jackson gets in the race.
		I'm sure he loses by one point to go at that factor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thanks.
		Well, you know, about the last part, he really is correct.
		Like it or not, believe it or not, all of the latest polls show that Bill Clinton will beat Bob Dole substantially, I might add, in a head-on race.
		I'm sure you've seen it.
		Clinton will whom Dole straight out and by quite a bit.
		Now, of course, you know, what does a poll mean right now?
		And you don't know until you get into a campaign what really is going on.
		However, you should hear these polls as you would hear the rattle of a snake warning you that you're about to be bitten and come down with a severe illness that's going to last at least another four long hard-to-bear years.
		I do not underestimate Bill Clinton.
		I do not underestimate the capacity of the American people to again be taken in by somebody who will tell people exactly what they want to hear.
		In other words, I don't think Bill Clinton is going to be a pushover at all in the election.
		I don't think Bob Dole can beat Bill Clinton.
		I don't think any of the other candidates, including Pat Buchanan, can beat Bill Clinton.
		I speak of presently announced candidates.
		I think that Phil Graham was not so much strong in the Iowa poll as Bob Dole was weak.
		I'm frankly disenchanted entirely with the presidential possibilities for a race at this point.
		And if you want to know the person I think that would give Clinton a run for his money, it's the Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich.
		Think what you will of him.
		The man is extremely intelligent, very fast on his feet, would put on a campaign that wouldn't take any Crapola from the Clinton campaign, and there's going to be a lot of that chucked, and could answer everything quickly and efficiently and would run a good campaign.
		That's my view.
		I know you may hate his guts, or you may not agree with me, or you may think somebody else is a better candidate.
		That's my pragmatic look at it.
		I don't think anybody else that I can imagine right now that is presently even considering running would have the chance against Clinton that Newt Gingrich would have.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		I would like to state my opinion about Gordon Michael Scowy.
		Sure.
		Where are you, by the way?
		I'm calling from Denver, Colorado via KFAB, Omaha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Omaha, yes, sir.
unidentified		First of all, in my high school studies, we had basic biology, zoology, and geology.
unidentified		And if a person would have a basic knowledge of how formations are formed, different cataclysmic fissures underneath the ground, they would come up with the conclusion that the Earth is indeed going through a climactic and traumatic period right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe it is.
unidentified		So I think you might get angry at this.
unidentified		I think Gordon Michaels Gallion is perpetrating a fraud on the American public.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't get angry at that.
		Look, you're entitled to your opinion of him, as is everybody else.
		He's been making predictions on the record, on the record, for a decade now.
unidentified		Well, I'm sure scientists, if they have basic knowledge like what I just described, will come up with the same conclusions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But sir, they have not.
		He has.
		That part of it's indisputable.
		Now, you can say he's full of bunk, and I have no problem with that.
		But on the other hand, you ought to look into his percentage of success.
unidentified		Well, once again, I would like to have a scientific, maybe you should challenge the scientific community to come up with explanations on what's going on because I don't hear their voices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I absolutely do, and I hereby do so.
unidentified		Okay, well, I appreciate that, but I haven't heard that on your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, then hear it now.
		I hereby absolutely, absolutely challenge anybody out there to dispute his record thus far or to match it using some sort of scientific basis.
		Now, I have no idea, and I'll say it again, whether to say Gordon Michael Scallion is the real thing.
		I'm only giving you my opinion.
		I've had very extensive private conversations with Scallion, and his concerns, his interests, his intensity, in person, in private, is no different than you just heard in that interview.
		No different.
		When he gets me on a line privately, and we've talked for hours, we don't talk about selling his newsletter or any of the rest of it.
		His center, his interest, his focus are his visions.
		And that's it.
		That's it.
		And as a matter of fact, I talked to the Institute the other day, and he is presently tuckered out big time.
		Totally tired.
		Psychically wasted.
		And it's from what's coming, what he's seen, and all the rest of it.
		So You heard what he had to say, and as I said at the termination of that interview, you may and are welcome to conclude whatever you wish from it.
		Take the good parts, reject the bad parts, put your head in the sand, say he's a fool, say whatever you want.
		I simply presented it for your edification based on recent events.
		Wildguard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good evening, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Boy, I'll bet Doc Democrat could hit and would like to hit it three nights in a row like this.
		Say one thing about the OJ trial.
		They allege that OJ was wearing gloves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		They also allege, the prosecution that is, allege, that OJ cut his hand.
unidentified		Now, if he was wearing those gloves, where's the corresponding cut on the gloves to match the cut on his hand?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not been explained yet.
unidentified		That is sort of a little mystery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I, you know, I watch the trial daily.
		I think the prosecution is in gigantic trouble.
		I think they're in perhaps an unrecoverable situation.
		And if these tapes are played, and then Mark Furman gets on the stand and takes the Fifth Amendment, I think that is the ballgame.
		I mean, that's it.
		He is not going to be a hung jury.
		I think he's going to walk.
unidentified		Well, I've been paying a lot of attention to it, and I just don't think that the prosecution did the homework very well on this thing.
		I think they've blown it.
		I think it's their own fault.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		I really don't.
		I lay the blame more on the LAPD than I do on the talent or the lack of it of the prosecution.
		Marsha Clark, much as I bitch about her, is actually a damn effective prosecutor.
		She's very, very good at what she does.
		It's just that she's been ambushed in some cases by her own witnesses, Mark Fuhrman being the latest.
unidentified		I agree with you, but I think that the research wasn't done.
unidentified		Naturally, that should have been done by the police.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think Mark Fuhrman told them about the tapes, do you?
unidentified		Nope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, minus the tapes, you've got to remember that Fuhrman's testimony was very damning.
		I mean, he was, everybody thought, oh, he's going to be a bad witness, but he was a great witness.
		Now, what's going to happen when this great witness goes on the stand, asked if he lied, and he says, I'm going to have to take the fifth on that one.
		How's that going to affect the jury?
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
		We'll be right back.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 23rd, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Welcome to the largest live overnight talk show in America.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		It's good to be here.
		Retrenching just a little bit and very quickly, I hope.
		We've got word this morning that scientists from the University of the West Indies, Guadalupe, United Kingdom, and the U.S. Geological Survey, that's quite a group, now estimate an 80% chance of a major volcanic eruption at Montserrat in the Caribbean.
		We talked to a number of people in the Caribbean, a couple of people here this last hour, in addition to replaying the Gordon Michael Scallion interview with regard to the Caribbean.
		And that should have, really should have stood a few psychic hairs up out there.
		And we're watching it carefully.
		Big stories of the day running, that Saddam Hussein had his biological and germ warfare weapons locked and loaded.
		13,000 gallons of anthrax, 130,000 gallons of botulism.
		And the only reason he didn't use them was because George Bush said he would respond with nuclear weapons.
		Again, proving nukes are great deterrents.
		Only trouble is what happens when the engineer gets the high-grade stuff that he's been trying to get his hands on?
		The engineer, you know the engineer?
		That's what they call him in Israel.
		Or somebody like him.
		God help us.
		Senator Luger said entire square miles of U.S. cities will vaporize.
		And I don't doubt that.
		And I said earlier, you know, our generation did the old duck and cover thing under the desk, remember?
		And we worried about the big one.
		I think our sons, our daughters, will have to worry about, well, I don't want to say the little ones, but the possibility of nuclear terrorism.
unidentified		No question about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		O.J. Simpson.
		Today, one of the world's foremost forensic scientists put another hard foot into the prosecution's single killer case.
		They've got more shoe prints there.
		They don't match the shoes the prosecution said O.J. was wearing.
		So who else was there?
		You know, it seems to me as though the defense has saved the best for last.
		I'm sorry, but I think they're clobbering the prosecution right now.
		And I say this, still thinking, wavering, albeit a little bit, but thinking that O.J. Simpson is guilty, but, God, they're putting on a good case.
		And then the Furman tapes.
		It just gets worse and worse and worse.
		You know, it is the leak of the day in the Fermentapes.
		And the latest leak involves Furman saying things like, quote, referring to something called police, something called, what are they anyway?
		I don't know what you'd call them, parties.
		After they kill a suspect, he said allegedly, quote, it's like the end of a football game where you just won the championship and you're on the real high.
		You're dominant.
		You're powerful.
		You're unbeatable, end quote.
		Furman's new criminal lawyer says if he's called back to the stand, he may take the fifth.
		Now, what do you suppose a jury that has not heard all these leaks, after hearing there are bloody footprints that are not his, hear the tapes, then hear Furman take the fifth?
		What is that jury going to think?
		Windows 95 is now out.
		This is a major event in the computer world.
		Now, I wonder how many of you have run right out and bought Windows 95.
		I'll tell you, I've got it here.
		And I have been chickened to load it.
		I've actually started to load it into my computer.
		I started down the trail of loading Windows 95.
		And I canceled.
		I chickened out.
		I wonder about so many things.
		I wonder, will my DOS programs all run in Windows 95?
		Or will I lose something?
		I wonder, will I still retain my old DOS?
		Do I want to retain my old DOS?
		I wonder whether I will like the new Windows setup.
		I wonder so many things that I'm going to wait until some of you guinea pigs out there load her in, and I'll bet you by now, a lot of people went out and bought it at midnight, and by now a lot of you have got Windows 95 loaded in.
		now are you happy campers or are you My computer, you know, has become so important to what I do that I'm scared to take a chance.
		I admit it.
		I'm scared.
		Now I'm going to do it.
		But I'm going to do it after I hear from a number of you who call and say, Art, you know, I just put Windows 95 in.
		God, it's the best thing that's ever happened.
		I love it.
		Everything runs great.
		I had all these programs I can use, no problem.
		And when I hear that, then I'll go back there and reload it again.
		What I really need is a copy of Windows 95 on 3.5 so I can get it into my into my laptop as well.
		So anyway, I'm sitting, I'm waiting, I'm worrying, thinking, and I'm waiting to hear from all of you.
		Those of you that are in the process right now, right this very moment, of loading Windows 95, by all means, call up and assure me.
		Or tell me I was right to wait.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		This is Brian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Brian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Oklahoma, Norman, Oklahoma.
		Excellent.
		I wanted to, I had a comment for Charlie, I guess his name is, the person in California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		He seems to take religion and move away from religion and go into a scientific, more scientific perspective.
		And I might suggest something for him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not being too kind to him.
		He doesn't do that.
		He derides religion, sir.
		And those who practice it, he derides them.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, really.
unidentified		Okay, well, I wanted to suggest a couple ideas for him if he wanted to approach something in the scientific term and that might lead him into some more spiritual terms, and that would be reading some books by the name of Deepak Chopra.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, trying to lead Charlie to something spiritual, sir, is like trying to get a horse to eat steel rod.
		So, you know, I appreciate the suggestion, but I don't think he's going to add that immediately to his reading list.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
unidentified		This is Porter in Wyoming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wyoming?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where in Wyoming are you?
unidentified		Green River.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Green River.
		Yes, sir.
		Are you listening on KUGR?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, very good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I seen something on the TV.
		It said Ferman's friends say he's not racist.
		Right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah?
unidentified		And I thought that he moved to a white supremacy neighborhood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he moved to Idaho.
		You know, I really think it's a little unfair that Idaho gets tagged as a white supremacist place.
		There are some there, or even white separatist place.
		There are some there.
		But that is not all Idaho is, and it's getting a bad rap.
		Yeah, you're probably right.
		Yeah, that's right.
		Look, the police union in L.A. just said they're going to stand by Fuhrman.
unidentified		Right.
		So, but what would you expect?
		Yeah.
		Well, I'd just like to say that they're probably racist too if they're saying not.
		I don't know.
		This is just whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		That's all right, thank you.
		It's quite a conclusion to make, and I don't make that.
		There are some racist Cops.
		There are a lot of cops who have a natural prejudice based on what they do every day, a natural prejudice.
		I'm going to say this again.
		And in some cases, maybe, in Mark Fuhrman's, maybe not, it crosses a line from a natural prejudice based on what they do every day to real racism.
		In other words, what is real racism?
		It is an absolute hatred based on nothing more than a person's skin color or religion or whatever.
		But generally, we know what we're talking about here, black people.
		And so when it crosses that line, then you've got self-bad cop.
		And how they keep from crossing that line amazes me.
		If you understood the pressure they're under every day, it is amazing to me there are not more bad cops than there are, though that is kind of a contentious issue.
		How many are there?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		This is the luck of the draw.
unidentified		I've been on redial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Phoenix.
unidentified		My name is Anne.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Anne.
unidentified		And I've called you once before concerning Shannon Faulkner and all of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yes.
unidentified		But I couldn't resist tonight because you mentioned something about if they find the Ark, that will have such an impact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe so, yes.
unidentified		And I'll tell you why I don't.
		Because in the myths from the American Indians and the Sumerian epic of Gilgamesh specifically, they also speak about a flood and a righteous family that was saved because they built some sort of a vessel.
		According to the American Indians, it was a hollow reed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		But according to the epic of Gilgamesh, it was another boat.
unidentified		And if we have these other myths, Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do agree with that.
		But I wasn't necessarily suggesting it would have a great effect just on Christians, ma'am.
		It'll have an effect on the world.
		In other words, wherever you draw your belief in that occurrence from, if it is substantiated, then a lot of people are going to return to faiths, not necessarily Christianity, any faith, belief in whatever Creator you happen to believe in, because, after all, it would just about take a Creator to flood the entire world, save animals two by two onto a great ship that ended up on Mount Ararat.
		No, I think it'd put a lot of people in deep thought.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Well, we shall see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We shall see indeed.
		Here's the facts on the subject, Hiart.
		I, too, am excited about the prospect of scientists finally being able to investigate Noah's Ark.
		I believe they have known the approximate location for quite some time, but there's always been some obstacle in the way of preventing investigation.
		The quickening you refer to is not a secret to biblical scholars, and God may allow events concerning the Ark to proceed this time.
		Like you, Art, I cannot accept something in my heart that I cannot accept with my mind.
		That's why Christianity is unique compared to other religions.
		Here we go.
		The Ark will only be another piece of evidence to substantiate that faith.
		That argues with what the lady just said.
		I know end-time prophecy fascinates you, and it puzzles me why you refuse to have men who are experts in biblical prophecy on your program.
		Men like Hal Lindsay, I don't refuse to have him.
		Josh McDowell are just a couple who come to mind.
		And no, Art, you do not hear the evidence or this type of apologetics in every church or on radio seven days a week.
		Your audience, pro and con, would enjoy another unique twist to the kingdom of Nye.
		Well, I guess I am familiar with biblical prophecy regarding end times, and I think that most of you who are Christians also are.
		So I don't feel a need or am I driven to, in effect, have a preacher here, somebody who would sort of give us a refresher course on what the Bible says about the end times.
		So there you are.
		Nevertheless, I'm not closed to having somebody like Hal Lindsay on.
unidentified		it could easily occur.
unidentified		you Now we take you back to the night of August 23rd, 1995, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell, your recent interview with Patrick Combs, the gentleman who cashed the non-negotiable junk mail check, was most interesting.
		He sounds like someone who enjoys testing the establishment as much as I do.
		Listen to this.
		Once when I stepped out of the shower without my glasses, I noticed what appeared to be a postage stamp on the bathroom floor.
		Being the frugal person that I am, I put it in my desk drawer for safekeeping.
		Several days later, wishing to mail a letter, I discovered that what I had put in the drawer was not a stamp at all, but rather a label that apparently had come loose from a pair of my fruit of the loom briefs.
		Not having a real stamp, I noticed how much this label resembled a commemorative postage stamp in size and appearance.
		So, you got it, folks.
		He glued it to the corner of the envelope.
		Recalling all the times when the Postal Service had delivered other people's mail to my house, I figured they wouldn't know the difference between a postage stamp and an underwear label.
		So, in the mail it went.
		And I'm proud to report that thus far, black helicopters and swarms of federal agents have not surrounded my house in retaliation for the crime I committed.
		Also, the letter never came back, marked return to sender, or postage due, which proves the Postal Service is as efficient as ever.
		What an ingenious way to entice people to buy a particular brand of underwear.
		Putting postmaster-approved labels in your shorts.
		Art, this experience has convinced me that the quickening you've been warning us about is really going to happen and apparently already well underway in the postal service.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Is our bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me check.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it appears to be.
unidentified		And, oh, okay.
unidentified		Let me turn off my radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By all means.
unidentified		And this is Art Bell?
unidentified		I'm on the air right now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sure hope so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise, we're in trouble.
unidentified		Okay, good boy.
		It's the first time I ever called.
		Oh, I have a comment about the Seattle, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listening to K-O-M-O.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you had a comment about something that you have now forgotten.
unidentified		No, I remember.
		Well, it's really interesting because I'm a liberal black guy.
		I always listen to your station.
		I'm always listening to your show.
		And I just wanted to make a comment about Louis Farquhar and also just...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you.
		Let me tell you.
		I am pursuing that with all vigor.
		I spoke with a minister, Keith X, day before yesterday.
		I faxed them all the information, and he promises me he will try and pursue an interview with me with Louis Farrakhan in the very near future.
		So it is in the works.
		I did my part.
		It's up to them now.
unidentified		And I just wanted to clarify something.
		A while back you had a show.
		It was about the race issue in the United States.
		Yes, I recall.
		And in regards to that, I just wanted to just make a distinction between Louis Farrakhan and Jesse Jackson from my political perspective.
		And it's as follows.
		that Jesse Jackson is a liberal, but then in order for a black to be a conservative, I think a conservative black politically is different than a white to be a conservative.
		So I would say that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How is a conservative black different than a conservative white?
unidentified		I'll say it right now, because Louis Farkan represents a conservative black view, which is based on self-reliance and not blaming white people and the white power structure, whatever that is, you know, on the problems of black America and taking all the responsibility upon themselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think you may be half right.
		Now, I'm willing to suspend my opinion until I interview him.
		In other words, you're certainly right about his preaching blacks taking responsibility for themselves.
		You're right about that.
		But I'm not sure you're right that he doesn't blame whites.
		He's done some pretty big blame on the whites.
unidentified		But just to end up, a black conservative that's conservative like you and conservative like the conservative wing of whatever the Republican Party is just a puppet that's because my brother's conservative and he's black is just a puppet that's serving the that's serving the existing power structure, I guess, but isn't going to get anything out of it himself or for his people.
		And so to me, there's an old joke about when the house catches on fire, all the field slaves are out in the field going really, really slow.
		And then the house, Negro, which I won't use the in-word, the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, look, sir, hold it.
		We're out of time at the bottom of the arrow.
		I want you to hold on.
		All right, stay where you are.
unidentified		We'll come back to you after the break.
		I have a couple of questions.
		You're listening to Arkbell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 23, 1995.
		Coast to Coast AM from August
		Coast to Coast AM from August 23, 1995.
		23, 1995.
		Premier Radio Networks presents Parkfell somewhere in time.
		Tonight's program originally aired August 23rd, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert to the nation, here we are again.
		Hi, everybody.
		It is a beautiful, warm, star-studded night in the desert.
		Absolutely beautiful out here.
		As a matter of fact, when I get off the air at about 4 o'clock, it's a good time to go out and take a walk.
		Oh, it is beautiful.
		West of the Rockies, you're back on the air again, sir.
		I was curious, before you go on, as you described yourself, a black liberal, why are you a listener to my program?
		Just curious.
unidentified		Okay, I want to get back on my subject.
		The reason why is because I'm really interested in the conservative movement, you know, here, because I look at it as a threat.
		And then someone like you, who's just like Reagan, who's conservative, but then you're nice about it, you know, the same way Reagan was.
		You're not mean-spirited or anything, and your arguments are good and everything.
		And I like to see different views, and there's parts of the conservative agenda that make sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a fair answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back to what you were saying.
unidentified		My story is the Massa's house catches on fire on the plantation, and the field Negroes are out in the field flowing around to the water buckets, and the house Negro, which is what a black conservative person is, is running around the house saying, Massa, our house is burning.
		And that's the fallacy of trying to be a black conservative and not either being of the philosophy somewhere around Farrakhan or of Jesse Jackson.
		And I'm somewhere in between.
		And the reason why I think Farrakhan makes some of the inflammatory statements he does, and I'll get in trouble with this with a lot of Muslims, is because I think most political leaders say things that they know in their hearts aren't true to rally support.
		And I think a lot of the anti-Jewish things he says is because he's getting money from some of the people in the Middle East.
		And so, of course, he has to follow that line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you, I sure would love to have you on if I can get him on.
unidentified		Well, yeah, it would be great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would enjoy that.
		All right, sir.
		I've got to run.
		That was a good call.
		My attitude about Louis Farrakhan is one of, it's a sort of a dual attitude.
		I'm repulsed by a lot of what he said, and I'm attracted intellectually to a lot of what he said.
		Certainly not the anti-Semitic kind of stuff.
		But I'm intellectually stimulated by what he said with regard to blacks.
		As his caller just said, he might be thought of as a black conservative in a way.
		He does preach self-reliance very heavily.
		He's got a lot of very fascinating things to say.
		So we'll see.
		We'll see.
		he's uh...
unidentified		just somebody on my list of people that i would like to interview Now we take you back to the night of August 23rd, 1995, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		This is Ed and Reno.
		Hello, Ed.
		I'm a geology grad student, and I just wanted to comment on that Gordon Michael Scallion.
		He's making some good guesses.
		And what he's done is just picked some large areas where earthquakes occur frequently of that magnitude.
		And it's probably just the statistics have worked out that he's lucked out so far.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that may be, but over a period of, say, 10 years, his accuracy rating is 86 or 7%, something like that.
		And I, you know, you can say good guesses, and I've thought about that.
		And sure, you can predict things are going to occur in the ring of fire, and they definitely will.
		But wait a minute, Al, let me finish.
		Then you can go.
		When you predict the magnitude, the geographic location, and the time, and you do it again and again and again, well, I would think that if you were just making good guesses, you might do, like you do in Las Vegas, a little better than 50% if luck is on your side, but not up in the 80s.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, that's quite a valid point, but the question is whether a prediction in such a large area is really worth studying, or is it valid?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		But as far as scientific efforts, I believe some of the big agencies in geology have a study going on in Parkfield, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And I think that one of their forecast windows is that an earthquake could have occur anytime starting back in July.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they missed a couple predictions in Parkfield, I believe.
unidentified		Right.
		They have.
		So it's a budding science, and hopefully they'll get better with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hopefully.
		All right, thank you.
		Art today, during a newscast on the same station that Mike Reagan comes on, whatever that is, this is from Phoenix, it was announced the old volcano at Mammoth Lake was giving off poison gas and that they had closed the area to tourists.
		Did you hear about it?
		In view of the volcanic action you're talking about in the Atlantic and the four-plus earthquake in central Japan today, these are certainly quickening things, Elaine.
		There was also a shaker, a small one, I believe, near Santa Rosa.
		There's just been a lot of it going on.
		there's been a whole lot of it going on so i don't even No, I'm not.
		I'm really not.
		And I'm not ascribing this to a religious occurrence that is ahead or a scientific one or anything else.
		I refuse to do that.
		I'm simply noting for you as a talk show host who's been covering this and looking at it and monitoring it very carefully that it is going on.
		I'll leave the conclusions about where it's leading and where it's from to all of you.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		It's Charlie, Libborne, California.
		First of all, you had some religious guy calling.
		You know something?
		Here's what religious people do not understand.
		They try to combine religion and science, and they're two completely different topics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know that?
unidentified		Because religion teaches one, or attempts to teach one, how to live one's life.
		Science deals with investigating the physical world.
		They're two totally different things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, they're not.
unidentified		It's like when, well, I'll give you an example.
unidentified		The guy who wrote Genesis, when he said the Earth was the, and the universe was created in six days, he could not have possibly have known that the sun is a second generation star and that the universe probably existed 10 billion years before the sun did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how do we know what a day meant to God?
unidentified		Well, you can rationalize that all you want.
		I remember arguing with one guy.
		He was talking about how this guy, I guess, fit all the animals of the Earth on an ark, even though I explained to him that it would be physically impossible, first of all, to collect all the animals and put them on the ark.
		And if you go to the San Diego Zoo, for example, you look at all those animals, they don't even represent a small percentage of the animals on the planet.
		And he was just, he simply said, well, God shrunk them down to size.
		I said, well, you'd have to go all over the earth to collect all these animals.
		He said, no, God made them all come to one location.
		Little bitty arguments.
		You could use that argument.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You could use big bitty giraffes and little bitty dinosaurs.
unidentified		You could use that argument for anything.
		But the thing is, rather than do that, why not just separate the two?
		Why combine the two?
		That's what religious people do.
		That's wrong.
		It's like these people calling in saying, oh, well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because the two are not always mutually exclusive, Charles.
		They're simply not.
		A lot of science supports what religion has said, and vice versa.
unidentified		The people who wrote the Bible had very limited knowledge.
		Even if they were scientists back then, you're talking about 2,000 years ago.
		There's things that they simply did not understand.
		It doesn't mean the Bible is bad liter.
		It doesn't mean God doesn't exist.
		It does mean that there were things that these guys simply could not have known.
		And there's nothing wrong with that.
		And actually, if you investigate the real world, if you really want to find out who God is, then you don't put blinders on it and say, oh, okay, the earth is 6,000 years old.
		Human beings have been here.
		We're the first created animals.
		You don't do that.
		If you really want to know who God is, you look at the facts and you direct yourself toward the facts.
		And actually, if you do that, you actually see a rather awesome God if you believe in God.
		You see a planet that's almost 5 billion years old.
		You see a God that's capable of creating an entire species, letting it rule the planet for 143 million years, and getting rid of that species and putting mammals on the earth.
		I think that's rather impressive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do too, Charlie.
		And if you really feel that way about it, then I suggest you begin showing him more reverence.
		First-time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		This is Elizabeth in Vancouver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Elizabeth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
unidentified		It's good to talk to you.
		I think that quantum theory makes the likelihood of God almost inevitable, but that isn't my subject.
		I wanted to talk about the ark and actually maybe even pinning down which culture produced the ark and which flood for that matter.
		All right.
		I was listening to one of your callers the other night who follows the archaeologist Jones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And he was talking about the fact that they've used resonating or sonar devices to locate walls, two walls in which the wood of the ark would be encased.
		And that reminded me of the Chaldean account of the flood and the fact that the Chaldean ark, and the Chaldeans, C-H-A-L-D-E-A-N, were contemporaries or cousins of the Babylonians.
		And their ark actually was encased with two layers, one on the inside and one on the outside of asphalt, which the ancients knew about.
		And it would be like a tari petroleum mixture with some sort of gravel or stone mixed in with it.
		So this really does not just the size of the Chaldean arc, which was 600 cubits, and that's much more in keeping with these aerial, these satellite photographs of the site, but the two layers of the binding material encasing the inside and outside of the arc fits in more with the Chaldean account.
		And as far as the flood is concerned, I think we should examine the idea that there was not a general world disaster, but that glacial lakes held back by ice dams, which really existed into historic times.
		In fact, maybe the striations along the base of the Sphinx were caused by the breaking of these ice dams with warming climate.
		Are you following all this argument?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		Anyway, I'd like to leave a little test for your callers about the millennium, if you don't mind.
unidentified		You got another sec?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
unidentified		Go ahead.
		Well, I'm calculating the millennium differently.
		And I think that it's either past and we're in the first year of the third millennium or it might be this year.
		My math isn't that good, but I'd like to leave five basic clues.
		I've got a lot more research that I might bring up later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You calculate the error to be about six years, I would bet.
unidentified		You're so right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just a guess.
unidentified		Right.
		What you need to know, if you're writing this down, you need to know the Roman census year.
		You need to know what the date was on the steli, or the marker, that commemorated Herod the Great's death.
		You need to know the date of John the Baptist's execution.
		And you need to know what year Pontius Pilate was fired by the Romans.
		And you also need to calculate the missing year in the Christian calendar.
		Are you aware that there's a missing year in the Christian calendar?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard that.
		And I'm familiar with the general line that you're following, and that's how I came up with the six-year guess.
		I really was not a guess.
		I am familiar.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		and of course if she is correct Back to the OJ trial for a second.
		Listen to this.
		Kind of an interesting fact from Charlotte.
		I observed an odd incident, which I don't know if anybody else noticed.
		When Dr. Lee was talking about and showing a close-up picture of the key found at Bundy, Denise Brown suddenly leaned forward with a look of surprise and recognition on her face.
		Supposedly, this key was from Ron Goldman's key ring.
		But could it be possible she recognized the key as belonging to someone she knows who was not OJ or Ron Goldman?
		It was a very short instance, but it's puzzled me all day because she did not seem really upset, just surprised to see that particular key at the Bundy scene with blood on it.
		Then she leaned back in her seat and just looked politely interested in the rest of the proceedings.
		Incidentally, the talking heads were saying how boring and incomprehensible they found Dr. Lee's testimony.
		I was fascinated with his seminar and blood splatters and his evidentiary opinions.
		I was too, and I thought he was, in fact, a very good teacher, and that was very important testimony.
		Very important.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
unidentified		You ever notice how everyone says, yeah, Art?
unidentified		Well, yeah, they do say it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess they do.
unidentified		Actually, I just wanted to tell you that I'm in Grand Rapids, number one, and between the time you come on and the time the other program before you, well, the program I listen to goes off, I have an hour where I listen to somebody else, and I called that guy tonight, and they had a screener, and it instantly turned me off.
unidentified		That's why I like your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's why I like it, too.
		Just, you know, screening is all right, and I guess for some programs, they have to do it because of the format, or because they only want to talk about one subject or because they don't want challenges, or I don't know why, you know, a million different reasons, but it wouldn't be as much fun for me.
		And I've got to be honest with you, that's why I keep doing this because it's fun.
unidentified		Yeah, exciting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You never know what you're going to get.
unidentified		Well, I really like your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		I am convinced, well, you know, as you know, the ratings for the program are absolutely astronomical.
		As a matter of fact, yesterday, one of the first things they said to me on KCMO in Kansas City was, hey, Art, you know, you've got the highest ratings at KCMO, and that's very flattering.
		And it's just, you know, beginning to move.
		The ratings in the West or the Western third of the U.S. are uniformly Kersmash.
		I mean, we're number one everywhere.
		And now that process is beginning rapidly to move east.
		And I'm very thankful for it.
		And, you know, I don't totally know why.
		I just know that when I come on and have fun, then everybody else seems to also.
		There is no absolute subject material that we glue ourselves to at any given time.
		It's always open line talk radio.
		And I don't screen calls.
		Now, I don't think that's all that magical.
		It's just not done very frequently.
		And so it's part of the equation.
		It's not all of it.
		I don't even know, and I don't even like thinking about it.
		But it is different.
		And it's more fun.
		And I've got to do it five hours a night.
		And if I always knew what was coming next, I'd be bored to death.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		How's it going?
unidentified		This is Kenny from New Orleans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		Do you like promoting racism?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Why do you want to have Louis Farrakhan on your show?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, because I want to try to understand him.
unidentified		You don't understand.
unidentified		He's nothing but hate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's not true.
unidentified		It is true.
unidentified		Do you have a listen to what he says?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I don't think you do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would be your opinion, and you're welcome to it.
		I heard an interview between, done by, I believe it was Barbara Walters.
		Did you happen to catch that?
unidentified		No, but I listened to two of his little meetings that he has in churches.
		He was here a while back.
		He had 15,000 black men in UNO Lakefront Arena.
		And what he says is he's a real God and that blacks are being forced down by white people.
		And that, I mean, how can he say these things like blacks build the pyramids?
		Where does he get this crap from?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when he's here, maybe you could ask him.
unidentified		I don't want to ask him nothing, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I mean, you're criticizing me for seeking to interview him, and yet you apparently sat down and on two occasions, not one but two, just admitted you listened to him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why'd you do that?
unidentified		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Because if people didn't listen to him and say, hey, man, this guy's doing something wrong.
		You know.
		Well, they're not.
		I'm not going to tell, you know, somebody like you that wants to interview him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In that case, then, that is what the audience would conclude.
		You know, I want to hear what the man has to say.
		And I guess for the same reasons that you went and listened to him twice.
unidentified		Sure did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alrighty.
		Appreciate your call, sir.
		Thank you.
		There are a lot of people that I disagree with radically that I still want to interview.
		Does that surprise you, shock you?
		Do you think that is wrong?
		There are a lot of people I disagree with that I want to try to understand, and he's one of them.
		I've got a whole list of people that I would love to interview.
		Alous Hurricane is but one of them.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, how you doing, Art?
		This is Quadraphonic Ross from Phoenix.
		How are you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite a handle.
unidentified		Say, the format for the Monday night's Roswell showing is, do you know what the format on that's going to be?
unidentified		Is that going to be a documentary or something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, and I don't know.
		And I Think it's you know, they're not telling, and I think it's very critical.
		I would advise them, not that they're going to listen to me, to try to be neutral, to try to make it simply a presentation of here it is, you decide for yourself, maybe have a sit-down discussion afterward with some scientists or pathologists or various sorts of people, and I hope they don't whoop it up.
		I hope they don't laugh at it, chuckle at it.
		I hope they just, as they do in England, present it and allow people to decide for themselves.
		That's what I hope.
unidentified		Is it going to be a BBC production?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it'll be, well, of course, the BBC has their own thing, but it's going to be done by Fox.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fox Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we'll see how they handle it.
unidentified		I'm with you.
unidentified		I hope they treat it with some respect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it should be.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		It should be treated with some respect.
		And let the people decide for themselves.
		It'll be coming up Monday night, the 28th.
		And it's going to be something.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
		Radio.
		Radio Networks presents Arcel, somewhere in Philippe, tonight's program originally aired August 23rd, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now the Iron Hand dictatorship comes down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just heard on the Associated Press that the release of Windows 95 in Seattle was one of the most major events they've ever seen.
unidentified		There were people waiting at midnight to grab it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so I know that a lot of you have, probably as you're listening to me, you're loading in Windows 95.
		Actually, you ought to have it loaded by now, unless you did something wrong.
		And so I am opening a Windows 95 line only for those people that have just installed Windows 95.
		I want your immediate opinion, your review.
		This is Live Talk Radio, and I might add, we're on in the Seattle area, as you all know, on KOMO and then earlier on KBI.
		And so this is it, folks.
		Windows 95 line exclusively for this whole hour east of the Rockies.
		You are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		This is Robert in Fort Wayne, Indiana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Robert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please, Robert.
unidentified		Okay, I'm trying to get this here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We will wait.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		All right, what I was calling to talk to you about is the drug problem in the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I'm 17 years old.
		You know, some people are probably going to say, you know, it's teenagers talking about drug problems.
		Well, I'm not going to lie.
		You know, I've tried marijuana and I'm not glorifying that or anything.
		But what I don't understand is, you know, I've heard about the national debt and all this.
		Why doesn't the government just, you know, like, take over this drug problem and, you know, like, say, well, if you're not addicted to it, you can't have it, you know, but try to help the people that are.
		And, you know, if they've got to give them drugs, then give the people that are already addicted drugs and try to keep away from the other people because I think that would...
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
		And let me add to it, as long as we're going to do that, then I live here in a state where prostitution, you know, is legal in many counties here.
		So why not have the government go into prostitution too?
		I mean, there's really no difference.
		And they could, you know, the government's cut from prostitutes.
		That'd be big.
		Gee, 20, 30, 40% each time a trick is turned in behalf of the government, and we could reduce the debt even more.
unidentified		I mean, I just don't see any need.
unidentified		I don't see what I think, I personally think that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So is that a good idea?
unidentified		I don't think that prostitution is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because it's what difference is there between that and drugs?
unidentified		Because you're not hooked to prostitution, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		was lots of people that are hooked on prostitution men of black I would say sex is right up on there, up there in terms of human drive, right along with the need for drugs.
unidentified		So if that's the case, then how come we don't have places and hospitals offering help for people that are addicted to prostitution?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a very good question.
		Maybe we ought to have.
		I was giving you, sir, a ridiculous example to try to tell you why our government shouldn't be in these businesses.
		Prostitution or drugs or anything else.
		That's not the purpose of our government.
		We need to have a long talk one night about why we have government, what government should be doing legitimately, and what it sure as hell ought not be doing.
		And it should not be in the drug business, nor should it be in the prostitution business.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is my Windows 95 line.
unidentified		You better believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in San Jose, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, turn your radio off.
unidentified		It's off now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you just get Windows 95?
unidentified		I just got it tonight.
unidentified		I installed it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		The installation went absolutely perfect, and I love it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, do you miss having all the icons arranged neatly on the screen the way you did with your previous Windows?
unidentified		No, I mean, it's different, but you adjust to it right away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now, how about, I'm going to keep asking this, are all your DOS-based programs playing okay in Windows?
unidentified		Yeah, I just played Panzer General, and it was perfect.
		And I tried Aces Over Europe, and that ran perfectly.
		So far, those two games, which are pretty advanced, complex games, ran flawlessly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much memory do you have?
unidentified		Eight megabytes.
unidentified		And by the way, my system is running faster than it's ever run before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		It's a 486, 50 megahertz system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		50.
		Yeah.
		Well, that sounds like a pretty good review so far.
		So you're a happy camper.
unidentified		Right now, I am 100% happy.
		I even accessed...
		I sure did, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And by the way, I also successfully accessed America Online, went into the internet, went into World Wide Web, and everything worked perfectly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All the graphics looked proper?
unidentified		In fact, the graphics came up faster than they had ever come up before.
unidentified		I couldn't believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, so you're almost getting me interested here.
unidentified		Yeah, I was very skeptical.
		Very skeptical.
		I was not going to do this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you run out and buy it at midnight?
unidentified		I sure did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, right now, this looks just fantastic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's very encouraging.
unidentified		Very encouraging.
unidentified		It really is for me, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend.
		Thank you.
		There he is.
		Oh, now, see, that's good to hear.
		I admit it, I'm afraid of it.
		Intrigued by, drawn to, magnetically drawn to, wanting to grab, I've got it on a CD, you know, and I grabbed that CD or not.
		I put it in my hand, and I look at it.
		I even, as I said, I put it in my CD drive and closed the door and started the process and then chickened out and stopped it.
		I don't know what I'm worried about.
		I've got tape back up, you know, but it's just that.
		On my Windows 95 line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is Clinton in Oklahoma City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oklahoma City, yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, I have OS2 and got the Windows 95.
		And Windows 95 did just fine except for some files.
		They were real old DOS programs that I had problems with.
		But overall, it's doing pretty good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, did it just refuse to run some of the older stuff?
unidentified		Yeah, it got filed up in the hard drive.
		I had prepped the machine with Norton Utilities for Windows.
		And we've had experienced some people over here having virus programs.
		They've got a lot of virus programs running through the systems when you download stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And your 16-bit virus protection programs don't work with Windows 95.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, now I've heard that.
		Thank you for that.
		Virus protection.
		You know, I once had a virus in my computer, Michelangelo.
		Actually, I've had it in there twice.
		And the present DAW system, I know a lot of eyes are glazing over out there, but this is a big event, Windows 95.
		The present DAW system, 6.2 or 2.2, whatever you've got, has MSAV, which is a wonderfully effective virus eliminator.
		And I've heard people say, well, there is no virus protection in Windows 95.
		So if you do a lot of telecommunicating, you might have reason to be concerned.
		Now, I don't know whether that's true or not, but that's the second person who told me that.
		See, that makes me vacillate again.
		Do you see why I'm worried?
		Who wants a virus?
		Not me.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Radio Free America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Listen, I wanted to get to the Ark, but on the Joshua Tree, Toad's polls would be the same polls that had Pataki, I mean Cuomo up by 16.
		Yeah, yeah, those polls, yeah.
		They're polling America.
		Anyway, on the Ark, you had a lady call in about some religious references to the flood.
		However, I think the Bible is the only reference point that specifically points out the mountains of Ararat as the resting place of the Ark.
		So one would have to come to the conclusion that there would be humongous support in the Bible's version of the story, so to speak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do conclude that.
unidentified		And what's really amazing, and another lady called in, was about the qubits, which they're not precisely sure about.
		And she could actually be correct with her measurements on that.
		A lot of people say 450 feet long, but it might be longer.
		They're not sure about that.
		So this is really a fascinating story.
		Art, I wanted to ask you, what was the date that they said that that showed up on the satellite?
		Well, people are confusing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The actual, the way I understand the story is the very day of the creation of Israel, 1948, there was an earthquake.
		Right.
		But I do not have the date.
		Years later, when satellite imagery, and it was satellite imagery, so obviously it was years later, first detected the apparent presence of what seems to be or may be the ark.
unidentified		If you could maybe find out what is possibly a specific date that that satellite photograph was taken, I would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it was not long after that that we began hearing about it, and so I'm taking a wild stab now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've been hearing about this, it seems like, for about four or five years now, and so I'll bet that's about when.
unidentified		Oh, wow, it's really a fascinating story.
unidentified		Also, lastly, to the lady that kind of cheed you out for being a sexist, Maybe she can get Charlie into Mills College.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By today's standards, I am a sexist, and I'm even sort of proud of that.
unidentified		So am I, I guess.
unidentified		I'll talk to you later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you later.
		Anybody see Shannon last night?
		On my Windows 95 line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I did actually have a problem with my video card.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, your video card?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A conflict.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-oh.
unidentified		Well, it wasn't a conflict.
unidentified		It's one of those 16 million color cards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		But it only works as a regular 16-color card under Windows 95.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Windows 95 should have installed new drivers.
unidentified		Yeah, it didn't recognize.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It didn't recognize your card, huh?
unidentified		So I would recommend that people check out beforehand that they can get Windows 95 drivers for the equipment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it'll be interesting to see how many people have the same exact problem.
		They supposedly had drivers that would cover about everything that's out there.
		Now, you may be proof they don't.
		Thank you very much for the call, sir.
		Thanks.
		A little problem.
		I'm going to put that one down.
		I too have a video card that gives me 16 million colors, you know, two megs of video RAM.
		And I know I'm kind of being chicken, but I'm one of those who I'm so happy with what I've got now that it's hard to imagine I could be happier.
		My computers are running at the moment.
		You know, you can get very angry at them, and it has not always been this way.
unidentified		But they're running very well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so there's the old saying, don't fix it if it ain't broken, right?
		Well, it ain't broken.
		Nevertheless, the temptation to fix it remains.
		Windows 95 Line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		I was running.
		I just got done installing it.
		It's running fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		No problems at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of computer?
unidentified		Compact.
		Oh, a laptop?
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		It's a regular four-standing model.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		486?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many megs of memory?
unidentified		16.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		16.
		Okay.
		See, I've got 8.
		I haven't updated yet, but I understand it runs on 8 over.
unidentified		Yeah, it's doing multitasking real smooth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what I've heard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a lot of applications?
unidentified		I was defragging my Bernoulli drive.
unidentified		I've got several drives hooked up and several SCSI devices and recognized all of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		And I had no problems whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But when I say a lot of applications, I wasn't asking so much about hardware as software.
unidentified		I haven't really tried most of my older applications, but I think they're going to be okay.
		I had one problem.
		It didn't like my Logitech mouse driver.
		Really?
		And it just told me that I should upgrade it.
		And other than that, everything worked fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then did your mouse driver then not work?
unidentified		It works, but I couldn't program the center in the right button on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
		I see.
		All right.
		Well, no, that makes sense.
		All right.
		Well, so far, look, after you've gone through some of your old applications, let me hear from you again, all right?
unidentified		Sure will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because that's the only thing that's scaring me a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
unidentified		Screams Thank you.
		Now we take you back to the night of August 23rd, 1995.
		on Art Bell, somewhere in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell First time caller line, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		All right, I have a comment on racism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay, I just think that there will always be racism until we stop categorizing people as white people and black people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, and that will not occur until there are no more white and black people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, until we're all gray or whatever.
unidentified		Well, you know, I just think that, you know, there's no such thing as white garbage or black garbage.
unidentified		There's just garbage, period.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a fair statement.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks.
		I've always thought that one day as intermarriage continues, the races will sort of color-wise simply disappear, and then we're going to really need somebody to hate.
		And see what are we going to do then when the color differences or the religious differences, they may not disappear.
		But the color differences will.
		I suppose we can then all still fight over religion.
		Heaven forbid we don't have anything to hate for, huh?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Dan from Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dan.
unidentified		Anyway, I wanted to talk to you about Gordon Michael Scallion.
unidentified		Appreciate you playing the tape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's relevant, considering what's going on right now.
unidentified		Well, I hadn't heard it before.
unidentified		And it was interesting to me because you held over the second half where he was talking about the Martinique events down in the Caribbean islands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he mention something about volcanic activity with Vesuvius and Aetna?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Well, I think I can understand why he's so tired.
unidentified		Well, last time I checked, Etna is in Sicily, in the Mediterranean, and Vesuvius is in western Italy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then you've got to look more carefully in the Caribbean.
unidentified		What's that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got to look more carefully in the Caribbean.
unidentified		Are there other volcanoes named Etna and Vesuvius?
unidentified		Other than the two famous ones?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not a geography expert, but he named those, and then I believe two other possible active volcanoes north and south of those two.
unidentified		So I remember I mentioned Edward Casey and discussions about Pele.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And then I was just kind of completely blown out of the water when he brought up Vesuvius and Esuius because I know those are two very famous uh long active volcanoes uh in the Mediterranean.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I absolutely you know, I'm no uh 100% Caribbean expert either, but uh I don't uh well he mentioned uh he mentioned he excuse me he met he mentioned the adjacency to Martinique and I I know exactly where Martinique is.
		I was there three years ago.
		So I promise you that's in the Caribbean.
unidentified		Well I'll do a little more checking on it pull out my localized map and see what I can find out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		And in addition and I don't have it now in front of me there is a volcanic activity doggone it Monserat Montserrat.
		I don't need to find it.
		That's what it was, Monserat.
		It has according to USGS and a lot of the others an 80% chance of erupting shortly and they are presently evacuating.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm Phil from Sacramento.
unidentified		I was curious how many system operators that run bulletin boards, if they're having any problems like, you know, front end, front door type thing with the Windows 95?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think about that?
unidentified		I'm skeptical like you.
		I know I have.
		I'm going to put this thing in there, man.
		I'm doing fine under Dawson.
		Well, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard, though, and this is the truth, that I think it's the truth, that bulletin board operators are going to love it more than almost anybody else because of the true multitasking, a real advantage in bulletin board operations.
unidentified		That's curious because I read a lot of Quick Mail and stuff like that.
		That's offline mail for people to understand what that is.
		But anyhow, there's a lot of articles in there of problems after problems after problems with Windows 95.
		And I've read nothing but problems for system operations and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, look, I'm with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm staying with 311 until I get a lot of calls saying, Art, you're crazy if you don't go to Windows 95.
unidentified		Yeah, for multitasking, it would make sense from a user's point.
		But, you know, if you're offering something to somebody, then, you know, I don't know.
		Like you said, if it's not broken, why mess with it?
		Like, if the car engine's dirty, why clean it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but, you know, that's also a little like saying it sure is fun driving my 25-year-old Lincoln car when you could be driving a brand new, you know, whiz-bang something or another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so, you know...
unidentified		I've got my Windows 3.1 and DOS 3.1 backed up on CD-ROM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's fun.
unidentified		Yeah, see, I don't worry about viruses at all.
unidentified		If I go down, I'm up in three hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's cool.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I appreciate it.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Yeah, thanks for talking there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
		We feel exactly the same way, sir.
		We're both chicken.
		I'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to our bell summer in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 23rd, 1995.
		So you think you...
		Midnight at the oasis, send your camel to bed.
		Shadows paint in our faces, traces of romance in our hair.
		Heaven's holding our hair through.
		Shining just for us.
		Let's slip off to a sand, do it really soon.
		Kick up the little dust.
		Come on, cactus is our friend.
		He'll point out the way.
		Come on, till the evening end.
		Till the evening end.
		don't have the answer You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks tonight an onshore presentation of Post to Post AM from August 23rd 1995 Ah good morning from the high desert I'm Art Bell And it's good to be here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm tempted.
		I'm so tempted.
		I've got a Windows 95 line open Windows 95 only on my Windows 95 line you're on the air good morning Art this is Jim in San Francisco KSFO Hi Jim how you doing?
unidentified		Oh, great.
		Yeah, I'm going to hold off on that kind of stuff for a while.
		I got through one, but it's always best to wait about six months or a year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, that's the wise thing to do, and it's the sensible or to use a bushism, a prudent thing to do.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I'm dying to put it in there.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Probably wouldn't look that much different.
		I mean, other than elderly tasking, it wouldn't look that much different anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't know.
		You know, people are saying it really is that it really is.
		I mean, it's an utterly, completely different operating system.
		It's using a new DOS 7 something or another.
		And you're right, it multidasks, and it's fast, and it's user-friendly, and all the rest.
		I mean, it's really tempting.
unidentified		Are you opinion-based?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I've got old 662 here, and I've also got 100 megahertz laptop.
unidentified		yeah I got a 4.6 laptop what kind of program are you using can you use more than four?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, yeah, eight megs in both computers, and I've got a 540 hard drive on both.
		Yeah, you bet.
		So, you know, I've got all I need, but I still can't, you know, I linger over the click continue, and I can't make my finger do it.
unidentified		It takes a while for the bugs to work out after it's been released to open.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know, I know, but I want to, and I don't want to.
		That's why I have this line open.
		Anyway, you don't qualify.
		You don't have it yet.
		That's true.
		That's right.
		Thank you.
		That's right.
		I just broke my own rule.
		It's supposed to be people only have put Windows 95 in.
		Only if you ran out at midnight and got it and you've loaded it in and you're reacting now.
		On my Windows 95 line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		I'm in Honolulu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		My name is Dave.
		And I forgot the radio station here.
		I'm sorry.
		I listen to it every night.
		It's a wonderful station.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how can you forget it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's KHVH in the middle of the day.
unidentified		It's KHVH, local, all-new.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I own one of, I'm a computer consultant, and I built computers here in Honolulu for many years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I just wanted to let you know that I've been a facial beta test site for many months, and I've been banging on Windows 95 for over a year and a half.
		And it's a great program, and this is where we're going into the future.
		Right now, to make this transition, you are going, and you and I and everybody else are going to have problems.
		For example, I'm using an AdevTech AHA 2940 FastWide SCSI 3 hard disk drive controller with a 2 gigabyte hard drive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And, well, this will give you about 155 megabytes per second data transfer rate and burst mode speed.
		Windows 95 didn't have drivers for it.
		I'm using a Matrox, one of their high-end video cards.
		You can possibly buy a $1,000 card with 4 megs of VRAM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it didn't recognize?
unidentified		No, it didn't have drivers for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, so you're the second person who said that it hasn't had drivers for the video card.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		But as soon as I went out to Matrox, they're up in Canada and called their BBS and downloaded it, called at AppTech and downloaded the drivers, boom, everything is coming up.
		But the antivirus programs such as McGaffee's, which is absolutely about the best you can buy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
unidentified		Norton's and PC tools, these kinds of programs, and even Photoshop if you're into multimedia like I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I do have Norton and I do have PZ tools, and you're going to tell me they're not going to run.
unidentified		No, and don't even try because you can really, you know, you can have long file names now in Windows 95, 100, and you try Norton's on it, you're going to trash it.
		You're going to hurt yourself.
		So don't even try Norton.
		WordPerfect for Windows, a lot of people use that.
		I use Microsoft Word.
		But WordPerfect has got some bugs in it that's going to lock you up and give you some problems if you're doing certain things.
		Otherwise, a Quicken version 4.0, Quicken 3 runs better on Windows 95 than Quicken version 4.0 does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but you've given me more on the negative side than on the positive side.
unidentified		Well, no, it's a good program.
		What it is, it's a transition program to get us from 16-bit operating systems to 32-bit.
		And Windows NT is really where we should be right now, but that's made mainly for file servers.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, I know somebody who just installed Windows NT, as a matter of fact.
unidentified		One good thing, if I could say it, please.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I listen to you every night, and I love your show.
		But Microsoft is coming out with Microsoft Office and Office Professional, and it's all recompiled and all done up for Windows 95.
		So anybody that's using Word and Excel and all those flying programs like that, in the next 30 to 60 days, you're going to see a complete flood of new applications recompiled and built for Windows 95.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very good point.
unidentified		It's a good place to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you.
		Yeah, but maybe it's not a good place to be yet.
		And, you know, what you just told me kind of supports my deepest fears.
		And that is that a number of applications might not work.
		I really don't worry that it, you know, I have a Phantom 64 video card.
		And I don't worry that it won't recognize that.
		I think it would.
		I'm not so sure about the scanning device.
		I'm not so sure about a light weather device card and some of the rest of that.
		I'm just not sure.
		But this man is right about one thing, and that is you're going to see a flood of rewritten applications for Windows 95 over the next few months.
		Maybe that'll make life a lot easier.
		Maybe a lot of what I depend on right now will be rewritten to be compatible.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, this is Sandy in Ottawa, Illinois.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Sandy.
unidentified		Hello.
		I am sorry you've gone off of our radio now for our agricultural report.
		So I don't know if anyone has answered this, but you had a gentleman that was a little sarcastic about Mr. Scallion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And he did not say that Vesuvius and Aetna were in the Caribbean.
unidentified		He said that there were lava vents underground that connected all of those.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then he mentioned activity, I believe, on each side of Martinique, correct?
		Right.
		That's what I thought.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		So people should not be sarcastic unless they hear the words, but they don't listen to what they really are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he qualified it.
unidentified		Right.
		All right.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		And have a good morning.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello there.
		Well, that's too bad.
		You wasted a call.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		How you doing, Art?
		Okay.
		I just want to say about the Windows 95.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It's amazing you guys are so excited to have something that's so close to a Macintosh now.
		That's the way the whole Macintosh system is built up.
		It's so easy, and the bugs are worked out already.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not jumping in on this one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to do it.
unidentified		It's just so funny because everybody is going like, oh, Windows 95, it's wonderful.
		It's so easy.
		That's the way Macintosh is built up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing.
unidentified		It's truly amazing.
unidentified		sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right, fine.
		All right.
		I'll tell you, I'll tell you that I think Macintoshes are going to be full of dust in garages all over America over the next 10 years, and it's going to IBM.
unidentified		Not with the power PCs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well.
unidentified		The power PC chips are blowing away the Pentiums are blowing away the Intels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why I'm doing this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You baited me into it.
unidentified		I didn't mean to bait you, but it just surprised me because when I looked at just watching on TV about the 95 and the whole way it's all set up is the way Macintosh has been doing it for years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now you're beginning.
unidentified		This is great.
unidentified		This is wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're repeating yourself.
unidentified		I know.
		I'm sorry about that.
		But I mean, it is amazing with the power PCs, because people always said that the Macintoshes weren't good because they didn't have the speed that the IBMs had.
		But with the power PCs, they do have the speed now.
		In fact, they've got beyond the speed.
		I think the newest ones, they're 132 megahertz.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I understand that there'll be 130 or 40 megahertz chip out shortly for IBM.
unidentified		Shortly, but Macintosh is already there, so I don't think you'll be seeing the Macintosh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't listen to any more of this, sir.
unidentified		Well, have a good evening, Artney, and all you guys with the 95s, have fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line.
		No, no, no, no.
		On my Windows 95 line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I just, sir, curious, what's making you decide not to hold up to go to Windows 95?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, have you been listening?
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, you know that the fact is that in Seattle area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have Windows 95?
unidentified		Yes, I have.
unidentified		I've worked with it for quite a long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another beta tester?
unidentified		Sort of.
		Yeah.
		I'm a little closer to the product than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So let's just let it out then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You work for Microsoft?
unidentified		I work with Microsoft, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, fine.
unidentified		One thing is you can back out.
		You have ability to back out, and you can still leave your present Windows DOS configuration there.
		So if you worry, there's one possibilities right there, is you can leave it there and not have to worry about it.
		You can stay there and decide what to go with.
		Another thing is, is for a lot of people, it is a much easier use system than Windows 3.1 was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it is going to be easier for a lot of people, but I don't care about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		What do you...
unidentified		What are you...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, obviously, I admit it.
		I'm intrigued by an entire new operating system.
		That's what this is.
		I recognize that.
unidentified		That's good, and that's a sighting.
		And that's one of the good things about people should have.
		I mean, one of the things is, you know, your disk tools in your virus software, yes, that's going to go bye-bye because of the fact that we use a different file system now with the long file names, which those softwares aren't aware of.
		There's that growing pain for everyone there.
		And most of the manufacturers are ready or will be ready shortly for those.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But hold it now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pause.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't that make a case for prudence?
		In other words, for sitting back and saying, look, 311 is running great.
		All my applications are running great.
		Why am I not smarter to wait until the bugs are out?
		The applications are rewritten, many of them for Windows 95.
		Why is it not smarter to do that?
unidentified		Well, Leonard, by the way, my name is Douglas.
		The one thing which you got here is we already have inside the product a disk defragmenter.
		We have a disk scanner for bad sectors and stuff already in the product.
		So you do have some basic disk tools with you today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, okay.
		What about the virus question?
		Now, that's important because I do a lot of telecommunicating and up and downloading.
		And so now address that.
unidentified		On that, from what I understood, and I don't want to speak for the companies to cash text forms.
		So what I understand is a couple of them are supposedly tomorrow you might want to go give them a call.
		They probably have something already there for you.
		Well, that's a guess.
		That's something I think you should feel fairly confident about that way.
		A lot of them are there.
		The other thing is that a lot of your virus software, I have found it to work fairly well for people as long as it used.
		I've used McCaffrey's under it before, too, the later versions to do it.
		Another thing with Fiber Software, which you have to realize...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Will it do you any good with Windows 95?
unidentified		They'll catch the viruses which it knows about today.
		The one thing with virus software in general is that virus software, you always have to constantly upgrade it anyway because unfortunately there's church in the computer world which want to damage your machines for some kicks.
		I don't understand why, but that way.
		So that's what's there too.
		I mean, even under DOS Windows 3.1, I really appreciate the call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		That's obviously somebody on the inside.
		I've got a couple things I've got to do here.
		This has been fun.
		It's really tempting.
		You never know what I'll do when I get off the air here.
		You never know.
unidentified		I'm kinda hyped up about it.
		Now we take you back to the night of August 23rd, 1995.
		on Art Bell, somewhere in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		I just did.
		Sorry about that.
		This is Chris calling from Austin.
		yes sir i just wanted to make a note Yes.
		I had just recently read, I think in Discovery magazine, you said something about you believe we only use 10% of our brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whatever it is.
unidentified		Something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I just read that with their MRI studies and stuff they're doing now that we use 100% of our brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is indeed a new discovery because I had not heard that.
unidentified		Yeah.
		You know, they can measure the magnetic resonances of whatever you're thinking about, apparently.
		And they put people in there and have them think about different things, and they can measure which parts of the brain are being used.
		And apparently, they've got most of it all mapped.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's news to me.
		Certainly news to me.
		And when did they manage to map the part that gives people special powers like precognition?
		I hadn't heard that either.
unidentified		That, well, you got me there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, I had to get you somewhere.
		All right, thank you.
		I don't know if that's true or not.
		Some of the rest of you may want to comment.
		Do we use 100% of our brain?
		I don't think so.
		All traditional science that I've heard of all my life indicated something like 10%.
		Now, maybe that's wrong.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		This is Komovic and Kinnevick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I was wondering, sir, if you got the Bigfoot article in the mail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did, thank you.
unidentified		Okay, great.
unidentified		And I wanted to ask you, do pictures from newspapers turn out on Fexus?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hardly ever.
		Okay, sir.
		If you know what you're doing and you put it in light mode for transmit, you've got a real good chance.
		But if you let it go normally through, you generally get a black blob.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		I wanted to just make one comment.
		I sure hope they use primer paint on the space needle.
		Wouldn't that be a good idea?
		You know, after the show is done, then you'll make it back to normal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you're absolutely right.
		Well, you know what's funny?
		We were talking about the space needle, and the company, the company that did this, put the wheel of fortune on the space needle.
		They sent me a fax, and they said, yes, we did it, and it'll be undone here in a day or two, and then done in something else.
		So occasionally, I guess they just, you know, they do that with the space needle up there.
		They just sort of decorate it one way or the other.
		And I don't know, I sort of thought of it as space needle sacrilege, but, you know, it's Seattle.
		well i guess as long as it doesn't bother the people of seattle it should not bother me it just They had everything but Vanna twirling on top.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art, this is Robert Murder, Capital of the World, New Orleans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New Orleans, how you doing, Robert?
unidentified		I'm doing fine.
unidentified		I was lucky enough to download the pictures from Roswell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And I got a first look at it, and the first thing I saw was the head of the aliens, and it looked just like from the movie The Thing.
unidentified		If you remember the way the head looked?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sure do.
unidentified		And I thought that was real curious whether or not it's real or not.
		But it, you know, what was your overall impression?
		I tend to want to believe it, that they are real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Me too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I wonder what percentage of that is I tend to believe it based on what I've seen versus I want to believe it.
unidentified		I think it goes more by what I've seen, what I've heard, what I've read.
		You know, you know how the government covers up as much as they possibly can.
		And if it was real, you know, like you said, would the people panic or go crazy?
		Yeah, they would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Enough of them, anyway.
unidentified		Well, I know my wife would because she already looked at them and said she wouldn't believe it if they came up, walked up to her, and bit her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		She doesn't want to believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell your wife to be careful what she even thinks about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		All right, well, that's all we're going to tell you about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, how's New Orleans?
unidentified		How is it?
		I don't know.
		They said it's getting better because it was down like two months ago when I talked to you, but it looks like it's climbing up again in the murder rate.
		We're killing two or three a day again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, three a day.
unidentified		Yeah, we knocked off five the day before yesterday, and I think three since I woke up this morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, that's terrible.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, look, we're out of time, so say good night, America.
unidentified		Well, good night, and God bless America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was nice.
		God bless America.
		Certainly can use his help.
		Well, listen, another great night of talk radio.
		Tomorrow we'll learn more about Windows 95.
unidentified		As for me, I've got this CD.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What should I do with it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you tomorrow.

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