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Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM, from August 23rd, 1995.
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, or good morning, as the case may be across all these Very many time zones from the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands, East to the U.S.
Virgin Islands and the Caribbean, South well into South America, North to the North Pole.
We call it Coast to Coast AM and the title still works, just that there's more coasts.
Welcome everybody, I'm Art Bell and this is Live Overnight Talk Radio, actually the largest overnight show in America, period.
It's good to be here.
Now, a couple of notes.
One is the late news that Harry Wu may be out, and I guess the First Lady will be in.
Harry Wu may be out of jail.
Got a 15-year sentence, but expelled.
So I'm not sure what 15-year sentence means.
It means they were angry, but you're out of here.
And probably means they want the First Lady to come and talk at the Women's... attend the Women's Conference in China.
And I wonder how you feel about that.
It does seem an odd place for it, you know, Communist China, where women, I can assure you from my recent visit, do not have one of the higher places in their society, to put it mildly.
So it seems an odd place for the conference, but it was Asia's turn to have it, and Communist China volunteered for whatever reason.
Who knows?
Well, it sure was fun.
I did the part of the morning show yesterday morning on KCMO in Kansas City, and we had a blast.
Some of you may have heard that, those of you who were up late enough.
Tomorrow morning, or yes, now still in this time zone, tomorrow morning, I'll be doing yet another one with WSDR in Sterling, Illinois.
1240 on the dial in Sterling, so if you're up at that time, I will be about the same 30 as about same.
Yeah, it'll be the same 3930 Central Time.
Now, at the beginning of the program, I just got a call prior to the program that, in fact, there is a beginning eruption of a volcano in the Caribbean.
Now, this is pretty serious news if you've ever listened to Gordon Michael Scallion, and I'll tell you what.
I have got the Gordon Michael Scallion interview that I played a couple of weeks ago, and I may play it again after midnight.
I just may root it out and play it.
In the meantime, I'm going to open my first-time caller line for the Caribbean, so we can find out what's going on out there.
What is going on out there?
Any of you in the U.S.
Virgin Islands who have any knowledge of this apparent eruption or imminent eruption, I'm not sure, of a volcano.
I've got this now from two separate sources.
I really would like to know about it.
So, if you're in the U.S.
Virgin Islands, it is the first time caller line that I will hold open for you when we begin to take calls.
At area code 702, 7-2-7-1-2-2-2.
Let me give it again.
From the U.S.
Virgin Islands, anybody with any info on this volcano, area code 7-0-2-7-2-7-1-2-2-2.
And I'll be asking everybody else to hold off until we get our info.
Now, germ warfare.
Nobody, well I guess we now do, know how very close we came to all-out warfare terrible warfare it was disclosed today in Jordan that Saddam Hussein had biological and get this chemical weapons loaded in weapons ready to use in the Gulf War both in short-range and long-range weapons capable of hitting Israel
Ralph Achaus, the UN's guy who's in charge of trying to get rid of all those weapons, confirmed everybody's worst fears.
And we had them at the time of that war.
As I said, both short and long-range weapons loaded to the gills with up to 13 gallons of anthrax, 13,000 gallons of anthrax, which will shut down your respiratory system, botulism, 130,000 gallons, the world's deadliest poison.
It attacks the central nervous system and basically shuts down your heart and your lungs and you.
Now, the big question was, he had it all loaded, ready to go, so why didn't he use it?
Well, the answer is, because George Bush said, if you do, we will respond with nuclear weapons.
And, of course, he meant it.
So, what does this mean?
It means even Saddam Hussein was not completely insane.
That he was not completely suicidal.
That he knew exactly what would occur if he used those weapons against U.S.
troops fighting wherever they were in Kuwait if he used it against the Saudis or the Israelis.
So he didn't do it.
Moral of the story, deterrent works.
But then you've got to wonder about next time.
What do you mean next time?
Senator Lugar is holding hearings now, this week.
On all of the Russian, apparent Russian sales of high-grade nuclear bomb-grade materials.
Weapons-grade, they call it.
Says, one day, we may see square miles of American cities vaporized.
And it kind of set me to thinking.
You know, as we grew up, many of us, my age, we all feared the big one.
The big nuclear exchange.
Remember duck and cover?
Under the desk?
Cover the back of your neck?
This will help you survive a nuclear war?
Well, I wonder what our children will face.
And it seems to me, with proliferation the way it is, they're going to face, in effect, a far greater danger than we did.
Possibly not the extinction of the whole human race on the planet, as there would have been with the big one, but a lot of small ones.
Imagine the terror, not knowing what city would go up next.
Imagine the terror we just had with Oklahoma City.
What if that had been a nuclear device?
Impossible?
Not at all.
according to most of those in the know, in fact, eventually, probable.
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Here's what you missed on Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
You were recently on talking about the men in black, and we're not talking about Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones.
We're talking about serious men in black.
What are they up to?
Basically, their sole job is to limit public knowledge, and I guess if you meet them, you must know something too much.
Do they scare people?
Oh, absolutely.
Some people are wondering what in the world is going on, and who are these guys?
Now we take you back to the night of August 23rd, 1995, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
OJ, one of the more interesting days in the trial.
The One of the world's very respected, foremost forensic scientists hit very hard
The prosecution's single killer theory, using blood spatter evidence, oh, he was very, uh, he threw it around and showed everybody how it ought to spatter, said that, in fact, he believes he's identified shoe prints from a second killer.
Either that, or O.J.
wore two pairs of shoes while he did the killing.
Said, have you ever heard of that before?
He said no.
So, this would seem to be pretty serious evidence.
In other words, they do not match the shoes the prosecution says O.J.
wore the night of the murders.
Not his.
If not his, then whose?
It means the possibility of a second killer.
Add to that The latest fallout, we're going to hear it all by the time they finally get into court, from the Furman tapes.
The New York Times reported, NBC confirmed, talk of something called kill parties, where police get together after a suspect has been killed, and party.
Furman said, allegedly, quote, It's like the end of a football game where you just won the championship and you're on a real high.
You're dominant!
You're powerful!
You're unbeatable!
End quote.
Now, Detective Furman has a new attorney.
This time, a criminal lawyer who may have to defend him against charges of perjury.
And Furman's new criminal lawyer said, well, if they call him back to the stand, it may be Detective Furman will choose to take the fifth.
And, uh, that should be interesting.
In a letter sent to possible donors, Detective Furman said the following, quote, I am the latest victim of a new and deliberate strategy used by lawyers to defend their clients.
That would be ignore the crime, ignore the evidence, just attack and destroy the cops involved.
Falsely charge that they're brutal, evil, or in any case capable of framing an innocent citizen for murder for racist reasons, end quote.
And with that he is trying to raise some money for his possible defense.
And I guess my only question would be, if you were on the jury, and Detective Fuhrman was called back into court.
Now remember, now remember, if you're on the jury, presumably you don't know anything about these tapes.
You don't have the slightest idea.
If you were on the jury, the last thing that's in your mind is that Detective Fuhrman was a very good witness.
That F. Lee Bailey, uh, didn't manage to pull a thing from him.
And that that, uh, very, uh, passionate cross-examination was basically useless.
And Furman was a tough, rough, tough, uh, SOCOM witness, and, uh, had his act together.
So, if that same, if you're on the jury, and the same guy, same detective, Mr. I've Got It Together comes back to the stand and begins to take the Fifth Amendment and refuses to answer questions.
If you're on that jury, what do you think?
What do you think that would do to the prosecution's case?
Big trouble, I suspect.
More trial news.
The Menendez brothers go back on trial soon.
Jury selection has begun for a second trial.
It will take several weeks just to get a jury.
First trials, you'll recall, ended up with dual or two hung juries.
I wonder if it's come to the point in America where the old saying has become now literal, that you can get away with murder.
Get away with murder.
Congressman Mel Reynolds going to jail for a lesser crime.
Sentencing date September 12th.
Convicted on 12 counts of sexual misconduct involving a 16-year-old campaign worker.
He'll get a minimum mandatory four years and could probably get as much as 80 if they really went after him.
Larry Hagman, the actor, Diagnosed about three years ago with cirrhosis of the liver, after admitting to years of heavy drinking, has received a new liver today.
They have found a cancerous tumor on his liver last month.
So, here we are once again.
Mickey Mantle, of course you know about that very tragic story, and now Larry Hagman.
And I guess all I would ask is this, and I'm not going to begrudge anybody a liver, save their life, Hagman or Mantle or anybody else, but why is not this evidence, along with what happened to Mantle, and so many others, why does this evidence, this health problem, Not deserve the same kind of legislative attention as cigarettes do from our president.
I'd like to know about that.
I wonder if any of you have any thoughts on that.
Kind of an interesting piece from Unsolved Mysteries last night.
I think it was a repeat, but it was really interesting, and it is kind of a religious... I think it's a religious topic.
I'm not sure.
It has to do with spontaneous remission.
Now, a lot of people out there would say, well, of course there's spontaneous remission.
I mean, occasionally things cure themselves up in your body.
However, They documented with, um, evidence, mammogram evidence, that a woman who went in, like on a Friday, and had a mammogram, um, there was clear, undisputable evidence of lumps, you know, of cancerous, uh, possibly, uh, cancerous lumps.
So she was due to go get another mammogram and possibly a mastectomy or whatever other treatment was due.
And she went home and prayed.
Prayed.
And she said that there was an answer.
A soft, gentle voice that answered her.
Told her it would be okay.
She went back to the doctor's office Monday morning.
They did another mammogram.
And there was not even a hint of a lump.
Nothing.
Gone.
And unsolved mysteries then referred to a double-blind... You know, when you're trying to prove something, you do something called a double-blind study.
And you've got two groups that you're looking at.
And they documented that the people, I know this may sound wild to some of you, and not be a surprise to others, but people who were, who had very serious, life-threatening illnesses in group one, prayed and had people pray for them.
In the other group, there were no prayers.
And I forget the numbers, but it was very, very significant.
The power of prayer is what I'm asking you about.
Now, you know me.
Mister, I've got to be shown or have it proven to me.
And while I thought all of this was very interesting, and these are just examples, I wonder in my own mind, Whether the power of prayer is answered from an external source, God, our maker, whoever, or whether the power of prayer is strongly felt within the person doing the praying, so strongly felt that they manage to actually, with the power of their own mind,
And look, you've got to understand, I do not rule out this possibility.
With the power of their own mind, cure themselves.
And therein lies an interesting discussion, I suppose.
And I'm not sure what the answer is, but I do believe this story.
And I just gave you a couple.
They are legion.
People claiming the power of prayer cures them.
And, um, certainly, lumps shown in a ma- then they showed them on TV.
In a mammogram.
Done Friday.
Gone Monday.
That's just not a normal, slow, but sure, remission.
That's kind of off into the category of, uh, magic.
Miracle.
You know, you use the word you want to use.
Uh, but it certainly is something that is occurring beyond our understanding.
Wouldn't you say?
Alright, we're gonna break here at the bottom of the hour.
Strap in.
I have no idea what's coming next.
I only know that it's on the way.
We'll be right back.
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I never dreamed that I'd meet somebody like you.
And I never dreamed that I'd lose somebody like you.
No, I don't want...
I'm so excited, I just can't hide it. I'm about to lose control and I think I like it.
I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it. I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I want you.
I want you.
You're listening to Art Thrift.
Hi everybody.
Well, I've changed my mind.
That's my prerogative.
I'm going to do the U.S.
Virgin Islands thing at the top of the hour.
That is, the top of this coming hour.
I'll tell you what we'll do.
If it turns out this volcano is erupting, or predicted to be about erupting, and I have now two separate sources saying it is so, I may replay the Gordon Michael Scallion most recent interview that lasts about 20 minutes that I had with him, that I think you'll find absolutely startling.
And, uh, it concerns a recent, uh, group of earthquakes, and the people in L.A.
have never heard, uh, this.
Many of them.
And so, uh, now that I've thought about it, I think that what I will do is going into the news at, uh, the top of the hour, try to get a call from the U.S.
Virgin Islands.
And we will, uh, do that, uh, coming out of the top of the hour, and then, uh, play that interview, perhaps in its entirety.
There's been just too much going on that has been confirmatory with regard to the predictions made by Mr. Scallion.
Facts just came in are, please don't perpetuate the celebrity favoritism fallacy concerning organ transplants.
No matter where one is on the list, if the organ type match does not fit That one has got to wait, no matter how much money or notoriety the recipient has.
Well, that's from David in South Carolina.
David, I wasn't doing that.
As a matter of fact, if you were listening, David, what I said was, with the news of these, and now obviously when they're celebrities, they're news.
So, with the news of the organ transplants, and in both cases, cirrhosis involved, Meaning a lot of drinking, admitted by both people in these cases.
My question was, why is it not being treated legislatively, the liquor industry, as the tobacco industry is being treated?
Now, that was my angle.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air, good morning.
Oh boy, that was quick.
Well, good.
This is Owen from Princeton, Minnesota, and I first of all want to thank you for the Cusco CDs that I won.
They arrived on Monday.
Oh, they arrived on Monday, and aren't they great?
Yeah, they're pretty good.
Now, I'm calling not regarding anything tonight, if that's okay.
I was just calling to talk about bridge jumping in Detroit.
Late news on that is, the police chief in Detroit says, well, the reports of the cheering and chanting were exaggerated.
He said, he didn't say it did not occur, he said, exaggerated.
I kind of want to relate that to Noah's Ark and your mini-calls the last couple of nights on.
How do you feel about that?
inserting some sort of DNA and really...
Yeah, all this really is out ahead of the big release on the 28th of the Roswell film.
Yeah.
Well, anyway, this may sound kind of harsh, but for the bridge jumping, it seems to me
that that's the perfect example of natural selection.
Really?
How do you feel about that?
Do you think I'm being a little harsh there?
Yes.
In other words, a natural selection argument might be made if she had said, you know, hey,
the world sucks, I'm out of here and jumped.
But when you're pushed, or when it's murder, then I wouldn't attribute it to natural selection.
Well, anyway, I want to relate that to Noah's Ark by saying that we have two, or even three if you count the aliens, Three theories about how the human race got on the earth, right?
Okay.
Now, we have significant evidence towards two of them, one being Darwinism and the other being a creator.
Are you with me so far?
Now, what happens... Yes, this is not hard stuff so far, sir.
Okay.
Now, what happens when we have significant evidence towards both if we find the art?
I don't know.
Are we going to teach both?
Or are we going to have to figure out which one's which and which one we should teach in our schools?
Well, I would say if the Ark is found up on Ararat, and it's really what we think it is, and the scientists say there's about 100,001 that it is, not some sort of freak of nature, then yeah, I would say There's going to be a big argument, a very large argument, indeed, about what to teach in schools.
That was a good call, sir.
I appreciate your having made it.
Sure he is.
I mean, if the Ark, come on now, if the Ark is found, it's going to change a lot of things for a lot of people, let's face it.
A lot of people are going to do it.
Well, it's probably going to send the Bible right up to the top of the bestseller list, I would say, very quickly, wouldn't you?
It is one of the more Difficult to believe parts of the Bible for a lot of people.
You know, that the world flooded and Noah had them come on the ship two by two and all the rest of it, but my God, what if it's true?
What if it's true?
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Yes, good morning.
Tony from Anchorage.
Yes, sir.
I just wanted to ask you a question.
You use the term free radicals.
What do you mean by that?
Free radicals are agents, toxins, poisons to you as a human being that come into your body through just about everything that you take into your body.
The air you breathe, water, food, toxins generally in the environment.
Let me ask you.
What is some of the most powerful free radicals?
Or maybe even the most powerful free radical?
The most powerful free radical?
What do you think, sir?
I know.
It's fluoride.
Oh, God, not again.
Oh, it is.
It is.
Oh, not again.
By far.
You burden me with this, sir.
Fluoride, if taken in gigantic doses, is poisonous.
There's every bit of evidence that, given in the kinds of doses that they say will prevent tooth decay, is not poisonous.
Well, fluoride causes tooth decay, and it also causes tooth loss.
Alright, thanks.
See you later.
No, I really don't want to go through that again.
Now, fluoride, he says, causes tooth decay, tooth loss.
And is the dentist's best friend, no doubt, right?
Well, every scientific study I've ever seen on fluoride shows that it does, in fact, prevent tooth decay.
And I know of no study that shows that it is poisoning us through our precious bodily fluids or whatever.
Ease to the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi Art, how you doing?
I'm doing.
You were talking about healing power for the lady with the tumor.
This is my belief, that all power used for good comes from God.
All power used for bad purposes comes from the devil, because the devil can give you power.
And that, you know, God... Ma'am?
What?
Where do you think Gordon Michael Scallion's power comes from?
Gordon Michael Scallion?
Only Gordon knows that one.
I don't know.
I don't know enough about Gordon's abilities.
But I do know that God allows us to take our next breath.
It's in His hands whether we live or die.
Well, that was the question, you see, whether really it's in God's hands every breath we take, or whether, in some sense, it's in our own hands.
Or you could mix the two and say, well, God is within.
In other words, I believe, and I do believe this, as you know, we use a very small portion of our brain.
We understand very, very little about our brain.
It is a wondrous organism that makes the most powerful computer on earth look like a piece of junk, like a rock.
The brain's complexity and ability to process information is staggering scientifically.
So, it makes sense to me, just all the sense in the world, that our brain, the most wonderful computer ever conceived, still not understood, can do things that we are not fully aware of.
What do we use?
10%?
15%?
At best 10% is what I think I've heard of our brain.
percent at best ten percent is what I think I've heard of our brain well what
is that other 90% there for is it something we once used Are we using less?
Are we beginning slowly to use more?
That's a very curious question, actually.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi, Art.
Hello.
My name is Marsha, and I'm calling from Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Excellent, Marsha.
And I'm telling you, I really enjoy your program a lot.
Thank you.
I wanted to make a comment about The comment that you made tonight about nuclear war.
Yes.
That we escaped nuclear war.
I don't think a lot of us escaped nuclear war, and I'll tell you why.
Not psychologically.
No.
Not psychologically.
But the United States was testing the atomic bomb before they dropped it on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Correct.
And a lot of women Born in 1945.
Have had very serious problems conceiving children.
I'm one of those women.
I had endometriosis.
And I had to have a hysterectomy when I was 27 years old.
A total hysterectomy from this terrible disease.
Now, how do you relate it to the atomic test?
My mother was pregnant with me when they were testing this and when the bombs went off in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Where was your mother?
My mother was in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
But if you recall, When they tested an atomic bomb in China, we were told that a nuclear cloud could come over the United States and that we would be exposed to radiation.
It was above ground.
I recall.
Yes.
Yes.
And I was seriously wondering how many other women in the country Well, it's hard to know.
Actually, thank you.
That was the year of my birth, 1945.
Thank you very much.
Boy, I'll tell you, that's a bit of a reach.
There was atomic testing.
Arguably, there were higher levels of radioactivity in the atmosphere.
And some of them, no doubt, reached Earth.
But how on Earth you would You would conclude that this affected you or your mom.
I'm not sure, and I'm not sure how you would ever, ever make such a connection.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
This is Andy.
I'm a first-time caller from Boise.
Well, good, Andy.
Glad to have you.
Yeah, I wanted to call and talk a little bit about Roswell.
I have a friend who showed me those pictures of your Dreamland report in his last newsletter here.
He also has the book, The Truth About Roswell.
How did the pictures impact you?
I looked at them and it was weird.
It was really weird.
Then I looked at the sketches that are in the book and looked at the pictures too and that set my hair up on end.
That was really bizarre the way those two, because it was like they were, like somebody maybe had seen them or something.
It just, whoa, that can't be it.
That can't be for real, but there it is.
I'm very much looking forward to the American public's reaction when everybody gets finally to see them.
I am too.
I'm really looking forward to that.
I've got the VCR going to be setting it up, and I'm going to check this out.
That looks really great.
Well, I'll tell you, I just wanted to call and mention that, because that really struck me big.
You said before those were going to be good pictures, and they were.
Yes, they were, and they are, right.
I wouldn't kid you.
When we put something in the newsletter and it's hot, it's hot.
And the next one is going to be, too.
Thank you.
And while I'm on the subject, the next newsletter, folks, is going to have a picture of the comet we have so frequently talked of lately.
And it is...
A very, very impressive photograph.
Believe me, very impressive.
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dot com now we take you back to the night of august twenty third
nineteen ninety five on our girls somewhere in time
Okay, west of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi, this is Gary Vancouver Washington.
Yes, Gary.
You were talking about whether it's mind over matter or it's God answering prayers or something.
Yes.
I got one paragraph I could read you out of a book for the AA book.
You remember who Dr. Jung was?
I don't know if I pronounced that right.
Worked with Freud and stuff?
No.
No, it's J-U-N-G.
Well, you remember who Freud was?
Of course.
Well, he worked with Freud for a while.
But this is the patient talking to him, and it's kind of the same thing you were talking about, if it's power of prayer or if it's mind over matter or what, but he's asking, you know, he's asking the doctor, you know, and the doctor's telling him that you have the mind of a chronic alcoholic.
I've never seen one single case recover where the state of mind existed to the extent that it does in you.
As though the gates of hell had closed on him with a clank.
And he said to the doctor, is there no exception?
Yes, replied the doctor, there is.
Exceptions to such cases as yours have been occurring since early times.
Here and there, once in a while, alcoholics have had what are called vital spiritual experiences.
To me, these occur as phenomena which appear to be in the nature of huge emotional displacements and rearrangements of ideas.
Alright, in other words, a spontaneous remission.
Yeah, well that's basically what the AA is all about, is getting into Well, look, I don't argue a bit with that.
My question remains, though, whether you think it is an external God force answering prayer, or whether it is the power of all these brains.
space over when nothing else ever worked well i i look i don't argue a bit with
that my question remains so uh... whether you think it is an external
god force answering prayer or whether it is the power of all these brains
personally i feel that uh... that it's a good thing with god myself but
you know the bottom line is that the work you know what does it matter
Well, you're absolutely correct.
I mean, there's no arguing with that.
If it works, who cares?
And I told you they did a double blind study on this.
That is quite remarkable.
And it appeared to show that prayer works.
That the people who pray, or, get this, who are prayed for, have a much, much higher recovery rate than those who do not.
Now that, when you think about it, is pretty remarkable, I would say.
Wouldn't you?
Pretty remarkable.
Alright, I'll tell you what I would like to do now.
During this coming newscast, at the top of the hour, I would like to solicit some calls from the U.S.
Virgin Islands.
We're heard in the U.S.
Virgin Islands, thankfully.
And we now have two reports.
One, a newspaper report, and the second, a hurried call I got before the program tonight about A Caribbean island about an eruption of a volcano in the Caribbean.
So, what I would ask you to do in the U.S.
Virgin Islands is to begin to ring my first-time caller line, and just keep dialing until you get through.
Dial like mad, and if you have any information at all about what's going on out there in the Caribbean, I may be moved to replay the latest Gordon Michael Scallion interview Because it is so relevant to recent earth movement and, of course, relevant with regard to what he had to say about any possible volcanic action in the Caribbean.
So, some of this is beginning to hit pretty close to home.
That is, this living organism we tromp about on.
Well, there's another argument.
We'll be right back.
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nineteen ninety five and uh... we've got a lot of information coming in right
now about uh...
uh... earth activity i i i got uh... i got a call but just prior to the show about uh... possibly eruption in
the caribbean Montserrat, I believe it is.
And I thought I would invite my listeners in the Caribbean, in the U.S.
Virgin Islands, to try and get through.
So I'm going to hold the line open now for the U.S.
Virgin Islands only.
Only.
Let's see if we can do that.
Everybody else hold off.
Let's see if we can hear from the Caribbean.
The U.S.
Virgin Islands only.
Asking about, uh, possible volcanic, uh, activity.
Not in the Virgin Islands, but in the Caribbean, and I would imagine there would be a lot of news of it there.
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You never know what you'll hear on Coast to Coast AM with George Norridge.
I'm concerned about the divide that's happening in this country right now.
It's almost as if you cannot talk publicly about how you feel about an issue without getting stampeded by someone.
someone who doesn't agree with you and you know what that's dangerous in this
country the luxury of the united states has been our ability to be able to talk
and explain and to take positions without being attacked and ridiculed and
I've never seen it worse than it is today and it's got to change because you
know it's going to take us down the wrong path I just want the truth I want
us to be able to go after an issue whether it's the swine flu or health
insurance.
I just want the truth.
And then from that point, we as Americans can make up our own minds.
Now we take you back to the night of August 23rd, 1995, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Alright, I guess ask and ye shall receive on our first time caller line, um, actually our Virgin Islands line, haha.
You're on the air.
How you doing?
I am okay.
Where are you?
Turn your radio off.
That's number one.
Where are you?
I'm in St.
Thomas, Virgin Islands.
St.
Thomas.
Uh-huh.
Alright, well we're hearing a lot of interesting things right now about Maserat.
Right.
And what are they reporting back there?
Well, so far Maserat is a volcanic island and lately they've been having disturbances and they are moving, they're getting ready, they are at hand and ready if anything I think there's an 80% chance.
An 80% chance?
An 80% chance.
That was the last I heard today at the 5 o'clock near St.
Thomas.
And they were ready at hand to evacuate as necessary.
The people that live there, I think the Montserrat population is about 10,500.
And they're getting assistance from the other neighboring Caribbean islands, Antigua, St.
Kitts, Nevis.
And everybody's at hand, ready and willing to help.
Well, tell me something.
Tell me something.
Have you been following the predictions made by Scallion?
Have you heard any of those on my program?
Not, not, not, not really.
I haven't really been following up, but the last I did hear on our local news station here on WSDA Radio, which you are aired every night, that there is an 80% chance An 80% chance of an eruption.
And I know there's also been some apparent earthquake activity recently on some other very important islands there in the Caribbean.
So, do you folks have the feeling that something's getting ready to pop?
Well, right now, throughout the whole Caribbean, you mean?
Well, no, not necessarily throughout the whole Caribbean, no.
Those particular islands that do have I can't even answer that, because I'm not sure what's going on, you know, nature-wise.
You know, I can't predict what's going on, really.
really was in your total darling for calling us and uh...
filling us in right thank you very much and uh... so there you've got it
from the caribbean and i just got this
Scientists from the University of West Indies, Guadalupe, UK and the US Geological Survey now estimate, here it is, an 80% chance of a possible major eruption.
Evacuees, including those from the capital, remain in northern parts of the island.
Government offices have also now been moved to the same parts.
So, there you have it.
And here you've got I want you to hear this.
We're going to have to break it up, possibly in two parts.
But this is a recent interview that I did with Gordon Michael Scallion.
I want you to hear it.
Where are you?
Where are you, Gordon?
Hello, Gordon?
Yes.
Okay, Gordon Michael Scallion.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Gordon, I've been getting a raft of faxes.
The audience is tremendously concerned.
I just got a fax from the Matrix Institute.
Sum it up.
What's going on?
The third event in my predicted forequake scenario just occurred in South America, in Chile.
The scenario states that there would be forequakes that would start the scenario in May or June.
And it would start it with a quake That would be greater than 7.
Each of the quakes in this scenario will be 7.
The average will probably be 7.5 when it's all done.
The first quake occurred in a Russian island north of the island of Japan that borders on the Sea of Japan.
That was the first event that occurred.
And that occurred on May 27th, and it was a magnitude 7.6.
The scenario predicted was that within weeks rather than months, the second event in the forequake scenario would occur, and that would take it down somewhere in the South Pacific region on July 3rd at 19.50 UTC time.
A magnitude 7.1 occurred in New Zealand.
The next event predicted to occur would be a quake again greater than 7 that would occur within weeks rather than months in South America.
And earlier I had posted warnings for the areas around Chile and of course on Sunday A quake in the magnitude is still being updated, but it exceeds 8 on the magnitude scale.
Oh, it does.
I had heard 7.8.
It's up over 8 now.
It changes, and it may change again.
The latest report that I had was it's been upgraded to an 8.1.
And so much of it depends upon what scales they're using to record these quakes.
And at Matrix Institute, Through the Earth Change Report, we use the magnitude scale to keep everything consistent.
Now, the prediction goes on to say that within weeks, again, rather than months.
And what that means is that up to seven weeks is within weeks.
Once we hit eight weeks, we're really talking about two months.
So my understanding of my prediction is that it would be, again, within weeks up to eight.
There would be a quake, again greater than seven, and that would occur somewhere in the West Coast of America.
Now, it may be a single quake or it may be multiple quakes.
The epicenter of that quake under this particular scenario is unknown.
I do have a long-term running prediction for the West Coast, which has not occurred yet.
The prediction was that there would be three quakes in the Los Angeles area.
We have had three quakes in the general vicinity, each fulfilling the magnitude that I had predicted.
However, the large quake that I have seen is in Southern California, in Palm Springs.
This scenario does not necessarily mean it will be there.
I have different predictions running around similar events.
What I try to do is to provide early warning signs.
And this four quake scenario is just that.
It's an early warning sign.
So, from now until the next seven or eight weeks, I would say we are into a time period where quake activity in the West Coast, which means anywhere from Vancouver, B.C., all the way down into the Baja, the entire West Coast, I would say, in my scenario, is on alert.
Especially with all this heat we've had.
My observations and my visions have indicated that when we have a lot of heat, we tend to have a larger release of quakes.
Well, we have a lot of heat, not just on the West Coast, but all over the country right now.
If this cycle completes with a quake on the West Coast, what does that bode for the next year, say?
If this next quake occurs, and it does fire off and hit, and again, the statistics of all four of these events happening on magnitude, time frame, and epicenter is staggering.
So I don't claim to always get them the first scenario.
Of course, as you know, we did predict all four of them.
It doesn't mean this one will go all the way.
So I want to caution on that.
I have not seen a vision that says it's assured that this West Coast It's just a warning sign.
If it does occur, what it indicates, based on 14 years of predictions about the West Coast, is that we have entered that time frame of unprecedented release of quakes, and that in 96 and 97, we will literally fracture California.
So we have to watch this carefully.
Now, if we have a blessing and nothing happens on the West Coast, Alright, so there it is.
I guess, how do you feel about this?
So each time the cycle runs, the cracks get bigger and the release of energy becomes stronger.
So we have another window, the third window, which would be December and then January.
Alright, so there it is.
I guess, how do you feel about this?
When you see what you have predicted begin to come true, it must stand the hair on the
back of your neck up too.
Usually what happens is that when there's a large quake that I predicted, or in the
case of the hurricanes, which I have predicted that may be unfolding right now, is that I'm
In this case, we were so exhausted, physically and mentally exhausted, we took a couple days to go up to the Cape area.
And I was away.
I just arrived, in fact.
And when I did, they immediately tracked me down, my staff, and said, Your third event just happened and it was like someone had punched me right in the stomach.
I thought so.
And I just turned to my wife, Cynthia, and I said, we've got to cut this short and get back.
I said, I've got to see what else we can do here.
The least we can do is to clarify what was said.
So we immediately came back and notified two various internet accessors and media services, at least clarifying.
I don't have any further visions or information.
And I've already been told through my visions that I won't.
From this point forward, it's the unfoldment whereby in the late 70s and the 80s, it was always the possibility that some of these things could change based on a lot of things, mostly how we lived our lives.
And as of March of this year, my visions and the guidance has been that they now start to unfold. So
95, 96 are going to be significant years. I mean, one of the things we were told to watch for
is watch for temperatures to exceed 125 degrees. And in August, we're going to have more of that
kind of temperature, really high stuff.
And it's that those are all preludes to a larger release of energy.
All right, an addendum.
What's going on near Martinique?
Something, some sort of volcanic activity?
Yes, I wanted everybody to know that.
Perhaps the greatest seer of all times, in our times, modern times, was Edgar Cayce.
And one of his predictions was that he talked about the Pele, which is a volcano that is not active, But had been, at the turn of the century, on the island of Martinique.
And he said to watch for that becoming active.
I've had visions that talked about Vesuvius, Etna, and a series of islands around Martinique, all being connected underneath the ground with lava vents.
In other words, the lava flows and the tunnels connect these things together.
And my visions have said that if any of these become active in a circle, That we have to watch out.
And that indeed, if we get two of them active, two different points, such as Etna and Pele or Vesuvius and Pele or Vesuvius and Etna, that it was a prelude to massive Earth changes that would occur.
And we have just been notified, we've been watching it carefully, but the island north And south of Martinique.
They're really small islands.
Both these islands on either side have volcanically come to bear.
In other words, the volcanoes that were dormant no longer are dormant.
They're both active.
Which would indicate to me that the whole structure, the magma structure under these islands is all active.
And that Pele needs to be watched very, very carefully.
My visions have indicated that when If Pele or Vesuvius, either one, become active, then literally within days we start to see major Earth movements.
Now, so far we have no activity on Vesuvius and we have nothing on Pele.
But the islands north and south of them are active.
Extremely so.
And we're also having all kinds of other phenomena in the world that's going on now.
85% of Alaska is literally melting.
And we have temperatures in the Pacific that have just risen so high Um, and they don't know why my long-running scenario has been that that would happen, and it's due to undersea volcanism.
So what we're seeing now is, in key points of the world, is there's great magma movement forcing itself to the surface, and that in turn will trigger and release quakes.
that we can watch these things very carefully and if they start to unfold
we have a a form of an early warning sign just like
with the hurricane alpha florida we can we can we can do things we can get bottled water we can
watch it uh...
we can we can at least be prepared on a mental and a spiritual level
at the physical level we're going to have to make individual decisions about what to do
about where we are gordon uh... i know you've got the national press
descending on you right now and you've got to go
I appreciate the update.
Let's stay very close.
Okay.
All right?
My best to everyone.
Take care.
Okay.
Blessings.
Bye.
Gordon Michael Scallion.
And there you've got it.
Now, going again to the Caribbean, I believe.
You're on the air.
Good morning.
Where are you calling from, please?
Good morning.
Hi.
Turn your radio off, sir.
Okay, uh... Good morning.
Yes, good morning.
I'm calling from St.
Thomas.
Yes.
Yes, they started, they say yesterday that the Capitol is Flamon.
They have to move people from Flamon and in the area of Flamon.
And they want to close the radio station and try to get moving to another location to open it.
And also my theory with what a man say about the weather.
I believe that the weather have a lot to do with the volcano acting up.
Because these past summer months have really been hot.
Hot, hot weather.
Hot, yes.
Yes, I might erase that.
If it rains, like how we have three storms right now in the water, I think if enough rain comes, it'll cool it down, and the volcanic won't erupt again.
All right, thank you very, very much for the call.
There's the U.S.
Virgin Islands again.
So, that's what's going on, and it seemed to me that what Mr. Scallion had to say was particularly relevant.
Accept it, or reject it as you will, that's up to all of you.
But that is the latest news.
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 23, 1995.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM, from August 23rd, 1995.
Good morning, everybody.
We will now open all lines to everybody as normal.
First-time callers to the program, no matter where you are.
Anybody out there have any psychic hairs standing up?
This morning, west of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hello, Mr. Bell.
Hello.
Terry from Las Vegas.
Yes, Terry.
How are you doing?
Fine.
Well, I was compelled to call you.
I was wanting to talk a little bit about the religious issue and the quickening.
All right.
How are you managing to hear us?
We're not on yet in Las Vegas.
Pardon me?
I was wondering how you're managing to hear us.
We're not on yet in Las Vegas.
Well, I borrowed this radio from my friend that is getting a signal.
I don't know how he's getting it, but...
We're getting it.
Good.
He was originally from the Phoenix area.
I see.
Anyway, what I wanted to talk about was mainly the other night when I was listening to that liberal fellow from California.
Oh yes, Charlie.
Yes, and he mentioned the fact that apparently he's really against religion or something, I don't know.
Avidly.
Pardon me?
Avidly, I said.
And apparently he doesn't really take any stock in the quickening, which I do.
I may not be calling it the quickening, but calling it something similar to it in what they refer to as the last days.
One interesting thing that a pastor of mine has brought to my attention, one thing real quick, is I'm an entertainer in Las Vegas and recently a born-again Christian.
Uh-huh.
And my pastor has brought to the fact that I've been really studying the book of Revelations and the last days and the times and so on and so forth.
And he brought this one point towards me when I was asking him, well, what is the demise of the United States, you know, mentioning in here?
And he says, you know, one thing is mentioned in the Bible about the United States or what we perceive to be the United States is the land Well, I appreciate your call, sir.
he's a bit of that represents the people and that is the only mentioned
of the united states during the last day which uh... is perceived by a lot of people
that the united states isn't going to be around when all the
turmoil really start happening well i i appreciate your calls are right
i don't want to be so and uh... i don't want to see the demise of this country
and i imagine most of you don't either The science probably are not really good
Thank you.
The destination is not absolute, but the signs, along the way here, along the road, are not, uh, not very good presently, I would say that.
On our first time caller line, you're on the air.
Uh, good morning, Art Baker, San Diego, uh, listening on Kogo Country.
On the road here, I'll make it quick.
Okay.
Enjoy your show immensely.
Thank you.
Uh, just one quick question and I'll, and I'll let you go.
Have, I, I wonder how come you have trouble admitting you're wrong all the time?
Well, give me an example.
Not anything in specific, but whenever somebody tries to call and call you on something, you can't admit you're wrong, ever.
I mean, you'll dig your way out of it any way possible.
But other than that, I love your show.
I just like to hear a little bit more.
Well, I appreciate the criticism, but I would imagine that you should be able to come up with at least one example.
A couple of minutes ago, a guy called and said something about Uh, the liver thing.
And granted, you went back to the point what you were actually stating, but... But sir, I was not wrong.
My presentation of that had absolutely nothing to do with the celebrity aspect of it.
It had to do with...
Um, as I, I thought I stated correctly the first time and then restated again, uh, simply whether, um, alcohol should be treated as tobacco is treated legislatively.
Uh, that's all I said.
I agree.
I agree with you there.
And I, and I guess it would be wrong of me.
I can't point specifically anything, but I've heard you sometimes and it's like, you know, as much as I enjoy your show, I'd like to hear you admit like, you know, you got me once in a while.
You follow?
Um, well, when, okay, um, again, I would, I would plead, do you have, I'm giving you time to think here, give me another example.
Um, since I'm on the mobile, I don't want to waste good air time, I'll just, when I think of an example, I'll call ya.
Alright, I'll look forward to that, thank you.
I don't mind admitting I'm wrong.
I've been wrong lots of times.
I've been on the air for, you know, 11 years.
And there have been a lot of times people have called and have said this or that, and I've said, you're out your mind.
You're out your mind!
And it turned out I was wrong, and I've said I'm, I'm wrong.
Um, and so, um, I don't mind the criticism.
Uh, come ahead.
I've been wrong before.
I try to admit it when it's obvious I'm wrong.
Uh, or if I don't think I'm wrong, then I'm not going to admit it.
I'm going to sit here and argue.
You know, that's what I do.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Yes, sir.
This is Aaron from Elk Grove, California.
Hello, Aaron.
Hey, great.
Hey, uh, I just wanted to make a comment to you.
I've been trying to get through it for a while.
Yes, sir.
And, uh, on your, uh, newsletter, I'm just kind of curious if it's at all conceivable to put in braille for those people.
I mean, I'm sure the sightless people want to literally get their hands on it.
Alright, I've already talked to the network about this and I think, no, it is not conceivable to put it in braille.
But what we are going to do is to issue an audio tape version of the newsletter.
Okay, well, there you go.
In other words, we're in the broadcast business, so it would not be too difficult for us to do that, and I brought it up after a couple of people called, and the network said they're willing to do it, so it's coming.
There you go.
Okay?
Great, thank you.
Thank you, and I understand there are a lot of People out there who could use something like that, and it really is not too terribly difficult for us.
We're in the broadcast business.
We're in the tape duplication business, so we're kind of all set up to do it, and I think we'll be announcing that soon.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello?
Goodbye.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air, good morning.
Yes, Art Bell, this is Bob from Washington.
Hi, Bob.
Moses Blake, I'm listening to you on KBSN.
You bet.
Yeah, you were speaking earlier about spontaneous healing, regeneration, whatever that was.
Yes.
And you were asking if perhaps, no, Lisa, turn that down, you were asking if perhaps if it was God or something interior, not exterior.
Well, I believe God made man, and he made man's mind, and God gave us the clues to how to use that mind, and he said if we had faith that we would be healed.
You know, I think I share your view precisely now.
I didn't want to say it, but I'm saying it.
It kind of goes together with my theory of creation and evolution, and I believe that they go together.
And I believe that, as you pointed out, God as our creator created our mind, and we don't even begin to understand, or maybe we could say we've scratched the surface of our understanding of the brain, and so the two easily go together.
Right, and we cannot fully comprehend God either, and as the creator of our mind, You know, et cetera, et cetera.
And I had one more comment, but I'm nervous.
I'm on radio, so I can't remember it.
Do it more frequently.
You'll be less nervous.
Thank you, sir.
All right.
Take care.
You too.
That's the way it works.
You know, you probably some people are not.
They're just not nervous.
First time they come on the radio.
I'm nervous.
I mean, if that helps you, a lot of times I'm nervous.
If I begin thinking about all the people out there, I get terribly nervous, and then everything goes to hell in a handbasket.
So I don't.
I just don't.
I don't think about it.
I block it out of my mind.
and uh... you might try the very same thing you'll find that getting on the
air a few times will cure it you're listening to our bills somewhere in time on premier
radio networks Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 23rd, 1995.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Dr. Democrat.
Well, good morning, Ark.
Good morning.
I want to talk about Scallion and Clinton.
First Scallion.
Alright.
The reason this guy, let me explain why he has... Who do you regard as having the greater credibility?
Clinton.
And I'll explain that.
Scallion, the reason he has such accuracy in his predictions is very simple.
He can't lose.
He provides cover for every prediction he has.
Now, let's take a look at the West Coast prediction from Vancouver to Baja.
Yes.
He says in the next seven weeks, we're on alert.
That would be more like the next five weeks or six.
Right, right.
But then he goes on and says if it doesn't happen, then we're going to go into another cycle in December and January.
And he said, though, he did pin it down and say it will complete before the year 1995 is out.
No, but he says we're in another window of opportunity clear through January, I believe.
But anyhow, if you listen to his tapes, and I've been listening to this Onionhead, and the thing of it is, he always provides cover because when something goes wrong, it doesn't go against his record.
But when something goes right, he says, see, I told you so.
Now, Mr. Clinton, ever since Mr. Clinton came into office, everything that's supposed to be up is up.
Everything that's supposed to be down is down.
I don't care what issue you go through.
The deficit is down.
It's supposed to be down.
The trade deficit is down.
It's supposed to be down.
Exports are up.
They're supposed to be up.
The standard of living, according to the latest prediction, is supposed to go up next year because inflation is supposed to come in at 3% while the average increase in wages is supposed to be over 4%.
So that means the standard of living is going to go up at least 1% for most people.
Wait a minute now, Doc.
Why don't you confine yourself to what is up, rather than what might be predicted to be up?
SAT scores are up on a national level.
They're at the highest rate since, I guess, two decades, according to the wire service.
So, Clinton said he was the education president.
He promised that in 92, and that's one promise he has delivered.
I mean, the results are right there.
So, uh, everything you talk about, show me what's, uh, show me what's worse since Clinton came into office.
I can't think of anything.
And this guy deserves to be, uh, re-elected.
And that's why he's ahead in every poll, Art.
I don't care what poll.
If you match him one-on-one against anybody, he wins.
If you match a three-way race, a four-way race, there's only one scenario that he might lose, and that's if Jesse Jackson gets in the race.
That's right.
He only loses by one point to go at that, at that, uh, factor.
Alright, thanks.
Well, you know, about the last part, he really is correct.
Like it or not, believe it or not, all of the latest polls show that Bill Clinton will beat Bob Dole substantially, I might add, in a head-on race.
I'm sure you've seen it.
Clinton will whop Dole.
Straight out, and by quite a bit.
Now, of course, you know, what does a poll mean right now?
And you don't know until you get into a campaign what really is going on.
However, You should hear these polls as you would hear the rattle of a snake warning you that you're about to be bitten and come down with a severe illness that's going to last at least another four long, hard-to-bear years.
I do not underestimate Bill Clinton.
I do not underestimate the capacity of the American people to again be taken in by somebody who will tell people exactly what they want to hear.
In other words, I don't think Bill Clinton is going to be a pushover at all in the election.
I don't think Bob Dole can beat Bill Clinton.
I don't think any of the other candidates, including Pat Buchanan, can beat Bill Clinton.
I speak of presently announced candidates.
I think that Phil Graham was not so much strong in the Iowa poll as Bob Dole was weak.
I'm frankly disenchanted entirely with the presidential possibilities for a race at this point.
And if you want to know, the person I think that would give Clinton a run for his money It's the Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich.
Think what you will of him.
The man is extremely intelligent.
Very fast on his feet.
Would put on a campaign that wouldn't take any crapola from the Clinton campaign, and there's going to be a lot of that chucked.
Um, and could answer everything quickly and efficiently, and would run a good campaign.
That's my view.
I know you may hate his guts, or you may not agree with me, or you may think somebody else is a better candidate.
That's my pragmatic look at it.
I don't think anybody else that I can imagine right now, that is presently even considering running, Would have the chance against Clinton that Newt Gingrich would have.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Good morning, Art.
Hi.
I would like to state my opinion about Gordon Michael Scalia.
Sure.
Where are you, by the way?
I'm calling from Denver, Colorado, via KFAB Omaha.
Omaha.
Yes, sir.
First of all, in my high school studies, we had basic Biology, zoology, and geology.
And if a person would have a basic knowledge of how formations are formed, different cataclysmic fissures underneath the ground, they would come up with the conclusion that the Earth is indeed going through a climactic and traumatic period right now.
I believe it is.
I think you might get angry at this.
I think Gordon Michael Scallion is perpetrating a fraud on the American public.
No, I don't get angry at that.
Look, you're entitled to your opinion of him, as is everybody else.
He's been making predictions on the record, on the record, for a decade now.
Well, I'm sure scientists, if they have basic knowledge, like what I just described, will come up with the same conclusions.
But sir, they have not.
He has.
That part of it is indisputable.
Now, you can say he's full of bunk, and I have no problem with that.
But on the other hand, you ought to look into his percentage of success.
Well, once again, I would like to have the scientific, maybe you should challenge the scientific community to come up with explanations on what's going on, and I don't hear their voices.
I do, I absolutely do, and I hereby do so.
Okay, well I appreciate that, but I haven't heard that on your show.
Alright, well then hear it now.
I hereby absolutely, absolutely challenge anybody out there to dispute his record thus far, or to match it using some sort of scientific basis.
Now, I have no idea, and I'll say it again, whether to say Gordon Michael Scallion is the real thing.
I'm only giving you my opinion.
I've had very extensive private conversations with Scallion, And, um, his concerns, his interests, his, uh, intensity, in person, in private, is no different than you just heard in that interview.
No different.
When he gets me online privately, and we've talked for hours, We don't talk about selling his newsletter or any of the rest of it.
His center, his interest, his focus are his visions.
And that's it.
That's it.
And as a matter of fact, I talked to the Institute the other day and he is presently tuckered out big time.
Totally tired.
Psychically wasted.
And it's from what's coming, what he's seen, and all the rest of it.
So, you heard what he had to say, and as I said at the termination of that interview, you may and are welcome to conclude whatever you wish from it.
Take the good parts, reject the bad parts, put your head in the sand, say he's a fool, say whatever you want.
I simply presented it for your Your edification based on recent events.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Good evening, Mr. Bell.
Hello.
Boy, I'll bet Doc Democrat would like to hit it three nights in a row like this.
Say, one thing about the O.J.
trial.
They allege that O.J.
was wearing gloves.
Yes.
They also allege, the prosecution that is, allege that O.J.
cut his hand.
Now, if he was wearing those gloves, where's the corresponding cut on the gloves to match the cut on his hand?
Not been explained yet.
That is sort of a little mystery.
I watch the trial daily.
I think the prosecution is in gigantic trouble.
I think they're in perhaps an unrecoverable situation, and if these tapes are played, And then Mark Furman gets on the stand and takes the Fifth Amendment.
I think that is the ballgame.
I mean, that's it.
He's not going to be a hung jury.
I think he's going to walk.
Well, I've been paying a lot of attention to it, and I just don't think that the prosecution did the homework very well on this thing.
I think they've blown it, and I think it's their own fault.
You know what?
I really don't.
I lay the blame more on the LAPD than I do on the talent or the lack of it of the prosecution.
Marsha Clark, much as I bitch about her, is actually a damn effective prosecutor.
She's very, very good at what she does.
It's just that she's been ambushed.
In some cases, by her own witnesses.
Mark Furman being the latest.
I agree with you, but I think that the research wasn't done naturally.
That should have been done by the... Well, I don't think Mark Furman told them about the tapes, do you?
Nope.
So, you know, minus the tapes, you've got to remember that Furman testimony was very damning.
I mean, he was, everybody thought, oh, he's going to be a bad witness, but he was a great witness.
Now, what's going to happen when this great witness goes on the stand, asked if he lied, and he says, I'm I'm going to have to take the fifth on that one.
How's that going to affect the jury?
we'll be right back Welcome to the World of Music!
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You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
Art Valley somewhere in time.
The line featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 23, 1995.
Good morning, everybody.
Welcome to the largest live overnight talk show in America.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
It's good to be here.
Retrenching just a little bit and very quickly, I hope.
We've got word this morning that scientists from the University of the West Indies, Guadalupe, United Kingdom, and the U.S.
Geological Survey, that's quite a group, now estimate an 80% chance of a major volcanic eruption at Montserrat in the Caribbean.
We talked to a number of people in the Caribbean, a couple of people here, This last hour, in addition to replaying the Gordon Michael Scallion interview with regard to the Caribbean.
And that should have, really should have stood a few psychic hairs up out there.
And we're watching it carefully.
Big stories of the day running that Saddam Hussein had his biological and germ warfare weapons locked and loaded.
13,000 gallons of anthrax.
130,000 gallons of botulism.
And the only reason he didn't use them was because George Bush said he would respond with nuclear weapons.
Again, proving nukes are great deterrents.
Only trouble is... What happens when the engineer gets the high-grade stuff that he's been trying to get his hands on?
The engineer, you know the engineer?
That's what they call him in Israel.
Or somebody like him.
God help us, Senator Lugar said entire square miles of U.S.
cities will vaporize.
And I don't doubt that.
And I said earlier, you know, our generation did the old duck and cover thing under the desk, remember?
And we worried about the big one.
I think our sons, our daughters will have to worry about, well, I don't want to say the little ones, but the possibility of nuclear terrorism.
No question about it.
O.J.
Simpson.
Today, one of the world's foremost forensic scientists put another hard foot into the prosecution's single killer case.
They've got more shoe prints there.
They don't match the shoes the prosecution said O.J.
was wearing.
So who else was there?
You know, it seems to me as though the defense has saved the best for last.
I'm sorry, but I think they're clobbering the prosecution right now and I say this still thinking, wavering albeit a little bit, but thinking that O.J.
Simpson is guilty, but God, they're putting on a good case.
And then the Furman tapes.
It just gets worse and worse and worse.
You know, it is the leak of the day in the Furman tapes.
And the latest leak involves Furman saying things like, quote, referring to something called, please, something called, what are they anyway?
I don't know what you'd call them, parties.
After they kill a suspect, he said allegedly, quote, it's like the end of a football game where you just won the championship and you're on the real high, you know, you're you're dominant, you're powerful, you're unbeatable, end quote.
Furman's new criminal lawyer says if he's called back to the stand, he may take the fifth.
Now, what do you suppose a jury that has not heard all these leaks After hearing there are bloody footprints that are not his, hear the tapes, then hear Furman take the fifth.
What is that jury going to think?
Windows 95 is now out.
This is a major event in the computer world.
Now, I wonder how many of you have run right out and bought Windows 95.
I'll tell you, I've got it here.
And I have been chickened to load it.
I've actually started to load it into my computer.
I started down the trail of loading Windows 95.
And I cancelled.
I chickened out.
I wonder about so many things.
I wonder, will my DOS programs all run in Windows 95?
Or will I lose something?
I wonder, will I still retain my old DOS?
Do I want to retain my old DOS?
I wonder whether I will like the new Windows setup?
I wonder so many things, that I'm going to wait until some of you guinea pigs out there load her in, and I'll bet you by now, A lot of people went out and bought it at midnight, and by now a lot of you have got Windows 95 loaded in.
Now, are you happy campers?
Or are you... I've got so much in my computer.
My computer, you know, has become so important to what I do, that I just... I'm scared to take a chance.
I admit it.
I'm scared.
Now, I'm going to do it.
But I'm going to do it after I hear from a number of you who call and say, Art, you know, I just put Windows 95 in.
God, it's the best thing that's ever happened.
I love it.
Everything runs great.
I had all these programs I can use.
No problem.
And when I hear that, then I'll go back there and reload it again.
What I really need is a copy of Windows 95 on 3.5 so I can get it into my laptop as well.
So anyway, I'm sitting, I'm waiting, I'm worrying, thinking, and I'm waiting to hear from all of you.
Those of you that are in the process right now, right this very moment of loading Windows 95, by all means call up and assure me.
Or tell me I was right to wait.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi.
I had a comment for Charlie, I guess his name is, the person in California?
Yes.
excellent uh... wanted to add a comment for charlie i guess payment
the person in california yes okay
he seems to take will it take religion and we would like to go into a scientific
more scientific perspective and i want to add
might suggest something for him as being too kind to me doesn't do that he
derides religion sir and those who practice it he derides them
really yes we have a well wanted to suggest uh... couple ideas for him that uh... he
wanted to approach something in the scientific term
And that might lead him into some more spiritual terms, and that would be reading some books by the name of Deepak Chopra.
Well, trying to lead Charlie to something spiritual, sir, is like trying to get a horse to eat steel rods.
So, you know, I appreciate the suggestion, but I don't think he's going to add that immediately to his reading list.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello?
Hi.
Yes?
This is Porter in Wyoming.
Wyoming?
Yes.
Where in Wyoming are you?
Green River.
Green River?
Yes, sir.
Are you listening on KUGR?
Yes, I am.
Okay, very good.
Thank you.
I've seen something on the TV.
It said, Herman's friends say he's not racist, right?
Yeah.
And I thought that he moved to a white supremacy neighborhood.
Well, he moved to Idaho.
You know, I really think it's a little unfair that Idaho gets tagged as a white supremacist Yeah, you're probably right.
Right.
or even white isolated white uh... separatist uh... there are some there but that is not all i do believe is and uh...
it's gonna be a wrap yeah you're probably right
but now that's right look the police union in l a just said they're going to stand by for a minute
but what would you expect well i think that
they're probably right to it
Thursday night.
I don't know.
This is just... whatever.
Well, I don't know.
That's... alright, thank you.
It's quite a conclusion to make, and I don't make that.
There are some racist cops.
There are a lot of cops who have a natural prejudice based on What they do every day, a natural prejudice.
I'm going to say this again.
And in some cases, maybe, in Mark Furman's, maybe not, it crosses a line from a natural prejudice based on what they do every day to real racism.
In other words, what is real racism?
It is an absolute hatred based on nothing more than a person's skin color.
Or religion, or whatever.
But generally, we know what we're talking about here, black people.
So when it crosses that line, then you've got self-bad cop.
And how they keep from crossing that line amazes me.
If you understood the pressure they're under every day, it is amazing to me there are not more bad cops than there are.
Though that is kind of a contentious issue.
How many are there?
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Good morning, Mark.
Good morning.
This is the luck of the draw.
I've been on redial.
Oh, where are you?
I'm in Phoenix.
My name is Ann.
Yes, Ann.
And I've called you once before concerning Shannon Faulkner and all of that.
Ah, yes.
But I couldn't resist tonight because you mentioned something about if they find the Ark, That will have such an impact.
I believe so, yes.
And I'll tell you why I don't.
Because in the myths from the American Indians and the Sumerian epic of Gilgamesh, specifically, they also speak about a flood and a righteous family that was saved because they built some sort of a vessel.
Yes.
According to the American Indians, it was a hollow reed.
Yes.
But according to the ethic of Gilgamesh, it was another boat.
Yes.
And if we have these other myths, Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on it.
Well, I do agree with that, but I wasn't necessarily suggesting it would have a great effect just on Christians, ma'am.
It will have an effect on the world.
In other words, wherever you draw Your belief in that occurrence from, if it is substantiated, then a lot of people are going to return to faiths, not necessarily Christianity.
Any faith.
Belief in whatever creator you happen to believe in.
Because, after all, it would just about take a creator to flood the entire world, save animals two by two onto a great ship that ended up on Mount Ararat.
No, I think it would put a lot of people in deep thought.
All right, well, we shall see.
We shall see, indeed.
Here's the facts on the subject.
I, too, am excited about the prospect of scientists finally being able to investigate Noah's Ark.
I believe they have known the approximate location for quite some time, but there's always been some obstacle in the way of preventing investigation.
The quickening, you refer to, is not a secret to biblical scholars, and God may allow events concerning the Ark to proceed this time.
Like you, Art, I cannot accept something in my heart that I cannot accept with my mind.
That's why Christianity is unique compared to other religions.
Here we go.
The Ark will only be another piece of evidence to substantiate that faith.
That argues with what the lady just said.
I know end time prophecy fascinates you and it puzzles me why you refuse to have men who are experts in biblical prophecy on your program.
Men like Hal Lindsey.
I don't refuse to have him.
Josh McDowell or just a couple come to mind.
And no Art, you do not hear the evidence or this type of apologetics in every church or on radio seven days a week.
Your audience, pro and con, would enjoy another unique twist to the Kingdom of Nigh.
Well, I guess I am familiar with biblical prophecy regarding end times, and I think that most of you who are Christians also are.
So I don't feel a need, or am I driven, to in effect have a preacher here.
Somebody who would sort of give us a refresher course on what the Bible says about the end times.
So there you are.
Nevertheless, I'm not closed to having somebody like Hal Linzeon.
It could easily occur.
Now we take you back to the night of August 23rd, 1995 on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Um, Art Bell, your recent interview with Patrick Combs, the gentleman who cashed the non-negotiable junk mail check, was most interesting.
He sounds like someone who enjoys testing the establishment as much as I do.
Listen to this.
Once, when I stepped out of the shower without my glasses, I noticed what appeared to be a postage stamp on the bathroom floor.
Being the frugal person that I am, I put it in my desk drawer for safekeeping.
Several days later, wishing to mail a letter, I discovered that what I had put in the drawer was not a stamp at all, but rather a label that apparently had come loose from a pair of my Fruit of the Loom briefs.
Not having a real stamp, I noticed how much this label resembled a commemorative postage stamp, in size and appearance so.
You got it folks, he glued it to the corner of the envelope.
Recalling all the times when the Postal Service had delivered other people's mail to my house, I figured they wouldn't know the difference between a postage stamp and an underwear label.
So, in the mail it went.
And I'm proud to report that thus far, black helicopters and swarms of federal agents have not surrounded my house in retaliation for the crime I committed.
Also, the letter never came back.
Marked return to center, or postage due, which proves the postal service is as efficient as ever.
What an ingenious way to entice people to buy a particular brand of underwear.
Putting postmaster approved labels in your shorts.
Art, this experience has convinced me the quickening you've been warning us about is really going to happen and apparently already well underway in the postal service.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello?
Yes.
Yes.
Is that our bell?
Hmm, let me check.
Yes, it appears to be.
And, oh, okay.
Let me turn off my radio.
By all means.
And this is our bell.
I'm on the air right now?
I sure hope so.
Otherwise, we're in trouble.
Okay.
This is the first time I've ever called.
Oh.
I have a comment about the, um, Well, let's see, where are you?
I'm in Seattle.
In Seattle.
Seattle, Washington.
Listening to KOMO.
Yes.
And you had a comment about something that you have now forgotten.
No, I remember.
Well, it's really interesting because I'm a liberal black guy.
I always listen to your station.
And I always listen to your show.
And I just wanted to make a comment about Louis Farrakhan and also... Oh, okay.
Let me tell you.
Let me tell you.
I am pursuing that with all vigor.
I spoke with Minister Keith X day before yesterday.
I faxed them all the information.
And I just wanted to clarify something.
A little while back you had a show.
pursuing interview with me for with louis farrakhan uh... in the very near future so it is in the works i did
my part it's up to them now
and i just want to clarify something a little while back you had a show
it was about uh...
it was about the the race issue of the united states Yes, I recall.
And in regards to that, I just wanted to make a distinction between Louis Farrakhan and Jesse Jackson from my political perspective.
All right.
It follows that Jesse Jackson is a liberal, but then in order for a black to be a conservative, I think a conservative black politically is different than a white to be a conservative.
So I would say that... Alright, stop there.
How?
How is a conservative black different than a conservative white?
I'll say it right now.
Because Louis Farrakhan represents a conservative black view, which is based on self-reliance And not blaming white people and the white power structure, whatever that is, you know, on the problems of black America and taking all the responsibility upon themselves.
Well, I think you may be half right.
Now, I'm willing to suspend my opinion until I interview him.
In other words, you're certainly right about his Preaching blacks taking responsibility for themselves.
You're right about that.
But I'm not sure you're right that he doesn't blame whites.
He's done some pretty big blame the whites.
But just to end up, a black conservative that's a conservative like you, and conservative like the conservative wing of whatever the Republican Party is, It's just a puppet that's, because my brother's conservative and he's black, it's just a puppet that's serving the existing power structure, I guess, but isn't going to get anything out of it himself or for his people.
And so to me, there's an old joke about when the house catches on fire, all the field slaves are out in the field going really, really slow.
And then the house negro, which I will use the N word, the house negro.
Look, sir, hold it.
We're out of time at the bottom of the hour.
I want you to hold on.
Okay.
All right, stay where you are.
We'll come back to you after the break.
We have a couple of questions.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 23, 1995.
This is a presentation of the Coast to Coast AM concert series.
♪♪♪ Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight's program originally aired August 23, 1995.
From the high desert to the nation, here we are again.
Hi, everybody.
It is a beautiful, warm, star-studded night in the desert.
Absolutely beautiful out here.
As a matter of fact, when I get off the air at about 4 o'clock, it's a good time to go out and take a walk.
Oh, it is beautiful.
West of the Rockies, you're back on the air again, sir.
I was curious, before you go on, as you described yourself, a black liberal, why are you a listener to my program?
Just curious.
Okay, I want to get back on my subject.
The reason why is because I'm really interested in the conservative movement, you know, because I look at it as a threat, and then someone like you Who's just like Reagan, who's conservative, but then you're nice about it.
You know, the same way Reagan was.
You're not mean-spirited or anything, and your arguments are good and everything, and I like to, you know, see different views, and there's parts of the conservative agenda that make sense.
That's a fair answer.
All right, back to what you were saying.
My story is, the Mathers' house catches on fire on the plantation, and the field Negroes are out in the field, slowing around to the water buckets, and the house Negro, which is what, a black Conservative person is running around the house saying, NASA, our house is burning.
And that's the fallacy of trying to be a black conservative and not either being of the philosophy somewhere around Farrakhan or of Jesse Jackson.
And I'm somewhere in between.
And the reason why I think Farrakhan makes some of the inflammatory statements he does And I'll get in trouble for doing this with a lot of Muslims.
It's because I think most political leaders say things that they know in their hearts aren't true to rally support.
And I think a lot of the anti-Jewish things he says is because he's getting money from some of the people in the Middle East.
And so, of course, he has to follow that line.
Well, I'll tell you, I sure would love to have you on if I can get him on.
Well, yeah, it would be great.
I would enjoy that.
All right, sir.
I've got to run.
That was a good call.
My attitude about Louis Farrakhan is sort of a dual attitude.
I'm repulsed by a lot of what he said, and I'm attracted intellectually to a lot of what he said.
Certainly not the anti-Semitic kind of stuff.
But I'm intellectually stimulated by what he said with regard to blacks.
As his caller just said, he might be thought of as a black conservative in a way.
He does preach self-reliance very heavily.
He's got a lot of very fascinating things to say.
So we'll see.
We'll see.
He's just somebody on my list of people that I would like to interview.
Now we take you back to the night of August 23rd, 1995, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
♪♪♪ Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hi Art, this is Ed and Reno.
Hello Ed.
I'm a geology grad student and I just wanted to comment on that Gordon Michael um... Scallion?
Um, he's making some good guesses.
Okay.
And, uh, what he's done is just picked some large areas where earthquakes occur frequently of that magnitude, and probably just the statistics have worked out that he's lucked out so far.
Well, that may be, but over a period of, say, 10 years, his accuracy rating is 86 or 87 percent, something like that.
And I, you know, you can say good guesses, and I've thought about that, and sure, you can predict things are going to occur in the Ring of Fire, and they definitely will.
But wait a minute now, let me finish.
Then you can go.
When you predict the magnitude, the geographic location, and the time, and you do it again and again and again, Well, I would think that if you were just making good guesses, you might do, like you do in Las Vegas, a little better than 50% if luck is on your side, but not up in the 80s.
Okay.
Yeah, I mean, that's quite a valid point, but the question is whether a prediction in such a large area is really worth studying, or is it valid?
I don't know.
I don't know.
But as far as scientific efforts, I believe some of the big agencies in the geology have a study going on in Parkfield, California.
That's right.
And I think one of their forecast windows is that an earthquake could occur any time starting back in July.
Well, they missed a couple predictions in Parkfield, I believe.
Right.
They have.
budding science and hopefully they'll get better with it.
Hopefully.
All right, thank you.
Art, today during a newscast on the same station that Mike Reagan comes on, whatever that is, this is from Phoenix, it was announced the old volcano at Mammoth Lake was giving off poison gas and that they had closed the area to tourists.
Did you hear about it?
In view of the volcanic action you're talking about in the Atlantic, And the 4-plus earthquake in central Japan today.
These are certainly quickening things, Elaine.
There was also a shaker, a small one, I believe, near Santa Rosa.
There's just been a lot of it going on.
There's been a whole lot of it going on, so... I don't even... Look.
A lot of people try to say, well, Art's talking from a religious point of view.
No, I'm not.
I'm really not.
And I'm not ascribing this to a religious occurrence that is ahead, or a scientific one, or anything else.
I refuse to do that.
I'm simply noting for you as a talk show host who's been covering this and looking at it and monitoring it very carefully that it is going on.
I'll leave the conclusions about where it's leading and where it's from to all of you.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
It's Charlie, a liberal in California.
First of all, you have some religious guy calling.
You know something?
Here's what religious people do not understand.
They try to combine religion and science.
They're two completely different topics.
How do you know that?
Because religion teaches one, or attempts to teach one, how to live one's life.
Science deals with investigating the physical world.
They're two totally different things.
No, they're not.
Well, I'll give you an example.
The guy who wrote Genesis, when he said the Earth and the Universe was created in six days, Could not have possibly have known that the sun is a second generation star, and that the universe probably existed 10 billion years before the sun did.
Well, how do we know what a day meant to God?
Well, you can rationalize that all you want.
I remember arguing with one guy.
He was talking about how this guy, I guess, fit all the animals of the earth on an ark.
Even though I explained to him that it would be physically impossible, first of all, to collect all the animals and put them on the ark.
And if you go to San Diego Zoo, for example, you look at all those animals.
They don't even represent a small percentage of the animals on the planet.
And he simply said, well, God shrunk them down to size.
I said, well, you'd have to go all over the earth to collect all these animals.
He said, no, God made them all come to one location.
Little bitty elephants, little bitty giraffes, and little bitty dinosaurs.
You could use that argument for anything.
But the thing is, rather than do that, why not just separate the two?
Why combine the two?
That's what religious people do.
That's wrong.
It's like these people calling in saying, oh well.
Because the two are not always mutually exclusive, Charles.
They're simply not.
A lot of science supports what religion has said and vice versa.
The people who wrote the Bible had very limited knowledge, even if they were scientists back then.
You're talking about 2,000 years ago.
There's things that they simply did not understand.
It doesn't mean the Bible is bad literature.
It doesn't mean God doesn't exist.
It does mean that there were things that these guys simply could not have known.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
And actually, if you investigate the real world, if you really want to find out who God is, Then you don't put blinders on and say, okay, the Earth is 6,000 years old, human beings have been here, we're the first created animal.
You don't do that.
If you really want to know who God is, you look at the facts, and you direct yourself toward the facts.
And actually, if you do that, you actually see a rather awesome God, if you believe in God.
You see a planet, That's almost five billion years old.
You see a God that's capable of creating an entire species, letting it rule the planet for 143 million years, and getting rid of that species and putting mammals on the earth.
I think that's rather impressive.
I do too, Charlie, and if you really feel that way about it, then I suggest you begin showing him more reverence.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
This is Elizabeth in Vancouver.
Hello Elizabeth, how are you doing?
Good to talk to you.
I think that quantum theory makes the likelihood of God almost inevitable, but that isn't my subject.
I wanted to talk about the Ark and actually maybe even pinning down which culture produced the Ark and which flood for that matter.
Alright.
I was listening to one of your callers the other night who follows the archaeologist Jones Yes.
And he was talking about the fact that they used resonating or sonar devices to locate walls, two walls in which the wood of the Ark would be encased.
And that reminded me of the Chaldean account of the Flood and the fact that the Chaldean Ark and the Chaldean, C-H-A-L-D-E-A-N, were contemporaries or cousins of the Babylonians.
And their ark actually was encased with two layers, one on the inside and one on the outside of asphalt, which the ancients knew about.
And it would be like a tarry petroleum mixture with some sort of gravel or stone mixed in with it.
So this really does, not just the size of the Chaldean Ark, which was 600 cubits, and that's much more in keeping with these satellite photographs of the site.
Correct.
But the two layers of the binding material encasing the inside and outside of the ark fits in more with the Chaldean account.
And as far as the flood is concerned, I think we should examine the idea that there was not a general world disaster, but that glacial lakes held back by ice dams, which really existed into historic times.
In fact, maybe the striations along the base of the Sphinx were caused by The breaking of these ice dams with warming climate.
Are you following all this argument?
Absolutely.
Anyway, I'd like to leave a little test for your callers about the millennium, if you don't mind.
I don't mind.
You got another sec?
Yeah, sure, go ahead.
Well, I'm calculating the millennium differently, and I think that it's either past, and we're in the first year of the third millennium, or it might be this year.
My math isn't that good, but I'd like to leave Four basic, five basic clues.
I've got a lot more research that I might bring up later.
You calculate the error to be about six years, I would bet.
You're so right.
Just a guess.
Right.
What you need to know, if you're writing this down, you need to know the Roman census year.
You need to know what the date was on the stelae, or the marker, that commemorated Herod the Great's death.
You need to know the date of John the Baptist's execution.
And you need to know what year Pontius Pilate was fired by the Romans, and you also need to calculate the missing year in the Christian calendar.
Are you aware that there's a missing year in the Christian calendar?
I've heard that, and I'm familiar with the general line that you're following, and that's how I came up with the six-year guess.
I really was not a guess.
I am familiar.
Thank you very much for the call.
and of course if she is correct Back to the O.J.
trial for a second.
Uh, listen to this.
Kind of an interesting fax from Charlotte.
I observed an odd incident which I don't know if anybody else noticed.
When Dr. Lee was talking about and showing a close-up picture of the key found at Bundy, Denise Brown suddenly leaned forward with a look of surprise and recognition on her face.
Supposedly, this key was from Ron Goldman's key ring.
But, could it be possible she recognized the key as belonging to someone she knows who was not O.J.
or Ron Goldman?
It was a very short instance, but it's puzzled me all day because she did not seem really upset, just surprised to see that particular key at the Bundy scene with blood on it.
Then she leaned back in her seat and just looked politely interested in the rest of the proceedings.
Incidentally, the talking heads were saying how boring and incomprehensible they found Dr. Lee's testimony.
I was fascinated with his seminar on blood splatters and his evidentiary opinions.
I was too, and I thought he was in fact a very good teacher.
And that was very important testimony.
Very important.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi, Art.
How are you?
I'm okay.
You ever notice how everyone says, yeah, Art?
Well... Yeah, they do say it.
I guess they do.
Actually, I just wanted to tell you that I'm in Grand Rapids, number one, and between the time you come on and the time the other program before you Well, the program I listen to goes off.
I have an hour where I listen to somebody else, and I called that guy tonight, and they had a screener, and it instantly turned me off.
That's why I like your show.
Well, that's why I like it, too.
Screening is all right, and I guess for some programs they have to do it.
Because of the format, or because they only want to talk about one subject, or because they don't want challenges, or I don't know why, you know, a million different reasons, but it wouldn't be as much fun for me.
And I've got to be honest with you, that's why I keep doing this, because it's fun.
Yeah, exciting.
That's right, you never know what you're going to get.
I really like your show.
Thank you.
Thanks.
All right, sir, thank you very much for the call.
I'm convinced.
As you know, the ratings for the program are absolutely astronomical.
As a matter of fact, yesterday one of the first things they said to me on KCMO in Kansas City was, Hey, you know, you've got the highest ratings at KCMO, and that's very flattering.
And it's just, you know, beginning to move.
The ratings in the West, or the western third of the US, are uniformly kersmash.
I mean, we're number one everywhere, and now that process is beginning rapidly to move east.
And I'm very thankful for it, and, you know, I don't totally know why, I just know that when I come on and have fun, then everybody else seems to, also, there is no absolute subject material that we glue ourselves to at any given time.
It's always open line talk radio.
And I don't screen calls.
Now, I don't think that's all that magical.
It's just not done very frequently.
So it's part of the equation.
It's not all of it.
I don't even know, and I don't even like thinking about it, but it is different, and it's more fun, and I've got to do it five hours a night, and if I always knew what was coming next, I'd be bored to death.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
How's it going?
This is Kenny from New Orleans.
Hi there.
Do you like promoting racism?
No.
Then why do you want to have Louis Farrakhan on your show?
Well, because I want to try to understand him.
He's nothing but hate.
No, that's not true.
It is true.
Do you have a lesson in what he says?
Yes.
I don't think you do.
Well, that would be your opinion and you're welcome to it.
I heard an interview done by, I believe it was Barbara Walters.
Did you happen to catch that?
No, but I listened to two of his Little meetings that he has in churches.
He was here a while back.
He had 15,000 black men in UNO Lakefront Arena.
And what he says is he's a real God and that blacks are being forced down by white people.
And that, I mean, how can he say these things like blacks build the pyramids?
Where does he get this crap from?
Well, when he's here maybe you could ask him.
I don't want to ask him nothing.
Well, you know, I mean, you're criticizing me for seeking to interview him, and yet you apparently sat down and on two occasions, not one but two, just admitted you listened to him.
Why'd you do that?
Why?
Yes, sir.
Because people didn't listen to him and say, hey, man, this guy's doing something wrong, you know?
Well, they're not going to tell, you know, somebody like you that wants to interview him.
In that case, then, uh, that is what the audience would conclude, you know.
I want to hear what the man has to say.
And I guess for the same reasons that you went to listen to him twice.
Sure did.
Alrighty.
Appreciate your call, sir.
Thank you.
There are a lot of people that I disagree with radically that I still want to interview.
Does that surprise you?
Shock you?
Do you think that is wrong?
There are a lot of people I disagree with that I want to try to understand, and he's one of them.
I've got a whole list of people that I would love to interview.
Louis Farrakhan is but one of them.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi, how are you doing, Art?
This is Quadraponic Ross from Phoenix.
How are you doing tonight?
Quite a handle.
Um, say the, uh, format for the, uh, Monday night, uh, Roswell showing.
Yes.
Is, do you know, uh, what the format on that's going to be?
Is that going to be a documentary?
No, no, and I don't know, and I think it's, you know, they're not telling, and I think it's very critical.
Uh, I would, I would advise them, not that they're going to listen to me, To try to be neutral, to try to make it simply a presentation of, here it is, you decide for yourself.
Maybe have a sit-down discussion afterward with some scientists or pathologists or various sorts of people.
And I hope they don't whoop it up.
I hope they don't laugh at it, chuckle at it.
I hope they just, as they do in England, present it and allow people to decide for themselves.
That's what I hope.
Is it going to be a BBC production?
No, it'll be... Well, of course, the BBC has their own thing, but it's going to be done by Fox.
Okay.
Fox Network.
So, we'll see how they handle it.
I'm with you.
I hope they treat it with some respect.
Well, it should be.
Thank you very much for the call.
It should be treated with some respect.
And let the people decide for themselves.
It'll be coming up Monday night, May 28th.
And it's gonna be something.
We'll be right back.
Welcome to the World of Music.
Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight's program originally aired August 23rd, 1995.
Now the iron hand of dictatorship comes down.
I just heard on the Associated Press that the release of Windows 95 in Seattle was one of the most major events they've ever seen.
There were people waiting at midnight to grab it.
And so I know that a lot of you have, uh, probably as you're listening to me, you're loading in Windows 95.
Actually, you ought to have it loaded by now, uh, unless you did something wrong.
And so I am opening a Windows 95 line only for those people that have just installed Windows 95.
I want your immediate opinion.
Your review.
This is Live Talk Radio, and I might add, we're on in the Seattle area.
As you all know, on KOMO and then earlier on KBI.
And so, this is it, folks.
Windows 95 line exclusively for this whole hour.
East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
Good morning.
Good morning, Art.
Turn your radio off, please.
All right.
This is Robert in Fort Wayne, Indiana.
Hi, Robert.
Turn your radio off, please, Robert.
We will wait.
Okay.
All right, what I was calling to talk to you about is the drug problem in the United States.
Yes.
And I'm 17 years old.
You know, some people are probably going to say, you know, teenagers talking about drug problems.
Well, I'm not going to lie.
You know, I've tried marijuana and I'm not glorifying that or anything.
But what I don't understand is, you know, I've heard about the national debt and all this.
Why doesn't the government just, you know, like take over this drug problem?
and you know like they will if you're not addicted to it you can have it you know but try to help the people that are and you know if they've got a given drugs and give the people that are already addicted drug and try to keep away from the other people but I think that would make money and reduce the deficit yeah that's great and let me add to it as long as we're going to do that Then, I live here in a state where prostitution, you know, is legal.
In many counties here.
So, why not have the government go into prostitution too?
I mean, there's really no difference, and they could, you know, the government's cut from prostitutes, that'd be big!
Gee, about 20, 30, 40 percent?
Uh, each time a trick is turned on behalf of the government, and we could reduce the debt even more!
I mean, I just don't see any, you know, need... I don't see... I think... I personally think that the... So is that a good idea?
I don't think that prostitution is, because... Well, why not?
Because it's... What differences are between that and drugs?
Because you're not hooked to prostitution, you know?
You can... Well, there's lots of people that are hooked on prostitution.
I don't think they're mentally hooked.
I would say sex is right up there in terms of human drive, right along with the need for drugs.
So if that's the case, then how come we don't have places and hospitals offering help for people that are addicted to prostitution?
Well, that's a very good question.
Maybe we ought to have.
I was giving you, sir, a ridiculous example to try to tell you why our government shouldn't be in these businesses.
Prostitution, or drugs, or anything else.
That's not the purpose of our government.
We need to have a long talk one night about why we have government, what government should be doing legitimately, and what it sure as hell ought not be doing.
And it should not be in the drug business, nor should it be in the prostitution business.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Uh, hello?
You better believe it.
I'm in Santa Fe, California.
It's off now.
I just got it tonight.
I'm in Santa Fe, California.
It's off now.
I just got it tonight. I installed it.
Yes.
The installation went absolutely perfect, and I love it.
Really?
Yes.
Now, do you miss having all the icons arranged neatly on the screen the way you did with your previous windows?
No.
I mean, it's different, but you adjust to it right away.
Really?
Yeah.
Alright, now, how about, I'm going to keep asking this, are all your DOS-based programs playing okay in Windows?
Yeah, I just played Panzer General and it was perfect, and I tried ACES over Europe and that ran perfectly, so, so far those two games, which are pretty advanced, complex games, ran flawlessly.
How much memory do you have?
Eight megabytes, and by the way, My system is running faster than it's ever run before.
Really?
It's a 486 50 megahertz system.
50?
Yeah.
Well, that sounds like a pretty good review so far, so you're a happy camper.
Right now, I am 100% happy.
I even accessed... Now, did you install this over 3.1?
I sure did, yeah.
Okay.
And by the way, I also successfully accessed America Online.
Went into the internet, went into World Wide Web, and everything worked perfectly.
All the graphics look proper?
In fact, the graphics came up faster than they had ever come up before.
I couldn't believe it.
Now, so you're almost getting me interested here.
Yeah, I was very skeptical.
Very skeptical.
I was not going to do this.
Did you run out and buy it at midnight?
I sure did.
Yeah?
Yeah.
Yeah, right now this looks just fantastic.
All right, that's very encouraging.
It really is for me, too.
All right, my friend, thank you.
There he is.
Oh, now see, that's good to hear.
I admit it, I'm afraid of it.
Intrigued by, drawn to, magnetically drawn to, wanting to grab.
I've got it on a CD, you know.
I put it in my hand and I look at it.
I even, as I said, I put it in my CD drive and closed the door and started the process and then chickened out and stopped it.
I don't know what I'm worried about.
I've got tape back up, you know, but it's just that... On my Windows 95 line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello, Art.
This is Clinton, Oklahoma City.
Oklahoma City.
Yes, sir.
Yes.
I have OS 2 and got the Windows 95.
And Windows 95 did just fine, except for some files.
They were real old DOS programs that I had problems with.
But overall, it's doing pretty good.
Well, did it just flat refuse to run some of the older stuff?
Yeah, it got piled up in the hard drive.
I had prepped the machine with Norton Utilities for Windows.
And we've experienced some people over here having virus programs.
They've got a lot of virus programs running through the system when you download stuff.
Right.
And your 16-bit virus protection programs don't work with Windows 9.
Yeah, now I've heard that.
Thank you for that.
Virus protection.
You know, I once had a virus.
In my computer, Michelangelo.
Actually, I've had it in there twice.
And, um, the present DOS system, I know a lot of eyes are glazing over out there, but, uh, this is a big event, Windows 95.
The present DOS system, 6.2 or 2.2, whatever you've got, has MSAV, which is a wonderfully effective virus eliminator.
And I've heard people say, well, there is no virus protection in Windows 95.
So if you do a lot of telecommunicating, um, you might have reason to be concerned.
Now, I don't know whether that's true or not, but that second person who told me that, see, that makes me vacillate again.
Do you see why I'm worried?
Who wants a virus?
Not me.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Radio Free America.
Well, good morning.
Good morning.
Uh, listen, I wanted to get to, uh, The Arc, but, uh, On the Joshua Tree Toad's polls, it would be the same polls that had Pataki, I mean Cuomo, up by 16.
Yeah, those polls, yeah.
They're polling America.
Anyway, on the Ark, you had a lady call in about some religious references to the Flood.
However, I think the Bible is the only reference point that specifically points out the mountains of Ararat as the resting place of the Ark.
One would have to come to the conclusion that there would be humongous support in the Bible's version of the story, so to speak.
I do conclude that.
It's what's really amazing.
Another lady called in.
It was about the cubits, which they're not precisely sure about.
She could actually be correct with her measurements on that.
A lot of people say it's 450 feet long.
It might be longer.
They're not sure about that.
So this is really a fascinating story.
Art, I wanted to ask you, what was the date that they said that showed up on the satellite?
Well, people are confusing that.
The way I understand the story is, the very day of the creation of Israel, 1948, There was an earthquake.
Right.
But I do not have the date, years later, when satellite imagery, and it was satellite imagery, so obviously it was years later, first detected the apparent presence of what seems to be, or may be, the Ark.
If you could maybe find out, possibly as specific a date, that that satellite photograph Well, I think it was not long after that that we began hearing about it, and so I'm taking a wild stab now.
I've been hearing about this, it seems like, for about four or five years now, and so I'll bet that's about when.
Oh, wow, that's really a fascinating story.
Also, lastly, to the lady that kind of cheated you out for being a sexist, maybe she can get Charlie into Mills College.
By today's standards, I am a sexist, and I'm even sort of proud of it.
So am I, I guess.
I'll talk to you later.
See you later.
Anybody see Shannon last night?
On my Windows 95 line, you're on the air.
Uh, yeah.
I did actually have a problem with my video card.
Oh, your video card?
Yeah.
A conflict?
Uh-oh.
Well, it wasn't a conflict.
It's one of those 16 million color cards.
Right.
But it only works as a regular 16-color card under Windows 95.
Well, Windows 95 should have installed new drivers.
Yeah, but it didn't recognize my drivers.
It didn't recognize your card, huh?
So I would recommend that people check out beforehand that they can get Windows 95 drivers for the equipment.
Well, it'll be interesting to see how many people have the same exact problem.
They supposedly had drivers that would cover about everything that's out there.
Now you may be proof they don't.
Thank you very much for the call, sir.
Thanks.
I had a little problem.
I'm going to put that one down.
I, too, have a video card that gives me 16 million colors, you know, 2 megs of video RAM.
And I know I'm kind of being chicken, but I'm one of those who... I'm so happy with what I've got now, that it's hard to imagine I could be happier.
My computers are running mwah at the moment.
You know, you can get very angry at them, and it has not always been this way.
But they're running very well.
And so there's the old saying, don't fix it if it ain't broken, right?
Well, it ain't broken.
Nevertheless, the temptation to fix it remains.
Windows 95 line, you're on the air.
Hi Art.
Hello.
Uh, I was running, uh, I, I just, uh, got done installing it.
It's running fine.
Really?
Yeah.
Um, what kind of... No problems at all.
What, what, what kind of computer?
Uh, compact.
Uh, oh, a, um, a laptop?
Uh, no.
No, it's a Rekord, uh, 4 standing model.
486?
Yeah.
Uh, how many megs of memory?
Uh, 16.
16.
Okay, see I've got a...
I haven't updated yet, but I understand it runs on 808.
Yeah, it's doing multitasking real smooth.
Yeah, that's what I've heard.
Do you have a lot of applications?
I was defragging my Bernoulli drive.
I've got several drives hooked up and several SCSI devices and recognized all of them.
Really?
And I had no problems whatsoever.
But when I say a lot of applications, I wasn't asking you so much about hardware or software.
I haven't really tried most of my Older applications, but I think they're going to be okay.
I had one problem.
It didn't like my Logitech mouse driver.
Really?
And it just told me that I should upgrade it.
And other than that, everything worked fine.
Then did your mouse driver not work?
It works, but I couldn't program the center and the right button on it.
Oh, I see, I see, I see, I see.
Alright, well, no, that makes sense.
Alright, well, so far... Look, after you've gone through some of your old applications, let me hear from you again, alright?
Sure will.
Because that's the only thing that's scaring me a little bit.
it will be right back now we take you back to the night of august twenty third
nineteen ninety five
on our girls somewhere in time now
Until next time, peace.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art Bell?
Yes.
Alright, I have a comment on racism.
Alright.
Okay, I just think that there'll always be racism until We stop categorizing people as white people and black people.
Well, and that will not occur until there are no more white and black people.
In other words, until we're all gray or whatever.
Well, you know, I just think that there's no such thing as white garbage or black garbage.
There's just garbage.
Period.
Yeah, that's a fair statement.
Okay.
Thanks.
I've always thought that one day, as intermarriage continues, the races will sort of Hello, Art.
Yeah, this is Dan from Seattle.
simply disappear and then we're going to really need somebody to hate and see what are we
going to do then when the color differences or the religious differences, they may not
disappear.
But the color differences, well, I suppose we can then all still fight over religion.
Heaven forbid we don't have anything to hate for, huh?
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hello, Art.
Yes.
Yeah, this is Dan from Seattle.
Hi, Dan.
Anyway, I wanted to talk to you about Gordon Michael Scallion.
Appreciate you playing the tape.
Well, it's relevant.
I mean, considering what's going on right now.
Well, I hadn't heard it before.
Oh, I see.
And it's interesting to me because you held over the second half where you were talking about the Martinique events down in the Caribbean Islands.
Yes, sir.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he mention something about volcanic activity with Vesuvius and Etna?
Yes, sir.
Well, I think I can understand why he's so tired.
Well, last time I checked, Edna is in Sicily, in the Mediterranean, and Vesuvius is in Western Italy.
Uh-huh.
Then you've got to look more carefully in the Caribbean.
What's that?
You've got to look more carefully in the Caribbean.
Are there other volcanoes named Edna and Vesuvius?
Other than the two famous ones?
I guess.
I'm not a geography expert, but he named those and then I believe two other possible active volcanoes north and south of those two.
Hmm.
So I remember I mentioned Edward Casey and discussions about Pele.
Yes.
And then I was just kind of completely blown out of the water when he brought up Vesuvius.
I know those are two very famous long active volcanoes in the Mediterranean.
I'm no 100% Caribbean expert either.
uh... one hundred percent caribbean expert either but uh...
i don't uh...
well you mentioned uh... in the you mentioned excuse me met he mentioned the
adjacency to martinique and i i i know exactly where martinique is
I was there three years ago.
So I promise you that's in the Caribbean.
I'll do a little more checking on it.
Pull out my localized map and see what I can find out.
All right.
Thank you.
And in addition, and I don't have it now in front of me, there is a volcanic activity doggone it.
Yeah, Montserrat.
Montserrat.
I don't need to find it.
That's what it was, Montserrat.
It has, according to USGS and a lot of the others, an 80% chance of erupting shortly, and they are presently evacuating.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Yeah, I'm Phil from Sacramento.
I was curious, how many system operators that run balloon boards, that they're having any problems with?
You know, front end, front door type thing?
With the Windows 95?
What do you think about that?
I'm just skeptical like you.
I know.
I'm going to put this thing in there, man.
I'm doing fine under Dawson.
I know.
I've heard, though, and this is the truth, that I think it's the truth, that bulletin board operators are going to love it more than almost anybody else because of the true multitasking, a real advantage in bulletin board operations.
That's curious because I read a lot of quick mail and stuff like that.
It's offline mail for people to understand what that is, but anyhow.
There's a lot of articles in there of problems after problems after problems with Windows 95 that I've read.
Nothing but problems for system operators and stuff.
Yeah, look, I'm with you.
I'm staying with 311 until I get a lot of calls saying, Art, you're crazy if you don't go to Windows 95.
Yeah, I hear you there.
Yeah, for multitasking it would make sense from a user's point of view.
You know, if you're offering something to somebody then, you know, I don't know, like you said, if it's not broken, why mess with it?
it's like the current and very likely to have a couple of you know that's also a
little like saying uh... it sure is fun driving my my uh... twenty five-year-old
lincoln uh...
uh... went when when you could be driving a brand new you know whiz bang
something or another and so you know you're backed up on paper got my windows 3
1 and dot 3 1 backed up on CD-ROM
I don't worry about viruses at all.
If I go down, I'm up in three hours.
That's cool.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, I appreciate it.
Thank you.
Yeah, thanks for talking to me.
You bet.
We feel exactly the same way, sir.
We're both chicken.
I'll be right back.
You're listening to a Bell Center in time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 23, 1995.
Music playing.
Midnight at the oasis, send your camel to bed.
Shadows painting our faces, traces of romance in our hands.
Heaven's holding our hands, shining just for us.
Let's slip off to a sand dune, really soon, kick up a little dust.
Come on, can't you see it's all red?
Keep on moving out the way.
Come on.
Ah, good morning.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM, from August 23, 1995.
Ah, good morning. From the high desert, I'm Art Bell. And it's good to be here.
I'm tempted.
I'm so tempted.
I've got a Windows 95 line open.
Windows 95 only.
On my Windows 95 line, you're on the air.
Good morning, Hart.
This is Jim from San Francisco.
KSFO.
Hi, Jim.
How you doing?
Oh, great.
Yeah, I'm gonna hold off on that kind of stuff for a while.
I got 3 to 1.
But it's always best to wait about 6 months or a year.
Well, that's, of course, that's the wise thing to do.
And it's the sensible, or to use a Bushism, a prudent thing to do.
Yeah.
But I'm dying to put it in there.
Yeah.
Probably won't notice that much difference.
I mean, other than all the tasking, won't notice that much difference anyway.
Oh, I don't know.
You know, people are saying it really is, that it really is, I mean, it's an utterly, completely different operating system.
It's using a new DOS 7 something or another.
And, uh, it, it, you're right, it multi-tasks, and it's fast, and it's, um, user-friendly, and all the rest.
I mean, it's really tempting.
Are you a Pentium based?
Um, no, um, I've got a old 66 II here, and, uh, I've also got a 100 megahertz, uh, laptop.
Yeah, I got a 46 laptop.
Uh, what kind of, um, Graham, are you using more than four?
No, yeah, I use Megs on both computers, and I've got a 540 hard drive on both.
Yeah, you'd be alright.
So, you know, I've got all I need, but I still, I can't, you know, I linger over the click, continue, and I can't make my finger do it.
It usually takes a while for the bugs to work out after it's been released to open Word.
Yeah, I know, I know, but...
I want to and I don't want to.
That's why I have this line open.
Anyway, you don't qualify.
You don't have it yet.
That's true.
That's right.
Thank you.
That's right.
I just broke my own rule.
It's supposed to be people only put Windows 95 in.
Only if you ran out at midnight and got it and you've loaded it in and you're reacting now.
On my Windows 95 line, you're on the air.
Thank you.
I own a... I'm in Honolulu.
Yes, sir.
My name is Dave.
And, uh, I forgot the radio station here.
I'm sorry, I listen to it every night at the wonderful station.
Well, how can you forget it?
It's K-H-V-H in Honolulu.
K-H-V-H, local, all new.
Yes.
I'm a computer consultant, and I build computers here in Honolulu for many years.
Yes, sir.
And I just want to let you know that I've been an official beta test site for many months, and I've been banging on Windows 95 for over a year and a half.
And, uh, it's a great program.
And this is where we're going into the future.
Right now, to make this transition, you are going and you and I and everybody else are going to have problems.
For example, I'm using a DevTech AHA 2940 Fast Wide SCSI 3 hard disk drive controller with a 2GB hard drive.
Right.
And well, this will give you about 155MB per second data transfer rate and burst mode speed.
Windows 95 didn't have drivers for it.
I'm using a Matrox, one of their high-end video cards you can possibly buy.
It's about a $1,000 card with 4 megs of VRAM.
And it didn't recognize it?
No, it didn't have drivers for it.
Now, see, you're the second person who said that it hasn't had drivers for the video card.
Yes, sir, but as soon as I went out to Matrox, and they're up in Canada, and you know, called their BBS and downloaded it, called Adaptech and downloaded the drivers, boom, everything is coming up.
Uh, but the antivirus programs, such as McAfee's, which is absolutely about the best you can buy.
I agree.
Norton's, and, uh, uh, PC Tools, uh, these kinds of pro- and even, uh, Photoshop, if you're into multimedia like I am.
I am, and I do have Norton, and I do have PC Tools, and you're gonna tell me they're not gonna run.
No, and don't even try, because you can really, uh, you know, you can have long file names now in Windows 95.
Right.
And, uh, you try, uh, Norton's on it, you're gonna trash it.
You're gonna hurt yourself.
So don't, don't even try Norton's.
WordPerfect for Windows, uh, a lot of people use that.
I use Microsoft Word.
But, uh, WordPerfect has got some bugs in it that's gonna lock you up and give you some problems if you're doing certain things.
Otherwise, uh, Quicken version 4.0.
Quicken 3 runs better on Windows 95.
All right, but you've given me more on the negative side than on the positive side.
Well, no, it's a good program.
What it is, it's a transition program to get us from 16-bit operating system to 32-bit.
Yeah, I know.
And Windows NT is really where we should be right now, but that's made mainly for file servers.
Right.
Right, I know somebody who just installed Windows NT, as a matter of fact.
One good thing, if I could say it, please.
Yes.
And I listen to you every night, and I love your show.
But Microsoft is coming out with Microsoft Office and Office Professional and it's all recompiled and all done up for Windows 95.
So anybody that's using Word and Excel and all those fine programs like that, in the next 30 to 60 days you're going to see a complete flood of new applications recompiled and built for Windows 95.
Ah, very good point.
It's a good place to be.
Alright sir, thank you.
Yeah, but maybe it's not a good place to be yet.
You know, what you just told me kind of supports what I was, my deepest fears.
And that is that a number of applications might not work.
I really don't worry that it, you know, I have a Phantom 64 video card.
And I don't worry that it won't recognize that.
I think it would.
I'm not so sure about the scanning device.
I'm not so sure about ...weather device card and some of the rest of that, I'm just not sure.
But, you know, this man is right about one thing, and that is you're going to see a flood of rewritten applications for Windows 95 over the next few months.
Maybe that'll make life a lot easier.
Maybe a lot of what I depend on right now will be rewritten to be compatible.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Yes, this is Sandy in Ottawa, Illinois.
Hello, Sandy.
Hello.
I am sorry you've gone off of our radio now for our agricultural report, so I don't know if anyone has answered this, but you had a gentleman that was a little sarcastic about Mr. Scallion.
Oh, yes.
He did not say that Vesuvius and Etna were in the Caribbean.
He said that there were lava vents underground.
Connected.
That connected all of them.
And then he mentioned activity, I believe, on each side of Martinique, correct?
Right.
That's what I thought.
Yes.
So people should not be sarcastic unless they They hear the words, but they don't listen to what they really are.
Well, he qualified it.
Right.
All right.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And have a good morning.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello there.
Well, that's too bad you wasted a call.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
How you doing, Art?
Okay.
I just wanted to say about the Windows 95.
Yes.
It's amazing you guys are so excited to have something that's so close to a Macintosh now.
That's the way the whole Macintosh system is built up.
It's so easy, and the bugs are worked out already.
I'm not jumping in on this one.
I'm not going to do it.
It's just so funny because everybody's going like, oh, Windows 95, it's wonderful, it's so easy.
That's the way Macintosh is built up.
It's amazing.
It's really amazing.
All right, all right, fine.
All right, I'll tell you, I'll tell you that I think Macintoshes are going to be full of dust in garages all over America over the next ten years, and it's going to IBM.
Not with the power of PCs.
Yeah, well...
The PowerPC chips are blowing away, the Pentiums are blowing away, the Intel's... I don't know why I'm doing this, you baited me into it.
I didn't mean to bait you, but it just surprised me, because when I looked at, just watching on TV about the 95, and the whole way it's all set up is the way Macintosh has been doing it for years.
Alright, now you're beginning... Sir, you're repeating yourself.
I know, I'm sorry about that, but I mean, it is amazing with the Power PCs, because people always said that the Macintoshes weren't good because they didn't have the speed that the IBMs had.
But with the Power PCs, they do have the speed now.
In fact, they've, you know, they've got beyond the speed.
I think the newest ones, they're 132 Megahertz.
Well, uh, there'll be, uh, I understand that there'll be 130 or 40 megahertz chip out shortly, uh, for IBM.
Shortly, but Macintosh is already there, so I don't think you'll be, I don't think you'll be seeing the Macintosh.
I'm blowing you, I'm blowing, I can't listen to any more of this, sir.
Okay, well have a good evening, Art, and all you guys with the 95, have fun.
Ha!
First time caller on line, no, no, no, no, on my Windows 95 line, you're on the air.
Hello?
Hello.
Hi, um, I'm just, sir, curious what's making you decide not to hold up to go to Windows 95?
Well, I mean, have you been listening?
Yeah, I mean, um, you know that the fact is that I'm here in the Seattle area.
First of all, you're in Seattle.
Do you have Windows 95?
Yes, I have.
I've, um, worked with it for quite a long time.
Another beta tester?
Um, sort of.
Yeah.
I'm a little close to the product in that.
Oh, so let's just let it out then.
You work for Microsoft.
I work with Microsoft, yes.
All right, fine.
Yeah, I'm... All right, give me your best argument.
One thing is that you can back out.
You have ability to back out and you can still leave your present Windows DOS configuration there.
So if you're worried, there's one possibility right there.
You can leave it there and not have to worry about it.
You can stay there and decide what to go with.
Um, another thing is, is for a lot of people, it is a much easier use system than Windows 3.1 was.
Um... Well, I think it is going to be easier for a lot of people, but, you know, that, I don't care about that.
Okay.
What do you, what do you, what are you, um, I mean... I mean, look, obviously I admit it.
I'm intrigued by an entire new operating system.
That's what this is.
I recognize that.
That's good enough of citing.
And that's what we, you know, what people, one of the good things about people should have.
I mean, one of the things is, you know, your disk tools and your virus software?
Yes.
Yes, that's going to go bye-bye because of the fact that we use a different file system now with the long file names, which those softwares aren't aware of.
There's that growing pain for everyone there.
And most of the manufacturers are ready or will be ready Shortly for those.
But hold it, hold it now.
Pause.
Sure.
Doesn't that make a case for prudence?
In other words, for sitting back and saying, look, 311 is running great.
All my applications are running great.
Why am I not smarter to wait until the bugs are out?
The applications are rewritten, many of them, for Windows 95.
Why is it not smarter to do that?
Well, Lennart, by the way, my name's Douglas.
The one thing which you got here is we already have inside the product a disk defragmenter.
We have a disk scanner for bad sectors and stuff already in the product, so you do have some basic disk tools with you today.
Okay, okay.
What about the virus question?
Now, that's important, because I do a lot of telecommunicating and upping and downloading, and so now address that.
Um, on that, from what I understood is, and I don't want to speak for the companies to cash checks for them, so what I understand is a couple of them are supposed to be tomorrow, you might want to go give them a call.
They probably have something already there for you.
Well, that's a guess.
Um, that's something I think you should feel fairly confident about that way.
A lot of them are there.
The other thing is that a lot of your virus software, I have found it to work Worked fairly well for people as long as they use.
I've used McCaffrey's under it before to their later versions to do it.
Another thing with virus software which you have to realize... Can you use the old DOS MSAV?
Will it be any good with Windows 95?
They'll catch the viruses which it knows about today.
The one thing with virus software in general is that virus software You always have to constantly upgrade it anyway because, unfortunately, there's jerks in the computer world which want to damage your machines for some kick.
I don't understand why, but... I know.
I know.
So that's with it there, too.
I mean, even under DOS Windows 3.1... All right, sir.
Listen, I really appreciate the call.
Thank you.
That's obviously somebody on the inside.
I've got a couple things I've got to do here.
It's been fun.
It's really tempting.
You never know what I'll do when I get off the air here.
You never know.
You know, I'm kind of hyped up about it.
Now we take you back to the night of August 23rd, 1995, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
And now, we take you back to the night of August 23rd, 1995, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
You know, I'm kind of hyped up about it.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello, Art.
Yes, turn the radio off, please.
Yes, I just did.
Sorry about that.
Good.
This is Chris calling from Austin.
Yes, sir.
I just wanted to make a note on your... You had talked about the brain, people using the brain for healing themselves.
Yes.
I had just recently read, I think in Discovery Magazine, you said something about you believe we only use 10% of our brain.
Whatever it is.
Something like that.
I just read that with their MRI studies and stuff they're doing now that we use 100% of our brain.
Well, that is indeed a new discovery because I had not heard that.
Yeah, you know they can measure the magnetic resonances of whatever you're thinking about apparently and they Well, that's news to me.
Certainly news to me.
And when did they manage to map the part that gives people special powers like precognition?
I hadn't heard that either.
of it all mapped.
Well, that's news to me.
Certainly news to me.
And when did they manage to map the part that gives people special powers like precognition?
I hadn't heard that either.
That, well, you got me there.
Okay.
Well, I had to get you somewhere.
Alright, thank you.
I don't know if that's true or not.
Some of the rest of you may want to comment.
Do we use 100% of our brain?
I don't think so.
All traditional science that I've heard of all my life indicated something like 10%.
Now, maybe that's wrong.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Uh, this is Colonel Vick and Kennewick.
Yes, sir.
I was wondering, sir, if you got the Bigfoot article in the mail.
I did, thank you.
Okay, great.
And, uh, I wanted to ask you, Do pictures from newspapers turn out on faxes?
Hardly ever.
If you know what you're doing, and you put it in light mode for transmit, you've got a real good chance.
But if you let it go normally through, you generally get a black blob.
Oh, okay.
I wanted to just make one comment.
I sure hope they use primer paint on the space beetle.
Would that be a good idea?
You don't have to show it done and make it back normal.
No, you're absolutely right.
Oh, you know what's funny?
We were talking about the Space Needle, and the company, the company that did this, put the Wheel of Fortune on the Space Needle, they sent me a fax, and they said, yes, we did it, and it'll be undone here in a day or two, and then done into something else.
So occasionally, I guess they just, you know, they do that with the Space Needle up there.
They just sort of decorate it one way or the other.
And, I don't know, I sort of thought of it as Space Needle sacrilege, but, you know, it's Seattle, so I guess as long as it doesn't bother the people of Seattle, it should not bother me.
It just... I don't know.
They had everything but Vanna twirling on top.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hey, Art.
This is Robert, Murder Capital of the World, New Orleans.
New Orleans.
How you doing, Robert?
I'm doing fine.
I was lucky enough to download the pictures from Roswell.
Ah, yes.
And I got a first look at it, and the first thing I saw was the head of the alien, and it looked just like from the movie The Thing.
Do you remember the way the head looked?
I sure do.
And I thought that was real curious, whether or not it's real or not.
What was your overall impression?
I tend to want to believe it.
That they are real.
Me too.
And I wonder what percentage of that is I tend to believe it based on what I've seen versus I want to believe it.
I think it goes more about what I've seen, what I've heard, what I've read.
You know, you know how the government covers up as much as they possibly can.
And if it was real, you know, like you said, would the people panic or go crazy?
Yeah, they would.
Enough of them, anyway.
Well, I know my wife would because she already looked at them and said she wouldn't believe it if they came up and walked up to her and bit her.
Really?
Yeah.
She doesn't want to believe.
Tell your wife to be careful what she...
Even thinks about.
Right.
All right, that's all I wanted to tell you about.
Well, listen, how's New Orleans?
How is it?
I don't know.
They said it's getting better because it was down like two months ago when I talked to you, but it looks like it's climbing up again in the murder rate.
We're killing two or three a day again.
Two or three a day?
Yeah, we knocked off five a day before yesterday, and I think three since I woke up this morning.
That's terrible.
Yeah.
Alright, well look, we're out of time, so say goodnight America.
Well, goodnight and God bless America.
That was nice.
God bless America.
Certainly can use his help.
Well listen, another great night of talk radio.
Tomorrow we'll learn more about Windows 95.
As for me, I've got this CD.
What should I do with it?
See you tomorrow.
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