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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from August 14th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all a very good evening, or good morning, as the case may be.
		Stretching from the Tahitis and the Hawaiian Islands, all the way east to the U.S. Virgin Islands, way out in the Caribbean, south to South America, north to the North Pole, where Tampa is.
		Good morning, everybody, and welcome to another week, another edition of Coast to Coast a.m.
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		You should thank it.
		All right, what is going on right now?
		Felix is hitting Bermuda, grazing Bermuda tonight.
		Lots of high winds.
		And then they say on to the U.S. mainland.
		Not yet too powerful a hurricane, but it could easily increase in strength.
		Winds presently about 85 miles plus per hour.
		Airlines are not flying to Bermuda anymore.
		Bermuda was scheduled to vote, had a very important vote, as a matter of fact, on whether or not they should become independent from Britain.
		Now, the turnout for that vote is very much in doubt, therefore, whether it will be meaningful in doubt, too.
		Forecasters are not sure, but they now think the U.S. East Coast is indeed the next most likely target of this hurricane, as they just keep coming.
		As I noted, it's going to be a terrible season.
		Terrorism.
		Sudden nationwide security at airports last week.
		Remember that?
		No specific reason, but it was obvious to me, and I think most, that there was more going on below the surface than we were being told, and there was.
		Islamic terrorists, specifically Hamas, is threatening a suicide attack at Kennedy Airport.
		Even vehicles are being stopped and searched.
		They're worried most apparently about a car bomb.
		Suicide car bomb.
		And I wonder why they don't tell us this kind of stuff.
		Now, I know I'm not telling them anything, so I'm not breaching any security by saying this.
		But if I was a terrorist, I'd pick another airport.
		Not Kennedy.
		The U.S. is a big, fat target for terrorism, and there's simply no question about it.
		Unless we want to become a police state, and we do not.
		We're a big fat target, and we can be hit very nearly anywhere, anytime.
		And I wonder what you would see done about that.
		I mean, as it begins to get bad, and it's going to get worse, you know, as we arrest these terrorists in New York, and in fact, one at Kennedy, they're going to try to get back to us at us.
		That's what they do.
		And of all the targets out there, we're probably the easiest because we are the freest.
		Thus, we want to turn this place into some sort of police state.
		Well, the big confab down in Dallas, what to say about that?
		Ross Pro showed up on Meet Press Sunday.
		You've got to remember, he got a fifth of the vote last time.
		And the big party was this last weekend in Texas.
		36 speakers showed up.
		And the big news, I guess, is everybody kind of snored while Bob Dole gave his speech.
		I said snored.
		And everybody clapped when Pat Buchanan said what he said.
		And Pat Buchanan gave a big speech at the end of which he said, quote, when I raise my hand to take the oath of office, your new world order comes crashing down, end quote.
		And they stood in the aisles for that one.
		Now, whether or not a confab with Ross Perot is important or not, I don't know.
		They think it is.
		He got a fifth of the vote, and that's enough to put anybody over the top.
		So everybody, as usual, comes courting to Ross, wanting his sport.
		Generally, it's my view, he gives these things so that he can let all the other guys speak and then say they have spoken, none of them have said what I want.
		I shall be your candidate.
		However, a lot of what Ross Perot, Crazy Ross Perot says, I still find very, very appealing.
		He'd like to see both parties come forward with a second contract with America, real one this time, one that contains all the reforms not passed in the last one.
		No gifts to congressmen, no money, real campaign finance reform, shorter campaigns, stopped foreign lobbyists, balanced the budget, criticized Reagan for the $10 million speech, said the economy is a mess, said, well, he said a lot of things.
		He said, if the biggest tax increase in history, and we just had one, makes sense last year, how does a tax cut this year make sense unless your agenda is to manipulate the voter?
		Well, it is.
		That's part of what taxes are for, to manipulate people into different social behavior or at the ballot box.
		He said, quote, and I agree with this, quote, if these economic figures were on the instrument panel of an airplane, we would eject, end quote.
		That's right.
		He does not now want to repeal NAFTA.
		Said we should not have normalized relations with Vietnam.
		And so a lot of what Ross Perot says still makes sense to me.
		He wants pilot programs for Medicare and Medicaid before we jump.
	He wants to raise the eligible age for Medicare and Medicaid.
	Means test means if you got the money, you don't get it.
	We've got to look at Social Security, raise deductibles, and generally wants welfare localized.
	And of course, the big question, is he going to run in 96?
	He said, business is rational.
	Politics is irrational.
	I won't close it out.
	I won't go away.
	But, you know, there's still something to me endearing about Ross Perot.
	He is a sincere but slightly crazy guy.
	And I voted for him last time because I thought this sincere but slightly crazy guy would go to Washington and probably not last very long, probably shake the hell out of them.
	They needed it then and they need it now.
	The media asking, does he want to make a king be a kingmaker or a king himself?
	Probably both.
	Then there's Jesse Jackson, Colin Powell, and of course, as I said, Ross Perot.
	George Will said something I've been telling you right along over the weekend on the Brinkley show.
	And he said, you know, Bob Dole went down to Texas and said his basic theme was, as George Bush's was, elect me, I've been tested.
	Well, it did not work for George Bush.
	It is not going to work for Bob Dole.
	And therefore, George Will concluded exactly what I have concluded, that Dole is not the best candidate.
	Dole cannot beat Bill Clinton.
	I believe it.
	So, if Bob Dole is not the right opponent for Bill Clinton, who is?
	Well, the guy getting the biggest reception by a mile was Pat Buchanan.
	As you know, we had him on as a guest here.
	And as you know, I too also like Pat Buchanan.
	Am I convinced he would be the right candidate?
	Not yet.
	I am not.
	And I must admit, I do not know who is.
	Mr. Graham's campaign seems to be fading quickly.
	I really don't think there's very much there, do you?
	There is with Buchanan.
	He's got fire in the belly.
	He could go after Clinton.
	I agree with that.
	There's something reminiscent, certainly, of Ronald Reagan and more in Pat Buchanan.
	Maybe too much more.
	I don't know.
	I'm on the edge.
	I want to support Pat Buchanan right now more than anybody else.
	But something holds me back from fully jumping in.
unidentified		Oh well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As you know, the president would like young people to stop smoking or never, more to the point, begin in the first place.
		The FDA has declared nicotine a drug and cigarettes themselves a drug delivery system.
		His plan is to ban sales to anybody 18 years of age or under.
		It's already the law.
		To ban vending machines, to allow no ad within a thousand feet of a school, no ads at sporting events, so the camera might catch them, and to drag, kicking and screaming, $150 million from the advertising budgets, I guess, of the tobacco companies, to be used to advertise against themselves.
		Tobacco companies flipped out, filed suits.
		Lawyers will profit for generations to come.
		And again, I remind you, all of you, more people smoke than voted for Clinton.
		And I still like what I made up last week, that our president may be the first smoking-related political death.
		Either that or it's a very smart move, and some people think that it is smart.
		Well, as you know, I'm trying to quit smoking myself, so I went down and got the patch.
		And I slapped that sucker on, and it made me sicker than a dog.
		Now, I've got the 21, what is it, 21 milligram, you know, the highest one, the one you're supposed to start with.
		And without telling you what brand of cigarettes I smoke, I'll tell you I smoke a cigarette that most people, when you offer it, you know, when you bum a cigarette, I offer one of mine and they say, oh, No thanks.
		To them, it's not even really a cigarette.
		What I smoke has the lowest nicotine of any cigarette on the market.
		Okay?
		And I think what happened is that I poisoned myself.
		I'm not sure about this.
		It's just a guess, mind you.
		But I think I poisoned myself with too much nicotine.
		It's just a guess right now, but when I took the patch off, I felt an awful lot better.
		I mean, I got kind of ill.
		Anyway, so the saga continues.
		So for now does the smoking.
		FDA, David Kessler, over the weekend, trying to define what is a drug.
		Very, very interesting.
		He said, a drug, quote, a drug is an article, except for food, intended to affect the structure and function of the body, end quote.
		Boy, I'll tell you, that includes a lot of stuff.
		Everything, literally, except food, that you would put into your body.
		Just seemed to me that would include an awful lot of stuff.
		The V-chip.
		Brinkley discussed the V-chip.
		What is it?
		It will indeed technically work.
		It will go into every television set manufactured after a certain date.
		So technically, the V-chip for violence is going to work.
		But the following questions are good ones.
		Who will decide what will be declared violent?
		In other words, presumably, parents would program the V-chip and would go by the ratings that are given to each program.
		So then who decides what's going to be given the rating that would cause the parents to program the V-chip?
		And then they added there ought to be an S-chip for sex, maybe an L-chip for liberal ideology.
		And anyway, they said, who would know enough to program it?
		Parents can't program VCRs now.
		Most of them sit there flashing 12s most of the time, or zeros, 12 o'clock.
		Who can program the VCRs?
		The kids.
		That's who.
		Still, I think the V-CHIP is basically a good idea.
		This harkens a little bit to something we discussed with a guest on Dreamland yesterday.
		It is the internet and the web.
		Now, to those of you that do not have computers, you've got to understand the web is becoming, is changing, is evolving, is becoming something new.
		It's almost, not quite of course, but almost an entity of its own.
		And the government is worried about it.
		They're talking about censoring it or monitoring it or whatever they're going to do.
		I wonder, do you consider the growing internet web dangerous?
		The savior of society?
		Something that should be regulated?
		Something that should be left alone?
		Something that eventually will become a kind of entity of its own.
		I just wonder what you think about that.
		It is true in Oklahoma, in an Oklahoma state prison, there was a man convicted for murder who was just about to be executed.
		Hours.
		Just had a few hours left.
	Strangely, he said he wanted to take a nap.
	He wanted to take a nap in his last few hours.
	Anyway, when the guards came to get him, he was completely unconscious.
	As a matter of fact, was at death's door.
	Had apparently taken an overdose of something or another.
	So he was about to die.
	They rushed him to a hospital, revived him with extraordinary methods, got his eyes open, got him breathing, got him thinking, got him back into the world again, returned him to the prison, and executed him.
	Now, I don't think this story says very much about the man in question.
	Just doesn't.
	I mean, it's not an unusual thing.
	Rather than face the state execution, he was going to go away.
	But to return him from death's door in order to get him aware enough to be aware that we were executing him, he was going to die our way by God or no way at all, says more about us than it does about him.
	And I'm not exactly sure what it says, but you might want to try and comment on it somehow.
	The O.J. Simpson trial, the Furman tapes.
	This is it, folks.
	It may be the biggest decision of the O.J. Simpson trial should the tapes be used as evidence.
	Allegedly on the tape, and they're beginning to leak out now, the N-word was used 27 times by Furman.
	There is Furman explaining, allegedly, how an innocent black man might be framed by the police.
	Johnny Cochran told the reporters that came rushing in to see him that these tapes are going to be the icing on the cake for an acquittal.
	They want to play five or even six hours of the tapes to the jury.
	The prosecutors are flipping out.
	Marsha and company are very, very angry at Mark Furman.
	So if the tapes are played, I think it is the straw that will break the back of the prosecution.
unidentified		I think that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's going to be an acquittal.
		So what is that going to mean?
		Quite a bit, I suspect, for the American justice system and the way we perceive it.
		Well, I've got a lot more, but let me hold it for a moment.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 14, 1995.
		We'll be right back.
		We'll be right back.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 14, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art, regarding the execution story, is our government great or what?
		Signed Pat.
		Yeah, I don't understand that, but oh well.
		Art, I think a winning ticket in 96 would be Buchanan and Alan Keyes, or maybe Buchanan and Linda Smith.
		I think the definition of an illegal drug ought to be, quote, a substance one takes that can affect the person to the extent that he or she may harm another, end quote.
		Drug usage has gone way up since Clinton got into office.
		Now he only goes after cigarettes.
		Makes me wonder what the administration personnel smoke.
		Regards, Vince.
		And finally, Carson from Houston says, Arn, don't you feel that terrorist actions are possibly encouraged, tolerated, or even committed by those in this country in order to impose tyrannical restrictions on our freedoms?
unidentified		Well, no, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, Carson, no, I don't.
		I think they are a threat to our freedom, but I don't think they're being encouraged in order to remove our freedom.
		I think that's going to be the end effect, though.
		And away we go.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi there, Mr. Bell.
		Ding-dongs.
		This is Pete in Portland, Portland, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Where we conjugate our Latin, no more, no mo, no mos.
		I've had enough of baseball already.
		Well, I thought that debate night was great.
		Is there some way you can work that into a regular thing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do debates all the time.
		You know, a full night was a lot.
		But I did that for two reasons.
		One, the most important of which was, just giving away presents is boring.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, unless you're the winner.
		But at least when you have a debate and you have a contest, then you've got content.
		And I didn't want to have a boring night, so we had content.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Oh, about Dreamland.
		what was the name of that last guy who was on there?
		He was talking about mysticism and...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that awful?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was Denny Sargent.
unidentified		Denny Sargent.
unidentified		He has books out or something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Hmm.
		Well, so look him up.
		Hey, Art.
		I just got a hold of what's on the newsstand right now, the Popular Science magazine, a big, huge five-page article with illustrations on the HARP project up in Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I've seen the photos.
unidentified		Yeah, and they've got the declassified documents, and at least one of the three patents is declassified, and they talk all about it, but they're planning on doing.
unidentified		Did you ever hear the Russian woodpecker?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For years, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, apparently in this article, they mentioned a site somewhere over the horizon, somewhere at Siberia or someplace.
unidentified		That was probably their version of HARP trying to look over the horizon at us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		So it's pretty neat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		HAARP, though, is not really over-the-horizon radar.
		HARP is an actual attempt to influence the nature of the ionosphere, A, and B, to look for underground caverns and bases.
		Very, very interesting.
		And so HARP and the woodpecker are not exactly the same thing.
		They both, however, threw and will throw large amounts of RF at the ionosphere.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		Let me turn down the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you.
		Please do that right away when you get on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Sean from Sacramento.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		A couple things.
unidentified		First of all, I think all his KST listeners should call in, make sure we get Dreamland on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you do get it, don't you?
unidentified		Yeah, but it's preempted, like, later on during the evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well.
unidentified		I kind of want to get live.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what's on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sports?
unidentified		No, actually, I can't remember.
		Not that great.
		But anyway, you had a 21-year-old a few nights ago that was talking about Japan and making some really stupid comments as far as the H-bomb.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, I'm 25 years old and a military brat.
unidentified		And I used to live in Japan for three and a half years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And I've been to Hiroshima.
unidentified		And what people just don't understand is that the H-bomb ended up giving the Japanese a way out, a very honorable way out, which is very important to them and their culture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remember, it was the A-bomb.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, the H-bomb.
unidentified		Yeah, the A-bomb.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gave them a way out, yes?
unidentified		And another point I'd like to make as far as kids and drugs, a lot of kids are being sent to school with Ritalin, which is a drug, and being told that they have to change their mood because their teachers can't handle them.
unidentified		And this is education.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but in some cases, sir, it is true.
		Ritalin is not all the bad drug that it's made out to be.
		And it helps a lot of children that otherwise would be not manageable to be manageable.
unidentified		I know, but we are telling the kids that their mood has to be changed in order to be able to be dealt with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in some cases, it does.
		Thank you.
		I'm not totally against Riddling.
		And you may recall when you were in school, there were one or maybe two kids that would disrupt a class.
		Actually, I may have been one of them at one time.
		I was pretty bad in school.
		I like to talk back.
		And I got in a lot of trouble with that talking back.
		Arguing.
		Maybe that's why I'm suited for what I'm doing right now.
		I don't know.
		But I would make caustic comments.
		West of the Rockies.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Concerning the fellow that had the generator.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The what?
unidentified		The fellow that had the generator you talked about last Valley Boarding?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The reverse spark deal.
unidentified		There is a generator known to come down from Tesla, and they have a book in the Silicone Valley that I have seen, and a friend of mine was working on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		That is 800% more efficient than our present generators.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then why don't we use them?
unidentified		Pretty obvious, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not.
		Well, sure they could.
		If it's 800% more efficient, they could still put a meter on it.
unidentified		The information is quite well disseminated.
unidentified		And my friend was working on it before he died about a few years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then I say again, where is it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we're in a capitalist society, sir, and if there's something that is that much better, then the power companies would use it and make that much more money.
unidentified		Well, the idea is for each person to make their own.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, to make their own.
unidentified		And there was a scooter in Germany that had gone 20,000 kilometers.
		I saw a picture of it.
		It was just a one-person little vehicle.
		And at that time, we're talking about making an automobile.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you.
		I very much doubt these stories.
		Sorry.
		I know.
		The 3,000-mile carburetor, the machine that generates power from nothing, the endless motion machine, all the rest of them.
		My question is always then, where is it?
		And the answer is always, well, it's pretty obvious, isn't it?
		They can't allow that to be.
		They wouldn't make any money.
		Power companies would go out of business.
		So they suppress it.
		Kill anybody who gets in their way.
		Hide the technology.
		Sorry, I don't buy it.
		First time caller a lot, and you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Goodness gracious, I didn't think you'd get in.
		This is Dan from Portland, Oregon.
		I'm enjoying your program here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
unidentified		I enjoyed the little stories of miraculous power-saving power generating full-wave bridge amplifiers and things like that that no one can seem to find.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what do you mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Full-wave bridge amplifiers or full-wave bridge?
unidentified		They work.
		I understand.
		That's a piece of electronic circuitry, but I'm talking about the miraculous things that will generate 500 times more energy than they consume.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe it?
unidentified		Of course not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
unidentified		Garbage.
		Yeah, you're right about Furman.
		He's going to blow it out of the water here if the tapes are accurate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be it?
unidentified		Yeah, that'll be it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If it seems as though it's coming from Furman, and my impression is that it clearly does, that's the end.
unidentified		Yeah, it's too bad, too, because I think the guy is guilty of sin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so then if he walks, what effect?
unidentified		Well, I'm going to be a little disillusioned.
		The other thing you talked about was Mr. Buchanan, you know, I hate to tell you, he's no Reagan.
		Reagan's first term was stellar.
		The second term, of course, wasn't quite so impressive, but...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree with that.
unidentified		I was a very...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, he goes beyond Reagan and beyond where I want to be a little bit.
		I'm just not excited at all yet about the election.
		Not about anybody.
unidentified		Well, me neither.
		Patrick Buchanan strikes me as being too far out into the right wing to attract enough of the central vote.
		And those that are really feeling rebellious are going to go for Mr. Perot again.
		You know, it's disappointing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that I would do that.
		I might.
		I think that Buchanan to me is the most interesting, but I tend to agree he's a little far out on the right.
		Clinton might eat him alive.
		He'd be a better candidate against Clinton than Dole, but that's not saying much.
unidentified		You really think so?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't think Dole's going to be much of anything against Clinton.
unidentified		I have an awful lot of respect for Dole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		He's shown himself to be such a statesman, really, to me.
unidentified		You know, he's got a lot of people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's a politician.
unidentified		Well, he is, you know, but how can you not be?
unidentified		You spend that much time in Washington, D.C., you're going to be, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I voted for Perot, and I thought he would have really gone back there and shook their trees.
unidentified		Yeah, me too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I doubt he would have remained very long.
		He'd have probably quit, been tossed out.
		But he'd have really shaken them up, and there would have been real change.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Sometimes change, you know, better or worse is good just to get rid of the status quo and think a little more fresh, just to consider new ways of approaching problems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He would have done that.
unidentified		Corporate America has learned that over time.
unidentified		I worked at different companies that really begin to address change as a positive thing, not always negative, and our political establishment has a hard time dealing with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		I wish I could say there was somebody out there that I was really excited about.
		I wish I could excited somebody out there.
		There isn't.
		Not a one.
		Except the one that you don't know about yet, maybe, Colin Powell.
		But who's Colin Powell?
		You know, nobody knows.
		So we can't get too excited.
		You know, I don't like that because I like being excited about somebody.
		And Pat Buchanan is as close as I can get right now.
		It was obvious those down in Texas liked Pat and did not much like Bob Dole.
		I think Bob Dole's already in trouble.
		I really do.
		You know, the major media is selling Bob Dole as the guy who's going to get it.
		I don't think I agree with that.
		I think he's being overblown and sold by the major media as the guy you're going to have to be.
		Right now, frankly, Pat Buchanan seems to me to be the guy you gotta be.
unidentified		SHUT UP!
		SHUT UP!
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Art, how you doing?
		Okay.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Tracy from Fairmount City, Illinois.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I just had a couple things there when you were talking about the kitty cats there.
unidentified		I just want to say you kind of got to earn their respect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I said was that dogs are easy.
		I mean, they like anybody.
		Which is fine if you're just anybody.
		But, I mean, if you want to cultivate a delicate, complex relationship, then you have a cat.
unidentified		I have both dogs and cats.
		Really?
		Yes.
		Two dogs and two cats.
		And they all get along just fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd like my two cats to get along.
		They hate each other's.
		Well, that's not true.
		My big cat hates my little cat.
		Hates its guts.
		Wishes it would die.
unidentified		Oh, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And about that van they found up in Michigan?
unidentified		I've seen that this morning on TV also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, what would a bunch of guys with a whole bunch dying might be out to do?
unidentified		Yeah, I kind of wondered that myself.
		Now, they didn't say who they were on TV.
		When I seen it, they weren't saying anything.
		They just said they pulled over the van and they arrested a few people and they exploded the bombs.
		And that's as far as they went.
		Which is kind of surprising.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there must have been a mission.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Yeah, to be carrying stuff like that, there has to be something wrong because they had guns also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they weren't out to blow up a bunch of tree stumps or something?
unidentified		No, I wouldn't think so.
unidentified		They were probably up to something, and thank God they got caught.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it'd be fun to have some dynamite.
unidentified		Yeah, but it'd be awful dangerous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, life is full of danger.
		But, I mean, just take it out and blow a can higher than you've ever blown one or something, you know.
		It'd be fun to fool with.
unidentified		Did you know what you were doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Didn't you ever blow cans into the air with firecrackers?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, imagine what a, you know, like a five-gallon paint can, say, in one stick of dynamite.
		Put that sucker into orbit.
		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		Yeah, it'd be fun to fool with dynamite.
		But they don't let us do that.
		Too bad you can't go down to the local store and just get some fun dynamite.
		Can't do that anymore.
		Terrorists have ruined the whole thing.
		Something that had really put a cherry bomb to shame.
		There was a day earlier in this country when we were not so, quote, civilized, end quote, when you could go out and have fun with explosives.
		Does anybody talk about that anymore?
		No.
		Is it even in to talk about it anymore?
		No.
		Do I care?
		No.
		I would think getting out there with a lot of dynamite, several sticks, and doing some different stuff and just playing around, having fun, be a blast.
		Sorry.
		Unintended metaphor there.
		Be a lot of fun.
		I know a lot of people think that sounds nuts, but I mean, you know, just sort of blowing some minor stuff up.
		That'd be fun.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		I'm just wondering, I'm going to hang up, and I wondered if you, we were cut off the other night.
		If you were just about to get into your argument about the cat, whether it'd be better to have the cat and dog, cat or dog.
		And we were cut off.
		We got into another station.
		And I was ready to listen to it.
		I wonder if you can give me that sort of scenario in 25 words or less once I hang out.
		Well, how it came out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How it came out?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		You know, I can't, offhand, I believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe that the guy won who was forwarding the idea of cats as opposed to dogs.
		Why is that?
		Well, I really can't, you know, I'm sorry you missed it.
unidentified		Yeah, well, they cut me right off at 5 o'clock in the morning here.
		Oh, I see.
		It went into this other guy who's called the light of day or daylight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daylight, you know, whatever it is.
unidentified		Yeah, unfortunately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, G, I'm sorry you missed it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your view?
unidentified		Oh, my view?
		Yeah.
		Well, I had a cough with Spaniel Art, and he was beautiful.
		I loved him, and he passed away when he was 16.
		And that was last year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Last good ripe old age.
unidentified		Yeah, he lived a full life, and he died in my arms.
		And reading another verse, I've never had a cat.
		I've never had a cat.
		The dog was always, the puppy was always beside me when I'd walk into the door and I could have thanked him a week before that.
		And he would have still come back to me and started licking me all over.
		And I thought, as far as I'm concerned, dog's a man's best friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Cats, they have their own little way.
unidentified		Although I've never had a cat, so I can't say anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, there you are.
		All right.
		Now you can listen on the air.
		I am a cat person.
		actually an animal person i i really But they don't have the sophisticated finesse that a cat has.
		To be friends with a cat, you...
		Well, it's more of a...
		I don't even know why I'm trying to bother.
		But the relationship is more complex.
		now is that is that one way to put it uh...
		anybody Anybody can be friends with a dog.
		I mean, a dog is not really particular.
unidentified		A cat is particular.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Either a cat likes you or it does not like you.
		Dogs nearly always like you.
		Cats are more sensitive, intuitive, perceptive, clean.
		They are more choosy.
		Now, I know, and I don't really want to get into a big brouhaha this morning about dogs and cats.
		But that's basically what I've got to say about it.
		A cat, a cat is quite not so, not so, We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 14th, 1995.
		Music by Ben Thede
		Amen.
		Thank you.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 14th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Felix ruining a lot of vacations in Bermuda, then probably headed for the U.S. mainland.
		Another hurricane.
		It's going to be a long, long hurricane season to everybody.
		Terrorism planned, they say, at Kennedy Airport.
		So they're taking extra security precautions, asking people questions, searching cars, that sort of thing.
		If I were a terrorist, I'd just go hit another airport.
		We sure are a big, big target in this country.
		And somebody called me up, no, faxed me last hour and said, well, we're letting all of these things happen so that we can become a police state.
		I don't think so.
		But that will be the end effect, won't it?
		I think the days of just going to the airport and getting on an airplane, you know, without a lot of worry, those days are gone.
		The O.J. Simpson trial hanging on the biggest decision yet.
		If they allow the Furman tapes to be played for the jury, it's going to be the end.
		The straw that broke the prosecution's back.
		Furman will be seen to be a liar if these tapes contain what they allegedly do.
		Furman will be seen to be a man who thought about framing an innocent black man.
		And do you really think it's going to take more than that to prove a reasonable doubt?
		No.
		Johnny Cochran told reporters yesterday, it'll be the icing on the cake for an acquittal.
		And they may have an acquittal even without it, but with it, I think it is a done deal.
		The internet, the web, is it dangerous?
		Is it a savior?
		Is it something that ought to be regulated or let to grow free?
		Is it eventually something that will become an entity itself?
		We talked a little bit about that.
		A drug.
		What is a drug?
		David Kessler, FDA guy and recent advisor to the president on cigarettes, which he says are drugs, nicotine, and the cigarette nothing but the delivery system to the addict, says, quote, a drug is an article except for food intended to affect the Structure and function of the body.
		End quote.
		That would seem to include many other things.
		And I ask any of you to comment on this.
		In Oklahoma, there was a guy who was going to be, well, actually, now has been executed, but he was about to be executed, had a few hours to go, surprised everybody and said he'd like to take a little nap before the execution.
		He did.
		When they came to get him, he was unconscious, at death's door, had taken an overdose of something.
		So they rushed him to the hospital, revived him with extraordinary methods, nursed him back to health, took him back to jail where they executed him.
		Now, this doesn't say much about anything except us.
		What does it say about us?
		Somebody called earlier in response to the dog-cat discussion we had last week, and it produced the following facts from Aaron in Carson City.
		Of course, a cat has never pulled somebody from a burning building.
		If more mountain lions were kept as pets, well, then we might hear of such heroic cat rescues.
		But there are many stories of cats waking up their owners when a house was on fire.
		Meow, meow, meow.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		No, you're not.
		I guess we lost to you.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air, huh?
unidentified		Mr. Bill.
unidentified		This is Steve Reno.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Called last week.
unidentified		He said I could call anytime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'm the guy who gets nauseous over liberals.
		Okay, I think that deal, that prison, I think that's kind of a bit of a, we're going to get our bang for the buck here.
		You know, we even housing you, and we're going to put you death.
		You're not going to put yourself to death.
		That's number one.
		Number two, you want to quit smoking?
		I will tell you how to do so.
		What you do it is you figure out how much you actually smoke.
		Okay, like you smoke a pack a day.
		Every day or every couple days, you cut back a cigarette until you're down to virtually nothing.
		If you can, don't smoke a whole cigarette.
		Just smoke half of it and kind of snuff the rest of it out.
		You don't have to destroy the rest of the cigarette, you're just going to snuff it out.
		That was a technique used by my mother, and it was successful.
		She slowly withdrew the nicotine from her system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, one thing about that is it would cost you a lot of money.
unidentified		How's that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, if you kept smoking at the same rate and snuffed them out halfway through, you'd be costing yourself twice as much.
unidentified		Yeah, well, basically what you do is you smoke half a cigarette, and that's the reason why you don't destroy it.
unidentified		You just kind of kill the end of the cigarette and you save it for later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		You save it for later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		You don't destroy it, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		And you just, like I said, you slowly cut back, and you just, you know, if you smoke it, who knows, maybe in a couple months, you'd be, depending on how much you cut back, how fast you cut back, you'd be down to maybe a couple, three cigarettes a day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a good idea.
		Thank you.
		It's as good as any other.
		I told the earlier audience, you know I was going to try the patch.
		I did.
		And it made me sick as a dog.
		Oh, boy, did I get sick.
		Just didn't work.
		I mean, it did.
		I didn't want a cigarette.
		I didn't want anything else either.
		I was like a zombie.
		Kind of nauseated, dizzy.
		Finally went into bed.
		This was Sunday prior to Dreamland.
		Went into bed and just laid down.
		I was, oh man, I felt terrible.
		Finally took it off.
		And what I concluded was that the cigarette that I smoke is ridiculed by real smokers.
		You know, I won't tell you what it is, but it has the lowest nicotine on the market.
		And I think the patch had too much, and it poisoned me.
		So I was trying to think of all kinds of things to do, but you can't cut the patches because then you ruin the time release mechanism of them.
		So I'm going to have to get some lower-powered patches, I guess.
		Suckers are expensive.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Yeah.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		I'm calling from Tempe, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I had a comment about the prisoner that you mentioned in Oklahoma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that make any sense?
unidentified		Well, I was wondering, I wonder if the prison was actually afraid of any possible legal ramifications that the family of the prisoner might, like, say, sue or something like that, because the prison let the prisoner take his own life.
unidentified		Do you think there's any possibility in that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It just doesn't make sense.
unidentified		Yeah, you're right.
		It doesn't.
		But just wanted to ask you about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I guess they finally got him to the point.
		Well, do you feel okay now?
		Are you okay?
		Are you ready?
		All right, now it's time to die.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Can you believe that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		And then there was this earlier, and it seems to have been confirmed by another listener.
		Art, I heard at 7 a.m. today that in an early morning routine traffic stop in Lansing, Michigan, they found six men in black clothes in a van loaded with dynamite.
		They were not the Michigan militia, the report stated.
		Betty, Salem, Oregon.
		Thank you, Betty.
		Six guys dressed in black with dynamite.
		Now, what do you think they were up to?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, turn your radio off.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		David, turn the radio off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, turn it off.
unidentified		Turn me off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Art, my name is Eric.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Eric.
unidentified		Your picture doesn't look anything like I thought it would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm always curious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you think I would look?
unidentified		Like, with sort of like long hair and like a mustache and a beard or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have a mustache.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I mean, like a bigger one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean like one of those twisters?
unidentified		No, just like a heavy one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not a heavy one.
unidentified		No.
unidentified		I was wondering if you ever heard of the Fa-Fa-Pui connection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Call the wildcard lines, Area 702-727-1295.
unidentified		Or Fa-Fa-Fui.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		On the West of the Rockies line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		It's Todd Berkeley again, KFO.
		Hello.
		About the V-CHIP, somebody called in earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I was listening to another program, and this older gentleman came up with something just really brilliant.
unidentified		He was tying it in with this UN convention that Hillary's going to be going to in China.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's debated.
unidentified		Well, no, he was saying that according to this UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, the child would have rights pretty much on equal footing with adults.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Convention Hillary is going to, sir, is on women.
unidentified		Yes, okay.
		Anyway, on the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, the child would be able to watch whatever they wanted, ostensibly.
		And so this B-CHIP would be in contravention of the UN treaty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I never thought about that.
unidentified		Yeah, I didn't either.
		I mean, the old guy had it on the ball.
		And about drugs.
		We all know that coffee is going to be next because it's been proven that they have been manipulating caffeine levels.
		Right.
		Well, that's about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		Well, first these smokes.
		Rip them from your hands.
		Then will come coffee.
		Surely coffee is, by definition, a drug.
		Coffee, I don't think coffee is food, is it?
		Now, I'm going by the David Kessler's definition of what a drug is.
		Coffee would certainly qualify, wouldn't it?
		It would be outside the food category, and it definitely produces changes to your body.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, our digger in Racine, Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I just had a question.
		You've been talking about your smoking.
		You might know the answer.
		Maybe know a way to find it out.
		I read a book one time from the library.
		It was called Sugar Blues.
		Have you ever heard of it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can imagine what it's about.
unidentified		Well, the author really stated that in certain countries in Europe where they do not use sugar to cure their tobacco, that there's absolutely no correlation between heart trouble and cancer and smoking.
		Now, I'd be very curious if that's true.
		Maybe it's only necessary to change your brain instead of to give it up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe, but the active or controversial addictive substance is nicotine.
unidentified		Well, that's the thing they're complaining about is being addictive, but I don't think they've ever shown any correlation between heart trouble, cancer, and nicotine, nor have they ever, as far as I know, ever proved one case conclusively caused by smoking.
		Only say that a higher percentage of people who smoke have these diseases.
		Now, that could be their lifestyle that's only partly involved with smoking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's true.
unidentified		But I'd be very curious if you have the connections that could ever find out if there is any truth to that statement that these people that are supposedly smoking cigarettes that have tobacco not cured with sugar do really have a difference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'll investigate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I'd appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll see what I can find out.
		I have no idea.
		I would have imagined the curing method not to make a great deal of difference unless there's tobacco company executives sneaking into the curing vats in the middle of the night, throwing in extraneous amounts of nicotine, as a certain senator I think suspects.
unidentified		Screams Screams Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm on the air right now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, turn your radio off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We do not screen pause.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is real live radio.
unidentified		Yeah, how are you doing, Art?
		All right.
		You know, my sister told me something today.
		She was at a party and she heard somebody.
		Somebody told her that, I don't know, you might want to confirm this, but she heard that Saddam Hussein requested a selling to Morocco.
		I don't know, though.
		That might be something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As you know, his sister's and defense minister, guy who ran the war, knows all the secrets, has defected to Jordan.
unidentified		Yeah, I know all that.
		I've been watching CNN and all that stuff.
		But, you know, she just heard that.
		I just want to see if anybody could confirm it or something, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Wait, one more thing.
unidentified		You ever interviewed Bob Lazar?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Are you going to do it again?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Possibly.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Take care.
		On the first-time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Ark.
		Hello.
		This is Bob calling from Omaha, Nebraska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Bob.
unidentified		The mighty KFAB lives in there.
		Hey, when the old hailbop happens to come by here in a couple of years, it'd be great if NASA gets some little probe that since it's so big, and if it doesn't hit the Earth, NASA could get some probes to shoot up there and land on it and just take a ride all around with it.
		Wouldn't that be wonderful?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Somebody else called.
		We were just, of course, doing a what-if, but they said, what if it really was headed to the Earth and we could do nothing about it?
		Well, then NASA should send up a probe and put a camera on it so that we can watch it come toward Earth.
		Now, would that be dramatic or what?
unidentified		That would be.
		I'm sure CNN would cover that, too.
		And also, if the O.J. Simpson trial ends before the comet hits us, one thing I'm really Looking forward to are the interviews by Doug Llewellyn afterwards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now to Wolf Blitzer for the latest on the White House, from the White House, on the comet.
unidentified		On the comet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And the president would come on and say, ladies and gentlemen, there's nothing to worry about.
		This is not a bad comet.
		It's going to miss.
		I mean, it is the one instance I said last week in which you'd want to have President Clinton in the White House, a guy who would tell you anything.
unidentified		Right.
		And then we'd see Hillary dressed up in her leather, having fun with dynamite.
		Thank you much.
		I appreciate it.
		Love listening to your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Before you leave, am I right or wrong about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would most guys like to play around with dynamite?
unidentified		I know I'd like to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See?
unidentified		I mean, just a few adult supervision.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		You know, put it under a trash can.
		Watch it go nearly into orbit.
		We're talking about this.
		I know it sounds really not politically correct, you know, in this day and age, but I used to like to make bombs out of various things, and I won't describe it because inevitably some fool would try it at home and kill themselves.
		But dynamite is a real thing, you know, a few sticks here and there, and you could have a lot of fun.
		Bury it, see how big a hole you could blow in the ground.
		See how far you could throw a can into the air, that kind of thing.
		An extension of the cherry bomb, which you can't get anymore anyway.
		A wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, good.
		God, I've been dialing both numbers and I didn't know which one I had.
		This is from Phoenix, Arizona, KFYI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Okay, I heard Donna Shalala on the TV tonight saying that it was illegal for kids to smoke.
		Now, it's not illegal for kids to smoke.
		It's illegal for them to buy cigarettes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		How can she say that it's illegal for them to smoke?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, she just said it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
unidentified		If they're not doing anything with a drug problem, how can they do anything with the cigarette problem?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's good politics, they think.
unidentified		Somebody's out in the left field somewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you see, President Clinton already knows he's dead meat down in the South.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They don't like him.
unidentified		I'm sure they don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, in the Carolinas and tobacco-growing country, he's not going to get many votes anyway, so he figured, what the hell?
		Everybody thinks kids should not smoke.
		It's like coming out for motherhood.
		It's good.
unidentified		All right, I'm 64 years old.
		I started smoking when I was 13.
		I hate to admit that, but I did.
		And right now, there's nothing at all wrong with me.
		My lungs are all right.
		I have no problem with smoking.
		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I went to the doctor the other day, and he listened to my lungs.
		He said, you're clear.
		But I still, I want to try to quit.
		I want to try.
unidentified		Well, I probably, you know, if they were addictive as much as they say they are, my God, I'd be smoking about four cartons a day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not sure addictive in the sense that you always need more.
unidentified		Well, they say it's addictive.
unidentified		It's like the drugs are addictive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		the more you take the more you need yeah but believe me sir if I took your Pack, pack and a half?
unidentified		I smoke three packs a day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if I were to take those away from you, you'd become a screaming, raving maniac.
unidentified		Well, I have quit for three or four days at a time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And I bet you were a screaming maniac.
		No, sir.
unidentified		I was not.
		No.
		My wife puts up with me.
		I wasn't screaming or a raving maniac or anything else.
		By the way, I think you're right about Buchanan against Perot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what do you mean against Perot?
unidentified		Well, I mean, I think Buchanan would be the better of the two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, the man to put up instead of Perot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		don't think that's the question i think is he Is he the man to put up instead of Dole?
		And I would rather see Pat Buchanan than I would Bob Dole.
		But I'm going to be honest with you.
		I'm not excited about either one.
		Completely.
		I've not picked anybody, in essence.
		That kind of bothers me.
		I wish I had somebody I could go yay, yay, yay for, but there is no such person yet.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 14, 1995.
		Coast to Coast AM from August
		14, 1995.
		Coast to Coast AM from August 14, 1995.
		Coast to Coast AM from August 14, 1995.
		Rebecca Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired August 14th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dear Art, a few years back during an ice storm, my aunt and uncle's lives were saved by a cat.
		Seems the storm knocked out the electricity, so my uncle lit charcoal to stay warm.
		Big mistake.
		Both were knocked out by CO gas.
		Their cat, in a frenzy, awoke my aunt, and she was able to drag my uncle outside fresh air.
		I'm sure there are many, many such heroic cat stories around.
		Chuck in Charleston, South Carolina says, P.S. It was very hot today here in South Carolina.
		Heat index, 114 degrees.
		With respect to Shannon Faulkner, even if it cools down, she won't make it a month.
		We'll see.
		Hello, Art.
		Take away my beer, and I get by.
		Take away my smokes, I somehow survive.
		When for some reason I don't have coffee, I'm in a world of hurt.
		One time, when broke and without coffee, I would go to the 7-Eleven and fill my cup up and then pretend I had forgotten to bring my wallet.
		The clerks would then say, no problem, drop it off later.
		In other words, Art, this old man will do anything to get a cup of Java.
		Well, enjoy it while you can, sir.
		And then finally, hey, Art.
		Well, here I go.
		I've decided to weigh in on the cat-dog fight.
		In response to the facts that a cat has never pulled anybody from a burning building or saved someone from drowning, a cat, on the other hand, has never mauled a small child to death either, which happens all too frequently anymore throughout the country.
		By the way, the GIF Comet 1 is great.
		Put up some stats and some documentation, maybe a text file.
		I think I've done that from Ivan in Lincoln, Nebraska.
		It is great.
		This is a photograph from a 90-inch telescope, and I strongly suggest that you get a hold of it.
		It is at least twice the size of the other image that we had.
		It is entitled Comet1.gif, and it is on our bulletin board, which is open 24 hours a day.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Art, Podo, Oklahoma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		On the dog versus the cat.
unidentified		You know, I'm a dog lover, great Dane to be particular, but a few years ago, I lived in Northern California, about 40 miles south of your flag station up in Medford.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I rescued, lived in the Scott Valley, and I rescued from the barn kind of a lame, slightly lame little kitten.
		We used to keep cats up there, barely feed them to keep them around and all.
		And I rescued this kitten, brought it down to the house.
		No one really particularly cared or liked it, and they somehow nicknamed it Judas, his little black female kitten.
		But you know, that thing would follow me out into the field to set the irrigation pipe, some 400 feet of it, and it just bounced through that, about 6 o'clock in the morning, bounce through that wet oats, and it'd follow me into town.
		It would sit at the back door of the restaurant.
		Unbelievable.
		I would call it, and if it was anywhere near my voice, it would come.
		It would come.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that's kind of uncat-like.
unidentified		Well, I never really too much understood what was going on in this cat's mind.
		But at night, if I left the door open in the silly bathroom, I had one of these very deep tubs with a slanted back, I'd fill that thing up all the way to the top with hot water, and I'd soak in that thing.
		And if that door was open, that cat would jump up on top of that little ledge there and kind of skid around a little bit and fall in, and I'd have to pick it up and put it on the floor, and it would do it again, and there would be like soap suds in it, and as long as it could get over next to me, it was fine.
		But I never could figure out what was in that cat's mind.
		Maybe that I rescued it or something up there from the barn, because it was kind of puny and wasn't getting along too well with the rest of them.
		And when we feed it, it kind of get nosed out real quick like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a sign of a grateful cat, sir, yes.
		The problem I'm having is that my big cat, my 16 or 17, actually he's lost about a pound, maybe two, because this new little cat of mine's chasing him all over the house.
		He's never had to exercise so much.
		And he hates her.
		I mean, he hates her guts.
		I think he wishes her dead.
		And they fight, and then at other times they sort of halfway tolerate each other.
		But more often than not, they fight.
		And so I don't know what to do about it.
		He's even angry at me for bringing her into the house.
		Now, she's a lover.
		She'll come up and she'll actually hug you.
		It's the doggunest thing you ever saw.
		Climb up and hug you around the neck.
		She will purr.
		She loves human beings.
		She even loves him.
		She tries to lick him.
		He bites her.
		It's really pathetic.
		And obviously, he is spoiled.
		And I don't know whether he's, you know, he's got to work this out.
		It's a big psychological problem.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Hart.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		They're full morning.
unidentified		They're so busy it's really hard to get through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad you made it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's on your mind?
unidentified		Your show is definitely the art of bell.
		Okay.
		Now the Chris crisis situations.
		You know, they terrify me more with all these, I don't know, threats of terrorists.
		It's like the government, like who has the most to gain from all these crisis situations we're having, you know?
		I mean, we don't.
		The people don't have anything to gain.
		It's scary.
		And the smoking thing, as far as my concern on Clinton, I don't really think Clinton cares about kids.
		I think he wants these kids healthy for this New World Order government job they're going to get, sending socialism.
		I don't think he cares a darn about whether the kids are, you know, smoke or not.
		Just keep them healthy so they don't have to pay the health care bill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thanks.
		I don't think there's any New World Order anyway.
		I think it's all a bunch of baloney.
		There's no New World Order.
		Pat Buchanan got a big round of stand-up applause, and he said, when I take the oath of office, that'll be the end of the New World Order.
		Well, there's nothing really other than a sort of a natural progression toward internationalism, and that's real.
		And I think that's the problem that I've got with Pat.
		We can't change that.
		We're a strong country.
		We've always been a strong country.
		But the trend is toward internationalism, certainly economically.
		That's already here.
		You can't.
		What are you going to do?
		You're going to stop that?
		Would Pat Buchanan stop international trading?
		Would he stop international monetary exchanges?
		I mean, exactly what does this new nationalism mean?
		I don't know.
		So I like a lot of what Pat says, but for me, he's a little radical.
		And for me, Dole is a big yawn.
		And the Graham campaign has not got up and gone anywhere, even with all the money.
		There's just nobody out there, the governor of California, give me a break.
		No way he's going to be nominated.
		The White House keeps saying that he scares them the most.
		I don't know why.
		He's not going to be nominated.
		Pat Buchanan is much more likely to be nominated than Pete Wilson.
		I just, I have no excitement out there for anybody.
		Very lethargic about the campaign.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Oh, Art.
		I think only normal people played with bombs and rockets.
		Do you?
		M80s, cherry bombs, and I remember a friend of mine almost blew his head off with a matchhead mortar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		M80s, they're great.
		I wish you could still get those, but I mean, why not go all the way?
		I mean, didn't you ever wonder, would it be great to have some dynamite or what?
unidentified		Yeah, we used to build our own bombs out of gunpowder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But look at that.
		I've done that.
unidentified		That Stewart Observatory image, that must take nearly a half hour to download.
unidentified		That's a four-megapixel image, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It'd take forever to download that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not if you've got a good modem.
unidentified		You'd really have to boost it to get that.
unidentified		There's a few calculations on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What speed is your modem, sir?
unidentified		Well, at 9,600, I calculated it'd take a half hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
		You calculate wrong.
		I bet you could download that in under five minutes.
unidentified		Boy, you'd have to be screaming at four megapixels times two bytes each.
unidentified		That's a lot of bits.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it isn't.
		Not for my 9,600.
		You take that in under five minutes, guaranteed.
unidentified		That Hailbop comet did a few calculations.
		I got the orbital elements.
		This thing, when it's farthest away from the sun, is 300 astronomical units away, and that's about 10 times as far as Pluto.
		So this is far out, probably the outer range of what they call the Kuiper belt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's out past Jupiter and Sagittarius, I believe.
unidentified		Well, it's even farther than that.
		300 astronomical units is 10 times as far as Pluto.
		It's out really in interstellar space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, see, that's why everybody is so concerned.
		It ought not look that big that far away.
unidentified		Well, right now, it's just about as far away as Jupiter and it's incoming.
		The period of this thing, if you calculate it, it might be greater than 5,000 years.
		So the last time it visited us may have been at the time when they were building pyramids.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've heard estimates ranging from 2,000 to 3,000 years.
unidentified		Those are refined.
		Yeah, it's several thousand years, though.
		I just did some rough numbers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And is Hoagland going to take a look at this thing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Do you think he'll see a face on it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not until it gets closer.
unidentified		This is going to be an interesting thing, though.
unidentified		Even if it just gets close to our orbit, it's going to leave a lot of debris.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do agree, sir.
		Thank you.
		Oh, yes.
		It's going to be interesting, all right.
		The image we've got of it is really good.
		It'll be in the newsletter.
		I'm going to just keep doing this, I'm telling you.
		Our newsletter will contain whatever is going on, whatever we can lay our hands on, all the cool stuff.
		So, get the newsletter.
		It's $29.95 a year, and it's worth it.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		How you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		You know, when you first came on NPC, I was on the phone waiting for you, and I've missed you by three rings, I think, to congratulate you to be the first one out here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in North Hollywood, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		North Hollywood.
unidentified		I was picking up through a new listener.
unidentified		I think I tuned you in about three weeks ago through, was it KDOU, or KDXU, Utah?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And that was a hard one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then all of a sudden, there we were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Camden.
unidentified		There you were, and now I'm really upset because I was a big fan of Alan Brand Staters, and you're taking most of his time up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, I don't know him.
unidentified		He knows you.
unidentified		He spoke very highly of you, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's kind.
unidentified		And he's on one of the other stations.
		But he's in a midnight slot, too.
		Oh, I think every other night he's midnight, and then he comes on at like 7 every other day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Must be hard.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I just wonder how hard it's going to be on him.
		Because I sort of plugged you over at his station.
		I didn't give him the time slot, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're very glad to be in Los Angeles, of course.
unidentified		Oh, it's great.
		It's a breath of fresh air, let me tell you.
		First off, you really want to quit smoking cigarettes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, I wouldn't go spend money on those stupid patches if I didn't.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Did you pay $160 or something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, it was $70-something dollars.
unidentified		Yeah, I know, if you're on, like, Medicare or something like that, they give them to you for $6.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I'm not.
unidentified		Yeah, I know what you mean.
		But there's another, there's a way that I was sent, and I know somebody had quit this way, and they say if you just follow it, supposedly 100% of the people that follow the routine quit and what you do is you wrap a piece of paper around your cigarette pack put a rubber band around it.
		Every time you want a cigarette you unwrap it you write the date the time of the cigarette and then you decide at that point well can I wait ten minutes?
		And if you can you continue wrap it back up put it away 10 minutes later you still want a cigarette while you smoke it.
		But then when you smoke it you smoke it with your other hand and you know how you usually smoke between your index finger and your forefinger.
		Well you smoke between your other different fingers.
		So you're basically changing your routine constantly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
unidentified		And having to unwrap it and put the rubber band around it becomes a pain in the butt after a while.
unidentified		But if you can keep doing it, they say within about six weeks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why not get a big metal lock box and put your cigarettes in there and then inside another box with a combination lock that you might forget?
unidentified		Well, it'll be a little hard to carry around in your top pocket.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
unidentified		But let's see.
unidentified		Gosh, there's something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I wonder.
		I vacillate.
		I mean, I want to quit.
		But then do I really?
unidentified		Yeah, this is true.
		I think everybody does deep down.
		But it's just one of those.
		I see, I was the person in my family.
		They never expected to smoke.
		I mean, everybody in my family smoked.
		I'm the middle.
		sister started smoking at like nine which was horrible and uh...
		i mean it was I would just get clogged up.
		So he's never going to smoke.
		We don't have to worry about him.
		But about the age of 16, when I first experienced my first few beers, it became a little easier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, eventually I think all smokers are going to be ethnically cleansed.
unidentified		Yeah, it will happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it will happen.
		That's right.
		Thank you.
		There will be the end of smoking.
		And then it is already moving socially from no longer acceptable to polite or even impolite disdain.
		And eventually, I can see in a decade or two, there'll be discrimination.
		Really, there already is.
		And then when they finally got cigarettes, they're going to start in on coffee.
		You know they are.
		Coffee fits Mr. Kessler's definition of a drug.
		It changes the bodily functions.
		It is not food.
		Therefore, it is a drug.
		You know they're going to go after it.
		just know they are.
		you West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Has anybody ever called and told you about one thing if they happen to hit one of the last numbers wrong when you're dialing fast, what you get?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you get?
unidentified		I don't know, but I hope they don't bill me for it.
unidentified		Well, they can't really because I'm at a payphone, but this woman comes on there and it's pretty hot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		It's one of them sex line numbers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah, just one of the last two numbers if your finger slips off the button just right and hits the wrong number, you get a real interesting call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wonder how many people think they've reached my program when they get that?
unidentified		I don't know, but she comes on right away.
		You don't have to wait for her to answer.
		But, yeah, as far as O.J. Simpson goes, I'm getting tired of hearing about him.
		That's getting old.
		Newt Gingrich, as far as I'm concerned about him, he's an idiot.
		Well, one question.
		Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		what do you mean he's an idiot give me an example of what of them He just seems like a bimbo to me.
unidentified		You know, if he was a blonde and female, you know, he'd be a bubble-headed bleach blonde.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		I just don't like the guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		can tell i mean what what is it about him know that It just seems too arrogant and stuff, Nerdy.
unidentified		Like, I've seen him on what is that, not CNN, but, you know, on C-SPAN Garbage.
		And I see him on there sitting up there, you know, like old King Tut sitting up there like that one show where he's sitting up there next to Clinton, you know, like, you know, he's got the world by the tail and stuff, you know.
		I don't know.
		I just don't like him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I have one question for you, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I don't know if you heard this one or not before, but you know why Mrs. Clinton wears all them high-neck collars and stuff sometimes and turtleneck sweaters and stuff for her?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		So when Bill speaks, you can't see her Adam's Apple move.
unidentified		Anyway, I'll leave you alone with that one now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		Goodbye.
		She wears a high neck something.
		So when Bill speaks, you can't see her Adam's Apple move.
		That actually wasn't bad.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Rob.
unidentified		I'm on Highway 80 out of Sacramento.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Rob.
unidentified		Hey, just cigarette tobacco stuff.
		Yeah.
		What are they going to do next?
		How about saturated fat?
		Isn't that pretty bad for you?
		Terrible.
		Terrible.
		And the other thing on your newsletter, when are you going to start putting it on CD-ROM?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		That's an honest answer.
		I have no idea.
unidentified		Because I know some magazines are starting to do that.
unidentified		It's pretty neat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would be neat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a good idea.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Well, nice talking to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend.
		Thank you.
		CD-ROM CD-ROM.
		Other people want it on audio tape, and I've thought of that.
		We may get to that.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Moriart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Calling from San Diego?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		About this, David Kessler's latest statement?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On drugs, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, it seems to me that that's a pretty broad statement or a pretty broad definition.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would include coffee.
unidentified		Yeah, it would.
		And what I was thinking is it would include things like supplements and vitamins and things.
		Sugar?
		Yeah.
		It would include a whole range of things.
		If they wanted to start regulating like crazy, that could give them their open door right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		I think you've got it.
		Thank you very much for the call, sir.
		It would depend on the definition of food.
		He accepted that, but that's all.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 14, 1995.
		We'll be right back.
		We'll be right back.
		You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 14, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Check this out.
		Hi, Art.
		I used to work at a dynamite factory in Missouri.
		Yes, it is fun to set off explosives.
		We used to initiate new employees to the power of dynamite by giving them a demonstration.
		We'd take them out to a field on the plant's property and put a five-pound, that's big stick, in a small pond.
		The charge was set off with a car battery, and the resulting blast blew water out of the small pond to a height of about a couple hundred feet.
		Then we took the shaken, slightly wet new hires back to carefully handle the product.
		Also, one amazing thing that I witnessed, when dynamite was randomly tested for performance, they placed a single stick on the sand floor of an open test pit and set it off, leaving only a small indentation in the sand.
		Occasionally, the operator would get cute and place the lid from the cardboard box.
		That's the dynamite that comes packaged in on top of the stick.
		This created enough pressure when detonated that it blew a two-to three-foot-deep crater in the sand.
		And, of course, sandblasted everybody in the vicinity.
		See you later.
		Great show, Tom, in Columbia, Missouri.
		You know, you just can't do that kind of thing in America anymore.
		Whatever happened to the great open spaces where you could take a few sticks of dynamite and go out and have some fun?
		Now, I know that sounds radical to a lot of people, but it is fun.
		Don't you remember, you know, one of the best times I ever had in my whole life was going down to Tijuana, where you could still buy cherry bombs, at least.
		and you go to the cliffs and throw them off the cliff.
		and uh of course if you wait just a few seconds uh it never makes it to the bottom and it it explodes in mid-air that was really fun that's that's really fun and um but still it could not compare to a good old stick of dynamite but you just you know you can't do that anymore I mean people think you're nuts.
		Maybe you are.
		But it's one of those man things, you know.
		Women don't seem to appreciate it unless they can sit back in a lawn chair and watch a few nice little innocent fireworks go off, and they like that.
		But they don't like things that go boom.
		Guys are different.
		They like things that go boom.
		And I really have always enjoyed things that go boom.
		Big boom.
		The bigger the boom, the better.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Is this our bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, yes.
unidentified		This is Heidi in Billingham, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Heidi.
unidentified		Listening to KGMI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
unidentified		And I have tried probably every different way there is to quit smoking, and I have a real proved method here.
		What you do is you get the Nicorette gum, and you begin to follow the directions.
		It's really important because you can like it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've tried it, I should have.
unidentified		I've tried it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Well, what happened?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it did reduce the craving, but it tasted lousy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And oh man, it just tasted lousy.
unidentified		It's pretty nasty.
		But what I did is, I mean, you're going through some definite withdrawal.
		I mean, otherwise you wouldn't need it.
		So you'd start out chewing it, like the directions say, and then what I would do is after the first week I cut them in half, and then I would only chew half of one.
		And then the next week, I cut them in quarters.
		And the next week I started adding in regular dick-gum, you know, that you can do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One other little problem.
		What?
		I smoke more when I am under stress.
unidentified		Oh, well, don't we all?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, well, I'm generally under the most stress when I'm on the air.
unidentified		When you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Well, the only thing that saved me, and I am now smoking again, but I quit for three and a half years using that method, was a little plastic fake cigarette that I had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now that might help.
unidentified		Yeah, while I was on the phone or driving in the car, those times after a meal, I'd just stick it out in my mouth.
unidentified		I have some.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do feel like Pavlov's dog.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whenever I pick up the telephone, I've got to have a smoke.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is that?
unidentified		I don't know.
		It's your security, I guess, maybe.
		I don't know.
		I found something called Smokeless Cigarettes distributed by Ultratech Corporation in Dresher, Pennsylvania.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've heard about them.
unidentified		Well, I mean, it feels like you've got one in your hand and in your mouth.
unidentified		You just better not light it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean it doesn't like a cigarette?
unidentified		I don't think so.
unidentified		The only other comment I have is the gentleman, the three-pack a day caller, who says he can quit for several days and doesn't have any withdrawal symptoms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I think that he must be related to Clinton.
unidentified		He just must not be an alien.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Since you're a woman, I have a question for you.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you consider it to be fun to play with dynamite?
unidentified		Oh, absolutely not.
unidentified		You've been watching too many Roadrunner cartoons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you very much.
		See, that really is typical, and I'm not putting women down at all.
		It's just that they don't think the same stuff is cool that men do.
		That's all.
		Look, I'm not joking.
		I'm telling you, it would be a blast.
		Sorry.
		It would be fun.
		F-U-N.
		Fun.
		I don't mean to be hitting you with sickening mistaken metaphors.
		It would be fun.
		And I've played with M80s.
		You remember those, don't you?
		Silver-colored with the fuse in the middle.
		They're about as close as you can get without really being there.
		Now, somebody who knows might tell me, one average stick of dynamite, how much more of a bang does that produce than an M80?
		I seem to recall somebody saying an M80 was like a quarter of a stick or something like that.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you play with dynamite?
unidentified		Would I play with dynamite?
unidentified		I probably would as long as the person playing with it was very, very careful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course you're going to be careful with dynamite.
		It's a big bang, so you're going to be careful.
		But I mean, given a couple of sticks, would you go out somewhere, way out in the middle of nowhere, and set it off?
unidentified		Well, sure.
		Sure.
		I'd like to see the effect.
		You know, it would be interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		I did call, though, about the Shannon Faulkner thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It's really kind of got me fired up that the media is so intent on making it clear that Shannon had a problem with the heat yesterday.
		I'd really like to see her go through this whole thing and do better than a lot of the guys.
		I really would.
		I was in the military myself for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it doesn't look like that's happening, though.
unidentified		I'm sorry?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I say it doesn't look like that is occurring.
unidentified		Well, that's not necessarily true.
unidentified		I mean, there were four men that failed because of the heat yesterday also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But out of how many?
unidentified		Well, how many women were there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bunch.
unidentified		But it cracks me up that these guys want to see her fail so bad.
unidentified		They're so afraid of losing some of their precious masculinity, you know, to see a woman do something that they can do that's worked for them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, now I see why you answered my dynamite question the way you did.
unidentified		No, I truly would.
		I mean, my husband likes with the fireworks and stuff, he's very dangerous with them.
		And it gets my energy going.
		And I do enjoy that to a certain extent.
		But, yeah, it's just, it's curious to me that guys are so blown out of proportion over this Shannon Faulkner thing.
		I mean, if she can make it, let her go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know why it is?
		It's because we don't think she ought to be there.
		And I don't think she ought to be there either.
unidentified		But why is that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because it's a guy place.
unidentified		Because it's a masculinity thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		You are afraid that she will do as well, if not better, than some of the men do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And before it's over, they'll probably be making videotapes and calling it Faulkner's follies.
unidentified		I just wish people wouldn't be so hard on the woman because...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They've got all-women places, right?
		Are guys crashing into those?
		No.
unidentified		But this is not.
		I think it's funny because the guys like to say, you know, that a woman couldn't make it here.
		And they will say that as long as they don't give a woman a chance to make it there.
		That's the same thing they did with me.
		I went on a 100-mile march when I was in the Army, and it was a volunteer thing.
		And a couple of my male friends there signed me up for it for a joke.
		So I said, okay, I'll go ahead and go through with it.
		And I did, and I did better than a lot of the men did.
		And they quit talking after that.
		And a lot of them were a little distant from me because they could no longer say, you know, you could never do it.
		And I thought it was pretty funny.
		But I'd like to see her make it.
		I really would.
		And I just called to say that.
		I love your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, thank you very much for the call.
		I don't have anything against Shannon Faulkner.
		I just'm sorry to see some of the traditional all-male bastions fall.
		That's all.
		And I have no joy, really, in seeing her fail.
		Or seeing her get in trouble or anything else.
		But what's the matter with having some places that are all-male?
		Or all female?
		And they've got plenty of those.
		And do you see guys crashing into those schools trying to get in?
		No, you don't.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, good morning, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		Hey, I've been listening to you for quite a bit, and I've heard that you're interested in UFOs and that type of phenomenon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am.
unidentified		And do you ever take suggestions for guests for your Dreamland program?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		Well, there's a gentleman that's written a fair number of books about UFOs that I found very interesting.
		Who did?
		His name is Dr. Frank E. Stranges.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Dr. Stranges, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He came to Las Vegas not long ago, and I was going to have him on, but we never connected.
unidentified		Well, I do have a phone number where you can contact him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're welcome.
		You can't give it to me now, because I don't want to give it over the air.
		Correct.
		So, fax it to me or mail it to me.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Can I get your fax number over there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You may indeed.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Well, thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Why do operators always say nine instead of nine?
		Good morning, Art.
		What saddens me most about Mickey Mantle's passing, boy, there's been a lot of publicity, is that until the day he died, he couldn't be shaken from the notion that he had somehow let himself and his fans down.
		That someone as accomplished and beloved as Maddle should feel this way gives me cause to wonder who suffers the greater tragedy.
		Those of us who ask nothing of ourselves or those who ask too much?
		Rest in peace, Mick, Gene in L.A. I have been marveling at the amount of publicity.
		But of course, he was a big figure in baseball in the days of baseball when they really played.
		Sorry to see anybody's passing.
		Mickey apparently was worried that he had a genetic disorder that was going to kill him by 40.
		So he lived as though he would only live until 40.
		Drank, womanized, I guess, did whatever he wanted to do, and died early as a result of it.
		Not the genetic problem, but liver trouble.
		Liver cancer.
		Wild card line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Well, good morning, Art.
unidentified		This is Clayton Donald Laughlin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Long time that I've talked to you.
		You've been very popular lately.
		Yes.
		It's interesting how you just got this call on Frank Strange this night.
		You had the one interrupt you last night, Val Frank as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		The synchronicity of it being that Frank is a minister and the whole thing of Val Thor being that he came to this earth with no fingerprints.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He did?
unidentified		Val Thor being the alien of the forest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I see.
unidentified		But coffee is a food source listed by the FDA because it has vitamin B in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Where according to nutritionists, the coffee also depletes vitamin B out of the body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So which is it?
unidentified		It is a food source listed by the FDA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe that's just so they don't have to call it a drug.
unidentified		Let's hopefully keep it that way.
unidentified		But strange thing being that last year the statement by the FDA was any substance that caused a physiological change in the body was considered a drug.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now they've said accept food.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Interesting, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, very.
unidentified		Because otherwise, think of like blowfish.
		I mean, it's a Japanese delicacy, but it is poisonous by its own nature.
		True.
		Salsa?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		True.
unidentified		But coffee, definitely.
unidentified		Who could live without it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not me.
unidentified		So how have you been, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Except for that little experience with the patch the other day.
		That was bad.
unidentified		And I thought about that, and I was going to tell you that use it in moderation, almost like you would smoke a cigarette.
unidentified		You wouldn't smoke a cigarette 24-7.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the whole idea is to put it on 24 hours, and it time releases into you.
unidentified		But if you're using such a potent version of it, you may only want to use it in moderation, like when you get a craving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was a thought.
		Yeah, I appreciate that.
		Thank you.
		I think the answer is to get a much milder version.
		I realize now that what I should have done is I should have told the doctor, look, I mean, I'm insulted by my cigarettes.
		They have so little nicotine in them that, you know, every now and then somebody will bum a cigarette from you.
		Can I have a smoke?
		Sure.
		Here you go.
		And I hand them one of these and they hand it back.
		And they say, that's not a cigarette.
		You know, so it's a little embarrassing and insulting.
		And so that's the reason why the patch got me, I believe.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hi.
		I wanted to add something to your point that you made to that lady who called about men places and women places.
		I myself, when I was younger, I went to a boys' club and they started letting girls in a lot.
		And I asked why, and they said that there was actually a lawsuit filed and that girls had to be admitted to the boys' club.
		Later on, I wanted to learn gymnastics like my sisters, and they didn't offer it.
		So I went to the girls' club and asked them if I could take it, and they refused to let me join them because they said I was a boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See?
unidentified		And so that really annoyed me.
		So now I get annoyed when women rant and rave about how cheated they are by organizations.
		I myself as a child had to deal with the same thing.
		I wanted to learn something that they had to offer and they refused me because of my sex.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was my exact point.
		My exact point.
		It's unfair.
unidentified		I agree.
unidentified		I think that people men should have some And sometimes men need a place together just like women do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		Thank you, sir.
		I mean, there are some things that are just guy things.
		And I really don't care if you want to call that sexist or whatever you want to call it.
		It's like the gal who called a little while ago and said, yeah, she'd like to play with dynamite.
		I didn't believe her.
		She just said that because of what she was about to say about Faulkner.
		Most women would not want to play with dynamite.
		When I say play, that means go out into the desert somewhere where you're not going to hurt anybody and blow a big hole in something or blow something way up into the air or otherwise note and enjoy the large explosion.
		That's a guy thing.
		99.9% of the women would not want to do that.
		Right?
		But I betcha, I'll betcha, 70% of the guys out there would like that.
unidentified		Powl Powl Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the first time caller line, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Hey, good morning, Art Bell.
		Hi.
		Chuck Driver Mike, Federal Way, Washington, listening on TVI at the moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're calling for the first time?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Well, actually, Art, you mentioned a long time ago self-calls can call the first-time caller line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		Okay, but anyway, I got two things.
		First one is OJ.
		I believe he's guilty ever since that DNA evidence came by.
		And anybody that could sit over there and let those witnesses go through, you know, the torture that they're going through on the stand, that really shows me a different side of this guy to let anybody go through that because of his mistakes.
		But second thing is you're talking about things you do in your backyard there.
		Have you ever seen one of those potato cannons that will shoot a raw potato a couple hundred yards?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I heard somebody say that a raw potato could be shot through the block of an engine.
unidentified		Oh, I don't know about that, but this he'll definitely go through a half-inch sheet of plywood and a windshield.
		They've outlawed them in a couple of states now.
		But I'm sure that over in Nevada, especially where you live, you can have a lot of fun with that thing.
		Just splat it on something.
		Plus, you're not hurting the environment.
		You can feed the rabbits.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
		I mean, and then there's, as I was saying earlier, dynamite.
		I mean, I could imagine a few sticks of dynamite would be a lot of fun.
unidentified		Oh, I think it would be.
		I tell you, nothing's better than seeing a baker-sized potato flying through the air, you know, a couple of hundred yards.
		It's a lot of fun.
		But anyway, thanks for keeping us up at night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend.
		Take care.
		You know, we're ruining so many things.
		I mean, dynamite used to be something that you would use for blowing up a stump or knocking some rocks around or something or another.
		And nowadays, with terrorism and all the rest of it, it's going to take all that away, of course.
		No dynamite for the people anymore.
		I used to make bombs.
		See, they'll probably come get you for that, huh?
		I wrote about that in my book.
		I used to make, well, I tried to make rockets.
		Many of them turned out to be bombs instead, and they went off.
		But I used to have a great fascination for that.
		And now as an adult, I can imagine that, you know, a few sticks of dynamite, well, that'd be great fun.
		You could, of course, electrically detonate dynamite the way I learned to electrically detonate other things, but I won't talk about that.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 14, 1995.
		We'll see you next time.
		We'll see you next time.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 14th, 1995.
		Hi, everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's funny, nobody's commented on the web yet, the internet.
		How many of you think that eventually will turn into a sort of a being?
		It will grow so large with so many interconnections that it will become conscious.
		Maybe that's how it will finally occur.
		The world's computers connected will wake up one day and say, we are.
		Wildcard line, you are on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, good morning, hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And to you.
unidentified		I'd just like to start by saying I'm a great supporter of your show.
unidentified		I love what you're doing with the radio, and I think you have the greatest job on the planet Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do too.
unidentified		Exactly.
		But I'd like to ask you a question.
		You know, as I've said, I really appreciate your show, but I'm just kind of curious as to why the day after the Waco trials ended, why did you not really, I mean, it was barely mentioned.
		You didn't really speak on the trials.
		It was obviously a farce.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, the day after the Waco trials ended, there was not a problem.
		The farce part of it began when the judge levied these terrible penalties on them despite the verdict.
		And that was several days later.
		Do you remember?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there I had a lot to say.
unidentified		But, I mean, well, then I guess to get a little deep, I don't mean to insult your integrity or anything, but I really want to kind of get a feel as to how you feel about the whole trial in general.
		I mean, myself, I think it was absolute garbage.
		And, I mean, if people are to believe this, I mean, that's just an absolute insult from this totalitarianism-headed government.
		And I just can't believe what they're putting on us.
		I mean, it's just all around us from Lago to Watergate to Whitewater.
		I mean, just it's everywhere.
		And I'm appalled at this, but I really respect your show, and I just want to hear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as I said, sir, I had a lot to say when the judge levied the penalties.
		You don't recall the way it occurred.
		The day of the judgment, the final judge, supposedly the final judgment, in the Waco trials, the penalty was not going to be that harsh.
		It was days after that with some kind of cook charge that the judge rendered, what was it, 20 or 30 years in prison for them.
		So it was cooked, and I complained bitterly about it, Then and now, but not immediately at the day of the trial.
		You've got to recall the chronology.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		No, you're not.
		You are but a click in the night.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		I've been enjoying your show for the last year.
unidentified		This is Janet calling from Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Janet.
unidentified		And I just wanted to make a comment about the Sharon Faulkner situation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Shannon.
unidentified		Shannon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		Wasn't she the one who refused to cut her hair?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think so, yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		Which really, really bothered me as far as her case is concerned, because I would imagine if she really wanted to fit in in a male-oriented institution, that she would be willing to do something as simple as that.
		She wants to make an issue out of her hair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I kind of tire of the whole thing.
		I tire of this whole battle of the sexes and women breaking into men's institutions and the whole thing.
		I'm tired of it.
unidentified		Well, I think there should be, you know, a reasonable separation.
unidentified		I mean, there are certain things that are sort of indigenous to the genders and they enjoy participating in together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That will not be the truth in the future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are headed toward a sort of a same-sex future, one that I want nothing to do with.
unidentified		Well, it's not very interesting, but for example, I think women are capable of flying planes, and they should be allowed to do so with the knowledge, you know, considering the Gulf War that all the pilots were raped, recognizing those drawbacks, women are fully capable of being pilots.
		But I just don't see this invasion by Ms. Faulkner into this institution where she's not, has proven herself not willing to participate fully.
		And I don't feel sorry for her.
		I think what happened to her today, collapsing in the heat, I hope she learns a lesson.
		I think she's out of shape, first of all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I saw her.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I thought the same thing when I saw her.
		I thought, you know, this gal's a little chunky and doesn't look like she's in shape, and she's going to have a rough go of it.
		South Carolina's got, you know, you get to an index of 114, I think they said, and that's hot.
unidentified		And already she's expecting special treatment.
		So which is it?
		Did she want to fit in and prove that she could do just as well?
		And then all of a sudden, well, I won't cut my hair.
		Oh, well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm with you.
unidentified		Okay, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the call.
		Thank you.
		I just have a sort of a general objection to all male-only institutions being crashed.
		I mean, what's the point?
		I guess I understand women who feel as though they cannot succeed unless they go through some of these same institutions that men go through and go through the same hell and prove themselves the way a man does and all the rest of it.
		But I don't know.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there, huh?
unidentified		Hey, Art.
		Hey, this is Chuck in Charleston, South Carolina.
		Now, listen, if you're tired of this thing, you ought to see us around here.
		We're really tired of the Shannon Faulkner thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bet you are.
unidentified		Oh, man, I'll tell you, it's ridiculous.
		You know, we've got this judge here, the federal judge, that has just bent over backwards for her team of ACLU feminist lawyers.
		Okay.
		You know, first they said, like the lady said, you know, she didn't have to cut her hair.
		Then they cut down her physical requirements that she had to do, you know, and all of this stuff.
		And it's just, oh, man.
		You know, it's unreal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess it was pretty hot there today, wasn't it?
unidentified		It was real hot.
unidentified		I'm the one that sent you the facts on my uncle and aunt being saved by the cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And the P.S. on Shannon Faulkner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And I'll tell you, you know, here's the thing with it.
		Today, okay, it was a heat index of 114 degrees, okay?
		Five male cadets had to go to the infirmary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Okay, there were 500 new cadets there.
		Okay, that's 1%, right?
		All right.
		Well, 100% of the women had to go to the infirmary.
		So, I mean, see, this gal is way overweight, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I said.
		I saw her on camera.
		She looked kind of heavy.
unidentified		You know, now she's been fighting this thing for two years.
		She's had plenty of time to get in shape, but she was really serious.
		What she's going to do is she's going to get in there.
		She's going to drop out.
		She's going to hit the talk show circuit.
		She's going to write a book.
		Hey, she's got notoriety, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wonder if it'll work if she drops out.
		I mean, is it a story then that everybody would be interested in?
		Or will she say, I was pushed out?
unidentified		Oh, sure.
		She's going to say, I was pushed out, of course, you know.
		That's the whole deal.
		But what really rubs me the wrong way, boy, she's got this team of feminist lawyers, and they get on TV, and oh, man, we are just really filled up here with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it in the news there a lot, locally?
unidentified		Oh, it's all over the news every day, you know.
		And it means, you know, the Citadel means a lot to me because I was raised on campus, and my father retired from there.
		And, you know, I saw the system and how it worked.
		And now these boys are being deprived of a single gender education.
		And that's the whole crux of the matter right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it's fairly pointed out that if a man tries crashing a woman's institution, there's no way.
unidentified		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not fair.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The whole thing is stupid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Either way, there ought to be women's-only places and men-only places, and that's that.
unidentified		Well, that's the way we feel about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Okay, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bye-bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		South Carolina.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what's.
		Why not?
		There are things that are men only, that should be men only, that men enjoy, that women don't.
		Is that so wrong?
		Do we really wish in our society to erase those differences?
		I don't think so.
		I mean, there are many that do.
		I'm not one of them.
		Vivo la difference, I say.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, this is that does contact you out of here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cape Girardo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		I was calling back your patch you brought for your ass.
		Yeah.
		You know they're coming now at three different strengths.
		I know.
		You ought to try the seven or four can probably wouldn't make you sick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		That's next trick.
		But, you know, they're like $58 a box, something like that.
unidentified		Yeah, I think you probably should probably maybe buck a seven first.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, but when I went in, they did not ask me what strength.
unidentified		That's the first thing.
unidentified		It's like a three-month program, and that being for the first month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The way it is, is you do the strong ones first, and move down.
unidentified		Theoretically, you'd probably get down to seven.
unidentified		You wouldn't even need them if you made them through the first two months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		That's why they break it up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all I know is it really, it hit me like a ton of bricks.
unidentified		I would imagine you were getting too much your main line at Nick Stein, like you were doing, probably, more than your cigarettes were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Oh, I had, look, I think I wore it for maybe five hours, and I just progressively kept getting sicker and sicker.
		Granted, I didn't smoke, but after a while I was so sick I didn't care.
unidentified		It's supposed to make you really sick if you smoked while you got him on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure it would have.
		I did not.
		I followed directions to the T. When I first put it on, it itched a little bit.
		That went away, and I thought, aha, I've got it made.
		And then I started getting sick.
unidentified		Nauseous?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dizzy, tired, spaced out, generally drugged.
unidentified		I tried, somebody gave me some of the sevens, and I tried them.
		They just didn't do any good at all.
		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe the 14s are what I should try.
unidentified		I think that'd be a happy meeting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you.
		Yeah, boy, I was never so sick.
		Oh, God.
		It was really, it was just before Dreamland, too, and I was, you know, I knew about an hour before Dreamland, I said, heck with this, and I ripped it off, and I was feeling better inside of, well, I don't know, about 20 minutes.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Well, good morning, Arbel.
unidentified		This is Brett in KCMO listening to the station by the same name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kansas City.
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		I just had a couple of quick comments on the guy that tried to kill himself before he got put to death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I remember when I was young, I used to try and stick a book in my shorts before I got spanked, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		So that's kind of how I relate to punishment.
unidentified		On the Shannon Faulkner thing, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But on the other hand, dead is dead.
unidentified		Well, it depends on your belief system.
		A lot of people believe in a higher power.
		So we're just punishing someone to go on to be judged for what they did for their whole life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, would you imagine his judgment to be any different?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Should he have killed himself or gone in the chair or whatever?
unidentified		It depends on how God looks at somebody's heart, not how we look at it.
		We're just punishing him for the crime that he committed, that he got caught for.
		We're not punishing him for his whole life.
		We're just punishing him for one crime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, but I mean, when he gets up at the pearlies and he's judged, I would think no matter how he got there, if he had committed a murder, he'd be judged.
unidentified		Well, God doesn't say just because you commit a murder means you're going to go to hell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		He says you've got time to atone for all sin.
unidentified		The only sin that he says you don't have time to atone for is if you turn your back on him completely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		I just don't buy that.
		That's part of religion that I have a problem with.
		I mean, you murder somebody senselessly or take their life or torture somebody to death.
		You go to trial, you go to jail, you march down toward the electric chair, and just before they throw the switch, you say, gee, I'm sorry.
unidentified		No, that's not.
unidentified		God looks at somebody's heart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or even you say, well, or you even say, I accept you, God.
unidentified		Well, see, that's totally different from what the Bible says you have to do to atone for a sin.
unidentified		If you're just doing it to get out of it, God knows your heart and says, look, I know what you're trying to pull here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, good point.
unidentified		I mean, God's smarter than we are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
unidentified		It's like a parent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He would know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he would know.
unidentified		Quickly on the Shannon Faulkner thing, I don't know why women feel the need to compete with men in men's institutions.
		I think a lot of the feminist movement has tried to make women feel inferior.
		And I think that's why a lot of this is happening.
		Women aren't inferior.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're just different, damn it.
unidentified		And Clinton doesn't have a chance.
unidentified		He's got about the same chances Dukakis has.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're wrong.
unidentified		Even if Dole runs against him, I mean, why would somebody say let's not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dukakis was a dumb campaigner, a silly campaigner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Clinton is smart.
unidentified		Well, Clinton is a dumb president.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but he's a good campaigner.
unidentified		Well, I won't deny that, but I think we've had our fill of him already just after two years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wish I believed you.
		I thank you for the call.
		I really wish I believed that.
		But Clinton, Clinton is one of the best campaigners the country has ever seen.
		I admit that.
unidentified		He's really, really good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He is, I call him the monster from the id.
		He's the guy that we have created by, in essence, Demanding somebody tell us what we want to hear.
		Well, we finally got our wish.
		We got Bill Clinton.
		And he will do it again.
		Versus Bob Dole, who would not do that?
		Bob Dole would not be an energetic, go-get-emond, immediately kind of.
		He just wouldn't be a good campaigner against Bill Clinton.
		I'm sorry to have to say that because Bob Dole is a good man.
		Bob Dole is a good man.
		He is a compromiser more than I would have him be, but he's a good man.
		And by the way, if Bob Dole does not run or is not elected, that will be the end.
		That will be the last possibility.
		This country will have a World War II veteran in office.
		That'll end it.
unidentified		Have you ever thought about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		World War II era people, that's or not, bring with them a certain ethic that no future president will have.
		Have you thought about that?
		I have.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		SHARE!
unidentified		The End Ease to the Rockies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		In response to the blind gentleman call last week and question if ADA had gone too far, well, I think it has.
		Whatever happened to blind, deaf, and dumb.
		We now have vision impaired, the sight deficient, hearing impaired.
		I think the gentleman was very honest when he said that he was blind.
		And when he asked if ADA had gone too far, why do we have braille instructions to drive up windows?
		And why does the post office have a signposted that no dogs allowed except seeing eye dogs?
		I'd say that ADA has gone too far.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not disturbed about the no dogs but seeing eye dogs.
		Why should a blind person be barred from going into a post office or really anywhere else, for that matter?
		And so I'm not concerned with that.
		As far as Braille at drive-ups, I think that is an urban American myth.
		I don't think I believe it.
		I even think it approaches a joke.
		Why would they have Braille?
		No, I don't think so.
		I don't believe that one.
		It's going to have to be proven to me.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, hello, Art.
		Hi.
		Yes, congratulations on your 200.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thank you.
unidentified		Yes, this is Patriot Mark from Honolulu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I'd like to comment a little bit about What do you mean?
unidentified		So where the callers, when they call up, they would know that they're on hold and they'd be given a number, say you're 15 or 16, and then instead of being hung up on and having to keep calling back, which only helps speed dialers, then at least we could hold on and we'd know eventually we might get on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I could do that, but say from where you are there in Honolulu, that would cost you a fortune.
unidentified		Yeah, but it might be preferable to, you know, fighting with the redial button and just missing out every time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then everybody would get angry at me when they got the phone bill.
		I mean, actually, if you want to know the truth, given, say, five phone lines, your odds of getting in are just as good by continuing to dial number-wise as they are if you call in and finally get past the busy and get put on hold.
		The odds are no different.
		The only thing is, you'll end up getting charged a lot of money.
unidentified		Well, yeah, you may be right, but it's anyway, it's a sign of your popularity.
unidentified		It's hard to get dirty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad.
unidentified		Anyway, I wanted to bring up, you were talking about, you know, the Citadel and our institutions, and it seems like our institutions in the Western world are under continual attack.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They are.
		Listen, I have got a newscast.
		Now is your chance to go on hold.
		What do you say?
		All right, stand by.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 14, 1995.
		All the leaves are brown, and the sky is gray.
		Coast to Coast AM from August
		The End Here, Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		14, 1995.
		Tonight's program originally aired August 14th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jacob in Bakersfield, California asks, if drugs are not food by definition, what about pot brownies?
		I don't know.
		Art, did you hear the one about the good old boy who asked the sheriff to go fishing?
		Well, when they get out on the lake, the good old boy opened up the tackle box, pulled out a stick of dynamite, lit it, and threw it in the water.
		The sheriff responded, You can't do that.
		well the girl boy lit yet another one handed it to the sheriff and said you gonna just sit there or you going fishing but i did I just heard the news, the Associated Press news at the top of the hour, and they're already talking about the hurricane headed toward North Carolina.
		It's still way out there.
		And, you know, they're giving out these big warnings about how you shouldn't go into the water now.
		But that's exactly the time, it's the most fun to go in.
		Not when there's a full-blown hurricane there, but when the surf begins to really get going from a hurricane churning out somewhere, that's the most fun.
		That's the best time.
		I tell you, we're losing track of everything in this country.
		Now, I'm not trying to say go out and go surfing in a hurricane, but when a hurricane is out there pushing the waves and you're really getting some real rip snorters coming in, you know, waves about the size of a house, that's a lot of fun to go out in those.
		Well, back on in Hawaii, you're on Hawaii, actually.
		You're back on the air.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And we're just hoping that we don't get any out here either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure.
		But, I mean, do you know what I'm saying about when the hurricane's way out there?
		We're getting too careful about everything in this country.
		Can't play with dynamite anymore.
		Can't go out in water.
unidentified		Yeah, well, in the old days, we didn't have much warning, so it just sort of hit.
		And you run for the hills.
		Yep.
		Yep.
		On the point I wanted to bring up about how the Citadel and the different institutions we've seen come under attack in this country, it seems like they're all from our old Western civilization, the Constitution, you name it.
		And what you were saying earlier how you felt that the international coming together, the global economy, which we've all seen come together, is inevitable.
		Well, that has to lead to a political solution at some time or another.
		Economics is the first wave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree, but it's a long way away.
unidentified		Well, yeah, but I believe there's a critical mass building.
		And I think if you look at the internationalism through the UN and the different organizations from 1945 to today, you see almost a parallel between that and on the gradual erosion of our institutions and respect for them.
		And, you know, our Constitution is, I don't think people really appreciate how many thousands of years that it took the greatest minds that could come up with a document that could symbolize individual liberty and realize that that came from a creator and not from a man-made instrument.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the best way to realize that is travel.
unidentified		Oh, definitely.
		And if you look in the rest of the world, you see that hardly anywhere, even Europe is going more towards socialistic, you know, a European Union.
		And, you know, China is horrible.
		China is never going to change.
		I'm convinced.
		It is ingrained in their people that they are very subservient, much like the Japanese.
		And I believe we're feeding the dragon directly.
		I mean, Hitler in Germany relied on the West to provide him with the capital.
		He would have never been able to accomplish what he did without that capital.
		And we're doing exactly the same thing now in the belief that they're going to change.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, China is a little farther downline.
		What about Russia?
		Tell me what you think will occur there.
		Now, communism, as they knew it, is gone.
		Replaced by, I don't know what you're saying.
unidentified		Well, I believe it's been replaced by this word called democracy, which really has lost all its meaning.
		Democracy, Gorbachev himself, calls for world democracy.
		And you can say what you want about Gorbachev, but I believe he's a socialist to the core.
		And this is democracy is democracy of the system that Hitler came to power in.
		People elected Hitler.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir, listen, I do now have to run, but I think you're wrong.
		I think Gorbachev is a communist to the core.
		Not a socialist.
		Charlie, who calls this show, he's a socialist.
		Gorbachev is a communist.
		I mean, to me, there's no question about it.
		He can say whatever he wants to say.
		He is, and he said so to the world.
		I remember when he said so.
		He is a communist.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Arbel.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Oklahoma City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oklahoma City, yes, sir.
unidentified		Well, I just wanted to call, and I called about a week ago about the guy with the leg that they had found in the bombing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		still have not identified it.
unidentified		Well, they haven't, but they've got a...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm hearing that, yes.
unidentified		That's what they're saying about that.
		As far as the prisoner that killed himself so they could kill him again, well, they're investigating that.
		So that's still up in the air, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you feel about that?
unidentified		I think they should have left him dead.
unidentified		I mean, why waste the electricity or the drugs just to kill him again?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As I was saying, that says something about us more than it does him, and I'm not sure what it says about us.
unidentified		Well, it makes you wonder what was the use of having him in there for if they kill him and waste the money to bring him back to life.
unidentified		I don't understand why.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have no answer.
		Neither do I. I mean, I really have no answer.
		It's some sort of sociological weirdness in us.
		I don't know what it is.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		Oklahoma City, WKY.
		You tell me, why would we resuscitate somebody, bring them back from death's door, to get them healthy enough, to execute them?
		I just, it's a mind-boggler.
		And it's us.
		I guess it's the bureaucracy.
		Maybe it's the doctor's hippocratic oath.
		Maybe once they found the guy, the doctor had no choice.
		Yes, they did.
		They didn't have to resuscitate him.
		It just makes no sense.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Yeah, I've got to turn off my radio.
		Yes, you do.
		Click.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm a first-time caller from Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Seattle?
		Yes, sir.
		Como.
unidentified		Yeah, XKVI.
		Quarter stick of dynamite.
		We buy dynamite out here by people, good fireworks, from Indian reservations, and M2000s is what we usually get.
		We call a quarter stick of dynamite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can get an M2000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can buy that up there?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		$20.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're kidding.
unidentified		No, they're real fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I live in Nevada where they've got fireworks, and we can't get those here.
unidentified		Well, I'm not going to tell you how you do it, but they're very, very beautiful people, and they know how to have fun.
unidentified		And I have another thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The American Native, you mean.
unidentified		Pardon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about American Natives?
unidentified		Yes.
		I have also one other thing to comment on.
		I saw an article that someone was coming up with wrapping radioactive barrels with glass to insulate them, and then they would bury them, and basically it would encase the radioactive material away from the environment, and no water, they just don't leach.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got you.
unidentified		Why aren't they doing that with Hanford?
		Why aren't they doing that?
		Why aren't they studying that more?
		It seems like they're just having more and more problems with how to get rid of it.
		Yeah.
		I don't have that answer.
		Also on the woman that's going into the Shannon Faulkner.
		I think it's great that she's attempting it, but I think it's kind of odd that you see most of the gentlemen that go into the fazile and they're quite well defined in their body,
		and then you see her, and you kind of wonder, I'm glad that she is able to, she was accepted, and they say she has all the requirements, but when I first saw her a couple days ago, it just seems just kind of strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me put it to you this way.
		If she does make it through, which I think is questionable, she will look very different.
		They will work those pounds off, believe me.
		She didn't look in shape, I agree.
		Kind of chunky.
		Not at all ready for what they were going to put her through.
		And, of course, if you carry a little extra poundage, you don't tolerate that kind of heat and humidity very well at all.
		At all.
		So, I don't know.
		I'm just sorry.
		I'm really sorry.
		Let me see.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, Hart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		My name is Jim from Owensboro, Kentucky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Jim.
unidentified		I just want to know if I could talk about the tobacco issue.
		Sure.
		Well, I kind of basically feel Bill Clinton's trying to lean over from one political issue to another.
		He doesn't seem like he's accomplished too much on the health care issue.
		And, of course, he did say at one time that either he or the First Lady did say at one time that they were going to use tobacco to fund the health care policy or plan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they planned to tax it a dollar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, at the beginning, they were talking about $2 tax per pack.
unidentified		Yeah, and I didn't understand that.
		And I don't know if you'd remember early last fall or maybe late last fall when they burned the...
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just for the fun of it.
		Let's say they managed to get their tax.
		Two bucks a pack.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And all of a sudden the government was making a ton of money from cigarettes.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would he have come out the way he did the other day?
unidentified		More than likely not.
		I believe that basically all this is right now is a witch hunt on the tobacco company.
		As far as $150 billion million dollar price tag for them to keep people from smoking, teenagers, of course.
		I don't believe in that, of course.
		But I also believe it was a witch hunt because they did, of course, in the Salem witch trials, believe everybody was witches.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do have a question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in tobacco country, aren't you?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If they were to completely make tobacco in America illegal and it was an illegal crop treated like pot, you know, with BATF agents burning fields and that kind of thing.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much would it hurt the economy of the Carolinas, Kentucky there and so forth?
unidentified		It would considerably tear this town apart where I'm living at.
		Because at least the majority, if not more than half, of this town is basically raised or gets a lot of money from tobacco.
		And that's all I can say about that.
		As far as Clinton, he's getting carried away.
		He's going too far to the extreme.
		And he needs to change his policies because about fall of last year, that's when they burned the first lady or at least a mannequin of the first lady in this town.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They burned her in effigy.
unidentified		Right, there you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the Clintons are not real popular right now in Kentucky.
unidentified		No, they're not.
		As far as Kentucky, you know, and I'm a registered Democrat.
		I registered Democrat when I turned 18.
		But the thing about it is the way Clinton, and I'm only 23, of course.
		The way Clinton's been going, I'm looking for another candidate to fill that office.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm curious, who would you rather have?
unidentified		Well, I've been listening a lot to your program, and that's what's been cluing me in on looking for different candidates.
		I really like Pat Buchanan.
		I like what he stands for.
		And believe you me, my family, we've been a die-hard Democrat for a long time.
		And, you know, as far as keeping anything underneath my hat, I wouldn't have anything to be ashamed about if I pulled the lever down for Pat Buchanan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thank you for the call, sir.
		Now, there's something to think about.
		I would imagine Pat Buchanan would have some appeal across the South right now.
		Perhaps even strong appeal.
		I think that the press in America right now is misleading us.
		I do not believe the polls that say Bob Dole is as far ahead for the nomination as the media says.
		I think we're being lied to.
		I think we're being misled, intentionally so.
		And I think Pat Buchanan is receiving a big disservice because I think he's a lot hotter right now than Bob Dole ever will be.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the first time caller line, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Yes, Art.
		Yes.
		This is Mike of Milwaukee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Mike.
unidentified		Love your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have also a portable telephone, don't you?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
		I can fix that if I ask it.
		I got a real funny one for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		This can go on your I Don't Believe It news.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a big list I've got there.
unidentified		This is, I won't mention the name of the town, but this was on the news today.
unidentified		This man came up to his vacation home and found the door was forced open.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And found two kids inside with handcuffs around their wrists.
		They'd eaten a pizza of his and drank 12 packs of soda.
		And he decided he was going to get his own back.
		He threatened to break their arms unless they painted his kitchen.
		And they painted his kitchen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They did?
unidentified		They did.
		He took them into town.
		They escaped while he was trying to take them into the police station.
		They were caught shortly thereafter.
		But it turns out these two teens were runaways, and they escaped the police the night before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is he going to be charged with anything?
unidentified		Not at all.
		The police are chuckling when they're asked for a comment.
		I mean, they're probably sitting there saying, imagine what the squadroom talk is like, you know?
		They're thinking, you know, what if we did this?
		The ACL, you would be all over us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder what they could charge him with.
unidentified		It sure would have been nice to see the looks of their faces, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some kind of slavery, maybe?
unidentified		He said he got good value out of it, out of a pizza in a 12-pack of soda.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
unidentified		Figured you want to hear that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm glad you told it.
		Thank you.
		Oh, there's another good one.
		How many of you would do something like that?
		I mean, catch somebody in a fairly reasonably minor kind of crime and turn it to your own benefit.
		Make them, at the point of something or another, do some work.
		I wonder if they'll charge him.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Oh, my, I got in right away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you did.
unidentified		Well, congratulations on your 200th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Let me cut the radio off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Tuscaloosa, Alabama.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tuscaloosa?
unidentified		Yes.
		Good.
		And I'm Julianne.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, welcome.
unidentified		Well, I've enjoyed your program for about six months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I was just listening to you talk about Sharon Faust and the Sugo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And we were talking about that tonight at work.
		I'm a nurse, so we're all women that work in there.
		And we had about one person that said they agreed with her going, and about seven people that said they didn't agree with her going.
		So I don't think it's a sexist thing to say that she shouldn't be there.
		I just think that it's like you said, there should be places where boys and girls can go if they want to have a same gender, you know, education.
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And, you know, if you have an all-man's military training facility, there's something special about it.
		And, you know, she's going to change some of that, that's all.
		And it's not, I don't like it.
unidentified		I don't either.
		If one of the guys asked to not have the haircut, I don't think they would be able to get away with it.
		No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When I went in to the Air Force, it wasn't a haircut.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What they did is they took a thing and went zz, zzz, next.
unidentified		Well, anyway, I just wanted to call and tell you I enjoyed the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		I'll never forget that.
		That literally is how they did it.
		Maybe there were four of them.
		And then all your hair was on the floor.
		And it sort of slowly began to grow back in.
		You went out kind of going like, wow, 20 pounds thinner.
		West of the Rockies, you're on there.
		Hello.
		Hello.
unidentified		Art, this is Bill up in Reading.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Bill.
unidentified		I was going to call you on Dreamland.
		And there is something big that moves across the sky from east to west.
		And at first I thought, well, maybe it's a meteorite or something because it's traveling at an ungodly speed.
		It takes to cover from, I'll say, trees from one side to the other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you hold on through the break?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
		Because I've Got a facts here that will interest you from Tacoma, David in Tacoma, about UFOs.
		Tell you all about it in a moment.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time, on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 14, 1995.
		Coast to Coast AM from August
		14, 1995.
		Coast to Coast AM from August
		The End You're listening to Arch Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		14, 1995.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 14th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody, and welcome back.
		Oh, no.
		Somehow my new little cat, Shadow, has managed to sneak in here during my break.
		Great.
		Come here, Shadow.
		Come on.
unidentified		Cats.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Big one's angry at me.
		The little one just loves me to death, and the big one used to be the buddy of my life, and now not.
		Yeah, here we go.
		West of the Rockies, you're back on the air.
		Thank you for waiting.
unidentified		You're welcome.
unidentified		What was the facts you were going to read?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
		Check this out, sir.
		Dear Art, just a quick note of interest.
		For your information, UFOs are being sighted all up and down the Washington coast tonight.
		I and five others saw one tonight.
		Source of info about coastal sightings is the National UFO Reporting Agency, David in Tacoma.
		So a lot of sightings.
unidentified		What are they, is it something more like a presence that is there that you feel it more than you see it?
		And I've done some checking on this.
		I used to be in missiles and stuff in the service.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, these are ones that people saw, sir.
unidentified		Well, this you can see blackened out the stars going across the sky.
		It just, it blacks out whatever.
		You can't see any actual shape to it.
		It just blacks out and then it's gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And it's a government project.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, how do you know that?
unidentified		Well, I've done some checking in some people that are still in the service of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they told you?
unidentified		And they told me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And broke their security pledges and told you?
unidentified		Well, evidently, it's not as top security as it's supposed to be or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything that would black out the star, sir, would have lots of security with it.
unidentified		It should.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it should.
unidentified		I know that when we worked it, there was a very high security on what we've done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you tell me secrets?
unidentified		Like what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said you were in high security, right?
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		I carried Class 1 clearance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So tell me some real dark secret.
unidentified		Well, we've got a ship that's being worked on right now that will take off, normally aspirated, from any airport.
unidentified		It'll go into the ionosphere, refuel itself in the ionosphere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With what?
unidentified		With the ionosphere itself, from the particles from it, and go into outer space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess you can expect some guys knocking on your door.
		Thanks for the call.
		I don't know if I believe that.
		I mean, refuel what?
		Ionospheric what?
		I don't know if I believe that.
		I don't know.
		You hear all the people like this say these things, but, you know, who really knows?
		Our local baseball team here in Seattle is giving the voters of our country an ultimatum.
		Either give us $268 million, a 1% tax increase, for a new outdoor stadium with a retractable top, or we'll sell the team next season.
		Nobody likes being pushed around up here when it comes to our sports teams.
		Especially since none of them seem to go very far, if at all, in the postseason.
		Tell Nintendo of Japan to go ahead and sell them.
		Matt in Washington.
		Hmm.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Art, Roger, in Greenwood Village, Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I will give you an explanation on that Oklahoma thing I heard on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		That there's a Supreme Court ruling that you must, before you can be put to death, you have to be aware of why you're being put to death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he knew that when he tried to commit suicide.
unidentified		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, come on.
		The guy's sitting there on death row.
		He knows why he's there.
unidentified		Well, but when the state puts him to death, he has to be aware of it.
unidentified		That's a Supreme Court ruling that makes about as much sense as some of the other things they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Where's your 200th station?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I missed that.
		L.A. Oh, great.
		Not bad, huh?
unidentified		Terrific.
unidentified		Enjoy your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Bye-bye.
		Where's my 200th station?
		How could anybody have missed that?
		On the first-time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, yeah.
		How are you, Mr. Darrell?
		I'm okay.
		I'm in high dungeon and distress.
		I'm really, really unhappy.
		And maybe you can help me.
		Will your antenna sing, bring me Dreamland from Las Vegas when they're putting the bowling show on?
		Did you know they'd do that to us?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, about halfway through, they go to bowling.
unidentified		I can't believe it.
unidentified		I don't want to disparage all bowlers, but can you imagine interrupting Dreamland for bowling?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would be a bit of a shock to the system, I'm sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's quite a switch.
unidentified		I'm eating pygnogdomles by the handful, I'm Philip said.
		I wanted to call you last night.
		My father was at Roswell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he was?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		And I'm still angry at him because he died on me, and he didn't tell me everything he knew, and I miss him dreadfully.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did he tell you anything?
unidentified		Yes.
		My father was a Navy flight surgeon, and he won the war in the South Pacific and all of that.
		He was a Navy captain and an M.D. and a very fine surgeon and a very fine pilot.
		When he came back from winning the war for us, he was detached to the Marines and ran Marine wings and stuff all over the South Pacific.
		Anyway, when he came back, instead of getting back out of the Navy, he was sent to Washington.
		We never knew why.
		I was 17, 18 or so.
		In 1947, he came home briefly, said that he had some duty in New Mexico, and I remember so vividly my mother just looked at him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, we're going to have to interrupt your story right now to cover Frank Cox, who's going to try to make a split spare.
unidentified		I love it.
unidentified		Well, if it's Frank Cox, that's all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know who Frank Cox is.
unidentified		I don't either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Continue.
unidentified		But anyhow, dad was in New Mexico.
		I think my mother thought he was having an affair with someone at the time because there's no Navy in New Mexico.
		He died in his 90s a little over a year ago.
		Sharp is attack, like everybody in my family is.
		We live forever and we keep our minds.
		We lose our bodies because our trials we keep our minds.
		Dad had told me about 20 years ago when we were talking with some of his buddies, some Navy buddies, all of them were physicians as he was, that there was an awful lot to it.
		The subject came up.
		He was at the autopsy.
		Now, I don't know if he performed it because he didn't tell me that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But he told you he saw it.
unidentified		He saw.
unidentified		He saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		Now, he's in his 90s, and I'm asking him about it, though, with all the recent flows.
		Nobody was more pragmatic than my father.
		I mean, he was an agnostic.
		He was a scientist.
		He did not believe in little green men from Mars, quote unquote.
		These beings were non-human.
		He said they were the size of 12-year-olds.
		He said they were asexual.
		He believed they were clones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, that's an awful lot like the photos we've got.
		I've got to run, man.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		There are various places you can hear Dreamland from Las Vegas.
		You might try 1510 KGA in Spokane.
		You might try 780 Reno.
		You might try, let's see, does 890 carry Dreamland?
		I'm not sure.
		From St. George, Utah.
		There are a number, you might try Portland, KEX 1190.
		It would depend on a lot of things.
		You might try San Diego, 600 on the dial.
		There are a number of places you might find it.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Sarah, how's it going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		Pretty good.
unidentified		This is Brandon, if you all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brandon, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, Brandon.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		I say I like your show a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I listen to it every night.
unidentified		If I have some dynamite, I know I'd blow it up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How old are you?
unidentified		15.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		15.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, what were you going to blow up?
unidentified		Dynamite.
		If I had some dynamite, I'd go out to the field to blow it up.
		Uh-huh.
		I like fireworks and stuff like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I like fireworks, too.
		Have since I was younger than you, Brandon.
		And it's just, I guess what I'm complaining about is that we're over safe, Brandon, with everything.
		And there's nothing wrong with safety, but, you know, when a hurricane's out there and the surf is really up, it's fun to go out.
		If you've got something that goes bang, it's fun to take it out and play with it.
		These are guy things, and gals generally don't, with the exception of one who called who I didn't believe, don't believe in.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, let me switch my radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, turn it off.
unidentified		It's gone.
		Good.
		Hey, that guy that called about how you should put people on hold and all that stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		He's wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		I just went through this crap last night.
		Your show was a rerun, and there was something else on, so I was flipping through the radio.
		And I hit this place in San Diego, I think.
		Or Santa Rosa, California.
		Anyway, this is Allison Sassoon.
		And they were talking about legalizing drugs and all that, so I was pretty interested.
		And I got through with the screener, and he put me on hold.
		So I sat there, and I sat there.
		And like two cigarettes later, I was like, well, what's going on?
		And I gave up.
		So your way is much better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is frustrating if you have to keep recalling, but the point is, if you get through, then you just are charged for only that.
unidentified		It's not that big a deal.
unidentified		I mean, I'd much rather have somebody tell me, oh, you're done, than to leave me sit there forever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And one more thing for all those people with trouble with their radio, but they still want to hear theirself on the radio, just have your little tape recorder set up.
unidentified		As soon as you answer, push, you know, you have it set up so it's on pause.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't recommend it because you'll listen back to your own voice.
unidentified		Right, right, I understand.
unidentified		That's what I'm getting at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not going to like it.
unidentified		Yeah, you have your ticket recorder set up.
unidentified		All you have to do is push one button if you really want to hear yourself on the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it's a bad idea.
unidentified		Oh, it is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because you'll think you sound terrible.
unidentified		Oh, well, I'm well aware of that.
unidentified		That's why you have the job where you get paid for this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		I don't listen to my own voice.
		I don't listen to my own show.
		I don't do it.
		I can't handle it.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		for some reason uh...
		listening to my own voice kills me and if you doubt that i'm of it Go ahead.
		Do what he said.
		Call me up and record your call and listen back to it.
		be sorry.
unidentified		Peace.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Eric.
		Out here in your 200th station, KMPC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		A couple weeks ago, they had an emergency expo in Long Beach.
		And I went on a Friday.
		Supposedly on Sunday, they had a group of people picketing the thing.
		I don't know if you're familiar with this, but they had speakers like Nancy Lord, who was the Libertarian candidate in 1992 for vice president, yes.
		Right, and Larry Pratt, who's really a nice guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I've had him on the show.
unidentified		Yeah, I remember that, and I got to ask him a lot of questions.
		But people like Mark Kornke and Bill Greitz.
		And supposedly, these people were picking Sunday against us because, you know, they had some militia people there, and they're going to cancel it next year.
		I can't believe, you know, there were some people that, it was mostly, you know, working-class people there, and it wasn't really a radical convention of people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Bulgarites has people that surround him and follow him that, I think, harm him.
		True.
		Okay, and those are the people I believe that are probably being picketed, and I don't disagree with it.
unidentified		Hey, one other thing, since you watch news on the wire and stuff like that, in September of last year, Hillary Clinton and a guy named Ira Magrazina were supposed to show up in court and answer to charges that they had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That one is still bouncing around in the courts.
unidentified		But I wonder how long can they put a continuance on that?
unidentified		Because they put a continuance to December last year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to guess as long as Paula Jones is held at bay, eh?
unidentified		Okay, I believe you, Ark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for the call.
		Have a good morning.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		This is Bill in Salt Lake City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		A couple of things.
		First of all, on Shannon Faulkner, a different perspective.
		My wife used to be a feminist.
		she now hates them.
		I don't think it's...
		Well, it's not just that they seem sort of hell-bent on destroying men.
		It's also that they seem hell-bent on destroying women.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good point.
unidentified		Everything that the women are, the feminists seem not to want to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which is everything that I love about women.
unidentified		Me too, which is why I married my wife.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but she must have been a feminist when you married her.
unidentified		She was when we met, and kind of became less and less so as she kind of figured out what was going on.
		I see.
		Also, on these opinion polls, you've heard the old saying, there are three kinds of lies, lies, damn lies, and statistics.
		I think that really applies in this case.
		You can shape an opinion poll to say anything you want it to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do not believe that Bob Dole is as popular as they say.
unidentified		I don't know anybody that likes him.
		And I know a lot of Republicans.
		I don't happen to be one.
		I don't claim allegiance to any political party.
		Two things really quickly on Hailbob, I don't know if anybody's pointed out to you or if you've thought about it.
		If it's 1,000 miles across, it's not 100 times bigger than Haley's Comet.
		It's more like a million times bigger because we're talking volume, not diameter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would depend on its physical makeup.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, is it a big round rock?
unidentified		Sure.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or is it like a cosmic rock that you would skip across a pond?
unidentified		Yeah, and we don't really have much way of knowing right now, but I really do think it'd be interesting to see it slam into the moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about that.
unidentified		Well, it'd kill us, but it'd be fun to watch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd rather play with a stick of dynamite, all things considered.
unidentified		Me too.
		Dynamite is cool.
		That's all I had to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Take care.
		Right.
		Only, see, generally only man, I don't care what that lady said, only a man would really think dynamite is cool.
		I think.
		Be so much fun.
		Just a stick or maybe two out into the desert.
		One of those big aluminum trash cans?
unidentified		Oh, man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People would think it was a UFO.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello?
		Going once, twice, three times, gone.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Marty in Oakland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Marty.
unidentified		Hi, I was wondering, I'm a blind person, and I'm calling about the gentleman who said that we've gone too far with the Americans with Disabled Act.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		ADA, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, and I was wondering when he mentioned, or when you guys mentioned Braille drive-ups, did you mean ATM machines?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct, yes.
unidentified		Yes, because, see, we do have all the banks here have Braille on the face of the ATM machine, near the panel where you would actually press the button.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, to what end?
unidentified		Well, all it does is just tell you what the keys are.
		You don't know what the actual prompts are on the screen when you actually put your card in.
		That's the only disadvantage to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then I do not understand how you could operate it.
unidentified		Well, you still have to have help, but you know what the keys are.
unidentified		I told the bank when I had a mishap with one of the new ATMs last week, I said, you know, the only problem with the braille on the ATMs is that you know what the keys are, but what good does that do you if you can't know what the keys are?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly, and what was their answer?
unidentified		She was kind of flabbergasted.
unidentified		She didn't know what to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it just, you know, it really doesn't make sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Unless there was some way to have a Braille readout so that you knew what you were doing, it doesn't make sense.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, I actually agree.
unidentified		I think that what they should do in a situation like that is maybe actually make a Braille pamphlet up and, you know, telling you what the functions of the ATM are and what you will be asked to do when you...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about this?
		This would be technically feasible that the ATM on request would give you voice commands of what is being digitally read out.
		Now, there's an idea.
unidentified		That's a good idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, look, my show is over.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So tell America good night.
unidentified		Good night, America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
		Well, that is a great idea.
		ATMs and banks.
		Well, banks.
		Think about it.
		It was fun.
		We'll do it again tomorrow.

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