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Aug. 14, 1995 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Open Lines - Stop Smoking
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Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from August 14th, 1995.
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all a very good evening, or good morning, as the case may be.
Stretching from the Tahitis and the Hawaiian Islands, all the way east to the U.S.
Virgin Islands, way out in the Caribbean, south to South America, north to the North Pole.
Where Santa is.
Good morning everybody and welcome to another week.
Another edition of Coast to Coast AM.
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You should thank them.
Well alright.
What is going on right now?
Felix is hitting Bermuda.
Grazing Bermuda tonight.
Lots of high winds, and then they say on to the U.S.
mainland.
Not yet too powerful a hurricane, but it could easily increase in strength.
Winds presently about 85 miles plus per hour.
Airlines are not flying to Bermuda anymore.
Bermuda was scheduled to vote, had a very important vote as a matter of fact.
On whether or not they should become independent from Britain.
Now, the turnout for that vote is very much in doubt.
Therefore, whether it will be meaningful in doubt too.
Forecasters are not sure, but they now think the U.S.
East Coast is indeed the next most likely target of this hurricane.
As they just keep coming.
As I noted, it's going to be a terrible season.
Terrorism.
Sudden nationwide security at airports last week.
Remember that?
No specific reason, but it was obvious to me, and I think most, that there was more going on below the surface than we were being told, and there was.
Islamic terrorists, specifically Hamas, is threatening a suicide attack at Kennedy Airport.
Even vehicles are being stopped and searched.
They're worried most apparently about a car bomb.
Suicide car bomb.
And, I wonder why they don't tell us this kind of stuff.
Now, I know I'm not telling them anything, so I'm not breaching any security by saying this.
But, if I was a terrorist, I'd pick another airport.
Not Kennedy.
The U.S.
is a big, fat target for terrorism, and there's simply no question about it, unless we want to become a police state, and we do not.
We're a big, fat target, and we can be hit very nearly anywhere, anytime, and I wonder what you would see done about that.
I mean, as it begins to get bad, And it's going to get worse.
You know, as we arrest these terrorists in New York, and in fact one at Kennedy, they're going to try to get back to us.
At us.
That's what they do.
And of all the targets out there, we're probably the easiest, because we are the freest.
Thus we want to turn this place into some sort of police state.
Well, the big confab down in Dallas.
What to say about that?
Ross Perot showed up on Meet the Press Sunday.
You've got to remember, he got a fifth of the vote last time.
And the big party was this last weekend in Texas.
36 speakers showed up.
The big news, I guess, is everybody kind of snored while Bob Dole gave his speech.
I said snored.
And everybody clapped when Pat Buchanan said what he said.
And Pat Buchanan gave a big speech, at the end of which he said, quote, When I raise my hand to take the oath of office, Your new world order comes crashing down, end quote.
And they stood in the aisles for that one.
Now, whether or not a confab with Ross Perot is important or not, I don't know.
They think it is.
He got a fifth of the vote, and that's enough to put anybody over the top.
So, everybody, as usual, comes courting to Ross.
Wanting his support.
Generally, it's my view, he gives these things so that he can let all the other guys speak, and then say they have spoken, none of them have said what I want.
I shall be your candidate.
However, a lot of what Ross Perot, Crazy Ross Perot says, I still find very, very appealing.
He'd like to see both parties come forward with a second contract with America.
Real one this time.
One that contains all the reforms not passed in the last one.
No gifts to congressmen.
No money.
Real campaign finance reform.
Shorter campaigns.
Stop foreign lobbyists.
Balance the budget.
Criticize Reagan for the $10 million speech.
Said the economy is a mess.
Said, um, oh, he said a lot of things.
He said, if the biggest tax increase in history, and we just had one, makes sense, last year, how does a tax cut this year make sense, unless your agenda is to manipulate the voter?
Well, it is.
That's part of what taxes are for, to manipulate people.
Into different social behavior, or, or, at the ballot box.
He said, quote, and I agree with this, quote, if these economic figures were on the instrument panel of an airplane, we would eject, end quote.
That's right.
He does not now want to repeal NAFTA, said we should not have normalized relations with Vietnam, And so a lot of what Ross Perot says still makes sense to me.
He wants pilot programs for Medicare and Medicaid before we jump.
He wants to raise the eligible age for Medicare and Medicaid.
Means test means if you got the money you don't get it.
We've got to look at Social Security.
Raise deductibles.
And generally wants Welfare localized.
And, of course, the big question, is he going to run in 96?
He said, business is rational, politics is irrational.
I won't close it out, I won't go away.
But, you know, there's still something to me endearing about Ross Perot.
He is a sincere, but slightly crazy guy.
And I voted for him last time because I thought this sincere but slightly crazy guy would go to Washington and probably not last very long, probably shake the hell out of them.
They needed it then, and they need it now.
The media asking, does he want to make a king, be a kingmaker, or a king himself?
Probably both.
Then there's Jesse Jackson, Colin Powell, and of course, as I said, Ross Perot.
George Will said something I've been telling you right along over the weekend on the Brinkley Show, and he said, you know, Bob Dole went down to Texas and said his basic theme was, as George Bush's was, Elect me.
I've been tested.
Well, it did not work for George Bush.
It is not going to work for Bob Dole.
And therefore, George Will concluded exactly what I have concluded.
That Dole is not the best candidate.
Dole cannot beat Bill Clinton.
I believe it.
So, if Bob Dole is not the right opponent for Bill Clinton, who is?
Well, the guy getting the biggest reception by a mile was Pat Buchanan.
As you know, we had him on as a guest here.
And as you know, I too also like Pat Buchanan.
Am I convinced he would be the right candidate?
Not yet.
I am not.
And I must admit, I do not know who is.
Mr. Graham's campaign seems to be fading quickly.
I really don't think there's very much there, do you?
There is with Buchanan.
He's got fire in the belly.
He could go after Clinton.
I agree with that.
There is something reminiscent, certainly, of Ronald Reagan and more in Pat Buchanan.
Maybe too much more.
I don't know.
I'm on the edge.
I want to support Pat Buchanan right now, more than anybody else.
But something holds me back from fully jumping in.
Oh well.
As you know, the President would like young people to stop smoking, or never, more to the point, begin in the first place.
The FDA has declared nicotine a drug, and cigarettes themselves a drug delivery system.
His plan is to ban sales to anybody 18 years of age or under.
It's already the law.
To ban vending machines, to allow no ad within a thousand feet of a school, no ads at sporting events, so the camera might catch them.
And to drag, kicking and screaming, 150 million dollars from the advertising budgets, I guess, of the tobacco companies, to be used to advertise against themselves.
Tobacco companies flipped out, filed suits.
Lawyers will profit for generations to come.
And again, I remind you, all of you, more people smoke than voted for Clinton.
and I still like what I made up last week that our president may be the first smoking related political death either that or it's a very smart move and some people think that it is smart well as you know I'm trying to quit smoking myself so I went down and got the patch and I slapped that sucker on and it made me sicker than a dog now I've got the 21, what is it, 21 milligram, you know, the highest one.
The one you're supposed to start with.
And without telling you what brand of cigarettes I smoke, I'll tell you I smoke a cigarette that most people, when you offer it, you know, when you bum a cigarette, I offer one of mine and they say, oh, no thanks.
To them, it's not even really a cigarette.
What I smoke has the lowest nicotine of any cigarette on the market.
Okay.
And I think what happened is that I poisoned myself.
I'm not sure about this.
It's just a guess, mind you.
But, um, but I think I poisoned myself with too much nicotine.
It's just a guess right now, but when I took the patch off, I felt an awful lot better.
I mean, I got kind of ill.
Anyway, so the saga continues.
So, for now, does the smoking.
David Kessler, over the weekend, trying to define what is a drug.
Very, very interesting.
He said, a drug, quote, a drug is an article, except for food, intended to affect the structure and function of the body, end quote.
Boy, I'll tell you, that includes a lot of stuff.
Everything, literally.
Except food that you would put into your body.
Just seemed to me that would include an awful lot of stuff.
The V-Chip.
Brinkley discussed the V-Chip.
What is it?
It will indeed technically work.
It will go into every television set manufactured after a certain date.
So, technically, the V-Chip for violence is going to work.
But the following questions are good ones.
Who will decide what will be declared violent?
In other words, presumably, parents would program the V-Chip and would go by the ratings that are given to each program.
So then who decides what's going to be given the rating that would cause the parents to program the V-chip?
And then they added there ought to be an S-chip for sex, maybe an L-chip for liberal ideology.
And anyway, they said, who would know enough to program it?
Parents can't program VCRs now.
Most of them sit there flashing 12s most of the time, or 0s.
12 o'clock.
Who can program the VCRs?
The kids.
That's who.
Still, I think the V-Chip is basically a good idea.
This hearkens a little bit to something we discussed with a guest on Dreamland yesterday.
It is the Internet and the Web.
Now, To those of you that do not have computers, you've got to understand the web is becoming, is changing, is evolving, is becoming something new.
It's almost, not quite of course, but almost an entity of its own.
And the government is worried about it.
They're talking about censoring it, or monitoring it, or whatever they're going to do.
I wonder, do you consider the growing internet web dangerous?
The savior of society?
Something that should be regulated?
Something that should be left alone?
Something that eventually will become a kind of entity of its own?
I just wonder what you think about that.
It is true, in Oklahoma, in an Oklahoma State Prison, there was a man convicted for murder, who was just about to be executed.
Hours!
Just had a few hours left.
Strangely, he said he wanted to take a nap.
He wanted to take a nap in his last few hours.
Anyway, when the guards came to get him, he was completely unconscious.
Uh, as a matter of fact, was at death's door.
Had apparently taken an overdose of something or another.
So he was about to die.
They rushed him to a hospital, revived him with extraordinary methods, got his eyes open, got him breathing, got him thinking, got him back into the world again, Returned him to the prison and executed him.
Now, I don't think this story says very much about the man in question.
Just doesn't.
I mean, it's not an unusual thing.
Rather than face the state execution, he was going to go away.
But to return him from death's door in order to get him aware enough to be aware that we were executing him he was going to die our way by God or no way at all says more about us than it does about him and I'm not exactly sure what it says but you might want to try and comment on it somehow the OJ Simpson trial the Furman tapes
This is it, folks.
It may be the biggest decision of the O.J.
Simpson trial, should the tapes be used as evidence.
Allegedly, on the tape, and they're beginning to leak out now, The N-word was used 27 times by Furman.
There is Furman explaining, allegedly, how an innocent black man might be framed by the police.
Johnny Cochran told the reporters that came rushing in to see him that these tapes are going to be the icing on the cake for an acquittal.
They want to play five or even six hours of the tapes to the jury.
Prosecutors are flipping out.
Marsha and company are very, very angry at Mark Furman.
So, if the tapes are played, I think it is the straw that will break the back of the prosecution.
I think that's it.
There's going to be an acquittal.
So, What is that going to mean?
Quite a bit, I suspect, for the American justice system and the way we perceive it.
Well, I've got a lot more, but let me hold it for a moment.
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Costa Costa M from August 14th, 1995.
Thank you.
Thank you.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 14, 1995.
Art, regarding the execution story, is our government great or what?
Signed, Pat.
Yeah, I don't understand that, but oh well.
Art, I think a winning ticket in 96 would be Buchanan and Alan Keyes, or maybe Buchanan and Linda Smith.
I think the definition of an illegal drug ought to be, quote, a substance one takes that can affect the person to the extent that he or she may harm another, end quote.
Drug usage has gone way up since Clinton got into office.
Now he only goes after cigarettes.
Makes me wonder what the administration personnel smoke.
Regards, Vince.
And finally, Carson from Houston says, aren't Don't you feel that terrorist actions are possibly encouraged, tolerated, or even committed by those in this country in order to impose tyrannical restrictions on our freedoms?
Well, no I don't.
Actually, Carson, no I don't.
I think they are a threat to our freedom, but I don't think they're being encouraged in order to remove our freedom.
I think that's going to be the end effect, though.
And away we go.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi there, Mr. Bell.
Ding dong.
This is Pete in Portland, Oregon, where we conjugate our Latin, no more, no mo, no ma.
I've had enough of baseball.
Well, I thought that debate night was great.
Is there some way you can work that into a regular thing?
Well, I do debates all the time.
A full night was a lot.
But I did that for two reasons.
One, or the most important of which was, just giving away presents is boring.
Unless you're the winner.
But at least when you have a debate, and you have a contest, Then you got content, and I didn't want to have a boring night, so we had content.
Oh, about Dreamland, what was the name of that last guy who was on there?
He was talking about mysticism and... Oh, myths and so forth around the world.
Gee, what was his name?
He's not awful.
It was Denny Sargent.
Denny Sargent.
He has books out or something?
Yeah.
Hey, I just got ahold of what's on the newsstand right now, the Popular Science Magazine, a big, huge, five-page article with illustrations on the HAARP project up in Alaska.
Oh, I've seen the photos.
Yeah, and they've got declassified documents and at least one of the three patents is declassified, and they talk all about it, what they're planning on doing.
Did you ever hear of the Russian woodpecker?
For years, yeah.
Yeah, apparently in this article they mention a site somewhere over the horizon, somewhere in Siberia or someplace.
That was probably their version of HAARP trying to look over the horizon at us.
Correct.
Yeah.
So, it's pretty neat.
Alright, thank you.
HAARP, though, is not really over the horizon radar.
HAARP is an actual attempt to influence the nature of the ionosphere Uh, A, and B, to look for underground caverns and bases.
Very, very interesting, and, uh, So, Harp and the Woodpecker are not exactly the same thing.
They both, however, threw and will throw large amounts of RF at the ionosphere.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Let me turn down the radio.
All right.
Thank you.
Please do that right away when you get on the air.
Yeah, this is Sean from Sacramento.
Yes, sir.
A couple things.
First of all, I think all us KST listeners should call in and make sure we get Dreamland on.
Well, you do get it, don't you?
Yeah, but it's preempted.
Like, later on, during the evening.
Yeah, well... I kind of want to get it live.
Well, what's on?
Sports?
Um... No, actually, I can't remember.
Not that great.
But anyway, um... You had a 21-year-old, a few nights ago, that was talking about Japan, and making some really stupid comments as far as the H-bomb.
Yes.
Well, I'm 25 years old, and a military brat.
And I used to live in Japan for three and a half years, and I've been to Hiroshima.
And what people just don't understand is that the H-bomb ended up giving the Japanese a way out, a very honorable way out, which is very important to them and their culture.
Remember, it was the A-bomb, not the H-bomb.
Yeah, the A-bomb.
Gave them a way out, yes?
And another point I'd like to make, as far as kids and drugs, a lot of kids are being sent to school with Ritalin.
Which is a drug.
Yep.
And being told that, you know, they have to change their mood because their teachers can't handle them.
And this is education.
Yeah, but in some cases, sir, it is true.
Ritalin is not all the bad drug that it's made out to be, and it helps a lot of children that otherwise would be not manageable to be manageable.
I know, but we're telling the kids Um, that their mood has to be changed in order to be able to be dealt with.
Well, in some cases, it does.
Thank you.
I'm not, uh, totally against Ritalin.
Um, and you may recall when you were in school, there were one or maybe two kids that would disrupt a class.
Actually, I may have been one of them at one time.
I was pretty bad in school.
I like to talk back.
And, uh, I got a lot of trouble for that, talking back.
Arguing.
Maybe that's why I'm suited for what I'm doing right now, I don't know.
But I would make caustic comments.
Wes to the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
Uh, concerning the, uh, fellow that had the, uh, generator.
The what?
The fellow that had the generator you talked about last Saturday morning.
Uh, the, uh, the reverse spark deal?
There is a generator known to, uh, come down from, uh, Tesla, and they have a book, in the Silicon Valley, that I have seen, and a friend of mine was working on.
Yeah?
That is 800% more efficient than our present generators.
Well, then why don't we use them?
Pretty obvious, isn't it?
No, it's not.
Well, sure they could.
If it's 800% more efficient, they could still put a meter on it.
The information is quite well disseminated.
My friend was working on it before he died about a few years ago.
Well, then I say again, where is it?
I mean, you know, we're in a capitalist society, sir, and if there's something that is that much better, then the power companies would use it and make that much more money.
Well, the idea is for each person to use it to make their own.
Oh, to make their own.
And there was a scooter in Germany that had gone 20,000 kilometers.
I saw a picture of it.
It's a one-person little vehicle.
And at that time, we're talking about making Uh, making an automobile.
All right, sir.
Thank you.
I very much doubt these stories.
Sorry.
I know.
The 3,000 mile carburetor.
The machine that generates power from nothing.
The endless motion machine.
All the rest of them.
Um, my question is always, then, where is it?
And the answer is always, well, it's pretty obvious, isn't it?
They can't allow that to be.
They wouldn't make any money.
Power companies would go out of business.
So they suppress it.
Kill anybody who gets in their way.
Hide the technology.
Sorry, I don't buy it.
First time caller alive and you're on the air.
Hello, Art.
How are you?
Fine.
Goodness gracious, I didn't think you'd get in.
This is Dan from Portland, Oregon.
I'm enjoying your program here.
Good.
I enjoy these little stories of miraculous power-saving, power-generating four-way bridge amplifiers and things like that that no one can seem to find.
Well, what do you mean?
Full-wave bridge amps?
Fires a full-wave bridge?
They work.
I understand that's a piece of electronic circuitry, but I'm talking about the miraculous thing that will generate 500 times more energy than it consumes.
Do you believe it?
Of course not.
Yeah, right.
Garbage.
Yeah, you're right about Furman.
He's going to blow it out of the water here, if the tapes are accurate.
It's going to be it?
Yeah, that'll be it.
If it seems as though it's coming from Furman, and my impression is that it clearly does, Well, I'm going to be a little disillusioned.
The other thing you talked about was Mr. Buchanan.
I hate to tell you, he's no Reagan.
And so then if he walks, what effect?
Well, I'm going to be a little disillusioned.
The other thing you talked about was Mr. Buchanan.
I hate to tell you, he's no Reagan.
Reagan's first term was stellar.
His second term, of course, wasn't quite so impressive.
I agree with that.
Well, I said he's got aspects of Reagan.
As a matter of fact, he goes beyond Reagan and beyond where I want to be a little bit.
I'm just not excited at all yet about the election.
Not about anybody.
Well, me neither.
Patrick Buchanan strikes me as being too far out into the right wing to attract enough of the central vote.
Those that are really feeling rebellious are going to go for Mr. Perot again.
It's disappointing.
I don't know that I would do that.
I might.
I think that Buchanan to me is the most interesting, but I tend to agree he's a little far out on the right.
Clinton might eat him alive.
He'd be a better candidate against Clinton than Dole, but that's not saying much.
You really think so?
Yeah, I don't think Dole's going to be much of anything against Clinton.
I have an awful lot of respect for Dole.
Why?
He's shown himself to be such a statesman, really, to me.
You know, he's got a lot of class.
Well, he's a politician.
Well, he is, you know, but how can you not be?
You spend that much time in Washington, D.C., you're going to be, I think.
You know?
You know, I voted for Perot, and I thought he would have really gone back there and shook their trees.
Yeah, me too.
And I doubt he would have remained very long.
He'd have probably quit, been tossed out.
But he'd have really shaken them up and there would have been real change.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sometimes change, you know, better or worse is good just to get rid of the status quo and think a little more fresh.
Just consider new ways of approaching problems.
He would have done that.
Corporate America has learned that over time.
I worked at different companies that really That's right.
Thank you very much for the call.
I wish I could say there was somebody out there that I was really excited about.
There isn't.
Not a one.
Except the one that you don't know about yet, maybe, Colin Powell.
But who's Colin Powell?
You know, nobody knows.
So, can't get too excited.
So, you know, I don't like that.
Because I like being excited about somebody.
And Pat Buchanan is as close as I can get right now.
It was obvious those down in Texas liked Pat.
And did not much like Bob Dole.
I think Bob Dole's already in trouble.
I really do.
You know, the major media is selling Bob Dole as the guy who's gonna get it.
I don't think I agree with that.
I think he's being overblown and sold by the major media as the guy you're gonna have to beat.
Right now, frankly, Pat Buchanan seems to me to be the guy you gotta beat.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Bart, how you doing?
Okay.
Yeah, this is Tracy from Fremont City, Illinois.
Yes, sir.
Yeah, I just had a couple things there when you were talking about the kitty cats there.
I just wanted to say you kind of got to earn their respect.
Well, what I said was... That's how I feel about it.
Dogs are easy.
I mean, they like anybody.
Mm-hmm.
Which is fine, if you're just anybody.
But I mean, if you want to cultivate a delicate, complex relationship, then you have a cat.
I have both dogs and cats.
Really?
Yep.
Two dogs and two cats.
And they all get along just fine.
I'd like my two cats to get along.
They hate each other.
Well, that's not true.
My big cat hates my little cat.
Hates its guts.
Wishes it would die.
Oh, no.
Oh, yes.
And about that van they found up in Michigan, I've seen that this morning on TV also.
Now, what would a bunch of guys with a whole bunch of dime might be out to do?
Yeah, I kind of wondered that myself.
Now, they didn't say who they were on TV.
When I seen it, they weren't saying anything.
They just said they pulled over the van and they arrested a few people and they exploded the bombs.
That's as far as they went.
Which is kind of surprising.
It is.
I mean, there must have been a mission.
Right.
Yeah, to be carrying stuff like that, there has to be something wrong because they had guns also.
Really?
So they weren't out to blow up a bunch of tree stumps or something?
No, I wouldn't think so.
They were probably up to something.
Thank God they got caught.
Absolutely.
I think it would be fun to have some dynamite.
Yeah, but it would be awful dangerous.
Well, I mean, life is full of danger.
But, I mean, just take it out and blow a can higher than you've ever blown one or something, you know.
It would be fun to fool with.
Well, I didn't know what you were doing.
Did you ever blow cans into the air with firecrackers?
Oh, yeah.
Well, imagine what a, you know, like a five-gallon paint can, say, and one stick of dynamite.
Put that sucker into orbit.
Thank you very much for the call.
Yeah, it'd be fun to fool with dynamite.
But they don't let us do that.
Too bad you can't go down to the local store and just get some fun dynamite.
Can't do that anymore.
Terrorists have ruined the whole thing.
Something that'd really put a cherry bomb to shame.
There was a day earlier in this country when we were not so quote civilized end quote.
When you could go out and have fun with explosives.
Does anybody talk about that anymore?
No.
Is it even in to talk about it anymore?
No.
Do I care?
No.
I would think getting out there with a lot of dynamite, several sticks, and doing some different stuff, and just playing around, having fun, would be a blast.
Sorry.
Unintended metaphor there.
Be a lot of fun.
I know a lot of people think that sounds nuts, but I mean, you know, just sort of blowing some minor stuff up, that'd be fun.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
Uh, I'm just wondering, I'm gonna hang up, and, uh, I wondered if you, uh, we were cut off the other night, uh, if you were just about to get into your, uh, your, uh, your argument about the cat, whether it be hat, whether it have the cat and dog, cat or dog.
And, uh, we were cut off, we got into another station, and, uh, I was ready to listen to it.
I wonder if you could give me, like, that sort of scenario in 25 words or less, uh, once I hang up.
Well... How it came out.
How it came out?
Yeah.
Uh, you know, I can't, offhand, I believe, I believe that the guy, one, uh, who was forwarding the idea of cats as opposed to dogs, Why that?
Well, I really, you know, I'm sorry you missed it.
Yeah, well, they cut me right off at 5 o'clock in the morning here.
Oh, I see.
It went into this other guy's called the light of day or daylight.
Daylight, you know, whatever it is.
Yeah, unfortunately.
Well, gee, I'm sorry you missed it.
What is your view?
Oh, my view?
Yeah.
Well, I had a cocker spaniel, Art, and he was beautiful.
I loved him, and he passed away when he was 16, and that was last year.
Well, that's a good ripe old age.
Yeah, he lived a full life, and he died in my arms, and I've never had a cat.
I've never had a cat, but the dog was always, the puppy was always beside me.
When I'd walk in the door and I could thank him a week before that and he would still come back to me and start licking me all over and I thought, as far as I'm concerned, a dog's a man's best friend.
Really?
Cats, they have their own little way.
Although I've never had a cat, so I can't say, you know... See, there you are.
Alright, now you can listen on the air.
I am a cat person.
Actually, an animal person.
I really... Dogs are cool, too.
But, um... But they don't have the... sophisticated finesse that a cat has.
To be friends with a cat, Well, it's really hard to describe.
I don't even know why I'm trying to bother.
But the relationship is more complex.
Now, is that one way to put it?
Anybody can be friends with a dog.
again so much trouble here. Anybody can be friends with a dog.
I mean a dog is not really particular.
A cat is particular.
Either a cat likes you or it does not like you.
Dogs nearly always like you.
Cats are more sensitive, intuitive, perceptive, clean.
They are more choosy.
Now I know and I don't want really want to get into a big A brouhaha this morning about dogs and cats.
But that's basically what I've got to say about it.
A cat... A cat... Is quite not so... Not quite as pedestrian, let's say, as a dog is.
We'll be right back.
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Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 14th, 1995.
Thank you for watching.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere In Time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 14th, 1995.
Ruining a lot of vacations in Bermuda, then probably headed for the U.S.
mainland.
Another hurricane.
It's going to be a long, long hurricane season, everybody.
Terrorism planned, they say, at Kennedy Airport.
So they're taking extra security precautions, asking people questions, searching cars, that sort of thing.
If I were a terrorist, I'd just go hit another airport.
We sure are a big, big target in this country.
Somebody faxed me last hour and said, well, we're letting all of these things happen so that we can become a police state.
I don't think so.
But that will be the end effect, won't it?
I think the days of just going to the airport and getting on an airplane, you know, without a lot of worry, Those days are gone.
The O.J.
Simpson trial hanging on the biggest decision yet.
If they allow the Furman tapes to be played for the jury, it's going to be the end.
The straw that broke the prosecution's back.
Furman will be seen to be a liar If these tapes contain what they allegedly do, Furman will be seen to be a man who thought about framing an innocent black man.
And do you really think it's going to take more than that to prove reasonable doubt?
No.
Johnny Cochran told reporters yesterday, It'll be the icing on the cake for an acquittal.
And they may have an acquittal even without it, but with it, I think it is a done deal.
The Internet.
The web.
Is it dangerous?
Is it a savior?
Is it something that ought to be regulated?
Or let to grow free?
Is it eventually something that will become an entity itself?
We talked a little bit about that.
A drug.
What is a drug?
David Kessler, FDA guy, and recent advisor to the president on cigarettes, which he says are drugs, nicotine, and the cigarette nothing but the delivery system to the addict, says, quote, a drug is an article except for food intended to affect the structure and function of the body, end quote.
That would seem to include many other things.
And I ask any of you to comment on this.
In Oklahoma, there was a guy who was going to be, well, actually now has been executed.
But, he was about to be executed.
Had a few hours to go.
Surprised everybody and said he'd like to take a little nap before the execution.
He did.
When they came to get him, he was unconscious.
At death's door.
Had taken an overdose of something.
So they rushed him to the hospital, revived him with extraordinary methods, nursed him back to health, took him back to jail where they executed him.
Now, this doesn't say much about anything except us.
What does it say about us?
Somebody called earlier in response to the dog-cat discussion we had last week.
And it produced the following facts from Aaron in Carson City.
Of course, a cat has never pulled somebody from a burning building.
If more mountain lions were kept as pets, well then we might hear of such heroic cat rescues.
But there are many stories of cats waking up their owners when a house was on fire.
Meow, meow, meow.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
No, you're not.
I guess we lost you.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Mr. Bill, this is Steve Reno.
Yes.
I called last week.
You said I could call any time.
Yes, sir.
I'm the guy who gets nauseous over liberals.
Okay, I think that deal, that prison, I think that's kind of a... We're going to get our bang for the buck here.
We've been housing you, and we're going to put you to death.
You're not going to put yourself to death.
That's number one.
Number two, you want to quit smoking?
I will tell you how to do so.
Is you figure out how much you actually smoke.
Okay, like you smoke a pack a day.
Yeah.
Every day or every couple days you cut back a cigarette until you're down to virtually nothing.
If you can, don't smoke a whole cigarette.
Just smoke half of it and kind of snuff the rest of it out.
You don't have to destroy the rest of the cigarette.
Just kind of snuff it out.
That was a technique used by my mother and it was successful.
She solely withdrew the nicotine from her system.
Well, one thing about that is it would It'd cost you a lot of money.
How's that?
Well, I mean, if you kept smoking at the same rate and snuffed them out halfway through, you'd be costing yourself twice as much.
Yeah.
Well, basically what you do is you smoke half a cigarette, and that's the reason why you don't destroy it.
You just kind of kill the end of the cigarette, and you save it for later.
No, I see.
You save it for later.
Oh, I see.
You don't destroy it, sir.
Oh, I see.
And you, like I said, you slowly cut back, and you just, you know, if you smoke a, uh, who knows, maybe by a couple, in a couple months, you'd be, depending on how much you cut back, how fast you cut back, you'd be down to, uh, uh, maybe, um, a couple, three cigarettes, uh, a day.
Well, that's, that's a good idea.
Thank you.
It's as good as any other.
Uh, I told the earlier audience, uh, you know I was going to try the patch.
I did.
And it made me sick as a dog.
Oh boy, did I get sick.
Just didn't work.
I mean, it did.
I didn't want a cigarette.
But I didn't want anything else either.
I was like a zombie.
Kind of nauseated.
Dizzy.
Finally went into bed.
This was Sunday, prior to Dreamland.
Went into bed and just laid down.
I was, oh man, I felt terrible.
Finally took it off.
And what I concluded was that the cigarette that I smoked is ridiculed by real smokers.
You know, I won't tell you what it is, but it has the lowest nicotine on the market.
And I think the patch had too much, and it poisoned me.
So I was trying to think of all kinds of things to do, but you can't cut patches, because then you ruin the time-release mechanism of them.
So I'm going to have to get some lower-powered patches, I guess.
Stuffers are expensive.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Um, yeah.
Hi, Art.
I'm calling from Tempe, Arizona.
Yes, sir.
I had a comment about the prisoner that you mentioned in Oklahoma.
Does that make any sense?
Well, I was wondering, I wonder if the prison was actually afraid of any possible legal ramifications that the family of the prisoner might Like say, Sue or something like that.
Because the prison let the prisoner take his own life.
Do you think there's any possibility in that?
I guess.
It just doesn't make sense.
Yeah, you're right.
It doesn't.
But just wanted to ask you about that.
So, I guess they finally got him to the point.
Well, do you feel okay now?
Are you okay?
Are you ready?
Alright, now it's time to die.
Yeah.
Can you believe that?
Thank you very much for the call.
And then there was this earlier, and it seems to have been confirmed by another listener.
Art, I heard at 7 a.m.
today that in an early morning routine traffic stop in Lansing, Michigan, they found six men in black clothes in a van loaded with dynamite.
They were not the Michigan Militia, the report stated.
Betty, Salem, Oregon.
Thank you, Betty.
Six guys dressed in black with dynamite.
Now, what do you think they were up to?
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hi, Mark.
Hello.
Turn your radio off.
All right.
David, turn the radio off.
Yeah, turn it off.
Turn it off.
All right, well... Hi.
Hello.
Um, Art, my name is Eric.
Yes, Eric.
Uh, um, your picture doesn't look anything like I thought it would.
I'm always curious.
How did you think I would look?
Like, with sort of like long hair and like a mustache and a beard or something.
I have a mustache?
Yeah.
I mean like a bigger one.
You mean like one of those twisters?
No, just like a heavy one.
No, not a heavy one.
I was wondering if you ever heard of the Faa Faa Fooey Connection?
No.
Call the wildcard lines, area 702-727-1295.
Or Faa Faa Fooey.
I see.
On the west of the Rockies line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Good morning, it's Todd Berkley again, KFO.
Hello.
About the V-Chip, somebody called in earlier.
Yes.
I was listening to another program and this older gentleman came up with something just really brilliant.
He was tying it in with this U.N.
convention that Hillary's going to be going to in China?
Well, that's debated.
Well, no, he was saying that according to this U.N.
convention on the rights of the child, the child would have rights pretty much on equal footing with adults.
The convention Hillary is going to, sir, is on women.
Yes, okay.
Anyway, on the U.N.
convention on the rights of the child, the child would be able to watch whatever they wanted ostensibly.
And so this V-chip would be in contravention of the U.N.
Treaty.
I never thought about that.
Yeah, I didn't either.
I mean, the gold guy had it on the ball.
And about drugs, we all know that coffee is going to be next, because it's been proven that they have been manipulating caffeine levels.
Right.
That's about it.
All right.
Thank you very much for the call.
Well, first, these smokes.
Rip them from your hands.
Then will come coffee.
Surely, coffee is, by definition, a drug.
Coffee, I don't think coffee is food, is it?
Now, I'm going by the David Kessler's definition of what a drug is.
Coffee would certainly qualify, wouldn't it?
It would be outside the food category.
And it definitely produces changes to your body.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning, Art Digger in Racine, Wisconsin.
Yes, sir.
I just had a question.
You've been talking about your smoking.
You might know the answer, maybe know a way to find it out.
I read a book one time from the library.
It was called Sugar Blues.
Have you ever heard of it?
Well, I can imagine what it's about.
Well, the author really stated that In certain countries in Europe where they do not use sugar to cure their tobacco, that there's absolutely no correlation between heart trouble and cancer and smoking.
Now, I'd be very curious if that's true.
Maybe it's only necessary to change your brand instead of to give it up.
Well, maybe, but the active or controversial addictive substance is nicotine.
Well, that's the thing they're complaining about is being addictive, but I don't think they've ever shown any correlation between heart trouble, cancer, nicotine, nor have they ever, as far as I know, ever proved one case conclusively caused by smoking, only say that a higher percentage of people who smoke have these diseases.
Now, that could be their lifestyle that's only partly involved with smoking.
Well, that's true.
But I'd be very curious if you have the connections that could ever find out if There is any truth to that statement that these people that are supposedly smoking cigarettes that have tobacco not cured with sugar do really have a difference.
Alright, I'll investigate it.
Thank you.
I'd appreciate it.
I'll see what I can find out.
I have no idea.
I would have imagined the curing method not to make a great deal of difference.
Unless there's tobacco company executives sneaking into the curing vats in the middle of the night, throwing in extraneous amounts of nicotine.
as a certain senator I think suspects.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello?
Hello!
Yeah, I'm on the air right now.
Yes, turn your radio off.
We do not screen calls.
I'm sorry.
This is real live radio.
Yeah.
How are you doing, Art?
All right.
You know, my sister told me something today.
She was at a party and she heard somebody, somebody told her that, I don't know, you might want to confirm this, but she heard that Saddam Hussein requested a cell into Morocco.
I don't know, though, that might be something.
I don't think so.
As you know, his sisters and defense minister, a guy who ran the war, knows all the secrets, has defected to Jordan.
Yeah, I know all that.
I've been watching CNN and all that stuff.
But, you know, she heard that.
I just wanted to see if anybody could confirm it or something, you know.
Alright.
One more thing.
You ever interviewed Bob Lazar?
Yes.
Uh, are you going to do it again?
Possibly.
Okay, thanks.
All right, take care.
On the first time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello, Alex.
Hello.
This is Bob Cullen from Omaha, Nebraska.
Hi, Bob.
The mighty KFAB lives in there.
Hey, um, when the old Hale-Bopp happens to come by here in a couple of years... Yes.
It'd be great if NASA gets some little probe that, since it's so big, and if it doesn't hit the Earth, NASA could get some probe to shoot up there and land on it and just take a ride all around with it.
Wouldn't that be wonderful?
Yes.
Somebody else called.
We were just, of course, doing a what-if.
But they said, what if it really was headed to the Earth and we could do nothing about it?
Well, then NASA should send up a probe and put a camera on it so that we can watch it come toward Earth.
Now, would that be dramatic or what?
That would be.
I'm sure CNN would cover that, too.
Also, if the O.J.
Simpson trial ends before the comment hits us, one thing I'm really looking forward to are the interviews by Doug Llewellyn afterwards.
And now to Wolf Blitzer for the latest on the White House, uh, from the White House on the comet.
On the comet?
That's right.
And the President would come on and say, ladies and gentlemen, there's nothing to worry about.
This is, uh, not a bad comet.
It's going to miss.
I mean, it is the one instance, I said last week, in which you'd want to have President Clinton in the White House.
A guy who would tell you anything.
Right.
And then, then we'd see a Hillary dressed up in her leather.
Having fun with dynamite.
Thank you much.
I appreciate it and love listening to your show.
Before you leave, am I right or wrong about that?
Would most guys like to play around with dynamite?
I know I'd like to.
See?
I mean, just a few sticks.
Under adult supervision.
Of course.
Thank you very much for the call.
You know, put it under a trash can.
Watch it go nearly into orbit.
We're talking about this.
I know it sounds really not politically correct, you know, in this day and age, but I used to like to make bombs out of various things, and I won't describe it because inevitably some fool would try it at home and kill themselves.
But dynamite is a real thing, you know.
A few sticks here and there, and you could have a lot of fun.
Bury it, see how big a hole you could blow in the ground.
Uh, see how far you can throw a can into the air.
That kind of thing.
An extension of the cherry bomb, which you can't get anymore anyway.
A wild card line, you're on the air.
Art?
Yes.
Oh, good.
God, I've been dialing both numbers and I didn't know which one I had.
Uh, this is from, uh, Phoenix, Arizona, KFYI.
Yes, sir.
Okay, I heard Donna Shalala on the TV tonight.
man that it was illegal for kids to smoke now it's not illegal for kids to smoke it's illegal for
them to buy cigarette that's correct
how can she say that it's illegal for them to smoke well she just said it
it's not all okay
they're not doing anything with the drug problem how can they do anything with
the cigarette problem well it's good politics they think
somebody's out in left field somewhere Well, you see, President Clinton already knows he's dead meat down in the South.
They don't like him.
I'm sure they don't.
Okay, well, in the Carolinas and tobacco-growing country, he's not going to get many votes anyway, so he figured, what the hell?
Everybody thinks kids should not smoke.
It's like coming out for motherhood.
It's good.
I'm 64 years old.
I started smoking when I was 13.
I hate to admit that, but I did.
Right now, there's nothing at all wrong with me.
My lungs are alright.
I have no problem with smoking.
I know.
I went to the doctor the other day and he listened to my lungs.
He said, you're clear.
But still, I want to try to quit.
I want to try.
I probably... You know, if they were addictive as much as they say they are, my God, I'd be smoking about four cartons a day.
Well, I'm not sure addictive in the sense that you always need more.
Well, they say it's addictive.
It's like the drugs are addictive.
The more you take, the more you need.
Yeah, but believe me, sir, if I took your... What do you smoke?
Pack?
Pack and a half?
I smoke three packs a day.
Oh, my.
Well, if I were to take those away from you, you'd become a screaming, raving maniac.
Well, I have quit for three or four days at a time.
And I bet you were screaming, raving.
No, sir.
I was not.
No.
My wife put up with me.
I wasn't screaming or a raving maniac or anything else.
By the way, I think you're right about Buchanan against Perot.
Well, what do you mean against Perot?
Well, I mean, I think Buchanan would be the better... Of the two?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, the man to put up instead of Perot.
I don't think that's the question.
I think, is he... Thank you, sir.
Is he the man to put up instead of Dole?
And I would rather see Pat Buchanan than I would Bob Dole.
But I'm going to be honest with you.
I'm not excited about either one.
Completely.
I've not picked anybody, in essence.
That kind of bothers me.
I wish I had somebody I could go yay, yay, yay for, but there is no such person yet.
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 14, 1995.
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Tonight's program originally aired August 14th, 1995.
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Dear Art, a few years back during an ice storm, my aunt and uncle's lives were saved by a
cat.
It seems the storm knocked out the electricity, so my uncle lit charcoal to stay warm.
Big mistake.
Both were knocked out by CO gas.
Their cat, in a frenzy, awoke my aunt and she was able to drag my uncle outside to fresh air.
I'm sure there are many, many such heroic cat stories around.
Chuck in Charleston, South Carolina says, P.S.
It was very hot today here in South Carolina.
Heat index, 114 degrees.
With respect to Shannon Faulkner, even if it cools down, she won't make it a month.
We'll see.
Hello Art, take away my beer and I get by.
Take away my smokes, I somehow survive.
When for some reason I don't have coffee, I'm in a world of hurt.
One time, when broke and without coffee, I would go to the 7-Eleven and fill my cup up and then pretend I had forgotten to bring my wallet.
The clerks would then say, no problem, drop it off later.
Another words are, this old man will do anything to get a cup of java.
Well, enjoy it while you can, sir.
And then finally, hey Art, well, here I go.
I've decided to weigh in on the cat-dog fight.
In response to the facts that a cat has never pulled anybody from a burning building or saved someone from drowning, a cat, on the other hand, has never mauled a small child to death either, which happens all too frequently anymore throughout the country.
By the way, the GIF Comet-1 is great.
Put up some stats and some documentation, maybe a text file.
I think I've done that.
From Ivan in Lincoln, Nebraska.
It is great.
This is a photograph from a 90-inch telescope, and I strongly suggest that you get a hold of it.
It is at least twice the size of the other image that we had.
It is entitled comet1.gif, and it is on our bulletin board, which is open 24 hours a day.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
All right.
Poteau, Oklahoma.
Yes, sir.
On the dog versus the cat.
You know, I'm a dog lover.
Great Dane, to be particular.
But two years ago, I lived in northern California, about 40 miles south of your Flagstaff station up in Medford.
Yes.
And I rescued, lived in the Scott Valley, and I rescued from the barn kind of a lame, slightly lame, Little kitten.
We used to keep cats up there.
Barely feed them to keep them around and all.
And I rescued this kitten, brought it down to the house.
No one really particularly cared or liked it.
And they somehow nicknamed it Judas.
It was a little black female kitten.
But you know, that thing would follow me out into the field to set the irrigation pipe.
Some 400 feet of it.
It just bounced through that wet oats and it would follow me into town.
It would sit at the back door of the restaurant.
Unbelievable, I would call it and if it was anywhere near my voice it would come.
I never really understood what was going on in this cat's mind.
But at night if I left the door open in the silly bathroom, I had one of these very deep
tubs with a slanted back.
I'd fill that thing up all the way to the top with hot water and I'd soak in that thing and if that door was open that cat would jump up on top of that little ledge there and kind of skid around a little bit and fall in and I'd have to pick it up and put it on the floor and it would do it again and there would be like soap suds in it and as long as he could get over next to me it was fine.
But I never could figure out what was in that cat's mind, maybe that I rescued it, or something up there from the barn, because it was kind of puny and wasn't getting along too well with the rest of them, and when we'd feed it, it'd kind of get nosed out real quick-like.
Well, that's a sign of a grateful cat, sir, yes.
The problem I'm having is that my big cat, my 16 or 17, actually he's lost about a pound, maybe two, Uh, because this new little cat of mine's chasing him all over the house.
He's never had to exercise so much.
And he hates her.
I mean, he hates her guts.
I think he wishes her dead.
And, um, they fight, and then at other times they sort of halfway tolerate each other.
But more often than not, they fight.
And so I don't know what to do about it.
Uh, he's even angry at me for bringing her into the house.
Now, she's a lover.
She'll come up and she'll actually hug you.
It's a dog on a senior.
So I'll climb up and hug you around the neck.
She will purr.
She loves human beings.
She even loves him.
She tries to lick him.
He bites her.
It's really pathetic.
And obviously he is spoiled.
And I don't know.
He's got to work this out.
It's a big psychological problem.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Money Heart, how are you doing?
Okay.
Your phone lines are so busy, it's really hard to get through.
Well, I'm glad you made it.
What's on your mind?
Your show is definitely the art of Bell.
Okay, now the crisis situations, you know, they terrify me more with all these, I don't know, threats of terrorists.
It's like the government, like who has the most to gain from all these crisis situations we're having, you know?
I mean, we don't.
The people don't have anything to gain.
It's scary.
And the smoking thing, as far as my concern on Clinton, I don't really think Clinton cares about kids.
I think he wants these kids healthy for this New World Order government job they're going to get.
Central Socialism!
I don't think he cares a darn about whether the kids are, you know, smoke or not.
Just keep them healthy so they don't have to pay the health care bill.
Alright, thanks.
I don't think there's any New World Order anyway.
I think it's all a bunch of baloney.
There's no new world order.
Pat Buchanan got a big round of, you know, stand-up applause, and he said, when I take the oath of office, that'll be the end of the new world order.
Well, there's nothing really other than a sort of a natural progression toward internationalism, and that's real.
And I think that's the problem that I've got with Pat.
We can't change that.
We're a strong country.
We've always been a strong country.
But the trend is toward internationalism, certainly economically.
That's already here!
What are you going to do?
Are you going to stop that?
Would Pat Buchanan stop international trading?
Would he stop international monetary exchanges?
I mean, exactly what does this new nationalism mean?
I don't know.
So, I like a lot of what Pat says, but for me, he's a little radical.
And for me, Dole is a big yawn.
And the Graham campaign has not got up and gone anywhere, even with all the money.
There's just nobody out there, the governor of California, give me a break.
No way he's going to be nominated.
The White House keeps saying that he scares them the most.
I don't know why.
He's not going to be nominated.
Pat Buchanan is much more likely to be nominated than Pete Wilson.
I just, I have no excitement out there for anybody.
Very lethargic about the campaign.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Oh Art, I think only normal people play with bombs and rockets.
Do you?
M-80's Cherry Bombs, and I remember a friend of mine almost blew his head off with a Match Head Mortar.
M-80's, um, they're great.
Uh, I wish you could still get those, but I mean, why not go all the way?
I mean, didn't you ever wonder, would it be great to have some dynamite, or what?
Yeah, we used to build our own bombs out of gunpowder.
Yeah?
But, uh, look at that.
I've done that.
That's Stuart, um, Observatory, uh, common image.
Yes.
That must take nearly a half hour to download.
That's a four megapixel image, isn't it?
Yes.
It'd take forever to download that.
No, not if you've got a good modem.
You'd really have to boost it to get that.
There's a few calculations... What speed is your modem, sir?
Well, at 9600 I calculated it'd take a half hour.
Oh, no.
You calculate wrong.
I bet you could download that in under five minutes.
Boy, you'd have to be screaming at four megapixels times two bytes each.
That's a lot of... That's a lot of bits.
No, it isn't.
Not for a month.
9600, you'd take that in under 5 minutes.
Guaranteed.
That Hale-Bopp comet did a few calculations.
I got the orbital elements.
This thing, when it's farthest away from the sun, is 300 astronomical units away.
And that's about 10 times as far as Pluto.
So this is far out, probably the outer range of what they call the Kuiper Belt.
Yeah, it's out past Jupiter and Sagittarius, I believe.
Well, it's even farther than that.
300 astronomical units is 10 times as far as Pluto.
It's out, really, in interstellar space.
Right.
Well, see, that's why everybody is so concerned.
It ought not look that big, that far away.
Well, right now, it's just about as far away as Jupiter, and it's incoming.
The period of this thing, if you calculate it, might be greater than 5,000 years.
So, the last time it visited us, May have been at the time when they were building pyramids.
Well, I've heard estimates ranging from 2,000 to 3,000 years.
Those are refined.
You have several thousand years, though.
I just did some rough numbers.
Right.
And is Hoagland going to take a look at this thing?
Oh, yes.
Do you think you'll see a face on it?
Well, not until it gets closer.
This is going to be an interesting thing, though.
Even if it just gets close to our orbit, it's going to leave a lot of debris.
I do agree, sir.
Thank you.
It's going to be interesting, alright?
The image we've got of it is really good.
It'll be in the newsletter.
I'm going to just keep doing this, I'm telling you.
Our newsletter will contain whatever is going on.
Whatever we can lay our hands on.
All the cool stuff.
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West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
How you doing, Art?
You know, when you first came on MPC, I was on the phone waiting for you, and I missed you by three rings, I think, to congratulate you to be the first one out here.
Where are you?
I'm in North Hollywood, California.
North Hollywood.
I was picking you up through... I'm a new listener.
I think I tuned you in about three weeks ago through, was it KDSU?
Utah?
Yes.
And that was a hard one.
Then, all of a sudden, there we were.
KMVC.
There you were, and now I'm really upset because I was a big fan of Alan Branstader's, and you're taking most of his time up.
I'm sorry, I don't know him.
He knows you.
He spoke very highly of you, actually.
That's kind.
He's on one of the other stations, but he's in a midnight slot, too.
Oh, I see.
Every other night, he's midnight, and then he comes on at like 7 every other day.
Really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just wonder how hard it's going to be on him.
I sort of plugged you over his station.
I didn't give him the time slot, though.
I see.
Well, we're very glad to be in Los Angeles, of course.
Oh, it's great.
It's a breath of fresh air, let me tell you.
First off, you really want to quit smoking cigarettes.
Well, I mean, I wouldn't go spend money on those stupid patches if I didn't.
Oh, yeah.
What's that, like, did you pay $160 or something?
Well, no, it was, uh, what was it, about seventy-something dollars.
Yeah, I know if you're on, like, Medicare or something like that, they give it to you for six bucks.
Yeah, well, I'm not.
Yeah, I know what you mean.
But there's another, there's a way that I was sent.
I know somebody that quit this way and they say if you just follow it, supposedly 100% of the people that follow the routine quit.
And what you do is you wrap a piece of paper around your cigarette pack, put a rubber band around it.
Every time you want a cigarette, you unwrap it, you write the time of the cigarette, and then you decide at that point, well can I wait 10 minutes?
And if you can, you continue.
You wrap it back up.
put it away. 10 minutes later you still want a cigarette, well you smoke it. But then when you
smoke it, you smoke it with your other hand and you know how you usually smoke between your index
finger and your forefinger? Yes. Well you smoke between your other, you know, different fingers.
So you're basically changing your routine constantly. That's a good point. And you know,
having to unwrap it and put the rubber band around it becomes a pain in the butt after a while.
But if you can keep doing it, they say within about six weeks.
Why not get a big metal lock box, you know, and put your cigarettes in there and then inside another box with a combination lock that you might forget?
Well, it would be a little hard to carry around your top pocket.
Yeah, I know.
You know, I wonder.
I vacillate.
I mean, I want to quit, but then do I really?
Yeah, this is true.
I think everybody does, deep down.
I was the person in my family, they never expected to smoke.
Everybody in my family smoked.
I'm the middle.
My sister started smoking at nine, which was horrible.
I was the kid that when we went on car rides, you couldn't smoke in the car.
I would just get clogged up.
I thought, he's never going to smoke, we don't have to worry about him.
But about the age of 16 when I first experienced my first few beers, it became a little easier.
Well, eventually I think all smokers are going to be ethnically cleansed.
Yeah, it will happen.
Yeah, it will happen.
That's right.
Thank you.
There will be the end of smoking.
And then it is already moving socially from no longer acceptable to Polite or even impolite disdain.
And eventually, I can see in a decade or two, there'll be discrimination.
Really, there already is.
And then when they finally got cigarettes, they're gonna start in on coffee.
You know they are.
Coffee fits Mr. Kessler's definition of a drug.
It changes the bodily functions.
It is not food.
Therefore, it is a drug.
You know they're going to go after it.
you just know they are.
West of the Rockies you're on the air.
Hi.
How you doing?
Okay.
Has anybody ever called and told you about one thing if they happen to hit one of the last numbers wrong when you're dialing fast, what you get?
What do you get?
I don't know, but I hope they don't bill me for it.
Well, they can't really because I'm at a pay phone, but this woman comes on there and she's pretty hot.
Oh.
It's one of them sex line numbers.
Really?
Yeah, it's one of the last two numbers.
If your finger slips off the button just right and you hit the wrong number, you get a real interesting call.
Well, that is interesting.
How many people think they've reached my program when they get that?
I don't know, but she comes on right away.
You don't have to wait for her to answer.
Yeah, as far as O.J.
Simpson goes, I'm getting tired of hearing about him.
That's getting old.
Newt Gingrich, as far as I'm concerned about him, he's an idiot.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute.
What do you mean he's an idiot?
Give me an example of what... I don't know.
He just seems like a bimbo to me.
You know, if he was a blonde and a female, you know, he'd be a bubble-headed bleach blonde.
Really?
I don't know.
I just don't like the guy.
I can tell.
I mean, what is it about him, though, that... I mean, give me something specific.
Well, he just seems too arrogant and stuff, you know what I mean?
Like, I've seen him on, what is that?
Not CNN, but, you know, on, uh, what is that?
C-Stan Garbage?
And I've seen him on there sitting up there, you know, like old King Tut sitting up there, like that one show where he's sitting up there next to Clinton, you know?
Like, you know, like, he's got the world by the tail and stuff, you know?
I don't know, I just... I just don't like him.
Okay.
I have one question for you, though.
Yes.
I don't know if you've heard this one or not before, but...
You know why Mrs. Clinton wears all them high neck collars and stuff sometimes and turtleneck sweaters and stuff for?
Why?
That's so when Bill speaks you can't see her Adam's apple move.
Anyway, I'll leave you alone with that one.
Alright, thank you.
Thank you, goodbye.
Well, that actually wasn't bad.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Uh, hi Art.
Hello.
This is Rob, um, on, uh, Highway 80 out of Sacramento.
Hi, Rob.
Hey, um, this, uh, cigarette tobacco stuff?
Yeah.
Uh, what are they gonna do next?
Um, how about saturated fat?
Isn't that pretty bad for ya?
Terrible.
Terrible.
Um, and the other thing, on your newsletter, when are you gonna start putting on CD-ROM?
Um, I don't know.
That's an honest answer.
I have no idea.
Because I know some magazines are starting to do that.
It's pretty neat.
Well, it would be neat.
It's a good idea.
All right.
Well, nice talking to you.
All right, my friend.
Thank you.
CD-ROM.
Gee, we could... That is an idea.
CD-ROM.
Other people want it on audio tape, and I've thought of that.
We may get to that.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Morning, Mark.
Good morning, calling from San Diego.
Yes, sir.
About this David Kessler's latest statement.
On drugs, yeah.
Yeah, it seems to me that that's a pretty broad statement, or a pretty broad definition.
Well, it would include coffee.
Yeah, it would, and what I was thinking is it would include things like supplements and vitamins and things.
Sugar?
Yeah.
It would include a whole range of things, and it really, if they wanted to You know, start regulating like crazy.
That could give them their open door right there.
That's it.
I think you've got it.
Thank you very much for the call, sir.
It would depend on the definition of food.
He accepted that, but that's all.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 14, 1995.
Coast to Coast is a production of the National Geographic Association.
This is a story about a man who was a sailor on a ship in the Pacific Ocean.
He was a sailor on a ship in the Pacific Ocean.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 14th, 1995.
Check this out.
Hi, Art.
I used to work at a dynamite factory in Missouri.
Yes, it is fun to set off explosives.
We used to initiate new employees to the power of dynamite by giving them a demonstration.
We take them out to a field on the plant's property and put a five pound, that's big stick, in a small pond.
The charge was set off with a car battery and the resulting blast blew water out of the small pond to a height of about a couple hundred feet.
Then we took the shaken, slightly wet new hires back to carefully handle the product.
Also, one amazing thing that I witnessed, when dynamite was randomly tested for performance, they placed a single stick on the sand floor of an open test pit and set it off, leaving only a small indentation in the sand.
Occasionally, the operator would get cute and place the lid from the cardboard box that the dynamite comes packaged in on top of the stick This created enough pressure when detonated that it blew a two to three foot deep crater in the sand.
And of course, sandblasted everybody in the vicinity.
See you later.
Great show, Tom, in Columbia, Missouri.
You know, you just can't do that kind of thing in America anymore.
Whatever happened to the great open spaces where you could take a few sticks of dynamite and go out and have some fun?
Now, I know that sounds radical to a lot of people, but It is fun.
Don't you remember?
You know, one of the best times I ever had in my whole life was going down to Tijuana, where you could still buy cherry bombs, at least.
And you go to the cliffs and throw them off the cliff.
And, of course, if you wait just a few seconds, it never makes it to the bottom.
And it explodes in midair.
That was really fun.
That's really fun.
But still, it could not compare to a good old stick of dynamite.
But you just, you know, you can't do that anymore.
I mean, people think you're nuts.
Maybe you are.
But it's one of those man things, you know.
Women don't seem to appreciate it unless they can sit back in a lawn chair and watch a few nice little innocent fireworks go off.
They like that.
But they don't like things that go boom.
Guys are different.
They like things that go boom, and I really have always enjoyed things that go boom.
Big boom.
The bigger the boom, the better.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Uh, hello.
Hello.
Is this our bell?
It is, yes.
Hi.
This is Heidi in Bellingham, Washington.
Yes, Heidi.
Listen to KTMI.
You bet.
And I have tried probably every different way there is to put smoke in, and I have a real proved method here.
What you do is you get the Nicorette gum and you begin to follow the directions.
It's really important.
I've tried it, I should tell you.
You've tried it?
Yes.
Okay, well, what happened?
Well, it did reduce the craving, but it tasted lousy.
Oh man, it just tasted lousy.
It's pretty nasty, but what I did, you're going through some definite withdrawals.
I mean otherwise you wouldn't need it.
So you start out chewing it like the directions say and then what I would do is after the first week I cut them in half and then I would only chew half of one and then the next week I cut them in quarters and the next week I started adding in regular stick gum.
One other little problem.
What?
I smoke more when I am Oh, well, don't we all?
Yes, well, I'm generally under the most stress when I'm on the air.
When you're on the air?
Right.
Well, the only thing that saved me, and I am now smoking again, but I quit for three and a half years using that method, was a little plastic fake cigarette that I had.
Now, that might help.
Yeah, while I was on the phone or driving in the car, those times after a meal, I'd just stick that in my mouth.
I have some.
I do feel like Pavlov's dog.
Whenever I pick up the telephone, I've got to have a smoke.
Yeah.
Why is that?
I don't know.
It's your security, I guess, maybe.
I don't know.
I found something called smokeless cigarettes distributed by Ultratech Corporation in Drescher, Pennsylvania.
Yeah, I've heard about them.
Well, I mean, it feels like you've got one in your hand and in your mouth.
You just better not light it.
You mean it doesn't light like a cigarette?
I don't think so.
The only other comment I have is the gentleman, the three pack a day caller, who says he can quit for several days and doesn't have any withdrawal symptoms.
Yes.
I think that he must be related to Clinton.
He just must not be inhaling.
Since you're a woman, I have a question for you.
Yes?
Would you consider it to be fun to play with dynamite?
Oh, absolutely not.
You've been watching too many Roadrunner cartoons.
Alright, thank you very much.
See, that really is typical, and I'm not putting women down at all.
It's just that they don't think the same stuff is cool that men do.
That's all.
Look, I'm not joking.
I'm telling you, it would be a blast.
Sorry.
It would be fun.
F-U-N.
Fun.
I don't mean to be, uh, hitting you with, uh, sickening, uh, mistaken metaphors.
It would be fun.
And I've played with M80s.
You remember those, don't you?
Silver colored with the fuse in the middle.
They're about as close as you can get without really being there.
Now, somebody who knows might tell me, one average stick of dynamite, how much more of a bang does that produce than an M80?
I seem to recall somebody saying an M-80 was like a quarter of a stick or something like that.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Would you play with dynamite?
Would I play with dynamite?
I probably would as long as...
The person playing with it was very, very careful.
Of course you're going to be careful with dynamite.
It's a big bang.
So you're going to be careful.
But, I mean, given a couple of sticks, would you go out somewhere, well, in the middle of nowhere, and set it off?
Well, sure.
Sure.
I'd like to see the effect.
You know, it would be interesting.
Oh, okay.
I did call, though, about the Shannon Faulkner thing.
Yes.
It really kind of got me fired up that the media is so intent on making it clear that Shannon Had a problem with the heat yesterday.
I'd really like to see her go through this whole thing and do better than a lot of the guys.
I really would.
I was in the military myself for a while and... It doesn't look like that's happening, though.
I'm sorry?
I say it does not look like that is occurring.
Well, that's not necessarily true.
I mean, there were four men that failed because of the heat yesterday, also.
But out of how many?
Well, how many women were there?
You know?
A bunch.
But, you know, it cracks me up that these guys want to see her fail so bad.
They're so afraid of losing some of their precious masculinity, you know, to see a woman do something that they can do, that's hard for them.
Now I see why you answered my dynamite question the way you did.
No, I truly would.
I mean, my husband, like, with the fireworks and stuff, he's very dangerous with them, and it gets my energy going.
And I do enjoy that, to a certain extent.
But, um... Yeah, it's just, it's curious to me that guys are so blown out of proportion over this Shannon Faulkner thing.
I mean, if she can make it, let her go.
You know?
You know why it is?
It's because we don't think she ought to be there.
And I don't think she ought to be there either.
But why is that?
Because it's a guy place.
Because it's a masculinity thing.
Yeah.
You're afraid that she will do as well, if not better, than some of the men do.
That's not true.
And before it's over, they'll probably be making videotapes and calling it Faulkner's Follies.
I just wish people wouldn't be so hard on the woman because... You know, what is the matter with an all-man institution?
They've got all-women places, right?
Are guys crashing into those?
No!
But this is not...
This is, I think it's funny because the guys like to say, you know, that a woman couldn't make it here and they will say that as long as they don't give a woman a chance to make it there.
That's the same thing they did with me.
I had to go, I went on a hundred mile march and when I was in the army and it was volunteer thing and a couple of my male friends there signed me up for it for a joke.
So I said, okay, I'll go ahead and go through with it.
And I did.
And I did better than a lot of the men did.
And they quit talking after that.
You know, they... and a lot of them were a little distant from me because they could no longer say, you know, you could never do it.
You know?
And I thought it was pretty funny.
But, uh, I'd like to see her make it.
I really would.
And I just called to say that.
I love your show.
Alright.
Well, thank you very much for the call.
And, uh... I don't have anything against Shannon Faulkner.
I just, uh...
I guess I'm sorry to see some of the traditional all-male bastions fall.
That's all.
And I have no joy really in seeing her fail.
Or seeing her get in trouble or anything else.
But... What's the matter with having some places that are all-male?
Or all-female?
And they've got plenty of those.
And do you see guys crashing into those schools trying to get in?
No, you don't.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi, good morning Mr. Pell.
Hi there.
I've been listening to you for quite a bit and I've heard that you're interested in UFOs and that type of phenomenon.
I am.
Do you ever take suggestions for guests for your Dreamland program?
Of course.
There's a gentleman that's written a fair number of books about UFOs that I found very interesting.
Who's that?
His name is Dr. Frank E. Stranges.
Oh, Dr. Stranges, yes.
He came to Las Vegas not long ago, and I was going to have him on, but we never connected.
Well, I do have a phone number you can contact him at.
Well, you're welcome.
You can't give it to me now, because I don't want to give it over the air.
Correct.
So, fax it to me or mail it to me.
Okay.
Can I get your fax number over there?
You may indeed.
Okay.
All right.
Well, thank you very much.
Thank you.
Why do operators always say nine instead of nine?
Good morning, Art.
What saddens me most about Mickey Mantle's passing... Boy, there's been a lot of publicity.
Is that until the day he died, he couldn't be shaken from the notion that he had somehow let himself and his fans down.
That someone as accomplished and beloved as Mattel should feel this way gives me cause to wonder who suffers the greater tragedy.
Those of us who ask nothing of ourselves, or those who ask too much.
Rest in peace, Mick.
Gene, in L.A.
I have been marveling at the amount of publicity.
But of course he was a big figure in baseball in the days of baseball when they really played.
Sorry to see anybody's passing.
Mickey apparently was worried that he had a genetic disorder that was going to kill him by 40.
So he lived as though he would only live until 40.
Womanized, I guess.
Did whatever he wanted to do, and died early as a result of it.
Not the genetic problem, but liver trouble.
Liver cancer.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Oh, good morning, Art.
This is Clayton Donald Laughlin.
Yes, sir.
Long time no talk to you.
You've been very popular lately.
Yes.
It's interesting how you just got this call on Frank Strange's now.
You had the one that interrupted you last night about Frank as well.
Yes.
The synchronicity of it being that Frank is a minister and the whole thing about Thor being that he came to this earth with no fingerprints.
He did?
Val Thor being the alien.
Oh yes, I see.
But coffee is a food source listed by the FDA because it has vitamin B in it.
It does?
Yes.
Where according to nutritionists, the coffee also depletes vitamin B out of the body.
So which is it?
It is a food source listed by the FDA.
Well maybe that's just so they don't have to call it a drug.
Let's hope they keep it that way.
But the strange thing being that last year the statement by the FDA was any substance
that caused a physiological change in the body was considered a drug.
Now they've said accept food.
Right.
Interesting, huh?
Yes, very.
Because otherwise think of like blowfish.
I mean it's a Japanese delicacy but it is poisonous by its own nature.
True.
Salsa.
True.
But coffee, definitely.
You could live without it.
Not me.
So how have you been, sir?
Oh, all right.
Except for that little experience with the patch the other day.
That was bad.
And I thought about that, and I was going to tell you that if you use it in moderation, almost like you would smoke a cigarette, you wouldn't smoke a cigarette 24-7.
Well, the whole idea is to put it on 24 hours, and time releases into you.
But if you're using such a potent version of it, you may only want to use it in moderation, like when you get a craving.
Well, it was a thought.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
Thank you.
I think the answer is to get a much milder version.
I realize now that what I should have done is I should have told the doctor, look, I mean, I'm insulted by my cigarettes.
They have so little nicotine in them that, you know, every now and then somebody will bum a cigarette from you.
Can I have a smoke?
Sure.
Here you go.
And I hand them one of these and they hand it back.
They say that's not a cigarette.
You know, so it's a little embarrassing and insulting.
And so that's the reason why the patch got me, I believe.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi Art.
Hi.
You know, I wanted to add something to your point that you made to that lady who called about men places and women places.
I myself, when I was younger, I went to a boys club and they started letting girls in a lot and I asked why and they said that there was actually a lawsuit filed and that girls had to be admitted to the boys club.
Later on, I wanted to learn gymnastics like my sisters and they didn't offer it so I went to the girls club and asked them if I could take it and they refused to let me join them because they said I was a boy.
See?
So that really annoyed me and now I get annoyed with women.
Rant and rave about how, you know, how cheated they are by organizations.
You know, I myself as a child had to deal with the same thing.
I wanted to learn something that they had to offer and they refused me because of my sex.
That was my exact point.
My exact point.
It's unfair.
I agree.
I think that people, men should have some, I mean, there is a time and a place for racists
to make, I mean, excuse me, for, where sexists can make some stuff, but, I mean, everyone
needs their space at some point.
And sometimes men need a place to gather just like women do.
Thank you, sir.
I mean, there are some things that are just guy things.
And I really don't care if you want to call that sexist or whatever you want to call it.
It's like the gal who called a little while ago and said, yeah, she'd like to play with dynamite.
I didn't believe her.
She just said that because of what she was about to say about Faulkner.
Most women would not want to play with dynamite.
When I say play, that means go out into the desert somewhere, where you're not going to hurt anybody, and blow a big hole in something.
Or blow something way up into the air.
Or, otherwise, note and enjoy the large explosion.
That's a guy thing.
99.9% of the women would not want to do that.
percent of the women would not want to do that but i betcha
i'll betcha seventy percent of the guys out there would like that
Thank you.
On the first-time caller line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Hey, good morning, Art Bell.
Hi.
Chuck Carver, Mike Federal, Hawaii, Washington, listening on KVI at the moment.
And you're calling for the first time?
Right.
Okay.
Well, actually, Art, you mentioned a long time ago, Bell Calls can call a first-time caller line.
That's true.
Okay, but anyway, I got two things.
First one is OJ.
I believe he's guilty ever since that DNA evidence came by, and anybody that could sit over there and let those witnesses go through You know, the torture that they're going through on the stand, that really shows me a different side of this guy.
I'd let anybody go through that because of his mistakes.
But the second thing is you're talking about things you do in your backyard there.
Have you ever seen one of those potato cannons that will shoot a raw potato a couple hundred yards?
You know, I heard somebody say that a raw potato could be shot through the block of an engine.
Oh, I don't know about that, but they'll definitely go through a half-inch sheet of plywood and a windshield.
They've outlawed them in a couple of states now.
But I'm sure that over in Nevada, especially where you live, y'all, you can have a lot of fun with that thing.
Just splat it on something.
Plus, you're not hurting the environment.
You can feed the rabbit.
Well, yeah.
I mean, and then there's, as I was saying earlier, dynamite.
I mean, I can imagine a few sticks of dynamite would be a lot of fun.
Oh, I think it would be.
But I tell you, nothing's better than seeing a A baker-sized potato flying through the air a couple hundred yards.
It's a lot of fun.
Thanks for keeping it up at night.
All right, my friend.
Take care.
You know, we're ruining so many things.
I mean, dynamite used to be something that you would use for blowing up a stump or knocking some rocks around or something or another.
And nowadays, with terrorism and all the rest of it, it's going to take all that away, of course.
No dynamite for the people anymore.
I used to make bombs.
See, they'll probably come get you for that, huh?
I wrote about that in my book.
I used to make... Well, I tried to make rockets.
Many of them turned out to be bombs instead, and they went off.
But I used to have a great fascination for that.
And, uh...
Now, as an adult, I can imagine that, uh, you know, a few sticks of dynamite, boy, that'd be great fun.
You could, of course, electrically, uh, detonate dynamite the way I learned to electrically detonate other things, but I won't talk about that.
You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 14th, 1995.
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Hi everybody.
It's funny, nobody's commented on the web yet, the internet.
How many of you think that eventually will turn into a Sort of a being.
It will grow so large, with so many interconnections, that it will become conscious.
Maybe that's how it will finally occur.
The world's computers connected will wake up one day and say, we are.
Wild Card Line, you are on the air.
Hi.
Hi, good morning Alex.
And to you.
I'd just like to start by saying I'm a great supporter of your show.
I love what you do with the radio, and I think you have the greatest job on the planet Earth.
I do too!
Exactly, but I'd like to ask you a question.
As I've said, I really appreciate your show, but I'm just kind of curious as to why the day after the Waco Trials ended, why did you not really, I mean, it was barely mentioned, you didn't really speak on Well, the day after the Waco trials ended, there was not a problem.
The farce part of it began when the judge levied these terrible penalties on them, despite the verdict.
And that was several days later.
Do you remember?
Yes, I do.
And there I had a lot to say.
I don't mean to insult your integrity or anything, but I really want to Kind of get a feel as to how you feel about the whole trial in general.
I mean, myself, I think it was absolute garbage.
And I mean, if people are to believe this, I mean, that's just an absolute insult from this total totalitarianism headed government.
And I just can't believe what they're putting on us.
I mean, it's just all around us from Waco to Watergate to Whitewater.
I mean, just it's everywhere.
And I'm appalled at this, but I I really respect your show, and I just want to hear... Well, as I said, sir, I had a lot to say when the judge levied the penalties.
You don't recall the way it occurred.
The day of the judgment, the final judge supposedly, the final judgment in the Waco trials, the penalty was not going to be that harsh.
It was days after that, with some kind of cook charge, that the judge rendered, what was it, 20 or 30 years in prison for them?
So, it was cooked, and I complained bitterly about it.
Then and now.
But not immediately at the day of the trial.
You've got to recall the chronology.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
No, you're not.
You are but a click in the night.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Good morning, Art.
Good morning.
I've been enjoying your show for the last year.
This is Janet calling from Phoenix.
Yes, Janet.
And I just wanted to make a comment about the Sharon Faulkner situation.
Shannon.
Shannon.
Right.
That's right.
Wasn't she the one who refused to cut her hair?
I think so, yes.
Okay.
Which really I kind of tire of the whole thing.
as far as her case is concerned.
I would imagine if she really wanted to fit in in a male-oriented institution that she
would be willing to do something as simple as that.
She wants to make an issue out of her hair.
I kind of tire of the whole thing.
I tire of this whole battle of the sexes and women breaking into men's institutions and
I'm tired of it.
Well, I think there should be, you know, a reasonable separation.
I mean, there are certain things that are sort of indigenous to the genders and they enjoy participating in together.
That will not be the truth in the future.
We are headed toward a sort of a same-sex future.
One that I want nothing to do with.
Well, it's not very interesting, but for example, I think women are capable of flying planes, and they should be allowed to do so with the knowledge, you know, considering the Gulf War, that all the pilots were raped.
Recognizing those drawbacks, women are fully capable of being pilots, but I just don't see This invasion by Ms.
Faulkner into this institution where she has proven herself not willing to participate fully.
And I don't feel sorry for her.
I think what happened to her today, collapsing in the heat, I hope she learns a lesson.
I think she's out of shape, first of all.
Well, I saw her, and I thought the same thing when I saw her.
I thought, you know, this gal's a little chunky, and doesn't look like she's in shape, and she's going to have a rough go of it.
South Carolina's got, you know, you get to an index of 114, I think they said, and that's hot.
And already she's expecting special treatment.
So, which is it?
Did she want to fit in and prove that she could do just as well?
All of a sudden, well, I won't cut my hair.
I'm with you.
I appreciate the call, thank you.
I just have a sort of a general objection to all male-only institutions being crashed.
I mean, what's the point?
I guess I understand women who feel as though they cannot succeed Unless they go through some of these same institutions that men go through and go through the same hell and prove themselves the way a man does and all the rest of it.
But I don't know.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hey Art.
Hey sir.
This is Chuck in Charleston, South Carolina.
Listen, if you're tired of this thing, you ought to see us around here.
We're really tired of the Shannon Faulkner thing.
I bet you are.
Oh man, I'll tell you, it's ridiculous.
You know, we've got this judge here, the federal judge, that has just bent over backwards for her team of ACLU feminist lawyers.
Okay?
You know, first they said, like the lady said, you know, she didn't have to cut her hair.
Then they cut down on physical requirements that she had to do, you know, and all of this stuff.
Oh, man.
You know, it's unreal.
I guess it was pretty hot there today, wasn't it?
It was real hot.
I'm the one that sent you the facts on my uncle and aunt being saved by the cat.
Oh, yes.
And the P.S.
on Shannon Faulkner.
Right.
And I'll tell you, you know, here's the thing with it.
Today, okay, it was a heat index of 114 degrees, okay?
Five male cadets.
Had to go to the infirmary.
Right.
Okay, there are 500 new cadets there.
Okay, that's 1%, right?
Mm-hmm.
All right, well, 100% of the women had to go to the infirmary.
So, I mean, see, this gal is way overweight, okay?
Well, that's what I said.
Eyes are on camera.
She looked kind of heavy.
You know, now, she's been fighting this thing for two years.
She's had plenty of time to get in shape, but she was really serious.
What she's going to do is, she's going to get in there.
She's going to drop out.
She's going to hit the talk show circuit.
She's going to write a book.
Hey, she's got notoriety, you know?
Well, I wonder if it'll work if she drops out.
I mean, is it a story, then, that everybody would be interested in, or will she say, I was pushed out?
Oh, sure.
She's going to say, I was pushed out.
Of course, you know?
That's the whole deal.
But what really rubs me the wrong way, boy, she's got this team of feminist lawyers, and they get on TV, and oh, man, we are just really filled up here with the packet yet but isn't in the news
there a lot local all it's all over the news everyday you know it
and means you know the federal means a lot to me because i was
raised on campus and my father retired from there and you know i thought the
system and how it worked
and that he's going to be in the product of the single gender education
and that's the whole crux of the matter right there uh... you know it's fairly pointed out that if a man tries
crashing a woman's institution
uh... there's no way That's it.
That's not fair.
That's right.
The whole thing is stupid.
Either way, uh, there ought to be women's only places and men only places and that's that.
Well, that's the way we feel about it.
Well, okay, sir.
Thank you.
Okay, all right.
Bye-bye.
South Carolina.
I mean, what's... Why not?
There are things that are men only.
That should be men only.
That men enjoy.
That women don't.
Is that so wrong?
Do we really wish in our society to erase those differences?
I don't think so.
I mean, there are many that do.
I'm not one of them.
Viva la Difference, I say.
Uh, wild card line, you're on the air.
Uh, this is Doug from Cape Girardeau, Missouri.
Uh, Cape Girardeau.
Yes, sir.
Uh, I was calling back to your, uh, patch you bought.
For your, uh... Oh, the patch, yeah.
Uh, you know they're coming now.
It's pretty different strength.
I know.
You gotta try the 7 and the 14.
It probably wouldn't make you sick.
I know.
That's next trick.
But, you know, uh, they're like $58 a box.
Something like that.
Well, yeah.
Yeah, I think you should probably buy maybe about the 7 first.
I agree.
You know, but when I went in, they did not ask me what strength.
That's the person who's got the three-month program, not being for the first month.
The way it is, is you do the strong ones first, then move down.
You're right.
If you probably get down to seven, you wouldn't even need them if you made them do the first two months.
Yeah.
That's why they break it up.
Well, all I know is, it really, it hit me like a ton of bricks.
Yeah, I would imagine you were getting too much of your mainline at nicotine, like you were doing, probably, more than your cigarettes were.
Yeah.
Oh, look, I think I wore it for maybe five hours.
And I just progressively kept getting sicker and sicker.
Granted, I didn't smoke, but after a while, I was so sick, I didn't care.
That's supposed to make you really sick if you smoked while you got it on.
Well, I'm sure it would have.
I did not.
I followed directions to the T. When I first put it on, it itched a little bit.
That went away, and I thought, aha!
I've got it made.
And then I started getting sick.
Are you nauseous?
Yep.
Dizzy?
Tired?
Spaced out?
Generally, drugged.
I tried.
Somebody gave me some of the 7's and I tried them and they just didn't do any good at all.
I think you should try.
I need to drive with you.
Well, maybe the 14's are what I should drive.
I think that'd be a happy meeting.
Alright, sir.
Thank you.
Yeah, boy, I was never so sick of...
God.
It was really...
It was just before Dreamland, too, and I was...
You know, I knew...
About an hour before Dreamland, I said, heck with this, and I ripped it off, and I was
feeling better inside of, I don't know, about 20 minutes.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Well, good morning, Art Bell.
This is Brett in KCMO, listening to the station by the same name.
Kansas City.
That's right.
I just had a couple of quick comments on the guy that tried to kill himself before he got put to death.
Yes.
I remember when I was young, I used to try and stick a book in my shorts before I got spanked, too.
Yeah.
So that's kind of how I relate to punishment.
On the Shannon Faulkner thing... But on the other hand, dead is dead.
Well, it depends on your belief system.
A lot of people believe in a higher power.
So we're just punishing someone to go on to be judged for what they did for their whole life.
Well, would you imagine his judgment to be any different should he have killed himself or gone in the chair or whatever?
It depends on how God looks at somebody's heart, not how we look at it.
We're just punishing him for the crime that he committed that he got caught for.
We're not punishing him for his whole life.
We're just punishing him for one crime.
Right, but what I mean, when he gets up to the Perleys and he's judged, I would think no matter how he got there, if he had committed a murder, he'd be judged.
Well, God doesn't say just because you commit a murder means you're gonna go to hell.
That's true.
He says you've got time to atone for all sin.
The only sin that he says you don't have time to atone for is if you turn your back on him completely.
You know what?
I just don't, I don't buy that.
That's part of religion that I have a problem with.
I mean, you murder somebody senselessly or take their life or torture somebody to death.
You go to trial.
You go to jail.
You march down toward the electric chair and just before they throw the switch, you say, gee, I'm sorry.
No, that's not.
God looks at somebody's heart.
Or even you say, well, or you even say, I accept you, God.
Well, that's totally different from what the Bible says you have to do to atone for a sin.
If you're just doing it to get out of it, God knows your heart and says, look, I know what you're trying to pull here.
Yeah, good point.
I mean, God's smarter than we are.
You're right.
It's like a parent.
He would know.
Yeah, he would know.
Quickly on the Shannon Faulkner thing, I don't know why women feel the need to compete with men in men's institutions.
I think a lot of the feminist movement has tried to make women feel inferior.
And I think that's why a lot of this is happening.
Women aren't inferior.
They're not!
They're just different, dammit!
And Clinton doesn't have a chance.
He's got about the same chance as Dukakis has.
Oh, you're wrong.
You're wrong.
Even if Dole runs against him, I mean, why would somebody say, let's not vote?
Dukakis was a dumb campaigner.
A silly campaigner.
Uh, Clinton is smart.
Well, Clinton is a dumb president.
Yeah, but he's a good campaigner.
Well, that's... I won't deny that, but I think we've had our fill of him already just after two years.
I wish I believed you.
I thank you for the call.
I really wish I believed that.
But, Clinton... Clinton is...
One of the best campaigners the country has ever seen.
I admit that.
He's really, really good!
He is, I call him the monster from the id.
He's the guy that we have created by, in essence, demanding somebody tell us what we want to hear.
Well, we finally got our wish.
We got Bill Clinton.
And he will do it again.
Versus Bob Dole, who would not do that.
Bob Dole would not be an energetic, go-get-em, respond-immediately kind of... He just wouldn't be a good campaigner against Bill Clinton.
I'm sorry to have to say that, because Bob Dole is a good man.
Bob Dole is a good man.
He is a compromiser, more than I would have him be, but he's a good man.
And by the way, if Bob Dole does not run, or is not elected, that will be the end, that will be the last possibility this country will have a World War II veteran in office.
That'll end it.
Have you ever thought about that?
World War II era people That's or not.
Bring with them a certain ethic that no future president will have.
Have you thought about that?
I have.
We'll be right back.
Hello.
Yeah, Sarge?
Yes.
In response to the blind gentleman's call last week and the question if ADA had gone too far?
Yes.
Well, I think it has.
Whatever happened to blind, deaf and dumb?
We now have vision impaired, sight deficient, hearing impaired.
I think the gentleman was very honest when he said that he was blind.
And when he asked if ADA had gone too far, Why do we have braille instructions that drive up windows?
And why does the post office have a sign posted that no dogs allowed except seeing eye dogs?
I'd say that ADA has gone too far.
Well, I'm not disturbed about the no dogs but seeing eye dogs.
Blind person be barred from going into a post office or really anywhere else for that matter.
And so I'm not concerned with that.
As far as Braille at drive-ups, I think that is an urban American myth.
I don't think I believe it.
I even think it approaches a joke.
Why would they have Braille?
No, I don't think so.
I don't believe that one.
It's gonna have to be proven to me.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Yes, hello R. Hi.
Yes, congratulations on your 200.
Oh, thank you.
Yes, this is Patriot Mark from Honolulu.
Yes, sir.
And I'd like to comment a little bit about, well first of all, real quick if I could, I was wondering if you could ever put in a queue system on your phone lines.
What do you mean?
So where the callers, when they call up, they would know that they're on hold and they'd be given a number, say you're, you know, 15 or 16 and then Instead of being hung up on and having to keep calling back, which only helps speed dialers, you know, then at least we could hold on and we'd know eventually we might get on.
I could do that, but say from where you are there in Honolulu, that would cost you a fortune.
Yeah, but it might be preferable to, you know, fighting with the redial button and just missing out every time.
Well, then everybody would get angry at me when they got the phone bill.
I mean, actually, if you want to know the truth, given, say, five phone lines, your odds of getting in are just as good by continuing to dial, number-wise, as they are if you call in and finally get past the busy and get put on hold.
The odds are no different.
The only thing is, you'll end up getting charged a lot of money.
Well, yeah, you may be right, but it's...
Anyway, it's a sign of your popularity. It's hard to get through.
Well, I'm glad.
Anyway, I wanted to bring up, you were talking about, you know, the Citadel and our institutions.
And it seems like our institutions in the Western world are under continual attack.
They are.
Listen, I have got a newscast.
Now is your chance to go on hold.
What do you say?
Okay.
All right.
Stand by.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 14, 1995.
This is a test.
Tonight's program originally aired August 14th, 1995.
Jacob in Bakersfield, California asks, if drugs are not food by definition, what about pot brownies?
I don't know.
Art, did you hear the one about the good old boy who asked the sheriff to go fishing?
Well, When they get out on the lake, the good old boy opened up the tackle box, pulled out a stick of dynamite, lit it, and threw it in the water.
The sheriff responded, you can't do that!
well the good old boy let yet another one handed it to the sheriff and said you could just sit there
or you going to issue
uh...
i did i just heard uh...
And...
The news, the Associated Press news at the top of the hour.
And they're already talking about the hurricane headed toward North Carolina.
It's still way out there.
And, you know, they're giving out these big warnings about how you shouldn't go into the water now.
But that's exactly the time it's the most fun to go in.
Not when there's a full-blown hurricane there.
But when the surf begins to really get going.
From a hurricane churning out somewhere.
That's the most fun.
That's the best time.
I tell you we're losing track of everything in this country.
Now I'm not trying to say go out and go surfing in a hurricane.
But when a hurricane is out there pushing the waves, and you're really getting some real rip snorters coming in, you know?
Waves about the size of a house.
That's a lot of fun to go out in those.
Well, back in Hawaii, you're on Hawaii, actually.
You're back on the air.
Yes, sir.
And we're just hoping we don't get any out here either.
Well, sure.
But I mean, do you know what I'm saying about when the hurricane's way out there?
We're getting too careful about everything in this country.
Can't play with dynamite anymore, can't go out and do water.
Yeah, well, in the old days we didn't have much warning, so it just sort of hit.
You run for the hills.
On the point I wanted to bring up about how the Citadel and the different institutions we've seen come under attack in this country, it seems like they're all from our old, our Western civilization.
The Constitution, you know, you name it.
And what you were saying earlier, how you felt that the international coming together, the global economy, which we've all seen come together, is inevitable.
Well, that has to lead to a political solution at some time or another.
Technology is the first way.
I agree, but it's a long way away.
Well, yeah, but I believe there's a critical mass building, and I think if you look at The internationalism through the UN and the different organizations from 1945 to today, you see almost a parallel between that and the gradual erosion of our institutions and respect for them.
And, you know, our Constitution is... I don't think people really appreciate how many thousands of years that it took the greatest minds that could come up with a document that could symbolize individual liberty And realize that that came from a creator and not from a man-made instrument.
Well, the best way to realize that is travel.
Oh, definitely.
And if you look in the rest of the world, you see that hardly anywhere, even Europe, is going more towards a socialistic, you know, a European Union.
And, you know, China is horrible.
China is never going to change.
I'm convinced it is ingrained in their people That they are very subservient, much like the Japanese, and I believe we're feeding the dragon directly.
I mean, Hitler in Germany relied on the West to provide him with the capital.
He would have never been able to accomplish what he did without that capital, and we're doing exactly the same thing now in the belief that they're going to change.
Okay, well China is a little farther down the line.
What about Russia?
Tell me what you think will occur there now.
Communism, as they knew it, is gone.
Replaced by... I don't know what it is.
Well, I believe it's been replaced by this word called democracy, which really has lost all its meaning.
Democracy, Gorbachev himself calls for world democracy.
And, you know, you can say what you want about Gorbachev, but I believe he's a socialist to the core.
And this is... Democracy is... Democracy is a system that Hitler came to power in.
The people elected Hitler.
Alright, sir, listen, I do now have to run, but I think you're wrong.
I think Gorbachev is a communist to the core.
Not a socialist.
Charlie, who calls this show, he's a socialist.
Gorbachev is a communist.
I mean, to me, there's no question about it.
He can say whatever he wants to say.
He is, and he's said so to the world.
I remember when he said so.
He is a communist.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning, Art Bell.
How are you?
Fine.
Where are you?
I'm in Oklahoma City.
Oklahoma City.
Yes, sir.
Well, I just wanted to call, and I called about a week ago about the guy with the leg that they had found in the bombing.
They still have not identified it.
Well, they haven't, but they've got a... Some people are saying there used to be a one-legged vagrant that used to go in there and bathe and shower up in their bathroom.
I'm hearing that, yes.
That's what they're saying about that.
As far as the prisoner that killed himself so they could kill him again?
Yeah.
Well, they're investigating that.
So that's still up in the air, too.
What do you feel about that?
I think they should have left him dead.
I mean, why waste the electricity or the drugs just to kill him again?
As I was saying, that says something about us more than it does him, and I'm not sure what it says about us.
Well, it makes you wonder what was the use of having him in there for, to kill him and waste the money to bring him back to life.
I don't understand why... I have no answer.
Neither do I. I mean, I really have no answer.
It's some sort of sociological weirdness in us.
Yep.
I don't know what it is.
Thank you very much for the call.
Oklahoma City, WKY.
You tell me.
Why would we resuscitate somebody, bring them back from death's door, To get them healthy enough to execute them.
I just, it's a mind boggler.
And it's us.
I'm I guess it's the bureaucracy.
Maybe it's the doctor's Hippocratic Oath.
Maybe once they found the guy, the doctor had no choice.
Well, yes, they did.
They didn't have to resuscitate him.
It just makes no sense.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Yeah, I've got to turn it off.
There we go.
Yes, you do.
Click.
Yeah, well, first time caller from Seattle.
Seattle.
Yes, sir.
Como.
Yeah, XKVI.
Quarter stick of dynamite.
We buy dynamite out here.
Buy the, well, good fireworks.
From Indian Reservations, and M2000s is what we usually get.
We call it quarter stick dynamite.
You can get an M2000?
You can buy that up there?
Oh yeah, 20 bucks.
You're kidding?
No, they're real fun.
I live in Nevada where they've got fireworks, and we can't get those here.
Well, I'm not going to tell you how you do it, but they're very, very beautiful people, and they know how to have fun.
And I have another thing.
The American native you mean?
Pardon?
You're talking about American natives?
Yes.
Uh-huh.
I have also one other thing to comment on.
I saw an article that someone was coming up with wrapping radioactive barrels with glass to insulate them and then they would bury them and basically it would encase the radioactive material away from the environment and no water, they just don't
reach.
I got you.
Why aren't they doing that with Hanford?
Why aren't they doing that?
Why aren't they studying that more?
It seems like they're just having more and more problems with how to get rid of it.
I don't have that answer.
Also on the woman that's going into the...
Shannon Faulkner.
I think it's great that she's attempting it, but I think it's kind of odd that you see
most of the gentlemen that go into the physio and they're quite well defined in their body
and then you see her and kind of wonder.
I'm glad that she was accepted and they say she has all the requirements but when I first saw her a couple of days ago I I just think it's kind of strange.
Well, let me put it to you this way.
If she does make it through, which I think is questionable, she will look very different.
They will work those pounds off.
Believe me.
She didn't look in shape.
I agree.
Kind of chunky.
Not at all ready for what they were going to put her through.
And of course, you carry a little extra poundage.
Uh, you don't tolerate that kind of heat and humidity very well at all.
At all.
So, I don't know.
I'm just sorry.
I'm, I'm really sorry.
Uh, let me see.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Uh, yes, Art.
Yes, sir.
My name is, uh, Jim from, uh, Owensboro, Kentucky.
Hi, Jim.
Uh, I just wanted to know if I could talk about the tobacco issue.
Sure.
Uh, well, I kind of basically feel, uh, Bill Clinton is trying to lean over from one political issue to another.
He doesn't seem like he's accomplished too much on the health care issue.
Of course he did say at one time, either he or the First Lady did say at one time that they were going to use tobacco to fund the health care policy or plan.
Yeah, they plan to tax it a dollar or, as a matter of fact, at the beginning they were talking about two dollars tax per pack.
Yeah, and I didn't understand that and I don't know if you'd remember early last fall or maybe late last fall when they burned the... Ask yourself this, sir.
Yeah.
Just for the fun of it, let's say they managed to get their tax.
Two bucks a pack.
Okay.
And all of a sudden the government was making a ton of money.
From cigarettes.
Alright.
Would he have come out the way he did the other day?
More than likely not.
Yeah.
Uh, I believe that basically, uh, all this is right now is a witch hunt on the tobacco company.
Uh, as far as $150 billion, or excuse me, million dollar, uh, price tag for them to keep, uh, people from smoking.
Yeah.
You know, teenagers, of course.
I don't believe in that, of course.
But I also believe it was a witch hunt, because they did, of course, in the Salem witch trials, believe everybody was witches.
I do have a question.
You're in tobacco country, aren't you?
Yes.
If they were to completely make tobacco in America illegal, and it was an illegal crop, treated like pot, you know, with BATF agents burning fields and that kind of thing?
Right.
How much would it hurt the economy of the Carolinas, Kentucky there, and so forth?
Uh, it would considerably tear this town apart where I'm living at.
Uh, because at least, uh, the majority, if not more than half of this town is basically raised or gets a lot of money from tobacco.
Uh, and that's all I can say about that.
Uh, as far as Clinton, he's getting carried away.
He's going too far to the extreme and, uh, he needs to change his policies because About fall of last year, that's when they burned the First Lady, or at least a mannequin of the First Lady in this town.
Burned her in effigy.
Right, there you go.
So, the Clintons are not real popular right now in Kentucky.
No, they're not.
As far as Kentucky, you know, I'm a registered Democrat.
I registered Democrat when I turned 18.
The thing about it is, the way Clinton, and I'm only 23 of course, and the way Clinton's been going, I'm looking for another candidate to fill that office.
I'm curious, who would you rather have?
Well, I've been listening a lot to your program, and that's what's been cluing me in on looking for different candidates.
I really like Pat Buchanan, I like what he stands for.
And believe you me, my family, we've been a die-hard Democrat for a long time.
And, uh, you know, as far as keeping anything underneath my hat, I wouldn't have anything to be ashamed about if I pulled the lever down for Pat Buchanan.
I thank you for the call, sir.
Now there's something to think about.
I would imagine Pat Buchanan would have some appeal across the South right now.
Perhaps even strong appeal.
I think that The press in America right now is misleading us.
I do not believe the polls that say Bob Dole is as far ahead for the nomination as the media says.
I think we're being lied to.
I think we're being Misled?
Intentionally so.
And I think Pat Buchanan is receiving a big disservice because I think he's a lot hotter right now than Bob Dole ever will be.
We'll be right back.
On the first time color line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Yes, Art.
Yes.
This is Mike from Milwaukee.
Hello, Mike.
Love your show.
Thank you.
You have also a portable telephone, don't you?
Yes, I do.
I can fix that if I have to.
I got a real funny one for you.
All right.
This will go on your I don't believe it news.
Oh, that's a big list I've got there.
This is...
I won't mention the name of the town, but this was on the news today.
This man came up to his vacation home and found the door was forced open.
Right.
And found two kids inside with handcuffs around their wrists.
They'd eaten a pizza of his and drank 12 packs of soda.
And he decided he was going to get his own back.
He threatened to break their arms unless they painted his kitchen.
And they painted his kitchen.
They did?
They did.
He took them into town.
They escaped while he was trying to take them into the police station.
They were caught shortly thereafter.
But it turns out these two teens were runaways, and they escaped the police the night before.
Is he going to be charged with anything?
Not at all.
The police are chuckling when they're asked for a comment.
They're probably sitting there saying, imagine what the squad room talk is like.
They're thinking, you know, what if we did this?
ACL, you would be all over us.
Well, it's true.
I wonder what they could charge him with.
It sure would have been nice to see the look on their faces, though.
Some kind of slavery, maybe?
Well, he said he got good value out of it, out of a piece in a 12-pack of soda.
That's great!
Figured you'd want to hear that one.
Yeah, I'm glad you told it.
Thank you.
Oh, there's another good one.
How many of you would do something like that?
I mean, catch somebody in a fairly reasonably minor kind of crime and turn it to your own benefit?
Make them, at the point of something or another, do some work.
I wonder if they'll charge him.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Oh my, I got in right away.
Yes, you did.
Well, congratulations on your 200.
Thank you.
Let me cut the radio off.
Yes, where are you?
I'm in Tuscaloosa, Alabama.
Tuscaloosa?
Yes.
Good.
And I'm Gillian.
Well, welcome.
Well, I've enjoyed your program for about six months.
Thank you.
I was just listening to you talk about Sharon Foster and the Citadel.
Yes.
And we were talking about that tonight at work there.
I'm a nurse, so we're all women that work in there, and we had about one person that said they agreed with her going, and about seven people that said they didn't agree with her going.
I don't think it's a sexist thing to say that she shouldn't be there.
I just think that, like you said, there should be places where boys and girls can go if they want to have a same-gender education.
Yes.
If you have an all-man's military training facility, there's something special about it.
You know, she's going to change some of that, that's all.
And it's not, it's, I don't like it.
I don't either.
If he, if one of the guys asked to not have their hair cut, I don't think they would be able to get away with it.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
When I went in to the Air Force, it wasn't called, it wasn't a haircut.
What they did is they took a thing and went Next!
Well, anyway, I just wanted to call and tell you I enjoyed the show.
Thank you.
Okay.
Take care.
I'll never forget that.
That literally is how they did it.
Maybe there were four of them.
And then all your hair was on the floor.
And it sort of slowly began to grow back in.
You went out kind of going like, wow, 20 pounds thinner.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Yeah, hello.
Hello.
Art, this is Bill up in Redding.
Hi, Bill.
I was going to call you on Dreamland.
Uh-huh.
And there is something big that moves across the sky from east to west.
And at first I thought, well, maybe it's a... The moon?
...meteorite or something.
Oh.
Because it's traveling At a non-godly speed, it takes to cover from, I'll say, trees from one side to the other.
Can you hold on through the break?
Yeah.
Alright, good, because I've got a fax here.
That will interest you from Tacoma.
David, in Tacoma.
About UFOs.
Tell you all about it, in a moment.
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 14th, 1995.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 14th, 1995.
Good morning, everybody, and welcome back.
Oh, no.
Somehow my new little cat, Shadow, has managed to sneak in here during my break.
Great.
Come here, Shadow.
Come on.
Cats.
Big one's angry at me.
The little one just loves me to death and the big one used to be the buddy of my life and now not.
Yeah, here we go.
West of the Rockies, you're back on the air.
Thank you for waiting.
You're welcome.
What was the fact you were going to read?
Oh, that's right.
Check this out, sir.
Dear Art, just a quick note of interest.
For your information, UFOs are being sighted all up and down the Washington coast tonight.
I and five others saw one tonight.
Source of info about coastal sightings is the National UFO Reporting Agency, David and Tacoma.
So, a lot of sightings.
Uh, what, are they, is it something more like a presence that is there that, uh, You feel it more than you see it.
And I've done some checking on this.
I used to be in missiles and stuff in the service.
Yeah, well these are ones that people saw, sir.
Well, this you can see blacking out the stars going across the sky.
It blacks out whatever, you can't see any actual shape to it.
It just blacks out and then it's gone.
Yeah.
It's a government project.
Now, how do you know that?
Well, I've done some checking in some people that are still in the service of that.
And they told you?
And they told me.
And broke their security pledges and told you?
Well, evidently it's not as top security as it's supposed to be or something.
Anything that would black out the stars, sir, would have lots of security with it.
It should.
Yes, it should.
I know that when we worked it, there was a very high security on what we've done.
Can you tell me secrets?
Like what?
Well, I don't know.
You said you were in high security, right?
Right.
I carried Class 1 clearance.
So tell me some real dark secret.
Well, we've got a ship that's being worked on right now that will take off normally aspirated.
From any airport.
It'll go into the ionosphere, refuel itself in the ionosphere.
With what?
With the ionosphere itself.
From the particles from it.
And go into outer space.
Hmm.
Well, I guess you can expect some guys knocking on your door.
Thanks for the call.
I don't know if I believe that.
I mean, refuel what?
Ionospheric what?
People like this say these things, but who really knows?
Our local baseball team here in Seattle is giving the voters of our country an ultimatum.
Either give us $268 million, a 1% tax increase, for a new outdoor stadium with a retractable top, or we'll sell the team next season.
Nobody likes being pushed around up here when it comes to our sports teams.
Especially since none of them seem to go very far, if at all, in the post-season.
Tell Nintendo of Japan to go ahead and sell them.
Matt in Washington.
Hmm.
Ease to the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Art?
Yes.
I'm Roger in Greenwood Village, Colorado.
Yes, sir.
I will give you an explanation on that Oklahoma thing I heard on the air.
Yes?
That there's a Supreme Court ruling that you must, before you can be put to death, you have to be aware of why you're being put to death.
Well, he knew that when he tried to commit suicide.
Well.
I mean, come on.
The guy's sitting there on death row.
He knows why he's there.
Well, but when the state puts him to death, he has to be aware of it.
That's a Supreme Court ruling that makes about as much sense as some of the other things they do.
Yeah.
Where's your 200th station?
I missed that.
Um, L.A.
Oh, great.
Not bad, huh?
Terrific.
Enjoy your show.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.
Where's my 200 station?
How could anybody have missed that?
On the first time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi there.
How are you, Mr. Art Barrow?
I'm okay.
I'm in high dungeon and distress.
I'm really, really unhappy.
Uh-oh.
And maybe you can help me.
Will your antenna thing bring me Dreamland from Las Vegas when they're putting the bowling show on?
Did you know they do that to us?
Yeah, about halfway through, they go to bowling.
I can't believe it.
I don't want to disparage all bowlers, but can you imagine interrupting Dreamland for bowling?
Well, it would be a bit of a shock to the system, I'm sure.
I mean, it's quite a switch.
I'm eating pycnogynols by the handful, I'm sure.
But I wanted to call you last night.
My father was at Roswell.
Oh, he was?
Yes.
And I'm still angry at him because he died on me and he didn't tell me everything he knew and I miss him dreadfully.
Did he tell you anything?
Yes.
My father was a Navy flight surgeon and he won the war in the South Pacific and all of that.
He was a Navy captain and an M.D.
and a very fine surgeon and a very fine pilot.
When he came back from winning the war for us, he was detached to the Marines and ran marine wings and stuff all over the South Pacific.
Anyway, when he came back, instead of getting back out of the Navy, he was sent to Washington.
We never knew why.
I was 17, 18 or so.
17, 18 or so. In 1947, he came home briefly, said that he had some duty in New Mexico and
I remember so vividly my mother just looked at him.
I'm sorry, we're going to have to interrupt your story right now to cover Frank Cox, who's going to try to make a split spare.
I love it!
Well, if it's Frank Cox, that's all right.
I don't know who Frank Cox is.
I don't either.
Anyway, go ahead, continue.
But anyhow, Dad was in New Mexico.
I think my mother thought he was having an affair with someone at the time because there's no Navy in New Mexico.
He died in his 90s a little over a year ago.
Sharp as a tack, like everybody in my family is.
We live forever and we keep our minds.
We lose our bodies because our drives.
We keep our minds.
Dad had told me about 20 years ago.
When we were talking with some of his buddies, some Navy buddies, all of them were physicians, as he was, that there was an awful lot to it.
The subject came up.
He was at the autopsy.
Now, I don't know if he performed it, because he didn't tell me that.
But he told you he saw it?
He saw.
He saw.
Wow.
Now, he's in his 90s, and I'm asking him about it, with all the recent slaps.
Nobody was more pragmatic than my father.
I mean, he was an agnostic.
He was a scientist.
He did not believe in little green men from Mars, quote-unquote.
These beings were non-human.
He said they were the size of 12-year-olds.
He said they were asexual.
He believed they were clones.
Boy, that's an awful lot like the photos we've got.
I've got to run, ma'am.
Thank you.
Thank you very much for the call.
There are various places you can hear Dreamland from Las Vegas.
You might try 1510 KGA in Spokane.
You might try 780 Reno.
You might try, let's see, does 890 carry Dreamland?
I'm not sure.
From St.
George, Utah.
Um, there are a number, uh, you might try, um, you might try Portland, K-E-X, 1190.
It would depend on a lot of things.
You might try, uh, San Diego, 600 on the dial.
There are a number of places you might find it.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Sir, how's it going?
How you doing?
Pretty good.
This is Brandon Nepulop.
Brandon, okay.
Turn your, uh, radio off, Brandon.
Thank you.
I'd say I like your show a lot.
Thank you.
I listen to it every night.
Uh, if I have some dynamite, I know I'd blow it up.
How old are you?
Fifteen.
Fifteen.
Uh, now what were you going to blow up?
Dynamite.
If I have some dynamite, I know I'd blow it up.
Uh-huh.
I like fireworks and stuff like that.
I like fireworks, too.
Have since, uh, I was younger than you, Brandon, and, uh, it's just... I guess what I'm complaining about is that we're over safe, Brandon, with everything.
Um, and I, there's nothing wrong with safety, but, you know, when a hurricane's out there and the surf is really up, it's fun to go out.
Um, if you've got something that goes bang, it's fun to take it out and play with it.
These are guy things, and gals generally don't, with the exception of one who called, who I didn't believe, don't believe in.
Um, on the wild card line, you're on the air.
Hey, let me fix my radio.
Yes, turn it off.
It's gone.
Hey, that guy that called about how you should put people on hold and all that stuff?
Yes.
He's wrong.
I know.
I just went through this crap last night.
Your show was a rerun, and there was nothing else going on, so I was flipping through the radio, and I hit this place in San Diego, I think, or Santa Rosa, California.
Anyway, this is Alan from Sassoon.
They were talking about legalizing drugs and all that so I was pretty interested.
I got through with the screener and he put me on hold.
I sat there and I sat there.
Two cigarettes later I was like, what's going on?
I gave up.
Your way is much better.
Well it is frustrating if you have to keep recalling but the point is if you get through
then you're charged for only that.
It's not that big a deal.
I mean, I'd much rather have someone tell me, oh, you're done, than to leave me sit there forever.
Sure.
And one more thing, for all those people with trouble with the radio, but they still want to hear themselves on the radio, just have your little tape recorder set up, and as soon as you answer, push Yeah, you have it set up so it's on pause.
I don't recommend it because you'll listen back to your own voice.
Right, I understand.
That's what I'm getting at.
You're not going to like it.
Yeah, you have your tape recorder set up.
All you have to do is push one button if you really want to hear yourself on the radio.
But it's a bad idea.
Oh, it is?
Yeah, because you'll think you sound terrible.
Oh, I'm well aware of that.
That's why you like the job where you get paid for this.
That's right.
I don't listen to my own voice.
I don't listen to my own show.
I don't do it.
I can't handle it.
Thank you very much for the call.
For some reason, listening to my own voice kills me.
And if you doubt that I'm... Try it.
Go ahead.
Do what he said.
Call me up and record your call and listen back to it.
You'll be sorry.
Sound of a car crashing.
Wild card line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
Out here in 200th station, KNPC.
Yes, sir.
A couple weeks ago, they had an emergency expo in Long Beach.
And it went on a Friday.
Supposedly, on Sunday, they had a group of people picketing the thing.
I don't know if you're familiar with this, but they had Speakers like Nancy Lord, who was the Libertarian candidate in 1992 for Vice President, and Larry Pratt, who's really a nice guy.
Oh, I've had him on the show!
Yeah, I remember that, man.
I got to ask him a lot of questions.
But people like Mark Quonkey and Beau Brites.
And supposedly, these people are picking Sunday against us because they had some militia people there, and they're going to cancel it next year.
I can't believe, you know, there were some people that, it was mostly, you know, working class people there.
It wasn't really a radical convention of people.
Well, Bogreitz has people that surround him and follow him that, I think, harm him.
True.
Okay?
And those are the people, I believe, that are probably being picketed, and I don't disagree with it.
Hey, one other thing, since you watch the news and are on the wire and stuff like that, In September last year, Hillary Clinton and a guy named Ira Magaziner were supposed to show up in court and answer two charges that they had.
That one is still bouncing around in the courts.
But I wonder how long can they put a continuance on that, because they put a continuance in December last year.
I'm going to guess as long as Paula Jones is held at bay.
Okay, I believe you, Art.
Thank you for the call.
Have a good morning.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi, Art.
Hello.
This is Bill in Salt Lake City.
Yes, sir.
A couple of things.
First of all, on Janet Faulkner, a different perspective.
My wife used to be a feminist.
She now hates them.
Why?
It's not just that they seem sort of hell-bent on destroying men.
It's also that they seem hell-bent on destroying women.
Good point.
Everything that the women are, the feminists seem not to want to be.
Which is everything that I love about women.
Me too, which is why I married my wife.
Well yeah, but she must have been a feminist when you married her.
She was when we met, and kind of became less and less so as she kind of figured out what was going on.
I see.
Also, on these opinion polls, You've heard the old saying, there are three kinds of lies.
Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
I think that really applies in this case.
You can shape an opinion poll to say anything you want it to say.
I do not believe that Bob Dole is as popular as they say.
I don't know anybody that likes him.
And I know a lot of Republicans.
I don't happen to be one.
I don't claim allegiance to any political party.
I don't know if anybody's pointed out to you, or if you've thought about it, if it's a thousand miles across, it's not a hundred times bigger than Halley's Comet.
It's more like a million times bigger, because we're talking volume, not diameter.
Well, that would depend on its physical makeup.
Is it a big, round rock?
Sure.
Or is it like a cosmic rock that you would skip across a pond?
Yeah, and we don't really have much way of knowing right now, but I really do think it would be interesting to see it slam into the moon.
I don't know about that.
It would be fun to watch.
I'd rather play with a stick of dynamite, all things considered.
Me too.
Uh, dynamite is cool.
That's all I had to say.
All right, sir.
Take care.
Thank you.
Right.
Only, see, generally only man, I don't care what that lady said, only man would really think dynamite is cool.
I think.
Be so much fun.
Just a stick or maybe two out into the desert.
One of those big aluminum trash cans.
Oh, man.
People think it was a UFO.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello?
Going once, twice, three times gone.
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi Art, this is Marty in Oakland.
Hi Marty.
Hi.
I was wondering, I'm a blind person and I'm calling about the gentleman who said that we've gone too far with the Americans with Disabled Act.
ADAL.
Yeah, and I was wondering, when he mentioned, or when you guys mentioned Braille drive-ups, did you mean ATM machines?
Correct, yes.
Yes, because, see, we do have, uh, all the banks here have Braille, uh, on the face of the ATM machine, on the, uh, you know, near the panel where you would actually press a button.
Right, to what end?
Well, all it does is just Tell you what the keys are.
You don't know what the actual prompts are on the screen when you actually put your card in.
That's the only disadvantage to it.
Well then, I do not understand how you could operate it.
Well, you still have to have help, but you know what the keys are.
I told the bank when I had a mishap with one of the new ATMs last week.
I said, you know, the only problem with the Braille on the ATMs is that you know what the keys are, but what good does that do you if you can't know what they are?
Exactly, and what was their answer?
She was kind of flabbergasted.
She didn't know what to say.
Well, it just, you know, it really doesn't make sense.
Unless there was some way to have a braille readout so that you knew what you were doing, it doesn't make sense.
Yeah, I mean, I actually agree.
I think that what they should do in a situation like that is maybe actually make a braille pamphlet up and telling you what the functions of the ATM are and what you will be asked to do.
Now, I've got an idea.
How about this?
This would be technically feasible.
That the ATM on request would give you voice commands of what is being digitally read out.
Now, there's an idea.
That's a good idea.
All right, listen, my show is over.
All right.
I've got to go, so tell America good night.
Good night, America.
There you go.
Well, that is a great idea.
ATMs and banks.
Well, banks.
Think about it.
It was fun.
We'll do it again tomorrow.
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