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Aug. 13, 1995 - Art Bell

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Dreamland with Art Bell - Denny Sargent - Rituals, Myth and Magic

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unidentified		From the Kingdom of Knott, you're here in Dreamland with Art Bell.
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		This is the CBC Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It absolutely is, and I want to repeat this announcement.
		It's really a big one.
		We have a new image of the Halebop comet.
		And I want to thank Paul again in Houston for getting it to me.
		Thank you, Paul.
		The image was obtained, so that you know, from Kit Peake using a Stewart Observatory 90-inch telescope.
		A L'Oral 2K times 2K CCD was exposed for 30 seconds while the telescope tracked Helbop.
		It is a very serious image, and we want to give credit properly to Dave Harvey and Stewart Observatory.
		This image is now on our bulletin board, and you can get to it by calling area code 702.
		If you have a computer now, 702-727-1709.
		702-727-1709.
		If you have a computer, it's called comet1.gif.
		Now, if you don't have a computer, it is, I can tell you, because I sent it personally by computer to the publisher who will have it in the next newsletter.
		Along, I might add, with the image of the crystal skull, Max, and a photograph of my studio, the one from which I'm transmitting at this very moment.
		You can get the newsletter.
		It's $29.95 a year, and how you could possibly wait any longer, I don't know.
		Every month it gets bigger and better, and we're going to keep putting this kind of information into it.
		The number to order the newsletter right now, and you just please keep trying, 1-800-917-4278.
		1-800-917-4278.
		It's called the Art Bell After Dark newsletter.
		And I think that would be certainly an appropriate title for it.
		Well, all right.
		Let me again mention to you EufoFax.
		Now, if you listen to this kind of material, and I know you do.
unidentified		I bet he would, actually.
		He's a very nice man.
		He probably is.
		So I just want to mention one other thing.
		It's got 300 photos in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it took us forever to put this thing together.
		Twelve countries and a lot of film, and I think that people might enjoy looking at it.
		And if anybody has some strange ritual facts or ideas or anything that could help me in my quest for sort of a universal field theory of ritualism and mythology, they can send it care of Llewellyn.
		I answer all my letters, and I'd love to hear from people who are also involved in these kinds of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, and so they would send it in care of the publisher.
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, off we go to a land you mentioned someplace in Louisiana.
		Hello there.
		You're on the air.
		Where are you calling from, actually?
		I'm calling from Chalmette, Louisiana.
		All right.
unidentified		It's about two or three miles outside of New Orleans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Okay.
		All right.
		First of all, let me say I really enjoy your program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And I listen to you every Sunday night.
unidentified		Well, which station would pick you up in Laurel, Mississippi?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know offhand?
		I don't even know where that is in Mississippi.
		Oh, okay.
		I have stations there, but I, you know.
		You do?
		I sure do, but I'm not familiar with exactly where that is.
		Is it anywhere near...
unidentified		Okay, that's okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'll hear us.
unidentified		That's okay, because I just wanted to let my son know because he wanted to tune in too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		Okay, well, thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you.
		I guess no specific question.
unidentified		Hey, your voice is heard everywhere.
unidentified		If that's not magic, I don't know what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is kind of magic, actually.
unidentified		It is.
		It's magic.
		A hundred years ago, they would have said it was unbelievable magic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They'd have burned me with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably.
unidentified		I suspect we're kindred souls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Denny Sargent.
unidentified		Hi.
		My name is Diane.
		I'm calling from Marauga, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Diane.
unidentified		And my question is, Mr. Sargent, do you have any books or resources that you would recommend in addition to your own?
		Absolutely.
		I am by no means the greatest author in the world.
		As I said in the beginning of my book, I stand on the shoulders of giants.
		I would recommend Iliad, who's written numerous books on mythology.
		I'm going to give you some authors.
		I would recommend Carl Jung, especially his real basic book that's for everybody called Man and His Symbols.
		Oh, yeah.
		Yeah, I'm sure you've.
		That was wonderful.
		Exactly.
		And I recommend, of course, blah, blah, blah.
		I'm losing my mind now.
		Joseph Campbell, and his video series is fabulous.
		And any of his works are fantastic.
		There's some other people like Eric Newman who people are not too familiar with.
		He wrote a book called The Great Mother, which is a survey of goddesses throughout history, which is fantastic.
		And this is a relatively new field.
		It's kind of a mixing of psychology and anthropology and history.
		And I'm trying to take it a step further into the field of ritual.
		It's relatively hard.
		I mean, global ritualism is my attempt, but it's not a particularly scholarly work.
		It's really for just average people.
		Most of it was off the top of my head just from years and years of reading and research and traveling.
		There's not a lot of, for example, there's not a lot of footnotes, historical footnotes in my book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, ma'am, there you go.
unidentified		All right, thank you very much.
		Thank you.
		good luck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, let's talk for a second.
		Do you know, for some reason, Danny, I have a lot of witches that listen to me, and I don't mean just on this program, you would imagine that, but on my other as well.
		And I'm constantly getting faxes from them.
		Now, is not witchcraft full of every sort of ritualism?
		It's rich in ritualism, is it not?
unidentified		I've met a number of witches.
		I've been to a number of pagan and witchcraft circles in America and pagan circles in all different countries around the world.
		And what witchcraft is, is, in spirit, it's a continuation of pre-Christian European paganism.
		Historically, there's not a lot of actual stuff that has been continually practiced.
		Most of it, what it is now, is a kind of revival of the faith of European paganism.
		But what you're finding is that a lot of witches and quote-unquote New Age people and a lot of people who are listening to your show, what they're doing is what I call eclectic ritualism.
		The whole second part of my book is called eclecticizing or eclectic ritual.
		And this is a movement that I'm seeing, and I think the witches personify that.
		Wicca or witchcraft personifies that really well.
		But I'm seeing it all through the spectrums of New Age, of unionism, of every kind of group that is looking for a kind of global vision of what is going on out there.
		I kind of coined the term eclectic ritualism, which is people, you know, people sampling Tibetan Buddhism, people going like yourself to Thai temples and getting some kind of feeling or experience, people going to Hopi ceremonies, people having some Hopi sage in their house and using that ritual, maybe having Tibetan prayer flags using those, maybe carrying a cross that their mother gave them.
		This is eclectic ritualism, and this, I think, to be honest with you, is the great unspoken movement that's sweeping through America right now.
		And I kind of put a label on it.
		And in global ritualism, I kind of addressed it.
		And I don't really claim to be unique, but I guess I have a lot of friends and a lot of context in many different levels.
		I know witches.
		I know many different kinds of Christians.
		I know a lot of New Age people.
		I know a lot of psychics.
		I know a lot of academics.
		I know a lot of psychologists.
		And they're all really doing the same kinds of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		Yoga classes are being held at my Lutheran church.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As I said, that's what's bothering me more than anything else, Denny, is that so many of these people are seeing and saying so many similar things that individually you can dismiss them.
		Collectively, you do so at your own peril.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Denny Sargent.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off.
		That's number one.
		Always turn your radio off.
		Tell us where you're calling from.
		Well, now he must have gone to turn his radio off.
unidentified		Oh, well, just as a quick note, do you know what I think the greatest religious movement is right now?
unidentified		It's the World Wide Web.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Denny.
unidentified		Because religion means the root of religion is the Greek word relegios, which means to relink.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Having said that and not wanting to expand on it, Caller, are you there?
		Hello, Caller.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you're on the air, sir.
unidentified		Okay, hi, this is Mike.

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