Art Bell dissects the Bosnia crisis, criticizing Warren Christopher’s arms embargo and UN reliance while debating whether 12 Tomahawk missiles or nuclear threats could force Serbian withdrawal. Callers link heat deaths in Chicago (300 projected) to power failures and speculate on population control agendas. The episode pivots to Roswell footage—acquired January 1995 from a 1947 cameraman—showing six-fingered, disproportionate beings with non-human traits per Dr. Milroy’s pathology report, despite Kodak’s ambiguous film dating. Bell acknowledges plausibility but doubts mainstream acceptance, framing the debate as part of broader questions about government transparency amid Waco hearings and Whitewater document mysteries. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, or good morning, as the case may be, across all these time zones.
Howdy, from Tahiti and the Hawaiian Islands to the Caribbean to the North Pole and down to South America.
This is Coast to Coast, A.M. And after thinking about it a little bit, the title still works.
It's just that now we're talking about other coasts.
Hi, everybody.
Good to be here this morning.
Lots to talk about.
First of all, notification of some new affiliates on the way.
Those of you listening to KAGO in Klamath Falls, Oregon, can begin looking forward to Dreamland coming this next Sunday.
Then comes, get this, this is pretty neat, I think, WSTP.
Now, we've got KSTP in Minneapolis, St. Paul, and now we're going to have WSTP in Salisbury, North Carolina.
Somehow the brotherhood of the STPs.
Also, a biggie out in St. George, Utah coming.
It'll be 10,000 watts on 890.
And they just come banging into this area.
That's KDXU in St. George, Utah.
They'll be coming up, I think, July 24th.
Same deal for WSTP.
Now, the news.
And there's a lot of it.
Over the weekend, the main subject, of course, was Bosnia, and Bosnia is really a mess.
Bob Dole is going to move this week to have a vote on lifting the arms embargo.
Warren Christopher, of course, thinks it is a big mistake.
I think Warren Christopher is a total dud of a human being, but I've always thought so.
There are 200,000 dead or injured in Bosnia thus far.
And Warren Christopher, who was on Meet Press Sunday, said that what he's thinking now is that we ought to strengthen the UN and protect the safe havens in Bosnia, what's left of them, and that's not much.
Then work towards some negotiated peace.
The rapid reaction force is on the way.
There is yet another possible scenario being talked about tonight, and that is to airlift in European troops.
Not our troops, their troops.
But to get them in would require first U.S. jets going in, trying to cause the Serb radars to fire up so they could destroy the anti-aircraft positions.
Now bear in mind, the Serbs have already shot down an F-16.
So they're not going to have a lot of trouble with Apaches, Chinooks, Sea Stallions, Blackhawks, that sort of thing.
And that, of course, is what we would use to try to move the European troops in.
There are thousands of Muslim refugees on the run.
The UN has all but so far given up.
The West, including us as in U.S., has no idea what we can do next.
So really it could not be worse.
There are atrocities.
There's genocide going on.
And I think, and I have always thought, that it's our fault, some of it.
We should never have embargoed arms.
Why in the world, in the world, would we want these people to be slaughtered?
Why is it seemed to be in our interest, and I can only imagine, I mean, nations do things, don't they, that are in their interest somehow or another.
And why is it in our interest to allow this slaughter to go on?
We won't let them protect themselves.
It's damn near too late.
But in the category of what we ought to do, it seems to me it's obvious.
Bob Dole's got the right answer.
Arm the Bosnians, and the critics out there say that will be the Americanization of the war.
Well, not necessarily.
We armed the Mujahideen, the Afghan rebels, and there was not the Americanization of the war.
We didn't have troops over there, so why would we of necessity have them in Bosnia?
Anyway, here's a facts on the subject, dear art.
Until recently, I was of the belief that America could not and should not be the world's policeman.
But now, I'm not so sure.
Seeing on a nightly basis the horrible things that are going on in Bosnia has forced me to ask the question, where do we draw the line?
The film clips on TV seem to get worse each night.
Which atrocity captured on film will be the one that finally pushes public opinion to the side of the U.S. involvement in Bosnia?
I grew up thinking that America was more than just another country.
That as a nation, we were strong enough, honorable enough, and determined enough to do things in the world that other countries could not do.
We have the power and will to get to the moon, but we cannot seem to muster the will to keep genocide from happening, just a few thousand miles from our own border.
It seems our country has become a nation of individuals.
We've become so busy in our own lives that we have little time for our own children.
We don't even know the names of our next-door neighbors.
But does this mean we shouldn't get involved when evil forces are torturing people by the tens of thousands?
So it is an argument.
I know, but I think the argument is stronger on the side of non-involvement.
At least that's my assessment.
And I am not an isolationist.
But this is their war.
And they're bound and determined to fight it.
One way or the other, with or without weapons.
If we have any culpability, it seems to me it is this arms embargo.
How cruel, how unusual, how immoral to keep guns out of the hands of those who are otherwise being mowed down.
And that's what happens when you don't have guns, and the other guy does.
There's no great mystery.
Except, why is it in our apparent national interest, he asks again, to allow this to go on?
A little bit of good news.
William Barloon and David DelaBarty, who stumbled across the Iraqi border, have been set free.
Courtesy of the office of Congressman Bill Richardson, who went over there, apparently he's been negotiating with the Iraqis for months.
First, they wanted the end of sanctions, UN sanctions, a letter from President Clinton, and unfreezing Iraqi money internationally.
Eventually, we are told they settled for nothing and just let him go.
Now, I wonder how many of you believe that, that there was not some behind-the-scenes deal.
It is an obvious question to at least pose.
Drug arrests for children in America, kids under 18, as measured by a new survey between 1984 and 1993 are way up.
Way up.
From 66,000 to 84,000, up 18%, actually almost 85,000, up 18%.
Drug use, in other words, in the mid-90s is up again.
We all thought we had it.
Well, we didn't.
And last week, we were in the middle of a survey generated by something Newt Gingrich said, and I still think he's absolutely right.
And that is that there should be a national referendum on what to do about drugs.
The reason I want it is because it would allow us to move either in one direction or the other.
And I'm all in favor of that because the present direction is the road to nowhere.
Absolutely nowhere.
The drug war is lost.
We've either got to get tough, or, and in his words, that means people bringing in commercial quantities, you know, get a bullet.
Or we legalize drugs, take the profit and the violence and all the rest of it, as they argue, out of it, one or the other, but have a national referendum and then begin moving at least in one direction or the other.
Over the weekend, again, the Sunday shows, I think it was Meet the Press, Pat Buchanan was on, and there was a big discussion between Senator Specter and Buchanan.
Senator Specter is pro-choice.
And Senator Specter maintained there is, in his words, a continuum, in other words, a direct line you can draw from Pat Buchanan's holy war to the guy who pulls the trigger on an abortion doctor.
Now, I shortened that a little bit, the continuum, but that was the line.
That was the idea.
You think Specter's right?
Pat Buchanan's running around saying that he'll be Ronald Reagan if that's what America wants.
Mr. Buchanan wants to hold congressional hearings on when life begins.
Now, that's an interesting question, always has been.
We've been fighting about that for all the time I've done talk radio.
When does life begin?
Somebody I knew once said, well, that's easy.
When he says to she, "Hey baby!" That's when life begins.
But a congressional investor...
Specter came after Buchanan for wanting all kinds of constitutional changes.
And Buchanan basically said, yes, but, you know, with the right composition of the court, we won't need them.
We'll get a court that will turn things back to the way they ought to be anyway.
Do you remember the end of the week last week?
I still find this to be an incredible story.
Brinkley chose to talk about it at the end of his program.
It was all about the woman who wasn't.
The man in Utah, the poor guy in Utah, who called the police, said that his wife of three and a half years was missing, gone.
The police searched and found his wife.
They also found out his wife was a man.
The man's comment, the real man's comment, when he found out was, gee, do I feel stupid?
Well, you know, of course he should have known, but the obvious but impolite areas of he should have known.
So we don't talk about those.
Somehow he didn't.
Hard to believe.
The Washington Post asked over the weekend: why do you suppose he was not suspicious when she, in quotes, asked for a Christmas present of a drill press?
Why, asked Brinkley, wasn't he suspicious when she had to lather up and shave every day?
You know, I guess I must believe this story, but I truly find it unbelievable.
I mean, how could it be?
How, ladies and gentlemen, could it be?
Could it be?
I want to jump ahead.
I've got so much news.
I'm never going to get it all in.
I want to talk a little bit about the weather.
And I know everybody's going to say, oh, here he goes again.
Well, yeah, here I go again.
The weather all across right now here in the desert, it's kind of humid, has been overcast, drizzly even, rainy.
My friends to the north in Reno, up into Oregon, tell me there's thunder and lightning all over the place.
In Chicago and in the Midwest, Wisconsin, you guys up there know, but particularly take, for example, Chicago.
There have been, I am told now, 190 deaths from the hot weather, the heat.
Now, it's already cooled off, that is, at least into the mid-80s, but the county coroner in Chicago thinks the death toll will go to 300.
300 people dead from the heat in Chicago alone?
Now, arguably, they got in trouble with their power there, and they lost it for about three days.
But that's just one city.
There were 44 additional deaths today alone in Chicago.
The mayor of Chicago wants his area declared a disaster area because of it.
Now, I've been watching the weather this year so far here, and our summer began very late and is at this moment weird.
The weather patterns, it seems to me, are changing.
Now, I know.
Everybody will say it.
And of course, you know, weather gets weird.
There are variations.
I know that.
But I have questions about this.
This number of people dead because of hot weather, I wonder if anybody's thought that it might be something else other than and or in combination with the weather.
That's too many people.
Too many people.
That many Americans don't die in a heat wave in one city.
At least not in my experience.
Boris Yeltsin.
Now, this is a very interesting story, and I'm going to have to wind it up, I can see, with this one.
But he's, you know, remember he had heart problems last week, supposedly?
When he first had them, they said, oh, this is a critical heart condition.
Now and since then, all of a sudden, his assistants have been saying, no, no, he's healthy.
So yesterday they released a photograph of Yeltsin, black and white.
NBC noticed that this supposed photograph of Yeltsin was a fake, one taken actually in April.
And they proved it with each and every little detail in the photograph.
Identical to a photograph taken in April.
Later in the day, Moscow released a second photograph, this time in color, but the same photograph taken in April.
So what does this mean?
It means they're lying.
Now, what does it mean if they're lying?
It means Yeltsin probably is in critical condition.
That's what I think.
And I think very shortly you're going to hear an announcement, some sort of announcement anyway, from Russia, about the death of Yeltsin.
That's just my opinion.
Or maybe he's just so critically drunk and messed up that they're drying him out.
You know, who knows?
But one thing's for sure, they're lying, and we can wonder about why.
All right, well, I've got enough material.
As you know, Waco hearings get underway.
The Whitewater hearings get underway later today or tomorrow, depending on your time zone.
Waco on Wednesday.
It's not going to be an easy week for the president for the White House.
By the way, they dug down trying to find Jesse James, and guess what?
So far, no Jesse James in the grave.
They're going to dig more tomorrow, but I mean, they're way down there now.
And so far, not even a bone.
So a lot of people are starting to think maybe Jesse got away with it, faked his own death, and lived out his life, no doubt, happily someplace or another.
We'll be right back.
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Street gang activity that was once confined, by the way, this according to Newsweek, street gang activity once confined to south central LA, Chicago, and New York's Harlem, has now been reported throughout, guess where?
The U.S. military.
The magazine reported in its July 24th issue that notorious L.A. street gangs like the Crips, the Bloods, and Chicago's folk gangsters are now active in all four branches of the armed services and at more than 50 military bases around the U.S. It said most gang crimes,
such as drug trafficking, robbery, assault, and at least 10 cases of homicide, have taken place off-base and off-duty.
But it adds that Army enlisted men have been photographed flashing gang signs in the middle of the Gulf War.
It also said some gangs stake out turf on aircraft carriers at sea.
There was a gang member that ran for office in Chicago.
He didn't make it, but he ran.
And now we hear they're in the U.S. military.
That to me, that to me is actually unbelievable.
I was in the Air Force, and to imagine gang activity in the military is about as unimaginable for me as anything I've ever heard.
But there you are.
That's Newsweek.
On the Miss America contest, Kathy from Oregon writes, who needs it?
Thinking further on your discussion of the swimsuit issue, I think it's time the whole thing either develops some relevance or goes the way of blue eye shadow.
Besides being blatantly sexist, it is just plain corny.
Why do we need to choose a female ideal anyhow?
Is this some twisted evolution of pagan virgin sacrifice?
I've had plenty of female role models, none of which would be candidates for the Queen of Cosmetics crown.
Women of great spiritual depth and personal sacrifice like Mother Teresa.
Women who are gracious artists like Beverly Sills.
Women of intelligence, poise, and strength like Margaret Thatcher.
Women who help us laugh like Whoopi Goldberg.
And all the women with the incredible gift of encouraging others.
Though they rarely become famous, like my mother, teachers, friends, even strangers who have helped me in life.
These women are beautiful.
Your fan, Kathy.
And so maybe that will be the attitude and the swimsuit contest will go.
But you know, Mario Cuomo, who was a guest on the Brinkley show Sunday, said, come on, let's face it, given a chance, he says, you know, the swimsuit contest shall continue.
The American people will vote for it.
I think they will.
Otherwise, it's going to come down to which contestant wants to save the most whales.
But Mario Cuomo said on Brinkley, the American people actually, in his view, would vote for not only swimsuits, but more violence on TV, more sex, and all the rest of it.
They'd vote for bikinis or less if they could.
Is that true?
Tell the truth.
Tell the truth.
Would you, if instead of this Miss America pageant asking whether or not to eliminate the swimsuit contest, if it was should they wear nearly nothing bikinis or less, would you vote for that?
Would you vote for more violence on television?
More sex, as Mario Cuomo suggested?
Interesting question, and probably Mario Cuomo is correct.
Sad, but true.
Probably not true of a lot of you, who I consider generally to be of a higher intellectual bent.
But of the great American masses, he's probably right.
Okay, let us open the lines.
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Yeah, another thing I was thinking, you know, the guy was talking about Mars.
Let me add a little bit to that, okay?
And I was just thinking, I'm into astronomy and stuff like this.
And I was thinking that, for example, one of the places for landing was what I would use, if I was coming towards the Earth, would be landing on the dark side or the far side of the moon, okay, in our communication.
If I didn't want you to hear, just like the phones you're talking about, it cannot be heard with a scanner.
As a matter of fact, we really would not detect the use of spread spectrum technology.
Some of you know what that is.
It's fairly new.
It's being used by some of the new portable phones as well.
It's not quite, in my opinion, perfected yet.
It has a couple difficulties in it.
Makes the telephone sound very hollow.
But what spread spectrum does, I guess I'll put it to you this way.
You're listening to me now on a radio station That is on a frequency, AM or FM or whatever.
Spread spectrum takes what you're listening to right now and spreads it over all kinds of frequencies so that a little bit of information is here and there, and without the ability to decode where the information is when, you would not even be aware that anything was there.
That is spread spectrum technology.
It's being utilized now for satellite.
Most of the wire services, Associated Press, rest of those, distribute by spread spectrum on satellite.
So the caller is correct.
Unless it was a signal designed to be detected and not one designed to be stealth, we might not ever know it would be there.
Just exercising the Chuck Harder side of my brain.
Jim in Tupelo, Mississippi.
Art, the ABC News at 11 o'clock this evening, which I heard on KBI a few minutes ago, reported the BATF has obtained 22 cargo airplanes capable of transporting heavy weapons.
An ATF spokeswoman confirmed this to ABC.
So to avoid any further involvement of the U.S. Motor OIC, let's use this new ATF Air Force to transport arms to the Bosnian Muslims once the Senate finally overturns this ridiculous embargo.
Maybe they could take Warren Christopher along for the ride and pack an extra shoot.
Steve.
Yeah, I don't like, I really, really don't like Warren Christopher.
I don't know what it is about the man.
I really don't.
Listening to him, I really don't.
I mean, in a way, he says, no, he doesn't even say the right things.
I've got a caller on hold who was in the middle of saying something about Ray Santilli's Roswell film and that he has a friend who has the distribution rights in California or something.
And if any of you want the stills, they're all over a cyberspace.
They're on internet at various locations.
And we have them on the bulletin board.
You need a computer and a modem and a little bit of know-how and how to download using some sort of protocol, Z modem or whatever.
You can call our bulletin board 24 hours a day.
They are awesome.
I mean, there's no other way to explain it.
In fact, I found them particularly shocking because to me, they look like what an alien ought to look like.
Kind of a vague image of us, if you will, but enough different so you say, oh my God.
You know, that's the kind of reactions I've been getting universally.
All right, new affiliate news coming, coming shortly, coming attractions.
Next week, WSTP in Salisbury, North Carolina will begin carrying Dreamland.
Now, I thought that was kind of neat because we have KSTP in Minneapolis, St. Paul, and now WSTP.
And we have both.
Coming soon, KAGO, no, I'm sorry, I should have said coast to coast.
WSTP will be carrying coast to coast from 2 to 5.
KAGO in Klamath Falls is the one adding Dreamland beginning August 6th.
And also a big pickup, KDXU in St. George, Utah begins, we think, about July 24th.
Now they're a big one on 890.
And I suppose if you're anywhere in Utah or the surrounding states, including, I might add, here in Nevada, 890 comes in like a bomb.
So beginning July 24th, we will be there as well.
The news is not good.
Bosnia is, of course, a disastrous mess.
It was the subject of most of the weekend shows.
The safe areas are falling like 10 pins.
The UN is huddled in a corner somewhere.
Warren Christopher is talking about sending in U.S. jets followed by helicopters carrying European ground troops.
And nobody really knows what the hell to do.
Bob Dole wants to arm the Bosnians.
The president does not.
It's just, you know, it's a big mess.
We are, to some degree, responsible for not allowing the Bosnians to defend themselves.
And I just don't know how Warren Christopher and company can sleep at night.
Yeltsin.
Very interesting story on Yeltsin, I think.
You remember the heart problems last week?
The first reports that it was serious?
Well, yesterday, Moscow released a photograph of Yeltsin, purportedly to show him in rosy-cheeked health.
Well, NBC tore the photograph apart and determined it was one taken of Yeltsin last April.
Now, what does that mean?
It means they're lying.
Then later in the day, Moscow released a second photograph, the same photograph, this time, though, in color.
Again, exactly the same photograph taken in April.
So they're lying.
It's a ruse.
It means Yeltsin is a problem.
That we will soon hear that Yeltsin is suddenly dead of some kind of massive heart attack.
Or maybe they'll just never tell us that he died at all.
Who knows?
The number of dead in Chicago is unbelievable.
190 so far.
The coroner there thinks it'll go to 300 before it's all over from the heat.
300 dead from the heat.
Now, since when does that occur in a single American city ever?
Somebody called a little while ago and suggested that it's because of modern technology.
Because we've got air conditioning, we've got this, we've got that, we live inside, our bodies are not rough and tough anymore.
And so if the power goes off and we get hot, we die.
And the older people, of course, die first.
And I guess that is true.
The mayor of Chicago wants it declared a disaster area.
Newsweek magazine reporting that you're not going to believe this.
There are now gangs in the U.S. military.
The Crips, the Bloods, and the Chicago folk gangsters are all now active in all four branches of the U.S. armed services and at more than 50 military bases around the U.S. It is said most gang crimes like drug trafficking,
robbery, assault, and at least 10 cases of homicide have taken place off base and off duty, but it adds, now get this, enlisted Army men have been photographed flashing gang signs during the middle of the Gulf War.
It also said some gangs are now staking out turf on aircraft carriers at sea.
Can you imagine that?
Staking out turf on aircraft carriers.
The Waco hearings will begin Wednesday.
The Whitewater hearings will begin today.
It is going to be a very, very tough week for the administration.
Whitewater hearings are going to include an inquiry into the Vince Foster case.
There is still something there.
I have always had the belief that Vince Foster did commit suicide.
But I think that body was moved.
Maybe, maybe, we'll find out.
And of course, the Waco hearings beginning Wednesday.
Schumer and company all believe the Waco hearings are going to be used to discredit the government, to destroy what efforts at gun control have been made so far.
And, you know, the only reason I can figure that they're worried that this will hurt the case for gun control is if the government is shown to have been wrong and just slaughtered those people.
Otherwise, you would think that if they were all in the right, it would help the case for gun control.
But no, they're saying ahead of time they're worried it's going to hurt the case.
Now, why would they be worried if the truth was on their side?
Jesse James, they're digging and digging, and there's no Jesse James thus far in the grave, and they're way down there.
So they're going to keep digging tomorrow.
But presumably, if they don't come up with Jesse pretty soon, then they're going to conclude it was an empty grave, and it means, I guess, Jesse James fooled everybody and lived out his life well someplace.
Well, remember that in San Francisco, you've got a lot of humidity that Las Vegas does not have.
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Yeah, but not as bad.
Number two, being that I have been up here for two years, correct me if I'm wrong, but there have been no earthquakes.
I have not felt an earthquake since I've been up here and I really, and I talked to some of the people who have been here longer, it's been dead up here.
And my third question is, I have started a lot of people listening to you, and most of them like myself are gay.
And it's funny that when they listen to you and they will listen to your colors, it's remarkable how they say, you know what, this is the first time I have ever heard this in my entire life.
Oh yeah, we've seen it on TV.
Well, just people severely against gay people.
Not necessarily you, but just colors, colors, comments, and stuff.
And, you know, I talked to them, I said, well, surely you've run into some opposition, you know.
Again, you're in San Francisco, and your perception is being affected by where you are.
You are in an area where, per capita, there are more gay people, arguably, I suppose, than almost anywhere else in the U.S. So everywhere is not like San Francisco.
Just as earlier in your life, everywhere is not like Las Vegas.
Every place is, in its own way, quite distinct.
And when you moved from Las Vegas to San Francisco, you made a big cultural shift, and there is a big cultural shift.
And what's really weird, I'm just wondering if everybody out there, I'm not a paranoid person or anything like that, but does everybody feel like that something is maybe going to happen?
Mama Earth, Mama Nature, God, whoever you want to talk about is getting ready to do something.
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When you think more people would be worried about it, I mean, you know, we complain about, you know, the rainforest and everything, but then there's, you know, other people in the States here that complain about, oh, we can't, you know, we have to, you know, we can't save the environment.
We have to cut down these trees or we have to do this.
We have to do that.
But then we turn around and we complain because, oh, no, they're going over there.
They're cutting down the rainforest.
We're not going to have any air.
You know, there's just different things like that, and that sometimes I kind of wonder if...
Yeah, it's kind of a scary way to think, but yeah, you know, we're kind of the biggest parasite here, I believe, as far as, you know, there's a lot of us that just don't care.
There's a middle ground between the general biblical view that the earth and its resources are here to be used and were put here to be used by man and therefore we should use them, not worry about it.
And the environmentalists and tree huggers who are worried about...
I mean, nobody in their right mind wants dirty air.
They don't want to have to breathe dirty air, and there's a lot of dirty air around.
You don't want your water polluted, right?
No, of course you don't.
You don't want a lot of things fouled in the environment in which you live.
That only makes common sense.
That doesn't mean that you protect every last ant that walks down the pavement.
But it does mean that you're aware of your environment and try to do things to maintain it as best you can.
I have always felt that our most favored nation trade agreement with China is financing their army and the progress of the building you referred to when you were over there.
Uh the nature of warfare now is not such that you would talk, particularly when you're talking of China, of great masses coming forth across the Pacific or through any other landmass movement toward us.
No, I don't fear that.
But communist China, and I was there, and I can tell you, is still communist China.
In other words, despite the economic, incredible economic activity in communist China now, they are still communist China.
They're still communists.
They're not nice communists.
They're not reformed communists.
They're communists who want money, but they're communists.
And we better not forget it.
That's what I would say.
You could feel the chill when you went across the border.
Well, I do the show from a hammock, and I have two Tahitian girls who wave palms and keep me cool and comfortable and bring me fruity cocktail drinks as I do the program.
And I kind of got that kind of a feeling after this one because of, well, you know, the black guy that's on there, he's portrayed as a racist against white people, or white people, messed up black people.
Yeah, that man made an earthquake detector, which you can do electrically.
In other words, you just hang something from the ceiling with some weight to it and put a circle around it and make it a conductive circuit so that when it moves and touches the ring, it sets off an alarm.
So you can make yourself a cute little earthquake detector that way, if you really want to know.
Now, I'm not sure how that would react for a pure upward thrust, but for most earthquakes, I think it would register.
Somehow, I would have been happier had they not found a thing.
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Well, they had a lead shield.
It was down about four feet.
They had to get that out, and then they went on down six feet where they found this casket, and they did show the two handles, but the rest of it had fallen in on top of itself.
It's a little dry, but it's awfully good, and it talks about America's, well, the world's interdependency on technology and using it how they don't understand it, but use it anyway as though they do.
It's a 10-part series, and it's on the Learning Channel, and I highly recommend it.
Yeah, we are dependent, and I think we're used to a narrow range of temperatures that we're able to keep because we have heaters and we have air conditioners.
And for the most part, we live in this narrow range, and so our bodies become used to it.
And I guess with the power failure and the heat and the fact that people are living longer in these controlled environments, you get a disaster like Chicago.
Either that or it's something else.
That's a lot of dead people in heat.
They're projecting, the coroner in Chicago is projecting up to 300 people dead because of the heat?
Well, maybe, but every time it's mentioned, he brings up the word veto.
Yeah.
So maybe he'll do that, but the indications are that he's going to veto it.
And on the other hand, he's a very shrewd politician, and he can count.
So can his chief of staff.
And if they determine that it is veto-proof numbers, maybe he will sign it.
unidentified
Well, I think it's the best way out for him, you know, because that way he can say, well, you know, everybody's against me, and I might as well just do this because I'll only want it anyway.
Here in the middle of the night, we're going to do something a little odd in about 25 or 30 minutes.
We're going to call England, London, and talk to Ray Santilli, who is the possessor of the Roswell footage, of which now there is much mythology, much confusion, and alarm and all kinds of emotions surround this film and the stills that have come from it.
And so we're going to try to get to the bottom of some of it by talking to the man himself.
I love doing that.
It's kind of spontaneous.
I knew that I would be doing it, but I had no idea this morning.
And I talked to Santilli about 35 minutes ago in London, and he said, sure, let's do it in about an hour.
First of all, I watched Meet the Press on Sunday, and as I was watching Arlen Spector, I was thinking to myself, this is a guy Art Bell would really like, conservative economically and tolerant on social issues, which I've heard you say many times.
The other thing, because you're going to have this gentleman on at the bottom of the hour, I was listening to a program, in fact, on your affiliate here in Dallas.
They had on a scientist named Richard Berenson.
I don't know if you've heard of him.
He's a very noted, well, he's an astronomer and a very noted one, as a matter of fact.
And someone called in about the Roswell issue because that had been brought up.
And they stated very emphatically, they were on a recovery team in Roswell.
And you ought to bring this up to your guests coming up.
And they said that it was a crash of a B-29 and that the bodies after the crash were mutilated.
And that would take into account the possibility people might confuse them with aliens.
I thought that on some points he beat Buchanan because Buchanan had to sit there and basically back the idea of a constitutional amendment for everything that he opposed.
And I don't agree with that.
I don't think that we need a constitutional amendment to prevent flag burning.
I used to think that, but the more I thought about it, the more I thought we don't need it.
Because A, there are not many flags burned, and B, people tend to take care of their own, you know, and when you see somebody burning a flag, you're probably going to punch them in the nose.
I don't think there should be a constitutional amendment that would mandate prayer in school.
I don't think there ought to be mandated prayer in school.
I think a moment of silence is fine.
And I think the president, for all the wrong reasons, political, basically did have it correct the other day when he said, look, the U.S. Supreme Court has not said there may be no religion in school.
It's gone too far.
I mean, actually, the president was right about that.
It was utterly political on his part, but he was right.
So I don't think we need a constitutional amendment for that.
And so forth and so on.
So it is strange.
I agreed with Spectre more than I did Buchanan.
But I'm not comfortable with Spectre, and I'm sorry I can't tell you why.
If you'll listen on the air, I'd be glad to tell you, very briefly.
There's a very sad story.
I had a cat under my house all of a sudden.
You know, I don't know where the cat came from.
I have no idea.
It sounded like all I heard for two weeks was just, meow, meow, under the house, and it would never come out.
And so I started calling it Ghost.
And I built a trap.
Stupid trap, you know, I had a U.S. government postal service box, and I put a little stick there, and I attached a wire to it, and I waited by that window for hours and hours.
And finally, Ghost came out of the house, got into my trap.
Boom, I pulled it.
And, you know, this poor little guy living under the house, what an abysmal life it must have been.
And he got his tail caught in the back of the trap, backed out, ran under the house, and after that wouldn't even meow at me for a while.
The story progresses.
We got a trap from Los Angeles.
A wonderful lady in Los Angeles sent a trap to me.
Called a Habel Heart Trap, and they really are very nice.
And finally, without going through all the details, poor little ghost was trapped.
And I was so happy, and I was going to give Ghost a home and brought Ghost in, actually brought Ghost into the studio and let you all hear Ghost.
It was a she, by the way.
She was a ghost.
And next day took her to the vet, and we were going to get the full range of shots, and I do that for my pets.
And it was really a heartbreaker.
Ghost had feline leukemia, and a fairly advanced stage at that.
Plus, some total inhuman human being apparently threw Ghost out of the car.
She had a bad hip injury, and that was from being thrown out of a moving car.
So some total jerk drove by here and threw this poor little cat out of a moving car.
It was injured, ran under my house, and that's where it was all that time.
And so a short, terribly sad life.
And the good thing, the only good thing that's come out of all this in Ghost's memory now is that after I was so, I was so heartbroken about all of that.
You have no idea.
You have no idea.
And so that same day, when Ghost had to be put to sleep, I went down to the animal shelter, you know, our local animal shelter here.
And I must have looked at 100 cats.
That animal shelter is really full.
And I picked out a beautiful, beautiful little cat that we call Shadow.
My wife named our new cat Shadow.
Shadow of Ghost, if you will.
And I gave out the address to our local animal shelter and said, well, send a donation.
You know, if you've got a couple bucks to rub together, send a donation to our local animal shelter.
And I said, don't mention my name.
Just do it.
And turns out, they're well over $5,000 in that money, I want to tell you.
So if anything came out of Ghost's short, sad life, it was these wonderful donations that you sent.
It will build additional facilities, which will be dedicated to Ghost, I'm told.
And we'll be able to house many, many more animals.
And we're, I don't know, if not, we're certainly the largest county in Nevada and second or third largest in the whole country.
It's a big county.
So they've got a lot of responsibility and a lot of animals, and they're really overloaded, and it really means a lot.
And I guess I don't have to tell you what it means when they can house an animal instead of, as opposed to the alternative.
So the donations that you all sent really are going to an extremely good cause.
And again, I want to say thank you.
That is the story.
Wild Cardeline, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Yes.
Hello, Art Bill.
Hi.
I have a couple tidbits here.
I'll make them as quick as possible.
But let me just say, as regards personages, that you feel, quote, something doesn't feel quite right about them.
It has nothing to do with physical characteristics.
If a person is sensitive to it, when you see their presence, either in person or on television, they send out a vibration.
and if you are sensitive to that, that's what you are feeling.
And the host was asking him what he thought would be the outcome of Bosnia and so forth.
And this fellow, who's very famous, said, I'm not sure yet what policy the Clintons will adopt.
Now, I happened to have taped that show, so I know I wasn't in the Twilight Zone.
And he is too well-versed.
He's been around for quite a few years.
He would have said the Clinton administration.
He said the Clintons as in two presidents.
And I thought it was very interesting.
Maybe we should listen to that again.
The final thing is this.
You talk often about the quickening.
Yes.
If you can handle a quickening with a capital Q, I'm going to make a possible quick thing that may happen much faster than people realize, and it will not emanate from Mother Nature.
I'm talking about within the next nine days, because after all, we can't have our minds trained on whitewater and Waco hearings and be thinking about all that dreary stuff.
So surely something else will have to supersede it if you get my drift.
Well, I do, and if I had to guess, it would be an emergency operation.
First, with jet aircraft over Bosnia, taking out, identifying and taking out anti-aircraft positions, followed by the Chinooks and Blackhawks and Apaches and a lot of European troops and a lot of military occurrences in Bosnia.
Could that occur concurrent with the hearings?
Yes, it could, if they pushed it.
It seems a lot to get going, but certainly it could.
Is it likely to occur?
Yes.
Is it a diversion?
Well, yeah, you could view it that way.
Is it time to be a diversion if it occurs this week?
Then possibly.
I don't know.
These accusations and allegations about diversion are made all the time.
But this guy goes through point by point and explains how this syndrome can cause the exact genetic effects on a human that are depicted in those photographs.
What I have heard, sir, is that six digits are indeed possible, but usually one hand at the most, or one foot, not on both hands and both feet for starters.
The eyes and the head, and I've got a report here from a pathologist who thinks the brain, and he got to see the brain in the clip, was distinctly non-human.
The eyes and the ears seem disproportionate.
The belly distended.
There are so many things about this body that it does, have you seen the photographs?
unidentified
Yeah, we've got the photographs and we have this short little article and it goes through point by point.
And yeah, you're right.
But it does also explain that each one of those things, each one of those distortions of that body can be explained at least through this extremely rare genetic disorder that can cause widened eyes that are twice the size of a normal human's eyes.
It's fairly well documented.
And we don't have your facts number, we'd love to just facts to you.
I would say the odds, along with the pathology report that I've got here, that the odds of this creature, in my opinion, being human are slim and none.
I don't think it is a human.
Now, maybe some of the rest of you that have seen the photographs would like to comment.
I know that by now many hundreds of you have seen them.
What's going on here is that about an hour ago, about an hour ago, I talked to Race Antilly in London.
And I am going over the next half hour to try to get hold of Race Antille.
I may be able to do it in the break coming up.
Who knows?
Maybe not.
At any rate, we're going to try to get hold of him and talk to him about this incredible film.
I mean, it is nothing short of incredible, and the stills from it are as well.
So that's what we'll do.
And I believe in going straight to the horse's mouth.
And in this case, the horse is Ray Santilli.
So we'll try to pick up a phone line here, if I can get one, and direct dial London and get Ray on the phone.
It should be an interesting exercise.
So if you've been concerned with and following the story of the amazing Roswell footage, stand by to stand by.
No guarantees, but we'll give it a shot.
Maybe, maybe, from London, Ray Santilli, coming up next.
unidentified
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Okay, it's my understanding that you have promised the camera person, the person who took this film, anonymity.
Is that correct?
unidentified
Yeah.
It was a situation where we could only acquire the film by agreeing to certain terms and conditions.
And as much as I understand the frustration of many people that have a love for the subject, obviously they want to know who the cameraman is and they want to know exactly his details and so forth.
It's very difficult when the agreement we reached with him was to really respect and guarantee his privacy.
And maybe you can tell me this without giving away his identity, Ray.
What was his motivation in getting the film out now?
I mean, is it because he's older and he wants the story out or what?
unidentified
No, I don't think he really cares too much about the story.
I mean, we found him by accident in 1993.
And we originally met him and discussed a completely different subject with him because this guy had spent his life as a freelance cameraman after he'd left the military.
And we purchased some other footage from him, which was strictly on a cash basis.
I heard you were originally after some Elvis Presley early footage or something and then stumbled into this.
Is that what you're saying?
unidentified
Yeah, well firstly, I mean what happened was that we were doing a documentary based on the early movement of rock and roll and the influences that it had on society and what concern there was in America about the damage rock and roll was doing to the youth of the day.
We purchased some footage from a guy that was a freelance cameraman in 55 and he shot some relevant footage.
And when we bought the footage from him, he then explained that prior to 52 he worked in the military and then he relayed the story of Roswell.
I mean at the time we didn't have a clue what Roswell was all about but when someone says to you that they've got an alien autopsy, even if you think it's ridiculous, you want to go and have a look at it, which is what we did.
You bet.
Yeah and it's a remarkable piece of film and so we went through the various verification processes that were available to us and we've landed up where we are now with the film.
Well all right let me ask you a couple of big questions about film that everybody's asking.
First of all it was you know somehow the pictures got out onto the internet Worldwide, a few of the still photographs, and people said, Aha, look at that curly phone cord.
Well, they didn't have a curly phone cord in 1945, but that's not true, is it?
They did.
unidentified
Yeah, when the stills were first released, there was a great deal of fuss about the telephone that was in the picture.
And then I think someone traced the call down to 1939.
You know, the things about this film that seems to have bothered most people is, firstly, that the creatures are all female.
So when I first saw The Stills, Ray, I was shocked.
And I guess I was very impressed because, frankly, it is my idea.
You know, you hear of the little greys and you hear of the white people and the big beans and the Nordics and all the rest of it.
And this is sort of almost human, but to me, obviously not human.
And I thought it was all the more impressive because of that.
unidentified
Yeah, maybe.
I mean, you know, it's an interesting thing because, you know, you look at these creatures and they're obviously very, very muscly.
I mean, they've got very well-developed muscle tone.
And, you know, if these creatures are out there abducting people or whatever, you'd understand why people wouldn't be able to move once they were in the grip of one of these people.
I mean, you know, it's just a very curious looking creature.
I don't know.
I mean, there are many descriptions about what these creatures should look like, and I just don't know where this sits amongst them all because I'm not an expert on the subject.
There were questions, I believe, about the clock as well.
unidentified
Yeah, I think, you know, to be honest, I'm not an expert on clocks or telephones.
The only thing I can tell you is that, you know, the footage comes from 1947, as far as we're aware, and therefore everything on it has to be 1947.
People say to me, well, do we think the film is a hoax?
And the only thing I can say is that when we first got this footage and first acquired it here in January of this year, we could have sold it 100 times over, taken some money and walked away in January with no further commitment at all.
The only reason that we still have the film and that we're working with the film is just a show of our confidence in the fact that it's genuine.
And we will work with it because hopefully we will have something that will last a good few years and that will be of benefit to everyone.
And while he did complain about some blurriness in the film at a couple points, he said the brain that was exposed looked to him, well, his words, however, he says, the appearances were not those of a human brain.
unidentified
That's right.
There are many things about the creature that are strange.
You know, it's not just the brain.
You know, you have to remember that Dr. Milroy is a professional and he's an academic.
You can't expect these people to go as far as saying, you know, this is an alien creature because their reputation is at stake.
They go as far as they can.
That report, although he doesn't say this creature is an ET or an alien, he's gone as far as he professionally can.
And it doesn't help because what's been happening in each instance, every time we bring in these professionals to look at it, and they'll give their best opinion, they're generally driven mad by some of the UFO community afterwards and they find themselves having to step backwards from the position they would probably like to take.
But I understand that it's a heated subject.
It is highly controversial.
But Kodak have come back to us and they said that as far as they're concerned, the film is manufactured in 1927, 47 or 67.
Unfortunately, they repeated the code cycles every 20 years.
But that's as close as they can get.
And we're doing a chemical analysis on one frame to pinpoint the year.
Kodak has now come back and said the film was manufactured in 27, 47 or 60.
unidentified
Yeah, Kodak released an official press statement three days ago, or four days ago, because they've analyzed the film both in Hollywood, in London and in Europe.
And they've come up with the film was manufactured in 1927, 47 or 1967.
Unfortunately, they used the same code, sequence, every 20 years, which meant that even they were unable, using the regular technology to hand, to date the film exactly.
So what we've now done is there's apparently another test, which is a chemical test, which involves the destruction of one frame.
So that will be attempted next.
And hopefully we'll be able to pinpoint the year exactly.
And so the lucky people with computers get a look.
But I guess all told, Ray, it's not that bad because there are wonderful teas for what's really coming.
And again, I would like, if I could, I've got a little newsletter that we publish for the network, and I'd like permission from you to publish those stills only.
Would that be all right?
unidentified
I just need to know what those stills are.
Because there are only five official stills that have been released.
Has anybody asked you about Mr. Stanton Friedman, who's a very dogged investigator on this case, but doesn't seem to have any knowledge of these films?
Stanton Friedman, the physicist, has been looking at news for a long time.
Have you had any contact with him at all?
unidentified
Yeah, we have had contact with Stanton.
Stanton first approached us when news of the footage became public.
And we have a situation where we have purposely, if you like, kept the footage away from the UFO community because of the problems that we've experienced in terms of tapes being copied and the internal arguments that go on in the UFO community.
And you find one division of the UFO community are always fighting with another division.
And we thought as far as our process is concerned, it would be better to bring in independent verification, people that are not interested in UFOs, people that are not interested in or have any sort of biased opinion on the subject of UFOs.
So what we did for the purpose of verification, we have really gone to, as I said, outside independent sources, and that includes doctors, film experts, and so forth.
So there's a great many people in the UFO community that have not seen the footage.
However, we did have one screening in London on the 5th of May at the Museum of London for any UFO interested party that would like to come down.
What amazed me, Ray, when I got the first reports, I talked to some people who went to that screening, and they were very much in doubt, and they were talking about the curly phone cord and all the rest of it.
And then I got to see the stills, and I felt exactly the opposite.
I thought, damn, this is the best stuff I've ever seen.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, obviously, people should be skeptical when they first see the film, because it is quite an incredible piece of film, and it just needs further investigation.
It would be foolish for anyone to look at that footage and say, really, this is the real thing, this is definitely an ETU.
It's such an incredible subject that it just needs to be thrown into the public domain, and then people need to investigate it and decide for themselves.
Fortunately, I have the advantage of dealing with the guy that shot it.
So, the information I have is firsthand.
However, the information most other people get is secondhand.
The question I would have is, in one of the still frames, it appears that one of the examiners is wearing latex gloves.
Were latex gloves around in that time period?
You've got more information than any of us have got.
I mean, I don't think that anybody here has pinpointed the fabric of either the costumes or uniforms that are being worn or of any of the other materials that are there.
I'm not sure how you would be able to determine latex glove from an internet third or fourth generation picture.
I've got no idea, especially when we have the film and can't determine that.
All right.
I'm just saying that it appears that he's wearing some sort of glove.
And yes, I wanted to ask if he's made any contact with sightings or encounters, because there's millions of people in America who love to see these films.
Ray, do you feel in a strange position that here you are, somebody who's never had anything to do with UFOs or ufology, and yet you may turn out to be the man who came up with the smoking gun?
unidentified
I don't know, it's an interesting scenario, but it's very hard because as mentioned earlier, I have no particular love for the subject of UFOs or the paranormal.
We are a commercial company, so we're in it for commercial reasons.
However, if something comes from it and it benefits the UFO community or people in general somehow, then fine.
However, there's also the other argument of saying that the footage could be so controversial that it causes nothing but more infighting and dispute amongst the people in various religions.
So, I mean, I don't know.
It's too deep a subject for me to have an opinion on, I'm afraid.
So, if you don't have our newsletter yet, this would be a real good time.
If you've already seen the photographs, I would very much like to hear from you and hear your opinion on them.
And again, I find Ray Zantille's reaction to what he's got to be totally normal, probably irritating the UFO community, who, for the most part, are dedicated to their cause and their purists.
And I'm sure they think Ray should be giving this film out to prove what the UFO community has wanted to prove for so long with regard to Roswell.
And I understand their reaction, but I also understand his.
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
Good show.
I'm the guy from England.
But I want to talk about Bosnia for a minute, if I can.
Warren Christopher is echoing exactly what the White House wants him to echo.
He's very good at that.
And right now, the White House doesn't want anything radical to occur.
They don't want 25,000 troops to have to go in and rescue the UN.
They sure as hell don't want 500,000 troops to have to fight the Serbs.
All of that would be very bad.
So what can they do?
Well, they can maintain the status quo, and that's exactly what they're going to do, by putting in additional troops, trying to protect Sarajevo and any other, quote, safe area, end quote, that remains.
It's really, really interesting because the ufology community, the people deeply into this now for years, originally seemed to be very much in doubt, thought, oh, no, it's a fake.
Because these creatures did not seem to fit into the category that they had in mind.
You know, the grays.
Why isn't it a gray?
why isn't it a creature of light or a Nordic or one of the many, many that have been talked about.
But when I saw the photos, I went, holy smokes.
Actually, that's not quite what I said, but you get the idea.
Well, they said that there were some new files coming out, and I believe, remember hearing someone say that all the files had been turned over whenever, you know, it first broke.
And I was just wondering where these new files were coming from.
Well, one of the big questions that they're going to ask today, and we're going to see how well it's dealt with, is when Vince Foster committed suicide, question mark, the White House had people over there going through his office.
And they have never properly answered what documents were removed.
I don't know what makes them think they're going to get good answers today, but maybe they do have new files.
Maybe there are some surprises.
We shall see.
unidentified
Well, it's about like the Waco incident in Ruby Reid.
Well, I would urge everybody to call C-SPAN and urge that these hearings not be delayed, but broadcast live.
And I cannot imagine why they're deciding to delay them.
unidentified
Right.
Well, that was my concern about it.
Earlier on another radio talk show, they had said something about a number two C-SPAN to call to voice my opinion about the Waco hearings being delayed.
By all means, why do you suppose they want to delay the hearings?
Is it so, well, it's an obvious answer, isn't it?
So they could do something with the content.
You would hate to think something like that would happen.
But why would C-SPAN, which exists to allow the American public to see what's going on in Congress, not broadcast live, one of the items of great interest to the American public?
Good question.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Yeah, all right.
This is Steve, KPNW Country.
Yes.
I had a couple questions.
The first one I wanted to clear up, didn't you interview somebody, a producer of the Roswell movie?
Obviously that was Michael Reagan show, but anyway he was saying today, what he's saying now is that they do have a document that says the Secret Service had seen, they found him in the car with a gun and that the people that are being interviewed are witnesses right now that are going up there are Secret Service agents.
Now, I hesitate to believe that only because that would mean the Secret Service lied or kept that information from all of the other inquiries that have gone before, and I find that a little difficult to believe.
And I wanted to comment on the Roswell photos on the internet that I've seen.
Well, I didn't find them all that compelling.
I think it's too tough to judge just by the pictures alone on whether they're a hoax or whether they're authentic.
I think what will decide for me one way or the other is when I see the actual film and what all the film has in it, whether it has the entire autopsy on it.
And also, I'm not sure if I read it correctly on the net, but is there footage of the actual wreckage?
not that i'm aware of no although the impression that Oh, just the autopsy.
Oh, okay.
Well, I would have to see that, but I think just based on just the pictures I've seen on the internet, I mean, they may be authentic, they may be a hoax, but even if they are authentic, they're not compelling enough to change any skeptics' opinions on the subject.
When I first saw that, I was like, wow, this is great.
And then I think I read on the internet on one of the Art Bell pages somebody who left a message saying, you know, hey, you know, I hate to burst your bubble.
It's that this met my personal expectation of what an alien really might look like, more so than the little graves or all the traditional explanations of what aliens look like.
I think that's why I'm interested.
unidentified
Well, I felt it was kind of, I don't know, anticlimactic.
Yeah, I mean, I just thought that the body itself looks, I mean, it's just like a, I mean, there's, I mean, pardon, but no genitalia, no nipples or anything like that.
But see, first of all, it's a female, so that was not obvious in the photograph.
Second of all, I would think you would find that compelling the other way around.
Shouldn't there be nipples?
Should the eyes be that large?
They're nearly double size?
No.
The ears that small?
No.
Six digits on each hand and each foot?
I mean, give me a break.
I found that.
My assessment of these photographs is that well, I guess that's what makes the world go round.
Everybody, it hits everybody a little differently.
People in the UFO community, ufologists, had a certain expectation of what it should be.
I think for those people, they've had a very hard time accepting this film and these stills.
I have not.
And I don't know that I'm any more objective.
Maybe I am a little more objective because I've always held myself a little bit out.
You know, I'm not a total believer.
I'm not a guy who says they are here.
They're absolutely here.
I know they are.
I don't know that.
But somehow in my mind, if they do exist, I always thought they might look just about like what I saw in that photo.
We'll be back.
unidentified
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Music You're going to speak to ourselves somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks, tonight on board presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 17th, 1995.
If you just happen to join us, too bad you missed the interview with Ray Santilli, who's got the Roswell, the alleged Roswell film.
An absolutely amazing film based on the stills that I have, and I weaseled permission, weaseled is the right word, to publish them in our newsletter, and by gosh, he gave permission.
So, expect those five photographs to publish in our next newsletter.
I'll be zinging them up to the publisher later today.
Now, I've got something I'm going to read you here from the University of Sheffield Department of Forensic Pathology, who saw and made a report on the film in just a moment.
Right now, east of the Rockies, you are on the air.
Anyway, you know, when people point out that it should be made legal because, you know, it would be less expensive.
We wouldn't have to, and we'd make money off of it from the revenues if we tax it and all that, they fail to realize the fact that we're going to end up paying for all those people that go into hospitals on drug overdoses and stuff like that.
Just the way we pay for, for example, $100 billion in lost productivity because of alcohol.
Imagine if we were to add the drugs.
No, that color is correct.
All right.
Listen to this.
At the request of the Merlin Group, I, by the way, this, what I'm about to read to you comes from Dr. C.M. Milroy, senior lecturer in forensic pathology at the University of Sheffield.
And he viewed the film from which the stills that are going to go into our newsletter come.
At the request of the Merlin Group, I have reviewed a film which was claimed to show a post-mortem examination being carried out on an extraterrestrial being.
The film was allegedly taken on a U.S. military base in 1947.
The film is in black and white.
A full record of the autopsy was not present.
As apparently only some reels of the film record were available, no sound was present.
The autopsy room was small.
The examination was being conducted by people wearing full protective clothing.
Besides the autopsy table, a tray of standard autopsy instruments.
The body was human in appearance and appeared to be female, but without secondary sexual characteristics.
No breast development.
No pubic hair visible.
The head was disproportionately large.
No head hair was present.
The abdomen was distended.
There was no evidence of decomposition.
The overall external appearance was that of a white adolescent female, estimated to be five feet tall, tending towards a heavy build, but not abnormally thin or fat.
There were six digits to each hand and foot.
The eyes appeared larger than normal, and the globes were covered with a black material which was shown being removed.
There was an extensive and deep injury to the right thigh.
This was not shown in very close-up detail, but appeared to be burnt and charred down to deep tissue.
No similar injury was present, though there was possible bruising down the left-hand side of the body.
Overall, there was a general absence of injury.
The body was open with a Y-shaped incision, but the skin of the neck was not fully reflected.
A close of the knife being drawn against the skin was not shown, with blood coming from the skin.
This appeared to be an unusual amount of blood.
The neck appeared to contain two cylinder structures either side anterior, whatever that means.
These could have been muscles, but were odd in appearance, though they were not shown in close-up.
The skin of the chest was shown reflected and the central rib cage and sternum block removed.
The chest was shown reflected and central rib cage individually.
There appeared to be some sort of heart, two lungs, but when close-up shots of the organs were shown, they were always out of focus.
The abdominal organs were not clearly seen, though it did not appear that the being was pregnant, an explanation that Had been proposed for the distended abdomen.
The scalp was shown being reflected anteriorly, having been cut in a standard autopsy manner.
The skull was then shown being sawn with a hand saw across the front of the skull.
Through the backward cuts and removal of the skull cap were not shown.
What appeared to be the membranes covering the brain or dura were shown being cut and removed.
Though a close-up shot of the brain was shown again, it too was out of focus.
However, the appearances were not those of a human brain.
Overall, the appearances were those of a white adolescent female with a humanoid body.
There were six digits, and he goes on and on and on.
So that gives you some idea of what a pathologist thought when he saw it.
Now, clearly, that's not definitive, but clearly it is suggestive, or you would think as far as probably a rather intellectual, somewhat stuffy, that may be an unfair characterization, but after all, he is British at the University of Sheffield-Reuth.
You know, that's going pretty far, I thought, and stuffy was unfair, but for somebody who is a mainstream professional, that was going quite a ways, I thought.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi, this is Tim from Seattle.
Yes.
You were talking about the six digits on those aliens.
I was wondering if you were aware that you've heard of, you know, obviously David and Goliath.
The Federal Aviation Administration says the main radar system that tracks planes flying through six states in the Midwest failed for more than an hour on Monday night.
An FAA spokesman said the failure forced air traffic controllers to use an older system.
says, though, safety was not compromised.
He says the system failed at 6.45 p.m.
Central, and the backup kicked in immediately.
There's been a lot of that going on lately.
Down at the bottom, it says, cause of the latest failure was not immediately known.
Yeah, Spectre did come off sounding like a Democrat.
unidentified
Yeah, it was really amazing.
Also, when you talked to that young man again about those photographs, could you ask him if any government folks started asking questions about those pictures?
I'll tell you, I'll describe to you what is an interesting controversy, sir.
And I haven't figured this one out myself.
If the footage that Race Antilley has actually is the footage of the 1947 Roswell autopsy after the crash, that would mean that it's U.S. government footage.
And I'm not sure such a thing could be copyrighted.
But as long as it hangs in the air, without anybody being sure of the origin, then I guess it can.
It's really an odd story right now, and I can't tell you that I know the answer to it.
I can't tell you that these photographs are real.
I can just give you my feeling.
My feeling is they are.
It may turn out to be a hoax because I've been hoaxed before.
On the other hand, I have a lot of things in my possession that are totally, utterly unexplainable.
And right now, the Roswell photos are one of those things.
The latest on KFOR is that they have run a film, or excuse me, a story purportedly connecting John Doe number two to some sort of Philippine, I said Philippine terrorist group.
And I'm trying to get details on it, so hang in there.
unidentified
Okay.
And also one more point on the are we going to get more pictures?
I said, you see that we're going to have pictures from the Roswell.
And what my comment was, what do you conclude from Schumer's fear?
unidentified
Oh, I felt exactly the way you expressed the situation, that this was a preemptive strike.
I thought that the same thing when I heard Robert Rubin's comments, that they knew what was coming, and therefore they were staging a preemptive strike, trying to divert attention away from the true subject matter, which was to get to the bottom of it and get the truth.
So I can only assume from their fear that there's going to be a bombshell that's going to make their gun control efforts after and following it look wrong.
unidentified
I believe you've correctly analyzed the situation, Art.
Yeah, and I'm also upset that they're not going to be televising those live.
I think as regards the question from your earlier caller about calling C-SPAN, that this is not going to do any good because the House and the Senate both are the ultimate arbiters of the coverage.