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July 17, 1995 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Open Lines - Alien Autopsy - Weather

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	Welcome to Arkbell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from July 17th, 1995.
	From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, or good morning, as the case may be across all these time zones.
	Howdy.
	From Tahiti and the Hawaiian Islands, to the Caribbean, to North Pole, and down to South America, this is Coast to Coast AM.
	And after thinking about it a little bit, The title still works.
	It's just that now we're talking about other coasts.
	Hi everybody.
	Good to be here this morning.
	Lots to talk about.
	First of all, notification of some new affiliates on the way.
	Those of you listening to KAGO in Klamath Falls, Oregon can begin looking forward to Dreamland coming this next Sunday.
	Then, uh, comes, get this, this is pretty neat, I think, WSTP.
	Now, we've got KSTP in Minneapolis, St.
	Paul.
	Now we're gonna have WSTP in Salisbury, North Carolina.
	Somehow the brotherhood of the STPs.
	Um, also, um, a biggie out in St.
	George, Utah, coming.
	Uh, it'll be, uh, they're 10,000 watts on 890.
	And they just come banging into this area.
	That's KDXU in St.
	George, Utah.
	They'll be coming up, I think, July 24th.
	Same deal for WSTP.
	Now, the news.
	And there's a lot of it.
	Over the weekend, the main subject, of course, was Bosnia.
	And Bosnia is really a mess.
	Bob Dole is going to move this week to have a vote on lifting the arms embargo.
	Warren Christopher, of course, thinks it is a big mistake.
	I think Warren Christopher is a total dud of a human being, but I've always thought so.
	There are 200,000 dead or injured in Bosnia thus far, and Warren Christopher was on Meat Press on said that what he's thinking now is that we ought to strengthen the UN and protect the safe havens in Bosnia what's left of them and that's not much then work towards some negotiated peace the rapid reaction force is on the way there is yet another possible scenario being talked about tonight and that is to airlift in European troops not our troops their troops but
	To get them in would require, first, U.S.
	jets going in, trying to cause the Serb radars to fire up so they could destroy the anti-aircraft positions.
	Now, bear in mind, the Serbs have already shot down an F-16.
	And they're not going to have a lot of trouble with Apaches, Chinooks, Sea Stallions, Blackhawks, that sort of thing.
	And that, of course, is what we would use to try to move the European troops in.
	There are thousands of Muslim refugees on the run.
	The UN has all but so far given up.
	The West, including us as in US, has no idea what we can do next.
	So, really, it could not be worse.
	There are atrocities, there's genocide going on, and I think, and I have always thought, that it's our fault, some of it.
	We should never have embargoed arms.
	Why in the world, in the world, would we want these people to be slaughtered?
	Why does it seem to be in our interest, and I can only imagine I mean, nations do things, don't they, that are in their interest, somehow or another.
	And why is it in our interest to allow this slaughter to go on?
	We won't let them protect themselves.
	It's damn near too late.
	But, in the category of what we ought to do, it seems to me, it's obvious.
	Bob Dole's got the right answer, I'm the Bosnians, and the critics out there say that will be the Americanization of the war.
	Well, not necessarily.
	We armed the Mujahideen, the Afghan rebels, and there was not the Americanization of the war.
	We didn't have troops over there, so why would we, of necessity, have them in Bosnia?
	Anyway, here's a facts on the subject, dear Art.
	Until recently, I was of the belief that America could not, and should not, be the world's policeman.
	But now, I'm not so sure.
	Seeing on a nightly basis the horrible things that are going on in Bosnia has forced me to ask the question, where do we draw the line?
	The film clips on TV seem to get worse each night.
	Which atrocity captured on film will be the one that finally pushes public opinion to the side of the U.S.
	involvement in Bosnia?
	I grew up thinking that America was more than just another country.
	That as a nation, we were strong enough, honorable enough, and determined enough to do things in the world that other countries could not do.
	We have the power and will to get to the moon, but we cannot seem to muster the will to keep genocide from happening just a few thousand miles from our own border.
	It seems our country has become a nation of individuals.
	We've become so busy in our own lives that we have little time for our own children.
	We don't even know the names of our next-door neighbors.
	But does this mean we shouldn't get involved when evil forces are torturing people by the tens of thousands?
	So, it is an argument.
	I know.
	But I think the argument is stronger on the side of non-involvement.
	At least that's my assessment.
	And I am not an isolationist.
	But, uh, this is their war.
	And they're bound and determined to fight it.
	One way or the other, with or without weapons.
	If we have any culpability, it seems to me, it is this arms embargo.
	How cruel, how unusual, how immoral, to keep guns out of the hands of those who are otherwise being mowed down.
	And that's what happens when you don't have guns.
	And the other guy does.
	There's no great mystery.
	Except, why is it in our apparent national interest, he asks again, to allow this to go on?
	A little bit of good news.
	William Barloon and David Delabarte, who stumbled across the Iraqi border, have been set free.
	Courtesy of the office of Congressman Bill Richardson, who went over there.
	Apparently he's been negotiating with the Iraqis for months.
	First, they wanted the end of the sanctions, UN sanctions, a letter from President Clinton, and unfreezing Iraqi money internationally.
	Eventually, we are told, they settled for nothing, and just let them go.
	Now, I wonder how many of you believe that, that there was not some behind-the-scenes deal.
	It is an obvious question to at least pose.
	Drug arrests for children in America, kids under 18, as measured by a new survey, between 1984 and 1993, are way up.
	Way up.
	From 66,000 to 84,000, up 18%, actually almost 85,000, up 18%.
	93 are way up. Way up.
	From 66,000 to 84,000, up 18 percent, actually almost 85,000,
	up 18 percent. Drug use, in other words, in the mid-nineties is up again.
	We all thought we had it.
	it.
	Well, we didn't.
	And last week we were in the middle of a survey generated by something Newt Gingrich said, and I still think he's absolutely right.
	And that is that there should be a national referendum on what to do about drugs.
	The reason I want it is because it would allow us to move either in one direction or the other.
	And I'm all in favor of that because the present direction is the road to nowhere.
	Absolutely nowhere.
	The drug war is lost.
	We've either got to get tough, or, and in his words, that means people bringing in commercial quantities, you know, get a bullet.
	Or, we legalize drugs, take the profit and the violence and all the rest of it, as they argue, out of it.
	One or the other.
	but have a national referendum and then begin moving at least in one direction
	or the other over the weekend again the sunday shows
	i think it was meet the press
	uh... pat you can and was on and uh...
	there was a uh... big discussion uh... uh... between senator specter and
	buchanan Senator Spector is pro-choice.
	And Senator Specter maintained there is, in his words, a continuum.
	In other words, a direct line you can draw from Pat Buchanan's Holy War to the guy who pulls the trigger on an abortion doctor.
	Now, I shortened that a little bit, the continuum, but that was the line.
	That was the idea.
	You think Specter's right?
	Pat Buchanan's running around saying that he'll be Ronald Reagan if that's what America wants.
	Mr. Buchanan wants to hold congressional hearings on when life begins.
	Now that's an interesting question, always has been, you know, we've been fighting about that for all the time I've done talk radio.
	When does life begin?
	Somebody I knew once said, well, that's easy.
	When he says to she, hey baby, that's when life begins.
	Do you think they could decide, have a congressional investigation, argue back and forth, and come up with some kind of official proclamation about when life begins?
	Specter came after Buchanan for wanting all kinds of constitutional changes.
	And Buchanan basically said, yes, but you know, with the right composition of the court, we won't need them.
	We'll get a court that will turn things back to the way they ought to be anyway.
	Do you remember the end of the week last week?
	I still find this to be an incredible story.
	Brinkley chose to talk about it at the end of his program.
	It was all about the woman who wasn't.
	The man in Utah, the poor guy in Utah, who called the police, said that his wife of three and a half years was missing, gone.
	The police searched and found his wife.
	They also found out his wife was a man.
	The man's comment, the real man's comment, when he found out was, gee do I feel stupid.
	Well, You know, of course he should have known.
	The obvious but impolite areas of he should have known, so we don't talk about those.
	Somehow we didn't.
	Hard to believe.
	The Washington Post asked over the weekend, why do you suppose he was not suspicious when she, in quotes, asked for a Christmas present of a drill press?
	Why, asked Brinkley, wasn't he suspicious when she had to lather up and shave every day?
	You know, I guess I must believe this story, but I truly find it unbelievable.
	I mean, how could it be?
	How, ladies and gentlemen, could it be?
	Could it be?
	I want to jump ahead.
	I've got so much news, I'm never going to get it all in.
	I want to talk a little bit about the weather, and I know everybody's going to say, oh, here he goes again.
	Well, yeah, here I go again.
	The weather all across, right now here in the desert, it's kind of humid, has been overcast, drizzly even, rainy.
	My friends to the north in Reno, up into Oregon, Tell me there's thunder and lightning all over the place.
	In Chicago, and in the Midwest, Wisconsin, you guys up there know, but particularly take, for example, Chicago.
	There have been, I am told now, 190 deaths from the hot weather, the heat.
	Now, it's already cooled off, uh... that is at least into the mid eighties but the county coroner in chicago thinks the death toll will go to three hundred three hundred people dead from the heat in chicago alone now arguably they got in trouble with their power there and they lost it for about three days that's just one city
	There were 44 additional deaths today alone in Chicago.
	Mayor of Chicago wants his area declared a disaster area because of it.
	Now I've been watching the weather this year so far here and our summer began very late and is at this moment weird.
	The weather patterns it seems to me Are changing.
	Now, I know.
	Everybody will say it.
	And, of course, you know, weather gets weird.
	There are variations.
	I know that.
	But, I have questions about this.
	This number of people dead because of hot weather.
	I wonder if anybody's thought that it might be something else.
	Other than, and or in combination with the weather.
	That's too many people.
	Too many people.
	That many Americans don't die in a heat wave in one city, at least not in my experience.
	Boris Yeltsin.
	Now, this is a very interesting story, and I'm gonna have to wind it up, I can see with this one, but he's, you know, remember he had heart problems last week, supposedly?
	When he first had them, they said, oh, this is a critical heart condition.
	Now, and since then, All of a sudden, his assistants have been saying, no, no, he's healthy.
	So yesterday they released a photograph of Yeltsin, black and white.
	NBC noticed that this supposed photograph of Yeltsin was a fake.
	One taken actually in April.
	And they proved it.
	With each and every little detail in the photograph.
	Identical to a photograph taken in April.
	Later in the day, Moscow released a second photograph, this time in color, but the same photograph taken in April.
	So, what does this mean?
	It means they're lying.
	Now, What does it mean if they're lying?
	It means Yeltsin probably is in critical condition.
	That's what I think.
	And I think very shortly you're going to hear an announcement, some sort of announcement anyway, from Russia about the death of Yeltsin.
	That's just my opinion.
	Or maybe he's just so critically drunk and messed up that they're drying him out.
	You know, who knows?
	But one thing's for sure, they're lying, and we can wonder about why.
	All right, well I've got enough material.
	As you know, Waco hearings get underway.
	The Whitewater hearings get underway later today or tomorrow, depending on your time zone.
	Waco on Wednesday.
	It's not going to be an easy week for the President, for the White House.
	By the way, they dug down trying to find Jesse James, and guess what?
	So far, No Jesse James in the grave.
	They're going to dig more tomorrow, but I mean they're way down there now.
	And so far not even a bone.
	So a lot of people are starting to think maybe Jesse got away with it.
	Faked his own death.
	And lived out his life, no doubt, happily someplace or another.
	We'll be right back.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 17, 1995.
	This is a presentation of the Coast to Coast AMX-3.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
	Tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from July 17th, 1995.
	You're really gonna love this one.
	Street gang activity that was once confined, by the way, according to Newsweek, street gang activity once confined to South Central LA, Chicago, and New York's Harlem, has now been reported throughout, guess where?
	The U.S.
	military.
	The magazine reported in its July 24th issue that notorious L.A.
	street gangs, like the Crips, the Bloods, and Chicago's Folk Gangsters, are now active in all four branches of the armed services and at more than 50, count them, 50 military bases around the U.S.
	It said most gang crimes, such as drug trafficking, robbery, assault, and at least 10 cases of homicide, ...have taken place off base and off duty.
	But it adds that army enlisted men have been photographed flashing gang signs in the middle of the Gulf War.
	It also said some gangs stake out turf on aircraft carriers at sea.
	There was a gang member that ran for office in Chicago.
	He didn't make it, but he ran.
	And now we hear they're in the U.S.
	military.
	That to me, that to me is actually unbelievable.
	I was in the Air Force and to imagine gang activity in the military is about as unimaginable for me as anything I've ever heard.
	But there you are.
	That's Newsweek.
	On the Miss America contest, Kathy from Oregon writes, who needs it?
	Thinking further on your discussion of the swimsuit issue, I think it's time the whole thing either developed some relevance or goes the way of blue-eye shadow.
	Besides being blatantly sexist, it is just plain corny.
	Why do we need to choose a female ideal anyhow?
	Is this some twisted evolution of pagan virgin sacrifice?
	I've had plenty of female role models, none of which would be candidates for the Queen of Cosmetics crown.
	Women of great spiritual depth and personal sacrifice, like Mother Teresa.
	Women who are gracious artists, like Beverly Sills.
	Women of intelligence, poise, and strength, like Margaret Thatcher.
	Women who help us laugh, like Whoopi Goldberg.
	And all the women with the incredible gift of encouraging others.
	Though they rarely become famous, like my mother, teachers, friends, even strangers who have helped me in life.
	These women are beautiful.
	Your fan, Kathy.
	And so, maybe that will be the attitude and the swimsuit contest will go.
	But you know, Mario Cuomo, who was a guest on the Brinkley Show Sunday, said, come on, let's face it.
	Given a chance, he says, you know, the swimsuit contest shall continue.
	The American people will vote for it.
	I think they will.
	Otherwise, it's going to come down to which contestant wants to save the most whales.
	But Mario Cuomo said on Brinkley, the American people actually, in his view, would vote for not only swimsuits, but more violence on TV, more sex, and all the rest of it.
	They'd vote for bikinis, or less, if they could.
	Is that true?
	Tell the truth.
	Tell the truth!
	Would you, if instead of this Miss America pageant, asking whether or not to eliminate the swimsuit contest, if it was should they wear nearly nothing, bikinis or less, would you vote for that?
	Would you vote for more violence on television?
	More sex, as Mario Cuomo suggested?
	Interesting question, and probably Mario Cuomo is correct.
	Sad, but true.
	Probably not true of a lot of you, who I consider generally to be of a higher intellectual bent.
	But of the great American masses, he's probably right.
	Okay, let us open the lines.
	Anything you want to talk about, fair game.
	Here are the numbers.
	If you are a first-time caller to the program, it's area code 702-727-1212.
	702-727-1222. The wildcard direct dial lines, area code 702-727-1295.
	702-727-1295.
	The west of the Rockies line, 1-800-618-8255. Toll free.
	1-800-618-8255.
	The east of the Rockies line, 1-800-825-5033.
	1-800-825-5033.
	Zenith, America's last TV maker, bought for 350 million dollars by a Korean company.
	1-800-825-5033. 1-800-825-5033. Zenith, America's last TV maker, bought for 350 million dollars
	by a Korean company. Goodbye, Zenith. East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi, Art.
	How you doing?
	I'm doing.
	Oh, good.
	Today on Chuck Lauder, he had on a Captain Joyce Riley.
	She's a military nurse.
	And Peter, he's a researcher.
	I didn't get his last name.
	And they're investigating the biological Gulf War Syndrome.
	I'd like to see him as a guest on your show, if possible.
	But from their interview, I just wonder, you know, Are our troops being used as pawns?
	Are the people being used as pawns?
	Is this, you know, it's like for population control or something.
	What?
	New World Order.
	It's like, like the death, the heat death.
	All these deaths.
	Everything is dying, dying.
	It's like a New World Order population control agenda or something.
	You think maybe the New World Order people threw the heat on Chicago?
	I am, uh, I am very curious about what's going on there and with our weather.
	It's odd.
	Part of the quickening?
	Oh, I don't know.
	You might argue.
	You really might.
	That's too many people.
	Does anybody out there ever remember 300 people dying from a heatwave in the Midwest in the summer?
	I don't.
	I sure don't.
	And they showed an awful lot of people in Chicago who didn't, had never recalled anything like this either.
	A quirk?
	Maybe.
	Part of a more general, uh, disruption of the force?
	I don't know how else to put it.
	Uh, maybe.
	Maybe, uh, sort of a disruption of the force.
	Whatever that is.
	Um, wildcard line?
	You're on the air.
	Oh, hi Art.
	Hello.
	My name is Jack in Houston.
	Let me turn down my radio.
	OK, Jack.
	I'm sorry, I missed where you were.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Houston, Texas.
	Oh, Houston, Texas.
	All right.
	Listening to KTRA 740.
	The Mighty.
	Yeah, Art.
	My reason for calling tonight is to ask a question and make a comment about life on Mars.
	Yes.
	My question is about your Sunday show, Dreamland.
	Where did you get the idea to call it Dreamland?
	Well, I did a show like it in Las Vegas for a year prior, which was called Area 2000.
	When we came out here, it went from being a single radio station show to being syndicated, and we thought a new name.
	So, Dreamland came because we are adjacent to dreamland a place called dreamland have you heard of it?
	Las Vegas?
	Area 51 it's called.
	Oh.
	And I live about 65 miles west of Las Vegas and over the mountain range is dreamland.
	Oh.
	It also embraces the topic of the program.
	I thought maybe you got it from a song by Van Morrison?
	No.
	Called Call Me Up in Dreamland?
	No.
	And about life on Mars, Art?
	Yes, hard, but maybe possible.
	A little dry, desert-like.
	You know, I seriously doubt there is life on Mars.
	Why?
	I think there's a distinct possibility that there's life in Mars.
	You know?
	That they can have, like, underground cities there?
	Yeah.
	Have you ever heard of complete, self-sustained underground cities?
	Well, I've heard of it.
	You know, like, I think they... Why do you think every now and then they would pump their heads up for something or another?
	Well, if they're well-camouflaged, you know, maybe they have good camouflage.
	But, I mean, they have, like, underground cities there in Nevada, don't they?
	I'm unable to talk about that, sir.
	Oh.
	Directive 4.
	Oh.
	Well, I... Listen, I've got to run, but thank you very much.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yeah, this is the Shadow from Citrus Heights.
	Citrus Heights.
	Yeah.
	I have a cat named Shadow.
	Yeah, I know.
	I've called you before.
	Unfortunately, you turned down the volume on me on that time.
	I think I irritated you.
	I'm a shortwave listener myself.
	I understand that you advertise shortwave radios now and then.
	Now and then.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, for example, as a little correction, Uh, the, uh, Moscow Radio, you know that you talk about sometimes?
	Radio Moscow, yeah.
	Right.
	That has been changed now.
	They don't call themselves that.
	They call themselves Voice of Russia.
	Yeah, I know, but, um, basically, sir, it's the same voice.
	I was just seeing if you were aware of that, that's all.
	Oh, yes, I am.
	Yeah, the other thing I was thinking, you know, the guy was talking about Mars.
	Let me add a little bit to that, okay?
	Okay.
	And I was just thinking, I'm into astronomy and stuff like this, and I was thinking that, that, uh, for example, Uh, one place for landing, which I would use, if I was coming towards the Earth, would be landing on the dark side, or the far side of the Moon.
	Okay?
	And our communication, if I didn't want you to hear, just like the phone you're talking about, it cannot be heard with a scanner.
	I wonder if you could use a trope from the Moon.
	Anyway, using communications that would be scrambled, and you couldn't pick up from a scanner, no one on Earth could pick it up and be encrypted, or whatever.
	Uh, if I, you know, and this is maybe a reason why we're not hearing him, Well, it is absolutely true, sir.
	Thank you.
	As a matter of fact, we really would not detect the use of spread spectrum technology.
	Some of you know what that is.
	It's fairly new.
	It's being used by some of the new portable phones as well.
	It's not quite, in my opinion, perfected yet.
	It has a couple difficulties in it.
	It makes the telephone sound very hollow.
	But what spread spectrum does, I guess I'll put it to you this way.
	You're listening to me now on a radio station that is on a frequency, AM or FM or whatever.
	Spread Spectrum takes what you're listening to right now and spreads it over all kinds of frequencies so that a little bit of information is here and there and without the ability to decode where the information is, when, you would not even be aware that anything was there.
	That is spread spectrum technology.
	It's being utilized now for satellite.
	Most of the wire services, Associated Press, rest of those, distribute by spread spectrum on satellite.
	So, the caller is correct.
	Unless it was a signal designed to be detected, and not one designed to be stealth, we might not ever know it would be there.
	It's true.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Yes, Art.
	My name's Eddie.
	I'm calling from St.
	Cloud, Minnesota.
	Yes.
	Hi, Eddie.
	Hi.
	One minute.
	Let me turn my radio down.
	Oh, good.
	Yes.
	Get that sucker down.
	Get it off.
	I just real briefly want to let you know that I have real good information that we'll be getting Dreamland here at KNSI.
	Oh, you do?
	Yes.
	Well, you guys always seem to know these things before I do.
	It seems to be a Minnesota thing, doesn't it?
	Actually, it's nationwide, sir.
	A lot of times, people like you call me up and say things like you just said.
	Nine times out of ten, it turns out to be true.
	You know, I'll call my network.
	My network will call the radio station.
	They'll say, oh yeah, we're going to be doing that.
	So, I hope you get it.
	I was told by someone in the know that it'll be within the next 60 days we'll be getting Dreamland.
	I see.
	And I've been listening to you for about six months and I've been dying to hear Dreamland.
	I can understand that.
	It's a fascinating show.
	Okay, you have a good morning.
	You have a great show.
	Alright, thank you.
	Next week on Dreamland, Max the Crystal Skull.
	Max the Crystal Skull.
	I'm looking forward to that one.
	Oh, by the way, I wanted to go out of my way to say thank you to whoever it was, and I should have your name, who sent me the Whale Kaboom film.
	Do you remember that?
	It was a story in Oregon that occurred many years ago.
	And a big ol' whale washed up on shore in Oregon.
	And the job to dispose of the whale fell to the Oregon State Highway Department.
	And I suppose they sat around over a couple of beers trying to figure out what they were going to do with the whale.
	The story said they could only figure it the Highway Department because highways are big and whales are big.
	Anyway, they had to figure out what to do with it.
	So they got all this dynamite.
	All this, it's a story right out of the turkeys falling out of the helicopter, thrown out of the helicopter on WKRP.
	They got all this dynamite and blew this whale into smithereens.
	Only, they weren't quite smithereens.
	See, they figured blow it into small pieces and the seagulls would eat it up.
	Well, it blew into pieces.
	In fact, the explosion was absolutely spectacular.
	Unfortunately, one of the pieces was big enough to come down and crush an automobile.
	The spectators took off for their lives as whale blubbers splattered them into the sand.
	And somebody else called me and said, oh, this story is not true.
	It's an old myth or something.
	Oh, no.
	I have a beautifully clear, wonderfully funny, in retrospect, videotape Of the whole occurrence.
	So, whoever sent me the tape called Whale Kaboom, thank you.
	It's glorious.
	I shall keep it forever and treasure it.
	You can't imagine.
	It looked like something out of Star Wars when this whale went up.
	It was unbelievable.
	And then these big splats start coming down and they showed a photograph of the car totally crushed by one piece of whale flab.
	It was unbelievable.
	We'll be right back.
	Kikwit.
	Ebola.
	O'Hare.
	Airlines.
	Coincidence?
	Just exercising the Chuck Harter side of my brain.
	Gym in Tupelo, Mississippi.
	Art, the ABC News at 11 o'clock this evening, which I heard on KBI a few minutes ago, reported the BATF has obtained 22 cargo airplanes capable of transporting heavy weapons.
	An ATF spokeswoman confirmed this to ABC.
	So to avoid any further involvement of the U.S.
	military, oh I see, let's use this new ATF Air Force to transport arms to the Bosnian Muslims once the Senate finally overturns this ridiculous embargo.
	Maybe they could take Warren Christopher along for the ride and pack an extra shoot, Steve.
	Yeah, I don't like... I really, really don't like Warren Christopher.
	I don't know what it is about the man.
	I really don't.
	Listening to him?
	I really don't.
	I mean, in a way, he says... No, he doesn't even say the right things.
	He says them in diplomatese very well.
	There's just something like that.
	I just... I do not like Warren Christopher.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Jeff.
	Seattle.
	How you doing?
	Oh, pretty good.
	How about you?
	KVI, which becomes Como at 1 a.m.
	Yeah, I've been confused for a while there.
	Is it okay if I change the subject a little?
	Always.
	Okay, about Newt Gingrich's drug referendum?
	Yes.
	He included marijuana in there?
	I'm afraid so, yes.
	But he didn't say any of the other uses of it besides Besides, it's getting high.
	Well, that's true.
	His only concern with regard to the referendum is on the use of drugs as drugs, not paper products or clothing or wood products or anything else.
	But you can use it... We all know, sir.
	Okay.
	Well, that's all I wanted to say.
	All right.
	Thank you very much.
	Yeah, sure.
	Hemp can be used for many other things.
	It is true.
	But it would threaten many other industries.
	Now, is that a factor?
	No, of course not.
	Would the paper industry, or the wood industry, or the clothing industry be affected?
	No.
	Long card line, you're on the air.
	Yeah, hi Art.
	This is Roy, calling from Eugene.
	Hi, Roy.
	How you doing?
	Okay.
	I sent you a fax earlier, and I'm sure you got it, because you get so many a day.
	Yes, I do.
	About what?
	It was in regard to the Santilli film coming out of England.
	No, I don't recall it.
	Oh, okay, great.
	How many pages?
	Just one.
	A single page with a cover page.
	As a matter of fact, I'm going to pick up the phone during this next break and I'm going to call Ray Santilli in England.
	It must be about the right time to call him.
	And I'm going to see if I can line something up.
	Okay, I have some more information on the film.
	I talked to a gentleman here.
	He's from California.
	Who has the exclusive rights to the film for distributing it on videotape.
	Yes.
	And I guess that from what he has told me, and I couldn't verify my facts... Sir, I'll tell you what.
	Do you want to hold on?
	Hey, you bet.
	I've got a break coming up here, so hold on where you are.
	We'll be right back.
	You're listening to ArcBell Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from July 17th, 1995.
	This is a video of the original song. It was released in 1995.
	Well, somewhere in time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from July 17, 1995.
	To those of you just joining at this hour, hello, welcome.
	We'll review the news here in a moment.
	I've got a caller on hold who was in the middle of saying something about Ray Santilli's Roswell film.
	And that he has a friend who has the distribution rights in California or something.
	Is that right, sir?
	Yes, sir, it is.
	On videotape, huh?
	On videotape.
	What I have now is he gave me a pretty detailed description of what's on the film.
	He had given me some information on other parts of the film that he has not seen yet, but has heard what is supposedly on the film.
	And he gave me the story about how the films came into the possession of Mr. Santilli.
	Well, I'm going to get that right from the horse's mouth.
	I'm going to be interviewing Ray Santilli on the air.
	OK.
	How's that?
	Oh, that's great.
	And that's sometime this week?
	Yeah.
	Of course, he's in London.
	So I think it's just coming up around 9 o'clock or so in the morning in London or before it.
	And I didn't reach him this last break, but I'll call him in the next break and we'll line it up for tomorrow or something.
	Okay.
	Can I add one more thing really quick?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	What I did receive from my friend who is the director of the UFO Audio Video Clearinghouse in California, I received a letter from him and the stills of the footage that you have on your bulletin board and all that.
	These are just incredible.
	I know.
	These are really incredible.
	I know they are.
	It's a great teaser for the film, I guess.
	Yeah.
	All right, sir.
	Thank you very much.
	And if any of you want the stills, they're all over cyberspace.
	They're on the Internet at various locations.
	And we have them on the bulletin board.
	You need a computer and a modem and a little bit of know-how and how to download using some sort of protocols, a modem or whatever.
	You can call our bulletin board 24 hours a day.
	They are awesome.
	I mean, there's no other way to explain it.
	In fact, I found them particularly shocking because, to me, they look like what an alien ought to look like.
	Kind of a vague image of us, if you will, but enough difference so you say, oh my god.
	You know, that's the kind of reactions I've been getting universally.
	All right, new affiliate news coming.
	Coming shortly, coming attractions, next week, WSTP in Salisbury, North Carolina, will begin carrying Dreamland.
	Now, I thought that was kind of neat, because we have KSTP in Minneapolis, St.
	Paul, and now WSTP, and we have both.
	Coming soon, KAGO, no, I'm sorry, I should have said Coast to Coast, WSTP will be carrying coast to coast from 2 to 5.
	KGO in Klamath Falls is the one adding Dreamland beginning August 6th.
	And also a big pickup, KDXU in St.
	George, Utah begins we think about July 24th.
	Now they're a big one on 890.
	And I suppose if you're anywhere in Utah or the surrounding states, including, I might add, here in Nevada, 890 comes in like a bomb.
	So beginning July 24th, we will be there as well.
	The news is not good.
	Bosnia is, of course, a disastrous mess.
	It was the subject of most of the weekend shows.
	The safe areas are falling like ten pins.
	The UN is huddled in a corner somewhere.
	Warren Christopher is talking about sending in US jets, followed by helicopters carrying European ground troops.
	And nobody really knows what the hell to do.
	Bob Dole wants to arm the Bosnians.
	The President does not.
	It's just, you know, it's a big mess.
	We are, to some degree, responsible for not allowing the Bosnians to defend themselves.
	And I just don't know how Warren Christopher and Company can sleep at night.
	Yeltsin.
	Very interesting story on Yeltsin, I think.
	You remember the hard problems last week?
	The first reports that it was serious?
	Well, yesterday, Moscow released a photograph of Yeltsin, purportedly to show him in rosy-cheeked health.
	Well, NBC tore the photograph apart and determined it was one taken of Yeltsin last April.
	Now, what does that mean?
	It means they're lying.
	Then later in the day, Moscow released a second photograph, the same photograph, this time though, in color.
	Again, exactly the same photograph taken in April.
	So they're lying.
	It's a ruse.
	It means Yeltsin is probably... You know what my guess is?
	That we will soon hear that Yeltsin is suddenly dead of some kind of massive heart attack.
	Or maybe they'll just never tell us that he died at all.
	Who knows?
	The number of dead in Chicago is unbelievable.
	190 so far.
	A hundred and ninety so far. The coroner there thinks it'll go to three hundred before it's all over.
	From the heat.
	300 dead from the heat.
	Now, since when does that occur in a single American city?
	Ever.
	Somebody called a little while ago and suggested that it's because of modern technology.
	Because we've got air conditioning, we've got this, we've got that, we live inside, our bodies are not rough and tough anymore.
	And so if the power goes off and we get hot, we die.
	And the older people, of course, die first.
	And I guess that is true.
	The mayor of Chicago wants it declared a disaster area.
	Newsweek Magazine reporting that you're not going to believe this.
	There are now gangs in the U.S.
	military.
	The Crips, the Bloods, And the Chicago folk gangsters are all now active in all four branches of the U.S.
	armed services and at more than 50 military bases around the U.S.
	It is said most gang crimes like drug trafficking, robbery, assault, at least 10 cases of homicide have taken place off base and off duty, but it adds, now get this, enlisted army men have been photographed flashing gang signs During the middle of the Gulf War, it also said some gangs are now staking out turf on aircraft carriers at sea.
	Can you imagine that?
	Staking out turf on aircraft carriers.
	The Waco hearings will begin Wednesday.
	The Whitewater hearings will begin today.
	It is going to be a very, very tough week for the administration.
	Whitewater hearings are going to include an inquiry into the Vince Foster case.
	There is still something there.
	I have always had the belief that Vince Foster did commit suicide.
	But I think that body was moved.
	Maybe, maybe, we'll find out.
	And, of course, the Waco hearings beginning Wednesday.
	Schumer and company all believe the Waco hearings are going to be used to discredit the government, to destroy what efforts at gun control have been made so far, and you know, the only reason I can figure that they're worried that this will hurt the case for gun control is if the government is shown to have been wrong and just slaughtered those people.
	Otherwise, uh... you would think that uh... if they were all on the right it would help the case for gun control but no they're saying ahead of time they're worried it's going to hurt the case now why would they be worried if the truth was on their side jesse james they're digging and digging and there's no jesse james thus far in the grave in their way down there so they're going to keep digging but presumably if they don't come up with jesse pretty soon
	Then they're going to conclude it was an empty grave, and it means, I guess, Jesse James fooled everybody and lived out his life well someplace.
	Who knows?
	I guess tomorrow we'll know.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Yes, hi Art.
	This is Rick from San Francisco.
	Hi Rick.
	I wanted to comment on three things real quickly.
	I agree with that gentleman that I think technology and your body has a lot to do with the way you feel.
	Sure.
	I was born and raised in Las Vegas.
	I've been up here for two years now and I'm complaining when it's 80 in San Francisco.
	I'm like, what is this?
	It's the heat wave.
	Yeah, I know.
	And then people are like, well, I thought you grew up in Las Vegas.
	It's like, you know what?
	You're right, but it feels hotter.
	I mean, it just feels hot to me.
	Well, remember that in San Francisco you've got a lot of humidity that Las Vegas does not have.
	Yeah, but not as bad.
	Number two, being that I have been up here for two years, correct me if I'm wrong, but there have been no earthquakes.
	I have not felt an earthquake since I've been up here and I really, and I've talked to some other people who have been here longer, it's been dead up here.
	There's absolutely nothing going on up here.
	My view would be That's bad.
	That's bad?
	Yeah.
	Great, I moved up here at a great time.
	Well, it depends on your point of view.
	Most people hold the view, a lot of geologists, that small earthquakes relieve pressure.
	And that when you have a long period of time that goes by, the pressure builds.
	In other words, between shifting tectonic plates.
	And so that a long period of inactivity Uh, is bad news.
	Right.
	And I know you're very knowledgeable on earthquakes and stuff.
	Is it true that the Hayward Fault is the one that we have to worry about up here as opposed to the San Andreas?
	Because the Hayward Fault apparently runs through major metropolitan areas.
	Are you familiar with that at all?
	Yes, I am.
	And yes, that is true.
	Okay.
	And my third question is, I have started a lot of people listening to you.
	And most of them, like myself, are gay.
	And it's funny that when they listen to you, and they listen to your callers, it's remarkable how they say, you know what, this is the first time I have ever heard this in my entire life.
	Well, yeah, we've seen it on TV.
	Heard what?
	Well, just people severely against gay people.
	Not necessarily you, but just callers' comments and stuff.
	You know, I talked to him, I said, well, surely you've run into some opposition, you know.
	Again, sir, alright, thank you.
	Again, you're in San Francisco, and your perception is being affected by where you are.
	You are in an area where, per capita, there are more gay people, arguably, I suppose, than almost anywhere else in the U.S.
	So, everywhere is not like San Francisco.
	Uh, just as earlier in your life, everywhere is not like Las Vegas.
	Um, every place is in its own way quite distinct, and when you moved from Las Vegas to San Francisco, you made a big cultural shift, and there is a big cultural shift.
	Wildcard line, you're on the air, hi.
	Hello?
	Going, going, gone.
	Uh, wildcard line number two, you're on the air, hi.
	Yes, hi.
	My name's Wendy and I'm from Oregon, California.
	Wendy, you're going to have to speak up.
	You're not the hamburger girl, are you?
	Oh, no, I'm not.
	Okay, well that's alright.
	No, I was, um, calling because, um, actually I had comments about the weather because, um, this year has been the weirdest weather for our area.
	I know.
	And, um, what's really weird, I'm just wondering if everybody out there, I'm not a paranoid person or anything like that, but Does everybody feel like that something is maybe going to happen?
	Yes.
	Wendy, yes.
	The answer is yes.
	We've discussed this on the show many times.
	Something's up.
	Mama Earth.
	Mama Nature.
	God.
	Whoever you want to talk about is getting ready to do something.
	Would you think more people would be worried about it?
	We complain about, you know, the rainforest and everything, but then there's, you know, other people in the states here that complain about, oh, we can't, you know, we have to, you know, we can't save the environment, we have to cut down these trees, or we have to do this, we have to do that.
	But then we turn around and we complain because, oh no, they're going over there, they're cutting down the rainforest, we're not going to have any air, you know.
	There's just different things like that.
	That sometimes I kind of wonder... There was a guy, there was a guy, Wendy, last week who called me up and said, Mother Earth is like a living organism, and one of these days soon she is going to shed us as a dog would fleas.
	That makes a lot of sense to me.
	Does it?
	Yeah, it's kind of a scary way to think, but yeah, you know, we're kind of the biggest parasite here.
	I believe as far as, you know, there's a lot of us that just don't care.
	Well there's some, to me Wendy, thank you, there's a middle ground between the general biblical view that the earth and its resources are here to be used and were put here to be used by man and therefore we should use them, not worry about it.
	And the environmentalists and tree huggers who are worried about I am, to some degree, an environmentalist.
	I mean, nobody in their right mind wants dirty air.
	They don't want to have to breathe dirty air, and there's a lot of dirty air around.
	You don't want your water polluted, right?
	No, of course you don't.
	You don't want a lot of things fouled in the environment in which you live.
	That only makes common sense.
	That doesn't mean that you protect every last ant that walks down the pavement.
	But it does mean that you're aware of your environment and try to do things to maintain it as best you can.
	Is that middle ground?
	I guess so.
	Is that where I am?
	It certainly is.
	Does that make me a moderate?
	Probably.
	Is that a terrible place to be?
	According to some, it is.
	I'll be right back.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi, Art.
	Hello.
	Art?
	That's me.
	I'm calling from Palm Springs.
	OK.
	I have always felt that our most favored nation trade agreement with China is financing their army and the progress of the building you referred to when you were over there.
	Well, it is.
	And a long time ago, a wise, wise person said to me that we only have one thing to fear, and that's the Yellow Army.
	Yeah.
	Well, I'd like to hear what your listeners have to say about that.
	All right.
	All right, listeners.
	Thank you.
	Do you fear the Yellow Army?
	The great masses from the East.
	Um...
	I do not.
	The nature of warfare now is not such that you would talk, particularly when you're talking of China, of great masses uh... coming forth across the pacific or in through any other land mass movement uh... toward us now i don't fear that communist china and i was there and i can tell you is still communist another words despite the economic incredible economic activity in communist china they are still communist
	They're still communists.
	They're not nice communists.
	They're not reformed communists.
	They're communists who want money, but they're communists.
	And we better not forget it.
	That's what I would say.
	You could feel the chill when you went across the border.
	I mean, there was no question about it.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Yes, sir.
	This is Wayne.
	Hi, Wayne.
	Where are you?
	San Diego, Cocoa.
	Yes, sir.
	Really enjoy your show.
	Thank you.
	I'm hooked on it.
	I've been listening every night for about three months now.
	A couple of things.
	One thing, you mentioned about gangs.
	In the military.
	In the military.
	That is the oddest thing.
	I just don't see how that can happen.
	I frankly don't either.
	It's unimaginable to me.
	I mean, I was in the military.
	I went through basic training.
	I can't imagine a gang member could make it through.
	I wonder about you because I think it would probably be great to be you.
	I kind of imagined you in your studio or whatever.
	You were there by yourself and I was wondering if you could describe the area, your surroundings there in your studio.
	Well, I do the show from a hammock.
	And I have two Tahitian girls who wave palms and keep me cool and comfortable and bring me fruity cocktail drinks as I do the program.
	Oh, well.
	There's one other thing I wanted to comment on.
	Have you seen Die Hard 3?
	No, not yet.
	I'm looking forward to it, though.
	Well, I saw the first two and I thought they were great.
	Uh oh, you were disappointed.
	Well, I didn't get a very, you know how you see a really good movie and at the end of it you have a good feeling and then you see a movie that's not so good and sometimes you might even have kind of a bad feeling.
	I got that kind of a feeling after this one because of, well you know the black guy that's on there.
	He's portrayed as a racist against white people, or white people messed up black people.
	Well now, don't tell us the whole plot.
	I won't tell you the whole plot.
	Well, anyhow, I just didn't think it was right the way he... Alright, alright, alright.
	Let's hold it there.
	Did people die harder in the movie?
	Not really.
	Oh, okay.
	Usually, you've got to have more violence.
	Each new episode has got to be wilder than the last to work.
	We'll be back.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 17, 1995.
	Welcome to the Coast to Coast AM Concert.
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	Tonight's program originally aired July 17th, 1995.
	Well, this is a kick in the pants.
	I just talked to Ray Santilli in London during this last break.
	In an hour, about 2.30 Pacific Time, we're gonna interview Ray Santilli.
	Get ready.
	Who, who you say is Ray Santilli?
	Well, he is the guy who's got the Roswell film That is causing so much stir, and well, it should.
	Uh, so... That's what I mean when I say what we do here on the air is unpredictable, uh, spontaneous, and, uh, I just do it when I can do it.
	And I talked to Ray, I said, he said, well, I got a little interview to do here now.
	I said, well, how about in an hour?
	He said, okay, let's do it.
	So, in an hour, I'm gonna call Ray Santilli, if we can get through.
	And we're gonna talk to him about the Roswell, uh, film.
	And maybe break through some of the rumor and myth and find out exactly what this guy has.
	God, I'm looking forward to that.
	So, uh, that's about an hour from now, and that's the way things frequently occur on this program.
	Back to the phone lines for now.
	Any subject is fair game.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes, I are.
	This is Christopher from Dawson Creek calling again.
	Dawson Creek, way up in the middle of almost even more of nowhere than I'm in.
	Yeah.
	Here, I'll just turn my radio down.
	Thank you.
	Just a sec.
	Boy, we come in very well in Dawson Creek.
	Hi.
	What station do you listen to in Dawson Creek?
	I listen to KOMO out of Seattle.
	Wow.
	Boy.
	Yeah.
	I heard it for a second there.
	They put a good signal up into Dawson Creek.
	Oh, yes.
	Do they ever?
	Tell everybody where Dawson Creek is.
	Okay, it's about 700 miles north of Vancouver.
	All right, way up there.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, what's on your mind?
	Okay, about a week ago when I called you, you were asking about how the roads up here don't heave.
	Um, in the winter time.
	Well, we were talking about the fact that the Alcan Highway, what used to be called the Alcan, do they still call it the Alcan?
	Um, no, they call it the Alaska Highway.
	Hmm.
	Yeah.
	Uh, anyway, uh, yeah, if they paved it, when you get down to 70 below zero or so, you would think it would just heave right up.
	Yeah, well, anyways, I was talking to my dad, who works for the Ministry of Highways.
	The Ministry of Highways.
	Yeah.
	And, um, he was saying what they do is they put gravel underneath the pavement Um, he was saying they put about two, three feet of gravel under the pavement.
	Right.
	And he was saying they have, um, pilings as well.
	And that way it stabilizes the ground, and that way the permafrost doesn't affect the pavement.
	Hmm.
	Yeah, but I never knew that until I asked my dad.
	Well, now we know.
	I wonder what the Ministry of Highways would do with a beached whale.
	With a beached whale?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	See, the Ministry of Highways down in Oregon blew one up.
	Are you really?
	Yeah, they blew it into a million pieces, and some of them were, one piece was so big it came down and crushed a car.
	Wow.
	Yeah, that's what I said.
	And I didn't believe it.
	And somebody sent me a videotape.
	I've got a videotape of this whale blowing up.
	It's the damnedest thing you ever saw.
	Wow.
	All right, well, listen.
	Thank you very much for the call, the Ministry of Highways.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Art.
	Hello.
	For the fellow that moved to San Francisco and is disappointed he hasn't felt any earthquakes, he may be like I am.
	I don't usually feel them if they're under a magnitude 3, but if you check his Friday newspaper, there's a little feature in there called GeoWatch.
	It's by the USGS, and it shows everything above 1.0.
	There you are.
	On the average, about 20 earth movements a week.
	Well, maybe he needs to sit in his chair very, very quietly, just waiting for the slightest little shake.
	Well, I got kind of sneaky.
	I was disappointed about not feeling any here in Las Vegas, so I hung some pendulums up.
	Yes, I know.
	I can tell by the movement of the pendulums, but otherwise I wouldn't even notice them.
	Okay, thank you.
	Yeah, that man made an earthquake detector, which you can do.
	Electrically.
	In other words, you just hang something from the ceiling with some weight to it, and put a circle around it, and make it a conductive circuit so that when it moves and touches the ring, it sets off an alarm.
	So you can make yourself a cute little earthquake detector that way, if you really want to know.
	Now, I'm not sure how that would react for a pure upward thrust, but for most earthquakes, I think it would register.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Radio Free America.
	Yes, indeed.
	Well, I couldn't believe it.
	Rush, today on the show, mentioned Waco.
	What choice does he have?
	You know, there's people that want to keep this thing covered up, and then there's people that don't want to tell what really happened down there.
	And Brian Ross, who has lied about Waco in the past, is now They're doing a piece on one of their shows on ABC.
	It was just really blowing the whole story backwards, but they're going to be doing a piece on the CS gas and how it's illegal and why they used it down there.
	So we're making strides, but the hearings are not going to be live art.
	According to my sources, they're going to be tape-delayed on C-SPAN where they can edit in and out what they want to and the questions and so on.
	And it's pretty much, so far that I know of, it's stacked in the government's favor right now.
	So we need to call our congressman and c-span.
	But I wanted to talk about, if you've got the time, about Buchanan and on Meet the Repressed.
	I thought he did pretty good, you know, against Specter, who should be joining the Democratic Party.
	What did you think?
	I didn't always agree with Buchanan.
	I had a funny reaction to it.
	I agreed some of the time with Spector, but I don't much like Spector for some reason.
	He looks like a sour prune.
	I don't know who he reminds me of, but somebody I don't like.
	There's something about Spector that I don't like.
	But I agreed with him somewhat.
	I'm not as much of an isolationist as Pat Buchanan, and we differ in a few of those areas.
	I don't necessarily think that we need constitutional amendments for everything we disagree with.
	Right, I agree with that too.
	And so that's where I found myself in agreement with Specter, but oddly, not much liking Specter.
	So, there you are.
	What do you think about Schumer?
	Not well.
	It's not even worth asking.
	I'll talk to you later.
	Alright, see you later.
	Again, my comment is, why are these people in fear of the Waco hearings?
	Why do they think that it will set back gun control?
	The only way that could be is if it turns out that Waco was a gigantic misstep, a big blunder, or even a criminal act on the part of the government.
	If it comes out that way, then yeah, you're damn right it's going to hurt gun control.
	So, to me, their fear just says that they somehow know what's coming.
	You know what I mean?
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi, Eric.
	Hello.
	I wanted to tell you this is KCMO Kansas City, Missouri, Clay County.
	Yes, ma'am.
	Kearny, Missouri is also in Clay County, and they did find bones down there today.
	They did?
	And they're going to start digging again at 8 o'clock this morning.
	Now, see, the evening news said they had not found one bone.
	Well, they showed it on our news here locally, and they showed two casket handles.
	And the casket was evidently wood and it fell in on itself.
	Oh.
	And they're going to have to take the bones out piece by piece.
	Oh.
	They thought they were going to have to raise up the casket.
	They were going to put a couple blooms down there, but there wasn't anything to raise up.
	I wonder if they're going to be able to make a determination that Jesse was shot in the back or something.
	Well, I don't know really.
	They said that there might, as many times as he was shot, that they might be able to find on the bones where he'd been shot.
	Either that or it'll turn out to be Jimmy Hoffa.
	But anyway, I just wanted to tell you what was the latest.
	They're going to start bringing the bones out again at 8 o'clock this morning.
	We had media from all over the world up there, even selling t-shirts.
	Really?
	Why are we doing this?
	Well, they just wanted to put it to rest once and for all whether or not it was really him.
	One of our local newsmen, erroneously called him Jesse Jackson today.
	So I feel the same about Warren Christopher as you do.
	Really?
	There's something about that guy.
	He's just nothing but a mouthpiece, a tool.
	It's like he has no original thought.
	What he says about Bosnia makes me sick.
	Our policy about Bosnia makes me sick.
	I suppose you could say he's saying what he should say.
	It's what the president feels, but it's disgusting.
	Looks like Charlie Chan to me.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you so much.
	Clay County, Missouri, huh?
	Yes, that's currently northeast of here.
	I live in Kansas City North, which is on the north side of the river.
	Somehow, I would have been happier had they not found a thing.
	Well, they had a lead shield.
	It was down about four feet.
	They had to get that out, and then they went on down six feet, where they found this casket, and they did show the two handles, but the rest of it had fallen in on top of itself.
	Well, they need Hirondo Rivera there to open it all up.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	Remember that, when Hirondo opened up that, whatever it was, secret something or another, and there was a whole bunch of absolutely nothing in there?
	Well, as to the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Oh my goodness, I got through.
	Let me get my radio here.
	Yes, you did.
	Turn it off and tell us where you are.
	Oh, this is Phil.
	I'm in Reno.
	Okay.
	I had a suggestion for you regarding your 8x10 photo problem you had back in Vegas.
	Yeah, that was a problem, alright.
	Well, a lot of people love to have a photograph of you.
	You know, me being included in that list.
	I don't have access to a computer that could get the photo and all that.
	But I had a thought about it.
	You can get 8x10 copies of a negative, a 35mm negative, relatively cheap, especially at Walmart or something like that.
	And if you charged $5 or so a photograph... I'm not going to do that.
	Let me finish though.
	I think you'll like it.
	It'll cover, most likely, postage, the envelope, and what have you.
	You can put on there, thank you, our bell.
	And whatever is above the cost of mailing them out, you can give to the Pahrump Valley Animal Shelter.
	You see what I'm saying?
	You're still setting me up for a terrible ordeal.
	Well, I really did.
	I went through a terrible ordeal, and at the time I was working for only KDWN in Las Vegas.
	Right.
	So, thousands come in, right?
	I go to the radio station and I say, uh, help.
	And they say, why?
	You opened your big mouth, and they were right, I did.
	So you're on your own, buddy, and I was, and I was lickin' and a-lickin' and a-lickin' and kickin' myself in the pants the whole time, so I don't do it anymore.
	And I, you know, I wouldn't charge $5.
	Then you know what I'd get?
	I get a bunch of messages saying, boy, are you ugly, the biggest waste of five dollars I ever made.
	Do I need that kind of heartache?
	Well, no, but I guess there was a thought it would raise a heck of a lot of money for your animal shelter.
	Well, you know, that's tempting, but... I did mail a check, by the way.
	Oh, thank you.
	Also, incidentally, I should let everybody know now, it's out, I didn't really want to make a big deal out of it, but it's well over $5,000 now, and they're going to build a whole You know, building animal containment area dedicated to all of you and those and Ghost and the whole thing.
	Well, excellent!
	Yeah, it is.
	I'm glad to hear that.
	You made my evening.
	So, you know, we'll end up helping a lot of animals out of this, sir.
	Thank you.
	Thank you and everybody else.
	I did have one more comment at this time.
	Sure.
	You were talking earlier about technology making us weaker and being more susceptible, such as in Chicago and whatnot.
	Yes.
	Are you familiar with James Burke?
	Oh, that's a familiar name.
	He did a show back in 78 called Connection.
	Vaguely familiar.
	It's a scientific program.
	You know, it's a little dry, but it's awfully good, and it talks about America's, well, the world's interdependency on technology and using it how they don't understand it, but use it anyway, as though they do.
	Right.
	It's a ten-part series, and it's on the Learning Channel, and I highly recommend it.
	All right.
	I appreciate that.
	Well, thank you for letting me talk, sir.
	Well, thanks for talking.
	Yeah, we are dependent.
	And I think we're used to a narrow range of temperatures that we're able to keep because we have heaters and we have air conditioners.
	And for the most part, we live in this narrow range.
	And so our bodies become used to it.
	And I guess with the power failure and the heat and the fact that people are living longer in these controlled environments, you get a disaster like Chicago.
	Either that or it's something else.
	That's a lot of dead people in heat.
	They're projecting, uh, the coroner in Chicago is projecting up to 300 people dead because of the heat.
	I may be interviewing Ray Santilli at the bottom of the next hour.
	Ray Santilli is the man with the Roswell photographs.
	This is kind of a surprise thing, even though I knew it was coming.
	I didn't really expect we'd get an opportunity to do it this morning, but we are going to do it.
	And, uh, it should be very revealing, and maybe we can go toward separating myth from reality.
	He'd be the man who knows.
	He's the guy with the film.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi, Eric.
	This is Ken in Kansas City.
	Hi, Ken.
	Listenin' to KCMO.
	You betcha.
	I wanted to comment on arming Bosnia.
	I really think that's the thing to do.
	Get the UN out, let them fight their own fight.
	And I'm hoping that Clinton, I mean, he's been against it so long, he can't back out now.
	So maybe he'll, just to save face, let it go through, not veto it, you know, and just let it happen.
	Well, maybe, but every time it's mentioned, he brings up the word veto.
	Yeah.
	So, maybe he'll do that, but the indications are that he's going to veto it, and on the other hand, he's a very shrewd politician, and he can count.
	So can his chief of staff, and if they determine that it is veto-proof numbers, maybe he will sign it.
	Well, It's, I think it's the best way out for him, you know, because that way he can say, well, you know, everybody's against me and I might as well just do this because I'll at least win anyway.
	Yeah, but there's one little snag in the whole thing.
	To arm the Bosnians, we've got to first get the UN out.
	To get the UN out is going to require 25,000 U.S.
	troops.
	Yeah.
	And a few months.
	Yeah.
	And, no doubt, a lot of casualties.
	And it may happen too late for him anyway.
	Exactly.
	So I don't know.
	I don't know.
	And on this night terror thing?
	Yes.
	My wife goes through the same thing.
	She does?
	She does.
	I mean sometimes it's worms coming up out of the bed and sometimes she sees what she described as the devil walking into the bedroom.
	It's always half real and half dreamlike.
	It's creepy.
	I've always, like you, I like to live by hunches.
	When we were on our honeymoon, she had a dream that her dead grandfather came to us and said, don't go to this one place tomorrow.
	We didn't go.
	You didn't go?
	No way.
	Did anything happen at the place?
	No.
	So then you'll never know whether it was because you didn't go or... Well, it was a 45 minute drive, you know.
	And it's not a good drive.
	It was a bad road anyway.
	My advice would be to listen.
	Oh, absolutely.
	I listen to my hunches and it's worked for me.
	Absolutely.
	She's always had dreams like this.
	And I listen.
	I listen to him more than she does.
	Last place you want the devil is in your bedroom.
	That's for sure.
	All right.
	Thanks a million.
	Thank you.
	Take care.
	I used to think he was in the closet.
	I mean, everybody... I hate to admit this, but my wife would tell you it is true.
	I still, to this day, do not go to sleep with closets open.
	I know it seems silly, but everybody knows there's something in the closet, right?
	Because it's very dark in there.
	And you can't see into all the areas.
	And so if there's anything in there, that's where it's going to be, in the closet.
	It's obvious.
	So I always close the closet.
	My wife thinks it's very humorous.
	And maybe it's just an old habit, you know, but I do that.
	I close closet doors.
	I mean, who wants to go to sleep with a monster in the closet?
	It's obvious.
	Maybe it's just the... East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Closed closet doors.
	I mean, who wants... You're not somebody playing me back to me.
	You don't need it.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	DW again from a very foggy ocean this time.
	Foggy ocean, huh?
	Yeah, we're headed northbound and it's not very good visibility.
	Say, I called.
	I wanted to thank you for some of your sponsors.
	Well, well, thank you.
	I've got a fairly new 818 that I'm real, real fond of.
	Oh, that's a hot radio.
	Yeah, I listened to you guys the other night there.
	O.B.P.
	was on there.
	Ha, ha, ha, when I was on Ham Radio.
	Yeah.
	How did I come in out there?
	Oh, you came in pretty good.
	I was kind of close to your neck of the woods.
	I was down around San Francisco Bay, so it wasn't far up over the hill.
	I must have been blasting in then.
	Yeah, and also the final filter.
	I've got a set of three-year-old twins, one of them Doesn't breathe real well.
	Yes, sir.
	Within probably four or five days, it made a real noticeable difference in my house.
	That's right.
	And I'm a three-time user of absolutely fresh flowers.
	I haven't seen any of them yet, but I hear they've worked out real well.
	Oh, yes.
	That's generally what you do.
	Yeah.
	Well, you're a faithful, good listener.
	Yeah, and one other thing.
	I agree very much that we should arm the Bosnians.
	All right, sir.
	Look, on that note, and so do I. We're in agreement.
	I've got to go.
	I have no choice.
	The clock is the clock is the clock.
	we'll be right back nineteen ninety-five
	the the
	I've been for a while On a winter's day
	the the
	And if I didn't tell her I could leave today
	the the And the sky is gray
	To California dreaming I'm such a...
	I'm such a...
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 17th, 1995.
	Good morning, everybody.
	Here in the middle of the night, we're going to do something a little odd in about 25 or 30 minutes.
	We're going to call England, London, and talk to Ray Santilli, who is the possessor of the Roswell footage.
	uh... of which now there is much mythology much uh... confusion and uh... alarm and all kinds of uh... emotions surround this film and the stills that have come from it and so we're trying we're gonna try to get to the bottom of some of it by talking to the man himself i love doing that it's kind of spontaneous i knew that i would be doing it but i have no idea this morning and i talked to centrally about 35 minutes ago in London, and he said, sure.
	Let's do it in about an hour.
	So, we'll try.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Yeah, good morning.
	Art calling from Dallas.
	Dallas, Texas, and KGBS.
	Right.
	1190.
	Yes, sir.
	A couple of things.
	First of all, I watch Meets the Press on Sunday, and as I was watching Arlen Specter, I was thinking to myself, this is a guy Art Bell would really like.
	Conservative economically, And tolerant on social issues, which I've heard you say many times.
	Yes, but you're absolutely right.
	I mean, you heard me with an earlier caller, I'm sure, say that actually I found myself in agreement with Mr. Specter, Senator Specter.
	Save his views on his pro-abortion views.
	Save that.
	But there's something about Arlen Specter that I don't particularly like.
	I don't know what it is.
	Well, that's vague.
	I mean... It is vague.
	No, you're right.
	It can't be the way he looks.
	That would be absurd.
	You know, it has to be.
	You know, I hope you can pinpoint that.
	I know it's not the way he looks, because that doesn't sound like something you would take into consideration.
	Maybe it's his delivery.
	He was very matter-of-fact, very confident, it seemed to me.
	Not cocky, but very confident.
	I was rather impressed with him, myself.
	Well, I don't change what I said.
	His words were okay, but I'm sorry.
	I wish I could put my thumb on it for you.
	The other thing, because you're going to have this gentleman on at the bottom of the hour.
	I was listening to a program, in fact, on your affiliate here in Dallas.
	They had a scientist named Richard Berenson.
	I don't know if you've heard of him.
	He's very noted.
	He's an astronomer.
	A very noted one, as a matter of fact.
	And someone called in about the Roswell issue.
	Yes.
	Because that had been brought up.
	And they stated, very emphatically, they were on a recovery team in Roswell.
	And you ought to bring this up to your guests coming up.
	And they said that it was a crash of a B-29.
	And that the bodies after the crash were mutilated.
	And that would take into account the possibility people might confuse them with aliens.
	I'm not ruling that out.
	Wait a minute now.
	Hold it.
	If it was a B-29, then why would the Air Force say, then and now, that it was a balloon?
	Well, the balloon story changed a few months ago.
	Yeah, to a new balloon.
	They called it a balloon train.
	Okay, well, I just wish you'd bring that up, because he did say, this caller, he said it to Richard Berenson, he said that he was on the recovery team, it was nothing more than the crash of a B-29.
	Well, that flies in the face of all Other testimony.
	Might be.
	And anyway, as we go along with the campaign coming up, try to figure out what it is about Specter you don't like.
	I will.
	I was really impressed with him, I'm telling you.
	Alright, thank you.
	I thought that on some points he'd beat Buchanan.
	Because Buchanan had to sit there and basically back the idea of a constitutional amendment for everything that he opposed.
	I don't agree with that.
	I don't think that we need a constitutional amendment to prevent flag burning.
	I used to think that, but the more I thought about it, the more I thought we don't need it.
	Because A, there are not many flags burned, and B, people tend to take care of their own, you know, and when you see somebody burning a flag, you're probably going to punch them in the nose.
	So it doesn't happen a lot.
	Um, prayer in school.
	I don't think there should be a constitutional amendment that would mandate prayer in school.
	I don't think there ought to be mandated prayer in school.
	I think a moment of silence is fine.
	And I think the President, for all the wrong reasons, political, basically did have it correct the other day when he said, look, the U.S.
	Supreme Court has not said there may be no religion in school.
	It's gone too far.
	I mean, actually, the president was right about that.
	It was utterly political on his part, but he was right.
	So I don't think we need a constitutional amendment for that.
	And so forth and so on.
	So, it is strange.
	I agreed with Specter more than I did Buchanan.
	But I'm not comfortable with Specter, and I'm sorry I can't tell you why.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	No, I guess you're not.
	First-time caller line, we'll put you on.
	You're on the air.
	Hi.
	Yes.
	Hello.
	Oh, hello.
	Hello.
	Well, who is this?
	Well, who are you calling?
	Well, I'm calling Art Beck.
	Well, doggone, that's who you got.
	Oh, is it?
	Yes.
	I hate to open up old wounds.
	It's alright.
	But I missed how you caught Ghost and what happened to him.
	Oh, yeah, that's an old wound, alright.
	Maybe not such an old wound.
	All right, if you'll listen on the air, I'd be glad to tell you very briefly.
	There's a very sad story.
	I had a cat under my house all of a sudden.
	Now, you know, I don't know where the cat came from.
	I have no idea.
	It sounded like all I heard for two weeks was just, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, Stupid trap, you know.
	I had a U.S.
	Government Postal Service box, and I put a little stick there, and I attached a wire to it, and I waited by that window for hours and hours.
	And finally, a ghost came out of the house, got into my trap.
	Boom!
	I pulled it.
	And, you know, this poor little guy living under the house, what an abysmal life it must have been.
	And, uh, he got his tail, uh, caught in a back trap, backed out, ran under the house, and after that wouldn't even meow at me for a while.
	Uh, the story progresses.
	We got a trap from, uh, Los Angeles.
	A wonderful lady in Los Angeles sent a trap to me.
	Called a humble heart trap, and they really are very nice.
	And finally, uh, without going through all the details, poor little ghost was trapped.
	And I was so happy, and I was gonna give ghost a home and brought ghost in actually brought ghost into the studio and let you all hear ghost was a she by the way she was a ghost and uh... next day took her to the vet and we were going to get the full range of shots and I do that for my pets and uh... it was really a heartbreaker ghost had feline leukemia
	And, uh, a fairly advanced stage at that.
	Plus, some total inhuman human being, um, apparently threw Ghost out of the car.
	She had a bad hip injury.
	And that was from being thrown out of a moving car.
	So some total jerk drove by here and threw this poor little cat out of a moving car.
	It was injured, ran under my house.
	And that's where it was all that time.
	And so a short, terribly sad life.
	And the good thing, the only good thing that's come out of all this in ghost memory now, is that after... I was so heartbroken about all of that.
	You have no idea.
	You have no idea.
	And so that same day, When Ghost had to be put to sleep, I went down to the animal shelter, you know, our local animal shelter here.
	And I must have looked at a hundred cats.
	That animal shelter is really full.
	And I picked out a beautiful, beautiful little cat that we call Shadow.
	My wife named our new cat Shadow.
	Shadow of Ghost, if you will.
	And I gave out the address to our local animal shelter and said, well, send a donation.
	You know, if you've got a couple bucks to rope together, send a donation to our local animal shelter.
	And I said, don't mention my name.
	Just do it.
	And it turns out they're well over $5,000.
	And that money, I want to tell you.
	So if anything came out of Ghost's short, sad life, it was these wonderful donations that you sent.
	It will build additional facilities, which will be dedicated to ghosts, I'm told.
	And we'll be able to house many, many more animals.
	And we're, I don't know, if not, we're certainly the largest county in Nevada, and second and third largest or something in the whole country.
	It's a big county.
	So they've got a lot of responsibility.
	And a lot of animals and they're really overloaded and it really means a lot and I guess I don't have to tell you what it means when they can house an animal instead of, as opposed to the alternative.
	So the donations that you all sent really are going to an extremely good cause and again I want to say thank you.
	That is the story.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes.
	Hello, Art Bell.
	Hi.
	I have a couple tidbits here.
	I'll make them as quick as possible, but let me just say, as regards personages, that you feel, quote, something doesn't feel quite right about them.
	It has nothing to do with physical characteristics.
	If a person is sensitive to it, when people, when you see their presence, either in person or on television, they send out a vibration.
	And if you are sensitive to that, that's what you are feeling.
	Now, as to the tidbits, it's past Sunday.
	Just before you continue, Even though I was not much in agreement with Pat Buchanan this last weekend, I like him a whole lot more.
	Pat Buchanan comes across as a sincere person who believes in what he's saying and not afraid to say what he says.
	That I'm in disagreement with it, that aside, I'm comfortable with Pat Buchanan.
	That's good.
	If you feel comfortable with people, that's part of the sign.
	This past Sunday, I will not mention any names, but there's a very well-known number I'm not sure yet what policy the Clintons will adopt.
	Now, I happened to have taped that show, so I know I wasn't in the twilight zone, and he is too well-versed.
	and this fellow, who's very famous, said, I'm not sure yet what policy the Clintons will adopt.
	Now, I happened to have taped that show, so I know I wasn't in the twilight zone.
	And he is too well-versed.
	He's been around for quite a few years.
	He would have said the Clinton administration.
	He said the Clintons, as in two presidents, and I thought it was very interesting.
	No, no.
	Maybe we should listen to that again.
	The final thing is this.
	You talk often about the quickening.
	Yes.
	If you can handle a quickening with a capital Q, I'm going to make a possible quick thing that may happen much faster than people realize, and it will not emanate from Mother Nature.
	I'm talking about within the next nine days, because after all, we can't have our minds chained on whitewater And Waco here needs to be thinking about all that dreary stuff, so surely something else will have to supersede it if you get my drift.
	Well, I do, and if I had to guess, it would be an emergency operation.
	First with jet aircraft over Bosnia, identifying and taking out anti-aircraft positions.
	Followed by the Chinooks and Blackhawks and Apaches and a lot of European troops and a lot of military occurrences in Bosnia.
	Could that occur concurrent with the hearings?
	Yes, it could, if they pushed it.
	It seems a lot to get going, but certainly it could.
	Is it likely to occur?
	Yes.
	Is it a diversion?
	Well, Yeah, you could view it that way.
	Is it time to be a diversion if it occurs this week?
	Then possibly.
	I don't know.
	These accusations and allegations about diversion are made all the time.
	And who am I to say that some of them are not so... Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hey, how are you doing tonight?
	Just fine.
	Good old Nomad from Beaverton, Oregon.
	Nomad from Beaverton.
	How you doing?
	All right.
	By the way, I hate that phone company.
	I thought I should tell you that.
	Well, you should hate the phone company.
	You know, I got cut off.
	I got cut off twice.
	And I remember about a couple of weeks ago, you hit the button.
	You said the wild card line and it cut me right off.
	I was really mad.
	Well, you know, I just don't know what to tell you about that.
	I've made my best shot with the phone company.
	They won't change it.
	My name's Bell.
	It doesn't matter.
	They don't care.
	So, what can I tell you, sir?
	Well, I have something for the listeners out there, or even for you.
	This is really confusing, because I don't even know what it is.
	My five-year-old brother suffers from this really weird thing.
	He'll get up at night sometimes.
	Yep.
	And it's kind of like sleepwalking.
	My sister sleepwalked.
	But the thing with him is he runs around screaming.
	Oh.
	But he doesn't know who we are though.
	He'll look at us right in the face and he'll say, where's my mom?
	My mom will be holding him and he'll be just looking right at her face and he'll be like, where's my mom?
	I want my mom.
	And it's really freaky.
	You familiar with the word Possession.
	Uh-oh.
	I'm not saying that, Sid.
	I have no idea.
	Yeah, I have no idea either.
	Yeah, we did take him to a couple of doctors and they said, we don't know, he might grow out of it.
	Yeah, right, that's what they say when they have no idea what it is.
	Yeah, that's exactly what they said.
	He might grow out of it.
	Well, he might.
	He might, yeah.
	Or, it might take over completely.
	I don't want to see that day, actually.
	I do understand.
	Thank you very much.
	Boy, that's weird.
	My sister was a sleepwalker, and it is eerie.
	I mean, she would get up in the middle of the night and just wander off.
	Or wander around the house like a ghost in the night.
	Maybe go into a closet and just stand there.
	It's really weird.
	Really freaky, and what he just described is also very weird.
	Time to get the priest.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Turn down the radio.
	Hi, Art, we have a good question for your guest.
	Yes.
	Have you heard the theory that, at least one explanation for those photographs, that there is a disease, what is it called?
	What's the name of the disease?
	Pateau syndrome?
	Have you heard that?
	P-A-T-A-U.
	Vaguely, which does what?
	Okay, I have a short article, I'll fax it to you, but this guy goes through point by point and explains how this syndrome can cause the exact genetic effects on a human that are depicted in those photographs.
	You mean six digits, for example, on both hands?
	Right, six digits.
	What I have heard, sir, is that six digits are indeed possible But usually one hand at the most, or one foot, not on both hands and both feet, for starters.
	The eyes and the head, and I've got a report here from a pathologist who thinks the brain, and he got to see the brain in the clip, was distinctly non-human.
	The eyes and the ears seemed disproportionate, the belly distended, There are so many things about this body that it does... Have you seen the photograph?
	Yeah, we've got the photograph and we have this short little article and it goes through point by point and yeah, you're right, but it does also explain that each one of those things, each one of those distortions of that body can be explained at least through this extremely rare genetic disorder that can cause widened eyes that are twice the size of a normal human's eyes.
	It's fairly well documented and if We don't have your fax number.
	We'd love to just fax to you.
	Maybe you could look it over.
	I'll give you my fax number.
	It's three pages.
	Okay.
	We're interested in this too.
	We're just thinking that I'd like to hear the guest.
	I'm sure he's been confronted with some of this.
	Maybe he has a certain opinion about it.
	Maybe so.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	I would say the odds, along with the pathology report that I've got here, That the odds of this creature, in my opinion, being human are slim and none.
	I don't think it is a human.
	Now, maybe some of the rest of you that have seen the photographs would like to comment.
	I know that by now many hundreds of you have seen them.
	What's going on here is that about an hour ago, about an hour ago, I talked to Ray Santilli in London and I am going over the next half hour to try to get hold of Ray Santilli.
	I may be able to do it in the break coming up.
	Who knows?
	Maybe not.
	At any rate, we're going to try to get a hold of him and talk to him about this incredible film.
	I mean, it is nothing short of incredible.
	And the stills from it are as well.
	So that's what we'll do.
	And I believe in going straight to the horse's mouth.
	And in this case, the horse is Ray Santilli.
	So, we'll try to pick up a phone line here, if I can get one, and direct dial London and get Ray on the phone.
	It should be an interesting exercise.
	So, if you've been concerned with, and following the story of the amazing Roswell footage, stand by to stand by.
	No guarantees, but we'll give it a shot.
	Maybe.
	Maybe, from London, Ray Santilli, coming up next.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
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	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from July 17th, 1995.
	We're now going to London, England.
	And, um...
	Yes, we've got him.
	I do believe we've got him.
	His name is Ray Santilli.
	He's the man who possesses, has come into possession of the incredible Roswell footage.
	We believe it's a Roswell.
	Ray, are you there?
	Yes, I am.
	Hello.
	Hi, Ray.
	First of all, on such short notice, thank you so much for coming on the air.
	It's a pleasure.
	Ray, America right now is absolutely adrift in myth and rumor and It's going crazy over here about what you've got.
	We've heard every rumor in the world that it's going to be aired by Channel 4 in London, that you're dealing with a Fox network.
	What's going on?
	Well, most of that is correct.
	We have approximately 30 minutes of viewable, good quality footage.
	Um, which we believe is quite sensational, and, um, that footage will be, um, transmitted worldwide on the 28th of August, approximately, in each territory.
	Okay, it's my understanding that you have promised the camera person, the person who took this, uh, film, anonymity.
	Is that correct?
	Yep.
	Um, it was, uh, a situation where We could only acquire the film by agreeing to certain terms and conditions.
	And, you know, as much as I understand the frustration of many people that have a love for the subject, you know, obviously they want to know who the cameraman is and they want to know, you know, exactly his details and so forth.
	It's very difficult when, you know, the agreement we reached with him was to really respect and guarantee his privacy.
	All right, well, we heard that he was in his 80s.
	Yes, he is.
	And maybe you can tell me this without giving away his identity, Ray.
	What was his motivation?
	In getting the film out now, I mean, is it because he's older and he wants the story out or what?
	No, I don't think he really cares too much about the story.
	I mean, we found him by accident in 1993.
	We originally met him and discussed a completely different subject with him because this guy had spent his life as a freelance cameraman after he'd left the military.
	We purchased some other footage from him, which was strictly on a cash basis.
	I heard you were originally after some Elvis Presley early footage or something and then
	stumbled into this.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah.
	Well, firstly, what happened was that we were doing a documentary based on the early movement
	of rock and roll and the influences that it had on society and what concern there was
	in America about the damage rock and roll was doing to the youth of the day.
	We purchased some footage from a guy that was a freelance cameraman in 1955, and he shot some relevant footage.
	When we bought the footage from him, he then explained that prior to 1952, he worked in the military, and then he relayed the story of Roswell.
	At the time, we didn't have a clue what Roswell was all about, but when someone says to you that they've got an alien autopsy, even if you think it's ridiculous, you want to go and have a look at it, which is what we did.
	You bet.
	It was a remarkable piece of film.
	So, we went through the various verification processes that were available to us, and we've landed up where we are now, with the film.
	Well, um, alright, let me ask you a couple of big questions about film that everybody's asking.
	Yeah.
	Um, first of all, um, it was, you know, somehow the pictures got out onto the internet worldwide, a few of the still photographs, and people said, uh-huh, look at that curly phone cord!
	Well, they didn't have a curly phone cord, uh... in nineteen forty five but that's not true is that they did yeah and when uh... when the stills were first released there was a great deal of fuss about the uh... about the telephone that was in the picture and then i think someone traced the call down to nineteen thirty nine uh...
	You know, there was the thing, the thing about this film that seems to have bothered most people is firstly that the
	creatures are all female.
	That seems to have upset quite a few people.
	I wonder why.
	God knows.
	The other reason is that, you know, these creatures are quite muscly.
	And, you know, people have got this perceived idea of what an ET or an alien should look like.
	And, you know, this doesn't comply.
	Yes.
	And not only that, all the creatures that were recovered were female.
	You know, as I said before, they were quite muscly.
	And, you know, it's just a strange curiosity.
	I mean, that's the only way you can really describe the film.
	Well, let me tell you this, Ray, and maybe it hit you the same way.
	I guess you're not a ufologist, you've not been following this kind of thing.
	I've never seen a UFO or a ghost in my life.
	So, when I first saw the stills, Ray, I was shocked and I guess I was very impressed because, frankly, It is my idea.
	You know, you hear of the little greys, and you hear of the white people, and the big beans, and the Nordics, and all the rest of it, and this is sort of almost human, but to me, obviously not human, and I thought it was all the more impressive because of that.
	Yeah, maybe.
	I mean, you know, it's an interesting thing, because, you know, you look at these creatures, and they're obviously very, very muscly.
	I mean, they've got very well-developed muscle tone.
	and uh... you know if these creatures are out there uh... abducting people or whatever you can you can
	understand why people wouldn't be able to move on to win the grip of one of these
	people i mean unit is that they've been picked up a very curious looking
	creature uh...
	yeah i i i i i i I don't know.
	I mean, there are many descriptions about what these creatures should look like, and I just don't know where this sits amongst them all, because I'm not an expert on the subject.
	It's just a very strange piece of film.
	All right.
	What about the clock in the film?
	There were questions, I believe, about the clock as well.
	Yeah, to be honest, I'm not an expert on clocks or telephones.
	The only thing I can tell you is that the footage comes from 1947, as far as we're aware, and therefore everything on it has to be 1947.
	People say to me, well, do we think the film is a hoax?
	The only thing I can say is that when we first got this footage and first acquired it here in January of this year, we could have sold it a hundred times over and taken some money and walked away in January with no further commitment at all.
	The only reason that we still have the film and that we're working with the film is just a show of our confidence in the fact that it's genuine.
	We will work with it because hopefully we will have something that will last a good few years and that will be of benefit to everyone.
	Listen, Ray, I also want to say to you that I don't blame you a bit.
	If I had film like that, you're not a ufologist, your life is not devoted to trying to prove or disprove this one way or the other, and I don't blame you.
	I mean, if you can make some dollars from this, you paid dollars for it, there's nothing wrong with that.
	No, I, you know, there are a couple of things.
	Firstly, I mean, there are elements of the UFO community that are very upset that, you know, that we have the film because we're a commercial organization.
	We haven't spent years in the library or going through various books and researching the subject.
	So I can understand that us having the film is probably not the ideal situation for them.
	But if we hadn't been a commercial company, we wouldn't have found it in the first place.
	That's right.
	We only stumbled across this guy because of the commercial field that we're in.
	I've got a report here from Dr. Milroy.
	Yes, he was the home office pathologist that works here in the UK, the senior forensic pathologist.
	He's involved in conducting autopsies and so forth for the police and various high profile type of cases.
	And while he did complain about some blurriness in the film in a couple of points, he said the brain that was exposed looked to him Well, his words, however, he says, the appearances were not those of a human brain.
	That's right.
	There are many things about the creature that are strange.
	You know, it's not just the brain.
	You know, you have to remember that Dr. Milroy is a professional and he's an academic.
	You know, you can't expect these people to go as far as saying, you know, this is an alien creature, because, you know, their reputation is at stake.
	They go as far as they can.
	That report, although he doesn't say this creature is an ET or an alien, you know, he's gone as far as he professionally can.
	Yes.
	And it doesn't help, you know, because what's been happening in each instance, every time, you know, we bring in these professionals to look at it and they'll give their best opinion, they're generally driven mad by some of the UFO community afterwards and they find themselves having to step backwards from, you know, the position they would probably like to take.
	But, you know, I understand that, you know, it's a heated subject.
	It is highly controversial.
	But, you know, Kodak have come back to us and they've said that, as far as they're concerned, the film is manufactured in 1927, 47 or 67.
	Unfortunately, they repeated the code cycles every 20 years.
	But, you know, that's as close as they can get.
	And, you know, we're doing a chemical analysis on one frame to, you know, to pinpoint the year.
	Okay, okay, that's very important.
	Now, I had not heard that before.
	Kodak has now come back and said the film was manufactured in 27, 47, or 60 years ago.
	Yeah, Kodak released an official press statement four days ago because they've analysed the
	film both in Hollywood, in London and in Europe.
	They've come up with the film was manufactured in 1927, 47 or 67.
	Unfortunately they used the same code sequence every 20 years, which meant that even they
	were unable, using the regular technology to hand, to date the film exactly.
	So what we've now done is there's apparently another test, which is a chemical test, which
	involves the destruction of one frame.
	So that will be attempted next and hopefully we'll be able to pinpoint the year exactly.
	Ooh.
	Well, you're taking all the right steps then.
	That's for sure.
	Well, we've tried our best to keep it out of the tabloids.
	We've tried to keep a lid on the story as much as possible.
	We are in control of every slide, every piece of footage that's out there.
	Hopefully, over the next few weeks, we can get where we want to be with the film before we release it to the public.
	Well, in a way, I guess the stills that got out were unauthorized.
	They were unauthorized.
	They were stolen and scanned off the TV, and cramped, in most instances, and then winged away around the world on our wonderful internet.
	Internet, yes, of course.
	And so the lucky people with computers get a look.
	But I guess all told, Ray, it's not that bad, because they're a wonderful tease for what's really coming.
	Yeah.
	And again, I would like, if I could, I've got a little newsletter that I We publish for the network, and I'd like permission from you to publish those stills only.
	Would that be alright?
	I just need to know what those stills are.
	Because there are only five official stills that have been released.
	Those are the ones?
	Yeah, well, I'm sure it's okay.
	Oh, thank you.
	Where will they be published?
	Oh, in our... I have a little Art Bell...
	After Dark Newsletter, and um... Okay.
	Strictly for that, it's fine.
	Strictly for that.
	But not for the Nationals or any publication.
	Correct.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	I appreciate that.
	How about taking a couple of calls?
	Yeah, okay.
	Alright, let's do it.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Ray Santilli in London.
	Hello.
	Excuse me?
	You're on the air with Ray Santilli in London, sir.
	Where are you calling from?
	Hello?
	Hello.
	Let me turn my radio down.
	Turn it off, sir.
	Yes, sir.
	Okay, you're on the air with Ray Santilli in London.
	Hello, Art Bell.
	Yes.
	Hello, Ray.
	Hi.
	Has anybody asked you about Mr. Stanton Friedman, who's a very dogged investigator on this case, but doesn't seem to have any knowledge of these All right, it is a good question.
	Where are you, please?
	I'm in Texas.
	Texas, all right.
	Ray, what about that?
	Stanton Friedman, the physicist, has been looking into this for a long time.
	Have you had any contact with him at all?
	Yeah, we have had contact with Stanton.
	Stanton first approached us when news of the footage became public.
	We have a situation where We have purposely, if you like, kept the footage away from the UFO community because of the problems that we've experienced in terms of text being copied and the internal arguments that go on in the UFO community.
	You know, you find one division of the UFO community are always fighting with another division.
	And we thought that as far as our process is concerned, it would be better to bring in independent verification, people that are not interested in UFOs, people that are not interested in or have any sort of biased opinion on the subject of UFOs.
	So what we did for the purpose of verification We have really gone to, as I said, outside independent sources and that includes doctors, film experts and so forth.
	So there's a great many people in the UFO community that have not seen the footage.
	However, we did have one screening in London on the 5th of May at the Museum of London for any UFO interested party that would like to come down.
	What amazed me, Ray, when I got the first reports, I talked to some people who went to that screening and they were very much in doubt and they were talking about the curly phone cord and all the rest of it.
	And then I got to see the stills and I felt exactly the opposite.
	I thought, damn, this is the best stuff I've ever seen.
	Yeah, I mean, obviously people should be sceptical when they first see the film because, you know, it is quite an incredible piece of film and it just needs further investigation.
	It would be foolish for anyone to look at that footage and say, really, this is the real thing.
	This is definitely an ET.
	You know, it's just it's It's such an incredible subject that it just needs to be thrown into the public domain and then people need to investigate it and decide for themselves.
	Fortunately, I have the advantage of dealing with the guy that shot it, so the information I have is first-hand.
	However, the information most other people get is second-hand.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Ray Santilli in London.
	Hi.
	Morning, Mr. Bell.
	Mark from Oklahoma City.
	Oklahoma City, yes.
	The question I would have is, in one of the still frames, it appears that one of the examiners is wearing a latex glove.
	We're latex gloves around in that time period?
	You've got more information than any of us have got.
	I mean, I don't think that anybody here has pinpointed the fabric of either the costumes or uniforms that are being worn or of any of the other materials that are there.
	I'm sorry.
	You would be able to determine.
	It's a very good point.
	I don't see how you could determine the material either.
	I mean that's an incredible observation.
	picture i've got no idea especially when we have the film and can't determine that
	all right now i just think that it appears that he's wearing some sort of
	yeah i really have no answer to that and um... it's a very good point i don't see
	how you could determine the material either i mean i mean that's an
	incredible observation and you know if you have noticed something that we
	haven't been you know that's that's very interesting all right uh... thank you very much
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Ray Santilli in London.
	Hi.
	Hi, yes.
	Where are you, sir?
	I'm in Eugene, Oregon.
	Okay, you're going to have to speak up good and loud.
	You're hard to hear.
	Eugene, Oregon.
	Yes, Eugene, Oregon.
	Go ahead.
	Yes, I wanted to ask if he's made any contact with sightings or encounters, because there's millions of people in America who would love to see these phones.
	That's a good point.
	What about those kinds of programs, Ray?
	I'm actually unaware of sightings of such.
	However, I think it's the producer of the Encounters program that's making the special for Fox.
	Uh-huh.
	All right, and that again will air August 8th, is that correct?
	28th.
	28th, I'm sorry.
	All right, stay there, Ray.
	will be right back to you.
	Back now to Ray Santilli in London.
	Ray, do you feel in a strange position that here you are, somebody who's never had anything to do with UFOs or ufology, and yet you may turn out to be the man who came up with the smoking gun?
	I don't know.
	It's an interesting scenario.
	It's very hard because, as mentioned earlier, I have no particular love for the subject of UFOs or the paranormal.
	We are a commercial company, so we're in it for commercial reasons.
	However, if something comes from it and it benefits the UFO community or people in general somehow, then fine.
	However, you know, there's also the other argument for saying that the footage could be so controversial that it
	causes nothing but more infighting and dispute amongst people in various religions.
	So, I mean, I don't know. It's too deep a subject for me to have an opinion on, I'm afraid.
	How has it affected you?
	Now, it's unfortunately made our life a lot more complicated because it means that we have to... we're
	spending a great deal of time on it.
	However, it's not kidding anyone here, because it has a significant value, and so that's the business that we're in.
	Yes, and as I say, I don't blame you a bit.
	I can't imagine you would handle it any differently.
	Very quickly, West of the Rockies, you're on with Ray Santilli.
	In London, where are you, please?
	Honolulu.
	Honolulu, Hawaii.
	Yes, sir.
	I was just curious, when were these photos first originated to you?
	You mean, when did Ray Santilli get them?
	Yes.
	Okay, that's a good question.
	I first saw them in the summer of 1993 at the house of the cameraman.
	uh... and due to various problems uh... we didn't we didn't physically acquire
	them until uh... december january uh... will be temple of the
	january this year okay uh... so you've had a mark you know them for a while
	we've had a friend with the typically haven't been canary and uh...
	did you debate how you were going to handle this I mean, you must have spent a lot of nights wondering how to do this.
	Yes.
	We brought in a good team of people.
	You know, because I'm not an expert in certain subjects, the best way to handle anything is always to hire in the experts.
	And so the marketing and the entire campaign was constructed by the professionals that we have brought in to do it for us.
	Ray Santilli, I know you're busy, very busy, and I appreciate your taking the time out to talk to us.
	No problem.
	Thank you, my friend.
	Thank you very much.
	You take care.
	That's Ray Santilli in London, England.
	And there you've got it.
	I told you we'd talk to him, and we have.
	We'll be back here in a few moments.
	That was interesting.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from July 17th, 1995.
	The Coast to Coast is a new series of episodes in which the Coast Guard and the Coast Guard's Chief of Staff, Lt. Col.
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	♪♪♪ Tonight's program originally aired July 17th, 1995.
	That was Ray Santilli in London.
	Don, we had a great connection.
	And, uh, so there you are.
	Get ready.
	We're gonna publish those photographs in our next newsletter.
	I'll probably be sending them to the publisher later today.
	Wow.
	So...
	If you don't have our newsletter yet, this would be a real good time.
	If you've already seen the photographs, I would very much like to hear from you and hear your opinion on them.
	And again, I find Ray Santilli's reaction to what he's got to be totally normal, probably irritating the UFO community who Uh, for the most part, are dedicated to their cause and they're purists.
	And I'm sure they think Ray should be giving this film out to prove what the UFO community has wanted to prove for so long with regard to Roswell.
	And I understand their reaction, but I also understand his.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hi Art, good show on the uh...
	Guy from England, but I want to talk about Bosnia for a minute if I may.
	Yes, you may.
	Go right ahead.
	You know, I think that this is no accident what is happening.
	And I'll tell you why.
	My conversation with people in Europe is, privately, they don't want a Muslim state in Europe.
	And I think it's not going to be the Serbs that finish off the Muslims.
	It's going to be the winner coming up.
	And I think that it's being done by design.
	I think it's wrong as hell.
	Well, you can say that of all war.
	And I think the United Nations, they can say, well, it was the United Nations, they can't blame it on any one country.
	And then when they start starving to death this winter, they can say, well, gee, isn't that a shame?
	But I think it's done on purpose, and Warren Christopher is doing exactly what he's told to do.
	Well, I agree with that.
	Yes, sir.
	Thank you.
	I agree with that.
	Of course he is.
	Warren Christopher is echoing exactly what the White House wants him to echo.
	He's very good at that.
	And right now, the White House doesn't want anything radical to occur.
	They don't want 25,000 troops to have to go in and rescue the UN.
	They sure as hell don't want 500,000 troops to have to fight the Serbs.
	All of that would be very bad.
	So, what can they do?
	Well, they can maintain the status quo, and that's exactly what they're going to do, by putting in additional troops, trying to protect Sarajevo and any other Quote, safe area, end quote, that remains.
	In other words, drag it out.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hi, this is Sue.
	Hi, Sue.
	I just missed the interview, the tail end.
	Is there any chance you're going to replay it?
	There is a chance, and I think what I may do is replay the interview tomorrow in the first three hours of the program.
	It was a three hour interview?
	No, no, no, no.
	Oh, somewhere in there.
	I said I may replay the interview somewhere in the first three hours of the program tomorrow night.
	And, you know, I couldn't get number two on the photo.
	I tried that twice and it cut out.
	And then on number five, we downloaded it two times and it was, each time, you know, it said that it wouldn't, not readable, Farley, this was all mumble-jumble.
	It was all the letters of the picture, but it didn't come out in the picture.
	Right.
	What protocol were you using?
	What protocol?
	You don't know?
	Say one protocol.
	Z-modem?
	I think something, yeah.
	Or X. X-modem?
	I think.
	Well, what it means is that it did not complete And if it does not complete, then your GIF file reader can't read it.
	So somehow it didn't complete.
	And that could be static on the line or anything like that, right?
	Yeah, sure.
	No one's had any.
	They're downloadable.
	Anyway, you've seen, I take it, one of them.
	Oh, I saw three of them.
	I mean, I think it's the real.
	I didn't hear the interview.
	I do, too.
	I agree with you.
	And that is your assessment.
	They're real.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's unbelievable.
	I know.
	Thank you very much.
	See, that's a universal reaction.
	It's really, really interesting because the ufology community, the people deeply into this now for years, originally seemed to be very much in doubt.
	Thought, oh no, it's a fake.
	Because these creatures did not seem to fit into the category That they had in mind.
	You know, the greys.
	Why isn't it a grey?
	Why isn't it a creature of light?
	Or a Nordic?
	Or one of the many, many that have been talked about.
	And it seemed... And so their reaction was predictable.
	But when I saw the photos, I went, holy smokes!
	Actually, that's not quite what I said.
	But you get the idea.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Kip from Decatur, Alabama.
	Yes, sir.
	How you doing?
	Oh, not bad.
	Well, I got a couple of things to say.
	First of all, we do not get Dreamland on Sunday.
	I'm sorry.
	And I'd really like to, you know, catch it one of these days.
	Well, you listen to a station there in Decatur?
	Yeah, WVNN.
	Well, give them a call and ask them nicely to carry it.
	Well, I did last night, and they said that that's what they receive.
	So, I don't I don't understand.
	Would you turn your radio off, please?
	Oh, yeah.
	Hold on one second.
	All right.
	Remember to do that.
	Have it close to the phone so you can extinguish it immediately when you get on the air.
	All right.
	That must be some ways away, so it's going to take him a second to get back.
	That's saying to have it right by your telephone.
	All right.
	Okay.
	It is available, sir, on satellite, so it may be they've got conflicting programming.
	And, uh, they can receive it and then play it back at a different time if they would like.
	All right, now, what I called to ask you about is I was listening to another program this morning.
	Oh, no.
	And, uh, well, you just went off air.
	I understand, yeah.
	And, uh, they said that there were some new files coming out on the Whitewater incident.
	Well, the Whitewater hearings are going to begin today.
	Today?
	Yes.
	All right, well, they said that there were some new files coming out, and I believe Remember hearing someone say that all the files had been turned over whenever, you know, it first broke.
	And I was just wondering where these new files were coming from.
	Well, one of the big questions that they're going to ask today, and we're going to see how well it's dealt with, is when Vince Foster committed suicide, question mark, the White House had people over there going through his office, and they have never properly answered what documents were removed.
	Yeah, all right.
	I don't know what makes them think they're going to get good answers today, but maybe they do have new files.
	Maybe there are some surprises we shall see.
	Well, it's like the Waco incident in Ruby Ridge.
	Well, that'll be beginning Wednesday.
	It's going to be a very rough week for the administration, believe me.
	Yeah, but you'll never find out the truth about what happened.
	I hope you're wrong.
	Oh, I hope I am, too.
	I definitely do, because if I'm not, that means this country's Headed in a sad direction.
	Thank you, sir.
	Sound of jet taking off.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hey, I want to talk to you about your saying that we should arm the Bosnians.
	I believe that really Bosnia doesn't exist anymore.
	It's just a couple of safe areas there.
	That's about all that's left.
	It's true.
	And if we say, all right, we're going to arm the Well, that may well be true now.
	It may be too late.
	I do tend to agree with that.
	type area around there had ten million thurman
	movement i mean i i i there's no way that we could get the uh... military
	supplies in there in time for them to stop the uh... regular serbian army
	well that may well be true now uh... it may be too late i i do but tend to
	agree with that but it's also a lot of what so then what sir
	well i think that i that we used a different approach for example the uh... serbian
	destroying the capital of the Bosnian Syria where every day they lob in artillery
	And we could say, unilaterally, in one day, with 12 Tomahawk missiles, we can take out the electricity and the sewage and the water of Belgrade.
	That's true.
	And we could just tell them, you know.
	Matter of fact, we could tell them, you have 48 hours to withdraw, or, you know, this is going to happen.
	You either leave Belgrade or you leave Bosnia.
	You know, I do agree with that.
	Thank you.
	I agree with that, sir.
	I want to go even a little further.
	Why do we have nuclear weapons?
	Can anybody answer that?
	We've got them now, of course, because Russia and China and arguably Pakistan and maybe South Africa and others, Israel, have them.
	So, we've gotta have them for those reasons.
	The arms have proliferated.
	Protection.
	But, you can't ever really use them.
	Uh, not in a full exchange.
	That'd be the end of everything, right?
	With the Russians?
	We exchange weapons?
	Uh, the world would still be here, I'm sure.
	It would survive it.
	We wouldn't.
	We'd be poisoned.
	And we would die.
	Some of us, slowly and horribly.
	So, the answer is you can't really use them, you can't really have World War III.
	And then, so then, what are they good for?
	Maybe they're good for a situation like we've got in front of us.
	Now, presently, I see it as a civil war.
	The UN is useless, should be pulled out at some expense, no doubt.
	Then we ought to be out of the UN as far as I'm concerned.
	However, The Serbs are then likely to continue.
	Greece, Turkey, who knows what ultimate ambitions the Serbs have.
	The minute they cross the border, I think then you've got arguably a use for a nuclear device.
	And you say, now listen here.
	Either you're back across the border, within your borders, by such and such time on such and such a date, or else.
	And we would have to mean it.
	Now, a likely target for a device like that?
	I don't know.
	Military?
	Isolated?
	A demonstration that we mean it?
	Whatever.
	There's a great likelihood that, well, many people will recall, this is how the First World War began.
	Same area, same basic problem.
	And that would be a use for a nuclear device.
	The alternative?
	Sending in about 500,000 or more American troops to actually fight the Serbs.
	That'd be a lot of dead.
	A lot of dead.
	That'd go on for a long time.
	That'd be another Vietnam.
	Before I would do that as President, I would authorize such a threat.
	And yes, I would mean it.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	Yes, sir.
	Where are you?
	WOMI, out of Owensboro, Kentucky.
	Yes, sir.
	I'm unable to hear your program because they have another program on right now, but I have a real short question.
	The C-SPAN, they're going to delay it.
	Do you know of any way of how I could get in contact with them people?
	Or have you heard anything about that?
	Well, I would urge everybody to call C-SPAN.
	And urge that these hearings not be delayed, but broadcast live.
	And I cannot imagine why they're deciding to delay them.
	Right.
	Well, that was my concern about it.
	Earlier on, on another radio talk show, they had said something about a number two C-SPAN to call to voice my opinion about the Waco hearings being delayed.
	C-SPAN 2 would be the U.S.
	Senate.
	Okay.
	And so, yes.
	All righty, well, thank you very much, Art, and enjoy your program.
	Take care, sir.
	By all means.
	Why do you suppose they want to delay the hearings?
	Is it so... Well, it's an obvious answer, isn't it?
	So they could do something with the content.
	You would hate to think something like that would happen, but why would C-SPAN, which exists to allow the American public to see what's going on in Congress.
	Not broadcast live, one of the items of great interest to the American public.
	Good question.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Yeah, this is Steve, KP&W Country.
	Yes.
	I've got a couple questions.
	The first one I wanted to clear up.
	Didn't you interview somebody, a producer of the Roswell movie?
	I did, yes.
	Didn't he say that these films or something were from that movie?
	Uh, no, sir.
	That was an earlier photograph.
	All of the earlier stuff?
	Oh, yes, that's right.
	And, um, I traced that one down very carefully, and yes, had the producer of Roswell the movie on the program.
	That is not what these photographs are.
	Yeah, I downloaded the second one, and it was kind of, the one with the leg kind of torn up?
	Yep.
	Kind of eerie.
	It reminded me of those, uh, Mannequins are usually used in CPR course, I took.
	Well, I'll tell you, most dead bodies, human or otherwise, look like mannequins.
	Yeah, they're kind of bloated.
	Yeah.
	Because of the computer situation I have, do you know the internet address where I can get the rest of them?
	I'm sorry, I don't.
	Oh, okay.
	I know you can probably go onto the web and do a search for Roswell and go right to it.
	Oh, that's okay.
	Okay.
	The Vist Foster thing.
	Yes.
	Did you hear about the Secret Service has some papers saying they found him in a car with a gun?
	No, I had not heard that.
	Apparently the nanny, this is one I heard a long time ago, the nanny had first discovered Vince Foster in a car in the White House parking lot.
	And she proceeded to phone Arkansas.
	Okay, I know nothing of that.
	Obviously, that... I know the Michael Reagan Show, but anyway, he was saying today, what he's saying now, is that they do have a document that says that the Secret Service had seen, they found him in the car with a gun, and that the people that are being interviewed, the witnesses right now, that are going up there, are Secret Service agents.
	Well, it's going to blow everything sky-high if that's true.
	It's kind of scary, yeah.
	Alright, go ahead.
	Take care.
	Take care, thank you.
	Now, I hesitate to believe that only because that would mean the Secret Service lied or kept that information from all of the other inquiries that have gone before, and I find that a little difficult to believe, so... Interesting.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Danny calling from Bakersfield.
	Yes, sir.
	And I wanted to comment on the Roswell photos on the Internet.
	Yes, sir.
	That I've seen.
	Well, I didn't find them all that compelling.
	I think it's too tough to judge just by the pictures alone on whether they're a hoax or whether they're authentic.
	I think what will decide for me one way or the other is When I see the actual film and what all the film has in it, whether it has the entire autopsy on it and also, I'm not sure if I read it correctly on the net, but is there footage of the actual wreckage?
	No.
	Oh, there's not?
	Not that I'm aware of, no.
	Oh, I was under the impression that... No, this was just the autopsy.
	Oh, just the autopsy.
	Okay, well, I would have to see that, but I think just based on just the pictures I've seen on the internet, I mean, they may be authentic, they may be a hoax, but even if they are authentic, they're not compelling enough to change any skeptic's opinions on the subject.
	Well, that may be so.
	It may be so, sir.
	I think these are the best I've ever seen.
	Well, you know, the one that I really liked, and I felt like such an idiot for falling for it, but the Devilfish.
	When I first saw that, I was like, wow, this is great.
	And then I think I read on the internet, on one of the art bell pages, somebody who left a message saying, you know, hey, you know, I hate to burst your bubble.
	This is actually a Devilfish.
	I got one just like it.
	I was like, oh, I can't believe I fell for that.
	Well, there you are.
	That's what convinced me on these, and I'm pretty convinced.
	It's that this met my personal expectation of what an alien really might look like, more so than the little greys or all the traditional explanations of what aliens look like.
	I think that's why I'm interested.
	Well, I felt it was kind of, I don't know, anti-climactic.
	I guess I was hoping for something more Alien?
	More alien?
	Yeah, I mean, I just thought that the body itself looks... I mean, it's just like a... I mean, there's... I mean, pardon, but no genitalia, no nipples, or anything like that.
	I mean, and... I mean, they're aliens, you know?
	Well, I know, but... Alright, sir, thank you.
	But, see... First of all, it's a female, so that was not obvious in the photograph.
	Second of all, I would think you would find that compelling the other way around.
	Shouldn't there be nipples?
	Should the eyes be that large?
	They're nearly double-sized?
	No.
	The ears that small?
	No.
	Six digits on each hand and each foot?
	I mean, give me a break!
	My assessment of these photographs is that Well, I guess that's what makes the world go round.
	It hits everybody a little differently.
	People in the UFO community, ufologists, had a certain expectation of what it should be.
	I think for those people, they've had a very hard time accepting this film and these stills.
	I have not.
	And I don't know that I'm any more objective.
	Maybe I am a little more objective because I've always held myself a little bit out.
	You know, I'm not a total believer.
	I'm not a guy who says they are here.
	They're absolutely here.
	I know they are.
	I don't know that.
	But somehow in my mind, If they do exist, I always thought they might look just about like what I saw in that photo.
	We'll be back.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 17th, 1995.
	♪ the
	the the
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM, from July 17th, 1995.
	If you just happen to join us, too bad, you missed an interview with Ray Santilli, who's got the Roswell, the alleged Roswell film.
	An absolutely amazing film, based on the stills that I have, and I weaseled permission, weaseled is the right word, To publish them in our newsletter, and by gosh, he gave permission!
	So, expect those five photographs to publish in our next newsletter.
	I'll be zinging them up to the publisher later today.
	Now, I've got something I'm going to read you here from the University of Sheffield, Department of Forensic Pathology, who saw and made a report on the film.
	In just a moment.
	Right now, east of the Rockies, you are on the air.
	Good morning.
	Where are you, please?
	Well, I kind of told you wrong.
	I'm in Memphis, Tennessee.
	Memphis, Tennessee.
	All right.
	Memphis.
	Still east of the Rockies, though.
	Way east, yeah.
	Great.
	I mean, you're off the air here, so I'm flying blind again.
	And it was great that you got the interview in before you went off the air.
	Oh, good.
	So you were able to hear that in Memphis?
	Yeah, it was great.
	Excellent.
	I appreciate the fact that you got him on.
	What I was really calling about, though, is yesterday you had your little poll.
	Was that yesterday?
	I think it was yesterday.
	Whether pot or whether drugs should be legal.
	Oh, that was actually Friday night, Saturday morning, and that show repeated yesterday.
	Yeah, it was a repeat yesterday.
	Yeah, fine.
	Anyway, you know, when people point out that it should be made legal because, you know, it would be less expensive, we wouldn't have to, and we'd make money off of it from the revenues if we tax it and all that.
	They fail to realize the fact that we're going to end up paying for all those people that go into hospitals on drug overdoses and stuff like that.
	Of course.
	Of course.
	Thank you.
	Just the way we pay for, for example, $100 billion in lost productivity because of alcohol.
	Imagine if we were to add the drugs.
	No, that caller is correct.
	Alright, listen to this.
	At the request of the Merlin Group, By the way, what I'm about to read to you comes from Dr. C.M.
	Milroy, Senior Lecturer in Forensic Pathology at the University of Sheffield, and he viewed the film from which the stills that are going to go into our newsletter come.
	At the request of the Merlin Group, I have reviewed a film which was claimed to show a post-mortem examination being carried out on an extraterrestrial being.
	The film was allegedly taken on a U.S.
	military base in 1947.
	The film is in black and white.
	A full record of the autopsy was not present, as apparently only some reels of the film record were available.
	No sound was present.
	The autopsy room was small.
	The examination was being conducted by people wearing full protective clothing.
	Besides the autopsy table, a tray of standard autopsy instruments.
	The body was human in appearance, and appeared to be female, but without secondary sexual characteristics.
	No breast development, no pubic hair visible.
	The head was disproportionately large.
	No head hair was present.
	The abdomen was distended.
	There was no evidence of decomposition.
	The overall external appearance was that of a white, adolescent female, estimated to be five feet tall, tending towards a heavy build, but not abnormally thin or fat.
	There were six digits to each hand and foot.
	The eyes appeared larger than normal, And the globes were covered with a black material which was shown being removed.
	There was an extensive and deep injury to the right thigh.
	This was not shown in very close-up detail, but appeared to be burnt and charred down to deep tissue.
	No similar injury was present, though there was possible bruising down the left-hand side of the body.
	Overall, there was a general absence of injury.
	The body was open with a Y-shaped incision, but the skin of the neck was not fully reflected.
	A close of the knife being drawn against the skin was not shown, with blood coming from the skin.
	This appeared to be an unusual amount of blood.
	The neck appeared to contain two cylinder structures Either side anteroly, whatever that means.
	These could have been muscles, but were odd in appearance, though they were not shown in close-up.
	The skin of the chest was shown reflected, and the central ribcage and sternum block removed.
	The chest was shown reflected, and central ribcage individually.
	There appeared to be some sort of heart, two lungs, but when close-up shots of the organs were shown, They were always out of focus.
	The abdominal organs were not clearly seen, though it did not appear that the being was pregnant, an explanation that had been proposed for the distended abdomen.
	The scalp was shown being reflected anteriorly, having been cut in a standard autopsy manner.
	The skull was then shown being sawn Sawn with a hand saw across the front of the skull.
	Through the backward cuts and removal of the skull cap were not shown.
	What appeared to be the membranes covering the brain, or dura, were shown being cut and removed.
	Though a close-up shot of the brain was shown again, it too was out of focus.
	However, the appearances were not those of a human brain.
	Overall, the appearances were those of a white adolescent female with a humanoid body.
	There were six digits, and it goes on and on and on.
	So, that gives you some idea of what a pathologist thought when he saw it.
	Now, clearly, that's not definitive.
	But clearly, it is suggestive, or you would think as far as probably a rather intellectual Somewhat stuffy.
	That may be an unfair characterization, but after all, he is British at the University of Sheffield, right?
	You know, that's going pretty far, I thought, and stuffy was unfair, but for somebody who is a mainstream professional, that was going quite a ways, I thought.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi, this is Tim from Seattle.
	Yes.
	You're talking about the six digits on those aliens.
	I was wondering if you were aware that you've heard of, you know, obviously David and Goliath.
	Yes.
	The race that Goliath was from had six digits.
	So the myth goes, yes.
	Yeah, and supposedly, you know, the origins of the race, the origin of the race was the Nephilim.
	Yes.
	Yeah, so I thought that was interesting that I see.
	All right.
	Well, thank you.
	View the photographs is what I would tell you.
	And again, toward that end, I weaseled my way into being able to publish them.
	Obviously, he's not going to give permission to others.
	So I weaseled well, didn't I?
	Anyway, they're going to be in our newsletter.
	And to get that, you can order our newsletter.
	And it's really fortunate timing, you know, because our newsletter will just Uh, they're requiring the photographs this week, and so I'll just be able to get them to them in time, and we will, uh, publish all five.
	Uh, the number to order our newsletter is 1-800-917-4278.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hello, Art.
	Uh, yes, I, uh, I finally got to talk to you, because I've been trying for ten days.
	And, uh, I want to talk about a couple of things.
	And Bosnia, I heard you the other day talk about, you know, call it the Land War.
	And it's funny how somebody called it earlier and talked about, you know, it's about getting Muslims out of Europe.
	And I'm talking about the same thing, you know.
	I wanted to ask, you know, if there were Jews instead of Bosnians over there, how would the U.S.
	react to that war?
	Well, if there were Jews instead of Muslims?
	Yes.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	The Jews, for the most part, have gone to Israel.
	So, if Israel were attacked, you can bet that we would be there.
	Exactly.
	And also about Kuwait... Wait a minute, sir, but that doesn't mean anything because we're very close to Israel and the Israelis.
	Yes.
	And there was an even bigger holocaust that went on in Cambodia.
	Uh-huh.
	And we weren't there either, were we?
	Exactly.
	Well, that also, in a way, proves my point.
	I'm not racist in my beliefs, in my religion.
	I know, you think we are.
	Well, no.
	Jewish people are part of my religion, you know?
	Uh-huh.
	I'm a Muslim, but also there's one thing that nobody can, you know, I mean, in my opinion, nobody can deny that.
	Jews do control this country.
	No, they don't.
	Well, in many ways, yes.
	Well, look, in many ways, yes.
	I agree with that.
	You know, I remember what you said also the other day about them being hard-working people, and that's one thing I always talk about.
	Well, that's one thing that's true.
	Exactly.
	All right, well, thank you.
	All right, sir.
	Don't be so surprised.
	uh... that jews succeed in business or in government or in circles of power don't be surprised it's the way of the world it's the way of the world those who work achieve and uh... that uh... you know that you're gonna i'm sure you're gonna say why that just makes me some sort of uh... uh... zionist in a in a way it does i support israel I've always generally supported Israel.
	I admire their tenacity.
	I admire their productivity.
	I admire the body parts they display when they defend their country.
	I always have.
	I'm not an apologist for that.
	The Jews are what they are.
	They're very industrious, very quick, very productive, very smart.
	That's all.
	I'm not a Jew.
	I'm not of the faith.
	I don't even know what faith I'm of.
	I'm just an observer.
	Here's an interesting story.
	The Federal Aviation Administration says the main radar system that tracks planes flying through six states in the Midwest Failed for more than an hour on Monday night.
	An FAA spokesman said the failure forced air traffic controllers to use an older system.
	Says though safety was not compromised.
	He says the system failed at 6 45 p.m.
	Central and the backup kicked in immediately.
	There's been a lot of that going on lately.
	Down at the bottom it says Cause of the latest failure was not immediately known.
	The heat, maybe?
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hang on, I'm going to turn off the radio for a second.
	Oh, yes, that's good.
	Do that, always, right away.
	See, you're not supposed to have it across the room, there.
	For goodness sakes, I've got to answer the phone as soon as I dial it.
	Yeah, where are you calling from, sir?
	From Orking, Washington.
	This is Dave.
	Hi, Dave.
	How are you doing today?
	Fine.
	I watched that inspector and And Mr... What is his name?
	Anyway, I watched him today.
	Oh yeah, Sunday.
	And they debated back and forth a little bit.
	Who are you talking about?
	That... On Meet the Press.
	Oh!
	You mean Arlen Specter.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Arlen Specter, yeah.
	With Pat Buchanan.
	There we go, that's it.
	My mind went blank.
	And the more I listened to those two talk, the more...
	I thought they're both Republicans, right?
	Republicans?
	Well, so-called, yes.
	They're really at opposite ends of what anybody could call Republican.
	Pat Buchanan at one end.
	I would say Errol Inspector along with Pete Wilson at the other end.
	I think those two are Democrats.
	The way they talk like Democrats.
	They rebuttal as Democrats.
	I don't know why they even got an R in front of their They're the logo when they talk on the TV like that.
	That was really amazing.
	Yeah, Spector did come off sounding like a Democrat.
	Yeah, it was really amazing.
	Also, when you talked to that young man again about those photographs, could you ask him if any government folks started asking questions about those pictures?
	Like, wow.
	You know what I mean?
	I'll tell you, I'll describe to you what is an interesting controversy, sir.
	And I haven't figured this one out myself.
	If the footage that Grace Antilly has actually is the footage of the 1947 Roswell autopsy after the crash, That would mean that it's U.S.
	government footage.
	And I'm not sure such a thing could be copyrighted.
	But as long as it hangs in the air without anybody being sure of the origin, then I guess it can.
	It's really an odd story right now, and I can't tell you that I know the answer to it.
	I can't tell you that these photographs are real.
	I can just give you my feeling.
	My feeling is they are.
	It may turn out to be a hoax, because I've been hoaxed before.
	On the other hand, I have a lot of things in my possession that are totally, utterly unexplainable.
	And right now, The Roswell photos are one of those things.
	So will I publish it in the newsletter?
	Oh, you bet I will.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Yeah, this is Andrew, listening on KRAM.
	In St.
	Louis.
	Hi, Andrew.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	What happened to the KFOR story about the Iraqis?
	The latest on KFOR is that they have run a film Alright, excuse me, a story purportedly connecting John Doe number two to some sort of Philippine, I said Philippine, terrorist group.
	And I'm trying to get details on it, so hang in there.
	Okay, and also one more point on the... Oh, we're going to get more pictures?
	I thought you said you were going to have pictures from the Roswell, so that's good.
	That could be the next issue?
	Yes, sir.
	Next issue of the newsletter.
	Great.
	All right.
	Thanks a lot.
	Thank you.
	I will modem those up to the publisher hours from now.
	They are remarkable.
	Absolutely remarkable.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	How are you, Art?
	Okay.
	This is Mitch in Ventura, California.
	How you doing?
	Listening to Kogo.
	Yes, sir.
	Yeah, regarding Chuck Schumer and his concerns over the Waco hearings discrediting the United States government.
	And, therefore, the anti-gun movement.
	Well, if discrediting the United States government is what these hearings are about, they're going to be over in quite short order, I would expect.
	Oh, ye of little faith.
	Well, I hope the truth comes out.
	My comment was, What do you conclude from Schumer's fear?
	Oh, I felt exactly the way you expressed the situation, that this was a preemptive strike.
	I thought the same thing when I heard Robert Rubin's comments, that they knew what was coming, and therefore they were staging a preemptive strike, trying to divert attention away from the true subject matter, which was to get to the bottom of it and get the truth.
	Exactly right.
	So I can only assume from their fear that there's going to be a bombshell, That's going to make their gun control efforts, after and following it, look wrong.
	I believe you've correctly analyzed the situation, Art.
	Well, we'll see.
	And soon.
	You know, the hearings begin tomorrow.
	Yeah, and I'm also upset that they're not going to be televising those live.
	I think, as regards the question from your earlier caller about calling C-SPAN, that this is not going to do any good because the House And the Senate, both, are the ultimate arbiters of the coverage.
	Well... The leadership.
	I know.
	But, you know, they're elected, right?
	That's right.
	And if they get a whole lot of phone calls... That could do it.
	Well, that was my point.
	Alright, thank you very much for the call.
	Take care.
	We're about out of time here.
	East of the Rockies.
	Only got a second.
	Hello?
	Hello there?
	No, huh?
	First time caller line.
	We're almost out of time.
	Hi.
	Hello there.
	Oh, am I?
	I wasn't pushing the right button.
	I'm sorry.
	Wildcard line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Good morning, Art.
	Good morning.
	We're almost out of time.
	This is Scott calling from Salt Lake City, Utah.
	Hi, Scott.
	A couple of, about a week ago, a lady called about coming up here to visit a Zion's and that.
	Yep.
	Probably about the third week in September would be real nice.
	All right.
	Great advice.
	And the final advice for the night, because we are out of time.
	Good night, everybody.
	Boy, what an interesting evening it has been.
	We'll gather tomorrow at about the same time, same station.

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