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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from the 4th of July, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest.
		Pretty good place for a network, I would say.
		I bid you good evening from the place where, yes, it is still the 4th of July.
		Scattered explosions can be heard rendered in the distance as we celebrate 219 years.
		219 years.
		Almost makes us sound a little bit more.
unidentified		Well, the time is over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's the way it went, folks.
		As you know, those of you who listened through the grinding end of yesterday's program, I did not get my cat.
		I was discouraged, upset, beginning to doubt that he was still under there, even though my wife said she heard him answer a couple of times.
		And so we removed the barbecued chicken from the trap, brought the trap in, oh, I'd guess about 11 o'clock in the morning, just before I sacked out at about noon.
		And we loaded the trap.
		This time we used a big gun.
		Brought out the Port Chatham smoked tuna.
		Port Chatham is now not an advertiser.
		They'll be back at some point, but they're not an advertiser now, so it's a free ad for them because it worked.
		And so we cranked out the smoked tuna and put that on there and then smeared a little bit of it toward the front of the trap.
		And nothing.
		Until just about five minutes before I woke up for the evening, bo-woosh, my wife came in and said, guess what?
		We got him.
		And we did get him indeed.
		We have him or her, I'm not sure yet.
		And so what I've done is a pretty good size trap.
		And we just, you know, the trap has a handle.
		So we've just carried the trap inside, put down paper, lots of paper in the bathroom, and put the trap down on top of the paper, and put a bowl of food and water into the trap.
		And it, I'm going to have to call it until I find out otherwise, is a beautiful cat.
		It's young, I'm going to guess two months old.
		It's orange and white with blue, very light blue eyes.
		It's a beautiful cat.
		It does not hiss.
		It does meow when I go in there and we've got the trap covered with a towel and it seems very happy about that.
		It's dark and quiet in there.
		And that is where it's going to remain for the rest of its life.
		No.
		It will remain there until tomorrow morning at 8 o'clock when I will call and I will beg a local veterinarian to give it the appropriate tests, shots, and cleanup before it gets anywhere near my cat.
		So there it is, ladies and gentlemen.
		We have our cat.
		Final victory.
		God, it feels so good.
		And so that's tomorrow morning at 8 o'clock or first crack of dawn, as soon as they're open, this cat, I don't know if it's he or she have no way of knowing, goes down to the vet and takes the first step in becoming domesticated and clean and able to interact with my other cat who now, no doubt, is going to be really ticked off.
		Although he's not going nuts about it yet.
		The problem is, you see, this particular bathroom is adjacent to my studio, so cat's about 10 or 15 feet away from me, really.
		And if my cat and that cat get going during the night, you may have something to hear.
		We'll see.
		I don't know.
		So there it is.
		It is either the ending of the saga, or more likely the beginning of another saga as we try and domesticate this beastie that, you know, it's only a couple months old, and it's been living under our house for, I'm going to guess, two or three weeks at least.
		And so I guess I feel like we rescued him and her, but whatever.
		And I'm very, very pleased about it.
		It's a great relief.
		Now my life can go on to other things.
		I mean, it's not as though I don't have anything to do.
		I do a five-hour a night talk show.
		I do a sixth night of Dreamland.
		I'm in the middle of writing a book.
		You have no idea what this book thing entails.
		It's incredible.
		Photographs, writing, writing, writing, writing.
		Oh, boy, it's really something to do.
		And I'm in the very difficult stages of it right now.
		How many of you have tried to remember your incidents and things in your early childhood?
		Can you?
		Can you remember?
		I can remember a couple of things from the crib.
		That was pretty good, huh?
		From the crib.
		I can actually remember that.
		I wonder if that's good or bad.
		Probably good.
		So anyway, there it is, the saga of the cat.
		And as I say, my life has a lot going on in it.
	So I'm very pleased, very pleased, and I'm sure many of you are who probably don't want to hear any more about it.
	So we got him.
	Or her.
unidentified		Shhh.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from July 4th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		the 4th of July.
		Now, in case you're wondering, we're here live.
		A lot of other shows, or even most, are issuing repeated versions.
		I choose not to do that on holidays.
		I would prefer to be here.
		And so here I am.
		219 and still kicking.
		The USA indeed turned 219 today.
		It was marked by the usual parades, fireworks, celebrations, that sort of thing.
		As a matter of fact, here are, I don't usually do this, but these are some pretty interesting facts about this 4th of July.
		This 4th of July, 31.8 million of you out there are out on the streets driving.
		Many of you at this hour.
		Drive safely.
		It's a lot of people.
		Gas prices, accordingly, have gone up to the highest point at this time of the year in years.
		An average of 1.22.8 cents per gallon.
		65% of all gas stations have been open, taking advantage of the 31.8 million drivers.
		80,000 tons of pork ribs have been or are being consumed.
		Get this, 115 million pounds of fireworks will go off, costing $300 million.
		$300 million up in smoke.
		But we're having fun, right?
		These fireworks will injure over 9,000 people.
		75% of that number will be men.
		Not exactly sure what that means.
		But probably all it means is that, as a general rule, women enjoy going back and watching fireworks and are scared to death of them.
		And so most men set them off.
		It does not mean, as the Snide anchor on NBC seemed to imply by his refusal to comment on this, that men are dumber than women when it comes to fireworks.
		I mean, more guys set off fireworks.
		Girls just, they like watching.
		Ooh, you know, that's pretty.
		But they don't enjoy lighting the fuse and running.
		Now, that's the fun part of it.
		Lighting the fuse and running.
		Or if you're a real fool, do what I usually do, and that's get a Coke bottle and launch bottle rockets holding it in your hand.
		You know, and you end up with sort of a blackened, singed hand when it's all over.
		Or they blow up in your face.
		Guys are possibly dumber.
		Fireworks are banned in 10 of the U.S. states.
		Elsewhere, varying forms of them are legal.
		Here in my county in Nevada, we have legal bang-type fireworks.
		We are one of the few where you can still buy those.
		Matter of fact, they've got one firework place here.
		It sells them year-round.
		Tells you how big they are here.
		So there you have it, July 4th.
		The question, of course, we're 219 now.
		How much older do you think we will get?
		It's a good question.
		The people of Oklahoma City used the day to thank America for all the help given during the tragedy there.
		The American flag in Oklahoma City raised to full staff again for the first time today.
		Now, you'll recall immediately after the bombing, our president said justice would be swift, certain, and severe.
		And that was the solace some of the victims' families in Oklahoma were taking today.
		I would like to ask you if you think, in fact, justice will be swift, fast, in other words, certain and severe.
		I think all three categories are not necessarily likely.
		Swift, well, it's already moving very slowly.
		Trial will probably take forever, citing O.J. Certain.
		Is it certain you get a conviction when you kill your parents with a shotgun?
		No.
		No.
		Is it certain you get a conviction when you are accused of killing your wife and some other guy?
		No, not at all certain.
		So is justice certain?
		No.
	Severe?
	Well, that depends on whether it is certain, doesn't it?
	I imagine if there would be a conviction, yes, that part of it might be true.
	It would be severe.
unidentified		There would be a severe sentence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm getting a lot of information, background information, on the bombing in Oklahoma City, and I'm going to hold it for now.
		KPOC Television in Punk City, Oklahoma, along with General Parton, I understand, a nuclear and a nuclear expert, and that should suggest something to you,
		are preparing a special that will air, and there is a lot of talk of an independent investigation in Oklahoma.
		A lot of people want it, including the legislature there, and maybe that will help us get to the bottom of this.
		Who knows?
		A problem for the president?
		Oh, here's a big one.
		This is a really big one.
		Bill Clinton, absolutely, positively, cannot get elected without carrying the state of California.
		Without California, Bill Clinton is nothing more than a, well, a new Arkansas resident, I guess.
		California will very likely not re-elect Bill Clinton if he closes McClellan Air Force Base, and herein lies a big problem.
		No president has ever ruled against the very much non-political commission that was set up to decide which military bases should close.
		No president has dared interfere with their verdict yet.
		Now, at stake, many thousands of jobs near Sacramento, which will be gone.
		And as a result, there will be many angry, very angry, voters.
		During a recent visit to California, that area, President Clinton all but promised to keep the base open.
		Now, the White House, desperate, is beginning to talk about some kind of deal.
		In other words, that will then maybe we'll close the base.
		But many of the 11,000 jobs that would be lost would, he said, be passed on to the private sector and remain in California.
		It is indeed a desperate attempt to save California jobs and President Clinton's job.
		They had a rally near Sacramento, and one of the signs that somebody was holding up caught my attention.
		It said simply, McLellan 95, as in McClellan Air Force Base, McClellan 95, Clinton 96.
		Subtle, huh?
		Nobody likes the compromise.
		The people in California don't like it.
		The workers there say it's a joke.
		There's no guarantee that once the base closes, those jobs will stay in California at all.
		Many have left, and many companies leave California because the cost of doing business there doesn't make you want to stay.
		So they say that's no kind of compromise.
		Phil Graham, up in New Hampshire right now, slammed the president for playing politics with base closings.
		Now, to give you an idea of the seriousness of the problem for the White House, California Democrats say the stakes are much higher if he doesn't keep McLellan open.
		In other words, he's going to lose the presidency.
		Either he messes with the base closing verdict or he's going to lose.
		Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat, California said, echoed those sentiments, saying, quote, absolutely, absolutely, he can't win the presidency without California.
		If he tries to save McClellan Air Force Base, he would in fact be the first president to inject politics into base closings.
		If he doesn't, it's a one-way ticket to Little Rock.
		So I'm sure that you sympathize with this president's political dilemma.
		My question to you is, what do you think he will do?
		I ask you again, what do you think he will do?
		Do you think he will order McLellan, rather, closed, doing, quote, the right thing, end quote?
		Or do you think that he will cave into the incredible political pressure of the possible loss of California if he just closes it up?
		So then he will keep it open, thinking he will keep his job.
		The problem with that is everybody else, except the people near Sacramento, of course, who have personal feelings about all of this, everybody else all around the rest of the country is going to look at this president and say, what a lizard, what a chameleon.
		Man, this guy will do anything to keep his job.
unidentified		And of course, these people would be correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He will, as you know, do anything to keep his job.
		So I'm betting he tries to keep it open.
		I think for him it will be a very dangerous thing to do.
		Well, it's dangerous either way, frankly.
		Mysterious fumes have overcome more people at Tokyo's main railway station again Wednesday.
		Police say they found a device.
		Get this, folks.
		A device that would have unleashed cyanide gas at a nearby subway station.
		Police said the device could have killed thousands of travelers, as many as 8,000.
		Good Lord.
		8,000.
		So, you know, you think we've got trouble here, and we do, but that's big trouble.
		That's somebody trying to, well, of course, we had mass murder here, too, didn't we?
		Oklahoma.
		I wonder if the Japanese virginity is about gone.
unidentified		Cultural virginity, if you will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
		Every Japanese newscast when I was in Tokyo, and I was in the subway system, don't think I didn't think about it in Tokyo.
		I was very much in it for quite a while.
		And I thought about it.
		It's very clean, very beautiful, and apparently now very dangerous.
		So has their cultural virginity gone now?
		Yeah, I think it's on the way.
		Ah, the price of modern society.
		And that brings me very nicely into my next topic, which is the Unibomber.
		A Berkeley University professor has now responded to a letter, the big manifesto that the Unibomber has sent out to now the Times, The Post, Guciani, and now this Berkeley professor.
		And so he responded, his name is Professor Tom Tyler.
		And he said in an open letter to the Unibomber published in the San Francisco Chronicle that he, quote, shares the Unibomber's concerns about modern life, but noted that violence makes people resist change, end quote.
		And I was wondering, you know, all the Unibommers' deeds, evil deeds aside, how many of you would also say you share the Unabomber's concerns about modern life?
		From the internet to movies and television, pollution, deforestation, whatever your concerns are, computers, about modern life, and there's a lot to be concerned with, not all bad.
		Would you say you share his concerns?
		And to what degree?
		I mean, here's a guy who has killed over it, apparently.
		And so to what degree do you share his concerns?
		I'm sure not enough to go out and bomb anybody.
		But do you have some sympathy with the apparent contents, or the alleged contents, since I have not seen them, of his wordy manifesto that the Post or New York Times may publish?
		I'm Art Bell, and we'll be right back.
unidentified		This is Premier Networks.
		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just about ready to rock.
		This fact's just in.
		Art Clinton will interfere with the base closings in California only long enough to be able to promise that the related jobs will not be lost.
		Then, hopefully, the people in their wisdom will remember his lack of credibility and vote against him anyway.
		So there you are.
		From a magazine called Earth Systems Monitor, an article entitled NGDC monitors frequency of recent destructive tsunami events.
		It begins in a way I thought, you know, we have this constant discussion about earthquake frequency and all the rest of it.
		And here's a little more evidence.
		The last three years have seen an unusual, apparent increase in the frequency of destructive tsunami events.
		First, a group of three very destructive tsunamis occurred in the months between September of 92 and July of 93, resulting in more than 1,300 deaths.
		After an 11-month period, a second series of five destructive tsunamis began in June of 94.
		No other 2.3-year period since the turn of the century has had eight destructive tsunamis.
		So I just thought you would all be interested in hearing that little bit of quickening info.
		And somebody sent this facts, a good topic for discussion.
		I do not believe this made the national news.
		And I should hasten to add, I can't, I have no way of knowing if this is true.
		Okay?
		We'll confirm it.
		But here we go.
		I do not believe this made the national news.
		President Clinton spent a portion of his day losing, quote, his money, end quote, my money, your money, gambling it away on the riverboat casinos here in Kansas City.
		I'm not sure this is appropriate for the President of the USA to take part in gambling, being there are a lot of voters who oppose this type of thing.
		Could it be he picked Kansas City to do this thing because it's Bob Dole country, and he knows the voters here will most likely not vote for him anyway?
		So can anybody confirm that?
		Was the president really gambling on July 4th on a riverboat in Kansas City?
		No kidding.
		Anyway, it may not be true.
		It's a fact.
		I mean, who knows?
		People in Kansas City know, I guess.
		Foxer is definitely right, though.
		It's not known nationally.
		I haven't heard it.
unidentified		All right, one other little item.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In preparation for doing this book that I'm doing, I had my mom, who did a great deal of work, rescue all kinds of articles about her early Marine Corps career.
		God, photographs, family, photographs and everything.
		And She did a wonderful job, and I got this giant package of stuff.
		And I'm a computer enthusiast, as you know, and I do a lot of photo scanning now of my own.
		And I've become fairly good what I do.
		And here comes this picture of my dad on Guadalcanal.
		He was in the 1st Marine Division that hit Guadalcanal.
		And there was a picture of him with his rifle in fatigues, with his cap, Marine cap.
		It's got all kinds of camouflage-type stuff sticking out of it, looking for all the world like John Wayne.
		And I spent a couple of hours reviving this picture, and I have brought it back to life.
		It is, no doubt, one that's going to be published in the book, but I thought I would put a little teaser up there.
		It's such a cool picture that if anybody wants it, it's up on our bulletin board as of right now.
		And it is titled Dad D A D M, which stands for Marine, .gif.
		Dad M.G.I.F.
		And I would love to talk to one of you who manages to download it and get a good look at it and call me up and tell me if that isn't John Wayne.
		I mean, he's got a John Wayne look to him.
		He also related, well, there's plenty of newspaper articles in there about my dad's views on the battle at Guadalcanal, and he was very much in the thick of it.
		At any rate, that photograph is on our Bulletin Board Service.
		Bear in mind, this is a very, although I did a pretty good job, but it's a very old, very old photograph.
		And I'd just be interested in what you think, and you can take a look at him, see if he looks like me.
		Hi there.
		On the West of the Rockies line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		I'm honored.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good morning.
unidentified		I'm getting to appreciate how vast your listenership is.
		It's really hard to get in.
		But this is Portland.
		My name is Mediana.
		I've called you a few other times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		A couple of things.
		I wanted to respond to the gentleman that called yesterday from Hawaii, and he seemed thoroughly confused as to why Serbia doesn't want the UN to leave in Bosnia.
		There's three basic reasons.
		They get indirect help with ethnic cleansing.
		They go into a town and say, you know, you get these people out of here or we'll shoot them.
		They get food and medicine either by hijacking the trucks or the UN gives them a percentage of what they get.
		And most importantly, as long as the UN is there, they don't get bombed.
		So that's basically it in a nutshell.
		I don't know if that's too simple.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So, yeah, it's going to be tough.
		If we have to go and pull the UN out.
unidentified		We won't.
		I mean, Clinton doesn't want to touch this with a tense with full.
		He's trying to ignore it, which is really stupid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but he can't, though.
		Because, you know, a lot of the people who call and say this man owes a lot of his allegiance to the UN.
		These people are right.
unidentified		I think what he'll do is he'll just tell the Europeans not to ask, okay?
		Or create a crisis of some kind where he kind of does something that looks okay.
		But my other thing on the alien.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I bet you he's already telling them, please don't ask.
unidentified		Don't ask.
		This is a change of subject, but on your alien line, thank you.
		I was trying for days to get it in.
		But one person called in and it piqued my curiosity, you can answer this off the air.
		He asked you if some of them were real and whether you thought they were.
		And you said a few of them really gave you the heebie-jeebies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did say that.
unidentified		If you could elaborate on a couple or maybe give me an idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, well, all right.
		You know, not really.
		I mean, you had to hear it.
		I've had the alien line open, I don't know, the last year, maybe, half dozen times, I would say.
		And a couple of those times, a couple called in that sounded, frankly, real.
		I mean, either they were great actors or they were aliens.
		Who knows?
		Who knows?
		I just open the alien line and I see what I get.
		But yeah, there were a couple that giving you the particulars wouldn't be easy.
		You know, the actual things they said, it was more the way they said it and the sound of the voice and the sincerity and all the rest of it.
		The aliens we had on the alien line the other night were rank amateurs.
		We might have had one good one or two good ones, but most of them were, I don't know.
		Sounded like they were celebrating the fourth early or something.
		So you just take what you get on the alien line.
		You never know.
		Night tonight.
		Just like the rest of the lines.
		You never know.
		Night tonight.
		Wild card line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Bob Coleman from Redondo Beach.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Bob.
unidentified		Hi, how you doing?
		I can make this real short.
		You mentioned about the guy who built the Lear jet mentioned about the light at the end of the tunnel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John Lear.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I had a weird experience.
		I'm going to write you about it, but to make it real short, it was actually outside Las Vegas.
		There was blinking lights, and I was with the person drive us probably to crazy.
		And all of a sudden we realized, you know, we started saying we're in another dimension.
		Time seems to have stopped.
		And everybody's blinking lights.
		And I said, that's the light.
		And my inclination was to go for it.
		And he stopped, which really surprised me.
		And then all of a sudden, when he stopped, it became normal.
		And it became normal.
		It looked like there was an accident with police action and everything else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		And he stopped.
		And it became normal, like, even more alluring when he stopped to turn around.
		And I go, look, there's streets up here.
		He goes, no, no.
		He goes, it's a trick.
		And sure enough, when he made the U-turn, I looked back and there was nothing there.
		And I said, why didn't you go for it?
		He goes, because nobody invited us.
		He goes, I knew we were all right where we were.
		Well, well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know, though, that if you had not gone forward, you'd have gone to the land of light, and by turning around, you have returned to hell?
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		I would have went for the light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thanks for the story, sir.
		There are those who think that this is hell on earth.
		You know, this is hell.
		things can only get better from here.
		It's sort of a kind of an attitude, but...
		On the West of the Rockies line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Our Bell.
unidentified		Jerry in Sacramento.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
		Good morning.
		I found a little cat yesterday, and it kind of reminded me of your experience.
		I got 20 cans of salmon on the back porch.
		I don't want animals in the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You put how many cans?
unidentified		I've got 20 cans of salmon, chum salmon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You put 20 cans of salmon on the back porch?
unidentified		No, they're in the storage room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		And they were given to me.
		And the kids were throwing this small kitten around, you know, and throwing it around?
		Yeah, they were throwing it around, so I went out and got him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I saw a kid throw a cat.
unidentified		And so I put him on the back, you know, when he animals in the house, because, you know, the shed and everything else.
unidentified		And the cats have a way of, you know, marking their territory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		So I got him on the back porch, put him in an old blanket.
		I fed him some salmon, and he just inhaled the salmon.
		And he crawled right up in the little blanket on the chair back there.
		And he slept there like, you know, he was at peace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now he is yours.
		He's your cat.
		Good luck.
		He's now your responsibility.
		I believe in fate.
		Do you believe in fate?
		I believe in fate.
		Not predestination so much.
		There is a difference, I believe, between predestination and fate.
		And I do believe in fate.
		And it was fate that brought this cat to me.
		Fate that placed him under my house.
		And fate that I've got him now.
		And so he is my cat.
		He is now my responsibility as that little furball is now your time.
unidentified		Thank you.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from July 4th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back to the lines.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air, hike.
unidentified		Whoa, how are you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am doing fine.
unidentified		219 years old.
unidentified		Can you believe it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can believe it.
		I mean, you know, that's not actually very old for a country.
		It sounds impressive to somebody who only lives to be 70 or 80, but it's not.
		For a country, it's not old.
unidentified		Well, this is Nomad from Beaverton, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Beaverton.
unidentified		They nicknamed me Nomad.
		But anyways, I guess we have lost our cultural virginity.
		I could say that.
		I mean, as a matter of fact, this morning I was watching TV and...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It just seemed about right.
		I mean, the Japanese seem like they are in the process right now of losing their cultural virginity.
		And they really had it.
		Japanese were serious cultural virgins.
		But modern life and pressure and all the rest of it obviously has descended on Japan.
		They've got the Subway people.
		We've got the Unibomber.
		Anyway.
unidentified		I have to tell you something.
		Tell me what you think of this.
		A close, very close friend of mine she got pregnant about two months ago.
		She's only 16.
		And she went and got tested at a health clinic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And right after the test that was confidential, they didn't tell her parents.
		She's only 16.
		The nurse told her that they can actually offer her an abortion for $35 because she couldn't afford it.
		That was one of her choices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you have any idea who the dad is?
unidentified		Oh, I'm a very good friend of the dad, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very good friend of yours, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, that's right.
unidentified		And she finally got the courage to tell him about a week ago that she was pregnant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Told this good friend of yours a week ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what is your good friend's reaction?
unidentified		Well, you know, oh, the dad?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		Well, he didn't really want to go and get an abortion.
		He kind of was shocked with it.
		You know, I mean, it was this sweet little angel.
		And all of a sudden she comes up to him and says, Dad, I'm pregnant.
		But he, you know, he didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
		No, you're missing my point.
		Not her dad.
		I'm sure he'd be upset.
		No.
		The dad of the father of the child, as it were?
unidentified		Oh, oh, oh, okay.
		Well, he, you know, is taking responsibility for it.
		Kind of had a talk with him about it a couple of weeks ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, what does that mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that mean he wants to have the child or he's going to provide the 30 bucks?
unidentified		Well, no, he wants to have the child.
		He doesn't want to get an abortion.
		That's absolutely out of the picture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		We're more on a conservative side than a liberal side.
unidentified		It just shocked me that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me give you my answer.
		I would give absolutely, in this case, not one word of advice.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Sam from Washington, Kentucky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Got a suggestion?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Take a picture of Ghost, scan it, put it up on your BBS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've already done it.
unidentified		Great, great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, you know the picture that I took?
		I'll tell you.
		This will strike everybody as horrendously egotistical, but it was just meant to be funny.
		Ghost is now, as I Told you on the bathroom floor with a newspaper down in the cage with food and water.
		So I went in and I put my foot on the cage and gave the fist of power sign while my wife took the photograph.
		Maybe I'll put that one up on the side.
unidentified		And unfortunately, yes, the UN did lead our parade here in Lexington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you've got to be kidding.
unidentified		No, sir, I'm not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was the reception like?
unidentified		I'll be honest with you, I worked third shift.
		I did not, by the time I got up, the parade was over, so I didn't really get to catch it.
		There was nothing about it on the evening news.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's totally disgusting.
		You know, why didn't I hear about this last night, darn it?
		I asked.
		I said, is it true?
unidentified		I tried.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You tried, yeah.
		I understand.
		So the UN led your 4th of July celebration parade in Lexington, Kentucky.
unidentified		The mayor figured she could kill two birds with one stone.
		Some kind of anniversary or something for the UN.
		She figured she could combine them both, I guess, try to save the city a little money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you've got to be kidding.
unidentified		No, sir, I'm not.
unidentified		I wish I were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I wonder if they'll want to change the name of the day eventually to International Day?
		Maybe?
		How about that?
		Independence Day International Day?
		The day sort of kind of rolls right off tongue, same way there.
		Independence Day International Day.
unidentified		I'd like to make an apology.
unidentified		I had trouble connecting to your BBS, and I heard you make a statement the other day about it might be your comm software.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I said to myself, ah, he's full of it.
		Well, I tried.
		Now I can connect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, there you are.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you very much.
		I appreciate that.
		A lot of people think I'm full of it, sir.
		And to some degree, I probably am.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		Yes.
		This is Shannon in Spokane, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Spokane, K-G-A.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		And, uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's no question about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's in there.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going to the vet in the morning.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		And my family has mice living around our house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mice?
unidentified		Mice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then you need a cat living under your house.
unidentified		Well, we have four cats, but they're living right next to where the dog we have lives, and so the cats won't go in there and get the mice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what good are they?
unidentified		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		We like them.
		We've had them for years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I understand.
unidentified		But we have mice traps that work a lot like the traps that you had for your cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, it was so satisfying.
unidentified		The mouse comes in, you know, and it's way closest to the door.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then what do you do with the mouse when you cache it?
unidentified		I take it over to the...
unidentified		Well, yeah, sort of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I've got to run.
		We're way out of time here.
		Yeah, I've trapped a couple of mice, and I don't kill them.
		I generally put them in a little bottle with a hole punched in it and carry them as far away as I can from my house and let them run free in the field.
		I don't believe in killing.
		I just don't.
		And I know that puts me at odds with many, but to me, life is life, and it is really precious, and I really mean it.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		More Somewhere in Time coming up.
		Thank you.
		Premier Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		tonight featuring coast to coast a m from the fourth of july nineteen ninety five well now we're a hundred nineteen going on a hundred and i It's hard to think of those sorts of ages, isn't it?
		Even though it's short, it's long compared to human life.
		219 years for a nation.
unidentified		We're but a kitten.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A kitten in nationhood.
		Talking about anything you want to talk about, I've got about 12 topics out on the table.
		I'll roll them past again in about another hour.
		For now, back to the lines directly.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes.
		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm calling from KSFO territory in Northern California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		San Francisco.
unidentified		Yeah, I was just calling to point out this, even though I'm certainly on the side of people in our area that need jobs and people that work for military bases, this notion of Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer and Clinton engaging this political shekinery over base closing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I heard Feinstein yesterday say, absolutely, absolutely, the president cannot win without California.
		Now, he's between a rock and a very hard place, indeed.
		What does he do?
		Does he close McClellan, or does he, for the first time in all of history, tamper politically with the non-political base closing commission for his own hide?
		You know what I think?
		I think he loses either way.
unidentified		Yeah, I think he mismanaged it.
		But it's really like some of these people like we call her Sweinstein up here.
		But when she was mayor, you know, they didn't want this battleship based in San Francisco.
		All these people, they were saying, well, we hate the military, blah, blah, blah.
		But now that these defense contractors and bases are closing, you know, and they're losing tax revenue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's their tune.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's why they call them politicians.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, have a happy 4th of July.
		And personally, I mean, with what you were pointing out about China selling weapons and North Korea selling weapons, I think we need to keep our military strong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point of view.
		There's a good argument that we're going too far with the base closings.
		And frankly, I think that is a good argument.
		It is not, however, the president's dilemma.
		Personally, he doesn't much like the military.
		Everybody knows that.
		I'm sure he'd just soon see a close.
		Has nothing to do with that.
		Has to do with his political future.
		He's got to have California.
		Without California, the man is nothing but another guy from Arkansas, you know.
		Well, that's not true.
		He'd be ex-president.
		But he's got to have California.
		Now, if he closes the base, people in California are going to be truly upset with him.
		And he'll probably lose California and the presidency.
		On the other hand, if he keeps the base open and messes around politically with what a non-political committee has decided, then he's going to be seen as a guy saving his own political hide.
		But then, on the other hand, that's never bothered him before.
		So it's a real dilemma.
		What do you think the president will do?
		Will he opt to save McLellan or his own hide?
		Well, actually, it's one and the same.
		Or maybe it is.
		I mean, there is the rest of the country, and they could see this as a very, very partisan political manipulation of the military for political gain type decision.
		So, I don't know.
		I think he loses either way.
		It breaks my heart.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can barely hear you, sir.
unidentified		Yes, this is Don from Austin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don from Austin, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, you've got to get a better phone down there, Don.
unidentified		Well, I'm at work here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just talk right into it.
unidentified		All right.
		Art, I enjoy your show.
		Thank you.
		A while back, you told a caller that you considered yourself a futurist?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think so, to some degree, I guess, yes.
unidentified		And I was wondering, A, do you also consider yourself a survivalist?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And B, I mean, in other words, I want to be careful here.
		I am a survivalist.
		In other words, to me, having certain things on hand for an emergency is not exactly the way you think of a survivalist.
		You know, I don't go marching about in fatigues waiting for the big one.
		But I've got medical supplies.
		I've got food supplies.
		I've got weapons.
		I've got the things that somebody would need if they needed them, if you know what I mean.
		So I think it's just practical.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And second part to that, I was wondering, how does ham radio, how do you think ham radio fits into that picture?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very well, thank you.
		In other words, yeah, I'm a ham radio operator.
		In any disaster, in any disruption, for all of history, you know, we've had hams.
		Hams have been an integral part of it.
		Many times when no other communication gets out, I mean no other, hams do.
		End of story.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I was just curious about that because I was considering getting into that as a hobby.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a wonderful hobby, sir.
		Thank you.
		You know what I would like to do, and maybe somebody up in the Bay Area Commission, the FCC, would be kind enough to send me some sort of response on this.
		I would like to do one night a show on ham radio.
		But you know me, I don't want to do it the way everybody else has done it.
		And I am very fortunate, many of you may not know, I broadcast from my home.
		And in my room, I have it divided into three segments.
		One segment, one side of the wall, is all a broadcast studio, the one I'm speaking from right now.
		The second half of the room is my ham setup.
		And the third is my computer setup.
		And I've got a sort of a little runway that my wife built.
		I'm not good mechanically.
		I'm good electrically or, you know, with things electronic.
		But I'm not worth a damn mechanically.
		My wife used to be a carpenter.
		So she built me a runway of very thick plywood covered with the kind of tile you'd find in your kitchen.
		And I've got a little chair, and I can literally move.
		Well, here, it gives you an idea.
		Watch this.
		There.
		Now I'm sitting in front of my ham station, and I've got a nice long cord on my mic, and here I am back at the broadcast.
		So it's that close.
		And I thought it would be really fun and fun for the listeners if we could actually hook up, and I could, I could hook up the audio output of my ham rig and bring it directly here into the board and put it on the air.
		And I could go on the air on 75 meters, probably at this time of night, and talk to some hams Out there and put them on the air with you.
		The only catch in this is that I'm not sure it's legal.
		So I would like to get a ruling from the Commission on whether something like that would be legal to do.
		And if it is, then I think I just might do it.
		Wouldn't that be fun?
unidentified		Square
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from July 4th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Coast to Coast AM East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I just turned my radio down there.
		Don't want to let that interfere.
		My name's Paul.
		I'm in the New Haven area listening to 1300.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New Haven, Connecticut.
unidentified		That's us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, excellent.
unidentified		Congratulations on your cat.
		I sent you a fax a few nights back.
		I'm not sure if you got that.
		I'd mention a little television show that I run.
		I'm not going to say that on the air, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I did get it.
		Yes.
		Okay, just making sure.
unidentified		Enjoy your show quite a bit.
		We'll do it here every night.
		I do the night shift over at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, your photograph comes through quite well on FAC.
unidentified		Did that look good?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		Did you say that you also have a bulletin board system that you run yourself?
		Oh, no.
		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I'm not that dumb.
		I ran one for years.
		I know what's entailed.
unidentified		Oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a man across town, very nice guy, here in town in Brump, who is running it.
		It's a multi-node system.
		It's really hot stuff.
unidentified		I see.
unidentified		Yeah, I just called up to make you aware, too, that there's like a chat group on the Internet also that people are pretty much discussing you on there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I've heard.
		There's an IRC chat group.
		And go ahead and tell them, how do you get to it?
unidentified		Well, I get to it from a connection, a local host connection.
		I call up and use my modem through my computer, which is a cheesy little computer.
		I won't even mention the name of that.
		But I guess other people can get their Internet connections through universities or wherever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but I mean, once on the is it on the web?
unidentified		Well, actually, the group is on Internet Related, which is the Internet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		IRC, yeah.
unidentified		Yep, IRC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How would they get to it?
unidentified		They connect to a server.
		The way that I do it is I just type in server and then I think mine goes to Boston University.
		And once they connect with the server, a screen comes up showing them the various areas that they can enter.
		And it's a pretty interesting thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, what do you type to get to my group is what I'm asking.
unidentified		What do I type?
		I think it was art ART-BEL.
		And you always have to put a little number before it, so it's like number sign art-bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		And that's how they find their way out to your group.
		How did you get the cat, by the way?
		I only started listening to you about 20 minutes ago.
		Well, I'm sorry.
		Maybe you'll cover that later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I promise I'll cover it at the beginning of the next hour.
unidentified		That'll be fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, because we have several main groups that come in.
		So in order not to have to say it too many times, I'll retell the story at 1 o'clock, and that should take care of matters.
		So if you're dying of curiosity to hear the cat story, I'll tell it one more time at 1 a.m.
		I may even provide a demonstration.
		We'll see.
		I've been thinking about that.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		West of the Rockies.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		I had a question concerning logging onto your computer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I always get knocked off in about 12 minutes.
unidentified		I was wondering if you could tell me how I can go somewhere on that thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what speed modem do you have?
unidentified		Oh, 2400.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we'll see.
		That's your first problem.
		Now, they allow everybody in there for something like 15 minutes free once a day.
		If you want more time, you join.
		It's $10 or something, big deal, for a year.
		That gets you a lot more time.
		In the meantime, what you could do is to get a real modem.
		Now, I don't mean to insult your 2400, but that technology went by many years ago.
unidentified		Well, that sounds like a good answer to my question because the first, very, very first time I got on, it said I could stay on 30 minutes, and I downloaded your biography.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I was going to check out some of your pictures, your gift files, you know.
		Right.
		And next time, like last night, I was on there and I couldn't get out of that first menu there.
		So I didn't know how to do that.
		And then when I left the email, I tried calling tonight and it said didn't have any time.
		It wouldn't even let me check the mail or nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
unidentified		I don't know.
		It disconnected me like in within a minute.
		So after logging.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Huh.
		Well, something must have happened.
		So I would say try again.
unidentified		I'll do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend.
		Thank you.
		There are many uncertain things in the world of bulletin boards and modems.
		And there are many modems out there.
		And there are not, you know, there is sort of a standard, but they're all a little bit different, and it makes it very difficult.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, sir.
unidentified		This is Kevin in Houston again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I've got to apologize for the other night I actually called twice.
unidentified		I don't know if you caught that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't.
unidentified		I just wanted to confess that.
unidentified		I promised not to do it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, eventually I'm pretty good with voices, so I would have caught you eventually.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I have a goofy little laugh that sometimes squeezes out of me that you might have recognized.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		your confession is good for the soul yeah um...
unidentified		i'm a uh...
unidentified		i had a question about And I have a mouse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, if there's a mouse in the house, and that's happened twice, my big 17-pound cat chases the mouse around and licks it.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, and then makes it run and chases it again and licks it some more.
		Doesn't want to eat it or kill it, just licks it and plays with it.
		So I let him catch the mouse, and then I get it in a little jar and I punch holes in the jar, and I take the jar as far away from the house as I can and turn it loose.
unidentified		I thought maybe you had a little mouse trap, that non-harming mouse trap that you used.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, the ones that are outside, I don't care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let them be outside.
unidentified		My girlfriend discovered a couple days ago that we have a little fellow running around the bedroom.
unidentified		Trying to figure out how to get rid of him without breaking his spine or anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not a good place to have one either.
unidentified		Yeah, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sleep well.
		I mean, all of a sudden you feel this little wiggly thing.
		Oh, man.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good luck with it.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Well, thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
unidentified		Oh, God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What an ugly thought.
		Can you imagine waking up in the middle of the night with a mouse in your bed?
		A little furry, wiggly thing sort of squiggling down your body in the middle of the night?
		We're talking a nightmare there.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, yeah, I'm in Hutchinson, Kansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that sounds like a good place.
unidentified		Okay, yeah, I just wanted to say, first of all, I'm 15 years old.
unidentified		I'm a ham radio operator as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you are?
unidentified		Yeah, I wanted to say that, yeah, I got the radio on here, so let me turn it down.
unidentified		Okay, I wanted to say, first of all, I heard about what you were talking about a little bit earlier, about whether or not it's legal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, I've heard different things, say, over, you know, 20 meter and such, of, you know, people will actually broadcast their show from there.
unidentified		Well, they're getting callers and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know, but you see, I'm going to do a complete cross between ham radio and commercial radio.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I need a ruling on that one.
unidentified		Yeah, okay.
		Yeah, it sounds like a great idea.
		I just want to say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would be a great way to promote ham radio.
		It would be a lot of fun.
		The people I would talk to would be well aware they were on the air.
		So if I were the commission, I'd let me do it.
		But I don't know if they will.
		So somebody in the commission send me a fax or something.
unidentified		Okay, yeah.
		Just want to say it sounds like a great idea, and I'm a big fan of your show and of Dreamland.
		So I'll try to catch it whenever I can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm a fan, too.
unidentified		Okay, well, thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		I really am.
		I mean, that's why I do it, because it's fun.
		That's why I do this, because it's fun.
		Hey, listen, if there's anybody, one of the FCC people out there.
		Yes, I know you listen.
		Of course they listen.
		There's anybody in the FCC out there who can tell me whether that's something I can legally do, I'd appreciate it.
		If I can, I will.
		You'll enjoy it.
		Doing it that way, actually putting them on the air so you could hear them, would be a real kick.
		I just don't know if it's legal, and I don't want to stick my neck out.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Cedar Spring, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I'd like to talk about the base closing situation that Bill Clinton finds himself in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, what a dilemma.
unidentified		Okay, well, here's what I think of it, and then I'll tell you what I think he should do.
		I think that if he goes ahead and manipulates it and gets the civilian jobs there in California and actually changes the decision, it will not hurt him in other states because the people who are against him are already going to vote against him because, you know, the gay's in the military, he's a communist, he's a draft Dodger, the Gatton Nasser.
		They've got many reasons to vote against him already.
		So he's not going to pick up any that way.
		He might have an effect in California.
		And the competing base that was closed between McClellan was the one in San Antonio, this Kelly Air Force Base, and he's already lost Texas to the Republican, probably Pat Buchanan.
		So he gains everything by going ahead and doing his little deal and trying to do what he's going to do to get the jobs in California.
		But here's the suggestion I have for Bill Quick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Real quick.
unidentified		Okay, get these other bases, the empty ones, and put barbed wire on them.
unidentified		Get some helicopters, paint them black, and then round up the nuts that call into some of these talk radio shows and make their self-fulfilling promising.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but sir, remember, you might be the first to hear the whirling blades.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
unidentified		This is Premier Networks.
		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
		The End
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from July 4th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gee, from one of my board ops, Vincent, Mr. Bell, good morning, sir.
		I've been your board operator at WDUNAM55 in Gainesville, Georgia, ever since we became an affiliate.
		I'd like to know who do I have to get in touch with to become part of your team.
		Well, actually, I don't have a team.
		Well, I have my wife.
		That's it.
		Now, there is, of course, the network, and you are welcome to contact the network.
		Alan Corbeth loves talking to aspiring talk show hosts.
		Alan Corbeth is the boss guy there.
		The base closure committee, ART, this is from Cliff in Santa Barbara, determined that the closing of McLellan Air Force Base would save between $11 and $21 million annually.
		This savings to the federal government is minuscule compared to the loss that would be suffered by the state of California.
		You are using the issue to grind your axe with the president.
		No, I'm not.
		No, that's not true.
		I'm actually enjoying it.
		Now, that's not axe grinding.
		Enjoyment is not axe grinding.
		I see the president with an insurmountable no-win situation, and I am genuinely enjoying it.
		Well, I guess that might be axe-grinding.
		Anyway, you're using this, blah, blah, blah.
		California is still suffering from the lingering residue of the failed Republican economic strategy of the 80s and the removal of defense funds in the 90s.
		If you want to address a real issue, why not talk about the $250 billion in funds that the Pentagon did not ask for that was pushed through Congress by a Republican committee chairman whose home district is reaping over 90% of the money?
		Don't get the idea that I'm a liberal with an axe to grind.
		No.
		I'm an independent who's tired of both parties and their spokesman stirring up emotions and preventing the honest debate of both parties' failed policies.
		You are quick to show the cynicism of the left, as it should be.
		But don't ignore the cynicism and false conservatism of the right.
		Just days after Dole lashed out at Times Warner, he sponsored a bill for them and the other media giants.
		This is the nastiest kind of cynicism.
		Love Dreamland, love the alien line, be a bit more balanced in your criticisms.
		They were not so much criticisms, frankly.
		Yes, they were.
		I've got to be honest.
		You see, if the president closes the base, he loses California, good likelihood.
		Even Feinstein yesterday said he can't win without California, so he loses.
		Now, on the other hand, if he interferes with the base closing order, he'll be seen to be playing a political game for personal gain.
		Now, it may be that America is so used to seeing our president do that that they won't even flinch.
		But I would think that most of America would say, my God, here a non-political committee decides to close a base and you, Mr. President, save your own hide, keep it open.
		So they'd be upset with him for that.
		They would see our president as acting to protect his own hide versus that of the country.
		So the way I figure it, he loses either way.
		And I'm going to enjoy watching what he does.
		So I guess you could translate that enjoyment that I'm feeling, that obvious warm, fuzzy political pleasure that it generates deep within my gut, axe grinding, in a sense.
		But it's just sort of enjoyment.
		West of the Rockies, you're on.
		Whoops, would have been on the air.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I'm glad you caught ghost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And I think he'll be happy in his new home, don't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that remains to be seen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you'd think so, wouldn't you?
unidentified		I would think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, would you rather live below my house?
unidentified		Nope.
		No.
		I would think he would be happy in your home in your home.
		Okay.
		I got a couple of international type things.
		You know, you mentioned that China's giving missiles to Iran?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, they're selling missiles to Pakistan and selling missile parts for the same missiles to Iran, yes.
unidentified		Missile parts for the same missiles to Iran.
unidentified		Why would that be?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, instead of selling home missiles, hell, I don't know.
unidentified		Okay, but I, you know, and then we've got Russia, who is building the reactor, you know, for Iran.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And these two, I guess something else too, though, these two arch enemies, Russia and China, you know, where they say that eventually they will merge into one large army, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think so.
unidentified		Well, that's what they say.
		And I don't know if it's in prophecy.
		I think it's impossible.
		And it looks like Israel, you know, will be the target of that.
		But then I find that there's something else.
		You know, John Major was given the vote of confidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he won.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a gamble, but he comes out on the other side stronger.
unidentified		I know.
		And I read where his kind of refusal to go along with this European currency kind of put him out of favor with the New World Art of Globalists, and they wanted to actually remove him.
		Right.
		And so it is hopeful that he did win the vote of confidence.
		It gives us hope anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe it gives Pat Buchanan some hope.
		All right, having seen Apollo 13 and listening to your comments about space exploration and where we've gone with it, I've done a lot of thinking.
		The country needs to rediscover the space program.
		The Jim Lovells, Neil Armstrong, and Buzz Aldrins of this country put their lives on the line for space exploration, and we have done absolutely nothing with it.
		They took the risk to give us knowledge, and we've spit on their contributions by not following through with the space program as it was invented.
		Gus Grissom and the crew of Gemini and the Challenger astronauts died for the idea of space exploration.
		And for what?
		So we can launch satellites for AT ⁇ T?
		I don't think so.
		Those who believe we need to solve our social problems on Earth before we continue out into space are not seeing the big picture.
		Though space exploration can, with it, we can solve our problems.
		Colonizing other planets will give us the breathing space we desperately need.
		It'll create jobs, prefabricated structures for houses, will need to be made on assembly lines.
		There'll be a demand for engineers, as they will need to invent things needed for survival on these planets we inhabit.
		The types of jobs which would be created by space exploration could be endless.
		You know, it wouldn't take that much for us to get going again.
		We don't need the competition from the Russians to spark us.
		As Jim Lovell said, going to the moon wasn't a miracle.
		We just decided to go.
		Eric.
		Right, Eric, I agree with you.
		And if we need something, a goal, to replace the Cold War, then I think space is perfect.
		What about a president who would stand up and say we're going to Mars and really mean it and begin to pour serious money into it?
		Well, a lot of people would complain.
		I would not be one of them.
		I would love to see that happen in my lifetime.
		The way the budget is progressing, I do not expect it.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
unidentified		Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Mr. Bell.
		This is Pete from Portland.
		Yes, sir.
		Oh, you know, Apozo 13?
		I saw that this weekend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody did, and I haven't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How was it?
unidentified		It's a great movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what everyone's saying.
unidentified		You know what?
		What?
		It has been doing great box office, but it is going to do better box office than the post-apocalyptic movies like Judge Dredd and this water world that's coming up.
		And you know why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		Because America's mood has changed, and we no longer are so frustrated we yearn for an apocalypse.
		I really believe that.
		I think the company's going to be able to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know it beat Pocahontas, and everybody thought that was going to do it.
unidentified		Hey, you know, I use one of those live traps, those plastic ones where the mouse goes in and the door shuts.
		Yeah.
		And what you do is you take them over to the toilet and make sure the toilet's running, and it's the undersea world of Mouse Cousteau.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's, you know, why, though?
unidentified		You got to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		They got fleas.
unidentified		They've got fleas and disease.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but yeah, but you don't have to touch the mouse.
unidentified		Yeah, that's right.
unidentified		I don't have to touch the mouse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		I think that's awful.
		I wouldn't flush a mouse.
		No, I wouldn't do that.
		The only thing I'd flush is a dead goldfish.
		And I consider that burial at sea.
		But a live mouse, I wouldn't.
		No, I wouldn't do that.
		Why do that?
		I mean, if you can trap them without getting disease, you know, get them in a bottle.
		I just let my cat, my cat catches them, and I just scoop them up in a bottle, and I take them out into the field and set them free.
		I mean, why would anybody want to flush a mouse down a toilet?
		I just, you know, a mouse, even a mouse is a life, right?
		I'm telling you, I think this is important.
		Now, it's only my personal view, and I know it clashes with hunters and clashes with all kinds of people out there.
		But to me, a life is a life, and I wouldn't kill a mouse.
		I'd never kill a mouse.
		I would feel guilty as hell if I killed a mouse.
		In other words, without some cause.
		Now, a mouse bit me or something, I might squish him.
		But, you know, your average running around, hey, I'm just a mouse trying to get a scrap here or there kind of mouse.
		I wouldn't kill him.
		I don't, you know, it's the senseless.
		There's no reason.
		You take him out into the field and there you go, mouse.
		Goodbye.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's me.
unidentified		Yeah, this is John from Camrio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, John.
unidentified		I wanted to let you know about carrying 75 meters on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		That would be crossbanding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		no it no it wouldn't was frustrating but Yes, well, I'm a former ham.
		Well, then you've forgotten a lot.
		Because that refers to the amateur bands.
		They're not commercial broadcasts.
unidentified		Well, unfortunately, I know JTL does shuttle audio down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I believe that permission to do that can be obtained.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, if I could do a show that way, you've got to admit it would be very interesting.
unidentified		Oh, I'd love it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I would just take the audio from the transceiver over here and wire it right into my board so you guys could really hear it.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Oh, I was wondering, if I want to go back and get my license, do I have to retake the test?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long has it been?
unidentified		Oh, about five years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think you're right at the limit.
		You may have passed it.
		You may have to go take the test again.
unidentified		action beam film.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da Did, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just said to you in Morse code, good luck.
unidentified		Okay, and congratulations on your cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, see you later.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		How are you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		From Northern California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And the other day he asked if there was still a secret space program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we were sort of toying with the idea.
unidentified		Oh, well, I talked to an astronaut from the secret space program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did?
unidentified		Yeah.
		He gave me this real short poem.
		It's about like 25 seconds.
		You want me to read it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not.
		I don't let poems go in the air.
		No.
		And besides, how do you know he was a secret astronaut?
unidentified		Well, he had a really good secret name, Henry Cavett Space Cabin, the third.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've been having a very wild fourth, haven't you?
unidentified		Well, yeah, I had a couple of viewers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir, I can tell.
		I have here what I call my Talcoholic meter.
		And it just took a big jump.
		People don't believe that.
		You see, there are more ways to measure one's alcoholic content than, you know, by going into something.
		It can even be done over the phone.
		It's my own personal invention.
		It's called the Talkaholic Meter.
		And so that's right.
		You've got it.
		I can tell.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Artist.
unidentified		I want you down a radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn down that radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just wait while he goes about a half mile.
unidentified		Oh, I'm back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		From Washington State, Orty.
		I'm limited.
		How are things going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every time somebody calls from Washington, it reminds me, in 11 minutes, we move from KVI to KOMO in Seattle.
unidentified		That's right.
		You know, I was sort of thinking about this Japanese trade environment, and it sort of reminds me of 1945 when before they started bombing Pearl Harbor, they had somebody in the White House debating peace with those guys.
		Remember that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Isn't that crazy?
unidentified		Might have it again, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean a real war?
unidentified		Well, not yet, Japan, but it seems like every time we start debating with Japan about something, they always do an end-run around this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think Pearl Harbor is relatively safe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got to understand the Japanese now have so much investment in Hawaii that it would be a poor idea to bomb their own...
unidentified		I was like a trade war again, that kind of scenario.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought the parallel you were drawing was the trade war and the peace talks versus the current possible trade war and turning into a hot war.
unidentified		No, no, I don't think we want that.
		I think it'll be turning back into a trade war is what I'm thinking.
		I see.
		Because of the way they are.
		Congratulations on your cat.
		I've really been paying attention to that.
		It's been really a fun story to listen to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you may get to hear more after 1 o'clock.
		Thank you.
		I may bring him in here.
		He's only 10 feet away, and I want to see how he's doing anyway, so I may bring him in here.
		If recent history is any teacher, you'll certainly be able to hear him.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello?
		Yes, this is Dennis from Silverdale, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dennis.
unidentified		You were talking about doing a show about the ham operator.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I would like to see you do something on the ground wave emergency network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
unidentified		That's the low-frequency government system.
unidentified		It transmits at very low frequency, 150 to 175 kilohertz.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, that's a long wave.
		Why would I want to do that?
		i mean that wouldn't be very interesting for the listeners well i think it would be interesting because this is the uh...
unidentified		uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		emergency network that the government would use in case of Ham radio, see, I can put that on the air, and I can actually, if I could get permission, and I could let the audience hear the person I'm talking to wherever they are.
		That'd be really interesting.
		there'd be a lot of audience participation but don't you think it would be interesting to uh...
unidentified		for people understand about the commercial networking case there will Well, and if other kinds of communication is out, then this is the system that the government would use to communicate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's great.
		So you just said it all, and we don't need to do a show on it.
		You just told us.
unidentified		Well, the problem is that there's not much information about how we can access the system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, okay, how do we do it?
unidentified		Well, I'm not sure.
unidentified		I've talked to the people at Crane, and they said that they have no receivers that pick up that frequency.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They've got receivers that go down to 100 hertz.
unidentified		Hmm.
unidentified		Well, the man that I talked to said that they didn't have anything that would do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They've even got one that goes down lower and can listen to the frequencies generated by the Earth itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you know that?
unidentified		No, I didn't know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mother Earth makes sounds.
unidentified		Well, yeah, I knew they made sounds, but I didn't know that they had anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they don't officially sell it.
		I probably shouldn't have even mentioned it, but they've got it.
		As a matter of fact, I've got one here.
		The Earth makes very interesting sounds, almost embarrassing sounds, would be how I'd phrase it.
		What do you think about that?
unidentified		Well, I think that's very interesting.
unidentified		And I will call C. Crane back and see if I can talk to someone who knows more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you talk to Bob Crane.
		Try and get Bob Crane himself if you want to talk about that.
		All right?
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		How low can you go?
		we'll be back and we'll find out here shortly.
unidentified		The trip back in time continues.
		With Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		More Somewhere in Time coming up.
		Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell somewhere in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And for all of you who are just joining us, good morning.
		Good to be with you.
		I'm Art Bell.
		And there are a lot of stations in the last couple of hours that came online.
		By now, everybody who's going to be there, pretty much, is there.
		So I feel obligated to tell this story one more time.
		I got my cat, folks.
		As you know, yesterday morning, the trap had not worked.
		And we had chicken, actually barbecued chicken in there.
		I mean, we're talking good chicken here.
		Chicken, I would like to have.
		But it didn't work.
		He didn't come out and didn't come out and didn't come out and didn't come out.
		And even after the show, I would keep checking.
		About every half hour, it was useless.
		Finally, at 11 o'clock in the morning, he wasn't even talking to us, right?
		At 11 o'clock in the morning, we brought the trap inside.
		And what we did is we smeared a little porched am tuna juice at the beginning of the trap.
		And then put a full can of tuna at the rear of the trap.
		That was at about 11 o'clock in the morning.
		Well, I slept until about 7, I think, this evening.
		Got up shortly before 7, actually, about a quarter to 7.
		And about five minutes before I got up, whap, the door shuts, and we got Ghost.
		Now, quite a victory, I would say.
		I'm exceptionally pleased about this.
		Ghost is now still in the trap.
		What we did is we brought, you know, the trap has a handle.
		It's a good big trap.
		And so we brought the trap in and laid down a whole bunch of newspaper on the bathroom floor, which is carpeted here, and put the trap on top of that, which, and then put a food and water bowl in the trap.
		And ghost will remain in the trap until morning, about seven or eight o'clock, as soon as I can get hold of a veterinarian, ghost will be going to the vet, where ghost will get examined, cleaned, given shots, given tests.
		All the things that you've got to get done for a cat will get done, and then Ghost will be free of the trap and in the house, but not until then.
		Now, when I go into a commercial break, I will try something.
		I will go and get Ghost and bring him in here for a moment and see if we can get him to talk to you.
		Talking is not exactly what I would describe what he does.
		He hasn't been hissing.
		He has once at me.
		Mostly it's just meowing.
		And he's a beautiful cat.
		He's only about two months old.
		I knew that, about two months old.
		And he's kind of orange and white and has beautiful blue eyes.
		This is a pretty kitten.
		So anyway, there it is.
		The story of Ghost.
		We've got him.
		And or her.
		Actually, I don't know yet, and I don't have the body parts to try and find out right now.
		We're talking about a low-frequency receiver in the last hour.
		Somebody said, guess what, Art?
		It's in the catalog.
		So if you've got a secret catalog, you can look for the Earth listening receiver in there, I guess.
		And they do have it.
		Now, let me catch you up on a little bit of the news that we're talking about.
		The big story is what the president is to do.
		Oh, what is the president to do?
		It's such a quandary for him.
		I feel emotional pain.
		Yes, I feel his pain when I think about the problem that he's got with McClellan Air Force Base.
		You see, the base closing commission said close it.
		Presidents do not interfere with what this commission does.
		They never have until now.
		On the one hand, if the president closes the base, even with some mixed-up promises to somehow try to keep the jobs in California, the California voters are going to be really ticked off at him.
		And that's not good because in order to be re-elected, this president must carry California.
		Even Senator Dianne Feinstein said it.
	Absolutely, she said, absolutely He cannot win the presidency without California.
	So, the president is in a pickle.
	If he closes the base, he could lose California and the presidency.
	One-way ticket back to Little Rock.
	If he interferes and orders the base to stay open, he could, he will be seen by the rest of the country as a man doing something purely political against the nation's best nature to save his own pathetic political hide.
	Now, I do have some sympathy with the position that he's in.
	I mean, he is a politician, and I'll try to be fair here.
	Governor Wilson also, I understand, favors keeping the base open.
	I mean, this is a political world, and if you're a Californian, you've got to favor it, I guess.
	But the Prez, you know, the buck stops there, and I figure he's going to lose either way.
	Keeps it open, everybody else is angry, sees him as a political dog.
	If he closes the base, everybody in California is angry, sees him as a mean-spirited Democrat, and doesn't vote for him, and he gets booted out of office.
	So, oh, what is he to do?
	I surely, I feel his pain, and I wonder if you do too.
	And the question is, what do you think he will do?
	And it's an awfully good question.
	The Unibomber has sent a Berkeley University professor a letter that he received from, well, he's responded to a letter he got from the Unibomber.
	Tom Tyler said in an open letter to the Unibomber published in the San Francisco Chronicle, that he shares the Unibomber's concerns about modern American life, but that violence makes people resist change.
	And I wonder how many of you share the Unibomber's concern about modern scientific technological American life?
	The internet, television, movies, pollution, we've got it.
	Deforestation, we've got it.
	How many of you would express deep concern and would actually say that you share the Unibomber's feelings on this, if not his action?
	The shuttle and Mir undocked at 7.09 a.m. yesterday morning.
	They will return tomorrow, I understand, with two Russian cosmonauts and our guy who's been up there and I'm sure will be glad to be home.
	It was indeed a cosmic ballet.
	Remember 2001?
	They could have put music to it, and finally one of the networks did yesterday, and it was beautiful.
	How many of you think by the year 2300 we will be out populating other planets elsewhere?
	Or will we just sort of stick around, worry about pollution and ozone and stuff?
	Or do you think eventually we'll get the spirit, we'll get the space program going again, we will provide a goal and a reason for Americans to strive and work.
	It'll create jobs.
	Oh, I could go on and on.
	The case for the space program is a strong one.
	We ought to get going.
	Be a good thing for this president to grab and run with.
	So, all of that's up for a talk.
	I've got a story on immigration.
	O.J., the trial gets going again tomorrow, and it's about to get very interesting.
	The final witness for the prosecution is Nicole Simpson's mom.
	And after that, it will be the defense turn.
	The big question, whether or not OJ will go on the stand, would you put him on the stand?
	I was talking about blue-tip matches yesterday morning, and this fellow, Gunner, he calls himself in Palm Desert, sends the following art.
	A blue-tip match story.
	When I was eight years of age, I filled a large glass Coke bottle full of blue-tip matches and strapped it to a roller skate in an attempt to make a homemade rocket sled.
	Our home had hardwood floors and a very long hallway.
	So I pointed it down the hallway and set it off.
	The result exceeded my wildest imagination.
	Fire shot out the end of the Coke bottle a good 10 feet, accompanied by copious, acrid smoke.
	Unfortunately, the vehicle lacked control and crashed soon after takeoff.
	After the crash, it sat there madly spinning, shooting fire out the nozzle.
	The damn thing nearly burnt the house down.
	Wanted to share it with you.
	Gunner, Palm Desert.
	He's a man after my own heart.
	Hardwood floor, huh?
unidentified		Oh, boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, back to the phones.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		This is Madison, Wisconsin, Cohen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how you doing?
unidentified		Well, pretty good.
unidentified		Listen, I want to talk about this Unabomber thing in kind of a larger context, because I've been trying to call you for days about the Supreme Court decision about the Endangered Species Act.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, right.
unidentified		All right.
		Now, what I believe about it is that you really can't control where these species live or where they fly over or whatever.
		And I think the ecosystem is connected from one end of the country to the next.
		And we've only been in this continent for 200 years, and look what we've done to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, did you hear the man who called yesterday and said he equated Mother Earth to a living organism that very shortly now is going to spit mankind out of the world?
unidentified		sure did.
		And I agree with that, but I also think that we've hastened the process tremendously.
		I mean, these things may well go in cycles, and we've greatly increased it.
		And even if that's true, is that what you want?
		I mean, you're talking a few minutes ago about exploring space.
		Do we want to get knocked back to the Dark Ages, especially if we don't have to?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, now, in relation to the Unabomber, obviously, I mean, I've faxed you before about this a number of times.
		I think the guy is kind of insane because of his violent tendencies.
		But I think the revulsion that he has for modern techno society is pretty genuine.
		And I have a lot of neighbors.
		I'm living in Madison, but I have a farm 100 miles from here, and all my neighbors up there are Amish.
		And you can't believe what a pleasant lifestyle they have.
		I mean, they don't agree with any technology.
		And they have no crime, and no violence, and no divorce, and no abortion.
		And I mean, you can look at their lifestyle from one end to the other and see nothing but a serene spiritual life.
		I'm not saying we all need to be Amish art, but I'm saying we are too far.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, okay, okay, pause, take a deep breath, look.
		I know.
		But I just, and I'm, maybe I'm defensive, because I'm deeply involved in all of this kind of technology.
		And I mean deeply.
		I think that's true.
		I think that's true.
		And so I just, I don't feature it as causing the social problems that we have.
		I really don't think it is.
unidentified		I can make the case in 30 seconds for why I think it is involved with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		29, 28, 27, 28.
unidentified		It's my belief that the technology has made it possible for us to sidestep the most basic of human things.
		In other words, you live in your little well-insulated box.
		It's air conditioned.
		You don't know there's a desert out there.
		Everybody's gotten soft because the technology has made it so possible to be soft.
		And the medical world has made it possible for us to survive possibly longer than we should.
		We're not even genetically, you know, choosing the best people to survive anymore because some people who are basically sickly all their lives are still reproducing, adding to the gene pool, et cetera.
		So I think technology in a way is enabling us to become such a weaker species that we are basically blind to the realities of life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then, here, Doctor, what is your prescription?
unidentified		Well, my prescription is that technology is extremely useful, but it needs to be, and I suspect the Unabomber agrees, appropriately channeled.
unidentified		And, you know, if I ruled the world, for example...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were, you were, if you ruled the world, I have a feeling that old, sickly people, you know, wouldn't be old and sickly very long.
unidentified		Right.
		That's right.
		That's right.
		That's what I thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, thank you very much for the call.
		But, um, uh, somehow, uh, your, your solution, uh, is pretty distasteful.
		I mean, yeah, sure.
		Well, I, you know, I had somebody like this yesterday, you call up.
		You know, basically, the old people ought to be put away.
		The sickly people ought to be put away.
		The genetic misfits ought to be eliminated from reproducing.
		We should consider those who are a drag on society.
		You know, we're talking chamber here, right?
		Time to report to the chamber.
unidentified		Your time's up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've decided you're not really useful anymore.
		You're lollygagging around all day.
		Time for the gas.
unidentified		Well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, folks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hello.
		This is Richard in Lafayette, Indiana.
		Yes.
		The best AFM.
		Excellent.
		Um, I was just, uh, calling to see if you'd, uh, seen, uh, or know anything about the piece on the Edmund Fitzgerald.
		Uh, they, uh, I, I was, uh, channel surfing and caught, uh, headline news and saw a piece about them bringing up the bell.
		And apparently it's in pretty deep water.
		And, uh, uh, uh, they're trying to get Canada to make it a national memorial so that the commercial divers can't desecrate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what is your view?
unidentified		Well, I think that that's a good idea.
		That there's no need to desecrate that resting place of 29 sailors.
		And what they're talking about doing is putting a replica of the bell back down with all the names.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure in their view, it does, you know, they're not intending to desecrate anything.
		And I'd have to think how I feel about it.
		I don't have a ready answer for you.
unidentified		Actually, I was just calling to see if you had heard it, and also to say I really enjoy the show, and I'm waiting with bated breath for our station to pick up Dreamland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they have not done so yet.
unidentified		Not yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, give them a call and ask them nicely to do it.
unidentified		I shall do so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		I don't know.
		It's like talking about the desecration of the flag.
		It depends on the intent of the person doing it, right?
		What do they intend?
		What do they mean by it?
		Or the burning of the American flag.
		I heard stats the other day that there have been that they know of like two or three at the most flag burnings in the last couple of years.
		people are not burning a lot of flags.
		And So I don't know about this constitutional amendment.
		I mean, it sounds good.
		And maybe if it was a big problem, it would go through.
		But it really isn't.
		I mean, two or three flags a year by some nutball case.
		I just don't know if that means we need an amendment.
		i don't know if the size of the problem justifies the uh...
		of the remedy of being suggested Thank you.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from July 4th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here we go.
		This should be interesting.
		And I'm going to lift the, uh, here we go.
unidentified		Hello, buddy.
unidentified		Hi, Kitty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I don't know whether you can hear this guy or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea whether it's coming over the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's my little guy.
		He's, uh, aw, he's rubbing against the cage, kind of like, he's a good kitty.
		And he's been eating his food, I can see, and drinking his water.
		And I'm sure he'd like to be out of there.
		And tomorrow he will be.
		He's a good kitty.
		He's a good kitty.
		Anyway, that, my friend, friends, is a ghost.
		And he's got a little brown, and he's looking at me right now.
		He's got a little brown, and he's got a little orange in him, and a little bit of white, and he's got blue eyes.
		And he looks like he would rather be somewhere other than where he is.
		But it's got to be better than under the house, huh, ghost?
unidentified		So, anyway, there you have it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's a good kitty.
		See, no hissing, it's just kind of a meow.
		And I guess he's, hopefully he's glad.
		No, he doesn't like this cage.
		He keeps pushing against the cage like, hey, I want to get out of here.
		But it's not too bad.
		You know, he's not really wild.
		He's not.
		I think we caught him early.
		He's a good kitty.
		Good kitty.
		Well, anyway, Ghost goes back into the bathroom in a much safer and quieter environment.
		And I will take a break here at the bottom of the hour.
		But I was glad.
		You can still hear him.
		I was glad you were able to hear him.
		That, ladies and gentlemen, is a conclusion to a long, long saga.
		Welcome to the house, Ghost.
unidentified		This is Premier Networks.
		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		On this, somewhere in time.
		Whispers of some quiet conversation.
		She's coming in 1235.
		The moonlit wings be fled to the stars that guide me towards salvation.
		I stopped an old man along the way Hoping to find some old forgotten words Or ancient melodies I stopped an
		old man along the way I stopped an old
		man along the way Premier Network presents heartbells somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring Ghost to Ghost AM from the 4th of July 1995.
		Oh, I hope you're able to hear Ghost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I trust you were.
		I could hear him in my headphone, so I think that meant that you could hear him.
		At any rate, um.
		Here's a fact just in, aren't please help me.
		I'm a member of your BBS.
		You know, the bullet board.
		Can't figure out how to download files.
		I'm new to computers.
		Within the last month, I'm desperate to see some of the fantastic stuff on the board.
		If the matter is too complex to explain on the air, at least tell me where I can find the help I need.
		Love you here at WTAZ Talk Radio 102 in Peoria.
		Well, it is too hard to explain on the air, or actually I don't even think I could.
		It depends on your individual situation.
		I will tell you this much technical data.
		You need a good computer.
		You need a modem, preferably 2400 baud or better.
		The 14.4s or the 288s are really nice.
		You need in your computer the ability to view files in the 640 by 480 times 256 color format.
		At least that.
		And most of all, you've got to know how to download.
		And what I recommend is, Don, that you get hold of somebody there in your dialing area, you know, a bulletin board there in Peoria, and I'm sure they have many of them.
		And get some help.
		Or get a friend who's got a computer, has been doing it for a while, knows how to download, and get some help.
		That's the best advice I can give you.
		Get your help locally.
		And once you've figured out how to download, it's not a big deal.
		You probably need to do a little work, a little brainstrain.
		And you'll figure it out.
		And then you'll be able to call our bulletin board with assurance and know that you know what you're doing.
		By the way, while I'm on the subject, I'm writing this book, and my mom prepared me a whole, just a tremendous, All these materials she sent me, and I have got photographs of myself as a baby.
		I've got photographs of my mom when she got married and when she was pregnant with me.
		As a matter of fact, I've got a picture of my mom one day before I was born.
		One day.
		I've got a picture of my mom and the Marines, several really nice ones, as a matter of fact, and those will go into the book.
		But there was one picture I found that I just fell in love with.
		It's of my dad.
		And my dad was with the 1st Marine Division that hit Guadalcanal, and that was a hell of a fight, I'll tell you.
		And it was faded to the point where you could barely detect the photograph.
		And I took the program in my computer that I work with, I pride myself now in my scanning abilities, and I resurrected this photograph, and I brought it back.
		And I tell you, here's my dad, must have been, I guess, a lieutenant then.
		I know when he came back from Guadalcanal, he was a captain at that point.
		But must have been a lieutenant then.
		And he's sitting, I guess, at Guadalcanal.
		And he's got his rifle in his hands.
		And he's got a hat, you know, typical Marine hat for those days on, decorated with all kinds of bushes.
		I mean, he looked in fatigues.
		And if this isn't John Wayne, I don't know that I've ever seen John Wayne.
		So that photograph is now on the bulletin board.
		It is sort of a teaser for some of the ones that are going to be in the book.
		This is really cool.
		I think it's cool.
		So if you want to download a photograph of my dad at Guadalcanal, all you've got to do is dial up the bulletin board, and the name of the file is DadD A D M. Dad M. That to me just meant Dad Marines.
		Dot GIF.
		Dad M.G.I.F.
		It now is on the bulletin board.
		And I'd love to get your opinion when you get the photograph.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		All right, this is Barbin Feeney.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		Hi, I just wanted to tell you I think Little Ghost might be a girl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What makes you say that?
unidentified		Any cat that has more than two colors is normally a calico cat.
unidentified		And normally if they have more than two colors, they're girls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		this cat looks like a marble A swirl of color.
		Oh, it's a very, very pretty cat.
		I love the way she sounds on the phone.
		You mean on the radio?
unidentified		On the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that did come through, huh?
unidentified		Oh, yes, very well.
		She just sounds so sweet.
		And she's rubbing up against the case.
		Did you put your finger in there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No, no, no.
		I haven't done that yet.
		You know, I mean, after all, he or she, whatever, has been living under the house, and who knows.
		So to the vet early in the morning, 8 o'clock, and then we'll see.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Well, I'll be listening tomorrow night to find out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello there.
		Whoops, I didn't punch it.
		There you are.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, all right.
		Good morning.
		This is Larry in St. Augustine, WFOY.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		Pretty good.
unidentified		Listen, we was talking about the bulletin board a while ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, uh-huh.
unidentified		I tried calling that earlier, well, last night, as a matter of fact.
unidentified		And I got a 14-4.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		And I hook up.
		I can hear the modems, you know, talking.
		Yep.
		And I get on, and I'm getting static.
		You know, I'm getting sporadic cash all over the place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's called line noise.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		Well, how can I remit you that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can call the phone company.
unidentified		Well, I call local lines, and I don't have that problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, naturally not.
		You're going all the way across the country.
		It depends.
		I'll tell you how it is.
		It's the luck of the Irish.
		In other words, one time you dial, you'll get a clean line.
		Another time, you'll get a noisy line.
		And you can go and raise hell with the phone company if you want to, but you might as well go bash your head against the wall.
unidentified		Yeah, that just helps me get a data line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, that's right.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, I sure enjoy your show, Art, and I'm glad you caught the little critter outside there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You heard him okay, did you?
unidentified		Yeah, he sounded fine.
unidentified		He sounded like he's relieved to be inside, as a matter of fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, wouldn't you be?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		After the ordeal you put that poor cat through, yeah.
unidentified		The starvation diet and such as that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, he's not as emaciated as you might expect.
		And I think it's from, you know, the last two or three weeks of good feeding that we've been giving him.
		So he's a little healthier.
		Thank you.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		One can only imagine what kind of diet he's been subsisting on under the house.
		Everything I suspect that crawls.
		But you've got to do what you've got to do, right?
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello.
		This is Chris.
		I'm from Sterling.
		I'm listening to you on WSDR.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where is that?
unidentified		Sterling, Illinois.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Sterling, Illinois, all right?
unidentified		Yep.
		And I wanted to talk to you about ghosts.
		I have two cats of my own, Spunky and Sheba.
		And I got Sheba under some kind of similar circumstances.
		Last winter when we had that blizzard weather, someone just dumped her out at my mom and dad's house, and they live out in the country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In a blizzard?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now that's really cold.
		Turn your radio off for me, dear.
		Oh, yes.
		Dumping a cat in a blizzard, and I don't mean to be funny.
		It's really a cold thing to do.
unidentified		Yes, it is.
		And she was smart enough to get up on the wood that my mom and dad have on the porch and look in their kitchen window.
		And she was like, take me.
		And so we took her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		And she has been the best cat a person could ever have.
		I mean, she is very loving.
		She's very caring.
		And I hope that Ghost will give you the same kind of pleasure that Sheva and Spunky give us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope it's true.
unidentified		And also, I wanted to say one thing about the O.J. Simpson case.
		I feel that no matter if they put him on the stand or whether they don't, he's going to get off anyway.
		He ain't going to jail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, do you think his, let's try it this way.
		Are his chances improved by going on the stand?
		Or do you think when Marsha Clark gets hold of him in cross-examination, she'll shred him?
unidentified		I think she'll shred him.
		'Cause I my my me, myself personally, I feel he's guilty.
		Guilty as sin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that makes two of us.
unidentified		i think that he just went into a jealous rage and just went nuts and she puts him on if they put him on the stand she's going to tear him up he's his story is going to have so many holes in it it isn't even funny but no matter what i still feel that he's going to go to jail because of his popularity and because of him being so famous i don't think he'll see even one minute of serious jail time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I think it's fairly serious jail time he's already had.
		I thank you for the call, and I do somewhat disagree.
		I don't think there...
		Ooh, a lot of cynicism.
		That would be bad.
		Very bad, my opinion.
		More likely, it will be a hung jury, and most likely they will retry him.
		And we will get to go through, oh, what do you say?
		Another six months of another trial?
		Don't you suppose?
		I was talking earlier tonight.
		I've been threatening to do this for years.
		I would like to do a show on ham radio.
		And I don't mean have my show on ham radio.
		I mean that I think it would be great someday to actually take the output of my transceiver and hook the audio up to my board and be able to make a few contacts on the air and to air the entire thing so that you could hear it clearly.
		Ham radio is such a wonderful hobby, but, you know, I understand the eyes of many would glaze over.
		And to do a show just talking about ham radio, and I know Ray Bream, who I know, who's a friend, used to do those kinds of shows.
		But I've got my ham rig right next to my broadcast setup.
		And I could literally hook the two up.
		And I could actually let you hear me talking to people on the air.
		Now, the legality of doing something like that is very obscure.
		We really don't know.
		And I just got a fax on it.
		And what I'm actually asking is that somebody in the FCC send me a fax and let me know.
		Now, this is not from the FCC, but it attempts to cover it.
unidentified		Listen to this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
		Happen to be in my ham chack listening to your show.
		Some answers.
		Using ham for broadcasting and the rebroadcast of ham signals is covered in the rules section 97.113.
		The rules prohibit using your ham radio to broadcast to a wide audience, except ARRL's Morse code practice sessions and similar things.
		This, of course, is not what you are talking about.
		You also can't use your ham to do news gathering for a broadcast facility.
		However, in the FCC rulebook published by the ARRL 7th edition, it says on page 7-2 that a broadcast station can rebroadcast a ham conversation live or taped for demonstration purposes such as showing a field day, as long as the ham station is not doing something directly related to program production or news gathering for broadcast purposes.
		So, it's a judgment call.
		It sounds like you are demonstrating the art of ham radio.
		Yes, that's right.
		It's what I wanted to do.
		But I guess you could also consider it related to program production.
		So, I don't know.
		It looks to me like it would be okay, but you ought to read the rule yourself.
		Well, I already knew, thank you, John, in Portland, that it was kind of a gray area, and that's why I was saying if there's anybody in the FCC out there, you guys do listen, and gals, send me a fax and let me know whether you think it's cool or not.
		All I want to do is do an interesting program on ham radio, and instead of the usual talk about it, which I think bores people, and since I operate right next to my ham station, I thought, you know, I could just wire the output of the transceiver right here into the board and actually bring the audio up so that you could hear it as I hear it,
		and the people I talk to, for demonstration purposes, would know they're on the air, being broadcasted nationwide.
		So bearing all that in mind, I wonder if it's legal.
unidentified		Ball
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from July 4th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Charlie, liberal in California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yo-ho.
unidentified		As far as the Unit Bomber, first of all, if we catch him, you know, he's got to probably get the death penalty.
		That goes without saying, he probably should.
		But I can understand his point from a certain viewpoint.
		I believe that if you look at some of these multinational corporations and conservatives who want to bend over backwards to kiss their Heiny, let them do anything they want to do, and have absolutely no controls over them whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's like he almost complained about the military-industrial complex, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Charlie?
unidentified		Well, that was a problem, too.
unidentified		That problem, by the way, was brought up by a Republican named Eisenhower.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what he said, beware of.
unidentified		So I have no problem with that, but again, it shows you where conservatism is going.
		They basically want no controls on business whatsoever, as far as pollution, as far as...
		No, I think he's a very far right.
		I think he's a very far-left liberal.
		An interesting thing, if you look at that...
		Hold it.
		Hold it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said you think he is a very far left liberal.
		Is that right?
		I just wanted to be sure I heard that correctly.
unidentified		Actually, if you look at it, it's very interesting.
		You look at the very extreme liberals.
		They're all very intelligent.
		Whereas the extreme right-wingers, you've got guys like McVay, whose IQ is probably below sea level.
		I think it says a lot about political philosophies.
		Let me say, lastly, on this base closing thing, if it were up to me, I'd close every base in the United States almost, except for maybe one or two or something like that.
		Sure you would.
		I think other than farm subsidies, it may be corporate welfare.
		I think military industrial complex, now that you mentioned it, is one of the biggest welfare programs in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So tell me, Charlie, now the President is in a bit of a pickle here.
		And what do you think he ought to do?
		Should he go ahead and close it and just the consequences in California be damned?
unidentified		Well, the politically correct thing to do would be to keep it open.
		But the morally correct thing to do would be simply to, you know something, you could close all these military bases and use that money.
		Because if you're going to use, I'll tell you what, if I were to call your show and say, you know what, we need some make-work programs like Franklin Roosevelt had, just putting people to work and just paying them money.
		If I called and said that, you'd be the first person to disagree with me.
		And yet a lot of these unnecessary bases, that's exactly what that is.
		Exactly what it is.
		And so if you're going to do that, why not just take the money and say, all right, so then, all right, all right, you've drawn it out well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then will the president do the political thing or the morally correct thing, Charles, in your opinion?
unidentified		I think, well, he didn't get where he was today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Being morally correct guys.
unidentified		There's a lot of morally correct guys that are sitting on their butt unemployed right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		Thank you, Charles.
		I think you actually told the truth there.
		It sounded painful for you in a way, but you told the truth.
		So given a choice between doing the morally correct thing and the politically correct thing, meaning for Bill Clinton's own butt, he will do the politically correct thing for Bill Clinton's own butt.
		And those were the words, though they came out haltingly, of Charles on what the president will do.
		Fascinating.
		So, ladies and gentlemen, after hearing Charles mutter and sputter about the president's predicament, I think it's a great topic.
		Which do you think he will do?
		I'm not asking you which you think he should do.
		In other words, to close McLellan or not.
		I'm asking you what you think he will do.
		Will he act to do the moral thing, as Charles put it, and close the base?
		Or will he act to do the Clinton-esque type thing, which is to protect his political butt and ensure his re-election?
		Oh, what, oh, what to do?
		The president has a problem, and I'd like to hear what you think he will do.
unidentified		The trip back in time continues, with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		More Somewhere in Time coming up.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time.
		Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM from July 4th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just got a note from the WKY Oklahoma City News Department, and it reads as follows, Art, this is to correct the caller from Oklahoma City on your show about 4.40 this morning, I guess, their time.
		Our state legislature is not calling for an independent investigation of the Oklahoma City bombing.
		Actually, a single legislator wants the state house to conduct an investigation.
		But this legislator apparently has his own agenda with regard to the nature of the explosion using so-called experts on explosives.
		Some political watchers say he's digging his own political grave.
		Regarding the KFOR report, Channel 4 is continuing to follow up on its own investigation.
		We plan to have the reporter and news director on the air here at WKY when and if they finish that investigation.
		They have not, however, had a follow-up story in the last several days.
		So that catches you all up on that.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Let me click down my radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Anyway, as far as Clinton possibly having any involvement with China, selling missiles to Pakistan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nobody said he had involvement.
unidentified		Is he doing anything about it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		I really don't think that he will, and that I think that American policy as a whole is seeing them as a balance of power on the subcontinent.
unidentified		But what's an even scarier thing as far as China goes is the Spratly Islands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is a look, it is a very tough call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know they've actually almost come to blows over the Spratleys here recently.
unidentified		The Philippines has actually sent out what little bit of a navy that they have on alert now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm aware of that.
unidentified		And considering that Vietnam, a constant enemy of China, is also disputing this, that China has now taken over Indonesia's oil fields that they've said, that they'd agreed to before in previous agreements saying these oil fields are yours, no problem.
		Now they've decided that it's theirs.
		Now, I really, I hate to sound all conspiracy-minded and doom and gloomy here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, no problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We do it all the time.
unidentified		Well, that's why I'm calling you your show.
		Anyway, but I really do feel that there is some collusion on the administration's part.
		American administrations in the past, of course, before with the Soviets backing India so much, but I feel that there's still a certain amount of collusion in that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but look, you know, you could make the same kind of case with Taiwan, for example, and the way we've treated that.
		But you cannot ignore China, and if you do so, you do it at your own peril, and there are national security considerations that go beyond Taiwan, the Spratlys, or maybe even what they're selling to Pakistan.
		I don't know.
		It's an open question.
		It's not an easy decision.
unidentified		Well, the spooky thing about the Spratleys, though, is that you mentioned national security.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Our national security is going to be completely screwed if they start making moves into Southeast Asia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's exactly right.
		And so what you try to do is you hold it, sir.
		You try to walk a fine line, and you try to prevent that by allowing them to expand dramatically, economically, and you try and sort of keep them on that fine line and say, don't do this and don't do that, or you're going to ruin your chances economically.
		And you try to hope that will have an influence on them.
		I don't see what else you do.
		What would you do?
unidentified		Well, goodness.
		I mean, I'm a rather hawkish dove, a hawkish left-winger, but I'm no fan of China's.
		But I personally, I'd have withdrawn their most favorite nation trading status long ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe, sir.
unidentified		Maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		Maybe you would have.
		But there would go your influence.
		Look, I'm not entirely unsympathetic to this decision by the President being a difficult one.
		It is.
		There's no easy answer here.
		China is a power.
		China cannot be ignored.
		It's a nuclear power.
		China is soon to be an economic power that would scare the hell out of you if you ever saw it.
		China does things on a scale that, frankly, for most Americans, it's just unimaginable.
		If you ignore China, you definitely do it at your own peril.
		If you cast off all influence over China, the odds are she's going to react and do things that will very much displease you.
		On the other hand, if she's going to do things that are going to end up with Iran getting a nuclear missile capable of landing a warhead in the US of A, well, it's a tough call, is what I'm trying to say.
		A very, very tough call.
		And while I'm kind of joking about the President's political dilemma domestically, the international one with China is no joke.
		And I'm not even sure I know what the right answer is.
		It's going to take a little bit of thought.
		You don't give up your influence just like that because that's the only hope you've got.
		On the other hand, when you have determined that you absolutely can have no influence and what China is doing is directly detrimental to this country's national security, then you do what you have to do.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, I'm Coleman from Oceanside, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And see, in the Blade Citizen newspaper from June 22nd, it's not a tabloid or anything, it's a regular newspaper.
		There's an article, UFO sightings reported by Vista residents.
		Yes, sir.
		And something happened there on Tuesday, two days before that, the 20th, I guess.
		And one of the witnesses says that after the thing disappeared, a bunch of military helicopters showed up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Black, right.
unidentified		And let's see.
		The UFO investigating group in San Diego, Orion, is investigating it.
		They're taking it seriously.
		There have been some reports of balloons being sent up with candles, sort of as a joke.
		But this group here says, no, it wasn't anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what I always thought would be cool if you wanted to hoax it?
		You get a big balloon.
		You can buy them.
		They're industrial balloons.
		And you fill it up.
		And below it, you hang a battery-operated strobe light.
		Oh, that would do it.
		You want to freak people out.
		Now, there's an idea.
unidentified		That would do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would work.
unidentified		And then in the same article, in the same newspaper that is that day, the next day after the UFO sighting, there was a 4.3 earthquake about 30 miles out in the ocean here.
		And I felt that.
		I was about 2.15 in the afternoon, and I felt that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sir, there have been a lot of earthquakes lately.
unidentified		And George Michael Scallion, he says that something happened.
unidentified		Gordon Gordon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gordon Michael Scallion.
unidentified		Gordon Michael Scallion says that something should happen by December.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the end of the year.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		And finally, one other thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a good swimmer?
unidentified		Not since the Navy, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Might want to spruce up.
unidentified		Yeah, one other thing in Timothy Goode's book, Above Top Secret, he mentions Britain's Lord Mountbatten made a suggestion investigating these things that perhaps these were actual living things themselves, not vehicles.
		And an interesting point, doing a survey of royal history, I've been in communication with the palaces and things.
		And the old Queen Mother, who's 95 years old, has a side thing in some messages to her about royal history.
		I mentioned Lord Mountbatten's study of this, and they did not ignore the letter.
		They still wrote back about the main subject.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I were to tell you, sir, that I have a security clearance.
unidentified		You do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not just.
		I wasn't done.
		Not just any security clearance, but 42 degrees above top secret.
		What would you say?
unidentified		I, oh, I don't know anything about that.
unidentified		42 degrees above top secret, that sounds a way out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah, is that real?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		well what's your best guess uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		that found You've got to imagine somebody in the media like myself could pressure them, in effect, into giving me this kind of clearance so that I could know things so that they could keep me quiet.
unidentified		I've heard you talk about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And make me sign papers and stuff.
unidentified		Yeah, I've heard you talk about that and suggest that some listeners think that you might have something to do with the government or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		CIA, yeah, some of them think I'm CIA.
unidentified		No, I don't think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, thank you.
		Have a good morning.
unidentified		Somewhere in Time with Art Bell continues, courtesy of Premier Networks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music by Ben Thede West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you this evening?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		Glad you got the cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Smarter than a cat.
unidentified		Well, we were worried about him getting stuck under there and a long, slow, lingering death of starvation as anything wants to go through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now he can have a long, slow, lingering association with human beings.
unidentified		There you go.
unidentified		Sometimes almost as painful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No doubt.
unidentified		You know, Charles always gets me fired up.
		Being a devotee of Ann Rand and objectivist epistemology, you know, I really honestly believe that production is mankind's highest calling to be a productive individual no matter what you feel.
		And, you know, it seems that Charles would be happy if the whole world was just one giant looters festival that the productive were robbed to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Charles works for the government.
		I'm using that word loosely.
		I mean, he has an association with the government that gives him a check.
		And so it gives him an attitude.
unidentified		It's probably a snitch for the ATF.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, no, he's got two jobs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe Charles is a border guard, believe it or not, a border guard.
unidentified		A border patrol agent, you mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And his second job, this one will really put a chill down your spine, is he counsels juvenile delinquents.
unidentified		Oh, great.
		You mean indoctrinates young skulls?
		Now, how does Charles' anti-gun emotion-filled rhetoric square away with his carrying of a sidearm as a Border Patrol agent?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, his view is close to that of Clinton's.
		That is that police, which he would loosely consider himself to be a police person, and the military are the only ones who ought to have guns.
		That's how it squares.
unidentified		Well, I guess they never read the Federalist papers, have they?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, probably not.
unidentified		Yeah, you know, it's amazing all these federal agents taking oaths to uphold the Constitution first and foremost, and they haven't the faintest, foggiest idea what lies within.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, you know the terrible predicament our president is in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think he will do?
unidentified		Over the base or over Pakistan?
unidentified		I think Pakistan is the more dangerous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're right.
		Actually, it's the same kind of decision in a lot of ways.
		No matter which way you go, your goose is cooked.
unidentified		Well, I don't think he has the testicular fortitude to make a proper decision either way.
unidentified		I think he'll waffle and slide back and forth trying to make everybody happy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so then what one day, 10 or 20 years from now, when Iran has lobbed an atomic weapon onto the East Coast somewhere, somebody will reach back and remember and blame Clinton for ignoring it?
		You see, yes, it is.
		The difficulty of the decisions is very similar.
		China is selling missiles that can carry nuclear warheads to Pakistan.
		He's selling parts for the same missiles to Iran.
		China is doing that now.
		We have satellite intelligence and we have satellite, excuse me, human intel on the ground, both of which confirm this is going on.
		It mandates we cut off trade with China.
		What do you think you will do?
		Well, for now, nothing.
		The administration is saying, well, it seems like circumstantial evidence to us.
		Circumstantial?
		Because it's high-like photographs.
		Circumstantial.
		You've got agents on the ground saying it's already a done deal.
		And you're sitting there in the White House saying, Ah, that's just circumstantial.
		But I do sympathize with the difficulty of the decision to cut off trade with China completely is dangerous in a lot of ways.
		Of course, so are the missiles.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Arpello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This is Kurt from Phoenix.
		Yes, sir.
		You know, I've never heard you discuss.
		There's a pill made by DuPont.
		It's called Revia.
		It's spelled R-E-V-I-A.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what does it do?
unidentified		What does it do?
		It's a 50-milligram pill.
		What it does is it, if you're an alcoholic, I was a heavy drinker, very heavy drinker for 12 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and it makes you sick?
unidentified		No, no, no, no, no.
		It's not anti-abuse.
		It was just approved by the FDA December 31st, 1994.
		What it does is it eliminates the craving for alcohol.
		Totally.
		What it does is it builds the endorphins.
		Okay.
		After drinking for a long period of time, your body does not release endorphins naturally.
		It needs the alcohol.
		That's why you become sick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, it replaces endorphins.
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a nicotine patch replaces nicotine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a pretty good parallel, isn't it?
unidentified		Yeah, you know, what it does, and if you drink on it, what it does is it when you drink on it, it blocks the effect of the alcohol.
unidentified		You get no effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The trouble is that a lot of people who are actually alcoholics have more than just a physical addiction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a psychological addiction as well.
unidentified		But when you take this pill every day, and if you do drink, you will not feel anything.
		I was on it for three months, and I haven't drank since February 24th.
		Excellent.
		In fact, my roommate is going to open up a clinic, an outpatient clinic, using Ltrexone Revia with therapy also.
		Therapy is real important.
		I myself go to AA meetings also.
		But it's just a really interesting drug.
		There's been articles in Newsweek and Time back in January when it came out.
		They also use it for heroin addiction, but you have to be clean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have to be off heroin or methadone for the key to well, methadone, of course, becomes the addict.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a replaced addiction.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you've got to be ready to stop yourself, or no pill or no patch or anything else is going to do it because you don't want to do it.
		You want to keep drinking and you want to keep getting the effects of the alcohol or the drug.
		So it's like a mental decision you've got to make.
unidentified		But this could be a really, you know, they were saying in Newsweek, this could be a breakthrough drug.
		They take heroin addicts and actually shoot them up with naltrexone in, like, Mexico and Spain.
		They shoot them up in four hours of totally detoxed, and then they give them the naltrexone or revea, you know, a three-month supply of it.
		You know, anesthesia, they bring them under to the point.
		well i hope i hope it works yeah i think oh you know a lot of people are Yeah, I mean, you know, okay, Art.
		Nice talking to you.
		Have a good evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		So I hope it works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, they've been looking for that for years.
		But the basic human condition is one that craves escape, craves pleasure, and it's a very complicated, complex thing separating somebody from a true addiction because it is physical and psychological.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, Art.
		Hello.
		It's nice to talk to you.
		You got a great show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Sacramento.
		Okay.
		Yeah, I don't trust our government, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, how can you mistrust a wonderful bunch of people like we've got in Washington now?
		Our congressmen, our senators, the State Department, the White House, the U.S. Supreme Court?
		You distrust people like this?
unidentified		I got a feeling they got something to do with that bombing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, not the bombing.
unidentified		Hey, did you hear about that girl that got caned in Tennessee?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Tennessee court?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Yeah, some girls, a teenager got caned by a judge and her parents right in court.
unidentified		I just thought that was a little out of control, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very immediate, huh?
unidentified		Pardon me?
		What did she do?
		I don't know.
		She was a teenager only.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard that.
		I mean, why are something petty?
		yes sir well i guess if the parents were there and the judge was there and that was a sentence and uh...
unidentified		Yeah, and they want to start that up more, too, the people there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are a lot of people who feel...
		Not a lot of times, but I was spanked.
		And you know something?
		It worked.
		It worked.
		We'll be back.
unidentified		This is Premier Networks.
		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		On this Somewhere in Time.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm going to have to go through it now, and I don't want to go through it, so I don't want to hear about it.
		Art, I just had to contact you about your new cat.
		The man who called was actually right about his definition of declawing.
		You know, and on and on and it's going to go.
		Don't declaw your cat.
		Well, this cat is going to be declawed, front only, and is going to be fixed in whichever way it turns out.
		We're actually not sure whether ghost is a boy or a girl yet.
		That is going to happen.
		There's going to be a feline leukemia test.
		There are going to be shots.
		There's going to be a bath.
		There is going to be everything you can imagine.
		And then there's going to be an inside-only cat.
		And that's the way I do it, subject-dropped.
		For those of you who think it's mean and cruel, fine.
		We're going to have to disagree.
		but in the morning i guarantee my nazi uniform goes on and i go down to doctor mingle and i give him my kitty and that's it And so the fight's going to go on.
		And then I get another one that says, where the heck is it?
		enough already tell all of the animal rights uh...
		activist to I have a Siamese who's clawless.
		That's all four paws.
		She scales fences, catches birds.
		We're talking some mondo blue jays here, and yes, even squirrels.
		I've come home to several beheaded squirrels on my front porch.
		Oh, my.
		So don't let anyone tell you they cannot function properly.
		And blah, blah.
		And besides, what's wrong with caring about your furniture anyway?
		So, yeah, I agree with all that.
		I mean, people disagree violently on this, I know.
		But I believe it is my belief that if you do declaw a cat, front paws only, thank you, you don't let it outside.
		Because you are removing its ability to properly defend itself.
		There is no question about that.
		But I've got another cat.
		Now, would it be fair for my declawed cat to live in a house with a clawed cat?
		Who would claw it up but good?
		No, it wouldn't be fair.
		Would I want to see my furniture shredded?
		No.
		Will I let my cat outside?
		No, I will not.
		Will it grow up fat, happy, and sassy?
		Hopefully, yes.
		My other one has, and as I said earlier, has become very adept with it.
		So I don't want to hear all this.
		So what's going to happen, you know?
		In the morning.
		Dr. Mengela gets my cat, and that's it.
		Then I get him back.
		Dear art, considering that the quickening is being fueled, if not directly caused, by the world's annual population growth of 90 million, we are trying to support more and more people with a shrinking natural resource base, and true per capita wealth has been slowing and decreasing for years.
		Ever wonder why it takes two incomes to support most households nowadays?
		Nothing can grow forever on a finite planet.
		That includes the economy, as well as the population.
		I think the whole notion that GNP must grow forever, lest we fall behind, is a big part of why life is getting so hectic and dangerous.
		GNP growth is largely a response to population growth, and neither can continue indefinitely in a finite world.
		Signed the Unibomber.
		No, just kidding.
		Actually signed Carl.
		But Carl, I have a feeling that is the psychology of the Unibomber.
		And I'm not comparing you, Carl, to the Unibomber.
		I'm just saying I think that's what he thinks.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Ari.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		This is Mike from last night.
unidentified		I'm sorry I missed you, but I was in my wheelchair and my remote was somewhere else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm fine.
		Oh, I remember.
		You couldn't turn your radio down, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, I didn't have a remote and I couldn't get to it, and I didn't want to light.
		So, you know, I was listening to that guy earlier, you know, about the program, you know, about this new killer.
		It reminded me of a story one around some guy in L.A. did that about six years ago.
		And he got about six or seven hundred people involved in this, whatever kind of chemical he came up with.
		Well, you know, they all didn't succeed, let's put it that way.
		Because you hit it right on the nailhead.
		It's a symptom of the disease.
		That's it, right there.
		And that's about all I want to say with that.
		Did you get my facts on that article and stuff?
		I don't know if they're coming out right, but tried to send you some factors on the fourth, and I don't know if I'm very good with humor, but I'm learning the artwork with my facts.
		See, I got hurt in construction years ago, and I'm trying to learn a new trade.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aren't computers wonderful?
unidentified		Yeah, well, that's my next step.
		And I've been listening to you really closely, but I've had to save up for this.
		Well, I have to keep a certain amount of money, you know, in front of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
		All right, sir.
		Thank you.
		I'll tell you, people who are confined as a result of an accident or a disability of some sort are these days able to make a living with a computer.
		And that will be more and more true as time goes on.
		So, you know, Mr. Unabomber and people like you, the information age is not just one side.
		the scientific advances and the scientific world we live in is not all bad.
		It's a double-edged sword, like most things.
		Information and power and science and knowledge bring good and bring bad.
		It is only man that steers the knowledge one way or the other.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		When you had Richard Hofman a few weeks ago, didn't he suggest that there's possibly that we've already went and visited Mars with our advanced alien technology that we might have?
		Wasn't that one of his suggestions?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't recall his saying that, but he might have.
		I've had various guests that have said things like that.
		What is your point?
unidentified		Well, it just struck me that he said they may have already visited, but one other little point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On K4...
unidentified		I don't believe we physically have gone to Mars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you prove that?
unidentified		Well, that's what I'm saying.
		Richard Holman may have suggested that they saw a spacecraft that has done it.
		That's all I'm saying.
		You can't prove otherwise until they say something.
		There you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And even then, it won't matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, today, I guarantee I could open the lines and I could find lots of people who would swear that the whole thing on the moon was a fraud.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		I agree with you.
		On K4, on Channel 4 in Oklahoma City, they did a follow-up piece on Channel 9's interview with John Doe, number 2.
		Right.
		And they refuted all his claims that proved that he wasn't in any way possibly connected with the bombing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but then I understand K4 came back and attacked each point point by point.
unidentified		That's what I said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see, I see.
unidentified		K4's Channel 4.
		Yeah.
		like his time card was uh...
		handwritten but the company has been only using uh...
		punch card cards for for time card and on and on and on and so uh...
		that might be a point to Well, I appreciate your call.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		and people eventually shakes out you You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from July 4th, 1995.
		Coast to Coast AM from July 4th, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		MD from Kentucky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Dave.
unidentified		You were just speaking about Oklahoma City.
		About a month ago, we heard a story out of Oklahoma City that a radio TV station Channel 4 there had done an interview with John Doe number two.
		Whatever became of that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they didn't do an interview with him.
		What they did was they were investigating somebody they thought might be John Doe number two.
		They never did an interview with him.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm unsure of the status of that story right now.
		I've heard a rumor that John Doe number two has now disappeared.
		And I really don't want to say any more until I get the facts because that is nothing more than a rumor.
unidentified		Yeah, that was strange.
unidentified		I heard you interview, for example, the news director for WKY there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, you did.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I did one night interview.
unidentified		And he somewhat verified.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he verified the story.
		There's no question about it.
		KFOR definitely ran the story.
		And for all I know, there's still...
unidentified		They ran the story, but it was a hoax.
unidentified		Is that what you're saying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No.
		And I have not heard that KFOR has retracted one word of it, and they've run many other stories about it.
		So I don't know what the current status is, but the last I heard, they were standing by their story.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I'm just curious that I heard that in the early morning hours and then anxiously awaiting for the day to develop and nobody picked up on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got it.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for the call.
		And if anybody in Oklahoma City can straighten us out on the latest, I would like to hear it.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello?
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		My gosh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My gosh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my gosh, I'm on the air.
unidentified		Oh, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I am going from the Mesa, Phoenix area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mesa, Phoenix.
		Yes.
		K-F-Y-I.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, I guess that's for your information and all that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty cool call letters for a talk station, you know.
unidentified		Well, yeah, well, Lycus was here once, and we can still smell him.
		Did you get my facts?
		About the kitty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
unidentified		I sent a fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what is your first name?
unidentified		Jackie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jackie's fact says, Art, your kitty's name is Spirit.
		Ghost drops like a stone.
		Think about it.
		Call her whatever you want.
		However, Spirit covers the whole character of the experience, and the name is Spirit.
		Trust me.
		Ask her and check the response to each.
		Now, how am I going to ask this cat?
unidentified		Judge, look at the cat and say, Come here, Spirit, or Come here, Ghost.
unidentified		And you'll see that she'll respond to Spirit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My cat's name is Ghost.
unidentified		Ah.
unidentified		But think about Spirit as a more rounded experience that you've had with this cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ghost?
unidentified		It has come and gone and been there and not there and a lot of character to evade you for so long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're describing a ghost.
unidentified		No, I'm not.
unidentified		A ghost just kind of like hangs it around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ghost.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My cat's name is ghost.
unidentified		Cat's name is Spirit.
unidentified		Trust me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I was going to read your facts because it's so demanding.
		I mean, it's like, you know I'm wrong.
		I do.
		Have you been through what I've been through?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
		And this cat's name is Spirit.
		I know it as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you have a cat named Spirit?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		But the cat's name is Spirit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've been here and I've been going through this.
unidentified		I know.
		But the cat's name is Spirit.
		Well, trust me.
		No, no.
		You're right.
		I'm a past master at naming animals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you are, but it's ghost.
unidentified		It'll be spirit.
unidentified		It's easier, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ghost?
unidentified		Animals come better to S-sounding words.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They do?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		S-sounding words?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		Spirit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, you know, I mean, what can I say to you?
unidentified		You could say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what.
unidentified		You could try your spirit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what.
		We'll do it in spirit.
		God, I've got to run.
		We're not going anywhere here.
		Thank you.
		We'll do it in spirit.
		My cat's name is Ghost.
		I mean, why would people want to argue with me about this?
		I've got a lot of facts like this.
		Did I get your facts?
		Yes, I got your facts.
		And now I got your call.
		Now, that's a very stubborn attitude.
		I mean, this is a cat that I've gone through hell and back for.
		It's a ghost.
		I named it Ghost.
		Its name is Ghost.
		That's all there is to it.
		And I don't even care if you can't say it many times in a row.
		It's Ghost.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		This is another crazy cat call from California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		My husband says I run a cat house anyway, so I might as well call you.
		I'm a cat breeder, and I just wanted to confirm what Barb from Phoenix said way earlier in the show.
		Your cat's coat coloring is a sex-linked genetic characteristic.
		Ghost is a she.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you think so?
unidentified		Well, I'll know for sure.
unidentified		When you're breeding cats, you've got to know the genetics of coat color.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, my wife also claims it is a she with no real knowledge to back it up.
unidentified		But I have real knowledge because I breed cats, I raised them, and I know cat genetics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, well, okay.
unidentified		Calicos and tortoise shell sex link.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, the cat I have now is a short-haired, black, big, fat sucker.
		It's a he.
		Now, how is he going to get along with she?
unidentified		Beautifully.
		And she's just a baby because she still has blue eyes.
		Her eyes will change color as she ages.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that makes sense.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		So he'll get along just beautifully with her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we'll see.
		But I do think you're right.
		I think my cat is going to love it.
		They'll be buddies.
unidentified		How old is your Abby cat?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My Abby cat is now about three and a half, almost four.
		Four years old.
		Four years old, I'll be.
unidentified		He'll get along just fine, especially once she's playing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Abby's got a lot of kitten left in him.
		And he loves to play.
		In fact, he engages me more than he should.
		And so this kitten will be great for Abby.
		I mean, it's going to keep Abby really occupied.
unidentified		Great playmate.
		And female cats are just so fun.
		I think you're really going to enjoy her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for the call.
		You take care.
		Yeah, I'm looking forward to that.
		I'm sure they'll go tearing around this house.
		A 17-pound cat, however many pounds my cat weighs, you know, when it runs real fast, sounds like a galloping horse.
		It's really incredible.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		Regarding your guest on Sunday about past life regression, I would like to point out that on some of these psychometrists who help police define who the guilty party is, that they experience a similar knowledge about the person who they're talking about.
		In particular, one was involved in a 10-year-old black girl that died back in the early 80s from a sexual rape attack and murder.
		And this lady, who was at least in her 60s, came in and helped the police define who it was that committed this crime.
		Now, she was alive 40 years before this black child was born and coexisted at the same 10 years she lived.
		And then 10 years later, she is defining how this murder happened.
		Now, it seems to me that she acquired this knowledge by other reasons than some kind of, you know, previous lives or something like that.
		There's another case where...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
unidentified		Yeah, I know, but there's another case where a guy was thrown in prison because he had in a dream what happened to this person who had been killed in this town, and he was put in jail because he knew too many details, so the police put him in jail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I recall hearing about that case.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Well, it seems to me that to jump to the fact that all this information produced out of hypnosis means that their past life seems to me a little bit premature, in other words.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, glad to see you're listening, though.
		I mean, who knows?
		Past lives, genetic memory?
		What is it?
		Who knows?
		That's why we do Dreamland to endeavor to begin to try to answer questions of that sort.
		Exactly.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Oh, good morning, Art Bell, from KEX Portland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		All right, cats have nine lives, so you might want to keep in mind that you might want to call him nine different names throughout his life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, thank you.
unidentified		Well, other than ghost, you know, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, if there were a hundred people in a room, not a one of them would agree on anything.
		I'm convinced of it.
		It wouldn't matter what I called my cat.
		Let's say that I called it what the lady said a little while ago, spirit.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There would be just as much antagonism to that name as there is to ghost.
		It wouldn't matter what name I picked.
		So I'm sticking with it.
		This cat is ghost.
		That's it.
unidentified		Okay, Art.
		Art.
		And Unabomber?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Unabomber, yes?
unidentified		Yeah.
		If he's listening, I think he should turn himself in.
		He seriously is a tree hugger and needs some psychiatric looking after.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		Thank you.
		Well, it was interesting to hear Charlie describe him earlier in a halting way as a radical left-winger.
		Charlie did say that.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		I hope he had a good 4th of July.
unidentified		I know I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was fine.
unidentified		Yes, for mine.
		It was really great.
		Good.
		Well, you know, I want to talk about Clinton and his bullets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you better do it quick.
unidentified		Okay, real fast.
unidentified		There's no cop killer bullets, per se, like the Magic Rhino or anything else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We know that.
unidentified		And remember, I told you over a year and a half ago they're going to try to get rid of the bullets of any caliber.
unidentified		Anything over a 38 special will go through real fast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		All right, thank you.
		Well, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know they're after the bullets.
		Of course they are.
		Of course they are.
		They're hand-high gunners.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Gardner.
unidentified		This is Bob in Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bob in Las Vegas.
unidentified		I've been pins and eagles here all night.
unidentified		Did the poor cat get to eat the tuna that you left there to catch them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you know what happened?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just before I could get the cat, a big dog ate it.
unidentified		Dear kitty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Got into the trap and ate it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I got into the trap and ate it, and then something came along and ate the dog.
unidentified		Well, I hope you gave the poor kitty another tin of the porch at him, because, you know, he fell for it, so he should at least get that as a reward, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, sir.
unidentified		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		We're out of time.
		Thankfully.
		See you tomorrow.

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