Art Bell opens with rescuing a tuna-loving cat—now trapped in his studio—before pivoting to July 4th stats: 80,000 tons of ribs, $300M fireworks injuring 9,000 (75% men), and Nevada’s year-round sales. Callers debate Serbia’s Bosnia role, UFOs near Vista, and China’s Spratly Islands expansion, while Bell muses on McClellan Air Force Base closures and Clinton’s political tightrope. A caller reveals Revia, a DuPont pill blocking alcohol cravings via endorphins, sparking discussion on addiction’s mental vs. physical roots. The episode blends quirky personal stories with Cold War-era space dreams, conspiracy theories, and ethical dilemmas—highlighting Bell’s signature mix of skepticism, humor, and fringe speculation. [Automatically generated summary]
As you know, those of you who listened through the grinding end of yesterday's program, I did not get my cat.
I was discouraged, upset, beginning to doubt that he was still under there, even though my wife said she heard him answer a couple of times.
And so we removed the barbecued chicken from the trap, brought the trap in, oh, I'd guess about 11 o'clock in the morning, just before I sacked out at about noon.
And we loaded the trap.
This time we used a big gun.
Brought out the Port Chatham smoked tuna.
Port Chatham is now not an advertiser.
They'll be back at some point, but they're not an advertiser now, so it's a free ad for them because it worked.
And so we cranked out the smoked tuna and put that on there and then smeared a little bit of it toward the front of the trap.
And nothing.
Until just about five minutes before I woke up for the evening, bo-woosh, my wife came in and said, guess what?
We got him.
And we did get him indeed.
We have him or her, I'm not sure yet.
And so what I've done is a pretty good size trap.
And we just, you know, the trap has a handle.
So we've just carried the trap inside, put down paper, lots of paper in the bathroom, and put the trap down on top of the paper, and put a bowl of food and water into the trap.
And it, I'm going to have to call it until I find out otherwise, is a beautiful cat.
It's young, I'm going to guess two months old.
It's orange and white with blue, very light blue eyes.
It's a beautiful cat.
It does not hiss.
It does meow when I go in there and we've got the trap covered with a towel and it seems very happy about that.
It's dark and quiet in there.
And that is where it's going to remain for the rest of its life.
No.
It will remain there until tomorrow morning at 8 o'clock when I will call and I will beg a local veterinarian to give it the appropriate tests, shots, and cleanup before it gets anywhere near my cat.
So there it is, ladies and gentlemen.
We have our cat.
Final victory.
God, it feels so good.
And so that's tomorrow morning at 8 o'clock or first crack of dawn, as soon as they're open, this cat, I don't know if it's he or she have no way of knowing, goes down to the vet and takes the first step in becoming domesticated and clean and able to interact with my other cat who now, no doubt, is going to be really ticked off.
Although he's not going nuts about it yet.
The problem is, you see, this particular bathroom is adjacent to my studio, so cat's about 10 or 15 feet away from me, really.
And if my cat and that cat get going during the night, you may have something to hear.
We'll see.
I don't know.
So there it is.
It is either the ending of the saga, or more likely the beginning of another saga as we try and domesticate this beastie that, you know, it's only a couple months old, and it's been living under our house for, I'm going to guess, two or three weeks at least.
And so I guess I feel like we rescued him and her, but whatever.
And I'm very, very pleased about it.
It's a great relief.
Now my life can go on to other things.
I mean, it's not as though I don't have anything to do.
I do a five-hour a night talk show.
I do a sixth night of Dreamland.
I'm in the middle of writing a book.
You have no idea what this book thing entails.
It's incredible.
Photographs, writing, writing, writing, writing.
Oh, boy, it's really something to do.
And I'm in the very difficult stages of it right now.
How many of you have tried to remember your incidents and things in your early childhood?
Can you?
Can you remember?
I can remember a couple of things from the crib.
That was pretty good, huh?
From the crib.
I can actually remember that.
I wonder if that's good or bad.
Probably good.
So anyway, there it is, the saga of the cat.
And as I say, my life has a lot going on in it.
So I'm very pleased, very pleased, and I'm sure many of you are who probably don't want to hear any more about it.
So we got him.
Or her.
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Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from July 4th, 1995.
A lot of other shows, or even most, are issuing repeated versions.
I choose not to do that on holidays.
I would prefer to be here.
And so here I am.
219 and still kicking.
The USA indeed turned 219 today.
It was marked by the usual parades, fireworks, celebrations, that sort of thing.
As a matter of fact, here are, I don't usually do this, but these are some pretty interesting facts about this 4th of July.
This 4th of July, 31.8 million of you out there are out on the streets driving.
Many of you at this hour.
Drive safely.
It's a lot of people.
Gas prices, accordingly, have gone up to the highest point at this time of the year in years.
An average of 1.22.8 cents per gallon.
65% of all gas stations have been open, taking advantage of the 31.8 million drivers.
80,000 tons of pork ribs have been or are being consumed.
Get this, 115 million pounds of fireworks will go off, costing $300 million.
$300 million up in smoke.
But we're having fun, right?
These fireworks will injure over 9,000 people.
75% of that number will be men.
Not exactly sure what that means.
But probably all it means is that, as a general rule, women enjoy going back and watching fireworks and are scared to death of them.
And so most men set them off.
It does not mean, as the Snide anchor on NBC seemed to imply by his refusal to comment on this, that men are dumber than women when it comes to fireworks.
I mean, more guys set off fireworks.
Girls just, they like watching.
Ooh, you know, that's pretty.
But they don't enjoy lighting the fuse and running.
Now, that's the fun part of it.
Lighting the fuse and running.
Or if you're a real fool, do what I usually do, and that's get a Coke bottle and launch bottle rockets holding it in your hand.
You know, and you end up with sort of a blackened, singed hand when it's all over.
Or they blow up in your face.
Guys are possibly dumber.
Fireworks are banned in 10 of the U.S. states.
Elsewhere, varying forms of them are legal.
Here in my county in Nevada, we have legal bang-type fireworks.
We are one of the few where you can still buy those.
Matter of fact, they've got one firework place here.
It sells them year-round.
Tells you how big they are here.
So there you have it, July 4th.
The question, of course, we're 219 now.
How much older do you think we will get?
It's a good question.
The people of Oklahoma City used the day to thank America for all the help given during the tragedy there.
The American flag in Oklahoma City raised to full staff again for the first time today.
Now, you'll recall immediately after the bombing, our president said justice would be swift, certain, and severe.
And that was the solace some of the victims' families in Oklahoma were taking today.
I would like to ask you if you think, in fact, justice will be swift, fast, in other words, certain and severe.
I think all three categories are not necessarily likely.
Swift, well, it's already moving very slowly.
Trial will probably take forever, citing O.J. Certain.
Is it certain you get a conviction when you kill your parents with a shotgun?
No.
No.
Is it certain you get a conviction when you are accused of killing your wife and some other guy?
No, not at all certain.
So is justice certain?
No.
Severe?
Well, that depends on whether it is certain, doesn't it?
I imagine if there would be a conviction, yes, that part of it might be true.
I'm getting a lot of information, background information, on the bombing in Oklahoma City, and I'm going to hold it for now.
KPOC Television in Punk City, Oklahoma, along with General Parton, I understand, a nuclear and a nuclear expert, and that should suggest something to you,
are preparing a special that will air, and there is a lot of talk of an independent investigation in Oklahoma.
A lot of people want it, including the legislature there, and maybe that will help us get to the bottom of this.
Who knows?
A problem for the president?
Oh, here's a big one.
This is a really big one.
Bill Clinton, absolutely, positively, cannot get elected without carrying the state of California.
Without California, Bill Clinton is nothing more than a, well, a new Arkansas resident, I guess.
California will very likely not re-elect Bill Clinton if he closes McClellan Air Force Base, and herein lies a big problem.
No president has ever ruled against the very much non-political commission that was set up to decide which military bases should close.
No president has dared interfere with their verdict yet.
Now, at stake, many thousands of jobs near Sacramento, which will be gone.
And as a result, there will be many angry, very angry, voters.
During a recent visit to California, that area, President Clinton all but promised to keep the base open.
Now, the White House, desperate, is beginning to talk about some kind of deal.
In other words, that will then maybe we'll close the base.
But many of the 11,000 jobs that would be lost would, he said, be passed on to the private sector and remain in California.
It is indeed a desperate attempt to save California jobs and President Clinton's job.
They had a rally near Sacramento, and one of the signs that somebody was holding up caught my attention.
It said simply, McLellan 95, as in McClellan Air Force Base, McClellan 95, Clinton 96.
Subtle, huh?
Nobody likes the compromise.
The people in California don't like it.
The workers there say it's a joke.
There's no guarantee that once the base closes, those jobs will stay in California at all.
Many have left, and many companies leave California because the cost of doing business there doesn't make you want to stay.
So they say that's no kind of compromise.
Phil Graham, up in New Hampshire right now, slammed the president for playing politics with base closings.
Now, to give you an idea of the seriousness of the problem for the White House, California Democrats say the stakes are much higher if he doesn't keep McLellan open.
In other words, he's going to lose the presidency.
Either he messes with the base closing verdict or he's going to lose.
Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat, California said, echoed those sentiments, saying, quote, absolutely, absolutely, he can't win the presidency without California.
If he tries to save McClellan Air Force Base, he would in fact be the first president to inject politics into base closings.
If he doesn't, it's a one-way ticket to Little Rock.
So I'm sure that you sympathize with this president's political dilemma.
My question to you is, what do you think he will do?
I ask you again, what do you think he will do?
Do you think he will order McLellan, rather, closed, doing, quote, the right thing, end quote?
Or do you think that he will cave into the incredible political pressure of the possible loss of California if he just closes it up?
So then he will keep it open, thinking he will keep his job.
The problem with that is everybody else, except the people near Sacramento, of course, who have personal feelings about all of this, everybody else all around the rest of the country is going to look at this president and say, what a lizard, what a chameleon.
Every Japanese newscast when I was in Tokyo, and I was in the subway system, don't think I didn't think about it in Tokyo.
I was very much in it for quite a while.
And I thought about it.
It's very clean, very beautiful, and apparently now very dangerous.
So has their cultural virginity gone now?
Yeah, I think it's on the way.
Ah, the price of modern society.
And that brings me very nicely into my next topic, which is the Unibomber.
A Berkeley University professor has now responded to a letter, the big manifesto that the Unibomber has sent out to now the Times, The Post, Guciani, and now this Berkeley professor.
And so he responded, his name is Professor Tom Tyler.
And he said in an open letter to the Unibomber published in the San Francisco Chronicle that he, quote, shares the Unibomber's concerns about modern life, but noted that violence makes people resist change, end quote.
And I was wondering, you know, all the Unibommers' deeds, evil deeds aside, how many of you would also say you share the Unabomber's concerns about modern life?
From the internet to movies and television, pollution, deforestation, whatever your concerns are, computers, about modern life, and there's a lot to be concerned with, not all bad.
Would you say you share his concerns?
And to what degree?
I mean, here's a guy who has killed over it, apparently.
And so to what degree do you share his concerns?
I'm sure not enough to go out and bomb anybody.
But do you have some sympathy with the apparent contents, or the alleged contents, since I have not seen them, of his wordy manifesto that the Post or New York Times may publish?
I'm Art Bell, and we'll be right back.
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Art Clinton will interfere with the base closings in California only long enough to be able to promise that the related jobs will not be lost.
Then, hopefully, the people in their wisdom will remember his lack of credibility and vote against him anyway.
So there you are.
From a magazine called Earth Systems Monitor, an article entitled NGDC monitors frequency of recent destructive tsunami events.
It begins in a way I thought, you know, we have this constant discussion about earthquake frequency and all the rest of it.
And here's a little more evidence.
The last three years have seen an unusual, apparent increase in the frequency of destructive tsunami events.
First, a group of three very destructive tsunamis occurred in the months between September of 92 and July of 93, resulting in more than 1,300 deaths.
After an 11-month period, a second series of five destructive tsunamis began in June of 94.
No other 2.3-year period since the turn of the century has had eight destructive tsunamis.
So I just thought you would all be interested in hearing that little bit of quickening info.
And somebody sent this facts, a good topic for discussion.
I do not believe this made the national news.
And I should hasten to add, I can't, I have no way of knowing if this is true.
Okay?
We'll confirm it.
But here we go.
I do not believe this made the national news.
President Clinton spent a portion of his day losing, quote, his money, end quote, my money, your money, gambling it away on the riverboat casinos here in Kansas City.
I'm not sure this is appropriate for the President of the USA to take part in gambling, being there are a lot of voters who oppose this type of thing.
Could it be he picked Kansas City to do this thing because it's Bob Dole country, and he knows the voters here will most likely not vote for him anyway?
So can anybody confirm that?
Was the president really gambling on July 4th on a riverboat in Kansas City?
In preparation for doing this book that I'm doing, I had my mom, who did a great deal of work, rescue all kinds of articles about her early Marine Corps career.
God, photographs, family, photographs and everything.
And She did a wonderful job, and I got this giant package of stuff.
And I'm a computer enthusiast, as you know, and I do a lot of photo scanning now of my own.
And I've become fairly good what I do.
And here comes this picture of my dad on Guadalcanal.
He was in the 1st Marine Division that hit Guadalcanal.
And there was a picture of him with his rifle in fatigues, with his cap, Marine cap.
It's got all kinds of camouflage-type stuff sticking out of it, looking for all the world like John Wayne.
And I spent a couple of hours reviving this picture, and I have brought it back to life.
It is, no doubt, one that's going to be published in the book, but I thought I would put a little teaser up there.
It's such a cool picture that if anybody wants it, it's up on our bulletin board as of right now.
And it is titled Dad D A D M, which stands for Marine, .gif.
Dad M.G.I.F.
And I would love to talk to one of you who manages to download it and get a good look at it and call me up and tell me if that isn't John Wayne.
I mean, he's got a John Wayne look to him.
He also related, well, there's plenty of newspaper articles in there about my dad's views on the battle at Guadalcanal, and he was very much in the thick of it.
At any rate, that photograph is on our Bulletin Board Service.
Bear in mind, this is a very, although I did a pretty good job, but it's a very old, very old photograph.
And I'd just be interested in what you think, and you can take a look at him, see if he looks like me.
Hi there.
On the West of the Rockies line, you're on the air.
I wanted to respond to the gentleman that called yesterday from Hawaii, and he seemed thoroughly confused as to why Serbia doesn't want the UN to leave in Bosnia.
There's three basic reasons.
They get indirect help with ethnic cleansing.
They go into a town and say, you know, you get these people out of here or we'll shoot them.
They get food and medicine either by hijacking the trucks or the UN gives them a percentage of what they get.
And most importantly, as long as the UN is there, they don't get bombed.
Yeah, I've trapped a couple of mice, and I don't kill them.
I generally put them in a little bottle with a hole punched in it and carry them as far away as I can from my house and let them run free in the field.
I don't believe in killing.
I just don't.
And I know that puts me at odds with many, but to me, life is life, and it is really precious, and I really mean it.
We'll be right back.
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tonight featuring coast to coast a m from the fourth of july nineteen ninety five well now we're a hundred nineteen going on a hundred and i It's hard to think of those sorts of ages, isn't it?
Even though it's short, it's long compared to human life.
Yeah, I was just calling to point out this, even though I'm certainly on the side of people in our area that need jobs and people that work for military bases, this notion of Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer and Clinton engaging this political shekinery over base closing.
Well, I heard Feinstein yesterday say, absolutely, absolutely, the president cannot win without California.
Now, he's between a rock and a very hard place, indeed.
What does he do?
Does he close McClellan, or does he, for the first time in all of history, tamper politically with the non-political base closing commission for his own hide?
You know what I think?
I think he loses either way.
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Yeah, I think he mismanaged it.
But it's really like some of these people like we call her Sweinstein up here.
But when she was mayor, you know, they didn't want this battleship based in San Francisco.
All these people, they were saying, well, we hate the military, blah, blah, blah.
But now that these defense contractors and bases are closing, you know, and they're losing tax revenue.
And personally, I mean, with what you were pointing out about China selling weapons and North Korea selling weapons, I think we need to keep our military strong.
There's a good argument that we're going too far with the base closings.
And frankly, I think that is a good argument.
It is not, however, the president's dilemma.
Personally, he doesn't much like the military.
Everybody knows that.
I'm sure he'd just soon see a close.
Has nothing to do with that.
Has to do with his political future.
He's got to have California.
Without California, the man is nothing but another guy from Arkansas, you know.
Well, that's not true.
He'd be ex-president.
But he's got to have California.
Now, if he closes the base, people in California are going to be truly upset with him.
And he'll probably lose California and the presidency.
On the other hand, if he keeps the base open and messes around politically with what a non-political committee has decided, then he's going to be seen as a guy saving his own political hide.
But then, on the other hand, that's never bothered him before.
So it's a real dilemma.
What do you think the president will do?
Will he opt to save McLellan or his own hide?
Well, actually, it's one and the same.
Or maybe it is.
I mean, there is the rest of the country, and they could see this as a very, very partisan political manipulation of the military for political gain type decision.
You know what I would like to do, and maybe somebody up in the Bay Area Commission, the FCC, would be kind enough to send me some sort of response on this.
I would like to do one night a show on ham radio.
But you know me, I don't want to do it the way everybody else has done it.
And I am very fortunate, many of you may not know, I broadcast from my home.
And in my room, I have it divided into three segments.
One segment, one side of the wall, is all a broadcast studio, the one I'm speaking from right now.
The second half of the room is my ham setup.
And the third is my computer setup.
And I've got a sort of a little runway that my wife built.
I'm not good mechanically.
I'm good electrically or, you know, with things electronic.
But I'm not worth a damn mechanically.
My wife used to be a carpenter.
So she built me a runway of very thick plywood covered with the kind of tile you'd find in your kitchen.
And I've got a little chair, and I can literally move.
Well, here, it gives you an idea.
Watch this.
There.
Now I'm sitting in front of my ham station, and I've got a nice long cord on my mic, and here I am back at the broadcast.
So it's that close.
And I thought it would be really fun and fun for the listeners if we could actually hook up, and I could, I could hook up the audio output of my ham rig and bring it directly here into the board and put it on the air.
And I could go on the air on 75 meters, probably at this time of night, and talk to some hams Out there and put them on the air with you.
The only catch in this is that I'm not sure it's legal.
So I would like to get a ruling from the Commission on whether something like that would be legal to do.
And if it is, then I think I just might do it.
Wouldn't that be fun?
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There's a man across town, very nice guy, here in town in Brump, who is running it.
It's a multi-node system.
It's really hot stuff.
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I see.
Yeah, I just called up to make you aware, too, that there's like a chat group on the Internet also that people are pretty much discussing you on there.
Now, they allow everybody in there for something like 15 minutes free once a day.
If you want more time, you join.
It's $10 or something, big deal, for a year.
That gets you a lot more time.
In the meantime, what you could do is to get a real modem.
Now, I don't mean to insult your 2400, but that technology went by many years ago.
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Well, that sounds like a good answer to my question because the first, very, very first time I got on, it said I could stay on 30 minutes, and I downloaded your biography.
You know, and then makes it run and chases it again and licks it some more.
Doesn't want to eat it or kill it, just licks it and plays with it.
So I let him catch the mouse, and then I get it in a little jar and I punch holes in the jar, and I take the jar as far away from the house as I can and turn it loose.
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I thought maybe you had a little mouse trap, that non-harming mouse trap that you used.
Okay, well, here's what I think of it, and then I'll tell you what I think he should do.
I think that if he goes ahead and manipulates it and gets the civilian jobs there in California and actually changes the decision, it will not hurt him in other states because the people who are against him are already going to vote against him because, you know, the gay's in the military, he's a communist, he's a draft Dodger, the Gatton Nasser.
They've got many reasons to vote against him already.
So he's not going to pick up any that way.
He might have an effect in California.
And the competing base that was closed between McClellan was the one in San Antonio, this Kelly Air Force Base, and he's already lost Texas to the Republican, probably Pat Buchanan.
So he gains everything by going ahead and doing his little deal and trying to do what he's going to do to get the jobs in California.
Okay, get these other bases, the empty ones, and put barbed wire on them.
Get some helicopters, paint them black, and then round up the nuts that call into some of these talk radio shows and make their self-fulfilling promising.
Gee, from one of my board ops, Vincent, Mr. Bell, good morning, sir.
I've been your board operator at WDUNAM55 in Gainesville, Georgia, ever since we became an affiliate.
I'd like to know who do I have to get in touch with to become part of your team.
Well, actually, I don't have a team.
Well, I have my wife.
That's it.
Now, there is, of course, the network, and you are welcome to contact the network.
Alan Corbeth loves talking to aspiring talk show hosts.
Alan Corbeth is the boss guy there.
The base closure committee, ART, this is from Cliff in Santa Barbara, determined that the closing of McLellan Air Force Base would save between $11 and $21 million annually.
This savings to the federal government is minuscule compared to the loss that would be suffered by the state of California.
You are using the issue to grind your axe with the president.
No, I'm not.
No, that's not true.
I'm actually enjoying it.
Now, that's not axe grinding.
Enjoyment is not axe grinding.
I see the president with an insurmountable no-win situation, and I am genuinely enjoying it.
Well, I guess that might be axe-grinding.
Anyway, you're using this, blah, blah, blah.
California is still suffering from the lingering residue of the failed Republican economic strategy of the 80s and the removal of defense funds in the 90s.
If you want to address a real issue, why not talk about the $250 billion in funds that the Pentagon did not ask for that was pushed through Congress by a Republican committee chairman whose home district is reaping over 90% of the money?
Don't get the idea that I'm a liberal with an axe to grind.
No.
I'm an independent who's tired of both parties and their spokesman stirring up emotions and preventing the honest debate of both parties' failed policies.
You are quick to show the cynicism of the left, as it should be.
But don't ignore the cynicism and false conservatism of the right.
Just days after Dole lashed out at Times Warner, he sponsored a bill for them and the other media giants.
This is the nastiest kind of cynicism.
Love Dreamland, love the alien line, be a bit more balanced in your criticisms.
They were not so much criticisms, frankly.
Yes, they were.
I've got to be honest.
You see, if the president closes the base, he loses California, good likelihood.
Even Feinstein yesterday said he can't win without California, so he loses.
Now, on the other hand, if he interferes with the base closing order, he'll be seen to be playing a political game for personal gain.
Now, it may be that America is so used to seeing our president do that that they won't even flinch.
But I would think that most of America would say, my God, here a non-political committee decides to close a base and you, Mr. President, save your own hide, keep it open.
So they'd be upset with him for that.
They would see our president as acting to protect his own hide versus that of the country.
So the way I figure it, he loses either way.
And I'm going to enjoy watching what he does.
So I guess you could translate that enjoyment that I'm feeling, that obvious warm, fuzzy political pleasure that it generates deep within my gut, axe grinding, in a sense.
And these two, I guess something else too, though, these two arch enemies, Russia and China, you know, where they say that eventually they will merge into one large army, you know?
It was a gamble, but he comes out on the other side stronger.
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I know.
And I read where his kind of refusal to go along with this European currency kind of put him out of favor with the New World Art of Globalists, and they wanted to actually remove him.
Right.
And so it is hopeful that he did win the vote of confidence.
All right, having seen Apollo 13 and listening to your comments about space exploration and where we've gone with it, I've done a lot of thinking.
The country needs to rediscover the space program.
The Jim Lovells, Neil Armstrong, and Buzz Aldrins of this country put their lives on the line for space exploration, and we have done absolutely nothing with it.
They took the risk to give us knowledge, and we've spit on their contributions by not following through with the space program as it was invented.
Gus Grissom and the crew of Gemini and the Challenger astronauts died for the idea of space exploration.
And for what?
So we can launch satellites for AT ⁇ T?
I don't think so.
Those who believe we need to solve our social problems on Earth before we continue out into space are not seeing the big picture.
Though space exploration can, with it, we can solve our problems.
Colonizing other planets will give us the breathing space we desperately need.
It'll create jobs, prefabricated structures for houses, will need to be made on assembly lines.
There'll be a demand for engineers, as they will need to invent things needed for survival on these planets we inhabit.
The types of jobs which would be created by space exploration could be endless.
You know, it wouldn't take that much for us to get going again.
We don't need the competition from the Russians to spark us.
As Jim Lovell said, going to the moon wasn't a miracle.
We just decided to go.
Eric.
Right, Eric, I agree with you.
And if we need something, a goal, to replace the Cold War, then I think space is perfect.
What about a president who would stand up and say we're going to Mars and really mean it and begin to pour serious money into it?
Well, a lot of people would complain.
I would not be one of them.
I would love to see that happen in my lifetime.
The way the budget is progressing, I do not expect it.
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It has been doing great box office, but it is going to do better box office than the post-apocalyptic movies like Judge Dredd and this water world that's coming up.
Every time somebody calls from Washington, it reminds me, in 11 minutes, we move from KVI to KOMO in Seattle.
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You know, I was sort of thinking about this Japanese trade environment, and it sort of reminds me of 1945 when before they started bombing Pearl Harbor, they had somebody in the White House debating peace with those guys.
emergency network that the government would use in case of Ham radio, see, I can put that on the air, and I can actually, if I could get permission, and I could let the audience hear the person I'm talking to wherever they are.
That'd be really interesting.
there'd be a lot of audience participation but don't you think it would be interesting to uh...
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And for all of you who are just joining us, good morning.
Good to be with you.
I'm Art Bell.
And there are a lot of stations in the last couple of hours that came online.
By now, everybody who's going to be there, pretty much, is there.
So I feel obligated to tell this story one more time.
I got my cat, folks.
As you know, yesterday morning, the trap had not worked.
And we had chicken, actually barbecued chicken in there.
I mean, we're talking good chicken here.
Chicken, I would like to have.
But it didn't work.
He didn't come out and didn't come out and didn't come out and didn't come out.
And even after the show, I would keep checking.
About every half hour, it was useless.
Finally, at 11 o'clock in the morning, he wasn't even talking to us, right?
At 11 o'clock in the morning, we brought the trap inside.
And what we did is we smeared a little porched am tuna juice at the beginning of the trap.
And then put a full can of tuna at the rear of the trap.
That was at about 11 o'clock in the morning.
Well, I slept until about 7, I think, this evening.
Got up shortly before 7, actually, about a quarter to 7.
And about five minutes before I got up, whap, the door shuts, and we got Ghost.
Now, quite a victory, I would say.
I'm exceptionally pleased about this.
Ghost is now still in the trap.
What we did is we brought, you know, the trap has a handle.
It's a good big trap.
And so we brought the trap in and laid down a whole bunch of newspaper on the bathroom floor, which is carpeted here, and put the trap on top of that, which, and then put a food and water bowl in the trap.
And ghost will remain in the trap until morning, about seven or eight o'clock, as soon as I can get hold of a veterinarian, ghost will be going to the vet, where ghost will get examined, cleaned, given shots, given tests.
All the things that you've got to get done for a cat will get done, and then Ghost will be free of the trap and in the house, but not until then.
Now, when I go into a commercial break, I will try something.
I will go and get Ghost and bring him in here for a moment and see if we can get him to talk to you.
Talking is not exactly what I would describe what he does.
He hasn't been hissing.
He has once at me.
Mostly it's just meowing.
And he's a beautiful cat.
He's only about two months old.
I knew that, about two months old.
And he's kind of orange and white and has beautiful blue eyes.
This is a pretty kitten.
So anyway, there it is.
The story of Ghost.
We've got him.
And or her.
Actually, I don't know yet, and I don't have the body parts to try and find out right now.
We're talking about a low-frequency receiver in the last hour.
Somebody said, guess what, Art?
It's in the catalog.
So if you've got a secret catalog, you can look for the Earth listening receiver in there, I guess.
And they do have it.
Now, let me catch you up on a little bit of the news that we're talking about.
The big story is what the president is to do.
Oh, what is the president to do?
It's such a quandary for him.
I feel emotional pain.
Yes, I feel his pain when I think about the problem that he's got with McClellan Air Force Base.
You see, the base closing commission said close it.
Presidents do not interfere with what this commission does.
They never have until now.
On the one hand, if the president closes the base, even with some mixed-up promises to somehow try to keep the jobs in California, the California voters are going to be really ticked off at him.
And that's not good because in order to be re-elected, this president must carry California.
Even Senator Dianne Feinstein said it.
Absolutely, she said, absolutely He cannot win the presidency without California.
So, the president is in a pickle.
If he closes the base, he could lose California and the presidency.
One-way ticket back to Little Rock.
If he interferes and orders the base to stay open, he could, he will be seen by the rest of the country as a man doing something purely political against the nation's best nature to save his own pathetic political hide.
Now, I do have some sympathy with the position that he's in.
I mean, he is a politician, and I'll try to be fair here.
Governor Wilson also, I understand, favors keeping the base open.
I mean, this is a political world, and if you're a Californian, you've got to favor it, I guess.
But the Prez, you know, the buck stops there, and I figure he's going to lose either way.
Keeps it open, everybody else is angry, sees him as a political dog.
If he closes the base, everybody in California is angry, sees him as a mean-spirited Democrat, and doesn't vote for him, and he gets booted out of office.
So, oh, what is he to do?
I surely, I feel his pain, and I wonder if you do too.
And the question is, what do you think he will do?
And it's an awfully good question.
The Unibomber has sent a Berkeley University professor a letter that he received from, well, he's responded to a letter he got from the Unibomber.
Tom Tyler said in an open letter to the Unibomber published in the San Francisco Chronicle, that he shares the Unibomber's concerns about modern American life, but that violence makes people resist change.
And I wonder how many of you share the Unibomber's concern about modern scientific technological American life?
The internet, television, movies, pollution, we've got it.
Deforestation, we've got it.
How many of you would express deep concern and would actually say that you share the Unibomber's feelings on this, if not his action?
The shuttle and Mir undocked at 7.09 a.m. yesterday morning.
They will return tomorrow, I understand, with two Russian cosmonauts and our guy who's been up there and I'm sure will be glad to be home.
It was indeed a cosmic ballet.
Remember 2001?
They could have put music to it, and finally one of the networks did yesterday, and it was beautiful.
How many of you think by the year 2300 we will be out populating other planets elsewhere?
Or will we just sort of stick around, worry about pollution and ozone and stuff?
Or do you think eventually we'll get the spirit, we'll get the space program going again, we will provide a goal and a reason for Americans to strive and work.
It'll create jobs.
Oh, I could go on and on.
The case for the space program is a strong one.
We ought to get going.
Be a good thing for this president to grab and run with.
So, all of that's up for a talk.
I've got a story on immigration.
O.J., the trial gets going again tomorrow, and it's about to get very interesting.
The final witness for the prosecution is Nicole Simpson's mom.
And after that, it will be the defense turn.
The big question, whether or not OJ will go on the stand, would you put him on the stand?
I was talking about blue-tip matches yesterday morning, and this fellow, Gunner, he calls himself in Palm Desert, sends the following art.
A blue-tip match story.
When I was eight years of age, I filled a large glass Coke bottle full of blue-tip matches and strapped it to a roller skate in an attempt to make a homemade rocket sled.
Our home had hardwood floors and a very long hallway.
So I pointed it down the hallway and set it off.
The result exceeded my wildest imagination.
Fire shot out the end of the Coke bottle a good 10 feet, accompanied by copious, acrid smoke.
Unfortunately, the vehicle lacked control and crashed soon after takeoff.
After the crash, it sat there madly spinning, shooting fire out the nozzle.
Listen, I want to talk about this Unabomber thing in kind of a larger context, because I've been trying to call you for days about the Supreme Court decision about the Endangered Species Act.
Well, did you hear the man who called yesterday and said he equated Mother Earth to a living organism that very shortly now is going to spit mankind out of the world?
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sure did.
And I agree with that, but I also think that we've hastened the process tremendously.
I mean, these things may well go in cycles, and we've greatly increased it.
And even if that's true, is that what you want?
I mean, you're talking a few minutes ago about exploring space.
Do we want to get knocked back to the Dark Ages, especially if we don't have to?
It's my belief that the technology has made it possible for us to sidestep the most basic of human things.
In other words, you live in your little well-insulated box.
It's air conditioned.
You don't know there's a desert out there.
Everybody's gotten soft because the technology has made it so possible to be soft.
And the medical world has made it possible for us to survive possibly longer than we should.
We're not even genetically, you know, choosing the best people to survive anymore because some people who are basically sickly all their lives are still reproducing, adding to the gene pool, et cetera.
So I think technology in a way is enabling us to become such a weaker species that we are basically blind to the realities of life.
I'm sure in their view, it does, you know, they're not intending to desecrate anything.
And I'd have to think how I feel about it.
I don't have a ready answer for you.
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Actually, I was just calling to see if you had heard it, and also to say I really enjoy the show, and I'm waiting with bated breath for our station to pick up Dreamland.
I could hear him in my headphone, so I think that meant that you could hear him.
At any rate, um.
Here's a fact just in, aren't please help me.
I'm a member of your BBS.
You know, the bullet board.
Can't figure out how to download files.
I'm new to computers.
Within the last month, I'm desperate to see some of the fantastic stuff on the board.
If the matter is too complex to explain on the air, at least tell me where I can find the help I need.
Love you here at WTAZ Talk Radio 102 in Peoria.
Well, it is too hard to explain on the air, or actually I don't even think I could.
It depends on your individual situation.
I will tell you this much technical data.
You need a good computer.
You need a modem, preferably 2400 baud or better.
The 14.4s or the 288s are really nice.
You need in your computer the ability to view files in the 640 by 480 times 256 color format.
At least that.
And most of all, you've got to know how to download.
And what I recommend is, Don, that you get hold of somebody there in your dialing area, you know, a bulletin board there in Peoria, and I'm sure they have many of them.
And get some help.
Or get a friend who's got a computer, has been doing it for a while, knows how to download, and get some help.
That's the best advice I can give you.
Get your help locally.
And once you've figured out how to download, it's not a big deal.
You probably need to do a little work, a little brainstrain.
And you'll figure it out.
And then you'll be able to call our bulletin board with assurance and know that you know what you're doing.
By the way, while I'm on the subject, I'm writing this book, and my mom prepared me a whole, just a tremendous, All these materials she sent me, and I have got photographs of myself as a baby.
I've got photographs of my mom when she got married and when she was pregnant with me.
As a matter of fact, I've got a picture of my mom one day before I was born.
One day.
I've got a picture of my mom and the Marines, several really nice ones, as a matter of fact, and those will go into the book.
But there was one picture I found that I just fell in love with.
It's of my dad.
And my dad was with the 1st Marine Division that hit Guadalcanal, and that was a hell of a fight, I'll tell you.
And it was faded to the point where you could barely detect the photograph.
And I took the program in my computer that I work with, I pride myself now in my scanning abilities, and I resurrected this photograph, and I brought it back.
And I tell you, here's my dad, must have been, I guess, a lieutenant then.
I know when he came back from Guadalcanal, he was a captain at that point.
But must have been a lieutenant then.
And he's sitting, I guess, at Guadalcanal.
And he's got his rifle in his hands.
And he's got a hat, you know, typical Marine hat for those days on, decorated with all kinds of bushes.
I mean, he looked in fatigues.
And if this isn't John Wayne, I don't know that I've ever seen John Wayne.
So that photograph is now on the bulletin board.
It is sort of a teaser for some of the ones that are going to be in the book.
This is really cool.
I think it's cool.
So if you want to download a photograph of my dad at Guadalcanal, all you've got to do is dial up the bulletin board, and the name of the file is DadD A D M. Dad M. That to me just meant Dad Marines.
Dot GIF.
Dad M.G.I.F.
It now is on the bulletin board.
And I'd love to get your opinion when you get the photograph.
i think that he just went into a jealous rage and just went nuts and she puts him on if they put him on the stand she's going to tear him up he's his story is going to have so many holes in it it isn't even funny but no matter what i still feel that he's going to go to jail because of his popularity and because of him being so famous i don't think he'll see even one minute of serious jail time.
Oh, I think it's fairly serious jail time he's already had.
I thank you for the call, and I do somewhat disagree.
I don't think there...
Ooh, a lot of cynicism.
That would be bad.
Very bad, my opinion.
More likely, it will be a hung jury, and most likely they will retry him.
And we will get to go through, oh, what do you say?
Another six months of another trial?
Don't you suppose?
I was talking earlier tonight.
I've been threatening to do this for years.
I would like to do a show on ham radio.
And I don't mean have my show on ham radio.
I mean that I think it would be great someday to actually take the output of my transceiver and hook the audio up to my board and be able to make a few contacts on the air and to air the entire thing so that you could hear it clearly.
Ham radio is such a wonderful hobby, but, you know, I understand the eyes of many would glaze over.
And to do a show just talking about ham radio, and I know Ray Bream, who I know, who's a friend, used to do those kinds of shows.
But I've got my ham rig right next to my broadcast setup.
And I could literally hook the two up.
And I could actually let you hear me talking to people on the air.
Now, the legality of doing something like that is very obscure.
We really don't know.
And I just got a fax on it.
And what I'm actually asking is that somebody in the FCC send me a fax and let me know.
Now, this is not from the FCC, but it attempts to cover it.
Happen to be in my ham chack listening to your show.
Some answers.
Using ham for broadcasting and the rebroadcast of ham signals is covered in the rules section 97.113.
The rules prohibit using your ham radio to broadcast to a wide audience, except ARRL's Morse code practice sessions and similar things.
This, of course, is not what you are talking about.
You also can't use your ham to do news gathering for a broadcast facility.
However, in the FCC rulebook published by the ARRL 7th edition, it says on page 7-2 that a broadcast station can rebroadcast a ham conversation live or taped for demonstration purposes such as showing a field day, as long as the ham station is not doing something directly related to program production or news gathering for broadcast purposes.
So, it's a judgment call.
It sounds like you are demonstrating the art of ham radio.
Yes, that's right.
It's what I wanted to do.
But I guess you could also consider it related to program production.
So, I don't know.
It looks to me like it would be okay, but you ought to read the rule yourself.
Well, I already knew, thank you, John, in Portland, that it was kind of a gray area, and that's why I was saying if there's anybody in the FCC out there, you guys do listen, and gals, send me a fax and let me know whether you think it's cool or not.
All I want to do is do an interesting program on ham radio, and instead of the usual talk about it, which I think bores people, and since I operate right next to my ham station, I thought, you know, I could just wire the output of the transceiver right here into the board and actually bring the audio up so that you could hear it as I hear it,
and the people I talk to, for demonstration purposes, would know they're on the air, being broadcasted nationwide.
So bearing all that in mind, I wonder if it's legal.
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Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from July 4th, 1995.
As far as the Unit Bomber, first of all, if we catch him, you know, he's got to probably get the death penalty.
That goes without saying, he probably should.
But I can understand his point from a certain viewpoint.
I believe that if you look at some of these multinational corporations and conservatives who want to bend over backwards to kiss their Heiny, let them do anything they want to do, and have absolutely no controls over them whatsoever.
Actually, if you look at it, it's very interesting.
You look at the very extreme liberals.
They're all very intelligent.
Whereas the extreme right-wingers, you've got guys like McVay, whose IQ is probably below sea level.
I think it says a lot about political philosophies.
Let me say, lastly, on this base closing thing, if it were up to me, I'd close every base in the United States almost, except for maybe one or two or something like that.
Sure you would.
I think other than farm subsidies, it may be corporate welfare.
I think military industrial complex, now that you mentioned it, is one of the biggest welfare programs in the world.
So tell me, Charlie, now the President is in a bit of a pickle here.
And what do you think he ought to do?
Should he go ahead and close it and just the consequences in California be damned?
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Well, the politically correct thing to do would be to keep it open.
But the morally correct thing to do would be simply to, you know something, you could close all these military bases and use that money.
Because if you're going to use, I'll tell you what, if I were to call your show and say, you know what, we need some make-work programs like Franklin Roosevelt had, just putting people to work and just paying them money.
If I called and said that, you'd be the first person to disagree with me.
And yet a lot of these unnecessary bases, that's exactly what that is.
Exactly what it is.
And so if you're going to do that, why not just take the money and say, all right, so then, all right, all right, you've drawn it out well.
It sounded painful for you in a way, but you told the truth.
So given a choice between doing the morally correct thing and the politically correct thing, meaning for Bill Clinton's own butt, he will do the politically correct thing for Bill Clinton's own butt.
And those were the words, though they came out haltingly, of Charles on what the president will do.
Fascinating.
So, ladies and gentlemen, after hearing Charles mutter and sputter about the president's predicament, I think it's a great topic.
Which do you think he will do?
I'm not asking you which you think he should do.
In other words, to close McLellan or not.
I'm asking you what you think he will do.
Will he act to do the moral thing, as Charles put it, and close the base?
Or will he act to do the Clinton-esque type thing, which is to protect his political butt and ensure his re-election?
Oh, what, oh, what to do?
The president has a problem, and I'd like to hear what you think he will do.
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You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time.
Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM from July 4th, 1995.
Just got a note from the WKY Oklahoma City News Department, and it reads as follows, Art, this is to correct the caller from Oklahoma City on your show about 4.40 this morning, I guess, their time.
Our state legislature is not calling for an independent investigation of the Oklahoma City bombing.
Actually, a single legislator wants the state house to conduct an investigation.
But this legislator apparently has his own agenda with regard to the nature of the explosion using so-called experts on explosives.
Some political watchers say he's digging his own political grave.
Regarding the KFOR report, Channel 4 is continuing to follow up on its own investigation.
We plan to have the reporter and news director on the air here at WKY when and if they finish that investigation.
They have not, however, had a follow-up story in the last several days.
And considering that Vietnam, a constant enemy of China, is also disputing this, that China has now taken over Indonesia's oil fields that they've said, that they'd agreed to before in previous agreements saying these oil fields are yours, no problem.
Now they've decided that it's theirs.
Now, I really, I hate to sound all conspiracy-minded and doom and gloomy here.
Anyway, but I really do feel that there is some collusion on the administration's part.
American administrations in the past, of course, before with the Soviets backing India so much, but I feel that there's still a certain amount of collusion in that.
Okay, but look, you know, you could make the same kind of case with Taiwan, for example, and the way we've treated that.
But you cannot ignore China, and if you do so, you do it at your own peril, and there are national security considerations that go beyond Taiwan, the Spratlys, or maybe even what they're selling to Pakistan.
I don't know.
It's an open question.
It's not an easy decision.
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Well, the spooky thing about the Spratleys, though, is that you mentioned national security.
You try to walk a fine line, and you try to prevent that by allowing them to expand dramatically, economically, and you try and sort of keep them on that fine line and say, don't do this and don't do that, or you're going to ruin your chances economically.
And you try to hope that will have an influence on them.
I don't see what else you do.
What would you do?
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Well, goodness.
I mean, I'm a rather hawkish dove, a hawkish left-winger, but I'm no fan of China's.
But I personally, I'd have withdrawn their most favorite nation trading status long ago.
Look, I'm not entirely unsympathetic to this decision by the President being a difficult one.
It is.
There's no easy answer here.
China is a power.
China cannot be ignored.
It's a nuclear power.
China is soon to be an economic power that would scare the hell out of you if you ever saw it.
China does things on a scale that, frankly, for most Americans, it's just unimaginable.
If you ignore China, you definitely do it at your own peril.
If you cast off all influence over China, the odds are she's going to react and do things that will very much displease you.
On the other hand, if she's going to do things that are going to end up with Iran getting a nuclear missile capable of landing a warhead in the US of A, well, it's a tough call, is what I'm trying to say.
A very, very tough call.
And while I'm kind of joking about the President's political dilemma domestically, the international one with China is no joke.
And I'm not even sure I know what the right answer is.
It's going to take a little bit of thought.
You don't give up your influence just like that because that's the only hope you've got.
On the other hand, when you have determined that you absolutely can have no influence and what China is doing is directly detrimental to this country's national security, then you do what you have to do.
And then in the same article, in the same newspaper that is that day, the next day after the UFO sighting, there was a 4.3 earthquake about 30 miles out in the ocean here.
And I felt that.
I was about 2.15 in the afternoon, and I felt that.
Yeah, one other thing in Timothy Goode's book, Above Top Secret, he mentions Britain's Lord Mountbatten made a suggestion investigating these things that perhaps these were actual living things themselves, not vehicles.
And an interesting point, doing a survey of royal history, I've been in communication with the palaces and things.
And the old Queen Mother, who's 95 years old, has a side thing in some messages to her about royal history.
I mentioned Lord Mountbatten's study of this, and they did not ignore the letter.
that found You've got to imagine somebody in the media like myself could pressure them, in effect, into giving me this kind of clearance so that I could know things so that they could keep me quiet.
Being a devotee of Ann Rand and objectivist epistemology, you know, I really honestly believe that production is mankind's highest calling to be a productive individual no matter what you feel.
And, you know, it seems that Charles would be happy if the whole world was just one giant looters festival that the productive were robbed to.
Yeah, you know, it's amazing all these federal agents taking oaths to uphold the Constitution first and foremost, and they haven't the faintest, foggiest idea what lies within.
All right, so then what one day, 10 or 20 years from now, when Iran has lobbed an atomic weapon onto the East Coast somewhere, somebody will reach back and remember and blame Clinton for ignoring it?
You see, yes, it is.
The difficulty of the decisions is very similar.
China is selling missiles that can carry nuclear warheads to Pakistan.
He's selling parts for the same missiles to Iran.
China is doing that now.
We have satellite intelligence and we have satellite, excuse me, human intel on the ground, both of which confirm this is going on.
It mandates we cut off trade with China.
What do you think you will do?
Well, for now, nothing.
The administration is saying, well, it seems like circumstantial evidence to us.
Circumstantial?
Because it's high-like photographs.
Circumstantial.
You've got agents on the ground saying it's already a done deal.
And you're sitting there in the White House saying, Ah, that's just circumstantial.
But I do sympathize with the difficulty of the decision to cut off trade with China completely is dangerous in a lot of ways.
You know, they've been looking for that for years.
But the basic human condition is one that craves escape, craves pleasure, and it's a very complicated, complex thing separating somebody from a true addiction because it is physical and psychological.
Well, I'm going to have to go through it now, and I don't want to go through it, so I don't want to hear about it.
Art, I just had to contact you about your new cat.
The man who called was actually right about his definition of declawing.
You know, and on and on and it's going to go.
Don't declaw your cat.
Well, this cat is going to be declawed, front only, and is going to be fixed in whichever way it turns out.
We're actually not sure whether ghost is a boy or a girl yet.
That is going to happen.
There's going to be a feline leukemia test.
There are going to be shots.
There's going to be a bath.
There is going to be everything you can imagine.
And then there's going to be an inside-only cat.
And that's the way I do it, subject-dropped.
For those of you who think it's mean and cruel, fine.
We're going to have to disagree.
but in the morning i guarantee my nazi uniform goes on and i go down to doctor mingle and i give him my kitty and that's it And so the fight's going to go on.
And then I get another one that says, where the heck is it?
enough already tell all of the animal rights uh...
activist to I have a Siamese who's clawless.
That's all four paws.
She scales fences, catches birds.
We're talking some mondo blue jays here, and yes, even squirrels.
I've come home to several beheaded squirrels on my front porch.
Oh, my.
So don't let anyone tell you they cannot function properly.
And blah, blah.
And besides, what's wrong with caring about your furniture anyway?
So, yeah, I agree with all that.
I mean, people disagree violently on this, I know.
But I believe it is my belief that if you do declaw a cat, front paws only, thank you, you don't let it outside.
Because you are removing its ability to properly defend itself.
There is no question about that.
But I've got another cat.
Now, would it be fair for my declawed cat to live in a house with a clawed cat?
Who would claw it up but good?
No, it wouldn't be fair.
Would I want to see my furniture shredded?
No.
Will I let my cat outside?
No, I will not.
Will it grow up fat, happy, and sassy?
Hopefully, yes.
My other one has, and as I said earlier, has become very adept with it.
So I don't want to hear all this.
So what's going to happen, you know?
In the morning.
Dr. Mengela gets my cat, and that's it.
Then I get him back.
Dear art, considering that the quickening is being fueled, if not directly caused, by the world's annual population growth of 90 million, we are trying to support more and more people with a shrinking natural resource base, and true per capita wealth has been slowing and decreasing for years.
Ever wonder why it takes two incomes to support most households nowadays?
Nothing can grow forever on a finite planet.
That includes the economy, as well as the population.
I think the whole notion that GNP must grow forever, lest we fall behind, is a big part of why life is getting so hectic and dangerous.
GNP growth is largely a response to population growth, and neither can continue indefinitely in a finite world.
Signed the Unibomber.
No, just kidding.
Actually signed Carl.
But Carl, I have a feeling that is the psychology of the Unibomber.
And I'm not comparing you, Carl, to the Unibomber.
Yeah, I didn't have a remote and I couldn't get to it, and I didn't want to light.
So, you know, I was listening to that guy earlier, you know, about the program, you know, about this new killer.
It reminded me of a story one around some guy in L.A. did that about six years ago.
And he got about six or seven hundred people involved in this, whatever kind of chemical he came up with.
Well, you know, they all didn't succeed, let's put it that way.
Because you hit it right on the nailhead.
It's a symptom of the disease.
That's it, right there.
And that's about all I want to say with that.
Did you get my facts on that article and stuff?
I don't know if they're coming out right, but tried to send you some factors on the fourth, and I don't know if I'm very good with humor, but I'm learning the artwork with my facts.
See, I got hurt in construction years ago, and I'm trying to learn a new trade.
I'll tell you, people who are confined as a result of an accident or a disability of some sort are these days able to make a living with a computer.
And that will be more and more true as time goes on.
So, you know, Mr. Unabomber and people like you, the information age is not just one side.
the scientific advances and the scientific world we live in is not all bad.
It's a double-edged sword, like most things.
Information and power and science and knowledge bring good and bring bad.
It is only man that steers the knowledge one way or the other.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
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Hello.
Hello.
When you had Richard Hofman a few weeks ago, didn't he suggest that there's possibly that we've already went and visited Mars with our advanced alien technology that we might have?
A 17-pound cat, however many pounds my cat weighs, you know, when it runs real fast, sounds like a galloping horse.
It's really incredible.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
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Yes, sir.
Regarding your guest on Sunday about past life regression, I would like to point out that on some of these psychometrists who help police define who the guilty party is, that they experience a similar knowledge about the person who they're talking about.
In particular, one was involved in a 10-year-old black girl that died back in the early 80s from a sexual rape attack and murder.
And this lady, who was at least in her 60s, came in and helped the police define who it was that committed this crime.
Now, she was alive 40 years before this black child was born and coexisted at the same 10 years she lived.
And then 10 years later, she is defining how this murder happened.
Now, it seems to me that she acquired this knowledge by other reasons than some kind of, you know, previous lives or something like that.
Yeah, I know, but there's another case where a guy was thrown in prison because he had in a dream what happened to this person who had been killed in this town, and he was put in jail because he knew too many details, so the police put him in jail.
Well, it seems to me that to jump to the fact that all this information produced out of hypnosis means that their past life seems to me a little bit premature, in other words.
Well, yeah, I got into the trap and ate it, and then something came along and ate the dog.
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Well, I hope you gave the poor kitty another tin of the porch at him, because, you know, he fell for it, so he should at least get that as a reward, huh?