Elaine Stevens explores past/future lives via hypnosis, revealing clients’ spontaneous UFO memories in Nevada after none surfaced in Houston. She cites accurate historical details and emotional validation in regressions, framing death as a universal experience of peace and light. Stevens links reincarnation to self-perfection, dismissing ego-driven fantasies but acknowledging risks like inherited trauma or unintended language acquisition. Skeptics question reliability, while she defends the mind’s protective mechanisms—yet the debate lingers over whether these sessions uncover truth or tap into latent, shared consciousness. [Automatically generated summary]
Welcome to Dreamland, a program dedicated to an examination of areas in the human experience not easily nor neatly put in a box.
Things seen at the edge of vision, awakening a part of the mind as yet not mapped, and yet things every bit as real as the air we breathe but don't see.
This is Dreamland.
Sunday evening, and once again, Dreamland.
Good evening, everybody.
I'm Art Bell from the High Desert.
And boy, do we have a program planned for you this evening.
All kinds of interesting things, beginning with a Linda Howe report, which was taped at our affiliate, which we want to give, certainly want to give credit for, in Roswell, New Mexico.
We will do that.
We will also speak briefly with Peter Davenport, who is the director of the National UFO Reporting Center up in Seattle, and I'll tell you what, there have been a lot of sightings.
We are in a definite flurry, right in the middle of it, right now.
First thing I'd like to do, though, is to welcome a whole bevy of new radio stations to the Dreamland program.
And they are as follows.
WQBEAM in Charleston, West Virginia, welcome to the network.
Great to have you with us.
I think you're going to enjoy Dreamland.
It is a very different kind of program, as you're about to find out.
We've got a Murfreesboro, Tennessee, and a Murfreesboro, Illinois now.
Two Murfreesboros.
What are the odds of that?
They're 1420 on the dial.
Welcome.
I think you're going to enjoy it.
This seems like a lot.
I know it is.
This program is growing very quickly.
WLMAAM in Greenwood, South Carolina.
Welcome to Dreamland.
For now, a total of 125 affiliates on Dreamland, minus, of course, whatever baseball takes away by its nightly exhibition of boredom, where that preempts us.
And so in just a moment, that was quite a bit, wasn't it?
Linda Howe, we all know that infrastructure...
But she has gone over to our affiliate, KBIM, in Roswell, New Mexico, and recorded a very, very interesting report for us.
I'm in Roswell, New Mexico this 4th of July weekend to participate in the first annual Roswell UFO encounter.
There's everything here from parades and art fairs to a laser show and some serious discussions about what happened here nearly 50 years ago that grabbed the world's attention.
Back in 1947 on July 8th, then Army Air Force Bombardier and Public Information Officer Walter Hott delivered an official Roswell Army Air Force press release to the media, which said that a, quote, flying saucer, unquote, had crashed on a ranch northwest of Roswell, New Mexico.
And that headline made evening newspapers, including the Chicago Daily News and the Los Angeles Herald Express.
But by the next morning headlines, a new story emerged that what fell on that ranch was only a weather balloon, not a flying disc.
Today, nearly 50 years later, the issue of a government cover-up still rages.
And with me is nuclear physicist Danton Friedman, who has been investigating this case since 1978.
Well, what is the latest on New Mexico Congressman Stephen Schiff's request for the government accounting office to investigate the Roswell crash and make a report?
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Well, the rumors for weeks were that yesterday we would get the GAO report finally.
Thank goodness was the thought, you know, a year and a half.
Now my inside sources tell me it probably won't be ready until August.
What's going to be in it?
I don't know.
Nobody else seems to know.
We do know that Congressman Schiff gave specific instructions to the GAO not long ago as to what things they must cover.
So whether it's going to be a little report, a big report, whether it's going to have anything useful that they might have found.
I do know that the GAO stirred up a lot of government agencies about going through old records.
And I know that, for example, out of the blue, I get a letter from the Army Counterintelligence, the Army Freedom of Information Act Office, requests that I had made several years ago for counterintelligence corps stuff on UFOs where I was told they had nothing.
Out of the blue, oh, we did another search years later, and we found all this stuff.
And how much we might get that's really serious in this GAO report.
And that leads to, could this delay be related to the now Very controversial emergence of alleged 16 millimeter film of quote-unquote non-human bodies in an autopsy that has been screened at least partly by some people in London in May.
There's supposed to be another screening of more footage in August and a release on at least English television sometime in late August.
Could this be why this GAO report has been delayed?
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It certainly could be one of the reasons because that's gotten an awful lot of attention.
Other ones might be that, for example, the rumor is that the Air Force is ready to strike again with another attempted preemptive strike.
You remember last September, they came out with that 24-page paper saying it was just mogul balloon.
Now, there were so many lies and misrepresentations in that paper.
I don't know how they could look themselves in the face.
Specific ones, I've done a 27-page paper on it.
And it may well be that they're trying to cover all bases with this thing.
But the English footage has stirred things up, and there are documentaries being made.
There's an enormous amount of junk on the internet.
You know, we have this great contrast.
Modern technology is wonderful.
I just recently finished a CD-ROM disc, and it's more information than you could put in five videos and ten books.
And it's great to have it in one little disc if you've got the equipment to play it.
But it could be why this postponement on the GAO report.
Maybe someone in Washington is looking at the Santilli film.
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Yes.
But one thing that's clear here, certainly the Air Force attack and some subsequent statements that have been made by others, the government seems still bound and determined to keep their secrets.
That was a vicious, strong response from the Air Force.
It was in violation of all the rules that the GAO had laid down.
The Air Force was supposed to make their stuff available to the GAO.
And we hear scuttlebutt from other places that people have been threatened.
One witness that I had talked to years ago said he can't talk.
About Project Mogul being the answer to what was first reported as the crash of a flying saucer.
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Yeah, and the Mogul explanation doesn't hold up, and people who look at the cases know that it doesn't hold up.
Now, one hope, and it's the kind of thing that could happen as a result of this festival down here, is that new witnesses will finally come forward, hearing that so many other people are talking, why shouldn't they?
One of the things that worries me, of course, is that could mean that new phony witnesses come forth.
Just as the police have people who phonally confess the crime.
So how to sort this out when you don't have a budget becomes very difficult.
And if the government is perpetuating yet a second lie over the first lie, it raises an even bigger question.
Why, 50 years later, would the government still have a policy of silence on something that would seem so fundamental to a democracy, which would be sharing at least information about contact with something other than human?
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And you know, the pictures of the bodies don't look frightening.
That's the strange thing.
There's nothing threatening about that.
And the latest word is that this stuff was really sort of counterintelligence footage prepared for the U.S. government.
And you really want a strange story.
Apparently, somebody from Republic of China, that is Taiwan, I'm sorry, and Japan, went to Mr. Santoli and said, hey, they'd seen this footage before.
They'd gotten it in exchange for supplying good UFO footage to the CIA.
And along with this is the word that maybe this was prepared many years ago as a backup just in case something happened or the story broke, that they could put out this garbage.
And once it was exposed, that would kill the whole thing, just like the Hitler diaries.
You know, it was a terrible disaster for the media, and they kept their hands off that stuff.
I, too, have received some information from an alleged inside government source who has warned me, saying, be careful of this film, not denying that there was a crash, not denying that there were bodies in a disk, but to be careful about the current emergence of film and that what may follow in the next year or two may be an emergence of really more accurate, more valid information.
And this may be a test of public waters right now.
And I think what we all have to do is stand back and watch.
And over the next few weeks on Dreamland, depending upon what kind of report comes from, the GAO and any other sources, we'll be reporting on Dreamland.
And we'll be coming back to you, Stanton, for the latest and the updates.
In art, Walter Haught told me that he's going to keep doing these UFO encounters here at least through July 1997, the 50th year after this alleged crash of a flying saucer.
And between now and then, let's hope that finally we're going to see real photographs, real film, and maybe finally an admission by the United States government about something that did happen on that ranch outside of Corona near Roswell in July of 1947 that will finally begin to crack open this whole big issue.
If we're not alone in the universe, what is out there and why is it interacting with our planet?
The hotline in Seattle has been so busy over the last four months that when I was preparing for this program, Art, I almost didn't know where to begin, which cluster of sightings to start reporting.
But what I'd like to do is just comment on the few words we just heard from Stan Friedman and Linda Howe, if I could.
They're both going to be in Seattle next weekend for the annual MUFON Mutual UFO Network International Symposium.
I'm looking forward to seeing them both here.
Our listeners might want to have something to write with nearby because I'm going to be giving that number out where they can call to make reservations if they'd like to come and join us in Seattle.
It's going to be a most exciting program up here.
But one comment I wanted to make about what Stan Friedman and Linda were just saying is, you know, our president could stop all of this debate very easily if he were simply to make a statement, preferably in writing, to the effect that anybody who works for the United States government, who knows anything about UFOs, is free to speak and, moreover, should speak on this subject.
I think it's high time and it seems appropriate to be making this point on a holiday that is supposed to celebrate the preeminence of the American people over their government and their public servants.
It seems appropriate at that time to be appealing to our government, in fact, more than appealing, insisting that they come clean on this subject of UFOs over America.
I am certainly in a cat seat on the hotline here in Seattle.
It is fascinating.
We are getting clusters of reports from all over the country, and I will be playing, if we have enough time, I will be playing short excerpts from a couple of the reports that I've received in the last several months.
And we'll leave it up to our listeners to decide for themselves whether these people who are calling, one is a senior pilot for an American-based airline, the other is an FAA air traffic controller somewhere in the Midwest.
I'll be playing brief 30-second or 60-second vignettes from what they had to say regarding what they saw, and our listeners can decide for themselves.
I would say the hottest thing is the cluster of calls we got on the 15th of March, the Eyes of March.
Shakespeare was correct.
Beware of the Eides of March.
We took calls from eight states over the course of about two hours, and to cut to the chase, it appears to us that a blue-green egg-shaped ship, a ship that is, covered eight states in approximately 12 minutes.
Where?
From Jacksonville, Florida, up Washington, D.C., out to Jefferson City, Missouri, Illinois, and Jackson, Tennessee.
That was all in 12 minutes.
It was streaking overhead at a low altitude.
Most recently, we took a call from Adair County in southwest Iowa.
Two young gentlemen were chasing up to 12 lights that were seen to land on farmland.
The next day, we took calls from Cameron, Missouri, specifically from the police out there.
They had a sighting that was so, so bizarre that an emergency response team.
There's been a lot of discussion in the local press about a bulge that appears to be growing on, I think it's on the northwest side of Mount Rainier, but we're out of my field.
13 nights ago, we got a report from a young gentleman in southwest Iowa.
He recounted to me about a five-hour period on the preceding night when he and another gentleman were pursuing some strange ships, strange lights in the sky in southwestern Iowa.
Well, it was only one report, so you mentally put a double asterisk by it and hope that somebody else calls to confirm it.
Well, my wishes were fulfilled.
The next morning, Wednesday, the 21st of June, I got a call from the Cameron, Missouri Police Department.
Very nice young police officer called to report a cluster of events that they had experienced and recorded out there.
They had an emergency dispatch team, an ambulance, a fire truck, and some police and highway patrolmen have something go right over them, apparently.
The object was seen from many points in the state of Missouri.
To cut to the chase, they spent two hours on foot looking for the debris from what they concluded must have been some kind of crash, some kind of airliner that had hit the ground.
They found nothing.
This police officer who was very kind to call us, I just received an excellent written report from him in yesterday's mail, described his investigation of the events, and I am satisfied that something extremely bizarre took place there.
The next morning, three young men, teenagers, walked into the police station and reported their events, what they had seen the night before, southwest of Cameron, Missouri.
And the object was streaking above their heads for apparently two hours.
And this object is an object that I believe we have had reported to us in the past over the last four or five months.
Peter, when you say streaking, you know, in my mind, streaking means streaking almost from one horizon to the other, so it must have been doing a dance.
This was 1127, and we were heading approximately 250 degrees on, we were heading westbound on Route 123, approaching Chain Bridge Road in McCain, Virginia.
And we saw this real bright object.
We first noticed it about 35 degrees above the horizon, and it went all the way to the horizon.
It was white, and it looks like to us it had like a little greenish tint.
That report goes on for about 20 minutes, but that object that was seen descending almost vertically just west of Washington, D.C., seconds later, went streaking over a woman's head in West Virginia, the town of Westover, West Virginia, right on the Pennsylvania border.
Within seconds, perhaps minutes, it was over Jefferson City, Missouri.
Then it turned back east after hovering over Jefferson City for about seven seconds.
Peter Davenport, and he's the national director of the UFO Reporting Center there.
And I'm telling you, folks, we're really going through it right now.
All right, moving on.
Hypnotherapist Elaine Stevens, author.
Her book, Whispers of the Mind.
She's given seminars, presentations at adult education facilities, the University of Nevada, Texas Women's University, Truckee Meadows Community College, Southwest Hypnosis Convention, a teacher of self-hypnosis, there we go, for health and learning, endorsed by Dr. Brian Weiss, author and psychiatrist.
So, now to Elaine Stevens, and I believe that Elaine is in Reno, Nevada.
Elaine, first of all, you may want to comment before we get into anything else on some of what you've heard here at the beginning of the program.
We appear to be going through a real flurry Of UFO activity in the country right now.
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Which is very interesting to me.
A lot of the people that I have worked with in hypnosis in either doing a past life regression session with them, in one instance, I was doing what I call a Harris self-session where the person was seeking guidance from within themselves.
And in many, many cases, people will spontaneously remember contact that they've had, either earlier in this life or strangely enough, even in past lives.
In other words, I assume that normally when you do hypnotherapy, you're doing it for rather mundane reasons, you know, to help them quit smoking or to lose weight or something like that.
Right.
How do you suddenly either bump into somebody's past life or, even more interestingly, some sort of contact with ETs?
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Well, what happens is I work at very deep intuitive levels with people and teach self-hypnosis and guide clients into memories of past lives, specifically on purpose to help them understand the present.
Anytime that you focus your concentration on your breathing, on a candle flame, when you're working with a hypnotherapist on the sound of their voice, you're altering your brainwave pattern.
Right now, we're both in beta consciousness, very conscious and alert.
But if we began to relax our physical body without any direction from anyone, what will automatically happen is that you slow down that cycle per second brainwave activity and drift into what's known as an alpha state.
And that's simply a state of relaxation.
Many straight driving manuals caution, beware of road hypnosis.
So then it is the people themselves that are able to go into a deeper state rather than the ability of the hypnotherapist to take everybody to that same deep state.
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Yeah, you can't take everyone to that state.
And what's happening, it's a demonstration, really, of the incredible power of the human mind.
All right, how would you characterize somebody who, in effect, can't be hypnotized, Elaine?
Is that person, do they simply have a very strong will or the inability to concentrate and relax.
How do you characterize them?
Would you characterize them as a strong person or an obstinate person or what?
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I would characterize them as someone who is afraid of losing control.
I never hypnotize anyone without first fully explaining the process and what my role is in it and having them be very, very aware of the fact that they are in control.
And I even give a suggestion on all the hypnosis tapes I create in every session I do that if you're uncomfortable for any reason, you'll simply open your eyes and be wide awake.
And that suggestion can be followed by a person should they choose, you know, to bring themselves out of hypnosis.
A couple of more questions about hypnosis, things I've always wanted to know, and then we'll get into the past life business.
That's really something.
Stay right there.
North American GMX, back now to Elaine.
I can't remember the name of the movie, Elaine, but there have been a lot of movies about a mind control, making people do things they don't want to do.
Now, you said somebody doesn't want to be hypnotized or they're uncomfortable.
They just open their eyes.
But could a skilled hypnotherapist convince somebody, for example, I'm going to give you an example, that somebody on this earth is such an evil person.
This person is virtually a modern-day Hitler.
This person is evil incarnate and must die.
And could you, through a series of sessions, convince a person of that, finally depositing with them some sort of post-hypnotic suggestion to kill that person?
Yes, if you had access to someone at that level, but in the tests that I've read about that have been done, a sonobulistic level subject will be told, you're in danger.
Lying beside you is a knife.
I am going to harm you.
Pick the knife up and defend yourself.
Stab me.
The subject will reach over and pick up the knife.
They will draw it back as though they're intending to stab someone.
And then they will drop it in confusion and bring themselves out of hypnosis and not understand what's happening.
Yeah, Patty Hearst, when she was held captive, I read the book.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And so the mind is a very, very powerful tool, and we can use it as either healer or slayer, and each of us has to take responsibility for how we direct it, and hopefully we do not fall in the hands of someone that operates at such a low level.
Are there many people in your field, or even any, and I certainly don't want names, who you would consider to be less than ethical in the way they practice?
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I think that there are people who use hypnosis as a power tool, who do not really communicate accurately how the tool works and does not explain to their client or subject that it is the subject's mind that is being worked with with techniques that the hypnotist knows.
And any changes that are affected, if you go to a hypnotist to stop smoking, the hypnotist, it can't lock you in a closet and keep you there to keep you from smoking.
The suggestions are planted in your mind, and you then act on those suggestions.
So I think that probably the thing that I see...
But that's just the trick.
You can't make someone do something.
Like if you came to me and said, I want to stop smoking.
Would the revelation that beings exist from any other place in the universe shatter the foundations of human society here and now?
In other words, religious people would be thrown into a tizzy, the entire structure of the human belief system into chaos?
How would people handle it?
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Well, I think that we're far more flexible than we're given credit for, and thousands upon thousands of people are having contact, and they're not thrown into a tizzy.
As a matter of fact, they're very powerful, strong people to have that kind of knowledge and be able to function in a world that chooses, for the most part, not to believe that.
Well, you know, Elaine, I listen to you, and you sound so sure of yourself, and you've talked to so many people, and I do shows like this all the time, and this gives people out there opportunities to take pot shots at me, which they do all the time.
If I were a pincushion, I'd be full.
That's okay.
I don't mind.
What do you run into?
Are you criticized for working in these, even for a hypnotherapist, sort of different areas?
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Well, I've gotten used to it.
Consider the fact that the first work I did and was drawn to as a hypnotist was to work with exploring past lives.
I've gotten, I've been, I don't know, sort of ridiculed or looked down upon.
People have been disdainful with my personal belief system and how I conduct my life.
And that's fine.
I work from my own belief system, and that sustains me.
I really don't care what other people think.
Each of us needs to create whatever belief system works for us.
And if we differ, we're going to differ.
That's okay.
We can agree to disagree.
I no longer get into Mexican stands off with people and going to fight them to the death over it.
I don't care if people believe they've lived past lives or not.
The second chapter in my book is titled, I think I made that up.
Elaine, what is the best evidence that you've run into personally?
I mean, this is, I know of no greater question for humankind, and that is whether our soul lives on once these physical bodies end, whether there really is more or not.
It's a pretty big question, Elaine.
You must have answered it for yourself.
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Yes, I think I've done probably thousands of regressions at this point.
And in every past-life regression that I conduct, I always, at the end of the session, direct the person to the last day of their life.
And then to what happens beyond that last day.
And first off, our culture is frightened to death of death.
We fear death as though we're not going to, if we get scared enough, we won't have to do it.
But what I've discovered in guiding people through their own death experience in a previous lifetime is that there's always, I don't care if they die peacefully at home in their bed, surrounded by family who are there to nurture and love them through the experience, or if they die on a battlefield run through by a sword or trampled by wild horses.
It doesn't matter how they die.
The experience is always the same.
And the experience is one where they're immediately peaceful and calm and surrounded with light and love.
I had a friend, a very close friend, who died several years ago.
And I went down and spent time with him the last month before he died.
And I asked him, where's your heart?
Where's your head?
I feel badly that I have my life and it's obviously going to continue for a while longer than yours.
I don't know why you're leaving now, but how do you feel?
And he said, my greatest fear is that it will be like when you leave a room and you turn off a light switch.
It's light and then it's dark.
There will be nothing.
And I just said, oh, wow.
You know, I don't know how I can convince you at this point or what words I can give you, but I can promise you, I promise you, I have guided thousands of people through their death, and that is not what will happen.
You have lived your life with tremendous love and caring, and you will be greeted with that same caring the moment breath ceases in your body.
And that's an incredible, life-changing experience of its own.
The story certainly makes you applaud science and the things we can do to help people now.
The story also makes me think we must have incredible assistance from many levels that we cannot even imagine to be able to do such a thing with someone.
You said earlier that it doesn't matter how somebody died, whether it was peacefully in bed without pain or whether some horrible accident happened to them.
What about ghosts, Elaine?
Entities that appear to be still here on Earth for one reason or another.
And generally, when the death has been violent or there's been some great trauma, even unfulfilled love, something really emotionally important at the moment of this violent death, they seem to remain.
Now, is there anything to that, or would you just say, I don't believe in ghosts?
I think that what happens at a soul level is that if there is a trauma at the time of death, or as you say, if there is a longing for a person or a place, I think that at a soul level, that person is trapped at the earth plane level.
One of the things that happened to me when I first began to become more intuitive.
We'll be right back to Elaine Stevens, and we're sort of off track right now, but it is a very interesting track.
And we'll be taking telephone calls shortly.
Stay right where you are.
Here's something that's really affected my life, and not just mine, but my wife's too.
My wife has asthma, and trust me on this.
Our home is a different place since we turned on the Alpine system.
Elaine, before the bottom of the hour, what's the best actual evidence?
In other words, have you ever asked anybody about a past life?
Once you get into it and you're talking to somebody or about getting memories of somebody who lived in a prior life, there ought to be things you can nail down.
Descriptions of places or things that Elaine can then go investigate and say, well, yes, by God, it's true.
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When I first started doing past life regressions art, I spent more time at the library than I did in my office.
I would do regressions and I Would think, how in heaven's name could they know that?
Or is that accurate?
And I would run off to the library and I would get the encyclopedias or whatever reference sort of books I needed.
And if you don't carry with you from one lifetime to another the consciousness that you enjoyed in the prior lifetime, then in a sense, you're not continuing.
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Oh, but I think all of the gifts we have, I think that each of us has something special and shiny and bright about ourselves.
And that something special and shiny and bright, something we do well, an ability to communicate or be loving in the world, those abilities have been honed and learned through many lives.
I talk to people like, you probably heard Gordon Michael Scallion.
Oh, of course.
And Mr. Scallion suggests that there are many possible futures that he will see them one brighter many times than another.
Is that true of the individual life course as well?
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I think so.
I think many, many years ago, when I first started exploring all of these questions, I was reading assess material.
And one of the books called, I believe it was The Unknown Reality by Jane Roberts, and it was part of the SES material, part of that series of books.
One of those books spoke of possible realities and people being shown, if you stay on this course at this moment that you are on, this is a possible outplay of that.
This is what will become of you.
If you change consciousness and choose to make some choices in how you live and how you conduct your life, this is the outplay.
And I think that consciousness can be changed and raised, and the future can, in fact, change.
I think that obviously you don't have to read very much or watch the news, but maybe one night a week and come to the conclusion that we're on some sort of self-destruct course here.
So then, why is the answer to my previous question no?
In other words, I would have thought, Given our present course, unless you're telling us you know for sure there's going to be a change, there is disaster ahead of one sort or another, social or earth changes or economic or whatever.
And so, why have you not found a hint of this from those people, those future lives you've looked at?
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Well, I have never directed a group to a time before like 2300.
And because you have to consider that while we are part of the mass of men, we are part of a collective consciousness, if you will, we are also individuals.
I mean, when you get somebody on her and you get them into a future life, and let's say they're in 2300, what is the kind of thing they would say to you?
I see the following, or what would they say?
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They have before them very often a control.
You know how we have computers now that can do amazing things?
I can't even work a quarter or an eighth or a teeny part of what's on my computer.
Yes.
But people seem to have these incredible control systems in front of them that operate a screen and they can access knowledge or information.
They can make changes to their environment.
There's a tremendous capability there, seemingly at the fingertips of the individual.
Assuming that we all have had past lives, then I would also have to assume that we have probably all done really horrific things, and we have probably had terribly horrible and frightening things done to us, like being murdered and things like that.
My question then is, why would anybody want to go into a past life regression?
And once you have that memory at a conscious level, it's only what we don't know of that controls us with fear.
But once something is conscious, the fear is diffused and somehow magically, and I wish I could tell you exactly how it works, but I can assure you that once you have the memory at a conscious level, fear is gone.
That was a very, very good question, and I've got one to follow it up.
Elaine, before the top of the hour here, the ability to levitate psychic abilities to, you know, this business about remote viewing and all the rest of it, these kinds of powers.
Do you believe, Elaine, that these powers are latent in us and, in fact, are becoming less with modern industrialized society or that these powers are developing now as we continue by our standards a very slow process of evolution?
In other words, are they coming or going?
unidentified
Oh, I think they're coming.
We live in a very technologically oriented world, and we have removed ourselves from that aspect of our being.
And with awareness and consciousness, we can remember.
That's another gift Of remembering a past life is you can remember skills and abilities.
I mean, when you're involved, as I am, in so much information and computers and things that are keeping your mind going, you're not in an intuitive mood.
unidentified
No, you're not.
But that's one of the values of hypnosis is to provide ourselves, to gift ourselves with that opportunity on a daily basis.
Look, if you don't know the answer, I don't want you to even try, and I agree with you.
That's a really good question.
Have you found, through your subjects, any so-called order to how, who, and when we return to this corporeal life, and if this process is voluntary by those, quote, brought back, end quote, question mark?
unidentified
Yes, there is a process involved.
It seems from many of the sessions I've done that the person, the soul, there is a meeting with master beings, if you will.
And the lessons that need to be learned are discussed, and the person chooses the group of people they will have as family, as friends, people who will affect them deeply, and they put themselves back into a situation where all of that is possible.
From the Bible, and I don't frequently quote it, Hebrews 9 to 7, it is appointed for men to die once, but after this comes the judgment.
It doesn't say anything about coming back again.
unidentified
Well, then we have to go to the Council of Nicaea when all reference to reincarnation was removed from the Bible because it's very difficult to control people who believe that, in fact, they are learning to perfect themselves and will come again.
So there are new people here all the time, more people.
If there are no new souls, then obviously the question is, where are these souls coming from?
unidentified
Well, consider that at the moment of creation, whatever that might be, and now we're really getting out there, but there were X number of souls created.
We have the history of the world as we know it based on what we know now.
There are a lot of people, Elaine, who believe that the world has had, at various times, civilizations on it, been populated to the degree we are now, or even to a greater degree, and they have literally disappeared.
And I certainly can identify with a lot of things that she's talking about.
I have been there and have been told that I'm a very old soul.
And there are things that I know.
I'm a teacher by profession.
I have done an awful lot of other things by choice.
And I have developed a very working inner life that has been more instructive because there are things I know that I have no way of knowing in my present state that I know, if you understand what I mean, in recall of facts, figures, blah, blah, blah.
My question is, I'm an adopted person.
Now we're going into a whole different segment of society, plus the fact of abortion.
And so how do we reconcile the fact of her statement a while ago that we choose the environment into which we go to live?
Well, I can say to you that being adopted has probably affected your life at deeper levels than probably any other event you've experienced.
And I think at a soul level, you chose not to live with your natural mother or father in this incarnation.
And you chose to do that because in the circumstances you would be placed through the adoption, those things that both they and you needed to learn could be learned.
And furthermore, that your mother, your natural mother, who for whatever reason was not able to keep you and raise you, she too was affected at such deep, deep levels.
And it's, to me, a further indication of the fact that there is a tremendous rhythm or rhyme or reason for the things we experience.
And some of us love to have those egos fed, spoon-fed minute by minute.
And if we can find someone who closes their eyes and changes their voice a bit and starts warbling about some great and wonderful thing that we once were, we're very happy to pay them a lot of money to hear that.
I was going to talk about this past life regression.
I've done a couple of things in reference to that.
You were talking about mirrors.
I don't know if you were talking about candles, and there's a thing that you can do with a mirror next to you, and you stare at the candle.
And you keep your eyes open for about 45 minutes.
And in that, I started to fall asleep.
But before I did, I saw an old Chinese man.
I also did hypnotherapy with a man named Santosh.
I don't know if you're familiar with him.
And in that, I saw myself as an African chief.
Now, the strange thing with many wives, and the strange thing about that, I went to Bombay about a year later, and I saw a man by the name of what he's called the shadow reader.
And what he is, he's a director, Senator Bragu, who lived at the time of Krishna.
And what he does is he measures your shadow.
And in that, he saw that my past two lives, I was an African chief with 300 wives.
One other thing you were talking about in reference to light, there's two very good books, and one man who you would be great to have a guest on, which is Carlos Castanana, which talks about which talks about.
Please ask Elaine, and I'm going to try again on this one, too, why it is that by and large we don't have any memories of past lives in our conscious minds.
We hear talk of reincarnating because we need more experience in one realm or another.
Who says we need more experience in one area or another?
And if we don't consciously remember past lives, how do we know what we're supposed to be working on?
And I suppose your answer would be by coming to somebody like you.
unidentified
That would be a wise thing to do.
Or getting, of course, a copy of my book, which tells you how to explore past lives.
But consider, once again, we go to the subconscious.
The memories are in the subconscious.
And if we had conscious recall of all of our past lives, we would be in a terrible jumble.
Would you advise the average person who's having an average life, and they're okay, no horrible habits or anything, nothing really wrong.
Is there any reason for them to go rummaging back into past lives?
unidentified
Well, I think so because if we're just having an ordinary life, as you say, and we're just sort of rocking along, I personally would like to know that there is more to me than the fact that I went to the grocery store this afternoon and got food for the barbecue and that I did all these mundane things.
I hope to think that there are dimensions to me that I need to explore and I need to expand my creative abilities and I need to expand my mind in as many ways as I can.
We get kind of locked into that mundane stuff and that's dangerous.
And it was somewhat what you just touched on concerning reincarnation.
It has been said that we are remnants From the very first man, and it is consistent throughout the Bible, which I don't want to really bring that up too much, but that there are things passed down from generation to generation to generation, good and bad.
Now, in the subconscious level, which I believe exists, I could or anybody can tap into any past life from anybody.
Now, the thing that I want to make, you know, are we reincarnating memories?
And I believe, personally, I believe that we have to be very careful in that area because we might bring something back into this life we might not want to deal with.
Elaine, is it possible that a past life, a past incarnation, could virtually possess, is there that danger that are you sure when you open doors, you never know what's going to walk through?
unidentified
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
This is one of the sort of little sore points with me because people, we approach any new knowledge with a certain amount of trepidation or fear.
And if we will just remember that knowledge erases fear, how could our mind, if you broke your arm a month ago, you would not be able to recreate with your mind the pain that you experienced at the moment of the break?
I've seen hypnotherapists depicted on television, and maybe they do a bad job on hypnotherapists just the way they do on so many other things, but they do make people recreate that moment and feel it just as if they were there once again.
What do you say to that?
unidentified
I say that, yes, a lot of people go into explore a past life and they find themselves very emotionally moved and they find themselves weeping and re-experiencing something at a deep emotional level.
What about Elaine took me back to that moment when I crashed in my hang glider, which is how I did it, and the big arm came down about two inches above my elbow and broke my arm, but good, compound fracture.
Ooh.
Ooh, is right.
So if Elaine took me back to that moment and I relived that experience, would I relive that pain?
No.
unidentified
No.
Your mind, just, you can't sit here now and take, you know.
First off, I'm a person who's been through past life regression and have verified one lifetime.
Okay, good.
And I'm curious as to how unusual that is.
Is there like a percentage of people that you have worked with that have experienced that?
It's very unusual, Bonnie, because what happens is we connect to the past life generally at an emotional level as opposed to, as I said, a historical data level.
But I have had a number of people who've been able to do that.
After I, as I said earlier in the show, after I got through going to the library, I had enough cases authenticated to my, to resolve the problem for me.
Are they making this stuff up?
And the answer was no.
I did enough research to prove that.
And I no longer go to the library because it's no longer, that's not the issue.
That's not why people explore past lives.
But it's kind of wonderful for you.
That was exciting.
Sure, it was for real.
Yeah, and I was able to verify this one.
But I had one more quick question.
I am one of those people who can be dropped down into the subnambulistic state.
And I have a theory to ask you.
I had one lifetime I experienced that was Japanese.
Is it true?
Is it possible, this is my own theory, that if I could go back and go through that lifetime in a subnambulistic state, that I should be able to speak fluent Japanese without her.