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July 2, 1995 - Art Bell
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Dreamland with Art Bell - Future and Past Lives - Elaine Stevens
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Welcome to Dreamland, a program dedicated to an examination of areas in the human experience
not easily nor neatly put in a box.
Things seen at the edge of vision, awakening a part of the mind as yet not mapped, and yet things every bit as real as the air we breathe but don't see.
This is Dreamland.
Sunday evening and once again, Dreamland.
Good evening, everybody.
I'm Art Bell from the high desert.
And, boy, do we have a program planned for you this evening.
All kinds of interesting things, beginning with a Linda Howe report, which was taped at our affiliate, which we want to give, certainly want to give credit for, in Roswell, New Mexico.
We will do that.
We will also speak briefly with Peter Davenport, who is the director of the National UFO Reporting Center up in Seattle, and I'll tell you what, There have been a lot of sightings.
We are in a definite flurry.
Right in the middle of it.
Right now.
First thing I'd like to do, though, is to welcome a whole bevy of new radio stations to the Dreamland program.
And they are as follows.
WQBE-AM in Charleston, West Virginia.
Welcome to the network.
Great to have you with us.
I think you're going to enjoy Dreamland.
It is a very different kind of program, as you're about to find out.
WMFD AM in Wilmington, North Carolina.
Welcome to Dreamland.
They are 6.30 on the dial in Wilmington.
KTIX AM in Pendleton, Oregon.
Welcome to the network.
Uh, let's see, there are 1240 on the dial.
Uh, W-A-R-D-A-M in Pittston, Pennsylvania.
That's W-A-R-D in Pittston, Pennsylvania.
And, uh, there are 1550 on the dial.
Welcome.
W-I-N-I.
That be Winnie?
W-I-N-I-A-M in Murfreesboro, Illinois.
Interesting, we've got a Murfreesboro, Tennessee and a Murfreesboro, Illinois now.
Two Murfreesboros.
What are the odds of that?
They're 1420 on the dial.
Welcome.
I think you're going to enjoy it.
This seems like a lot.
I know it is.
This program is growing very quickly.
WLMA-AM in Greenwood, South Carolina.
Welcome to Dreamland.
For now, a total of 125 affiliates on Dreamland.
Minus, of course, whatever baseball takes away by its nightly exhibition of boredom.
Where that preempts us.
And so, in just a moment... That was quite a bit, wasn't it?
Linda Howe.
We all know that... And now, as I told you, actually, Linda Howe is right now, uh, in the air.
Flying in the air.
But, uh, she has gone over to our affiliate KBIM in Roswell, New Mexico, and recorded a very, very interesting report for us, so here it is.
Hi, Ari.
I'm in Roswell, New Mexico this Fourth of July weekend to participate in the first annual Roswell UFO Encounter.
There's everything here from parades and art fairs to a laser show and some serious discussions about what happened here nearly 50 years ago that grabbed the world's attention.
Back in 1947, on July 8th, then Army Air Force Bombardier and Public Information Officer Walter Hott delivered an official Roswell Army Air Force press release to the media which said that a, quote, flying saucer, unquote, had crashed on a ranch northwest of Roswell, New Mexico.
And that headline made evening newspapers, including the Chicago Daily News and the Los Angeles Herald Express.
But by the next morning headlines, a new story emerged that what fell on that ranch was only a weather balloon, not a flying disc.
Today, nearly 50 years later, the issue of a government cover-up still rages.
And with me is nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman, Who has been investigating this case since 1978.
Welcome to Dreamland again.
Glad to be on again, Linda.
Well, what is the latest on New Mexico Congressman Stephen Schiff's request for the Government Accounting Office to investigate the Roswell crash and make a report?
Well, the rumors for weeks were that yesterday we would get the GAO report finally.
Thank goodness was the thought.
You know, a year and a half.
But now my inside sources tell me you probably won't be ready until August.
What's going to be in it?
I don't know.
Nobody else seems to know.
We do know that Congressman Schiff gave specific instructions to the GAO not long ago as to what things they must cover.
So whether it's going to be a little report, a big report, whether it's going to have anything useful that they might have found, I do know that the GAO stirred up a lot of government agencies about going through old records.
And I know that, for example, out of the blue I get a letter from the Army Counterintelligence, the Army Freedom of Information Act Office, requested I had made several years ago for Counterintelligence Corps stuff on UFOs, where I was told they had nothing.
Out of the blue, oh, we did another search years later, and we found all this stuff.
Here, you can have copies.
Nothing terribly exciting.
But all about flying disks.
All about flying disks.
In 1947, the U.S.
government was asking all over Germany For people to find anything about German technology that might be related to this.
Find these investigators, find those investigators.
So at least, and I know from talking to the GAO, that they had stirred up the counterintelligence corps people.
So who knows how many boxes of good stuff are sitting around in somebody's junkyard, so to speak.
how much we might get that's really serious in this GAO report and that leads to could
this delay be related to the now very controversial emergence of alleged 16mm film of quote unquote
non-human bodies in an autopsy that has been screened at least partly by some people in
London in May.
There's supposed to be another screening of more footage in August and a release on at
least English television sometime in late August.
Could this be why this GAO report has been delayed?
It certainly could be one of the reasons, because that's gotten an awful lot of attention.
Other ones might be that, for example, the rumor is that the Air Force is ready to strike again with another attempted preemptive strike.
You remember last September, they came out with that 24-page paper saying it was just mogul balloons.
Now, there were so many lies and misrepresentations in that paper.
I don't know how they could look themselves in the face.
Specific ones.
I've done a 27-page paper on it.
And it may well be that they're trying to cover all bases with this thing.
But the English footage has stirred things up.
And there are documentaries being made.
There's an enormous amount of junk on the Internet.
You know, we have this great contrast.
Modern technology is wonderful.
I just recently finished a CD-ROM disc, and it's more information than you could put in five videos and ten books.
And it's great to have it in one little disc, if you've got the equipment to play it.
But what's on the Internet is not always truth.
No, much of what's on the Internet isn't truth, and I've been the victim of some of these lies.
They said I saw the footage.
I did meet with the owner, Mr. Santelli, twice a month, and I did not see the footage.
But we have seen some photos here.
Oh yeah, people have seen chunks of footage.
And there are new ones that have been released.
They're playing this game beautifully.
If you want, of course, in public relations, how to tout something and try to get a lot of money out of it, they've played it wonderfully.
And the most recent thing was that they were going to show it to ten senators two days ago.
Since the Senate is in session, it seems very unlikely, there's no indication that that actually happened.
But it could be why this postponement on the GAO report.
Maybe someone in Washington is looking at the Santilli film.
But one thing that's clear here, certainly the Air Force attack, and some subsequent statements that have been made by others, the government seems still bound and determined to keep their secrets.
That was a vicious, strong response from the Air Force.
It was in violation of all the rules that the GAO had laid down.
The Air Force is supposed to make their stuff available to the GAO.
And we hear scuttlebutt from other places that people have been threatened.
One witness that I had talked to years ago, He said he can't talk.
He got phone calls.
After the release of the Santilli film?
No, just before that.
But after the release of last fall's Air Force thing.
About Project Mogul being the answer to what was first reported as the crash of a flying saucer.
Yeah, and the Mogul explanation doesn't hold up, and people who look at the cases know that it doesn't hold up.
Now, one hope, and it's the kind of thing that could happen as a result of this festival, Down here, is that new witnesses will finally come forward.
Hearing that so many other people are talking, why shouldn't they?
One of the things that worries me, of course, is that could mean that new phony witnesses come forth.
Just as the police have people who only confess the crimes.
So, how to sort this out when you don't have a budget becomes very difficult.
And, if the government is perpetuating yet a second lie over the first lie, it raises an even bigger question.
Why, 50 years later, Would the government still have a policy of silence on something that would seem so fundamental to a democracy, which would be sharing at least information about contact with something other than humans?
And you know, the pictures of the bodies don't look frightening.
That's a strange thing.
There's nothing threatening about that.
And the latest word is that this stuff was really sort of counterintelligence footage prepared for the U.S.
government.
And you really want a strange story.
Apparently, somebody from the Republic of China, that is Taiwan, I'm sorry, in Japan, went to Mr. Santoli and said, hey, they'd seen this footage before.
They'd gotten it in exchange for supplying good UFO footage to the CIA.
And along with this is the word that maybe this was prepared many years ago as a backup just in case something happened or the story broke that they could put out this garbage and once it was exposed that would kill the whole thing just like the Hitler Diaries you know it was a terrible disaster for the media and they kept their hands off that stuff.
I too have received some information from an alleged inside government source who has warned me saying be careful of this film Not denying that there was a crash, not denying that there were bodies in a disk, but to be careful about the current emergence of film and that what may follow in the next year or two may be an emergence of really more accurate, more valid information.
And this may be a test of public waters right now.
And I think what we all have to do is stand back and watch.
And over the next few weeks on Dreamland, depending upon what kind of report comes from the GAO, And any other sources.
We'll be reporting on Dreamland and we'll be coming back to you, Stanton, for the latest in the updates.
I'll look forward to it.
Thanks.
And Art, Walter Haught told me that he's going to keep doing these UFO encounters here at least through July 1997, the 50th year after this alleged crash of a flying saucer.
And between now and then, let's hope that finally we're going to see real photographs, real film, and maybe finally an admission by the United States government about something that did happen on that ranch outside of Corona near Roswell in July of 1947 that will finally begin to crack open this whole big issue.
If we're not alone in the universe, what is out there and why is it interacting with our planet?
All right, well, I'm not holding my breath on that, but I am wanting to thank again our affiliate KBIM and Roswell, and Linda Howe for her report.
Stan Friedman, of course, is a nuclear physicist very much involved in the whole study of UFOs.
So that was a good interview.
Coming up in just one moment is the director of the National UFO Reporting Center, Peter Davenport, up in Seattle.
And believe me, there's a lot going on.
He's going to tell us about it.
Following that, Elaine Stevens, who has written a brand new book that I think you're going to find fascinating.
We're going to be talking about people who have lived before.
How many of you out there think you may have lived before?
We'll talk to Elaine about that.
Up to Seattle now.
And let's say good evening, Peter Davenport.
Hi.
Good evening, Art.
How are you?
Fine.
Very well, indeed.
Delightful to be back.
And it's always a privilege to be on Greenland.
It's a high honor to be addressing so many of our countrymen on this most uniquely American holiday.
Peter, the holiday began, I guess, really with my program Friday night, Saturday morning, the regular syndicated program I do.
The whole night, Peter, was filled with UFO reports.
Something's going on out there.
There is something going on.
The hotline in Seattle has been so busy over the last four months that when I was preparing for this program, Art, I almost didn't know where to begin.
Which cluster of sightings to start reporting?
But what I'd like to do is just comment on the few words we just heard from Stan Friedman and Linda Howe, if I could.
Absolutely.
They're both going to be in Seattle next weekend for the annual MUFON, Mutual UFO Network International Symposium.
I'm looking forward to seeing them both here.
Our listeners might want to have something to write with nearby because I'm going to be giving that number out where they can call to make reservations if they'd like to come and join us in Seattle.
It's going to be a most exciting program up here.
But one comment I wanted to make about what Stan Friedman and Linda were just saying is, you know, our president could stop all of this debate very easily if he were simply to make a statement, preferably in writing.
To the effect that anybody who works for the United States government who knows anything about UFOs is free to speak and moreover should speak on this subject.
I think it's high time and it seems appropriate to be making this point on a holiday that is supposed to celebrate the preeminence of the American people over their government and their public servants.
It seems appropriate at that time to be appealing to our government.
In fact, more than appealing, insisting that they come clean on this subject of UFOs over America.
Well, you're in the hot spot.
I mean, you get all the reports.
So you tell me, is this real?
Is this some mass hypnotic problem people are having?
What is your honest assessment after getting all these reports?
I am certainly in a cat seat on the hotline here in Seattle.
It is fascinating.
We are getting clusters of reports from all over the country and I will be playing, if we have enough time, I will be playing short excerpts from a couple of the reports that I've received in the last several months.
And we'll leave it up to our listeners to decide for themselves whether these people who are calling, one is a senior pilot for an American-based airline, the other is an FAA air traffic controller somewhere in the Midwest.
I'll be playing brief 30-second or 60-second vignettes from what they had to say regarding what they saw, and our listeners can decide for themselves.
All right, we've only got about a minute.
What's the hottest thing that's happened lately?
I would say the hottest thing is the cluster of calls we got on the 15th of March, the Ides of March.
Shakespeare was correct.
Beware the Ides of March.
We took calls from eight states over the course of about two hours, and to cut to the chase, it appears to us that a blue-green egg-shaped shipped.
A ship that has covered eight states in approximately twelve minutes.
Where?
From Jacksonville, Florida up to Washington, D.C.
out to Jefferson City, Missouri, Illinois and Jackson, Tennessee.
That was all in twelve minutes.
It was streaking overhead at a low altitude.
Most recently we took a call from Adair County in southwest Iowa.
Two young gentlemen were chasing up to twelve lights that were seen to land on farmland.
The next day we took calls from Cameron, Missouri, specifically from the police out there, they had a sighting that was so, so bizarre that an emergency response team... Actually, that one I want to hear about.
Alright, hold on.
Stay right where you are.
Peter Davenport, we'll be right back to you.
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Now back to the director of the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, Peter Davenport.
And Peter, I've just got a quick fax here.
Art, just wanted to get this in before you bring Mr. Davenport on from Seattle.
Unusual flurries of UFO activity, such as is being reported in Seattle, is often, but not always, connected with impending Earth change activity.
Is he aware of any seismic activity around Mount Rainier?
There's been a lot of discussion in the local press about a bulge that appears to be growing on, I think it's on the northwest side of Mount Rainier, but we're out of my field.
I don't know a thing about volcanoes.
I don't know a thing about earthquakes.
Alright, well that's close enough.
We've got a small amount of time, so if you would, the story about the police, I heard that before and it's fascinating.
Tell it.
It is fascinating.
It's a findingly report.
Thirteen nights ago, we got a report from a young gentleman in southwest Iowa.
He recounted to me about a five-hour period on the preceding night when he and another gentleman were pursuing some strange ship, strange lights in the sky in southwestern Iowa.
Well, it was only one report, so you mentally put a double asterisk by it and hope that somebody else calls to confirm it.
Well, my wishes were fulfilled.
The next morning, Wednesday, the 21st of June, I got a call from the Cameron, Missouri Police Department.
Very nice young police officer called to report a cluster of events that they had experienced and recorded out there.
They had an emergency dispatch team, an ambulance, a fire truck, and some police and highway patrolmen.
Have something go right over them, apparently.
The object was seen from many points in the state of Missouri.
They, to cut to the chase, they spent two hours on foot looking for the debris from what they concluded must have been some kind of crash, some kind of airliner that hit the ground.
Sure, sure.
They found nothing.
Nothing.
This police officer, who was very kind to call us, just received an excellent written report from him in yesterday's mail, described his investigation of the events, and I am satisfied that something extremely bizarre took place there.
The next morning, three young men, teenagers, walked into the police station and reported their events, what they had seen the night before, southwest of Cameron, Missouri.
And the object was streaking above their heads for apparently two hours.
This object is an object that I believe we have had reported to us in the past over the last four or five months.
Peter, when you say streaking, you know, in my mind streaking means streaking almost from one horizon to the other, so it must have been doing a dance.
Yes, apparently it was moving very...
Uh-huh.
Alright, you had a couple of reports.
At another time, it was just hovering motionless in the night sky.
So the phenomenon is very bizarre.
It's very difficult to describe four months of calls and just the few minutes we have
here.
All right, you had a couple of reports.
Do you want to go ahead and try and air one of those?
Let me play just a brief report we took on the 15th of March this year.
This comes from a retired senior airline pilot who saw something very close to the nation's
capital and it's very interesting.
Here we go, about 40 seconds worth of report.
Alright, now from Peter Davenport.
This was at 1127, and we were heading approximately 250 degrees on... We were heading westbound on Route 123, approaching Chain Bridge Road in McLean, Virginia.
And we saw this real bright object We first noticed it about 35 degrees above the horizon.
Okay.
And it went all the way to the horizon.
It was white and it looked like to us it had like a little greenish tint.
The report goes on for about 20 minutes, but that object that was seen descending almost vertically just west of Washington D.C.
seconds later went streaking over a woman's head in West Virginia, the town of Westover, West Virginia, right on the Pennsylvania border.
Within seconds, perhaps minutes, it was over Jefferson City, Missouri.
Then it turned back east after hovering over Jefferson City for about seven seconds.
Oh, see, this is where suddenly it becomes not a re-entering object, not the space shuttle, not a space station mirror or a satellite.
Those things don't turn around and go anywhere.
That is correct.
It went over St.
Louis, St.
Louis, Missouri.
It gave rise to hundreds, perhaps thousands of calls to the 911 service there.
It stopped over Collinsville, Illinois for about 40 seconds.
It then streaked down to Jackson, Tennessee.
At least, this is our presumed track of the object.
We seemed to hover over Jackson, Tennessee for about 30 seconds.
At that point, it spewed out a huge cloud of red sparks.
And the last thing the witness saw of it, it was streaking southwest from Tennessee.
That was the 15th of March this year, and we've taken many, many calls very similar to the one you just heard.
Well, we're sure in the middle of something.
Something is going on, that is for sure.
All right, Peter, we're way short on time here, so we're going to have to scoot.
We're going to have to have you on as a guest, and we'll go through and take a lot more time.
Go through a lot of the reports that I know you have.
That sounds fine.
I'm going to be at the convention in Seattle next weekend, 7th, 8th, and 9th of July.
People would like to come and join us.
It's a very exciting program.
Telephone number to call in Seattle is 488-3805.
That's 488-3805, and thanks very much, Art.
Thank you, Peter.
Peter Davenport, and he's the National Director of the UFO Reporting Center there, and I'm telling you folks, we're really going through it right now.
Alright, moving on.
Hypnotherapist, Elaine Stevens.
Author, her book, Whispers of the Mind.
She's given seminars, presentations at adult education facilities, the University of Nevada, Texas Women's University, Truckee Meadows Community College, Southwest Hypnosis Convention, a teacher of self-hypnosis, there we go, for health and learning, Endorsed by Dr. Brian Weiss, author and psychiatrist.
So, now to Elaine Stevens, and I believe that Elaine is in Reno, Nevada. Is that correct, Elaine?
That's correct.
Welcome to the program.
Well, thank you very much. Thank you for having me.
Elaine, first of all, you may want to comment, before we get into anything else,
on some of what you've heard here at the beginning of the program.
We appear to be going through a real flurry of UFO activity in the country right now.
Which is very interesting to me.
A lot of the people that I have worked with in hypnosis, in either doing a past-life regression session with them, In one instance I was doing what I call a self-session where the person was seeking guidance from within themselves and in many, many cases people will spontaneously remember contact that they've had, either earlier in this life or
Strangely enough, even in past lives.
All right.
Well, I'm curious about that.
How do you bump into that?
In other words, I assume that normally when you do hypnotherapy, you're doing it for rather mundane reasons, you know, to help them quit smoking or to lose weight or something like that.
How do you suddenly either bump into somebody's past life or, even more interestingly, some sort of contact with ETs?
Well, what happens is I work at very deep, intuitive levels with people and teach self-hypnosis and guide clients into memories of past lives, specifically on purpose, to help them understand the present.
Also, in other words, you're aware of it and using it, as some of my other guests have, as therapy.
Past life mistakes for current life improvement.
Exactly.
And then but when the UFO things come up, that's something I was in.
I had a practice in Houston, Texas for eight years before I moved to Nevada.
And for the first eight years of my practice, I did not encounter even one case.
Do you think that's because you didn't try or you weren't aware or you weren't digging for a past life or why would there not have been?
No, I was doing a lot of past life regression.
But nothing had come up around UFOs.
I see, I see.
Well, I'm even interested, very interested, Elaine, in how you fell into the discovery of the whole past life phenomenon.
Did it happen one day suddenly with a patient?
Or did you read about it in a book and try it yourself?
Or what happened?
Well, the first time I ever used hypnosis was for childbirth.
I have a son, Michael.
And he was born with hypnosis as the anesthetic, so that was my introduction to the tool of hypnosis.
And then many years later, probably when he was about 10, I read a book.
And the book talked about remembering past lives while in hypnosis.
And I was absolutely, incredibly blown away and thought, whoa, not only can you have a baby, you can remember a past life.
This is what I want to study.
Well, let me understand what hypnosis is.
I recall the Lamaze.
Is it the Lamaze Method?
I think that's what they call it.
The breathing and the concentration.
Right.
Is that a form of hypnosis?
Well, it is.
Yes.
Anytime that you focus your concentration on your breathing, on a candle flame, when you're working with a hypnotherapist on the sound of their voice, you're altering your brainwave pattern.
Right now we're both in beta consciousness, very conscious and alert, but if we begin to relax our physical body without any direction from anyone, what will automatically happen is that you slow down that cycle per second brainwave activity and drift into what's known as an alpha state, and that's simply a state of relaxation many straight driving manuals, caution, beware of road hypnosis.
That's true.
Yeah.
That's true.
And so it's really just sort of a concentration exercise.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Is that right?
And a state of relaxation.
A simple thing we experience going to sleep and awakening, we go through all those brainwave
patterns.
It's a natural inherent ability that everyone on the planet has command of.
All right.
Well, I still want to...
I've never really properly understood hypnosis.
I've read a couple of books on it and I've watched these people up on stage.
Oh yes, I love them!
Is that a different or greater level or deeper level of hypnosis than the kind of concentration exercise we just talked about?
Well, what it is, a stage hypnotist is really a very skilled hypnotist.
What they do is they'll ask for volunteers.
Have you ever been to a show and seen a stage hypnotist?
I have, yes.
Generally, they ask for volunteers from the audience, maybe 30 people will go up on stage.
They can talk with them and they can talk in what's known as sort of a voice role.
And they can be sort of suggesting things and just seeing how suggestible those people are.
There are very quick things you can do to determine someone's suggestibility level.
You could ask everyone to stand with their hands out in front of them, walk down the row, push on their hands.
Those who offer the least resistance would be the most suggestible.
And you would eliminate any people in a stage show who were not extremely suggestible.
They say that about 10% of the population has the ability to achieve what's known as a sonambulistic level state.
That's a very deep level of hypnosis, and it's from that state that suggestions given by a stage hypnotist are acted upon.
So in other words, out of 30, they find several really good candidates.
Really good subjects, and that's who they do their show with.
I've got you.
So then it is the people themselves that are able to go into a deeper state rather than the ability of the hypnotherapist to take everybody to that same deep state.
Yeah, you can't take everyone to that state.
And what's happening, it's a demonstration really of the incredible power of the human mind.
Alright, how would you characterize somebody who in effect can't be hypnotized, Elaine?
Is that person, do they simply have a very strong will or the inability to concentrate and relax?
How do you characterize them?
Would you characterize them as a strong person or an obstinate person or what?
I would characterize them as someone who is afraid of losing control.
I never hypnotized anyone without first fully explaining the process and what my role is in it and having them be very very aware of the fact that they are in control and I even give a suggestion on all the hypnosis tapes I create in every session I do that if you're uncomfortable for any reason you'll simply open your eyes and be wide awake.
And that suggestion can be followed by a person, should they choose, you know, to bring themselves out of hypnosis.
Fascinating.
All right.
Hold tight just a moment.
We'll be right back to you.
A couple of more questions about hypnosis.
Things I've always wanted to know.
And then we'll get into the past life business.
That's really something.
Stay right there.
North American GMX.
Back now to Elaine.
I can't remember the name of the movie, Elaine, but there have been a lot of movies About a mind control, making people do things they don't want to do.
Now, you said somebody doesn't want to be hypnotized or they're uncomfortable.
They just open their eyes.
But could a skilled hypnotherapist convince somebody, for example, I'm going to give you an example, that somebody on this earth is such an evil person.
This person is virtually a modern-day Hitler, this person is evil incarnate and must die.
And could you through a series of sessions convince a person of that, finally depositing
with them some sort of post-hypnotic suggestion to kill that person?
Well, I hate to think that's possible.
However, I do believe it's possible.
I thought so.
Let me tell you, though, tests have been done with people who are very, that sonambulistic level subject that I spoke of earlier.
Yes, correct.
Tests have been done with someone who's in that level of hypnosis.
And if that's an average person who does not have murder in their heart and would not kill, I don't believe I would kill someone.
I probably would.
To protect my own life or the life of someone I love.
Right, but through a series of proper post hypnotic... Yes, if you had access to someone at that level.
But in the tests that I've read about that have been done, a sonambulistic level subject will be told, you're in danger.
Lying beside you is a knife.
I am going to harm you.
Pick the knife up and defend yourself.
Dab me.
The subject will reach over and pick up the knife.
They will draw it back as though they're intending to stab someone.
And then they will drop it in confusion and bring themselves out of hypnosis and not understand what's happening.
Alright, but that was a one session attempt.
Exactly.
You spent a very long time with the person, many sessions.
You're telling me it would be possible.
Yes.
Think of what happens to prisoners of war.
Think of the way their minds are altered, or anyone who becomes a prisoner.
The Hearst woman, you know.
Patty Hearst.
Yeah, Patty Hearst.
When she was held captive, I read... They call it the Stockholm Syndrome.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And so, the mind is a very, very powerful tool, and we can use it as either healer or slayer.
And each of us has to take responsibility for how we direct it and hopefully we do not fall in the hands of someone that operates at such a low level.
Are there many people in your field, or even any, and I certainly don't want names, who you would consider to be less than ethical in the way they practice?
I think that there are people who use hypnosis as a power tool who do not really communicate accurately how the tool works and does not explain to their client or subject that it is the subject's mind that is being worked with, with techniques that the hypnotist knows and any changes that are affected.
If you go to a hypnotist to stop smoking, The hypnotist, it can't lock you in a closet and keep you there to keep you from smoking.
The suggestions are planted in your mind and you then act on those suggestions.
So I think that probably the thing that I see... But that really does come down to making somebody do something they don't really want to do.
But that's just the trick.
You can't make someone do something.
Like if you came to me and said, I want to stop smoking.
Well, I do smoke and I'd love to stop.
You know, I say that.
I mouth that.
But really, you know, I love my cigarettes.
I really don't.
And so you could hypnotize me till the cows come home.
And no change would be affected.
Well, then what are you really doing?
Because unless I've made up my mind that I really want to quit when I come to you, you can't get me to quit.
That's true.
I don't mean to be so rough on you here.
Well, no, that's okay.
I worked with a woman one time, really a woman that was lying in a hospital bed, and she had had one foot amputated and the other foot was nixed.
And she was a smoker.
And her physician said, you have got to stop.
Right.
Because that creates a problem with blood flow.
Right.
It constricts veins.
I am sure of that.
And she, even with that motivation, I mean, we're talking about a woman with one foot missing and another about to be chopped off.
Still she smoked.
And still she smoked.
I went into the, my daughter happened to be a patient in the hospital at the time also.
And she said to her, oh my mom can help you.
And I went in, of course, to see my child, and she said, Mama, you know, this woman's having a problem.
They're going to cut it.
And I said, Oh, I said, if you would like, I would be happy to bring my equipment to the hospital.
All right, Elaine, we've got to hold the story right there.
We're going to break point.
Stay right there.
And now back to Elaine Stevens.
Elaine, are you there?
I'm here.
All right, good.
Please ask your guest the following question.
And you deal with minds a lot.
Yes.
Would the revelation that beings exist from any other place in the universe shatter the foundations of human society here and now?
In other words, religious people would be thrown into a tizzy.
The entire structure of the human belief system into chaos.
How would people handle it?
Well, I think that we're far more flexible than we're given credit for and thousands upon thousands of people are having contact and they're not thrown into a tizzy.
As a matter of fact, they're very powerful, strong people.
To have that kind of knowledge and be able to function in a world that chooses, for the most part, not to believe that.
Well, you know, Elaine, I listen to you and you sound so sure of yourself and you've talked to so many people and I do shows like this all the time and this gives people out there opportunities to take pot shots at me, which they do all the time.
If I were a pin cushion, I'd be full.
That's okay, I don't mind.
What do you run into?
Are you criticized for working in these, even for a hypnotherapist, sort of different areas?
Well, I've gotten used to it.
Consider the fact that the first work I did and was drawn to as a hypnotist was to work with exploring past lives.
I've gotten, I've been I don't know, sort of ridiculed or looked down upon. People
have been disdainful with my personal belief system and how I conduct my life and that's
fine. I work from my own belief system and that sustains me.
I really don't care what other people think.
Each of us needs to create whatever belief system works for us.
And if we differ, we're going to differ.
That's okay.
We can agree to disagree.
I no longer get into Mexican standoff with people and going to fight them to the death over it.
I don't care if people believe they've lived past lives or not.
The second chapter in my book is titled, I think I made that up.
Do you know Dr. Bruce Goldberger and know of his work?
Oh yes, of course.
I don't know him personally, but I have read his book.
He does past and future life.
Yes, I've done future lives also.
Oh, you have.
Of course.
Well, let's begin with past lives.
All right.
Elaine, what is the best evidence that you've run into personally?
I mean, this is... I know of no greater question for humankind And that is whether our soul lives on once these physical bodies end, whether there really is more or not.
It's a pretty big question, Elaine.
You must have answered it for yourself.
Yes.
I think I've done probably thousands of regressions at this point.
And in every past life regression that I conduct, I always, at the end of the session, direct the person to the last day of their life.
And then to what happens beyond that last day.
And first off, our culture is frightened to death of death.
We fear death as though we're not going to.
If we get scared enough, we won't have to do it.
That's because we think it's terminal.
Exactly.
The great blackness.
The great blackness.
But what I've discovered in guiding people through their own death experience in a previous lifetime Is that there's always, I don't care if they die peacefully at home in their bed, surrounded by family who are there to nurture and love them through the experience, or if they die on a battlefield run through by a sword, or are trampled by wild horses.
It doesn't matter how they die.
The experience is always the same.
And the experience is one where they're immediately peaceful.
And calm, and surrounded with light and love.
And there's no fear.
Would you add the word aware?
Oh, yes.
Absolutely.
I mean, that's what everybody wants to know.
Once you've died, is there an awareness?
There is an awareness.
There is, in my mind, no death.
None at all.
I had a friend, a very close friend, who died several years ago.
And I went down and spent time with him.
the last month before he died.
I asked him, where is your heart, where is your head?
I feel badly that I have my life and it is obviously going to continue for a while longer
than yours.
I don't know why you are leaving now, but how do you feel?
He said, my greatest fear is that it will be like when you leave a room and you turn
off a light switch.
Yeah.
It's light and then it's dark.
There will be nothing.
Yeah.
And I just said, Oh, wow.
You know, I don't know how I can convince you at this point or what words I can give you, but I can promise you, I promise you, I have guided thousands of people through their death and that is not what will happen.
You have lived your life with Tremendous love and caring, and you will be greeted with that same caring the moment breath ceases in your body.
And I know that.
As best you know Elaine, what does happen when you die?
When that final breath leaves your body, what happens to you?
The first thing that happens is that people float out of their body.
They generally are floating near the ceiling of the room.
They look down at their body.
My first question is, how do you feel now?
Peaceful.
It's okay.
Yeah.
So it doesn't, and I just, aren't I going to be surprised when I die if in fact that's not what happens?
No, you won't.
Because it'll be like throwing a switch off, Elaine.
You'll never be up there saying... I'll be sitting there in the black.
You'll never be saying, gee, I screwed that one up.
But it gives me comfort while I live.
Alright, I like really hard questions.
Okay.
And here's one for you, Elaine.
Alright.
You may have seen a piece on 60 Minutes not very long ago.
Actually, there's two I want to refer to.
Alright.
Because they both got to me.
One was of a lady who had an aneurysm in her brain.
Yes.
The aneurysm, did you see it?
No, I didn't.
Okay, the aneurysm was, you know, a big bulbous thing in her brain.
Right.
And the doctors determined that to operate on her would burst it and she would die.
So it was inoperable.
Except they have this amazing new procedure where they reduce the temperature of your body.
And they did in her case.
Drained all of the blood, I said all of the blood from her body.
She went flat lined, no brain waves, no heartbeat, no air into the lungs, nothing for about 40 minutes.
About 40 minutes.
Now, the reason they did that is, once they drained the blood from her body, there was no more blood pressure.
Hence, the aneurysm collapsed, and they were then able to excise it and sew her up.
But the interesting part, Elaine, is that for 40 minutes, she was flat-lined.
They warmed up her blood, and they put it back in her body, and as they did, with no additional Revival techniques, you know, paddles or any of that.
Right.
All her signs came back.
Her brainwaves began once again, her heartbeat, and she was breathing.
She was back alive.
As a matter of fact, she's cured.
Now, she's not the only one that they have done this to.
And my question is, for those 40 minutes, where was she?
I hope out of that body.
I will assume out of that body and perhaps I would love to talk with her.
I would love to do hypnosis with her and see what in fact if we could find out what she was doing during that 40 minutes and perhaps she experienced what a great many people study and write about now called near death experiences.
Yes.
That's an incredible life-changing experience of its own.
The story certainly makes you applaud science and the things we can do to help people now.
The story also makes me think we must have incredible assistance from many levels that we cannot even imagine to be able to do such a thing with someone.
Yes.
Alright, again, you as a practice take people into past lives in order to help them with current lives.
Um, you said earlier that it doesn't matter how somebody died.
Mm-hmm.
Whether it was peacefully in bed, without pain, or whether some horrible accident happened to them.
What about, what about ghosts, Elaine?
Uh, entities that appear to be still here on Earth for one reason or another, and generally when the death has been violent, Mm-hmm.
Or there's been, um, great, some great trauma, Uh, even unfulfilled love, something really emotionally important at the moment of this violent death.
Uh, they seem to remain.
Now, is there anything to that, or would you just say, I don't believe in ghosts?
Oh, no.
I would say, I live in Virginia City, Nevada.
There is a famous ghost up near you.
Lots and lots of famous ghosts.
I live in a house that was built in the 1800s and I don't think I live alone.
I think that what happens at a soul level is that if there is a trauma at the time of death or as you say if there is a longing for a person or a place, I think that at a soul level that person is trapped At the earth plane level.
One of the things that happened to me when I first began to become more intuitive... So in other words, Elaine, there are exceptions to what you said earlier.
Not everybody has a peaceful transition, apparently, or at least it doesn't sound like to me if you're stuck down here with pain rattling behind.
But I think that you can do work with a ghost, and you can direct them to the light, to a higher level of consciousness.
Really?
Oh yes, and a great deal of work like that is done.
Um, have you ever seen... I'll tell you what, let's hold that question.
We'll be right back to Elaine Stevens.
And, uh, we're sort of off track right now, but it is a very interesting track.
And we'll be, uh, taking telephone calls shortly.
Stay right where you are.
Here's something that's really affected my life, and not just mine, but my wife's too.
My wife has asthma, and trust me on this, our home is a different place since we turned on the Alpine system.
Elaine, before the bottom of the hour, Um, what's the best actual evidence?
In other words, have you ever asked anything, uh, anybody about a past life?
Once you get into it and you're talking to somebody, uh, or about getting memories of somebody who lived in a prior life.
There ought to be things you can nail down.
Descriptions of places or things that Elaine can then go investigate and say, yes, by God, it's true.
When I first started doing past life regressions, I spent more time at the library than I did in my office.
I would do regressions and I would think, how in heaven's name Could they know that?
Or is that accurate?
And I would run off to the library and I would get the encyclopedias or whatever reference sort of books I needed.
I bet.
And the dates would be correct.
The things that had happened would be correct.
I would think that's not how people dressed then.
I would get books about costume and dress in different time periods.
It would be totally accurate.
But the real clue, there's another clue that's more important than historical data.
And that's the feelings that people experience.
A truly meaningful past life regression is not a historical account.
It is a deeply moving emotional experience, a memory of another time when we have lived and experienced things at many levels.
Well, I guess a person would ask this about death.
If it is not the end, Elaine, and Then what you're talking about really is reincarnation.
It really is reincarnation.
A word by any other name still is another life, right?
That's right.
So, it's reincarnation.
And if you don't carry with you, from one lifetime to another, the consciousness that you enjoyed in the prior lifetime, then in a sense, you're not continuing.
Oh, but I think all of the gifts we have, I think that each of us has something special and shiny and bright about ourselves.
Yes.
And that something special and shiny and bright, something we do well, an ability to communicate or be loving in the world, those abilities have been honed and learned through many lives.
But Elaine, that's more like a genetic memory than it is a consciousness.
On that note, we've got a break here at the bottom of the hour.
And we will come back to that point, because I think it's a pretty important one.
If you're concerned about a continuation of consciousness, at least, uh, uh, I guess that's a bit better than the, uh, the switch in the off position.
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No.
No, I think that right at the moment that we live at right now is a critical point in the history of life on this planet.
Oh, I agree with that.
And I think that consciousness can be changed and raised and the future can in fact change.
I think that obviously you don't have to read very much or watch the news but maybe one night a week And come to the conclusion that we're on some sort of self-destruct course here.
Yes.
So then, why is the answer to my previous question, no?
In other words, I would have thought, given our present course, unless you're telling us you know for sure there's going to be a change, there is disaster ahead of one sort or another, social or earth changes or economic or whatever.
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Okay, but at 2300, You see a very controlled life, but you do see a life, and you said you see not all of those future lives at all on this planet.
Yes.
With more of them gone than here?
It's hard to tell sometimes exactly where they are.
The technology is so incredibly advanced.
The capabilities that have been developed are so advanced.
And some of them are here.
It's very, very different than what we can even conceive of.
You can give me a typical description.
I mean, when you get somebody on Earth and you get them into a future life, and let's say they're in 2300, what is the kind of thing they would say to you?
I see the following.
What would they say?
They have before them, very often, a control.
You know how we have computers now that can do amazing things?
I can't even work.
quarter or an eighth or a teeny part of what's on my computer.
Yes. But people seem to have these incredible control systems in front of
them that operate a screen and they can access knowledge or information.
They can make changes to their environment.
There's a tremendous capability there at seemingly at the fingertips of the
individual. So in other words you're talking to people that are saying they
are in control of their own environment and they have machines to do that.
Interesting. Hold on Elaine. Very, very interesting.
And a bit of a different possible future, at least in the year 2300.
What a fascinating course.
We'll be right back.
Our guest is Elaine Stevens.
She's author of Whispers of the Mind.
And we're talking about past and future lives and a lot of related phenomenon.
And so we'll get right back to her and take a couple of calls.
Elaine, are you there?
I'm here.
All right.
Well, here they come.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elaine Stevens.
Where are you calling from, please?
Oklahoma.
Welcome to the show.
Thank you.
Assuming that we all have had past lives, then I would also have to assume that we have probably all done really horrific things and we have probably had terribly
Horrible and frightening things done to us like being murdered and things like that
My question then is why would anybody want to go into a past life regression?
All right, so it's a good question in other words. Why are you doing it Elaine?
well, I do it because I think that we are extremely complex being and
It gives us a greater understanding of all of the facets of of who we are.
Um...
People do not remember horrific and horrible things unless perhaps they're having that affect their life now.
If you have a fear, say, of water, it may be that you have drowned in a past life.
Let's take an example.
Let's say I did drown in my past life.
Horrible way to die.
Right.
And traumatic, very traumatic, and it's somehow affecting me in this life.
When you take me into that past life and make me relive that moment of drowning, how do you help me?
What happens is I, number one, can't make you relive it.
You will only relive or remember... What I want to.
Yeah, what you can handle.
Alright, how will that help me?
It'll help you because knowledge is always power.
And once you have that memory at a conscious level, it's only what we don't know of that controls us with fear.
But once something is conscious, the fear is diffused and somehow magically, and I wish I could tell you exactly how it works, But I can assure you that once you have the memory at a conscious level, the fear is gone.
You can deal with it.
No, that does make sense.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elaine Stevens.
Where are you calling from, please?
Honolulu, Hawaii.
Welcome to the show.
Hey, how's it going, Art?
Is it possible through hypnotherapy to revive latent psychic powers such as levitation or something along those lines?
Well, it is possible through hypnosis to revive latent intuitive abilities.
I think that we're all intuitive.
And the more we learn to use that subconscious part of our mind, the more we open that ability up.
Is intuitive just another word for psychic?
Psychic, yes it is.
But, I have never been able to allow or encourage someone to levitate, and that would really be fun.
It sure would.
Caller, thank you.
That was a very, very good question, and I've got one to follow it up.
Elaine, before the top of the hour here, the ability to levitate Psychic abilities to, you know this business about remote viewing and all the rest of it.
Oh yeah.
These kinds of powers.
Do you believe, Elaine, that these powers are latent in us and in fact are becoming less with modern industrialized society or that these powers are developing now as we continue by our standards a very slow process of evolution?
In other words, are they coming or going?
Oh, I think they're coming.
We live in a very technologically oriented world and we have removed ourselves from that aspect of our being and with awareness and consciousness we can remember.
That's another gift of remembering a past life is you can remember skills and abilities.
It seems to me that we are masking them.
You mentioned your computer.
Oh, we do.
Yeah, you mentioned your computer.
When you are involved, as I am, in so much information and computers and things that
are keeping your mind going, you are not in an intuitive mood.
No, you are not.
But that is one of the values of hypnosis is to provide ourselves, to gift ourselves
that opportunity on a daily basis.
Oh, now that makes sense.
If we do that, what happens, a direct result is, number one, our stress level goes down.
Right.
We can handle this glut of information we swim in a sea of.
And secondly, we begin to remember who we truly are and we, I believe, are first and foremost spiritual beings and we connect with that very beautiful part of ourselves By disconnecting from the technology, just briefly.
All right.
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From Joe in Sutherland, Oregon.
Hi, Art.
Could you ask your guest two questions?
One, are there souls which are older than other souls?
Yes, there probably are.
I don't believe that there's anyone on this planet at this time who's never been here before.
Is it a brand new soul?
I think the vibration that we live in is too intense and I don't think that someone who hadn't practiced being in this vibration could handle it.
So there are no new souls?
I don't think so, not right now.
Not right now.
Are our lives always linear or when we die could we come back in the past as well as the future?
Oh, good question.
I'm not sure I know the answer to that one.
Well, that's a good answer.
Look, if you don't know the answer, I don't want you to even try, and I agree with you.
That's a really good question.
Have you found, through your subjects, any so-called order to how, who, and when we return to this corporeal life and if this process is voluntary by those, quote, brought back, end quote, question mark?
Yes, there is a process involved.
It seems from many of the sessions I've done that the person, the soul, there is a meeting All right.
Now I'm going to get you into trouble, I'm sure.
The lessons that need to be learned are discussed and the person chooses the group of people
they will have as family, as friends, people who will affect them deeply and they put themselves
back into a situation where all of that is possible.
Alright.
Now I'm going to get you into trouble I'm sure.
Oh good.
In the Bible, and I don't frequently quote it, Hebrews 9, 2-7, it is appointed for men
to die once, but after this comes the judgment.
It doesn't say anything about coming back again.
Well, then we have to go to the Council of Nicaea, when all reference to reincarnation was removed from the Bible.
Because it's very difficult to control people who believe that, in fact, they are learning to protect themselves and will come again.
All right.
Back to the phones.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elaine Stevens.
Good evening.
Yes, hello.
I'm calling from Austin, Texas.
Yes, sir.
And I had two questions.
First of all, how does she explain the fact that there's More people on Earth today than have ever died in the history of the world.
And second of all, what is the ultimate point?
If we keep on coming back and back to learn certain lessons, to progress to what?
To a form of perfection or godliness or whatever.
This is a schoolhouse.
I kind of view these lives that we live as an opportunity to learn.
It's a schoolhouse.
It's a schoolhouse.
Toward the eventual goal of perfection?
Yes.
All right, now his first question.
It's a long way from that point.
Well, the first question he gave you was a good one, and that is,
there's a lot of people, I don't know, Caller, how many?
Five, six billion people?
Yeah, roughly six billion.
So there are new people here all the time, more people.
If there are no new souls, then obviously the question is, where are these souls coming from?
Well, consider that at the moment of creation, whatever that might be, and now we're really getting out there, but there were X number of souls created.
We have the history of the world as we know it, based on what we know now.
That's true.
But we don't really have the whole history of the world.
We have little 10,000 year gaps in the history of the world.
Boy, it's true.
And so it's hard to say, oh, well, absolutely, this is concrete and it couldn't be so.
I don't know.
I really don't know.
It's a good answer, though, and it's at least an answer.
Thank you, caller.
OK, thank you.
All right.
It is an answer.
In other words, we don't know the composition.
There are a lot of people, Elaine, who believe That the world has had, at various times, civilizations on it, been populated to the degree we are now, or even to a greater degree, and they have literally disappeared.
Vanished, exactly.
Vanished.
So you think that could be?
It makes more sense to me than anything else, but obviously we have no way of proving that.
It's one more interesting theory.
West of the Rockies, hi, you're on the air with Elaine Stevens.
Good evening, Art and Elaine.
Where are you, sir?
I can answer that one easy enough.
Alright.
I can't tell you who I am.
That's fine.
I'm out of Chico, California.
Okay.
Elaine, the way I understand or seem to equate What is going on?
It seems like we're in constant turmoil with ourselves.
We have a biological birth to which we follow DNA genetics and we go on and we live a routine.
Okay?
We call that family traits.
Then on the other hand, we have what we are like discussing tonight.
past lives which we could have been from anywhere and then when we live the present, the conscious,
we are in turmoil and do not know.
Things that I do have, I wish I could sidebar with you, I'd love to tell you who I am or
have been told and where we could explore this.
Not over the air.
We could do that without the court reporter perhaps.
I don't think so.
Does this come to a point, do you have a question for her?
What does she feel about the idea of, like I said, the conscious versus the physical entity, and yet we're in turmoil.
I mean the physical entity, like we live a DNA trait.
Well, if you can't put it together, then we're having a hard time getting it.
I'm not clear on the question, are you Elaine?
No, I'm not yet.
together how this soul comes. Well if you can't put it together then we're having a
hard time getting it. I'm not clear on the question are you Elaine? No I'm not yet. I
said this a little more involved than just three minutes over the air. Alright I'll tell
you what do this. Elaine he needs to write you a letter or get his thoughts together
and talk to you some other way now.
Obviously you've got a book, Whispers of the Mind.
That's a great title, by the way.
Thank you.
It implies, let me guess at what it implies, that these whispers in our current mind come from past or future lives.
Is that where that came from?
I sat up one night until midnight with a friend who is a writer conjuring up that title and we hit on that and loved it.
You conjured very well.
I'm writing a book myself and I'm trying to think of a title and it's no easy job.
No, it's not.
Okay, how do they get whispers of the mind or how do they get in contact with you?
Well, Whispers of the Mind is no longer available in bookstores.
It's been that horrible world for an author remaindered.
So what they need to do is contact me personally.
I have copies available and I can be reached at P.O.
box 477 Virginia City Nevada 89 440 and my phone number if anyone would like to
call now wait a minute Hold it.
I'm sorry.
I'm going to let you give out your phone number, but I want you to be aware that you're giving this number to a lot of people.
So... Won't that be fun?
Go right ahead.
The phone number is... Area code 702-322-5788.
The address is...
5788.
702-322-5788.
Area code 702-322-5788.
5-7-8-8.
702-322-5788.
Yes.
And you're in Virginia City, Nevada.
Yes.
My office is in Reno, but I'm in Virginia City.
Well, there you go.
I hope you like being on the phone.
Yes, I love it.
All right.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Elaine Stevens.
Hi.
Hi.
Where are you?
I'm calling from California.
Okay.
Turn your radio off, please.
I did, just now.
All right, good.
I hope you're still on the line.
I just dropped my phone.
Yes.
It's an extremely interesting evening that you're having.
Yes.
And I certainly can identify with a lot of things that she's talking about.
I have been there and have been told that I'm a very old soul.
And there are things that I know.
I'm a teacher by profession.
I have done an awful lot of other things by choice and I have developed a very working inner life that has been more instructive because there are things I know that I have no way of knowing in my present state that I know, if you understand what I mean, in recall of facts, figures, blah, blah, blah.
My question is, I'm an adopted person.
Now we're going into a whole different segment of society, plus the fact of abortion.
And so, how do we reconcile the fact of her statement a while ago that we choose the environment into which we go to live?
Well, I can say to you that being adopted has probably affected your life at deeper levels than probably any other event you've experienced.
And I think at a soul level, you chose not to live with your natural mother or father in this incarnation.
And you chose to do that because in the circumstances you would be placed through the adoption, Those things that both they and you needed to learn could be learned and furthermore that your mother, your natural mother who for whatever reason was not able to keep you and raise you, she too was affected at such deep, deep levels.
It's to me a further indication of the fact that there is a tremendous rhythm or rhyme or reason for the things we experience.
Okay, I've got another hard one for you now.
Oh, goody.
Yeah, I bet.
Most of us on the planet lead fairly mundane lives.
I mean, very few of us are President Nixon or President Clinton.
Maybe we just learned about your politics.
I didn't hear no God after that.
Or, for that matter, any other.
I thought I better shut up.
in other words were not great people were broke for good people most of this but not
great and a lot of these people who call themselves channelers
all yet uh... or sometimes it no therapist inevitably will tell people that seems to please the stuff
that pleases them You know, you were Peter the Great.
In a previous lifetime.
And there's too much of that going on.
It is suspicious, frankly.
It makes me suspicious.
Makes me irritated.
I'm glad you're only suspicious.
I see.
Well, once again, my feeling is one of our little problems as humans is that we have wonderful egos.
Yes.
And some of us love to have those egos fed, spoon fed minute by minute.
And if we can find someone who closes their eyes and changes their voice a bit and starts
warbling about some great and wonderful thing that we once were.
Yes.
We're very happy to pay them a lot of money to hear that.
That's right.
We just soak that right up.
All right, Elaine.
That's a good answer to the question.
Stay right where you are.
We'll be right back.
Elaine Stevens is my guest.
Many of you healthy.
Zero.
Back now to Elaine Stevens.
Are you there, Elaine?
I'm right here with you.
All right.
Well, you've been really good, because I've been hitting you with some really hard stuff.
Well, thank you.
It's kind of like when your son or daughter begins asking you how high is the sky.
These are not easy questions.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elaine Stevens.
Hi.
Hi, how are you doing?
Fine.
Where are you?
St.
Louis, Missouri.
Alright.
I was going to talk about this past life regression.
I've done a couple of things in reference to that.
You were talking about mirrors and I don't know if you were talking about candles and there's a thing that you can do with a mirror next to you and you stare at the candle and you keep your eyes open for about 45 minutes and in that I started to fall asleep but before I did I saw an old Chinese man.
I also did hypnotherapy with a man named Santosh, I don't know if you're familiar with him, and in that I saw myself as an African chief.
Now the strange thing with many wives, the strange thing about that, I went to Bombay about a year later, and I saw a man by the name of, well he's called the Shadow Reader, and what he is, he's a direct descendant of Bhrigu, who lived at the time of Krishna, and what he does is he measures your shadow, and in that he saw that my past two lives I was an African chief with 300
wives.
Oh, here we go. Now see this is a perfect example of what I was just talking about.
An African chief, not one of the tribe, but a chief with 300 wives.
Yes.
Now to me this sounds more like fantasy than it does a real past life.
Can I say one thing though, Art?
I have seen this a year before when I was out in California.
And I went to a man in Bombay, and I never said anything to this man before.
He was a Hindu.
And he said exactly the same thing.
That was the interesting part of it.
Oh, that is interesting.
In all the past lives, who would ever think of anything like that?
You're absolutely right.
I have one question for you about this life.
Are you married?
I used to be married.
Thank you very much for the call.
captain on a which talk to you talk to the council which is not only a set of
reading of course and if you read if you read and did you read the part of what
they are are not yet uh... i read that it will talk to you about uh... seeing
a light everything all right all right sir i've got a run thank you very much
for the call my point was uh... with that much experience with marriage you
think in this life he might not be it's a step up
so is that not an example I mean, an African chief with 300 wives.
One other question, real quick, quick answer too.
A lot of people say, people are given to flights of fancy, fantasy, when they're under hypnosis.
Elaine, true or false?
False.
Not true, huh?
Not true.
Really, there have been a number of books written.
Of course, it implies that hypnotherapy is not trustworthy.
Well, what's not trustworthy is something that comes externally.
What is truly trustworthy is what comes from within us.
And, uh, just as I, if I wanted to tell tall tales, I could sit and tell them to you, uh, out of hypnosis, I could do the same thing in hypnosis.
Well, that's certainly true.
But what would be the point, you know?
Well, well, alright, we'll have to pick up on that when we come back, which we will do in just a moment.
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We do, and, uh, let's see, I guess the only number I need to get out again is our East of the Rockies number.
It's not normally on the tapes for Dreamland.
If you're East of the Rockies, it's 1-800-825-5033.
It's 1-800-825-5033.
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Alright, Elaine, back now to Elaine Stevens.
And Elaine, Jim in Boise, Idaho has a question.
Straight out.
Have we made contact with intelligent life in the year 2300?
Of course.
Of course.
With intelligent life, I presume he means from other planetary systems?
I certainly presume that, yes.
Yes, yes.
We have.
Is there anything at all that you can tell us about them?
I think that they are the same beings that we have contact with in this time.
I think that we become more receptive.
I know that when I've guided people to past lives, to places such as Atlantis, one regression comes to mind very clearly, and that was of a man who was a sculptor and in that lifetime he is a sculptor now he teaches art at a major university and in that previous lifetime in Atlanta he did a sculpture that was conducted in via water throughout the city and in this lifetime he was directed at a subconscious level to do a sculpture created of crystals and that was in the air
And in his memory in Atlantis, there were meetings held and there were beings from many planetary systems present within those meetings.
Well, so when you said, of course, what you really meant is we've been in contact for a long time.
Forever.
Yeah.
All right.
Dear Art, this is from Wally in Albuquerque.
Please ask Elaine.
And I'm going to try again on this one too.
Why it is that by and large we don't have any memories of past lives in our conscious minds.
We hear talk of reincarnating because we need more experience in one realm or another.
Who says we need more experience in one area or another?
And if we don't consciously remember past lives, How do we know what we're supposed to be working on?
And I suppose your answer would be by coming to somebody like you.
That would be a wise thing to do.
Or getting, of course, a copy of my book, which tells you how to explore past lives.
But consider, once again, we go to the subconscious.
The memories are in the subconscious.
And if we had conscious recall, of all of our past lives, we would be in a terrible jumble.
Well, you know that's true, Elaine, but again I say we discussed it earlier in the program. You know,
you said it can't be like throwing a switch off. You know, you die,
boom, that's it. But in a way it is.
You may survive in the sense that you live on in others' minds who are living.
You have offspring, they survive you, and it may be that your soul contributes
to your next life in some...
Esoteric way, but you're not conscious as I understand consciousness right now.
You and I are sitting here talking.
We're conscious.
We know what's going on around us.
In that sense, in the next life, you're telling me, on the one hand, we are conscious, but on the other, we're not.
Well... Which is it?
Tough one.
Tough one.
Pushing me to the wall.
Yeah, that's right.
I'm sure.
I think that consciousness can mean many things, and I have a conscious memory of many, many past lives.
I know, but you've dug them.
Exactly.
And I've done so because it's helpful to me in the present.
Would you advise the average person who is having an average life, and they are okay,
no horrible habits or anything, nothing really wrong, is there any reason for them to go
rummaging back into past lives?
Well I think so because if we are just having an ordinary life as you say and we are just
sort of rocking along, I personally would like to know that there is more to me than
the fact that I went to the grocery store this afternoon and got food for the barbecue
to him that I did all these mundane things.
I hope to think that there are dimensions to me that I need to explore and I need to expand my creative abilities and I need to expand my mind in as many ways as I can.
We get kind of locked into that mundane stuff and that's dangerous.
Okay.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elaine Stevens.
Good evening.
Hi, Art.
We must have some sort of conscious blink going on here right now because I want to touch on or make a comment directed to your guest.
All right.
Where are you, Bob?
Poto, Oklahoma.
And it was somewhat what you just touched on concerning reincarnation.
It has been said that we are remnants from the very first man and it is consistent throughout the Bible, which I don't really want to bring that up too much, but there are things passed down from generation to generation to generation, good and bad.
Now in the subconscious level, which I believe exists, I could or anybody I don't get it.
I don't get it either.
Oh, I see.
from anybody. I don't get it. I don't get it either.
Meaning that if things from the very first if one if we descended from one being. Oh I see. And we're
that is passed down and passed down.
In other words like a giant tree. Now the thing that I want to make you know are we reincarnating
memories.
And I believe, personally, I believe that we have to be very careful in that area because we might bring something back into this life we might not want to deal with.
Good point.
Thank you.
From Oklahoma, Elaine, is it possible that a past life, a past incarnation, could virtually Possess?
Is there that danger?
No.
Are you sure?
When you open doors, you never know what's going to walk through.
Absolutely.
This is one of the sore points with me, because we approach any new knowledge with a certain amount of trepidation or fear, and if we will just remember that knowledge erases fear, How could our mind, if you broke your arm a month ago, you would not be able to recreate with your mind the pain that you experienced at the moment of the break?
I did break my arm so many years ago, but you really are correct.
I remember, of course, the occasion and the pain, but I cannot.
You can't recreate it?
No, that's true.
Because your mind is designed to protect you.
And the same thing holds true.
I can't go rummaging in your mind, nor can you, and discover things that would be hurtful to you now.
Your mind is designed, it is designed by something far beyond what we can even conceive of to protect us, and to support us, and to help us.
And the minute we set up this Oh, what if I remember I'm Attila the Hound, or what if I remember these horrible things?
Well, of course, I don't want to recreate for you the pain in your arm, and I couldn't do that.
I couldn't do that, as it happens.
You know, though, it's interesting.
I've seen hypnotherapists Uh, depicted on television and maybe they do a bad job on hypnotherapists just the way they do on so many other things, but they do make people recreate that moment and feel it just as if they were there once again.
Oh.
What do you say to that?
I say that yes, a lot of people go into to explore past life and they find themselves very emotionally moved.
and they find themselves weeping and re-experiencing something at a deep emotional level.
But once again, here's our fear.
What about the pain? What about...
Fear and healing cleanse.
What about if...
They won't kill you.
Yeah, what if Elaine took me back to that moment, when I crashed in my hang glider,
which is how I did it, and the big arm came down about two inches above my elbow,
and broke my arm, but good, compound fracture.
Ooh.
So if Elaine took me back to that moment and I relived that experience, would I relive that pain?
No.
Your mind, just, you can't sit here now and take, you know... Not now, not on the conscious level, you're correct.
I try.
But even at a subconscious level, no.
Okay, well okay, that's a good answer.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Elaine Stevens, hi.
Hi, Bonnie in Alaska.
Yes, hi Bonnie.
Hi.
Where in Alaska are you?
First off, I'm a person who's been through past life regression and have verified one lifetime.
Okay, good.
And I'm curious as to how unusual that is.
Is there like a percentage of people that you have worked with that have experienced that?
It's very unusual, Bonnie, because what happens is we connect to the past life generally at an emotional level as opposed to, as I said, a historical data level.
But I have had a number of people who have been able to do that.
Um, after I, as I said earlier in the show, after I got through going to the library, I had enough cases authenticated to my, to, to resolve the problem for me.
Are they making this stuff up?
And the answer was no.
I did enough research to prove that.
And I no longer go to the library.
Because it's no longer, that's not the issue.
That's not why people explore past lives.
But it's kind of wonderful for you.
Yeah, I had to try it just once to make sure it was for real.
And I was able to verify this one.
But I had one more quick question.
I am one of those people that can be dropped down into this nebulistic state.
And I have a theory that I want to pass to you.
I had one lifetime experience that was Japanese.
Uh-huh.
Is it true?
Is it possible?
This is my own theory.
Okay.
That if I could go back and go through that lifetime in a subnambulistic state, that I should be able to speak fluent Japanese?
Right on.
Good question.
Oh, she would be able to?
Probably.
Where are you calling from in Alaska?
Wasilla, Alaska.
Wasilla, Alaska.
That's a very, very good question.
Have you ever observed that ability?
Yes, I've had people lap into German was the language that my client lapsed into and I would repeatedly throughout the session needed to say to him, please speak in English, I do not understand German.
And he would revert back to English.
Wow.
And then if he got involved emotionally in what was happening again, he would begin speaking German.
See, I consider that to be, you could do enough research to know the person couldn't speak German.
And I'm telling you, when I suddenly started hearing German, the hairs on the back of my neck would go straight out.
They did.
They did.
The hairs on the back of my neck stood straight out.
All right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elaine Stevens.
Hi.
I can barely hear you.
Okay.
Can you hear me better now?
A little.
Where are you?
Oklahoma.
Oklahoma.
Okay.
What's your question?
What is your belief about abortion?
All right.
Quickly, Elaine, about abortion.
Y'all, what happens to a soul that is... What?
Well... Where a pregnancy is terminated.
When does life begin?
In other words, let's begin there, all right?
Tough one again.
Is the soul with the child at the moment of conception, is that your belief?
I believe that a soul has connected and decided to be born through that woman into that family.
I do not believe that that soul is in that body.
I think they dance in and out, you know, and connect probably at the moment of birth or very shortly thereafter.
Um, I don't want to get into the whole issue of abortion.
No, I appreciate the straightforward answer.
Yeah.
And I, I, with, on that, we disagree.
Uh, Elaine, hold on just a moment.
Right back to you.
My guest is Elaine Stevens.
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