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July 2, 1995 - Art Bell

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Dreamland with Art Bell - Future and Past Lives - Elaine Stevens

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to Dreamland, a program dedicated to an examination of areas in the human experience not easily nor neatly put in a box.
		Things seen at the edge of vision, awakening a part of the mind as yet not mapped, and yet things every bit as real as the air we breathe but don't see.
		This is Dreamland.
		Sunday evening, and once again, Dreamland.
		Good evening, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell from the High Desert.
		And boy, do we have a program planned for you this evening.
		All kinds of interesting things, beginning with a Linda Howe report, which was taped at our affiliate, which we want to give, certainly want to give credit for, in Roswell, New Mexico.
		We will do that.
		We will also speak briefly with Peter Davenport, who is the director of the National UFO Reporting Center up in Seattle, and I'll tell you what, there have been a lot of sightings.
		We are in a definite flurry, right in the middle of it, right now.
		First thing I'd like to do, though, is to welcome a whole bevy of new radio stations to the Dreamland program.
		And they are as follows.
		WQBEAM in Charleston, West Virginia, welcome to the network.
		Great to have you with us.
		I think you're going to enjoy Dreamland.
		It is a very different kind of program, as you're about to find out.
		WMFDAM in Wilmington, North Carolina.
		Welcome to Dreamland.
		They are 630 on the dial in Wilmington.
		KTIX AM in Pendleton, Oregon.
		Welcome to the network.
		Let's see, they're 1240 on the dial.
		WARD AM in Pittston, Pennsylvania.
		That's WARD in Pittston, Pennsylvania.
		And they're 1550 on the dial.
		Welcome.
		WINI.
unidentified		That'd be Winnie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		WINI AM in Murfreesboro, Illinois.
		Interesting.
		We've got a Murfreesboro, Tennessee, and a Murfreesboro, Illinois now.
		Two Murfreesboros.
		What are the odds of that?
		They're 1420 on the dial.
		Welcome.
		I think you're going to enjoy it.
		This seems like a lot.
		I know it is.
		This program is growing very quickly.
		WLMAAM in Greenwood, South Carolina.
		Welcome to Dreamland.
		For now, a total of 125 affiliates on Dreamland, minus, of course, whatever baseball takes away by its nightly exhibition of boredom, where that preempts us.
		And so in just a moment, that was quite a bit, wasn't it?
		Linda Howe, we all know that infrastructure...
		But she has gone over to our affiliate, KBIM, in Roswell, New Mexico, and recorded a very, very interesting report for us.
		So here it is.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
		I'm in Roswell, New Mexico this 4th of July weekend to participate in the first annual Roswell UFO encounter.
		There's everything here from parades and art fairs to a laser show and some serious discussions about what happened here nearly 50 years ago that grabbed the world's attention.
		Back in 1947 on July 8th, then Army Air Force Bombardier and Public Information Officer Walter Hott delivered an official Roswell Army Air Force press release to the media, which said that a, quote, flying saucer, unquote, had crashed on a ranch northwest of Roswell, New Mexico.
		And that headline made evening newspapers, including the Chicago Daily News and the Los Angeles Herald Express.
		But by the next morning headlines, a new story emerged that what fell on that ranch was only a weather balloon, not a flying disc.
		Today, nearly 50 years later, the issue of a government cover-up still rages.
		And with me is nuclear physicist Danton Friedman, who has been investigating this case since 1978.
		Welcome to Dreamland again.
unidentified		Glad to be on again, Linda.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Well, what is the latest on New Mexico Congressman Stephen Schiff's request for the government accounting office to investigate the Roswell crash and make a report?
unidentified		Well, the rumors for weeks were that yesterday we would get the GAO report finally.
		Thank goodness was the thought, you know, a year and a half.
		Now my inside sources tell me it probably won't be ready until August.
		What's going to be in it?
		I don't know.
		Nobody else seems to know.
		We do know that Congressman Schiff gave specific instructions to the GAO not long ago as to what things they must cover.
		So whether it's going to be a little report, a big report, whether it's going to have anything useful that they might have found.
		I do know that the GAO stirred up a lot of government agencies about going through old records.
		And I know that, for example, out of the blue, I get a letter from the Army Counterintelligence, the Army Freedom of Information Act Office, requests that I had made several years ago for counterintelligence corps stuff on UFOs where I was told they had nothing.
		Out of the blue, oh, we did another search years later, and we found all this stuff.
		Here you can have copies for you.
		Nothing terribly exciting.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		But all about flying disks.
unidentified		All about flying disks.
		In 1947, the U.S. government was asking all over Germany for people to find anything about German technology that might be related to this.
		Find these investigators, find those investigators.
		So at least, and I know from talking to the GAO, that they had stirred up the counterintelligence corps people.
		So who knows how many boxes of good stuff are sitting around in somebody's junkyard, so to speak.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And how much we might get that's really serious in this GAO report.
		And that leads to, could this delay be related to the now Very controversial emergence of alleged 16 millimeter film of quote-unquote non-human bodies in an autopsy that has been screened at least partly by some people in London in May.
		There's supposed to be another screening of more footage in August and a release on at least English television sometime in late August.
		Could this be why this GAO report has been delayed?
unidentified		It certainly could be one of the reasons because that's gotten an awful lot of attention.
		Other ones might be that, for example, the rumor is that the Air Force is ready to strike again with another attempted preemptive strike.
		You remember last September, they came out with that 24-page paper saying it was just mogul balloon.
		Now, there were so many lies and misrepresentations in that paper.
		I don't know how they could look themselves in the face.
		Specific ones, I've done a 27-page paper on it.
		And it may well be that they're trying to cover all bases with this thing.
		But the English footage has stirred things up, and there are documentaries being made.
		There's an enormous amount of junk on the internet.
		You know, we have this great contrast.
		Modern technology is wonderful.
		I just recently finished a CD-ROM disc, and it's more information than you could put in five videos and ten books.
		And it's great to have it in one little disc if you've got the equipment to play it.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		But what's on the internet is not always truth.
unidentified		No, much of what's on the internet isn't truth.
		And I've been the victim of some of these lies.
		They said I saw the footage.
		I did meet with the owner, Mr. Santelli, twice in London.
		I did not see the footage.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		But we have seen some photos here.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		People have seen chunks of footage.
		And there are new ones that have been released.
		They're playing this game beautifully.
		If you want, of course, in public relations, how to tout something to try to get a lot of money out of it, they played it wonderfully.
		And the most recent thing was that they were going to show it to 10 senators two days ago.
		Since Senate is in session, it seems very unlikely.
		There's no indication that that actually happened.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		But it could be why this postponement on the GAO report.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Maybe someone in Washington is looking at the Santilli film.
unidentified		Yes.
		But one thing that's clear here, certainly the Air Force attack and some subsequent statements that have been made by others, the government seems still bound and determined to keep their secrets.
		That was a vicious, strong response from the Air Force.
		It was in violation of all the rules that the GAO had laid down.
		The Air Force was supposed to make their stuff available to the GAO.
		And we hear scuttlebutt from other places that people have been threatened.
		One witness that I had talked to years ago said he can't talk.
		He got phone calls.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		After the release of the Central Empire?
unidentified		No, just before that.
unidentified		But after the release of last fall, Air Force thing.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		About Project Mogul being the answer to what was first reported as the crash of a flying saucer.
unidentified		Yeah, and the Mogul explanation doesn't hold up, and people who look at the cases know that it doesn't hold up.
		Now, one hope, and it's the kind of thing that could happen as a result of this festival down here, is that new witnesses will finally come forward, hearing that so many other people are talking, why shouldn't they?
		One of the things that worries me, of course, is that could mean that new phony witnesses come forth.
		Just as the police have people who phonally confess the crime.
		So how to sort this out when you don't have a budget becomes very difficult.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And if the government is perpetuating yet a second lie over the first lie, it raises an even bigger question.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Why, 50 years later, would the government still have a policy of silence on something that would seem so fundamental to a democracy, which would be sharing at least information about contact with something other than human?
unidentified		And you know, the pictures of the bodies don't look frightening.
		That's the strange thing.
		There's nothing threatening about that.
		And the latest word is that this stuff was really sort of counterintelligence footage prepared for the U.S. government.
		And you really want a strange story.
		Apparently, somebody from Republic of China, that is Taiwan, I'm sorry, and Japan, went to Mr. Santoli and said, hey, they'd seen this footage before.
		They'd gotten it in exchange for supplying good UFO footage to the CIA.
		And along with this is the word that maybe this was prepared many years ago as a backup just in case something happened or the story broke, that they could put out this garbage.
		And once it was exposed, that would kill the whole thing, just like the Hitler diaries.
		You know, it was a terrible disaster for the media, and they kept their hands off that stuff.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		I, too, have received some information from an alleged inside government source who has warned me, saying, be careful of this film, not denying that there was a crash, not denying that there were bodies in a disk, but to be careful about the current emergence of film and that what may follow in the next year or two may be an emergence of really more accurate, more valid information.
		And this may be a test of public waters right now.
		And I think what we all have to do is stand back and watch.
		And over the next few weeks on Dreamland, depending upon what kind of report comes from, the GAO and any other sources, we'll be reporting on Dreamland.
		And we'll be coming back to you, Stanton, for the latest and the updates.
unidentified		I look forward to it.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Thanks.
		In art, Walter Haught told me that he's going to keep doing these UFO encounters here at least through July 1997, the 50th year after this alleged crash of a flying saucer.
		And between now and then, let's hope that finally we're going to see real photographs, real film, and maybe finally an admission by the United States government about something that did happen on that ranch outside of Corona near Roswell in July of 1947 that will finally begin to crack open this whole big issue.
		If we're not alone in the universe, what is out there and why is it interacting with our planet?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I'm not holding my breath on that, but I am wanting to thank again our affiliate, KBIM and Roswell, and Linda Howe for her report.
		Stanton Friedman, of course, is a nuclear physicist, very much involved in the whole study of UFOs.
		So that was a good interview.
		Coming up in just one moment is the director of the National UFO Reporting Center, Peter Davenport up in Seattle.
		And believe me, there's a lot going on.
		He's going to tell us about it.
		Following that, Elaine Stevens, who has written a brand new book that I think you're going to find fascinating.
		We're going to be talking about people who have lived before.
		How many of you out there think you may have lived before?
		We'll talk to Elaine about that.
		She'll up to Seattle now.
		And let's say good evening, Peter Davenport.
		Hi.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Good evening, Art.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very well, indeed.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Delightful to be back.
		And it's always a privilege to be on Dreamland.
		It's a high honor to be addressing so many of our countrymen on this most uniquely American holiday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Peter, the holiday began, I guess, really with my program, Friday Night, Saturday Morning, the regular syndicated program I do.
		The whole night, Peter, was filled with UFO reports.
		Something's going on out there.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		There is something going on.
		The hotline in Seattle has been so busy over the last four months that when I was preparing for this program, Art, I almost didn't know where to begin, which cluster of sightings to start reporting.
		But what I'd like to do is just comment on the few words we just heard from Stan Friedman and Linda Howe, if I could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		They're both going to be in Seattle next weekend for the annual MUFON Mutual UFO Network International Symposium.
		I'm looking forward to seeing them both here.
		Our listeners might want to have something to write with nearby because I'm going to be giving that number out where they can call to make reservations if they'd like to come and join us in Seattle.
		It's going to be a most exciting program up here.
		But one comment I wanted to make about what Stan Friedman and Linda were just saying is, you know, our president could stop all of this debate very easily if he were simply to make a statement, preferably in writing, to the effect that anybody who works for the United States government, who knows anything about UFOs, is free to speak and, moreover, should speak on this subject.
		I think it's high time and it seems appropriate to be making this point on a holiday that is supposed to celebrate the preeminence of the American people over their government and their public servants.
		It seems appropriate at that time to be appealing to our government, in fact, more than appealing, insisting that they come clean on this subject of UFOs over America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're in the hot spot.
		I mean, you get all the reports.
		So you tell me, is this real?
		is this uh...
		some mass hypnotic problem people are having is it Yes.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I am certainly in a cat seat on the hotline here in Seattle.
		It is fascinating.
		We are getting clusters of reports from all over the country, and I will be playing, if we have enough time, I will be playing short excerpts from a couple of the reports that I've received in the last several months.
		And we'll leave it up to our listeners to decide for themselves whether these people who are calling, one is a senior pilot for an American-based airline, the other is an FAA air traffic controller somewhere in the Midwest.
		I'll be playing brief 30-second or 60-second vignettes from what they had to say regarding what they saw, and our listeners can decide for themselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we've only got about a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's the hottest thing that's happened lately?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I would say the hottest thing is the cluster of calls we got on the 15th of March, the Eyes of March.
		Shakespeare was correct.
		Beware of the Eides of March.
		We took calls from eight states over the course of about two hours, and to cut to the chase, it appears to us that a blue-green egg-shaped ship, a ship that is, covered eight states in approximately 12 minutes.
		Where?
		From Jacksonville, Florida, up Washington, D.C., out to Jefferson City, Missouri, Illinois, and Jackson, Tennessee.
		That was all in 12 minutes.
		It was streaking overhead at a low altitude.
		Most recently, we took a call from Adair County in southwest Iowa.
		Two young gentlemen were chasing up to 12 lights that were seen to land on farmland.
		The next day, we took calls from Cameron, Missouri, specifically from the police out there.
		They had a sighting that was so, so bizarre that an emergency response team.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, actually, that one I want to hear about.
		All right, hold on.
		Stay right where you are.
		Peter Davenport, we'll be right back to you.
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unidentified		Thank you.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly is.
		Now, back to the director of the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, Peter Davenport.
		And Peter, I've just got a quick facts here.
		Art, just wanted to get this in before you bring Mr. Davenport on from Seattle.
		Unusual flurries of UFO activity, such as is being reported in Seattle, is often, but not always, connected with impending earth change activity.
		Is he aware of any seismic activity around Mount Rainier?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		There's been a lot of discussion in the local press about a bulge that appears to be growing on, I think it's on the northwest side of Mount Rainier, but we're out of my field.
		I don't know a thing about volcanoes.
		I don't know a thing about earthquakes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, that's close enough.
		We've got a small amount of time, so if you would, the story about the police, I heard that before, and it's fascinating.
		Tell me.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It is fascinating.
		It's findingly report.
		13 nights ago, we got a report from a young gentleman in southwest Iowa.
		He recounted to me about a five-hour period on the preceding night when he and another gentleman were pursuing some strange ships, strange lights in the sky in southwestern Iowa.
		Well, it was only one report, so you mentally put a double asterisk by it and hope that somebody else calls to confirm it.
		Well, my wishes were fulfilled.
		The next morning, Wednesday, the 21st of June, I got a call from the Cameron, Missouri Police Department.
		Very nice young police officer called to report a cluster of events that they had experienced and recorded out there.
		They had an emergency dispatch team, an ambulance, a fire truck, and some police and highway patrolmen have something go right over them, apparently.
		The object was seen from many points in the state of Missouri.
		To cut to the chase, they spent two hours on foot looking for the debris from what they concluded must have been some kind of crash, some kind of airliner that had hit the ground.
		They found nothing.
		This police officer who was very kind to call us, I just received an excellent written report from him in yesterday's mail, described his investigation of the events, and I am satisfied that something extremely bizarre took place there.
		The next morning, three young men, teenagers, walked into the police station and reported their events, what they had seen the night before, southwest of Cameron, Missouri.
		And the object was streaking above their heads for apparently two hours.
		And this object is an object that I believe we have had reported to us in the past over the last four or five months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Peter, when you say streaking, you know, in my mind, streaking means streaking almost from one horizon to the other, so it must have been doing a dance.
unidentified		Yes.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Apparently it was moving very fast at one point.
		At another time, it was just hovering motionless in the night sky.
		So the phenomenon is very bizarre.
		It's very difficult to describe four months of coals in just the few minutes we have here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you had a couple of reports.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to go ahead and try and air one of those?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Let me play just a brief report we took on the 15th of March this year.
		This comes from a retired senior airline pilot who saw something very close to the nation's capital, and it's very interesting.
		Here we go, about 40 seconds worth of report.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now from Peter Davenport.
unidentified		This was 1127, and we were heading approximately 250 degrees on, we were heading westbound on Route 123, approaching Chain Bridge Road in McCain, Virginia.
		And we saw this real bright object.
		We first noticed it about 35 degrees above the horizon, and it went all the way to the horizon.
		It was white, and it looks like to us it had like a little greenish tint.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That report goes on for about 20 minutes, but that object that was seen descending almost vertically just west of Washington, D.C., seconds later, went streaking over a woman's head in West Virginia, the town of Westover, West Virginia, right on the Pennsylvania border.
		Within seconds, perhaps minutes, it was over Jefferson City, Missouri.
		Then it turned back east after hovering over Jefferson City for about seven seconds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, see, this is where suddenly it becomes not a re-entering object, not the space shuttle, not a space station mirror or a satellite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those things don't turn around and go anywhere.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		It went over St. Louis, Missouri.
		It gave rise to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of calls to the 911 service there.
		It stopped over Collinsville, Illinois for about 40 seconds.
		It then streaked down to Jackson, Tennessee.
		At least this is our presumed, the presumed track of the object.
		It was seen to hover over Jackson, Tennessee for about 30 seconds.
		At that point, it spewed out a huge cloud of red sparks, and the last thing the witness saw of it, it was streaking southwest from Tennessee.
		That was the 15th of March this year, and we've taken many, many calls, very similar to the one you just heard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're sure in the middle of something.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Something is going on, that is for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Peter, we're way short on time here, so we're going to have to scoot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to have to have you on as a guest, and we'll go through and take a lot more time and go through a lot of the reports that I know you have.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That sounds fine.
		I'm going to be at the convention in Seattle next weekend, 7th, 8th, and 9th of July.
		People would like to come and join us.
		It's a very exciting program.
		Telephone number to call in Seattle is 488-3805.
		That's 488-3805.
		And thanks very much, Arthur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Peter.
		Peter Davenport, and he's the national director of the UFO Reporting Center there.
		And I'm telling you, folks, we're really going through it right now.
		All right, moving on.
		Hypnotherapist Elaine Stevens, author.
		Her book, Whispers of the Mind.
		She's given seminars, presentations at adult education facilities, the University of Nevada, Texas Women's University, Truckee Meadows Community College, Southwest Hypnosis Convention, a teacher of self-hypnosis, there we go, for health and learning, endorsed by Dr. Brian Weiss, author and psychiatrist.
		So, now to Elaine Stevens, and I believe that Elaine is in Reno, Nevada.
		Is that correct, Elaine?
unidentified		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the program.
unidentified		Well, thank you very much.
unidentified		Thank you for having me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Elaine, first of all, you may want to comment before we get into anything else on some of what you've heard here at the beginning of the program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We appear to be going through a real flurry Of UFO activity in the country right now.
unidentified		Which is very interesting to me.
		A lot of the people that I have worked with in hypnosis in either doing a past life regression session with them, in one instance, I was doing what I call a Harris self-session where the person was seeking guidance from within themselves.
		And in many, many cases, people will spontaneously remember contact that they've had, either earlier in this life or strangely enough, even in past lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I'm curious about that.
		How do you bump into that?
		In other words, I assume that normally when you do hypnotherapy, you're doing it for rather mundane reasons, you know, to help them quit smoking or to lose weight or something like that.
		Right.
		How do you suddenly either bump into somebody's past life or, even more interestingly, some sort of contact with ETs?
unidentified		Well, what happens is I work at very deep intuitive levels with people and teach self-hypnosis and guide clients into memories of past lives, specifically on purpose to help them understand the present.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Also, in other words, you're aware of it and using it, as some of my other guests have, as therapy, past life mistakes for current life improvement.
unidentified		Exactly.
		And then, but when the UFO things come up, that's something I was in, I had a practice in Houston, Texas for eight years before I moved to Nevada.
		And for the first eight years of my practice, I did not encounter even one case, which was very interesting to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that's because you didn't try, or you weren't aware, or you weren't digging for a past life, or why would there not have been?
unidentified		No, I was doing a lot of past life regression, but nothing had come up around UFOs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see, I see.
		Well, I'm even interested, very interested, Elaine, in how you fell into the discovery of the whole past life phenomenon.
		Did it happen one day suddenly with a patient?
		Or did you read about it in a book and try it yourself?
		Or what happened?
unidentified		Well, the first time I ever used hypnosis was for childbirth.
		I have a son, Michael, and he was born with hypnosis as the anesthetic.
		So that was my introduction to the tool of hypnosis.
		And then many years later, probably when he was about 10, I read a book.
		And the book talked about remembering past lives while in hypnosis.
		And I was absolutely incredibly blown away and thought, whoo, not only can you have a baby, you can remember a past life.
		This is what I want to study.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me understand what hypnosis is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I recall the Lamaz, is it the Lama's method?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The breathing and the concentration.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that a form of hypnosis?
unidentified		Well, it is, yes.
		Anytime that you focus your concentration on your breathing, on a candle flame, when you're working with a hypnotherapist on the sound of their voice, you're altering your brainwave pattern.
		Right now, we're both in beta consciousness, very conscious and alert.
		But if we began to relax our physical body without any direction from anyone, what will automatically happen is that you slow down that cycle per second brainwave activity and drift into what's known as an alpha state.
		And that's simply a state of relaxation.
		Many straight driving manuals caution, beware of road hypnosis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so it's really just sort of a concentration exercise.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mm-hmm.
unidentified		In a state of relaxation.
		A simple thing we experience going to sleep and awakening.
		We go through all those brainwave patterns.
		It's a natural inherent ability that everyone on the planet has command of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I still want to, I've never really properly understood hypnosis.
		I've read a couple of books on it, and I've watched these people up on stage.
unidentified		Oh, yes, I love them.
unidentified		Do you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that a different or greater level or deeper level of hypnosis than the kind of concentration exercise we just talked about?
unidentified		Well, what it is, a stage hypnotist is really a very skilled hypnotist.
		And what they do is they can, they'll ask for volunteers.
		Have you ever been to a show and seen a stage hypnotist?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have, yes.
unidentified		Generally, they ask for volunteers from the audience.
		Maybe 30 people will go up on stage.
		And they can talk with them, and they can talk in what's known as sort of a voice role.
		And they can be sort of suggesting things and just seeing how suggestible those people are.
		There are very quick things you can do to determine someone's suggestibility level.
		You could ask everyone to stand with their hands out in front of them, walk down the row, push on their hands.
		Those who offered the least resistance would be the most suggestible.
		And you would eliminate any people in a stage show who were not extremely suggestible.
		They say that about 10% of the population has the ability to achieve what's known as a sonomulistic level state.
		That's a very deep level of hypnosis.
		And it's from that state that suggestions given by a stage hypnotist are acted upon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, out of 30, they find several really good subjects.
unidentified		Really good subjects.
unidentified		And that's who they do their show with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then it is the people themselves that are able to go into a deeper state rather than the ability of the hypnotherapist to take everybody to that same deep state.
unidentified		Yeah, you can't take everyone to that state.
unidentified		And what's happening, it's a demonstration, really, of the incredible power of the human mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, how would you characterize somebody who, in effect, can't be hypnotized, Elaine?
		Is that person, do they simply have a very strong will or the inability to concentrate and relax.
		How do you characterize them?
		Would you characterize them as a strong person or an obstinate person or what?
unidentified		I would characterize them as someone who is afraid of losing control.
		I never hypnotize anyone without first fully explaining the process and what my role is in it and having them be very, very aware of the fact that they are in control.
		And I even give a suggestion on all the hypnosis tapes I create in every session I do that if you're uncomfortable for any reason, you'll simply open your eyes and be wide awake.
		And that suggestion can be followed by a person should they choose, you know, to bring themselves out of hypnosis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fascinating.
		All right, hold tight just a moment.
		We'll be right back to you.
		A couple of more questions about hypnosis, things I've always wanted to know, and then we'll get into the past life business.
		That's really something.
		Stay right there.
		North American GMX, back now to Elaine.
		I can't remember the name of the movie, Elaine, but there have been a lot of movies about a mind control, making people do things they don't want to do.
		Now, you said somebody doesn't want to be hypnotized or they're uncomfortable.
		They just open their eyes.
		But could a skilled hypnotherapist convince somebody, for example, I'm going to give you an example, that somebody on this earth is such an evil person.
		This person is virtually a modern-day Hitler.
		This person is evil incarnate and must die.
		And could you, through a series of sessions, convince a person of that, finally depositing with them some sort of post-hypnotic suggestion to kill that person?
unidentified		Well, I hate to think that's possible.
unidentified		However, I do believe it's possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought so.
unidentified		Let me tell you, though, tests have been done with people who are very, that sonomielistic level subject that I spoke of earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, correct.
unidentified		Tests have been done with someone who's in that level of hypnosis.
		And if that's an average person who does not have murder in their heart and would not kill, I don't believe I would kill someone.
		I probably would to protect my own life or the life of someone I love.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, but through a series of proper post-hips.
unidentified		Yes, if you had access to someone at that level, but in the tests that I've read about that have been done, a sonobulistic level subject will be told, you're in danger.
		Lying beside you is a knife.
		I am going to harm you.
		Pick the knife up and defend yourself.
		Stab me.
		The subject will reach over and pick up the knife.
		They will draw it back as though they're intending to stab someone.
		And then they will drop it in confusion and bring themselves out of hypnosis and not understand what's happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but that was a one-session attempt.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you spent a very long time with a person, many sessions, you're telling me it would be possible.
unidentified		Yes.
		Think of what happens to prisoners of war.
		Think of the way their minds are altered or anyone who becomes a prisoner.
		The Hearst woman, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Patty Hearst, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, Patty Hearst, when she was held captive, I read the book.
		Exactly.
		Exactly.
		And so the mind is a very, very powerful tool, and we can use it as either healer or slayer, and each of us has to take responsibility for how we direct it, and hopefully we do not fall in the hands of someone that operates at such a low level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there many people in your field, or even any, and I certainly don't want names, who you would consider to be less than ethical in the way they practice?
unidentified		I think that there are people who use hypnosis as a power tool, who do not really communicate accurately how the tool works and does not explain to their client or subject that it is the subject's mind that is being worked with with techniques that the hypnotist knows.
		And any changes that are affected, if you go to a hypnotist to stop smoking, the hypnotist, it can't lock you in a closet and keep you there to keep you from smoking.
		The suggestions are planted in your mind, and you then act on those suggestions.
		So I think that probably the thing that I see...
		But that's just the trick.
		You can't make someone do something.
		Like if you came to me and said, I want to stop smoking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do smoke, and I'd love to stop.
		You know, I say that.
		I mouth that.
		But really, you know, I love cigarettes.
		I really don't.
		And so you could hypnotize me till the cows come home.
unidentified		And no change would be affected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, what are you really doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because unless I've made up my mind that I really want to quit when I come to you, you can't get me to quit.
unidentified		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't mean to be so rough on you here.
unidentified		Well, no, that's okay.
		I worked with a woman one time, really, a woman that was lying in a hospital bed, and she had had one foot amputated, and the other foot was nixed.
		And she was a smoker.
		And her physician said, you have got to stop because that creates a problem with blood flow.
		It constricts veins.
		And even with that motivation, I mean, we're talking about a woman with one foot missing and another about to be chopped off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Still she smoked.
unidentified		And still she smoked.
		I went into the, my daughter happened to be a patient in the hospital at the time also.
		And she said to her, oh, my mom can help you.
		And I went in, of course, to see my child.
		And she said, Mama, you know, this woman's having a problem.
		They're going to cut it and glow.
		And I said, oh.
		I said, if you would like, I would be happy to bring my equipment to the hospital.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Elaine.
		And We've got to hold the story right there.
		We're going to break points.
		Stay right there.
		And now, back to Elaine Stevens.
		Elaine, are you there?
unidentified		I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
		Please ask your guest the following question.
		And you deal with minds a lot.
		Would the revelation that beings exist from any other place in the universe shatter the foundations of human society here and now?
		In other words, religious people would be thrown into a tizzy, the entire structure of the human belief system into chaos?
		How would people handle it?
unidentified		Well, I think that we're far more flexible than we're given credit for, and thousands upon thousands of people are having contact, and they're not thrown into a tizzy.
unidentified		As a matter of fact, they're very powerful, strong people to have that kind of knowledge and be able to function in a world that chooses, for the most part, not to believe that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, Elaine, I listen to you, and you sound so sure of yourself, and you've talked to so many people, and I do shows like this all the time, and this gives people out there opportunities to take pot shots at me, which they do all the time.
		If I were a pincushion, I'd be full.
		That's okay.
		I don't mind.
		What do you run into?
		Are you criticized for working in these, even for a hypnotherapist, sort of different areas?
unidentified		Well, I've gotten used to it.
		Consider the fact that the first work I did and was drawn to as a hypnotist was to work with exploring past lives.
		I've gotten, I've been, I don't know, sort of ridiculed or looked down upon.
		People have been disdainful with my personal belief system and how I conduct my life.
		And that's fine.
		I work from my own belief system, and that sustains me.
		I really don't care what other people think.
		Each of us needs to create whatever belief system works for us.
		And if we differ, we're going to differ.
		That's okay.
		We can agree to disagree.
		I no longer get into Mexican stands off with people and going to fight them to the death over it.
		I don't care if people believe they've lived past lives or not.
		The second chapter in my book is titled, I think I made that up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know Dr. Bruce Goldberg or know of his work?
unidentified		Oh, yes, of course.
unidentified		I don't know him personally, but I have read his book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He does past and future life.
unidentified		Yes, I've done future lives also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you have?
		Oh, of course.
		Well, let's begin with past lives.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Elaine, what is the best evidence that you've run into personally?
		I mean, this is, I know of no greater question for humankind, and that is whether our soul lives on once these physical bodies end, whether there really is more or not.
		It's a pretty big question, Elaine.
		You must have answered it for yourself.
unidentified		Yes, I think I've done probably thousands of regressions at this point.
		And in every past-life regression that I conduct, I always, at the end of the session, direct the person to the last day of their life.
		And then to what happens beyond that last day.
		And first off, our culture is frightened to death of death.
		We fear death as though we're not going to, if we get scared enough, we won't have to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's because we think it's terminal.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The great blackness.
unidentified		The great blackness.
		But what I've discovered in guiding people through their own death experience in a previous lifetime is that there's always, I don't care if they die peacefully at home in their bed, surrounded by family who are there to nurture and love them through the experience, or if they die on a battlefield run through by a sword or trampled by wild horses.
		It doesn't matter how they die.
		The experience is always the same.
		And the experience is one where they're immediately peaceful and calm and surrounded with light and love.
		And there's no fear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you add the word aware?
unidentified		Oh, yes, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's what everybody wants to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once you've died, is there an awareness?
unidentified		There is an awareness.
		There is, in my mind, no death.
		None at all.
		I had a friend, a very close friend, who died several years ago.
		And I went down and spent time with him the last month before he died.
		And I asked him, where's your heart?
		Where's your head?
		I feel badly that I have my life and it's obviously going to continue for a while longer than yours.
		I don't know why you're leaving now, but how do you feel?
		And he said, my greatest fear is that it will be like when you leave a room and you turn off a light switch.
		It's light and then it's dark.
		There will be nothing.
		And I just said, oh, wow.
		You know, I don't know how I can convince you at this point or what words I can give you, but I can promise you, I promise you, I have guided thousands of people through their death, and that is not what will happen.
		You have lived your life with tremendous love and caring, and you will be greeted with that same caring the moment breath ceases in your body.
		What does?
		And I know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As best you know, Elaine, what does happen when you die?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When that final breath leaves your body, what happens to you?
unidentified		The first thing that happens is that people float out of their body.
		They generally are floating near the ceiling of the room.
		They look down at their body.
		My first question is, how do you feel now?
		Peaceful.
		It's okay.
		Yeah.
		So it doesn't, and I just, aren't I going to be surprised when I die if, in fact, that's not what happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you won't, because it'll be like throwing a switch off, Elaine.
unidentified		So you'll never be up there saying you're sitting there in the black.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'll never be saying, gee, I screwed that one up.
unidentified		But it gives me comfort while I live.
unidentified		I believe that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I like really hard questions.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And here's one for you, Elaine.
		All right.
		You may have seen a piece on 60 Minutes not very long ago.
		Actually, there's two I want to refer to.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because they both got to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One was of a lady who had an aneurysm in her brain.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The aneurysm, did you see it?
unidentified		No, I didn't.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The aneurysm was, you know, a big bulbous thing in her brain.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the doctors determined that to operate on her would burst it and she would die.
		So it was inoperable.
		Except they have this amazing new procedure where they reduce the temperature of your body.
		And they did in her case.
		Drained all of the blood.
		I said all of the blood from her body.
		She went flat line.
		No brain waves, no heartbeat, no air into the lungs, nothing for about 40 minutes.
		About 40 minutes.
		Now, the reason they did that is once they drained the blood from her body, there was no more blood pressure.
		Hence, the aneurysm collapsed, and they were then able to excise it and sew her up.
		But the interesting part, Elaine, is that for 40 minutes, she was flat line.
		They warmed up her blood, and they put it back in her body.
		And as they did, with no additional revival techniques, you know, paddles or any of that, all her signs came back.
		Her brain waves began once again.
		Her heartbeat, and she was breathing.
		She was back alive.
		As a matter of fact, she's cured.
		Now, she's not the only one that they have done this to.
		And my question is, for those 40 minutes, where was she?
unidentified		I hope out of that body.
		I will assume out of that body.
		And perhaps I would love to talk with her.
		I would love to know.
		I would love to do hypnosis with her and see what, in fact, if we could find out what she was doing during that 40 minutes.
		And perhaps she experienced what a great many people study and write about now called near-death experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And that's an incredible, life-changing experience of its own.
		The story certainly makes you applaud science and the things we can do to help people now.
		The story also makes me think we must have incredible assistance from many levels that we cannot even imagine to be able to do such a thing with someone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		All right.
		Again, you, as a practice, take people into past lives in order to help them with current lives.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said earlier that it doesn't matter how somebody died, whether it was peacefully in bed without pain or whether some horrible accident happened to them.
		What about ghosts, Elaine?
		Entities that appear to be still here on Earth for one reason or another.
		And generally, when the death has been violent or there's been some great trauma, even unfulfilled love, something really emotionally important at the moment of this violent death, they seem to remain.
		Now, is there anything to that, or would you just say, I don't believe in ghosts?
unidentified		Oh, no.
unidentified		I would say I live in Virginia City, Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is a famous ghost up near you.
unidentified		Lots and lots of famous ghosts.
		I live in a house that was built in the 1800s.
		And I don't think I live alone.
		I think that what happens at a soul level is that if there is a trauma at the time of death, or as you say, if there is a longing for a person or a place, I think that at a soul level, that person is trapped at the earth plane level.
		One of the things that happened to me when I first began to become more intuitive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, Elaine, there are exceptions to what you said earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not everybody has a peaceful transition, apparently, or at least it doesn't sound like to me if you're stuck down here with pain rattling behind you.
unidentified		But I think that you can do work with a ghost and you can direct them to the light, to a higher level of consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Oh, yes.
		And a great deal of work like that is done.
		Have you ever seen...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's hold that question.
		We'll be right back to Elaine Stevens, and we're sort of off track right now, but it is a very interesting track.
		And we'll be taking telephone calls shortly.
		Stay right where you are.
		Here's something that's really affected my life, and not just mine, but my wife's too.
		My wife has asthma, and trust me on this.
		Our home is a different place since we turned on the Alpine system.
		Elaine, before the bottom of the hour, what's the best actual evidence?
		In other words, have you ever asked anybody about a past life?
		Once you get into it and you're talking to somebody or about getting memories of somebody who lived in a prior life, there ought to be things you can nail down.
		Descriptions of places or things that Elaine can then go investigate and say, well, yes, by God, it's true.
unidentified		When I first started doing past life regressions art, I spent more time at the library than I did in my office.
		I would do regressions and I Would think, how in heaven's name could they know that?
		Or is that accurate?
		And I would run off to the library and I would get the encyclopedias or whatever reference sort of books I needed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My bet.
unidentified		And the dates would be correct.
		The things that had happened would be correct.
		I would think, that's not how people dressed then.
		I would get books about costume and dress in different time periods.
		It would be totally accurate.
		But the real clue, there's another clue that's more important than historical data, and that's the feelings that people experience.
		A truly meaningful past life regression is not a historical account.
		It is a deeply moving emotional experience, a memory of another time when we have lived and experienced things at many levels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess a person would ask this about death.
		If it is not the end, Elaine, then what you're talking about really is reincarnation.
		It really is reincarnation.
		A word by any other name still is another life, right?
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's reincarnation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you don't carry with you from one lifetime to another the consciousness that you enjoyed in the prior lifetime, then in a sense, you're not continuing.
unidentified		Oh, but I think all of the gifts we have, I think that each of us has something special and shiny and bright about ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And that something special and shiny and bright, something we do well, an ability to communicate or be loving in the world, those abilities have been honed and learned through many lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But Elaine, that's more like a genetic memory than it is a consciousness.
		On that note, we've got a break here at the bottom of the hour.
		And we will come back to that point because I think it's a pretty important one.
		If you're concerned about a continuation of consciousness, at least I guess that's a bit better than the switch in the off position.
		We'll be right back.
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		Now, pycnogenols, what are they?
		They're antioxidants.
		That's believable.
unidentified		Yeah, and they're not on this planet.
		Oh.
		Which kind of frightens me, I think.
		Did we really destroy it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By 2,300.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you say many are not on this planet.
unidentified		And then the other question is, is this just a possibility that's afforded to people at that point?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I talk to people like, you probably heard Gordon Michael Scallion.
		Oh, of course.
		And Mr. Scallion suggests that there are many possible futures that he will see them one brighter many times than another.
		Is that true of the individual life course as well?
unidentified		I think so.
		I think many, many years ago, when I first started exploring all of these questions, I was reading assess material.
		And one of the books called, I believe it was The Unknown Reality by Jane Roberts, and it was part of the SES material, part of that series of books.
		One of those books spoke of possible realities and people being shown, if you stay on this course at this moment that you are on, this is a possible outplay of that.
		This is what will become of you.
		If you change consciousness and choose to make some choices in how you live and how you conduct your life, this is the outplay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		People like Mr. Scallion do a more collective job on it.
		They say, if humanity continues on its present course, these incredible earth changes will occur.
		And it leads me to have to ask you, have you taken anybody into a future life who has seen or hinted at these earth changes?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		No, I think that right at the moment that we live at, right now, is a critical point in the history of life on this planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I agree with that.
unidentified		And I think that consciousness can be changed and raised, and the future can, in fact, change.
unidentified		I think that obviously you don't have to read very much or watch the news, but maybe one night a week and come to the conclusion that we're on some sort of self-destruct course here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		So then, why is the answer to my previous question no?
		In other words, I would have thought, Given our present course, unless you're telling us you know for sure there's going to be a change, there is disaster ahead of one sort or another, social or earth changes or economic or whatever.
		And so, why have you not found a hint of this from those people, those future lives you've looked at?
unidentified		Well, I have never directed a group to a time before like 2300.
unidentified		And because you have to consider that while we are part of the mass of men, we are part of a collective consciousness, if you will, we are also individuals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but at 2300, you see a very controlled life, but you do see a life.
		And you said you see not all of those future lives at all on this planet.
		Yes.
		With more of them gone than here?
unidentified		It's hard to tell sometimes exactly where they are.
		The technology is so incredibly advanced.
		The capabilities that have been developed are so advanced.
		And some of them are here.
		It's very, very different than what we can even conceive of now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can give me a typical description.
		I mean, when you get somebody on her and you get them into a future life, and let's say they're in 2300, what is the kind of thing they would say to you?
		I see the following, or what would they say?
unidentified		They have before them very often a control.
		You know how we have computers now that can do amazing things?
		I can't even work a quarter or an eighth or a teeny part of what's on my computer.
		Yes.
		But people seem to have these incredible control systems in front of them that operate a screen and they can access knowledge or information.
		They can make changes to their environment.
		There's a tremendous capability there, seemingly at the fingertips of the individual.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you're talking to people that are saying they are in control of their own environment and they have machines to do that.
		Interesting.
		Hold on, Elaine.
		Very, very interesting.
		And a bit of a different possible future, at least in the year 2300.
		What a fascinating course.
		We'll be right back.
		Our guest is Elaine Stevens.
		She's author of Whispers of the Mind.
		And we're talking about past and future lives and a lot of related phenomena.
		And so we'll get right back to her and take a couple of calls.
		Elaine, are you there?
unidentified		I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, here they come.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elaine Stevens.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Oklahoma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the show.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Assuming that we all have had past lives, then I would also have to assume that we have probably all done really horrific things, and we have probably had terribly horrible and frightening things done to us, like being murdered and things like that.
		My question then is, why would anybody want to go into a past life regression?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		It's a good question.
		In other words, why are you doing it, Elaine?
unidentified		Well, I do it because I think that we are extremely complex beings, and it gives us a greater understanding of all of the facets of who we are.
		People do not remember horrific and horrible things unless perhaps they're having that affect their life now.
		If you have a fear, say, of water, it may be that you have drowned in a past life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take an example.
		Let's say I did drown in my past life.
		Horrible way to die.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Trump, very traumatic.
		And it's somehow affecting me in this life.
		When you take me into that past life and make me relive that moment of drowning, how do you help me?
unidentified		What happens is I, number one, can't make you relive it.
unidentified		You will only relive or remember.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I want to.
unidentified		Yeah, what you can handle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, how will that help me?
unidentified		It'll help you because knowledge is always power.
		And once you have that memory at a conscious level, it's only what we don't know of that controls us with fear.
		But once something is conscious, the fear is diffused and somehow magically, and I wish I could tell you exactly how it works, but I can assure you that once you have the memory at a conscious level, fear is gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can suddenly deal with it.
unidentified		No, that's not suddenly deal with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That does make sense.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elaine Stevens.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Honolulu, Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the show.
unidentified		Hey, how's it going?
		Okay, Elaine, I got a question for you.
		Okay.
		Is it possible through hypnotherapy to revive latent psychic powers such as levitation or some things along those lines?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a good one.
unidentified		Well, it is possible through hypnosis to revive latent intuitive abilities.
unidentified		I think that we're all intuitive, and the more we learn to use that subconscious part of our mind, the more we open that ability up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is intuitive just another word for psychic?
unidentified		Psychic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
unidentified		But I have never been able to allow or encourage someone to levitate, and that would really be fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure would.
		Caller, thank you.
		That was a very, very good question, and I've got one to follow it up.
		Elaine, before the top of the hour here, the ability to levitate psychic abilities to, you know, this business about remote viewing and all the rest of it, these kinds of powers.
		Do you believe, Elaine, that these powers are latent in us and, in fact, are becoming less with modern industrialized society or that these powers are developing now as we continue by our standards a very slow process of evolution?
		In other words, are they coming or going?
unidentified		Oh, I think they're coming.
		We live in a very technologically oriented world, and we have removed ourselves from that aspect of our being.
		And with awareness and consciousness, we can remember.
		That's another gift Of remembering a past life is you can remember skills and abilities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but why are it seems to me we're masking them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mentioned your computer.
unidentified		Oh, we do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you mentioned your computer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, when you're involved, as I am, in so much information and computers and things that are keeping your mind going, you're not in an intuitive mood.
unidentified		No, you're not.
unidentified		But that's one of the values of hypnosis is to provide ourselves, to gift ourselves with that opportunity on a daily basis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now that makes sense.
unidentified		If we do that, what happens, a direct result is, number one, our stress level goes down.
		We can handle this glut of information we swim in the sea of.
		And secondly, we remember, we begin to remember who we truly are.
		And we, I believe, are first and foremost spiritual beings.
		And we connect with that very beautiful part of ourselves by disconnecting from the technology, just briefly.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that absolutely makes sense and brings out another question.
		Stay where you are.
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unidentified		We'll be right back.
		From the Kingdom of Nye, we continue with your calls on Dreamland with Art Bell.
		Call Art now, toll-free, at 1-800-618-8255.
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		Now again, here's Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here I am, and back to Elaine Stevens in just a moment.
		And a question from St. Thomas, all the way out in the U.S. Virgin Islands.
		Let me talk to you for 3-8.
		All right, Elaine, are you there?
unidentified		I'm here.
unidentified		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From St. Thomas in the U.S. Virgins.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dear Art Bell, has your noble guest read the SPY Magazine 895 article about mind control?
unidentified		Gee, no, I'm sorry I haven't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I've not either, so I guess we can't do much with that.
		From Joe in Sutherland, Oregon.
		Hi, Art.
		Could you ask your guest two questions?
		One, are there souls which are older than other souls?
unidentified		That's, yes, there probably are.
		I don't believe that there is anyone on this planet at this time who's never been here before.
		He's a brand new soul.
		I think the vibration that we live in is too intense, and I don't think that someone who hadn't practiced being in this vibration could handle it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there are no new souls?
unidentified		I don't think so.
unidentified		Not right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not right now.
		Are our lives always linear?
		Or when we die, could we come back in the past as well as the future?
unidentified		Oh, good question.
unidentified		I'm not sure I know the answer to that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a good answer.
		Look, if you don't know the answer, I don't want you to even try, and I agree with you.
		That's a really good question.
		Have you found, through your subjects, any so-called order to how, who, and when we return to this corporeal life, and if this process is voluntary by those, quote, brought back, end quote, question mark?
unidentified		Yes, there is a process involved.
unidentified		It seems from many of the sessions I've done that the person, the soul, there is a meeting with master beings, if you will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And the lessons that need to be learned are discussed, and the person chooses the group of people they will have as family, as friends, people who will affect them deeply, and they put themselves back into a situation where all of that is possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Now I'm going to get you into trouble, I'm sure.
		Oh, good.
		From the Bible, and I don't frequently quote it, Hebrews 9 to 7, it is appointed for men to die once, but after this comes the judgment.
		It doesn't say anything about coming back again.
unidentified		Well, then we have to go to the Council of Nicaea when all reference to reincarnation was removed from the Bible because it's very difficult to control people who believe that, in fact, they are learning to perfect themselves and will come again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Back to the phones.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elaine Stevens.
		Good evening.
unidentified		Yes, hello.
unidentified		I'm calling from Austin, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I had two questions.
		First of all, how does she explain the fact that there's more people on earth today than have ever died in the history of the world?
		And second of all, what is the ultimate point?
		If we keep on coming back and back to learn certain lessons, to progress to what?
		To a form of perfection or godliness or whatever.
		This is a schoolhouse.
		I kind of view these lives that we live as an opportunity to learn.
		It's a schoolhouse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a schoolhouse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Toward the eventual goal of perfection?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now his first question.
unidentified		It's a long way from that point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the first question he gave you was a good one, and that is, there's a lot of people.
		A caller, how many?
		Five, six billion people?
unidentified		Yeah, roughly a billion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there are new people here all the time, more people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If there are no new souls, then obviously the question is, where are these souls coming from?
unidentified		Well, consider that at the moment of creation, whatever that might be, and now we're really getting out there, but there were X number of souls created.
unidentified		We have the history of the world as we know it based on what we know now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		But we don't really have the whole history of the world.
unidentified		We have little 10,000-year gaps in the history of the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, it's true.
unidentified		And so it's hard to say, oh, well, absolutely, this is concrete and it couldn't be so.
		I don't know.
		I really don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a good answer, though, and it's at least an answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Caller.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		It is an answer.
		In other words, we don't know the composition.
		There are a lot of people, Elaine, who believe that the world has had, at various times, civilizations on it, been populated to the degree we are now, or even to a greater degree, and they have literally disappeared.
unidentified		Vanished, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Vanished.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think that could be?
unidentified		It makes more sense to me than anything else.
		But obviously, we have no way of proving that.
		It's one more interesting theory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, hi, you're on the air with Elaine Stevens.
caller in west of the rockies ▲ ● ▼		Good evening, Art and Elaine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
caller in west of the rockies ▲ ● ▼		I can answer that one easy enough.
caller in west of the rockies ▲ ● ▼		I can't tell you who I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
caller in west of the rockies ▲ ● ▼		KP out of Chico, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
caller in west of the rockies ▲ ● ▼		Elaine, the way I understand or seem to equate what is going on, seem like we're in constant turmoil with ourselves.
		We have a biological birth to which we follow DNA, genetics, and we go on and we live a routine, okay, we call that family traits.
		Then on the other hand, we have what we are like discussing tonight, past lives, which we could have been from anywhere.
		And then when we live the present, the conscious, we are in turmoil and do not know.
		Things that I do have, I wish I could sidebar with you.
		I'd love to tell you who I am or have been told and where we could explore this not over the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We could do that without the court reporter, perhaps.
		Well, anyway, does all this take this lightly, Art?
		I understand.
		Sir, does this come to a point?
		Do you have a question for her?
caller in west of the rockies ▲ ● ▼		What does she feel about the idea of, like I said, the conscious versus the physical entity, and yet we're in turmoil?
		I mean, the physical entity, like I said, we live a DNA trait versus the complex and the confusion that we're subconsciously.
		See, this is where I can't put it together, how this soul comes to the surface.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you can't put it together, then we're having a hard time getting it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not clear on the question, are you, Elaine?
unidentified		No, I'm not yet.
caller in west of the rockies ▲ ● ▼		I said, this is a little more involved than just a three-minute over-the-air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'll tell you what.
		Do this.
		Elaine, he needs to write you a letter or get his thoughts together, talk to you in some other way.
		Now, obviously, you've got a book, Whispers of the Mind.
		That's a great title, by the way.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It implies, let me guess at what it implies, that these whispers in our current mind come from past or future lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that where that came from?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I sat up one night until midnight with a friend who's a writer conjuring up that title, and we hit on that and loved it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You conjured very well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'm writing a book myself, and I'm trying to think of a title, and it's no easy job.
unidentified		No, it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do they get Whispers of the Mind, or how do they get in contact with you?
unidentified		Well, Whispers of the Mind is no longer available in bookstores.
		It's been that horrible world for an author remaindered.
		So what they need to do is contact me personally.
		I have copies available.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And I can be reached at P.O. Box 477, Virginia City, Nevada, 89440.
unidentified		And my phone number, if anyone would like to call me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold it.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to let you give out your phone number, but I want you to be aware that you're giving this number to a lot of people.
unidentified		Won't that be fun?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go right ahead.
		The phone number is...
		Yes.
unidentified		322 5788.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		5788.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		702-322-5788.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're in Virginia City, Nevada.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		My office is in Reno, but I'm in Virginia City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope you like being on the phone.
unidentified		Yes, I love it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Elaine Stevens.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm calling from California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		I did, just now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
unidentified		I hope you're still on the line.
		I just dropped my phone.
		Yes.
		This is an extremely interesting evening that you're having.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I certainly can identify with a lot of things that she's talking about.
		I have been there and have been told that I'm a very old soul.
		And there are things that I know.
		I'm a teacher by profession.
		I have done an awful lot of other things by choice.
		And I have developed a very working inner life that has been more instructive because there are things I know that I have no way of knowing in my present state that I know, if you understand what I mean, in recall of facts, figures, blah, blah, blah.
		My question is, I'm an adopted person.
		Now we're going into a whole different segment of society, plus the fact of abortion.
		And so how do we reconcile the fact of her statement a while ago that we choose the environment into which we go to live?
		Well, I can say to you that being adopted has probably affected your life at deeper levels than probably any other event you've experienced.
		And I think at a soul level, you chose not to live with your natural mother or father in this incarnation.
		And you chose to do that because in the circumstances you would be placed through the adoption, those things that both they and you needed to learn could be learned.
		And furthermore, that your mother, your natural mother, who for whatever reason was not able to keep you and raise you, she too was affected at such deep, deep levels.
		And it's, to me, a further indication of the fact that there is a tremendous rhythm or rhyme or reason for the things we experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I've got another hard one for you now.
		Oh, goody.
		Yeah, I bet.
		Most of us on the planet lead fairly mundane lives.
		I mean, very few of us are President Nixon or President Clinton.
		Maybe we just learned about your politics.
		I didn't hear no God after that.
		Or, for that matter, any of them.
unidentified		I thought I better shut up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, we're not great people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're good people, most of us, but not great.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, fellas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or sometimes hypnotherapists inevitably will tell people that seems to please stuff that pleases them.
		You know, you were Peter the Great in a previous lifetime.
		And there's too much of that going on.
		It is suspicious, frankly.
		It makes me suspicious.
unidentified		Makes me irritated.
unidentified		I'm glad you're only suspicious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		Well, once again, my feeling is one of our little problems as humans is that we have wonderful egos.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And some of us love to have those egos fed, spoon-fed minute by minute.
unidentified		And if we can find someone who closes their eyes and changes their voice a bit and starts warbling about some great and wonderful thing that we once were, we're very happy to pay them a lot of money to hear that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		We just soaked that right up.
		All right, Elaine, that's a good answer to the question.
		Stay right where you are.
		We'll be right back.
		Elaine Stevens is my guest.
		Many of you healthy.
		Zero.
		Back down to Elaine Stevens.
		Are you there, Elaine?
unidentified		I'm right here with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've been really good because I've been hitting you with some really hard stuff.
unidentified		Well, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of like when your son or daughter begins asking you how high is the sky.
		These are not easy questions.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elaine Stevens.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Where are St. Louis, Missouri?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Or I think the movie might have been talking about earlier with Manchester Candidate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		That's it.
		I remember that.
		Very good movie.
		I was going to talk about this past life regression.
		I've done a couple of things in reference to that.
		You were talking about mirrors.
		I don't know if you were talking about candles, and there's a thing that you can do with a mirror next to you, and you stare at the candle.
		And you keep your eyes open for about 45 minutes.
		And in that, I started to fall asleep.
		But before I did, I saw an old Chinese man.
		I also did hypnotherapy with a man named Santosh.
		I don't know if you're familiar with him.
		And in that, I saw myself as an African chief.
		Now, the strange thing with many wives, and the strange thing about that, I went to Bombay about a year later, and I saw a man by the name of what he's called the shadow reader.
		And what he is, he's a director, Senator Bragu, who lived at the time of Krishna.
		And what he does is he measures your shadow.
		And in that, he saw that my past two lives, I was an African chief with 300 wives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you know, here we go.
		Now, see, this is a perfect example of what I was just talking about.
		An African chief.
		Not one of the tribe, but the chief with 300 wives.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, to me, this sounds more like fantasy than it does a real past life.
unidentified		Could I say one thing, though, Archie?
		I had seen this a year before when I was out in California, and I went to a man in Bombay, and I've never said anything to this man before.
		He was a Hindu.
		And he said exactly the same thing.
		That was the interesting part of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is interesting.
unidentified		And of all the past lives, who would ever even think of anything like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, you're absolutely right.
		I have one question for you about this life.
		Are you married?
unidentified		I used to be married.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Used to be married.
unidentified		One other thing you were talking about in reference to light, there's two very good books, and one man who you would be great to have a guest on, which is Carlos Castanana, which talks about which talks about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I've read him, of course.
unidentified		And if you read it, and did you read The Fire from Within?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not yet.
unidentified		You read that, and he will talk to you about seeing light and everything else.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		I've got to run.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		My point was, with that much experience with marriage, you think in this life he might not be.
		So is that not an example?
		I mean, an African chief with 300 wives.
		One other question, real quick, quick answer, too.
		A lot of people say people are given to flights of fancy.
		Fantasy when they're under hypnosis, Elaine, true or false?
unidentified		False.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not true, huh?
unidentified		Not true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really, there have been a number of books written.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, it implies that hypnotherapy is not trustworthy.
unidentified		Well, what's not trustworthy is something that comes externally.
		What is truly trustworthy is what comes from within us.
		And just as I, if I wanted to tell Tall tales, I could sit and tell them to you out of hypnosis.
		I could do the same thing in hypnosis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's certainly.
unidentified		But what would be the point, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll have to pick up on that when we come back, which we will do in just a moment.
unidentified		We'll have to pick up on that when we come back.
		This hour of Art Bell was recorded for rebroadcast at this time.
		please do not call.
		We continue now with your calls to Dreamland with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We do, and let's see.
		I guess the only number I need to get out again is our East of the Rockies number.
		It's not normally on the tapes for Dreamland.
		If you're East of the Rockies, it's 1-800-825-5033.
		1-800-825-5033.
		Our bulletin board.
		All right, Elaine, back now to Elaine Stevens.
		And Elaine, Jim in Boise, Idaho has a question.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Straight out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have we made contact with intelligent life in the year 2300?
unidentified		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		Well, with intelligent life, I presume he means from other planetary systems?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I certainly presume that, yes.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there anything at all that you can tell us about them?
unidentified		I think that they are the same beings that we have contact with in this time.
		I think that we become more receptive.
		I know that when I've guided people to past lives to places such as Atlantis or Atlantis, one regression comes to mind very clearly.
		And that was of a man who was a sculptor.
		And in that lifetime, he is a sculptor.
		Now he teaches art at a major university.
		And in that previous lifetime in Atlantis, he did a sculpture that was conducted via water throughout the city.
		And in this lifetime, he was directed at a subconscious level to do a sculpture created of crystals and that was in the air.
		And in his memory in Atlantis, there were meetings held and there were beings from many planetary systems present within those meetings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so when you said, of course, what you really meant is we've been in contact for a long time.
unidentified		Forever.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Dear Art, this is from Wally in Albuquerque.
		Please ask Elaine, and I'm going to try again on this one, too, why it is that by and large we don't have any memories of past lives in our conscious minds.
		We hear talk of reincarnating because we need more experience in one realm or another.
		Who says we need more experience in one area or another?
		And if we don't consciously remember past lives, how do we know what we're supposed to be working on?
		And I suppose your answer would be by coming to somebody like you.
unidentified		That would be a wise thing to do.
		Or getting, of course, a copy of my book, which tells you how to explore past lives.
		But consider, once again, we go to the subconscious.
		The memories are in the subconscious.
		And if we had conscious recall of all of our past lives, we would be in a terrible jumble.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, that's true, Elaine.
		But again, I say, we discussed it earlier in the program.
		You know, you said it can't be like throwing a switch off.
		You know, you die, boom, that's it.
		Blackness.
		But in a way, it is.
		You may survive in the sense that you live on in others' minds who are living.
		You have offspring.
		They survive you.
		And it may be that your soul contributes to your next life in some esoteric way.
		But you're not conscious as I understand consciousness right now.
		You and I are sitting here talking.
		We're conscious.
		We know what's going on around us.
		In that sense, in the next life, you're telling me, on the one hand, we are conscious, but on the other, we're not.
unidentified		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which is it?
unidentified		Tapwaden, Tafwan, pushing me to the wall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I think that consciousness can mean many things, and I have consciousness of a conscious memory of many, many past lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but you've dug them.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		And I've done so because it's helpful to me in the present.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		Would you advise the average person who's having an average life, and they're okay, no horrible habits or anything, nothing really wrong.
		Is there any reason for them to go rummaging back into past lives?
unidentified		Well, I think so because if we're just having an ordinary life, as you say, and we're just sort of rocking along, I personally would like to know that there is more to me than the fact that I went to the grocery store this afternoon and got food for the barbecue and that I did all these mundane things.
		I hope to think that there are dimensions to me that I need to explore and I need to expand my creative abilities and I need to expand my mind in as many ways as I can.
		We get kind of locked into that mundane stuff and that's dangerous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elaine Stevens.
		Good evening.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		We must have some sort of conscious link going on here right now because I want to touch on or make a comment directed to your guest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, where are you, Bob?
unidentified		Poto, Oklahoma.
		And it was somewhat what you just touched on concerning reincarnation.
		It has been said that we are remnants From the very first man, and it is consistent throughout the Bible, which I don't want to really bring that up too much, but that there are things passed down from generation to generation to generation, good and bad.
		Now, in the subconscious level, which I believe exists, I could or anybody can tap into any past life from anybody.
		I don't get it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't get it either.
unidentified		Meaning that if things, from the very first, if we descended from one being, and that is passed down and passed down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, like a giant tree.
unidentified		Now, the thing that I want to make, you know, are we reincarnating memories?
unidentified		And I believe, personally, I believe that we have to be very careful in that area because we might bring something back into this life we might not want to deal with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good point.
		Thank you.
		From Oklahoma.
		Elaine, is it possible that a past life, a past incarnation, could virtually possess, is there that danger that are you sure when you open doors, you never know what's going to walk through?
unidentified		Absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		This is one of the sort of little sore points with me because people, we approach any new knowledge with a certain amount of trepidation or fear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And if we will just remember that knowledge erases fear, how could our mind, if you broke your arm a month ago, you would not be able to recreate with your mind the pain that you experienced at the moment of the break?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's, I did break my arm some of it.
		Oh, dear.
		Many years ago.
		But you really are correct.
		I remember, of course, the occasion and pain, but I cannot.
unidentified		You can't recreate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's true.
unidentified		Because your mind is designed to protect you.
		And the same thing holds true.
		I can't go rummaging in your mind, nor can you, and discover things that would be hurtful to you now.
		Your mind is designed.
		It is designed by something far beyond what we can even conceive of to protect us and to support us and to help us.
		And the minute we set up this, oh, what if I remember I'm Attila the Hun or what if I remember these horrible things?
		Of course, you know, I don't want to recreate for you the pain in your arm, and I couldn't do that.
		I couldn't do that as a hypnotist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, though, it's interesting.
		I've seen hypnotherapists depicted on television, and maybe they do a bad job on hypnotherapists just the way they do on so many other things, but they do make people recreate that moment and feel it just as if they were there once again.
		What do you say to that?
unidentified		I say that, yes, a lot of people go into explore a past life and they find themselves very emotionally moved and they find themselves weeping and re-experiencing something at a deep emotional level.
unidentified		But once again, here's our fear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about Elaine took me back to that moment when I crashed in my hang glider, which is how I did it, and the big arm came down about two inches above my elbow and broke my arm, but good, compound fracture.
		Ooh.
		Ooh, is right.
		So if Elaine took me back to that moment and I relived that experience, would I relive that pain?
		No.
unidentified		No.
unidentified		Your mind, just, you can't sit here now and take, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I try to.
unidentified		But even at a subconscious level, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, okay.
		That's a good answer.
		First-time caller line, you're on the air with Elaine Stevens.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Bonnie in Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hi, Bonnie.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where in Alaska are you?
unidentified		First off, I'm a person who's been through past life regression and have verified one lifetime.
		Okay, good.
		And I'm curious as to how unusual that is.
		Is there like a percentage of people that you have worked with that have experienced that?
		It's very unusual, Bonnie, because what happens is we connect to the past life generally at an emotional level as opposed to, as I said, a historical data level.
		But I have had a number of people who've been able to do that.
		After I, as I said earlier in the show, after I got through going to the library, I had enough cases authenticated to my, to resolve the problem for me.
		Are they making this stuff up?
		And the answer was no.
		I did enough research to prove that.
		And I no longer go to the library because it's no longer, that's not the issue.
		That's not why people explore past lives.
		But it's kind of wonderful for you.
		That was exciting.
		Sure, it was for real.
		Yeah, and I was able to verify this one.
		But I had one more quick question.
		I am one of those people who can be dropped down into the subnambulistic state.
		And I have a theory to ask you.
		I had one lifetime I experienced that was Japanese.
		Is it true?
		Is it possible, this is my own theory, that if I could go back and go through that lifetime in a subnambulistic state, that I should be able to speak fluent Japanese without her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, she would be able to?
unidentified		Probably.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from in Alaska?
unidentified		Wasilla, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wasilla, Alaska.
		That's a very, very good question.
		Have you ever observed that ability?
unidentified		Yes, I've had people lapse into German was the language that my client lapsed into.
		And I would repeatedly throughout the session needed to say to him, Please speak in English.
		I do not understand German.
		And he would revert back to English.
		Wow.
		And then, as he got involved emotionally in what was happening again, he would begin speaking German.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, I consider that to be, you could do enough research to know the person couldn't speak German.
		And I'm telling you, I suddenly started hearing German.
		The hairs on the back of my neck would go straight out.
unidentified		They did.
		They did.
		The hairs on the back of my neck stood straight out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elaine Stevens.
		Hi.
		I can barely hear you.
unidentified		Okay, can you hear me better now?
unidentified		A little.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Oklahoma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oklahoma.
		Okay.
		What's your question, huh?
unidentified		What is your guest, what are his beliefs about abortion?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Quickly, Elaine, about abortion, yeah, what happens to a soul that is pregnancy is terminated.
		When does life begin, in other words, let's begin there, all right?
unidentified		Tefwin again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is the soul with a child at the moment of conception?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that your belief?
unidentified		I believe that a soul has connected and decided to be born through that woman into that family.
		I do not believe that that soul is in that body.
		I think they dance in and out, you know, and connect probably at the moment of birth or very shortly thereafter.
		I don't want to get into the whole issue of abortion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I appreciate the straightforward answer.
		And on that, we disagree.
		Elaine, hold on just a moment.
		Write back to you.

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