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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Open Lines. Bob Dole's Attacks on Hollywood

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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast A.M. from June 1st, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great Americans of West, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be and welcome to yet another edition of Coast to Coast A.M. and Beyond.
		Actually from way beyond borders, it's good you're all here.
		I'm happy to be here.
		And I guess I'll say it for the rest of this week.
		It's nice to be back on U.S. soil once again.
		Market to help.
		Yes, this is Coast to Coast AM live radio from the night time on the CBC radio network.
		The largest, fastest growing nighttime of all night radio programs in America.
		Sounded with dumbness.
		Anyway, welcome.
		Lots of news to talk about.
		Bob Noel Goes to Hollywood.
		Bob Noel blasts Hollywood.
		CBS said sex, drugs, rock, and gold.
		Bob Noel really came in after him.
		In fact, Hollywood, their producers, the grips, the movies, the values, the record industry.
		He came after the entertainment medium generally.
		He says he sees it as graphic and gratuitous violence.
		He said the entertainment industry is debasing the culture with indecent movies and deviant music.
		He said, quote, a line has been crossed, not just of taste, but of human dignity and decency when Hollywood's dream factories begin turning out nightmares of depravity.
		End quote.
		He named names.
		He talked about the movie Natural Born Killers, which he cited for its violent content.
		True Romance, which he cited for its sexually explicit scenes.
		I haven't seen that one yet, now I want to.
		He also came at Time Warner for Two Live Crew, which has a lot of very rough music, without question.
		To Time Warner, he said the following, quote, I would ask the executives of Time Warner a question.
		Must you debase our nation and threaten our children for the sake of corporate profits?
		End quote, the question.
		So that's pretty rough stuff.
		And I guess point one is, is it fair criticism?
		Now, Bob Dole has never had word one to say about Hollywood before.
		This is new for Bob Dole, but you know, whenever you see Bob Dole, as I've said many times in the past, if you look very carefully, you know, they don't do close-ups these days, but when they do a close-up of Bob Dole, you can actually see little tiny white houses with the pillars and everything sort of shimmering in each one of his eyes.
		So it's a natural question to ask whether, since he's not come out with this kind of a blast against Hollywood before, whether this is a political tip-o-de hat to the religious right.
		In other words, is it just political?
		And where does it lead?
		I mean, do you want, what do people want, censorship or what?
		Now, interestingly, I've seen Natural Born Killers.
		And I think I said this over the last couple of nights because there were indications he was going to name this movie, and he has.
		And I think it's a very poor example.
		There's a lot of violence in Natural Born Killers.
		Ooh, it's a very violent movie.
		But it's violent with, in other words, it had, I thought, great production value.
		It was violent in the genre of clockwork orange.
		That kind of a presentation.
		There was talent involved in the way that the story was woven.
		And I don't think it was a good example.
		I mean, I've seen a lot of movies with gratuitous violence that I would have listed before Natural Born Killers.
		Now, Natural Born Killer sounds good because it's got a title, sounds like it's just nothing but violence.
		Norman Lear said the following.
		Hollywood, in its presentation of violence, and this is really, I guess I should preface this statement.
		Dan rather read it.
		But it's a pretty good blast back at Dole.
		And so while I ask you whether Dole's statement is fair and right, I want to ask you to respond to the one that Norman Lear now makes, too.
		Norman Lear said, quote, Hollywood, in its presentation of violence and sex, has no more to answer for it than the Congress of the United States.
		The name of the game in the entertainment business is short-term profit.
		This is exactly what Congress is all about.
		How you can get elected in the short term and every other value be damned.
		End quote.
		Now, do you agree more with the Bob Dole statement or the Norman Lear statement, or both?
unidentified		Do both have value?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or do both of them lack value and scream politics?
		You decide.
		And here from the Governor of California, Governor Wilson, I've got a very unusually, I don't usually do sound bites.
		But as you know, Governor Wilson yesterday ended in California affirmative action, and here's what he said.
		Governor Wilson: All I've got to say is, boy, a few more sound bites like that, and I might have to vote for the guy myself.
unidentified		it was impressive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I shake up the board ops out there.
		With the stroke of a pen and with the stroke of the angry white male voter, Pete Wilson, California's governor, outlawed all California state affirmative action programs, actually only affecting at most really a few hundred state jobs.
		He also endorsed the California Civil Rights Initiative, expected to be on the 96 ballot.
		Big question is whether this kind of action on the governor's part will get him on the 96 ballot, and I think not.
		I think not.
		I would not describe Pete Wilson as my guy.
		He's just, he's for too many things that I am not for.
		Gun control is right at the top of the list.
		He's pro abortion.
		he breaks promises he's uh...
		just on a lot of things that uh...
		The situation is worsening.
		Just one day after our president seemed underlined the word seen to change his mind and prepare the way for U.S. ground troops to enter Bosnia, the Serbs have now responded by promising a bloodbath if U.S. troops show up in any form, and that means even a rescue operation.
		The leader of the Bosnian Serbs now describes the 370 U.N. hostages, some chained to targets, as prisoners of war, POWs, and says if we try to rescue them, there's going to be a bloodbath.
		Now, our military is beginning this weekend live ammunition practice in Germany for exactly the kind of operation the Serbs promise will turn into a bloodbath.
		Some countries are now trying to free their hostages independently of the UN.
		In other words, they're bargaining.
		Probably France.
		France always does that.
		They'll even pay to get them out.
		In fact, 2,000 troops are training for the operation now in Germany.
		2,000 troops are offshore.
		Former Secretary of State James Baker said, quote, I think that we're just about to embark on a very, very slippery slope without having given sufficient full consideration to the possible consequences, end quote.
		Boy, do I agree with that?
		CBS ended up by saying, our troops, our troops, if they do go in, will not go in as peacekeepers, but full combat soldiers ready to take on anyone who gets in their way.
		Now, let me read you what Reuters this last hour said.
		The leader of the Bosnian Serbs has delivered a stern warning to the international community.
		He says any military effort by the United States or any other world power to free hundreds of UN hostages being held by the Serbs would result in, quote, slaughter, end quote.
		The Bosnian Serbs are holding some 370 UN personnel as human shields to ward off further NATO airstrikes.
		His warnings came as Serb shellfire rocked the eastern Bosnian Muslim enclave of Gorazhda.
		So, there you have it.
		That's where the situation in Bosnia stands this morning, not in a good place.
		The president in Montana, this evening, actually, seemed to be turning around again and saying, no, no, no, no, no, we're not going to put U.S. troops on the ground.
		There'd be a lot of people killed.
		I'm losing complete track of what this president is saying and what he's doing, and I think that's because he doesn't have any idea what he's saying and doing from day to day.
		It changes.
		So I just, I have no idea what this man is about.
		All I can say is we've got to get him the hell out of the White House in 96, and I wish it could be earlier.
		The OJ trial, I've not mentioned that in a few days, but I mention it now because it's about to get interesting.
		Now, I've got a late report.
		Somebody, in fact, said, KNBC, down in Los Angeles, is reporting tonight that three of the remaining four alternate OJ jurors are under investigation, may be removed as early as tomorrow.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If this trial ends in a mistrial because the jury pool becomes less than 12, would the next trial be ruled by the same judge, or would a different judge be appointed?
		That's Linda in Mettery, Louisiana.
		And indeed, we know that at least two, maybe even three jurors may be soon out or are at least being investigated.
		The boring but crucial DNA portion of the trial is now over.
		The next witness is going to be a really weird character, this Los Angeles County coroner.
		You may have seen him in the pretrial hearings.
		He's a weird character.
		The allegation was that he was so angry after the pretrial hearings, he went back to the coroner's office and pulled a gun out and said something about dispatching some of OJ's attorneys or something.
		That's the allegation.
		That guy.
		So he'll be next on the stand, and during his testimony, the jury will no doubt see what the judge called horrible graphic pictures of the victims at the scene.
		I have no problem with that, by the way.
		Seems to me reasonable they see the truth.
		Now, the O.J. trial, they say, is not your average trial.
		The average murder trial in Los Angeles takes about two weeks.
		Two weeks.
		Simpson trial is not normal.
		It's abbey normal.
		They've spent $3 million thus far.
		And the worst part of it is, it may all have to happen again.
		Now, in fact, it's looking more and more that way, as though there's going to be a mistrial.
		If there is a mistrial, and O.J. Simpson has to be retried, heaven help us all, do you think that Judge Ito should be the judge?
		Or should they seek a new judge?
unidentified		Should he even be retried?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Depends, I guess, on how it comes down.
unidentified		The End.
		End.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When I was in the Orient, it was in the airport, I believe at Tokyo, yes, in Tokyo.
		I met a lady who had a little bitty baby that, and she was on her way home.
		She had been in Ho Chi Minh City, or Saigon, your preference, for a couple of months, a lot longer than she had anticipated being there.
		But she had this little baby, this little Vietnamese baby, and she had just adopted it, and she was as proud as could be and, you know, on her way back to the States with us.
		And I didn't say anything, of course, but I thought at the time, now, why is this woman coming all the way to Ho Chi Minh City to adopt a child when there are so many American children that need adoption?
		But if you saw 48 Hours or you saw the CBS report yesterday, maybe that's the answer why.
		You see, American courts now, for whatever reason, have begun to take children away from parents who have adopted them years after the adoption because the regular genetic parents have come back and gone to court.
		And so we hear about baby Richard and baby so-and-so and baby so-and-so, and the stories go on and on because the courts wrench these children away from the parents that have adopted them and give them back to the natural parents.
		And so you know what?
		Now I understand why that lady was sitting in the Tokyo airport with that Vietnamese child.
		And I think it's wrong.
		I think once an adoption has taken place, it is an adoption.
		And once a child is with parents for years, those are the parents.
		And so I don't blame that lady who was on her way back from Ho Chi Minh City with this child.
		I thought you might have some comments on that.
		It all kind of fell into place for me when I saw the reports last night on CBS about the courts coming back and taking these children away.
		I'll tell you something.
		I'm the kind of guy to be sitting there with a shotgun loaded and ready for bear.
		I mean, you know, you have a child for years and they come and try to take that child away.
		You'd best not get in my way.
		That'd be my attitude, anyway.
		T-Rex, Tryanosaurus Rex.
		Oh, no.
		All of our mental images were wrong.
		T-Rex, the big meat eater, the guy who stood on two legs, 30, 40 feet into the air, something like that?
		The guy who stood on two legs.
		Wrong.
		The American Museum of Natural History in New York has, you know, bones there.
		You know, they've showed for years T-Rex standing up on two legs wrong.
		You know how they figured out that's wrong?
		Because they've got lots of footsteps from T-Rex, but no tail dragging behind.
		And see, if T-Rex was up on two feet, then the tail dragged behind, right?
		But there are no tail tracks.
		So they said, we've been wrong all these times, so they've redone it.
		Put all the bones back together a different way.
		Now, T-Rex stands maybe seven feet tall.
		Still a very awesome animal.
		Still, human beings would be, they said, bite-sized for T-Rex.
		But he'd become an Achu at the size of a big basketball player or something, about seven feet.
		I don't know if basketball players get to be seven feet, but something like that.
		Close anyway.
		Somebody sent me a fax worthy of a question.
		Equilibrium analysis, he calls himself in Southern California.
		Are the person asking the difficult questions was indeed asking the correct questions.
		This was a phone call the other day.
		In answer to the question of, and I'm going to let this one hang in the air, are we players in the quickening or are we being played?
		God, that's a good question.
		I couldn't answer it.
		The guy called me and I had no answer.
		But the more I thought about it, the more I thought, what a great question.
		Are we, in fact, you might put it this way, are we the architects of the quickening?
		And I think most of us agree there is a quickening.
		Are we the architects?
		Or are we the players?
		Is it something that's just occurring by the hand of God or natural course of events?
		And we're just sort of walking along with it here?
		Or are we the architects of it?
		I really don't have the answer to that, but some of you might want to try.
		Now, I've had a million requests to read the Pope's predictions.
		And here's what I'm going to do.
		I'm going to tell you all right now.
		I will read them.
		This will be the last time I'm going to read the Pope's predictions To the year 2000.
		I'm doing it because of the imminent date of June 5th.
	I will read them after 1 a.m. Pacific Time or a little better than an hour and a half.
	A little better than an hour and a half from now.
	I will do that so the latter stations joining the network at 1 o'clock will have an opportunity to hear it.
	Then I won't get calls all night saying, well, I missed it.
	Couldn't you read it again?
	So I'm serving notice now that I will read them after 1 a.m. in the morning.
	The Pope's predictions to the year 2000 containing a very close end date now, June.
	What is today?
unidentified		Anyway, let me know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the 1st?
		Yeah, it is the 1st.
		And after midnight, the 2nd.
		So we're close.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, everybody.
unidentified		Good to be here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great to be here.
		It's a nice, clear, beautiful night in the high desert of Nevada.
		And I think we're ready.
		Let me, well, I guess I better.
		Let me give the official version of the phone numbers.
		I don't do this frequently enough, and I at least need to do it at the beginning of the program.
		Write them down.
		And remember that we don't screen calls.
		We don't do that.
		We just pick up the next call.
		It's kind of scary, but it's fun.
		It's, you know, live, real live radio, kind of like the way television used to be back when it was fun.
		So that's the way we do it.
		Keep ringing till we answer.
		If the phone company disconnects you, curse them and their relatives forever.
		And then pick up the telephone.
		Boy, that was abrupt.
		And then pick up the telephone and try again.
		Just remember, when you put a curse on the phone company, try to eliminate art Belle.
		I mean, if you mentioned Belle, try to leave the art part out.
		East of the Rockies, the number is 1-800-825-5033.
		1-800-825-5033, anywhere out east of the Rockies.
		All right.
		Here we go.
		A plunge into the unknown.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		See?
unidentified		Hello, aren't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you are there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Yes, I'm here.
unidentified		Listen, I'm calling you from Alaska, and our cable is down, and we're on the satellite, so there's going to be a little delay between my talking and your talking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's all right.
		I can bear with it.
		As long as we know there is that delay, then there won't be a problem.
unidentified		Okay, one reason I called tonight, Art, I wanted to see if I could get a number where I could call.
unidentified		I wanted to get the map that Gordon Michael Scallion was talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, that would have to come directly from Gordon Michael Scallion, and I would have an awful lot of paperwork that I'd have to go through here to be able to find it for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So all I can do is promise I'll try and find it and get that on the air for you.
unidentified		That'd be great.
unidentified		All right, thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you very much for the call, sir.
		Actually, you know, I would think that the satellite delivery would be the one that would provide the least delay.
		Maybe not.
		Maybe it's the other way around.
		I don't know anymore.
		I know that when we talk very, very long distances, there is a delay.
		And unless you're used to doing it, it can be very confusing because everybody starts talking over everybody else.
		It can be done.
		You just have to be aware of the delay and account for it.
		East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		Libertarian Nationalist Aurora, Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		How'd your vacation go, my friend?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was wonderful.
unidentified		Well, that's great.
unidentified		I'm glad you're back safe and sound after venturing into ChiCom land.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sure did.
unidentified		Yeah, it must have been pretty interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, I've got now most of the, in fact, all of the photographs back.
		I have to scan a few more, and probably tomorrow I'm going to be uploading them.
		So the photographs from the trip are about to be available.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, Art, you posed a question.
		Did Bob Dole say what he said about Hollywood in order to pander to the religious right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		And I think he did.
unidentified		I think everything the man does is politically inspired.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Me too.
unidentified		And, you know, I have immense respect for his service during World War II.
		But this is no longer the same man.
		I think somebody laid one of those pods from Invasion of the Body Snatchers next to him when he was sleeping one night, and he was replicated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I really hate to say it, but I think the Republican Party, if it nominates Bob Dole, is making a tragic mistake and a big move toward putting Bill Clinton back in for four more absolutely unbearable years.
unidentified		You're right on the money, Art.
		You know, you and I agree on some things, disagree on others.
		My ideology is pretty much in line with Chuck Carter's, but one thing we absolutely agree on, Slick Willie has got to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, at least there's some common ground.
unidentified		You've got, buddy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Thank you very much.
		In your case, I imagine you would think that a black helicopter possibly might take him away instead of the voters.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, I just want to say I agree with the last caller there.
		I think Bob Dole is definitely pandering to the right.
		And specifically, I'm wondering why he didn't mention Die Hard 3 or say Married with Children or Millrose plays or anything having to do with, what's his name?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I like Married with Children.
unidentified		Yeah, but yeah, I know I'm saying, but could it have something to do with the fact that all of those are in one way or another connected to our good friend Rupert Murdoch?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hadn't thought of that aspect of it.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, you know, I'll look at Arnold Schwarzenegger movies and, you know, anything, you know, it's all the same thing.
unidentified		I mean, come on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, are you...
		Would you classify...
		I want to hear from somebody actually in the religious right.
		Would that be you?
unidentified		No, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder what they would have to say.
		I mean, obviously, his words were designed to please them.
		I just wonder if people on the religious right, and I've got plenty of listeners in that category, saw through what he said and see it as a political statement, not necessarily a statement of real belief.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, I don't think they could be that stupid, basically.
		You know what I'm saying?
		Because if he were really generally concerned, he'd be blasting all of them, you know, not just the ones that are coming from the so-called liberals like Oliver Stone and all that, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you hear Norman Lear's statement?
unidentified		Yeah, I didn't quite get what he was saying, though, but I...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See if you absorb this.
		Hollywood, in its presentation of violence and sex, has no more to answer for than the Congress of the United States.
		The name of the game in the entertainment business is short-term profit.
		This is exactly what Congress is all about.
		How you can get elected in the short term and every other value be damned.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		Yeah, I think it makes a lot of sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I thought so too.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Well, thanks a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call, sir.
		I really thought both statements, I mean, look, in a sense, I've complained about television as well.
		To me, it's television.
		I worry a lot more about television, and specifically, I'm referring to programs that are on during the hours that children, you know, so many latchkey kids, they come home at, what, 2.30, 3 o'clock, whenever.
		The television goes on.
		And whatever's there is there.
		Now, if we want to do something about this, it seems to me, number one, we delineate between adults and children.
		I watched Natural Born Killers.
		Besides having production values, it did not for one second cause me to want to go out and kill a bunch of people.
		Not even for a second.
		But I am an adult with a mind, such as it is, formed already.
		And I can accept and assimilate this material and properly classify it.
		I've always been of the view that children are not necessarily in that category.
		And I know it sounds Hitler-esque to many, but I would have no problem with a regulation that from certain hours to certain hours there not be gratuitous violence and sex on TV.
		Movies are a different thing.
		They've got ratings.
		Parents ought to be out there controlling their children, whether or not they go to an RNX-rated movie, whatever.
		That's the job for parents, and there are ratings that allow that job to be done.
		So I'm not going to blame Hollywood there, nor do I think that most adults are influenced one way or the other by movies with violence or sex.
		I think the violence is probably a lot more serious than the sex.
		But I just really, I think Bob Dole's statement was political.
		That's all it was political.
		And I'll bet you that the people on the religious right that comment this morning, and we're going to get them, I would just, if I had to lay my money, I'd say that they too, even though they obviously will no doubt agree with most of what he said, can see why he did it.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		I'm calling from Leashlo, Missouri, listening to KCMO Radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the big KCMO, Kansas City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		By the way, I think with Bruce Willis and Die Hard 3, Bruce is a conservative, so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I haven't seen Die Hard 3 yet.
unidentified		I've heard a lot of good things about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The first two Die Hards were great movies.
unidentified		Yeah, I never saw them.
unidentified		But I just, I think it was about a year ago I saw Bruce Willis on Entertainment Tonight, Bad Mouthing Clinton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, you know, the Die Hard movies also, they were not gratuitous violence.
		Granted, there was a lot of really cool explosions and stuff, but it was not just gratuitous.
		In other words, there was a serious, dramatic presentation of a story.
		Right?
unidentified		I've never seen neither movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, gratuitous violence generally means violence simply for the sake of it.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, just blatantly show the gore.
		Yeah.
		But as far as what mediums to attack, though, and by the way, I hope Bob Dole doesn't stick with this too far, because that's sort of what did in Bush at the Republican Convention in 92.
		Pandering a little bit too much to the far right letting Pat Robertson take the podium at the convention.
		But as far as what mediums to attack, though, it seems like they always go after network TV.
		You know, ABC and all them are now putting up their violence disclaimers when it's more cable TV.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but who cares about disclaimers?
		They just cause more people to watch it anyway.
		Network TV is different than movies, and the reason it's different is because it's delivered into your home free of charge.
		Not like a cable channel that's scrambled that you've got to pay for an order.
unidentified		Well, yeah, but when the kid comes home from school, though, it's not the same as paying five bucks to see a movie.
unidentified		He just turns on the TV.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
unidentified		I think if anything, the media should be attacking cable TV rather than going after network television.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you.
		I disagree.
		Again, cable is something that you've got to specifically order and pay for, and the really rough stuff is on pay-per-view, and you've got to specifically order that.
		Look, I really do delineate between an adult and a child.
		A child's mind is not yet formed.
		When it comes to children, I begin to bend, and I say, look, let's not fill up their little heads with all of this.
		There's no reason to do that during certain hours.
		We can just keep it off the television set.
		If adults want violence or sex as entertainment, God knows there's enough of it out there.
		God does know, by the way.
		There's enough of it out there.
		You can go rent it.
		Whatever.
		Married with children.
		Interesting case.
		A lot of people think of it as extremely anti-family, anti-moral, anti-everything that is American.
		But, you know, it is not presented as a serious presentation of any sort of American value.
		It is presented as a comedy.
		And I might add, it's incredibly funny.
		I really love that show.
		It's one of my favorite shows, Married With Children.
		But I'm able to assimilate it and laugh at it, and not for one second do I begin to emulate it or consider that it is any sort of serious presentation or anything else.
		It's just a comedy.
		An irreverent comedy.
		Kind of in the spirit of and an extension of Archie Bunker.
		I think it's a riot.
		I mean, some of the funniest programs I've ever seen comedies are married with children.
		I know a lot of people think it's absolutely disgusting.
		I don't.
		I think it's funny.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Is this perump?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perump, yes.
unidentified		Perump, pump, pump.
unidentified		Okay, may I ask you a few questions, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many do you have in mind?
unidentified		Two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two will be okay.
unidentified		Okay, first of all, I'm calling from the westernmost state of the union, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir?
unidentified		This is the anarchist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, sir.
unidentified		Now, may I ask you, you used to have a caller purporting to be a neo-Nazi, and he used the name that started with a P. What is that name?
		What was that name?
		Do you remember?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now that you've asked me, it blew right out of my head.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, I know who you're talking about.
unidentified		You also have a caller called Charlie from the Liberal from California?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		He calls other stations, and he uses a name that starts with an E. What is that name?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Eric.
unidentified		Okay.
		Yeah, when you went into mainland China, what did you do with Arbor?
		Where's our bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where's Arbel?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's up now in Beijing being held.
unidentified		Who are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if I told you that, there'd be no mystery at all, would there?
unidentified		How about Pablo?
unidentified		Why don't you ask Pablo?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's Pablo.
		That's it.
		Pablo.
unidentified		Yeah, that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's Pablo.
unidentified		Where's Arbel?
unidentified		I want Arbill back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's in Beijing.
unidentified		But he is.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not too much.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, Joe in Wichita Falls, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Joe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		I guess I'm one of those right-wing religious wackos.
		Oh, good.
		And there's nothing that I think Bob Dole can say that would bring us aboard.
		I believe that Pat Buchanan's probably our man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would think so.
unidentified		And as far as...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's something about when Pat Buchanan says it, somehow you know he means it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When Bob Dole says it, all you see are the little white houses getting a little brighter.
unidentified		Oh, yes, and George Bush got fired because of knowing about the taxes thing, not because of pandering to the religious right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		that's a local process right uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		met mainly for One, his broken tax promise, and two, his absolutely ineffective, ridiculous, looking like he meant to lose campaign.
unidentified		Well, if you don't try, he didn't try.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's true.
unidentified		Because I think he figured that it was a lost cause from the beginning because the people that voted in the primary for Pat weren't going to vote for him in the general, period.
unidentified		They were going to parole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		I believe that's right.
		All right, sir.
		Thank you.
		Though again, all the surveys show that if you took the parole vote, such as it was, and split it, it would have about evenly gone to Bush and Clinton.
		Now, that's a fact, and that's a result of a lot of surveys.
		So it may well have been that Clinton would have won anyway.
		I'm sorry, but the more I think about it, the more I think that Bob Dole is not the man to beat Bill Clinton.
		And if he is the nominee, we're in trouble.
		We're really in trouble.
		Maybe in the end, I'll change.
		And if it's the only choice, I'm sure I'll get behind Bob Dole versus Bill Clinton if those are the only choices.
		But I won't be a happy camper.
unidentified		The End.
unidentified		The End.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
		No, you're not.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Ert.
unidentified		This is Robert up in Portland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Robert.
unidentified		Oh, I remember.
unidentified		I read at least Isaac Aswald's Science Fact little magazine type booklet thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's actually science.
		Science fiction.
		He needs science fiction.
unidentified		It's science fact.
unidentified		There was one that was science fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		That he was majorly involved in.
		And that's why his name was on the cover.
		I see.
		Because he's written several nonfiction science books and whatnot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he's a PhD.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And in one of them, in the very back, there was a graph that he had found that a guy had plotted out.
unidentified		This goes to the quickening sort of, that in all business troughs, major wars had occurred.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, In all business what?
unidentified		In major business troughs, like recessions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, down cycles, yes.
unidentified		Down cycles, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		War is more likely, surely, yes.
unidentified		Civil War, the Revolutionary War, World War I, and World War II all happened in recessionary periods.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in that case, the market was up 86 points a day before yesterday and another six or seven points yesterday, so I guess we're okay for the moment, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, he predicted the next one for about 2005.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thank you very much for the call.
		I don't know how you can refer to what appear to be prognostications as science fact, but okay.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Bob.
		Eagle River, Alaska.
		Hi, Bob.
		Yeah, I guess I'll start out with Bob Dole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, what about Bob Dole?
unidentified		Well, I'm pretty far right and I'm pretty religious, but he hasn't proved me anything.
unidentified		As far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't vote for him, even if it was only him and Clinton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even if he blasts movies like Natural Born Killers and that kind of thing, that doesn't attract you.
unidentified		Not a bit.
		Not a bit.
		That's just, I think it's all politics.
		That's like President Clinton blasting talk radio.
		That was just to make points with somebody.
		But all in the same thing, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trying to nose up a little to Gordon Liddy, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, maybe.
		That Gordon Lilly sure likes.
		But I'd like to say something about Bosnia, if I could.
		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, real quick, because we're almost out of time here.
unidentified		Okay.
		I just think President Clinton, he needs to learn that he can't delegate responsibility.
		He can delegate authority, but not responsibility.
		He's trying to say that we're not going to send ground troops, but if NATO has, then we'll send ground troops and put him in harm's way.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you're right.
		One day it's one thing.
		One day it's another.
		This is a man who will say anything on any given day.
		I've actually given up trying to figure out what it is he really needs.
		We need a new president.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Summer in Time.
		The night featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 1st, 1995.
		The night featuring a replay of Coast AM from June
		The night featuring a replay of Coast AM from June 1st, 1995.
		1st, 1995.
		Radio Networks presents ourselves somewhere in time.
		Tonight's programmer returned June 1st, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here again, I am at an open line session.
		Anything you want to bring up is fair game talking a lot about Bob Dole's statement yesterday and whether he really meant it, whether it came from the heart or the White House reflecting eyeballs.
		Here's a facts on the subject.
		Art, Bob Dole could be committing political suicide by keeping this anti-Hollywood thing up.
		It's quite obvious that he has not seen natural-born killers, and if he did, he'd see the message is about how we, the public, tend to glorify the OJs, the Tonya Hardings, and the Loretta Bobbitts, and how we tend to become obsessed with the real-life details of their crimes.
		If Bob Dole wants to be president, he needs to focus on the issues which are on the people's minds.
		It certainly isn't government regulation of what Hollywood puts on the screen.
		It's crime, the economy, and welfare reform.
		People who want Hollywood and television productions regulated to me are lazy parents.
		They simply want to be able to drop their kid off at a theater, and they want to drop their kid in front of the boob tube and be done with it.
		Why don't they try parenting?
		I do it.
		I enjoy it.
		Bob needs to do the right thing.
		Stick to the real issues and don't play to the religious right, which Pat Buchanan seems to have a happy home with, signed Eric from Grant's past.
		That was well written, Eric, and I think right to the point.
		I want to now repeat that we're going to be reading the Pope's predictions to the year 2000 because of the very now close date of June 5th mentioned in them.
		And I will do it only once.
		I will do it next hour when we have the final radio stations for the evening joining us.
		We'll do it in the next hour.
		And that way I won't have people calling back and saying, oh, I missed it.
		You're going to have to read it again, which I inevitably do.
		So get ready for that next hour.
		On the wildcard line, you are on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		Jerry from Minneapolis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Jerry.
unidentified		Hi.
		Real quickly, Eric is right on principle, but wrong on tactics.
		The religious right are the balance of power.
		They're the swing vote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that may well be true for the right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, uh-huh.
unidentified		Real quickly, first off, does your cartoonist friend in, I believe it's Phoenix, have the bubble with cop killer, pulp fiction, and natural-born killers inside of it leading over to the gunman who is probably young and a juvenile in the street and killing people?
unidentified		Much like you were blamed along with our talk radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was going to say you could do a cartoon like that and just put a little extension, a little lightning bolt, my name there again.
unidentified		Well, let's have a little consistency here.
unidentified		The First Amendment, either it's an absolute right with responsibility implied or politically correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's a very well-made point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, very well-made.
unidentified		Also, one more thing, Art.
		It was a little over a year ago, probably almost two years ago now, that Janet Reno was calling for specific laws and censorship against these same Hollywood types.
		Bob Dole is only suggesting to act responsibly.
		I'm not a defender of Bob Dole, but he was asking on a voluntary basis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's true.
		I know.
		No, all of that is true.
		I think the question is More whether this is something that Bob Dole really feels as an issue, something important to him, or just something he thinks he needs to say.
unidentified		Oh, he's a classic tactical politician.
		I don't have much, I'm not too impressed by him, but I'm just marveling at the delicious irony of listening to the liberals talking today about how he has no right to say this.
		And how can they defend what's going on in Hollywood?
		And yet, Janet Reno, they never gnashed their teeth two years ago when she was speaking up asking for laws.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you, all right, thank you.
		I'll tell you what CBS said.
		They observed that this may be difficult for President Clinton because a lot of money and a lot of support, of course, come from Hollywood to the president.
		And if the right makes Hollywood a big issue, it may be that Mr. Clinton will have to sort of sidle away from his close Hollywood connections.
		CBS seemed to be nearly bemoaning that possibility.
		Nevertheless, and I want to be fair, what Bob Dole said has value.
		The trouble is that I don't think he believes it.
		I don't think it's a real conviction of his.
		Dog gone it anyway.
		I'm sorry that I have to be saying these things about Bob Dole, because actually he's a good man.
		Bob Dole is a good man.
		It's just that he's as far into the bureaucracy of Washington as MGM is into that of the movie world.
		And, you know, I just don't think he's the man to beat Bill Clinton.
		So I really hate being negative about Bob Dole.
		And I hate, but I'm going to say what I think.
		And I think that what he did was political opportunism.
		And that's it.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
		Yes, Art Bell there.
		Yeah, well, let me check.
		Art?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, this is Art Bell.
unidentified		Hello, this is Wayne from Index Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wayne, would you turn off your radio for us?
unidentified		Oh, certainly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's good.
unidentified		So are we on the air?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope so.
unidentified		You hope so?
		I didn't hear it.
		It didn't sound like it on my radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		But, see, I had a gentleman called about the scallion phone number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And he also has another number.
unidentified		It's his hotline.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		updates at every Wednesday at 12 and I think it's a 900 number, isn't it?
unidentified		Oh, yeah, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		No, let's not give that one out.
		We'll let him give that out.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		And I was going to ask you about these big satellite dishes up on top of the hills, you see?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And are they capable of aiming and directing laser beams?
		Like in a laser warfare.
		I had this weird dream a while back and just wondering about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, generally, satellite dishes are exactly that.
		Satellite dishes.
		Now, I'm not familiar exactly with what a laser would look like, but I think it would not look like a satellite dish.
		So it would obviously have to have some reflective properties.
		So I really can't answer your question.
		It's for talking to Martians or something.
unidentified		I don't know.
		Uh-huh.
		All right.
		Well, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I have no idea, sir.
		Thank you.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, is this Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes, this is Two Birds from Gates, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gates, Oregon.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your name is Two Birds?
unidentified		Right.
		Okay.
		I'm an Indian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I guess that would be a Native American name.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Two Birds.
unidentified		Welcome.
		I have some information.
		You know, there's been a lot of talk about conspiracy theories lately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Americans love them.
unidentified		yes well i happen to have some information about a conspiracy fact about the um back to I mean, if it is a fact, then it is not a conspiracy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's fact.
		Oh, well.
		Conspiracy by its very nature is a theory, right?
		Well, wait a minute.
		I guess you could be convicted of conspiracy.
		Sure.
		Okay, I see.
		All right, I'm not.
		Okay, two birds, let's get to it.
		What is it?
unidentified		Okay, I don't know if you're familiar about the original, the true 13th Amendment to the Constitution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean an amendment that's not there now?
unidentified		Right.
		There was an amendment that was ratified on December 10, 1812.
		And through a conspiracy of the fat cats and their agents working to undermine the Constitution, they arranged to have it disappear over a period of 70 years.
		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean like one word or sentence at a time?
unidentified		No, they got control of the publishing industry and through bribery and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean like disappearing ink?
unidentified		Well, no, it was like on a state-by-state basis.
		It disappeared from the law books in one state and then another and then another.
		And by the time the last incidence that we've been able to discover was 1876.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what was this 13th Amendment that has disappeared?
unidentified		Okay, brief, I can read the text of it.
unidentified		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just give us the idea.
unidentified		Well, it's just one, basically it's one long sentence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh, which says roughly what?
unidentified		Okay, it says, if any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honor, or shall, without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present pension,
unidentified		office, or emolument of any kind whatever from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them or either of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know that worries me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know why?
unidentified		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because somebody sent me a large sword and dubbed and had inscribed now, you know, like I'm talking the big sword.
		I'm talking a big, regular sword.
		It says Sir Arthur Bell on it.
		Now.
unidentified		Uh-oh.
unidentified		You're in trouble.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it sounds that way.
		All right.
		Well thank you very much for the call.
		Guess I'm in trouble, huh?
unidentified		What am I going to do with the sword?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Geez, I've lost it all.
		But then again, that amendment's lost, so what the hey?
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hi.
		Let me turn my radio off here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off and get closer to the phone or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's hard to hear you.
unidentified		Okay, there we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		I'm calling from Diamond Springs, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And I'm Bill.
		Okay, Bill.
		I guess you didn't get a chance to watch Ted Coppel tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I was on the air.
unidentified		Had Pat Buchanan and Norman Leeder on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		And it was an interesting exchange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, you see, Pat Buchanan, I would imagine, would be able to do a better job on Hollywood than Bob Dole did yesterday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I bet it was.
unidentified		He spent most of his time defending Bob Dole.
		He didn't make any judgments as to whether Dole believes in his heart of hearts that what he said.
		He just marveled at the depth and breadth of what he laid out, because this is kind of a watershed thing, because no one's gotten really specific until Dole did what he did.
		Time Warner, I mean, obviously they're in fact, they had the CEO or the monkey bucket Time Warner, and all he could do was label the thing some kind of ad hominem attack, which is not the case at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a very detailed attack.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was.
unidentified		And I tend to agree with it, and I don't care whether Bob Dole means it or he's playing politics with this.
		What he says is true.
		What he says reflects my feelings.
		And if I got out in front of my house and yelled it at the top of my lungs, no one would hear it.
		But Bob Dole just happens to be a candidate for the presidency of the United States, might even become it.
		And so the press makes note of what he says.
		So I'm glad he said it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, sir.
		I'm not, look, I am not going to take issue with what Bob Dole said, because basically, with the exception of Natural Born Killers, which I'll bet he hasn't seen, I agree.
		And the values of Hollywood are very troublesome.
		However, there is this thing about the First Amendment.
		I delineate between adults and children.
		I mean, most of you adults, you don't...
		I've seen natural-born killers.
		It had production value.
		There was lots of killing in it, but it was not gratuitous without a redeeming value or a dramatic value or story value.
		All of that was there.
		So I wouldn't have picked that movie.
		There's plenty of other ones out there with true gratuitous violence and no production value that I could discern at all.
		But more important, I think, is whether or not I believe that Bob Dole means what he said or whether he's saying it just because he wants to be president.
		That's what I think.
unidentified		It was just a political statement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I like people who mean what they say and say what they mean.
		I am suspicious of people who do things for political convenience and gain.
		And I know that that's what politicians do.
		And that's what Bob Dole did.
		And so I guess I'm just observing.
		Well, Norman Lear said the following, quote, Hollywood, in its presentation of violence and sex, has no more to answer for than the Congress of the United States.
		The name of the game in the entertainment business is short-term profit.
		This is exactly what Congress is all about.
		How you can get elected in the short term and every other value be damned.
		End quote.
		Now that probably is also a fair statement, isn't it?
		Regarding politics.
		How you can get elected in the short term and every other value be damned.
		And I thought that was a reasonable response to Mr. Dole's blast in Hollywood.
		Dole's not wrong.
		I just don't believe that he means it.
		He has had a very long and somewhat distinguished career with some blemishes.
		But he's never harped on Hollywood before.
		And when you hear him now harping on Hollywood, you can, you know, you look in Mr. Dole's eyes, you see the little shimmering white houses.
		And when he attacks something like Hollywood, the White Houses sort of, they get a little brighter, they pulse.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		KWHN, Fort Smith, Arkansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I know you're not going to agree with this, but I think if Bob Dole, if he gets the nomination, I believe he'll do more harm for the Republican Party than Clinton being in office for another four years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't agree with that.
unidentified		I look at it this way.
unidentified		Bob Dole does not represent the up-and-coming Republicans in the Republican Party.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do agree with that.
unidentified		I mean, he has, if you look back at everything he has done, he is basically flip-flopped almost as much as Clinton.
unidentified		He has made.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, there's no question about it.
		Bob Dole's compromiser.
		Bob Dole's been all his adult life a compromiser.
		It's what he does.
		I mean, that's what a minority leader and then a majority leader is what they do.
		It's compromise.
		It's not good training for strong leadership, in my opinion.
		He touts it as such.
		But a life of compromise is not a good OJT for a president who's got to make decisions.
unidentified		If he can't make decisions now, what good will he do if he is elected, which I don't think he will be, by the way.
		But if he is elected, he'll hurt the Republican Party.
		It would be better for Clinton to be in there and let him do his political pandering like he's doing right now than for Dole to get in there and turn away some of the young Republicans that are coming up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, frankly, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't really like either possibility and I'm hoping for something else.
unidentified		Groan
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Eric from Bellingham.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Eric.
unidentified		How's it going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		I was watching a thing with Newt Ginkrich.
		I think I believe he was on, I don't think it was Nightline.
		It was on one of the major networks.
		So it was while you were out of town.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		While you were on vacation.
		Right.
		And he was asked straight out if he planned on running for president.
		And he had said no, that he plans on sticking, staying as speaker and focusing on his accomplishments as speaker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		Oh, okay.
		I know he said that.
unidentified		Okay, yeah.
		I wasn't too sure people were clear on that.
		But man, I tell you, that would be a good race.
		I had an opportunity to watch him speak on C-SPAN in a he was speaking in front of a bunch of realtors, which with anybody else, it would have been a boring type thing to watch.
		But man, I was just captured.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, the guy is an intellect.
		There's absolutely no denying it.
		Love the guy or hate his guts.
		You've got to admit he's an intellect.
unidentified		He's brilliant.
		And when this thing was over with, I couldn't believe that I wanted to hear more.
		He's talking about the economy and lowering interest rates for houses and whatnot.
		But he's able to go on about some of the other political aspects.
		I thought it was quite fascinating, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure it was.
		And he certainly is, sir.
		And I hope, you know, I've got my fingers crossed.
		He has said no Sherman-esque-like statements, and that always leaves the door open.
		And in the last couple days, he's made some statements indicating he might be beginning to think about it again, and well, he should.
		Let me see if I can get this now.
		Dear Art, shame on you for implying all, or even most women, would react nicely to a fur coat.
		If a man gave me anything with fur on it, I'd feel like retching all night long.
		Oh, no, it's worse.
		She said, it's not retching.
		I would feel like reacting all night like Lorena Bobbitt.
		Oh, that's terrible.
		Then she says, welcome back.
		Signs it Liberal Sue in Illinois.
		P.S., you're right about Bob Dole.
		Well, just let me remember that, Sue.
		You know, I think most women, and I stick with that.
		Most women, I think, would very much enjoy a fur coat, Sue, but certainly after what you've said, far be it from me to give you anything with even a little hair on it.
		I mean, I'd just, I'd brush it all off, whatever it is I ever gave you, Sue.
		That's liberal name, Sue.
		I'm waiting for it to call in.
unidentified		You're listening to Arch Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 1st, 1995.
		I just can't hide it.
		I'm about to lose control and I think I like it.
		I'm so excited and just say hi.
		I know, I know, I know, I know, I want you.
		I want you.
		I know, I know, I know, I know, I know.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an oncore presentation of Post and Post AM from June 1st, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Good to be here.
		I'm Art Bell, and we're raging through the nighttime with five hours of unscreened, unpredictable, spontaneous talk radio.
		West of the Rockies, your next good morning, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hello.
		How are you, Steven?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		Well, I just had a couple of questions for you.
		Well, actually, one thing, the guy who's calling about the satellite delay, basically that would be a result of the signal having to travel farther, wouldn't it?
		23,000 miles up and back.
		I mean, that's a lot further than any landline would have to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is, but they also get those delays with landline as well.
		And a lot of times it'll produce a very annoying echo, and they've got a lot of equipment to combat that.
		So I'm really not sure.
		I know that sometimes we get great connections from Alaska.
		Sometimes we get very poor connections with a great deal of delay.
		Where are you?
unidentified		Actually, I'm in Santa Barbara.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Santa Barbara.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, there's no delay at all.
unidentified		No problem.
		Hey, last night I heard a woman call, and she said she found recently a brother in North Carolina that was given up to adoption, et cetera, et cetera.
		And she asked what frequency he could hear on.
		And then she had another question, and you said you'd come back at the top of the hour or after the news and answer it.
		I'm not sure I ever heard that.
		And I forgot what her question was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remembered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was, were the psychic hairs on the back of my neck style?
unidentified		Earthquakes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Well, basically, what I was calling about was that I consider myself pretty much a typical Republican, a mix of your moderate to conservative, and maybe some surprisingly, I don't know, you could probe me and find maybe some liberal type leanings, but basically a middle-of-the-road Republican.
		And I agree with you that Bob Dole, basically I don't think he would end up being a viable candidate because I don't think we should fool ourselves.
		The real trick here...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here I am with that view and you with that view.
		You've just described yourself about the way I describe myself, and yet all the polls show Bob Dole, I mean, it's so far out in front, it's not even funny.
		So we are not typical.
unidentified		Well, if I can use the sports analogy, baseball.
		You start off kind of in one angle and you end up going to the right and you come all the way around.
		You end up coming to home.
		It ends up being the middle.
		Now, baseball, or I mean, basketball and football, they end up switching sides at the half, so you can't really use that.
		So let's say the Republicans end up going to, you know, lead off and they end up towards first base.
		So I guess that means Democrats run the bases backwards as far as I'm concerned.
		But what I'm saying is that everything's geared towards the people that vote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hate baseball.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I use baseball analogies.
unidentified		Well, it's the only thing that seems to be fitting for me.
		I'm disenchanted with it myself.
		But let me just get back to what I'm trying to say is that not very many people vote, frankly.
		And it seems to me a bit of a game in that there's the posturing.
		You start off on one degree and you come around towards the middle.
		Even some astute politicians such as Truman and Nixon recognize the fact that you start off leaning, say Nixon would be, towards the right a bit, and then you end up coming towards the middle to win it.
		Now I just see where Dole is positioning himself too early, way too far right, to where that leaves a lot of room for Clinton to slide over in the middle and easily win the thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a very good point.
		Thank you.
		What you have to do generally is as you're headed toward the convention and the nomination, you do have to go either very far right or very far left.
		Because those are generally the delegates and the people who attend the conventions.
		They're very much at the extreme.
		And then after that, when you get into the real campaign, you've got to pull yourself back to the center.
		So that is right.
		It's just that somehow, somehow, what Bob Dole did yesterday seemed insincere.
		Now, that's a very rough word, and it may well be that Bob Dole does feel somewhat this way, but it seemed like a purely political blast with one particular intent.
		That was to attract the religious right as much as possible from Pat Buchanan, who, by the way, I think is the genuine article.
		I don't even like saying that.
		I mean, Bob Dole is a genuine article in the sense that he is a good man with a lot of distinguished service to the United States and a great war record and a hell of an individual and a very brave person, and he's all of that.
		I just don't think that he's the right man to run against Bill Clinton.
		And to me, that's important.
		Because as I sit here contemplating the possibility of another four years of Bill Clinton, the psychic hairs and the political hairs and even the hair hairs all stand up on the back of my neck.
		On the first-time caller line, you are on the air.
unidentified		Yes, Art.
		I wanted to ask a couple questions, and I'll take my answer off the air.
		Okay.
		I'm calling from San Francisco.
		My name is Cindy.
		I'm listening on KSFO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the big one up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Cindy.
unidentified		Yeah, I wanted to know when's the next time you're going to have Mr. Scallion on, and in your opinion, do you think that the scenario, the latest one you predicted, has begun since the earthquake in Russia happened?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you.
		Let's see.
		Next time I'm going to have Mr. Scallion on.
		Well, I don't know.
		We did a gigantic show with him, as you know, not long ago, four hours.
		Four hours.
		It's the longest interview ever given to anybody by Gordon Scallion.
		So we'll wait a little while.
		I mean, Gordon will come back on if I ask him to.
		Now, that may be influenced by what happens with this cycle.
		Now, the earthquake in Russia, about 30 miles from the Japanese coast, may well be, and according to Gordon Scallion, may well be the beginning of the cycle of the larger quakes.
		If it is, and if I see this cycle progress as we all fear that it might, then let me put it to you this way.
		Before the cycle gets past South America, I will have Gordon Michael Scallion back on, depend on it.
		So I'm watching the present cycle very carefully, and we will see.
		How's that for an answer?
		Best I can do.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Craig in Memphis listening on WMC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Craig.
unidentified		Hey, I heard that Bob Dole mentioned the movie True Romance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've not yet seen it.
unidentified		I've seen it, and it was great.
		It really didn't have much sex in it.
		But it was very violent, like all of Tarantino's movies.
		But I'll tell you what I think would be interesting and probably won't happen.
		You know Bridges of Madison County is going to be a smash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what they say.
unidentified		Well, and what does it deal with?
unidentified		You know, it deals with a woman having an affair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, I didn't know that.
		I'm sorry.
		I don't know much about it.
unidentified		Well, that's just what I've heard, but I haven't read it myself.
		But, you know, as far as morality, you won't hear anybody attacking that, I don't think.
		And it's, you know, very popular.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think the ones he picked were easy targets.
		I think that I'm sorry, but I think that it was just a sort of a political thing for Bob Dole to do.
		And because I think that it makes me less interested in Bob Dole.
		I mean, there's a lot of really important issues right now that Bob Dole could have used his present forum to pound on.
		I mean, really important stuff.
		Bosnia comes to mind.
		Leadership in a situation like Bosnia comes to mind.
		There are just all kinds of things.
		The welfare state, the fact that Clinton really hasn't done anything, health care, all kinds of issues Bob Dole could have used the forum to pound on, but he took an easy shot and he did it for an apparent, to me it was very transparent.
unidentified		There's one other thing I wanted to mention.
		Back when Perot was running for president, I pretty much liked a lot of what he was saying, and I was glad to hear someone first start talking about deficit spending, which was a brand new topic.
		But the thing that got me disenchanted with him was there was some kind of neighborhood that had a real bad drug problem somewhere in Texas and his, and he said, you know, just give me a couple weeks and I'll solve it.
		And saying how he would, you know, just block it off and go door to door.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I remember that.
unidentified		And that is when I was like, no way.
		I mean, everything else about him, you know, even though he was kind of quirky and crazy, I liked it.
		But then the thought of someone just, you know, of police state in this one little place, but, you know, things like that can just keep happening.
		And that's when I was, that's when he lost me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call, sir.
		Thank you.
		Yeah, I remember that.
		I remember that statement, as a matter of fact.
		I liked Ross Perot for the most part.
		Ross Perot is kind of crazy.
		Ross Perot is a bomb thrower.
		Ross Perot is a man who will say exactly what's on his mind.
		Ross Perot is somebody who would have shaken up Washington in a way it's never been shaken up before, and it would have done a lot more good for Washington than Bill Clinton's done in the years he's been there.
		I voted for Ross Perot.
		I agonized about that.
		I mean, I got so angry at Ross Perot when he dropped out, I could almost not go on the air.
		I was red-faced.
		And then the campaign went on and on and on.
		I'm looking at George Bush, and I'm looking at Bill Clinton, and I'm going, oh, I just can't do it.
		Got to sleep at night, and so I went for Ross Perot.
		And I can see a scenario building this time when I would go for a third-party candidate.
		Maybe.
		It depends on who the Republican nominee is.
		If it's Bob Dole, I may have a problem.
		We'll see.
		I tell you, Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton, now, there you'd have an election.
		There you'd have something worth the price of admission.
		There you'd have something that would be a ripum, tear them, election of the century.
		If the O.J. Simpson trial is the trial of the century, this would be the election of the century.
		No doubt about it.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Ert.
		Let me turn my radio off here real quick.
		Thank you.
		I really enjoy your show.
		It gives me a lot to think about during the daytime.
		And something I was thinking about, have you seen the movie The Lion King?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but I would like to.
unidentified		Yeah, it's a good movie.
		It's a good family movie.
		Disney always had a little dark side in their pictures.
		Anyway, my eight-year-old boy, he was noticing that when the Bad Lion, his name is Scar, took over the kingdom.
		The kingdom, it went to crap.
		It just, everything died.
		There was no water.
		And he told me that he thought it was similar to the way Bill Clinton was running America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like the Bad Lion King, huh?
unidentified		Right, yeah.
		And he was real attentive about that.
		And he also said that Bill Clinton's like yesterday's newspaper.
		What he says today doesn't matter tomorrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's true.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		I agree with that.
		Look at his statements of the last few days.
		It's kind of like, well, we're not going to put ground troops in Bosnia.
		Then, well, maybe under these conditions, we will put ground troops in Bosnia.
		And then the next day, no, we're not going to put ground troops in Bosnia.
		We'd spill a lot of blood.
		Now, it's all in the space of a count.
		One, two, three days.
		I have given up.
		I really, really have given up listening to Bill Clinton.
		I just simply don't believe anything he's got to say anymore.
		It's all contingent on what the reaction is, apparently.
		He just does not make decisions that he sticks with or that he really...
		I want somebody who really believes what he's saying.
		I think that's what attracted me to Perot.
		Wild a man as he was, the guy believed what he was saying.
		A lot of what he said was very good, too.
		He had the strength of his convictions.
		That's what I liked about Ronald Rigg.
		The strength of his convictions.
		Who have we seen lately like that?
		i even have complaints about gingrich but he's pretty good uh...
		i have complaints about uh...
		There's no question about it.
		I like Buchanan.
		I just don't think he's going to be able to do it.
		But if he begins to catch fire, and I would do whatever I could do to help, I'd be in there plugging away for Pat Buchanan.
		In the meantime, I'll say it again.
		Gingrich, Clinton, there you've got a real election.
unidentified		Gingrich, Clinton, there you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I just hung up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I beg your pardon.
unidentified		Art?
		Yeah, I'm sorry.
		I was playing with the phone, and I thought you were part of it.
		Hey, and when you visit over into China, do they have all the controversies like they do here with their government?
		Or because they're communists or just quiet about it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, their attitude about dissent is a little different than ours.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They shoot people.
unidentified		Well, that's not true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		don't laugh.
unidentified		No, I believe that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean a few cracks about the leadership there and you can be body parts.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah I was just curious over that, you know, because we here in America having our freedom of free speech and all, with all the controversy over this newcoming elections of the presidents and all that, I was just curious to hear what you'd recently found out over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's it, sir.
		Yes, thank you.
		Before you can say 7.62, your liver's in somebody else.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, all right.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doing fine, sir.
unidentified		Welcome back.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		I wanted to tell you how much I appreciated, well, I think it was the just plain gentleman you had from the middle of nowhere in Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he calls himself Radio's regular guy.
unidentified		Yeah, there you are.
unidentified		Yeah, he had a guy talking on there a while back about the Philadelphia experiment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that was me.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, that's right, that was you.
		That's right, that's right, that's right.
		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
unidentified		Excuse me.
		I find those very, very fascinating.
		Just real quick, I've been hearing a lot about Bosnia.
		Tonight on CBS News, or I think it was NBC News, they were talking about how the president was changing his mind again and that there might not be any ground troops committed.
		However, there are some 2,000 troops in Germany now preparing and so on and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Live fire exercises.
		Yeah, they're getting ready to go in.
		Sure.
unidentified		Well, my son is in one of those units in Germany.
		He told me last October that he was going to be going to Macedonia.
		He called me in April and said May 16th was the day they were going to Macedonia.
		I said, where are you going to be?
		He says, we're going to be about 100 yards from the Bosnian border on an outpost overlooking this whole thing.
		And I said, you mean to tell me you're going to be out there where the bullets are flying?
		He says, well, when his advanced troops went in to set up the outposts, the Bosnians went into a heightened state of alert because they thought the United States was going to invade.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, your son is what's known as a tripwire.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, the thing is, they say there's only 500 of them, but actually they sent the whole battalion.
		There's about 1,500 of them down there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe.
		It's a tripwire.
		In other words, if they come across the border, that's it.
		Then we are involved.
		Then we are at war.
		And frankly, if they begin to cross borders, then I think there will be very little choice anyway.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, the thing I told him was I said, well, you know, make sure you shoot back.
		He said, well, he said the UN commander is a Swede, from what I understand, and hates Americans.
		And he wasn't going to give them that authority until after he saw them go out and practice for a couple of weeks and decided that they could have the authority on a limited basis to defend themselves if and when necessary.
		And I thought, well, son, you know, I'm not real happy that that's what's going on.
		If that's the case, make sure you, you know, when you shoot, make sure you shoot to kill to defend yourself, because they're not going to stop.
		So anyway, I don't know how many American people know that, but I tried to get to...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I would just, the advice I would give my son is to hell with Mr. Swede.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If somebody shoots at you, shoot back and shoot to kill.
unidentified		That's it.
		So I told them, I said, you know, they're going to probably be wearing body armor, shoot to the head and run like hell.
		But anyway, I tried to get the agents to do that.
		Well, I told him, I said, look, you know, I've tried to let CBS know.
		I tried to tell NBC, nobody's interested, that we've already got troops just right on the verge of going in.
		And I thought, well, I wish somebody would say it, but nobody has.
		But thank you for the opportunity to keep it in good work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, sir.
		They're really not on the verge of going in.
		The troops in Macedonia are there as a tripwire.
		And what that means is that if the Serbs come rushing across the border, anybody comes rushing across the border, and Macedonia begins to be involved, then we're saying that's our line in the sand.
		We will then truly be involved.
		And by the way, I would back that idea.
		We just cannot let the Serbs run wild and begin to do a Hitler on Europe.
		So, you know, that part of what we're doing, I think, is appropriate.
		We don't want another Germany, do we?
		But we don't have one yet, and that's not what's going on.
		And so I'm not ready for the big fight.
		But apparently, a lot of people back in Washington are.
		We're going to be reading the Pope's predictions to the year 2000 in the next hour.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell's Summer in Time, the night featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 1st, 1995.
		Goodbye.
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		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 1st, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is kind of a Bob Dole goes Hollywood night.
		That's unfair.
		Bob Dole hits Hollywood Night is more like it.
		Campaign 96 Underway is more like it.
		CBS called it sex, drugs, rock and dole.
		Rock and dole.
		He attacked Hollywood, their movies, their producers, their values, The record industry, as well.
		He sees it as graphic and gratuitous violence.
		He said the entertainment industry is debasing the culture.
		That's us.
		With indecent movies and deviant music, he said, quote, a line has been crossed, not just of taste, but of human dignity and decency when Hollywood's dream factories turn out nightmares of depravity, end quote.
		He cited natural-born killers for its violence, true romance for its sexually explicit scenes, and blasted Time Warner, two live crew, that kind of thing.
		To Time Warner, he said, quote, I would ask the executives of Time Warner a question.
		Must you debase our nation and threaten our children for the sake of corporate profits, end quote.
		So, the only question I have for you, you know, Bob Dole, oh, incidentally, news this hour was that Time Warner was a contributor to Bob Dole's campaign.
		My question is whether you think Bob Dole is sincere or whether the little white houses that can be seen in the pupil of his eyes whenever he gets close up to the camera are pulsating.
		In other words, has he just taken a political shot?
		And I'm sorry, but that's what I believe.
		And I'll say it again and again, Bob Dole is a good, honorable person.
		He's a good man.
		He's a politician.
		And he's, you know, in his career, he's not been known to take shots at Hollywood before.
		And so I think this is just, you know, it's the campaign.
		And I think it's an attempt to co-opt some of the religious right vote that otherwise, no doubt, would go for Pat Buchanan, who, frankly, though I don't think he has a great chance at the office, is the genuine article.
		I mean, if the religious right really wants to cast a vote for somebody who really means what he says, I know that sounds harsh, then I think Pat Buchanan would be your guy, not Bob Dole.
		I see what Bob Dole's trying to do, and I'm not buying it, I guess.
		Norman Lear said the following, quote, Hollywood, in its presentation of violence and sex, has no more to answer for than the Congress of the United States.
		The name of the game in the entertainment business is short-term profit.
		This is exactly what Congress is all about.
		How you can get elected in the short term and every other value be damned.
		End quote.
		So that's probably true too, isn't it?
		So I'm kind of not buying what Bob Dole is saying.
		I'm also not buying what the president is saying, by the way.
		Three days ago it was no Americans on the ground in Bosnia.
		Then a couple days ago it was, well, Americans might go indeed to the ground in Bosnia.
		We've got to go in and rescue the UN or help them, worse yet, to reassemble in more defensible positions to do God knows what, which was really ridiculous.
		Then last night he was in Montana saying, well, no, Americans, there'd be a lot of blood spilled.
		So I have no idea what it is that Mr. Clinton is saying.
		Quite clearly said yesterday was that the UN prisoners of war, and that's what they're calling them now, and the Serbs are calling them, that if we go in and try to rescue them or do anything else, there's going to be a blood bath.
		And I would imagine the Serbs mean exactly what they are saying.
		I would think this is a good time for diplomacy, and the diplomacy ought to be to go to both the Bosnians and the Serbs and say, we're ready to get out.
		Now, what do you guys think?
		We can do this the easy way or the hard way, and we'd rather do it the easy way.
		You open a path for the UN people to get out safely, and we'll get out of your hair, and you can fight all you want.
		Now, there's a piece of diplomacy that I like.
		It involves not sending USGIs over there.
		It's just going to both sides and saying, you know, let's have a time out.
		You want to have a war?
		Cool.
		We want to get the UN guys out, and we don't want to shed a lot of blood doing it.
		Let them out.
		They'll be out of your hair.
		Get both sides to agree to that and leave.
		Anybody think that might be a good idea?
		When I was in the Tokyo airport, I came upon a lady beaming, very happy.
		She'd been in Ho Chi Minh City or Saigon, whichever you prefer.
		And she had a little baby with her in a stroller, a little Vietnamese baby.
		And she had just adopted this baby, spent two months there adopting the child.
		And in the airport, you know, she was a proud new mom, and I was happy for her, but I thought, gee, why did she go all the way to Ho Chi Minh City and adopt a Vietnamese child when there's so many American children that could, you know, need adopting?
		And then I saw a report on the CBS and the CBS special last night that told me exactly why.
		American courts, I'm sick of these stories.
		Baby Richard, baby Johnny, baby Mary, baby this, baby that.
		Parents adopt children.
	Years later, the natural parents come back and go to court and take the child back, and the courts are giving the children back.
	That's horrendous.
	Horrendous.
	And so it's no wonder.
	Now I understand why the lady was over in Ho Chi Minh City, and I don't blame her a bit.
	So I thought that would be a good subject.
	Mostly the comment, I must tell you, has been kind of divided.
	I would say the lion's share of it, Bob Dole, and his blast at Hollywood.
	And then the rest of it, Bosnia, and scattered other topics.
	So that's where the morning has been so far.
	I have promised something, and I'm now going to deliver.
	Well, as a matter of fact, let me get a couple of things out of the way here, and then I will deliver.
	I said that I would read the Pope's predictions to the year 2000, and in just a moment, I am going to do exactly that okay here we go I have not been able to confirm whether the following is true or false what I have in front of me is an article from a publication
	called Insight the name of the article is a Pope's predictions to the year 2000 I warn you some of this may be disconcerting to many of you I also want to preface it with what they have prefaced the article with entitled Editor's Note The following is from the diary of Pope John XXIII who reigned from 1958 to 1963.
	This copy that appears in total was distributed by certain groups in several Catholic churches in Metro Manila.
	The world will suffer through a painful period of violent wars, deadly famine, and destructive natural disasters over the next eight years.
	But that nightmare will be followed by a lengthy stretch of love and harmony.
	A beautiful, serene heaven on earth.
	Those startling predictions come from the sensational lost diary of Pope John XXIII, the beloved pontiff, who died June 23, 1963.
	The dusty leather-bound diary contained handwritten predictions and was found by a Vatican cleaning woman who was sorting through boxes stacked in a little used storage room.
	The entries clearly spell out the assassination of John F. Kennedy, the Vietnam War, the unrest in the Middle East, the fall of communism years before they took place.
	Later entries call for even more troubled times.
	Pope John had periodic visits from both Jesus and the Virgin Mary, says a Reverend who's poured over the wondrous tales.
	These sessions in the Pope's chambers resulted in fantastic glimpses into the future of mankind.
	The Pope was saddened to learn that conditions will get much worse before they take a sudden sensational turn in the year 2000 that will return the world to the pristine beauty that was here for Adam and Eve.
	Pope John writes of heavenly visitors arriving by June of 95 in flaming chariots of steel.
	These special visitors will arrive at the height of despair and help man heal his wounds and work together to right all the horrible wrongs.
	Father D'Angelo, now 73 years old, has agreed to release some of the diary entries made between February of 1959 and April of 1963.
	The scrawled messages reveal a frightened and excited pontiff who decided to keep his meetings with Christ and the Madonna a secret.
	The first appearance of Christ took place February 12, 1959.
	Pope John notes, quote, Dear God, I have been blessed like no man before me.
	The Savior has granted me a special audience here in my chambers.
	He tells me that I have been chosen to hear the truth no matter how awful it may be.
	It scares me a bit to be so entrusted, but I am honored all the same.
	Jesus tells me the Virgin Mary will come soon to deliver the first news of what will be.
	Now, the diary entries.
	Here we go.
	April 7, 1959.
	She is more beautiful than I had ever imagined.
	The Madonna is a joy to behold.
	I just wish her message was a more positive one.
	She says, in four years' time, the world will lose a great leader and a powerful nation will find itself involved in a conflict it cannot win.
	The fighting will take its toll on the battlefield and from within as the population despises the loss of its young men.
	The Holy Mother sheds tears as she describes the heartbreaking vision.
	August 17, 1959.
	The Madonna's second visit is much like the first.
	She speaks sadly of unrest in her homeland, a change in the balance of power, and much blood being spilled in the sand.
	She says several madmen will send their people into battles in the name of God, but the Creator has nothing to do with these senseless struggles among brothers.
	January 30th, 1960, Christ comes to me again.
	I yearn to tell my fellow Christians of these miraculous appearances, but I am advised to keep quiet until the time is right.
	I cannot help but think that I could perhaps head off some of the terrible trouble that looms for all of us, but Christ tells me that misery must take place for the master plan to succeed.
	June 13, 1960.
	The Virgin Mary says the world will get a false sense of hope 30 years from now when the chains of repression are shattered throughout Eastern Europe.
	The joy, however, will be short-lived as the freed people fight among themselves on how to run their countries.
	Thousands of poor, innocent children will perish due to the foolishness of their fathers.
	March 6th, 1961.
	Just when I thought my heavenly visits were over, the Madonna comes to me again.
	She seems tired of the headache that she must share with me.
	Replace headache, not headache.
	Heartache she must share with me.
	My heart aches to see her hurting so.
	The news again foreboding.
	The early 1900s will be a period of deadly national disasters.
	She says paradise will be struck by powerful winds and waves while killer floods and earthquakes will shatter man's dwellings.
	By the middle of the decade, regional skirmishes will develop into full-fledged conflicts.
	As the casualties mount worldwide, famine will strike.
	The devastation will be like none seen before, especially throughout Africa where millions will perish.
	September 23, 1961.
	She has returned with yet more bad news.
	It is becoming truly difficult for this humble servant to hear of such overwhelming hardships.
	The Madonna tells me, terrifying diseases will be unleashed on the already weakened population of the world by late 1984.
	Wars will begin to wind down because the fighting nations will be greatly weakened from within.
	This is the beginning of the change.
	Hallelujah.
	May 19, 1962.
	Now brace yourself because some of this is going to begin to get to be very close.
	From the heavens will appear the Saviors.
	They will arrive June 5th, 1995 and begin the task of assisting in the cleanup and repair of the environment in the crippled countries.
	Many will fear these odd-looking beings, but they come in peace and will, with God's guidance, transform Earth from a charred spinning rock to a lush oasis in space.
	The survivors will flourish in a world without war, disease, or hatred.
	My heart is finally at peace with this knowledge that there is hope for humanity.
	June 2nd, 1962.
	The Madonna tells me this will be her final visit.
	It is a joyous one, for she shares tremendous news.
	As the year 1998 arrives, our heavenly friends will have shared much of their advanced knowledge.
	Mankind will at last wipe out most of its diseases, and our lifespan will increase to the length of those listed in the Bible.
	The visitors will also share the remarkable power of resurrection, and throngs of wrongly dead will rise again.
	Finally, a wondrous miracle will take place in the sky above New York City, December 5th, excuse me, December 25th, 2000, the year 2000, when millions will witness the sensational appearance of a Messiah who will announce the beginning of a second paradise here on earth.
	Pope John the 23rd died a year later before he ever had a chance to release his predictions.
	Experts say the diary is 100% authentic, and they urge people to prepare themselves for even leaner times before the beginning of next century.
	There it is, ladies and gentlemen.
	That is the Pope's predictions to the year 2000.
	I thought it timely, aside from all the many requests I had to please read them again, with the prediction with regard to June 5th, 1995, it's obviously a timely moment to reread them.
	They're unnerving, or they're joyful, or they're many things.
	They may or may not be true.
	It is odd that they would come from Manila in the Philippines and be represented to be from the Vatican.
	I cannot represent to you whether they are real or not real.
	It's like anything else.
	I was sent these.
	They were published in the publication called Insight.
	And so for whatever it's worth, there they are.
	The Pope's predictions to the year 2000.
	Hope you all got to hear them.
	Oh, incidentally, these are in a text form, and you can get a copy of these by calling our bulletin board service, which is open 24 hours a day with many photographs and these predictions.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 1, 1995.
		We'll be right back.
		Radier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		The night's program originally aired June 1st, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell.
		And let me finish up by again saying the Pope's predictions to the year 2000, along with about over, well, now over 30 or 35 photographs, are in our bulletin board.
		And I would like to urge any of you who would like to get any of those photographs to do it this morning, because I have now received the balance of the photographs from the trip to the Orient, which for me included Hong Kong, Canton, China, up into communist China, Bangkok in Thailand, and Tokyo in Japan.
		And I took photographs everywhere.
		And of course, I took your Standard basic temple photographs and river photographs and all the beautiful stuff you normally.
		But to me, and I might add, with my wife's blessing, there are some very beautiful women in all of those locations, even up in communist China.
		And so I sought out several beautiful women from each country, and I took their photograph, and I've got some of those photographs.
		I think they are as much of a...
		Women are serious animals.
		And so I've got some real beautes.
		And I do have some beautiful photographs of, well, all kinds of things that I had to do with the trip.
		And I think I'm going to be posting those probably, no guaranteed, but probably tomorrow.
		So if you're going to get into the bulletin board, you ought to do it now, because once I post those, it's going to go nuts and nobody's going to be able to get in.
		We've got a lot of other things we're going to do, too, by the way.
		We're going to put Bob Crane's lineup, photographs of his lineup in that bulletin board.
		I'm going to put pictures of Dexter Yard's flowers in there.
		In fact, I may do that tomorrow.
		We're just going to put all kinds of things, and there'll be a chronology of the whole China trip in there photographically.
		Now, for those of you that don't have computers, we're going to be publishing a lot of good color photographs of the same stuff in our newsletter.
		So if you don't have the newsletter, here's how you get that.
		It's just $29.95 a year, and frankly, you ought to get the newsletter even if you do have a computer.
		Because there's a lot in the newsletter that never does appear on the bulletin board.
		From Bryn Marie and Sanfran.
		Personally, I'm afraid I cannot take Robert Dole's rant against the entertainment industry too seriously until he mentions Arnold Schwarzenegger by name.
		I mean, if there's anybody in the entertainment biz who's guilty of making movies that are chock full of gratuitous violence, it's Arnold.
		But tell me, how likely will that be?
		Arnold is a Republican.
		As soon as Dole is sincere enough to wag his finger at everybody who promulgates violence in the industry, and not just rap stars, then I'll give him some serious consideration.
		Hmm.
		East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		All right, now, do you know why you're stumbling and you don't know what to say?
		It's because you have your radio on.
		Do the wild thing at 702-727-1295.
unidentified		No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're not allowed to use last names on the air.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I had to just eliminate your last name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your name is Poindexter.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an interesting name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do they call you for short?
unidentified		Nothing.
unidentified		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Poindexter.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Poindexter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let her rip.
unidentified		All right.
		I just want to say that Patty Duke used to beat up Sylvia Slagelmeier 25 times with the apricot that she mashed on that scooter.
		You know what I'm talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't have the slightest idea, Poindexter, but I appreciate the attempt.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		This is Paavo, longtime Lewis Duke Idol.
unidentified		Nah, I'm just kidding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can tell it's not Pavel's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd know Pavel's voice instantly.
unidentified		Okay.
		Hey, I guess Clinton's really serious about gearing up for the 96 election.
		He's making more cuts at the White House.
		And he got rid of the convertible at the White House.
		He never did like a draft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He got rid of who?
unidentified		The convertible at the White House.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Convertible?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		And because he never did like a draft?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, I guess I should laugh there, but somehow it didn't hit the point.
unidentified		Anyway, did you hear at the OJ trial when I think it was Cochrane was talking to Simpson?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this another joke?
unidentified		You can't stand them, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, no offense, but if they're good.
unidentified		Well, okay.
		Anyway, Cochran told him there's good news and bad news.
		The bad news, they found O.J.'s blood everywhere, you know, at the murder scene, in his car, in his home.
		And O.J. said, well, what's the good news?
		And he says, well, your cholesterol's down.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Keep your day job.
		You know, there is actually some pretty, the one really serious piece of news came out the last couple of days, I thought, was, and the prosecution's going to have to figure out a way to deal with this,
		but of all the blood samples taken, the blood sample on the fence, you remember the one that was taken late out on the fence, and the blood sample taken from the sock, you remember the sock, right?
		These are the ones that the defense contends were set ups, you know, planted.
		The DNA people, the blood people, were forced to admit that there was much, much more DNA in those two samples, human DNA, than there were in any of the other samples taken, not only those in the dirt, but those in the concrete, and so forth and so on.
		Much more human DNA, indicating that they might have been fresher.
		Now, this really does give the defense an opening to say, aha, you see, it was planted.
		And I wonder how the prosecution is going to deal with this.
		Now, there was some testimony attempting to say, well, dirt, you know, the common variety dirt, when it interacts with human blood, tends to dilute or do something strange to the DNA.
		But a lot, and now bear in mind that a lot of that blood was taken from locations other than those with dirt.
		So why would there be more DNA in those samples that had been, the one, for example, out on the fence that supposedly had been there and out in the weather for a long time.
		I thought that was a very interesting bit of testimony.
		West of the Rockies or on the air?
unidentified		I'm just Josh in Portland.
unidentified		I'm 14.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Josh.
unidentified		And this is my first call.
		Well, welcome.
		Yeah, my first listener, KEX.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I just want to know what station I could get from Quitman, Mississippi, because I'm out visiting my dad for the summer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you going in Mississippi?
unidentified		I live in Mississippi, in Quitman right now, but I'm visiting my dad in Portland right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's see.
		Mississippi.
		Mississippi.
		We're not in a lot of areas in Mississippi.
		We are in Greenville, Mississippi.
		Is that anywhere close?
unidentified		That's pretty close.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah?
		Okay, then try WGVM 1260 on the dial in Greenville, Mississippi.
		Throughout the rest of the state, WOAI in San Antonio is heard very well, so you'll get us one way or the other.
		They're 1200 on the dial.
		So listen between 12 and 13, you'll find us somewhere.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Okay, and I just want to make a note that Poindexter, he needs to get a life or something.
		He's a geek or something.
		Well, I got to go by now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got to go, too.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you later.
unidentified		Okay, bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somehow I have a feeling you know Poindexter.
		On the first time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		You got it.
unidentified		This is John calling from San Diego Cogoland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I just wanted to thank you for being the talk show host that you are.
unidentified		You're like the voice of reasonableness in the wilderness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		I hope.
unidentified		We both know it's a strange world out there, and it's nice to see somebody who's willing to examine that with a jaundiced eye, I guess I could say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jaundiced?
unidentified		Yeah.
		As well as informed.
		The main reason I called was I was calling in reference to the gentleman whose son was in the Army in Macedonia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I was kind of concerned.
		I'm an Air Force veteran out 10 years.
		And my major point was with the security measures that go on in troop movements and stuff, I was surprised that his son had the freedom to, I guess, transfer that information to his father.
		I appreciate his father's stand on everything and such, but, you know, the lives of his son's compatriots or fellow soldiers could be on the line because of information like that.
		How do you feel about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that the military monitors mail from sensitive areas, and if the military didn't want it known, they would have blacked it out.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		And that was it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
unidentified		Have a good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You too, and thank you very much for the call and the kind words.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, this is Dane from San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
		About the entertainment industry, I kind of think that the far right uses the entertainment industry the way the left uses gun control.
		It's kind of like one of those superfluous issues that's only used there to push hot buttons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then my only question would be, then, if that's true, how come the far right makes absolutely no progress against the entertainment industry and the left gets guns banned?
unidentified		Because the media.
		The media is really biased.
		And the thing is, when the far right talks, they're just talking.
		They don't try and push legislation.
		The far left pushes a lot of legislation.
		And which really gets to me.
		I don't take it too seriously when the left talks about entertainment industries.
		Now, if they tried to censor, that would really get to me.
		You know what I'm saying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, let's examine for a second.
		I really didn't think Bob Dole was very sincere.
		I thought he was just being political.
		Let's take his statement at face value for a second.
		If what he said is true, then to simply state it and note it, and if it really has the effect he says it's having, then what other answer, what other course of action other than some sort of censorship?
unidentified		That's why they give R ratings so people who can't discern between art and reality don't get in.
		I mean, if you look at the entertainment industry, I've got Entertainment Weekly in front of me.
		The most popular TV shows are movies are Home Improvement, Friends, and the top movies are like, um, it have basically been Forrest Gump, The Lion King.
		So, I mean, it seems to me that the most violent movies don't make as much money as the less violent movies, you know, and the ones that are real violent are rated R. So I just saw Die Hard just recently, and they weren't letting kids under 18 in.
		They were telling them to, you know, leave the line.
		So I think that's totally superfluous because that's what they make ratings for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Appreciate your call.
		I tend, with one exception, to be very much against any sort of censorship.
		And I'll say this one last time.
		I have considered and am a supporter of the idea.
		You know, we can all scream about how parents ought to be responsible, and of course they should.
		They should decide what their children see.
		But we are in a nation, like it or not, you can't dispute it, of a lot of latchkey kids, kids who come home at 2 or 2.30 in the afternoon, 3 o'clock.
		And the first thing that goes on is the television.
		Mom and dad aren't there.
		TV goes on.
		Children are not adults.
		Child brains are not adult brains.
		I'm able to watch natural-born killers or anything else and put it in perspective and not want to go out and grab a gun and kill a bunch of people because I saw a movie.
		An adult mind is able to discern.
		I mean, there are exceptions, but they're few and very far Between.
		A child's mind is a very different thing.
		It's in its formative stages.
		It's still absorbing.
		And it does not have enough life reference many times to understand what it's seeing is not reality.
		So it seems to me it would be reasonable, I like to advertise myself as a reasonable person.
		I think of myself that way.
		To control the content of television during the hours that children are coming home from school and are awake.
		After that, television can be television.
		I don't feel the same way about movies.
		They're rated.
		Parents need to make decisions.
		You've got to pay.
		You've got to make a conscious choice.
		Television is coming into everybody's home.
		So that's, you know, so that's a sort of a mild call for some form of censorship.
		I realize that and I stand by my statement.
		On the toll-free line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Joe in San Francisco.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Joe.
unidentified		I'm the Newt fan out here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you are all right, okay.
unidentified		I think Newt's going to run.
unidentified		I'm almost sure of it now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I would think that a Newt Gingrich fan in San Francisco would be in danger of being lynched at the very least.
unidentified		Well, yes, you might say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, would you, for example, go down the street shouting Newt?
		Newt.
		I love Newt.
unidentified		No, but I've had, you know, conversations in public and haven't gotten killed yet.
		That's hopeful.
		Yeah, I think, well, I really think he's going to run.
		I thought there was no way.
		But the more I think about it, I think he wants to be the president throughout the turn of the century.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, he's made a couple of statements in the last couple of days that seem to begin to open the door.
unidentified		Well, you know he didn't say no.
unidentified		Whereas before he said he had decided to call it off a few months ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		But then on Meet the Press, he said, well, I don't know.
unidentified		I'm not going to rule it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Then, oh, now I know it's, I think the wheels are in motion because he went off with Rush and William Bennett down, and they had a powwow, and Rush talked about it and said that, oh, I think there's a 51% chance he's going to run.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it would be the single most exciting political race of our lifetimes.
		Absolutely.
		I can't think of anything that would be more fun.
		Anybody more equipped to come at Clinton and Clinton would come back hard.
		I mean, they're both good campaigners.
		It would be something.
unidentified		Yes, and I think the Republicans, they're very excited.
		I mean, a lot of Republicans now I hear them saying that, well, you know, he's doing good as Speaker.
		He shouldn't leave the speakership.
		You know, he should stay there.
		He's doing great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there is that.
		But, you know, he's kind of at a zenith.
		I mean, a lot of the legislation that he, through his leadership, did get through without argument is going to get bogged down in the Senate.
		Now, before there's sort of disappointment shifted back to him on that, he should grab the moment.
		The moment is just right and go for it.
unidentified		I think those who are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I ought to be on his camp.
		I think I could advise him.
		Thanks a million for the call, sir.
		I mean, he's just the right person with the right personality and the right intellect at the right time for the right race against the right opponent, Bill Clinton.
		It would be incredible.
		Incredible.
		Well, dream race.
		We'll see.
		Maybe he'll run.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		What I wanted to say is I went to a psychic fair in Portland.
		It was a couple of years ago.
		Actually, it was right in the middle of the Bush Clinton election.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And what they were saying, they were kind of evenly split on who's going to win.
		It was the toss-up at that point.
		The thing that had just jumped out at me yesterday, and I don't know why I remember this, one of the women said that Clinton would win, but it would be irrelevant because he would be the last Democratically elected president that we would have.
		She didn't elaborate too much.
		I'm guessing some sort of martial law situation after that.
		What I was wondering is the next time you had a futurist on, if you could ask him to comment?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'd be glad to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have them on whenever I get a good one to have on.
unidentified		And I know it's kind of a general thing, but I don't know why that jumped out at me.
		And also, the previous caller said something about a letter from a gentleman in Macedonia.
		What was that?
		If you could just give me a brief thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would be rough.
		I'd rather let the man call back and do it himself on another night.
		It's one call per night.
		It was a letter from his son in Macedonia.
		And I don't want to misquote it, so I'll just leave that one alone for now.
		I'm sure he'll call back.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Let me turn off my radio art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, do that right away, yes.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		This is Jeff from Rockland, and I called and talked to you last night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		When describing what I had seen, I didn't have a chance to tell you that what I saw was about maybe 40 to 60 yards above me and also made no discernible sound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so I...
unidentified		Yeah, and I could be somewhat mixed up on the lights.
		I went to work tonight and talked to my buddy.
		We both saw the same thing.
		And I drew a picture of it right after we saw it.
		And it was so close to us that as it passed, you could hear the wind going through it, but not much of anything else.
		That's how close it was.
		It was just over the pine tree lines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even more gently.
unidentified		Huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just sort of very gently, sort of a breeze sound, not a motor sound.
unidentified		Right, very slow.
		And it went by so slow we wondered how something so big could support itself.
		And we weren't thinking UFO because it didn't look like anything we knew of a UFO.
		Sure.
		So we thought it was some kind of new high-tech bomber or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, you've got to bear in mind that is possible.
		I mean, we've got things that we're working on that I'm sure we don't know about.
		That's why they call it Dreamland right next to me over here.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time.
		The night featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 1st, 1995.
		All the leaves are brown and the sky is gray.
		I've been for a part on a winter day.
		If I didn't tell her, I'd leave today.
		I've been for a part on a winter day.
		I've been for a part on a winter day.
		I've been for a part on a winter day.
		Free year, Radio Networks presents Park Bell Somewhere in Time.
		The night's program originally aired June 1st, 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is the final outrage.
		Has to be the final outrage.
		I can't believe it.
		There's somebody I know.
		His name will be Joe.
		His name is Joe, actually.
		And he does business in Southeast Asia a lot.
		And he just sent me a fax that's hard to believe.
		Dear Art, welcome home.
		Tonight is the first time that I caught your show since your return, so I unfortunately missed the comments you must have made about your trip.
		Of course I did for days.
		Would like to have heard them.
		I don't know what date you arrived in Bangkok, but I arrived on Sunday, the 14th of May.
		When I opened the Bangkok Nation newspaper, the attached cartoon jumped out at me.
		Ladies and gentlemen, you know what it was?
		The Benson cartoon.
		I can't believe it.
		It was in the Bangkok Nation newspaper.
		Anyway, he goes on, I was furious.
		I wanted to call the editor and tell him you were coming to Bangkok and wanted an interview to rebut this outrage.
		Then the humorous side of this unfairness hit me.
		I could picture you settling into your hotel to start this much-anticipated vacation, having a gorgeous Thai woman with one of those incredibly beautiful smiles pointed directly at you as if you were the only man in the world, serve you a Singhao beer.
		That's what they have there.
		I had many Singh Haos while I was there.
		And as you open the paper and spot this cartoon, you go into a rage, slander Buddha, and spend your entire vacation in a Thai jail.
		Hope it didn't happen.
		No, it didn't.
		But I will tell you this.
		Had I known it ran in a Thai paper, I would have been much more cautious about giving out my name.
		In addition, I would like to note that in Thailand, the one thing I'm told you do not do is slander the king.
		Now, in Thailand, to slander the king is to go to jail.
		I'm not sure about Buddha, but I doubt good things would happen.
		Certainly, if you slander the king, you go directly to jail without passing go in Thailand.
		They tell you that right away.
		Criticize, if you wish, the bureaucracy, the Thai people don't mind that, but do not criticize the king.
		Very bad, very bad.
		Go to jail without passing go directly.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		I was wondering if you had an opportunity to read Nothing in This Book is True, but It's Exactly How Things Are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean Rush's book?
		No, no, it's not the way you wish.
		Well, I see.
unidentified		No, it's Bob Fristle's book.
unidentified		Nothing in this book is true, but it's exactly how things are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like a play on Rush's book, but no, I haven't read it.
unidentified		No.
unidentified		Yeah, it's by Bob Fristle, and it's available from Frog Limited Press.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Frog Limited Press?
unidentified		Yeah, and it talks about the Philadelphia experiment and the alien creatures and the fourth dimension and Egypt and Atlantis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you could say it jumps around a lot.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, and the graves and Tibet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the Frog Press, you don't even get it, do you?
unidentified		Oh, yeah, it jumps around.
		I'm sorry.
		Yeah.
		I enjoy your program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've enjoyed your call, and it sounds like an interesting book.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
		And a lot of books.
		You'll see all the books I've got.
		I've got my own library.
		Getting to them all is another matter.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And to you.
unidentified		Welcome back from your trip.
unidentified		This is Richard calling from PV.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cogo Country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where?
unidentified		Palas Verdes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Palos Verdes.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, that could mean Prump Valley.
unidentified		Yeah, see, I enjoyed your first broadcast on your return.
unidentified		Welcome back to the good old USA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's always good to get back.
unidentified		Yeah, listen, Art.
		You know, you really fascinate me.
		Star Trek is one of my favorite science fiction shows, you know.
		There's a lot there for a person's imagination, you know.
		And you do a lot of phenomenal things, and you're very much of a leadership position in the United States, as far as I'm concerned, you know, because...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, don't confuse talk show hosting with leadership.
		It's not leadership.
		It's talk show hosting.
		Leadership is when you get elected, and even then it's hard to find.
unidentified		Well, I mean, you know, you have a tremendous amount of impact on the peoples, you know, throughout all your 170 stations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That might be so.
unidentified		Yeah, and, you know, the other night, you know, when you had the broadcast, the gentleman called, and this is one of the reasons why I called you about.
		He was talking to you about this gentleman by the name of Ted Gunderson, who's locally out here in Santa Monica, you know.
		Yes.
		I've never had the privilege of meeting the man in person, but I have spoke to him a long time ago, 1992 on a telephone.
		Right.
		And he wrote this article, and there's a lot to this article, and he's in Santa Monica, and I really would love to challenge that you'd have him on the air to talk about this.
		The man has put his life on the line, believe me.
		He's 28 years.
		He's an expert on security and terrorism in the FBI, retired FBI agent.
		And the man has got a lot to say about this situation.
		I mean, he refers to it as an electro-hydrodynamic gaseous fuel device.
		And he says only those persons who need to possess knowledge of research classified the very highest level of top secret by the U.S. government, in addition to access to a vast array of chemical and electronic components.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I'll tell you what.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have him contact me and have him contact me and we'll talk about it.
unidentified		Well, I mean, he's in the phone book in Santa Monica, California.
		Okay.
		Well, give you his number if you'd like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, not here.
		You can fax it to me, sir, or send it to me in a letter, but please don't give it out over the air.
		But I'm always glad to talk to anybody who would make an interesting guest.
		You will find out as time goes on.
		I don't have guests on the show just to have them on.
		There's got to be some...
		Otherwise, we've got open lines to do here.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, hey, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm pretty well.
unidentified		This is Anthony from Cottonwood, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		I had an interesting thought here.
unidentified		You're talking about Newt Gingrich possibly running for the presidency.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would love it.
unidentified		The guy's got some Brasscahonies, no doubt about it.
unidentified		Who do you think he would choose for his running mate?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you who the best person would be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Colin Powell.
unidentified		You think so?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Yeah, that would do all kinds of things.
		I mean, I could make a whole list about why Colin Powell would be an incredible running mate for Newt Gingrich.
		Now, there would be a ticket.
unidentified		Yeah, that definitely would.
		That would be a power play.
		Boy, you'd have all the big guns coming out.
		Yep.
		No doubt about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's the kind of election I want to see.
		I don't want a boring election.
		Dole and Clinton, that's going to be boring.
		I'll betcha.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, I'm sure it would be.
		Dole's not really even the man you want to get in the White House.
		I just wanted to say also that I've been listening to your program for a long time, and you really give a different outlook on things, a better perspective, maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe different.
		Maybe different.
		I appreciate your call, sir.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just whatever I am.
		And I try to not stop and think about that.
		I also try not to think about all the people that are out there.
		It really makes me nervous.
		And people are making me do that all the time.
		Even when we had our meeting in the Far East, they said that, you know, don't you get nervous at all the people out there?
		And I never even think about it until someone mentions it to me or starts making me think about the program.
		You know, I don't think that much about it.
		I just do it.
		And when I think about it, it gives me the heebie-jeebies.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
unidentified		If I'm on the air right now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As opposed to some other time, you mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you're on right now.
unidentified		My name's Carl.
		I just wanted to throw my two cents in.
		Okay.
		I don't think that Gingrich is, I don't think he's going to run right now, this 96-year coming in.
		But I think he'll gear up for the next election after that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the conventional wisdom, but I think he's starting to change his mind.
unidentified		You think so?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do.
unidentified		And about Bob Dole?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir?
unidentified		Yeah, I can concur with what you're saying about him.
unidentified		He seems like he's an opportunist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, everybody's saying that.
		I mean, everybody's going up, saying this and that about Bob Dole, except for one man who said he's better equipped to be president.
		In other words, so many in this audience seem to agree with that position, and yet the great, all the great surveys are showing that Bob Dole is just way out in front.
		I mean, nobody's even close.
unidentified		And one more thing?
		You know, Clinton wouldn't be so bad if he didn't have so many problems with his flip-flop and also with, I mean, his way he ran his cabinet, getting everybody into place.
		I mean, it was just, it was a fiasco.
		past presidents, whether you liked them or not, they always had their transition team, you know, the way they ran things, and they got the cabinet set, and they got all their appointments, and, I mean, everybody's had scandals before, man, but this guy...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got to run, sir.
		Thank you.
		I mean, he does have all these problems.
		He's not a good leader, he says, after he cites one good act of leadership with regard to the Japanese sanctions.
		I think he had guts to do that.
		You know, that's one issue Clinton does understand is trade.
		I'll give him that.
		But aside from that, I mean, this man is right.
		It has been a comedy of errors.
		Only they're not so comical because in a lot of cases they've resulted in people getting killed, like in Somalia.
		And now this whole scheme of his to get us involved in Bosnia.
		I mean, this one's really awful.
		So, yeah, it's like saying, you know, Hitler wouldn't have been so bad if he might have been an okay guy if he wasn't a Nazi.
		Well, he wasn't an okay guy.
		What he believed was not okay.
		and what this president apparently believes is not okay going into Bosnia right now is is um...
		You know me.
		I'll speak out on things, but I'm not really an activist.
		And I'd probably get activist if I saw ground troops going into Bosnia.
		That might activate me.
		It really might.
		I might get out and protest that.
		It's insane.
		Absolutely insane.
		You've got to have a reason to move the U.S. military, to send men to risk their lives.
		And going in to help the U.N. circle the wagons and get in more defensible positions to do a job they can't do Anyway, is no reason to send one person to die.
		No, sir.
		He better not send us.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's me.
unidentified		Archie from Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		Como.
		Huh?
		Como.
unidentified		Yeah, half and half.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's me.
unidentified		Yeah, we've got to switch over at, what is it, one o'clock?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		1 a.m., yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I think we ought to be honest with the public about this baby Richard and baby Jessica deal case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How so?
unidentified		Well, in both cases, did the court require that the father release any kind of custody over the children before they placed them with the adoptive parents or people that were looking to adopt?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, sir, I'm just saying that more and more now, it's not just those cases, but there are a lot of cases now in which parents are coming back and taking children from people who have been raising them for years and years.
unidentified		Well, that's what I'm saying.
		I think that the cases where people are coming back is the court has neglected to seek out the father and see what's going on there.
		I think in both cases with baby Richard and baby Jessica, that was the case.
		And the guy came back two months after the kid had been placed for two months and said, hey, I didn't know the kid was alive.
		I got a different story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
		I know.
		But, you know, I don't care.
		At some point, to me, a reasonable person says, no matter the circumstance, when you take that child away after all these years, even if you've been sitting fighting in court, you know, trying to get the thing done, at some point a reasonable person says, for the welfare of this child, it needs to remain with the people who are doing a great job raising it.
unidentified		Because the court screwed up.
		I don't think that's right.
		Well, they should get their act together, and then there wouldn't be so much hardship on these kids.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but that's the whole point.
		The kids, sir, you know, if they are really, really, and everybody always says that, oh, the child has got to be the number one consideration.
		If that's the only consideration, then what should happen?
		The welfare of the child is what I'm talking about now.
		Not the parents that are or want to be.
		The welfare of the child.
		What's best for that, John?
unidentified		Well, what would have been best would be for the court to act in a diligent manner when the biological parent came forward and said...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you're right, of course, but it makes no difference.
unidentified		Okay, let me leave it at that with you saying I'm right.
		I just have one other comment.
		And what's the significance of the 1979 penny?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		That was Monkey and the Wrench in Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		That's one of my favorite movies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
		Thank you.
		Christopher Reeves.
		Somewhere in Time.
		The 79 Penny.
unidentified		Yeah, God, what a movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, Christopher Reeves, I think I've got a late story on him.
		He's in real trouble.
		And there was a movie he did called Somewhere in Time that has no equal in its category.
		It is the most romantic, even for a guy, you know, even for a guy, the most romantic movie done about time travel ever made.
		So if you have not seen Somewhere in Time, go out and rent it.
		Go out and rent it.
		It's worth the money.
unidentified		Screams
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on air.
unidentified		Oh, good morning, Mr. Bell.
		Hello.
		I'm surprised to get through so easily.
		My name is Rob.
		I'm calling from the U.S. colony, Fairbanks, Alaska here.
		I'm listening to you on KFAR.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The U.S. colony?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, kind of get that feeling up here sometimes.
		We've got 66% of our land is owned by the Fed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I'm in Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		90%.
unidentified		I can sympathize with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		90% of our land's owned by the federal government.
unidentified		Ouch.
		Well, who's going to have the other 10%?
		What kind of government?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've done a little bit of it myself.
		Oh, that's good.
		You know, I say 90%.
		I think it is way up there.
		It's more than Alaska even.
unidentified		Geez, that's pretty tough.
unidentified		Have you ever been up here before, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I lived in Anchorage.
unidentified		Did you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		I know it's one of the, when I first moved up here, one of the most striking things when I came flying in was just the lack of industry.
unidentified		You know, I had come, grown up in the Milwaukee area back in Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I've got some news for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I may be coming to Fairbanks in August.
unidentified		Oh, fantastic.
		That's a good time of year to come.
		Days are still long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a wimpy time of year to come.
		And I actually, I wanted to come.
		I really wanted to come up to Fairbanks in January or February.
		But it didn't work out.
		I was ready to go.
		I was ready to go.
		As a matter of fact, I bought my wife a special coat, and then the whole deal fell apart.
		And so now they're saying August.
		I said, all right.
unidentified		Yeah, definitely Alaska should be experienced in the winter and in Fairbanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		If you're going to come, you know, I'll be a soft about it.
		The reason I was calling was about the Ebola thing.
		You know, I've heard so many different things when it first came out.
		You know, the first time I heard the story, there was like 100 and some deaths.
		And then by the next day, they had it down to like 40.
		And then at the end of last week, all reporting of any kind kind of dropped right off the end.
		I wonder if you had any news about what was going on over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe some of the people doing the counting are infected.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a Weisenheimer remark, but I appreciate the call, sir.
		Thank you.
		But the truth is, it's like a war zone.
		And any of the numbers coming out of Africa right now are just simply not to be trusted.
		As far as I'm concerned, what the CDC is telling us about Africa should not be trusted.
		It's now dropped out of the news.
		That doesn't necessarily mean a thing.
		What I'm saying is don't believe them.
		This is one case where I truly believe that if there were serious news, not good, regarding Ebola, airborne, whatever, they would not tell us.
		They absolutely wouldn't tell us.
		So this is one case where you're going to have to rely on, to some degree, the press.
		If you begin hearing about a spread going very quickly, then for all they say, don't believe them, it's airborne.
		We don't have that yet, and maybe the whole thing is contained, but I am not comfortable with what I'm hearing.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Mark from Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I've been dialing so long I forgot what it was I wanted to talk about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's bad.
unidentified		What are you in the mood for?
unidentified		Aliens, time travel, Bosnia, or family values?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can go in any of those directions.
unidentified		Okay, let me throw this question yet.
		I know you're interested in the ideas of time travel.
		Assuming that in the future, or sometime in the near future, far future, someone does invent a time machine or time machine, wouldn't we be seeing these people pop up at historical events in the present to witness them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know they don't?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, as they have traveled in time, what gives you the idea they would be necessarily visible in this dimension to us at all?
unidentified		Yes, I can have it in just a second.
		Well, that's what I'm asking you.
		What would be your idea?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you said, why aren't they showing up at historical events now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I said, what makes you think you could see them?
unidentified		That's actually a good counterpoint.
		Thank you.
		Well, that's all I had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okie dokie, thank you very much for the call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Next time, pick the door that says Bozzy.
unidentified		You're listening to Arch Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 1st, 1995.
		Coast to Coast AM from June
		1st, 1995.
		Midnight at the oasis, send your camel to bed.
		Shadows painting our faces, traces, a romance in our hands.
		Heaven's holding a happy moon, shining just for us.
		Let's slip off to a sand-due, really soon.
		Kick up the little dove, come on.
		Cactus is our friend, he's one of the way.
		listening to Art Bell Submarine Time on premium Radio Networks tonight an oncore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 1st 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is my desert music West of the Rockies you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Cool.
		I've been trying well I'm one of these people that like called and got in the first time.
		Yes.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Phoenix, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Phoenix, K-F-Y-I.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Okay.
		I like love to hate you.
		You know?
		Like I really love your show.
		I really hate your politics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		Well, at least you listen.
		Oh, yeah.
		I went out and like registered to vote for the first time in 20 years the other day, Democrat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did that?
unidentified		Yes, you did.
		You are totally responsible.
		I started listening to your show because my boyfriend's Republican and he we work nights in a factory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The both of you.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		And he's Republican and like he doesn't really listen to you that much anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you do.
unidentified		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not sure what all this is.
unidentified		I love your show.
		You really, like, I, like I say, it's kind of a dilemma.
		I'd love to hate you.
		Well, I can accept that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can live with it.
unidentified		Cool.
		You know.
		But there's some Republican ideas I like.
		I like the death penalty, you know.
		I like the chain gang thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do?
unidentified		Yeah.
		But, you know, most that's that's all I can think of, really.
		You know, most of most of your ideas I really hate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like what?
unidentified		Like abor okay, the abortion thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Abortion.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is it you you hate about my pos my position on abortion is that I'm pro-birth control.
unidentified		You're pro-birth control.
		Mm-hmm.
		That's sort of okay.
		Is it?
		Sort of.
		You know it's better than an abortion, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't it?
unidentified		Well, I had an abortion once, like, 20 years ago.
unidentified		It's not something I'm real proud of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then it's not something that'd be good, is it?
unidentified		No, it's not a good thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if you'd been taking birth control, if you'd been taking birth control, you would have never had to make that decision, would you?
unidentified		Yeah, you're right.
		You're right.
		But, you know, like, young people don't want to go on a drugstore and ask for, like, contraceptives, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was then.
		This is now.
		When I was young, young people didn't want to go do that.
		That's true.
		And I'm sure that's true of you, too.
		It really is true.
		It would be a big embarrassment to go into a drugstore and ask for a condom.
unidentified		Especially for a girl, like 20 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Especially.
		No, I understand that.
		All right.
		Well, thank you.
		That was a good call.
		I just, I think the decision should be avoided completely.
		I mean, it's an outrage.
		Having, what is it, 1.5 or 6 million abortions a year in this country now?
		That's awful.
		You know, I don't really even care which side of the argument you're on.
		It's awful.
		You've got to admit that's awful.
		And the one way to prevent it is to prevent the decision.
		Now, this is not 20 or 30 years ago.
		This is now.
		And birth control is not a big deal to talk about.
		And it sure isn't a big deal to ask about.
		and um...
		that ought to be the answer so that really is uh...
		I don't like abortion.
		I'll tell you, I don't like abortion.
		Just like that lady said, she had one.
		She's not proud of it.
		Not happy about it.
		Would it not have been better for her not to have even had to contemplate that decision?
		Of course.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		This is Ken Colling from KVI Territory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From where?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, KVI?
unidentified		KVI.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not on KVI now.
unidentified		You know, that's one thing I don't understand.
		Some mornings, it seems like every other day you're on KVI, and then you're on Como.
		Then you're on KVI, then you're on Coma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now you're mixing me up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, I thought we were on KVI until 1 o'clock in the morning, and then after 1, we're on Coma.
unidentified		Maybe you are, because sometimes I listen to you at some different times.
unidentified		Sometimes I listen to you earlier, sometimes I listen to you later in the evening, depending on when I finish my homework.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then that's your answer.
unidentified		Quick question.
unidentified		You said you worked in cable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		What exactly did you do in cable?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I worked for the Times Mirror Corporation, which initially was Times Mirror, and in Las Vegas.
		And I, with a very good friend of mine, built all the what's called the head-end.
		You know, the microwave gear, the satellite reception gear, the channel processors, the scrambling, you name it.
		I did all of that.
		I built all that and then ran that department for about five years.
unidentified		Yeah, I worked for a cable company by the name of Cable Plus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was what's called a head-end tech.
unidentified		Yeah, I worked for Cable Plus that's established out of here.
		Its home office is in Bellevue, Washington.
		We do have quite a few apartment complexes that we service down there in Las Vegas.
		Second question I have for you is, what does your education consist of?
		Just out of curiosity?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My education consists of high school and a couple of years of college.
unidentified		Oh, so you went to a junior college and received an A?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		University of Maryland.
unidentified		Oh, really?
		I was always curious about that.
		Okay, Art, well, you have a good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you later.
		Let's see.
		Going here, west of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Hello.
		I'm calling from KENI up here in Anchorage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anchorage, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Land of the midnight sun.
unidentified		Right, and it's still rather light outside here, not quite like Fairbanks where you'll be going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		but...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What time is it up there now?
unidentified		Right now, it's 2.40.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		2.40 in the morning.
unidentified		And the sun just kind of gets real low, you know, and goes beyond the horizon, but the light effect is still here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder, do you think the sun is still up in Fairbanks?
unidentified		Yeah, the summer solstice is, I think, June 27th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're getting close.
unidentified		I wanted to take you to task a little bit about your treatment of Senator Dole.
		Okay.
		In the first instant, you characterized him, you know, as simply a politician putting loose with a barrage for political reasons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I did.
unidentified		And you took position on that, which I can't fault you for because it's more interesting when you do have a bias there.
unidentified		However, it's like you should allow the person to make a statement and then judge it before you characterize it to begin with like a willing suspension of disbelief.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir, but he has.
unidentified		And the man, of course, excuse me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir, but he has already made a statement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He made it yesterday.
unidentified		Right.
		Well, he has declared his presidential intentions and he gave his speech as the presidential candidate.
		I'm pretty sure he was advised to let loose with both barrels and shake loose his image.
		And I think he did that.
		And I don't see how you can quite fault him for doing that as opposed to looking at what he actually said, the content of his message.
		And I think that what I heard you say was that you kind of keyed on a couple of things there that were a little different than what I've heard locally.
		There's a man up here named Fritz Petty John.
		You may know him if you lived up here.
		And he reported on the speech and indicated that what was important to him was the way in which he did his number on the Time Warner people and said that they were in danger of losing their souls for the way that they were packaging up sleeves for the population for their consumption.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
unidentified		It would be interesting to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, yes, it is.
		No, look, it is.
		I don't necessarily disagree.
		My comments about Mr. Dole's statement had nothing to do with the content of what he said, with the exception of the natural-born killers comment.
		Other than that, my entire assessment of Bob Dole's statement was with regard to the timing of it, the motivation for it, and the sincerity of it.
		Now, that's pretty harsh.
		I generally agree with most of what he had to say, frankly.
		I just think that it was politically motivated, is quite transparent, has no history at all with Bob Dole.
		He has not come after Hollywood in this way in the past, and he's got a very, very long trail behind him of taking Positions on various things, and he has never attacked Hollywood in this way.
		And he is running.
		He has stated that he's running, as you point out.
		He's clearly the leader.
		It clearly, in my estimation, is an attempt to co-opt the right-wing religious support now enjoyed by Pat Buchanan.
		He needs that, going into the convention.
		He needs that.
		So I see what Mr. Dole did as purely political.
		Purely political.
		And I'm not arguing with the content.
		I guess I'm arguing with the sincerity and that is pretty serious.
unidentified		I guess I'm arguing with the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Hi, I. Welcome back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I have a suggestion about opposing Clinton.
unidentified		I don't know if you want to hear this or not, but I suggest, how about Rush?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rush Limbaugh.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's interesting you should say that.
		I have heard some rumors about that.
		Have you been hearing that?
unidentified		No?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
		He was actually mentioned.
		Maybe it was.
		I'm sorry, I see so many news programs and talk programs.
		But there was a semi-serious suggestion mentioning Rush as a candidate.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		He knows all about Clinton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He'd definitely run a hell of a campaign against Clinton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No question about that.
unidentified		I call him Clinkhead.
unidentified		Isn't that awful?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, it is, sort of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We should have.
unidentified		Well, I have my excuse I have, it's early in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm like half asleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think Rush would be an effective candidate.
unidentified		Yeah, great.
unidentified		Well, it's really good to hear you're back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, glad to be back.
unidentified		Really missed you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Rush should be good.
		He'd be a killer.
		You know, he'd be hard for Clinton to handle.
		Very hard for Clinton to handle.
		It would be hard for talk radio to handle.
		Now, that would be something.
		Well, I hadn't thought about that.
		I don't think Rush wants to run, though.
		Does he?
		Have any of the rest of you heard any suggestions?
		I have on a couple of shows.
		I'm trying to recall, and it just won't come to me what it was.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Art.
unidentified		Tommy in Coco Country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Tommy.
unidentified		And Sinitas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I wanted to comment on the baby Richard case.
		I think that what prompted from your last caller.
		But real quickly, what I found was really transparent about Dole and his comments about Hollywood.
		You've got some big names out in Hollywood that are Republicans that are obvious by their omission.
		I mean, Bruce Wellis is a hardcore Republican.
		Sylvester Stallone, hardcore Republican.
		Tom Selleck, hardcore Republican.
		Their studios are out here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just wondered how it was just the Shannon Dougherty.
unidentified		Exactly.
		anyway so anyway with that that that uh...
		just i i just wondered who was contributing what to what campaigns and when uh...
		anyway but back to uh...
		$5,000, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if they can take it back now.
unidentified		I bet they want to.
		Anyway, with the Baby Richard thing, I don't think that I was kind of you were out of the country when that was picking up a lot of heat and there was a lot of rallies about it.
		But to the caller that called up talking about law, imagine they can put NAFTA on a fast track, but they can't figure out a way to resolve an adoption on a fast track is rather peculiar.
		But in the dissenting opinion of the, it was a 5-4 decision, and one of the dissenting judges, I don't know the name, wrote in his opinion that the decision to turn baby Richard back to the biological father was unconscionable.
		That's real strong language for one justice to put in that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I agree with that decision, sir.
		Thank you.
		And I look, you know, the caller was suggesting that this decision to turn the child back was justified based on the court having screwed up.
		And I guess what I'm saying is everybody runs around saying what's best for the child, what's best for the child.
		Bull.
		They're not, you know, that kind of attitude is not what's best for the child.
		What's best for the child is that it's if it is and has been in a loving home for many years, it's best for the child not to take it out of that home.
		So if all these high-minded, high-flutant people out there who really would just practice what they preach about what's best for the child, I don't think there'd be any question.
		But as usual, we get everything all tangled up in the legal system in America.
		And as I said, now I understand that lady I met in the airport in Tokyo had the Vietnamese child, was on her way back.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		I wanted to talk about Bosnia.
		In the past year, I've listened to talk radio.
		I've done extensive reading on our government, you know, close to foreign relations, and just all this New World Art stuff.
		And what I found out, it's kind of shocking, in World War II, we gave Eastern Europe to the communists.
		In Korea, we maintained the status quo.
		Well, no, no, just slow up there for a second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's take them one at a time.
		We gave, there was an agreement, ma'am, after the war.
		And after all, you know, the Russians participated and suffered heavily in the war on the same side.
		We fought on, and so there was an agreement.
unidentified		I believe the agreement was that the Russians would fight if they got Eastern Europe.
		That's the way I'm reading it.
		Well, in Korea, we maintained status quo.
		Vietnam, we surrendered the whole of Vietnam to communists.
		We've propped up communist dictators all over the world, and we've deserted freedom-loving people.
		So my question is, whose side are our military dying for?
		Well, I think we ought to debate that.
		I think it's come to a time when we should debate this question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think you're out there fighting for communism, huh?
unidentified		Do the reading and come to the conclusions you want to, but that's the ones that have come to that conclusion, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, very good.
		I understand the way you feel.
		I don't agree with you.
		And I don't think we're out there fighting for communism.
		I think right now what we're doing is just plain stupid.
		I think it probably is connected to internationalism.
		Not communism.
		I mean, that's totally failed.
		Communism's on the way out.
		Is full capitalism on the way in?
		No.
		Are we moving toward a more socialist nation?
		Sure, we are.
		As what used to be communist is moving to a more capitalist place.
		I mean, these are just facts.
		I don't even think that's disputable.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Good morning, Art.
		I'm coming from Orange, going into the little bit of reddish county here.
		Do you know much about the Great Seal of the President of the United States?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've seen it many times.
unidentified		Do you know on the back of that seal there's the pyramid that we normally see on the back of the dollar bill?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it's got a little slogan there that says, He, God, has favored our undertakings as Anuit Coptus.
		And I noticed in reviewing some tapes that I recorded on some of Clinton's speeches that he didn't have the seal on the podium the night that he spoke to the people in Oklahoma that Sunday.
		And I was wondering if you might think that to be a little odd.
		I've never seen a president without the seal.
		And it wasn't like it was a day of mourning because he had one whenever he was honoring the dead police soldier, the police officers that one day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very suspicious, sir.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I thank you for that observation, and I'll have to review some videotape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air very quickly here.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		I'm Carol.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, you're on the air.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		I have a comment to make about Pope Paul John II and his June V prediction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, uh-huh.
unidentified		I would like to say that in the early 1900s, a Mormon president predicted that man would never land on the moon without the world being destroyed first.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		So because of that prediction, I consider Pope John Paul's prediction to be nuts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it might be.
		I mean, the whole thing might be made up.
		I have no way of knowing.
		All I did was read it.
		Everybody wanted to hear it.
		We're close to the date, and so I thought it would be appropriate to do so.
		And it may be totally nuts.
		Who knows about these things?
		Who knows?
		Of course, June 5th is coming up pretty quickly, so we'll find out, won't we?
		I'm sorry, that's all the time there is.
		We're ruled by the clock.
		I think I've got an interview coming up on KFYI in about an hour or so.
		We'll see.
		Otherwise, see you tomorrow morning at about the same time, eh?

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