Lindsey Williams warns of the 1995 Ebola outbreak in Zaire, dismissed by WHO’s Dr. Henderson but feared by Harvard’s Dr. Mann as airborne and unstoppable, with fatality rates up to 90%—contradicting CDC claims despite hospital abandonments and spacesuit precautions. He links Ebola to immune system collapse from antibiotics/vaccines, citing The Hot Zone and a 1976 Zaire outbreak’s unexplained containment. Callers confirm airborne risks via ventilation systems, while Williams urges natural defenses—organic foods, supplements—against potential global spread, framing it as nature’s response to human overreach or divine population control. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good morning.
A good evening for some of you, dependent on the time zone, from Hawaii, Tahiti, out of cross, racing across the time zones toward the east and the Caribbean, beyond that, to South America and the North Pole.
This is, nevertheless, what we continue to call Coast to Coast AM.
Welcome to the program.
I'm Mark Bell.
There is going to be a special on CNN this coming Sunday called perhaps appropriately, hopefully not, the Apocalypse Bug.
It's about Ebola's a year, and it's going to air 9 to 10 o'clock, that's probably Eastern time, this coming Sunday, the 14th.
I will be in China.
You should not miss it.
They will examine the most dangerous viruses in the world, including Ebola, and the present situation going on near, now near, I say, Kikwit Zaire.
Now, I've got a special guest this morning who's going to talk to you about Ebola and other diseases.
His name may be known to you.
You may have heard another show we did with him.
He is researcher, author, and lecturer Lindsey Williams.
And he'll be talking to us about Ebola and the very different sort of strain of the flesh-eating disease that apparently is breaking out now.
What I'm going to first give you, though, is the news as it came officially through the sanctioned networks, as it were, earlier in the day on Ebola.
NBC said a full-scale international effort is now underway to keep this Ebola breakout confined to the area around Kikwit, a city.
I'm going to call it a city because there are 600,000 people there.
However, as of tonight, NBC is now reporting three other towns, three other towns with infection.
This story has now moved from sort of an also mentioned to the second or third story in their lineup, and it's beginning to move ahead now in everybody's.
Now look here, that doesn't mean this is all going to go out of control, but it means that as I said to you yesterday, there is now a notch or two notches more of concern.
And the death toll is an interesting area of concern.
The truth is an interesting area of concern.
NBC said death toll now exceeds 100.
I've heard figures beyond that and much below it.
A lot of the news coming from Zaire right now is untrustworthy.
NBC reported hundreds of sick.
The Center for Disease Control in Atlanta, as you know, dispatched a team there.
The team found a truly frightening thing in Kickwick.
They found a hospital completely abandoned with all the doctors and all the nurses and health workers and all the patients who could walk.
Well, they'd all fled.
They'd left a long time ago.
I wonder where they went.
One can only imagine what it would take to do that, to scare those who give care to the ill, to scare them so much that they would flee.
they would run now ladies and gentlemen i'm being told many things about this particular Somebody faxed me yesterday with a very interesting fax.
It basically said, if they had identified this particular strain of Ebola as one of the three known to exist, they would now be calling it that.
That they are not calling it that probably indicates that they have not yet identified this strain, which would mean it could be a new strain.
NBC went on to say that Ebola enters the body through membranes, throat, eye, and nasal passages, and it's pretty awful, begins with a headache, high fever, quickly moves to massive bleeding from every body orifice as all internal organs literally disintegrate.
Literally disintegrate.
They actually decompose while you're alive.
90% of those infected die within three weeks.
Gestation is very short, and it literally explodes, and they can see it occurring when they culture Ebola.
They can see it occurring.
They put it in with human cells.
It literally explodes human cells.
Now, listen to this, and I'm sure Lindsay is getting a kick out of all this.
NBC interviewed the official World Health Organization spokesperson, Dr. Ralph Henderson, who said, quote, We're not expecting this epidemic to last very long, end quote.
Suggesting that with proper cap and gown, why, it's going to be containable.
And maybe it is.
Maybe it is.
However, Dr. Jonathan Mann came on NBC right after our Dr. Henderson.
He's from the Harvard School of Public Health and said, quote, health officials who play the role of downplaying the potential for health disease effects to cross borders are ignoring historical and scientific reality.
End quote.
So there you have it.
I warned you yesterday, and I now again warn you, that information on Ebola and on what's going on in Zaire right now, the information is sketchy.
Much of it is probably wrong.
You can almost make that assumption that a lot of it is wrong.
And in my mind, if something awful were happening, if it became airborne, I don't believe that the CDC would tell us.
Now, this is not, as someone charged yesterday, a blanket shot at the CDC.
I just think it's a truth, and I think their decision in that regard might well be absolutely correct.
Because you could kill more people with panic with news like that than you might with the reality of its currents.
Well, maybe that's not true with Ebola.
Certainly the history is they did not tell us what happened at that rest in Virginia monkey house.
They kept it quiet.
And you've really kind of, I think a reasonable person, I love that term, a reasonable person would conclude that the CDC would keep it quiet.
And a reasonable person might even conclude that even though I know we sit out here saying, but we have a right to know, in some ways we don't.
In other words, would telling us change the reality or the speed of its transmission?
Would it help or hinder any real investigation in how to stop the epidemic?
If people panic?
No, of course not.
So a reasonable, rational decision would be to not tell people what's going on, and sure enough, we don't know very much.
And that is why I'm about to bring Lindsey Williams on.
I understand he's got a few facts for you, a little bit of knowledge that has not quite made it to the major news services about what's going on over there.
I must say that I'm glad we aren't being told the truth because I have followed this Ebola thing for some time, especially since the book The Hot Zone, which is on the 20 top best-selling list right now.
You just chronicled all of the recent media of business between Hot Zone and Outbreak and all the rest of the movies, and we've been inundated with the concept that a horrible killer virus could get loose and go around the world killing nine out of ten people, something awful like that.
Isn't it somewhat coincidental, at least it's worth noting, that all of these have come out and now we've got this?
But you know, the media has been warning us for the past year that at some point that particular virus or bacteria or fungus would break out into population that because of weakened immune systems and modern-day travel could literally kill millions in a matter of weeks.
All right, let's do a little Judge Ito kind of groundwork here.
What is a virus?
We've got to remember, Lindsay, I read and study the subject, and I know you do, and so there's always a danger we're going to get ahead of a lot of people out there.
Well, now this morning, Thursday, May the 11th, 1995, USA Today, in that nice little box they're putting down in the right-hand corner, they say, quote, the mysterious and deadly Ebola virus has been found in blood samples taken from desperately ill people in Kickwick, Zaire.
And it goes on to say that the Center for Disease Control has officially, as of this morning, Mr. Ralph Henderson, World Health Organization and the Center for Disease Control, actually confirmed this morning that it is Ebola.
Now, that sends cold chills up and down my spine because there is no more lethal virus in the world known to medical science than Ebola.
And it frightens me.
I hope that this outbreak, I say again, I hope that this outbreak does not go any further than what it is.
And for the sake of many Americans who might be on the fringe and might be prone to panic, I'm glad that the national media is not telling them what I found out when I was on radio station KFYI this morning.
You know, it's nice, Art, when a person writes medical truth prior to the time of an outbreak like this, because then you and I can go back and get the material before the media taints it and tries to paint it some other way.
You heard me mention again in coverage that we've been getting from a lot of sources that the hospital in Kickwit was abandoned.
They said the CDC team said it was one of the most eerie things they've ever seen, doctors and nurses fleeing, and they have no idea where they've gone, by the way.
Even the patients, gone.
Now, if it was not airborne, what about it could scare them so much to do that?
I'm Art Bell, my guest, author, researcher, lecturer, Lindsey Williams.
He talks about new diseases, and we've got one.
The Ebola breakout now in Zaire, and we're discussing what we know and what we don't know about it.
Mr. Williams seems to feel it is airborne.
The CDC yesterday sent folks out with WHO officials who said, no, it's not.
I rather thought if it really was airborne in the sense that the flu is airborne, that by now it would have exceeded the geographic area that they're reporting that it has.
A person was watching public television, and they were giving a documentary on Ebola.
They stated that as of two hours ago or as of this afternoon, a province in Zaire of 6 million people has now been quarantined because it is spreading so rapidly.
This was on public television, Minneapolis, Minnesota, two hours ago.
We were halfway through the program with Barry Young.
His producer walked in, handed him a piece of paper.
He looked across from the microphone at me with rather a stare in his eyes as he said, Lindsay, it's just been announced over our newsline here at KFYI that it has spread to an additional area in Zaire.
Now, there was only one city as of yesterday, Kitwick.
There was 100 people they said we did.
Then this morning, look at the progression.
170 people.
So they said on Good Morning America.
Morton Dean said this morning, 170 people.
Now, the progression and the rapidity of the multiplication of this thing.
And then mid-morning this morning, between 11 and 12 o'clock, this off of the news line saying it had spread to another town now just this afternoon, late this afternoon, evening, public television in Minneapolis says 6 million are quarantined.
I think I'd go back and read the hot zone as to what the truth was before the outbreak started, and they tried to tell us that it wasn't airborne.
There was a nurse who called into the station this morning where we were doing a talk show, and over the air, she said she would like to clarify the meaning of the word airborne because she also felt that Ebola virus is airborne.
And she said, let me clarify what we as medical professionals consider airborne.
She said, it might be different than what the average person thinks.
She said, if a person coughs, normally if they're in good company, they put their hand up to their nose and mouth and cough.
Yeah, you know, Lindsay, you're right, because even NBC said last night, as they were profiling this disease, that it enters the body through membranes, throat, eye, and nasal passages.
Now, the argument seems to be these patients tend to bleed out.
You know, horrible, horrible thing.
You know, they can even be vomiting blood.
I mean, just blood coming from everywhere.
And Could this definition of airborne mean a direct contact with bodily fluids, or can it mean a vapor-like mist that might result from a cough?
I mean, if it's a vapor-like mist from a cough that can do it, then it can be passed from individual to individual as easily, it seems to me, as the flu.
Well, this medical professional, this nurse, and she introduced herself as a nurse in a local hospital in Phoenix, Arizona.
And she said, airborne means that that person coughs in their hand, then they go over and touch the doorknob.
Now, she said, if that doorknob stays moist, it can stay there for 7 to 10, maybe 12 hours.
She said, another person comes along and touches that doorknob and in turn puts their hand to their nose when they cough or maybe touch their eyes or put their finger in their mouth or eat food.
She stated that a sneeze or a cough, or maybe even talking rather loudly at times, that a person seven feet away can be touched by the particles that come out of your mouth and those.
Yes, but the quarantine, though, it's not a satisfactory thing for the quarantine to be continually expanding.
Where they say there's a quarantine, if the disease doesn't stop there, then it's just like drawing a line in the sand and trying to stop an army of ants.
Well, quarantining Africans, Zairs, is quite a different story, too.
Now, you must understand that we're dealing with another culture here.
We're not dealing with modern-day America, where things are affluent and clean and all the rest.
We're dealing with, you see, I was a pastor for many years prior to becoming an author, and I heard many stories from the missionaries of what the African people are like.
I mean, they walk by foot.
They walk at night.
They can disappear into the woodwork.
They can go into the jungle.
To quarantine a country of 6 million people is really a joke because these people don't do like we do, whereby if you want people to stay inside of a city, you just block off all the roads going out of the city.
No, it doesn't quite work that way in Africa.
We're dealing with another culture.
And also, the question was raised on the talk show this morning.
You remember when Desert Storm took place and our troops arrived on the beach?
The news media were already there with cameras in hands and lights turned on to blind them when they walked up on the beach.
Now, there is some newsman or newsmen or ladies who will want such a startling story and get pictures of this new break of Ebola in Zaire that they will get in there, they will sneak in, they'll walk through the jungles, they'll do anything in their power.
Then, this so-called airborne virus will get on their camera equipment, they get back on the airplane and travel somewhere.
Now, let's admit it, we live in a world where news men get paid for stories, and they are going to get in there and come out with this thing on their person.
I hope this doesn't happen, Art, because I must admit, you know, I've been dealing with this subject of deadly new diseases and microbial mutations being the correct medical term for them.
I've been lecturing on this now for about two years and have written a book entitled You Can Live, dealing with alternative health care.
And some things don't bother me too much, this new strain of TB.
I don't like flying on those airplanes all the time, but I know it's there.
The inner city of New York has got an epidemic proportion of it.
These things bother me a little bit.
When I heard that Ebola Zaire had broken out yesterday, it sent cold chills up and down my spine because this is the most lethal virus that medical science has ever come in contact with.
on that cheery little note stand by just a moment and in a short period of time you'll be back on the radio And once again, Lindsey Williams.
Lindsay.
Dr. Ralph Henderson from the World Health Organization yesterday said in almost an offhand way, well, we'll use caps and gowns and masks, and we'll go in there and we'll clean this up.
And frankly, quote, we're not expecting this epidemic to last very long, end quote.
You know, a very calming kind of don't sweat it.
It's in Zaire.
It could never get here.
You know, NBC also showed yesterday, Lindsay, some European officials checking Zairean people coming in, you know, who would come on flights from Zaire for any signs of the disease.
And I sat there wondering, how would these airport officials, customs people, how would they be able to look at anybody and say, oh, this guy's fine.
Let him through.
I mean, so obviously there is international travel right now continuing.
And they wanted to get in and actually take pictures of these people.
Now, mind you, what they have shown so far on every major news program has been shots of people in Zaya that was taken a long time ago, and they dug them out of the files and are showing them.
They have not actually shown the pictures of people right now leading for every office.
I don't know of a man in his right mind that would take such an assignment as that.
But if some news person wants that startling picture that they get a fortune for, or that particular story that's going to make real news, they'll sneak in through the jungle and get it.
Now, do you think whenever they come back out again, they're going to allow some person to examine them at the airport?
New York Times, September 27, 1994, said, quote, health officials around the world, including those of the United States, have long been known to lie about confirmed outbreaks of communicable diseases.
Now, I only, well, after I talked with you this afternoon on the phone and you asked me to be on your program tonight, I was contacted by the owner, and I will not mention the name of the company, don't worry, owner of one of the largest supplement companies in America.
He has three doctors on staff in Dallas, Texas with his company.
One of them was in touch this afternoon with a friend of his at the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta, Georgia.
And the individual stated that the equipment that have been taken out from the Center for Disease Control by the people that have gone into Zaire, he said, looking at the equipment that they're taking, he said, we are not being told just how drastic this is.
And he said, I do not believe that we are knowing a fraction of the number of people that have already died.
In other words, there they're seeing a 90% fatality rate.
Clearly, the immune systems of the people in Zaire with poor nutrition, poor Everything would be in much more serious condition than would our immune systems in America, where our nutrition is at least fair, above average, much better than Zaire.
So, then why wouldn't there be a difference in the percentage of those who would live because of stronger immune systems?
I think the reason that it would not be a difference is because of the fact that the American people, for 40 to 50 years, their bodies have been floated with antibiotics which depress the immune system.
We've been given vaccinations, which is a subject within itself which depresses the immune system.
We live in a polluted atmosphere with ground that is bringing forth vegetables that have practically no nutrition in them.
And more than likely, the average immune system of the American is in worse condition than the person in Zaire.
And if this hits America, I would honestly believe what Richard Preston says in his book, The Hot Zone.
He says 90% of the human population could be wiped out.
I want to carefully warn everybody, this is a frightening discussion.
We're talking about Ebola and what's going on in Zaire.
My guest is Lindsay Williams.
He thinks we're not being told the truth.
We'll capsulize that for you in a moment.
I'm going to lay a little more foundation, and then we're going to get the phone lines open for Lindsay.
Let me, I know that you're just beginning now in San Francisco.
In a thumbnail sketch, Lindsay, would you please go over what you did last hour with regard to the differences between what we're being told by the CDC and what you are saying you know to be the case?
Well, let's say that it started out on yesterday with the news media telling us that we had 100 people that had died from a lethal virus outbreak of Ebolazaire.
It was contained supposedly within one regional area of a town called Kickwick.
Then this morning on the news, they said that 170 people are reported dead.
Then this afternoon on the evening news, they said there was only something like, I think, 30, 40 people who had died.
The reports are very conflicting.
Then, public television in Minneapolis, Minnesota, two hours ago approximately, stated on a documentary that they were doing on Ebola that as of this afternoon, a province in Zaya with 6 billion people has now been declared quarantined.
So they have drawn back and a much larger line in the sand.
What I don't get is what it means.
And you know, Lindsay, here's something else.
It's my understanding that they just started the quarantine.
It's a military quarantine, by the way, around Kickwit.
Now it's been, what, three or four days ago.
But that people had been getting sick for a matter of months prior to this.
So if you think about that a little bit, why, how many people walked out, do you suppose, before the quarantine, which doesn't seem to be effective if they've got to move it anyway, was imposed?
Because we must understand that we are dealing with a revolutionarily different culture than what we're used to in America.
If we say a city in America is going to be quarantined, we merely say, let's block all the roads going out of it, and no one's going to be able to leave because with our police force today, we can handle it.
Quite to the contrary.
You're dealing with an African culture whereby people are mainly on foot.
They think nothing of walking through the jungle.
There's no way to block roads because they don't use roads as much as they use walk paths.
Keep in mind the culture we're dealing with and to say that used people aren't going to go in there and then come out with their cameras after they've been touched by people that possibly have already not yet been diagnosed, but yet have already have contracted this Ebola Zaire virus.
Let me stop you there and remind the audience, or inform this new audience, that Lindsay noted that the only film we've seen on television thus far, and somebody may want to correct this if you've seen something else, but the only film we've seen of Zaire is stock footage.
We have not seen film yet taken live, but I'm sure that the correspondents are on their way.
One more little item, and I can't confirm this, so don't anybody get out of control over what you're about to hear.
Mark in New Orleans just sent me a fact saying, Art the News earlier this evening stated that two people have been hospitalized in Italy with Ebola virus.
They had just returned from Zaire.
Now, I can't know that's true, Lindsay, but if it is, it's not good.
If it is, it's not good at all, because this means that this is beginning to spread.
And I again go back to the fact that Richard Preston's book, The Hot Zone, was written before anyone had any reason to have any bias in any direction, and they were not worried about starting a panic.
Now, of course, there are many things that are not being said, and I'm glad they aren't being said, because it could cause a panic among certain of our population.
Yes, that was a very startling story that you're correct.
They didn't tell us about until a long time afterwards.
Fortunately, let's see, I think it was 48 Hours, May the 4th, 1994, did a documentary one hour long entitled The Danger Zone, in which they talked about a cages of monkeys that had been imported into the United States of America, into Reston, Virginia, which is a suburb of Washington, D.C. And after the monkeys got here, for experimentation purposes, some became sick.
They called in the proper people to find out what was wrong with them, and immediately the Center for Disease Control was contacted because a strange thing that appeared to be Ebola seemed to be amongst these monkeys.
Well, immediately the space suit-clad Center for Disease Control people came in, did take blood from the monkeys, and found after a few people, by the way, had been bitten or scratched by these monkeys, they found that they did, yes, have the Ebola virus.
The monkeys were immediately killed.
Fortunately, though, that particular strain, oh, let's put it in the proper medical terms, that particular mutation of Ebola undoubtedly was not contractible by human beings, and no one contracted it and died from it as a result of coming in contact with those monkeys.
Okay, my understanding was they actually, I don't know how we define contract, but they tested positive for it, which means it was in their system.
But I remember that 48 Hours program explaining, they had a scientist on at the end who said mankind got really lucky because there was this barely detectable difference in that particular strain of Ebola, which meant that it didn't make humans sick.
It didn't do to human cells what it did to monkey cells.
But had that been transferred jump species, nine out of ten of us right now might not be here.
I understand from USA Today, this morning's newspaper, that the Center for Disease Control officials have officially taken blood samples and are either on their way back to the U.S. or possibly have arrived back here this afternoon and will be attempting to determine what strain of the virus that they have in Ebola right now.
If the virus is so highly contagious and airborne, where and when did it first originate, and why didn't it infect the rest of humanity on its first outbreak?
In other words, like brush fire, why didn't it go around?
How long would it take to go around if it is airborne?
According to the USA Today this morning, and they give the date of 1976, there was a pilot who discovered Ebola and an outbreak in Zaire at that time, 1976, was the first time that medical science has ever recorded anything like this.
And it seems that it only was, it was contained within one village only, where the majority of the population of that village did die from it.
It didn't go any further.
And for what reason it stopped, nobody seems to know.
They have no rational reason as to why it started, why it stopped, and why it did not continue.
All right, here's a fact from Paul, who is a registered nurse.
Keep up the good work.
You're the only one who Seems to be bringing this urgent information to the U.S. public now.
Dr. Mann, who I know from Harvard, I'm a product of the School of Public Health, and you are spot on with the seriousness of the situation.
I work with WHO in Asia and often question their comments.
Likewise, our government would not keep us informed.
I'm sure the World Health Organization, the CDC, and the government speak with one voice with regard to what will be told to the American public, correct?
Now, let me go back and explain why I speak with some authority on this.
Two years ago, now I authored a book five years ago entitled You Can Live, which put me into the alternative medicine field.
And I lecture all over the country and in many other places on this subject.
About two years ago, I began receiving some very strange newspaper articles, documentation from different sources of people that would send it to me.
Because we researchers, that's where we get most of our material, is folks that, like they do, they fax things into you.
The files started growing about this new strain of TB, about SREP A, and on and on, the flesh-eating disease.
And I decided at that point that I would make this my expertise.
And two years ago, begun lecturing on the subject of deadly new diseases.
Because of this, I followed them very carefully.
And in my travels, extensively across the country, I pick up things in different cities that you might not see on the national network or would hit the major press.
But locally, the newspapers would tell what's happening in that particular area.
And when a person travels this much, they pick up the fact that these things are mutating, that they are dangerous.
And I expected something like this to break out and have been predicting for about the past six months that people must be on the outlook.
They must be ready because some particular virus, bacteria, fungus will break out that will sweep the population because of modern day travel and weakened immune systems.
In fact, that's what the movie Outbreak was about.
Even though I know they elaborated some and they made it into movie form with a story, yet it was taken from factual circumstances in many cases.
Richard Preston, who wrote the book The Hot Zone, he was very meticulous in dealing with this subject from reliable sources and investigated it for two years himself.
And I know this sounds radical, but at some point, wouldn't you have to say to yourself, no more airplanes, no more travel from that continent to others or something so that you would have it isolated to one continent?
Or is it right now, Friday morning, already too late?
Well, I don't know how to answer it without being honest.
Have you ever seen airlines shut down?
Have you seen countries close out the rest of the world?
That just isn't done in our modern-day society.
And to think that newsmen and ladies aren't going to sneak in there to get pictures and bring this stuff out, to think that we can close down our modern-day world is unthinkable.
You stress repeatedly that you have no hard evidence that Ebola virus is airborne.
That's true.
It's also true there is no hard evidence that it is not airborne.
Now, when confronted with such a dilemma involving public health, prudence demands the worst case danger be assumed, not the least.
For example, if an object is found that appears to be a bomb, the disposal squad's assumption, until proven otherwise, must be that it is a bomb.
That's why standard medical procedures require an immediate quarantine of unknown illnesses, such as the Ebola virus, until knowledge is certain one way or the other.
And as you just said, Lindsay, either it's too late, it's already out, or it will shortly be out, one way or the other.
They are not imposing that kind of quarantine.
Doesn't that indicate that they don't think that it's so airborne that it will spread in a flash fire around the world?
Well, it sure seems that the bugs are smarter than us.
After all, we're still given antibiotics and depressing the body's immune systems in light of the fact that they say there is positively no known drug that will stop this Ebola.
And yet the only thing that anybody has is what God put in these bodies originally, and that's an immune system.
And if allowed to work correctly, it can overcome contact with any known virus, bacteria, fungus, anything.
But I have never seen anybody who had Ebola and recovered.
And if there was such a person, they'd be really valuable.
In other words, you would think the CDC would have them strapped down somewhere, taking their blood and saying, now, how did this person live through this?
I mean, we're talking about a disease that literally explodes the cells, disintegrates internal organs.
And so if you get it, how in the world can you not die from it?
As of this afternoon, it has gone past the area of Kitwit and now has been broadened out to an area of 6 million, not 600,000.
No, the decimal points are not in the improper place.
This happened only as of late this afternoon.
It was reported on public television in Minneapolis, Minnesota, at the time that a documentary, which has just been done by the station on Ebola, and they announced that as of this afternoon, it has been broadened out to include an area of 6 million quarantined.
Now, there's something relates to this part that I think the listening audience will especially need to know.
A number of weeks ago, radio station WCCO in Minneapolis called me and they said, we'd like you to be on the air tomorrow morning.
And I said, why tomorrow morning?
I'm not even in Minneapolis.
They said, because a new strain of STREP A, which is last summer was known as a flesh-eating disease, has broken out up here and four people have died in one week's time.
I did some investigation, did the program the next morning with WCCO, and had an outstanding response.
Strep A last summer was known as flesh-eating disease.
It was a new mutation.
Yes, strep A has been around for as long as medical science can remember, but not the new mutated form, which last summer was called flesh-eating disease and ate externally as fast as one inch per hour.
This new flesh-eating disease that broke out in Minneapolis, in a little town called Winomingo on the outskirts of Minneapolis a few weeks ago, eats the internal muscle tissue.
If not caught within three days, it begins to release toxins into the bloodstream that no known modern drug can stop it.
So four people died.
The following week, I was on radio station KGNW in Seattle, Washington.
The talk show host did as talk show hosts oftentimes like to do.
They wanted something phenomenal, and they said, now, while we're on the air, Lindsay, we're going to have our producer call Winamingo and find out really just what this thing is about.
And Winamingo, the city, said, contact the Cannon Falls Hospital at Cannon Falls, Minnesota.
That's where the full people were taken.
The producer came back on the station a few minutes later, and the talk show host said, we have called.
They told us to call Cannon Falls Hospital.
We did.
They verified that full people have died.
It is Trepe A. It's a new type of flesh-eating disease.
And then came the part that caused me to actually order an audio tape of the program because I want to keep it for posterity.
Otherwise, it might have trouble being believed.
The spokesperson at the Cannon Falls Hospital, without any prompting for the producer of the radio station, KGNW, Stuart White, who was the talk show host, said, we think that this new form of flesh-eating, internal flesh-eating disease may bekin to Ebola.
Well, the results or the end results, the horrible end results, would be very similar, a disintegration of internal organs and death.
Listen, here is the latest AP minutes ago.
Atlanta, AP, scientists huddled Thursday in protected bubble suits over samples of the deadly Ebola virus that was brought from Africa to their top security lab at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
They are looking at blood samples from 16 of 49 confirmed victims of Ebola in Zaire.
Meanwhile, fearful the virus would spread, officials imposed more restrictions on travel and advised people to stay off the streets in the city where the outbreak began.
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That's AP, and by the way, it is just below the Oklahoma City story, which tops the news on the evidence found in Terry Nichols' house.
So this story has now moved from the bottom of the newscast to the middle to near the top.
This story, right now anyway, Lindsay, at this moment is getting bigger and bigger.
I've got another fact, in effect, confirming what you're saying.
It's an opinion from somebody who seems to know what they're talking about.
Also, as for Ebola being airborne, it is more likely that it is and has been airborne all along, just as a flu or a cold, it can be carried from person to person via the transmission of bodily fluids.
And, you know, here's another one to think about.
As more people get Ebola, surely if it cannot be transferred just by coughing or hacking, which you believe that it can, then what about mosquitoes?
They've got mosquitoes over there in Africa, don't they?
Here we're talking about an area of the world that doesn't have all the money and the modern-day methods of killing these things that we have here in America.
Well, if you've got four or five people sick, you might prevent a lot of mosquito contact and then transference in that manner.
But when you begin to get hundreds or thousands sick, then you seem, it seems to me, I mean, I've not heard them say a word about the possibility of transmission, of it being transmissible by mosquitoes.
Okay, I hate to throw gasoline on the fire here, but my wife is monitoring the BBC on our shortwave, and she just called me to tell me that there is a report of Italian doctors treating someone who arrived on a flight from Africa.
Now, I want to get on to a different aspect of this.
This facet of the quickening, I think, is probably the most horrific of all, because, you know, you might be in the right place at the right time when an earthquake comes, but if something like this comes along, I want to refer back to a warning I received a long time ago from someone I really respected about this sort of thing, and he insisted that a fast of at least seven days duration is necessary to begin the process of rebuilding the immune system.
And I'll hop off, and I'd like to get some feedback from this expert because that's what I believe I'm going to do.
And I also want to note that chlorophyll and hemoglobin are identical carbon chains, except they're both bound to a different mineral at the end.
So the ingestion of large amounts of chlorophyll, I think, are going to be really helpful in ensuring that we might end up in the 10%.
I have been an avid health food person for many, many years.
Last week I was in Seattle, Washington.
The newspaper is the Seattle Post Intelligence, dated Monday, May the 1st, 1995, an article that I never thought I'd see in a secular newspaper.
It says, poor nutrition may make viruses deadly.
Let me read just the first sentence.
Scientists say that they have the first direct evidence that viruses can mutate and become deadly because of nutritional deficiencies in the host they infect.
And it goes on for paragraph after paragraph talking about the fact that if a person eats right, lives right, gets the proper nutrition, but that without that, the virus can actually get in there and mutate very easily.
Just exactly what the call is saying is true.
With this outbreak being evident as it is, before we go too much further tonight, I'd like to give my personal five-point plan for staying healthy.
Since I'm out here on the road day after day after day, I shake hands with people who may have AIDS.
I'm coughed on by those who may have the new strain of TB.
I'm in contact with those who have the new strep A in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
It has been known for years that disease cannot live in an oxygen environment.
So get oxygen into that body, even if you have to drive 10 miles outside of the city smog in order to breathe in good air while you're jogging.
Get that exercise.
Number four, learn the facts.
There's no way a person is going to protect themselves unless they listen to a program like yours, Art, where you allow somebody to tell the facts and be honest with people.
Ye shall know the truth and the truth.
The Bible says ye shall know that the truth and the truth shall keep you awake at night.
No, quite to the contrary.
Ye shall know the truth and the truth will scare you to death.
No, that's not right either.
Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.
Someone said to me the other day, doesn't it scare you to death to know what you know?
It would frighten me if I didn't know what I know.
And then fifth and last, and I can't leave this off, we must take time for our spiritual life.
And let me quickly explain.
I know this is not a religious broadcast, but I was doing my first book on You Can Live, and I was at a hospital in Mexico as nice and clean as any American hospital.
It had five floors to it.
And dear old Dr. Ernesto Contreras, 70-something years of age, probably has the most knowledge of malignances of any man in the world.
And he said to me, Lindsay, every Sunday morning I tell the people in my hospital, and there were five floors of them there, most of them cancer patients.
He said, I tell them if they can get up out of bed, get up out of bed and go to church.
I said, but doctor, they can't understand the sermon.
It's in Spanish.
He said, Lindsay, I can't cure the physical unless God does something about taking care of the spiritual.
Now, that's my formula personally, along with taking a lot of Oriental herbs and a whole lot of supplements and other things, which I won't mention because I don't work for any company.
I'm only an author and lecturer.
But it is inevitable that this Ebola may sweep the world.
And if building that immune system is not started before you come in contact with it, let's be truthful.
Well, you know, I also want to say here, Lindsay, that doing all the right things.
You remember the nut guy?
The nut guy.
He was Mr. Naturelle, a natural.
I forget he had a big heart attack or he had a stroke or something or another and died.
There are people who live reasonably excessive lives, you know, drinking, smoking, and womanizing, and they live to be ripe old ages.
And while the guy who collects the nuts and eats the bark falls over dead of a heart attack.
So there is that aspect too.
Plus, Ebola, with what they're telling us about it, may mow Mr. I've got the big immune system Lindsey Williams down, just like the other blades of grass that it will move over.
And, you know, I don't like to sound negative, but I'm not sure that Ebola meets a lot of immune systems that it doesn't destroy.
On that note, stand by, and we'll be right back to you, Lindsay.
And I didn't really mean to say you're a blade of grass.
a very nice and informative person and we'll be right back *Groan* Okay, back now to Lindsay Williams.
Here's a question for you and your guests.
Do either of you think temporary administration of mood elevating and stimulating drugs would have a positive effect on the immune system, maybe also in conjunction with antibiotics?
Could it be a more effective therapy involving these new pernicious virus strains?
In other words, elevate the mood, elevate the immune system.
Antibiotics have always been known to depress the immune system, along with vaccinations and other foreign substances that have been used by medical science.
And this is the reason that modern-day medicine and honest doctors have been saying for the past maybe two or three years that we are bringing on a medical disaster by what we're doing.
So I personally would highly say go get some good foods and eat them, but definitely don't start with something that's going to depress the immune system.
Art, there was a report on the news earlier today that they, the CDC, had reported that there were known cases of people that had the Ebola virus previously and had lived, therefore supporting the theory that some individuals' immune systems were capable of overcoming the virus.
That may be so, but it seems to me then they have developed something that allowed them to beat that virus.
Is it not easily found, Lindsay?
If they study these people, is there not something in their blood that can be detected that then would help everybody else?
Or is it just the strength of their immune system?
Well, according to both the Hot Zone book and according today's newspaper, there is no known substance today that can stop this.
This is lethal, and there is nothing that they can do about it.
If a person gets it, either their immune system overcomes it or they die.
Now, in the case of AIDS, the article that I read a few moments ago, two infants overcame it because their immune systems, growing immune systems, maturing immune systems were the correct wording, actually overcame it.
Now, you probably remember the poll report that came from the International AIDS Conference in Berlin, Germany, where they gave a cure for AIDS right in the minutes of the International AIDS Conference.
I have through the years speculated what it would be like to in effect provide coverage or a discussion forum for the end of the world.
So it's sort of a matter of idle science fiction-like speculation.
I sure hope we're not beginning to do that right now.
The subject is Ebola.
I have a guest whose name is Lindsay Williams.
And I have certain information and Lindsay has a lot more and we'll get him back on and retrench just a little bit one final time for those of you just joining us at this hour.
It missed him a very important uh two hours, but I'll try and retrench it a little bit.
There is uh according to NBC uh which is sort of the official report to everybody a full-scale international effort underway now to keep this Ebola confined uh confined to an area around Kickwit, but we now know it's in at least three other towns.
I'm getting some uh pretty serious facts is people saying they've heard news reports that uh there may be cases in Italy or there may be people getting treated for uh something like Ebola in Italy now.
The death toll, uh, we don't know.
The numbers go up, the numbers go down, NBC said hundreds are sick.
The CDC, when it went into Kickwit, found a damn frightening scene.
A hospital there completely abandoned.
All health workers, doctors, nurses, even the patients that could make it out all fled for parts unknown.
It's hard to imagine what would make a doctor and a nurse with something that was not airborne and was treatable with caps, gowns, sterile procedures, what would make them flee that way.
Hard to imagine.
NBC described Ebola as entering the body through membranes, throat, eye, nasal passages.
It begins, they said, with a headache, high fever, then massive bleeding from every orifice of the body, as all, I'm quoting, as all internal organs literally disintegrate.
90% or 9 out of 10 of those infected die within three weeks.
It's not slow.
Official CDC word, WHO word, is expressed by somebody like Dr. Ralph Henderson, who said, quote, we're not expecting this epidemic to last very long and things it'll be under control shortly and end quote.
Well, that wasn't really a quote.
I should have put quote marks.
He said, quote, we're not expecting this epidemic to last very long, end quote.
The obvious implication there that why not to worry?
Dr. Jonathan Mann, on the other hand, quoted on NBC, a Harvard School of Public Health official, said, quote, health officials who play the role of downplaying the potential for health effects to cross our borders or borders are ignoring historical and scientific reality, end quote.
Now, we're talking to Lindsey Williams about it, and coming back in to the show now, and as so many of you are just coming, let me read you the official Reuters news story that just cleared minutes ago.
All right?
Zaire slapped a quarantine order on the town at the heart of an outbreak of the rare but deadly Ebola virus on Thursday, and the governor of Kinasha closed the capital to anyone traveling from the area.
Did you hear me?
The governor of Kinasha has closed the capital to anyone traveling in the area.
This is Reuters.
Former colonial power Belgium said that it too had taken steps to ensure passengers arriving by planes from Zaire did not bring the virus to Europe.
With a third Italian nun reported killed by Ebola fever in Zaire and doctors reporting 20 suspected cases now in a second town there, international medical experts fought to contain the virus, which, like AIDS, is transmitted by blood or bodily fluids.
I have barred all movement of people into Kinasha from Bandudu, I believe it is, province.
That's according to the governor there.
If the disease, he said, penetrates to Kinasha, that will be a catastrophe, he said, adding that the mortuary in the city of 5 million people had room for 150 corpses.
The government declared Kikwit, where the virus surfaced in March, a disaster zone, slammed a quarantine order on the town of 500,000.
Quote, the movement of people either entering or leaving is subject to sanitary control.
Interesting statement.
Zaire and WHO confirmed Ebola was in Kikwit.
A WHO spokesman in Geneva says the U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention did identify the virus in blood samples from Kikwit.
Health workers are particularly at risk, it goes on.
Experts from WHO, the CDC in Atlanta, the Pasteur Institute in Paris now, and the National Institute for Virology in South Africa are in Zaire to try to curb its spread by handing out sterile gowns and other protective clothing and equipment to hospital workers.
So there you have it.
That's the latest Reuters.
And then this, if you're considering the magnitude the story is beginning to attain, from Vern in Sarasota, Florida, the following facts art, CNN has just moved the Ebola virus story to the top.
So according to Vern in Sarasota, CNN is now leading with the Ebola story.
And if that is true, and the others follow the other networks, that would mean in a space of two days that I've told you to watch this story, it has moved from a bare mention, and also mentioned, to the middle of the news, to near the top, and now at the top of the news.
And all of this has occurred very quickly.
Now, I'm going to let Lindsay Williams, my guest, recount for you the differences that he believes exist between what the CDC and WHO are saying and what he knows to be the case.
So there you're caught up.
Lindsay, if you would sort of recount what you know that people are not finding out elsewhere.
Art, the Ebola virus is the most lethal virus that medical science has ever come in contact with.
90% of the people who contract it die with it.
They die within three days.
It's a horrible death.
One medical professional described it on a radio talk show that I was on this morning as something that is worse than burning, which they say is the most painful death that a person probably can experience.
And they say that Ebola is equal to it, if not worse.
Now, in what I read you from Reuters, they're still talking about, well, there was an expansion because Kikwit, of course, is surrounded there by the military at the moment.
but uh...
can i show now has closed off travel and has that Would you give us the source of that again, please?
As of three hours ago, because we've been on the air now for about an hour and a half, two hours, as of three hours ago, public television in Minneapolis, Minnesota, a person called me just prior to going on your program and said that they were doing a documentary on Ebola, and they announced that it had just taken place, that they had broadened the scope of the quarantine from Gitwit to include 6 million people.
Now, not 600,000, as is in the town and vicinity of Gitwit, but it has now been broadened to 6 million, an area of 6 million people quarantined.
That took place only a matter of hours ago.
The definition of Ebola, or the description of Ebola, written in a book entitled The Hot Zone, prior to the outbreak, when there was no reason to be fearful of panic, and when they could still tell the truth before it ever happened, I'll read it.
It is called Ebola virus.
And if it were to crash into the human race, as HIV, another African virus, has done, 90% of the human population could be wiped out.
It is airborne.
It is extremely contagious.
There is no vaccine, no known cure.
It is so lethal that even space suit-clad biohazard experts are reluctant to come near it.
A nurse described airborne to me this morning over a talk show that I was on, called in and said, let me give a definition of airborne.
A person coughs or they sneeze.
Normally you would put your hand up to your face if you're in company.
Then in turn, that hand would touch a doorknob.
The nurse said, any person within seven feet of you, even if you're talking loud and your mouth is open and some particles come out of the mouth, within seven feet a person could be described as contracting what you have airborne.
So we need to understand the definition of airborne.
Now, if you want to say the airborne is that you've got to, well, let's say they're saying it's not airborne, but we've got to go back to what the true definition of airborne is from a nurse.
Now, I was talking this afternoon with the owner of one of the largest herbal companies in America, supplement companies, and it seems that they have three doctors on staff to make sure that they do everything meticulously perfect.
One of their doctors was in contact with a friend of his at the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta, Georgia this afternoon.
And the person there stated that the equipment that they were seeing go out of the Center for Disease Control with the people who are going to Zaire indicated a major disaster.
He said they are not taking just ordinary equipment that they would take along for something simple.
He said this is major.
And he indicated to this individual that he felt that all of the precautions and the equipment and everything that was going out indicated that many, many people, more people had died than what had been indicated in the news media.
No, he did not give a number because he could not confirm anything and he was fearful to say anything further.
But it was stated so well in the New York Times, quote, health officials around the world, including those of the United States, have long been known to lie about confirmed outbreaks of communicable diseases, September 27, 1994.
So why shouldn't we take this as what's happening right now?
All right, to retrench this ground, and then we're going to the phones, Lindsay.
I think they do lie, and I think they should lie.
I've thought a lot about this, and I just can't see what positive effect it would have for them to tell the American, let's say that it was airborne, let's say that it's not at all in control, or that there are no good prospects for controlling it, and they can draw all the lines and the sand they want over there, it's going to keep on trucking.
What value would there be to tell the American people that, put them into a steep panic, and with God knows what results?
In other words, it's not going to help anybody find a cure, and I'm sure they're working hard on that or a better way to stop it.
If anything, panic would probably spread it faster.
Well, Art, I'm glad they aren't telling the truth.
In fact, if there happens to be any person listening tonight from the Center for Disease Control, my advice would be please don't tell the facts exactly as they are because this is the most lethal virus that medical science has ever come in contact with.
We who have been lecturing on this subject for the past two years and writing books and articles on it have hoped that this particular one, the Ebola virus, would not break out.
I mean, I hope this doesn't go any further.
I want it to stop right where it is.
Let's take something like Strep A and the place eating disease and go back to simple things.
No, I don't want people to misinterpret airborne as in the sense of one person being able to give another person a flu by sneezing or coughing in their immediate environment.
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well actually the flu is most often transmitted by physical contact by touching a hand or something like this that's why you can wash your hands and minimize Well, what I'm saying is an aerosol is a finely devised mist.
It actually has a micron size in order to be considered to be an aerosol.
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On behalf of the millions of Americans who will have no choice but to remain within the continental boundaries of the U.S. during your upcoming vacation, I have but one request.
Don't go!
I first discovered your program way back during the Ross Perot presidential campaign, phase one, and have been an avid listener ever since.
This is an addiction, by the way, that not even Narconon could put a dent in.
Over the years, however, I've noticed something about you that verges on the downright spooky.
Every time you leave town, all hell breaks loose.
Now, I don't know if you've got a secret team of psychic advisors that warns you in advance of impending disaster, at which point you discreetly leave the country.
Thanks, sir.
Or if your own inner voice lets you know when it's time to pull the D ring.
Oh, my God.
All I know for certain is that while you're out of the country, I'm not going anywhere near Mount Rainier.
All kidding aside, I think, I hope you and your XYL, that's ham language for white, have a grand time while you're away.
And that your part of the country is still intact when you attempt to return.
Thank you very, very much.
The conservative realist, he calls himself from KBI Como Country.
The last few pages are pretty hairy, especially where I think it's page 127 where they have this whole list of emerging viruses from all over the world.
And since the first case of, let's say, Marlburg, which is the elder sister of all these viruses, of these Ebola viruses, first appeared in 1967, this is going on 30 years that this has been happening.
And I'm so glad that he mentioned the fact that we're not only facing Ebola, there is a multitude of different things out there that have mutated, and the human race is facing them because of the overuse of antibiotics and our weakened immune systems, AIDS.
Would we be better off, Lindsay, never to have developed antibiotics?
I mean, arguably, they saved millions and millions of lives, and with infections that at one time killed you, now with antibiotics, those infections are treatable.
And yet you're saying at the price of saving many individuals, all of us may eventually die, or most of us.
This is a nightmare for a writer, an author, and a lecturer such as myself who has researched this now for a number of years.
This is something that we hoped would never take place.
And I was looking back through my notes here when I mentioned to you early in the program that I was on KFYI today with Barry Young in Phoenix.
And he handed me in the middle of the program, And I was looking back over it.
I must read this.
The assistant director, Mr. Ralph Henderson of the World Health Organization, said there is no treatment or vaccine for Ebola, but that the spread could be stopped using the simplest of nursing procedures in the hospitals.
Now, why are they sending spate suit-clad individuals from the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta, Georgia to Zaire to bring back specimens if it could be stopped by the simplest of nursing procedures in hospitals?
Each time I've seen Ebola try to start up, I compared it yesterday to a car engine that won't start.
And you keep turning over the engine, you keep turning over the engine, you don't get an ignition, but then finally, oh, happy day, you turn the key, and that engine starts to roar.
And I've been afraid that that would be a good analogy with Ebola, that it kept trying to start and kept trying to start.
One of these times, it was going to find the right massive brush to make its spark in, and away we go.
I would like to be able to say Lindsey Williams was a prophet two years ago when I was one of the first ones to have a lecture on this across the nation in public.
And I'd like to say that my videotape, which we did one year ago, where we prophesied this would happen, isn't for real.
But it's so drastic now that one week ago, when I was in Seattle, Washington, we had a studio come in and videotape me for one hour giving the very latest of all of these mutations, including some of the facts about Ebola before it actually broke out two days ago.
And later on in the program, maybe I can tell the audience a little bit about this because we try to give the background to it.
What I would like to contribute is I cannot begin to corroborate enough what your guest is saying about health, your intake of the right foods, herbs, and what have you.
Reason being, I did all sorts of research last year when my sister was dying of leukemia.
And it's just such a long shot for anybody to recover from that kind of medical treatment.
And I cannot stress, people don't look at food enough as fuel as they do just for palatable enjoyment.
There's just so much more to get from it.
And the best that medicine can do is help your body to heal itself because they do not cure anything.
Eventually, it's your body that does it.
And as far as antibiotics go, where they have helped as far as focusing on one thing, they also reduce resistance in other areas that your body would be able to fight a lot stronger.
But not only that, that health food store downtown L.A. will still help that immune system eat some, even though he must live in the midst of that pollution.
There are organic vegetables out there now that didn't exist a few years ago.
There are organic meats that didn't exist a few years ago.
We can't Go back to the family farm of 40 to 50 years ago, but we sure can do the next best thing.
And it costs a whole lot less than the doctor's bills.
Well, this is what I was referring to a moment ago.
I'm so glad to hear you advertising Pycnoginal.
These antioxidants are a positive bust in our modern day world of so much pollution because we're coming in contact with everything from electromagnetic pollution to pollution in the air, water, everything imaginable.
These free radicals.
And I would highly recommend what our colleague just talked about and what you're advertising on your show tonight is excellent.
I wouldn't be without it.
And as far as the I'm not going to mention a product name, but as far as the name of the substance that you just mentioned, I started taking something to do away with free radicals just recently myself.
And there are some excellent products out there right now.
And if we can help to give that body something to promote its own immune system with, there's some things in phytochemicals right now that are exciting.
Well, the subject matter that we're dealing with tonight is something that only started up two days ago as far as being a real, what should I say, realistic.
I mean, it's here for the first time it's come into being.
Probably you remember, Art, last time that I was on your show, I was covering the total gamut of all of these new microbial mutations.
And, of course, you and I both have agreed tonight that it's best that they not necessarily tell all of the facts to the American public because it possibly could cause a panic.
The trouble with such a policy is the following, Lindsay.
If the CDC, if the American people come to simply not believe what they say, then at some point there could be an outbreak of something like this, Ebola, and they would be automatically disbelieved, even if in that particular case it happened to be true, there might be a panic anyway.
I wasn't even born the year Orson Welles aired his show that fateful Halloween night.
I know how terrified his listening audience was then and the havoc it created.
I kind of keep waiting for your announcement of how the, quote, Ebola syndrome, end quote, is a fictional excerpt from your latest book.
Somebody pinch me, please.
The trouble is, Denise, I guess somebody better pinch you.
I wish I could say that to you, that what we're covering this morning has been a big joke, and it's not real, and it's sort of one of those Halloween night type things, but it's not, is it, Lindsay?
Oh, I feel exactly like the person who sent you that fax.
When my neighbor came over the other day and said, did you catch the news this morning?
I had just flown in from Seattle the night before.
I was dead tired.
I didn't wake up and look at it the first thing that morning.
I had hoped that I was not hearing correctly.
I thought, well, surely they're trying to tell me that somebody is doing a takeoff on the hot zone or maybe outbreak.
And I didn't want to watch the news that afternoon because we who have dealt with this subject matter of deadly mute diseases and microbial mutations for the last year or two have been hoping that reality that we talk about would not necessarily become reality.
But the University of Wisconsin is, giving an example of the question that you asked a moment ago, it seems that I only use one of two things.
You'll remember from the previous broadcast that I had the privilege of doing with you, I used a multitude of things from many different sources.
But yet those who wrote back prior to the outbreak said it is airborne.
So why not use that as a method of calming people's fears?
Because the mere word airborne itself Strikes panic in some people's minds because they think, oh my goodness, the wind is going to take it miles over to my house.
Now, it may be just that particular strain of Ebola that was airborne in that fashion, but I think there was pretty good documentation that it infected those monkeys from room to room, and the only common thing was the air service.
And a very similar case took place with the new strain of tuberculosis that is drug-resistant.
And this, of course, was a story in Time magazine of September the 12th, 94.
It talks about this upper-class community of Westminster, California, right outside of the outskirts of L.A. 16-year-old Vietnamese immigrant, did not know that she had the new drug-resistant strain of TV.
Entered the school, 400 young people, 30% of the student body.
The whole story is right here in Time magazine.
30% of the student body finally tested positive for TV and 12 tested as having the new strain of drug-resistant TV.
It's the same as flying on an airliner, and 80% of the air is recirculated.
A person coughs that hasn't been diagnosed yet as being positive with this new strain of TV.
It gets into the air handling system, and many people in the airplane are contaminated in a matter of a few hours' flight.
This is the scenario of airborne that I think we're trying to interpret.
You know, Lindsay, I guess I'm going to ask you to comment on something.
It's probably unfair to ask you to comment on it.
And it's a question born of that call.
everybody asked it with aids and they will surely ask it of ebola and all other major diseases of this kind although evil was the worst arm from god from nature from from uh...
I don't quite know how to answer, but yet possibly I could say man creates his own demise, and we can't necessarily expect God to bless our mistakes.
We brought a foreign source into the human body in the form of antibiotics, which was never a method of building the immune system, but a method of tearing it down.
And now we wonder why all of a sudden we have created microbial mutations that are becoming a plague to humanity.
I think we have to blame humanity on this and not throw the blame off on God.
Do you think even since the big scare that has become within the last week or so about the Ebola, do you think even if there was an outbreak now that we would even hear about it?
Or do you think they would try to cover it up to try to, you know, the public wouldn't have a panic?
Conn, Lindsay, I can only imagine what's going on in Washington.
Now, look, they're responsible in Washington, and our government is.
And our government, you know, they're dealing with this right now.
God, I hope they are.
President's out of the country, fine time.
And it seems to me that something as drastic as stopping, until we know more, stopping all traffic to and from the African continent would be considered, I mean, as even a minimal public health measure to ensure it does not escape that continent if it's not already too late.
I mean, these are the kinds of things they ought to be talking about back there right now, aren't they?
Art, I have been so concerned about all this, and I know tonight that we've stuck with the subject of Ebola.
And I have dealt for a number of years now with the total picture of all of these mutations.
Everything from AIDS to TB to the mystery illness with the Persian Gulf men, to the hunter virus, the Pool Corner's mystery illness, flesh eating disease, the SREPA, what happened in Minneapolis, Minnesota just recently.
And all of this has been my expertise.
I felt such a moral obligation to try to present this from a professional standpoint that a number of medical professionals across the country worked and helped and interviewed to try to tell the story of how it began 40 to 50 years ago and how we have created this medical nightmare.
And now what we can do about it with some actual solutions to the problem.
So the person out there in the listening audience can know that we don't have to go to bed tonight or maybe not go to bed at all for lack of fear.
But there are some answers to all of this.
So last week, well a year ago I produced videotape, did the best I could with it, but we found out that there's so many new things now and so many new methods, so much more that we need to consider.
One week ago, we went in a studio in Seattle, Washington, and did what I believe is without a doubt the most dynamic videotape.
And the reason that we have to do it on video is because it must be seen.
You can't lecture this over an audio tape.
This is something you have to go into the laboratory.
You need to look into the microscope.
You need to see the cultures being grown.
And all of this in a one-hour videotape describing why all of these mutations have taken place, dealing with each of the new ones that are out there right now.
All right, I'm going to hold on to you for 30 more minutes.
I just wanted to be sure we got all that out because so much of the content is so serious, Lindsay.
Hold on.
We'll be right back with you.
I'm going to take an hour with my audience because I am going on vacation after this program this morning.
But we'll do another half hour of your phone calls and Lindsey Williams, subject.
Subject, I'm sorry to say, Ebola.
We'll be right back.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 11, 1995.
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The End You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 11th, 1995.
And a person would have symptoms that are cold, flu-like, and then, of course, they develop into more and more drastic symptoms.
The subject tonight has come up a number of times about airborne.
I'd like to quote from a red book.
You wouldn't expect this in a periodical such as this, but it was a July 1994 edition.
Since we get into the general scope of all of these different mutations, he's talking about AIDS, and the title of it was A New AIDS Mystery.
Let me just read one or two statements here.
No one wants to discuss them, but 688 people in the United States, some of them children, claim to have contracted AIDS without Knowing how, no sex, no needles, no blood transfusions.
Could there really be another means?
Now, this same thing I think we can take over to the Ebola scenario that we've got tonight.
Where really did they get it from?
And they say airborne, not airborne.
Well, it sure appears to be communicable in some ways besides just the way that we're being told they are.
Art, I hope, let me stress again, maybe I'll punctuate it somehow to the listening audience and also to you tonight.
I hope that this Ebola doesn't go any further than what it is right now.
I mean, it is scary.
I don't want it to.
We're all hoping that it doesn't take place, but we need to know the facts so that just in case it does, now Ronald N. Jones, a very prestigious individual, he's the professor of, the director of the medical microbiology division of the Department of Pathology, University of Iowa.
He published just recently in the medical magazine, Diagnostic Microbiology and Infectious Diseases.
He got 48 of 43 labs across America to cooperate with him.
He took every one of the major diseases known to man today and listed them on one side of the page.
On the opposite side of the page in his medical article, he listed the number of modern-day drugs, antibiotics, and vaccinations and so on that these things have become immune to will not affect them anymore.
At the end of his article, he stated, the severity of the danger has been suppressed.
Well, I wouldn't do any of those things that the person has just listed.
I would start immediately doing everything I can to take all the supplements possible, eat correctly, and build that immune system as fast as I can, and then get out there and help all these other people who need help because they are going to be in a drastic state, but they'll be panicked.
Well, how about all the news media that are going to want this shocking story and get pictures which have not yet been shown on any newscast that I have watched?
And what about all of these people that panic, that are already living there, who do have enough money and are affluent enough that they can flee the country as fast as possible?
I would so much rather deal with this new strain of TB or the new strain of strep A. The goodness sexualistic was something that at least it's reasonable.
If we are lucky, and when I say we, I mean the human race, if we're lucky this time, and this Ebola breakout is able to be controlled, and I pray and you pray and we all pray, we should, that it is controllable, then maybe we had better take a lesson from how close we came.
Because right now, the way I look at it, we're very close.
This is very frightening, very scary, and very real.
So maybe a good point ponder next hour would be, if we manage to survive this, where do we go from here?
And I believe there was a man, a scientist at the end, who said that we needed to remember as human beings, as people on this planet, that the Earth does not belong to us.
We belong to the Earth.
And I thought that was a really profound statement.
And I think situations such as this remind us that we're just all part of nature.
Well, with Ebola, this is so drastic, but now with the other microbial mutations, which I have mentioned on your earlier program and which I talk about in this videotape, those mutations are coming about as a natural response to the overuse of antibiotics, to the vaccinations that have been given all of these years, and to the weakened immune systems.
And it would have happened regardless of what might have taken place otherwise.
Yeah, but you know, Lindsay, you're going to talk maybe even tens or hundreds of thousands of people out there into switching their lifestyle right now, and they'll begin to eat better, and they'll begin to pay attention to what you've said.
But the larger picture is, let's face it, the use of antibiotics is going to continue.
The development of new antibiotics to fight the new diseases is going to continue, and you, Lindsey Williams and Art Bell, both know that.
That's going to take us into superbugs, which in turn will need super antibiotics, which will mutate again into super-superbugs.
And the end result will be, as one doctor said to me very privately the other day, he said, Lindsay, we're scared to death because we know as a medical profession that we are in trouble.
And they're talking it privately, just like they're talking about this new fungus that is in the operating rooms of some of the hospitals of America, which I deal with in my videotape.
Yeah, and there's no disinfectant that will kill it.
And as the doctor said to me in Mesa, Arizona the other day, he said, Lindsay, people go to the hospital, have a successful operation, and go home and die from something that they contracted in the hospital because it has mutated and there is no known disinfectant.
The first article to ever appear on it was in the Arizona Daily Sun, Blackstaff, Arizona.
And now they don't know what to do about it.
Medical professionals are scared to death.
Now, it's things like this that I deal with in my videotape.
I hope that Ebola subsides and does not go any further.
We still have a multitude of microbial mutations out there to deal with that people need to know what to do about.