April 23, 1995 - Art Bell
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What we do is examine things not so neatly put in a box. | |
| And we will do that this evening. | ||
| My guest following Linda Howe, who has a report on HAARP, one that many of us have been waiting for, the HARP Project in Alaska, will be Ted Flynn. | ||
| And he will help you do an examination of prophecy as the Catholics see it between now and just a little bit after the year 2000. | ||
| So that's the lineup for this evening. | ||
| I think you're going to enjoy it. | ||
| Get a cup of coffee, sit down by the radio, and prepare yourself. | ||
| We're going to be doing a lot of things this evening, so get yourself set. | ||
| Many of you helped Hal, and I believe she's got something on Project HARP. | ||
| Good evening, Linda. | ||
| Yeah, Art. | ||
| This past week, Sonoma State College in California announced on national public radio the results of its project censored a list of 10 most important stories of 1994 that went largely ignored by the general media. | ||
| On that list of 10 important stories was Project HAARP, which I have reported about since last fall. | ||
| HARP is the government acronym for High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, originally run as a joint program by the Navy and Air Force through Phillips Laboratory at Hanscom Air Force Base near Boston, Massachusetts. | ||
| Its stated public goal is to create the world's most powerful ionospheric heater, which will beam power at the ionosphere for a variety of uses, including communications with submarines and aircraft, and 3D imaging of the North American continent to look for, quote, underground tunnels, structures, and shelters, all of this taking place from a site in Gakona, Alaska. | ||
| Linda, let me interrupt just for a second. | ||
| Underground tunnels and shelters. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, the man I interviewed gets into this, and remember when I talked with program manager John Hecker four months ago, he described this wording that was in the 1995 Defense Authorization Budget in a Senate bill in which Heckscher, | ||
| the program manager for HAARP, explained to us that he had no congressional funding for 1995 without Pentagon approval from its Counterproliferation Division, which was supposed to embrace this idea of looking for underground tunnels, | ||
| shelters, and structures, because, as Heckscher said, someone had put that wording in the Senate Defense Authorization Bill as being imperative to HARP going forward, but he himself said he was not certain about what those words intended. | ||
| Now, so far, we're in April, and in the last four months, residual 1994 monies have been used to test HAARP in Dakona, Alaska, even firing the equipment up to one gigawatt of radiated power. | ||
| Today, I talked with a co-author of a new book about Project HARP scheduled for July release entitled, Angels Don't Play the HARP, spelled H-A-A-R-P, a new look at Tesla Technologies by Nick Begich and Gene Manning. | ||
| Nick Begich was born and raised in Alaska as the eldest son of the late Alaska Congressman and United States Senator Nick Begich Sr., who disappeared without a trace along with Congressman Hale Boggs on October 16, 1973, in a private plane en route between Anchorage and Juneau. | ||
| Since then, Nick Begich Jr. has had a great concern in the environmental issues in Alaska, is currently employed by the Anchorage School District, and has devoted several years now to studying issues in Alaska and felt that Project HARP was too important not to devote a lot of time and research to and has produced this book with Gene Manning. | ||
| Today, he talked to me about the evolution of HARP from its beginning in a company called Arco Power Technologies Inc., also known as APTI, to new ownership this month, April 1995, by the huge defense contractor named Raytheon. | ||
| And this is Nick Begich. | ||
| All right. | ||
| That report now from Linda Howell. | ||
| Eventually. | ||
| Here it comes. | ||
| I don't know why it's not reporting. | ||
| It's not reporting. | ||
| Well, it should. | ||
| That's strange. | ||
| Just a minute. | ||
| I mean, everything was playing before fine. | ||
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Oh, there's a guy named Murphy knows all about this. | |
| I don't know what's happened here. | ||
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Is this? | |
| I don't know. | ||
| Oh, okay, Arthur. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay, here we go. | ||
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What originally occurred with HAARP technologies is, first of all, APTI was formed in 1986, 85, 86, and it was formed around the ideas of Bernard Eastland. | |
| What happened is ARCO, Atlantic Richfield Corporation, formed a subsidiary basically to develop these patents, which are essentially a ground-based Star Wars system. | ||
| That's the only way you can describe it. | ||
| And APTI stood for? | ||
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It just stood for ARCO Power Technologies Incorporated. | |
| Okay. | ||
| That was in a lab that Heckshire at Hanscom Air Force Base and Phillips Laboratory, they were working in coordination with APTI on the development of HARPS. | ||
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Correct. | |
| And what happened is APTI was a nothing organization. | ||
| The only thing they owned was a couple of government grants, 12 patents, and that's it. | ||
| They never made a profit. | ||
| And yet they come in and they show in the record that their annual sales, whatever that means, was $5 million a year. | ||
| And yet they come in, they compete against Raytheon, one of the Biggest companies in the world and Penn State for this contract to construct HAARP. | ||
| And they win the contract, which at the first phase was $25 million, and the second phase estimated at $150 million. | ||
| So, how does a $5 million company out of nowhere come in and grab this size government contract? | ||
| The only way they can do it is if they have proprietary information of such a nature that that's what the government wants developed, and the only way they're going to get it developed is to bring these guys on board. | ||
| Which were the patents? | ||
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Which were the patents. | |
| And so APTI swings into the game. | ||
| They get through, you know, and they were looking for a way to generate huge amounts of power because ARCO Power Technologies' mother company, ARCO, owns trillions of cubic feet of natural gas on the north slope of Alaska, which most of these patents cite as the ideal location for the construction of these particular kinds of facilities. | ||
| So they get to contract, they go into the first phase, they get to the near the completion of the first phase, and e-systems comes in and buys them out. | ||
| This was June 10, 1994, according to the New York Times article that we were able to find on the subject. | ||
| And could you please explain e-systems? | ||
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E-Systems does $2.1 billion in annual sales, $1.8 billion, according to an article in the Washington Post in October of 94. | |
| $1.8 billion is for NSA, CIA, and military security organizations. | ||
| Of that, 800 million are black projects. | ||
| Projects so secret, not even the Congress knows what they're for, but they're funding them. | ||
| So eSystems, and they were recently in February were featured on 60 Minutes as one of these super secret, quiet companies that nobody hears anything about that are huge amounts of taxpayer money being plowed into programs. | ||
| I mean, the company was founded to provide CIA a vehicle to work through to develop technologies, and they developed this huge, huge base to work from. | ||
| And then what happened, April 3rd of this year, Raytheon, who at the time was 52 on the Fortune 500 list, a huge, huge military contractor, most of their profits derived from military contracts for missile systems, bought e-systems out, lock, stock, and barrel for 41% over the currently traded market price on the stock. | ||
| So essentially, APTI, this little anomalous company, gets absorbed by this huge company, e-systems, that gets absorbed by an even larger alligator, Raytheon. | ||
| And now you've got APTI's measly 12 patents buried in the midst of thousands of patents and huge government projects. | ||
| And yet, what does Raytheon gain by this is a huge, huge jump in technology for weapons systems, for weapon systems, defense systems. | ||
| Based on those patents that APTI owns. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| And is he admitting that it is Tesla technology? | ||
| No, they are still denying that any of this is tied together. | ||
| And when you measure their words in the various departments of the government against the words within the contract and the technologies and the patents, there's no mistaking what this is. | ||
| They can deny it all they want, but the facts speak for themselves. | ||
| And anyone who reviews these patents will come to the same conclusion that we have, is this is not the kind of technology you want administered in the United States without oversight by independents to see what effects it might have on human beings who live here. | ||
| Now, why do they want to do 3D imaging of the Northern Hemisphere? | ||
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Well, there were, say, underground nuclear facilities in the Soviet Union, and we had a non-proliferation agreement with the Soviet Union, and we decided by mutual agreement that we would position hardware on the ground in the various countries under the agreement, and then using this broadcasting system, we would be able to detect any underground facilities so that we would know where they were and if they were lying or anyone was cheating on these agreements. | |
| Or we could use it in a more localized area like in Iraq right now where the in fact, Hexcher brought this up in our interview with them, that wouldn't it be nice to be able to take this technology to Iraq and then find out where all these underground facilities are? | ||
| And the answer, yeah, it probably would be nice to find out where, but maybe this isn't the way we want to do it because the spin-off effects of using this technology might be so dangerous that we might be hurting ourselves in doing that, and we might be hurting a lot of other people that are innocent. | ||
| But if it is applicable to things like the Middle East and finding underground structures where Saddam Hussein is hiding out or others, why is it that counter-proliferation in the Pentagon has not embraced HARP so far to get funding going forward? | ||
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That's an interesting question, and I really, I can't fathom the answer. | |
| I mean, the only thing that I can think of is it's a big project. | ||
| There's limited amounts of money, and perhaps something that they weren't brought in on from the beginning, and they may have some resistance to spinning off a chunk of their money to some new technology that they really haven't been a part of developing. | ||
| And when Eastland went after the technology and applied for the patent originally, it was declined. | ||
| And he had to go in and prove that, to the satisfaction of the patent examiner, that it worked. | ||
| And as soon as he proved it worked, the Office of Naval Research sealed it under a secrecy order for a year. | ||
| Well, they played games with it, and then they released it, and then we have HAARP. | ||
| And here we are. | ||
| So Nick Begich and Gene Manning will self-publish their new book about Project HARP in July. | ||
| And I have a number for a mailing list they're putting together because they are doing this book on their own because they feel it is so important to get information about this out. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Go right ahead. | ||
| And the number for information about this new book is area code 907 in Anchorage, Alaska. | ||
| And the number is 249-9111. | ||
| Again, 907-249-9111. | ||
| And the title is Angels Don't Play the Harp. | ||
| A new work at Tesla Technologies. | ||
| Angels Don't Play the Harp. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| All right. | ||
| That's excellent, Linda. | ||
| And everybody wants to know more. | ||
| Well, I'm going to keep at it. | ||
| And one of the interesting footnotes is Nick Begich has tried as an Alaska citizen working in a school system in Anchorage to get Senator Stevens of Alaska to give him any information that Senator Stevens has on the process and the project of HARP and has not gotten any returns to his calls. | ||
| And to date, I have called Senator Stevens' office in Washington at least a dozen times. | ||
| I have talked with administrative assistants. | ||
| I've been telling them I would like to at least get on the record from the horse's mouth the senator in Alaska who would be involved with, at least I would think, some of the funding efforts for HAARP. | ||
| And to date, I cannot get a response. | ||
| I do not know if that means that Senator Stevens is nervous about this. | ||
| Linda. | ||
| Or what? | ||
| Linda, you're on the air all over Alaska right now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So if, you know, if you want to encourage Alaskans to do something, now's the time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I think that writing Senator Stevens in Washington, D.C. is certainly an important step. | ||
| And also getting in touch with Nick Begich and Gene Manning at the number I just gave out. | ||
| And for people who also would like to get in touch with me about any news concerning HARP or any news in any of the phenomena that we cover on Dreamland, I welcome your correspondence to me, Linda Howell, at Post Office Box 538 in Huntingdon Valley, Pennsylvania. | ||
| The zip code is 19006, and my fax number is area code 215-491-9842. | ||
| And maybe later on in the program, you might give that out again, Art. | ||
| I will. | ||
| And I will stay on HAARP and keep up, I hope, with all these other interesting stories that are unfolding around us now concerning Loswell and others. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Thank you very much, Linda. | ||
| We'll talk with you next week. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Take care. | ||
| That's Linda Howe, and she is probably the world's foremost expert on crop circles and animal mutilations. | ||
| Now, this comes from the internet, and I'm going to read it to you as is with one addendum. | ||
| Flash, for immediate release, time-urgent news. | ||
| Be aware that on Friday, April 28th, British TV documentary producer Ray Santilli, possessor of the Roswell 1947 saucer crash retrieval and E.T. Autopsy military film, will hold a world press conference to reveal what the films show. | ||
| Colin Andrews has seen the film and has been given a clip. | ||
| He is told Sergeant Major Robert Dean he thinks the film is authentic. | ||
| A copy of the film is now being examined by a pathologist M.D. from the British Home Office, the equivalent here in the U.S. of the State Department. | ||
| The British Broadcasting Corporation is producing a TV documentary on the film that Mr. Santilli possesses. | ||
| Now, that date, April 28th, may have been changed to May 5th. | ||
| Linda Howe is going to try to get an interview with Mr. Santilli to air on this program next week. | ||
| Don't miss it. | ||
| No guarantee about that, but she is actively pursuing that. | ||
| Also, I want to drop this in very quickly. | ||
| There are about 14 pictures or photographs now, computer photographs, that are available, and there are now four or five what are called nodes to serve you. | ||
| So if you have had a difficult time getting through to get these computer gifts, try again. | ||
| Here's the information. | ||
| The bulletin board service with all of these related photographs, ghost photographs, the photographs of the Mexican UFOs, the Roswell Film photograph, the Face on Mars photograph, the Ghost in Louisiana photograph, the Billy Meyer saucer photograph, and so many more, many photographs of myself, my wife, and as a matter of fact, there's one in there of me when I was 13. | ||
| Here's how you get them. | ||
| It should be easier to get through now with more nodes. | ||
| Area code 702-727-1709. | ||
| It's open 24 hours a day. | ||
| 702, let's see, area code 702-727-1709. | ||
| When you get to the main menu, after giving your name and such, simply hit JSP11. | ||
| JSPA 11. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
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Do you remember a time each day more than 3,000 American children smoked their very first cigarette? | |
| I didn't know that. | ||
| Is that an accurate statistic? | ||
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Nationally, at least 3.1 million adolescents are smokers. | |
| Oh, you must be kidding. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
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The majority of smokers are hooked before they're 15 years old. | |
| No, that's not possible. | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| Smoking, an equal opportunity killer. | ||
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First-time callers, area code 702-727-1222. | |
| Or the wildcard line at 702-727-1295. | ||
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| It certainly is. | ||
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| Stand a fire and watch it heat up well. | ||
| Adding up. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Now to Ted Flynn. | ||
| And as a matter of fact, I'm not even sure where Ted is. | ||
| Ted, first of all, welcome to the program. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Where are you, Ted? | ||
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I am right now in my home in Herndon, Virginia, where I reside. | |
| Herndon, Virginia. | ||
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Which is about 20, 25 miles right outside Washington, D.C., very close to actually Dulles Airport. | |
| You're probably not very far from that now-famous monkey house. | ||
| Are you the one where the Ebola virus was thought to have gotten out? | ||
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Well, matter of fact, they wrote a book on that. | |
| I think it was called Hot Zone. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And the next town is Reston, Virginia. | ||
| That's where we're about a whopping five minutes from that. | ||
| I see. | ||
| Well, it would have taken about a whopping five minutes, I suppose, for that awful thing to have reached you had it been something that infected humans. | ||
| Boy, that was an awful story. | ||
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No, it's amazing. | |
| You know, I've been in the nation's capital area now for about 17, 18 years, and, you know, we'd be the last to know from everything that I've seen. | ||
| Yeah, I hate to agree with that, but I do. | ||
| They wouldn't tell us. | ||
| No. | ||
| All right, Ted, we've had people like Gordon Michael Scallion on this program. | ||
| I don't know whether you're familiar with that name or not. | ||
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Yes, I am. | |
| It's a matter of fact. | ||
| He does prophecy. | ||
| I'm going to have him back on May 5th, as a matter of fact. | ||
| But he has prophesied some terrible things regarding earth movement, earthquakes, that sort of thing. | ||
| And not very far into the future. | ||
| And I have this terrible feeling that the secular prophecy and religious prophecy are coinciding in some way. | ||
| I said to you the other day, and I think it's a great way to open up the program tonight, that there had been a report, and it is confirmed, by the way, Ted, of 33-pound pieces of hail falling in one of China's lower provinces. | ||
| It aired Friday night on the Associated Press. | ||
| I've got the story. | ||
| 33-pound pieces. | ||
| They said it crushed homes, it killed people, quite a number of people, and damaged and turned over cars. | ||
| So it is a confirmed report. | ||
| That's biblical-sized hail, Ted. | ||
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Yeah, that's fairly large. | |
| That's big. | ||
| And your comment to me, I recall, was you ain't seen nothing yet or something close. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What do you mean? | ||
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Well, the geological problems right now and the atmospheric problems are on a worldwide scale. | |
| Over the last just several years, let's not even go five back, but just several, you've had all sorts of water problems in Holland, which is only one of two countries in the world below sea level. | ||
| It is true. | ||
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You've had problems in the Rhine in Germany, the Dnieper in Ukraine, the Sen in France. | |
| Let's not get into anything in the United States, which is, you know, we know those, the Hurricane Andrews, the Arctic cold, you know, the California quakes. | ||
| But if you take a look at this from a spiritual dimension, if you looked at the ten plagues of Egypt, you know, of Moses, it started out, you know, the first plagues that went from gadflies to frogs to locusts to blood in the river to hail. | ||
| And then, you know, the ninth plague of Moses was three days of darkness over the land of Egypt. | ||
| And the tenth was even death to Pharaoh's son. | ||
| If you're looking at it biblically speaking, we are seeing increasing in intensity and severity of all sorts of geological and atmospheric problems around the world. | ||
| And you've got to remember the natural phenomena is subordinate to the spiritual realm, not the other way around. | ||
| And that these sorts of things are happening right now on a global scale. | ||
| And this is what we've been able to see over the last several years. | ||
| And it's increasing every year in intensity. | ||
| So it doesn't surprise me to hear that at all. | ||
| Because I personally think that these things are going to just be much more natural phenomena because these are the signs of our times from a spiritual standpoint. | ||
| When I talk to lay people who do this sort of prophecy, they will say frequently, for example, in the case of Gordon Michael Stallion, I see three possible futures. | ||
| I see one more clearly than the other, and that's the one that most frequently comes true. | ||
| That's what he told us. | ||
| And yet he will also say, it is not something that has to be. | ||
| It is a future that, given the right sort of behavior and change of behavior, can be changed. | ||
| How do you view a future? | ||
| Is our future fixed? | ||
| Is it as suggested in the Bible and nothing will change that? | ||
| Our behavior, our vibes, whatever, nothing will change that, Ted? | ||
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Boy, you've gotten right into the heart of the matter here, Art. | |
| In 1961, there were a lot of apparitions and locations and that sort of thing around the world that were talked about that if things didn't change in the world, there would be chastisements coming to the world. | ||
| And this is purely, you know, from the Catholic perspective, which is what we write about. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Which the thing that we're finding now more and more amazing is that a lot of these prophecies line up with other people, but they're using different circumstances and different events. | ||
| But nonetheless, the final outcome is strikingly similar, stunningly similar, for that matter of fact. | ||
| It is. | ||
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And that's the part that literally is some of the reasons what we did. | |
| It appears right now that as long as certain things are going on in the world, in essence sin, as long as this is happening on the scale that it's happening, there will be these things and the die seems to be cast. | ||
| Unless there is right now what is a remarkable turnaround in the spiritual life of the world, and I think the West is a little bit more culpable because it's had free choice. | ||
| It's had the ability to make moral decisions without a totalitarian or fascist regime or communist state telling it what to do, its citizens. | ||
| It's a very interesting perspective. | ||
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The West is more responsible and more culpable. | |
| It has had the ability to make choices and has chosen the wrong path. | ||
| This is the reason why it seems the die is cast, and unless this spiritual state is reversed, what appears to be very, very rapidly, it seems as if they will happen. | ||
| One of the aggravating circumstances, Ted, there are, I think, about 1.5, 1.6 million abortions a year now in America. | ||
| I take it your view would be that's a big, aggravating circumstance. | ||
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It is the single greatest. | |
| What we've done is we have compiled in what is a mini encyclopedia in the form of stories from apparition sites and that sort of thing around the world. | ||
| And it happened actually by mistake, but why we did it, because we just saw some trends. | ||
| And the thing that we saw throughout, as long as abortion exists, there will not be change. | ||
| And the severity and in the intensity of these chastisements or tribulations to the world will actually increase, not decrease. | ||
| You mentioned 1.5 million here. | ||
| We've had what is estimated since Roe v. | ||
| Wade in 1973, over 35 million plus. | ||
| But that's just here in the United States. | ||
| In the former Soviet Union, where I was in and out of over 14 to 15 times for up to a month at a clip in 1990 through 1994, very frequently, because of some projects I was involved in, the average number of abortions in the former Soviet Union, those 15 republics of about 285 million people, the average number of abortions per woman is seven. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
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And OBGYN over there is simply an abortionist. | |
| And I don't think I ever met an individual, a family, or a woman who had not had an abortion. | ||
| It's not just America, then. | ||
| No, and that's it. | ||
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You know, we tend, when we leave our home in the morning, we go to our place of employment, we go to our ball field, we have our entertainments, we have our exercise, we have our routine. | |
| We can many times think that the world is basically, you know, from our home to our office and the gas station in between. | ||
| It's a big world out there. | ||
| There's 5.2 billion people that basically, the moral state of the world is in the East, it's as bad as in the West. | ||
| What we have lost through affluence, we have lost all sense of divinity and spirituality in the West through principally affluence that we think we no longer need that. | ||
| The East has lost it in suffering. | ||
| So collectively, we are principally right now a lost world. | ||
| And that is the reason why some of these things seem to be happening. | ||
| These are the signs of the times around us. | ||
| And America is the greater violator because of its affluence, because of its ability to choose its freedom? | ||
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Well, you know, America and the West, I don't think you could separate a lot of other places, you know, especially Europe, where you have such a high standard of living. | |
| But, you know, you speak about things of biblical proportions like, you know, this hail. | ||
| Nations, all through history, if you've looked at Toynbee, who have traced the story of civilizations, the historian Arnold Toynbee, as a nation has reached affluence, it has, by and large, lost its sense of divinity and spirituality because in its own mind, it doesn't think it needs that because it's become independent through its affluence. | ||
| It doesn't matter the day. | ||
| There was an explosion, as you well are aware, in Oklahoma City, killing many, many, many people. | ||
| In retaliation, we believe, for something the government did in Waco, Texas, where many burned. | ||
| It seems now a cycle of retribution and violence. | ||
| In Rwanda, I turned on the television earlier tonight. | ||
| They now think as many as 8,000 were killed, and they're throwing them into mass graves. | ||
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This was just in the last day or two, I think there wasn't it. | |
| That's right, Ted. | ||
| You pick the day. | ||
| You pick the day, and it's becoming more violent. | ||
| It's becoming more difficult to understand. | ||
| I call it the quickening. | ||
| Events appear worldwide to be accelerating at a very rapid pace, Ted. | ||
| Accelerating, quickening, if you will. | ||
| And I take it that's right in line with what you see coming. | ||
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It's impossible right now for us to process, for instance, we're a generation that has images flashed to us. | |
| The movies are fast, the action's fast. | ||
| And it's the MTV generation which is being even duplicated on the network type things of constant action. | ||
| It's impossible for our mind to even begin to process what's happening unless we see the news in Rwanda. | ||
| But, you know, we can't know. | ||
| But it's happening at a breakneck speed. | ||
| It's virtually impossible to begin to even process of how quick this is all happening and what is in the social realm, the political, the economic, the religious, et cetera, et cetera. | ||
| It's absolutely incredible. | ||
| Ted, I'll note something else for you, and maybe this fits right in. | ||
| I've got an affiliate in Oklahoma City where this horrible thing occurred. | ||
| The people in Oklahoma City are still very much in shock and sorrow and grief. | ||
| The rest of the nation, while still very upset about this, has been watching it now for days on their television. | ||
| The television brings us an endless series of disasters and human misery on a scale that's hard to comprehend. | ||
| And frankly, people begin to get numb. | ||
| They get numb. | ||
| So we have different reactions. | ||
| One in Oklahoma City, where it's really occurring and the scale of misery is hard to even understand. | ||
| And another in the rest of the nation, where they watch the children burn in Waco. | ||
| They watch similar disasters, perhaps not quite the same, every single day, and they begin to get numb. | ||
| So the reaction of the rest of the country seems to be somewhat different and more numbed than that in Oklahoma City. | ||
| Ted, hold on just one moment. | ||
| Contemplate what I just said, and you may want to react to it, and we'll be right back. | ||
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| Back to Ted Flynn. | ||
| Ted, we're not far from the top of the hour. | ||
| Chastisement, I'm not a deeply religious person, so you're going to have to help me through a lot of this, Ted. | ||
| Chastisement, I take it that means big pieces of hail and so forth. | ||
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Well, that would be the physical form of it. | |
| I mean, if you were right now in Somalia, you'd think you're in chastisement. | ||
| If you're in Bosnia, Herzegovina, Haiti, and about a hundred other places in the world where there's either border skirmishes, wars, internal fractions, etc., and somebody was sniping at you, that would be a chastisement. | ||
| But the part I don't understand, Ted, is, if anything, they're generally the innocents compared, say, to the way you've portrayed people in this country. | ||
| Rich, possibly even some greedy, no doubt, a country that's lost track primarily of its spiritual self. | ||
| You would think if there was going to be big chastisement, it ought to be here, not on the poor people in Somalia. | ||
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Well, that would be the very logical part of that. | |
| But it's difficult to explain many times the logic and the reason for when and where and how. | ||
| You know, you were just mentioning before you get off the Oklahoma thing that we've been seeing now on the news every single evening. | ||
| What's happening right now to where, you know, around the world, we're really becoming desensitized to a lot of this material because we're seeing it so frequently. | ||
| There's a numbing. | ||
| And this is why kids can go out and shoot kids. | ||
| And, you know, kids are bringing in a classroom a pistol, a notebook, and a pad, you know. | ||
| I mean, you know, they've got only a few things just right around here, just in the next county, last week, a gun went off in the classroom. | ||
| And this is not isolated stuff. | ||
| You're going to begin to see more and more violence, even greater than what is happening right now around the world. | ||
| And it's going to be principally focused on the inner cities because of the tension that exists there. | ||
| But this sort of stuff, when you are as a nation, let's just take the United States. | ||
| In 1962, we took prayer out of the classroom. | ||
| Yet they say a prayer in Congress before every session. | ||
| They would say they allow it there, but in the classroom, you can't have any sort of even a moment of silence legally. | ||
| 1973, we had Roe v. | ||
| Wade, which legalized abortion in the United States. | ||
| The roots of violence are centered in spiritual things. | ||
| That if there isn't any sort of spiritual dimension in a person's life, the fruits are what we're now seeing in Oklahoma and in Waco and other parts of the world. | ||
| There's a total stripping of a person's identity from the spiritual. | ||
| So that's why you're seeing the news like it is every night. | ||
| But when you were brought up, I'll bet, you know, you could leave your bike on your front lawn and you were able to. | ||
| Oh, Ted, it's true. | ||
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It's not the same America anymore. | |
| We'll be back with Ted Flynn in just a moment. | ||
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It's about Catholic prophecy. | |
| And you know something? | ||
| When I was much younger, I guess the biggest scare that I've ever had in my whole life was a movie called The Exorcist. | ||
| Never will I forget that. | ||
| It is imprinted in my mind indelibly. | ||
| And I'm not exactly sure why it scared me the way it did. | ||
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I think it had to do with the fact that the Catholic Church does do exorcisms. | |
| That it happened. | ||
| And that it, well, I just don't know. | ||
| I can't tell you why, but I've seen all manner of horror movies that you can imagine, and that scared me the most. | ||
| And somehow, this morning's program fits into that category. | ||
| Ghosts, goblins, things that go bump in the night, but somehow or another, when they're connected to the church, it's really scary. | ||
| Then to the news, this hour was full of Rwanda. | ||
| Thousands of victims being plowed into shallow graves, death on a scale we can't imagine. | ||
| And then they wound it up with a story that I think is worth repeating. | ||
| You go figure on this one, but up in the northeast part of the country, at some gathering, there was some fellow who dressed up as Big Bird. | ||
| You know what Big Bird is? | ||
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You know, PPS Big Bird. | |
| Everybody knows what Big Bird is. | ||
| For some reason, unexplainable, a lot of youth began to swear at this costumed Big Bird and then ended up attacking him with baseball bats. | ||
| Baseball bats. | ||
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Big Bird. | |
| Rwanda. | ||
| Prophecy. | ||
| Moral deterioration. | ||
| We'll get back to Ted Flynn in just a moment. | ||
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| Now, back to Ted Flynn. | ||
| Ted, I intentionally left the pot up on the news so that you could hear it. | ||
| And you must have heard roughly what I heard. | ||
| If there is, if these are end times, I just think that listening to each newscast underscores everything you've been saying. | ||
| Do you feel that way? | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| You know, to think, you know, I'm actually in finance and marketing, was living in Europe, former Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, over, you know, really about the last five years. | ||
| And, you know, this isn't something that we, you know, woke up one day and said, listen, let's write a book on this. | ||
| But we had had a magazine that wrote about a lot of this phenomena on a quarterly basis. | ||
| It was my wife's magazine. | ||
| It's called Signs of the Times. | ||
| And the thing that struck us most was to see the similarities of these messages, to see that this material, Waco, Texas, the thing that I guess that cult leader was just stabbed to death, as we just heard. | ||
| The seren gas attacks. | ||
| I mean, we could go to the middle of the moment. | ||
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It goes on and on and on. | |
| This material that these people have been speaking about, which we call the Catholic prophets, and by the way, they're in the major religions. | ||
| They're people who all throughout the world saying much of the same thing. | ||
| That this material is tomorrow night's news, it's next month's news, it's next year's news, and it's going to be news in five years, in three, four, five years. | ||
| We're going to have famine. | ||
| We're going to have more race wars. | ||
| We are going to have a crash that is on, an economic crash that is going to be huge. | ||
| The entire world is tied into each other right now. | ||
| During the, what was it, 1987, October 87, where the traders in New York were watching their screens of what was happening on the Nikkei and Hang Seng. | ||
| They were looking at the London Exchange. | ||
| They were all around the world because our economies are all tied into each other. | ||
| The major automotive companies... | ||
| John Major in England, in Britain, about less than a month ago, said that the world is so intertied with computers and satellites now, economically, that no nation-state will be able to stand by itself. | ||
| And he said $1 trillion can change hands overnight, and that events are occurring at such a rapid pace, economically, that the entire world's fate is tied together. | ||
| So that has already occurred. | ||
| The setup for what you're talking about is already in place. | ||
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The stage is totally set. | |
| We could get into any country. | ||
| I was just in Canada a month ago. | ||
| As a nation, the Canadians have twice the debt per capita as we do in the United States. | ||
| Now, they're very, very small. | ||
| Yes, I guess about 90% of them are within about 100 miles of the U.S. border. | ||
| Now, if you want to take a look at Mexico, where we just gave, through the IMF and government guarantees and loans, about $20 billion, if we gave Mexico $20 billion tomorrow morning, they'll need another $50 billion by dinner. | ||
| As a matter of fact, nothing is going to turn Mexico around. | ||
| It's too far gone. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| The $20 billion didn't even, there was a one-day spike in the Mexican stock market, and the peso kept right on falling. | ||
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I just came back last Wednesday from being in Puerto Rico, Santo Domingo in the Dominican Republic, Costa Rica, and Panama. | |
| I spent 14 days in those four places cumulatively. | ||
| And the stories that I was hearing about Mexico were almost unbelievable economically to where in one state in Mexico alone, 5,000 restaurants are closing or closed. | ||
| And this is the man that I was with in Panama who was born and brought up in Mexico. | ||
| His family's still in Mexico, and he is a very large distributor of goods in the canal zone, up in the Colon area. | ||
| And the stage is set economically, politically, socially, and financially to where we're all tied in. | ||
| And when one go, the other has to prop them up. | ||
| And this is, in essence, what is being spoken about. | ||
| We really have a one-world government and a one-world financial system right now pretty much put in place. | ||
| And this is why the messages are saying what they're saying, because we're in deep trouble. | ||
| And, you know, take what's happening in Southern California, Northern California with floods, and a great deal of the country's produce. | ||
| I've actually heard it's a very, very high percentage of all of the country's produce. | ||
| I'd be a little reluctant to say because I'm not sure. | ||
| But if you have a serious economic or some sort of geological problem in California, it will affect the world. | ||
| I remember when I was doing a lot of financial work just about five or six years ago, I saw that California, as a state, had the eighth largest GNP in the world, the eighth largest gross national product. | ||
| I believe that it accounts for about 20% of the gross national product of this country. | ||
| It's about 20%. | ||
| Right. | ||
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It's huge. | |
| That means, you know, you get the G7 nations, the largest seven nations in the world that lend money. | ||
| California is about the eighth largest country in the world, if you put it in perspective like that. | ||
| Yet in one of the top 100 businesses in the eighth largest country in the world, pornography's in there. | ||
| And that center of all pornography for the United States was the epicenter of the earthquake, Northridge, California. | ||
| All right, Ted, look, I want to stop you there. | ||
| Every line I have is ringing. | ||
| People want to talk to you. | ||
| Let's let them get on the line. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Ted Flynn. | ||
| Where are you calling from, please? | ||
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Madison, Wisconsin. | |
| Yes, sir. | ||
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First of all, Ted, thanks a lot for being on the air. | |
| I've been a Catholic all my life, and I've had a very unusual life. | ||
| I've been plagued with nightmares and visions that I never really understood. | ||
| I've been plagued with nightmares and visions that I never really understood. | ||
| Thank you to perhaps verify something that I have, I guess, been feeling all my life and only recently have begun to completely understand. | ||
| I communicate a lot with this show. | ||
| I probably should buy Art a new fax machine since I'm sure I'm one of the major people who burns it out regularly. | ||
| But I really believe that there's going to be a pole shift. | ||
| And the reason I believe it is too long to go into on the air. | ||
| But I note that even in the book of Isaiah, there's mention during the Battle of Armageddon that the battlefield freezes and the earth reels and rocks to and fro. | ||
| And a famous Swami named Yoganandi years ago once told his disciples that after a pole ship, the new equator would run from Boston, Massachusetts through Fairbanks, Alaska. | ||
| And if you put a string around a globe and mark that, you find that the Middle East, where I believe Armageddon will occur, actually becomes a pole. | ||
| So I'll hang up and hear your answer off the air. | ||
| And thanks a lot, Art, and thanks a lot, Ted. | ||
| All right, thank you. | ||
| A pole shift, scientifically, it's been explained, would basically, in many areas, not all, but in many, simply wipe things clean. | ||
| Ted? | ||
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Well, I'll tell you, when you get into the specifics, I feel uneasy on certain things. | |
| For instance, we are told that there are secrets to many of these people, which has been very much standard throughout history. | ||
| Many of these mystics receive secrets. | ||
| Many of them receive visions. | ||
| Many of them are able to tell things only at certain times as they are under spiritual direction, which is a very healthy thing. | ||
| Here's what we do know. | ||
| There is going to be an event, or several events, or cumulative events that are going to change the world as we know it. | ||
| Now, one thing we do say, and I'm always reluctant to say this, but it's in the messages, and it dates back all the way from the 5th and 6th and 7th century. | ||
| There's going to be three days of darkness over the world. | ||
| Now, for those who don't think that can happen, that was the ninth plague of Moses, and it speaks about darkness in Isaiah, and it speaks about darkness when Christ was on the cross for three hours, and it also speaks about darkness in Revelation. | ||
| There is going to be some sort of catastrophic event that is bigger than almost anything in the world that is ever seen, that is going to change life as we know it. | ||
| Now, in that, it's also said two-thirds of humanity in the world perishes. | ||
| That's very, very consistent. | ||
| And I don't even have a clue to how to explain this other than the fact that, you know, I'm in finance, you know, for years, up until just maybe the last year or two just by events. | ||
| But the greater the frequency of any event, it decreases the possibility of chance. | ||
| And this is being said all throughout the world. | ||
| Anybody who's ever gambled, anybody who's ever been into statistics, probability, mathematically, the greater the frequency of an event, it decreases chance. | ||
| And this is what I mean by the sociological. | ||
| There's a sociological phenomena totally devoid of spirituality that if you don't even believe anything spiritually, but if you're intellectually honest with yourself and read these messages, it's been happening because it shows it's true. | ||
| Statima, Rwanda, and Medjagoria and Yugoslavia is just many, many examples. | ||
| All right. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Ted Flynn. | ||
| Hi. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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I was listening to your show when they were talking about the three days of darkness. | |
| Yes, where are you calling from? | ||
| Seattle, Washington. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Actually, Lake Stevens, Washington. | ||
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Yes. | |
| I have been hearing some things about the Earth coming into the photon belt. | ||
| I'm not real sure what it is. | ||
| It's real hard to find any kind of literature on it. | ||
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I'm wondering if your guest knows anything about it or if you have heard anything about it. | |
| But when the Earth goes into this photon belt, there will be three days of darkness. | ||
| Anything electrical will quit working. | ||
| And I'm just wondering if you know anything about that. | ||
| Fascinating. | ||
| I've not heard, Ted. | ||
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See, that's interesting. | |
| I've never heard of the term photon belt. | ||
| But it's interesting. | ||
| Several of the messages, again, I'm not a scientist. | ||
| And all that we do is we analyze and research what we think are the major prophecies, the major prophets, the major apparitions. | ||
| And you have said. | ||
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And then, well, write them down. | |
| Yes, you have said, Ted, there will be no scientific explanation for what occurs. | ||
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That's correct. | |
| Science will not be able to explain it. | ||
| And it specifically says when you get along the lines of the warning and the miracle that it will undeniably be a spiritual event explained spiritually. | ||
| Well, that'll be good for the earth. | ||
| Ted, stand by just a moment. | ||
| When we come back, I'm going to ask him about something close to the heart of this audience. | ||
| And I think you may be surprised. | ||
| Maybe I will be surprised at the answer. | ||
| But we'll ask him about UFOs. | ||
| You may think your home's your castle, but no. | ||
| Back to our guest, Ted Flynn. | ||
| Ted is talking about Catholic prophecy. | ||
| Ted, a lot of people in this audience, because of the nature of the program, have seen UFOs. | ||
| Many claim to have been abducted by creatures from elsewhere, dimension or physically elsewhere. | ||
| What are these UFOs from the Catholic point of view? | ||
| What are these creatures from a Catholic point of view? | ||
| Do they exist? | ||
| What is your view? | ||
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I don't have a great deal of familiarity with UFOs, but if I were to, and first of all, what the Catholic view is to UFOs, I don't think I've ever read it, and I'm very, very well read in philosophy, theology, scripture, and some other things. | |
| So I don't think I've seen anything. | ||
| But if you take a look that, you know, there are angels, there's a heaven, there's a hell, and there's different dimensions. | ||
| In Scripture, any single time a person came in contact with an angel, there is generally an initial, some sort of startled response or some sort of response of apprehension, or could this be, am I seeing something? | ||
| But generally what happens immediately, the angel will say, fear not. | ||
| And generally then there is a period of great peace. | ||
| Wherever there are angels or some sort of heavenly bodies, there is great peace. | ||
| And this is the sign of a spirituality from God. | ||
| It's the real thing. | ||
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Peace and love. | |
| That you can, you know, it's not dissension, it's not disunity, it's not anger or fear. | ||
| From what I've read about UFOs, and I'm not particularly up on the subject, but generally about UFOs, of what I have read in just kind of general press, there's been mutilations. | ||
| That's right. | ||
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There have been certain, many times, organs cut out, oftentimes I believe sexual organs. | |
| That's right again. | ||
| Crop marks of even in very, very large fields and some sort of symmetry and some sort of order even to those. | ||
| I take it you would generally not think of these things as angels. | ||
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I don't see because many of the times you mention abductions. | |
| That's right. | ||
| There is generally fear around a great deal of these UFO sightings. | ||
| There's disunity. | ||
| There's all sorts of what I would think many times are negative words. | ||
| That answers the question very well indeed, Ted. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| We're at the bottom of the hour. | ||
| Ted Flynn is my guest. | ||
| His book, The Thunder of Justice, if you'll get a piece of paper, we'll tell you how to get it in a moment. | ||
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The Thunder of Justice This hour of Art Bell was recorded for rebroadcast at this time. | |
| Here's Art Bell. | ||
| Now again, here I am, and boy, have I got a mind-curling question for Ted Flynn. | ||
| So get ready, Ted. | ||
| I've got something for those of you who like something a little different. | ||
| All right, Well, here's yet another one. | ||
| Ted, with what has occurred in Oklahoma City, well, first of all, as you may know, militias have formed up in many states around the country. | ||
| Gatherings of people who, for whatever reason, are training and preparing and generally fear the government. | ||
| It's a hot topic on my weekly show. | ||
| And it now looks as though the government is going to, at one level or another, move against these militias. | ||
| It is a very dangerous time in America. | ||
| What do you see coming of this? | ||
| There are those who suggest it could be the beginning of a social revolution of some sort, that there could be a lot of bloodshed. | ||
| How does it figure in, Ted? | ||
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Well, it's interesting. | |
| Watching the news over the last several nights, you can see that the Michigan military militia is the one that was spoken about most prominently because these people are from out in that area or had some sort of affiliation with it. | ||
| If you take a look at what they're about, they are basically a group or groups of people in the United States saying that the government is encroaching on our freedoms. | ||
| That's right. | ||
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They're taking away our liberties. | |
| We're being taxed to the hilt. | ||
| We have Big Brother tracking us through Social Security numbers. | ||
| They can tell where you eat, what kind of socks you wear, all sorts of things through your credit card. | ||
| They have the ability to track really through communications very, very well, that there's a big paper trail. | ||
| They know your health, everything about you. | ||
| And that's fairly simple today, through computers and very large databases on people, through taxes, et cetera, et cetera. | ||
| If you take a look at that in the spiritual dimension, that's going to backfire in that direction too, because many of the people who would be considered to be very conservative see the exact same things, but they just simply haven't taken up arms or are not as militaristic or, in essence, people being as aggressive as these militias. | ||
| You're absolutely right. | ||
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The militias are not that big in number in terms of people. | |
| They talked about 15,000, 20,000 in this. | ||
| I mean, the government's got an awful lot of clout, and it has all of the executive orders behind it to totally control the population at will. | ||
| It does, but Ted, revolutions have been accomplished by tiny percentages of populations, truly tiny. | ||
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Totally agree. | |
| Lenin's a very good example of that, and then they grow into very, very large numbers. | ||
| So is there a big clash that is probably about to occur? | ||
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Boy, it's interesting. | |
| We've been talking about that situation because if you took a look at somebody very conservative that holds a lot of the same views, and you know, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that our freedoms are basically being eroded bit by bit. | ||
| You know, the world will not perish with a bang, but it will go inch by inch. | ||
| And the very conservative movement in the churches throughout the land basically believe a lot of the same things as the militia in philosophy, but not necessarily in execution. | ||
| It's true. | ||
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And that's how I think it's going to backfire on a lot of conservative groups to where, yes, you can see persecution coming right now, I think. | |
| I think they're going to give this guy, it looks like he's the person responsible. | ||
| He's probably going to get the death penalty very quickly. | ||
| All right. | ||
| On the wildcard line, you're on the air with Ted Flynn. | ||
| Good evening. | ||
| Where are you calling from, please? | ||
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Hi, Art. | |
| Randy and Reno. | ||
| What a show. | ||
| Glad you're enjoying it. | ||
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Great. | |
| You know, I've talked to you several times, and I'm a Christian, you know, and a pilot and all this. | ||
| And so I hardly agree with exactly what Ted said. | ||
| The only thing that I would slightly disagree with, I don't believe there's any secrets in the Bible or any secrets that have been revealed to anybody. | ||
| I think everything has really been revealed in the Bible itself. | ||
| But at any rate, I wanted to ask him what he thought about, again, he said he didn't have much interest in UFOs or much knowledge about them, but I just wondered what he thought about that in regard to the rapture and using the UFOs as an excuse. | ||
| All right. | ||
| The rapture, another good subject, Ted. | ||
| Does Catholic theology embrace the rapture? | ||
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No. | |
| As a matter of fact, it's by and large. | ||
| I was involved in the evangelical movement for about, oh gosh, seven or eight years, somewhat in the bowels of it through a movement here, you know, and a very non-denominational ecumenistic ring about it here in the Washington, D.C. area, and familiar with almost all of the literature. | ||
| And the rapture is actually a word that is really not used in Catholic circles at all. | ||
| You know, what's spoken about, and I'm not sure that actually the word is in the Bible, at least that I know of. | ||
| And I never say that, you know, something's definitively in or out because there's a lot I don't know. | ||
| But, you know, where two are in the field and one is taken up and two are in the bed and one is taken up. | ||
| But it's not a word that is really used in Catholic circles at all. | ||
| Okay, well, let's forget the word then. | ||
| We'll update it and use a paroism. | ||
| The great sucking sound in which it's going north rather than south. | ||
| You got it. | ||
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Yeah, hopefully. | |
| But from a Catholic perspective. | ||
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From a Catholic perspective, there is a second coming, which is spoken about in the Creed and is spoken about in Scripture. | |
| It's absolutely there. | ||
| Whether or not there is a rapture to where one go with one being left, I don't know. | ||
| But it is not something that is generally bandied about in any of the messages in Scripture, or I'm sorry, it is in Scripture where somebody goes to heaven as such. | ||
| All right. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Ted Flynn. | ||
| Good evening. | ||
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Yes, Richard, calling from Youngstown, WKBM 57, on JM. | |
| Yes, sir. | ||
| A few questions. | ||
| I'm a doctoral candidate working on my theology degree, and I just. | ||
| All right, would you please get off that portable phone and get on a real one? | ||
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No problem. | |
| All right, thank you. | ||
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Here I am. | |
| Just a quick question, a couple quick questions for Ted. | ||
| Ted, what is your relationship with your local bishop or local Catholic community? | ||
| One, we just happen to have a magazine that is printed quarterly. | ||
| They know we're here, but we're in a county with about 700,000 people. | ||
| Are you in the mainstream Roman Catholic Church? | ||
| Are you in one of the fringe groups? | ||
| Well, as far as mainstream, we would be considered to be pretty much a conservative Catholic in what is considered to be a very conservative diocese. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Do you belong to Archbishop LeFabe's group? | |
| Oh, no, no, not at all. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You know, it's one of the most conservative dioceses, actually, in the United States, though. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What type of theological training do you have? | ||
| It seems like you've read a lot, but have you ever seen it? | ||
| I've read a lot, but actually have no training theologically at all. | ||
| And frankly, for me personally, I'm really not that interested in it, personally. | ||
| I read a lot, but when I look at the scriptures, I kind of see them really as a love letter from heaven to mankind. | ||
| I don't really look at the philosophical side too much. | ||
| Because you do realize, you know, the Catholic Church has a whole teaching office and a magisterium, and we really don't give too much weight to a lot of these private apparitions. | ||
| But that really does not seem true. | ||
| The Catholic Church has, has it not, Ted, sanctioned or I'm not even sure what the right word is, but given credibility. | ||
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Up until Vatican II, you know, most of the priests knew about Fatima and Lords and La Salette. | |
| But really, if you look at a lot of the messages of people like Father Goby, they're really speaking about the church in a state of apostasy. | ||
| And this is why where we are today. | ||
| All right. | ||
| On the first-time caller line, you're on the air with Ted Flynn. | ||
| Good evening. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Hi, turn your radio off. | ||
| And then please tell us where you're calling from. | ||
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I'm calling from Grandpath, Oregon. | |
| All right, K-O-P-E. | ||
| And I love your show. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
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I love your show, and I'd like to hear more about your weekly show, so plug it. | |
| Well, it's on Tuesday night through Saturday morning from 11 at night to 4 in the morning Pacific time. | ||
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That's when I like to sleep. | |
| Anyway, this is my question, because I've been listening in and out as I was cleaning the van and everything. | ||
| And my question is, what do we do? | ||
| What's the good positive side of all this? | ||
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That's a good question. | |
| I was hoping we'd get to that before we close. | ||
| All right, there we are. | ||
| Yeah, that's good, actually. | ||
| As a matter of fact, I had a little note on that because it can be a downer. | ||
| And, you know, there is actually a very emotional side to this that, frankly, I liken to the stages of Kubla Ross's death and dying. | ||
| Denial. | ||
| And I think we're all in different parts of this with her five stages of death and dying, denial, anger, bargaining, depression, or acceptance. | ||
| Once we realize it appears that these events are going to happen, we go through an emotional stage that is somewhat almost, if we're open and we see it, we're going to hopefully get to joyfully living this mystery. | ||
| We're in a deep, deep mystery. | ||
| And hopefully we're going to joyfully get to that part of acceptance. | ||
| Now, how do we do it? | ||
| What's the hope? | ||
| The hope is we are told worldwide, and we talked very early on on how there's unanimous messages from people from around the world. | ||
| The hope is that if we're living the messages, if we're living the gospels, and it's been said by these people that there's nothing new being said that's not in Scripture, these people are always quoting scriptures, and that if we're being obedient, there's absolutely nothing, nothing, nothing to fear. | ||
| It is totally living joyfully in the present moment of the day. | ||
| And that's very reassuring. | ||
| Well, it is. | ||
| Ted, I'm going to make you say it. | ||
| And if people wanted it, how do they get it? | ||
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There is an organization who is the distributor who is actually right next to me in the building, but it's an organization called Signs of the Times. | |
| That is actually the name also of their quarterly magazine. | ||
| It's actually one that my wife runs and she prints on a quarterly basis. | ||
| And it's about 65, 70 pages per quarter of an essence trying to stay up with a lot of this phenomena around the world. | ||
| The name of the organization assigned to the Times. | ||
| It's 109 Executive Drive, Suite D, as in David, Sterling, Virginia, 20166, with the phone being area code 703-742-3939. | ||
| And the facts, the last four digits, are 0808. | ||
| So again, that signs of the times, 109 Executive Drive, Sweep D, Sterling, Virginia, 2016, 7423939. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Now, when is that telephone manned? | ||
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Oh, pretty much from around 8 in the morning till usually around 7, 8 at night. | |
| All right, there you have it. | ||
| Area code 703-742-3939. | ||
| Or if you want facts, the last four digits would be 0808. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Ted, hold on just a moment. | ||
| We'll come back and do the final segment. | ||
| Do you remember a time when you could take a penny to the corner grocery store and be able to buy a nice piece of candy or maybe even a postcard? | ||
| Of course, today, the convenience stores keep a bowl of pennies on the counter with a sign that says, take one if you need one. | ||
| Can the dollar be far behind? | ||
| You really can't buy anything for a penny anymore. | ||
| In fact, a dollar will only buy what a dime would buy just a few years ago. | ||
| The only form of money that still buys everything it used to is gold. | ||
| Over 100 years ago, an ounce of gold traded for $20. | ||
| And with it, you could buy a really nice new suit today. | ||
| Kest mentioned large chunks of ice, actually hail, that fell on China. | ||
| However, no one mentioned the one that fell in Los Angeles last week. | ||
| It was reported that a large chunk of ice fell from the sky and crushed an automobile in Los Angeles. | ||
| The incident is being ignored by the news media. | ||
| That's from Pete in Santa Barbara. | ||
| An odd little thing, indeed, Ted. | ||
| Are there more and more of these odd little things occurring around the world now? | ||
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Yeah, as a matter of fact, the odd things are going to increase. | |
| We're going to see that. | ||
| You know, you mentioned earlier a little bit about time and future. | ||
| Probably the most famous message of all that I actually neglected to mention was the one that this Father Gobi had given to the world in September 18th, 1988. | ||
| And that was? | ||
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And that said that all would come to completion, including the Great Tribulation in these next 10 years. | |
| And it's called the name of the message, which is actually several pages, is called These 10 Years. | ||
| All that I have prophesied since La Select will come to completion, including the Great Tribulation. | ||
| So we're looking, you know, to where it has been said that these next 10 years from 1988 to 98, of which we don't speculate but has been given, that they're going to be very, very tumultuous, catastrophic, and some fairly severe events, that I personally think the extraordinary will become ordinary. | ||
| And literally, almost everything you've played on your news tonight has been along that vein, of which has been flat out, which years ago would have been considered almost incomprehensible to nevertheless believe, but worse watch every night on television, which is the extraordinary, which is kind of the far-out stuff that's being observed every single night on television. | ||
| This will increase. | ||
| It's the quickening. | ||
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That's exactly what it's the birth pangs of Matthew 24. | |
| It's the birth pangs before the second coming. | ||
| It's the birth pangs. | ||
| Ted, we've got to go. | ||
| I don't know how to thank you. | ||
| It's eerie. | ||
| What you've had to say in view of many of the people that I've had on this program from all callings, I'm telling you, what you're saying is eerie. | ||
| Ted, it's been a pleasure. | ||
| I hope you sell a billion books. | ||
| Thank you very much, and we'll have you back again, Ted. | ||
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Well, listen, thank you very much. | |
| I enjoyed it. | ||
| Take care. | ||
| A couple of final notes as we go away here, and they are the following. | ||
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| And from the high desert, good night. | ||
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