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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Building a Time Machine - Mad Man Marcum

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unidentified		You're listening to the best of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		Tonight's program is a rebroadcast from April 18th, 1995.
		Please do not call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be across all these many time zones.
		And welcome to another edition of Coast to Coast AM Live Talk Radio throughout the nighttime.
		It's good to be here.
		We're going to do something a little different first.
		You may recall, I think it was the end of last week.
		Yes, it was.
		Saturday morning.
		I read you a story that was faxed to me by somebody in Columbia, Missouri, and I thought it incredible.
		The story is entitled, Kansas City Man Tries to Build Time Machine on Porch.
		Now, in case you don't remember the general tenure of the article, I'm going to remind you now, Kansas City Associated Press.
		When a Missouri factory worker set out to make a time machine on his back porch, the contraption he came up with was not completely off the mark, theoretically, according to scientists.
		But the high-voltage electrical transformer that Michael Markham had hooked up to two vertical metal rods would more likely have killed him or blown up his house than carried him into the past or future.
		Time travel, though enticingly possible in the mathematics of Einstein's theory of relativity, is not likely in the physical universe, they say.
		They go on, quote, it is a very interesting area, though.
		There are theoretical physicists working on those areas, and I will not say that it's total nonsense.
		This was according to the chairman at the physics department at the University of Missouri at Kansas City.
		But he went on, it's not something that you can demonstrate with batteries.
		And I guess that was Michael's problem.
		So are the Stanbury police, who say the voltage that Markham had diverted into the contraption caused power interruptions in and around the northwest Missouri town of about 1,300.
		Markham had connected the metal rods to the terminals of a transformer, one of six stolen from a utility company, in hopes of creating a large spark gap with ascending electrical arcs.
		Markham was arrested January 29th on a felony charge of stealing the transformers from a St. Joseph Light and Power Generating Station in King City.
		He pleaded guilty last month, was placed on five years probation.
		Police said the transformers had a capacity of 12 to 76,000 volts each, enough to easily cause electrocution or an explosion.
		Markham, who told police that he has two years of college-level electrical engineering, said he was building a time machine, but didn't have enough power for it.
		That's according to the Stanbury police chief, Tom Hampton.
		Hampton said, quote, he's not nuts.
		He appears to be an intelligent person with a lack of common sense.
		Maybe.
		Hampton said Markham told officers he had not tried to enter the spark gap, and neither had anyone else.
		If anyone had, they probably would have been electrocuted, not transported in time.
		Presumably, he decided that if he got enough electricity to go there, he could build a time machine, because there is the concept that if you're going to do it, it's going to require an enormous amount of energy.
		So there it was, and you know me and these kinds of stories and how I'm fascinated by time.
		So I set out to find young Mr. Markham, and I found him.
		I found him.
		It wasn't easy.
		I went through a couple of our affiliates, and then I just started going to phone directories and rooting about, and lo and behold, there was a new number, and it was Michael's.
		And I've got Michael here.
		And so I thought I would ask him, and I did a little earlier today, and we're going to go through it right now and find out exactly what it is Michael was trying to do.
unidentified		we'll get back to him in just a moment Michael, are you there?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
		First of all, had you heard that story before?
		Yeah, the one I just read?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've heard that, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		It's like I'm collecting clippings on it now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you are?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How old are you, Michael?
unidentified		21.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		21.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty young.
unidentified		Yeah, very.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, let's go kind of back through the story like you and I did earlier today.
		This all began.
		Well, why did it, but that's a good question.
		I didn't even ask that.
		Why did this begin in the first place?
		What were you trying to do in the first place?
unidentified		Originally, I just set out to make a fancy Jacobs ladder, and this was like what it turned out to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, a lot of people don't know what a Jacobs ladder is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell them what it is.
unidentified		Simply, in a nutshell, it's like two metal rods with a spark going up in between it.
		And once it reaches the top, it starts back to the bottom again.
		So, that kind of deal, right?
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like from a Frankenstein movie.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		That's like that's where they got started at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, there are ways to do that.
		The Van de Graaff generator, for example.
		You familiar with that?
		yeah uh...
		but you were going to do it with uh...
		So you told me something about winding your own transformer?
unidentified		Yeah, that's what I originally did.
unidentified		And it's like the res it's I like used a l it was like real touchy and what I did was I used a las uh used a laser, a modified CD laser for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's stay with the transformer for a moment.
		How did you wind this transformer?
		How did you do that?
unidentified		Oh, well, it's pretty simple, really.
unidentified		But just take these metal plus stooky metal plates and glued them together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glued them together, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, and there's in most trans the simplest transformers, there's two coils, your primary and your secondary.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And uh and it's it like is it like making a giant ball of string or something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you just keep winding and winding and winding around?
unidentified		Yeah, well, there's like technical things.
		But simply, yeah, simply put, it's like, yes, like your primary coil will have like maybe 400 turns, or it depends on how many watts you want to make it to.
		Right.
		Let's say it's 400 turns in your primary, and say there's 4,000 turns in your secondary.
		10 times the turns, and then you'll get 10 times the voltage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So is that about what you did, 400 and 4,000?
unidentified		Well, the small transformer had to change the 100 and I don't know how many turns.
		I lost count.
		I never thought to count the second, about 450 turns in the primary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you just kept winding?
unidentified		Yeah, until it got roughly 20,000 volts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		20,000 volts?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you went from 110 to 20,000?
unidentified		Yeah, roughly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Roughly.
		All right.
		without, I take it, very much current?
unidentified		Well, actually quite a bit, about roughly...
		It's drawing about 3,000 watts, so...
		Yeah, so I was, I'd say, it was probably about tenth of an amp.
		Tenth of an amp.
		That's considered a mountain.
		It's 20,000 volts pound.
		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'll talk you right on your butt.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then you did this, you built this thing, and you had the arc, and you were able to achieve the arc, is that correct?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so here you have this beautiful arc going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or was it not quite going the way you wanted it to?
unidentified		Well, it was like kind of touchy because it's like the bottom of the metal rods.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Where the spark starts, if they're too close together, the spark will stick.
		But if they're too far apart, it won't work at all.
		So it was real touchy.
		If I moved it a fraction of a millimeter, the thing stuck.
		And if I moved it too far apart, it doesn't do anything.
		So what I set out to do is use the heat from a laser to get it started or something?
		Yeah, like get it going by itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		The heat from a laser, that's interesting.
		So the heat from a laser would attract the spark, sort of?
unidentified		Well, in a way, see, the heat from the laser lowers the resistance of the air is what it does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, gotcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you got this laser by...
unidentified		Well, I practically made it from scratch.
		I took a CD laser and redid all the electronics in it.
		Like, kind of like reinforcing it, you'd say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A CD laser.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you tore apart a CD player?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so then you got the laser.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did it do what you wanted it to do, you know, start the spark?
unidentified		Yeah, it's had some other effects I didn't expect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, and therein lies a story.
		Other effects you didn't expect.
		Like what?
unidentified		Well, it's like that spark's pretty hot, so you're going to have a heat signature right above it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean kind of like a haze, a hazy glow or something?
unidentified		Well, kind of like wavy.
		If you ever like, if you like, take a lighter and like look right above it, you'll see like you'll see the heat from it.
		That's right.
		It's like real faint.
		But I was expecting, I know that it was going to be probably an extra, like, like a bigger heat signature from the laser, but this one was strange.
		Like, almost right above it, it was like the regular heat signature, but it was like a kind of like, it was like almost kind of like circular shaped in the center.
		Sort of like a glow.
		It's not really a glow.
		It's like if you don't really look at it, you can't see it.
		It's like an it's like normal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it like, well, you know, when you're out in the desert in the middle of summer and you see the shimmering coming off a road?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it like that?
unidentified		Yeah, but yeah, but it's like, and normally those are just wavy lines straight up and down, kind of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		But this one I had, the straight up and down ones, they were like, kind of like kind of like circular shape in the center.
		Huh.
		And that was like, it's like, I didn't know what the, at first I didn't know what it was.
		I'm not 100% certain.
		Now it's like, that's what I'm working on now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
		Now, wait a minute.
		You're back at this again?
unidentified		Huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're back at this again, are you?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm just like picking up where I left off, but this time I'm like not doing anything illegal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, we'll get to that.
		When I called you earlier today, you said, gee, it's well you caught me or something.
		I just got out of jail.
unidentified		I got out of jail like I got out of jail March 30th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, March 30th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's pretty much just out of jail.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're able to do this program tonight because you are more or less not employed?
unidentified		Yeah, I got all kinds of free time right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you employed, Michael, back when you got in trouble?
unidentified		When I was arrested, yeah, I was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So did the?
unidentified		In fact, I was like supposed to go to work the next day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, this cost you your job?
unidentified		In a way, because there's like other things branching off this, but my boss thought I contaminated his plant with PCBs, but that's another story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess from the Transformers, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, because one of the Transformers that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're getting ahead of ourselves here.
		Let's go back.
		See, we're with your first small contraption.
		That's all I can think of to call it.
		And you told me something about throwing a bolt or a screw or something.
unidentified		Yeah, a sheet metal screw.
		See, I didn't know what this thing was, and it was like, I don't know, I just got the notion to throw a screw in it to see what it did.
		Because I never saw anything like that before.
		It's kind of like testing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a screw, I guess, would be as good as anything else.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mine might do that too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so you threw a screw into the circular area.
unidentified		Yeah, it's like a couple of I've talked to a couple of physicists.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They call it a vortex, but you threw it into what we'll call the vortex.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, what happened to the screw?
unidentified		Well, I had this thing sitting on a table, right?
		Yeah.
		And I threw it in there, and I didn't see it after that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It disappeared?
unidentified		Yeah, roughly.
		I like did it three times.
		It's like my laser burnt up, so I knew it would do that.
		I just didn't think it'd do it so quick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it probably provided such a high SWR, it's called, standing wave ratio to the laser that it burned it up?
unidentified		Yeah, because I kind of like overlapped.
unidentified		It's like pushing that farther than it was designed for, is what it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you're telling me this thing disappeared.
unidentified		Yeah, it either, that's what I'm trying to figure out right now.
		It did one or two things.
		It went half a second into the future and then it caught up with it, or I made like a real intense magnetic field.
		And that's what I'm trying to figure out right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, this is fascinating, Michael.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really is, because there are aspects of what you have done that are very much like I've interviewed the people who did the Philadelphia experiment, Michael.
unidentified		Yeah, that's what the Montauk Project is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and you're messing with the same sort of stuff.
		You're messing with the same sort of stuff.
		Oh, well, anyway, all right, so continue with the story.
		You got this, it disappeared, you blew up your laser, and then you sat there thinking, wow, I did something different here.
unidentified		Yeah, it's like it freaked me out.
unidentified		It's like at first I thought I was seeing things, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what did you do?
		Go away and think about it for a day or two or a week?
		Or when did you finally get this brilliant light bulb of an idea to build a larger unit?
unidentified		Well, it's like half a second is not very much.
		But I figure if I make a bigger one, it would send it farther.
		That way it could really tell if it's really like if I was sending it through time or if I was just sending it through an intense magnetic field.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what I mean is how long did you think about whether you wanted to build a I'm going to build a bigger one?
unidentified		First I was like after that thing burned out, after all the after literally after all the smoke cleared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Smoke?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, there was sort of a reaction to the screw.
unidentified		Well, no, where the laser, when I say the laser burn up, it literally caught fire, the electronics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Caught fire.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		That's bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right, so your equipment was smoldering.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And it's like I was thinking about just like rebuilding the laser, because the basic part of the laser is fine, but the part of the electronics, they were totally ruined.
		And I was thinking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just rebuild the electronics and try it again.
unidentified		Yeah, that's what I was thinking about doing, but I figured if I'm going to refine, because basically I almost have to start from scratch because I'll build in the transformer.
unidentified		But so I figured I'd make just a bigger version of what I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So wanting a big transformer, you needed a lot of voltage to do this, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
		2,000 volts will arc, but it's like 2,000 volts.
		That's very touchy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And 10,000 or 20,000 volts really arcs?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, it's wattage and make it arc.
		A welder will arc when it's only like 10 volts because there's so much amperage behind it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		But you have to get it real close.
unidentified		It's like at 2,000 volts, it has to be within half the bottom, the space between the rods at the bottom has to be like half a millimeter apart for a arc.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How far apart were your two rods on the first small machine you built?
unidentified		About two inches.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two inches?
		Oh, that's pretty good space.
		Yeah.
		So then it dawns on you, let's build a big one.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So now, I didn't ask you about this earlier, but in order to get enough voltage and current, you needed a big transformer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, it's true the power company has big transformers.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really nice ones.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how did it dawn on you to, what's the word we should use, borrow one of the, or several of the power company's transformers?
unidentified		How did I get the idea for it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, you know, you knew you needed a transformer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did it occur to you?
unidentified		Well, originally what I was going to do is I was originally going to buy them.
unidentified		There's a transformer company in Kansas City that makes them for the power company.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was an idea.
unidentified		Yeah, but it's like I could have saved my money and bought those, but those are expensive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much is a transformer, just out of curiosity?
unidentified		Well, I'll give you an idea.
		When I buy them from the factory, I buy them at wholesale.
		But the St. Joseph Light and Power, the power company I stole them from, they value the six transformers I took, they value them at $13,600 some dollars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
		So that's not shoplifting.
		All right, Michael, hold on a moment.
		We've got a little business to do here, and we'll get right back to you.
		My guest is a very unusual person.
		My guest is Michael Markham, and he's in the business of building a time machine, and now he's going to go to work on it again.
		Wow.
		Michael Markham, back with us in just a moment with more about time travel.
unidentified		Music by Ben Thede
		This is the best of Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell.
		Tonight's show originally aired on April 18th, 1995.
		Please do not call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we'll get to the phones.
		Be patient with me.
		We're talking to Michael Markham.
unidentified		Maybe.
unidentified		Maybe some might be tempted to call him Madman Markham.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, I love this music.
		Back now to Michael.
		Michael, are you there?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They don't call you Madman Markham, do they?
unidentified		I haven't been called that yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just made that up, Michael.
		Don't let it bother you.
		All right.
		So here we are wanting now to build our big...
		Obviously, it was no little entertainment thing anymore.
unidentified		Well, like I said, I'm not sure what this thing was.
unidentified		It was either intense magnetic field or some sort of time machine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, it would have been a combination of electrical and a magnetic field, I guess.
		Yeah.
		So anyway, plans got big.
		You decided you wanted to build a great big one.
		So, according to the story, you had two big poles on your porch.
		Is that correct?
unidentified		Yeah, 3 8 inch metal rods.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How big?
unidentified		I mean, how long?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, mm-hmm.
unidentified		Roughly four feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that would have made a big spark.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Big spark.
		And so you had the rods, and you needed the transformers desperately.
		You probably could have saved up for it, but you didn't.
		You made a mistake.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what did you do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you sneak into their yard?
unidentified		Oh, you mean the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't heist them off a pole, of course.
unidentified		Oh, heck no.
		They noticed immediately they were gone then.
		But these were just sitting by a substation in King City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just sitting there?
unidentified		They've been sitting there for ever since I moved to Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You hated to see them languishing without use.
unidentified		Yeah, well, they were just sitting there rusting.
		And heck, they don't even use them.
		Heck, in fact, right now, they just got them put away for safekeeping, they say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably historical record.
unidentified		Yeah, now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, what did you do?
		Take a pickup truck?
		Those things are heavy, aren't they?
unidentified		Yeah, the biggest one I had, the biggest one I had weighed 350 pounds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, well, then you must have had an accomplice.
unidentified		Yeah, a couple of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A couple of them?
unidentified		Yeah.
		I haven't talked to them.
		Their court date was the same as mine, and they didn't look too happy with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure they weren't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, anyway, somehow you talked them into helping you out in this venture.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you snuck down there, no doubt, late at night.
unidentified		Well, it was right in broad daylight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Broad daylight?
unidentified		Yeah, roughly 11 o'clock in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so in broad daylight, you took the transformers, loaded them up in a pickup truck, I guess?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And hauled them to your house.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you had how many of them?
unidentified		Six.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why six, Michael?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, why did you feel you needed six?
unidentified		Well, originally I just wanted to take a couple of them, but it's like a...
unidentified		Yeah, pretty much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		All right, so you got the transformers to your house, and then you, I guess, hooked up the secondary.
		No, it would have been the primary of the transformer to the poles, correct?
unidentified		Yeah, basically, I just hooked it backwards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right, backwards.
		So the primary was hooked to the poles.
		The secondary, you hooked up to the power coming into your home?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened when you did that, by the way?
unidentified		Well, I didn't get to the big version of it.
		I didn't get the laser part yet.
		I was going to order that from New Jersey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Had you produced a large spark with it?
unidentified		Yeah.
		See, that's another thing, too.
		I was arrested on the 30th, and on February 3rd, I was going to pick up 60 feet worth of cable so I can reinforce the cable to my house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean actually coming in from the pole?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What were you going to do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Climb the pole?
unidentified		Pretty much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Michael.
unidentified		Because I figured if I called the power company and having reinforced the cable in the house, I'd draw suspicion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		Well, I'm sure it would.
		Yes, it would.
		They would want to know why.
unidentified		Yeah, why I'd need a cable that carries 2,000 amps instead of the usual 200.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, so you did, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You nevertheless hooked it up and you turned it on, didn't you?
unidentified		Yeah, I hooked up the smallest one that could hook up without overloading the cable and causing fire.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened?
unidentified		Well, it's pretty just that in itself.
unidentified		It was just like a giant check-up ladder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How far apart were you able to get these poles and still produce the sparks?
unidentified		About 18 inches.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		18 inches?
unidentified		Yes, it was the smallest one I had.
unidentified		It was changed 240 to 12,470.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		12,470.
		So when you did this, according to the newspaper, you blacked out or browned out portions of your whole town.
		Is that correct?
unidentified		Yeah, I was like overloading the power grid because I was drawing more power than I thought it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what got you caught?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was that what got you caught?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		In a nutshell, a friend of mine was at my house as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody squealed on you.
unidentified		I don't know what happened, but exactly.
		I'll probably never know.
		That's in the past.
		I ain't really worried about that now.
		But what happened was a friend of mine from my house shot a BB gun, shot up my next door neighbor's sliding glass door window.
		And I got the cops snooping around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they just happened to see this incredible rig on your porch?
unidentified		No, they came.
		That happened at roughly, I can't remember.
		Heck, this was back in the end of January.
		That happened around noon or 1 o'clock or something like that.
		And they came by with a search warrant at 11 o'clock at night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So obviously they had seen it then and they decided...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, but they didn't have to be to see the porch, did they?
unidentified		Well, it was like the porch was closed in.
		Oh, okay.
		So all the windows were boarded up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		Like stuff like that, like, got to keep out of sight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could it be?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess, Michael, when you started a big gap, an 18-inch gap like that, it would have created an intense white light.
unidentified		Well, let's see, it was a 5,000-watt spark, so it was...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe from your neighbor's perspective, Michael, they would hear this loud.
		And they'd look over at your porch and they'd see this white light streaming out from all the little cracks and places, and they'd get worried.
		Could that be?
unidentified		That's a possibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
unidentified		The main thing, they were like, see, it's like they were like, that's one of the reasons I moved from Stantonbury, because half that time once my head on a pole, I had the feeling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean they don't like you now?
unidentified		Well, it's like, I don't know if this is like, I don't know if this is just another unfounded rumor or not, but like a lot of those people's television sets are ruined and stuff like that because I was like drawing so much power and it was like normally it's between 110 and 120 volt outlet.
		Well, it's like they were estimating this is this what I've heard.
		I don't know if it's a fact or not, but they were estimating I was like bringing it down to like 80 volts, 80, 90 volts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is damaging to electronic gear.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So a lot of people in town with appliances that now our doorstops are probably not happy with you.
unidentified		Yeah, pretty much.
		Most of them, most of it, just like lights would flicker and like dimrope bad and stuff like that.
		But evidently it's people that were just happening to be watching TV when I operated it.
		See, I operated that thing at night, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		That way, a whole lot of people are like, I figured it'd be, well, that's see, these transformers ain't as efficient as I I first thought they would be.
		Uh-huh.
		Yeah, well, it was like drawing a heck of a lot more than I thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot more current?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You weren't going to walk into the middle of that spark gap, were you?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		I was like, if made the big version, if it did the same thing, I was like going to like do something like throw something else for it, like something that's like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something a little bigger than a screw to disappear, maybe.
unidentified		Yeah, like made an orange or something like that.
unidentified		And if it came out like in one piece without getting fried or crisp, then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then you would have walked in?
unidentified		Well, there's other things, too.
		It's like the Philadelphia experiment.
		The people were, like, from what I've heard, people were...
		Yeah, embedded in walls and stuff like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because you can't tell where you're coming back out.
unidentified		Yeah, because you lose your time lock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you have eventually done it if the orange came out okay and then maybe you tossed a cat in or something?
		A cat came out okay.
		I don't want to say that, but I figured wrong because you were going to toss a cat in.
unidentified		Well, if everything else came out all right, like totally unscathed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then the cat would have gone in.
unidentified		Well, I'd probably try something that was alive and small, like a grasshopper or something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be good.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Before the cat.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Michael, hold on.
		We'll be right back to you.
		We're going to find out what he's experimenting with right now, and I may take a couple calls here.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Michael, are you there?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
		Michael, now you're a free man again, out of the pokey, and ready to begin experiments I've just learned all over again.
		You're going to do this again, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, pretty much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you don't give up easily, I'll say that for you.
unidentified		Nope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, what did everybody think of you when you were in jail?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I assume you told them this story.
unidentified		Well, until the media started taking it seriously, everybody thought I was a nutcake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sound sane to me.
unidentified		Yeah, pretty much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little on the wild side, but sane.
		Anyway, so what are you going to do now?
		How are you going to rebuild it, in other words?
unidentified		Right now, well, right now I'm just basically saving my money, and I'm going to do what I originally set out to do, buy them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to buy the transformers?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would be the legality of your using them if you bought them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would that be perfectly legal?
unidentified		Should be.
		I mean, as long as I don't, like, no, I'm like, might get into EPA violations if I take them apart and get oil all over the place and stuff like that.
		But as long as I don't do anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mentioned you lost your job.
		How did your employer think you polluted his workplace with PCPs?
		I mean, you had not taken these apart, right?
unidentified		Well, one of them I couldn't use, and I didn't really want to, like, take it back there and get caught taking it back.
unidentified		So I figured I might as well strip the copper out of it and sell the copper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you took it apart?
unidentified		Yeah.
		And while I was originally, I didn't really just jump it on the porch.
		That was kind of like an accident.
		But I was like taking the oil and putting it in a plastic wastebasket.
		Well, it's like this was like a 3,000-watt transformer.
		That's pretty small for a utility pole.
		But it weighs like 150 pounds.
		And I was like the only one doing it.
		And my finger slipped.
		And I ended up dropping it and dumping like 10 gallons of oil all over the back porch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oops.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And anyway, I ended up getting it all over me too because it splattered.
		And evidently, got all the back porch.
		Well, anyhow, the shoes that I was wearing at the time also were the shoes I wear to work.
		And he thought I tracked PCBs into it where I used to work.
		He thought I tracked them into his plant.
		Tracked PCBs in his plant.
		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that was the end of your job?
unidentified		Well, he didn't really say that, but I have that feeling.
unidentified		Because he asked me who and all was in my house, who and all was around those transformers and stuff like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has the EPA knocked down your door yet, Michael?
unidentified		No, it turns out the transformer I took apart, I tried telling them that, but he wouldn't take my word for it.
		The transformer I took apart is like too old.
		It was darned old.
		It was like too old.
		It was like four PCPs were around.
		It turned out just to be plain old crude oil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sure you were personally relieved a little about that.
unidentified		Well, it's like I almost, I was almost certain that that was all it was because the last time that transformer was even checked was in 1924.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		Well, so you're going to try this again.
		You're going to save up money, buy the stuff, and try it again.
		Are you going to do it on the big scale the way you did last time?
unidentified		Yeah, pretty much.
		Right now, I mean, going to be on your back porch?
		Well, I'm living in an apartment right now, and I'm on the third floor, too, so I'll probably move before I do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That might be good.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That might be good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That might not go well in an apartment.
unidentified		Yeah, plus the power that's going to my apartment is only 10,000 watts, so if I draw more than that, I'll overload the transformer and blow it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just a theoretical question for you.
		Let's say that you produced a time machine, Michael, and you actually managed to go either forward or reverse in time.
		What would you use it for?
unidentified		The time machine?
		Uh-huh.
		Heck, the possibilities are endless.
		Pretty much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess I'm asking, Michael, would you use it to make money?
unidentified		That'd be one of the things to do.
		It wouldn't be the only thing I'd do.
		I mean, give you like give an example, uh uh like uh right now there's like an AIDS plague, kind of like a 20th century black death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		You know, so I don't know exactly when they're going to have like a vaccine for AIDS or anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you might try to bring one back.
unidentified		Uh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good answer.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Um, Michael, um, let me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's true.
		It is true.
		Um let me bring a caller on and see what every line is lit up here, and I'm curious what the audience has to say about this.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael Markham.
unidentified		Yes, hi, this is Maureen from Reading, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hi.
		Unless I'm misunderstanding your guest there and yourself, I am just really blown away by exactly what you have been talking about because I've always been real impressed with you, Art, as far as I've always thought you to be a person of high intelligence, what have you.
		Your guest you've had on your show in the past, I've always been impressed with that.
		But this has got to be the lamest thing I've ever heard in my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't believe it?
unidentified		Well, it's basically, let's teach somebody how to make an atomic bomb, what have you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think about that, Michael?
		How do you feel about that?
		Would you build an atomic bomb if you could?
unidentified		Build an atomic bomb.
unidentified		No, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, see, he wouldn't go for an atomic bomb, ma'am.
		He's talking about time travel.
		Now, what's so bad about that?
		Well, I mean, do you think it's dangerous or what?
unidentified		No, well, I think it's just very dangerous as far as I'm sure some of the listeners that you have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, okay.
		Maybe this will help.
		Maybe this will help, ma'am.
		Listen, everybody, do not try this at home.
unidentified		Well, see, basically, you're going step by step by step.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		We absolutely are.
		That's right.
unidentified		Why are you doing that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why do you think, well, are you worried that somebody's going to do this at home and fry themselves?
unidentified		Of course, of course.
unidentified		There's idiots out there in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but, ma'am, there are people.
		I could interview somebody who walked off a cliff.
		Do you think that that would mean that my listeners would walk off a cliff?
unidentified		I really doubt you would have a guest on there who would try to walk off a cliff.
		I have always looked at you.
		I really admire you, Artville.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now you're disappointed.
unidentified		And I enjoy your show, and you're a very intelligent human being.
unidentified		I am totally blown away that you would have somebody such as the guest you have on tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		Sorry if I'm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the question is, why?
unidentified		Because of the subject that you are discussing, you know, basically there are adults out there in this world who have a childlike mind who will be ignorant enough to try this kind of thing at home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right, all right, thank you.
		Michael?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to hold you over a little bit.
		This is too much fun.
		Now, tell them, Michael, say, don't try this at home.
unidentified		Don't try this at home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Michael.
		Stand by.
		We're going to do a little news, and we'll be right back.
unidentified		Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
		Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
		Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
		From the Kingdom of Mind, this is the Fest of Coast of Close AM with ourselves.
		Tonight shows you the air on April 18, 1995.
		Please do not fall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a guest, and his name is Michael Markham.
unidentified		Affectionately, we'll call him Madman Markham.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he's in Missouri.
		I think he's in Missouri.
		And Michael, I read this story last week, and I'm not going to go through it again, but it's entitled Kansas City Man Tries to Build Time Machine on Porch.
		Now, long story short, he built a small wasn't supposed to be a time machine to begin with.
		It was just supposed to produce an arc and be cool.
		And his small model, which he used a laser from a CD to cause the spark to begin to move up Jacob's ladder.
		It's what it's called Jacob's ladder.
		When he got it all going, he noticed a very strange sort of shimmery effect above the arc, and he threw a screw into it, a common screw, and the screw disappeared.
		Well, now we're into Something else.
		So our hero, Michael, went over to the power company and appropriated, stole, six power transformers, which he then hooked up to his line at home and made a giant model on his back porch using two gigantic poles about four feet high.
		And he got himself a big Jacob's ladder.
		He also ruined a number of appliances, browned out most of the town that he lives in.
		And that, of course, is where the police entered the picture and appropriated Michael's transformers.
		He lost his job.
		He went to jail.
		He's recently out.
		I somehow found him yesterday.
		We've been interviewing him for an hour, and we will continue to do so in a moment.
		Every line is jam-packed full, so a lot of people want to talk to Michael.
		A couple of facts that have come in.
		Here's one.
		Art, all my life, I've been reading books and collections of unsolved mysteries and events.
		Several times, I've come across a story about archaeologists discovering a perfectly machined, completely modern sheet metal screw.
		This screw was embedded in a piece of quartz that is at least 10 million years old.
		This has always been a totally unexplainable, unsolved mystery until tonight.
		Dave in New Brownville, Texas.
		Then this, Great John, if time travel is possible, be aware the Earth, solar system, and universe are traveling thousands of miles per hour.
		If Michael Screws traveled through time, they'd be far from here in space.
		That's from Albany, Oregon.
		And this, I'm going to fax a diagram to you, basically what your guest is talking about, except that it will not work with electrical energy.
		A massive power source, such as your guest is speaking about, would create something that is more than anyone at this time would want to deal with.
		This system was being played with in Colorado, without getting into names, using low-frequency EMF.
		This.
		Hayard, I think the time machine idea is interesting, but did the bolt come back exactly the same?
		Was the bolt analyzed to see if the material had changed at all?
		And on and on and on.
		I've got a whole pile of faxes here.
		Michael, did anybody analyze the bolt?
unidentified		No.
		Just by looking at it, it weighed the same.
		It looked the same.
		It looks exactly the way it did before I threw it in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the bolt literally disappeared from view.
		I mean, when you threw it in and it went into the field, Michael, it, in other words, it disappeared.
		When it came back, was it still suspended in air and then did it drop down or what?
unidentified		Well, like I said, this thing was sitting on a table, right?
unidentified		Normally when you throw something, it'll fall a parabola and land.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Well, I didn't see it go through the air.
		I just saw it appear on the table.
		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you threw it and in mid-air, it literally disappeared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And when next you saw it, it was laying on the table.
unidentified		Yeah, and I did that three times because I figured, well, maybe I'd like miss seeing it go through the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the third time you did it, I take it that's when your laser blew up.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I was like going to that several times.
		I was like, want to turn it off and bar a camcorder and get it on tape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy, I wish you'd done that.
unidentified		Yeah, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, you do, too.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These are always things, though, that you think about later.
		Let's keep perusing the phone lines here and see what people have to say about us.
		It's really interesting.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael Markham.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Stanbury, Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you are the arresting.
unidentified		I'm Tom Hampton.
		Hi, Mike Haydeal, boy.
		Hey, you stood up my diary, don't you?
		You bet.
		Sit here on desk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are the arresting officer?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll be darned.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's great to meet you.
		I don't know if it's great for Michael.
		Are you guys friends?
unidentified		Well, are we friends, Mike?
		Yeah.
		Yeah, sort of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, maybe, officer, you can give us all of this from your perspective.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did you find when you arrived at Michael's house?
unidentified		Well, we knocked on the door.
unidentified		There was eight of us in the cert team.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Eight of you?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		There's one officer in Stanbury, and we had county deputies in Missouri Highway Patrol.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me back up a little, officer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got a search warrant.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, because you suspected something was going on.
		What was the basis of the warrant?
		What did you think was going on there?
unidentified		We had received information that Michael had these transformers in his residence and that they had been stolen.
		And after checking with my local utility, which we have our own utility service here in Stanbury, we found out they were from here.
		We checked with St. Gili Power out of King City.
		And the man didn't know they were gone until we called him.
		And that's where we found out they were stolen.
		And we had, with the information we had, it gave us enough information to go ahead and get a search warrant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you got access to the resident with a warrant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And look at what did you find?
unidentified		Oh, we found Michael asleep.
		Swear we had to wake him up.
		That we found the transformer he'd made into a piggy bank in the, I guess you'd call it a dining room.
		On the back porch was the transformer that he'd used to make Jacob's ladder.
		And then there were four more transformers in a secondary bedroom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so then off Michael went to the Pokey, I presume.
unidentified		Yes, as we call it, the Albany Gilford.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is quite an incredible story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you feel that, I mean, did you think you were dealing with a madman or what?
unidentified		No, I had met Mike, oh, I guess by the second day after he came into the state on another search warrant deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		And talked to him just a little bit that day.
		He appeared to be an intelligent person, what I considered above average intelligence on some things.
		And when he was here in Stanbury, I had calls because people didn't know who he was, a stranger from out of town.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He says he's not particularly welcome in that town now, that a number of people feel as though their appliances may have gone belly up because of his experiments.
unidentified		Well, I haven't personally had any comments of that nature.
		I did hear your earlier part of your broadcast where he browned out the majority of town, which was not right.
		It was just a small section, approximately two blocks, where we had a little problem where the lights would flicker and brown out a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Had this been occurring frequently?
unidentified		No, it actually hadn't.
unidentified		It happened a few times, and it quit happening with that app from Mike that he moved his experiment to later at night when people wouldn't notice it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		Wise decision.
		Well, this is quite a story, Officer.
		I'm absolutely glad you called Michael.
		Is there anything you'd like to ask him or the other way around?
unidentified		Think about it, Mike.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you suggesting that Michael should not proceed to try this again?
unidentified		I personally wouldn't.
unidentified		Because of all the hazards involved, electricity is a very dangerous toy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
unidentified		And it's just one slip, and it's your last slip.
		I wouldn't do it.
		Well, I did like his cigarette lighter he had.
		You might have him explain that to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		His electrical cigarette lighter?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, officer.
unidentified		The one I made out of the microwave?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Officer, thank you.
unidentified		Thank you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We appreciate you calling the arresting officer in the case.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Michael, what about your cigarette light?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's this?
unidentified		Oh, heck, I still got it now, but basically I turned my microwave.
		It's still a microwave, but I made a cigarette ladder out of it, too.
		Out of what?
		My microwave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your microwave oven?
unidentified		Yeah.
		There's like a transformer inside that.
		Basically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You like transformers, don't you, Michael?
unidentified		Yeah, it's kind of like, I guess you'd call it a hobby.
		That's like I've always been interested in those.
		That's like I've always been interested in those things since I was like 12 or 13.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, there were physicists in this article who commented that you were actually more or less on the right track.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they sort of, even though they didn't think you should be doing it, they more or less endorsed the direction you were going in with regard to time travel.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so I'm kind of with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I know the young lady and the officer are saying, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it.
unidentified		Well, they're afraid I'm going to turn myself into fried bacon or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, and you may.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You may.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there is that risk, isn't there?
unidentified		Yeah, because with high voltage, you don't have to touch it.
unidentified		You just get too close to it and you're gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You get in the corona, and that's all she wrote.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's actually what you were talking about doing, ultimately.
		Getting in that corona.
		Yeah.
		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael Markham.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Armmaster Sky in New Orleans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New Orleans, yes.
unidentified		Yes, Michael?
		Yeah.
		Yeah, first off, I think I'd like to party with you, dude.
		What I like about him is asking two of my favorite questions of all time.
		What if we try this, and also why not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really is true.
		And with the comment of the physicist here in the article, I mean, I really do understand his investigative curious mind.
		I'm very much the same way.
unidentified		Right, because anything's possible unless it's already been proven physically not to be possible.
		But just a couple comments and then one question.
		One, I hope you're taking and leaving very good note because, you know, you may send yourself into the wild blue yonder and someone can maybe pick up where you left off, even though we would say we'd miss you.
		And the next thing is, if you do see yourself making progress, I'm sure you'll be taking everything, you know, wisely and step by step.
		Do not let any kind of big company bureaucracy or anything horn in or try and get in on a piece of action because you know what that will end up being like, just like everything else.
		It'll be totally taken away from your control and you'll just be more or less cast to the wayside.
		Yeah, that's what I'm worried about right now.
		I would just move carefully before you make any decision or any step because I've got some government experience.
		And just take a very careful step.
		Don't ever jump into anything.
		And my last question is, next time you get that vortex, I guess for lack of a better word, it doesn't sound like exactly what it was.
		But anyway.
		Best way to describe it.
		Yeah, because, well, anyway, you know what a vortex is.
		What about a digital stopwatch?
		You know, measuring into the hundreds of a second at least.
		You know, chunking that through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there's an interesting idea.
		Thank you, sir.
		He's saying throwing a stopwatch through.
		Now that is interesting, Michael, because if the stopwatch made it out the other side...
unidentified		Yeah, I've got the electronics getting destroyed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there had been, well, even if it's mechanical, of course, then it would be subject to a mechanical field, probably stop it cold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if you could get one through, it might provide you with an idea of whether it actually went through a time distortion.
unidentified		Yeah, like set two of them, like have keep one through the other one for the exact same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's good, Michael.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very good.
		Stay right where you are.
		We'll be right back with you.
		Michael Markham, Madman, Michael Markham, is my guest.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		Groan
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back to Michael Markham.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Michael, were you surprised to hear from your arresting officer?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Me too.
unidentified		That was like quite a coincidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's apparently following your case, Michael.
		Does that make you nervous?
		In other words, he knows where you are now, doesn't he?
unidentified		I don't know if he does or not.
		I think he does.
		I don't know if he knows the exact house I'm in, but I think he knows I'm in St. Joseph.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		St. Joseph.
		We'll see.
		So it wouldn't surprise me, but that he or his friends might be cruising by your apartment looking for strange flashes.
		All right, that sort of thing.
		All right, let's see what we've got out there.
		Are you still the Rockies?
		You're on the air with Michael Markham.
unidentified		Yeah, this is a representative.
unidentified		I got to get my radio art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, turn it off.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm going to turn it off.
unidentified		Just give me a chance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I got it.
unidentified		It's gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling?
unidentified		St. Joe Thursdays.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		I'm calling from Leavenworth, Kansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Leavenworth, all right?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		I would like to say that your guest, I think, is just a little bit nuts.
		He's probably as nutty as I am.
		I would like to make a comment.
		As far as what he's doing, I think he's on the right track.
		But you being a ham radio operator, that's what I am, you have to understand that you also have to have a transmitter and a receiver.
		Do you kind of get what I'm getting at now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess the Jacobs ladder may have been a crude transmitter and receiver in a sense.
		In other words, wait a minute, sir.
		He was propagating this voltage across those two rods.
		And it may have been a kind of a blunder-bus way of going about it, but I can understand that he might achieve the effect he thinks he did.
unidentified		Well, you had a gentleman on one night that was explaining the theories with Nikolai Tesla.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, and I've studied Tesla in depth.
		I've been studying Tesla for a good 25 years, and I'd like to ask your guest a question.
		Where did he come up with this idea that he would use high voltage?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a good question.
unidentified		Where did you?
		You mean for the time machine deal?
		Yeah.
		Well, like I said before, I didn't set out to build the time machine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As is so many times the case with any discovery, you were simply trying to build a Jacobs ladder.
unidentified		Yeah, just like something fancy to watch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just to see the spark go up, sort of be something cool to do.
		No, look, I understand that perfectly.
		Believe me, I understand that.
		And an unexpected effect occurred.
		These things happen.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Michael Markham.
unidentified		Oh, hello, Art.
		Hello.
		This is Chuck in Redmond, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Chuck.
unidentified		I just wanted to call, and I'm so glad I got through tonight because people like us that are messing around with this kind of thing.
unidentified		We've got to kind of stick together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're another one, are you?
unidentified		Well, a little bit.
		I'm mostly my friends, that sort of thing.
		I got into about three years ago, started collecting information.
		I've got a bulletin board, computer bulletin board service where I try to get all this stuff together and get people to talk about it.
		Because I ran into a buddy who originally had taken, he was using a lot less voltage, but he was just using DC batteries, made a couple of coils and was using a police radio that he would key, well, excuse me, a ham radio, a handheld, and he would key it and then tweak through the frequencies.
		And I guess he hit the resonant frequency of the circuit.
		And cut a long story short, he ended up in the loony bin for a little while.
		And he's okay now, but I went down and snuck a tape recorder in to interview him, and I got it all on tape, about an hour's worth of conversation.
		And he told me, he was telling me all about his time travels and how he had gone through this portal and that portal and had to go through 12 worlds to get back.
		And quite frankly, I thought he'd lost it.
		And I'm not even sure now.
		But that was kind of interesting.
		So I did more research.
		And then I presented this to another buddy of mine who fools around with electronics like I do.
		And I said, hey, what do you think of this?
		And at first he stopped, and then he looked at me and he goes, well, I could see how you get some kind of interesting effect out of that.
		And then about two weeks later, he kind of came up to me.
		Well, he came to me and he was kind of pale in the face.
		And he said, wow, one of the engineers upstairs at where I work, which is where they manufacture medical equipment, said that he had taken two four-foot square capacitors out of an x-ray machine and hooked them up to a short length of 12-gauge wire.
		You know, that's very thick wire for somebody who wouldn't know.
		Laid it on the floor and threw a quarter in it.
		And he pushed the conductors together, the electrodes, together until it got close enough to arc.
		I don't want to know how he did that.
		And apparently, after the spark, it disintegrated the 12-gauge wire, and the quarter was reduced to the size of a dime, but a quarter inch thick, and apparently still in good shape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's something, and it's another, yet another effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the case of Michael's experiment, the screw disappeared and then reappeared.
unidentified		The screw disappeared and then reappeared.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here again, I am.
		My guest is Michael Markham.
		He's too young to call him Father Time, so we're calling him Madman Markham.
		Here are a couple of faxes in on the subject, Art.
		No, I don't think you juiced this one up.
		Well done.
		What a scoop.
		What tremendous bloodhound, intuitive tenacity.
		You're one in a million, as is young Michael.
		I predict a great future for him if he doesn't blow himself up or get lynched first.
		I can just see the light pouring out from the cracks in the porch.
		Art, help him find a mentor quickly.
		And then, like he needs encouragement, get this.
		Art, we've done what we estimated to be a 30-kilowatt version of what Michael did.
		However, we did not see the time travel application, but if he needs transformers, we've got them as leftovers from our electrical business.
		Free, if he wants, he provides shipping.
		I'm sure like us, there are many people that have more than what he needs for experimenting.
		He's really talking small-scale power.
		100 kilowatts is just medium power level.
		I cannot suggest that it be done within the city limits, however.
		People are not very technically tolerant around here either.
		Randy, listening to Cogo in San Diego.
		So, Michael, there you have it.
		It is a free offer of that which put you behind bars.
		This guy's willing to give you Transformers.
		Cool, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, very.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, is that something you might go for?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I can put you two together.
		I've got Randy's number here in San Diego, and I'll give it to you privately tomorrow.
		How's that?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't want to be arrested for being part of this.
		Nevertheless, it's a good offer.
		How do you feel about the possibility, Michael, of somebody coming along and being your mentor even more than this, maybe contributing money to build a great, big, gigantic version?
unidentified		Oh, that'd be great.
unidentified		That'd be like a dream come true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you'd go for it, huh?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Set up a lab somewhere and go for the really big voltage and really big current and boy.
		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I'm calling from Medford, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Medford, K-O-P-E Country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		I was just wondering, what makes you think it's a time machine and not some sort of thing like Star Trek beaming from one point to another?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
		Yeah, what makes you think you're on the track of time here?
		Michael, it disappeared.
		The question is, where to go and for how long?
unidentified		Well, that's like before my laser burn up.
		That's pretty much this other side pack had to go by what it saw.
		So right now it could be it's like a it could be several things.
		Like it could have been like a it could have went through time.
		It could have went through like a something like the Philadelphia experiment and like made it invisible or something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not like 100% certain what it is, but I'll say this much, Michael.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All kidding aside, you know, I think that if I had done what you've done, and I'm kind of person likely to do that, I disassembled all my mom's appliances when I was about eight or nine years old.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm a big experimenter, so if I'd noticed an effect like that, I'd be on it too, like glue, and I'd keep going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, who cares what people say, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that your attitude?
unidentified		Yeah, pretty much.
unidentified		Everybody's got their opinion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they sure do.
		And here's another one for you.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael Markham.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello, Art.
		This is Christoph from Kansas City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right near Michael's home.
unidentified		Yeah, right near.
		My question would be, I'd like to know if you guys would explore some of the more technical aspects, such as which direction in time it might be going.
		If indeed he did get to a point where he himself could step through it, how he would be sure that he could get back from which direction he went.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an interesting question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Although the screw came back, and he was going to try, I think he said, an orange next or something like that.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And see if it came back intact.
		And then maybe a kitty cat.
		And then maybe Michael.
		Would you, I'm curious, Michael, would you have stepped in yourself or would you, if you got to that point, or would you have looked for a volunteer?
unidentified		Well, if I looked for a volunteer and he had to make it back, I'd make me guilty of murder.
unidentified		And I've already had like 60 days in jail, and that was a plenty enough for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you wouldn't want to be on trial like OJ?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, they wouldn't have a body.
unidentified		Yeah, that's true, but...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you would have done it yourself then.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I still felt about him if I wasn't like legally, wasn't like been guilty of anything.
		I still wasn't the one that wouldn't like anybody do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wild card line, you're on the air with Michael Markham.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		Yeah, I've got two or three questions for Michael.
		Very, very interesting program.
		This is John from Reno.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, John.
unidentified		It's a great program.
unidentified		Did he have any Tesla research information before he started this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you looked into Tesla at all, Michael?
unidentified		Yeah, science in general is really, that's, I don't know, I guess you could call that my hobby.
		I read all sorts of books.
		Let's see, I've read Tesla.
		Right now I'm reading this book, I forget who it's by, but it's like the string theory of the universe.
		Right.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Well, how about the Philadelphia experiment?
		You check that one out, too?
		It's like real hard to find information on that in libraries.
		So I'd like this past conference I went to just a few days ago, found out like information on that, information on the Montauk project, which is a spin-off for the Philadelphia experiment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Michael, let me add something here.
		Michael, we did a program with one of the people involved in the Philadelphia experiment.
		And Michael, he gave all the technical details of exactly how they did it in the program.
unidentified		Was that guy, Al Bielick?
		Al Bielick.
		I'm trying to get in touch with that guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can get in touch with Mr. Bielick.
		And what I'm telling you, though, is we did a program with him in which he gave the exact technical details.
		The RF field and the electrical field that they used, the intensities, the power, the whole thing.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you might want to get a copy of that program.
		Or maybe I'll even have it sent to you.
		On the East of the Rockies line, you're on the air with Michael Markham.
unidentified		Yeah, you got Ray from Farley, Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Ray.
unidentified		Yes, my cousin just called me.
unidentified		He called you from Leavenworth, Kansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Yes, he didn't hear the answer of the question on the high voltage, and he was just wondering, you know, he didn't hear the answer because he had to turn his radio off, and he called me and said he's only allowed one call night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a true statement.
unidentified		So he'd like to hear that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right, rephrase the question then for you.
unidentified		Well, I'm not sure exactly what he asked.
		He just said that he asked a question about the high voltage, something about where did he get the information for that.
		And I think that, you know, I've been listening, and it's amazing about the way that works, you know, and I'd like to hear the answer and if you would give me a few seconds to go and shut my radio off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I'm not exactly sure how to respond to it.
		Do you remember the original question, Michael?
		Something about the high voltage.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We went through it and Michael explained how he built the first transformer.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then how he obtained the following transformers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so I'm not sure exactly what.
unidentified		Like how like how can I say this?
unidentified		Like how I knew how to know like how do I know how to make a Jacobs ladder or something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you have an original design of some kind, Michael?
unidentified		For a Jacobs ladder or something?
		Yes, uh-huh.
		Yeah, the Jacobs ladder in and of itself, just to make the Jacobs ladder is pretty simple.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you knew you just, it was the scale of the thing.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael Markham.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, this is Cliff from North Bend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Cliff.
unidentified		How are you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		Hey, this gentleman, he is really on the ball there to me, isn't he?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, he's either that or according to a young lady who called, he's like a terrorist and we're like helping him out spreading the information.
unidentified		I admire him.
		It's like I wrote that.
		I'm about twice his age.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, Michael, what did you say?
unidentified		It's like that one's like as if I wrote the anarchist cookbook or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right, the anarchist cookbook.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any questions for him, sir?
unidentified		Yes.
		I would like to exchange some correspondence with him as I'm working with Mark on, I'm trying to think of the last, the Hindershot free power.
		And just the thought is crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'll tell you what.
unidentified		Twice this guy's age.
unidentified		Why couldn't we make it self-powered?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On that note, listen, Michael, there are a number of people, a lot of them actually, I'm sure, who would like to contact you.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there a way they could do that?
		Now, you be careful because this is a big radio program, Michael.
		There's a lot of people out there.
		Yeah.
		Do you want to hear from anybody who would like to help you out or correspond with you?
		How would they do that?
unidentified		Well, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can either give out an address or a phone number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's up to you.
unidentified		Well, hmm.
unidentified		I guess I don't see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Think about it.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Heck.
		I don't think they're all going to come at once.
		And like 10,000 people come to my house at once.
		Don't think that's going to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wouldn't rule it out.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		That'd be a heck of a sight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe rather than giving out your address, Michael, you'd like to think about giving out your phone number or not.
unidentified		Well, it's already published in the phone book, so might as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your phone number, Michael?
unidentified		It's 816-232-4019.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let me give it again.
		816-232-4019.
		All right, we've got just a little more time here.
		So on the wildcard line, you're on the air with Michael Markham.
unidentified		Hey there, Michael.
		How's it going?
		I'm pretty good.
		Yeah, this is Willem Spokane, the original, I think, med scientist when I was probably about four years old.
		Incredible.
		Incredible idea that you have.
		What was your education?
		I was in about two years ago.
		I was actually from November 91.
		About a year and a half later I was like major in electrical engineering.
		Oh major.
		Jesus, you're only 21.
		Yeah.
		Wow.
		Wow.
		Well I graduated when I was 17.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what would you recommend to Michael?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you say keep going or stop now?
unidentified		I'd say get in touch with me.
unidentified		That's what I'd say and continue on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well you got Michael's number.
unidentified		Actually I don't.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll give it to you now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want it?
unidentified		Yeah I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dairy code 816.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		816 232.
unidentified		232.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		4019.
unidentified		4019.
		Okay, my name's Will.
		And maybe I'll give you a call, huh?
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		There you have it.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael Markham.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Well, good morning, Art.
		I think I'm going to go out and play the lotto now.
		Hey, listen, I've really enjoyed this show.
		That woman that called in, a couple of the people, a couple of the naysayers that have called up, I'm going to have to say they're all but persistent.
		This has got to be the funnest show you've ever done, anywhere from getting this guy after I heard the story initially last night on your show, and then this morning, and then the police officer calling up art.
		This has got to be the greatest show that I have heard in a long time.
		I want to know, though, is, Mike, are you going to be publishing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a good question.
unidentified		Brandon Book?
		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Or, you know, some sort of just a technical manual or something like that, you know, or well, theory manual.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, there you go.
unidentified		Well, heck, there's, if I, I mean, there's all sorts of books out there, like, on this subject.
		So, I don't know.
		That's, like, remains to be seen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe if you, on a larger scale, get to try the experiment.
unidentified		Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's another thing, too.
unidentified		If I get this thing in and it actually, like, it actually works, heck, there's always, I mean, heck, I could write a book, do a movie, and do all kinds of stuff in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And hopefully tell us whether it was a lone gunman or not.
unidentified		Yeah.
		That's another thing I'd like to do, too.
		Really, this may sound like a joke, but heck, I'd like to go back and see you really killing Nicole Simpson, but that's another thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess that would be a laudable use of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And maybe we could cut this whole damn trial thing short, Michael.
unidentified		Yeah, that's all I'm saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold on just a moment.
		We'll be right back to you.
		All right, Michael, I would like your reaction to this.
		Art, thanks so much.
		I've really been tiring of hearing all the crap that's going on in the world, the dollar-yen crisis, the Iran, Russia, China, nuclear crisis, everything in the U.S. is in crisis, the OJ crisis.
		It's refreshing not to have to listen to any of it at 11 o'clock tonight.
		No, instead, you've chosen to share with all of us someone near Kansas City, my hometown, who is either truly on the cutting edge or merely yet another deranged madman.
		I frankly don't care if he is.
		It's just so nice to hear the tale of somebody's courage and following their intuition and going for their dream.
		Thank you, Waldo and Tehachapi.
		There you are.
		You're not a deranged madman, are you, Michael?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would, how would you describe yourself?
unidentified		Well, my strange experiments, basically just like anybody else.
		Well, I don't know about it just like anybody else.
		Well, that's why I asked myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To you, you're normal.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael Markham.
unidentified		Yeah, I was interested in talking to Mike about possibly publishing, as in one of your last callers said.
		Publishing information, I am a computer junkie, basically.
		My name is David.
		I'm from Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you'd like to interview him?
unidentified		Well, what I'd like is, if he ever does go to the whole publishing stage, is to see if I could get him to send me the information on what the outcome is.
		Maybe not exactly what he's doing, because, of course, he might want to keep that to himself, or keep other people from trying it.
		Basically, get an overview of what type of information he's dealing with, what he's doing, what the outcome is, and possibly show it to the public to see if they like it all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, and that winds into an earlier call.
		Thank you.
		We will give Michael's number one more time here.
		You're going to be on the phone a lot, Michael.
		Michael, are you taking, you know, the dye asks, are you taking notes?
		I mean, are there any notes so that if you stepped into the gap and turned into a french fry, that people could read and see where you went wrong, maybe?
unidentified		Yeah, overall, like a general, like write down every little thing, but I'm like keeping the general idea down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		We've got so many calls.
		East of the Rockies, where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		In Kansas City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kansas City?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Mark just north of me in St. Joseph.
unidentified		I'm down here in Independence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And by the way, I have to echo the last caller.
unidentified		It's a refreshing difference from the stock market report.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
unidentified		For which we have no control.
unidentified		Mark, I need to ask you something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's Michael.
unidentified		Michael, rather.
		Michael?
		Yeah.
		When you approach the day when you build the quote-unquote Ark of Triumph, give me a call because I want to make sure I plug in my surge suppressor first, okay?
		Love you guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		So he's worried about the appliances there in Kansas City.
		Is there a way you can somehow protect the local area of the power grid that next time you do this, Michael?
unidentified		Well, I can like have the power company put a bigger transformer on the pole.
unidentified		That way it won't overload it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an idea.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From now on, I bet anybody in the Kansas City Area, when they see their lights dim, they're going to wonder if you just jumped across.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael Markham.
unidentified		Yes, I would like to know if your guest has great knowledge of time travel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great knowledge of time travel?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have great knowledge of time travel?
unidentified		Great knowledge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some knowledge.
unidentified		Yeah, general idea, but like down to the nitty-gritty, I'm just like, that's what I'm doing now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, after all, nobody has real publishable knowledge of time travel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're off into an area here that just isn't much known.
unidentified		Well, yeah, it's like right now it's like TV is the same thing as USOs and stuff like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Sure, absolutely.
		Wildcard line, real quickly with Michael Markham.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Mike.
		And Art, this is fantastic.
		Mike, can I ask you a question?
		Yeah.
		Have you ever listened to the Art Bell show before?
		Well, okay, I just want to let you know that there's nothing but a bunch of wackos out here that listen to Art Bell all the time.
		And we really appreciate a guy like you.
		Let me say this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gee, do me some more favors, sir.
unidentified		Let me say this.
		Mike, there was a guy who's a cosmologist, an astrophysicist.
		His name is Rick Thorne, and he's into what is called wormholes.
		Oh, yeah, it's kind of like similar to a black hole.
		Exactly.
		And what he likes to talk about, and this is also very fascinating, it also has to do with time travel.
		Now, when you step in one end of the wormhole, and it has to do with the speed of light and the space-time continuum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we're about out of time here.
unidentified		Okay, well, he says, when you're coming back out the other way, you meet yourself.
		Now, I often wondered, if you threw the screw in, did you take a look at the screw and see if it was turned left or right-handed thread when you found it?
		Ooh.
		Interesting questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Keep it up, Mike.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Michael, we're out of time.
		It has been a great pleasure.
		And yes, we do very unusual, kooky things on the show every now and then.
		But Michael, on the serious side, I admire you on a lot of levels.
		I really do.
		Not the stealing of the Transformers, but what you're doing and what you're trying to do.
		And I really appreciate your coming on the program.
		And we'll get your number out one more time.
		You're going to hear from a lot of people now, Michael.
unidentified		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take care, my friend.
		All right.
		Take care.
		That's it.
unidentified		We'll be back.
		This is the best of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		Tonight's show originally aired on April 18th, 1995.
		Please do not call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it sure is.
		Hi, everybody.
		Welcome into the program.
		I'm going to start with a short open now.
		If you just start tuning in, we've spent the last two hours.
		How do I explain what we just have done?
		If you're just tuning in, you'll never understand.
		I read a story last week about a Kansas City man who tried to build a time machine on his porch.
		I tracked him down.
		I mean, I tracked him down.
		And he went on the air with me tonight, and it was the most incredible two hours you've ever heard.
		He explained exactly what he did, why he got in trouble for stealing the transformers from the power company, how his experiments proceeded.
		He actually caused something to disappear and reappear, possibly moving in time or dimension.
		And the arresting officer in the case called up during the course of the interview.
		It was just absolutely incredible.
		So it's hard.
		The man's name is Michael Markham.
		And I said I'd give his phone number out one more time.
		He okayed that.
		He'll be sorry.
		You all know about the C-21 mystery.
		Eight men dead when an Air Force Learjet went down in Alabama.
		Nobody knows quite what brought it down.
		It was completely destroyed, but they did get the black box, the flight recorder, so we may be able to find out.
		Killed Air Force Assistant Secretary Clark Feaster and Air Force Major General Glenn Proffitt.
		Among those killed.
		A possible cause they're toying with is a fuel imbalance.
		In other words, the Lear has fuel stored in the wings, and if you get too much of an imbalance, obviously you can't fly.
		We'll find out.
		Economic news, housing starts are down about 8%.
		Down in the West as much as 20%.
		Down despite falling mortgage rates.
		Signs are that the housing market will continue to fall.
		Now I've got all kinds of news about the dollar.
		We've got a serious problem here, folks.
		So let me read you a couple of facts.
		As Art, the U.S. economy, as well as the world monetary system, is in serious jeopardy.
		The dollar is collapsing and rapidly losing its status as the world's premier currency.
		I've included a copy of a record-breaking drop it took on the overseas market this evening when it plummeted to an incredible 1.345 marks to the dollar and an astounding 79.7 yen.
		When will the American people wake up and take notice of what's happening?
		Will they wait until it has completely collapsed under the tremendous burden It now shoulders?
		Or will it be when the value of the dollar is measured by its weight rather than its denominational value?
		When the day comes that a $100 bill only puts a couple of gallons of gas in one's car, it's going to be too late.
		Something must be done now.
		The crash of the dollar is not some futuristic event.
		It's taking place right this moment.
		Indeed, Tokyo, the Associated Press, the dollar fell to a new low against the Japanese yen in early trading Wednesday following a decline overseas due in part to pessimism with regard to talks between the U.S. and Japan.
		Tokyo stock prices nosedived.
		The dollar fell to 79.75 yen from 81.12 late Tuesday.
		It did climb back to 80.08 yen.
		My God, it's the lowest dollar yen rate since the modern exchange rate system was set up in the late 1940s.
		My.
		NBC did a piece last night on sexual harassment.
		What is sexual harassment?
		Who knows?
		I used to think that it meant that you were grabbing at a female or you were being sexually aggressive in some unwanted, unwelcome way.
		I always thought that was sexual harassment.
		Anyway, whatever it is, since Anita accused Clarence, the number of sexual harassment complaints to government agencies has risen, get ready for this now, 109%.
		109%.
		So far, $22 million has been paid in claims.
		There is a Los Angeles fire captain, Steve Johnson, who is challenging a policy in his fire department, apparently, which says that he's not even allowed to have a Playboy magazine at the fire station.
		Apparently, these days, one can be charged with sexual harassment for looking at a woman.
		And I think we've gone too far.
		This is really pathetic and sad.
	I mean, look, women, to me, are beautiful creatures.
	And if there's one nearby and there's something to be seen, I do not now know the harm in looking.
	I've never known the harm in looking, and if you can actually be charged with sexual harassment for merely looking...
unidentified		America's turning into a different kind of place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What has happened to sexuality and the relationship between men and women?
		Is it now just going to be a matter for court and for challenge and for...
		This great thing, this relationship between men and women, we are ruining it.
		And I'm not happy about that.
		I should tell you, I'm not happy.
		And I wonder if you feel the same way, or do you think they're on the right track?
		And that people should absolutely have their distance and their space and that women should not expect to be looked at.
		Is that where we want the relationship between men and women in this country to be going?
		I don't think so.
unidentified		I don't think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, let's see.
		Still reacting to McNamara.
		A lot of people are.
		Art, I agree with you about McNamara.
		Do you think he wrote the book to tell his story or to earn more big money?
		I'd feel better if he donated the proceeds to a veterans organization.
		I believe Charleston, South Carolina, by the way, suffered major damage from an earthquake sometime back in the mid-19th century.
		Enjoy the show.
		You're fair and reasonable.
		Longboat Key, Florida.
		Wow, down in the Florida Keys.
		Longboat Key, Florida.
		I've always looked at the Keys as a wonderful place to be.
		It's beautiful there.
		And then this, and then we'll get the phone lines open.
		Art, you have a great show.
		Art, this country has to legalize drugs, whether we like it or not.
		The present situation is not tolerable.
		The arguments now are the same as were used during Prohibition.
		As it was then necessary to legalize alcohol in order to control the rum runners, it's now necessary to take drug money out of the hands of the dope gangs.
		This is the major issue, though there are many others involved.
		Many people think this problem is unique to modern-day America, but it's occurred throughout history and the world.
		Anybody who is generally concerned with this topic ought to take the time to read the forbidden game, A Social History of Drugs.
		It is a scholarly work that provides much thought-provoking information.
		As a true believer in Republican government, I can see no other course but legalization.
		People must be allowed to injure themselves if they wish to.
		Of course, they should also be absolutely responsible for their actions and left in their own mess, as it were.
		Government must get out of the business of protecting people against themselves.
		It makes us lazy, docile, and atrophies the reason.
		Freedom and responsibility are two sides of the same coin, and if the American people don't realize it, they're going to lose both.
		That's Mark from Clackamas, Oregon, and I thought it was a profound argument for legalization, and there are reasons to argue for it as well as against it.
		All right.
		We're going to open the lines now.
		If you want to comment on the show we had on between 11 and 1 Pacific time, the first two hours of the program, you're welcome to do it.
		Time travel, what Madman Markham is doing, has done, plans to do, you're welcome to comment on that or anything I just brought up or anything that you would like to bring up at all.
		And I would like to say once again to everybody that in my estimation, talk radio is many things.
		It's not just politics.
		It's not just, at least to me, it's not.
		It's my style of talk radio, and you will hear me do many, many different things on this program.
		I'm convinced over the years that that has contributed to and is part of the reason for its success.
		It sometimes upsets people, but in my estimation, if you make no waves, then you're not really doing anything at all.
		So I will continue to do what some people think of as a little more than passing strange every now and then.
		It's just me, folks.
		On the first time caller line, you are on the air.
unidentified		Hi, I'm an air traffic controller out of Salt Lake City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, would you turn your radio off, please?
unidentified		Certainly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And an air traffic controller.
unidentified		Yeah, referenced earlier in your broadcast.
unidentified		You mentioned the Republicans' contract with America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And there's currently a couple of issues that I'm concerned about.
unidentified		One is the attack on the federal retirement system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		This is going to cost me a heck of a lot out of my pocket.
		It's, you know, we're looking at about $1,500 to $2,000 a year on that, plus increased health care.
		They're attacking my differential pay for being an air traffic controller, which was meant to revitalize the air traffic control field.
		Unfortunately, on this, I think they're overlooking the fact that there is a lot of waste.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't suppose they hang portraits of Ronald Reagan up in the air traffic control area, do they?
unidentified		No, no, they certainly don't.
unidentified		You know, and also this attack on federal retirement, it concerns us because this attack, as I call it, will send a signal to the rest of America, corporate America, to slash the retirement benefits that our workers have struggled so long and so hard to get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do agree that the process is underway.
		Right.
		And ultimately, it's going to probably include Social Security as well.
		So everybody's at risk here.
		You know, either we get it together or just about everything's at risk.
unidentified		Well, you know, and federal employees have been taking a hit for a long time, you know, as far as being unprofessional, unserviceable, and things of the nature.
unidentified		But unfortunately, you know, the airplanes fly through the skies safely, and no matter what you say about the post office, that mail does get delivered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sooner or later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sooner or later is the key phrase.
unidentified		The key phrase.
unidentified		But I mean, you know, overall for 32 cents, we're not doing too bad to mail a letter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, something I want to ask you about, actually a couple things.
		As an air traffic controller, you know, in the post office, you mentioned it.
		We all know.
		They've had some people go kind of crazy and shoot people.
		Now, that was because it said of the pressure in the post office.
		Let me finish.
		If there's any place that may have more pressure than a post office, it would be your job.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And yet I don't know of any air traffic controllers that have gone bonkers and grabbed a gun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any thoughts on that?
unidentified		No, they haven't.
		I think a lot of the problems in the post office are related to the supervision of their employees.
		From what I understand, you know, the employees felt they were being harassed, being watched too closely.
		Also, at one time in the Postal Service, they had one supervisor for every two employees.
		Now, that started to reverse the trend on Al Gore's reduction in government, the elimination of 252,000 jobs, and the supervisor-to-employee ratio of 15 to 1.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a good answer.
		All right.
		One more question.
		I've got to go.
		I take it as an air traffic controller, you can read the transponder signals of aircraft.
		It's a good, clear way to read what's out there.
		That is correct.
		But you also have a real radar capability, do you not?
unidentified		Yes, we do.
unidentified		It's the echo return off that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly, echo return.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So my question is, how many times as an air traffic controller would you admit to have been tracking some sort of UFO, something that is traveling in the sky that you cannot account for?
unidentified		Well, there's a lot of times out there.
		On the radar, we now have what they call, what the government alludes to, false targets.
		And they say it's a radar glitch in the radar problem.
		Well, I think that these radar glitches may be something else out there.
		I don't know.
		We have too many of them to account for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure, and I guess you can be fooled, but over the years, you've kind of learned to recognize a real return, don't you?
unidentified		Yeah, but just by their track and their movement.
		I've seen some suspicious things.
		In fact, we have a UFO hotline number up that we do call.
		But most controllers do not do that because then we may be, if we report that, we may be subject to some government testing that they don't want to admit to, so we generally don't call and report it.
		You know, if you report this and that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly what I suspected, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, I don't do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, do you want to report one of them things?
unidentified		No, absolutely not.
unidentified		Maybe you'll be in the police surgeon's office next week, and then I'm out of the job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Believe me, I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Hey, did you hear anything about the cattle guard incident with Bill Clinton?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Channel Guard?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is that?
unidentified		You know what a cattle guard is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, a cattle guard?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know what a cattle guard is, sure.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Well, it seems that a report came out of Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean he was unable to cross one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, go ahead.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
		Sorry.
		God, that was awful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Finish your story.
unidentified		He saw this report, or one of his cohorts saw this report, that there was over 100,000 cattle guards in Colorado.
		Okay.
		Well, he said, well, that's too many people to employ, so we have to get rid of these cattle guards.
		Which is funny by itself.
		Patsy Schroeder picked it up and said, well, we can't fire all those cattle guards.
		We have to put them in some type of work training program.
		This is real, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I believe you, sir.
		I believe you.
		Where will it all end?
		It's a wonderful world.
		Have a good morning.
		I must go.
unidentified		Thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's too many cattle guards on the payroll.
unidentified		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's Leonard from South Dakota country.
unidentified		Your program is most educational.
unidentified		I learned the difference between a cattle guard and a cattle guard this morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I also learned the difference between the two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think the president did too.
unidentified		Learned the difference between those people who are scared to death and those people who have perfect peace.
unidentified		You heard about that sect that thought the world was coming to the end?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, there's nothing more devastating than think that the earth's going to pieces out from under your feet.
unidentified		But the Christian reads the Bible and says that, well, there's a thousand years at least of millennia ahead of us, so we don't have to worry about the end of the world for a thousand years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know something I've always wondered about, Leonard?
		Whether it's the religious people like yourself, or it's a psychic predicting the end of the world, or, you know, a gigantic earthquake or something, and they do it and they talk about it and they think about it and they dwell on it and they cogitate about it.
		And then the day comes and it doesn't happen, do they feel disappointed?
unidentified		Perfect peace have they which love thy law and nothing shall offend them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, we'll leave them with that thought.
		East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Hey, I really enjoyed the change of pace in your show, and I feel like everybody needs to kind of let loose a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every now and then.
unidentified		Every now and then.
		Hey, I want to say something to Mr. Markham.
		If he's still listening, I don't know if he is, but there's a lot of people laughing at him right now.
		But remember, sir, they laughed at Edison, they laughed at Leonardo da Vinci, and they laughed at the Wright brothers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that the truth?
unidentified		That is the truth.
		So he needs to keep it up and just be careful.
		And the young man really does have a brilliant mind, even though he may be on the edge of being a little too smart for his own good, let's say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's better than madness.
unidentified		I don't think he's mad.
		Obviously, he's intelligent enough to understand what he's getting into.
		And I think that's all that counts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I kind of like the guy.
unidentified		Yeah, he sounds like he'd be a fun person to hang out with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, did you hear when the arresting officer called?
unidentified		Yes, sir, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you listen between the lines, that officer seemed to be saying, think about it.
		Don't do it.
		Don't you do it.
unidentified		Yeah, he did, but then again, he seemed to be almost commending him for having the chutzpah to actually do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from, sir?
unidentified		I call from Austin, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Austin, Texas.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be back, everybody, in just a moment.
unidentified		We'll be back, everybody, in just a moment.
		But you know, we always keep going.
		No, we're never gonna stop coming.
		He's rolling, he's the rolling stone He's rolling, he's the rolling stone To access the audio archives of Coast to Coast AM, log on to CoastToCoastAM.com.
		You're going, you're going home.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		But I'm holding every day.
		I've been on a heart.
		Didn't make one of my way of having time.
		But nothing had you more near when I get here.
		Nothing but a heart, never waiting.
		And I'm awake and I can feel with him.
		If I can hear him, I got a lot of money.
		I got a lot of those kids up all day.
		Kids up all the way.
		Nothing but a heartache every day.
		Everywhere a heartache every day.
		Nothing but a heartache every day.
		Thank you.
		I've made a lot of party.
		I'm a lot of the people.
		From the Kingdom of Nye, this is the best of Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell.
		Tonight's show originally aired on April 18, 1995.
		Please do not fall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To Art Bell, Art, did you notice that there were no women calling in on your interview with the time machine mechanic, except women who thought he was a radical extremist or a madman?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that tell you anything?
unidentified		Well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I enjoyed listening to that kid.
		I'm 49 and laud him for trying things experimental.
		We still don't know the real effects of how electricity and radio waves affect the dimension we live in.
		It's pure theory, and for all we know, it may tamper with one of the other 13 dimensions suggested in Davies'Super Strings book, Good Show.
		What does it mean that women...
		So I think that's your answer.
		I don't know what it says, though.
		And then this, Hiart, I really liked your guest tonight.
		I've always been a physics buff.
		One thing that bothers me about time travel, though, as a consequence of Einstein's theory of relativity, which stemmed from something called the Lorentz transformations mathematical equations, which describe space and time dilations, a couple of things are apparent.
		One, in order to experience time dilation, one must reach the speed of light, at which point the person's momentum and hence mass become infinite.
		Two, the speed of light is an absolute maximum.
		It can't be exceeded.
		Not to say that these concepts from special relativity are absolutes, but they do seem to preclude time travel unless some grossly unobserved physical law exists.
		Time travel is a cool concept worth studying, but I'd love to hear from someone more educated in physics than myself a comment on this.
		Tom, Columbia, Missouri.
		Well, I'm not sure of what I'm saying, but I believe that there was some theory or even possible proof that quarks have exceeded the speed of light, or a theory that they might exceed the speed of light.
		And I think that that's one of the things they were going to look at with a gigantic accelerator they were trying to build down in Texas.
		But I'm certainly not a physics person myself, so it's open for comment if anybody out there wants to come in.
		Art, a little information on the Palmdale Bulge.
		It is an anomaly, also known as an uplift.
		It is literally the ground surging upward.
		This particular uplift was discovered about 1980 and thought it was developed during the late 1960s or early 70s.
		But most seismologists agree that it has been rising continually ever since.
		Ooh, that's bad.
		That's Carol listening also to KFYI and Mesa.
		So, Carol, I don't know what to tell you.
		To me, the layman in these areas, it seems like a sort of like an aneurysm.
		As I said earlier, an earth aneurysm.
		Is that out of line?
		Here we go.
		Used to the Rockies?
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		This is Mike calling from TDY in Madison.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Madison, Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Mike.
unidentified		And, well, one quick question and then a longer one.
		Does your Milwaukee station, is that going to carry you all the way to the end of the program?
		Because they chop you off for an hour here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a matter of time zones, Mike.
		In other words, the program here on the Pacific coast goes until 4 a.m.
		There it would be 6.
		And most radio stations begin their, you know, their morning shows, wake-up shows around 5.
		So that's what happens.
unidentified		Yeah, it's kind of sad because I never know what's going on for that final period of time.
unidentified		Well, irrelevant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's torture, I know.
unidentified		And I also wanted to mention, you know, if your time traveler there ever does succeed, it'd be nice if he could maybe throw a dollar bill through there to see what shape that comes back in.
unidentified		Maybe a little, tiny, tiny, little $1 bill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'd be frightening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a hell of a story, wasn't it?
unidentified		Oh, it was pretty interesting.
		Pretty interesting.
		It's hard to believe.
		You know, I think it's more likely that it's creating an invisibility effect than time travel, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Either way, it'd be a big story.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, speaking of other big stories, I got home today to a message on my answering machine, which was sort of chopped off because I have a really lame answering machine.
		But it's from my friend in Arizona who works in the parks and went camping with some geologists.
		And he mentioned about the Palmdale Bulge.
		Apparently, they had a very spirited discussion about that, which I don't know what the Palmdale Bulge is.
		I was wondering if you knew.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not a geologist either, but it sounds bad, doesn't it?
unidentified		Well, yeah, it sounds like it.
unidentified		Evidently, it's something of great interest to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would think of it just off the cup as sort of an earth aneurysm.
unidentified		I like that.
		I like that.
		I'll get back to you as soon as I find out anything more specific, and I'll see if maybe one of these geologists would be gutsy enough to get on the air with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, hey, listen, if you get one willing to go on, have them call me.
unidentified		They're notoriously closed-mouthed.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They like talk around campfires, but you get them in front of a microphone, they clam right up.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thanks, Amelian, and have them fax me.
		My fax number is area code 702-727-8499.
		702-727-8499.
		And we have done one other thing that is really fun.
		And if you wish to partake, you're welcome to.
		I'm going to give you the number.
		We've got a whole bunch of pictures, GIF pictures, and if you've got an IBM-compatible computer, you can get them.
		We've got them on a bulletin board, and we're increasing.
		I'm going to send six more photographs up there tomorrow.
		Right now, we've got one of myself and my wife, one of just me, one of me in the Air Force 30 years ago.
		We have a ghost photograph available, and I'm going to be uploading a second ghost photograph.
		In color, by the way, both of these are in color tomorrow.
		There is a color photograph of the studio that I'm broadcasting from right now in my home.
		Actually, a photograph of it up there.
		There are two photographs of Mexican UFOs, and this relates to last week's Dreamland program.
		We had a couple of researchers on who talked about the sightings in Mexico.
		It's very exciting.
		So we've got two Mexican photographs up there.
		We've got the Roswell movie photograph up there, the very controversial one.
		And as I said, we're going to put a half dozen up more, a half dozen more tomorrow.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello?
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Who's this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell.
unidentified		Art Bell.
		How are you, Darren?
		You were talking about the Palmdale Bolt a minute ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the earth aneurysm.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		I'm calling from Pasadena, California, the home with Caltech.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And, you know, I notice a lot, I drive by there every evening after I leave work.
		And one thing I notice is from the University of Oregon, I think it is, they have geologist trucks down here, but they're volcanologists, and they have a little volcano on the side.
		And they only show up at 4.30 in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why 4.30 in the morning?
unidentified		You got me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds secretive.
unidentified		Yeah, well, another thing I heard, too, was out near Landers is the ground after the Landers earthquake was so hot you couldn't touch it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Due to what?
unidentified		Um, gee, I don't know.
unidentified		Well, you have volcanologists out there now from Caltech coming down from Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really odd.
unidentified		I know, that's really odd, too.
unidentified		I don't want to make a start a rumor, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you do.
		What you're doing.
		You're starting a rumor.
		The hot earth theory.
unidentified		Yeah, it could be.
unidentified		I remember a week or so ago, I heard someone else talking about something similar to this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Maybe it was over a week ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we had a call, a very troubling call, from a man who talked about well levels and water tables rising.
		You remember that?
		Yeah, I think that's what it was.
unidentified		I tried to call you right after I heard that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a whole lot of geological rumor-mongering going on, and there's something to it.
		I think there's something to it.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		You know, it's just sort of a collective input.
		I'm getting information and faxes you guys just flat wouldn't believe regarding people who think there's getting ready to be a geological upheaval of some sort.
		A lot of information, really.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, Arn.
unidentified		This is Bill in San Antonio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Bill.
unidentified		You, of course, are aware that the FCC limits the amount of fun you can have in a two-hour period, and you grossly exceeded that in your first two hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wasn't that something?
unidentified		That brought back a lot of memories of my childhood.
		I played a lot with electronics and electrical circuits, and I used a lot of spark coils, and did a lot of Jacob's letters type stuff, and I enjoyed all that.
		And that kind of thing really needs to be encouraged.
		It's not a really hidden madman type of thing.
		It's just a curiosity type thing that is really the basis of a lot of experimentation.
		And while we have, you know, the things that were developed, the technological things that we have today, really came from that kind of curiosity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's absolutely correct.
		And that's one of the reasons I went for the interview.
		I mean, there's just something about somebody like that.
unidentified		It isn't anything unusual.
		It's like one of your callers that came in and said, you know, a lot of wackos listen to your show.
		Well, you know, I'm one of those wackos that's, you know, a financial analyst, but I grew up playing with that kind of stuff.
		And, you know, you get interested, you investigate things, you want to see what happens, and you try things out.
		And maybe you don't ever find anything, but you check things out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		Thank you.
		Look, I'll say it again.
		I think that talk radio should be on the edge.
		God knows we're on the edge.
		It should be on the edge.
		I mean, that's what it's all about.
		We're not mainstream media.
		I don't want to be mainstream media.
		I don't want to be mainstream media.
		And there is more to life than politics.
		There are a million different areas and things that you can talk about.
		And I'd just as soon let this program as I have for all the years I've been on the air, over, you know, going on a decade, about a decade, doing this particular program.
		I've let it range wherever it's going to range.
		And I'm not going to change that.
		I don't care how big it gets.
unidentified		I'm not going to change that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, all right.
		How are you doing?
		This is Clayton down in Laughlin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Clayton.
unidentified		Wanted to catch up with you and give you some food for thought.
		Okay.
		The quirk you were thinking about was the Tychon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Tachyon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tachyon.
unidentified		Tachyon, very good.
unidentified		Moves faster than the speed of light, so therefore it's going backwards in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what the theory is, yes.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And what also kind of reminds you about the Montauk project?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, indeed.
		Michael talked about that project, and I've had people on the air about that project.
		And look, I don't rule out what happened to Michael, you know, his story.
		I don't rule it out at all.
		It may have exactly happened as he said.
unidentified		Well, interesting enough about it is the aspect of having to use a psychic in order to actually kind of make things work.
unidentified		You know, using kind of like what they call amorphous resonance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		You know, what makes your nose your nose, what makes your eyes your eyes.
		These things come down in a literal form.
		And supposedly that's why the Philadelphia experiment worked so well, because everything was tubes of its own transistors and had a natural resonance at that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is correct, yes.
unidentified		But nowadays they can digitally sample the resonance factors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a point well made.
		Thank you.
		I was talking.
		I don't even know if I ought to say this.
		I was talking to a man up in Washington State earlier tonight who claims to be working with dual resonance technology and claims to be able to move in time.
		But that's a story for another day.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hey, Art, what's up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you are.
		You're up, sir.
		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		Kodiak, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kodiak, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say, I'll bet you it's Kodiak because we get this unusual delay when we talk to people there in Kodiak.
unidentified		Oh, that's weird.
unidentified		I haven't called in about a year and a half, so I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's an even bigger delay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's on your mind?
unidentified		I was wondering about that time travel thing.
		I read an article in Discovery a while back that talked about this concept of different universes where when you travel in time, you don't actually travel in time, you just travel to a different universe.
		And every universe is just a different setup of each other and how just each concept, like if I went back in time and killed my dad, you'd think I would be born, but actually I would have gone to a different universe.
		So in my own universe, I'd still be alive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In that alternate universe, would your father also be alive?
unidentified		No, because I would have killed him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no, no.
		But you said you would then be in an alternate universe.
		And in that alternate universe, for you to exist, your dad would also have to exist.
		You would just sort of blow yourself out of this.
unidentified		But my other self, the alternate universe, would die, not me, because I'm from the other universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you.
		It seems to me that to be consistent, you would, in effect, when you killed your father, blow yourself out of this universe, find yourself in another universe where your continuity can be accounted for.
		In other words, where your father still lives if he was supposed to be alive, and you could only exist there.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, good morning, my goodness.
unidentified		I can't believe I got in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		In Kansas City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kansas City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not far from Madman Markham.
unidentified		Right, except I woke up as he went off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's too bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You missed a good one.
unidentified		Yeah.
		You know, I was wondering, did you ever think that the space, you know, all the space that they do at Nassau has changed what's going on with the earthquakes and the floodings and all that and the pollution?
		I always thought that maybe that has a lot to do with the climate change and everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I had a lady who called up not long ago and thought that every time they fire off the shuttle, it's like firing it off from the center of a balloon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And when the shuttle goes through the balloon, a bunch of stuff blows out before the hole seals up.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that your kind of thinking?
unidentified		Well, years ago when I was in high school, our science teacher said that when you would put something through the stratosphere, that you would change the molecules, which would have a lot to do with the weather and what have you.
		And every time they go up, it seems that there is freak floods, freak earthquakes.
		And I really think that it has a lot to do with ozone and everything else because it's bound to have pollution from the fuel they use.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess there's that.
		I mean, who knows?
		There are people who believe that our moral behavior is causing this.
		There are people who believe it is the space shuttle.
		There are people who believe that it's an angry God shaking his finger at us.
unidentified		Well, you know what?
		Maybe it's a combination because it's like if God's saying, hey, don't come up here.
		You don't have any business down here.
		You can't even take care of what's down below.
		Why are you worrying about what's up here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think God would say that?
unidentified		Some people would say, well, but God gave us the knowledge to do these things.
		But it seems to me like it's one place where the budget should be cut.
		I don't think they need to spend that much money on NASA when they could take that same money and use it for research that NASA, yes, they have come up with a lot of good things, but they should take that money and work on the good things that they've come up with and maybe use their knowledge to help people down here, not up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know, but you've got Teflon pans.
unidentified		No, that's what I mean.
		They came up with some good things, but really, what are we doing now up there?
		What good is it?
		You know, I don't understand why they...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's a lot of technology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, right now, you're able to get my voice because it's going up to a satellite that's distributing it throughout the whole country.
unidentified		This is true.
		Like I said, there's good, but I think there's also a lot of bad that it's causing.
		I really think it's causing the...
		No, I enjoy your program when I'm up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad that you're up, and I'm glad that you called, and I really have to go because I've got a newscast coming.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call, and I guess that'll do it for this hour.
		They just, it's her to fly by.
		Yeah, if you don't like the program, then you could say it's technology being used for evil.
		The evil distribution of a program teaching people about God knows what, arcs and time travel and what's next, how to build a nuclear weapon 101.
unidentified		The evil distribution of a program teaching people about God knows what, This part of the show?
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		Tonight, tonight, we're gonna make it happen.
		Tonight, we'll put all of our things back in the panel and some better.
		We're going for the weather in life.
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		I just can't get enough.
		And if you're real slow, I'll let it go.
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		I just can't hide it.
		I'm about to lose control and I think I like it.
		I'm so excited.
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		This is the best of Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell.
		Tonight's show originally aired on April 18th, 1995.
		Please do not call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it certainly is.
		Top radio of a different cut.
		I don't even know what we are.
		We're just open line, unscreened, rip from tarum, let it happen top radio.
		And that's the way I like it.
		Mr. Bell, I have been meaning to write you about an event that occurred two days prior to the San Francisco earthquake.
		My neighbor has a well, and it overflowed a surge from very deep.
		It flooded my yard as if a 12-inch line had broken in his yard and poured into mine.
		Two days later, the quake hit.
		And one comment about particles being faster than light.
		About five years ago, I recall that an Italian astronomer in Italy, and at the same time in England, an English astronomer, observed the same particle shoot from a distant star, and they made the same measurement.
		The particle had traveled faster than light.
		And then this.
		Art, a woman should be able to walk down the street safely, nude if she so chooses, discounting the reactions of the local police.
		But I get the feeling that some of the really rabid prosecutors of the sexual harassment cases feel that she should be able to do the same without anyone read, hear, men even looking or taking notice.
		That is just not realistic.
		While she should be free from assault, physical and verbal, people are just naturally going to look, maybe even stare.
		Some might even take vocal notice as opposed to propositioning her, but I guess it's all the same to a feminazi.
		Do you think that feminazis would be nearly as offended if they were to be leered at by a lesbian?
		Or if they just knew which ladies they walked by were lesbian and the unpure thoughts that were having Jim in Tupelo, Mississippi.
		Well, you know, basically, Jim, I really do agree with you.
		And I'm sorry about what's happening between men and women in this country.
		I know it makes me sound like an old bogey, but I surely do miss the good old days.
		When a man could look at a woman, and maybe even, you know, if he's out there on a construction site or something, and give a big wolf whistle at her without her going to court and taking everything he has.
		Or without him getting into great trouble.
		I mean, is that so bad?
		I guess the women would say yes.
		Yes, it's horrible being regarded this way.
unidentified		Well, I just don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess I'm too old.
		I'm never going to change.
		I'm never going to regard it as horrible.
		And I, frankly, at the risk of ending up in court or something, will probably keep looking until the day I die.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, I have a comment to make about the hemp issue that was brought up.
		And I would like to say that one, that it is not just a question just about hemp.
		It is a question about the paper production of America.
		I heard after the question about hemp was asked an Arbor Day Foundation about planting trees.
		Hemp is not just something that can be used as a political tool to control the drug war.
		Hemp is something that can also be used to help the paper production and overuse of our country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no question about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Wall Street Journal ran an article saying the government could realize half a trillion dollars a year in profit from the various industries that would spring up from hemp.
unidentified		Hemp, and also the point that I would like to get across is that rather than planting More trees rather than using things as hemp, even though I do think it is a positive alternative that can definitely be used.
		Other than doing things like that, what needs to be embedded in the minds of Americans is the need for a recycling program.
		Americans need to know that recycling does help, that recycling does help our forests.
		Forests are being cut down at an amazing rate.
		They're killing all sorts of species, all sorts of waters.
		They're killing our trees.
		There's been today, especially all over the United States and internationally, actions that were planned against multinational corporations in paper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a greenpiecer?
unidentified		I am not necessarily a greenpiecer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you sound like a greenpiecer.
unidentified		I am not.
unidentified		I see someone that typifies somebody like me as a greenpiecer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A tree hugger.
unidentified		A tree hugger.
unidentified		No, I don't necessarily call myself a tree hugger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But do you in fact actually hug trees?
unidentified		Oh, yes, I do.
unidentified		And I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, hey, no, look, look, hey, what you do in the privacy, you know, it's country.
unidentified		The point that I'm trying to get across, though, is I may be a tree hugger.
		I am not a greenpiecer, but, you know, I may appreciate the beauty of our trees.
		But what I'm saying is that what needs to be addressed here is that we are living in an environment which is being destroyed at an incredible pace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
		We'll have to hold it there.
		I understand your message.
		Believe me, I do.
		And as I said, ma'am, far be it from me.
		You know, I mean, this is America.
		Still is America.
unidentified		anyway i want to talk about it anymore the the the the the the the East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, this is Brian from New Orleans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Brian.
unidentified		Well, first, I'd like to congratulate you on your old archaic construction site cat call mentality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, really, yeah, I saw a lot of construction guys whistle at women when I was a kid.
		I remember it.
		It's not like the world ended.
unidentified		No, but I'm sure a woman who's been sexually assaulted before really liked a relive, something like that, something that can provoke that thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but look, there was a day in America where a wolf whistle from, you know, a construction guy or something wasn't, it was either flattering or she'd blush, but it wasn't a matter for litigation.
unidentified		Right.
		Okay, well, I'd like to move on to politics.
		Okay.
		First, Bill Clinton is going to be running for a re-election in 1996, and I do believe he is unbeatable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Unbeatable.
		The president last night was protesting loudly that he is not.
		Damn it, I am not irrelevant.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you agree he is not irrelevant?
unidentified		Not in the 96 election.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think he'll beat the pants off anybody who would dare to challenge him?
unidentified		Well, think about it.
unidentified		Right now, the economy is doing well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, reasonably well, yes.
unidentified		We are not in a state of war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Unless you talk about drugs, that's a different story.
unidentified		True.
unidentified		But people generally bet or vote with their pocketbook.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		And you're going to see Bob Dole.
unidentified		He's going to probably come out to be the front runner, I imagine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd say it's the best chance, yeah.
unidentified		Well, unfortunately, Bob Dole isn't going to do it for the Republican Party, and you're going to have Bill Clinton in there, thank God, for another four years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what do you think Mr. Clinton, the relevant president, will do for America given another four years?
unidentified		Does he really need to change anything?
unidentified		Think what George Bush did for us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you're saying he can kind of just cruise.
unidentified		Well, do you not agree things are going relatively well for the United States right now compared to four years ago?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would say, as you pointed out, that the economy's cruising along now.
		I'll give you that.
		But as far as things going well, no, I don't think they are.
		I think socially we're absolutely a disaster and getting worse.
		Crime is bad, violent crime and getting worse.
unidentified		Crime statistics are overblown.
		Obviously, it's a little disturbing now that 14-year-olds are committing murders.
		But on a whole, crime statistics have not gone up dramatically.
		If not, they've gone down a little bit in the last 10 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think in all categories but violent crime, in violent crime, it's gone up.
unidentified		I'm still, I'm not sure.
unidentified		Maybe violent crime that's caught by the press, and you've got to admit, the press does hype crime now a lot more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the whole thing is overblown, as far as you're concerned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where did you say you're calling from?
unidentified		New Orleans.
		You're right.
		New Orleans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're downplaying the crime thing?
unidentified		Well, crime's obviously horrible right now.
		But violent crime on a whole has not gone up in the last 10 years.
		Look at the statistics art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, I could look at the statistics from your city, sir.
unidentified		Oh, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, come on.
unidentified		New Orleans does have its problems, but statistics on a whole nationwide, violent crime and crime as a whole has stayed the same.
		And right now, we're suffering from the hard copy, the current affair, media hype of crime.
		Right now, that sells papers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		I'm sorry, but the numbers I think are real and horrifying.
		And frankly, of all the cities you could be making that statement from, I find it a little more than passing strange that you're coming from New Orleans.
		But, hey, that's all right.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Heartbell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's me.
unidentified		Oh, boy, I'm on you.
unidentified		I'm John from Carson City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		About these earthquakes, we've been, well, my hair's standing up on the back of my neck, too, for a long time.
unidentified		And I've been, I worked from 8 to 4 in the morning, and I got you all night long every night, and this is my night off, so I got up to see if I could call you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you did it.
unidentified		And I want you to first understand, I'm not trying to kid you or nothing, but I had a little experience here Saturday night or early Sunday morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I was out, I'd drive a patrol car, and I'd finish the patrol where I parked, and all of a sudden something hit the back of my trunk, and it was snowing and sleeting.
unidentified		And I had my dome light on, and I looked back there, and here's this great big old bird sitting back there, one of those buzzards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It pooped on your patrol car?
unidentified		No, it sit on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		And was looking at me.
		Well, I'm working on the assumptions these wild animals and stuff, they act peculiar around earthquake time.
		Yes, sir.
		And here I'm looking at this thing just scared the daylights out of me, so I had my motor running, I had the radio playing, and it was unconcerned, so I just put my car in gear and I took off down the road.
		And here this old bird was flying out in front of me and off to the side and back and forth.
		And I went up to the end of the road.
		There was a code factor, and I turned around, and it flew around me and went down into the canyon, into the valley.
		So I drove back around the residential area a little bit, trying to figure it out, and I drove back to where I was sitting before, and I sit there in the dark, and darn if he didn't come back again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God, what a weird story.
unidentified		Oh, and you ought to see.
unidentified		I've never been that close to one of these things, and that's the ugliest thing you've ever seen in your life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How big was it, actually?
unidentified		I figured that it would probably dress out about 20 pounds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a big bird.
unidentified		With a big long neck, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Big bird.
		And you're telling me this thing chased you.
		Now, let's back up a little here.
		You're an officer of the law?
unidentified		No, I'm a security guard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A security guard, so you're close.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you would swear on your security guard manual this is true.
unidentified		Well, this isn't the end of the story yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, go ahead.
unidentified		And anyways, this time, I'd sign my flashlight right in his face, and I didn't have the dome light on in the car, and he wouldn't move, just looking at me, his head just kind of bobbing back and forth.
		So I started slamming on the seat on the driver, passenger side seat, slamming that hollering and hollering.
		He just slid off the back like he had one foot on the bumper and went down on the ground.
		And I didn't see him no more, so I pulled out and I drove around, and there's a lot of equipment parked there, and I shined him with headlights all over him, and he disappeared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take it you didn't want to get out of the car.
unidentified		You got that right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think that thing would have come at you?
unidentified		Well, see, I don't know that much about him.
		Last night I went to work, and I got a maintenance man on there just during the week, afternoons and evenings, and he's born and raised in Nevada.
		And I asked him, I said, you've been around these birds.
		Oh, yeah, yeah.
		I said, do you see one around here?
		He said, there's a big black one.
		He said, you see, it's got a big, about four or five, four foot at least wingspan.
		He said, yeah, I noticed him all around here last few days.
		Did you see him?
		I said, yeah.
		I said, how close do you ever get to him?
		Or how close do you get to?
		Oh, you can't get near them.
		He said, I've been around them all my life.
		They won't let you get near.
		So I said, well, listen, I've told my wife this story.
		I'm going to tell you, but I don't want you to tell it anybody else because they're going to be able to send somebody after me with a net.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Guys in the white coats.
		Yeah.
		So you swear now this is true.
unidentified		Oh, I'm telling you, it's bothered me ever since then.
		I mean, I'm prepared for earthquake.
		I lived in Butte County, California for 15 years before I moved here seven years ago.
		And I think in those 15 years, I probably experienced maybe four or five earthquakes.
		In the last year here in Carson City, I know there's been at least 10 of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know they're on the increase.
		All right, sir.
		I've got to go.
		Thank you very much for the story.
		That is a remarkable story.
		That is a remarkable story.
		And I'll tell you, here in Perrump, Nevada, we have got the biggest birds I've ever seen in my life.
		I mean, these birds are freaky.
		Do you remember the movie, The Stand?
		Do you remember the bird, the big black bird in the stand?
		That bird came from right here in Perrump, Nevada.
		We've got them all over the place.
		This guy's not lying.
		You can get 20-pound birds.
		I mean, these birds are big.
		And these birds feed on roadkill.
		You know, I mean, they really feed on it.
		I mean, these are big birds.
		I kind of almost hit one one day.
		They get so bloated, they get so fat eating rabbits that have been squished on the road that they can't even get into the air.
		You know, they, I mean, these are big birds, and they start flapping their wings, and they're flapping their wings, you know, and you're coming down the road, and they're trying to get airborne, and they're trying to get airborne, and their fat little bellies won't let them get up in the air.
		And I grazed one one day that way.
		That sucker couldn't get into the air fast enough.
		I mean, he was lumbering, trying to get in.
		So we've got these big birds out here.
		They're big.
		Probably big enough to pick up a cat.
		Maybe not my cat, but a cat.
		And they're pretty frightening.
		That's where the bird in the stand came from, right here.
		I've got them all over the place.
		They're big.
		They're eerie.
		And if they ever got a mind to start doing what this man just said, it would be not tolerable, I'll tell you.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, hello, this is Todd in Berkeley again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Todd.
unidentified		Yeah, I was listening to the first two hours.
unidentified		That was delightfully off the wall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You liked that, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, I really did.
		I have a kind of a clue, hopefully.
		It'll be some used to Madman Michael, an article in Scientific American many, many years ago, eight or nine, about phase conjugate light.
		And it involves putting a laser beam through a crystal, and then at right angles or at some angle, a virtual beam would emerge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, listen, you're talking Star Wars technology here, I believe.
unidentified		This actually involved theoretical time reversal of a laser beam.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no kidding.
unidentified		So I was curious.
unidentified		It sounded like he used a laser beam to...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He used a laser souped up from a CD player.
unidentified		To trigger the Jacob's ladder effect?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		About McNamara, it sounds like, and I hate to sound conspiratorial, but it sounds like he's trying to give Bill Clinton a means to vindicate himself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of people looked at it that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do, I take it.
unidentified		Well, he snapped up.
unidentified		Bill Clinton snapped up on it so quickly, it was really kind of suspicious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think things are getting pathetic at the White House.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The president is reduced to going on television and beseeching us with the fact that he is relevant.
unidentified		Yeah, no, this guy from New Orleans called saying Bill Clinton was virtually unbeatable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		That's assuming he makes it to the election, you know, a la Whitewater and the MENA, Arkansas investigations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He needs to be reelected because you know what's waiting for him if he isn't?
unidentified		What's that?
		Oh, oh, yeah, yeah.
		Probably bars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but there's this young lady waiting with a lawyer in a lawsuit.
unidentified		Well, that's true, too.
unidentified		But for all these people who, well, one of the things he was saying, that the economy is in such good shape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, can you imagine, sir, that going to court?
		I mean, really now.
		You know, he's married to, I think she's a pretty, what's the right word, stern woman.
		I think she's...
		A strenuous activist, you know, probably pretty rough if you ever got into an argument with her.
		And when this trial would start, there'd be a lot of testimony and details that would tend to get you killed when you went home.
unidentified		I hear she throws things, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rumors.
unidentified		Yeah, one other thing.
		I just can't imagine Bill Clinton having four years that he won't be accountable to the voters for.
		I think that would be the ruination as if this is anything to curl about right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I appreciate your call.
		Thank you very much.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Art?
		Yes.
		I got to tell you, you're very comedic tonight.
		Let me tell you what went right past the lady with the NASA ships and the concern about the ozone when you said to her, Teflon, that was good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad you like it.
unidentified		You know what this is, don't you?
		No, I don't.
		It's the reluctant prophet.
		I'm going to change that tag name.
		You gave it to me a year ago.
		Let me tell you what you made me do tonight.
		You made me bring down my Mr. Coffee coffee pot, which I've been avoiding.
		I've been just pouring my water into the, you know, thing.
		So I'm, you know, I'm addicted to you.
		And I have to tell you this, you're not nuts, and neither is the madman from Paramus.
		Where's he from?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he's from Missouri.
unidentified		Missouri, yeah.
		This kid's a smart kid.
		I also, if he's still listening, and I'm sure he's not, because he's got a million phones.
		He gave his phone number out over the air.
		I couldn't believe that.
		He's going to make a lot of new friends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he's going to make a lot of new friends.
		That's right.
		I mean, I gave him his choice.
		He didn't have to do that.
unidentified		Perhaps he's going to meet the one friend like Wilbren Arville, you know, the minus or the plus that's going to help him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are exactly right.
		He might connect with just the right person.
		Sure, I have got to go.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		He might connect with just the right person.
		You never know.
		So, Chicago, watch your electrical current.
unidentified		The End
		Don't you think you're going to be old?
		Blame the body and be good.
		Take the money home.
		Make them all.
		You'll be joking for the neighborhood.
		Just to carry everything in you, but take the moment home.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		From the Kingdom of Nige, this is the best of Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell.
		Tonight's show originally aired on April 18, 1995.
		Please do not call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From Bryn Marie up, art regarding wolf whistles.
		I was hospitalized for over a month back in 83.
		Had wasted away to nothing.
		The illness and medications had made my face puffy, and about one-fourth of my hair had fallen out.
		In short, I was feeling down, doobie-doo, down, down.
		About three weeks after I'd been released, I was walking the six blocks to my grandma's house.
		That's where wolves always get you, Bryn, on the way to grandma's house.
		Suddenly, I heard a wolf whistle.
		I looked around, saw a city worker with his head sticking out of a manhole.
		He whistled again.
		When I made eye contact, smiled, and went back to work.
		I felt 10 feet tall, and not just because the guy was standing in a hole.
		The man did more for my self-esteem with that simple gesture than anything else possibly could have.
		Since then, when I've been to visit my dad, I've noticed that on occasion he'll give a wolf whistle at a woman.
		Most often, to the bedraggled young moms with several very small kids in tow, I've seen those women stand a little taller, too.
		I have to conclude that not all people are as nice as that city worker was, and that if you cannot say something sincerely complimentary about someone's looks, it's probably wise to stay silent.
		But I won't forget that worker.
		Not in a million years.
		That's Bryn Marie.
		And back to the lines we go.
		East of the Great Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		I'm a retired Air Force field grade officer who has been one of the few fortunate ones to probably read all of the UFO reports that were available outside of Project Blue Book in a building in Washington, D.C. years ago called Tempo-E.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've read all the secret stuff?
unidentified		You got it.
unidentified		And I did tell this to one Air Force officer who I think is your MUFON director down in Florida, but I can't remember his name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And he got quite intrigued by it, and I'm trying to put some names together for him of those people that would be able to confirm that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, look, look, look.
		I've got to cut through the quick here, and I've got to ask you, basically, what do you know that we don't?
		If you really read these papers, sir.
unidentified		No, these were reports.
		Reports?
		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, even better.
unidentified		And they didn't deduce anything that said why or what they were.
		They just told what happened, where it happened, and when it happened.
		And copies were sent that I recall to the Defense Intelligence Agency.
		I don't remember if CIA or any other agency was a distribution authority.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was there a conclusion?
unidentified		There were no conclusions.
unidentified		No, they were strictly straight gathering of intelligence type information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would somebody like yourself who read them come to a conclusion?
unidentified		I came to the conclusion that there were many, many sightings that were never reported anyplace else except to this investigative intelligence agency and then just filed, except what they were then subsequently transferred to DIA, a defense intelligence agency.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I'm not sure about the NSA or CIA because it's been too long ago that I've read them all, but there was a room with nothing but five-drawer filing cabinets, and I had gotten special permission to go in and read them because I was in a special training situation.
		And I was just interested in the subject at the time.
		It wasn't until recently, until I moved out here in Nevada, that I've gotten more intrigued because of what we allegedly have out here in Area 51.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you sign the statement on your shoulders?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you sign a security statement?
unidentified		Say again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, I'll say, did you sign a security statement?
unidentified		No, I was at the time holding the highest possible security clearance available in the Air Force at my level, which was an SSIR clearance, and it allowed me access to special intelligence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you violating anything by telling us what you're telling us?
unidentified		No, because I am not telling you anything that most of the reports were secret.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's why I asked you, a person reading them like yourself would conclude what?
		That we are being visited, that there are extraterrestrials, that the UFOs are really craft of some sort built by some kind of intelligence.
		Would you conclude that?
unidentified		I would conclude that, and I would also deduce that there are many, many, many visits and sightings that have never been reported anywhere except in this data bank of files.
		Now, whether they've been subsequently reduced to microfish, destroyed, or what have you, I really don't know.
		I've never followed up on it myself.
		I've been told that other people have tried to get to these files, but I haven't had the right nomenclature or coding, and I've been turned down by the Air Force because they said we didn't we don't have these files.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So uh filing a Freedom of Information Act, uh, even if you knew you were going after, would be of no use?
unidentified		No, they have filed apparently Freedom of Information Acts with this agency asking for those reports.
		However, they've gotten back negative statements.
		They're not available.
		They're no longer available.
		They never were available.
		You don't have the right file number, the right case number, the right sequence number.
		And, of course, that's just a way of...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me try one more question.
		It's irresistible.
		You are familiar with the nomenclature.
unidentified		Yes, and I reported that to that gentleman in Florida, and I'm trying to think of his name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I think he's your director.
unidentified		But he's an Air Force type that was familiar with it and was going to search for a way to get access to these files, if they still exist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, look, I can't spend any more time with this right now, but I would like you to contact me either by mail or fax.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm going to fax you because I've had a hell of a time trying to reach you.
unidentified		It's just virtually impossible to find any of the lines, and I've just recently started to try this with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, fax me.
		And thank you.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		I'm glad to hear it.
unidentified		So I wanted to find out how you liked XCOM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		XCOM.
unidentified		The file.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I loved it.
unidentified		Did you really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Was the manipulation pretty interesting for you as far as going aft, sending the craft out to investigate the sites and whatnot?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I thought that was a pretty accurate estimation of what teams like that exist around the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		You know, what they would be doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you.
unidentified		Listen, I do a lot of volunteer work out here in Spokane.
		Anything from anything including animal training with big cats like lions and tigers all the way to Suicide Prevention Task Force.
		Right.
		And that young lady sounded rather distressed tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		I felt really bad.
		Like, I wish there was something that I could do.
		But obviously, there's no way for me here in Spokane to do anything about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, hopefully she'll contact me.
unidentified		Yeah, that would be nice.
unidentified		Well, listen, I just wanted to call and see how you liked the file and if you got any enjoyment out of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great enjoyment, and I surely appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, my friend.
unidentified		Thank you for your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes.
		Hey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey.
unidentified		Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's me.
unidentified		Hey, this is great.
		I've been listening to you all over the country, and I finally got a station that comes in clear, and I'm right at home.
		It's Twin Falls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Twin Falls, Idaho.
		Oh, yes, that's right.
		We're on the air now in Twin Falls, right?
unidentified		Yeah, I don't know how long you've been, but when we got home, here you were.
		And I thought, well, I don't have to listen to you now anymore.
		Yeah, you're such a good radio talk show host and probably my favorite of all of them.
		I don't listen to too many but yours.
		And I really like to listen to Doc Democrat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he hasn't been on this morning, has he?
unidentified		No, I don't think so.
		And Charlie and Leonard.
		And, you know, it's just fun to hear them, even though I don't always agree with what they say.
		I think Leonard has things pretty right because I think he reads his Bible a lot and isn't too screwed up by.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he occasionally may go off the extremist edge a little bit.
unidentified		Well, I'm not sure.
		I haven't listened to him enough to know exactly what he believes.
		If you really study the Bible, you'll have things straight.
		And I feel kind of sorry for people who are so caught up with all this UFO stuff because I don't know.
		It seems like there's an intentional effort to be deceiving.
		Something is deceiving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's part of it.
unidentified		And I don't have it all straight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but see, that's part of the draw.
unidentified		Yeah, you're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What people don't understand, the curious ones want to know about.
unidentified		Yeah, and see if it's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And one thing I like about you, you don't just jump to conclusions and say, well, this is the way it is.
		You still have your...
		But maybe one of these days you'll study it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
		Well, I have studied it, ma'am.
		Oh, I've read the Bible many times.
unidentified		Oh, well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't disbelieve them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't fully embrace them, and I don't reject them.
unidentified		Yeah, but I know you're an agnostic, and that's kind of a terrible place to be in because I was there once, and then finally I truly decided or I accepted Christ as my Savior is what I did.
		And then I started reading the scripture, and I thought, oh, this is true, this is true.
		And it seemed like his spirit was communing with my spirit, and I just knew that it was true.
		But I did go through an awful top, dark period.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, see, it's all right, thank you.
		It's an act of faith, you see.
		You accept it on faith.
		I've never had that luxury.
		I have this horrid little intellectual thing that burdens me that I have to be able to lay my hands on.
		I have to be able to see it and prove it and touch it and understand it and pick it apart and be able to be satisfied myself that this is so, whatever it is.
		And it makes it very difficult for me to accept things purely on faith.
		That's all.
unidentified		That's all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Great Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Argus, it's Nan from San Antonio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hey, Fighter Committee on your program tonight.
unidentified		It was very beautiful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glad you enjoyed it.
unidentified		I got a couple of quick questions for you, then a short black helicopter story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I like those.
unidentified		Okay, first off, whatever happened to that guy, I believe it was in San Diego who got verification from the government of some UFO activity that he was in the local news in San Diego, I believe?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's still filing freedom of information requests, as far as I know.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And still getting responses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's all I know right now.
unidentified		Okay.
		Hey, you had a great program tonight, Art.
		Now, the black helicopter story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hey, I was coming home from the store.
		Yeah.
		And I got pulled over by a black 5.0 and a black Jeep Cherokee, Grant.
		It was kind of crazy, Art.
		And they pulled me over, pulled me out of the car, and put me on the ground, handcuffed me.
		Didn't read me any rights or anything.
		Asked them what the problem was, and they told me that I fit a description and went through all this.
		And usually when you get pulled over or handcuffed or anything like that, they'll read you your rights or give you kind of an idea.
		But these guys are very stern.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not when you get pulled over by the black helicopter police.
unidentified		No.
unidentified		But BATF is what they were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They were BATF?
unidentified		Yeah, and I tried to report it to them, I mean, report to the local police officers and stuff.
unidentified		And they had no record of any ATF activity in the city.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course not.
unidentified		I'm calling from New Orleans, as a matter of fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		But my theory on the black helicopters is that they help out the local police.
		Well, yeah.
		I don't think so, but I know that the local police told me that the NLPD told me that they didn't have any record of any federal activity, and I gave a call to the Louisiana FBI department.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even they might not know.
unidentified		No, they'd say they didn't know, but it was kind of strange, and it's just kind of a different twist in the black helicopter call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is a new story, sir, and I appreciate it.
unidentified		Okay, watch out for those black 5.0s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		I've got you, right.
		You don't frequently hear about them doing, in essence, traffic stops, though.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's me.
unidentified		This is Sean Calling from KNCR, Bakersfield, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, up in where?
unidentified		Bakersfield.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, KNCR, yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I've been trying to get through a while.
		The federal inmate that wrote you a letter about certain things, certain callers didn't believe certain things you said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if this is ominous or not, but I haven't heard from him lately.
unidentified		Huh.
		I'm calling to you right now from inside of one of California's finer institutions.
		You are?
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How can you make a cult this time of the morning?
unidentified		I'm working.
unidentified		I work on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, in other words, you're a guard.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay, I got you.
unidentified		Everything he said is true and then some.
		Really?
		Yes.
		That is 100%.
		It's all true.
		And if everybody knew, actually, the access that these people have things to and all the things they have, just for one example, everybody that paroles in California, we give them $200 and they leave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		$200 gate money when they leave.
unidentified		This comes from way back when, when they used to give them, you know, a new suit and bus fare.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there has been inflation.
unidentified		Yeah, $200 is a lot.
unidentified		Most of these people are returned from, I mean, they get this money and they get out and they buy more drugs and they come right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, to twist an old phrase I've used in a commercial, you cannot buy a fine wool suit for $200 today.
unidentified		That's true.
		I like that commercial.
		Things even such as they have rights to anything that is sent to them from a publisher.
		One guard found child pornography in somebody's locker, took this away from him, and the warden said, you will return this person's property because he received this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Had to get the child pornography back.
unidentified		Yes, because you received this.
		He received this legally from a publisher, sealed from the publisher in the mail, and he has a right to this, anything from a publisher.
		And I don't see how somebody can have a right to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who's got it better, the guys on the inside or you?
unidentified		Oh, fully them.
		So, I mean, as they say, three hops in a cot, laundry, everything is provided for them.
		Schools, computer class, GED classes.
		I've got to get up and go to work.
		I've got bills to pay, you know.
		I've got life.
		I've got crazy people on the streets to deal with.
		They far have it easier.
		Get to work out three times a day, go to bed, sleep when they want, get up when they want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, like I said, I haven't heard from them.
unidentified		I just couldn't believe certain people called and said that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if somebody had a talk with them.
unidentified		Yeah, it could have very well happened because they don't.
		If everybody knew what went on in here, there'd definitely be a lot more public upcry about it.
		And I couldn't believe the people that called and, oh, this can't be going on.
		Oh, this can't be going on.
		It's going on beyond your wildest dreams.
		You couldn't begin to imagine.
		ICE machines, microwaves.
		I'm looking at them right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		I appreciate your corroborating his story.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		That is truly, truly sickening.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Doc, Democrat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll be damned.
unidentified		Well, good morning, Archie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Talk about it the last minute.
unidentified		Hey, wasn't that outstanding leadership last night by the president?
unidentified		I mean, you set down a deadline.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am relevant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am relevant.
unidentified		Well, he set down a welfare deadline for the Senate Republicans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Fourth of July, and so Bob Doe can't play his little stalling games.
unidentified		You know, President Clinton was the guy that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sounded suspiciously like Stalin.
unidentified		No, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, Stalling.
unidentified		Delaying games.
unidentified		How's that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That clears it.
unidentified		But anyhow, this president, you know, he's going to get some action done here on these issues because, you know, for two years, the Republicans filibustered everything he wanted to do.
unidentified		All these ideas, half of these ideas that the Republicans are doing were Bill Clinton's ideas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stolen?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stolen from Bill Clinton?
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
unidentified		They filibustered it when he was in power to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No right thing to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Republicans stole Bill's ideas.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now he's...
unidentified		Why not him veto?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If they stole his ideas, then, like, how come he's threatening to veto them?
unidentified		Because they changed him and made him so radical because they're such radical people that he has to change them to get them back into the mainstream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		I mean, that's just, you know, common sense.
unidentified		But, I mean, I think this president is going to get every one of his campaign promises done by 96.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think Bill Clinton could cross a cattle guard?
unidentified		Cross a cattle guard?
		Yeah.
		Certainly.
		Why not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doc, tell America good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're all done.
unidentified		Good night, everybody.
unidentified		Oh, boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe nothing will save us.
		That'll do it.
		We're out of time.
		I'm sorry, everybody.
		We live and die by the clock, and now it's die time.
		So, from the high desert, on behalf of all of those out there who make this program possible, thank you.

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