Michael Brown, investigative journalist behind The Final Hour, revisits the 1978 Love Canal benzene contamination—238 homes evacuated despite only nearby properties being deemed hazardous—and ties it to his belief in demonic possession, citing thousands of cases worldwide. He dismisses radiocarbon dating as flawed, pointing to Richard Leakey’s fossil age corrections, and warns of supernatural forces behind societal decay, like MTV’s "Lusatanic symbology" or the UN’s religious unification efforts. Brown’s 1981 Medjugorje research revealed Virgin Mary apparitions amid biblical solar phenomena, while his travels in Venezuela and Chernobyl-linked villages reinforced prophetic warnings. If America’s moral and economic collapse accelerates—with extreme storms and crime as precursors—he predicts dissolution within 25–30 years unless repentance occurs. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I did you all good evening or good morning as the case may be.
And welcome to another edition, a Friday night, Saturday morning edition of Coast to Coast AM, live out across this great land, across all these time zones, from Christmas Island and Tahiti and the Hawaiian Islands, east into the Caribbean, south into northern South America, and of course, north to the North Pole.
Fair coverage, huh?
Good to be here, everybody.
And we are going to take a bit of a turn, as I do so many times on this program.
It's my feeling that talk radio should be no single thing.
And I've conducted it that way for years and years now.
We're going to have a guest tonight.
His name is Michael Brown.
And he will come from the Christian perspective.
He has written a book called The Final Hour.
Michael is an investigative journalist.
He actually broke the Love Canal story.
You remember that?
And now author, I think, two times over at least since then.
We'll tell you about his books, but this should reach out and grab you.
The reports come from deep in the former Soviet Union, where towering apparitions of Jesus and Mary seem to announce the fall of communism.
From the damp, windswept peat of Ireland, where visions are given of the crucifixion from war-torn Yugoslavia, where the Virgin has appeared since 1981, and a mountainside in Venezuela, where the sun pulses and spins and throws off colors of great splendor.
During the past century, and especially the last 10 years, we on earth have been experiencing a major supernatural episode.
Reports of unusual events, spiritual events coming from every habitable continent.
That's a bit of a teaser, and he will explain what he means, and we will talk of many things in a few moments when Michael Brown is here.
I think you're going to enjoy it.
I think I am too.
I am not a Catholic, but I've always thought Catholicism a beautiful, truly beautiful religion.
And in just a moment, we will embark and find out the Catholic view of what's going on in the world.
And you all know with predictions and prophecy, and these are things we're going to touch on, by the way.
I want to thank Virginia at Ancient Prophecies.
We've had a wonderful relationship.
For turning me on to Michael Brown.
She's the one who is responsible for suggesting Michael as a guest.
All right, let's do it.
I think he's in New York.
Let's try and connect with Michael Brown, author of The Final Hour and More.
Michael, let's, instead of reading, I've got sort of a bio on you here, but I thought I would let you tell us what you have done and how you have come to the final hour.
I was a newspaper journalist, local reporter, Niagara Falls, involved, like you said, in the exposure, the breaking of the story of the Love Canal toxic waste dump, as well as the entire situation of hazardous waste across America.
I wrote a book back in 1980 called Laying Waste that kept me busy for 10 years afterwards, traveling around warning about this danger.
And I lived in New York City for much of my career.
I wrote a book on the mafia.
I wrote another book on the environment.
I wrote a lot of science articles.
Or books.
I wrote a book called A Search for Eve, which was about a theory that through DNA they had tracked the first human being back or common ancestor of female ancestry in Africa and things of that nature.
I was a contributing editor at Science Digest and so forth.
to write magazine stories and then about five years ago went into full-time research into what i would call i guess christian phenomena for lack of a better term in other words I don't want to leave your early work for just a second.
Michael, the Love Canal thing, I've read and heard so much about that.
I can only imagine and would love to have you tell us a little of what it was like when that story was breaking.
But then to jump to the end of it for a second, I saw a piece not very long ago that seemed to suggest that a big mistake had been made and that really people did not have, shouldn't have moved away from Love Canal and that it just cost a whole bunch of money and wasted a bunch of money and the whole thing was for naught.
Well, there's a lot of misunderstanding because of what the Love Canal, because there were two Love Canals, what the Love Canal is and what the Love Canal is not.
You see, in 1978, there was an evacuation of the 238 homes that were closest to this leaking chemicals.
Two years later, after a lot of protest, there was an evacuation of people who lived somewhat farther away and were not, In many cases, really in the type of danger those original inhabitants were, but were moved for really political and psychological, emotional reasons.
And it's that outer zone that parts of which they're thinking of re-inhabiting or are re-inhabiting and making it seem like Love Canal was a lot of hot air, but it wasn't.
It was toxic air.
And those homes closest to Love Canal could never be re-inhabited because they don't exist.
They've been bulldozed over and dumped in a special landfill.
And also used in the manufacture of, was used in the manufacturer of certain plastics and so forth.
Very similar to DDT as far as a family of chemicals.
And then in 1978, there was a memo that I got my hands on.
And it showed that benzene, which is a human cancer-causing agent, was in the air of some of the homes near Love Canal.
And then I went in there and I did kind of an informal health survey in May of 1978.
And I was really non-plussed by how many people were claiming that their dogs were going bald, losing their fur, developing tumors allegedly, and all these ailments they were claiming from dizziness to epilepsy and breast cancer that seemed to afflict them once they moved near this place known as Love Canal, an old hydroelectric channel that has been filled up with, like I said, chlorinated material from years gone by.
And I told the health department about this.
The health department was planning, or Henceforward did plan to have a health survey of its own, which a couple months after that turned up rather hard scientific indications of miscarriages, high rates of miscarriage, and perhaps even birth deformities and some liver enzyme indicators among those living closest to the chemicals and issued an order of evacuation.
Once after Madison made everything snowballed, by August 2nd, 1978, people were streaming away from the site on orders of the state, and it became a major national story, the first toxic waste crisis in America.
And then you say you wrote about the mafia, and I've always been curious about that.
We had a reporter in Las Vegas who did a lot of reporting about the mafia, ended up drowning in Hawaii, not necessarily under suspicious circumstances, but that leads me into the question, should you worry a little bit when you write about the mafia?
I was writing about, specifically about a murder story that had occurred, involved a gangster from Newark, New Jersey, which is kind of the hub of mob activity in the United States.
And at any rate, he had got caught in this murder with several other people, or a couple other people, and turned into state witness in order to himself avoid jail and ended up ratting on over 70 of his former buddies, including a lot of heavy hitters.
I mean, they used to call them stone-cold killers in the parlance.
And so I kind of wrote the story, and I always was in consultation with county district attorney investigators, with high-level detectives, with FBI agents, with federal marshals, and I kind of knew where I could step and where I could.
I thought for a moment when you said with the right consultation, perhaps, you know, you went to the equivalent of the Godfather and got his blessing to do the book.
All right, so let's find out then, how in the world do we get from that sort of secular, serious investigative reporting to something like the final hour?
I fell away from the faith, I guess, around late in junior high school and high school, certainly in college, even though I went to a Jesuit university in New York City.
And for years afterwards, I was in, I guess you'd call it, that fast track on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, and with no time, certainly, for Sunday Mass or anything of the sort, which was kind of considered superstition.
But in 1983, in the middle of writing Vet Macia book, by the way, I had a series of experiences that to me indicated that there was actually a force of evil in the world.
Not just, I used to think, I think a lot of us think of evil as a generic term, something that means negative, people who do what's not right, criminals and so forth, but to think in terms of actual evil force, a devil, a real evil, the devil.
Yeah, and I started to have experiences indicating to me that it was a real force.
And of course, I was close enough to it writing about it.
And these experiences, including a rather dramatic dream I had, ended up turning me into a full-time Christian writer.
Well, again, this is a part of really a series of events that occurred over several months.
But one night I was coming back from socializing down in the, actually in the lower east village of Manhattan, and it was Friday night, single at the time, and I came home.
Again, it was a fast-lane stuff, you know.
And again, it was right towards the end of this mafia book I was writing.
With their hands over me, as if they were like healing me or delivering me or something.
And my feet were towards the door of my apartment.
I lived on 90th and 3rd on a 12th floor of a luxury apartment building.
And I had awakened because they had shown me this face materialized on my door.
And it was this elongated face with a very pointy chin, stereotypical demonic face, you know, with a goatee, the classic sunken jowls and so forth staring at me.
And it was a very living face, an etched face on my door.
And it was the most terrifying thing I've ever seen in my life.
It made anything like the mafia seem like kids' play.
And I woke up, Art, and I paced around for a while.
I went back to sleep, and the dream continued where it left off.
Yes, but with greater frequency than the movie indicates and with better success.
There are definitely cases of, there are many, many thousands of cases of demonic possession.
But most of the cases, of course, are not quite as dramatic as that.
But there are cases.
I have talked to priests, including one from Los Angeles area, who have been involved in exorcisms that are literally, literally as dramatic as some of the parts of the movie.
Not that their head twists around in the back, and not that there's pea soup flying across your movie screen, but certainly physical manifestations of levitation and just tremendously, in some cases, gruesome phenomenon.
I just never had a three-part dream before and haven't had one since.
I guess you had to be there.
It was a feeling that was, you know, right to the quick.
I mean, it was right to the heart.
You had no doubt you were encountering something that was extremely unusual and certainly wasn't your standard dream.
And that was, as I said, I don't know.
I mean, you could say it was a subconscious, but that was one in a series of, quite frankly, many other events that began to occur indicating to me that all of this talk about poltergeist phenomena, and I had done research earlier as a journalist writing for the Atlantic Monthly and other publications,
and as a newspaper reporter, I had done some investigating into people who claimed haunted houses and experiments with parapsychology and all of that other junk and so forth.
You know, I think that all of this tied in, that when you really look at things, there's a dimension outside of the body, and you better be careful what you fool around with because it can bring something to your door.
It's called Dreamland, and it deals with UFOs, and it deals with life after death.
If there is such thing, it explores those possibilities, and occasionally, of course, it moves into those realms.
We talk to a lot of people like Dr. Moody and others who believe, well, I'm sure you're well aware of what they believe, and I take it that your view of that sort of thing is negative.
I mean, to think that all of this organization came out of chaos is ridiculous.
I mean, what are the odds that just a massive water and soil would produce the high-level organisms that we see all around us and that we are ourselves?
Like I said, I did a book called A Search for Eve, which was on these theories of evolution.
I went to Africa.
I went to cave sites in Israel.
I went to DNA laboratories in Berkeley out in Earnecula Woods and also out to Hawaii looking at all this evidence.
And what I found, really, Art, is that scientists have no idea what happened or how this could happen.
They may pretend in some of these textbooks that they understand evolution, but they really don't.
And so I think that the miracle of life itself is the best evidence of God.
I mean, if you believe in their dating techniques, radiocarbon dating and thermoluminescence, I mean, I guess you could argue that modern man, anatomically modern man, has been around for 100,000 to 200,000 years and in kind of an eight-man form for hundreds of thousands of years previous.
I know they do, and I wouldn't cling to any dates, but that goes for any realm.
I don't believe too much in radiocarbon dating anymore.
I saw a case, I went to interview Richard Leakey, who's probably the foremost fossil hunter in history, and indeed one of the major scientists on the face of the planet Earth.
And he had a famous discovery called Skull 1470 that made the cover of Time magazine.
And then a short while later, he said, oops, we were off by a few hundred thousand years or so.
And, of course, that didn't make the cover of Time magazine.
But I'm very skeptical when they try to say something is a million years old or 200,000 years old.
I think all we have to do is look around us right now in American society to see the footprints of old Slewfoot.
I mean, not to be facetious about this, but there are a lot of manifestations right now.
You turn on MTV and it's like peering into a witch's coven.
I mean, there's a Lusatanic symbology throughout our musical culture right now and witchcraft rights and there's a lot of stuff going on everywhere, whether It's the crime rate, the criminal justice system, which is turning out to be very interesting right now, isn't it?
The final hour talks about the final hour of our era.
And what I say in the book, I report on various prophecies from around the world, a lot of them coming from the Catholic realm, including apparitions and alleged apparitions of the Virgin Mary.
That say that we're approaching, as I said, some type of major series of events that are going to break down or purify us, break down this evil, purify us from this evil, and lead us into some type of major reawakening.
You wrote, during the past century, and especially the last 10 years, we on Earth have been experiencing a major supernatural episode.
Now, give me an example of what you mean, the apparitions, the Virgin Mary.
Is it bigger than that?
Last night, for example, on this program, Michael, we had caller after caller from New Orleans, Louisiana, where crime is so far out of control.
They had over 420 murders last year.
It's a fairly small city as they go.
The police department has just got corruption all the way through it.
They're trying to do something about that.
We've got kids killing kids.
Seven-year-olds, 11-year-olds throwing seven-year-olds out of windows.
I watched a black guy look into a television screen the other day and say, look, you know, I don't care about my own life, and I don't give a damn whether I live or die.
I'm already resigned to the fact that I'm going to die, so if you ask me what I think about your life, you can only imagine.
And if you look, matter of fact, if you look at the ten most costly disasters in American history, in all of American history, going back to the Great Chicago Fire or the 1906 San Francisco earthquake or whatever you want to consider,
and adjusting for inflation and change in value of the dollar, of the top 10 worst disasters in American history monetarily, six or seven, might be seven now in light of the recent flooding, of these disasters, of these ten disasters have occurred since 1989 and four or five since 1992.
Something seems to be afoot and a lot of the activity is in California.
And what I see is that this is building momentum and building momentum until we're going to have perhaps one of these major earthquakes or a major storm of unprecedented proportion, whether in California or on the East Coast here or wherever.
You know, I even look at this earthquake in Kobe, Japan.
The name Kobe means the doorway of God in Japan there where 5,000 were killed.
And you start to wonder, you know, is God trying to tap us on his shoulder before stronger medicine?
I do a lot of research cross-denominationally, not just the Catholic realm, but also the Protestant realm.
And I've interviewed Jews, and I've interviewed all kinds of different people.
And there is a common thread.
There is this feeling, this unsettled feeling, that something is going to give soon or a series of events are going to give soon.
A lot of us are kind of waiting perhaps a little bit too obsessively about one major event like an asteroid or the big one in California or a tidal wave somewhere.
But I think that we're going to see a lot of regional events of perhaps unprecedented proportion in the coming years and decades, all leading up to some type of high-point event.
A lot of the prophets I talk to, again, and I talk to many of them, seem to suggest that prophecy is not a done deal.
Scallion said it, others have said it, that there are many possible courses or roads that we could, or realities or dimensions, or however you want to phrase it, that we can move down and that we don't have to move down the one toward the big disaster.
You also wrote, whether you're a believer or a disbeliever, Catholic or Protestant, Gentile or Jew, you're about to enter a series of unearthly events, call them alleged events, unlike any reported in 2,000 years.
Now, there's always a lot of jitters, I guess, when centuries turn the page.
And, you know, I forget what they call it, millennium madness, I think.
So how much of what's going on right now do you think is that?
How much is really a problem headed toward 2000 here?
Well, you know, a lot of it is millennial madness.
A lot of it is psychological.
I don't associate it with the year 2000 so much as a change of era that could occur after the year 2000 or before.
It could occur tomorrow for all we know.
We had to be careful because these are human timeframes and things don't work like that in the supernatural.
If you hear a prophecy that gives specific dates, usually it turns out to be a joke, something wrong, kind of a deception.
And so I don't put too much stock in the year 2000, but I do believe that in the next few years or few decades, we are really going to see some enormous events unless things change very rapidly.
You actually went to the physical locations and investigated some of these events regarding the Virgin Mary that the rest of us, Michael, have only heard rumors and talk and stories about.
Well, I've got to say, too, when I first arrived at this place where it said the Virgin Mary has been appearing to six young people since 1981, since June of 81, I thought it was a case of collective hysteria for the first few hours I was there.
Matter of fact, I was disgusted at myself for flying all that way.
But before I left five or six days later, it was the most incredible experience of my life.
And it's a feeling of peace there.
You feel like you're not on the planet Earth.
It's somewhere between here and heaven.
This tranquility, the power of God.
I saw the sun do stuff that I didn't think the sun could do.
I realized this is kind of a supernatural phenomenon because the sun certainly couldn't have been doing this or else everybody on earth would have seen it.
But it was throwing off colors and pulsing and there was a disk that moved in front of it.
Like a disk that, not a UFO or anything, but just something that seemed to be shielding the sunlight so you could stare at the sun for 10 minutes without blinking.
And without seeing sunspots.
And instead of sunspots, at one point in association with Magigoria, I saw these reddish, purplish hearts floating across my field of vision.
And just the, I saw other aerial phenomena while I was there, not UFOs, but rather more like the signs and wonders described in the New Testament.
And I think really the most impressive thing was just this feeling in your heart of peace.
Here you are in the stony hinterlands of Yugoslavia with nothing around, with no pools, with no TV, with no air conditioning, a lot of times with no heat if you're there during the cold months, and you didn't want to leave.
And a peasant village that's right out of pre-World War II.
And I mean, where people still used horse and buggy or horses to cart around their fire with.
I would really draw a differentiation between Hulker, a comic strip character, and this tremendously nefarious force who is a real force in the world and in our lives, and also can cause a lot of supernatural phenomena.
With witches, most people practicing witchcraft are not evil people, but I believe that, and excuse me for sounding pretentious when I refer to things like this as I did in the previous half hour, but it's a deception, and that's where the confusion is.
You see, witchcraft Does relate to demonic activity.
It goes back to ancient Babylon.
It goes back to Neanderthal times in Europe when they had pantheism and worship of horned-headed creatures and so forth, representations on old cave walls, or at least relics soon after the Croman Yong man, I should say, not Neanderthal.
And then it came through history, through ancient Babylon, through these strange gods and goddesses, and it came through Egypt and the time of the pyramids, and it came through the secret societies of Europe, and then the witchcraft in Germany, the secret societies that took a foothold even here in America.
And now we call it witchcraft and the New Age movement or the occult and so forth.
And I believe that a lot of it taps into a real supernatural force, but it's a force from the dark side that causes tremendous spiritual blindness so that they don't see the devil, so that they don't see the working of actual demonic entities.
And I strongly suggest that they get away from that quick.
Well, it's like taking a bullhorn to downtown New York City, to Times Square, and saying, hi out there, anyone who wants to come into my parlor is welcome.
I mean, would you do that?
You know, that's what you're doing in a spiritual realm with a Ouija board.
You're saying, whoever wants to come through, come on in.
And guess who's going to come in first?
You have to be careful with that, with tarot cards, with astrology and so forth, because these are all things that are mentioned, even biblically, as being extremely dangerous and putting you in touch with wizards and witches and the dark side.
And again, I don't want to insult any of your listenership, but you have to be very careful with this stuff.
I've seen phenomena with the Ouija board.
I used to investigate that type of thing to see if there was anything behind it.
I've been in the rooms when they turn stone cold all of a sudden and everyone gets prickly skin and it's a big thrill and everything and these messages come through the board.
But who's sending these messages?
What are the fruits?
What happens to people who fool around with this stuff?
And the answer is that often they get into a lot of trouble.
And you know, if you want to look at actual cases of possession, you'll be amazed how many of those cases started out with tarot cards or Ouija boards.
You'll be amazed because, again, you're inviting something in that you don't understand.
So many people, of course, you know, as you know, millions of people have had these experiences.
And I want to start out by saying that I hope I have an open mind in some regards, and I don't discount the possibility that a small percentage of these are extraterrestrial.
But I'll say that I've seen tremendous indication that it's more of a spiritual phenomena than a physical phenomena.
In other words, something from another dimension as opposed to another planet.
And we have to, once again, we have to be careful of a dark side.
We're told in the Bible that Satan will send lying wonders in the air.
Wonders in the air we're warned about biblically as well as through some of these Marian prophecies.
And we look, I think that there was one study that indicates as many as 8 million Americans are claiming sometime in their lives to have been abducted by radonauts.
That's right.
And I think if you look at the descriptions, that they're classic, it's classic demonology.
Yeah, I believe the answer is, the short answer is yes.
And the long answer, and I won't make it that long, is that I've been to laboratories where they did experiments with what they call random event generators and found out that people could divert the randomness of these machines against odds up to, I think it was 10 billion to one against chance.
These atomic type machines or machines run on thermal noise.
So there's a lot of evidence for that.
But once again, you've got to be careful because I used to think of it as just a scientific pursuit, another power of the mind, some kind of electrical dynamic coming from the brain.
Isn't there a danger, Michael, that coming from the Christian perspective, you would tend to perhaps miss something that is real and has a scientific explanation, and that you would miss it and tend to label it from the dark side?
I think that anyone from any perspective is, none of us have the whole picture, and we are narrow in our own ways, and I probably have done that in cases.
But I'll tell you, Art, I mean, when you're talking about something like the Ouija board, I've been there.
For example, if extraterrestrials, or what some would think as extraterrestrials, were actually to ever land and the door opens up and the little green or gray guys, whatever they are, walk out, I'm convinced that enough Christians in this country would be absolutely convinced they were devils, that they'd be filled full of lead and they'd never make it to the bottom of the ramp.
There are many people predicting that there will be many beings, many craft, and many people talk about 1995, believe it or not, and the years between now and the year 2000 as having, I'm sure you've heard these rumors.
now you it's a classic case whether it's California or the state of Maine or all across the country people are claiming that Oh.
You know, and claimed to have picked up the hitchhiker who, you know, says Gabriel, the trumpet is approaching Gabriel's lip or Gabriel is lifting a trumpet to his lip or Christ is coming soon or whatever.
And then, as you know, disappears from the back seat of a car.
And we'll have to remember that this type of hitchhiker phenomenon has been reported since the 1880s in this country.
It wasn't cars back then, it was the horse and carriage.
But I can't fathom it.
I don't know where it's coming from, but I do know that it's too widespread to be nothing.
But, you know, I can't speak for the others who are claiming this.
Often, it seems like a rehashed myth.
In other words, often you can't get to the base of the rumor of these hitchhikers because They're really just inaccurately reporting a story they heard third hand from somebody who also heard it thirdhand.
So it's often just a rumor.
But there have been some cases that I believe are legitimate.
Here's a facts just got in for Michael Brown, and I guess myself message.
I was asleep at 2 a.m. when your show starts here in Ohio, and in a dream, I was sitting next to you, and you were reading Michael Brown's book to me.
My wife and mother were also in the room.
You took a break from your reading.
You gave me the book so I could look it over.
The book was very old and shaped like a frame, like a picture frame, with small print on aged paper with a hollow center area.
In the center area, there was an old doll and loose rose petals.
I woke up with a start, and there you were, introducing Michael Brown.
And Michael Brown is my guest, and my Faxer wants to know if he interprets dreams.
And actually, in view of how he got started on this journey, that's probably a pretty good question and one we will pose with your calls in just a moment.
Dreams.
Dreams were a big subject in the O.J. Simpson trial.
They came up, in fact, with a witness again the other day, Michael.
And your journey, the present forum, was launched with a dream.
Do you interpret dreams, or have you attempted to have yours interpreted?
I don't pretend to have a lot of answers that I wish I did have.
I will say that the rose petals, there have been cases like in the Philippines where people have claimed to see the Virgin Mary and thousands of people claim to have seen rose petals that fell to the ground with images on them of Jesus or Mary and kind of Christian symbols.
So I don't know if that's relevant at all, but I don't try to interpret dreams because it's just never worked for me and it's something that I don't feel comfortable with.
I am, and I think there are too many coincidences.
Let's start with the word evil.
What does it spell backwards?
It spells the word liz backwards.
And I think that that's really a good definition of what evil is.
It twists things around, turns them backwards.
I think there's too much consistency, whether it's with Charles Manson and all of the symbols associated with him or going back centuries before to witches in Germany, or like I said, centuries before that to pagan times and in old Egypt.
Consistent symbols like the swastika that come through old Babylon right to the Nazis and the current-day skinheads who do a lot of evil deeds.
I think that there's just too much consistency to say, oh, it's an artifact of our imagination.
It's just a convenient way of explaining negativity and that all we need is a positive frame of mind.
I think your caller is right that a positive way of looking at things can transcend a negative experience.
We call positive thinking faith.
And I think with faith, you can get above that.
And I don't think that we should overly dwell on evil, but you do have to expose certain problems in order to find a remedy.
And I think that saying that we construct our own reality, well, I mean, it's true to a certain extent.
Through the way you act in life, you create your own reality.
But I think you can go a little bit too far with that.
There are certain things that exist, they're time-honored.
Whether or not they're spoken of In Moses' time or in our own time, there are tremendous similarities in the spiritual realm.
And I'm telling you right now that if the caller could have seen some of the things I have investigated, I don't think he'd have any doubt about the existence of an actual metaphysical force.
I mean, I'll say this, that a lot of times when the devil's involved or demons, because it's not just one...
There's nearly 6 billion people on this planet.
What are my chances of being the next Linda Blair?
I wasn't really, you know, I thought it was just kind of a freakish spirit.
But in fact, there's not just one spirit.
There are millions of forces out there.
And when you tap into those through sin, when you draw them to you because of how you're conducting your life, whether it's drugs, whether it's certain types of sexual activity, whether it's occultism, whatever it is, when you draw these forces into your life, you're going to draw with them some of this negative supernatural phenomena, and then you have to shake it.
I believe they're all around, and I believe that that's the positive side of all this.
You've got to be careful that it's not a deception, whether from the imagination or from another realm.
But I believe that this whole explosion of people with angel experiences is another aspect of the supernatural episode in progress, this spiritual warfare.
Okay, I'm going to tell you something, and I'm going to stick to my story here.
Over the years, I've done programs with a fellow named John Lear.
He is the son of Bill Lear, who invented the Lear jet.
He is a ufologist.
He studied UFOs for a long time, and he has come in recent years to the spiritual side of the question with regard to UFOs.
And he thinks, in fact, that they may be demonic in nature.
And he said to me something once that I've never shaken, Michael.
He said that he had good information and believed that when the choice comes, when you die, when you pass over to the other side, you should not go toward the light.
I still would feel a little more comfortable, I guess, with the light.
If it's holy, I think what you should do is pray.
There is so much phenomena going on that, you know, even these near-death experiences are fascinating, and I read them, and I think, like I said before, that a lot of them are valid, but others you have to be careful with because they start to get in the realm where they seem like some type of deception.
So we have to be so careful in this realm.
Some of the near-death experiences mimic the UFO experience.
When they have these experiences in that tunnel, Instead of seeing an angel of light, they see demonic faces and beast-like claws heading towards them, and they usually come back and change their lives.
Matter of fact, I just read a book that's out now about a woman who had an experience that seemed like very close to hell.
So there are positive and negative experiences after life, just like there are during life.
Well, in the way of being a conversional experience, I would say yes.
I felt that even though I wasn't involved in any evil in the way of, I was a reporter reporting on the mafia, and I had done some investigating, like I said, into psychic phenomena, which is now they call it New Age.
Even though I wasn't involved in that stuff myself, I was close enough that I think that the situation was becoming dangerous for me on a spiritual scale.
And I think that's why I talk about it now, even a dozen years later.
Well, I mean, biblically, whether it's in the book of Revelation or elsewhere, the trumpet is used to announce something.
And, of course, Gabriel is the angel who announced the coming of Jesus to Mary.
And is there a significance with an announcement of major events coming?
I mean, all these alleged hitchhikers saying that Gabriel is bringing the trumpet to his lips, does that mean chastisement?
Does that mean, like what you mentioned, with events coming in the world?
A lot of people think that we're on the verge of some type of manifestation of Christ's power, some type of perhaps phenomenon that will bring people back.
I don't know, but again, this hitchhiker phenomenon comes right from it.
It's not related at all to Marian apparitions, and yet it's part of the supernatural episode.
There's so much going on right now, and it's, and I don't pretend, and I hope I haven't come across pretentiously, because I don't pretend to have the answers.
I'm just trying to observe and report, and to warn that something's coming down.
Well, at Medjagoy, the Virgin Mary gave these six visionaries nine or ten secrets, depending on some of them have ten secrets, some have nine.
And these secrets pertain to events coming to the world, or at least some of the secrets do.
And I interviewed one of the visionaries named Mediana who said that the first three secrets she was given have to do with events that will come as warnings to mankind along with some kind of great miracle.
And she says that when the first secret unfolds, a lot of people will just, and a lot of the media will just explain it away as a natural event.
It will be some type of, well, I take it to be, some type of disaster or catastrophe on a regional scale.
And we'll hear about it, we'll see it, but everyone won't experience it at once.
And then she says that another event will come, and this time it'll be a lot harder for the scientists and for the media to just approve.
And then this third great miracle.
And then later on, she says that the, especially the ninth and tenth secrets, have to do with very grave events for the world.
And now, again, like you very astutely pointed out, a lot of these prophecies can be conditional.
But these medical secrets seem to involve something of rather unprecedented proportion.
I'm not a particularly religious person, I should tell you, Michael.
I guess I'm agnostic, but I feel something, and a lot of other people in the audience feel something coming.
And this seems to jive with what you're saying, jive with what Gordon Michael Scallion and others are saying.
And as I listen to you talk about an event followed by another larger event, and recalling what Gordon Michael Scallion said, you're both walking down exactly the same path from different perspectives, and that sort of scares me a little.
Let's get back to the phones.
We've got so many calls here.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael Brown.
I would say it's a great honor and would have been worth mentioning.
Anyway, Collar, anything else?
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Yeah, I read a lot of your work, Michael, and I think you're one of the foremost and best writers within the Marian movement.
One of the sections in the book, and I think it might have been the final hour, maybe one of the other books, that has always Kind of bothered me was the references to communism getting its start really from an organized human demonic organization that bankrolled communism in Russia.
Again, a lot of these things operate in a different, quite frankly, a different dimension.
But there are organizations that have been very humanistic and, quite frankly, anti-Christian that are based in some of the ancient mystery religions, like the Egyptian stuff we mentioned earlier.
And now they're considered just kind of like social clubs.
But some movers and shakers in the banking world and government and so forth belong just for political purposes and yet seems tied into organizations that in the past have bankrolled people like Vladimir Lenin and of course the one who brought communism to full force in the Soviet Union.
So I think there's something to it.
Quite frankly, the one who wrote about this was Pat Robertson in a book called The New World Order.
So I think there's something behind it, but I'm no expert at it.
There is a great battle on Earth going on between good and evil.
During the past century, my guest has written, and especially the last 10 years, we on Earth have been experiencing a major supernatural episode.
My guest, Michael Brown, nominated, We Just Found Out for a Bulitzer, The Man Who Broke the Love Canal story, is here talking about the supernatural and what it means and what it means to us and why all of this is going on and what it's building toward.
And we're going to get back to him in just a very few moments.
It's going to be a caller-intensive hour.
So get on the phone or the fax machine if you have a question.
This may be a good way to launch into this hour.
Dear Art, I'm a Christian with a very strong faith, but I've had odd experiences in the past few years and would like to ask Mr. Brown whether his investigations have discovered if there is any particular gemstones that are associated with Satan or any more associated with God.
It seems strange, but I wear a large variety of gemstone jewelry, and certain ones make me feel anxious or depressed, while others give me an energetic, peaceful feeling.
Some gemstone rings I wear on my left middle finger even seem to decrease the circulation.
I'm not a flake, but I'm curious since I believe God made all things, including all the natural stones, which are set into jewelry.
I would appreciate Michael Brown's view based on his research, Charlotte up in Portland.
Yeah, I really don't know anything about gemstones and all that, but it makes me a little bit wary because it gets into all of this crystal New Age type things, and I don't know.
I mean, I guess I'm Christian enough that if I'm going to wear something, it's going to be a cross, a crucifix.
But I really don't know.
It's something that may make him feel anxious because it's tied into, some of it can be tied into the occult.
Again, this gets back to ancient pagan practices.
They call it New Age, but it's old age in a new bottle.
Well, I would also say in New Orleans, you're on the front lines.
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Yes, exactly.
I called into a talk show about a week ago, and when I mentioned that, a lot of callers behind me called in and were serious.
And that's the deception.
They have been deceived.
And I like when Mr. Brown used that word, deceived, because that is exactly what is going on.
As much as I don't want to sound like a preacher or what have you, I think the more you get into the Word of God, the more He reveals to you the spiritual things, those spiritual mysteries that you can begin to see spiritually the things that are happening, the things that are antichrist.
You mentioned evil demons and devils.
Well, there's only one devil, and he has a host of demons that he dispatches to do all of his demonic activities.
Also, the angels are there to combat those.
That's also a warfare going on as we speak.
As we talk, there may be angels sitting right by you listening.
And this big airway that you have, Ardel, it's great because he wants his word, God wants his word to get out to as many people as possible.
Well, I'll start off by being candid and saying I don't know.
But I'll also add that, be frank about it, Art, there are a lot of prophecies coming from the Catholic realm that say that the answer may be yes.
I mean, we don't know the legitimacy of many of these prophecies, but I have a chapter in the book about one woman in South America.
I went to see her in Ecuador, who claims to be having apparitions of the Virgin Mary and claims, and I say claims, and I emphasize that because I don't know if it's true or not, but she claims that she was told as part of her message that the Antichrist is alive in the flesh and he's a young man.
Now, this sounds preposterous to a lot of people.
In fact, if you look historically, we've seen claims like this throughout history, especially in the 13th and the 14th centuries.
But there certainly is a spirit of Antichrist rising right now.
And one wonders if perhaps there is going to be a big shake-up.
There is going to be this new world order, and there's going to be an attempt at one world religion, and then a lot of things are going to come down, both natural events, societal events like perhaps riots and chaos, and the spiritual events like perhaps some type of political leader who will, if not the Antichrist himself, will be some type of precursor.
So there's just a lot of battling going on, and it's going to materialize more and more into the physical realm.
Economically, politically, I would say the new world order is on the way, Michael.
Anybody with any common sense looks at how things develop, and they develop first economically, and we are now hooked up economically, without any doubt, if not interdependent.
I'm wary a lot of times of the United Nations and what they propagate.
Indeed.
Because if you have anything that can control the world from a single source, you have to be wary that that single source is going to end up being evil.
Throughout history, the world has never been united as one world.
And you're right.
There are movements in that direction.
There are some frightening things when you look at what's happening in Brussels with unifying Europe, when you look at the trade agreements and so forth.
I don't want to be paranoiic because I think we can start to be chicken little here sometimes.
But on the other hand, look around you.
What's going on here with this globalism?
And what bothers me is that when you do have globalism, like United Nations Religious Program, they have a spiritual program that tries to unify religion.
They always try to unify it under pagan belief system, and there's a real anti-Christian bent.
I mean, in peasant villages back before the fall of communism.
Villages that don't have telephones, don't have radio, don't have newspapers, and yet in village after village, widely separated remote villages, they were all reporting phenomena back in 1987 with the Virgin Mary and with visions of Jesus that seemed to portend some major event,
which perhaps ended up being the fall of communism, and some unsettling prophecies about a great future war that may well involve the Soviet Union and China.
I'm very concerned about the former republics of the Soviet Union.
I'm very concerned about the Islamic element there.
I'm very concerned even about Turkey, which isn't part of the Soviet Union, but can cause a lot of Islamic unrest in the Soviet Union and in China.
When I saw that recently, I said, watch out, because I've been wondering about Turkey for years now.
And we have to be very wary of what could happen with these former republics of the Soviet Union.
Because when the Virgin Mary came to Medjugoria, it was in Yugoslavia.
And in 1981, she came saying, peace, have peace, because if you don't, there's going to be, she implied a hideous conflict.
And at the time, no one paid attention because Yugoslavia looked like it was going to make the easiest transition to democracy and capitalism.
And right now we know what happened.
It degenerated into a hideous conflict.
Well, you have the same ethnic mix in the former republics of the Soviet Union, the same ethnic hostilities, but on a much greater level.
And so I'm especially interested in the fact that all of these apparitions in the Soviet Union began on the first anniversary of Chernobyl.
And I'm also interested in the fact, and this is a coincidence, that the word Chernobyl is a Ukrainian word for a bitter herb called, that we would translate as being wormwood.
And if you look in the book of Revelation, wormwood has a lot of implications.
Again, what is striking to me, and you can't appreciate this because you did not, I had to send you the interview I had with Gordon Michael Scallion.
You two are traveling down exactly the same roads, giving exactly the same warnings.
It's just that you're coming from a Christian perspective, and he was coming from pure prophecy, if you will.
Not connected, at least in his mind.
Well, maybe it was.
You two, though, are going down such a similar road that it's frightening.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael Brown.
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Hi.
Hi, this is Janae in Santa Rosa, California, KSRO.
Yes.
Michael, I'm very impressed with your credibility and your background.
And the lady from New Orleans was quite right.
This is spiritual warfare that we're in.
And being so fleshly, of course, we take it that way and interpret it from that point of view, rather, from a spiritual.
And the two comments I want to make are, one, the scripture is very clear that Satan will appear as an angel of light.
Because, I mean, if he appeared as the evil being that he was, he'd reveal himself and people would flee and not be deceived.
And the question I have for you, Michael, is these apparitions of the Virgin Mary in various places, and I'm not denying that these things are occurring.
What I'm pointing out is what I believe is the source.
We are told very clearly in Scripture not to consort with the dead, that necromancy is against what the Lord wants for us.
So how is it consistent with Scripture and God's word that people could be consorting with Mary, who would be a dead human being?
And I have to say that back, I think, in Exodus and Deuteronomy, when we were told about sorcery and enchanters and so forth, necromancy is communicating with the dead.
We should not consort with mediums and people who allow spirits to talk through them.
But I think you have to draw a distinction between occultic communication with the dead and holy mysticism.
You look at Christ.
Christ in his transfiguration spoke to the dead.
He was still in human form when he spoke to Moses and Elijah.
He had apparitions of Moses and Elijah along with a couple of his disciples.
So there is a precedent for it, and I think that these appearances of the Virgin Mary are quite distinct from that type of occultism.
Although I've got to also tell you that there are cases of people reporting the Virgin Mary that turn out to be either products of imagination or exaggeration or spiritual deception.
So that does happen.
But I do think that we're right now in Revelation 12 and we're starting to begin Revelation chapter 13.
And chapter 12 of Revelation talks about a woman clothed with the sun and appearing in the remote hinterlands like Yugoslavia.
And I think that if you look back at that and what is said in Genesis about the woman putting her heel to the snake, the serpent's head, I think that we begin to form a precedent for what's going on.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet, from what I understand, is, and I don't know anything about her, but certainly a lot of people say that it gets into this New Age stuff, and I'd like to stay away from that.
And Hal Lindsay, Hal Lindsay's a Christian.
He gets into a lot of biblical prophecy from the Protestant perspective or from the non-denominational perspective.
He goes further than I do.
He says some things in a stronger way than I would as a journalist.
Again, as I mentioned, I can't sit here from my vantage point and tell you that we're in the last days or that we're approaching some final coming or final judgment.
But I will say that guys like Hale Lindsay are feeling some type of prophetic impulse, something like you're feeling too, Art.
Something is coming down the pike, and we better be prepared for it.
In the book of Hebrews, it speaks in reference to vessels of destruction being created, almost giving the impression, and I'm wanting to find out your opinion, that we really have no choice when it's all said and done.
you know what I'm talking about but we have not met Well, what it says that God created vessels of destruction as well as vessels for glory.
Meaning that there are vessels that were created for the dark side and then that there were vessels created for light.
My guest is Michael Brown, an investigative journalist and now an author.
His book, The Final Hour, is the one we're spending a lot of time with.
Michael has a very distinguished background.
He's in Albany, New York, and we will be getting back to Michael in just a moment.
I've got a number of faxes, a number of questions, and we're going to find out, or in fact, we're going to pry the information from him about exactly how you go about getting his book.
And because it is somewhat Christian in nature, you can't walk into any bookstore.
I presume you can walk into some and get them.
We'll find out exactly how you can get them.
So get a pencil and paper ready.
Now, once again, here's Michael Brown from Albany.
Well, you can in some, but you can order it through Waldens, the Christian bookstores, the Catholic bookstores.
But in some parts of the country, there's a problem because the secular stores don't often carry some of the Christian prophecies, even though the books sell as much as what they do carry.
But there is an 800 number that's available Monday morning, and they can call that and get the book also.
Well, certainly, if you look at the book of Revelation and you see the reference there to Babylon, it's very striking.
It seems like nearly a description of where I used to live, New York City, or I guess you could say Los Angeles, too.
A place where all of the merchants of the earth came and had all these luxuries and all of these jewels and precious stones and pearls and linen and purple and silk and all this other stuff.
And also was into sensuality and all kinds of promiscuity and so forth, perversions.
And of course we know what happened to Babylon.
It was destroyed.
So maybe it pertains, the fall of Babylon pertains to what's going on in American cities these days, especially New York and Los Angeles, San Francisco.
Now, that seventh secret at Majiguri, was it the seventh or eighth that was lessened there occurred that's been reported now several years back.
So, again, pointing out that these can be conditional prophecies.
However, I think if you take things in its totality, we've got a long way to go if we're going to prevent, like I said, major purifications from coming.
But I like that fact because it shows that there's hope.
Yes, Michael, I really like the way you communicate your ideas.
I was wanting to, I agree with the lady from Louisiana, another caller who remarked on the spiritual warfare.
And I'd like to boil it down further to the spiritual issue of control of the planet versus freedom of the planet spiritually.
And what I see presently right now is a huge amount of money, government funds being thrown at our social problems, crime, illiteracy, and drug addiction.
And yet those problems are not diminishing.
They're multiplying and expanding like wildfire.
And the field that is supposed to be handling, has been assigned to handle this area, these experts and professionals in the field of psychiatry and mental health, which is not a science and it has no proven method to justify its existence.
Their theory is that man is a mere animal, a soulless being, and these treatments have been used to rationalize doing all manner of things.
And again, I don't want to sound like Mr. Know it all because I recognize how very little I do know.
And I mean that sincerely.
However, I've got to say that there are a lot of things in psychology and psychiatry that are mislabeled.
A lot of the schizophrenia and psychosis, other forms of psychosis, including, of course, multiple personality, I think speaks more to possession and spiritual problems than to something, quote, psychological, unquote.
And I think that calling it a psychological term like schizophrenia is a smokescreen that prevents us from solving the problem.
If we would look at the spiritual roots of a lot of the problems in our society, whether it's drug use or crime or whatever, then I think we could make real progress.
And the same with somebody who is, quote, mentally ill, unquote.
Michael, I have spoken with Arthur before regarding the enthusiasm the public has around the world for killing its children, its fetuses.
Do you suspect that the enthusiasm for this practice might lie in something that you've outlined already in the conversations that you had earlier tonight?
I mean, I think we always have to look at the worldwide perspective because this crisis is an international one.
I think abortion is the biggest problem in human history.
And, you know, everyone's waiting for the big one or some event that will destroy a city.
But every year in this country, with 1.5 abortions, that's like wiping out the cities of Dallas and Buffalo combined.
So I think the chastisement in some ways is already here through our own hands.
But I'll tell you, I mean, you get this constantly through these Mary apparitions and the most credible ones.
If we don't stop this blood practice, which is really nearly a blood sacrifice, unknowingly, it's an unknowing blood sacrifice, if we don't stop this practice, then I think you can expect some truly, truly major events to happen, including in Western Europe with a natural event and in the former republics of the Soviet Union with warfare and natural disasters here in America.
We're starting to see with Hurricane Andrew, with these bizarre storms that have hit the East Coast.
We're always hearing Storm of the Century.
Storm of the Century.
California earlier this week.
Storm of the century geographically with so many counties involved.
How many storms of the century do we need?
Holland, which is one of the most liberal countries on earth, just was flooded out.
I mean, we're constantly hearing about the Mississippi flooding or the Rhine flooding or, like I said, the earthquake in Colbay or volcanoes and so forth.
When are we going to wake up and realize that something is fundamentally wrong and that these events are going to increase in frequency and intensity until we wake up?
And if we don't wake up, then we're going to see something of global proportions.
We're going to see some type of nearly cosmic event.
And anyway, what I'm calling about is that I personally, I feel that I've had two experiences with angelic presences.
One was when I was 11 years old.
It was in December of 69.
It only lasted for a short time, but it was after a church service.
By the way, my background is Lutheran.
That's not to say that I'm a particularly good Lutheran, but I've always taken it seriously.
But the second time that it happened was in January of 93.
And earlier in that day, I was in my university.
I'm a graduate student.
And anyhow, I talked, we had a lot of And anyhow, I mentioned about Najiguri, that this is something that you had to take seriously.
Not that I was any expert on it, but I knew a little bit about it.
And particularly the fact that there were predictions of a war.
And of course, this was in Bosnia.
And we all know what happened there.
So anyhow, I remember at the point that I started talking about that, there was a certain feeling of warmth that I felt within myself.
And later on, when I came back home from class, I felt very, I really did feel like there was an angelic presence, an incredible feeling of warmth, love, youthfulness.
And it stayed with me for, I would say, over an hour.
And after that, I actually ended up writing a beautiful poem, which was published in a local publication, which had quite a bit of what you might call subtle religious imagery.
But at any rate, I just basically wanted to come out of the closet and say this.
Well, of course, you know, as you know, with a fax machine and telephones and TV, things can seem more intense than they really are.
And in recorded history, because they didn't have the type of communication system we have, and because they didn't have the recording and reportage we have, we can't really compare.
But it certainly seems as if this much I can tell you, with Marianne Apparitions, Apparitions of the Virgin Mary, I've spoken in the last two and a half years in 108, last count, 108 cities.
And everywhere I go, I run into people who are having experiences like your other caller, or even stronger experiences visually, seeing things or hearing prophecy.
And so I know that I didn't hear this three years ago or four years ago or 10 years ago.
So something is definitely going on.
Like you said, if nothing else, you can sense it.
And if you talk to bishops and priests, they'll tell you that they've been around for a long time and they've never seen anything, anything approaching this.
So I think there's an objective reason to think that it is increasing tremendously in frequency and intensity.
And I hope we heed the reasons for this whole episode.
Well, the Magic Ray visionaries said that they're going to live to see the secrets that they were given unfold.
They're in their late 20s.
One of them said that before the events begin to unfold, that she will alert her spiritual director, who's a priest who's probably 55 years old at least right now, around 55 years old, which implies that he'll see the events.
So, I mean, I think in our lifetimes, if we're in our 40s and 50s, certainly, but I think that as far as, I think even this decade, we're seeing things already.
We're going to see more and more as this decade and as this century, as this millennium starts to approach its uncertain conclusion.
So I'm not saying something's going to happen in the year 2000.
I want to make that clear.
We can, as you said, get into this millennial madness.
But I think the next few years are going to be very interesting.
I think, I've got to play, I'll play this straight from the shoulder because that's the way I like to talk when I get in this realm.
If America doesn't change course, and it's a good country with good people with a good heart and a good spirit, it was founded on Christianity.
And even Washington had an alleged apparition of an angelic or a female being, a beautiful being.
If it doesn't change current course, America as we know it is going to basically dissemble.
It's going to fall apart.
It's not going to be recognizable in 25 to 30 years through not just natural disasters, but through societal chaos and rioting and economic problems.
And I think you're going to see some very interesting economic things in the future as well as all of these other events.
I would, again, keep an eye on all kinds of events occurring in parts of the country as being precursors for larger storms And larger societal chaos, larger crimes.
And I think that we may well see the breakdown of our technological society.
In some ways, our society has become artificial.
In many ways, it's become artificial.
And I think that this artificiality, this plasticity, this plastic way of living, is going to be broken down, and we're going to live humbler and simpler lives.
And I think that there's going to be widespread devastation through plagues and new plagues.
There's even a movie out right now called Outbreak.
And I think we should pay attention to prophecy, not just from the religious realm, but also from some of our artists, because they too feel this prophetic impulse.
And by the way, those of you, and I imagine there are going to be many, and I'm going to have to ask for a little bit of patience from the audience, those of you who would like to order copies of the program you've just heard may do so beginning now at the following telephone number.