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Feb. 12, 1995 - Art Bell
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Dreamland with Art Bell - Future Life & Past Lives - Dr. Bruce Goldberg
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Hi everybody, I'm Art Bell.
And I think you're going to enjoy this evening.
As, uh, in a way, kind of a follow-up to what we've done with Gordon Michael Scallion, uh, and beyond, of course.
But, uh, we'll follow up on a couple of those things as well.
Because our guest is going to be Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
And, uh, his specialty is hypnosis, past life, uh, regression, future life progression.
Uh, wait a minute now.
Future life progression.
Seems to me, if we can look into the future, We can look into the future.
So we'll ask him about some of what Gordon Michael Scallion said, predicted.
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In just one moment, Linda Howe will do an opening report for us,
and I understand she's got a very interesting one.
Many of you health-conscious people know about anti-oxidants.
In the Dolphin Island Parkway cattle farm area of Mobile.
The only tissue removed from the large 1800 pound bull was the tongue cut from deep within the throat near the larynx.
Mr. Frazier said that his two cows found 25 feet apart from each other, both lying on the same side with the same excisions, had four of their six teeth removed in neat circles.
But, as usual, the local livestock investigator told the sheriff's office that it was predator and that has been the formal conclusion.
Since the newspaper did an interview with me and some others, I've received phone reports from local residents who say that they have seen odd lights in the woods back of their homes not far from the pastures where the mutilated animals were found.
Linda, as a matter of interest, which predator is it that removes tongue and teeth?
As far as I know Art, none of them are capable of doing the kind of surgery I've seen with my own eyes.
And when I was in Colorado in January and presented the update on our research about animal mutilation for the last 12 months, I showed the sheriffs a whole series of photographs Done by Texas A&M and University of Utah wildlife specialists on what predators do to cattle, to sheep, to goats.
None of the photographs resemble any of the high strangeness bloodless cases and it impressed the sheriff As in Alabama, the rancher knows that what he's dealing with is not predator, but for some reason we are still living in a time when it is easier to deny this strange phenomenon than it is to just simply face it, deal with it straightforwardly, and investigate it.
Of course.
Now, if there are any Dreamland listeners in the Alabama area who hear about unusual animal deaths, I would greatly appreciate your calling me at 215-491-9840.
There's apparently an upsurge of activity in Alabama, and I would appreciate fresh, firsthand reports.
My address is Post Office Box 538.
In Huntingdon Valley, Pennsylvania.
And the zip code is 19006.
Again, the phone number for unusual animal death or strange light reports is 215-491-9840.
Alright, we're on the air in Birmingham.
Is it close to that?
Birmingham and Mobile, I don't know what the mileage is, but hopefully Birmingham listeners, maybe if you hear about something in the Mobile area, you can contact me because it's one of the big challenges getting information out of even local areas, let alone the states.
Right.
Now, in December, I reported about a man in Atlanta, Georgia, who watched helicopters escort what looked like a darker patch of blue sky that he could see moving against the lighter blue sky.
He wondered if the helicopters were escorting some kind of camouflage UFO or new aircraft.
I remember.
Yeah?
Well, last week I received a letter from another Greenland listener who heard the Atlanta man's report and talked to me about a United States government technology that might explain what the Georgia man saw, and according to her, is based on extraterrestrial technology.
The woman asked to remain anonymous even though she agreed to give this first-hand report about her conversation with a Central Intelligence Agency employee who has been involved in a project to make aerial craft invisible.
Oh my!
shades of the Philadelphia experiment.
He is an engineer, who had been an engineer...
Since college.
Ended up in management probably by the time he was in his 40s and somehow got associated with the CIA.
He lives in Washington, D.C.
and a very smart man.
My ex-husband had been an engineer and so we would talk engineering.
I had a little concept of what he was discussing.
It was fun.
And then once we got into some of the things that, you know, well, gee, you're going off to Vienna and you're going off here and there.
You're doing a lot of top secret things, aren't you?
And he'd kid me a little bit and say, no, of course not Linda, I wouldn't ever be able to do anything like that.
And just, you know, enough so I began to realize that he was involved in some things with the CIA, technical type of things that really were none of my business and so I probably shouldn't pursue it.
One night, however, after many, many months of just kidding around, he said to me, Okay.
Tell you what, I'll discuss something with you that's very interesting, that I've been involved in for a while, and obviously this is something for you alone, and we're in an area where no one else would have heard.
And he told me that they were working on a very top secret airplane that would be invisible.
It would fly over, you would not see it, you would not hear it.
Everyone knows there's technology that can, I guess, sound that's not a problem but is there something that
literally someone can walk in front of you or something can pass in front of you and you won't see
it.
I said well how on earth does that work and he said well it's altering of the cones and
the rods in your eyes when it passes by and I don't really know the technology but taking
a picture or whatever else you've got to have the lens working and all the little mechanisms
have to be working to receive the light into the eyes so that it registers and something
cuts off the light I don't know you'd have to ask an engineer how that works but that
is indeed the way they would do it so it's there it flies by it doesn't do anything to
itself it does something to your cones and your rods so that you cannot receive the light
to see it.
I remember him telling me that there was indeed a project and it did indeed work.
So whatever the reasons and the plans for it, I don't know.
But it was sort of precipitated by your asking him questions if he had knowledge about things extraterrestrial.
Yeah, definitely.
Wow.
Yeah.
Wow.
That's an important report.
And, you know, Linda, the visual spectrum to the human being is not very much different, except in frequency, than the audio spectrum.
And you can do that with audio.
You can virtually cancel audio.
Well, in fact, one of the footnotes to this, what I consider to be a very important report too, was my own experience at Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque back in April 1983, when I was talking with Air Force Office of Special Investigations Agent Richard C. Doty about extraterrestrial phenomena.
And he told me then, now this is 1983, that the government knew that the non-human intelligences that are interacting with our planet could deflect photons so that light would be deflected away from the human retina,
thus making the alien craft invisible when desired.
And this raises the interesting question that perhaps the popping in and popping out characteristics of the UFO
phenomena so often reported by eyewitnesses relates to the fact that the UFO phenomenon is a phenomenon
to a photon deflection technology and perhaps this woman's report is about CIA technology
of the human brain.
development that mimics that effect. It might be more technology than what people speculate
about in terms of inter-dimensional doorway popping in and popping out. This may be strictly
technology. If any of our Dreamland listeners have any more information about photon deflecting
technology or technology that would effect the cones and rods of the human eye by objects
flying over so they become invisible.
Please contact me at my post office box 538 in Huntington Valley, Pennsylvania and the zip code is 19006.
Well this is liable to get us a contact alright.
Either you or me or both of us by somebody we don't want to talk to.
Well, slowly by slowly steps, I think at least Dreamland, I am becoming extremely convinced that we have a lot of listeners with a lot of solid information and that they are learning that they can communicate anonymously and we will protect that but still share the information which we all need to know.
And just another small follow-up.
You have been talking with Gordon Michael Scallion about the future and you will be doing more so tonight with your guest.
Recently in the last three or four weeks I've been getting phone calls and letters from abductees that I have had files and dialogue with over the last few years.
And they are reporting what they call these virtual reality dreams that seem more real
than life itself.
And what they claim that they are seeing in the dreams are volcanoes and earthquakes.
It raises a question which I know you're going to be discussing tonight.
Is there something coming up here in the future that is going to involve more earthquakes and more volcanoes?
Alright, well you're like another source.
Then you have talked to a number of people who have said this or what?
Yes, I have had at least a half a dozen phone and letter reports from abductees who don't know each other.
They're in different parts of the country.
And periodically, I will get phone calls and letters and what's on their mind.
And right now, what is on their mind is upcoming earthquakes and volcanoes.
My, my, my.
All right.
Very good.
I appreciate that, Linda.
And I assume next week, I shouldn't assume, will you be in Philadelphia?
Where are you going to be?
I will be in Philadelphia as far as I know.
And I look forward to continuing correspondence from our Dreamland audience.
This letter and this interview, I think, gives you an idea of how strong the content can be.
Indeed.
Thank you, Linda.
And thank you, Art.
Take care.
And I'm going to repeat her phone number for those listening to WYDE in Birmingham, Alabama.
Or anybody else who has information on this technology that she just talked about.
That's fascinating.
Modifying the light and the way it's received in the cones and rods in your eye.
Linda's phone number is area code 2-1-0 Donahue, Joan Rivers, Regis and Kathy Lee, CNN and CBS News among others.
He's also served as a consultant on the film version of The Search for Grace, which was made into a movie for CBS starring Lisa Hartman and Ken Wall and aired in May of 1994.
He also, by the way, in December was on a program called Other Side, the other side NBC television, where he progressed a studio audience member into a future life And then later guided the entire studio audience into the future of this life and a future lifetime.
December 3rd, CNBC re-ran his 1993 interview with Tom Snyder.
And there they talked about physics and progression.
So, he's been all over the media.
Now he's over it a little more.
Here with just a couple of minutes before the bottom of the hour is Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
Hi, Dr. Goldberg.
Hi, Art.
Nice to reincarnate back on your show.
Yes, glad to have you.
I have some good news for both you and your listeners in reference to the topic that seems to be getting a lot of attention these days.
We can discuss this in more detail, of course, but progressions done by my patients, and I mean thousands of them, have shown that there will be no more major earthquakes Larger than the Northridge earthquake anyway of last year for the rest of the century.
So the gloom and doomers are not going to get it right this time.
That's good news.
And I'm glad to have something over on the other side.
But I would ask you this.
I can understand how one could easily document regression.
You could go back and look at history and records and you could go through careful documentation.
I know you've done that.
And prove that your information is accurate.
With regard to the future, how do you document it?
Well, you can document age progression first, and obviously this is what we did on the three patients that were kind enough to come on the other side with me two months ago for NBC here at the show, were patients who I had to work with about five years prior to the show.
And what we did was I followed them up.
I followed them through.
One of them was a case of a woman who had AIDS.
And she was able to proceed into the future where she was able to be taken off experimental medication that was not working and her immune system would respond between, let's say, four and five times the quality that it would have done had the medication worked.
That's exactly what happened.
Her CD4 count is now six times what it was back about in March of last year as a result of being taken off the medication.
And she came off that medication based on the progression?
Well, she came off the medication she chose.
We're going to talk about how we choose frequencies.
She actually chose her ideal path in which she was told by the physician that the medication was not working and that it's her option and whether she wants to stay on it to get the side effects.
And she said, okay, take me off it.
Okay, take me off.
All right, doctor.
Hold on.
We'll be right back to you.
Dr. Bruce Goldberg is my guest.
We'll be right back.
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It is, and I've got some information just in from USGS.
Alaska Information Center.
Brace yourselves.
There was a 6.2 earthquake today, uh, felt over a large area of Alaska.
I've got a second fact on it as well.
It was 6.2 in, uh, let me see.
Well, here's another fact.
Uh, we listen to you on KFAR Fairbanks, Alaska.
There was a 6.2 earthquake in South Central Alaska today.
And, uh, that's, uh, from Dan and Susan, and then combined with the USGS report that I have, also calling that, and a 6.2 earthquake in New Zealand, probably an aftershock.
Northern Peru, today, 5.7, and the California-Nevada border, 3.7.
In Las Vegas, they had a mild one, 3.3, and 2.2.
Las Vegas they had a mild one 3.3 and 2.2 make that two very mild ones
Then this facts good evening art. Please take a moment to welcome KY OS Merced, California
Back to carrying dreamland live and thanks for listening to their listeners
Yes indeed, thanks for listening to your listeners.
KYOS, back live with us on Sunday evenings.
Back to Dr. Goldberg.
Bruce, are you there?
I'm certainly here.
Okay.
We were talking a little bit about how you can document some of these things and again the nice thing about when you work with this, I've been doing this for 20 years now, is that with people who I've worked with over the many years who I can then follow through on those three patients that were kind enough to go on the other side interview two months ago.
These people had gone forward in time, back in 1989 all the way to about 1992 when I worked
with some of these people.
This was now anywhere from two to five years after the fact.
The perceptions that they had received and the ideal frequencies that we are going to
talk about how people can actually control their destiny was actually able to manifest
themselves.
So they actually documented the progressions.
Now if you can document age progressions then using simple extrapolation principles you
can also then make that a reasonable theory, let's just say, or hypothesis as to the future
lives coming through too.
Sure, makes sense to me.
In fact, I've worked with newscasters who predicted, in fact in the past I've visualized in my older book, there was a radio host who predicted a baseball score result, there was a newscaster who predicted, if you will, or progressed himself to perceive actual news items that actually came true.
Many of these were local and they couldn't, they were not logical items like a small plane crash and a fire in the city and the name of the person who died and things like that.
So there are lots of little things that give more credence to the idea that these progressions are of course reality.
One of the first things everybody would ask about this, Dr. Goldberg, if you can really begin to predict events, then you could predict the stock market, you could predict all kinds of financial trends and events that frankly could get you rich.
and the answer is you can do it. The problem here is this, you have something called the
laws of karma and this is what it means. It isn't just one future. This is what I always
have a problem with when people tell me about their psychic readings or some of the prognostications
or even their own precognitive dreams that they have because you are getting a frequency
or an option.
If you're not on that frequency, then the lottery number you get or the stock market reading you get is not going to be relevant to you.
You have to be on the same frequency where that perception or progression is attained.
All right, well let me tell you just one little bit about Gordon Michael Scalian, what he
said about how his visions come.
He said, almost like a television screen that plays in front of you, but not just one, three.
He said two of them will be fainter.
One of them will be brighter in contrast and is the most probable future, but he agrees
it could go, it could change, it could go another direction.
He says he's learned to pick this brighter, more probable future.
Does that make any sense?
That kind of coincides.
Actually, it does.
What he's saying, basically, is that, well, you know, in my, in Pathways Futurized, and also in The Search of Grace, in the back of it, I give the complete explanation of how the quantum physics space-time continuum works.
What I break it down to, very simply, are five basic options people have.
And the one that's ideal, if you will, that the one they can choose and be programmed to, is going to be the one that's going to be pretty much their framework of their reality.
Now what that means, for example, let's say that Mr. Scallion and others, and let's talk about people like Casey and Nostradamus and biblical predictions and all the ones that unfortunately show gloom and doom.
I'm not saying those aren't going to occur.
What I'm saying is that I know I'm not going to be on that frequency and anybody else who uses very simple techniques of switching tracks can actually be switched away from that track where that negative frequency is a reality to a more positive one.
Let me give you a good example of it.
The best thing I can relate to is that in 1977 when I developed the field of progression hypnotherapy, I decided to do a little research, an unpublished research experiment.
I wanted to take about 500 people into the future, specifically going to the end of the
century because of the various things I've mentioned, the Cayce and the Notre Dame and
the Bible and things like that.
So what I did was I found out that about 80% of these people showed that on the frequency
they were on, that in May of 1988, they all came up with the same figure, in May of 1988
a nuclear war began.
Now I don't read the papers every day, but I don't remember one.
In fact, a nuclear war is going on right now on a certain frequency.
We're not on that frequency.
That's how similar and how different they are.
It's on the same longitude and latitude.
It's on the same, shall we say, dimension, if you will, out there, except it's the parallel universe that it represents, which is proven, by the way, by quantum physics since 1957.
We know about parallel universes.
That has been documented at Princeton University, of all places.
You're in California, right?
I'm in Los Angeles, right?
Los Angeles.
change a dial, you're a hair off, you get a different frequency, you get a different
show coming in.
Alright, well you're in California, right?
I'm in Los Angeles, right?
Los Angeles.
My advice would be stay on a different frequency.
Well, of course, but my point is to choose the ideal frequency and stay on that one rather
than just say staying off all the others.
You have to know where you're coming from.
You have to have a scorecard with the players on there.
Most people, they don't have that.
What they do is they just unfortunately get hit by this gloom and doom.
We were talking a little bit before the show about how back, I remember I was doing a radio interview here in Los Angeles on KFI Radio, a big radio station out here.
And I was regressing and progressing the host of the show into the future.
She went to the 23rd century.
That was a great show, but what happened was that she was very nervous during that show because that was November of 1991.
And the following month, this seismologist at Caltech predicted a major, major earthquake in the Midwest, the Mississippi River Valley, covering like about 10 or 12 states.
It was supposed to be the worst earthquake in the world.
I remember it, yeah.
And guess what?
And the news cameras were there, and CNN was there, and everybody was there.
And, uh, December 7th, Pearl Harbor Day of 1991 occurred, exactly 50 years, by the way.
And guess what?
Nothing happened.
And this was one of the most prominent men in this field, who is not on the news very much these days, fortunately.
But my point here is that you can't predict earthquakes scientifically.
Now, psychically, of course you can get vibrations, and patients of mine can get progressions showing that.
But if you look around and perceive the other four major options, you'll find That there are no major earthquakes on at least one, if not two, of the major frequencies.
And if you're on that frequency, the Northridge earthquake of last year here, or some of these others.
You mentioned 6.2.
I don't like any earthquakes at all, but you know something?
6.2 is not going to put California into the ocean.
No.
Oh, no.
It certainly is not.
There's no question about it.
Those are just quakes that occurred today.
Right.
But what I'm saying is that people feel that the so-called big one... You know, they had... I remember on the local news here just in Los Angeles about a week or so or ten days ago, they interviewed a Caltech scientist, seismologist, and he said, well, you know, there's so much pressure built up, we haven't really had a big earthquake.
The big one, for like, since 1810 or something crazy bigger.
So he says, we're really due for one.
He says, well, when's it going to be?
He says, well, it could be tomorrow or in 75 years.
That's right.
Well, actually, I think they narrow it down to the next 30 years.
It could be tomorrow or within the next 30 years.
But science is out there also warning right now of a big earthquake.
So you're right.
You're running against the trend, but that's fine.
I hope you're right.
The point is not to be scared by it.
This is what you call playing defense.
And see, my point here as a therapist is empowerment.
Number one, I'm not saying, believe me, I'm the last person in the world to do things of complete folly.
I didn't move from the East Coast to the West Coast because I wanted to be in the middle of the Pacific Ocean on a dinghy, you know?
Well, maybe this is why somebody accosted Dan Rather and demanded to know the frequency.
I don't know.
But what I'm saying is that, look, if you send the energy out that you're worried about the possibility of what if, then you actually create an energy level that can make that a reality.
If you take an empowered point of view, and if you take the point of view that, you know something, I don't really worry about earthquakes, there's not a darn thing I can do about them anyway, I'm going to think positively and program myself Well, that's interesting.
on a positive level, guess what? You now have decreased significantly the likelihood of
that disaster occurring. Well that's interesting. If that's a universal
truth then those who predict doom and gloom are bringing it on.
Well, they're only bringing it on to themselves. You have to have millions and millions of
people actually send that negative energy out to do that.
That's why, for example, those of you who are listeners out there who may have, not that
this is a scientific treatise, if he ever read for example the Seth material Jane Roberts
books in the early 70s.
They would talk about death.
The discarnate entity would talk about how, well, you know, these earthquakes and these typhoons and all these little things are brought about by the global magnified negative energy.
Quantum physicists have actually documented the fact that energy does have a certain effect.
In fact, there was a scientist, a neurologist up at Stanford by the name of Carl Pribham, who's now retired in North Carolina now.
When he was there for 30 years, he came up with the holonomic memory theory or brain
theory which states and combines neurology with quantum mechanics which says that not
only does a thought create a hologram, but that hologram creates parallel universes marrying
into quantum physics and you literally have a three-dimensional representation of your
reality and your future and your parallel futures by just having thoughts occur in your
mind.
If you can do this with regard to external events, doctor, then I would think that the
power to heal oneself would be overwhelmingly strong.
Well, it is.
You know in my older book, Passed by Future Lights, I talked about a case of hysterical
blindness of a woman who was able to use a regression and cleansing technique to reverse
that.
I deal with allergies every week in my office.
I have psychosomatic illnesses.
I have patients who have everything from asthma, migraine headaches, to colitis, to spastic
stomach and colon, etc.
These are people who are making tremendous, and of course immune system.
Let's not forget about the woman who was on the other side with me, Mary.
She was able to build up her immune system where she's almost out of the AIDS classification.
Now that's how good her immune system is these days.
I've been reading a book called You Don't Have to Die, and I can't remember the name of the author, but there were a lot of similar cases documented in there of people who have literally actually brought themselves out of the AIDS classification by raising their T4 count.
And also people who have remissed cancer too much, because see the research today, I had a call from an old friend from NIH, She wants me to work on a research project with her, one of
the grants in the future in reference to my techniques, just as more of a
theoretical backup.
I said fine, but what they are doing is now they are finding that the classic age research
isn't working.
Just as in Mary's case, she had to be pulled off the drug because it wasn't working.
What they are doing now is they are using the cancer research because the cancer, the
problem with cancer is that the T lymphocytes which fight cancer for the most part, they
won't attack their own cells.
That's why cancer, which is nothing but a normal cell that has become abnormal, the
immune system doesn't attack its own.
So that's why these tumors grow and grow and grow.
And they are trying to use some of the ways to stimulate the cancer immune system to deal
What's also interesting is this.
Carl Simonton, back in the 60s or early 70s when he developed the visual imagery techniques for fighting cancer by using the, you know, you imagine the cancer is a piece of meat and your immune system is a bunch of sharks and things like that.
What he did was, he did that on more of a psychological, hypnotic viewpoint because his wife Stephanie was a psychologist.
But at Penn State University, among others, I'm familiar with Penn State because of my undergraduate background in biochemistry.
They found out that when patients were exhibiting hypnotic levels, alpha levels, which also includes meditation, that they would actually increase the amount of T-lymphocytes produced when they would do these biochemicals.
They would take certain aspects of the spinal fluid and brain-mind barrier extracts to see what the production of the immune system was.
They found out that in alpha, the production of T-lymphocytes was always increased.
So, therefore, then we have scientific and absolute biochemical evidence to show that when people do things like relax levels of alpha, that they actually increase their immune system.
In fact, I have a new scientific article coming out later this year, which will be a survey of the medical literature, it's not my research, showing how the medical literature shows that there is an adrenal corticosteroid produced by the adrenal gland called DHEA-S.
And what this does, the production of this slows down the aging process.
I think the purpose of the article is to show how by using alpha levels like meditation,
hypnosis, yoga, biofeedback, etc. that you actually will look younger.
In fact, patients of mine that I see in my Los Angeles office, when they come in here
and they've been practicing yoga and meditation for 20 years, I can tell automatically because
they never looked their age.
And neither do I.
I mean, you've seen pictures of me.
I don't look my age, either.
No, you don't.
I don't have a picture in the attic with a spear on it, either.
You know, it's done by alpha technique.
Okay, listen, I'm curious.
As you progress somebody toward a future life, wouldn't it be possible to discern their rough date of death?
Oh, sure.
You can get the exact date of death, actually.
Do people want to know?
Well, you know, it's interesting.
A lot of them don't, of course, but inquiring minds want to know, I guess, is a way of doing it.
What they really are more interested in is not so much the exact date, because certain things you can prevent.
You can prevent getting hit by a car if you didn't leave your house that day, yes, but you can't prevent, necessarily, dying of old age or dying in your sleep at 3 o'clock in the morning in the year 2020.
So then they want to know the manner?
They want to know the manner.
They also want to know, is this the ideal frequency?
I mean, did they accomplish what they wanted to, even though they were all going to die at the given for the biological body?
But the question is, if they had a better frequency and a more fulfilled life, and they left their mark to their children and to the universe on a much more positive note, wouldn't it be better to die even younger, or maybe even more traumatically, if you will, than to live out a longer life and just be sort of like taking up the oxygen?
Oh, that's a fascinating concept.
Have you been able to document the death of anybody?
Oh, oh, sure.
As a matter of fact, I had, I'll tell you, a very interesting case.
This is one where I was working with this gentleman who is an attorney from the East Coast.
Okay, hold on.
That's a good hook.
Let me take a break here.
We'll be right back with Dr. Goldberg.
Let me tell you what happened.
This attorney wanted to know what his ideal future was, so he was using my progression tapes that I always give a patient when I work with him, and he perceived himself having his ideal future where his wife was going to die in a car accident on the Capitol Beltway in Washington on a snowy February night.
and uh... he's adopted that this is a great frequency but my wife dies and i
said well it's it's your choice he says what is it like murder and i
said no i mean your wife uh...
if she chooses her death if that's what you want she will choose her death you
don't need to know what does the break line of her who played over car
you just uh... you just progressed yourself into the future or the turned
out he chose that ideal future and then i moved to the west coast i didn't hear from for a
few years and finally he called me
and he said you know doctors of my life is completely turned around everything
I said, well, how is your wife?
And he said, oh, well, that's one thing I have to tell you.
She did die in February.
This is about a year or two before that, in the Capitol Beltway on a snowy night, just like he perceived in his age progression.
Oh my God.
Now, the question is, again, did he tell his wife about the thing?
As a matter of fact, yes, he did.
His wife absolutely hated me.
She must have thought I had three sixes on my skull.
She did not like anything to do with my work at all.
I'm sure.
She just despised it.
So she just rejected everything.
So it wasn't a great conversation that he had with her.
But at the same time, on the principle here is that, believe me, I don't wish anybody's
death, but remember, everybody chooses their own death.
His wife literally chose to have that happen.
She was informed about the situation and just ignored him.
As it turned out, his progression was extraordinarily accurate and that's what happened.
She's no longer on the earth plane in this frequency anyway.
But she is on others, you see.
What would the implications be of having changed the...
that do you think if he just said oh well of course i don't want my wife to
die absolutely uh... not allowed her to go out on any of those nights and had
changed it well interesting enough you know if if if this is a a uh...
change of the space time continuum you would think that would cause major
problems some people would say but you know something you really wouldn't what
would happen with that if she lived
okay then he still would have done his thing done his that wouldn't have
necessarily changed his other aspects of the frequency and then because she lived
and her thoughts would create a new reality and his thoughts would create
additional realities they would simply just uh... make certain addendums and
changes to that their frequency in the space time continuum I don't think it's the same thing as if you stop the assassination of President Kennedy, or if you stop the bombing of Hiroshima.
Those would be a lot more significant aspects to the space-time continuum.
Would she, in your opinion, have died anyway within a short time?
That we don't know because, you see, I don't do that.
Alright, I understand.
Doctor, we've got a hold right there.
Fascinating point, too.
Doctor Bruce Goldberg is my guest.
Good evening, everybody.
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And, uh, I wish to, um, say good evening to everybody.
I am Art Bell.
My guest is Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
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Thanks, thanks very much, folks.
Very encouraging.
Very positive.
Maybe if everybody feels that way, we are doomed, according to Dr. Goldberg.
Actually, according to Dr. Goldberg, we're not at all.
I want to take a second out.
We've got a pretty heavy commercial load.
We're booked tight, actually, with a waiting list to get on this program to give you some idea of its popularity.
Back now with Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
Doctor, would changing the impending death of yourself or another be like fooling Mother Nature?
Would it be like that?
No, not really.
You can't fool Mother Nature.
You can simply sidetrack her.
I mean, basically, you know, technically, there are things that you can do.
We fool Mother Nature, if you will, or try to disguise it with modern medicine.
I mean, people live longer than they ever did before.
That's true.
And so that doesn't cause the space-time continuum to go into some sort of like reverse zit here.
I mean, people still go on.
But let me tell you, one of the things that I think both you may relate to this as well, and I'm sure your listeners will, is the idea of a lot of these events, like progressions and regressions in our body experiences, etc., are preceded by dreams.
In the case that was made into the movie, The Search for Grace, my new book, this is a woman who was murdered by the same man 20 times in 46 lives.
And when she came to see me, she was getting these nightmares, these literally post-traumatic stress disorders type of nightmares of being murdered by a man looking differently, but she realized or felt it was the same person.
When she went through all these exotic experiences and was able to remove this karmic bond, if you will, this negative karmic trait and karmic debt, if you will, and she was able to break off this relationship, just before doing that she had dreams of herself being murdered by him in her current life.
I don't take credit for this case.
It's really hers.
I only train patients to do their thing.
But literally had she not had done that, she probably would have been murdered.
He tried to murder her on three different occasions.
It was a very, very exotic case, but my point here is that she was able to change her future by having some sneak previews by dreams, but also by being able to literally raise the quality of her own soul's energy by using the very simple techniques that we use.
And interestingly, without the world coming apart.
That's right.
And no earthquake at the same time.
I hate to even bring this up, but I'm going to do it.
The O.J.
trial, as you know, they talked about dreams in the O.J.
trial.
He reportedly had one, and they made a big deal out of it.
Marsha Clark, the prosecutor, said, a dream is your heart's wish.
Or your heart's desire.
I can't remember.
She was quoting Disney.
Is that what a dream is?
What is a dream?
Actually, I tell you, Marsha Clark does not have degrees in psychology, I grant you.
Well, she thinks she does.
Although, you should see her top list.
They'll pick up the Enquirer.
But anyway...
Are you serious?
Do they have a topless picture of Marsha?
Oh sure, yeah.
It's entered, but yeah.
It's incredible.
Sure.
This is before she got her briefs.
The point here about dreams, what dreams are physiologically?
I deal with like real hard science.
And what dreams are, when you have a dream, It doesn't matter what the theme is.
The dream that you're having is actually a remnant of anywhere between 30 and 50 fragments of dreams.
They really do mean nothing.
Now, when they do actually come true, like a precognitive dream, or when you re-dream about a past experience that it actually documents and lays out as a past life regression, that's fine.
You're getting a nice scenario coming in.
But most dreams are just absolute nothing but, you might say, the mind doodling at night.
They really don't mean anything.
They're not necessarily the heart's want.
I have said that, the random firing of synapses.
Some of them are just wishful thinking, sure.
Some of them are actual reviews of real past and future experiences, and some of them are nothing but a big, you might say, antipasto of just things that are going on in different levels.
I wouldn't sell the farm I talked to somebody the other day, Doctor, who said, we're
talking about falling dreams.
He said, I actually have come to the point where I'll have a falling dream and I'll realize
midway down that I'm dreaming.
In order to have the experience, I willed myself to go ahead and fall the rest of the
way.
He said, I landed, or crashed, more like it, and laughed and got up and shook myself off
and woke up.
Well, he had now, you see, now that you, you now change the terminology.
Now he had a lucid dream, which means that you now know that you're dreaming, which really
changes the rules now.
The lucid dream is actually almost a somnambulistic or very deep level hypnotic trance, is really what you're doing when you're doing that.
But now he's changing the rules.
See, most people, if you talk about their dreams of falling, they never splat.
They simply, they wake up beforehand, either they wake up yelling or screaming, or they just wake up and they say, you know, that was kind of pleasant, but I really wish I wasn't falling.
With a start.
I usually wake up with kind of a start.
Right.
What that is, is basically, it's a conscious remnant of an out-of-body experience.
All dreams are out-of-body experiences.
This has been documented for nearly 40 years now.
So basically he's now changing the terms by being a lucid dreamer, which is very hard to do.
It takes a lot of training actually.
But wait a minute, you're changing the story on me midway here.
You're saying now, first you said all dreams are basically random synapses firing.
Now you're saying all dreams are out of body experiences.
Oh yeah, well one is not necessarily a problem with the other.
I mean, out-of-body experience simply means that when you're dreaming, the soul, the subconscious mind or spirit is leaving the physical body and when it enters into it, the synapses that you're referring to, the firing of synapses and the hypothalamus and all the storage of memories, etc., are simply just retrieving what you did when you took your little trip out of the body.
I mean, that's part of the system.
But see, the point here is that when most people don't dream of splatting or landing, what they do is they simply wake up beforehand.
He changed the rules by being a lucid dreamer.
Now you're in a different ballgame.
Now you're in a... you add another gear to the car here, you see.
So now he can control that dream any way he wants to.
There was a great movie called Dreamscape, I don't know if you remember, it came out about five or six years ago, where people would dream about, actually the dreams were reality and they were dreaming about this plot to kill the president or whatever they were doing.
It was a great movie where the dreams were actually real and they were implanting real dreams into people to do their thing.
Of course, it was science fiction, but again, it's based upon science.
But no, dreams are, actually most people when they die at night, those people that are old, you know, elderly or dying of natural causes if you will, they will die in the middle of the night in the dream levels because the dream levels represent a very uptight and very tense area as compared to the unconscious mind, whereas during the waking day, the dream levels or the daydream levels of alpha or hypnosis or simple daydreams as you would call it, is really the more relaxing part of the day.
When you take somebody through a regression or progression, how much of what you learn do you tell and how much on a regular basis would you hold back?
Well, actually, I hold back almost nothing because I don't have to hold back anything.
They're telling me.
I don't tell them.
I'm not a psychic.
I ask them the questions.
It's almost like an O.J.
Simpson interrogation here.
I ask them the questions and they say, I say, where are you?
I'm on a carriage driving in London in 1921 with rhinestones on the boots, whatever, and they tell me everything.
Now, the patients who will not be able to recall, where of course I will tape those sessions when they have what we call hypnoamnesia, those are people who are in a fairly deep level of trance, and that's only going to be about maybe 20% of the population that will do that.
80% minimum will have complete, absolute memories of everything that they do.
I don't have to withhold.
I don't have to have past life regression interrupt this over anything.
What is the process that will prevent recall, do you suppose?
Well, of course, there are a couple of things.
Number one, if a person is receiving anything that's traumatic and they don't want to recall it, just like a person will not remember, you know, if you ask most people to describe what they were like in junior high school and high school, they will probably tell you they were the captain of the football team and had 17 cheerleaders, when in fact they probably had, you know, pen holders in their pocket and very thick glasses, you know?
I mean, people have a tendency to exaggerate their background to avoid the negativity.
Well, then what leads you to believe that they would not exaggerate the existence of a past life or a future life?
In other words, to fantasize?
Well, of course, in the search for grace, this is a case where I'm not really a big person on documentation.
I do have cases that are fairly documented over the years.
But this is a case where I turned over to CBS, who then hired an independent researcher to look at the material.
As it turned out, not only was the woman accurate on two dozen facts that she gave, but two of the things she reported in Trans, namely her age at her death, she said she was 32 and not looking forward to her 33rd birthday, and she said the name of her son was Cliff.
The newspaper report said that she was 30 years old and her son's name was Chester Jr.
As it turned out, surveying the birth and death certificates, which in New York State where this occurred, You have to get the political permission of the governor's office, and nobody can get that unless you're a family member, and this woman is far from a family member.
As it turns out, she was right, they were wrong.
So therefore, not only does this case document, but it documented on facts that she should have told me the false data had she just read newspaper reports.
It now stands as one of the most documented cases of the century.
Okay, it seems irrefutable, but again, my question, past that case, in how many cases of this sort do you suppose what you get is fanciful?
Well, actually, I tell you, when I do the regression, I can't speak for anyone else.
When I do a regression, I at times use what we call the federal model to make it as objective as possible.
I'm really not particularly worried about the data, because when I do check them out, or I hire researchers to do that when I don't have the time or the ability to go across the country on these things, I find a tremendous validity to it.
I mean, when they're dealing with the ancient continent of Atlantis or Lemuria, or they're dealing with the 34th century progression on another planet, obviously unless you're real patient, you're going to have to wait around for that.
But the regressions that I get from other patients, not just Ivy, the one in the Search for Grace, but others are very, very valid.
In fact, I've had people who just used my past life regression tape.
Here's a very interesting woman who shared me on a radio show out of Boston and she ordered this tape and she went into a past life that took her into North Carolina in the late 1600s where she was working on a farm, a plantation for cotton or whatever it was.
She then took a vacation, decided to check this out, went into the court records, and by the way, the court records on the East Coast do have inventory going back to the 1600s.
They're actually kept on court files.
And in fact, it turned out that the number of bushels of cotton that she read out in trance, that she remembered, was actually on the court records.
And that her name, the dates, the family that she had, all of that verified.
So she literally documented her life just by playing a past life regression tape.
And she'd never been south of the Mason-Dixon line in her life.
She was a good old New Englander from heart.
So here's an example of another case of people actually validating it.
So I think the information, if properly done, we're assuming the person is a competent therapist, we're assuming that the patient trusts the therapist, and that this isn't some sort of a game or joke, and that the person is in a decent level of trance, that really isn't difficult at all.
And I think the information properly done is extremely valid.
So valid that not only am I, but my colleagues are, As a forensic consultant, hypnosis, age regression, just age regression, not past life, is used in all major police departments in this country.
Every LAPD, NYPD, they all have either people like me, outside consultants, or captains, or sergeants, or lieutenants, etc.
People who are trained to use investigative hypnosis to go back to get data that can be corroborated independently in their investigation, and it's done all the time.
It's remarkable.
One of the things, again, just for a second, I can't resist on the O.J.
trial.
Alright.
One of the things you recall with respect to this dream, the introduction of this testimony was made possible because O.J.
had said to somebody, I had a dream of this and so I think it would affect my lie detector test results.
Would you think that to be a valid comment?
Well, actually, I think that first of all, the dream should never be, if you talk to any attorney, the dream should never be admitted.
I mean, this is going to be automatically a case for appeal.
I agree.
I do agree.
Secondly, the polygraph is not admissible either, so you have two inadmissible things that should be inadmissible.
Alright, having said that, the dream himself, if the dream convinced him one way or another, that's one thing.
If the dream upset him... See, the lie detector, or polygraph, which of course is not admissible, only detects emotional spikes in your system.
When you lie, you're supposed to worry about it and get stressed and the BMR, the basic metabolic rate and the heart rate and the pulse rate is supposed to go up and that's what the lie detector is measuring.
That's all it measures.
John Jones was infamous for being able to take lie detector tests when it wasn't a mystical impasse.
It's true, it's quite true.
Ask an FBI agent, he'll tell you about that.
I have former agents who work for me who told me that, and I've also read reports on that.
He had no superego, no soul, literally.
He could just simply lie like a trooper, didn't think he was lying, or he could just get away with it.
So, if anything, if he dreamt about his old TV series being cancelled, anything that would upset him, Then that would make the lie detector, of course, spike and jump and make him sound like he was lying.
So he was really right?
Well, he was right, of course, but it didn't have to be the dream.
He could have just gone over, you know, one of his games where he only gained 20 yards against the Dolphins in 1972.
You know, that could have done it, too.
It could have been anything.
I also take it, by the way, that somebody who could consistently pass a lie detector test and lie successfully could have a session with Dr. Goldberg and come away Well, you know something?
I've thought of that myself.
And a pathological liar or maybe a paranoid schizophrenic was very good at that.
It hasn't happened yet, but it did happen to a colleague of mine.
Do you know the book, Abductions, by John Mack?
I talked to Dr. Mack not long ago here on the air, so yes, I know all about it.
Well, there was a case that apparently got by him, and I don't know the details of that particular situation, but I have never run into that.
I mean, I've been on so many television shows with patients of mine, radio and TV shows, that if anybody was trying to dupe me, or whether it be one of these organizations, like a certain one in Buffalo, New York, that we both, I'm sure, know very well, who like to plant people in places like that, or research laboratories, and try to say, oh, guess what, this is a magician, and the whole thing's a scam, you know?
But I have never had that.
I've been doing this for over 20 years, and boy, I'll tell you, I'm a real target.
If anybody wants to try to do that, boy, you know, I mean, I'm very public with it.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
I've never had that problem, but then again, whether it's good karma or whether it's simply the fact that I really do feel that with hypnosis and with proper techniques, it really would be tough.
I think I could detect a liar or somebody who's trying to fake it in a New York Minute, because I've had one occasion where a husband of a wife I was working with who was trying to cooperate over a past life tie and he was
just trying to patronize his wife and of course I saw him separately and
He did try to fudge it and I said look I said I know you try and do here
I really don't appreciate he said how'd you know doc and I said it's my job to know you know
So this was this was not exactly the good way to prepare for Valentine's Day, you know
Exactly fascinating well We're off on a fascinating track and what I would like to
do shortly is open the telephone lines maybe out out of the bottom of the hour here and
and allow people to ask you questions.
I didn't realize you knew so much about dreams.
Oh, well, you see, you have to in this field.
Remember, my background is, with my medical background, with a dental degree and, of course, a lot of intensive study in neurology here, dreams are nothing but hypnosis interspersed between the unconscious dream cycle, the sleep cycle.
So, if you do this field, if you do what I do and don't know a lot about dreams, then you're really sort of like in the wrong ballpark here.
Can you produce, in other words, Can you, in effect, produce a dream?
Well, hypnotic trance is a daydream.
Is a daydream.
So basically, the only difference is the person doesn't snore usually, and that's the fact that they're interspersing the hypnotic level with the conscious mind proper or willpower or beta brainwave level, whereas at night, the nocturnal dream, or what we call the regular dream, is going to be interspersed with the theta and delta of the unconscious mind.
That's the only difference.
One last O.J.
question, then I'm done.
I know you deal with obsessive-compulsive people, and my take on the O.J.
thing has been that he was obsessive and compulsive about her, and that she may have broken the straw of the camel by a little bit of taunting.
I mean, you taunt an obsessive-compulsive person, and you may well push them over the edge.
Is that a reasonable take?
It's a reasonable take, but see, You see, what you're doing here is you're making the same assumption that a lot of people both in and out of the media do, and they assume that he's guilty, and that still isn't something that has been demonstrated yet, but yet... Well, with the amount of evidence I calculate, he is either A, guilty, or B, was framed.
No other answer seems very likely.
I agree with that, too, but my point here is that he was definitely obsessed.
He was obsessed with his football career, if you talk to any of his fellow athletes.
All right, we're going to have to hold it there.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
But basically, you gave me the answer I wanted.
Thank you very much.
Dr. Goldberg, back in a flash, you're listening to Dreamland.
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Fascinating topic.
We're going to try to go through several questions quickly.
I've got several faxes and they're relevant.
Okay.
Art, one question posed on other programs, my programs, is when you die, should you go to the light or the dark?
You always go to the light.
Always go to the light.
The white light.
We had somebody who came on the air and troubled me greatly and said, the light is a trick, go to the darkness.
And then, let's see, when your guest talked about parallel dimensions, are we each on a different dimension as individuals, or are we all in the same dimension?
Well, there are an infinite number of universes, as we call it out there, but you and your family and the people that we're talking to right now are on a certain parallel universe.
So we are on the same one.
However, there are plenty of others out there, too, and if you're able to see those, which you could do with progression techniques, then you can be programmed and twist your ideal path.
Art, the soul only leaves the body at what is called death.
When we project out of body, we are extending our consciousness to a point or place, a point or place, and the soul stays in the body.
Well, that's really not true.
Your soul leaves the body a lot, actually.
It leaves it during the dream levels.
That's three hours a night.
It leaves it through the four hours that you spend in daydreams or hypnotic levels during the waking days.
So the soul is out of the body for seven hours out of every 24-hour cycle.
Alright, let's go to the phones.
I promised.
Call the wildcard lines.
Area 702-727-1295.
Hey, let's try it again.
Rod, we don't allow last names on the air.
Oh, okay.
So, let's just say this is Rod.
Where are you calling from, Rod?
This is Rod calling from Round Lake Beach.
From Illinois?
Illinois.
All right.
Okay.
Yeah.
I had a dream.
I was wondering if Dr. Gold would understand this.
Now, I'm a paranoid schizophrenic.
Yeah.
And I have these out-of-body experiences.
I have them every night.
I go into these deep meditations.
And, uh, what I dreamt was that, uh, uh, I had this girlfriend and I was walking under these power lines by my home and my pants started to glow and they were like under, uh, a black light.
I seen three gold statues coming out of the sky.
One of them was me.
One of them was my sister.
One of them was my brother.
I came down and I got bigger as they got bigger and they got closer.
They got bigger.
I could walk and meditate at the same time.
I was dark out.
The sun had been down for a couple hours.
And my girlfriend wanted a dollar for some smokes.
I said no.
I had $700 in my pocket.
She went to the top of the hill.
I was at the bottom.
Everything got foggy and white.
Now, as it got foggy, The only way I could tell my way home was by the trees.
Alright, we're almost out of time.
Well, basically, Rod, the fact that you gave me a history of paranoid schizophrenia is a
problem in the sense that the actual mechanisms of your brain functioning with the dream is
going to be a little bit distorted than others.
However, these dreams mean whatever they mean to you.
Remember that these are fragments of 30 to 50 different dreams.
It sounds like you're trying to make sense out of it, and what I'm saying is that enjoy the dream or go along with your life and don't put a lot of faith in it.
All it is is just a dream.
Fascinating.
But you say paranoia and schizophrenia would modify the way...
The fact that the way he fires his synapses and the way he interprets things and the way he even acts behaviorally will be affected because of the syndrome itself, because it is a psychotic behavior.
So therefore, what that means is that the mind levels and the dream levels are also going to be off on more, shall we say, exotic levels than people who don't have that particular syndrome.
Fascinating.
West of the Rockies, you're on with Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
Hi.
Hi, this is John from San Diego.
Yes, John.
I have a question for Dr. Goldberg.
I have a question about nightmarish dreams.
The question is that when someone has a nightmarish dream one night and wake up the next morning having this nightmarish dream continue on uh... in on and on and on
until it comes a memory at time when the car the question when you say continues on
you have the same dream again for the dream actually continues where it left
off uh... it well
what the train i had
and a nightmarish dream uh... is that
it happened in the in my time in and they have to do with uh... things with
the army I repeat, caller, I don't need to know the content of the dream, but does it continue or does it repeat?
It repeats itself over and over and over like a memory.
This is very important.
The repetition of the dream is one of the ways your subconscious mind, or your soul as we call it, is trying to tell you that you haven't dealt with something.
That's the key here.
When you resolve something, for example, you're talking about something that happened in the early part of this life.
You mentioned the Army.
I assume you were in the Army?
Yes, sir.
Okay.
Now, there was something about that dream that you did not deal with or that is representing something that you didn't deal with, and that's why you're having this little sort of like alarm clock going off.
Whatever that is, that needs to be dealt with.
Once that is dealt with, you will no longer have those dreams.
In my particular specialty, when people come to see me and have past life dreams, some of them are very violent endings, when we go through the experiences and when they learn to raise their soul's energy by what we call cleansing techniques, which they're also partially trained to use via tapes, then they no longer have the dreams, just like Ivy in The Search for Grace, she no longer had the dreams of being murdered once she realized who Johnny was and once she was able to overcome that obsession and that attraction to him.
So you need to deal with this is what I'm saying.
But Doctor, would this help be like in a regression sort of hypnosis to bring out what this memory was?
Sure, absolutely.
It would help you to find out what it is, but more importantly, interestingly enough, that isn't even that important.
What's important here is that this is a little complicated but your soul's energy
where you're functioning right now is compromised which is why you're vulnerable to those
dreams.
Once you raise the soul's energy, you don't even have to understand the content, you'll
automatically be able to rise above the issue just like building up your immune system.
I was going to make the same parallel.
It's just like the immune system then.
It's exactly the same thing.
It's an energy immune system, actually.
So, but the point is that in your case, I think because you seem to be more intellectually involved with this and, you know, want to know what's going on, the laying this out in an age regression would be a way of having you lay out the complete scenario.
Once that's done, you'll never have those dreams again.
All right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
Hello.
Where are you calling from, please?
I'm calling from Kenosha, Wisconsin.
My name's Renzo.
Yes, sir.
Um, I was wondering, well, I have these dreams, but I wake up, I feel like I slept, I sleepwalked.
That's how vivid it is.
Right?
Do you find yourself actually in different physical positions, like in a different room when you come out of these dreams?
No.
Okay, because you actually can sleepwalk even as an adult.
It's rare, but it does happen.
Well, the dream, I come back to the bed and it's a recurring dream.
But do you have other people where you live that might have testified whether you actually did walk and leave?
No, I don't.
Okay.
Alright, I'll add something.
Doctor, my younger sister I did exactly that when she was young.
It was absolutely frightening.
She would get up in the middle of the night and she would walk.
By the way, whatever she was dressed in, she would walk.
It was really eerie and really scary.
And a few times she walked right out of the house and down the street.
But I'll bet she grew out of that as she grew older.
She did, yes.
Now, most people will grow out of it.
However, some people have other remnants of that.
For example, I used to date this young lady who would call me at 3 o'clock in the morning.
Sometimes I was actually up.
And she wouldn't have any idea what the call was about.
She would talk.
She was very intelligent.
She was very bright.
She was very articulate.
And she would say, listen, I'll see you tomorrow.
And then I would say, gee, how come you called me at 3 o'clock?
And she goes, I didn't call you at 3 o'clock.
I swear I didn't call you.
She would swear in a Bible if you didn't call me.
And in fact, she did.
So this is a form of an adult form of somnambulism, as they would call it.
But basically, these deeper dreams, is there something else you're trying to make out of it?
Obviously, you're having very deep dreams.
I don't doubt that.
But is there anything else going on that, I mean, you would know if you slept, walked, because you would have, like, your feet would be dirty or you'd be cold.
You'd have physical signs.
Right.
Yeah, okay.
Let's move on.
You're on the air, coast-to-coast, with Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
Good evening.
No, you're not.
Let's see.
Lost in a dream.
Yeah, lost in a dream.
Dr. Bruce Goldberg is my guest, and you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello, hi.
I'd like to know, like, I always have dreams about God talking to me.
So what does it taste like?
Is it really God talking to me?
Most likely, it's one of two things.
We call this your higher self, or your super-conscious mind.
and the other is what are called masters and guides.
Those are the two most likely candidates.
The problem is that when you have this higher energy or perfect being, if you will, communicate
with you, most people will assume it is either God or Jesus or whatever their belief system
is and usually that is not the case.
Is not?
No.
So isn't we all trying to go up to the highest to get to the heavens?
Right.
The problem is that you see, unfortunately, I explain this more in my older book, Pathway
to Specialized, which has a complete dissertation about the different plane concepts.
We're on the earth plane.
This is the lowest of five planes that make up the karmic cycle.
Therefore, the 13th plane is what you would call the God plane or heaven or bond or whatever
you want to call it.
There is no communication between the God plane or manifestations and the Earth plane.
All you can get is what is on the lower five planes.
Now you can, however, access your higher self, which is you in your perfect form, or you
can access a master or guide, which is somebody that you have probably known in past lives
who has perfected themselves, but instead of going on to the God plane or the higher
planes has decided to stay around and help you and others to perfect themselves.
But there is no real documentation or way we can even metaphysically, let alone scientifically,
show that a person is actually contacting God.
The higher self or masters and guides are far more logical.
All right, so we are on the lowest plane.
Just as a matter of curiosity, when there is an apparition, when there is a ghost or a spirit, or whatever it is that people call these things that appear, and it appears here on Earth, is it in effect slummy?
Slumming, would you say?
Slumming, yes.
Well, yes.
I mean, there are times when, for example, I had a woman I just saw from Norby, California, who was actually being tempered.
She was influenced by the spirit of her late husband in a previous life, who was actually trying to dominate her and causing her all kinds of problems with her current husband, as well as drinking and all kinds of other things.
And all it was was an attempt at a past life possession.
Which of course doesn't work very well.
But sure, there are entities that float around.
There are no real demons or evil spirits per se.
What there are are poltergeists or ghosts or astral bodies, as we call them, that simply have not reincarnated.
And they simply hang around.
Sometimes they annoy people.
Sometimes they just simply are wandering and troubled spirits.
But you made a comment before which ties into this, which I want to reinforce again.
This is a very serious one.
When you said that, I don't know who it was, and I don't really want to know who it was, but that person who said that when you see the white light go to the darkness, that's a real... I mean, if anybody has had that experience, if anybody has anybody tell them that, please call me at my 1-800-COMMA-4-YOU number, or 1-800-527-6248.
I want to speak to you immediately.
That is the worst possible advice anybody could ever give you.
The white, it always represents purity.
If you look around with rituals, all kinds of techniques, White is always pure.
Even white magic, which I really have a problem with anyway, but at least they use the term white in that aspect.
But whenever somebody says, go to the darkness, boy, is that, that is the worst possibility.
When a person has near-death experience, they will always, almost always anyway, if I remember this, they will always be surrounded by a white light.
They will go to a white light, and the white light will be the way, their sort of like escalator, if you will, to the higher, to the soul plane before they reincarnate.
So a white light is I'm glad you told me that, Doctor, because it was me that
was told that on the air, along with everybody else, and it has troubled me for years.
Really?
Well, it's something that to me, had you not, and I'm glad you brought it up because people
actually do that, they give that kind of advice.
Usually the person giving that advice either doesn't know anything or more importantly
is that they're trying to get people into the other aspects, like negative projection
techniques, black arts, voodoo, hoodoo, you name it.
There are so many problems like that around that I face because I work with people to
deprogram them from these influences.
And white is always, you'll never lose with white.
When somebody sees an aura, and they see a white, golden, or yellow, or orangey kind of aura, that's positive and pure.
When they see a grayish or blackish overtone, that person's in trouble.
Usually they're dying, or something is occurring that is not really metaphysically positive here.
Alright.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
Hi.
Yes, hello.
Hello.
My name is Paul.
Alright, just give us your first name and where you're calling from.
I'm calling from Russell, Illinois.
Yes?
Hi, this is Dr. Goldberg.
Can I help you?
Oh, yes.
I was wondering, well, you know how old science fact has proven that the Bible basically is wrong?
Well, when you say the Bible is wrong, I don't know what you specifically mean.
What do you mean, Colin?
Well, people would listen to this show and think that you're evil.
In church, they say that aliens aren't real, they're... etc, etc, you know.
Well, you have to understand, you know, to me, I don't like the word wrong here.
I prefer that everybody is entitled to their belief system.
And the Bible, of course, has made certain predictions which are supposed to occur in the next four or five years.
And those will be either right or wrong, I can tell you that.
And I can tell you that they're not going to happen.
But basically, you know, you have to determine your own faith.
See, the spiritual aspects of metaphysics really fit very nicely in any form of religion.
if you want to call it that, if you will.
But to me, the point is not what you believe in, and not whether you're Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, Islamic,
or whatever it is, is what you do with it.
And the do unto others is really a karmic principle, not just a Christian principle.
So I don't think it's incompatible with that.
Yes, but doctor, a lot of Christians out there would say the things you deal with, regressions, progressions, you talk of spirits, you talk of spirit levels, and all of that to the average Christian is evil stuff.
Well, but so did Jesus talk about that, and so did the apostles.
I mean, spirits have been around forever, and the idea of Easter coming up, you know, if you will, is nothing but reincarnation.
So, I mean, it's a question of, I think, the names that we give it, and maybe I come across, you know me very well, I come across this from a very scientific perspective.
Yes.
And to me, it's a clinical discipline, so to me, although I do agree and believe in the theory because I've tested clinically myself, however, my bottom line as a therapist from Los Angeles here, is that patients come to me because they have real issues, habits, phobias, they're victims of negative projection techniques, they have all kinds of things from sexual dysfunction to various forms of psychosomatic issues, and using these techniques and energy cleansing techniques, which by the way are backed by hard science, Hello?
simply helps them to resolve issues, to grow, to empower themselves, which is my main point
here, is having people become independent of drugs and of people like me, even, therapists,
is to go on with their lives and to me, hey, if that's evil, then, you know, sign me up
for it.
It works.
All right.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
Hello?
Hello?
Yes, hello.
Hi there.
I'm sorry, the line is not too great.
Okay, where are you calling from?
Oregon.
Oregon, okay.
What is your question?
Last week I had my first aggression, and to work on a specific issue, but instead I found myself as a light being on Alpha Centauri.
Alright.
And I wasn't very surprised about it.
Okay, now you bring up something very, very interesting.
In my older book, Past Lives, Future Lives, there's a chapter called Bob and the Light People.
What you're describing is what we call a light people regression, in which instead of being in a physical body, you are in pure energy, namely light.
This is a very relatively rare occurrence.
It's about maybe three to five percent of my regressions, and my guess is that the information that you were trying to attain was probably very difficult to get, was it not?
Yes.
Okay.
A lot of people, a lot of people regression is actually a very almost like a sensor type of regression.
It's very difficult to get.
But this is, you are not paranoid schizophrenic here or psychologically disturbed because of this.
If anything, what you're experiencing is potentially a very therapeutic experience.
I don't know how experienced a therapist that you were working with wasn't dealing with light people.
This is not something that everybody has in their own interior.
But it's got tremendous potential.
The problem is, when I used to practice dentistry, this would be like taking out an impacted wisdom tooth.
It's a very difficult situation to get data from.
Alright, what, what, um, I'm sorry, we're very short on time, about 20 seconds.
What are the, who are the light people? What are you talking about?
The light people basically are extraterrestrials, if you will,
who actually came to the Earth and actually created the karmic cycle.
What they did was they inhabited the physical body of man before they were homo sapiens and actually did a lot of nasty things which caused them to be trapped in the physical body, namely their energy, and that's why we have a karmic cycle.
That's incredible.
That's it.
We're out of time for this hour.
We'll be back with Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
Boy, I'm glad I've asked.
We'll come back and talk more about the white people in a moment.
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Hi, I'm Max from Sam T. I want to comment on this from the doctor.
Hi Art, I had an interesting dream that the doctor may be able to help explain.
For many years, I've suffered from migraine headaches.
A few months ago, I had a headache that lasted for two or three days.
The pain from this headache was in a small area just above my left eye.
My dream was of a shaman.
He passed his hands over my face until he found the area that my pain came from.
He then pointed to the area, drew his hand back, and thrust his forefinger toward the pain.
The finger stopped short of my face, but a great force of energy hit the area of my pain.
He repeated it five or six times.
When I awoke, my pain was gone, and I've not had a headache in the area since.
The dream was very vivid, and I felt the pain when the energy force hit me.
Can the doctor give any insight?
That's Ray from Santee.
I love that fact.
That's great.
It just shows the power of the energy that the mind can create.
This is what I talked about.
If you don't think about earthquakes and negative things, then you don't really make that happen.
But if you do start worrying about it, you can create it.
What he did was in the dream levels, which is where almost all of the therapy that I train a patient to do occurs, There you have your subconscious mind accessing your higher self, or what we call the superconscious mind.
There are no defense mechanisms around to annoy it and to waste time and to cause interferences.
He can access his masters and guides along with his higher self.
That shaman image could have been either a master or guide or his own higher self projecting beautiful, perfect, positive energy, a white light kind of energy, not a dark light.
at him and literally raise up his physiology if you will by causing a constriction of the
blood vessels which is needed to make the headache literally go away.
This is beautiful.
In fact, I have a headache tape that my corporation markets which helps people use these simple
techniques to help project that positive energy and he did it naturally by himself and I think
that is great.
That is absolutely perfect and what he just did was show the principle of empowerment.
The great facts, I'm glad he got the results, and what he did just there, anyone can do.
Wow.
Alright, before we get back to the lines, which we're going to do, I don't want to leave the light people.
I want to understand the light people.
One more time, please.
Okay.
Now, the light people, remember, evolutionary-wise, The ultimate evolution of our species or of our being is really pure energy.
The physical body is gorky on its best day.
They say in a couple of hundred years we won't have fingers and toes because of the clothes that we wear and things like that.
Well, the light people represent, going back literally a couple of million years ago in
regressions that I've done, I've had these light people come up over various periods
of time from places like Alpha Centauri and other systems, other galaxies, and what these
people were, they were pure energy beings, extraterrestrials if you will, who had no
physical body.
They came to the Earth and have been coming many, many times apparently, and what they
did was they decided to play and say, you know, it would be kind of nice to occupy that
nice physical body of a human being just to see what it's like, to feel the emotions.
emotions, just like anything else.
That is apparently one of the theories that I put forth in past life, future life, my
older book because I had a lot of clinical evidence to support that, that these people
they came here and they took over the body and instead of just playing with it and just
experiencing it, they misused the physical body.
That originally is how the karmic cycle was created apparently.
I've done literally hundreds and hundreds of these light people regressions over the
years, I've done over 30,000 of them and this material comes up over and over again.
The chapter in past life, future life called Bob and the Light People is a perfect example
of how that manifested and how This man's energy frequency vibrational rate was reduced when he entered the physical body and how he had to work his way out of it in order to perfect himself, which of course he wasn't when he saw me.
And this is an example of why people regressions occur in between three to five percent of the regressions.
If anybody does this a lot, they're going to have these come up.
And this is one of the explanations as the extraterrestrial origin of all of us.
So technically, none of us are purebred.
We're all extraterrestrial in our energy and our origin.
All right.
When somebody is possessed, you remember Linda Blair?
Certainly.
But there are real possessions, or what seem to be real possessions.
Right.
What's happening?
What is that?
Well, what that is, again, as I mentioned before, it's what it is.
Let's assume that you are an entity.
You die.
You clinically die.
And instead of reincarnating, maybe you die traumatically, physical illness, or a car accident, or something like that.
So what you are doing is now you are a troubled spirit.
You don't want to enter into that white light because like some people have said before,
some people say, oh the white light is evil, that's dangerous, Satan is behind it.
It's almost like the Saturday Night Live church lady routine here.
Well what happens here is that so people don't enter the white light, now they hang around
as a poltergeist or a troubled spirit and then they say, you know I don't really want
to be this way.
Well there is a body over there, maybe it's a loved one, maybe it's someone they knew,
maybe it just isn't, maybe you are just in the way and they simply kind of attach themselves
to you just like a parasite would be hooked up into your intestinal tract and they stay
with you until they are exorcised away.
Now, exorcism really doesn't work very well, interestingly enough, but super-conscious mind taps that I've done with patients, like this woman I described in Northern California who was able to literally exorcise away, if you will, or cleanse away this attachment of a man that she knew in a past life, who by the way murdered her and got away with it about 150 years ago.
You see, and he was still trying to control her from the proverbial grave.
And these possessions are simply entities trying to attach for various reasons, usually not very good ones, but they're not necessarily evil spirits, they're just simply troubled spirits.
It's almost like you go to a city, and you don't know where you are, and you're lost.
And instead of just trying to find out where you are, you kind of like prevent other people from getting to work on time.
I've got you, all right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
Hi.
Hello, I wanted to ask a question about Centurion's Light People, but first I want to find out, since listening to the program Gore and Michael Scali the other night, how can you not think about earthquakes?
It's like saying, you know, don't think about a purple elephant.
It's true. Well, you can think about it all you want to. I'm just telling you that my patients tell me I'm not a psychic.
I'm a therapist. I get information. I'm like a reporter. My patients tell me that by the end of the century, which is
only five years away, there will be no major earthquakes in Southern California. I'm talking about Southern California
because my patients, although they're international, a lot of my local patients are freaking out when they see those
network shows about this or the scallion and other kinds of predictions.
What I'm saying is that my patients tell me... You won't think about it.
My patients tell me that there is not going to be that catastrophe.
Yes, there'll be earthquakes, but they won't be the major ones that make Nebraska the West Coast United States that some people perceive.
That is not going to happen.
I'll tell you right now, I'll stake my reputation on it.
And I didn't move to Los Angeles from the East Coast just because I want to be, you know, in the middle of the Pacific Ocean somewhere.
So what I'm saying is that you can think of anything you want to, but if you project the positivity and ignore all these doomsdayers, it's almost like predicting seven of the last three recessions, you know?
You can always say negative things, but the point is that you're only sending out the wrong kind of energy.
It's not going to help you, yet it can harm you by allowing yourself to be part of a negative frequency where these things will occur.
I was wondering what you thought of Charlotte McLean's writing.
It seems I think she wrote about light people.
Charlotte McLean really wrote about driving in Peru with no hands, too.
Charlotte McLean brought a lot of people into the field, and I thank her for that.
However, her writings really weren't dealing with light people so much as the classic out-of-body experience that she experienced in the Andes in South America.
And basically, what she was doing was reporting things that other people have reported, so there really isn't anything new or unusual about Sholand McLean's experience, except that it happened to Sholand McLean.
But you're not a skeptic about her writing?
I'm not a protagonist about her.
She's not a scientist.
She's entitled to her opinion.
She can write anything she wants to.
Basically, her books are nothing more than metaphysical diaries, basically.
And she's entitled to it.
I mean, she's not Kenneth Ring or Michael Sabom or Ray Moody, I can tell you that.
And I don't respect some of the comments that she's made.
For example, she once made a comment in a Playboy interview, which I read, which says that the crystals that were the source of energy, by the way, on Atlantis, and I'll agree with that for my regressions, are used on NASA space capsules.
Let me tell you something.
I work with NASA scientists.
Some of them are patients of mine.
There are no crystals on our space modules.
None.
Not whatsoever. So statements like that are incorrect. They make the field, shall we say, laughable.
And it does not help the credibility of the field.
However, if you look at the good points about what she's done by bringing in the numbers of people into the field
via, I think the sales of all metaphysical books or New Age
books in those days, in the early 80s, something like increased by 35% after her bestseller, Adam
and Liv, came out.
So in that case, God bless her for that.
But she's not exactly somebody I refer to when I write a scientific article.
All right, good.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Goldberg.
Hello.
Turn your radio off, please.
Hi.
Hi, where are you calling from?
Oh, I'm calling from Seattle.
My name's Linda.
Hi, Linda.
Hi, Linda.
Hi.
I was wondering, in your research, do People in their past lives, do they have different genders, or even like in Hinduism, are they different species?
Is there any learning reason for that?
Okay, I don't regress people to different species.
Transmigration, if you're referring to the Tibetan and Hindu aspect, has never been confirmed by me.
I've done over 30,000 regressions in over 10,000 patients, and I've never regressed anyone to be a head of lettuce yet.
Everybody's always human.
Some people are more human than others, however.
But what I'm saying is that they do change sexes, you change races, you change socioeconomic status, you reincarnate and choose the karmic sub-cycle, if you will, that will help you to manifest your own spiritual growth.
That is the only point of being on the earth plane and being in a reincarnated body is spiritual growth.
Everything else is secondary or tertiary.
So if you have to be black or Asian or white or American Indian or South American Indian, whatever.
Whatever you have to be is what you'll be, and that's what you'll choose the framework.
However, you always have free will, and therefore you can make poor choices, which unfortunately a lot of people do, and that's why they run into the karmic problems that they do and have the proverbial karmic egg on their faces sometimes.
All right, good.
West of the Rockies, you're on with Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
Hi.
Hi, this is Tim Cohen from Portland, Oregon.
Hi, Tim.
Hi, Tim.
I guess we're having the worst snow in 25 years here today.
Wow.
Which isn't much for a lot of the part of the country, but northwest we don't get a lot.
It keeps you listening to the radio, however.
Yes, at home warm and listening to the radio.
What's your question, Tim?
I've got two things.
One is, how do I find a good person in the area for regression?
And the second is, Sometimes I'll be asleep and I'll just wake up like Bulp upright and I'm just wondering what causes that?
Well, okay, let me answer the first one first.
I can't make referrals.
There are a couple of pages in the back of my new book, The Search for Grace, as well as Past Lives, Future Lives, which gives some recommendations.
I can give you some more material if you contact my 1-800-KARMA-4U or 1-800-527-6248 number.
My staff will be happy to send you information which will make your choice a little bit easier by giving you some background.
All right, listen here, you hold it, hold it, hold it.
You're so good at talking a hundred miles an hour, you've got to slow down for phone numbers.
Okay.
So do it.
1-800-527-6248.
That will give you a little background.
I will send you out a packet which will tell you some of the things, a little bit about the field.
What you would do is take that information, read it over, and then you quiz anybody who alleges themselves to be a
pediatric life therapist.
If they don't know that material, if they don't know the basics, then you don't want to be there.
I always want to work with somebody who knows more than you, you know, in the field.
As far as waking up upright, that is most likely from a dream, which again can have fantasy components, or it could actually be an actual past life death of yours that you could be reviewing, or it could be simply you returning from the outer body experience that all dreams are.
You know, when you return from an outer body experience, it's almost like parachuting.
And sometimes you land on your butt, you know, and sometimes you roll over and land like you're supposed to.
So sort of whoosh on back.
Right, whoosh you're back and sometimes whoosh I wish I wasn't back.
Cute.
Ease to the Rockies, you're on with Dr. Goldberg.
Hi.
Good evening, gentlemen.
Hi, where are you?
This is Jim in St.
Louis.
Yes, Jim.
Dr. Goldberg, what can you tell us about your patients' progressions and their Um, what do they know about the day when we will finally be confronted with, you know, this non...
These non-human intelligents that, you know, have been visiting us for so long, and where exactly our place in the universe?
You're talking about the extraterrestrial contact, then?
Yeah.
Right.
Well, basically, if you're looking for the extraterrestrials to hold a press conference at the UN very quickly, it's not going to happen.
It's about the 24th century when the extraterrestrials make the regular contact that will make them a part of our society.
How do you know that?
Well, because that's what patients tell me.
I mean, in past life, future life, I document about the next 500 years, And in the 24th century, apparently, it becomes more of what you might see on old Twilight episodes to the degree that they become literally a part of our society.
We make a lot of travels to other planets.
We have exchanges, scientific exchanges.
We do all kinds of things that become more of a regular basis.
We're still going to have many contacts, as we do now occasionally, but they're not going to be the regularity.
It's still going to be the people that think of it as fringy or the scientists or the government trying to repress the information, the usual things that the Pentagon types do, but you're not going to have the regular, regular contact until the 24th century.
Do you believe that our government now knows they exist?
Oh, absolutely.
Are you kidding?
New Mexico don't scare people, or in Area 51.
The government cover-ups and the Roswell incident, it almost makes me ashamed to be an American, and I'm very patriotic.
I work with people who are retired from the government, of course.
I don't work at Activations, but I work with people who have been involved in it.
Let me tell you something.
The government has so many things that they could tell, and will not because they're afraid Well, I'll give you this, Doctor.
If our government was able to keep secret the fact that they fed radiation and milk to six-year-old children, they could certainly keep the others secret.
Oh, sure.
What they've done is they can simply just do what they did.
I tell you what, the government was very bright.
I mean, not very ethical, but very bright.
What they did was, They fed the news releases to the media and encouraged Hollywood with the 50s movies, you know, the old Space Brothers routine, because they figured the more they make fun of it via Hollywood, the more money is made off of it, the less people are going to take it seriously.
And in fact, they were correct.
Now, of course, they lost, because now there's so much evidence cropping up, and Linda Howe's report and others, and the idea of things surfacing and people's experiences.
When you have ex-presidents who talk about their UFO experiences, you know, what do you do now?
You know, did you say it was all swamp gas in Atlanta?
I mean, you know, you can't keep the old scams going anymore, so now people are getting a lot more sophisticated, and there are simply too many cases and too much evidence piling up.
But again, apparently our society isn't ready for it.
You sound a lot more sure these days, to me, of this sort of thing than you were when I first began interviewing you long ago, doctor.
Is that true?
Well, I mean, it's only been, you know, a couple of years, a year and a half or so, but I'm just starting to see as far as, I mean, I don't have any doubt.
I've never doubted the extraterrestrial contact, if you will, because of my work going back over 20 years, and I have cases of extraterrestrial contact going back about 17 or 18 years ago.
What I've been more acquainted with, with some of my more recent patients, have been simply the extent of the government cover-up.
All right, we've got to hold it right there.
Hold it right there.
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Alright, about three years ago my mother died.
Shortly after I had an awake experience.
That's awake.
Uh, I dreamt that she was sitting on a bed at my father's house.
All my family members walked past her.
But I stopped.
I could even smell like fresh flowers.
Uh, I could smell her like fresh flowers.
I had such a calm feeling over me.
All she did was project into me that she was okay.
And that I, my, and my future was going to be fine and not to worry.
She really impressed me with the fact that everything was going to be fine.
I have since then sensed her presence near or about me on several occasions.
Doctor?
What you're getting is your mother, your late mother, was trying to tell you that she is okay on the other side and she was trying to see people when they cross into spirit, they tend to make contacts with people they felt the closest to.
and or let's just say a very strong bond and what she was just trying to show you
is that there is life after death, it's nothing to fear and she was also trying to give you a little pre-cognitive
data about your future
as well as to have you say really basically it's like please don't worry
about me don't worry about me go on with your life and you have a bright life in front of
you. What do your colleagues
a lot of them think about your view on all of this?
Well, you know, my colleagues, interesting enough, a lot of my patient referrals come from my colleagues.
So I have psychiatrists, psychologists, MFCC, social workers who refer to me.
The ones that may not agree with me or don't have my experience and deal with more conventional methods, if you will, They know me well enough to know that they may not agree
with me, but they don't doubt my psychological stability or my approach towards it.
They just may not agree with me, just like they have a First Amendment right and a right
to have a different opinion.
There is, however, a lot more building respect for people now in your field than there used
to be, isn't there?
Oh, sure.
Well, you have people like Ray Moody and John Mack, who are physicians.
You have myself.
You have Kenneth Ring, a psychologist at the University of Connecticut.
You have people like Elizabeth Kubler-Rosses.
I have many people with real degrees and a lot to lose.
We have a lot to lose if we're doing something strange.
With all due respect to people like the Shirley MacLaine's or other actresses who write books, They don't really have a tremendous amount to lose when it comes to licenses and practices and things like that, whereas we as professionals do.
More importantly, what's really important on my level here, I feel, is not just my own credibility and my colleagues, which is very high, thank goodness, but more importantly, the scientific backup of what we're dealing with is very important.
In the field of psychotherapy, you know, I was at a psychology meeting and one of my colleagues was very conventional, very, very conservative and very anti-what I do.
He says, you know, he says, I don't really like what you're doing.
I don't believe it.
And I said, well, you know, you're entitled to your opinion, but you know, you must understand
that out of all the 250 plus divisions of the American Psychological Association, the
only division that's backed by a hard science is this field.
Quantum physics, as hard as it is for people to understand, is a hard science, and that's
what demonstrates the space-time continuum, the parallel universes, and all aspects of
going back and forward in time.
Yes, but doctor, there was a day not very long ago when somebody like you would have been professionally burned at the stake.
Oh, sure.
Sure, that would have been about 30 or 40 years ago.
That's right.
Not that long ago, really.
Not that long ago.
Well, basically, you're right.
That's why cases like the Bridie Murphy case, when it came out in 1956 with Maury Burns, because he was a businessman, but there were people who were around that, who were doing that, medical people, who were trying to, like, being right into the corner when that case came out, because they didn't want to be associated with it.
But now, of course, things have changed.
There is a field, just to show you the scientific credentials here, not only does the American Psychological Association have Code 270, which is parapsychology, but the most respected organization in the world for science has got to be the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Washington, D.C.
Yes.
And guess what?
December 1969, over 25 years ago, they inducted into their brethren the field of parapsychology.
It's been there.
It's not been removed.
It's respected.
Duke University goes back to the early 1920s with its research.
It is a hard science, mathematically based.
In fact, it's more solid.
Most of psychology, if you will, or therapy, is really in the same category as astrology as far as being a pseudoscience.
All right.
We've got a lot of calls.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Goldberg.
Hi.
Hi.
Where are you?
San Diego.
All right.
Okay.
Yeah.
Hi, Wes.
Excuse me?
How are you doing, Wes?
Is your name Wes?
No.
Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. Good.
What's your question?
In your words, how would you define God?
Well, God is really the energy level that is really perfect, and we are striving to do that.
We have a remnant of God's energy.
I describe God as an energy force, not as a man with a beard and a white cane, but the energy force that we have that represents our higher self, our super-conscious mind, is actually A remnant of the God energy that we came from and will eventually go back to.
So you see, this really is very compatible with just about every religious system I've ever studied.
The only difference is the names and mechanisms have changed to protect the innocent.
But basically, God is nothing but the perfect energy that you will eventually reunite with, and actually have nightly reunitings with Him, because when you go into your dream level, you do access your higher self, whether you know it or not.
But why do we live them to begin with?
Why do we leave them to begin with?
Well, you know, I mean, the reason is very simply I described before about the extraterrestrial concept,
about the idea of these light people playing around with human bodies.
Unfortunately, human nature being what it is, has a tendency to kind of like do things it's not supposed to do.
And if you look around with the pollution of the environment and all kinds of medical things and using drugs, abusing drugs, we simply have a tendency to kind of like go astray.
All right, put another way, a short way, free will.
Free will is, or the defense mechanism, as we say therapeutically, is the reason why we are in the, as they used to say in Laurel and Hardy, what another fine mess you've gotten me into.
There you go.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Goldberg.
Hi.
Hi Art.
Hi, turn the radio off.
Okay.
Where are you calling from?
Granite City, Illinois.
Excellent.
I have a question.
I've had this same dream I guess for about eight years.
I have it once a year and it's this house that I go into and it's got like three levels.
Well I guess probably for about five years the house It's always real dark, there's no electricity and then
there's this passageway that you can crawl through but I've always been too afraid to crawl
through it.
Well then the last, I guess about three years ago I did crawl through it.
Well there's always someone with me.
Yeah.
Well I had it I guess about two months ago and the dream was totally changed to where
the house, it had electricity on and it was being remodeled and it was all, like the house
was all cleaned and everything was new.
Well I had like this girl was with me taking me through the house and the passageway was opened and it became a hallway.
Alright so now things have changed.
Now did your life change?
Was there some major issue that you were dealing with in your life that coincided with this dream opening up now?
I'm more spiritual.
Well that could be part of it because you see when you have a repeated dream, even if
it's annual, I don't know whether it was the same time of the year that you got this dream,
but this means that you're not getting something and your higher self is trying to communicate
with you.
If you become more spiritual and become more, which is the point of being on the earth plane
anyway, if you do that now you're starting to get it.
And if you get it, your dream now opens up just like the house becomes lit.
And just because now you've become more aware and enlightened if you will, that's what you're
doing in your life right now with the spiritual acclamation that you're making.
So basically what you're doing is you got it as they used to say.
Alright, very good.
I have an annual nightmare, Doctor.
It occurs right around April 15th every year.
You and Leo the Hemsley have the same nightmare.
On the wildcard line, you're on the air with Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
Hi, how you doing?
This is Mark in California.
Yes, Mark.
Yeah, he gave his explanation of God.
What's his explanation of the devil?
Well, the devil really, you know, we don't really have any evidence of a devil other than certain reports and things of theological nature.
Basically, what the devil could represent is the negative thoughts people have when they read too many newspaper articles that are negative, or when they watch the 11 o'clock news too many times, or just listen to the naysayers that say the world's going to end and the sky's going to fall, and all that kind of stuff.
The devil really doesn't exist.
The God concept does exist as perfect energy, but I'm not a believer in the demonic aspects of the devil.
I've never seen it.
Even the attached entities that I work with, with my patients, who've, you know, not been very nice to them, but they haven't made them spit up split pea soup, and they haven't taken their soul away, and they haven't put them into some dungeon of hell for eternity.
I have not seen any evidence of that, but to me the devil is It's just in your mind, if you allow it to be, or if you happen to watch old Flip Wilson TV shows.
Alright, what about talk radio, Doctor?
Now, you didn't mention that, but I'll mention it.
Talk radio concentrates mainly on the negative, because we concentrate on the news, and if you read the news, the news is mainly negative, and we talk about these things.
Right.
Is it demonic?
Well, I mean, you know, I wouldn't say it's demonic.
I don't think the news is trying to say, take your firstborn and split its throat, you know?
But don't forget, the people who write the news, if you reported the news, or not you, I mean specifically you, but if the news was presented with a more, shall we say, equal time of positivity to negativity, then I think that would affect a lot of people.
There was a recent psychological study that showed that people who did not read the paper and watch the 11 o'clock news, That's right.
We had about 35% improvement in the neurotic level.
I believe it.
I believe it.
Well, unfortunately, positive things really are not news.
With rare exceptions, positive things are not news.
Well, basically, nobody wants to read about how somebody had a good day or somebody didn't
care.
That's right.
So, on the way home from work.
You're right.
Right, but then again, I guess what I'm saying is that we do crave the negative, and that of course represents television ratings and newspaper sales and things like that.
But you see, I think it's because society has been programmed for negativity.
You see, society by definition has literally not empowered people, but made them codependent.
That's the big evil word here.
And the codependency when people need, like, why do people need to go to a therapist every week?
They don't.
Why do they have to go to a chiropractor to get their back straightened out every week?
They don't.
Why do they have to have Coca-Cola, or coffee every day, or cocaine, or any other drug they're using?
They don't.
But if they're convinced that they do, and they become codependent, then that codependency marries itself to things like negative news items.
But the question is, which drives which?
I could do a one-hour program weekly on nothing but good news.
It would have, according to the ratings, about two listeners.
So in other words, we don't do things like that.
We do, the media does, what people want.
But don't forget, right now we're doing a talk show.
This is Dreamland.
The topic and the theme for the show tonight has been very, I think, uplifting.
This hasn't been a negative.
This hasn't been a gloom and doom show.
I agree.
I'm representing the opposite of the scallions and the other predictors.
I'm representing the opposite by saying that I will stake my reputation, I've said it on national TV and radio before, that you're not going to have these gloom and doom predictions that people are starting to brainwash the public with.
Well, I mean, what do you have to lose if L.A.
is obliterated?
Well, I have to lose not only my reputation, but also I have to lose the credibility of the field as well as a home and a couple of dogs and myself.
Oh, of course.
Oh, I understand.
All right.
What I'm saying is that my point here is that here you've done three hours of a show that's been, if anything, uplifting.
And of course, maybe you can't do this on your overnight show every week or every night, every weekday night.
But my point is that I think that if the public, just like if you market something in a certain way, you can literally change the public's taste by marketing things in a certain way.
I think if the media was presented in a little bit different capacity, rather than my cup is half empty or not even a drop in there, I think people would be a lot happier.
And I think that it may take a while, just like it takes a while for certain networks to beat their competition in the ratings and become the number one network after a while.
But then again, in the 70s, who would have thought that ABC would be the number one network in the mid 70s?
You know what I mean?
Things can happen.
All right, things happen, that's right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Goldberg.
Hi.
Good evening, Art.
Good evening.
Yes, Dr. Goldberg.
Yes, hello.
Yes, my name is Todd, and I'm calling from Mansfield, Ohio.
Okay.
And in talking about dreams, there was one, though, that had occurred to me, though, as a matter of fact, just this past January, though, and I've been trying to get it figured out for some time.
And what it is, it's not just You know, bits and pieces.
So to me, though, it seemed as though it was just the continuing story.
Well, is this a repeated story or a segment after a segment after a segment here?
Well, actually, let me go into it, though, with you.
Basically, what it is, is all I can say, though, is it was started out with my watching a musical group perform live, though, that I knew from back in the late 60s.
All right.
And then it shifts to where They have finished performing, and one of the members comes down, and just by coincidence, I remember this person dying a few years ago anyway, or quite a few years ago.
Did they die in a dream?
No.
Okay.
But what happened was, they come down near where I'm sitting, and we get into a conversation, and I talk with this woman, and I ask her, I say, well, didn't you die?
And she says, no, I haven't died, I've just been out of the spotlight for some time.
Alright, well this person is obviously trying to communicate with you, alright?
Is there some sort of message that she's trying to impart upon you, other than the fact that she's not dead?
Well, I don't know, because the thing of it is, is I've never even met this person.
Oh, you haven't met this person?
No, I've never met this person.
How do you know she died then?
Huh?
How do you know she's dead, then?
Because of news reports and that, though.
I mean, from what I understand, she died back in the 70s.
Oh, this is a famous person or a person?
Mm-hmm.
Okay, I'll call you.
All right.
Well, this person apparently is trying to communicate with you.
Why, I don't know yet, but is there some sort of an ending to this where something has happened recently that has changed this or completed this dream?
Well, the only thing I know is that something Something compelled me later that day to have played on a local radio station that is nearby where I live, though, to a song that was by this group.
Mm-hmm.
And I don't know why, though, but something just compelled me to... Well, this is like a medium of communication.
Apparently, I think what you're having here is a little bit different than your usual dream.
I think this person is actually, quite possibly, trying to communicate with you.
What I can suggest, there is an out-of-body experience tape that, if you call my 1-800-527-6248 number... Slower, slower, slower, slower.
I'll send you information about both my books, Past Lives, Future Lives and The Search for
Grace.
But also there is an out of body experience tape which will help you not only to facilitate
your own out of body experiences, but this along with the super conscious mind tape can
help you to access and to communicate on a two way.
Let me just ask you this.
Bruce, what's next?
What are you going to do?
Are you going to write another book?
Do more television?
Another movie?
back in the seventies, I think you said, that you can actually communicate.
I think this has got a lot of positivity for you here.
I don't want you to be afraid of this at all.
All right, look, we're about out of time.
Let me just ask you this.
Bruce, what's next?
What are you going to do?
Are you going to write another book, do more television, another movie?
I'm actually developing a television series right now.
A series?
Yes, a reality show based on this work.
I'll be doing more lectures and I'll be continuing with my patients and doing more television
and radio interviews and writing more scientific articles as well as...
I don't have plans for another book right now.
My new book just came out, The Search for Grace, just came out in October actually.
But I will definitely keep you posted about what I do, as you know.
And you might say, business as usual, except on a higher spiritual level.
And be assured, we will have you back on Dreamland again.
I always love reincarnating with you, Art.
Doctor, thank you.
My pleasure.
Take care.
Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
And indeed, it was a pleasure to have him on Dreamland this evening.
All right, uh, we're out of time.
I'm sorry, that's it.
We are controlled by the clock.
I do want to say this.
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Thank you.
Good night.
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