Lindsey Williams, author of You Can Live, warns that antibiotic overuse and vaccines—like the 1950s polio shots linked to HIV/AIDS via SV40 contamination—have fueled resistant superbugs, including a pneumonic plague spreading via airplanes (per NYT, 1998) and flesh-eating microbes advancing an inch per hour. He cites CDC data (1992) showing 13,300 deaths from drug-resistant infections and claims 85% of hospital bacteria now defy treatment, while processed foods and depleted soil worsen immunity. Williams rejects mainstream medicine’s reliance on chemotherapy or radiation, advocating instead for essential oils, herbs, and diet-based resistance, though he acknowledges limitations against Ebola. Urging listeners to bypass vaccines—like the swine flu program tied to infant brain damage—he stresses nature’s potential "correction" of overpopulation through weakened defenses, citing Time and Newsweek warnings of an impending crisis. [Automatically generated summary]
Well, 14 years ago, I published my first book, and since then, I've been lecturing literally around the world.
And every place I went, I heard the same story.
Cancer, leukemia, heart problems, arthritis.
But yet I would travel outside of the United States of America, and I would hear the exact opposite.
Send us your sick, and we'll send them home well.
I shall never forget Dr. Ernesto Contreras said to me one day in a beautiful hospital outside of America.
He said, Lindsay, send me anyone who has been diagnosed as having leukemia, but yet has never been given chemotherapy.
And he said, I promise you that within six weeks' time, I'll send them home to live a normal life to a ripe old age without any reoccurrence.
Then I met a doctor in Scottsdale, Arizona, who has had some amazing histories of doing away with prostate cancer.
And on and on we go with things like that.
So I finally said, with the listening ears that I have because of five different books, I must tell the American people what I found out.
So I wrote a book on alternative health care, where to go for help, and then just recently produced a very extensive one-hour documentary on deadly new diseases.
Well, I read that same Time magazine article you're talking about, Lindsay, and they suggested that, yes, it is true, there are a lot of resistant strains now, but they are quickly concocting, or at least trying to, new antibiotics that do get them.
Well, let me go right to, let's see, the very recent magazine, in fact, is Laboratory Medicine.
It's the publication of the American Society of Clinical Pathologists.
It's dated September 1994, and they had a very interesting article on the mystery of the Huntavirus.
And let me give you one or two quotes out of here that will indicate that those new drugs not necessarily doing what they say they have.
Now, I'm quoting right out of this very popular medical magazine.
It said, after the syndrome takes hold, it is not easy to control it.
Supportive therapy is the best we can do.
Then he goes on to say the FDA has approved a drug, and he says it's open-legal drug, but questions remain about its effectiveness.
Patients must receive the drug early.
This particular strain may move to rapidity for the drug, And it goes on to say that by the time this drug is proven, that it may be 10 to 20 years before they can get a success rate that would be useful to people.
And it everything but says that the drugs just are not doing the job.
And if you don't catch it within the first 24 hours, you're probably going to die anyway.
Well, the hunter virus was better known as the Four Corners Mystery Illness.
It was announced for the first time approximately six months ago in the area between northern Arizona on the Indian Reservation in Utah and New Mexico.
There had never even been a culture grown of it.
They thought they had an epidemic on their hands, which they did.
They had no known drug whatsoever that would stop it.
And the Center for Disease Control immediately went into action, tried to figure out what it was.
It took them days to ever name it, called it finally the hunter virus.
Now it has literally spread across America.
And they're everything but saying there's nothing we can do about it unless you catch it within the first 24 hours.
Well, they say it's transferred by dear mice, but there again, they're not quite sure because there were no dear mice in Minnesota.
So then they said another kind of mouse, and then it wound up in Florida, and they tried to claim that some other animal transmitted it down there.
And to watch a program that was on educational TV about three or four weeks ago here in Arizona, they everything but said, we aren't quite sure how many different animals might carry this thing.
Well, that Newsweek article on March the 28th, 94, called The End of Antibiotics, and also in Time magazine, September the 12th, 1994, they go on to say that 40 years ago, 50 years ago, medical science decided it would make a turnabout.
It had been using herbs, bark, leaves for years.
And all of a sudden, they decided they would go to the new magic bullets, the first being penicillin, every kind of vaccination imaginable, and they really didn't know what they were going to do.
As a result, the bugs supposedly were wiped out.
They thought they had conquered TV.
And all of a sudden, the bugs, and the proper medical term for this is a microbial mutation.
The bugs decided they would change because they couldn't live in the body any longer and they mutated.
And as a result, we have today old diseases that have become new strains that none of the known antibiotics will touch, many of them.
In fact, it was quite interesting that Newsweek magazine said, by now, nearly every disease organism known to medicine has become resistant to at least one antibiotic.
If man does not turn back to alternative medicine, if man does not go back to what was used for thousands of years, building that immune system which was put in the body, for instance, in a few moments, as we get into some very controversial things, I would like to give you right from documents of the government of the United States of America, and I'll tell you where you can find them.
You go to any library and get them.
The government of the United States of America knows there is a cure for AIDS.
It's so new, his theory, until I'm not quite sure.
I have read some articles on it, but I'm not quite sure which way to believe.
I do know that there is, according to the International AIDS Conference in Berlin, Germany, which was held on June the 9, 1993, and I took it right from their minutes, there is a cure for AIDS, and they know it, but you can't make money off of the cure that they give.
And they go on to state the last paragraph, scientists will now try to invent a drug which will imitate a strong immune system.
I had to laugh at it when I saw this.
I said, why don't they tell them to get rid of their white flour and white sugar, go back to eating right, start eating fresh green vegetables, learn how to take certain forms of substances that are natural that will build that immune system.
And neither will I talk about any type of substance over the air because it's not correct.
I will be doing others injustice.
But they said to me, we have numerous AIDS patients, people who have tested positive for HIV, who have been using our oriental herbs for a number of years.
Dr. Duisberg, and I suspect yourself have one thing in common.
It was his view that AZT, the traditional treatment for AIDS, Is poison and that AZT is mostly what kills people, destroying, murdering the immune system.
Well, I believe with AZT, the patient generally gets a temporary lift in T cell count, and then it quickly following that takes a very steep dive.
He attributes the lift in the T cell count to the immune system battling once very hard back, and that lifts the number of T cells, and then the immune system begins quick death.
Oh, positively, because no drug, no, what should we say, chemical substance falling through the body is going to build that immune system if it's an immune deficiency.
But let's go back again to Time Magazine.
Time magazine, in their article on September the 12th of this year, had a chart, which I thought was very interesting.
And AIDS is way down towards the bottom of the number of people that die every year.
That's true.
Diarrhea, way up at the top with 3,200,000.
Tuberculosis, 3,000.
Hepatitis, malaria, measles, all are before the AIDS death rate.
So we have some mutated forms of bugs out there.
And of course, the one most startling now is a new book written called The Hot Zone talking about Ebola.
These are much more drastic than the AIDS subject and are killing many, many more people every year.
So we had best figure out a way to do something with that immune system before one of these gets out of hand.
Well, at the beginning of that motion picture, they showed an incident in Africa, and I'm not sure exactly how it related to AIDS, except to scare the hell out of everybody, and it did that very well, where people began, it may have been Ebola, I'm not sure.
People began very quickly hemorrhaging through just about every orifice they have and dying very quickly.
And I've always wondered what a terrible end for the human race instead of some man-generated catastrophe like a nuclear war to in 10 or 20 hours and with international air travel, it would be entirely possible, the human race basically expires.
Yes, from what I hear from people like Lorraine Day, that is correct.
I had the privilege the other day of being on the platform with her in San Jose, California, because she is a medical doctor, and one of the leading physicians in one of the hospitals in Southern California.
She says that Southeast Asia and many parts of Africa will be non-existent by the year 2000.
You know, that would give credence, I think, to the theory that HIV does cause AIDS.
Otherwise, how is it spread from individual to individual?
If it's simply a slaughter of the immune system because of people not eating right foods and all that sort of thing, then there shouldn't be this kind of direct spread that we do see.
Well, I'm trying to look through here and get the latest statistics that were given by the UN.
This was in Geneva, Switzerland.
And if I can find the article, I'd like to read it verbatim so that the audience gets it exactly as is.
And I'm having to look through here in a hurry to try to find this.
It's on AIDS.
Of course, everything from the Wall Street Journal on have dealt with the subject of AIDS.
They're calling our hospitals now an AIDS war zone, and many of the nurses are dropping out.
One doctor recently wrote in his report, he said, new research reports a higher concentration of HIV virus are found in saliva and respiratory system than blood.
He said, contrary to earlier reports, kissing, coughing can be hazardous to your health, social touching, hugs, and handshaking.
This is actually a doctor's report.
Lorraine Day puts out a publication dealing with that subject, and I'm still looking here for that article from the...
And the actual rate of spread in this country, now I don't know about elsewhere, but in this country, has not turned out to be what it was forecast to be.
Now, you pointed out yourself, Lindsay, that in the Time article it's way down the list in killers.
Well, yes, the plague was pretty much out of control because unless they caught the person with certain drugs within the first few hours after getting it, they were in trouble.
But I think the thing that our listener would be very most interested in, Bob Lee from radio station KSL in Salt Lake City called me today and he said, Lindsay, I must give you this over the wire.
Yesterday, before you get on the Art Bell show tonight, CBS this week said that the plague has now spread to China, abhimonic plague.
The Korean news agency was the ones that announced it.
And since it spread into China, of course, naturally we'll never get any information out of it.
Now, the old pumonic, let's see, pumonic plague had to be spread by contact.
This new type of plague, which is called pumonic plague, is airborne.
And the New York Times on September 27, 1998 says, pumonic plague, which affects the respiratory system, is generally regarded as a public health emergency.
And then it goes on down to say this startling one.
Health officials around the world, including those in the United States, have long been known to lie about confirmed outbreaks of communicable diseases.
In the New York Times, it says the difference is that this new pumonic plague, they're calling it, is airborne, which the bubonic plague was not airborne.
That means that a person can cough in the cabin of an airplane.
The air, 80% of it is recirculated.
I'm a pilot myself, so I know.
And every person in that plane within a flight from India to America could be contaminated with the new bubonic plague after it gets into the air system and is airborne.
The same with the new strain of tuberculosis, which if you get it, you're dead.
There is no known drug will touch it.
And in my new videotape, I deal extensively with this new strain of TV, which is deadly.
In fact, I was on a radio station the other day, WWDV, with Art, And someone, the producer of the program, said, I would not go to the inner city of New York.
Now, that was an hour and a half away from the inner city of New York.
He said, I would not go to the inner city of New York for any amount of money because the new strain of incurable tuberculosis is epidemic proportion in the inner city.
I said, would you say that over the air when we go back on?
He said, not on your life.
I'm an hour and a half away, and I could be credited with starting a panic.
But Dan Rather, had the Bob Arnott, medical editor of CBS, on a few weeks ago, and I wrote down his statement.
He said, we are on the verge of a medical disaster.
And then the best one yet to come out is Dr. Ronald N. Jones.
He's a professor of medical microbiology division of the Department of Pathology of the University of Iowa.
And anyone listening who has access to medical periodicals, please get this one.
It came out this week.
It is must reading.
This week, in fact, I got the blue lines on this.
They sent it to me personally because they wanted me to get this out every place I could across America.
This article is published in the Diagnostic Microbiology and Infectious Diseases magazine this week's issue.
And this Ramo N. Jones, who is the Department of Pathology of the University of Iowa, very credible individual, was so perturbed over the new microbial resistance of these diseases until he had 43 labs to participate in his article, which he publishes in that magazine.
And in it, he states the following, quote, germ-resistant antibiotics are spreading at an alarming rate in hospitals.
And doctors fear pneumonia, blood infections, and other ills will become impervious to anything medical can now throw at them.
Routine ailments could become killers.
About 85% of the types of bacteria responsible for hospital-acquired infections gradually have developed a resistance to common antibiotics.
Well, that's, you know, Lindsay, it gets to the point where what is a mother to do?
In other words, who do you believe?
There are responsible health officials who are saying, look, we've basically eliminated polio in our time and some of these other diseases, and you vaccinate your children.
We have drives to do vaccinations.
We have national collection centers for vaccines, all the rest of it.
And then we have people like Lindsay and other doctors telling us, no, vaccinations cause problems.
Well, Art, a mother could do what a doctor just begged me to do the other day when he contacted me from Minneapolis, Minnesota and said, Lindsay, I am sending you in the mail the little slip of paper that comes in the bottle of vaccine for DPT and MMR.
And he said, we never post these in our waiting rooms.
But he said, please give this out to the American people everywhere you can.
And I have in front of me the contents of DPT and MMR and over on the side of the little slip of paper that the drug companies send in the bottle of vaccine to the doctor.
The most startling part yet that I think I've ever read is what reactions the people are to expect possibly in their children after these things are given.
Well, you must hear what a medical doctor, a medical doctor, a practicing doctor in Phoenix, Arizona says on my videotape as he gives about a five-minute oration on vaccines, what they do, why they do it, and how many children died with it last year, and his recommendations as to how mothers can protect their children.
Now, this is coming from an MD, and he was willing to be interviewed on my videotape, which of course is going all over the country now, and he tells what mothers can do if they decide not to give these shots.
Number two, our soil has been so depleted because of the use of chemicals by the farmers until I don't think it's possible for a person to get the proper nutrient from foods today.
You do need to take supplements that have been organically grown and add them to your diet.
I would highly recommend herbs that will build the immune system.
Well, without mentioning names, which I don't feel would be proper on this program, I will put it this way.
Along with the videotape, we will send a condensed pamphlet that you could know where to look for books that tell you how to use the right substances to help build that immune system.
Now, these are written by medical doctors.
And if you want to get their books, you can, which apart from anything that I do.
But you could at least know where to go for the information without me mentioning some particular supplement over the air.
Now, there is one that I've been very impressed with recently that a company has that supposedly is going to work wonders for the immune system, and it causes the DHEA of the body, which usually ceases to exist after about 20 to 30 years of age.
And it seems that the gland begins to produce it again when a certain formula of, well, I think they use the Mexican yam when it's given, and it in turn activates the DHEA, which enables the immune system to protect itself.
Well, you and I come in contact with so many things every day.
I, especially traveling in aircraft and being in so many large audiences, I can know when my immune system is strong because I don't get anything and let it become weak.
And immediately I'm picking up everything from colds on.
There was an earlier time in my life when I used to catch a lot of colds.
Now, I work from my home, and so I don't come in contact with a lot of people, but I do come in contact with people.
And I haven't had a cold in years, and that almost scares me, Lindsay, because I always thought that getting a cold or the flu actually built the immune system, because the immune system would be activated and would fight back, producing these various antibodies.
And I've been a little worried That I haven't been getting sick.
I would say that you don't have much to be worried about, really.
Be very excited because the doctor's office and the hospital, especially the operating room, can probably become one of the worst places in the world to pick up something.
I understand that 30% of the people who go to a hospital now come out with something they did not have when they went in.
We aren't being told a fraction of just how close we are with the depressed immune systems of the people in the world today.
We are on the verge of that particular virus or bacteria emerging, which, when it finally gets loose, whether it be Ebola or whatever it may be, could sweep across the world because of modern-day travel, jet aircraft, and communications, as we have it today, of people traveling so rapidly, could literally sweep the world and kill billions in a matter of days.
You know, I have this funny feeling that you're absolutely right about that, that a lot of people that have been talking about this are absolutely right, and I have this horror that it will actually occur.
What are the prospects of it actually occurring if we don't change something?
In fact, on 48 hours when they did the one-hour documentary, one of the medical professionals that were interviewed on the program said it's not a matter of if, it's only a matter of when.
It was quite interesting that they said in this article on the book, The Hot Zone, that Ebola may appear again next week.
It may appear again next year, five years from now.
Who knows when it's going to come out of the rainforest and if it could be transmitted by modern-day jet travel of someone going from that part of Zaire to the United States of America.
The same could be True of the disease that the person just mentioned, the virus, and many others.
In fact, I was just digging out some things here while we were on the commercial break.
The November issue, November 1994 issue of Laboratory Medicine, again, this is a publication of the Medical Society of Clinical Pathologists.
They have a lengthy article entitled, Emerging Infectious Disease, The Healthcare Community Confronts a Public Health Threat.
Now, medical magazines would have never come out with this two years ago.
They talk about hepatitis C. They talk about the calamity of infections, rodent-borne infections, and they go on and on with leading medical professionals of the country saying we are in trouble.
All right, but once again, Lindsay, that's with regard to how quickly it can spread.
My question was about the rainforest.
We're cutting it down, and my question is whether inside the rainforest, as we approach new areas of the rainforest, are diseases present in there that man could suddenly contact that he never has before?
In fact, there were a group of doctors here in America.
Let me give the title of the book.
I have it right here in my notes.
There was a book written by a group of MDs in America within the past six months that goes on to explain how that this could take place, that we actually are cutting down the rainforest.
We do not know what might appear from them.
The book is entitled Emerging Infections, Threats to Health in the United States of America.
It's produced by a number of MDs themselves and published by National Academy Press.
If you can even find one on the bookshelf, a bookstand, they're disappearing as fast as a person can pick them up.
And it's amazing how they say that we really don't know what's in that rainforest.
And as we cut them down, what might come out of there that could affect the whole world because of modern day travel.
Oh, very serious, because many of the substances that we use in modern-day medicine even come from the rainforest.
I think I believe I did see that program, and they said something about 40%, if I remember correctly, and don't quote me on this because I'm speaking without having a periodical in front of me, but something like 40% of the substances used even in modern-day medicine come from the results of leaves, bark, trees, and from the rainforest.
And they think that possibly if we ever discover something to build the immune system to overcome all of these others, that we will probably find it in that place.
So cutting them down is very dangerous.
We are diminishing the oxygen supply in the world.
I understand that the oxygen level has fallen something like two to three points since they started keeping records of it.
No kidding.
No known germ, no known bacteria or virus can live in an oxygen environment.
They've proven this from the hypervaric oxygen chamber.
It's the Journal of the American Medical Association.
It's dated October the 19, 1994.
This is very recent.
And the article is entitled, Cholera is Walking.
Now, this likewise is coming out of a semi-rainforest area in South America.
And I quote just one or two sentences here.
Since it began in January of 1991 in Peru, the cholera epidemic, now I'm quoting right out of the journal of the American Medical Association, the cholera epidemic has steadily expanded throughout the continent, as well as Mexico and Central America.
Fatalities ratio from 1991 through 1993, 606,653 in Peru, 31,655 cases in Bolivia, 2,623 cases in Argentina, and it is coming to our back door through Mexico.
Because the time frame in which we have destroyed our soil, cut down the rainforest, used antibiotics, which diminished the value of the immune system.
All of these things that we've done to ourselves has been within that timeframe.
So naturally, cancer will increase more and more as time progresses, and we continue to do these things.
In my opinion, I personally, Lindsey Williams, would not use an antibiotic or a vaccination or a shot of any kind under any circumstances.
I know enough alternative medicine sources, either in or outside of America, that I could feel perfectly safe in my own body of healing any illness that I have using those, including cancer.
You know, I wouldn't dare say over the air that you could cure cancer.
A very personal friend called me the other day, and he said, I have prostate cancer.
What can I do about it?
It's advanced stages.
I said, I can't tell you what to do.
Why don't you call this doctor in Scottsdale, Arizona, who has documented cases of within a very short period of time having the disappearance of all symptoms of prostate cancer.
And all in the world he's using is alternative medicine.
Maybe I should put it this way.
He's using essential oils injected into the rectum.
And as a result, it has given amazing results.
Now, I am not quoting what Lindsey Williams says can be done.
This doctor has documented cases and appeared just a few weeks ago on a certain company in America on a hotline whereby he said this to thousands of distributors all over the country and said, send me anyone who has got prostate cancer.
And he said, we feel certain that we can take care of it and disappeared within a matter of weeks.
What kind of documentation, A, of the original diagnosis is present, and B, what kind of documentation of a significant change or remission or whatever of the prostate problem is there?
In other words, what kind of documentation does he have?
Well, I don't dismiss what you're talking about, Lindsay.
I think it is entirely possible these kind of alternative treatments do work.
As I said to you earlier, last hour, though, it's very difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff and the good treatments that work from the fraud.
And there's plenty of the latter.
There's plenty of fraud out there.
And I guess that's what you try to do, is separate these.
And that's the reason I'm asked day after day after day to lecture across America is because I have tried my best to intelligently sort out what is right and what is wrong.
I have gone to the hospitals.
I have talked with the patients.
And I'm an author.
My only job is to tell the American people what I find.
And I think I can be much more honest that way, because if I were an MD or a practicing physician, I could not say many of the things that I'm finding in the air tonight.
Well, the traditional conventional wisdom treatment for cancer is chemotherapy or radiation or a combination of the two.
And this extends to a lot of other diseases.
In other words, the cure, it's many times a race to see which kills you first, the disease or the cure.
And they are kind of big blunt instruments where you go and you kill cellular material, quite a bit of it, and I guess you try and kill the cancer before the cancer kills you.
Well, they either burn you up with radiation or pickle you with chemotherapy or cut you apart.
And in the meantime, they make, as a member of our distant family recently had, leukemia.
And by the time they got through with all the bone transplants and everything else, they died and it's been over $200,000, and the doctor really gave them no hope when they started.
So, where are we?
We go right back to what do we do about it.
I'd like to get back to the subject of PB for a moment, if I may, because I'm finding that it is one of the most drastic of the new mutated substances around today.
And the Journal of the American Medical Association, again, is warning people, and in September 21, 1994 edition, they gave a very startling expose of a case in a certain prison.
I think it was in Minnesota, no, in New York State.
He said a certain solace, a certain inmate, was ill with undiagnosed multiple resistance tuberculosis.
I'm reading right out of the AMA Journal.
He refused medical care.
He lived in the general prison population.
There he transmitted the disease to other inmates and exposed 96 out of 306 inmates.
30% of them showed tests of having contracted the new strain of TB.
And I think something like 28 of them died.
And what they're saying is that this new strain of tuberculosis is so deadly and so lethal that it is spreading around this country and in particular in the inner cities of our country.
And if the immune system is not strong and we've not eaten correctly and taken care of our diet and the way we live, we're in trouble when we come in contact with airborne substance and especially when we're traveling in aircraft where air is recirculated in airplanes.
Oh, American Airlines recently thought they had a suit on their hands because a known person on the airplane later was found to have the new strain of TB.
And a number of people found out about it and I guess American Airlines came very close to a lawsuit.
I don't know what finally happened to it.
I was in, here's one that I have, the two papers right in front of me.
Well, I have in front of me the Sedalia Democrats, Sedalia Missouri newspaper.
I was in Kansas City lecturing there this past year, and they show a picture of a school teacher on the front getting a, well, let's see, a test for TB and also some sort of a vaccination or something.
I was back in the state two months later, actually speaking in Sedalia, Missouri, short distance from Kansas City, and I again picked up the newspaper off the stand.
Now, exactly two months later, toward the back of the newspaper, I quote, Garden City, Kansas, a tuberculosis outbreak in Finney County is worrying health officials, including one who says that the situation is nearly out of control in too much time.
It seems that Kansas and Missouri, for some strange reason, have a major outbreak of the new tuberculosis.
And many of the inner cities of America likewise have the same.
Here is, we're going back now to Lindsay Williams.
Aren't your guest warned of problems with vaccinations and went so far as to warn mothers to avoid having their children vaccinated?
However, here and in many other areas, a child can't even be registered for school without presenting a doctor's certificate proving the child has had certain vaccinations.
I understand that there's not a state in America that it is mandatory by law to have vaccinations.
Now, I may be wrong in some that have passed laws just recently, but from what I understood recently, they will harass you, they will intimidate you, but there is a form that you can sign whereby your child can go to school, and if there's an epidemic of some type in the school, they will in turn have your child stay out of school For a period of time, or if your child comes down with something, they likewise will ask you to keep them at home.
If the new health care bill passes, which is before Congress right now, Mr. Clinton's health care bill.
But if it does, it is mandatory vaccination for every child in America and up to a $15,000 fine, and your children can be taken from your home by child services if you do not give them the vaccination.
But until this point, there are still forms you can sign and get around it.
And as far as I know, every state in the country.
But let me warn you, they will harass you, they'll intimidate you, and there is an alternative method, homeschool.
Yes, and when you read that disclosure, I have read one similar recently for people who wanted to get the new flu vaccine, and it is scary what they asked you to give up in order to be able to take that.
In fact, the flu vaccine form even said there can be no suits initiated against this company.
You cannot hold them responsible for anything that happens.
Now, they would never ask that if they did not know that oftentimes it does happen.
Well, I just really felt like, even though I got very good care for them, I felt kind of violated and I felt like, like I said, I was coerced and forced in a corner, expected to sign and expected to get this shot, whether I needed it or not.
Remember, the doctors made money off of that, but they're also protecting themselves because if they happen not to get it and you did get that particular malady, then they could be sued.
And I'd like to know if you know anything about parasites.
I've been battling what I now believe are rat mites in my house and on my body for a year.
And I believe there's a terrible medical cover-up.
I've been sent to the city back and forth with nothing conclusive, although they've prescribed just tons of stuff for me, this urax cream, elomite, all kinds of stuff.
And I can't get rid of them in my environment.
I have cut them down to about a half by getting rid of this humongous silk tree that totally enveloped my whole property.
But it just goes on and on.
I wonder if you know anything about parasitic invasions.
In fact, there are a number of doctors around the country who are treating that particular thing, and they have most of that practice in dealing with it now because it is so predominant.
You are with thousands of others who are having the same problem, and I do quite often hear about it.
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I've been given the runaround by the city, by the county, the Department of Ag.
I've been told it's delusional.
I've heard remarks outside the door, yeah, we see some kind of eggs, but nothing conclusive, and then they come in and say, nothing's wrong with you, but we'll give you 40 tubes of your X cream.
There again, if I commented, I'm sure as a listener would like me to, I would be diagnosing.
And you must understand that as an author only, I have centered most all of my attention on the new microbial mutations rather than on particular ailments of a person's body.
And, of course, let me read two articles that I just pulled out here, just briefly, tell you what they said.
The first article that ever came out on that was June the 10th, 1994.
And it was, oh, let's see.
I guess it was the day prior to that.
No, the New York Times first article ever came out with it.
And they announced it on September the 8th, 1994.
And they said that the flesh-eating disease was a virus.
The very following day, or just a few days later, they came out with another report and said it's a bacteria.
Then they came out later, after they had time to grow some cultures, and said that it's a bacteria that contains a virus.
Now, the truth of the matter is, it's a microbial mutation.
It has been around.
They're exactly right.
It's been around for hundreds of years, known.
But when it mutates from one form to another and becomes a literal new disease of which they've never drawn a culture before, then they have to think up a new name for it.
And in the case of the flesh-eating disease, they said, sure, antibiotics will cure it.
And I immediately called a doctor friend of mine in Burrow Beach, Florida, and I said, well, will antibiotics take care of it?
He said, sure.
I said, how long does it take an antibiotic to take effect?
Oh, he said, 24 to 48 hours.
He said, that's where the problem is.
He said, within 12 hours, you can be dead with the flesh-eating disease because it eats one inch per hour.
In fact, in Fortune magazine, and it's quite interesting that a magazine like this would carry a medical article, but it was September 1993, I believe it was.
It called A Kill of Microbes.
Bacterias have developed a scary resistance to antibiotics, spawning deadly infections doctors sometimes can't treat.
We could go on and on and on with periodicals that have said these things are mutating.
And then this article in Fortune was so interesting.
It said, the hunt is on for a new wonder drug.
So now they want a super drug to take care of a superbug.
And then when that superbug again mutates to a super superbug, then where are they going to get super, super drugs?
And how fast can they create them to depress the immune system before we have the plague again?
But never on the face of the earth have we ever had a medical science that is using chemical substances and antibiotics contrary to the nature of this body.
Therefore, we have created a monstrosity today that no medicine in all of history has ever encountered.
But the people out there in the listening audience really have nothing to fear whatsoever because the Lord put in these bodies when he created them an immune system.
And if that immune system is allowed to operate correctly, we didn't have these mutations in the past because the immune system did that job.
And if products such as that, and by the way, congratulations, Art, for advertising that product, if products like that were used by people, well, they can solve much of the problem, and I'm quite sure that you use it from what you're saying.
Not because I have any similar or any particular ailment to be complaining about, but just because it sounds good.
I do understand a lot of people have had very good effects, though.
Now, let me ask you this.
There was a recent story, Lindsay, a very curious story, about that woman, Ramirez, I believe her name was, who expired and had deadly fumes, they thought, coming from her body.
Well, the doctor got sick.
The emergency room attendants got sick.
Several of them were nauseated.
A few passed out.
I mean, it was really serious.
And they kept the whole damn thing secret.
Then they came out and they said, well, we think that it was mass hysteria.
That one person got sick for some unrelated reason.
Everybody else got hysterical and they got sick too.
That seemed ridiculous.
So they came out then with another explanation saying that, no, now we think it's sewer fumes and that somehow got into the room where she was being worked on.
And now finally, yet another report that says, no, her blood had some kind of chemical in it.
When it mixed with oxygen, it caused what was in essence a biological warfare agent, making those people sick.
I don't trust them, Lindsay.
They lie.
They don't tell us the truth.
And I don't know what happened to this woman, but I'm highly suspicious.
The truth of the matter is we will probably never know the truth.
And an explanation is the Denver Post, dated August 13th, 1993.
It seems that the editor of the Denver Post went to the Department of Health in Colorado and said, many of my readers are wanting to know about the hunter virus.
How many states has it spread to?
And how many people have died from it?
And I'm going to read right out of the Denver Post, which I gave you the date on what the reply that in quotes by the Department of Health individual, he said, we don't want people to get hysterical, therefore I will not answer your question.
Now, it just so happens I had this one in front of me.
The truth of the matter is because of people like you and Radio Talks Your Host are doing the greatest job of telling the American people the truth of any class of people in America.
And I say congratulations because you allow people like me to get on the air and tell what I find as I travel from city to city around America.
And you expose the truth as it really is.
So keep up the great work.
And this is probably the only place that some people are going to actually get the truth.
Well, it may be, but there's no guarantee of that, Lindsay.
In other words, we are a forum, and I'm glad that we are here, and I'm glad that we can do this kind of thing in America, and it's what freedom of speech is all about.
But listeners also have to be cautious that what they hear here from Lindsey Williams or a caller or me is not necessarily the gospel according to anybody at all.
There again, I'm going to have to beg out, mainly because I deal strictly with the new mutated microbial mutations, and to, since I'm not an MD, to say that I know about a certain particular product.
You've just connected with the largest, fastest-growing talk show in this time slot in America.
It's called Coast to Coast A.M. Good morning.
I'm Mark Bell.
We're talking with...
His name is Lindsey Williams.
He has written a book called You Can Live.
He has a videotape.
We haven't talked about that yet, but we will this hour.
We've been talking about new diseases.
That's the subject.
The new strepe A, AIDS, The plague in India, new diseases, diseases that Mr. Lindsay says, if we don't begin to change our habits one day soon, may ravage the entire human race and in a very short amount of time, indeed, literally possibly within hours.
We'll get back to Lindsay in just a moment.
I want to repeat, do not call.
We're going to lean heavily on callers this hour.
Don't call Lindsay, please, and ask him to diagnose anything that's wrong with you.
He's not a doctor.
We're not going to do that.
And even if we had a doctor here, we wouldn't do it over the phone.
So don't ask.
Here is a fact, Lindsay, that I want you to comment.
Art?
Could you ask your guest his opinion of the following premise?
Are the new lethal and treatment-resistant diseases perhaps a necessity?
I'll explain.
Upon examination, nature seems to be a self-correcting system.
For example, when the natural predator of a given animal species is eliminated, it will quickly increase in number.
If starvation doesn't bring down the size, invariably a disease will crop up and kill a big percentage of that population, thus creating a balance and eliminating the threat posed to the ecosystem.
Scientists have speculated on the human population limit the Earth can sustain.
But given our present primitive understanding of the greater ecosystem, could that number not be much smaller due to a variety of factors that's presently bleak?
Perhaps we are in fact very, very close to that figure now, and nature is beginning with vigor to correct the echo threat we pose.
The natural system is quite efficient.
If the above hypothesis is correct, is there really anything we can do save perhaps significantly lowering our numbers to stave off what is to come?
Because of the use of wonder drugs, antibiotics, vaccinations, we have saved the lives of so many millions of people over the past 30 to 40 years.
And that is correct.
The hypothesis that he has just suggested, we have increased population on the face of the earth to a point that it probably has never been before, ever in all of history.
It appears that we have created our own demise.
And very readily, what he has just said appears to me is going to take place.
Well, so then what good the advice of Lindsey Williams to bolster your immune system and do this or that, whatever your videotape and books suggest, what good is it if we're all going to, or many or most of us are going to perish?
And I think there are millions of other Americans there that don't know what to do, that if they knew what to do, would likewise like to be amongst that group that do survive and make it through because, after all, what a wonderful world it's going to be after all that's over with.
So, yes, I definitely feel that there are many people listening to your program tonight who would like to be amongst the survivors.
There are many, many alternative medicines at work, and many, many different ideas, such as you've just mentioned, that are being proposed by the colleges around the country.
I suggest anyone that you feel that works for you is what you should do.
Lindsay, there are a lot of doctors out there, and as you point out, they've got a license.
But not all doctors are money-grubbing golf course playing business people.
There are doctors out there pledged to and faithful to the oath they took, and they want to cure, and I'm convinced of it.
And so where are all these doctors?
If this alternative stuff is so good, then it seems to me at least a percentage of the doctors, the goodens, would be out there screaming at the top of their lungs about what would really cure somebody.
Well, fortunately, I have been talking with many of them recently.
Most of them are so afraid of the powers that be that they speak very quietly.
But you're right.
There are thousands of doctors out there.
For instance, five years ago when I wrote my book, You Can Live, I could not find an American doctor, I'm sorry, an American dentist to write the chapter in the book on mercury fillings.
I had to get a Mexican doctor, a Mexican dentist, to write the chapter on mercury fillings.
We're going to be rewriting the book possibly when this edition is finished.
And I have a number of American doctors now that are saying we would love to write that chapter for you as a doctor in America, but yet five years ago, they were scared to death to do it.
Oh, I would counter it by some books that have actually been written within the past year's time by dentists.
In fact, I was with one in Seattle, Washington, just a matter of weeks ago.
He will not put mercury in anyone's mouth.
In fact, he says that there is an association of doctors now across America that have refused to use mercury anymore.
There are numerous books that have been written on this subject telling how deadly this stuff really is by people in the medical profession themselves, by the doctors.
And I would urge, before you listen to your dentist, but at the same time, explore reading one of these books.
And when you do, give me a call and I'll be glad to refer you to a doctor in many different places across America that even refused to use mercury.
In fact, the doctor who is a Mexican doctor who wrote the chapter in my book on mercury fillings was asked to speak to the dental association in San Diego, California.
So he came across the border from Tijuana.
And after he finished, he said, why don't you American doctors, now this is his word privately to me, he said, why don't you American doctors tell the American people the truth?
Why do you have to ask a person from Tijuana to come over and speak to your dental association?
And the response was, if the American people, now this is his personal words to me, almost verbatim, if I can remember it correctly, he said, if the American people knew the truth about how deadly Mercury is, the American Dental Association would have so many suits on their hand that they could never handle them.
And agree with 95% of the conversations going on here tonight, except for the fact that I feel Mr. Williams is, I think he's raking up a lot of fear and a lot of scaremongering in people.
Well, give us a specific where you feel there's been scaremongering.
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In the fact that if there are these, if there are so many diseases that are waiting to pounce on the American public that exist in the hospitals today, and that can be spread throughout, well, they can be spread, say, through the simple means of aircraft and airlines and air circulation systems, then why hasn't it happened already?
Well, as, let's see, as Newsweek magazine said in their article, The End of Antibiotics, it said that it's only a matter of time until that particular virus or bacteria does appear at the point that the people's immune systems become so weak that it will do the very thing that the individual has just talked about.
Time magazine basically said the same thing, and the latest article in some of the medical periodicals and even this course being taught at the University of Wisconsin is saying that get ready.
It's only a matter of time.
And why has it happened yet?
Well, antibiotics and vaccinations and wonder drugs have only been on the market for 40 to 50 years, but we have finally arrived at the point now that every major periodical, including the Journal of the American Medical Association, Time, 60 Minutes, 48 Hours, all of the others, are saying we have arrived at that point.
So, well, I don't want to name, but I mean, how did you finally find somebody?
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I did my research and read some books, and I finally found somebody by contacting the Huggins Institute in Colorado Springs, and they have a list of dentists that do not put mercury fillings in people's mouths.
Because a dentist who knows the issues, many of whom have written books on this subject, know the chemical makeup of the body and how that mercury is affecting it, even into the brain.
And when you read after some of these doctors, they say it positively is not a psychological thing at all.
It is for real a chemical process that takes place in the body that is affecting them to cause that.
Mr. Lindsay, I come from Connecticut originally, and of course the big story there, medically, is the new disease, Lyme disease.
Yeah, you're all familiar with that?
Yes, I have heard a lot of reports about it.
What are your thoughts about the subject in general?
The Lyme disease was one of the diseases listed in the Laboratory Medicine Magazine of the American Society of Clinical Pathologists in the November 1994 edition.
And they actually talk about it being one of the possible mutations from an old form of something that existed many years ago, but now, of course, is much more aggressive.
And they actually talk about this in the magazine.
By any chance, have you heard any of the read any of the writings of Spielman or Bergdoff or Sterl?
On the Lyme disease?
Yes.
I have read many articles.
I'm not quite sure whether by that particular person.
I'm looking here to see who actually.
Okay.
And what do they say?
Well, I was wondering if you read anything about them yourself.
I don't know that I've read after those particular people.
Okay, to change the subject quickly.
I've got a young child who's being harassed about, or we're being harassed about the hooping cock shot that you've talked about as being so dangerous.
Have they got anything new on the market that might be safer in terms of an inoculation?
Oh, Lorraine Day says there's no question but that mosquitoes have the capability of transmitting the AIDS virus.
And just recently, I was given the documentation on the number of people in an Alaskan village.
now alaska in the summertime probably has more mosquitoes than any place in the world and there's a village called uh Oh, they call it the Alaska Bird.
And when you break down the immune system to the point that we have in the world today, Then eat the foods that we're eating that don't have the nutrient, then breathe in the pollutants that you would have in downtown Seattle, and I was just recently there, by the way.
What do we expect?
So, our environment today has created a catastrophe.
But, of course, there are many supplements that you can help to relieve that, and your local health food store can probably help you.
When a person buys the videotape, I would like to make a gift.
Now, this is not a pocket-sized book.
This is a library shelf-size, full-length book of 200-something pages.
It's quite interesting.
A moment ago, my wife walked in and she said, boy, she said, this is really getting heavy tonight.
She said, can't you tell something jovial?
Well, I know we don't usually tell jokes on the air, but this is not a joke.
I would like to give you a copy of my book, You Can Live, because I feel such, okay, let me go a step further.
My videotape is not copywritten.
Now, this may also startle you.
And I'm begging those in the listening audience, when you get the videotape, to copy it, send it to as many friends as you can, send it all over the country.
I don't have time for grief because we're living too close to the danger zone.
And it is a full one-hour documentary on deadly new diseases.
And I want them to know that there is something out there that I don't mention products on the air.
I don't work for any company.
I do not sell any products.
I'm a lecturer and author only.
But if you want to know what the doctors say will work, there are books that you can, at least we give you an idea as to where you can find the information.
So we'll give you that condensed pamphlet.
We will also give you a copy of my book, You Can Live.
The videotape is $25 plus $4 for postage and handling.
And this is a one-hour video.
A doctor in Phoenix, Arizona actually gives the statistics on vaccinations.
We talk about, we go into the lab, and you see the culture's grown.
The doctors explain why all this has happened.
And there are interviews with doctors around the country as well as a portion of the tape I narrate as a portion of a lecture.
But actual documentation from doctors themselves on TV, AIDS, and also the soldiers that came back from the Middle East.
We have a lengthy documentary on the anthrax shot, which was given to the soldiers, and all of this on the videotape.
Now, if you'd like to order it by mail and you do not use a credit card, just write the video.
Just make the check table to video.
Box 234.
Very simple.
Box 234, McKenna, Washington.
Spell it, MC, the second word, K-E-N-N-A, McKenna, Washington, and the zip code 98558.
Well, they have been for a while because they were hoping tonight that we could give this out.
Now, also in the lectures that I give around the country, there are usually doctors that are asked to come to the lectures who are MDs, but follow the alternative medicine line.
And I will be lecturing next weekend in Houston, Texas, and in the audience Will be, as far as I know right now, two doctors, very reputable individuals who will be there to answer people's questions.
And if you'd like to attend my lecture in Houston, Texas, a week from now, you can call 713-587-2020, and they can tell you the place of the lecture.
But we do this all around the country because I don't want to leave people with a feeling of no hope, because it's quite to the contrary.
Lindsay, could we stop the use of penicillins, stop the use of virtually every other chemical medicine we have devised, go to herbal treatment and alternative treatments, and be in much better shape?
Humanity did prior to 50 years ago, and they got along quite well.
People living in the rainforest today, who have no knowledge for modern-day civilization, use the bark, the leaves, the herbs, and they say they can kill most anything imaginable except maybe Ebola.
Yes, but then if they built up that immune system deficiency as a result of the use of the penicillin, then the next one might get them.
So yes, there are places for all of these things.
But personally, now you're asking me for my personal opinion, my wife and I would not be without certain Oriental herbs that we use daily, and I will mention no company because there are many of them out there.
But they do work, and the Orientals have known this for thousands of years and have developed them.
Well, swine flu vaccine, I think, could possibly be answered by the doctor's talk on my video about vaccinations.
Maybe I should go to, well, let me dig through something here.
I have a statement that is to be signed by a company in Utah, and they were urging all of their employees to get the flu shot last year, but they would not give it to them unless they would sign a certain statement.
And I'm digging through here trying to find that statement, and when a person reads it, they realize very quickly that if they didn't think something was wrong with it, they would have never asked them to do it.
Yes, and I would always say agree with your, listen to your doctor.
I would never say do anything contrary to your doctor.
He knows your system best.
But there's a book written by Stan Mahlstrom.
He's out of Utah.
And it's on vaccinations.
And in his book, he says, in the past few years, we've found numerous reports have been publicized in the media and medical magazines emphasizing the negative reaction to drugs and vaccinations.
A prime example is the DPP shot that seems to be the primary cause of crib death, spinal meningitis, brain damage, and other problems in infants.
You say, always listen to your dentist, always listen to your doctor.
And it sounds to me like that's one of those things that you feel like you've got to say.
And that if I really caught you in private and you and I were sitting around having a beer or something, you'd tell me doctors are full of absolute crap and you shouldn't listen to anything they say at all.
Well, I think what you mentioned a moment ago, Ott, that when we're not out in public as much as some people might be, and you've said you haven't had a cold for a long time, and we don't come in contact with certain diseases, but that's what we are facing right now, is new mutated diseases that our bodies have not built up an immune system or have not built up antibodies against.
And there again, if that immune system is not strong, we definitely are in trouble.
Well, you do know the story that was written up in Time magazine about Westminster, California, where a 16-year-old Vietnamese immigrant had found it on his native land.
400 young people, 30% of the school came down with it, and 12 of them were diagnosed as having the new strain that is resistant to drugs.
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Well, this particular lady was in Puerto Rico, and she ended up infecting about seven or eight people in a short period of time.
And I have seen, I also did work in Yale, and at times they say the hospital was 50% HIV positive.
Also, Lindsay, there was a story about a half a year, maybe even a year ago, about a school somewhere in the Midwest which had a horrendous HIV infection rate, and nobody could figure out why.
Lindsay, that wasn't worth dealing with any further.
If he had legitimate criticism, you know, we're here to take that, and I allow it because this is an open forum, but that was just so much absolute baloney.