Dr. Bruce Goldberg explores reincarnation through verified cases like "Ivy," whose 46 past lives—including a 1927 murder in Buffalo—matched CBS records except minor details later confirmed. He links near-death experiences (NDEs) to measurable electromagnetic soul energy, citing Kurlian photography and quantum physics, where time is fluid and parallel realities allow choice over deterministic karma. Goldberg’s self-hypnotic tapes (1-800-527-6248) and October 1st workshops claim to safely access past/future lives, while callers share synchronicities like spirits vanishing or premonitions of death, reinforcing his theory that souls—originating extraterrestrially—progress beyond Earthly control. [Automatically generated summary]
Welcome to Dreamland, a program dedicated to an examination of areas in the human experience not easily nor neatly put in a box.
Things seen at the edge of vision, awakening a part of the mind as yet not mapped, and yet things every bit as real as the air we breathe but don't see.
This is Dreamland from the high desert.
It's Sunday evening and it's another dreamland.
Good evening, everybody.
I'm RBL.
We are going to go exploring about the possibility of a life after this life and after the next life and before this life and before that light.
Dr. Bruce Goldberg is going to be our guest this morning on Dreamland.
This morning, this evening.
This evening.
I guess in some areas I'll be right.
This will be replayed and it'll be morning.
At any rate, it's awfully good to be here.
Going back east now, as we always do, our weekly reporter, the much-renowned Linda Howell.
I thought that I would start tonight updating that extraordinary story of the 1,700 missing cattle from Laurica, Oklahoma.
Friday I talked with both the sheriff and with the president of First Farmer National Bank there.
The first hard piece of data is that Mr. Richardson's cattle have four distinct brands, and so far as of Friday, none of those brands have shown up in any sale barns, which was one of the investigations by the Texas and Southwestern Cattle Raisers Association in Fort Worth.
They sent investigators between Texas, Oklahoma, and other states looking for these brands in the event that they had been stolen for resale.
Now, the president of the bank said, told me that he knows in his bank that he holds many invoices of cattle purchases by the rancher, Mr. Richardson, that would be equivalent to this number of animals.
And he said that Mr. Richardson has been a rancher for 30 years and has developed a style of matching cows with their newborns as pairs and then selling the cow and that calf.
And that is his business.
And that of the 1700, they were divided evenly between cows and their calves.
The sheriff did confirm it would have taken at least 25 double trailer trucks to have moved that many animals.
And his problem is that they have not been able to come up with any evidence whatsoever that any kind of truck activity occurred in Guadarika.
And the sheriff is doubly puzzled because they have not been able to find evidence that there were that many cattle in this particular pasture.
But there are mixed data on that.
The banker says that he has seen the number of cattle that the rancher had reported or some form thereof.
And as of Friday, this remains a mystery, and I learned two other details.
Two other ranchers in Wawika, Oklahoma since the spring have respectively lost approximately 25 head of their animals, and they were reported to the bank, but they did not go into this kind of headline news.
The assumption was that maybe they were russelled, but as of Friday, those cases had never been solved either, and those brands had never showed up in any of the sale barns.
So as of this Labor Day weekend, the 1,700 animals are still a mystery at the sheriff's office and at the bank and Mr. Richardson's residence in Waurika, Oklahoma.
And I kept thinking as I was talking with these people, and we were sticking just with the facts, but I could not help thinking about that interview that I did with one of our Dreamland listeners who wrote me this summer about finding the mutilated animal out in Sand Springs,
Oregon, in a kind of depression in the ground with ear missing, eye missing, tongue, genitals, and rectum cord out, and having that cowhand say to him, well, I've seen these big white lights come at night and send down beams of light over these cattle, and I've watched these cattle rise in these beams of light, and then I've heard the cattle be dropped down to the ground.
Yes, and next Sunday I'll be reporting from New Mexico, and I will be talking with several of the veterinarians and the ranchers and others that have been working with us on these cases that I have been giving updates on now since May 14th when we had two steers found at either end of a lake about two miles apart.
And Dr. John Alchiller in Denver flew down to meet a veterinarian, Tim Johnson, from Taos, and they did tissue excisions and necropsies of those animals right in the field.
I have videotape of it.
And in both of those steers, under the microscope, the tissue had been cut with something hot enough to cook the hemoglobin.
So it is continuing to be an intense flurry of mutilations in northern New Mexico, and there's been a host of moving light, unidentified light sightings in southern Colorado.
So who knows what I'm going to run into.
But on this Labor Day weekend, as we are headed into the last quarter of 1994, I thought it would be valuable to go back to one of the most credible, multiple eyewitness reports of unidentified aerial objects this entire year to date.
It was March 8th, around 9.30 p.m. in Michigan.
Dozens of 911 calls were being made to the police department in Holland City, Michigan.
The police dispatcher recorded the calls and then phoned a National Weather Service radar operator to see if he could confirm the presence of anything in the sky.
I have an audio tape job from the unaltered master tape at the police department in Holland City, Michigan.
First, I would like you to hear one of the very first callers who describes a circle of lights.
And now I'm going to play an excerpt from the conversation between the Harland City, Michigan police dispatcher and the radar operator who is seeing three and four objects on his radar screen between 6,000 and 12,000 feet elevation moving in a triangular formation estimated to be 25 miles from end to end and moving at enormous speed.
And after those March 8, 1994 reports by dozens of Michigan residents, a policy of no comment ensued at the National Weather Service Office, which is a federally funded agency under the Department of Commerce.
As always, Art, the question is raised, what does someone in the United States government know about this phenomenon that it does not want to share with us, the public?
That question has been important since the 1940s and now 50 years later is still unanswered.
And I guess that's at the heart of why we do Dreamland.
And as I explained to you, I am going to show this videotape and the photos that I have to a zoologist at the university, one of the big universities here.
I will see what scientific comment there is and hopefully do it as an audio cassette interview and if there is any story here I'll report it on an upcoming dreamland in the next few weeks.
And by next Sunday, hopefully I will have some, I think, some very interesting eyewitness reports as well as, we hope, some more information back from the veterinarian pathologists who have been studying the most recent animals.
And for those listeners who are not up to date, Eli Wanich, who I have interviewed and have done updates on the continuing loss of his animals to the strange phenomenon, had up to his 15th mutilation this past week.
And another rancher not far from his ranch has had two and a mysterious death of a third animal, bringing the total of rancher, the mutilations in that Angel Fire Estanola area of New Mexico up around Paus since May 14th to at least seven cases that we've worked on and we've heard that half a dozen other ranchers have had mutilations which they have not reported.
So this is equivalent to the phenomenon last year in Alabama that my new documentary, Strange Harvest 1993, is about, when they had over 30 reports of animal mutilations in northeastern Alabama in a short period of time also.
Okay, I know you're very busy, Linda, but if you could possibly get that tape off to me before you take off for New Mexico, I sure would appreciate it.
All right, and the other thing is, Linda, a lot of people here listening to this program would like to write to you, so take a deep breath and give us your address slowly.
That's Linda Howell, and she will be coming to us from New Mexico next week, next Sunday on the program.
So you're not going to want to miss that.
Boy, there's a lot going on.
I've never heard audio tapes.
I've never heard audio tapes with that much solid witness evidence on them.
That was good.
Very good.
All right.
I want you to listen to me for a moment.
If you have any savings, if you have investments, if you have money, you've got to hear this.
Listen to me very carefully.
Our money, the U.S. dollar, is in some trouble.
It has been going down and down compared to the yen.
The bond market has been in a devastating downward slide.
There are problems on the horizon.
Our government has said they will issue a new money.
They announced that now two months ago.
One for use inside the U.S., one for use outside the United States.
So if you have some extra money, we are suggesting that you convert some of it to gold.
It just makes sense.
Gold always delivers.
It's always there.
It retains its value.
Way back in the 30s, had you an ounce of gold in the form of a gold coin, and you held that money until now, then and now, you would be able to buy a fine wool suit with that gold.
It's the best way I can think of to explain it.
And of course, $20 now wouldn't begin to buy you a fine suit.
If you had a $20 bill, it would buy you today what you can get today for $20.
But the gold would still get you the fine wool suit.
That's the best way to explain how gold holds its value.
So, call North American Trading and let them tell you all about gold.
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All you've got to do is call them in the morning.
Make that Tuesday morning, I guess, at 1-800-877-9799.
That number again, 1-800-877-9799.
in just a moment, Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
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Dr. Goldberg, right after the break at the bottom of the arrow, let me tell you a little bit about Dr. Goldberg.
He graduated from Southern Connecticut State College in June of 1970, earned a BA degree in biology and chemistry, attended the University of Maryland School of Dentistry, receiving his Doctor of Dental Surgery degree May of 1974.
Upon completion of a general practice residency program in dentistry, he set up both a general dental and hypnosis practice in Baltimore, where he practiced until 1989.
Dr. Goldberg moved his hypnotherapy practice to Los Angeles in 1989 and then retired from dentistry at that point.
In 1984, Dr. Goldberg received an M.S. degree in counseling psychology from Loyola College.
The American Society of Clinical Hypnosis trained Dr. Goldberg in the techniques and clinical applications of hypnosis in January of 1975.
This organization trains only licensed dentists, physicians, and psychologists in the use of hypnosis.
Dr. Goldberg has appeared on a lot of television and radio shows throughout the country.
He's conducted live past-life regressions on Donahue, Oprah, Joan Rivers, Regis, Cathay Lee, and other CNN stations.
Through lectures, television, and radio appearances, and newspaper articles, including interviews in Time and The Washington Post, he's been able to educate many people as to the benefits of hypnosis.
He's conducted more than 30,000 past life regressions and future life progressions since 1975, and none of his patients have ever been harmed through the use of these techniques.
In addition, Dr. Goldberg distributes cassettes to teach people self-hypnosis and guide them into past and future lives.
Dr. Goldberg gives lectures and seminars on hypnosis and regression and progression therapy as well.
He is also a consultant to corporations, attorneys, and the local network media.
So if you've ever wondered whether you lived before and may live again, this is going to be an evening you're not going to want to miss.
He just had a CBS movie entitled The Search for Grace.
I know he's proud of it.
He should be.
I saw it.
It was a wonderful movie.
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Well, one of the criticisms that not only my work, but my colleagues have had over the years, is that even though the clinical cases are very dramatic and very impressive, and of course that's my main purpose, people come to my Los Angeles office not to document lives, but to solve clinical issues.
But they say, well, can you prove it?
Can you substantiate with evidence?
And what I did was I had a case that was approached to me by a producer who wanted to do a movie for CPS.
And I said, okay, so I went to my files, and there was a patient of mine that I work with on the East Coast who I regressed her into 46 lives.
And number 46 was a life that she lived in Buffalo, New York, as a woman who was, shall we say, a very disturbed woman, if you will, a woman who was unhappily married and she was having numerous affairs on her husband.
And finally, she met up with the wrong guy at the wrong time, and he murdered her on May 17, 1927, Buffalo.
Her name was Grace Does and she gave me about three dozen facts in Trance Which were very specific, including her last name, where she lived, her mother's, her maiden name, her husband's occupation, where he worked, etc.
And I did initial research just to check on the validity of this.
And of course, the newspapers report murders the last couple hundred years or so, you'll always read about something, even if you're a Jane Doe.
And in fact, they did have this case where the name was checked out, and a few facts were checked out.
So I then just did the initial research, and then I turned it over to CBS themselves, and they had an independent researcher verify the other material.
As it turned out, out of about the three dozen facts she gave, not only were every one of them verified, with the exception of two, two of the facts that she gave were in dispute, which of course was a problem but not a big problem.
And the two facts were she said that she was 32 years old when she was murdered and she was not looking forward to her 33rd birthday.
And that her son's name was Cliff.
Now the newspaper reports that she was 30 years old and they said that her son's name was Chester Jr., Chester being her husband, her husband's first name.
As it turned out, doing the research, now in New York being a closed state, you cannot just go into the Department of Public Health records and look up a birth certificate as you can in California and probably can in Nevada.
What you have to do is you have to go to the governor's office and you have to fill out a requisition slip and you have to go to a big bureaucracy.
CBS got that permission, of course, with no problem.
As it turned out, in 65 years, 1927 to 1992, the only entity, meaning a person or corporation or any other specific situation, to request and to get permission to get into the records was CBS News in 1992.
And as it turned out, she was right.
The reporters were wrong.
She was born on January 21st, 1895.
She was 32 years old.
Her son's name was Clifford C. Does.
And the only way she could have known that is one of two ways.
Either she was, in fact, the reincarnation of Grace Does, which is what I feel she is, or somehow she accessed her soul.
Either way, it establishes reincarnation or at least a life after death or a permanence of the soul.
A lady came and told him a story, and he made it part of his book, One of Many Case Studies, and she came back later and said, ha ha ha, it was a setup.
Because the only way she was not a member of the family, okay, that's a given.
She was from a totally different part of the country.
And even if she did research the facts, you see, I'll accept that premise.
The problem here is that this is now one of the most documented cases of the century.
It's even better than the Bridie Murphy case because now we have the real, we call her Ivy, not her real name, but that's what I call her.
If she did research the facts, she would have given all the information that was in the newspaper reports, including the false data of her age and her son's name.
She could not possibly have known that.
In fact, I tell you I had an interesting confrontation.
I was doing an interview the day before the movie.
The movie aired May 17th, and on May 16th, I was interviewed on WGR Radio in Buffalo, which is a 50,000-watt station, which I've worked with for about 12 years or so.
I've done interviews on and off over the years.
And the host of the show, who's an old friend of mine, his name is Tom Barreley, and you may know him.
And Tom says, you know, I did some research, Doctor, and I have a person on the line I want you to speak to.
And I said, sure.
Now, what he said was that the Department of Public Health said that for $10, anybody can walk in there and get the birth certificate of anyone, including Governor Cuomo.
And I said, really?
I said, let me speak to the person, using my L.A. Law cross-examination vest.
And I spoke, John was very nice to Ellen.
He's a supervisor.
And he said that, oh, excuse me, but Doctor, I think before you even ask me any questions, there's been an error here.
You see, Mr. Bowerley spoke to one of my employees in reference to that, and my employee gave him the wrong information.
You see, I am the supervisor, and any request for birth certificate goes to my office before they're released.
Nobody, Jesus Christ couldn't get a birth certificate without having a family member, being a family member or having an absolute permission granted.
There's nobody that can get in here without a request filled out, signed in triplicate, and filed in the Department of Public Health.
So what he did was totally validate the idea that she could not have possibly known.
There's no way she could have known it.
Not only that, but Grace knows what people don't know unless they read the new book, is that this is a woman whose family disowned her.
I mean, nobody wants, there's no pictures of her.
There's no, there's, I mean, there's legal records of her marriage and her birth and her death certificate, of course.
But there's no, this is not the person that people talk about at Thanksgiving dinner.
This is a woman who was just like, just, you know, just ostracized, if you will.
So there's no way that it's physically impossible for her without getting into the Department of Health Records, unless she did a James Vond routine.
There's no way she could have possibly gotten that information, and that makes it extremely very valuable, especially those two facts.
So now in John Mack's case, I don't know about that case, but I'll tell you one fact.
I guarantee I can tell you the source.
The source is most likely an organization called SissyCop based in Buffalo, New York, by a man named Paul Kurtz, a name I'm sure you probably know.
He's a parapsychological debunker who would like to use magicians to set up people.
But this woman, not only do I know she was not set up because of that, but here's another interesting fact.
Here's a woman who she refused all interviews.
I'm like her agent here.
She refused to go on, all the panel shows wanted to do interviews with her.
And that fact, people now want to do.
In fact, major magazines and newspapers want to do interviews with her.
And I guess you also, by the way, another thing too is here's another interesting measure.
People always talk about the finances.
You know, they always like to get down to the old greenbacks.
And this is not gold coins, but American dollars.
But what they said to me was that, well, what about the right fees?
Well, Ivy, or the real Ivy, signed over the rights to me.
She did not get a cent from this.
In fact, her advice to me was, prior to me dealing with CBS, she said, I want you, Dr. Goldberg, to get the message out in only the way you know how to do.
Which means, of course, using the media for education and getting the point across, as I am well known to do.
So here's a woman who got nothing out of this.
Zero.
I mean, nothing, no one knows who she is except for me.
And in fact, I'll tell you another validation, which is kind of indirect.
I got a call from an attorney in Buffalo, New York, who called me about a few days after the movie aired.
The granddaughters of Gray Stoes, who are alive, they're baby boomers, if you will, they had to contact an attorney to get to contact me.
They want to meet the real Ivy because they obviously believe that she is the reincarnation of their grandmother.
And so, I mean, here is an attorney and four granddaughters, one of which, who looks exactly like the real Gray Stowes, have already contacted me trying to get me to hook up with the real Ivy.
So, I mean, there's so much information coming up here.
There's so many things that are happening that are just, there's nothing to disavow it.
There's everything to support it.
And like I say, what is her benefit?
She has nothing to gain by it.
So, I mean, this is something that the research itself was very properly done, and it was done by an independent organization, not by me.
And therefore, you know, I mean, there's no way to disavow it.
So, I mean, this is not going to be a reincarnation of what Dr. John Mack went through.
Okay, first, when you mentioned retirement from dentistry, which is true, although I do do malpractice consulting, you have to understand your listeners who do not know me, I am a very young retired dentist.
When I was going to college in the late 60s and federal school in the early 70s, 70s or 74, in the 60s, I was not interested in watching plays or the movie like Hair.
I had no interest in reincarnation.
I was a very straight biochemistry student at Southern Connecticut State College in New Haven.
So I had no interest whatsoever in any form of metaphysics until about 1972 when I took an astrology course.
I started reading about astrology.
And then I read the Bridney Murphy case.
Maury Bernstein subsequently has become a very good friend.
But I read the Bridney-Murphy case, and I found that as a scientist and clinician, I found that extremely interesting.
And I think, you know, I want to test this hypothesis.
In dental school, I decided I wanted to use hypnosis for pain control and apprehension control, which is very important.
It's an excellent use for dentistry.
And I used it for 13 years in my dental practice.
However, I wanted to test the hypothesis.
While I was a resident being trained in Florida, I took a course by the American Society of Clinical Hypnosis, which, by the way, does not believe in nor in any way accept the concept of reincarnation.
I mean, they're a very hardline, very conservative, very straight-laced, and if not reactionary group.
And so I sure didn't get my stimulation from them.
And the very first patient I decided to test this on was a friend of mine.
She was a graduate student at Florida State University in Social Work.
And she went into nine different lives, which I thought was interesting.
I'll tell you why that wasn't such a big quantum leap.
The quantum leap was taken with deciding to do the hypnosis for dental purposes and to use it in my practice, which is what the American Society trained me to use it for.
While I was being trained, one of the psychiatrists who was training me, he said to me, he said, you know, doctor, he says, you're a young doctor, and I was just right out of dental school.
And he said, you know, most people take this course to the CE units, and they go home and they put a plaque on the wall and they talk to their grandchildren about it later on, but no one ever uses it.
Very few of us ever use it.
He said, you are very talented.
You've got a great voice and technique and you're very assertive and you've got a lot of characteristics here that are ideal.
So I want you to just know that from my perspective, I want you to use this in your practice.
And I said, you know, I said, I drove hundreds of miles to take this class, and I didn't do it just to impress my wall with my other degrees.
I said, I intend to use this very fully.
So that was a very nice compliment.
When I got back, though, so testing the hypothesis, you don't just read about hypnosis, you have to do it.
It's a very clinical and very hands-on approach, if you will.
So using hypnosis on my, this was not really a patient, she was a friend of mine, a colleague, if you will, later on.
She simply said, look, if you're going to do hypnosis, why don't you do it with me?
I think this is kind of fun.
I'd like to try it.
Just, you know, it's relaxing.
It's automatically a positive thing to do.
So I figured the worst I could do is just learn a few techniques.
And, you know, if I fail, whatever, it's a friend of mine.
What I didn't know until later on, until after working with her, was that she was a somnambule, which is the relatively rare kind of person, about one in 20, who can actually go into a very deep level of trance, speak foreign languages fluently in trance, and even give enough information for complete validation.
But that really wasn't my interest at the time.
I didn't perceive at that time, I didn't do a progression and focus on me doing a documented case on CBS in 1974.
As it turned out, she went into these nine different lives.
And what was interesting was that while I was working with her, I wasn't doing anything therapeutically at least purposely.
I was just using experiments, techniques, and asking questions and finding out how to deepen the lead trans level, doing some of the things that we do in hypnosis.
She had two habits in a phobia that I wasn't even aware of.
She was a smoker, but a very infrequent one.
She had a bulimic habit, which is an eating disorder, which of course is easy to hide if you don't live with the person or know them that well.
And then she also had a fear of water, which I didn't know because we used to go to the beach, and she would never go into water.
But you know, a lot of women don't like to do it because of skin issues or whatever.
They just like the sunpan themselves.
But she was afraid of the water.
As a result of going through these regressions, she overcame each of those three issues.
And I wasn't even trying to work with her.
I never gave her any direct suggestions or any techniques.
She just, by going through the experience and by going through what I didn't know at that time was a technique I was led to document and develop called the superconscious mind type, which we'll talk about, was able to actually help her to raise her own soul's energy and rise above the issue, like the immune system, if you will, and was able to permanently, I mean, I knew her for about 13 years or 12 or 13 years later.
She eventually moved up to the East Coast and I knew her professionally at colleagues.
So here's the woman who overcame these issues very, very extremely.
So that really got me into the idea that, you know, something, this deserves more attention.
I immediately developed a part-time practice.
Even before I developed my dental practice, I was actually a resident at the time.
And when I moved back to Baltimore to open up my dental office, I practiced dentistry only two years full-time and hypnotherapy part-time.
Within two years, hypnotherapy was now my full-time practice, and dentistry was about 10 hours a week.
So it was a very intense dedication and commitment very early to hypnotherapy.
All right, something I really want to ask you about, and it's that moment.
In other words, you may have heard, read, done research about people with prior lives and all the rest of it, but I doubt that it can compare to getting your first subject under and that moment when you realize you have led them into another life.
It must have raised the hair on the back of your neck.
What happened was that, see, what happened first in dealing with my colleague here, she went to, the life that she went through the first, was a life in which she drowned on board a ship in about the early 1700s.
And she went through the death experience, including the suffocation and everything that the helplessness and the hopelessness of drowning, whatever it means, which is not something that people would want to think of how to spend a nice Sunday evening.
And that experience, which was very emotional, but of course perfectly safe.
At the same time, when I saw that, when I saw the intensity, this is a woman who was, I knew her, she was a very bright, very quick mind, very global, very open-minded person.
But here's a woman who is not an actress.
She wasn't a theater major.
She was a social work major.
And here she was going through these contortions, these intense things.
And I said, boy, if this isn't real, then, you know, I'm going to eat my proverbial hat.
And as it turned out, this was very critical in an immediate relief of that particular phobia, which, again, I didn't know existed.
And within about three or four days, when I saw her next, she was swimming in the ocean, not just watching it.
And that was, to me, extremely impressive.
I said, boy, this is like when the student is ready, the teacher will be there, and necessity is the mother of the proverbial invention.
Basically, I like to think of myself as not really solving people's problems or curing people, but simply training them to do it themselves.
And what I did with her was trained her to access literally her higher self, which we'll talk about.
And she was able to overcome these issues.
She was really mostly by herself, just needed a little what I call karmic tweak, as I call it.
But the effect upon me was dramatic in the sense that I said to myself, whoa, this is like the light bulb going over your head.
Or this is the thing that I said to myself, I'm going to now devote more time to this.
I'm going to check this out, and I'm going to do more and more of it.
She referred a lot of her classmates to me and other people that she knew in town who this was Tallahassee, Florida, which was Florida State University is like one of the major industries in town, if you will.
And so I had a lot of, I had this in practice, and I had a lot of experience and a lot of people to work with, and it just got more and more interesting and more and more therapeutic.
But in my older book, Past Lives, Future Lives, the Valentine publication, there's a chapter where I talk about what happens in between lives and how you choose your next life.
And in fact, there are techniques and tapes that are available that people can actually go through that experience.
I call that the superconscious and the soul plane.
We can talk about that later, too.
But basically, what happens is that when the soul, you have to understand the soul is equivalent to this radio signal.
This radio signal is electromagnetic radiation.
Television signal is also the same kind of radiation.
Well, interestingly, there was a man named McDougal in the early part of the century who did a study where he had people on these, they had of course signed permission for this.
He had these on these very large analytical balances.
When I was studying chemistry, we used to use these very fine balances to measure very small weights of matter, solids.
Well, he had a gigantic version of these analytical balances.
And what he did was he had people who were about to die.
And they give him permission to allow them to weigh them while they were dying.
And what happened was that at the moment of death, upon the expiration, and of course they were hooked up with various machines to show when they actually physically crossed the spirit, as we call it, or clinically died, there was about a three-quarter of an ounce difference in the weight.
Well you have to understand you're dealing with a litigant society and how many people it's harder to get bodies cadavers to medical school, let alone people to put themselves on boundaries.
I read the original study years ago, about 20 years ago, but it was a study that was done, I believe it was done in June, but I'll have to double check.
Anyway, it was a real bona fide study, and it can be searched.
Yes, we were talking about the idea of in-between life state, and I was referring to the idea that the soul or the subconscious mind, which is identical to a radio or TV signal, the electromagnetic radiation, in neurology or medicine, we refer to this as the alpha brainwave level, which has been documented since the early 50s.
Well, as it turns out, what happens is that there is a rather standard scenario that occurs during the in-between life experience.
But first, let me just go back to the scientific aspect of this.
We can weigh the soul to approximately three-quarters of an ounce, as was done in the early 1900s.
We can photograph it.
Kurlian photography, developed by the Russian researcher Kurlian in the early 40s, shows that you can take it's a human aura or the soul that you can actually photograph.
What you're actually photographing is the actual soul, because what goes on here is that the thermodynamic energy you're referring to, such as our 98.6 body temperature, would not emanate very far off the body.
But basically what we say, we can photograph it, we can weigh it, we can observe the phenomena via automatic writing as other indirect ways of perceiving the presence of a soul.
Delayed publicly, you know, there's a Flat Earth Society, too, but I'm not a member, you know.
I don't have a card.
Anyway, so the presence of the soul is important because it does actually show that there is a life after death.
And of course, things like the documented cases and other things that we can do just only add to the data.
What happens in between lives is very interesting.
You mentioned a very good, a very dear friend and a very qualified man, Ray Moody, who of course turned near-death experience in 1975 in his book, Life After Life.
Well, as it turns out, his experience of the core experience of a near-death experience is very similar to what happens when a person actually does die in a past life.
What they do is they do go through the tunnel, if you will.
Most of them do.
There's a variation, but there's a core experience there.
They do have the presence of light and colors and sometimes sounds.
They do have the presence of a guardian angel, if you will, a loved entity.
It might be an image of a Christ or other religious leader.
It might be an image of a grandparent or some other person that they've known who's on the other side.
They do have this feeling of empowerment, of peace, of freedom from physical, whatever they were suffering from, whether it be a heart attack or a spear in the chest, whatever it may be.
And, of course, they're always perfectly safe when they do this.
It was CBS or some network recently did something on the near-death experience.
They had physicians who came on presenting the other side, saying, look, the brain has synapses.
As the brain dies, it dies from the outside, Rushing toward the center.
So we are not surprised that people who are dying see a bright white light that gets smaller and smaller and more intense as the outer portions of the brain die.
Well, I would counter it very simply, and I will counter it not only with the work of Ray Moody, but also with a very good colleague and a mutual friend of ours, Dr. Kenneth Ring from the University of Connecticut, who wrote a book in 1980, which no one seems to have ever heard of called Life or Death.
It's a great book, but it's very technical.
What happened here is that, you see, what Dr. Ring reported, and Dr. Moody didn't really report this that much until later on.
Ring was the one who really focused on the idea of precognitions as a characteristic of near-death experience.
What happened was that Dr. Ring would report in his book and subsequent books afterwards, that people would have these premonitions of future events and they would document it.
They logged them in with little computers and they kept registries of these.
And these people would not only perceive them at the corner of a room where they would see the dials of what their blood pressure was when they were having a near-death experience, which of course they can't see when you're lying on a slab in an OR, but they also would report their cousin getting in a car accident three weeks hence and things like that that were actually documented.
Now, I know it was a woman that was on this network, especially I saw it myself, and I understand her cowlessness and her mentality, but she also has a reputation of being very hard to know as anti-parapsychology.
See, I have to understand there's no such thing as an objective opinion.
What she can't describe, though, and what you can't explain, she was dealing with the neurophysiology of which I have a background, and I understand what she was saying, but she can't explain the precognition or what I call progression in paranoia featuralized, where these events actually come true.
They do not come true when people are out of this near-death experience in the normal waking state.
We're not talking about psychics or sensitives or people who have that experience.
We're talking about only people who have this experience as a result of the near-death experience.
So therefore, that gives, again, indirect but very substantial evidence.
Anyways, there are various different procedures.
Everybody has their own mentality.
For example, in Past Lives Future Lives, I described a talk show host from Baltimore who's now in New York, Harry Martin, who's now at WABC-TV in New York, who went to this dome experience where he would choose his next life.
He was in a dome experience and almost the equivalence of a network headquarters where you'd have monitors showing all your past lives, your future options, and then he would have his masters and guides.
His higher self would be there, his departed relatives.
He had all kinds of advice as to what to choose in his next life.
Other people might report being on the Himalayan mountaintops or whatever you feel comfortable is what you're given.
But there is an in-between life state where you are accessing what we call your higher self, which, as you'll see, is very important for the therapeutic components of what I do.
And I tell you, I don't know anybody in the world that has the experience I have of doing over 30,000 aggressions on 10,000 individual people in 20 years.
And I have never had that.
I've never had anybody ever report to me what you're calling the judgment or the judgment day, if you will.
What they get is a very objective overview of what they've done and not focusing in on their faults, but simply, okay, now this is what you've done, and this is what needs to be done, and this is what your options are.
Well, you could always say, judging not, let ye be judged.
But what I'm thinking is that there isn't the idea of somebody, some white-bearded, white-cheated person with pointing finger, so to speak.
It's a very objective, very beautiful, peaceful, ethereal experience that's described in various different forms.
But that seems to be the bottom line where you have this overview.
It's what I call a global assessment.
And this is done from what we call the soul plane.
I described the various plane concepts in Translified Future Life for those of you who listeners that are interested in more detail.
This is basically gotten from metaphysical literature.
But basically, they have this, they're on a different dimension, if you will, where there are no physical laws as we know it.
Anytime you leave the Earth plane, even in a near-death experience, assuming that you're going to what we call the astral plane or the next highest plane, there are no physical laws as we know it.
In fact, you're in the space-time continuum, which means that past, present, and future are all simultaneous, which is more fully explained in the new book, The Search for Grace, which is just Hut Off the Presses, published by In Print Publishing, and it's just out now.
And what I'm trying to say here, you have a way where you have the choice.
It's not like what people say, you know, I just, I have bad karma, so that's why I've done what I've done.
That's what I call the karmic cop-out, or the excuseitis, as I call it.
And to me, that I will always confront, as you know me, I'm not exactly a shy person.
And I will always say, look, you choose this.
You may have made some mistakes, or maybe you didn't follow the path that you wanted to do, but you can always correct it.
There are very few things in life that you really can correct.
In fact, quantum physics, which is the basis of the field, says that our thoughts create the reality.
Therefore, the only thing that we know in the universe, we're not even sure of this, is there's only one mind out there, and that is your mind or my mind or your listener's mind.
We don't know there's any other mind out there.
We don't know what else even exists in reality, but we do know that our thoughts do create a reality.
In fact, all right, a quick technical question about this plane.
When you're on this plane, I take it you have a kind of consciousness, and your consciousness is a product of the life just lived, and you retain that until the moment you make your choice about the next?
You actually retain, not only do you retain the life of which you just lived, but you also, this is what we call your ultimate consciousness, which is, by the way, a constant in quantum physics equations.
That's how scientific it is.
You have a consciousness and an awareness of all your past lives, all your few lives, all your parallel frequencies, and all the possible combinations and permutations for you to select from.
See, so this is why there's no excuse side of successes.
Now, people can always deny things and use their defense mechanisms as people are want to do, but the point of my therapy is to get people beyond the defense mechanisms.
Well, actually, you had the right point, but the wrong term.
The eternal hell that people would describe, this is going to offend certain people, and I'm not running for office.
Basically, according to my research and my experience, and again, it is voluminous, the hell that we talk about, what people have related to, is really the earth plane.
What you're living in right now is the hell.
There's nothing below the earth plane, no matter how you slice it.
I've never had any evidence of anything below the earth plane.
I mean, I have dramatic cases that are reported in both books.
I mean, Ivy, here's a woman, let's just deal with Ivy for a moment, the real Ivy, was murdered by the same man 20 times in 46 lives.
He tried to murder her on three different occasions in her current life.
And had she not have gone through this experience, she probably would be belly up or face down in her 21st experience of being killed by this man that we call Johnny in this life and Jacob in 1927 Buffalo life.
So here's a woman who is constantly, the hell was simply being murdered by this guy, the victimization and the karmic retribution, if you will, of not learning the lesson of finally standing up to your rights and getting on with your life and removing this obsession, obsessive compulsive disorders will be called, and to rise above this.
And that was really the whole point of the book.
See, the Search for Grace book, the reason why that is very different from Past Lives, Future Lives, is because the Search for Grace, not only is it a documented case that's fully documented, but it also reads as a nonfiction murder mystery.
You know, the Buffalo Police Department today consider the Grace Does case an unsolved murder.
And I had a very nice conversation with a man named Sandy Constantino, who is the Tanawanda wish, who was actually murdered, the chief of detectives.
And he, at least he was in 1992.
And he said to me, he says, well, doctor, you know, we know who the murderer was.
Knowing police mentality, since I'm a forensic consultant, I knew he would assume it would be the husband.
And I said, well, that's very good, Sandy.
The problem was that Chester Does had a broken leg the day of the murder, which, of course, was reported in the newspapers.
And he said, yeah.
And I said, plus, he also didn't drive a car.
He was also illiterate.
So therefore, he must have, unless he read to the cab and said, excuse me, cab driver, take me to this place where I can murder my wife and then bring me home and help me get through the door in my clutches, it wasn't the husband.
He said, well, I guess you're right.
So who was it?
And I said, well, you can't try a man for a past life murder.
The real ID now, this is now six years after this regression was done.
And by the way, some interesting things have come up here.
She, by the way, is in a very healthy relationship.
She broke off the relationship with the man we call Johnny, or at least he was called Johnny in both the book and the movie.
And she is very, very healthy.
She's a very young woman, actually, but very, very bright, a professionally trained woman, and she's going all right, very happy.
She loved the movie.
She loved the new book, and she's a very totally empowered person who you wouldn't even literally recognize from her behavior now as to when I saw her six years ago.
But the interesting thing about this case, though, again, it leads as a non-fiction murder mystery that, of course, was solved.
It's also showing the principle of synchronicity, which is very well tuned throughout the entire book, which is the Jungian concept that says there are no coincidences.
And what was synchronistic about this case was not only the fact that she would hook up with me, but that CBS, the network itself, was actually introduced to us indirectly, including the writer of the movie, over a 10-year period of time that I wasn't aware until long after the fact.
So it was a very, very kind of an unusual circumstance that led us to all get together, where not only she was able to resolve her issues, but also this was able to be dramatized in a relatively accurate form on May 17th.
By the way, for the benefit of your listeners, if they saw the movie, the 11 o'clock moons after the movie did show me on a little clip showing an actual aggression in one of my other patients.
And some of your listeners may have also seen me on the Jerry Springer show that was aired in January, where he was taken into both a past and future life.
In his past life, he shared a life where he was actually helped by his current wife's daughter.
So there was a karmic tie with his past life experience in medieval England.
But again, the point of all this is that this is a case where you have karmic ties, relationships.
We know each other in past lives.
We know the significant people in our lives.
Victimization, which is always the issue I deal with.
The idea of relationship ties, of empowerment, of overcoming issues.
It doesn't matter what the issue is, as long as it's humanly possible and the patient is motivated, anything can be accomplished.
And by the way, another theological reference here, in the movie, the very end of the movie, they showed the real grave being buried, and the marker on her grave said, ye shall be born again, which was a really not quite exact quote from John chapter 3, verse 7.
The real quote is, ye must be born again.
And on May 15, 1994, two days prior to the airing of the movie, Alex Ayers, the writer, and myself placed a marker on the real Grace Doze's grave, which was unmarked for 65 years.
And in fact, that is there now.
The movie was also aired synchronistically and not with intent.
The network didn't do it for that reason.
It was aired exactly 67 years to the day from her death.
And not only that, but it aired to the hour because she was killed, murdered, apparently, according to the coroner's report, at approximately 10 p.m. Eastern Time, Eastern Standard Time.
And the movie was aired between 9 and 11 p.m. on May 17th of this year.
Well, the reaction has been unbelievably positive.
I mean, I'm even surprised, and I've been in television installments for 15 years.
When you're on the 11 o'clock news nationwide, you're going to get a variety of responses.
Now, what I got was I really, I don't, my secretary has not logged in any calls of people saying, you're a jerk, I hate you, goodbye, or, you know, you're the devil reincarnate.
I haven't gotten any of those.
Most of those people wouldn't call me anyway.
But what I've gotten was a vociferous response of very, very nice people who, of course, wanted therapy and wanted experiences.
What's very interesting about this is that, this is what I want to talk about now for a few minutes.
What I said on the news, you know, this is a three-minute clip that went nationwide, and I know you saw it in Las Vegas.
What happened was I discussed, if you recall the news clip, I discussed accessing the higher self, the superconscious mind level, perceiving the soul's awareness, perceiving into past and future lives, being able to change your future by empowerment.
And what people responded to, as lovely as they were and were so appreciative, this is one of the reasons why I did it, was that they said, you know, Doctor, I've never in my entire life ever watched the 11 o'clock news and had somebody talk about the superconscious mind on the 11 o'clock news.
And they just never got it before.
I mean, you know, it just never came, especially from a credible source.
And therefore, that was one of the main effects people got.
Even those that, of course, many of them had their experiences and came to see me.
I'm still getting lots of referrals from that.
But what they said was that, we really appreciate you having the guts to say that, having that error, and being willing to take that stand, fearing, you know, knowing of the potential response, the response is real positive.
And I knew it would be, but the point was that I have a certain karmic purpose or sub-cycle in this life of education.
And I do not believe in education by, shall we say, by eggshellness.
I believe in education by confrontation and by doing whatever has to be done.
And the network was kind enough to, they edited, of course, it down, but they left the soundboards in the key points.
So it was a very nice response and very appreciated.
Even people who didn't come to see me just called in, and I had calls from all over the country.
People said, you know, I can't come to Los Angeles to see you.
As a matter of fact, in Past Lives, Future Lives, you understand, when I was dealing with Valentine, they didn't want me to devote too much time to the technical aspects of quantum physics in order that it would turn off the public.
The Search for Grace has three appendices in the back.
Appendix C has an actual self-healing exercise, but Appendix A and B will give the complete background of how this therapy works, what we call transpersonal psychology.
It will also tie in the space-time continuum in quantum physics.
My guest is Dr. Bruce Goldberg, and we're going to get back to him and more about past and future lives and the nature of time in just a moment.
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All right, back now to our guest, Dr. Bruce Goldberg, and I was asking him a little bit about the nature of time.
After all, if we come back in a succession of lives, both in the past and then into the future, it would certainly suggest, or it seems to me as you follow this, it would begin to suggest something about the nature of time itself.
Well, what quantum physicists fate and actually prove both mathematically and experimentally is that all time is simultaneous and functions in a continuum.
So there really is no beginning and no end.
Past, present, and future events are really occurring all at the same time.
The analogy that I used in both Past Life, Future Lives, and the Search for Grace is a simple one of a helicopter.
If you're listening to the radio during the early morning and you're driving on the freeway or highway where you would live, and you hear this helicopter report about these traffic patterns, if you are in this car and there's a helicopter directly above you by 200 feet, and you have a CB and the helicopter has a CB, so you're a karmic good buddy here, and then there's a car five miles behind you where you just came from and five miles ahead of you where you're going to, you can't see a car five miles in front or behind you on the freeway or highway, it's too far.
But the helicopter, because it's 200 feet above the freeway, can perceive all three cars simultaneously, which means your past, present, and future.
It can also communicate with these cars because it has a C D and all these three cars have C D's.
And what's interesting is that when you go into an alpha level, natural hypnosis, which is really a natural state that we go through through three to four hours of our waking day, every time you daydream, every time you watch television, read a book.
Driving in a car, by the way, 25% of the time, it's documented you're in alpha or hypnosis.
When you go into your REM cycle, the dream levels at night, which as you'll see is when basically all the therapeutic or the therapy actually occurs, that's another three hours a night.
So you're spending about six to seven hours a day in a 24-hour day or 2,500 hours a year for every year of your life going through natural hypnosis, which is why it doesn't feel particularly unusual.
Well, time is only a concept that, of course, it's a label, just like you label anything else.
But what I'm saying here is that, using the concept of quantum physics and what I just described, when you enter into a hypnotic level, you actually are doing automatically an out-of-body experience.
You don't have to go to the corner of the room and observe and watch the silver cord.
You actually are leaving your body every time you enter a daydream level.
When you leave the body, you are now entering what I call the freeway of life here, and you are really now being the helicopter rather than the car, and therefore you are now able to go either back or forward in time.
And since our thoughts, and this is where physics and mathematics really go together very well, since our thoughts go faster than the speed of light, we call that in physics a tachyon.
Going faster than the speed of light means that you're going in reverse time sequence.
So mathematics and physics, a conventional, not just quantum physics, but even conventional physics has proven that we can actually be a time machine and go back and forward in time.
So therefore, all our past and future and present and future lives are occurring right now.
We just label it for our own convenience, but we are not really asterisk.
We are on the Earth plane, but not when you leave the Earth plane.
And therefore, using hypnosis, what you're doing is an out-of-body experience, which means you're now leaving the Earth plane, entering into either the astral plane or anywhere up to the soul plane, and able to perceive your past, present, and future.
This is something that is going to both disappoint and thrill some of your listeners.
You can pray, you can go through all kinds of mentalities and rituals all you want to.
You will never contact God by doing that because God has no conception to the lower five planes or the karmic cycle.
What God is, is not a mathematical constant.
It's actually the energy that we have a remnant of.
Our superconscious mind, which is a clinical term, and it's actually provable, by the way.
They're demonstrable.
Our superconscious mind or what your listeners would be known in the literature as the higher self is actually a remnant of the God energy.
The only time you ever go to meet the God energy is when you are perfect, when you ascend into the higher planes and go to either whatever you believe in, whether it be the 13th plane, the all-that-is, nameless plane, there's all kinds of names for it, that they're all man-made, if you will.
But yet there is a God.
God is energy, and energy is the basis of the universe.
The Big Bang theory, which I, by the way, buy as a concept until proven otherwise, says that the universe began as a pencil point full of energy that exploded.
It was energy, not matter, that preceded it.
In fact, the basis of the universe is energy, nothing else.
So the God energy is nothing but a perfect form of that energy, of which we have a remnant of, and therefore, yes, there is hope and salvation.
And not only that, but I've done progressions.
I developed the field of progression hypnotherapy in 1977 when I asked the patient to go to the origin of a problem, and she decided to go into the 23rd century rather than back in time, as I suspected she would.
And I've taken patients as far forward as the 36th century.
And that is documented in past life visualized.
And so, yes, there is going to be quite a future for us for human forms and different climates.
Well, now, see, interestingly, the answer is yes, but no.
I am not going to prophesize about anything because what I tried to demonstrate more so in the search for grace now rather than pass by future life, because I didn't really have that much time to do it there, is that there are not just one future, but there are parallel universes out there.
So to make it simple, even though there's an infinite number of parallel dimensions, which was, by the way, demonstrated in Princeton University in 1957 by a man named Hugh Ebert III, who received his Ph.D. in quantum mechanics, which is the actual technical name of quantum physics, in Princeton, and Princeton is not exactly a matchbook university.
It was mapped out by Martin Kruskal, his supervisor, during the next few years.
But we've demonstrated parallel universes for 37 years.
Now, what this shows is that, let's say, to keep it simple, from the experience of doing 17 years, you and I and everybody out there have at least five major groupings of different futures.
We call them frequencies.
Let's say frequencies one through five.
And let's say that you are on frequency one right now, but your best frequency is number four.
If you were then to perceive all five frequencies, which is what I do in my Los Angeles office, and by the way, your listeners can do that via tape, which I'll talk about later, then you can switch tracks and go to number four.
So if I were to give you some scenario and say, well, you know, in 1999, this is going to happen, that will happen on a certain frequency, but not necessarily the one in which you are on.
Most of the people that I have known and I have checked out, I feel like the reincarnation of Houdini half the time.
But most of the psychics and channelers and mediums that I've checked out, especially in Southern California, have, shall we say, not weathered well with the test.
And they have tried to become very, well, this is the future.
I see it, and that's it, and everything, and they don't really get it.
So I'm glad to see that at another end of the spectrum.
But yes, there's always what we call a plastic future, which I described in the back of The Search for Grace in Appendix A. And what I'm saying here is that, and this is not me, but the quantum physicists saying that there are altars.
So therefore, somebody who wants to give a prophecy, which is when you see shows like Recently Encounters on Fox and The Ancient Prophets in NBC, when they showed about how the world's going to end or you're going to have major catastrophes in the next five years, it's absolute garbage.
It's quoted by Casey and the Bible and most Shadamas, and they're welcome to their opinion, and that's a parallel frequency, but it's not the one that I'm on, folks.
And if you're on my frequency, you're going to be able to live in California without swimming.
Oh, yes, as a matter of fact, ghost photography was actually developed by such people as Hans Holzer about 30 years ago, and I've known some people in the East Coast who do that.
There's also something called electronic voice phenomena, where you can have a regular tape recorder and go by a cemetery or even an older house that's been around, say, for 50, 60 years, and you can actually get voices of people of ghosts or poster guys that are actually living in that house.
So this is a phenomenon that's very well documented.
And in fact, I've seen some of the photos, I know Hans House, I've seen some of the photos myself, and yes, they will raise the hair in the back of your neck.
And what's even more significant are the apparitions that are perceived.
There's a woman who died in Chicago by this cemetery or by this large gated house, and she appears every so often the next number of years.
There are many stories of that, many well-documented also that have been documented by TV cameras as well as by Polaroid films, which you can't fudge real well if you know the UFO literature.
Because you see, this is, I'll tell you why I asked that, because a poltergeist or someone who's recently crossed into spirit will usually communicate only with one member of the family.
They may communicate with others, but they usually pick the person they feel closest to to relay their last messages or their advice or the presence that they are going on to a bigger place.
And obviously he chose you rather than your mother.
People, you know, one of the things I deal with in my Los Angeles office are bereavement issues.
A lot of my patients are middle-aged people who have teenage sons or daughters who either were killed or murdered or died by accident or parents or loved ones, grandparents, and they can't get over the bereavement, which has depression and many of the characteristics.
Not only can they do that by accessing them in their superconscious level, but they can also perceive future lives with them so that they...
Well, it's not quite.
You have more than one phone call, and I wouldn't like to consider a jail, which is a confinement.
It's sort of like a place, and it's not a purgatory either.
But your listeners out there, unfortunately, they've been brainwashed to think of it in forms of that, and that's what I'm trying to clear up.
It's really a very open place where whatever you're dying from, if you're suffering from a disease, illness, pain, you are totally free from it.
It's a very ethereal, beautiful, like a library in the sky, if you will.
But the communication, you'll find that these communications that people receive from these spirits, if you will, or poltergeists, are really quite positive and very beautiful.
They're not like desperate.
Sometimes there is a difficulty in a traumatic death which has to be worked out.
And one of the techniques which I'd like you to deal with more here is the idea of what we call a super conscious mind level, where the patient is trained to access their own higher self.
Not only can they perceive their own past and future lives, but they can also access departed loved ones.
They can access their own guise and be instructed as to how they can help empower themselves and to go on to their life and to accomplish goals and do many other things, as well as seeing future events.
You can't fool Mother Nature as the old Imperial commercial is.
Basically, there's something called forbidden knowledge, which I know a lot of my colleagues don't like me to talk about because they don't seem to have this experience or they're afraid of it.
But forbidden knowledge means that at a certain moment in time, if you're not supposed to know something, you don't.
There's no way I can or the patient can, by accessing their higher self, receive information that's supervised by their own higher self, which is a perfect part of them and can't make a mistake on its worst day.
There's no way they'll get something unless they're ready to receive it.
Most of the time, they don't get the information they want because they're not ready for it.
Any information you think you're going to have, any kind of negative entity, there's no possession possibilities.
The only thing you can do is benefit and grow from it and empower yourself and overcome the number one fear that people have, which is resolved by this therapy, which is xenophobia or the fear of death.
Okay, well, basically, the reason I mentioned that is because there was a scene at the very end, which is really what you're describing.
What you did was an out-of-body experience.
What you did was you were, while you were looking at this eclipse of the moon, you actually were entering into it and were in an alpha level, an actual daydream, which you go through through, as I mentioned, six to seven hours every day.
You did something different, though.
What you did was, and the moon is important too because the moon has a very strange effect upon us here.
This was one where you were actually doing some plane traveling.
You probably were in a different dimension.
You either could have gone to the astral, mental, causal, or aetheric plane, and therefore you weren't just doing an out-of-body experience on the earth plane.
unidentified
Eyes opened up, they had a scalpel over me ready to cut open my chest and do open heart.
You see, now what you were doing then, let me just interrupt you, and this is beautiful because, you see, everybody's experience is personalized to whatever you expect.
If you expect a cylinder, you get a cylinder.
But what these cylinders represent are the parallel frequencies of your future options.
unidentified
You see?
Yeah, well, that's the time thing.
See, I was aware of all things being forward and backwards was all the same.
Time was time.
I mean, kind of like in the song Amazing Grace, When You've Live 10,000 Years, you have as many days as when you first began.
That was a very overwhelming feeling.
And Art, you know, when he was explaining to you about the helicopter and trying to give you a perspective on that before and after, my perception of that and how I've tried to explain it to people since is if you were sitting in the middle of your bed or a vastness somewhere and you stacked all the books that you've ever read and all the books that you will ever read around you and you could experience each one of those books completely as though the day you were reading them and you could appreciate them all at one time but
that whole experience was just the ability to read.
Instead of using letters in a book, if you put that as energy itself and just absorbing the energy just like you would feel the rays of the sun, then you really get into the concept of a space-time continuum.
unidentified
Yeah, that was just my simplest way to explain it to people because I haven't told too many people because they think I'm a little screwy.
I have something else to bring up, too, just to show you where people are coming from, because what you're describing is something that really is attainable.
What I do, when I work with my patients in Los Angeles, what I do is I give them self-hypnotic tapes so they can go into both past lives, future lives, super conscious mind taps.
They can go to the soul plane area to go in between the life to see how they choose their next life to access their higher self.
These are things that are attainable by the average person, even without seeing someone like myself.
So this is a very natural experience.
And it's something that they don't have to just be a specifically chosen person to do.
And by the way, if you have a copy of the book in front of you, you'll notice there's two eyes looking at this woman from the early 1900s who's supposed to symbolize grace.
Those eyes are my baby blues from an old newspaper photo.
No, I practiced dentistry in Baltimore for 13 years, and I moved out to Los Angeles in the early part of 1989, so I never practiced dentistry out here.
unidentified
That was a wonderful Dr. Goldberg.
You gave me a root canal without anesthesia, and we are without anything.
Well, it wasn't me nor a relative of mine, but I'll tell you one thing.
When I did dentistry for 13 years, I would use hypnosis on the majority of my patients.
That was one of my reputation.
But about 25% of the people that I work with in my practice then could go through root canals or surgery, fillings, any kind of procedure, and not have any form of local anesthesia behind it.
Well, I'm retired now at a very young age, but did you have a question, sir, though, about your experience?
unidentified
Well, no, I just wanted to, I was hoping it was the same Dr. Goldberg.
We had no hypnosis either.
But I would like you to know, as you probably know, that to, along with a different time span and all the experience, to know one woman well is to know all women.
Jennifer, basically, you are, when you're on the astral plane, you have what's called a silver cord.
And there is no danger of you really dying.
People in near-death experiences, the only time they actually die is, of course, when they, medical, for medical reasons, will expire.
But when you're having a near-death experience naturally without being, as a result of a heart attack or something medical, you are perfectly safe.
In fact, if you do it via tapes like the tapes I was talking about, there's always a white light protection on those tapes to help you to, just in case, to give you additional protection, if you will, just so that the experience is as pleasant as possible.
There's never any danger.
If anything, the only danger in life is not going through these experiences because then you deny yourself the access of your higher self.
You're perfectly safe.
And like I say, the out-of-body experience tape is a very complicated one in the sense that you don't just play it once and all of a sudden, you know, go to Cleveland.
But it takes a little bit of conditioning, but it's a very beautiful experience and it's one that, like I say, anyone can do.
And have you had some experiences that have you had out-of-body experience that you can recall, Jennifer, that you're referring to?
unidentified
No, no.
Well, actually, there was one experience, and I don't know if you would call it an astral thing, but I did have one experience where I was doing some pretty heavy thinking about nature and the earth, and I felt, you know, I had my eyes closed, and I felt like I had just zoomed away from the earth and saw everything in kind of a different way.
Doctor, I want to ask you, you know, I asked him at the time, did it scare you?
And, you know, there are people who have been scared to death.
I mean, if you've got a heart condition or something, and suddenly, like that man who called, your head pops into another dimension, it seems to me it could almost scare you to death.
The proof of that is the fact that the near-death experience, the people who are being resuscitated from a cardiovascular episode, a myocardial infarction or others, they're the ones that come back.
Yeah, curling photography developed by a Russian uh uh physicist in Curling in the early 40s.
unidentified
They photographed, they uh photographed the aura, right?
Right, right.
I was wondering if the test was ever made on a person that was dying, and if they did photograph that, if the aura faded into the body, or did it gather into a mass and rise above the body?
The problem is that I don't know of any technology where they've had video cameras of curlions.
It's always still photos.
And I don't know of any research of that being done.
The only thing I know that's close to that is what I mentioned earlier, the McDougal research, where they weighed the body right when it was expiring, and there was a three-quarter of an ounce difference.
Obviously, I understand where he kept the concept of demon, especially when he describes black eyes.
However, what it looks like is one of two things.
It could have been simply an energy manifestation of, remember, your mind creates your reality, so you can create anything you want.
Second, if it's assuming this wasn't a dream or hallucination, which doesn't seem to sound like it, the other thing it could be is it could be one of their own guides could be trying to communicate with them.
You'll notice there was nothing threatening or physically negative done by this entity.
Do people perceive, I guess, as a result of their environmental conditioning, they might perceive it to be a demon or an angel or any number of things?
I mean, see, to me, I don't even, like, for example, like, the concept of angels is another one I have a problem with in the sense that I'm not saying there aren't spirit entities that are what you would call angels, but I wouldn't call them angels.
I would call them masters or guides or a representation of your own superconscious.
I've never myself had a patient describe a winged entity with a chubby little cheek floating around.
But they do describe entities that are of energy forms, that are astral bodies, or things that are even beyond that.
And so therefore, again, we can call them angels just like we can call past, present, and future isolated and think that's a reality.
But, you know, it's just a matter of there's a lot of things out in the universe energy-wise that we don't label and aren't trained with in our normal educational aspect that we can also call different things.
I'd like to tell Dr. Goldberg an experience I had in 1976.
Sure.
I was in Bisbee, Arizona, and this was late at night, around 11 o'clock, and I was on my way home.
I was living in a teepee up in Zacadakis Canyon right there.
And I looked up at the sky and noticed this, it was a half moon, and there was a mass of clouds blowing from the west towards the east, but it wouldn't pass the moon.
And I thought that was quite unusual.
So I kept staring at it, figuring something else was going to happen.
And sure enough, one cloud man burst across the moon, leaving these Gothamer trails behind.
And then two more followed that.
And I looked back into the cloud mass, and there was cookie-cutter shaped in the cloud mass.
And these three running cloud men, which I call them, just went across the moon and over to the east.
And I was wondering if that had any special significance.
From an area just adjacent to Area 51, the high desert.
This is Dreamland.
I'm Art Bell.
And in a moment, I've got a facts here for Dr. Goldberg that I find fascinating, and I bet he will too.
And we'll get back to him in just a moment.
Do you have hard water?
And now, the facts that I wanted to read to Dr. Goldberg.
Although I have been a meditator for over 30 years, I still have not been able to figure out this recurring enigma.
Perhaps you can shed some light on it for me.
Before I go to sleep, my body stays on the bed and I go through my third eye and start shooting out into space where I'm traveling through millions of stars.
I come to a clearing where it is light, where there is some sort of huge, crystalline appearing structure.
I go inside the structure and there are many of what I'll call high beings in there.
It's like a meeting of some kind.
I am then outside the structure, don't remember what went on inside, although I know I've been inside.
Well, Diane, in the San Diego area, listen on Cogo.
You have just described my entire practice and life's work.
What you've done is the third eye area is actually an energy chakra.
And what you've done is gone through that into an out-of-body experience.
What you're doing is traveling, what used to be called astral projection or remote viewing now.
And then you've done a superconscious mind tap where you're accessing your own higher self.
Then she's gone to the soul plane where you choose in between lives.
These higher beings she's referring to are actually her masters and guides.
What she's getting is forbidden knowledge, which is why she can't remember it now.
And when she comes back into the body, she's perfectly safe, of course, but doesn't remember what she's not supposed to remember.
But eventually she will get that data when she is ready for it.
I mean, this is beautiful.
I hope that you're listening to this, and I hope you give me a call sometime because I'd love to speak to you in person.
This is a fantastic experience.
And by the way, you can actually get this experience a lot easier, and you can actually get to a level where you can raise your energy so that you can recall this knowledge and information by using techniques like the out-of-body experience and solar plane ascension.
So using the tapes would also help you to facilitate that.
But that is absolutely beautiful and a complete summary and synopsis of everything I represent.
Actually, animal psi, as we call it, is in the research, goes back to Duke University for about 50 years or so.
Animals have souls.
The problem with that concept or the difficulty with that old Eastern concept is that animals do not, I repeat, do not reincarnate as humans.
I have never in 30,000 past life regressions ever regressed a gopher or anybody to a head of letters.
So everybody, when you're human, you stay human.
But animals do have their own souls.
In fact, I've regressed people who have been or seen or contacted their departed animal, cat or dog or others, that have been, in fact, in the process of reincarnating and can perceive some of their past lives.
Well, technically, if you read Past Lives, Future Lives, you'll see that all the, when I regress people to the original, the first life on the Earth plane, they usually describe themselves as what we call light people, which are extraterrestrial in origin.
Therefore, technically, all of our souls and all of our basic makeup really has an extraterrestrial base to it.
Well, basically, if he had the premonition of it, I mean, that's a progression.
That's what people do with, they can be trained to do.
In my office, when I work with my patients, when they perceive their future, they can perceive actual choices and select it.
If he perceived that and he decided that that was his fate, remember, you choose your death, he could have also perceived himself to be on a different parallel frequency where he has not died.
Just because he got hit by lightning and died in this life, and I'm not trying to negate that or to dilute that, it's a serious event, but karmically it isn't because he's living now on other parallel frequencies where maybe he is manifesting his true karmic purpose.
Karmically, it's your time to go, it's your time to go, but remember, you only die on one or more parallel universes.
There are others right now where he is still alive in his current life.
it's a different dimension.
Just like if you're listening to the radio, and of course you don't do this when you're listening to art, but if you were to change the dial, you'd get a different sound coming in without moving the box just by changing the dial.
When people say that to you, you're spaced out, it's ridiculous.
How do you respond?
I mean, after listening to all of this, if he is not convinced or at least curious and still regards it as spaced out comic book stuff, what do you say to somebody?
Or even better, maybe if he sees the light, he'll be a little bit more, shall we say, attuned in this life, and maybe kind of like open up a little bit more.
Yes, I'm having a good time listening to the show tonight.
I had attended one of Dr. Goldberg's seminars at the Whole Life Expo in Los Angeles a couple of years ago, and he took the group through a past life as well as a future life progression.
And I didn't remember too much about the past life, but the future life progression had a profound effect on me.
And just the information coming through was very clear, dates.
And he asked us to get the date and to get our names and the situation that was occurring.
And the emotional impact, what it brought up applied to the situation that I was in in my present lifetime.
If you're perceiving a future life, then what you're focusing in on is really that future life.
And yes, you can raise your spirit.
What you will manifest in this life will be a spiritual uplifting, but you won't necessarily know where you are because you're now focusing in on the future life, not the future of this life, you see?
Right, right.
But basically, the techniques that you learned there can be applied also if you want to specify to the current life by using, I don't know if you got one of the age progression tapes or the future life progression tapes.
Okay, because the progression tape will actually guide you into the future of this life or it's your choice the future life and you can then actually lay out the future of this life not just having to be patient and wait for 100 or 200 years from now to perceive the future.
unidentified
Actually, it was about 1,200 years in the future.
Really?
Well, you're getting close to sequester, if you know what I mean.
Well, basically, I do the learning annex class, and I do occasionally, I go out, I do those, but most of the time I don't, because most of my time is spent with my full-time practice here in Los Angeles.
I don't really do that much public speaking.
I'm asked to do a lot, but I usually don't do that much.
But occasionally I will if the spirit moves me and with people like you and your attitude, that usually gets me to be moved a lot more than most.
And we call that the genetic lineage theory, but let me tell you the problem here.
The problem with the genetic lineage theory is that, number one, Ivy, who has Graced O'Es in a past life, and this was documented by CBS, was not in any way related genetically to Graced O's.
In fact, about less than one half of 1% of any of the regression I've ever done, has anybody ever stayed in the same family?
But more importantly, from my undergraduate background in biochemistry, the chromosome or DNA dies or becomes dust when the physical body, there's no way the DNA can reincarnate because it actually, it's like having a cell die.
This is actually deoxyrebonuclear nucleic acid, but it's actually, it's impossible for the chromosomes to survive death.
What the message is, really, what's surviving, though, is the energy.
See, that's where the soul comes in.
The soul is like the DNA, only the soul isn't DNA.
The soul is electromagnetic radiation.
Again, unless you're hung up on the term DNA, it's not DNA, it's the soul energy that survives.
That carries the messages, message, as does the DNA in the physical body when you go through fertilization and recreation of a species.
But to understand, almost all of the regressions that I've ever done, I mean, 99.5%, have been of people of different family lines, which would destroy completely the concept of any genetics.
On the toll-free line, you're on the air with Dr. Goldberg.
Hi.
unidentified
Yes.
Dr. Goldberg?
Yes.
If you are to be reincarnated, how come abortion is considered such a big issue in this country if you're just simply going to be reborn somewhere else?
It's a big because it's an issue, as is gun control, as is everything else in the world I can think of.
It's simply an issue that has been based upon society's mentality.
Religion has a lot to do with it.
there is a correlation between this country's belief, which is only 40% of reincarnation, and the theological systems, which do not like to believe in reincarnation, even though it's a part of all religions, because it conflicts with the self-interest of if you believe in reincarnation, what do you need the church for?
So it's going to be a political issue, or it has nothing to do with the reality of the universe's function.
If you, let's say that you're about to reincarnate, you've already chosen a body, but now, of course, you would know this in the higher planes, which is why it's a little bit of a mood argument.
But let's say that, for example, that you chose a body and your mother decides to have an abortion three or four months in the terms.
So then, in a lot of ways, if you're trying to give an explanation from your point of view with regard to the legal dilemma on abortion, abortion wouldn't karmically be that great crime that a lot of people from any karmic perspective.
What's a crime is when people limit themselves and don't empower themselves or become codependent or become nothing but a follower rather than a leader.
That is a karmic crime because the purpose of being on the earth plane is to raise the energy of the soul to perfection, period.
Spiritual growth is it.
It's not accumulating torches.
It's not accumulating stocks and bonds or becoming president of a corporation.
It's to grow spiritually.
And the only way I know to grow spiritually is to associate with a higher energy, which is your super conscious, and to be able to be empowered in all aspects of your life.
And that is everything we describe when it comes to labels or philosophies or debates or controversial issues.
Those are not empowerment issues.
Those are issues of societal mentalities of trying to be controlled or to control others.
And that purpose of spiritual growth is simply to be empowered.
Well, basically, they've gone because they've either solved, they've accomplished their mission, okay, and they've either gone to, they've ascended, perhaps, or they simply just decide to they no longer need to be around that place.
It maybe has nothing to do with you.
unidentified
Well, someone from the church was here, high up in the church, and he was talking to me.
He didn't know about this.
Out of nowhere, he said, you have spirits in your house.
The comment I'd like to make is, again, thanks for the show Friday Night with John Lear.
That was the most intense show you've ever done.
And it seems to fall in line with a lot of what Dr. Goldberg's talking about, the soul being a universal thing that just carried simply by housed by people, whatever, extraterrestrials.
And by the way, John Lear is also an engineer, so it's nice to have scientists comment on this rather than some of the people that tend to comment on this too.
unidentified
Right.
I totally respect John Lear.
And hearing him talk, I think I believe, I may be one of the minority, but I believe totally that he seems to, he knows something that the rest of us don't know, but although I know that a lot of people think he's a total quack.
What I would suggest you do is call 1-800-527-6248 and let me, my office will be open tomorrow.
You can give me your full name and address, and I'll be happy to send you a list of the tapes.
The one that you're looking for is the out-of-body experience tape.
This is a self-hypnotic tape that you and your girlfriend can use together or separately, and it will train you, it will give you all the techniques to lift out, have a very safe trip, and come back to the body perfectly at ease with memories of what you've experienced.
And what we call now, we call this actually remote viewing, but it's a very simple technique.
I mean, it takes a little conditioning, but it's something that is perfectly safe, and you can do it by tape very simply.
On the toll-free line, you're on the air with Dr. Goldberg.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi.
Calling from Gilroy, California.
sir i've done some research on the um the theory about the druids and the kundalini uh which is a druid uh belief of uh uh an anti-matter body that uh It's not a Druid approach.
goes back to the ancient Indians, I mean, we're talking like India Indians, many, many, many, like, you know about Anyway, what I was calling about is that they built, they, that as they conquered the Chankras, they built up a solar body that was sort of depicted in the second volume of Martian Chronicles.
The books are Past Lies, Future Lives, which is a Valentine book and is readily available and has been for six years.
The new book, The Search for Grace, is published by In Print Publishing.
If you can't get it yet at your local bookstores or malls, you can get it through my office and you can get autographed copies as well as a listing of the various tapes that are involved.
So you're Southern California people.
I will be in Marina Del Rey on Saturday, October 1st, and I'll be in November 13th at the Hope Expo at the LA Hilton.