Linda Moulton Howe’s Glimpses of Other Realities presents 300 images—161 in color—of unexplained animal mutilations, crop circles, and abductions, priced at $39.95, with 50 copies given away via the Bigelow Foundation. Mike Lindemann argues governments suppress UFO truths since 1947’s Roswell, using the CIA’s 1953 Robertson Panel to orchestrate debunking via media and educators, fearing genetic ties to aliens could trigger religious upheaval. Full disclosure risks chaos but is essential to rebuild trust, as societal collapse looms unless handled with transparency and credible voices like Howe’s guide humanity through this paradigm shift. [Automatically generated summary]
Ron Russell is a very talented man in Denver, Colorado, and he has spent his life dealing with what I consider, and I think he does too, other realities in an art form where he uses some specific kind of pigment that I don't really understand, but you have to put them in glass, or they're on glass, and they are lighted from behind.
And a year and a half ago, he gave me a transparency of one of his artworks, and he says, Linda, I want to give this to you to use in whatever way you want.
And when I started working on this book, September 1 of 1992, his artwork just kept ringing in my head.
And I think, in terms of glimpses of other realities, that he had created something that was just almost destined for the cover of this book.
Well, part of my own frustration of the last 14 years was trying to understand, starting with the physical bodies of animals that we've discussed on Area 2000 over the last few months, where there was this mystery of no blood, no tracks, all of the odd anomalies associated with animals.
When I began that and was doing it purely from a journalist's point of view, of focusing on what is this and what could be doing it and is there an environmental contamination and all those sort of practical questions that any journalist is confronted with.
And then finding myself being led from that to the abductions.
What the abductions gave insights back to the mutilation.
That leading to the whole idea that there might be more than one kind of an intelligence that's interacting with our planet.
What would that intelligence be?
What might it look like?
And all of the various drawings across the United States, Canada, and other parts of the world, where people are drawing very similar types, not all the same, that reinforces the idea that maybe that there is either one or more intelligences interacting with our planet,
or there might be one, but that it has a variety of tasks and is capable of making different types of biological, we'll call them androids or some kind of worker bees to do various tasks on this planet, designed perhaps for different kinds of physical tasks.
Well, and even more so, I think now it's 14 years later, and after a while, it's just like anything.
You began to get more distance on it, and it gives you a little wider perspective.
I certainly don't have the answers to the major questions of who, what, or why.
But what I am trying to do is to put into a cover a kind of distillation, a synthesis of the patterns.
The patterns are there if you start looking at them.
And what I've tried to do with there are 300 images in this book.
161 are in color.
And after a while, when you look at all of those images and as the pages evolve, I think that it would be hard to come away from this book without at least saying there must be something more to all of these phenomena just because the patterns themselves that are across the country, Canada, other countries of the world, something must be going on that we are missing as a species.
In other words, that by the time you've gone through it, you've examined the evidence, lots of pictures, would you come to the conclusion that indeed there is something more?
Well, the people so far that have looked at the book have said one similar thing to me, and this was basically in the final stages where you send a book out to people who know maybe something and some who don't, and you get feedback before it's in this finished form.
And I think the consistent feedback to me was we've never seen this much data in these pages compressed before.
Now, that's part of also the motive for doing this, is that because of this unique position I found myself in as a journalist who sort of stumbled into other phenomena I did not know was there through these animals, that I myself kept feeling a frustration as a journalist that even my colleagues would say, there's nothing to any of this.
Why are you pursuing it?
And I would say, but have you looked at the laboratory reports?
Have you talked with scientists and medical people who are studying some of these phenomena, even if they're not doing it publicly?
And that's the one thing I've been trying to contribute, is there are scientific investigations, whether it's in the crop circles or the animal mutilations or the human abductions.
There are scientists who are intrigued.
They are doing very valuable studies, even if you don't know who they are.
And then I'm the journalist who I'm bringing back these patterns of discoveries, or at least trying to, and saying there is a pattern to phenomena here, and we should at least try to look at it in its bigger context.
That's the one thing glimpses of other realities I hope it is doing.
It's giving a larger picture of what many times in the past has been reported as an isolated story, an animal mutilation in Duluth, Minnesota.
But what people didn't know was that the same year there were mutilations in 23 states.
Well, yes, and I want you to announce the surprise, but so that people will also understand that with the crop circles is the first presentation ever of the work of the biophysicist Dr. Levingood, who we've had on Area 2000 and the work that he has done, in which he concludes that there are fundamental changes in the biophysical and biochemical structure of the plants that cannot be hoaxed.
You can't change the molecular structure of a plant simply by walking on it.
On one aspect of the changes, and that has to do with the cell pits.
He knows that some kind of an energy has to be affecting the plants, or he couldn't have molecular structure changes in what was called the BRAC tissue.
This is very delicate tissue that encases the bottom of seeds, like a weed or rye or something.
And because he has worked with seeds all of his life, it's that particular part of the plant that he has been concentrating on.
He's done work on the stems, too.
But this tissue that shows that there is some kind of a fundamental change at a level that no one walking on it could affect is one of the most intriguing parts of the investigation right now.
They can order it from Linda Howell Productions, Post Office Box 538, in Huntingdon Valley, Pennsylvania, zip code 19006, the address I've given out, or you can go into any local bookstore and simply ask them to order glimpses of other realities, and they can get it just as well that way.
It may take a little longer than Linda Howe Productions in Huntingdon Valley, but every bookstore in the United States has the ability to have glimpses of other realities, and several bookstores already are carrying it, like the tattered cover in Denver and Oxford and Atlanta.
So it's just a question of going into the bookstore and telling them to order glimpses of other realities.
And I will welcome everybody's feedback, and I will try to answer the letters personally.
And that this Earth and what we perceive to be this universe might be 91.3 on the dial.
But that 104.5 is just a tune of the dial over.
The quantum physicists for at least 12 years, 15 years, quantum physicists mathematically have been saying that if they go into the atomic structure of, let's say, a linear accelerator and what it is that they keep discovering there, that it forces them to begin to conclude that there have to be other dimensions even if we can't articulate them, draw them, photograph them, or touch them.
There's something about a mathematical structure that the universe itself seems to be forcing us to see.
And this also is one of the underlying themes of the book, Glimpses of Other Realities.
But what if the whole phenomena of ghosts and poltergeist could be like sometimes we're listening to a radio station and another station suddenly is phasing into that station because we're in the stronger field of that particular broadcast for just a certain period of time on the road and then it goes out again.
Well, it's possible that ghosts are a reality, that poltergeist activity and various other things that people have seen over eons and have reported and other people have said, well, it must be in the realm of hallucination or it gets put into mythology.
What if, in this next century, what we're going to begin to find is that these other radio stations have their own distinct reality, just like the one we're living in.
that maybe there are other intelligences and other radio stations that know how to get into ours.
But right now, we don't know how to get into that.
If there were other dimensions, or are other dimensions, and we're getting glimpses and we wanted more, what path of investigation would we most effectively follow, do you suppose?
Bob Bigelow of the Bigelow Foundation and I, tonight, you were talking about the whole, I guess you might say, challenging area of remote viewing, which has been kicked around.
And I know the government has used it, and other people are experimenting with it in terms of accessing things that are at a great distance.
Well, I have seen one of the famous remote viewers named Ingo Swan show me his own remote viewing work in New York last year.
And what you begin to realize is that it is, as he's tried to explain it, you're given a coordinate, a latitude, a longitude.
That's all the remote viewer usually has.
Sometimes it may be a concealed photograph, but usually it's a coordinate.
And it has something to do with the way that let's assume, and I'm not sure that anybody fully understands how this works, but let's say that the planet has an electromagnetic grid to it.
We may not be able to see it, but we might measure it, and that our brains are also acting on an electrical field, and there are measurable fields.
There are some electromagnetic fields around the brain.
It may be that some people have an ability to interface their electrical brain field and this electromagnetic field of the planet in such a way that with a coordinate, for some reason, they can go to that place and they will get, and these again are impulses.
They are not visions, but they become, as he said, you go to the impulses before imagination, or you go to the impulses of thought that you get, like a quick intuitive flash, and they draw.
And why I answered with this is you were asking, how might we access, let's say, another radio station that wasn't in this dimensional reality if we didn't have the technology to get there?
Well, it's a receiving stimulus of some sort, and I really, because I'm not a remote viewer, and I'm not, you know, when you try to describe something you haven't experienced, it's difficult.
I can only report what another remote viewer has said to me.
But the whole idea of how do you access that which is in the unseen?
Well, that's what's how remote viewing began in the Defense Department.
Out there when Bloom in New York did the book talking about the Army intelligence people in the Pentagon who were trying to use remote viewing to access Soviet submarines.
That is now a story that has been reported, and apparently there was, for a period of time, our government was trying to access things under the sea using remote viewing, and in some cases were quite accurate.
And this gets into this issue that even if we could remote view, let's say, another dimensional reality, it still could be argued that it was still a subjective interpretation on a piece of paper till we got there.
But it may be that in the next 50 years that what we're going to see is what more serious consideration of how the mind might be able to interface with other realities.
Clearly, our intelligence agencies have used and experimented with a whole variety of mind over matter techniques that's been documented since the 50s in a variety of books.
How that will relate to our investigating, we'll call it the unseen or other realities or even other planets in this universe, I don't know, but it is one possible technique without having to go there physically in some kind of a craft.
I know that they're exploring a number of areas of research, but this is just one of those provocative subjects that it comes up because it seems to be one of those areas right now where people are experimenting.
I have a man who came to me three months ago, wanted me to participate in a program he's doing with remote viewers in which he wanted me to supply whatever I wanted to from the phenomena, for example, just in glimpses of other realities, whether it was crop circles, animals, or something else.
So I now have some photographs that no one knows but me what they are unless they violated and opened up the sealed envelopes.
And I'm going to get a report back from remote viewers on what they interpret.
So I think what this is coming down to is that at the end of this century right now and glimpses of other realities is just one indication that we are definitely living on a planet in a universe that seems to be more complicated and has parts to it that we have not been able as a society, a global society, to discuss in a kind of open way that the universe may be different than we were taught.
And I think we're in a revolution.
We're not alone.
There are other dimensions.
Quantum physicists are saying that.
And the next century, who knows, we may actually access some other dimensional reality.
I don't know if they'll come to the same conclusions, but they will certainly be seeing as Volume 1.
It's one of a Volume 2 set.
And I'm subtitling this: Facts and Eyewitnesses.
In this volume, everything in it is first-hand testimony, photographs, scientific investigations, lab reports, documents, but it builds up over, I think, the chapters to at least a point of view that maybe even our most ancient past is somehow very relevant to what's happening today.
Yeah, I am grateful that the Bigelow Foundation is there and that they can do this because I would welcome feedback from those 50 people who get this book.
And I thought I would share an excerpt from the Denver Post Thursday, January 27th, just three days ago.
It is a large headline in the front section, and it says, mystery heat source sparks wonder.
Lights in the sky, strange helicopters puzzle San Luis Valley.
It's like shades of 1967 all over again when that horse was found stripped of flesh.
People were reporting UFOs.
There were all kinds of things going on in the San Luis Valley.
Well, it's happening again.
This particular newspaper story written by Brad Smith for the Denver Post starts out, a series of sightings of unidentified helicopters, mysterious flares, and falling green orbs of light in the night over the San Luis Valley has some Valley residents wondering what is going on.
Military authorities say they can't provide any answers to the mystery, but the chief investigator for the Rio Grande County Sheriff's Office speculated that a cruise missile might have crashed and the wreckage was secretly removed.
This is where sheriff's offices think when they're dealing with the strange, the unexpected, and possibly something from outer space.
It all began January 12th when a satellite linked to the North American Aerospace Defense Command in Colorado Springs picked up an intense heat source emanating from the San Luis Valley.
Such sightings were reported to the sheriff, and they went out to investigate, and they reported back that they could not find anything.
Quote, from what NORAD told us, the satellite would not have noticed anything that was not bigger than a three-acre fire.
So whatever it was had to be larger than three acres, and they found nothing.
At the same time that the sheriffs were out looking for this large, gigantic fire or explosion, a woman driving out of Monta Vista at 6.25 in the evening on January 13th reported seeing, and this is her quote, a soft green light that looked like a soft ball falling out of the sky in the same area.
Her report was confirmed by another man who said the green ball appeared to hit the earth in the Rock Creek area, which is south of Monta Vista.
On January 16th, the man who saw the green ball of light said that he saw three B-52 bombers flying high above that area.
The three planes dived toward the Rock Creek site, flew over a low mountain called Greeney, and flew away.
The next night, the sheriff's office got calls from three different people who said they saw a blue flare in the Rock Creek area.
Four deputies in four-wheel-drive vehicles went to the area but could not find anything.
At night on January 18th, Sheriff's Deputy Mike James was patrolling in the Rock Creek area and saw three helicopters flying about 100 yards apart.
Because of the darkness, the deputy was unable to identify any of the helicopters.
The following night, an anonymous caller who said he lived south of Mona Vista told the sheriff's office he heard two large explosions coming from Rock Creek.
And the last report came January 21 when a resident of the Rock Creek area called the Sheriff's Office to report seeing a black helicopter flying overhead.
The resident did not see any markings and it was gone by the time the deputy got there.
This is absolutely another example of exactly the same kind of phenomenon happening in a concentrated period of time.
Green fireballs, black helicopters, animal mutilations in the San Luis Valley, law enforcement going out after things that aren't there.
That happened also in 1967.
And the green fireballs were what Lincoln LaPaz, a scientist in the 40s to the 50s, was a scientist study in a project that has now come out in public as being called Project Glean.
So whether something now in 94 is reoccurring that happened in the 40s, we don't know yet, but the same kind of phenomena is now being reported.
And I will try to keep up on this story because I think it's really quite significant.
Linda Howe is here in the studio with us this evening.
And I've just told you, and I'll tell you again, about the big, big book giveaway, beginning at 9 o'clock in the morning and going until we've given away 50 of her brand new books, Glimpses of Other Realities.
All right, Linda, indeed.
We've got Michael Lindemann coming up in just a moment.
Dear friend and colleague, and he and I have spent many hours discussing the public school, why is there so much angry denial about the possibility of another intelligence being involved with our planet in some way?
And when I was getting to the area of what's called an epilogue in a book, where you try at least to wrap up some of your thoughts and maybe leave readers with some kind of a marching off point, in my case, to the next book, Michael had written something for a presentation he was given, and he had said it to me.
And I asked him, I said, I think that that is such a concise and focused summary for this moment right now.
Could I use this, as your quote, in my epilogue?
And I want to share with our listeners right now what I think is a very cogent and perceptive summary of the condition of our planet in relationship to this phenomenon.
This is from my friend Michael Lindemann.
The inescapable profundity of the alien presence has become a source of social pathology in our time.
As a culture, we have not yet learned how to tell the truth about something so huge, so strange, and so unexpected.
Individuals who make an honest effort to deal with it often discover that their personal stability is at least.
Consequently, the alien presence requires us all to grow and to become stronger and clearer as we help one another to find our way and getting into the world.
And if you want one, you're going to have to call at 9 o'clock in the morning at the Bigelow Foundation at area code 702-456-1606.
And I think you'll find it indeed very rewarding.
This is a fabulous book.
There's a lot of documentation in it.
A lot of times people complain that authors writing in this area do a great deal of speculation and very little documentation.
And this book is full of documentation.
So if you want to get a good glimpse of another reality and a wonderful book, then be on that telephone at 9 o'clock in the morning.
Michael Lindemann was born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin in 1949.
He became a conscientious objector as a university student during the Vietnam War, developed a lifelong interest in arms control, foreign affairs, and government policy.
He earned a BA degree in psychology from Antioch University, followed by two years of study at the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley.
He later combined his political and psychological interests as an educator, social analyst, and futurist, first as executive director of the Peace Resource Center of Santa Barbara, then as founding director of the 2020 Group, which is a private research organization studying forces that shape the future.
Since 1990, Michael Lineman has earned national recognition for contributions to the study of UFOs.
He first examined the UFO controversy in 1989 from the angle of its possible connection to covert weapons development and social policy, finding substantial evidence in support of UFO claims.
He founded the Visitors Investigation Project to conduct and publish UFO research.
He has been on many radio and television programs to Santa Barbara, California, and Michael Lindemann.
Well, I haven't seen the final copy, but I have had the pleasure of reading it through.
In fact, I've read it through twice because Linda asked for comments from me, as she did from some other people.
So I have had the great pleasure of at least examining the text, and I can echo very strongly the sentiment that you've expressed, that it is absolutely a magnificent book.
And although the pictures are wonderfully illustrative of the strangeness and just a kind of scope of this whole phenomenon, I really do think the book as a whole breaks new ground.
I think it's going to stand as a real basic contribution to understanding.
And I think I just feel very proud of Linda and very glad to have played even a very small part in seeing this thing through because it's a magnificent piece of work.
Well, Michael is one of those colleagues in the world that is invaluable because I trust that he'll always be honest with me if I send him something.
And it is not easy material, and you need to have feedback from the outside world.
And I value Michael, you hear me thank you, thank you so many times for the edits on this book.
And the other part of it is, is that his context has always been trying to deal with what are the bigger implications politically, socially, economically, religiously.
If you take this book and you take what's in there and you say, here is a tremendous amount at least of evidentiary evidence, if this is real, what are the implications for our planet and how do we get past the point where we are now that we're alone in the universe to we're not alone and his statement that I read from the Epilogue and that perspective that Michael is trying to share, I think is extremely valuable.
And Michael, that's exactly the road we're going to go down right now, or at least to begin with.
If Linda's book or a book like it were to most of the scientific world to make them stand up and take notice and virtually say, yes, there's enough documentation here that we've got a little more than smoke, maybe a little fire, there is something to this.
And within a consensus reality, there are certain things which are true by general agreement and certain things which are impossible by general agreement.
It's a kind of a gray zone where science and religion and psychology operate.
But the gray zone is actually not terribly risky.
The risks people take in science tend, frankly, to be very unrisky in terms of the structure of the paradigm.
Because when a paradigm begins to actually be challenged, when the whole basic structure of belief begins to be challenged, everything we call normal, everything we call stable, we call predictable, all of it becomes shaky and scary.
And no one wants to be in that position.
Now, I just lived through the periphery of the Los Angeles earthquake a couple weeks ago.
Everybody gets freaked out, and it's really very serious.
Now, this kind of thing doesn't happen very often.
But Thomas Kuhn, in this brilliant little book, which has become an absolute classic.
It's not a very big book.
Heck, I think you can read it in about two hours.
This brilliant little book called The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.
He wrote it back in the 50s.
And basically what he said was, when this happens, the job of the established authorities is to resist it with all their might.
They resist it with all their might.
And it is almost as if they are genetically wired to defend the consensus against the hordes of heathen who are going to overturn everything we call real.
I'm curious, Michael, has there ever been an experiment where they have taken people and convinced them that the aliens have landed or the aliens are here other than George Orwell's radio presentation.
Has there been a modern parallel to that in which we've had an opportunity to observe exactly how a small body of people might react?
That was really alarming for them because they realized then that if there was a huge proliferation of UFO reports, the likelihood was there was a high degree of reliability there.
But Tell was also commissioned to do a number of more covert studies to assess how the society would react to some of these issues.
And because those studies have been sequestered ever since, I don't know anyone who can authoritatively say what was in them.
But the assumption has been that they were not at all pleased by the way people would react.
Now, the one model that is touted constantly is the one you've already mentioned, which we have the Orwell broadcast in Halloween of 1938.
And it was, of course, it's hardly a scientific demonstration, but as a sort of a symbol of how people react, it was extremely impressive.
People don't react well at all when the reality is suddenly challenged.
Right, but there's been a lot of sightings under the bridge since then, and a lot of information, and a lot of programs like the one we're doing right now.
And I guess the question is, are we better prepared today than we were then?
And partly, I just think that society does evolve on its own steam.
We have a certain fascination for this stuff.
And to the extent that we are not viscerally threatened, I think we do actually want to know.
And, of course, we have a popular culture that's loaded with aliens and spaceships and so forth and so forth, all of which is probably very useful.
More than that, perhaps there are intimations of a somewhat structured effort to bring us along.
Now, the truth is, I'm not aware of a single smoking gun that we can actually trot out and say, see, the CIA did this or the NSA or somebody did that or the president ordered that this be done.
We would love to know that because many people assume it's happening.
I myself am rather convinced it's happening, but boy, it sure is hard to show it.
If you were to take, this is going to try and get you to answer a question you may not want to answer, but if you were to take 100 average U.S. citizens right now and subject them to the seeming reality of an alien presence, whether it was a landing or however you did it, what by percentage reactions do you think in a modern group you might expect to get?
As much information as I have on this subject, I say to myself, if I'm truly honest, what would happen if I were sitting in my living room and a gray walked through the door or through the wall, as they sometimes used to do?
I think I would be extremely alarmed, quite frankly, and that's despite all my information.
I think that we have a very low tolerance for strangeness.
That's not true of everybody.
But I don't think I'm, you know, I don't think I'm particularly wimpy.
I deal with current events and news on my syndicated program every night.
I've done so for eight years.
The news has become almost, it's almost to the point where the American citizen who's listening to the media is, I don't want to say burned out, but close.
It's as though every day the news tops itself with some spectacular, I call them head shakers, in which somebody goes in and blows up a whole bunch of people with an assault rifle or something.
In other words, the news, we're almost numb.
And if it were to suddenly come over the radio that the aliens have landed, I think that people would be able to take that sort of news delivered in that manner.
But not the kind of thing that you just set up, not the scenario you set up.
If a gray walks through the wall, I think I'd react just the way you suggested you would.
If it came across on the radio or the television as news, if a person were looking around and their immediate reality were unchanged, but the news was saying we got aliens on the White House lawn, or whatever nonsense they came up with, I think the initial reaction would be a lot of curiosity, a lot of wonder, a lot of.
So that tells us, perhaps, just this little conversation, if it is an orchestrated thing, if there is a government cover-up, and if at some point they decide to make it public, I think you and I just decided the way they would do it.
It has occurred to me that they might actually do something like that to sort of break it to us gently, as it were.
I think we have a real problem, though, because we know now that it's possible to show us on film absolutely anything.
In fact, we can even, we have such impressive powers of illusion now.
I think in Las Vegas, people know this better than practically anywhere else in the world.
The kind of stage magic which turns up there gives you strong indication of what is possible when a guy like David Copperfield, you know, literally jumps off the stage and starts flying around the room, and you go, oh, this guy can't fly, but hey, that doesn't help.
Well, you know, and my rejoiner to that is yes, and there are people who will tell you with shaking their fists that the world is flat.
You know, the fact is humans can believe anything, and some of the things they believe are truly outlandish.
And this makes our job, when we're dealing with other realities, as Linda puts it, it makes our job actually that much more complex.
I think we're right at the edge of having to admit that we are neither particularly well prepared biologically, nor are we well educated to take this jump.
And we really are going to have to stretch to do this.
And I'm thinking here, holy Moses, this guy's got some tough questions.
What do you do?
Sit up all night thinking of me.
It's a very fair question.
What would we do?
Well, I think we would have to, first of all, ask people to sit tight for some very important information and then walk them through some historical background.
I think that that's very important.
I think what happens right away is there's a breakdown in confidence.
And what the people want is confidence that whoever is talking to them actually has the quote-unquote answer.
Now, that's going to be very tough.
And that has been a tough problem from the get-go, which is why I think the government has not done exactly what you say.
And why, frankly, I am not confident that they're going to anytime soon.
I was in Schiff's office the other day talking with his aide, Mary Martinek, and Schiff, just for his own personal attitude, doesn't really think there's a UFO involved here.
What he's convinced of is that there's a cover-up.
Because there's a cover-up.
Well, you see, cover-up is becoming almost like politically correct stuff to go after.
And I think Schiff had a lot of persuasion from his constituency.
I mean, down there in Albuquerque, every second person believes in Roswell or knows somebody who was there, technically.
So it is interesting and very favorable that he's doing this.
I will be as interested as anyone, as interested as you, to see what the GAO actually turns up.
But frankly, I am not hopeful.
As I continue to look at the position the government would be in with this stuff, it seems to me that they are going to hold out as long as they can.
If the alien presence itself, if the activity of alien intelligence remains as ambiguous as it is at present, I do not expect our government to talk about it openly.
But that would be, I thought, well, there's a way they could begin opening up sort of slowly and say, well, yes, we're releasing some documents or maybe SHIFS manages to get hold of some documents and it starts to look like Roswell really was something.
That would be a way to start releasing information.
And if anyone's going to do it, this is a good way to do it.
I think we have to acknowledge where the real problems lie.
We live in a world today which is extremely shaky, and many, many people are turning to very rigid belief systems to sort of protect themselves against the basic uncertainty of life.
What we see above all is a split between sort of rationalism on the one side and religious fundamentalism on the other.
And I think our government knows that where the real problem lies is in a very large and growing group of believers, not just Christians, but believers literally worldwide from various religious persuasions, who will see this as the absolute proof of the end time.
I would think there'd be a big difference, Michael, between two revelations.
On the one side, aliens arriving in little saucers or something else from Zeta reticuli, another place, without any connection to our beginnings.
On the other hand, if it turns out that they would arrive and they are our genetic parents, then it seems to me you've got something that if you reveal it is going to cause a complete breakdown.
Or nearly a complete breakdown.
It would challenge every religious person out there.
I think the genetic connection or the possibility that we are actually related to these guys is actually becoming one of the central issues of this whole business.
And of course, that, as you've already pointed out, is a far cry from the possibility that one little saucer crashed in 1947.
I think that the people who are the true custodians of this UFO information may very well know or strongly suspect that that is the bottom line.
The bottom line is that we have a long-standing relationship with people who may even be genetically, but maybe look very likely culturally related to them in some way.
If little guys landed and they claimed to be our genetic parents, and it seemed to rule out the possibility of the Creator as we understand and think of the Creator, there would be an army of people with guns that would fill the little green guys so full of lead, you wouldn't be able to tell what they were anymore.
And I think all indications are that the aliens are in no hurry to reveal themselves and that that has been the only saving grace In our government's position, that it happens that there is a synchronicity.
I dare say not an agreement.
Some people say, oh, they're in cahoots.
Well, I'm not at all sure about that.
But let's say that there is a similarity of objective or a similarity of position in this one instance.
The aliens see that they're much better off not revealing themselves overtly, at least not in an organized way.
And the government is in no hurry to bring this out as long as the aliens don't push the envelope.
I really do think that the timetable is in the aliens' hands.
Well, if it's in the aliens' hands, then we really don't know.
Now, we hear all kinds of guesses, and you hear them from the psychics, you hear them from the channelers, you hear them from the abductees who are rather consistent in the things they're saying.
You hear it from ancient prophecy, you hear it from, you know, from it's amazing.
It's coming from every quarter of the compass that we are in the time zone.
We will begin beginning February 27th, a brand new series of programs, this time syndicated to be called Dreamland.
And we're all very much looking forward to the beginning of that.
I want to remind everybody that Linda Howe's book is going to be up for grabs in the morning, beginning at 9 o'clock, 9 a.m. sharp.
And if you call the Bigelow Foundation and you're one of the first 50, you walk away with a $39.95 beautiful copy of Glimpses of Other Realities by Linda Howe.
The number to call at 9 a.m. and not before is area code 702-456-1606.
Well, we certainly have a great deal of documentary evidence demonstrating that there has been, well, from at least 1947, a great many sightings of craft and various kinds of recoveries of wreckage and so forth.
The Air Force has been quite forthright about this.
If we look only at the most simplistic reporting, which came out of Blue Book, we can say unequivocally that the Air Force knows that UFOs exist, and yet the language which has come from the Air Force and from the government generally has persuaded our public that UFOs amount to nothing,
are at most fuzzy lights in the sky, mean nothing, and that anyone who sees a UFO is either a crackpot or a person of low IQ or low morality.
So we've got this language in our culture that UFOs are simply an off-limits subject.
Now that was an extremely carefully constructed pattern of disinformation.
And the real construction of that disinformation began in the wake of Roswell, but it was formalized into policy in 1953.
We know this for a fact as we have the documents.
When the Robertson panel report, commissioned by the CIA, reported to President Eisenhower that the public interest in UFOs was the biggest part of the problem.
They wrote in their report that the president should institute a policy of debunking, and it was set in motion from that day forward.
Debunking became policy of government under that term.
And that meant enroll educators and entertainers to help bring the message forward, create movies and other images that helped create the proper flavor, which is a flavor of absurdity and ridiculousness and triviality.
I can be extremely impressed with the quality of this effort when I recognize myself to be a victim of this, of the success of this operation, that I could live 44 years.
Absolutely unaware that there was anything to this subject.
It shot the daylights on me when I first figured it out in 1989.
And I know that there are millions of people across this country and across the world who are still in that position of denial because they've been trained from birth that this is the way it should be.
We have indications that every president since Truman has been briefed to an extent.
But I have no reason to believe that Clinton is particularly well Briefed.
I would imagine, and this is only a supposition, that President Bush was much better briefed because there are indications he was in on the secret from very early on, from the early to mid-50s perhaps, and particularly because he served briefly as director of the CIA and had other strong connections to the intelligence community, he would have that kind.
It is held in compartments throughout the intelligence and the Army, or pardon me, the military intelligence and the civilian intelligence community, but it is so highly compartmentalized that I do not believe more than a handful of people in this country really have direct access to all the information.
We instituted in the wake of World War II a new kind of institutional secrecy, the compartmentalization of top-secret materials so that need to know became a kind of lock and key mechanism.
And even if you held the highest top-secret clearance that we have, Art, there would be many secrets to which you were simply not allowed.
Well, the big war cry, Michael, has always been, look, our government is lousy at keeping secrets.
But I think the recent revelations about the plutonium and all the rest of that put that one in the dirt, because in fact they did keep that horrible little secret until they decided to release it.
And what we've heard, once again, is that the prevailing risk concerning the death of President Kennedy is just plain absurd.
We have lived 30 years from that day, one of the greatest tragedies in American history, and we do not know the truth.
Everyone listening probably has a head theory, and some of those theories may well be true, but the fact is that the public conversation about President Kennedy's death remains absolutely confused and murky and untrue.
It is shot through with disinformation.
If you don't think we can keep a secret, ask yourself why have we never learned what actually happened in Florida?
Well, one way I think I would do it if I were in the disinformation game would be, Michael, I'd stage some incredibly seemingly viable incident, and I would let the world focus attention on it for a little while, and then I would show it to people hooked.
And then, worldwide, people would throw up their hands, and they'd say, boy, what a bunch of junk, and they'd mentally dismiss it.
That's how I went to the world of government engagement with making videos of coat people, and just a lot of Americans mentally dismiss it, a bunch of crazy coat people.
They can lay labels on things, and that sort of disinformation campaign would be very, very powerful.
It takes American to look at the phenomenon and realize that those two jokers couldn't possibly have done it.
And yet, we do know that there have been some hoaxes, and even they have done some hoaxes, but some people more clever than they have done other hoaxes, which are quite impressive.
The fact is, the press wanted desperately to blow this thing away because it was just a very nagging mystery.
And they jumped on this flimsy, foolish story with glee, and they festooned it across the English-speaking world.
I saw it in papers literally from all over the country.
Front-page stuff.
My lord, we would kill to get that kind of a story about a genuine UFO.
You know, trot out two drunken jokers who say they've made a few crop circles, and you get everyone writing, you know, front-page stories.
It's unbelievable.
But the fact is that the press, if I may say so, meaning no disrespect to the press, but the press is, in effect, a tool of consensus reality.
That is very much their job.
And we saw a perfect example.
But I think we can do that with UFOs, and it's actually, it poses a danger because I think we can use it as a manipulative tool if the government feels that they need to put some sort of a spin on UFOs for political advantage.
I have been warning in my lectures that that is one of the great dangers of dealing with this subject on the confused level that it is.
All right, so now let me hit you with a really rough one, Michael.
Suppose that I represented the government entity that knew all this was going on.
And because of the Work you do, I came to you and I said, Look, the reality is, yes, we're in contact, yes, they are our genetic ancestors, and I'm sure you would agree, Michael, wouldn't you, that that information cannot get out right now, that it would be very, very damaging, and there would be worldwide strife, and we'd, in all likelihood, end up with anarchy.
Therefore, we would like to enlist you to help us.
Well, I'm not sure if that would actually work, because clearly, if they came to me in that fashion, they would know that they had perfect deniability.
So I don't think I would have any grand leverage at that point.
Well, I happen to feel that most of the efforts of our government are genuinely well meant.
And though I don't want to sound too partisan, I actually have high hopes that President Clinton will continue along the path of demonstrating that he is actually a man of genuine intelligence and goodwill.
He's by no means a perfect politician.
I don't think that exists.
But I think we do have a chance of doing better than we've been doing.
I do not, frankly, subscribe to the notion that we're headed for a police state.
I do, however, know for certain that we are headed for a world of grave instability.
And even the best government, faced with instability on a grand scale, becomes extremely defensive, paranoid, and sometimes dangerous.
We're not immune to that.
I think that the American people, in terms of growing up, have to recognize that all around the world, societies are being shaken to their roots.
My lord, we just saw the second greatest superpower on the planet disintegrate.
And if we think we're immune, we're dead wrong and putting ourselves in grave danger.
But I would not pin it on the government to say that they're the problem and they're the enemy.
Now, the question is, you know, is the government to blame or is there any way the government can actually respond?
I happen to think the government does not have a lot of options, and actually they look very insecure and very inadequate to the task.
We're in for some very tough times here, Art.
And yes, to some degree, the government will probably be tempted to crack down very, very harsh.
But I think the real difference is here, in terms of philosophy or worldview, is the government populated by people who are genuinely evil and kind of power mongers, or is it populated instead with quite ordinary average people who have chosen the path of government as their job and who are faced with horrendous challenges?
I think the threat angle is going to have to be handled very, very carefully.
If they simply told the bald-faced truth about, for example, our military capability as against the aliens, we'd that would be, you know, that is a formula for disaster because our military capability is zero.
Okay, we have no capability against them.
And we've known that for 40 years, which is probably the biggest nightmare we've got in terms of telling a good story.
But the question is, is there a military threat?
And the answer may well be there isn't.
There have been several assessments down the years, starting back with the Robertson panel report, where they have said, and they've said this several times since, there does not appear to be a military threat.
And therefore, the question is, are we actually not threatened by destruction so much as we are threatened by strangeness?
We are threatened by beliefs that don't hold up against this.
The reason I mentioned this is several times during his presidency, Ronald Reagan referred to the possibility that humanity or the world would be unified because of some external threat or alien threat.
In fact, I think he said it at least five times in various public venues.
And people have held that up and said, isn't it puzzling that Reagan would say such a thing?
Well, maybe it is, maybe it is not.
It might have just been a figure of speech.
The fact is, we don't know if there was any grand design behind this.
But I think the sentiment does speak to a probable reality.
We are in this position where if we remain as divided as we are, we are going to slowly self-destruct.
And there are many people who know that.
And there are some people who think that the real interest of the aliens in this planet is to see what the silly old humans are going to do.
That maybe this is just a fascinating little corner of the universe right now because these humans with really great capability and great promise are right on the edge of not being able to make up their mind whether they want to live or die.
I really do think that that's one way of typifying the condition on this planet.
And maybe there are aliens who are just here to get their licks while the getting's good.
Maybe there are some who are standing by to see if they can lend a hand or step in if it gets absolutely catastrophic.
But all of that is, you know, wild supposition.
The fact is, if we look only at the human situation, we are right on the edge between being able to move into the 21st century with terrific momentum and terrific promise or kind of teetering off the cliff and just...
Right, right.
You know, bombing ourselves back to the Stone Age, as it were.
And I think anyone in government today has taken on the most thankless, difficult task they possibly can.
However, I do think that there is, first of all, a gigantic resilience in the basic forms of life on this planet, including human life.
People discover when they're in their worst condition just how much they can take.
And it is constantly amazing what people can take.
But what I think we must recognize is the amount of destruction that can come from our unwillingness to get serious, the amount of destruction is truly awesome.
And it is coming.
All the trends are very ugly.
So we must sit up, take stock, pay attention, and get down to business.
I think symbolically it's extremely important, and I think it can actually happen.
In a certain sense, it is occurring, and it's occurring at a very small scale now, but it's beginning to build.
But I think it goes further than that.
I think that the idea of revealing the truth about the alien presence is extremely important.
But I think, too, we have to reveal the truth about a great many other things.
And our government has become so used to operating in a caretaker and kind of paternalistic capacity that they have forgotten how to actually follow the lead of the people.
And we have to redo the American constitutional framework.
We don't need a new constitution.
I think it's very important for people to understand.
Our constitution is just fine, but we have to get back to doing it the way it was written.
Now, as for the alien business, I do think that it's going to strongly restructure, above all, our religious beliefs.
And it's going to take a tremendous amount of wisdom and patience and forbearance to get through that little uphill.
That's the best we can hope for, Art, and I don't think...
As a matter of fact, I do believe that our government has seen it that way, that that is why we've heard nothing, because they see no option between putting it off on the one hand and that kind of uncontrollable chaos on the other.
So I think people have to recognize that they have the capacity to rise to the occasion and get through this, but if they follow the path of least resistance into their fear, into their reactivity, then things get extremely ugly right away.
And that is what makes this subject so troublesome.
So then I conclude a reasonable person could be talked into continuing this until some way could be devised to do it in some way that wouldn't disrupt everything.
That is right, and that is exactly what has been done.
But I think there has been, however, forward movement in the fact that human beings can be gradually acclimatized to practically anything.
And I think that that is the state we are currently in.
Although if you threw it at us right away like a wide grenade, you know, there'd be violence in every direction.
As it is coming out, step by step, little by little, we are laying the groundwork for more complete revelations in the future.
And that is why I, who speak, you know, with a certain amount of criticism about the government and about the government handling of things, regard myself, Art, as loyal opposition.
I believe I am serving a function which is in a certain relationship to the government's function of resisting revelations.
I'm saying, look, we must reveal, we must reveal, this is real, and what we get is a dynamic tension which moves The social conversation forward.
And I do believe that that is happening all over the country.
But what we must do to make it work is to up-level the credibility of the UFO argument itself so that we have more people of the quality of a Linda Howe, for example, who does the extraordinary field work and brings a very high degree of integrity and rational effort to the subject.
Well, it's interesting because one of the people that she showed it to was an eminent scientist who took it very, very seriously.
He was not at all predisposed to believe this stuff.
But when he looked at it, he said, my Lord, this is very impressive and it's very depressing, he said, in effect.
That wasn't the exact word, but he said, this gives me the impression of a very unfriendly universe.
But I think what that points up is that it is profoundly impressive and will indeed cause people to stop and look and assess.
Now, Linda was quite shocked, as a matter of fact, when this man, I believe, I don't want to be out of line here, but I think it was Fred Allen Wolfe who did that.
Linda was quite dismayed, actually, that Dr. Wolfe's assessment was that this demonstrated a malignant kind of force operating in the world.
But I think we have to recognize that the material is viscerally very, very agitating.
I mean, it's difficult stuff, even if the agency that is actually causing this is benign.
But again, if we look at what we have done in the name of testing, you know, a popular cosmetic, not to mention what we've done in the name of feeding ourselves and one another, we would have to say that the aliens have nothing on us in terms of butchery, in terms of grotesque behavior, in terms of what would appear to be gratuitous grossities.
Humans have written a book on that subject, and we must never forget that, that nothing we have seen, not the worst possible thing we have seen from the presumed alien side, is any worse than average day-to-day human behavior.
But if it does turn out to be negative, and if there was a revelation and it was a negative revelation, that we had something to fear, that we represented basically food or something awful like that to them, then wouldn't we get a war of the world sort of reaction?
And I think we have to be very, very careful not to jump to those conclusions.
I think that we, frankly, I don't think that's what's going on.
Now, the perception of that is easily put out, and there will be demagogues.
I mean, this is the kind of thing that a fanatic of any kind grabs onto and says, you know, waves it in people's face and say, you see, they're here to eat you or they're here to carve up your children in small chunks, that kind of nonsense.
And there will certainly be people who do that.
There are people who are doing it now.
I really don't believe the evidence suggests that at all.
I think what the evidence suggests is a profound mystery which requires that we be much more conscious and much more discerning, much more sophisticated to even grasp the nature of what we're looking at.
If we would accept this as a challenge to grow rather than as a reason to fear, he would be miles ahead.
I guess if I were to ask you for the date by which all of this might occur, or consciousness, the dawn of consciousness about the presence, might finally collectively reach some crescendo and everybody says, aha, yes, it is true.
There is something to this.
They are here.
That kind of a slow-building revelation.
You think that might occur before the turn of the century?
What I say is there's a tremendous momentum occurring, and all the people who are, you might say, casting prophecies seem to be in general agreement that we have reached that period of time when something has to give.
It has to happen.
So I would say, yes, by the end of this decade, we are going to know a lot more than we know now.
Although, you also have to imagine, Michael, what about this question, that each generation, particularly the ones that usher in a new century, probably start saying exactly this sort of thing as you approach the millennium.
How do you feel about, you know, the whole thought, you know, with Jung feeling that it's this transition period going into a new age and it's actually psychic phenomena that we're experiencing and Valet who thought that it was some sort of paradigm shifting mind control type thing done by those who oversee the world.
Right, well, now, you've raised a very interesting question.
Valet is one of several people who has suggested that all of this represents what he calls a control system, and that the control system is actually being operated by the beings we call alien.
He's not at all convinced, by the way, that those beings are flesh and fluid creatures that like ourselves, but they may be operating at a different level of reality.
He's very open to the concept of extra-dimensional beings, parallel universes, and so forth.
And once you start talking about that, you get into a realm where the language of Jung may be virtually just a modification on the same theme.
We have only lately begun to become familiar and comfortable with the concept of parallel universes and other dimensions.
But one thing's for sure, when Linda Howitt says other realities, she is opening up the door to all of that.
And we are, I think, looking at more than a 3D event here, an event that is simply physical like ourselves.
No, we're really dealing at a realm where the human mind is challenged to rethink itself entirely.
And all bets are off as to just exactly what the limits of reality may be.
This is the thing that's the hardest of all.
We're very used to, you know, thinking in terms of physical stuff.
Yeah, I agree.
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I agree.
I mean, I experienced something this fall.
Linda Howe was talking about green balls of light flashing across the sky in January in, I guess, Colorado.
And there was a large sighting in Salt Lake City.
I'm surprised it didn't make the news back this September.
And I was up in Park City, Utah, and they saw it for miles coming across the mountains.
And it was sighted by numerous people and also by the planetarium in Salt Lake City.
And I felt, you know, it was just a weird feeling after seeing it because it didn't look like anything that was of a meteor or anything of that nature.
Well, events like that are being reported all over the world.
And of course, with as little to go on as what you've just reported, we say on the one hand it was profoundly impressive, but on the other hand, profoundly mysterious.
We don't know what it was.
But we have to accept the possibility that we're right at the edge of redefining reality.
And that is what we mean by paradigm shift.
Because reality, the way we've structured it and agreed about it, that doesn't work anymore.
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Unfortunately, with paradigm shifts, there's also a lot of social turmoil that goes on.
It's just a shame that we're going to have to go through it.
Well, it's nice that you think I'm astute, but long-winded.
Okay, fine.
Actually, I think it matters quite a lot, because if aliens are not here, then we have what Carl Sagan calls a mass hallucination, which means that humans on a very large scale are imagining something quite coherent and quite distressing that has no external trigger.
Now, that in itself would prove to be at least a psychological phenomenon of great interest, if not great importance.
However, I do think the evidence is overwhelmingly strong that we have, in fact, an alien presence here.
And quite frankly, the implications of that are very, very important, as we've been discussing.
If you're not convinced of that, then perhaps we would have to go a few more rounds with you.
Yeah, but these are non-trivial events that you're talking about, Caller.
You suggested it wouldn't matter if any of the things you just described were to occur, it would matter a lot, wouldn't it?
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Well, it doesn't matter at all, because if they're here and they're having an impact and an influence on our society and our well-being and our level of intelligence understanding, then we're lucky.
If they're not here and it's just a mystery or a made-up thing that is mostly made up of psychological impact, as Michael says, well, then it's just something that's generated and created by people's imagination.
There was kind of an internal contradiction in what he was saying.
I don't think it takes any proof at all to say that this would be important.
I mean, for example, if we go to the furthest extreme of what we've talked about earlier, that we are actually someone else's lab experiment, I think that that has highly disruptive possibilities.
And the fact is, it's just barely possible that that may be.
January 30th, 8.34 p.m., we had a mild quake here in Las Vegas or motion.
The water in the turret was moving, and the lamps were moving, and my little iron thingy that I have near my bed moved.
That was at 8.34, and when that happens to that extent, usually they have a five, at least a five in L.A. Okay, on to the UFOs.
The Glasswell incident is a very, very definite piece of information that should have been followed on by everybody that is in the scientific community.
And also, don't forget, there was 10 to 15 students on an outing looking for butterflies or whatever it was and found the UFOs first.
And they were all shooed away.
Plus, the other people that service the military, like carrying the UFOs off, supposedly, and so on, all of those people are beginning to die off.
And I think that that Roswell incident should really be investigated with extreme vigor to whoever can afford it.
And I think people should know that it is a somewhat fictionalized scenario, but based very, very closely on the known evidence.
Now, as for the fact that witnesses are dying off, you're quite right, Caller, but there are more today still, more than 30 living eyewitnesses, first-hand eyewitnesses, to the wreckage and or the bodies.
And what we're trying to do now is arrange a way that these people can speak with impunity to the Congress.
Now, I'm also very encouraged by the work of Representative Stephen Schiff from the Alberta Assistance of New Mexico, who has asked the Government Accounting Office to look into the allegations that the Pentagon is holding information on Rod.
Well, the GAO, his first foray against the Pentagon, turned up the fact that the Pentagon would prevent them.
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I thought it was ah, because the Pentagon didn't walk away and said, oh, we don't have anything left.
Instead, they said something to the effect, leave us alone, you know?
Oh, by the way, I don't want to let this one get away.
There were connections and stories about Bobby Ray Inman, who was appointed nominee to be the Defense Secretary, and comments he had made about flying saucers.
And I'm curious how you view his very strange, very strange press conference dropping out.
I was most interested to see what would come out in hearings because Inman does have a reputation as something of a loose cannon, actually.
He's a quirky kind of character, although he's very well connected.
It's hard to know why exactly, except that maybe his very deep covert connection to some of these extraordinary realities gave him the impression that the heat he might take in the Senate during the confirmation would just be very, very difficult and embarrassing.
And he took, in effect, the easy way out by making himself look like a fool.
On the first time, call our line, you're on the air with Michael Lineman.
Good evening.
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Hello, Art.
This is Philip from Bonanza.
I have a question.
In Revelation, it describes an evil force coming before Jesus, and I was just wondering what the chances are that UFO technology might be the vehicle for this evil force.
Well, we're going to have to contend with a variety of prophecies of that sort, not only Christian prophecies, but prophecies from other traditions, which interestingly all seem to come to focus during this period of time.
I have no opinion on the ultimate truth of Revelations.
What I do know is that many people are likely to see it in the way you have described it.
However, if I had to make a guess of my own, I would say, let us not assume that this is a sign of the end time.
I rather suspect it is not a sign of the end time, but rather a sign that we humans are, as we have done many times in the past, we are looking at a new take on reality.
Now, this has happened before, and we've survived it before, and it has always had religious implications.
But for those of the faithful who need some reassurance, I personally feel, it's only my own testament, if you will, that nothing that is happening today with respect to the UFO phenomenon, nothing at all is going to change our basic relationship to deity.