Sept. 3, 1993 - Art Bell
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| One moment, John Lear. | ||
| Before I get to John, and we have in radio the luxury of a lot of time, John is on the line and able to hear what I'm saying right now. | ||
| And I guess I'm going to begin this show with my experience, so it's out of the way. | ||
| And I'm going to relate this experience to you because it really, in some ways, accounts for why John is here on this particular morning. | ||
| Because when I saw what I saw this last Sunday, I picked up the phone the moment I hit the house and called John Lear's house. | ||
| Unfortunately, at that point, got a tape and related briefly my experience. | ||
| And John called me the next day, and it was like a confession or something. | ||
| I had to get hold of John. | ||
| So here's what happened briefly this last Sunday. | ||
| And I will neither, if I'm able, add to it or detract from it. | ||
| I'm going to tell you the story just as it happened. | ||
| On my way home to a little town to the west of Las Vegas, about 60 miles to the west, called Perrump, Nevada. | ||
| And I was about a mile from home and on a street that runs from east-west, and I was traveling east to west to intersect with a street that runs north-south and would take me on the final leg home. | ||
| It was about 11, it was between 11 and 11.30. | ||
| I'm sorry, I didn't really note the time that carefully, but somewhere in that window between 11 and 11.30, I should suspect about 11.15 or 20 would be my best guess. | ||
| And I was on this final street, and all of a sudden, you'll recall the moon was a bit fuller than it is now, so it was fairly well lit up. | ||
| The weather conditions were calm. | ||
| If there was a breeze, it was a very, very light breeze as to be insignificant. | ||
| My wife caught something, I guess, out of the corner of her eye and turned around, looked out the back window and said, what in the hell is that? | ||
| I said, I don't know. | ||
| And I stopped the car and turned off the headlights and rolled down my window. | ||
| And coming up from behind us, just off the driver's side, was something large. | ||
| I would guesstimate it would be 100 feet across. | ||
| Absolutely triangular. | ||
| And I would guess it to be at about 150 feet in altitude. | ||
| And it was coming up literally behind us. | ||
| Its direction of travel was roughly east, southeast, and traveling towards the west-northwest. | ||
| And it was lit. | ||
| There were two white lights and one strobing red light, strobing at a rate faster than you would associate with normal aviation traffic. | ||
| The object was moving very slowly. | ||
| The word I would use to describe its movement was more floating. | ||
| Certainly it was going at a rate that would not sustain conventional aircraft in flight. | ||
| There just wouldn't be enough lift at that speed. | ||
| So it was floating, and it literally floated right across the, or very nearly across the top of my car, just a little off to the driver's side. | ||
| And I'll tell you, the sky was lit well enough that when I looked up at it, I was able to discern the substance of it. | ||
| And it was black and solid and triangular. | ||
| And it moved out and across my area very slowly, floated out across and continued to float in a west-northwesterly direction until I could see it literally going across the entire valley. | ||
| And I was able to keep sight of it for, I don't know, maybe as much as three or four minutes somewhere in there. | ||
| And then I finally lost sight of it. | ||
| So I have absolutely no idea what I saw, except that it was large. | ||
| It was precisely as I described to you. | ||
| It wasn't a guess. | ||
| It was not an indistinct light. | ||
| This was without question a craft. | ||
| The question is, was it a craft that our military has, that we don't know that they have, or was it from someplace else? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I would suspect the first before the second, but certainly either one is possible. | ||
| So that was my experience. | ||
| I'm 48 years old. | ||
| I've never seen one of these things before. | ||
| I didn't think I ever would see one, but I did. | ||
| My wife was witness as well. | ||
| I actually put her on the air the other morning for about 30 seconds just because I didn't want to be out there twisting slowly in the breeze by myself. | ||
| And I'm still thinking about all this. | ||
| So there it is. | ||
| For what it is, for what it's worth, that's my story. | ||
| And I swear to you, it is true. | ||
| John Lear. | ||
| John Lear is an airline captain. | ||
| John has flown 160 different types of aircraft in over 50 different countries in all types of flying. | ||
| Experimental test flying, production test flying, airline passenger flying, cargo hauling, movie work, stunt flying, aircraft ferrying, airdropping missions, racing, and secret missions of all kinds. | ||
| Lear held 18 world speed records in the Lear jet, including speed around the world, and holds the most FAA airman certificates issued to a single individual, which include the airline transport rating, flight instructor, Ground instructor, navigator, flight engineer, flight dispatcher, airframe and power plant mechanic, control tower operator, and parachute rigger. | ||
| He's been a commercial pilot for 30 years and has been flying for 35. | ||
| He holds the Professional Air Traffic Controllers Award for Outstanding Airmanship presented in 1968. | ||
| He's flown missions worldwide for various government agencies, flew in Southeast Asia between 1967 and 1973, and has flown extensively in Europe, the Middle East, Afghanistan, the Far East, and Africa. | ||
| As a non-SCED pilot, he has over 16,000 hours of flight time, of which over 12,000 hours are in jets. | ||
| Lear's father, of course, was William P. Lear Sr., who not only helped develop the first car radio, the A-Track stereo, the automatic pilot for fighter aircraft, but who developed the Lear jet, one of the first and most successful of all business jet aircraft. | ||
| Lear studied industrial design at the Art Center College in Los Angeles and was a state Senate candidate in Nevada in 1980. | ||
| He's written extensively about airplanes and other subjects and was Middle East correspondent for Combat Illustrated between 1975 and 1977 while stationed in Beirut. | ||
| He is an amateur photographer and astronomer and has won several photography awards for pictures taken during his worldwide travels. | ||
| In the early 70s, Lear owned and skippered the 12-meter America's Cup boat soliloquy out of Marina Del Rey. | ||
| Lear's interest in UFOs began after reading Bud Hopkins' book, Missing Time, and then a chance encounter with U.S. Air Force pilot who was at a base in England where an extraterrestrial craft landed in December of 1980. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, John Lear. | ||
| Good morning, John. | ||
| All right, how you doing? | ||
| Good to have you back. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I don't know where to start, John, except I'm sure you were listening and heard what I had to say. | ||
| That is exactly as my experience occurred. | ||
| I never thought I'd have one, John. | ||
| No. | ||
| And it's still... | ||
| It's... | ||
| The audience has helped because they've kept talking about it, but it's just preying on my mind. | ||
| Any idea what I saw? | ||
| Well, if I had to guess, based on all the stories I have heard, I would say that it's an A-12 Avenger. | ||
| Okay, one other fact, John, that I did leave out, and that was that it was very still. | ||
| I've said on the air, you could hear a cricket a quarter mile away, and that was the case. | ||
| It was very quiet. | ||
| And as close as this doggone thing was to me, John, it did not make a sound. | ||
| No. | ||
| Not a sound? | ||
| I mean, what kind of A-12 Avenger, what is that? | ||
| We have some very, very quiet airplanes. | ||
| And like I say, I'm not saying what it was, just what I think it was. | ||
| The A-12 Avenger is the airplane that was canceled. | ||
| It was the Navy fighter bomber that was canceled about a year ago by the Pentagon because of cost overruns. | ||
| It was being built by General Dynamics and McDonnell Douglas. | ||
| And what happened is when the funds were withdrawn for this thing, unbeknownst to the public and everybody else, there was about 10 to 13 of this craft already in various stages of construction, most of them already built. | ||
| So when they withdrew the funds to this craft, they asked Lockheed to get it in the air. | ||
| And they took these, it was about 10 to 13 airplanes and worked on them. | ||
| What they had to do is these were Navy airplanes ostensibly for a carrier and they had to, one of the overweight mechanisms was the wing folding mechanism and some other things in it and put engines in them and started flying. | ||
| And they're extremely, extremely quiet. | ||
| And they're the ones that are flying around. | ||
| Now, one of the reasons why I say this is because if it had been anything strange, like something extraterrestrial, it's possible that it would have canceled your or put out your headlights or your engine or something like that, which is usually the way. | ||
| Also, there wouldn't have been the white light on it, possibly the red light, but I don't know of anybody who's seen a saucer with a flashing red light, no matter what. | ||
| Other aspect it had, John, was it was flying too slow to be sustained in flight aerodynamically, as I understand it. | ||
| I mean, it was, John, it was floating. | ||
| Yeah, now that's the one thing, because conventional craft do need lift, and although the Delta plan form does create quite a bit of lift, it does need a little bit of speed. | ||
| So since I wasn't there and I don't know, I didn't see it, I'm not sure what it was. | ||
| But it sure sounds like these A-12 Avengers, you know, one of the things they do, and I say they, is we, the public, don't get to know all those secrets. | ||
| So one of the things they do is they play little tricks on us. | ||
| They find out what we're doing, what the important people are doing, what Art Bell is doing on Sunday night, and fly out and intercept him and fly over him and get him to say that he saw an extraterrestrial craft. | ||
| Oh, no, but Art Bell's not said that. | ||
| And then when they're in the briefing room, they say, hey, man, guess what? | ||
| Art Bell said he saw me fly, and I guess I'm an alien, huh? | ||
| And that's their little joke that they play on the public. | ||
| So I'm not saying that happened, but that's the little things that they like to do. | ||
| John, my guess would have to be, I said it earlier in the week, if somebody pressed me against the wall and said, we want your best guess and out with it now or we're punching you, I'd have had to say, I thought that it might be some sort of military secret aircraft. | ||
| That is my first guess. | ||
| And there was nothing about it that would suggest, Except that it's like it performed as nothing, John, I've ever seen or that I've understood on Earth could fly in the air too slow, too quiet, too close. | ||
| It was so close. | ||
| That was the thing about it, John. | ||
| I could see all the substance of it. | ||
| Not details, no windows, no markings, nothing like that. | ||
| But I saw the black craft come over. | ||
| You know, it was dark black, and the sky was lighter because it was near a full moon. | ||
| Well, that's one thing that doesn't make sense is they don't like to fly those things on any night when there's any kind of a moon because it does let people see what they are. | ||
| Also, the engines that we have, even though our technology base is about 30 years ahead of where the public thinks it is, we're kind of strapped to turbine and fan jet engines, and they do make some sound. | ||
| So being that low and that close, it would seem that they would make a noise. | ||
| But I'm going to have to stick with that it's a craft of ours. | ||
| A lot of things they have, there's probably five or six airplanes that they have that the public doesn't know anything about. | ||
| For instance, the F-19, which was built right along on the same assembly line as the F-117A, has been flying around for almost 12 years now. | ||
| It's an AV fighter with a delta wing plan form, a very, very strange-looking aircraft, and the public doesn't know anything about that. | ||
| Frankly, John, I had not heard that many reports of triangular UFOs. | ||
| I thought mine was unique, and I came on the air and reported it, and all of a sudden people started sending me newspaper articles and reports of triangular objects sighted up in the state of Washington, and on and on and on. | ||
| My fax machine lit up. | ||
| And so apparently there have been, and so did my telephone. | ||
| So there have been quite a few sightings of that sort. | ||
| And you would attribute most of them, do you think, John, to experimental U.S. aircraft? | ||
| Oh, some of them. | ||
| Some of them. | ||
| Some of them. | ||
| Are there any substantial reports that you know of, John, of alien craft or craft that appeared to be alien that were triangular? | ||
| No, not that I've heard. | ||
| They're mostly the flying wing type, huge flying wings or circular craft. | ||
| But I haven't heard too much of the triangular type being what we think of as extraterrestrial. | ||
| All right, there was a program on Fox last night that I fortunately know that you saw because I called you. | ||
| And as a matter of fact, my boss called me and said, hey, it's on. | ||
| I switched over and I caught it. | ||
| And the whole cast of characters was there. | ||
| Linda Howe, she's on my Sunday Area 2000 show, George Knapp, same deal. | ||
| Stanton Friedman, I noticed. | ||
| Bob Lazar. | ||
| There was a picture there of S12 that was attributed to you. | ||
| So the whole cast of characters, Bud Hopkins and on and on and on. | ||
| All of them were on. | ||
| It was an excellent show. | ||
| What did you think of it? | ||
| I thought it was very interesting. | ||
| It's about two or three years old. | ||
| And I remember when Sidings did that program, it was one of their first ones. | ||
| They did do the interview with Bob Lazar, which was very interesting. | ||
| And, of course, George Knapp and Linda Howe were on there. | ||
| You know, George, when I first went on George Knapp's program on the record in 1987, you know, he, I clearly remember him very, very skeptical. | ||
| You know, geez, John, you know, this is kind of hard to believe, you know, extraterrestrial craft at the test site. | ||
| And after a couple of years, he went, you know, got pretty involved in the research and then did those very, very well done programs that he did, the UFO's best evidence. | ||
| And now he's out on the road. | ||
| He does almost every UFO lecture on the lecture beat that there is. | ||
| And he doesn't, it seems as though he remembers himself initiating the investigation into UFOs, but he doesn't remember that I was on his program and I originally started. | ||
| Not that I care one way or the other, but it would be nice for him to say once in a while, John Lear was the one that originally piqued my interest and did the initial investigation on this. | ||
| Oh, John, I would say you are the great granddaddy of researchers in the UFO field. | ||
| Well, there was a lot of people before me, but as far as George Nab is concerned, it would be nice for once in a while for him to say, you know, John Lear was the greatest. | ||
| Well, John, what he may feel is, you know, he was a mainline sort of journalist, and he may feel that he was one of the first mainline journalists to really turn his head to this whole affair. | ||
| And that may be fair to say. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| The other thing that I found significant that he said was that he investigated the mob, you know, here in Las Vegas for years and years and years. | ||
| And the fear associated with investigating the mob, according to him, was almost nothing compared to the fear generated by the investigation of this UFO phenomenon. | ||
| Yeah, that's probably true. | ||
| You concur with that, huh? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I never investigated the mob, but I knew Ned Day very well, and he's the one that gave George most of his contacts. | ||
| Oh, I'm sure that would be so. | ||
| But nevertheless, that's quite a statement to make, that the fear associated with this ultimately is even bigger than the fear associated with investigating the mob. | ||
| John, we're going to take a break here at the bottom of the hour, and we'll come back and get into all of this a little deeper. | ||
| Stay right where you are. | ||
| Great, okay. | ||
| You're listening to Coast to Coast AM from Las Vegas. | ||
| My guest is John Lear, subject UFOs. | ||
| More in a moment. | ||
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| Here is my guest. | ||
| Standard warning, if this kind of program disturbs you, by all means, take a hike, turn your radio off, and come back another day. | ||
| And this does disturb and upset some people. | ||
| It's a very sensitive topic. | ||
| It's about UFOs, unidentified flying objects, or as some people call them, identified flying objects, and I think John is one of those. | ||
| I just had an interesting call. | ||
| John, I just had a call off the air from a source that I trust who said, Art, area 22, and I don't have any idea what that is, and the old area S4 or the area up right up around S4 or above S4 is now occupied by the Navy. | ||
| Well, it was always occupied by the Navy. | ||
| As a matter of fact, that's where Lazarus' checks came from, was Department of Naval Intelligence. | ||
| As a matter of fact, the Navy has always been ahead of all of these projects. | ||
| They've just used the U.S. Air Force as the whipping boy. | ||
| When the Air Force recovered the saucers, the first ones in 1947, in fact, Admiral Hillencotter was appointed head of MJ-12, and the Navy took control of the whole program and always have been in charge of this program. | ||
| They were head of both what is known old as Area 51, referred to as the Box, and S-4, which is near Papua Lake, in charge of that. | ||
| All right. | ||
| John, we have many new affiliate radio stations here on the network since you've last been on. | ||
| So a lot of people really don't know a whole lot about you one way or the other. | ||
| I read your bio at the beginning, but they don't know a whole lot about you, and there is quite a story. | ||
| So briefly, John, I'll tell you, as I saw this thing, when I saw this thing last Sunday, I had a full day to think about whether I really wanted to come on the air and talk about it or not. | ||
| And I went back and forth arguing with myself during that period, trying to decide whether I would publicly admit this. | ||
| And I'm still not fully certain I did the right thing because I've taken some heat because of it, John. | ||
| So then this is what I'm relating to your decision working for a commercial airline company, coming out publicly with all of this UFO business. | ||
| You might give my audience a little history about what happened when you did that. | ||
| Well, I got interested in UFOs, so to speak. | ||
| I kind of had a little bit of interest because my dad used to talk about it quite a bit. | ||
| But I wasn't all that interested until 1985 when I ran into a friend who I knew in Laos. | ||
| I flew over in Southeast Asia for about six or seven years. | ||
| This guy was one of the guys that flew in one of the covert programs over there called the Steve Canyon program. | ||
| He was a Raven, for those of you who know who Ravens were. | ||
| Anyway, many years later, he came to Melos Air Force Base transferring into the Guard, the Air Force Guard. | ||
| And he called, gave me a call, came up to the house, and we were talking about one thing and another, and I asked him where all he'd been based. | ||
| And one of the places he mentioned was Bentwaters. | ||
| And Bentwaters is a United States Air Force Base in England, about 70 miles northwest of London. | ||
| And most pilots have heard about a saucer that supposedly landed in December of 1980. | ||
| And when he said Bentwaters, I said, oh, that's supposedly where that saucer landed. | ||
| And he said, no, John, supposedly it did. | ||
| He said, I didn't see it because I was confined to quarters, but I talked to the guys who did. | ||
| And if you ever run into them, you know, just ask them about it. | ||
| And he gave me their names. | ||
| One was General Gordon Williams, one was Major Ted Conrad, another was Lieutenant Colonel Chuck Halt. | ||
| And although I didn't run into those guys, I ran into other people who had been there and had seen the saucer and the three aliens get out and walk up to General Gordon Williams. | ||
| Well, anyway, this set me on an investigation. | ||
| I thought I knew a lot about secret and covert programs, and it's been one of my big interests is figuring out what's really going on. | ||
| And so I, you know, checked around for about two years, writing letters and talking to people and came up with the astounding revelation that yes, it was true there were UFOs, that our government was dealing with extraterrestrials, unbeknownst to almost 100% of the public, and that it was real and going on. | ||
| And for my efforts, there were several very nasty articles that were printed about me. | ||
| I was called into the company that I worked for then. | ||
| I was a senior captain with a major charter company located in the Midwest. | ||
| And they called me in one day and they said, hey, is it true that you believe in flying sauce? | ||
| I said, well, yeah, as a matter of fact, yes. | ||
| They said, why? | ||
| And I gave them briefly what I just told you. | ||
| And they said, well, we can't have any captains that believe in that flying for us. | ||
| You're fired. | ||
| And they took my ID and I was out the door in 20 minutes from a company that I'd worked for for 10 years. | ||
| So that certainly cost me dearly. | ||
| I might say that I've flown some fun airplanes and had some fun after that. | ||
| So it wasn't a total loss. | ||
| I went on to fly the DC-8 for some different companies and really enjoyed myself. | ||
| But that was basically what happened. | ||
| John, there have been a couple times during your long investigative years when I know that you've sort of shut down. | ||
| For a time, you did no interviews at all. | ||
| And I think perhaps you did one during that period with me. | ||
| Other than that, you shut down completely. | ||
| And I wonder if that was a result of this kind of pressure or you just felt you had gone as far as you could go or got discouraged over the whole thing or what led to that sort of shutdown for a while. | ||
| What leads to that shutdown is it's so overwhelming, the truth of it all, the hugeness of it, the reality of it. | ||
| When it hits you that it's all so real, sometimes you can't handle it. | ||
| Like there have been several people that I've talked to at the test site that have worked up there, and there's very, very few of them that are in to the extent where they know about the government's dealing with the extraterrestrials. | ||
| They'll quit the program and they'll say, I don't want anything more to do with it. | ||
| I don't want to hear about it. | ||
| I don't want to see anything. | ||
| I want to retire and live out my life in peace. | ||
| It just becomes so overwhelming what's going on. | ||
| And that's essentially what happened to me. | ||
| And yet you've come back. | ||
| Yeah, I come back because I get phone. | ||
| You know, you're out of it for two or three months or three or four months and then you kind of wonder what's going on. | ||
| You make a call and you hear about some neat new thing that's going on. | ||
| And it pulls you right back into it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Back into the deal, you know. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I want to deal briefly with the cover-up aspect of it. | ||
| Everybody thinks there is a cover-up. | ||
| If indeed all this is going on, there has to be a cover-up. | ||
| Timothy Goode wrote Above Top Secret, the implication of it, and they covered it on the UFO report on Fox last night. | ||
| A couple of presidents, people in high places, have tried to get this out, but even presidents, according to this report last night, have been denied, and actually requests denied. | ||
| Whoever knows about all this is keeping it very, very close indeed if a president of the United States can't pry it loose. | ||
| Well, first of all, the president of the United States does not have a very high security clearance. | ||
| He's an elected official, and the people who run this have a tremendous disdain for both elected and appointed officials. | ||
| Those people aren't in office long enough, first of all, to be vetted to get a security clearance, and most of them are not in, so they don't get it. | ||
| So one of the misconceptions that people have is they think that Top Secret is a big clearance. | ||
| They'll say, well, I know Colonel so-and-so in the Air Force, and he had a Top Secret clearance, and he didn't know anything about UFOs. | ||
| Well, I'll tell you something about clearances. | ||
| Top secret is the absolute lowest you can get. | ||
| Above Top Secret, there are 28 levels of what they call Top Secret Crypto, and they're labeled Top Secret Crypto 1 through 28. | ||
| And then above that, there's 10 levels of clearances, each one higher than the other, that are names, like Umbra and Ultra and Majestic, Majestic being the highest of all clearances. | ||
| The President of the United States holds around, not exactly, but around Top Secret Crypto 17. | ||
| They tell him basically what he needs to know. | ||
| The President of the United States makes decisions on information that is fed to him by the CIA and NSA, DIA, and various other groups. | ||
| He doesn't look at raw data that comes in. | ||
| He gets summaries of information, and those people just feed him the information that they want him to make decisions on. | ||
| And that's the only information he gets. | ||
| He really doesn't have a need to know all this stuff, although as far as the extraterrestrials and UFOs, they tell him a little bit. | ||
| They say, yeah, we have some saucers, and yes, we have some dealings, but that's about it. | ||
| So basically, that's how it goes. | ||
| The President of the United States does not have a need to know to run the day-to-day stuff. | ||
| He's merely a figurehead as far as running our country. | ||
| All right. | ||
| This implies, then, an ongoing, literally, I guess, I hate to use the phrase because it's such a catchphrase, but a secret government, a government that transcends presidential administrations that come and go and holds some very important information always to itself. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| Certainly. | ||
| And that was set up by President Truman in 1947. | ||
| It was called the MJ-12. | ||
| He initially appointed the 12 persons that were part of that secret government. | ||
| They were various intelligence, military, and scientific personnel to basically study the recovered saucer and the implications of it. | ||
| And then when Eisenhower was elected in 1952, he felt that the secret was so important that he gave essentially the teeth to MJ-12 to actually make the major decisions of the country based on what they had found out. | ||
| And Eisenhower essentially regretted what he did in 1960. | ||
| He made a talk, made a speech in which he said, beware of the military-industrial complex, which he himself had created by giving MJ-12 so much power. | ||
| For those persons who believe or who don't believe that MJ-12 exists, my source I will release when that person dies. | ||
| He's one of the top military figures of this country. | ||
| He is going to have a long wait, do you suppose? | ||
| It will not be a long wait. | ||
| And when he does pass away, I will tell you my source for the existence of MJ-12, which I believe to be the secret government. | ||
| Well, that's going to be a big story, and I hope you'll break it here. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| Means a lot. | ||
| John, there have been remarkable rumors, rumblings, and anger about this Mars mission. | ||
| The one that just apparently, I say apparently, failed. | ||
| Here we had a craft, a billion-dollar just-about craft, with no doubt very high-resolution equipment on board. | ||
| I would think at least equivalent to our KH series of satellites. | ||
| Meaning we would have received incredible detailed photographs of Mars. | ||
| And just before the orbit insertion burn, they lost contact. | ||
| It either blew up or it transistor went belly up or whatever their latest story is. | ||
| I don't know, but I would like your... | ||
| What are you hearing? | ||
| Well, it was the same thing as the Hubble telescope failure. | ||
| Neither event ever occurred. | ||
| The Hubble telescope was looking at things which were, in effect, none of the public's business. | ||
| So they just said that it failed. | ||
| And that way they could look at things they need to do without the public saying, hey, you know, how about showing us? | ||
| We paid for this thing. | ||
| Let's see it. | ||
| And NASA doesn't want to show us. | ||
| So they say, oh, you know, it failed. | ||
| Oh, we're sending out some astronauts in a few years to fix it. | ||
| And then we'll be able to, you know, to show you. | ||
| Same thing with the Mars Observer. | ||
| They had some problems with the Mars Observer in that it was going to show some very high-resolution pictures of Mars, which we wanted to see, particularly the Sidonia region in which the so-called face on Mars exists, | ||
| which NASA says is just a trick of light and shadows, but in fact it is a huge face over a kilometer long, for some reason carved in the surface of Mars, and according to Richard Hoagland, located quite near a city. | ||
| It's my understanding from several good sources that yes, in fact, that city does exist. | ||
| It's not occupied now, but there was obviously an intelligent race on Mars far in advance to us at one time. | ||
| But anyway, the bottom line was this Mars observer was going to give us some very good pictures, and Michael Malin was in charge of the private company selected by NASA to oversee these pictures and to categorize them and all that. | ||
| Michael Malin said in the first six months he was not going to release any pictures, that after that he would release a selected dozen pictures, and that after that all the pictures would go into computer and would not be available for the public to the public and no hard copies would be made. | ||
| How can they dare do that, John, or even suggest they're going to do that when it is taxpayer money that puts it up there? | ||
| How can they do that? | ||
| And so Congress started under pressure from several groups and a lot of people started saying, now wait a minute, we paid for this. | ||
| We want to see more than a dozen pictures of Mars. | ||
| And it got to be such a problem for NASA, they effectually, you know, in effect said, well, you know, okay, then BS. | ||
| You're not going to see anything. | ||
| And they picked a point where they were going to pressurize the fuel tanks for the insertion around Mars and had everything go dead after that. | ||
| So people would say, oh, yes, they pressurized the fuel tanks. | ||
| Well, it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that they pressurized the fuel tanks and something happened and it blew up. | ||
| And so basically everybody's forgot about it. | ||
| Pictures are coming down great, beautiful, high-resolution pictures of Mars. | ||
| And the public is none the wiser. | ||
| They buy it. | ||
| They believe in NASA. | ||
| They believe in their government. | ||
| They don't believe their government would be above this kind of subterfuge. | ||
| John, there was a day when I was one of those people, and it wasn't very long ago. | ||
| And I have been disappointed again and again with the FBI, with VATF. | ||
| And so my cynical quotient, as I like to call it, has risen and risen and risen to the point where I just, I almost, John, I almost don't believe anything they say anymore. | ||
| Well, I have a good friend that we all know, I won't mention his name, who's been very skeptical of some of my claims, like when the Hubble blew up, this guy said, well, you know, those accidents do happen. | ||
| And then when we lost the Titan Force, well, these things do happen, and we lost another KH-11. | ||
| Well, you know, there are accidents. | ||
| And I was back in the East Coast doing something, and I called in, and I said, hey, what's going on? | ||
| I said, have you listened to CNN? | ||
| And I said, no, why? | ||
| He said, about the Mars Observer blowing up? | ||
| I said, oh, yeah, it's just another one of those coincidences. | ||
| He says, no, it's a conspiracy. | ||
| And I said, now, wait a minute. | ||
| Are you actually falling off the fence now? | ||
| And he says, yes, I've fallen off the fence and I can't get up. | ||
| Yeah, you're falling off the fence and I can't get up. | ||
| I guess I feel a little bit the same way, John. | ||
| I really did trust in our government for the most part not very long ago, as a matter of fact. | ||
| And it's been a long series of disappointments. | ||
| And I guess I'm a bit off the fence myself. | ||
| And a lot of things about the failure of the Mars mission, for me, don't add up. | ||
| They made noise first about the possibility of it blowing up, then they discounted that. | ||
| Latest theory is we had a bad batch of transistors. | ||
| Now, they claim this accounted also for the weather satellite, by the way, lost on the same day and one earlier mission. | ||
| That doesn't add up. | ||
| It just doesn't add up, John. | ||
| If they had lost a previous craft because of one of these transistors, they'd have tested the hell out of them, run them up to 200 or 300 times the rated value, been very sure. | ||
| In other words, it was a problem point to look at. | ||
| And then on top of all that, there's a redundant system. | ||
| So none of this really quite adds up, John. | ||
| No, but they got away with the Hubble Telescope. | ||
| They weren't sure whether the public was going to go for that. | ||
| But when they got away with that, they figured, well, we could probably get away with some more. | ||
| And basically, anything that's up there that is going to give information, they just say, well, it doesn't work. | ||
| And essentially, the public buys it because there's nothing they can do about it. | ||
| Well, yeah, space is not a precise science, and accidents will happen covers a lot of ground. | ||
| And the way that they do it is most of that information, or all that information, is downlinked to an area near Fresno, and it goes through four or five different stations before it ever gets to JPL or Houston. | ||
| So your claim is they're receiving nice, high-resolution pictures of Mars right this minute. | ||
| No question about it. | ||
| But the people at JPL and Houston honestly believe that they're not getting information because they are not part of the subterfuge. | ||
| And they cannot be part of the subterfuge so that they can give completely honest information as far as they know. | ||
| The guys that you see on TV, they don't know what's going on. | ||
| And the reason is, is because they have to give totally believable stories to the public. | ||
| All right, John, hold that thought. | ||
| We'll be right back with John Lear right after this. | ||
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