James S. Templar blends occult science with UFO claims, arguing extraterrestrials and demonic entities psychically manipulate humans—90% of mental hospital patients, he asserts, host negative energies from behaviors like drug use or promiscuity. He dismisses Christianity’s global crisis solutions, citing systemic failures, while defending pagan traditions against persecution, though critics like Gordon Scallion call his views a "manufactured religion." Templar insists self-empowerment through psychic techniques can curb violence and dependency, predicting gradual UFO disclosures to avoid societal panic. His 20-year study, fueled by sleep visions and destiny, rejects biblical evidence but frames all belief systems as tools for spiritual mastery—if wielded correctly. [Automatically generated summary]
Okay, I want to know how you tie the relationship between the UFOs, the extraterrestrials, and the spiritual beings which you believe to exist everywhere around us.
In other words, if there is, for example, a magical machine or not-so-magical machine that will heal somebody of some disease the government otherwise can't deal with, why would they suppress it, Mr. Templar?
Well, there are cures right now for all the diseases that are on this planet.
They've been doing, none of this stuff is overly new, and it's suppressed because there's very little money.
And the people that have the power don't want to give money if there is money to be made from it from someone else that has an alternative philosophy or a technique.
It's like people don't want to convert from the oil cartels into solar energies and so forth.
What fascinates me, though, is do you believe that people have a set purpose in life?
I'm fascinated that because if you look at U.S. history, it's fascinating that great people come at key times, such as Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War, great leaders we had during the put the Constitution together, Franklin Roosevelt.
Well, what you're saying, though, is that if it worked out that way, where you had, you see, if you set it for some people and didn't send it for everyone, you'd basically have loose cannons.
And it seems to me if it's set for some people, it would have to be set for everyone.
When I said, Ms. Templar, that I really had this experience, I really had it.
I have never felt it since, and I've never felt it before.
But there was no question about it.
I knew what was going to happen.
In fact, I was being forced by something or somebody to pay attention.
I'm forced.
It was as though I could not control it.
It came in waves.
All right, to Seattle, Washington on the first time caller line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning.
An enjoyable show so far.
Thank you.
And to Mr. Templar, earlier you mentioned the possibility of a connection between some of these UFO aliens and esoteric beings that have been encountered.
I was wondering if you were aware of Aleister Crowley's work with Enochian beings.
Again, yeah, there's an intermixing here that can't be ignored, and we just have to further investigate it.
unidentified
Yes, well, Crowley once drew a picture of one of these Enochian beings that he summoned, and the picture looks just like the cover of Whitley Streeber's book, Communion.
If you don't mind, for the audience, what in the world are these beings, please?
You've got to recall, we don't understand, we all don't understand what you're talking about.
unidentified
Well, Enochian, okay, Enochian beings are a class of angelic being which could theoretically be contacted by using certain magical rituals in a magical language that was discovered by John Dee, an Elizabethan magician.
Yes, but Aleister Crowley, who was a magician in the early part of the 20th century, drew pictures of these beings that he summoned, and they look just like these gray aliens that everyone is reporting that are doing the abductions.
James, when all is said and done, and all of this is over, and we finally know the truth someday, would it be your best guess that we're going to say, uh-huh, we thought these were human souls from beyond.
They're not.
It's aliens.
Or do you think we will finally discount the alien aspect of it and say, what a foolish thought.
We're the only ones here, and in fact, this is all manifestations of human souls.
Well, when you come face to face with a demonic entity, this is very scary.
You're not equipped in any of your life to how to really deal with these.
You have old texts and techniques that have been told to you, but you really don't know if these are going to work and they're going to literally rip you apart.
People have this exorcist vision of this, so you must understand there are degrees of this, but I would say that 90% of the people in there have some sort of negative energies or entities within them.
And that's because if you indulge in drugs, alcohol, promiscuous sex, and so forth, you tend to draw in negative energies.
And these pierce you to certain degrees and enter your consciousness.
You're on the air with James Templar in Las Vegas.
unidentified
Thank you, Mr. Bell.
Mr. Templar, do you think that the world government is perhaps corroborating with the aliens and using mind-altering drugs, supercomputers, cathode rays, sound emitters, and other existing technology to shape the world views?
Well, they are definitely communicating with the aliens.
How much manipulating is going on, I really don't know, but there is a lot of manipulating going on, period.
How much of these actual technologies you're talking about are being used, there tends to be everything going on, but to what extent I have really no idea.
Of those things that you have investigated, claims of ghosts, witchcraft, sorcery, magic, people who have claimed to have psychic powers and so forth, what percentage over all these years have you found to be a bunch of absolute baloney?
Well, there's so much misinformation, not only from non-occult people, but people in the occult, because they study only one little area, and they have only information coming in from one little area.
We have information coming from around the world.
We study everything.
And generally, there's a good 30% of what people think are metaphysical things happening that are not.
The question is, since you claim the occult is real, though you do offer up that there's no absolute proof, why has nobody been able to claim the James Randy or the Randy prize?
Well, generally, yeah, I believe that in the scientific realm also.
unidentified
Okay.
Then what makes you so sure that these spirits that are still lingering here are lingering here because they died violent deaths or they weren't ready to die?
Well, I mean, then you Christians should, because you've stolen every single pagan holiday that there is and named it for yourself, including building your temples on page.
unidentified
God said to conquer and occupy, and that's what we're doing.
So we conquered their holidays, and we're occupying them.
Well, you know, the bottom line with any thought form or anything.
unidentified
See, you're in the New Age movement.
I'd heard you mention God, imagery, aura, reincarnation, and what you people do in the New Age movement is try to mesh that together with Christianity.
No, I don't think people deal with Christianity at all.
Well, again, you know, they tried to, I'm sure government-sponsored, they came up with two drunken guys of a pub in England and had them make a little crop circle.
But I mean, there's hundreds of circles that pop up overnight.
There's no way anybody could do it unless there was an army out there.
If there was an army out there, then there would be all sorts of signs of it.
Mr. Templar, even here in Las Vegas, I am sorry to have to say, up on the side of a mountain here, in towers over the town, they have found signs of ritual taking place, occult satanic rituals, signs of sacrifice, the candles, the paraphernalia.
Okay, yeah, this whole, there's a small group of people that are doing negative practices out there, and it's totally overblown by the media.
Yet I haven't seen a Satanist on television that's stealing money from people who build condominiums or is getting involved in hookers like Swaggart did.
I mean, it's a very small portion, and these people ought to be watched and prosecuted if they're doing any of these.
Drink blood and eat the flesh in their ceremonies.
Baptists drink a glass of grape juice.
Now, if I was to tell somebody in my magazine that you ought to do a symbolic ritual of eating flesh and drinking blood, I'd be labeled as a Satanist and be hunted down.
Oh, don't you know we're going to give you some information.
Mr. Templar, what does your society, if somebody like this lady writes to you or calls, whatever it is you allow, what might you send her to inform her?
Well, we're saying is that there's all sorts of mysterious powers out there, and to overlook them that could possibly be some help for yourself or for society, that is, it is foolish.
We need at this time when society is in such decay, we need to look for alternatives and use them.
And these things have been around for a long time, and they shouldn't be ignored.
unidentified
And, you know, you were talking about magic kenkill.
I joke about it, have joked about it on the show, but suppose a whole bunch of people with great psychic power were to get together and try and figure out a way to psychically burst a blood vessel in the temple of Saddam Hussein.
The problem is there's a sphere of influence problem here again, because if you can do that as a group, you're changing the entire planet, and there are spirit guides that won't allow this to happen.
Mr. Templar, is it possible, indeed, that you have been deceived, that what this caller believes is correct, and one day in the end, you're going to find out that he's exactly correct?
Do you acknowledge that as a possibility, or are you surely certain that it is not so?
Why would you, with what documentation does exist, which many would claim is substantial, of the presence on earth of Jesus, consider that less likely than many of the things that you have investigated that in fact have much less documentation to support them?
He got in quickly because that's our first time caller line, and you can only call it one time, and then, of course, you've got to shift over and become a second-time caller and go in the mix.
But when you call that line, folks, you can get on rather quickly sometimes.
Area code 702-385-7213.
Let it ring until we answer.
Wildcard line three, you're on the air in Las Vegas.
You know, if Mr. Templar, you know, has I know he has some kind of understanding with these dreams.
I'm just curious to know, because I do had a few dreams, especially he mentioned about this book about the man there's something going on, that mass exodus in New York City.
And I had a dream like that a few months ago that I was driving over to Varonzano Bridge, and I discovered this crazy.
While I was going in, there was millions of people coming out, and I didn't know what the heck was going on.
And this brings back the memory, you know.
I said, that's weird, you know?
And then I had another dream one time before this earthquake in 7.6 we had here.
And about three weeks before that, I dreamt that there was a big earthquake here.
I looked out the window, and I seen everything crumbling down.
My house wasn't going down.
It was really weird.
It was a dream.
And then this actually happened, but thank God there was no damage here, you know?
So I was just curious to know if there's any kind of connection with dreams.
We have a lot of different courses on all sorts of different things that you can tell yourself.
You have to have a pen and pencil by your bed and tell yourself subconsciously when you're going to sleep that you're going to remember your dream.
And as soon as you have it, and if you wake up, you should write it down, make a whole little book out of it, and see exactly if it's just your mind or there actually is something coming through.
When I was a kid, I was convinced when my dad would turn the light off that there were, of course, like other kids, monsters in the closet, monsters under my bed.
And you're telling me, in a way, there are monsters.
There's a lot of popular literature out about monsters, evil creatures, genetic mutants, things from other planets that chew up, defile human beings, cut them up, rip them to shreds, that sort of thing.
Well, I mean, they're in contact with the government already, to a large extent.
In terms of how the regular populace will hear of them, I think it's just going to happen one day.
They're just going to announce that they've been here and the government's going to come out and say that we've known this for a long time, but now we have to because there's some major problem that may happen here.
All right, I'm going to relay this because I doubt he can hear you.
You're not very strong, sir.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Okay.
The first one I wanted to ask him or ask him to go on about here once I get off the phone is his studies on what he's doing and how it relates to the martial arts.
I believe that was mentioned during the introduction.
And second of all, I wanted to ask him a little bit about what I call premies or premonitions.
It's hard to explain, and maybe he can get it better or explain it better than I can.
When you get, you know something's going to happen, but it's not a little voice that tells you, and it's not, it's one of those things that are kind of hard to happen.
But if you become accustomed to them and act on them, a lot of times, I'd say 90% of the time, these things actually happen.
All right, sir, we're going to have to hold it there, and I'm going to enlarge.
We'll take his last one first.
People, Mr. Templar, who have learned to act on their intuition, if you want to call it that, or premonition, if you want to call it that, they've learned to cultivate it and act on it.
Are these the people in this world, Mr. Templar, who are successful and generally excel above, or are seen to be unreasonably lucky and excel?
And if you notice, if you read any type of literature and people are real successful investors and so forth, they tend to have this little voice talking to them, telling them to do this or do that.
And they feel a common thing is the gut reaction.
I feel it in my gut.
And most very successful people have went to put a heavy amount of emphasis on these areas of their lives.
And we all have this.
How many times have we reached for the phone and it rings?
Or, you know, the stories are just endless of people that feel a relative dying.
And a lot of people have saved their lives like that.
How many times have you gone into a place, whether it's a store or you're walking in a place in the dark, and you feel real negative energies from there?
Line two, you're on the air in Las Vegas with James Templar and Art Bell.
unidentified
Good morning.
Good morning.
Well, in the book of Revelation, it says that there was war in heaven, and Michael and his angels fought against the dragon and his angels.
And it also says later in that point from that Revelation chapter 12, it declares that the planet Earth is being invaded by the devil himself and the demon spirit.
You're finding convenient in the Bible, and naming is why there's something to that, you say, where it seems to support your case, but where it doesn't, you scoff.
One thing that's not widely known, I guess, unless you go into his background, is that the type of witchcraft he was involved in was, and I won't get graphic, but it was sadistic, it was sexual, it was, as a matter of fact, it was so extreme that he lost a son.
In fact, there's a story about a priest molesting children who did it here in Las Vegas back in the 60s, I think it was, and that's running in the news right now.
So it does happen.
But again, in defense of them, the priesthood, that is, There are very few that do it, and when they do, it's a great big story.
As far as I'm aware, there's never been one Satanist brought to trial that has been convicted of killing babies, doing all these things you hear about.
You know, the Christians did this to the Jews initially, and they accused them of being baby killers and everything else.
And quite frankly, Lawrence Lorshman is so ignorant in this field that they can't really judge one thing from another.
They see a little symbol and they don't really know what it means.
You know, just like last night, you were talking about the swastika and everything else, and that's a perverted symbol that the American Indians have used.
I'd like to ask Mr. Templar, as a second generation abductee, I'd like to know what a connection could be with, let's say, their little greys or small beings.
And I think you have to look at the fact that it has to do with cultural chauvinism, and it has to do with European and Anglo-people forcing their particular philosophy on people of color all over the world.
And that's the comment that I want to make, and that Americans need to do much more reading in terms of history of their country and other people's country, and also in terms of religion.
Anytime a person is not a Christian, they're considered somebody who's involved in satanic worship.
And these religions have been in existence many thousands of years before Christianity.
Lots of weapons, despite the disarmament talk and all the rest of it, Mr. Templar, could magic, could sorcery, could witchcraft, could all of these things, if properly taken up by enough, save the world?
I'm also a Christian, and I have a question for Mr. Templar.
I think he's wrong on his facts about the Christians.
And the Christians didn't do the persecuting.
Actually, the pagans did.
And what happened is in 300 A.D., King Constantine, who was a Roman citizen, merged with the Christians, and he made like a pact with Christianity.
And in doing this, the persecution that was done was done by him trying to convert the other Christians into this new belief or this new conversion that he had in 300 AD.
It is true that in the name of religion or religious differences, there are wars that go on all over the world, Ms. Templar, not just initiated or prosecuted by Christians, but by many faiths, right?
Well, the thing I'm getting to is that much of what you said in that first hour is verified or confirmed in a book called The Montauk Project by Preston B. Nichols.
Well, it's interesting because it says, you know, covers just about everything you were saying.
In addition, you might want to check it out.
It has, could you mention something really a major problem in the universe as a whole right now?
It was kind of unstable.
And it indicates in there that there is a riff in the space-time continuum between 1943 and 1983, which was a result of the Philadelphia experiment at the 43N.
Again, it's really hard to document that those actual experiments did anything.
There's a lot of different experiments going on, and there's a lot of manifestations that are going on now that are in such great quantities that something has happened between the spirit world and this regular world and the alien.
Everything is coming together as a head here.
But there are devices that have been used for many, many years that radionics-type devices and these so forth that have been proven to have all sorts of different effects.
Well, you know, it used to be the occult and science were one and the same, and that your scholars used to practice both, and that's what we need now, because we need to have different answers to things.
You're suggesting that these are indeed ancient things that were once regarded as science and slipped away from us somehow and now are only regarded by people like yourself and others who believe.
This is very true, and if you read about it, most practicing, quote, magicians or witches or whatever you want to call them were involved in all this science.
The healing of herbs and all these other things that have been proven to be effective were all mastered by these and then later lost.
On the first time caller line, you're on the air coast to coast AM with Art Bone James Templar.
unidentified
So I'd like to know Mr. Templer's thoughts on the axis shift and why are we experiencing so many earthquakes and volcano eruptions and are these two things related?
You know, again, these are theories that some people put a lot of credence in this axis shift.
I'm not really sure what's going on.
I tend not to believe that.
All these, we're getting very strange weather and we're getting very strange earthquakes, as you mentioned, and volcanoes and places that have never even had activity before.
And again, whether this is a natural evolving of the planet or there has to be some alien influences that are playing with these things to see what actually they can do is still unknown.
Literally, I've not talked with him personally, but it's amazing that there's a whole society of debunkers out there who spend their entire life trying to disprove something.
Maybe they go off their butt and prove something for once and change something instead of just standing out their pointing fingers.
We state that these are research that people have to look into these things and take the alternatives here instead of just being negative and working with the old ways of doing things that obviously are not working.
I fell asleep listening to Rush Limbaugh and when I woke up, you were talking to this James Templar, and I just wondered if he believes that these psychic mediums that are so popular, people like Sylvia Brown and George Anderson, are real or are they fakes?
Line two, you're on the air Coast Coast AM with James Templer and Art Bell.
unidentified
Yes, Mr. Templar, have you ever had the occasion to read the biography of a lady in the first part of the last century, the first half of the last century?
Well, if you ever do get a hold of her biography, it was done, incidentally, by the chief gun in the literary circles of that time, a man called Clemens Brentano.
And she saw all these things and would agree with many of your conclusions in contemplative state of prayer.
And she described briefly and in detail in some cases about the whole three hierarchies that existed.
It seems that they have experimented with the society.
And if you look at certain technology and so forth, and even the way the ancient Egyptians looked, the way they shaved their heads, they looked very much like the Greys and so forth.
But it does seem like they've used us as kind of an experiment.
unidentified
Do you foresee maybe a possible termination of this experiment, maybe according to John Lear, like around the turn of the century?
Something's going to happen coming into us in about 10 years.
We're not sure how violent or what's going to happen with it and so forth as of this time.
unidentified
Do you think that maybe human beings have become maybe something gone awry and perhaps something that the aliens or whatever might fear or perhaps dread?
Well, I don't think, you know, considering how the humans are acted in general, you know, them not having too much respect for us is pretty normal.
I mean, we're destroying this planet.
We really don't take care of anything.
Our society really hasn't built much.
So they probably look at us as a lower life form as we look at a person or an animal, I should say, in the zoo.
unidentified
Well, I understand that Our technology is advanced far enough that we might be able to do something about what's happening.
But is it true that maybe we might be just being spoon-fed the technology and that there is vast technology available to us that we're not even aware of?
In other words, a lot of the religious people are constantly calling me.
You're a listener to the show, so I know that you know it's so.
And talking about prophecy and saying, yes, these are the final days.
And here's Mr. Templer, not exactly your number one Christian, who's also saying, you know, the ball game may be over or at least severely challenged inside of 10 years.
He is president of the International Guild of Occult Sciences, College, and Research Society.
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Well, I generally don't recommend people playing with them because as I stated before, the type of spirits that are drawn in by them tend to be low-level spirits that aren't really out for the good.
There are better, quote, dissonation systems, which are fortune-telling systems that you can use that are much more reliable.
Well, some people even use it together, which is even more dangerous, but I mean, use it by themselves, I should say.
But again, you're drawing in spirits, and it's supposed to be actually moving this.
Of course, you yourself are the channel through it.
So, again, it's difficult with that special type of system, again, with getting credible information because if you've got your hands on it, you are affecting it directly.
So, it's a game, and it was popular one period of time, but it's really, you know, I wouldn't put incredibility other on it other than a party game.
Just gather yourself together and go ahead and ask.
unidentified
Okay, what I want is that, okay, like I have been having dreams and nightmares, okay?
And, like, I know it's something around me, but I don't know what it is.
But the dream that I had, like, I was going down my steps, and when I was going down the steps, like, before God, he had his arms around me, but it was this big black dog.
And this black dog was looking at me, and I told the dog, if you was a good person, you can be with God also, too.
And then God said that that couldn't possibly be my child.
And the dog looked at me.
But then after that, the dog came all the way through the back of my window, okay?
Then at that, it opened my door.
My door is always locked, so I don't know how the dog got in, but I was dreaming that the dog was over me, and I was talking in my dream, you know, and I could hear myself talking trying to wake up.
But I was saying that the dog was saying, I will get you, I will get you, you're not ready to fight, I will get you.
Well, again, you know, dreams are very unreliable.
So, you know, if you get the same dream over and over again, it may either be your subconscious or some sort of spirit being trying to warn you.
You have to, again, write these things down and see how they manifest in your life.
If you get the same over and over again, you know, something is trying to be told to you, as I said, okay, but then I have a dream that I have the next day.
unidentified
I had a dream that somebody threw a rock in my window.
And about four days after that, I had a dream that somebody put this woman.
It's like it's bad nightmares since I've been in this apartment.
Yeah, so I think this is, you know, we live in a very people have constant thought forms that are negative, and we've built a very negative environment that empowers a lot of negativity.
So it's very hard to put positive things out and to make changes because everyone is creating these negativities.
Yeah, I guess I was trying to say, again, is it not possible that these things that we regard as spirits and things from other worlds are creations of our own the negative side of our own subconscious?
A lot of people do this in the nighttime when someone's sleeping or they're most vulnerable, and you can actually implant a thought in someone's mind.
Part of these psychic helmets do the exact same thing, and you actually affect someone in their subconscious, and they believe that that's their thought.
Well, you know, the problem is being depowered, is what the problem is.
People go into perversion to empower themselves because we've given away our power to the police, to the judges, to the lawyers, to the doctors.
You're all basically corrupt.
And they've achieved absolutely nothing.
So to gain this power back that we've lost, we rape, rob, and what else perversions we can get involved in.
If you re-empowered yourself and channeled your energies into manifesting what you wanted in life, you wouldn't need to have to go through these things.
You wouldn't even need any of the services of those people.
It's by educating people to learn that they have power back, and they can actually do this through psychic techniques so they can take care of their health.
They can do it so they don't get into legal problems.
So if they want something in life, they want to be more successful, they can use their energies to be more successful.
And they won't have to go out and use a gun.
They won't have to be felt helpless and stuck in a ghetto somewhere or have to resort to drugs to find enlightenment.
If you learn how to calm your body and you learn how to get off of these, you don't won't need the highs if you learn how to properly channel your energies.
You're doing it for an escape because you're disillusioned for some reason or another.
Well, it's real difficult, but I mean, generally the way it's done pretty much from all the cases and all the authors that have written on this subject is you have to go through some hypnosis because everything is still in your mind and you have to be able to bring those out and you have protective elements that are going to allow this to come to your normal consciousness.
But still, in the realm of science, people with languages that they don't know and knowledge they couldn't possibly have would seem to be some sort of hard proof.
Okay, because I'm thinking about like the Israelites were commanded not to go after other gods, and if a prophet or a dreamer of dreams said, let's go after these other gods, that person would be stoned to death.
And I kind of didn't know how to label yourself as to what you should be called.
I mean, you know, when you were mentioning the ethnic cleansing in Serbia, I was thinking that even Israel was commanded to cleanse their nation of all these idolaters.
He's sort of like a charlatan, but tonight on sightings, they had these army guys and one girl who did this thing and came up with some incredible predictions that came true.
They went AWOL from Germany.
They were so astounded by it, and they weren't even court-martialed because the information was coming through.
I mean, you can use, you know, it's like it's a difference between being a caveman and going after a proper divination system and somebody who's more of a scientist.
There are just better ways of doing it.
Some people, like anything else, have some natural abilities.
They pulled in something interesting, and this is usually the exception rather than the rule.
Well, you know, I think that she should be cautioned for calling it malarkey, because whether it's George Greene or John Lear or any of the other UFOologists, most of them will talk of connections, some of them more extensively than others, but many of the UFOologists feel there are connections to exactly the kind of thing you're talking about, Mr. Templar.
Because I've interviewed a lot of them.
I know.
Line two, you're on the air in Las Vegas with James Templar.
We're trying to interpret all sorts of things, and it's, you know, the validity, as you said, every religion depends on a belief, just like paganism does.
And if it works for you, fine.
But to try and make it scientific, whether it's pagan or Christianity, is a fool's errand.
unidentified
Well, I think it's a lot more documented than what you're trying to make a lot of people believe in.
And I think you're leading people right down to the path of hell.
And unfortunately, you're doing a good job because you're deceiving a lot of people that happen to not have studied into it at all.
Astronomy came from the bark of a tree and everything else.
So the idea is that herbs work.
They're curing people every day.
And again, this is something that's been provided on the earth.
I mean, even the Christian Bible states that there's a healing for everything here, and that herbs are supposed to be, and that's what's the meaning of it.
Well, you mean, I'm not sure what you're talking about in terms of death in it, but astral projection is something that is another phenomenon that a lot of people claim to do.
I'm not really sure if that's real or not.
unidentified
Well, that's my point.
I'm talking about as far as you were talking about when you die, you continue.
Well, you go to some astral plane, and it depends on belief systems.
There's a whole, it's hard to prove any of these things in terms of, because it depends on your own religious background.
But generally, it seems, to put it as general as possible, that you go to some place, you learn, or you become, or you stay there, and you help influence other people.
Excuse me, my husband is talking to me in the background.
I'd like to ask Mr. Templar what he believes about reincarnation.
If he believes spirits just hang around someplace in the air waiting to be called back, or waiting for us dumb live people sitting here to ask them for information and help in our lives, what happens when again there's no black and white disease?
Reincarnation seems to be a verifiable fact by the, by the people that have been regressed, and so forth.
There are whole towns of people that seem to know each other.
There was an instance of that, that everyone in that town seems to have been connected in a past life through hypnosis and they found these things out.
There seems to be a lot of that.
You seem to go up to this plane, you learn something and then you go back down onto this uh, this plane, if you haven't learned enough to to learn more.
And I wonder, Mr. Templar, with people not having any conscious memory from alleged lifetime to lifetime in the process of reincarnation, how one is to improve or come closer to perfection, as it is said you're supposed to do, without conscious recollection of prior mistakes.
Wildcard line three, you're on the air in Las Vegas with James Templar.
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Lord, I wanted to respond to a gentleman who was finding that when he would look at someone in the back of their head, he'd get a response from them.
I had some training tapes from a private investigative college around here that was very standard, but there was one comment that they made, which was, when you're following someone, tailing someone, never look at them directly in the back of the head because we don't know why, but it gets a response from them somehow.
And the other one, the African-American-sounding lady who was having bad dreams in her apartment ever since she moved in there, I think she ought to check and see if someone was maybe killed in there or died in that particular apartment.
First of all, his point that if you're following somebody, tailing them, never ever look at the back of their head, that that will somehow tip them off psychically.
One of them is that he seems to make superstition and psychic phenomena and UFOs and pop psychology and a number of other different fields which seem unrelated.
And then he balls them into one big blue ball there, and he manufactures his own religion.
And I feel he's doing an injustice to Christianity when he says that Christians are responsible for the murdering in Yugoslavia.
Obviously, if they're Christians, they're going to follow the teachings of Christ.
And Christ has his own injunction to Christians on how to handle their enemies.
You know, I mean, these things have been baited for years.
You know, a belief system and a religion, no matter what it is, is only really good to the individual.
And if 2,000 years of Christianity have developed a group of people in an entire country that are massacring the other things, living the creed of that document, I think that.
This is Coast to Coast AM, my guest from the International Guild of Occult Sciences.
In fact, its president.
That's the International Guild of Occult Sciences, College, and Research Society.
James Templar, a very controversial individual, and as he suggests the Christians do battle, I have, for the most part, allowed you to do battle uninterrupted with him.
And it has turned into a bit of that, though we don't encourage it.
We're actually talking about all manners of the occult.
And Mr. Templar, first of all, I want to congratulate you against holding your own against these self-centered Bible thumpers that have been calling you all night that can't see past their own face.
You know, they're so self-centered, I find them very sickening.
The question I wanted to ask you was this: these aliens that are out there, for the most part, are bad.
Have they ever, do you know if they've ever monkeyed whip or fiddle with any of the satellites or equipment that we have out in outer space?
There seems some very strange things that have happened out there, and they tend to think that there has been some tests to see with these items, what they can do to these items.
Just based on what I've heard this morning, people are emotional.
And this is not a comment that I believe one way or the other.
Actually, yes, it is.
I am a Christian.
And as I'm sure you can tell, but I do understand how what you're saying, if it were actually delivered as, you'll excuse the expression, the gospel, from the government, would just scare the hell out of a lot of people.
There'd be suicides, there'd be panic, there'd be anarchy, there'd be a big mess.
Well, a lot of people, John Lear included, speculate that a lot of what's going on right now might be, in a sense, to prepare the American people for receiving that information a little bit at a time.
There was an incident up there in up around the Bay Area where a young man was killed by some cultists because he tried to get out of the cult.
And we've had problems with murders.
And as far as police know all sorts, I knew somebody that worked in the police department and said they have all sorts of documentation on murders, I mean, attempted murders, et cetera, et cetera, because of these cultists.
What I want to know is how can you defend some of these people?
Well, nevertheless, is it possible, in your estimation, for these people through sacrifice of animals or even human beings and all the awful stuff that you hear about them doing, can they get power from that, Mr. Templar?
The powers that are released from something dying are so strong that it would take masters to tap into it, and none of these people are anything more than basically perverted Cretans.
There's power there, but I mean, there's power in all sorts of negative practices which are not going to really do you any good, and you're going to pay more prices for that ultimately.
From Palm Springs to Las Vegas and back to Palm Springs.
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I don't know, Mr. Templar.
Probably in different circles.
I am a born-again Christian, and I was delivered out of occult-type thinking, Eastern religions, and I was around some people that were into witchcraft.
And I always felt a terrible, you know, depression, so forth, for myself and others.
And after I became a born-again Christian, I just saw that they did not want to be around me.
Of course, I realized I wasn't supposed to be around them either, but even before that, and I found that they really dislike Jesus and then anyone that's a Christian.
And I'd like to ask Mr. Templar why that is that people in the occult hate Jesus, actually, and people that are true followers, not just people that say they're a Christian, but that truly follow Jesus.
All right, I'm going to lead you into a bit of a trap, Mr. Templar, but come on along.
It's worthy of going to spark a good conversation.
Mr. Templar, would you say that it is true that a lot of Christians, a lot of people who believe in God and religion, and as you called them, Bible thumpers, are basically weak people with weak personalities.
They're using it as a crutch.
They're falling into it as they might fall into many other things, drugs or whatever.
In other words, they're joiners, they're followers.
They're people who grasp at something to believe and then are contented with that belief.
Would that describe a lot of Christians, do you think?
Yes, because they look for alternatives and they get BS, to put it bluntly, by bad groups, and there's plenty of them out there, and we've heard a lot of the scandals lately with them.
Even your own organization, Mr. Templar, you must, as you deal with personalities and people, realize that some of them or even many of them are in that category.
Of course, I think that's part of the human condition.
We don't present answers.
We try and give people avenues to investigate and practical tools to do something within their own framework without the least amount of dogma as possible.
I'm not going to dispute or debate your guests' beliefs, but I do have something that I would kind of like to share, and that is that on the religious basis, the church of the living God is looking forward to the rapture or taking away of the church out of this world.
And over the years, I've known about this since around 1980 or even longer because I've heard it preached throughout my life.
But what I find is interesting that your guest has confirmed what I have heard preached is that not only he has said that the negative or demonic power is more active than it was probably 20,
30, 40 years ago, but that this UFO and alien thing that's been picked up by our government and that they're involved, which I've heard preached across their pulpit because there are people that are going to be left behind in the rapture concept that because they received a naughty love for the truth of the Bible,
that they will be deceived.
And I always thought, well, what is, you know, whenever this does happen, what is going, you know, how is the government going to explain that?
And it has come over across the pulpits for several years now, and even I've confirmed it.
You know, what I'm studying is that through the alien invasion of UFOs, and this man thinks that something is going to really happen within 10 years.
And I, too, am struck by the remarkable similarities between those you've been battling with for most of the night yourself in terms of general prophecy, Mr. Templar.
The Christians, well, you know what they believe.
We don't need to run over that.
And I've heard what you believe, and there are remarkable similarities in the chronology of what both groups seem to believe.
So there's ways of fighting, there's ways of doing things, and I always believe in a warrior's philosophy myself.
And the idea is to make sure that if we're going to go, we go with a sword in our hand.
But the reason why there's similarities is, as I stated at the beginning of the program, it's pretty documentated that all of the Christian sources are mimics of all the pagan sources that go back thousands and thousands of years before them.
Well, there are enough similarities that perhaps somebody sitting out on the edge, not necessarily a fully religious person or a person believing in what you believe in, might actually become alarmed that the two groups seem to agree so much on something big coming soon.
Now, how about that?
Line one, you're on the air with James Templar in Las Vegas.
Hi.
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Yes, I got one question for you, Mr. Templar.
Can you hear me?
Yes.
Earlier, a young man or a man was talking to you about the Bosnian disaster and the Christians.
And he made the differentiation between what true Christians believe and what these people are doing.
You did not make that distinction.
On the other hand, when people confront you about occultists, you say...
I was sick and some type of spiritual being came to me.
I'm a Christian, but I also go by your understanding as well of what's going on with this world.
But getting back to it, this being had told me that everything that was going on in my life that was bad, that was disruptive to me, would all change and that I would have to walk away from a marriage because that was one of the things that were bad.
Did you walk away from a marriage after getting that message?
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After I had had this so-called spiritual thing or whatever it was, I had confronted my wife and explained to her one of the last things that this being of some sort had he, I don't know if it was speaking to me or, like he was saying, you know, Tinetic Energy, had told me to leave my marriage first thing.
It also had said that a lot of changes would happen in my life that would just totally traumatic me as well.
I have to stop you and ask, how'd your wife react offhand when you told her about this?
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She was devastated for one.
For another, she thought I was freaked out of my head.
But as I explained to her everything that this spiritual thing had spoken to me, one of the last things that it said that I was going to receive a baby girl.
And this is my first time calling out a talk show, but I wanted to ask Mr. Templar about some things that happened in my life since this happened in ninth grade, which is probably about, I think, about eight years ago now.
But I met this person, and when I met this person, I dreamt about meeting this person.
And you mentioned drugs about a couple of, like an hour and a half ago, two hours ago, about spiritualism.
Hello?
Yes.
What was that about what in spiritualism?
Drugs.
You mentioned drugs.
Yes, briefly.
Well, I experimented with LSD or acid, and this was in 10th grade.
And when I experimented with this drug, this person was with me, this particular person, this is my friend.
And when I saw at that time, I thought it was a hallucination since I had taken drugs, LSD.
This person came, when I was talking to the person, I'd never experienced anything like this.
This image came at me.
And I described the image as these red eyes and this face and this hair.
I saw this image coming from his face.
And as I talk about it right now, I'm still shaky, kind of.
But I thought it was just because of the drugs.
But the thing, two years later, he called me up, and we were talking, and he told me that he had a girlfriend, and his girlfriend came into the room where he was.
And he said that she, her schizophrenic, excuse my language, I'm Asian.
But she said when she came in there, she saw the same thing I had seen when I was on drugs, the LSD.
And I want to know if, I mean, this person, I've always thought this person was really evil.
And he believes he's evil too.
And he just doesn't seem to be a normal person.
His parents, when I first met this person, his grandmother and his mom told me that they thought he was evil too because when he was a little child, that he used to take off his grandmother's wig because she had wigs, she had a disease, and used to save all kinds of bad language inside like a grocery store and say, look at my grandmother, she's a blank, blank, blank.
I do want to ask a question, though, that I hope you'll answer honestly.
It's everybody's just say no to drugs, of course.
But to follow up on what he started with, LSD and other hallucinogenics, would you regard these as simple chemical hallucinogenics, or does a strong hallucinogenic give you an enhanced Possibility of walking through the door to something else.
That's true, and I suppose that would be way too far to interest you in the sense that there would be that confusion and less possibility of scientific verification.
I think I have no problem with that, and most all the guests that I've had on, sir, have been Christian or very religious people.
So if anything, this is the unusual, not the usual.
Do you have a question?
unidentified
Well, no, I just had a recommendation.
I think that the Christian Research Institute would be happy to send someone that would be a guest on your show.
If you had, like, the president of the Christian Research Institute, I think your listeners would benefit a lot more than an occultist or a sorcerer or whatever.
I understand the point of view, and I thank you for the call.
And indeed, it might be fun.
That is to say, if that's our twisted idea of fun, and it is mine sometimes, Mr. Templar, to have somebody on who would take you on directly, as this gentleman suggests.
I pinned him up on that one a little bit, and he resorted to saying, well, it's education, presumably education in the occult sciences or occult beliefs.
unidentified
Well, now, if we call the 800 number, can we get some guidance or information about how I really think that there needs to be a concerted effort put forth so that 10 years from now we don't blow up or whatever.
That's exactly what we teach people, and that's why we are a quote college, and we teach people, we have courses, etc., of how to do things to change your life for the better, and that's what we're trying to do.
Yes, everything we have is geared up to correspondence courses because we are an international group and we service people everywhere on the planet.
unidentified
Well, I hope a lot of the listeners tonight on your program are concerned about this and get together and learn what these ways of fighting this are and do you know try to save our world?
KVI went to their morning show, I suppose, at 5 a.m.
Anyway, you're on the air with Mr. Templar.
unidentified
Well, it's about reincarnation.
I wanted to know a couple of things.
One, if he believes that if we come back, can we come back as other beings other than human, like animals or something?
And also, supposing something were to happen to the earth and all life was to cease to exist, where would all the spirits go since they couldn't come back?
Well, I understand Jimmy Swaggart stated to come back as a snail.
But generally, there is some, you know, again, there's no great proof of all this.
From what we can tell, most people reincarnate once they reach a human form as humans.
Obviously, in India, they believe that you can actually reincarnate as anything, and that's one particular view.
But, of course, since we don't have any way of communicating with animals to any great extent, there has been no proof whatsoever that you can come back other than a human.
Well, you know, if you can either be destroyed, and if you have a real negative and you don't learn, there is a dump heap that supposedly where people are destroyed that have no use.
Other ones can stay in a learning in the astral plane, and eventually, whatever happens, we don't know if there's parallel worlds they can go to, but even if this world is destroyed at some period of time, you've got to remember you're thinking like a human.
You know, a day in a hundred or a thousand years in the spirit realm means nothing to them.
Line two, you're on the air coast to coast AM with James Templar and Art Bell.
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Hi.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi, I've only been listening since 5 o'clock, so I feel like I missed a lot of good stuff, and I'm sorry.
You did?
I did.
I probably missed what I wanted to know, but since 5 o'clock, I noticed that, and I wondered if you noticed this, whenever it comes to anything spiritual, Christians seem to get all undone and afraid, and they question it, and they don't understand it.
And my idea of Christ was that he was trying to constantly teach us and impress upon us how spiritual we are.
Anytime you challenge anybody's belief system, their faith, what they believe to be faith and true, you're going to engender the kind of comments that we've had this morning.
People are going to be upset, angry, not at all tolerant, and think you are the heel of the world.
unidentified
But I hear him saying that we are spirit, that this is about spiritual stuff.
And then we're supposed to be spiritual.
And, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, that's the best part of us.
That's our true being is our spiritual side, our worldly side.
And I wish you to return those to me, hopefully, with hope and faith.
Yo.
The man is, may I talk to Mr. Trembler?
I'm here.
Hi.
Hello.
I'm very interested.
I'll be calling your number.
I've had some experiences.
What happens when you keep running into people that you don't want to run into, and you know, invariably, the more you try to avoid them, this may be in a town, okay, you run into them.
Well, in a cult terminology, they call that a cross-condition, which means somehow you have this negative energy hanging around you, and you have to release it because you draw these people to you.
There are certain people like that that you can be in in a restaurant somewhere.
Okay, if you get it in quickly, because we're almost out of time here.
unidentified
Okay, well, you know, I always hear Chris was referred to about the religious gets and the Jimmy Swaggart type, but I just want to say there's thousands that go out and feed hungry people and help people get off drugs.
Well, that's not quite peacepipe, but it's close anyway.
Line three, you're on the air.
unidentified
Good morning.
Good morning, Art.
I wanted to ask your guest: does he feel that the Bible personally has been edited down as far as attaining the greatest control measures in this document?
And through long-distance phone calls to the Association for Her Breed, I located one, got one, and the strangest thing, she does really unusual things that the other one that was poisoned did.