John Lear, aviation insider and son of Learjet founder William P. Lear Sr., claims aliens recovered nine craft at Area 51’s Area S4 in the late 1980s, using them as "containers" for human souls or biological materials, while Bob Lazar details their gravity-wave propulsion via unstable, high-numbered elements like 115/114, undetectable by conventional science. Lazar witnessed silent takeoffs and dismissed cold fusion, though he admits replication is possible with Earth’s missing resources. Callers describe fireballs, space-bending objects, and failed energy experiments—Lear and Lazar reject fringe theories but confirm humanity’s role as an alien experiment, monitored through abductions. The episode leaves lingering questions about hidden tech and extraterrestrial motives, underscoring Lazar’s credibility despite his avoidance of public scrutiny. [Automatically generated summary]
In industrial design in college, then pursued his aviation career flying airplanes, seaplanes, colliders, gyroplanes, helicopters, balloons, and fighter-type aircraft.
While attending high school in Switzerland, Lear became the youngest American to climb the Matterhorn in Zurman.
In 1968, he pylon raced a Douglas B-26 Invader in the Reno Air Races, the largest aircraft ever raced at Reno at the time.
At age 28, he was one of the youngest Boeing 707 captains to fly in commercial airline service.
A former Nevada State Senate candidate, John is the son of William P. Lear Sr., designer of the Learjet executive aircraft, the 8-track stereo, and founder of Lear Incorporated, now Lear Siegler Corporation, a large defense contractor.
Lear has written extensively about airplanes and other subjects and was Middle East correspondent for Combat Illustrated between 1975 and 1977 while stationed in Beirut, Lebanon with a cargo airline.
Although Lear's father was outspoken in his belief of the existence of extraterrestrial visitors, to the great concern of the Pentagon, by the way, particularly because Lear Sr. was head of a large defense contracting company, John only became interested in the subject himself seven years ago after talking with an Air Force pilot who was stationed at Bentwaters Air Force Base near London,
England, where three small aliens were photographed by the Air Force, actually photographed by the Air Force, walking up to Wing Commander General Gordon Williams.
Lear's extensive worldwide civilian, military, and intelligence contacts have made it easier for him to penetrate the secrecy surrounding the subject of UFOs.
Then, in 1988, John became acquainted with a government scientist who worked at Area S4, part of the super secret Area 51 at the Nevada test site.
The scientist was a member of the most classified government research team then in existence.
It was their job to research and try to duplicate the propulsion system of nine recovered alien aircraft in storage at the Nevada test site.
Maria is an amateur astronomer and photographer and has won several awards for his photos taken during his worldwide travels.
He owned and campaigned the 12-meter America's Cup boat Soliloquy out of Marina Del Rey, California for two years.
He is vice president of the Generals Ward and Chennault Post No.
1, the Soldier of Fortune Post of the American Legion, and a member of the Special Operations Association.
John currently is chief pilot for a cargo airline, flies Boeing 727s throughout the Caribbean and South America.
Lear has four daughters, lives in Las Vegas with his wife, Marilee, a former actress and youngest daughter, Jacqueline, 15.
His hobbies include gardening, carpentry, and UFOs.
I added the last.
And so away we go without any further introduction, and that just about did it.
John, there's been an awful lot of stuff going on, and that's mainly why I had you back besides the general discussion, which we always end up in.
There's a whole bunch up I want to ask about.
Number one is my sighting.
Now, I don't know whether you've heard anything about this or not, but I'll tell you, John, I really did see a couple of things that may be nothing more than, you know, fallen something or others.
But on my way in from Peron toward Las Vegas, I have now seen in three different times what I don't know what it was, John.
It looked on the one hand a little bit like a falling star.
I watched, I don't suppose you had to see sightings last night, did you?
No, I probably sightings last night did a little segment on angels.
And I hate to start in on this so early, but they commissioned the Gallup people to do a poll and ask the American people how many, by percentage, believe in angels.
This will surprise you.
65% of the American people, according to Gallup, believe in angels.
Well, it lays in a sense, because if that many people could believe in angels, I would think that also a very, very high percentage could believe that these UFOs are more than just something identified.
The Associated Press, a couple of days ago, John, reported on a very close call for Earth.
At first, I thought that it was an old report, but then they began to say, as we slept last night, a two-mile-wide asteroid passed within two million miles of Earth, which they considered to be just close within a cosmic brink.
And I note that in all of these, and there have been several instances like this lately, John, they always tell us about it after it has passed.
Remember, a couple years ago, they got Dan Quayle head of some deal that was supposed to look out in space and see if there are any asteroids headed this way.
And you're pretty confident that because they have officially closed this, which was my reference the other day, that they will not, upon hearing what you've just said, reopen it or there'll be cries to reopen it?
No, I don't think so because they'd have to let Rushbucker testify, and he's the SR-71 pilot that brought him back, and they just don't want to get into it.
Hurricane Southwest, I'm Martell, back with John Lear in a moment.
And I responding to what John said, and I know John's listening right now, I regard the possibility of aliens and UFOs in the same way, I guess, I do, as the existence of the Creator.
And that has always been a problem for me.
I'm probably an agnostic.
I would say an agnostic.
People will call me and tell me, you must admit the presence, you must accept him.
And I know all that.
I've heard all that a million times.
But I'm the kind of person that has such a hard time accepting something I can't put my finger on, something that I can't prove.
And I'm still that way.
And that leads me into a position where I appear to vacillate back and forth.
And I do.
I can't say that our Lord exists.
I hope he exists.
I believe he exists.
But in terms of absolutely my being able to say he exists, I don't know that I can.
And the same thing applies with UFOs, which I have never seen.
Anyway, we'll get back to it in just a moment.
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Here we are again.
I'm sure you heard what I had to say at the top of the hour.
And it is kind of that way, John.
I just am not an absolute believer nor a disbeliever.
My mind is open.
I am impressed with the number of sightings and the things that we've talked about.
In fact, it's frightening.
But without hands-on, you can't make that final, or I can't, I should say, make that final step, that leap to, yes, they exist.
Yes, Mr. Lear, do you believe that there may possibly be some sort of an invasion where they are taking over phone line flat messages over televisions and so forth?
Every time you file up the modem, you activate automatic monitoring equipment.
I work for a large telephone network that routinely monitors modem and fax transmissions.
They view whatever is transmitted, even encrypted data.
Your government allows this under the heading maintenance monitoring in the FCC rules.
Monitoring can continue for six months without legal procedure.
The rules are part of an obscure pre-World War II action by the FCC's predecessor agency saying no information may be encoded or transmitted over public or private forms of telephone or radio with the exception of government agencies involved in national security.
This comes, by the way, from a fellow ham radio operator who works for a company that does this kind of work up in the Bay Area, so he knows what he's talking about.
And I guess just about everything certainly is monitored.
Have you ever been concerned about that, John, on a personal basis?
Certainly if I were in the government, I think I would monitor John Lear very carefully.
No, I don't worry about it because I know what goes on.
In 1987, just after my series of lectures here, and I appeared on TV a couple times, I have a couple of teenagers here, and the Centel guy was up here putting in some phones, and he came in one morning and said, hey, John, do you know your phone's tapped?
And I said, really?
And he said, do you want me to find out where?
And I said, yeah.
So he went out, and he came back about a half an hour later, and this guy said, you know, I went from behind your house up to the pole, then I went over to Monroe Street and then down to Hollywood Boulevard and then down to Nellis and down to Bonanza.
And he says, it's further than that.
He said, I'll be back in a little while.
I want to check what's going on.
So he didn't come back until the next morning.
And when he came back, he said, John, I can't talk to you anymore.
And I said, what are you talking about?
He said, I'm going to be on another route.
He said, what happened is I got traced to your phone cap to the mainframe at Centel.
And he said, I went to the FBI, and the lady there said that if I didn't like my job, I could quit.
He said, so I went home last night, thought about it.
I went into work this morning and that same lady was walking out of my boss's office and said the same thing to me.
So they made it very clear that if I made any noise, that I wouldn't have my job.
Wildcard line 3, you're on the coast to coast to him without Bell and John Lear.
Good morning.
Good morning, Art.
Where are you calling from, sir?
I'm calling from Mesa.
Mesa, Arizona, yes, sir.
All right.
I'd like to ask him if it would surprise him to know that Clinton's mother's maiden name was Rockefeller and that his real name was William Jefferson, B-L-Y-T-H-E IV.
Well, I don't know about the New World Order, but there are some very strange things going on.
By the way, for the guy who wanted Rustbacher's address, you can write to his wife.
Her first name is R-A-Y-E-L-A-N Ray Ellen Rustbacher, R-U-S-S-D-A-C-H-E-R.
And it's post office box 3078 Carmel, California.
And the zip is 93921.
And she's trying to help get him out.
But back to Somalia.
It certainly is a strange area.
I was back there in 1977 during an arms airlift there when we went in after the Somalis kicked the Russians out.
And we wanted that Berbera, that deepwater port on the Red Sea.
And what happened is that the Somalis traditionally had been supported by Russia and the Ethiopians where they were fighting were traditionally supported by the West.
But they didn't have any ammunition, but they had the guns.
So since there changed different sides, we had to get the Russian, or what they call East Bloc ammunition to the Somalis.
So I was in an airlift that left from Hungary through Saudi Arabia down there.
It went on for a month, I think three or four months, taking ammunition down there so that they could fight the war.
They claim absolutely no national security interest whatsoever, purely humanitarian.
And I'm sure they would say the same thing if Bosnia is our next object of attention.
I have felt rather manipulated all the way through this, John, as though we saw all the pictures of the starving and we were emotionally worked up and they prepared us.
The media literally prepared us for what we're now doing over there.
You know, the exact same question that you just asked was asked by Senator Robert Byrd, who's the chairman of the Senate House Appropriations Committee.
And he went to the Deputy Secretary of Defense and said, hey, what is that airplane that goes Mach 8?
We don't see anything in the budgets.
Now, Senator Byrd is one of 16 people who is allowed to see everything in black budgets.
So the Senate, so Byrd sent out a guy to Las Vegas here last Saturday with Dick D'Amato, senior legislative aide.
And he was going to make a surprise trip to Groom Lake, and he told us that, you know, if there was stuff going on and it wasn't through the normal budget, that he was going to pull the plug on Area 51.
So he goes up there on Monday to Groom Lake to tour around and see if any of that stuff is there that we are saying is there, namely Aurora, S4, the discounted S4, the new unfunded secret airport called Sandia next to Paiute Mesa.
And he went up to Groom Lake.
As fate would have it, it was snowed in that day, and they told him that they couldn't take him anywhere because of the snow.
He said he wanted to go down to S4 and they said, oh, you've been talking to a Baldazar guy, huh?
So apparently he's going to go back in two weeks, and they said that they would take him down there in two weeks, but they wouldn't find anything.
They told him that there was nothing there.
So I imagine two weeks will give him enough time to move stuff out.
I don't have anything against black budgets or anything against secret projects, but when you consider the American taxpayer is footing the bill for these operations and all likelihood is paying two or three times the real cost for the legal budget programs to support the black budget programs, you know, you might want to know who the enemy is that we're really preparing to fight.
I'm thinking the Christian thinking is if this thing came out the way that you're talking, all the Christians, or a good percentage of the Christians, would probably have a second thought about Christ.
And that is the reason that the government is kind of holding this back.
Well, that's that could be both because I try to see how to do this aspect because it's just I should not promote, you know, if you want to talk about God the amplifiers and anybody that can, that's what I want to talk about.
I believe in Jesus Christ, but I still am open-minded to these UFOs and what have you.
But I'll stand by here and listen a little bit more of this program or watch it on television if I'm doing through the satellite.
So I appreciate the call.
All right, Jerry, we appreciate your call.
Thank you very much.
It is inevitable that people want to mix the religious aspect into it somehow.
And there really is.
It's just that when we don't talk about it, it really gets a lot of people angry, which is exactly why the government release all this information, isn't it?
No, it's tough to believe when you figure out what the odds are, either there's too general belief that we evolved from matter that fell out of a, you know, out of a comet and landed in the sea, and then you started off with the slime, and then something crawled up on the beach, and he eventually evolved from there.
I mean, there's only, that we know of in 18 billion years, the greatest odds that you can think of wouldn't have permitted man to have genetically come from that kind of a sequence of events.
The other is that the man was made out of clay.
So you can pick those, or, as Gene Huff says, you can be an externalist and believe that we were modified by an external factor.
All right, this brings me to something else then, John.
All of these abductions, these cattle mutilations, it kind of gives credibility to what you've said, because if we are, in effect, an experiment, surely those conducting the experiment would, from time to time, need information to continue the experiment, or decide not to, heaven help us.
And so then would that be the reason for the abductions?
Right, that might be the very reason for the abductions.
All of the abductions are kind of a medical exam.
They put something here and put something there, and sometimes it's painful, sometimes it's not, but that would, you know, they're checking to see how the experiment is going and whether it's time to clean out the petri dish or not.
All right, wildcard line three, you're on the coast to coast aim with John Leonard Bellheim.
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Good morning.
John, look, I'm not being personally argumentative, it's just that I have a set of ideas too, and I kind of think it's challenging to think this way because we all want answers.
But how would you explain near-death experience?
And that would be my first question.
Secondly, you say not to turn it into religion.
I've never been religious per se, like I don't go to church, and I don't believe in that.
But I have a very strong sense of a God figure for many other reasons.
And having been an atheist when I was young, read a lot of books by people who gave me better answers than a Bible as far as actually could man create God or God create man.
And I'm a real strong believer, okay, in a beginning and a creator.
I would say that as far as they go, I don't say they're not real.
I've never explained, even on our Delta show, my experience with it.
It's my personal opinion that the soul goes on forever and ever.
And that when you depart this body, there is a short time when you can see down and see what's going on before you go to wherever it is we go.
Now, reincarnation was something that Jesus taught.
But at the first meeting of Nikai, I think, which shows in 325 AD, and then there was also a meeting in Constantinople in 1200 A.D., they modified what we call the King James Version of the Bible.
They took a lot.
As a matter of fact, they really took about 95% of what Jesus taught out of there.
One of the things they took out was you can see down and see what's going on before you go to wherever it is we go.
Now, reincarnation was something that Jesus taught.
But at the first meeting of Nikai, I think, which was in 325 AD, and then there was also a meeting in Constantinople about in 1200 A.D., they modified what we call the King James Version of the Bible, and they took a lot.
As a matter of fact, they really took about 95% of what Jesus talked out of there.
One of the things they took out was the idea of reincarnation.
I do personally believe in that, and I believe the soul goes on and on and on.
So that's the answer, or what I think the answer is to the near-death experiences.
And his decision was, does he put one kid in each barrel and let the dragon eat him?
Or does he get in the one barrel himself and try and put the other two in there or what?
And this was one of the experiments, and I don't remember how it came out, but this is one of the experiments they do in trying to either understand or experiment with emotion.
Well, we're plotting a lot of new territory this morning.
It's very, very interesting.
Let's pick up another call quickly.
Wildcard Line 3, you're on the Air Coast Coast and with John Learn Art Bell High.
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Thank you.
Thank you, Art.
I have two quick questions, and I'll listen to them off the air.
Number one, what these people that have been abducted by aliens and been experimented on, have they ever suffered ill effects when they get back to Earth from the medical experiences?
Second question, has John Lear ever known many Navy aviators and has he ever had a desire or has he ever landed on an aircraft carrier?
Interestingly, our own government has recently announced that it has begun a program of gathering first on the military and then probably others, blood samples for genetic recording.
He said that at one time you had stated you thought that perhaps something would become apparent to the American people in about six months or something would start happening.
And one morning at 9 o'clock, my son and I were going out to take the trash out, and over a junior high school on the western side of town, we saw an object that was somewhat triangular and hovering, and it hovered for 39 minutes.
It changed its attitude a number of times.
It shined bright lights on us, and it changed its color a couple of times.
It went up, it went down, it went diagonal back again.
We watched it for a long time.
I had two radio towers, two airplane towers on the, I had two phone lines in the house, and this time I wish I could see it.
They wanted to see it.
And I could see no one saw this tower from my home.
I told this story to a couple of people, two of which were in the Air Force, and they both cautioned me never to tell the story to anyone again.
AIDS looks like it's going to end up taking an awful lot of people out, John.
And I guess it is your view that AIDS, which is a unique genetic bonder of cells, I mean so unique as to almost be impossible, you would think, engineered, engineered by humans, engineered by aliens, purpose, what do you know?
Well, it's my personal opinion that it was engineered by the government, specifically the U.S. government, that it was specifically an accidental release.
It was specific.
It was first released in Africa in, I think, 1975 through the smallpox vaccine that was released through the AIDS virus.
And then it was released in the United States, I think, in 1978.
They specifically wanted to infect a large number of people, but I don't know why.
Well, when you say population reduction, it seems that they want to infect people, but it would certainly seem that there would be a better, a faster way of getting rid of large numbers of people.
We would, suppose they did infect everybody in the next five years.
AIDS doesn't kill immediately.
It takes one to ten years, and you would certainly overtax the hospital's ability to respond to so many people long before you'd be seeing a number of deaths.
When I first got into this, what they call upology, I found out that to be accepted by the mainstream, you had to disregard Billy Myers, Damsky, George Damsky, Howard Minger, and various contact case.
But when I started really looking into it, all those guys were telling the truth.
Billy Myers, I even went on TV and I said it was a fraud.
And six months later, I had to come back and say, hey, wait a minute, I've looked at this thing.
I cannot find anybody who can tell me why it's a fraud.
On the other hand, I can look at the moving pictures and say, that looks real.
And hear the interviews with Billy Myers and say, yes, yes, that did happen.
I can't explain it.
I don't know who they are.
They say they come from the Pleiades.
I have no reason to believe they didn't.
So, yes, I believe that the Billy Myers case is a true case.
And that would Probably answer your question of the Pleiades.
I tried to hold on to that figure and maybe tackle him in order.
All right.
I want to ask my audience something, John.
I'd like to give some of the people you talked about at the beginning of the program who have seen these craft, including Bob Lazar, an opportunity to call in.
So I'm asking everybody on the first-time caller line to please hold your calls.
Please hold your calls.
And if Bob Lazar or any of the other people that John spoke about are out there, please try to call us at area code 702-385-7213-7213.
I mean, this sounds really far out, but it's a known scientific fact that the closer you are to a strong gravity force, the slower time moves.
Time, gravity, and space are all intertwined like that.
In fact, there was a famous experiment that was done.
Two synchronized atomic clocks were placed side by side.
They were at the same time, and one was put at sea level, the other was put up either in a plane or a high mountaintop.
I don't recall which.
And when they were brought back together, they both lit different times.
That was because of the change in gravity.
One was sort of over to that area near the event horizon or somehow was able to survive it, spent a second there, you could come back to Earth and a billion years could have elapsed.
You know, the time reference has completely changed.
So the whole key is distorting gravity, creating a strong gravitational field, which in fact is how the crafts, these crafts they have at F4 are powered.
I don't know, and I don't believe anyone does know.
There just isn't enough information about black holes to come up with that answer.
As a guess, you know, you look at it from a physical standpoint, gravitational tidal forces entering the black hole should absolutely obliterate anything that even comes near it.
But, you know, stranger things have happened and maybe not.
How much technology are you missing aside from the gravity amplifier, the ability to make a time machine, or in fact, something that would cause you to travel through time?
Are we missing a lot of other technology, or given the gravity amp, could you go from there?
I worked on one particular craft that I called the sport model because of its very sleek appearance.
Specifically, like I mentioned before, there was a small reactor that was removed from the craft, and we essentially back engineered it.
What we needed to do was find out not only how it worked, but also very important to the project was to see if this technology could be duplicated.
One of the main problems in any kind of aircraft was power.
And with a tremendous amount of power, you can basically do anything.
And here's a reactor that operates many times more efficiently than a fission reactor or more efficiently than a fusion reactor, which we haven't even developed yet, ever could.
And it supplies a tremendous amount of power, and this is essentially where we decided to start from, was to work from here and then go on.
But in all the time that they had this and the time that I spent there, the short time that I spent there, really, there's just not a lot you can do.
I mean, I can only imagine they would lead you in, these guys with their little badges and so forth, and they would lead you into the area you're going to be working on these things, and you must have looked at them and said, you've got to be kidding.
Yeah, the fuel was, well, let me digress for a moment here that there are three types of nuclear reactions.
One's a fission reaction, which everyone's familiar with.
It's essentially how atomic bombs work.
It's the splitting of atoms and causing a chain reaction.
It releases X amount of energy.
Another more efficient reaction is a fusion reaction, which releases a little more energy.
Both of these, for instance, when put in bombs, whether the thermonuclear, the hydrogen bomb, or the fission bomb, an atomic bomb, they use about nine-tenths of one percent of that fuel gets converted into the actual explosive energy.
Now, if you really think about that, when you're dealing with a plutonium bomb, for instance, you're dealing with, oh, somewhere on the order of about eight pounds of plutonium, which is about the size, a little bigger than a golf ball.
Now, eight tenths of one percent of that makes that giant explosion that you see.
All the other material is wasted.
That's how efficient that explosion is.
Now, an annihilation reaction, which is a conversion, the direct conversion of matter to energy is 100% efficient all the time.
And you can see if that were put into a bomb.
I made a tape explaining this so I didn't have to.
So what was it that these What was it that these scientists came up with that caused the bubbling and the heating and the, you know, the apparent creation of energy?
And interestingly enough, it's a stable element, and those familiar with the way the periodic table works, elements go as they get higher and higher on the periodic chart, they become less and less stable and begin to decay.
But this is a stable element.
And again, this isn't something that's a total surprise.
I mean, we've known all the way since the 50s and 60s, well, probably the 60s, that somewhere there's a magic combination of protons and neutrons that, again, somewhere in the higher elements will make a stable element.
Well, yeah, but Bob, why having had your hands on a disc, are you not easily able to make the leap to the greys or the blacks or any of the other 80 supposed varieties of aliens in terms of accepting their existence?
Well, some of the information has come out, especially in George Knapp's special, so I essentially spoiled my guts, said everything that happened to me, and kind of wanted to really leave it at that.
The technical information, I made a tape about for the people that really wanted to know the nitty-gritty and left it at that, and that was it.
And, you know, people would look through those two things.
You know, everything essentially that I experienced and happened was contained within those two things.
But, you know, inevitably things get screwed up and a lot of hearsay and there's an awful, 99.9% of the UFO community are crazy.
These people are just absolutely out of their minds.
And I really want to have nothing to do with them.
And they're tied in with, I mean, all kinds of strange factions of groups.
And it's really impossible to weed out any real information coming from most of these sources, these magazines, and even the larger groups.
So I really have to stay away from it.
And that gets people upset and thinks I'm trying to hide things from them.
And I'm called government agents and stuff like that.
With your continued association then with John Lear, I take it you view him in one of the top very small percentage points of those who may be onto something?
But to the casual observer, somebody like me, anything you've told me, John, about how they travel, means of propulsion, the kind of creatures they are, all the rest of this sort of thing, is underwritten or strengthened by what Bob Lazar says.
Listen, before we do, can I just tell the Colt how to get a hold of this tape that Bob put out, because he won't advertise himself.
But not really it's important, but if you do want to know about this technology and what Bob saw up at the test site, he does have a videotape available, and you can write to TriDot Corporation, that's T-R-I-D-O-T, Tri-Dot Corporation, 1324 Southeastern, and that's in Las Vegas, and it's Las Vegas 89104.
And the price is $29.95 plus $3 shipping and handling.
And if you want to know about this stuff, you just can't make a better investment.
I know Bob doesn't advertise this very much, but I think it's really important.
With the knowledge, Bob, of roughly how they work, would it be possible for somebody on this Earth to eventually, do you feel, build or duplicate that technology and build something that would do what that PowerPoint does?
I asked this question here, which is, I've been an astrologer who said that the sun over the last two years far has lost about a return to 1% of its output.
Now, while I guess the output of the sun, which is a nuclear dynamic, does vacillate a little bit.
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This seems about just in so much worse than any comments on it.
I mean, if I have a tremendous hydrogen supply, which is the fusion reduction thing to get at the helium, and you don't really have to be concerned about anything running out for probably about 3 billion years, and then at that point, there'll be some pretty dramatic changes.
Well, what bothers me with the communication, and of course there must be some in the craft, is that because of the gravitational field, everything is going to be distorted around the craft, whether it's radio waves, whether it's light waves.
And in fact, someone had asked earlier how crafts, I think they have how craft seemingly disappears or underneath it.
Well, this again is characteristic of every other amplifier that it actually pulls light around it.
For instance, I even mentioned in my tape that there are stars that are behind the sun where the sun actually blocks our view and we can see those stars.
The reason why is the sun has a tremendous amount of gravity.
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It pulls the light from the star up and around the sun so we can see it.
In these disks, when they're operating, if they're in something called an omicron configuration, if you're standing underneath the disk, you can't see it.
You can only see the sky above it by the way light is bent around the craft.
Now the way I understand this to envelop the craft, I can't see how radio waves can get into the craft.
And that's something that's puzzled me for a while.
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So there must be some other form of communication.
It's quite possible there is something called, along the lines of a gravity phone, something that John and I have spoke about in depth, that essentially is a gravity amplifier with a modulated output and it is received.
Again, you know, this is just an educated guess, but it's certainly possible.
But as far as it being a frequency you can tune in or transmit, I haven't seen anything along those lines that the crafts would receive.
So then the communications might be a bit as advanced or different would be a better way to put it than anything more familiar with traditional RF frequencies.
But one would think that any insight into that at all might give one the ability eventually then to communicate, if not travel to these creatures, that communicate with the point of origin.
You know, again, this is going to assemble an incredibly heavy element like that.
Other elements that were synthesized up to 109, and that hasn't been really documented, but these have been put in accelerators for an incredibly long time at a tremendous cost of electrical power.
And we essentially have a yield of one or two atoms of a substance.
If you're talking about something much higher than that, like Element 115, it's just inconceivable.
You'd have to have this tremendous thing running at full power for decades to wind up with several atoms of a substance if it can be done.
I've always contended that Element 115 has got to, it must have been naturally created.
Has anybody heard these stories or any of the publications or any official publications to do any sort of truth coming from injections that you do anything to try and verify what you said?
and I'll say, "You come after me or force me to do anything." Our local news anchor on Shun Lake went along with you and looked at and investigated what was his personal determination after he finished looking into this and did his show.
But now George wasn't that ardent of a believer in the beginning, as I wasn't even before I got involved with the project.
But George did go to great lengths traveling with me to Los Alamos and going all over the place tree come down leaves and things ended up quickly that someone put in that much effort.
Is there anything, Bob, that since you don't make public appearances and you don't go on talk shows, is there anything that you've been wanting to say to the public and you haven't had a chance to for a while?
The constant concerns obviously I think for crop circles, but I don't know what I've got in an ideal patience myself and I couldn't remember that I need to know myself and look at it, but I don't know anything about it.
You said what group was it that there should be alterations about the electronic because he's the one that read the document, and I just quote from what he said.
I was reading an article in the Los Angeles Times from November, and it was regarding an experiment going on approximately two miles inside Mount Andrieti in southern Russia with Vladimir Garvin regarding the neutrino.
There are a lot of things you can do with an accelerator on a subatomic level, but certainly one of them is the building blocks.
What actually compromises protons and neutrons and looking at the different flavors, as they say, of quarks and other subatomic particles that only exist in areas of extreme energy and only come into an existence, only were in existence at the very creation of the universe.
In exploring the subatomic world, you're kind of looking back in time.
Bob, again, I'm not a physicist, but I heard also from this astronomer, who perhaps approached the update on earlier, that we are from time to time able to detect neutrinos from the sun here on Earth.
Well, first of all, our neutrino detectors aren't really worth very much.
But, yeah, neutrinos are not only produced by the sun, but when we can detect them, neutrinos will go clear through the Earth.
In fact, it's theorized that a light year of lead, I mean, it's like somewhere on the order of six trillion miles of lead, would not stop a neutrino.
That's why I was interested to see what experiments the Russians were doing with neutrinos, since it'd be really hard to interact them with any matter.
The further comment was there was worry that they have not been detecting as many neutrinos as they once did, and this was some sort of source of worry.
As far as the antimatter explanation, I think they've almost ruled that out because there would be some residual byproducts of that reaction that could probably still be detected today.
what it says is: anyone who sees it and approaches an Euro code and is able to touch the object may be liable for $5,000 fine and or a year in prison if he or she does not submit to detention.
Anybody who sees or approaches a UFO or touches the object will be liable for a $5,000 fine and or a year in prison if he or she does not submit to detention.
I just want to give one more call in here, and I'll give you a final moment to get a plug into where to get that tape in a moment.
Good morning.
You're on the air coast to coast damn with what I now call the butte.
Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified
Thank you, Lord.
I'm calling from South Africa, Mexico, New Mexico, okay.
First, it was going to be an honor and a pleasure.
I had the opportunity to catch John and Bob in August when they were on the air.
And listening to that show gave me shivers for a couple of reasons.
In 1989, I had an experience in the mountains of New Mexico, which after viewing some objects in the sky, I started to write down some things in the following days.
One of the things that I drew was something like a sphere with almost an ethereal ring around it or a field around it, and wrote down an aspect of folding and bending space.
I wrote down seven other aspects.
And then when I listened to your show in August, and Bible is there, I ordered your tape immediately after that.
And anyway, one of the aspects that I wanted to ask Bob LeVar about, if he had any opportunity to read or view any documents about the energy, one of the things that I...
Okay.
There's lots of teletopic communication with the aliens that seems to come through the DNA strands that go from one ring to the other.
This is an image that came through.
And I was just wondering if Bob had any information on that.
I believe if I understand the idea, it is that the souls on Earth are kind of imprisoned on Earth, and when the bodies die, we go somewhere, the aliens ship or somewhere, and then we come back to the bodies.
unidentified
Is that right, you guys?
Roughly, yeah.
Okay, well, my question is, is what do you guys think about the idea?
If soul could use our planet, you know, on a spaceship or something, and they died, then what would happen to their soul?
And one other question, John, keying on what he said, regarding the possibility of a cataclysmic event in our near or foreseeable future, any reason to believe that something's coming?
Incredibly interesting show tonight, thank you, and as well as Mr. Lear and Mr. LaGuard.
The question I had, and this might have, I hope somebody can answer it, there was a gentleman named Joseph Newman, who lived somewhere in Mississippi about, I think this was about 15 years ago, who invented some sort of a machine that,
and I'm not quite as scientifically oriented, but to the best of my knowledge, you could put in something like one volt on going in, and the machine would produce like 1.5 or 2 volts or 10 volts or whatever.
Oh, it's just, I don't have any comments, but that's one of the things I like hanging around, Bob, is he gets to the bottom and he tells you immediately whether his BS or not.
Okay, but what I was given to understand is that, you know, this was like physically impossible, but yet, you know, it had been studied by a number of scientists and nobody could quite disprove it.
And line one, you're on your coast-to-coast ambassador.
I'm John Mayer.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning.
Mr. Mayor, I have two questions for you.
You were talking about time travel a little while ago, and you mentioned it also on the last program that it actually had conducted successful experiments.
Okay, the other question was, I know this is all speculation and stuff, so, but is there any speculation about there being like an alien culture that's non-violent with no state structure?