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Dec. 12, 1992 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Area 51 - John Lear - Bob Lazar

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Industrial design in college, then pursued his aviation career flying airplanes, seaplanes, gliders, gyroplanes, helicopters, balloons, and fighter-type aircraft.
		While attending high school in Switzerland, Lear became the youngest American to climb the Matterhorn in Zermatt.
		In 1968, he pylon raced a Douglas B-26 Invader in the Reno Air Races, the largest aircraft ever raced at Reno at the time.
		At age 28, he was one of the youngest Boeing 707 captains to fly in commercial airline service.
		A former Nevada State Senate candidate, John is the son of William P. Lear, Sr., designer of the Learjet executive aircraft, the eight-track stereo, and founder of Lear Incorporated, now Lear-Siegler Corporation, a large defense contractor.
		Lear has written extensively about airplanes and other subjects.
		...and was Middle East correspondent for Combat Illustrated between 1975 and 77 while stationed in Beirut, Lebanon with a cargo airline.
		Although Lear's father was outspoken in his belief of the existence of extraterrestrial visitors, to the great concern of the Pentagon, by the way, particularly because Lear Sr.
		was head of a large defense contracting company, John only became interested in the subject himself seven years ago After talking with an Air Force pilot who was stationed at Bentwaters Air Force Base near London, England, where three small aliens were photographed by the Air Force, actually photographed by the Air Force, walking up to Wing Commander General Gordon Williams.
		Lear's extensive worldwide civilian, military, and intelligence contacts have made it easier for him to penetrate the secrecy surrounding the subject of UFOs.
		Then, in 1988, John became acquainted with a government scientist who worked at Area S-4, part of the super-secret Area 51 at the Nevada Test Site.
		The scientist was a member of the most classified government research team then in existence.
		It was their job to research and try to duplicate the propulsion system of nine recovered alien aircraft in storage at the Nevada Test Site.
		Lear is an amateur astronomer and photographer, and has won several awards for his photos taken during his worldwide travels.
		He owned and campaigned the 12-meter America's Cup boat, Soliloquy, out of Marina Del Rey, California, for two years.
		He is Vice President of the Generals Ward and Chennault Post No.
		1, the Soldier of Fortune Post of the American Legion, and a member of the Special Operations Association.
		John currently is chief pilot for a cargo airline, flies Boeing 727 throughout the Caribbean and South America.
		Lear has four daughters, lives in Las Vegas with his wife Marilee, a former actress, and youngest daughter Jacqueline, 15.
		His hobbies include gardening, carpentry, And UFOs.
		I added the last.
		So away we go, without any further introduction, and that just about did it.
		Here is John Lear.
		Good morning, John Lear.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good, good to hear you again.
		John, there's been an awful lot of stuff going on, and that's mainly why I had you back, besides the general discussion, which we always end up in.
		There's a whole bunch of I want to ask about number one is
		Is my sighting?
		Now I don't know if you've heard anything about this or not, but I'll tell you John
		I really did see a couple of things that may be nothing more than
		You know fallen something or others But on my way in from Param toward Las Vegas. I have now
		seen in three different times what I
		I don't know what it was, John.
		It looked on the one hand a little bit like a falling star.
unidentified		I've seen falling stars all my life.
unidentified		And this was not typical of a falling star.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was more like I've described it as a green fireball trailing fire behind it in a trajectory across the sky.
		It wasn't small.
		It wasn't like a typical falling star that we've all seen for years.
		It was, and I'll tell you why I'm mentioning this, John, it's because I said it on the air, and you wouldn't believe the derogatory mail that I've received.
		I didn't say, I joked around, said it's C-Pod or something coming out, but that was just a joke, and for having seen this and reported on it, You can't believe the mail that I've received, John.
unidentified		I can't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so, that set me to think, if that got me that kind of mail, and I said at the time, could a falling star?
unidentified		I don't know, but sure was strange.
		I can understand what you've gone through.
		Well, it's been quite an adventure since I accidentally got into this in 1985.
		It sure has.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you get, John, quite a bit of abuse of, come on, what kind of nut are you, kind of, you know?
unidentified		No, I haven't got any of those at all.
		Really?
		One or two in the last, you know, five years.
		Oh, I got all kinds of... You know, Art, take a vacation, Art.
		Working these nights must have gotten to you, it's really... But I really did see these things, John.
		I don't suppose you have any thought or have heard anybody else talk about it.
		Green fireballs is what worked.
		Well, it could have been the shore helicopter, right?
		Oh, no, John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nor was it pump gas.
		I hear a desert.
		It may have been a gigantic falling star.
unidentified		I have no way of knowing, John, but... Well, you know, there's a lot of reports in 19... I think it was 48, 49, 50 in New Mexico, green fireballs.
		Lots of those.
		I haven't heard too many recently, but there certainly was back then.
		I could only describe it as trailing fire and sparks and so on, and the sucker was really moving.
		I mean, it just went across the trajectory in the sky in just, oh, I don't know, four or five seconds.
		It was really moving.
		Oh, there's a lot of strange things flying.
		Yes, there are.
		Out in my valley, John, I see some mighty strange stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't suppose you had to see Sightings last night, did you?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sightings last night did a little segment on angels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hate to start in on this so early, but they commissioned the Gallup poll people to do a poll and ask the American people how many, by percentage, believe in angels.
unidentified		This will surprise you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		65% of the American people, according to Gallup, believe in angels.
unidentified		How about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it relates in a sense, because if that many people can believe in angels, I would think that also a very, very high percentage could believe that these UFOs are more than just something identified.
unidentified		Wouldn't that make sense?
		Yeah, I think it would.
		Okay, I've got a number of other things I want to cover.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Associated Press, a couple of days ago, John, reported on a very close call for Earth.
		At first I thought that it was an old report, but then they began to say, as we slept last night, a two-mile-wide asteroid passed within two million miles of Earth, which they considered to be just close within a cosmic blink.
		And I note that in all of these, and there have been several instances like this lately, John, they always tell us about it after it has passed.
		John, can you hold on a sec?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got to do a break.
		Stand by.
		Radio in the nighttime from the great American Southwest.
		I'm Art Bell with John Lear, and we're going to be talking UFOs and other strange things this morning.
		So, uh, back to it we go.
		And, John, John, um, that was a big rock.
		I mean, a two-mile-wide asteroid that passed right by.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I mean, let me tell us right after.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I think that happened about six months ago, but, uh... Yes, it did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it did.
		That's what I'm recalling.
		And it's been a series of these, John.
		Uh, are we just gonna sort of not wake up one day?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Uh, probably be like that.
		I remember a couple years ago they got Dan Quayle head of some deal that was supposed
		to look out in space and see if there were any asteroids headed this way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody pooh-poohed it.
		I recall at the time, oh what a waste of money they said.
		But I'm tired of hearing about all this like a baseball score, you know.
		It seems to me, aren't we keeping track of these things?
		Shouldn't we be?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, it seems so.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		There's certainly a lot of them out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's the big $64,000 question, John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Suppose they saw one headed our way that wasn't going to miss.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Would they miss?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Intercepted him and he thought, and then shot him down when they got him over Russia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy mackerel.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		They couldn't prove it one way or the other and they didn't want to risk the 707s, which
		I was flying, so they went another way.
		That's my understanding.
		I didn't participate in the other one, but it's my understanding they went through Dubai,
		which would just cross the Persian Gulf into Tehran.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're pretty confident that because they have officially closed this, which was my
		reference the other day, that they will not, upon hearing what you've just said, reopen
		or there'll be cries to reopen it.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think so, because they'd have to let, uh, Rusbacher testify, and he's the SR-71 pilot that brought him back, and they just don't want to get into it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we just, uh, killed one hour dead, John, uh, so stand by, relax, get some coffee or whatever, and we'll come back and do another.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, stay right there.
		American Southwest, I'm Art Bell, back with John Lear in a moment, and I, uh, Responding to what John said, I know John's listening right now, I regard the possibility of aliens and UFOs in the same way I guess I do as the existence of the Creator.
		And that has always been a problem for me.
		I'm probably an agnostic.
		I would say an agnostic.
		People will call me and tell me, you must admit the presence.
		You must accept him.
		And I know all that.
		I've heard all that a million times.
		But I'm the kind of person that has such a hard time accepting something I can't put my finger on.
		Something that I can't prove.
		And I'm still that way.
		And that leads me into a position where I appear to vacillate back and forth, and I do.
		I can't say that our Lord exists.
		I hope He exists.
		I believe He exists.
		But in terms of absolutely my being able to say He exists, I don't know that I can.
		And the same thing applies with UFOs, which I have never seen.
		Anyway, we'll get back to it in just a moment.
		You're listening to the CBC and BRN Radio Networks, the perfect gift.
		Here we are again.
		I'm sure you heard what I had to say at the top of the hour.
		And it is kind of that way, John.
		I just am not an absolute believer, nor a disbeliever.
		My mind is open.
		I am impressed with the number of sightings and the things that we've talked about.
		In fact, it's frightening.
		But without hands-on, you can't make that final, or I can't, I should say, make that final step, that leap to yes, they exist.
		But you have, haven't you?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		But if you'd have walked in my shoes for the last five years and had access to all the information I had, you'd probably believe that I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So they are real.
		What are they, John?
		That's what a lot of people want to know that haven't listened before.
		What are the creatures that are in these flying things?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, I used to say that there was 80 different species visiting us.
		There's probably more.
		There's certainly more than that out there.
		the universe and there's all different kinds. There's these little gray people that do the
		abductions. There's ones that look just like us and there's some awfully weird ones. There's just
		about any ones that you can imagine. What do they want?
		Well, supposedly, at least according to the documents that were read by Bob Lazar at the
		test site, we are an experiment.
		We were genetically changed, genetically experimented with, and made I think 65 separate collections
		to make us what we are now, which is containers.
		They referred to us as containers.
		What we contain wasn't specified in the documents.
		You can speculate it might be souls, it might be blood, it might be enzymes, but in any
		case the aliens referred to us as containers and they made these containers.
		Now, according to the documents he read, they also engineered the world's major religions.
		And they did that in an effort to organize and pacify.
		They created the lyrical so that we would believe in an entity, so we would not go out and rape and murder and pillage and that kind of stuff.
		man is to live by mainly so that they can organize and pass by and keep us all going
		in the same general direction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They are our creators?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Supposedly, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that one of those things you are certain about or does that hang in the air more as
art bell ▲ ● ▼		a theory, John?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is looking more and more correct.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Who knows what the truth is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I want to do, I want to start taking a few calls, John, and we will kind of hopscotch
		our way through the night here.
		A lot of people that want to talk to you, and I should serve as some of these blinking lines, so let us sporadically begin doing that.
		Good morning.
		On the first time caller line, you're on the air coast-to-coast AM with John Lear and Art Bell.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Yes, I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Washington State.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the state of Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're on the air with John Lear.
unidentified		Yes, uh, Mr. Laird, do you, um, believe that there may possibly be some sort of an invasion, um, where they are taking over, um, phone lines, flash messages over televisions and so forth?
unidentified		Do you believe this could be a possibility?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'd be a pretty open operation, wouldn't it, John?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Uh, yeah, if the government itself wasn't doing that, uh, certainly, uh, the aliens could probably be doing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I got a funny fax the other day, John.
		Listen to a little bit of this.
		If you use a modem, you are monitored.
		Every time you fire up a modem, you activate automatic monitoring equipment.
		I work for a large telephone network that routinely monitors modem and fax transmissions.
		They view whatever is transmitted, even encrypted data.
		Your government allows this under the heading maintenance monitoring in the FCC rules.
		Monitoring can continue for six months without legal procedure.
		The rules are part of an obscure pre-World War II action by the FCC's predecessor agency saying no information may be encoded or transmitted over public or private forms of telephone or radio with the exception of government agencies involved in national security.
		So they monitor fax and modem transmissions.
		Our government monitors all of this stuff.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well I was told the other day that not only that, but they can monitor your house through your cable for your TV.
		I had a friend who worked for a cable company and he said it was very highly sophisticated.
		He stopped short of saying that they could actually watch you, but they can certainly
		monitor you through the cable TV.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This comes, by the way, from a fellow ham radio operator who works for a company that
		does this kind of work up in the Bay Area, so he knows what he is talking about.
		I guess just about everything is monitored.
		Have you ever been concerned about that, John, on a personal basis?
		Certainly if I were in the government, I think I would monitor John Lear very carefully.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't worry about it because I know it goes on.
		I heard on TV a couple of times I have a couple of teenagers here and the centale guy was
		up here putting in some phones and he came in one morning and said, Hey John, do you
art bell ▲ ● ▼		know your phone is tapped?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And I said, Really?
		And he said, Wow, do you want me to find out where?
		And I said, Yeah.
		So he went out and he came back about a half an hour later and this guy said, You know,
		I went behind your house up to the pole and then I went over to Monroe Street and then
		down Hollywood Boulevard and then down to Dallas and down to Bonanza.
unidentified		And he says, It's further than that.
unidentified		He said, I'll be back in a little while.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I want to I want to check what's going on.
		So he didn't come back until the next morning.
		And when he came back, he said, John, I can't talk to you anymore.
unidentified		And I said, What are you talking about?
		He said, I'm going to be on another route.
		He said, What happened is I got traced your phone tap to the mainframe at Centel.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And he said, I went to the FBI and the lady there said, I'm going to be on another route.
		And I said, What happened?
		He said, I'm going to be on another route.
unidentified		And I said, What happened?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		He said, I'm going to be on another route.
		And I said, What happened?
		And I said, What happened?
		He said, I'm going to be on another route.
		And I said, What happened?
		He said, I'm going to be on another route.
		And I said, What happened?
		He said, I'm going to be on another route.
		And I said, What happened?
unidentified		He said, I'm going to be on another route.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And I said, What happened?
		He said, I'm going to be on another route.
		And I said, What happened?
		He said, I'm going to be on another route.
		And I said, What happened?
		He said, I'm going to be on another route.
		And I said, What happened?
unidentified		He said, I'm going to be on another route.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And I said, What happened?
		He said, I'm going to be on another route.
		And I said, What happened?
		He said, I'm going to be on another route.
		I often come by and say so-and-so says to say hello to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So God, John, that's creepy, but it's not a surprise.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		There's no question in my mind that we're monitored.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess then your attitude just becomes, who cares?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm bored and I'm gonna just keep doing what I'm doing or does it intimidate you to know that?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't intimidate me.
		Everything's on me up and up.
		I'd like to expose some of this stuff that's going on.
		I don't think a lot of it is right, but it doesn't seem like we can...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They made it very clear that if I made any noise that I wouldn't have my job.
		I know who the guy is.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Oh, good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from, sir?
		I'm calling from Mesa.
		Mesa, Arizona.
		They made it very clear that if I made any noise that I wouldn't have my job.
unidentified		And I know who the guy is.
unidentified		He's still, I know where he works.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And a couple of the other Centel guys often come by and say, so and so, it's nice to say
		hello to you.
		So...
		Now, John, that's creepy, but it's not a surprise.
		There's no question in my mind that we're monitored.
		I'm not going to say anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess then your attitude just becomes, who cares?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm aboard and I'm going to just keep doing what I'm doing, or does it intimidate you to know that?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't intimidate me.
		Everything's on the up and up.
		I'd like to expose some of this stuff that's going on.
		I don't think a lot of it is right, but it doesn't seem like we can do much about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wild Card Line 3, you're on the air coast-to-coast AM with our fellow John Lear.
		Good morning.
		Oh, good morning, all right.
		Where are you calling from, sir?
		I'm calling from Mesa.
		Mesa, Arizona.
		Yes, sir.
		All right.
		I'd like to ask him if it would surprise him to know that Clinton's mother's maiden name was Rockefeller.
		And that his real name is William Jefferson, B-L-Y-T-H-E, the fourth.
unidentified		Right.
		Right.
		The fourth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So is that a surprise to you, Jim?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, I think what he's saying is everybody's connected that goes in the government.
		We think that we're getting somebody new, but really, the President of the United States is just a figurehead.
		It really doesn't make any difference in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
unidentified		One of those nights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got John Lear with us, and some of the information you're hearing and will hear will be very troubling.
		Even frightening to some, and if you are one of those people, please do now turn on, go to bed, have a good night's sleep, and we'll see you some other morning.
		For the rest of you, we now continue.
		John, the clean-out petri dish is where we left off, and You know, I've got to say, John, since the ending of this Cold War, here we are in Somalia.
		You and I talked about that the other morning here on the air.
		And there are how many other Somalias out there?
		This earth, John, is a mess right now.
		It is the most unorganized, world-like mess I've ever seen.
unidentified		Yeah, you're right on that.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I was just wondering why it will all become apparent to us in about six months, and I really don't know what the reason is, but there's obviously a method to this madness of going into Somalia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm troubled by the whole operation, and I see it as the first step in the Grand New World Order.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, I wonder if you view it the same way.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know about the New World Order, but there are some very strange things going on.
		By the way, for the guy who wanted Russ Bacher's address, Uh, you can write to his wife.
		Her first name is R-A-Y-E-L-A-N Ray Ellen Westbacher.
		R-U-S-S-B-A-C-H-E-R.
		And it's post office box 3078 Carmel, California.
		Fox 3078 Carmel, California.
		And the zip is 93921.
		And she's trying to help get him out.
		But back to Somalia.
		It certainly is a strange area.
		back in 1977 during an armed air lift there when we went in after the Somalis kicked the
		Russians out and we wanted that deep water port on the Red Sea. What happened is the
		Somalis who traditionally had been supported by Russia and the Ethiopians who they were
		fighting were traditionally supported by the West. They didn't have any ammunition but
		the west uh... and but they didn't have any ammunition but they had
		the guns uh... so
		they had the guns. Since they had changed different sides we had to get the Russian
		since they had changed different sides uh... we had to get the uh... the russians or the what they
unidentified		or what they call East Black ammunition to the Somalis. I where they were fighting were traditionally supported by
john lear ▲ ● ▼		call east bloc ammunition to the somalis so
		i was in an airlift that left from uh...
		uh... hungary through saudi arabia down there and it went on for a month i think three or four months
		uh... taking ammunition down there so they could fight the war
		we took east bloc ammunition that was coordinated right at the very top of the uh...
		state department we had to get the ammunition from the house so there was
		kind of a high level trade going on and i don't know where the west bloc ammunition i think it
		came out of vietnam this was in nineteen seventy seven so there was a lot left
art bell ▲ ● ▼		over from there sure is incestuous isn't it this arms thing
		uh...
		Well, again, back to the broader picture, John.
		They claim absolutely no national security interest whatsoever, purely humanitarian.
		And I'm sure they would say the same thing if Bosnia is our next object of No, you were manipulated, but to what end?
		I'm not sure.
		manipulated all the way through this, John, as though we saw all the pictures of the starving
		and we were emotionally worked up and they prepared us, the media literally prepared
		us for what we are now doing over there.
		And would I be wrong in saying I was manipulated?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, you weren't manipulated, but to what end, I'm not sure.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I know it was a lot easier going into Somalia than it would have been going into Bosnia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, support for the election.
unidentified		And if it is a success, there are many, many already calling for Bosnia to be the next
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And from there, why, there's a whole list of places we could intervene in and try and make this a better world to live in.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Billions, hundreds of billions of dollars being spent on defense.
		And we're not flying a mocked aircraft, 285,000, to get the air drop into Somalia.
		So I'm sure that if there's not a legitimate enemy out there, that they can certainly whip up an enemy for us to
		fight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right. Another quick break, John. We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I, you know, that's a good question, exactly why I'm flying that aircraft.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		It's a safe aircraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And John has strong views in many areas, including aliens, UFOs, and I guess our political course in this country as
unidentified		well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And back now to John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, exactly why are we developing the Aurora aircraft?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, the exact same question that you just asked was asked by Senator Robert Byrd, who is the chairman of the Senate House Appropriations Committee.
		committee and he went to the Deputy Secretary of Defense and said, hey, what is that airplane
		that goes Mach 8?
		We don't see anything in the budgets.
		Now, Senator Byrne is one of 16 people who is allowed to see everything in black budgets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he said, I don't remember signing anything on that.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		There was nothing under there.
		So they had some other questions too.
		NBC, April 20th, ran a story about saucer-like objects over Groom Lake.
		Channel 13 has some strange lights that they photographed over Groom Lake.
		Aviation Week, May 11th and August 24th had pictures of strange contrails.
		You know, those skyquakes in Southern California.
unidentified		Wall Street Journal comes out with a story.
unidentified		All these things seem to say that there was something strange going on.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		So Byrd sent out a guy to Las Vegas here last Saturday, Dick D'Amato, senior legislative aide, and he was going to make a surprise trip to Groom Lake.
		And he told us that if there was stuff going on and it wasn't to the normal budget, that he was going to pull the plug on Area 51.
		So he goes up there on Monday to Groom Lake to tour Any of that stuff is there that we are saying is there, namely Aurora, S4, the discount at S4, the new unfunded secret airport called Sandia next to Bayou Mesa, and he went up to Groom Lake as fate would have it.
		It was snowed in that day and they told him that they couldn't take him anywhere because of the snow.
		He said he wanted to go down to S4 and they said, oh, you've been talking to that Bob Lazar guy, huh?
		So apparently he's going to go back in two weeks, and they said that they would take him down there in two weeks, but they wouldn't find anything.
		The base told them that there was nothing there, so I imagine two weeks will give them enough time to move stuff out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There won't be anything there in two weeks.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I don't have anything against black budgets or anything against secret projects, but when you consider the American taxpayer is footing the bill for these operations, and all likelihood is Two or three times the real cost for the legal budget programs to support the black budget programs.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		You know, you might want to know who the enemy is that we're really preparing to fight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was the nature of my question.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		What do we need this aircraft for if we have met the enemy and he is us?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the sense that with a well-defined, understandable enemy or not, we're going to keep doing this, period.
unidentified		Sure.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wild Card Line 3, you're on the coast-to-coast AM with up-and-coming John Lee, good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
		I'm ready for Mark.
		I would like to ask him if he has heard of Al Butcher Proudy.
		Yes, sure.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		He was Al Butcher Proudy, one of the four people who ate up Composite Mr. X in the movie, Joe F. Kobe.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I'm not Joe O'Keefe, I'm Alvin Stone.
unidentified		Correct, and I really got an enlightenment about Vietnam and why Vietnam happened.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Al Fletcher Prouty wrote a book about 20 years ago called The Secret Team,
		and he's just recently written another one that elaborates on that.
		Yeah, Prouty's one of the good guys.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, ma'am.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, I'm going to ask you to comment on kind of a general topic here.
unidentified		One of the good guys, you said, the UFO community, and it's pretty large.
		There are a lot of people who talk and lecture.
		You're probably one of the most effective in the community.
		and there is an unbelievable amount of dissension among ufologists.
		Why? What's going on here?
		Why is there so much dissension?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I met the other day, they bonded their first UFO concern, everybody would be generalized generally, but it's not the
unidentified		case.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of different views, AXTGRIME, Bill Coopers who are real out on one end,
		and Melinda Howes who are out on the other end, and most of us are trying to bring some sensible sense to
		the thing, and it's just difficult to do, everybody has a different AXTGRIME.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've noticed that every time two people don't agree, the standard thing seems to be to accuse the other guy,
art bell ▲ ● ▼		being a CIA disinformation operative.
unidentified		That's the standard modus operandi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you don't agree with me, you've got to be CIA, this has to be disinformation, and boy, these charges and counter charges just fly, don't they?
unidentified		All right, let's take some more calls.
		Good morning.
		On the first time, caller Ryan, you're almost close to him with our phone, John.
		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Where are you calling from, mister?
		Sousaville.
		Sousaville.
		All right, turn your radio off and go ahead.
		John's right here.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing, John?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Doing pretty good.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		Well, I've got him.
unidentified		My comment, John, is that you were talking about I don't know how to explain this, it's difficult.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm thinking the Christians think this thing came out the way that you're talking.
		All the Christians, or a good percentage of the Christians would probably have a second thought about Christ.
		And that is the reason that the government is kind of holding this back.
		Is that the way you're trying to explain it?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's correct, but when you say all the Christians, you know, you think you're talking about a lot of people.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Remember, there's 6 billion people on this planet and, you know, 5 billion of them aren't waiting for Jesus to come back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh, how about the idea of maybe, uh, Satan, who is supposed to be running this world, uh, prior to Jesus returning, uh, drumming up this, uh, infatuation?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well...
unidentified		Uh, is there Satan?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		That's colored by Jesus Christ, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're looking on both aspects in the way the Bible reads, I think, is that Satan is supposed to be running this world until, uh, uh, Christ returns, and that maybe this is the big play that Satan is playing.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, that, that could be, you know, as Art knows, I try to stay out of the religious aspect of this, because it just, I should come out for mulch, you know?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		If you want to talk about, grab the amplifiers and Well, I'm open minded myself.
unidentified		I kind of squint at the religious aspect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm open-minded myself. I believe in Jesus Christ, but I still am open-minded to these UFOs and what have you.
		But I'll stand by here and listen a little bit more to this program.
		We're watching on television, so I'm doing two satellite shows.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		So I appreciate the call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right, sir.
		We appreciate your call.
		Thank you very much.
		It is inevitable that people want to mix the religious aspect into it somehow, and there really is.
		It's just that when we don't talk about it, It really gets a lot of people angry, which is exactly why
		the government will release all this information, isn't it?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Exactly. It's tough to talk about it. A lot of people have grown up with that belief,
		and they really believe it, and it just could cause a lot of problems. You can see the point
		of view of that opening the door in the first place.
		that opening the door in the first place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you are correct that five billion people are not waiting for Christ to return. Of that
		Well you are correct that five billion people are not waiting for Christ to return.
		Of that billion points a significant number of them are here in this country and it would
		five billion points, a significant number of them are here in this country, and it would
		disturb them greatly.
		disturb them greatly.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, let's take one more quick break here John, stand by a sec.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right. Let's take one more quick break here, John.
unidentified		Stand by a sec. You're listening a lot of problems like you can see the point of view of
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're listening to John Lear on the CBC and BRN radio network and again I say if this
		is all going to disturb you then turn it off.
		Don't keep listening to see how disturbed you can really get.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		The human form that was on the earth at that time and that's what the 64 corrections were
		made from.
		They didn't create them from the beginning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then our ancestors are some other sort of space creature that was modified genetically
art bell ▲ ● ▼		into whatever we are right now.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Oh, whatever was here.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		It's my understanding they genetically altered whatever was here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is, I believe, turning to reality, or a hard documentable reality, there is a missing link.
		There is a period of time and they just cannot calculate how mankind made the jump, made the leap, how the intelligent aspect of Man, wasn't there?
		In hard science, there is that area, is there not, John?
unidentified		No.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		It's tough to believe.
		When you figure out what the odds are, there are two general beliefs that we evolved from
		matter that fell out of a comet and landed in the sea and then stirred up with slime
		and then something crawled up on the beach and we eventually evolved from there.
		There are only, we know of in 18 billion years, the greatest odds that you can think of wouldn't
		have permitted man to have genetically come from that kind of a sequence of events.
		The other is that the man was made out of clay, so you can pick those or as Gene Hoff
		says, you can be an externalist and believe that we were modified by an external factor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, this brings me to something else then John.
		All of these abductions, these cattle mutilations, it kind of gives...
		Uh, credibility to what you've said, because if we are, in effect, an experiment, surely those conducting the experiment would, from time to time, need information to continue the experiment, or decide not to, heaven help us.
		Um, and so then, would that be the reason for the abduction?
		Inevitably, they talk about medical exams, they were examined medically, John.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		That might be the very reason for these abductions.
		All of the abductions are kind of a medical exam.
		They put something here and put something there.
		Sometimes it's painful, sometimes it's not.
		But that would, you know, they're checking to see how the experiment is going
		and whether it's time to clean out the petri dish or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right. Wild Card Line 3. You're on the air coast to coast.
unidentified		John, I'm not being personally argumentative.
		It's just that I have a set of ideas, too, and I kind of think it's challenging to think this way because we all want answers.
		How would you explain near-death experience?
		And that would be my first question.
		Secondly, you say not to turn it into religion.
		I've never been religious, per se, like I don't go to church, and I don't believe in that, but I have a very strong sense of a God figure for many other reasons, and having been an atheist when I was young, read a lot of books by people who gave me better answers than a Bible, as far as actually, could man create God, or God create man?
		I'm a real strong believer, okay, in a beginning and a creator.
		I would say that as far as they go, I don't say they're not real.
		I've never explained, even on our belt show, my experience with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		There have been some.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to have to hold it there.
		Listen on the radio.
		We'll get you an answer.
		It is an interesting area, John, this business of near death or death experiences you know the bright light a
		little bit.
		So many have had it John, any thoughts on the matter?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well it is my personal opinion that the soul goes on forever and ever and that when you
john lear ▲ ● ▼		depart this body there is a short time when you can see down and see what is going on
unidentified		before you go to wherever it is we go.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Now reincarnation was something that Jesus taught but at the first meeting of Nica I
		think which was in 325 AD and then there was also a meeting in Constantinople in 1200
		AD they modified what we call the King James Version of the Bible and they took a lot as
		a matter of fact they really took about 95% of what Jesus taught out of there.
		So I think that is a good thing and I think that is a good thing and I think that is a
		good thing.
		I think that is a good thing.
unidentified		answers to many of those experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, this is going to get into the area that I was afraid of, but I can't resist.
		Containers.
		Vessels.
		That's what we are.
		Possibly containers or vessels for the human soul that we're now talking about.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Possibly an experiment for the soul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What, John?
		Pure speculation.
		Do you suppose our creators, our alien scientists that have created us, what use would they have for the human soul?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Apparently there's a lot of interest by one species, the greys, in emotions.
		And they take a lot of time to apparently talk to the abductees about emotions.
		I've heard of experiments they do with people to create emotions.
		For instance there was a case down in Florida where a guy was abducted and he was put in
		a long curving corridor with two children and down one end as bizarre as this may sound
		here comes a fire breathing dragon.
		So he turns around one feet of the other way and there is a door, he goes in the door and
		there is a barrel and his decision was does he put one kid in each barrel and let the
		dragon eat him or does he get in one barrel himself and try to put the other two in there
unidentified		or what?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And this was one of the experiments, I don't remember how it came out, but this was one
john lear ▲ ● ▼		of the experiments they do in trying to either understand or experiment with emotions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then you might conclude that emotions, anger, jealousy, all the strong ones have
art bell ▲ ● ▼		some value to them.
unidentified		Thank you.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Possibly, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or they are themselves some sort of energy that can be used in some way?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, apparently, at least according to the detectives, the Grays don't understand it.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		They don't have emotions themselves, at least like we do, and they're trying to understand the emotions as we feel them.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Well, we're plotting a lot of new territory this morning.
		It's very, very interesting.
		Let's pick up another call quickly.
		Wild Card Line 3, you're on the air coast-to-coast AM with John Lear and Art Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Art.
unidentified		I have two quick questions, and I'll listen to them off the air.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Number one, what these people that have been abducted by aliens and been experimented on, have they ever suffered ill effects when they get back to Earth from the medical experiences?
		Second question, has John Lear ever known many Navy aviators and has he ever had a desire or has he ever landed on an aircraft carrier?
		I don't think they leave.
		Some of them go maybe a short ways out but most of them have done well over the course
		of a year.
unidentified		Yes, they do suffer ill effects.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Some of them are quite traumatized by the experience.
		That's why they form these encounter groups where they can talk to others who have had
		the same experience.
		The Hopkins is quite active in those type of groups where they try to help people who
		have been traumatized by this.
		Right, John, did you see the one on sightings, the fellow who had the returning red marks
unidentified		on his belly?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, but I've heard about that case.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		A lot similar to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's talk a little bit about that.
unidentified		I've got a break coming up so stand by, John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll do that in just a minute.
		Maybe we'll wait for you to answer his question because I want to answer that.
		All right.
unidentified		All right.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is going to be interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to be talking about the next couple of weeks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dreams long.
unidentified		If you're frightened by all this sort of thing, turn your radio off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't expose yourself to something that could be harmful to you personally.
		For the rest of you with strong constitutions, let's continue.
		Good morning again, John.
		Let's cover what we were going to.
		We'll get to the naval aviators.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the lasting effects, and I was telling you about the fellow with the returning red marks that I think was on sightings, a very convincing case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many people have physical effects that endure?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know what you mean.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Percentage-wise?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, how many have you ever heard of?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've looked into so many of these cases, you'd know more.
unidentified		Lots.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lots.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		They all have that little scoop that's taken out as far as physical things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little scoop?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		A little scoop of skin that's taken out.
		they have a mark on their ankle or their leg or their arm or something.
		They're told that they're just taking genetic materials back to wherever they come from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interestingly, our own government has recently announced that it has begun a program of gathering,
art bell ▲ ● ▼		first on the military and then probably others, blood samples for genetic recording.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aware of that, were you?
unidentified		Yes, I was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Naval aviators, have you ever landed on an aircraft carrier?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		First of all, he asked if I ever knew any.
		And I said, well, I answered yes.
		I was taught by a naval aviator how to, first, how to fly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was a transport pilot.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		His name was Hal Herman.
		He used to live in Montague, California.
		I don't know whether he's still there or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I've known a lot of Navy pilots.
unidentified		Have I landed on a carrier?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No.
		the most exciting experience to land on a carrier with a hundred and a quarter visibility
		on a pitching deck at night. That would be the epitome of airmanship. And I know that there's
		a lot of guys that have done it. Would you endeavor to do it if you had the chance?
		Well, I certainly need a lot more training than I have now, but that really takes airmanship,
		is to land those jets on the pitching deck at night in extremely low visibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, John, I'm told that what you have just described is one of the most terrifying things any pilot can ever do.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you can imagine, because we don't have all that much fuel.
		It's not like we can say, well, if I miss, I'll just go back to shore.
		That's their, that's their only chance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, uh, very quickly, uh, we're short on time this hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard Line 3, you're on the air coast-to-coast AM with Art Bow and John Laird, not a lot of time.
unidentified		Go ahead.
unidentified		Hi, uh, this is San Diego KSCO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, Mr. Laird?
		Yes.
		Um, about the antimatter reactor?
		Yes.
		You know, I saw, I saw the Bob Lazar video, and um, The last part of it goes, heat is taken in by the thermoelectric generator?
		Yes.
		So that means that the gravitational system is electricity?
		No.
		The thermoelectric generator is separate.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		That's what provides the positive voltage for the operation of the chip.
		What they didn't describe and what the next one will describe is how the gravity wave
		works.
		And basically the gravity B wave forms like an electrostatic charge on the top of the
		anion reactor and it's channeled and amplified through the waveguide down to the gravity
		amplifiers and that's what's used to make the pull the space towards you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, Collar, we're out of time this hour so I've got to scoot.
		I guess there'll be yet another tape that will explain all this.
		John, we've got a break for just a few minutes for the news and we'll be right back.
		Stay right there.
		You up for a few phone calls?
unidentified		Alright, you bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, good morning.
		On the first time, Collar Line, you're on the air coast to coast AM with Art Bell and
		John Lear.
unidentified		Hi, I have two quick questions for Mr. Lear.
unidentified		Number one, a little while ago you said we might start seeing something in about six months and second of all, when is your next speaking engagement?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nine.
		You want to take that on the air or right here?
		What did I say about six months?
		Well, okay, we'll go ahead and have him take it on the air.
		He said that at one time you had stated you thought that perhaps something would become apparent to the American people in about six months or something would start happening.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Like a German interviewer told me the other day, I'm a great researcher but a terrible prophet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were interviewed by the German press, is that correct?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		There was a guy in here, a very interesting guy.
		As far as my next speaking gig, I only give about two a year.
		I don't have one planned.
		Two a year.
		I don't have one planned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I want to take a few local calls here, John.
		Let's see, line one, you're on the air coast-to-coast AM with John Lear and Art Bell.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, I live here in Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And one morning at 9 o'clock, my son and I were going out to take the trash out, and over a junior high school on the western side of town, we saw an object that was somewhat triangular and hovering, and it hovered for 39 minutes.
		It changed its attitude a number of times.
		It shined bright lights on us, and it changed its color a couple of times.
		It went up, it went down, it went diagonal back again.
		We watched it for a long time.
		I had two radio towers, two airplane towers.
		I had two front lines in the house.
		And these guys said, I wish I could see it.
		They wanted to see it.
		They couldn't.
		And I could see most of these towers from my home.
		I told this story to a couple of people, two of which were in the Air Force, and they both cautioned me never to tell
		this story to anyone again.
		Wow. When was the day that that happened?
		That was about four years ago.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And what size was it approximately?
unidentified		Twice as big as the step. It went from silver to white. It changed color. My portable phone went dead and I ended up
unidentified		on the regular phone. It wasn't scary, it was fascinating.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a lot of that happens around the Las Vegas area and they can fix it so that only the one that they want to see
		can see it. You can even be in a crowd and the rest of the people won't see it.
		What do you mean you can't see it? It's right there.
unidentified		I don't like that. I don't like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't like that either. And let's ask about that. Thank you, ma'am.
		Thank you.
		on...
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Any explanation for the kind of technology that... I don't know how they do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some sort of hypnosis, mass hypnosis, or, you know, who I guess could guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, you don't know.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		First time caller on the line.
		You're on the air with Art Bell and John Lear in Las Vegas.
unidentified		Yeah, I'd like to ask John Lear if he's familiar with Zachariah Sitchin and any of his writings regarding the Sumerian tablets.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've read most of his books and he's got some real good ideas.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		He's probably on to a lot of good things there.
unidentified		And I just wondered how your research ties in with any of his things or not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, most of it ties right in.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		He had a particularly interesting one called the 12th Planet and there's some very interesting aspects of that.
		It should be back around soon.
		I don't know when did he say it was coming back?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm not too sure about that.
unidentified		No, he has a real interesting set of books there.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I would recommend that to anybody who is interested.
unidentified		His research shows that there's been visitation from other planets back in those days.
		Thank you for the call.
		John, AIDS.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I think that there is no question about it.
unidentified		AIDS.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		He has some very good evidence that there have been all kinds of wars and monkeying around with the human race and
		modifying this and modifying that.
		Very good books.
unidentified		Okay, well thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for the call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, AIDS.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		AIDS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		AIDS looks like it's going to end up taking an awful lot of people out, John.
unidentified		I guess it is your view that AIDS, which is a unique disease,
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's my personal opinion that it was engineered by the government, specifically the U.S.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I think it was first released in Africa in 1975 through the smallpox vaccine that was
		laced with the AIDS virus.
		And that was released in the United States, I think, in 1978.
		They specifically wanted to infect a large number of people, but I don't know why.
		And that's just opinion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, uh, pretty dark opinion.
		Pretty awful to imagine our own government would have done that to us and the world.
		Purpose, uh, unknown.
		Population reduction, possibly, Jim.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you say population reduction, it seems that they want to infect people, but it would certainly seem that there would be a better, a faster way of getting rid of large numbers of people.
		We would, suppose they did infect everybody in the next five years, AIDS doesn't kill immediately, it takes one to ten years, and you would certainly overtax the I am somewhat of a theologian and an amateur ufologist. Do
		you find yourself in conflict?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's an interesting question. As a matter of fact, I am not a fan of the idea
unidentified		of conflict. I am not a fan of the idea of conflict. I am not a fan of the idea of conflict.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am not a fan of the idea of conflict. I am not a fan of the idea of conflict.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, no.
unidentified		I studied the Bible profusely.
		I was one of the original Jesus people.
		I used to go to bed at night with the Bible on record.
		I find so many things being explained to me now by recent phenomena and people like John
		Lear and of course there are as many questions as there are questions answered but the human
		mind is a phenomenal creation.
		In addition to being somewhat of a theologian and a ufologist I am also an optimist.
		I do believe in the reality of Jesus Christ and of course not to dwell on the religious
		aspect but I do believe that the book of revelations is now being opened and revealed to us and
		the amazing things that came across in that will be revealed to us now as it said that
		they will be sealed until the last days.
		I have a couple of questions.
		I just came across some recent writings on Pleiades, the constellation of Pleiades.
		There seems to be a lot of tie-ins with that.
		I'm curious about your opinion of the Billy Meyer experience.
		I am curious about your opinion of the Billy Meyer experience.
		I will hang up and just listen to those three things.
		I'll hang up and just listen to those three things.
		Billy Meyer, the 80s and Atlantis.
		Billy Meyer, Pleiades and Atlantis.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		When I first got into this, what they call ufology, I found out that to be accepted by the mainstream, you had to
		When I first got into this what they call ufology, I found out that to be accepted by the mainstream,
		you had to disregard Billy Meyer, George Zdansky, Howard Menger and various contactees.
		But when I started really looking into it, all those guys were telling the truth.
		Billy Meyer, I even went on TV and I said it was a fraud.
		And six months later I had to come back and say, hey, wait a minute, I've looked at this thing.
		I cannot find anybody who can tell me why it's a fraud.
		On the other hand, I can look at the moving pictures and say that looks real.
		And hear the interviews with Billy Myers and say, yes, that did happen.
		I can't explain it.
		I don't know who they are.
		They say they come from the Pleiades.
		I have no reason to believe they didn't.
		So, yes, I believe that the Billy Myers case is a true case.
		And that would probably answer your question of the Pleiades.
		I don't know.
		I don't know exactly.
		And then the third question was, I think, Art, do you remember?
		Now I don't.
		Well, Billy Meyer was I believe the third question, John.
		Billy Meyer and the P80s and something else.
unidentified		I forgot.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
unidentified		Now I have two.
		I know Billy Meyer was the third question.
		I tried to hold on to that figure and you tackle them in order.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I'm going to go ahead and close the show.
		I'm going to close the show.
		I want to ask my audience something, John.
		I'd like to give some of the people you talked about at the beginning of the program who have seen these craft, including Bob Lazar, an opportunity to call in.
		So I'm asking everybody on the first-time caller line to please hold your calls.
		Please hold your calls, and if Bob Lazar or any of the other people that John spoke about are out there, please try to call us at area code 702-385-7213, 7213.
		How does that sound, John?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		That sounds great.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		You know, Bob has taken so much flack from the public that he's real gun-shy, so I'm not sure whether we'll call in, but it should be no problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps not, but it's a legitimate discussion we're having.
		I would hope he would decide to do so.
		Gee, Bob, back to the time thing for a second now, if we might.
		You were saying, A, it would be possible.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not only possible, it happens quite often.
		I mean this sounds really far out but it's known scientific fact that the closer you
		are to a strong gravity force the slower time moves. Time, gravity and space are all intertwined
		like that. In fact there was a famous experiment that was done. Two synchronized atomic clocks
		were placed side by side at the same time and one was put at sea level and the other
		one was put up either in a plane or a high mountain top, I don't recall which, and when
		they were brought back together they both lit different times. That was because of the
		change in gravity. One was further over to that area near the event horizon or somehow
		was able to survive it, spent a second there, you could come back to earth and a billion
		years could have elapsed. The time reference has completely changed. So the whole key is
		distorting gravity, creating a strong gravitational field which in fact is how these crafts they
art bell ▲ ● ▼		have at F4 are powered. They bend or jump through bends in space or create bends in
art bell ▲ ● ▼		space. How would you explain that Bob? Well they essentially create them. They are using
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		a device to artificially create gravity. This device in turn, part of its nature, gravity
		distorts time and space. It bends space, it bends time and this is how they travel. The
		discussion I got into John was, well gee, is it possible to build something like that?
		Well yeah, if you did have an antimatter reactor or gravity amplifier and had a little bit
		Somehow it could contain the field so it wouldn't crush the occupant, and, uh... Yeah, I guess I know where there's a gravity amplifier, just not too many miles from here, huh?
unidentified		You're so right.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Getting it's the problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, if you could put your hands on something like that, that might be, then, one practical application of the alien technology.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, is it that practical, though?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you did something like that and could turn it on, sit in a chair, And I don't see any way of going back, but theoretically there should be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did ask John this, and let me try it on you.
		He couldn't answer it, so I ought to ask you.
		First of all, could a biological entity pass through a black hole without being disrupted or something?
		And if so, what would be on the other side, Bob?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, and I don't believe anyone does know.
		There just isn't enough information about black holes to come up with that answer.
		As a guess, you look at it from a physical standpoint, the gravitational tidal forces entering the black holes should Absolutely.
		They'll obliterate anything that even comes near it.
		But, you know, stranger things have happened, and maybe not.
		So, really, who knows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much technology are you missing, aside from the gravity amplifier, the aborted to make a time machine, or in fact something that would cause you to travel through time?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are we missing a lot of other technology, or given the gravity amp, could you go from there?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you really don't even have to do that.
		Another way is just accelerating close to the speed of light slows time also.
		That doesn't take any technology, so it's probably not the safest thing to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would theoretically occur to somebody who either came to... Is it possible, Bob, to exceed the speed of light in the physical universe without bending, warping space to do it?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As you got near the speed of light, what would occur in all likelihood to a biological entity?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		All kinds of things.
		First of all, it's not... It would... You know, because of several things that occur, one of them being is mass increase.
		As you approach the speed of light, you begin to increase in mass, and therefore requires more energy to propel you further.
		Or faster, rather.
		You kind of get stuck in a little loop there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then, great distances really are never going to be traveled that way.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		No, they can't be.
		That...
		That just isn't practical.
		On top of that, you can go on for a long time about that.
		It's not practical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really isn't.
		Okay.
		I guess you left the project with the discs at one point.
		You do our audience a great favor by describing in as much detail as you're able to.
		What it is you saw and worked on, Bob?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I looked on one particular craft that I called the sport model because of its very sleek
		appearance. Specifically, like I mentioned before, there was a small reactor that was
		removed from the craft and we essentially back engineered it. What we needed to do was
		find out not only how it worked but also very important to the project was to see if this
		technology could be duplicated. One of the main problems in any kind of aircraft is power.
		With a tremendous amount of power you can basically do anything.
		And here's a reactor that operates, you know, many times more efficiently than an efficient reactor or more efficiently than a fusion reactor, which we haven't even developed yet, you know, ever could.
		And it supplies a tremendous amount of power, and this is Essentially where we decided to start from was to work from here and then go on.
		But all the time that they had this and the time that I spent there, the short time that I spent there, really there's just not a lot you can do.
		We just don't have the materials to duplicate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any ideas what this craft was made of?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of metal or substance it was?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I say it's metal just because I felt it.
		It felt cold.
		It had the appearance of metal.
		The grain structure appeared to be I don't know.
		I'm sure John has mentioned the information is very compartmentalized.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could you describe the interior of the craft?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you inside?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Interior was very bare.
		There had been some equipment removed from it.
		There was a reactor.
unidentified		There were two seats.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		There were two consoles left.
		One large console.
		I call them a console.
		There's nothing on top.
		One of them was removed.
		I believe they're part of the gravity amplifiers that are connected directly underneath.
		They're in a triad formation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These are going to be some silly questions, Bob.
		But were there windows?
		I mean, by what manner could you see or understand any of the technology that was in front of you?
		Normal buttons, switches, gauges?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		It really wasn't anything like that.
		Buttons and switches.
		It really wasn't even wiring.
		I know that sounds really bizarre, but it really isn't that strange.
		It almost appeared to be something similar to a Tesla coil.
		Every time I hit on a topic, I have to regress.
		Sure, I understand what you're talking about.
		But it almost seemed like every piece of equipment was tuned to whatever it was supposed to be receiving signals from.
		It was essentially electrical power transmission without wires, which is not something far out.
		That was something a man named Tesla accomplished in the 30s.
		However, this seemed to be along the same lines, but much more advanced.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So while we're on the subject, do you think mankind will ever manage to bring power from space to Earth through some method or another?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the same sort of technology, I presume.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		That's about the best I can say about that.
		Okay.
unidentified		Well, anyway, back to these... What was it like when you went in the room?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I can only imagine they would lead you in, these guys with their little badges and so forth, and they would lead you into the area you were going to be working on these things, and you must have looked at them and said, you've got to be kidding.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, I only got to physically view the craft.
		Twice.
		Once was when I went inside to see the placement of the parts that I was to be concentrating on.
		The other one was in a short flight test.
		Ah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A flight test.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I wasn't inside.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I saw it from inside the hangar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what did you see?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Just lifted off the ground.
		Almost silently.
		It had a slight hissing sound to it.
		I mean I speak of it nonchalantly right now but there again this was several years ago.
		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know again back for a second to magnetism, large magnetic fields have indeed done strange
		things.
		Do you recall anything of the story of the Philadelphia Experiment?
unidentified		I've heard a lot about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to run things, this is an unusual opportunity Bob so I want to run something by you.
		I had a friend, somebody I regarded as truly honest and extremely credible, and he told me about an experiment that he saw, participated in, in Arizona, in which a very, extremely large electromagnetic field was created.
		And he claims that he saw something disappear.
		I mean, flat, completely poof, disappear when exposed to this field.
		Is such a thing possible?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Ah, well...
		That's kind of a loaded question.
		Is it possible for something to disappear when exposed to a large electromagnetic field?
		Yes.
		Do I think that happened during the Philadelphia experiment?
		No.
		Do I think that mankind right now is capable of doing that?
unidentified		No.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		There isn't sufficient power generated in the entire output of the planet at this time to create a field of that distortion.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would the power plants inside these disks be capable of that kind of generation?
		Yes.
		What was the fuel of these craft, Bob?
		There had to be some sort of fuel, energy burned, expended, used, right?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the fuel was, well, let me digress for a moment here.
		There were three types of nuclear reactions.
		One's the fission reaction, which everyone's familiar with.
		It's Essentially how atomic bombs work.
		It's a splitting of atoms and causing a chain reaction.
		It releases X amount of energy.
		Another more efficient reaction is a fusion reaction, which releases a little more energy.
		Both of these, for instance, when put in bombs, whether they're thermonuclear, the hydrogen bomb, or the fission bomb, an atomic bomb, they use about nine-tenths of one percent of that fuel gets converted into the actual explosive energy.
		Now, if you really think about that, when you're dealing with a plutonium bomb, for instance, you're dealing with, oh, somewhere on the order of about 8 pounds of plutonium, which is about the size, it's a little bigger than a golf ball.
		Now eight-tenths of one percent of that makes that giant explosion that you see.
		All the other material is wasted.
		That's how efficient that explosion is.
		Now an annihilation reaction, which is a conversion, the direct conversion of matter to energy, is a hundred percent efficient, all the time.
		And you can see if If that were put into a bomb.
		I made a tape explaining this, so I didn't have to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you didn't have to explain it all the time to people like me.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I didn't get it back on the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, as long as we're in the categories of fusion, I want to ask one more question in that category, and it has to do with cold fusion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A number of people, even some very recent claims of the creation of cold fusion, Is it going to be possible, Bob, do you think, eventually, to have a cold fusion process?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not.
unidentified		No?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not.
		I'll make a bet on it right now.
		Absolutely not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what was it that these scientists... A lot of power, of course.
		What was it that these scientists came up with that caused the bubbling and the heating and the apparent creation of energy?
		Any idea what it was?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I'm sticking with Los Alamos' explanation.
		It was essentially an electrochemical reaction that took place.
		Did fusion occur?
		No.
		There were far, far too many experiments done, supposedly duplicate experiments, and these yielded no results at all.
		And the physics behind it don't make any sense either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, again going back to the disks, the fuel they use apparently is element something or another that goes beyond our table of elements.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that correct?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I think we are going to be doing a lot of work on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		hands on any 115 but I.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I have had my hands very close to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any 115 that exists outside of S4 now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't have to answer all of these, Bob.
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		I don't have that good of an answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me, since I've got the two of you on the line, what would you say is your greatest area of agreement, the two of you?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we live in Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that makes the next one then very easy.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Are you going to say that I'm nuts?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I'm just kidding around.
		John has a lot...
		I essentially have cut off whatever I haven't had contact with.
		So there can be talks of reptilian-like aliens or abductions and things like that and I know there's lots of evidence that people were abducted and I did see the thing on Fox the other day with a guy that got burns on him and that's all interesting but... Right.
		It is something strange that happens to you once you have been actually involved with
		something.
		You kind of put blinders on to the rest of the world and now you only want to deal with
		something that you physically had hands on experience with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, very much like what I said earlier.
		You have had hands on one of these discs.
		Have you ever seen...
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		No, I am kind of taking the attitude some people take towards me but I am not doing
		it on purpose.
		I say, well, you know, if I actually get abducted then I will start believing that.
		Yeah, I don't get that way, but that's just the way I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but Bob, why, having had your hands on a disk, are you not easily able to make the route to the Greys or the Blacks or any of the other 80 supposed varieties of aliens, in terms of accepting their existence?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure there are other civilizations all over the place, I just...
unidentified		I don't know.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I haven't seen evidence of other civilizations, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you absolutely convinced that those disks and that technology did not come from or originate here on Earth?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Oh, beyond a shadow of a doubt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, unless they were robots.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody brought them here, then.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Oh, certainly.
		You know, some form of other creature had to have brought them here.
		There's no doubt about that.
		I just don't know if there are a hundred different civilizations visiting Earth.
		I don't know if a hundred other civilizations could find it.
		If possible, I just shy away from that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, this sounds then like an area of disagreement between the two of you.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I really can't take a stance on it because I don't know.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		This is just a personal feeling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sort of are cautious, though, in commenting in that area.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh, what would you two say is the biggest disagreement you have regarding all of this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would that be it, or is there some other area?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I... I don't know.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		You'd have to ask John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about it, John?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I don't think we have... I can't think of a real...
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Disagreement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So no real disagreements.
		All right, gentlemen, I'm going to do my best to hold on to you for a while here, if I can, Bob.
		And maybe even take a few calls.
		You up for that kind of thing?
		Are you up, or are you ready to go to sleep?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Sleep is kind of on my priority list here.
unidentified		Is it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you give me a few more minutes?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, very good.
		Then both of you stand by.
		What a distinct pleasure.
		Bob Lazar.
		And, uh, and John Lear, uh, both here, both, uh, together, uh, again.
		I guess they are frequently.
		And, uh, we'll get them back on the air together here in a moment.
		Southwest, I'm Art Bell, and, uh, Bob Lazar and John Lear are both with me at the moment.
		Back to them we go.
		Uh, gentlemen, you're on the air once again.
		Good, uh, good morning.
		Well, Bob, while we've still got you... You know, after you've gone through all this, this disaster that's been... How long has this been going on now, Bob?
		For a couple of years now?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there anything you want to say to everybody about having gone through all this?
		I mean, would you do it again?
		Would you go public again?
		Or would you say, boy, I'd no more open my mouth than the man in the movie?
		I don't know.
unidentified		It's a tough call.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		something that has to be decided on as things are happening.
		But given the same set of circumstances, I probably would have done the same thing, perhaps
		a little different.
		Given the same set of circumstances, I probably would have done the same thing, perhaps a
		little different.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of magazines are writing a lot of things about both of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you find they generally get it right or is it exaggerated baloney that most of them print?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Most of the people don't have access to the information and I'm part of the problem.
		I don't do interviews, I don't do talk shows, I don't...
		I don't go on big lectures, I just don't do anything.
		I'm constantly being hounded for information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So without the information they tend to make some of it up probably?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Some of the information has come out, especially in George Knapp's special.
		That's where I essentially spilled my guts, said everything that happened to me and kind I wanted to really leave it at that.
		The technical information I made a tape about for the people that really wanted to know
		the nitty gritty and left it at that and that was it.
		People would look through those two things and everything that I experienced and happened
		was contained within those two things.
		But inevitably things get screwed up and a lot of hearsay and there is an awful 99.9%
		of the UFO community.
		These people are just absolutely out of their mind and I really want to have nothing to do with them and they're tied in with, I mean, all kinds of strange factions of groups and it's really impossible to weed out I have to stay away from it and that gets people upset and
		thinks I am trying to hide things from them and I am called government agent and stuff
		like that and the list is never ending.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have to stay away from it and that gets people upset and that gets people upset and
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I don't really associate with John Lear does, is all I'm saying, and I, you know, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, comments?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Some of my ideas are put out because I'm not a scientist.
		Bob is a scientist.
		He dealt with things that he saw with, worked with, were proven to him.
		To me, all I'm dealing with is speculation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, to the casual observer, somebody like me, everything you've told me, John, about how they travel, the means of propulsion, the kind of creatures they are, all the rest of this sort of thing, is underwritten or strengthened by what Bob Lazar says.
		I mean, don't you realize that, Bob?
		You're saying, I saw the discs.
		Yes, they exist.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, the information, like I said, the only information I know are the technical aspects of the craft and that information John has, we've talked about that, and he understands it and the information that he relays like that is absolutely correct and I'll verify that.
		I actually got to work with that stuff.
		I don't know You know, aliens didn't take me to their planet.
		I don't have proof where they came from.
		I don't know how any deal was cut.
		I don't know about abductions.
		I don't know about all that other stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen to me, we've got to stop here.
		I've got a newscast I've got to do.
		Please, stay around just a little while longer, will you, Bob?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, stay right there.
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bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		in.
unidentified		Good morning again from Las Vegas and Guatemala.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Coast to Coast AM and I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		My guest this morning, John Lear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now along with him, Bob Lazar, previously a man who actually put his hands on an alien spacecraft and worked on the propulsion system.
unidentified		And we'll be back to him in just a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John Lear. Now along with him, Bob Lazar, previously a man who actually put his hands on an alien spacecraft and
		worked on the propulsion system.
		And we'll be back to him in just a moment.
		Bob Lazar, you're both back on the air again.
		Well, this is flooring me a bit, but it's fun.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		It's really a privilege to be on with Bob.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		He's my friend, but he never goes on any of these interviews.
unidentified		No, it's strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think he would, Bob.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's strange.
unidentified		I get a lot of letters from people and there have been a lot of people who have said,
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		you know, I think he would, Bob.
		I get a lot of letters from people and there have been a lot of people who have said,
		And I would really like to know how this got started.
		I mean, there were people with honest requests wanting to know how much that I would charge them.
		They need to go back to the 50s to rescue their brother from being killed or something like that.
		You know, I really have to make it clear.
		I really don't have a time machine and I don't possess the technology to make one either.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, please don't write to me asking that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is this though, Bob.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you had built a time machine using some of that technology, would you be likely to admit it?
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That may give you some clues to why people think that you may have it, even though you say you don't.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well...
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would like to take just a couple of calls just for the fun of it and let's see if anybody
art bell ▲ ● ▼		has any questions.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Before we do, can I just tell the folks how to get a hold of this tape that Bob put out
		because he won't advertise himself.
		No.
		But I think it's important.
		If you do want to know about this technology and what Bob saw up at the test site, he does
		have a videotape available and you can write to TriDot Corporation.
		That's T-R-I-D-O-T, TriDot Corporation, 1324 Southeastern and that's in Las Vegas.
		And it's Las Vegas 89104 and the price is $29.95 plus $3 shipping and handling.
		And if you want to know about this stuff, you just can't make a better investment.
		I know Bob doesn't advertise this very much but I think it's really important.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's going to be another one too, isn't there Bob?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's kind of in the works but that tape was a lot of people that viewed the first
		tape.
		It's a technical tape, but it's made for the layman to understand all the technology and how it works.
		And there's just been a request for a tape that goes heavy into the physics.
		A lot of technical people, scientists and that sort of thing, want all the specifics exactly, formulas and things along those lines.
		And that's what the second tape will probably cover.
		I'm not really sure about that yet.
		Nothing's been done with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what kind of technology would that give away?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, really, we're just talking about how specifically the amplifiers work, things along those lines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With the knowledge, Bob, of roughly how they work, would it be possible for somebody on this Earth to eventually, do you feel, build or duplicate that technology and build something that would do with that PowerPoint desk?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's just a matter of having access to certain materials.
		With some super heavy elements, such as element 115, with the proper material, we could absolutely build it.
		The technology is not millions of years ahead of us.
		You're looking at technology that's maybe hundreds and hundreds of years ahead of us.
		It's not that phenomenal.
		It really isn't.
unidentified		A lot of people... You're looking at technology that's maybe hundreds and hundreds of years ahead of us.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		It's not that phenomenal.
unidentified		It really isn't.
unidentified		A lot of people talk about it being even billions of years.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		It really isn't.
		The technology is not that processed once you get your hands around it.
		So it is quite feasible that we could eventually duplicate these systems,
		but not with materials that we have readily available right now.
		There would have to be another source for these materials.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I asked this of John, or someone from my agency, or came up in the beginning to the U.S.
		I heard an astrologer who said that the Sun, over the last two months, Bob, has lost roughly one-tenth of one percent of its output.
		Now, while I guess the output of the Sun, which is a nuclear I don't know.
		It does vacillate a little bit.
		This seemed to that person somewhat worse.
unidentified		Any comments on that?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't be really concerned.
		I mean, the sun has a tremendous hydrogen supply, which is the infusion reaction is being converted to helium.
		We don't really have to be concerned about anything running out for probably about 5 billion years, and then at that point, there'll be some pretty dramatic changes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no real problem that could develop that is causing enough of a drop to affect us ecologically.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		No, as a matter of fact, when the sun begins to run out, I feel it's going to swell.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		So, it's not going to burn out, like a candle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we've got just a couple of calls here on our talk show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wild Card Line 3, we're on the coast-to-coast end of the Argyle Dome here in Bob, New York.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		And we're doing good, good, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from, sir?
		Las Vegas.
		Las Vegas, all right.
unidentified		I wanted to ask about the software and the AM1 technology.
		They must operate off of some type of communication frequency.
		Is there any way possible to put together some sort of a transmitter
		so that one could start putting out a signal to them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question. Bob, any insights into whatever communications capabilities there are?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		What bothers me with the communication, and of course there must be some in the craft,
		is that because of the gravitational field, everything is going to be distorted around the craft.
		Whether it's radio waves, whether it's light waves, and in fact someone had asked earlier how craft, I think they asked how craft seemingly disappears or underneath it.
		This again is characteristic of a gravity amplifier that it actually pulls light around it.
		For instance, I even mentioned in my tape that there are stars that are behind the sun,
unidentified		where the sun actually blocks our view and we can see those stars.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		The reason why is the sun has a tremendous amount of gravity,
unidentified		pulls the light from the star up and around the sun so we can see it.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		In these disks, when they're operating, you're seeing something called an Omicron configuration.
		If you're standing underneath the disk, you can't see it.
		You can only see the sky above it by the way light is bent around the craft.
		Now, the way I understand is to envelop the craft, I can't see how radio waves can get into the craft.
		Then it starts coming at me for a while.
unidentified		So there must be some other form of communication.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would the gravity amplifiers themselves possibly provide the key to the kind of communication they'd use?
		In other words, something propelled or moved through time or space or both with the same technology.
		In other words, lasers for example can be modulated and you can use light to pass noise.
		I mean, I think that's a good question. I mean, I think that's a good question. I think
		it's a good question. I mean, I think it's a good question.
		So I wonder if their technology might have any other key to their communications.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I think it's a good question. I mean, I think it's a good question. I mean, I
		It's quite possible. Quite possible there is something called along the lines of a gravity phone.
		think it's a good question. I mean, it's a good question. I mean, I think it's a good question.
		I mean, I think it's a good question. I mean, I think it's a good question. I mean, I
		think it's a good question. I mean, it's a good question.
		I haven't seen anything along those lines that the craftsmen would assume.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, when the communications might be as good as, uh, advanced or different, uh, would we be better off?
unidentified		Would it bring anything more familiar with traditional RF frequencies?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Probably.
		Because they're traveling such tremendous distances, uh, the craft would get their news before their transmission did.
		So, they can't use regular radio transmission.
		They have to use something that actually bends ligaments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, one of the things that, uh, any insight into that at all Well, my dear one, the ability eventually then to communicate, if not travel to these creatures, you've got to communicate with the point of origin.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Right, I agree.
unidentified		Now, wildcard line 2, you're on the coast-to-coast AM with the group.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, are you there?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Let's, uh, turn the radio off, number one.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Okay, okay.
unidentified		I've been trying to get to you for a long time.
		Where are you calling from?
		I'm calling in from Las Vegas.
		All right.
		Go ahead.
		Uh, the first question is, uh, this is directed to John Mayer.
		Do you have any philosophy about your own career or creation?
		of the Supercar that was to be built in Texas.
		Was that one being cleared to the technological advances?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there is a question for each one of us.
unidentified		What are the early philosophies?
		And I'd like to hear Bob answer on the Supercar.
		I've heard many people say, oh, they're building that to make 115.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I've never asked Bob about it coming in 115.
unidentified		What can you tell us about the Supercollider?
unidentified		To be honest with you, I don't know a whole lot about the Supercollider.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I do know the basic plan and what they're attempting to do.
unidentified		Is it going to be built to make 115? No.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Again, this is going to assemble an incredibly heavy element like that.
		Other elements that were synthesized up to 109, and that hasn't been really documented.
		But these have been put in accelerators for an incredibly long time and at a tremendous cost of electrical power.
		and we essentially have a yield of one or two atoms of a substance.
		If you're talking about something much higher than that, like element 115,
		it's inconceivable.
unidentified		You'd have to have this tremendous thing running at full power for decades
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		just to wind up with several atoms of a substance, if it can be done.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I've always contended that element 115 has got to, it must have been naturally created.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm right on top of another break, and gee whiz, there's just not enough time to say goodbye, so I guess you'll have to stand by, both of you, to notice the tricks of the trade.
unidentified		We're listening to CBC's BRN network right back.
unidentified		This is area 51.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Bob LaVar and John Mayer.
		I guess, my my, we're getting back out of the cone.
		And you're both back on the air again.
unidentified		Yeah, I didn't know I'd do it.
		Again, it's an honor for me to come on the same program as Bob.
		I know that Bob couldn't do it any other way.
		I don't know how he did it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is indeed an honor to have you here, Bob.
		Anyways, if I might, let's expose you both to some more people.
		Wild Card Line 3, we're on air coast to coast.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		Oh, yes, yes, we are.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		This is my second time.
unidentified		I called earlier on the first time call line.
unidentified		You couldn't remember my third question, which had to do with Atlantis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thank you.
		Yes, thank you.
		And thank you for the call back.
		John, that's right.
unidentified		Atlantis, yes, there are problems.
		You know, it's based in fact on a lot of mythology.
		The one thing that I can't find any information on is whether the dragon jumped off of a room or something.
		And usually the basis of things is often most mythology.
		Something happened to make that happen.
		Everyone wanted her to drive with the kids, but...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You!
		Oh, all right.
		Well, at least you addressed it.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh, good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the Coast to Coast AM with, uh, with Luke here.
unidentified		Hi, I'm trying to reach another area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you coming from?
unidentified		Uh, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Arizona, all right.
unidentified		Yeah, uh, I wouldn't be nervous to, uh, kick me a popper, you know.
unidentified		You say you're nervous, you go out.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		But, uh, I don't know where I can get the papers from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Um, John, why don't you go ahead and give out the address for the TriDot Corporation.
unidentified		T-R-I-D-O-T Corporation.
		And it's 1324, that's 1324, South Eastern.
		And it's one service to the hour.
		And it's one service to the hour.
		8-9-1-0-4.
		So I'll say this for that one.
		89104.
		89104 and it's $29.95.
		And that's $2 shipping, apparently.
		And you'll really enjoy it.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bob, I have a question for you.
unidentified		Has anybody who's read these stories or any of the publications
unidentified		or any official government agency subjected you to any sort of
art bell ▲ ● ▼		truth-telling trauma, injections, machines?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you look up anything to try and verify what you said?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, when I first mentioned it to the television network up here,
		I voluntarily took my detector test, but I never took any truth-telling.
		No one else has come after me or forced me to do anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm a local news anchor.
		I guess went along with you and went along with you to look at and investigate it.
		If you want, you can choose personal determination after you finish looking into both the facts.
unidentified		Do you know?
		George and Abnerian?
		That's right.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to answer that question.
unidentified		Uh, he and Flo hit the ground illegally.
		He, uh, remained discreet with himself on a news show by, uh,
		and, uh, the girl said, Well, George, what do you think?
		And instead of this stuff, he said, Well, I'm sure I should.
		Uh, well, I think it's just a small investigation.
		He said, I believe it.
		And he was, uh, called the cops by his boss for saying that.
		Bob, he was saying that so did he see anything that we didn't see?
		So, did he see anything that we didn't see?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Uh, may have had access to some information.
		May have had access to some information but now George wasn't that ardent of a believer in the beginning as I was
		Uh, but now George wasn't that ardent of a believer in the beginning,
		as I was, and even before I got involved with the project.
		and even before I got involved with the project but George did go to great lengths traveling with me to Los Alamos
		But, uh, George did go to great lengths, uh, traveling with me to Los Alamos, and, uh,
unidentified		I mean, going all over the place, tracing down leads, and, that I believe in and he was called the Palace Star, he was
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		and I mean going all over the place, tracing down leads and things added up quickly to someone that put in that much
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		effort and he essentially put everything together and you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have that show on tape, it was really something.
		Alright, just one more very quick interruption gentlemen, I'll be right back to you, stay right there.
		My guests are John there and Bob Lazar and if you've been with us and you well understand the nature of the
		discussion if not then stay tuned, if you are not there on TV, TV and
unidentified		radio networks, go click there, go click there and go file back
		and you'll be fully afforded to come back.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there anything Bob that since you don't make public opinions and you don't go on talk shows,
art bell ▲ ● ▼		is there anything that you've been wanting to say to the public and haven't had a chance to for a while?
unidentified		No, nothing that comes to mind at this very moment.
unidentified		All right, let's take a couple of more calls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, Wildcard Line.
		Show you on the coast to coast and then we'll go to the pier.
		Thanks for taking my question, John LeRoy.
unidentified		Um...
		What any of this has to do with the English Hoopfields that are making those designs?
		And which aliens changed this with 64 different modifications?
		Was it the Graves?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I'm interested in directing a little of that to Bob, Bob, since you're a physicist, these
art bell ▲ ● ▼		damn crop circles, they really are all over the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're in Australia, they're in too many places for two guys and a board and a chain,
unidentified		you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What could that, what could they be?
unidentified		I don't know, certainly, it's a...
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Certainly, it can be.
		I mean, it's possible.
		I'm sure there are other explanations.
		It could certainly be the footprint of one of the crafts.
		The crafts can certainly be at altitude and compress a wheat field down like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not a problem.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		As far as what else it could possibly be, some other probaic explanation, I really don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And John, I think there was more of a question for you.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Um, you said what, what, what coincides with, uh, with the genetic alterations.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I like Bob to answer that because he's the one that wrote the document,
unidentified		and I just quote from what he said.
unidentified		Alright.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		That was supposedly the, what people call the gray, the race from the way to articulate.
unidentified		Um, so, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh, let's just keep moving here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning. You're on the air coast to coast AM with Art Bell, John Moon, and Bob Lazar.
unidentified		Yes, uh, question for Bob Lazar.
		Uh, I was reading an article in the Los Angeles Times from November,
		and it was regarding a, uh, experiment going on, uh, approximately two miles
		inside, uh, Mount Andreevsky in, uh, southern Russia with, uh, Vladimir Garvin,
		uh, regarding the neutrino.
		Are you familiar with that at all?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I'm familiar with the neutrino, but not the experiment they're conducting.
unidentified		Oh, really? Well, uh, I suggest that you get that article in the Los Angeles Times
		and then really enlighten me.
		I was, uh, uh, curious if you, uh, were able to make any, uh, connection between, uh,
		the, uh, neutrino and the, uh, Gilliam, Gilliam experiment, uh, being done by,
		what's called SAGE, S-A-G-E-E.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		What, what, what specifically were the Russians doing?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a combination of...
unidentified		Well, it's a combination Soviet and U.S.
		experiment.
		I was hoping you could answer the question.
		The people are looking for subatomic matter.
		All right, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that one of the purposes of the accelerator in Texas?
unidentified		Well, that's certainly one of them.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of a useful tool.
		It's kind of a useful tool. There are a lot of things you can do through an accelerator on the subatomic level,
		but certainly one of them is the building blocks, what actually compromises protons and neutrons
		and looking at the different flavors of, let's say, quarks and other subatomic particles
		that only exist in areas of extreme energy and only come into an existence,
		or only were in existence at the very creation of the universe.
		In exploring the subatomic world, you're kind of looking back in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bob, again, I'm not a physicist, but I heard also from this astronomer,
		perhaps a person who I've talked to earlier, that we are, from time to time,
		able to detect neutrinos from the sun here on Earth. Is that correct?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		you Well, first of all, our neutrinos are designed to really work very much.
		But, yeah, neutrinos are not only produced by the sun, but we can detect them.
		Neutrinos will go clear through the Earth.
		In fact, it's theorized that a light-year of lead, I mean, it's somewhere on the order of 6 trillion Yeah.
		That's why I was interested to see what experiments the Russians were doing with neutrinos, since it would be very hard to interact them with any matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The former comment was they were worried that they had not been detecting as many neutrinos as they once did, and this was some sort of source of worry.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Neutrinos really don't do any... I would find it difficult for it to be a source of...
		What happens when you collide with a black hole?
		That's the only problem.
		As far as the antimatter explanation, I think they've almost ruled that out, because there would be some residual byproduct of that reaction that could probably still be detected today.
		But really, again, it's after the fact.
		It was a long time ago.
		1918, maybe 1930, boy that age just flips my mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, that's fascinating.
		Line 3 in Las Vegas, you're on the air coast to coast with the group here.
		Good morning, Las Vegas Line 3.
		I guess not, gentlemen. Las Vegas Line 1, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, my question is directed to Mr. Lear, and it has to do with the way the aliens communicate.
		I had an experience many years ago where I received a message.
		It was a wordless knowing.
		You have one master as a guest, and I've heard him speak of that.
		The only way I can describe it is a wordless knowing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		that wordless knowing might be described as intuition?
unidentified		Well, I always thought it was a message from either the creator or the savior or a guardian angel.
		However, just listening to this program tonight, I think possibly it could be a mermaid
		because they communicate telepathically. And that's, I think, what this was.
		And it, by the way, it was a kind and helpful knowledge.
		I was following it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, R-Tel Horn Air.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Good morning, Mr. Lear and Dr. Lazar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very good.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I'm a doctor, by the way.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Ah, well, well.
unidentified		Degrees, to me, mean doctors, unless you have a temperature.
		I see.
		My first question is for Mr. Lear.
		I'd like to see Um, where I could get a information on that hands-off law regarding intact UFOs, fragments, and the occupants?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		and the occupant.
unidentified		Well, I'm glad you all circulate this poll data.
		Well, take an attendance call.
		And it is...
		14...
		Have you been fined, Bob?
		of the Code of Federal Regulations.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		What it says is, anyone who sees it and approaches it in your code
		and is able to touch the object may be liable for $5,000 fine
		and or a year in prison if he or she does not submit to detention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you been fined, Bob?
unidentified		No, I've never heard of this before.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Where are you reading this from, John?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		The Code of Federal Regulations, 14.12.11.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It has to be actually in your code.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		And it says what if you have touched the UFO?
unidentified		Yeah.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Anybody who sees or approaches a UFO or touches the object may be liable for a $5,000 fine and or a year in prison if he or she did not submit to detention.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		See Bob, just like I submitted to detention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to say just one more insult.
unidentified		I have a couple of questions for Mr. LaVar very quickly.
		I don't know. I know very little about them. What was the first question? I'm not sure.
		I couldn't possibly regurgitate that. You should answer that one first because I don't
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, think about it.
		Listen, folks, Bob, I'm only going to request that I have you for about seven more minutes, if I can have you that long.
		And then we'll do the last hour with John.
		Bob, it's been such an honor.
		Both of you stand by for a second.
		Got it.
		And we'll do that, and we'll do this.
		Good morning again from Las Vegas.
unidentified		I'm Art Bell with John Lear and Bob Lazar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're back on the air again and I'll give you a final moment to get plugged in for where
art bell ▲ ● ▼		to get back to you in a moment.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the coast-to-coast AM of what I now call The Group.
unidentified		Where are you calling from, Dave?
		I'm calling from San Fernando, Mexico.
		Mexico, okay.
		This is indeed an honor and a pleasure.
		I had an experience in the mountains of New Mexico which after viewing some objects in
		the sky I started to write down some things in the following days.
		One of the things that I drew was something like a sphere with almost an ethereal ring
		around it or a field around it and I wrote down... it had an aspect of folding and bending
		and I wrote down seven other aspects and then when I listened to your show in August and
		Bob Lazara I ordered your tape immediately after that and it put shivers and chills through
art bell ▲ ● ▼		me.
		This is the first time Bob has ever been on the air with me that I'm aware of anyway,
		but indeed John was here and talked about Bob's...
unidentified		Well there was another gentleman with John at the imaging program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Yeah and anyway one of the aspects that I wanted to ask Bob Lazara about, if he had
		any opportunity to read or view any documents about the energy... one of the things that
		I...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're going to hurry, you know.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		There's like a telepathic communication with the aliens that seems to come through the DNA strand that goes from one wing to the other.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		This is an image that came through, and I was just wondering if Bob had any information on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		No, nothing pertaining to any form of communication or imaging coming through the DNA strands.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Nothing along those lines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right. Very good. Actually, we'll be in squeeze one more in.
		Good morning. You're on the air. Chris Coghan with Art Bell, John Lear, and Bob Lazar.
		Where are you calling from, Chris?
unidentified		Scottsdale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Scottsdale, Arizona. Go ahead.
unidentified		Hi. I believe, if I understand the idea, it is that the souls on Earth are kind of imprisoned on Earth
		and when the bodies die, we go somewhere, to an alienscape or somewhere, and then we come back to the bodies.
		Is that right, you guys?
		Roughly, yeah.
		Okay. Well, my question is, is what do you guys think about the idea,
		if someone could lose our planet, you know, on a space ship or something,
		and they died, then what would happen to their soul?
		I mean, would there be free, in a sense, of the prison that apparently, you know...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right. We'll have to hold it there. Anybody want to tackle that?
unidentified		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good question.
		No comment, and good question.
		All right, we're so out of time.
		One, I want to say it has been an honor, Bob Lazar, to have you here this morning.
		Thank you.
		Quickly, John, give out the address.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it's 8.8, yes, 5. Corporation, that's C-R-I-D-O-T Corporation, 1324, 1324 Southeastern,
unidentified		and that's Las Vegas, 89104, and it's $29.95 plus $3 shipping and handling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, Bob Lazar, I've got to say to you, what a pleasure it has been. Thank you, and will you join us again sometime?
unidentified		Yeah, sometime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright. I know it doesn't happen frequently, but it has been on this morning, so thank you, Bob.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that was really nice, John. I'm going to try and talk you, John, into staying with us for yet one more hour.
		You can do that, too.
		and people are pretty hot to talk to you after all this, so stay right where you are.
		In fact, everybody, stay where you are. There is yet one more hour to go.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Smalls Haven, on the radio for KBWN radio. I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		This has been all you've asked for and more.
		Bob Lazar has been with us for the last two hours.
		Welcome back to the show. John Willis is still with us now.
		We'll get back to him in just a moment.
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		The Moth Bazaar has been lit for the last two hours.
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		I'm going back to him in just a moment.
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		And now back for another hour in what has been an incredible show with John Lear.
		And Johnny there?
		How are you?
		Boy, this has been something, hasn't it?
unidentified		I really enjoy being with Bob Arlen.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		The only thing that really irritates me about Bob is he's so gracious.
		People can ask him the dumbest questions and he never gets irritated.
		He just goes from dot to ground zero and explicitly explains where they're going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the mark of a good teacher.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I have a, you know, very short pamphlet to the, uh, dumb question, and, uh, about his relationship with Ray Grayson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he is, and, uh, it was rare to get an interview with him as he had suggested.
		He just doesn't do them.
		All right, uh, back from home, uh, for John Lear, good morning on the first-time caller line.
unidentified		You're on the air coast-to-coast AM with Art Bell.
		Hello?
		Hi.
		Hi.
		Um, I'm just calling to comment on the Lazar tape.
		I hadn't heard about it in August when John Murray was on the program.
		And it's, um, very informative.
		It really answered a lot of questions for me.
		And I just wanted to thank Bob for making it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, well he's now gone, but I'm sure he's hearing you.
unidentified		Okay, great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, thank you and thank you for calling. Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wild Card Line 3, you're on the coast to coast AM with Outbound John Lear. Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to talk to your guests here about Uranus and Neptune.
unidentified		When they crossed their path, the Berlin Wall came down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now it crosses its path February the 3rd, 1993, three different times.
unidentified		And an astrologer told me that a cataclysmic event may take place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I invite you to check your astrological signs and check your sophilis.
		Alright, thank you.
		And John, what about astrology?
		It's a little bit of a comment, I suppose.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I have a friend who is a very knowledgeable scientist who works for a major corporation
		who really believes in astrology.
		And there's a book that he's trying to publish now which tells why he believes that.
unidentified		And who knows, maybe there is something to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And one other question, John, keen on what he said.
		Regarding the possibility of a cataclysmic event in our near or foreseeable future,
		any reason to believe that something like that could happen?
		I've already proved myself a terrible prophet, so I'll just put two and three together.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the first time call of Orion, you're on the coast to coast AM with Art Dungeon.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		From Las Vegas.
unidentified		All right.
		incredibly interesting show tonight. Thank you, as well as Mr. Lee and Mr. LeBron.
		The question I have, and I hope somebody can answer it, is a gentleman named Joseph Newman,
		who lives somewhere in Mississippi about, I think this was about 15 years ago,
		who invented some sort of a machine that, and I'm not quite as scientifically oriented,
		but to the best of my knowledge, you could put in something like one volt going in,
		and the machine would produce like 1.5 or 2 volts or 10 volts or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hadn't he gone on Johnny Carson or something?
unidentified		He was. I was wondering if Mr. Lee or Lazar would know anything about that,
unidentified		and why it was never, you know, it seemed to be just a wash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's Lazar, and he's now gone. But John, do you have any comments on that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, more output than input?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, I just, I don't have any comment, but that's one of the things I like hanging around Bob,
john lear ▲ ● ▼		is he gets to the bottom and he tells you immediately whether he would be left or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, the person you wanted is now gone, sir.
unidentified		Okay, but what I was beginning to understand was that, you know,
		this was like physically impossible, but yet, you know, it had been studied by a number of scientists,
		and nobody could quite distinct it as well as everything that was going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Most legitimate scientists would look at it very rarely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You generally just don't get more out of an inert device than you do when you put it in.
unidentified		Well, thank you for the program. I enjoyed it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call, and good morning.
		And line one, you're on the coast-to-coast ambulot on John Lear. Good morning.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Mr. Lear, I have two or three questions for you.
		You were talking about time travel a little while ago, and you mentioned it also on the last program that
		they actually had conducted successful experiments.
		Which questions did I fill out about those conductors?
		Yeah, on your last program, you indicated that it may not have been any good for this earth.
		Well, I'm sorry.
		My question, though, is are you familiar with the Rainbow Project,
		the Montauk Project, and the Phoenix Project?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		The Phoenix Project, so as you've got the chance today, I'll be the first one.
unidentified		Exactly.
		You know, the Philadelphia experiment, what I wanted to—I mean, I've been reading these books,
		talking about that, and the things are just so fantastic in there.
		He traveled 40 years into the future from 1943 to 1983, and then back again to 1943,
		and this is all a result of attempts to make a battleship, the destroyer, I guess it was, invisible,
		the USS Olympus, and as a result, not only did it become invisible,
		but it went through time and space.
		And so I was wondering what your opinion on that is.
		If you have one at all on this kind of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right. Thank you.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I'm not inclined to believe it.
		I try to stick to kind of nuts and bolts and things I can see and stuff that Bob told me,
		and I just don't—I know Al, and I haven't talked to him very much about Montauk,
unidentified		but I just don't believe it.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller of the line, you're on the air Coast to Coast AM with John Lear and Art Bell.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Hi.
		I have two questions.
		All right.
		You mentioned something about when you die, your soul goes to heaven, and the aliens... No, I'm sorry.
		When you die, the aliens take your soul to another planet?
		No, I... No, see, how did you hear all that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, tell them what you know about souls and containers and such.
unidentified		You know, it's just theory, but supposedly we mean, refer to it as containers.
		Now, if by saying containers, they mean that we contain the soul,
		then obviously they're doing experiments with the soul.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And when you die, supposedly they collect the soul, and they put it in another container, and I don't know that
unidentified		to be true.
		I mean, it is what you say.
		Is there anything else you need about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there anybody who's written anything good about this, John?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Whitley Strieber.
unidentified		I've discussed with that.
		What does he do?
		He makes books.
		What's his name?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Strieber.
unidentified		S-T-R-E-I-B-E-R.
unidentified		Strieber.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, sir, he'll spell it for you.
unidentified		S-T-R-E-I-B-E-R.
		Whitley Strieber.
		He's written two or three books.
		Okay, the other question was, I know this is all speculation, but is there any speculation about there being
		an alien culture that's non-violent with no state structure?
		I don't know anything about that.
		You don't know anything about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I have I. Is that it, sir?
unidentified		Yes, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, thank you.

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