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Dec. 12, 1992 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Area 51 - John Lear - Bob Lazar

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		In industrial design in college, then pursued his aviation career flying airplanes, seaplanes, colliders, gyroplanes, helicopters, balloons, and fighter-type aircraft.
		While attending high school in Switzerland, Lear became the youngest American to climb the Matterhorn in Zurman.
		In 1968, he pylon raced a Douglas B-26 Invader in the Reno Air Races, the largest aircraft ever raced at Reno at the time.
		At age 28, he was one of the youngest Boeing 707 captains to fly in commercial airline service.
		A former Nevada State Senate candidate, John is the son of William P. Lear Sr., designer of the Learjet executive aircraft, the 8-track stereo, and founder of Lear Incorporated, now Lear Siegler Corporation, a large defense contractor.
		Lear has written extensively about airplanes and other subjects and was Middle East correspondent for Combat Illustrated between 1975 and 1977 while stationed in Beirut, Lebanon with a cargo airline.
		Although Lear's father was outspoken in his belief of the existence of extraterrestrial visitors, to the great concern of the Pentagon, by the way, particularly because Lear Sr. was head of a large defense contracting company, John only became interested in the subject himself seven years ago after talking with an Air Force pilot who was stationed at Bentwaters Air Force Base near London,
		England, where three small aliens were photographed by the Air Force, actually photographed by the Air Force, walking up to Wing Commander General Gordon Williams.
		Lear's extensive worldwide civilian, military, and intelligence contacts have made it easier for him to penetrate the secrecy surrounding the subject of UFOs.
		Then, in 1988, John became acquainted with a government scientist who worked at Area S4, part of the super secret Area 51 at the Nevada test site.
		The scientist was a member of the most classified government research team then in existence.
		It was their job to research and try to duplicate the propulsion system of nine recovered alien aircraft in storage at the Nevada test site.
		Maria is an amateur astronomer and photographer and has won several awards for his photos taken during his worldwide travels.
		He owned and campaigned the 12-meter America's Cup boat Soliloquy out of Marina Del Rey, California for two years.
		He is vice president of the Generals Ward and Chennault Post No.
		1, the Soldier of Fortune Post of the American Legion, and a member of the Special Operations Association.
		John currently is chief pilot for a cargo airline, flies Boeing 727s throughout the Caribbean and South America.
		Lear has four daughters, lives in Las Vegas with his wife, Marilee, a former actress and youngest daughter, Jacqueline, 15.
		His hobbies include gardening, carpentry, and UFOs.
		I added the last.
		And so away we go without any further introduction, and that just about did it.
		Here is John Lear.
		Good morning, John Lear.
unidentified		How are you, John?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
		Good to hear you again.
		John, there's been an awful lot of stuff going on, and that's mainly why I had you back besides the general discussion, which we always end up in.
		There's a whole bunch up I want to ask about.
		Number one is my sighting.
		Now, I don't know whether you've heard anything about this or not, but I'll tell you, John, I really did see a couple of things that may be nothing more than, you know, fallen something or others.
		But on my way in from Peron toward Las Vegas, I have now seen in three different times what I don't know what it was, John.
		It looked on the one hand a little bit like a falling star.
		Seen falling stars alive.
unidentified		And this was not typical of a falling star.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was more like I've described it as a green fireball trailing fire behind it in a trajectory across the sky.
		It wasn't small.
		It wasn't like a typical falling star that we've all seen for years.
		It was, and I'll tell you why I'm mentioning this, John.
		It's because I said it on the air, and you wouldn't believe the derogatory mail that I've received.
		I didn't, I jumped around and said it's seed pod or something coming down, but that was just a joke.
		And for having this and reported on it, you can't believe the mail that I've received, John.
		And so that sets me to think, if that got me that kind of mail, and I said at the time, could a falling star?
unidentified		I don't know, but sure was strange.
unidentified		I can understand what you've gone through.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's been quite an adventure since I accidentally got into this in 1985.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		It sure has.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bet, do you get, John, quite a bit of abuse of, come on, what kind of nut are you kind of, you know?
unidentified		No, as a matter of fact, I think I gotta do any of those at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		One or two in the last five years.
		Oh, I got all kinds of, you know, Art to take a vacation, Art.
		Working these guitars must have gotten to you, it's Rudy.
		But I really did see these things, John.
		I don't suppose you have any thought or have heard anybody else talk about it.
		Lean fireballs is what worked.
		Well, it could have been the short helicopter, right?
		Oh, no, John.
		Nor was it pomp gas, humidazard.
		It may have been a gigantic falling saw.
		I have no way of knowing, John.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, there's a lot of reports in 19, I think it was 48, 49, 50 in New Mexico Green Fireball.
unidentified		What to those?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I haven't heard too many recently, but there certainly was back then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I could only describe it as trail fire, sparks, and so on.
unidentified		And the sucker was really moving.
		I mean, it just went across a trajectory in the sky in just, oh, I don't know, four or five seconds.
		It was really moving.
		Oh, there's a lot of strange things going on.
		Yes, there are out in my valley, John.
		I see some mighty strange stuff.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I watched, I don't suppose you had to see sightings last night, did you?
		No, I probably sightings last night did a little segment on angels.
		And I hate to start in on this so early, but they commissioned the Gallup people to do a poll and ask the American people how many, by percentage, believe in angels.
		This will surprise you.
		65% of the American people, according to Gallup, believe in angels.
unidentified		How about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it lays in a sense, because if that many people could believe in angels, I would think that also a very, very high percentage could believe that these UFOs are more than just something identified.
unidentified		Wouldn't that make sense?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I think you would.
unidentified		Okay, I've got a number of other things I want to cover with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Associated Press, a couple of days ago, John, reported on a very close call for Earth.
		At first, I thought that it was an old report, but then they began to say, as we slept last night, a two-mile-wide asteroid passed within two million miles of Earth, which they considered to be just close within a cosmic brink.
		And I note that in all of these, and there have been several instances like this lately, John, they always tell us about it after it has passed.
		John, can you hold on a sec?
		She's got to do a break.
unidentified		Stand by.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Talk radio in the nighttime from the great American Southwest.
		I'm Martell with John Lear.
		And we're going to be talking UFOs and other strange things this morning.
		So back to it we go, and John.
		John, that was a big rock.
		I mean, a two-mile-wide asteroid that passed right by.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And I always tell us for all records.
		I think that happened about six months ago.
		Yes, it did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it did.
		That's what I'm recalling.
		And it's been a series of these, John.
		Are we just going to sort of not wake up one day?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Probably be like that.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Remember, a couple years ago, they got Dan Quayle head of some deal that was supposed to look out in space and see if there are any asteroids headed this way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody poo-pooed it.
		I recall at the time, oh, what a waste of money, they said.
		But I'm tired of hearing about all this like a baseball score, you know.
		It seems to me, aren't we keeping track of these things?
		Shouldn't we be?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think so.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		There's certainly a lot of them out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's the big $64,000 questions, John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Suppose they saw one headed our way that wasn't going to miss.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Would they miss?
		Intercepted him, and he thought, well, I'll go along with him.
		They can't prove anything.
		And then shot him down when they got him over Russia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy mackerel.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		But they couldn't prove it one way or the other, and they didn't want to risk the 707s, which I was flying.
		So they went another way, and that's my understanding.
		I didn't participate in the other one, but it's my understanding they went through Dubai, which would just cross the Persian Gulf into Turan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're pretty confident that because they have officially closed this, which was my reference the other day, that they will not, upon hearing what you've just said, reopen it or there'll be cries to reopen it?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think so because they'd have to let Rushbucker testify, and he's the SR-71 pilot that brought him back, and they just don't want to get into it.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we just killed one hour dead, John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So stand by, relax, get some coffee or whatever, and we'll come back and do another.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, stay right there.
		Hurricane Southwest, I'm Martell, back with John Lear in a moment.
		And I responding to what John said, and I know John's listening right now, I regard the possibility of aliens and UFOs in the same way, I guess, I do, as the existence of the Creator.
		And that has always been a problem for me.
		I'm probably an agnostic.
		I would say an agnostic.
		People will call me and tell me, you must admit the presence, you must accept him.
		And I know all that.
		I've heard all that a million times.
		But I'm the kind of person that has such a hard time accepting something I can't put my finger on, something that I can't prove.
		And I'm still that way.
		And that leads me into a position where I appear to vacillate back and forth.
		And I do.
		I can't say that our Lord exists.
		I hope he exists.
		I believe he exists.
		But in terms of absolutely my being able to say he exists, I don't know that I can.
		And the same thing applies with UFOs, which I have never seen.
		Anyway, we'll get back to it in just a moment.
		You're listening to the CBC and VRN radio networks, the perfect gift.
		Here we are again.
		I'm sure you heard what I had to say at the top of the hour.
		And it is kind of that way, John.
		I just am not an absolute believer nor a disbeliever.
		My mind is open.
		I am impressed with the number of sightings and the things that we've talked about.
		In fact, it's frightening.
		But without hands-on, you can't make that final, or I can't, I should say, make that final step, that leap to, yes, they exist.
		But you have, haven't you?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		But if you'd have walked in my shoes for the last five years and had access to all the information I had, you'd probably believe as I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		All right.
		So they are real.
		What are they, John?
		That's what a lot of people Want to know that haven't listened before what are the creatures that are in these flying things?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, I used to say that there was 80 different species visiting us.
		There's probably more.
		There's certainly more than that out in the universe.
		And there's all different kinds.
		There's the little gray people that do the abductions.
		There's ones that look just like us.
		And there's some awfully weird ones.
		There's just about any ones that you can imagine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do they want?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, supposedly, at least according to the documents that were read by Bob Lazar at the test site, we are an experiment.
		We were genetically changed, genetically experimented with.
		They made, I think, 65 separate collections to make us what we are now, which is containers.
		They refer to us as containers.
		What we contain, it wasn't specified in the documents.
		You can speculate it might be souls, it might be blood, it might be enzymes.
		But in any case, the aliens referred to us as containers, and they made these containers.
		Now, according to the documents he read, they also engineered the world's major religions.
		And they did that in an effort to organize and pacify.
		They created the miracle so that we would believe in an entity, so we would not go out and rape and murder and pillage and that kind of stuff.
		We were giving the Ten Commandments to live by, mainly so that they could organize and pacify and keep us all going in the same general direction.
unidentified		They are our creators, supposedly, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that one of those things you're certain about, or does that hang in the air more as a theory, John?
unidentified		Oh, it's looking more and more correct.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Who knows what the truth is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I want to do, I want to start taking a few calls, John, and we'll kind of hopscotch our way through the night here.
		A lot of people that want to talk to you, and I should service some of these blinking lines, so let us sporadically begin doing that.
		Good morning.
		On the first time caller line, you're on the air coast to coast AM with John Lear and Art Bell.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Yes, I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Washington State.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the state of Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're on the air with John Lear.
unidentified		Yes, Mr. Lear, do you believe that there may possibly be some sort of an invasion where they are taking over phone line flat messages over televisions and so forth?
unidentified		Do you believe this can be a possibility?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'd be a pretty open operation, wouldn't it, John?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if the government itself wasn't doing that, certainly the alien could probably be doing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I got a funny fax the other day, John.
		Listen to a little bit of this.
		If you use a modem, you are monitored.
		Every time you file up the modem, you activate automatic monitoring equipment.
		I work for a large telephone network that routinely monitors modem and fax transmissions.
		They view whatever is transmitted, even encrypted data.
		Your government allows this under the heading maintenance monitoring in the FCC rules.
		Monitoring can continue for six months without legal procedure.
		The rules are part of an obscure pre-World War II action by the FCC's predecessor agency saying no information may be encoded or transmitted over public or private forms of telephone or radio with the exception of government agencies involved in national security.
		So they monitor fax and modem transmissions.
		Our government monitors all of this stuff.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was told the other day that not only that, but they can monitor your house through your cable, for your TV.
		I had a friend who worked for a cable company.
		He said it was very highly sophisticated.
		He stopped short of saying that they could actually watch you, but they can certainly monitor you through the cable TV.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This comes, by the way, from a fellow ham radio operator who works for a company that does this kind of work up in the Bay Area, so he knows what he's talking about.
		And I guess just about everything certainly is monitored.
		Have you ever been concerned about that, John, on a personal basis?
		Certainly if I were in the government, I think I would monitor John Lear very carefully.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't worry about it because I know what goes on.
		In 1987, just after my series of lectures here, and I appeared on TV a couple times, I have a couple of teenagers here, and the Centel guy was up here putting in some phones, and he came in one morning and said, hey, John, do you know your phone's tapped?
		And I said, really?
		And he said, do you want me to find out where?
		And I said, yeah.
		So he went out, and he came back about a half an hour later, and this guy said, you know, I went from behind your house up to the pole, then I went over to Monroe Street and then down to Hollywood Boulevard and then down to Nellis and down to Bonanza.
		And he says, it's further than that.
		He said, I'll be back in a little while.
		I want to check what's going on.
		So he didn't come back until the next morning.
		And when he came back, he said, John, I can't talk to you anymore.
		And I said, what are you talking about?
		He said, I'm going to be on another route.
		He said, what happened is I got traced to your phone cap to the mainframe at Centel.
		And he said, I went to the FBI, and the lady there said that if I didn't like my job, I could quit.
		He said, so I went home last night, thought about it.
		I went into work this morning and that same lady was walking out of my boss's office and said the same thing to me.
		So they made it very clear that if I made any noise, that I wouldn't have my job.
		And I know who the guy is.
		He's still.
unidentified		I know where he works.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And a couple of the other Centel guys often come by and say so-and-so says to say hello to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, that's creepy, but it's not a surprise.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		There's no question in my mind that we're monitored.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		I guess then your attitude just becomes, who cares?
		You know, I'm aboard, and I'm going to just keep doing what I'm doing, or does it intimidate you to know that?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't intimidate me.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Everything's on me up and up.
		I'd like to expose some of this stuff that's going on.
		I don't think a lot of it is right, but it doesn't seem like we can do much about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line 3, you're on the coast-to-coast day in about Don John Lear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from, sir?
		I'm calling from Mesa.
		Mesa, Arizona.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		They made it very clear that if I made any noise, that I wouldn't have my job.
		And I know who the guy is.
		He's still.
		I know where he works.
		And a couple of the other Sentail guys often come by and say so-and-so says to say hello to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, that's creepy, but it's not a surprise.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		There's no question in my mind that we're monitored.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess then your attitude just becomes, who cares?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm aboard, and I'm going to just keep doing what I'm doing, or does it intimidate you to know that?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't intimidate me.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Everything's on the up and up.
		I'd like to expose some of this stuff that's going on.
		I don't think a lot of it is right, but it doesn't seem like we can do much about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line 3, you're on the coast to coast to him without Bell and John Lear.
		Good morning.
		Good morning, Art.
		Where are you calling from, sir?
		I'm calling from Mesa.
		Mesa, Arizona, yes, sir.
		All right.
		I'd like to ask him if it would surprise him to know that Clinton's mother's maiden name was Rockefeller and that his real name was William Jefferson, B-L-Y-T-H-E IV.
unidentified		Wright.
		Wife.
		The fourth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is all of that a surprise to you, Joe?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, I think what he's saying is everybody's connected that goes in the government.
		We think that we're getting somebody new, but really, the President of the United States is just a figurehead.
		It really doesn't make any difference there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Of those nights, we've got Joe Ear with us, and some of the information you're hearing and will hear will be very troubling.
		Even frightening to some.
		And if you are one of those people, please eat now, turn on, go to bed, have a good night's sleep.
		And we'll see you some other morning.
		With the rest of you, we now continue.
		John, clean out the petri dish is where we left off.
		And you know, I've got to say, John, since the ending of this Cold War, here we are in Somalia.
		You and I talked about that the other morning here in the air.
		And there are how many other Somalias out there?
		This earth, John, is a mess right now.
		It is the most unorganized, warlike mess I've ever seen.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		You're right on that.
		I was just wondering why it will all become apparent to us in about six months.
		And I really don't know what the reason is, but there's obviously a method to this madness of going into Somalia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm troubled by the whole operation, and I see it as the first step in the grand new world order.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, I wonder if you view it the same way.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know about the New World Order, but there are some very strange things going on.
		By the way, for the guy who wanted Rustbacher's address, you can write to his wife.
		Her first name is R-A-Y-E-L-A-N Ray Ellen Rustbacher, R-U-S-S-D-A-C-H-E-R.
		And it's post office box 3078 Carmel, California.
		And the zip is 93921.
		And she's trying to help get him out.
		But back to Somalia.
		It certainly is a strange area.
		I was back there in 1977 during an arms airlift there when we went in after the Somalis kicked the Russians out.
		And we wanted that Berbera, that deepwater port on the Red Sea.
		And what happened is that the Somalis traditionally had been supported by Russia and the Ethiopians where they were fighting were traditionally supported by the West.
		But they didn't have any ammunition, but they had the guns.
		So since there changed different sides, we had to get the Russian, or what they call East Bloc ammunition to the Somalis.
		So I was in an airlift that left from Hungary through Saudi Arabia down there.
		It went on for a month, I think three or four months, taking ammunition down there so that they could fight the war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We took East Bloc ammunition?
unidentified		Yeah.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, it was coordinated right at the very top of the State Department.
		We had to get them ammunition somehow, so there was kind of a high-level trade going on.
		And I don't know where the West Block ammunition, I think it came out of Vietnam.
		This was in 1977, so there was a lot left over from there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure is incestuous, isn't it, this arms thing?
		Well, again, back to the broader picture, John.
		They claim absolutely no national security interest whatsoever, purely humanitarian.
		And I'm sure they would say the same thing if Bosnia is our next object of attention.
		I have felt rather manipulated all the way through this, John, as though we saw all the pictures of the starving and we were emotionally worked up and they prepared us.
		The media literally prepared us for what we're now doing over there.
		And would I be wrong in saying I was manipulated?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, you were manipulated, but to what end I'm not sure.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I know it was a lot easier going in Somalia than it would have been going into Bosnia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, support for the election.
unidentified		And if it is a success, there are many, many already calling for Bosnia to be the next one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And from there, why there's a whole list of places we could intervene in and try and make this a better world to live in.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		We certainly have to find an enemy because we have billions, hundreds of billions of dollars being spent on defense.
		And we're not flying a Martian aircraft 285,000 feet to airdrops into Somalia.
		So I'm sure that if there's not a legitimate enemy out there, that they can certainly whip up an enemy for us to fight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Another quick break, John.
		We'll be right back.
		And, you know, that's a good question.
		Exactly why I'm flying that aircraft.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		It's aircraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John has some strong views in many areas, including aliens, UFOs, and I guess our political course in this country as well.
		And back now to John.
		John, exactly why are we developing the Aurora aircraft?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		You know, the exact same question that you just asked was asked by Senator Robert Byrd, who's the chairman of the Senate House Appropriations Committee.
		And he went to the Deputy Secretary of Defense and said, hey, what is that airplane that goes Mach 8?
		We don't see anything in the budgets.
		Now, Senator Byrd is one of 16 people who is allowed to see everything in black budgets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he said, I don't remember signing anything on that.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		There was nothing under there.
		So they had some other questions, too.
		NBC, April 20th, ran a story about saucer-like objects over Groomlight.
		Banner 13 had some strange lights that they photographed over Groomlight.
		Aviation Week, May 11th and August 24th, had pictures of strange contrails.
		You know, there were those skyquakes in Southern California.
		Wall Street Journal comes out with a story.
unidentified		All these things seem to say that there was something strange going on.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		So the Senate, so Byrd sent out a guy to Las Vegas here last Saturday with Dick D'Amato, senior legislative aide.
		And he was going to make a surprise trip to Groom Lake, and he told us that, you know, if there was stuff going on and it wasn't through the normal budget, that he was going to pull the plug on Area 51.
		So he goes up there on Monday to Groom Lake to tour around and see if any of that stuff is there that we are saying is there, namely Aurora, S4, the discounted S4, the new unfunded secret airport called Sandia next to Paiute Mesa.
		And he went up to Groom Lake.
		As fate would have it, it was snowed in that day, and they told him that they couldn't take him anywhere because of the snow.
		He said he wanted to go down to S4 and they said, oh, you've been talking to a Baldazar guy, huh?
		So apparently he's going to go back in two weeks, and they said that they would take him down there in two weeks, but they wouldn't find anything.
		They told him that there was nothing there.
		So I imagine two weeks will give him enough time to move stuff out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There won't be anything there in two weeks.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I don't have anything against black budgets or anything against secret projects, but when you consider the American taxpayer is footing the bill for these operations and all likelihood is paying two or three times the real cost for the legal budget programs to support the black budget programs, you know, you might want to know who the enemy is that we're really preparing to fight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was the nature of my question.
		What do we need this aircraft?
		We have met the enemy and he is us in the sense that with a well-defined, understandable enemy or not, we're going to keep doing this, period.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line 3, you're on the coast to coast AM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll look at all in John Lee.
unidentified		Good morning.
		I'll notify Mark.
		I would like to ask him if he has heard of L. Fletcher Prouty.
		Yes.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Sure, he was L. Fletcher Proudy, one of the four people made up composite Mr. X in the movie in Joe F2 that Harlan Stone made.
unidentified		Correct.
unidentified		And I really got an enlightenment about Vietnam and why Vietnam happened.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Elfletcher Proudy wrote a book about 20 years ago called The Secret Team, and he's just recently written another one that elaborates on that.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Proudy's one of the good guys.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, ma'am.
		Appreciate your call.
		John, I'm going to ask you to comment on kind of a general topic here.
unidentified		One of the good guys, you said.
		The UFO community, and it's pretty large.
		There are a lot of people who talk and lecture.
		You're probably one of the most affected community.
		And there is an unbelievable amount of dissension among UFOologists.
		Why?
		What's going on here?
		Why is there so much dissension?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Is it why at the other day they founded their first UFO because they thought everybody would demolish generally a win?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		But it's not the case.
unidentified		There is a lot of different views.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Aster Grind, the Bill Coopers who are real out on one end, and the Linda Howes who are out on the other end.
		Exactly.
		And Established, you know, trying to bring some sensible sense to the thing, and it's just difficult to do.
		Everybody has a different act to correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've noticed that every time the two people don't agree, the standard thing seems to be to accuse the other guy being a CIA disinformation operative.
unidentified		Out of the standard motorcycle enda.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you don't agree with me, you've got to be CIA.
		This will be disinformation.
		And boy, these charges and countercharges just fly, don't they?
unidentified		All right, let's take some more calls.
		Good morning.
		I'm the first time caller line.
		You're on this coast to him with our phone charter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Where are you calling from, Mr. Well?
		Suzanneville.
		All right, turn your radio off and go ahead, John.
		It's right here.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing, John?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Do you pretty good?
unidentified		How you doing?
		Well, I've got him.
		My comment, John, is you were talking about how the thing is.
		Difficult.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm thinking the Christian thinking is if this thing came out the way that you're talking, all the Christians, or a good percentage of the Christians, would probably have a second thought about Christ.
		And that is the reason that the government is kind of holding this back.
		Is that the way you're trying to explain it?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's correct, but when you say all the Christians, you know, you think you're talking about a lot of people.
		Remember, there's six billion people on this planet, and, you know, five billion of them aren't waiting for Jesus to come back.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But how about the idea of maybe Satan, who is supposed to be running this world prior to this returning, drumming up this infatuation?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, you look at Satan Jesus Christ.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, you look on both aspects and the way that the Bible reads, I think is that Satan's supposed to be running this world until Christ returns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And maybe this is the big plague that Satan is playing.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's that could be both because I try to see how to do this aspect because it's just I should not promote, you know, if you want to talk about God the amplifiers and anybody that can, that's what I want to talk about.
unidentified		But I kind of screwed it to these aspects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm open-minded myself.
		I believe in Jesus Christ, but I still am open-minded to these UFOs and what have you.
		But I'll stand by here and listen a little bit more of this program or watch it on television if I'm doing through the satellite.
		So I appreciate the call.
		All right, Jerry, we appreciate your call.
		Thank you very much.
		It is inevitable that people want to mix the religious aspect into it somehow.
		And there really is.
		It's just that when we don't talk about it, it really gets a lot of people angry, which is exactly why the government release all this information, isn't it?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		It's tough to talk about it.
		A lot of people have grown up with that belief, and they really believe it, and it just could cause a lot of problems.
		So you can see your point of view about opening the door in the first place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you were correct that 5 billion people are not waiting for Christ to return.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of that billion, a significant number of them are here in this country, and it would disturb them greatly.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's take one more quick break here, John.
		Stand by a sec.
		You're listening to John Lear on the CBC and DRN radio network.
		And again, I say, if this is all going to disturb you, then turn it off.
		Don't keep listening to see how disturbed you can really get.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		The human form that was on the Earth at that time, and that's what the 64 collections were made from.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		They didn't create them from the beginning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then our ancestors are some other sort of space creature that was modified genetically into whatever we are right now?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Whatever was here, to my understanding, they genetically altered whatever it was here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is, I believe, turning to reality, or a hard documentable reality, there is a missing link.
		There is a period of time, and they just cannot calculate how mankind made the jump, made the leap, how the intelligent aspect of man was.
		And there is that, in hard science, there is that area, is there not, John?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, it's tough to believe when you figure out what the odds are, either there's too general belief that we evolved from matter that fell out of a, you know, out of a comet and landed in the sea, and then you started off with the slime, and then something crawled up on the beach, and he eventually evolved from there.
		I mean, there's only, that we know of in 18 billion years, the greatest odds that you can think of wouldn't have permitted man to have genetically come from that kind of a sequence of events.
		The other is that the man was made out of clay.
		So you can pick those, or, as Gene Huff says, you can be an externalist and believe that we were modified by an external factor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, this brings me to something else then, John.
		All of these abductions, these cattle mutilations, it kind of gives credibility to what you've said, because if we are, in effect, an experiment, surely those conducting the experiment would, from time to time, need information to continue the experiment, or decide not to, heaven help us.
		And so then would that be the reason for the abductions?
		Inevitably, they talk about medical exams.
		They were examined medically, John.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Right, that might be the very reason for the abductions.
		All of the abductions are kind of a medical exam.
		They put something here and put something there, and sometimes it's painful, sometimes it's not, but that would, you know, they're checking to see how the experiment is going and whether it's time to clean out the petri dish or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, wildcard line three, you're on the coast to coast aim with John Leonard Bellheim.
unidentified		Good morning.
		John, look, I'm not being personally argumentative, it's just that I have a set of ideas too, and I kind of think it's challenging to think this way because we all want answers.
		But how would you explain near-death experience?
		And that would be my first question.
		Secondly, you say not to turn it into religion.
		I've never been religious per se, like I don't go to church, and I don't believe in that.
		But I have a very strong sense of a God figure for many other reasons.
		And having been an atheist when I was young, read a lot of books by people who gave me better answers than a Bible as far as actually could man create God or God create man.
		And I'm a real strong believer, okay, in a beginning and a creator.
		I would say that as far as they go, I don't say they're not real.
		I've never explained, even on our Delta show, my experience with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		There have been some.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we're going to have to hold it there.
		Listen on the radio.
		We'll get you an answer.
		It is an interesting area, John, this Business of near-death or death experiences, you know, the bright light a little bit.
		So many have had it, John.
		Any thoughts on the matter?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		It's my personal opinion that the soul goes on forever and ever.
		And that when you depart this body, there is a short time when you can see down and see what's going on before you go to wherever it is we go.
		Now, reincarnation was something that Jesus taught.
		But at the first meeting of Nikai, I think, which shows in 325 AD, and then there was also a meeting in Constantinople in 1200 A.D., they modified what we call the King James Version of the Bible.
		They took a lot.
		As a matter of fact, they really took about 95% of what Jesus taught out of there.
		One of the things they took out was you can see down and see what's going on before you go to wherever it is we go.
		Now, reincarnation was something that Jesus taught.
		But at the first meeting of Nikai, I think, which was in 325 AD, and then there was also a meeting in Constantinople about in 1200 A.D., they modified what we call the King James Version of the Bible, and they took a lot.
		As a matter of fact, they really took about 95% of what Jesus talked out of there.
		One of the things they took out was the idea of reincarnation.
		I do personally believe in that, and I believe the soul goes on and on and on.
		So that's the answer, or what I think the answer is to the near-death experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, this is going to get into the area that I was afraid of, but I can't resist.
		Containers, vessels.
		That's what we are.
		Possibly containers or vessels for the human soul that we're now talking about.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Possibly an experiment will perform.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What, John, pure speculation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you suppose our creators, our alien scientists that have created us, what use would they have for the human soul?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		Apparently there's a lot of interest by one species, the Grays, in emotions.
		And they take a lot of time to apparently talk to the abductees about emotions.
		I've heard of experiments they do with people to create emotions.
		For instance, there was a case down in Florida where a guy was abducted and he was put in a long curving corridor with two children.
		And down one end, as bizarre as this may sound, here comes a fire breathing dragon.
unidentified		So he turns around, runs the other way, and there's a door.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		He goes into a door and there's a barrel.
		And his decision was, does he put one kid in each barrel and let the dragon eat him?
		Or does he get in the one barrel himself and try and put the other two in there or what?
		And this was one of the experiments, and I don't remember how it came out, but this is one of the experiments they do in trying to either understand or experiment with emotion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then you might conclude that emotions, anger, jealousy, all the strong ones, have some value to them.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Possibly, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or they are themselves some sort of energy that can be used in some way.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, apparently, at least according to the adeptees, the graves don't understand it.
		They don't have emotions themselves, at least like we do.
		And they're trying to understand the emotions as we deal them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Wow.
		Well, we're plotting a lot of new territory this morning.
		It's very, very interesting.
		Let's pick up another call quickly.
		Wildcard Line 3, you're on the Air Coast Coast and with John Learn Art Bell High.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Thank you, Art.
		I have two quick questions, and I'll listen to them off the air.
		Number one, what these people that have been abducted by aliens and been experimented on, have they ever suffered ill effects when they get back to Earth from the medical experiences?
		Second question, has John Lear ever known many Navy aviators and has he ever had a desire or has he ever landed on an aircraft carrier?
		And I hang up and listen.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		The first one was about adductees, and what was the question?
		Is he any ill apex?
		First of all, I don't think they leave Earth.
		Some of them go maybe a short ways out, but most of them has been relatively close here.
		Yes, they do suffer ill apex.
		Some of them are quite traumatized by the experience.
		That's why they form these encounter groups where they can talk to others who have had the same experience.
		Brian Hawkins is quite active in those type of groups where they try to help people who have been traumatized by this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, right, John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you see the one on the sightings, the fellow who had the returning red marks on his belly?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, but I've heard about that case.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, similar to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's talk a little bit about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a break coming up, so stand by, John.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		We'll do that in the Canadian Naval Adviews question because I want to answer that.
unidentified		All right, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're listening to the CBC and BRN networks.
		I'm our bell with John Lear.
		And we're going to continue through the night with some pretty strange stuff.
unidentified		If you're frightened by all this sort of thing, turn your radio off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't expose yourself to something that could be harmful to you personally.
		For the rest of you with strong constitutions, let's continue.
		Good morning again, John.
		Let's cover what we were going to.
		We'll get to the naval aviators.
		But the lasting effects, and I was telling you about the fellow with the returning red marks that I think was on sightings, a very convincing case.
		How many people have physical effects that endure?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know what you mean percentage-wise?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, how many have you ever heard of?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've looked into so many of these cases, you know more.
unidentified		Lots.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Lots.
		They all have a little scoop that's taken out as far as physical things.
		A little scoop, a little scoop of skin that's taken out, and they have a mark on their ankle or their leg or their arm or something.
		They're told that they're just taking genetic materials back to wherever they come from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interestingly, our own government has recently announced that it has begun a program of gathering first on the military and then probably others, blood samples for genetic recording.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, aware of that, were you?
unidentified		Yes, I was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Naval aviators, have you ever landed on an aircraft carrier?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		First of all, he asked if I ever knew any, and if my answer is yes, I was taught by a naval aviator how to first help fly.
		He was a transport pilot.
		His name was Hal Herman.
		He used to live in Montague, California.
		I don't know whether he's still there or not.
		But I've known a lot of Navy pilots.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have I landed on a carrier?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No.
		But to me, that would be the most exciting experience to land on a carrier with 100 and a quarter visibility on a pitching deck at night.
		That would be the epitome of airmanship.
		And I know that there's a lot of guys that have done it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you endeavor to do it if you had the chance?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, I certainly need a lot more training than I have now.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		But that really takes airmanship is to land those jets on the pitching deck at night in extremely low visibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, John, I'm told what you just described was one of the most terrifying things a pilot can ever do.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can imagine, because, you know, we don't have all that much fuel.
		It's not like they can say, well, if I may, you know, I'll just go back to shore.
		You know, sometimes they're quite a ways from shore, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		That's their only camp.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Very quickly, we're short on time this hour.
		Wildcard Line 3, you're on the Air Coast Coast and with our phone, John Learn.
		Not a lot of time.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		This is San Diego Castillo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, Mr. Learn?
		Yes.
		About the antigen reactor?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You know, I saw, I thought the problem was on video, and the last part it goes, heat is taken in by the thermal electric generator.
		Yes.
		So that means that the gravitational system is electricity.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		The thermal electric generator is separate.
		That's what provides a positive volt for the operation of the trip.
		What Pete didn't describe and what the next one will describe is how the gravity B wave works.
		And basically the gravity B wave forms like an electrostatic charge on the top of the anti-matter reactor.
		And it's channeled and amplified through the wave guides down to the gravity amplifiers.
		And that what's used to make the pull the space towards you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Caller, we're out of time this hour, so I've got to scoop.
		I guess there'll be yet another tape that will explain all this.
		John, we've got a break for just a few minutes for the news, and we'll be right back.
		Okay, stay right there.
unidentified		Eric, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You up for a few phone calls?
		All right, you better.
		All right.
		Good morning.
		I'm the first time caller line.
		You're on the coast to coast damn with Art Bell.
		I'm John Lear.
unidentified		Hi, I have two quick questions for Mr. Lear.
		I remember one, a little while ago you said we might start seeing something in about six months.
		And second of all, when is your next speaking engagement?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You want to take that on the air or right here?
		What did I say about six months?
unidentified		Well, okay, we'll go ahead and Ted having to take it on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He said that at one time you had stated you thought that perhaps something would become apparent to the American people in about six months or something would start happening.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Like a German interviewer told me the other day, I'm a great researcher, but a terrible prophet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were interviewed by the German press, is that correct?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there was a guy in here, and a very interesting guy.
		As far as my next speaking gave, and I only give about two a year, and I don't have one planned.
		Two a year, and I don't have one planned.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to take a few local calls here, John.
		Let's see.
		Line one, you're on the Air Coast to Coast A.M. with John Lear and Art Bell.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, I live here in Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And one morning at 9 o'clock, my son and I were going out to take the trash out, and over a junior high school on the western side of town, we saw an object that was somewhat triangular and hovering, and it hovered for 39 minutes.
		It changed its attitude a number of times.
		It shined bright lights on us, and it changed its color a couple of times.
		It went up, it went down, it went diagonal back again.
		We watched it for a long time.
		I had two radio towers, two airplane towers on the, I had two phone lines in the house, and this time I wish I could see it.
		They wanted to see it.
		And I could see no one saw this tower from my home.
		I told this story to a couple of people, two of which were in the Air Force, and they both cautioned me never to tell the story to anyone again.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		When was the state of that?
unidentified		That was about four years ago.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what size was it approximately?
unidentified		Twice as big as the stuff.
		It went from silver to white.
		It changed color.
		My portable phone went dead and I ended up on the regular phone.
		It wasn't scary.
		It was fascinating.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a lot of that happens around the Las Vegas area and they can fix it so that only the one that they want to see can see it.
unidentified		And you can even be in a crowd and the rest of the people won't see it.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And you're saying, well, what do you mean you can't see it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's right there.
unidentified		I don't like that.
unidentified		I don't like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't like that either.
		And let's ask about that.
		Thank you, ma'am.
unidentified		Thank you.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		John, any explanation for the kind of technology that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some sort of hypnosis, mass hypnosis, or you know, who I guess could guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, you don't know.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, first time caller line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air with Art Bell and John Lear in Las Vegas.
unidentified		Yeah, I'd like to ask John Lear if he's familiar with Zachariah Sitchin, any of his writings regarding the Sumerian tablets.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've read most of his books, and he's got some real good ideas.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		He's probably on to a lot of good things there.
unidentified		And I just wondered how your research is, you know, if it ties in with any of his things or not.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, most of it ties right in.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		He had a particularly interesting one called The Twelve Planet.
unidentified		Right.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And there's some very interesting aspects of that.
		Should be back around soon.
		I don't know.
		When did he say it was coming back?
unidentified		I'm not too sure about that.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, he has a real, real interesting set of books there.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I would recommend that to anybody who was interested in it.
unidentified		His research shows that there's been visitations from other planets back in those days.
unidentified		And could you kind of confirm that?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no question about it.
		He has some very good evidence that there's been all kinds of wars and monkeying around with the human race and modifying this and modifying that.
		Very good book.
unidentified		Okay, well, thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for the call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John AIDS.
unidentified		AIDS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		AIDS looks like it's going to end up taking an awful lot of people out, John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I guess it is your view that AIDS, which is a unique genetic bonder of cells, I mean so unique as to almost be impossible, you would think, engineered, engineered by humans, engineered by aliens, purpose, what do you know?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's my personal opinion that it was engineered by the government, specifically the U.S. government, that it was specifically an accidental release.
		It was specific.
		It was first released in Africa in, I think, 1975 through the smallpox vaccine that was released through the AIDS virus.
		And then it was released in the United States, I think, in 1978.
		They specifically wanted to infect a large number of people, but I don't know why.
		And that's just opinion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Pretty dark opinion.
		Pretty awful to imagine our own government would have done that to us and the world.
		Purpose, unknown population reduction, possibly, Joe?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you say population reduction, it seems that they want to infect people, but it would certainly seem that there would be a better, a faster way of getting rid of large numbers of people.
		We would, suppose they did infect everybody in the next five years.
		AIDS doesn't kill immediately.
		It takes one to ten years, and you would certainly overtax the hospital's ability to respond to so many people long before you'd be seeing a number of deaths.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's an obviously good point, Bright.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the Air Coast to Coast AM with John Leonard Bellheim.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
		Let me give you a short story.
		I'm somewhat of a theologian and an amateur ufologist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you find yourself in conflict?
unidentified		Well, that's an interesting question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, no.
unidentified		I studied the Bible profusely.
		I was one of the original Jesus people.
		And I used to go to bed at night with the Bible on record.
		And I find so many things being explained to me now by recent phenomena.
		And people like John Lear.
		And, of course, there are as many questions as there are questions answered.
		But, you know, the human mind is a phenomenal creation.
		And, you know, in addition to being somewhat of a theologian and a ufologist, I'm also an optimist.
		I do believe in the reality of Jesus Christ.
		And, of course, not to dwell on the religious aspect, but I do believe that the book of Revelation is now being opened and revealed to us.
		And the amazing things that came across and that will be revealed to us now, as it said, that they would be sealed until the last days.
		And I have a couple questions.
		Let me get to them.
		Yeah, go ahead.
		Okay.
		I just came across some recent writings on Pleiades, the constellation of Pleiades.
		And there seems to be a lot of tie-ins with that.
		And to get a little far out, the lost city of Atlantis.
		And also, I'm curious about what your opinion is of the Billy Meyer experience.
		I'll hang up and just listen to those three things.
		Billy Meyer, Pleades, and Atlantis.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		All right.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		When I first got into this, what they call upology, I found out that to be accepted by the mainstream, you had to disregard Billy Myers, Damsky, George Damsky, Howard Minger, and various contact case.
		But when I started really looking into it, all those guys were telling the truth.
		Billy Myers, I even went on TV and I said it was a fraud.
		And six months later, I had to come back and say, hey, wait a minute, I've looked at this thing.
		I cannot find anybody who can tell me why it's a fraud.
		On the other hand, I can look at the moving pictures and say, that looks real.
		And hear the interviews with Billy Myers and say, yes, yes, that did happen.
		I can't explain it.
		I don't know who they are.
		They say they come from the Pleiades.
		I have no reason to believe they didn't.
		So, yes, I believe that the Billy Myers case is a true case.
		And that would Probably answer your question of the Pleiades.
		They certainly fit into this question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I don't know exactly.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And then the third question was kind of thing.
unidentified		Art, you remember?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Billy Meyer was, I believe, the third question, John.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Billy Meyer in the Pleiades and something.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, I forgot.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now I have two.
		I know Billy Meyer was the third question.
		I tried to hold on to that figure and maybe tackle him in order.
		All right.
		I want to ask my audience something, John.
		I'd like to give some of the people you talked about at the beginning of the program who have seen these craft, including Bob Lazar, an opportunity to call in.
		So I'm asking everybody on the first-time caller line to please hold your calls.
		Please hold your calls.
		And if Bob Lazar or any of the other people that John spoke about are out there, please try to call us at area code 702-385-7213-7213.
		How does that sound, John?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		That sounds great.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		You know, Bob has taken so much flack from the public that, you know, he's real gun-shy, so I'm not sure whether he'll call in, but it should be not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps not, but it's a legitimate discussion we're having, and I would hope he would decide to do so.
		Gee, Bob, back to the time thing for a second now, if we might.
		You're saying, A, it would be possible.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not only possible.
		It happens quite often.
		I mean, this sounds really far out, but it's a known scientific fact that the closer you are to a strong gravity force, the slower time moves.
		Time, gravity, and space are all intertwined like that.
		In fact, there was a famous experiment that was done.
		Two synchronized atomic clocks were placed side by side.
		They were at the same time, and one was put at sea level, the other was put up either in a plane or a high mountaintop.
		I don't recall which.
		And when they were brought back together, they both lit different times.
		That was because of the change in gravity.
		One was sort of over to that area near the event horizon or somehow was able to survive it, spent a second there, you could come back to Earth and a billion years could have elapsed.
		You know, the time reference has completely changed.
		So the whole key is distorting gravity, creating a strong gravitational field, which in fact is how the crafts, these crafts they have at F4 are powered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They bend or jump through bends in space or create bends in space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How would you explain that, Bob?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, they essentially create them.
		They're using a device to artificially create gravity.
		This device in turn, part of its nature, gravity distorts time and space.
		It bends space.
		It bends time.
		And this is how they travel.
		The discussion I got into John was, well, gee, you know, is it possible to build something like that?
		Well, yeah, if you did have an antimatter reactor or gravity amplifier and somehow it could contain the field so it wouldn't crush the occupant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And gee, I guess I know there's a gravity amplifier just not too many miles from here, huh?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		You're right, getting it's the problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if you could put your hands on something like that, that might be then one practical application of the alien technology.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, is it that practical, though?
		Well, you did have some good thing like that and could turn it on, sit in a chair.
		And there's really, I don't see any way of going back, but theoretically there should be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did ask John this, and let me try it on you.
		He couldn't answer it, said I ought to ask you.
		If you could, first of all, could a biological entity pass through a black hole without being disrupted or something?
		And if so, what would be on the other side, Bob?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, and I don't believe anyone does know.
		There just isn't enough information about black holes to come up with that answer.
		As a guess, you know, you look at it from a physical standpoint, gravitational tidal forces entering the black hole should absolutely obliterate anything that even comes near it.
		But, you know, stranger things have happened and maybe not.
		So really, who knows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much technology are you missing aside from the gravity amplifier, the ability to make a time machine, or in fact, something that would cause you to travel through time?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are we missing a lot of other technology, or given the gravity amp, could you go from there?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, you really don't even have to do that.
		Another way is, you know, just accelerating close to the speed of light slows time also.
		that doesn't make any technology.
		No, it's probably not the safest thing to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would theoretically occur to somebody who either came to...
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As you got near the speed of light, what would occur in all likelihood to a biological entity?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		All kinds of things.
		First of all, it's not, it would, you know, because of several things that occur, one of them being is mass increase.
		As you approach the speed of light, you begin to increase in mass, and therefore it requires more energy to propel you further, or faster rather.
		You kind of get stuck in a little loop there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then great distances really are never going to be traveled that way?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		No, they can't be.
		That just isn't practical.
		On top of that, yeah, you can go on for a long time about that.
		It's not practical.
		It really isn't.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess you left the project with the discs at one point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Will you do our audience A great favor by describing in as much detail as you're able to what it is you saw and worked on, Bob.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I worked on one particular craft that I called the sport model because of its very sleek appearance.
		Specifically, like I mentioned before, there was a small reactor that was removed from the craft, and we essentially back engineered it.
		What we needed to do was find out not only how it worked, but also very important to the project was to see if this technology could be duplicated.
		One of the main problems in any kind of aircraft was power.
		And with a tremendous amount of power, you can basically do anything.
		And here's a reactor that operates many times more efficiently than a fission reactor or more efficiently than a fusion reactor, which we haven't even developed yet, ever could.
		And it supplies a tremendous amount of power, and this is essentially where we decided to start from, was to work from here and then go on.
		But in all the time that they had this and the time that I spent there, the short time that I spent there, really, there's just not a lot you can do.
		We just don't have the materials to duplicate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any ideas what this craft was made of?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of metal or substance it was?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I say it's metal just because I felt it.
		It felt cold.
		It had the appearance of metal.
		The grain structure appeared to be metal, but I don't know.
		You know, like I'm sure John has mentioned, the information is very compartmentalized.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could you describe the interior of the craft?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you inside?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Interior was very bare.
		There had been some equipment removed from it.
		There was a reactor.
unidentified		There were two seats.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		There were two consoles left, one large console.
		I call them a console.
		There was nothing on top.
		One of them was removed.
		I believe they're part of the gravity amplifiers that are connected directly underneath.
		They're in a triad formation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These are going to be some silly questions, Bob, but were there windows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, by what manner could you see or understand any of the technology that was in front of you, normal buttons, switches, gauges?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		It really wasn't anything like that.
		Buttons and switches.
		It really wasn't even wiring.
		I know that sounds really bizarre, but it really isn't that strange.
		A lot of the equipment, it almost appeared to be something similar to a Tesla coil.
		Every time I hit on a topic, I have to regress.
		Sure, I understand what I'm talking about.
		But it almost seemed like every piece of equipment was tuned to whatever it was supposed to be receiving signals from.
		And it was essentially electrical power transmission without wires, which is not something far out.
		That was something a man named Tesla accomplished in the 30s.
		However, this seemed to be along the same lines, but much more advanced.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, while we're on this subject, do you think mankind will ever manage to bring power from space to Earth through some method or another?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the same sort of technology, I presume.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		That's about the first I could say about that.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, anyway, back to these.
		What was it like when you went to move?
		I mean, I can only imagine they would lead you in, these guys with their little badges and so forth, and they would lead you into the area you're going to be working on these things, and you must have looked at them and said, you've got to be kidding.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, I only got to physically view the craft twice.
		Once was when I went inside to see the placement of the parts that I was to be concentrating on.
		The other one was in a short flight test.
		Ah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, a flight test.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I wasn't inside.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I saw it from inside the hangar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what did you see?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Just lifted off the ground, almost silently.
		It had a slight hissing sound to it.
		And drifted.
		It was quite amazing.
		I mean, I speak of it nonchalantly right now, but it's, you know, there again, this was several years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		You know, again, back for a second to magnetism.
		Large magnetic fields have indeed done strange things.
		Do you recall anything of the story of the Philadelphia experiment?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I've heard a lot about it.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		A lot about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I want to run things.
		This is an unusual opportunity, Bob, so I want to run something by you.
		I had a friend, somebody I regarded as truly honest and extremely credible.
		And he told me about an experiment that he saw, participated in, in Arizona, in which a very extremely large electromagnetic field was created.
		And he claims that he saw something disappear.
		I mean, flat, completely proof, disappear when exposed to this field.
		Is such a thing possible?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's kind of a loaded question.
		Is it possible for something to disappear when exposed to a large electromagnetic field?
		Yes.
		Do I think that happened during the Philadelphia experiment?
		No.
		Do I think that mankind right now is capable of doing that?
unidentified		No.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		There isn't sufficient power generated in the entire output of the planet at this time to create a field of that distortion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Would the power plants inside these disks be capable of that kind of generation?
		Yes.
		What was the fuel of these craft, Bob?
		There had to be some sort of fuel, energy burned, expended, used, right?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the fuel was, well, let me digress for a moment here that there are three types of nuclear reactions.
		One's a fission reaction, which everyone's familiar with.
		It's essentially how atomic bombs work.
		It's the splitting of atoms and causing a chain reaction.
		It releases X amount of energy.
		Another more efficient reaction is a fusion reaction, which releases a little more energy.
		Both of these, for instance, when put in bombs, whether the thermonuclear, the hydrogen bomb, or the fission bomb, an atomic bomb, they use about nine-tenths of one percent of that fuel gets converted into the actual explosive energy.
		Now, if you really think about that, when you're dealing with a plutonium bomb, for instance, you're dealing with, oh, somewhere on the order of about eight pounds of plutonium, which is about the size, a little bigger than a golf ball.
		Now, eight tenths of one percent of that makes that giant explosion that you see.
		All the other material is wasted.
		That's how efficient that explosion is.
		Now, an annihilation reaction, which is a conversion, the direct conversion of matter to energy is 100% efficient all the time.
		And you can see if that were put into a bomb.
		I made a tape explaining this so I didn't have to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you didn't have to explain it all the time to people like me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		You know, I didn't get it back on the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, as long as we're in the categories of fusion, I want to ask one more question in that category, and it has to do with cold fusion.
		A number of people, even some very recent claims of the creation of cold fusion.
		Is it going to be possible, Bob, do you think, eventually to have a cold fusion process?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not.
		No, absolutely not.
		I'll make a bet on it right now.
		Absolutely not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what was it that these What was it that these scientists came up with that caused the bubbling and the heating and the, you know, the apparent creation of energy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any idea what it was?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I'm sticking with Los Alamos' explanation.
		It was essentially an electrochemical reaction that took place.
		Did fusion occur?
		No.
		There were far, far too many experiments done that, supposedly duplicate experiments, and I mean, these yielded no results at all.
		And the physics behind it don't make any sense either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, again going back to the disks, the fuel they use apparently is element something or another that goes beyond our table of elements.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that correct?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's element 115.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		There's an absolute definite, but that's what it appears to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Element 115.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		114.
		Chances are it's 115.
		And interestingly enough, it's a stable element, and those familiar with the way the periodic table works, elements go as they get higher and higher on the periodic chart, they become less and less stable and begin to decay.
		But this is a stable element.
		And again, this isn't something that's a total surprise.
		I mean, we've known all the way since the 50s and 60s, well, probably the 60s, that somewhere there's a magic combination of protons and neutrons that, again, somewhere in the higher elements will make a stable element.
		And apparently that does happen up at that level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you had your hands on any 115, Bob?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I have had my hands very close to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any 115 that exists outside of S4 now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you don't have to answer all of these, Bob.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not very good at an answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me, since I've got the two of you on the line, what would you say is your greatest area of agreement, the two of you?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		We live in Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that makes the next one then very easy.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Are you going to say that I am not?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		I'm just kidding around.
		John has a lot.
		I essentially have cut off whatever I haven't had contact with.
		So there can be talks of reptilian-like aliens or abductions and things like that.
		And I know there's lots of evidence that people were abducted.
		And I did see the thing on Fox the other day with a guy that got burns on him.
		And that's all interesting.
		But it's something strange that happens to you once you've been actually involved with something.
		You kind of put blinders on to the rest of the world.
		And now you only want to deal with something that you physically had hands-on experience with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, very much like what I said earlier.
		You've had hands on one of these discs.
		Have you ever seen...
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, if I actually get abducted, then I'll start believing that.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		And that's, you know, but I'm sure, but that's just the way I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but Bob, why having had your hands on a disc, are you not easily able to make the leap to the greys or the blacks or any of the other 80 supposed varieties of aliens in terms of accepting their existence?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure there are other civilizations all over the place.
		I just, I don't know.
		I haven't seen evidence of other civilizations, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you absolutely convinced that those discs and that technology did not come from or originate here on Earth?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Oh, beyond a shadow of a doubt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, unless they were robots, somebody brought them here then.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Oh, certainly.
		You know, some form of other creature had to have brought them here.
		There's no doubt about that.
		I just don't know if there are a hundred different civilizations visiting Earth.
		I don't know if a hundred other civilizations could find it.
		It's possible.
		I just shy away from that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, this sounds then like an area of disagreement between the two of you.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I really can't take A stance on it because I don't know.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		This is just a personal feeling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sort of are cautious, though, in commenting in that area.
		Sure.
		What would you two say is the biggest disagreement you have regarding all of this?
		Would that be it, or is there some other area?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		You'd have to ask John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about it, John?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think we have.
unidentified		I can't think of a real disagreement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So no real disagreements.
		All right, gentlemen, I'm going to do my best to hold on to you for a while here, if I can, Bob, and maybe even take a few calls.
		You up for that kind of thing?
		Are you up or are you ready to go to sleep?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Sleep is kind of on my priority list here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you give me a few more minutes?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, very good.
		Then both of you stand by.
		What a distinct pleasure.
		Bob Lazar and John Lear, both here, both together again.
		I guess they are frequently.
		And we'll get them back on the air together here in a moment.
		Southwest, I'm Art Bell.
		And Bob Lazar and John Lear are both moving out for a moment.
		Back to them we go.
		Gentlemen, you're on the air once again.
		Andrew Art, good morning.
		Bob, while we've still got you, you know, after you've gone through all this, this disaster that's been, how long has this been going on now, Bob?
		For a couple years now?
		Is there anything you want to say to everybody about having gone through all this?
		I mean, would you do it again?
		Would you go public again?
		Or would you say, boy, I'd no more open my mouth than the man in the moon?
		I don't know.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		It's a tough call.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		It's something that has to be decided on, you know, as things are happening.
		But given the same set of circumstances, I probably would have done the same thing, perhaps a little different.
		Given the same set of circumstances, I probably would have done the same thing, perhaps a little different.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of magazines are writing a lot of things about both of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you find they generally get it right or is it exaggerated baloney that most of them print?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, most of the people don't have access to the information.
		And I'm part of the problem.
		I don't do interviews.
		I don't do talk shows.
		I don't do anything.
		I don't go out and give lectures.
		I just don't do anything.
		And I'm constantly being hounded for information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So without the information, they tend to make some of it up, probably.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, some of the information has come out, especially in George Knapp's special, so I essentially spoiled my guts, said everything that happened to me, and kind of wanted to really leave it at that.
		The technical information, I made a tape about for the people that really wanted to know the nitty-gritty and left it at that, and that was it.
		And, you know, people would look through those two things.
		You know, everything essentially that I experienced and happened was contained within those two things.
		But, you know, inevitably things get screwed up and a lot of hearsay and there's an awful, 99.9% of the UFO community are crazy.
		These people are just absolutely out of their minds.
		And I really want to have nothing to do with them.
		And they're tied in with, I mean, all kinds of strange factions of groups.
		And it's really impossible to weed out any real information coming from most of these sources, these magazines, and even the larger groups.
		So I really have to stay away from it.
		And that gets people upset and thinks I'm trying to hide things from them.
		And I'm called government agents and stuff like that.
unidentified		And it's, you know, the list is never ending.
unidentified		99 and 9 tenths percent?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With your continued association then with John Lear, I take it you view him in one of the top very small percentage points of those who may be onto something?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
		I don't really.
		John Lear does his own thing, and I, you know, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, comments?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, we have some of my ideas are proud because I'm not a scientist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Father's a scientist.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		He dealt with things that he saw with, worked with, were proven to him.
unidentified		But to me, it's, you know, all I'm dealing with is speculation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, exactly.
		But to the casual observer, somebody like me, anything you've told me, John, about how they travel, means of propulsion, the kind of creatures they are, all the rest of this sort of thing, is underwritten or strengthened by what Bob Lazar says.
		I mean, don't you realize that, Bob?
		You're saying, I saw the discs.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they exist.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, the information, like I said, the only information I know are the technical aspects of the craft.
		And that information, John has, we've talked about that, and he understands it.
		And the information that he relays like that is absolutely correct.
		And I'll verify that.
		I actually got to work with that stuff.
		I don't know, you know, aliens didn't take me to their planet.
		I don't have proof where they came from.
		I don't know how any deal was cut.
		I don't know about abductions.
		I don't know about all that other stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen to me, we've got to stop here.
		I've got a newscast I've got to do.
		Please stay around just a little while longer, will you, Bob?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, stay right there.
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unidentified		Music Music Music Good morning again from Las Vegas and the Great American Southwest to the nation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is coast to coast a.m. that I'm Arcel.
		My guest this morning, John Lear.
		Now, along with him, Bob Lazar, the man who actually put his hands on an alien spacecraft and worked on the propulsion system.
		And we'll be back to it in just a moment.
		And Bob Lazar, you're both back on the air again.
		Well, this is all flooring me a bit, but it's fun.
unidentified		I'd like to say it's really a privilege to be on with Bob.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		You know, he is my friend, but he just never goes on any of these interviews.
		And it's really nice, too, if you had him on for once.
		He doesn't back me up on everything, but he does back me up on the stuff that he saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's try a question on you here.
		That's a very nice compliment for Bob.
		If Bob Lazar did get the equipment or the technology, never did build the time machine, would you sit in it while he pulled the switch?
unidentified		Huh.
unidentified		You would?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think he would, Bob.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's strange.
		I get a lot of letters from people, and there have been quite a few people that really think that I have a time machine.
		And I would really like to know how this got started.
		I mean, there were people with honest requests wanting to know how much that I would charge them.
		They need to go back to the 50s to rescue their brother from being killed or something like that.
unidentified		And, you know, I really have to make it clear.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I really don't have a time machine, and I don't possess the technology to make one either.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Please don't write to me asking that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is this, though, Bob.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you had built a time machine using some of that technology, would you be likely to admit it?
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That may give you some clue as to why people think that you may have it, even though you say you don't.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I'd like to do all taken, I guess.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Listen, before we do, can I just tell the Colt how to get a hold of this tape that Bob put out, because he won't advertise himself.
		But not really it's important, but if you do want to know about this technology and what Bob saw up at the test site, he does have a videotape available, and you can write to TriDot Corporation, that's T-R-I-D-O-T, Tri-Dot Corporation, 1324 Southeastern, and that's in Las Vegas, and it's Las Vegas 89104.
		And the price is $29.95 plus $3 shipping and handling.
		And if you want to know about this stuff, you just can't make a better investment.
		I know Bob doesn't advertise this very much, but I think it's really important.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's got to be another one, too, isn't there, Bob?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's kind of in the works.
		But that tape was a lot of people that viewed the first tape.
		It's a technical tape, but it's made for the layman to understand all the technology and how it works.
		And there's just been a request for a tape that goes heavy into the physics.
		A lot of technical people, scientists and that sort of thing, want all the specifics exactly, formulas and things along those lines.
		And that's what the second tape will probably cover.
		I'm not really sure about that yet.
		Nothing's been done with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what kind of technology would that give away?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, really worth just talking about how specifically the amplifiers work, things along those lines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With the knowledge, Bob, of roughly how they work, would it be possible for somebody on this Earth to eventually, do you feel, build or duplicate that technology and build something that would do what that PowerPoint does?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's just a matter of having access to certain materials.
		With some super heavy elements such as Element 115, with the proper materials, we could absolutely build it.
		The technology is not millions of years ahead of us.
		You're looking at technology that's maybe hundreds and hundreds of years ahead of us.
		It's not that phenomenal.
		It really isn't.
unidentified		A lot of people, you know, talk about it.
unidentified		You're looking at technology that's maybe hundreds and hundreds of years ahead of us.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		It's not that phenomenal.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		It really isn't.
unidentified		A lot of people talk about it being even billions of years.
unidentified		It really isn't.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		This technology is not that far-fetched once you get your hands around it.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		So it is quite feasible that we could eventually duplicate these systems, but not with materials that we have readily available right now.
unidentified		There'd have to be another source for these materials.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I asked this question here, which is, I've been an astrologer who said that the sun over the last two years far has lost about a return to 1% of its output.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, while I guess the output of the sun, which is a nuclear dynamic, does vacillate a little bit.
unidentified		This seems about just in so much worse than any comments on it.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't be really concerned.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if I have a tremendous hydrogen supply, which is the fusion reduction thing to get at the helium, and you don't really have to be concerned about anything running out for probably about 3 billion years, and then at that point, there'll be some pretty dramatic changes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No real problems could develop any causes enough of that rock to to affect us ecologically.
unidentified		As a matter of fact, when the sun begins to run out of fuel, it's going to swell.
unidentified		So it's not going to burn out like a candle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, events just come across here in our talk show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line tree on the coast to coast end with Mark Bell down here and Bobby Law.
unidentified		And again, again, good, good, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very common thing.
		Luckily, most of us, all right.
		All right.
		What I wanted to ask about the software that the ADM technology was they must operate off from some type of communication frequency.
		Is there any way possible to put together some sort of a transmitter so that one could start putting out a signal to them?
		No, and it's a good question.
unidentified		Bob, any use lights, whatever communications capabilities they have.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, what bothers me with the communication, and of course there must be some in the craft, is that because of the gravitational field, everything is going to be distorted around the craft, whether it's radio waves, whether it's light waves.
		And in fact, someone had asked earlier how crafts, I think they have how craft seemingly disappears or underneath it.
		Well, this again is characteristic of every other amplifier that it actually pulls light around it.
		For instance, I even mentioned in my tape that there are stars that are behind the sun where the sun actually blocks our view and we can see those stars.
		The reason why is the sun has a tremendous amount of gravity.
unidentified		It pulls the light from the star up and around the sun so we can see it.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		In these disks, when they're operating, if they're in something called an omicron configuration, if you're standing underneath the disk, you can't see it.
		You can only see the sky above it by the way light is bent around the craft.
		Now the way I understand this to envelop the craft, I can't see how radio waves can get into the craft.
		And that's something that's puzzled me for a while.
unidentified		So there must be some other form of communication.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would the gravity amplifiers themselves possibly provide the key to the kind of communication they'd used?
		In other words, something propelled or moved through time or space or both with the same technology.
		In other words, HV tech on lasers, for example, can be modulated and you can use light to pass voice.
		And so I wonder if their technology might have in it a key to their communications.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		It's quite possible.
		It's quite possible there is something called, along the lines of a gravity phone, something that John and I have spoke about in depth, that essentially is a gravity amplifier with a modulated output and it is received.
		Again, you know, this is just an educated guess, but it's certainly possible.
		But as far as it being a frequency you can tune in or transmit, I haven't seen anything along those lines that the crafts would receive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then the communications might be a bit as advanced or different would be a better way to put it than anything more familiar with traditional RF frequencies.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Probably, because they're traveling such tremendous distances, the crafts would get their mirrors before their transmission did.
		So they can't use regular radio transmission.
		They have to use something that actually bends movements.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But one would think that any insight into that at all might give one the ability eventually then to communicate, if not travel to these creatures, that communicate with the point of origin.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
unidentified		Well, I'll come line to you on the close to coast there with the group.
unidentified		Hello, are you there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's turn the red law off, number one.
unidentified		Okay, okay.
unidentified		I've been trying to get through you for a long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you coming from?
unidentified		Well, I may have come last way yet.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Go ahead.
		The first question is, let's go directly to John Mayer.
		Do they want to think philosophy about their own creator of creation?
		Number two, the superclub that was to be built in Texas.
		Is that going to give any clue to their technological advantage?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know there was a question for each one of us.
unidentified		You know, they really do philosophy, and I'd like to hear Bob Bank on the super collider.
		I've heard many people say, oh, they're building an active 115 and that's why I never asked Bob about it.
		I tell them 115.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bob, what about what can you tell us about the super collider?
unidentified		Well, to be honest with you, I don't know a whole lot about the super collider.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I do know the basic plan and what they're attempting to do.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Is it going to be a rate 115?
unidentified		No.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		You know, again, this is going to assemble an incredibly heavy element like that.
		Other elements that were synthesized up to 109, and that hasn't been really documented, but these have been put in accelerators for an incredibly long time at a tremendous cost of electrical power.
		And we essentially have a yield of one or two atoms of a substance.
		If you're talking about something much higher than that, like Element 115, it's just inconceivable.
		You'd have to have this tremendous thing running at full power for decades to wind up with several atoms of a substance if it can be done.
		I've always contended that Element 115 has got to, it must have been naturally created.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Come on, I'm right on top of another boat, and G Reads there's just not enough time to say goodbye, so I get to help the small door.
unidentified		And Bob, both of you, as well as the tricks of the trade.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're listening to CBS, UBR Network, right back.
unidentified		Area 51.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Bob Lazar and John Mayer, I guess.
unidentified		We're going back now to the phone.
		And you're both back on the air again.
		Yeah, I don't know how you do it.
		Again, it's an honor for you to come up.
		I'm going to go around with Bob.
		I know that Bob could be an interview with him.
		I don't know how you do it.
		I know it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed an honor to have you here, Bob.
unidentified		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I might, let's expose you both to some moral people.
unidentified		Wild Card Line 3, you're on here at Coast to Coast AM.
		Good morning.
		Oh, yes.
		Yeah, I'm really on it.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		This is my second time.
unidentified		I called earlier.
		I'm being your first-time caller line.
		You couldn't remember my third question, which had to do with Atlanta.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thank you.
		Yes, thank you.
		And thank you for the call.
unidentified		Bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, that's right.
unidentified		There's a lot of questions.
		Yes, there are problems.
		You know, things have talked to a lot of mythology.
		The one thing that I can't find the information on is what the most of the drive it comes from.
		If it were in something, I mean, usually there's a basis in fact of most of all that something happened.
		But I've always wondered where the drive it came from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, at least you addressed it.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air, Coast to Coast AM with Luke here.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I'm going to be from the area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you coming from?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, here's I. I was in the area.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I wanted to know before I was picking a pop-up.
		So you're about ready to go out.
		But I'm on my way.
		I can get the tapes done.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I copy you, sir.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure that'll please them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, why don't you go ahead and give out the address for the TriDot Corporation, D-L-I-D-O-T Corporation.
unidentified		And it's 1324.
		That's 1324 South Eastern.
		Yeah.
		And it's Las Vegas, Savannah and it's Las Vegas, Savannah 89104 89104, and it's 2995 plus $26.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a question for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has anybody heard these stories or any of the publications or any official publications to do any sort of truth coming from injections that you do anything to try and verify what you said?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, when I mentioned it to the television network up here, I detected that I never took anything to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		and I'll say, "You come after me or force me to do anything." Our local news anchor on Shun Lake went along with you and looked at and investigated what was his personal determination after he finished looking into this and did his show.
unidentified		Do you know?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		George and Happy New Year?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		I'm going to go to a question.
		He tells that the term Believer, he, uh, the name of the story with himself on a news show by one of the girls at the George Woods.
		we think about things that I believe it.
		And he was called the past.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Did he have had access to some information?
		But now George wasn't that ardent of a believer in the beginning, as I wasn't even before I got involved with the project.
		But George did go to great lengths traveling with me to Los Alamos and going all over the place tree come down leaves and things ended up quickly that someone put in that much effort.
		And he essentially put everything together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, how about John Coop?
		It was really good.
		It was really something.
		All right, just one more very quick interruption, gentlemen.
		I'll be right back to you.
		Right there.
		My guests are John there.
		And Bob is on.
		and you've been with us and you well understand the nature of the discussion.
		If not, then stay tuned.
unidentified		Stay tuned.
		I'm on the TVP and the LN Radio Network.
		Let's get there.
		Let's get there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's go back in.
unidentified		Let's go back.
		Thank you.
		Um, I, uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there anything, Bob, that since you don't make public appearances and you don't go on talk shows, is there anything that you've been wanting to say to the public and you haven't had a chance to for a while?
unidentified		No, nothing that comes to mind for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's take a couple of more calls.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		While I'm called on June, you want me to post coasting and I'd like to put my question to John Hillary.
unidentified		What any of this has to do with the English hoop fields that I make those designs?
unidentified		And which aliens changes or 50 corners of modifications of the degree?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, sir.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		The constant concerns obviously I think for crop circles, but I don't know what I've got in an ideal patience myself and I couldn't remember that I need to know myself and look at it, but I don't know anything about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm interested in directing a little Bob Central Businesses.
		These damn crop circles, they really are all over the world.
		They're in Australia.
		They're in too many places for two guys on a board and a train, you know.
unidentified		What could they be?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Certainly it can be, I mean, it's possible of, I'm sure there are other explanations.
		It could certainly be the footprint of one of the crafts.
		The craft can certainly be at altitude and compress a wheat field down like that.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		That's not a problem.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		As far as what else it could possibly be, some other prosaic explanation, I really don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And John, I think it was more of a question for you.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		You said what group was it that there should be alterations about the electronic because he's the one that read the document, and I just quote from what he said.
unidentified		All right.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was supposedly what people call the graves, the race from the reticulate.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Let's just keep moving here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, you're on the Air Coast Coast Day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm with Art Bell Johnman and Bob Lazar.
unidentified		Yes, questions for Bob Lazar.
		I was reading an article in the Los Angeles Times from November, and it was regarding an experiment going on approximately two miles inside Mount Andrieti in southern Russia with Vladimir Garvin regarding the neutrino.
		Are you familiar with that at all?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I'm familiar with a neutrino, but not the experiment, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Well, I suggest that you get that article.
		It was in the Los Angeles Times, and you're enlightening.
		I was curious if you were able to make any connection between the neutrino and the Gillian experiment being done by what's called SAGE, S-O-G-E.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		What specifically were the Russians doing?
unidentified		Well, it's a combination Soviet and U.S. experiment.
		I was hoping you could answer the question, but people are looking for subatomic matter.
		All right, like quarks and things without them yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that the purpose of one of the purposes of the accelerator and touches for the?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's certainly one of them.
		It's kind of a useful tool.
		There are a lot of things you can do with an accelerator on a subatomic level, but certainly one of them is the building blocks.
		What actually compromises protons and neutrons and looking at the different flavors, as they say, of quarks and other subatomic particles that only exist in areas of extreme energy and only come into an existence, only were in existence at the very creation of the universe.
		In exploring the subatomic world, you're kind of looking back in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bob, again, I'm not a physicist, but I heard also from this astronomer, who perhaps approached the update on earlier, that we are from time to time able to detect neutrinos from the sun here on Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that correct?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, our neutrino detectors aren't really worth very much.
		But, yeah, neutrinos are not only produced by the sun, but when we can detect them, neutrinos will go clear through the Earth.
		In fact, it's theorized that a light year of lead, I mean, it's like somewhere on the order of six trillion miles of lead, would not stop a neutrino.
		That's why I was interested to see what experiments the Russians were doing with neutrinos, since it'd be really hard to interact them with any matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The further comment was there was worry that they have not been detecting as many neutrinos as they once did, and this was some sort of source of worry.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, neutrinos really don't do anything.
unidentified		I would find it difficult for it to be a source of worry.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		What happens when you collide with a black hole?
		That's the only problem.
		As far as the antimatter explanation, I think they've almost ruled that out because there would be some residual byproducts of that reaction that could probably still be detected today.
		But there again, it's after the fact.
		It was a long time ago.
		I think it was in 1918, maybe 1934.
		It just flips my mind.
		But, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Line three in Las Vegas, you're on the air, coast to coast with the group here.
unidentified		Good morning, Las Vegas, Line 3.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess not, gentlemen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Las Vegas Line 1, you're on the air?
unidentified		Yeah, my question is related to Mr. Lear, and it has to do with the way the areas communicate.
		I had an experience many years ago where I received a message.
		It was a wordless knowing.
		You had word messages as a gift, and I've heard him speak of that.
		The only way I can describe it is a wordless knowing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A wordless knowing might be described as intuition.
unidentified		Well, I always thought it was a message from either the Creator or the Savior or a guardian angel.
		However, just listening to this program tonight, I think possibly it could be an alien because they communicate telepathically.
		And that's, I think, what this was.
		And by the way, it was a kind and helpful knowledge.
		I was following it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Morning too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the coast to coast.
unidentified		Good morning, Mr. Lear.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I'm a doctor, by the way.
unidentified		Well, well.
unidentified		Degrees to me mean doctors unless you have a temperature.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		My first question is for Mr. Lear.
unidentified		like these where I could get information on that hands-off law regarding intact UFOs, fragments, and the occupants.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm going to ask you to make this poll there, and take an attendant call, and it is 14 CFR 1211 of the current federal regulations.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		what it says is: anyone who sees it and approaches an Euro code and is able to touch the object may be liable for $5,000 fine and or a year in prison if he or she does not submit to detention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you been fined, Bob?
unidentified		No, I've never heard of this before.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Where are you reading this from, John?
unidentified		From the Code of Federal Regulations, 14 CFO 1211.
		It has to do with touching UFOs.
		And it says what if you have to touch the UFO?
		Yeah.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Anybody who sees or approaches a UFO or touches the object will be liable for a $5,000 fine and or a year in prison if he or she does not submit to detention.
unidentified		See, Bob, just find submitted to detention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to say just one more insult.
unidentified		I have a couple of questions for Mr. Lazar, real quickly.
		Do you think the recent advances in ceramic metal technology will be used in a buffard ramjet project?
		And the last question is, are biometals being developed for use in data storage and retrieval as well as epionage?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you handle that, Bob?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Well, as far as what biometals are being used for, I don't know.
unidentified		I know very little about them.
unidentified		What was the first question?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I couldn't possibly regurgitate that.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		You should answer that one first because I gave him the answer to that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you had that one.
		Hold on.
		All right, think about it.
		Listen, folks, Bob, I'm only going to request that I have you for about seven more minutes, if I can have you that long.
		And then we'll do the last hour with John.
		Bob, it's been such an honor.
		Both of you stand by for a second.
		And we'll do that, and Joseph.
		Thank God.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Then Bob Beggar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Bell with John Lear, Bob Duvall.
unidentified		I'm Art Bell with John Lear, Bob Duvall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning again from Las Vegas.
		Unusually, Bod Lazar and John Real with us together this morning.
		And let's quickly go back to them because we don't have a whole lot of time here.
unidentified		Gentlemen, you're back on the air again, and I'll give you a final moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just want to give one more call in here, and I'll give you a final moment to get a plug into where to get that tape in a moment.
		Good morning.
		You're on the air coast to coast damn with what I now call the butte.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Thank you, Lord.
		I'm calling from South Africa, Mexico, New Mexico, okay.
		First, it was going to be an honor and a pleasure.
		I had the opportunity to catch John and Bob in August when they were on the air.
		And listening to that show gave me shivers for a couple of reasons.
		In 1989, I had an experience in the mountains of New Mexico, which after viewing some objects in the sky, I started to write down some things in the following days.
		One of the things that I drew was something like a sphere with almost an ethereal ring around it or a field around it, and wrote down an aspect of folding and bending space.
		I wrote down seven other aspects.
		And then when I listened to your show in August, and Bible is there, I ordered your tape immediately after that.
		And it put shivers and chills through me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, this is the first time Bob's ever been on the air with me, that I'm aware of, anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But indeed, John was here and talked about Bob's.
unidentified		Well, there was another gentleman with John that at the imaging program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right, with NASA.
unidentified		And anyway, one of the aspects that I wanted to ask Bob LeVar about, if he had any opportunity to read or view any documents about the energy, one of the things that I...
		Okay.
		There's lots of teletopic communication with the aliens that seems to come through the DNA strands that go from one ring to the other.
		This is an image that came through.
		And I was just wondering if Bob had any information on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about it, Bob?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		No, nothing pertaining to any form of communication or imaging coming through the DNA strands.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Nothing along those lines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Very good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, we can squeeze one more in.
		Good morning.
		You're on the coast again with Art Bell, John Lear, and Bob Luzara.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Scottsdale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Scottsdale, Arizona.
		Go ahead.
		Hi.
		I believe if I understand the idea, it is that the souls on Earth are kind of imprisoned on Earth, and when the bodies die, we go somewhere, the aliens ship or somewhere, and then we come back to the bodies.
unidentified		Is that right, you guys?
		Roughly, yeah.
		Okay, well, my question is, is what do you guys think about the idea?
		If soul could use our planet, you know, on a spaceship or something, and they died, then what would happen to their soul?
		I mean, would they be free?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They would think of the prison that they apparently, you know, all right, well, I hold there.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Anybody want to tackle that?
unidentified		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good question?
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No comment?
		Dan, good question.
		All right.
		We're so out of time.
		One, I want to say it has been an honor, Bob Bazar, to have you here this morning.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I know you've got to get to bed.
		And so quickly, John, give out the address.
		Yes, I got corporation.
unidentified		That's T-R-I-D-O-T.
		Corporation 1324, 1324 South Eastern.
		And that's Life Digital 89104.
		And it's $29.95 plus $3 shipping and have worth it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, Bob Lazar, I've got to say to you what a pleasure it has been.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And will you join us again sometime?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sometimes.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know it doesn't happen frequently, but it has been honored this morning.
unidentified		So thank you, Bob.
bob lazar ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Thanks, Paul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that was really nice, John.
		I'm going to try and talk you, John, into staying with us for yet one more hour.
		You can do that good.
		I'm sure some people are pretty hot to talk to you after all this, so stay right where you are.
		In fact, everybody, stay where you are.
		There is yet one more hour to go.
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		Good morning again from the High Defense, Great American Southwest, Las Vegas, with radios of K, E, W, and radio.
		I'm RB.
		This has been all you've asked for and more.
unidentified		Two models are with us for the last two hours.
unidentified		Covering fascination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John Will is still with us now, and we'll get back to him in just a moment.
unidentified		We just take a moment out to remind you the watchers are here and they're available.
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		We're the only ones that have it.
		Also, the Art Ball Watch, I guarantee we're the only ones that have that.
		You want each one of them at $24.95 individually.
		And I am again fighting so many of you awarded in the 21st century.
unidentified		$24.95?
		Come here!
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning again on the high desert, Great American Southwest, Las Vegas, studios of KEWN Radio.
		Our flagship station, I'm on a bell.
		This has been all you've asked for and more.
unidentified		The Mob Bazaar has been with it for the last two hours.
unidentified		That's been fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John Will is still with us now, and we'll be back to him in just a moment.
		We just take Mona to argue.
		The watches are here.
unidentified		They're available.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are two of them.
unidentified		The Ross Perot 96 Watch and the gold-plated.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Guaranteed for a year.
unidentified		For its movement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Image of Ross Perot and 96 on the front that a lot good for.
		We're the only ones that have it.
		Also, the Art Bell Watch, I guarantee we're the only ones that have that.
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		And now back for another hour in what has been an incredible show with John Lear.
		And Johnny there?
		But boy, this has been something, hasn't it?
unidentified		Yeah, it sure has.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I really enjoyed that with Bob Irving.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And the only thing that really irritates me about Bob is he's so gracious.
unidentified		People can ask him the dumbest questions, and he never gets irritated.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		He just goes from that to ground zero and explicitly explains, you know, where they're wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's the mark of a good teacher.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I have a very short temper with people who ask dumb questions.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And Bob is always really gracious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he is.
unidentified		And it was rare to get an interview with him as he had suggested.
unidentified		He just doesn't suit him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back from home for John Leon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning on the first time caller line.
unidentified		You're on the air coast to coast AM without Bell.
		Hello.
		Hi.
		Hi.
		I'm just calling to comment on the Lazar tape.
		I hadn't heard about it in August when John Leo was on your program.
		And it's very informative.
		It really answers a lot of questions for me.
		And I just wanted to thank Bob for making it.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's now gone, but I'm sure he's hearing you.
unidentified		Okay, great.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and thank you for calling.
		Good morning.
		Wildcard Line 3, you're on the coast-to-coast end without known John Lear.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		I'd like to talk to your guests about Uranus and Neptune.
		When they crossed their path, the building wall came down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now it crosses its path February the 3rd, 1993, three different times.
		And an astrologer told me that a cataclysmic event may take place.
		I would invite you to check your astrological signs and check this apology.
		All right, thank you.
		And John, what about astrology?
		It's worthy of comment, I suppose.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I have a friend who is a very knowledgeable scientist who works for a major corporation who really believes that there is something to astrology.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And he has a book that he's trying to publish now, which says why he believes that.
unidentified		And who knows?
unidentified		Maybe there is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe there is something to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And one other question, John, keying on what he said, regarding the possibility of a cataclysmic event in our near or foreseeable future, any reason to believe that something's coming?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I've already proved myself a terrible prophet.
unidentified		I'll just get to retreat here.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm the first time, Colorado.
unidentified		You're on the coast to coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am about Don John with it.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		Where are you coming from?
		From Las Vegas, all right.
unidentified		Incredibly interesting show tonight, thank you, and as well as Mr. Lear and Mr. LaGuard.
		The question I had, and this might have, I hope somebody can answer it, there was a gentleman named Joseph Newman, who lived somewhere in Mississippi about, I think this was about 15 years ago, who invented some sort of a machine that,
		and I'm not quite as scientifically oriented, but to the best of my knowledge, you could put in something like one volt on going in, and the machine would produce like 1.5 or 2 volts or 10 volts or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you gone on Johnny Carr's initial thing?
unidentified		I was wondering if either Mr. Leela or Lazar, Lazar would know anything about that and why it was never, you know, seemed to be just quash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's Lazar and he's now gone.
		But John, do you have any comments on that?
		In other words, more output than input?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's just, I don't have any comments, but that's one of the things I like hanging around, Bob, is he gets to the bottom and he tells you immediately whether his BS or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The person you wanted is now gone, sir.
unidentified		Okay, but what I was given to understand is that, you know, this was like physically impossible, but yet, you know, it had been studied by a number of scientists and nobody could quite disprove it.
unidentified		Well, you know, it was going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And most legitimate scientists would look at it very warily.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You generally just don't get more out of an inner device than you do when you put in.
unidentified		Okay, well, thank you for the program.
unidentified		I enjoy it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the calling.
		Good morning.
		And line one, you're on your coast-to-coast ambassador.
		I'm John Mayer.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Mr. Mayor, I have two questions for you.
		You were talking about time travel a little while ago, and you mentioned it also on the last program that it actually had conducted successful experiments.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		The risk was not found that it was conducted.
unidentified		Yeah, on your last program, you indicated that there may not have been anybody coming here.
		Well, I'd find.
		My question, though, is, are you familiar with the Rainbow Project, the Montaux Project, and the Phoenix Project?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Just vaguely.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Is that the stuff that Albion was talking about?
unidentified		Exactly, yeah, so that's the experiment.
		I mean, I've been reading these books, talking about that, and the things are just so fantastic in there.
		He traveled 40 years into the future, from 1943 to 1983, and then back again to 43.
		And this is all a result of attempts to make a battleship strike, I guess it was, invisible, the USS Olympics.
		And as a result, not only did it become invisible, but it went through time and space.
		And so I was wondering what your opinion on that is, if you have one at all on credibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I'm not inclined to believe it.
		I try to stick to kind of nuts and bolts and things I can see and stuff that Bob told me.
		And I just don't.
		I know Al, and I haven't talked to him very much about that, but I just somehow I just don't believe it.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time calling on, you're on the Air Coast Coast Inn with John Marin Arpell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi.
		I have two questions.
		All right.
		You mentioned something about when you die, you slow close to heaven and the woman's...
		No, I. No, see, how did you hear all that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, tell them what you know about souls and containers and such.
unidentified		You know, it's a theory, but supposedly the aliens refer to containers.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Now, if by saying containers they mean that we contain the soul, then obviously they're doing experiments with the soul.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And when you die, supposedly, they collect the soul and they would put it in another container.
unidentified		And I don't know if they do true.
		Well, see, I mean, I did what he said.
		Is there anything I can read about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did, or anybody who's written anything good about this, John?
unidentified		Whitlam Streeber discusses that.
		Whitney who?
		In his books.
		What do you spell his last one?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Streeber.
unidentified		F-T-E-R.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Streeber.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, sir, he'll spell it for you.
unidentified		F-T-R-E-I-D-E-R.
		Whitlam Streeber.
		And he's written two or two books.
		Okay, the other question was, I know this is all speculation and stuff, so, but is there any speculation about there being like an alien culture that's non-violent with no state structure?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I don't I don't know anything about that.
unidentified		Have you heard anybody talk about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, nor have I. Is that it, sir?
unidentified		Yes, thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Um, hey, John, you just have to wonder where some of this stuff comes from.
unidentified		So um, all right, uh, let me see here.

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