But there's also a real genuine problem today in the marketplace of outrage and that a lot of people, a lot of their podcasts are just focused almost entirely on outrage and of like having arguments and screaming matches with people and putting people down and not having civil discourse, but trying to win, trying to dominate someone in an argument, trying to squash people. And I guess in a sense, some of that is really good because it exposes bad ideas, but it just encourages that kind of discourse where if someone's ideologically opposed to you, they are the enemy and you want to destroy them.