And Ted Rose says, oh, there'll be disease X and disease Y and disease Z. And if you don't sign on to the treaty, I can't protect you. That's called putting a gun to your head.

One of the most fundamental complaints that many groups have about the draft proposal is that it's not enough like what Alex is describing. There is no set guidelines that are to be followed by people signing on to the treaty. And thus, it's a weak framework.