Then, sometime in the mid-80s or so, he stops doing it. He doesn't stop preaching, but he stops trying to climb the conservative Christian ranks. And he just kind of... Almost settles and creates a modest TV empire. He creates the life that Alex wants. Or the sustainable Jim Baker? Absolutely. He's not screwing anybody over. He's not being a good guy in the sense of doing anything too positive. He's got a charity that by all accounts and purposes Is okay. You know, it's not a scam, but it's not like the best. But also might be a scam. Well, I mean, charity watch and people like that have evaluated it and said it's not a scam. I apologize for casting aspersions. No, no problem. And he just kind of creates this stable, modern TV empire. He's got multiple talk shows. He preaches. He's not trying to get too big. He's... He's got everything that he wants, and he stays just a little under the radar. You don't know about him, right? Like James Robeson? Not off the top of my head, no. Worldwide. People all over the world watch him. He's got his own channel, all of this shit. And he, again, since the 80s, for whatever reason, has lived this life that suggests he believes what he's talking about.