I mean, some of them were coming out implanted. In other words, there was access built in for a foreign actor. And then in other terms, other places with routers, with the ZTE stuff, there were just things that you would patch or that you would fix as a company who was trying to protect the consumer and create a product that people would use. And they weren't doing it. So they were creating persistent back doors either by actively placing code on there that would allow root access or they were leaving things open, especially in Africa, like the work that, you know, when I was working in Africa, the Chinese were just owning Africa.

They all know that their elections, our elections are really run out of Belgrade, Serbia on Chinese equipment called Huawei.