And a few months later, I believe it was in episode 200. In fact, I know it was in episode 200 of yours. Jordan makes an offhand comment about wouldn't it be great to have a Squatch murder mystery or something to that effect and introduce that to Carrie. And so that just sort of rattled around in my brain and I just couldn't get rid of it and, you know, brought the idea up to Barry. And, you know, we sort of just went from there in terms of the origin story. That's pretty much it. Came from you guys, actually.

Well, Barry, I'll just say there was a definite theme, at least in the beginning, of a Jewish alien. And both, obviously, Barry and I are Jewish, and not practicing particularly for myself, I'll say. But that was a sort of road that we decided to go down.

And I will say, before we get into it, is, you know, some parts of Berg were... Intentionally absurd to both directions. So it was, you know, he had leftist ideas, but at the same time, you know, he was forced to wear sort of the garb maybe of a right winger. So, but Barry, do you want to sort of take it away?

And her Telegram channel is literally a non-stop garbage fire, as are her online distribution methods. So, like, she has a rumble, and as a sort of a fun thing, we would go back and read some of the comments, both on her Facebook Lives, her rumbles on her website, and it is just... Neo-Nazi dumpster fire.

It was an experiment, and I will say... You both gave two different answers. No, I mean, it was an experiment. We had no idea what was going to happen, but I will say, like, as an example, for Carrie specifically, and Barry already touched on it, but in the third episode, she was not only self-correcting...

But one of the very important things we felt about the very end was that And this is still part of our plan is we're sending a letter to Carrie to her P.O. Box, which has on it essentially a scrap of paper from Daniel Jordan, which tells her that the major is dead and that he died of COVID and that he would not, Daniel Jordan, participate in COVID denialism. And so, you know, believe what you will, Carrie, but a great man is dead and he died of COVID-19.

We thought if we left it up to her, she would take the narrative and turn it. And she still might, frankly.

And I do believe that giving up... Communicating your beliefs to even the most extreme groups is sometimes not the best strategy, because you can pull people back from the brink.

I would say the number one thing is the profit motivation that I saw from Carrie. It was genuinely not that shocking, but it was not just her own desire for profit, but her platforming and engaging folks for their own. And it could even be as simple as something on one of her Rumble videos or something where someone's like, you know, buy this miracle medicine cure or some ridiculous thing and just her chiming in and yes, it's really good. And being exposed to her Telegram channels and just the absolute echo chamber that's in there that is all so obviously profit driven. That was something that I... I knew from listening to your show that grifters grift, but I didn't really fully absorb how someone with a lot of eyeballs on their social medias just becomes almost, they become so reliant on the eyeballs resulting in dollars. And it's everything, every agreement and disagreement ultimately with her, it stemmed from whether I think she thought she could profit off of it. That's my main takeaway.

I don't know if that's your takeaway, Mary, or not, but that would be my secondary takeaway, is her absolute lack of curiosity.

But I also think that, you know, our experiment, at least for me, proved to me that she doesn't believe. Almost anything, and sort of, it actually, it might, I thought she was a true believer, and as we went on and on and on, and got more and more absurd, it became more and more clear that it was just a profit-driven idea.