There's also, I just want to highlight, I used to work as a contractor in the media, the area of media, at JPL, Jet Propulsion Lab. And there's a very old-fashioned phone system that I became aware of that they keep operational. And obviously this is analog and basically... I guess in the event of an AI takeover.

I don't think I believe Carrie worked even as a contractor for the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Since 1958, JPL has been owned and operated by NASA. So at any point that she could have possibly been there, she would have been employed by NASA.