And with no idea of the repercussions or no caring about the repercussions, really, most of these people are lawyers. So what they're good at is crafting an argument as to what they're doing is good. They don't even know what they're doing.

Let's not forget that these guys are employees. They don't run the show.

So I'm very anxious to see whether Robert Kennedy Jr., Bobby Kennedy, the current secretary of the Housing and Human Services Department, testifies before the House.