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How you doing, Noah?
Hey, great to be here, man.
Glad to finally be on.
It's a trick.
We're talking about video games and Lydia has to sit here and listen to it.
It's all a ploy.
No, we were chatting about video games because unfortunately our son, Arlo, so we were scheduled to record and then 21 minutes before we're scheduled to record, we get a call that he's throwing up at school.
So I only bring it up because I think this episode is going to have to be a little shorter than we intended.
But we sat here and watched two fucking hours of Aaron Rodgers and Tucker Carlson and... Two hours and 12 minutes, Thomas.
Thank you.
Yeah, I don't want to... And 56 seconds, actually.
We need to count those.
Those count.
Yeah, you're right.
And we made poor Noah watch it as well.
So we weren't going to lose out on this, but it might be a little shorter.
We'll pack it in.
Okay.
This was interesting.
Let's talk.
I want to hear preliminary thoughts or like overall thoughts kind of going into it.
What did you think, Noah?
Do you have a lot of exposure to Aaron Rodgers' philosophy?
Well, so I'm aware of it tangentially, right?
I'm told about it and then I tell people what I'm told in a lot of ways.
It's actually it's been a really long time since I visited somebody who's this full-on in the grasp of conspiracy theories and it's really like it was a really disturbing and eye-opening moment to be reminded that yeah this is like these people could just rattle off shit about well you know it's very reasonable to assume that there's a demonic element to the UAP phenomenon.
What the fuck is happening?
Oh my God.
It's so good.
Like a dark energy of UAPs.
Yes, what?
Okay.
Yes!
Which is mentioned in the Bible, you know?
Like, okay.
Yeah, right, right.
I think he says that at one point.
I just wrote my notes here.
I'm just like, okay, this is a parody of itself now, isn't it?
We're watching SNL, actually.
I mean, is that any more ridiculous than the like, it's got the head of an eagle, the right pinky of a lion, the right, like that's what they thought was like the pinnacle of, I don't know, CGI or something.
For Bible times, it was like, describe an animal that has one part from every animal they know.
And they're like, just that concept means something fishy is going on.
It's crazy.
I am in exactly the same situation, Noah, in that these people are so weird and frustrating to me that I don't spend a lot of time listening directly to them.
So I'm like, oh yeah, he's got the COVID stuff.
He's got the whatever nonsense.
I was a little bit disturbed by how normal he came across.
That was what I was kind of thinking.
Really?
Yeah, not in the content of what he's saying.
But like, here's what I thought, and tell me if you guys disagree.
After watching this, it's not that everyone is like Aaron Rodgers.
But I do think that there's always an Aaron Rodgers in any group of, well, men, I guess.
Like, the way he is, I was surprised by how common it probably is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What do you think?
I'm saying I'm not exposed to this, but of course I watch documentaries about it all the time.
I make you watch documentaries about it now.
I've seen every conspiracy theory that he's talked about.
I've seen in a, in a God awful movies movie in the past, but yeah, but watching a person like you said, that seems otherwise just like a normal guy having a normal conversation and spouting this shit as though it's normal.
I think that's a whole different level of exposure to it.
Right.
And the scariest part of the entire conversation is where he's talking about like, oh yeah, you know, like when we're in the locker room, all the guys will gather around and listen to me as though I know what I'm talking about.
I'm spouting medical advice to these people.
As a legend in my career.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to.
No, you're fine.
I was just going to jump on that because I think there's a leadership component that we get from Aaron Rodgers because of being a quarterback, right?
Like, he's used to being a leader in that space.
He's very confident in the way he speaks.
He's able to rally people around various causes, honestly, at least on the football field.
And the other piece to it, too, is that he is very well trained with media.
He's had to have A billion interviews?
Like, he knows how to have those conversations.
He knows how to make various things compelling, and it is very unnerving that what he is being so compelling about is so batshit crazy, and people just end up trusting him, right?
He has all those components of a trustworthy leader, and that's scary.
I think that's what's scaring me here because I'm trying to think of where I actually get exposed to these people in real life because obviously I'm somewhat of an introvert and don't hang out with too many people, but I'm realizing every sports team I've ever been on has one or two of these guys minimum.
Every construction site I worked on in that couple of years, I did that when I was younger.
That's what I'm starting to realize.
Like, I don't want to do the cliche of like, oh, we're all in a bubble and whatever.
I'm worried that like Aaron Rodgers is more commonplace than I think we care to admit.
And it's the classic thing where it's like, there's always that one guy who's like, yeah, the JFK thing.
Yeah, the Warren report, they, the whatever.
And the group of 10, 12 people or whatever, you're like, oh yeah, okay, cool, interesting or whatever.
But like, he comes across as so normal in this interview.
I just was not, I really wasn't expecting that.
Like, I was expecting a little bit of a like, he's clearly gonna seem a little addled, he's gonna seem like he's gone off the deep end.
But what instead this was, and again, we watched it so you definitely don't have to.
Don't do it.
Save your brains.
But what he was was just really calm, reasonable sounding, and just spouting off conspiracy theories, but in a way that I worry represents far too many people in the country.
Well, and it's so convincing because of that, right?
Just because of the confidence with which it's presented.
They start this interview off talking about how like, well, you know, the science turned out to be on our side.
That's a real common talking point, right?
With these COVID folks now is that, oh yeah.
And I don't know what the hell they're basing it on because I haven't gone that deep.
Deep into it, but right.
But you know, nobody's come out now and said like, oh yeah, no, it turns out, you know, who is right was the horse paced suckers, you know?
But that's how they started off.
It's like, oh, you know, the science turned out to be on our side.
Nobody's coming to apologize to us.
I hope we can forgive them for spreading COVID to them.
They start off with that, and I'm just like, if I try to remove myself from where I've been for the last 10 years, you know, which is, you know, plugged into all of this crap, this conspiracy theory crap and all of this other stuff that's, that sort of boiled his mind or whatever, I would find that very convincing as well, because I wouldn't go check and see if he was right necessarily.
So yeah, this is terrifying on, like, several different levels because of that, because of its normalcy.
It's verisimilitude, seeing normalcy.
That's why I was trying to fashion that statement that I made.
It's not as though everyone's like him, but a version of him is everywhere.
I've met this guy a bunch of times.
I've met that guy more often than I've met Thomas Smith.
He's more common than we are.
Or that weird old guy who makes those religious movies that you've made me do a few times.
I don't remember if I was subbing in for you or not.
I can't remember.
You know that old guy whose movies- Donald James Parker.
I was worried there'd be too many of this for you to know which one I was talking about was the only thing.
I know which ones we've exposed you to is what it is.
The guy who just his movies are just I'm gonna sit here and spout off of insanity.
That guy doesn't seem normal like he's very weird.
But Aaron Rodgers seems normal.
So you mentioned that I actually did want to, um, again, we're not gonna have as much time as I wanted and that's okay, but this is a clip I did want to play.
Well, before you jump into the clip, one other thing that is totally not normal.
I just have to have a moment.
Sure.
Tucker's dining room.
Yeah, no, that's true.
What is happening?
I will take a picture and I'll share it with everybody because I don't want you to watch it.
This is a horrible video.
But he has a chandelier made out of antlers.
It's very... It's a statement.
You're telling me you didn't have a chandelier growing up?
Chantelier?
No.
Chantler-lier?
Chantlier?
Yeah, chantler-er.
Unfortunately, where I grew up, I've seen a lot of those.
Okay, I've never seen them before.
There was definitely a very, like, ah, we killed a lot of shit kind of a feel to the room.
The thing that struck me the most about it, though, is that the very first scene that we see before the real interview even starts, the very first thing I noticed was a bottle of A1 sauce.
I'm like, oh, yeah, I figured.
I figured, Tucker.
It is offensively wooden, can I say, his abode.
So many different kinds of wood.
So many.
But not a satisfying color of wood.
No.
You know, it's that one where you can... Tucker Carlson is just not quite a human, but in a skin suit.
There's something a little off.
And I feel like he's like, oh, I'm the kind of person who would have a wooden cabiny house decor, but it's just not right.
Like, it's just something's off about it.
It's just disturbing.
But my next project is I'm going to screen capture his space, his dining room or whatever, and I'm going to figure out all the little things on his bookcase.
I'm going to go on like a forensic investigation.
I don't want you to have to visit that many Nazi sites.
Oh, man.
Yeah, right.
But, okay, there's so many fake ducks all over the place.
Anyway, all right.
Do you have a real duck out there?
I don't know.
This guy's freaking crazy.
He has a huge American flag in his dining room.
I mean, I have no ducks alive or otherwise.
No ducks is also an option for your bookshelves.
I'm just saying.
What if you want to read a duck?
I don't know.
So yeah, but this clip that I pulled, I think if we're talking major bullet points, this COVID stuff obviously is one we're going to have to talk about.
And I think this is a good way to get more into it.
No, it's totally right.
Someone said to me the other day, maybe it was you, Do you know anyone who didn't get the vax who's upset he didn't get the vax?
Yeah.
Does anyone regret that decision?
All the dead people?
No.
Right, not one person ever.
But people who did get the vax really, which is why I love what you said, I think they do regret it.
And I think that when you're doing something wrong, you're very defensive about it.
All live to regret it.
Yeah, it's so funny.
That's just such a perfect distillation of their inability to grasp basic logic.
So I looked this up a little bit, and there are people who believe that it wasn't worth getting the vaccine.
I don't see polls regarding regret.
I know Vivek Ramaswamy specifically said he regretted getting the vaccine.
But apparently, according to this poll, more than half of Republicans who got a COVID vaccine say that it wasn't worth it.
And it's because, like, maybe they still got sick, and they had the idea that the COVID vaccine was supposed to prevent all illness rather than the goal of keeping you alive if you did get sick.
And 29% of independents felt that way, and only 5% of Democrats felt that way.
If they were vaccinated, they felt it wasn't worth it, you know, years down the line.
So I don't know what make-believe space in their brains that they decided this came from, but I couldn't verify it anywhere.
Well, they start off by saying, like, we're in an echo chamber and we're reporting from within it.
Yeah.
But they can't pull the people who died of COVID and thought at the last minute, well, shit, I should have got that vaccine that my niece kept telling me about or whatever.
It's so frustrating.
This is the perfect quintessential problem that I was almost going to say conservatives, but I actually don't think that's the right word.
And that's another theme that I really want to talk about is, what are these people?
Like, what are these people?
What do they have in common?
It's really been occupying my mind.
Like, I actually started an ongoing list of things Rogers said that Tucker definitely doesn't agree with.
If I had time, I could probably find the segment where he probably did a whole bullshit thing about it.
But because Rogers is a conspiracy theorist along with him, he's nodding along and it's fine.
And anyway, point is, The thing that's so easy for them to miss is the people whose lives were saved by this vaccine are going to have an awfully hard time knowing that their lives were saved by the fucking vaccine.
Right.
When you're dealing with something that's a statistical solution, which is like, yeah, if we all get this vaccine, it's going to reduce spread by X percent.
It's going to reduce hospital visits by X percent.
It's going to reduce death.
Yeah.
Those are all on the margins.
There's not going to be a person who's like, oh, I was going to die, but now I'm not going to.
Like, you don't ever know that.
There's just logically no way to make this comparison.
And what you will have because of how this all works is a bunch of people who got the shot and they're fine.
So of that hundreds, millions of people, however many people that is, of course, you're going to know some people who are like, well, I got the shot and now I heard a bunch of propaganda about how it's bad.
So I regret it.
And you're not going to hear things the other way because who would that logical person even be?
Yeah.
Maybe you could find someone in a hospital bed who was on a ventilator who survived and was like, fuck, wish I had gotten that shot.
Maybe, but that's, it's a lot harder to meet that person statistically than it is to meet the millions of assholes who got the thing and are pretty much fine.
Go ahead.
Especially if you're Tucker Carlson or Aaron Rodgers, who's known for being like this, this kind of anti-vaccine asshole.
I mean, hey, look, I'll tell you what, the Jets play the Jaguars.
I got tickets to that game, right?
I'm going to be like eight rows behind Aaron Rodgers.
I will yell at him the whole time that I'm actually pretty good with the vaccine that I got.
Can you make a big sign?
I don't regret getting the vaccine.
Oh, I can make a big sign, dude.
Okay.
This is happening.
It's so fucking frustrating.
You referenced it before.
I also wanted to use this as a bit of a launching off point for this idea that they just get to declare victory.
I don't know what their victory is, but their entire interview is from the perspective of, boy, yeah, we were the only ones sounding the alarm about this vaccine and how right we turned out to be.
We turned out to be so right.
Yeah, they pretend at one point that scientists said that the vaccine was going to be 100% effective and that it had no side effects, right?
Not only did no scientist ever say that about the fucking vaccine, no scientist ever said that about anything.
Ever.
Right?
No scientist has ever said anything is 100% effective at anything with no side effects.
I know you know this too, but for anyone who hasn't spent some time in this, and I've spent, we've done a few things, and anytime I look into any anti-vax claims about COVID, this is ubiquitous.
They all strongly believe in their hearts that somebody, usually Fauci, it's usually Fauci, they're like, Fauci said, it's 100%, it will prevent 100%, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And they all believe that as though it's a religion.
It's like, it might as well be their like crucifixion moment of whatever.
Well, we all know that Jesus died on the 100% safe and effective cross.
And that's what they start with.
And the best thing they can point to is early trial, whatever reports or press releases where they're like, hey, in this trial group, this vaccine was 100% effective in this tiny group of people we tested against the current strain that existed only at that very specific point in time and place.
There are, like, I found a few that was like, and it reports that it was 91%, and none of them say 100% on everything, but like, there was one that was like, oh, in this trial group, it was 91% effective against spread, and like 100% effective against- And in preventing hospitalization.
Yeah, it'll be like preventing severe disease, and you'll get some trial groups at certain times where, yeah, it was 100% effective for that trial group at that very specific time, but no one in the world ever said, Ever.
And if they did, they were just an asshole and wrong.
And no, that shouldn't count against all of science.
No one ever said, Hey, we've invented the one vaccine.
That's the permanent solution for all of this that we all take.
And we're all happy.
And it's a hundred, it's gone.
It's all gone.
Nobody fucking said that.
And so much of their mythology relies on that.
Just being a thing.
Somebody said that for some reason you get to hold them to forever.
But they also don't want the one vaccine that takes care of everything.
Yeah, they wouldn't take it anyway.
Right, because at the beginning of it, you know, Tucker starts off by going off about the general coronavirus vaccine.
And he says, you're just trying to put something in your body that's going to go after everything.
Like, no, it's specific to coronaviruses.
It's a universal vaccine, and I believe it just finished its mouse study, and it was really effective.
And so they're going to pursue human trials next, and I think that's why they're up in arms.
So even if there's potential for a single vaccine to help protect everybody from coronaviruses as a whole, they're not interested.
They don't want any of it.
Just step back from this moment for a second, because that's not exactly a cure for the common cold, but it's really fucking close to that, right?
It's the holy grail of medicine that we've talked about as long as I've been alive.
A cure for the common cold.
These guys would turn their noses up at the cure for the common cold and go, can you believe they want us to put it in our bodies?
Oh my god, this is just so fascist.
It's absolutely fascist.
I care so much about what I put in my body.
Look, I'm sure Aaron Rodgers does, but I can't relate to anything less than caring about what... Oh yeah, Mr. Taco Bell?
Yeah, what kind of Taco Bell I put in my body every day.
Who fucking gives a shit, man?
As long as you're still operating, it's fine.
I don't know.
I'll tell you what, man, one quick heart attack will change that attitude.
At least it did for me.
Maybe it doesn't for you.
Well, no, we're vegetarian.
We have preferences about what we eat, but it's not to the level of microscopically I'm inspecting the chemical whatever and the pills and the what.
We all in life operate by trust in science to some degree, to a huge degree actually, with so many things that we never think about.
We all trust that when we pop that ibuprofen or that Advil or that whatever, that it's tested, that it scientifically works and it's going to be...
And also we're trusting that like it's not tampered with and that's not always true.
Like the thing of I only put in my body the holiest, perfect, whatever.
It's like, yeah, it's just not going to be true.
Like it just isn't.
There's going to be someplace where something could be a risk and you're at so much risk of so much more, bazillions of times more risk from everyday things than you are from this vaccine probably.
And this idea, I want to talk about this idea that I don't think we ever got to cover it, but I'm not sure if this is the vaccine they're talking about, but there was a study that was run that if there was a general coronavirus vaccine, just like any coronavirus, it's exactly the thing that will never work with these people because
Due to how exponential growth works, as I know we all understand here, if you had a vaccine that was 10% effective and you gave it to 10% of people in the very first days of an outbreak, it would save gajillions of lives.
Just the way the math works, it's like you only have to cut into it a little bit to slow that exponential growth and make it much less than it would be.
That's the curve.
Yeah, it's exactly the kind of thing these people will never in a billion years understand.
And it's so fucking frustrated because it really is a miracle of science.
Like, even if we can get a general vaccine for any coronavirus that's at all effective, if it was like 30% effective, that'd be a miracle.
If we all took it, it would be a fucking miracle.
Yeah.
So I want to go back to this idea that they're declaring victory.
And like you've pointed out, Noah, what that's based on, you fucking got me.
But it is so funny to me that they can just, they talk as though like we're in a sci-fi where we haven't gotten the exposition yet and we're trying to puzzle out what happened before the camera was turned on, you know?
Right.
It's just a good thing that we were right about this and, you know, everyone else is.
You expect the newspaper to flash up 10 billion dead in a vaccine accident.
No, there's nothing.
What are you pointing to?
I have any number of vaccines.
I don't remember how many.
I'm great.
Doing fine.
All of the ones that they'll let me get.
Yeah.
Well, I think we're actually we could get more.
We should get on.
Tom is the champion.
Tom is the champion.
Noah, do you know this?
Tom's gotten like 20 fucking vaccine shots.
He just goes and gets it.
He's gotten like all the different brands.
Well, and he gets more than 30.
Shit, it's so ridiculous.
He's the champion.
Collecting extras.
Yeah.
Yeah, right.
Because if it's 10% effective, all he has to do, Thomas, is take it 10 times.
There you go.
That's just that.
It'll be 100%.
But if I look at the other side of the ledger, 1,186,000 people died in America, roughly.
1.2-ish million people died.
And that gets to be looked at as like, well, that was fucking nothing.
You made me get a little pokey poke for a measly 1.2 million deaths?
Come on!
I don't know how they square their position now compared to, like, the horror shows that we saw in New York, for example, right?
I don't understand how those things could happen.
They think that was all overdone.
At one point, they mock the idea that the news had a tracker for how many people were dying and getting sick.
Yeah.
As though that wasn't what we all fucking cared about.
Yeah.
Right.
Well, and consider the standards for evidence that they present, right?
There's one point, and it's a small point.
I know we've got a lot to talk about, so I don't want to belabor this, but like, there's one point where they're talking about, like, remember when they would come on live TV and talk about how they hoped we would die?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And we're like, I don't remember that.
And they show this clip of Jimmy Kimmel and he makes this joke.
Saying like, oh yeah, they're saying they might have to make some difficult decisions about who gets a hospital bed.
And I say, just give the, you know, the ones to the people who are vaccinated and the asshole who took horse space, well, he can wait outside.
First of all, go Kimmel, right?
That's a good bit.
Yeah, 100% stand by that.
I would, if I were him.
Absolutely.
And not just as a joke, but as a policy.
Like, that's actually a fair policy and everything.
People who did everything that they could to avoid that deserve the hospital bed more than people who didn't.
But it's also not people on live television wishing you were dead, right?
That's not Jimmy Kimmel saying, I wish people who wouldn't get the vaccine were dead.
And they both act like they just saw a clip of the thing that they just said they were going to show us, right?
So you ask, how do they square this or that evidence?
There's no standard of evidence, right?
Yeah.
It might as well be they saw the little trolley meme and then they're like, there were people publicly calling for the death of that little guy on the one, the one guy.
No, it was just saying like, if you had to choose.
Yeah.
They were calling for his head.
Give him my, give me his head on a platter.
No, it's like they just were saying if you had to choose, that makes sense.
Like fucking.
Also, they're just words coming out of Jimmy Kimmel.
I thought words weren't scary.
Not only that, if you guys are right, well then aren't you fine?
Like, why would you care?
You won't be in the hospital.
We'll be the ones in the hospital.
The hospital's just treating people with vaccine injury anyway.
That's all they do now.
Because there's just so many, it's overwhelming.
Why does this matter to you?
Did you love Noah when Aaron Rodgers quoted Newsroom as like his favorite show?
Oh my god, I expected Aaron Sorkin to just rush in and sidetackle him over that, right?
There are not many things ever that will get me on the side of Aaron Sorkin in something.
I fucking hate Aaron Sorkin.
I'm so sorry.
If you like it, that's great for you.
I'm not here to tell you you're wrong.
It's just that you're entirely wrong and he's horrible and it's the worst writing ever.
But to be on that side... I don't think what you don't understand, Thomas, is that they say it very quickly.
And if you say things very quickly, it is witty.
It's witty and intelligent.
The idea that newsroom, that monologue in newsroom is going to be this, like Aaron Rodgers cites the monologue in the beginning of newsroom that I've only seen against my will via subtitles when it pops up on like random social media video.
That's the only way I've ever seen it.
It's absolutely intolerable.
But to For him, I will defend it against Aaron Rodgers.
That's not your fucking anthem, dude.
That's not at all saying what you want it to be saying at all.
So they go in with the JFK conspiracy, and it's interesting because I would have had the impression, and I think this is why watching this was valuable in some way.
I'm trying to maybe just sunk cost fallacy, but That COVID would have caused a lot of people to become conspiracy theorists.
But when you look at these people, they pretty much always already were, you know?
And Aaron Rodgers, he hasn't been like an insane tinfoil hat whatever, but he talks about like, yeah, in high school, I did a report on JFK, and I thought that it was a little fishy, the whatever.
And you're like, yeah, okay, no, you're just a conspiracy guy.
That's what these guys are.
And I wrote down at one point, they, they, they, they, they.
Because literally every sentence out of their mouths is they.
Yeah.
They want this.
They want that.
They want this.
And who's they?
Yep.
And it's the most basic conspiracy theory thing there is.
Snowden wants to come back and they won't let him.
Yeah.
Right.
Right.
Okay.
I wish we could get AI to draw us, like the Venn diagram of who, logically speaking, the they would have to be for each of these different things.
Because at some point it's like, well, it's all the deep state.
And then it's like, well, no, and then it's the big pharma.
Yeah.
And it's like, by the time you're done with all the they's, one thing that allows these people to spout this nonsense and believe contradictory things is they can hide everything under a vague pronoun.
Talk about...
They.
It's always they.
Right, right.
Well, and they can be absolutely contradictory, right?
Because there's a point in here, he's talking about RFK and how much danger RFK Jr.
is in because he's speaking the truth against vaccines or whatever.
And as evidence, the bad guys have it in for him.
They're like, yeah, and they won't give him secret service protection.
As though that's happening.
And I'm like, but those are the guys you're saying want to kill him, right?
Yeah, exactly. - I think that's at an hour six, actually.
I think we might be able to-- - Oh, maybe we play a little bit of Avengers for fun, yeah. - So given that all of that happened, it's a little weird that the Biden administration won't give Bobby Kennedy Secret Service protection. - Yeah, and he's known Joe forever.
They were friendly for a long, long time.
It wasn't like he's some outsider.
He's been around the political game for a long time, and he's the only major candidate who's not gotten Secret Service protection.
They're also limiting and skewing, I believe, some of the polls to try and not just keep him out of a debate, but keep him out of Secret Service protection.
He's spending millions of his own dollars On private security, um, which he has to because he's a threat cause he's not, you know, bought and paid for.
Um, and you know, he's a foil to the two party system, but I don't know if you saw this, but Bobby recently came out and said, uh, in the summer months at some point he wants to do a 50 state poll with like 20,000, I don't know what the exact number is, votes in each of these states.
And whoever polls lower between him and Joe Biden has to drop out of the race.
Because in his own analytics, he's found out that if the three of them run, Trump is most likely to win.
If he goes against Trump, he wins.
If he goes against Biden, he wins.
If Biden goes against Trump, Trump wins.
All right.
RFK's analytics.
I have no idea what that's about.
There's actually an article in The New York Times because a new Siena poll came out just about the time that Aaron Rodgers is talking about this over on Tucker Carlson.
And I think what was interesting on this is that RFK, he polls from Biden voters from 2020.
But when you look at the 2024 likely voters, he's pulling more from Trump than Biden.
So he's actually grabbing Democrats that have already moved on, Democrats that aren't intending to vote for Biden.
So I have no idea where this idea of RFK is going to beat Trump here, because I don't see that in what is considered one of the top polls year over year, you know, the New York Times Siena poll.
If you want to kind of make this point, what he's likely doing is pointing to like approval polls, you know?
And so that's only gone down.
Yeah, no, I know.
But I was looking at that graph too.
And yeah, it's only gone down for RFK.
We live in a world where in the polarized two party thing, like both candidates now will always be underwater approval.
Right.
That didn't used to be true.
And now it will always be true forever, probably.
One thing people love to make a big deal about how a generic Democrat beats Biden is like, yeah, because that's not a real person.
And what happens?
Negative partisanship will engage against whoever the other person is.
And then that machine will reduce their popularity.
The point is, early on, maybe Biden might have been a bit worried about RFK being in the race.
But at this point, I think the math would show it might be better for Biden for RFK to be in the race.
Just because RFK so quickly unmasked himself as such a piece of shit that I think a lot of Democrats, a lot of would-be Biden voters are probably not going that direction.
Yeah, I think that's right.
When RFK Jr.
first came out, most people didn't know who the hell that was, right?
They just know the FK.
That's it.
And like you said, he was a generic Democrat for a little while.
But once you get to know anything about him, it's obvious that he's occupying this conspiracy theorist lane.
And of course he still has all these negatives that might turn off Republicans or whatever, but these people that are engaged with Donald Trump because of the conspiracy theories, which is an increasingly large part of his electorate, those are the people most likely to be pulled away by RFK who can say like, hey, you know, Trump had a chance to tell you the truth about the aliens and he didn't.
Yeah.
I got to make one other point, which is I love the, oh, he's a foil to the two-party system.
No, he's really not.
Because you know what's going to happen?
If he's in the race, someone from the two parties will win.
If he's not in the race, someone from the two parties will win.
He's not a foil.
He either enables one candidate or the other.
He's just a part of the two-party thing because we only have two realistic parties that have any chance of winning until we change our system.
He's not a foil to that.
He's just an annoyance that confuses things, but will not in any way threaten that two-party stronghold.
There's a ton of worship and, you know, Rogers does talk about RFK having asked him about VP.
Yeah.
Man.
I didn't know how real that was, but I mean, I assume it's real.
Shows how realistic he's taking the job, though, right?
Like, yeah, you throw a ball good.
Would you like to be a fucking bullet away from the presidency?
Hey man, counter Noah, apologies, would you rather have President Rogers or President Trump?
I'd rather have President Rogers than President RFK Jr.
So like, in terms of what makes a good candidate these days, like fucking who knows?
Let's have the combine be the election, I guess.
I mean, even if it was just to see Trump have to do the vertical, right?
Oh my god.
His feet, they have never left the ground.
That's actually true.
At the same time.
Oh yeah, right.
He can do one or the other.
Yeah, exactly.
Not always correctly.
Sometimes there's toilet paper on one of them, but yeah.
Okay, here's one thing we have to talk about.
I wish we were last week tonight so we could do one of those little montage-y things.
Tucker Carlson is really afraid of the dark.
Several times.
So Aaron Rodgers is talking about his drug stuff he does, and here's the other thing.
He came across as, relatively speaking, Par for the course with that, too.
Like, oh, the MDMA.
He's just like all those tech bros that do that.
You know, like, I thought he was going to be way more crazy than he is, to be honest with you.
He's doing the retreats.
He's doing the MDMA.
Yeah, but then he makes these claims that from these crazy detoxes, he's like, my allergies went away.
Yeah.
But he used the fact that he had an allergy, in quotes, to not get the COVID vaccine.
So did they actually go away or what's going on there, dude?
So what happens is he's talking about some of his retreats and that's on my list of things that Tucker Carlson definitely, you can see Tucker Carlson's sweat every time he talks about drugs.
It's like clearly Carlson is like not, he tries to be like, oh yeah when I was 15 I did whatever.
Yeah when I was 15 I did LSD.
Well yeah because Aaron Rodgers keeps going like, well you took a bunch of psychedelics.
It's like, it's on the psychedelic side man.
Come on, I told you.
My kids are watching.
You could tell even Rogers was worried because he talked about marijuana.
He was like, and there's another thing they're interested in.
The football players do this marijuana.
And like, he was hesitant about it because yeah, this fucking guy's a tool in a square and he's not into any of this stuff.
But it's just so funny how many things Rogers can say that are just diametrically opposed to Carlson's worldview, but it doesn't matter.
And that's something I'm still thinking about.
But anyway, he's talking about these retreats and these drugs and these whatever.
And then he says, yeah, and then I did a darkness retreat.
Which is like, I guess being in complete darkness for some number of days, what it sounds like.
Yes.
And Carlson is like visibly scared at this point.
Like he says no fewer than, like, I don't want to exaggerate, three to four times he says, well, yeah, but, but I mean, MDMA is one thing, but like.
The dark.
Like when you're in the dark, man, the demons.
What's really fucked up is because he keeps going like, yeah, because like there are elements of yourself that come out in the dark and I don't want to be around.
Is he a werewolf or something?
I don't know.
I guess that wouldn't fit.
Like what?
How does this even make sense?
Well, I don't want to be around Tucker Carlson in the dark either.
If I'm in the dark, then the thoughts happen and I have to run.
No thoughts.
I can't ever have thoughts because then I'll think about what I've done.
No, he's not like that.
He's actually fully self-assured in everything he does, but he genuinely seems scared of the dark in a way that's really interesting.
I think it's more than just a punchline.
He really believes in some of this weird spiritual stuff, I think.
And he's like, yeah, some of the stuff, you know, the kind of the darkness it has, and you're like, dude, you just would be in a room at some fucking camp where someone charged you a billion dollars to do a darkness retreat.
There's no demons, I don't think.
Well, I think the funniest thing about that whole bit is how, like, Aaron Rodgers is trying not to say yes, a total waste of money.
And I always say I felt stupid.
But it's obvious that he's there because he's like, yeah, I don't think four or five days, man, I've just, oh God, you're just sitting there, right?
You can't look at your phone.
It's just that's obviously such an awful idea.
Who the hell would want to do that?
Did you know that when it comes to cancer, the biggest problem that no one's talking about these days is sugar.
Oh yeah.
He does take a minute to tell oncologists how to do their job.
Yeah.
None of them will start with diet and reducing sugar.
And it's like, well, for one, I mean, maybe like some doctors probably would be like, maybe diet could, I know like meat definitely causes more cancers than not meat.
But do you remember when I was at the grocery store and the cashier lady decided to tell me, she was like, did you know 99% of illnesses could be fixed by diet?
This is everybody.
I swear to fucking God, so many people.
Well, we're in California.
I don't know.
We've got the weird overlap of food, woo, bullshit.
The COVID stuff really maybe divided people a bit on that so that I think some of those people ended up maybe being like, oh, maybe the, maybe I'll chill out about the vaccine stuff, but I don't, maybe not all of them.
I don't know.
It's weird.
This is something you hear constantly from the Wu merchants that, oh, you know, they never tell you about diet.
You go to the doctor and they don't talk to you about diet.
They just want to give you pills.
Well, that's because the pill thing is effective, right?
Harping on people about their diet, not as effective.
So I actually had to answer for this recently because, as I already mentioned, I recently had a heart attack and afterwards they said, hey, you need to be on this diet.
This is the diet that you need to be on.
Here's a piece of paper that tells you all about it.
It's called the DASH diet.
So you look it up online.
It's easy to find more information.
And my doctor has not really talked to me about diet since then.
And one of the things that you have to keep in mind here is that like, at least for the type of heart attack that I had at the age that I had it, the chief concern, the chief cause of death for people in my position is not another heart attack, it's suicide.
Oh, wow, really?
Yeah, it's because when you realize that, like, hey, here's a huge list of things I can never do.
Here's a huge list of things that I'm too old for now.
I'm too enfeebled to do these various things.
I am no longer young.
Look, all of these different thoughts that so often accompany something like that.
And harping on somebody about how they can never eat sugar again probably does more damage than it does help.
Now, I'm not a doctor, right?
I don't know that.
Maybe I'm a bad cardiologist and you should be talking to me about sugar more often or whatever.
But based on my understanding of the statistics here, like, it makes a lot of sense that the doctor doesn't just give you shit about all the things that you love in life and where you derive your pleasure from.
They tell you, hey, look, this is how you should eat, and then from there you have that information.
Yeah, that's very interesting.
I also think that it's, once again, it's just you're not going to be able to hear from the people you're talking about.
So like, the people he's imagining could somehow sound off about the specific claim he's making are people who, I don't know, were told to not eat sugar and then knew that they didn't develop a cancer because they didn't eat sugar.
That group, you can't talk to them.
That doesn't exist.
And then maybe the other way you can talk to people who don't have cancer and say that it's because they stopped eating sugar, but they can't know for sure.
Like, so there's no, it's just another claim that if the evidence were how he said that it's all known that sugars like causes all this cancers.
And I feel like I would have heard of that.
You know?
I mean, we've heard that sugar's bad for you.
Like we know refined sugar is bad.
Like nobody's lying about it.
Like every doctor agrees on that.
Oh my god, I did want to play.
So they go on and on for a while about, you know, all this stuff and then I just, I love this like two seconds for this line here that just made me laugh out loud.
Tucker Carlson really sums it up in a way that I just, I laughed out loud at this.
So it sounds like protein is the answer.
Yeah, protein.
He just went off for hours.
He has sugar cause, blah, blah, all this weird shit, aliens, spirits.
Yeah.
So protein, I guess?
What do you want to do?
Lion diet.
Get some protein.
Oh, you mean something that we've known for fucking ever?
Okay.
Yeah.
Protein's pretty good.
Yeah.
That's a good takeaway here.
At one point, Aaron Rodgers has to stop and he goes, Hey, look, you know, not all pharmaceuticals are bad.
And I'm like, it's weird that you have to clarify that, man.
Like, come on.
Yeah, and you know how you know the good ones is that they're made by a mom-and-pop hippie.
Or are they made by the same fucking companies?
Can we go to something that made me laugh?
Please.
Hour 54.
Thankfully me.
I don't watch porn.
You know, I've never been into any weird kinky stuff.
I think it'd be pretty unwise for a prominent person to get into online porn.
Cause I think a lot of those people probably are.
You'd have to be an idiot.
There's a camera on your phone and your iPad and your laptop.
This is so insane.
Yeah.
It's so good.
How red Tucker gets during this part of the conversation, too, is so funny to me.
Oh my god.
Well, I wish I had the timestamp.
There's a point in there where Tucker, after a big long conversation, just says the entire question is, So what's the sex thing about?
Yeah, yeah, it was probably before this, I think, just before this.
Yeah, yeah.
He's talking at that point about sexual blackmail because Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself or whatever, but just the whole idea that Tucker Carlson says, he's like, so have you ever touched a boobie?
Have you ever done the sex?
What is that?
He does try to hit that too, like, oh, so, you know, when you're famous, you probably, probably have a good time dating, right?
This is crazy.
Like, this is fucking insane to hear two grown men in the year of our Lord 2024 be like, if you're a famous person, you would be insane.
And I'm thinking like, what is going to be the rest of the sentence, you know, to, to maybe join like an orgy club or something.
Yeah.
Okay.
Fine.
Maybe to get into online porn.
Yeah, to look at any naked people on your phone.
What?
Do you think they're sincere in this thought?
They seem like it.
There was a real, it really felt like a whole, like, I don't watch porn, do I, hun?
At all, ever.
It really felt like that to me.
Maybe I'm wrong and he actually doesn't.
That would explain a lot of his facial expressions, I guess.
And it's so bewildering because the whole reason they're saying that is because the they, guess what?
It's they.
Yeah.
Regardless.
can frame you digitally with like kiddie porn and whatever.
So they're like, therefore you'd be crazy to look at porn to which I'd say, well, they can just set you up.
Yeah.
Why would it matter?
Yeah.
I mean, if- I'll show you what I look at.
Well, no, I keep my porn in this file.
Obviously, that's not mine.
I'll show you what I look at.
Right, right.
This is what I'm into.
And I will say, maybe Aaron Rodgers is crazy enough that one of them says, like, oh, I don't even have a laptop, which was fucking weird.
Maybe.
I mean, honestly, if you're that worried about this, it would be consistent to say, yeah, that's why I have literally no digital devices of any kind.
Like maybe that would prevent whatever this framing is, but they still could just put a hard drive somewhere.
And then we'd never know that you didn't ever have hard drive.
Like, this is so weird.
This part was so fucking weird.
I just want to be like, dudes, I'm watching porn right now.
What are you talking about?
If it came out and it's like, oh, you know, no illusions, online porn profile.
Like the thing that I'd be most worried about is like, it's a little tame based on the jokes that I make.
People would look at it and go, wow, you're a pretty vanilla here, man.
You joke higher than you jack up.
I'm just going to tell you that.
The world has moved on from, I don't know what you're fucking talking about, guys.
We have to get to Putin before we call it.
This is fucking insane.
You did one of the most controversial, somehow, not to me, most controversial interviews in the last, I don't know how long, when you went to Russia and did Putin.
How did it feel coming back?
Cause like anybody who watched the interview was like, number one, it was fucking awesome.
Number two, Putin came off as an interesting, thoughtful, smart individual.
And if you've read 1984, you know, the base game plan of government control is you have to have an enemy and you have to slander that enemy regardless if you know anything about them.
Yeah, but you guys don't have an enemy, though.
You don't do that.
No, you wouldn't want to.
There hasn't been an enemy in every single part of this conversation.
It's only the bad guys.
It's only them who do that.
They're the only they dealing out of the Sith, dealing Absolute.
Yes, exactly.
Fucking Jesus Christ.
Yeah, your enemy has been a pronoun this entire fucking time.
Are you kidding me?
Your enemy is literally anybody who can apply at any given time.
Jesus.
Putin apologists are like, You know, whitewashing all the stuff that he's done to different people.
And I was just like, no, I'd love to see Joe Biden give an interview where he can speak on the history of the United States in the same way that Putin talked about the history of his country.
Okay, here's one thing I do need to say.
I saw in the shitty idiot manosphere, I actually happened to see, I don't know why, I think it was because I was making a, I was trying to make a Twitter account to follow some of these assholes, you know, because I didn't want to do it on mine, because then I'd have to see them.
And I saw Sargon, At this time, around the time of Putin, the interview, this one, this was one of those talking points.
This manosphere, this exact group of people, they all get on the same exact little talking points in the weirdest way.
And this was one of them.
They're like, look at him.
Look at Putin.
He just delivered a master course on Russian history.
And it's like No.
So fucking weird.
I genuinely do not know what's going on here.
I think it's very easy to say, well, it's the money, there's the Putin, the funding.
I actually don't think Putin is paying Aaron Rodgers.
I think I read some articles on this to prepare for this.
Now, there is some level of obviously ties to Russia at some level of, you know, I'm not saying there's no financial ties to Russian oligarchs in the Trump camp.
You know, that all exists.
But to the, like, run-of-the-mill MAGA person now is like pro-Putin.
And it's fucking weird and disturbing.
I was trying to figure out, like, what happened?
And what I had forgotten about is it's sort of an accident of history, I think, in that the original call that Trump was going to get impeached over with Zelensky or whatever, right?
Because of that, then Putin invades Ukraine and Zelensky is looked at as the enemy.
And it's like, there's a bunch of factors.
But like, that's one of them that I kind of just forgotten about because there's so much to remember with Trump.
But like, oh, yeah, Zelensky was the one who was part of that fucking phone call.
And so he became, yeah, he became an enemy because of that.
And then, like, once you see him as the enemy, then you might see the other guy as the good guy.
And also it certainly triggers the libs to love Putin.
And also he's Christian.
So there's some of that.
It's like a bunch of shit in a stew that all coalesces into, like, this weird fascination with Putin.
It's unsettling.
Well, you know, and the thing about Putin, though, is that I think that Putin represents the sort of fascist that they want.
Yeah.
Right.
They want the strong man.
And of course, Vladimir Putin, whose autobiography is not an autobiography, but it was like, you know, he had to approve every word in it, his official biography.
Right.
It has a chapter in it about how everybody knew better than to bully him and nobody ever beat him up in school.
And anybody who tells you that is full of fucking shit.
So he's that guy.
He's like the defensively manly man guy who has to prove his manliness at every moment.
And that's what they want.
Right?
That's what those people respond to.
And so, yeah, a lot of it is the enemy of my enemy is my friend thing happening with Putin.
But a lot of it, too, is that they really do kind of want that guy.
And, of course, like you said, he hangs his banner on Christian values and stuff like that.
And he's homophobic.
And so he hits a lot of the chords that they want hit as well.
Lest anyone too young forget, like, Russia was literally the enemy.
You talk about the 1984.
That was you guys.
That was, well, I say you guys, that was Reagan, Republican, that was Tucker's side of things that was doing that mostly.
Like, there was obviously an adversarial, really, not to say that they were making an enemy out of nothing, but like, that was five minutes ago, mainstream Republican view, That Russia is the big evil enemy.
And now we're to this.
It's just disturbed.
I'm just bothered by that, how that happened.
It's just like fucking crazy.
Yeah.
It makes it feel like we're in some kind of a, like we're trapped in some kind of ridiculous example that someone's getting in 1988 about just how bad the Republican party could get.
And to me, worse than the Putin worship, I know that's a bold claim, worse than that is how they talk about Zelensky, because that is... Yeah.
What the fuck?
Okay, I need to play a little bit of that.
I don't have any emotional attachment to any foreign country, because I'm not a foreigner, I'm an American, and this is the only country I care about.
But for the record, yeah, I thought people can watch it and assess for themselves.
And they should.
It's a fascinating idea.
But the idea that you shouldn't be allowed to do that is so crazy to me.
Putin has a stock bit of revisionist history that he does that's propaganda to justify him taking Ukraine.
Yeah.
And there's nothing impressive about that.
That's just what you do when you're trying to just take something, you know, like you develop a mythology that's, you know, and it's loosely based on some historical things.
It's not like it's all made up, but it's like written with a certain slant.
And that's going to be your talking points.
And this weird idea by these fucking morons that like that's just down to his intelligence.
The fact that he can, oh, just spontaneously deliver a lecture on Russia.
No, no.
It's prepared propaganda to take over.
He learned it once.
It's not an academic display of brilliance.
What the fuck are you talking about?
And the idea that Biden couldn't easily deliver some sort of speech on U.S.
history that would be more fascinating and maybe a little propagandistic, but it would be somewhat accurate.
Like the idea that he couldn't do that is insane.
The guy is American history.
He's a thousand years old.
He was there.
Right.
Yeah, exactly.
The thing is, is that Putin convinced them.
Yeah.
And if you convinced me, you must be brilliant.
Yeah.
So, the Zelensky stuff, here, I gotta play that.
I'm just not gonna submit to that, period.
Being canceled by the people who have, like, just bowed down and given interviews from their knees to the Zelenskys of the world.
Gargling is the interview, yes.
It's wild.
As this guy comes over in fucking, uh, an outfit you'd wear to the, you know, to the store on a Sunday morning to ask Congress for another hundred billion dollars is fucking wild.
He looks like he's going to be in the, you know, village people music video.
That's like insane!
You do sort of wonder like that and a million other things going on right now.
You wonder if they're they're sort of seeing how far they can push the population until someone starts laughing.
Throughout this interview they're railing against the elites and what is more elitist than standing here and like going off about what somebody's wearing to advocate for his country that's currently at war?
Do you believe this guy in this war-torn country didn't wear a suit and tie?
Fuck, Aaron.
So weird.
He just a second ago was like, Tucker, you're so brave for going over to Russia and your life might've been in danger and you're just the bravest whatever.
Meanwhile, they are literally like bullying Zelensky.
It's the weirdest schoolyard bully thing of Zelensky.
Somebody whose life is very much in danger.
Far more danger than any of us will probably ever be in.
Apparently it was his military fatigues that he wore and it's a trademark of his.
Oh, was it really?
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
So now they're anti-veteran.
So it wasn't like a tank top with a barbecue sauce stain on it.
No.
Yeah.
And village people.
So dumb.
Do they like militaries that don't get invaded?
The ways that we saw during the Trump years of people instantly reversing positions that they had five seconds ago, that was always disturbing.
This one's really disturbing.
You're just taking on a worship of Putin and demonizing of the leader of the country that's getting invaded.
Not to say like anyone anywhere is a saint or whatever, but like going that hard about weird stuff like that in a way that like you can see the disgust in Aaron Rodgers' face.
That just shows how effective this constant negative kind of drum beating against Democrats or anyone Yeah, well, and the most terrifying thing about that whole aspect of it—and realistically, the Putin worship was probably the scariest and most newsworthy aspect of the entire interview—the scariest thing about that is that, like, we know who Putin is.
Putin is a terrifying human being, right?
But they're sending a very clear message that, hey man, if you want to kill reporters, and if you want to imprison political rivals and just let them rot and die in prison, and if you want to, like, come up with exotic poisons to mark the skin color of your opponents forever, and all this crazy shit, we're fine with that.
Like, we're okay with that as long as you're homophobic, as long as you hate the right people, we're okay with that.
That message could not be clearer in their Putin warship.
It harkens back to one thing said early in the interview, Tucker Carlson, when they're talking about, again, the they.
And he says, and they're not even good at fascism!
Yeah.
And I wrote, game disrespecting game.
Like, yeah, that's a weird thing to critique, buddy.
Like, yeah, the thing, you know, the thing I don't like about the they, the current they, it was Biden or whoever the fuck he was talking about in that moment.
They're not good at fascism.
And, you know, as an avid practicer of fascism, As a worshipper.
As a connoisseur.
Yeah, exactly.
I think that's lazy.
And Putin is good at fascism, so they like that.
He is pretty good at fascism, yeah.
In the waning moments here, I do want to get your guys' views on, like, I had a view of Tucker Carlson that I think was inaccurate back a couple years ago because he was the Fox News guy.
I put him in the category of Bill O'Reilly.
I kind of put him in that category because he took over that slot.
you know, eventually or whatever.
And he's not that.
He's very much not that.
I've been trying to think of what unifies these two idiots and like what makes all this make sense.
And the best I can come up with really is just conspiracy theorists.
I think that's the overall unifying thing.
And that allows a constant negativity towards others.
I I think that's the key.
As long as you're bashing some sort of they, you're fine.
They can never construct anything.
They can never build anything.
They can never advocate positively, really, for anything meaningful in policy or anything.
And it's the reason why even when Trump gets in, they're not happy.
They still have all their criticisms.
Like, Carlson, he was not happy with Trump.
I mean, all this COVID shit happened while Trump was president that they're complaining about.
Yeah.
Well, it's not clear they know that, but yeah.
They just think that was Biden who time-traveled to do that.
That's worrying to me because this, I think, is becoming the new right.
And I think it's a bit of a realignment.
It's so easy to constantly be harping on the they, picking out negative stories about whoever, making everyone seem that way on some other side.
I used to think Carlson was like, oh, he's just in it for Republicanism.
He's going to get the Republican.
I really don't think that's it.
I think he really is this guy.
I think that's probably correct.
You know, you talk about that realignment, I think we can draw on an example that you and I both lived through, right?
So, when you and I first got into podcasting, we did so sort of during the ascendancy of the atheist movement, when it was just about what we were against, right?
We're against religion, we're against this aspect of religion, we're against that aspect, we're against every aspect, and some we cared about and some we didn't care about, but we were, you know, we were all in the same boat, fighting against the same enemy or whatever, whatever, whatever.
As soon as the atheist movement was like, hey, we've got a lot of people here, what are we for?
There started to be all these various schisms.
These various people broke off and it was like, oh, well, you know what?
I don't want to be part of the social justice aspect of atheism.
Well, I don't want to be a part of the Islamophobic aspect of atheism, et cetera, et cetera.
And so we started having to break off.
Well, with conspiracy theories, you're given sort of a worldview where that never has to happen.
Yeah, exactly.
Conspiracy theorists don't, generally speaking, have a grand unifying theory that draws all their bullshit together.
It's all just questions.
It's all just they.
It's about questions, exactly.
It's all they.
They can be contradictory.
Like you said, the Venn diagram would just be insane to look at.
But because they're sort of insulated from ever having to be for anything, they can rally the troops really fucking well.
Exactly.
Yeah.
And I think as importantly, it's immune from their guy winning, because we saw that with Trump.
The contradiction, the hypocrisy is so obvious, but Aaron Rodgers in like two different sentences, like 10 seconds apart, on one hand, he talked about the swamp.
He talks about the deep state.
Aaron Rodgers likes to say the alphabet, whatever, CIA, FBI, all those.
Oh yeah.
In one moment it was, yep, they're just top to bottom.
You can't do anything about that.
And then when he was talking about a different thing, he's like, there's so many good people in those organizations, but it's the, it's the people at the top, you know?
I'm like, well, but you had the guy at the top and he put people there.
One moment it's rife with invisible people that are the danger.
And then in another moment it's, well, no, it's just the people at the top.
Depending on what thing you're trying to say.
And it just means that there's never any time where they can be satisfied, where Tucker Carlson and Aaron Rodgers can be satisfied at all.
No matter who goes into power, they will find ways to complain about it.
Now they have their elites, you know, Carlson would rather Republicans be in power, obviously.
I'm not saying he's like in the middle or some shit, but it's important to that worldview, to exactly your point.
No, I think you hit on it right there.
To always be able to have that enemy, You can't ever be in power, you know, you can't be like fully on board with Trump.
O'Reilly would be able to do that.
So like O'Reilly would switch to out and out propagandist for Bush or whoever was in, you know, whatever Republican was in office, he would do that.
And that's because he's a Republican and he wants Republicans.
I think more than anything, Carlson, I think he really is conspiracy theorist guy.
And I think it's more important to him to always be able to complain about the they.
Well, you know, I'm going to start my investigation, and I'm going to zoom in and enhance over and over.
Find out what all of those ducks are about.
Oh, yeah.
We'll have an answer soon, you guys.
Well, I think it's important to remember here that, like, Tucker Carlson has reinvented himself.
Like, he was a liberal at one point, right?
Remember, he was on, like, MSNBC?
No, he still played the conservative on that.
But he was way more liberal than he was as his Fox News persona and whatnot until he got his ass handed to him by Jon Stewart, gave up the bow tie and started a life of crime or whatever.
I honestly don't think that Tucker Carlson is genuinely anything.
I think it's just all about where, you know, he's following the money and he thinks that's where the money goes.
No, I used to think that and I don't anymore because he gave up so much money to leave Fox News.
Well, he didn't leave voluntarily.
No, but sorry to, to, he could have stayed by choosing to do different things and he would have retained more money.
I don't know anymore, man, because I see him here in his fucking wooden shed is all wooden, whatever, every wood.
I think he actually is just a conspiracy theorist.
Like, I think he believes this shit.
Cause I, I don't know.
It's hard to know, but it's fucking crazy when he threw in there that like, yeah, I didn't grow up particularly religious.
I was like, Oh fuck.
Yeah.
Is that right?
Did he grow up?
Cause he said he grew up kind of secular.
Yeah, he's from San Francisco.
I kept thinking in my mind, just without thinking about it, that he was this typical religious conservative, and I really don't think he is.
He's becoming religious, but... Yeah, no, I don't think he's that.
I think you're right that he believes all the stuff he's saying, right?
But I think belief for him is something that can be molded by self-interest in a way that's probably not even conscious.
Well, we might as well, uh, go out with the ultimate they.
We really see the extent of the flexibility of the they.
The, uh, the evil unseen world, um, overstepped.
A little bit too far.
Seen that the government wouldn't lie to them, wouldn't fuck with them, and I think those people are waking up.
That's why I have hope.
I really do have hope that
Um, that we've learned our lesson and that the powers that be, the, the, uh, the evil unseen world, um, overstepped a little bit too far and that they, they got power hungry and they got a little over their skis and that people woke up and are not going to allow this to happen again.
What is the this?
There's some weird things going on.
Us getting vaccinated.
Stuff at the border is very weird.
Like listening to Brett Weinstein talk on Rogan about the groups of Chinese military men that are getting in.
It's very unnerving.
And they're doing it in new ways, and we're not prosecuting anybody.
In a lot of these big cities, and there's the George Soros of the world, who are anti-human, and funding a lot of these protests, probably on these college campuses.
Anti-human?
Yeah.
How can a person be anti-human?
If you're suicidal, maybe you could be anti-human.
I don't know.
You could be anti-human, but maybe, but like you probably, yeah, you'd probably kill yourself or you'd be a terrorist that was trying to end the world.
But like, that's not what George Soros is, my man.
That's what are you talking about?
Talk about demagoguing and like demonizing someone.
Does it get more lazy than they are just Anti-human.
Wow.
Okay.
Nothing's more specific than that.
He's like, what?
How could you say that about it?
What the fuck are you talking about?
Remember when we were told that the terrorists hated us because of our freedom?
Yeah.
That looks like a PhD thesis compared to this.
At least they had to put some thought into it.
Hmm.
Freedoms.
Yeah.
No, they're anti-human.
They're just anti.
That's a result of having so many contradictory beliefs and conspiracy theories and never needing or wanting to make them work.
The enemy becomes more and more ridiculous, you know, because they're just like so full of contradictions.
Yeah.
Your point about the Venn diagram, right?
Eventually you need some kind of trans-dimensional Jewish alien lizard from Saturn.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
I'm sure we could go on about this forever, but you know, I stopped watching football.
I wanted to at least get your comments.
Is he still good at football?
I don't know.
Well, I mean, he was out with an injury all year last year.
He played like two plays and then broke his Achilles or tore his Achilles or whatever.
Um, so it remains to be seen.
But honestly, he wasn't that good the year before that, so I'm kind of hoping he's spent.
Hopefully.
Hey, he was an amazing quarterback back in the day.
Oh, he's one of the best that ever played, yeah.
Yeah, he's really good, yeah.
He may still be really good, too.
But also is insane, yeah.
So I wanted to get that football expertise in there just for a moment.
Of course.
Noah, thanks so much.
Noah, of course, everyone can find you on a number of shows that I'm a huge fan of.
