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Introducing Rina The Mechanic 00:07:08
	Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape.
	I'm your host, Brian Atlas.
	We're going to just jump right in.
	Sorry for the delay there.
	Sorry, we're a little about seven, eight minutes late.
	Go ahead and introduce yourself.
	First person.
	Hi, everyone.
	My name is Rina.
	I am 25.
	I am from Phoenix, Arizona.
	And my occupation, I am a mechanic.
	I am a fabricator.
	I'm a business owner, anything and everything, cars, mechanical, building things from scratch.
	Love it.
	And I'm dabbling in business now.
	I'll be buying my first pre-existing business here soon.
	Oh, one request.
	I totally forgot.
	Can I have you pop the sunglasses off?
	Not the Gucci shades.
	Yeah, can you snap this?
	Just hand them behind you for me.
	Sorry about that.
	I totally slipped my mind.
	Sorry.
	All right.
	So, and you're a mechanic.
	Yes.
	Oh, in education.
	Sorry, I missed that one.
	I, you know, I graduated from a school called UTI.
	That's a really unfortunate acronym.
	I'm like in a room full of women.
	You're like, oh, you have a UTI?
	No.
	Come on.
	I don't have a UTI.
	I guess permanently, I have a UTI because I have the degree from there.
	But yeah, so I have an associates of arts in mechanical for auto and diesel technology from the school called UTI.
	So that would be me.
	All right, cool.
	And how long have you been doing work on cars?
	I'd say a little over five and a half years now.
	And then I'd say about four years professionally.
	So I used to be a dealership technician and I was working on your cars and you bring them into dealership.
	You know, I started off doing oil changes and then I just progressively just learned more and more and I got certified and realized, wow, they're like taking a lot of the money that I could be making.
	So then I just kind of opened up my own thing and yeah, that's where I'm at now.
	Okay, all right.
	What about you?
	My name is Maya.
	I'm 22.
	I'm from California and I am a line cook and receptionist and I have no college education.
	All right.
	And you said you're from where again?
	California.
	Eureka, California.
	Eureka, got you.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Raven, is it on?
	Oh, okay.
	Is it what?
	I was wondering if the mic was on.
	Off?
	On.
	Yeah.
	It just sounded off.
	It just sounded off to me.
	I don't know why.
	It sounded off?
	Yeah.
	It's just my ears.
	I don't know.
	It sounded off compared to the other one.
	It doesn't matter.
	Wait.
	What?
	Okay.
	Don't worry about it.
	It's on.
	Don't worry about it.
	My name is Raven.
	I don't reveal my age on social media due to privacy reasons because of what I do.
	Can you explain that, though?
	Yes, I do FinDOM.
	Okay, but because of what you do, so you don't reveal your age because you do FinDom.
	Yeah, just for privacy reasons.
	Okay.
	But what are the concerns?
	I just don't like for subs to know too much about my personal life.
	That's pretty much it.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I'm over 18, so.
	Are you younger than 30?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Sometimes it's hard to tell, you know?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	Oh, did you finish your intro?
	No, I did not.
	Okay, continue.
	I did some college, but then my college shut down suddenly.
	Okay.
	And where are you from?
	Los Angeles.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What were you studying when you were in college?
	Musical theater.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My name's Grace.
	I am originally from Northern California, currently living in San Diego County.
	I'm 44, and I have a cosmetology license, and I've tried to get a degree a few times, but my ex-husband was in the Marine Corps, so following him around kind of dampered that.
	Okay, what about you?
	My name is Mariana.
	I am 25 years old.
	I'm from Oregon, and I'm a certified stoner.
	I have no college education, got my GED, so I'm just learning about cannabis right now.
	I'm Annie.
	I'm 35.
	I'm from Pennsylvania, near the Philadelphia area.
	I'm a full-time social media influencer, content creator, and I have a background in real estate, photography, and graphic design.
	You said 35?
	And 25 for you?
	Okay, you're a professional smoker, or what was it?
	Certified stoner.
	I made it.
	I made it a job.
	Switch the camera angles, please.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I create content regarding it and want to help people understand what it is because I feel like there's a lot of stigma around it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	How long have you been smoking?
	Seven years.
	Are you currently rocked right now?
	Yeah.
	No.
	No.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My name is Olivia.
	I'm 33.
	I majored in dance at Dean College and I'm re-enrolled in theology and minoring in pre-law with Liberty University.
	And I am a faith-based, anti-feminist, conservative content creator.
	And I am from Michigan.
	I'm sorry.
	Could you repeat your age for me?
	I might have missed it.
	33.
	33.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name's Lexi.
	I'm 30 from New York.
	I am a full-time live streamer.
	I wouldn't say content creator.
	I kind of, if you see my Instagram, it's very empty.
	I am only live streaming right now, currently on this app called Favorited, but I do have plans of getting my real estate license and a few other fun projects.
	And I originally went to school at Iona for criminal justice and psychology.
	And then, sorry, I did graduate school at John Jay for my master's in forensic mental health counseling.
	Gotcha.
	When did you get your master's degree?
	So I technically didn't finish it.
	Okay, you went there for your master's.
	Okay.
	I needed to take maybe two or three classes, including an externship, and kind of realized a few years into working in the psychology field that it was a lot more than I could emotionally handle.
	So I chose to take a step back and focus on being an entrepreneur.
	Okay.
	So you were last in school when?
Stepping Back From Psychology 00:08:58
	Three and a half years ago, four.
	Okay, got it.
	Rachel, what about you?
	I'm Rachel Wilson.
	I'm 45 years old.
	I am the wife of the handsomest debater on the internet.
	I'm also a mom of five, homeschooling advocate, debater myself, and best-selling author.
	I have a PhD from debateuniversity.com.
	Go there, get the Verbal Judo one and two.
	And I think that's it.
	Did you say where you're from?
	I'm originally from Michigan, now living in Texas.
	All right.
	Welcome, everybody.
	We're going to go around the table once more.
	What's everyone's relationship status?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Okay, well, I am currently taken, very happily taken, over two years now with my best friend, and he is my longest relationship.
	All right.
	For how long?
	For over two years now?
	Two years.
	Okay, got it.
	I'm single.
	I've never been in a relationship, and I don't plan to have had like situationships and stuff like that.
	So you said you don't plan to be in a relationship?
	No, I'd have no desire to ever get married or be in a long-term commitment with someone else.
	Okay.
	What's the longest period of time you have seen somebody?
	Probably eight months?
	Six months?
	Six to eight months?
	Was it exclusive, monogamous?
	It was exclusives for me, for me, but not for him.
	He was seeing other people.
	All right, so longest situation, eight months, but never like official, never boyfriend, girlfriend.
	Did you say I love you to him?
	No.
	Have you said I love you to anybody?
	Other than like family and friends?
	Yeah, just like in a romantic sense.
	Okay.
	So why is it that you don't want to ever be in a relationship?
	I just see all my friends' relationships and everyone around me.
	And I feel like a lot of the times people aren't mature enough to have an actual like good relationship and it turns into almost like a control dynamic of like, I don't want you hanging out with these people.
	Like where are you right now?
	And like texting all day long and I am just independent and I don't ever want to have to be attached to someone like that and I don't like being held accountable for my actions and that's kind of what a relationship is.
	There you go.
	Like at least we're for sure.
	Can you repeat that part?
	The last part of that.
	I don't like being accountable for my actions and being in a relationship.
	What are some actions that you've taken that you don't want to be accountable for?
	I'm just thinking like I go out like almost every weekend, multiple times a week and like I just do stuff.
	A lot of people in a relationship would I feel like be like I don't want you doing that anymore.
	Like why are you like what?
	I don't know.
	Mostly just going out and I don't like partying.
	Yeah, partying, drugs.
	Not drugs, but partying, drinking, like going to clubs, stuff like that.
	And I feel like a lot of times men especially will get jealous if their girlfriend likes to go to clubs and stuff because they feel like they're only going there to hang out with other guys or get hit on by other guys.
	And I feel like it would take a very specific person to not get jealous.
	So in the calculus of what matters most to you, the trade-off of even if you did have to sacrifice those things, it wouldn't be worthy enough of sacrificing your desires to do those things than to have like a long-term, loving, committed relationship.
	I've never craved that.
	Like of course I crave like love and affection, but I feel like I get enough like love from my friends.
	I've never wanted like a deeper connection on a romantic level.
	Okay.
	What's your orientation?
	I'm straight.
	Okay.
	Have you ever dated women?
	I've never dated a woman.
	Okay, so no desire.
	No desire to date a woman, never dated a woman.
	I don't find women attractive.
	Do you want kids?
	No, absolutely not.
	Absolutely not.
	Well, you're still young.
	You're 22.
	I grew up like what I was, I was homeschooled through high school, and I worked at a horse farm, and I dealt with a lot of kids and a lot of kids that had special needs, a lot of really little kids.
	And it's just a lot.
	Like, kids are a lot, and they're a lifelong commitment.
	It's not just raising them until they're 18.
	You have to raise them until you die.
	And that's just like not something I want to do.
	I have a dog that I love so dearly, and that is my child.
	Do you suspect your kids are going to be?
	I shouldn't say retarded, but I do.
	That is a concern.
	Well, not just a concern, but you have like a, is there a something in the family?
	Well, I just, I look at like my whole entire family, like everyone, my grandpa was an alcoholic, my mom's an alcoholic.
	I'm not an alcoholic, but I do like to go out and I like to drink and stuff.
	So I'm just looking at like, especially where my brother is now too, and stuff like that.
	And I also just don't like the way our world is going, like politically, climately, all that stuff.
	And I would never want to bring a child into this.
	Yeah.
	She's like, Rachel, Jesus.
	She's said a few different things there.
	Do you want anything there that you have any thoughts on, Rachel?
	Yeah, I mean, this, if you think things are bad now, then you don't know history.
	We are living in, it seems like things are really bad, and it's not that we don't have problems, but like historically, your ancestors went through much worse things for you to end up being here.
	And after all of the, think of what it takes for you to ever be born, how many people have to survive and procreate over the generations for you to be born.
	And you're just like, nah, bro, I just want to party.
	Like, screw that.
	Gene, gene genetics are ending here.
	Sorry, ancestors.
	Like, I'm out because I want to go to the bar.
	Don't you think that's extremely selfish and short-sighted and like really, really lazy and taking the easy way out?
	It's not even that, though.
	It's more so like kids are like, I wouldn't even be able to like hang out with friends or something.
	Like having a baby is like a full-time commitment.
	Like you, when they're first born, unless you have the money to have a nanny or something like that, you have to be there all of the time and going back to work and stuff.
	And considering I would never want to have a partner, I wouldn't have anyone else to rely on.
	And assuming I like to go get married.
	This is a deep question to get into this early in the podcast, but like what's the point of life to you?
	I think having fun and making people laugh and that you have in your life, I think that, I think.
	Yeah, having fun and making people laugh.
	Good job.
	Good job.
	Yeah.
	That's my goal.
	Excellent.
	Okay.
	Make us laugh right now.
	Say something funny.
	I don't have any jokes.
	They concoct my mind and then they go away.
	I'll think of something and if I have something funny to say, I'll make sure it comes out.
	Although, I wonder if that question is unfair, because if a woman sat here and said, well, my life goal is to get pregnant, should I ask her if she'd like to get pregnant right now?
	I don't know, maybe.
	Let me rethink that, I guess.
	Do you think that the purpose of life is procreation?
	You could be like, hey.
	Exactly.
	I just think the purpose of life is to enjoy your best life and live in the day, in the moment, in the presentation.
	So no meaning.
	No meaning.
	I don't think there's any God.
	I don't think that there's any full meaning to life.
	I think humans' entire goal, they're always just searching for a purpose, searching for some greater meaning or some reason to be alive.
	But in reality, I don't think there really is one.
	I think just our own mortality scares us so much that we are trying to find a reason to be alive and a reason to be doing what we're doing.
	And I think that's also like, that's why a lot of people commit suicide and stuff like that is because they feel like they don't have a reason to their life.
	Well, all I can say is you're a little sponge and you've soaked up the antinatalist, nihilistic propaganda like crazy.
	And it seems cool at 22.
	You will not think it's cool at 42.
	It won't be cool at 42.
	Never even been to a church or opened a Bible, never read a Bible, anything like that.
	Like I was raised very, like, extremely atheist.
	And I didn't you just say though that like your mom and your grandpa and the people that raise you are like kind of toxic, kind of not doing great.
	So why would you want to do what they're doing?
	Because, well, my grandpa's dead.
	I feel like I also disassociated from my mom's half of the family like relatively young in life.
	And I feel like I've just since then been going on and trying to do my own thing and be my own independent person.
	And even when I was like living at home and stuff, I was basically raising myself, took the bus everywhere to work.
	I had my own online school that I was doing.
	I wasn't actually homeschooled.
	It was like an online program thing.
	So it sounds like a lot of people failed you really badly.
	I can relate.
	I had a very similar childhood.
	And you're trying to avoid pain.
	That's what it sounds like to me.
	But we can see as we go forward and talk.
	Sure.
Avoiding Pain After Breakup 00:03:13
	Relationship status.
	First of all, I agree.
	I agree with a lot of what she just said.
	Who?
	What's your name?
	Maya.
	Maya.
	Okay.
	Because she and she.
	Oh.
	So.
	Oh.
	It was a bit vague.
	No, no hard feelings at all.
	But Maya, I agree with a lot of what you just said.
	So you don't want kids?
	No, no, it's not that I don't want kids.
	I just agree with the point that I feel like, in my experience, I feel like we make ourselves as humans kind of miserable by just searching for a meaning in life.
	And I feel like time just passes us by.
	Just we're just looking for a meaning every day.
	And sometimes it's good to just stop in the now and just breathe and enjoy the moments.
	Oh.
	What?
	I also think it's super respectable, like your independence and everything.
	And I think you're really smart.
	But yeah.
	Anyway.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Hi.
	Can I have you actually scoot your microphone back like two inches that way?
	Relationship status for you?
	I am single.
	I've been single for about a year.
	All right.
	What's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Three years.
	Three years.
	Okay.
	Orientation?
	I exclusively date women.
	Exclusively date women?
	Yes.
	So are you bisexual or lesbian?
	I'm mostly.
	I'm lesbian.
	I just don't label it, but yeah.
	You have dated men, though.
	In the past, yes.
	Yes.
	When's the last time you dated a man?
	In high school.
	When did you graduate from high school?
	You're trying to get me.
	I see what you're trying to do, Brian.
	Yeah, you're trying to get me.
	Don't know what you're talking about.
	Let's say about four years ago.
	I.
	Yeah, about all right.
	She's 23.
	We figured it out.
	Okay.
	So, okay.
	The last time you dated a man was four years ago.
	And you've been single for one year.
	Any women in the picture currently?
	No.
	Okay.
	The relationship that ended a year ago was with a woman.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Would you date a trans woman?
	I would.
	It just depends on the woman.
	It just depends.
	I would like it depends on how far along in the transition she is as well.
	Okay, so bottom surgery.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What about no bottom surgery, but fully transitioned otherwise?
	Probably not to date.
	That's not my preference.
	Okay.
	Would you date a trans man?
	No.
	Before surgery, so there's still a vagina.
	No.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	Okay.
Dating Trans Women Openly 00:03:25
	And trying to think.
	Single for one year.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My last relationship ended September last year.
	It was with my daughter's dad.
	We were engaged.
	We were together since 2020.
	And then before that, my longest relationship was with my ex-husband.
	That was from 2004 to 2018.
	So 14, 14 years?
	Almost 15.
	And then you've been single for about six months?
	Six months.
	Okay.
	And you've been married one time?
	Yes.
	And then you were engaged to one other person, the most recent guy.
	Yeah.
	So you're single?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	You have how many kids?
	Two.
	Two.
	You have one from my son is 19 from my ex-husband, and then my daughter is going to be four in May.
	I'm going to be four.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And you said you're 44?
	Yes.
	Okay, so you got pregnant at 39, 40?
	Yeah.
	I turned 25 when I was pregnant with my son.
	I was 39, turned 40 when I was pregnant with my daughter.
	Gotcha.
	And children are like the greatest blessing.
	Like, I've learned so much from them, and they've brought so much joy into my life.
	Like, your dog.
	Yeah.
	Like, they don't know.
	A little child can look back at you and like, I love you, mommy.
	You don't know my dog.
	My dog's like, my dog looks at me like that.
	That's how my cat is.
	People think babysitting is like having your own child.
	They are nothing alike.
	People will take care of someone else's kids and be like, oh my god, this is awful and it's so much work.
	There's something magical that happens when it's your child that is just not even comparable to babysitting or working with other people's kids.
	I've had friends that I hate everybody's kids, but I love mine.
	I think some people choose pets as children because it allows them to not be held accountable for that being unlike a child.
	See, I think that's exactly what I'm doing.
	I'm worried that if I raised a kid, like just thinking of the way I kind of like grew up, I wouldn't want to be like hypocritical about certain things.
	And I don't know.
	I don't trust myself to raise a kid.
	Yeah, but what's cool about it?
	So like, yeah, my mom was a raging alcoholic, pretty awful, had a really bad childhood.
	It was really, really rough.
	And my family life was a disaster.
	And what I did was grew up, had my own kids, and created that intact, healthy, happy family that I never had.
	Yeah.
	And really like leaned into motherhood and gave it everything I had.
	And it's to there's no way to put it into words for other people to understand if they're stuck in that mindset of like, baby bad, I don't want to fail.
	You sound scared to fail.
	You sound scared to fail and like you're avoiding, you know, risking pain.
	Your whole entire body after giving birth.
	I mean, like, you're fucking coochie and like your stomach.
	Like all the time.
	Man, like that just sounds terrible.
	No, everything is hell.
	Everything is intact.
	It's made to do that.
	I've done it five times.
	There's nothing, nothing catastrophically blew open.
	It didn't come back to like that's the outcome for everyone, though.
	No, but most of the time, it's fine.
	Most of the time, it's fine.
	And you don't even remember the pain.
	It's not a word.
	And you're 22.
	Like, I wouldn't make that a final decision.
Fear Of Failing Again 00:13:50
	Like, you know, five years, 10 years from now.
	Yeah.
	You know, you might be in a place too.
	So, okay, you've been single for six months.
	Have you had a rebound?
	No.
	No.
	I'm a Latter-day Saint.
	No.
	No, dating-day saints.
	I've gone on some dates.
	I recently.
	LDS.
	Yes.
	Have you always been LDS?
	I was baptized when I was 20.
	20, okay.
	Where do you live?
	San Diego.
	Oh, not Utah?
	Okay.
	No.
	I've never lived in Utah.
	I had lots of friends there, but I actually prefer Latter-day Saint culture outside of Utah or Utah a lot.
	Are your parents LDS?
	I'm the only one in my family.
	I'm sorry.
	What is LDS?
	That was the Latter-day States Christmas Days.
	Mormon, Mormonism.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	And so, okay, you question for your marriage, it was 14 years the marriage?
	And had you been dating for longer?
	He was in the military and we dated long distance.
	Yeah.
	So you guys got married pretty quick?
	Pretty quick, pretty young.
	Okay.
	I think we got married almost exactly a year after we met.
	Okay.
	But he was in Kuwait the majority of that time.
	Gotcha.
	Who initiated the divorce?
	Me.
	Was there a particular reason?
	I don't know that I ever felt like I was a huge priority.
	It was a dysfunctional relationship.
	I would say I have a decent relationship with him now.
	You guys co-parent?
	Well, my son's 19.
	I guess prior to being an adult.
	Yeah.
	I mean, if I think push comes to shove, I needed something, I could call him.
	I'm pretty close friends with his wife.
	So.
	And you said it was a dysfunctional relationship, or am I the.
	You know, I mean, I think he's a good person.
	I think I'm a good person.
	I just, I've used the analogy that's like we're oil and water.
	We shake it up.
	We act like we mesh well, but then we repel each other.
	Was there anything in the divorce?
	Was there anything cited specifically?
	You know, California is a no-fault state, so irreconcilable.
	Irreconcilable differences.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And did he pay you alimony?
	Yes.
	Does he still pay you alimony?
	I get a percentage of his military retirement because we were married over 10 years.
	Wait, so our son graduated high school in June, so alimony and child support stopped at that point.
	Okay.
	And he was, was he enlisted or was he an officer in the military?
	He was enlisted.
	He was enlisted.
	Yeah.
	And what did he go on to do after the military, his career?
	Basically, the same thing.
	He was military police.
	So he stayed in the military for a long time.
	Yeah.
	He retired at 15 years.
	They did an early retirement because they were trying to lower the numbers.
	And so, wait, you married in, was it 2004?
	2004, and you stayed with him until it was 26.
	2018 was when our divorce was finalized.
	We filed in 2015.
	And you were with him, so 14 years, right?
	And so it was finalized in 2018?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so he retired in 2015.
	So they figure I get 50% of the 11 and a half years, basically, because that's when we were together that he was earning the retirement.
	So will he be paying you alimony for the duration of his life?
	The retirement, yes.
	Wow.
	And it's not a ton of money, but it helps.
	Okay, and he was also paying you child support, too.
	Now, I'm assuming it sounds like this arrangement was dictated by the court.
	Yeah, the court.
	It wasn't like informally.
	I mean, we worked with the mediator through a military-based legal mediator who helped us come up with numbers.
	Were you working at all at the time?
	So when we lived in Okinawa, Japan, I had a salon in our house.
	My son was kindergarten when we moved there, so I was able to do hair while he was at school.
	When did you move back to the USA?
	So I was in Japan the end of 2012 through May of 2015.
	And then he retired in August of 2015.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And then question for you.
	Do you think it's fair that he has a essentially, you guys were together for 15 years, which to be fair is a long time.
	In my understanding of the law, once you've been married beyond 10 years, that's when some of these long or sometimes lifelong alimony responsibilities start to kick in.
	Do you think it's fair, though, that given that you guys have been separated for such a long period of time, eight years at this point, that he should still be paying you money?
	Well, I mean, the retirement, I basically was an extension of him, you know, following him everywhere.
	The Marine Corps sent us.
	So the Marine Corps moves him around every three years.
	So it's often the Marine Corps.
	Yes.
	What was his job in the military?
	Military police.
	Oh, he's military police.
	So he would enforce military laws among the soldiers.
	Basically like a cop on sea.
	Well, you can't call a Marine a soldier, but they're Marines.
	Soldiers, Army.
	Aren't Marines soldiers?
	Nope.
	Well, they will.
	Will they get offended by that?
	I've never seen that.
	Very much so.
	Yeah.
	So Air Force's Airmen, Navy's Seaman, Marines, Marine.
	Yeah.
	Well, they're all soldiers.
	Nope.
	If you're in the Navy, you're a soldier.
	Nope.
	If you're in the Army, you're a soldier.
	Am I?
	I don't know.
	Maybe somebody in the chat.
	The general population probably agrees with that.
	Anybody in the military community would say otherwise.
	I have a question, too.
	Yeah.
	Was he also LDS?
	He was raised in the church.
	He was not active when we got married.
	He started going to church right before we moved to Japan.
	That was actually part of why I moved there, because I was...
	I thought they were pretty against divorce, is the reason I was wondering.
	I don't know.
	I mean, just like, I'm not feeling it anymore.
	Usually I thought they weren't into that.
	I mean, we get to do what we want to do.
	I mean, I'm not going to let my religion dictate my life.
	Well, you should.
	No, I have no point of it.
	No, I know.
	But like, okay, so we have, for example, what's called the word of wisdom, which part of is no alcohol.
	So I've had a lot of people, why do you let your church tell you you can't drink?
	I'm like, well, they say, hey, this is a good health standard.
	There's lots of problems that come with excessive drinking and whatnot.
	You know, you could be an alcoholic.
	But then I choose if I want to follow it or not.
	Yeah, but does the church see marriage as a religious sacrament or just like a contract with the state?
	Your church?
	I mean, we have these gorgeous temples all over the world.
	And when you get married in a temple, it's called being sealed together.
	So you are sealed together for time and all eternity.
	Well, what's the point of that if you can just break it because you're just like, I don't feel very important.
	Well, it was more than that, but that was.
	I mean, yeah.
	Was there like abuse going on or was there no fidelity or there was no like physical abuse?
	I would say he was emotionally abusive to me.
	Emotionally abusive.
	Emotionally abusive.
	Just we'll dive more into that, but a few clarifying questions.
	So you said you, when I asked you if you think it's fair that despite you guys being separated for eight years at this point, your child is now an adult.
	So his child support, just to be clear.
	Child support now stopped in June last year when Mega graduated.
	My understanding in California, sometimes in California, you have to pay sometimes even beyond, yeah, like through college.
	So it could be 21, 22.
	Yeah.
	So it's just a military retirement.
	I see.
	But I asked if you thought it was fair that he was still paying you money all this time.
	And you said, well, I was, I was.
	I followed him wherever he was.
	You an extension.
	Now, you said he was a military police officer.
	I would imagine that a military police officer would encounter the same sort of things that, like, a civilian police officer deals with, whether it's, you know, enforcing the laws of the military.
	And so sometimes, and you know, they probably do traffic stops on base, or they'll do, they'll be handling issues with the Marines.
	And so I guess what specifically were you doing?
	What were your law enforcement obligations as an extension of that?
	I was saying that I was an extension of him basically because, or the Marine Corps sent him, I went also.
	I mean, a corporate job could send a husband to North Dakota or Alaska.
	And so.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Could you voluntarily be like, look, it's been, you paid your child support, you paid the alimony.
	You know, maybe I'll let you off the hook.
	Could you voluntarily do that?
	Potentially, I guess.
	So what would it take for us to convince you here that because your obligations to him have completely ceased?
	Like you don't still sleep with him, right?
	No.
	Right.
	You haven't slept with him, I'm assuming, since perhaps even well before the divorce.
	Right?
	So your obligations to him have completely ceased, but despite you were engaged to this other guy and you've maybe dated other men since that time, he still has this ongoing obligation to you, which I find, I mean, look, the law, it's not entirely your fault insofar as the law, the court system has this set up and enables it.
	But maybe you could voluntarily say, you know what, forget it.
	Would you do that?
	So the majority of our relationship, I was a stay-at-home mom.
	I had some retail jobs before our son was born.
	When he was just over two, I went to cosmetology school.
	And then I've worked in home when he got to kindergarten age.
	But where was I going with that?
	You were saying that.
	So we have a son together.
	After the divorce, the divorce decree said that I could live in San Diego County, Orange County, and Riverside County.
	But really, I was only allowed to be in Oceanside because that's where our son was in school.
	So having, you know, basically been a stay-at-home mom and then being in one of the most expensive places in the United States, like it's been a struggle.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	So yeah, I could have chosen to move someplace less expensive, but I would have given up custody.
	Well, I mean, just to be clear, so I'm going to go ahead and grant that the alimony that you received in addition to the child support was, let's just go ahead and, although I might have some contentions with it, let's grant that up until your son became an adult, it was warranted and justified.
	But now that your son is 19, you said, you could move.
	Is your son in school in San Diego?
	He was going to go to UTI.
	So I, yeah.
	But instead, for him, he thought he went to UTI for me.
	He did want to go to school to be a mechanic, but he.
	Well, so where is he now?
	He's just working.
	He's in San Diego.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Does he live with you still?
	Oh, he's mostly living with his dad right now.
	Oh, he lives with his dad.
	Okay.
	Well, so, but I understand the justifications of, like, okay, look, you took time away from work so that you could stay at home, take care of the kid.
	But now that there's not a kid involved, and this is basically the same thing as like a 401k.
	Like, would you be asking somebody who is splitting a 401k post-divorce?
	He worked for it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, no, but he receives a military, was it military retirement?
	Pension, retirement?
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's essentially the same thing.
	Well.
	And, you know, I was taking care of him all those years.
	Wasn't taking care of you.
	Food, utilities, rent.
	He paid everything, right?
	That seems like 10 points.
	For, well, for a 15-year period of time when you guys were living together, you were staying at home.
	It sounds like he was the primary sole breadwinner, even.
	I mean, he was at certain points.
	While we were in Japan, I definitely was pretty successful while we're there.
	Okay, sure.
	You did your part in moments.
	Couldn't you do that now?
	Couldn't you work?
Military Life And Health Struggles 00:03:44
	Unfortunately, I have, I get pretty bad sciatica.
	So doing hair full-time unfortunately causes a lot of pain.
	What about like a desk job or something like that?
	Like, can't you find another career path?
	I'm working on it.
	I'm sorry, I keep asking you to define things, but can you define the sciatica?
	I don't know what that is.
	Oh, it's the sciatic nerve goes through your back down to your legs.
	And if it gets pinched, it causes like.
	I would rather be in labor than have sciatica.
	Sciatica is way worse.
	I mean, you could definitely work from home on the computer.
	You could lay on the.
	Like my boyfriend literally, he works from his computer.
	Straight.
	Straight.
	Sorry.
	My boyfriend works from his computer from home a lot.
	And he can lay on the couch.
	He can do whatever he wants.
	I mean, there's definitely jobs out there for sure, especially in this day and age, that you could most definitely do that would not, you know, compromise your health with that condition, though.
	Was your husband active duty?
	Like, so he was in combat ever?
	No.
	He was deployed to Kuwait prior to us getting married, but that was the only deployment.
	Did he ever discharge his weapon in the line of service?
	I mean, aside from training exercises, I don't believe so.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry.
	The whole, like, I did my part sometimes by having some retail jobs, and that equates to equal value of him putting his life on the front line to defend your freedom.
	That's going to be a no for me, but same.
	Same.
	Well, it sounds, to be fair, it sounds like he wasn't a combat soldier.
	He was a military police.
	Yeah, so he was police officer on the base, basically.
	Right.
	Which, I mean, does carry risks.
	He still carries risks and is stressful.
	I mean, being a law enforcement officer is a stressful job.
	You're often dealing with complicated people, let's say.
	The stories.
	Yeah.
	I'm sure.
	I'm sure.
	Even though they were soldiers, I'm sure that, or Marines, excuse me.
	Can different branches?
	I assume he would only be policing Marines because there is interfacing sometimes between different branches.
	So when we were in Okinawa, they had every branch of the military, but they all had their own bases.
	So the only, there's overlap between like on Marine Corps base, there will be a naval hospital, so the Navy does all the medical on Marine Corps base.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm just thinking like, because sometimes the military police, like let's say there's a cadet or recruit or whatever, or Marine who's like out drunk in the bar area of Okinawa or whatever.
	Like, I'm assuming, like, and he's acting a fool, like a military police officer is going to come.
	And if there's also, like, an airman who's in the group and they're all, I don't know if there would be some sort of authority over the, even though it's a different branch, if like the airman's part in cahoots with the Marine who's acting ridiculous.
	I don't know.
	It doesn't matter, but.
	No, I get what you're saying.
	I do believe in something like that.
	They would try to call his command.
	But I don't know.
	Maybe we could, maybe you could just let him off the hook.
	What do you think?
	Today, no.
	Maybe some down the line.
	Down the line.
	Does he, is he?
	Do you think that he's bothered by it?
	Is he bothered by it?
	But fucking pissed.
	Like, imagine.
	Think of it like this.
	Think of, I know maybe some of you haven't been married in these situations, but think about some ex-boyfriend from years ago.
	And like every month you got paying 300 bucks, 500 bucks.
	You'd be like, what the fuck?
	The kid's gone.
Unfair Alimony Expectations 00:15:32
	I know somebody that's in this situation who's not divorced and the person won't sign the paperwork.
	And they were military and she's literally holding on to it just for a paycheck.
	That's horrible.
	That's horrible.
	And he has PTSD from being a combat veteran.
	He served in Iraq.
	And yeah, she literally sees him as a paycheck.
	I guess my better question is: are you intentionally doing this because you're vengeful?
	Or is it just because it is how it is and you haven't ever thought about the fact of how he could be responding to that emotionally?
	Like if he's never complained about it to you, to your face, and you don't have the vengeful intention, why break something that wasn't broken?
	Like if it's working for you, if it's working for you and you know he's not mad about it or he's at least not vocal about it, why break something that's not broken?
	I mean, it's legally what was that's what I'm saying.
	You guys had a mediator though, so it wasn't amicable.
	Hold on.
	Legally, you used to be able to own slaves.
	Not today, though.
	Legally, you could own slaves.
	Legally, you used to be able to hit women.
	Was it correct?
	Yeah.
	Like, we could, I mean, perhaps in your position, you might not agree with this, but there is some social current that does seem to point towards certain degrees of alimony and child support as being a bit unfair towards the payer.
	Like, should you be bound for imagine, say you were married from the age of 20 to 31, and then this woman at 31, she divorces him.
	I'm not saying you did this.
	Let's say she cheats on him.
	Legally, she's still owed alimony.
	I mean, you could even remove the cheating component to it.
	But that is a scenario where the woman can be at fault for the cause of the divorce and still receive the benefits.
	But should this man, say, 30 years later, still have to pay her alimony?
	I think not.
	I don't think, okay, you married at 20, you divorced at 31.
	It was past 10 years.
	Sometimes I think it depends on the state.
	The laws vary.
	But I think past 10 years, you can get into permanent life alimony territory.
	Which we didn't.
	We agreed to just have the alimony go until our son graduated high school.
	Well, the child support.
	No, alimony.
	Alimony.
	So you're not getting alimony anymore?
	Or you're just getting the retirement?
	That's the retirement.
	Well, that's alimony.
	That's forget it.
	It's an asset.
	I would suppose, regardless of how we categorize it, he owes you a financial burden.
	Like he has to pay you money beyond the course like for forever.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Like if it was.
	Before we moved to Japan, we were contemplating getting divorced at that point.
	And that was when he decided to start going back to church.
	And I said, you know, if we do, if I do go to Japan with you and we do try, it'll put us over the 10-year mark and it'll change things financially afterwards.
	Oh, you had that conversation with me?
	I did have that conversation with him.
	And the marriage was in California?
	Yes.
	And the divorce proceedings, I'm assuming, in California?
	Yeah.
	California life alimony cutoff date.
	I don't know.
	If that's going to prompt it.
	There's no automatic lifetime alimony.
	For marriages of 10 years or more, the court often keeps jurisdiction indefinitely, allowing support to continue until death of either party.
	So if 10 years, in California, at least, where you had your marriage and divorce, it is 10 years.
	So damn, that's, yeah, that sucks.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	That's the risk of marriage.
	Everybody has to know that going into it.
	Wait a minute.
	I think everybody at this table, probably besides me and maybe a couple of, well, a few of you.
	But that side of the table is going to say men and women are equal.
	So why is it only the men that have to pay?
	But why do you assume that?
	No, you don't think that men and women are equal?
	I don't believe that men and women are equal in the physical and emotional sense.
	By scientific biology, we're not.
	But I don't believe that because of biology, we should be treated any.
	Legally equal, though.
	You believe in legal and political equality between men and women.
	I would assume.
	It's pretty rare that I come across women who are like, I believe that should happen, or do I believe that's what's insistent?
	Do you believe that's how it ought to be?
	I believe that is how it ought to be.
	Okay, then if you believe that's how it ought to be, why is it only the man that has to pay the alimony for the spousal support?
	That's country law.
	That's belief by I understand what is.
	Why ought that be the case?
	Why aren't you saying, look, if we have equality, there should be equality in divorce too?
	I believe that is true.
	And that's why I was like, that's the risk.
	If you're marrying with the laws that way, that's the risk you take.
	Unless you want to deal with that, then don't get married.
	So men don't get married.
	That is like the simple point.
	No one wants to have that conversation because that's wild.
	Why not get married?
	But also, divorce is a pain, you know.
	And I feel like a lot of people don't think through their decision of marriage because, I mean, we're having this conversation right now, like if it's fair or not, but that was.
	I think the solution is to change the laws.
	I don't think that marriage should even be through the laws and the courts.
	It should be governed by the church, but we can get into that later.
	So, like, hypothetically, in my situation, say I had been the active duty military member and he had been a stay-at-home parent after getting divorced.
	I absolutely would be paying him the money.
	So, it's not the because he was the man, it was because he was the breadwinner, and that was an asset that was earned during the marriage.
	So, she is right insofar as it's not, the laws are not specifically gendered that says men, it's right, but do men have to do it.
	But since women have the children, women have the children, and so everything's set up that you know, if you just decide I'm not happy, you just leave, and he owes you for life.
	I don't know, that don't seem right to me.
	I mean, it was probably more complicated than I just wasn't happy.
	Well, the relationship wasn't good.
	Well, we're here to talk about relationships, so like maybe you can give us like a hint as to what else was going on.
	I mean, he would yell at me often.
	Like, I don't think women should tolerate being yelled at by their husbands.
	Well, I think there's definitely times when your husband might need to set you straight.
	And I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with that.
	I mean, wives yell at their husbands plenty, don't they?
	If I was going to be giving somebody constructive criticism to set them straight, do you think yelling at them is going to be the way to have them receive the message?
	I think that expecting men to act like women and be psychologize everything and sound like an HR manager, men are not going to, this is what women need to understand.
	If you want to get married, don't have the expectation that a man is going to sit down and go, now, sweetie, I would like to share with you my feelings about what just transpired.
	And it's okay if you want to share.
	I'm going to share.
	Like, that's not how men communicate.
	Men are more straightforward and they'll say, they'll usually try to talk to you first and go, hey, I don't like this.
	This behavior needs to change, whatever.
	And then when we cry or equivocate or give them all kinds of trouble or dance around it or turn it into a five-day-long argument, they usually have enough and then they explode and then they yell.
	Now, maybe that's not what happened with you, but when women say emotional abuse to me, the first thing that comes to my head is they're thinking that the man needs to act like a mommy.
	He needs to act like a girl.
	He needs to communicate like a female would.
	And that's not fair to expect from men.
	And I think that if you want that, you should marry a woman.
	I mean, don't marry a woman because that's the same thing.
	I feel like in our relationship, I was probably more in his mommy role versus his wife role because it's like, hey, the lawn needs to get mowed.
	Yeah, I'll do it tomorrow.
	And it's like, hey, can you just see that the lawn needs to get mowed and I'm doing the XYZ?
	And that sounds like every time.
	Yeah, that's right.
	So I know, but it's like, it's like, I don't think it's too much to ask for another grown adult to actively be participating in the home instead of.
	It isn't, but is it worth breaking a family up over because the grass is a little long?
	Like you really, this is the same thing.
	No, I mean, that way you got to let me know.
	Well, it's just one example.
	And I used to do this myself.
	When I was younger, I used to do this too.
	And I've seen all the women in my life do this.
	You're watching the man and you're going, he didn't see the, does he not see that the grass needs to be mowed?
	And did he not see that he dropped his socks on the bathroom floor and didn't pick them up?
	And I've told him to for a million times.
	He doesn't care about me.
	I've told him I don't like that.
	That means he doesn't care about me.
	He doesn't love me.
	That's emotional abuse.
	But in men's minds, they're going, I got to go to work.
	I got to deal with my boss.
	I got to make sure that bill gets paid.
	I'm exhausted.
	20 other people are calling me with things that they want.
	I'm going to get to it.
	It's just fucking grass.
	You know, in a man's mind, it's like, it's just socks.
	It's just grass.
	They're not trying to say, I don't love you.
	And if you can understand that and go, it's just grass.
	We'll get through the grass.
	I had this big aha moment with my husband years and years ago where we were fighting over something small and stupid.
	It was so small and stupid that I don't even remember what it is.
	And I just wouldn't drop it.
	I was probably on my period, to be perfectly honest.
	Because I only get like that when I'm, you know, that time of the month.
	And finally, he just looked at me and said, are you going to divorce me over this?
	Is it that important to you that you're going to divorce?
	Are you going to walk away and divorce me?
	And I went, no.
	And he was like, all right, then drop it.
	And I was really mad in the moment, but when I walked away and calmed down, I went, you know, he's right.
	Like, our marriage, our family together is way bigger than whatever this petty thing is, or even a bunch of petty things.
	And maybe I should try to be more understanding of where his mind has to be, what it takes to be a breadwinner and a provider, all of the things that he carries on his shoulders that we don't really think about.
	And I think women, we process everything through our own experience and our own feelings, and we personalize stuff so much that when men do little things like that, and I've just seen this happen to so many of my friends and family members, like a couple I know got divorced because and the woman said, he sets his coffee down on the counter every day and it drips and it leaves a ring.
	And I've told him a million times that that bugs me.
	And he just won't wipe the all he has to do is wipe the coffee.
	And that's how I know he doesn't care about me.
	Okay, but at the same time, you know what I mean?
	If she's the breadwinner, if he's the breadwinner and you're staying home, like you're cooking, you're cleaning, you're being the traditional wife, then like, I'm not going to lie, he's out there making all the money, paying all the bills, then like it's okay.
	You can pick up the socks.
	Like that's your job.
	You can wipe it out.
	And maybe you can't mow the lawn.
	And maybe if he's truly too busy or he just really hates mowing the lawn, maybe go to him and go, you know, would it make sense to pay somebody to come and mow the lawn?
	Can we afford that?
	Maybe that would be better.
	I just think we are, and I think it's a lot of cultural influence that tells us to constantly keep track of everything the man's not doing and every little infraction that he makes.
	Instead of being like really generous and going, you know, men have a lot on their plate.
	They don't cry about it.
	He's not going to come tell me all his problems.
	He's going to keep it in here and try to deal with it.
	So I don't know.
	People call it being an independent woman and they just call it being an adult and go about their lives.
	And I find it really interesting that as a majority, women obviously love testosterone when it comes to paying for things, providing, protecting, putting their life on the line in the bedroom.
	And I know that because even though the majority of the brainwashed feminists online say they hate being controlled by a man, statistically, what's funny is when they are alone in their rooms at night, the most viewed adult content topic is what?
	Being controlled by a man.
	So it's almost like they're denying their biology so hard and then when they're alone, it just comes out and they can't deny it.
	But it's kind of unfair that we're willing to enjoy the benefits of testosterone, but then unwilling to nurture it when it comes to us needing to be kind and understanding of those things.
	Like they are tenfold because our emotions are haywire, which we can admit through it seems like silly memes like, oh, I said that crazy thing on my period.
	But when I'm out of time, like, no, sorry about what I've heard in our president.
	Exactly.
	It's like, no, vote for her for president.
	It's okay if she bombs Texas when she's PMSing.
	Like, no.
	So none of that makes sense to me.
	And it's not hard to just wipe up the ring, call someone to mow the lawn or do it yourself.
	And just to be fair, though, our generation, we're about the same age.
	Our generation, especially the boomers, that everybody born between like 1960 and 1990, we had movies, TV, magazines, radio programs, everything in the media, everything in the pop culture was like men suck.
	Think of every sitcom.
	Homer Simpson, everybody loves Raymond.
	Like all the men are idiots.
	They're bumbling fools.
	And the wife's just like, this guy is so stupid.
	And I have to take care of everything.
	And he just wouldn't be able to live if I didn't do every little thing.
	What an idiot.
	And it's like we just really got bombarded with that propaganda.
	And I think it made all of us look at our relationships and constantly count everything that we think he should be doing that he's not doing or all the little ways that he didn't take into account our feelings or nurture our emotions or things like that.
	And the truth is like marriage is a lifelong commitment.
	You're going to have a lot of ups and downs.
	You're going to disappoint each other.
	You're going to say bad things to each other.
	You're going to get into bad habits that you got to break.
	And it takes, you know, wanting to work through that stuff.
	But I just feel like when I hear emotional abuse, more often than like real emotional abuse would be something like he wouldn't let me speak to my own children.
	He wouldn't let me leave the house and see my friends or like something major like that.
	Not like I told him to mow the lawn and he said he would do it tomorrow and then he didn't.
	So an example of something that would probably fit a little bit more with what you're saying is he liked to kind of buddy up with whoever my closest girlfriend was and like try and talk bad about me and like try to like you know well, that would be legitimate yeah, that would be legit.
	And then, because I told women, I don't think you should do that, I don't think you should get together with your friends and talk shit about your husband either with your partner.
Value Beyond Physical Appearance 00:04:52
	Stays with like if you have an argument yeah, you're not gonna go tell your friend what is wrong with you.
	It's it's not a relationship with you, your partner and your friend, it's between you and your partner.
	It's private.
	So then you're gonna bring in everybody loves Raymond.
	Raymond was horrible about using weaponized incompetence, about like I'm gonna just do this so badly that she doesn't ask me to do it, and it's like I mean, the show worked, it made you know.
	And then, and then as, as a mom, my job never ends like am I allowed to be?
	Like oh yeah, I've been playing with the kids all day, or I've been feeding them or, you know, do all the mom stuff and like hey, can I have a day off.
	Like, are you gonna like most most?
	No, moms get days off.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I had five, so if I only had one, that would seem like literally a vacation to me.
	I don't think that one would ever have given me, although actually, now that I think of it, having one is harder than having two or more, because when you only have one you're like their whole world, you're their only person you know, until they're much older.
	So it can be really tough up until they're like six or seven.
	But uh, I don't know.
	I just feel like what do you think it was worth it now?
	Like investing all that time and then just and getting divorced, and or do you wish you could go back now and do things differently?
	You know, having had a child with somebody else, my son's dad was definitely a much more hands-on dad.
	I don't have any complaints about his participation in, like the parenting aspect of it.
	That's good.
	You know, I felt like it was.
	I was his arm candy.
	Like he liked me because he thought I was hot.
	Like it's a big part of our value.
	That's fucked.
	I'm sorry.
	Like I don't know why.
	Women always, it's always like, oh, our values are our looks, it's always our looks.
	No, I know, but it's fucked that it is because like, we have so much more to offer.
	Then why are there so many people capitalizing on it?
	Because women suck if they choose to like what.
	I'm a mechanic bro, I fix.
	Wait, hold on.
	Let me just paint a picture of what you just said.
	I you said women have so much to offer.
	Yes, and I asked you, not in a dismissive Way, but I asked you in a asking for clarification way, I guess.
	I asked you what, and your first answer is my occupation, absolutely.
	Is that you're a mechanic.
	Absolutely.
	Why would a guy get away?
	Why the fuck?
	So, okay, is what is dating men who have like 10 cars that are old and they're all constantly breaking down?
	No, I'm saying like bringing value to society.
	We're talking generally.
	Yeah, like a marriage for your husband.
	Wasn't that the context of the I'm saying bringing value in general to the world?
	But wait, no, no, no.
	Hold on.
	No, no, no, because women's looks to the world, that's all the value we bring.
	Okay, I see.
	So you're not.
	It's like we're bearing children, we're looking hot.
	You know, it's like I'm saying, no, we have so much more to bring.
	Not, I mean, obviously, to relationships, do we have that step?
	Okay, I thought it was within the context of relationships, and I was like, no, I'm saying in general, like we have so much more to bring than just our tits and like our asses.
	And like, I don't know.
	I just feel like a lot of women are just.
	Your statement about the looks thing, that was within while women can bring their looks and that can be of value if you're a model or something, I guess.
	You were talking about relationships.
	I see it in a way I don't agree with that is unfortunately accurate and true to society where they are paying for OnlyFans.
	I mean, it's an obvious statistic that there are over 4 million girls doing OnlyFans, and there aren't anywhere near 4 million men doing OnlyFans because women wouldn't pay for that.
	They pay for smutty romance novels to secretly replace their husbands instead.
	So they go on to look for body parts and things like that.
	And that is why I think it's important in a relationship to like avoid the toxic side of that because it's like, hey, if I pick the person that I think is the best in every way, why am I going to go Google boobs when I have my favorite ones right here?
	And that's where like the value lies.
	But I think there's unfortunately a monetary value.
	And I know women know that with pink tax.
	And when feminism happened, even though women were given the right to, and I'm not saying all women, there are women in untraditional jobs, which is great.
	But most of them are choosing jobs in hair, makeup, fashion, things that have to do with the way they look.
	So it feels like women feel that way on a mass level, but don't really want to admit it because they want to find another reason to label something misogynistic, I think.
Finding Identity Outside Relationships 00:06:38
	It's firm.
	Okay.
	I've actually said a few times after going to beauty school that it kind of saved me.
	I was in a really low place before that.
	But everything that I learned in beauty school just really helped me have more of an identity too.
	Yeah, the whole I need to find myself.
	I don't have an identity.
	I don't get that.
	Maybe you can explain that because women say that all the time and that's a problem I've never had.
	I've always known who I am.
	I've always known what my identity is.
	I don't know how old were you when you got married?
	The first time I was 22, 23.
	Okay.
	I feel like, you know, I got married young.
	I hadn't developed a career of my own.
	I didn't do that.
	I followed my husband.
	I was like, I followed my ex-husband everywhere the Marine Corps sent him.
	So at that point in time, if I had met you, I would have said, my husband does this, my son is this age.
	I didn't really have something aside from I'm a mom.
	Yeah, but see, like, before that, like, growing up, I was known as the smart girl who was really good at art and music.
	I played like seven instruments.
	I painted.
	I drew.
	I had stuff that was in art galleries.
	I got ridiculously good grades without trying very hard.
	So that was like my identity.
	Then I became a mom and I was like, this is amazing.
	I want to do this as much as possible.
	And so now I'm all those things and I'm a mom.
	And then I got married and so now I'm all those things.
	Plus I'm a mom and I'm a wife and I'm a Christian, which is my primary identity over everything else that will never leave me my whole life.
	So I don't, I think when women say I didn't know who I was or I lost my identity when I had a kid or things like that, what they're really saying is like, I need to find something to do.
	I have too much time on my hands and I'm bored.
	To be honest, I think we psychologize everything and turn it everything into this like massive problem or crisis when it's not.
	It's like you have food, you have a roof over your head, you're not starving, you're not in pain, you don't have cancer, you're not dying, you're fine.
	You're like, if you don't know your identity, like get a hobby.
	I just, I think, I just, I don't get that.
	It drives me nuts.
	What's wrong with being a mom being such a large part of an identity?
	I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
	Like, hey, I take care of someone, but that's it.
	Like, I just don't understand.
	I just made this whole person and molded them from absolutely nothing.
	Who am I?
	I feel like right now as a 44-year-old, like, I love the I'm a mom identity.
	Like, I really, I feel like you're not.
	Do you think that you heard a lot of messaging telling you that being just a mom was like for lazy people or losers?
	Like, oh, you don't even have a career.
	Wow.
	Like, what do you do all day?
	There was definitely the aspect of like he was the one who was working.
	And like, I had been working before our son was born.
	And, you know, child care is so ridiculously expensive that often if a mom works, the majority of the money goes to childcare anyhow.
	So.
	Well, why do you think you needed a job?
	Like, how does it jump?
	I mean, that was like 20 years ago.
	Yeah, what do you think it was when you were in your 20s and you felt like I'm nobody because I don't have a job?
	I think had I been in a relationship that I felt I was happy in, I mean.
	But relationships aren't for making you happy.
	No, this is another thing.
	It's like, but you were looking to him for your identity?
	You were looking for the job.
	I don't know what I'm saying.
	I'm saying if you are in a relationship where you both are feeling fulfilled and, you know, supported and like you're happy, then you have a different mindset, I guess.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I guess I'm wondering, so like, because it sounds like you had the mindset that all of the pop culture tells women to have, you know, where you're constantly look, you're almost looking for the unhappiness.
	There's two major studies that have been done.
	One was at Cambridge.
	The other was, I think, University of Pennsylvania.
	Huge, sweeping, broad studies that lasted.
	The first one was like 10 years.
	The second one was about the same.
	And the first one they did mostly in the West.
	The second one, they did other cultures to see if they could duplicate the results.
	The first one was called The Paradox of Female Happiness.
	The second one, almost the same name, the Paradox of Women's Declining Happiness.
	And it's funny because in the intro where the authors break down their findings, they said, we have found overwhelmingly that everywhere in every time across time, regardless of race, culture, or financial situation, that women are unhappy.
	Women are just more affected by negative emotion.
	They are just more, they're more up and they're more down.
	We just do this a lot.
	And I think the worst advice we give young women is you should be happy.
	If you're not happy, there's something wrong.
	If you're not happy, you need a life change.
	You either need to switch a career or get a divorce or find a new man.
	It's like, you're going to be unhappy.
	And the only way you solve that is finding it like, you know, within you through God, understanding, you know, that simply the fact that you're alive is a miracle and that's enough.
	And that every single day you get to decide what you're going to do with your life that day and who you're going to be that day.
	And even when you're going through it and things are not good, you still have that power to make those decisions every day.
	But what the pop culture tells us is if you're unhappy, it's probably a man, first of all.
	Like Sabrina Carpenter and Taylor Swift would tell you they are useless.
	Or that you need, you know, a job.
	You have to have a career.
	You need to be fulfilled.
	And like, all those words are buzzwords that don't really mean anything at the end of the day.
	And I think it sounds to me like you got really hit with all that propaganda from our generation.
	I did too.
	I did too.
	I think we all did.
	There's probably a little bit of that too.
	But like, you know, there would be times where like he would like continue to go at me and go at me until like he got me to cry.
	And then like the next day he would always come back and be like, oh, I told myself I need to stop.
	But like there was just something in him that he wouldn't stop like getting upset with me until I was crying.
Opinions On Peaceful Protests 00:13:30
	Well, let's continue on with people's relationship status.
	What about, what about, really quick, actually, here, we got to.
	No, no, no.
	Hold on.
	Hide that.
	All right, guys.
	It's members only mode for the chat.
	There's 10,000 concurrent viewers right now.
	We need to get the likes.
	We're at 1,500 likes.
	We need to get the likes to 3,000.
	And then I will free the pores.
	I will free you.
	You guys, get us.
	So if you guys are watching, I need to see 3,000 likes on the video and we'll open it back up.
	Thank you guys.
	Okay, relationship status, please.
	I am in a relationship almost two years now, but the longest one I've had was three years.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm married to Jesus.
	Amen.
	Okay, so you're going to become a nun?
	Stay celibate?
	I'm just, I'm celibate.
	I'm, you know, fully focused on myself, my son.
	Okay, so you're single?
	Yes.
	Longest relationship?
	I think it was 10 or 11 years, my son's father.
	Were you married?
	No.
	Ever married?
	Nope.
	How long have you been single for?
	A while.
	A few years.
	Okay.
	And then also, in your introduction, you there was something you wanted to share about you.
	I did.
	That you wrote.
	Why don't you share that?
	What did I write?
	That you wrote.
	Oh, on IG?
	Is that what you're talking about?
	Yes.
	Oh.
	You want me to share that?
	Yes, please share it.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm a pardon J-Six, sir.
	Cool.
	So you stormed the Capitol.
	Allegedly.
	You may or may not have.
	Okay, cool.
	Pardons, though.
	Fist bump.
	Trump, do you have like a pardon from Trump?
	I do.
	I do.
	Is it like a piece of paper?
	So they actually, they sent digital because there were so many of us that got a pardon the same day.
	They sent digital copies.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	So an official U.S. pardon attorney sent me the.
	What compelled you to go riot at the Capitol?
	A lot.
	That was not a peaceful protest.
	You will never see.
	I've never, in my lifetime, I've never seen it.
	Where were the weapons?
	Where were the guns?
	You didn't see the video of the cop like getting shot.
	A riot is what happens when Black Lives Matter shows up and burns down the whole town.
	This was a bunch of people meandering through the Capitol.
	You know that there was FBI.
	The only person who got killed was one of the protests.
	Ashley Battle.
	They were chanting, Kill Nancy Pelosi, is that what they were saying?
	And didn't her husband's house get broken?
	Something like that happened.
	I remember that happened.
	You wanted those legs up, Brian.
	Yeah.
	You wanted those legs.
	Do you think you said you've never seen anything like that before?
	No.
	Did you participate?
	Have you participated in like No Kings or any protests or anything?
	I haven't been to any protest ever.
	You've never been to a protest?
	I've never been to a protest.
	No offense, you look like that.
	I can see that.
	I can see the protesting.
	I mean, I feel like going to a protest, like, yes, you can show this is what I stand for, this is what I support, whatever.
	But in reality, like being there, like, what is that going to do?
	Like, that literally doesn't do that.
	Yeah, you're just standing there in the street with signs.
	So, no BLM protests, no ICE.
	You were shaking your head.
	What about you?
	I've been to many protests and led protests as well.
	You've led on.
	How many protests?
	What's your goal?
	Well, it depends on.
	Okay, how recently have you participated in a protest?
	When was the probably the No Kings protest?
	Well, there was one just this weekend, but like a month ago.
	It was like a, it was like last year.
	Okay.
	It's so weird.
	You said that you've participated.
	You said that you've participated in many protests, going back to when?
	Ever since I was a kid.
	Like, like your parents you went to that?
	No.
	No, I've always been more active.
	Like, I've always been more of an activist than pretty much anyone in my family.
	Okay, for what?
	For what cause?
	I have the same question for the January 6th, though.
	What is the goal?
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	We're exploring her thing now.
	So, okay, what was the first protest you ever went to?
	And how young?
	The first protest I ever went to, I believe, was a women's march.
	Okay, so was this like Donald Trump?
	What about that?
	Me too.
	The women's march.
	Yeah, me too.
	Me too.
	Me too, yeah.
	Me too, Romans Country.
	Yep.
	Hold on.
	That's secondary.
	So, right back to this.
	Okay, but did you participate in BLM protests?
	Yes.
	ICE protests.
	Yes.
	I'm trying to think.
	March for Our Lives.
	Okay.
	So, like, all the George Floyd stuff.
	Yes.
	And you said not only did you participate, but you also organized or led?
	Yeah, through high school.
	So when you say led, what protests were you leading?
	There was a protest after there was a, am I allowed to say the word?
	After VPU shooting.
	Okay, after a shooting.
	No, no, no, no.
	Not after, not, no.
	But there was the Parkland.
	Parkland School.
	So shooting.
	Yeah, after the shooting.
	I led a protest.
	Against what?
	Like, I led it for gun laws.
	So.
	Okay.
	Yeah, stricter gun laws.
	Such as such as?
	Yeah, well, what gun laws did you want?
	Yeah, what did you want to do?
	Just to be a stricter system.
	I don't necessarily believe that people don't have the right to bear arms.
	I just.
	Here's a question.
	Should we ban semi-automatic rifles?
	Yes.
	Okay, what is a semi-automatic rifle?
	Or sorry, I shouldn't say, should we buy, excuse me, I misspoke.
	Should we ban semi-automatic firearms?
	I think that any weapon that can fire like 20 bullets within like.
	But I'm asking specifically semi-automatic firearms.
	I'm sorry, what's a semi-automatic firearm?
	You led a protest.
	Hold on, you led a protest.
	Okay, I was a, first of all, I was a, I was a kid during this time.
	I've been, I've done a lot of.
	So you were in high school at the time.
	Were you like a senior or junior?
	Oh, Brian.
	So, anyways, but okay, so would you like to see a ban on semi-automatic firearms?
	Is that like a AR-15?
	It can't, yes, it would include AR-15.
	Yes.
	A weapon like that.
	It would be a good idea.
	So a scary looking.
	Wait, so just to be clear, a scary-looking weapon.
	I think, I think, no, I think that, I don't know, I don't, I don't believe, I have family members that do own guns for safety.
	But, okay, so you do want to see semi-automatic firearms banned.
	What is a semi-automatic firearm?
	She doesn't know, Brian.
	She's just against the thing.
	She's just against the current.
	I'm against what can happen.
	I'm against what can happen.
	How do you know what can happen if you don't know what it is?
	Hold on.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
	Even people who are pro-Second Amendment, who conceivably, hey, who probably want looser gun restrictions, are also against bad things that can happen.
	Yeah.
	But so it seems like you should have a basic understanding of firearms if you're going to do anti-firearm advocacy.
	Okay, but to be fair, I mean, I haven't done any type of movement against firearms since I was very since I was younger.
	So I didn't know.
	It's true, like I didn't know at the time, but I haven't done any research.
	But at the time, you led the protest and you didn't know what a semi-automatic firearm is.
	Yeah, but it was more than just that.
	It was more, it was like there was more of a reason that I was doing that.
	Okay.
	Okay, so just to be, yeah, just to be clear, a semi-automatic firearm, so that would include an AR-15.
	Yes.
	It would also basically cover almost any pistol.
	Right.
	So semi-automatic means you pull the trigger, one bullet comes out.
	You pull it again, another bullet comes out.
	Okay.
	So you can, a big, long gun like a AR-15, that is semi-automatic, but also a little teeny carry pistol.
	Yeah.
	That is also a semi-automatic firearm.
	Okay.
	So you would be wanting to essentially ban almost all firearms.
	Okay, so I think.
	There's already laws against people owning automatic firearms.
	Okay, so that's probably, that's probably more so what I'm talking about.
	Okay, but that's been the case.
	That's already banned.
	Okay.
	That's already banned.
	So what specific gun restrictions?
	Oh, no.
	So my opinion is not really on type of gun restrictions as much, I guess.
	It's more so on the people that are able to get the guns or just background checks in general.
	Most of these shooters are typically, especially like school shooters, they're typically young with no criminal history.
	Yeah, I know.
	Because a lot of realities they don't buy it.
	They take it from someone else.
	Yeah, stricter gun laws will actually make it easier for criminals to get penalized.
	I can see your point.
	I can see your point on it would be more unsafe than safe.
	Yeah, I can see your point on that.
	I don't know.
	He just thinks it's like bad when people die and stuff, you know?
	I like to think it's bad.
	It's like so sad.
	I do find it.
	We shouldn't march about it.
	Yes, exactly.
	Yes, I mean, it is bad, but what are the solutions?
	Marching.
	Just being unemployed.
	Holding arms.
	No, I will say that, in my opinion.
	I won't say that this is always the case, but I do have my own opinions about just regular peaceful protests, about how much they actually do in terms of the final thing on the firearm thing here, really quick.
	So I think even if you were to outright ban firearm ownership entirely and you had police going door to door and fucking Gestapo, taking the guns, even if you did that in an effort to stop school shootings, for example, once somebody, like for example, you'd agree that various hardcore drugs are completely criminalized.
	They're completely illegal.
	People still manage to get their hands on them.
	If you've made a determination, you're that mentally ill, you're that dead set on being a piece of shit and murdering a bunch of people in the school, you're prepared to accept the crime of, or take on being charged with the crime of murder, mass murder, then you're prepared to take on the charge of illegally obtaining a firearm.
	That's like, so they've already made the determination.
	A lot of times they take themselves out too.
	So even if you were to pass a law that says, well, you can't own a firearm, they've already committed to doing something illegal.
	So they will illegally come into possession of a firearm.
	So banning firearms would not prevent these tragedies.
	I don't think firearms are necessarily like the only evil in the situation though.
	Like I think they're, well, like they're not the only, like it's not, it's not the firearm killing people.
	Like I'm not.
	So I so I do think that I do think it's people.
	So there's other things.
	Yeah, do you know the group of people who's been doing the most of that lately?
	There was recently a school shooting where I live at a high school in kind of a more rural area.
	And one of my friend's moms is the like bus driver and drives all the kids to school.
	And the kid before, it wasn't a school shooting, but he shot someone on school property.
	And before that happened, she had said there were so many signs that he was going to do something like that.
	And they tried to report it to, well, she tried to report it to like the staff and administration and nothing was done.
	And that was the outcome.
	But I don't think that had to do with the gun involved.
	I think that was poor, like people not helping in the situation that they could.
School Shootings And Gun Control 00:15:40
	Here, before we come back to the protest stuff, we were doing, I just want to finish up relationship status really quick.
	So single, I think, yeah, I asked you about January 6th, I guess.
	What about you?
	I am engaged.
	I am getting married in 10 days.
	Congratulations.
	He is a Navy veteran, and he owns an art gallery, and he is an avid Pokemon collector and seller.
	All right.
	How long have you been together?
	It's going to be three years in June.
	And longest relationship?
	Just under eight years.
	Got it.
	Married?
	Before?
	I haven't been married.
	Okay, no kids?
	No.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	I've been single for at least a year.
	All right.
	Longest relationship?
	A little over a year.
	A little over a year.
	Was that the one that ended a year ago?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And Rachel, what about you?
	I've been with Andrew for almost two decades now.
	I've been married a really long time.
	That's my longest relationship.
	Are you Andrew's wife?
	I just realized that.
	Yes, that is Rachel Wilson in the flesh.
	Okay, going back to the protest thing, what were the other ones that you were like the leader or organizer?
	I more so helped out with some other women's marches.
	That was like the main ones.
	Okay, and you did like some BLM stuff or whatever.
	Okay.
	I have a question.
	Yeah.
	Pro-life or pro-choice?
	Pro-choice.
	So babies don't count as.
	Okay.
	They're not babies, though.
	They are not.
	They're not babies.
	What are they?
	Absolutely.
	No, it isn't okay.
	Let's get into it.
	They're not babies.
	Let's save the abortion.
	We can do it, though.
	But I do want to finish off on some of the protest stuff.
	So, okay, the BLM stuff.
	I want to know about marching for women's rights.
	What rights are we marching for that we don't have?
	What rights are we missing exactly in this current day and age?
	I mean, the last time I went to a women's march was like a while ago.
	So you don't believe in that?
	No, no, I do.
	Okay, so what rights are we missing that we still need?
	It's more so how we're treating the society.
	Okay, tell me about that.
	I have something to add to that.
	I remember, I think it was 2016 when Trump said like grab her in the pussy or something like that.
	That led to a woman's march because he was going to be our president.
	Well, really quick on that, so even if you, and I think those comments, even as somebody who voted for Trump, I disagree with those comments.
	I think those comments are in bad taste.
	However, how would this actually somebody saying 20 years ago some private, offensive comments, as offensive as they may be, how would this actually be evidence of some sort of widespread discrimination that women face and warranting mass nationwide protests?
	Because I feel like a lot of people look up to our politicians.
	Like a lot of people really worship Trump.
	So when he's saying stuff like that and he's treating women like that, they're going to look at him and say, okay, I can treat women like this.
	I can talk to women like this.
	Didn't Trump say, hey, you know, wasn't Trump in the Epstein files?
	No.
	How would that be relevant to him?
	No, he absolutely wasn't.
	No, he wasn't.
	Tell me.
	I don't see how that's relevant.
	I'm going to.
	Come on.
	People look at me.
	You got to let me know.
	You just mentioned like, okay, first, let's go back to the grab them by the pussy.
	Are you saying that's not simply a fact?
	That there's a ton of women, a ton of women out there who will let any rich, high-status man do whatever they want.
	I don't think they were letting him, though.
	No.
	He said, okay, but it's not about what he did.
	It's about what he said.
	And what he said is, if you're super rich and famous, women will just let you grab them by the pussy.
	Yeah, why is that okay to say it?
	It's not.
	Why is it true?
	What's wrong about it?
	Tell me how it's wrong.
	Because if someone walked up to you, you walked outside right now and someone walked up to you and said, oh, I'm going to grab you by the pussy or grab to the business.
	That is no different.
	You are equivocating.
	That's not what I said.
	That's not what he said.
	What he said was, if you are a rich, famous, high-status man, a lot of women will just let you grab them right by the pussy.
	How's he wrong?
	It's that mindset.
	That's what I'm saying.
	But how's he wrong?
	That's what I'm saying.
	It's the mindset that is wrong that he is thinking about.
	It's not a mindset.
	It's true.
	Tell me how it's not true.
	That's not where you would take your mindset.
	Tell me how it's not true.
	It's a fact of life.
	Okay.
	Well, wait, what's a fact of life?
	Badly known.
	That a lot of women will let any very rich, famous, high-status man grab them by the pussy.
	That's a fact of society.
	Yes, that's a fact.
	The fact is that women chase high-status, very wealthy men, and that also generalizes all women.
	And that also is a matter of money.
	Exactly my point.
	That's exactly my point.
	A lot of women.
	A lot of women.
	How's he wrong?
	It's a completely accurate factual statement.
	You don't like it.
	You don't like how it makes you feel.
	You don't like how it sounds.
	It's icky.
	Fine.
	But is it wrong?
	I just don't understand how you as a woman are okay with hearing our president saying stuff like that.
	I'll tell you how.
	I'll tell you how because he said it in private.
	It was locker room talk between guys that happened way before he was president.
	And I know for a fact he's correct.
	There's a reason why groupies exist.
	There's a reason why you see girls that come on this podcast.
	There's a girl named Chloe who comes on all the time, throwing herself at SoundCloud rappers, trying to get their attention.
	Women throughout all of human history, tale as old as time, have thrown themselves at rich high-status men, especially if they're famous.
	It's just he's correct.
	So, no, it doesn't offend me.
	It's the truth.
	And he was pointing out more.
	Hold on.
	We have a TTS coming through, but we have something interesting that I want to bring up.
	The unlimited soldier donated $200.
	Thank you for the TTS.
	It makes complete sense that Chair 3 is a FinDom.
	She's clinically answered and couldn't do an actual job.
	Speaking of.
	A man with her brain would be destitute and homeless.
	Is this my conf check, check?
	Don't do that.
	But hey, unknown soldier, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Well, question for you.
	He did address you there.
	Do you have an issue?
	Because you were the one who went to the women's march protest.
	Do you have an issue with the statements that Donald Trump made?
	Yes.
	Okay, and you do, I don't know if you said this in your intro.
	You do FinDom.
	Yes.
	Did you say that in your mom?
	I do.
	You do FinDom.
	And this includes: so you make money bullying men.
	I do.
	So there's a bit of confusion here.
	Perhaps it's a bit contradictory.
	On one hand, you have a criticism of Donald Trump saying something in private, but you publicly have some perhaps objectionable things that you say about men.
	Yes.
	And I have some tweets I'd like to pull up right now.
	Oh, good.
	Okay, so what is it?
	FinDom is financial domination.
	So if you guys don't know what FinDom is, it's men who have weird fetishes where they want to be like dominated.
	They want to give chicks money.
	They're definitely mentally ill.
	There's something wrong with them.
	It is men who give girls money and expect nothing in return.
	It's to get humility.
	Hold on, but you also engage in actually, well, I have them in the notes, but first I want to show the tweets.
	Okay.
	And so I want to hear, I guess, from both of you.
	I just want to make sure that we're consistent in our application of principles.
	If it's wrong to have these, you know, certain views, then I want you both, I guess you have to admonish yourself, and you're going to have to make a criticism of her.
	Go ahead, pull the first one up.
	This one's not really that bad, but oh my God.
	Hello?
	Scuffed already?
	You scuffed it already.
	Where's it scuffed?
	You've gone F11 in OBS.
	Please fix.
	Okay.
	So, okay, this is just building a picture here.
	This one's not that bad.
	But you claim a simp bought you a car.
	Yes.
	Okay, so just to be clear, that's just establishing something.
	Tab over to the next one.
	You said men don't deserve women.
	Okay, so I guess that's because you date women, I guess.
	Yes.
	Okay, well, that's if men don't deserve women, I assume that means you think that the species should end.
	No, so I actually made that pose because I was just like thinking about like how pretty girls are.
	So I was just next, please.
	Yeah, I was just, I just, I just like shit post on can you read these for us?
	Just read them out.
	Sure.
	Not in your brain.
	I didn't.
	I did it.
	I was trying to make sure that was me because I have accounts that like pretend I don't.
	I don't need the explanation.
	Okay.
	Girls thought because it's so true.
	Women will take your heart out, crush it in front of you while smiling.
	I can't resist them, however.
	And I do not like men, yay, for me.
	You don't like men?
	No.
	And you mean in the general sense?
	Like you don't like men, not just from a romantic perspective.
	I don't.
	I don't like most men.
	Most men.
	Most men that I have personally met, I do not like.
	Okay, let me ask you some questions here.
	Do you think men suck?
	Yes.
	Do you think men are trash?
	Sometimes.
	Do you hate men?
	Sometimes.
	Sometimes.
	How often is sometimes?
	Most of the time.
	Most of the time.
	99% of the time.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And you're not exaggerating.
	Like, that's genuine.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	You genuinely hate men.
	Okay.
	Wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	A few more questions.
	If you could snap your fingers and all men disappeared, and let's say women, this wouldn't be the end of the human species.
	Let's say women could reproduce absent men.
	Do you take the trade?
	Yes.
	Oh, so you want to work on an oil rig?
	Hold on.
	Do you want to go weld underwater?
	No, I didn't say that I've personally.
	Dude, I'll do it with you.
	But like, you know, let's not get distracted.
	Let's not get distracted here.
	So what else?
	So, okay, you snap your fingers, all men disappeared.
	You take that trade.
	Yes.
	No, Don't walk it back.
	Okay, but that's your position.
	Hold on.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Do you think, hmm, what else would be inculpatory here?
	Okay, so you think men are trash, you think men suck, you hate men.
	That's probably good enough.
	What's the closest relationship?
	Please pull it up.
	And then read this.
	Is that four?
	Yeah.
	Okay, read it.
	I love lying to men about what I'm spending the money on that they're sending me.
	Just another way to mess with their brains.
	Okay, now look really quick.
	You're smiling.
	Because there's a certain.
	I didn't even realize I was smiling.
	That was so not intentional.
	But there's a certain term for this that is evading me right now.
	There's a certain joy or what's the term?
	Like when somebody is like feeling a degree, sadism, maybe?
	Satisfaction in somebody else's suffering.
	There is a certain reveling that some women do when men are painted in a bad way or men are aggressed upon by women.
	I just think it's funny when people post like that on social media because I like, it's just so it wasn't even the content of it.
	But stick with that.
	So it's funny when women say misandrous things about men publicly, which has which will have a tendency to influence other women, influence society.
	But a surreptitiously record, I guess it wasn't surreptitious because he was probably hot mic or whatever.
	A 20-year-old private audio recording between Donald Trump and this guy where he was just bantering with him and it was locker room talk.
	As objectionable as you might find it, I'm sure your jaw was agape in disgust when you heard that.
	But you hear her, as I was looking at you, as she was saying that she thinks men are trash.
	You're laughing now.
	Yes, I have something to say.
	I have something to say.
	So hold on.
	As she was saying, men are trash, men suck, she hoped she hates all men, and that she'd be fine with all men disappearing, which is genocide, I guess.
	You find this amusing.
	So how could you possibly tell me that you have any principles as it relates to Donald Trump's statements?
	And here you have a full-blown admitted misandrist, genocidal maniac, essentially.
	No, correct?
	Okay, I want her to correct me if I'm wrong, but she, for her job, this is all consent.
	Like, these men are consenting to be treated like this, and it's part of her persona online to be aggressive towards men.
	So the difference is consent in these situations.
	Oh, wait.
	Wait a minute.
	Because Donald Trump was saying they let you grab them by the pussy.
	They let you.
	He wasn't saying you do it against their will and you grape them.
	He said, hey, look, when you're rich and famous, these women will just let you do it.
	That's in the eye.
	They consent.
	How do you know the women aren't scared?
	How do you know the men she's talking to aren't mentally ill?
	How do you know they're not mentally ill?
	That's a completely different argument.
	Wait, Rachel, that's a fantastic point, by the way.
	That's the consent argument.
	Fantastic.
	I'm sensing something here, and I don't know if I want to say it yet or if I want to wait.
	Say it.
	I say, say it.
	I think that the reason you're so gleeful about her hatred of men is that you're not very successful with men.
	No.
	Or at least not the men you want.
	No, I have never had a problem getting with men.
	I have had a problem with men wanting to be with me in a relationship.
	Okay, my.
	They want to be in a relationship.
	I don't want to be in a relationship.
	But are they, are you one of the girls who's aiming at the guys who are like an 8, 9, 10, and then they sleep with you, but they don't want a commitment?
	But then the guys who are more on your level do want a commitment and you think they're icky.
	I also don't just sleep around.
	I don't just go out and just take someone new home every single night.
	Like, if I like someone, I'll sleep with them.
	But where does your hatred of men come from?
	Because I sure her name's Goddess Raven, so I already kind of know where that comes from.
	I have zero hatred towards men.
	I don't think as like, I don't think men are bad people at all.
	I don't think you can generalize them.
	Why do you think it's so funny to humiliate men?
	But when Trump says, hey, a lot of chicks like, you know, rich, famous dudes, they'll just let you grab them by the pussy.
	Why is that so offensive?
	You realize that's cognitive dissonance.
	It makes no sense.
	Like I said, consent.
	This is her persona.
	This is how she makes money.
	She's making money by consenting.
	Can mentally ill men consent?
	Can a mentally ill woman consent to being grabbed by the pussy?
	What do you think?
	No.
Generalizing Men Is Wrong 00:04:08
	Why wouldn't they assume that they're mentally ill?
	Not all of these men are mentally ill.
	And definitely not all the women who are groupies chasing after rock stars are mentally ill.
	They're just bimbos who want a rich, famous dude.
	Also, really quick, I think it's worth pointing out.
	She's on the podcast right now, and so you might be able to raise this defense as it relates to her FinDom, but she's not in FinDom mode.
	She made a genuine admission of thinking men are trash, men suck, she hates men, and she nuke them.
	Honestly, she will not nuke them.
	What if they're watching the podcast?
	Like, that's my argument.
	And either way, like, the men that are paying her know that that is her mind, even if that is truly her mindset.
	I think everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
	Like, why would you say that?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	So, are men entitled to misogynistic opinions?
	If they want, as long as they don't act on their opinions, they can think whatever they want.
	Donald Trump just was talking.
	No, but there's Epstein files.
	You guys say he's not.
	There's no nothing.
	You tell me.
	Tell me this.
	Because I've asked this question and Andrews asked this question.
	Not one of you TikTok brain liberals ever has an answer for it.
	Where in the Epstein files does it say that Donald Trump did anything to anyone?
	The fact that no one was on Epstein's Island just to hang out.
	Like they weren't even on the island.
	You don't know that.
	You heard.
	Here's what happened.
	Here's what happened, TikTok brain girl who needs to really like get her shit together.
	You heard some people say that.
	You said, I don't like him, so that must be true.
	And I'm going to repeat it as if it's a fact.
	And you shouldn't do that.
	That's bullshit.
	It's not just Trump to you.
	You don't have any evidence.
	Okay, give me some evidence that Donald Trump did anything to any underage people.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, I don't have any evidence of that.
	Exactly, so shut up.
	Shut up.
	Just stop.
	Just stop.
	We don't care about your faux outrage at this point anyway because you get all upset about Donald Trump making a locker room joke.
	But when she's sitting here saying this stuff about men, you're giggling.
	You think it's so funny.
	You're like, was she on an island with underage kids?
	Trump was never on the island.
	You don't know that he was there and you don't know there were underage kids.
	There are people in the files because they were just named in an email of something that had nothing to do with anything.
	You don't even know what you're talking about.
	I feel like I saw something.
	I feel like I saw something.
	I feel like I heard someone say something.
	You don't know what you're talking about.
	Shut up.
	Shut up.
	Stop talking.
	If you don't, because you don't know what you're talking about, you're ignorant.
	You're just talking out of your ass.
	I am talking out of my ass.
	Yeah, so shut up.
	Just shut up.
	He was there.
	Shut up.
	You don't know anything.
	shut up i don't understand this accusation that if somebody so that scene files encompass like for example he were he uh i i believe received an email from blizzard customer service because he was enrolled to play world of warcraft So does everyone who ever played World of Warcraft, do they have some sort of connection to Jeffrey Epstein because Blizzard technical support sent him an email?
	There are thousands of people.
	No, I can't remember.
	There are thousands of people in the files who were completely unrelated to Epstein.
	This is what you stupid liberals need to shut your mouths about because you're talking about stuff and damaging people's reputations.
	This is why they had to redact so much information because dummies like you are going to go, ooh, their names in the files.
	Oh my gosh, that means they're a PDF.
	No.
	If they redact.
	That is not how that works.
	It's thousands upon thousands of emails with thousands upon thousands of people's names in there.
	That does not mean that they were all PDFs on an island doing God knows what.
	100% because Michael Jackson was there rescuing kids.
	Justin Bieber was there against his will as a kid.
	The writer of The Simpsons was there for Intel.
	So like, I think your intention for protect the kids, I'm with you on that 100%.
	Now, when people were making these accusations about Trump, even though I am a supporter, if there's an accusation, I'm like, okay, where are the facts?
	I found pictures of a little girl with a blacked out square.
	And then I was like, oh, metadata removed that.
	Oh, it's his daughter, you weirdos.
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	Okay, next.
	And then I'd keep looking, and then I was like, oh, you know, he did have a moral slip-up.
	Hold on, but I'm not really interested in like diving deep into the files.
	Sorry.
	That's not material to the conversation, really.
	In any case, nobody tells us anything about it yet, anyway.
	Everybody's just playing junk together.
	We have Alucard.
	He says, Lexi swag.
	Okay.
	Thank you for that.
	Which one's Lexi?
	And that's me.
	Hi.
	Oh, hi.
	We have Harvey Danger.
	My wife is the breadwinner, a registered nurse who manages home health care.
	I have three kids with her and sends six months on the road building swimming pools.
	She's the backbone.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Harvey Danger.
	That came in a little while ago.
	Thank you for your super chat, Harvey.
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	The wife is the breadwinner.
	You build pools, though?
	There's money.
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	So I guess I want to finish off a bit on the protest stuff.
	Yeah.
	Still want to hear what women's rights were lacking.
	Yeah, that's a good one.
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	What was it?
	How we were saying that it's just the way that women are, like, it's accepted for them to be talked about and treated in society is not fair.
	I don't think it was about like rights as much as it was the conversation and the verbiage and stuff that's being used by these politicians people around women.
	But a lot of people use that same verbiage about men.
	So Sabrina Carpenter at her concert with thousands and thousands of people telling the crowd to cheer along with her and call men useless, stupid.
	You know, that whole thing, that's okay.
	I think that is so different than like being okay with like, I feel like women are, let me think of my words.
	Like when men are talking about like sexually assaulting women or like objectifying their bodies and stuff like that, I don't think that's a fair way to talk.
	But if they wanted to go and say like women suck, I hate women, that's one thing.
	But when it becomes something that could turn into a physical component, I think that's where like the line.
	Why is the premise though that this is within the context of non-consent?
	Because that's what I thought that at least I don't know much about any of the protests, but at least back in 2016 when there was that women's march, I thought that was because of Trump saying really quick.
	I have something on this.
	Nathan, can you pull up my personal Instagram, Brian Atlas?
	And then there's a post that I did.
	I think it's like either the most recent or the one below it.
	It's a woman wearing a t-shirt, Lily Reinhart.
	She has 24 million followers on Instagram.
	She's like a B-tier, C-tier actress.
	Do you have it, Nathan?
	On what?
	My ex, my personal ex.
	It should be, if you just scroll down, it should be like the most recent or second most recent post.
	I just want to get your guys' perspective on that.
	So click on the photo, actually.
	So she has a shirt that says, I support a man's right to shut the fuck up.
	And then I wrote, if a male actor wore a shirt like this about women, he'd be dropped by his agency, talent agency, and banished from Hollywood.
	Not to mention backlash from the public, journalists, media, et cetera.
	She's got 24 million followers on Instagram.
	She's not a nobody.
	So what do you think of her t-shirt, first of all?
	Is that wrong?
	I don't think it's wrong.
	I do agree.
	That's like if a man wore that shirt.
	Sorry, you.
	I don't, I think everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
	She can think whatever she wants, but I don't.
	Girls do it, it's cute.
	But when boys do it, it's gracy.
	That is what other people.
	If a man wore that shirt, I'd be like, damn, that's kind of crazy.
	But like society would probably be a lot more upset about that.
	But me personally, I'm not going to see a man wearing that shirt and throw an outrage about it.
	So what is it that men are doing to women that you think requires marching?
	I've never marched.
	Okay, what are you?
	What do you think men are doing to us that requires us marching in the streets?
	I feel like there's too many things to even name.
	I mean, one.
	Okay.
	List.
	Okay.
	List.
	There's comments about women 24-7.
	Okay, but women make comments about men 24-7.
	Okay, I would say then essay.
	Well, let's list it.
	So mean, so like misogynistic comments.
	Yes.
	Okay, so they're essay.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What else?
	Just feel like not just sexist comments, but sexual comments.
	Like very derogatory.
	Okay.
	Just like overly derogatory comments.
	But women do that too.
	Like a woman's very capable of essaying a man the same way a man can do that to a woman.
	I also best believe that.
	Let her finish.
	Let her finish.
	Go ahead.
	But you think women don't cow call either?
	I hang out with my girlfriends and I see a good-looking guy.
	I'm like, look at you know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	So girls do it too.
	Maybe men are more open and more doggish if you want to say that.
	And I can't agree to that, but everything you're stating goes both ways.
	Sounds like policing speech, is what I hear.
	I do agree that it goes both ways.
	I think there's just major differences.
	I think that men do it a lot more.
	Or is it just not as reported?
	No, men, but even in experiences.
	Because men don't speak up often, respecting the people.
	They don't speak up.
	Men are not going to go and report it if a woman.
	If a woman gives a man like a shoulder rub he didn't ask for, he's not going to go to HR and report it.
	I don't believe in that either.
	I do not think that, I do not think that a man should be touched in a way that he does not want to be touched.
	I do not think that consent goes both ways.
	I completely agree with that.
	Have you guys ever seen the, there's like a video compilation that's always circulating online of Justin Bieber when he was young, like before he turned 18.
	All the different actresses and people touching him, making sexual comments about him.
	Yeah, like it happens quite a bit to men too.
	And we just give women a pass on it.
	I feel like what's actually really interesting about that, Rachel, is that while they're, you know, and many of these clips have kind of resurfaced more recently, in the moment there was absolutely pretty much no backlash.
	But if you reverse the genders, if you do a gender swap, I mean, these people, if it was a man doing that to a young, a girl, career over.
	But there's really not, when you gender swap these situations, there's not the outrage, there's not the losing the job, there's not the getting dropped, dropped from talent agency thing.
	It's like acceptable to be anti-male or say negative things about men, et cetera, et cetera.
	So you can talk.
	So in your HR example with somebody in this shoulder rub.
	It depends on if she thinks he's attractive or not.
	If a woman that is creeped out by a guy because he's gross or a loser or unattractive to her, she's going to be like, oh, sexual harassment.
	But if it's somebody that she's like, ooh, let's go on a date, you know?
	Yeah, if it's the Marston he's rich and hot, she might let him grab her mother pussy even.
	Oh, we really quick, we do have a TTS coming in here.
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	The fact that a girl who does Findom as a job while talking about how she participates in protests is a vile irony.
	You're a monster and you're preying on vulnerable men who desperately need help.
	Quick, you have a response to that.
	And then we have one more chat coming in.
	How did they know he needs help?
	Like, why are they just assuming all of that?
	That's not normal.
	But it is very difficult.
	What do you think?
	It's a function.
	It's an addiction.
	It is like gambling or it's like addictive.
	Why is that hurting?
	It's a drug.
	Because she's enabling it.
	If a man was enabling that kind of sell, if a man had a girlfriend who was a little not all there upstairs, right?
	She has some mental problems.
	And he's, you know, telling her to pretend to be a dog and sleep in a dog bed at the end of the bed and telling her she's a coat rack and hanging her coats on him and his coats on her and things like that.
	You'd be outraged.
	You'd say he's abusing her.
	That's awful.
	I wouldn't say that.
	I think as long as it's two consenting adults, I don't think it's any different.
	I think someone's mental health, if they like, obviously if they have a mental health issue, family around them is going to know they're going to try and get help.
	That's not all normal.
	So if women consent to being treated badly by a man, that's where goal it is.
	Yeah, if they're saying, if they're sitting, like BDSM, if a woman's sitting there saying, I want you to like smack Shammy while we're having sex, that is consent and that's fine.
	I don't think there's any issue with that.
	As long as it's people have kings.
	People have kinks.
	Yeah.
	But are there ever instances where even if consent exists, does it go beyond consent?
	These people that are in these relationships like that that have like FinDom relationships or anything like that, they have safe words.
	Like there's a lot of communication.
	I've never been in one, never known anyone in one.
	from my understanding is there is consent and many conversations and safe words and it's just like i'd like to speak on that because i actually did fin dom for like three months and And I don't know your experience, but in my experience, it felt that I had to really discern things.
	And I ended up leaving because in every experience, it became unethical.
	And there were like men who would, hey, I'm going to give you my kids' graduation money.
	And other women online would accept that and think, well, that's my job and that's okay.
	But that's the responsibility of you as the business owner.
	Like if you go, like a lot of people don't like McDonald's because of how McDonald's, what they put in their food and all that.
	So in that same way, right, it is up to that business owner.
	Like you wouldn't go to McDonald's if you didn't think that their policies are great, you wouldn't go there, right?
	And they are feeding off sick people.
	Might I ask that you raise a good point.
	Might I ask, I guess the question was, does anything go beyond consent?
	So for example, even within the purview of BDSM, are there some acts that you feel like, even if you give consent and even if you are of sound mind, that that's too far?
	Like for example, sometimes there's instances where you'd agree that BDSM typically will involve, can involve physical pain.
	Yes.
	Now what about this, scars, something that will leave a scar?
	Can you consent to that?
	I think if you're a child, no, but if you're an adult and you're all that, yeah.
	Yes, we're talking about that.
	Yes, we're talking about adults.
	But so how far does that go though?
	So what if, okay, a scar, maybe not so bad.
	What about breaking a pinky bone?
	Can you consent to that?
	That that wouldn't, it would heal.
	I've never thought of it that really.
	But let's say a woman did have a kink where she wants just her pinky bone to be broken.
	Can she consent to that?
	I mean, I don't, I guess.
	I don't really know.
	I think so.
	I think she could consent to that.
	But let's help.
	How far can we go?
	The whole hand smashed with a hammer.
	Now, no, but she maybe she has it.
	It could cause permanent damage.
	Maybe not.
	But can she consent to it?
	I think, I mean, obviously, like I said, never been in a relationship like that.
	Never really put much mind to BDSM relationships.
	But I think if something is being done that could possibly cause irreparable damage, then that's where the line is.
	Well, what about a scar, though?
	I mean, but some people want to be cut.
	This is what I'm saying.
	That's not like a physical, like, that's not going to mess up their life if they have a scar on them.
	Like, if their hand's broken and they can't use their hand anymore, then that's going to mess up their life.
	Well, if she drains their wallets to the point where they have to go through bankruptcy proceedings, that could have long-standing financial consequences to them.
	I'm asking her, has that like ever happened?
	Like, do you know of anything?
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	Probably she hasn't.
	And she says that shit on her page.
	I know, but do you know of any scenarios where someone has gone into bankruptcy or has gone into something like that?
	the kink what was the example you gave where it was like they want to give the graduation money from their kids These men will go to the, like, it's an addiction.
	They will do absolutely everything and they won't.
	Some guys won't even eat.
	Oh, I'll just send you like my lunch dinner money.
	And I'm sure like you've had that.
	And that, I feel like, is your responsibility to see, like, you need help.
	Like, if somebody was going to, you know, you brought up the example of physical pain.
	Like, if somebody was like, hey, I'm going to, or I'm, I'm willing to be cut.
	Can you like cut me or break my pinky bone?
	I'd be like, let's send you to the doctor.
	Let's talk about that.
	Let's dive deeper into that.
	I have definitely denied requests.
	And also, I've definitely ignored a lot of messages.
	I do have to let this chat come through, but we'll come right back to it.
	We have Deserre.
	Thank you, Desiree Jorge.
	Let's cut through the nonsense.
	When a man does something bad, it's all men are bad.
	When a woman does something bad, it's woman empowerment and all good.
	This is actual hypocrisy on display.
	Yeah, and Rachel brought up something, Desiree Jorge, thank you for that.
	With Sabrina Carpenter, Rachel brought up that is a really good topic because it goes beyond just at the concert.
	She's got that, what's the title of the song?
	Man.
	Man-child.
	So yeah, she is alluding to men being stupid and useless and all this sort of thing.
	But even going a little bit deeper, in many of her music videos, not just that video, she like physically assaults and even kills men.
	And it is like getting to a deeper level of analysis where it's like she is kind of, I think there's a bit more depth there in terms of the misandrist messaging that you see.
	She dehumanizes men.
	What about on a very large scale to young girls who are really impressionable?
	Yeah, well, also, we'll get to that, but really quick with Sabrina Carpenter.
	Sabrina Carpenter also at an award ceremony, because I think, look, you're going to bring up rap.
	And I think in the artistic expression itself, I don't think you can, you can still make a criticism, but there's more leeway.
	But she was doing, well, hold on.
	Well, I think it's fair for both, in both directions, that in artistic expression, there's a bit more leeway given than like, but she was giving a speech at an award ceremony, and she said that the key essentially, I'm not verbatim here, the key to writing a hit song is you should call all men stupid in your song.
	That's basically what she said, right?
	She did, in fact, say that, but there's some surrounding context that's relevant.
	And it's like that's going a little further into like anti-male sentiment.
	But I'm just begging all the men on Sabrina Carpenter's tour who handle her stage, her lights, her audio, all of you men that put together her whole show.
	When she starts doing that song, just shut it all down.
	There you go.
	Just shut it all off and go, what now?
	Oh, all the men are useless and stupid, or would you like us to turn your concert back on?
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	That's his avatar.
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	Great on the stage.
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	Okay.
	Rights, women's rights.
	I think that's where we left off.
	So it's more just we don't like things that random dudes say about random women.
	Do we have anything more than that?
	Because that seems like a very.
	Something I would add to that is I feel like women also will put themselves into a position to seem like less than than men.
	Like there was a trend going around fairly recently that was like when I do good in the blue store, so I get to go to the pink store.
	Like women will intentionally make themselves look stupid in order to like appear cute to a man sometimes.
	And I don't feel like that's a like that's women taking ourselves back further in society.
	So it's not all just men.
	I feel like there's like there's that streamer cavicular or whatever and he just always has women surrounding him and like people are like oh like he shouldn't be treating the woman that way but it's also I feel like just as much on the women that are there and entertaining him that like they're sitting there doing the same thing.
	So would that apply to President Trump's comment that dates women should they're letting themselves in the position where they're letting that happen?
	They enthusiastically chase dudes who will why is it different?
	Because that's Trump because it's different.
	That is assault because it's assault.
	Our women are huddling.
	It's not assault as if you're letting them.
	You said it's based on consent.
	And that's something that I'm saying.
	Because the language he used is they will let you.
	So if he had said they don't want you to, but you can do it anyway, you might have a point.
	But we can only go off what he said.
	We can't speculate about anything else.
	All we can do is take the statement itself at face value and discuss that.
	You can't like leap to other things that you think might have been going on, but you really don't know.
	It's like.
	But okay, so your comment's fair.
	I'm still trying to figure out what unfair treatment or whatever.
	Women's rights go to a different country.
	What's worth getting in the street and marching and protesting about?
	Like, what are we lacking?
	I'm trying to figure that out.
	I feel like women are putting themselves into a position where they let me let me think.
	Let me think.
	Let me think of some of the things that I'm saying.
	Well, okay, Raven, you're a protest organizer.
	So and you seem like you've, if you're organizing protests, you must have thought about these issues to some degree.
	So like, what do you think is still going on in the world that women need to be out marching about it?
	I really think it's just how women are treated.
	I think it's the way everyone.
	one yes and i do i do agree that there are women who also do make that worse by making themselves like uh yeah i've saw okay but i I don't understand.
	Men can and do all the time get in trouble for saying anything to a woman at work that is off color, for saying anything online to a woman that's bad.
	Like, men get in trouble for that all the time.
	You don't have a problem with women talking about men like that.
	What's the difference?
	Women aren't act.
	You guys had said that men may not be coming forward about their sexual assault or something like that.
	But following what I assume most of you believe that men are physically stronger than women, if a woman comes on to a man and tries to sexually assault him, what's stopping him from just like pushing her off?
	What if it's a child?
	Well, what if they're in a row?
	We're not going to talk about children.
	We're always talking about adult relationships on the show.
	But okay, let me throw a statistic at you.
	Did you guys know that in all, if you take all the domestic violence cases that are non-reciprocal, meaning it's one party being aggressive and the other party is being the victim, that the aggressor is the woman 70% of the time?
	I still think that.
	Are you aware of that?
	I did not know that.
	Yeah.
	What do we do about that?
	Should the men march and demand that the women stop assaulting?
	Men could always march if they wanted to.
	I think everyone has a right to believe whatever they want.
	Well, you can believe whatever you want, but there's also facts.
	So like if 70% of non-reciprocally violent domestic violence cases are the woman aggressing against the man, like Taylor Frankie Paul, that's her name, right?
	The bachelorette that they just canceled her whole season because this video came out of her just attacking her ex-husband, throwing chairs at him, even with her daughter in the room, acting totally unhinged.
	I'm seeing a lot of that, and statistically, it's that 70% of the time.
	How many men are murderers, though?
	Like, look at that.
	Oh, that's another good question.
	But did you know that almost all the victims of the murder are men?
	No, that is so true.
	That's absolutely true.
	Think about like Ted Bund.
	Those men, there's like so many proliferations.
	There's very few of those, though.
	So if you take all murders, if you take all murders, yes, men are the most offenders when it comes to murder, but they're also the highest share of victims.
	Why does it matter?
	So men kill other men.
	Because we're talking about the difference.
	What do women need to march over?
	So if men were the primary murderers and 90% of their victims were women, you'd have something.
	But it's something like 90% of the victims are men.
	I just think everyone has the right to think what they want.
	And if they want to say that, if they want to go out on the street and protest and walk by and show their support and have a group of people showing that that's what they're saying.
	Yeah, you can go march in the street and say, I think Rice Krispies are better than Cocoa Puff.
	Yeah, that is fine.
	But I'm asking you guys, what do you mean what's the issue?
	I want it retarded to start talking.
	But why do you die?
	Why do you care about that?
	So I'm trying to see.
	I'm trying to see, why do I care?
	Because I want to know where all of your political outrage is coming from.
	I want to know where all your outrage against men is coming from.
	I've told you like three times.
	But I've proved to you that there's no water.
	Your statements don't carry any water.
	This delusion you have that men are constantly trying to victimize you and be bad to you is a figment of your imagination.
	It doesn't really exist.
	There's also differences between.
	Do you agree that there are objective facts?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	It's an objective fact that you have every right in this country legally that a man does and probably more.
	And it's an objective fact that you're not, at least I know of, any victim of some kind of overarching oppression by the patriarchy, correct?
	Or are you?
	And if you are, I want to know specifically what that is.
	Other than that, I just think some men somewhere say mean things about some women sometimes.
	It's more societal than it is political.
	I would say as a society, women are treated differently.
	I think as a society, women are very privileged over men.
	I think we're privileged, but I don't think we're privileged over men.
	Like, I feel like a woman should feel safe walking home at night alone.
	And I don't feel like that's always the case.
	Like, if you're in a city or something and a woman's trying to walk alone at night, I guarantee you she either has pepper spray, pognized, or something.
	Do you think that a man walking alone at night in the city always feels safe?
	Probably not, but I think a man's probably worried about being beat up.
	A woman's worried about being raped, tortured, kidnapped.
	And that's saying that can't happen to a man, but I am saying it's more likely to happen to a woman.
	Did you also know that if you factor in prison rape, men are actually a higher share of rape victims than women are?
	That's not like they're not in a race.
	I'm just saying there's a reason that the world is not fair and bad things happen.
	What I'm looking for is actual evidence that women are somehow uniquely oppressed as a group by men.
	I feel like the only reason I have.
	And if you start your statement with, I feel like, that's by definition not going to be factual.
	That's going to be just opinion.
	The only reason I have my opinion about the way women are being treated is because how I've been treated and how I've seen my friends be treated.
	I don't think that's a good idea.
	Okay, but that's an anecdote.
	That's not proved.
	Okay, but society has a problem.
	Okay, but the thing is, if all of these women are coming together to say, hey, I've personally dealt with these issues with men.
	I've felt, I've gotten SA'd by men.
	I've had this happen.
	I've been uncomfortable.
	Like all of these things.
	If there's tons of women coming together, then that kind of, there's a message there.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, if that's the case, then what if a bunch of Trump supporters come together on January 6th and say, we really feel like this election wasn't fair?
	I mean, it has to be proved that it's true because a whole bunch of people came together.
	Black people stormed the Capitol, they would have all been killed.
	Yeah.
	They would have all been killed.
	I guarantee you.
	Is that why nobody from BLM ranks?
	That is once again you making a totally insane, completely baseless assertion that you pulled out of thin air.
	Please, listen, I'm going to try to be nice, but I need you to focus and not just say like wildly crazy, totally baseless shit.
	I need you to try to live in reality and like come back to something that's true for you.
	Any of the people on JIT, I don't know much about that.
	Black people were allowed to riot in the streets and burn down entire cities for a whole summer and nobody went around mowing them down.
	It's a government building that they broke into.
	And I, like I said, I don't pay that much attention to the people.
	They have surrounded federal buildings.
	Yeah, you don't because you would know.
	They've surrounded federal buildings.
	That's a crazy person.
	They have surrounded federal buildings.
	They have infiltrated federal buildings.
	They have Portland, Seattle.
	My husband covers these all the time on his channel.
	Where did they?
	Of leftist protesters breaking into buildings.
	Like the ICE protests.
	Yes.
	Right now.
	They're right now.
	Are they in the buildings?
	In Portland, they broke in.
	The cops had to actually shelter and leave because they broke into the building, yes.
	What do you mean you don't know?
	Do you think I made that up?
	Do I not seem pretty well informed on my facts?
	You do, but you could also just be really confident in what you're saying.
	So I haven't seen any personal evidence.
	Okay.
	But I'm just saying.
	Brian can look it up if you'd like, but there's been several.
	They set up an autonomous zone in two different cities and took over multiple city blocks and nobody killed them.
	Nothing happened to them.
	And you probably think that's fine.
	So, again, please, let's get back to this.
	Show me any evidence of widespread oppression of women by men other than I just feel like women just feel unsafe.
	Okay, you feeling unsafe isn't proof of anything.
	I'm going off.
	You might feel unsafe and be perfectly safe.
	I look at.
	I can't do anything about your emotional stuff.
	I look at what I've gone through and what my friends have gone through and stuff that men have done to them.
	And I just think of like that can't, and it happens to everyone.
	That's why, like, those protests, those people that are out at those protests most likely have had something happen to them.
	And I feel like that gallery of people shows something.
	But that's anecdotal.
	And there's how many men do you think out there could talk about their experiences with women getting baby trapped by women, getting their kids taken and stolen from them in family court when they didn't do anything wrong?
	A woman cheating on them and leaving and taking the kids, a woman draining the bank account and taking off and leaving, women actually assaulting them and being domestic abusers, and they can't even get police or anybody to really take them seriously.
	Why aren't they just stopping them?
	And because what?
	I'll tell you why.
	What do you think happens if a?
	What do you think the risk is for a man if there's a woman that he lives with and she's getting drunk and throwing things at him and coming at him with sharp objects and things day after day, and he finally, in order to protect himself I know a guy that this happened to a woman, drunk woman coming at him with a chunk of glass and finally he threw her off of him.
	She went to the police and said he, he threw me against the wall.
	I have a bruise.
	He beat me up.
	The guy went to jail.
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	I would just love to see a statistic that says women are more prone like didn't you say that 70% of the cases are domestic violence?
	I would love to see.
	That father was stabbed by a woman and almost well, we can have Brian pull it up again.
	I mean, if you listen, I do this for a living.
	I don't say these things unless I know exactly where to pull the data from.
	I posted it to my ex, so if Brian wants to pull up my ex and FBI statistics, these are very easy things to look up.
	But yes, it's not scrubbers.
	Yeah, this is that's the way.
	This is the way the world is as like crappy, as shitty as that sounds.
	The world is the way that it is.
	I don't think that you have every right to do what you want, but I don't think protesting is going to change anything.
	I don't think that changing years ago.
	Okay, so the stuff I posted to X?
	No, the stuff I posted to X was much more recent.
	I think it's actually gotten worse since this, but I can't see it good enough to read it.
	Okay, if you go to my I don't know if you can dig it up in my X though, but yes it.
	I don't know why you're so doubtful of my statistics, but I just, I just very hard to believe why.
	Here's the reason.
	You want to know why and again, you're doing a woman thing.
	You're going.
	This is my experience, this is reality, this is my experience, and I'm telling you there's a whole world out there that is not your experience.
	I've had things happen to me that Most people never have happened to them.
	I don't assume that's everyone's universal experience.
	That's not very smart.
	I feel like I've heard more often than not in my personal life these experiences.
	What does that have to do with anything?
	I think you understand that your personal experience, let me just say this again.
	Your personal experience does not have any bearing on the population at large and what the statistics are.
	You understand that, right?
	I do completely understand that.
	And let's not talk about that.
	Okay.
	And then, like, in your personal experience, you should, in the moment, am I feeling this because society tells me I should, or is this something that, like, I've had experience with this?
	Like, I remember growing up, probably you've seen, you know, you're a woman on the elevator and a black man gets on and you hold your purse more tightly.
	Like, for a while, I was an Uber driver, and you know, I picked up some Muslim people at a mosque, and I'm like, if I was going by what the world says, I should feel like, oh my gosh, they're going to do something horrible to me because I'm not afraid of that.
	I'm not saying even that women shouldn't be cautious.
	I'm not saying that there aren't men that do bad things.
	I'm asking them specifically.
	It's a very specific question, and they've given me nothing.
	What rights do women not have?
	What evidence is there of widespread oppression of women by men?
	Like, how are you oppressed by men that you need to march in the streets?
	You just keep saying the same thing over and over again.
	And I've said, you know what a defeater is?
	So if you say, we're having a debate, you say something, I say something that cancels out your something and makes it null and void and kills your point.
	Then you have to.
	We were saying our point over and over and over again.
	But your point is just, I feel like.
	That's not evidence of anything.
	That's not a logical argument in favor of anything.
	It's not proof of anything.
	Like you, there has to be a good reason.
	Do you know what justification is?
	Absolutely.
	So if you believe something and you have a belief, you should have a good, justified reason to hold that belief.
	Otherwise, it could be a delusion.
	And we don't want to live and operate off of delusions.
	I think we'd all agree that's not smart.
	So we're trying to see if your feeling that women are still generally oppressed by men is accurate.
	So I'm asking for evidence of your claim that women are oppressed by men.
	I have no evidence.
	I have, I don't, I have never went to college.
	I'm just basing off.
	I also never went to college.
	But you, I do this for a living.
	I'm literally just some random person that works an everyday job.
	Well, I'm just the whole point of this show is to take normal average everyday women, which I was up until like, what, two years ago?
	So it's not like I've been famous in my whole life or something like that.
	And I'm still like a very D-tier internet niche celebrity.
	It's not that big.
	But the whole point is to talk to, I'm really not a big deal.
	No big deal.
	We're trying to talk to normal people, normal women, and explore their worldview and what they think and why they think it.
	And the rub with most women is the why they think it part.
	They're very sure what they think.
	They have very strong opinions.
	But when you say, why do you have that opinion?
	What's your justified, you know, what's your justification for holding that belief?
	They usually just kind of go, uh, or they give you reasons that are not rational or not logical or don't hold weight when you examine them.
	So that's one thing.
	I'm not sure example of women should like carry mace or whatnot if they're walking alone at night.
	And I said they might feel the need.
	Okay, but that would be more justified if you're walking in a place where like there is a lot of attacks on women.
	Like if there's not really, if that's not something, like I don't imagine this is a dangerous place here in Santa Barbara.
	Santa Barbara's relatively safe, but I mean, you know, actually the statistics show that actually men are more likely to be victim of violent crime.
	Yes, that's what I was saying.
	Yeah, I could see that.
	I could definitely see that because of just gay stuff.
	I think you were trying to get some more stuff out of the list of the rights that women supposedly.
	I'm still waiting for the rights that we need or evidence of the widespread oppression of women.
	Can I ask a question quickly?
	Can you give me an example of how you've been oppressed by a man specifically in your life?
	And why was it oppressing?
	Let me think.
	You should have a lot.
	You just told us your whole life experience.
	Very strong views on this.
	Life experience is just men endlessly oppressing you.
	And they're like, give us an example.
	You said your whole experience.
	You, everyone you know, just like your whole experience.
	You said a lot of your statements were based off of your experience as well as your friends, which means based off of your experience, what have you experienced?
	There we go.
	There's the source.
	2007.
	That is still almost 20 years ago.
	So I can give people more updated stats.
	Really quick on the date here.
	It would occur to me that society has been moving away from misogyny.
	So it almost seems like if the data 10, 20, 30 years ago indicated that the rates were like this then, I think my understanding is there's violence against women trending downwards, certain crimes trending downwards towards women.
	So even though the studies are from 10, 20, 30 years ago or whatever, I mean, 2007, that's about 20 years ago, I don't think that's actually contrary here.
	You know what else you guys should consider?
	The most violent domestic relationships are lesbian relationships.
	I have friends that are lesbians and I've seen that myself.
	Well, actually, that's a really good point you raise, Rachel.
	My understanding is when you look at not just lesbian relationships, but you compare homosexual versus heterosexual relationships, so including gay men, you have two men, and this, I assume your position is men violent.
	You have two men in a relationship.
	Those relationships, actually, interestingly enough, are the least violent when there's two men in the relationship.
	Then you have heterosexual relationships in the middle.
	And then the most violent relationships are when you have two women.
	How would you explain that?
	Well, I can explain it if they don't know.
	So women, there's a couple things going on.
	Men growing up have to do rough and tumble play with each other.
	They play sports.
	They play contact sports.
	They very quickly learn how easy it is to hurt somebody and that they're strong and that they can hurt somebody and that they've got to get that under control.
	Women don't really experience that as much.
	So that's one thing.
	The second thing is this is actually proof of women being so safe and comfortable with men that they feel totally safe attacking them in domestic situations.
	The woman is not really scared he's going to do anything back.
	She knows she's legally probably going to get away with it and that he really doesn't want to hurt her because he could.
	So women must feel very comfortable attacking men in romantic relationships if the rate is 70% of them of the aggressors are women.
	So I don't know if I buy this narrative that women are just so terrified of men because they're so violent towards us and they're just waiting for any chance to.
	That's not what I'm trying to say.
	I think everyone should not hate each other.
	No one should be shooting.
	I agree.
	I think we all agree.
	Violence bad.
	I don't think it matters who's like we changed your mind.
	No, no, we changed your mind.
	I never was on the standpoint of men are abusive.
	Men are bad.
	Yes, you were.
	I was on the standpoint of men are.
	I thought if you're saying that statistic is correct, which I'll believe you if that is, I'll look it up later when I'm home and see if there's anything more current.
	I'm just saying that like violence overall is bad.
	It doesn't matter.
	It's not for the restroom and I'm going to do it like this because you're walking it back right now.
	Yeah, yeah, I changed the angle.
	Doesn't matter.
	It doesn't matter who's committing the violence.
	Violence is bad.
	We need to stop hurting each other.
	Peace and love.
	Yeah.
	So I guess what were you trying to draw?
	Like, let's say that what if we were to grant some of your positions that men commit these crimes more often?
	What are we supposed to do with that?
	Well, this all originated from her protesting.
	And you guys were just saying, why are you protesting?
	What do you think you're going to get done?
	Why does it matter?
	So, why does what matter?
	Why does her doing what she wants with her free time matter to anybody else?
	And why if she is in the streets walking?
	How does that, what does that have to do with it?
	I mean, hold on.
	There's a couple different questions smuggled in there.
	But one, I think that, you know, oftentimes these left-wing protests or protests that originate from more like progressive, liberal, leftist positions, or I guess feminist positions, these are typically many times are violent.
	In any case, though, what are we supposed to draw from these assertions about men?
	Draw from the assertions about men.
	Well, I don't know.
	To ask you a question, would you be okay?
	So, is this the framework?
	Men commit these crimes disproportionately.
	Women are the victims disproportionately.
	Therefore, we need mass nationwide protests against men?
	You know, I think all that matters is it's a demonstration of people coming together to show what they support.
	Like the ICE protests, the no kings protests, that is showing that our country is not okay with what's happening.
	And I think, though, what is the thing that is happening that is not okay?
	ICE supporting undocumented immigrants and then even documented immigrants deporting them and tearing families away.
	That is not okay.
	Hold on, we can.
	That's a separate thing.
	I'd love to get into it, but let's stick to the man component.
	I don't know.
	I can't.
	You answer then.
	We really have to keep talking about men.
	Okay.
	It's pertinent.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	What was your question?
	What are you trying to get at by participating?
	What are you trying to achieve?
	What are you trying to communicate about men, about women?
	What are you trying to say?
	When I'm protesting.
	Are men bad?
	What are you trying to do?
	While protesting?
	Like, why do I take to the streets and protest?
	In general, you.
	Yeah, sure.
	I protest for things that I've personally been through, things my friends have been through.
	It's kind of, it's empowering.
	I've had friends, like when I organized a protest before, I've had friends literally tell me that they felt so empowered they'd never done something like that.
	So it's not always about just, you know, oh, this protest is going to change something that I want to change.
	It's also to say, hey, I believe this thing.
	And I think that everyone's going to be.
	Tell me what you believe.
	I believe in women's rights.
	I believe that women should not be women's rights.
	Women should not be what?
	Treated unfairly.
	Treated unfairly.
	Talked about the way they're talking about it.
	Talked about the way they're talked about it.
	Talked about the demeaning women's mindset.
	Even though women mistreat men, even though women talk poorly about the people.
	They can go protest if they want to.
	They can absolutely do that.
	We're not saying they can't.
	Just because the women are doing it doesn't mean that men are not.
	That's fine.
	Can I ask you a question, though?
	Is, hmm, let me think about this.
	I want to.
	Really quick, we haven't done this segment in a while, but I think it's relevant.
	Would you rather cross, and I'm going to tie it all together.
	Would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike?
	Well, I wouldn't want to come press with the bear.
	Okay.
	That would be my life at stake there.
	And yeah, so I definitely would never.
	I'd rather have a man.
	Let's get the answers, please.
	I would rather have a bear.
	Bear?
	That's crazy.
	Depends on the type of bear.
	Black bear, bear.
	It's a random man or a random bear.
	Random bear.
	What's wrong with you?
	Random man.
	What would I rather?
	Man.
	Yeah, I'm going around the table a lot.
	A man.
	What about you?
	A man.
	A man.
	Okay, so bear, bear.
	Why do you pick bear?
	Why don't you pick men?
	This is my thought process in that question is that assuming the bear is aggressive, so that would assume that the man is also aggressive, right?
	Is that the situation, or are we just doing random man?
	Hold on, random.
	So it's assuming the myriad and varied ways in which a bear or a man encounter could go.
	So you would agree that you could encounter a bear, nothing could happen.
	You can encounter a bear, it eats you to death.
	You can encounter a man, nothing happens.
	You can encounter a man, he could punch you, you could encounter a man, he could torture you and do all kinds of terrible things.
	It's just like that.
	I don't care if I see a man or a bear.
	I've been hiking and I've seen both men and both bears.
Bear Vs Man Hypothetical Debate 00:13:41
	But if it's in the situation where I'm assuming they're both hostile and aggressive and want to hurt me, I would.
	But that's not granted in the question.
	You're more likely to walk away from a man attacking you than a bear attacking you.
	Maybe she doesn't think that's a good idea.
	No, but I've seen bears.
	They've never attacked me.
	I've hiked in Tahoe.
	I've been my grandma has a cabin in Tahoe.
	There's bears outside.
	Never been attacked by a man or a bear on a hike.
	I've known as many men without being antiquarian.
	What's your answer?
	What's your answer?
	Bear.
	And my answer is that because let's just say that the bear was violent and literally, you know, ended my life.
	And let's say the man happened to be violent and ended my life.
	I would be more scared about what a man would do, regardless of just ending my life, what else he might do versus the bear.
	But at least the bear is going to be a little bit more.
	No, no, I'm saying that if I'm assuming that the man does end my life, the bear ends my life, I would rather have it done by a bear because at least that I have the expectation that that bear is the bear, how the bear is going to kill me, end my life.
	Okay, but this sort of smuggles in an assumption that in both instances you will be attacked.
	You also have to do an analysis of the likelihood of an attack.
	Yes, so but when this started being talked about on social media, a lot of the reason that the women, that women were talking about this is because of the point that I'm saying right now.
	Not just, oh, men are more likely to attack you than a bear or any of that.
	It was more so that women were scared about what a man, what an aggressive man might do versus an aggressive bear.
	Sure.
	Because I think the question shouldn't have been ended.
	What's that?
	You're leaving it with too many hypotheticals.
	Like if I, like I said, I've seen a man and a bear, neither of which have attacked me on like a bad thing.
	Built into that, you can, so okay, even if you don't make a hypothetical granting of the nature of the person, so it's just left up to could an attack happen by the man?
	Could an attack happen by the bear?
	It could be yes or no in both instances.
	If either of them could hypothetically attack me, I hypothetically.
	But here's where we're going.
	Yeah.
	Get the Discord going in the resources.
	There's a bear segment.
	I want you to get that ready to go in just a moment.
	I want to ref if I were to reframe the question, and maybe this might help.
	So I guess a couple clarifying questions.
	Is it okay for women, because of their own experiences, to choose bear over men?
	Like everyone can have their own opinion.
	They would rather, I mean, that doesn't have anything to do with me, but I think if they want to choose a bear over a man, if they have the reason to do that, whatever you guys are saying, I was reading the comments.
	Yeah, don't read those.
	Focus on the conversation.
	Okay, what was the question?
	Are you serious?
	Yes.
	Is it okay for men because of their own experiences to choose bear over men?
	Okay, for women?
	Okay, for women or men?
	I'm sorry.
	Is it okay for women because of their own experiences to choose bear over men?
	Yes, it is.
	Is it okay for, actually, wait, do I, is it okay because women have seen crime statistics that indicate that men perpetrate crimes more frequently than women for women to have a justified or even unjustified fear of men?
	If they're afraid of men.
	Yeah, if someone is afraid of someone, they're afraid of someone.
	Is that okay?
	Okay.
	I mean, a man can be afraid of a woman, too.
	Sure.
	Yeah, yeah, sure.
	You guys so heavily, but it goes both ways, and that's what we're saying.
	Chill out.
	Let me get through it.
	Hold on.
	I lost my train of thought when you were prattling.
	What was the other one?
	Oh, if a woman, say she hasn't had her own experiences of violence, but she's been exposed to many, many TikTok videos or media pieces or news reportings of men who have attacked women, that even if she hasn't had her own first-hand experience, that this would then create justification for her picking the bear over a man.
	If that's how she feels, yes.
	She can never.
	Now let me change the hypothetical and you tell me if you find it objectionable now.
	A white person was victimized once or twice or three times by a black person.
	They now pick, when presented the same question, you replace man in this situation and you replace it with black person and this person's white.
	Would you find it racist if somebody were to want to be confronted by a bear over a, well not confronted, encounter a bear over a black person?
	I think racism stems from like an inherent hate for a certain race.
	I don't think you can like, I don't think it's a matter of being.
	Could you, wait, can you inherently hate a gender?
	Yes, absolutely.
	I don't hate men at all.
	I've never once said that I hate men, but I'm saying I hate-you said something about racism.
	I didn't say anything about racism.
	But that's basically what you're implying, because you're saying they saw him three times to be afraid of a black man.
	What do you mean you ain't?
	Wait, so is it sexist to be afraid of a man?
	And I didn't say black man, I said black person.
	I think as long, like, I see sexism as someone who like has a deep hatred towards one gender and they act upon those beliefs.
	As long as they're just thinking it and they're not doing anything, why does it matter what they're doing?
	So is it sexist for women to pick bear?
	Sex for women to pick bear.
	I think it depends on the reasoning for picking bear and it depends on the way they're thinking of the question.
	Of the three things I gave.
	So either they had first-hand bad experience with a man, they are aware of crime statistics that indicate that men commit crimes more frequently than women.
	Granting that, I guess.
	And then third, they see like news and media and TikToks about how bad men are, but they haven't had a bad experience themselves.
	I don't think it's, I think that is sexist to just assume because it's a man that they're going to do something bad.
	But I feel like you can read someone's body language too, like if they're staring at you a certain way or something like that, then that's one thing.
	But I do think it is sexist to just assume to choose bear because I think that is sexist, but Most people think of that question.
	They are assuming both of the parts of the world.
	No, no, no.
	I don't think they're assuming.
	They absolutely are.
	They're not assuming that in both instances they will be attacked.
	It's not granted in the hypothetical.
	That's the way I've always thought about it.
	Yes, that is the way that it was intended.
	Okay, well, then let me change the hypothetical then.
	Would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike?
	And in this hypothetical, there's not a granting of in both instances you will be attacked.
	You don't know.
	Okay, but this was not the argument on social media.
	This wasn't why.
	It actually was.
	That was not what they're doing.
	No, because you can't really think of it.
	The point of the hypothetical, the whole point of the man versus bear question is to assess: do women have a realistic risk assessment when it comes to men and their aggressiveness.
	So, like, if you, and here's the reason why.
	Usually, the follow-up to this question is: we got, and women will say what you said: well, the bear's not going to grape me, but the man might, and so I'd rather get eaten by the bear.
	Okay, and then we go around the table and say, What percentage of men do you think would do that to you if they could get away with it?
	And maybe we should just ask that because some of the answers are wild.
	Like, what do you, what percentage of men on average do you think would grape you if they thought they could get away with it?
	If they could get away with it, maybe 20%.
	I'm gonna say like five to fifteen.
	Okay, um, we've had girls say like 80%.
	Yeah, that's it.
	That's bear.
	But I mean, all of the men in my life.
	Hold on, but I do want to go back to but do you think it's okay if a woman picks bear?
	She can pick whatever she wants.
	You're fine with it?
	You're fine with it?
	Okay, is it okay for a white person to pick bear over black person or for a white person?
	For a woman to pick bear?
	Yeah, for a while.
	I think white person.
	I think of a white person, black person.
	A white person picks bear over black person.
	I think either way.
	You would have to agree.
	I feel like the way I've always thought of that question is that both, like I've said this already, but both of them are.
	Before you give your explanation, answer my question.
	I don't think if you're asking if it's okay, I'd not mean, not me personally, they can think whatever they want.
	I'm not going to, this hypothetical person hypothetically.
	People can if I can think whatever they want, but the question: would you object to their line of thinking?
	I would have to be at that stage.
	Do you object to racism?
	I do object to racism.
	Absolutely, but I don't think that's racism.
	You don't think it'd be a little racist?
	I mean, that is, yeah, that's right.
	No, you're right.
	You're right.
	You're absolutely right.
	You're absolutely right.
	That is racist, but also, like, that's like everyone has a different trait of heart.
	Like, you guys are just all hypothetical.
	Like, you're not getting anything.
	What do you think?
	Would you object to a white person picking bear over black person?
	I can't really object to something that's going on in their own mind, their own feelings.
	How can I object to that?
	You can definitely object.
	I mean, you object to how men feel.
	No, I'm not women or what happens when they're not.
	They all have a right to feel how they want to feel.
	They don't know what they're saying.
	Feel inside and not feel like you feel outside inside.
	You don't object to people having thoughts that's useless in a conversation that's trying to explore whether something is right or wrong.
	I mean, I feel like if I put myself in that situation, I saw three black people and they did something bad to me, they attacked me or something like that.
	And then I saw another black person.
	You're adding a bunch of stuff.
	I know, I would say, I can't.
	I feel shoes.
	I don't color people.
	You do a lot of this and not a lot of this.
	Listening to the moment.
	So let me help you.
	You gotta let me help you.
	The point of the hypothetical, the reason there's not all these details is to see what your assumptions are.
	But these aren't that.
	And to test.
	Yes, it is.
	So it's there to test where does your brain go?
	What are your assumptions you're going to make?
	And then what is the logic behind why you're thinking that?
	That's the point of the hypothetical.
	If we load it with a bunch of specifics, it's no longer serving the purpose.
	I just feel like it has to be specific in order to be accurate.
	What?
	So it isn't specific.
	Here, let me change.
	Here, can I ask you to say that?
	That's the point of a hypothetical.
	That's the whole point of it.
	Okay.
	Do you think it's wrong for women to, if say it's at night or whatever, and they're walking down the street and they see three men, is it wrong for the women to cross the street?
	Absolutely not.
	Okay.
	If a white person sees a group of black people, is it wrong for them to cross the street?
	I don't think it's.
	I don't think it's wrong.
	I don't, I think that's that's racist.
	That is racist.
	I will admit that is racist.
	But if they, and they're like, I wouldn't do that.
	But if that person feels very threatened by black people, then they could cross the street.
	That's like, they can do whatever they want.
	Okay, but I like you're not asking me personally what I would do.
	Like, that's the difference.
	She's looping.
	She's just looping.
	But so.
	I don't know what you're going to say.
	But so.
	Hold on.
	And what about you?
	I the first question was: can people cross the street?
	Can a woman cross the street?
	If she sees three men.
	Yes.
	Is it fine from your perspective for her to cross the street?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Is it sexist if she does it?
	Is she a sexist?
	That's an exist thought though.
	Okay, cool.
	If a white person sees a group of three black people, not specifying their gender even, is it racist if they're like three black people, I'm crossing the street?
	That is definitely a racist thought.
	Yeah.
	In most cases, I believe so.
	And is racism bad?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Is sexism bad?
	Yes.
	Well, yes.
	Wait.
	Is sexism only bad when men do it to women?
	No.
	No, I mean, can women even be sexist?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Women can be sexist, but well, Raven, actually, on the questionnaire, you indicated women can't be sexist towards men, and you agree with that statement.
	Yeah, so I was kind of like going through it, and I was like, technically, yes, women can say sexist things or do sexist things towards men.
	I just don't think that it equates to the same level.
	How so?
	Because men have always been in positions of power.
	Men have always like, yeah.
	What about now, though?
	How would that matter?
	I guess.
	I mean, then I'm going to get into something that's going to be a whole different topic.
Defining Sexism And Consciousness 00:04:50
	Which is what?
	I mean, the reason why the president, like, the reason why the president is who the president is right now.
	I mean, that's.
	So you think everyone Harris didn't get elected because she's a woman?
	Yes, because she's a woman of color.
	I know.
	I know.
	Yes.
	No.
	Okay.
	Do you have any evidence to support that?
	Do you guys think Michelle Obama's transgender too?
	Are you guys those people?
	I don't think that, but I don't see how that's relevant.
	I was just going to say.
	Do you know on pan how many women voted for Trump?
	I don't.
	I have no idea.
	Probably a majority sense on that.
	A majority of female voters voted for Trump.
	Yes, and it's very unfortunate.
	But I'm not surprised by it.
	I mean, Roe v. Wade is a little bit more than a hundred.
	Isn't Posse Wade is being overturned?
	How can we do that?
	Yes, that's awesome.
	That's amazing.
	No, it means that we're not murdering babies in record numbers.
	Just think of a baby.
	Yes, babies.
	Okay, what are they?
	They are fetuses.
	Okay.
	You don't want to get pregnant.
	Wait, let me walk them down the logic.
	Wait, Let me walk them down the logic tree.
	Is a fetus a human?
	No.
	Oh, what is it?
	A fetus.
	A human fetus.
	You know that fetus just tells you gestational age and that the species is human.
	It's a Homo sapiens, right?
	If it's not human, what the fuck is it?
	You're not going to change my belief on that.
	I'm not trying to change your belief.
	I'm trying to walk down the logic tree and see where you get the belief.
	So if it's not a human, what is it?
	A fetus.
	A human fetus or like a dog fetus or a pig fetus?
	A human fetus.
	Okay.
	If it's a human fetus and you abort it, you're killing a human fetus.
	It's not alive yet.
	What do you mean it's not alive yet?
	If it's not alive, how can you get it?
	Why do you have to kill it?
	Do any of you?
	If it's not alive, you can literally hear the heart beat.
	It is alive.
	Okay.
	It doesn't even.
	Biologists agree, okay?
	Don't deny science now.
	Biologists agree that it's alive.
	You just think it's not a person, right?
	She said it's not human, which is wild.
	I did not say it's not human beings.
	You said it's not human like three times.
	Okay, well then I finally got you to admit it.
	It's not a human being.
	It's not a living being.
	It's a human being.
	It's not a conscious person.
	No, here's your own position.
	You don't even feel it.
	They don't even know their own position.
	What smart leftists say, not you people, but smart leftists say it doesn't have personhood.
	It's human.
	It's alive.
	But we don't consider it a person yet.
	We don't exactly know at what point we do consider it a person or it needs to have consciousness.
	There's usually like a cutoff point in some kind of consciousness or personhood argument.
	You guys aren't even smart enough to come up with that.
	So why, how on earth did you come up with this idea that you're not killing a human being that is alive?
	I think it's funny that conservatives like to attack other people's like character or smarts when it comes to things like this.
	I think it's funny because you don't really see it.
	I think it's funny that you believe in stuff that you don't even know what you're talking about and that you can't explain when you're asking that.
	I don't think we're going to be able to do that.
	If you believe murder is wrong, then you're killing a human being.
	I'm going to say you're not allowed to do that.
	It's not up to your opinion.
	Abortion isn't murder, though.
	Tell me how.
	Absolutely.
	Tell me how.
	If a woman was murdered while she's pregnant, I'll tell you how it's murder.
	It's murder because it's a human being who is alive.
	Why do you think consciousness begins?
	It doesn't matter to me where consciousness begins.
	Okay, fine.
	If there's a person, they're 22 years old and they have a debilitative disease and they don't have consciousness anymore.
	Is it okay for you to kill them?
	If someone's brain dead, yeah.
	Oh, you can just walk into the hospital and kill them?
	If someone is brain dead, don't they give?
	I don't know much about it, but don't they give you the option to whatever spicy is a vegetable?
	They're not brain dead, but they're not conscious.
	They're in a coma.
	Well, I would say that's not conscious.
	Like they don't have a bad idea.
	I think if they were brain considerations.
	So let's follow the logic.
	You think that if somebody is not conscious, it's okay to kill them.
	So if Brian has too much to drink tonight and he passes out on the couch, you can kill him because he's not conscious.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	Okay.
	So it's got to be something else.
	So what makes it okay to kill a human fetus?
	Because it is not a conscious being.
	It is a fetus.
	Do you know the definition?
	Hold on, I do got to move on.
	We can come back to abortion later.
	Thank you, man.
	At the end of the day, you can trust a bear to be a bear, but can't trust a human man to be humane.
Killing The Unconscious Question 00:05:40
	We cannot support this delusion anymore.
	How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
	For you two.
	How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
	I didn't have breakfast this morning.
	I didn't have best.
	Oh my God.
	Failed.
	Wait, what is the question?
	Failed the breakfast.
	I totally failed it.
	At the end of the day, you could trust the pair of pairs.
	Thank you, bass Thor, Desert Jorge.
	Talking about brain dead.
	Holy cow.
	Are you going to call Phoenix Brain?
	Displaying clinical cognitive dissonance in front of a live audience.
	Brixon, it's time for the asteroid.
	Oh, I'll send the asteroid.
	It's been a while since we've done that.
	Sending the asteroid, sending the asteroid, coming here.
	By the way, we have other options.
	If you want to send one in, or say, I have funny missile, split missile, and I think I have a nuke I can also send.
	This one's crazy.
	This is definitely not my girlfriend, but Brian's girlfriend, baby, I'm already tired of listening to the inane, mindless.
	Who's this in Discord?
	Mindless drivel from chair two and three.
	Come home so my wizard sleeves can cast grip 10 and thrust seven on you.
	Okay, that's crazy.
	Hashtag beer.
	Your girlfriend's wild.
	That is insane.
	Definitely not.
	That's probably a dude who sent that.
	Cowboy Larry, imagine you flip this around.
	In this day and time, men would rather encounter the bear than women only because of the possibility of false accusations and being a creep.
	That's totally fine.
	Thank you, Cowboy Larry.
	Thank you for super chat.
	Mr. Northumberland, racism is treating or viewing an individual or group of individuals negatively solely based on their race or sex for sexism, regardless of context or circumstance.
	Power and privilege are relevant.
	It's like saying only people in power can hate.
	That makes no sense because you were saying that when women do sexism, it's not as bad as when men do sexism.
	It's not as severe because of historical power imbalances and blah, Yes.
	So can I ask you a question?
	How does the intersection of like socioeconomic or socioeconomics or class factor into this?
	So like, could a really wealthy woman who like sees a homeless man be like, say some like really sexist shit to him?
	And that's more severe than like a broke guy calling Taylor Swift a slut.
	Because you would you say it's sexist to just like call women sluts just cuz?
	Yes.
	But what if it's a broke guy calling Taylor Swift a slut?
	So power dynamics come into play there using your like backwards definition of it.
	I think it's I mean no.
	That's yeah, that's like a good point with like the power dynamic thing.
	Yeah.
	FinDom has all some power dynamics going on.
	Ooh, that's a good point.
	Yeah, you that's like your whole basis of here.
	We have another TTS coming in from base Justin.
	Thank you, man.
	Bass, Justin donated $200.
	I for one would love to watch each and every one of these tweets spawn next to an ursidity.
	Yes, please.
	Let the healing begin.
	Reveal the 19th and make asylums great again.
	What?
	Base Justin, thank you very much for the TTS.
	Really appreciate it, man.
	Guys, W's in the chat for Justin.
	Thank you, dude.
	$10 display, $100 read, $200 TTS if you want to get one in.
	Guys, like the video.
	Like the video.
	Let me see where we're at now.
	Oh, this is unacceptable.
	3,800 likes.
	Guys, I need to see.
	We need to get a 4444.
	I need 4,444 likes.
	Get it there, boys.
	And also, let's pull up Twitch really quick, guys.
	Go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a fall in the Prime sub.
	Holding it hostage until we get three prime subs.
	I need to see three prime subs.
	Let me see three prime subs holding this shit hostage.
	Let me get some follows going too.
	Let me see some follows, guys.
	Let me shout some people out.
	Trucks, thank for the prime.
	Tagogi, thank for the prime jury.
	Thank for the prime.
	We got a tier one from half pint, hit man.
	Thank you, man.
	Friggin' Mark, thank for the prime.
	Reason, thank for the prime.
	Swalilo, thank for the prime jury.
	Thank for the prime.
	Let me shout out some followers: Peak, Mick, Coco, Snazzy, Armed Goof, Clax.
	Guys, check if you have a Prime sub show some support over there.
	You know what?
	I'm a nice guy.
	I'm not going to hold it hostage.
	Okay.
	Let the grifting cease, I guess.
	All right.
	So, where were we?
	We were talking about the protests.
	We were still talking about the protests.
	I think so.
	Wait, no, no, no.
	No, you brought it back to FinDom.
	Can I ask a question?
	Yeah.
	If you had to fight a bear and know that he was going to eat you and kill you or be sexually assaulted by a man, but you would live.
	Would you still choose to be?
	Probably the man, but that's just like I said, and that's a specific situation.
	But like, I mean, I would rather be alive than dead.
	Yeah.
	I mean, yeah, so, like, that's kind of the ridiculousness of the bear being the choice because, you know, if I was going to be sexually assaulted, a man coming, I mean, as long as he's not having a weapon, most have certain things you can do to punch him, kick him in the balls.
Sugar Daddies And Debt Issues 00:10:11
	Most men that kill women end up doing other things too, like necrophilia, rape, like all that stuff, torture.
	Did I show the super chats?
	But then you would still be alive at the end of that versus.
	No, I'm saying the other stuff, but I don't know.
	It's just too open-ended of a question to give an accurate answer without specifics.
	Well, we're going to shift off that, but I had a question for you on the FinDom stuff.
	So you write that you don't believe FinDom is taking advantage of men because they are consensually participating.
	I guess we talked about that a little bit, but I don't know if I got a clear-cut answer on the consent thing.
	They are the ones seeking you out and begging to pay you.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And then there's another thing.
	You also don't believe all women should be stereotyped as overly emotional, dramatic, or reactive.
	We'll come back to that one.
	Going back to the FinDom stuff, you describe yourself in some of your bios a spoiled, greedy, Washington brat.
	Yes.
	Why do you laugh at that?
	Isn't that personal?
	Does that make you cringe?
	Hearing your own words or something?
	No, it's just funny.
	It's funny.
	You say you're Wasion.
	What's your other half, I guess?
	Half Korean, half white.
	Okay, and you also describe yourself as a wallet drainer.
	Yes.
	So you drain the wallets.
	You charge a tribute of $40 to speak to you.
	Really quick, what is a tribute for those who don't know?
	That is what a sub has to pay me for me to reply to their DM.
	Okay.
	So before I'll even reply.
	Okay.
	And you had a simp fund a car.
	So you paid for the whole car?
	No, that was not just one simp that funded the car.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	Do your parents know you do this?
	Yes.
	Are your parents still together?
	No.
	Do you have siblings?
	No.
	Is one of them not alive?
	One of my parents.
	Well, I asked if your parents are still together and you said no, but.
	Oh, no.
	My mom is the only one who's like in the picture.
	So.
	Okay.
	Were your parents married?
	No.
	Okay.
	Your mom, both your parents know about it, though.
	I do.
	I don't think that my father knows about it.
	Your mom knows.
	Yeah.
	Is she supportive?
	Yeah, she was asking how to get started.
	Yikes.
	What's the most significant relationship you've had with a man?
	Huh?
	You said what's the most significant relationship?
	Because if your dad's not in the picture, like, do you have any other people in your life?
	You've had a three-year relationship, correct?
	Oh, not with a man.
	Oh, that.
	But are you, do you mean just men and gender, father, like family?
	Any male person, not a sexual, not a remote person.
	Yeah, I mean, I had my uncle growing up.
	We were really close.
	So, okay, your mom wants to also start doing sex work.
	Sure.
	If you do believe that FinDom is sex work.
	It is sex work.
	Okay, and you're entitled to believe that, then yes.
	Well, it's not just that I'm entitled to believe it.
	It's factually correct.
	I thought you said it's a sexual kink.
	Well, it's a kink.
	But I also don't believe that all kinks are sexual.
	But it's providing sexual gratification.
	It might be.
	So people might be paying you to be sexually gratified, which means it's sexy.
	I'm prepared to make the argument that let's say even granting your, we need to swap that chair.
	You guys need to be checking the chairs.
	Can you get her a non-squeaker, please?
	Okay.
	So let's say that 80% of your clientele is non-sexual.
	Let's grant it.
	It's non-sexual.
	But even 20% of them are deriving sexual gratification from it.
	Even if the minority of your clientele are deriving the sexual gratification, you're a sex worker.
	Okay.
	Now, you also write that, do you have a man running your accounts or is it you?
	It's me.
	Do you have a manager?
	No.
	Okay.
	What was your most recent post about?
	I don't know.
	I post on there all the time.
	Have Tiffany do it.
	Like, can you verbalize some of the way you do FinDom?
	Can you verbalize it?
	Yeah.
	The way I do FinDom.
	I mean, I just post.
	It's not that complicated, guys.
	It's not that complicated.
	I post selfies.
	I post like little video clips on X just saying like FinDom triggers usually, which are just things.
	Yeah, can you give us examples?
	Yeah.
	Just things like send me money for coffee.
	Send me, you were born to be my wallet, like things like that.
	And I mean, a lot of subs send me money and then don't, like, don't even try to DM me.
	They just send me money.
	You used some hashtags in one of your posts that I saw.
	SPH, which stands for small penis humiliation.
	So you humiliate men who have small penises.
	Note the women laughing here.
	Like, I don't know how most of you would feel if, for example, I did FinDom and I humiliated women for having small boobs.
	You would probably have to do it.
	Hold on.
	Even if it was consensual, I think most of you would have some degree of objection to me humiliating women who have small breasts.
	I've been teased my whole life for having small breasts.
	Right, then that's wrong.
	Yeah.
	Okay, okay.
	I don't think that's okay to do.
	Okay.
	Are you saying in a consensual way too that we would have a problem if like you were doing consensually?
	I do think women would have a greater objection to a man even consensually humiliating a woman consensually for her small breasts as compared to humiliating a man who has a small penis.
	I think that would be true, but I don't think all women would agree with that.
	I think that if a woman is not maybe experienced with kinks and maybe she doesn't have any kinks of her own.
	I think if you do have kinks, then you can have some degree of understanding.
	Give us some of the lingo.
	You said there's like Findom terms, lingo.
	Can you just give us like three or four?
	Wallet, human ATM, cash slut.
	Yeah, I wrote some down.
	You said in some of your posts, this is what you wrote.
	I'm only going to use you.
	Go into debt for me, drain their pockets, two more victims.
	You have a sub doing DoorDash orders just to send all of it to you.
	That's fine.
	You really don't care.
	You wrote, you really don't care if you're in debt.
	Go further for me.
	You like your ATMs obedient.
	So you refer to men as ATMs.
	You're fine draining their pockets.
	You want them to go into debt for you.
	You don't care if they go into debt for you.
	When it comes to consent, this is actual harm that's befalling these men if they are, in fact, going into debt to fulfill this sexual canker gratification.
	That can be true, but honestly, a lot of them aren't actually going into debt.
	There's a lot that literally lie about how much money they have, but they have the fantasy of going into debt.
	And they want that fantasy played out.
	Can someone consent to something and it still be wrong?
	It completely depends on the situation.
	So like, what if a 20-year-old woman is dating a 40-year-old man?
	It's consensual, but do you think there's something wrong with that?
	Are you super cool with it?
	It's not my right to say anything.
	I think it's very dependent on the people.
	Mike, Mike, Mike.
	I think it's very dependent on the people, and it's dependent on what they're...
	Do you think a 20-year-old girl can consent to being with a 40-year-old man?
	She's an adult, yeah.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Fair enough.
	Consistent, I guess.
	You also wrote about pay pigs.
	You show nothing, so you don't do nudity.
	No.
	Even if a guy offered you like 500 bucks to send a new person.
	No, no, I have been offered.
	They beg to pay for your nails, makeup, trips.
	You have had vacations completely funded by men.
	You've done it for years now.
	You say you've made thousands and thousands of dollars bullying men.
	Yes.
	How much would you say you've made in total?
	I've been doing it like on and off for like a couple years.
	Yeah.
	You started doing it at 18, though.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I saw a TikTok video.
	You said a new sub approached you and already sent you $3,000.
	I don't actually believe you.
	Okay.
	Like, look, maybe it happens.
	Personally, I just don't get it.
	So those are actually called whale subs, and they will pop up once in a blue moon.
	I just don't understand, like, the I mean, maybe the FinDum component is different, but the sugar daddy guys where it's not necessarily FinDum, like you could just get, not that I think men should do this, and I find it disgusting, but prostitutes don't cost $3,000.
	Like, you could just fuck a woman for like a couple hundred bucks.
	Not that you should.
Artificial Wombs And Human Value 00:15:31
	That's fucking disgusting.
	It's gross, right?
	But I don't understand like these men who just like sugar daddy and give these women all the, and it's they just want sex from these women.
	But like, you, why would you spend X?
	I don't know.
	The whole thing doesn't make sense.
	I don't understand the sugar daddy situation either, to be honest.
	May I?
	Is that a good thing?
	So I think that from what is said, men have a lot of risk when they come forward to try to talk to women these days.
	A lot of times, they called misogynistic just for approaching a woman.
	So a lot of times, it is safer, unfortunately, for an unhealed man to skip to minute 211 or to pay someone that they don't have to risk being accused things by, or they don't have to risk anything unsafe or being painted in a certain light.
	And that's really sad and it's not okay.
	And it's definitely preying on a weakness because men societally do not have an okay space to come forward with anything happening to them.
	And that's, I think, a probable reason.
	We have Tyler Farrell here.
	No breakfast, no brains.
	The Capybara in red and Wednesday Adams.
	Next to her are retarded.
	Stream.
	Okay, great music.
	Whatever in the Wilsons are goaded.
	Hey, thank you very much for the super chat, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you, Tyler.
	Okay, well, that's interesting.
	Yeah, the FinDum stuff, I don't know.
	Not a fan of it.
	Going to your notes, Maya.
	Hopefully.
	You had some not-so-nice words, I think, directed towards Rachel Wilson or Andrew Wilson.
	So you wrote that as one of your disagreements, you think considering who his wife is and how she has multiple, or he has, she has multiple baby mamas, daddies, whatever, you think his views are hypocritical.
	I would assume that your views being a Christian woman would be that you're supposed to be with one partner for life and you have your kids and you make your big happy family.
	But to my understanding, you have multiple baby daddies and you have had multiple relationships.
	Yeah, so you probably heard a bunch of stuff on the internet.
	I did.
	I mean, that's what I met at the time.
	That's all correct.
	Okay, what do you think a baby daddy is?
	Someone that you are no longer with who you have a child with.
	Because when people say baby daddy, I'm thinking like a rando that you have a kid with.
	Not somebody you were married to.
	It's somebody who you were married to, a baby.
	What would you consider him now that you're not together?
	An ex-husband.
	But what about where?
	The father of your children?
	I still think it's a baby daddy.
	Okay, but would it be wrong?
	Why are you assuming that it's wrong that I had kids with somebody else?
	I'm absolutely not assuming it's wrong.
	My understanding, just from based on what you have said, what I've seen your husband say, that you would be in the position that you are supposed to be with one person only.
	Yes, you are.
	Absolutely, you're supposed to be.
	But sometimes people abandon you and sometimes they actually physically abuse you.
	And in that case, you don't really have a choice.
	So.
	So is it wrong if that happened to me and then I come out and say I still believe that you should be married?
	Okay, so I have a question.
	Okay, so if you feel that way, you don't have a choice because he physically abused you, which I'm sorry.
	What about women who were raped and want to have an abortion?
	It still doesn't make it okay to kill another human being because the person who was conceived is not the person who did the crime.
	Right.
	So it's such a low percentage.
	If it was like their dad or their brother or something, and there's a very high chance that that baby will have genetic issues.
	Actually, so I've done some research on that.
	The odds of you having actual genetic problems from one generation of incest is very, very, very low.
	It usually only happens after multiple generations.
	So, like, a lot of the Islamic world has a lot of genetic problems because they've had first cousin marriages for multiple, multiple generations.
	So, the odds of that happening would be extremely low.
	Just because there's an odd chance that a baby might have a genetic problem is also not a reason to kill it.
	Do you think that, so you think a woman that has been raped gets pregnant, she should have to bring that baby to term?
	What about she brings the baby to term, has the baby, and she can't even look at that baby?
	She is so sad to just remind her what happened to everybody.
	Oh, adoption.
	And if you guys have adopted kids, why do you think everyone should be adopted?
	Well, actually, everybody can adopt.
	Did you know that there's a waiting list of people who are waiting for newborns?
	Newborn babies always, always get adopted.
	I just feel like the mother's right should come first to be able to kill someone.
	And I don't think that's been raped.
	Okay, I've got a great hypothetical to test your logic on this.
	So you might have heard that they're expecting we could have artificial wombs in the future, right?
	What are artificial wounds?
	Literally, an artificial womb.
	A woo-wering womb.
	I think wound.
	No, artificial wombs.
	So they're saying maybe within the next 10 years.
	So let's say they have artificial wombs and a woman goes to get an abortion and the abortion doctor says, Great news, we now have another option.
	We can transplant this fetus into an artificial womb where it can come be grown to term and then be adopted out by someone else.
	Would you like to do that?
	Great.
	Do you think if I was in that situation?
	But do you still think we should have legal abortion if that option became available?
	I think it's very situational.
	What would be a reason to still kill the baby?
	Multiple generations of inbreeding.
	Or abortion.
	But that wasn't the same thing.
	Okay.
	Barring the most bizarre freaking outlier of multi-generational inbreeding.
	Okay, just any other, because you know the vast, vast, vast majority of abortions are just elective and just because of reasons like I don't have the money or it's not a good time for me.
	So if there was an option to transplant the fetus into an artificial womb, do you guys, both of you guys who are pro-choice, do you think we should still have legal abortion?
	I think I would have to think about that.
	I've never heard of that, but I would have to think on that.
	But I do think abortion should never be used as a form of birth control.
	If you're having consensual sex and consistently getting pregnant and consistently going and getting abortions, that's not okay.
	But I think abortion should be available to the people who have been raped or people that like physically detrimental to their body to have a baby.
	I think they should have an issue.
	They should have a reason to.
	But if someone is in there five times in a month getting abortions, I know that wouldn't happen, but like that's okay.
	What about you?
	What do you think?
	If there's an artificial womb option and we can just transplant the fetus, it can be born at full term and adopted out.
	Should we still have abortion rights?
	Should you still be able to abort it anyway?
	What's the cost of this?
	Is there no cost of it?
	It's free.
	What I would personally do is I would, of course, like put it in the artificial.
	But do you think that women should still have a legal option to terminate the fetus?
	Well, how would the procedure look?
	It would just be like let's say, well, it probably wouldn't even be like a full C-section, just basically.
	It would depend on the age, too.
	But let's say that there was a way that they could do it endoscopically.
	So you don't even have to have a big scar.
	It's just a tiny incision.
	They can endoscopically go in, just like they would to do genetic testing on a fetus.
	Can just remove it, place it in an artificial womb.
	And does the woman have any responsibility to that?
	No legal or moral responsibility.
	I might have to think about that a little bit more, but that sounds like a good solution.
	Okay.
	I was curious what you might say to that because I've asked other women that question and they'll still emphatically say that we need to have the right to just kill it.
	And this one girl told me, I don't want some person with half my DNA walking around out there.
	It's my right to kill that person.
	That's what I'm saying.
	And what I think.
	Yeah, that's not.
	That's not controlling.
	Can we tie her tubes?
	I don't see a fetus as a human being.
	I know they're a human.
	I know they're human, but I don't see them as like a...
	Would you be okay with a cat having an abortion?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	A cat, yeah, they do that sometimes, but it's just expensive.
	Like if a cat has an abortion, a cat actually gets pregnant, absolutely, a cat can have an abortion.
	Well, what I think this question kind of proved to me is that both of you, when given the option to just not have the responsibility, not be a mother, not go through the pregnancy and the birth, you did recognize that there's something of value there that should be saved.
	I said I need to think about it.
	Okay, but you did not just immediately say, oh, it's just a clump of cells.
	Why would I even bother?
	You paused and said, I probably would.
	So that tells me that something in your mind knows that there's something in there of inherent value.
	So me personally, that's not really where I was, what I was thinking.
	I was thinking more so that there are women who do struggle when they get an abortion.
	They struggle with the decision.
	It's not just like something they take lightly.
	I think that it would help a lot of women who don't want the baby, don't like, don't want to go through the pregnancy, any of that.
	I think it would help them to be able to do something like that.
	Yeah, but doesn't that also prove that maybe there's something of inherent value there?
	Maybe it's a human life and maybe that means something.
	Maybe I can't just dismiss it.
	Like the clump of cells thing worked when I was a kid, before we had 3D and 4D imaging of fetuses and embryos and things where people could see what is in there and that it looks human, that it moves and that it has a heartbeat and a circulatory system even at six weeks old.
	I don't think the clump of cells works anymore.
	Everyone knows it's not just a clump of cells.
	I think I have my answer on that.
	I think the woman should always still have the right to choose.
	If she wants to, if that hypothetical does come into play and there is an artificial womb, I think the woman should still have the right to choose if she wants an abortion or not, but I think it should be circumstantial.
	So if like a woman was raped or there was incest involved, then she can choose to abort it.
	But if it's someone just coming in because they got pregnant just on a whim, then they should have to put it into the artificial womb.
	Okay, why?
	Because I feel like the emotional damage of knowing that someone who raped you has no, no, no.
	I'm saying why in the case of we, for the sake of the conversation, I'll just grant rape and incest.
	Okay.
	We're talking about everybody else.
	Elective abortion.
	So why should somebody just going in for an elective abortion have to choose the artificial womb option?
	Because that is their own, like, that was their fault.
	But if it's just a clump of cells, it's not even a person, it's just tissue, why do we care?
	Why bother?
	I mean, if that's the argument, I would say she should also have the right to abort.
	I think a woman should just, they should be a personality.
	Well, that's your, that was what you initially had first said.
	So are you rethinking the whole it's just accomplished?
	Well, I do think it's just accomplished.
	Then why would you say she has to choose the artificial womb option?
	I don't know because I don't think she should have been pregnant in the first place.
	There's something in your mind that's conflicted.
	There's something in your mind pulling you in two separate directions.
	My whole stance on abortion isn't necessarily about like, is it a clump of cells or is it a fetus?
	It's more of it's a woman's body and she should have a right to choose with what she wants.
	It's not about like if she don't fetus is a woman.
	What woman doesn't have what woman in 2026 doesn't know how to avoid getting pregnant?
	No, they all do.
	Yeah, they all absolutely.
	So they did choose.
	They did have the right to choose and they chose to risk it and then they got pregnant.
	So why should they be allowed to kill a live human being?
	Even if you personally don't think it's a person because it's not a human being.
	It is a human fetus.
	It's a human fetus.
	Human means homo sapiens.
	It means the species human.
	You're human.
	Everyone here is human.
	Okay.
	It's a human.
	So it's, you can't say it's not human.
	Choose a different word.
	It's not formed.
	It's not, it like, I don't know how, I don't know much about abortions in general, but depending on how fully developed the baby is, that's one thing.
	But if it's like, you've been pregnant for a week, like that's, are you saying that is a human being?
	It's a living human being.
	Definitionally and biologically.
	You can't disagree.
	That's a fact.
	That's like me saying, this is a white table and you're going, I disagree.
	Yeah.
	It is definitionally a living human being.
	So what is it that makes it okay to kill it?
	Because it's not conscious.
	It's not.
	But if it's consciousness, so we're going to walk through this.
	It's not conscious.
	What's the better word for it?
	Like, yeah.
	Not conscious, but like their brain, like they don't have, I don't think babies are in the womb that, like, when they're just at that stage, they're not forming thoughts.
	They're not like.
	They could recognize their mother's voice.
	I don't, at one week?
	Two weeks ago.
	So you think that they're.
	Well, first of all, unless I think you can only take the pill up until like eight weeks.
	I don't think you can have the surgical option until at least eight weeks, if I remember correctly.
	But okay, if it's just that it's not conscious and it can't form thoughts, once again, somebody in a coma.
	We should be allowed to just kill them.
	If I'm a caretaker.
	You've had a whole life, though.
	So my husband was in a car accident.
	He is now in a coma.
	He's in my home.
	I have to like change his, you know, IV bag.
	I have to change his tube.
	I have to take care of him.
	But he's unconscious.
	Why can't I just kill him?
	Because he had a life ahead of that and you've known him, loved him his entire life.
	Why does that mean?
	What does that have to do with whether or not it's okay to kill a human being?
	He's been alive.
	So the baby has also been alive.
	It's not, though.
	It is alive.
	Maybe it hasn't.
	So you think you have to have experiences.
	When does a baby's heart start beating?
	Six weeks.
	Six weeks, I think.
	Five or six weeks.
	Well, then why don't we just make it so abortions can't happen until after six weeks?
	Almost nobody knows they're pregnant and can get in to get an abortion before six weeks.
	Most of them have to happen after that.
	The only way you can do that is with the abortion pill.
	Well, I just think that women should be aware of that.
	So what we've found through this inquiry is that you don't have, you have arbitrary metrics based on your feels.
	That's what you have.
	You don't have any like any justified reason for choosing, oh, this is the criteria of when it's okay to abort and when it's not.
	You're like, I just don't think it matters because I just don't.
	I have a question in regards to that, actually.
	So I am someone that has been in like a crazy accident, you know, a freak accident, won a million thing.
	I broke my back.
	I'm lucky to, I mean, every day I'm grateful and I'm very happy to be alive, but I was supposed to be paralyzed from the waist down.
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	So pregnancy for me, I mean, I obviously, I have an IUD and I am very, very careful.
	But pregnancy for me is something that could leave me like rendered in a place where I, let's say, my nerves decided to, you know, fuck up during my pregnancy and then it leaves me rendered in a wheelchair for the rest of my life.
	Do you think that that is a in a case of you know where it'd be okay?
	I wouldn't say it's okay because I would because you do have the option to just not get pregnant.
	Like you, that's not always let me let me give like a really specific case here.
	I have an IUD, right, which is over 99%, what is it, effective, right?
	But in the rare case that I was to get pregnant or have an even, what is it called, like an optonic pregnancy where that's so in the case of things like ectopics, that's not a viable pregnancy.
	The baby can't be, there's only one documented case of like an abdominal ectopic pregnancy accidentally making it close to term without the fetus or the mother.
	Okay, I would say that it did, you know, regular in the uterus where it's supposed to be, and I still did get pregnant.
	And even though I've been very careful, you know, let's say it happens because it does happen.
	It does.
	And especially in cases like mine where it would leave me then rendered in a wheelchair for the rest of my life just because I would be forced to do that.
	Well, are you certain it would do that?
	Because I'm not.
	There's a chance and I'm not willing to take that chance.
	But that right there should be a chance.
	And if that's selfish, that's okay.
	So you shouldn't have sex.
	If you're not willing to take that chance, a lot of people jump into having sexual relationships and they don't actually understand the risk.
	No, I do.
	That's why I have an IUD and it's very upsetting.
	But that's what I'm saying.
	Like I'm 99%.
	I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to get it if I were you.
	I do want to have a child at some point, but I'm planning on just having a surrogate.
	Well, there's some issues with that too, but we don't need to get into that for this.
	But the thing about those kind of things, I've been, if I had $5 for every time I was told by a doctor, this is what's wrong with you, and they were wrong, like I'd be rich.
	I had a doctor tell me after number five that I was never going to be able to lift weights or walk again and I should just get a walker.
	Idiots.
	Well, they have to tell you things based on liability.
	So if there's like the tiniest minuscule chance something could go wrong, they will try to like enforce that to you so that you can't control it.
	Correct and in my brain, like knowing that, you know, we're supposed to trust the doctors, right?
	I mean, there's a whole bunch of fallacies with that whole system and everything like that.
	We're not going to get into that.
	But like in my brain, I know it's a possibility that it would leave me rendered in a wheelchair.
	So for me, that is something that like, you know, after a second.
	Well, I think for the, if we were having like a hardcore abortion debate, I think it'd be fine to spend time on that.
	But I think for a dating podcast, taking like the really far outliers, I don't know.
	Yeah, because that's that is my question.
	My personal view is I would not kill a baby even if there was a risk that I could.
	I mean, there's all kinds of risks for healthy normal pregnancies.
	Sure, absolutely.
	They're low.
	They're very low, but they do exist.
	And I took the chance, you know, multiple times.
	So, you know, I had an epidural that went horribly wrong and could have left me paralyzed.
	And luckily it didn't.
	Great for me.
	Yay.
	But I don't know.
	Let's see.
	What else do you guys want to talk about?
	Does anybody else have a topic?
	I wanted to add something real quick because in my experience, talking from my own experience, I did want to abort my son because after subconscious thought, after understanding myself, it was because I was scared to take commitment, to take accountability for actions.
	I'm a teen mom.
	Had to go to my parents with that, had to tell them, hey, this is what I did.
	And I was scared.
	And I didn't admit that I was scared.
	I wanted to take an easy way out.
	And for most cases, because great babies are not as statistically, that doesn't happen to the norm of everybody else who are having abortions.
	And going by that statistic, a lot of, it seems like society just doesn't want to take accountability.
	Women who get pregnant don't want to take accountability because, and this is the argument I hear, that men don't want to take accountability.
	And that's the fault.
	I'm not saying that you deserve what happens to you.
	I'm not saying that it was okay, but it's still you as the adult making the conscious choice to be in this relationship, knowing that you could get pregnant.
	That happens.
	Doesn't matter your birth control.
	I had birth control after getting pregnant, and I was still talking to about the risk of getting pregnant right after already having a baby.
	There was no doctor told me, yeah, this is going to be fine.
	Go ahead, have unprotected sex.
	It doesn't, you know, like you won't have a baby with this in there.
	That's they gave me a list of birth controls, a list of disclaimers.
	This is not the only thing that will protect you from having a baby is abstinence.
	And no one wants to like really agree with that because of instant gratification.
	I want to have sex.
	And that's fine.
	We're humans.
	We're, you know, we have that animal instinct, but it's also like the understanding.
	Like the whole idea about abortion is the argument of like if it's a baby or if it's not a baby, I feel like is useless because the real issue is accountability.
	Are you somebody that can make a conscious choice and stick to that?
	Hey, I had sex, I got pregnant, and now I'm going to do the hard work.
	That's just how it is because that's your responsibility.
	And we talk about it being women's bodies your choice, then you should already have that choice.
	Okay, if I'm going to choose to have sex and get pregnant, I should commit to that.
	I was going to ask Raven a question.
	So your moniker online is Goddess Raven.
	Do you actually like believe in like paganism, witchcraft, anything like that?
	Or is it just like a tagline?
	I actually do believe in witchcraft.
	Okay.
	It's very popular.
	It's actually a very popular thing.
	I've done a bunch of deep dives on it.
	Like witch talk.
	Look up the hashtag witch talk.
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	It's got millions upon millions of hits.
	It's crazy.
	But I believe in a lot of things, actually.
	So I know a lot of women who believe in witchcraft and goddess worship and like nature worship and things like that.
	Even a lot of indigenous cultures, they actually consider abortion to be like a sacrament, like a religious sacrament.
	They do.
	If you go to witch talk, you can find women on TikTok who will show you how to make a religious ritual out of your abortion.
	So I was just wondering if that's like.
	It's definitely like not my speed.
	Okay.
	We have.
	Hey guys, we have it on members only mode.
	I'll take it off members only.
	Let's get the likes to.
	We have 10,000 concurrent viewers.
	Let's get to 5,000 likes.
	We're at 4,400 likes.
	Get us to 5,000 likes and we'll open up the chat.
	So like the video, guys.
	Also, you know what?
	We're just going to do a really quick reminder: $10 display, $99 read, $200 TTS.
	If you want to direct the course of the conversation, you can send in a read, send in a TTS, and you can propose a topic, ask a question.
	So there is that.
	But we have Gorlock the Destroyer.
	So on a scale of 0 to 10, on a scale of 0 to 10, rate your own looks, face, body, total.
	You can't pick seven.
	So when you're responding, if you can phrase it something like face six, body six, total six, something like that.
	Obviously, it could be face seven or well, face six, body eight, et cetera, et cetera.
	I'm in the hot seat.
	Okay.
	Well, I believe I wrote on my paper seven on the face because, you know, I'm not going to dig into it, but seven on the face.
	I think I'm a pretty healthy individual, and I gave myself an eight on the body.
	So we're at a seven and a half total.
	Okay.
	Say four face, four body.
	Total?
	To four.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Ten, face, ten, body, ten.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Six face, eight body, so seven.
	All right, what about you?
	Ten face, ten body, total ten.
	Confidence.
	Yes, go.
	What about you?
	I'm humble.
	I'll say three face, three body.
	That's okay.
	That's just being ridiculous.
	Like you were attractive.
	No, and you're like, you're gorgeous.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Six face.
	Close the mic, please.
	Six face, four body.
	Total?
	Five.
	Okay, what about you?
	I would say my face is like a five, six.
	My body, like a seven.
	I would say I'm a total seven.
	Okay, Rachel.
	Last time I gave myself fives, but I've gotten in much better shape since then.
	So I'm going to say six face, six body, total six.
	If you're counting that I'm really old, maybe you could bump me up a half a point for being old.
	All right, I get my 45.
	I'm doing all right.
	I give myself 4.5, 4.5, 4.5 on all metrics.
	Well, we're not going to dive deep into everybody's answers, but there's a few that have caught my attention.
	So we have a 10, a 10, and a 10.
	You guys, well, hold on, a couple clarifying questions here.
	Where do I begin?
	If you had to assign a percentage, what percentage of women would you say are less attractive than you?
	I think all women are tens.
	Then it's meaningless.
	Okay.
	It doesn't mean anything.
	It means something to me, though.
	All women are attractive.
	I feel like I'm a 10.
	I feel like all women are 10s in different ways.
	So a way that I'm talking about physical attractiveness.
	Obviously, if you add my brains and my amazing personality, I'm a little bit more than a person.
	Wow.
	Is Rachel a 10?
	I'm kidding.
	Are anti-abortionist women tens?
	I can't.
	I need to see them.
	We're talking about looks here, right?
	If we're just talking about looks.
	So you can't meet the person.
	You can't talk to them.
	You're just looking at a picture of their face and body.
	Is Gorlock the destroyer a 10 to you?
	She is definitely a 10.
	If I haven't seen Gorlock, I'd have to see that.
	Her name pops.
	It's not Gorlock.
	It's mean.
	Well, I don't know her name, but Al Weasley or something.
	So all women are 10s?
	Yes.
	Are all men tens?
	No.
	She's right.
	So why are all women tens and why are not all men tens?
	In my opinion.
	I get that it's your opinion.
	Why is it your opinion?
	I honestly just believe that women are prettier than men.
	See, I kind of feel like, I feel like when I'm out walking around in public, like I'm just at the grocery store, I see a lot, especially as people get older.
	When they're younger, the girls might be better looking, but we're talking 40s, 50s.
	I see a lot of hot dads who obviously hit the gym and they look pretty dang good.
	And their wife is like heavy and let herself go.
	And I'm like, dang.
	And he's still like rubbing on her and everything.
	And I'm like, wow.
	We're lucky men like us a lot, you know?
	That's how I feel.
	But so, yeah, why is it, well, how about this?
	Are some women more attractive than other women?
	I feel like it depends on who's, like, to me.
	Like, can I look at one woman and say, I'm more attracted to this woman than the other woman?
	Or am I just one's better looking than the other?
	Looks.
	More beautiful.
	Yeah, talking about looks.
	But then that's based on my attraction.
	But sure, I mean, I can be more attracted to.
	Well, your attraction aside, can't you make a determination as to their physical appearance, absent attraction?
	But that's kind of like saying, like, I know that there was someone on the podcast that liked bigger men.
	Like, there was some girl in the podcast.
	She's like, Chaser.
	Yeah.
	You know what I mean?
	So it's like an outlier.
	Yeah, it's kind of like, it's kind of like all preference based.
	Because like she, like, she could look at someone who, like, everyone in here basically could say is more attractive.
	Like, she could say they're less attractive.
	Everyone else could say they're more attractive than the other person.
	But she still thinks that the other person who's chubbier is more attractive.
	Yeah, but let's map that on to like a million people.
	So are you going to start seeing patterns in terms of assessment?
	If you say you have a million people, you have a million men and a million women, and you show all those million people pictures of 10 men and 10 women and say they're of varying attractiveness.
	Don't you think you would come to like that?
	There's going to be some degree of consensus.
	Like, yeah, maybe the maybe, you know, this one person gets, rates them very high in attractiveness, whereas others don't.
	But like, who's a woman who you think is very beautiful?
	There's so many.
	Olivia Rodrigo, Billie Eilish.
	Those are just like people in the.
	Billy Eilish?
	Yeah, so.
	Yeah.
	Sorry.
	Do you think that do you think that a lot of people would tend to agree with that?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So.
	I would agree with that.
	I would agree with that.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I don't understand why looks are so prevalent.
	Like why, as a society, do we care about what people look like surrounding us like a sex?
	That's the basis of attraction.
	I know, but I don't, that's not my basis of attraction.
	I don't care what someone looks like.
	Like if I don't, really?
	I really don't.
	I'm friends with someone.
	But I'm very looks oriented.
	I wouldn't date anyone.
	But I just, I look at people.
	So are you like asexual?
	Like you don't have sex drive?
	No, no.
	Oh, so you have attraction.
	I have attractive.
	Absolutely.
	There's no absolute attraction, but I don't think it matters.
	If you have a choice between a 5'4 bald guy with terrible acne and a 6'2 athletic looking Chad, like which one are you gonna say is better looking?
	Well, they're better looking, but why does it like matter?
	What do you mean, why does it matter?
	I don't understand why.
	Because you're going to pursue because you're going to pursue the people you think are better looking.
	I would pursue the one that has a better personality that I feel like I'll be safe with.
	Yeah, that's total code.
	No, what happens is they have to pass the looks test for you to be attracted first, then you choose based on personality.
	I disagree.
	There is no woman on planet Earth who is filtering potential mates based on personality first and looks later.
	That's just a lie.
	I do.
	That's baloney.
	Well, you're after the girls, though.
	That's kind of different.
	Wait, can I ask you a question?
	We already have disordered attraction.
	No, I do.
	Yeah.
	What's your opinion?
	Being attracted to the same sex is disordered attraction.
	Why do you know it is not?
	Yes, it is.
	Hold on.
	Go ahead.
	Sorry.
	I know you're not interested in dating, but if you just feeling yourself wanting to go out and get soul, right?
	How would you do that?
	I don't usually do that, but if I were to do that, I don't know.
	Like, would you go to a bar or a dating app?
	I wouldn't go to a dating app, definitely not.
	But if I ran into someone when I was out, baby.
	So, how do you know anything about their personality?
	Well, I would never sleep with someone the first night I met them.
	I would absolutely never do that.
	If they asked for like my Instagram or my phone number or something and we talked and hung out a little bit and then something happened, that's one thing.
	I fucking lie.
	I have never slept with someone the first night I met them.
	I will put that on my dog, who I love so dearly.
	I will put that on my father, on my brother.
	I have never slept with someone.
	But is it not wrong to say that the likelihood of you giving an individual your contact information is likely because they were visually attractive before you got to hear what they said.
	I have never turned anyone who has asked to have my number or contact up anytime, I've never said no to them.
	The amount that I will respond to them is a different story.
	But if someone like gets my number and then is just texting all day, every day, like trying to get my attention, I will not respond to it.
	So a man's looks hold no weight for you.
	It doesn't matter whatsoever.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	I'm saying like...
	But so why are you asking?
	So I don't know.
	I was just saying, as self-defeating.
	So you do contradictions.
	Yeah, you were asking why it does it matter.
	You know yourself, because you just admitted that you care about looks.
	Yes, but I was more saying, why does that that's?
	I was saying in the context of like society and people.
	Why does it matter what people look like?
	That's why because we all choose who we're going to make babies.
	If someone's ugly they're just based on, that's terrible right well no, threes match with threes and sixes match with sixes generally, generally.
	But now we have this problem where all the women all think they're tens.
	So they look at dudes who are their looks match and they're like, ew, he's not good enough for me.
	I'm a ten and he's only a seven and it's like, in reality she's probably a five, she's probably average and she's dismissing average guys because she thinks she's a ten.
	I personally would rather date a confident, average looking guy versus the ooh.
	Who's that?
	Because the average guy is going to treat you better.
	I think not all, not all across the board.
	I think there's some truth to that.
	When men have all their options open um, and I think the guy that thinks, oh my gosh, how did I get her attention?
	I'm the luckiest guy in the world.
	If a guy thinks like that.
	Those relationships simps make my ovaries retreat.
	So I do like a guy who I mean I like a guy who I feel is like like, I feel like my husband's just a little bit out of my league.
	I feel like i'm i'm punching up a little bit.
	I I feel like I feel like one day he's gonna wake up and be like, this is not the wife I ordered.
	They gave me a different wife.
	I ordered the, I ordered the eight and i'm i'm just gonna ride it until he figures that out.
	I would have rated you higher than you rated yourself.
	Well thanks, he rates me higher than that too.
	You have a tt donated 200.
	You have your boobs hanging out and you're all made up and you don't know why.
	Looks matter.
	Oh, shut up, I have no makeup.
	You're awesome, thank you.
	I have no makeup on and my hair is up in two.
	I don't know how i'm all done up.
	I have boobs.
	They're going to be out.
	That is just.
	That is just.
	The outfit says, look what, you're not here, She just has boobs.
	If she didn't have booms.
	Her shirts like the same as mine.
	Her shirts.
	She has.
	Hers has boobs, but she has her shirts the same as mine.
	My shirts.
	Hers is not the same as men.
	That is based, but you don't have boobs.
	If my boobs are bad, even if I had boobs, it's completely different respectfully.
	Absolutely not.
	I just choose to not wear shirts like that because I know my body.
	You know, I hear this cope about like I'm a busty girl too.
	I haven't been in my whole life.
	Even when I was 117 pounds, I had biggins, okay?
	But yeah, little tank tops look sluttier on me than they do on my sister who's got little boobs.
	That's life.
	You know, so if you got biggins, you need more coverage.
	That's how that goes.
	We have a chat here from Only Jokers.
	After watching for a while, The Libby in the Corner, for men to suck so bad, you sure have a very comfortable life because of men.
	And ironically, your whole life and well-being is centered around men.
	Do you want to do a response to that?
	As it should be.
	Oh.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	So men should just give you stuff.
	Yes.
	Why?
	Because I deserve it.
	Why?
	Because I want it.
	Because it exists and you want it.
	Yes.
	You don't think that's actually narcissistic?
	You could call it narcissistic.
	It's entitlement.
	So you're a psychopath.
	So you're a psychopath.
	Do you think that narcissism and entitlement is like fine and you're cool with it?
	And you think that's great.
	Are you trying to diagnose me with an actual mental health disorder?
	Maybe.
	Okay.
Narcissistic Entitlement In Dating 00:16:22
	We can take that up.
	Do you have?
	Yeah, do you have?
	No, I am not.
	No, I don't have antisocial personalities.
	Not even diagnosed with anything.
	No.
	Don't take any psych meds or anything?
	No.
	No anxiety or no.
	She seems actually narcissistic because she seems super comfortable, like hating men, taking advantage of them.
	She thinks that narcissistic sociopathy is fine, but she's worried about men and how they talk about women.
	You realize these things don't make sense.
	In fact, it seems more like you're playing a character.
	Maybe to support your fin dom grift.
	You know what?
	I actually think it's completely genuine.
	I think she thinks men are trash.
	I think she thinks men suck.
	And she's comfortable.
	May I ask her a question quick?
	Yeah.
	If a woman, and she was an attractive woman, came on your FinDom and she wanted to, you know, do these humiliating things.
	That's a good question.
	Would you do it since you hate men and love women?
	So I've actually had femme subs.
	I've actually had females send me money before.
	I've never had a female actually want to be humiliated per se by me.
	Like I've never gotten specific requests like that, but I have had like girls send me for coffee and just like little things and stuff.
	The sisterhood.
	Is there any point though?
	No, like, no, like there are female subs.
	Well, I do got to bring it back to the topic we were discussing, which is the looks rating thing here.
	So all men are tens.
	Or sorry, excuse me.
	You think all women are tens, but not all men are tens.
	Yes.
	And that's interesting how that works.
	Are there any men who are more attractive than women?
	Like conventionally, yes.
	But I'm confused.
	If all women are tens, but not all men are tens.
	Not all men are tens.
	But some men are tens, but if all men, if some men are tens and all women are tens, maybe there's a man who's just as good looking as a woman, but it wouldn't be possible for a man to ever be better looking than a woman from your perspective.
	Yeah, I think it's just like I'm looking at it in a different way.
	I think all women are tens just based on, like, not conventionally, not because of conventional attractiveness, just because, like, all women are beautiful in different ways.
	Not all men are beautiful in different ways.
	I guess all men can be beautiful in different ways.
	Is it possible for a man to ever be more attractive than a woman?
	Conventionally, yes.
	But to, but, and well, non-conventionally, no?
	Not really.
	I mean, so it's impossible for a man to non-conventionally be more attractive than a woman.
	Well, there's there's men that like a lot of straight women will say are just like the hottest and they're they're usually really tall, like they're built, they're like they look very similar.
	Like, sure.
	Uh, most women would come to a consensus on the fact that that man is like attractive.
	For me personally, I probably wouldn't see that man as being that attractive, but I can still know that most women would say that that's a conventionally attractive man.
	Going to you, you also gave yourself a 10.
	Do you think all women are tens?
	I think that all women believe what they want to believe based on societal conditions.
	The reason I gave my 10 was because of my own delusion in myself.
	I feel like if I have to see myself as the best for anyone else to love me unconditionally, because if I don't unconditionally, hold on, if I don't unconditionally love myself, because I'm not rating myself based on what you said, conventional society standards, I'm rating on myself on how I see myself in the mirror.
	And that's usually not everybody else's 10, but that's my 10.
	And if I don't see myself with this unconditional love, I can't expect to find that in a partner.
	If I don't see myself as a 10, then I don't know if my partner would also see me as a 10, regardless of conventional standards.
	That sounded great, like self-help stuff.
	But I will say, first of all, I don't think in romantic relationships, there's any such thing as unconditional love.
	All romantic relationships are conditional.
	If my husband tomorrow stopped acting like the man he's always acted like and started acting like some kind of jerk to me, I don't think I'd love him as much.
	You know what I mean?
	And same thing, if I started treating him badly or if I cheated on him or something, I don't think he'd love me as much either.
	And me understanding and acknowledging that I am an average-looking woman, I'm not, I don't walk down the street and people are like, oh my God, who is that woman?
	They're like, I'm better than that.
	There goes a normal looking.
	You know, that's an ego-driven decision.
	My delusion is fed on my own, like you said, self-help and my own confidence in myself.
	Okay.
	But if you think this way and expect other people to look at you with the conventional standard, if you think you're better than everyone else and expect to get an exceptional level of a man because of how you look, I think that has a lot to do with your own ego and not reality of yourself.
	If you say, hey, I'm confident in my body, I know for a fact that in society standards, I would not be considered a 10.
	But if I can walk in this world and consider myself a 10, I'm walking confident and I know that my confidence will be more attractive.
	The way I think, I'm a very confident person.
	I don't know if that comes across at all, but I'm confident.
	But my confidence isn't based on me having to tell myself that I am a 10 looks-wise or that I'm the prettiest girl in the room or something like that.
	I can say I'm average looking, and as a total package, I think there's a lot of reasons a guy would want to be with me, and I could probably get a pretty good guy for myself when I did.
	Let's test this out, though.
	So, using your framework of you think that if you have this confidence, that that is going to be magnetic, and that is going to enable you to get higher-quality men, more top-tier men, more attractive men.
	Let me propose this: a morbidly obese woman who has perhaps the most confidence in the world.
	She, and it's true, she genuinely believes it.
	She's a thousand times more delusional than you.
	She has an aura to her.
	She's so confident.
	She so has such strong belief in her.
	She weighs 500 pounds.
	Versus, I could also put her in a room next to the most physically beautiful woman you've ever seen, but she's deeply insecure.
	Or really humble about it, maybe.
	Yeah, but she's just very insecure and she nitpicks her looks and stuff.
	Is it your belief that the 500-pound woman's aura supersedes the palpable jaw-dropping beauty of this woman?
	And she, that 500-pound woman, would out-compete the beautiful model when it comes to dating.
	No, I don't believe so.
	And that's my point: is that I don't.
	That was your point, wasn't it?
	No, my point is that I believe that my own attraction has to come from myself and my confidence.
	And not being humble and seeing yourself as a 10 for yourself can be true.
	Both those things can be true.
	If you are ego-driven, if this delusional person was like looking at this model, right?
	And said, no, for a fact, I could get more men than you, if we're going by that hypothetical, then I feel like they haven't done the reflection of society because this is the world and this is society.
	And society does base a lot of their wants on attraction, on physical attraction.
	We are human, we see, and we want.
	And a lot of people disregard the fact that even though you can be like in very confident in yourself, disregard the way of the world.
	This is completely contrary to what you just said earlier, which was if I have this confidence and I'm moving through the world, that's going to enable me to attract better men, essentially.
	Isn't that, is that not what you said?
	I guess I misspoke because it wasn't better men, but I feel like what I, how I see myself is reflected in other people.
	If I see myself as a piece of shit looking person, I don't expect my partner to see me as this most amazing, beautiful person.
	I don't expect that because if I see myself as a piece of shit subconsciously, they're not going to see me as beautiful either.
	But don't you think it's equally delusional?
	So I think it's equally delusional for because you are pretty.
	You got like this cool Pocahontas vibes thing going on.
	You got a pretty face.
	You're a pretty girl.
	I don't think you need to tell yourself you're a 10.
	I think you could just say.
	I don't tell myself I'm a 10.
	I'm answering a question.
	They said, do you see yourself as a 10?
	And I'm not going to be, well, I see myself as a five.
	That's my opinion of myself.
	If I have that opinion of myself, I want it to be the absolute best.
	And just to be clear, we are talking about looks, right?
	Like you can see yourself in like a totality sense encompassing your personality.
	Well, that's what I'm saying.
	Is that like I have to be able to look at myself in the mirror and decide that I'm a 10, not what society decides for me, but what I decide for myself.
	I notice you're wearing makeup.
	Do you, when you look in the mirror, because you said when you look at yourself in the mirror, is your assessment of you, are you less, are you not a 10 before you put the makeup on?
	No, that's not true at all.
	So you're 10 before you put the makeup on?
	I'm a 10 at all times.
	I'm a 10 at all times.
	Yeah.
	Defend yourself at all times.
	I mean, but then why the need to put on the makeup if you're already a 10?
	Because it's fun.
	I love putting on glitter.
	This is the funnest thing that I do.
	Yeah.
	My son loves it.
	I love it.
	If I was going to have makeup on, I would just have glitter on.
	A lot of people feel like there's a reason.
	Thank you.
	You've got the face and you've got the fake lashes, right?
	And you've got the mascara.
	You've got the makeup.
	And you've got some eyeshadow.
	I love the looks.
	And I love putting on glitter.
	I love the glittery things.
	I love that we are in a world where we can do that kind of shit.
	I'm not going to lie.
	I'm kind of a ferret.
	I like sparkly things too.
	And I like the fact that I live in a country where if I choose to wear makeup, I can do that.
	If I don't want to wear makeup, I don't have to do that.
	It's lit.
	I love dressing up.
	It's fun.
	A lot of people don't do things just because it's always, oh, if I can get a man or if I can get this, I do this for that.
	Instead of maybe I just do it just because it's fun and I could die in like two seconds.
	You know, you never know what's going to happen.
	So I'd rather die without you.
	You guys think it's wrong to try to look attractive for your man though?
	No.
	No, not at all.
	No.
	Okay.
	I think you should try to look attractive for yourself first, but then secondarily, a man.
	Like if that's your only goal, if you're like, if your goal is to make yourself look better because you're insecure, that you don't look good, that's stuff that you need to think about.
	That's not like, like some people show up as desperate.
	Oh, I need to do this, this, and that.
	And that way I will earn a good whatever, but their intention is wrong.
	It's too late.
	Maybe this is just me being married for a really long time, but I think like, for me, it's important to still be attractive to my husband.
	I still want his attention.
	I'm still hoping that, like, when I walk by, if he's playing video games, he'll at least give me a little.
	And I think that's really important there, too, because I heard you say something about like, oh, like, how can I be with his wife who let themselves go?
	I think that in all cases, if you look your best to get someone, then stay looking your best.
	I think that if you're doing things just to get someone and then completely stop doing whatever that was, I think that is entering a relationship.
	Yeah, that's fair.
	Show up exactly as you were going to show up, you know, regardless.
	If you're somebody that puts on makeup every day, put on makeup every day.
	If you're doing it only to get a man and then get mad, oh my God, he doesn't love me because I don't wear makeup.
	There is a lot to say about that.
	Really quick on the makeup thing.
	I've been trying to conceive and create and invent a way to properly articulate some of my objections as it relates to makeup because I feel like sometimes it doesn't quite, I mean, from my perspective, and there's obviously it's not just on-off switch, black or white.
	I think there's a scale to the level of deception, fraud, misrepresentation.
	A woman wears a bit of eyeliner that's different than a woman who's full face of makeup, contouring, powder, fake lashes.
	Then you can even get into plastic surgery, lip filler Botox, using filters.
	There's a scale, there's a severity to it.
	But I wonder if it was framed like this, and perhaps in the future, something like this will be real.
	Imagine nano-robots that Micro-robots that, and thousands or even millions of them, that could maneuver themselves on someone's face, either both a man or a woman, maneuver themselves on someone's face so as to completely, maybe not completely, like there's still a character of them there, but you know, reshaping the jaw like the AI thumbnail on there you go.
	You don't look close, Tom.
	You're close, you're close, Rachel.
	You're close.
	That's me from another dimension 20 years ago with plastic surgery.
	Doesn't even look like me at all.
	It's very close, Rachel.
	I mean, you know, look, it was Chat GPT.
	It took its liberties, but I would say that I think women, if, for example, you ran into this guy who's the most beautiful man, handsome man you ever saw, and he had some futuristic nano-robot thing that changed his face.
	And then when he took it off, his skin was all fucked up and he was balding.
	And he could create fake hair too.
	And he was balding.
	And I wonder, I'm trying to think if I had posted this somewhere.
	Let me see if I posted it somewhere.
	I mean, realistically, I know a little bit about nanotech because I've read a lot of books on it.
	But you would be able to grow hair again.
	You wouldn't even need to, like, the illusion of it.
	You would be able to regrow hair.
	Sure, but I guess in this scenario, it's a complete facade, total mask.
	I think people, whether it's a man or a woman doing this, would feel like this is to some degree a deception.
	Oh, sure.
	Like if it's nano-robots covering your face and it's changing the jaw and it's changing the shape, but it's like, well, that's kind of what makeup does to a degree.
	Now, depends what the makeup is, a little eyeliner, that's not huge.
	But some of the contouring stuff that women do, some of the plastic surgery does change it.
	And it's like, I wonder if through that lens, women would have a greater objection to they would perhaps see males' perspective on the deception that makeup can have.
	And if women would have a different tune on it, if men were wearing some nano-robot mask that looked completely, basically real.
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	And you were more attracted to this person because they were wearing it.
	I'm going to have to have ChatGPT generate an image so you can really see what I'm talking about.
	But it's, I don't know, I think a lot of women would feel deceived if there was some nano-robot mask that looked super, anyways, whatever.
	We have some chats here.
	We have Desert Jorge.
	I wasn't a misogynist before tonight's show.
	After listening to Chair Two and Chair Three spew their retortedness all night long, I'm now reconsidering embracing misogyny.
	Thank you for showing me the truth.
	Wow, okay.
	He was an egalitarian until you guys talked.
	Good job, guys.
	He's entitled to his own opinion.
	You know, people accuse me of creating all these misogynists or misandrists, I guess.
	Or no, misogynists.
	But it's really the women.
	Only Joker's nuke button you talked about earlier.
	If men left the planet, there goes your income.
	If a war started, I can guarantee semi-auto you'd run to men for a fix.
	When you call a cop, it's men for fuck's sake, la la land.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, if there was a natural disaster tomorrow, you wouldn't be waiting for the women to come save you.
	There's no feminists.
	No feminists in the Mad Max World nuclear apocalypse.
	Finishing off on the rating thing really quick, can you tell me a woman who's a 10?
	Olivia Rodrigo.
	Anyone else?
	Just curious?
	Yeah, Villie Eilish.
	Olivia Rodrigo.
	Okay, Google Olivia Rodrigo, and then what about you?
	A woman who's a 10?
	I don't remember the actress name, but it's Manny from DeGrassi or DeGrassi.
	Yeah.
	Manny from DeGrassi.
	Cassie Steele.
	Yeah, Cassie Steele.
	Okay, Google her too.
	Yeah.
	Or what's her name?
	The Super.
	Who's the chick that plays Superwoman?
	And then.
	Gal Godot.
	That one.
	Gal Godot.
	Okay, so those three.
	And then tell me a man who's a 10.
	Tell me a man who's a 10 while she's thinking.
	David and James.
	Wait, is it Franco?
	Yeah, the Franco's.
	The Franco brothers.
	James Franco.
	Okay.
	Dude, James Franco, what about you?
	Maybe like younger Leonardo DiCaprio?
	Young Leonardo DiCaprio.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	He's still hot in his old age.
	Oh, and also Troy Bolton, whoever his actor name is.
	Troy Bolton.
	Zach Efron.
	Zach Efron.
	Oh, Zach Efron.
	Okay, do Zach Efron.
	Why not?
	Chris Hemsworth.
	Chris Emror.
	Chris Hemsworth, why not?
	Wait, did Zach Efron get like a weird surgery?
	He fucked his shit up.
	He fucked his shit up.
	He did fuck his shit up.
	Yeah.
	How come nobody ever brings up Jensen Apples?
	I don't know who that is.
	The guy who plays Dean Winchester from Supernatural.
	He's like too beautiful to exist.
	I don't even know.
	Do you have all those?
	Image tab on all those.
	All right, let's.
	We're just going to run them up really quick.
	All right.
	Also, young Andrew.
	10 of them.
	There you go.
	Young Andrew.
	Okay, so that's Olivia Rodrigo.
	You said she's a 10, you're a 10.
	Next.
	See, I think she just looks normal.
	She looks like AOC.
	So this is Gal Godot.
	You said Gal Godot is a 10, you're a 10.
	Next.
	You said James Franco is a 10.
	You're a 10.
	Okay.
	Tab over.
	Scroll up a little bit.
	Yeah, scroll up.
	Scroll up.
	Scroll up.
	Okay.
	The third one that they're going through.
	Yeah, the third.
	He's cute, but he's just, he always looks like a baby to me.
	He's a really big head.
	Leo's a 10.
	Zach Efron.
	Yeah, he's chopped Zach Efron.
	He's stuck himself.
	What'd you do?
	And then there should be Hemsworth or whatever.
	And then, okay, there you go.
	So those are 10s.
	You guys are 10s.
	Boy, boy, oh boy.
	Well, can we ask them what it's going to be in 20 years?
	Oh, the like, will they look.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We actually stopped doing that.
	We can do that, though.
	One quick thing, though.
	So, okay, just to be clear, you listed James Franco, Leonardo DiCaprio, Chris Hemsworth, Zach Efron as tens.
	You're a 10.
	Are those your is that your league?
	No.
	Looks league.
	Is it your looks league?
	My looks league?
	No.
	I told you, I saw myself as a 10, not based on conventional standards.
	But if we're going, you know, conventional standards, they're very attractive.
	And then who was the guy that you said young Leo DiCaprio first?
	You said Leo DiCaprio.
	So is Leonardo young Leonardo DiCaprio?
	That's your looks league?
	Sure.
	Like.
	Oh, boy.
	All right.
	Okay.
	I mean, like, isn't it okay for someone to see themselves as a 10 and also understand that they're not going to get somebody like Zach Efron?
	Well, not get someone because, I mean, these were bringing in other factors in terms of attractiveness, their status, there's money, there's success, there's career there.
	But just on the looks front, I would still question, say, for example, an average woman who thinks she could land a guy who's an eight, nine, or ten.
	Well, that's that is different.
	Somebody who thinks, that's what I'm saying, is like if you're delusional in yourself, but also don't understand the world, that is a problem.
	If you are so delusional to believe that looks actually don't matter, that is a problem because this is society.
	And like I said, we as humans, we do start with the looks.
	But if you see yourself as a 10 and understand that you as a 10 are not in the leagues of societal tense, I can't.
	So what does it mean to rate yourself a 10?
	If you acknowledge that there are, so, okay, if the scale is zero to 10, 10 is the ultimate.
	How can there possibly be men who you would rate as a 10 that are outside of your league?
	That's my confusion here.
	There's an inconsistency in the application.
	But yeah, I just don't understand.
	I guess what I mean by that is that I don't, I personally don't go around judging based on looks first.
	And looks is like the last thing, like looks is something that subconsciously is being made in my mind, but it's not something that I'm holding attention to.
	I'm not like, I can see someone is conventionally attractive like Zach Efron, but that is a fleeting thought.
	What stays is who are they as a person?
	Is this person someone that I feel?
	Because attraction isn't just thinking they look good.
	It's a literal sexual desire there, too.
	Yeah, but we're just, like I was saying, it's just if you're just looking at a picture.
	Right.
	It's not all of those intangibles that when you meet someone and they've got like mad charisma and confidence and they're just like they have this aura and all those other things.
	Yeah, right.
	I mean, I guess it is okay for you.
	But you're just looking at a picture.
	Looking at a picture of you.
	Looking at pictures and stuff.
	Yeah, if I looked at a picture of myself and saw myself as a 10, I think that's because of, like he said, my own delusion in myself.
	I like to see myself as a 10.
	Okay, I guess final question on this sort of.
	You give me a rating out of 10.
	For yourself?
	Yeah.
	Here's the problem is that I feel like I don't habitually do that.
	You want me to rate you as – It can be low.
	I don't care.
	I won't be offended.
	I mean, I was going to.
	It can be whatever.
	I mean, if it's higher than a volume.
	I'd say you're a 10.
	You know, I'd say you're a 10.
	I don't know what you want me to say.
	The honest truth, I guess.
	I don't know.
	Because I think it's strange that we as society even rates people like this.
	I think that's strange.
	I think it's strange that we always like have, and like, like, looks, we can't, we can't change ourselves.
	Just because I vocalize it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
	Like, it's still, it still permeates everything.
	Like, so when a woman looks at a man and makes like a split section, subconscious, unconscious, it's not, well, it's not a conscious determination.
	It's subconscious to me.
	She subconsciously is like, whoa, that guy's attractive.
	You've like looked at his jaw shape.
	Like you're making like an instantaneous assessment that is factoring in like these very sort of superficial assessments of humans.
	Like, okay, his interpupillary distance is this much.
	Like you'd be like, oh, you'd be less attractive if his eyes were like fucking over here and shit.
	And we're not like rating on numbers.
	You know, we're not looking at someone.
	So you know like how when you're playing, you use your iPhone.
	Have you ever watched a movie?
	So like, are you familiar with like computer code or anything?
	Like coding?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Like it breaks down to zeros and ones.
	Everything breaks down to numbers to some degree.
	Like you can break almost anything down into a numerical representation of the thing.
	You know, like how many molecules are, how many, how many atoms, how many, like you can break.
	Like how good is it?
	You rate stuff on DoorDash.
	When you get your DoorDash order, you give it four stars.
	You give it five stars.
	That's all we're talking about with looks.
	And what women do is they assign all this emotional baggage to, oh, if I say that she's not a 10, I'm saying I don't like her and the sisterhood's going to attack me.
	And if I tell Brian that he's not handsome, he's going to be a little bit more.
	I guess I was.
	There's something called demisexual.
	And it's like when it's, it is like difficult.
	And that's when, okay.
	I found that it was difficult for me to relate to people who are like, this guy's really hot.
	This guy's really hot.
	That's how I am too.
	Yeah, that is how I am.
	And that I didn't know was abnormal growing up.
	I didn't know that like everybody was.
	Oh, well, hey.
	You know, it's okay for the world to be that way.
	Okay, do you have a boyfriend?
	Did you say if you had a boyfriend right now?
	What does he look like?
	How tall is he?
	He's 5'7.
	Or 5'9, 5'9.
	Okay.
	Is he good looking?
	He would call himself a six.
	He would tell he doesn't want to talk about, like, he doesn't.
	He has a lower love for himself than I feel like I have for himself.
	Okay, though.
	Or looks for himself.
	Like, he looks himself in the moon and he's like, nah.
	Let's do this.
	Rachel wanted to bring this up.
	Very good question.
	Do you think, tell us your age and if you think you'll be better looking in 10 years?
	Genetically speaking, how, you know, we break down over time.
	I think it's safe to assume that in 10 years from now, I probably won't look just as good unless I have plastic surgery or have other stuff done, just because genetically, I'm white as fuck.
	So, I mean, somebody that's like Korean, like her, you know, she has over 10 years, maybe she'll look better than I would.
	But over 10 years, I can almost probably say that she looks more white than she does Asian, to be honest.
	I mean, down to the genome, you know.
	You know who she looks like?
	She looks like Winnie Cooper from the Wonder Years.
	I've been told that so many times.
	Yeah.
	I think Danica McKellar's hurt.
	I'd say it's safe to assume in 10 years from now, I'm probably not going to look as good.
	That's just how it is.
	Okay.
	You're 22.
	Will you be better looking at 32?
	Absolutely not.
	You are refused to get, I'm going to say 23.
	Will you be better looking in 10 years' time?
	Yes.
	20 years' time.
	I was going to say that.
	No.
	Okay, but yes.
	Okay.
	You're 44, better looking at 54?
	I would hope to maintain the same.
	I do think I'm better looking in my 30s and 40s than I was in my 20s.
	Any particular reason?
	Like, some people say, well, okay, I was a fucking hairwood.
	I went to beauty school at the end of my 20s, so I beauty school?
	I know a little bit more about how to do my hair and that kind of stuff.
	Well, might I ask this question?
	Let's say you were to transpose your hair that you have now to when you were 24 and same makeup routine.
	Would you be better looking at 24 than you are now at 44?
	I mean, I probably equal, maybe.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Well, let me ask the first question.
	So, 44, will you be better looking in 10 years' time at 54?
	I would like to be the same.
	You would like to be the same.
	Doesn't quite answer the question, though.
	Well, I mean, we don't like the same.
	You don't like the scout.
	I don't do drops.
	I don't do alcohol legs.
	Like my lifestyle, I think, is conducive to say that I think I will be equal.
	So there will be no change in 10 years' time?
	I mean, I might have a few more gray hairs than I do now.
	That's it?
	From 44 to 54, like just a couple more gray hairs.
	I mean, oh my gosh.
	I mean, who are we asking, though?
	Like, am I asking?
	You could ask a woman or a man.
	Like, you're still the same.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Am I comparing myself to other 54-year-olds or am I saying?
	Compared to your 44-year-old.
	Yeah, so your 44-year-old self, do you think you'll be better looking at 54 in 10 years' time?
	Think I'll be better looking.
	No, will you be the same, though?
	I think so.
	There won't be degradation if there is, maybe a little bit, not a lot.
	Okay, what about 64 versus 44?
	About the same?
	Probably better looking at 44 than 64.
	Yes, better looking, but slight, very slight change or I mean, I don't think.
	Well, okay, 54 to 64, about the same?
	Probably.
	Okay.
	Oh, boy.
	I guess 20-year gaps.
	And then let's go back in time.
	You're 44.
	Going back to 34, better looking at 34 or better looking now at 44.
	I think I was better looking at 34.
	Okay, and then going back to 24, 24 compared to 44 now, better looking now or 24?
	I would say no.
	Were you like a heroin addict?
	No, my hair is naturally curly.
	I just, you know, I didn't really wear any makeup.
	I mean, I don't really wear a ton of makeup now.
	I don't know.
	I mean.
	Do you have photos of yourself when you were 24?
	You could show us.
	I could find something, probably.
	I feel like you have good baseline aesthetics.
	Like, you're probably, you're probably babing it up at 24.
	Probably, yeah.
	Maybe you still are.
	Probably.
	I mean, thank you.
	You haven't had your rebound yet.
	I mean, maybe Nathan, why would you press?
	I have a really funny story about that.
	About what?
	When I was married to my ex-husband, I was going through the gate to go on base after I had brought him lunch or something.
	And one of the guys was like, man, she's a MILF.
	Like, that's a total MILF.
	And then he sees my husband waving at me and he's like, you know her?
	He's like, oh, yeah, that's my wife.
	And so every time I came on base to see my ex-husband at that point, that guy ran away from me.
	He was too embarrassed.
	And it was your husband's was a military police officer.
	He worked with them.
	They were both military.
	Oh, okay.
	Oh, they were both.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And then, well, you okay, so better at 44 than 24.
	Okay.
	What about 44 and 18?
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	Probably doesn't change anything, but I mean I like the way I look better now than when I was 18.
	Wait, how about this is not really totally looks related, but if you could reget your 20-year-old body, would you make the change?
	Like, would you do the trade?
	There's not a huge difference.
	I mean, I probably had a little bit more muscle than I do now.
	You wouldn't, you wouldn't do the trade.
	You just get, boom, 20-year-old.
	Your bone density would be great again.
	I mean, sure.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	So having a baby at 25 versus 40, it was a lot easier to recover then.
	You know, a lot more energy chasing the baby around.
	You are 25, better looking at 35.
	Yes.
	Better looking at 45.
	No.
	Okay.
	You're 35 better looking at 45?
	No.
	35 better looking at 25.
	Yes.
	Better looking now.
	No, I was better looking.
	Oh, at 25, I see.
	You are 23?
	Wait.
	33.
	33.
	33, better looking at 43?
	I'll be better looking at 43 because I'll be even further along in my health and fitness journey.
	So to counteract, even if there are a couple wrinkles based on where I'm at now, yeah, I think that would be good.
	Good for you.
	Might I ask you this question, though?
	Assuming nothing changed between now, I guess you're talking about weight, right?
	Let's say you stayed the same weight.
	Would you be better looking at 43?
	Probably not.
	Okay.
	And then 33, let's go back to 23, better looking at 23 or 33.
	Now I used to be really fat.
	You were more fat at 23.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I've lost 67 pounds.
	There you go.
	Nice job.
	You are 30.
	Better looking at 40?
	Yeah.
	Better looking at 40.
	Yeah.
	50?
	Not as good.
	But about the same.
	Yeah.
	60?
	About the same?
	Respectfully, if I have as strong as my mother's genes, then I'm very okay with it.
	It's not going to change very much.
	In 30 years' time, it's not going to change.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry.
	Did you mean from 40 to 60?
	No, no, from 30 to 60.
	From 30 to 60, extremely different.
	Definitely not going to be as attractive.
	I thought you meant from.
	Oh, from each incremental increase.
	Okay.
	You're 30.
	Were you better looking at 20 or better looking now at 30?
	Better looking now.
	And you said your mother's genes.
	Are you half black?
	No, I'm Italian and Lebanese.
	Really?
	Do you get that a lot?
	Yeah.
	You get that a lot, right?
	Yeah.
	I thought she was half black.
	I thought she was half-life.
	Wait, you're Italian and Lebanese.
	She has like actually, I can kind of see.
	I see the Lebanese.
	I see the Lebanese.
Pornography And Relationship Deception 00:15:03
	All right, there you go.
	All right.
	Okay.
	And then all three of you girls right next to me have gorgeous eyes.
	They have like really bright colors.
	Oh, whoa.
	She's color contacts?
	I know the gator is.
	Oh, whoa.
	Your eyes are like yellow.
	Holy shit.
	That's kind of cool.
	You're like, look over here.
	What's the technical or like the actual color?
	It just says green on my license.
	Green?
	Yeah.
	They're like kind of a yellowish light, super light green.
	What about like gray-blue?
	Oh, okay.
	And then you've got depends on green.
	Sometimes it'll be a blue-gray.
	All right.
	All right.
	Well, there it is.
	There it is.
	That's interesting.
	Okay.
	Well, we have a little fun segment now.
	You know, we've been grilling you guys for a while.
	We have put all of you through AI.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, no.
	Now, do we have the two batches?
	We have like the aging.
	Wait, did we?
	No, no, no.
	We have the gender swap.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, I don't mind meeting this.
	The beautification.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So we have made all of you dudes.
	Hell yeah.
	You're all men now.
	You've all been transformed into men.
	Oh, my God.
	And I have something for this, but I've done this.
	I can't even find it.
	So the question you have to think of when you're seeing these photos is: would you date the male version of you?
	And then we're going to get into some heated debate.
	Destroyed.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'm so excited.
	All right.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, bro.
	Okay.
	Listen, I need to sneak.
	Wait, push yourself into frame.
	Yikes, bro.
	You're hot.
	So if you're not, I'm pretty good as a guy.
	Okay, to be fair, my hair is weird.
	I have weird hair, so it's going to make the guy look weird, you know?
	Would you date him?
	Kind of with a bigger box body.
	Yeah, with the bigger.
	It's not that bad.
	But it doesn't look close enough to my boyfriend, so I'm going to say no.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Oh, God.
	Can you get that to go?
	Absolutely not.
	Wait, you got to zoom these in a little bit because they're like small.
	So here, I'll pull it back up.
	Would you date the male version of you?
	Absolutely not.
	What?
	What's wait?
	Whoa, whoa, wait.
	Remember when she was like, I don't care about looks.
	Looks don't fucking matter.
	I don't know.
	It's AI.
	That's not a person.
	I would not.
	He looks like every, every like every middle-aged man.
	No, he looks like the he looks like he's 40.
	He looks sweet.
	What are you talking about?
	He looks like a snack.
	He looks like 30.
	He looks like I wouldn't.
	No, he looks like he's 35.
	What do you think's more attractive?
	You or the male version of you?
	I think we're about the same.
	It looks like Harry Potter to me.
	Okay.
	All right, next.
	Whoa.
	That is not me.
	That's not me.
	Actually, that's like one of the things that has to be a Vince sub bro.
	Would you date him?
	I'll help you.
	You only date women, so yeah, but like, no.
	Yeah.
	Okay, next.
	Would you date him?
	Show it again.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Into the mic stuff.
	He seems short.
	Next.
	He seems safe.
	Oh, bro.
	I would date him, bro.
	He looks.
	Look at that smile.
	Wait, but you're not.
	I am Asian.
	Oh, you are.
	What?
	Yeah, I'm half Filipino.
	Oh, half Filipino, half.
	Half Romanian.
	Oh, okay.
	The Philippine.
	What's up, dude?
	That's my tech.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	That would be fun.
	I thought you were like Latina or Native American.
	Yeah, everyone gets that.
	That's probably what your son's going to look like when you're doing that.
	Filipinos are like, oh, my son.
	He's a mix of things.
	Okay, so you would date him.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Here, hide the super chat, please.
	Oh, God.
	Scuff rubs.
	Scuff these.
	No.
	I did her dirty.
	No.
	Wouldn't date him.
	He does look super rough.
	He looks like a Russian.
	Can we change his lips?
	He needs a trap suit.
	All right.
	Next.
	Bro, what are you guys doing?
	Here, hold on.
	Fix, get them fixed before we go to them, please.
	What do you mean you can't fix them?
	Yeah, okay.
	I see what I don't know why that would.
	Okay.
	That's weird, but okay.
	Look at the face.
	Would you date him?
	I know I look so shady.
	Side eye.
	Without a side eye.
	But he looks safe.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Not too bad.
	He looks safe.
	He looks safe.
	I would.
	Thanks.
	Oh, whoa.
	Which beard.
	W on the screenshot.
	It's very good.
	Okay.
	They're pretty generous on this, I'm not going to lie.
	The middle one looks like a lesbian.
	I don't know.
	The facial hair helps.
	What?
	Whoa.
	I don't know about that.
	It should just be in the picture of Andrew.
	That does look like Andrew.
	You saying I look like Andrew?
	No, it's just.
	That's your guy.
	That's your man.
	Like, let me see it again.
	Not bad.
	He's not bad.
	He looks like a guy.
	He kind of does.
	He looks like he could be my brother a little bit.
	All right, next.
	Wow, right.
	I feel like they're a little generous there.
	I'm not going to lie.
	A little generous.
	I would date her.
	A little generous.
	I would date her 10.
	Well, you know what?
	I think it's the eyeliner.
	I told you you were a 10.
	Yeah, she can.
	She's fucking odd.
	I know, right?
	The hair, like, shit.
	Long hair.
	Shit, sign me up.
	Sign me up.
	And then we did a beautification, I think.
	I guess we could run through that super quick.
	Actually, yeah, fuck it.
	Why not?
	Why don't we do it?
	Looks like it's on the Atlas.
	Here.
	You know what?
	Fuck it.
	We're not going to do it because it's all out of whack, I guess.
	All right, let's get back into some debate.
	Let's get into some disagreements here.
	So, hmm, where do I begin?
	Let me see if there's anything in the notes.
	Otherwise, we're going to go to the questionnaire.
	We have, let's see.
	We did all of Raven's notes, I think.
	Aside from, yeah, no, we did all your stuff about the FinDom.
	Maya, you said, aside from not dating people, apparently, you believe that having done porn or OnlyFans shouldn't inherently make a girl unattractive.
	No.
	So is this a response to something I've said or clip from me?
	I probably.
	I don't remember when I filled that out, I'm going to be honest.
	But yeah, most likely.
	But I don't think it should inherently make someone unattractive.
	I think if a man chooses not to be with a woman because she's done porn or OnlyFans, that is absolutely his choice, and that is absolutely fair.
	But it shouldn't be like, oh, you're disgusting whore because you've done OnlyFans.
	Well, that's different.
	So, okay, calling a woman a disgusting whore is different than your first claim, which was doing porn or OnlyFans shouldn't inherently make a girl unattractive.
	No.
	Well, I'm not sure.
	But so what's the difference between what if a man thinks it inherently makes a woman unattractive?
	Well, he's entitled to that opinion, but in my personal opinion, I don't think, well, I mean, I don't think I personally wouldn't go up to like a woman or a man and be like, oh, you've done porn, you've done OnlyFans.
	Like, you're unattractive immediately, because to me, it doesn't matter.
	So I don't think it should matter to other people too.
	But if they think that, then they can.
	Well, so it would boil down to preference, I guess.
	But would it be wrong for many, many men to have the preference that just on the just on the basis of them having done sex work or OnlyFans or porn, that's the sole metric.
	That is what is disqualifying them.
	Just that.
	If, say, 70% of men have this viewpoint, is this somehow wrong or objectionable to you?
	I don't think it's wrong because, I mean, you can't like make someone, anyone can be attracted to who they want to be attracted to.
	It doesn't matter what.
	Well, is it?
	So let's say they see women on a dating app who have in their bio used to do porn, used to do OnlyFans, used to do all of this.
	And the man like instantly shuts off and that's the end of it.
	He doesn't give her the chance to reveal more about herself.
	Is that something unfair?
	I think that's fair.
	But what I think would be unfair is being in a relationship with someone for like, say, like six months, finding out that they're doing porn or OnlyFans and they really like that person, but because they found that out, they break up.
	Well, you're shifting the goalpost a little bit here.
	But no, no, I don't think that's a good idea.
	I mean, even I would agree with you that if you knew the girl was a porn star, well.
	I'm saying if she didn't know and then you found out.
	Oh, okay.
	That's interesting.
	Wait, That's really interesting, actually.
	Well, what I was going to say is, I think, look, if you go into a relationship with somebody and you have full knowledge ahead of time, I think it is fair for you to like maybe start to have issues with it as the relationship progresses.
	But also, it's like, buyer, beware, you kind of knew what you're getting into.
	Like, if she's an OnlyFans girl, good chance she's not going to stop it now, like, six months deep into a relationship.
	But what you said is actually, I guess I misheard you.
	You're saying that she has kept this from you, and then only six months into the relationship when you conceive, you've fallen madly, she's amazing, she's beautiful, her personality is striking, But you find out she does OnlyFans six months into the relationship, you then would think it would be wrong for the man to dump her or break up with her after this revelation.
	Is that correct?
	Yes, yes.
	Why would that be wrong?
	I think that would be wrong because I don't think like what someone does should like change your love for them.
	Oh, they're really hating it from you.
	In some sense, in some sense.
	What if it's porn and she's fucking other men?
	Well, he should be made aware of that.
	That should be on her to make sure that she's not going to be able to do that.
	Because either way, he was deceived.
	Yeah, there's the deception component.
	So you're saying, so this would not apply.
	You wouldn't present this hypothetical scenario as her having sex with other men and her keeping that secret.
	So porn.
	You can put it that way.
	When you put it that way, that is wrong.
	But then I also see it.
	I see it as work.
	Say she's just doing solo content and she's posting pictures of her butthole and like dildoing herself and shit.
	You think it would be wrong in that circumstance where there's not an infidelity happening insofar as she's fucking other men, right?
	Now she is talking to other men on OnlyFans, but you might be okay with that.
	It's not, you think it would be wrong for the guy to dump her in that circumstance.
	I just feel like it's work.
	It's a job.
	It's not like they're.
	Oh, okay.
	I have a hypothetical then.
	Let's just, I know you don't date guys, but let's just say you were dating a guy.
	Yes.
	And it's like two months in, you really like him, he's awesome.
	But then you find out that he works for Donald Trump.
	He's a Donald Trump campaign manager.
	I would be fine with that.
	I've had someone who I was like, and you're like super against that.
	Well, I have had someone I'm saying, I don't think people's political beliefs should divide them.
	Like we're all people at the end of the day, and I think everyone should be able to get along with everyone.
	There's people whose political beliefs I haven't known.
	I've gotten to know them, became good friends, I found them out.
	And I didn't stop being friends with those people because of it.
	Like, I mean, I've never seen that.
	Rachel, tell me if you think this is like super retarded.
	What if you found out six months into the relationship that he worked for Nambla?
	What is Nambla?
	The North American Man-Boy Love Association.
	Who the fuck is that?
	Basically, PDF.
	PDF right now.
	That's illegal.
	That is illegal.
	So absolutely not.
	I mean, that is.
	Yeah, I don't know if that might have been like that.
	That was way fine.
	If my boyfriend's a pedophile, yes, I am not going to be with him anymore.
	But what if he's just looking at pictures and he's not actually like, he's not one, but he works for the company.
	And does the ad, like, helps with their ad, I mean, it's an advocacy organization.
	Wait, so they're advocating for child porn or against?
	Well, they're advocating.
	They advocate that young boys consent and that it's not.
	No, absolutely not.
	I don't think a child can consent to anything.
	Okay, that maybe it's a false equivalence.
	Maybe.
	Yeah, so maybe that's not a fair comparison.
	Yeah, you asked me if pedophilia is okay.
	That's not.
	Okay, I guess that's retardedly nuclear, retardedly there.
	But in any case, there's the deception component.
	Like you are, either through omission or through hiding this, you are kind of like, for example, I think it's really common when you're just getting to know somebody, like a common thread of conversation is, oh, so what do you do for work?
	And if the woman chose in that moment to not disclose, like, hey, my primary source of, like, let's say, hmm, would you object to this?
	Her only job is doing OnlyFans, but she lies about.
	I think that's why.
	I don't think anyone should ever lie.
	I hate liars and hypocrites.
	And if she's a liar.
	So can I lie through omission?
	You can lie through omission.
	If she was like, oh, you know, I'm kind of in between jobs or just like not saying what she does directly, I do think that is lying.
	Like she directly.
	What if she said she's a content creator?
	I mean, technically, that's true.
	It's just not saying what kind of content creator she is.
	I was on a date with someone and then they told me they're a content creator.
	I would immediately look them up on all platforms and figure out what they're doing.
	So I would figure out, get to the bottom of what they're doing, and then make a decision from there.
	I still look, I think you should disclose if you're a sex worker.
	Absolutely.
	And I mean, you've kind of keep walking things back and back and back to make your position more tenable.
	So it's like your original message you sent, having done porn or OnlyFans shouldn't inherently make a girl unattractive.
	Now it's like, okay, well, what if she lied about it?
Lying Through Omission Ethics 00:15:25
	That's one thing.
	But I don't think like you should immediately like screen someone out.
	Yeah, because I wouldn't immediately screen someone out if they were against my political beliefs or if they were doing something.
	I would.
	But I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
	Yeah.
	Oh, no, there's absolutely.
	I'm just saying personally, I don't think you should judge people.
	I wouldn't do that.
	But you're saying having done, but this, your claim goes beyond just your own personal preference.
	You're making a social critique of people who, I assume, men, who would refuse to date a woman on the sole basis that she's done porn or OnlyFans.
	Like, for example, I would not want to date a woman who has done porn.
	That's fair.
	I worded the worded my answer back.
	I'm so sorry.
	But also, you shouldn't, shouldn't, it shouldn't inherently make a girl unattractive or unappealing.
	Yeah.
	In my personal belief, but that's not.
	You got to stand on something.
	I don't, I just say my best.
	Well, I guess it's okay.
	Well, I don't really stand on anything.
	I want everyone to be the happiest person.
	And I call it a flip-flop.
	I just want everyone to be happy as Alley.
	I just want everyone to sing who I am and hold hands.
	Sometimes I think it might be nice to live in Dolulu land with a lot of the other women.
	You guys all just are ignoring our Epstein files and all just living in Dolulu land that Trump's not in there.
	I mean, that's the same shit.
	It's the same thing.
	ICE is taking families apart that are even legal immigrants.
	You haven't said anything yet that you had any clue what you were talking about.
	So we're just going to all recognize that you also have no clue what you're talking about on this one either.
	That is true.
	Okay.
	So if somebody gets caught in Disneyland and didn't buy a ticket, do you think they should get kicked out?
	Yeah.
	But what about the people?
	So what's the difference between that and ICE kicking somebody out the citizens?
	Because most of them have papers and documents and they're being kicked out anyway.
	Who?
	The immigrants.
	Not one single person was an American citizen.
	We kicked out a veteran.
	Did you guys see that?
	We had a veteran who served for the United States of America.
	High-profile guy that turned out to actually be illegal.
	I don't think he was.
	Wait, can we test this really quick?
	So, okay.
	I actually, so I agree with you as follows.
	Yes, if ICE is making mistakes and if it is the case that they are deporting people who have a genuine right to be like actual citizens, then that's wrong in the same way that sometimes police officers do make mistakes.
	Of course, like, yes, sometimes there are genuine cases of police misconduct, brutality, killings.
	And oftentimes those are genuinely prosecuted.
	And then sometimes not too, right?
	If I can agree to that, are you willing to say that I'll stand by you and say either unjustified actions by ICE or unjustified deportations, which my understanding, it's compared to the millions of deportations that are happening, we're talking about a handful.
	We're talking about a few.
	Even if it is happening, it's wrong.
	Are you okay with the millions and millions of genuinely viable true deportations that are occurring?
	Are you totally fine with those?
	I'm not totally fine with all of those.
	Okay, so your objection is not about.
	Well, here's the thing.
	America was, we were built upon immigrants.
	We were all immigrants.
	We had talking points for people.
	No, we're all slap and shit.
	But what are the immigrants doing that's affecting us personally?
	Have any of you ever been personally victimized by an immigrant?
	Like, why are we doing that?
	A lot of people have been victimized.
	But what have they done?
	What have they done?
	But hold on.
	Why are we deporting children and tearing families apart?
	Like, why are we doing that?
	Well, hold on.
	So, should we keep the children here and separate them from their parents?
	But they're doing that anyway.
	No, typically deportation, the kids go with the parents.
	That is not true.
	Parents are in different facilities than their children, and there are bad young girls being raped and getting pregnant in that.
	That is also not true.
	She is literally just sitting here saying, I know where you're getting this from because we do a thing, we do a thing on the crucible called TikTok Invasions, where we go into leftist TikTok and we hear them say this insane stuff and we challenge them on the actual facts.
	Can I see some facts that are in, like, do you guys have any documentation that that stuff is not happening?
	Well, he can bring it up, but you don't have documentation.
	I don't either.
	Where's your facts?
	I don't know.
	Where's your fact?
	I don't see it.
	Yeah, where's your facts?
	Where's your facts?
	I don't know why.
	Why are you confidently asserting something then?
	But you're asking me for evidence, but you don't have to provide evidence.
	I don't think we would have like millions of Americans protesting right now if there wasn't some basis of truth.
	Well, you would be wrong because we had you girls protesting in the streets over women's oppression when that's not happening either because you just feel like it is.
	It's the way that women are being, we already talked about that.
	It's women.
	It's the way that women are being talked about and treated and why, like the way that men think it's okay to talk about us.
	And it's nobody's talking about you.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Nobody's talking about you.
	I've got a really good question.
	I'm so ready for this.
	So, Kate, do you think sometimes when people are baseless assertions?
	When people are doing activism or protests, that beyond just finding something objectionable, even if it's not like government down, like, okay, in society, there's misogyny.
	And oh my God, it's so terrible.
	Whether real or imagined, would you agree that sometimes the aim of activism or protests could be to attempt to get laws passed?
	I would agree so, but I would say that.
	Okay, should we criminalize misogyny?
	Criminalize misogyny?
	No, because they're entitled to their own opinion.
	But I think the point of that is that what do you want the government to do about men, some very small amount of men who sometimes say mean things about women?
	What do you want them to do?
	The protest is a gathering of people to show that there is an issue that people are recognizing and seeing.
	There's no hiding.
	There's no hi.
	What is the issue?
	There's no hot.
	I said it.
	I said it.
	Who are you protesting against?
	We're just trying to show like a group of, like, getting together with a group of like-minded people that support them.
	You're just getting together to loudly complain about it.
	What is wrong?
	What are you talking about complaining, though?
	But what are you complaining about?
	What do you want to not answer that question?
	What do you want to do with the song that you have not answered it?
	What do you want done about it?
	The point of the protest is that you want what?
	Something done.
	No, I'm not saying they want anything done.
	They're protesting.
	The protests are not going to be available.
	We just don't want to complain.
	We just want to.
	And what is wrong with complaining?
	We have freedom of money.
	What are you complaining about that men are apparent, allegedly, according to you, men are always talking shit about women.
	Who?
	The amount of time, the most horrible shit.
	My question is: who?
	The amount of horrible shit I have heard men say about women specifically.
	On TikTok.
	No, I had, I was with a group of people.
	I was with a group of guys once, and they're all talking about like sex or whatever.
	And they were talking about like a sex position where you do some fucked up shit to a woman and she tries to get away from you.
	And they all were laughing about it.
	That is not okay.
	And you haven't heard women saying awful things about men and all laughing about it.
	You guys just did.
	You just did on this podcast.
	Wait, this is a complete, I believe.
	That's not for public protesting, though.
	We're talking about public policy.
	Please.
	Okay, please.
	Hold on, hold on.
	I think.
	We'll get into that too.
	I think this is a complete actual misrepresentation of what these protests are actually about.
	Now, I think it's fine for women to feel upset about some sort of cultural or social zeitgeist where there's like misogyny or whatever.
	If women feel that way, they can object to that.
	But these protests seem to be more about women don't have rights and we got to rally together to protect the women's rights.
	I will say.
	What are the specific rights in which you're attempting to secure or protect for women?
	I think more recently, Roe v. Way is the one that most women have been protesting for, is that one being overturned.
	They're trying to keep that.
	And we already talked about abortion, but I think that's what they're trying to keep in there.
	So I have a question for you.
	You said, which we're going to do a little lesson in how to think.
	You said, I don't think a bunch of people would be protesting if this wasn't going on, right?
	Okay.
	Do you trust the government?
	No, absolutely not.
	Okay.
	Are you aware of the fact that entities like NGOs and the CIA have paid protesters, that this is a proven fact that there are astroturfed fake social movements?
	And I am also aware that there's people like that.
	You could go on Indeed and find people that will hire you to go out and protest.
	I'm aware of that.
	Yeah, so I wrote this little book that y'all should buy on Amazon.
	It's called Occult Feminism, The Secret History of Women's Liberation.
	And it details how the CIA was actually involved in the creation of Ms. Magazine and multiple other feminist propaganda to push it into the culture during the Cold War.
	Do you think there might be something going on right now?
	Do you think that there could be any of these kind of entities behind some of the like ICE protests or the No Kings Day stuff?
	Absolutely.
	And I think they're trying to distract us from the Epstein files.
	Okay, but you have a problem with ICE.
	So we're not going to just endlessly talk about that on here because it's also YouTube TOS and it's all speculation.
	The thing about that is it's all speculation right now.
	So you have a problem with ICE deporting people.
	Didn't Obama deport more people?
	Yes, he did.
	He absolutely did.
	But that was over an eight-year term, wasn't it?
	Obama put them in cages, too.
	Yeah.
	And you don't think Trump's putting them in cages?
	We put people in jail.
	Have you guys seen the pitch of the ICE?
	They're air-conditioned facilities.
	They're getting three meals a day.
	They are not.
	Yes, they are.
	No, you're delusional, though.
	I would love to see your guys' evidence to this.
	I would like to see your evidence.
	You keep talking about that.
	I love a lot of these facts, but you keep going, I feel this, I think that.
	Do you know or do you think?
	Because it sounds like you think a lot of stuff that you don't know.
	Well, what she is, is she's a great representation.
	Like the Marxists put this in all of their writing during the Bolshevik Revolution.
	They said, you got to get the young women.
	You've got to send them to university because they're the easiest to capture and propagandize and they're the easiest people to turn into crazy revolutionaries because you can weaponize their motherly instincts and you show them pictures of kids in cages.
	You tell them that families are being separate.
	You say the little girls are getting raped by ICE and they'll believe that and they'll go, oh my God, I have to protect the innocent thing that can't defend itself, right?
	This is why you see insane women in the street trying to fight ICE, like literally trying to block them with their SUVs and punch them in the face.
	My dear, you are completely brainwashed and totally propagandized.
	You've eaten up all the propaganda and you totally believe it.
	If I will look up some sources and find some articles once we're done, I hope that you do and you're going to find out that you're wrong.
	You're going to find out that you're wrong.
	I look forward to finding out I'm wrong.
	So the whole, I had a big fight with people on Twitter about this.
	There was some other dummy lefty idiot on Twitter who was making the same allegation.
	All the ICE agents are raping and impregnating all the girls in these places.
	No.
	Some of the women that are coming over the border and get detained, even very young girls, are found to be pregnant, but it's the coyotes who are human trafficking them across the border who are impregnating them.
	They show up already pregnant.
	They're not getting raped by ICE in prison.
	Like, you think there's not cameras in these facilities?
	You think there's no oversight?
	Like, if something like that was going on on a widespread level, there'd be we would be seeing a case at least.
	Have you guys seen the if she was like a leftist reporter and she tried to get a job with ICE and they like barely did any interview process, any training?
	Yeah, I really trust a leftist reporter to honestly report on how ICE hiring processes work.
	I mean, but can you tell me?
	Can you tell me why we shouldn't deport illegal immigrants?
	You said you have a problem with that.
	No person's illegal, so they are.
	Okay, tell me about that.
	Explain.
	How could you say a person is illegal?
	That's so you don't think there should be nations or borders?
	No, there should be nations and borders.
	What makes a nation if you don't have legal citizenship?
	The people that are here.
	Okay.
	Like somewhere in the Bible, it says something allows you to do it.
	No, it doesn't say no.
	There's nobody else in the world.
	No, there's no neighbor in with some show.
	No, no.
	It doesn't mean have open borders.
	We're talking about ancient kingdoms that would literally slit your throat if you crossed their border without being allowed in.
	Thank you, Brian.
	Do you think it's wrong for Japanese people not to let immigrants in?
	No, but I think when people say when people are already here and they have established a life and now Trump is in office, so if you try sneaking into Iran and see what Iran does to you, do you think it's okay if you sneak across the border into Iran and they put you in prison?
	Do you think it's wrong for Iran to do that?
	No, but I also.
	Wait, so why is it wrong for Iran?
	It's the way that we're doing it that I think is wrong.
	How should we do it?
	I think we should see that.
	Should we put them on a whittle padded cushion and peel grapes and put little grapes in their mouth and sing them songs when they go to sleep?
	We should find, I mean, if they're not like undocumented immigrants and they're in America, why and they've been here.
	They have a life established here.
	They have children here because their children were born in America and they're citizens.
	Why can't we help them get like their proper citizenship rather than just kicking them out?
	I mean, they're already here.
	There are some people who are going through that process and are being allowed to do it, but it depends on the case.
	And the problem is that this has been going on since before I was born.
	Okay.
	So we've had such a massive wave of immigration over the last 50 years that now we're in a really fucked situation where we got to try to unfuck it.
	And guess what?
	You're not going to deport millions of people without a little bit of discomfort.
	And I know women don't like discomfort, which is why I say men ought to be the ones in charge of all this thing because even right-wing conservative women will often see this stuff and get upset and get worked up and be like, I don't know, we shouldn't do it.
	Life is hard.
	And there has to be rules and there has to be borders and boundaries.
	And if there's no borders or boundaries, if we're not allowed as a country to enforce our borders, why are you, as a woman, allowed to enforce your boundaries and borders?
	Like, why don't you let immigrants into your home?
	A better way we could be doing it.
	Yeah, I think so.
	I think we should let them stay with you.
	I think we should let Jose and his whole family come live with you.
	You can pay for their health care and you can pay for their food.
	I honestly think we're not doing enough.
	Yeah, we're not doing it.
	Tearing families apart isn't enough.
	Hold on.
	Wait, wait, it's not.
	Tearing families apart.
	Yes.
	Oh, you're tearing fair.
	If that's a consequence of somebody illegally immigrating here, then so what about the people whose children are citizens and they are not citizens because they immigrated to America, had their baby here.
	That's why we're doing away with birthright citizenship.
	That was actually a first rate.
	So that you don't have that anymore.
	Completely completely.
	Let me check again for consistency.
	Not talking about the fish, but talking about it.
	If I commit a murder tomorrow and I get put in prison, I'm being separated from my children.
	Is that okay?
	Yes.
	So if I commit a crime and I get put in prison, I'm separated from my children.
	That's okay.
	Yes.
Illegal Immigration And Deportation 00:15:33
	So if you are illegally resigning in a country, and by the way, these people were warned.
	Everybody's forgetting about this.
	We gave them a couple of years to get out, do it the proper way, get their paperwork in order.
	And those who didn't, we warned them for a couple of years.
	Hey, you're going to be deported.
	Hey, make your plans.
	Hey, take care of this.
	And they chose not to.
	They very willingly violated the law again and again and again and chose to do that.
	So why is it not okay to deport them?
	Murder and Rachel brings up a really good point here.
	So if we make them aware of their status, like let's say, like let's say they just came in and they didn't know.
	And let's say we said, you have a year to make arrangements to leave.
	Let's say we did that.
	By the way, 99% of them wouldn't voluntarily leave.
	Do you think that's because of their race?
	Or are you just saying that?
	Like, why are you saying that?
	Why don't you think they wouldn't voluntarily leave?
	I know, but that's what I'm asking about.
	Because if they've come here illegally, they've willfully.
	But your hypothetical is they didn't know that it was illegal to move here.
	Isn't that what you said?
	No, they do know, but I'm saying if they didn't know.
	Wait, hold on.
	I don't know how that is even raised.
	You said if they didn't know and they came here and then they were given a year to leave and then you said they probably wouldn't.
	What is your thesis of that?
	Why would you say they probably wouldn't?
	I didn't know they weren't.
	They were going to know illegally anyway.
	They're already here violating the law.
	They're here.
	But your hypothetical is they didn't know.
	They didn't say that.
	I didn't dare say that.
	No, I'm saying.
	No, so I said that, let's say they did come here and they didn't know that they were violating any law and say they were put on notice.
	Hey, you know, look, you came here, you didn't know.
	By the way, this is a completely ridiculous hypothetical scenario.
	And we gave them a year to voluntarily leave and they don't leave and that would then entail, or well, and that would then allow us to deport them and this would split up a family.
	Would it still be wrong then?
	No, I think that's absolutely fair.
	Okay, so what's happening?
	Yeah, but however, what is that?
	The scenario I gave you, that doesn't exist.
	Most of them are aware of their illegal status, so they know that they're subject to like, do you think that an illegal immigrant who's here today, who's been here for one, two, three, four, five years, isn't aware of the current like so they're aware.
	Why are they not?
	Wait, wait, so why are they not voluntarily self-deporting?
	It's the way that ICE is.
	ICE wouldn't even be involved if they got the fuck out of the way.
	So shouldn't they?
	My issue isn't with, I'm unbiased to the immigrants completely.
	My issue is how ICE is treating, like, the process that says be, oh my God, I can't speak.
	The process that is being done to remove the immigrants is the thing I have the issue with.
	What is this?
	You've only seen a handful of stories that the media makes it look super terrible.
	Don't you wonder why under Obama you didn't see any of those stories?
	No.
	I'm going to look into them later.
	You haven't thought about it.
	I'm going to look into all of that.
	You know, I'm starting to think that the problem with you is that you were not disciplined enough as a child.
	I'm really starting to think that your mama should have taken you to the bottom of the page.
	I've been told I should have been whooped will just be.
	Yes.
	Way too confidently ignorant.
	Just way too confidently ignorant.
	What if we were to do this, though?
	You would acknowledge that there are legal immigrants who aren't being torn, who don't have family here, who don't have children, who aren't being, their families are being ripped apart.
	Are you fine with us deporting, say, I don't know, a 25-year-old illegal immigrant male who has no family here?
	If they have their life established here, yes.
	Oh my god, all these additional like variables.
	But they have to be additional variables in order to be accurate.
	Give a shit if they have a life established here.
	They can go establish it somewhere else.
	I'm going to go throw them off.
	Go establish it at Mendelshaf.
	How would you feel if I just picked you up and took you to Canada right now?
	Just dropped you there to go.
	That's exactly what should happen to me.
	If I go to a country where I'm not a citizen and I'm there illegally, they should kick me out.
	Crazy.
	They do everywhere by here.
	They do it everywhere.
	That's why people come here because it's easy to come in.
	It's easy to come into America.
	It was not wrong for Japan to kick people out.
	It's only wrong in the United States.
	the same situation if they had established a life in Iran somehow figured it out and then we just like they're still illegal I mean they kick to their home wait wait question Who agrees with her?
	Like, who's against the deportations?
	You're against deportations.
	Anyone else?
	So I think it's a bit more conservative-leaning panel.
	But you're also, and I guess, could you echo some of your own positions on this?
	Like, why are you against ICE?
	Why are you against deportations?
	I don't think that anyone is illegal on stolen land.
	It was stolen.
	It was just reversation.
	It was illegal, but it's true.
	That is the only way.
	TikTok told me it that nobody's illegal on stolen land.
	Billy Island.
	We didn't kill Native Americans.
	Did you hear the story that Billy Islands were before them, though?
	Most of the Native Americans who were killed died from disease.
	That is not true.
	It is a Billy Island.
	It is absolutely true.
	We killed Nick.
	We stole their land.
	Even if they did die from disease, do you think it's okay?
	We brought the disease.
	We still killed them indirectly.
	So these are not a problem.
	So it's a colonization problem, is it?
	It is crazy.
	Okay, let me ask you a question then about that.
	When Spanish explorers came to Central America and found that they were performing human sacrifice in huge numbers and they stopped it by force, were they wrong?
	No.
	I don't want to.
	They're not.
	If I walked in like at this day and age and saw that, I'll be like, yeah, that's fucked up.
	But back in that time frame, I don't know what they were doing.
	They could have been having a huge numbers.
	And what archaeological in the 150s, 1600s.
	Okay, Spanish conferences.
	It's a very different time.
	I mean, mummies, I mean, people were like, I mean, that was just, it's just all a completely different timeframe.
	What?
	Who are you talking about?
	It's a completely different.
	Let's let her talk about.
	Let's let her talk about it.
	Go ahead.
	Fuck.
	Me?
	Yeah.
	About my.
	Your position.
	Yeah.
	So.
	All right.
	Yeah, no one's illegal on stolen land.
	But.
	Sorry.
	I literally.
	Is there any land?
	Wait, is there any land that's not stolen?
	Yeah, yeah.
	When you say stolen, gang is con.
	Hold on.
	When you say stolen land, can you, what does that mean?
	No one's illegal on stolen land.
	That's great.
	You just fucking.
	If land is stolen by people, how are other people?
	What is stolen land?
	Land that was like stolen land is land that was colonization through colonization.
	Through colonization?
	Yes.
	Is all land in America colonized land?
	That's not really the point that I was getting.
	I think it's the whole.
	Okay, so what is stolen land?
	Okay, but.
	Answer the question: what is stolen land?
	I'm land that's stolen.
	That makes no fucking sense.
	You're asking the same question.
	But if you say stolen land, see, they have these catchphrases, but they don't even know what they're saying.
	They don't.
	They just repeat.
	No one is illegal on stolen land.
	What is stolen land?
	Me, woman.
	I believe it's stolen from Native Americans.
	Okay, so are there which particular pieces of land were stolen from Native Americans and which specific tribe?
	There were different tribes.
	There was.
	And was all land in the Americas belonging to Native Americans?
	I don't know if all land in America was belonging in Native Americans.
	Well, actually, most of the land in the United States was actually bought, is my understanding.
	Yes.
	Like the Louisiana Purchase.
	Most of it was bought.
	Okay, well, my belief at the end of the day.
	Wait, oh, no, wait, wait, really good, really good.
	I have something really good.
	Okay, so do you think Native Americans, hold on, do you think Native Americans in the United States or whatever it was before the United States, in the Americas, do you think Native American Americans occupied all pieces of land within the United States?
	Or were there some pieces of land that were unoccupied?
	There were probably pieces of land that were unoccupied.
	So if I could point out to you, perhaps in various state territories, that there was land that was not at any point occupied by Native Americans, and it's genuinely, it's not stolen land.
	It was just land that was either discovered or purchased or whatever.
	And it's property and territory of the United States government.
	And there's an illegal immigrant living on the not stolen land.
	Are you fine with illegal deportation of illegal immigrants on the not stolen land?
	Am I fine with deportation of illegal immigrants on not stolen land?
	On land in the United States that's not stolen?
	Because you'd agree that there's some land in the United States that's not stolen, that's perhaps currently a city.
	I don't know.
	I couldn't point to the precise.
	Nevada probably wasn't.
	Yeah.
	We have some in Wyoming.
	Right, like, yeah, yeah.
	Okay, so then let's not even say the phrase anymore.
	My belief is still the same.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Well, hold on.
	I tried to walk her through that.
	No, no, you focused on the phrase I said that everyone says.
	Because the basis was it's stolen land, so you have no right to deport.
	But we've colonized now.
	Like all of America is now us.
	So even the parts that were stolen, I don't know what the statistic on it, but I bet most of the land was occupied by Native Americans.
	So let's even grant that 60% of the land was stolen.
	Oh my God.
	60% of the land was stolen.
	40% of the land wasn't.
	So if you find an illegal immigrant on land that was not stolen, fine to deport them then?
	No, because we still own all of the land.
	How would that be relevant?
	Because we.
	How would it be relevant?
	It's relevant because we stole the land that then we all connect.
	I mean, we're all connected.
	It's all one thing.
	What?
	I don't think so.
	I'm so sorry.
	I'm trying my best.
	I'm trying my best.
	Well, that's what you're fucking good.
	That's so funny.
	One of my coworkers compares me to Donnie all of the time.
	Mouth noises.
	Literally nothing.
	Hold on, I have a TTS here and then we'll get back to it.
	Thank you, Unknown Soldier.
	The unknown soldier donated $10.
	Thank you, man.
	The only intelligence from Chattoo has said all night was five hours ago when she said she wasn't going to have kids.
	Thank God.
	It's for you.
	Thank you, Unknown Soldier.
	Can somebody be illegal on non-stolen land?
	I honestly regret even saying that sentence because now I can't talk about my viewpoints.
	Why not?
	Because now you're stuck on this sentence.
	Well, but hold on.
	Wait, what?
	That doesn't even.
	Well, now I can't talk about my viewpoint.
	Well, your viewpoint here.
	Okay, so your position, if I have it correct, regardless of whether the lander's stolen or not, you still object to deportations.
	I object to deportations of anyone who is not a violent.
	I don't, I think that violent criminals can be deported.
	Illegal?
	They are illegal.
	Yeah, illegal, violent criminals.
	So you're fine with those deportations.
	If it's literally illegal, violent criminals.
	I mean, I don't, there's no reason to tear apart families.
	Yes, there is.
	But what if they're all island?
	Like, you can't do it.
	What if we're not tearing apart the family?
	We just say the whole family goes back to their home.
	They're not doing anything wrong.
	They came here.
	They're illegal illegally.
	They're actively.
	If I just squeak, do you own a house or rent a house?
	Is it, do you have roommates or is it just you?
	No, right now I just, right now I have an apartment.
	You have your one-bedroom, two-bedroom apartment?
	Three.
	Just for you?
	Yes.
	Privilege.
	We should put a strip of clothes.
	White female privilege.
	Wasion privilege, I guess.
	So Brian can just crash.
	So I can just walk.
	Why not?
	Who are you to kick him out?
	Yeah, no.
	I'm like.
	Yeah, you don't own it.
	Hold on.
	I am occupying one of the empty bedrooms in your three-bed.
	She has a three-bedroom apartment to herself.
	Why haven't you housed any illegal immigrants?
	Yeah.
	I would.
	You would?
	Yeah.
	Bullfucking shit.
	Yeah.
	Wait, shake on it?
	Okay.
	We're going to go find.
	No, no, no, no.
	It's not going on thing.
	No, no, no, no, because I'm saying this on a podcast right now.
	But I actually talked to my grandma and I had a discussion about this actually.
	Oh, you talked to the debt?
	No, yeah.
	Hey, everybody.
	Let us know who needs a home.
	An illegal immigrant who hates homes.
	We've got two spare bedrooms.
	They are free.
	You know, she would never charge you anything because it wouldn't be right to do.
	But it can't be a man.
	No, man.
	No, it could be men.
	No, no, she doesn't like men.
	No, it could be.
	Wait, can we deport the men?
	Can we deport the illegal men?
	Yeah.
	I would have a feeling.
	No, I had a feeling.
	Oh, boy.
	So does everybody understand now?
	Because I get shit.
	I get so much shit about this.
	And I want to ask all the haters, do you now understand why I don't want them to vote?
	You also get it now.
	You have no proof of anything you guys.
	Neither do you.
	I don't have proof.
	Can I see?
	Wait, what is the proof you want?
	I would love to come back sometime after I've been able to do research.
	Do a debate with me.
	I will print some stuff out.
	I will write.
	You want to do a one-time break.
	I would love to after I have time to prepare.
	Give me a second.
	She starts prepared before this.
	I didn't even know what the heck we were talking about.
	I thought this was a dating podcast.
	I will give you as much time to prepare as you want, and you can pick the topic.
	And we will debate that.
	Rachel will debate you with a blindfold.
	Okay.
	And she has to be hung up.
	Do you drink, Rachel?
	I can't drink because of my hemochroma.
	Oh, you know what?
	She can give me super stoned to the point that I don't know where I am, and then I'll blindfold myself.
	Rachel will be blindfolded, and we're going to actually have her through sleep deprivation in 24 hours.
	We're going to have her listening to something.
	I don't know.
	Barbie girl on repeat for 10 hours.
	Yeah, and she will come and debate.
	Just as I need time to prepare, but I guarantee that I will be able to prove more stuff than you guys will be able to prove.
	I'm ready.
	I'm down.
	Honestly, though, I do think it's white liberal women who are kind of ruining the country a little bit.
	I don't mean, I don't, I align more with liberal beliefs, but I believe all politicians are bad.
	I do not like Bill Clinton.
	I do not like Hillary Cristina.
Stolen Land Historical Context 00:15:02
	They're Democrats.
	I do.
	Okay, but let's not talk about the people.
	We're talking about the ideas.
	The ideas, yes.
	But I don't think any politician is good.
	I think they are all corrupt and they all have alternate meanings.
	Yeah, that's the reason why.
	That sounds like other cool stuff you heard someone say.
	I'm so ready to use it.
	Okay, but what about the will of the people that don't want illegal immigrants in this country?
	What?
	The will of the people.
	Okay, but you're saying.
	Well, I don't like politicians.
	Okay, cool.
	That aside, if there's a will of the people that they don't want illegal immigrants in this country, then you have to contend with that, not just politicians showing like all of these protests are demonstrating how much Americans are.
	Tiny, tiny, tiny minority of the population.
	The vast majority of us voted for Trump because we wanted to.
	There's also a lot of Republicans that are now regretting voting for Trump.
	Wait, I don't even understand that.
	They're regretting it because he's not deporting enough people.
	There's a lot of people.
	Yeah, he needs to step it up a lot.
	Step up the deepest.
	He's way behind.
	Wait, but I don't understand the argument of, well, there's all these protests that are against him.
	Therefore, he's wrong.
	We have a January 6th.
	She said they let them in.
	I want to go back to that.
	They did.
	They waited.
	Would they let them in in a protest?
	If that was a Black Lives Matter protest, they would not have let them in.
	They were destroying it.
	You're right.
	You should probably think about why that might be.
	Because they're supporting black lives.
	That doesn't make any sense.
	No, you said, I don't understand why they let the Jason.
	They destroy shit.
	They chanting shit.
	They help Nancy Pelosi.
	Just you should think about why they would let in the protesters.
	You should go home and let it marinate for a while, and maybe you'll come up with a reason why they did that.
	So they were chanting, Hang Nancy Pelosi, weren't they saying that, right?
	Yes.
	No.
	And they were.
	And they were in there and they destroyed shit in there.
	They were stealing shit.
	They broke like a keyboard.
	That is so.
	I need to look up some shit.
	Yeah, you need to look up a lot.
	I'm ready to look up some shit because I'm not.
	Yeah, you need to look up.
	You've been watching.
	So there were agitators outside chanting Hang Mike Pence.
	That's what I meant.
	But they were proven to be FBI, undercover, FBI, and NCFA.
	I would love to see those sources too.
	You realize there's quite a documentation.
	Yes, and I want to look at this.
	Yes, yeah.
	Okay, we have a super chat here.
	Brian, ask Chair 3 about the land stolen from tribes by other Native American tribes.
	Yeah.
	Thoughts on that?
	Are you just nuked or what's going on?
	I really need like an energy drink.
	Okay.
	We can get her an energy.
	Get her a little energy drink.
	Those purple ones are really good.
	Yeah.
	They're zero sugars.
	They're good.
	Energy charges.
	I think I'd rather have to do that.
	Yeah, but so I do you think we should return the stolen land?
	Wasn't that what reservations are?
	Can you like phrase the question?
	So about land stolen from tribes by other Native Americans stealing other Native American tribes?
	Stealing the tribes?
	No, stealing the land.
	I told you I need an energy drink.
	Yeah, so here's something to here's something to meditate on.
	Before the appearance of white people in the Americas, these tribes, these Native American tribes, were warring with each other for centuries, centuries before the appearance of the Spanish, before the appearance of the British, before the appearance of any white culture, right?
	They were warring with each other.
	They were fighting each other.
	They were enslaving each other.
	You can see this in North America.
	Can see in Central America.
	You can see it in South America.
	You had the Incas, you had the Aztecs, you had the Mayans, you had various Native American tribes in what is now the United States.
	They were fighting each other, they were conquering each other, and they did it for conquest.
	They wanted their game, they wanted their land, they wanted the resources.
	So the question is: if this land, this stolen land, passed through the hands of two, three, four, five, six, seven different tribes, and one conquered the next and one conquered the other, to which tribe would we return the stolen land to?
	To the final Native American tribe that had the land that stole it 10 years prior from this tribe that had been conquered by, you know, the Apache?
	Who do we return it to?
	I think it's far too late for any of that.
	Like, I feel like it's far too late.
	Like, it's far too late.
	Like, so much has been done.
	It's far too late for any of that.
	I don't think that that's not.
	I wasn't saying that that should happen.
	I just.
	Do your parents own land?
	Yes.
	Like, do they own the house?
	Yeah.
	It's not like an apartment.
	It's like a house.
	Yeah.
	And they're from California too?
	Yes.
	Like, they own land in California?
	In a couple places.
	Okay.
	Oh, they own more than one property.
	Yeah.
	It's very privileged.
	In other states?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	How many different properties do they own?
	Two.
	Okay.
	So one in California, one in another state.
	If a Native American tribe approached your family and said, hey, your house is built on our ancestral territory, would you be willing to hand the deed over?
	It's far too old.
	I mean, it's not my house.
	Well, okay, your parents own it.
	Yeah.
	But say either one day you own a house, but I mean, are you an only child?
	Yes.
	Okay, so I mean, you're the heir of your parents' property.
	So that land would eventually come to you, assuming they don't sell it before they pass away.
	So would you be fine with your with, well, would do you think your parents would give it to the Native American tribe that contacted them?
	Would you be okay with that?
	I don't know.
	I think it's, again, I think it's far too late for the decision.
	Because it's too late.
	It happened a while ago.
	If we're going to talk about stolen land and you're going to say there's no one illegal on stolen land that we can't enact laws on stolen land, if the land is in fact stolen, if somebody stole something from you, should you give it back to them?
	If someone stole something from me, should I give it back to them?
	Sorry, did I misword that?
	If somebody stole something from you, should they give it back to you?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So if your parents own property or you owned property, real estate, on stolen Native American ancestral tribal land, should you give it back?
	Sure.
	And you would do that?
	Sure.
	The reality is there's no fucking way you spend a million dollars on some property or the value of the land in the house is worth a million dollars.
	There's no fucking way that you would ever give it, give the deed to a Native American tribe.
	No fucking way you do that.
	Okay, but this is just you trying to catch me in something instead of talking about my beliefs on anything.
	I mean, we're still on the discussion.
	No, because we're still on the whole topic of me saying no one's illegal on stolen land.
	At the end of the day, my viewpoint is not going to change, and I don't think that illegal immigrants should be deported.
	I think he's trying to understand, like, okay, why?
	Yeah, like you say that, but then he asks this hypothetical question.
	You say, yes, I would give it to him.
	So in a sense, like, I think he's just trying to understand, like, your logic behind the fact that you say it's relevant now, but then if he's like, okay, so if Native Americans are like, can you give me back my land back?
	You're saying, oh, that's too late.
	It's too late to talk about that, but you're making it a relevant excuse as to why people shouldn't be deported.
	You're using the fact that it's stolen land as an excuse.
	So that means it's relevant now.
	You're saying it's too late to change.
	True.
	Then why is it relevant right now?
	It never should have happened in the first place.
	Yeah, it never, it never happened.
	You guys are talking about the past.
	Exactly.
	There's been more war and more very detrimental ways of getting people kicked out of the country than right now.
	I would go as far as to say everyone wants to talk about the world being really bad.
	I think we have evolved.
	I think that we are, I mean, to put it frankly, the fact that you have the ability and the freedom and the time to go out and protest for rights is already privileged.
	That shows that we are a lot better in the world because that would not be on somebody's mind 100 years ago when Genghis Khan was killing everybody and conquering land.
	And he killed so much people that the temperature of the world lowered.
	So he conquered so much.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like that no one's talking about that.
	Everyone talks about Genghis Khan being this great leader, but the fact that you're using stolen land as an excuse to right now, to this modern day and age, is kind of ludicrous in my opinion.
	You know, like why use that as an excuse now, but then go back and say, well, like, it's in the past.
	You know, that means like people, warlords, like Genghis Khan, he should be held just as accountable.
	But he's seen as like a powerful person and no one takes in consideration.
	Like he literally conquered a lot of the world.
	I more so mean, like, it's happened so long ago, but it never should have happened in the first place.
	I'm not saying it should have ever happened in the first place.
	This isn't the only country that's had land taken, stolen, whatever you want to use.
	At the end of the day, you don't have any proof that the Native Americans were the first ones here.
	What are you talking about?
	It was conquered.
	Do you have the proof?
	Yeah, you have the proof.
	It was absolutely conquered.
	I don't have it on me, but I'm sure I could find some factual evidence to Native Americans.
	But you don't know.
	Why are they called Native Americans if they're not?
	Because that's just what they were called.
	They needed for the victimhood narrative.
	First of all, respectfully, when Christopher Columbus came to America, was it called America?
	No, but they decided to call America America.
	So the natives of the land are Native Americans.
	So yes, you're proving my point.
	But how do you know they were the first ones on this specific land?
	They actually weren't.
	They were not.
	It's been proven.
	Foundational Black Americans can go back.
	They've gone back over 17 generations now.
	They were the ones that were here when we came here.
	But there were people there before them.
	So what you're telling me.
	Oh my God, honestly, bro.
	Okay.
	Do you think that should we just have open borders?
	Should anybody be able to come here?
	I think we should all live off the land and just basically cults, just big cult groups that choose their plot of land and they all live together.
	That's kind of like a bad thing.
	They have groups like that.
	Do I think we should have borders?
	Some type of borders, sure.
	I guess.
	We're having a border if people can come here illegally and have no repercussion for it.
	I mean, but there's other places.
	No what?
	There's other places that have border running around in circles.
	You're saying we should have borders, which means some people are allowed to cross and some people aren't.
	So you're saying that when people aren't allowed to do something, we should just yellow fuck it.
	Yellow fuck it.
	Only women.
	Sure, fuck it.
	But when you say some type of border, like what would be the purpose of your border?
	Like what would you want from it, ideally?
	It's to keep a bowl out, right?
	To protect you.
	What's the point of having it then if anyone can just go in and out without protection?
	Okay, then no borders.
	Okay, but I don't want to.
	It's because I don't want to keep having this argument.
	I'm not an issue.
	We're just circling around the same topic over and over again.
	I'm getting bored.
	I'm getting bored.
	She's bored.
	She wants to talk about small penis humiliation.
	Exactly.
	She wants to talk about ball crushing and shit.
	All right, we have Rakanaki.
	Brian, remind Chair 2 that in the 1970s, a black supremacist group, excuse me, literally stormed the Capitol with AK-47s.
	They held part of the building and were eventually captured.
	But ultimately, many were released and their guns were returned to them.
	Chair 2 assumed racism.
	True.
	that was also in 1970 and we are in 20 wait I love this wait I love this How long ago did we steal the land from Native Americans?
	I have no fucking clue.
	It doesn't matter, though, because it happens a long time ago.
	The fact of the matter is it's fucked up.
	Wait, can I ask you a question?
	Can I ask you a question?
	I would love to know.
	When did slavery happen?
	Oh, brother.
	I don't know.
	It was a long time ago.
	Wait, Was it the 1970s?
	No, no, no, no.
	Was it the 1970s?
	Actually, I'm thinking.
	Wasn't it 1776 around there?
	Around there?
	Was I wrong?
	I don't know.
	I have no clue.
	Okay, it was hundreds of years ago, right?
	I have no fucking idea.
	Yeah, so it happened a long time ago, so it doesn't matter then.
	Is that your point?
	No, that's not what I'm saying.
	You were saying, because you, okay, you're saying it happened a long time ago, so it does matter.
	Slavery does matter.
	But you're like, oh my God, 1970, that's why are we talking about that?
	I'm thinking it's a different timeframe.
	So when that happened in 1970s and then it happened again in 2020, it's a – that's – what is that, 50 years?
	I mean that's – Okay, guys.
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	Speaking of TTS, we have based Justin here.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Based Justin donated $200.
	Thank you, dude.
	I'm happy to offer up a therapeutic.
	I can certainly arrange for you both to get denaturalized and reported to whatever land you think belongs to you.
	Let's go.
	English is the official language of Uganda.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Ultimately, I'm going to go to the next one.
	Can I go to Iceland?
	I would love to go to Iceland.
	Can I be in the middle of the day?
	Of course, Iceland.
	Oh, really quick, I need to do a few shout-outs here.
	We have John Straight, thank you for the 25 on Venmo.
	Michael W, thank you for the 25 on Venmo.
	I think you sent it twice.
	Thank for the double 25 on Venmo.
Consent Regarding Feet Touching 00:03:07
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	Kristen, thank for the 10 on Cash App.
	Kristen M, thank you.
	And Christian L, thank for the one.
	Appreciate it, guys.
	Okay.
	Let's get, you know what?
	Let's get into some dating stuff really quick.
	Before the show started, you guys were having girl talk a little bit, and I heard somebody say, I think it was you, talking about an ex-husband and you were pregnant and your feet were hurting and he didn't give you a foot rub.
	I was getting foot cramps, which is commonly a side effect of being pregnant.
	And he doesn't like feet, so he wouldn't help me get the foot cramp to go away.
	Okay, what does the panel think?
	Do you think, is it fair?
	You have a disliking towards feet.
	He doesn't want to do it.
	Or should he have manned up or something and just, you know, I mean, he could have paid if he was, he was the provider and the protector in their relationship, right?
	So I was saying to her earlier, he could have paid to go, yeah.
	I mean, if you don't like feet, I think that's what I'm saying.
	Okay, that's a creative solution.
	By the time I got to someplace that could do that, though, it probably would have gone away on its own.
	I thought it was wild because you mentioned your ex was a Marine Corps, right?
	Yeah.
	In the Marine Corps.
	And I was like, oh, but you wouldn't touch your wife's feet is wild to me.
	That, I think, is kind of nuts.
	It's kind of weird.
	But, you know, consent.
	If he doesn't want to touch her feet, he shouldn't have to.
	But that also being said, she is carrying his child.
	Just carrying his child, you know.
	You know, but I think like consent.
	If he doesn't want to have touch feet, he doesn't want to touch feet.
	Like, maybe he has a super strong aversion to feet.
	I mean, that's totally fine.
	If he doesn't want to, then.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I mean, I didn't like throwing up either, but I didn't get a choice about that.
	Oh, you didn't like throwing up?
	No.
	Yeah, well.
	This is kind of something that happens, though, when you're pregnant sometimes.
	But you kind of consent to it because you know if you get pregnant, that's going to entail some level of sickness.
	I feel like now, having had two children, if I got pregnant now, knowing that, but yeah, that would probably happen.
	That was the first time.
	Do you want more kids?
	I my daughter's almost four.
	I don't necessarily love the idea of three children by three different guys.
	Hey, I mean, you couldn't.
	And, you know, the last relationship really, really hurt my trust.
	And I feel like I would need time to get to the point where.
	Sure.
	But, you know, if there was a magic button where I could stop aging or whatnot.
	Okay.
	Desert Jorge, chair two is the new poster child for why the 19th needs to be repealed.
	I would love to fly with my face on it.
	Needs to be repealed.
	I will give up my voting rights for that.
	I'll give up my license.
	I mean, like, I sometimes do ponder.
	If it is women who are ushering in policy that will be destructive to the nation, straight sexist, though.
Height Requirements In Dating 00:04:46
	Just because I'm stupid doesn't mean all the other women are stupid.
	You guys have selected.
	Don't call yourself slightly uneducated, but don't say that about yourself.
	That's not kind.
	No, I'm just saying, though, just because I'm one person, that doesn't mean I guarantee it's stupid.
	Just because I'm stupid doesn't mean all the other women are stupid.
	I guarantee you.
	I'm okay with that.
	All right.
	I guarantee you.
	I just need, if I have time to look up some shit, I can be so much smarter, I swear.
	So you're uneducated and ignorant.
	Yes, and I could be.
	I thought this was a dating show.
	I was a musician.
	I thought this was a dating show podcast.
	I didn't know.
	You were going to have watched a few episodes.
	If I knew we were going to be talking about politics, I would have jumped the fuck up.
	All right.
	By shutting up.
	Going around the table.
	What is the minimum yearly income to be your future husband?
	I feel like I'm still really young.
	25 is young.
	I don't feel like you have to have everything figured out by then.
	You don't have to be making a certain amount of money in order to be capable of dating me kind of thing.
	Like my boyfriend certainly was not making.
	Let's just get some quick answers just to mess things along.
	I think like 50 grand is 80,000.
	What about you?
	$75K for wife.
	Future wife, okay.
	Yes.
	If it was a husband, how much would he have to make?
	Infinity for it to be a man, yes.
	All right, what about you?
	Enough to buy a house.
	Okay.
	60K.
	All right.
	What about you?
	50, 60.
	Okay.
	Enough to pay mortgage and bills based on location.
	All right, what about you?
	Period.
	I would say ideally around what I make or a little bit more.
	I don't like to say that exact number, but for my area, above average income.
	Where are you from again?
	New York.
	Oh, do you live in Manhattan?
	I'm at the border of the boroughs.
	I'm in.
	So Brooklyn or Queens?
	I'm in Westchester County.
	Oh, Westchester.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So a bit north, right?
	That's north of Manhattan.
	Slightly.
	Very slight.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, Rachel, you're already married and Andrew's doing quite well for himself.
	He does okay, but neither of us.
	Neither of us had shit when we got together.
	For the longest period of time.
	Yeah, you're supposed to grow together.
	All right.
	How tall are you, and what's the minimum height of a man you would date?
	I am 5'5 and maybe like 5'8, you know, nothing crazy.
	5'6' 6' really quick.
	Yes.
	Remember earlier when you were like, I don't care about looks.
	Well, here's my hype.
	If I were to ever date someone, it would have to be such a, because I would, like, if a very specific person came along, I probably would date him.
	But the thing is, I think it's either going to take me until I'm a lot older to reach that point, or it's going to take, like, it's, I'm not just going to settle down for anyone if I'm marrying them, like, wanting to be with them for the rest of my life.
	Wait, so I was right earlier when I said that you're a mid who's just like, but no one's good enough for me unless they're like a nine, like personality-wise, more than anything.
	I wouldn't say that.
	As long as he's six foot and he's got a lot of stuff.
	I just feel like I had to put out an answer.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm just confused because you were just there.
	You were saying that, well, if I don't, because you don't want to settle down.
	Like, you don't want to get into a relationship, but the guy that you would get into a relationship has to be like really good.
	No, he doesn't have to be like super attractive, right?
	But I just to just have like a fun little casual thing.
	Can he be shorter than six foot?
	Absolutely.
	That's to be in a relationship.
	That's my ideal.
	Wait, that's so backward.
	So like, sort of.
	So, okay, the guy you'll be in a relationship.
	I'll be fucking anyone.
	But if I'm going to shape a relationship, she'll fuck anybody.
	That's not what I said, guys.
	That's kind of what you said.
	All right.
	What about height?
	I'm 5'3, and I don't care about.
	Don't care?
	Okay, what about you?
	5'10.
	I prefer at least 6 feet.
	Like, 6'2'6'4 would be better.
	6'2-6'4.
	Damn.
	Would be better than 6'6.
	It would be better.
	I mean, it's like a sliding scale.
	Like, if somebody is closer to my height, they better be like amazing and all the other people.
	Can a guy who's 6'5 just be a piece of shit?
Misogyny Versus Traditional Views 00:13:54
	No.
	Okay.
	The higher you get up to the other side.
	What about you?
	How do you get?
	I'm 5'2 ⁇ , and 5'5 ⁇ , 5'6 ⁇ .
	Just at least 3 inches taller.
	Because I think it's fun to look up.
	Well, there is a thing, though, where women will, as the guy becomes more attractive, or this even has to do with height, like if he's taller, women will ignore red flags.
	Oh, yeah.
	Like, if he's the more, the more attractive he is, the more leeway you give with like red flags and stuff.
	So what about you?
	I'm 5'8, and as long as there's like an inch or two taller, you know.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm 5'3 and at least 5'4.
	All right, what about you?
	I'm 5' and I would say 5'4 so I can wear heels.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'm 5'6 and just my height would be good.
	Like my first little puppy love boyfriend was the same height as me, but he was really cute, so I didn't care.
	Okay, go on.
	Wait, hold on.
	We have Chaddy.
	Wait, Chaddy Annie.
	Oh, these are out of order.
	Wait.
	Hold on.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, no.
	His parents.
	Alexis, Lexi.
	That's you, right?
	Okay, hold on.
	Oh, okay.
	Hold on.
	Wait, let's see.
	Disagreement.
	Raven, you disagree, yes, about the views on women.
	You wrote that as a disagreement.
	What are the views on women that either I or Rachel or I guess Andrew Wilson have that you disagree with?
	Because he's here.
	All of them, yes.
	I mean, but I need specificity.
	What specifically?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I think women are great.
	You disagree with that?
	The way you talk.
	You fucking sexist misogynist.
	I think women are wonderful.
	I think women are great.
	You disagree with all my views on women?
	Wow.
	That's fucked up.
	Yeah, fuck women, honestly.
	All right, there you go.
	But, okay, what are the views that you find objectionable?
	So you said, oh, God.
	It's honestly a lot of Andrew Wilson's.
	Okay, we can dive into it.
	For sure.
	First of all, I don't like the way that he talks to women.
	So, tone.
	Okay.
	Tone for sure.
	Well, let's list a few before we dive into it.
	And he's actually nicer than me.
	He might be.
	Don't you think?
	You were so mean.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	No, you.
	Andrew's really patient, and he's usually like 95% of the time, he's very calm, very still, extremely patient.
	He's not.
	Andrew's a teddy fan.
	So you've probably seen clips of the one or two times that after like six hours of some girl just being absolutely obnoxious and horrible, he finally got a little bit testy.
	No, no, I actually watched like a longer video.
	It was actually on the whatever podcast, and it was.
	Do you know which one that I'm thinking of?
	It's the one where the girl is.
	I don't have to say anything about it.
	Where the girl is crying because she had like the not boyfriend on a dog bed.
	Oh, you were upset about that?
	Okay.
	Oh, wait, because she does that too.
	Okay.
	Yeah, well, no.
	So it wasn't even.
	I think what made me upset about that is that she wasn't even like, she wasn't even really into FinDom or anything.
	It seemed like the guy.
	Yeah, but it seemed like that guy was the one who wanted all of that.
	And she was just like, we already talked about that.
	And like, look, you can probably find times where I or Rachel or Andrew have said things with a certain tone or maybe we said something slightly mean.
	But your thing here was: yes, with you disagree with the views on women.
	I want to dive into the specific views on women.
	So aside from the tone or the, you know, we said something mean.
	What are the actual views that you disagree with?
	I don't think that women were put on the planet to be a wife and a baby maker.
	Like, I don't think that the only goal in life for a woman is to have children.
	Okay, look.
	Did any of us ever say that was the goal?
	Not that it was the only goal, but it was a very strong goal.
	Okay, so there's that.
	But before we dive in, let's have you list the other views.
	Just like a lot of different ones.
	How about this?
	Do you think I am a misogynist?
	I think you're a bit of a misogynist.
	Okay.
	Well, first we need to define our terms.
	What is a misogynist?
	Someone who is sexist towards women.
	Well, define misogyny.
	What is that?
	The act of being sexist towards women.
	The act of having.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so being sexist towards women.
	I suppose that falls within the purview of misogyny, although typically it's more like a I mean it would be hatred of women or pre or prejudice towards women, which would be sexism.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So in what ways then am I sexist towards women?
	I think it's just some of the things you say.
	Like I can't even think of them right now.
	No, because I'll watch your videos.
	Like I've watched some of them and then I'm like, that's sexist.
	Okay, but you don't need to like give me a verbatim word-for-word quote.
	Give me the essence of what I say that you object to.
	Well, I also don't like the way you talk to women sometimes.
	Okay, so the tone.
	But not even just the tone of the words.
	Okay, but could I say, could I say like in a really mean tone that I love somebody?
	Yes.
	Right.
	So, okay, but that wouldn't be sexist to say I love somebody in a mean way.
	That's kind of weird, but kind of contrary to that.
	You could say something really rude in a really nice tone.
	Yeah.
	But so even granting that sometimes I might be rude or my tone's all fucked up or whatever, yeah, I don't even dispute it.
	I'd probably do that shit.
	What is the content of what I'm saying that is sexist?
	Because you'd agree with me simply by virtue of saying being rude to somebody.
	Like you can be rude to a man as you could to a woman in the tone.
	That wouldn't be evidence of a sexism.
	Just because you're rude to a woman doesn't mean you're sexist.
	Women are rude to women all the time.
	It doesn't mean they're sexist.
	Can I ask you a question really quickly?
	Yeah.
	So you're upset and you think that he's sexist because of how he's spoken to women, right?
	I'm not upset.
	Okay, but you don't necessarily like that quality in him that he speaks to women, you think, in a certain tone or aspect or whatever, right?
	You think it's sexist?
	From your own words.
	I'm repeating your own words.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	But then you literally do that for a living.
	Like that is what you do to make money.
	Why is it okay for you, but like...
	What if someone...
	The women, but the women that he talks to on the podcast willingly come here.
	They do willingly come on the podcast.
	And many of them know the nature of the adversary.
	They know the adversarial nature of the podcast.
	Yeah, I know that a lot of the people that come on the podcast probably do prior research, but there's some that I've watched that I'm like, I don't think she knew because they get.
	That might be true, but how would that, I mean, even if it is true that she herself is, I guess, a hypocrite, and she, I actually think in some ways what she does is for sure worse than what I do because like I typically avoid insults.
	Sometimes I do, and many times it's playful jabbing.
	It's more teasing.
	But sometimes, yes, I've said mean things.
	I'll even admit to it.
	But you will do, you'll do small penis humiliation.
	It would never occur to me, by the way.
	It would never occur to me as someone who believes in genitalia positivity, my big media matter movement.
	I actually am contrary to you, I don't think people.
	It seems like we're doing the exact same thing.
	People, yes, people should not be.
	I'm doing advocacy.
	I'm an activist.
	People should be.
	You're so great.
	Men and women should not be shamed for their genitalia.
	A woman has an Audi, she should not be shamed.
	If she has an innie, I mean, women with innies don't really get shamed for it, but that's you know, it's kind of you know, it's mostly the women with the wizard sleeves, wizard sleeves, you know, that are getting shamed.
	And I defend them, but I don't you do small penis humiliation.
	I'll go to I'll go to bat for men with small penis.
	I will defend them.
	They could have a micro penis.
	Men should not be shamed for their penis size.
	And that's why I object to terms like big dick energy, small dick energy.
	Because I find it very offensive.
	For example, I think when women throw out these terms, big dick energy, small dick energy, you guys would take pause if men, you know, the locker room talk like if I started saying loose pussy energy or cavernous vagina energy.
	You know, you guys, women would take pause and be like, oh, that's kind of vulgar and kind of icky and gross and stuff.
	Or she's got small titty energy.
	Small titty energy.
	Like small titty.
	Like, I'll defend women, the small titties, big titties, lopsided titties, fucking saggy titties.
	I'll defend them all.
	You shouldn't shame women.
	You shouldn't shame the women for their titties or whatever.
	You shouldn't shame them for their labia, whether it dangles or it's all over the place.
	It's just like a flapping in the air.
	You know, you should not shame.
	You should not shame a woman.
	Okay.
	You shouldn't shame a woman.
	I don't know where I'm going with this.
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	But I guess back to the central thing here is even if you're a hypocrite, that wouldn't really be a defeater to, even if I point out that you also engage in this behavior, your criticism of me may or may not be valid.
	So what specifically am I doing?
	What is the content of what I'm doing that is sexist towards women?
	What are my sexist positions?
	Well, would you...
	Would you date a non-traditional woman?
	Um...
	I think even if I say yes or no, this wouldn't establish me as a sexist.
	That would just be a personal preference.
	Yeah, that would be a preference.
	But what is the answer that would make you think I'm more sexist?
	And I'll answer it that way.
	No, I would never date a non-traditional woman.
	How does it make me sexist?
	I just think that your views on women based on your dating preferences, not just because you have preferences with dating, but just your views on women is that they should be traditional, that they should always be traditional.
	Now, Raven, before the show, we had you fill out a questionnaire.
	Yes.
	And on this questionnaire, the first five statements are as follows.
	And we ask you to circle if you agree with the statement.
	Men should pay on first dates.
	Men should provide protect.
	Men should be chivalrous.
	Husbands should be willing to die protecting you.
	Take the bullet.
	So are you a sexist then?
	Because even you adhere, although you're a lesbian, so I'm a bit confused.
	But I guess if you were dating a man, you'd want him to do all these things.
	So you're holding men to a traditional standard.
	Does that make you a sexist?
	It could.
	So sexism is fine when you do it, or it's fine entirely?
	No, it's not fine entirely.
	So I don't think if you're a traditional person and you have desire traditional dating dynamic, I don't think that that's sexist.
	No, I don't think that's sexist.
	Or, I mean, it depends how strictly we're referring to sexism.
	I was more so saying that I've seen like videos of you talking about your preference.
	No, talking about your preferences.
	Which are what?
	Which are you want a traditional woman, which is completely fine.
	That's good.
	Because it's a sexist, though.
	No, for you to want a traditional woman, that's not sexist.
	But the question was, what are the sexist statements I've made?
	So if it's not sexist for me to desire a traditional woman, what are the other sexist statements I've made?
	I don't have a list.
	Well, again, I'm not asking for verbatim, but you've accused me of being slightly misogynistic, slightly sexist, it seems, or even on a scale of zero to 10, how do you rate my misogyny slash sexism?
	Like a four.
	A four.
	Okay, so I feel like you need to give at least.
	You got to do better.
	I need to step up.
	Rachel, I got to step my game up.
	What do you rate Rachel over here?
	Look at this shit.
Rating Personal Sexism Levels 00:03:04
	She wrote a fucking book.
	She wrote a book.
	Hey, the book opens by saying if feminism was a movement by women for women, then we deserve to know the truth about it.
	And that's what the book is about.
	So it's not because I, you hate women, Rachel.
	You just hate women.
	No.
	Does she rank higher on this sexism scale than me?
	Yes.
	What's her, what do you rate her on a scale of zero to ten?
	Like an eight.
	Wow.
	Why?
	Okay, all right, Rachel.
	All right.
	Jupyter.
	Because I said I didn't want you to vote.
	But I only said that because you guys don't know anything about what you're talking about.
	I will see.
	It wasn't your women.
	It wasn't just because.
	Wait, really quick.
	We got a little something coming here.
	We got a little.
	Oh, hey, what's up, man?
	How's it going?
	Oh, wow.
	W Rachel.
	Oh, shit.
	W Brian.
	My goodness.
	Well, how long have you been watching?
	Yo, Indy, you're a fucking legend, sir.
	Guys, we need W's in the chat for Indy.
	Oh, what the hell?
	We need W's in the chat for Indy.
	The guy's a legend.
	Champagne Pop.
	Yeah, man, thank you so much for the big champagne pop.
	I was going to be sad if nobody did a champagne pop when I came back.
	Thank you, Indy.
	Thank you.
	That's awesome of you.
	Indy's a legend.
	I think we saw you, what is it, three, four weeks ago with that situation?
	Yo, I try to convince that girl.
	Like, there's backstory.
	By the way, you never got back to me on the DMs.
	You never got back to me on.
	What are you looking for?
	Oh, I got some here, but wait, hold on.
	Is everyone over 21?
	Yeah, everyone's.
	Yeah, yeah, who wants champagne?
	I'm driving straight home after this.
	So to know.
	I'll be driving too.
	No?
	I'll tell you.
	Yes.
	Two?
	I can have a tiny sip.
	Actually, four?
	Just a little.
	Five.
	Wait, actually, I can't give it to you because you didn't disclose your age.
	Sorry.
	No champagne for her.
	No, you eat.
	Nope, I can't verify it.
	You do look young.
	You can't do that.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	You know what, though?
	Get her an applesauce.
	Get her a little applesauce and the Capri sun and some lunchables or something.
	So wait, so yes, yes, yes, yes, five.
	I want to look those.
	Oh, you actually.
	Look, there's a pouch.
	It's a best.
	No way.
	Oh, you're actually going to eat it.
	Fuck yes.
	We actually might have some.
	I don't know.
	I'm not drinking a juice.
	It's not juice.
	You want to get aid?
	Do you want to gatorate?
	No.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
Combative Behavior Not Misogyny 00:15:58
	You seem a little.
	Bro, shut up.
	I'm trying to figure out how it has to verify your age.
	How does it work?
	How does not show your age?
	You have your ID?
	I actually don't have it on me.
	How does not showing your age give me some?
	I think it's because it's like if she's younger or if they don't know her age kind of thing, they'll be like less attracted because maybe there's pedophiles.
	Men like younger than women.
	Yeah, you have an illusion of being a little bit more.
	I can have a notion.
	For me, it's a privacy thing because there's more things that I want to do.
	Rachel, while I'm struggling with that.
	There's more things I want to do than just the champagne.
	Do you want to take over the conversation?
	Yeah, sure.
	So since I'm an eight on the misogyny scale, what puts me at an eight?
	I mean, I was just throwing out a number, really.
	I thought we were just like joking around, but I mean, I mean, I wait, if we're joking around, why was he four and her eight?
	I feel like he does have some misogyny, but I feel like he's a little bit more subtle with it.
	Like, I can sense it, but I can't really point out specific things at the moment.
	I don't hear anything.
	Okay, so was there something I said here, or was it like other stuff you've seen, or maybe you haven't seen any of my other stuff?
	I haven't actually watched a lot of your other stuff.
	Okay.
	So, so I don't want to, I can't like pull it out of you, you know?
	Um, I mean, I feel like I feel like with the nature of who you're married to, I feel like your viewpoints have to kind of align, at least at some point.
	You know, people say that a lot, and the funny thing is, uh, hello?
	I'm much like, if you, if you think Andrew's views are like misogynistic, mine are probably worse.
	Now, I don't, I don't consider myself misogynistic whatsoever because misogyny means you hate women like without good reason.
	You just broadly as a category hate or dislike women.
	I do not hate or dislike women at all.
	Plenty of women in my life that I love.
	I have four daughters.
	But I hate what feminism has done to women.
	That's what I take issue with.
	I believe you said that you didn't believe that men and women were equal at some point.
	I think they have equal value in the eyes of God, but I don't think that they are equal on a lot of other in a lot of other categories.
	So I don't think, I think that hierarchy is the natural order of things.
	I think that there's an intentional design for this world and for human beings and that patriarchy is the natural design.
	That's why men are bigger, stronger, have the monopoly on force and should generally rule things.
	Women are designed.
	Now, you said we shouldn't just be baby machines.
	I've been called a baby factory on this show.
	I've been called a baby machine.
	I've been called just all you do is pop out babies.
	So if anything, I feel like I'm the one who's on the receiving end of the misogyny of the discrimination.
	I think a lot of other women, if anything, have looked at me and said really disparaging things about me because I have five kids as though I haven't done anything else.
	Brian, you're being disrupted.
	You're not disrupting.
	I'm not going to be able to do with my men should be in charge.
	Yeah, this is like the jar.
	Brian, this is sexist right now.
	You're interrupting her.
	Do you want me to open it?
	He loosened it for you.
	I thought it didn't promote her.
	So, yeah, I think.
	It's literally fucking stuck.
	I swear to God.
	Literally, do you want me to try to do it?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Do you want me to do it?
	I swear.
	I have freakish grip strength from many years of powerlifting.
	I'm kind of memeing a little bit.
	Okay, good.
	So, yeah, it's not that I hate women or I'm misogynistic, but I don't think there's anything wrong with the way that everything was done for all of human history until 100 years ago.
	I think the last 50 years is the weird thing, and everything else that came before it was the normal thing.
	And I think that it's very backwards to assert that, oh, the last 50 years is actually how everything should be.
	And whenever I ask people why, they don't know.
	Bro.
	Oh, it didn't even fucking pop.
	What the hell?
	I did get it off.
	That was so anticlimactic.
	That was real.
	Your face is all red.
	It was.
	Hey, I don't know what was up with that fucking champagne at all.
	Let me know.
	It was grease, it was.
	It was greased.
	It's greased.
	Sorry.
	All right.
	You guys wanted champagne, correct?
	Sorry, continue on.
	Continue on.
	My apologies.
	I will say that you've really opened my mind to a lot of things in a very logical way because I feel like social media does perpetrate people's minds, especially like younger kids.
	And I mean, we all know that the algorithm is fed to your liking.
	It is literally made so that you believe the world is exactly how you think it is.
	And the whole point of social media is to keep you on, to keep you distracted, to keep to for them to make money.
	And they're going to do it in the way that makes sense.
	And when you're like always being fed with, yes, you're right, you're going to want to be on the app more.
	Sorry, really quick, we got to do the cheers.
	Cheers to Indy.
	Cheers to Indy.
	Salu.
	Salu.
	Cheers to anybody else.
	Jesus, from the bottle.
	It's crazy work.
	Thank you, Indy.
	You're a fucking legend.
	W's in the chat for Indy.
	I still owe you one, Indy.
	You got to message me back on Instagram.
	You disappeared there.
	Okay.
	Why am I misogynist?
	Can we just get an answer, sir?
	Well, she's more misogynist than you.
	Yes, sir.
	Sir.
	Okay, ma'am.
	Let me think.
	You liked it.
	I saw that face.
	You liked it.
	Yeah, loved it.
	Oh, God.
	Explain it.
	Have they given an answer yet?
	Like, to anything?
	No, we're still waiting.
	No.
	But they haven't had any proof of what they're saying being true.
	They're just, you're both spewing it.
	Well, it's just that there's a majority.
	He literally brought up a stat and you were like, it's from 2008.
	It's from 25 years ago.
	That doesn't mean it's that much less true.
	It's from 21 years ago.
	But why would it have changed?
	In 2001, that is 25 years.
	No, 25.
	2007.
	I'd love it.
	I'll look up some more prints.
	In relation to the misogynist thing, the burn of proof is on her.
	Oh, yeah, no, absolutely.
	Like, if you accuse somebody of something, the burn of proof is on you to establish.
	I've watched a lot of your stuff and I disagree with what you say, but I do think you're mostly respectful to women.
	And the times I've seen them cry.
	The times I've seen them cry on the podcast, I feel like it's been when they're like low-key being a little bitch.
	Like you're like, you've never said anything that's like directly personally attacked someone.
	Like, you've never been like, you're a fucking fat whore or something.
	You've never said that.
	Yeah, no, I almost always, like, I almost never go to personal insults.
	There, have I probably, like, there's like probably thousands of hours of this podcast.
	We've done nearly 300 episodes.
	2,000 women have been on the show.
	I maybe one or two times I've insulted somebody.
	A couple times, maybe.
	It seems to me that when ladies have this objection, and believe me, I get it all the time.
	Andrew gets it all the time.
	And when we ask specifically what, they usually either say something we never said or they'll take something someone else said and then think that we said it.
	Or it's more just, I feel like you're trying to make women look bad.
	And what I always ask them about that is, how is it that I am able to come on here and not make myself look bad?
	This gal and this gal, look, plenty of women have been able to come on the podcast and not make themselves look bad.
	How is it my fault, Andrew's fault, or Brian's fault if they make themselves look bad?
	I think, I think the reason that I get a misogynistic vibe from Brian would probably just be when he gets like an attitude with women, but I think it's because that there's mostly women on the podcast all the time.
	Yeah.
	So when you're hiding, I've seen him get an attitude with a woman who didn't have one with him first.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I haven't actually, because Andrew and Brian are both usually really good at matching energy and they're both usually really, really patient.
	And it'll take hours of someone being difficult, not answering questions, going off into space, asking to repeat the just being difficult or bratty or having a nasty attitude before they usually finally just start to lose their temper a little bit and just, you know, hand it to him a little bit.
	Same thing.
	I'm probably worse with that.
	But I'm even willing to grant that there's been moments where I can be sharp with somebody or I can be a bit short or whatever.
	But I don't think that this would be a, this might mean I'm a jerk sometimes.
	I don't know if it would establish a strict sense of misogyny or sexism.
	Definitely not.
	No, not a strict sense.
	I think it's just the vibe I got.
	It's the vibes.
	Yeah.
	Like I said, I could.
	Like I said.
	Just, I guess to move this on here pretty quick, but is there anything you can point to that's concrete as to my misogyny?
	Not like a specific thing right now.
	Or even me.
	With Andrew, when people say this about him, I'm like, did you, have you watched the debates he does against men?
	Because he's way tougher on men.
	And he debates way more men.
	People have this weird idea that he only debates.
	You only debate underage girls.
	He's never debated anyone underage.
	He's always only debated women who said they wanted to debate, but he debates a lot more men and men with much more education, much higher status than him.
	And he's arguably way meaner to them.
	Alexis, yeah?
	Alexi?
	I was going to say I understand to an extent why a woman could view Brian as being slightly misogynistic due to the fact that for this particular podcast, it is, yes, a majority of women.
	So when you have a man coming off as being combative with a woman, I can understand why some people may be so quick to view very superficial, superficial clips as being misogynistic, but being compative doesn't necessarily make you misogynistic.
	Yeah.
	How about the way Andrew stuck up for his wife?
	Like that one time, I don't remember her name.
	Oh, yeah.
	She had black hair.
	Yeah, he finally sticks up for me and then when that's misogynistic, and then that's misogynistic, and then the whole internet attacks him for that.
	And it's like, pick one.
	Do you want him to be good to his wife or do you want him to just be this?
	It's they don't know.
	Was that the time on the phone?
	Olivia.
	Yeah, when I called in and told her all the things she got wrong and was saying that weren't true.
	He also didn't he like.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Olivia, you said you had one or two disagreements.
	What are those?
	I think I disagree with everybody on this one.
	No, no, no.
	But do you have any disagreements with the show/slash hosts?
	You wrote only one or two.
	Yeah.
	What are those?
	I think the way that people are rated, and it might also be because I don't understand the standard and objective that we're going for.
	And the way that I see it is some people are going to be more into someone like Megan Fox.
	Some people are going to be more into someone like Megan Sweeney, Megan Sweeney, Sidney Sweeney, right?
	They just like a blonde, big boobs, or someone that's not like that.
	So what is the measurement that everyone is kind of attaining to when it comes to personal preference?
	Or is there like this unspoken thing where it's like, no, no, no, well, if they have this, this, this, and this, then they have to be like that.
	Now, I know the obvious lines of like, don't be morbidly obese, don't be probably effeminist, don't have really bad plastic surgery.
	You mean the one through ten question?
	Do you get what I'm asking?
	Yeah.
	And a lot of people get confused on this for some reason.
	And the whole point of the question is just to see, like, do you have a somewhat accurate assessment of your own looks, or are you like delusionally off the charts with it?
	So even if you have different tastes, you know, maybe I prefer curvier blondes and maybe that guy likes really skinned, dark-haired girls or something like that.
	It's still going to be in a range.
	It's still going to be like, am I more somewhere in the average range?
	Am I more somewhere in the above or the below average range?
	And what you find this pattern of, this is what the whatever podcast is really good at doing and why I defend it so much.
	It's really good at establishing patterns of behavior that we see in young women and where they come from.
	So if we see show after show after show, girls who are clearly average saying they're tens.
	And when we ask them why, they're like, I just feel like I'm, you know, and they go into all these things that have nothing to do with their looks.
	It kind of lets us understand like what's going on in the psychology of young women that affects dating, that affects mate choice, that affects society at large.
	If all the women are running around going, you're a 10 girl, you're a 10.
	And Homath, my friend Homath, does a really great job of explaining this.
	Women will say we're all tens because the actually hot chicks know that if they don't call the other girls a 10, they'll all gang up on them and hate them.
	And the girls who are not 10s all kind of instinctually know we all have to all say that we're tens as well so that you know we can compete in the hierarchy in the sexual marketplace or whatever.
	So like women intrasexual competition among women makes us do some weird things.
	And I'm not even saying it's wrong, but it kind of helps illustrate what's going on with that.
	I mean, I can answer.
	So I don't disagree.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, really quick.
	Just pull up the thing.
	Oh, could you right-click on the image and do open image and new tab?
	First one.
	Tab over to it.
	Okay, click on it.
	All right, scroll to the top.
	So, I mean, when I'm doing a rating, it is based off of objective measurable traits.
	You have the facial harmony.
	Scroll down, there's the mid-face ratio.
	There's assessments of the eyes.
	That would have to do with cantal tilt.
	There's skin.
	If you're scrolling down, there's certain face shapes.
	You can look at the person's nose.
	You can look at their lips.
	There's certain ratios to the lips that are more desirable.
	There's the maxilla, the mandible, the zygomatic bones, the cheekbones, the chin.
	So there's all kinds of various features that can be objectively measured when it comes to ratings.
	So, yeah.
Racial Dynamics In Aggression 00:15:13
	I don't think I disagreed then.
	I think I just lacked understanding.
	So, thank you.
	Here, let's do this.
	A couple things from the questionnaire.
	We have, let's see, I guess going to Raven.
	This sort of ties back to something we were talking about before.
	Women can't be sexist towards men.
	I think you're the only one who bid on that.
	But you also think that white people can't, or sorry, black people can't be racist towards white people.
	Why is that?
	I feel like it's because I feel.
	Oh, yeah, I forgot.
	I can't have feelings.
	Hold on to the bottom.
	You can have feelings, but to the underscore Indy donated $200.
	I have no social media.
	It's poison.
	Wait, do what you will with your show.
	I am just a fan.
	So are you saying that whoever sent me that DM with your username was like an imposter?
	It was a fraud?
	I don't know.
	Somebody messaged me and said it was you, and it had like the same username on Instagram, on the whatever Instagram.
	So I don't know if somebody was an imposter, but then they stopped responding.
	But thank you for your TTS, man.
	Appreciate it.
	You're a legend.
	Okay, so people of color can't be racist towards white people.
	Why is that?
	I believe that people of color can technically say racist things or do racist things against white people.
	I just don't think it's to the same degree.
	It's not as bad when they do it.
	Yeah.
	Isn't that kind of racist in and of itself?
	To say when a black person does something to a white person, it's not as bad.
	No, I don't think racist, I mean.
	I don't think for that reason.
	It depends on what they do, too.
	But I don't think it's for the specific specificity of just racism.
	What about this?
	So a white person kills a black person because they're black.
	A black person kills a white person because they're white.
	Is that equal in terms of what would be the right word?
	Equal in terms of.
	Just as a hate crime?
	Like, there's no.
	Is that an equal wrong?
	Like, as a hate crime, just they don't like that person because they're black.
	They don't like that person because they're white.
	So they just.
	And they kill them for that reason.
	I think that's the same.
	That's the same crime.
	Well, it's the same crime.
	Is it the same wrong?
	Yes.
	Are they morally equivalent in their wrongness?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Can black people be racist in Africa towards white people?
	Where in Africa?
	Because there's also different places.
	Nigeria.
	No.
	I mean, black people.
	But you did say, wait, you did say that even in the United States, black people can be racist towards white people, but the severity is not as.
	Wait, but you said, can black people in Africa be racist against other black people?
	Did I say that?
	No, wait.
	I think that's a good idea.
	Okay, well, that's what I heard.
	Okay, well, can black people in Africa be racist towards white people?
	I guess that, yes, probably because white people would probably be the minority.
	They would be the minority and they wouldn't have like systemic power in the country.
	Like probably all the people in the government in Nigeria are black and they have the systemic power in Nigeria.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Using your own metric though, would black on white racism be worse in Nigeria than white on black racism in Nigeria?
	Because they hold this systemic power in Nigeria.
	Are we going back to the unaliving of a person?
	Like a black person killing a white person, white people.
	Well, we're just going back to you.
	Racism in general.
	Yeah, so your position is that people of color, well, you said that it's not as bad when people of color are racist towards white people.
	And I'm assuming you're talking about in like a Western white country.
	Yes.
	Right.
	So then wouldn't it be the case that in the black, well, an African gun, well, I guess that is an African country where they're black.
	If black, it's just been confusing.
	The black people, it would be worse for them to be racist towards white people than white people to be racist towards black people in the predominantly black country.
	I guess so.
	That's kind of interesting, I guess.
	I don't know.
	I mean, I've never personally been known.
	But black people in the United States can be racist towards white people.
	It's just not as bad.
	Is that correct?
	Essentially.
	Okay.
	And then the same with women.
	Women can be sexist towards men, but it's not as bad when they do it.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I assume that applies to all countries then.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Does it apply to all intersections?
	Like intersectionality?
	Like, as far as racism?
	You would agree that there are some women who are like more powerful than some men.
	Or women who have more privilege than some men.
	Or women who have more money than some men.
	there's a power imbalance like employer or employee like for example let's say there's a poor black homeless man versus a rich white lady so So basically, can a rich white lady would it be worse for a rich white lady to be sexist towards a homeless man than a homeless man to be rape to be sexist against a rich white lady?
	Is that the question?
	Okay, let's think of an easy one.
	Wait, I've got a homeless white guy is racist towards Oprah Winfrey.
	Wait, racist or sexist?
	Racist.
	Racist, okay.
	Both.
	Because she's definitely a very extremely powerful and influential woman, but she is a woman and she's black.
	And he is obviously not very powerful because he's poor and he's homeless, but he's white and he's a man.
	So you know what I mean?
	Yeah, I think that's wrong.
	Oh my God.
	What the fuck?
	Okay, you did circle here.
	Women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
	Yes, I agree.
	Where?
	So what are the rights?
	I guess why do you agree?
	It's going to go into the same thing that I was talking about earlier.
	Which was what?
	Which was what?
	Yes, the violence.
	No, it's the fact that I know, I personally know men that they feel completely comfortable walking down the street at night.
	Don't think any.
	They feel like they could take on a potential predator or that they really wouldn't be exposed to a potential predator.
	But pretty much all of the women that I am friends with are scared to walk.
	Okay, but what do you want us to do about the fact that men are just bigger and stronger?
	What do you want us to do about it?
	I didn't say I wanted to get hormones about it to the gym, but no no, but you're gonna protest.
	You're gonna protest about it.
	You know.
	You think it's wrong, right?
	You think that that shouldn't be the case.
	How do?
	If that's a problem we need to fix, how do we fix that?
	I believe it starts at home.
	I believe it starts when kids are kids like, tell men not to raise school.
	Yeah, I mean there shouldn't be crime, but it's like women are always going to feel like men could be predators against them because men could.
	They should always feel like men could potentially hurt them because men are bigger and stronger, like children should feel like adults could potentially overpower them, because that's just true.
	It doesn't mean the adult did anything wrong by being bigger and more powerful than the child.
	Men aren't doing anything to us by simply being the dominant sex when it comes to force, and I, as we've gone over the stats, it's like the problem of violence is more of a male-on-male thing.
	Overall, didn't you say earlier the least amount of domestic violence is between a man, like two?
	I don't want to sard yeah, that would actually be a point in favor of the men, showing that between two men they're.
	But you just said violence was most common between well, that is true, but not in romantic relationships.
	They have the lowest domestic violence rates.
	But so okay, really quick you, you listed one that that women feel this wouldn't really have to do with rise though, like women feel more.
	Even if it's true that women do feel more scared walking down the street, it's not the case that both that that men can, they just can skip through the street at night and they'll be safe, whereas if a woman just skips through the street at night, she's immediately just gonna get robbed and beaten and or worse.
	Right so, and in fact, men are more likely to be victims of violent crime.
	Men are more likely to be mugged, men are more likely to be attacked, and I think there's an additional barrier.
	So in a public setting like, let's say, you're in a like kind of a business, busy nightlife area where there are people around and it's nighttime uh, I think, if you compare the experience, uh the risk between men and women in that scenario, women are actually safer yeah, when they're.
	If there's people around, there's crowds, women are safer and I I think it's because of this.
	So, for example, if i'm walking, say i'm walking down the street and some drunk guy picks a fight with me um, and like, let's say he's like really big and like he's gonna whoop my ass, i'm fucked, i'm screwed.
	Nobody's gonna jump in and help.
	There's not gonna be any.
	There's not gonna be stranger, Stranger men or women who are going to intervene on my behalf like a superhero, like Superman and save me.
	I'm going to get curb stomped.
	I'm going to get fucked up.
	I'm going to get my head kicked.
	I'm going to get beat up.
	No guys are going to be like, yo, man, what are you doing?
	You don't punch another man.
	Guys don't do that.
	However, if you, little dainty Wasian bratty girl or whatever the fuck, you're at some like kind of nightlife scenario and there's other men around and they see some guy hassling you and he starts shoving you and he starts grabbing your arm or he like hits you.
	Not all men will do this, but if other men see that, they're going to white knight for you.
	And I'm not saying that's wrong to like come and protect a woman in that situation, but you as women kind of have bodyguards, like free bodyguards.
	So if a man sees a woman getting like beat up on, there will be like, I think that guy's going to get mobbed and the guy who's attacking you as a woman, that guy's going to get mobbed and he's going to get up by other men who are like, you don't put your hands on the woman, which by the way, I don't think women should be being attacked.
	And I think it's fine for men to intervene to protect women.
	However, men are not afforded that same level of protection from totally random stranger men.
	They see a man getting beat up.
	They're just going to let it go.
	They see a woman getting beat up.
	They're going to good chance someone's going to intervene on your behalf and protect you.
	So I think women in some ways are actually safer.
	And additionally, let's say I start a fight with a guy.
	I walked up to a guy and call him a pussy.
	I'm like, you fucking pussy bitch.
	And I fucking slap him in the face or something.
	I actually think, I don't know what the percentage is because this is just completely conjecture and speculation.
	I think you could walk up to, I don't know, maybe it's 50%, maybe it's less, maybe it's more.
	I actually think women could just like walk up to 10 dudes in the night and call them pussy bitches and the guys would never smack them.
	You would never get hit back.
	Now, if you slapped a guy, there's still some guys that'll give you a pass.
	Like you walk up to a guy and slap him.
	That'll give you a pass.
	Like you'll get a pass.
	Maybe it depends on how much they're drinking.
	I do think that the proportion in any case, like even if a woman is being the assailant, the guy's just going to like try to get away or it's not going to.
	But like if you put a man in that position and the man, you're a man being aggressive towards another man, you're going to get into a like that man's going to put hands back on you.
	So women have certain like protections, I actually think.
	I mean, do you disagree with anything I just said?
	Do you think that that maps on correctly?
	I do agree that in that scenario, if a man was being attacked, they are a lot less likely to be helped by other men, for sure.
	I also agree that there are some men who would definitely help a woman in that scenario, for sure.
	So you agree?
	I agree with that, yes.
	Yes, what I'm saying is, is that yes, men would step in to protect a woman who's getting beat by a man, but many of them would definitely, like far fewer, perhaps even none, would step in to protect another man who's being beat up by another man.
	They would just see that as like a mutual combat situation.
	Even if the woman was, even if the woman was the instigator, savage Mike Davis.
	That is crazy.
	Thank you.
	And I've seen equal rights, equal left.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I actually think, though, I mean, I would too as a woman leader.
	I actually think In a situation where the woman is the aggressor and the man strikes her back, even if people see what led up to it and see that she was the aggressor first, like let's say the girl like punches him in the face and he just fucking clocks her, which you might say, hey, that's not fair.
	But I think some men, even in that context, would be like, you never put your hands on the woman.
	Boom.
	And they'd fucking, I think they might still attack him even in that circumstance.
	Now, I think it's less likely than just the instance of like the man being the aggressor.
	But so I, you know, this idea that women don't have equal rights because women are more scared, I don't really know about that.
	And also, men are more likely to own firearms.
	So I think, anyways.
	So it occurs to me that men do seem to, and men typically own firearms for self-defense.
	Like that's, I think, the primary reason men own firearms.
	Well, primary reason anyone owns firearms for self-defense, but more men own firearms.
	So it would occur to me then that actually men seem a bit more heavily invested in their self-defense than women are.
	Men have a greater fear of some scenario that would require a firearm.
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	Yeah.
	I could frame it like that.
	Okay.
	Well, is there anything else besides that?
	When you say women do not have equal rights to men in the USA, why is anything else?
	What vote?
	What has there ever been a okay?
	Okay.
	You got this.
	When has there ever been a vote about what a man should do with his own body?
	Because now we're going to get nobody.
	I love it.
	No, but here's what I'm saying, though.
	I'm going back to abortion.
	And we know.
	We know.
	Yeah.
	So that's my, yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, men have to sign up for the draft when they turn 18 and women don't.
	And if the government calls them and tells them they have to go to war like they did in Vietnam, do you know how many men were drafted into the Vietnam War and died because the government said we know they don't want to go to war, but you have to do anything.
	I don't agree with that.
	You don't agree with it, but it's the case.
	Okay, but I don't agree with it.
	It doesn't matter if you don't agree with it.
	It's the case.
	Your argument is that.
	Okay.
	You said, when has there ever been a law governing a man's body?
	There is one right now.
	Men in Ukraine and Russia, I think Russia has lost 140,000 guys since the start of their war.
	I thought are they sending any of the women to die?
	Is the government of Russia sending women to die?
	I don't think so.
	I think that's a lot worse.
	You're entitled to your opinion.
	I don't know.
	It's worse than a woman not being able to have an abortion.
	True.
	Well put.
	It's definitely worse.
	Because the government is forcing the men.
	The government is taking away the woman's bodily autonomy.
	Whereas the woman, in most cases of abortion, she voluntarily had sex.
	And so there's another layer there.
	I wish we could change the conversation from abortions being right or wrong to let's avoid some unwanted pregnancies.
	Sure.
	Everybody knows how to do that now, though.
	There's not a personality.
	Yeah.
	Well, on the note of the whole misogyny charge and women are scared because the men are so violent.
	And you had said that you think because I'm married to Andrew, that means I must have this misogynist.
	So therefore, you're implying he's very misogynistic.
	And I thought about this.
	And when I met Andrew, I had just told you guys I got out of this very seriously abusive relationship.
	And he actually took me to a gun range and taught me how to shoot and defend myself so I could protect myself.
	That ended up being the only thing that got rid of the bad guy.
	So I think that's some good proof that he's not a misogynist.
	In addition to that, we were at a party one time, and a guy just said something rude and off-color to me.
	He was super drunk, and he asked me if I wanted to take a shower with him.
	I thought I must have heard him wrong.
	So I said, What?
	Exactly.
	I said, What?
	That's right on B.
	And the guy repeated it, and Andrew just calmly open-palm, bitch-slapped the guy, knocked him out cold right on his feet just for saying something rude to the lady.
	So I think he's actually very chivalrous.
	He also defended our whole family in a home invasion.
	We had a home invasion at night in the middle of the night.
	The dogs outside woke us up.
	There were people in our basement, and Andrew went down with a shotgun and scared them away.
	And they ended up getting arrested, going to prison, all that sort of stuff.
	So there's at least three times I can think of that he has heroically saved me, a woman.
	So I'm wondering, like, he's not very, not a very good misogynist.
	I saw that Tybon with the phone call.
	That was my first impression of you.
	And I saw that, and he really went to bat for you.
	Yeah.
	He's pretty awesome.
	Equal rights, though.
	Is there anything else?
	Equal rights?
	Oh, well, you mentioned really quick, just to finish off on the bodily autonomy thing.
	So, first off, abortion isn't fully outright banned in the United States.
	There's many states that still allow abortions.
	So women still do have, I suppose, restricted, to some degree, bodily autonomy.
	But as to the Rachel listed one of the ways in which men don't have bodily autonomy, and I think that that particular way in which men don't have bodily autonomy outweighs the supposed restriction on abortion.
	There's two other things, though.
	One is circumcision.
	So we don't genital mutilate infant girls.
	Right.
	So baby boys, they have their genitals mutilated upon birth.
	They obviously are not consenting to this.
	And, well, although this was a discussion, this was like related to the Dean thing where he like doxed that family.
	It's like, well, can kids consent in the sense of like for medical procedures?
	Like, obviously, a newborn baby doesn't have the capacity to consent or not consent.
	Well, I suppose they.
	Like, why are you laughing?
	Because I don't know where I'm going with that.
	And also, I'm saying, I mean, circumcision is the parent's decision ultimately, and I agree.
	Right, it's a parent's decision.
	But I think that if girls, if we were removing the clitorises or the hoods of infant girls, you guys would have a problem.
	They do that in Africa, don't they?
	Because they do.
	And it's wrong.
	Isn't it?
	But isn't when we bombed Iran.
	I can't say the word.
	I'm still tired.
	Circumcision.
	I don't know about that.
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	Circumcision.
	Yes, yeah, there you go.
	That one.
	That in men, wasn't that just like to prevent like infection and cleanliness and stuff?
	No, it was a Jewish religious thing.
	Oh my God.
	Have you seen what they do?
	They literally suck it in.
	I don't fucking hear that shit.
	I do.
	I don't want to hear that.
	Well, seriously, though.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	We know what they do.
	I don't want to hear it, though.
	I just feel bad for the kids that got diseases.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It is true.
	They can get the fucking, they have like herpes or something.
	It's disgusting.
	That's horrible.
	But yeah, so in that way, they don't have bodily autonomy.
	And then the third way, the third way would be, hmm, we could even maybe tack on the fourth, but the third way would be as it relates to child support.
	And so a man could, well, we did away with debtors' prisons.
	So if you owe a debt to someone or a company, in the past, you could be sent to prison just for owing a financial debt.
	But we did away with that.
	We said, well, if you owe money to somebody, that would never justify you being imprisoned with the exception of one thing, child support.
	If you fail to pay child support, which while it is technically true, women can be ordered to pay child support.
	The majority of child support payments go from men to women.
	I think it's anywhere from 93 to 97%.
	That's the so it disproportionately impacts men.
	In addition to that, I do think that if we were to account for the discrepancies, I think judges would be less likely to send women who are defaulting on their child support.
	They actually are.
	I looked that up.
	So of women who are ordered to pay child support, a much larger share of them don't pay, and a much larger share of them never even get like a driver's license pulled or go to jail for it.
	I went to jail for child support.
	You did?
	I did.
	Oh, shit.
	You're a tiny minority.
	Let's go, W's.
	Only be so because of J6, they sent me to jail for that.
	So they caught you on something else.
	Well, no, no, no.
	So they sent me to jail for that.
	Okay.
	And then all this support, you know, my ex filed and yeah, so he went for custody and all sorts of crazy stuff because of I got thoroughly indicted.
	Are you going to be able to like recoup any of that or sue them back or anything like that?
	I have lost suits right now, yeah.
	But I did, I did 45 days in jail for child support.
	Before the J6 thing, though, so you were paying your ex child support or her.
	I still do.
	You still do.
	Okay, interesting.
	Although I'm curious, like, if you were, hmm, wouldn't your circumstances have changed?
	I guess this is a legal question.
	Like, if you lost your job or your circumstance, your financial circumstances changed, then there could have been an adjustment of the child support.
	They don't care.
	They don't care.
	Well, so yes, women sometimes do pay child support.
	Sometimes they even go to jail for failing to pay for it.
	But there are discrepancies.
	It is a much smaller percentage.
	Yeah, so there are a way higher proportion of men who will get sent to jail for not paying child support.
	That is taking away man's bodily.
	There's another big legal right that women have over men.
	Well, a way that it's very unequal is that, and I have the study in my phone.
	If you want the source, I have it bookmarked in my phone.
	They did a study of like criminal offenses and sentencing with like 20 different states or something.
	And all the different crimes, they tried to line it up as much as they could where you're getting convicted for the same thing, like, you know, second-degree criminal sexual conduct or whatever.
	They made sure the charges were the same.
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	And they found that women had 30% lighter sentences than men did across the board.
	So there's that.
	Yes.
	That's, yeah.
	Women get a lot lighter sentences for the same crimes.
	Isn't there something to do with, I don't quote me on this, but I've heard something like along the lines of when a woman is crying, something with the man's hormones actually activates and they will.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh, people, people are so deeply uncomfortable with women crying that we're willing to literally destroy like all of humanity over it.
	Like right now, the birth rates are so low that we're facing like a catastrophic population collapse and everybody's like, shh, don't upset the women.
	I actually, a woman cried last Sunday on the show.
	Oh, really?
	Oh, that was pretty bad.
	Yeah, yeah.
	The whole panel actually rage quit.
	What?
	How did I miss that?
	I'll tell you what happened.
	So, I mean, I'll give you a quick recap.
	We were talking about looks and stuff.
	One of the questions, it was actually one of the questions on the questionnaire, which is number 12.
	A woman should not be rejected because of her weight.
	And she seems really offended by the idea that, by the way, I think it's totally fine for a woman even to not want to date a guy because he's too chubby or he's too skinny or whatever it is, right?
	But so she got really upset by it.
	And then I started like engaging with her in the debate.
	And it was kind of funny because I asked her about her height preference.
	She was like 5'3.
	And she was like, well, I would only date a guy who's 5'7 or something.
	And she'd only had one boyfriend and her boyfriend was 6'4.
	And I was like, well, you would date a guy who's shorter, but conveniently the only man you've had a relationship with happened to be like 1%, 1% man in terms of height.
	But she got really bent out of shape and then she started crying and left because of the weight thing.
	But speaking of which, back to the questionnaire, although really quick, any other ways in which women don't have equal rights?
	Nothing.
	Have you started to consider that perhaps your interpretation of the vibes was off?
	The vibes.
	The vibes are true.
	Okay.
	So you're one of those ladies that it doesn't matter how much evidence I present, what logical arguments I have.
	And you told me this.
	You're not going to change your mind.
	I'm not going to change my mind.
	So you don't care about facts or evidence or logic or anything.
	It's all based on how you feel.
	No, I do care about facts, but you're telling me facts that you're getting from conservative media.
	There's also facts.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	It's not from conservative media.
	I'm not able to show one source.
	I'm an approach.
	Well, that's because of the nature of what we're doing.
	If I could look it up, I could tell you.
	But like my book, for instance, I don't take anything from conservative media.
	It's all either the writings of feminists themselves or it's the NIH.
	It's the DHS.
	It's some kind of government agency or some kind of FBI crime statistics, something like that.
	So if I came to you with completely non-biased sources and could show and demonstrate and prove and through logical argumentation show you that my reasoning was sound, would you then change your mind?
	It would depend on each scenario, like each thing that you're showing me.
	So, and this is why I don't want women to vote.
	Like, I know, again, people think I'm mean for this, but I don't want her deciding who runs the country and what the laws are.
	I do not.
	That is, I don't want to sit next to a lot of people.
	That living under thing is not your tyranny.
	That's female, it's not your choice.
	Wait, I've got a question on this.
	You look a bit shocked.
	No, I just, I think everything you've said has was logical.
	Everything that Rachel said has been based on fact, logic, and had basis.
	And it feels like every time the questions had been turned to you, it was like a lot of circling and I don't knows.
	And I feel like if you were to have this strong of an opinion, there would be facts and basis the same way that she pulls them out.
	And that's just credibility.
	Yeah, so two things here for you, I guess.
	If we could establish that, like through science or something, although it is the case, as it is, but if we were to present you with convincing evidence, like actual proof, and it is true, not just conservative facts, conservative noobs, like actually true that life began at conception, would you be against abortion in that circumstance?
	But I don't believe that.
	I understand that.
	But so if there was, if evidence came out that is the case, that life begins at conception.
	Under that circumstance, would you be against abortion?
	I'm just going to say no, I wouldn't be because that's not how I believe.
	That's not what I believe.
	No, no, no.
	But if evidence, if there was anything that's not the question, but this is hypothetical where she makes up her own reality.
	When you're asked a question, just answer it, though.
	Like, you've been circling.
	But you're being asked a question.
	You're on a podcast, and all you're doing is kind of circling around and not saying anything.
	You've been asked 1,400,000 times.
	1,400,000.
	Go off.
	Literally.
	You have said so many times that women are oppressed and this and that.
	What is the difference between Brian and I?
	What can he legally do that I cannot?
	You can't answer the question because there's nothing.
	That's a great question.
	What can he legally do that I cannot?
	You cannot answer this.
	She can't.
	Go off, Queen.
	Is there a reason you're so frustrating everybody?
	We can see that you have nothing.
	We can see you're not being logical.
	You're not even being reasonable.
	You're not even open to the fact that you could be wrong.
	And you're just doubling, tripling down.
	And you're just being obstinate and difficult and you're frustrating everybody.
	That's what most of the people in this room right now have a lot of conservative beliefs.
	You just won't answer the question.
	What can Brian legally do that I cannot?
	We can substantiate answers.
	Not other than six hours to talk in circles.
	Just to move it on, Lexi asked you a really good question.
	I'll ask it straight.
	What rights or right do men have that women don't?
	I already answered the question.
	You didn't answer the question.
	What did the entire question?
	No, no, what right do men have that women don't?
	You don't have an answer because there's literally no answer.
	There's none.
	Do you know what the laws are?
	Do you know our amendments?
	Anything?
	When did women get the right to vote?
	She doesn't know.
	I feel like the only, yeah, I feel like the questions have been targeted right here this whole podcast because you don't answer questions.
	That's irrelevant.
	That's right here.
	So do you want to answer the question though?
	No.
	Because she doesn't know the answer.
	I mean, here, just so we just so I can move it on, quickly restate, because you said I already explained it.
	Just bullet point one, two, three things.
	What are the rights that men have that women don't?
	Bullet point it.
	In literally 10 seconds, we can move on.
	Just bullet point it.
	Or one.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Just let her talk.
	Pull it pointed.
	One eternity later.
	This is why she doesn't like men and why she dates women because only women will put up with this kind of bratty attitude.
	No man in his right mind is ever going to put up with it.
	You're such a misogynist, Rachel.
	I find this to be a trend that I've seen with women who are lesbians.
	It tends to be that they have this kind of personality type where they're extremely difficult and they're extremely obstinate and difficult to deal with.
	And they found men won't deal with that, but they can find a dysfunctional woman who will.
	So I'm just saying it's an observation.
	I gotta play something.
	You just got destroyed right there.
	Like, that's crazy.
	That was crazy, dog.
	That's insane.
	I feel like there's this habit of just picking up trending opinions and deciding that because something is commonly said by other trending liberals that are fed to you because of what you engage with in your feed, then it becomes something that you have to preach.
	And you even said yourself, like, I don't know why I'm protesting, but it's okay.
	People just want to do something different.
	What do you mean?
	We just want to do something different.
	Just feel it.
	Is that the whole point of protesting?
	That you want to get your point across, that you want to make a change, but then it's been over six hours and there's no point.
	And there's no key change that wants to be made.
	There's no nail being hit on the head.
	There is nothing being said except, I don't like the way you're framing the question.
	I'm not going to change my point.
	Cool.
	Why?
	What is your view?
	You have nothing because you've done no research because you're defending this whole persona of wanting to abuse and take advantage of men who, no offense, over 90.
	You can laugh, but you're still so uneducated.
	You have all this fake knowledge and no wisdom to apply it.
	And that's the problem.
	And it's humiliating.
	So, yes, the fact that there's such a large percentage of women like you on the internet, I don't want to look back at the moment.
	I'm almost done.
	I'm sorry.
	I think we will bulk mesh.
	Dude.
	Oh, also, when you guys answer questions, all you do is say, I feel, I feel, I feel, I feel.
	Never once have you given us a statistic, a piece of fact of any kind.
	It's all I feel, I feel.
	Not, I think, not, I know, not logically, not, it's been proven.
	It's, I feel.
	I should have done more research before coming onto this podcast because I didn't know this was what done.
	I don't know essentially what the topic of conversation was.
	One sec, we do have a chat coming through.
	Base, Justin, Denise.
	Thank you, Justin.
	Thank you, Justin.
	Brian, please refill C3's champagne.
	I've been watching a felony for the last 69 minutes.
	Hashtag cooked.
	Pack your bags, cutie, and say goodbye to whoever TFI guests might have tried to raise you.
	Oh, shh.
	That's crazy.
	Crazy.
	Yo, base, Justin.
	Thank you very much.
	We have a super chat coming in here from Mr. Northumberland.
	Can I have you read this?
	Can you read it for me into the mic if you can?
	Oh, most states have laws linking selective service registration to applying for driver's licenses/slash state IDs.
	36 states require an ID to vote at polls.
	Is there anything that government mandated and exclusively applies to women that could hinder the ability to vote or get an ID?
	Oh my God, she's rereading it.
	You're back to me again.
	It was directed at you.
	It was okay.
	I didn't know you were still back at me.
	Most states have a little.
	Oh my God.
	I'm sorry.
	Yo, thank you for the soup chat, Mr. Northumberland.
	She just might be illiterate.
	She doesn't.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	But really quick, guys, guys, $10 display, $100 read, $200 TTS, Venmo Cash App WhateverPod, twitch.tv slash whatever.
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	Drop it to follow.
	Drop is a prime stuff.
	Shop.whatever.com.
	Just like the video, guys.
	Also like the video.
	Also, debateuniversity.com, debate university.
	You want to become a master debater like Andrew Wilson, Rachel Wilson.
	I'm like a journeyman.
	I'm working on it.
	You're pretty good now.
	I'm working on it.
	I'm pretty good now.
	I owe a lot of credit to Andrew.
	You know, just being witnessing Andrew and also you debating.
	I learned things through observation, but I'm a is Journeyman.
	I'm like working on it.
	You know, I'm building up.
	I'm working on it.
	You know, sometimes I, you know.
	Is Senpai, the guy who follows the sensei?
	What's the name of the, or is it apprentice or like apprentice debater?
	Brian, I think if you practice, you could be as good as Charlie.
	I do.
	I practiced.
	I do.
	He gets a lot of practice every week.
	I think, you know what?
	I think to like, Andrew has natural talent, though.
	Yeah.
	He does.
	I think he's got some natural talent.
	I'm sorry.
	I know I'm a terrible simp.
	I can't help it.
	Simping for her husband.
	Hell yeah.
	But yeah, exactly.
	You know, I'll simp for my boyfriend every day of the week.
	I love him.
	I did wanted to ask.
	I'm trying to remember where this came from.
	She's calling me Rachel Will Simp.
	Will Simp.
	There you go.
	I love you.
	Do you think it is dating podcasts?
	Is it gay for a man to date a trans woman?
	No.
	That's.
	Oh, wait, wait.
	Is it gay?
	Yeah.
	So, yes, is it gay?
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Well, it kind of depends on like the trans man.
	So that's a girl.
	Oh, okay.
	So that's a woman.
	Well, that was a biological man.
	Male became a trans woman.
	Okay.
	Do they have a dick?
	No, real.
	Like, it's a trans man with trans woman.
	No.
	No.
	Is it gay for a guy to be with a trans woman?
	To date a trans woman.
	Well, I would say, I mean, just tell me for both.
	Yes.
	Pre-op and post-op.
	Touchy, touchy.
	You know.
	Maybe like four years ago.
	Yeah.
	Dude, I get called trans.
	You'd be surprised.
	I saw one on there that was asking.
	But anyways, I would say if they have a dick, then that would be gay.
	What if they have a whatever the fuck that thing is?
	If they've like been changed, I mean, like, I guess technically it's not gay because it's not a dick.
	But at the same time, like, it's a mentally confused person.
	And like, I don't know.
	Okay, I wouldn't want any problems.
	Before we give our response, we'll have everybody answer.
	Is it gay for a man to date a trans woman?
	No.
	Period.
	Not gay at all.
	Okay.
	No.
	It's straight.
	So it's heterosexual.
	Straight.
	Straight is slave for heterosexual.
	Duh.
	Well, I don't know.
	You're cute, revolutionable.
	You're like, you're.
	I was easily.
	Wait, wait, wait, no, no, no.
	Your ping is like 300.
	Wait, what?
	What does that mean?
	Like your ping.
	What's a ping?
	Like, you know, when you're playing a video game and your ping is like 400 milliseconds or whatever?
	She like fucking delayed.
	Like, there's like a delay.
	I mean, I'm tired as shit right now because I didn't sleep the last couple nights.
	I'm not gonna say that.
	This girl, energy.
	I just have to say that.
	What's the answer?
	What's the answer?
	Give us the answer.
	Okay.
	No, it is not gay for a straight man to date a trans woman.
	Okay, so it would be straight.
	It would be heterosexual.
	Yes.
	Hetero.
	Okay.
	Gay.
	as shit.
	Yes, it's gay for a man to date a man, even if he's cosplaying as a woman with bad surgery.
	Oh, my.
	You're by.
	I got to disagree with you.
	Gay.
	I would vote extra gay.
	Really quick before we get into it, we do have a TTS coming through, and then we'll get right into that convo.
	Stanny Boy TM, thank you very much.
	Appreciate it.
	Stanley Boynton donated $200.
	Despite her views and sexual preference, I will still do the brunette with my micro-penis.
	I mean, she's like, no, you fucking won't.
	No, you fucking won't.
	Here, fin dom him or bully him or whatever.
	Not for free, right?
	Like, not for fucking free.
	Oh, shit.
	She's not sending to me.
	Stanny Boy, send in another 200 to mit to the whatever podcast.
	Then she'll do it.
	No, I won't.
	Okay, well, anyways, back to the topic.
	So, okay.
	Bisexual and then not gay, not gay.
	Also, even if it was gay, why does it matter to anyone what someone's sexual preference is or whatever?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	So even if we were to be like, look, whatever, you want to date somebody in your private life, don't give a fuck.
	But if we're having a discussion about it, then what is the truth?
	I don't think it's gay because that person identifies as a man.
	I don't remember which man or woman.
	I'm tired.
	But either way, if like, even if they're trans, that's not a gay relationship.
	Epiphany.
	If you guys think that women have an unfair shake in the United States, women are oppressed, whatever, why don't you just identify as a man?
	Problem solved.
	Because I'm not a man.
	Okay, but that shit.
	The trans woman is also not a woman.
	Yes, they are.
	No, they're a man.
	No, they're just saying.
	They're not biologically.
	Yeah, they're not biologically.
	But if they can just say I'm a woman and still be a dude with a dick, why don't you, as girls with vaginas, just say, hey, I identify as a man, and then you'll get all that sweet male pretty.
	Don't I just bother you?
	But you could just pretend.
	How would anybody know?
	And then you get all the male pretty.
	I don't want to do that.
	I like being a girl.
	It bundles us because you like being a girl?
	Why?
	You're so oppressed.
	It's so terrible.
	Because that's so awesome.
	I'm still a girl.
	I think it bothers me.
	I guess it's not that bad for you.
	I guess it's not so bad.
	Listen, I think it bothers women when you said, you know, why does it bother us so much?
	I think it bothers women so much that we have trans men pretending to be us.
	It's like, you know, it is insulting.
	And there was a, I think, I think it was a little bit more.
	Like, do you think that this is a costume only for a woman?
	You can just put on a wig and you're a woman.
	Did you guys see that video of the 37-year-old week old pregnancy guy?
	He's like, oh, I'm still working and I'm 37 weeks pregnant and he's cosplaying pregnancy.
	And that's a disorder.
	Really quick, your answer was to.
	Your answer was if post-op straight, I think you said that.
	It's like a really blurry line, but like parts for parts, like it's not, I guess.
	Let's just say this: whether post-op or pre-op, gay.
	I mean, chromosomes don't lie.
	She's shaking her head.
	She's shaking.
	So, okay, can I ask you a question?
	We can frame it, and maybe you'll think that this is a bit tricky, some treachery, some trickery.
	What does straight stand for?
	Heterosexual.
	Heterosexual.
	So like the opposite gender?
	Opposite sex.
	Yes, opposite.
	Okay, so can you change your sex?
	You cannot change your sex.
	So just to begin with.
	You can change your gender.
	Okay, you can change your gender.
	I'll grant that for the sake of the argument.
	You would agree, though, that your sex cannot be changed.
	So the transgender woman is still male?
	No, if it's woman's transgender, she's a woman.
	No, but it's male.
	So, okay, gender is male.
	Now, I disagree with this, but for the sake of the conversation, I'll grant it.
	Gender is man-woman.
	Sex is male-female.
	So transgender women are male.
	Do you agree?
	Transgender women are male.
	Their sex is male.
	That's their biological.
	Biologically, yes.
	Biologically, yes.
	Okay.
	So they're still male.
	You would agree that when a man and a transgender woman are engaging in sexual intercourse as far as they even can, you would agree that that's two males having sex, correct?
	Why is that?
	Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, you just granted, you just granted that Trent, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	Are transgender women males?
	No.
	Wait, you can't say that.
	You said the biological chromosome.
	Yeah.
	Well, there is no other category of that.
	I don't know why you guys care.
	Why do you care what people do behind closed doors?
	Why do you care?
	Why don't we care?
	Why do you care if we care?
	Because why do you care?
	Why can't we care?
	I don't care about what you care.
	Why do you care if we care if I care?
	I care if you care.
	If we care, if I care, if she cares.
	Because you shouldn't care.
	I'll give you a reason.
	I'll give you a reason.
	Don't tell me how I should feel.
	I'm allowed to feel however I want.
	You've said it a hundred times.
	But you shouldn't.
	You've said a hundred times in this podcast, I'm entitled to my opinion.
	You are, but you're speaking hatefully about this pain.
	It's not hateful.
	It feels not hate or violence.
	Because you guys know.
	Our brainwashed.
	No, listen.
	Brainwashed.
	You guys are NPCs.
	You guys are saying it as though, like, oh, no, you're, what's the word?
	You're biological truth.
	No, you're not respecting their identity.
	I'm not identifying biological males as a biology.
	I'm not a purple unicorn.
	I'm not respecting her.
	Okay, let me ask.
	If you want to be a unicorn, do you want to be a unicorn?
	You can be a transformer.
	That's fine.
	Respecting.
	Yes, because I think every human deserves respect no matter what.
	You know what?
	My pronouns are your royal majesty.
	I will call you your royal majesty.
	His royal majesty, your royal majesty, go out of your way.
	Every time you even talk, you need to say your royal highness.
	That's the same thing.
	No, majesty, I do prefer majesty.
	Those are my pronouns.
	And adjectives or whatever.
	So if I were to refer to you, instead of saying he, I would say, your royal majesty.
	If that's what you want, I just don't know.
	And you do need to curtsy and bow.
	No transgender person is asking you to do that.
	That's like not.
	But I'll tell you why it matters.
	I'll tell you why it matters.
	Okay, so when it comes to dating, do you think trans people have a duty to disclose that they're trans?
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	They can't hide it.
	Why would you hide that?
	If you're really interested in someone, you want them to know, obviously they're going to find out you're trans at some point, so why wouldn't you just disclose in the first place?
	And someone who truly loves you wants to be a person who's not going to be a person.
	Some trans women are passing visually.
	Yeah, so why would that matter, though?
	If they come up and they're like about to have sex or something, obviously that guy's going to end up knowing that that's.
	Not necessarily.
	You don't think in the history of trans women, no trans women have ever tricked a man into consciousness.
	Well, that's where consent comes into play.
	What do you mean, tricked a man?
	You know if someone has a dick or not when you don't know what it is.
	They're post-operative.
	So why?
	Okay, then that doesn't, I mean, that doesn't matter then.
	Other than genitalia, what's that?
	Wait, wait, so just to be clear, so if a if a trans woman is post-op and has a neo-vagina, they have no need to say that because they are a woman.
	So you don't.
	I would consider that.
	It's so interesting.
	They drone the illness.
	It's not being hateful, though.
	They drone on and on about consent, but if a woman, if a trans woman did that to me, I would actually think that I was just fucking raped.
	Yes.
	No, no.
	Yes, absolutely.
	You can place it where you want.
	That's a fucking movie.
	Wait, wait, question, question.
	That's a fucking movie.
	Wait, question.
	So if you're consenting to having a person who says a trans woman is like super passing and she's aware of my podcast and she knows, like for example, I'll just make the statement now.
	In order for me to be willing and able to consent to sex, that has to be a biological female.
	So and if a trans woman somehow dupes me into fucking her, was I raped?
	No, absolutely fucking.
	Absolutely.
	So 100,000 people.
	Even knowing that this is my boundary for consent.
	If that's crazy, bro.
	Holy fuck.
	That's not rape.
	I thought about it.
	Sorry.
	Are you serious?
	If you like a bet, if you are somebody right now.
	What about the fucking thing?
	If you consented to having sex with them, why would it matter if they're transgender or not?
	Because a condition of me, hmm, this is actually, you know what, perhaps it's not strictly rape under the legal definition or criminal definition of rape, but I think it ought to be some sort of sex crime.
	But I do think it's fucking rape.
	Like, that's fucking rape.
	That is so unfair to put that and rape in the same category.
	That is so fucking.
	It's definitely a fair thing.
	That is not fair.
	It's no longer someone that's handy.
	That has to be the same kind of thing.
	Imagine you're making out with someone and then something just comes out of your pants and you had no idea.
	They didn't consent to that person.
	They consented to horror.
	If you pretend to scrape people, that's horrific.
	You can withdraw consent at any point.
	And if that person doesn't respect that, then that is rape.
	But if they consent originally, that is not rape.
	But period.
	What about the deception?
	So someone had a, how we were talking about innies and outies of pussies earlier.
	If someone had an Audi, you didn't consent to fucking them when they had an Audi.
	You didn't tell me your vagina was ugly, so I didn't consent to it.
	That's not the same thing.
	It's not rape.
	How much longer are we going to be here?
	What about?
	I mean, I need to go.
	You said that there was deception for somebody who wasn't disclosing that they're a sex worker.
	You said that's deception.
	Yes.
	I did not say that was deception.
	My standpoint was that if they, that was his point, not mine.
	Right, but you said that if you got into a relationship and, you know, you thought that it was wrong for them to leave at that point when even though they had, they had a boundary like, oh, I don't want this.
	They can absolutely leave.
	Everyone has an individual person.
	You can't erase what happened with that person that you, that was a facade that you did not want to hook up with prior to that coming up.
	Why are they any less than a woman than a biologist?
	Because they're a male.
	They don't have ovaries.
	They don't have a uterus.
	They don't have a period.
	I don't know why they're not.
	They had a penis.
	It is hateful.
	It is not so fucking hateful.
	I have hate for trans people.
	Would you be friends with someone that was transgender?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I have a transition.
	I have a friend that's multiple friends that are transgender.
	And then how are you acting like this towards me?
	Acting like one?
	Because they're lying.
	Are we not allowed to decide who we want to have sex with and why?
	Absolutely.
	You can't blame me.
	My issue is you saying it's a rape.
	Okay, what if I pretended to pretended to be a man and I got with a dude who was gay and later on he was like, what the fuck?
	You know, like, you're not.
	That is fucking not rape.
	All right, that's not rape, but no, I guess my point of being, it's not rape.
	It's fucking sexy.
	My point being is like, imagine how a gay person would feel, especially because we're going with the gay argument here.
	Imagine how a gay person would feel if they found that out.
	That would, if they found out a street person did that and they were like, what the fuck?
	Like, what weird fuckery is that?
	But the difference between you guys and me is I see transgender women as a person.
Trans Disclosure And Consent Issues 00:15:50
	No, It's highly rape.
	If I see transgender women as a woman, I see a transgender man as a man.
	I don't see them as being transgender.
	When did I say I did implants?
	Are my boobs real?
	They're not.
	Wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on.
	I actually, I don't do this often.
	I might actually want to walk back the claim.
	Because I'm thinking of other, so I think deceiving somebody while morally reprehensible and wrong, I don't think all wrong things necessarily rise to the level I've been mass, I've been wronged and I've been deceived and it's disgusting.
	And perhaps it could be some other category of a sex crime.
	I don't know if it raises to the level of rape.
	I wouldn't say rape.
	Thank you.
	I don't think that's what it might, though, but I because I'm thinking of other scenarios where deception is involved, but consent was otherwise given to you.
	I'm hearing girls lie about their age.
	Well, not even that, but it's like, what if a guy, what if a guy lies about his job and he says, I know it's not as bad.
	If they're flat out asked if they're transgender and they say no and lied about it, that's one thing.
	I think this is its own.
	Why should they have that?
	What if you lied about how, if you were wanting to be a doctor and you lied about all of your because this has happened, people have lied about medical licensing and have ended up doing operations on people's bodies without having the prior knowledge or the right education.
	How would you feel if you knew a doctor took that risk on your body?
	You know, and I know that sounds really crazy, but it's like the idea of deception, right?
	And consent.
	Would you feel okay knowing, hey, this person doesn't actually have all of the knowledge and research?
	Am I okay with them working on my body?
	Unrelated topics.
	Well, hold on.
	Related to consent, though, there is a scenario where, for example, let's say it's dark in a bedroom and a woman sneaks into, like a stranger woman, sneaks into a married man's bed and she maybe she pretends her, well, she doesn't even have to speak, but she acts as if she is the wife of the husband.
	And this could go in either direction.
	That is actually, and the sex is otherwise consensual, but there's an act of deception.
	That is rape.
	Identity deception.
	An identity deception.
	Yeah, so it is actually, like, for example, there was a case where a man snuck into a woman's bed and she was married and the husband, I don't know what the whole context was, but a man snuck into a woman's bed and acted as if he was the husband.
	And there was a so it was consent.
	The sex was not forced, but and I'm not articulating this perfectly.
	I think I know what you're saying.
	That is rape.
	That is rape.
	Legally deemed, criminally deemed rape.
	So in this same circumstance, perhaps there is an argument where something is so critical as to the identity of the person is being.
	But you still know who they are.
	They don't change when they go.
	Yes, you may.
	But then you only like women, vaginas, actual vaginas, because whatever trans people have is not a vagina.
	It is a vagina.
	It is not a vagina.
	It's a pseudo-vagina.
	It's an incursion.
	No time.
	The problem is in transgender.
	That's not a problem.
	That's not their issue.
	Their issue is in like trans people's stocks.
	Yes, not at all.
	Oh, boy.
	Okay, I've got a question for the pro-trans people.
	When somebody has anorexia and they think they're fat, but they're not, they're actually super skinny to the point that it's dangerous to their health.
	We don't reaffirm that and say, you should stop eating.
	You're actually really fat because that's what they want to hear.
	We get them treatment.
	Why do we do the opposite with trans people?
	Why, when a biological male says, I think I'm a lady, we don't just go, no, you're not.
	How come we are compelled to play into and play along with the delusion, which in the case of men is often autogynophilia, which is a sexual kink.
	Why are we forced to participate in their sexual kink?
	No one is asking you to participate in any particular thing.
	You are if you're asking me to affirm their gender identity, yes.
	You are asking me to participate in their sexual kink by calling him a her.
	There's dudes they get boners from.
	Yes, and autogynophilia is literally a kink.
	The majority of transgender people don't have it as a kink.
	That is who they are as their identity.
	Yeah, most of the males that transition to female have autogynophilia.
	They start with fantasizing about being the female in a sexual act.
	And then they want to take trans.
	Children that are trans, you think that they have some sexual gratification of being a victim.
	I don't believe there's any such thing as being transferred very easily.
	I think that's mothers that push that indoctrination.
	We do have a TTS.
	We do have a TTS coming here.
	Paincakes donated $200.
	Thank you, man.
	Is it morally acceptable to knowingly withhold information that would meaningfully impact consent in a sexual setting?
	Is deception acceptable in the context of sexual consent?
	It seems to be a bit of a gray area, to be honest, on some of these things that I'm not, I personally am not quite sure on.
	But well, in the terms of the legal implications, morally, I think deception is always going to be wrong to varying degrees.
	And yes, certainly knowingly withholding information that would meaningfully impact consent would be morally unacceptable, whether it rises to some sort of criminal or legal level issues.
	How should you know?
	Hey, if the person knew this piece of information, they would definitely not consent.
	But I'm not going to tell them.
	That's a screen.
	If they know it, but why would they want to be with someone?
	Oops, sorry.
	Why would they want to be with someone that they know is going to hate them when they figure out?
	Because people are on a sex.
	Because they go, I told you you like trans people.
	I just.
	And there's this weird vengeance about.
	I don't think I've ever heard of a real-life scenario of that actually happening.
	Well, okay, so if you're a trans woman and you're attracted to men, most straight men don't want to fuck trans women.
	Okay.
	So, just, but you can't.
	But wait, wait, wait.
	And they don't have to.
	Hold on.
	Well, yeah, but.
	But then why would you say it's okay to withhold transformations?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Do you think men, like straight men, sometimes lie to women about their intention, their long-term intentions in furtherance of getting laid?
	Yes.
	Like, so, for example, a girl might be like, listen, I'm looking for something serious.
	And, and by the way, I think this is wrong when men do this.
	The man might be like, oh, yeah, of course, babe.
	I'm looking, I want a girlfriend.
	I'm looking for something.
	That happens all the time.
	It happens all the time.
	And I do think it's wrong, right?
	It's wrong.
	I mean, it's wrong, but it's also like not that big of a deal.
	Like, it's fucked up.
	I think it's a good idea.
	I think it's bad.
	I've had that happen to me so many times.
	It is not that big of a bad thing.
	Wait, wait, you don't want the relationship, though.
	No, but I still hang out with people and then they'll be like, oh, I want to hang out with you more.
	I want to take you on a date.
	I want to treat you right.
	And then I just hit it.
	And then they hit.
	Okay, so.
	I say no.
	That's not them saying no.
	I want that to be clear.
	I don't want that.
	Because you're the bad person.
	I'm not going to be a bad bad man.
	I am a bad person.
	I would love to.
	Just to be clear.
	So you don't think that there's anything that you're doing.
	I think it's amazing that you think you're so cute right now.
	I just want to get so amusing.
	I want to go to bed.
	That's just so amusing that you both think you're so fucking cute.
	Because you guys are flat out wrong.
	What are they wrong about when you can't even directly answer that?
	I have a question.
	It's a good question.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Okay, so let's say Brian, let's change the situation.
	Brian takes a trans person home, doesn't know that they're trans, winds up having sex with them.
	Then he decides that he's going to punch them and beat the shit out of them because they didn't tell him and they raped him, right?
	Brian accountable at that point for a hate crime and assaulting that person, a transgender, a protected whatever, because of what happened because he's angry and lashed out because they didn't tell him the truth and then they violated him.
	That's not rape and that is automatically.
	It's not rape, but it's assumption and it's sexual assault.
	I would probably not sexual assault, but him being a shit ass woman.
	Even if somebody has treaded on you, I would still probably be found guilty of some sort of assault or battery or something.
	Even in that situation, you would never do that.
	Now, but I do think, even for the trans person's own safety, it would be beneficial to them to actually do a disclosure to prevent them from some.
	Like, I could see some men being like, whoa, this is, you basically induced me into a homosexual act.
	Some men might like become violent in that situation.
	Now, look, I don't think you should that's a terrible situation to be in.
	Like, you should cover your bases.
	You probably shouldn't be assaulting people in that situation.
	I wouldn't be surprised if it happened, though.
	Like, if a trans person duped some straight person into sex, like, you got to watch out for yourself as a trans person.
	You might get your fucking shit.
	I've never seen a trans person that, like, it hasn't been like pretty well known that they're trans.
	Like, I feel like most trans people say they're trans, and you can tell that they're trans.
	I don't think I've ever seen one transition.
	I'm sorry.
	But exploring a scenario, exploring a scenario where, because you were asking, why do why does it matter?
	Well, because if everybody thought, like you, straight men would be getting duped into having sex, and you would, your position is trans people have no duty or obligation to disclose.
	That's your position.
	That's why it matters because I don't want to fuck, no offense, I don't want to fuck a trans person.
	I like natural pussy.
	Can I just add something real quick?
	Yes, natural pussy supremacist.
	You should ask that.
	Let's say, hypothetically, I was into women and matched someone on an app, met them at a bar, who cares.
	Talking to you for a while, we start to get intimate, and you whip out a fucking dick.
	Then you have every right to leave.
	That's no, no, no, it's not just every right to leave.
	Do you know how fucking scary that would be as a woman to just think that I'm going into something and now there's this huge dick flopping in my face or something?
	Ooh, that's good, Lexi.
	I have something on there, Lexi.
	That's good, Lexi.
	And it's scary.
	Like, if I were into women and suddenly you pull your pants out and I see a dick, I think I'm going to get fucked up.
	I'm scared.
	I don't know what's going on.
	You deceived me.
	Like, absolutely not.
	And just because I'm a woman, doesn't make it more scary if a man goes out with what they think is a woman, who too pulls a dick out.
	Scary.
	Sword fight.
	Yeah, wait, on that, you're lesbian.
	You're lesbian.
	So your point was that the trans people have no duty to disclose.
	Is that correct?
	Yes.
	Is it possible that a sex act could occur in the dark, where, for example, like you would agree that, say, this trans person, that's super passing and they are post-operative and they have a vagina and we're getting down to business in the dark and I might not even be able to.
	Well, would it still be?
	Would it still bother you if they're pre-operative?
	I should frame it like that.
	I feel, like you, this, all these situations are so hypothetical because you will never.
	That's how you test logic.
	Answer the question.
	Answer the question so I can get through it.
	You will never, you'll never pick someone up that is trans and you will not know that they are.
	I was a literal lion.
	But so, just for the sake of moving things on, engage with the hypothetical.
	Okay, what's the hypothetical?
	I forgot.
	Okay, so is it conceivable that I could this trans woman could be pre-op.
	Hmm.
	How about so?
	They have a dick, right?
	Yeah, I feel like this plays out a little differently in the scenario I'm about to give, but it's getting because it's a bit different.
	The physiology is a little different.
	Let me use the post-op one.
	Okay, so post-operatively, it's dark.
	Could it be possible that I engage in a sex act with a trans woman without knowing that she's trans?
	Would you ever sleep with someone without having a relationship with them?
	Like, would you just have a one-night stand?
	Like, is this a situation where it's a one-night stand, or like, this is someone you've been like going out with?
	That's my only question.
	If it's a one-night stand?
	It's baked in that we're talking about a scenario in which a trans person is not disclosing.
	That's the scenario.
	What about in the case of a BJ?
	What if the trans woman gives you a BJ and later you find out that's a dude?
	We'll go there, but really quick, let me just get an answer on that.
	I forgot what you said.
	Okay, so is it possible that I could end up having, without there being a disclosure and not knowing, could I end up having sex with the post-op trans woman?
	Yes, in this type of transition.
	Yeah, so I could insert my penis into their inverted fucking gig.
	I could insert my penis into their fake neo-vagina.
	It's just a fucking inside-out rectum.
	Yeah.
	Or testicles.
	That's possible, right?
	So she's lesbian.
	You're lesbian, right?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Inside-out.
	So would it be, would you have some sort of objection?
	And you realize, like, maybe you're not getting handsy with the trans person beforehand, right?
	So could it be possible then that same scenario that I painted, she's with a pre-operative trans woman, and that trans woman, she's a lesbian, by the way, that trans woman slides a penis into her vagina.
	That would not happen.
	It could definitely happen.
	It could definitely happen.
	It has.
	I know some, like, what's upsetting me is like, I know.
	Hold on.
	It could happen.
	I feel like if that were to happen, the other party would have had to be incredibly intoxicated to not notice that their partner had a penis before they put it inside of them.
	And in that case, that would have been.
	You could just be making out and thinking about it.
	And then all of a sudden there's just a dick that's inside of you.
	That's not how it works.
	Yes.
	You know what I mean?
	No.
	No.
	Women often wear dresses.
	It's not like you have to take less.
	It sounds like you guys have never had sex because a penis doesn't just come out of the pants and go immediately into a virgin sex.
	You've never made transparent.
	It literally does do that.
	You can see it.
	It happens to me almost every day.
	What are you talking about?
	It's crazy.
	Penis comes right out and goes right in.
	Yes, that's how it works.
	So do you mean trans woman?
	You would see it before that happened.
	You'd be like, wait, not if you're in the dog and you're laying next to each other.
	That's crazy.
	Absolutely crazy.
	You've never just been spooning a guy and then just.
	But you would feel a boner.
	Wouldn't you?
	Would you?
	So it's not a woman, but you can see that it's not.
	So has a lesbian been raped?
	A lesbian?
	She doesn't.
	She does not want a penis inside of her, but it's a trans woman who's pretty much.
	If this happened and she did not want a penis inside of her and she did not consent, then yes, that would be rape.
	But I just don't think that would ever happen.
	Only rape if it happens to the girl.
	No, because a lesbian, that that lesbian even likes penetration.
	Oh my god.
	Because at that we're saying you weren't expecting it.
	No, no, look what I'm saying.
	You think you're spooning with your lesbian girlfriend, you know, you're spooning.
	She's behind you and you think you're cuddling and she's rubbing your back and then suddenly, you know, just because you're naked, you know, you're naked in the bed and you're spooning and then just, whoop, oopsie.
	Yeah.
	What if that happens?
	What if you have to do that?
Rejecting Partners Because They Are Trans 00:14:54
	I think that you guys are the ones that have never had sex.
	This is so irrelevant, though.
	Like, I've never had sex with someone before.
	Like, if I was going to have sex with someone, I would know if they did or did not have a penis.
	Not necessarily I. How would you know if they had never got...
	I promise you, I know in real life, seeing them in the flesh, in a bikini, couldn't find the very large penis that they had.
	Some of them are really good at touching.
	I don't know how I don't know where a guy is showing you how to tape it.
	It's not sexual.
	There was no non-showing, honestly.
	I do want to move it on a little bit, but just to be clear, your guys'.
	I'm estrogen, too.
	It gets small.
	Your guys' position on this is that it is, in fact, it's not gay for a man, two males to have sex.
	If they're both consenting, no, it is not gay.
	Even if it's consenting, no, it's not gay.
	That is not gay because if it's trans, then.
	Really quick, let me walk through this again.
	So, okay.
	So a man with a trans woman who's male, two males, two males having sex.
	So homosexual means two males having sex or two females having sex.
	That's homosexual.
	I think that it has to do with gender.
	It's not what it's not.
	Sexuality, sexuality pertains to sex, not gender.
	It would be homogenderal if we're talking about gender.
	It's just not the modern day we live in.
	Well, you guys are, that's crazy, dude.
	Crazy.
	Okay.
	What is a woman?
	What is a woman?
	Yeah, what is a woman?
	Whatever the chromosomes are.
	I don't remember if it's the XX or the XY, but whatever it is.
	The chromosomes, and that is what a biological, or are we talking about female?
	No, women.
	Woman.
	Woman would be someone that identifies as a woman.
	A woman is somebody.
	A cat is a fucking cat.
	Okay, super helpful.
	My gender fluid cat.
	I don't know.
	What is a woman?
	I can't spay my cat.
	She identifies it as a woman.
	What is a woman?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Just say it.
	Say it, say, say, say it, say it.
	Everyone in this room right now, we're at this table besides you.
	Okay.
	What is a woman?
	I think it can have multiple definitions.
	Biologically, it's with the X chromosome.
	XX chromosome is female.
	Exactly.
	Why?
	Biologically, biologically.
	Exactly.
	But I don't agree.
	So a man can't become a woman, though.
	Biologically, no.
	But trans people know this.
	They know that they know the biology.
	How?
	I've never met a transgender person.
	That wasn't their biologies.
	What two males?
	I don't know.
	And if someone feels like a woman, they are a woman.
	Why the fuck do you guys care so much?
	Like, why is this even a topic of conversation?
	Why don't you care?
	Because obviously you guys are never going to be a little bit more.
	Like, you're married.
	I don't know if you have a boyfriend.
	I don't remember.
	You didn't pay attention.
	It's fine.
	But either way, like, why do you care is not an artist?
	If it makes them happy, anything to do with it.
	Why can't you just be an adult and have a conversation?
	Oh, my God.
	Okay, I tried to give you, when you asked that, I gave you one reason, which is I would want that to be disclosed.
	Because I'm a heterosexual male.
	I date women.
	If transgender women are women, I don't want to date a trans woman.
	You're a transgender one, though.
	Like, what is the chance of this scenario coming to fruition?
	You care about all kinds of stuff that doesn't affect you.
	No, but you have cared about things long and podcasts long that don't affect you.
	On dating apps?
	So what?
	On dating apps, there's, I'm not on dating apps anymore, but tons of trans women on dating apps.
	Tons.
	And it's conceivable that a straight man could be duped, could be duped.
	I'll give you a few other reasons why it matters.
	Yeah, kids should not be getting fucking hormones and puberty blockers.
	Leave the fucking kids alone.
	They don't belong in the sports.
	And women's bathrooms or women's spaces.
	And the truth matters inherently.
	Yes.
	If we can't agree on reality, we've got big problems, and we're seeing that right now.
	Why are you so sure that it's improbable for this to happen, but also unsure of the stats behind it?
	Because I haven't done research on it.
	You haven't?
	Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike.
	Oh, sorry.
	I haven't done research on it.
	So my question was: how are you so sure?
	She's not.
	Of my real life experience.
	None of you have ever had this situation.
	Your real life experience does not equate to the rest of the world.
	When did I say I haven't?
	Are you listening at all?
	I'm severely doubting that that will happen to you.
	I don't care what you doubt because you don't know anything at all besides what's trending on Twitter.
	I've never heard this happen to anyone in my entire life.
	So, okay, wait, question for you.
	Question for you real quick.
	I don't care.
	It's not my problem.
	It's fine that you don't care.
	I have a question for you, though.
	How many transgendered confirmed people have you met?
	This is a two-parter, okay?
	In my life.
	How many confirmed transgender people have you spoken to physically?
	I think three.
	How many transgender people are there in the world?
	No fucking people.
	Exactly.
	I'm done with pizza.
	Pizza.
	I'm done with pizza.
	Pizza?
	Candy and gluten.
	Of course.
	I know.
	I know.
	Pizza?
	Pizza?
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	I'll have a piece.
	Okay, I'll order some.
	Totally, I think.
	Okay.
	How much longer do you think we're going to be here?
	I don't know.
	We'll see.
	We have some tasks to do.
	I have to drive home after this, and I've been driving since 6 a.m.
	Read this for me, please.
	All right.
	Jamo Juice donated $100.
	Brian and Rachel would love to hear your opinions.
	And guests, being called a misogynist today is like being called a witch in the past.
	Impossible to prove.
	Give your proof?
	I think so.
	Burn.
	I'll give like a 10-second response to this.
	Jama Juice, thank you for that.
	I mean, I think it's basically just a convenient labeling.
	It's very easy to just throw out sexist, racist, transphobic, all these sort of buzzword labels as a method to kind of tear down your opponent without actually forwarding any proof or evidence for the claim.
	And it's just, it can be effective, at least for that side of the political aisle.
	Yeah.
	Brian nailed it.
	Yeah, that was very well argued.
	Boom.
	Jama Juice.
	Again, he asks if you can read this one.
	Oh, is it the same one?
	Being called a misogynist nowadays is similar to being called a witch.
	Oh, you sent it twice.
	Well, Jamaju, thank you very much for the duplication.
	W's in the chat for Jamo Juice.
	Jam O Juice for welcome, welcome.
	We got Pasty George here if you can read this.
	Fake kitty cat is not only faking, oh, fucking gross and an abomination to nature, but is also completely disrespectful to biological women.
	Agree.
	Brian's yeah to the fake kitty was funny as hell.
	I feel like I have something for, I don't know, I can't find it.
	Yeah, no, that is, I do want to say, that's fucking disgusting.
	I don't know how you could call another human disgusting.
	I just think that's so fucked up.
	What about pedophiles?
	Pedophiles are disgusting.
	Humans, but look at my hands.
	You're putting transgender people and pedophiles on the same level?
	No, I'm not.
	But you're curious.
	You just called a transgender person disgusting and then said, what about pedagogy?
	He said their fake vagina was disgusting.
	The vagina was disgusting.
	The fake vagina was deceiving a straight man into fucking you when you're a biological male.
	I find that disgusting.
	I find it morally reprehensible.
	I think you have a duty to disclose.
	By the way, just to be clear, I don't have like hatred for trans people.
	I believe many of them suffer from a mental illness.
	Some of them do it for attention.
	They have body, is it dysmorphia or dysphoria?
	Dysphoria.
	They have body or gender dysmorphia.
	And I don't want them to be attacked.
	I don't want them to get beat up.
	I don't want them to face any violence.
	I want them to maneuver in the world in a positive way, as positive as they can.
	And I hope good things for them.
	I have no resentment or hatred for these people.
	But if you're asking me in a situation where they could conceivably deceive somebody into having sex with them, or you're, I would find it disgusting, for example, if a parent were to give their children in furtherance of gender-affirming care, the hormones or whatever, or puberty blockers.
	That is disgusting.
	It's reddish.
	The thing that's come out on that now is like that shit's over because they, for a few years, they could get away with saying, oh, we think that gender-affirming care helps.
	And now we've got another 10 years of data showing that it's really, really bad as far as outcome.
	You're not even bad.
	Personally, I'm very thankful that I was born in 81 versus now.
	Seriously, I feel so bad.
	I've always been a tall, skinny girl.
	I got teased for having small breasts.
	And I could easily see if I was born today that somebody would be like, oh, you're in the wrong body.
	I was a tomboy growing up.
	When I turned a boy, I could get whatever haircut I wanted, and I got a buzz cut.
	And I acted like a boy and I played with boys.
	And I had like a radical Marxist mom.
	And I think if it was 30 years later, she would have pushed me toward maybe being a boy.
	I don't know.
	I have the exact same experience.
	I was a tomboy growing up too.
	And I was super uncomfortable with my lady body till I was like 19.
	I wore boys.
	Yeah.
	And as a minor, if I wanted to get breast augmentation, it would have been really hard to find a surgeon or surgeon that would have done that to me as a minor.
	You know, I think by the time I got to have my brain fully developed, I was like, you know, I'm good with what I have.
	And, you know.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Pizza's on its way.
	Okay.
	So let's blast through.
	We're going to move off the trans thing.
	But wait, do we have to pretend that surgically turning your genitals inside out and pretending that it's a vagina isn't gross, though?
	That is not gross.
	That's super, duper gross.
	They slice it.
	Have you seen them do it?
	Have you actually looked up the surgery?
	Circumcision isn't gross then?
	That is gross.
	But it's even worse.
	It's feel to be gross.
	You're going to slice open a dick and flip it inside out, and then you got to stick stuff in there to try to keep it open and it smells and there's like all these problems.
	It's just no.
	And then the lasting lifelong pharmaceuticals you're going to have to put in your body.
	Yeah.
	Even take out the surgery.
	Like, that's not good for you.
	So, okay, Rachel, you asked a really good question.
	So you have an objection to the genitalial preference.
	Yeah.
	I have an objection.
	What do you mean?
	Well, so, okay.
	You object to the categorization that it's gross.
	So what about this?
	What if I think it's a gross for me?
	That's funny.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	What if I think it's gross for me to cross swords with not a trans woman?
	But a dude.
	Like, I would think it's gross to touch my penis to another dude's penis.
	Then don't touch your penis to another dude's pen.
	No, but is it not a penis anymore once it's a vagina?
	That makes no sense.
	It's not okay if he's asking if it's still, though.
	Listen to the question.
	This is not a trans person.
	This is a gay male.
	Okay.
	Is it wrong for me to find it gross for me to touch my penis to another man's penis?
	Yes, you were allowed to think that it's gross.
	Okay.
	Okay, so, but you're saying it's not gross.
	So if that same penile tissue is inverted into a surgically incised hole in the man's pubic or the transgender woman's pubic area, it's still the same tissue, you agree.
	It is the same tissue, but it's not a penis anymore.
	It's a penis that's flipped inside out.
	It is still a penis.
	It's even fucking genus.
	Because it's like a, now it's like a whole wound.
	A wound, and it's like, I'll be honest, this is going to sound gay as fuck.
	I'd rather cross swords than insert into a whole, like, I know you sort of fight.
	Like, that's crazy, dog.
	I'm so sorry.
	I hope you guys never run into it.
	I'm just getting into like a gilastomy bag or something.
	You know, it's like, it's just the fact that anyone ever thought this would be normal.
	I've never even heard trans, like, we've had like left leftists and like liberal and trans people or, well, we've had like two trans people on the show.
	Gorlock to destroy is trans.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I've never heard someone like actually go to the bathroom.
	was not as hardcore as you i've never heard someone go to wait would it be wrong for me to reject a trans person because they're trans no No.
	Because that is, if they disclose that they're trans and that's not something you want to do, then no.
	Okay.
	All right.
	New topic.
	Let's see here.
	We're going to blast through this as quick as we can.
	Let's see, Raven, you write.
	You would.
	Hold on.
	Let's do this actually.
	Maya.
	Oh, boy.
	Wrong for a man to dump his girlfriend if she regularly turns him down for sex.
	Yeah, because if you have a girlfriend, it's because you love them.
	It shouldn't just be because you want to fuck them.
	It's a big part of it.
	Why not just be friends then?
	Wait, before we dive in, Grace, you also agree with the statement.
	Mariana, you agree with the statement, wrong for a man to dump his girlfriend if she regularly turns him down.
	You did circle the statement.
	Oh, did I?
	Okay, so do you want to take it back?
	Grace, but you do agree wrong for a man to dump his girlfriend if she regularly turns him down for me.
	I don't want to understand more context.
	Yeah, it needs more context.
	Okay, here, I'll give a hypothetical.
	And the severity could be more or less, but the boyfriend, the woman is not sick.
	This wasn't just a one-time.
	She's got the flu and she doesn't want to fuck.
	She's otherwise healthy, but they have sex one time per month.
	And he's brought it to her attention, like, hey, babe, I love you, but listen, I have a high sex drive.
	I would like to have sex with you more frequently.
	And she's like, you know, I'm just not.
	I've got a low sex drive.
	Now, of course, you should always respect boundaries and consent, but this isn't a conversation about consent.
	It's, is it justified or okay for a man to dump to have to break up with her girlfriend if she is not, I suppose, sexually satisfying him?
	I think I probably misread that because I think sex is important in relationships.
	Okay, so you're fine with it?
	Does it change for you?
	I think it's okay if they dump them, if that's their opinion, but I think it's fucked up.
	Like, I don't think it's correct, but if that's the decision they make, that is none of my business.
	What are the scenarios in which somebody can dump somebody?
	It doesn't matter.
	It's their relationship.
	I have no idea.
	But you just said it wasn't okay.
	It's not okay in my mind.
	It doesn't matter.
Low Sex Drive In Relationships 00:03:10
	In my mind, it's a fucked up relationship.
	Can I ask your question?
	How about this?
	That scenario I gave, maybe you were like, well, the guy's being unreasonable in that.
	I don't think so.
	I'm dating a girl for a year.
	at the year mark she fully stops having sex with me is it okay to and she wants me to be a monogamous to her Yeah.
	Would it be wrong for me to cheat on her?
	Yes, because you're cheating on her.
	Okay.
	I don't think you should cheat on somebody.
	In that situation, I'd recommend somebody breaking up.
	Yeah, I'd recommend somebody breaking up.
	If sex is that important to you, of course sex is important.
	But hold on.
	So, okay, she fully stops having sex with me, and I've stayed with her for six months, hoping that we could, and we go to therapy, and I have conversations with her.
	You're allowed to do whatever the fuck you want with your life.
	But is it still fucked up for me to dump her if I've been fucked for six months?
	If that happened to me, I would be pretty upset.
	But other people's relationships have nothing to do with your face.
	Okay, let me your position was it's fucked up to dump somebody because they are regularly turning them down for sex.
	In my mind, yes.
	Okay.
	I would be upset if that was.
	Let's say I've been dating a girl for a year and we're both in love and then she just, I don't know, she decides to stop having sex with me.
	Happens a lot.
	It happened to my best friend who was married.
	I don't know because I've never been in that situation.
	Okay.
	You said it's fucked up.
	Is it still fucked up in that scenario?
	In my mind, yeah.
	I feel like you love someone for more than their body.
	You love them because of who they are.
	So then I am obligated to stay with the situation.
	You're afraid in a relationship, though.
	Well, then do it.
	I mean, that's not my problem.
	Why would you be upset?
	Yeah, I retract.
	If wait, what about this?
	What if, like, take it a step further, it's not just Billy Eyelash.
	It's not just dating.
	What if, so I have a best friend who was dating a girl three years.
	Eventually they got married.
	And within the first two or three months of them being married, everything's gone.
	No more blowjobs, barely kissing, no sex, nothing.
	That is a very big switch up in a relationship.
	To say that sex is not important, and I'm probably one of the biggest prudes, is very inaccurate.
	You date someone for a reason.
	It's more than just a physical attraction.
	There's a sexual attraction there.
	What is the point of dating someone if there's nothing else after that?
	For me, maybe it's a traditional point of view, but I'm not going to date Brian for a couple of months and be like, on to the next.
	Like, I'm going to date Brian because I want to be in a committed relationship, see where it goes, have a family.
	You know, all the important discussions.
	And if Brian puts a ring on my finger and suddenly it was just like, fuck this sex.
	It's never going to happen again.
	What do we take vows for?
	What have we been, what changed in the relationship?
	It's a horrific form of rejection.
	That's a very painful rejection.
	I think more for a man than a woman, too.
Rejection Of High Body Count Men 00:12:23
	Well, a little bit.
	It happened to me in my first marriage for a while.
	And it was extremely painful for me.
	And I thought, I'm very young and I'm going to have to go the rest of my life.
	Like, I can't do that.
	Like, what am I supposed to do?
	See, I was on the other side of it.
	I did that to somebody.
	Oh.
	And I started sleeping in the other room.
	And, you know, I was going through my own shit and blaming them for everything and just in victim mentality.
	So you were like, it wasn't just the sex.
	You were mad at them for other reasons.
	It was, yeah.
	I was just not looking at things I was doing and I was blaming them and I was villainizing them and then it turned into I'm no longer sexually attracted to you.
	I'm going to go sleep in the other room, but I'm going to say that I have a backache type of situation.
	What did I miss?
	Did I miss something?
	She's going to marry you.
	Who?
	How are they married?
	She expects D, Brian.
	She wants that steady vitamin D if you're going to put a ring up.
	Perfect.
	Gotta do the music.
	There you go.
	Thank you.
	Lexington.
	Will you marry me?
	All right.
	We do have a TTS coming through.
	Hold on, let me let that come through.
	Thank you, based Justin.
	Justin donated $200.
	Thank you, Justin.
	D2 has clearly not evolved past clump of cells, let alone the frontal cortex.
	Please make sure she's not ever responsible for anything at all.
	Except for blowing a whistle at ice vehicles.
	Did you do that?
	Do you believe that?
	No, I actually had this situation where I was pulled.
	My friend was driving and we were pulled over because she was swerving a dumbass.
	No, but she, we had this.
	Are you just like intentionally being a contrarian so you get like a- No, no, no.
	No, I'm saying a good thing about this because they pulled us over and the cops were like dealing with us.
	Like they were doing the DUI testing on her and shit.
	And there was this woman standing there filming, being like, oh, like I'm just concerned about all the ICE shit going on and what you're going to get hate crimed and all this stuff.
	And I went over and talked to her and made her leave because that was not okay.
	I'm not like super unreasonable.
	All right, so anyways, I was told seven or eight hours.
	It's been eight hours.
	Well, it's your fault because you're late.
	I was doing it.
	Sometimes you go longer.
	What can I say?
	A woman should not be rejected because of her weight.
	Lexi, you agree.
	Hold on.
	Some other people agreed on this.
	One sec.
	Lexi, you agree.
	And then Mariana, you agree.
	A woman should not be rejected because of her weight.
	Why is that?
	Now, now I feel like I misread this because is it rejection in the relationship?
	Like, let's say.
	No, no, no.
	This would be like a dating app or like in a club.
	Yeah, because that's different.
	If you want, if I was like, because when I got pregnant, I got bigger.
	Yeah, so it's just like an upfront rejection.
	Lexi, you agree.
	Yeah, I'll take that back.
	Closer to the mic.
	I think that when you physically view someone who is extremely overweight, it's a health concern.
	I feel that whether you're a man or a woman, it's more your back thought.
	Are you rejecting a person?
	Because, ew, you're a flat, fat slob and you're lazy.
	Or can you potentially look past it a little bit?
	Does this person have the ability to lose weight?
	What else are they bringing to the table?
	I don't think a person's their weight should necessarily be a main factor of rejection.
	But I'll be honest, I am not going to date an overly large man because for me, it doesn't always seem like you're taking care of yourself.
	But it could, there can be a multitude of reasons.
	Not fat shaming, maybe you're big boned.
	It's genetics.
	You have a health concern.
	See, but you could be sexually attracted to your partner, you know?
	So I feel like it's fair to pick a partner off of weight because if I'm not sexually attracted to him, like why, you know, you have to be a certain, I don't know, there's a certain thing.
	I think both scenarios, like, so what you are deriving from their them being overweight, you might be able to make some value calls in terms of are they lazy?
	Are they unhealthy?
	It shows your health.
	But I think it's actually perfectly fine.
	Let's say they aren't lazy.
	Let's say they are otherwise healthy, absent their weight, right?
	I think it's totally fine just from a purely aesthetic perspective.
	Even if you're just not attracted, like you're because physical attraction pertains to that.
	It plays into it too.
	So I think rejection on that basis alone is totally acceptable.
	Sure.
	Because if you want your kids to look a certain way and you plan on reproducing with them, you know, just don't want to get busy.
	You don't want to have bad genes you don't think looks good.
	Personally, it might be a hot take for me, but I just like will not date someone with the fat gene.
	That's just me.
	I'm not even like trying to be like, because I, I genetically, like my everybody in my family, you know, we're relatively skinny.
	And I genuinely just like, that's just a, that's just a thing for me.
	All right.
	Past should not, I think this might be the last one or second to last one on the questionnaire.
	Past should not matter.
	Body count, to which Maya, you think passion does not matter.
	Hold on.
	No, Raven.
	You might be the only.
	Oh, no.
	Mariana, passion not matter, body count.
	Okay, just you two, really quickly.
	Why should pass not matter?
	Why should body count not matter?
	Is it immature for men to care about that?
	I think it's immature for men to care about that if they have a double standard.
	If they have an insane body count and expect their woman to be a virgin, I think that is ludicrous because that's hypocritical.
	Why do you expect that from somebody else?
	I'm actually, I think it's totally fine.
	Yeah, I do.
	But why do you think that?
	Sorry, go ahead, Rachel.
	Yeah.
	Because as a woman, you might want all kinds of things from the guy that are not going to apply to you.
	And here's the main thing with this.
	I actually just tweeted about this.
	So you would have a point if girls were like really into virgin dudes, but girls almost universally don't find virgin guys attractive.
	And I'm not saying everyone.
	There's some good Christian women out there that want a nice virgin boy, and ideally, we want to all be chased until marriage.
	But if we're just talking about what women want in a man, they like the men that all the other women like.
	And those dudes have usually been with a lot of women because they can get the access.
	So if we were all chasing after virgin men, I think that would be a fine standard to have.
	But you can't like put the demand out into the market that we want these sexy player guys that can get whoever they want.
	That's the guys that we all go for.
	But we also want them to only want virgins if we want virgins because we don't want virgins.
	Men do want women with a really low body count or less bodies because of biological reasons, for assurance of paternity, and just because guys kind of get the ick.
	Like we're on the receiving end of the body fluids, just to be perfectly frank.
	Okay.
	See, as a woman, I get the ick.
	If I, you know, find out that a guy because if you just ran through, bro, like, I'm sorry.
	That's fine.
	That just, no, I think dudes, yeah.
	I think it's fair, though.
	If you're not, if you don't like that, totally fair.
	But I also think that if you're a guy who has been with a lot of women and you still prefer a woman with a really low body count, I think that's also if she's okay with it, then that's her.
	But personally, I have a very, very low body count.
	And my partner, I am literally his only one.
	You know, he was.
	Took his V card?
	I did.
	I did.
	I don't know if I should be really disclosing that online.
	There it is.
	Yeah.
	No, no, no, no.
	Just to be clear, like, I'm totally fine.
	Like, if a woman has a preference towards low body count men or even virgin, totally fine.
	I mean, I wasn't like a virgin hunter.
	I think that's ideal.
	I'm just saying that's not usually, like, usually the guys that all the women want are the guys who can get all the girls and have gotten them all.
	Like, is it weird that like all of my serious relationships, we never had that conversation?
	Like, I never had to ask them.
	Oh, I always ask.
	I never had to ask them.
	I'm scared of getting a disease.
	Is it a bit more new?
	It's a bit more of a new thing.
	Okay.
	Like the asking.
	So I'm old.
	No, I mean, no, I just think it's like a new, more of a new.
	I don't know.
	I'm 45 and every, again, very small sample size.
	I also have only been with a couple of people, but it's always been a conversation that's been had.
	I've definitely, yeah, even before some of these conversations became a bit more mainstream, I guess you could say.
	I definitely remember like shit 10, 15 years ago.
	Yeah, being like, so how many, I didn't say body count, but I was probably like, so how many guys have you hooked up with or whatever?
	How many guys have you?
	So, yeah.
	But the, oh, well, I guess going around the table, body count.
	So because my boyfriend, you know, I'm his only one, I just feel like I shouldn't, because I have, that's the only time I've been back to you.
	Body count?
	You said very low.
	It's very long.
	It's very long.
	I just don't want to disclose the number of people.
	Passion should not fall down.
	I think that's what I understand.
	Just so we're clear: pass should not matter.
	Body count should matter, but scared to reveal it.
	It's no one's business.
	Why is it anywhere prevalent?
	You could do a lot to destabilize.
	I was almost an hour over time.
	Whoa, hold on.
	Whoa, I don't need the stats for myself.
	I feel like my time is being disrespected.
	Your time is being disrespectful.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on.
	To be clear, the agreement is to stay for the full show.
	Yes.
	But I was going to be seven or eight hours.
	Well, hold on.
	It also says may go longer.
	And the pizza.
	It does say that part.
	It does say that part.
	And the pizza's here, but she doesn't want any.
	Didn't you take work off?
	Yeah, I still have to be back.
	I have two jobs.
	I have to be back by three tomorrow and I have to be able to get sleep.
	Yeah, I have to get on a plane at like 10.
	Me too.
	I literally have to.
	Let me blast through it.
	Okay.
	So I think that's.
	Oh, body count.
	Three.
	Three?
	Okay.
	Low.
	You want to give a range, I guess?
	Five, I think.
	Okay.
	Five.
	Six or seven.
	Something like that.
	Okay.
	Four.
	I can count on my hands.
	Hands, plural.
	So more than five, less than ten?
	Okay.
	Did you not believe me?
	I already said really low.
	Oh, okay.
	I can count on one hand.
	I can count on one hand, but I don't want to disclose the number because my boyfriend has the only girl who's going to vote.
	So it would be.
	I'm a virgin.
	Okay.
	I am a virgin.
	Multiply it by three.
	That's the one.
	All right.
	I believe.
	I believe that is it for the questionnaire.
	We do have some closing things, though.
	The pizza has arrived.
	Rip.
	Okay, let's see what we can get into.
	Let me blast through the notes.
	Then there's like the questions that need to be asked.
	All right.
	One sec, guys.
	Okay.
	Let's go to.
	Sorry, guys.
	Lexi.
	The struggle of dating as an influencer/slash content creator.
	Wait, have you ever done like OF or anything, Lexi?
	No.
	No sexy snaps.
	No, nothing like that.
	No OF girls here?
	See, everyone's like, oh, Brian.
	Remember fucking Dreena Draino yesterday?
	Drina?
	There's a perception that you only bring on sex work.
	It's like, there's no fucking, well, she's a sex worker, but she doesn't do OF.
	She doesn't do like porn or nude content or whatever.
	Wait, Grace.
	Okay.
	Not sure if you ever talk about domestic violence in September.
Dating An Influencer With Cancer 00:02:49
	You left your daughter's dad after he got physical with you.
	You're the one that called 9-11 scared, but because you bit him, you're the one that got arrested.
	You were in jail for 48 hours and all charges were dropped.
	Now your ex is manipulating the court system to get custody of your daughter.
	He filed a temporary restraining order against me.
	Wow, wait.
	He was, I was 100%.
	A little closer to my parents.
	Yeah, I was 100% the default parent.
	He was diagnosed with cancer last year.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And just some clarifying questions.
	Prior to and besides this incident, had there ever been any physical altercations or DV before?
	No.
	So this was like a kind of unique one-time occurrence?
	I mean, his ex-wife, when he and I first started dating, he told me that she called him a narcissist, and I was like, no, she's crazy.
	Yeah.
	But there wasn't prior to this specific incident, he had no physical.
	He had not laid hands on you before.
	Okay.
	Had there ever been instances of non-reciprocal, like you were hitting him before?
	Okay.
	And how long had you been with him?
	We met at the end of 2020.
	So you, who initiated this one physical altercation?
	He shoved me first.
	Was there something that led up to that?
	Like, he didn't, I'm assuming it was a shit.
	No, it was stupid.
	So with him being diagnosed with cancer last year, his mom and sister decided to come visit for extended periods of time.
	June last year, it was, oh, so I'll get for more context.
	My best friend last year was also diagnosed with stage four pancreatic cancer at the end of January.
	So him being diagnosed and my friend being diagnosed, like my stress levels was up here.
	And so I didn't really feel like his mom and sister were the best to come visit in June because I was trying to feed him a clean organic diet and they are very, you know, generic American diet.
	And I said I thought it would be more helpful for him to come or for them to come visit when his son was going to be there over the summer and then when he was going through radiation treatment and all that.
	And, you know, my opinions weren't considered at all.
	And I kind of had a little bit of a breakdown while they were there in June.
	His mom was like putting dishes away in the wrong spot, which was really stressful for me because I was trying to control the small little things that I could control.
Breakdown During Family Visit 00:15:00
	She was trying to put one of my expensive cutco pots in the oven to cook a roast.
	And I said, oh, that doesn't go in the oven.
	Instead of being like, oh, I'm so sorry, what would you rather me use?
	She's like fighting me on like putting my expensive pot in the oven.
	And when I wasn't paying attention, his mom and sister completely raided where all of my daughter's clothes was, where I was the one who prior to that was always the one putting it away and taking care of all that.
	So I kind of like went to look for a pair of shorts or something and it wasn't there and it just was like, yeah.
	So then in September, they were coming back after his son had already left and I had said that I didn't feel like it was a good time and that they should delay their visit.
	And he lied to me and said that they bought non-refundable tickets.
	I also said that, you know, it was going to be my birthday and I didn't really want them there for my birthday because I wanted to have a more relaxing birthday, low-key.
	I didn't want extra company there.
	And so this was the DV incident happened two days after my birthday.
	I had told my daughter earlier in the day that if she didn't eat her food, that she couldn't watch shows later.
	Her dad and grandma were out running errands and I was home with her aunt.
	And when they got home, I went back to my room and was just kind of getting some of my own space.
	I came back out later to get some food and I saw my daughter watching shows and I said, oh, you're not supposed to be watching shows.
	So I took the tablet away and she threw a big old fit and they were all watching a movie.
	So I took her back to my room and I was trying to calm her down.
	She've come to understand more so that especially at such a young age, taking a tablet away from a child is a bigger response that you're going to get.
	So he and his sister came back to my room and started accusing me of abusing my daughter because she had thrown a fit and she hadn't calmed down yet.
	So I was in kind of mama bear defense mode.
	He and I were arguing.
	I said I didn't want him to take her out.
	What I should have said is I didn't want him undermining my authority.
	I'd given her discipline and was following through with what I said.
	And he, it was like something snapped in him and he just shoves me out of the way and takes our daughter to the front.
	And I followed after him.
	I had her on my hip.
	I was trying to get back to my room and he's blocking the way like this.
	For the sake of time, I'm very sorry.
	There's been a lot of frankly irrelevant.
	Well, I think it's actually interesting though, because it sounds like a lot of very small things led up to this.
	Have you considered that like maybe you have like some emotional like regulation problems, maybe?
	I mean, I know cancer is stressful and things like that, but at your age to have a domestic violence incident over like a kid and a tablet or people visiting or a pot or clothes.
	No, so what happened was he grabbed her out of my arms and then he was restraining me from behind.
	And so I bit him on the inside of his wrist trying to get away.
	But why would you if things are escalating like that, why are you trying to like do I feel like it could have been handled like way before it ever got to that point and it sounds like with both relationships, you're kind of saying like these things were just happening to you.
	Like you didn't have any agency in handling things or realizing, hey, this is just a pot.
	Hey, I want him to be on the organic diet because I think it's best.
	But if he wants to put the food in his mouth, you know.
	No, I mean, at the end of the day, he's an adult.
	He gets to feed himself what he wants to.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	I'm just saying, like, I would have expected it to be like serious.
	If you were 22, that would be different.
	But at our age, had to get into a DVD.
	If your sister not been there, I don't think this would have happened.
	I don't think that's a good reason.
	I mean, just from this, you're telling the story, so I'm just going off of what you're telling me.
	Oh, sorry.
	Didn't mean to cut you off there, Rachel, if you wanted to continue.
	But can we, I guess, from what I heard, what was the, like, the immediate thing that happened prior to the shove?
	Like, I know there's like build up.
	He was trying to argue with me, trying to take our daughter out of my room, and I said, no.
	Why did he try to take the daughter out of the room?
	Because he accused me of abusing her because I took a tablet away from her and she got upset.
	So I wouldn't, I mean, that wouldn't, I don't think that would be abusive to take a tablet away.
	No, but I don't know all the time.
	I don't think so either.
	But if the child, if the child is upset and he, as the dad comes in and says, okay, you and her are having a moment.
	You know, you, she's upset, you're upset.
	I'm taking her out of here.
	Why would you bite him?
	Why wouldn't you let him take the child out of the situation, let her calm down, let you calm down?
	Why would you bite him?
	And then why would you?
	I didn't bite him at that point.
	I bit him when he was restraining me and wouldn't let me go.
	Why was he restraining you?
	So he, usually when you're restraining somebody, it's like you don't just walk up to somebody who's not doing anything.
	He restrained me after he pulled her daughter from my arms.
	What happened between that?
	Like, did you happen to say, like, oh, I'm going to do this, or I'm not going to let you take her?
	Like, I'm not saying it's your fault, but is there like a detail between when he restrained you and that moment from the tablet?
	Does that make sense?
	So I was in my room with my daughter.
	We were verbally arguing.
	He decided he didn't want to argue anymore.
	He shoves me out of the way.
	I'd never had anybody put their hands on me before.
	So he took her daughter in the other room.
	I got her back and was trying to go back to my room.
	So I didn't feel safe.
	It sounds like he was trying to de-escalate a situation with you and the kid, and you were so worked up because you just told me all that other detail to let me know that you were.
	You said I had a bit of a breakdown.
	You know, I had a bit of a mental breakdown over all this stress.
	So it sounds like he was seeing that you were out of control.
	The kid is upset.
	I got to separate them.
	And you took that as him, you know, overstepping or trying to take her from you or something when maybe he was trying to de-escalate.
	I don't know.
	I wasn't there, but.
	I mean, how would you take it if somebody accused you of abusing your child when you were not abusing them?
	Well, I wouldn't.
	I didn't let her go.
	I wouldn't like grab them or try to like, I would be like, I'm not abusing.
	I'm not going to let you do the entire time, like me telling him that I didn't feel like it was a good time for his family to come visit.
	But if he has cancer, you let his family visit.
	I don't really care.
	You know, like, there are certain situations.
	Yes, you're stressed.
	Yes, it's your home.
	But if the man just got diagnosed with cancer and he wants his mother and his sister there, I think you can handle that.
	If you, again, if you were 22, maybe you don't have those skills yet, but I feel like at your age, if your husband gets diagnosed with cancer and he wants his family there are so many other things also to everything.
	Like, it's one in the morning.
	I have to drive home after this.
	It's nine hours.
	Like, just.
	Chill out.
	Stop.
	You got, I'm sorry that you're not getting any attention.
	No, I'm just saying it's one and I was supposed to be over at like 11:30, 12.
	No.
	Hold on.
	Would you stop whinging?
	This is actually, you know, you want to go on the crusade for, do you think a woman should be president?
	I think a woman could be a president.
	I don't think she's a president.
	Okay, then suck it up then.
	So anyways, back to this story.
	You're a strong independent woman.
	Just be a trooper.
	I'm getting through everyone's notes.
	We're at the tail end here.
	Just be a trooper.
	Okay, but in any case, so you are in the, there's a, were the charges dropped?
	Yeah, you said you were in jail.
	They had, you did bite them.
	You bit a cancer patient.
	Wow, the optics of that are not good.
	That's kind of insane.
	A little bit.
	I mean, what would you do if somebody was behind you restraining you and not letting you go?
	It depends on why they were restrained.
	I knew you were scared.
	Did not bite them.
	So there's been times where, you know, I've been under stress.
	We have five kids in the house.
	I'm having a meltdown because I'm hormonal.
	And Andrew literally grabs my shoulders and goes, you need a nap and walks me into the bedroom and closes the door.
	That sounds like a more of a loving gesture.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But it did.
	So I'll just ask you straight up.
	Were you being a little unhinged?
	Were you acting a little bit off the cuff?
	And this man was thinking, okay, this is out of control and somebody's got to get it back under control because there's my child's involved.
	My mom.
	If you say no, if you're like, no, I was completely in control.
	I was calm and handling it.
	And he out of the way.
	And I know I strip and I said, you're not supposed to be watching shows.
	And I calmly brought her back to my room.
	She, I mean, three-year-olds throw good fits.
	Sure, they do.
	But I'm saying what happened with him that day.
	You said he needed to come in and like push you out of the way to get her.
	Now, if he came into the room and said when he came in and he tried to say that I was abusing my daughter because she was still crying, it had been like five to ten minutes.
	Okay.
	She was throwing me.
	So you thought that since he said you were abusing her, that means that we can get physical?
	Or was it like he said, I feel like you're being obviously, I don't think it should have got physical in the first place.
	I'm not the one who made it physical.
	He was the one who made it physical.
	But were you blocking him trying to get to his child?
	Right.
	Because he's the dad, too.
	So if he comes, this is why we need to submit to our husbands.
	Okay.
	So he comes in, he's like, maybe you thought he was asked me to marry him and then proceeded to never follow through with that.
	I don't know what that has to do with anything.
	So you were blocking him from his kid after making his night with cancer with his family about an iPad and a pot, and he didn't abuse you.
	He restrained you, which was very kind in that situation.
	And it is not your fault.
	Well, I don't even know.
	I'm trying to be fair to her and figure it out, but I'm not.
	At what point did when he had to when he shoved you out of the way?
	Was that because he was like, let me get her out of here?
	And even if he said something that offended you, he said, I think you're being abusive.
	And you got very upset and offended by that.
	Did he say, I'm going to take her out of here?
	And you were like, no.
	And that's why he shoved you out of the way?
	He, yeah.
	Oh, I didn't mean to cut you off.
	What do you want to say?
	Well, I was just going to ask, could you visually show us the nature of the shove into the air?
	Was it a one-hand shove, a two-hand shove?
	Was it a both hands?
	He in the shoulder and like threw me, kind of.
	I mean, it didn't, like, pick me up off the ground, but.
	All right.
	All right.
	He'd also had a pattern of deciding he wasn't happy with me for one reason or another.
	And so, like, the weekend prior to that, I don't even remember what happened, but he completely ignored me all day Sunday.
	And then Monday was my birthday, and he comes and just starts love bombing me.
	And just like there's a cycle of abuse there.
	Yeah, relationships.
	Yes.
	There's always history and they did this and they did that.
	There's a lot of stuff that goes on.
	Well, okay.
	Let me blast through the rest of the next one.
	I guess what I wanted to know, or wanted to make sure that other women know that in California, if you call 911 for domestic violence, they have to arrest somebody.
	Well, if you bite a guy, though.
	I acted in self-defense because he was...
	Because he shoved you?
	Because he was restraining her.
	Wait, can I?
	When you say you were acting in self-defense, so he was restraining you.
	He was restraining me from being.
	But was there an escalation of the assault beyond restraining you?
	When I was trying to go back to my room, I was holding our daughter and I tried to push my way through.
	And he's shoving me, and he hit our daughter's head on the wall.
	Like, I didn't want him having her at that point.
	Well, that all sounds very dysfunctional.
	No, it was totally dysfunctional.
	Very dysfunctional.
	I'm not happy with that being the way it ended, but I'm glad that the relationship is over.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, going to you, Mariana, a topic you feel strongly about is that the patriarchy has hurt the energy of the divine masculine.
	So I wish we got into this sooner, but has hurt the energy of the divine masculine so much so that men don't find pleasure in pleasing a woman.
	When you say pleasing a woman, are you not sexually just like and I want to say that I don't, it's I after hearing Rachel talk, I'm very much understanding that my idea of the patriarchy is not what I thought it was.
	I do believe that, I believe that today a lot of men have not done, and I think this goes for everybody.
	I think the problem is something I feel strongly about is that everybody is so out of touch with their selves and so in touch with things like the gender and asking questions that shouldn't matter.
	And everyone's so outside of themselves.
	And I think like what I meant by men don't want to please women anymore.
	I feel like in today's society, it feels like men want to be the simps and they want to be like, well, what am I going to get from a woman?
	What do I, what is the relationship giving me?
	I think that's a great question.
	And I asked Dreanna that question yesterday because she sat there and told us all the things men need to do better, what men's duties are, what men's responsibilities are.
	And I said, okay, fair.
Women Taking On Traditional Roles 00:09:08
	What are women's responsibilities?
	What are women's duties?
	And she was like, what do you mean?
	Same thing that Tommy Laren said when Andrew asked her this question.
	Tommy Laren literally said to Andrew, you get to have the pleasure of watching me have the stuff you give me.
	Duh.
	Like that was her genius answer to the question of what do men get from relationships?
	We all are very comfortable telling men what they need to do.
	They're expected to provide and protect and be masculine.
	And, you know, we have this whole list of what men are supposed to do.
	And then we say, okay, what are women's duties to men?
	And I've not to this day had a woman tell me what.
	I feel like the whole idea that roles are only for certain genders, I think that that is, I think that that's an old thought.
	I think that an unconventional thought of mine is that there are archetypes in all relationships.
	And sometimes the woman is taking on what society would call the man's role.
	And it has to come down to the conversation and what the dynamic should be between them and not, oh, well, society tells me that this man should do this, this, and that.
	I think that everybody deciding what their relationship is based on what society tells them is a problem.
	I don't think you should get into a relationship based on what society is telling you.
	I think that if you want somebody to literally worship you and give you all the money in the world and there's a guy that wants to do that, cool.
	But that isn't, that should not be the standard.
	And at the same time, I don't think that men should be.
	So do you, just to make it more concise, do you think there should be a standard or is it just, hey, everybody, just do whatever works for you?
	I think it should be whatever works between the two parties.
	What about when there's kids?
	That's where the whole idea of having archetypal roles should not be deduced to gender.
	Both men and women have a duty to their children.
	It has nothing to do with...
	Sure, but you're a mom, right?
	Yes.
	So only you could carry the baby.
	Only you could nurse the baby.
	And especially for that first two years, it's mostly mom doing everything.
	But it's by biological necessity.
	So if you're breastfeeding, that's kind of a full-time job.
	You're doing that all day and all night.
	Right.
	And if you have little kids and you're a mom and you're full-time breastfeeding and raising little infants and toddlers, you need someone to do the providing and the protecting because you don't have the time to do it yourself.
	And I believe that we have completely gone away from that whole idea that you do need a protector and a provider when you're bringing kids into this world, if you're having kids with a baby.
	But I don't think that the role should only be divided based on gender.
	Like a father can, I, for one, was not breastfeeding my child because he wouldn't latch on, formula fed.
	And my son's dad at the time would take the time to wake up and feed the baby.
	And I think that a lot of men are like, well, that's the woman's job.
	I do think it's the woman's job.
	And this is the reason why.
	Even if you can't nurse for whatever reason, and there's a lot of women, I hear this so often.
	I know there are some outlying cases where truly the baby won't latch, but most of the time it's that women will give it like a few days and then they're done.
	Or they want to go back to work or it's too frustrating because actual breastfeeding, especially with the first baby, it can take weeks to really get breastfeeding established and you need help.
	And you're literally having a baby on there every 20 to 30 minutes.
	And they're not expecting that because we don't tell women to expect that anymore.
	So they give up really soon.
	Or they just feel like they don't do that no more.
	And they said he won't latch on, just stick to formula milk.
	You know, I did not have that.
	That advice.
	But nevertheless, especially if you have a bunch like I did, if you have five, you have six, you have seven, you just have to have the traditional gender roles.
	And they were the, people don't seem to wonder why were things that way for all of history until we had technology that allowed women to start pretending that they're doing man things.
	So like all of us who have full-time I do think that's super cool, but you can do that because of technology.
	If it were 200 years ago, it might be a little tougher for you to be like a diesel mechanic or something if you didn't have like hydraulics and you didn't have to.
	Well, we didn't have a lot of rights back then too, right?
	Well, actually, I don't know.
	When did we start, like when did we become equal with men?
	1919.
	1919.
	Well, that's what, no, no, that's just when suffrage was passed.
	There was never any sort of law saying women can't do traditionally male jobs.
	I don't even know.
	But because we have this fallacy of looking back at the past through presentism and thinking it must be the same.
	If you don't have birth control, if you don't have electricity, if you don't have Wi-Fi, if you live in a post or a pre-industrial age, you as a tiny little lady, you're not going to be like blacksmithing.
	You know what I mean?
	You're not going to be logging.
	You're not going to be logging.
	You're not going to be like doing all these traditionally.
	Now, you would be working hard because you're probably on a farmstead.
	You're probably working day in and day out with your husband and your children.
	You're milking goats and cows and you're bailing hay and doing some pretty heavy-duty stuff.
	It's not that women didn't work.
	It's just that society didn't function in a way that people leave in the morning and go to work and then they come home at night.
	That's just not how it was.
	So the reason that we have this equality now is literally only because technology allows it.
	If the technology ever goes away, feminism is done.
	I never think about that.
	Here, finishing off with your notes.
	So, okay, the patriarchy hurt the energy of the divine masculine.
	Not sure what divine masculine is, but you say women today are understanding their value and power after generations of objectification and sexual exploitation.
	So do you think marriage?
	Do you think marriage, like 100, 200, 300, 400?
	Do you think marriage as an institution was the sexual exploitation of women?
	No.
	I don't think that I think child marriage was the sexual exploitation of women.
	That's what we're talking about.
	Why are you bringing it there?
	But okay.
	That was a very real thing that women, like girls did face, like being at like 16?
	Like getting married?
	Saying like young women being like groomed.
	And this is not what's happening.
	I don't believe that's what's happening now, but that did come.
	That is part of our history.
	Okay, but what do you mean when you say that?
	So like it was common for girls to be married off at like 16.
	Yeah, or even younger.
	Yeah.
	In Western culture, not as often.
	It did happen sometimes, but like in Christendom, it was usually 15, 16, 17, something like that.
	But number one, people grew up a lot faster.
	We didn't have this idea that you weren't an adult until you were 18.
	The lifespan was also a lot lower back then, right?
	Yes.
	And it was like once you started menstruating, you're kind of considered a woman.
	And at that point, it makes some, it made sense under the conditions of the time.
	You know, so I don't, again, a lot of you have been told that all of history was just women's enslavement and women's oppression.
	When if you actually go back and read the writings of women themselves, they say that was not the case.
	They, the women, Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, the pioneers of feminism said, women actually have it so good they're not interested.
	I just posted to my Twitter yesterday a quote from Elizabeth Cady Stanton saying, it's actually the women who don't want feminism.
	If it were ever up to women, we would never have the vote.
	They don't care about it.
	They already have everything they want.
	They can go to school.
	They can work a job.
	They can own land.
	They can have their own money if they want.
	States like New York had all kinds of protective laws for women entering into marriage that the man couldn't take their money or sell their property without their express consent.
	And the judge even had to make sure it was not compelled in any way.
	They had privileges and protections that they didn't want revoked.
	But we've had 100 years of feminist propaganda telling you guys that all of history before 1920 was woman slave, man bad, man boot on neck.
	And it's actually just not true.
	So that's why I wrote the book was just to correct the historical.
	I did know what I thought I knew.
	Yeah, most people don't.
	And I think that my point here is that what I see today in society is women are, in a sense, like on the other side of things and are hardcore feminists because it's this idea that in order for change to happen, it needs to be that, that radical.
	So we're going to go all the way on the other side of the spectrum.
	We believed that we were completely oppressed.
	So we moved to the other side of the spectrum to believe that we should be dominant.
	And I think that's because they're like finding their power without finding their grounding.
	I do need to move things on.
Paying On The First Date 00:15:26
	You're raising your hands.
	I need to go.
	I've been here.
	I have to drive home and I have other obligations tomorrow.
	You said, hold on.
	You said that you were taking work off.
	I have two jobs.
	I took off my morning job.
	I still have to be back home at work by 3.30 tomorrow.
	Okay.
	And I assumed we would be done by 11 or 12.
	I don't know why you would assume that.
	We were pretty clear in our communications to you that it goes this long and it might.
	I never thought it would go to 1.30 in the morning.
	We say seven to eight hours.
	We're currently at the, or, and it may go longer.
	Okay?
	Yeah.
	So let me, I'm trying to get through it.
	Trying to get through.
	How much longer do you think this is going to take?
	It's hard to say.
	I'm nearly done with the notes.
	I have one thing left on the questionnaire.
	There's the rapid fire questions, then we're out of here.
	Can I leave?
	Or is no.
	I mean, I can't, like, I'm not.
	I'm not holding you hostage.
	I'm not holding you hostage.
	But they're.
	You signed a contract.
	The contract contract says fine.
	She did say she doesn't like accountability.
	Okay, well, okay, let me just blast through this.
	Like, I don't understand.
	It's not that big of a deal.
	Okay, let me, Rina, men should provide protect.
	Men should be chivalrous.
	Husbands should be willing to die protecting you.
	Taking the bullet.
	Absolutely.
	You will keep your last name or hyphenate in marriage.
	Yeah.
	What about your kids?
	I mean, I would assume that they would have the same last name that we both do.
	I would just take his last name.
	What?
	In marriage, I would take his last name.
	Like, I would change my name.
	You agreed that you will keep your last name or hyphen in marriage.
	Is that incorrect?
	Oh, or hyphen.
	Isn't that a little bit?
	You can keep your maiden name and you add his name to it.
	You circled five.
	Father.
	The statement is, I will keep my last name or hyphenate in marriage.
	Do you agree with that statement?
	Oh, no.
	Okay.
	My bad.
	Maya Morris, men should provide, protect.
	You will keep, if you even do get married, you will keep your last name or hyphenate in marriage.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	Although you're not really traditional, so I don't find that super strange.
	Raven, men should pay on first dates.
	Men should provide protect.
	Men should be chivalrous.
	Husband should be willing to die protecting you.
	All statements you agree with.
	However, you will keep your last name or hyphenate in marriage.
	I mean, it won't be.
	I don't think that's fair.
	It'll be to a woman, so it won't matter.
	I mean, it won't be about men.
	So.
	Okay, you are a lesbian.
	Disregard then.
	Why does she think men should protect her, though?
	I honestly, though, like, regardless of how I feel about men protecting me, I was answering the statement.
	Well, how about this?
	Let me reframe.
	Do you think men in heterosexual relationships, not yours, but men in heterosexual relationships, should they do all those things?
	Yes.
	And do you think it's okay in that circumstance, if a man is dating a woman, is it okay for her to keep her last name?
	Yes.
	Great.
	So men get nothing.
	Grace, men should pay on first dates.
	Men should provide protect.
	Men should be chivalrous.
	Husbands should be willing to die protecting you.
	You will keep your last name or hyphenate in marriage.
	I changed my last name when I married my ex-husband.
	I didn't want to do it anymore.
	Closer to the mic, please.
	Sorry.
	I changed my last name when I had married my ex-husband and I didn't want to do it again.
	My daughter, because her dad and I were not married when she was born, she has both of our last names.
	Not hyphenated, so.
	Okay.
	I don't believe.
	Okay, well, really quick.
	Frankly, if you're not willing to do that, you don't deserve any of the preceding things that you think men should do.
	You don't deserve it.
	Why?
	Because like, yes, you too.
	Mariana, men should pay on first dates.
	Men should provide protect.
	Husbands should be willing to die protecting you.
	You will keep your last name or hyphenate in marriage?
	Hyphenate or keep your last name?
	Keep my hyphenated.
	Does he have to hyphenate?
	He can do whatever he wants.
	Okay, but you're going to hyphenate.
	What about the kids?
	Do they get the hyphenate or do they get his last name?
	They would get his last name.
	That's somewhat more fair, but you won't change your last name.
	I find that interesting.
	No man should be willing to die protecting you.
	That's for certain.
	Let's see.
	I think that if you're a feminist, you should have to fill out a form saying that you waive any rights to call the police, 911, have firefighters come unless they are women.
	You can have your own, you can start your own feminist police force, your own feminist firefighting club.
	You can hire your own female bodyguards, but you don't get to be protected by the men and you don't get to, and in fact, let's give them like Wyoming.
	We'll just rope it off and they can build their own infrastructure.
	They can keep the power running by themselves.
	They can have their separatist community without any of the men and without any of the benefits of living with men.
	That's what I think is fair.
	I mean, I just want to understand the name change.
	Because my whole reason for that is because I don't want to get married with the government.
	That's my own issue.
	My boyfriend and I don't want the government, like we don't want to sign a certificate with the courthouse that says we are this.
	And when you do that, you have to change your last name.
	And that is my name.
	You actually don't have to.
	Wait, really?
	No.
	You don't have to change your name.
	Oh.
	I completely thought that you have to change your name.
	But I listen, I do understand not wanting the government involved, actually.
	I still think the government should not be involved.
	I think that the church should govern it.
	And maybe if you're like pagan or you're a witch or something, you'll have some kind of like Mother Earth festival ceremony.
	I don't know.
	But I don't know why you get married, honestly, if you're not religious.
	But I mean, even if you don't get a legal name change, you could still hold yourself out as Miss Mariana Smith.
	Right.
	I mean, you wouldn't do that.
	Yeah.
	Oh, no.
	I would do that.
	If it had nothing to do with the legality and stuff, I would do that because that's like how you determine family.
	In my opinion, you like how we even have the only reason we even have last names is to determine families from separate families.
	That's the only reason we have it.
	It's to know that this person, these people came from.
	I think it's funny when women want to keep their last name because it's actually their dad's last name.
	And if it's not their dad's last name, it's their grandpa's last name.
	It's like you still have a man's name.
	I guess those of you here, those of you who said men should pay on first dates, why?
	I was giving them.
	Raven, why should men pay on first dates?
	Because men should be paying.
	Brilliant.
	Holy fuck.
	Good job.
	Men should be paying because men should be paying because men should be paying.
	Yes.
	Why?
	I mean, I do FinDom.
	Is it really a surprise to you that you can't formulate a coherent thought?
	Well, you're actually.
	You're also asking me, as someone who doesn't date men, if men should pay on a first date date.
	Grace, why should men pay on first dates?
	I think they should pay on the first date.
	I recently went on three dates for the guy.
	He paid the first two dates.
	I paid the third date.
	Great.
	You didn't answer my question whatsoever.
	He was the one who asked me out.
	Okay, so the question was: why should men pay on first dates?
	And you said that I just went on a date and the guy paid for the date.
	But that doesn't answer the question as to why the man should pay for the date.
	So is your answer, though, because he asked you out?
	Yes.
	Okay, is there any other reason?
	I mean, men typically make more than money, make more money than women.
	That's not even necessarily.
	Well, there's not a wage gap, if that's what you're alluding to.
	Do you think there's a gender wage gap?
	Well, I mean, depending on which jobs each person has.
	I think he means like overall.
	No, yeah.
	Okay.
	So men make more money, I guess.
	Therefore, they should pay.
	So in a situation where a man approached a woman, asked her on a date, but she was, she made $500,000 a year.
	He made $50,000 a year.
	Should the woman pay?
	I mean, maybe not all the time, but yeah, there's a first date.
	First date.
	I think whoever asked the person out for the date.
	Have you ever asked a guy out on a date?
	First date?
	Not that I remember.
	I've asked.
	I did ask on the third date.
	Well, but I asked about first date.
	So your position is men should whoever asks should pay, but you're 44 years old.
	And I'm not saying that as a tech, but in your 44 years, you've never asked a man out on a date.
	If men held the position you held, they would be a 44-year-old virgin.
	If we put you with your same attitude into a man's body, you would be a 44-year-old virgin.
	I technically asked my boyfriend out on the first date.
	I wasn't talking about you.
	But some people do.
	I mean, it's interesting to me, the whoever asks should pay.
	Would you let a woman pay on a first date with you?
	Yeah, it's good if a woman simps.
	I think, but am I perfectly prepared?
	Am I perfectly prepared to pay for the date?
	Of course, and it's typically what I do.
	But yeah, I wouldn't do some objection to it, I guess.
	Actually, you know what?
	I probably would.
	It depends on the circumstance, but I don't see how that really pertains.
	I think that men shouldn't pay for dates at all with women who refuse to be submissive.
	I think if you're not going to, if you want the man to lead, that implies and infers that you must submit.
	If you're not going to do that, then don't expect anything.
	What do I mean by submit?
	So women will always say, like the bimbo that I debated yesterday, kept saying men need to be better leaders.
	They need to do a better job of leading.
	They need to lead more.
	But she was the exact type of woman that if a man was trying to lead, if she was in a relationship and the guy said, this is what we're going to do with the money and we're going to buy a house and it's going to be here.
	She would go, I don't like that.
	I think we need to do it this way.
	And why do we have to do what you want?
	And why can't we do what I want?
	And so it's like, they'll say they want a leader, but they'll refuse to follow.
	So you, it's, and it's first date on it.
	And then they don't know why every relationship they have is just like, so I think if you want men to pay for everything, if you want them to protect you and provide for you and lead you, then you got to be a submissive woman.
	And you have first date, though, like, how would you be?
	I'm just trying to like figure out what would be like a first.
	Like, how would the guy know?
	How would you know?
	I've always liked 50-50 when I'm, especially first getting to know somebody, because it's just like, there's expectations.
	I feel like, you know, it's kind of weird.
	It's like, well, if I buy your dinner, will you let me hit, you know, kind of, I don't ever want to feel like that.
	So I've just always kind of like.
	Well, yes, it's wrong for men to have an expectation that just because you've taken the woman on a dinner date, that he's owed sex.
	That's weird.
	That's scared.
	That's weird.
	I just don't ever want to run into it.
	And I've always done 50-50.
	And then my boyfriend and me now, we kind of like trade off.
	It doesn't really matter.
	Well, I mean, really quick, going back to you, though, it is interesting on the who pays.
	Whoever asks should pay, but you've never asked a man out.
	That's very convenient position for women to have.
	I might have years and years ago.
	I don't remember specifically.
	I also prefer men that are in their masculine energy, and I feel like that is something that they would want to do.
	Well, wouldn't a woman who's in her feminine energy want to take the man's last name in marriage?
	I think I was thinking more of the last relationship that I was in.
	And, you know, I'm not completely opposed to it in the future.
	Just so you're really like you're going to punish your future husband because you were in a bad relationship previously.
	If you bring your past to the current, there won't be a future.
	Screenshot.
	I also, when I was in her, I chose to take my mom's last name.
	And my grandfather was a really amazing person.
	And, you know, I do feel like the history of my name means something to me.
	So it's not that I wouldn't ever consider it, but, you know, right now.
	Well, my money, my money means something to me.
	And why should I provide for a wife when the money means something to me?
	I don't want to give her that.
	That paper is a representation of my labor and my toil and my struggle.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It means something to me, the money that I have.
	Is that the only thing you think a woman can give a man, though, is when they get married to give her a huge daughter?
	She can give a lot more than the last name.
	Okay.
	But that from a are you traditional?
	Do you consider yourself you're traditional?
	Do you want a traditional dynamic in your past relationship, your past marriage?
	You were the stay-at-home wife.
	The man was the primary breadwinner.
	I think tradition ought to beget tradition.
	So if you want a traditional man, you should be traditional.
	And under the purview of traditional gender roles and whatever, it is traditional.
	It is typical that the wife takes the husband's last name.
	That is traditional.
	And I did do that.
	Right.
	But I'm not saying 100% yes or no.
	I'm saying.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	But why should men pay for first dates?
	Why should men?
	You want.
	I want men to pay for the first date because I'm a little materialistic.
	I like to be pursued in that sense.
	I want to see, like, oh, they want to riz me up.
	They want to take me on this first date.
	They want to, you know, give me an experience that I don't have to financially be indebted to.
	They want to do that for me.
	Because in this scenario, I am good, single.
	I haven't pursued, I haven't directly pursued people until a man has taken initiative.
	So, and that's just like my preference.
	I enjoy that.
	I like being rizzed up.
	I like the money.
	I think it's fun.
	Like, hey, you're going out.
	He's paying for it.
	That gives me a really excited thing for the relationship.
	But okay, well, could it be really exciting for the man that this chick is like going against social conventions to be such a simp, to break the mold that she's so into him that she'll pay.
Being Pursued By A Man 00:04:50
	She'll go against the mold.
	I mean, I think that would actually communicate a lot more than sort of going along with the status quo of men paying for the first aids.
	But I will move it all along for the sake of time.
	I guess one question related to this is: if men should do all these things, men should pay on first dates, men should provide, protect, men should be chivalrous.
	Husbands should be willing to die.
	Man should be willing to die protecting you.
	What should, and I think Rachel might have asked this, what should women do?
	I mean, I would take a bullet for him as well.
	I expect it from him, but I would give it right back to him.
	I'll come back to that, but let me get answers from others.
	Also, provide, provide, like if they have kids, provide for the kids, take care of the kids if that's what they're doing.
	Man's kids.
	What are you talking about?
	What should women do?
	What should women do?
	Yeah.
	They should help take care of him.
	If they're expecting him to be the breadwinner, then they should be the one that's taking care of the house, doing stuff like that.
	Unless they're both working and they both have separate.
	Unless they both have separate finances and they're like supporting themselves.
	That's a different story.
	But if she's expecting him to take care of her financially, she should be doing something like housework to take care of him.
	Submit.
	Choose an alpha male to submit to, not a beta male, so you don't take it out on other men.
	And then nurture.
	You know, I liked your question where it was like, how do you do that in the beginning?
	Like, if a man were to do that, I would show nurturing and appreciation and also show him how I like to cook for him or show other skills that so we can kind of see a window into, okay, this is a little bit of what it would be like for this person.
	And I know that's not for everybody, but in a traditionally submissive standpoint, I think that that's who should be paid for on a date because you know that they have the character, intention, and belief system to follow through with reciprocating that care, love, and energy.
	And that means you don't just feel like your wallet's being drained like a freaking psychotic loser.
	You actually feel like you're investing in a woman that is investing her time, love, care, and energy into you.
	So that's what makes it worth it.
	But if it's a feminist, I mean, have her pay.
	That's what she wants.
	So.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	Reena, your notes.
	You wanted to discuss, maybe, would be finding someone not sensitive to words like retarded.
	Dude, yeah.
	I didn't realize it was such a thing.
	And then I also do social media.
	I do YouTube and I do Instagram and stuff, just like recording videos of me working on the car.
	And somebody, oh man, somebody commented something like, oh, I think I was saying something about like OnlyFans Girls.
	I was like, oh, you know, it sucks that some of us out here, you know, work our asses off for something that you'd make in three days.
	You know, I just think, you know, I just, it just kind of sucks.
	I was just making a joke about it, and someone said something, and I said, oh, that's retarded.
	And oh, they just freaked out on me.
	And I was like, holy shit.
	We should liberate the R word.
	I feel like it's actually outside of California.
	I think it's okay to say retarded.
	I think as long as you're not going up to someone with downsides, it isn't going to say retarded.
	That's a whole different story.
	Yeah.
	I don't think anybody was ever doing that.
	It's like, dude, that's retarded.
	It's like how in the 80s we say, dude, that's gay.
	And it didn't mean any.
	We weren't like dissing on gay people, even.
	We were just.
	I have gay friends.
	All right.
	We have bender, bender, pure delusion.
	Number one, none of that sounds like hospice.
	Number two, the DV thing sounds a little sus.
	The girl is cooked.
	Thank you for your super chat.
	I don't know if anyone has a response there.
	$10 display, $100 read, $200 TTS.
	If you guys want to get one in here at the tail end, nah, we're not going to do the real session.
	I think I have one more person's notes.
	Hold on, let me just.
	You were asking me something before.
	I think I maybe DM'd you a question.
	I don't.
	He asked you to marry him.
	I did.
	I did ask you to marry him.
	Marry me.
	Let's see.
	Okay, we did the retarded thing.
	Wait, did you say you were going to take the last name or no?
	I would take the last name.
	Lexi Atlas.
	Yo.
	Though she's not retarded.
	Locked in.
	Would you date somebody, just going off of her note, would you date somebody who used the word retard?
	Yes.
	I would not date like a white guy that says the N-word, though.
	Oh, why not?
	With an A or an R.
	No.
	No.
	You would not date a woman.
	What about a woman who said the re, what if she's like the best, yo?
	No.
	And she just called you a retard.
	No.
	You went and date, like, she's so hot, and she's really good at women things.
	Never mind.
	What if she was using it in one of her witchcraft spells?
	It was like pocus, pocus, retardists.
	No?
	Okay.
	Okay.
Dismantling Feminist Concepts 00:03:34
	Olivia, you want to dismantle feminism.
	You are an ex-brainwashed OnlyFans girl.
	You say making a sandwich isn't oppressive.
	Let's see.
	Yeah, I guess you want to dismantle feminism and making a sandwich isn't oppressive.
	Do you want to kind of elaborate, I guess?
	Yeah, so the ex-OnlyFans thing, and this is not me blaming, but I had an ex of seven years, and I was trying to submit to a beta male, my poor choice.
	And he'd be like, just post pictures of your feet.
	Like, if it was this easy for me, I'd do it.
	It's so easy for women.
	So that was the OnlyFans past.
	Just don't date beta men.
	And then after that, feminism has completely destroyed everything ever since the Seneca Falls Convention.
	It's been completely downhill since every single wave.
	And then Shulamith Firestone is just the most psychotic person.
	So actually, every single thing about feminism has been built on hating men.
	If you do your homework, you find out Rachel not so crazy.
	So I just like pulling women out of the home with family.
	Wait, what?
	Feminism?
	She's saying into the workplace?
	Yeah, yeah, for sure.
	That was a good idea.
	But that was double the tax burden.
	That was to support the debt-based economy with the Federal Reserve Act and the compulsory education system to create the Department of Education, which is another big fat tax everybody gets to pay through their property taxes.
	Yeah, there was a whole bunch of reasons for it.
	Anything else on that, Olivia?
	I understand on the forefront how it feels powerful, how it feels powerful and positive to hear equality and feminism, but just remember that like being in equal doesn't always mean that you're not equal in value.
	Women are wonderful, they're amazing, they're needed.
	And I think if we can just recognize the fundamental differences and allow those things to coexist instead of each individual gender trying to be everything or they them nonsense or whatever, I just own it, dude.
	Like you are biologically made a certain way and it's okay.
	Yeah.
	Don't let the sisterhood shame you for just wanting to be just being a mom is like a great, great thing to do with your life.
	You don't have to have some career and proof that you can do everything guys can do.
	Yeah.
	And I do think there's like men and women have inherent equal value, equal moral value.
	And I think the Christian perspective is there's it's a complementarian perspective.
	Men and women complement each other as well.
	That's a little bit more of the Protestant like newer idea of it.
	In the Orthodox view, marriage is a sacrament in which it's a salvific path where you are learning to die to your own will and submit your own will to another person and put other people before you.
	Because if you can learn to do that, then you can submit fully to God and to Christ and be saved through humility and repentance.
	So the biggest problem with feminism that we never talk about is that it tells women you're perfect the way you are.
	You are a goddess.
	You don't ever need to change.
	Everyone else needs to change.
	And there's no reason to be humble and there's no reason to repent.
	And therefore it puts a giant roadblock between you and salvation.
Racial Preferences In Dating 00:03:34
	Very healthy.
	And it's okay to change for someone you love.
	It's really not that bad to just say, hey, this person loves every single thing about me and I could make their lives a little more enjoyable if I worked on this one thing.
	It's not misogynistic for a man to be honest and say, hey, I love you so much that I want to express to you that it would make me more likely to hold on to you if we could work on this one thing.
	And that is not mean.
	They've programmed this knee-jerk reaction into women that we're supposed to, anytime a man has a preference, a request, a boundary, that what we are supposed to, our knee-jerk reaction should be to rebel against it.
	And that's why even well-meaning ladies like Grace probably do that a lot without realizing it.
	You know, it's just a pattern that's ingrained and it's in the back of everyone's head.
	And you, as a modern woman, you have to deprogram it.
	It takes effort.
	You have to be like this young lady here, paying attention, thinking it through, catching yourself where you're doing it, and resisting that because it's been built into you since you were a toddler watching Superwoman and all the kid cartoons and all the pop stars you grew up idolizing who told you men ain't shit.
	Don't ever listen to them.
	They're only out to oppress you and you have to prove at every turn that you don't need them and you don't even want them and you don't need a man.
	You're like, all right, reject feminism, embrace patriarchy.
	Exactly.
	Patriarchy is good for women.
	We're the primary benefactors of patriarchy.
	Patriarchy is very good.
	We get the most benefits.
	Very good for women.
	Okay, you're Filipino?
	Full Filipino?
	Half.
	Half Romanian, half Japan.
	Sorry, half what?
	Romanian.
	It's Europe.
	European.
	Are you attracted to Asian men?
	No, I mean like have you dated an Asian guy?
	I haven't.
	You have not?
	I have not dated an Asian man.
	Like a Wasian guy?
	Because you're Wasian, I guess.
	Yeah, no.
	Not attracted to them.
	And not that I'm not, I just haven't dated one.
	I don't know.
	Can I ask you a question?
	So you're half Asian.
	Would you rather date a black man or an Asian man?
	What the fuck is that question?
	I would date the man that treats me the best, and it had nothing to do with race.
	That sounds wild to me.
	Well, I think it's okay to have racial preferences.
	I don't think when it comes to dating.
	Oh, well, I guess I don't have a racial preference.
	I've had black men, I've had white men, I've had Mexican men.
	No Asian men, though.
	But I haven't had the opportunity to have a relationship with an Asian man.
	Has an Asian guy ever hit on you?
	I love when Brian goes, he's my favorite.
	Let's observation.
	I don't think an Asian man has hit on me.
	Like, I'll be honest, maybe they don't like me.
	Maybe I'm the issue.
	I guess I'll reframe the question like this.
	You have dated black men.
	Yeah.
	But you have not dated Asian men.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	But not because you wouldn't.
	Yeah, that has no, like, it's literally just because of the issue, but yeah.
	It's like the girls who say I date a family.
	If an Asian man came up to me, if he came up to me and like did the same Riz as like my boyfriend currently did, right?
	I would, I would, I would date him.
	Nathan's Asian.
	Oh, really?
	My producer.
	He does not look Asian.
	Date him.
	I mean, is Nathan a good guy?
	He's Asian-Irish.
	Oh, then no.
	If it's Irish.
	I'm so kidding.
	I'm so kidding.
	She's racist.
	Or live.
	It had nothing to do with Asian people.
	It was all Irish people.
Reframing Asian Male Dating Questions 00:03:29
	All right.
	We are getting into our final segment here, which is the rapid fire segment of the show.
	Pepper your Angus because we're going to blast through this as quick as possible.
	As quick as possible.
	Look at this poor girl here.
	She's got, you know, whatever.
	I drove nine hours here to have to turn our back.
	Okay, so I'm going to blast through this.
	Strong woman.
	Strong woman.
	We have the two photos.
	Pull those up super quick.
	The beautification, we'll do it.
	That takes 20 seconds.
	Okay.
	She's a 10.
	Boom.
	Next.
	What the fuck?
	I feel like I look worse.
	I look worse.
	That was so bad.
	Okay.
	Okay, Alex.
	All right.
	To the two tens, questions.
	Do you think you're beautiful?
	Yes.
	Do you think you're beautiful?
	Do you think you're, if you had to like add, I guess, is this an adjective or a descriptor?
	Do you think you're below average, average, or above average looking?
	Above average.
	Average.
	And I'm trying to remember if I ask this.
	The question was, if you had to sign a percentage, what percent of women are less attractive than you?
	Oh.
	For you two.
	I mean, if I'm average, then it would be.
	No, no, no, but you think you're a 10, right?
	You think you're a 10.
	So what percentage, like, are you more attractive than 90% of the women, 80% of the women?
	What do you think?
	I think I'm more attractive than, like, 20% of women.
	Okay, what about you?
	All women are 10s.
	Answer the question, please.
	Just for her sake.
	For her sake, please.
	Please answer the question.
	That's my answer.
	What's your answer?
	I'm just going to ask you.
	All women are 10s.
	Yeah, I have a percentage.
	What percentage of women are you more attractive?
	Just give them a number.
	50.
	Sure.
	Random number.
	Okay, that'd make you mean you're not a 10.
	Oh, my God.
	I'm giving you a random number because you told me to give you another number.
	Well, okay.
	Let's see here.
	Is anybody here waiting until marriage to have sex?
	Everybody here is not a virgin, so...
	Well, currently, even though...
	Oh, you mean like...
	I mean, I don't like hook up with people really.
	I haven't had sex in probably like at least a year.
	At least a year.
	Least, yeah.
	At least a year.
	I'm going on almost two.
	My fiancé and I are waiting together.
	So, the only reason why the streak was broke was because of a very horrible mistake.
	I would have gone on to probably almost three years by now.
	Was it like a one-time thing, or did you date this guy for a little bit?
	The streak breaker?
	The streak breaker.
	I need to be very clear when I say it was not essayed, but I was taken advantage of while drunk by someone who I thought was a friend.
	Yes, it was consensual, but nothing was okay about what happened.
	I always warn women about male feminists because that's what they'll do.
	They'll try to be your friend and they'll act like they're cool with you, and then they wait for a moment of weakness when you're really drunk.
	Yeah, and you've had a bad week or a breakup or something, and then they just slide it.
	Wait, so Lexia is a one-time thing with this individual, yeah.
	Otherwise, it would be three years.
	It would have been nice.
	Cool, good times.
	Okay, moving on.
	I think if men should pay for dates, if men should provide, men should, I already asked this.
	Men should be chivalrous.
Warning About Male Feminists 00:09:36
	What should women do?
	But you guys answered that.
	Do women have any duties?
	That kind of relates.
	We'll skip that.
	I think we covered all the bases, guys.
	Hold on, we're just going to blast through these.
	These are the fun questions.
	I'll skip that.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Here's the little fun rapid-fire questions.
	Name three countries besides the USA.
	Mexico, Canada.
	Fuck.
	Australia.
	Can't repeat.
	Oh, my God.
	Three countries besides the USA.
	I don't know right now.
	It's 2 a.m.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	It is late.
	Come on.
	I don't know.
	I can't think of any.
	Just three countries.
	Here, I'll give you a hint.
	I'll give you a continent.
	Europe.
	What are three countries?
	Germany, France, and what's the third one in Germany?
	Or fuck.
	Europe.
	I don't know of a third one.
	Okay, what country colonized?
	Oh, wait, wait, wait.
	New Zealand.
	New Zealand.
	Oh, well.
	Italy, Korea, Japan.
	I was going to say two of those.
	Croatia, England, Egypt, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Turkey.
	Iran, North Korea, and China.
	Portugal, Denmark, and Spain.
	Did anyone say Thailand?
	Thailand, um, um, Ethiopia, Nigeria, to be...
	Did anyone say those?
	No, you're not perfect.
	You want me to skip you, Rachel?
	Brazil, Chile, and Guatemala.
	How many continents are there?
	Five?
	Wait.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, five.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Six.
	No, six.
	Hold on.
	Six.
	Oh, yeah.
	Six.
	I'm going to go.
	Seven and six.
	Seven.
	Yeah, I was going to say seven.
	I can name them all, but I don't have a voice.
	Okay, name one continent.
	You can't repeat.
	North America.
	Antarctica.
	Asia.
	South America.
	Europe.
	Africa.
	Australia.
	That's everybody.
	Okay.
	Good job.
	I thought that was going to be hard.
	What two countries border the USA?
	Mexico and Canada.
	How many states in the USA?
	50.
	What is the capital of the USA?
	Washington, D.C.
	Okay, how many planets are in our solar system?
	12.
	12?
	12.
	I think it's 12.
	12?
	Okay.
	I have no fucking clue.
	Throw out a number.
	Guess.
	1 million.
	Come on, realistic number.
	I'm going to say 12 because I don't say it.
	Okay.
	12.
	I don't know if you count Pluto seven?
	Nine.
	Nine.
	It used to be nine.
	It's eight.
	Oh, because of Pluto?
	Damn.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What planet do we live on?
	Earth.
	Good job.
	You got that one.
	You got that one.
	See, they know stuff.
	Yeah.
	What is the capital of California?
	Sacramento.
	The government building the Pentagon is what shape?
	Pentagon.
	Well done.
	What river runs through Egypt?
	Isn't that the Nile?
	Correct.
	What country is directly north of Mexico?
	America.
	Well done.
	See, these are fun little easy ones.
	Let's see here.
	Just like trick questions.
	What do you call a shape with five sides?
	Nobody help.
	Did you say I said it already?
	No.
	Who said?
	Hey, no hints.
	Don't help her.
	Wait, what?
	I don't remember saying a shape.
	Yeah, she's tricking you.
	The Pentagon.
	The Pentagon.
	See, I was drawing a house with my finger.
	What do you call a shape with eight sides?
	Octagon.
	What country gifted the Statue of Liberty to the U.S.?
	France.
	Oh, I have no fucking clue.
	No fucking clue.
	I don't know that one, bro.
	Okay, what gas do humans breathe in to survive?
	CO.
	No.
	Oxygen, and then we turn it into CO2.
	Is that right?
	I don't remember.
	Something like that.
	We will accept it.
	What gas do plants absorb from the air?
	CO2.
	How many months have 28 days?
	One.
	Which month?
	February.
	What organ pumps blood through your body?
	Your heart.
	What continent is Brazil in?
	South America.
	What continent is Egypt in?
	I'm going to say South America too.
	I don't know.
	You are correct.
	It is in South America.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I don't think I'm correct.
	Can I stop the scratch?
	What is it?
	Egypt?
	Yeah, what continents?
	It's in Africa.
	She didn't read the Bible.
	Okay, how many dimes make a dollar?
	10.
	What is the capital of France?
	Paris.
	What is the capital of Japan?
	Tokyo.
	Yeah.
	What country is immediately south of the United States?
	Mexico.
	Took you a second there.
	It feels like trick question.
	If today is Monday, what day is it in three days?
	Thursday.
	If you have three quarters, how much money do you have?
	75 cents.
	Who painted the Mona Lisa?
	Fuck, I don't know.
	I forgot his name, bro.
	I know it.
	Leonardo.
	DiCaprio?
	Da Vinci?
	Da Vinci?
	Leonardo da Vinci?
	DiCaprio?
	Da Vinci.
	You are correct.
	What is the name of the famous car company founded by Henry Ford?
	Lexi.
	Wow.
	Ford.
	Good job, Lexi.
	Congratulations.
	Wow.
	You gotta go.
	If it takes three minutes to boil one egg, how many minutes does it take to boil three eggs?
	Three minutes.
	You are correct.
	How many nickels make a dollar?
	25.
	Wait.
	Wait, nickels, five cents.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Please don't be racist.
	Wait, what?
	That's crazy, bro.
	This girl's so racist.
	Please don't say that N-word on the show.
	It didn't.
	Shut up.
	That's crazy.
	Did you guys hear that?
	I heard that.
	Fucking racist.
	We've seen the lady who's talking about the functional microwave cover.
	Have you guys seen it?
	Oh my God, that was so funny.
	She kills me every time.
	Look at this.
	How many nickels make a dollar?
	20.
	How many nickels make a dollar?
	Oh, 20?
	I think.
	That is correct.
	What is 12 divided by 3?
	Four.
	100 divided by 4.
	25.
	15 plus 35.
	Dude, it's late.
	You got this.
	You got this.
	These are easy.
	35.
	You got 15, 8, 48.
	No.
	40.
	You are correct.
	It is 48.
	48.
	90 minus 45.
	55?
	Wait.
	48.
	45, yeah.
	Wait, what?
	Wait, 90?
	Wait, 90 minus 45?
	95.
	Yeah, come on.
	Do your Fendom math.
	Oh, shut up.
	It's what she's going to do when she's too old to do Fendom if she has a plan.
	We don't have time for that today.
	She's going to marry a rich lesbian woman.
	90.
	Wait, 90 minus 65?
	Wait, what was it?
	45.
	90 minus 45.
	90 minus 45.
	See, now my brain's going to hours right now.
	90 hours minus 45 hours.
	90.
	90 minus 50.
	I don't know.
	I'm too tired for this.
	You did it at the end on purpose.
	Yeah, that's not true.
	It's two in the morning.
	You can't expect us to get PRAND.
	I'm still old, then I can still do math.
	I could answer all these questions while like loop.
	What's the drug they give you?
	Well, then let's keep going.
	Hey, stop.
	When you get a surgery, I could be coming out of my anesthesia days after my third BBL revision surgery and still be able to answer these questions.
	And I fucking drank 10 bottles of tequila the night before, and I just got a concussion.
	Wow.
	And so brain damage.
	I'm so proud of you.
	I can still answer this shit.
	I'm so proud of you.
	I could be a vegetable and still fucking answer this question.
	I'm so happy.
	I'm so happy for you.
	Be careful if you're a bad person.
	I could be a vegetable.
	She'll abort you.
	I was just thinking about it.
Rapid Fire Trivia Round One 00:06:40
	How many branches of U.S. government are there?
	Oh, Lord.
	Legislative.
	Oh, she's even gotten named.
	She's gonna name them.
	Wow.
	I know legislative.
	Yep.
	Oh, executive.
	Yeah.
	And then I know one more, right?
	Legislative or executive.
	I don't remember the third one, but I know there's a third one.
	There's three.
	Is part of the.
	I don't know the third one, but I know there's three.
	Hey, please don't be anti-Semitic.
	Shut.
	Just call me a.
	Oh, no.
	She's just like talking about shoes and shit.
	That's crazy.
	I'm really shocked.
	She's already like.
	The Jews will not replace us.
	Let's see.
	What document begins with We the People?
	The Declaration of Independence?
	Declaration of Independence.
	How many stars are on the U.S. flag?
	50.
	What century are we in?
	21st.
	What galaxy do we live in?
	Galaxy.
	Galaxy.
	The planet Earth?
	Wait, galaxy?
	Okay, I can see far away.
	Maybe.
	Be nice.
	Be nice.
	Be nice!
	I'm just saying, look, we all have our gifts in our town.
	What galaxy are we in?
	I don't know.
	Guess.
	Are we in the galaxy far, far away?
	Are we here?
	Let me ask this.
	Let me ask this as I guess a yes or no.
	Are we in the Andromeda galaxy?
	No.
	Yes.
	What galaxy are we in?
	Aren't we?
	I'm going to sound really stupid if I'm wrong, but aren't we in the Milky Way?
	Are you sure?
	Yeah.
	See, I almost said that, but I thought that was completely different.
	How many in one dozen?
	How many in one dozen?
	Twelve.
	Congratulations.
	I'll give you an easy one after that.
	How many months in a decade?
	How many months in a decade?
	Yeah.
	12, 120?
	Correct.
	What year was the U.S. founded?
	1775, wasn't it?
	What country did the U.S. gain its independence from?
	Britain.
	Who was the first president of the United States?
	George Washington.
	Okay.
	What country is the Great Wall of China in?
	You know, I'm going to go with China on that one.
	How many letters in the alphabet?
	26.
	How many days in a year?
	365.
	How many days of the week end with the letter Y?
	All of them.
	What language do the people in Idaho speak?
	English or any other language.
	You are correct.
	Lexi, what ocean is California next to?
	The Pacific.
	Olivia, how many years are in a decade?
	10.
	How many are in a century?
	100.
	if a dozen eggs cost three dollars how much is each egg doesn't it if a dozen eggs four cents $3?
	I don't know.
	Four cents?
	It might be $0.4.
	Wait, if a dozen eggs cost $3.
	If a dozen eggs cost $3, how much is each egg?
	How much is one egg?
	$40.
	Yeah.
	$40?
	$40.
	$45?
	What about you, Rina?
	25.
	Are you sh final answer?
	Dude, it's two in the morning.
	Let's go.
	You got it.
	What is the closest star to Earth?
	The closest star to Earth.
	I don't know right now.
	Guess.
	Just guess.
	You know what it is.
	I probably would if I was not.
	The sun?
	You are correct.
	The big, you know, the thing in the sky?
	The thing that provides the lightning.
	Do you know what year the War of 1812 started?
	Oh, no, I have no.
	Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	1812?
	Oh, you just got me right there.
	Yeah.
	I would assume it's 1812.
	What weighs more?
	A pound of feathers or a pound of bricks?
	They weigh the same.
	What country is the Panama Canal in?
	Panama.
	Well done.
	What country is Mount Fuji in?
	I don't think Fuji is a country.
	What country is it?
	Oh, I don't think it is.
	I don't know.
	I feel like it's in somewhere in China.
	I don't know.
	Somewhere in China, okay.
	Maybe Korea.
	Japan.
	You are correct.
	What country is the Coliseum in?
	Italy?
	What country is the Taj Mahal?
	Taj Mahal.
	I don't even know what that is.
	Taj Mahal?
	Yeah.
	No idea what it is.
	Is India?
	Is it in India?
	It is in India.
	What language do people speak in Mexico?
	Mexican.
	Just kidding.
	Okay, that was fun.
	That was fun.
	If you pass the person in second place, what place are you in?
	First.
	Second.
	First.
	Sorry, my bad.
	Second.
	Oh, second.
	Duh.
	You pass them?
	Wait, if you pass them.
	Yeah, you pass them.
	Oh, so you're third.
	You're going to second.
	You're going up in front of them.
	You're passing.
	Where did the attack?
	Where did the attack on Pearl Harbor take place?
	Hawaii.
	That's acceptable.
	A farmer has 17 sheep and all but nine die.
	How many are left?
	17 minus nine is going to be.
	Wait, 17.
	Wait, he has 17 and nine die?
	All but nine die.
	Oh, nine.
	Okay.
	You are correct.
	What country is the Eiffel Tower in?
	France.
	What currency is used.
	You know too much Japanese shit.
	What country is used in Japan?
	What country?
	What country?
	Wait, sorry.
	What currency is used in Japan?
	You got me.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	You don't know?
	Lexington?
	I do.
	I want to say Yen.
	That's China.
	I think that's China.
	Oh, is it?
	That's China.
	No?
	No, it's in Japan.
	It's China.
	Oh, it's the Juan.
	Juan is in Korea.
	Juan is Korea.
	Adolf Hitler ruled which country?
	Germany.
	Germany.
Rapid Fire Trivia Round Two 00:04:07
	You are correct.
	Before Mount Everest was discovered, what was the tallest mountain in the world?
	Bro, I build engines.
	I don't know.
	Was it?
	I had no fucking clue.
	Fiji?
	I don't know.
	Mount Everest.
	You are correct.
	Mount Everest was the tallest mountain in the world.
	Oh, I see.
	You're just fucking with us because it's 2 a.m.
	No, that is not true.
	What country?
	Hold on.
	That's his.
	We should 11.
	Hold on, we're at the tail end here.
	What country did the Vietnam War happen in?
	Vietnam.
	You are correct.
	How much is a quarter of an hour?
	15 minutes.
	What is 34 plus 66?
	34 plus 66.
	7?
	No.
	Wait.
	30.
	Wait.
	34.
	I'm tired.
	Stop.
	30.
	Wait, wait.
	Wait, wait, 66?
	Wait, 7?
	34 plus 66.
	Add four to 66.
	60.
	66.
	I already did that, and I'm, what, 100?
	You got it.
	Good job.
	What is, who is the current U.S. president?
	Donald Trump.
	What is 100 minus 66?
	44.
	What is 100 minus 34?
	You're doing this to me on purpose.
	That's not true.
	Go get your money.
	Give me your cash.
	100 minus what?
	34.
	That's a 66.
	What is 77 plus 33?
	120.
	1.
	Wait.
	Wait, 70 what?
	77, 33.
	77 plus 33.
	120.
	I'm going to kill you.
	If you keep asking your math questions.
	No, no, what's going to kill you?
	It's fucking hard.
	I swear, I have like three.
	Let's go home.
	There's like three major.
	Come down.
	Can I just answer the math?
	I have like one more math question, basic.
	Well, there's maybe two.
	We're at the tail end, I promise.
	Five ten minutes tops.
	Monster hurt me.
	77 plus 33.
	I literally just said that, though.
	120?
	Yeah.
	Isn't just 100?
	I don't know.
	Table math.
	Wait, 17?
	77 plus 10.
	100.
	Wait, 110.
	Okay.
	If you were born 10 years ago, how old would you be today?
	I was born 10 years ago.
	I would be 10.
	How many world wars were there?
	Two?
	Okay, going.
	This is for everybody.
	What decade?
	So when I say decade, I'm looking for the 1810s, the 1950s, the 1730s.
	What decade was World War I?
	Ooh, wasn't it like 1910?
	17?
	I think it was in 1800s.
	1917.
	Sorry, 1800.
	Yeah, I think so.
	I don't know.
	What do you think?
	1920?
	Okay.
	I don't remember the exact year 1800s, though.
	1800s, okay.
	1820.
	Do you want to just throw out a decade?
	Sure, 1820.
	1820?
	1820.
	1820?
	I'm pretty sure it was like 1918 to 1920 something.
	Okay, what about you?
	Closer to Mike.
	Mike, Mike, Mike.
	1910 and 1920 as well.
	You said World War I.
	That was 1914.
	1910s.
	W. 1910s, yeah.
	What was the primary decade of World War II?
	1940 something?
	1940s.
	Oh, 1940.
	19.
	It was 1935 to 1945, I believe.
Final Thoughts Before Wrapping Up 00:16:10
	18?
	No, 1900s.
	1950.
	I don't know.
	The 50s?
	1940.
	Louder, please?
	1940.
	The primary decade?
	Primary decade.
	The 40s.
	I just got tired.
	I'm sorry.
	I didn't mean to say.
	World War II.
	Thank you.
	The 1940s.
	I want to say 40s, but I think it started in 39.
	Yeah, he said the primary decade.
	Yeah, yeah, just the primary decade.
	What is 64 plus 44?
	Oh, my fucking god.
	64 plus 44?
	66 plus 44.
	110.
	Wait.
	Yeah, 110.
	Okay.
	Name, I guess, hmm.
	Name one Allied power, one Axis power from World War II.
	Allied with us?
	Here, okay, I'll give you.
	Actually, you know what?
	Fuck it.
	Skip that.
	Name three Kardashians.
	Kardashians.
	Kim?
	Kylie, is that a.
	Jenner will accept Jenner.
	Okay.
	Courtney?
	That's three, yeah?
	Okay.
	Anybody listen to K-pop?
	No.
	Name three K-pop stars?
	Mike.
	Jenny Kim, Lisa, and Jisoo.
	Sweet.
	Okay, let's see here.
	Almost done.
	Promise you guys.
	We got five, ten.
	Okay, what percentage of men do you think are over six feet?
	Oh, maybe like 10 or 20.
	Not a lot.
	50 minutes.
	40.
	40%?
	Yeah.
	50%.
	50%?
	Not enough.
	Probably like 20, 30.
	25%.
	Under 10.
	Maybe around 20?
	I'll go with 30%.
	Rachel?
	Maybe 15.
	What percentage of men make at least $1 million a year?
	Oh.
	You're not going to give us the answer.
	Five or under?
	It's about 10 to 15.
	Okay.
	Oh, I was.
	Oh, sick.
	I got that.
	The previous one.
	Your answer is?
	5% or under?
	5%.
	Or under make over a million dollars a year, you said, right?
	$100,000.
	Oh, $100,000?
	No, $1 million.
	Oh, $1 million?
	Yeah, what percentage of men make at least $1 million a year?
	Under $5.
	Just give a fucking percent, please.
	2%.
	5%.
	Fuck.
	10%.
	3%.
	3%.
	2%.
	2%.
	10%.
	10%.
	5%.
	5%.
	3%.
	I was going to say 3.
	I think it's like 1%.
	It's less than 1%.
	It's less than 1% of men make $1 million a year.
	What percentage of men do you find attractive?
	One.
	My boyfriend, and that's it.
	40%.
	40%.
	Zero.
	Zero percent.
	Probably 40, 50.
	50%.
	40%.
	Less than one.
	40.
	Okay.
	Andrew.
	Yay.
	There you go.
	What percent of men have yachts?
	Oh, my God.
	Like one, probably.
	Less than one.
	Two percent?
	0.05.
	Yeah, 2%.
	Less than 1%.
	Way less than 1%.
	I'm going to say 0.01.
	Yeah, like nothing.
	It's less than 1%.
	Far less than 1%.
	I have a delusional state of mind.
	Let's see.
	Everyone's falling out of the air.
	Oh, show of hands, and I'll answer some of these perhaps.
	Have you ever slept with someone the same day you met them?
	I have.
	I've done that.
	No.
	I've done that.
	I'm a little.
	I had a hoe phase.
	Oh.
	I thought you said you were a virgin.
	I was a virgin.
	I'm a hoe for show.
	You said you were a virgin.
	I am a virgin.
	Born again.
	Yeah.
	Let's see.
	Nobody else?
	Just you?
	No, no, just me.
	It was me.
	Oh, well, I think some people are omitting their answers on this one.
	Does anybody, anyone here ever had the threesome?
	You had a threesome?
	Fivesome?
	No, fuck no.
	More than the threesome?
	No.
	Was it guy, guy, girl?
	I've done both.
	You've done a devil's threesome.
	What the fuck is a devil's threesome?
	When there's two dudes.
	Yes, I have problems.
	You got Eiffel Tower?
	I don't know what that means, and I don't want to tell you.
	Who's had the ho phase?
	Anyone had the ho phase?
	Lexi, you had the hoe phase?
	Into the mic.
	Into the mic.
	What was the ho phase?
	Like college just went from an all-girl school to suddenly not wearing a uniform.
	There's boys around.
	It was definitely phases.
	I dated someone for a very long period of time, broke my heart, hooked up with a couple people.
	Like, yeah.
	All right.
	Who here has hooked up with two guys in a 24-hour period?
	Well, considering a threesome.
	Yeah.
	No, just like individually is what I'm saying.
	Why are you looking at me?
	All right.
	Nobody, no two guys in the 24-hour period, really?
	None of you?
	I kissed two guys at a party.
	Like, I've taxed that.
	I feel like that's too much.
	Do you believe in collective guilt?
	I don't know what that means.
	Like everyone, like being white people.
	Men bad.
	Men have collective guilt.
	It's true.
	Absolutely.
	I don't know what that means.
	I'm tired.
	All right.
	I don't know.
	Are men the problem?
	Yes.
	Do you believe in collective guilt?
	Are men collectively guilty for the sin of being men?
	Yes.
	Yikes, that's incredible.
	All right, let's end it there.
	Okay.
	Do men suck?
	Yes.
	Are men trash?
	Yes.
	Do you hate men?
	Yes.
	Are you a misandrist?
	Yes.
	You're a fucking awful person.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Just gotta leave a little positivity there at the end, you know?
	Thank you.
	Genuinely, though, you're not just saying all this shit.
	You genuinely are all these things.
	I don't hate all men.
	I don't hate all men.
	But as most men, you hate men.
	Yes.
	Okay, that's still very objectionable.
	Can we put her in Wyoming alone?
	Wyoming is so pretty.
	I know, it is beautiful.
	I'll go with her to Wyoming.
	Septum piercing theory.
	Septum piercing theory, Rose.
	I just think, bro, most men, then you don't get electricity or running water or sewers or anything.
	Figure it out.
	Or 911 or firefighters.
	Car breaks down.
	I still got it.
	She got to call you.
	That's her.
	Yeah.
	You're her only option.
	I still got it.
	Do you think men suck?
	No, I don't think men suck.
	Are men trash?
	No.
	Do you hate men?
	No.
	Are you misandrist?
	No.
	Are men the problem?
	I don't think they're the problem.
	Should we repeal the 19?
	I don't know what that means.
	Okay.
	Is that what that's women's right to vote?
	Wait, that's women's right to vote, right?
	No, no, we should not.
	No, we should not.
	We should not repeat.
	No, women's right to vote.
	No, we should not take that away.
	I don't believe that.
	I think you've demonstrated that we should.
	Oh, shit.
	I just need to do more research.
	All right.
	Let's.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Let's see.
	Hold on.
	There's like two more.
	Hold on.
	What do you think about white men?
	Like the worst ones.
	Yikes.
	Oh, my God.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Personally, white dudes only.
	Just saying.
	It's my back to my family.
	What do you think about white people?
	I mean, half of my family's white, so.
	So, I mean, all white people or all white, all white people.
	I mean, you can put aside that you like your family, but just all other white people.
	I mean, I don't hate all white people at all.
	Do you hate most white people?
	No.
	Do you think most white people are bad?
	No, just racist ones.
	Are most white people racist?
	I wouldn't say so.
	I think it might be about 50% of the people.
	So it's just the white men.
	It's just the white people.
	You don't like white men.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Do you think white people are inherently racist?
	No.
	Okay.
	Hmm.
	I think that's it, to be honest.
	I think I'm...
	I think that's it.
	Hallelujah.
	Any final thoughts from anybody before I wrap this up?
	You should have told me.
	So where can we buy your book?
	To a different country.
	You can buy my book.
	I've traveled to Occult Feminism, The Secret History of Women's Liberation, if you want to find out what really happened with feminism and not all the garbage you've been told on Amazon.
	And please buy the book because it goes to Andrew's Gun Collection Fund.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Do we need men?
	No.
	Oh, like maybe.
	Wait, speak into the microphone that a man invented one more time and tell us that.
	Yo!
	No, that was crazy.
	No.
	So you might need to.
	No, I'm not going to just go and end everyone's life.
	What do you mean?
	But you.
	Can we put you in Wyoming with this?
	We don't have time for this.
	We've been talking about this.
	Wyoming is beautiful.
	It is beautiful, but how long would you survive there without men?
	It's purely hypothetical.
	It doesn't matter.
	You're just out in the middle of nowhere in Wyoming.
	No electricity, no grocery stores, nothing.
	How long can you make it?
	I don't know.
	What if you took 10 chicks with you?
	I'm not women or chicken.
	You took 10 women with you.
	Could you survive longer or would you die faster?
	Survive longer?
	Like, what are these questions?
	Like, let's just.
	Wait, why do you hate men?
	Just for fun.
	You hate?
	Just for fun.
	Just fun.
	That is privilege right there.
	That's insane.
	That is a huge level of privilege to hate a whole gender of species because it's funny.
	She also didn't get disciplined enough.
	That's all.
	Dude, my son.
	She needed more spanking.
	So you're saying that my son.
	Single family or single motherfucker.
	You hate men just for a while.
	No, that is a child.
	But will one day become a man?
	Okay.
	I don't grow into a man.
	I do not consider.
	I think we all want to go home.
	I just have to dumb.
	We should have all of that and then stay just for fun for this entire podcast.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	Wait, do you think Trump is a fascist?
	I think he is a racist, homophobic, fascist pedophile.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	They know what fascist means.
	What is the definition of a fascist?
	What is the definition of fascist?
	Because you don't know what it is.
	Homophobic, the guy that put rainbow flags on all of the foreign embassies, you think he's homophobic?
	Yep, I do.
	My name is.
	He pretty much dicks sucked by Bill Clinton, though, so that's not very homophobic.
	Okay, I voted for Trump, and I'll say his three biggest flaws are he's too pro-gay, he's too pro-woman, and he's too pro-Israel.
	So that's.
	All right, that's great.
	Let's go.
	Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
	Okay, please.
	No, we're not going to get into that.
	He needs to stop hiring women for everything.
	They call him like a mistake.
	I just don't give a fuck.
	Don't use words you don't know.
	Yeah, really quick.
	Just really quick.
	We won't dive into like the fascist debate, but just really quick.
	What is a fascist?
	Isn't it someone that's like...
	Isn't it?
	It's...
	Do you know who you are?
	You asked.
	Someone thinks like the hip-hop.
	I don't know the right word.
	I'm so fucking tired.
	I know what a fascist is.
	You know what a fascist is?
	Isn't it someone that I don't know?
	Do you know that?
	I don't know.
	I don't know what words you're using.
	You're literally calling me a human being.
	I don't give a fuck.
	I want to go home.
	You clearly don't give a fuck.
	You're so uneducated, honestly.
	Something so masculine.
	I would love to just.
	You're actually disingenuous.
	I am disingenuous.
	I'm a retard.
	No, I'm so stupid.
	Like, I'm the fucking person.
	I'm got high self-awareness.
	I just like, I'm uneducated.
	I'm stupid.
	Like, I have a lot of people.
	I'm not autism, too.
	A little autism in there.
	Probably.
	I'm on the spectrum.
	I need a tissue.
	A tissue.
	We have, there's a paper towels, a tissue.
	Like, yeah, yeah, just use a paper towel.
	Home girl.
	Wait, wait, hold on.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I swear it's coming.
	It's like right here.
	It's right here.
	I promise.
	I promise.
	Five minutes.
	Five minutes.
	Hard stop.
	Hard stop.
	Okay.
	Who here?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	You're Filipino?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Okay, I'll ask this super quick.
	Ah, fuck it.
	Wait, actually, fuck it.
	I'll ask it.
	In a morally neutral, blame-three.
	Sorry, I'm retarded.
	In a morally neutral, blame-free hypothetical conflict between the U.S. and the.
	You were born in the U.S. Your parents were born in the Philippines, though, right?
	Yeah, they.
	Do you have an affinity towards the Philippines?
	I'm sorry, I don't know what affinity means.
	Like, do you?
	Like, loyalty.
	Like, yeah.
	Do you have good feelings?
	Like, I have good vibes for the Philippines, but I'm not loyal to the country.
	I've never been there.
	I think it'd be ludicrous to be loyal to a country that I have.
	I don't know.
	My mom didn't teach me traditional ways.
	That's just like my.
	That's.
	Is your dad Romanian then?
	Okay.
	Romania is Orthodox.
	Is anybody here?
	Like, was anybody here born in a different country?
	No.
	Anyone here whose parents are like immigrants?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, I got it.
	I'm going to skip that.
	I'm going to skip that line of inquiry and I'm going to wrap the show up.
	Yeah.
	That was a good show, guys.
	I had a good time.
	Thank you very much.
	I'm glad you had fun.
	Thank you.
	I had a great time, Rachel.
	Thank you very much.
	Oh, wait, let me hide that.
	Okay, guys, really quick, we'll do our final call for Twitch.
	Pull up the Twitch tab.
	Guys, on your way out, drop us a follow over there on Twitch and drop us a prime sub.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Three hours without a prime sub.
	You are out of your mind, you viewers on Twitch.
	I need a prime sub right now.
	Vitas, vitas, quick, quickly.
	Give me a oh, merci buccou.
	Big wet be there.
	Merci buccu, biguet, bever.
	Su tribiasa.
	Eh, bien donk.
	Also, you guys, if you enjoyed this show, you must like the video.
	It will make me very happy if you like it.
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	I don't know what the fucking accent I'm doing.
	You were born in France, weren't you?
	I was.
	I was.
	DebateUniversity.com.
	I thought you were African American.
	Well, I am African-American.
	Because my dad was born in African moments.
	Never virginal black man from France.
	I am a virgin.
	I am a virgin.
	That is correct.
	Also, BLM, support BLM.
	But debateuniversity.com.
	If you want to learn how to become a master debater like Andrew Wilson and Rachel Wilson and other people that also master debate, you got to be debateuniversity.com.
	You got to check it out.
	It's great stuff, guys.
	Okay.
	Let me see if there's any shout outs I had to do.
	John Stray, thank you.
	Venmo.
	Big ups.
	Big ups, y'all.
	Yikes.
	What's another accent I can do?
	Should I do an accent?
	No, you shouldn't.
	No, you should not.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Do another one.
	Do Russian.
	Another one.
	Raw.
	Jake Rattlesnake accent.
	Sometimes Australia is a bit difficult, but I'll do an upper crusty British received pronunciation accent.
Live Stream Outro And Shout Outs 00:03:24
	Tiffany, dear.
	Go get me my loafers.
	Go, Tiffany.
	Chop, chop.
	Get me my loafers.
	I'm so over your shit.
	I want to go.
	Listen, dear.
	I do not want you.
	The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
	It's doing three more hours.
	I was awake at 5:30 this morning.
	Driving.
	Quiet.
	If your mouth, sir.
	The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
	Anyway.
	Now do a Japanese sample.
	No.
	No.
	Anybody can do like the nail salon Vietnamese?
	Honey, I'm doing a nail for you, $5.
	You're the gel to powder.
	You're the gel with the nail with the shine.
	Look so good.
	You're so pretty.
	Why you don't have boyfriends?
	Why you don't have boyfriend?
	Honey, they look like shit.
	I gotta, you know, I'm about to be charged with kidnapping at this point, so I gotta wrap the show.
	But I want to say, GG to the panel.
	Last call.
	Voice crack.
	Last call.
	Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Also, please leave a nice comment once the live ends.
	I read them.
	Positivity is nice.
	Helps with the algorithm.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you were here with me.
	I appreciate.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you guys to everyone who supports tonight.
	Shout out to Andy for that big champagne pop.
	You're a legend, sir.
	I don't know if you're still watching, but thank you.
	Thank you to everyone who just supports the show, watches the show, and all the patrons.
	Thank you guys.
	We're going to be live again Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, you can, of course, DM at whatever on Instagram.
	If you can make it to Santa Barbara, are we forgetting anything?
	Are we forgetting anything?
	Nope.
	My ring.
	Oh.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	I feel like we're forgetting something.
	No, no, we're great.
	2J-Z ran on social.
	Does your boy thing pay you child support?
	Boy thing?
	My what?
	Baby daddy.
	You have a kid do the bait BD?
	No, we co-parent.
	Co-parent?
	Okay, just curious.
	Just curious.
	I feel like I'm forgetting something.
	He's ragebaiting me at this point.
	Ragebait is.
	Yes, he is.
	Okay, Nathan, you know the drill.
	So, okay.
	07's in the chat.
	Thank you guys for tuning in.
	Thank you.
	You guys.
	By the way, thank you to the panel.
	You guys were wonderful.
	Thank you to the panel.
	07's in the chat.
	07's in the chat.
	And we will see you guys next time.
	Good night, guys.
	Okay, guys, that really quick before you get up, we are wrapped.
	Just one question.
	Did anybody lie about anything?
	No, I was very honest.
	Like, did anybody, like, the body count?
	Did anybody, like, do you want to reveal?
	Like, did anybody what?
	Did anybody lie about the body count?
	We're still live.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Aren't we?
	What?
	No, the stream's over.
	It says live right there.
	No, the stream's over.
	What are you talking about?
	It's not over.
	Way more censored with some of my questions.
	Wait, what are you saying?
	But did anybody lie about the body count?
	No.
	Wait.
	Nathan, we're still fucking live.
	Oh, my God.
	What the fuck, Nathan?
	Yeah, wow.
	Stretching lives?
	Everybody got to watch me stretch.
	I think you were off camera.
	Yeah.
	Wait, just put your head in and just feels like busy.
	Okay, but

Chapters

00:00:27 Introducing Rina The Mechanic
00:07:35 Stepping Back From Psychology
00:16:34 Avoiding Pain After Breakup
00:19:48 Dating Trans Women Openly
00:23:13 Fear Of Failing Again
00:37:04 Military Life And Health Struggles
00:40:48 Unfair Alimony Expectations
00:56:20 Value Beyond Physical Appearance
01:01:12 Finding Identity Outside Relationships
01:07:51 Opinions On Peaceful Protests
01:21:22 School Shootings And Gun Control
01:37:02 Generalizing Men Is Wrong
01:41:10 Supporting The Podcast Community
01:46:02 Comfortable Fabric Quality Matters
01:59:07 Consent In BDSM Practices
02:15:17 Risks For Men At Home
02:30:01 Bear Vs Man Hypothetical Debate
02:43:43 Defining Sexism And Consciousness
02:48:34 Killing The Unconscious Question
02:54:14 Sugar Daddies And Debt Issues
03:04:25 Artificial Wombs And Human Value
03:19:56 Pregnancy With A Wheelchair Injury
03:25:57 Responsibility For Chosen Pregnancies
03:41:17 Narcissistic Entitlement In Dating
03:57:39 Makeup And Plastic Surgery Truths
04:13:32 Aging Better At Forty Four
04:16:41 Pornography And Relationship Deception
04:31:45 Lying Through Omission Ethics
04:47:10 Illegal Immigration And Deportation
05:02:44 Stolen Land Historical Context
05:17:47 Consent Regarding Feet Touching
05:20:54 Height Requirements In Dating
05:25:40 Misogyny Versus Traditional Views
05:39:35 Rating Personal Sexism Levels
05:42:39 Combative Behavior Not Misogyny
05:58:38 Racial Dynamics In Aggression
06:13:52 Men And Self Defense Guns
06:19:38 Jail Time For Child Support
06:23:39 Bodily Autonomy Discrepancies
06:35:38 Voting ID Requirements By Gender
06:51:02 Trans Disclosure And Consent Issues
07:06:52 Rejecting Partners Because They Are Trans
07:21:46 Low Sex Drive In Relationships
07:24:56 Rejection Of High Body Count Men
07:37:19 Dating An Influencer With Cancer
07:40:09 Breakdown During Family Visit
07:55:10 Women Taking On Traditional Roles
08:04:18 Paying On The First Date
08:19:45 Being Pursued By A Man
08:24:35 Dismantling Feminist Concepts
08:28:09 Racial Preferences In Dating
08:31:44 Reframing Asian Male Dating Questions
08:35:13 Warning About Male Feminists
08:44:50 Rapid Fire Trivia Round One
08:51:31 Rapid Fire Trivia Round Two
08:55:38 Final Thoughts Before Wrapping Up
09:11:49 Live Stream Outro And Shout Outs