Andrew Wilson vs. 10 Feminists DEBATE! 3 RAGE QUITS?! SUPER FERAL CHAOS PANEL?! | Dating Talk 283
Andrew Wilson debates 10 women—including sex workers like Mars (30, ex-dietetics student), Ivy (26, cybersecurity student), and Anya Lacey (20, OnlyFans creator)—on gender roles, chivalry, and marriage, sparking heated clashes over prenups, promiscuity, and biological definitions of women. Driana Sixto (32, conservative media host) and Courtney (36, social worker) clash with Wilson on chivalry’s fairness, while Megan Loftus (28, comedian) defends traditional provider roles for men. The episode spirals into accusations of misandry, straw-man arguments, and fringe theories like "sneaky fucker syndrome," culminating in Wilson’s controversial claim that feminism "ruins society" and a bizarre debate over body counts, circumcision as mutilation, and the host’s near-aneurysm meltdown. [Automatically generated summary]
Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape.
I'm your host, Brian Atlas.
We're just going to jump right in.
Why don't you introduce yourself?
Go ahead.
Hello.
Into the mic, please.
Sorry.
Hello.
My name is Mars.
I am 29, turning 30 this March.
Yay, Pisces season.
And I am from the East Coast, living in San Diego now for 10 years, though.
So local.
And I've done some college.
My profession is I'm a business owner, body worker, and pro-goddess and dominatrix.
Okay, we will explore some of that stuff a little bit later on.
When you were in college, what were you studying?
I was going the dietetics route, but I definitely should have just done psychology.
Maybe I would have gotten through.
Okay, what about you?
Hi, my name is Ivy.
I'm 26 years old and I'm from New Mexico.
I am currently in college for cybersecurity and I'm a sex worker.
Can you be more detailed?
I work for OnlyFans, Sex Panther, and Hidden.
Okay, do you do any stripping or dancing or anything like that?
So I'm a content creator, a not safe for work content creator, and I also do safe for work content creation.
I have danced before.
Okay, got it.
What about you?
I'm Mary Jane.
I'm 36 years old.
I'm from San Diego.
I am a Dominatrix.
I also do Fireflow artistry, and I'm a Shabari artist, as well as a go-go dancer and an OnlyFans model.
I have some college experience, but I didn't graduate.
My major was going to be Arabic, and I wanted to be an interpreter.
Okay.
Any particular reason for the Arabic?
I'm Lebanese, but I was born and raised in San Diego, and I thought that I could be an interpreter to help people in court.
Are your parents Muslim?
Yes.
Are you Muslim?
I consider myself an ex-Muslim.
Do you still have a relationship with your parents?
Yes.
Are they devout Muslim?
I would say my mom is the kind of Muslim that goes to church on Christmas.
If that makes sense.
What about your dad, though?
My dad is less religious.
It's interesting, actually.
He went from being somewhat religious to less religious, and now he's more religious in his older age.
Okay.
Do they have an issue with your sex work?
My mother only knows that I'm a Shabari artist.
She doesn't know that I'm a dominatrix, and she doesn't know that I have OnlyFans.
And my father thinks that I'm mostly just performing on stage as like a dancer.
I keep most of it private.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
I'm Mia.
I'm from Kingston, Ontario, Canada.
And I am 26, an exotic dancer and an OF model.
All right.
And sorry, did you say anything about college or?
Um, no, I just took one credit in college.
When I finished my high school, it was like a dual credit, so it doesn't really count that much.
What about you?
Hi, I'm Kayla.
I'm 22, and I'm from Ohio, but I live in Los Angeles now.
And I've been a content creator since 2021, and I monetize on passes, and I dropped out of college.
Okay, sorry, could you repeat your age?
Yeah, I'm 22.
22?
Okay.
Have you ever done OnlyFans or anything like that?
Just passes.
What is passes?
It's like family-friendly OnlyFans.
What kind of content do you post on there?
I post bikini content.
Any partially nude content?
No.
So not nude content.
Okay.
All right.
And are you a Christian?
I would say I'm more spiritual, but I use Christianity as like a moral guideline type of thing.
Because I noticed in some of your bios you have scripture.
Yeah, I have, I think it's John 8, 32 in there.
Okay, gotcha.
The passes content, is it, do you receive demographics?
Nathan, we do need like whoever's talking, if you can.
Okay, so your passes content.
Do you know the demographics of who buys your stuff?
I have no idea.
They don't have analytics or anything like that?
I haven't looked at them recently.
Do you mean like gender or age or location?
Well, it would encompass all that, but I'm primarily looking for gender.
Yeah, it's like probably 99% male.
Okay.
And is it like you're posting bikini content?
Is it suggestive?
Is it sexually suggestive, even though you're not nude?
It's not sexually suggestive.
The way that I describe it is kind of like my Instagram, but for my fans that want to see more photos of me, and they pay to get certain poses quicker.
No.
Not certain poses.
No.
Essentially.
Just kind of like more photos.
So there's no requests, nothing like that.
There are.
Do you take money for those requests?
Can you be more specific?
Like if somebody said, I'll send you a thousand bucks if you do a bikini pick like this, would you do that?
Yeah, if it fell in the guidelines of what I'm comfortable with doing.
Okay.
Okay.
What about you?
Hi, I'm Sarah.
I'm 26 years old from Michigan.
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I have my associate's degree in liberal arts and general education.
And I work at Monster Energy.
Sorry, repeat your age.
I'm sorry.
26.
26, okay.
And I work at Monster Energy, giving out cans, putting cans in hands.
I also sing, songwriter.
That's me.
Okay.
Did you say college?
Yeah, associate's degree.
In what?
Liberal arts and general education.
Okay, got it.
All right.
What about you?
Hi, I'm Anya Lacey.
I'm 20.
I do OnlyFans, and I did most, like I did a decent amount of college, almost got my AA, but dropped out right before then.
All right, what about you?
My name is Driana Sixto.
I am 32.
I'm based out of Miami, Florida, and I am the Spanish media director for the Lincoln Media Foundation.
Prior to that, I was spokesperson for Turning Point Action.
I also have my own weekly news show in Spanish for Claridirecto América, which is a right-wing conservative YouTube channel.
I graduated from FIU, Florida International University, with a double bachelor's in international relations and political science.
All right.
Welcome, welcome.
What about you?
My name is Courtney.
I'm 36.
I came from Mississippi, Biloxi, Mississippi.
I have a bachelor's of science in psychology with a minor in criminal justice.
And my job is a social worker.
You said a BS in psychology?
Yes, sir.
When did you attain?
2017, or excuse me, 2016 or 2020.
I went to William Carey University.
It is quite a long time ago, but just could you relate to me one thing that you, since you do have a bachelor's in psychology, one thing that you could relate to us that you learned?
The limbic system.
It controls your fight or flight and your parasympathetic and your sympathetic nervous system.
Things like anxiety, depression, stress, and it directly affects trauma inside the brain.
And a fun fact, a childhood trauma, PTSD brain and a combat trauma PTSD brain look exactly the same in a brain scan.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
Let's go.
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Sorry.
Yeah, if you can pass it.
Hi.
I'm Megan Loftus.
Can you, you, can you scoot this way?
Just like, just lean a little bit?
Well, you don't have to do that much, but.
Thanks.
Hi, I'm Megan Loftus, and I'm from Chicago.
I'm a do stand-up comedian right now.
I'm a traditional daughter, and I just hang out with my parents a lot and do stand-up.
I'm 28.
And I have, I'm like one class away from getting my bachelor's in communication at Northeastern Illinois University, which is a state school in Chicago.
Okay.
Do you know somebody named Kate Loftus?
There's a lot of Loftuses.
Okay.
All right.
Next.
Hi, my name is Daniela.
I'm 21 years old.
I live in Tennessee and very explicitly not sexual at all, but I'm a massage therapist.
And I also instruct in Pilates and do some social media, but it's nowhere in the adult content field.
And you've never done that, is that correct?
No.
Okay.
You also, I looked at some of your content.
You, you're, I don't know what the right term is, you eat raw.
Is that the right way to categorize that?
Yes, yeah.
I follow a raw animal-based diet, so the majority of my food is from everything from raw meat, raw organs, raw eggs, raw dairy.
So you won't cook a steak.
You'll just, is it even a steak at that point?
It's just, is it still a steak if it's not cooked?
Yeah, because I mean, you still go to the store and you say, I'll have that steak.
Okay, so you'll eat a raw steak.
Yes, like steak tartare, for example.
Okay.
But you'll just have there'll be a slab of meat, like some center-cut tenderloin or something.
And you'll just eat it completely raw, uncooked.
Is that correct?
Yep.
You can go for it, including pork, including chicken.
Would you like cook it as a cheat meal?
Quicker, quicker.
I do have cooked.
I do have cooked meat on occasion, but again, raw animal-based, so the majority of meat I eat is raw.
Wait, can you clarify on the chicken real quick?
Yeah.
So it's a very different kind of belief than what is generally.
It's based in terrain theory.
So you actually want to increase salmonella exposure, which is something generally people would be not too privy to.
So having everything from raw eggs to get more salmonella exposure and also raw chicken.
I was going to say, do you start with like raw eggs to build up that exposure?
I didn't need to.
You know, I went from over a decade of vegetarianism and veganism, and then I went straight into the raw chicken and haven't looked back.
Have you gotten sick?
No, it's been three years and I have not gotten sick.
Congratulations, Gary.
Thank you.
Strong immune system.
Yeah.
So, but you'll just leave meat out overnight too, right?
Yes, yeah, there's different kinds of fermented meat that's called high meat.
So, you can ferment it up to weeks and eat it.
Same with eggs, same with milk, same raw dairy, you can ferment a lot.
But it is good if you leave it out overnight because it gets more bacterial exposure.
What about parasites?
Yeah, exactly.
What about parasites?
Yeah.
So, again, within terrain theory, this is completely different than germ theory, which is the standard narrative.
And the idea is that parasites are not necessarily negative.
There's a lot of benefits that you can have to them, and parasites being used as beneficial because they're actually able to eat dead tissue within the intestines.
Some people detox, like go through a parasite detox using wormwood.
Yeah, specifically not to have any kind of parasites within them.
So, I haven't heard your theory, but I'm willing to learn about different things.
I mean, I'm surprised you're here, so that's a good thing, right?
Yeah, I mean, I'm here, I'm still kicking.
I anticipate to continue kicking, but I can get more into that later and into the history of it and to kind of how I got into that way of eating.
But, like, if somebody just jumped into it, like, could a normal person just eat with you in the sense that like you've maybe built up a tolerance to the salmonella or whatever the fuck?
Like, could I just join you for the dinner you eat, or would it have to be like a build-up?
No, normal people join me all the time.
I mean, I have friends that come over and they try it.
I had a rye meat-eating party one time where I prepared like a bunch of chicken and purposefully invited friends who had never tried it before.
They're like, fine, okay, I'll try a little bit.
And they tried and they didn't get sick, and they felt fine and they felt happy.
Do you at least season things and like lime to kill off bacteria?
Because that's a thing that you do with ceviche, which is Peruvian food, which you cook the fish but with a lime sauce, so it kills off the bacteria.
Do you do any of that?
I mean, sometimes, like just for fun, but I don't make a practice of it.
And, you know, same as applicable to pork.
Got it.
Do you only eat raw food?
No, it's raw, animal-based, so that's the majority of my food.
But I'm not, I would say, insanely religious about it.
You know, on special occasions, for example, you know, I'll have some bread.
But I mean, if you're going to eat meat, is it always raw?
I'd say about 90% of the time.
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Okay.
Interesting.
Okay.
Andrew, what about you?
Yeah, my name is Andrew Wilson.
I'm also an OnlyFans.
I have the largest female clientele in the United States.
You can find me on dadbod.com.
So that's who I am.
That's what I do.
I also sell I sell feet pics on feetfinder.com My name is Andrew Wilson, the host of The Crucible.
It's a very large political debate channel on YouTube.
I'm a political analyst, a political satirist, and I have conversations and debates with people from all over the world.
All right.
Welcome, everybody.
And we do have the lovely Chloe Yummy, Chloe Yummy, joining us.
I overbooked.
So really quick, you guys are wondering why.
Look at how many fucking people are at the table, right?
I overbooked.
That's why it took us a little longer to get set up.
So sorry for the delay with the start time there, everybody.
But yeah, we are quite.
It's 14 people.
I think this is the most overbooked.
I've ever done it.
Usually I overbook because predictably the day before, the day of, even days leading up to the show, people invariably cancel or they no show.
But I don't know if I want to say fortunately or unfortunately, everyone was very reliable.
So they all showed up.
So usually we want people to be reliable, but in this case, we did overbook things.
So Chloe Yummy's in the back.
She's just taking precedence on this show, Brian.
Anytime.
Every down.
Every time.
Every time.
So overbooked.
Overbooked.
But some people are going to tag in, tag out.
And yeah.
But we're going to go around the table once more.
What is everybody's relationship status?
And if you're single, how long have you been single and longest relationship starting with you?
Okay.
So I am single as of like six, seven months ago, but I definitely am not alone.
What does that mean?
It means that I'm not in a traditional relationship, but I do have men.
And yeah, I mean, I guess we're talking about men.
Like just hookups or something.
Just hooking up with different guys.
It's more than that, though.
They're somewhat of companion friends.
It's a dynamic, but I'm single.
I'm free.
They're free.
Is it like sugar daddies?
I wish.
Situationships.
Yeah, can you just polyamory?
Take a second.
Yeah, so because of the work I do and the place I am in my life, I have, I've been wanting to try polyamory for a while.
And I kept letting men change my mind and tie me down.
And after my last breakup, I decided.
I hate it when they said I hate it when those bastards are.
So controlling.
Yeah, they just want to own me.
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It's crazy.
So, so yeah, I decided, though, this time around, I'm sticking to my guns and I'm only accepting people, men or women, mostly men.
I'm predominantly straight, a little flexible, but it's harder to find that romantically, I find.
So, yeah, I have some companions that, again, I am a dom, so they serve me real quick for me.
When you said it's hard to find that sort of flexibility, you mean it's hard to find men who will share?
Oh, no, I mean finding women companions that aren't my friends.
Okay.
So, because I am a dominant female and I have locked in and been portraying that, I did initially start out as a submissive in this world.
I haven't always portrayed this, but I have always had that energy within me.
So, I have men that serve me.
They're my friends.
Some of them have the honor of sexual relations with me.
And they're very honored.
Very, very lucky, very honored, very grateful.
And yeah, I don't know.
That's what they do.
They're my homies.
They change my life for the better.
Are you honored to be in a sexual relationship with them?
Am I honored?
Well, if they're honored, shouldn't this be a bit symmetrical?
I can be honored.
I feel honored for the other things that I get in the relationship.
I can't exactly say I'm honored by what they're giving me sexually, but we all have our different strengths and weaknesses and things that we really appreciate out of someone, needs that we need fulfilled, certain needs we don't need fulfilled as aggressively.
I notice that you're wearing some crystals this evening.
Yes.
You like crystals?
I enjoy crystals.
Yeah, this is a Labradorite.
This is definitely a man-made, cutesy little, I don't know, it could be.
What's your favorite color crystal?
My favorite color crystal.
I don't, I wouldn't say I have a favorite color, crystal.
Maybe green.
Green's my favorite color.
Labradorite's really beautiful because it's got lots of green and blue tones and it's kind of iridescent.
Does that go with the goddess stuff?
I think crystals are very beautiful and they go with that and much more.
I mean, they have many purposes to them other than their beauty.
Okay.
So I think women collect crystals like men collect cards, right?
Something like that.
Crystals are a gift from God.
I am in a monogamous relationship.
So I've been with him less than a year now.
But.
What was the longest relationship you've ever had?
The longest relationship that I've ever had was probably about three years.
Okay.
What about you?
Hi.
What about you?
I am currently single.
I've been single for a year.
I'm polyamorous.
I am currently seeing someone, and I also have a sex slave.
Okay.
When you say you're poly, so you're, are you dating multiple people?
Yes.
So with polyamory, even when I'm single and I'm not in a relationship, I still consider myself polyamorous.
And then if I'm in a relationship, I'm still open to more than one relationship.
And I have had two partners at once.
You said you're dominatrix, right?
Is your sex slave a paying client then?
No, actually, we started out as just friends, became friends with benefits, and then I asked him if he would be interested in being my sex slave, which actually helps me with my work.
Doesn't that kind of like destroy the whole idea, though?
Like, if you're going to have a sex slave, isn't it not supposed to be consensual?
Isn't that where like the real slave driver energy is, right?
Is like they don't want that.
That's what makes them a slave.
I think it depends on the submissive and the dominant.
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Because for me, he's giving me consent within that amount of time to have my way with him.
So who's really in charge?
The submissive, ultimately.
The submissive house is a little bit more.
So then you're the submissive.
Not exactly, because I'm leading the scene, but the submissive has the right and the opportunity to end the scene at whatever time.
So I like to describe it like this.
When I negotiate with someone and I start to get consent from them, it's like they're drawing an outline of a book, like a coloring book.
And then they're giving me the colors that I'm allowed to use, and then I'm coloring in the page.
And that's how we create the experience together.
Okay.
I'm single, and my longest relationship was probably like, I don't know.
He would probably call it like three years, but in reality, it was like nine months because he wasn't really just dating me.
So, yeah.
But you were with him for three years.
Yeah, on and off.
But I think it was a lot of like just me being the one dating and he was just doing what I think he was telling people we weren't dating, but had a lot of messy relationships.
So it was on and off.
Yeah, I would think that's a good idea.
Were you seeing other guys?
I was not, but he was seeing other girls.
But you said there were off periods during those off periods.
Like in his eyes, in his eyes.
But in my, like, I mean, like, It was like three years, but I mean, like, I don't think for him, it was like three years.
So, you were completely exclusive to him for the entire duration of the three years?
Yes.
How long have you been single?
Um, maybe like two and a half years or so, I'd say.
Uh, two and uh two and a half years.
Okay, what about you?
Um, I would like to say I'm in a relationship, but technically we broke up in the beginning of this year.
Um, so it's kind of complicated.
But my longest relationship was almost five years.
Is that the currently complicated one?
No, no.
I'm a little confused.
So, you'd you'd like to say that you're in a relationship?
Yeah, like it's complicated.
We're technically not together, though.
Are you still smashing?
We are I mean, right?
Isn't that usually how that goes?
We still hang out, and we're on good terms.
But, wait, hold on.
Uh, you so you uh I'm a bit confused.
When's the last time you saw the guy?
Like a couple days ago.
Did you guys hook up?
That's a yes.
Yeah.
Uh, at any wait, is it the five-year guy, or this is a different guy?
No, the five-year was when I was like a little younger.
Okay, but the current guy where it's complicated, that's been one year.
Have you at any point have you called each other boyfriend, girlfriend?
Are you saying with this last guy?
The current complicated situation.
So, the current complicated situation, um, I've known him for about two years, and yeah, we were dating, but we broke up in the beginning of this year.
Okay, dating, but broke up at the beginning of it.
I just, like, I'm at a point where when I'm in a relationship, like, I basically train myself to only be able to be attracted or interested in one person.
And, um, but if he's not, if you're not sure that he's loyal to you and you're, like, in this ambiguous, unknown space of I would like him, but I don't know if he likes me.
I don't know if he's dating me.
Why do you do that to yourself?
Are you just like weaning off?
Yeah.
It's like a complicated situation.
Was he mad?
We wish you the best.
Yeah, yeah.
Was he mad about the content stuff?
No.
So there was other contributing factors.
Yeah, it was a bunch of different things.
Gotcha.
Okay.
I'm just confused.
Usually when you break up with somebody, it's like you don't continue to do it.
Is it?
Yeah, it's over, but like, I just don't see the benefit of going around saying I'm single.
What do you mean?
Even though he's not with you anymore.
Correct.
Well, but it's a good guy.
Well, it's not just that.
I mean, you guys are continuing to sleep together.
Do you guys live together?
No, not currently.
Doesn't that hurt your heart?
No.
Oh my god.
Can you stop, Chloe?
Stop distracting my producer, please.
If you're gonna leave, just leave.
What's the deal?
What's the deal?
I'm just like nervous.
Okay.
We got a show to run, Chloe.
What do you want to do?
You need to make a decision.
It's either stay or go.
I was trying to leave.
We're not holding you captive.
The door is that way.
Nathan, please behind her.
You can take that seat then, I guess.
All right, what about you?
I'm single.
I've been single for like five, six years since 2020.
My longest relationship was two years.
Okay.
What about you?
Single for, I think, like two, two and a half years.
Longest relationship was between two to three years, somewhere around there.
All right, what about you?
I am happily in a relationship with a fantastic man.
He's my boyfriend.
For how long?
For about, say, half a year now.
Do you have, were you previously married?
Yes.
How long were you married for?
Six years.
Six years.
Okay.
Who initiated the divorce?
It was, again, mutual.
It was a no-fault divorce.
So no lawyers involved, and both people at the courthouse signing together.
So very clean, and we wished each other the best.
So I think it's the cleanest divorce in history.
Okay.
Doesn't someone typically have to file the paperwork, though?
In Florida, you can just go to the office together and sign paperwork together.
Yeah.
Pay $407, and that is it.
So.
Okay.
Did he have to pay you alimony?
Nope.
Did you have to pay him alimony?
Nope.
Okay.
All right.
Sounds pretty clean then.
What about you?
Next?
I am currently married.
I've been married for a while.
How long?
We've been together total for six years in June.
And previously, I have an ex-husband.
We were together for 13 years total.
We were married for nine.
Okay.
You have an ex-husband, you said?
Yes, sir.
So you've been married twice, is that correct?
Yes, this is my second marriage.
Second marriage, okay.
Who initiated the divorce for the first marriage?
I did.
It was an unhealthy situation, I'll just say that.
And it was mainly for my safety.
And there's other factors.
Any kids?
No, sir.
Your ex-husband, did he pay you alimony?
Does he pay?
No alimony?
No, sir.
Okay.
What about you?
I am single.
My longest relationship was two and a half years.
And I was single for a little while and then very briefly saw a guy and that ended about two weeks ago.
Oh, two weeks ago.
Yeah, it lasted a total of four days.
So I think one of the shorter ones.
Who broke up with Hill?
I did.
Unfortunately, I think we wanted different things.
I don't think he was honest about all of his intentions and the interaction.
Yeah.
What do you mean?
He wanted more sexually than I wanted to provide.
How so?
Just I didn't want to do the things that he wanted to do.
And he, yeah.
Kind of want you to spill the tea.
Well, so it was like specific sex acts that you were uncomfortable with.
Is that a fair way to categorize it?
Yeah, I mean, I didn't want to do any of those kind of acts, especially like we had been together such a short period of time.
But he, you know, wanted something else.
And then when I found that out, I was like, okay, well, you know, I'm not really interested in that department then.
So it wasn't a hesitation on your part to have sex, but it was the specific, perhaps specific acts that you were just not comfortable with.
No, I mean, I didn't want to have sex periods.
Oh, period.
Okay, so he wanted to have, maybe it's more simple than that.
He wanted to have sex and you didn't.
Yeah, and just two more sexual things that I just, you know, do not want to do so early into a relationship.
Not an anal girl.
You know, one could say that.
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I get it.
So how did you meet him?
We originally met online.
Dating out?
No.
From what I do, social media, he had messaged me and we just talked and got to know each other.
Were you guys in the same city or was it like long distance?
No, no, and we were friends for quite a while.
There wasn't.
So how long did you know him?
I'd say probably about nine months or so.
Nine months.
Okay.
Before then, we started to get away from that.
But then you only there was only romantic component for four days.
Is that fair to say?
Yes.
Okay, so together.
So like you went on one date?
I'm just a bit confused.
No, no, we had gone on four dates.
Each day?
Yes, yeah.
We hung out for four days straight and I was like, wow, this is so awesome.
And then I was like, oh.
Okay.
It does not.
Yeah.
No, no, no.
He actually, he ate raw meat too.
So it wasn't about the raw meat.
Could you please be a commentary?
Could you date a guy who wasn't quite on your level with the diet, I guess?
I mean, there's like variants to it, but I think it makes most sense to date somebody who has a similar lifestyle.
You know, maybe they don't need to eat in the exact same way that I do, but I think it for compatibility.
Well, how about this?
No raw food, but they were carnivore.
So cooked eggs, cooked meat, cooked other things.
That just wouldn't make very much sense to me.
I guess if they were able, they were willing to convert, but if you're already on like the carnivore train, why wouldn't you want to eat it raw?
Seasoning is why.
Seasoning.
Who said that you can't season?
And a good seer.
I do have a question.
I want to know where you found another person that also eats raw meat.
Oh, man.
There are so many of them.
They are hiding out there.
There's actually quite a few.
I got introduced to it, all from three women that I knew, and there was a pretty decent primal community in where I was living.
It's called the Primal Diet.
And there's a decently large community for it online as well.
Okay.
So.
Is that a good place to find each other and maybe like date other people that only eat raw food?
I mean, maybe, but there's a lot of interesting figures in that community that, you know.
I mean, it's people eating raw chicken.
Some of them are cool, and then some of them I think are a little dove off the deep end.
What is the, what's, I'm curious, genuinely, what is the deep end of not cooking your food and just eating like raw bee?
There's this one guy who, his name is Godis online, and he's done a lot of activism, some might say, to promote the diet.
But he also has wild takes like throwing acid on women.
So that would be the rabbit hole.
What about like Liver King?
What kind of thing?
Yeah, what kind of acid that will burn them?
So he's in jail?
No, he's on the run.
And he's an influencer at the same time?
He's not presently making videos, but he is probably the person with the largest online following for the raw meat community.
Do you think the parasites got to his head?
Yeah.
I think he was just.
Some people are just born with something inside of them.
Or they ate it.
Or they, I mean, you could say that too, but I don't think that was necessarily a contributor.
There's a lot of people who are part of the raw community, who have been part of it for decades, who are normal, practical, happy, healthy people.
I would argue the more famous one is like Liver King.
Right?
Yeah, I mean, perhaps.
I feel like everyone's heard of Liver King.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But he's not necessarily in the primal community, I would say, because he's, I mean, there's a whole thing with steroids and whatnot, and generally the primal community has a focus on naturalism.
So staying away from those kinds of things.
But I mean, everything's intermeshed nowadays.
So I guess Liver King could be the biggest guy, but Augustander Planet.
So you would not, whoever you're going to date, they have to get on your page diet-wise.
Is that correct?
Yeah, I mean, ideally, they would already be there.
I don't want to force somebody to do something they're not comfortable with.
But my last relationship, which was the longest relationship, not the four days one, he very much did not eat raw meat.
And throughout the relationship, I did.
But it makes sense to probably tell somebody, like, hey, by the way, first thing you should know about me before we even go on a date is I eat everything raw.
And if you don't eat things raw, then this isn't going to work out.
Is that what you usually do?
I don't know.
I mean, I'm not very experienced with dating, to be frank.
So I'm not really like, okay, full disclosure, you know.
If you went to a restaurant and they like, you would tell them not to cook your food.
Yeah, there's a lot of things you can order, like steak tartare, for example.
That's pretty popular.
And I'm also very specific about the kind of meat I do eat.
I don't want to eat anything that was factory farmed.
So that limits the kinds of restaurants you can go to.
Generally, those are going to be more higher end farm to table, which almost always have a raw dish available.
They'll know before they pick the restaurant.
Yeah, they'll know.
So a couple things here on this.
A couple things here on the whole raw situation.
Really quick, though, you said you don't have much dating experience.
Can you clarify what you mean by that?
I just haven't gone on many dates.
Well, have you been, well...
I suppose.
I mean, I have dating experience in the sense that...
Have you had relationships?
Yeah.
Yes, I said I had the relationship for two and a half years.
But is that your only relationship that you've had?
No, I've had two relationships, and the first one was a year and a half.
You need to speak straight into them.
Yeah, the first one was a year and a half, and then the next one was two and a half years.
So I've had two relationships.
I see.
Well, with the raw stuff, I mean, this is like.00001% of the population that would that either already does this or would be willing to have this kind of diet.
From a dating perspective, I think it's gonna close a lot of doors, not to say that it's impossible.
There's obviously an existing community, and you can try to pull from that pool of people.
You said you're a bit more traditional, is that correct?
Yeah.
Are you Christian?
No.
Okay, but you're, so when you say you're traditional, I guess in what ways?
Well, I don't associate really with any religion.
I think there's great parts of each one, but I don't subscribe to any of that specific dogma.
I guess a lot of it is just based in naturalism as well and just kind of the natural order of life and of living.
Natural order.
In terms of dating between men and women.
Well, naturally speaking, men would be the provider in the relationship and women have the element of being the nurturer.
Are the men the leaders?
In some regards, too.
Do you mean in some regards?
In all regards?
No, not in all regards.
So, from your perspective, should women be submissive in a relationship?
No, I don't think women need to be submissive in relationships.
So, why should men lead?
Because we each have different strengths and qualities, and that really depends on from person to person.
So, lead you when you're in the mood to be led and you have permanent veto power in all decisions situations.
Well, I'm exploring her worldview.
Yeah, I mean, I don't think that in like the end-all-be-all case, I think each individual person has things that they're good at.
For example, in my last relationship, he was, you know, he knew everything about finances and everything like that.
And I deferred to him a lot in that realm.
So, you're more socially conservative and then economically conservative, or then it just really depends on relationship to relationship.
I think that there's a big nuance there.
Should men pay for first dates?
Yes.
Should men be providers in a relationship?
Yeah, I mean, if you want to have children with a woman, I think it makes sense to do that.
So, men have all the responsibility and none of the authority if they're dating you.
No, I mean, they can have authority.
I think that things are not.
They can or can't.
They can.
It ends up being a discussion.
I mean, ultimately, somebody that you're in a relationship with, if they're telling you to do something you really don't want to do, for example, like today, in today's realm, I think that there's a lot of men who like a lot of aspects of traditionalism and they like a lot of things of these nature.
But they, what I've seen a lot happen to many of my girlfriends is that they'll end up getting forced into things they're not comfortable with, specifically in the sexual department.
You know, I think, number one, you have to listen to God, you have to listen to your intuition.
And if something doesn't feel right to you, you shouldn't defer to that just because somebody you love is telling you to.
Hold on, when you say forced, what are you talking about?
Maybe the word you wanted was pressured?
Yeah, pressured, but I mean, there are instances of people being more forced into it.
Like manipulated.
Yeah, like really manipulated.
I had a friend.
Forces are in an ultimatum.
Yeah, and an ultimatum.
So ultimately, I mean, everybody has autonomy and they can decide, but there's a manipulative aspect to that.
I think men that can be great leaders, but women have the areas that they can.
But none of that's force.
Outside of sexual stuff, obviously, do you think it's okay for men to pressure, coerce you into a certain thing if it is for your own good?
If it's in your best interest in mind, then I think that's a good idea.
What if you don't think personally it's in your best interest because you don't know it yet?
I mean, it depends on the thing.
You can always experiment, and I don't think you should be so diehard on that department.
Are we officially on the topic of what is the role of men and women in relationships and who should be more submissive or dominant or what?
Yeah.
You let us know, Brian.
I mean, it's good to know whether to chime in or not.
Well, in your ideal relationship, like you, not even yours, but just generally the ideal relationship.
Do you believe that a woman should be submissive?
For whatever reason, I don't think submissive is necessarily the right word.
I think we defer to each other in different ways.
You know, for example, if you're a mother with a young child, right, and ideally you wouldn't be doing sleep training.
Be with the child all the time, you'd be breastfeeding, and you'd have that experience with a child, you'd probably have a better idea of what that child needs in those early development years than the father might have if he's gone at work.
And that's not to say that the father isn't in touch with his child.
It doesn't mean he doesn't love his child.
But our different experiences will create a different environment in which we're able to.
So, what's your definition?
Because we might be missing definitions on submissive.
Like, what do you think I mean when I say submissive?
Yeah, I guess for me, I come from a Catholic background, so I grew up Catholic and always kind of that association of submissive is just saying like yes to everything, being like, okay, fine.
So, that's just kind of what I've come to associate it with because that's how I've seen submissive be played out.
Don't you think, like, being submissive, you would be more prone to do that to somebody that you trust rather than someone you just met?
Isn't that the point of the breastfeeding and the getting to know somebody?
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I mean, that's a very fair point.
I think with all of that, women have to have a lot of discernment when they get into a relationship.
You really got to know.
And if you can get in a position where you're with a man who does love you and who does have your best intentions at mind, then that's a situation you can be submissive.
But the reason why I have such a differentiation with that is because I think a lot of women kind of lack that discernment and they lack getting in these situations and in these relationships with men who really do have their best interests at heart.
That does exist and that is possible.
I have a completely differently different idea of why things are so messed up in relationships nowadays.
And I think it's because we are living in times that have never existed before between men and women.
I'd say up until the 1970s, women weren't really equal to men when it comes to being financially independent.
Up until the 1970s, by the way, I'm very conservative, so I'm just pointing out the facts.
And the reason I'm even on this show.
Let me listen.
The reason, yeah, the reason I'm even on this show is because I think that we need to fix relationships between men and women so that we have more nuclear families.
And so I want to speak the truth to help both sides, men and women, get along a lot better.
And I'd like to say that.
And so, yeah.
Can I just add to that is that I agree with like, it's just the technology, technological era, era.
For me, my opinion on what you're saying is that I just think like we have an impatience in society when a man, yes, because we're in the modern now.
Yeah, but I'm going back to the 1970s.
So let me, yeah, let me go back a little bit more where women and men exactly.
And so just the millennial generation of women is the first generation that can be financially independent without the need to change without the need of a man.
So the millennial woman can technically afford life for herself.
Do you think that's a good question?
That's the biggest crock of shit ever.
So, well, we could disagree, and that's why we're here, right?
Yeah, so we're talking about women don't need men financially, therefore, they want them for different reasons, emotional reasons.
Do you think that's a good intelligence?
The thing is, is when you're talking about women not being able to get credit cards, women couldn't incur debt.
They weren't allowed to incur debt.
Yeah.
So who incurs the most amount of debt in modernity?
Okay.
Who?
Men or women.
Well, women in the United States, correct.
So the thing is, is like, that doesn't seem like that's financial independence.
It seems like that's financial slavery to me.
Well, they owe it to the best.
And not only that, most of the time that they end up with houses, they own more houses than men.
They usually get them in divorces, not because they bought them straight out.
And the idea here, women could get bank accounts, actually.
It's just if they were married, they didn't.
And it went through the husband because the husband was responsible for all the debt.
The women could not incur debt.
They could still spend the money, but they couldn't incur the debt.
Yeah, but they also couldn't take out a loan or have a great deal.
They could take out loans.
They just couldn't take out loans.
If they were married, their husband took out the loan because they couldn't incur the debt.
That was a good thing.
So there wasn't financial independence, is what I'm trying to say.
less financial independence and that's why nowadays no if you're married why would you want Okay, let's back up.
Why would you need financial independence if you're married?
Because one has to be a marriage.
Because that's counterintuitive.
People have historically been in positions of power over other people.
People abuse that power when you have any kind of relationship in history where there's FemCon stuff.
No, I'm actually extremely conservative.
And because of.
Yeah, feminist conservative.
FemCon.
Because of the fact, because of the fact that men back in the day, again, weren't able to, or women back in the day were not able to be financially independent.
They were in a position where they couldn't be their individual selves.
Right this second, right now, as we speak, if you're married, can your wife go into your account and take your money?
Not every relationship is.
Hang on, let her answer.
Yes.
Yes.
Absolutely.
I don't understand.
Vice versa.
So what do you need independence for?
So you can be your own individual person.
You're still your own individual person.
No, if you don't have any financial money.
If I had to rely on my hands and I would feel like you really want me to try to argue with five people at once.
We're not arguing.
It's a discussion.
Okay.
It sounds like it.
Sorry.
Anyway, so you're married.
You have a husband.
You need financial independence from your husband.
I think every person should be.
Now, hang on, hang on.
My question.
I want to make sure that you say yes or no, and then the qualifier.
Are you asking me a question?
I need you to answer yes or no, then the qualifier.
No, it's a full answer.
Okay, fine.
You're not going to answer it.
But go ahead.
So, yes.
So, yes, I still think that people are individuals regardless of whether they are in a partnership with somebody else or not.
And that's why more women are refusing to be married.
And I think the number one reason, the number one proof that women weren't happy or satisfied back in the day when they supposedly didn't have to work is that when they were offered the opportunity to join the workforce, they did, right?
They did, and they became more financially independent.
They joined careers.
They got degrees.
And so I want it to be.
That's completely ahistorical.
Here's what actually happened.
Are you telling me I'm saying that?
Are you saying that I'm like, was she?
Can we get a terminal?
Turn the butter.
Turn the butter ladies.
Just because you're married doesn't mean your man has all your best interests and your desires at the forefront of his.
They should have your best interests.
Well, they're not.
They don't.
They should.
That'd be nice.
Hang on, calm down.
Calm down.
That'd be nice.
And the perverted over time.
Let him make his point, ladies.
Let him make his point, ladies.
The whole thing is ahistorical anyway.
The reason that women had to enter the workforce because you couldn't afford anymore to have one income.
Most women prefer not to work.
Most married women prefer not to work.
Most women, when asked, say that they would prefer, if they've been in the workforce, to be out of the workforce.
Why?
Because most men would prefer to be out of the workforce.
It wouldn't be nice if I could just sit at home all day and do nothing.
That sounds fantastic.
But here's the thing.
Hang on, hang on.
Let me finish.
His point of view.
So the other thing is, all you're advocating is that wives need to have financial independence from their husbands.
Correct.
Why?
So that they can't be.
Yes.
And this is.
Just in case we need to leave these businesses.
How is this a conservative position?
And this basic concept that we as conservative women are trying to get men, conservative men like you to understand is the reason that there is this complete ideological divide where even conservative women are not getting married.
What is the difference between this position?
Don't blanket that way.
And you just said one sentence that is extremely important, which is women, they're just going to stay at home and do nothing if they're married.
And the fact that you don't understand the intrinsic value of being a homemaker and a wife, that is the reason why there is this problem, right?
Just because women have worked but not have been paid for the work that they do as a homemaker, as a full-time child taker.
This is a feminist position.
No, this is not.
This is unpaid labor at home.
It's a feminist position.
Yeah, guys.
It is the ultimate feminist position.
Women are getting unpaid labor at home.
No, it is a paid paid for taking care of their children.
It is an intelligent capitalist position.
How is that in a capitalist position?
So a smart woman is going to consider, hey, am I going to get into a relationship with a man that expects me to cook and clean for us and for our kids in the day?
How hard is it to cook?
The best example.
The best example I can put is, you know, let's say that you have a child that is yours biologically dropped at your doorstep one day.
The mother is nowhere to be found.
You now have to take care of this child.
How do you take care of that child if not by paying somebody to cook for it, to feed it, to look for it right around the clock?
So a caretaker.
So you would have to stay going to work.
The qualifier is if you weren't independently wealthy, right?
If you were working.
If you're in your current position right now, how much do you think you would have to shell out to maintain that child that is biologically yours and just got to your doorstep?
And I'll tell you.
Depends on the choices I want to make for this.
Well, research, there has been research on this, and they quantified it to a number to over $200,000 a year.
It does not cost $200,000 a year to raise kid.
Okay, well, see why in good care.
Really quick on this point, and then I'll pass it right back to Andrew.
Can you break down the $200,000 for us?
Yes, yeah, please.
So imagine right now, food services, right?
So breakfast, lunch, and dinner made for two people.
And if you have kids, you have to add that as well.
If you take kids to school, then that is a personal driver, right?
The entire time that you take them to school.
Or you can homeschool.
You know, that would make things easier.
Or you just drop them.
Shopping.
Shopping.
Grocery shopping, which takes time.
Grocery shopping, which takes time.
Planning out meals.
Planning out the kids' activities.
You're just describing what you're doing.
Which is a personal, which is a personal assistant.
Well, no, people get paid for those kinds of things.
And here's the thing, but I'm not math.
I'm not advocating.
That's why we want to do that.
Because women will do this thing like, and it's very.
The math is dogable.
Google about it.
No, no, but what you'll do is, hold on.
What you'll do is you'll take, okay, how much does a professional cleaner make in a year?
And maybe that's 30,000, 40, 50,000.
And you're going to tack that on.
But professional cleaners are cleaning 40 hours a week.
So you are considering like, so, okay, for example, if you were to hire a professional cleaner once per week, how much would that cost?
Yes.
That might be more attuned to going off of those materials.
But some people are going to collapse the entire yearly earnings of all these industries.
That's not what they did in those studies, though.
That's what I'm saying.
That's why I was asking for a breakdown.
Correct.
That's not what I'm saying.
So are you also doing the factoring in as to, you know, men are doing, they're basically unpaid yard work and they're unpaid executive protection.
What I'm saying.
Does your boyfriend have a firearm?
He does, yes.
Oh, do you have a firearm?
Yes.
Okay.
So, but he would you expect your boyfriend to like protect you in some sort of life-threatening situation?
Uh, he can, but we would both be, you know, good with an equalizer, the great equalizer.
Let's say you were both arended.
This handgun is your boyfriend.
Really quickly, let's say you were both disarmed.
He obviously, I'm assuming your boyfriend is physically stronger than you, he would fare better trying to take on a physical threat.
Yes, right.
So, you have executive, you have unpaid executive protection, yes, right?
Are you factoring that into the calculus of and so it has to and so base?
And so, basically, men are on the same spectrum and that they have to see if they financially benefit from coming into a partnership with a woman because a man doesn't need a woman to cook or clean for them, right?
You can pay for all those services yourself.
The same way that men can pay women, pay a service to cook or clean for them, women can pay somebody to do the yard work for them, or they can pay a ring camera for protection, or they can own a firearm.
What I'm trying to say is that I want men and women to come into a relationship together by understanding the value that they both bring to the table.
Yeah, and I understand the value of men, I think that they work very hard.
I think that society could not function with them being in key roles.
I think they are biologically a lot stronger.
That is a fact, right?
And so, I'm very thankful for their existence, and we need them.
However, women are equally as critical for the different services that they provide and the things that they are good at.
And I feel like historically, unfortunately, that has been ignored, and that's why we're seeing this loneliness epidemic between men and women.
Yeah, the loneliness epidemic exists on both sides.
That's the first thing.
The second thing is to do the whole like protection thing, too, for her because her partner doesn't have to protect her, that's not his job.
But, might he want to protect her so that your role as a man?
Continue to look at her pretty face and have her in his life.
Would you want a man that does not automatically protect you?
Might her partner have to expect you?
No, I'm saying, would you want a man who does not automatically protect you?
No, of course not.
But they should appreciate me to that degree that they want to.
Might her partner have an expectation then that you know she mothers the kids?
Might he have that expectation?
Yeah, but doing all the deep cleaning of the house and the cleaning of the mother.
And here's the thing.
Hang on, hang on.
Let me respond to that.
Let me respond to some of your points here.
The first, there's a bunch of holes in what you said.
The first hole is: do you want to outsource your child to other people?
Well, then, I don't understand.
Where does the financial independence thing come in?
So, I actually support women that want to be stay-at-home moms.
I'm not asking who you support.
I know, but let me answer the question.
Hang on, let me write.
I want to make sure that you understand the question I asked you.
So, I'm going to ask you to repeat the question I asked you.
The question I'm asking you is: do you want mothers, mothers who are at home, to outsource their children?
And if you do or don't, how are they able to be financially independent?
Can you repeat that for me?
Yes.
Okay.
Do you believe that women should financially outsource taking care of their kids?
And I think that that depends on the second part.
And I think that's the second part of the question.
So, there's women that want to be full-time mothers and stay at home with their kids, and there's women that want to have a career and also have kids, and there's nothing wrong with that.
And the fact that we're chastising those kinds of women is why, again, we are in this.
How does a woman maintain financial independence?
Meaning, how does she work if she stays at home with her kids?
She can have a part-time job or something.
Are we paying for that?
I love amazing women.
A lot of people have jobs here.
I have to design these people.
You guys are saying that most people, women don't want to work.
Men wouldn't want to work if they could choose.
But personally, it would be my dream to be able to have a family and have the freedom to have my side hustle and have my business.
I don't need to work like a dog.
I want to have it all.
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Do you see the massive hold with that?
I don't want to work.
I can't have a hard time.
Hang on.
I'd ever want to have it all.
I really can.
If you were working, you could have it.
Hang on, hang on.
One at a time.
One at a time.
Calm down.
Calm down.
One at a time.
I think the answer to that is remote work.
There's only been like two out of time this whole time.
That is remote work.
That is also work that requires being a small amount of time in the office and you can homeschool.
You can do that.
So homeschooling.
So homeschooling is a great option.
I plan to homeschool my kids in the future.
That means that you only take two to three hours a day.
Actually, it's not eight hours like public school, i.e., government indoctrination centers.
You take two to three hours taking care of your kids, educating your kids, instilling the moral values that you want in them.
Do you see the new point you just made in your ideology, though?
And then you have the rest of the day to also do your job, whatever it is that you go while you do your job.
Whatever you're passionate about, and you can bring your kids along.
So the way that women have financial independence while they don't outsource the child care is by having part-time remote work.
Now, question: Does she get to keep all that money, or does that go to the contribution of the household?
I think it should.
Yes, I think it depends.
If that's the case, how is she being financially independent again?
Maybe she can.
Let her answer.
Because she can still have personal accounts that she only has access to, and you also have joint accounts.
So she's keeping the money away from the contribution of the household in a personal account that nobody else has access to.
I think that every single adult, male and female, should have a prenup.
And that should be part of that as well for their own personal protection.
But I think overall, the reason for the prenup.
So you're advising women to hide money from the household.
How can you hide something that's not a hard time?
That is not what works for educators.
Hold on, girls.
How about all of this hiding?
Hold on, girls.
How is it hard?
There is not a traditional.
Everyone knows the numbers.
This is like, even if this was a traditional structure, it still would not be the traditional structure.
It wouldn't be for everyone.
But how is it hiding if it's something that was previously agreed upon before coming into America?
Here's what's funny: when you're talking about advising, you're like, listen, women, what I want you to do is have your own independent money.
And the way that you can do this and not outsource the child care so you don't have to work is hopefully you can be one of the few so you don't have to work hang on saying that well yes you are you have to work in order to get money yes yes so then so you don't have to work yeah so so that you can so let me give let me give the position right so you can let me give the position okay and i'll make sure i'm not i'm steel manning It.
Women should have own money.
Do we agree with that?
Yeah.
They get money by working.
Do we agree with that?
Yes.
Women have children, and you don't want them to outsource the care of the children to other people.
It depends on the occasion.
But if they want to not outsource.
Well, you would agree with me.
It's better for the outcomes of children if they don't.
If I want to go on a date night with my husband, yes, I don't.
That's not outsourcing care.
That is exactly what I'm referring to.
No, Hiring a babysitter for six hours is far different than sending your kids.
We have a difference.
No, we don't have a difference.
That's so absurd.
You're arguing in bad faith.
We're going to argue.
Hang on a second.
Oh, hey, can you come babysit tonight?
Oh, you just outsource the care of your children.
No, that's not what we're talking about.
We're talking about long-term outsourcing of the raising of your children to other people.
We're talking about one step.
Exactly.
So then if I'm not aware of that, you got to stop interrupting, or I can't, we'll never get through the argument.
I promise we'll be able to engage.
But walking through the argument, woman stays home.
Well, who's having the argument?
So woman stays home.
And you want her to have her own money.
You don't want her to outsource the care of the children.
That means that she has to get some kind of remote job while she's at home.
But instead of contributing all of that to the joint household expenses, you still are recommending that she hold some of it in reserve, right?
In her own account that her husband can't access.
Yeah, and the man as well.
Yes.
He doesn't need to have a lot of money.
How does that not create a massive division in the marriage?
Why not just share everything in the marriage?
You're married.
Because there's a.
Because women are selfish.
There's a fund for that.
If you have a daughter.
How much money do you think people make?
Okay, if you have a daughter, if you have a daughter, I do have daughters.
I do have a daughter, and when they grow up, would you tell them, honey, I want you to get married with no prenup whatsoever, completely be financially dependent on a man?
Is that what you want to do?
Well, first of all, the prenup would be better for the man, for her having.
I'm talking about your daughter.
That's what I'm saying.
Wait, let a man say that.
That's what I'm saying.
The prenup would actually be better for the man.
So her, I would tell her not to get the prenup because if they got a divorce, she's going to actually have an advantage in court.
That's the first thing.
It's not necessarily true.
It is necessarily true.
It is true.
It is funny.
But here's the thing.
It factually is true.
So here's the other part of this that's funny.
And this moves into the ideology, right?
Why would I want my daughter to marry a man who she didn't trust enough to manage the household finances or even if they jointly manage the household finances for them to have complete access to each other's accounts, social media?
They're one flesh.
Do you ever have to do that?
Do you get to make a choice on how to marry, though?
No.
Okay, so then you trust your children.
You asked me what I would advise.
What do you mean by one flesh?
One flesh?
Yes, one flesh.
So I would advise your daughter to hang on.
So we're talking about worldviews here.
So I have a different paradigm than you have.
You guys have like a modern liberal paradigm.
No, I don't.
Yes, you do.
I don't.
Yeah, you do.
But I have a paradigm, an Orthodox religious paradigm, Orthodox Christian religious paradigm.
So I have a different paradigm than you do.
Really?
Yes, really.
Christian.
Yes, Christian.
I think we're forgetting the fact that when you are in a long-term marriage, there is a possibility that one of the partners could go through mental illness.
Sure.
Or you end up with a narcissist that doesn't reveal themselves until they've got you locked down.
So I think at least for what happens why I would have a lot of people.
Narcissism's rare.
No, not as much as you think.
Narcissism is true, nauticalism, especially the covert mind narcissism, maybe.
Hang on, let's find out.
Let's find out.
We'll do an experiment right now.
Okay?
Real quick.
Raise your hand.
Hang on.
Real quick.
Raise your hand if you've dated a narcissist.
Go ahead.
Okay.
Now, keep your hands raised if you've dated narcissists.
In true definition, though, probably not, but, like, modern definition.
Now, keep your hand raised if they were a diagnosed narcissist or if you would have to do that.
They don't go to therapy and doctors and they're not.
Stop, stop, stop.
I think we're dealing with that.
Were they a diagnosed narcissist?
They don't care about their mental health.
It was yours a diagnosed narcissist.
So one person at the table actually dated a diagnosed narcissist.
Yeah, but was he diagnosed?
We're deviating from the subject where I'm just pointing out that it's hypocritical to say that you don't believe women and men should have prenups when you know that you wouldn't advise your daughter to get into a marriage without a prenup with a man.
Period.
You wouldn't.
No, I literally told you the prenup would be in favor for the man, not for her.
That is not true.
So it is true.
It's definitely true.
Maybe because she doesn't have money to begin with.
So saying that you don't want a prenup is the equivalent of saying that you don't believe that you'll amount to anything in life that will be worth something that somebody else wants to.
Yeah, that's not saying that at all.
Yes, it is.
No, what it's saying is that you have faith.
You have faith.
Okay, so what if I make more than my husband in the future?
And I hope you do, and I hope that he makes more than me.
It doesn't matter.
So you're preparing for failure.
No.
I'm preparing for being successful.
And that's not the case.
You're preparing for failure.
No.
But then why do you need the prenup?
Because I believe in statistics and 90%.
Statistics, right?
90% of marriages end up in the middle.
And who are they mostly initiated by?
Just because.
Oh my gosh.
Well, my ex-employer, Charlie Kirk, answered this question not too long ago when he was on the podcast, or it was on one of his prove me wrongs.
And just because women first initiate divorces doesn't mean that men aren't the first ones to start the process or give them a reason to.
So that is a completely illogical.
Then how come they don't put as the reason things like irreconcilable differences?
They're not putting things like domestic violence, cheating, things like this.
They're just putting irreconcilable differences.
Your former employer, by the way, Charlie Kirk, would have completely and totally agreed with me on what marriage was.
On this subject.
Yes, on this subject.
Verbatim, this can be looked upon.
Okay.
So if Charlie Kirk is recommending to his daughters to get a prenuptial agreement, I don't know.
Did he have one with Erica?
Because he's not here, and I don't know that either.
Yeah, of course not.
He didn't.
I guarantee you he didn't.
I hope that you are not saying things that aren't true.
I'm pretty confident that Charlie Kirk did not have a prenup with Erica.
You really can't speak for him, though.
Correct.
I mean, I could call Jack Prosovic and ask him right now.
I bet you he's going to tell me.
I bet he would.
That's a dishonor.
That was like his best friend.
That's a very wait.
Can I ask the honest tape?
Do you think, look in the camera and say that you think that Charlie Kirk had a prenup with Erica Kirk?
I don't know.
Yeah, exactly.
Ridiculous.
No, this is the honest tape.
So not only that, though.
The problem is.
Can you admit that you don't know?
You can't know it for a fact.
But I would say I doubt it.
I doubt it.
Okay, so you don't know for a fact.
Yeah, but I doubt it.
But you don't know for a fact.
I mean, I don't know for a fact that you're who you say you are.
That's the point I'm trying to make.
So there's like a statistical average here.
There's going to be some doubt.
Thank you.
But I doubt it.
Can I get yourself a double ticket?
Not only that, let's point this out, though.
You still have massive holes.
You still have massive holes in your logic.
And the huge hole in your logic is if you're advising women to not outsource their care, try to get some kind of remote job.
What I don't understand is why you're trying to pit the husband and wife against each other, though.
Why is it that she doesn't have as much responsibility to the contribution of the household as he does?
If he wants to have access to her money, why shouldn't he be allowed to do that?
Let's talk facts and statistics.
Statistically speaking, couples that have prenups last longer and don't get divorces.
Why do you think that is?
Well, I think, I don't even think that's true, actually.
It is, and you can anybody.
But I would say it's likely true due to wealth.
It is true.
Okay, I would say probably likely true if it is.
It is true.
Calm down, ladies, so I can answer.
I think it would be likely due to wealth because wealthy people divorce less and wealthy people are the more likely to get prenups.
Therefore, I would say it's probably the most likely wealthy people get prenups.
Wealthy people are the least, what you're doing is causation correlation.
No.
Because it correlates that people with prenups get divorced less.
And it also correlates that people who are wealthy get divorced less.
Why should we use your correlate that it's the prenup which prevents them from getting divorced?
I just consented a fact, which is that those.
And what does that correlate to, though?
It correlates to, and divorce lawyers speak on this, it's the fact that those couples are the ones that have the difficult conversations on money, on lifestyle, and all of those things and put it down before they get married.
Because they have it.
Because that's what responsible people get.
Yeah, because they're wealthy.
Because that's what emotionally intelligent people do.
Most people do not have the wealth to even worry about a prenup.
Do you think that non-wealthy people don't get prenups?
I am not a person.
Not often, no.
Not often.
Often?
There you go.
Often, well, she's a non-wealthy person.
That's nice person.
Okay, yeah.
Okay, so she's not a good person.
Are women on average shorter than men?
Oh, I'm not shorter than most men.
What do you consider wealthy?
Probably 500,000 plus.
Okay, and that is what percentage of the population is.
Very small percentage.
Very small percentage.
But we still have a lot more than what?
5% of prenups, like 5% of people that get married.
It usually correlates with the wealthy.
Yes, but no, we have a lot more prenups than we have.
Yeah, but quality of the people.
According to you.
Yeah, what you would need to show us, though, isn't that there's no poor people get prenups because that was never the statement.
What you'd need to show us was whether or not it's the case that the correlate here isn't that wealthy people get divorced less because they're wealthy, or it's the case that it's because they have a prenup they're getting divorced less.
I would say it's due to the wealth.
Well, I asked you.
Because that correlates with higher forms of education.
The correlation was.
I just told you.
Okay.
It's going to be wealth and education.
Those are the things that correlate with less divorce.
Right.
But regardless, when you have a prenup.
Just wait.
But regardless, when you have a prenup, then absolutely.
Hold on, because I was like getting a little distracted here.
Regardless, if you do have a prenup, then there is a high probability that you stay married.
So wouldn't you say it's a good thing?
Would you say it's a good thing for marriage?
We have to demonstrate it's because of the prenup and not because of the other correlates, which would be wealth and education, which are the higher contributing factors for lessening divorce.
Show me how the correlate of a prenup, like do poor people with prenups get divorced less?
Can you show that?
I think that the statistics that you need to know, you're looking at an average of all prenups and saying, okay, on average, this has some correlate to a smaller percentage isn't the reason because you just said wealthy to you is $500,000 or more.
And I'm telling you that that is what maybe the top 5% of the population, but a lot more than the top 5% of the population get prenups.
Yes or no?
Yes or no?
Yes, of course, but it's not.
That doesn't make your point.
Yes, it does.
Okay, do you agree with me that on average, men are taller than women?
Yes.
Okay, but do you also agree that some women are taller than the average man?
What the heck does that mean?
Answer my question.
Do you agree that you asked Andrew a question?
He answered it.
He asked you a question.
Please answer.
Do you agree with me that there are some women, though, who are taller than average men?
Yes.
Does that eliminate the fact that on average, men are taller?
Of course not, right?
No.
Okay, so when we're talking about a correlate here, we're going to use the same standard.
Do you agree with me that people who have high educations or higher education get divorced less?
Sure, yes.
Okay, do you also agree that there's a correlate between people who have higher education and wealth?
Yes.
Okay, so now we are agreeing that wealthy people and highly educated people get divorced less.
Those are also the people most likely to get prenups.
Just because other people also get prenups who aren't them doesn't mean that the contributing factor here to the lesser divorce has anything to do with the prenup.
Do you understand that now?
I understand what you're saying.
I understand what you're saying.
And I agree with what you're saying.
However, the point I'm trying to make is that I think it is good for not just rich people to be the ones getting prenups.
That's a different argument, though.
No, that is my original argument, right?
That's the point I've been trying to make.
But you're saying the reason is because that's going to contribute to lesser divorce in people who aren't wealthy.
What I'm asking you is to demonstrate that part.
Not if people who are wealthy and have high education get lesser divorce, also have more prenups, but whether or not people who have prenups who aren't in those categories are actually getting divorced less because of the prenup.
That's what I want the demonstration of.
Gotcha.
I understand what you're saying.
So if, again, only top 5% of the population qualifies as wealthy, according to you, and they do get a prenup, and as a result, they consider quality.
And they don't get divorced.
Cool.
That's great.
Fantastic.
Good for them.
Now, for the rest of the population, that doesn't qualify as wealthy according to you, the 500 threshold.
It could be more than that.
And they stay married as well.
Why do you think that is?
Because it's clearly not wealth that's keeping them together.
It must be the fact that they are responsible individuals that get together.
Let me finish my thought.
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Responsible individuals that get together and talk about the reasons why they want to be in a marriage in the first place.
That's not even an argument.
And they share responsibility.
Yes, because of the.
That's not even an argument.
That doesn't even logically follow.
You're just saying, I agree with you, Andrew, that people who have prenups who are also in these high categories for lesser divorce, I agree that those are the contributing factors for the lesser divorce.
But I also just assume that other people who get prenups who aren't in those wealthy or highly educated categories also get divorced less based on I made it up.
No, based on facts.
What's the fact?
People that get prenups don't get divorced.
Okay, but is it because of the prenup?
No, I don't think it's divorced.
Exactly.
So then who cares?
How does that make your argument?
Why is it a bad thing for people to get it?
Why are you so against it?
First of all, I'm not against prenups.
That's not the point.
But I'm not going to let you get away with the argument that prenup, just having a prenup is going to lead to lesser divorce.
That's not the strong correlate here.
The strong correlate is going to be higher education, wealth.
Those are the things which usually inspire people to get prenuptial agreements to begin with.
And those are already in the categories of people who get divorced less.
So that's the case.
When you say an auto mechanic gets a prenup with a waitress, right?
What part of the prenup is the mass consideration for divorce here?
They don't fucking have nothing.
Okay, so that's something you can't possibly conceptualize, and that's why it is a problem.
The fact that you're thinking that those two people, that the waitress and the mechanic, can't make money in the future after.
I'm not saying they can't.
That is what I'm saying.
Okay, so one of the points that you're saying is that one of the points she made earlier is that if a mechanic and a waitress have a prenup, and then like three years later, they get a divorce.
Okay, right.
But that was, I don't know, on average, like a year longer than most people.
How would the prenup have done anything with that exactly?
Well, first of all, it's very unlikely that they get divorced in the first place.
Cool, hypothetically, I'm just saying.
No, objectively, objectively.
But hypothetically, I'm saying.
But hypothetically, right, the good thing is, if they do get a prenup and they do get divorced, is that they set the standards for their divorce instead of some random person in the U.S. government.
Okay.
Isn't that a good enough reason to?
Yes or no?
Good enough?
No, no, no, no.
That's not a good enough reason for a prenup.
Well, then why get married?
Why have 14 people here?
Why get married?
Why get married?
Right, guys?
Why get married?
Answer my question.
Forget love.
You can't have love without marriage.
You can't have love without marriage.
Can't have children without marriage.
Can't have those things without marriage.
Why get married at all?
If the whole idea here from you from the FemCon, the FemCon idea, don't marry yourself to the state.
Get a prenup instead.
It's like, okay, well, then why get married at all?
Can you explain that to me?
Because right now marriage is a legal institution as well.
It didn't used to be.
So that's the same thing you're advising a prenup.
Since it is, you're denying reality, which is that marriage is a legal concept.
Why do they even need to get married at all then?
You're legally married after against marriage, is that the case?
How is that me arguing instead of asking you a question?
What's the difference between a question and an argument?
You just said, why get married?
Are questions arguments?
Questions are not.
You all are stating opinions.
So then I asked you a question.
That's the opposite of an argument.
The question is, why get married at all then?
Why get married at all?
Because you want somebody to witness your life, because you want a life partner, because of love, because that is what creates healthy, intelligent children that can see parents that are in a healthy relationship, that love each other.
There's so many benefits to marriage, and I want people to get married.
So help me out here.
But you're not helping the cause.
That's just why I'm taking it.
Hang on.
Well, I'm glad you're here.
This is so strange.
Tell me any of those things that you just listed that you can't have absent marriage.
Absent of marriage.
Because you don't have commitment.
You don't have...
Why not?
Because you don't, nothing says, I choose you, and I'm committed to the person.
Like a pre-nup.
It's a marriage.
Nothing says I choose you like a pre-nup.
Nothing says I chuck.
I'd like to.
Pikachu, I choose you.
It's the reality of marriage before I'm going to be able to do it.
Stop, stop.
Stop.
I'm about to allow you to speak, but I was trying to actually open it up to the whole panel here for a moment.
Sorry, is that easy?
Yeah, but you guys, let me get it in here.
We have a chat coming through, then I'll have you guys weigh in.
Flavia Sassanus is doing TV on the PSA Feminist dresses like a 304.
Typical.
Great.
Do you want to respond to that really quick?
If this is dressed like, you know, that, then, you know, that is your qualification.
Maybe I'll just move the mic back.
Yeah.
Okay, so here's what I want to do.
Here's what I want to do.
We do have a lot of people.
This is why you're watching the show and are single.
We're like 10 minutes away from family-friendly 304.
Go ahead.
We do have other people on the panel.
I need to be considerate.
So here's what I'll do.
You guys can finish that conversation, but those of you who've been listening and want to weigh in on something, now's your opportunity if you'd like to weigh in.
Okay.
I have like two things I want to say, and it just doesn't have anything to do with the prenup.
My thing is that women's jobs are easier now than they have ever been in the household as a mother, as a caretaker.
We have washing machines.
We don't have to go to the quarry and rub our clothes on rocks anymore.
So that's why women got bored and wanted to move into the workforce.
So that's a technological issue.
And then second of all, just like men have spreadsheets that they work on and stud.
Yeah, sure.
Or a podcast.
Life's easier for everyone.
Exactly.
Isn't it great?
Technology and fabulous.
Here, put the mic down.
Andrew's going to take a smoke.
So if you want to take this seat and finish your thoughts.
And then my second thing is I only understand Andrew's point in the fact that if you're going to marry someone, you should trust them.
And prenup, yeah, again, probably more for if you have money, you know?
And if you're going to come into money, good for you.
Then get a, you can, I think you can still get a prenup eventually, even after you get married.
You can.
Okay, cool.
So that's good.
And then, yeah, I just, that's like all I'm going to say.
That's all I want to say.
You guys seemed like you wanted to weigh in here a bit.
Even, I'm sorry, even if you're not legally married with a certificate, by law you are legally married after a certain amount of time.
Seven years, yeah.
Yeah, I think it was in the state.
I don't know, I think it varies.
Wait, are you responding to her, or is this your original?
This is just something that I wanted to weigh in on.
Okay, so you're talking about civil society.
No, um, by law, yeah, I don't know the exact terminology, but I know by law it varies per state that you are legally married to someone after spending a certain amount of time with them, especially living in a household with them.
That that's not in every state, that's uh I think it's common law marriage, I believe, is the term.
In some states, yes, that's that's the case.
If you've been holding yourself out to be as if you were married, you're living together, you're cohabitating, then the state could deem you weren't legally officially married, but you were acting in such a way that was commensurate to as if you were married.
So, they're going to consider you, they're going to consider you legally married.
Common law marriage.
Also, did you have more on that, though?
No, but thank you.
Okay, good.
I wanted to respond to you and saying, like, oh, trust them.
And you said, oh, trust them.
So, like, how many people that share blood with us that we're supposed to trust, maybe our mother or father, or even someone that we trusted, a partner that we trusted for many years, we feel so secure in that scenario.
How many times does that trust fleet away because of some sort of outside factor?
So fucking much.
So, even though you're smart and you had the best intuition and you had all, you tried to do everything by your book, it still happens.
So, trust, you know, shit changes.
Shit changes in time.
People change.
People's motives change.
People's desires change.
So, trust is fucking so far.
I just don't think you should, as a man.
Trust yourself, number one.
Absent Christianity, there's actually no reason for men to get married.
Or perhaps I can reframe it: there's no reason for the breadwinner to get married.
There's breadwinners, total L to get married.
Yeah, and here's my question that I kept trying to ask Andrew.
He's like, oh, what if he got a waitress and a mechanic?
Okay, well, great jobs there.
But you don't know what those people's lives are, what those people's assets are, what money they're going to be getting from family or godfather, mother in the future.
So he's talking about his own daughter.
So, okay, let's say your daughter has a few million coming to her in the future.
And this man is, you trust him.
He's just a fucking man, though.
So, would it change if his daughter had, let's say, 10 million coming to her?
Well, I think two, what's the same?
He's speaking, he's saying, oh, like, because she does, it's to protect the man.
He's doing it to protect the man.
What about your daughter that might have a lot of money in her name?
That he might want to leave her one.
Exactly.
In a prenup, when you know the paperwork's in action and you're about to get a trust sent to you, you're going to go to a lawyer and get that all taken care of.
So, yeah, but you don't need to do it at the beginning of the marriage.
You can't get it.
You can do it when the money comes in.
Whatever.
Yeah, I agree.
Prenup.
But it's when it comes, you don't please.
You don't need a prenup.
And we're all, the whole argument here is that we're pro-prenup.
And he's saying, well, I don't necessarily think that that's his position.
You haven't stated your position exactly on whether you're pro or the man.
Pro for the man, at least.
Here's why I consider this a femcon position.
Everything here that she's talking about is materialist-based.
She's talking from specifically a materialist lens.
Logic-based lens, but okay.
Materialist-based lens.
Let me finish.
I'll explain and express how that's the case.
So, from my view, right, marriage is a religious institution and it's designed specifically to be a religious institution.
If you want to see the lowest divorce rates, look at the people who are the most religious.
Those that's when you'll find the least divorce is there.
Is that statistically true?
Not only statistically true, very statistically true.
The more often, the more rigorous they practice, the least likely they are to divorce.
Okay.
From your view, the materialist view.
Logical view.
Yeah, well, it's not.
Hang on.
If it's the logic, if it's the logical view, then I need this one question answered.
If we're only protecting our stuff, our things, stuff we want, and protecting from the future.
You got to stop.
Yeah.
Hold on.
It's not stuff.
It's not material.
Hold on.
You got to, you've been interrupting a fuck ton.
Your contributions with your little quips and your little add-ins are not really adding substance to the conversation, and it's interrupting what it's not.
But just even if you disagree, let him finish.
Just let him finish.
You don't need to add in.
Go ahead.
Continue.
Yeah, and then I'll gauge.
I'll gauge with your view, I promise.
If that's the case and it's just material, and you say it's logical, it's logical for you to want to keep material separation in case bad things happen.
What the fuck is the point of getting married at all?
If you're going to sign a contract with the state, if you're preventing the state from coming in and dividing assets by having other contracts, why not just use the secular method and just have all of those things absent the state contract?
I actually, that would be the most logical thing.
So unless you can explain to me what it is you're going to get out of a marriage that two people can't just agree to, right?
Absent the religious qualia, then I want to hear it.
What?
Yeah.
So you're arguing then that there's that you're arguing against reality.
So you're denying reality.
And the reality that we live in is that marriage is not just a religious institution now.
It is also a financial agreement and a long-term life contract.
Then why do it?
Right?
Why do you think it's a major asking me why I would do it?
I'm asking you, what would be the point if it's the case that you see marriage as being a long-form financial partnership with another person?
Yes.
Right.
That you want to protect yourself from the state dividing your assets with that person, potentially leaving you with nothing.
No.
Why get married at all?
You can still do, you can live in the same house with them.
You can raise the kids the same exact way.
You need a prenup.
It'd be why can't, why, why do you need to have a prenup if you just don't get married?
You could write down, you know, a cheating clause, which I would have, right?
I want a prenup to make my marriage stronger in the view.
Why are you getting married, though?
So you cheat, I cheat.
That is going to be bad for the both of us.
Why are you getting married in the first place?
Because you want somebody to spend your life with.
You can do that without the marriage.
No, why not?
Why?
Because that is not.
Where's the contradiction?
Is it logically possible?
Is it logically?
Yeah, then what are you talking about?
What's the logical?
Why did you get married then?
Huh?
Well, I'm religious.
I just told you it's a religious institution.
But it's also a financial commitment, right?
Yeah, but if you're not looking at it.
So why didn't you just get married in the church?
Because I did.
I did.
I did get married in the church.
Are you legally?
Part of getting married in the church is that you get legally married.
Yes.
Yes, both.
So why did you get a marriage license?
For me, why did you get legally married?
Yeah, you have not just married in the church.
Chill, I'll explain.
Okay.
But I just wanted to let you know you still haven't answered my question.
But I'll explain, but I want to promise you answer mine afterwards.
A lot of churches cannot actually marry you legally without utilizing the state.
Why Marry in Church?00:10:54
Okay.
And also, I was not.
I was not when I got married, which was so many years ago, as rigorous as I am now.
I didn't even understand half of these things.
That's first.
The second thing is, if I was only looking from the materialist view, though, it's a financial, it's financial, it's financial, okay?
Sure, the realistic view.
Realistically explain to me what you're going to get out of the marriage that you're not going to get, not marriage.
What?
Okay.
If I am not married and I'm living with a person long term and we have shared financial assets, right?
And one of us decides to hurt the other, betray the other, or anything, and now we want to split, right, as a result of that.
Now we both have to go to court.
Now I have to hire a lawyer.
Now I have to create a mess out of my life just to leave that relationship.
If we have kids, it's extremely complicated as well.
Wait, I'm not sure.
Let me finish my answer.
If you do have a legal contract in place that talks about if those things were to happen, God hoping that it doesn't, right?
Then we have a plan of action.
This is what happens, right?
And I why is marriage necessary to any of that?
Can I give you a message?
Hang on, let me finish.
Why is marriage necessary for you to have a contract with somebody that they can't take your stuff?
Why can't you have a contract with a person on what you're going to do absent marriage?
So you want people to.
It's not what I want.
I'm asking you a question.
Why?
Because, again, marriage is a legal contract and it is an institution that basically is ingrained in our society.
And children are not.
That's not giving me the reason why you need to get married.
Married households do better.
Period.
Is that because of the marriage or is that because it's a mom and dad in the same household?
Do you think a mom and dad is legal?
Don't ask me a question.
Answer my question.
Do you think answer the question first?
You have to let me answer how I want.
You don't have to tell me.
Asking me a question is not answering it.
You don't get to tell me how I answer that question.
Okay, so we're just going to, I'm just going to answer all your questions with questions and I think it's fair for you to answer the question, please.
Yes.
And then answer it.
So you're trying to compare.
You're trying to say that kids that are raised in a household where the parents are legally married do the same or have the same advantage as kids that are raised in a household where the parents are together but not legally married.
Can you tell me what the difference would be?
The difference is statistically speaking, the ones that are married do better.
What would that have to do with a certificate with the state?
You tell me the correlation.
I'm asking you.
I'm just telling you the facts.
Yeah, but why, though?
Why couldn't you have the from a secular view?
Why couldn't you have the exact here's why?
I'll tell you why.
You tell me why.
So the reason that you generally see inside of married households the outcomes being better for the kids because it's tied to religion.
Almost every single time the outcomes are way better for the kids because it's tied to religion.
If you're talking about a purely secular household, like mother and father or boyfriend, girlfriend for 20 years, why do the kids from that union do a lot less better than the people who got it married?
Because if they're religious, they don't live like that.
They get married.
If they're not religious, they live like that, right?
And they don't institute the religion.
Are religious.
And that's the no, most marriages are not, which is why so many of them fail at high, high, high rates.
And so the thing is, is like this doesn't even answer my question.
I'm still trying to prevent marriage.
Yeah, but I still need to know why it would be need to get married at all under your worldview here.
If the worldview is.
Okay.
Can you stop?
No, no, I wasn't.
I just actually was thinking.
There's a point to make, but I didn't do that.
Yeah, if the worldview here is just that you want to have a contract with somebody and live with them and that's going to create better outcomes for the kid, you don't actually not tell me why it would be that you would need to get married through the state at all.
Well, we're both trying to, right, get more people married and to stay.
Yeah, but what would be the point?
Your argument is that they need to be religious, and my argument is they should sign a freaking paper and talk about the hard stuff together.
No, which is easier to sign up.
My argument here is that under your worldview, there would be no reason to actually get married through the state, and you have not provided me a single one.
I have provided so many.
Give me one that you can't have without the state involved.
Give me one.
One thing that you're getting from the state, you can't just do.
If you go to a hospital, right, and your partner in life gets sick or hurt, you have nothing to prove that you are their partner.
So they can't do that.
You can just do an advanced medical directive.
You asked for an advanced medical directive.
I just gave you one, right?
That's advanced medical directive.
You don't need marriage for that.
Here's what I have to do.
Just because we have a lot of people who are in the middle of the example, I gave it a question.
I want to make sure that we can get other people.
I want to make sure we can get other people pulled in.
Here's what I'll do: I'll give you each one minute to finalize your point on this, and then I do have to move.
Okay.
And then time permitting if we want to do that later.
I just want to make sure.
So I'll finalize it super quick, right?
This is a very common feminist trope.
It's a very commonist femcon trope.
The idea is actually it's going to elevate women.
That's the whole point.
They're trying to secure the fact that there's going to be failure.
They can take the man for everything.
That's what the whole point is.
And by the way, let me point this out very quickly.
She never made a single argument ever for what you would be getting in this relationship, married versus unmarried.
She just keeps saying that they should get married for reasons that she can't even explain.
She says, advanced medical directives, you can have that without marriage.
Like, you don't need marriage for any of these things.
So if you're not religious, what is even the point?
Whoa, what are you doing?
I just asked you to ask me.
Can you guess what?
Can I count it?
Yeah, yeah, sure.
But hang on.
Can I give a reason?
I've asked like three times.
We'll let her close up, though, real quick.
We'll let her close up.
Can you stop interrupting, please?
Okay.
Thought it was polite.
Sorry.
Huh?
Thought it was polite.
Sorry.
Just maybe a hand raise might be better.
Sure.
Go ahead.
Me on the left.
Are you done?
I'm done.
I'm done.
Okay.
So, again, I think that the benefit of marriage is somebody to witness your life with, to do life with, to make life easier with.
And love is the number one component that should bring in people together.
But I live in reality, right?
And reality means that I want to be protected.
I want my partner to be protected.
I want us to go into a marriage for the right reasons.
And I want to set a good example for my kids and make sure that they are taken care of.
God forbid something happens.
That's it.
Okay.
Super feminist.
Wait, actually, really quick, I have a chat coming in.
Hide the super.
Charles Sterling donated $200.
Thank you, Charles.
Please to see you again, Mr. Wilson.
Prenup is to only protect your wealth, not to protect community property.
Yeah.
Share two common laws after you've been living together for several years.
Thank you, Charles.
I think some states it could be lower than that, or they lowered it, but I'm not sure.
It can vary.
Yeah, it varies.
Okay, you wanted to go.
I was just simply going to say, because he keeps asking why I get married, why I get married.
So simply, just to up-level your commitment.
It's a spiritual thing as well.
I agree.
And in fact, I would say it's only a spiritual thing.
So the thing is, if you're going to up-level, if you're going to up-level your commitment, why do you want to prenup again?
Because if I'm going to be making that commitment, I want a prenup for protection.
And what that prenup resembles, it's a reflection on those difficult conversations that you can have in that relationship that you have with your partner and yourself.
Then why are you getting, why get married at all?
Because I love someone.
Yeah, but what's preventing you from loving them?
Because I want to up-level that commitment.
I want to solidify that commitment in a way that involves more than just me and them.
So you want the state to now get involved?
Sure.
It is involved.
Do you think so people do make that commitment?
They go to the state, they get the marriage license.
Do you think that this precludes people from splitting up?
Because what I see...
It doesn't have to do with splitting up.
It's...
It just seems to me like it's protection for you.
It's with the intention that you're not splitting up.
Actually, I think, so for example, I think it creates, say, in a, obviously people can have two incomes in a relationship.
And perhaps in a scenario, you guys both have perfectly equal equivalent income and resources and finances.
But typically you're going to see one person having more resources, more money, higher income than the other.
It seems like it actually creates an incentive for the person who makes less money.
It actually starts giving them a financial incentive to leave the relationship because there's a financial incentive when you get married.
But you're getting a prenup.
Yeah, right.
You're getting the prenup.
So do we agree, though, that prenups aren't going to cover kids, right?
Why?
Well, prenups.
Because the state will come in eat on a prenup for kids in order to divide up kids.
Well, I'm talking about that included as well.
My understanding, and Brian, pull this up, but a prenup does not facilitate custodial rights even at divorce.
I don't believe that that's the case.
Yeah, I'm not sure about that.
I think you can maybe arrange something.
You can have something arranged there, but my understanding with prenups, it can address that which, the assets prior to marriage, but I don't think prenups can address the community property.
Those are post-looks.
Or it can't address that which was accrued during the course of the marriage.
I don't know.
I think I could be a bit wrong.
I do want to move the topic on a little bit.
Time permitting, of course, we can return to it.
I think this all kind of kicked off when we were talking about raw meat over here.
I just have one cool question.
Okay, what's up?
As somebody that kind of has your position on this on prenups, the only argument that I've heard, the strongest one is like, okay, well, why do you get car insurance and then you still drive?
Why do you get health insurance and you still go outside?
My position is not don't get a prenup.
Right.
The position.
Yeah, the position is simply what in the fuck is the point of the marriage if the idea here is we need prenups to protect assets.
That's what our primary goal is.
What the fuck?
Well, do you even want to get married for?
Custody.
No, but I'm saying like, you'll still get custody.
No, I'm talking about second marriage when you have a second marriage with a new person and they are actively fighting to get custody for their children is a reason.
Connecting Chivalry and Collabs00:15:59
And it happens way more often than you think.
Because some states, some states, some chancery courts require if you're going to have custody with a new person in the home living with the child and you want to show stability and you want to prove to the court that you are a stable parent, you have to legally get married to benefit that because I agree with you and I agree with you because I was with you even as a religious person because what is the point?
However, when you're in put in positions with an outside parent with children, it gets convoluted and the court wants these, wants.
I'm sorry, I have to move this on off of the preen up stuff.
Off to another topic.
Ivy?
Ivy.
Yes.
Ivy.
You write a disagreement that you have with the show is that sex workers, or your disagreement is that about sex workers not deserving chivalry.
So you believe sex workers do deserve chivalry.
However, I've said on the show, I don't believe that sex workers or beyond just sex workers, even if a woman's not a sex worker, but if she's not a lady, so to speak, if she's not trad, she doesn't deserve chivalry.
What's your disagreement?
I think that every woman deserves chivalry if they're like, you know, connecting with someone, yeah.
Connecting.
Connecting like on a level of understanding where they are reciprocating each other's values.
Okay.
And not everyone's going to have the same moral values.
Not every man is the same.
So why do women in general deserve chivalry?
I think that, I think it's just basic respect.
And I think it's, yeah, it's traditional, but I think it- But hold on.
Can you respect a woman and not provide or do chivalry?
I guess it depends on the relationship dynamic, like what you prefer.
But I do think that we all deserve to respect each other.
Sorry, continue.
Continue.
I think we deserve to respect each other and to provide like basic human respect, like decency.
Like if I don't expect my boyfriend to open the door all the time, but if he wants to do it, it's nice.
What are some other, can you list some of the ways in which men are specifically chivalrous?
Do I have to repeat myself?
Can you list some of the ways that men are specifically chivalrous?
I guess chivalry is also like, I can't necessarily like list it as a structure, like a set structure, like a certain way to do it, because what some would deem chivalrous could also be insulting to others.
Well, you would agree with me, though, when we're talking about chivalry.
Chivalry is something that men do or provide in the direction of women.
It's not ever the reverse where women are acting in a chivalrous manner towards men.
You'd agree with that?
I'm sorry, could you repeat that?
Like the last one.
Repeat it?
Yes.
I just said it.
Okay.
You would agree that chivalry is something men do?
I don't necessarily think that women can't be chivalrous.
So yes, logically they could.
So for example, if chivalry is opening the car door and paying for the first date, yes, logically a woman could do that, but typically the expectation is not on women to do that, and they overwhelmingly don't do that.
You wanted to give examples of chivalry?
Yes.
The opening of the car door, paying for the first date, walking on the side of the road where the car is.
The sidewalk rule, yeah.
Yes.
Okay.
And walking.
Why should men do that?
Because they are the biologically stronger side.
So what do men get out of that?
They get the feel, they get to feel good that they are protecting their women.
They get to feel good.
Nice.
Okay, that's great.
How nice for them.
Can we clarify definitions as to what you think chivalry is versus respect is when talking about how you treat a person?
Respect versus chivalry.
Yeah, so chivalry would typically be something that's it is specifically gendered.
It's specifically man to woman.
Okay.
It's almost never woman to man.
You never hear either men saying, I'd like a woman who's chivalrous.
You never hear women say, I'm chivalrous.
So chivalry would be typically the more gendered expectations of men.
And those would typically be Observing the sidewalk rule where the man walks closer to the road, paying for first dates.
You could even extend that to being uniquely the provider in the relationship, uniquely paying for things in the relationship, protector, being the protector, opening the car door, these sorts of things.
I would consider that chivalry, whereas respect would be we would all agree that, for example, if we go on a date with somebody, we shouldn't like insult them, and that would be symmetrical.
That would go both, that would flow both ways.
We should be polite, we shouldn't be insulting.
That's something both men and women can do.
Respect can flow both ways.
Chivalry flows from men to women.
Okay.
And it just, again, question.
So the art, the question, what we're talking about here is whether sex workers should be treated with chivalry versus respect.
So, dude, what are we arguing here?
Like, should they, do you think that they should be treated with respect as in like just like a normal person?
Yeah, so I take it beyond just sex worker.
I take it to, because a woman could be not be a lady, so to speak, and not be a sex worker.
So a woman could just be very modest in her dress.
She could be highly promiscuous.
She could be dating multiple men at once.
She could be polyamorous, but not a sex worker.
She could be sleeping with multiple men at the same time.
I think if we're going to have an expectation that men are gentlemen, the woman should not show up on the date with another man's seed inside of her.
Like, I'm not going to pay, I don't think a man should pay for a woman on the date, be the gentleman when there's literally another man's seed oozing out of her.
That's not very becoming graphic, right?
Well, it's graphic, but it's true.
And it's what I'm trying to get at here is so.
So, sex workers, by virtue of them being involved in sex work, are not ladies.
But again, it extends beyond just sex work.
A woman could just not be deserving of chivalry.
So, my position is simply: if you're a sex worker, look, by the way, just to be clear, I acknowledge that sex workers are even non-traditional women, they can still receive the treatment.
Like, for example, men paying for first dates, doing all that gentlemanly kind of stuff.
They still receive it.
But if I'm looking at the chessboard, the landscape, the hellscape of dating, I have a bird's eye view of what's going on.
I can point to that and be like, that's not fair.
That's a raw deal for men.
Women aren't holding up their end of the deal.
Now, of course, men do, there's a term in video games called meta, most effective tactics available.
And reality is, whether the woman's the most traditional woman in the world or the biggest whore in the world, the most effective tactics available for men in terms of getting said woman, regardless of who she is, is to is actually chivalrous.
So, even feminist women, even sex workers, even non-ladies, it is still most effective to be trad as a man in terms of paying for dates, you know, opening the car door, doing all these chivalrous behaviors, paying, et cetera, et cetera.
What is a lady to you?
Yeah, so a lady would be sort of the.
I've been curious about this.
What is your ideal type?
Like, if you had to.
Well, let me answer her question before I get to you.
I thought it was the same question, basically.
Yeah, well, I mean, well, that doesn't have anything to do with type.
Not entirely.
But so, yeah, what is a lady?
The lady would be the commensurate to whatever, well, excuse me, not commensurate.
You have gentlemen and you have ladies.
So, gentlemen would be showing some degree of chivalry.
A lady would be a woman who, let's see, takes on, look, and I believe being traditional to degree is a spectrum.
I don't think it's either you're fully trad or you're not.
I think you can land on a bit of a spectrum.
But more trad, to be a lady, you're more trad than not trad, right?
So, so, for example, like a woman who's not a virgin, can she be a lady?
Yes.
But like the ultimate manifestation of a lady might be she has like traditional value set.
She's a virgin.
She's not promiscuous.
She's modest, et cetera, et cetera.
And what would not be a lady is a woman who's a stripper, is a woman who does romance scams on men, is a woman who posts nude content online, is a woman who fucks men on camera, is a woman who sells her pussy, is a woman who is a prostitute, is a woman who posts her butthole and other in whatever on the internet, a woman, a woman, that's getting into the realm of sex work.
So, yeah, you're not quite a lady.
An easy way maybe to down this would be.
To you, though, not every single man is going to view it like that, but that's your personal preference.
This is his opinion.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm just like making, I'm just stating that.
That's your personal preference on how you date.
Not every single man is going to view a lady.
Well, the universals are tied to virtues.
That's where we would get the idea.
So if we wanted to say what is a lady, we would say one who typifies feminine virtue.
And what is a gentleman would be one who typifies male virtue?
Yes.
What I deem a gentleman, though, could be completely different to what you deem a gentleman.
That's true.
But the thing is, in my eyes, I'm sorry.
In my eyes, like y'all could be considered not gentlemen just because I couldn't be a lady.
But it doesn't necessarily mean that's the truth.
But virtue is shared language.
Well, and virtue attracts virtue.
So the idea is like if somebody's not being very gentlemanly towards you, chances are pretty good you're not being very ladylike towards them, or they don't see you as being ladylike and therefore not worthy of gentlemanness.
Or the opposite, you don't see them as being very worthy of being ladylike, right?
Because of the virtue attraction.
So it's the same type of thing.
So if we're talking, for instance, in traditional American society, coming over from what was going on in Western Europe, chivalry was like an old medieval concept, right?
And the idea was like, oh, my lady, I'll give you this kerchief, you know, and win this duel for you so I can win your hand.
They're trying to exemplify male virtues.
That way they can, and this was all romance shit, and there's a whole story behind it, but it doesn't matter.
The idea here is like, you're not going to see women put their jacket on the ground so that a man can walk through the puddle without getting his feet wet, right?
That was because of long dresses.
Long dresses would flow on the ground.
They didn't want to get them wet or muddy.
So he would put his jacket down, then the woman could go over it.
So that's the idea of gentlemanly-like behavior versus ladylike behavior.
So two things.
Question.
So when it comes to a relationship, is there a person who first shows the chivalry or being ladylike?
Like if she automatically isn't.
This is a great question.
And the answer to this is actually simple.
So people's personality traits are often typified in their presentation, right?
So while it's correct, you could have like a pretty lady situation where you have a prostitute who's dressed in a flower dress and you don't know anything about her.
You could assume that, you know, she's a lady or she's worthy of gentlemanliness or this or that.
The other hand, if they show up wearing fishnet stockings and a low-cut dress, you may instantly make the assumption, ah, probably not very ladylike, not going to be very gentlemanly towards them, right?
So it seems like virtues tend to present themselves in behavior and in aesthetics.
And second thing, just sorry, I just got so distracted.
Sorry, go ahead.
I got something here really quick.
So you do OnlyFans, is that correct?
Yes.
Do you do traditional, like, do you do boy girl content?
I do, yes.
Okay, so is it plausible or possible that you could go on a date with a guy and earlier on in the day you were being fucked by another man?
I do it with my boyfriend.
I've only really done it with like you've only done boy girl content with your current boyfriend.
No, with like boyfriends, like partners that I've been really close.
I have done collaborations with like then I won't use you specifically.
Well, you've done collaborations with guys who did not become your boyfriend or were not your boyfriend.
Yeah, I've done like one or two.
Okay, so for those collaborations, the next day, did you go on a date with a guy?
They did take me on dates.
They treated me.
Wait, not the guy you sh shot with.
Yeah, no.
I'm talking like, okay, you shoot with a guy, and then the next day you go on a date with a completely separate civilian man.
No.
Okay, but you realize it could, like, that could possibly be true.
Like, that could happen.
It definitely is true, and I respect other content creators and like what they do with their bodies, but that's just not how I roll pretty much.
Like, it's not my right.
But so, and that's only one example I'm giving.
But for example, I mean, would you agree with me that do you think, let's say a sex worker goes on a date with a man, and then earlier in that day, let's say she's a porn star, she had a gang ping with like 10 dudes, and she goes on a date with like this civilian guy who's like a bus driver and not a sex worker.
Do you think that that bus driver guy should pay for the date?
I think he definitely should understand exactly what he's doing by dating a sex worker, like by like opening up to like that possibility, pretty much.
Well, he I look, if you're a man who's inclined to.
I do think she still deserves that.
Well, hold on.
If you're a man who's inclined to date a sex worker.
Hold on, hold on.
If you're a man who's inclined to date a sex worker and she's disclosed what the deal is, I mean, you can't really complain about the situation.
However, again, if we're doing a bird's eye view, looking down at the chessboard, do you genuinely?
Okay, so if there's an expectation on men to be trad, it would occur to me that there should be some expectation on women to also be trad in some way.
So it's like, if you just got stuffed by 10 dudes earlier in the day, yeah, you don't deserve a man to pay for your dinner.
If that's what he wants to do with his money, then that's what he is.
But I understand.
Oh, I understand.
Trust me.
I understand that these men, even though women are the least deserving of chivalry than at any other point in human history, I understand there's plenty of men.
You disagree with that?
I disagree with that.
I have a question.
Do you think women are more deserving of chivalry now than they were 100 years ago?
Just the same.
Or in the 1950s.
Okay, so let's talk about statistics.
Right now in this table, we have gathered less than 0.1% of the population.
You know, it's women that are sex workers.
And again, not to, you know, I'm not going after you ladies, but they're 0.1% of the population, yet men are the primary consumption of pornography and the work that they do.
In fact, the majority of men are the ones that consume what it is that they do.
I take issue with that too.
Right.
It's not even correct.
You can't say then that we are at a point in time that women deserve the least amount of chivalry.
Wait, Hold on.
But I don't see how that point, you pointing.
That's a great red herring.
I don't see how that would relate, though, to my point.
Virtue and Chastity00:14:50
Well, because women that have done sex work have always existed throughout history and they have always been a small percentage of the population, just like we are doing so right now, Brian.
Well, there's a couple other things here.
So if you recall, my argument wasn't exclusively related to sex workers.
It was also with like population-wide promiscuity.
Do you think women are more promiscuous now in 2026 than they were in the 1940s?
I don't know.
How much?
We don't have, because we don't have a lot of people who are not.
Studies on that.
Wait, we don't have studies or statistics.
Hang on.
You like logic, right?
Okay, so if it's the case that people were having lots and lots as much unprotected sex then as they are now, right?
And it's the case that abortion is universally outlawed, which it was, then how come we saw the rate of single motherhood so much less than we do now?
Wait, and hang on.
If they weren't as promiscuous.
Well, because unfortunately, and this is another reason why I'm here, the government has incentivized by many ways to divide the nuclear family.
And so that's the problem.
Yeah, but that's not the question.
The question is asking about promiscuity.
If it's the case that women were just as promiscuous then as now but did not have birth control, we still saw way less single motherhood.
Wouldn't that stand to reason logically that they were way less promiscuous than the now?
No, I think that's way up.
We actually do have statistics on this.
Yes, let's pull them up.
Hold on.
So we've tracked, for example, like they'll ask questions like, what is the number of premarital sexual partners you've had, for example?
Do you think that number has declined or increased since the 1950s?
Probably, probably increased.
I don't know.
So women are more promiscuous today than they were 60, 70 years ago.
Are men equally promised?
How would that matter?
Great red herring.
How would it matter?
Because you say that now.
Yes, we are.
Correct.
So now you're going to be able to do that.
How would it matter?
My point still stands for that.
At this point in history, all women should be treated.
I didn't say, holy shit.
Strawman, you are the queen of straw man.
No.
When did I say all women?
Yes, you said.
I didn't say all women should be precluded from traditional treatment.
That's not what I said.
Tell me what I said.
That's why I said that.
I said that at no point in history.
Let me repeat it to you.
No, no, then tell me what I said.
Yes.
Because I think you have selective hearing.
Like, you don't want to actually be good families.
You want to strawman my position.
I did not say that.
But go ahead.
I've said to you exactly what you said.
And what I heard was that we are in a point in history where you believe that women deserve the least amount of chivalry.
Yes or no?
Right?
That's what you said.
And we could play this back.
It's live.
I don't know if that's precisely what I said, but that is the essence of it, yes.
Okay.
And I don't agree with that because I think that most women are virtuous.
I don't think most.
What do you mean by most?
I think most women aren't represented in this particular demographic and that they have more traditional values and that they decide to have less sexual partners.
I think that there's a small percentage of women that do have a lot more sexual partners.
And so if we average it out, then yes, on average now, women have more sexual partners.
But I don't think that we have.
The average woman has more sexual partners than the average woman did 50, 60, 70, 80 years ago.
Yeah.
Yes.
Can you consider it?
And it's even worse for men.
Sure.
I'm going to.
Actually, it is worse for men.
In fact, most men that are even married watch pornography.
And so it really just.
I think that's wrong.
I don't see how that's going to be.
Most women read harlequin romance novels.
They're ritual consumers of porn, too.
They don't read those novels.
That is.
Oh, yes.
It's the most widely consumed female porn.
It's insane.
They can do porn too, though.
Oh, it's me.
It's because anecdotes.
Anecdotes.
I believe in God, but I'm not.
I am not trying to denote it.
So you think Andrew Wilson, who goes to an Orthodox church, you think he surrounds himself with women with women of lower virtue than the women you surround yourself with?
Do you think going to church makes you more surrounded by virtuous women?
Generally, yes.
Generally, yes.
And if you go towards a church that has more traditional values, well, hang on.
Let's start with this.
Let's untangle a couple of concepts.
What do you consider female virtues?
I think that women that are intelligent self-sufficient, that they are loyal, that they are compassionate, that they are generous, that they are caretaking, right, or nurturing, that they are intelligent, that they.
A lot of those are traits.
Yes.
What would you consider a virtue, though?
High achieving.
High achieving is a virtue.
So loyal, another one.
Okay, I can grant perhaps loyalty as not being. a trait like intelligence.
Maybe that's a good idea, right?
What about chastity?
Chastity, sexual, sexual discipline is what I like to call it.
Well, chastity.
Chastity is a traditional female virtue, right?
Yeah.
Well, chastity means very little to no sex, right?
Like, but sexual discipline.
That's right.
Very little to no sex until when.
Correct.
And so that is not realistic in today's time.
I understand, but is it a traditional female virtue?
Chastity.
For you, it is sexual discipline is the word for me because I think women can got it.
So cope.
Yeah, exactly.
Can I finish my virtue?
Are you a person or an adult?
Let's see.
You didn't answer my question.
Is it a traditional female virtue?
Yes, yes.
Just like sexual discipline is.
Well, chastity was.
Sexual discipline implies that you're not going to be chaste.
You're just going to have less sexual partners than somebody who has many more than you do.
Chastity does not mean the same thing.
Can I set an example?
Let's say a woman gets married a virgin and for whatever reason gets divorced, the husband was abusive and whatnot.
Of course.
So they separate.
And do you believe that as a result of her having lost her chastity, she can't be sexually disciplined in the future going on?
In this case, she's still following the virtue of chastity.
So the idea here, when you're equating chastity with virginity, they're not the same word for a virginity.
The virtue of chastity is that you're trying to only retain any type of sexual activity for husband.
That's the idea.
So I wouldn't say like husband dies.
Woman is no longer fucking following the virtue of chastity.
She still would be.
The question here, though, comes down to the idea of what is a virtuous woman.
And if you say a virtuous woman is one who's chaste, it's 1,000% the case that in modern year compared to 1930, they are not, they do not have that virtue of chastity, most women.
Most women do you think that's the case right now?
Wait, wait, what percentage of women get married as virgins?
Not very many nowadays.
So how can you hold these two?
Yeah, biological inferment.
It's not possible.
So the biological inferment.
A woman with virginity and a woman's virginity.
Let's talk about statistics.
Let's talk about statistics and the fact.
At what age back in the day did women used to get married?
On average, it was much younger around 1920.
Right.
So would you say then that that has something to do with the fact that women that are now getting married at an older age because they are waiting for the right person or they're waiting to be financially stable?
They're just waiting to get to college.
Or they're waiting to finish their career.
It's just college.
Okay, whichever reason of those that is, do you think that that also has to do with why they aren't?
Why would it be a necessary entailment that because women wait until they're older to get married that they need to fuck?
So would you?
Don't ask me a question.
Answer the question.
Then ask the question.
Because.
Why would it be a necessary entailment that because a woman waits until she's older to get married that she needs to fuck?
Why would it be a logical entailment that because a woman the first time?
Okay, then answer it first.
Okay, so.
Why would that be a logical entailment?
That was the fourth time.
Go ahead.
Because, well, human nature and human biology, which I do not, which I do not negate.
I am a realist, right?
I'm a realist.
I operate in reality.
So they don't have to.
If you would have not gotten married or would have found the person.
Oh, sure.
I would have been the worst degenerate on planet Earth, but what's the point?
Who cares?
That has nothing to do with the point.
I think it has everything.
It wouldn't matter if I was going to go out every single night to blow off of a hooker's fucking ass and then fucking go get into a gangbang the next morning.
It has zero at all to do with my point.
Why is it a necessary entailment that women got to fuck before they get married because they get married older?
Tell me why exactly.
So if that's the case, all you're saying is that women are less chaste than they used to be.
And then you're giving an excuse that they are because they're waiting about nine more years on average to get married.
So they just gotta fuck.
No, that's not the case.
I'm upset at the fact that women have to.
That women have to engage in relations.
They have to.
They have to fuck before they're married.
They have to be aware of that.
Why are you so upset that women can engage in sexual relationships?
I'm sorry.
I thought that you said that that's immoral.
No, I never said that.
Okay, so it's not immoral to engage in sex before marriage.
I think that it's good to wait before marriage.
Why is that good?
But it's not necessarily reality.
Why is it good?
Well, ask people that do wait until marriage and how long it is that they stay married.
But again, that's a very small percentage of the population.
So then people should, they ought wait until they're married.
I have on average.
I have conflicting views personally on that.
And you're not a femcon?
I am not a femcon.
You're not a femme.
You're ultra undressed.
You're ultra, you're ultra-right-wing.
And you're not a traditionalist.
I'm not a traditionalist.
Never said I was.
Nor a gentleman.
But you're definitely a femcon.
You're definitely a femcon.
So you can't tell me right now that it's not good for women to not engage in sex before marriage.
So I'm sorry to bring this up because I know it is a sensitive.
Yes, I had tons of sex before marriage.
But my answer is to my point where I was going to talk about the marriage.
Are you going to talk about my wife now?
Would you consider her a chaste person?
Okay, so anyway, what would that have to do with that?
That I believe she can be a very high woman.
I didn't say they can't be virtuous.
I didn't say they can't be virtuous.
I'm not assuming her.
I'm saying she has virtue.
Nobody said they can't be.
Nobody ever claimed that they couldn't.
No, this was not the claim.
I'm asking you a question.
Is it good for women to not have sex before marriage?
I think that it is on the individual.
So then you would prescribe for some women that they fuck before they get married then?
I think it depends on the individual.
So then some individuals.
And I don't like that.
So then some individuals, you would prescribe they have sex before marriage.
I think that people usually are.
Hold on.
Let's operate in reality.
I am.
I think that most people are in a relationship for a year to two years before tying the knot.
And it is unrealistic in today's standards to go without having any kind of relations before doing that.
Is that good, though?
You ask me, right?
I am asking you.
Is that good?
I think that sexual compatibility is important.
So they need to fuck.
Why are you so upset?
Because I'm asking.
Can you just answer the question?
Why are you so realistic?
Do they need to fuck or not?
No, they don't need to.
Let her answer.
Let her answer.
He wants a yes or no.
I do.
Would you prescribe that women fuck before they get married?
I prescribe that they should verify that they have sexual chemistry and whether that leads them to find that out in one way or another.
I don't know what they're saying.
What would you consider the best way for them to find that out?
It depends on the couple.
Yeah, like on average.
Just on average.
I'm not in people's bedrooms.
Yeah, just like on average.
How would you say that that's probably the most likely way for them to discover?
How did you find out that you had sexual compatibility?
Yeah, I was out fucking with your wife.
What's your, yeah, what is that?
How did you determine that?
Literally anything that you ask me from an anecdotal perspective, regardless of how I answer it, has no bearing on the argument.
How you're telling, so would it have been bad?
No one's careful.
Or is it bad?
Or is your body?
If I literally grabbed some woman next to me right now, threw her up on the table and just started fucking railing her in front of all of you, how the fuck would that have anything to do with my question?
How would it have a fucking thing to do with my question?
How?
Because you're trying to say that being chaste is the ultimate value.
No, I'm asking you.
I'm asking you to have relations.
Who cares if I did?
You had relationships.
Oh my God.
Why?
Tell me how that would matter.
You're a human.
Women are human as well.
That has no bearing on the argument.
Would you prescribe that women fuck before they get married the guy that they're going to be worried about?
She has her own body.
They have their own body.
I understand.
Would you say it's good?
I would say that it varies.
It differs basically.
Generally.
Generally, I would say.
Since she won't answer.
Well, I personally wanted to wait until marriage.
Definitely.
It's their choice.
But I got married and I'm not a yes or no question.
I'm not asking.
Listen, you can make a caveat and say, sure.
For like most people, it's good.
But I would prescribe for at least some people that they should have sex before they marry the person they're going to marry.
Here's the answer.
Would you calm down so I can at least finish the sentence?
Here's the thing, right?
It's like what I'm asking specifically is if you would at least recommend to some people it would be good for you to have sex before you marry this person.
I don't recommend this person.
Any kind of sexual stress between other couples ever, period.
That's my answer.
Why can't you accept?
Yes or no?
So then the idea here is when you're talking about ideas like chastity and you're talking about ideas like virtues, those virtues are prescriptions of ought, people ought do thing.
So when I'm asking you about your oughts and you say I would never make an ought, I don't even understand now what is virtue.
I believe that women ought to be sexually disciplined for their own sake as in to maintain that really quick.
Yeah, so when you say healthy question on sexual discipline.
Go ahead.
So would you categorize the following?
Women's Deserved Chivalry00:15:17
Hey, you got to put it on frame.
Put it on frame, Nathan.
I'll be back.
Would you categorize the following as a woman who has sexual discipline?
Prior to marriage, let's say she gets a lot of women get married in their late 20s.
Let's say a woman had one monogamous boyfriend per year up until the age of marriage, starting, say, at 17.
So let's say she's had sex with 14 men, but they were all within the confines of a long-term relationship, monogamous relationship, each lasting one year.
Would that be sexual discipline?
To me, I think that that is poor initial vetting of the people that they're with.
But I mean, I don't understand, but that would be sexual discipline, would it not?
I think that the poor sexual discipline stems from the main problem, which is poor assessing of people's character and who it is that they pick to be in a relationship with.
I think that's the problem.
And I agree with that, but to come back to the original point that you made with Ivy, is that if a woman who just got gangbanged by 10 guys who has semen all up in her, you know, no condom, whatever, goes on a date with a man, right?
And then she said, oh, but that's his choice to go on the date with her.
Do you go on that date and when he asks you, how was your day?
What did you do today?
Are you going to tell him, well, I banged 10 guys today, and that's what I do.
And that's what I do for my living.
Is that your conversation starter?
Do you think that man wanted to go on the date with you because you'd banged 10 men?
That is my question.
And I do want to bring it back to, I guess, the original point here.
So what specifically, I mean, I want to direct it at you, but I feel like maybe you guys want to weigh in too.
Yes.
So my position is simply this.
Why should men be chivalrous for women who are, I mean, look, I think widely people would perceive this, but I'll just say from my own perspective, non-deserving.
Can I answer?
Let me let you go.
Let me let you go.
Stop.
Okay.
Go ahead.
Well, I think if a guy knows what he's signing up for for the girl that isn't like a sex worker or whatnot in the industry, I think that it's kind of his choice to be shiver.
I can't say the word shiver.
Shiveralist because I think he knows what he's signing up for.
And maybe.
Why the expectation then from women?
It's not.
It shouldn't be an expectation.
But their position, her position, is that despite me not holding up any of my own traditional, like any sort of traditional thing, I still want the man to uphold his because it benefits me.
I don't think it's right for the expectation to be there, but I think if the guy is knowing what he's signing up for with the girl that he's choosing to take on a date, that he's kind of signing up to hold that, to be shiv.
I can't say the word, but yeah.
I'd like to add that I think that women in general, just by virtue of being a feminine woman, should receive chivalry from men.
Regardless of children.
Not just because she has a vagina, but like the way that we can categorize feminine.
Our natural attributes, what we bring to the table in a relationship with a man.
So a woman.
He brings strength.
Do all women reach that threshold?
I would say...
What would disqualify a woman?
I think what would disqualify a woman from not receiving chivalry is disrespect, right?
Is she disrespecting him or herself, society, right?
Is she, how do I say this?
So is it disrespectful to show up on a first date with another man's seed?
I would say yes.
Okay, and you're polling.
I am as cruel.
I might like to do that.
But I also wouldn't schedule a date back to back.
Wait, stop.
Genuinely, like to you.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
So to 99% of men, the thought of, I understand that there are some cucks out there, for 99% of men, the thought of the girl he's going on a date with or the girl he's going to be in a relationship with or the girl he's going to be intimate with, the thought that she's being sexually active with another man, yeah, that is disrespectful and disgusting to that man.
I think it's important to be like transparent about your sex life, to provide people that choice.
That way you're not violating their bodies.
So like I think it is important to say, yeah, I like, as much as they don't want to hear it, you open up that opportunity for them to say, yes, I want to move forward with this.
No, I don't.
Would you, if a guy wanted to go 50-50 on the date, would you be okay with that?
I have been in the past, but I just feel like, you know, I have different standards now.
And as much as people think that I have lower standards just because of what I do, I don't.
Like, it doesn't matter what they say because I know that I don't.
So I think that a lot of sex workers actually have higher standards for dating because of the treatment that we get from society or social media.
Yeah, but you don't deserve it is what I'm trying to get at here.
But what?
Look, regardless, I think I didn't answer this question.
Somebody originally posed it.
Might have been you.
So women who are sex workers, women who are not ladies, women who are promiscuous, women who are not feminine, whatever it is, everybody's deserving of respect.
I'm not saying that sex workers or promiscuous women or women who are poly or whatever it is.
I'm not saying that you should walk up to her and smack her in the face and call her a bitch.
I'm not saying that at all.
You should always treat people with respect, regardless of their job, profession, whatever, career.
However, what we're talking about is something very specific, and that's dating dynamics.
There is an expectation on men to be chivalrous, et cetera, et cetera, be all trad.
And it's interesting to me that you, I guess here's my question.
Maybe I'll rephrase it a little bit.
Yeah, I would just reduce it to this.
Why does any woman deserve chivalry?
I asked that.
That's why we're single.
That kind of comment is the point of the lonely.
Answer the question.
I know it's important and nothing.
It's probably for her.
It's actually, no, no, no.
It's actually you.
It's you because even as the conservative woman here, you're not actually willing to step up and be like, you know what?
Men need to be better, but you're actually, you're actually.
Men need to be better than women to do that.
Hold on.
But my position is certain women don't deserve chivalry.
So if we're not.
I never argued against that.
You just said the reason that there's a male loneliness epidemic is because men don't want to pay for dates with little whores.
No, no, no.
That's literally your fucking position.
No, I don't.
Okay, should I. Hold on.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Hold on.
Let me ask you a question.
That's why all women don't deserve chivalry.
I didn't say women.
No, people.
We did say that.
No, that's not what he said.
I'll bet you $500.
I didn't say that's why women don't deserve chivalry.
That's why all women don't deserve it.
$500.
Put it back.
Is that what you said?
$500.
I have $500.
Grab that clip, send it to Brian.
Oh, not my producer.
Can somebody watching just send it to my own?
$500 for me.
Asked a question.
I said, why does any woman deserve chivalry?
That's exactly what I'm saying.
Nope.
That's a completely different statement than no women deserve chivalry.
So why does every woman deserve chivalry?
That's what you said.
Why do women deserve chivalry?
Why do women deserve chivalry?
It's a different statement than that's why women do not deserve chivalry.
I'm hearing you.
They don't.
Hold on.
Okay, so if that's the way that you meant it as a question.
No, it's not what I heard.
You did shake, by the way.
It's my question.
We can say that I've answered questions in the positive as an, okay, so why do all women deserve chivalry?
And why does any woman deserve chivalry?
Correct.
That is what you said.
That is what you said.
Why do men deserve virginity?
I said right after that, that is the kind of comment that is driving us apart as the sexes.
That kind of assumption.
That's a great contribution there.
So can you man the trolls, the thorps, out of the fucking chat following that?
Yeah, yeah, wait, wait, wait.
Don't hide that.
Let me hold on.
Andrew doesn't even think his wife deserves chivalry.
I'm reading it.
That's why he made her take a paternity touch.
Stop, stop, stop.
Okay, I'm just reading the screen, but I don't know the thresholds.
We don't need you to be the host.
Gotcha.
Anyway, so again, you're being really bad faith.
You're strawmanning.
You've been strawmanning positions all night.
Andrew literally didn't say that.
He was asking, why do women deserve chivalry?
It seems like you're taking the affirmative position that even women who got gangbanged the morning of the date should have their date paid for.
Well, that's our position.
So why are you arguing against it?
No.
But so we're asking why.
Okay, I guess I'll ask the question like this.
It's okay for people in society to say men should.
Women can say it, men can say it, society can say it.
Men should.
Men should pay for first dates.
Men should provide, men should protect, men should observe the sidewalk rules.
So if there's a car barreling down the road, he gets fucking smashed on the pavement and the woman gets to survive, even if it's a first date.
Men should open car doors, men should buy flowers, men should do all these things.
What are we allowed to say women should?
Do we say that?
We're allowed to say men should.
What can we actually say women should?
Women should provide affection, a listening ear.
Goes both ways.
Goes both ways.
I'm asking uniquely.
So men cannot do their leading.
No, but okay, when we're talking about chivalry, men to women.
Chivalry does not flow women to men.
So I'm asking.
I disagree with that.
Because I've bought flowers for my friend before.
Okay, I'm talking about.
How many first dates have you been on?
First dates, not many, and you know why?
Because I pre-vet people before I even go on a first date.
How many?
So there aren't many first dates.
It's usually first date and then relationship because we've been talking for a very long time before that because I want to not waste that person's time and money.
How old are you?
You're 32?
32.
32.
Okay.
So how many first dates have you been on?
Probably seven in my entire life.
Okay, did you split?
Did you pay for it or did the guy pay for it?
They paid for it because we agreed on that before.
You have that conversation?
It's not just assumed.
Yes, correct.
don't just assume that you're dating like a conservative guy so no okay so you wait when you say you have the conversation wait didn't you go on dates when you're 18 so So when you were 18, you're like, hey, by the way, buddy, you're going to pay for the date?
No, we had the conversation.
You were vetting at 18?
Yes, believe it or not.
Okay, I mean, that's a good idea.
Believe it or not.
In fact, those are one of the things that you talk about.
And if I have a verbal conversation on the phone and they say, I can't wait to treat you out to dinner, that is a verbal confirmation that the person wants to treat me to dinner.
So I know, we both know, both consenting parties know how it is going to go.
So of all the data.
And if he doesn't believe in that, then we don't go on the date and I don't waste his time.
But so of all the first dates you've been on, which you say is seven, in each instance, the guy paid, correct?
Yes.
Okay, so you responded when I was saying chivalry flows men to women.
If in your own experience, men always paid for you on the first date, and my argument here is, well, chivalry, an example of chivalry, excuse me, would be men paying for first dates, but you've never paid for a first date or even gone 50 years old.
I do other nice things.
Okay, once you're in the future.
Okay, great.
You've been dating a guy for two years and you bought him a birthday present.
That's not what we're talking about.
Neither am I.
I bought flowers for no reason.
I bought gifts from my boyfriend and he bought a lot of fire.
But you chose to contend with my point that I was making, which is chivalry flows from men to women.
And you're like, well, that's not true.
No.
So how do women flow uniquely?
Chivalry is kindness.
For you, what would be the equivalent word that defines chivalry as in kindness from women to men?
Well, first, there's an equation.
So it does require symmetric.
I think it can be symmetrical.
It's not for me.
I've been chivalrous towards men.
And I've been chivalrous towards women.
I've taken women out on dates where I pay for everything.
I open the door.
I take on that mask.
That's not the role.
Yeah, I understand.
But this is not individualized.
So hang on.
Let me explain and express.
The Titanic's going down.
Who gets lifeboats first?
Women and children.
Nope.
Fuck that shit.
The women and children.
Who makes that decision?
Well, these are, well, no.
This is a general expectation, which came from the various ideals of not just chivalry.
That wasn't just one.
But also essentially the idea that women were a valued commodity, right?
But all of those became a shared ethos, which led to chivalry.
Now, that continues today.
The Titanic goes down today.
The women and children still get the lifeboats.
So, the question becomes: what is the equivalent of that in general society that men have the expectation to get from women?
What is that?
I think there is loyalty.
I think that's the value added of being by their side because men meant no.
No.
Let me finish.
There's also the creation of mine.
I just need to let me finish the mind.
Men have women to impress other men very often.
And so, if you have a woman that is next to you, that is intelligent, that can have a conversation and a debate, then it raises your value as a man in comparison to having somebody who can't do value and pay for essence.
But there's not even a dispute here.
The thing is, is like all of these things, though, are shared.
There's also women who get men and want them as arm candy so that they can show them off.
There's all that.
There's also women who want men who look like students.
There's also male proportionality.
It wouldn't comparison.
Hang on, hang on.
It wouldn't matter.
The idea here is it's not a shared generalized value like it is for men.
The women and children get the lifeboats, where everything is that you're talking about.
It's such a feminist.
It is.
But even if it wasn't all.
I'm going to grant it.
I'm actually going to grant all of this.
That yes, men invented it.
They just like went to war.
Okay, you're right.
We just grabbed a chisel and we were like, men give lifeboats.
Got it.
We put it in fucking enshrined in stone.
They made the decision.
Can you give me anything that's the equivalent of that from the female side?
That's what I'm asking.
Well, women are the ones that are responsible for destroying their bodies and bringing life.
Unique Male Responsibilities00:15:56
Do you have any kids?
I don't have any kids.
How many men paid for first dates that you didn't give children to?
Oh my gosh, seven meals?
And you think I should give a man a child for paying for my meal?
No, no, that's not what I'm saying.
No, no, no.
Hold on.
Let me explain the argument.
Let me explain the argument.
Men are also expected to toil, so it's not even an argument.
Let me explain.
So if the idea here is men should be chivalrous, and chivalrous is expected up front immediately, ergo on the first date, men should do that because at some vague, nebulous point down the road, I might give birth to this man's child.
However, that argument doesn't really make sense.
Absent in all instances in which you've gone on the first date with somebody, if you didn't bear them children, then that argument doesn't hold any value.
It wouldn't anyway.
The reason I went on first dates was the reason I went on first dates isn't because of the fact that they see their chivalrous.
It's to see if we have chemistry after the fact that we've talked about whether our values are the same, whether our futures are going to align, a bunch of other things.
The reason that this argument doesn't hold weight is because it's an equal curse anyway.
Going back to the idea of Adam and Eve, Eve had to give childbirth, but men had to toil.
Both of those take the toll on the body.
So yes, it's true.
Women have to deal with the bodily toil.
You're making a religious argument.
No, no, no.
I'm making a present-day argument.
The top dangerous jobs on planet Earth are held by which sex.
So they toil.
That hurts their body.
You have the children.
That hurts the body.
That's an equivalent exchange.
I want to hear what we get that's fucking unique.
Women are doing those jobs for the moment.
What do men get that's unique?
I don't think your own mother would be happy to hear that question come out of your mouth to say what it is that women give to you that is unique.
Do you have other than life?
Wait, what?
Other than life?
Wait, wait, wait, stop.
Yeah, wait, wait, wait.
You mean men's genetic material for life?
I asked you.
You don't.
Yes, you do.
No, we can reproduce women with bone marrow.
No!
With certain technology, yes.
No, you can't.
No, you can't keep it.
You always need male genetic material no matter what.
You can't do it alone.
I sound like they control the money.
We don't need the technology.
I'm curious what our program is.
We don't need you, though.
Just the women.
That's us.
Yeah, the sperm's just us.
Look, I don't like the argument.
You can put that in a fucking jar.
Does that lead to good children?
Perhaps one day make an artificial womb.
One day.
I hope you can afford it.
But that's my point.
I don't like the argument that we need to be a woman and women don't need men.
We need her.
Absolutely.
But it's no value.
Nobody's even disputing this.
Just asking about.
So why would a woman want to have kids with you?
I don't know.
They did.
But here's the thing.
Here's the thing, though, right?
You know.
Wait, what?
I wish her the best.
Yeah.
well i mean you don't need to she's never she's never been happier but the thing is is like wait andrew hold on Andrew's been polite to you.
I don't know why you're being passive-aggressive and insulting Andrew.
I don't even care.
I just want to get the answer to the question.
What can you name a thing which is equivalent that generally men would receive that's the equivalent of the women children's lifeboats?
Anything.
Just one thing that is not a shared process.
Genuinely asking that question.
Okay, so women are the primary people that are in healthcare, right?
So if you go to the doctor, you're probably going to be seen by a nurse first.
I heard this.
Are you listening to this question?
Yes, I am.
So if I'm going on a date with a woman, what I get is that there are vaguely women in healthcare.
No, no, no.
What topic is that?
No, if I'm going on chivalry.
If I'm going on first date with a barista, what I get from the barista is that there's vaguely women in health care.
No, but you.
How does that fucking benefit me?
Correct, correct.
Hold on, wait.
I'm going to let this poor girl here.
You ask a vague question.
Not a word.
My hands getting cramped.
Go ahead.
Wait, we've got to let this girl come in.
Go ahead.
Skin to the table a little bit.
Yeah, I definitely.
It's like Tommy Lauren all over again.
That would be a compliment.
Thank you.
The biggest problem, too, I think, that we're kind of running into is, like you have said, we're setting a lot of standards for men, but we aren't setting standards for women.
And I think a lot of these things of chivalry and of, as well, for women, virtue.
These should be personal standards we have just for ourselves.
You know, we don't need to have the other sex in them.
But it is frustrating for men if, you know, we are expecting so much of them and open every door and do all of these things, but how are you going to be able to provide for them?
It is a fair argument.
And men do want to be able to be provided in that sense.
You know, it comes with a distortion nowadays.
Our culture is really sexually saturated.
So then that translates now into, you know, sexuality, whether they want essentially customized pornography of you or they want all of these different things.
You know, and women say, oh, yeah, I can provide that, but ultimately that's not the utmost which we should be providing.
And this is loosely from C.S. Lewis.
He had said that the ultimate career is motherhood and everything else supports that.
So you had said that women sacrifice their bodies and destroy their bodies from childbirth, but that's actually not true.
Giving birth to children will make you healthier.
It will decrease your rates of cancer.
It's just a good thing to do, generally speaking.
For some, but I mean, if we're looking in the reality and the statistics.
Yeah, women ain't dying in childbirth much anymore.
That ain't a thing, really.
Yeah, and I agree.
Really?
I agree.
They have diastasis.
Yeah, it ain't a thing, really.
They have diastasis recti, and they have their bodies reshaped.
And the only way to put it back together is with surgery.
Wow, just for some anti-natalist propaganda.
Yeah, I think women are.
Conservative women is.
This is literally anti-natalist propaganda.
That is probably the same thing.
To speak facts is propaganda.
Well, okay, how many women does this affect?
Most women have diastasis, recti, absolutely, and they need to be surgically put together.
Since this is a data set, do they need to get surgically put together?
Absolutely.
It means that their muscles separate.
Sure.
And then even if you work out and do all the bounce back stuff, they won't come back together unless you have surgery.
But does that do most of these women need to have surgery?
Well, for a man like you, if they looked the way they looked like after childbirth without any kind of help being put back together, I don't think you would be attracted to them.
Do they need to have surgery to get put back together or not?
Yes.
No, they can live their lives perfectly comfortably without women.
Not only that, yes, it's a choice.
And by the way, while it's the case, and I already gave you the counter to this, while it's the case that I would even grant that childbirth can be destructive on women's bodies, especially when they get older, which is why you should get married younger, but men destroy their bodies at work toiling also.
So Brian is destroying his body on the body.
Do I think that you're going to get?
Hang on, do I think you're going to get like post-I'm just saying men should have an option.
Do you think sitting is good?
Do you think sitting is good?
No, what the heck?
Yeah, it's bad for the body to be sitting.
But it's not just that.
I'm not getting a fucking computer.
I got carpal tunnel syndrome.
My fucking back hurts.
My neck hurts.
But you can't do that.
But you're not going out to hunt animals.
So what I'm saying is you have an option.
And you're 32 without children.
So what the fuck are you talking about?
I have an option to do that just like you have an option to do.
But this is the podcast.
But this is the equivalency.
But you see, the equivalency of the argument is to say, even though, yes, it's true, most men toil.
Brian doesn't toil.
And it's like, okay, I can see the argument, but you're in the same position.
While it's true that maybe most women with children X happens to, I can point to you and say it doesn't happen to you.
So what have we got?
And that's not how you argue.
It really will happen.
If you're going to make an argument, if you're going to make an argument, you should make the argument based on what it is that we're discussing, not the individuals.
Which is a sacrifice that not the individuals.
Well, the men are making the equal sacrifice socially and societally when they have the top most horrific jobs, toil, and die in them.
And I think that's like that's not a unique.
No, no, you ask what it is that women do after that.
That's not a unique proposition like the lifeboats, though.
What are we getting or the draft or things like this?
What are we getting in exchange for those things?
Right.
That is on the equal pale for that.
What is it that you want?
What does that have to do with anything?
Because I'm curious, what is it that you want to do?
I want you to make an argument.
That's what I want.
I want you to ask me, to tell me what it is that you want.
I want you to make an argument for what's equivalent.
For you being a chivalrous man.
I want you to make an argument against my argument.
Oh, Mikey, an argument.
And it is that men bond through vasopressin versus women bond through oxytocin.
And you know what creates vasopressin in men?
Being useful to women and having a purpose versus women.
So men actually become more attractive to women when they are doing things for women.
So men's.
When they're having a purpose when they're adding value to their life.
So men's purpose is to serve women.
Wonderful.
That's what they're doing.
Is that the case?
Hang on.
What do you answer?
Is it men's purpose to serve women?
Scientifically speaking, they are happier when they do.
I'm asking you, is it men's purpose to serve women?
I think it's men's purpose to have a good family and a life, not to, I think they should serve society.
How's that?
Okay, but it sounds like the best way that they can do that is to serve women because that ups a chemical in their body, right?
It's by being useful to women because, yes, it makes them productive.
So really the best way to do that is what makes them productive members of society.
So again, my question.
So I answered.
So really the best, hang on, I just want to clarify this real quick.
I answered.
So really the best way for men to serve society is to serve women.
Is to serve their community, and women are a part of it.
But the serving the women particularly is what releases the chemical, right?
What do you want out of women?
Is that the case that it's the chemical release that is assisting them in all other things that they're doing?
So, primarily by serving women, that would release that chemical.
So, they ought to do that, right?
If they want to be happy and productive members of society.
So, if they want to be happy, productive members of society, men serve women.
Got it.
Okay, now I ask your question.
That's what you should be doing.
Got it.
Correct.
And so, since I answered your question, why don't you answer mine, which is what do you want to get out of women in exchange for you being a gentleman, right?
Yeah, so you're talking about a preference now in generality, societally-wide, right?
What is it that you want out of women?
Yeah, so I would ask, are you asking me as an individual?
Are you asking me what I would prescribe societally-wise?
No, you, as an individual, what do you want and for you?
Yeah, well, my personal preferences for women would have nothing to do at all with the argument, but I would give you the gen, I'll give you what I would generally prescribe.
I think it would be a much wiser idea prescriptively from the government top down to begin running any type of propaganda possible for women.
Stop, stop.
He's answering the question.
Stop coming off.
For women to move into marriages younger rather than older.
And the reason why that's a good thing is because it negates a lot of that damage to the body.
It negates a lot of these fucking problems where women are now under the threshold for having our own kids.
You're a conservative.
You don't like mass migration.
Women got to have more kids.
Otherwise, they're going to have to have more kids.
What do you want out of a woman in exchange for you being a gentleman?
Oh, for me to be a gentleman.
Oh, no, I'm not going to be a gentleman to any woman.
Okay, thank you for.
I'm not going to be a gentleman to any woman at all ever.
Yeah, no.
Thank you for that.
Fuck that.
You got equality.
I'll be nice to women and I'll be polite to them like I am men, but I'm not going to do anything fucking extra for women.
You're known for that.
Being a gentleman is extremely.
I haven't been mean to you.
We've just been arguing.
Okay, so if an argument.
If you had a best guy friend, what would you tell them that, hey, you should want your woman to give you this in exchange for you being a gentleman and giving them that?
What is it that you want out of a woman?
Oh, well, then I would just, you would be, you would want deep religious conviction, submissiveness, and virtue.
That's not the thing that you'd be trying to answer.
What is it that's unique?
Because a man can also be religious, right?
And everything that you just mentioned.
So what is unique to a woman that you want in return for being a gentleman?
Well, I don't understand.
You mean what?
You mean what uniquely can a woman give for that?
Yes.
What is it that you want?
Chastity, specifically.
That can be also something that a man gives.
But it's not a thing that women value.
No, no, no.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, you said something unique that a woman can give.
Women can give feminine virtue, which is unique.
Men cannot give feminine virtue.
What is the one unique thing?
One unique thing.
Virgin child.
Virgin child would be chastity, virtue.
Child.
Can men do that?
So you want to change.
Can men do that?
So I'm going to keep back what I just said.
You clearly are not answering my question.
Okay.
I'm understanding it.
But how are you going to serve?
I'll tell you what.
Use super small words.
Go ahead.
I think you're in your feminine energy because you're asking women.
Felix, yes, or no question only.
I'm trying to answer her.
I don't know what she's at.
What am I missing?
Feminine energy because you're asking women for something in return for being a proper gentleman and just having the role in society that you should have.
And that Vasopreston is the way that you bond by being serving women.
Let's serve women.
Why don't we even grant that Andrew is in his feminine energy because he's wanting something from women?
I'm asking him to name it.
No, but name what?
Name what?
What is it?
What is she asking me to name, though?
is it that you want from women i literally just told you if i was going to make a societal wide prescription no you want the one unique stop talking about society You.
What is it?
My personal preferences have nothing to do with the virtues.
But yes, submission.
And not only that, men are in a unique men are in a unique position where they can ask from women what they want.
The main thing that women can do, they can do, is they can be chaste, give children, take care of the children.
That is a unique thing while men work that they can do in the tender years that they're necessary.
That's all you want out of a woman is them giving you children.
Is that submissive?
Is that your final answer?
Yes, and chastity, yes, which is a feminine virtue.
Don't you think?
Well, all I'm asking for is actually just this.
I think that women could make the great case for chivalry if it was the case that they were moving towards feminine virtue.
Then I think they could make the case, male virtue, we want some sort of privilege, which is what you used to have that you argue against, like no debt, things like that.
Those were privileges.
But the idea now that if you say women are not to move towards the idea of virtue, but just some sort of like compromise of sexual discipline or something like this, I don't think that they are in any position to ask for the lifeboat situation or any sort of chivalry at all.
Why should they?
I started this whole conversation on, you know, men do this for women because they are being chivalrous.
So what do men get back in return?
That's what we discussed.
Yes.
And then my final question was what you want in return.
Yeah, me personally has nothing to do with it.
My personal preferences have nothing to do with the arguments.
I don't agree that men are.
Are you asking less of women?
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
Stop.
Let me ask you this.
Let's say that I woke up tomorrow and I went out and I just like fucking beat a guy to death with a hammer.
And then the next day in court, I went out and I made an announcement and I said, you know what, everybody?
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Beating somebody to death with a hammer is bad.
What would me actually having beat the person to death with the hammer have to do with me then saying that beating them to death with the hammer was bad?
It would still be bad.
I would still be correct whether or not I engaged in the beating of him to death with the hammer, right?
Yes, and that's called hypocrisy, which is why you get called out on it as a result.
That wouldn't even be hypocrisy.
Yes, it is.
That is actually the definition of hypocrisy to beat a man with a hammer and the next day say that it is bad to hit people with a hammer.
I see.
So it is the case that I smoke.
So if my 11-year-old comes to me and says, Dad, should I smoke?
And I say, no, I'm a hypocrite.
Yes.
You're sending the worst example by dedicating it.
That is not a example.
You're non-verbally expressing that they should.
Hang on, hang on.
I have in the past drunk and drove.
So if I tell a 10-year-old, do not drink and drive, I'm a hypocrite, right?
Would you do it again?
Do you do it again?
Well, whether or not I would do it again.
Would the guy who beat the guy to death with a hammer do it again?
He says it's bad.
But the example you set previous to that was you smoking.
So that is a continuous thing.
Not that you smoked once.
It's you smoking that makes it a continuous thing that you do.
Yeah, okay.
And telling your child not to, that is hypocritical.
Okay.
Because you're non-verbally telling me that.
If that's the case, am I driving continuously?
No.
In that case, am I driving continuously?
Completely different.
Okay, hang on.
Am I driving continuously?
If I am, what right do I have to tell my 10-year-old that they can't continuously drive?
That is not a hypocritical statement.
Why not?
What's the difference?
I will tell you.
I can't wait to hear it.
Yeah, I made a mistake.
I didn't do it.
No, no, no, not drinking and driving, just driving a car.
I drive a car all the time.
What right then I then have to tell my 10-year-old they can't drive a car?
That would make me a hypocrite, right?
No, that's because you have a logical explanation, which is you can't.
You can't drive a car because you can't drive a car till you're 16 because it's the law.
Wait a second.
I'm super curious about this.
So, as long as there's a law, you're not a hypocrite.
No, because you have a donation.
So, isn't there a law that you can't smoke till you're 18?
Do you think there's a law you can't smoke till you're 21?
Are you okay?
Isn't there a law you can't smoke till you're 21?
Yes.
So, then, therefore, by that same logic, me telling a kid not to smoke, I still wouldn't be a hypocrite.
I think we need to change the situation.
I might do a couple of things.
For your sake, we actually are going to do a seat change because you're actually opposition now, so we're going to put you on the other side of the table.
So, you two will switch seats.
Okay, now we're taking away.
Because I don't want Andrew's neck fucking cranked the entire show.
We also have this chat coming in.
Jared H. Blonde's donated $200.
Oh, boy.
$200 just to say that.
Specifically, a username.
I don't care a blonde.
Who cares a lot about you?
That changes.
People are paying money.
Just to talk to you.
Exactly.
Here, just say it.
Just say what you wanted to say.
I'm going to see how we can do this.
I think it's best to do that.
Okay, we don't need to talk about the change.
Just do the change.
Go ahead.
Let's go.
Yeah.
I think just important to note in this conversation, we talked a lot about what's going to benefit society most.
That was thrown around a lot.
And again, it seems like an argument between men and women, but the biggest emphasis on it should be the children.
That's the growing generation that's going to be what is most impactful.
And we can't really have these conversations.
Has this ever happened, by the way?
You know, the switching of the chairs?
Oh, yeah.
It's happening.
Did I just make history, guys?
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No.
No.
But you get your.
Actually, before the show, she wanted to be on that side because it's her side.
She has a better side.
So I did get that.
So now you get the good side.
You get the good side.
All right.
Continue on, please.
Yeah.
But regardless, having the emphasis on having a good society, the emphasis should be on children.
Now, this is turning the wheels a little bit because I've never been at a table with this many people who work in the, I guess you could say adult film industry.
So I've had quite a few friends who have done everything from OnlyFans to stripping to prostitution.
And every time I have seen it, I have always seen it as a form of self-harm.
It's something that happens in early childhood.
There's some form of molestation, of assault.
Leads to then women doing sex work.
So I would decide soon.
No, I'm saying that this.
It's just it's not, it's bad for TOS.
I'm not going to get into it.
We're not going to fucking talk about that.
Okay.
But can I ask one question?
Hold on.
That's not always true.
Yeah.
Definitely not.
There's usually some kind of harm behind it.
There is.
Frank.
I disagree.
Would you be okay with that?
I'd say most of the time, somebody okay.
I think that's just generalizing of a complicated issue for the girls that are.
Especially people forced into it.
Would you be okay with the girls that are at the table that do work in the industry, like just by raising of hands, if you have had some kind of sexual inappropriateness in the past, you know, molestation?
Well, I don't even think you're saying it's only that word.
I think you're saying in general some kind of harm happened to them.
I'm not interested in having the sex work bad debate.
It's boring.
Well, can I ask a question?
How are you not?
Because you don't classify yourself as a feminist, right?
How not?
Because I believe that I believe in traditional marriage.
I want traditional marriage.
I believe in loyalty.
I believe in faithfulness.
But you want traditional marriage without like without being a traditional woman and without automatically being a traditional woman.
If having a career makes me a non-traditional woman, then sure, call me a non-traditional woman.
That's how we're losing elections.
Well, not even that.
It's just conservatives.
Thank you.
That's why we're driving women more to the left by chastising them for being individuals while at the same time being able to be mothers and being able to manage a household.
It's the married women who are voting Republican.
They vote the same way their husbands do.
And why are there so many that are unmarried and are voting Democratic?
Is it because of people like you that are talking heads for the right or for the right?
Some people would consider you that.
So you're taller.
Oh, I don't give a fuck about that.
Oh, no, just so you're taller.
So anyway, the thing is.
Yeah, yeah.
So anyway, if you're asking about liberal Democrat women, the reason that they are is because of higher education rates in university.
That's why most women lean more progressive than men do.
That's why.
And they don't have the same benefit of the same type of career.
So men, they're dealing with sewer systems, they're dealing with lineman systems, they're dealing with heavy electrical systems.
They're actually dealing with systems which are dangerous.
They have some stake.
They understand how systems work better generally.
At least the ones that they live inside.
They don't have the same university indoctrination that women do.
Married women, on the other hand, tend to move towards their husband's politics and vote towards their husband's politics.
Okay, well, the best thing for the GOP would be to let or encourage marriage, especially religious marriage.
Not so much secular.
So let's talk in, again, realism.
You can't force a religion upon a person, right?
So how would you?
How is it that outside of religion, you would convince a person that this traditional marriage situation is.
It's not a traditional marriage without religion.
What would make it traditional?
Okay, so a lot of people would disagree with you.
Okay, tell me what makes a marriage absent if you're saying tradition, what would make a non-religious marriage?
By the way, I personally believe that the person that I want to marry should believe in God.
Yeah, but that's not my question.
My question is.
But that is not negating the fact that there's other people that can be.
How could it be a traditional marriage absent religion when traditional marriages were all done through the church?
Because we live in modern society.
Then it wouldn't be traditional marriage.
Okay, so why would be something else?
This would have had a lot of things that we were having at the beginning of the show, which is, again, that then why not just get married for the show with a pastor in a church and not do the legal paperwork signing afterwards.
You're operating in an awesome idea for you.
You want legal marriage through the state, and that makes no sense from your view.
That's what exists.
It's not what I want.
It's what exists.
You don't have to do that.
Brian's frustrated because we're going to go back to this conversation again.
I want to be.
I almost am just in this moment.
I'm contemplating why don't we just get you guys a 1v1 debate scheduled for because the second they leave the room, they never do the debate.
That's why.
No, I think she...
Well, I mean...
Are you kidding me?
I will happily be back here for you, Andrew.
I can't wait to do that.
You leave tomorrow, Andrew?
I will stay an extra day.
Yeah, I can't stay.
Andrew can't do it.
You can't stay.
You can't stay in the extradition.
What time's your flight, Andrew?
Darn.
What time's your flight, Andrew?
I think it's like.
My flight tomorrow's at 6 in the morning, and I'm here.
And I wish you could be aware of that.
Do you want to extend a day?
And we'll do a 1v1 debate and it will be Firecracker.
I can't extend.
Oh, you can't extend.
No, I can't extend.
I have somewhere else I have.
I'm going to get on the flight in the American app.
He has other.
He has other engagements.
Okay.
Well, we'll schedule it for a future time.
Not to say that you guys can't engage tonight, but I do want to, to be fair, and I want to try.
I'm not going to ask, though, to invite people.
Oh, I'm.
Okay.
On our end.
Yes, I'll call.
On our end, we're good to go.
Great, fantastic.
We'd love to have you back as long as you're fine with it.
Yeah.
Do you want to do it?
You don't seem as excited about that idea.
Why is that, Andrew?
Because you're not a good debater.
You think so?
I just got invited back.
Yeah, well, I think that that's for Brian's entertainment.
But I think the second you looked at the camera and basically said that men need to serve women, your whole TPUSA FemCon thing was explained.
No, I think men need to serve society, and as a result, you need to serve women to do that.
That is what she said.
Yeah, because it releases a chemical.
Release is a chemical.
And that is the thing by serving women that allows them to serve society.
No, it's what makes them happy to serve.
Oh, it makes them happy.
They're happy to serve women.
To their community, yes.
But specifically, they get the chemical from the women.
They get the chemical from action.
From making women happy.
But you don't plan.
Do you plan to create a community anytime soon or with your husband?
I'm part of a community, one.
I think communities are strengthened when there are marriages in that community with kids.
Do you want kids?
Yes, I want kids.
I plan on having kids.
Absolutely.
I'm going to have kids, and maybe in like probably three years, I'll be back and introduce the label.
How many kids do you want?
Probably like three.
Yeah.
Do you want to stay home with them for the first like five years or so of their life?
Yeah, more than that, actually.
I plan on doing remote work and also homeschooling and also having my passions and being at home because I want to be the person to instill.
Let me understand.
Let me ask you a question.
I'd like to add in on the men serving women and how it brings them happiness.
You know what?
If you think about Rachel back here after the 25th, if he wants to debate with Rachel.
Rachel, come after the 25th.
Oh, that.
Keep going.
Okay, we'll figure it.
Okay, so when it comes to dating and having a long-term relationship, just in my own experience, I've noticed that when a man is able to help me get a task done or I apologize, I have to adjust your microphone.
Can I have you tilt your microphone down?
Yeah.
And scoot it this way like two inches.
I'm just doing some adjustments.
Yeah.
Since you guys switch chairs, scoot the mic that way.
This way?
Yes, go ahead.
Okay.
Go ahead.
Okay, so when the man is able to provide maybe a meal for me or help me with a task that maybe I typically don't like to do, like getting my oil changed or, you know, masculine things that I, as a woman, don't really like.
It feels good for the both of us because I'm allowing him to be the caretaker, the provider, the leader, and he is bringing that masculine energy to me and making me feel soft and feminine.
So I can see the argument that when men serve women, they're happier.
Have you never had a man like pissed off at you for like letting, at least that happens with me like very often, that my boyfriend's like, let me do it.
Like let me carry it.
Let me grab it.
Yes.
And they almost get like frustrated that you don't let them do it or that you do it themselves.
Yeah, because that is a man in their healthy masculine energy.
And we need more of those kinds of men for society.
I wish we should copy and paste it.
I feel like we're propping up men for being men, but when are we going to prop up women for being women?
I feel like having children is no longer popular.
I feel like, no, no, I literally don't mean this offensively, but people may be like you are in your position or women who have a really cool, powerful position or work really hard and make money, so money is power, right?
No.
Do you look down on women for not going into the workforce that just wanted to be, you know, and maybe you don't look down on them, but I feel like it's popular and trendy and it's kind of making people feel sad or bad about themselves for giving up and becoming a mother.
And I feel like that's how society's framed.
And I hate that so much.
And I don't like that.
I really do respect women more than anything that decide to be full-time moms.
Like stay-at-home moms being the person that cooks, cleans, looks after their kids, and does that full-time.
Absolutely.
You know, I'm actually trying to get them more respect from the men who say, oh, she just stays at home and doesn't work.
That is the point that I'm making here.
She does work.
In fact, she doesn't, she works around the clock, not just a nine to five, eight-hour shift that you clock in and clock out of.
And so I want men to value that kind of work so that when they come into a union with a woman, they don't just think to themselves, oh, I'm going to pay for this look and they're going to let other people.
You know, I got to let other people come in at this point.
All right.
Did anybody on the previous conversation, did anybody, so basically, look, we were talking about, it originated one of your notes there.
Basically, my position is I don't believe women who are not trad don't deserve, excuse me, women who are not traditional do not deserve traditional treatment.
That's my position.
So traditional treatment would encompass chivalry.
That would encompass paying for dates, observing the sidewalk rule, et cetera, et cetera.
Men don't want to do that.
If you're not traditional woman, they don't want to do that for you if they have that knowledge.
But you're not.
Yeah, women are very nice.
That's good.
So with all the things that I do do as a non-traditional woman, though, I don't deserve that gentlemanly, chivalrous behavior.
I don't think.
So I don't think you deserve it.
You don't really know me or what I do, but.
Well, I mean, I looked online a little bit, so I was my online presence.
So it has nothing to do with who I really am as a person and what I do in my for men.
And, you know, our online personas are not us.
I think as sex workers.
That's ridiculous.
That's a piece of us.
Yeah, no, no, no, it's a piece of us.
But we're not portraying our reality.
I don't think it made it better.
I don't play a character.
I don't play a character.
I think some people do play characters, but you're just a sex worker.
You can't just be like myself.
I do.
I am myself.
I am exactly who I am.
You don't ever play it up.
You're always your most vulnerable real self.
You treat your clients just like you would treat like maybe a man.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't lie about my positions.
Even though Rachel thinks I'm like, there's boundaries.
I swear to God, I'm not a bad person.
I mean, I don't tell them like what's like super ultra-personal things about friends' health or something.
I don't treat them like your friends.
I treat social media like basically like a friend, yeah.
Okay.
Like a close friend that you're in person with.
And I'm real at real-life ideas.
I'm very open.
Okay, we have personal conversations that you might be having with that customer, not your portrayal online.
So any customers, it's so immaterial to the conversation.
Yes, some sex workers are playing a character.
Some sex workers are genuine and it's a fucking representation of them.
That's besides the point.
The point here is, again, regardless of how much it encompasses your true self or whatever, by virtue of you being engaged in these sorts of things, I believe you're not holding up your end of the deal of the trad deal.
So I don't think, yeah, look, do men still do it?
Do men, what?
You're missing out.
Sex workers are really being kind to all these women.
You're missing out.
All men are chivalrous.
But there's millions of people.
Just chivalrous.
Hold on.
Just chivalrous.
Oh my God, this fucking panel.
Not all humans are traditional.
Like, not regardless of gender.
Then don't, if you're not a traditional woman, don't hold men to a traditional standard.
Truly, find joy in reciprocating those values, regardless if they're traditional or not.
Like, my boyfriend, for example, is very, like, he's very chivalrous.
So, you want to be able to do that?
But I don't think that every single man is a good person.
I was very transparent with him from the start, and I think that's why I get chivalry.
Like, I genuinely sat there for seven months and talked to him about my quandary.
Stop, I've repeated myself multiple times.
I acknowledge that women who are sex workers can still get chivalry.
There's no dispute that there are men who will still do the meta, most effective tactics available.
So, yes, there are still men.
You could be the most degenerate woman ever and participate in a fucking bukaki gang bang every single day of your life.
Some guy, yes, will do those traditional things, will pay for dates, will be chivalrous, et cetera, et cetera.
That's not in dispute.
What I'm saying is, I'm looking like the chessboard.
I'm talking about the chessboard.
I'm talking about the landscape.
I don't think you deserve it, and that's a separate conversation.
Do you still get it?
Does your boyfriend still pay for your dates and stuff?
I don't think you deserve a good woman, but I mean, you might get a good woman to your standards.
It doesn't mean that I don't think you don't deserve love or anything like that.
But you know what?
And we have different values on what a good woman is, too.
So, like, what I think is a good woman might differ from your views.
Can I try maybe a different approach?
So, the idea that Brian's talking about, when you talk about kindness, things like that, kindness, being nice, maybe, you know, various things like that.
I think that reciprocating those, or maybe we could just refer to them as manners, like having manners, right?
You're nice, so I'm nice.
You're polite, so I'm polite, right?
You're kind, so I return a kindness.
I think you have to separate and untangle those ideas from the idea of chivalry.
Chivalry is the idea that men are going to go fight the wars if the draft comes.
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It's the idea that women are going to get the lifeboats, the idea that well, it's the idea that in general, in general, public, if there's a fire, the expectation is that they need to run in, right?
That they used to be part of bucket brigades that did just that.
Those are expectations that are more in line with chivalry.
And so, what Brian's asking, and I would just put it down to the core issue, is why men should have any expectation to do any of those things ever.
If it's egalitarian and we have equity, why should there even be an expectation socially that men have to do with an expectation, but what did you want in exchange for that?
That's what my question was when I was sitting over there.
What is the expectation?
Yeah, so I think.
Yeah.
So, you want to ask us it, what do you think?
So, again, I guess I'll go back to this.
If we can say men should.
No, men do because they're the ones that set it up.
Men are the ones that like run into buildings because they want to, and they're the ones that set up the life of it.
From a dating lens, it's paying for first aids, sacrifice, provide doing all those things.
Chivalry.
Yes.
That's what I was asking.
So, I'm asking if men should do XYZ, what should women do?
I'm asking you, what do you want them to do?
Men have restricted women's growth in the past.
I'm asking you the question.
I have an answer to that as well.
I'm asking you the question.
Stop referring.
I've never heard it while I was in the world.
Okay, well, we're starting with you.
We're starting with you, and we're going to skip you.
What am I answering then?
Okay.
If you can say, if you might have to do that, what is the virtue, in my opinion, like what should a woman do to gain that?
To gain that chivalry?
If we say men should be chivalrous, should pay for dates, should do these things, what should women do?
Okay, so present yourself kindly, respectfully.
Men are the leaders.
I ask you for what women should do, and you say, men are the leaders.
Yeah, like, well, that's why we have the chivalrous word for women, for men and not women.
I ask a woman, what should women do?
And she says, men are leaders.
I opened the door for a while.
So, something men should do.
Okay, men are leaders, something men should do.
Thank you for answering the question.
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Hold on.
What should women do?
I think that we should reciprocate based upon their preferences, depending if it aligns with our preferences as well.
If that doesn't make sense to you, I understand it's not how you were possibly raised.
Wait, can you straight the mic so it's pointing straight at your face?
I mean, after that, I'll answer your question correctly.
So, women should reciprocate.
Let me ask you a question: Who should pay for first dates, men or women?
I prefer a man to pay for the first date, but if they want to go 50-50, then I will go 50-50, depending on how the date goes and if I'm like feeling the vibe.
So, the guy has to make up for it if he goes 50.
Like, he has to be way more attractive.
No, it's not about it.
You'll tolerate 50-50.
No, it's not about like physics.
I mean, physical attraction does play a part.
Like, I think that like stands for everyone.
I don't, if I don't know if that stands for you, but in the past three years, how many, like, how old are you?
You're 26.
Yes.
How many first dates have you been on your entire life?
I couldn't count honestly.
A lot, yeah.
I've been on a lot of dates.
It doesn't mean that I don't.
How often do you go 50-50?
Or do they always pay?
Mostly always pay.
I think that I don't know.
I went through a relationship where I was paying for everything and I didn't like it.
Did he pay for it?
Did he pay for the first date, even that guy?
He bought me pizza.
Yeah, he paid for the first date, I guess.
It was really that great of it.
I acknowledge that women can find themselves in non-traditional relationship dynamics, but I'm speaking in general of all the, you said you've gone on a lot of people.
They usually pay first.
But I'm confused.
You say reciprocate.
So the reciprocation in this instance would be if the man pays for the first date, well, I mean, reciprocation would just be going 50-50, I guess.
Or you would occasionally pay for first dates, I guess.
Acknowledging the wage gap that plays a part in society.
What?
Is important, honestly.
You probably out-earn all the guys you date.
What do you fucking do?
Denying a wage gap, though?
Yeah.
There's no wage gap.
There is no wage gap.
No, it's totally fucking bogus.
It varies.
Depending on the field.
No, I'm very out of like, there's a work.
There's a work gap.
Do women earn more than men as sex workers?
I think it depends on the sex record.
There's a lot of male sex workers that don't get investigated the way y'all investigate women's earnings, honestly.
So I couldn't possibly say, but a lot, I've known male sex workers that have made way more than me.
Who's the male Sophie Rand?
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I don't really watch.
You should ask a gay guy, probably.
Yeah.
Taxi fair.
We're not going to know.
So they're both appealing to the same demographic.
Men.
I have a question for her, if that's all right.
You've said that you were in a relationship where you paid for most of the dates with that guy, right?
And that you didn't like it.
Is it, do you think it's because paying for dates or taking on that role makes you less attracted to the man?
So if a man wants to be more attractive to a woman, they would at least be able to pay for a meal.
Right.
I basically felt like I was enabling him and like I was restricting him from growing by providing everything and I pretty much was.
He started to expect me to pay for everything and I don't think that that's sexy, right?
W him.
Good for him.
Yeah.
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Okay.
So I want to answer your question because you've asked it a bunch of times and you feel like it's unsatisfactory.
Yeah.
So I just want to make sure.
Yeah.
So I want to make sure that we get it right before I answer it so that I have it correct.
We're going to untangle two ideas.
Yes.
Idea one is that chivalry and dating could be slightly different than what we see in the general population for chivalry, which is women get the boats, men get the draft, blah, blah, blah.
Men are expected to run in the burning buildings, this type of thing.
Can we untangle that?
Okay, good.
So I think that if it's the expectation that women want to have those additional privileges, your question.
Once you just mentioned the whole, like, the votes and the...
Yeah, yeah, all that stuff.
Women want to have...
Expectations?
No, because men are the ones that set that standard.
Okay, I got it.
Yeah.
Okay, so there's no reason for men to keep holding those standards up then.
There's no reason for them to want to, yet they still continue to do it.
Got it.
Okay, so what my argument is, is just this.
If women want to see chivalry, if they want to have men continue in those roles, then women need to take a back seat on authority, things like the right to vote, stuff like that.
I think that if they move, I think that if they, well, only if it's the case, only if it's the case that you want to see men continue in those functions.
So if it's not the case that you don't want to see men continue in those functions, then fine.
I think they can continue in those.
Okay, hang on.
Let me make the argument and then you can respond.
Yeah.
If it's not the case that you want to see them in those functions, then if it's not the case that you want to see them in those functions, then yeah, sure, you can grow boss all day long.
But if it is, hang on, almost done.
But if it is the case that you do, right, then I think that rescinding autonomy or rescinding authority to men is the benefit to men in that relationship.
I didn't want to continue to see men in those roles and have those expectations.
Would they continue to do it themselves?
Yes.
Because they want to.
Because strong, strong men in our society do voluntarily take up those roles and do create those kinds of systems to protect women and children.
So even if I was a real person.
Why should they continue to do so, though?
Well, they want to do so.
And you're asking me why they should continue to do so?
Yeah.
Because they are playing their role in society, in a functional society, just like women are playing their role by being mothers, by maintaining households, by holding a community together, by making sure the kids are involved.
Yeah, so then men should always assume the higher risk.
High risk.
And hang on, hang on.
Just let me ask the question before you answer it.
Men should assume the higher risk of things like the drug.
Okay, well, I'm sorry.
Do you have any risk ever of being drafted?
Do I have a risk of being drafted?
Ever.
No, do you have any kind of risk that women go through as in, you know, the number one, the number one reason for female violence is men.
So if I go outside right now, this is a perfect.
But hang on.
Wait, wait, because you asked me, right?
If I go outside right now, we're kind of in a sketchy part of California, right?
Vulnerable.
I am more vulnerable and at risk than you would be yes or no, right?
Yeah, that would be indeed the case.
I run more risks just as a result of being a woman.
However, correct, every single day.
And I hate that.
Okay, but those are socially.
I understand that.
Those are socially avoidable risks.
Socially avoidable by moving.
Just stay inside to stay inside.
Chill out.
Let me make the argument and then respond.
Okay, so the argument's just this.
It is the case that if there is a draft and a man avoids the draft, how often does that happen versus how often do I go outside?
Can I at least ask the fucking question?
If it is the case that a man is drafted, he avoids a draft, he goes to jail.
Your individualistic risk right now in Santa Barbara, walking around in the middle of the night, is almost negligible.
If you take the averages and then only associate yourself with the average, I can say your risk is statistically higher than a man.
Sure, that is the case.
But why should men be punished for that?
Well, why are men punishing other men by being the ones setting up a draft system to send other men to the men?
This is exactly my point.
So my point would be, though, that if it was the case that we eliminated the draft, which I think they should.
That actually would benefit you the least, right?
That would benefit women the least.
I didn't hear the last part.
That would benefit women the least if we eliminated the draft, right?
How would it not benefit me if rich and elite powerful men are sending other men to die for different?
Because if it's the case that you're here and not go out and die and the United States is invaded, you may do automation by technology.
Off please, sure I'll let you finish.
I'm literally willing to let you finish your thoughts if you're willing to let me finish my go ahead.
So if it's the case to answer your question that we needed to levy troops quickly right, what would be the best way to do that?
I don't think that we should levy troops quickly.
I think if we are going to defend our what interests, here or abroad yeah, we should do it with the technology, kind of like the technology that we used when we invaded Venezuela.
That made them bleed out of their noses and ears and made them stand.
That's what I think.
No, I'm talking about the technology.
You didn't actually answer my question.
Yes, I did.
No, you didn't.
What would be the best way?
What would be the best way to levy troops quickly?
Why would I want?
I don't want them to ask you what you wanted.
I asked you what's the best way to levy troops quickly?
By paying them.
There's always been a financial incentive to joining the military, so you can.
So you think that if you offer like a $30,000 lobby interrupting me, do you think that men sign up to be in the military to do it for free, or there is Draftees, get paid?
Yeah, you still get paid paid paid paid.
Draftees get paid.
You still get paid, and you also get your education paid for by going into the military.
So to draftees certain benefits.
If you were to, you're to answer your question, if you wanted to get people together really quickly without needing a draft, then you pay them.
So does that answer your question?
So here's the thing that's funny.
It's like we've been through this, right?
You can offer large cash incentives in order to levy troops somewhat quickly.
I agree with this.
But if you're in a major war where you're seeing actual significant casualties, which we haven't seen since basically Vietnam or before that World War II, guess what?
Cash incentives, $20,000, $30,000 come back in a body bag doesn't work.
So what do they then do?
They do what?
Levy what?
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I'm not sure because they don't have to.
You're not sure that they levy a draft when that happens?
I don't see that ever happening again in the future for any kind of reason.
Do you?
Do you?
Yes.
Yes, of course.
We have drones and robots now.
The last draft wasn't that long ago, of course.
Well, this is one area where we're going to agree to disagree because I think that's a good idea.
You think it's impossible we'll ever have a draft again?
Yes.
Impossible.
Impossible.
Yes.
Okay.
We'll see.
Can't we just switch the humans out with robots since they're going to be better at fighting anyway?
No.
We use robotics or so many other things.
We use drone strikes and a lot of modern states.
Do you think they'll have a bunch of robots running down the field?
I mean, it's robots.
Yes.
Okay.
So then we agree to disagree.
We get rid of the figures we should get rid of.
So hang on, we get rid of the draft laws.
And then after we get rid of the draft laws, I just want to ask, should women still have privileges when it comes to Titanics going down?
They get the boats and the children get the boats first.
I think that it should be equal, honestly.
But regardless of me thinking that it should be equal, men, gentlemanly men, traditional men, are always going to put the women and children first.
That might not be you.
It could be you.
I'm not saying it's not.
But gentlemanly men have been the ones who do that and decide that for themselves.
So then the idea here is you don't need to yield anything to the privileges for women in society because it is the case that men just really want to do that shit for you.
Yes.
So I keep going back to the question.
What is it that you want from?
I want a rescindance of authority if you want to have privilege.
Yes.
Okay.
So how would you exercise that authority?
What do you mean?
Well, we would just do it.
We would do it civically.
Okay.
Through like the rescindance of the 19th Amendment and various things like this.
So take away their own.
Wait a second.
Women, this would be a social agreement.
Yeah, so if the idea is socially in a social agreement, women want to retain privilege.
They want to retain privilege of like lifeboats and equality.
If you don't, I get it.
But if women do, if they want the idea of we have a privileged spot in society, we get gentlemanly.
It's always treated gentlemanly.
We get treated this way.
We get treated that way.
Then it is the case that it was always the case that women couldn't vote either.
Only post-vote did you start seeing the ideas of chivalry start to go out the window as egalitarianism and equality came in.
So if it's the case that you just don't care about that, then we don't really have much of an argument because ultimately all you're saying is men really shouldn't do these things.
I have no good compelling reason why men should do this.
No, I like for men to have the option to do it or not because then it shows me their character.
Why would they have lower character by not doing it?
Well, I, I, it is a personal Canadian, think that they have lower character by not doing it.
And so I'm going to make that lower character.
I'm going to pick the guy that does.
I get that, but what would actually, in fact, make that a man of lower character?
I've said it's my opinion.
Do you think that women deserve to vote?
Well, if you're going to be a person who's not going to be able to do it, it depends on how you want to structure society.
If you want to structure society with female privilege intact, then no.
But if you want to structure society with complete equity and egalitarianism, which is what feminists want, then sure.
Depends on how you want to structure society.
How do you want to restructure society?
I think it would probably be a whole hell of a lot better if you're going to maintain female privilege to yield authority.
But if women don't want to give up female or get back female privilege and then yield authority, then what will end up happening inevitably is men are going to just take it.
I would absolutely hate to be in a system where you have authority over women.
And that is precisely why.
What would happen in the system where I had authority over women?
I think that you would abuse that power.
How?
I think that history.
Give me a specific.
Sure.
Historically, when people are in different levels of authority and don't have equality and aren't treated as equal human beings, and I'm not saying men and women are the same.
Let me finish.
They should be treated as equal human beings.
Like, let's say slavery, right?
They had people were in a position of power, so what did they do?
They abused that power.
When men, when women could not be financially independent in this country, well, and this is very sad, but men had the opportunity back in the day to be good husbands, to provide for their families, to be loyal husbands, right?
But since women didn't have the financial capability of escaping a marriage, right?
Then they had to put up with cheating, with domestic abuse, domestic violence.
And what is evidence of the fact that they weren't happy is that once they finally had the opportunity to be financially independent, they did.
And they didn't continue to get married.
I understand.
So then would you get it?
Then would you say then, and I'll just wrap it up.
we'll wrap it up like very quickly Brian okay we'll wrap it up I understand so So the idea here is pre-women's suffrage, collectively then, if men are collectively not wanting to give women the right to vote, which they didn't, they were in fact abusing women.
They were what?
In fact, abusing women by not giving them the right to vote.
I think that they definitely abused their power by not being able to, by women not being able to escape their parents' right to be able to maintain them or I understand.
That's consistent.
Correct.
So then the idea here, would you refer to that collective of men who was oppressing by not giving that right to vote a patriarchy?
Necessarily was that a patriarchy?
Well, if it's collective, is that collective a patriarchy?
That system is absolutely a system of patriarchy.
Where men can be abusive to women.
And were they that grandma, you know, my grandma, your grandma, whatever, wasn't happy back in the day under that system because she could have had a lot of people.
Was that system necessarily a patriarchy if women were not allowed to vote because the men collectively women can't vote?
Yes, and men are saying no.
Yes, I think that is a society that is patriarchal.
So you think it was good for women to get together and resist this patriarchy, right?
Get their right to vote and resisting that patriarchy.
I believe that women did the right thing and fighting for the rights of voters.
Now, I'm just going to tell you this.
The definition of feminism is the movement towards egalitarian by deconstructing and resisting the patriarchy.
Okay, so if that's your definition of that, no, that's the definition.
If that's your definition, then call me a feminist.
I don't call it.
I'm going to.
I get it.
You're a femcon.
Yes, exactly.
You're a feminist.
Yes, you're a feminist.
Yes, 100%.
And Google feminists nowadays, you know, you have the first wave feminism, second wave feminism, third wave feminism.
What do they all have in common?
They're resisting, if there's an oppressor-oppressed class and women are the oppressed class, who's the oppressor class?
First wave feminism was making sure that women are his question.
If there's an oppressed class, if there's an oppressed class and an oppressor class, and women are the oppressed class, who's the oppressor class?
It would be men that don't allow women to vote.
And if men collectively and if men are collectively not allowing that, I think patriarchies are great.
And that's why we're losing elections.
Thank you.
To whom?
We got Trump elected.
People with my view got Trump elected.
No woman with like a woman did work on Andrew.
Oh, yeah.
I did no work.
It was all the TP.
It was all you.
You did all the work.
No, I'm saying I had a part in that, but we all had a part in that.
But the point is, is like we all had a part in getting him elected.
Thank you.
You drove women away from getting him elected back.
Okay, we drove women, which must be why he was getting so many female votes from married men.
But what do I know?
Just the stats show it.
But in any case, if that's the case, do you want to resist the patriarchy?
I don't want to resist the patriarchy.
You do.
That's by definition.
But if it's your version of the patriarchy, sure.
We mean my version.
I never want my daughters to live in a society where they have no voice.
And I don't think you would want your daughters to live in this either.
Women always had a voice.
If women didn't have a voice, can you vote, you have no voice?
Hang on, can you explain something to me?
Yes.
If women didn't have a voice before they got the right to vote, how did they get prohibition passed?
Oh, by being nagging.
By being people like me.
Wait, they had a voice?
So they had a voice?
That you find extremely annoying.
So they had a voice?
So they had a voice.
They collectively got together and organized within themselves.
Because they had a voice.
They didn't have a voice.
And how did they get it passed?
Are you talking about could they speak?
Yeah, how did they get an amendment passed before they could vote if they had no voice?
They had a voice.
Because they did recognize.
Because they did it through leverage, right?
Oh, so they had a voice.
No, they actually were bad, rebellious wives.
So we're not going to cook for you.
We're not going to clean for you.
We're not going to do all this stuff.
We're going to stop society from moving forward unless you give us a right to vote.
So they had a voice and men listened to them.
So they had leverage and they forced the hand.
Okay, so then they had political power.
So they had political power without the 19th?
That's so weird.
How did women have all this political power without the 19th?
You think that's how you want women to do things?
I think that women always get you to do things.
Oh, no, you're making my point for me.
My point is that women collectively had a collective voice and they collectively had leverage and they were looked to for issues of moral certainty.
Moral certainty.
What they were not looked to was for being political cogs or having any space in that wheelhouse.
They had their own.
But to say that women weren't listened to, hang on.
To say women weren't listened to, to say that women had no voice, to say that women had no leverage, women couldn't get their will passed before they could vote, even though they got an amendment passed.
One of the stupidest amendments, by the way, they had to get rid of it.
They had to get rid of it.
It's fantastic.
You are so great for this movement.
I am.
I'm fantastic.
We need more feminism.
I wish we had more feminism and resistance to the patriarchy.
That's really great for conservatism.
Prenups and feminism.
Oh, no religion.
What a fantastic, what a conservative movement.
Maybe for you.
You really need to do it.
What a great conservative move.
Do you realize in our favor?
You're a happy person.
Women's happiness rates crashed.
Yeah, you really crashed.
Yeah, you really seem to be crashing out there.
I think that I can convince the girls here to vote for common sense, conservatism, and a Republican.
Well, yeah, it's just giving them feminists.
Are we talking about rhinos?
Versus if you tried to make an argument for them voting for whoever you're supporting, I don't think that they would be able to lead.
I actually agree with that.
That's their point.
Well, listen, I 1,000% agree with your point that if you sell feminists on feminism, they'll vote how you want.
I totally agree with you.
1,000%.
Tell all the feminists to be feminists.
They're definitely going to agree with that.
No, I'm saying that women should have equal value to men and an equal voice.
And resist the patriarchy.
If that's what you call resistance.
You got to resist that patriarchy.
One sec here.
Let me let them all down.
Just the fact that she did vote for Trump, though, means that she's not a feminist.
No, no.
No.
Trump is not a feminist.
A lot of what are called TERFs voted for Trump.
Those are trans-exclusionary, radical feminists.
They're the most avid feminists.
And they voted for Trump for one specific issue because they were trans-exclusionary.
They were pissed off that transgender men, well, they were actually men, right?
But trans women are going into their sports leagues, kicking their teeth in, bashing their faces in, kicking the shit out of them, right?
So they actually had a small movement which was pushing back, saying, we will put Trump in office because he's going to make a mandate.
There's only two genders.
And guess what he did?
Made a mandate.
There's only two genders.
Trans-exclusionary, radical feminist went right to their agenda.
So like they're not going to be able to do that.
They're going to make him a feminist.
Right.
It's a very nominal percentage.
Hold on, really quick.
Didn't say he was a feminist.
I said that you can't say by definition a person's not a feminist because they voted for Trump.
That's silly.
Really quick, just because it came up.
By the way, based Justin, I'm sorry I missed your TTS.
Here's what I'm going to do for you because I missed it.
I'm going to let it come through.
If you want to send in one for the minimum threshold for me to be able to see it for 10, I'll treat that as a second, I'll do it as a read or as a second TTS if you want, because of my, I missed it.
That was my bad base, Justin.
Sorry.
But question, since it just came up, what is a woman?
Starting with you.
What is a woman?
What is a woman?
A woman is an individual human that was born with and has female parts and organs and a reproductive system unless they there was some sort of health issue in the matter.
Yeah, that's or I guess that's a real woman, a real woman.
So are trans women.
A biological woman, a biological woman.
Are trans women women?
Slipped.
Freudian slip.
I'd say that's a very nuanced question, but yes.
Yes, I do believe that trans women are women.
I just don't believe that they are the same as biological women.
So Harley.
Hold on.
Your answer.
I genuinely agree with that.
I don't think that as we're going around the table on these questions, don't be like, I agree with this person.
Just restate your own position.
Yeah, I think a woman is someone who is born with the anatomy, but I don't think that it's right to invalidate transgender women.
And, you know, I try to keep an open mind about it, but realistically, like, and logically speaking.
But what is a woman?
Like, if you had to define it.
I couldn't put a definition to what a woman is.
Like, I'm not necessarily like someone with a like someone with a vagina, I guess.
But at the same time, I'm sorry.
Go on.
Well, like the post-operative men, well, trans women who have their post-op trans women, Do they have a vagina?
Is that a vagina?
It's um a cosmetic vagina.
It's a cosmetic vagina.
Yes.
So could I put up a cosmetic vagina in my armpit?
And is that a vagina?
I don't think you can.
I cannot be.
Why couldn't you?
I'm sorry.
We're the penis inside out.
I think you can.
If you like, I can't.
I think he could do it.
We need to do it.
Yeah, we could.
Doesn't that sound insane to you?
Why Women Pretend00:11:01
Your answer to the question, what is woman?
I think, Mr. Adrian Freedy.
A woman is somebody that was born with reproductive female parts.
There are only two genders.
A woman is somebody that menstruates, meaning they have the four menstrual menstrual parts of the menstrual cycle, which I'm curious if you guys know since this is a dating show and it is the essence of being a woman.
But yeah, that is a woman.
Do you know?
Actually, yeah, I'm curious.
I mean, there's like luteolphiz and what are the other fucking no, but that's basic to being a woman, right?
And this is a this is what we're talking about.
Hold on, wait, wait, wait.
I gotta keep things on fucking track.
Answer the question.
I would just say being a woman is the polar opposite of being a man, like anatomy.
And yeah, what is that?
I think being a woman is being a person that was born with female reproductive systems.
A woman is, if you were born a woman at birth, whatever God chose for you to be, you're either man or woman.
An adult human female.
I would say a woman is someone that represents or puts out feminine traits and dresses femininely.
So I do believe that trans people can become women.
So if I dress like I dressed in a feminine way, I could be a woman.
Yeah, if you wanted to be.
You a post-pubescent human being with XX chromosomes.
Okay.
Yep.
And if you want to weigh in, I guess you can.
Well, just give the ant.
Okay.
God damn it.
Okay.
If you're free.
It's really not that.
A woman is a person that's been born with a vagina.
And it's invalidating to women for men to try to take on that role.
I just don't invalidate women.
I disagree.
Yeah.
A woman is a woman who's born a woman.
It's kind of self-evident.
Okay.
Based, Justin, your TTS coming through.
Based Justin donated $200.
Feminist is as feminist does.
The proof is in the pudding.
Being single without kids at 32 after apparently Percy.
Of course, I fucking play it when she's gone.
Self-reflective.
I'll play it again.
I didn't fucking read it.
All right.
I have to wait for the other TTSs.
She's gone.
Can I make one statement?
Hold on, let me read these.
Hold on.
These are all related to her.
Is this related?
Greetings from Bavaria, poor misguided victims of degenerate feminist propaganda.
Like Chair Three are given multiple podcasts or channels on German state media, which you're forced to pay for, unfortunately.
Be glad it's not the case in the USA.
Question for Andrew.
Emigrate from EU, yes or no?
Yes.
EU is being taken over by them.
It's being taken over by.
Well, it's being taken over by Muslims.
Let's be real.
It is.
It's not Europe.
But you know what?
We need based people like Ari to remain in their fatherlands and the motherlands to repel the threat.
We can't see through.
We can't seed Europe, Andrew.
But here's the thing.
We need them to fight for their own country.
You have to stop.
Remember, she said that no men should be drafted and that there's no obligation for men to do anything like that.
They just want to.
So if that guy doesn't want to stay there and fight off the hordes for his women, he should come here and party.
That is a fair point.
You do raise a fair point.
You know, what are the men fighting for?
Yeah.
What are the European people?
You're fighting for what's the chemical called?
FASA person.
Oh, you're fighting for the fast of profit.
The fascinating proprofin so that you will feel better about yourself.
I mean, you do raise a good point, though.
It's like men fought to protect what they had.
But what is there now to protect a bunch of purple-haired, angry, septum-halving, feminist, misandrist women who have complete contempt for men.
No, even the look, the femcons are worse.
The femcons are worse.
Femcons are 10 times worse.
The idea is like you just.
We're not talking about it.
You just want to do it because it makes you feel good.
Wait, correct me if I'm wrong, but in the EU, didn't they recently make the draft for men and women?
I don't know.
But you know, that's really funny about that.
Or maybe they were talking about it.
Let me have Anya come in.
Go ahead.
So basically, who was it that asked, like, oh, if she was a feminist, why would she vote for Trump?
Somebody asked that.
Okay, so there's basically this ideology in men called the sneaky Falker syndrome.
They're sneaky fucker, but they call it sneaky fucker, whatever.
That basically men will pretend to be feminists so that women will sleep with them.
That's a major strategy.
Because most women want, or not most women, but so basically women have started to do it on the opposite end where they're doing the sneaky fucker syndrome where they're pretending to be feminist, but I mean, pretending to be con, but still holding their feminist values, as we see Chair Three doing, and just calling them conservatives, calling themselves conservatives while not actually being conservative and still being feminist,
but voting in the same way so that their husband or their boyfriend or other men are like, oh, you're a tribe.
So you must be a good woman.
Look, Europe is not lost yet.
Europe is not lost.
Yeah, but what are they saving it for?
Can I say something about the feminism thing?
I think our friend from the TP USA, I think she's like feminist propaganda, to be quite honest with you.
As if every woman in the world is in her position just because they've chosen to go out and get a job.
It's just not attainable.
So for liberalism to promise me a fancy job in an office, you know, it's so far it hasn't happened.
I don't know a lot of people that it has happened for.
It's very rare.
And you have to be from a very wealthy family or take out loans and debt to go to a really good school that's really hard to get into and hard to pay for to get a really nice job somewhere.
And so it's just, it's just propaganda.
And I understand why you call her a feminist, you know, because she's the ideal form of what people have been trying to sell us on what feminism is.
But most of feminism is at this table right now and it's selling our bodies over the internet.
Disagree.
Okay, hold on.
I'm letting this come through.
This is for you.
Justin donated $200.
Feminist is as feminist does.
The proof is in the pudding.
Being single without kids at 32 after apparently pursing at least seven tradcon men while more attractive than most.
Self-reflect much.
Quick response to this.
Response is: Do you really think I don't have a choice to be married right now with kids?
Me of all people.
What do you mean?
I mean, I have nothing but good, high-value, conservative, conservative men to choose from.
But I also have a boyfriend, and he is that exactly.
And it's just taking our pace in making, you know, and during those official.
Are your eggs frozen?
No, what the heck?
My eggs are fine.
Thank you for acts.
Just king, that's so weird.
I don't think it's weird.
Okay.
Well, isn't after like 33 agenda.
They're fine in front of me.
You know what?
Since you brought up the subject, actually.
Nope.
Yes, you did.
No, you're not going to fucking hijack the show.
Blonde FemCon, shut the bunny up.
Quit giving main character and act like you control the convo.
You've not answered one question directly yet.
Get the ball gag, one of the others have to help.
I love the game.
Thank you for the message, Bernard.
Sorry.
This is below the threshold, but I'll just read it.
Guys, we're just going to do 200 and up, okay?
I'm starting to think the feminist liberals hired a TPUSA.
Our fake conservatives had it out as fake conservatives had it out for Charlie.
Okay.
Well, you don't work there anymore, right?
You're ex TPUSA?
No, but I'm very proud of my time at TPUSA and a turning point action.
When did you leave?
Proud of the work that I did there as well.
But since you're mentioning eggs, it's scientifically proven that men's sperm and defective sperm is the reason why we have the most miscarriages and also genetic abnormalities in men.
So women are born with all the eggs that they're ever going to have in their life, regardless of their lifestyle choices.
However, men are overage.
Yes, after the age of 35, the amount of eggs absolutely does go down, but the quality doesn't.
However, however, for men, stop, stop.
You're not going to filibuster the entire fucking episode.
So the reality is we're not strictly just talking about, if your claim is it's strictly the egg quality, there's other components to pregnancy.
Like the reality is, as women get older, the chance of the chance of miscarriage increase.
There's other potential complications.
The worst factor in miscarriages is a low quality in men's family.
Dan, we were talking about freezing eggs.
I know you probably don't know about this, but alcohol is one of the primary reasons for having genetic abnormalities.
And then a woman's actual pregnancy, like whether she has mourning sickness, whether it is a good pregnancy.
That's why the Irish are done.
A good pregnancy or a bad pregnancy is very dependent on the lifestyle the man had before they conceived in the first place.
This is factual science and anybody watching can look this up and I hope that's not.
Yeah, it's better.
Hold on.
It's better for both men and women to have children when they're younger.
I agree with you that sperm quality declines over age.
But more because of lifestyle choices.
But what about women?
What if women have common and it has to be in lifestyle choices?
What if women have bad lifestyle choices?
Wouldn't it be like valid on both points?
Exactly if a woman drinks during pregnancy.
Yeah, that's way worse than a female.
Yeah, their body definitely would not handle pregnancy as well, but it doesn't affect the quality of their eggs because they're born with the eggs that they have.
Chromosomes and Gender Dynamics00:07:13
Does that make sense?
So if you're doing heroin and doing all this shit, that has zero impact on egg quality.
Oh, absolutely.
But do you know, since, again, this is a dating podcast, what is the average cycle of a man to produce a new, let's say, batch, to put it politely?
I don't know, two weeks maybe?
No, it's actually 90 days.
So if you want a healthy batch before conception, you need to be cleansed for 90 days, no alcohol, try to get healthy, try to get in shape so that a woman can have the healthiest pregnancy possible and you have a great baby with the best genetic potential.
Yeah, that's crazy.
So it's crazy that you don't know this and we're on a dating show, but that's why I'm here because I want more people to know this.
When did I understand if we're going to just do a pop quiz like, oh, you don't know this very specific thing about like physiology?
How does that even pertain to dating?
I'm sure there's certain things that you don't, you aren't aware of like male bodily function or even female bodily function that I could.
Yeah.
So are you an expert in all physiology?
I actually feel obnoxious.
I'm just, you're actually.
Probably to the vast amount of people too.
Yeah, no, it's just and your followers too, for sure.
Yeah, but I don't understand how because I have a dating podcast, does that mean I need to be like a complete expert on physiology?
Well, no, absolutely.
Okay, so what's your point?
Well, my point is that this is something that has to do with dating and relationships between men and women.
Like, what is a woman?
What is a woman's menstrual cycle like?
What are the four phases of it?
I think that's the essence to being a woman.
In this podcast, historically, you know, you guys ask questions that have nothing to do with dating.
Like, you know, when was the World War I and what decade was it in World War II?
What decade was it, right?
We had all kinds of questions.
We have to do with dating.
But the questions I'm asking have to do with that.
It's called the whatever podcast we talk about.
I love whatever.
And primarily dating.
Okay, so but sometimes we have fun segments that go into different genres.
I don't see a problem with that.
Okay, I'm just saying that I think the questions I asked in relation to...
But some of those things actually don't make much sense.
So for instance, for instance, you said that the whole reason for this is because of how it pertains to being a woman.
Yes.
What a woman is.
But you admit that you can have women who don't have any cycles at all.
Oh, yeah.
Okay, so then they're still women, though.
Yes.
Yeah.
So then when you, but are you really going to be aware of that?
So when you point that out, so hang on.
So when you point that out, right, you're not going to say that women who have no cycles aren't still women.
And the problem with those arguments, and these are particularly.
Now you're sounding like a feminist.
These are.
These are the particularly bad ones.
The opposite.
These are the particularly bad ones which come from my side, the right, unfortunately, is that the left will endlessly reduce this.
And I could do it for you right now to show you how they'll endlessly reduce it, which is why you have to actually have the good answers for this for what a woman actually is.
That Walsh did not, unfortunately.
He was close to the woman.
Joe Walsh?
Matt Walsh.
Matt Walsh.
So when you say these things, you're like, well, I'm just only saying this because that's what it pertains to being a woman.
It's like, no, you can be a woman and not have any of those things, actually.
Okay, so look at you sounding all feminist.
That's not feminist.
You would agree with me that that's the case, right?
Yes, I agree with that.
And that's not feminist.
That's the case, but I think for the vast majority of women, having a cycle is what makes the essence of being a woman, the pain that we have to endure during our menstrual cycle and the fact that it is beneficial for men to know that information because then you know how to act around a woman during different phases where she has more energy, less energy.
Do you know, for example, how many days out of a woman's cycle she can actually get pregnant?
Because I'm against birth control.
I don't cares.
Holy shit.
Sorry, I'm reclaiming my time.
But I'm just no, it's not you You've hijacked the fucking conversation.
Yes.
Do I need to?
Let me ask the panel.
Do you feel like she's hijacking the conversation?
Show of hands.
I think we have a choice to speak up as well.
Yeah, but like she will like, I'm the host.
When we're going around on a question, answer the question, let somebody else speak.
Well, this one was my fault.
I think she has a lot to say.
Because I did.
I did actually.
I did actually point this out.
Yeah, I don't think it's intentional, but it is a lot of fun.
But yeah, the thing.
But the thing is, I'm just pointing out that if you have an exception here, the exception will be used.
They'll say, well, that's an exception to the rule.
But if you're calling that a woman, then your definition can't be correct.
That's why I'm always going, okay, well, we've got to really critique the argument to make sure we got the right one.
Because while you could say this is in the essence of a thing, it's like, so is it the thing?
Yeah.
And it's not the thing.
No, I also mentioned having female bodily reproductive parts.
And you would agree.
But you would agree there, too.
We're so off track.
You don't need to have any female reproductive parts to be a female.
And then in that case, they would probably be somewhere like that's a medically abnormal example that you're giving.
There's only two genotypical paths you can take.
Well, actually, it's called Kleinfelter syndrome, and you can have an XXY chromosome.
So you have both male and female.
That's correct.
Kleinfelter syndrome, though, would not dictate sex and never has.
So you can have males who have a double X chromosome, but they're still male.
Yeah.
And just like you can have females who have a Y chromosome, so you can't use that either.
I'm glad we're just going to be able to do that.
Which is why you have to utilize genotypical, the genotypical pathways.
What's your point to all this?
My point was to.
Okay, go ahead.
My point is that I can reduce your position to nonsense, and that's why it's bad arguments from the right.
Basics of women, and I think we should start there on a dating position.
So a man who doesn't know the names of the luteal phases, which by the way, men in happy marriages and relationships know they're women's phases, trust me.
That's true.
They don't know what the luteal phase is, though.
Do you know?
Them knowing that their woman's on her period has nothing to do with knowing what it's called.
You're less of a man.
Come on.
If you don't know the biological or physiological phases of a woman's menstruation or periods, you're less of a man because you're not going to be able to do it.
No, but you do get brownie points.
I don't think you're less of a man, but it does help you within the relationship and the dynamic if you know what phase your wife or girlfriend is going through, because then she's always in the I'm going fishing phase.
You'll have either more patience for her because she is PMSing, or you will know that she's going to be really horny this week because she is in that inovulation, right?
It kind of sets you up for success knowing what phase you're correct.
And it's also why I don't, I think women don't need birth control if they plan around their cycle.
And so the way to do that, and I'm sure this is a position you as conservatives probably agree with, you know, not being on hormonal birth control because it's bad for women.
The way to get off of that is by tracking basal, basal body temperatures.
Read the fucking room, lady.
Read the fucking room.
Women Should Deferr00:05:59
There's actually the host.
You're the panelist.
Now you want to shift it into what conservative men you should be aware of, you know, the birth control.
Let me host.
You're not the host.
Nope, I'm not.
Be a panelist.
Yes, I will.
Stop trying to direct the conversation, lady.
Do you wear the pants in your relationship?
I don't.
I have a lot of people.
Oh, man.
You fucking walk.
You walk your boyfriend on a fucking leash.
I bet you fucking pegged that guy.
It's going to be a damn thing.
You fucking peg that guy.
You're fucking conservative.
So did we just finally cross the line where you assume things and try to insult my boyfriend?
You've been doing it all day long.
Because you can't have a argument.
No, because you've been incredibly disrespectful.
No, I haven't.
And rude.
Yes, you're trying to be the host.
Tell me one disrespectful thing.
You ought to defer to me.
You ought to defer to me as the host.
Go ahead, but I'm just, I ask specifically because I don't want to be rude.
Can I ask this?
Can I ask that?
And then go ahead.
But if you tell me, you know, if somebody else speaks or answers that question, I'll leave the floor to you.
I want an entertaining podcast.
I think we're getting a lot of views and subscribers.
Yeah, but I want to be.
Yes, entertainment is great, and it is entertaining having you and Andrew debate.
It would probably, for the viewers, probably frankly, the most entertaining thing would be for you guys to talk for the next four hours.
That would probably, no offense to the other panelists, that would probably be the most entertaining thing.
But I need to balance that with the fact that we have eight, nine, ten other people here who I would like to involve in the conversation.
Go for it.
And who could also perhaps provide some entertainment?
Go for it.
Could you ask another question?
Next question.
That's what I'm trying to do.
I'm going to let's have two chats that I need to do here real quick.
Hold on one moment.
We have Siri.
What's this going to do?
Siri donated $200.
Hi, I'm Siri.
Hi, Siri.
All right.
Okay.
I'm trying to remember where we kind of left off.
I think really.
I'd ask the question: what is a woman?
I did ask that.
I mean, I don't know if we fully finalized on the conversation.
I was going around.
I would like to hear answers from the remainder of the panel.
So the question is: if we can say men should, what can we say women should?
Well, I don't think it's always practice, but be submissive to the guy.
If he's practicing shiv, shiv, I can't say the word shivrousy.
The woman should be submissive.
Then, if in return, then submissive to the man.
And if he's practicing that, I think for me at least, I try to fill the gap as much as possible.
So, whether that be like cleaning his house or just basically doing whatever I can to like make up for the fact that he's doing all this stuff for me, like opening doors and paying for dinners and stuff like that, I just try to be as nice and as submissive as possible.
Submissive and chastity.
I mean, you should let the man lead and play your role too.
If you want a traditional, traditional way of living, if you believe in that, then you should kind of go by those rules.
Submissive, nurturing, deferring to him on decisions.
No, no, no, that can't be the angle, Nathan.
Oh, sorry.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Nurturing in the family, loyalty, getting pregnant.
Go ahead.
I think if a man is chivalrous, children towards me, and what I can do in return is look my best, be a really focused partner and on their needs, since they're meeting my needs.
And I would also say I can give back, right?
So if they're being chivalrous toward me, I can get them small gifts.
I can create ideas for our own dates.
That way, there's like a back and forth.
I think women should be respectful towards men.
That's what I think.
I know that's not the correct question.
I'm going to answer you all.
Yeah, being respectful towards the man, being respectful towards yourself, helping with cooking as well as cleaning, child care, childbirth if you're in a long-term committed relationship where the family is the goal.
Ideally, that would happen.
Okay.
I tend to agree with some of you.
I think if men should be chivalrous, women should be submissive.
Women should defer to men's leadership.
If women want men to be leaders, women should be followers.
Women should defer to men's leadership.
In addition to that, I think women should be, I think there's a term in the Bible, Andrew, you'll have to help maid, helpmead, what am I?
A helpmate.
Helpmate, I think.
No.
Or am I thinking of something else?
But essentially, The woman should cook, woman should clean, etc., etc.
Just not be vexing.
Yes.
That's it.
Not nagging.
Everything else.
Everything else falls under that.
No.
Vexing.
Not vexing.
What is that word?
Vexatious?
It's like you could associate it maybe with running down or causing trouble, causing havoc, causing problems within his life, basically deferring to herself instead of to him.
That would be vexatious.
So selfish or not thinking about that person.
Yeah, I mean, they're not quite synonyms, like selfishness and vexing.
Vexing would be like a synonym would be more like pain in the ass.
Okay.
That would be more.
Yeah.
All right.
Next topic.
We have, you know what we're going to do?
Hmm.
Yeah, we'll do we'll do this.
Age Gaps and Power Imbalances00:14:37
Marry Jane.
Yes.
That's you.
A disagreement you have with the show is age gap relationships.
Yes.
You're against them for a multitude of reasons.
Why is that?
Because of the natural imbalance that can happen within an age gap relationship for both genders.
Naturally, someone who's much older is going to have more education.
They're going to have more life experience.
They're going to have a bigger income.
And because of that imbalance, there is a higher risk for abuse or manipulation.
That's why I'm against them.
And I will add that I am a child of an age gap relationship.
My father is 19 years older than my mother.
And I have several family members that are in age gap relationships.
And I have seen them negatively be affected by them.
Should your parents get divorced?
Yes.
My mother was 21 when she divorced my father.
Can I ask you a question?
Oh, okay.
Not were they divorced.
Would you recommend that all of your friends who are in age gap relationships get a divorce?
I think it depends per relationship and the amount of age that the gap is.
So for example, if, you know, if it's 10 years you're younger, so let's say you had one that are in a 15-year age gap relationship, a friend, they've been married for five years and they have two kids together.
Would you recommend that they go ahead and get divorced?
If the woman is being any kind of abused or is well, no, she says that she absolutely adores him and he says the same thing and they have kids together and they seem happy.
Should they go?
Then I wouldn't recommend a divorce if they're happy.
Then age gaps themselves are not the problem then.
I would still say it's a problem just because of all of the reasons I listed earlier of like the older person having a power imbalance.
What is the power imbalance?
Like I said, they have more money.
They have more life experience.
It's easier to manipulate the younger person into believing, okay, I'm this perfect like partner that's going to, you know, do all of these things for you.
And then in the end, they're maybe like not paying all the bills.
You're trying to make sure that it can happen in an age similar relationship.
Okay, I can give you a perfect example.
My mother immigrated here with my father at 18, pregnant with me.
My father was the provider.
My father went out and worked.
But a lot of times the lights would go out because he wasn't paying the electric bill.
He was gambling.
My mother, it wasn't until my mother started speaking full English and was able to go get a job that we were able to reliably stay in a home.
What does that have to do with that?
Hold on.
Those things could manifest themselves in an equal age relationship.
Well, that's also culturally informed.
So they were coming from which nation?
Lebanon.
Yeah, so there it's very common.
Our age gap relationships are very common.
Not only very common, but so are incestuous relationships, right?
Also very common.
Get married there.
First cousins.
Yes.
Yes.
The only thing is, is like the idea of having the cultural information, being culturally informed, don't you think that here in the United States, there's a huge distinction between, oh, they're 16, 17, 18 in Iran, and they're marrying a 30-year-old because that's part of how they keep legacies together with their first cousins or whatever and various things like this.
And I live in the United States and can freely choose who I'm with, and I have very different cultural information.
But those kinds of marriages happen here too.
No.
17-year-olds get married.
18-year-olds get married.
I personally know.
I personally know a 19-year-old that got married to a 53-year-old.
Okay.
What's the issue?
And they were constantly boasting their age gap relationship, and they ended up getting divorced.
Yeah, but she ended up getting verbally and emotionally abused.
But let's say they didn't end up getting divorced.
Hang on.
Yeah, control immediately.
But let's say they didn't end up getting divorced, and let's say there was no emotional abuse, and let's say they had two kids, and let's say right now they were still happy.
What was your issue then?
Would you have an issue with it with the age gap?
No, because for me, my issue with the age gap comes with the power imbalance.
So your issue is not with age gaps, it's with power imbalances.
Yes and no, because there's still that maturity level that you reach when you get to a certain age and then experience.
But it's not inherent to the thing, right?
So if anytime I ask you, what's the actual issue with the age gap?
You point to things that have nothing to do with the age gap itself.
So if it's the case that you had an age gap where the power was not imbalanced from your view, then that age gaps.
Right.
Well, but even then, you could have like a 30-year-old shut-in guy who marries a fucking 19-year-old who's traveled with her parents all over the world.
Then the experience seems equally yoked or similarly yoked.
But she's not emotionally mature because her prefrontal cortex has not fully developed.
Then why is she allowed to vote?
That's different than entering a marriage.
Well, it's not the outcome of it.
Because if I can vote on who can vote, or you can vote on who can get married, but you can't get married?
No, I mean, you can get married, but I would think that it would be to a detriment or inappropriate for an 18-year-old to get married to a 30-year-old or a 50-year-old.
Yeah.
Because again, there's not just life experience.
There's education.
There's emotional maturity.
Yeah, but do you see, like, the conflation you're doing here?
An 18-year-old, let's say she gets married to a 31-year-old guy.
That to you, no-go, right?
That's like no-go.
Yes.
Can the 18-year-old, though, override the vote of the 31-year-old guy?
Override?
Yeah, meaning she can nullify his vote by just voting against him.
I wouldn't agree that.
I mean, I would say they both deserve the right to vote.
They both have the right, but she can vote against him, which nullifies his vote.
I guess.
Yeah, so how is she informed enough to do that?
She's informed enough to vote against him for all social issues in society, but it's not informed enough to date him.
Because I think that relationships and voting for a society are two different things.
Yeah, one's way more important, and that would be voting for societal issues, right?
A bunch of people to override each other.
Being in a relationship, this is only two people.
Right, that's right.
Now you're letting an 18-year-old vote in my interests, but at the same time, saying that it would be somehow immoral if somebody my age dated one.
And it's like, wait, what?
That's bizarre.
Not saying that I would.
I'm just pointing out this hypocrisy or not hypocrisy, but contradiction.
You guys aren't coming together as a unit, though.
You're just meshing in society.
Yeah, but the thing is, is like if you can vote against my interest, right?
then we're considering you the same type of adult that I am.
And so if that's the case, if you're being imbued with the power of being the same kind of adult as me, then suddenly this saying that, hey, I'm going to infantilize women or infantilize young men and tell them that they can't do X or shouldn't do X, that seems silly to me.
It's like, are they adults or are they not adults?
They're adults, but they live and they learn.
And if they come across a man that's not a predator, then, you know, that just because he's older doesn't make him a predator.
Him acting like a predator makes him a predator at that point.
But that's true at any age.
My conscience relationships have all these different things.
Yeah, isn't that true at any age?
Like women at 21 marrying dating a 21-year-old should avoid 21-year-old predators.
Target minors.
And at 18, they have that choice to go and date an older man.
And if they do so, there might be consequences.
It might be great.
They might get abused.
There's also predatory 18-year-old OF girls who target lonely men.
Like, so what?
That's lonely.
So what?
That is a way lower number of people.
Predatory men.
Based on what?
No, no.
You said predatory men who are specifically targeting 18-year-olds to date them.
So 18, younger women.
What?
Yeah, you're targeting an 18-year-old to date her.
That makes you predatory.
No, what makes you a predator is if it's not consensual.
At 18, they can consent.
That is their right to do so.
That's my whole point.
They are being consensual relationships.
How do you think?
Yeah, I'm just saying what would make them a predator.
So what would make a 30-year-old guy a predator for wanting to date 18-year-olds then?
Yeah, because they have any experience with dating anymore.
It's easier to get them to do what they want to do.
Go ahead.
So I think Michaela Peterson actually made a tweet about this the other day.
It went pretty viral.
I think it's just cope for older women.
Totally.
Like being jealous of the younger women that are still fertile and desired by older men.
I disagree entirely.
And I've been approached by a 20-year-old that wanted to date me so badly.
Stop.
Let her finish her point.
Okay, I think I lost my train of thought.
But basically, it's not.
That's why we don't want people interrupting.
If you can.
Fertility.
Michaela Peterson.
Well, you're referencing Michaela Peterson.
Yeah, okay, thank you.
So basically, it's not because most of the time that the men are desiring the women for their age, it's because they're desiring the traits of like the typical traits of a woman that age.
Not every younger woman is going to be fertile.
It's more typical.
Okay, being super high.
It's not about fertility.
It's about invisible minds.
It's about liars.
Let me ask you a question.
Do you believe in the idea of biological evolution?
Yes.
Okay.
So the whole idea of evolution is to procreate, right?
It's to reproduce.
That's like the primary edict.
Yes.
So wouldn't attraction be built into that primary edict?
Yes.
Okay.
So what would a man then be looking for the most based on attraction from an evolutionary standpoint to guarantee reproduction?
Childbearing hips, fertile.
Young women.
Wait, young women?
I mean, you.
They don't have you.
You want women their own age with women that are disrespecting them?
No, I'm saying young women, that's predatory sounding as well.
Not everyone wants to reproduce.
Hang on.
Yeah, adult women.
We can't act.
Like when you're always looking for a young, much, we're talking about like much younger.
Yeah, I am talking about that too.
We're not talking about like 15-year-olds.
We're talking about 18.
Which I do consider children.
We're talking about 18.
I know that.
If you're a, there's still differences.
Hang on, help me out here.
If I'm wrong, 20 year old just graduated high school.
Hang on.
If I'm wrong, if I'm wrong, just help me out here.
Just walk through.
15-year-old moments.
Just hang on, hang on.
Just walk through this with me.
Do you believe that evolution is true?
Yes.
Okay.
Is the primary edict of evolution to reproduce?
That's the prime.
Okay.
So is attraction built into reproduction?
You can't reproduce with people.
It's one of the things that we have to do.
And reproduction can also happen without a relationship in marriage.
But we're also talking in the sense of a reproduction.
I'm just talking about attraction.
I'm not even talking about that.
I'm just talking about attraction.
Absent attraction, there's no reproduction.
Well, I'm not talking about us like we're animals, right?
I'm talking about humans.
If you're not attracted to another human, you're not going to reproduce with them.
So you can't be attracted to someone your own age.
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm asking.
I'm just asking you about attraction.
So then, if the primary edict is to reproduce, right?
And it is, then what do you think would be built in evolutionarily to men for who they should be most attracted to if reproduction is the primary edict?
Wouldn't it be younger fertile women?
Yeah, but exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah, but that's just one thing, and there are so many points to it.
Younger, fertile women, okay, so now you're thinking about the mother.
This is the mother of my child.
Is this younger, fertile woman, just going to be your point of your option because she's young and fertile?
No, but it's going to be a primary reason.
Yeah, I agree.
Do you need to consider other things?
Like who she is, her family, whatever.
I agree with you in the point that humans use logic and reason in these various, we have various capabilities.
We're not just root at root, just pure instinct.
But attraction is the primary thing that matters for the beginning of a relationship.
Very difficult for women to date men they're not attracted to, and it's very difficult for men.
They might screw a woman they're not particularly attracted to, but they're probably not going to date a woman that they're not attracted to at all.
So attraction is the primary edict that would even start the idea of reproduction.
So you change it.
So if it's the case, so if it's the case that men from your own perspective would be attracted to younger women, of course they're going to be.
Of course they are.
And of course they're going to pursue that.
That's what they're attracted to.
It's kind of like.
But here I'll give you more evidence.
When you do your makeup or you do hair, you get boob jobs or you do all this various things.
Is that to look older?
Raise your hand.
If any of you have ever done any cosmetic surgeries, makeup, anything so that you look older, raise your hand.
Fucking exactly.
About to look better.
Exactly.
Just not.
Okay, but can I get back to the fact that none of you are doing it to look older?
I was asked by a 20-year-old, he wanted to be with me.
He wanted to do older.
I told him no.
You keep going to anecdotal because your whole argument is, well, it happened to me.
So I'm basing my information off of experience and off of the people around me.
Off of one person's experience.
No, not one person's experience.
Wait, stop really quick.
What were you saying?
What were you saying?
Which one?
When you were whispering to her like literally five seconds ago.
No, I said these are dumb arguments.
What's a dumb argument?
About just the whole age.
One of the last things he just said, basically, the evolutionary part of it.
I'm following her now.
I'm looking older.
Okay.
All right.
Whatever.
Go ahead.
Okay.
So I had a 20-year-old asking me to go on dates.
He wanted to be my submissive.
He wanted to be mine.
He wanted to have sex with me.
I said no because I know that I have more power within the dynamic because of his youth, because of his inexperience, because of the maturity levels.
I could have easily taken advantage of him and said, okay, well, this is going to be how the relationship will be.
These are my expectations of you.
I want you to change this about yourself and that about yourself.
And he would have done so because he wanted me so badly because I'm older.
So what's your question?
Hold on, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
So, okay, you're a dominatrix, is that correct?
Yes.
So you do power play in your relationships.
Power Imbalance Discussion00:15:38
Yes, ethically.
Ethical.
Ethically.
But a 20-year-old can be in a consensual relationship with a 30-year-old.
Your argument is completely self-control.
Yeah, they can be in a consensual relationship, but what I'm trying to say.
Wait, wait, wait, hold on, wait, stop, stop, stop.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, stop, stop, stop.
I believe that a vanilla relation, age-gap relationship, say like a 20-year-old dating a 30-year-old, there's way less power dynamics going on than like a 30-year-old dating a 30-year-old in a fucking dominatrix.
Are you kidding me?
Okay, an age-gap vanilla relationship is going to have way less of power plays than then the fucking dominatrix.
Your whole stop.
Your whole relationship is.
It makes one worse than another.
Stop.
Your whole relationship structure is a complete power play where you hold all the power.
I understand it's consensual, but you'd have to agree that an age gap relationship are also consensual relationships.
So your argument, I understand.
I'm not saying that they're unconsensual.
And what my point is, the point I keep trying to make is, is that there is a natural power imbalance and that the older person within the relationship, regardless if it's vanilla or kinky, there can be manipulation.
There can be the change in the mind.
Don't you step on dudes' balls?
Who the fuck are you to say anything who should just never break this?
Here's what I think.
Hold on.
Also, I want to add, I do not have kinky relationships with every relationship that I have.
That's totally fine, but you do, you are a dominatrix and you do degradation and you do when you're asked to.
However, here's my position on some of this kink stuff.
Now, I think some kink stuff is, you might say that this is kink shaming.
You might say that, you know, well, it's all within the confines of consensual relationships, blah, blah, blah.
I think some of these people who have this proclivity to certain kinks, I think some of them are mentally ill.
So when you talk about consent, that kind of goes out the window.
Like, for example, a man who wants his balls to be like smashed, that I believe is a mental illness.
And I don't think consent can exist when somebody wants that degree of self-harm.
So I think you're being sadistic, not just in a kinky way, but in almost, I think it goes beyond even consent.
I think that's a crazy power dynamic.
And you hold all the cards when you're the dom in that sort of kink relationship.
And so this idea that men can consent to having their balls crushed, I think that that's mental illness.
You're taking advantage of it.
Most of these men pay you to do it.
They're asking.
She's not even asking for it.
Hold on.
Can I respond?
She's not manipulating them.
That's your balls kick.
Can I ask you a question?
Would this go into the realm of criminality?
If a woman consensually asks me to stab her in the pussy, is that me taking their balls?
She's not stabbing their balls.
You have to say, kick me in the pussy then.
Don't make an equal thing.
Yeah, make an equal.
Is there a crushing ball kink?
Yes.
Where with a high heel, you'll crush a man's balls.
Yes.
Yeah.
So I believe this is getting into the realm of harm.
And so basically, do you think a woman could consent to me stabbing her in the vagina?
We're talking about stabbing.
Can she consent to it?
I don't agree with it.
She can consent to that.
Right, yeah.
It's sad.
And you should have medical background to do it in a proper place.
And if she really, really, really wants to do that, then you need to figure out exactly how to do that safely.
Go ahead and do it.
You can respond.
I don't know.
Ask a doctor.
Be really great if they can actually get a lot of people.
Doctor to say it's not safe to stab a woman in the vagina.
Let her respond to that.
You can do things safely.
Why not?
Stop all that.
Okay, so for some people, for some people, receiving pain isn't even necessarily about the pain, right?
It's about relinquishing control and having relief in that, in relinquishing that control to the other person.
And some people can actually transmute pain into pleasure.
So even if we're talking about a guy getting his ball smashed, he might be getting off on that.
Okay, well, hang on.
Yeah, yeah, I get it.
Or even or even have catharsis.
I understand exactly what you're saying.
I have a question for you, though.
How old are you?
I'm 36.
You're 36, okay.
And how long have you been a dominatrix?
I would say for about three and a half, four years.
Okay.
Let's say that you're 26.
You're 26 years old.
Okay.
And you're a dominatrix.
Okay.
Would you take on a client who is 50?
Yes.
What gives you the right to consent to that?
I would say my profession and my education.
Okay.
So you're going to be able to do that.
If we're assuming that I have the same amount of education as you have to do.
So if you have the right to consent to that relationship, why wouldn't another 26-year-old?
I never said that people aren't able to consent to age gap relationships.
I'm just saying that I find them to be inappropriate for the older person to enter a relationship.
But this is my whole point.
Right now, then, if there's a 21-year-old dominatrix who's a friend of yours, are there any?
Yeah.
Okay.
And they have a 45-year-old client who wants to be on the other end of that relationship.
Can that woman consent to him?
Yes.
Okay.
What makes that consent fine, but her consent to date him not fine?
Because when we're coming into a romantic relationship, it has a lot more emotional connections and a lot, and it has a longer, hopefully a long-term relationship versus maybe a, and it's not professional, right?
So like if I'm a professional 21-year-old and I have a 45-year-old enough at 21 to make a determination about professionalism, following guidelines that are professional, I get it.
There is no comparison between a relationship, like a romantic relationship and a.
But the fact that you think that it's that you're emotionally mature enough to make the decision to take on a 50-year-old client as a dominatrix at 21 years old, you're informed and have enough life experience and are smart enough to do that, but are somehow not smart enough to date a man of the same age bracket.
That to me is fucking bizarre.
Because what you're doing is banking.
It doesn't mean that you're not banking on experience.
That man, it means that you don't want to date that man.
That's a client.
It's that simple.
They're a client.
And then if you take interest in an older man and you fall in love with an older man, the same 21-year-old dynamic relates to that relationship.
In this relationship, it's minimal.
Yeah, but you're 21.
You're not reaching all of these.
If you're 21 and you can accept to consent to a dominate, can you, at 21, consent to sleep with a 50-year-old man?
Yes.
You can, yeah.
Can you consent as a prostitute to have sex with him?
Do you see a problem with that?
That is a professional sex professional transaction.
So if they're, so the woman can consent to sleep with him, the woman can consent to sleep with him for money, but the woman can't consent to date.
She can consent.
Of course, she can't consent to dating him.
But would you be against that same woman who you would say should not date this man at that age bracket, sleeping with him for money?
I like age gap relationships, but I see.
But I see all of the implications with them.
I'm not saying I fully agree with you.
So would you?
I don't fucking agree with me.
We actually have to do it.
Back here, at 21 years old, should a 21-year-old prostitute accept a 50-year-old John?
If it's that, that's their profession, yes.
And I do want to add that.
Of course, so they're experienced enough to do that, but not date the same 50-year-old.
This is way different.
This doesn't take much.
Well, the thing is, it's interesting, is like when we're talking about this dynamic, we're not talking about the action itself of doing this.
We're talking about whether or not this woman is informed enough as an adult to make the decision in the first place to do this.
She shouldn't.
And my argument is: if she's not experienced enough to do this, right?
Or if she is experienced enough to do this, then she should be experienced enough to date whoever the fuck she wants.
You're old enough to.
Yeah, exactly.
That's my whole point.
So then you interjected on this, not me towards you.
I see the implication.
Yeah, exactly.
She was saying they're too young and not educated enough to consent to an older man coming on to them or not and building their whole life with them.
Yeah, the reason people have always older men have always dated younger women, and to this day is still true, is that like 30, statistically, 36 is the right age for a man to start getting married because they're starting to make more money and like more money than they've made before.
And they're also like consistent and have the experience and are smart and strong.
And that's like their peak to start making.
But yes, they worked really hard to be 36 and have all this stuff.
And now they want what they want.
And they're able to take care of a woman who can be young and be fertile and have these children for them because they've worked really hard to get these things.
And as a woman, I'm impressed by a man that has both those things: money and experience.
And then I also think, like, if a man is, if you're consent, if you, you know, consenting.
Just a second.
What about guys with vasectomies?
What about?
Yeah, I mean, okay, I get that.
Oh, okay, I get that.
But I'm just saying for traditionally what people want and why they're doing what they're doing to get those that money.
I think now what I'm trying to bring it back to women is women who don't have education and don't have resources to go and educate themselves.
They do exist.
Their majority of the world is mostly poor, okay, and uneducated.
Do you think they don't deserve to have a nice life with a man that takes care of them so that they don't have to double down and work hard or expose themselves?
Or end up being prostitutes?
Shouldn't they be allowed to have the choice of a good man that wants to take care of them?
Hold on, girl.
Let's go back here.
So, just really quick, let me get a check from the whole panel here.
Who's against age gap relationships?
Show of hands.
Who's against age gap relationships?
Because I'm the only one.
Okay.
And then it depends on the length of the gap.
Let's say a 30-year-old dating a 20-year-old.
That's fine.
Okay.
Wait, You have a sex slave, is that correct?
Yes.
What's the age of your sex slave?
I'd say he's like three or four years younger than me.
Hmm.
Okay.
So you're basically saying that the problem with age gap relationships, one of them is emotional clarity and emotional maturity, right?
Or like emotional clarity, right?
Okay.
So you guys believe in post-nut syndrome, right?
Yeah.
Post-nut synthesizer.
Okay, what is that?
Post-nut clarity.
Sorry.
Post-nut syndrome.
Yes.
Post-nut clarity.
Yes.
So I would venture to say that a large portion of the men that are receiving services that are extreme, extreme services from people like dominatrixes and etc. are usually experiencing a form of different chemicals in their brains and different in their brain and different things that are causing emotional disclarity.
What would you say that?
Like, what would be the opposite of clarity?
Confusion.
Sure, sure.
Emotional confusion, where it's like they're not thinking 1,000% clearly.
So how are we not conflating the two where it's like, okay, if this one is abusing the emotional clarity of one person, how is this one not abusing the emotional clarity of the other?
Well, they made the decisions to do those like crazy things before they were feeling all those things.
That was all negotiated way before the scene or built up to that even.
If they're like, this is my goal to get my mind.
I'm saying that.
Yeah, that's their goal.
So like they haven't had that nut from that thing yet.
The power of the male brain with the nut is absolutely insane.
And like just the thought of something happening a week, two weeks, three weeks out will absolutely cloud a man's judgment just because they know that they're going to get this specific satisfaction down the road.
I think that has more to do.
So the thing with kink too, and especially like even getting your balls kicked, doesn't necessarily have to be inherently sexual.
So this doesn't need to relate to that.
I've had a client that loves getting his balls.
He's not in the case of the colour.
And he did not come.
So this has negative decisions.
Most of them don't orgasm during our sessions.
In fact, it's rare that they do.
Wait, absent orgasm or absent climax.
Can people receive sexual stimulation or absent climax?
Like, of course they can.
Yes, stimulation.
It's called edging.
But your argument is, if they don't orgasm, ergo, they...
No, that's not my argument.
I'm just saying that kink is not inherently sexual.
And how is it not?
the words that came out because you can have a kink scene without Yeah, it's just a matter of time.
The words that came out of both of your mouths is, when I do this particular kink, the men don't orgasm, therefore it's not sexual gratification.
So?
What do you mean?
I'm sorry.
I'm confused.
I'm just saying it has nothing to do with the.
I'm confused with the post-nut clarity.
I'm just confused.
So the idea is just this.
Post-nut clarity thing.
I kind of understand.
It doesn't all have to do with their nuts.
Yeah, I understand.
I can reduce it super quick.
She's just saying that men who have not climaxed have different hormones raging in their brain, which can cause them to make decisions they would not make if it was the case that those same hormones are not raging in their brain after sex.
Yeah, so can they climax and then make the decision?
I'm so confused.
Well, no, so she's just saying, how's it not taking advantage of them if it's the case they may make different decisions if they didn't have those chemicals raging?
Like, shouldn't they have to jerk off or something first before they agree to the contract?
Totally.
Before they agree with the contract.
They usually do.
They're usually messaging with us while we go over.
I'm not saying it's a good argument.
I'm just negotiation.
They're usually messaging with us, talking to us.
I'm just saying generally, they are fucking jerking out.
It's not a moment.
And they are.
It's not a message.
Look at that.
I have a TTS coming through.
Thomas donated $200.
Question for the table.
Should a 40-year-old be allowed to purchase 18-year-old content?
If yes, why can't they be in a relationship?
Yes, they should.
That's their choice as long as they're providing table questions.
Watching online content has nothing to do with building a life with someone.
It's a huge difference.
What if you don't want to build a life, you just want to date them for fun?
Is it a bad thing?
Are you still implicating yourself?
Are you still putting these two lives together?
For the woman who's actually against the age gap relationships for you, what would you prefer to see for an 18-year-old woman?
For her to, in her sexual empowerment, to be a sex worker and the men who are procuring her services, say they are in their 30s or 40s or 50s, or for her to be in a loving, monogamous relationship with a man who's 10 or 15 years older than her.
Which of the two would you prefer to see?
Or is less predatory?
I think that the sex worker would be in a less predatory situation, but I don't necessarily believe that all 18-year-olds should be sex workers, right?
That's not what I'm asking.
I know, but that question is kind of unfair to my ideology and like what I believe.
Okay, well, let me rephrase it a different way.
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Let's say that you had a best friend, okay, that you grew up with, and she hits 18, and she's told you her whole life, all she wants to do is be a stay-at-home mom.
That's it.
She wants to start having kids.
The second she can, she's done with high school.
That's her fucking dream, man.
Okay.
You live in a small town, okay?
And she's like, she's coming to you for advice, and she sits down with you and she's like, look, I've looked around, and all the guys who are around my same age, they're all fucking fuckboys.
They're just out there.
They're just out there having sex with everyone.
They don't want to settle down, right?
What a bunch of fuckers.
They don't have any jobs, really, and they have no real prospects.
But Chuck, Chuck over there is 31 and he's handsome and he wants a wife and he wants to give me my babies and he's going to take care of me forever, right?
What do you think?
What would you advise her to do?
Hang on.
Would you advise her to A, fuck your dream, hook up with the fuckboys, right?
Or would you advise her, you know what?
You should probably marry Chuck if that's what your dream is.
I wouldn't advise her to play with the fuckboys.
Of course not.
I don't think that's going to bring her any kind of joy or happiness.
But I wouldn't be encouraging her to get married right away either.
No, but that's what she wants.
That's her dream.
That's all she wants.
If she was my friend, I would advise her, like, date this man for at least a couple years before you get engaged.
So therefore, date older man, much older man.
So therefore age gap.
But again, for me.
So hang on.
So you would advise her to date the much older man, yeah?
Yes.
Okay.
But again, back to my, like, the original reason I am against age gap relationships isn't necessarily in the power, laying the choice and the power of the younger person.
I believe it's the responsibility of the older person to not date somebody inappropriately younger than you.
Yeah, but hang on.
Do you see the problem, though?
If you're giving her the advice to date him, right?
Then you're basically ceding to the fact that the reason she wants to is because he's more powerful, more wise, has more money, is more established, is all of those things that she's looking for in order to have a family at that young of an age.
So if you're advising her to do that, you're ceding that she needs to be in a dynamic where the more powerful guy has all the leverage in order to achieve what she wants.
You gave me two choices.
Yes, that's correct.
If I actually had a choice in the matter, I would advise her to just wait.
I would say wait.
I would say, so crush your dreams.
You're going to crush your best friend's dreams.
Not all men are described as well.
Dating is just in her local area they are.
Oh, that's, but that's not like true to real life.
No, yeah, that's real true to real life.
There's not one.
In the local area, let's say the local area, it's like population 6,000.
And my more mature kind ones were the ones that ended up being closer to me.
Were you in a massive city?
Yeah, probably.
Define massive.
Big urban, a big sprawling urban population somewhere.
Yeah, I love San Diego.
Okay, huge, massive fucking city, San Diego.
So the thing is, If you're talking about population 7,000 town and not just settle, but true, but perhaps you have other responsibilities in your town.
Perhaps mom is sick, or perhaps you don't want to move away from your family.
Perhaps you love the small town life.
You just want to have some babies, right?
Isn't she a loser for wanting those?
Is she some kind of piece of shit for wanting that?
And if she marries this guy and starts having the babies, what the fuck did she do right now?
I think she's at a higher risk of being taken advantage of or manipulated or abused.
That is my main argument.
This is the age gap relationship.
This to me feels backwards because it would seem to me that if she was out partying with the fuckboys, her chances of like getting SA'd, her chances of getting.
I'm not arguing for that either.
I'm not arguing for her to go fuck the fuckboys.
But here's the thing.
If she's dating people around her own age and they're fuckboys, because most people, most men are doing that.
Are you saying right now that most men in their 18 to 20s are not like playing the field a bit?
Yeah, sure.
They're playing the field, but I'm not going to categorize 18 to 25 year olds.
It's fuckboys because there's plenty of men for people that age.
I just have to move on.
I just have to say that's the point.
Guys, really quick, we're going to do a, like a, not an intermission, but I ordered pizza, so I'm going to give pizza to the guests.
And what I'm going to do, though, for this is we're going to do, lower the TTS.
So you guys, while everybody's eating, you know, you guys can send in some roasts if you want, if you want to roast.
The TTS has been temporarily lowered.
It's going to go back up after the pizza break.
I also want to just, you know, allow people to recharge a little bit, have a bit of food, get some food in them.
So we're going to give them pizza.
Just who wants some pizza?
Do you want pizza?
Miss who is leaving the table?
Is it now or no?
Do you want pizza?
Yes, please.
Okay, yes.
I don't want pizza right now.
Is it?
Pizza.
There might be some later.
She wants some.
I'm okay at the moment.
Three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.
Well, sorry, no rummy.
My bad.
Wait, so that was nine?
Was that nine?
I believe that was nine.
Okay, so we'll get the pizza going here.
Guys, so get in a TTS.
I'll be right back.
Andrew, if you want to take it away for a little moment, wait, can I respond to a comment that popped up on the TV?
No.
No?
Okay.
Okay.
Yes.
Go ahead.
So my only other thing to you is about the age gap is if men were only attracted to older, financially stable, educated women, how many people would be on this earth?
And then second of all, who would buy your OnlyFans?
Okay, I think their requirement for attraction.
Okay, again, I'm not advocating for men to like marry older women or something like that.
Again, my main gripe with age gap relationships is when an older person, regardless of their gender, dates somebody, you know, 15 years plus younger than them.
That's my, that's my like gripe with it because there is a natural power imbalance.
And that, and when you get into like a marriage, there can be a lot of abuse, both mentally, emotionally, physically.
I am on a lot of sub.
I'm on, I've been on Reddit for like over 50 years.
Yeah, that's your first problem.
No, but Reddit has a lot of different subreddits, right?
Oh, God.
I'm on subscribers.
Yeah, and they're mostly full of fucking crazy lunatics who make shit up.
Don't go outside.
No, there's actually a lot of a varied amount of people.
There's red pill people, there's liberal people.
There's like nobody else.
And there's people making shit up all the time.
Okay, and a lot of those, and a lot of the made-up stories get called out in the comments because you can kind of, there's tells that you can find when there's made-up stories.
I think we would all like love your point more if your point also included.
You're like Redditor 2384 who's like, hey, I'm speaking on everyone.
It's like Redditor 1846 who's like, hey, the age gap relationships are bad.
She's 21 and she's a sex worker.
She could consent to having a 50-year-old.
She's not inclined.
But we're not talking about a romantic relationship.
We're not emotional.
It's romance.
And or not, professional relationship.
They're still being chivalrous to you.
They're still being men.
You're exposing your body to them.
It doesn't have to be a romantic.
No, you are put.
I'm not saying romantic.
I know your sex work isn't romantic, dude.
What I'm trying to say is you are, regardless, still putting yourself into a vulnerable position in front of these older men.
It doesn't matter that you're a sex worker.
It doesn't make you smarter.
It didn't build your brain.
It didn't turn you 25.
That man is still taking advantage of it.
It does take under these guidelines of age.
No, there's special sex worker pixie dust that they sprinkle on a 22-year-old.
You're better than anyone who's a little bit of a drug sex who is her pixie dust.
The attraction and the complication of that relationship is going from this, zero.
There's like so little complication in a professional interaction like that, which in some cases is zero interaction because they're just buying a video online.
Yeah, but you're missing.
It's not affecting you other than your wallet.
That's the point that you're missing.
Being in a real relationship affects you every sexuality.
Yes, coming back to being a 21 and 45 year old.
Here, I'll show you.
Well, her argument is: at 22, if you're a prostitute, there's not, hang on, there's not sex worker pixie dust that's just sprinkled on you that suddenly makes you super competent in even having chosen to be a sex worker to begin with.
How can you be competent enough to choose what man's penis gets to enter you for money?
But you're not competent to jing on, but you're not competent enough to choose which one can take you out to fucking dinner.
That's insane to me.
That's literally fucking crazy.
It's forming a whole relationship.
It's crazy to trust.
That's a man who's a bad person.
How is that crazy?
Over a land that you would have dated.
Like clients?
We don't trust them.
What's the problem?
We don't trust them.
Good.
They'll say that.
And we get there.
But you guys keep going.
We build trust.
Okay, so it is a relationship.
Does that building a relationship?
And if I build trust in a relationship that turns around and fucked my life up friendship.
I also want to clarify: like, are we because when we're talking about the 21-year-old sex worker and the 45-year-old man, are we talking about a dom?
Are we talking about an only friend?
We're just talking about a guy who's got a check money to sleep with her.
Can I finish my sentence?
Or are we talking about a professional prostitute?
Because those are all very different things.
Let's just say a hooker.
Okay, so the hooker is having what?
One sexual experience with this 45-year-old man and then he leaves.
Oh, no, no, she has routine sexual experiences with him because he really likes it.
You're talking about a regular client.
Random man that you should have trust.
That's spending at least, what, maybe two hours max with her?
And two to three hours a week.
But you're not in control.
Yes.
That control imbalance gets completely swapped.
But you're looking at it backwards.
So, again, let me give you the argument.
The argument is not whether or not this 45-year-old, you're seeing him less than if you were dating him.
The argument is: how are you at 21 or 22?
How do I assume that you have the capacity to let a 45-year-old man come and give you hundreds of dollars to fuck you?
But I don't think you have the capacity to choose to date him.
That is mind-bogglingly.
I'm not saying you don't have the capacity to choose to date him.
Again, I'm going to repeat myself for the fifth time.
It is in the responsibility of the older person, regardless of their gender, to not date somebody inappropriately younger than them.
You keep putting the power back and the choice back into the younger person.
Yes.
But I don't think that it's up to the younger person to be like, oh, am I immature enough to date?
Is there anything wrong with that 45-year-old man fucking that 22-year-old?
That's a professional.
I'm not talking about that professionally, aren't you?
Even if it's a professional thing, is there anything wrong with it?
There might be some shit wrong with you.
There's the emotional thing.
There might be some shit wrong with it.
Yeah, we're not disputing it.
What's wrong with it?
Disputing that.
What is it?
She may not be at that professional level to be making that choice.
So we're back to magical hooker pixie duck.
She's there.
She's there.
You just keep on going back to magical hooker.
And that might implicate her.
And that might cause some shit to go down, but that's also life.
And she will learn from that situation.
I think you can have boundaries in your sex work.
Yeah.
And again, there's nothing.
They can be respected and you can have a lot of stuff.
But there you also have boundaries in relationships.
And people respond to that.
I can at least accept that.
When you say, when you caveat it and say, there could be something wrong with that.
Yeah.
Sure.
I'm always willing to take the caveat that some age gap relationships are going to be bad.
I just want that caveat to extend to all relationships.
It does.
Yeah, exactly.
So there's nothing inherently about the age gap that's bad.
That's the point.
I wasn't against the age gap.
I know.
Which is why I wasn't arguing.
You kept jumping in to argue with me.
No, because there are certain things that I do agree with her point.
I'm just not anti-age gap.
Right.
Like as a whole.
For those reasons, which makes sense.
I mean, not exactly.
I just think that we have a free choice, and whether or not it ends up panning out well for us is another story.
Agreed.
I agree with that.
Cool.
Fuck yeah.
There was never any disagreement on that.
No, yeah.
The disagreement was only on this side.
I do also want to add that as a fem dom, if you're a 21-year-old femdom, it's not like you just decide one day, I'm a pro now.
I'm going to have all these sessions.
No, it's something that you do have to educate yourself on.
You do have to have some experience.
Otherwise, you are potentially putting someone in danger.
Okay, but isn't it the case that that would be the same thing with dating?
That you're going to need experience, and experience over time is going to lead you to making better choices.
Yes.
Okay, which is exactly why I'm against age gap relationships because of the experience.
Yeah, but thing is, is like a 30-year-old man can have as little dating experience as a 22-year-old woman.
True.
So, you know, like, to me, it's so silly because you're not actually saying there's a problem with the age gap.
You just look at other contributing factors which could be present in any relationship and then pointing to it as though in an age gap that's assured.
And that is.
It's not.
It is.
What thing is assured in an age gap no matter what that would not be?
Hang on, hang on, stop, stop.
Okay.
What would be assured in an age gap no matter what that would not be assured by people who are the same exact age in fact who are dating?
What would be assured?
Wait, I'm sorry.
What would be a thing where this person's 15 years older, so it's 100% certain that it will be this way that will not be present in a same age relationship?
Probably income.
Not probably, what will be?
Emotional maturity, income, emotional maturity.
Neither of those things are assured in an age gap relationship, are they?
You naturally have more negative and positive life experiences as an older person that you learn from.
But that doesn't mean you're more experienced.
And so this is the problem, right?
It's like you cannot assure me that in an age gap relationship, those factors will not be there any more than you can assure me they will be there in a same age relationship.
So it's always pointing to if these factors are there, it's bad.
I would just argue back, sure.
But if they're there for same age, it's also bad.
Right?
Sure, but it's worse in an age gap.
Let's maybe involve some other people here.
And only one chat came through, so $500.
Back to $20000:04:37
So we're back to $200.
Freedom to sell sex/slash votes/slash etc.
But force men away from younger women unruined by sex work and feminism.
Thank you, Crusaders.
I appreciate it.
Based raw diet girl helping out with the Chloe chimped out.
Or sorry, roached out.
So we have based raw diet girl helping out.
All right.
Thank you, Just a guy.
I appreciate it for that.
Here, we have some super chats.
I'm going to pull up.
Who wants to?
You know what, Kayla Void?
Let me have you read the read for us.
Okay.
The word gender comes from the Latin to determine by type, specifically those that can give birth and those that can't.
The word woman is simply a what does that say?
Hypenin.
Hypenin.
For an adult female.
It has nothing to do with identity.
All right.
Part RSD.
I very much appreciate your super chat there.
Thank you.
Let me have you read this one too.
I am 35 years old and I match with the girl on Tinder that is 21 and has three and has a three-year-old kid.
So I shouldn't date this woman because of this 14-year age gap.
She can raise a child, but forming a relationship that would be good for it is bad.
Big fan, Andrew, and love you, Anya.
Is that what you say?
Okay.
All right.
Thank you, No Life, for that.
All right.
And we do have, I'll let this one come through as the final one.
Courtney's husband donated $100.
Ms. Courtney.
Shout out to my beautiful wife.
Notice the quiet and respectful one is the only happily married woman at the table.
My girl.
It's so funny.
All right.
Thank you for that message.
Appreciate it.
Guys, we're bumping up the TTS back to 200.
If any trickle in within the next two or three minutes, we will get it.
But TTS has been bumped back up to 200.
Can you read?
Let's have you read this one.
Miss TP.
Oh, she's not at the table.
She's been on her phone for the past 30 minutes.
What's up, guys?
You get to read this one.
Miss TP USA, even though altogether, you're too good to be at the table.
You kept saying Andrew is coming from a religious standpoint.
Why don't you?
Is it because you're proud of your clean divorce?
Did Charlie fire you?
No.
So Charlie did not fire me.
He unfortunately passed away before I left the organization to focus on messaging to Latino conservatives because I speak Spanish.
And so it was an area I really wanted to focus my efforts on.
So that's why I left.
And I don't argue from a religious standpoint because there are people that are listening that aren't religious.
And I'm trying to make my point using logic.
And you can't do that if you are coming from a religious perspective and the other person isn't.
And no, I don't believe I'm too good to be here.
I'm very happy to be here and to have the opportunity to be here with the rest of the girls.
And I do hope that I get invited back like promised.
So, yeah, I'm excited for that.
We're down.
Cheers.
We're down to have you back.
I'll give you props for that because I've been a little sassy tonight.
So good for you.
Good for you.
Yeah.
Some people can't handle it.
All right.
So, no, but I think frustrations, albeit minor aside, I think you and Andrew would actually have a really interesting debate.
We don't disagree on everything.
I stayed pretty quiet on this last bit because I don't disagree.
I think age gap relationships are fine for the most part unless they're too wide.
So yeah, and I, you know, I'm here too because I think the timing lined up so great.
I was in California these last two days for work.
We had an investor summit these last two days and I'm like oh my god who the hell?
Whoa, Nathan, Nathan.
Why did you press that Nathan?
She's in the middle of this really important disclosure to us.
She was here in California Nathan.
Yeah, I love the state.
My producer.
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I hate the state.
My producers.
Love the state.
It's beautiful.
I think it's the most geographically blessed state in the country outside of Hawaii.
And then out of that, maybe South Florida too has some.
We have a TTS coming through.
Oh, no, sorry, that's not a TTS.
It's below the threshold.
Disregard that.
Thank you, though, Paul, for your message.
Josh, thank you for your merch purchase.
Appreciate it.
Thank you, Josh.
Here's what we're going to do.
Quick question.
I heard you say you do outreach to Latino voters.
Is that correct?
Yes.
Were you born in the U.S.?
I was born in the U.S. My parents came from Cuba.
My dad was a political prisoner.
That's why he was able to legally apply for a visa to come to this country.
And he has never been back since because he considers himself a political refugee.
you feel like you have any roots to cuba or not really aside from like the culture heritage but well i grew up in a city called hayalia um which is in hawaii no Oh, no, in Florida.
Hialia.
Yeah, Halia, Florida.
Yes, which is inside of Miami-Dade County, and it's the city with the highest amount of Cubans outside of Cuba anywhere.
So I basically grew up in Cuba with freedom and have always lived in Miami-Dade County.
And I'm pretty proud of it.
Love it.
It's my hometown.
I wouldn't leave, but this is a good spot to visit.
Yeah.
Well, I don't know if this following question would apply to you, but this is a question I've posed to other panels.
Is anybody here, was anybody here not born in the USA?
Okay, where were you born?
I'm from Canada.
A little closer.
I'm from Canada.
Okay, but you're Canadian.
You're visiting here.
Okay, this question would not apply to you then.
Anybody, parents, their parents were immigrated here, born in another country.
Okay.
Cuba, for you, what about you?
Belarus.
Belarus.
Lebanon.
Lebanon.
Okay.
Do you feel roots to Lebanon or not really?
Yes, I do.
Only because I've been there multiple times throughout my childhood and adulthood.
Okay.
So question.
And then I don't know if you have any affinity towards Israel because you are Jewish.
Is that correct?
I am pro-Israel.
Okay, into the mile, please.
I am pro-Israel, yes.
And I'll be there in a few weeks, actually.
Okay, this is a hypothetical question I like to pose somewhat related to this topic.
Hold on, let me pull up the precise wording here because I don't want to mess it up.
Okay, so in a morally neutral, and this is going to be directed just at, I think, two or three of you, in a morally neutral, blame-free hypothetical conflict between the U.S. and the country of your parents' origin, or perhaps to a country in which you have some degree of affinity to, where neither side is right or wrong, to which country is your allegiance.
So in your case, if the United States were to go to war with Israel under the hypothetical scenario that I described, would you feel allegiance to Israel or to the United States?
It depends on the reason for the war.
So it's a morally neutral, blame-free hypothetical conflict.
Okay.
If it was completely morally neutral, I would stand with the United States.
Okay, I see.
And then your Lebanon, same question.
United States and Lebanon are in a morally neutral, blame-free hypothetical conflict.
Which country is your allegiance?
I would stay with the United States.
Okay, and then I guess Belarus for you.
United States.
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Okay, just curious.
Just curious there.
This is below the threshold.
Oh, I'll let it come through because.
69 donated 69.
I accidentally let it stay.
Please describe the dating scene in NM since you're ripping the Z symbol on your arm.
Thank you.
Most of the people that I know in New Mexico usually date from middle school to pretty much death.
My grandparents have been together since middle school.
A lot of my friends got together in middle school that I see getting married now.
And they stick with each other.
Okay.
And then Justin, I do see this.
And I don't know if you recall it since I was late on your previous TTS.
I'll treat this as a read.
Oh, hold on.
Let me pull it back up.
There should always be a power imbalance in a healthy traditional relationship.
The woman submitting to the man as the leader, regardless of any gap in ages.
From base Justin.
Okay.
I would disagree with that.
Okay.
Well, I'm going to try to get some other people involved here, but there's quite a few notes.
I'm going to try to blast through all of it, uh, here pretty quick.
Uh, although for you, I do want to wait, is it for you or is it for, no, it's Mars.
Your pronouns are she, her, it on your Instagram.
What do you mean by it?
It's kind of like a, I'm kind of an it, you know, it's like, I'm a weirdo, like weird little thing, you know?
It's like, I act a little wilder than your average human.
So I don't know.
I've always been not in just like a sexual way.
I've always been kind of a freak, you know.
So it kind of falls under that category of like, because I am a bit of like a freak in nature.
So it describes just fine for me, I guess.
Sure.
So you write that you're neurodivergent and you're living very alternatively.
So you would say most of your relationship stories are unique as you became a professional in your industry over five years ago and you're usually in a relationship.
You said you like turning men into your words, my little bitches is what you say.
So what can you be, I guess, precise?
What does that look like to turn a man into your little bitch?
Well, that would mean that.
That would mean that they're my sub and I am their mistress.
And technically, unless they're not into the degradation thing, I wouldn't call them my little bitch.
But most of them are into degradation and they do come to me so that they can become my little bitch.
Okay.
And I see.
So what are, you know what?
I was going to ask, what are some of the ways?
But I looked at your website and on your website, I'll read some.
And if you want to amend or add anything, we'll do that.
You said your minimum session time is one hour for a tribute of $450.
The suggested session time is 90 minutes for a tribute of $650.
So essentially, that's what they're paying you.
The type of kinks that you offer are electric play, spitting, SPH.
Guys, I don't use my stream deck, my thing much anymore, but I think this is appropriate.
Send the fucking nuke, boys.
Nuke the fucking whatever podcast studio.
Hold on.
I'm also sending an asteroid for good measure.
Holy shit, boys.
There we go.
Holy shit.
In fact, here's just another missile just to fucking top things off.
Okay, so.
Wow, that's fucking okay.
It's a really good video.
Impact play.
Can you just really quickly impact play, like just punching, hitting?
I actually don't.
Well, I mean, I'll like punch their ass.
Like it's a form of like less stingy, more, you know, sometimes they like a one fucking force.
But I impact play is just that like physical domination with you can use toys or your hands or you can kind of do like a wrestling thing.
Yeah, bare-handed spanking.
Humiliation, you do humiliation, degradation, you do pegging, domestic servitude.
So that's like basically the guy just like does chores, cleans your house.
They get the little maid outfit.
Foot and boot worship.
You do feminization, cisification.
So you turn the guy into a sissy.
Fantasy role play, corporal punishment, bondage, temperature, sensory play.
So you'd like run ice on them or something, I guess.
There's a lot of different things with heat.
We do fire candle.
I have a candle company where I make my own all-natural.
Scent play.
What is scent play?
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So scent play is based off of the person's attraction to your natural scents.
Or it could be other scents.
I could be doing scent play with a variety of essential oils or just something to stimulate that in their brain.
But yeah, scent play generally is like my armpits, my feet, my ass.
I want to go home.
You're here.
And then the final thing on the list is cucking.
Okay, so I just wanted to give some explanation there.
In terms, does that fairly represent?
And you do that in relationships too, not just do the I do.
Well, I'm out of a relationship.
Yeah, all these things I did within my relationship.
Do you charge them for it or is it for free?
Do I charge who?
My partner.
Let's say you're dating a guy, but he's not a client.
Do you do, do you engage in that dynamic in your like genuine romantic relationships?
Sometimes, yeah.
When I'm dating a guy, I love a guy who can switch.
That's kind of what I'm looking for.
For someone that I'm dating, water down the wrong.
I just mean switch.
I wouldn't necessarily date, I would not date a full submissive.
I will see them professionally, but I won't date a full submissive.
For me to date you, it needs to be provable that you are able to dominate me.
But that doesn't matter.
So you're Switch.
Okay.
Yeah, exactly.
And they need to be.
All right.
So I'm a Switch, yes.
Is the ideal dynamic for you for a romantic relationship, not just your clients?
He's the Dom and you're the sub or Switch.
Switch.
Okay, sometimes I see.
Okay.
Now, here's where all of this gets a bit confusing.
You wrote in your message to us one of your disagreements with me or the show, you write, I disagree, well, you disagree with the type of shit that you, me, think that women should do for men in the early dating phase.
Right.
I mean, we already sort of like were talking about this when it came to chivalry.
Well, but now it's getting into my expectations.
Nathan, could you crack the door, please?
So what do you disagree about in terms of what I want?
Well, I said that I couldn't get super specific about it because I just, it was just kind of based off of things I've heard on the show via little clips, and I truly don't remember anything by quote.
Well, here, we want to get into some data because we can, yeah.
I can provide.
I'll play the bow video.
Nathan, can you get the bow video?
You never saw the bow video.
So my expectation is I want a woman.
Well, one of my expectations, the first time a girl comes over to my house, not quite yet.
Well, in just a sec.
In just a sec.
I want a woman the first time she comes over to my house, she should do my laundry.
What did you do to deserve that?
What do you mean?
I might be down for that.
I'm the tape.
To be honest, but you're not.
Wait, I'm not propositioning you.
Hold on.
I'm not propositioning you.
I'm explaining what.
No, I'm not.
I know this.
I'm giving you an example of like, oh, I'm not saying you.
I'm saying if someone wanted me to come to their laundry.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If a guy did some guy that did that.
Right, exactly.
Okay.
Yeah.
Depends on what they were doing first.
I may just agree to do that.
Well, I mean, so, I mean, in term, you're asking what the woman gets out of it.
Is that your question?
What the woman gets out of it?
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I'm not just going to bow into your fucking laundry.
So, like, what are, what is the incentive?
That's what I would say to a woman.
I'm interested in dating.
Is this like open to everybody to comment on?
I'll let you in.
I'll let you in in just a moment.
In just a moment.
Let me flesh.
He's really, really nice to her.
Let me flesh out this idea.
We all have different definitions of nice, I would say.
Nice and generous.
Those are all very, they're on a spectrum.
Well, I would say ultimately.
So wait, your question is, what am I doing to deserve that?
Yeah, like, what do you, how are you going to incentivize?
You're asking, I mean, I think you're kind of getting at, like, oh, would I be willing to do that?
What do I think about bowing and doing your laundry the first time?
I don't think too much of it, to be honest, but, and I might be down to do something like that, but I'm not just going to do it.
I have to do it for a reason.
I need to, I need to be, I need to want to do it.
Well, it should be unprompted.
So I shouldn't even have to explain it to a woman.
She should want to do it.
Why the fuck would I owe you that though?
Well, why should men pay for first dates?
Why should men be short for dates?
Because you asked me on a date and I'm going to get all ready and cute for you.
And knowing that you're probably going to want to be a little intimate with me.
Because let's be real.
She gets to be intimate with me.
No, you don't.
No, we don't.
Like, let's be fucking real.
No.
Wait, what do you, what do you mean?
We have a vibrant.
We are so happy with going home to our vibrators or.
That wasn't my argument.
This idea that sex is an equal value exchange.
Just because you're a major.
Why are men watching all of our, why are men paying so much money for it?
It's totally unrealistic.
We're the ones that get to get it.
It's not an equal exchange or else we would be paying.
That's not true.
So sex is an equal value exchange.
And honestly, I think actually women, I mean, it depends exactly what works.
You're the one being penetrated too.
Like, it's, I don't, I don't think there's, it's an equal value exchange.
It is an equal value.
Okay.
If you have sex with me, do you get sex?
Yeah, but we don't value it the same way.
I totally do.
This idea that women are like dislike sex, that's basically your argument.
No, it's not.
No, it's not.
We get.
That's a weird, like, I assume you're sex positive.
That's a really weird take for somebody who's sex positive.
You're not understanding what I'm saying at all.
I actually believe we get different things out of sex and we value it in different ways.
In one example, even if it's purely emotional.
But if it's purely physical, then a lot of women don't like to have sex that's just purely physical.
They get nothing from it.
Oh my God.
You guys just struggle to follow along with what I'm actually trying to communicate here.
So I believe, for example, are you going to say that, well, you know, women climax less than men?
No.
That would actually be a good argument.
I don't think it's a good in her favor or my favorite.
I think that's a biological.
I don't think that women.
However, while that's the case for women complain about women can be women can be multi-orgasmic.
Like some women, I'm not saying all women have this experience.
Women can come like 10 times, 20 times, 30 times.
Without even having sex.
And it's like.
I guess I can.
I get her dripple right now and she could come.
So she doesn't need no man.
Right.
So, but what I'm saying is, it would be like in some instances, like, and I've had this experience with women I've dated.
They can come like 30 times in a row and I get my one.
And it's like, it seems like she's actually deriving more physical pleasure.
She's probably like enjoying it more.
I guess, not to say that I'm not enjoying it, but like I feel like if you're a multi-orgasmic woman, sex is actually just on a purely physical level actually more enjoyable for some women.
And in addition to this, multi-orgasm in men is like exceedingly rare.
And the thing that's more enjoyable for women, I feel like, is linked to like more of the brain than the body.
It's linked to that like emotional connection, is where we get so much of that pleasure from.
And also, you're saying right now, I feel like that the orgasm is the most pleasurable part of sex.
Didn't say that at all, but if you want to say that.
Yeah, but we're counting orgasms and you're saying, oh, well, women have all these orgasms, which also I can only have one to two max.
So then you'd be on equal footing to men.
But it's equal in number of orgasms.
Okay, sure.
I can agree on that.
What?
But that doesn't mean it's equal.
I mean, I would argue even a woman.
I mean, look, it's how do you know without having the experience of being a woman, I guess?
But I do think that even for women who can basically just orgasm once, even that one, I don't know.
Probably someone.
Just a different type of orgasm.
I don't know.
I've also had bad sex and had a bad time and been like, fuck this shit.
I'm just going to make myself orgasm.
So just because I had that orgasm just to like make it like a little better for me doesn't mean that I got what he got out of that experience.
Men can have that same experience where it's like, all right, I'm just, all right, I'm going to bring myself to climb.
Well, in my experience, that's never happened.
So have you ever faked an orgasm?
Um, rarely.
Okay, so do you think the guy would know if you faked?
No.
So how would you know if a guy's been disappointed in his sexual experience with you?
Because of the way that they react and then return back to my DMs or my text messages.
The way that they say, oh my God, this was the best blah, blah, ever.
Like they're not going to like over, they're not going to pretend like they loved it when they didn't.
I'm going to bring it back on the on the rails here, though.
So you disagreed with the type shit that I think women should do for men early in the dating phase.
One of those things is I would like a woman to, first time she comes over to my house, fold my laundry.
Are you going to like make her like a nice meal?
Are you going to like set out?
No, she'll make me a meal.
It's your house.
That's so raunchy.
You're not paying bills or anything.
What do you mean?
I will be paying the bills.
If she likes you, she doesn't even know she likes you yet.
You want her to do your life.
Oh, she likes.
I mean, has that ever happened?
All the time.
Isn't that video AI, though?
Would you?
So, can I finally chime into the conversation here?
Great.
I think that men don't value women higher the more a woman does for them, especially initially in a relationship.
Because the way psychologically that works is not, oh, she's so great for doing this.
It's I'm so great that she's doing all of this for me.
And long term, that doesn't actually work out long term.
You're not actually attracted to that girl.
That's why, again, you said maybe that has happened for you in the past.
And I don't know if you actually seriously dated those girls afterwards or were in a relationship with them afterwards.
But this is just broadly speaking, studies that the more, the more men, the more women do for men, especially initially in a relationship, the less the man just values her.
That's a total, that's a total inversion.
So maybe, so maybe that isn't the case for you.
Well, help me out here because making the declaration that studies say, right, if I said, no, studies say the opposite, it would be rational and reasonable for you to say which studies by what authors.
Sure.
So which studies by what authors?
Sure.
So do you follow Sadia Khan?
You don't like that, huh?
She's not an academic.
No, but she's one of the most followed and did she do an actual scientific study?
Prolific dating coaches, right?
Did she do a scientific study?
Pretty much anybody that is in the dating world understands like this to be the case.
Did she do a scientific study?
It's a way of women to devalue themselves.
What's the thought of that?
I would personally, I would personally feel.
She's a politician.
I would personally feel insulted if somebody asked me something like that, and I would just not pursue that research.
Did the chick do a study?
There's zero recording.
Did she do an actual study, a scientific study?
As in women actually doing things for men and then just a man not committing to it.
That's the majority of the students.
Hold on.
You said studies show this.
I can't.
No, but you cited to Sadia Khan, who my understanding is she has not done any scientific studies.
She has clients and she's one of the most prolific dating coaches.
Wait, wait, didn't she get exposed for like?
So your answer is now, well, I would say so.
So then couldn't Andrew cite to Brian Atlas?
Well, Brian has a one of the most popular and prolific dating castles, have dating clients that have successful relationships.
I talk to wait, wait.
I actually think my insight I can point to male, I can point to the equivalent of male dating coaches, mentor men that then have success, that then have successful relationships with you.
I give a lot of advice.
That's kind of what I do actually.
Actually, it is working for myself.
Fantastic, actually.
Okay, well, that wasn't my argument.
You're above the age of average manager.
But is your profession dating coach?
Great.
Is your profession dating coach?
Because I missed that in your intro.
No, it was not.
That's why I wanted to come on here.
I like that.
So you reference, so you're referencing other dating coaches.
Yes, I like that.
Great.
So then, if I reference a male dating coach, we're on the same equivalent playing field then?
Or has any one of the ones you followed said that it's a good idea for a woman to go to a guy's house and do their laundry for them?
That that's going to help her.
Actually, yes, several.
Several outside of the red pill management.
Oh, shit.
You could talk to Michael Sartain.
You could talk to her.
They say it's a good idea for women to come over to a guy's house the first time to start acting like a housemaid.
If they want to impress him, but my question to you.
What kind of women do you think?
Hang on, hang on.
My question to you is: you said there's studies.
Yes.
Where are they?
What are they called?
You know what?
I wish I had a laptop and phone with me, but that's a rule not to have that.
Well, I'm just asking what they're called.
I don't have that kind of bandwidth.
How about a single author?
I would have to pull it up right here.
Okay, roughly, how long were they?
Say that again.
How roughly how long were they?
How long were what?
The studies.
The studies that you read.
Saying that broadly, this is the known, the known space that if you do this for men, one year degree is a great idea.
Did the studies have a men now?
Oddly, that's not true.
Okay.
That's not true.
How has that worked out?
Has that worked out for anybody?
This is anecdotal.
Have you, have you referenced studies?
Okay, so.
Studies.
How about if I take that back, right?
Okay.
If I take that back and come back with studies another time or when I get my phone, then we can continue this conversation.
But let's say it's.
Did you actually read any studies on this?
Yes, but I'm not a, I don't have a super memory and I don't have a laptop or my phone in front of me.
So it'd be easier to do that if I'm not.
But we can even explore this absent studies.
Sure.
So do you think that in terms of a woman creating developing the affinity, the male affinity towards her, you think it'll be harmful for her to be helpful to him to cook?
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Initially.
So if a woman cooks for a man, that's going to make him like her less.
If it's the first time she's over at his house, yes.
What evidence do you have for this?
But listen, I. Have you fucked women?
I, ew, no.
Do you date women?
No.
Okay, so you have two men here.
No, but can we ask the men?
You know what?
While we asked her.
I personally am very domestic with my boyfriend.
Like, I love cooking for him.
Does he enjoy it?
Yes.
So if you're a Cuban, I'm not sure.
Wait, can I ask you a question?
Had you not had, had you, I'm assuming you didn't do those things quite early on.
Do you think he would have been like, had you done those things, though?
I know you wouldn't have done them, but had you done them, do you think he would have been like, what the fuck is wrong with her?
I don't like her, or do you think he would have the same affinity?
He's a very intelligent man.
So if he brought home a woman that instantly gets to cleaning up the house and cooking everything for him, he'd probably think that there was something wrong with that person.
No, he'd be like, this chick is dope.
Yes, I have a keeper.
I have a keeper.
Free labor, maybe.
That's just a self-defense.
Hold on, stop, stop, stop.
Fuck, man.
Sorry.
If you hear me coming in, be quiet.
Okay.
So it's interesting that you talk about free labor.
You want a guy that pays for the first date?
Do they agree?
Do we agree before going on a date?
Yes.
I don't care if they agree.
Invite me to a date.
But is that what you want?
I want.
To the point that, in fact, I think you disclosed, you make sure you get the affirmative certainty prior to going on the date that they will pay.
That's because it's a checking their character.
That's how important it is.
And if they can't afford a meal, and if it's a problem, same thing with the woman.
So free labor.
It's a problem, then.
Okay, so how much did your boyfriend spend on the first date?
Did he take you to a nice restaurant?
No.
Okay, how much did you do?
How much did he spend?
We had our first date at an IHOP.
So, and it was great.
Okay, how much did he spend?
I don't know.
How much do you think you can spend at an IHOP?
Could be $100.
You'd order the whole menu, right?
He'd order the whole menu, actually.
Advertiser or two.
A meal at McDonald's costs 20 bucks now.
Whatever.
It has to have been less than 40.
You're like that one.
Less than 50 bucks or something, you know.
And we had been talking before that.
Okay, how much does he make per hour?
He doesn't make money per hour.
Well, he's salaried.
Okay, per year.
He earns money and he basically gets donations.
He has a base salary, but he also collects commission from donations that he brings in for his organization.
So yeah, it's a mix of, he's his own thoughts.
What's his organization?
So again, I always keep my private life private.
Which is fair.
So yes, but he has his own organization.
He is a CEO of it and he manages it well.
And so, you know, somebody like him is somebody I respect and look up to.
And how is that material to the conversation at hand?
Well, because, you know, he's a man that I have to look up to the person that I'm dating, right?
Because of their intelligence, because of how they live their lives.
And if they praddle.
Huh?
Praddle.
Say it again.
Praddle.
Praddle?
They're just praddling.
I want to get back to the actual conversation at hand.
Okay, I thought you were asking me about my daughter.
The qualities of your boyfriend are kind of relevant here.
I'm confused why you brought up the copy.
I'm curious why you brought up the fact that he receives donations.
So I'm assuming it's like perhaps a non-profit organization.
I would assume the donations go to the organization, not into his pockets.
I don't know how the fact that he receives donations is relevant to my question as to his income.
If he's salaried or how much he earns the hour, that's why I answered.
It should go.
Well, okay, I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole.
Okay, so do you want to ballpark his yearly income, I guess?
He definitely is, he makes a lot, definitely more than a million dollars a year.
And he does very well for himself, but he earns every single cent.
As in that man is working 12-hour days.
He's usually on the road.
Why does this matter?
Why?
I'm just curious.
Why do you feel the need to share?
Because I truly want to shout him out.
I know he's watching and I want to show him that I'm very proud of what he does.
So shout out, babe.
Love you.
It's just kind of, what's the word for, I guess, irrelevant?
He would have been mad.
He would have been mad in your first date.
You would go into his house, though, and you would put his socks on it.
I think it's relevant that, you know, I am in a happy, healthy relationship, and I want that for more people.
But that's established.
That's why I'm here to tell you guys what I think attracts a man that is high value.
And I think these are the qualities that are a high-value woman.
What do you do for him?
So he can come to me for advice.
But when we're together, I do actually like cook.
I like cooking for him.
Do you guys live together?
No, not yet.
Does he cook for you?
He has cooked breakfast items before, but I'm the better cook.
I'm Latina.
So yeah, it's, again, a balance.
Just because I can cook doesn't mean that he doesn't do it being nice.
You mentioned chivalry.
I sent him flowers, you know, even if it's not a holiday, because you know that most men don't get flowers until the day they die.
Before you ever first.
Who the fuck wants flowers?
Before they don't want fucking flowers.
Let me get this.
Let me get it.
Let me just ask the chat.
Send in a super chat.
Send in a super.
Who the fuck wants flowers?
Nobody wants flowers.
That's a flower question.
If the menu is a lot of fun.
You give them ammo.
Chime in.
Do we like flowers?
No, I don't want fucking flowers.
I want ammo.
I want shit that's cool.
I don't want fucking flowers.
I did buy my boyfriend.
Which does appreciate nature.
I had peace once.
He loved His Vincent.
Back here.
So how many dates would you say you guys went on before you finally started cooking and cleaning?
That's a good question.
Because you do that now, but.
Yeah.
I'd say it was, you know, after a few weeks of hanging out.
So, like, how many, I'm not looking for an exact, but he took you on three dates, four dates, five dates?
When you actually like a person, you don't really quantify the date.
You just try to spend as much time together as you can.
So that's answer the question.
Sometimes we went out for lunch, and if you want to qualify that as a date, then you can.
I'm assuming you paid for it.
Yes.
And sometimes, you know, he comes over and I pay for the groceries and then cook the food.
It's very balanced.
Well, probably not balanced, but I don't like a transactional relationship, you know?
So I'm not counting the money I spend on him when I go grocery shopping.
I don't know if the word is extraneous.
There's a lot of extraneous, sort of irrelevant, unnecessary.
It's a whatever podcast.
We talk about whatever, though.
Weren't you staying?
Like, don't be upset at me by the end of this that we're going late because all this irrelevant, extraneous information has been presented that does not material to the conversation at hand.
So, okay, so before you started cooking, before you did any of that stuff, did he ever, I know your first date was IHOP, low cost.
Did he ever take you to a really nice dinner, really fancy?
Yes, absolutely.
For Christmas, we went to a really, really nice spot, Christmas Eve, actually.
So he has spent a pretty penny for Valentine's Day.
We went to the hard rock at the Hard Rock spa in Florida in like the Fort Lauderdale area.
You love to include irrelevant information.
Well, I think people like to listen to your question.
Who gives a fuck where you asked about expensive dates?
I'm telling you.
Be precise.
Did you want to not know why it is expensive?
I didn't.
Right?
So those are some of the expensive dates.
Okay.
Any other.
Yeah.
So.
You like the tea.
Don't lie.
No, I don't give a fuck.
So, okay.
That tea?
Yeah, it's not even.
The tea is details.
Okay.
So.
Details.
Originally, when I was saying how I want a girl to do my laundry or come over and help me cook, clean, whatever, and ideally that should be just immediate up front.
Right.
You said, well, that's, what did you say?
Unpaid labor or something?
I think that's what you said.
Yeah, that's transactional, unpaid labor.
It's not transactional.
How would it be transactional?
It feels like that, as in, I brought, I paid for a meal, and so when you come home, you do my laundry.
That's a transactional.
When did I. You are the expert in strawmen's.
So in anything, why would you say thank you to that?
That's not.
I like being an expert at debating.
I have been doing it for 12 years.
What is a straw man?
So you're saying you're trying to kind of invalidate my arguments by saying that everything I say is a straw man.
It's a fragmentation.
Yeah, but what is a straw man?
What is a straw man?
And it's not.
It's answer the question.
What is a straw man?
What is a straw man?
As soon as you tell me what I can answer it.
Get the fuck out.
Oh, go on.
Did I just get kicked off?
No, no kickoff.
I'm one Jeb just wondering, though, what is a straw man?
Strawman argument, something that is irrelevant to the argument or the conversation.
I don't know the answers.
No, no, no.
That's not a straw man.
You've been debating for 12 years and you don't know like the number.
Yeah, you don't know the luteal phases or whatever the fuck.
How would that be relevant to a debate?
Are there factual things?
I can't debate because I don't have the exact precise definition of a straw man argument.
Well, no, he's pointing out that it is the case, in fact, that when you're debating, fallacies are the most important aspect of what your opponent is saying or not saying.
So point out one that I've done so far.
The straw man is a fallacy.
Sure.
So to point out one example that I've done so far.
Well, so do you know what the straw man is?
Point out one example.
Because I don't feel like you used any.
Yeah, if you don't know.
So you can't.
Yeah, she doesn't feel like she's.
Hang on, hang on.
How can he know if you haven't used a straw man argument if you don't know what it is?
So explain it.
Yeah, okay, I'll explain it to you.
A straw man is when you take an opponent's position and then you reframe the position to argue against a weaker point they didn't make.
Right.
That's a straw man.
And you just did that to Brian.
What you did was you misrepresented his position and then made an argument against an argument he did not make.
I did not do that at any point.
You literally did.
What would that be?
Okay, so I said, so you said, Brian, you view things in a transactional way in an effort to dismiss my position because I was saying you're trying to argue with you.
Well, so I was saying that, yes, the first time a girl comes over, yes, I want her to, you know, cook and clean and do my laundry.
And then your framing was, Brian, that's transactional because you're saying if you pay for the dinner, then there's an expectation because you pay for the dinner that the woman should do that.
Those words never left my mouth, so that would be the straw man because you're misrepresenting what I said.
I never said that.
But it's not just that.
It's a misrepresentation to argue against a different position.
So you're misrepresenting it to argue against why you don't like transactions, which is fine.
You can argue against why you don't like transactions, but that has nothing to do with the position.
Yes, but my argument is that even if you don't qualify it as a transactional relationship, it factually is.
Well, that's not an argument.
That's not even true.
That's not even an argument.
It factually is.
If you feel like to continue a relationship.
I feel like it's not an argument either.
You need to have this person come over and do free labor on the first time that they visit you.
But you do realize the statement.
So you do realize that this would actually be an entailment of your own position.
So if the position is men should pay on first dates, that requires them to labor to have the resources to pay for the first date ere go.
Oh my God, this is so ridiculous.
No, it's actually the reason for it is if you're looking for a husband and I want to have kids with you.
Your justification helps.
And I want to have a future with them.
If they can't afford a meal, then I know.
Great, wait, wait.
I love this.
So great.
The reason on the first date, you want the man to pay for the first date is as demonstration that he can provide for you.
The reason I want a woman to cook and clean.
And because it shows that they're gender.
Stop.
Stop fucking interrupting, ladies.
It's a character.
Do you have BPD?
Do you have like borderline personality disorder?
Do you?
I don't, but it's interesting that you can't follow the rules.
I've asked you not to interrupt.
I'm in the middle of a sentence and you've got to constantly interrupt.
So again, it's interesting.
So what if my justification for what I want is not to be like a, you know, cracking the whip like a slave master?
It's actually a woman who's willing to do that early on is a demonstration to me that she's going to be a good girlfriend.
She's going to be a good, you know, taking care of the household.
That's something that I value in a relationship.
So it's interesting.
It's a strict though.
It hasn't worked for you.
I don't understand the argument.
No, I value that.
Has somebody done that for you and then you actually dated them afterwards?
Yes.
Really?
So where do you find a woman like that?
Or what kind of a background would it like girls?
Just because you're just because you're a Barbie.
Just because you're a sorority girl Barbie.
A little bit more individualistic.
That's great.
Just because you believe being as you should be as useless as possible to a man for as long as possible early on.
I never said that.
I said early on.
But I don't understand.
You don't know.
But so if I'm telling you.
Is that Strawman?
If I'm telling you.
Here, why don't you define Strawman?
Well, you just said you misrepresent the person's position to then use their argument against them.
You just said that.
That wouldn't be a misrepresentation.
It's not a straw man either.
That would just be like an ad hom or an insult.
It's not ad hominem.
Why are you requiring a man to show you his ad hominem?
It's not actually a homomomy.
You don't know what our definition right here.
Read it.
You totally don't know what it is.
Anyway, you're asking me to ask you to ask yourself.
You're asking the morning.
You're asking a man to show.
I feel so bad.
Let's go.
Hold on.
Get out.
Whoa, holy shit.
Liberates me finish.
You want him to show his character right from the beginning.
If they can't be.
You were like nervous.
If they were saying that you're not even going to be able to do that.
You are attacking people's personalities to avoid the actual topic at hand.
Okay.
Which is an ad hominem.
Who it is.
What's your definition of ad hominem?
Hang on.
Using words and using attributes.
Hang on.
It doesn't even have to be attacking their personality, right?
But here's a personal attack.
But hang on.
Here's the thing.
Well, no, that an insult can be a personal attack, but not an ad hom.
An ad hom is when you're attacking them instead of the argument.
So if I were to say to a person, they said something like, you know, I don't know, the sun rises in the east.
And I said, no, it doesn't because you're a stupid bitch.
That would be an ad hom, right?
That would be an ad hom.
But if I said, you know, yeah, it does rise in the east.
That's true, but it only rises, you know, this I contended with the argument somehow and then ended it with, and you're also a stupid bitch.
That's not an ad hom.
So the ad hom has to be you're only attacking them and not the argument.
But if you're attacking the argument and them at the same time, that's not an ad hominem.
But you have to address it.
Why Men's Preferences Are Questioned00:14:21
So I was saying, you said you wouldn't even call a date with a man if he didn't.
I literally just started with him for the first date, which is totally fine.
I totally understand that.
But you're already telling him, hey, show me your character from the first date.
And your definition is not okay for him to do the character.
You're also doing slippery slips.
Stop.
Let Anya speak, please.
Stop.
Why is it not okay for him to require you to show him your character from the first date if you're requiring it from him?
Yeah, because I am showing my character on the first date or the first visit by, no, by not doing those certain things.
So it is my character to be kind and generous, but it is not my character to be somebody that just does things for no reason.
So that is, I am showing you.
This is solipsism.
This is solipsism.
You would agree that there are women who differ from you?
Yes.
Okay.
So just because it's not your framework, just because it's not the way you move, doesn't mean that other women can't move like this in an effective, and it wouldn't be less or more effective necessarily.
I think, well, that could be your opinion.
I think that that's, I differ in that.
For example, she said that she would be okay with going to your place and cleaning your house the first time she comes over.
So she would.
She, no, I'm just saying, would you date her long-term and consider her for a long-term relationship?
Yes or no, and why?
Outside of being stronger?
I'm not going to go into a specific, but I would.
So, wait, her specifically?
Yeah, because she's a pretty person.
She's very pretty.
And she says, and she would go over to your place to clean, and so she has kind of similar values to you.
Would you consider her for a long-term relationship?
Yes or no, or why?
Hold on, let me make it super simple.
Would I date a woman who comes over to my house the first time and folds my laundry?
The answer is yes.
Okay.
That's my position.
Why are you asking for clarification?
I'm curious as to what the background of those women are like.
What else comes besides just doing your laundry on the first time?
So you think because you don't have an OnlyFans, you don't have to do his laundry.
No, that's basically what you're saying.
No.
If we extrapolate this out, yes.
That's what you're trying to do.
You didn't bring up OnlyFans.
I just don't understand the line of inquiry.
I think I do.
I think I get it.
Do you date does that outside of doing just that?
What is their background?
Do you think that's a good thing?
It's very difficult to find.
I personally don't know of any women in my circle.
You're the first person that I know would do that.
Do you think that women who would do that are lesser women?
Do you think women who would do that are lesser women?
Yes, much, much lesser women.
That's right.
That's why I'm very difficult.
I said lesser as in of the population, not that they are less than, to clarify.
Okay.
Numerically.
Okay.
So are they, do you consider them like beneath you?
No.
I think if that's what they want to do, they can do it.
If that's going to be their character and personality, then, you know, so be it.
$100.
That was not supposed to come in that way.
I'll let it go through, though.
I am curious on what makes a dominatrix.
Is this who you always were, or what do you became Vector?
You mentioned feces.
Reminds me of GG Allen.
We'll have to get back to it.
Yeah, Vector, it's below the threshold.
I'm very sorry, but it did come through.
Why wouldn't you want to show him off the rip that you're somebody that would want to clean for him, cook for him, take care of him, nurture him, and have his children?
Because I reveal that later on.
If you show me your character and you show me that you're generous, I'll show you.
First, I'm not going to impress you.
I'm not going to use that to impress a man.
I'm going to impress the man based on my accomplishments, on my intelligence, on, you know, what can he hold back on?
Yeah, I've dated do care about that a lot, actually.
Okay, what can he hold back on?
I doubt it.
I doubt it.
And then, say it again.
Since you're holding back on all these things, what can he hold back on besides because a rank and a lot of other things?
Or maybe taking you to a more expensive date or gifts to food, then you'll start doing all these things?
No, at all.
I'm saying what you're saying when I do more things and I expect more things and no.
But the ultimate, you know, I'm going to go full wife mode is when I have the wife title.
And I think more women would have to do that.
Why wouldn't he want to wipe you up if you're not going to act like a wife?
Because why would he wife me up?
Because I'm going to activate her.
Because of her accident, she would do all those things to herself.
That shows that she can do those things in their household.
Yeah, right.
There's a reason for it, which is why would he wife me up if I'm already act like a husband and pay for your stuff if he's not a husband yet?
That makes sense.
Say that again?
He's not paying for it.
Why would he pay?
Why would he assume that?
Hang on.
This logically being.
If the idea is, he's not going to wife me up because I'm acting like a wife doing the laundry, doing this, doing the that.
You have 10 years.
Yeah, yeah, hang on.
Hang on.
Hang on.
I don't need the qualifier yet.
I didn't even ask the fucking question.
You see, so anyway, so the thing is, even if it's the case, let's just assume that he's like, you're doing all this stuff.
The case that you're making is, why would he wife me up when he already has a wife?
Yes.
But what would be his actual evidence that you would be doing all of these things for him if you're never doing any of these things for him?
You said I would never.
I said I would show.
Yes, I can cook.
You haven't showed it yet.
So how does he know that?
Let's say we're engaged.
We are talking about the first time.
I'm just talking about over the case of the relationship.
I've been dating for a year.
I think within a year's time, you can know whether a person can cook, can clean, does cook, does clean.
But you're not going to cook or clean for me.
I'm honest.
Is loyal, but I'm not going to cook and clean every single day for him to prove that I am going to be a good cookie.
Do you cook and clean and all that for your boyfriend right now?
No, we live separately.
I do that for myself.
When you go over to his house, do you cook and clean anything?
I have cooked a million dollars.
Do you regularly go over and clean?
No.
Do you regularly go over and do laundry?
Why would she do that?
Why would I go over to his way to be a good boy?
If this guy's a millionaire, sometimes.
Sometimes.
Yeah, I have a question for the guys in the room.
But why if this guy's a millionaire?
Why would she?
She care for herself until they become a unit.
Wait, okay, I want to hear from you again.
Does nesting not typically scare a guy away, though, a lot of the time?
Like what someone calls nesting and like leaving your house, that's different.
No, like nesting, like kind of forcing yourself, I guess, into their environment too quickly on them.
I don't get scared by that.
Is that something that doesn't?
I think that's different.
Maybe the girls can expand on that.
Like kind of almost, like kind of welcoming yourself into like their personal duties a little too quickly.
Would that almost scare a guy away sometimes?
Or you're doing laundry?
I'm way more attracted to this woman because she does nothing that I want her to do.
No, it's terrible.
No, I don't mean it like that.
I just mean like she's like, oh my god, I fucking dislike her more necessarily.
I don't mean argue that I'm not sure.
I more mean like Brian, how could this have happened?
Oh, the terror.
I just mean like imposing too quickly on personal duties in their household.
Yeah, if you like go in and you're like, hey, I brought all my shit and I'm going up to the master bedroom now.
Yeah, sure.
But like, hey, organizing.
Hey, hey, I'm going to make some dinner for us.
And by the way, hang on, hang on, hang on.
And by the way, I did a little bit of laundry.
It's like, oh, my God, you fucking insane.
Well, get the fuck out of here, you crazy broad.
Who the fuck is going to say?
Nobody's going to say that.
I more just meant like just a guy that I've dated that was like freaked out by that.
And I realized like a couple weeks in that he was just not a good guy.
So it's just not the guys that you're that it's called women like me want to look for that are going to be freaked out by that.
This stemmed different attachment styles.
They're describing the whole avoid an attachment style, which is once somebody tries to get closer to you, that actually freaks the person out and then they find it.
Yeah, if it moves if it moves too quickly.
I'm more just meant on the first men and women.
Yeah.
But you're talking about moving, you're talking about moving something too quickly.
I get that.
I get the like, I'm just going to live here now after two weeks.
That's a problem.
Yeah.
But if you're talking about just going and doing basic things like, hey, I'll cook, I'll assist with the cleaning.
I'll do this and that because we're dating.
You know what I mean?
That doesn't seem like you're moving that quickly.
Doing someone's laundry is intimate.
People don't want to argue.
I would say doing someone's laundry is very intimate, actually.
It is.
Okay, but I think what you guys are forgetting here is this.
This fuck is intimate about it.
Your underwear, you're in the middle of the morning.
Put the jeans in the frame.
Put the fucking jeans in there.
Do you have a problem with skid barks?
Like, what the fuck are you talking about?
You have a problem with that now.
Do you want to pull a seed?
You want to like pull it?
No, I don't have a problem, but like.
Well, no, I'm saying you seem like you have skid barks or something.
I don't know.
I'm talking about doing a man's laundry.
But also, yeah, I don't, I wouldn't want a man going through my crusty underwear and washing it.
Well, yeah, it's a lot of fun.
Well, I know men that would be kind of embarrassed about it, too.
They'd grab the render out of my hand.
They'd be like, no, don't get, don't touch that.
And to be fair, since my boyfriend and I aren't living together, he does when he visits, he flies in sometimes.
And so he does do laundry at my place, and we do it together.
We put our stuff together, take it to the thing, come back, and separate you together.
It's so normal.
It's so, you know, go ahead.
This originated from my standard.
Yes.
My position.
My position is this is what I want.
I understand some men don't want that or they don't even care about it.
Some men might even find it objectionable or they might even dislike it.
Sure.
There's no dispute there.
But your contention is with my own, my own experience.
You want to contend with, you almost want to be like Brian.
You don't actually want that.
You don't truly want that.
And that's just ridiculous because I'm presenting to you.
Like, how can I say, how can we have a productive conversation where I'm actually telling you, Brian, what do you like?
And I say, oh, I like chocolate ice cream.
And you're like, nah, motherfucker, you like vanilla ice cream.
Okay, well, I don't know what else to tell you.
Sure.
Like, I don't know what else to tell you.
I can accept it, but, well, I can publicly accept it.
But personally, no, but personally, I don't believe that to be the case because you're, I don't know how old you are.
How old are you?
36.
36, because you're not married.
And usually men at that age are married.
This is an incoming.
It means he would have found a woman by normal.
That would apply to you to her.
That would apply back to her.
So you've done vetting since your stop.
Yes.
No, she.
She was married, divorced.
Oh, my God.
But not married.
Her position is, I'm not married, therefore I'm wrong.
She's not married, therefore she's wrong.
In fact, she's divorced.
Well, it didn't work with the guy you're with.
Your argument is incoherent.
For the same reasons, actually, funny enough, that we're talking about right now.
No, it's a lot.
It's completely fallacious.
There was no, you know, there was no cheating involved or anything.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
But there was a lot of imbalance in household activities and competency.
And, you know, can you do the household activities?
Well, we were two adults.
Do you have autism?
So she wouldn't.
Wait, wait, wait, really quick.
I do not.
I'm autistic.
No.
And I feel like you might be a little autistic, okay?
Nope.
You might be a little bit, you know, social cues, but not against anybody else.
It's completely fallacious.
Like, let me ask, do you like tall men?
I mean, I've dated men that, so my standard is as long as they're as tall as me or taller.
That's.
That's my standard.
And of all the men that you've dated, have they been as tall as you or taller?
Yes.
Whoa, that's, but it's not worked out with fucking any of them.
That must mean it must mean that your stated preference is actually incorrect.
And it actually, it seems like it's counter to what you're actually pushing towards.
Like, it's totally incoherent, this idea, like, oh, well, your stated preference must not actually be, must not be accurate because it would have worked out.
So what I'm talking about here is that this is a generally held position while yours isn't.
Your position of having a woman come over and generally help by who?
And, you know, help or do their laundry on the first time that they come over is not a position held by most men.
Well, most men are happy to just get a little bit of pussy.
However, I actually have some standards.
I have a, I want women to act and behave in a certain amount, a certain way.
So perhaps this is unique to you as a woman to hear because you probably run over and bulldoze all the men you're with.
But yeah, men do actually have standards.
Talking about assumptions.
Well, it seems like you're combating this idea that men are allowed to have preferences, standards, and boundaries because men often, anytime a man says, I want this, here's my preference, here's my boundary, here's my standard, it's always, it's almost always pathologized.
So a woman wants a dominant man, preference.
A woman, a man wants a submissive woman, controlling, predatory, blah, blah, blah.
Anytime a man.
I disagree with that.
I disagree with that.
I think everybody should have their preferences.
I'm just talking about this one single thing, which I find weird, and most people do.
Okay, you find it weird.
That's great.
But I'm not really hearing an actual argument.
The argument is that the person would not value themselves highly to do that kind of stuff on the show.
So you think the women who I would date who would be inclined to do this, they are what?
They aren't as self-assured as there we go.
Lesser than.
Men's Preferences Under Scrutiny00:14:02
New it.
Not less than lesser than.
Yeah, that doesn't mean lesser than.
Are you more self-assured than those women?
No, everyone has strengths and weaknesses.
No, I didn't say selfish.
I said, are you more self-assured than those women?
Than those women.
Than women that come over and do your living.
Yes, are you more self-assured than them?
Yes.
Then they are less self-assured than you?
Not than me.
I think that they're P and not P at the same time.
I'm not trying to come back to myself.
I'm saying that they have less self-assessment.
Can I ask you a question?
Let me ask you a couple of questions.
Then who?
Then women that wouldn't go and do that kind of stuff.
And would you do that?
No way.
I personally would not.
So then they're less self-assured than you.
Yeah.
Sure, if that's it.
So then they're less than you, right?
In that one aspect, that's not less than that.
Polytiny.
The blonde Ephemcom is making a very compelling case for being more unlikable than NSC.
Please don't have her back.
If it weren't for Andrew, this episode would be unwatchable BC Internet.
Unknown Soldier, thank you very much for the teaching.
The ratings are a bit more difficult.
Can I ask you a question?
Do you think those are all for me?
Sure.
Oh, wait, you're sure.
Do you know what I average?
I don't.
Yeah, what do you?
What do you average on your show?
This isn't my.
What do you average on your show?
I don't do.
So what do you average on your show?
Yes, it's a very niche thing.
So nothing?
No, yeah.
Andrew's the bigger draw than that.
Yeah, come on.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
But just by logic, my target is Latino, so that already decreases the U.S. population to the people that I actually mean, what are you talking about?
That's a huge segment of the U.S. population.
But even if I communicated to every single one, and I wish that I did, then I would still never have anything close to what you average.
Yeah, but what she just said is rate and ratings.
Yes.
It's like, no, it has nothing to do with the ratings.
Have nothing to do with you.
I'm not saying ratings.
I'm just saying live viewers.
The live viewers is not because of you.
It's because of me.
I've never said that, by the way.
But I think it's because we're having engaging conversations.
Okay.
I'm going to try to bring it back to the panel here in just a moment.
Final thing for you.
Yes.
Do you have an expectation?
Should a man be trying to think how I want to frame this.
Do you think a man should be a protector?
Define protect from what?
Be willing to sacrifice his life for you to protect you.
Yes, but I would do the same for them.
You won't even do their laundry.
She said on the first date.
Hold on.
Well, they just sometimes after that, I can test this super easily.
You are on a boat that is sinking.
It's just you and your husband.
There's one life preserver.
Now, there are no loopholes for other means of survival.
One of you has to die.
The boat is sinking.
No, no, no.
Not who would probably, who should be, from your perspective, who should take or who should be given the life preserver to survive.
I'm the kind of person that, you know, they would probably off themselves before I tried to, like, both of us go down and try to be on that.
No, but who?
Okay, how about this?
Let me change.
So I would have to go to the next one.
Wait, wait, stop, stop, stop, stop.
Kate Winston and like brought up Jack on top of the door.
Extraneous, irrelevant.
Yeah.
Okay.
And if we both die, then we both die by the time.
Immaterial.
So, okay, I'll change the scenario.
You are an observer.
There's like a drone observing a sinking boat, and you have the live camera feed to it, and you see a married couple on the sinking boat.
There's one life jacket.
Only one person gets to survive.
There are no loopholes.
Who would you judge more harshly for like taking the life jacket?
The man or the woman?
I don't know.
I'd drop the life jacket and let them choose the battle.
I have the perfect question for this, Andrew.
How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
Lighter.
Lighter.
Yeah.
You'd feel lighter.
That's.
Is that an acceptable?
True.
I guess we'll answer it.
Do you know what a hypothetical question is?
Or are you just intentionally being bad faith?
So answer the hypothetical.
The hypothetical.
You would drop the non-existent life preserver that I didn't grant was on the drone?
No, no, no.
Wow, great.
I said drop if they're in the water, right?
That's what I understood.
And did both of you.
Would you remember the part where I said no loopholes?
No, I'm answering it.
If they're both floating in the water and I have a drone to drop the lifeboat, I'm going to drop the drop the drone.
What are you talking about?
She's actually cooked.
What are you fucking talking about?
She's actually fucking cooked.
None of that had anything to do with what he just said.
Yes, actually.
She can't engage with hypothetical.
There's no lifeboat being dropped.
Not lifeboat.
There's no life jacket paint dropped.
None of that.
Were you listening?
Were your ears open when I explained the hypothetical?
You had two, but first one didn't work.
Can I ask the women here?
Sure.
Did y'all get the hypothetical?
Yeah.
Did y'all understand?
Is she wrong about the, like, is she not understanding the hypothetical?
She's adding extra stuff that was never going to be.
And then she's avoiding the question.
I think it might be easier if we did it in Spanish.
Maybe that's more like a test.
I don't know how it's coming off.
Don't date.
Don't de establa biblioteca.
What the fuck?
I think knowing various languages actually levels up your material.
Irrelevance.
Irrelevance.
Okay, just with Sujelli.
Don't, you know, don't hate on it.
But what I understood, so maybe I did misunderstand, is I have a drone that's going to drop a lifeboat on a quadrant.
Oh, dude, you're just ending and they're going to take it for themselves.
Oh my God, how about this?
Oh my God.
Well, because that's the first question.
That's related to the first question you asked: is there's two people in the water.
You're watching a boat.
Wait, wait, wait.
Let me do it differently.
Let me do it differently.
Okay, hold on.
Here we go.
You're on an island and you have a pirate, what is it called?
A spyglass?
A telescope.
Telescope or whatever.
What's it called, though?
The eyeglass.
It's a telescope.
Okay.
And you have no means of intervening in this sinking ship.
There's a boat.
There's one life preserver on the boat.
The water's freezing.
Well, hold on.
Let me get rid of the water's freezing.
Just in the hypothetical, it's granted that only one person can survive.
Only one person can take the life preserver.
Who would you judge, I guess, more harshly for, and it's a married couple.
Who would you judge more harshly as a witness to this?
I don't know because I wouldn't know their background situation.
What if one of them has terminal cancer and so it's better that the husband?
Are you just intentionally being like bad faith?
No, I'm not sure.
Should I answer that?
It's like yes or no.
I'm trying to ask that to other people.
I'm trying to push a point that I believe men have equal.
How are you?
Hang on.
I think that that's fair within the confines of that.
I'll give a different one.
So there's a man and a woman, right?
They're strangers to each other.
They're walking by a burning building, and you're on a CCTV camera.
Who would you judge more harshly if there was kids screaming inside if they didn't run in?
Hang on, hang on.
The kids are inside.
They're screaming.
They're screaming because there's balloons.
I would have happier.
Who would you judge?
Hang on, Who would you judge more harshly for not running into the building and grabbing the kids?
I would probably, if they're, again, I'm not everybody, right?
If they're both adults, they should run in and save the kids.
Okay, one.
One.
Y'all want her to say men so bad.
I know, John.
Yeah, I would say the same men.
And then again, holy shit.
Bro, repeal the 19th.
I finally got one.
Who would say he should nut himself out?
Have you not said that carrying her?
I've never said that.
He nuts at you real quick, and then you carry out because you've got a potential.
You can carry his legacy.
Oh my gosh.
And you said there's a burning fire and kids burning in a building.
There's two adults.
Next question.
You're finally on the dark side.
Why wouldn't the two of them go in and save the kids?
Holy.
That's what me and my partner would do if our kids were in a building or call him a partner.
My boyfriend.
That's fair, but yeah.
What's wrong with partner?
Yeah, what's wrong with partner?
I've never met any other conservative, traditional woman that's like, my partner.
Well, we're not all conservative, traditional women.
She claims to be.
That's the thing.
She's clearly a feminist.
At no point can rambling.
I think your boyfriend's still a partner.
Yeah, they are still a life partner.
Yeah.
Partnerships.
Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.
Was it a hypothetical?
At no point.
I think you're just upset.
You can't get me with a gotcha question.
It's not a gotcha.
Do you know what a hypothetical is to test logic?
Yes, it's not a gotcha.
You're trying to argue that.
Tell me what a gotcha.
Tell me what a gotcha is that I wouldn't sacrifice for my boyfriend, that I wouldn't, you know, lay my life on the line if necessary.
And honestly, I'm the kind of person that would do that.
Would he let me?
No.
But I would.
If your boyfriend was a coward, would you break up with him?
Yes.
If you're a coward, do you think your boyfriend would break up with you?
Yes.
So ridiculous.
You have to.
Oh, my God.
I don't even think it's worth the time explaining it.
I'd like to bring in other people because you're just being bad faith.
No.
He respects me for not being a coward.
What's that quote?
Never argue with stupid people.
They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Yes, you had to read that off your laptop.
Yeah, I googled the quote.
Yeah.
But I don't.
Does it make a quote less true?
True.
I don't think it applies here, but it absolutely applies.
You refuse to engage with a hypothetical.
No, I have.
I just don't engage with it in the way that you want me to.
I have low self-esteem.
I think my boyfriend's a better person than me.
I would let him live and let me die.
But that's on the sense of like, I think he's worth more than me.
You know?
I'm sorry you feel that way.
As for me, if he died for me.
I got to move this shit.
I'm moving it on to something else.
That's crazy.
Okay, here.
Let me get to other people's notes here.
Oh, my goodness.
Crazy.
Okay.
Let's see.
I'm going to go to somebody else's notes here.
Kayla?
Kayla.
All right, let's go to Kayla.
You dated your Discord mod.
Do you want to tell us the quick story there?
A quick version of the story is: I had a Discord server with about 50,000 members, and I had a big staff team.
And I ended up, I made the Discord when I was living in Ohio and Michigan.
And I ended up moving to Florida, and I didn't know anybody there, so I hung out with my Discord mod, and we started dating, and we did it for like a year.
Okay, cool, I guess.
All right.
I'm a bit confused, though.
In some of your photos that you post online, you do wear a cross, but earlier when asked if you're a Christian, you said that you are spiritual and not, you wouldn't take the label of Christian.
Yeah, I wouldn't want to like misrepresent Christianity because I like sell bikini photos and I post bikini photos and stuff, but I would say that that is the religion that aligns the closest to my thought process.
Okay.
All right.
We have Angelique.
Sarah.
Oh.
I mean, I go by Sarah Angelique.
You're a singer?
Yeah.
Okay.
And you wanted to talk about guys that never want anything serious but still want you around for sex?
I mean, yeah, that is true.
I mean, some people date, you know, I mean, my longest relationship for two years, way back when I was a lot younger.
He kind of always wanted other women around, and I would always be like, why?
You know?
So kind of.
Oh, so it wasn't exclusive?
It was exclusive.
But you said he wanted other women around?
Yeah, like my friends and just people to go out with and just so he could look good having other lots of women around him.
Oh.
But he wasn't dating or sleeping with him?
I was dating him, yeah.
No, but he wasn't.
Yeah, but he wasn't with the other women.
But he would want them.
But tell me that he would want them around.
All right, I see.
Going to Ella?
Right.
Ella.
You're a conservative, you're a conservative libertarian.
You grew up as a leftist in California.
So really quick, just if you can, with a quick answer, what did you used to believe and what do you believe now?
Okay, I used to be pro-choice.
Used to be very, and this was all like way, way back in the day.
You know, I was politically oriented at 11 years old, which is a fun thing for a child to be into.
And really into LGBT, whatnots.
And I just generally guess had different values in that sense.
And I was also vegetarian.
I became vegetarian at eight years old after seeing some videos of PETA online.
And I was like, no, the animals.
But now I eat meat every day, usually three times a day.
So, you know, that is a change and a difference.
And yeah, nowadays, I guess I just have different perspectives.
Covid's Impact on Perspectives00:02:56
A lot of that was triggered by COVID.
You know, being a young woman, COVID happened when I was 15, and then I got a lot more exposure.
I listened to the Unabomber Manifesto at 15, and that really got my brain moving.
I'm guessing you're familiar.
I mean, I've seen documentaries on the Unabomber, but I have not read his manifesto, so I'm not aware of the contents.
It's an environmental extremist.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean he was, you could say he was an environmentalist extremist, but he had a lot of views just about society as a whole, about leftism as well, being a lot more racist, being a lot more essentially of bigots.
And he wrote a lot about that.
And also mostly about the Industrial Revolution and its consequences.
So ranging from everything for how the world is the way it is today.
Okay.
You wrote that you were exposed to a lot of LGBT and feminist propaganda, but then yes, during COVID, you woke up.
You did not get vaccinated.
You started learning the truth about the world.
You have a good perspective because you understand both sides of the coin, why women are drawn to sex work and how it harms them.
You've had two boyfriends, both of which have been long-term serious relationships.
The biggest problem with both of them was cowardice.
Your last boyfriend was a World of Warcraft and addict and a porn addict.
Yes.
And because you were unsupportive of this lifestyle, he ended your nearly three-year relationship.
Yeah, I mean, it was an accumulation of quite a few things, but at the end of the day, it was really frustrating to him.
I know that I wanted him to play video games less, and I also didn't want him watching porn.
i mean i think that that's super valid um he played i actually i uh i briefly had a stint with world of warcraft when i was younger and then i played it again like back in 2019.
It is an addicting game, and it's a game you can't just play for an hour.
You typically play it 10 hours a day, you know.
Yeah.
But I stopped playing video games a long time ago.
But I do understand the addictive component of the video game.
But was it the entire course of your relationship?
No, it wasn't the entire course of our relationship.
During the beginning, it was a lot easier.
But the majority of our relationship, he was actually unemployed, and that's when World of Warcraft really took over.
But he was very good at finances because he's a crypto bro and he made enough money.
He was like, you know what, I'm going to retire for a little while and just kind of do my own thing.
Was he a classic Andy or did he play retail World of Warcraft?
Confrontation Escalation00:07:06
I don't know.
Frankly, I didn't really ask him too many questions about it.
Was he hoard or alliance?
Again, I really don't know.
What, you didn't even ask your boyfriend about the video?
Okay.
But he was also a porn addict.
Yeah, men should not watch porn in relationships, totally agree.
Or, I guess, period.
You also said your boyfriend before him, I guess a different boyfriend, grew up without a father, subsequently dealt with a lot of problems.
You broke up with him because you were being cackled and sexually harassed by a group of strangers, and he hid from them, leaving you alone and pretending not to know you so they wouldn't say anything to him.
But can you be specific as to exactly, by the way, just men should not be catcalling or being whatever in the streets, but can you be specific as to exactly what this group of men were doing?
Yes.
So we were at a concert, and I wouldn't say I was, you know, necessarily so scantily glad.
I was wearing a shirt comparable to this and then a skirt that was shorter.
Okay.
And I was at the concert, and I remember we were waiting for the band to get on stage, and I was stretching.
I was like going down to the ground and touching my toes, and then it started.
It was a group of about five guys, two of which were in a wheelchair, interestingly enough.
And they just started hollering all these really vulgar things of sexual acts they wanted me to do to them involving stretching and whatnot.
Okay.
And but did they didn't like grope or touch you?
No, but they were pretty close to me.
I mean, they were about as close to me as you are to me now.
So just very uncomfortable, yeah.
Yeah, very uncomfortable.
And they were saying inappropriate things.
I looked up and I like looked around me, and my boyfriend had just gone into the crowd.
He had gone away, and I asked him about that.
I was like, hey, did you hear that?
Like, you remember when those guys were yelling this crazy stuff?
He was like, oh, yeah.
You know, I had to get out of there.
I didn't want them to yell at me, too.
Wait, question.
And how many guys were doing this?
Were doing the cat calling?
There was about four or five.
And it was just you and your boyfriend?
No, it was me, my boyfriend, and his friend.
Male friend or female friend?
Male.
I see.
And were these guys intimidating at all?
Were they did they appear violent or anything like that?
Not necessarily.
I mean, I remember it made me really uncomfortable, but they were just kind of like hollering from a distance.
They weren't like coming up closer to me.
But naturally, the fact that then what would have been the ideal way in which your boyfriend in that moment could have acted or should have acted?
I think probably just took me from the hand and like led me away from the situation.
Because ultimately, like if you have a bunch of guys that are kind of doing that, you know, they're probably drunk.
You could yell at them like, hey, don't be a dick, but you don't need to like go in and throw some punches because what's that really going to achieve?
Well, I mean, I think your boyfriend was outnumbered.
He should have led you away in this situation.
Confronting them probably would have led to an escalation that, given the numbers, sometimes you got to be pragmatic unless your boyfriend's like a fucking MMA fighter.
But important to know, two were in wheelchairs.
But even then, two were in wheelchairs.
You can push them out.
Oh, two were in wheelchairs.
All my older, yellow one.
Like, unfit gentlemen.
Yeah.
Well, he's a good person.
I know you were around you to back that up as well.
Well, what he did was that was completely wrong.
He should have grabbed your hand, grabbed your arm, led you away, got you out of the situation.
Some people might say, oh, you should probably whoop some ass.
But given the numbers, it's a little risky.
Yeah, the guys deserve a smack in the face, but if the odds are against you, well, that would be an escalation.
I think the best thing is just like extract yourself from the scenario.
Now, say it's one guy and you're the boyfriend and you're doing an assessment, like maybe the guy needs a bit of a smack.
But in any case, I think bare minimum, you got to remove your girl from the situation.
If he did, they would get kicked out, though.
So I don't know.
But this was a big deal for you, though, because you said he was being a coward, essentially.
He walked away from you when it happened.
You lean your head back a little bit.
Me?
Yeah.
And so this is an intro.
We're not going to linger on it too long just for the sake of time, but I do think that there's a sort of asymmetry here when it comes to expectations.
And it's like women do have an expectation that men like to be a coward, you might say, could be.
How do I frame this properly?
Here's how I'd frame it.
Cowardice in men is going to be massively negatively appraised by women.
But like cowardice in women, that's not going to really majorly, like depends exactly what we're talking about.
But in the same situation, like, let's say there's four girls like fucking with me, and my girlfriend kind of is like, is hesitant to like tell them, you know, she either doesn't say shut the fuck up or she kind of like.
I'd be in there screaming.
Well, but it's understandable that they don't.
They're not judged harshly for I wouldn't, yeah, I wouldn't judge a girlfriend if she didn't like protectors.
Start fucking.
Or even if it was like, say there's not a number thing, let's just say it's like one girl talking shit to me and my girlfriend's with me.
I'm not going to like look at my girlfriend and be like, well, aren't you going to go give her a smack in the face?
I'm going to be like, nah, let's just get out of this.
Like, I wouldn't be negatively assessing her for her inaction or lack of action in that situation.
That can be protective in its own way, de-escalation and just like it's not necessarily avoiding, but also like protecting yourself, protecting your energy.
And, you know, fighting violence isn't always the answer, especially if like you're outnumbered.
I agree.
But what we're talking about is there is a bit of an asymmetry here on the specific issue in the sense because it came up earlier when she was talking about cowardice.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like, oh, she would sacrifice for her boyfriend.
Well, even if that's true, even if that is the case, even if the woman would take the bullet for the man, men typically don't have the expectation that women do that thing.
So if you are willing to take the bullet for your boyfriend, I mean, I guess good for him.
That's sort of perhaps honorable in a masculine sort of way, I guess.
Compromising Intimacy and Sleep00:14:58
I would, but I wouldn't want to have sex with him after.
You know what I'm saying?
Well, yeah, you got stolen.
You saved him, so you don't have to.
I'll move off of that.
Fuck whoever you want.
Just for sake of time.
But you are, Ella, you are against porn, modern feminist culture, online dating, and you're also against 50-50 relationships.
Is that correct?
Yes, yeah.
Now, we'll skip those first few, but for the 50-50 relationships, so you're against 50-50 relationships.
Yes, yeah.
So what is a 50-50 relationship?
I think ultimately it comes down to, and we've talked about this a lot today, of kind of like a tit-for-tat relationship of really going down to analyze, okay, you do X for me, I do X for you.
You know, ideally, both people are going to put 100% of their effort and 100% that they can into the relationship.
And, you know, naturally that will look different.
So I might.
Like non-transactional.
Yeah, non-transactional.
You know, in my relationship with my last boyfriend, we lived together and he paid the rent and I did the cooking and the cleaning.
But during part of that time, I also went to massage school.
So there'd be times when I'd go off to school and the house wouldn't necessarily be clean or anything.
And he'd clean for me and help when I got home.
But then, of course, I was practicing massage on him all the time.
So he was getting that kind of benefit.
That's a pretty good deal.
I'm not going to lie.
Yeah.
I mean, it was a good way that worked for both of us where I was cooking the majority of the meals, including the majority of the time.
And he was also paying for the rent and the food and we were living together.
That's nice.
And he definitely would help me out with things.
I also had pretty bad menstruation at the time.
So he was very mindful of that and of learning the four-phase.
He did do his research into that.
But then there's the benefit as well of the things that I would do for him.
I often sewed for him and made things for him.
And then also massages, naturally.
You got a table.
Okay.
I see what you're saying.
Yeah.
I'm curious on this.
This has come up on a recent show.
And we were talking, actually, it was kind of you that said off some of the earlier conversations.
We're talking about being submissive.
As part of this dynamic, if you reject 50-50 relationship, I assume you want the man to take more of a leadership role in the relationship, or it seems you're a bit negotiable on that, it seemed like.
Yeah, because ultimately, you know, I don't want to speak in 100% because I think that there's ultimately things that we both know better about, especially when it comes to children, for example.
Like the mothers naturally, during the early development years, I mean, it's a little bit of both because generally women will be a little too overprotective with the children, and then the fathers are really beneficial because they help expose them to more risks.
But the mothers are also more in tune with how about this scenario.
And I'm going to, this is a question for the whole panel.
This is something that I've tangled with in my own relationship.
So I will actually reveal some details.
Or not even just relationships, but dating.
So it's my preference that I have separate bedrooms with whoever I'm dating.
Now, this, and even if we're not living together, like let's say, well, let's say I'm in a long-distance relationship and my girlfriend comes to visit me for a week.
I prefer to sleep in my own space, my bedroom, and I have a guest room for her.
It's not like, okay, go sleep in the tent outside.
She's got a cozy little space.
She's got her own place.
Some women, not a problem at all.
Yes, Brian, totally fine, not an issue.
Other women have given me substantial pushback on this.
Substantial pushback.
They nag, they argue, they throw a hissy fit.
They crash out.
They get upset.
They nag.
So I'm curious to you guys.
I'm sure some of you guys maybe want a guy to be a leader in a relationship.
So I would believe submission in this example would be it's okay for women to perhaps be to want something and to perhaps be frustrated if they don't get it.
I understand most women probably want to share a bed with the same guy, although some women actually enjoy this preference too.
But I think that if, even if it's something that you want and your boyfriend or me in this case says, no, it's not going to be that way, internally you might be like, ah, a bit let down.
But I think a woman's duty in terms of obeying and being submissive is to regulate her response to that and not crash out and be vexatious and contentious and nagging and really upset by it and hurt.
And I think ideally, there is no compromise on this.
I think you're valid to have that position.
Let me just finish the point here.
Let me just finish the point.
And so I think this is how the conversation should go.
It should go, by the way, I vet for this before you date.
I asked the girls.
And they agree.
Yes.
Some girls are like, well, I do like it, but I'll acquiesce to you.
And acquiesce is a key word I want to use here when it comes to the submissive dynamic.
I believe that at least with this, and really, frankly, all things, most things anyways, I believe the woman ought to and should acquiesce to the man.
And in this case, on this specific topic, do you guys, I guess, what do you think, should the woman acquiesce to me?
Yeah, if that's a main thing.
Let me start with you and we'll go around the table.
Yeah, I actually do have personal experience with that because we lived together in two houses.
One of them was a very small one-bedroom.
We later moved into a two-bedroom together and we actually did have separate bedrooms, which was his idea.
And at first, I wasn't a big fan of it because I really liked going to bed together.
But ultimately, then it ended up working out.
And I liked kind of having my own space.
And then every night before I'd go to bed, I'd tell him, okay, I'm going to bed.
And he'd come and tuck me in, be all nice, and all of that.
And that was able to make.
He tucks you in?
Yeah, because he'd go to bed before me.
Oh, okay, okay.
That's no, I would go to bed.
The girl needs to do the tucking, okay?
The girl's got to do the talking.
I mean, I'd go to bed at like 10 p.m.
He's up till 2 a.m.
So then he'd go into the room.
That makes sense.
And, you know, I'd have the blanket on and all of that.
And he'd say, okay, good night.
Sleep well.
You know, very nice.
And it ended up working out pretty well for us.
Okay.
All right.
What do you guys think?
I prefer to like sleep in bed with somebody.
But if it was like an everynight scenario, like you could never cuddle me to bed and sleep with me next to me, like that kind of, I don't like that.
Like I've never experienced that on an everyday basis.
But I've been in a two-bedroom hotel with my boyfriend before and they would be like, or he was like, he had said, oh, I'm not comfortable right now.
He was squirming and everything.
He goes, I just want to go sleep over here.
And I just was like, oh, okay.
And then any pushback on that?
No, because I was too tired.
Also, like, we're on vacation.
I don't want to fight with him.
But no, I don't think it's a fightable scenario.
Now, if he was like, I'll never sleep in bed with you.
I'm not going to fight you on that.
I'm just not going to be with you.
Are you married?
No, absolutely not.
But I am.
You're in a relationship?
I'm in a relationship.
For how long again?
Not very long.
Six months, Susan?
It's been on and off.
I've never been in a very healthy, strong relationship in my life.
So obviously, I'm not.
But do you, do you guys live together currently?
No.
Okay.
No, we both live with our parents, actually.
We're both very take care of our parents sort of people.
Oh, I'm just trying to understand the context for the sleepovers and I guess.
We were specifically at a hotel.
No, normally when I sleep over at his house, we do sleep together in the same bed.
Well, that might just be Alex.
But does he have a guest room?
Because if you have a one-bedroom, if you have a one-bedroom apartment, then he's poor, right?
Okay.
Well, no, what I'm trying to say is, like, just practically speaking, if there's no other place for the woman to sleep.
But I mean, let's say you guys, he moved and he got a two-bedroom apartment and the other one was a guest room, and your boyfriend or whatever was like, hey, can you go sleep in the guest room?
Would you give him pushback?
I guess it just depends how often he did it.
Every night.
If he did it every night, I guess I just really wouldn't, I just wouldn't like that.
I've never been in a scenario like that, but I really don't like that.
Well, I understand you don't like it, but if like that determination has been made, either it, I mean, you can.
I had my own room, my own autonomy, my own stuff.
I mean, yes, I would like that.
I really, I guess I really wouldn't have a big problem with it.
I would feel a little less close at night, but if we at least cuddled before bed, then I had my own space in bed.
I couldn't completely, I wouldn't argue with it.
It sounds actually accommodating.
Okay, what about you?
Well, I mean, I kind of already do this half the time with my husband because he works offshore, but we're not in the same house for two weeks.
So I think.
Well, assuming a situation where he's like, I guess it would just depend on.
I mean, I don't think that's a make, it would, I don't think it would be a deal breaker for me per se.
And, but that would, it would definitely be conversation to see if a conversation because, you know, even though I'm, what is that word that you use To submit to him, yeah.
So you use another word, but whatever.
Yeah, acquiesce.
Um, even though I'm willing to acquiesce with him as his wife, um, in our in our household, I still, you know, like I still would want to have that conversation and be like, is there a reason why?
You know, what is the reason?
Because just like he needs security, I also need security, and that would be something that would probably make me feel a little insecure.
But if I could understand the mechanism behind it, I could probably go with it.
Now, if it was something that's like, oh, you snore or something, or I don't like you, I don't like sleeping next to you.
I might, I might have like, I'm not going to push back.
I'll explain that.
So here would be the scenario.
Yes, sleeping in the same bed together can be like an extra, like one, two, three percent intimacy, however you want to put a number to it.
But his position would be he gets better sleep quality sleeping in his own room.
It could be, say, he, it's harder for him to sleep in the same room as somebody.
Let's just say that's the hypothetical.
And so he explains that to you.
Is any further, because you said I'd like to have a conversation.
Yeah.
Is any further conversation needed?
No, not really.
Okay, so would you just immediately accept it?
I mean, I would probably feel some type of way, but I would process it.
Typically, if we have a conversation and I feel emotional, I sleep on it.
And then if I'm still emotional about it in the morning, I usually can articulate why I was upset about something.
Okay.
So it just depends.
I'll continue around the table, but let me, I guess, add a little more information here.
So at least my own take on this is that my sleep quality supersedes the woman's desire for like plus 1% intimacy or whatever.
So essentially, like, you know, plus 5% luck, plus 5% intimacy.
So yeah, my sleep quality completely supersedes the woman's desire for that specific form of intimacy.
To be clear, don't mischaracterize my position.
That's not to say that intimacy is not important.
It doesn't matter.
And that all intimacy is relevant.
I'm saying that particular form of intimacy, the woman's desire in this situation, I think does not supersede my desire for getting a restful, good night's sleep so that I can be the one to continue providing as I am.
I mean, I don't disagree with that.
I don't think that's fair.
And look, you know, I'm not a total monster.
Anniversary, Valentine's Day, I'll allow it.
I'll allow it.
Unless you really need your sleep that night.
True.
True.
If I, even her birthday, if I really need my, like if her birthday falls like the night before a show, to the guest room she goes.
To the guest room she goes.
I don't care if it's a birthday.
I got to work.
I got something going on, you know.
So, but I'm not a total monster.
You know, I'm a nice guy like that.
What can I say?
All right, what do you think?
I think that it's that you have the right to ask for those things if it's your home, right?
Sure.
Personally, for me, I think I would prefer to come to a compromise of maybe one night a week that we spend in bed together.
But if I had a partner that I lived with and they were like, nope, I need my own space.
I need my own bedroom, then I would acquiesce to them.
Where's Kayla?
Is Kayla here?
maybe bathroom i think she might have She had her bag on, but.
Oh.
Okay.
Well, all right.
I wanted to get to some stuff with her, but okay.
Here, quick answers, guys.
Okay, so we never have like sleepovers ever.
Like, like a once-in-a-while sleepover.
Well, she can hear your breakfast.
Wait, wait.
She sleeps over at my house, but she can have a gift.
No, no, I'm saying, like, sleepovers in each other's bedrooms.
It's not my preference.
Okay, the only thing that would really keep me away from it is security.
So for me, like, one of my favorite things about sleeping in the same room as a man is firearms.
So knowing that if somebody breaks in, like, he's got that handle because I sleep on a fucking rock.
Sleeping Arrangements Discussed00:02:42
Yeah, I mean, that's actually compelling.
So if you could.
So all I asked to do is take the room closest to the door.
Yes, exactly.
And my room would have to be like far away from any windows that are like close to the street.
A pre-sanity system.
That's perfect.
That's totally perfect.
So as long as you can secure the house.
I've seen both sides of it.
So my grandparents, both sides, one's going on 71 years and the other is going on 67.
But one side sleeps in separate bedrooms.
They decided to do that.
And then the other side sleeps together, obviously.
And I think my personal preference would be, you know, understanding what the man wants, if he prefers that or not.
And I am a person that might be a little bit more needy.
So we have a.
Here, let's do this.
Can I have you three shift down?
And then like all of us?
Yeah, I mean, she's gone.
So go ahead.
I've actually been in a relationship like this where it was my idea that we had different bedrooms and it was solely because I am a very like OCD person and I'd like my stuff to stay in a neat order and I thought it was better that he just was messy in his own space and it did end up leading into us sleeping in different spots.
Apparently I also snore so I mean it probably benefited him.
So I don't mind at all and I would, I mean, I think it was me that proposed the idea, not him.
So I think that it is a personal preference and I hope it's something you discuss before you know getting into a serious relationship and if they're okay with it then cool and if they're not then you probably shouldn't be in a relationship with someone you're not compatible with period.
I think that it's valid to want that, especially if you're discussing it prior to the relationship, giving them that option to move forward with you, knowing that I have done the dynamic before but we also still slept together.
But I also like my space.
I like laying out like a starfish when I sleep sometimes, but I think I would still want like some nights together.
Otherwise I don't think I could be with someone like that.
Okay, with Bayonne.
Yeah honestly same, same exact thing.
I totally would not mind separate rooms.
In fact, for my future, when I do live with a male, I am definitely going to want us to have separate rooms, but sleeping together.
I would not be okay with separate sleeping every single night.
I would need some sort of um, a um like cooperation.
Rate Yourself Confidently00:14:57
What am I thinking of?
Um sorry, God remind you I can't do that compromise.
Yes me, yep.
You women need to read a book called, a book titled A Child Called It, by Dave Pelzer, an autobiography of the author being abused by his alcoholic single mother, including being stabbed and eating vomit just to survive while sleeping on an army cot in the basement doing house chores.
I have also read that.
Thank you for that.
I have also read it.
This one, please.
Lady, your confidence far exceeds your competence.
Shame you.
Share me.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Appreciate you.
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Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
Drop us a follow.
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We don't do pre-rolls over there on Twitch.
Crazy.
Can you pull it up?
You know, we got a pretty high effort that goes into the production of this.
It's expensive to run this operation.
You know, again, I'm not just like some dude playing video games like a lot of these streamers on Twitch.
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I appreciate it, guys.
We have a question here, but I'm not able to pull it up.
So the question is: on a scale of zero to 10, what do you rate your looks?
And let's do face, body, total, starting with you.
So not an overall.
This is separate ratings.
So you're saying just physical.
Yeah, zero to 10, your physical looks, rate your face, rate body, and then like your total rating.
So don't, when I say total, I don't mean add your face rating and your body rating so you get like 20.
I understand.
I just mean like what you average.
Yes.
Sort of.
Okay, go ahead.
That's yours.
Okay.
I would rate my face a 9.99, my body a 9.99.
Overall, a 9.99 because perfection is impossible.
There's always room for improvement.
But as far as like as perfect as you can get without being perfect, you definitely fall on that threshold.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, God did make me look this way, and he makes no mistakes, right?
Are you religious?
God.
Are you religious?
I am Jewish and I follow Judaism.
I'm a reformer Jewish lady.
10.
Well, face, body, total.
Yes.
So it would look something like this.
Face 10, body, 10, total 10.
Yes.
Not just yes.
Can you say it in your own words?
Face 10.
Body 10.
Total 10.
I don't like to rate people on their looks personally.
And the only person I care about, you know, who cares about my rating would be my boyfriend.
That's basically it.
Well, I get that you don't like to rate people on their looks, but I'm asking you to rate yourself.
Well, there's no such thing as a 10, in my opinion, because nobody is perfect.
And I think that, you know, if somebody likes a bleached blonde Latina, then they might find me a nine.
No, but what do you think?
If somebody that doesn't might call me a four or whatever.
What do you think of yourself?
I think highly of myself, but I don't want to give an exact rating.
Maybe you can go around and rate people afterwards.
Oh, yeah, that's fine.
Do you can I throw out a guess?
Do you think you're a 10?
I don't believe I'm perfect, absolutely.
Do you think you're how about this?
Do you think you're a nine?
It depends.
My boyfriend definitely does.
She actually thinks I'm a 10.
Yourself, like in the mirror, what do you think you are?
I don't know.
It depends on a preference.
I really, you know, your preference.
I really get mixed reviews.
You're laughing.
Your review of you.
I think I am above average attractive for sure.
Based on five.
So between five and ten.
All right.
Sure.
Yeah, between five and ten.
All right.
What about you?
Eight face, eight, body, eight overall.
Maybe less tattoos of you.
Be either speak closer to the mic or project your voice.
Sorry.
Eight face, eight body, overall, eight.
8.5 face, maybe seven.
Can I choose seven?
Seven, six.
Body, and then overall eight.
Wait, I am so fucking sorry.
Hold on.
Wait, wait, wait.
I needed to write it down.
Fuck.
Okay, 9.999, 999, 10, 10.
This is a refuse.
You said, can you repeat?
8 face, 8 body, 8 overall, I guess.
Okay.
What about you?
8.5 face and then can you choose 7?
Is that possible?
I'll accept it for now.
Okay, 7 body and then 8 overall.
Total.
Okay, Anya?
5 face, 4 body, so like 4 and a half.
Okay.
You underrate yourself, Fladoka.
I would say 9 face, 8 body, 8 overall.
Sorry, repeat that?
9 for my face, 8 for my body, 8 overall.
Okay.
What about you?
I would say 4 for my face, a 3 for my body, and maybe like, I guess, a 3.5 overall.
Okay, what about you?
Breath.
Do we need the breath?
Okay.
Not allowed to breathe.
It's about to be my turn to do.
Oh my God.
I need to quit this.
Okay, go ahead.
I think like my body's more of like a six, even though it's like got what's the word?
It's got promise if I really put my mind to it, but no.
I don't get genetics, but am I using them?
All right, so I'm like six body.
Let's go there.
And then let's go with like give myself a seven for my face.
An overall seven.
Nice.
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm not a big fan of this question, so I'm not going to answer it.
I think I'm attracted enough.
Be a good sport.
Come on.
I don't know.
I mean, I think I'm attractive enough, and it really depends on the day when you look at yourself, you know?
Most days, if you averaged how you viewed yourself, I don't know.
I just don't want to answer the question.
I think I'm attractive enough.
We all knew we'd be asked.
That's an omit.
Okay.
All right.
I'll accept it for now.
For now.
Andrew, do you rate yourself?
10-phase, 10-body.
10.
That's what we can say.
100% of 10.
All right.
I give myself 4.5, 4.5, 4.5.
I don't know why.
Why is anybody laughing?
What?
What the fuck?
I'm just in the middle of the day.
Wait, are you saying that I have a much higher opinion of myself than is actually true?
We enjoy your confidence as well, though.
Yeah, we enjoy it too.
Wow, I've managed to, once again, I don't know how to do this.
It's the Avengers of Supermodels, I guess.
We got 9.99, a 10.
This was a refuse.
8, 8.5, 9.
So, wow, we have a 10, an 8, an 8, a 9.
But can we be serious too?
The omits.
Thought they were tense, right?
No, you're not at least conservatives on the show are going to act and they're going to respond conservatively.
There's nothing that precludes a conservative woman from having an assessment or ranking of her own attractiveness.
It's not incompatible with conservatism.
That's a personal opinion.
I think that's a good idea.
How would it be?
Yeah, what would actually make that incompatible?
Well, I think that's about acting like a lady and rating my.
I've never in my life, I'm 32 years old, have never rated my body in front of people, and I don't feel like I need to do that.
But how would that make you less of a lady?
I don't understand how that makes you less of a lady.
I watched the show enough to know this was coming out.
Can you tilt your mic down there?
Like tilt it down.
I agree.
Conservatism is a political ideology.
It's a cultural ideology, too.
What's that?
Conservative.
But you're not even trad.
So your version of conservative is equal to trad, but most women that call themselves conservative are not trad, your definition of it.
So that's what I'm saying.
You know, I think it's, I think, well, then how is it cultural?
I don't care.
What's the cultural aspect of that?
I think it's disrespectful to just respect her opinion and to pass.
Yeah, it's fine to understand the omission thing.
I get that.
I understand.
I just don't understand how it makes you less conservative to give an assessment.
My personal opinion.
To give an assessment of what you think your face looks like or what you think your body looks like to the general public.
Because I think my value is focused elsewhere.
That's why.
What does that mean?
I don't even know what the fuck that means.
I think my value doesn't come from my looks.
It comes from how I carry myself, my personality.
Saying anything, but I don't understand.
How do we get to the loaded aspect of your self-worth is tied in, or somehow you're less valuable because it's the case that you rate yourself higher or lower on your looks.
It's just not something I do, period.
Yeah, I know, but I get that, but I don't understand how that would devalue you at all.
I didn't say it.
It's just something I don't personally do.
No, no, I mean, you did say that, though.
You said, I think there's better things or something like this or something.
I'm not on, yes, that I judge myself on, that I actually attribute value to myself on.
Yes, there are plenty of things.
Well, I mean, but you don't wake up in the morning and put on a bunch of makeup on your personality.
You put it on your face, right?
That's on every single day.
That's why it's an accurate assessment to give myself a rating on my personality instead of my looks.
Yeah, right, right.
You're right.
If you couldn't assess your looks, you wouldn't put makeup on your face because otherwise you wouldn't know how to enhance it, right?
Say that again.
Why would you ever use makeup on your face unless you were using it to enhance features about your face that you liked?
Because I feel like it makes me look better, feel better.
So it enhances the features that you like and that you think appear good to other people.
So you are making those value judgments every day.
Yes, for myself.
And that's all we're asking is for the value judgment of yourself.
Okay, but that's fine, but then don't pretend you don't make the value judgments because that's what you were doing.
You were pretending I don't make those value judgments.
That's not when you clearly make the value judgments every single day.
That's not what I normally value myself overall.
Can I wake up looking in the mirror every day?
Nobody said it was.
Did anybody ever say that the overarching way that you value yourself is only in physical appearance?
Of course.
No.
So all we're asking was how you value yourself in physical appearance.
You said, well, I just don't do that.
And then we figured out you do actually do that every single day.
Yeah, it depends how, you know, the clothes I want to wear that day and the makeup I want to do that day, depending on the occasion, if it's more casual of a day, if I'm doing well, my assumption is like you don't wake up in the morning, go over and grab lipstick and just smear it all over your forehead and all over your neck and then walk outside to the grocery store like that, right?
No, no, no.
No, so you like use it to enhance features that you have, right?
She also dyed her hair a whole different color.
Yeah, I'm naturally brunetting.
Like, yeah, right.
Dark.
What's that choice for?
Likely to enhance characteristics about yourself.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yes.
That's all the question's asking.
Absolutely.
You know, I think everybody does that.
I think men do that with a beard.
If most men shave their beard.
But that's not in question.
That's literally not.
I agree 100%.
Do you like your beard because it enhances your looks?
Definitely do very, well, no, I have a beard because I'm just fucking lazy.
But the point is, is like.
Do you think it would?
It does enhance your looks or it doesn't?
I don't know.
Well, so you don't want to talk about it.
Well, I actually just don't know the answer to that.
I don't know if it enhances my looks or not.
Probably.
Men are probably in that.
But the thing is, is like that aside, that literally is not in dispute that I look in the mirror and give myself an assessment of my appearance and then change the appearance based on the assessment for the thing I want.
Like, oh, I'm doing a big interview.
Probably not going to not comb the hair and put on like nice clothes, right?
Yeah.
So I can make those value judgments.
Yes, correct.
Yeah.
So that's all we're asking for.
That's my personal opinion.
Well, the one to 10 scale is just saying you're taking what you generally see in society and then you're applying it against what you think you look like in comparison to that.
I understand the concept.
Yeah, so I don't know why that's not conservative, though.
I don't want to participate in that.
That's fine.
You don't have to participate.
I just, you know, when you say, I just don't judge myself on that, that's where I'm like, yes, you do.
Yeah.
Most people judge how they look and when they go out the door or whatever.
You know what?
I forgot to say this.
Why is it that average women just average-looking women just don't view themselves as average?
Why is that?
What is an average woman?
Well, here, we can explain.
What do you mean, just average-looking?
I think the average woman is average.
I think average women rate themselves maybe a little bit higher because they want to practice self-confidence and have self-worth.
You can be confident and be able to.
Body Count Deception00:14:39
That would be deception, right?
That's not confidence.
Is it a kind of a question?
I actually have a question where you are.
Self-deception.
I actually have a question for yourself, Low, lying to yourself, too.
What do you rate a 10?
And have you ever had a 10 on the show?
Or a 9?
Sorry, 10 is high.
10 is kind of uncomfortable.
I don't think 10s exist.
Do you agree on that then?
I think it's hard for people to admit that there's something wrong with them.
Like, personally, I need to lose weight.
It would be healthier for me to lose weight.
But there are people in this world who would see criticizing themselves like that or judging themselves like that, would hurt their self-esteem and have to admit that they are not perfect, which no one is.
I mean, we could pull up photos of famous female supermodels.
I think perhaps Adriana Lima, when she was younger, might be a good example of a woman who was exceptionally attractive and beautiful.
Again, I don't think tens exist, but she's definitely a nine.
She's definitely a nine.
I've been waiting to ask you this question.
I want to watch.
We're going to come back to the rating thing, but really quick, I do want to go around the table.
Just show of hands really quick.
Who here thinks men are insecure if they care about body count?
Show of hands?
Do you think it's insecure if a man like cares about a woman's body count?
I think that's a component.
Okay.
All right.
Nobody, nobody.
You think it's insecure?
I think it has a little insecurity to it.
You think?
I think it's a little insecure.
Yeah.
It's, I mean, but like by little bit, I wouldn't think every person I've ever dated has asked me.
You know, it's been a very minute amount of men that would have asked me on a first date or anything like that.
Okay.
And that it is a little unattractive in the sense of how personal that question might be on like a very low level of knowing that person.
So are we all asking?
I think it's totally valid.
I think it's super valid.
That should be one of your vetting questions as a man.
What's your body count?
Vet, vet.
You got to vet, you know?
But I think, you know, some guys don't care.
That's fine too, I guess, for them if that's what they're asking.
I also think.
I think it's cope too.
Well, let me ask the question first.
So, okay, some of you seem to think it's insecure, some not.
Going around the table, what's your body count?
Okay.
Honest answer then.
My rating maybe wasn't the most honest answer.
But I mean, like, it is, but it's, I, I can actually put a number on this, you know, somewhat.
I can put a range.
When you are.
Definitely above 55.
I'd say somewhere in the 60s to somewhere in the 60s is what I came up with, which I did kind of check this out a few months ago.
Like, do you have a list on your phone?
I do keep a list of everyone that I have had intercourse with.
It's on your phone?
Yes, it is.
Would you be willing to read the list?
First names of phone.
Like, I guess.
Okay, we'll do that later.
Reminds me.
Some of them aren't on the list because some of them I don't.
It was like just the tip or what?
I mean, no, so.
Did you put full job on the list?
Okay, so there's been a few times as a sex worker, as a sex worker, there have been some times that I have done full-service work.
And so those ones I did not.
I didn't say that.
Those ones I did not add to my list.
So you don't count your customers?
No, and I don't do.
It's not generally, I'm not really a full-service sex worker.
But you have had sex for money.
But I have done it before.
But you have had sex for money.
Yes.
Okay.
Do you count them on your body count?
They're on my body count, but they're not on like my little list.
It's different.
Your body count is different from the list.
Body count.
Right.
Oh, seven.
Okay.
That's an unladylike question to answer.
So it really is.
But here we are.
Interesting.
I'll just say chilling.
Well, really quick question for you.
Do you think it would be like inappropriate or wrong for a guy to ask that question of you?
Like individually, one-on-one, not on a podcast?
Yeah, I think if they asked about my past history and relationships, I would be willing to be honest because I have nothing that I am ashamed of.
But if they straight up asked me, hey, by the way, what's your body count?
I'm eliminating that person from my perspective in dating.
Yeah.
Does that make sense?
Why is it wrong for men to have any standards?
No, I think you should because, you know, match up to what you feel is acceptable for you.
So find that out.
But the only reason, the only way you're going to find out the truth, first of all, you might never find out the truth just by asking, right?
For you or for other women?
No.
If you were to ask a woman what their body is.
We're talking about you.
Yes, I agree.
Women could lie about their body count.
I absolutely agree.
But would you lie about it?
I would not because I don't have anything to have to lie about.
But asking it would be disqualifying.
But being rude about it and not asking about previous relationships and just asking questions.
Can I frame it like this?
Can I frame it like this?
So you're with a new guy or whatever, and he's like, hey, Mia Moore, I really like you.
Is that Spanish?
I don't know.
Yeah, you got it, you are.
I really like you.
I see long-term potential here.
In fact, I even think you could be my future wife.
Maybe that might be cringe to say, but that's his intention, right?
That's his intention.
And he's like, listen, something that is important to me.
Look, I have a past, you have a past.
Something that's important to me, though, is I am curious to know your, uh, curious to know your body count and, um, the way that's framed is, is that acceptable?
Or it's acceptable to ask about previous relationships, but if you mention the words body count, I think that even if done in a button, isn't that kind of sneaky?
Because hang on, hang on.
Isn't it kind of sneaky if it's the case that you say it's the way you ask?
Hang on, hang on.
You say, hang on.
Can I ask the fucking question?
Sure.
Okay, so isn't it kind of sneaky to be like, you can ask about previous relationships.
What if it's the case that the woman doesn't count, right, you know, other bodies as being a relationship, whereas a body count is very specific and it's like, you know what it is that I'm asking then?
Doesn't that throw a red flag?
Again, personally, I like to keep my sneaky.
Very sneaky, Andrew.
Good catch.
I like to be very sexually disciplined.
I don't have a, what I guess you guys would consider high body count.
But there's no way of knowing if a person does have it or not.
And I don't think that if you're looking for a wife, you know, somebody serious to be in a relationship with in the future, that knowing that information is going to determine whether they have the character to be a long-term wife or anything like that because you can't prove it.
So for example, and I'll give you the example.
Can you, can you, you want somebody that you're with in the future to be clean, right?
To not have an STD or anything like that.
Can somebody who's a virgin have an STD?
Yes, it's logically possible.
Yes.
So the only way for you to find that out is by going to get tested, right?
Men care about body count for more reasons than just her STD status.
Yes, I agree.
But I'm saying if you want a long-term partner, there's a couple problems here.
The first problem is the assumption that you'll never know.
So the thing that's hilarious.
Well, no.
So here, I'll give you an example.
How are you going to know?
I literally just said I would give you an example.
Go for it.
Those were my exact words.
So anyway, here's a great example of this.
Woman says, I've only slept with four dudes, right?
And the guy's like, oh, okay, well, that's a really small amount, right?
Who are they?
It's, you know, my ex Justin, my ex, you know, Fred, my ex-Chuck, and my ex-Dan, right?
And then, you know, a couple weeks in, you find out she has another ex named Steve.
And you're like, hey, how long were you with him?
And you're like, three months.
And you're like, oh, do you omit him from the body count?
Ah, yeah.
And it's like, well, now you have good reason to suspect that they're a liar.
Yeah.
So the thing is, it's like, you can actually, hang on.
So you actually can.
Hang on.
Let me finish, lady.
You can indeed actually find out if a woman's being truthful about her body count or not.
And if she was lying about that, you couldn't easily assume that there's more, right?
Yes.
You should, if you want an honest person to have a relationship with, then you would discard them there, not even for the additional body, right?
But because of the fact that they lied, so you can't trust anything else that they say.
Right.
Yeah.
So the thing is, is that that would be a deception, but if we're operating under the assumption that, well, you just have to take her out of word, you can't find out, that's actually not true.
You know, what's funny is in her notes.
In her notes, it seems relevant.
Wait, wait, wait.
In her notes, she says that she actually runs criminal background checks on men before dating them.
I didn't actually.
Yeah, so it's interesting that it seems like, which is totally fine.
Totally fine.
However, there is a bit of a she objects to men inquiring as to women's past, but doesn't I'm not against it.
No, I'm not against it.
I'm saying that you wouldn't get the truth.
Whether there's no you're admitting you would lie about it.
No, I and I have never.
No, but there's no reason to assume you're telling me.
Why would you assume?
But hold on, women can be honest about this.
Correct.
So women can be honest and women can be as deceptive.
But we're asking, I'm asking you specifically.
So for you, if the guy asks the question, it's over.
From the beginning, yes, I feel like that's a rude, ungentlemanly question to ask.
I feel like if they know me and we've talked and they know my past, they know what I'm doing.
Which you wouldn't disclose.
They know my values.
Which you wouldn't openly disclose.
They know my values.
Hold on.
I got to come back to this.
Hold on.
Let me get the answers from people.
Body count.
Well, I heard it resets after a BBL.
So three.
Before the three.
You have a BBL?
Yeah.
It resets after that, I heard.
Okay, so three cents the BBL.
How about the prior to the BBL?
A little more than three.
It resets.
What was it before the BBL?
If I had an answer, I'd tell you, but I don't know.
Did you forget?
I don't know.
Like, you lost track.
Yeah.
Here, let me.
That's why I'm going to ballpark it.
Can we ballpark it?
Can we say wait, wait, wait.
No, And you're going to answer the question, and I need to do your notes.
Don't you want me to go over your comedian notes that you have here?
They're not that good.
I mean, they are pretty good.
They are pretty good.
Why don't you at least stay for the body count question?
What is the body count?
I don't want to do that.
Okay, you did say you don't do OF, but you date a lot.
Lots of experience.
Do you want to just yell it out?
No.
I just, why would I hang by her?
I think she's a native point, like, whatever it is.
How is that a good point?
That's not a good point.
How would my boyfriend feel watching this about me talking about body count publicly?
You're on a dating podcast.
There's plenty of dating shows in the history that have never talked about.
Yeah, I'm not giving you any pushback on this.
It's Brian's case that Brian asked the body count thing.
I don't give a shit what the body count is.
I only give a shit if the idea is that somehow inappropriate to ask.
That's the only dating.
That's the only thing I care about because that doesn't make any sense to me.
Yeah, I mean, it makes sense to ask when in dating, but it obviously is something uncomfortable to share publicly.
You know, that's something that it opens you up to a lot of prejudice.
You got to think about.
So if you're leaving, you can't linger.
So do you want to return?
Yeah, what?
If somebody is going to leave the podcast, you don't get to hang out behind the scenes.
Absolutely.
I'm going to go.
I'm so sorry.
No, I'm not sorry.
Okay.
So you forgot.
Maybe is it 20 to 30?
It's probably like a little bit more than that.
What do you mean?
Okay.
What's going on here?
What are you guys doing?
So they got more space.
All right.
Yeah.
Can we get body count?
Five men, two women.
I would rather not share on the podcast, but if I were asked on a date, probably like the second or third date, and if the other person on the date also shared their body count, then I would.
Huh?
I'm sorry, could you repeat it?
That's all right.
I was just saying I won't share on a podcast, but if I were on a date and I were asked, then I would share on the date.
If you're in a ballpark, do you want to do a random?
If the other person was also sharing.
So you will admit to doing like all kinds of degenerate sex acts.
You're essentially a prostitute.
I'm not a prostitute.
I've never had sex for money.
Do you engage in acts that sexually gratify men in person?
No, all of my clients are welcome to touch themselves if they behave themselves, but I do not touch their genitals.
For sure.
That's still prostitution.
I disagree.
But we're not going to have like a debate, a definitional debate.
Okay, body count, please.
I've been married twice, say at least two.
Those militias have been long term.
No, no, no.
When we have somebody.
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Okay.
Do you want a ballpark?
Do you want to give a ballpark?
I mean, I would say, I guess, two and a half, because I had, I mean, I was a teenager and I fooled around with the void, right?
Tilt your microphone down, please.
I'm sorry.
Okay, you won't answer.
What about you?
Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to answer too.
And respectfully, we do talk about chivalry.
And chivalry, again, as you said, it's coming from the medieval knights.
It's coming from Arturian legends.
And I just don't think the, I don't know, behavior among this otherwise has been necessarily very chivalrous to the women who have come out here today.
What are you talking about?
How does that pertain to the question I had?
I know they aren't chivalrous.
I know, but it's just obvious that a lot of women have been made uncomfortable.
I mean, two women have left the show early.
It's because it's late.
It has nothing to do with.
Yeah.
But what is your actual objection to the question?
Is it related to this?
Yeah, I mean, I just don't think it's something you need to share publicly.
Have you watched the podcast?
Yes.
Yeah, I have watched some things and I decided I'd say, well, that's fine.
You don't have to answer it, but you are aware.
Like, I don't see how you can raise this criticism if you're aware that it is a question that is asked.
Like, you're not surprised that the question is being asked.
No.
And as far as chivalry, I'm not dating any of you.
This is a dating discussion show.
Body count is a component.
It's something that men care about.
It's something that women can care about or do care about.
So I don't see how this is like somehow an inappropriate question to ask on an adversarial, controversial, known-to-be-controversial dating podcast.
I don't see how this would establish a lacking of chivalry.
No, not the question in particular, but just, you know.
Go ahead, make your criticism.
Okay, make your criticism.
Go ahead.
I mean, I just made it.
I think that.
Well, I know your criticism is now going to extend beyond just the fact that I'm asking the body count question.
Yeah, I don't think that that's inherently criticism as to what she was.
I guess I just didn't expect it to be as high stress of an environment.
I mean, this time you've been very exacerbated.
She was over there like sighing earlier.
You're kind of like, oh my God, like stop sighing and all of that.
It's just, it's that.
Yeah, she's creating.
If you've agreed to come on the podcast and the podcast has rules and we remind you of the rules repeatedly and you break the rules, that's going to result in frustration.
Have you ever dated a guy and he continued to make the same mistake over and over and over and you got frustrated?
Yeah, and naturally.
I mean, earlier.
Naturally.
That's a perfect word to describe it.
Naturally.
So, look, you guys have not been exactly, this isn't even about the body count thing.
You guys have not been particularly following some of our rules.
You've been kind of difficult.
Some of you have been feral.
There's been massive amounts of interrupting.
There's been tons of bad faith conversation.
You've been okay, by the way.
She's been fine.
But now she's levying a criticism towards me about the, and it's like, if you poke somebody enough, they're going to get frustrated.
And it's like, I'm the one running the show.
I'm trying to keep everything like moving along.
So I have a higher burden than every single one of you panelists here.
There's been interruptions on both sides.
Let's just put that out there.
Yes, I'm the host.
I'm going to have to interrupt.
Yeah, that's fine for your hostal duties, yes.
But there has been some discussions where people have been getting cut off, including myself, where I wasn't able to finish a sentence and then I had to defer to the person that was speaking.
So I'm just saying.
You've been okay too.
And if I may, you know, earlier you had said that men have easier jobs nowadays going out, not working in the fields.
Frankly, I'd rather be in a coal mine than do your job.
I think it's difficult.
So, you know, I respect it for that.
And I just, I just wanted to say it because that was how I was feeling.
That was one of the rules that we read off at the beginning, too.
Say how you feel, don't hold back in your full totality.
So.
Okay.
So now it's just like a meta conversation, a meta-criticism of the podcast.
Yeah, I mean, I guess I didn't come in necessarily with the impression that this was helping the lives of young men and of all people in general.
But have you felt different like at the beginning of the show or before the show till now?
And what you think it like represents and stands for?
Yeah, I guess.
I mean, it's just a frustrating debate.
I think it's frustrating for pretty much everybody involved.
But people keep coming back and streaming every Sunday.
I came on because I was like, this is clickbait vibes.
I think I felt the same.
I mean, like the clips.
No, like, no, not in a bad way.
I'm not saying in a bad way.
I'm saying in a good way.
This is a, this is a, I mean, the structure of the show, which I understand, it's a very long show, seven hours, and then you can get 30-second content clips that can be posted on social media for like a week.
And so that's the nature of the podcast, which I totally understand.
And I knew personally, and maybe you didn't know or you weren't aware that this was going to turn into this kind of a situation, but I knew that being conservative but not conservative to the degree that they would like to label it is going to put me on the opposing side.
So at least I was prepared for that.
And I think it showed, I mean, I kind of proved myself right.
You know, first when you guys thought I was going to be 100% on whatever it is that you guys said, I was even on the other side of the table.
And when I had a different opinion, now I'm on the opposing side of the table.
I think tone matters.
Maybe that's what you're talking about.
The kind of tone that you use when you're talking to people, debating with people, it can be kind of condescending.
You know, somebody makes a mistake, maybe a nicer tone or more gentlemanly tone would kind of prove that literally doesn't work.
That's totally this feminine view, like this empathy shit.
That's how, oh my God.
Uh-huh.
Was Nathan very polite when he told you guys not to interrupt one person speaking at a time when he was going over all the pre-show instructions?
He's been polite, yes.
He's been the most.
How have I done either?
Did we?
I was just sitting here.
Did we provide you even before the show in our pre-show notes, sort of, you know, no interrupting, one person speaking at a time?
So it's like when somebody repeatedly, repeatedly continues to break our rules, makes mistakes, and just isn't, and they're being bad faith, and they're in your case, this entire night, I don't think you understand how frustrating it is to attempt to have a logical conversation with somebody and they strawman your positions all night.
They misrepresent your positions all night.
It's like that Jordan Peterson interview with Kathy Newman.
So what you're saying is, no, that's not what happened.
And it's incredibly frustrating to be in that kind of conversation where somebody can't be charitable to your views.
They don't understand, they're not understanding what you're saying.
And so, yes, that's going to be frustrating.
Yes.
And in addition to that, there's a bunch of shit behind the scenes.
Fucking, this isn't anything to do with Nathan.
My primary producer, Mary, called out on a big show.
It's Nathan's first day doing a, and this isn't anything, this isn't Nathan's fault, but that puts higher burden on me to, you know, do certain things.
I don't have my entire team here.
That's going to have an impact.
And then in addition to that, people are interrupting.
People are not deferring to me when I'm trying to move things along and constantly being interrupted.
Yeah, that's going to eventually get that's going to get on your nerves.
It's like literally, remember at the very beginning of the show, the very top of the show, Nathan gave his instructions.
In our pre-show instructions, we say, don't interrupt.
It's really important to speak close to the mic.
And then I reiterated it for at least a third time right before the show.
Speak close to the microphone.
Literally, the first words out of a panel or the first action out of a panelist's mouth, you, you were not speaking close to the microphone.
And that just sets the stage for just.
You get very like, and I get the frustration.
There's just people that, I guess, react to differently to the frustration.
For example, you know, no relationship is perfect, you know, boyfriend, girlfriend.
But I think if I'm extremely frustrated with my boyfriend, the way that I tell him things to correct his behavior, he tells me something to correct something that I've done.
If he told me things in a certain tone, a certain way, I am more receptive to it versus being, you know, more pushed back.
And I, would you consider yourself a little bit more, you know, confrontational in your way, your tone of talking to people in comparison to most?
Yes, I do.
Okay.
See, that's just a personality trait that may go well or may not go well with people, with certain people.
It was me.
That kind of tone doesn't work for a relationship.
So you and I'm not a podcast.
But that wouldn't work.
Where people can get.
See, I can't even.
Some of the fucking people in the chat are fucking not on my side on this.
Mods, you can just fucking ban them.
I don't care.
The reality is, what's that saying?
Damned if you're do, damned if you're don't.
Basically, I get criticism.
Brian, you're not being servicive enough with the guests.
the guests are over talking you're just guys doing a fucking panel show is fucking difficult Everybody wants to talk.
Most of these people have never been on a fucking podcast.
They don't know good microphone discipline.
They don't know like they don't understand the interrupting.
They don't understand any of this stuff.
And it's like when you have to repeat yourself 10, 20, 30 times, yeah, you're going to get frustrated.
And I don't know what to say.
Like, yes, my tone is going to be stern.
Like, I'm not pretty pleased.
Could you do the thing that I asked you to do for the fucking 10th time?
No, it's like knock it, fuck it.
Be an adult, follow our rules, knock it the fuck off.
That's it.
I agree.
You know, telling people to knock things off if they don't do it 10 times.
I think using curse words at women is not very chivalrous and really knocks out points when it comes to getting.
Okay, well, I think you being bad faith the entire night and straw man.
I have not.
I have not.
I don't know what a straw man is.
You strawman the entire night.
You're bad faith the entire night.
I'm here to say exactly what I believe in, which is I think that, you know, I believe in traditional relationships and marriage.
I think that women, and nowadays, we have a different role for women.
And I think you can have a career and also be traditional.
That's all that I've, I mean, if people are watching now, they can run it back and see.
Nothing is extremist or out of the ordinary.
And I think that just has not been very well received.
But again, this is that kind of a podcast.
And you believe traditional has to be trad wife.
And anybody outside of that is, you know, not traditional, not conservative.
And I'm just here because I want to mend relationships between men and women.
In fact, I want to give men tips on how to land a woman and get married and that kind of stuff.
I've had really good success with advising people on it.
And I guess men are watching the show this late at night because they want to know what women think, right?
How women think so that they can get into a relationship with them.
That's what we're here to do.
Do you want more marriages?
Do you want more relationships to happen?
Or are you trying to divide the sexes with your show?
Or do you think that your show helps unite the sexes or divide the sexes?
I want people to have great relationships.
Do you think your show helps do that?
I do.
Okay.
i disagree with that that's why i'm here because you disagree yeah Yes, but I like to go into the wolves den.
I don't like to preach to the choir.
What evidence do you have that it is divisive?
And do you have anything that would back up this assertion?
Yes, I think that women are very often, you know, devalued on the show.
I think that the show.
What is it?
Oh my god, you're all over the fucking place your claim is is it broadly like societally divisive to the viewers or to the audience?
Oh, my God.
Sure.
So what does that have to do?
One example.
What does that have to do with the women at the table?
One example.
I'm very impressed at the show's ability to gather this kind of an audience.
There's a lot of women here that do sex work, right?
And they are a very small percentage of the population.
So they're not a representation, an accurate representation at all of most women.
Most women are not.
Most women are not.
You're going to be like a lawyer.
You know when the lawyers are.
Most women are not sexually.
You know how lawyers are like.
What are the other things?
Irrelevant.
Most women are not sexually promised.
Most women.
Hold on.
That's not true.
What do you consider a promise?
Not just my opinion.
Hang on, hang on.
Let her define it.
What is if you're what is promiscuity?
How many bodies is promiscuous?
I can't put a number on it.
So, then how can you say most women aren't that if you can't put a number on it?
I think the point is.
I will say that I need you to answer the question.
What was your question?
What, when you say promiscuous, what does that mean?
Having sex outside of solid relationships, I think that that is being more sexually liberated or promiscuous.
Yes, okay.
Now, I'm not asking about more.
I'm asking what is promiscuous?
Anything that, you know, one night stands or, you know, unprotected sex or, you know, just sex.
So as long as a woman's having protected sex, she's not promiscuous.
I'm just saying additional examples to that.
I think the ideal should be sex in a committed relationship where you first, where you first vet the person.
If a woman's had sex with, if a woman's had sex with 20 men, do you consider that promiscuous in and of itself?
If I ask that question to an 80-year-old woman and she tells me 20, I'd probably be like, probably not, grandma.
You had your own.
Okay, so 20 bodies is not promiscuous.
Okay, so 20 bodies is not necessarily promiscuous.
No, would you say that?
Hang on, 30 bodies?
It depends.
I, again, don't want to be the person to judge that, but my original question was.
Well, hang on, hang on.
The original question doesn't make sense unless we have an answer to this question.
We don't know what you mean by promiscuous.
Or promiscuous.
Is it promiscuous?
I personally put that more on the promiscuous side, yes.
At about 30.
Yeah, sure.
Okay, but not 20.
If it's grandma who lived her life.
She's 50.
She's 50.
Is a 50-year-old with 20 bodies promiscuous?
She just won't take a stand on anything or put labels on it.
There's no point in our business.
Wait, how about a 20-year-old?
How about a 20-year-old who has 20 bodies?
I think that they made very difficult, bad choices.
Are they promiscuous?
Are they promiscuous?
Yeah.
How about 10 bodies?
At 20 years old, you know.
Are they promiscuous?
I think so personally, for my standards.
Five bodies.
I'm going to head out.
I'm sorry.
I do have to drive two hours, but I really enjoyed being on the show.
Do you want to stay for your notes?
My what?
Your notes.
You need to do your notes.
I'm going to try to wrap this soon.
Yeah.
But my original point is.
Well, I answered the question.
Hang on.
Is five at 20 promiscuous?
This show doesn't help bridge the gender war.
I think it does.
It's by telling men that most women are sex workers.
Well, hang on.
Well, again, with a fucking straw man.
It doesn't do that.
Or that this is a value.
That's such a, oh my God.
Or that this is a valid representation of most women.
When have I. If anybody, if any, let's make a bet.
Repeat what you just said.
This show says that most women are sex workers.
That's.
No, no.
Don't fucking lie.
Repeat what you said.
And that's see the tone.
Don't fucking know.
Yeah, because you're lying about me.
You're literally slandering my fucking show.
You're lying.
I'm not slandering the show.
Men have issues with lies.
I know maybe you don't.
I do.
But men.
Okay, so repeat what you said.
I said that this show has mostly what?
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A great person.
You're such a fucking pathological liar.
Repeat what you said.
This show gathers a surprisingly large amount of sex workers.
That's not what you said.
You're a liar.
That's not what you said.
You're a liar.
Is that not what I originally said and opened this entire conversation with?
Two points.
Great straw man.
You're a liar.
Let me clarify.
Everyone, she's not a liar.
That is what she said.
That's not what she said.
You're a fucking liar and a gaslighter.
I'm not gaslighting.
You're literally gaslighting.
I'll tell you.
Okay.
No, but let's do a chat.
But I'll tell you what she said.
You pay me $100,000.
I don't have $100,000, but I know that I opened up.
Do you have $10?
Do you have 10,000 people?
You open up this argument by saying a great majority of women in the show.
That's not what you said.
That is what is not representative as a matter of fact.
No, it's not a majority.
Hold on.
Two points.
So first, we'll get into the straw man.
You were saying that I think that a majority of women are sex workers.
Is that what you said in your life?
If I said that, if I said that.
Hang on, hang on.
If I said that, I misspoke.
But that's what you found.
What she said is you're teaching.
You're teaching men that the majority of men or women are sex workers.
No, you said sex workers.
Okay, so I misspoke there.
Promiscuous.
And then sexually promiscuous.
And so to that point, when we say sexually promiscuous, what does promiscuous mean to you?
For me, for my standards, I think it's having sex outside of committed, stable relationships.
And so if you've had five, if you've had 10 stable committees.
And another additional qualifier to that is that the point of those relationships is marriage, not just dating to dates.
Okay, so wait, if you had 10, let's say you're 26, you've had 10 committed relationships, they all failed pretty quickly.
That's that promiscuous?
That's promiscuous?
I think that's bad decisions.
But is it promiscuous, though?
And yes, I would qualify it as that.
Okay.
Personally.
Seven at 26?
I don't know.
At 26, it depends how early on you start.
So here's the problem.
What you're doing is you're utilizing.
Do you think it's high?
Yeah.
26.
Yeah.
Yes, of course it is.
What you're doing is you're utilizing equivocation.
Somebody in the Discord.
You're utilizing equivocation.
So when you say that you're teaching women that, or teaching men that women are promiscuous, right?
And then you say most women are not promiscuous.
Yeah.
You fail to actually identify to us what the numbers are for promiscuity.
So how could we even, how could we even check the claim?
Like if I were to say most women at 25, hang on, stop.
If most women have a body count at 25 of above X, would that mean that most women are promiscuous?
You won't actually commit to that position.
I have my personal opinions on it, but you can Google, I guess, based on surveys, because there's no way to find this out for sure, but you can Google based on surveys how many average amount of sexual partners men and women have had.
And you can look that up.
And then I am curious to know if you believe that number is high, the average amount per men, per male, per you know, female.
And then we can have an honest conversation because that number is actually not very high.
What is it?
I don't know.
I think it's about three, four percent.
Are you trying to say that modern society is not promiscuous?
Three or four.
That's why.
This girl lives in Miami, too.
Those Miami girls are.
That's crazy.
That is why.
She lives in Florida.
Bro.
Women will have a body count of sexuality.
Just because he lives somewhere does not make you a bad person.
Women will have a body count of 10 by the time they graduate high school.
Not all women, not all women, but like a girl, a liberal girl.
Most women don't.
A liberal girl.
Hold on.
In 2026, a liberal girl who goes to like, let's say a medium-sized college, by the time she's done graduated, not all women, to be clear.
Most women, is my opinion.
Why don't you Google what's based on surveys, what's the average body count for them?
Women, surveys are not helpful at all on this because you can't have a factual between four to ten at 26.
That's what that's what he said.
That would be promiscuous.
In your opinion, is.
Have you ever had a one-night stand?
Of course, you wouldn't admit it on the show.
No, but I have not.
So if he's not.
How about this?
Have you ever slept with a man or done anything sexual with a man within 24 hours of meeting him?
No.
Doubtful.
In any case.
Okay, so again, I'll explain to you my personal character.
Well, just like you're lying, too.
Yeah, just like you lied and slandered about me.
What part of that, what did I say?
Yeah, so here's the slander.
You think that the majority of you.
Why don't you name it?
Because you just told me that I'm lying about one extension and I'm not.
I'm about to.
So, yeah, the slander here is you're basically misrepresenting the guest selection that we have on the show.
You claim that the majority of the guests we've had on the show are sex workers.
This is just factually, completely untrue.
The minority of our guests are sex workers, and we've taken statistics on this.
It's 15 to 20 percent of all our total guests are sex workers.
Now, you might look around and you're like, well, you can one, two, three, four, five here.
We've had 2,000 guests on the show.
Have you done record keeping?
Have you looked back at all our shows and made a determination?
Just because you see, hold on.
If this panel was all black people, would that mean we've only brought black people on the show?
No, absolutely not.
Right.
So, logically, just because we have sex worker, That's a majority already.
That wouldn't be.
That's the ones that were.
So, because they're the women who, hold on, the women who left were not sex workers.
So, actually, we have a majority now, but the majority prior to.
One of them was.
Who?
The bikini girl.
Bikini.
She sells photos of herself in bikini.
On a sex worker website.
That's not a sex worker.
I think it was like a popular.
It's like a family-friendly thing.
I think.
Okay, maybe it's a gray area for her, but the other girl who left, not a sex worker.
Yes.
In any case, I don't see how that would establish.
So here is this the logic.
Well, the majority of the women tonight are sex workers, ergo, the majority of all the guests you've ever had on the show must be sex workers.
From what I've seen in the past, yes, I have not followed the whatever podcast from its initial stages.
We keep statistics.
So maybe at the initial stages, it was a lot less, you know, I guess the percentage of women that work in the sex industry, it was a lot less.
But as the podcast went on, then maybe you realized you probably get a lot more views by having women have sex workers.
It's again, a total straw man.
It's a total fabrication.
No, I guess it's a lot of fun.
It's a total lie.
On social media, and they're it's so impossible to argue with somebody like this.
You've seen clips.
Our most, I mean, this is the metric I would use.
Our most viral moments were not with women who were sex workers.
Some of our best discussions were not necessarily with women who were sex workers.
So again, it's a total misrepresentation.
It's a total straw man.
And I'm providing the facts to you directly as the person who oversees this show, who does the guest booking, who does the guest procurement.
It's 15 to 20%.
15 to 20%.
That is correct.
Which is still much higher than the less than 1% of women that are in the world.
That's a great mod and Bailey.
Thank you for shifting the goalpost, Mod and Bailey.
No, that's a big percentage difference.
Yes, it is higher than the population.
Although, technically, if you're looking at like the between the ages of 18 to 25, something like 10% of my original argument is that this podcast misrepresents the actual amount of women that do have these, as far as representation goes, you mean?
Yeah, here's the thing: you're exploring modern dating, right?
Now, did you see what you did there?
You said that the podcast does not adequately represent the amount of total women who are sex workers.
But what is the amount of sex workers in the age demographic that Brian has on?
And is that overrepresented?
Because that would be the real question, wouldn't it?
The age of the menu.
Yeah, hang on, stop.
I'll explain.
Okay, so let's assume that the average age of the woman who comes on here is between 18 and 22.
Let's just assume that.
Do you think that the odds of them being a sex worker greatly decrease when you're not actually modeling that against the entire population of women, but only to 18 and 22-year-olds?
I think most answer that question.
I don't know those exactly.
So, how could you say it's an overrepresentation?
You don't even know.
Because most women that are, yeah, most of the women that do work in the sex industry are also in the younger for sure.
So, how do you know?
Can you look up real quick, Brian?
What is the actual percentage of women in that age bracket who are a sex worker?
Much higher.
I know it offhand.
So, it's 18 to 24.
It's 10 percent of women 18 to 45 or to what age are 18?
18 to 24 who are sex workers.
18% of women are sex workers.
I see.
Is that a statistic?
No, she said 10%.
Say it again.
I said 18%.
Okay.
Women between the ages of 18 to 24, 10% of them have OnlyFans or are sex workers.
That sounds like a very over, that sounds like a wrong statistic and an over-exaggeration.
But I don't have a laptop in front of me or my phone to verify those claims.
She has to question all of our stats, but we have to unquestioningly, unquestioningly accept every single shit that she's going to be able to do.
Okay, but can you at least admit that within that age group, it's going to be much higher than the sample against the entire population of women?
Very attractive.
Then, how would you even know if it's an oversampling in comparison to the age group, which is most commonly represented on whatever?
Nathan, can you do, just ask Chat GPT.
Here's the question you're going to ask: percent of women 18 to 24 who do OnlyFans or sex work in general.
You can make it broader.
Yeah.
Well, we'll just keep it to OnlyFans, which would probably lower the percentage.
My AI overview here says recent data estimates that approximately 1.2 to 1.4 million women aged 18 to 24 in the U.S. are active creators on OnlyFans.
This represents roughly 10 to 14% of all women in that specific age group.
Can you pull it up?
Oof.
I would love to say that.
Some social posts and community estimates suggest that around 1.2 to 1.4 million American women aged 18 to 24 have OnlyFans accounts.
If you assume there are about 10 to 10.7 million U.S. women in that age group, that would imply roughly around 10% to 14% of OnlyFans.
I'm confused.
10 to 14%.
And isn't it only about 15%?
15 to 20, but it's closer to 15%.
Wow, that sounds like it's completely a representation then, doesn't it?
Boy, you fucked that one up.
No, I thought you fucked that one up.
I thought the number, I will admit, I thought the number one thing.
And by the way, it's actually even better because not all of the OLF girls who come on are between the 18 to 26 percentile.
So because of that, it actually would lower the amount of OnlyFans girls in that person in that ang on in that percentile.
So it actually is very possible that he roughly has exactly the representation of OnlyFans girls on versus non-OnlyFans girls for the age demographic.
Not if you count the age bracket of women that you have here.
I'm 32.
She's 36, you said.
So why don't you increase the age bracket and check that?
Are either of you sex workers?
No.
Okay, so then it seems like you're representing it just and it is.
It's 0%.
Look, it's 0% right now.
So again, out of the women here, we go up to the age of 36.
See, especially if you're not going to be able to do that same, so why don't you put that same age bracket right now on your laptop?
The youngest girls are getting into widespread.
You're shifting the goalposts.
No, I'm not.
Yes, you are.
Hold on.
Hold on.
I'm almost done.
I'm almost done.
So, man, let me see.
This is what's frustrating.
Like, let me, if I'm going to engage, can you guys just let me speak and you don't have to chatter?
Because now we're wasting five, ten seconds.
Okay.
Your original claim, which was false, was that I'm suggesting that the majority of women are sex workers or that the majority of the guests that we have on this show are sex workers.
It's not the majority.
They definitely said majority.
If I did, then I misspoke.
But it is definitely an overrepresentation of sex workers now.
Okay, but so even if it's 5% over, it's like, so who gives a fuck?
Who gives a fuck?
5% would be very slow.
I agree.
5% would be very low.
So let's put the bracket then between 8 to 30 people.
I'm not interested in 30%.
I'm just exploring the data further.
And actually, looking up the number, I think it'd be closer to maybe 5% or 2% of the population.
That's a small percentage.
Yeah, including 80-year-olds.
Yeah, why do you keep on?
Not 80-year-olds, but you have, on average, up to 40 maybe on this podcast.
So that would greatly be a lot of fun.
But I'm not attempting to paint women in this light as if they're all sex workers.
I can sit here right now.
So if you're just curious as to my actual position, the majority of women are not sex workers.
I don't know the exact numbers total.
If we were to look at a different age range, 18 to 34, 40, whatever.
It's a small minority of women who are sex workers.
That's my position.
So I'm not putting out there, by the way, guys, like 70% of women are degenerate OnlyFans girls.
That's not what I say.
So you're contending.
I've never said that.
That isn't even forwarded by me.
I've never said that you've said that.
I say that this show overrepresents the amount of women in the industry.
And we do not represent women.
Oh, we have to do that.
In my research of your podcast and watching different videos and clips, I personally just noticed that there were a lot of sex workers.
And I thought that maybe you cast sex workers preferably because it is, you know, entertaining or because it's a huge sampling of the population who are in dating age of 18 to 26.
It's a massive, massive, massive percentage of the population of women who are in the dating age of 18 to 26.
So not only is it not a massive overrepresentation, which we just literally established five seconds ago, because we know the percentage of total sex workers who've been on, we could even reduce that by 18 to 26 and it would still be less.
If somebody on the street asked me, hey, can you describe the whatever podcast?
What kind of people do they bring on?
You know, what is their backgrounds?
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Do you think that it'd be wrong and people would just say that no, they don't bring that's a fallacious argument.
You're making an appeal to majority.
You're making an appeal to majority.
What's disingenuous is making an appeal to majority.
Wait, I got the perfect thing.
Did you vote for Trump?
I did.
Okay, are you a Trump supporter?
Yes, I am.
Okay.
So if I were to poll the majority of people in California as to, do you think that Trump is a grapist?
They'd probably say yes.
Is it true that he is a grapist?
Nope.
Okay.
Okay.
So just because, like, if I were to poll the majority of Californians, hey, do you think like ICE is there's like massive amounts of like misconduct amongst ICE law enforcement officers?
And they're like, yeah, I think that there's a lot of, there's a lot.
Would that actually prove that it's true or mean it's true?
But you're making my argument for me.
The fact that just because a majority of people say that they believe Trump is a rapist, it doesn't make it true.
Just like if you have a larger representation of women with a sex background, it doesn't mean that most women are promiscuous as a whole.
That would be your argument.
Wait, that would be Ryan's argument.
Your argument that you forwarded was: well, do you think if I ask people on the street what they think the whatever podcast is about, and if it has like a whole bunch of OnlyFans girls on it, and it's like the majority.
Okay, so regardless of if even if they did, does it mean it's true?
Yeah, that's the question.
So if people out there on the street say yes, I think that a majority of the women who go on the whatever podcast are OnlyFans Girls, does it mean it's true?
You have the numbers, I don't.
So you're telling me answer the question.
You're telling me it's not true.
Answer the question.
You're telling me it's not true because based on the entirety of the show's history, that has not been the case.
And you have the stats, so you could be right.
Not just I could be right, I am right.
Okay, from the shows that most people have seen recently, I'd say that the brand of this podcast is having women with a background to the public.
That's not the brand.
How could that possibly be the brand if the minority of our guests are sex workers?
The majority of our guests are not sex workers.
Okay, well, I guess that's a PR issue.
Might want to work on that.
Period.
Moving on.
Moving on, please for the love of God.
But so, okay, you do acknowledge that even if that's the perception, perception doesn't mean truth.
Yep, absolutely.
You have the numbers, I don't, and you're still.
So why would you have forwarded the argument of, well, what do you, I don't, well, I actually don't understand.
You can't possibly believe this because now the logical entailment of your argument is tens of thousands of people are going to think you're a hooker.
No, I think.
Then why are you on a podcast where only where everybody thinks only hookers go on the podcast?
Mostly, that's the PR.
I'm telling you guys.
So what do you mean?
Why would you go on a podcast that you think has the PR that only hookers go on if you didn't want people to think you were a fucking hooker?
Because you sporadically do have women that aren't hookers.
You've had Lila.
You've had Lila Rose.
That's really weird.
You've had Lila.
The PR to the reputation.
The reputation that only hookers go on.
I better go on that podcast.
You've had Lila Rose on the street.
Holy fucking brilliant.
Boy, they're looking at big brain on Sam over here.
All right.
All right.
You've had Lila Rose on, definitely not a hooker.
You've had my previous employees.
Now you're making Brian's argument.
Charlie Kirk.
Yeah, tell us all about how the PR here is actually not that hit.
Motherfucker is for 12 years, but she doesn't know what she's doing.
Hey, we're not done with your notes.
All right, here.
Do you want to move on?
I'm going to your notes.
Yeah, we have to.
I'll help fix your PR issue if you pay me for it.
The PR issue that we can't have, or you wouldn't be here because people would think you were a hooker.
I'm not going into the wolves' duns if you can't tell.
Do you want people to think you're a hooker?
No, I think they'll figure out that I'm wrong.
Okay, let me go to Courtney really quick.
You're on the libertarian spectrum.
You don't always agree with the host's delivery.
All right, I'm not going to argue without you on that.
When it comes to certain topics, like the hotness scale settings, you said that you're a solid 6.5 with makeup on.
You're an 8.3 if you're drunk.
No.
I didn't say that.
Did I?
If you were drunk, you didn't.
Okay.
I'm sorry.
What's your name again?
Ivy.
Okay, Ivy.
In your Instagram, it writes, it says women in STEM.
Are you a woman in STEM?
Yes.
I haven't graduated yet.
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I'm majoring in computer science, minoring in cybersecurity.
So I am learning how to hack currently.
I don't know everything yet.
I mean, not yeah, they're teaching us how to hack.
I'm doing a flex course.
So cybersecurity is necessary usually.
Switches.
Okay.
You write yourself, or you describe yourself as a sweet but dominant tatted porn star goddess.
I think this is on your OF.
Gooners are your favorite.
Give.
Oh, no, that's on my Sex Panther.
Oh, Sex Panther.
You say, give you every drop of your.
You say it.
I'm not going to say that.
What does it say?
Don't you know what's on your own?
No, I do, but I rewrite my bios like frequently.
Don't make me say it.
I don't have an agency.
Every drop of your what, come?
Like something like that?
There's more.
There's a beta.
Beta bitches?
Part of this girl has been.
Beta cooners?
Beta bitch.
Beta slut?
You write, give me every drop of your beta cum.
Yeah, beta come.
Okay.
You do girlfriend experience, scam.
Romance scam.
You do home wrecking.
I do the role play, yeah.
So, okay.
What's CEI?
Eating instructions.
So, like, they'll eat it out of like a, they'll, they'll eat it out like out of their, they'll squirt it in their mouth.
They're like, who?
I eat it out of, like, my subs, my clients.
Men?
Uh, yeah, usually they, like, ask for it, and they'll, like, excuse me.
That's fucking disgusting.
Eat it out of a peanut butter jar or something.
I don't know.
You, like, tell them where to do it, and then they eat it off that object or whatever.
Into a cup or on a plate.
And then you tell them, yeah, they also taught you how to do it.
I give the female sex workers some flack, but I think I gotta sometimes I think it's the men, you know, the fucking degenerates that I gotta criticize them too, man.
They're usually listed as basic.
We're just facilitating the experience that they want to experience.
I do say no to some people.
You can tell they're a little bit ashamed after they ask for stuff like that sometimes.
You gotta give them cool hop sessions.
All right.
You said that you talked earlier about you were sugar mama to your last boyfriend for three years.
You guys were monogamous, then it went to an open relationship.
So were you sleeping with other guys?
I was, yes.
Okay, but he was sleeping with other girls too.
Yes.
Okay, he ended up being a huge cheater.
Well, I mean.
It's about transparency, and he was hiding stuff from me and sleeping with people that like raw.
And then he was sleeping.
He slept with about like 10 girls behind my back before I found out.
So, okay, your open relationship, the agreement was we disclose.
yeah it was a conversation and then well it wouldn't be cheating Well, it wouldn't be cheating, but it would be a lack of disclosure because it's an open relationship.
He could have got me sick.
It's cheating.
Well, it's not cheating, but it's wrong.
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I'll agree with you.
He wouldn't get tested either.
I have love for him.
Okay.
I'm not going to argue with you too much, but I wouldn't consider it cheating, but what he did is wrong.
I think I'd be say that.
Yeah.
You went from dating men living in trap houses to writing on private jets.
Yes.
Too much to type.
Yeah.
You were introduced.
Wait.
You've dated millionaires twice your age who you were introduced to by your sugar baby boyfriend and you ended up dating him for two years.
You were very spoiled, but he was also very crazy.
He was very crazy.
He was fun.
All right.
A fun way, you know, he wasn't too crazy, but he was like, definitely, like, not I had it like kind of like babysit him a little bit, okay.
Uh, Courtney, you said you don't agree with the host delivery when it comes to certain topics like the hotness scale rating.
Uh, I did want to go back to that briefly here for the 9.9, the 10, the 8th, the 8th, the 9.
Can you guys tell me, uh, well, oh, yeah, I was supposed to rate you guys.
I guess I'll do that super quick.
Um, uh, for you, 9.9, I'm just going to focus on the 9.99, the 10, and then the 9 over there.
So, oh, can we just get the camera angles on?
Okay.
So, can you tell me a woman who you think is a 9.99?
Like young Megan Fox, like a woman, Robbie, Margot Robbie.
Margot Robbie is a 10-year demon slayer, donated $69.
That's diversity lovers.
Sorry, it's below the threshold.
I'll know why it did the TTS.
Please tell me a woman who you think is a 10.
Megan Fox is actually a really good example.
Megan Fox.
Okay, and then you're.
Wait, hold on.
You're a nine.
Can you tell me a woman who you think is a nine?
Angelina Jolie.
And you're a nine?
Yes.
Just like Angelina Jolie?
I have symmetrical eyes.
I have full lips.
Can you look?
Can you look in that camera right there?
Looks straight.
That one?
That camera looks straight in that camera.
Hello.
Okay.
Now, those of you watching, drag a window and put Angelina Jolie's face right next to her face.
Now, can you, while looking into that camera, can you do me a favor?
Can you turn your face that way?
More?
More?
And then turn your face the other way?
Angelina Jolie Caliber, everybody.
Holy fuck.
Okay, that's.
Thank you.
Yeah, women are delusional.
Rate me a three already so I can go.
Hold on.
Hold your horses.
Hold your horses.
Are you going to rate us?
I will give you guys ratings.
I'll wait until homegirl's back.
Yeah.
I may say something.
Part of the reason, too, I didn't want to rate on a scale is, I don't know, when you were asking them, who do you think is a 10?
The first person that came to mind for me who is a 10 is my sister.
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I've always loved her so much and looked up to her.
And it's sad to see a beautiful girl like this go and call herself a 4.5 when if any guy sees her on the street and wouldn't drop his jaw to the floor, he needs to get smacked or something because she's beautiful.
I'm not paying attention.
I'm not pandering.
Anya's pandering.
Well, yeah, not pandering.
Regardless, like when you're in love with someone, like I've been in love with somebody who, when I first met him, I wasn't as attracted to him, but when we were in a relationship, he was a perfect 10 to me.
I loved everything about him.
But that's not even a dispute.
Yeah, it's not a dispute, so to say, but I think that beauty is a lot of fun.
Love is more important than what you believe that over time, of course, you can become more or less attracted to a person.
Of course, that's the case.
Yeah.
Nobody would dispute that that's the case.
But all the time that we're probably ever going to spend for the rest of our lives together is right this second.
And so what you do is you're like, okay, that's 99.99999% of people you'll ever engage with in the rest of your existence.
So because of that, we can make value judgments and assessments based on appearance and what we see and how we perceive the beauty standards that other people see each other as to.
Nobody here is stupid.
Know this for sure because I've now talked with all of you.
So I know that you know what I'm saying is true.
That it is, in fact, the case that all of you can take a look at a chick and the second she's not in the room, go, Oh, that is nasty.
That bitch is nasty.
Oh, that girl's hair is bad.
Oh, her eyebrows, she should be doing something else with those.
Did you see her makeup?
Don't fucking bullshit.
They do it all the time.
Women do it all the time.
I'll tell you what.
Let's see how many of you are honest.
How many of you have ever criticized the appearance of a woman when she left the room?
But I will also say not you, though.
You've never done that.
A woman has never left the room and you've criticized her.
Not you.
No, I've thought that maybe they could trust Butter or I will add that if we're friends, I'll tell her to her face.
Yeah, I'll be like, hey, that's really weird.
How can you go like judge and assess the beauty of like your friends and other women?
It's not about assessing their beauty, but maybe like her hair is messed up or she's got broccoli in her.
Well, that's interesting.
Something like that.
I just had trouble assumption that women are just bitchy and catty with each other.
I'm going to tell you that.
Well, they are, but I'm going to tell you that here's what my actual assumption is.
My actual assumption is that human beings criticize each other consistently and constantly.
For men, there's a good reason for that.
And for women, there's a good reason why both sexes do this.
One reason that women like to play the compare and contrast game is because it's one of the ways that they can enhance mating strategies.
For men, one of the reasons that we do it is because it enhances cooperation and male camaraderie.
Men are fucking awful to each other.
We call each other the F-slur.
We're horrible to each other.
We laugh at each other when we fall down.
You know, if I have a friend who's really hurt, the first thing I do is laugh.
And then we render aid.
I mean, all of you know that what I'm saying is accurate, okay?
If you know, if you have hung around men for any length of time, all they do is give each other shit all day.
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Am I lying?
Yeah, stepped out so I didn't originally.
No, sorry, not going to let you hijack this one.
So, gee, where was I on this thing?
I do think it is interesting.
Actually, you know what?
Here, let's do this.
Rate me on a scale of zero to ten.
Overall, just face looks.
Just face or just face.
Yeah.
Okay.
With the beard, a four.
So I'm assuming, I'm curious.
I'm assuming without the beards lower, I would imagine.
What do you rate me?
Seven.
Okay, you're being too generous.
I think you have nice blue eyes, and I tend to be more attracted to men that have darker hair, and I like facial hair.
So, man, Angelina Jolie thinks you're a seven.
But she's still settling for me.
I'm two points below her.
Well, she's Angelina Jolie.
She's a nine.
Of course, she's going to settle for you.
I'm just a seven in her eyes.
You're out of your mind, bro.
So, you know, it's, yeah, she would be settling for me, though.
Here, really quick.
Can we?
Don't rate me.
I don't want to get my feelings hurt today.
We'll wait until you guys can wait until we leave.
Really quick, though.
Nathan, just I want to pull up the Discord.
Can you go into the looks tab on the Discord?
Do you know how to do that?
What's that?
The looks tab here.
Yeah, and then click on the scroll up a little bit.
Scroll up, scroll up.
Click on, wait, wait, scroll down, scroll down.
The first girl there next to it.
Yep, click that.
And then you're going to use the mouse arrows.
Oh, no, no, no.
Mouse arrow.
No, sorry.
Hover with the cursor over the arrow.
Yeah.
Next, that's Evangeline.
I forgot her last name.
This is Adriana Lima.
Adriana Lima, next.
Jessica Beale.
Jessica Beale.
Taylor Hill, I think is her name.
Next.
Jessica Alba.
And then, of course, Gorlock.
So all very attractive women.
Those are eights and nines.
You know, I want to say some of those women.
Okay.
Let's use Adriana Lima, though, that second girl that we saw.
What do you rate her?
I said perfection wasn't achievable.
She's a 10.
What do you rate her?
Which woman?
All of them are beautiful.
The second girl, the one with the blue eyes.
What do you rate?
Adriana Lima.
10.
Drop Dad's gorgeous.
Okay, but you're just one point below Adriana.
Yeah.
Wait, hey, can we get on the right angle, please?
Did we miss?
I would say my flaws are like the little indent in my nose, and maybe my nose is a little bit different.
I think we missed the angle, so I think we're going to have to repeat it.
You're one point below Adriana Lima.
Yes, I believe so.
I think I only have a couple of flaws on my face.
All right, this is what men are dealing with in the dating landscape.
This is why it's so difficult to date because basically you have women who have an overinflated sense of their attractiveness, and they basically look at men who are actually on their level and they completely zero them out.
Women will think that they're settling for a guy, but it's actually just that they're delusional.
I would like to add that I've dated men that I deem less attractive than I.
That you deem, but you deem.
Okay, can I ask you a question?
Maybe we should ask.
Angelina Jolie was married to Brad Pitt.
Yeah, and she was also married to Billy Bob or dated Billy Bob.
He's an attractive person.
Yeah, my question, though.
He's somewhat attractive.
Brad Pitt.
They're huge.
But hang on.
Yes, they are.
Angelina Jolie dated down with Billy Bob Thornton.
Fair enough.
Also was with Brad Pitt.
Yeah.
And so would.
Hang on.
So you're not settling for Brad Pitt.
You're not settling.
If you got Brad Pitt.
It's an equal relationship.
With you.
Oh, for me.
For me and Brad Pitt?
No, I feel like he would be settling for me a little bit.
Wait, wait, wait.
Just a little bit.
He was settling for a while.
Angelina Joe Lee.
Let me ask this.
Tell me a guy who you think is a 9.99, a guy who you think is a 10, and a guy who you think is a 9.
Okay, I'll say fuck he's short, though.
You can't use him.
I don't know.
He's also Jewish, I think.
So I gotta get more pieces.
I'm always fucking dating shortcating.
I gotta stop.
Okay.
Irrelevant.
Sorry.
We'll say Robert Pattinson.
The guy from Twilight.
When he washes his hair.
All right.
What about you?
John Summit.
Oh, my God.
Who the fuck is that?
Can you Google John Summit?
Do a Google image search of John Summit, please?
He is a good personality.
Oh, and disco lines.
What about you?
Can you repeat the question?
Who's a guy who you think is a nine?
Oh, a celebrity that we could Google.
George Clooney.
No, no, no.
A guy who you think is a nine.
Yeah, I think he's a crazy colour.
Yeah, she says George Clooney.
Oh, George Clooney.
Okay.
Okay.
Oh, no.
No!
Would you have it?
Go ahead, pull it up.
Whatever it is.
Can you go to the 10?
I'm a 10.
Well, you're going to change that after I give the rating.
You're a three.
Just keep bringing me.
Sorry.
George Clooney.
Your looks equivalent.
Can we say young George Clooney?
Because he's a bit older.
Can we say young?
Sure.
We want the age gap.
He's very handsome.
Can you either curse?
And I don't even think that the age gap between George Clooney and I is that big.
It's pretty big.
Your looks.
Your league.
I think he's in his 60s.
Your looks league is famous actor, heartthrob, sexiest man alive, George Clooney.
Well, he was, I think, a magazine many years ago voted him sexiest man alive.
People magazine, fucking 98 or some bullshit.
That's your looks equivalent.
Yeah.
Like I said, I think my only flaws are the bags under my eyes and my point when homegirl.
Whatever you're right.
Is her looks equivalent?
You tell me, is her looks equivalent George Clooney?
Yes or no?
I just need a yes or no.
I won't be offended.
Is her looks equivalent George Clooney?
You tell me.
Wait, wait, wait.
You tell me.
Is her looks equivalent George Clooney?
Be honest.
Come on.
I won't be offended.
Fucking stick in the ninth.
Fucking turn that shit.
Go ahead.
I know you want to.
You said that this is what all women are delusional in, you know, in giving themselves a rating, and this is why men have it hard.
And that's not the case.
This is just her opinion.
If we rewind back three minutes, that's what you said.
See, this is why men are having problems dating because I'm speaking generalities.
That's the problem.
No, generalities are complete.
Generalities are completely acceptable when you're talking about general principles.
I don't think most people are delusional about their personal appearance.
Yes, most, I would argue most women are.
I disagree with that, but okay, we'll agree to disagree.
I disagree about your disagreement about disagreeing.
I love that.
Do you disagree?
I disagree.
Oh, whoa, then we'll just discuss.
I disappoint about that delusion.
Hold on, hold on.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying all women.
Of course, there are women who are reasonable, who are humble, who are self-aware, who have a reasonable degree of being able to self-assess their physical attractiveness.
In fact, earlier I said, Anya, I think she underrates herself.
I agree.
She underrates herself.
So it's not like I'm like, all women are just totally delusional.
But you would agree that if 30%, 40%, 50%, 60% of women, and look, I don't know the exact number, are over-inflating their own self-assessment of how attractive they are.
Yeah, that's going to have like massive impacts when it comes to dating.
In the same way that if me over here, now here's where this is going to get interesting.
If I were to say I'm just as good looking as prime Brad Pitt, as prime Johnny Depp, as prime Leonardo DiCaprio, all of you guys would be internally, because I feel like you won't confront me on it.
Internally, you'd be like, look at this fucking Chubby Joey.
Not you.
Look at this fucking Chubby Joe.
Not you.
We're not referencing.
We know, we know, we know.
You would never.
That's why I excluded myself.
I also, I want to say that just because I rate myself highly doesn't mean that I write off men that I'm not, aren't necessarily conventionally attractive, right?
I've dated bald men.
I've dated men shorter than me, the same height as me, taller than me.
I mean, bald men can be for me.
Attraction is about.
Like Leonardo DiCaprio, is he delusional?
Maybe a little bit.
A little bit.
He has symmetrical eyes, right?
Like, you do have really nice eyes.
I'm like, I'm chubby.
I'm chubby.
And I like chubby guys.
It's nice.
Yeah, I wish she didn't grab the bed.
I'm like, oh, I give myself a full-time.
I'm below average looking.
In no world am I anywhere near Brad Pitt?
And I acknowledge that, but it's not like I'm, oh, I'm so down on myself.
Because, no, it's like, it is what it is.
It is how I am.
And I have other appealing characteristics.
However, yeah, looks-wise, below, like below average.
Below average.
Look, if I lost some weight, I'd be a solid five.
Solid five.
Maybe I could even get back to 5.5, maybe even a 6 if I got really trim, you know.
Maybe my skin right now is all fucked up.
I don't know if I've been eating too much junk food or raw meat.
Yeah, I think you're being too hard on yourself.
I'm not going to cook for you.
You got to eat it raw.
It's raw.
Oh, sorry.
Are you going to prepare?
Yeah, I'll chop it up.
All right, the rare food.
All right.
That's actually a good thing.
And she'll cook cucumbers on my eyes and give me a massage.
I feel like she just eats raw food, so she doesn't have to cook it for her man.
No, I was eating all raw, and he would eat all cooked, so I'd spend an evening cooking him a meal, cooking bread, too.
It was a great joke.
You ruined it.
It was fantastic.
You just totally ruined it.
I feel like you ruined the whole joke.
It was a good joke.
But so, I mean, just, I don't know.
I need you guys to affirm my identity as somebody as attractive as me.
You would be if you ate raw meat.
You want everybody's honest opinion about me.
Do you want us all to rate you?
We can all rate you.
Do you want everybody's.
Yeah, I understand I'm an abrasive person.
Now, to be fair, to be fair, doing this show is stressful.
Yes.
And I will tell you this.
I will tell you this.
If I have a girlfriend, you might think, Brian, you're incredibly disagreeable.
You're incredibly combative.
You're incredibly argumentative.
Yes.
When I'm at peace at home with my girl, it is smooth sailing.
Smooth sailing.
I'm not, I'm actually in interpersonal relationships, private interpersonal relationships.
I like to think I'm actually quite genuinely.
Like, what does that mean?
Well, I like to think I'm quite agreeable.
But you're going to say, okay, well, Brian, you were sassy tonight.
You got bent out of shape.
You partially crashed out, which is probably true.
Hey, look, look, we all have our moments, right?
However, this wouldn't be representative of how I am privately or individually.
I wouldn't know, but this has been in like what, a seven-hour podcast, and I haven't had a crash out like that.
So I think it kind of can be representative.
Well, you're the abuser.
Oh, no, no, no.
You're the type of abuser.
Wait a second.
Why do you push buttons?
And like, internally, you're like, oh, yeah, I'm getting a rise out of this guy.
You're a button pusher.
You're a habitual.
Who says it?
Is it a picture?
Why do you think it crash out?
Wait, who's that comedian?
Who's that comedian?
Oh, they are crashing out.
Wait, wait, wait.
Who's that comedian who's like females be like habitual?
Oh, no, it's Dave Chappelle.
Wait, is Dave Chappelle?
Habitual line stepper, habitual line crosser, habitual button pusher.
Are you thinking of Cat Williams?
Yes.
No, no, no.
I think it's great.
So am I. Look, yeah, you're a button pusher, lady.
You're a button pusher.
But look, I'm telling you, I think that you've, I think that, um, I think you've had multiple crash outs.
I think that just because you, if you, if you just say, oh, well, I have a calm demeanor while I'm completely prattling about fucking nonsense to the point where nobody else gets a word in edgewise while they're talking, I think that that's crash out.
I think people can rewind and check for themselves.
They will.
I promise there will be plenty of clips.
Yeah, I'm sure you guys might.
100% guarantee you.
There will be plenty of people.
I can't even AI edit my pictures.
That's one of the things we signed on the disclosure for the first time.
I did notice that too.
I found it to be a little strange.
Oh, yeah.
Your TikTok thumbnails have been interesting lately.
Why is that?
I'm actually curious.
So I'm willing.
Yeah, what is the purpose of that?
Yeah, to enlarge the girls' breasts, even though they're covered up on the show for the most part.
Make mine bigger.
Make my bigger.
Yeah, I mean, ultimately, we make mine huge.
My editor ran a one-week experiment.
You'll notice that it stopped.
My editor ran a one-week experiment.
It was super cringe, but I was like, and yeah, so we, not just the, like the, the, we, we AI'd the face, we gave people like funny expressions.
And you see this implemented on YouTube thumbnails.
So yes, it's a bit of sensationalization.
It was a, it was like a YouTube experiment.
No, actually, we, did we do it on some YouTube clips?
Maybe.
But it was an experiment to see like what you could do to like boost the engagement, the CTR, basically.
But I want to take the bait though, real quick, Brian.
So I'm willing to take the bait.
I rate my personality at a one.
So what do you rate yours?
I think that when I'm not debating people that try to divide the sexes, I'm a 10 out of 10.
In fact, in fact, in fact, I actually have proof of this, quantifiable proof.
Did you know that back in 2013, 2013, I competed in a beauty pageant and I was actually voted on by the girls there as miscongeniality.
So imagine out of a competition with girls that are competing with each other that they vote somebody as the nicest person there.
So I have actual evidence of that being the case.
It was called the Christina Genolo Award, Spirit of Miss Florida.
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Oh my God, who?
Back in 2013.
Got it.
Most people.
Personality.
So 10 out of 10.
Personality, 10 out of 10.
10 out of 10.
Girls, girl.
Yep.
Look, this show, this show, I knew for some reason, something in me told me that you were going to say a 10 out of 10.
I don't know how I knew, but something told me you were definitely going to make a 10 out of 10 assessment.
Wait, let's ask the female panelists here.
Do you guys, what do you, Anya gets to go first.
No.
Yeah.
Rate her, I guess, her personality as presented on the show.
Rate her personality.
As presented on the show?
Or okay.
Don't take offense to this because I only know you from the show.
That's okay.
As long as you think I'm funny.
Just your personality, not your looks, because your looks are completely different.
Tell us a joke, funny lady.
I'd say like four and a half.
Okay.
Fucking W Anya.
W Anya in the chat.
What do you guys?
Ah, no, they're not going to be.
I don't think anybody's going to be on this besides on.
Like, women do this.
All right, let's hear it.
What is it?
Yeah, before it.
Since we're not talking about like, we're talking about personality and not like certain debating skills.
Although I think you're amazing, but I'm not going to give it a 10.
I'm not going to give it a 10.
But your personality-wise, I think you have a beautiful personality and I give you a 9.99.
You're a fucking liar.
You're a fucking liar.
I'm not a liar.
Does anybody want to be honest?
Go ahead.
Come on.
I mean, like five.
W.
I would.
I would.
Patriarchy's dividing the sexes.
We had a conversation, what, maybe, what, 30 minutes prior to, you know, roughly we walked in the door.
That was a good portion of it.
However, there is certain topics in here where it went from, okay, she seems kind of cool.
I guarantee you're outside here.
You're probably a great person.
I would never have a political conversation with you ever.
However, I would say, in this room, when we entered this door and you started talking, I'm going to say like a negative one.
But I mean, I think outside here, fucking W Courtney.
Yes, Courtney.
Yes.
I would say you're very well spoken.
I'm giving you another slice of peace.
I was surprised by a lot of your opinions.
What surprised you, the fact that I was surprised by your opinions because you categorize yourself as a traditional woman and have worked for Charlie Kirk, yet you do actually advocate for women having their own individuality and their own salaries and their own safety net in a marriage.
So that surprised me about you.
But I guess if I were to rate it, I would just say seven.
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And I only bring you down a couple points because there was like a lot of just focus on you with, you know, debating with the I got good off the map.
It is interesting because we're all critiquing you from different perspectives.
We're close to the tail end here.
We're close to the tail end.
I like the barrage.
That was quite the first time.
How is it, you know, you're this lovely Latina?
You should have her back within the moment.
Have you known Alex Stein?
Yes, I do.
Yes.
Oh, yeah.
We're having you back with Alex Stein.
Oh, that would be so much.
Never mind.
Yes, I do know his motto.
Yes, of course.
Of course.
Let's see here.
Which one?
Number 99, Pepon Lamp?
No, big booty Latinas.
That was, yeah, that's his thing because of Ocasio-Cortez.
Yeah, I saw the video.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, I'm going to give super fast looks ratings, just face, not factoring in body.
It is a bit difficult with the makeup on, so yeah.
Okay, here we go.
Here we go.
I'm going to have you turn that way, and then that way I'll have all of you do it.
Turn that way, turn that way.
All right.
4.755.
Have you had you have lip filler?
I do.
Have you had any Botox in the face?
I've had a baby Botox.
Yeah.
I've had Botox in my forehead around my eyebrow.
Yeah, my eyebrows.
What was wrong with your forehead?
Nothing was wrong with it.
I just like my eyebrow was like it twitches sometimes.
So like it helped me like stop with my tick.
Or it stopped it.
Yeah.
It froze it.
It froze it.
Okay.
Kind of like trained it to stop.
Yeah, I think you have pretty good aesthetics.
Me personally, aesthetically speaking, I'm not a fan of lip filler.
Under no nose job.
No nose job.
Natural nose.
Can you turn that way again?
Okay.
Turn back.
No, no, no, just towards me.
I think I want to give you.
You're wearing.
Are you wearing fake lashes?
I have eyelash extensions, yeah.
Yeah.
No, she was wearing magic in my eyelash color.
I think I want to give you just face.
I think I would give you like 5.56.
You can snip me.
I'm not requesting it, but feel free to if you want to give your opinion.
Okay, well, you have about like three pounds of makeup on, so it's going to be like really hard to give a assessment, like bucket, like paint.
Sure.
I mean, again, I'm not requesting this.
Okay, well, that's just a segment I do.
I know, I know.
I'll just speak.
Okay, so again, it's really hard to rate with makeup on.
And again, that's fine.
And I'm not going to rate you lower just because you pretty much gave me an aneurysm all night.
So I'm not going to do that.
I'll be like clear.
I wouldn't just be like, you're a fucking one.
I hate you.
I wouldn't do that.
That would be rude.
I think, again, it's hard.
It's really hard with the makeup.
So I'd be curious.
Are you down to remove your makeup?
We do a segment called makeup removal.
Is everybody down to remove their makeup?
No, 1,000.
That's too much work.
And also, it's kind of degrading.
You got to go home the same way as like size.
Yeah, we're almost there.
We're almost wrapped.
We're almost wrapped.
Well, I mean, I don't think it's degrading.
I think it's actually more degrading that women don't feel comfortable.
Do you have hair extensions?
Yes.
Yeah.
I'll just go ahead and say like 5.56.
You, lip filler, looks like you've had some Botox maybe in the face too.
No, not.
I have Botox.
Closer, can you come?
Can you come?
i have botox in my forehead and my lip filler i have um you do i don't I had lip filler, but I don't anymore.
I just have it tattooed.
It is hard with the lip blush.
Well, the fake lashes, the fake lips.
And I had my hairline done.
I think I'm going to go ahead and say five.
Oh, I should have repeated your guys' ratings to you.
Okay, I'll just, for the sake of my editor here, you gave yourself a 9.99, you gave yourself a 10.
Omit, you gave yourself an 8, you gave yourself 8.5 face.
I would say 4.755 for you.
Anya, what did I rate you last time?
Do you recall?
6.57, I think.
Okay.
Sounds right.
Oh, I think at this point.
What did you rate yourself?
You said 4?
Or what did you say?
For 4 body, 5 face.
5 face.
I forgot what.
I forgot what I rated you.
I think.
What did I rate you last time?
6.57.
Like 6.5 dash.
I'd give you 6.7.
6 to 7.
You.
You rated your face 9.
I would.
And I have no filler or Botox.
3.754.
You.
What did you rate yourself?
I said I think I had a.
I don't know.
In California, I'm a four.
Or excuse me, I think 3.5.
In Mississippi, I'm a six.
I'd say three.
I'll go ahead with Mississippi six.
California, I'm a little no.
Look, you and me, we suffer from the same problem.
And this isn't directed as an insult.
I think you have, like, your base face has some strike.
I shouldn't say that has some positive aesthetic components to it.
But you and me, we're both, you know, we got it.
We're a little chubby, you know?
So I think when you're chubby, again, not saying that as an attack, but that's going to have an impact on your facial aesthetics, your facial attractiveness, facial puffiness, and it is going to have an impact on facial ratings.
So I think I'd say 4.25, I want to say.
You.
hmm uh no i i'm not gonna go like into giving positives and negatives um Can you scoot into the table just a little bit just so I can see in the thing?
You have very strong feminine dimorphism.
So you have very, which is a positive thing.
You have a.
The fuck is that?
So like for example, she has more softer features, I would say, which is like a woman can be beautiful but have like more sharp strike, sharper angular features, but she has a more like and but that tends to be a more like trait that is appreciated in men.
So she has strong feminine dimorphism, which means a bit more softer features, I guess you could say, which is not a bad thing.
It's in fact a good thing.
Anyways, I will stop pradling on here.
I think I would give you, can you look into the camera right now for me?
I'm looking in the monitor here.
I think I'd give you like a six.
What about the fact that she's a ginger and so has no soul?
Well, it makes her rare.
Yeah, it makes me the rare.
It makes her rare.
And she has pretty straight, you have like a...
Does that mean you can sell them without having like any emotional consideration if they have no soul?
So...
What the fuck?
Yeah, just saying.
That's what they did to the Irish.
True.
What color are your eyes?
They're like hazel.
Yeah.
Yeah, striking hazel eyes.
So, yeah, I think six, 6.5 is a good.
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Andrew, of course, gets a 10.
And again, I give myself a 4.5.
Call me a 10 at the table.
Here's what we're going to do.
We have the rapid fire segment.
We have the rapid fire question segment.
I'll wait until that girl returns, I guess, and then we'll do that.
We have two super chats.
Anya's smile carried the whole show.
Sorry, Andrew, but your appearance didn't hold the viewers.
It was the smile.
Okay.
Anya, speaking of, can I have you read this one?
Sympathies, Brian.
Not an easy job.
Chair three is bad faith farming this, trying to avoid committing to views.
That's true.
Would be far more interesting to hear the views of others on the panel, the ones that flew out here.
True.
True.
Yeah.
Thank you, Nixian.
I do appreciate your super chat.
I just happened to be in town for work.
That's why I came here.
I honestly don't think I would have just flown out for this podcast, though.
Okay, Anya, what about you?
Oh, sorry.
Can you read this?
That's why I'm not sure.
For fuck's sake, stop letting the TPUSA reject Dom the Convo.
She's actually outperforming the femme doms by trolling this whole time.
Don't let Andrew 1v1 her.
I don't want her to read his opit afterwards or anyone reading mine after watching it.
If needing ad revenue this bad, get out of California.
I've told you this many times.
Come to Florida.
Oh, I agree.
You should come to Miami.
Yes, I've told you many times.
Unless you are scared of debating a bunch of feisty Latinos that are very, very, you know, culturally and socially conservative, but also have a mouth on them.
Yeah, right.
I've been down there debating them all the time on Fresh and Fit.
They're nothing.
The Santa Barbara girls are way more brutal.
Way more brutal.
No shade.
Wait, really quick.
No shade.
No shade to Fresh and Fit.
But like when you get the California like feminist college, college liberal chicks, they present way more like, again, no shade of freshness.
I'm not.
But but yeah, like this idea that like the panelists in Miami are going to be better.
No.
Well, it depends what you mean by bad.
It's the purpose of your show.
I get it.
But for disagreement, way better here.
Yeah.
We got the California West Coast lips.
In Miami, you got the moderate.
Traditional Cuban women, man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Traditional Cuban women.
They'd come on and be like, you need to shut your mouth.
That's what they would say to you.
They'd be like, you need to shut your mouth, you feminist nonsense.
You're feminist nonsense.
They do the finger wagging shit.
No, no.
I would never tell anybody to shut their mouth, but we do speak.
I didn't say you would.
Yeah.
I said they would tell you to do that.
Oh, Tommy.
You think so?
Yeah, I think so.
Maybe we should have a host.
The Cuban conservative women out there, that'd be funny.
Andrew, do you still want the 1v1 with our homegirl our homegirl?
Yeah.
All right.
I think you might blow your head off.
We'll figure it out after the show.
I think you might blow your head off after.
Oh, no, Andrew's.
Well, here's the thing.
Just to, you know, since it's public right now, when I was writing back and forth, and I think it was with Nathan that I was chatting back and forth, or it was with you.
Okay, well, you know, you mentioned if you get invited back, then travel accommodation.
I will do that.
I will come back.
Did I say that?
Yes.
I have the screenshots.
You get a lot of engagement.
And so I will come back, but my time is valuable.
And I'm here because I would say that.
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Time's not valuable.
I was originally.
You're a TPUS.
It's not valuable.
Why do you always have to make it about you?
I'll be happy to come, but travel accommodations are.
Can you guys not afford that?
I don't know.
I feel like you might have to.
I won't even take a speaker session.
I flew all the way out because of accommodations have to be paid for.
Yeah.
That's the.
I mean, look, people are going to criticize.
Look, life's not fair.
But life's not fair.
Look, some people get a little scared of that.
I think that just means you're scared to have me back on.
I'm happy.
I'm happy to be back on.
Do you agree to come back on?
Yes.
Okay, we'll figure it out.
We'll talk after the show.
But anyways, that can be figured out after the show.
Fantastic.
We're getting into our final segment.
I'll make a special trip for the debate for that.
Yeah.
Come on.
Wait, I almost feel like we should.
You and her three days.
Three days.
Okay, that does have to be compensated, not just travel.
I'm messing around.
I'm not messing around.
Okay.
Name three countries besides the USA.
Oh, Lord.
Starting with you.
Okay.
And nobody can repeat.
Starting with you.
Go ahead.
Quick.
I'm trying to wrap here, so just into the mic, into the mic, into the mic.
China, Mexico.
Europe.
Oh, no, sorry.
That's.
Nobody help.
Nobody's allowed to help.
Brazil?
No, sorry, that's not a country.
That is not a country.
That is a country.
Canada, Colombia, Thailand.
Venezuela, Peru, Ecuador.
Japan, France, Australia.
Ukraine, Russia, and Poland.
Belarus, Slovakia, Estonia.
Indonesia, Germany, Ireland.
Kazakhstan.
Hungary.
And Canada.
Canada.
Nobody said United States, so United States.
I'm going to take that one.
I think you said besides the United States.
Oh, besides the United States, goddamn it.
Scotland, Afghanistan, Iraq.
Dope.
How many continents?
Now, some of these I'm just going to point to you, and it's not everyone's going to answer.
How many continents are there?
I think six to seven.
Six, seven.
Six, seven.
Six to seven.
All right.
You're going around the table.
We're going to start over here.
Name one continent you can't repeat.
Asia.
Yep, next.
Africa.
Yep.
South America.
North America.
Or that's North America.
There are seven continents.
Europe.
UK.
But that's part of Europe.
Did we say Europe?
Yep.
No, you got to say that.
No, Europe wasn't said yet.
Okay, Europe.
Russia.
I honestly don't know.
Everybody took my answers.
I don't know anymore.
Antarctica.
Oh, I honestly, I'm not good at geography.
I don't know.
Oh, okay.
Wait, you're not good at geography?
No, I'm not.
Okay, what two for you?
Just to pick on you.
What two countries border the USA?
No help.
Mexico and Hawaii?
No.
Yes, you are correct.
Hawaii is the country that borders the good British class.
Yes, let's go.
That was good.
That was good.
Here, try again.
Try again.
Mexico and no help.
You got this.
I believe in you.
You got this.
Hey!
She just gave it to her.
She didn't even hear me.
Yeah, right.
China.
China.
We share a land border with China.
You can learn some of that.
It's actually the Great Wall of China.
That's what goes between it.
So you named one, which you said Mexico, correct?
Correct?
Yes.
Is Mexico up or down?
It's down.
Okay.
What's above us?
Antarctica.
What else is above us?
Sorry.
Well, I guess it depends like orientation or whatever.
But what country is above us?
Canada.
Did you find it?
I said A. That's a hint.
All right.
How many states are in the USA for you?
Me.
50.
Okay.
What is the capital of the USA?
Washington, D.C.
Okay.
Name three U.S. states.
Oh, that's not fair to ask.
The Canadian?
I swear.
California, Ohio, and Frank.
New York.
Going around the table, now this will get progressively a bit harder.
Starting with you, name two countries in Europe.
France and Germany.
Can't repeat.
Go ahead.
England and Ireland.
Yep.
Yeah.
Spain and oh, Hungary.
Russia, Belarus.
Switzerland and Ukraine.
France and Greece.
Yeah, we already said France.
Oh, Greece and Sweden.
Portugal, Slovakia.
I don't know.
I had a coach as my teacher.
He really wasn't teaching us much, but I mean, I should have learned more.
Have you been to Europe?
No, I've only left the country one time this last December.
I went to Thailand.
Name two countries in Asia.
Vietnam and Thailand.
What about you?
Did we say Poland yet?
No, Germany and Poland.
I said Germany.
Okay.
It gets harder as we go.
Okay.
How many planets are in our solar system?
That's a good one.
I knew you were going to get me with how many planets.
I believe it was nine, and I think they don't include Pluto anymore.
If you go far enough north, like, don't you get to the other side?
You get to, yeah, so she could just name anything south of Mexico, too.
If we're including Canada.
But then at that point, does navigation, like direction, just mean nothing?
Oh, God.
Yeah.
Like, what is west?
Well, I mean, if you skip the whole middle section to get to Canada, I feel like it doesn't.
But okay, Andrew, the frame.
Hold on.
The framing would be like this.
New York is technically west of California.
Yeah.
Yeah, if you went all the way around.
So it would, like, yes, technically it's true, but it, you know, it's like.
Yeah, but I feel like if you see, if you can just skip one and then say, well, technically Canada is north, then if I'm like, I could just skip it then and be like, well, technically New York's west, right?
The question does say directly.
Directly.
I think directly would seem to suggest even if there wasn't directly section.
Even if there was no directly, I think the question would still.
Anyways, whatever.
How many months are in a year?
12.
How many hours are in a day?
24.
How many minutes are in an hour?
How many?
60.
How many seconds are in a minute?
60.
How many sides does a triangle have?
Sides?
Three.
Into the mic.
What do you call a shape with five sides?
A pentagon.
What do you call a shape with eight sides?
Octagon.
What country gifted the Statue of Liberty to the USA?
France.
You are correct.
What gas do humans breathe to survive?
Oxygen.
We will accept it.
What organ pumps blood through your body?
It pumps blood near your heart.
Nice.
What continent is Brazil in?
South.
Sorry.
South America.
Huh?
Yes.
South America.
You are correct.
What country, excuse me, what continent is Egypt in?
Dang, I don't even know this one.
Tilt your mic down a little bit.
I said, I don't even know this one.
You got this.
You got this, girl.
I got this, girl.
Yeah.
I mean, it's in the Middle East, but I don't know if that's like the formal name.
Is it, though?
Africa.
It's like right in the middle of all three of them.
It's right in the middle of all three of them, but technically it's on the continent of the five.
Did somebody say it?
Yeah, I said Africa.
What continent is Japan in?
Asia.
How many dimes make a dollar?
Into the mic, please.
Sorry.
What is the capital of France?
Capital of France.
Paris?
Final answer?
Yeah.
You are correct.
What is the capital of Japan?
Tokyo.
You are correct.
What country is immediately south of the United States?
Mexico?
You are correct.
There we go.
What is 1,000 divided by 10?
100.
If today is Monday, what day is it in three days?
Thursday.
You are correct.
If you have three quarters, how much money do you have?
75 cents.
I shouldn't ask the sex workers this.
How many people?
We are not being paid in coins.
How many legals make a dollar?
What is 50% of 200?
100.
What is 10% of 100?
10.
What is 5 times 5?
25.
Twelve divided by three.
Oh, four.
Sorry.
36.
I think we know.
36?
I think she's going to be a little bit more than 100.
100 divided by 4.
Mike, 100 divided by 4.
Yeah.
Math was never my strong suit.
You got this.
Guess.
I know.
Well, 4 times 10.
100 divided by 4.
Yeah.
40.
No.
No, wait, no, that's not right.
100 bucks divided by 4.
Oh, 25.
Yeah.
What in the money said?
15 plus 35.
50.
And math's not my strong suit.
Wait.
You are correct.
90 minus 45.
90 minus 45.
Yeah.
Into the mic.
Oh, um, hold on.
90 minus 45.
10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5.
So 5.
I don't know, 54?
54?
45?
Three Branches Quiz00:04:36
Yep.
Stop it.
How many branches of U.S. government are there?
Three.
Final answer.
You are correct.
Yeah.
Name one branch of the U.S. government for you?
One branch.
Judicial?
Correct.
Name another branch?
Congress?
The name of it, though?
I don't remember.
Legislative.
That's what I was going to say.
What's the other last branch?
There's three.
Judicial, legislative, and not supreme.
Supreme leader, Trump.
No, I was thinking Supreme Court, but that's not.
That's not it.
Legislative, judicial.
I remember this in eighth grade, but it never stuck, I guess.
So brutal to do this as the final questions, too.
Green seven.
No, we weren't going to be a good person.
I'm sorry.
It's already fraud.
We may need to like sound like Iliado.
It's executive.
I'll just.
Do you want to take a crack at it?
I don't know the answer.
It's executive.
The executive branch.
Who is the executive branch?
What document?
What document begins with we the people?
The Bill of Rights.
The what?
The Bill of Rights, the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights that precedes it.
How many stars are on the U.S. flag?
I'm going to pick on the Canadian.
52.
No.
Isn't it?
No.
Erroneous.
She's connected.
Erroneous.
I had to pick on her.
How many is 50?
50.
Oh, crap.
What century are we in?
The 2000, not the 20th century, the 2026.
Yeah, 20th century.
21st?
Are we busy?
Yes.
21st century.
Okay.
What galaxy do we live in?
I gotta pick on you.
The Milky Way.
Oh, shit.
She got it.
It had to do with milk or something.
I don't know.
Ah, she got it.
Okay.
How many in one dozen?
12.
She eats raw eggs.
Of course she knows about a dozen.
Of course she knows about a dozen.
How many months?
How many months?
Ooh, this is a good one.
Hmm.
Who gets my wrath right now?
Yeah, you.
Yeah, you.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, this is so much fun.
Oh, yeah.
How many months in a decade?
How many months in a decade?
Okay, so decade's 10 years.
So that's what, 120?
12 times?
She did get it.
Congratulations.
Quick moment.
You got it correct.
What year was the U.S. founded?
Back to you again.
1776.
What country did the U.S. gain its independence from?
Mike, Texas.
What?
I'm trying to.
I'm just joking, I'm joking, I'm joking.
What country?
What country did we gain our independence from?
You know, World War.
You know, Germany was Germany.
You know, those French from the oppressive Japanese.
It was from the oppressive Japanese.
Was it Great Britain?
Yes.
You are correct.
What?
How many inches in a foot?
What country is the Great Wall of China in?
You got this.
No help.
Why are you, wait, why are you counting?
China.
Okay, she got it.
She knew that.
She was trolling.
Who was the first president of the USA?
You?
George Washington.
Chopping down the cherry tree.
Okay.
How many seasons are there?
There are four seasons.
How many days in a year?
Randrean's 65 and Olipier, 66.
Well done.
How many letters in the alphabet?
26.
How many...
Wait, are you sure?
Yeah.
You are correct.
How many days of the week end with the letter Y?
Dpg's Legend00:02:33
Seven?
Yeah, she got it.
She got it.
What language do the people in Idaho speak?
You in the corner?
English.
English.
Holy dog, they speak Chinese.
God damn it.
DP.
Oh, DPG.
Wait, I recognize your name, man.
Where you been?
Hey, yo, thank you for the 20 gifted.
Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait.
Hold on.
Whoa.
Oh, my goodness.
How did I miss this?
Holy shit.
Wait.
200 gifted subs.
This man is on fire.
Wait, pull up, can you pull up the Twitch tab really quick?
Guys, we have a few more questions.
We're almost here at the end.
Guys, go to Twitch.
guy 200 subs that's like that's over a thousand bucks bro You're a fucking legend.
You're a fucking legend, dude.
Thank you so much for your support.
DPG is great.
Did he used to go buy jungle?
Yeah, that's jungle.
That's jungle, right?
Jungle F, man.
Wait, keep it up really quick.
Guys, if you're on Twitch, you know, look, DPG is a fucking legend, but we still need your support over there on Twitch.
I need three prime subs.
I need three prime subs.
Show some support, guys.
This is a very involved production, very time-intensive, money-intensive to run the show.
Just show some support.
Drop as a follow.
Drop as a prime sub.
It helps me produce this.
It helps me put on the show.
So show some love, guys.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you, everybody.
Follows.
Thank you for the subs, guys.
Appreciate it.
Damn, that's crazy.
DPG, you're a fucking legend, sir.
Okay.
Getting back to the questions.
What ocean is California next to you?
Pacific.
Congratulations.
How many years are in a decade?
10.
How many are in a century?
100.
If a dozen eggs costs $3, how much is each egg?
Just because I'm bad at math.
Sort of, kind of.
What was it?
$3 an egg?
What did you?
If a dozen eggs cost $3, how much is each egg?
A dozen?
They each cost $3 each dozen.
How much is a dozen?
$12.
Yeah.
So if a dozen eggs cost $3, how much is each egg for one egg?
$12 divided by 3.
So the whole dozen is $3.
So $12 divided by three.
Right?
No.
Yeah.
Four.
Per egg, he says.
Each Egg Is Four Dollars00:06:13
Four.
Wait, what?
Four what?
Four what?
Per egg.
Each egg is four dollars, but the whole egg.
I'm not helping her.
Play the crickets.
You got this.
Come on.
How much for egg?
How much is each egg?
Don't make me press a button.
I want to say four cents, but I don't think that's.
Four cents?
No.
Damn, those are good prices.
Where do you find your eggs?
Damn.
Shit, hook it up.
Not in California.
Hook up Rod.
Yeah, I know where to get good eggs.
You got the hookup?
I do.
I know.
You probably have a parking lot.
She's got the chicken.
She's got a chicken coop, probably.
Okay.
What is the closest star to Earth for you?
Vega?
Huh?
Vega?
What?
Huh?
V-E-G-A Vega?
Yeah, I don't know.
Vega is a star, though.
It's not Vega.
Okay, so I stare at it.
We'll look at it every day.
Okay.
It's pretty close.
No helping.
Sorry.
Okay, I want to...
I don't know.
What do you think?
Son.
Okay.
Do you know what year the War of 1812 started?
1812.
Congratulations.
What country is the Panama Canal in?
Country?
Yeah.
I want to.
Country.
I was going to say.
Is it in the.
I don't know if it's the.
Because I'm thinking what continent?
Is it Africa?
Is it in?
It could be Africa.
Could be Europe.
No, it's.
Could be.
But it's.
You said country.
It's in the U.S. You said country, not continent.
No, I know.
I'm just saying.
But it's on it could be a country within those continents.
I think it's it.
I know.
I think it's in Africa, but I'm trying to think of what country it is.
Specifically.
So the okay.
So if the Panama Canal is in Egypt, which country is the Suez Canal in?
I don't know.
Is it in Panama?
No.
Is the Suez Canal in Panama?
Are you giving me a clue?
Yeah.
Yes.
Yes.
If the Panama Canal is in Egypt, what country is the Suez Canal in?
Wait, is that Suez Canal?
I think you're confusing her more.
Yeah.
What country is the Panama Canal in?
Panama, I don't know.
Yes.
You are correct.
What is 34 plus 66?
34 plus 66.
Yeah.
Can I use my fingers?
You don't got that many fingers.
I guess you do got that many fingers.
She does.
Are you counting 98?
Yeah, yes.
What is 34 plus 66?
Oh, I thought you said 33.
Sorry.
Wait, 98?
What did you say?
34?
34 plus 66.
Before you answer, what's your answer?
99.
104?
104?
What's your answer?
100.
You are correct.
It's okay.
You guys, what?
Where did the attack on Pearl Harbor take place?
Pearl Harbor.
Actually, correct.
I would have accepted Hawaii, but Pearl Harbor is acceptable.
What country, or hold on.
What is 100 minus 66?
44?
34.
There you go.
What country did the Vietnam War happen in?
Asia.
That is a continent.
What country, though?
Oh.
Microphone.
A little closer.
Vietnam.
I got some fucking genius IQ here.
Oh my God, these girls are really doing really good.
Okay.
What is 100 minus 34?
You.
66?
Yes.
You are correct.
Who is the current U.S.?
Do I pick on the Canadian?
I think everyone knows.
Who is the current U.S. president?
Oh, my God.
I don't know.
Wait, Who is the current U.S. president?
Hold on.
I don't know.
Yes, you do.
It wasn't Joe Biden.
It was.
Okay, so I think it might be Trump now, right?
Okay.
Yes.
Okay.
I don't even know who the prime minister is right now.
I'm not going to lie.
Name the last three U.S. presidents.
Okay.
Not excited.
Trump.
He counts, right?
Yeah.
And who was before Trump?
Obama.
Congratulations.
77 Plus 3300:04:21
What is 77 plus 33?
100.
Go eat some rummy 77 plus 33.
100?
77 plus 33.
Oh, fuck.
I should have.
No, maybe she got it right.
I'm just asking other people.
Oh, 110?
10.
What do you?
11?
Oh, no, 110.
What are you guys doing?
Fucking mad?
That's just crazy.
Oh, crazy.
All right.
If you were born 10 years ago, how old would you be today?
10 years ago, I'm 32, so I'd be 22.
Oh, 32, so I'd be 22.
Oh, if I was born 10 years ago.
Say, repeat your question.
I already said it.
Maybe you should have been paying better attention.
Oh, I was laid back here, but go ahead.
What was your question?
What was it?
Can you repeat the answer that you gave?
If I had been born 10 years ago, what age would I be?
Yeah, today.
But like, so you're 32, so.
22.
Yeah, so if you were, sorry, you're 32 or you're 32.
So if you were born 10 years ago, you'd be 22.
Yeah.
10 years.
Oh, 10 years ago, with 10 years less.
No, 10 years ago, I would be.
Let's see, that would be, we're in 2026.
I would have been born in 2016.
At 2016, I was actually, that was the year I graduated college.
So I was, yeah, 22 years old.
Objection.
I can't tell.
What was your final answer?
Wait, wait, wait.
Say that again?
I can't tell you.
So final answer, 22.
If I had been born 10 years ago, I would be 10 years old.
Thanks.
It's a seven-hour podcast.
Yeah.
But yeah.
Good, good, good.
Gotcha.
I know that's the one clip you're going to play out of all this.
Oh, there's plenty of clips, don't worry.
No, I bet this is the one that does it for you.
Yeah.
Well, I think this is the one.
It's the first one that's going to come.
Doubt it.
How many world wars?
Can you name me the four cycles of the women's menstrual cycle still?
Because this is still a dating podcast and you still haven't been in the world.
You know what's funny?
She's upset that I'm asking these questions, but she asked me, she asked me the thing about the four phases.
It was a big gotcha.
Oh, Brian, you didn't know the four phases.
Yeah, it's essential to being a woman, and this is a dating podcast.
I might be wrong.
Do you know the three phases of the man?
I was going to say, I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure men go through corrosive.
It doesn't exist.
Yeah, you didn't have to go through a 24 hours.
You didn't even know how long it takes for a man to show me where the clitoris is.
I'm lost.
I don't know what to think.
No, but you didn't even know how long it takes for a man to reproduce their own sperm for procreation.
And this is, again, a dating podcast.
And so I feel like I know more about it.
Well, it's a dating podcast, right?
There's nothing more essential to being a woman than their cycle.
Sexual health issues.
You could just model it.
You could have Googled it in this entire time since the first time I asked you.
Do you know what the four are?
Don't really care.
Oh, I'm sure you don't care.
Don't really have a relationship, though.
Why?
Why do they need to?
Why does it have to?
I mean, it doesn't have to, but it does affect for a more successful relationship.
Wait, wait, wait.
I'm still finishing up the questions.
Hold on.
Because I'm on my period.
We're going to not be pissed off.
We could just not be pissed off.
Let me, before we get sidetracked with the ludiol phase, what is it called?
What is the ladyal phase?
That's one of them.
Before we get sidetracked with that, I'll finish up the questions.
Okay, if you wait, did I do this?
Oh, did I do 77 plus 33?
Yes.
Okay.
Axis vs. Allied Powers00:03:51
How many world wars were there?
Two.
You guys are correct.
Congratulations.
Going on three.
What is sixty-six plus forty-four?
A hundred and ten?
You are correct.
What decade, what decade was World.
We'll just go around the table on this.
What decade was World War I?
So let me just hear.
Let me, when I say decade, what I meant, 1840s, 1890s, 1950s.
So I'm looking for just the decade, not the years.
Pass.
Just guess.
Okay.
1880.
1880?
Okay, what about you?
Quick answers if you can.
One, maybe two.
I don't know.
1700s.
1700s, okay.
1910s.
Okay.
1810s?
Mike, Mike, Michael.
1810s.
1810s?
1910s.
1910s?
1914 through 1918.
She thinks she knows the dates.
Obviously, she might be mistaken.
1910s?
It's 1910s.
The 1910s.
What was the primary decade of World War II going this way, skipping on you?
And you can give it at the end.
Go ahead.
It's in the 1940s.
Is it before or after America entered?
Like, are we talking 1930s, pre-America, the U.S. entering?
World War II was occurring prior to America.
It was 19.
Yeah, it was.
So what primary decade of World War II?
1930s.
1940s?
1940s.
That was 19.
Sorry, what was the question?
Primary decade of World War II?
1850s, 1930s?
1940s?
Okay.
1940s.
1930s.
1940s.
1937 to 46.
A little off there.
A little bit off.
And wasn't it 38?
39 through 45, I think.
39, 39.
Okay, can you name?
Can you name one Allied power, one Axis power?
No.
What does that mean?
I'm sorry.
It's been a long time since I've been in history class.
How about this?
And this question will only be asked for two people.
That's great.
So I'll give you one Allied power and I'll give you one Axis power.
The United States was Allied.
Germany was Axis.
So I'm looking for, give me a different Allied power and a different Axis power.
Okay, a different Allied power.
Europe.
A country.
Country.
Sorry, um...
I'm scared.
One Allied power, one Axis power?
I'm not too sure.
Sorry.
It was the U.S., Great Britain, and then against Germany and Russia.
Percentage Men: 20/2000:03:07
And I don't know if you want to wait for somebody else to...
Russia was an Axis power?
No.
No, no, no, no.
It was, yeah, it was Germany against U.S. and the U.S. also was on our side.
So Allied power with Great Britain.
And which one else do you want?
Another, like one other Axis power.
Another Axis power.
Yeah, so you said Germany.
What's another Axis power?
Italy.
We will accept that.
Can you name three Kardashians?
Kylie, Kim, and Kendall.
I think Kylie's a Jenner.
All right.
There's a few more questions, but we've gotten through those ones.
Somebody here has a list of their...
Who had the list?
I have a list.
It's called List.
Yeah.
Can we give you your phone and can you read it?
The list?
Fuck, I guess.
Okay.
Let's see here.
Can you maybe Nathan can pass you your phone or something?
Let's see.
Oh, here we go.
What percentage.
Do you want to just tell us what your phone looks like?
Oh, it's got the long chain attached, the big leash.
Okay.
Here, just get that, and I'll ask this question while we're waiting.
What percentage of men do you think are over six feet?
In the world or the United States.
We can do United States.
That's fine.
Okay.
Wait, are over?
Yeah.
Okay.
Let's say 16%.
15%?
Me?
Yep.
Around the table.
I'm not sure, but I'd say 10%.
Around 10%.
10%, I'd say.
7%.
22%.
12%.
I was going to say 20.
10, I think.
Okay.
What percentage of men make at least $1 million a year, starting with you?
I'm curious, what was the number?
What was the percentage?
It's about 15.
Go ahead.
Gotcha.
1%.
5%.
Oh, over a million.
It's in the 1% and up.
Like 2%, maybe.
1%.
0.01%.
5%.
5%.
I'd say 1%.
1%.
What percent of men have yachts?
What is the answer on that one?
Yeah.
It's less than 1%.
For the previous question.
What percentage of men have yachts?
0.3%.
0.5%.
0.5%.
20%.
3%.
Sorry, what?
20?
20.
20% of men have yachts.
20% of men have yet to be.
I like yellow.
But they're not even millionaires.
Roster of Rich Yachtsmen00:04:50
I like her answer.
They can get a loan.
You are from Florida.
There's a lot of yacht owners in Florida.
Yeah.
Still, that's less than 1%.
Like under 5%?
Less than 1%.
0.0001.
0.3%.
I was going to say 0.007.
Show of hands.
Who keeps a list of all the men that you've been with?
Like her?
Anybody keep a list on your phone?
You know, like a guy might have a list.
Becky, Gertrude.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
I just like to have a lot of people.
I've got a thing for her, grandma.
Do we have your phone?
Do we have her phone?
Okay, while you're pulling that up, the question.
I'm a Israel tag team guy.
I'm going to feel really bad if I left anyone out on this list.
They could be watching and be really upset.
Who here has ever had a roster?
Who's had a roster?
Show them.
A roster meaning a group of men dating multiple people.
Or dating.
It could be dating, yeah.
I've had a roster.
How big was the roster?
Oh, just probably like two or three at the same time.
How big was the roster?
Three.
Roster.
Three.
Three.
Roster.
No.
Okay.
Have you ever.
I'll answer this one.
Have you ever slept with someone the same day you met them?
Yeah.
I have.
I have not done this.
No, no.
Dirty War.
Yes.
Anya, Cap.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yes.
I said no last time.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yes.
Absolutely.
Okay, do you have your list?
I have my list.
All right.
Just first names.
I don't know if you have like.
Yeah, no, first names.
Just first names.
We're really, we're going to, we're going to do this.
Yeah, just a little fun segment.
Go ahead.
Okay.
Cock, I'm definitely, I know I'm missing like a few on here.
I feel bad.
Just go ahead.
Just go ahead.
Yeah, sucks to suck.
Okay.
It starts with my first boyfriend.
Julian, Kevin, Cisco, Mike, Levi, Alex, slash with my roommate at the time, Kylie.
Michael, Josh, Dalton, Sean, Ross, George, Ruben, Jake, Mal, which is a threesome with my ex Josh.
Lena, a threesome with my ex, Josh.
Mike, Gil, worst act of my life.
Tom, Bregan, Audrey, which was a female, Lucas, Andrew, Lucas, and Natalie, Chase, Johan, Adam, Danny, Daniel, Dean, Lucas.
Oh.
There's two guys in here.
Those were like kind of like a not threesome, but like back to, it was weird.
Kantari, Aaron, Nate, Bones, Chance, Lance.
So I did put some clients in here.
I did put a couple.
23-year-old client.
Client.
Bobby, Nico, Kenton, Rob, Jay, Mike, Ducky.
Ducky.
Yeah.
Tony and Monica.
Apollo, Aaron, Chris, John, JC, William.
There was a guy that we all said.
We tag teamed together, but he's that's it.
Oh, that's it?
Okay.
That's it.
There's like a few missing in there.
Congrats.
Thank you.
What did we like about this list?
I love it.
Anything?
Some of you here has had a threesome.
I've not had a threesome.
I only like to disappoint one woman.
Let's see here.
That's why the women have each other.
Anybody done like foursome plus?
I've been in a group situation.
Okay.
Anyone had a ho-phase?
It's okay.
Be proud.
We out here.
So proud.
Currently.
I've had a lot of time.
I've had a ho-phase a little bit.
No?
Okay.
Has anyone here hooked up with two guys in a 24-hour period?
The show.
Okay.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sure.
Yeah.
No.
No.
Really?
Yes, really.
No.
Okay.
For those of you who said.
How about your birthday party?
Wait, hold on, hold on.
Oh, I guess my birthday party.
Patriarchy and Prejudice00:05:15
Objection, irrelevant.
Objection, irrelevant.
All right, take it back.
It's a yes.
Just show of hands again.
Who said yes to that one?
It was you, you, you, and you?
Okay, um, three guys in a 24-hour period?
Uh, I think two.
It was just within 24 hours.
Okay, three.
I'm ashamed of this, but yeah.
Closer to the mic.
Closer to the mic, please.
Yeah, sadly.
Just straight into the mic.
I don't know if there's room to scoot your chairs in.
Okay.
Three guys in 24 hours?
I don't think it was.
I know I had sex with two people at my birthday party, and they were both my friends with benefits.
But I don't remember if I had sex with a third person, like with, well, penetrative sex.
Gotcha.
Okay.
All right.
How many in a seven-day period?
What's the most in a seven-day period?
Probably three.
Three?
Okay.
Three.
Three.
Yeah.
One.
I did have two.
Wait, didn't you do two in the 24?
No.
Oh, okay.
I got mixed up.
I did have two boyfriends at once because I am polyamorous, so I would say two.
Okay.
Can you be racist towards can black people be racist towards white people?
Yes.
Anybody like disagree with that?
I think they could be prejudice.
But not racist?
No.
So prejudice.
Okay.
Very ignorant.
Yeah, but in prejudice, but not necessarily racist.
So a black person could not be.
Can we just whoever's talking?
Can a black so a black person can't be racist towards a white person?
Could they be racist towards other races?
Yeah.
If I go to Africa, can black people be racist towards me?
I think they could be prejudiced, not necessarily racist.
Even though they have systemic power.
What?
Because your argument is black people can't be racist in this country because they're not systemically oppressed.
They usually don't treat white people like that in Africa when they visit.
What do you mean, treat them like that?
There's some countries if you go to as a white person, you'd be killed.
Really?
Yeah.
Yes.
Definitely like certain tribes in certain African countries, they'll just kill you because reasons.
I think that like they'll even kill like albino black people.
Wow.
Yeah.
Harvest them for reasons.
Anyways, anyways, I don't have time to linger on that.
Are men the problem?
Do men suck?
For what?
Men are the main problem.
As the leaders, you did lead yourselves into that.
Okay.
Men-led.
Well, it's a patriarchy.
They're the ones in charge, so they're...
We don't really have a...
I don't think we have a patriarchy at this point.
Highly disagree.
Highly disagree.
I believe we are in a patriarchy.
The president is a man.
The majority of the cabinet are men.
Majority of Congress are men.
Senate, majority are men.
We're being led by men.
Matter of fact.
Yeah, I mean, if I may, I don't think it's a matter of men so much as it is just objectively bad people, however you want to call it.
And it's been interesting, too, talking about voting and voting rights.
I mean, I'm of the perspective voting doesn't really matter.
You can be an illegal immigrant or you can be dead and you can cast a vote.
And you can cast a vote 50 freaking times.
So, yeah, I don't know.
It's all kind of a joke.
And I don't think it's these men on the top of it.
It's more likely to be a whole bunch of lizards.
Yeah.
Are they male lizards, though, or female lizards?
Do men suck?
They are probably non-binary.
Do men suck?
That's what they do.
All men suck or men suck.
Do men suck?
Yeah.
I guess that would be a general statement.
All men don't suck.
I agree.
But would you say most men suck then?
Most men suck.
Yeah.
Most men suck.
Sometimes.
Sometimes most men suck.
Are men trash or are most men trash?
Most men are trash.
Most men are trash.
No, I don't think most men are trash.
I don't think most men are trash.
What do you think?
I wouldn't call them trash, but I don't really align with them sometimes and their values.
But I have called them trash in the past.
Yeah.
If you could snap your finger and all men disappeared and say women could reproduce, so it wouldn't be the end of the species.
Women could just reproduce without men, however that might possibly be, would you do it?
No, I love men.
Even though they're trash.
Just kidding, right?
I love men, even though most of them suck.
High Standards, Low Excuses00:06:45
What about you?
Snap your fingers, all men disappear?
No.
Anybody take that?
Do you take that?
No.
Okay.
All right.
You're not genocidal, at least.
I guess that's good.
Is this going to be a 10-hour one again?
No, we're pretty much here at the tail end.
Okay.
What are we at?
Nah, nah, definitely not.
Definitely not.
I mean, that's pretty much it for my questions.
There's some remaining notes from some of you.
So I guess we can blast through those super quick.
There's really not too much left.
I genuinely just excuse myself.
I have to drive.
LA.
Yeah.
Yeah, me too.
It's like a two-hour drive down.
Okay.
I mean, if anybody, there are some of you who do have some remaining notes.
If you guys want to try to make it here, I'm pretty sure we'll get this done within 10-15 minutes.
So if you guys want to be good sports, stay till the end.
I do, to be fair, I do understand it has gone late.
Okay, Kayla, Dung, Drianna, Driana.
Drianna.
I don't know if we have time to get into your notes, but I welcome it.
All right.
Mary Jane.
Yes.
Let's move on in.
Okay, OF model, go-go dancer.
Single.
You're single, but you own a sex slave.
Yes.
We talked about that.
Crazy shit.
Countless, honestly.
Most recently, you took a very sexy skip.
When is the right time to have sex when dating somebody?
A question you contemplate a lot as a woman with a high sex drive, but also high standards.
I want to, I feel like I'm going to move people around a little bit.
Do you want to sit in chair one?
Sure.
Let me have you in chair one, and then I guess we'll just keep it as is.
When is the right time?
So, okay, what's your thoughts on that?
So for me, it's complicated because I do have a high sex drive, but I also value myself as a high-value woman.
And I tend to try to wait to have sex with someone new that I'm dating.
But, you know, sometimes chemicals, like the chemistry, like gets really intense and you are overcome by sexual desire.
But I'm constantly going back and forth of like, okay, I should just have sex when I want to and when it feels right.
But at the same time, I think, well, maybe I should wait because if I have sex too early, that communicates that I'm easy or that the, yeah, just that I'm easier, that I'm not as a high-value woman in the eyes of men.
Okay.
So you said you had high standards.
Yes.
What are you really quickly?
Just maybe you could list three.
What are your high standards?
I would say honesty, great communication, and let's see.
Just somebody that has their life put together.
You know, they have a job, they have a home, a car.
Okay.
Well, you wanted to weigh on this topic.
Like, if I recall, like, when is the right time to have sex with someone you're dating?
Is that right?
I mean, I can weigh on it.
I don't remember specifically saying that.
But I recall you wrote something about it.
Perhaps.
Like, do you wait to have sex?
Yeah, definitely.
I mean, I think there definitely is an appeal to waiting till marriage and to doing that.
But I think ultimately it's for each person to decide.
And of course, being in a committed relationship, I think that's the ideal way to do it.
But above all, to be ready for a moment.
Wait, you straighten your mic so it's pointing straight towards you.
But above all, lower it.
Above all, if you're going to have sex with a man as a woman, you need to be prepared for a pregnancy because that will happen from sex.
And you're against birth control?
Yes, I'm not for hormonal.
Even condoms, too, right?
Yeah.
Is there a reason for the condoms?
Just curious.
Yes, in fact, there was a 2014 Danish study done that showed over 200 different cancer-causing chemicals in condoms, and they tested over seven different brands.
Interesting.
Okay.
Didn't know that.
So you're pro-life.
You believe life begins at conception.
Okay.
And even though you write, even though you have these conservative beliefs, you don't associate modesty with morality.
Okay.
You write, you don't think women need to dress in a certain way to be more virtuous and that bodies are not inherently sexual.
Yeah, I think in the right environments.
I mean, obviously, if you take the average Joe off the street, you're not going to be able to put him in a naturalist environment where people are naked and not have him go a little bit loony-toons.
Okay.
All right.
I don't really have much to push back on there.
But in terms of the, I think you didn't say anything about like the waiting for sex thing.
I don't know.
I think I might have mentioned something that if you're going to have sex, you should be prepared for a pregnancy.
Oh, yeah.
You know, have some plan and communication for if that's going to happen.
That's fair.
That's fair.
Okay.
Let's see.
Mia?
Yeah.
Mia, there we go.
You think you wrote that you think the world isn't.
Wait, no.
You wrote, I think if you think the world isn't equal and men have the upper hand, that you're just working the wrong job.
What do you mean by that?
Quick answer.
So I think a lot of women like to argue that men have the higher paying jobs and men have the benefit in the world of like we don't get paid as much or whatever.
Like it's an equal, unequal rights of or unequal payment in their jobs.
But I just think maybe if they chose a different job, I'm not saying necessarily that they should be sex workers or anything like that.
I'm just saying if they choose a different job, it might not be the case, is all I'm saying.
Okay, you also wrote just the fact of being mischievous or doing the same thing guys do, but as a girl, how it's really no different.
How you don't think that God shames sex workers because you feel like God is giving you everything.
I think he's given me the like he did bless, like he is the creator of all, I think.
Including being a sex worker.
Not necessarily, like technically, I guess he's some insulting.
Because you write, you think he blesses you with everything in life.
I think that he's given all choices and opportunities to come your way.
Bowing and Opportunities00:07:41
Yeah.
But haven't you had opportunities related to sex work?
Yes, that's okay.
And so that would be due to God.
I don't think it was intentionally like he was like, okay, I'm going to give you these opportunities.
Like I want you to be sexual and I take every chance.
But I think if he was against me using my assets in that sense, I think he is able to take them away.
Okay, gotcha.
In a way.
Okay, I think that's you on you do full nudity uncensored videos.
You do BG, GG scenes.
Okay.
Let's see.
I think we just have my girl D.
So it's like Cienna.
How tall are you?
Five, six and a half.
All right.
You're Big D now.
Not like that way, but height-wise.
You're not.
I'm not calling you fat.
Okay.
She's got a Big D. Good topic.
Big D?
She has a what?
Oh, you're the energy, not like you're literally literal, like, connected to you.
Okay.
Hold on, let me check here.
Okay, wait, Mary Jane, did we finish?
Unicorn hunting, really quick.
Is that just like looking for a third for the threesome, basically?
Yes, for the threesome or for a relationship.
I'm very anti-unicorn hunting.
Okay, we have Mars.
Let me do Mars then with the Dre Big D. Drianna.
Drianna.
Yes, it's like Sienna, but with a Dre in front of you.
Driana.
Okay.
We talked about your neurodivergence.
You turn men into little bitches.
We talked about your disagreement with the type of sh.
Do we show the bow video?
Oh, no, love that.
Really quick, we'll do the bow video.
Okay, it's AI, right?
No, it's real.
100%.
No fucking.
So this is a video I took.
So Big D.
I actually, this is a video I took of my ex-girlfriend to prove.
Because I knew women would, on this podcast, would be like, there's no way girls are doing this shit.
So I took this video of my ex-girlfriend, one, to show women on the podcast just to prove it.
And then two, why are you shaking?
Of your actual girlfriend now?
Ex-girlfriend.
And then, two, I actually show this video to new girls, and I'm like, What is it of you'll see?
But I show it like as a tutorial, like I show it as a tutorial to new girls because I feel like sometimes, you know, a woman, she's drank the Kool-Aid, she's been exposed to propaganda, she just doesn't get it, right?
So, I feel like you can't blame a woman, you gotta, you gotta get her on your program, you gotta show her the ropes, you gotta, you gotta show her you gotta guide, you gotta guide, you gotta, you know, you gotta bestow knowledge.
And so, I show this as a tutorial video for all your future girlfriends, all girlfriends.
So, go ahead, pull up the video.
All right, start it from the yeah, go ahead, press play.
Boom, greets me at the door with a huge bow.
Did you see the bow?
She's got to bow.
Even if she's white, black, Latina, she has to hit a bow.
It's not a cultural Asian thing.
And then she's got my dinner ready.
Look at this.
What a great gal.
Got my dinner ready.
I like the scampering.
Scampering, very important.
Dinner ready.
Cracks open a beer for me.
I don't even drink, but I like the smell of beer.
It's weird.
And then she has to stir my noodles.
And then get ready.
As soon as it's done, Nathan, I'm going to have you press play again right now.
Just press play.
Boom.
Huge bow.
Do you see the bow?
That's the most important thing I believe.
It's not that deep of a bow, actually.
Now that we've got a lot of people.
So, sweet into the table a little bit.
I do think a woman, when I come home after a long day of podcast, when I go home, I just want a respectful bow.
Is that for me to comment on?
Honestly, I think it's kind of kinky.
Yeah, it's pretty kinky of you.
Who do you want to get commentary from?
Thank you for.
Whoa, she's kind of becoming the base submissive housewife.
You're asking for permission.
No, no, no.
I'm just wanting to let him have his moment.
Let him have his moment.
At the very end of the show.
I'll let you have your piece on it, but let me hear your thought.
What do you think?
What do you think?
On the bow in particular.
Would you bow for your boyfriend?
Yeah.
W-based.
Would you bow for your boyfriend?
Yeah.
Would you bow for your boyfriend?
I bow before the joke, but you're not, aren't you not?
I said I believe in God.
I bow before you.
But you're not like Christian, right?
I don't go to a church that's a denomination.
Nathan, can you grab me a water, please?
But yeah, I bow before God.
Would you bow for the for your man?
Bow for your man?
Yes, I would.
If I was a woman, but I mean, he'd also bow for me.
It's not.
I wouldn't bow for a woman.
You know what?
I would actually, hold on.
I would bow for the perfect woman.
Not that women would even want that, but if the trade is, Brian, you have to, once a day, you have to bow.
Woman would want their man to bow with them.
For the perfect woman.
It's a fun role reversal.
I take the trade.
Huh?
I said it's a fun role reversal, even for a day for your submissive, for your perfect submissive woman.
I'm saying even she would probably want you to bow to her, just like, just to see it.
She wouldn't, but I'm saying I would do it for the perfect woman.
I doubt that.
I don't see you bowing for any woman at all.
I think that's disingenuous of you, Brian.
There's no such thing as a per hold on.
Wait, wait, wait.
So, okay.
If the perfect woman is everything that I want, personality-wise, value-wise, looks-wise, labia-wise, what's the other thing?
The bigger the better.
And like, she's a billionaire.
Yeah.
And I just have to bow, instant, done.
The billionaires would do it.
The billionaires would do it, not everything else, though.
That's very self-interested of you, Brian.
I don't know how that's gotcha.
No, no, gotcha.
It's just, well, hey, she'd have to be.
I mean, Mackenzie Bezos, she's a bit old for me, but she can get it.
Oh, is she a billionaire?
I'm sure you'd vote for her.
Yes.
And probably a couple other millionaire wealthy women, too.
Yes.
Mackenzie Bezos, not going to lie.
Like, she can get it.
Mackenzie Bezos, she can get it.
I'll even go after the Walmart women.
They can fucking get it.
I'll go after.
I mean, I don't know, like the Rothschilds, that might be a little fucking crazy.
That might be crazy, but if they got, nah, fuck the Rothschilds.
Wait, wait, I didn't say that.
Never mind.
Cut that shit.
I know.
You're a little scared.
A little scared to say that shit, but I'm kidding.
It's a joke.
It's a joke, the Rothschilds.
Please don't fucking unalive me.
Okay, so.
But you think it's weird that I want a woman to hit a bow for me?
Is that weird?
I don't think it's weird.
I was just thinking it's a little kinky.
It's not even like a sex thing, though.
It's just like I. Kink isn't inherently sexual.
Unless you're Asian.
It is not.
Actually, I wanted to speak on this earlier, educator.
I'm pretty sure.
I am a kink educator.
I do teach workshops.
I did want to speak.
He doesn't want their ego.
I did want to speak more on this earlier.
I have had kink scenes where there is no sexuality involved.
Objection irrelevant.
Okay, very relevant.
I think all of the women have agreed among the table that you need to respect your man and the man that you're with.
And bowing is a sign of respect.
So that's a way that you show that you respect them.
Based.
Redhead.
So I show different ways of respect.
Are you a blonde?
Okay, never mind.
I tell you, whenever my husband comes home from offshore, the first thing I do is take his boots off and rub his feet.
And I think that's an equivalent to a bow.
But if he wanted me to bow, I would.
Sometimes A Guy Just Wants To Talk00:04:57
But because he deserves it.
Yeah.
And bowing, I mean, the form of it has existed more in Western culture.
I mean, it is more an Asia to bow, but then there's also the curtsy, which is kind of our equivalent.
There is a kink for a 1950s housewife, which is, I feel like you're kind of living with your partners.
Bangman.
I mean, you know, I'm more into, I feel like I'm going prehistoric with my shit.
Arguably start the Industrial Revolution because that was a huge divide from God.
Yeah.
What do you think about the Roman Empire?
The Roman Empire?
I mean, what in particular about it?
Do I think that it was an objectively good empire?
I didn't actually.
That was kind of just a meme question, but okay, because I mean, I don't.
There was a, to be frank, there was a lot of child sex slavery.
Yeah.
Whoa, hey, I didn't want to go there.
What the fuck?
And it was very unfortunate.
And a big part.
That's disavowed child sex slavery.
That's a rough slavery.
Well, that's true.
Here, going back to Homegirl over here, let's see.
Wait.
Hold on.
You went on an app called some app.
You were visiting Miami with Mary Jane, and you matched with a nice Jewish Israeli boy, and you met him for dinner, and then she joined the date, and then you tag-teamed him.
Oh, and he took us for some drinks.
He also brought a vibrator on the date, unused, still in its packaging, which he held up and was one of the reasons I was like, Yes, let's go back to the hotel room.
And then you kicked him out.
Yeah, I didn't want to fuck him, so I didn't fuck him, but it was still considered somewhat of a threesome.
I mean, because I was fucking him, and she was on a stage and we high five just the day before.
She had mentioned how she's always wanted to have a threesome and a high tie.
So the next day, I quite literally manifested us a threesome, and I look up at her and I'm like, high five.
And we high five, and then we were like, hey, we got tickets for space.
We gotta, you gotta go.
So, objection reclaiming my time.
Um, so you know, I feel like us men were the true romantics.
You just invite this guy and you tag team him, and you don't even cuddle afterwards, you just kick him out.
Like, we had a lot of people who were like, You know what?
You women, you women, all you have to do.
We spend so much time with him.
Hold on, we did spend a lot of time with him.
You, you, women, all you do is you think about sex, okay?
You guys think about one thing, and it's disgusting, okay?
I just maybe I feel objectified when I'm dating a woman.
I just frankly, I feel objectified frequently.
Sometimes a guy just wants to talk.
Why can't we just talk?
Why can't we cuddle?
Some guys like to talk about.
Well, I don't.
I don't.
I want a woman to see me for me, not just use me as meat, not just well, not never mind.
Uh, just use me in that way.
Like, I'm not a piece of meat, you know?
I'm definitely not trying to be aware of it.
I'm a human being.
I have feelings, I have emotions.
And y'all, women, y'all just be.
I don't know, man.
We got to know him super deeply.
We had really great conversations with him.
I actually debated with him about Israel because he was an IDF soul.
Do you have any comments?
Anyways, wait, that's funny.
Are you against and she's pro?
Yep.
Yeah.
That's so funny.
We get into arguments about it all the time.
Like, have sex with each other?
No, we don't actually hook up with each other.
It was a lot of fun.
We told roommate boundaries.
Yeah, we have roommate boundaries.
Oh, no.
But we do debate about it.
Sometimes a guy just wants to cuddle, you know?
Sean, y'all always trying to be if we didn't already have time to do it.
And even when we do talk, it's just about sex.
It was a time.
Sometimes a guy just wants to cuddle, you know?
It's like y'all just.
I don't even think that's what he really wants.
He definitely did not care to cuddle with us.
He actually just wanted to go out with us.
You went on an awful date with Sean the destroyer.
Craziest thing of your life.
He picked you up in a car that he told you was 125K.
He arrives in a pink shirt with guns all over it.
Clutch your pearls.
It's just an ugly.
It's just cringy and ugly.
Like, who does that?
But why was it like really quick?
Why was it crazy?
He was rude.
Candace's Candid Confessions00:07:35
Okay.
He was just a fucking crazy person.
So, first of all, I also looked to come find out that he does have a record as well.
So I'm like still down to meet this guy.
He's, I guess he's a famous MMA fighter known as the destroyer.
I don't fucking know.
But he, on the way to picking me up, he's a fucked War Machine.
What?
No, I said the Destroyer.
Oh, my God.
I was thinking of and no, he did not fuck.
Wait, Jonathan Coppin.
Wait, do you guys know who I'm talking about?
For the record.
Never mind.
I'm so sorry, Brian.
I think I'm going to head out.
Hold on.
I'm almost done.
I swear.
You said that 30 minutes ago.
No, he said that.
Dude, I almost fell asleep on my way home last time.
Sorry, I had to pull over at a Walmart and fall asleep.
That's how tired I was.
I'm so sorry.
Nope.
Not your fault.
We're almost there.
Trust me.
Give it like five to ten more minutes.
Like 8 a.m. tomorrow.
Wait, wait.
Anya, you're going to love what she's about to say, though.
Check this shit out, right, Anya.
So this is what happened, right?
Is this the same guy, Sean the Destroyer?
Should I tell the story like in a better way than I just like quickly typed it to you?
Actually, you know what?
I got to move it on for the sake of Vanya.
You know, you're being really rude right now, honestly, like making this, like dragging this podcast.
I've been trying to end this for three hours.
I understand.
And I'm trying to get my girl Anya home.
Like it's a little insensitive.
Like I've been trying to wrap.
Like all of you have been really disrespectful and rude because I've been trying to wrap this show.
I wanted this to be like a three-hour stream, but you guys have held me captive.
Like, you know, just like letting this.
No, it's not even.
Who said it?
It's not even you.
Like, I feel like you talked way too much tonight.
That was really rude of you to talk.
You talked way too much.
And you too, just a total chatterbox over there.
So rude.
Can't believe it.
That's why this podcast went so long.
But okay, final note from you.
Then we have my Big D home.
Whoa, that sounded kind of gay.
Drianna.
My Dreanna.
Like Dree Dog?
I mean, no, it's Drianna.
Sounds prettier, more elegant.
If anything, hey, I've got my necklace on that says my name.
Objection, irrelevant.
Keep going.
You can quite literally remember.
Final note.
You, and it's going to be super quick.
You had a disagreement about you wrote having disgusting anti-Semite Candace Owens on your show.
I said Candace Owens.
Yeah, you said.
Yeah, I just don't really.
I think a lot of shit she says is insane and ridiculous.
But I thought we were going to tell the good story.
Well, I mean, I was just curious.
You did write in your notes.
I would point out that when you.
I don't really have much to say about it, but this story is.
I would point out that Candace Owens came on the show.
This was like three or four.
This was like, yeah, October of 23.
We were watching it last night, and I was like, like she was still, Candace was still at the Daily Wire.
So this is before some of the, you know, and then before like the conspiracy stuff.
So, but I mean, look, is she actually, I don't even know if she's, is she an anti-Semite?
She said some pretty anti-Semitic things.
What has she?
I don't know.
I can't make an accounting of everything Candace has said, but I know she's, she does appear to be anti-Israel.
A little bit.
She's been, you look like you have a Yamaka on your head.
All right.
Well, we won't dive into that.
Yeah.
My favorite person who's ever been on the street.
So we don't get a good story.
I love that.
I really hope I've made it a lasting impression on you.
Lasting, lasting impression.
I may have to talk to a therapist after this, but I can recommend somebody.
Thank you.
There's some good ones in Miami.
Wait, are you in Miami?
All right.
You know what?
I actually need to utilize the restroom.
So I'll be back in like 45 seconds.
I thought you were.
I've been sassy tonight, so if you guys want to talk shit about me while I'm gone, I won't even be mad.
Okay, have fun.
GG.
Well played.
I just wonder if anybody's been watching this stream the whole time.
I probably is there any out there.
Yeah, I know.
Is anyone in the world?
What is your life like?
Katie, what do you hear me?
It's for somebody who watches stream for nine and a half hours.
What is your life like?
Maybe you can say in the chat.
They probably work from home.
Well, I've been saying people that used to play World of Warcraft for like 10 plus hours.
Just Asmund Gold watching it.
Yeah, they just like.
Imagine like a guy driving his truck all day, though, like having us play and just listening to us yap.
I don't know.
He could be currently working.
That's what I used to do when I was delivering pieces.
I would throw like shit like this on for 10 hours.
Oh, wow.
Just listen to it all day.
Has anybody here listened to an entire podcast of these before?
No.
For research, yes.
I've made it three.
I made it through one city.
I'm okay.
It took me a few days, though, because I'm busy.
I mean, I'm a social worker.
I'm like, do you stuff all day?
Like, never saw it.
Admittedly, I did like two minutes of research.
Like, I know everything now.
I did all my research in the last two days/slash day and a half.
Day, day and a half.
When she first shared this podcast with me, I was like, I don't think I want to do this.
I know.
All I need to tell is.
And I was like, since we are here, this is actually a pretty good opportunity to tell everybody where to find you on socials, right?
Oh, yeah.
So, start.
Okay, you can find me at Unheated Honey.
That's unheated, like it's unheated.
H-O-N-I-G.
On my IG, I am Miss.Mars with three Zs.
only fans is miss goddess mars with three z's d-o-l-l-s-c I leave for fucking two minutes.
And they're doing a fucking shameless plug.
Who could have possibly come up with that idea?
Is it you?
Give me credits.
I'm insulted, Brian.
Check the stream.
Ridiculous.
Ridiculous.
Not me.
Have I ever plugged my shit on here?
No, it's all good.
Except for a date on your lace.com.
I was just crawling.
That's cool.
Have you ever catcalled somebody with that?
I want to be catcalled, but you like that.
I think I have quite a few times.
I'll be honest.
I thought that's what you were talking about.
Yeah, I felt like guys didn't get catcalled enough, so I was driving around with my friend and we went and followed them around, but they all really liked it.
Das equality.
They liked it.
Das equality.
Yeah.
They liked it.
I didn't get it before it.
Yeah, that's how it was supposed to be.
All right, Drena.
Driana.
Like Sienna, but with a Dri in front.
And I've spelled it out for you right here.
Oh, no.
There we go.
Are you sure it's not Dreano?
Drianna.
Draino the Swan.
Oh, Jesus.
Draino's another welcome speaker.
Brian, I think I'm going to.
Hey, yo, we're almost done.
You keep saying that, and then 30 minutes go by.
We're at whatever time.
Breaking Down Single Income Families00:05:14
This is not like normal time.
This is like every conversation I've ever had with my ex-girlfriend.
You're driving us to LA now.
Are you almost done?
All right.
Just kidding.
Joke.
Terrible joke.
Okay.
Previously married, you can speak a bit on that.
Ideal topic would be breaking down exactly why people aren't getting married while we come.
That's a little long.
We talked about that.
I'll come back and have you on with.
We should have you on debate, Andrew.
Interesting topic as to the causes of the male loneliness epidemic.
Kind of already hit on that.
My hot take.
Haven't gone over that.
We haven't?
No, it's on there.
Hot take.
Hot take.
Is it related to the male loneliness epidemic?
No, it's related to running background checks on people.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It's a good way to vet your person before ever going on a date with them.
Like ever.
Like pay $25 to a subscription to do background checks on dates.
I would do that.
Yeah.
Moving it on.
You wanted to speak on the topic of modern dating being unlike anything we've ever seen before.
Not because women are less traditional than before.
It has everything to do with millennials being the first generation to have equal rights with the sexes.
You mentioned women weren't allowed to own credit cards, which we kind of touched on.
Get a loan before the 1974 Equal Credit Opportunity Act.
You write since men and women are both finally recently able to be financially independent.
The reason why people get into a relationship get married is completely due to consent and mutual benefit respect.
And we have a loneliness epidemic because many people still expect dating to be like how previous generations had it.
Talked a bit about that.
You think the government is complicit in the disaster that we see in dating today, as in they've purposely pitted these sexes against each other for their own benefit.
And they've created a system that makes it incredibly difficult to have a successful marriage.
I would agree.
Making it very difficult to afford a family on a single income.
I would agree.
Love to break down exactly why this is and what we can do to overcome it.
We agree on so much, see?
Yeah, we're BFFs, best friends.
Did you want to elaborate on any of that stuff?
On the last part?
Yes.
Well, you said we had 10 minutes and it's already been like five, but I'm happy to.
I actually would have had to leave, but my flight keeps getting delayed, so I can make it.
But yes, I'm happy to elaborate on that.
I think that in the past, people, a family, could be sustained on a single income, and unfortunately, that is not the case anymore because of politicians that have sold out our interest in favor of themselves getting richer and to gain more power.
And it is in their vested interest that two people in a household be in the workforce so that they can get more in tax revenue.
And as a result, you have most adults that are in relationships in the workforce and kids being shipped off to government schools as a result.
So this is breaking down the nuclear family in different ways.
I think it's very hard for two people working nine-to-fives Monday to Friday to spend a lot of quality time with each other.
There's again, this is a topic that I wanted to talk about in detail throughout the show, but I'll come back and elaborate on it more.
But yes, that's who I'm trying to say is the ultimate culprit behind a lot of this battle of the sexes.
It is, it has been the government's interest to dissipate the nuclear family, and we've fallen for that trap, for that bait.
I also think that since this is the reality that we live in, where it's difficult to live on a one single income and have a whole family on one income, then traditional gender roles and what men's responsibilities are and women's responsibilities are within a household have changed.
So if you have two working adults, then both working adults should be able to cook, be able to clean, be able to share those kinds of responsibilities.
It's just the reality of what we live in right now.
I gotta be honest, I have no more fight left in me.
I would so debate you on all this, but I another time.
I'll be back.
I'll be back.
I've been sapped.
I've been sapped of my will to live.
Will sorry, will to fight.
It's completely sapped.
I've got a lot of energy in me, but I do have a fight to catch.
Yeah, yeah.
So we'll get this wrapped up here.
Any final thoughts from anybody before we wrap up?
Speak now forever.
Save my notes for next time.
What's that?
Save my notes for next time.
You sent like one thing.
I sent in one note and I want to talk about it.
Oh, yeah.
What is it?
Oh, I don't want to talk about it now.
I'll talk about it next time.
It's just that Gertrude Macbeth.
Gertrude Macbeth.
That's your middle name and last name.
No.
Definitely is.
Anne-Marie Nicole Matusevich.
Okay.
If you say so.
Any final thoughts from anybody?
Taxpayers and Conscription Rights00:12:46
Come on, Canada.
Oh, Canada.
I think my I don't got much left in me either.
I got a fun.
What do you think about fucking Trump dunking on fucking Trudeau?
What do you think about America winning gold in hockey?
America.
Canada.
I mean, the population of America is quite a lot bigger than Canada.
So, I mean, I think the star players tend to go to American teams.
We're going to annex Canada, I think.
That should be Alberta.
Why Alberta?
Because they're actually conservative over there, and they actually have most of the resources.
Oh, yeah.
We can do your thing really quick.
Men's responsibility to take on the role of leading women towards goodness, as men are the heads of household and typically in charge.
I think it's their role to fix the modern situation.
Yes.
So I think women ruined a lot of it.
I think modern femininity was the downfall of society.
Do you mean femininity or feminism?
Feminism, sorry.
It's fucking 10 hours after feminism.
I think 11 now, right?
I think feminism ruins society.
I think that's what really drove us apart entirely.
But I think men being the providers, being the heads of household, should lead women towards goodness.
And that doesn't mean that you should lead women that clearly have no potential towards it.
Like if a woman is like there's no leading her towards goodness, drop that and let them die out.
But the women that clearly have some kind of potential in them, you should be the leader.
You should be the teacher.
Fucking repeal the 19th around it so that they can't like influence the shitty stuff anymore.
And yeah, lead them into it.
Do you still agree?
Do you still agree with her?
I don't agree with repealing the 19th, but I do agree with men leading.
And I'm being led by a wonderful man, happily in a relationship.
Why not repeal the 19th?
Because I believe I have a good enough equal voice.
I mean, I just wore out Brian after middle-aged young college-educated women are the only people holding up the Democrat Party right now.
We need to stop.
I think education is that and forming a lot of people.
I think men do play have a role in bringing this country, a very important role in bringing the country back.
We're so back.
We're going to be so back, but we're not back yet.
We're not so back, but we will be back.
The issue is, though, is that in order to be able to lead, you need to have people who are willing to follow.
And that's what I said.
Don't do a woman that doesn't have potential and that doesn't have some potential of willing to follow.
But so it's like men, we've like abandoned the allowance to men's authority.
So basically, women just, they want to be 50-50.
They want equal authority.
Then fuck those women.
Now.
Can I like, can we like make it maybe oscillating on the 19th?
Like you can opt out?
Because if you opt out, that means you don't have to pay taxes no more.
Most women didn't want the right to vote because they had to come with bucket duty on their cast and all these different things.
I want the right to vote.
Well, I'll say two things on the voting list.
Most women do.
I don't want to pay taxes.
That would be a great sin.
Yeah.
To have the right to do something and I don't want other women to vote.
So two things here.
Two things here.
I also agree with you.
I don't want a lot of other men to vote.
So are you pro-literacy tests for voting?
I am pro-land ownership.
You should actually have some kind of stake in the government.
You should have some kind of actual reason to be voting.
If you're just living off of my wealth, off of my tax dollars, and you're not doing anything.
In this country, so right now you don't have to do that.
Why do you have a say in this?
I think it should be for taxpayers, like people that are actually paying taxes.
Yeah, why do you, because if you don't pay your property taxes, then the government takes it.
Florida actually just voted against us.
Yes.
But it's about to pass.
It still needs to go to the two.
Yeah.
Even if something is taxed doesn't mean you don't own it.
Well, in my definition, you don't have to.
I understand what you're saying.
I don't think you should have the right to vote.
I think voting is a privilege, and I don't think most people should vote.
Well, here, look, I'm not going to go quite as far extreme as you.
And I'll give you two reasons.
Well, one, I think optically it's like really bad.
And then two, it's just not politically tenable.
Why?
Like, so, what do you mean, why?
Why does it look bad?
Well, we won't be able to claw back.
I'm not saying we can't, but I'm just saying that's the idea.
It's just politically untenable.
So it's just like, and it's such an optics L, it's not even.
Why is it an optics L?
It's a massive optics.
I think most of the people that I know agree that voting should be repealed to some extent.
Yeah, so arguably, for example, if only men voted, you'd just only have conservative L. I'm not even saying men.
I'm not even saying that.
You'd only have conservative leadership in this country.
However, optically, even for a lot of conservative women, massive optics L.
Yeah, because they're fun cons.
I agreed with the midpoint that one of you said here, which is you shouldn't be able to vote if you don't pay taxes in any kind of way because, you know, no taxation without representation, therefore, no representation without taxation.
And I do think all taxation is theft.
Really quick, just to...
You got this, Canada.
And that's why I'm a libertarian.
Oh, Canada.
I'll make you some, I'll make you.
What is the Poutine?
Can you make us coffee?
Hey, we got some pizza.
I'm going to hook you all up after the show.
Trust me.
We want to go to bed after the show, Brian.
I'm so hungry.
I'm going to have her.
You have to cook me a raw steak.
Cook you a raw steak.
It's not going to be a raw steak anymore, though.
Well, you'll present to me a raw steak.
With a chopped-up steak.
With a bow.
With seasoning.
Do you want to practice the bow really quick?
Sure.
We should all practice the bow.
We can all practice.
Can we all practice our bows?
Can you rate our bows?
I would, Brian, I would bow out of here once we're done with the show.
Oh, man.
I would curtsy.
I would curts you.
I have to fix the camera.
Hold on.
It's okay.
No, it's okay.
It's okay.
You didn't mean to.
Here, BRB, I've got to fix the camera really quick.
I want you to rate our bows, though.
No, with the voting thing.
That's how we can end.
So look, here's my contention, though.
Women have secured the right to vote with any corresponding responsibility.
In order for men to be able to vote, they have to be subject to military potential subject.
Excuse me.
Subject to potential military conscription.
I believe, as an egalitarian, that we ought to equalize this requirement.
By taking out the draft.
No, keep the draft because governments are not going to relinquish their ability to call upon its citizenry.
that's wrong well i don't think it it it is a it is a perhaps a sad reality of the world but governments are not going to relinquish their ability to call upon its citizenry in the event of something I don't think if there was a draft, people would go.
Like, I don't think men would actually go to the draft.
Men would definitely do it.
I mean, also, it's not just you don't, you're forced to do it.
Like, in Ukraine, for example, men definitely don't want to go to the front lines of Ukraine.
But they were kidnapped.
Yes, you have military police abducting men.
Yep.
It's ridiculous.
However, I believe then, if it is the case that we're never going to get rid of the draft because we aren't, and currently, as it stands, men are subject to military conscription.
Women should also be subject to military conscription.
And thus, in that way, women can retain the right to vote.
However, if we're not going to have a serious conversation, if the conservative position is, no, women should not be subject to military conscription, then my position would thus be: if women won't be subject to military conscription, you repeal the 19th.
Women don't get the vote if they're not equal in that way.
No, you said that because they don't have any responsibility as a result of being able to vote.
And I think that responsibility is you're paying your taxes.
So you pay taxes.
Right.
So we both have responsibility.
Right.
So, okay, then let's take a look at the Constitution.
No taxation without representation.
Women pay taxes, therefore we're represented.
Well, actually, in totality, women are net tax.
What's the right frame?
Women are a net tax burden in totality.
Are we really?
Yep.
In total, all women collectively are a tax.
Is that because we're taking into consideration all the illegal immigration that then takes up part of the welfare system?
You're counting in those women as well.
Which actually would make sense.
I didn't think so.
No, no, it's about citizens.
It would make sense to be able to take a look at the teaching.
Even citizens.
Even citizens, women are a net negative when it comes to taxes.
Well, I would have to look up that statistic because I strongly doubt they take more from taxes than they put in.
How would that be the case if they are having kids, if they're working, if they're in the workforce?
Are we saying women that are claiming welfare because they have kids that are on welfare, therefore they're the ones taking that welfare because the dad isn't in the picture?
So in this country, right?
But we have a lot of broken families.
Can you just ask it in ChatGPT?
We have a lot of broken families, right?
A net tax men.
There's a lot of women that live as single mothers.
When those single mothers go and claim benefits for their kids, then yes, they would be a tax burden because they are claiming welfare for their kids.
Collectively.
But that is very disingenuous because they're doing that because the father is not in the picture.
So I think that's a terrible way of saying that women are more irresponsible.
It's a bit besides the point, though.
My position then is, sure, women do pay taxes.
However, they don't have the same responsibility that men do as it relates to potential forced military conscription.
Thus, perhaps we can have women's voting power.
What do you think about that?
Can have women as a voting power.
No, have, like, in half, cut their voting power.
No, I like it full.
Yeah.
Okay, so again, though, there's an inequality that exists between men and women when it comes to the power.
But you should bring that up with your fellow man.
You know, why is it that you guys are sending each other to war?
That's such a feminist argument.
No, it is not.
It's a reality, right?
Actually, you know what they found?
They did the study and they looked at monarchs.
They looked at female leaders throughout history.
Women were actually much more likely to, well, excuse me.
Queens were much more likely to wage war than kings.
No figure.
Did they conscribe and they conscribed those people and their armies?
If we knew more about their phases, we would have known why they were doing it.
Yeah.
But in any case, look, I'm fine.
I don't think we should repeal women's right to vote.
Nope.
What we need to do, though, in order for that to have that continue to be the status quo, women need to be subject to military conscription.
What do you think about separating the military by gender whole?
And again, I don't think that that argument helps bring women.
I don't know if that's irrelevant if you're drafting women.
I don't think that's drafting women.
Yeah, that argument doesn't help.
You seem scrappy.
You'd be fine in that.
Bring women to our side.
I am pretty good with, I'm a pretty good shot.
I will say that.
Probably.
Women are fighting at shots.
Yeah, but I first have the right to.
Did you have it, Nathan?
The ChatGPT?
Look, hey, I could have been wrong on the stats, and it depends how you asked it.
No, it is not accurate to say that women in the United States are categorically a net tax burden in the sense of paying less in taxes than they receive in government benefits simply because they are women.
The reality is more nuanced and depends on how taxes and government benefits are measured, the specific program and differences in earnings, employment, and life cycle outcomes between men and women.
Available data.
Women often receive more in certain government benefits than that.
Oh, that's exactly the example I was giving.
For example, unmarried women.
Oh, you just passed it.
Lower tax payments and higher benefits.
So it seems like it's affirming, actually.
It seems like single fathers are the situation for that.
Single fathers?
As in, you know, men that don't want to be present and women.
You can change it to women without children in ChatGPT.
I don't even care that much, to be honest.
I'm willing to say I could have been wrong about it.
I'm willing to say that.
But in any case, yeah, women got to be drafted.
I'm drafting.
If I'm fucking president, I'm drafting you.
GG And Compliments00:09:15
Just exclusively.
I would be sending you to Afghanistan to take on the Taliban.
Taliban, Taliban.
I would probably take on a commander role.
I'd be happy.
Taliban.
No, strategic.
You're going to be doing minds in the fucking.
No, no, no.
I'll be strategy.
Oh, no, no, no.
You're going to be clearing minds in the deserts of fucking Baghdad.
Okay, fine.
Thank you.
Three ones.
Wait, there was something we had to get in.
Fucking for you.
I've forgot, yeah.
Oh, my gosh.
You're going to do the, but I guess, you know what?
Fuck it.
I'm not even going to fix it.
I think the pouch is filled up.
Keep it centered.
Nathan pull up Twitch really quick this is our final thing I got one final hot take Are you ready for it?
Wait, hold on.
Let me do Twitch real quick.
Okay.
Guys, final please.
Grift, my final grift of the night.
Drop us a follow on Twitch.
Drop us a prime sub and show some support over there on Twitch.
I'd very much appreciate it.
Thank you guys.
Very much appreciate it.
Thank you.
Yeah, hot take.
Go ahead.
I'm going to look right in the camera for this one.
Circumcision is genital mutilation, and you should never do it to any baby ever.
And if you do, that's freaking weird.
To any baby ever.
Guys that have closed up like penis holes and they don't even have a hole there.
When does that happen?
I see a lot of cases and I've seen it a lot of times.
What?
Zip it.
Yeah.
Men need hugs to you.
Zip it.
Zip it, Anya.
Yo, I'm trying to wrap.
Are you guys want to come back for the wave goodbye?
You guys want to bow?
Goodbye.
Four skins are there for a reason.
Let's do a bath.
A collective bath.
Wait, but push the chairs back then.
Oh, I like that.
Oh, wait, no.
I remember I was going to do that.
We should do a curtsy goodbye.
I think that's appropriate.
We could bow.
Curtsy dress.
Who's going to bow?
Okay, well.
Here, go ahead.
How do we, what is like the hand?
That way.
So the hand posture has to be submissive.
So it's kind of like a demure, submissive hand posture.
Go ahead, bow.
I thought it was like a collective bow.
Okay, Curly.
When we do like the wave, like the wave.
We're doing the wave.
Yeah.
What the fuck?
Wait, what the hell?
No, like a bow.
I'm gonna hockey guy.
Oh, no.
She's about to the lower you go, the more respect.
You gotta get your nose down to the girl.
Oh, whoa!
Get low!
Get low, get low, get low.
Okay, so really quick, just to finish up here, sit back down here, really quick, guys.
Because I was a dick tonight, I want to give everybody a compliment at the end.
I want to give everybody a compliment.
I feel like that's fair because I was a little sassy tonight.
Okay.
All right.
Let's see.
You seem like a very sweet, genuine person.
Oh boy, this is going to be nose ring theory.
You were a good sport.
You were a good sport.
And I'm sure you're a really good dominator.
She didn't say she wanted to slap me.
Like the girls last time.
That is true.
So flowers for that.
So good.
I'm proud of you for that.
Big D. Thank you.
Big D over here.
You've given me a lot of compliments, though, throughout this whole show.
At least ones that I personally take as big D, you'll be in trouble.
You are so good at just.
You're such a good.
You're a habitual button.
Habitual line stepper.
Oh, Charlie Murphy, the Dave Chappelle skit about Rick James.
I'm Rick James, bitch.
Habitual line stepper.
That's where it's from.
Okay.
Is that a compliment?
I think if you ever decide to become a politician, I won't.
You will be, you will be, you are so cut out for being a politician.
I don't know if you want to take that as a compliment, though.
I will take it as a compliment, even though I would have to.
But you just dodging fucking bullets and shit.
Yeah, you're good.
You're good.
You're sharp.
All right.
You, you are my favorite Canadian.
She's so sweet.
You.
What I like most about you is how talkative you are.
No, you, you, you, honestly, you didn't talk too much, so I feel like I don't know.
You have nice skin.
Anya, you are my favorite Caucasian.
You.
You're wearing cool.
Legendary.
Wow, wow.
Big one.
You are my.
Yeah, I don't know.
You, these are the worst compliments ever, by the way.
You were a good sport.
I'll give you that.
You were a good sport.
We were both good sports.
We get the same compliment.
I love your accent.
You've got a great accent.
You have a great accent.
Very good accent.
You have a nice beard.
A really nice beard.
It's okay.
It's all right.
There's a few patchy spots, but I appreciate it.
All right.
Anyways, well, forgive me for my trespasses for being a dickhead tonight.
It was a rough show for me.
So, you know, sometimes I get, I call it tilted.
Tilted is a video game term.
Back when there used to be pinball machines.
Objection irrelevant.
If you're playing a pinball machine and you're angry, you would like tilt, literally tilt the pinball machine.
Like shaking a vent.
Like, so I was on tilt tonight.
I was tilted.
It was tough just because it was, you know.
Anyways, whatever.
I already talked about it.
But anyways, thank you guys.
You guys were fun.
It was dope.
Viewership was fantastic.
Is there, I feel like we're missing something.
I don't know.
I just want to say this.
Men should not sleep with a woman unless he has a genuine intention of pursuing her for a long-term relationship.
Women, both men and women, promiscuity, promiscuity, uh, bad in both men and women.
Um, men should not lie about their intentions, anyways.
That's fine.
Oh my god, I'm like drunk, but um, all right, let's all fuck.
Okay, wait, hang tight, I'm wrapping here.
Uh, so, oh, and uh, Nathan, don't go intro until I say it.
Okay, uh, so I'm gonna say GG.
Oh, fuck, wait, GG.
Well played.
Last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out.
Also, guys, please leave a nice comment once the live ends.
It takes about 30 seconds after you know, we actually wrap.
I read them.
Positivity is nice, helps the algorithm.
Thank you for tuning in tonight.
You guys could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
I appreciate that.
Thank you to you guys.
It was a long stream.
Oh, man.
I almost ended it before 10 hours.
Okay, well, thank you to you guys.
I appreciate you guys.
You guys were dope.
Thank you.
Aside from the near aneurysm that I experienced multiple times during the stream.
Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
We couldn't do it without you guys.
We will be live again Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
I hope you guys enjoyed the string of debates that we had with Andrew and then this dating talk tonight.
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