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March 24, 2025 - Whatever Podcast
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30 Year Old PERFECT 10/10 (Megan Fox Level) WILL NOT Settle For LESS Than A BILLIONAIRE?! 5ft Girl Bare MINIMUM Height Requirement For Men Is 6ft2?! SIMP Bought Her A HOUSE?! | Dating Talk #235

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So please tell us your name, age, occupation, where you're from, and education.
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It's a lot.
Hi, everybody.
I'm Alex.
The last time I was on this.
Go ahead.
You're not you.
Just go ahead.
Okay.
The last time I was on this podcast, I was still using my fake name.
So my real name is Alex.
I'm 27 now.
I'm from Arizona.
What else?
What I do for a living?
Yeah.
Social media and reality TV star.
You do OnlyFans 2, is that correct?
That's social media, yeah.
Okay.
Stream.
Fabulous, all the platforms if you want.
Okay.
What's your primary platform?
Typically, people have primary platforms.
Well, how I make money primarily.
Hmm?
OnlyFans.
Check it out.
Am I education?
Yeah.
I graduated pre-med from University of Arizona.
Bear down.
You got your bachelor's?
Yeah.
Okay.
Pre-med.
And you said you're from Arizona, and then you were recently on a reality TV show, is that correct?
Yep.
Okay.
Which one?
I'm sorry.
You're supposed to ask me the questions.
Yeah, which one?
Temptation Island on Netflix.
Do you know what a prompt is?
Hello?
Do you know what a prompt is?
Fucking ridiculous.
You always say don't cut you off, so I'm asking.
I'm waiting for a question.
All right.
What about you?
Hi, I'm Selena.
I'm 22, and I'm from San Francisco, but I live in Las Vegas.
And I do bottle service and content creation.
And then I also just got my Bachelor's of Science in Entrepreneurship from San Jose State.
Okay.
And you're from where again?
Sorry?
San Francisco.
San Francisco.
Got it.
Okay.
And you do OnlyFans?
I do, yeah.
What kind of content do you do on there?
I just started, so I'm super new, but I did a little bit of everything.
So some fun stuff.
Entrepreneurship is a Bachelor of Science.
Yeah, it's a Bachelor of Science in Business Administration.
Yes.
What about you?
Hi, I'm Mitchie.
I'm 28.
I work at nightlife.
I also do content creation.
And then I'm from Los Angeles.
Okay.
Mitchie, is it short for Michelle?
It's Mitchell.
Mitchell, okay.
But you go by Mitchie.
Yeah.
Okay.
And you said you're from Los Angeles.
Any mind missing?
Oh, yeah.
And then, yeah, I have a bachelor's in media.
From what university?
Riverside.
UC Riverside?
UCR?
Okay.
And is it a Bachelor of Arts?
Yeah, it's a Bachelor of Arts.
Bachelor of Arts.
Okay, got it.
What about you?
Hi, I'm Eve.
I'm from Santa Cruz, California.
I'm a full-time student at Cabrillo College.
I'm a health science major.
Sorry, could you repeat your age?
Yeah, I'm 19.
19.
Okay, and you're working on a bachelor's degree?
Yes.
In what?
Health science.
Health science.
Got it.
Okay.
Any work currently?
Any job?
I'm a full-time student.
Full-time student.
Okay, cool.
What about you?
I'm Haley.
I'm 35.
I'm an aesthetics practitioner slash TV personality slash unifens creator.
And I'm from London.
Education, college, that's it.
Okay.
Did you like completed some?
Like, did you get an associate's degree?
No.
Whatever the equivalent would be.
I literally just did like my first year of college and then I started working along the way and worked on the big boat.
So yeah.
All right.
What about you?
My name is Alana.
I am 20 and I'm studying dance at Cabrillo.
All right.
And where are you from?
Santa Cruz.
Santa Cruz, got it.
And are you a second year or third year?
Second year.
Wait, is it UC Santa Cruz?
Or?
No, it's the community college.
The community college in Santa Cruz, got it.
And you said dance, are you, is there a focus, like ballet or?
I do like circus dance mainly.
Circus dance, what's that?
Like aerial arts.
Okay.
It's like the flying stuff.
It's cool.
All right.
That's really cool.
Okay.
All right, cool.
What about you?
I'm Destiny.
I'm 18 years old.
I work at a vet clinic.
So I'm a vet assistant.
And I graduated high school.
All right.
And where are you from?
I'm from Orange County.
Orange County, okay.
And are you in like a city college at all?
No, not yet.
Are you planning to go or just taking some time off?
Taking some time off.
Okay, all right.
What about you?
My name is Felicity.
I'm 18 from Santa Barbara.
I'm a dental assistant and I'm in college for business.
All right, great.
We're going to go around the table once more.
What is everybody's current relationship status?
If you're single, how long have you been single?
And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
What about you?
I'm currently single.
I went on a dating show, but that wasn't for that purpose.
I've been single for over three years now, and my longest relationship was three and a half or four years.
So single for four years.
The three and a half, four-year relationship, is that the one that ended three years ago?
No.
Okay.
The four-year relationship, who broke up with who?
I broke up with them.
Okay.
And then the most recent relationship, how long was that one?
Like a year and a half.
Okay.
And then who broke up with who on that one?
That one was more so mutual.
Okay.
Got it.
All right.
What about you?
I'm also single.
I've been single for about two and a half years.
All right.
Two and a half years.
Longest relationship?
My longest was about three years, and that was the one that ended last.
Okay.
Who broke up with who?
It was me, but it was kind of like mutual because we just, I was moving and it just, it wasn't going to work.
We couldn't do long distance.
Okay.
Got it.
I'm celibate for like one and a half years.
So single?
Yes.
Save to assume.
Well, single not dating.
Although I suppose you could be in a relationship and celibate.
No, that's obstinate.
Celibate means like no dating or like even like kissing or holding up.
My understanding was my understanding of.
Hold on.
My understanding of the term celibacy pertains to sex.
I think that's obstinate.
Celibacy is sex.
Celibacy.
Well, that one's like sex too, but that one's, I think it's also dating included.
Or like any like interaction with like some of the definition that I have here, just to kind of maybe clear this up, the state of abstaining from marriage and sexual relations.
Yes, sir.
Okay, we're all.
Just maybe clear it up a little bit.
Thank you.
Okay, well, we're not going to argue about the definition of celibacy, but in any case.
So you're not dating anybody?
No.
Okay.
And you've been celibate for a year and a half.
How long have you been single?
I don't claim anybody as my ex, so my whole life.
What do you mean you don't claim anybody as your ex?
It never happened.
I never talked to anybody.
Okay.
I like that.
You know what?
Oh, yeah.
So they just don't just like you now.
Is that what it is?
Wait, what?
Do they just not exist to you now?
You just don't talk to them.
Yeah, I never talk about them.
It never happened.
Yes.
Okay.
Let me use that one, girl.
So when was your, what was your longest relationship?
I never had one.
Yeah, I mean, that's cute and all, but what was your longest relationship?
I never had one.
Well, you... you're perhaps, uh...
I don't know if the words delusional is appropriate or you're just choosing to not remember it, but that in which you're choosing to not remember, you did in fact objectively have a relationship.
Can you define relationship?
Whatever your sense, did you call them boyfriend?
No.
And you weren't there?
Did you say I love you to them?
No.
Okay.
Then I'll ask a different question.
What is the longest consecutive period of time that you dated somebody?
Probably like eight months.
Eight months.
Okay.
And is this the individual in which you choose to not remember?
Yes.
Okay.
How long ago was that?
I don't recall.
It's quite funny, actually.
I might start doing this to delete my memory of any trauma.
So I don't really know how to have a productive conversation with you about this is a dating discussion podcast.
If you're just going to, I don't, you don't remember.
I mean, the last time I wasn't celibate.
So this is recent.
Because you've been celibate for a year and a half.
How about this?
The eight-month individual who you were seeing, was this the last person you had sex with?
Yes.
So is it safe to say you saw him a year and a half ago since you've been celibate for a year and a half?
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Thank you for that.
You're welcome.
I'm just curious.
So you weren't in love with him.
You only dated for eight months.
Why do you want to forget about it?
It doesn't seem like it was that serious.
No, that's exactly why.
Because like it wasn't serious.
So like I don't want to think about it.
Do you do this with friend relationships as well or is it just sexual?
Sometimes with friends, it depends like if they like did me dirty.
Maybe it's something from your past.
Maybe that's why you do that.
Maybe I don't know.
I'm just thinking it might be a trauma kind of thing that you choose to forget about it and just pretend it didn't happen.
I don't know.
Yeah, no, I feel like that's, like, I just, yeah.
Was it a traumatic relationship?
I don't...
I wouldn't, like, say so.
Wasn't who broke up with who?
I like ghosted him.
You ghosted him.
Okay.
Were you cheating on him?
Oh my God, no.
Was he cheating on you?
He wasn't like cheating because he wasn't my man.
There was no conversations about exclusivity or anything like that?
Like there was, but it's not like he, it's not like he wanted to be exclusive.
So that's why I don't consider him like I was dating.
Can I ask you just why both of you are smiling?
Do you find this amusing?
I mean, honestly, yeah.
Yeah.
This is kind of this interesting conduct when women are just being intentionally kind of malicious, especially when invited on a podcast in good faith, and I'm asking my questions in good faith.
Let's try to fix the splits.
Like, so it's kind of interesting that you kind of revel in this sort of trollish.
No, it's a little bit.
No, don't come at me.
It's a little bit unfortunate.
I am coming at you because you're like smiling and you're raving.
Because it's uncomfortable.
How else do you want me to react?
It's funny.
You're getting riled up.
You could have just said, move on next.
You're continuing the conversation.
No, I'd rather just people engage in good faith in the conversation.
So I don't think I'm getting, even if your assessment is that I'm getting riled up, do you think there are situations in which it's justified for people to be like, oh, okay, this person's like fucking with me.
I'm kind of upset by this.
Okay, I'm going to take it over then next.
No, you're not going to take it over.
You're coming at me because I'm just sitting here like.
Yeah, because I'm noticing that there's kind of a lack of accountability going on.
How is this my problem?
Because you're literally like, you're smiling.
I'm smiling because you're like, you're literally.
Stop.
You literally admitting.
You literally admitting when I called you out on it.
You sound so unhinged.
Just move the conversation.
Do you want to be kicked out because we can just kick you out?
Because you were trolling before the show.
You're giving me a bunch of flack before the show.
How was I trolling?
I don't need to.
Look, I don't want to deal with your attitude today.
So if you want to, you know, play this game, we can.
If you want to roll your eyes, we can.
I'm trying to have a good faith conversation.
Point blank, period.
Okay.
Can you ask the viewers if me smiling was me trolling the conversation?
I'm sorry.
I didn't say that.
What did you say then?
I was asking you why when she's trolling, you guys are reveling in the fact that she's like trolling the podcast and disrupting it instead of being like, whoa, this is kind of annoying behavior.
Wait, how am I trolling?
If you want to see the conversation, you could have.
I thought you were entertaining it because you thought it was entertaining.
So if you're just like that.
Well, I was trying.
No, I was not attempting to entertain it.
I was clearly like, okay, this is kind of annoying.
And then I was just asking like roundabout ways to get the information that could have just easily been answered by, oh, yeah, the last guy I dated like a year and a half ago dated him for eight months.
That would have been it.
That's all I needed.
How is that audience to be frustrated?
Because you're reveling in it.
I'm literally sitting here, didn't even say anything.
Yes, so now I'm having a meta-conversation about the fact that both of you are smiling, seemingly enjoying, not frustrated with her, but enjoying the degree to which she's sort of like sabotaging the show.
Do you understand?
I don't.
I'm not really sure if she was trolling.
Like, it could be kind of serious.
Okay, but you kept going on the conversation.
So, how is that our problem?
Like, I thought you're entertaining it for entertainment purposes.
I know what this show entails.
I've been on it two times already.
You feed into it, so people get mad.
If that's what you're trying to insight here, that's totally straw man.
Total straw man.
I want people.
Look, I want, I prefer smooth streams.
There's a component of entertainment, but if I'm trying to have a good faith conversation with somebody, yeah, I want them to just answer the questions.
And this is just like obnoxious to the viewers.
They don't like it when people are just like, yeah, they don't like it when people are just like beating around the bush when it comes to answering questions.
Did I answer my questions?
I was directing that at her, not at you.
Okay.
So I apologize for smiling.
It was more than that.
You were.
I apologize.
It was funny because y'all were going back and forth.
I apologize.
I genuinely do if you are truly upset by me smiling.
Not really upset by it.
I was questioning why because it's, it's a fee.
Hey, you gotta, if you gotta hide that, Blake, because it's like blocking Andrew, okay?
It's like an interesting female phenomenon where it's like, there's like this sort of malevolence in which you enjoy men getting frustrated, like justly frustrated by something, and you kind of like enjoy when men get frustrated.
And it's like this sort of malevolent thing.
And so I'm like actually having a meta conversation about like, why is it that like women sort of like enjoy seeing like men like trolling men and getting them frustrated?
You're projecting because how was that projection?
That's literally what you were doing.
No, it wasn't.
Go ahead.
You guys were going back and forth in a conversation that you could have easily, as the host, just said, okay, we're moving on on no, but the thing is, no, you kept going back and forth.
I'm not gonna let it stop.
I'm not going to allow this standard of like we've invited people on in good faith.
I'm not going to just say, okay, you can just not answer a basic question when you've been invited onto the podcast.
So your solution is, oh, Brian, ignore the troll, move it on.
No, I'm going to.
That sounds logical to me.
I'm going to confront the troll and have them participate in good faith, or they can kindly get kicked and leave the podcast.
Do you understand?
Sure, but that has nothing to do with me.
So, do you want to answer the question in good faith?
I've never had a relationship.
So, I did answer it.
You did date a guy for a period of eight months.
Okay.
But it wasn't exclusive.
And it was a year and a half ago when you guys broke up.
Yes.
Okay.
Go ahead.
I'm currently in a relationship.
How long have you guys been dating?
Five months.
It's not too long.
Longest relationship?
Three and a half years-ish.
Cool.
What about you?
I'm currently in a relationship.
I have been for the past five years.
Not five years.
God, Jesus.
Six months.
But my last relationship was five years too long.
Got a little bit confused and got it the wrong way around.
Sorry about that.
Okay, and your current relationship is how long again?
Six months.
Six months.
Okay.
And you said longest was like five years.
Five years.
Yeah.
What about you?
Oh, I have a husband.
No, I'm just kidding.
That's what I call him.
But it literally just started talking to him.
But that's new.
But it's not like serious.
It's not like exclusive yet.
We just started talking.
So you're in a relationship?
Yep.
Got the ring?
No, I'm just kidding.
Can you talk a little louder?
I just.
Oh, yes.
I am in a relationship.
Okay.
And you've been seeing him for a month or how long?
Like, yeah, a month.
Okay.
Longest relationship?
Three years.
Three years.
When did that end?
A while ago, like four years ago.
Okay.
So you're 20, so it ended when you were like 16?
Yeah.
Okay, so you dated him from like 13 to 16.
The guy.
Oh, no.
No, it must have been like two, three years ago.
I dated him in like freshman year of high school to like junior year.
You know, I'm not 100% sure, but it was like three years.
Okay, and how did you meet the current guy that you're seeing?
Omegle.
Okay.
You just FaceTime random strangers a different way.
Instead of Tinder, you know.
Well, so you just FaceTime them immediately.
Oh, don't come at me.
I didn't do that.
I try to understand.
That sounds pretty intense.
I mean, it's kind of better than Tinder.
At least you get to talk to the person.
Yeah.
I don't think Omegle was like a dating site.
Like, I personally wouldn't.
But I'm pretty sure I am her friend.
I'm pretty sure it happened naturally.
Like, they were both like trolling one night and they just happened to connect.
I thought it was banned.
Okay, I thought the same thing.
It's not Omegle.
It's like the new one that's like The same thing, just a different name.
Are you exclusive with this guy?
Uh, no.
Are there other guys in the picture?
No.
Okay.
But you guys haven't had a conversation about exclusivity or monogamy.
We're just like taking it slow.
I don't know.
So is this just like a hookup, casual, sneaky link type thing?
Or?
No.
He's not your boyfriend, right?
No, he's long distance.
So like.
Have you guys met in person?
No.
Catfish.
I just met him.
I don't know.
I met.
They FaceTime.
Could be an AI.
You're in a relationship with a guy you've never met with.
We're not like in a relationship.
It's just like the person I'm talking to currently.
Okay, so you're in the talking stage.
Yeah.
But it's not, there's other, are there other guys that you're talking to?
Like, do you have a roster?
Um, no, not really.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
I am single, and I last dated a guy, like, probably a year and a half ago.
Maybe a little more.
And it was my longest relationship was like four and a half years on and off.
All right.
Felicity, what about you?
I'm in a relationship.
It's my longest relationship going on two years.
All right.
Okay.
All right.
So we're going to get into some of the pre-show notes, but first we have a couple chats come through.
Apologize for the delay on these guys.
Gloctavius donated $200.
Question for the panel, answer all together.
Complete the sentence.
Peanut butter and jelly, cheese, cheese.
And our favorite salt and vinegar.
Don't finish this.
Don't finish this.
They're trying to get you to say the N-word.
Thank you, Glocktavius.
Oh, my God.
That was ridiculous.
All right.
That's my answer.
Oh.
Oh.
Yeah, that's true.
It's very calculated, isn't it?
It's good.
Thank you for that.
Nice one.
Lovely.
Play a smile now.
All right.
Thank you for that.
I do appreciate the sprinkler or whatever that was.
Thank you.
All right.
We're going to get into the pre-show notes while we start there.
So actually, you know what?
Let's start with the questionnaire first.
I think that'll be more interesting.
What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
Me?
Yeah, you.
Oh, I said one billion.
Okay.
That's not trolling.
I'm being dead serious.
Okay.
That's your serious.
That's the minimum yearly income for your future husband.
Give your take.
It's interesting how people say they're not trolling when they actually are.
Andrew, what's your assessment here?
Do you think she's a troll?
Now we asked the chat.
Hello?
Hang on a second, Brian.
Sorry, I guess what am I dealing with?
All right.
Okay.
A billion dollars and nothing less is what you wrote.
The minimum yearly income to be your future husband.
That'd be pretty sweet, wouldn't it?
Okay.
Is that your genuine answer?
I mean, who knows if I get married?
Do you want to get married?
Maybe, if the right guy comes along.
If he's a billionaire.
I'm going to probably leave this one up to the chat.
Chat.
Is this a kick?
there's already been too much trolling tonight um this might have to be this might have to be um well so that that was your good faith answer a billion dollars a year Yeah.
That seems reasonable.
Okay, I don't understand why I'm getting all the heat for the trolling.
I'm a little bit lost.
Like, you asked me a question, I gave you an answer.
I mean, in a perfect world, you should, like.
You're strive.
You're saying I'm right.
Like, that's her preference.
It's not.
See, I like how you think.
I like how you think better.
$2 billion.
Fucking.
Why not $5 billion?
$5 billion a year.
Yes.
I mean, really, why stop there?
Why not a trillion?
I just think, like, it's not really fair to say that I'm trolling, right?
Because then we're going to go around later around the table.
It's going to be like, rate yourself on a scale of one to 10.
And if we say 10, like, oh, you're delusional.
Well, you asked us a question and we're answering.
So I just don't think it's really fair that you're coming at me saying that I'm trolling when I'm giving you an answer.
I'm here in good faith.
Well, I mean, that's fair.
How about instead of that, you just say, I just don't believe you.
So I just think that you're not telling the truth, that your minimum requirement is a billion dollars.
For instance, have you ever actually dated a billionaire?
I choose not to answer that question.
Yeah, so then, so, so the answer is no.
And so now we have evidence that there's a good chance that you're probably not telling us the truth, that that's your minimum.
That has to be your history, for instance, is not dating billionaires, right?
Sure.
Yeah, makes sense.
I mean, Andrew, I'd like you to weigh in on this, the whole, I choose not to answer that question.
I mean, that's just totally bad faith.
Yeah, what was the question?
Sorry.
Well, Andrew, you asked her, well, here, we can test this.
Have you dated a billionaire or the men you've dated?
That's not the answer, right?
That's like, what?
That's ridiculous.
All right, because it would give evidence against the position she gave.
Exactly.
That's why.
That just seems kind of silly.
Well, I've been single for over three years, so who's to say that?
Have you been celibate for over three years?
Have I been celibate?
Have you been celibate?
No, I haven't been celibate.
Okay, the men that you're sleeping with, are they billionaires?
I choose not to answer that question.
What?
You've already admitted to sleeping with them.
What does it matter if they're billionaires or not?
Because that's none of your business.
Okay, well, that's fair.
We'll just say out of all the men you've ever dated, even if one has been a billionaire, would you say the vast majority of them were not billionaires?
Again, this question is so not something that I need to answer.
We can just move on.
Like, you're saying that I'm trolling.
You're carrying it on, and then you're like, I'm going to take a look at it.
I'm just curious if the majority of the men that you have dated were billionaires, even if you had dated a billionaire.
No, majority were not.
Oh, okay.
Well, then it seems to give a counter evidence to your position that the minimum requirement that you would need from a guy would be a billion dollars a year.
Not only does that obviously sound absurd, but the evidence from your own mouth is basically confirming the absurdity.
So we're kind of left with the conclusion that you're just giving bad faith answers in order to derail and kind of be a pain in the ass.
What was the actual question on the sheet?
What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
What would I want?
Want the minimum yearly income?
What would I want?
What's with the attitude?
What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
Because how is that trolling?
What would I want?
What would I want it to be?
So, I mean, there's some degree of like realisticness, you know, to the question.
And because billionaires aren't realistic in your world doesn't mean they're not realistic in my world.
I mean, why not a trillionaire?
Why would you want it to be a trillion?
Because I was being realistic.
Oh, that is totally realistic.
But you can't ask me what I would want ideally and then tell me my answer is fake.
Do you know what I mean?
That's like not really, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Yeah, sure.
You know, I'll even grant this.
Thank you.
Do you agree with me that there's inferences with questions?
Like when somebody asks you a question, they might not be semantically 100% correct.
But even if they're not semantically 100% correct, you can infer what the meaning of the question is.
Like, for instance, if every other woman at the table answered the question the way that it was intended except you, wouldn't that also lend us even more credibility that you're probably trolling?
Well, I mean, every woman at the table is not me.
So I can't really compare myself to the other women, respectfully.
Well, how do you make comparisons then?
Like, how would we ever make a comparison as to whether or not a person was delusional unless they were making a comparison with people who were not delusional?
Well, you can call me delusional.
That's okay.
I'll take that.
I didn't call you delusional.
I asked you a delusional.
I'm saying you can't.
I'm saying you can.
You can just call me.
You could call me delusional.
Yes, I mean, I can do all sorts of things.
I can punch my monitor.
I can knock my camera over.
I can do all sorts of things, but that really has nothing to do with my question, which is how is it that we would ascertain if you were delusional without comparing you to other people?
We couldn't.
Same thing with your answer, right?
We could compare how a regular person would infer the question, and then based on your answer and the attitude behind it, whether or not you're telling the truth or trolling or things like this, that seems reasonable to me.
I mean, my answer is sure.
That's my answer to your question.
But I'm not comparing myself to other women at this table right now.
You asked me a question about myself, and I answered the question about myself.
So just to be clear, by the way, this is yearly income.
So it's not that you just want to date a billionaire.
You want somebody who makes a minimum yearly income of $1 billion and nothing less, nothing less.
So for example, you wouldn't date somebody who makes $750 million a year.
Sorry, I must have missed the annual part then.
It literally says it in the question.
Sure, then I apologize.
I missed that part of the question.
So what is your actual position on this then?
I would date a billionaire.
Okay, so they have to be a billionaire, though.
I don't have to.
I said, you ask what I want.
$1 billion and nothing less.
So they have to be a billionaire.
Sure.
I mean, the chat pretty much wants you kicked.
So I suppose I could give you one final chance.
Are you going to participate in good faith?
Yeah, I've been participating in good faith.
I feel like I'm being singled out here, to be honest with you.
How would it be?
Because you came at me saying that I was trolling before the show.
I came in with good energy.
It was quiet as fuck in here.
So I'm trying to pick up the energy, crack some jokes.
Everyone was a little tense.
So that's all I was doing.
So if you think that's me trolling, I apologize for bringing in good energy.
The thing is, though, is this, the fact that you refuse to answer the question of, of all the men you've dated or slept with or been involved with previously, none of them are billionaires.
I said majority were not billionaires.
Right.
That was my answer.
I answered your question, so now you're just going back.
Yeah, so when's the last time you were with a guy?
I'd choose not to answer that.
I mean, it pertains to the conversation, so.
Okay, sure.
And I still don't.
But it would be, it would provide, I mean, you're refusing to answer it because it would provide counter-evidence to your claim, your dubious claim here that you want the minimum yearly, or well, I'll just change it.
You want, you will only date a billionaire and nothing less.
But this is clearly not true if you're sleeping with dating men who are not billionaires, especially in recent history.
Sure, Brian.
So when's the last time you were romantically or sexually involved with a man?
That I actually don't remember, truthfully.
I'm not trolling about it.
You don't remember.
I'm not asking for a specific date and time.
You can just say, oh, it was three months ago.
It was probably a few months ago.
Yeah, weren't you reasoning?
Let's see here.
Andrew, what do you think about this one from her?
Would you rather cross paths?
Would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear in the forest to which your answer is a bear because I like animals?
Because you like animals, okay.
That's good faith.
And then you said no, because you don't date, even though there seems to be some evidence that you do.
And then how tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you would date?
What did I put there?
I'm 5'6.
Yeah, what's the minimum height of a man you would date?
I don't think height really matters, to be honest.
Height doesn't matter.
For me, I'm saying.
For you.
For me, yeah.
So you would date a guy who's shorter than you.
I've dated someone my height before.
You've dated them, but is that your preference?
I think I'm more of a personality person.
You're a personality person.
I would date.
Okay, I know where you're going with that.
I would date.
You're asking specifically about height.
Height doesn't matter to me.
How do you reconcile not, well, being a personality person, but you refuse to date anybody besides a billionaire?
Because you're asking me for height.
Height preference.
I know, but you also said you're a personality gal.
So wouldn't this extend itself to somebody's income or financial standing?
Sure.
To an extent.
So how do you reconcile personal?
I only care about personality with you will only date a billionaire?
I see like you're putting words in my mouth.
I never said I only date a billion.
Yeah, sure.
You said you're a personality gal.
Personality is more important than like other things like height.
Yeah.
Okay.
But not more than money.
Not more than money.
Okay, I see.
So perhaps no reconciliation is needed then.
Hmm.
Okay.
And then finally here, uh, personality to you is not more important than money.
Is that what you just said?
We're weighing things on a scale, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So that was the first thing that was asking.
You just push yourself into frame.
Yeah, so personality to you, less important than money.
I just want to make sure we're clear on that.
Yeah, it's secondary.
How did you do on that dating show anyway?
Great.
Did you win?
There was no winner.
No, there wasn't.
Did you tell the person that you were going to be dating that you cared more about his money than his personality?
No, I didn't get that far.
Oh.
I mean, is that a legitimate answer you'd give on a dating show?
Like, if the guy asks you, do you care more about my personality or my money?
Would you be like, oh, your money?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Metro Mac donated $200.
You're a troll who does off.
You have zero respect from anyone.
Why waste your time to come on a show?
Is it just to grift?
Or are you really that thirsty for attention and to gotcha men?
Would you like to answer that?
Well, first, you're welcome for the donation.
I mean, I really did come here in good faith.
I think you guys are thinking my personality is more trolly than, like, I actually, like, this is just me being me.
So, I'm not coming on here to be a troll.
I've been on here two times already, and somehow, I don't know, today you came in with a different energy towards me.
So, I think that's you problem more so from the beginning.
But I came here in good faith.
I wouldn't travel all the way here if I wasn't coming here in good faith.
That doesn't really make a lot of sense to me.
Well, I don't have any preconceived notions.
Libertarians donated $200.
Don't kick her.
It's what she wants.
The best option is to leave her there and ignore her for the rest of the show.
That is an option.
What's that?
That is true.
I don't have any preconceived notions.
I haven't seen any of the episodes that you were on.
I don't recall engaging with you.
But it does seem like a very bad faith answer to put the minimum down for what you'd accept from a man to be a billion dollars.
That seems like.
Well, see, again, you guys are using the wrong words, right?
You're saying the, like, it has to be.
You asked me what I want.
Yeah, why would you settle for less than what you want?
You're asking ideally what I want.
I gave you an ideal answer.
So if that's what you want, you wouldn't settle for less than you want.
That seems like it would be a minimum, right?
It'd be like, if I said, I want my, if somebody asked me, what's the quality you want in your wife?
And I said, for her to be faithful, I wouldn't settle for less than her being faithful, right?
Would you, if you say, I want a man who makes a billion dollars, you get to settle for less than what you want.
Well, I feel like her being, this isn't apples to oranges because her being faithful is a little bit out of your.
I mean, apples to apples.
Sorry, my bad.
Thank you for calling me out on that.
What you're saying, though, like, that's out of your control if your wife is faithful.
So.
Yeah, but why, but so what?
It should potentially out of your control.
It's like, it's what you want, right?
But is that like not going to necessarily happen or not?
I don't really want to argue.
Like, I'm not really here to argue.
I was really here to just be chill, but like.
Well, it's not much of an argument, really.
It's not like we're doing blood sport debates here or anything.
Yeah.
Just kind of clearing up some bizarre semantics because it was a bizarre answer and it seemed kind of trollish.
You can at least, can you at least grant that it would seem to be very trollish if you say, I want a man who makes a billion dollars, that that seems just slightly absurd.
And when you match it on your personality, you don't seem like you're a complete idiot.
So it seems perhaps contrived, right?
I mean, it can seem that way to you.
My genuine answer was that.
I'll leave it at that.
And then you guys can do what you want with that answer.
I think it's okay to have high standards, especially because you're beautiful and like, you know, you do OF, you have a lot of money.
You want Temptation Island.
So I think it's okay to have high standards.
High standards.
Yeah.
What's the difference between high standards and unreasonable standards?
Well, I think there's an exception.
Like if this person has a really good personality and they don't make a billion dollars, like she might go for him.
No.
That's not like.
She said she won't settle for less.
Nothing less than a billionaire.
So.
And she said she values money over personality.
Right.
Let me ask you a question.
Would you rather date a guy who makes like a, let's say, $90,000 a year and he treats you amazingly, or a guy who's a billionaire?
And you got to pick one.
A guy who's a billionaire, but he's abusive.
Which do you pick?
Okay, that's a bit extreme.
That's a loaded question, I would say.
If you have to abusive is a load of people, and you can choose to pick the guy who's not abusive.
Which ones do you pick?
He treats you like shit.
How's that?
How much do I see him?
Because billionaires are very busy.
You see, well, I mean, you see him a lot, right?
Because I would assume that you would be some sort of trophy for him or he wouldn't marry you.
There's a lot of factors I think that would go into that question specifically for me to be able to answer that.
Okay, give me some of those.
90,000 is pretty good, though.
What's that?
I said 90,000 is not bad for like a guy that treats you well over an abusive person.
I wouldn't.
I'm not abusive, though.
Well, he did.
Yeah, I know.
I changed the parameter, though.
He just treats you like shit.
But right, like that, there's so many factors.
What do you mean by treats you like shit?
Because right, people have different standards for relationships.
He's not very nice to you.
And he doesn't really care that much about your opinions.
Is this all the time?
Or is this like most of the time?
Doesn't care about my opinions.
Most of the time.
I think I would still pick a billionaire.
I think he's a billionaire.
Yeah, I think he needs for what?
What opinions are you going to give a billionaire that he needs?
Yeah, you're so right.
Yeah, what opinions?
Women don't make sense.
Right?
Well, yeah, I mean, what opinion would I give a billionaire that he would care about?
Nothing.
He wouldn't care about my opinions.
That made me kind of feel sad that you would say that even about yourself.
Yeah, okay.
Anyway, can you answer my question?
No.
I did answer your question already.
Yeah, why don't you repeat back my question so that I know you even heard it?
Your question was: would you pick the guy that was making $90,000 and treated you really well, or the billionaire that doesn't treat you as well?
Great.
Can you give me the answer to that question?
I said I would still pick the billionaire.
You still pick the billionaire?
Okay.
So I don't think you're trolling.
I mean, maybe you're just a reprehensible person.
That could be possible.
Okay.
Yeah.
Interesting how that works.
Thank you, Earthwork.
Earthworm Tim donated $200.
No billionaires for A-Cups.
Please kick her off.
Yeah.
I don't think that works, though, because he's against plastic surgery.
So to say, you know, if I were to fix that problem, I think Brian would actually be very much against that.
Would you agree?
Yeah, I'm anti-plastic surgery.
So do you like A-Cups?
Sure.
Just checking.
I, yeah, A-Cups, sure.
I'm more of a, not really an ass guy, not really a boob guy.
I'm more of a labia guy.
I only date women with giant labia.
So, yeah, that's kind of.
Would you spot someone with one in a crowd?
Or do you just like take a look at the side?
There's certain indicators.
Is that like you must have big labia?
Or do you think that's a little bit unrealistic?
Look, I've noticed patterns.
There's some patterns, okay?
And you can fucking tell.
Can you name the patterns?
I'm just curious.
Top secret.
That's the secret sauce because I can't be given it away, and other dudes are going to steal my fight.
They're going to be like, oh, there's that girl who meets this visible criteria.
I'm going to get because he's also into big labia.
So I can't give away the secret sauce, but there are signs.
You are the labia.
Can I ask a question really quick?
Nope.
Nope.
You can't ask a question.
But anyways, so.
H'd that right.
Continuing on with the questionnaire.
The kick is probably imminent, but we'll see.
So going around the table on this question, what would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband and Andrew?
The answers don't get any better.
Go ahead.
I wouldn't say it's like a deal breaker, but I would say like maybe about like a million.
It doesn't have to be a good deal as fine.
Yeah.
Sure.
What about you?
Yeah, no, I said the same thing, but it doesn't really, it's not a deal breaker for me either, but that's what I strive for.
When you say you strive for in terms of your own earnings or like strive for in a man?
A man.
Okay.
So everyone else is good though.
That's not unrealistic.
It's pretty unrealistic, but you realize like the orders of magnitude difference between billionaire versus millionaire.
So yeah.
What about you?
Realistically, probably like 200,000.
But I mean, I wouldn't mind a millionaire.
Call me.
Sure.
Okay.
Personally, it doesn't matter to me what somebody earns.
I would choose happiness over being financially.
Can I have you scoot your mic to the edge of the table?
Yeah.
Just leave it there.
Yeah, sure.
And this applies for everybody.
Just leave the mics where they are.
So, I mean, there's not like, do you want to get married?
Do you want to have kids?
Yeah, one day, probably get married, maybe have children.
I'm not really sure.
But I feel like I'm financially stable enough by myself.
I don't need someone to look after me like that.
I see.
And I think happiness is so much more important.
You could date someone that is seriously rich, which I have done in the past, and that doesn't make them a good person.
You know, they could be every time it's personality.
It's nothing to do with their bank account.
But that's me.
That's my own opinion.
Yeah.
So you would date a guy who like works at McDonald's?
I mean, I wouldn't go that far.
No, I wouldn't say.
Do you know what actually?
Yeah.
If in this life I met someone and I really, really loved them and they weren't there, then I guess, yeah, that would be okay.
Okay.
What about you?
I relate with what she said.
I think it doesn't necessarily matter as long as they can support themselves and aren't asking me for money or like, you know, and that they're a loving person.
I don't know, but.
Okay.
You did like when, and this is for like your future husband, right?
So I know some of you are young, you guys are like in college or whatever.
You're probably not particularly preoccupied with like, oh, is this guy making $100,000 for most people in college?
Probably not like top of the priority list.
You're probably more like, are they attractive?
Do I get along with them?
Do they have a good personality?
Do I like them?
These sorts of things, right?
But when you start getting a bit older and you're like, okay, well, I want to have kids and a family.
And here's what my, do I want to stay home while I'm pregnant?
There's going to be certain considerations when it comes to, oh, do you want to stay in Southern California or, you know, wherever you're from?
Do you want to have a certain lifestyle?
Do you want to go on vacations?
Your husband's income is probably going to have, or whatever, a long-term boyfriend is going to have some impact.
So if we fast forward, if we fast forward, like you and you, to like when you guys are 28, 29, maybe you're like looking to, okay, I want to like have kids, start a family.
Do you have a sense of like, okay, well, I don't want to date the guy who's working like a part-time job at McDonald's, making $20 an hour.
Probably want to date a guy who's making like X amount of money.
Is there anything that comes to mind for you on that?
I think the best way I would say it is like they have to have this like drive to do good for themselves, you know?
Yeah, I can agree with that.
You know, like, yeah, that drive is attractive.
Yeah, like I plan on doing good for myself.
I'm good on my own.
Sure.
Someone comes along and I really like them and they're driven and they like have a good career and they like know what their life wants to look like or they're living the life that they want to live, then like I love that.
Sure.
You know, I don't know if I would date someone at McDonald's just because they could strive for more.
Yeah.
But if they're working at McDonald's saving and like there's a plan, then that's different.
Yeah.
What about you?
I agree.
Does that change?
Very much agree with that.
Okay.
What about you?
I'd say any income's better than nothing.
Any income is better than nothing.
So they make $1,000 a month.
That would be satisfactory to you?
Yeah.
Okay.
Do you want kids?
In the future?
Yeah, I do.
Do you want to get married?
Maybe.
And you live in SoCal?
Do you want to, like, how many kids do you want?
I'd say like max three.
Max three?
Okay.
So maybe two to three.
And do you want to remain in Southern California?
Probably not.
I definitely want to move.
Do you know where?
No, not yet.
Would it be a low cost of living or high cost of living area?
Probably low cost of living.
Low cost of living.
Okay.
When you do have kids, would you like to take time off from work when you're pregnant and then like afterwards to raise the kids?
Yeah, probably.
Okay.
And then what are you wanting?
You're like a vet tech, you said?
Yes, I am.
Okay.
And are you planning to go to vet school?
Or are you just planning to remain a vet tech?
I'm probably going to go first schooling, but I'm not too sure if I really want to stay in the vet industry.
Okay.
Do you have a sense?
I know you're young, you said 18, right?
So like, you know, you have time to figure things out, but do you have a sense of kind of like a potential career trajectory?
No, not yet.
Okay.
Do you anticipate, would you like to be the breadwinner in the relationship?
Maybe.
Okay, so you're making the majority of the money.
Okay.
Maybe, maybe not.
Although you want to have kids and take time off for pregnancy.
And okay.
Why, wouldn't there just be certain economic realities?
Like, okay, you want to have two to three kids?
Depends on where you live.
You want a certain lifestyle.
You want to take time off for the pregnancy.
You want to take time off from work to, you know, when they're babies or whatever.
How do you intend to like pay rent and other expenses?
I'm going to give it time before having like any kids.
So that way I'm able to save my money just in case like if the relationship doesn't work out and he decides to leave, I'll be able to provide for the kid.
Okay.
But I mean, do you think it would be a consideration though when you're dating a guy and you're like, okay, this is the guy I want to like marry and have kids with.
But like, ooh, we could, this could be like a financially straining situation if he's kind of sitting at home playing video games all day and not working or working like a part-time minimum wage job.
Okay, well then we'll have a talk about that one.
What would the talk entail?
Probably to maybe work a little more.
Maybe find a different job if that's not working out.
Okay.
What if he doesn't?
Then probably dump him.
Probably dump him.
Okay.
So there would be some degree of participation in the workforce that you would deem desirable or acceptable when it comes to a guy you're dating.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
We won't linger too long.
Felicity, do you want to answer this, I guess?
$150,000.
$150,000.
Okay, so we got a billion here.
A million dollars a year, a million dollars a year.
That's your guys' minimum.
And then you said $200,000.
Those are pretty interesting.
I'm not $100 or $200,000.
Okay.
Well, here in the notes, you said $200,000.
Maybe you changed it, but a million a year, a million a year, $200,000 a year.
Andrew, do you have any objections to these numbers?
Well, every one of the numbers is fairly unrealistic.
So if you just break it down, even if you're talking about millionaires, there are actually a significant amount of millionaires in the United States, right?
As of 2023, this is just cursory, right?
But somewhere around 20 plus million millionaires.
But you have to remember that most of those are based around retirement accounts, like their Roth IRA.
They paid into it their whole life, this type of thing.
So they're near retirement age.
So they have a little bit of cash tied up in nest eggs, right?
That's their equity.
But people have like actual in your age group dating market who have millions of dollars, which is liquid, it's extremely rare.
So it's like, that's unrealistic.
It's totally unrealistic.
That's one.
But the second is, even when you get into the hundreds of thousands of dollars, right?
It's like the pool of men who's available, again, in that age bracket who makes $200,000 plus dollars per year, very, very small.
The Brian actually has a calculator.
We could calculate this out.
You can see the percentage of men who would be available in a pool who were over six foot in your age bracket who made the amount of money that you wanted.
And I guarantee you, it'll be a decimal point.
It won't even be 1%.
It won't even be 1% of the available.
Okay, I got something to say.
Oh, sorry, go ahead.
My longest relationship, the three years, he was a millionaire and he was over six foot.
Wait, wait, Hold on.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Your three-year relationship that you had in high school was with a millionaire.
Correct.
You're full of shit.
You were not dating a millionaire.
How old was he?
He was a little bit older than I was.
I'm not going to.
How much is that?
How much is a little bit?
Like two or three years.
It was family money, but he was in it.
Yeah, well, there's two problems here, right?
The first problem is you ain't married to him.
No, but it was my longest relationship.
It doesn't actually matter.
Millionaires and people have hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars will definitely have sex with women.
Plenty.
They'll have sex with plenty of women.
We live together with as many women who will have sex with them, in fact, many of them.
But the point is, is whether or not you actually catch the ring, right?
The commitment is the key.
Do you keep the commitment?
Right.
So I actually, I broke up with him and we almost got engaged at a certain point.
So that's kind of bold for you.
Yeah.
I was just thinking just another point.
And again, let me clarify before I say anything on this podcast, because today is just, I guess, not my day on here.
It is also, no one said anything about an age range.
So for you to specifically say, you know, it's not realistic to date anybody in our age range with that amount of money, whoever said there was no age range there.
Oh, okay.
So would you date a 95-year-old?
Would I personally?
Yeah.
No.
85.
How about 85?
Show of hands at the table.
85, would you date an 85-year-old?
75?
65?
I'm being completely honest and again, not trolling.
There's some fine 65-year-olds.
Okay, so then go ahead and raise your hand for 65.
Okay, 55.
There's some real silver.
You would date a 55-year-old.
I mean, if he's the perfect guy and I really like him and I like his personality, my boyfriend's going to kill me.
45?
Probably, yeah.
I feel like that's actually more realistic.
I didn't know we were going that low.
So I presupposed an age range and I presupposed an age range based on the hard data, which is available to us.
And the hard data is available to us shows that most women date within about a few years of their age, up or down.
Now, not men.
Men tend, they like to date younger if they can, but most can't.
So they usually end up dating around their same age range as well.
Now, you might wonder why this is, even though there's really attractive, like you said, 45-year-olds, is because meeting people usually happens in a compartmentalized way, like you meet them at work or you meet them in your social circle or things like this.
So, because it's a localized connection, that's how most people tend to meet and date.
They're usually going to be within the same age bracket, roughly.
That's just usually how that works.
So, yes, I did presuppose it, but I had a justification for the presupposition.
That's fair.
I just want to bring up that point because I felt like that was being left out.
Because you specifically said people are age.
That's it.
But I agree with you.
I mean, even though if you look at the data, I believe the top 1% of earners, that's 450,000.
Maybe it's changed, but at least what it was previously, $450,000 and up.
That puts you in the top 1%, right?
So if you're looking at making a millionaire, that's even less.
That's a portion of a percentage.
I did have one question for you.
You didn't raise your hand when he was asking about the age thing.
What's the oldest guy you would date?
I'm thinking, I mean, I was going to raise it for like 35.
35.
Okay.
Yeah, but I'm down for like maybe like 40.
And you're currently in a relationship, correct?
Correct.
Does he make $200,000 a year?
He's going to school for a really good career.
What is he studying?
He told me not to talk about him, so I'm not going to talk about him.
Well, I think you could probably just say his.
I don't think revealing his field of study is going to reveal anything about him, but that's okay.
So he's going to be a.
Okay, that's fine.
But we will end up making around the same amount of money.
I mean, a lot of people go to college thinking they're going to be a big rock star and then they're working at Starbucks, but that's fine.
Not the industry he's in.
But okay.
Well, you're not revealing which one it is, so I can't say, but I'll just take your word for it.
Thank you.
And I guess my final question on this: billion dollars, a million, a million, two hundred thousand.
You mentioned want, right?
I want to ask a different question.
Okay.
Sure, you can want it.
Do you think you will get it?
That's not up to me.
Do you, well, make a prediction?
I think it's very possible.
Sure, I agree with you.
It's possible.
Is it probable?
Probable?
I'd give it, you know, I'm not getting a number.
I think it could be.
It could be.
Yeah, I get that it's possible.
Is it probable?
I don't know.
I can't answer that.
Okay.
Do you think you're going to get the guy who makes a million dollars a year?
I do.
Manifestation.
The manifestation, yeah.
Interesting.
Okay.
No, me too.
That's why I wrote it because I like to manifest, but I think so because we work in nightlife, so I feel like we're around those people.
Yeah, I mean, I see it.
The nightlife scene, that's the spot to get the millionaire.
There they are.
You guys doing the secret?
You're doing the secret where you write down the thing that you want and your thoughts go out to the ethos.
And the universe serves up this thing that you want on a silver platter for you based around your thought pattern recognition.
Is that manifesting?
Is that how you manifest stuff?
I'm here for it.
Well, I like to speak it into existence or like, you know, write it down.
You can speak things into existence?
You can make your dreams a reality.
Yeah.
You can hope so.
Try.
All right.
Okay.
Huh.
Well, I guess I almost don't want to wish you guys good luck because it's so ridiculous, but good luck, I guess.
You're going to need it.
If you guys want a millionaire, you definitely need it if you want a billionaire.
$200,000, that's still pretty high.
She said $150,000, and we're not coming at her.
And I also said either like one or two.
You keep on just saying that.
You wrote $200,000.
Okay, I wrote it thousands.
I changed my mind.
And Felicity's been on the show before, so we've already had the conversation.
And yeah, so.
I mean, I feel like it's realistic.
If you are going $1,000 a year.
Yeah.
I mean, if you are making that amount of money and you surround yourself with people who make that much money, what are you studying again?
Oh, I'm going to go get my OBGYN.
And so eventually, if I work my way up, I could make that.
Okay, so you're pre-med, if I recall, right?
Yeah.
Health science pre-med.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, if you're a doctor, you can definitely make $200,000 a year.
So that's kind of where you sign off of, you know?
I will grant you that $200,000 is more realistic than a million a year, a million a year, and a billion a year.
It's still high, though.
It's still pretty, though.
It's still high, but I don't think it's like super unrealistic.
I don't know if it's everything, but like, if anyone could, I think they could.
There's not so much.
I mean, I appreciate that.
It's more so like the circles that you're in already.
Yeah.
I mean, that's what I just said.
That's what I was saying.
If anyone could.
California's expensive.
California's expensive?
Yeah.
Like, you know, settling for like a smaller income, I feel like it's going to be hard.
Especially like you were saying.
I'm not saying settling in a sense, but you're saying like you want to take care of the kids.
Like, you know, as a mother and like you want to take these trips and time off and have like that stable traditional role sometimes.
It's hard.
Is that what you want?
The stable traditional role?
I mean, like, I would want a family and kids, and I want to be there for my kids.
And in today's economy, it's really hard, especially my parents, they both had to work.
And like, I didn't really see them too much when I was younger.
So.
So you said California is really expensive, but you said the minimum yearly income is a million dollars a year.
So you'd $150,000 or let's even put it at like $500,000 a year.
That just.
No, that's okay.
I didn't say it had to be like.
The question is, what would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
$1 million a year?
Like about.
Yeah, I guess.
I think the want in the question is what was throwing the answers and like what you were looking for specifically.
Like maybe next time and this is.
So would you prefer B?
Yeah, what is the minimum?
What would be the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
The wording, I think, is what threw some people.
Interesting how that works.
So what would your answer to if we replace want with what would be the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
Does it change?
Yeah, because I said in general, billionaire, right?
But yeah.
Uh-huh.
That's great.
Okay, so what does it change to?
I'd say like half a mil a year.
Boy, that's a really, really big jump from $1 billion to half of $1 million.
Just pointing that out.
it's a really big jump you're saying what would i want it to be specifically Not what I was about for you?
Like what I want it to be.
Like we're doing a realistic thing because that was my answer.
What would be the minimum yearly income?
I guess like half a mil.
Okay, $500,000.
I feel like I don't value money as my qualities of men that I, or top three qualities I want in a man.
So, I don't know, just anyone who can like provide for me.
Like, give me what I want.
Yeah, there's millionaires who don't make a million a year.
There's $350,000 or whatever in their millionaires.
So that is what I was getting at with my answer.
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No, you know what?
We're going to go to Junior Soprano.
Junior Soprano says, ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to ten.
You can't pick seven.
Starting with you, Alex.
Go ahead.
Can I give my honest answer of what I think or am I going to be a troll?
Okay.
Well, I've been on twice already and I said 10, so I'm going to stay with 10.
Okay.
What about you?
Like eight.
Okay.
Six.
My answer would be seven, but I guess for the sake of this, I'll go like eight or six.
It depends on the day.
You know?
Sometimes I watch the paper.
Okay, I'll put six.
I'll put six.
I got you.
I'll give myself an eight.
Okay.
I'll just say an eight too.
Into the mic if you can.
An eight.
Eight.
Okay.
What about you?
A six.
Okay.
Like a five.
Didn't you, haven't you rated it higher before?
I did 6.9.
Yeah, stick with 6.9.
6.9.
All right.
I give myself a 5.
Andrew, what about you?
I mean, I'm clearly a 10.
Clearly.
Clearly.
I actually like that energy.
I'm laughing.
What's so funny?
I like that energy.
I felt like you finally, like, we were on the same page there.
So I actually enjoyed that 100%.
Okay.
And I'm curious, though, you've had some plastic surgery, right?
Filler.
Yeah, the lip filler.
Were you a 10 before the lip filler?
No.
What were you before?
I'll give myself an eight.
So the lip filler, just to be clear, the lip filler added two points to your...
Completely changed my face.
Yeah.
That's all I do.
You can completely change your face.
Yeah, it does.
Okay.
It enhances what you naturally have.
Well, for some people, some people go a little bit too far with it, don't they?
But it can just enhance what is already there.
Okay, and then I'm curious.
So you're a 10.
Who is a guy that you think is a 10?
That's a hard one.
I don't really think about guys in that way.
Because of the billionaire thing, we get it.
Probably like Jalen Hurts.
Who the fuck is that guy?
I have no idea who the fuck is.
Okay, Jalen hurts.
Okay, can we pull, should we, Jalen, can you Google that?
Jalen Hurts.
Good one.
Yeah.
Justin Pieberry.
All right, I see it.
Justin Bieber.
Is it because he's a professional athlete?
No, that's a handsome-looking man.
You're asking me objectively attractive.
Who's an attractive person?
Okay.
That's like a 10 for you.
Yeah.
Okay.
I see.
Good smile.
And then can you tell me, like, think of a woman who's a 10 that we could pull up in the middle?
Megan Fox.
Megan Fox.
She just about to say that.
Yeah.
Megan Fox.
Sure, sure.
I think most people know what she looks like.
So your assessment of your own looks is you're just as attractive as Megan Fox in terms of your physical appearance.
Stop the cat.
I can be a delusional.
Yeah, I'm 100%.
I stick by my answer.
Oh, you said you can be delusional is what you're.
No, you can say I'm delusional.
Oh, I thought you were.
But I'm going to say, do you believe you're delusional?
Maybe.
I think that's not a bad thing entirely.
To be delusional.
Interesting.
I think life's a lot better when you're just thinking the hottest piece of ass on the bullet.
That's right.
Yeah.
I mean, that's interesting, though, because do you think that might have an impact on the kind of person you can actually get?
Whether you're a man or a woman who's delusional, if you're like, hmm, I'm this attractive.
I deserve this caliber of person, but can't get them.
Or, oh, at least for women, I can only get sexual, like sexual access to these men, but I can't lock them down for a relationship.
So do you think being delusional is actually helpful?
Yeah, because you move in the world with a different confidence.
I've never had that problem that you're talking about in terms of locking people down.
I've never purchased.
You're 27 and you've been single for three years.
You haven't.
Oh, by choice.
By choice.
But you said you've never had any trouble locking people down, but you're sleeping and fucking men.
So are you just, can you explain that?
Well, if I am hooking up with someone, it's one person at a time, but it's not like that.
Yeah, that's fine.
Cool.
Okay.
So I choose not to be in a relationship.
Okay.
That's my choice.
Sure.
But it doesn't mean that I'm not able to lock it down.
So just to be clear, all these billionaire men that you're like dating and sleeping with, you're just like, oh, I'm just going to continue to fuck different people.
I'll be it one at a time.
And I'm not going to actually, you know, get into a relationship.
Could be, if that was the case.
That could be the case.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Okay.
And do you want kids?
Yeah.
You want to be married?
Sure, someday, if I find the right guy.
Okay, if you find the right guy who's a billionaire.
Ideally.
Ideally.
Ideally, right.
Okay, that's pretty interesting.
That's such a troll.
That's not a troll.
Yeah, so you think that it would be, I guess how do I want to frame this?
If somebody, like, for example, let's say there was a guy who he lived in his mom's basement, smoked weed every day, played video games, didn't have a job.
He was like obese.
I'm trying to think what other descriptors, like Cheeto Dust, the whole meme, whatever.
And he was like, you know what?
I'm delusional.
I will only date like a like 10 out of 10 Victoria's Secret model.
Do you think like he's going to get her?
Do you think that's a fair comparison?
Absolutely.
Sure.
That's what I'm giving right now.
Yeah, you want to date a guy who makes a billion dollars a year?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
If you feel that way, though.
But why don't you answer my question before asking me a question?
Go ahead.
Do I, what's rephrase your question for me.
How about you repeat it back to me?
The question was, am I in the same boat as the person that you described?
No, I'll ask the question again.
So the guy I described, do you think it would be reasonable for him to be like, I'm not going to settle for less.
I want a Victoria's, I want a virgin, Victoria's Secret supermodel, 10 out of 10.
Not these like woke supermodels, none of that shit.
Like I'm talking like old school supermodels, that status, right?
You think he's delusional?
You think he can get a supermodel?
Like most of y'all women would clown on a dude like that who's like, I'm going to wait for us.
Victoria's Secret model.
I mean, he, first of all, that's none of my business on what that person wants and what they would try to go after.
So am I. I'm asking you to engage with the hypothetical.
Right.
Do I think they're delusional?
Sure.
Okay.
Cool.
So I said, I already told you think that.
That's cool, but do you think they're going to be able to get the Victoria Secret model?
I don't know.
I can't.
Really?
I don't know.
How about this?
If you had to bet your life on it, you had to bet your life, or you had to bet all the money that you have made and will make and currently have.
If you're a betting woman, how would you bet?
I can't answer that question.
Yes, you literally can.
It's a hypothetical.
Probably, but he wouldn't.
But is there a chance that he could?
I have no idea.
There's a lot of things that go into that.
So you would bet against him?
Sure.
Cool.
So he's delusional.
I already said that, though.
Right.
But do you think it's a good, like, if he's perhaps ignoring, let's say there's large, a lot of men who also think like him who are in his exact same position?
You don't think that this is going to, you know, lead to perhaps, and say they also want to have kids and get married.
And they're like, but I'm not settling unless I get that Victoria's Secret model.
Do you think he's going to ever have kids and get married?
Well, how is that my problem?
I'm not asking whether it's your problem or not.
Do I think he's ever going to have kids?
No, probably not, but that's not my problem.
If he wants that and he can't get that, then that's his own problem.
Right.
Yeah.
So I said, if I find somebody that I want to make my husband, that makes sense, I will get married.
If not, then I won't.
I already said that.
Sure.
Andrew, I think you had something on this.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, just a couple of questions.
So do you agree that Los Angeles, California is a place where many, many young, beautiful women go in order to make it in both Hollywood or in order to network?
It's probably one of the major places on planet Earth for young, beautiful women to go to do that.
Absolutely.
Yeah, so you would say that the competition out there is pretty stiff, right?
I don't look at other women as competition, but if you put it that way, then sure.
Well, you don't look at other women as competition?
Yeah, that's what I said.
Like, so you've never thought, wow, there's really a lot of beautiful women around me, and there's going to be some type of competing, which has to be done if you want to get a ring on your finger by a billionaire at least.
No, I don't really look at that scenario in that way.
Well, truthfully.
I've never walked into a room of bad bitches, and I'm like, damn, there's competition in here.
That's like not really how I live my life.
Okay, how do?
Well, how do you look at it then?
I'm Alex Zamora.
I live my life and I look how I look and my personality is what my personality is.
So I will gravitate towards the people that like me.
Yeah, right.
But again, you're going to have a ton of competition in that localized area, especially the Los Angeles area, all around there, Santa Barbara.
There's tons of rich yuppies all around that area, that's true.
But they can get whoever the fuck they want.
So why do they want you exactly when they can have any beautiful woman that they want?
Well, maybe they don't.
That specific guy that you're talking about.
Like, I don't know what we're even talking about here because you're trying to make me feel like I should have competition with other women, but that's just not how I run my life.
Well, that you run it that way or not, doesn't mean that that's not the fact of the matter.
The fact of the matter is, is that there's many, many women who are in a similar boat to you who would want a man who was handsome and made a lot of money.
You would agree that that's true, right?
Sure.
So what makes you exceptional in comparison to these other women?
I'm me.
All the qualities that I am and I have.
And those are my looks, my personality.
But looks-wise, you're, again, you're in a place that is known for having the most beautiful women on planet Earth.
Sure, beautiful is subjective.
Well, perhaps.
But do you think that there's a subjective standard which is shared by most people?
Sure.
Like, for instance, don't you think that if you ask most men if they thought that Megan Fox was hot or if they thought like a multiple ICU burn victim was hotter than Megan Fox, they'd probably answer Megan Fox was hotter, right?
Sure.
Now, I can concede that there may be some guy out there somewhere who wants a multiple ICU burn victim.
I have never met him, but I'm sure he exists.
But at least within the confines of the subjective standard, it seems that there would be some kind of agreement as to what a beautiful woman does look like, right?
Yes.
Yeah, okay.
So if that's the case, then you seem to, at least from the subjective, have tons and tons and tons of stiff competition, which is available to compete with you.
So I'm just asking you, what are the things which would make you stand out from that stiff competition?
My personality.
What's so great about that?
What's so great about my personality?
Yeah.
I'm actually really funny, but you guys are, I don't know.
Tell me a joke.
Make me laugh.
I've already made you laugh with my delusional answers.
You haven't made me laugh, but tell me a joke, funny lady.
Come on.
That's not really my humor.
I'm not like.
I don't want to laugh.
I want to laugh.
Come on.
Well, she's funny, not a comedian.
No.
No, got it.
Thank you.
All right.
What else?
What are the other things that really make you stand out?
I am loyal.
I cook.
I clean.
So the competition that you would have would be against other potential women who are beautiful, at least whatever your subjective standard was for, because you're 10, right?
So that would leave an awful lot of other 10s also in competition who are loyal and cooking clean.
Gee, I could see where a millionaire would really, I mean, he would be like, damn.
You're so right.
Really?
That really, that's the thing that grabbed me.
Because all these other women don't aren't loyal and don't cook and clean.
Doesn't that seem strange to you?
It's honestly hard to find that these days.
Like, low-key.
But sure, if you feel that.
It's hard for a millionaire to find a pretty woman who cooks, cleans, and is loyal.
Really?
That's hard for them.
Yeah, that's difficult for a millionaire to find in LA, probably, yeah.
Where they have like the whitest selection ever, which would be LA of exactly that, you know.
Okay.
All right.
Well, I mean, that's really all I had on it.
I don't know where Brian went, but we don't either.
Yeah, I have no idea.
Well, let me ask you a question.
You guys, you think raise your hand if you said that you're above an eight.
Yeah, your self-assessment was above an eight or an eight or higher.
Just one.
Yeah.
Okay.
So I just, I'm just curious, right?
I'm always curious about this.
If I ask you in the center chair, the redhead, I'm sorry, I didn't catch your name over here.
I usually have my notepad down here.
Yeah, yeah, that's nice.
Okay, but I didn't have it handy.
So my apologies in advance.
What makes you an eight, do you think?
I don't know.
I think personality-wise, right?
Everyone wants to always say my personality, but it's a self-assessment for beauty.
Okay.
And aesthetic.
I would say I have a bit of a different look.
I have crazy big red hair.
I don't know.
I just look a little bit alternative.
From the attention that I have received throughout my life, I'm judging it on that also.
But then that would be personality as well.
It's kind of like as a whole.
But yeah, I think I've learned to like myself enough to know that, yeah, I'm good looking.
I think it'd be quite worrying if I thought I was less than that, to be honest, with the life experience that I have.
Okay.
And then, chair one, what are the things that make you a 10 from a from a subjective beauty standpoint?
I have a different look also.
I'm half Asian, half Filipino, half Italian, high cheekbones, cute little button nose, big dough eyes that look right into your soul.
I don't even know where the camera is.
Where's the fucking handler?
I mean, look at that.
I have an athletic build.
You know, whether Brian likes it or not, I'm getting a boob job next month.
So.
No more egg cups.
Yeah, I mean, like, I'm athletic.
I'm fit.
I have a six-pack.
My face is subjectively very unattractive.
I don't know if you guys have seen her side profile, but it's me.
I know it's a perfect name.
I'm getting a nose job.
So it's honestly.
Oh, if I can kiss you on the forehead.
Yeah, your nose is bad.
Thank you.
I've been getting a lot of nose job allegations.
And like, I'm not a gatekeeper.
So if I did get a nose job, I totally would put you guys on, give you the surgeon, but this is my nose.
I just contacted you.
That was surgeon.
I would like pay you for the answer.
I'll give it to you.
No, a lot of people are like coming for me on the internet.
Like, you got a nose job.
Stop lying.
I'm like, I wouldn't lie.
I'm very honest.
That's one thing about me.
Maybe delusional, but I'm honest.
All right.
I'm going to, Andrew, did you have more or I had to step away for a moment there?
Nope, I'm good.
All right.
Okay, we're going to get this.
Oh, no, we already got the chat, so we're all good on that.
How about this?
We got a different question related to this.
Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time?
So you're 27.
Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time at 37?
I honestly do.
I feel like at 27, I still have a bit of a baby face.
So as I get a little bit older, I think my face will be a little bit more like snatched.
Maybe I'll peak in my 30s.
That's been my answer consistently over the past two shows also.
Okay, and then better looking in 20 years time?
20 years?
Like I said, I think I'm going to peak in my 30s.
So maybe my 40s, you know, I'll be age with grace.
Yeah.
But I think when I'm in my 30s, I'm going to be like peak adult, like snatched type of look.
Okay, so 37 better than 27, but 47 not better than 27.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then you better looking at 27 or 18?
27.
Okay.
You're 22.
Yes.
Is that your actual age?
Yeah, I'm 22.
22.
Okay.
You're better looking.
Will you be better looking in 10 years time at 32?
Yeah, I think so.
It's kind of the same answer.
I feel like I need to mature into my looks.
Still kind of like young.
I'd say baby face, maybe.
Sure, 20 years time at 42?
I don't know about better, but it wouldn't be bad because my mom is beautiful and she's like much older than that.
And she just aged really well.
So I hope I age just like her too.
But do you think you'll be better looking than at 22 at 42?
I feel like I'll probably be more youthful at 22.
So maybe, yeah, look more mature at 42.
Okay.
You're 28, better looking in 10 years time at 38.
Yes, I think so, because I think I just recently started getting pretty.
So I think I get prettier every year since like three years ago.
You just started getting it.
Love it when that happens.
I'm not going to say more of that.
You get a certain age, I feel like as a girl, where like you're like, okay, wait, I'm starting to get into my more like adult looking.
Yeah, I mean, it's because of my genetics, too.
Yeah.
Like, I look like pre-pubescent.
I still get cocky.
What about 20 years time at 48?
Better looking?
I don't know.
I think I would look good for my age, like at 48.
But will you be better looking than you do now at 28?
No, I think I'll probably look better right now.
Okay.
And then compared 28 going back 10 years to 18, better looking now?
Definitely.
I wasn't cute at 18.
Okay.
You're 19, better looking in 10 years' time at 29?
Probably, yeah.
I think I'll grow into my features.
20 years time, 39?
You know, my mom is hot, and like she's always been hot.
And then don't even get me started on my grandma.
Like, I have good genetics, so I'm trying not to be cocky.
But it's not really.
If I'm going to be cocky, then like, yeah, absolutely, probably.
I think.
What do you think, though?
In my family, everyone has consistently gotten more beautiful.
Like, my grandma, people stop her on the street to tell her that she's beautiful for her age.
Yeah.
So I think I just got really lucky genetics wise.
I think also like your glow from within.
I hope that once I'm, like, settled into the life that I want, I'll be able to afford to look the way I want to look, and I think...
What do you mean by that?
Like plastic surgery?
No, just like dressing better and taking better care of myself and whatnot.
What do they call it?
Look maxing or something like that?
Yeah.
So is it the case that yes, you'll be better look you think you'll be better looking at 39 than you are now at 19.
I'd say I'd hope it stays like about the same.
But is that an okay answer?
I mean, yeah, that can be if your answer is I think I'll look the same, that can be your answer.
I don't think I'll look the same, but I hope that I'll like scale the same.
You'll scale the same.
So you'll be just as attractive.
Hopefully.
Okay, what about 30 years time 49?
Probably not, but I think like, again, my mom is hot, so it's hard to say.
If I look anything like my mom, I'll be hot.
Do you think if like you and your I'm not sure if your mom is single, well, you're not single, if you and your mom were together at like a bar, do you think we get stopped?
No, I sure, but do you think you would out-compete your mom?
See, that's hard.
She was a model, um, and she was a pretty successful model at that.
Um, I don't know.
I don't think I think now, probably, yeah, I'm 19 and she's in her like late 50s, so yeah.
Okay, you're 35.
Uh, will you be better looking in 10 years' time at 45?
I mean, I'd like to think so, but who knows?
Um, I feel like women are becoming like more in their prime, older now.
I feel like older women are more like they're coming into their beauty.
I feel like years ago, 45 would have been pretty old, but now it's like you're still actually quite young.
So, yeah, I mean, it's definitely not like that.
Do you think that?
Well, I meet loads of girls.
I mean, that's not what the data shows either.
I mean, well, I meet a lot of women.
I'll explain what I mean so that you know, right?
So, if you look at what men are attracted to or what men are saying they're attracted to, it doesn't seem to matter what their age is.
Like, let's say they're 20, they're 22 all the way up to 92, right?
They all still are the most attracted to the 22, 23-year-old women.
This kind of tracks, and it makes a lot of sense because youth is associated with fertility.
So, it would make sense that men are hardwired to go after the youthful appearance of women because that's the thing that would make them attractive from an evolutionary perspective.
Men would be going towards the thing which would attract them, which should be fertility.
That would be the way for us to perpetuate the species.
So, that makes sense.
I understand what you're saying, but I do also think a lot of women look a lot younger than they actually are.
And they're looking after themselves a lot better than they were.
And they don't have all the shit all over their face.
Yeah.
They don't have all the stuff tucked in all the different places in the clothes.
You know what I mean?
Then suddenly it's a different appearance, right?
Yeah.
But what I'm saying is, is that ultimately, it does appear that men generally seem to be attracted towards youth.
It doesn't matter if you're 30 or 45 and you're constantly trying to present yourself as being more youthful than you are.
They still seem to want to select for the younger women if they can.
And that completely makes sense to me.
Yeah.
I was asking for clarification.
Was the question attractive in terms of the male gaze or the female gaze?
Was there like a distinguishing there?
Because I think maybe we were all answering probably on like, obviously from us.
Yeah, I mean, I would say it's more so, like, when we're thinking of attraction, we're typically talking about like most women are heterosexual.
So like they're not romantically or sexually attracted.
Women might be able to make like looks assessments towards other women, but I'd say we're talking about from the male perspective.
Gotcha.
Yeah, I think that's where our answers maybe were skewed because from like have you heard of that before like the woman gaze and the male gaze?
Sure.
Okay.
Well, I was just saying like from a woman's gaze, right?
Like we look at another woman in a very specific way and you're like, oh, that's a beautiful, like a beautiful woman.
And it's typically someone that is a little bit like more mature in their facial features.
I completely agree.
Like I was talking about in my personal opinion, not in like what you think Carolina thinks of you.
I'm just going to get through.
I think that's what I think is always what's most important.
So I don't know if we finished up.
Better looking in 10 years time at 45?
Sorry.
Better looking in 10 years time at 45?
I'm going to say no.
Okay.
And you're 35?
Were you better looking 10 years ago at 25?
No, actually, I'm better looking now.
Better looking now?
Yeah.
You're 20, better looking in 10 years' time at 30.
Me?
Oh, um.
Could you repeat that?
Sure.
So, you're currently 20.
Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time at 30?
One eternity.
Later.
You never know.
You never know.
I could be.
But.
Yeah, what do you think?
Yeah.
For, like, from my point of view, yes.
From others, maybe not.
Okay.
20 years' time, 40.
More attractive, better looking.
And this pertains to looks.
So 40 versus 20?
I don't know.
I'm pretty youthful and good looking right now.
I might look more like mature and like a different type of beauty.
Yeah.
Okay.
30 years' time at 50, better looking at 50 or now at 20?
Same.
Same?
Different type of beauty.
Different, okay.
40 years' time, 60 versus 20.
Again, same, different type of beauty.
70.
Just growing.
Sure, 70.
70?
70.
I guess.
Just maturing into the person I become.
Her grandma.
I just like her.
Yeah, her grandma is sexy.
No, I'm talking about your grandma.
Okay.
We're not related.
I'm saying your genes.
I mean, I'd just be happy to still be alive to be.
Yeah.
I enjoy it.
Okay.
What about you, Des?
So you're 18, better looking in 10 years' time at 28.
Yeah, probably.
20 years' time, 38?
Yeah.
30 years' time, 48?
Yeah.
40 years' time, 58?
Probably not.
Okay, so your peak is one, 38, 48.
What do you think?
Like, 48.
Your looks are going to peak at 48.
Oh, no.
Probably 30.
Hey.
30.
Okay.
But you do think at 48 you will be better looking than you are now?
Yeah.
Okay.
And Felicity, you've already done it, so we'll just skip.
I guess a couple clarifying questions here.
Let me let the chat come through, then I'll ask some questions.
Scott Bobble donated to the all the way to the 100?
These girls are delusional.
Thank you, Redhead Girl.
It makes me think we might hit someone with a brain.
Have fun, Andrew.
This will be fun being a bit.
Yo, Scott, thank you for the TTS, man.
Appreciate it.
There you have it.
Thank you, man.
A couple questions for you.
Every single girl here who said, yes, I'll be better looking in 10, 20, 30, 40 years' time, whatever it is.
If the whatever podcast here, so there's two ways we can approach this.
I'll do the plastic surgery one.
I'm prepared to pay for your plastic surgery to get plastic surgery to age you.
So like age your face, facial, whatever.
And we can do like tattoo stuff.
There's tattoo stuff.
We can like do certain plastic surgery that'll age you forward how you're going to look because y'all are saying I'm going to be better looking 10, 20, 30 years down the road.
We can actually do plastic surgery to age you.
We'll pay for it.
We can add crow speed.
We can add all the bags.
We can add the whole nine years.
And so we'll pay for it and we'll pay you $5,000 on top of it to do.
And because I mean, you guys are all saying, well, I'll be better looking then or just as good looking.
I suppose this perhaps applies more to those of you who said I'll be better looking.
Anybody here willing to take the offer?
I think the reason I say I look more pretty then is because I created that.
Because sometimes, like Eve was saying, like look maxing and like different things like that.
It's like the beauty comes from the growth that you had.
Yeah, but we're talking about physical looks.
Aesthetically.
I mean, I think people with smile lines are like objectively pretty because you can tell that they're enjoying their.
Sure, I'm not even going to dispute it.
People with smile lines can be, that can be like an attractive characteristic.
But the question is, who here is willing to actually like step up to the plate?
We'll pay for the procedure.
I'll give you $5,000 on top of it.
We will and we'll get you the plastic surgery to make you look more attractive.
Like who here, does anybody here want to be less attractive?
Who here wants to be more attractive?
More.
I mean, more.
Absolutely.
Okay, so who's willing to sign a legally binding contract and we'll pay for the plastic surgery procedure and we'll give you $5,000 on top of that and we will ageify you.
So you said you'll be better looking at 48.
We can make you 48.
Yeah.
Are you willing to do it?
I don't really want to go into surgery.
You probably won't get carded as much.
Okay.
You just use a face app instead.
Let me do a different example.
Let's say I could, since you guys won't bite on this one, which calls into question the dubiousness of your previous answers.
Let's say I could wave a magic wand.
I wave a magic wand and magically, however y'all said would be your peak or you said you'd be looking better at 48, 30, what, you know, 30, 40s, whatever.
I wave a magic wand and you don't, you don't actually age internally at all.
Inside, you're the same.
But everything external, skin, face, whatever, that ages.
But you're not going to get any health problems sooner than you otherwise would.
You're not going to die sooner than you otherwise would.
But your outward external appearance, we're going to age that forward 10, 20, 30 years.
Magic wand.
Absolutely not.
Do you take it?
No.
I think there's beauty.
Oh, and just to be clear, you stay there.
So like, let's say we age you forward 10 years.
You don't like, you stay at that 10-year forward look for 10 years.
So it's not like, okay, when you're 80, you're going to look 90 type thing.
Who takes it?
Magic wand.
I feel like I would.
You would.
So, and what you said.
Because I feel like I want to look more like a woman.
Yeah.
You want to look more like a woman.
Yeah, because I feel like I look more like a girl.
You look more like a man right now?
A girl.
A girl.
Are you trans or I'm just no, I look more like a girl rather than like a woman.
You look like a woman in her late 20s.
I don't think.
Chat, do you here?
Chat.
Do you think she looks, what do you think?
How old do you think you look?
12?
I've gotten, I've gotten in high school like pretty recently, like maybe like two weeks ago.
How tall are you?
I honestly thought.
Okay, sometimes height can play a factor there, but how old are you?
28.
28.
I'd say 22, 23.
Anybody take the magic wand offer?
The second one?
No.
The first one.
I just said I have a baby face.
So if you were to like make my face not look like a baby face and snatch it, then sure.
Sure.
But like in terms of like crow's feet and all that, like I get Botox for that anyway.
So it's not going to happen.
No, I mean like I want to look more mature if that makes sense.
So do you want to do the surgery though?
We can do it.
No, I don't want to do any surgery because I would, if I got surgery, I'd obviously get like a no-shop and boop job, but I don't want to go under it.
Why obviously?
Why is that obvious?
Because I feel like it makes people look better.
Like one surgery can like change your entire look basically.
Okay.
Why is it obvious?
Because I don't have boobs.
Okay, that's sure.
All right.
Wait.
Oh, can you pull up?
Can you check the Discord?
Do you remember how to do the check the so we age advanced all of you guys with the AI?
While he's so do you know where to go?
You go to the research tab in Discord.
Do you see the age advancements?
Oh my God, what is going on?
Okay.
While he's doing that, Jamie says, Chair one said, I'm half Asian, half Filipino, which is Asian and half Italian, and not one chick on the panel asked any questions about it.
What is there to ask questions about that?
Wait, Jamie, what do you...
Half, half, half.
I think it actually tracks.
I mean.
Wait, what?
That's not the explanation.
When she says half Asian, half Filipino, what she's saying is the half Asian is the Filipino.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then the other half is the Italian.
Yes.
And the other half is crazy bitch.
Yeah, something along those lines.
Delusion.
Gets under.
Okay, do you have that?
Have they come through?
They have not.
They haven't.
Wait, are you in the research tab?
I haven't in the research tab.
Oh, that's strange.
Okay.
Well, I'll come back and check it out really quick.
Andrew, do you have a quick, while I'm just going back there, quick thing on this, Andrew, when it comes to that?
Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't mind engaging.
Have you guys ever heard of the wall?
No.
The wall is this other magic thing, except it actually exists in objective reality.
And every woman eventually hits it, right?
Every woman eventually hits the wall.
And what this is signifying is that when you hit the wall, essentially your attractive level, you're past whatever that prime is, and you're not going back to it.
Now, as all of you are saying that if we aged you forward, do you think that you would be much more attractive?
And this isn't to pick on anybody, but there is a woman in the room right now who's 35 years old.
Okay, she's 35 years old.
You do realize that you can't escape age.
She knows it.
She's 35.
You can't escape, right?
There's just no escape for any of you.
You are going to hit that number.
And do you honestly think that you're going to look the same that you do now or better?
You don't think that that's slightly delusional?
Like, for instance, I'll give you an example.
Do you think that if the average like 25-year-old millionaire had to select between the 35-year-old or the young women who were here from the 35-year-old's perspective, which one do you think they would select for?
I think they would probably go for somebody that's younger.
Yeah.
Because they want young.
That is a thing.
I do see that.
I do see that.
They've always got like a young girl on their arm and it's like more of like a trophy kind of thing.
I do, it does make sense.
I mean, at my age...
It's not just a trophy thing.
It's an attraction thing.
Like you can't be with people you're not attracted to, right?
No.
You can imagine that people, there has to be attraction for there to be a relationship, right?
Like that's at least, I think, a thing we can all agree on.
You got to be attracted to who the person is you're with.
So it's like, if it is the case that they would select for all of the other women who are in the room, what you're saying is that the men would be attracted, more attracted to the other women in the room.
It's not a dunk or even trying to beat up on you.
It's just pointing out the distinction between at 35, 40 years old, you're not going to look anywhere like you do right now.
And that's the usual take to think otherwise.
Does that make sense?
But like even Kardashian and Megan Fox look so good and they're like in their 40s.
When you're older.
So you have a combination of plastic surgery, personal trainers, huge amounts of makeup, filters, everything else in between.
Sometimes, though, these actresses get snapshot.
They get, you know, a paparazzi takes a quick snap while they're not in their filtered, makeup-induced, you know, Hollywood glam.
And they don't look so great, do they?
A lot of them don't look so great.
You look at them and you're like, huh, she just looks like a plain chick after all.
What's her name?
When all that glam is gone.
Haley.
I just, but like from Haley's perspective, right, she already is in her mid-30s.
And I think a lot of us kind of said we would peak attractively in our mid-30s, or at least I think a couple of months ago.
Yeah.
And you feel like you are more attractive than you were, right?
With your glow-up over the past 10 years.
Yeah.
I personally think in my 30s will be my peak.
I'm not saying at 40, in my 40s, I'm going to be more attractive than now, but I would say in my 30s, I'm going to peak.
Yeah, I mean, probably you're going to peak in your mid-20s like almost every other woman does.
I also think that it's quite hard.
There's a reason why the peak for women is in their 20s.
Again, this is a referent to childbearing.
It's a referent to fertility.
Men would be biologically and necessarily hardwired to be attracted towards women who are fertile.
The older women get, the less fertile they become.
It's really, it's that simple.
It's just basic math, right?
Can I ask you a question?
Is that okay?
Sure.
Sure.
When do you think men peak?
And if so, do you think you've already peaked?
Well, women don't have the same problem with men.
Tell me, oh, yeah, I peaked years ago.
I'm a health science major.
I'm ugly and old, but I don't give a shit, right?
It's not important to me.
But the thing is, is that for men, when you're talking about a peak, women aren't tying things into fertility because men are always fertile.
I mean, they're almost, they're basically always fertile.
They're having babies in their 90s.
Women are not.
Okay.
No, but men have ED.
Hang on.
Sorry.
So it's not tied necessarily to fertility.
Women could be attracted to men based around resources, protection, social status, and the hierarchy.
These are things that men aren't generally attracted to women over, though.
They don't care about what a woman's status is in the hierarchy.
If you're a beautiful girl who works at Starbucks, you're just as attractive to the millionaire as if you're a beautiful girl who works in Hollywood.
It's not important where you stand in the hierarchical structure of things like it is from a woman's perspective with men.
Okay.
Yeah.
Does that make sense?
So we're selecting for different things.
I mean, it makes sense, but also, like, I don't know.
I don't know.
I guess it makes enough sense.
I'll take that answer.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, we're just selecting for different things, right?
It's like a woman in her 20s knows a man in his 40s can still impregnate her.
And if she has tons of re he has tons of resources and he's reasonably attractive, that seems like a pretty good gambit for her, right?
But for a man to get together with a woman in her 40s, chances of fertility very, very, I mean, they significantly decrease even by the time they get her early 30s, they begin to significantly decrease.
So this is going by men that obviously want children.
They're not going to look at a woman that's 35 and find them that attractive men who want children.
That's incorrect.
How men perceive attractive, what is attractive, is going to be tied to fertility because it's hardwired whether they want kids or not.
So that's going back to caveman times, that instinct.
Well, it's just going into human physiognomy.
So that's just true.
What he's saying is true.
Unfortunately, I'm just asking for a clarification.
Wait, why is it unfortunate, though?
I mean, I think that women should be looked at as more than like just an incubator for babies.
And I know that it's hardwired.
Like I said, I just completely understand that it is.
No, that's an incorrect take anyway.
No one is saying that women should be looked at as only incubators.
We're just talking about attraction.
So you can't be with a person, you're not attracted.
Well, I think men should be looked at as more than wallets, but some of you just want a billionaire, right?
And that's more important than personality, apparently.
So they should be looked at as more than just wallets and, you know, your system of protection, right?
And you say, I think that you do look at men as not just that, right?
You don't just look at them as wallets, right?
So, but so why would I assume that because you found a man more attractive because he made more money, that that means you only see him as that.
Okay.
I feel like that kind of clarifies things.
So you're saying it represents fertility, but they also need to be attracted to other things.
This isn't just the reason they are attracted to them is because it makes sense for the survival of the species for men to be attracted, most the most attracted to fertile women.
Sure.
You want men in the species to be fighting over the most fertile women.
You want them to be warring and competing and doing all the shit that they need to do in order to get the most fertile women.
Why?
Because they're stressful.
They're genetics, right?
The most fertile women are going to be younger.
And so, of course, the attraction level is going to be the highest.
There's like that from just a survival of the human race perspective, that's necessary, right?
And all the men, in other words, let's say we switched it and all the men became only attracted to 60-year-old women, right?
They want nothing to do with young, fertile women anymore.
They were only attracted to 60-year-olds.
That would be a terrible survival strategy for our species, right?
That would be like a terrible, but the species would go extinct, right?
Totally.
So I'm just asking for a clarification in terms of like physical attributes of a woman, like what makes them more attractive specifically.
Does that make sense?
From like a guy, right?
If you walk into a bar and you're like looking and gazing across all of the women in the bar.
The characteristics of preferences may vary between from man to man, right?
For what they distinctly find attractive in individual women, perhaps some like bigger eyes, some like smaller eyes, some like bigger breasts, some like smaller breasts.
That can vary, but there's going to be some things which are universals.
One thing that's going to be universal is that generally the younger the woman is, you know, obviously within reason, women we're talking about here, the younger they are, generally, the more attractive they appear to the opposite sex, at least from the man's perspective.
So if, and this is just a theoretical, so if in 10 years I'm saying I peak because I don't have as much of a baby face, but I still have the same build, I'm still pretty like tiny.
I have a youthful looking body still, how will that distinguish?
Because if men can select, if the type of man you want is the type of man who can select for the younger version of you, he will because he'll be instinctually more attracted to that.
Now, this is not always the case, and it's not going to be the case with every man, but it'll be generally the case, and the stats seem to bear this out.
Okay.
Yeah.
I think it's fair to say generally, yeah.
Yeah.
Obviously, it's not always going to be the case, but nothing ever is, right?
Yeah, no, no, I totally understand what you're saying.
I get what you're saying.
Okay.
We have a chat here from Happy.
Happy says, women see themselves as most attractive at 25 to 45 when they find men most appealing, while men prefer women 18 to 30.
This fits evolution.
Male ancestors bred at 25 to 45, females at 18 to 30.
Women should note men view them differently.
This also explains why they think men liking 18 to 24 is gross.
It gives them the ick.
Thank you, Happy, for the big $200 soup chat, man.
Really appreciate it.
Yeah, it's a matter of competition.
So most of the time, when I reduce down when I'm arguing with women over age gaps, they get very upset.
Many women do over 45-year-old men who are dating 20-year-old women.
They call it predatory.
They call it all sorts of different things.
But when you reduce it down, they essentially just say, well, it just gives them the ick, right?
Well, the thing is, is like they have to compete.
They have to compete against the fact that 45-year-old men can get women who are in their not that many, but at least the men that they would select for when they're in their 40s, who have kind of the high status and a lot of money, can oftentimes get younger women and are more attracted to them.
And I think that makes women very jealous, makes them very upset.
So they call them creeps and predators and this and that, but I think it's just socially shamed men into not being attracted to women who are between 18 and 30, even though in order for the human species to perpetuate itself, they kind of need to.
Yeah, it is interesting, Andrew.
It seems like in terms of men's preferences, there's a lot of bullying and shaming.
Like if a girl wants an older guy, it's a preference.
Guy wants a younger woman, creepy, icky, predatory, manipulative, exploitative, huh?
Is that I think it's the motive behind it?
What do you mean, the motive?
Like, that's why they're seeking younger women.
Yeah, well, if the motive is because they want to have sex with them and have babies with them.
They want to have sex with a hot woman.
Like, that's the motive.
The motive.
Like, but think about it.
It actually makes sense, right?
The motivation of if men were attracted again to 60-year-olds, right?
That would devastate all of humankind.
There would not be a humanity left.
So, of course, yes, 40, 45, 50-year-old men would love, if they're single, to have a 22, 23, 24-year-old.
Well, of course.
Like, that completely makes sense to me.
It's totally logical, totally within the confines of reason from my perspective.
So, the only thing I can think of is like, there must be some significant competition there that women who are in those age brackets, they kind of get upset of it.
So, they just say, well, they're predators and they're this and that.
And it's like, well, they just want to reproduce, right?
They want to reproduce their genetics.
That's like priority number one for a species.
And when it comes to the preferences, it's like, okay, a girl doesn't want to date a short guy, preference.
Guy doesn't want to date a fat woman.
Oh, shallow, jerk, asshole, judgmental, body shaming.
Girl wants a guy who's dominant, preference.
Man wants a woman who's submissive, misogyny.
Girl sets a boundary, empowering.
Guy sets a boundary, controlling.
Just kind of interesting.
Whenever men have any sort of preferences when it comes to dating.
In fact, I'm going to take it further, Brian, and say I think that men probably have a duty.
They probably actually have a duty to marry women when women are in their 20s for the purpose of starting a family.
You're going to have the healthiest children, the most chance for them to be able to pass their genetics on.
And ultimately, it's probably their best mating strategy ultimately to do this.
So I mean, for humanity to thrive, we need to have human beings.
I think I would say that there's actually a moral imperative, maybe, for men to select within that age bracket if they can't.
Sure.
Do we have the age advancements yet?
If anybody's watching who does those in the Discord, send them through.
We really need it for today's show.
Oh, it's because I didn't post the story yet.
By the way, I posted, I just did the story.
There was a delay on getting that because we were already behind.
So the story is up if you want to use that as the source for the age advancement for that segment.
And then we'll do gender swaps too if you guys can.
Guys, really quick, just a reminder: read is 100, TTS is 200 if you want to get it in.
Okay, we're going to get back to this.
How tall are you, and what's the minimum height of a man that you would date?
I answered that one already.
We'll just go.
Doesn't matter.
Okay, what about you?
I'm 5'4, and I said like 5'9.
5'9?
Yeah.
What about you?
I'm 5'8.
I put 6'2 because I don't want my kids to be short.
Okay, so the guy has to take the L. Like the guy you marry has to take the L on that one.
No, I think I feel like a tall gene is dominant.
Is it?
I don't know.
No, I feel like a lot of people have like short moms and their dad is tall.
It depends.
In the gene pool.
It's not something that can necessarily be like dominant or.
So you wouldn't date a guy who's like 6'1?
No, I would.
Oh, okay.
What about like 5'10?
I've dated a guy that was like 5'5.
Yeah, you dated him, but probably sounds like it wasn't ideal.
So the minimum height, though, of a man you would date, you said 6'2.
Well, I was manifesting, but yeah.
Yeah, she was manifesting.
Okay.
So you're five foot, and the minimum height of a guy is six foot two.
What about you?
I am five foot eight, and I think I put five foot nine.
Sure, okay.
Yeah, I feel like that's fair.
You know, I want someone at least an inch taller than me.
That's my personal preference.
Excuse me.
As a tall woman, though, people have been like, she's cute, but she's a little too tall for me.
And so I feel like I try to go easy on the whole height thing.
If you have a beautiful soul and a beautiful face, then like, I don't know, let's talk about it.
Let's figure it out.
You've been you're five foot nine and guys have turned you down.
Oh, excuse me.
I'm five foot eight and men have turned you down because of high school.
You know, like the immature insecurity thing, like, oh my god, she's taller than I am, type thing.
Sure.
What about you?
I am 5'8, and I would say 6' because then I could.
Minimum, right?
6'1 ⁇ .
Minimum, yeah, because then I could wear heels and not look like an avatar in comparison to them.
What about you?
Oh, I put like my saint, like my height and a calendar.
So you're five foot eight.
Okay.
What about you, Des?
I'm 5'2, and I'd probably say like 5'6.
Okay.
Should be at least 5'6 or taller.
Okay, got it.
All right.
What do you think?
You know, you were saying, oh, well, it's really, I think you said it was unfortunate that men have this preference that they want to date younger women.
That's unfortunate.
Do you think it's unfortunate that, for example, she's five feet and the minimum height of a guy she would date is 6'2 ⁇ , and we would be prepared to make arguments that there's a biological and evolutionary basis for why women are attracted to tall men.
I think unfortunately.
But you think it's unfortunate that she has this particular preference?
I think unfortunate wasn't a good word choice.
Okay.
Do you object?
I don't know if it's like an objection or.
Can you rephrase the question one more time?
Do you object to her being five feet and her minimum height for a guy that she would date is six foot two, which is, I think, I think 6'3, you get into the 1 percentile.
Yeah, or the 99th percentile, rather.
We're talking like biological, like you guys keep bringing up, like our instincts, or are we talking like morality?
Because I feel like that.
I mean, I'm not talking about like from a philosophical, just do you object to it?
I don't object to that.
I think that we're all allowed to have our own.
So like I'm 35, if I want to date like a 20-year-old, you're cool with it?
Yeah.
No, no objections.
I mean, you have to remember, I already said, like, I'm fine with HCFs.
Oh, okay, then.
That's fine.
All right.
The question, the guy who you forgot about, who you just, it's out of your memory, but you did date him for eight months, and that was your closest you've ever been to a relationship ever.
How tall was he?
I think he was 5'8.
He was 5'8.
All right.
Can I add something?
Sure, go ahead.
So I feel like all over social media when I was younger, I always saw people like, oh, six-foot guys, six-foot guys.
But that's in the perspective of like, you know, a taller girl.
But since I was like fed that information, like, oh, six-foot guys are like the hottest.
Like, so I had that mindset.
And then like people always like post like Maddie and Nathan, or is his name Nathan from Euphoria?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, they always like post that, like, pictures of that.
No, like, Jacob Alardi and Alexa Demi.
No idea.
Well, they always like post them together and like they have a huge height difference.
And I feel like as a short person, like I was like, oh, I love that.
Yeah.
So then I was like, okay, this is normal to have these like preferences as well.
But then like, I mean, I was with like short people.
So.
Okay.
Can you tell?
I'm curious.
Tell us about your eight-month not relationship, I guess.
What do you want to know?
If you had to categorize this ethereal sort of kind of, but not really, but kind of relationship, but not really hook up, sneaky link, however you want to, how would you categorize it?
I want to say that I was dating him, but he was dating other girls too, and he let me know that.
Okay.
So he let you know up front.
Yes.
And that's why I don't say that he's my boyfriend because like he was obviously with other people.
And I guess second to him, what's the longest period of time you were talking to another guy?
Like have you like a three month, four month, five month?
Yeah, probably like five months is probably the second longest.
Okay.
And have you wanted a relationship or?
I think it depends on the person because I think I want it with them.
And then like that's why I stay with them for that long in a talking stage.
But then I find out things about them.
I'm like, you know, I'm glad I didn't make it official with them.
Yeah.
And you said, so you've never said to anybody or considered anybody a boyfriend?
Yes.
Have you ever said I love you to a guy?
No.
Okay.
Huh.
Do you say I love you when you're just dating them?
No, not necessarily, but it's plausible.
You could have told a guy you loved him.
Were you in love with any guy?
I feel like I was in love with them, but probably not like the definition of like real love.
But I thought I was in love with them because I've like never been that far.
So I probably like don't know.
Yeah.
Do you think you're going to like start soon or like not be celibate anymore?
Or I mean just pursue a relationship, long-term relationship?
Like that's not like my priority, but what is your priority?
I think just like making money and like living life.
What do you mean by living life?
Like going to raves and shit?
Oh my God, no.
Like OMG, no.
Not the rave.
No, I mean, I'm actually, I've been sober for since Labor Day, but.
When was Labor Day?
September 3rd.
It was like six months.
Okay.
Oh, done.
Yeah.
So before that, what was it?
You were like on heroin or what were you doing?
Oh, I was on meth, actually.
No, I'm just kidding.
No, I was vaping.
I was vaping and drinking.
Vaping and drinking.
Yeah.
But I like I want to quit vaping, so I stopped doing it.
That's quite a hard thing to give up, to be with that.
And then you said you were focusing on money, or what did you say?
Yeah, just like making money.
Like, I'm not really like thinking about a man.
You know what I mean?
Like, I'm just like going to work, going to bed.
Are you on any dating apps?
No.
Have you ever been?
No.
No dating apps.
No, because I'm not seeking a man.
Like, I'm not seeking a relationship.
Are you seeking a woman or what do you know?
I just like, I don't prioritize that, you know?
Do you miss having sex?
Sorry.
I'm just honestly kind of.
Honestly, no.
So that's not a thing for you, because obviously celibacy.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm not missing out because I feel like most of the men I've been with, it wasn't like fun, like doing it with them.
I've previously worked at a sex store.
A lot of women are happy celibate with like the items on the market these days.
It's insane.
Like I used to sell this one that would like go up and down and vibrate on the clitoris at the same time.
And like that's better than most straight men.
That's better sex.
But I look, I. There's a guaranteed orgasm in that.
And I feel like I'm getting noise.
No, I'm just kidding.
I agree.
Yeah.
The rose.
I mean.
Sorry to bring that up.
No, I understand like sex is hot.
Sure.
Sex is important in a relationship, but I think that there's other components of a relationship that are also important.
I was adding on to the celibacy.
Yeah, no, sure, that's fun.
So you're saying you never climaxed with a guy?
Any takers?
I'm just kidding.
Wait, so you're saying she like brought up sex toys and shit, so you're just like blasting crazy ass sex toys and no, I don't, I don't have sex toys.
You don't have sex toys?
No.
Are you able to question?
And if it, I mean, if it's too prying, whatever, are you able to make yourself climax?
No.
Okay, then I don't blame the guys.
Like, I mean, granted, there are women who can make themselves climax, and then the guys are just totally fumbling.
But like, if you can't make yourself climax, I think.
Like, not really.
I feel like I'm not really in tune with my sexuality.
Talk to me about tonight.
I got some products to show you.
So if you ever had an orgasm.
No.
Oh, my God.
You have a clash.
Wait, come.
Are you trolling?
No, I'm not.
I swear.
You've never had an O.
No, I swear.
Like, I haven't.
That's why, like, I don't really care about celibate forever, too.
Do you have a clitoris?
I think so.
Wow.
Do you want to see it?
That's where we're going to start here.
There's going to talk after this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Are you saying this is like.
Never mind, never mind.
No, yeah.
You guys can see.
You guys have to see it.
But she's like, you never, in the name of degeneracy, is going on here.
Wait, you never tried?
Oh, my God.
Like, you never tried to double-click your mouse?
Like, I feel like I have tried, but then, like, I get bored and I'm like, okay.
But the figure is a little bit more.
I only have my hands.
You know what I mean?
And I also have my nails on.
I don't have toy with the nails.
Oh, yeah.
That's why I'm like, I can't.
Like, I'm limited.
Hold up your nails.
I'm limited with my nails.
Yeah, that's going to fuck you up.
Nah, not an example.
Well, it depends on how you use them, you know?
I have a question.
I have a question.
Go ahead, Felicia.
Do you own a vibrator?
I don't.
You should.
I should.
I feel like because I'm not in tune with my sexuality.
Are you ace?
What is that?
Asexual?
No, I don't think so.
Are you sexually attracted to people?
Yeah.
Like, you want to climax with someone else?
Do you have a want of money?
Like, I've been close.
I've been close with some people, but like, okay, I think if you learned to do it yourself, that would be a very good start.
I feel like I just like, I haven't had much experience if that makes sense.
I don't know what they like.
Yeah, I actually, it took me years to actually climax with a partner.
Yeah, with a partner.
But for with myself.
Wait, question.
The guy who it took you years with, did he just multiple.
I had sex with a lot of men that never made me angry or something.
No, okay.
Or genes.
The first time I ever made myself, I made myself come.
Right.
But then years later.
Yeah, years later.
It took about five years.
But like, did he just get it or did you have to show him?
Yeah, I had to show him.
It just wasn't getting to all the right places, I guess.
It took a lot of guys also.
You know, and it's never had this.
There's a lot of women.
I think if you'll agree with this, the women here will agree that a lot of people can't climax unless it's clitorial.
So yeah, but you just rub the clip.
Yeah, but some people don't do it right.
Yeah, but not every guy.
Some people don't do it right.
No, no, but some people do it like cheating though, isn't it?
It's so bad.
They do it.
Yeah.
Yeah, they kind of like.
Sometimes they, yeah.
No, it's not.
Sometimes they develop a little bit of your thigh.
It's a lot easier for a guy.
Maybe you can give everybody else dial after I'm talking than you do and we'll give your input on that also.
Yeah.
You need to be comfortable with the person too.
Like that's a really big thing.
I think it's like mental I've repeat to people.
It's like you're not gonna come unless you're comfortable with the person.
It's a mind thing.
And that is like you can look it up.
It's science.
Women are less likely to orgasm if they're not.
Bro, that's a lot of pent up, like never.
That's 28 years.
If you don't have a lot of pent up, I can see what's going on.
I get it.
That's a lot of pent up.
That's crazy.
You gotta when you finally choose them, you're gonna spontaneously.
Yeah, for real.
Or you're just gonna like turn into a ball of flames because it would just be building up for so many years.
And then they're gonna be like, wow, I never want to stop.
Although, I hope it doesn't.
I scared of that period.
I'm sorry.
I hope it doesn't go.
I hope you're more attractive at 30.
So you can just talk about that.
All right.
Well, that's cool.
I don't know what we were talking about before then.
We were height or something.
I don't know.
Oh, yeah.
I don't remember.
Here, do we have the age-gender stuff?
Oh, what is that?
Can somebody in the Discord?
Are we going to make it known that we're going to be able to do that?
We need it for today.
We need the age and the gender sport.
Guys, TTS is 200.
Read is 100 if you want to get them in.
Okay, we're going to get through the rest of the questionnaire then.
Do you, any dating frustrations?
Oh, here we go.
Selena, you said it's difficult in terms of dating frustrations to find someone accepting of your career and social media presence.
Yeah, well, also, like, in terms of like the nightlife, a lot of guys, it's kind of in a sense like, oh, do you want your girlfriend to go alone to the club?
Well, it's like, oh, if you work at a nightclub, then what?
So I feel like there's definitely been like some, I guess, like, like, like, in a way, we don't really agree in certain things, but like, I don't, I know, like, most bottle girls or whatever, we're just there to make money.
Like, we don't want nobody's man, you know, we're just there to literally work.
Literally, yeah, right.
And it's like, oh, like, some girls will always be like in the section, like, staring at you.
It's like, I don't want any of this.
It's your job, really, isn't it?
To be kind, which can also be misinterpreted as flirting.
So it's kind of a service industry job.
Like, exactly.
Yeah.
Even like a regular service industry.
When I was a hostess, but it's just because you're behind a bar and it's alcohol, and there's guys like, yeah, I think easy to generalize.
Do you guys think I want to bring it back just briefly to the whole minimum income thing?
Billionaire, millionaire, millionaire.
So both of you are involved in sex work.
You do OnlyFans.
You guys do BG content, right?
Like you've done BG content.
You still do BG content?
BG content, boy girl.
Yeah.
I mean, look, guys who are millionaires or billionaires, do you think being involved in sex work and having OnlyFans and like having photos and videos of you fucking other men on the internet?
Do you think that this tends to like increase your demand when it comes to these types of men, but men in general?
I don't believe so.
You think it has no impact?
Like, oh, it has an impact on the men who have a problem with it, but there is also a lot of men who are not going to be able to do it.
By proxy, it would have an impact on you because if like a cohort of men don't want to date you because there's photos and videos of you, fucking men on the internet, like most men are not going to be comfortable with their wife having that sort of content on the internet.
And your kids are also not going to appreciate nude photos of you, especially like pornographic BG content of you on the internet.
What was the actual question?
Yeah, so is it going to present dating difficulties?
It could, but it doesn't, for me personally, I'm not looking to date anybody that has an issue with sex work.
Clearly, because I'm not sure.
Right, but it's like, okay, billionaire.
Which is going to reduce your pool from all basically.
I think most billionaires don't want to deal with a girl who's in sex, has a past of sex work or is currently involved in sex work.
If that's what you think, sure.
Do you disagree?
Yeah.
You think there's just like how many billionaires are in the United States?
Like 400 or something?
300, 400 billionaires in the United States?
I don't know the exact number.
Like of them, how many are married?
How many of them already have like a relationship?
How many of them are you going to even be attracted to?
And then it's like, okay, they can date a woman.
I disagree.
How so?
Because I feel like the billionaires that I know, they kind of go for like sugar babies or like people who absolutely are involved.
The billionaires that you know, which billionaire do you know?
I'm not going to say their names, but I'm sorry, you don't know a billionaire.
Can I just say who?
I can't say.
Well, you can't say that.
I can tell you later, but I'm not going to say that.
What's his industry?
What's his industry?
He owns a lot of real estate.
And he's a billionaire.
And how do you know him?
You've had a, just to be clear, you've had a sit-down, one-on-one conversation with a billionaire, and he revealed, BTW, I'd rather date a porn star who has videos and photos of her getting cream-pied and fucking other dudes than like a normal girl who's attractive.
He's told you that.
Well, I feel like a lot of people do like porn stars too.
Like a lot of like really like top men like Richard.
They might want to fuck them, but no, they date them.
Yes, they do.
I have worked on the super yachts for many years with billionaires as my, you know, as my bosses, basically.
And I have seen countless amounts of women come on board that are their girlfriends that are OnlyFans girls that have worked in the porn industry.
So they do absolutely go for those kind of women that does exist.
Yeah, they'll help them.
I mean, don't get me wrong.
Like, there's a lot of billionaires that are billionaires walking in and putting a ring on the porn.
Well, a lot of them, they were their wives, yeah.
Absolutely.
Billionaires.
Yeah.
Well, there weren't.
No, bullshit.
Well, they own like 100-meter supiots.
Yeah, they were billionaires.
Billionaires have such high notoriety that you can actually look up the list of the billionaires who are in the United States.
You can get their names.
You can get their wife, everything.
She's not from the United States.
Hang on, hang on.
There's not that many eligible billionaire bachelors for one, right?
Yeah.
There's just not very many of them.
But of those that I'm seeing who are married, I'm actually not seeing any who are married to prostitutes.
So are you saying a prostitute would mean that you're on OnlyFans?
Oh, wait, if we can just.
Yeah, even by your standard, if you're doing BG content, that's okay.
Well, actually, prostitution.
So wait, what if you do BG with your man?
It's still prostitution.
Let's not get bogged down on the bogged on the semantics.
I just, I consider that to be prostitution.
But the point is, I think most reasonable men also would.
The thing is, there's not many that I can find.
Perhaps there's one or two.
I don't know.
You know what I mean?
Well, I tend to be aware of that.
I think that's very funny.
It's like you're speaking, and in the most respectful way possible.
Again, I have to clarify, right?
You're speaking on a topic to a bunch of women who actually are in this industry and are in these circles.
So it's like, you don't really.
Yeah, the name on the name on.
Prove me wrong right now.
Name a single billionaire that you know.
Go ahead.
That's not how that works.
Yeah, that's right.
So just the thing is, is like, as you say, you're speaking to people who have knowledge on this that you don't have.
And it's like, okay, well, to demonstrate that, you go, well, I'm not going to.
Why should I believe you?
I don't think you have the knowledge.
They're just full of shit.
I'm unreasonable, man.
I don't.
I don't.
But you could prove me wrong right now.
Name the billionaire that you know, but you won't.
That's been with someone that's on OnlyFans.
Is that your question?
Andrew, Andrew.
Name a billionaire.
This is a lot of people.
They've already said that, yeah, they'll be on the yacht.
But are they like, oh, I'm going to, this is going to be the mother of my children and I'm going to wife her?
No.
Yeah.
No.
No.
Yeah, I mean, I can't fully disagree with that because I feel like ever since I started OF, I definitely noticed like, like I said, it kind of depends per situation, but like a worse crowd of men that's kind of been like either in my DMs or, I mean, obviously, but I just definitely see that.
It's not like it really depends, but a lot of the men are not like high quality.
And I get why before you like, I get why, but I'm just saying.
So I did notice that.
Yeah.
It depends.
It is a thing.
I've talked with enough sex workers now, and it doesn't matter where they're from, right?
Like what part of the world, at least in the Western world, right?
And I usually talk to like third world sex workers because they're actually doing that out of desperation.
Prostitution used to be considered like a thing that women did out of desperate.
There was no other choice.
Now it's become kind of grandiose in society as a form of social status, bizarrely enough.
But any of them that I talk to in the West seem to be at least somewhat realistic about the fact that the kind of quality or value of men who would be moving towards interest in that is significantly lessened.
Not to say that there's no valuable men who wouldn't, you know, wife up a former prostitute or something like this.
I'm sure there are, right?
But just not many, right?
I would agree with that.
Yeah.
So that's, I mean, that's all.
But they seem to be realistic about it when I talk to them.
Yeah.
You know?
Okay.
Here, let's do the gender swap.
All right.
So we're going to have to wait for the age component.
If anybody in the Discord can post the age in the research tab, I would appreciate it.
But we're going to do gender swap right now.
So why don't you get that pulled up?
Maybe hide the teacher.
You're kind of hot.
Why is this happening?
Well, you know what?
Hold on.
Hold on.
So here's the question.
Would you date the male version of yourself?
I love that.
If he was cool, I mean, like, that's not a bad-looking dude.
I would say that.
I mean, I would date.
I would.
I was like, we're not a bad-looking dude.
No.
I would date for some.
Without the facial hair, especially.
Is that what your brother?
Do you have a brother?
I have a brother.
He doesn't look like me entirely, but does he have dark hair and a beard?
I mean, yes.
He does still have the soul-snatching eyes, though.
I know.
You know what?
Well, okay.
Can I ask also in a respectful way, what was that trying to prove?
What was it like?
Oh, shit.
He's cute.
So, would oh, you can go next.
Would you date the male version of you?
No, I don't like that.
I think he's kind of cute.
Honestly, he's not a bad-looking dude.
He looks really kind.
I mean, we should have kept the eyes blue, but I mean, otherwise, yeah, that's...
Would you date the...
He kind of looks like David Archuletta.
Would you date the male version of you?
You know what I mean?
I don't know.
I don't really like that.
Like what?
The mere opposite of you, but a dude?
I don't know.
He's cute.
I think he's cute.
Felicity says, say it again.
He's cute.
Oh, there you go.
Okay.
So that's a no.
No, I don't think so.
All right.
Next.
Oh, he's blonde.
He's blonde.
Oh, my God.
Would you date the male version?
No.
Oh, my God.
No.
Why not?
Look at his hair.
Okay.
Okay, let's go on me as a hair was dark.
Because you'd be like bright on his right.
What if his hair is dark?
Maybe.
The blonde is just like hilarious.
But like, he can change that.
Let's say, imagine his hair is dark.
Would you do it?
Do it.
I don't know.
If he's yourself if you look like that.
Huh?
If he's a millionaire.
If he's a millionaire.
Okay.
All right.
He could make you come.
Just a dumbbell.
I can't even make myself come, so why not?
Next.
I knew that was going to be bad.
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
He looks like he'd hit on me at a bar, and I'd have to grab the security guard to tell him that I'm probably in danger.
So you wouldn't date the male version of you.
So you're male.
So your male version of you is a creep.
Yeah, he looks like he would be.
Interesting how that works.
None of the guy.
Not that bad.
To be fair, I said initially I was like, I don't think I'm going to be attracted to the male version of me.
I don't find people who look like me attractive.
Oh, you only need date black eyes or what?
No.
White Asian, Hispanic, Latino?
I just don't like them to have softer features, I guess.
And I guess my jawline's pretty sharp.
I mean, he's got a good...
I think he's kind of cute.
I don't know.
I think he's...
Don't think he's got him.
I don't know if the first picture even looks like you.
Yeah, to be honest, I feel like it's also a bad picture.
But like.
Okay.
Like, why is my head so flat?
Where are you getting these pictures from?
Can we redo that with like a better picture?
I guess.
It's AI.
Okay.
It's AI.
I'm ready.
Next.
Oh, my God.
Oh, I'm stopping.
Are you blocking it today?
I was a bit worried about this, but that's quite shockable.
Bring him back.
Bring him back.
Wait, is that?
Yeah.
Wow.
I mean, the first one of me is a blowjob face.
But hey, it works.
It really works.
I actually would absolutely have sex with myself as a man.
Wow.
Okay.
100%.
That's good.
He's a good person.
His hair is kind of fucked up, though.
I mean, that's not girl.
That's like your opinion.
That's fine.
All right, fair enough.
Okay.
Let's do next.
Oh, he's purple.
Hide a sim who looks just like that.
A Sim?
Like the purple, the purple Sims.
Do you like the game, Sim?
Like the game?
Yeah.
You can change their skin tones.
No.
What's wrong?
What's wrong with him?
That's you, girl.
That's you.
Hide him.
It is kind of like asking, would you shag your brother?
No, because they look the same, but it's just a bit weird.
I'd rather hide him.
I know what you're doing.
Yeah, I'd rather shock myself the way I look now.
I think it's a handsome, like a handsome dude.
No, he's a very good-looking guy.
No, he's a cute sick.
He's like, he's purple.
The haircuts on the skin color throws it off a bit.
But I don't know if that's like an ugly.
It was the lighting, you know.
Fell in love with the emo.
So, no, you wouldn't, though.
Hell no.
All right, next.
Oh.
I like.
His high angle.
Yeah, no.
No.
I mean, he's not hideous.
He is not hideous.
Yeah, he has good hair.
No.
No.
You don't?
No.
He looks quite intelligent.
He looks like a son.
If it looks like your brother, I get it.
But that's an attractive name.
He looks rich.
Looks minted.
Next.
It still looks like my dad.
Oh.
Yeah, maybe don't say you are.
I mean, his hair is all fucked up, but I think if he got a different hairstyle, he'd be very striking.
That's a handsome man.
Felicity, you would be very striking as a man.
Thank you.
But no, it's a no-go.
It looks exactly like my dad.
I told you this the last two times.
I could not do that.
All right, next.
Bro.
You made me look like overly attached girlfriend.
If any of you know that meme.
Oh, yeah.
Overly attached girlfriend.
Yeah, that girl from the.
Okay.
Would you have sex with your female version?
The one on the left is okay.
Sure.
I'm scared by the right.
She's pretty.
I'm definitely scared on the right, though.
I'm pretty sure.
That one on the right looks like she's going to abort your children, right?
I'm not going to lie.
It's scary.
I wouldn't kick any of them out of bed personally.
Next.
She's pretty.
That's for Andrew.
Oh, wow.
Stunning.
That's you, Andrew.
Andrew, you've got beautiful.
They're gorgeous.
Yeah.
You are secret mother.
Oh, yeah, no, she's stunning.
Stunning.
Yeah.
You're Andrew.
Stunning.
All right, is there any.
Stunning as a man, stunning as a woman.
No shock.
Any more?
Did the age come through or no?
No, I don't want the age.
Okay.
All right.
Oops.
All right.
Let's see here.
We have.
Oh, no.
We're all good on the reads.
Guys, $200 TTS.
If you're enjoying the stream, like the video.
Read 100 TTS 200 if you want to get a message in.
So let's get back to the questionnaire.
We have.
Okay, get those pulled up.
Mitch.
Meech?
Mitch?
Miche.
You call me Mitch?
Mitch?
Or Mitchie?
Mitchell.
Mitchelton.
I'm down for Mitchell.
What's your actual name?
Mitch?
I go by Mitchie.
Mitchie.
But you call me Mitchell.
I'm calling you Mitchelton.
Okay.
Mitchelton.
Yes.
Mitchell.
Cornelius III.
You said a dating frustration of yours.
All good men are taken.
Darn.
That sucks.
It's tough out there.
The six-foot-two millionaires are just.
They're all taken.
Yes, they are taken.
So maybe you can lower your standards a little bit.
I mean, those are not deal breakers.
Maybe 5'9.
Have you thought about 5'9?
You could do 5'9.
I could.
You could do 5'9.
You should be a cute, like, you know, maybe 90,000 a year.
That's still good, you know.
Maybe.
No, I think it's good.
Yeah, 90K.
But I'm just smelling.
5'7.
Maybe 5'7.
I think you should.
You know.
What if he's 5'7, but he can make you just like, you know?
If he can make me nut and he's 5'7?
Yes.
Yes.
If he's 5'5, like, I'm down.
If he's a dwarf and he can just.
I know now I feel like no one, not many people are shorter than me, so I want someone taller than me.
There's men who are shorter than you out there.
I know one.
I'll set you up.
Do you like Mexican dwarves?
I know one.
Well, how old is he?
He's like 31, 32.
You're 28, right?
Is that two?
Is he a millionaire?
No, but he's got a heart of gold.
Or I might have confused that with the pot.
You think that wrong?
You think he has what it takes?
Totally.
Everyone missed it.
Do you think he has what it takes?
Huh?
You think he has what it takes?
To what?
Like, you think he has like the good, good D?
Yeah, he's already like, he's at that level.
It's good.
I'll get you guys linked up.
Talk to me.
Okay.
All right.
All the good men are taken.
Andrew, do you think all the good men are taken?
Or are women, are their standards, are their standards too high, Andrew?
I mean, we're trying to make sure that all the good men get taken.
So, like, that's ultimately the goal.
I think that there's plenty of what you guys would perceive as being good men, but you're not attracted to them, so it doesn't matter.
There's a small pool, smaller pool of men that women are attracted to.
If you can't get past that attractive barrier, you can't get past the attraction barrier, then that's what's going to, it's going to be a lot of lonely women.
It's 55% of women slated to be single in 10 years.
55%.
You can't get past that, you know?
Like, it's just, it's going to be a world full of cat ladies, and that's what's going to happen.
The whole Western world is going to be a world full of cat ladies.
That's what we're slated for.
So it's because of, and here's what ruined it.
What ruined it all is localization.
So it used to be that women only had the options which were in the localized area they were in, right?
It's not like travel, but before the automobile was something which was simple.
So you grew up in kind of these rural communities or even inside of cities.
There was only X amount of men who were available.
And because of monogamy, basically every man was going to end up with a woman.
But now localization is gone.
And so women can create a much wider net for selection.
And as it turns out, they all tend to only want to select on the same guys, interestingly enough.
And when they don't get those guys, they tend not to settle until they're in their 30s or 40s when men want them the least.
So that's why women are slated to be single.
55%.
55% of the last staff that I saw is wild.
Damn, that's crazy.
Oh, you know what else is crazy?
Did you want champagne donated $1,000?
Pop champagne.
I'm 33 year old and a millionaire.
The only girl I bang at the table is a little bit more than a hundred.
Sorry, sorry.
I'll DM you on if we can link but would I marry her now as you want that love Brian what happened to 69 guy 69 guy 69 guy.
I don't know what that means, but thank you for this, Tim.
You're welcome.
Big champagne pop.
Big champagne pop.
Thank you.
Interesting.
I did want to correct this.
I was wrong.
It's actually worse.
By 2030, which is just a few short years, it'll be 45%.
And then in another 10 years, it's slated to be as high as 60%.
60%.
That's fucking crazy.
60%.
Well, P, P, champagne guy, he wants.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
He would marry you?
Oh, no, he doesn't want to.
He wouldn't.
He just wants that.
He wants the fuck.
I don't do that.
But thank you so much for the tip.
Thank you for sending that over to Brian.
He deserves it.
He's a great host.
Thank you.
And then we have this one from Ogle.
Uh-oh.
Local LunduscoreGlue.net donated $200.
Each panelist, say which other panelists is the most beautiful and which is the least beautiful.
Yeah, we'll go around the table on that.
So go ahead.
Personally, for me, I don't think beautiful.
I think when I say someone is beautiful, I more so mean like them as a person.
So yeah, I don't feel like I want to like say that about other people because I don't really know you guys either.
So I'm going to say myself and myself.
Do you think you're the most beautiful girl at the table?
Sure.
Why wouldn't I?
You know, I hope everyone thinks that they're the most beautiful girl at the table.
Are you mad?
Or are you trying to open that?
Because I genuinely feel that way.
Like, if you don't love yourself and you don't think.
Wait, why don't you open it like that?
You got bottle girls here.
Do you need to?
You don't have to pop in.
Okay.
No, I genuinely feel that way.
I think I'm beautiful.
Objectively, subjectively.
Inside, outside.
I know who I am.
I don't know these people.
I just met.
I'm sure you all are beautiful inside and you seem really nice.
This is nice.
That's a very difficult question to do.
But I'm not going to answer that in the way that you're looking for because I think that's kind of odd.
I don't think I really even could because I don't know them.
I completely agree.
Yeah.
I'm not comfortable answering that.
Not because I think that anyone here is subjectively unattractive, but because that's just that's what she said.
There we go.
I don't know that.
There we go.
Yes.
She is.
Oh fair.
Champagne guy.
P D want champagne.
That's honestly a crazy name.
That's insane.
But like, thank you so much for the tip.
Thank you for that, man.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Champagne Pop.
By the way, Blake, just while he's back.
Never mind.
I was going to say, if he ever is gone, you can just like minimize it just temporarily.
So wait, I think we have some people who, so wait.
Do you want champagne?
Yeah, why not?
You want champagne?
No?
Do you want champagne?
Okay.
Thank you.
I'll have to wait until she's back, I guess.
All right.
Do any of the panelists want to say who the most beautiful woman at the table is?
I want to say Andrew because the picture that was up, I think he was gorgeous.
That was good.
Honestly, Slay.
That was a good one.
Slay?
Yeah, no, I'm like being actually serious.
Like your picture as a female.
Yeah, you're gorgeous.
Yeah.
I mean, great.
You're the ugliest one.
We're just going to say you.
Wait, do you actually think that?
But hey, just saying, you know.
Wait, actually?
Or are you joking?
I'm actually being serious.
Yeah, I'm obviously.
Thank you.
So, I mean, while Brian's pouring that out, perhaps we could run a social experiment.
You guys down, run a social experiment.
Yeah, let's do it.
All right.
So here's what has to happen.
So all the women have to look at the camera, right?
And you have to close your eyes.
That way we can see.
So you need to see that everybody's eyes are closed.
Go ahead and close your eyes.
Okay.
You too.
You too, chair one.
Everyone's eyes are closed.
I'm going to get in the frame.
I had to get a closer look at the front.
You too.
Don't.
Close your eyes again.
Wait, one sec before you ask it.
One sec.
She's just rejoining the table.
I'm sitting here.
You can have your eyes open.
You're going to open your eyes, Facebook.
Yeah, while you're sitting down.
Yeah, scoot in, scoot in, scoot in.
Close your eyes, close your eyes.
Go ahead.
All right, close your eyes.
Nothing bad's going to happen to you, I promise.
Just close your eyes.
Okay, there we go.
Raise your hand if you're the most beautiful woman at the table.
Okay?
Hands down for those of you that said that, right?
Okay, open your eyes.
Open your eyes.
Now, I'm just going to ask a random gal here, random one, okay?
So in this case, we'll go to the center chair.
Our red-headed friend here.
Do you want to ask me?
Which women or woman do you think raised their hands?
You did.
The ones with the spiders.
But that's fine.
There's nothing wrong with that.
I think my answer is.
Who else?
If I was to guess.
Did you?
No, no, no.
Just think you're ready.
No answers.
Just tell me who you're already.
Just tell me who you think did.
Tell me who you think did.
That's it.
I'm only certain.
What is your name again, Donald?
Alex.
With Alex.
And that's just because she's in.
If you think any other woman raised her hand, just take a guess.
Just put it on the floor.
There's no wrong answers.
It's just a social experiment.
Okay.
Well, I've already made a guess with, but that was wrong.
You?
Me?
Okay.
There we go.
Now, let's go over to.
Hang on.
Let's go over to the gal sitting next to Brian.
Okay.
Which women raised their hands?
I think Alex did.
And chair three, what's your name again?
My name is Mitch.
Mitch.
Okay.
And then chair two, which women do you think raise their hands?
I agree, I think Alex and then Mitch.
Okay, and then Mitch, who do you think?
I feel like nobody did.
Interesting, right?
So the thing is, is like, this is the actual way that we can assess what you guys actually think about each other's looks.
There's the only time that we can ever assess when you're being honest is when you play a game as to who you think raised their hands, because maybe perhaps you actually think that person is really attractive and should raise their hands, right?
But if we ask for a self-assessment, we get a completely and wildly different answer.
So it's so I'd like to just kind of run this again.
There's no wrong or right answers, but it just appears that women are more honest about what their look assessment is when they think that they're just kind of playing a game.
And you ask them which ones do you think raise their hands.
So just pointing it out.
We're going to do a cheers.
What's that?
What was the answer?
Well, I mean, you're going to have to watch this back.
Yep.
Thank you to P. Diddy.
What the fuck?
Want champagne.
Thank you for the champagne pops.
Salute.
Cheers.
Wait, did you want any?
Okay.
Oh.
Excuse me.
We have Deja Brian, the guy who gave a thousand.
Is why the dating world sucks.
And chair one has a punchable face.
Wow.
Do you want to respond to that?
Do I want to?
Yeah.
I mean, genuinely, if you feel that way, then that's okay.
I don't, that doesn't hurt my feelings.
You donated $100 to say that.
So, like, I think you're more bothered than me, personally.
Well, I know this guy and he's like a crypt, he got crypto pump.
Like some doge.
Fucking this guy, he's like multi, multi-million.
Like 100 mil.
Okay.
100 to him is like a quarter to one of us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So he's like, he can go all night with you is what I'm trying to say.
Go all night.
Run it up.
You're trying to insult the guy like, oh, my God, you would spend $100?
Like, to him, it's enough.
I wasn't, um...
No, so more so you go out of your way to tip, to say that.
So that's okay.
I mean, like, if that was Chump change to you, then spend $1,000 right now and tell me how ugly I am for Brian.
He'll probably be on your list.
Run it up for Brian.
Run it up for Brian.
You're welcome.
You should be thanking me.
It's beautiful.
Okay, so.
I genuinely care.
I do.
Cool.
Okay.
Cool story, bro.
All right.
Next question from this.
Would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear in the forest?
You said bear.
What about you?
I said a man because I feel like, you know, like, I mean, of course, even physical-wise, a man is like obviously like stronger normally than a woman.
But like with a bear, like, I feel like I have no chance.
Okay.
What about you?
I feel like a bear because if you are in the forest and you see a man there, I feel like that's creepier.
Because you don't know like who they are.
They could like be a killer.
But a bear, I mean, that's like normal.
Like they are in the forest.
They're a killer too, I guess.
But what's your answer?
Probably a man.
I think I agree with you.
What was your name again?
Selena.
Selena, I agree with Selena.
Like, I at least have a chance with a man.
And are we talking about a malicious man?
Like, he's out to get someone.
Well, it's random.
It's totally random, so it could be like...
Okay.
I mean, I hike a lot.
I run into random men in the forest all the time.
Okay.
What about you?
Definitely a man.
I was chased by a bear once.
He wasn't pretty.
Oh, my God.
Oh, I feel like the, um, I feel like it depends, but um.
Probably a man.
Okay.
Uh, what about you?
I'd say a bear.
A bear.
So bear, bear, bear, the three of you.
Why do you pick bear and why don't you pick man?
Personally, like, this isn't even a troll answer.
I'm being so serious.
Like, I just like animals.
So I think seeing a bear in nature, I never have before, personally.
And I think it's very common to run into a man if you're on a hike.
I mean, I hike a lot.
I live in Arizona.
Yeah, I've always wanted to see a bear in person in the forest.
And I feel like if you saw a man in the forest, like, you're alone.
I feel like that's, I don't know.
I feel like I'd be more scared, if that makes sense.
Bears scary as shit.
Are they scary?
Yeah, they can be very territorial.
Like a black bear?
They will eat you.
Yeah.
Really?
I feel like you're not.
And they run pretty fast as well.
They just open your car door.
Yeah.
It's instincts, though, if you start to run that bear.
They're pretty quick.
They're going to fuck you up most of the time.
Yes, they're full.
And they're heavy.
Here's 99% of encounters on hiking trails with men, random men that you find.
Hello.
Yeah.
99%.
Well, actually, probably 99.9%.
Hello.
No, but if I'm alone, am I alone?
Women don't hike alone usually.
Come on.
I'm hiking on plenty of pikes alone.
And why do you pick men?
Or sorry, why'd you pick bear?
Into the mic?
Closer to the mic?
You never know what a man's intentions are.
Sure.
So is there a component there for your answer and for your guys' answer?
Like, okay, well, yeah, the bear could kill me.
The man could kill me, but the man could essay me, then kill me.
Is that like the concern kind of?
No, not with my answer.
Not for your answer, is that?
I wasn't thinking that, but I feel like I have like, I could bring bear spray with me.
Okay, and then for you, why, I guess, why?
Why?
Like, the concern is, like, oh, the guy could do what?
Um, because like if you're out in like the middle of nowhere, like hiking by yourself, or like yeah, by yourself, and then like randomly a guy just appears.
Oh, okay.
So you're like scared of like what the guy could do?
Yeah, because I'm pretty tiny.
Sure.
I mean, I don't know if you were tall or if that would really change anything, but so like.
Well, don't worry, everybody's tiny relative to a bear.
I feel like it would be more likely to be attacked by a bear than it would a random man.
Yeah.
And also, women can be just as dangerous as men, if not more sometimes.
We can get into that.
But I think, yeah, that's my opinion.
I feel like bears are more likely to go feed.
So, Des, going to you, though, so the concern is like the guy could SA you, basically.
Yeah.
Okay.
And murder you, do other, torture you, whatever.
Okay.
You acknowledge, though, the bear could kill you.
Yeah, but there's like bear protection and like you can bring a knife.
You could also bring a knife against a man, and I think the knife would be more effective against a man than a bear.
Like bears have like pelts and their skin's thicker.
They have the fur.
Well, actually, and also, you know, bullets do bounce off of bear skulls.
There's that too.
They do.
They do on human skulls too, but not as much as bear skulls.
Yo, Josh, thank you for the gifted 20 memberships.
Really appreciate it.
Josh, thank you, man, so much.
You're a legend.
Okay, so wait.
I guess I'm a little confused here.
So give me percentages, Des.
So what percentage of men do you think would like victimize you in some sort of way?
I guess specifically like SA?
I don't know.
You don't know?
Excuse me.
Like the percentage.
Wait, can you just get a little closer with Mike because you're a little soft-spoken?
So you're making a risk assessment.
Okay, bear, yes, could kill me, giant, wild animal, but men more dangerous because XYZ reasons, like murder, torture, SA.
They could assault you in that sort of way.
So the question is, essentially, if we were to spawn in like a random man, random bear, what percentage of, say, the United States population of adult men do you think would victimize you in this scenario?
Like, maybe like a 50% chance?
50% chance.
Okay.
So 50% of men in the United States are essayers.
Yeah.
Okay.
Do you have a brother?
Yes.
How many brothers do you have?
I have two.
Two.
So one of your brothers is a grapist.
One of your brothers is a grapist.
No.
I need you to be logically consistent here.
You said 50%.
This is just how statistics work.
One of your brothers is a grapist or would be a grapist.
Maybe, I don't know.
And then you have a dad?
No.
Well, yes.
Are your parents separated or?
Yeah, they're divorced.
Okay.
And then grandparents, cousins, et cetera, et cetera.
Just to be clear, are you prepared to say that like 50% of your male relatives, whether parent, grandparent, whatever, cousins, they are potential grapists?
Possibly.
You're going to say that about your own family.
Yeah, because.
So you'd go to like the family cookout and be like, man, half these men are like essayers.
They're grapists.
They're predators.
I'm not really like.
I don't really talk to like half my family.
Okay.
Well, your two brothers then.
One of them, you're going to have to throw under the bus here.
Which one do you think is more likely to be a great list?
Well, according to your own statistics, one of them would be.
Okay.
But you do think, like, secretly, like, one of your brothers, like, has these malicious thoughts or desires or intentions to SA women.
Is that your position?
No, I don't know what they think.
So how would you think?
Well how would you then how do you know that 50% of men in the United States would want to do this?
I don't know.
I would just Can you speak up closer to the mic, please?
I don't know.
But how did you come to the 50% of men are grapists or potential grapists?
How do you come there?
Because I've like ran into a lot of men that have so 50% of the men that you've just ran into, you've like you've done an analysis and you're like, okay, 50% of men are potential grapists.
Well, the men that I've met, yeah.
So like all the men that like you went to high school with, like your friend group, your social circle, your teachers, your family, we already talked about that.
And then just like the random men that you see walking down the street, like 50% of them, like in your mind, you're like, 50% chance this guy's a grapist?
Yeah, maybe.
What do you mean?
Yeah, maybe.
Wouldn't that be an entailment of your position?
Have 50% of the men like attempted to grape you?
Yes.
Well, not 50%, but actually, yeah, 50%.
That's horrible.
Yeah, it's really horrible.
Hold on, no, I've been before.
Okay, sure, that's fine.
But 50% of the men that you've encountered have attempted to grape you?
I'd say like a little less than 50%.
Okay, what percentage of the men that you've encountered have attempted this crime?
Like 25%.
One in four men that you've encountered have attempted to essay you.
does this track for any of the women here like so i think one in four men that you just walk past they like tried really Does that track for any of the other girls here?
No, I think where she's coming from, maybe, and I could be, maybe I'm just trying to interpret what you were saying of, like, if you were in the forest, right?
And since you have already been a victim of essay, right?
And that's like a trauma for you, maybe if you were alone by yourself as a woman, right?
That's a like, oh, there's a 50-50 shot, right?
Right then and there in your mind with a stranger of like something could happen.
This could either be really good or really bad.
I think that's what she meant by that.
Because I get that as a woman in general, it comes from a place of trauma.
I understand that.
She didn't necessarily know that 50%.
Does that track that one in four men that you guys have encountered have attempted to like essay, actually attempted to essay?
For me, no, specifically.
But I'm just saying, I'm trying to like kind of help her explain maybe what, was that kind of what you were saying?
Like there's a 50-50 shot if you're in the forest, maybe and you're like, okay, it's me and one guy.
It's a 50-50 shot if something bad happens or if nothing happens.
So you think her position is justified because she has like past trauma from like previous bad experiences?
In her mind, sure.
Yeah.
If she has previous trauma.
Yeah, but like what if like these sort this sort of like rhetoric and narratives are like perpetuated to other women and then like by proxy about other men?
So basically you have like huge demographics of women who think men are like terrible predators, abusers, all this sort of thing.
Do you think that this is like overall a good thing for society for women to view men as like basically criminals and predators?
Well again I think that's a loaded question.
How's it loaded question?
Because I don't see how what she was saying for her own personal standpoint if she was in a forest alone of her own like what's a 50 it's a 50 50 shot if something bad were to happen necessarily correlates to like society.
Yeah, well, I mean, we can look at some.
It's a really neat way to reframe this, but that's not actually what happened.
So I was keeping track of the convo.
Brian specifically asked, so one in four men that you've encountered have tried to do this, and she said yes.
25%, yes.
Nothing about a forest or being trapped in a forest or nothing like that.
Well, it's where it stemmed from when she said 50%.
Hold on, just let me finish.
Go ahead, Angel.
Yeah, but then it was clarified, right?
It was clarified.
Like, so you actually believe that one in four men would do this.
And that's fine if you do.
There's a lot of...
Well, I already said that I didn't personally.
Because, right, that's not my experiences.
I understand.
I'm not putting her position on you.
That wouldn't be fair to do.
Yeah.
But what I am saying is that that was actually her position.
So the thing is, is like, here's the other thing.
Let me ask this.
For those of you who pick bear, raise your hand real quick.
Okay.
So we'll start with you on the right.
Chair one.
If you were running away from a bear that you spawned into in a forest and you came across a random man, would you yell at him for help?
Would you ask him for help?
So my answer wasn't specifically around the argument that you're looking for.
So I don't really think that my answer per se is relevant.
Because you want to see a bear.
Yeah, I like animals.
So I wasn't looking at it in.
You go to a zoo.
You just go to a zoo.
Well, that's not what the question asks.
So it asks, if you were in the forest, what would you rather see?
A man or a bear?
I'm saying, if I'm by myself already, I'd rather see a bear because I like nature.
Which would you rather be trapped in a forest with, a man or a bear?
Not which would you rather see?
Was that the question?
Was that the question?
Yeah, that's the question.
Well, you spawn into a forest, essentially.
That wasn't the question.
On the actual paper, was that the question?
Fair enough, fair enough.
Would you rather?
He spawned into a forest with a man around here.
Okay, no, no, no.
Let's hear it out.
What was the actual wording?
So I can be very quick.
It says, would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear in the forest?
Cross paths.
Nothing about running.
Would you prefer?
Well, I don't know.
I didn't read the question.
I don't know.
Exactly.
But still, but still, I actually conceded the point and said, maybe I'm wrong of the trap.
So I'm fine making a concession about something.
I know you're not, but I'm fine with it.
Well, I'm just stating facts because that wasn't the question.
When you cross paths with a bear or a man, if the bear decided to, I don't know, viciously go after you and he came across a man, would you ask him for help?
That's my question.
yes or no.
Okay, so the question is Don't need qualifiers, just be yes or no.
It'd be great.
No, but I need to understand the situation to give you an answer.
Okay.
Well, go ahead and repeat the question then if you didn't understand it.
Because if I'm already running from a bear, right?
And there's a man that's also crossing paths, I'm going to naturally assume.
And I'm saying, this is a genuine answer.
I literally don't need your story.
I just need a yes or no.
But I can't answer the question.
So you're not going to be able to do that.
Then you're done participating in this conversation.
Yeah, so hang on, chair two.
Yes or no?
If you're running from a bear in a forest and you saw a random man, would you ask the random man for help?
Yeah, for sure, because I could communicate with the man and I can't communicate with the bear.
But you did pick the bear, right?
No, I picked I'd rather be with a man.
Chair three?
I picked the bear, but I didn't know the question was going towards that direction.
But I would ask anyone for help.
You would ask anyone for help, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, doesn't that kind of give evidence against spawning or kind of crossing paths with the bear to begin with?
Because if you were to ask the man for help, right, this random man you cross paths with, couldn't he help you with a bear and then equally do the same amount of horrid shit that you wouldn't want him to do when you crossed.
Oh, yeah, that's true.
That's true.
So maybe I just keep running.
Doesn't that kind of give evidence against your position a little bit?
Well, I didn't really know that question.
I was talking about chair one, not talking to you, chair one.
So anyway, so yeah, chair three, real quick.
Well, I didn't really understand that question like that was on the paper.
I thought it was like, oh, would you rather see a man or a bear?
Oh, okay.
Because that wasn't.
Who else raised their hand if they picked a bear?
They'd rather be.
It was her right here.
Yeah, yeah.
So would you ask a random man for help if you a bear was chasing you?
No.
No.
So a bear, a bear's chasing you down, it's screaming, it's roaring.
You see a man, he's walking, he has a rifle, you wouldn't call for help.
Oh.
Because you're afraid that mid-chase, the guy has a 50% chance of like, oh, here's my chance to commit a sex crime.
Like, what?
Okay.
I'm curious on this, though.
Unless, Sandra, you were continuing your thing?
Okay.
What about like when it comes to bathrooms?
Does your answer change?
Like, would you rather a man or a bear wanders into the bathroom?
The woman's bathroom?
That's a very different scenario.
Yes, I just gave you a new scenario.
Do you want to answer the question or do you want to drag this on?
Sure.
Yeah, sure.
A man can come into the bathroom.
Okay.
What about you?
Probably a man.
Okay.
If you're in a bathroom, would you rather a man or a bear wanders in?
Well, would I have stalls in the bathroom?
Sure.
And it could be like a trans woman.
Okay, then I'll take the bear because I'll probably be in a stall using the bathroom.
I suppose I should have said male instead of man.
But yeah, it could be a trans woman.
Wait, so, okay, that's interesting.
So, like, in the forest where you can, like, there's escape routes, bear.
Well, no, I mean, I can, I can actually understand.
It makes a lot of sense to me that why a person would pick a bathroom stall to protect themselves from a 1,000-pound, ridiculously strong monster.
That makes a lot of sense to me.
Though I can, with one hand, rip a bathroom stall door off of its hinge like it's nothing, because the locks are very flimsy, made out of cheap-ass metal, and they just have a what's called a compartment slit.
So they're actually very weak.
I'm sure a bear would have a ton of trouble getting in there, though.
I guess one other question on this.
Do you guys think that if you pick bear instead of man, do you think that that's sexist?
Oh, come on.
My original answer had nothing to do with that.
That's what I'm trying to explain here.
Right, but like from the male perspective, it's like, okay, she'd rather be with like a, yeah, you get, you like bears or whatever, you like animals, but you'd pick like there's a survival, like the question talks, there's like a sort of an implication of a survival situation here.
I know what you're talking about.
Like, bears are dangerous, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do you think men are dangerous?
They could be.
They could be, yeah.
So you're picking a wild animal over a man.
But this is really sort of your trollish way to not actually engage with like the spirit of the question, which is like, oh, I just like.
You've heard the bear or man question, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, you know what the spirit of it is.
It's not like asking, oh, do you prefer, like, do you like that?
But do you ask me the bathroom situation?
I answered honestly with that too.
I picked the man over the bear in the bathroom.
Yeah, but so like you don't, when you're asked the question of man versus bear, you're not analyzing it from a safety standpoint at all.
Here, let me sure.
Sure.
So from a safety standpoint, would you rather be in the forest with a man or a bear?
A man.
Oh, interesting.
Okay, that's cool.
So, but do you think if a woman were to pick bear instead of man from a safety context, do you think that that would be like a sexist position against men?
That's not what I believe, so I don't know.
I can't answer on behalf of those women.
What do you mean?
You can't answer?
I think, you know, and I've seen that trend on TikTok, right?
Everyone's seen the trend.
So you're going to say, sorry.
I think a lot of women that maybe have that stance have traumas associated with sexual assault.
So I can't speak on behalf of them and how they feel and their view on it, right?
Yeah, sure.
So how is that me not participating?
Yeah, but so I understand that like women can and do have trauma as it relates to experiences with men.
Absolutely.
This is not something I deny, but I guess my question is, would it be sexist with or without trauma to pick, to basically, of what you know about the risk assessment when it comes to men, to pick a wild animal, a bear, over a random man, a random bear versus a random man?
Is that sexist?
I think it's sexist.
Do you think it would be sexist or is sexist?
It wasn't my answer, so I really don't have an opinion.
Do guys feel like that's what hurts their feelings if women don't feel safe around men?
Is that what we're getting at here?
No, not really.
Do you feel like that would be sexist?
Like for anybody that answers that.
I absolutely do think if you answer bear in like in the spirit of how the question is asked and it pertains to like a safety concern, yeah, I do think it's sexist.
Okay.
Because you're doing a risk assessment and you're basically, it's a temperature check.
Like, okay, you think like this proportion of men are basically grapists or like have violent intentions.
And so I'm going to pick a wild animal over men.
Yeah, it's absolutely sexist and I can explain it a different way.
Let's change it a little bit though.
So why don't we make it about race?
So let's say a white person has had trauma as it relates to dealing with a black person.
They have a history of trauma with somebody who's black.
And for this reason, and perhaps maybe they don't even have direct trauma, but they've known people who have been assaulted by black people.
And they see news stories and they belong to online groups.
And the algorithm on TikTok is feeding them stories about, oh, this black person, I'm a white person.
They attacked me.
They assaulted me violently, whatever it may be.
And because of their safety concerns, they're scared of black people.
They believe that, say, 50%, like she said, 50% of black people have a tendency towards violence or some sort of crime, like SA, for example.
And so they then pick, instead of a black person, they pick the bear instead of the black person.
Would you say that that would be a racist position?
If that's based on their own thoughts and experiences, who am I to tell them that that's like, you know what I mean?
Oh, I mean, sure.
I guess you can acknowledge that they have a preference, but you want to answer the actual question.
That is my answer.
Yeah, is it racist?
Is it racist?
Yes.
Would it be racist?
Would it be racist?
Experiences to come up with their own conclusion on something?
Yeah.
Now, let's say like large swaths of the white population had this similar fear because they were either fed like propaganda or there's like algorithms in their TikTok, like basically just painting black people as like these violent criminals, right?
And so then these white people are starting to like, okay, well, in what kind of dimensions can we like try to segregate ourselves from black people?
Can we like exclude them from like perhaps our workplace?
Would you agree that that would be racist?
To a certain extent, but like in what way are men getting that?
I'm concerned about that.
What do you mean?
Like how are men experiencing exactly what you said?
Exhibit A.
She just said 50, she thinks 50% of men are essayers.
I mean, that's what she said.
That's her own personal beliefs.
That doesn't reflect my beliefs.
What?
What's your?
Uh, if you had to assign a percentage of like the adult male U.s.
Population that's inclined towards like essay yeah, what do you think it is?
I have no idea.
What do you think?
I don't have feminists propagate?
I actually don't.
What is the feminist rhetoric on this?
I don't read feminists.
Did you go to college?
They didn't give you like like tutorials on this tutorial.
I graduated pre-med.
Why would they give me tutorials?
There's like how many people sex assault people?
I'm confused, i'm lost.
No, there's absolutely like typically like freshman orientation.
There's some sort of like consent class and they'll typically like present you with like these totally bogus, inflated statistics like one in four, one in three college women are going to be graped like totally bogus.
I must not have been there.
I know men who've also been graped in college.
Absolutely, I don't particularly feed into that.
I wasn't there for that seminar, i'm not quite sure um, and I graduated a long time ago.
Did you ever take like a feminist studies class?
No okay, so you're not familiar with like the really commonly cited statistic.
It's either like one in four, one in three, women are gonna like get graped in like college, or something like this, which is totally um, totally fabricated and not true.
But well, i'll take that from.
I've never heard that statistic.
Okay, cool.
So basically, what's happening is you've taught a generation of women to have like total fear of men and they think like one in four, one in three, 50 of men are literally sex criminals or have the potential to be sex criminals.
I think that's a pretty despicable thing to like paint an entire gender as okay yeah, do you think it's despicable if it's go ahead?
Yeah, if it's being portrayed that way, then sure okay, I just, I personally am not familiar with those studies or those statistics, so I just feel like I personally can't speak on behalf of it.
If I did, I would really you've never heard about like those statistics.
Um okay, that's fine.
What is like the actual statistic?
You said that the other one was, well, I mean you can.
Yeah, I mean there's the often like uh, i'm just like, i'm just curious, i'm coming out of, I mean, an unbiased question.
Yeah, so you could look at like FBI crime statistics, you could look at the Department OF Justice OF UH crime statistics related to this.
I don't have it off the top of my head, but it's like far, far lower than the often repeated.
Like one in four, one in three women have been like graped thing.
And I actually looked at like the surveys that they've done to arrive at that number and they'll include things like i'm trying to think, have you ever been catcalled?
And then they'll.
They'll include this in sort of like this overarching sexual violence term where they'll incorporate cat calling.
If you say yes, i've been catcalled, or like yes, a guy said like an inappropriate thing to me, that's going to count towards that statistics of sexual violence and then that gets conflated with the rates of grape, which is just totally that is very yeah.
Well, not only that, but there's also exclusion, which happens because of the classification of non-penetrate, non-penetrative versus penetrative sex.
So uh, men who are uh, graped by women because it's non-penetrative, depending on which data you're looking at, it's just not counted at all.
Yeah, but it absolutely happens.
Yeah, it absolutely happens, but it just depends On how you and how you parse the data.
Sources on that, too, which I think is interesting.
But I'm not going to belabor the point.
You guys don't have stats in front of you, so it would be kind of fundamentally unfair for me to have the expectation that you'd be able to cite these things off the top of your head.
The point of Brian's question was not to ask whether or not you knew what the stats were, but just based off of intuition, what you would think the percentage, or, you know, would you put it at high or very low or very high or very low for the chances of a random man just essaying a random woman, essentially?
Yeah, and I stand on my answer with like I think everyone has their own personal experiences that lead them to have their own perspective on that.
Personally, I haven't had scenarios very low or very high.
Yeah, I haven't had scenarios where that's been a problem for me.
So I personally don't see the world in that way.
Yeah, so you would put it at very low from your experience.
For me, personally, but I can't speak on behalf of anyone else here.
Yeah, he wasn't asking you to.
But I think we got to the heart of it, then you would just put it at very low.
Okay.
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We have a Massandrous TTS that's about to come through.
And then I have one more question on the bear thing.
I have a quiet question.
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I'm tired of everyone dancing around this.
I will just be straight up.
This question is to remind men that we hate you, and I choose bear.
I hate men, and I want my sisters to be with me.
Men are trash.
Fair enough.
It's kind of interesting, the women's responses.
They're like all smiling.
Yes.
Like, ah, she's saying the quiet part out loud.
Like, men are trash.
But this is, I think it's interesting, like, this sort of social acceptance of misandry and like man hatred.
It's pretty socially accepted.
Like, you're not really going to get in trouble with it.
Other women aren't going to correct you.
And then, like in university, if you're saying like man-hating shit, there's typically like never any sort of repercussions.
It's just kind of socially acceptable to like openly say like very negative things or sexist things or misandrous things against men.
Men are trash.
Men are, you know, men are bad.
All these sorts of things.
In fact, I posted something on my Twitter the other day on TikTok.
There's a lot of like anti-male hashtags that are allowed.
So like I think it's, I forgot exactly what it is.
I think it was like men are trash is allowed, but women are trash is not allowed.
I don't think either should be allowed, but it's interesting that men are trash.
You can make TikToks about that and use that hashtag.
There's like 55,000 videos on TikTok that use the hashtag men are trash, but TikTok, the administrator, the company, has banned the hashtag women are trash, which I think is kind of indicative of like the social acceptance of male hatred versus female hatred.
I do have one final question on the bear.
Then, Andrew, I know you wanted to come in.
If you could get rid of all men, and this is an entailment of this, this would mean that women would never experience essay from men again.
Would you do it?
Would I get rid of men?
Yeah.
No.
No, we need men to like.
No.
No.
Most of my friends are men.
No.
No.
Speak closer to the mic, guys, please.
But no.
That was mostly for you, Dess, just because, Andrew, you had something.
Sorry.
So I actually had a bunch of questions that eventually I think we'll add to the questionnaire, maybe.
But I wanted to ask a few of them this session.
So if you had to, so you only have the choice of one or the other.
You have, I don't know what the conditionals are for why you have to do this thing, but you do.
You have to go on a date with a random misogynist or a random male feminist.
All right, now we're going to go in reverse.
In reverse, because chair one's annoying.
So in reverse, starting with the gal next to Brian, would you rather go on a date with a random misogynist or a random male feminist?
A male feminist.
Okay, next chair.
A male feminist.
Okay.
Male feminist.
Can you remind me of a misogynist?
Andrew Tate.
Completely.
Is that a good example, Andrew?
What is that again?
Not Andrew Tate.
Well, it depends on perspective what you would collect.
I bloody how.
No, a feminist.
Absolutely.
Absolutely not the other one.
I think the two extremes is hard to generalize, but definitely male feminist.
Okay.
Like 100%.
Okay.
I would rather have someone in between, but I feel like this is a quick trick question, but I'm going to go with female.
You said male feminist?
Yeah.
Okay.
I also agree.
I'll go with the male feminist.
Okay.
I'm annoying, so I feel like you just don't even want to.
Just answer.
Just answer the question.
I do.
I just didn't want to get caught up for like 10 hours while we went back and forth on what the question meant.
Got it.
Okay.
I feel like male feminists, maybe.
I don't like extremes of things like that.
Okay.
So we're going to do just a very quick follow-up.
We'll do it in the same order in reverse.
A male feminist you're only moderately attracted to, or a misogynist that you're very attracted to.
Starting with, again, gal next to Brian.
Male feminist.
Okay.
A male feminist.
Okay.
I don't think I would be attracted to a.
You're just physically attracted to him.
You don't know.
Like, you haven't, you know, you haven't talked to him yet, right?
So you're just physically attracted.
I'm still a feminist.
Okay.
Feminist.
I completely agree.
Feminist.
Feminist.
I'm going to say misogynist because I love Andrew Tate.
Okay.
What about him?
Honestly, same.
Okay.
Same what?
Misogynist?
She picks the misogynist, yeah.
Did you have another one?
Or?
Yeah, it's not the right place for it to come yet.
Sure.
Sure.
All right.
Let's see here.
Okay, so we did the bear.
Okay, do you have any disagreements with the show that females, this is for you, Selena?
Females who work in the sex industry cannot be.
Okay, we kind of talked about that.
Any disagreements with the show?
You said probably, but are there any you want to articulate or no?
None at this time.
No, I actually, I mean, I haven't, I haven't watched this show before.
So I'll show you.
No, no, like pre-disagreements.
Okay, that's fine.
Okay, we're going to get into some of the disagreements here, though.
Alex, question number 19, or statement number 19.
A man dating a transgender woman is not straight, to which you disagree.
And then, Haley, you also disagree.
And then, I'm sorry, your name again?
Alana.
Alana, sorry, you wrote incursive, and it's been a minute.
You also disagree.
So the statement is also disagree.
A man, you would disagree.
A man dating a transgender woman is not straight, to which you, you, you, and you, you all disagree.
So to be clear, the other position would be the view would be it would be gay.
That would not be straight, right?
No, I think it's a good idea.
I kind of don't agree with my answer as well.
Oh, so you think...
Yeah, I mean, I kind of feel like...
So you think it would be straight?
Yeah.
Wait now I'm confused on the double negative.
Yeah, it's a double negative.
So, okay, here, here's the statement.
A man dating a transgender woman is not straight.
To which you disagree.
So you think it is straight?
Yes.
Okay.
You think it is straight.
Absolutely.
Straight.
You think it is straight.
Yeah.
And then you think it's straight too.
Yeah, I do.
Okay.
Why?
Or how?
I think it's the attraction to the femininity.
And that woman is saying she's a woman and is a woman on the inside.
Yeah, let's, well, I guess before I have you guys make the justifications, what is a woman?
Well, you can talk about gender versus sex, but I'm saying in terms of how somebody identifies, whether they get surgery or not, or take hormones or not, if they are presenting as a woman and decide to be a woman, I think they're a woman.
So a woman is, if you can make it a bit more success of a definition.
Succinct?
Secise?
I don't know.
Whatever.
Somebody who wants to be a woman.
There's another.
So a woman is somebody who wants to be a woman.
Here, we'll come back to it.
I'll let everybody answer.
As someone with a natural vagina.
Okay, sure.
I think someone who is a woman is like, it's in their head, like their soul.
Sorry.
Like that they believe themselves are woman.
I think that's what makes a woman.
So a male could be a woman.
Well, no, that would be a woman then.
If they think they're a woman.
Yes.
If you think you're a woman, you're a woman.
Yes.
I personally am very pro-trans rights.
I think that if you identify as a woman, if you feel like you were born in the wrong body, you have every right to come out and say, I actually am a woman and I feel like a woman.
It's a tale as old as time.
I mean, we have people dating like back to cavemen who would identify differently if you look.
How would you know there was no means of ridding?
That is what my history teacher told me.
How would it history would require some means of like a ridding?
I'm pretty sure they're talking about like the hieroglyphics.
There were trans hieroglyphics.
I'm assuming this is something I learned in my human sexuality.
I'll address that, but I'll let everybody answer before we come back to you.
What is a woman?
A woman is so aesthetically, it's boobs, vagina.
There's something about a woman, isn't there?
But I have to say, I've been to Thailand, and some of the ladyboys look more like women than the actual women.
I have to be honest.
Wait, can you try to avoid banging on the table?
Yeah.
Okay.
Sure.
Go ahead.
What about you?
I think a woman is like feminine energy.
And I think even some guys have feminine energy.
And like some women have masculine energy.
And if you feel that you are a woman, then you can be one.
So if you feel, okay, all right.
Des, what about you?
Yeah, I feel like if you feel like just a little closer to the mic.
I feel like if you feel like you're a woman, then you're a woman.
So if you feel like you're a woman, these are kind of circular definitions.
Like if you a cat is a cat because they're a cat, you know, there's you can't use the word in the definition.
But so can I guess a couple clarifying questions here, but before that, there's a chat coming through.
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If Donald Trump identified as a woman tomorrow, would he or she be the first female president?
Why or why not?
Okay, going around the table, if he identifies a woman, would he be the first female president?
I'd say yes.
Yes, okay.
No.
No?
Okay.
I want to say yes if he's doing it in good faith, like he genuinely feels.
Genuine transition.
Like she genuinely feels.
Donald Dina Trump.
Dina Trump.
Dina Trump.
General.
First woman president.
First woman.
Okay.
What about you?
I'd say no.
No?
Okay.
What about you?
Yeah.
I'm saying no.
Yeah.
Would you guys be happy about that being the first woman president, though?
No, just because of the things that he said about the LGBT.
Why did you say that?
I'm not saying anything about women.
Well, you said it.
Oh, shit.
You're right.
Yeah.
I was just repeating your.
I guess a couple.
But I guess she.
Sure.
A couple clarifying questions on this.
Can a male become female?
Yes.
Well, just to be clear, I'm talking about sex, not gender.
So can a male become a female?
In terms of chromosomes?
Or at least.
In terms of their biology.
In terms of their chromosomes, no.
In terms of their sex.
Physical anatomy, yes.
So just to be clear, you think a neo-vagina is the same as a vagina?
I've never seen one, but I would assume so.
You don't think there's like any anatomical differences?
Like, the tissue material is exactly the same, and like it's anatomically identical.
One's an open wound and one's a muscle.
I wouldn't know the difference.
I've never seen a trans woman, I guess, like, I know.
And me myself, I'm not like an expert in trans surgery, but like I have sort of just a kind of base level understanding of like kind of where we are at technologically.
And my understanding is like you cannot recreate a vagina or a penis.
Like it's not a one-to-one just because like I don't think a hole is a vagina.
Like maybe to you, that's what a vagina is, but I think there's like other components to it.
Sure.
Okay.
So can a male become a female?
Yes.
Okay.
Your answer?
No, I do not.
Your answer?
Emotionally, mentally, and physically, yes.
Emotionally?
Genetically?
I don't think so.
Wait, sorry, what?
Genetically, I don't think so, but genetically.
Mentally, emotionally, physically, yes.
Can a male become a female?
I agree with what she just said.
That was my answer as well.
Yeah, I think that, like, obviously, if you're going down to the genetics, you cannot recreate that.
We're not there with science.
I don't know if we ever will be.
But as far as like, I don't know, I stand on what I said.
Okay.
I would agree with that as well.
But you could become a woman if you had a very good sex.
Yeah, but I'm not asking about gender.
I'm kind of rejecting gender for this.
Like if you could just be a woman.
No, I'm talking about sex.
Like, can you change your sex?
No, I guess not.
Okay, what about you?
No, not like scientifically, no, but like you can believe whoever, like, I don't know.
Okay, what about her?
I agree with her.
But like, just can you restate, like, just state your position instead of just like, I don't.
I don't want to be.
Yeah.
What's your position, though, Des?
I feel like you can't really change genetics, but you can definitely change to your parents.
Okay, you can, so women to you, women, females, it's purely like it's you, you get fake titties, you wear a wig, you do your makeup, you're a woman.
You're a female?
Do you feel like a woman on the inside?
Yeah.
Like when you wake up, are you like, I am 100%.
Like, what if you woke up as a woman?
You'd feel like a man, right?
What would the frame of reference be?
Yeah, I'm not, I don't have the experience of like I feel, there is no feeling like I feel like a man.
I feel like a leprechaun.
You are, are you Irish?
Andrew?
Guy, falsify, like, falsify that claim.
I feel like a leprechaun, therefore I'm a leprechaun.
Can you falsify that?
Can you falsify that how I feel about being a leprechaun?
Can you falsify that?
Andrew, can you just explain falsify?
Like, can you prove me wrong that I don't feel like a leprechaun?
No.
I believe the people who are the hell you want to be.
I'm not going to be wrong how a person claims they feel, but I have no point of reference for how a leprechaun would feel because I'm not a leprechaun, just like I would have no point of reference for how a woman feels because I'm not a woman.
Right?
It's not possible.
Sure.
I mean, I know that I feel very confident within my gender.
And if I were to wake up in a male body, like, I guess I'll turn the question on me.
I would probably transition.
I feel like I'm a very feminine person.
So a couple, just a few more questions on this.
And I know Andrew probably wants to jump in, but just a few questions.
In your answer, you said, well, if they feel like they're a woman, they think they're a woman, they're a woman.
But what about, and I'm going to go ahead and grant that.
Like, they can feel, I'm not trying to police how people feel.
There's really no way to police like how people think and how they feel.
There's no way to like exert control or power over that in any capacity.
Not possible.
But like externally, when it comes to their participation in society and the world, what about truth?
Like when it comes to, I get that they can think that they're a woman, but they have a penis or whatever.
I get that that's how they feel and how they think.
But to what degree do I have to participate in their delusion?
I feel like I can't answer this because I'm not a transgender person.
So it's kind of like, how do you know what a leprechauns are?
Well, I think.
So like I can't speak for those people.
I think you can be whoever the hell you want to be.
Well, I wasn't asking you to speak.
I wasn't asking you to speak for them.
I was just engaging with your worldview.
So to what degree must I or other people participate in what, like their truth?
And what if our truth is like, no, like males can't be females, men can't be women?
That's our truth.
You can be whoever you want to be.
I'm very much a person where like you can have your opinions, I can have mine, and we can sit down at a table and get along.
Sure, absolutely.
But what about like the actual manifestations when it comes to like, do you think the position that I just stated of I don't believe that males can be females, do you think that that's transphobic?
I think you have to go into a little bit more detail because are we talking about like their gender or their sex?
You don't believe that people who are so I mean I kind of reject gender, but yeah, both.
I don't think men can become women.
For the sake of the conversation though, I'll actually grant it because it tends to make things a little easier.
But no, I don't think you certainly can't change your sex.
But like within your paradigm of like gender as a like a social construct, can you change your gender?
I think gender is like is linked to sex.
And since you can't change your sex, then by proxy, you can't change your gender.
So I guess do you think that that's transphobic?
To a certain degree.
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
So I guess here's where we're getting somewhere when it comes to what degree do I need to participate in what I view as a potential delusion.
So you've labeled this as essentially like this could be a hate crime to like refuse.
Okay, but like what if I refuse to say all that?
What if I refuse to use somebody's pronouns?
Like, should I be like, get in trouble?
And, like, I mean, I think it's insensitive.
Again, I think that's true.
But, okay.
Go ahead.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Go ahead.
I have a lot of transgender friends, and I've repeatedly been told if someone slips up and they use the wrong pronouns, but it was like, it was in good faith.
They are not trying to be rude.
I don't believe that that's transphobic.
I believe if you are going after someone specifically because of how they identify, that absolutely is transphobic.
It's racist to go after someone who's a specific race.
Yeah, but it's not about going after somebody.
It would just be like, this is why can't we have a conversation about truth?
Like, what is the actual truth that matters?
You know, like, it's their personality.
Well, hold on.
There is the truth.
I don't believe in your truth, my truth.
Well, it's just the para.
You're just talking about the paradox of tolerance now, anyway, right?
So when you say it's my truth and your truth, it's like, okay, well, my truth is not be tolerant.
And your truth is that I should be tolerant.
So then you say that.
The only thing that should be tolerant is intolerance, right?
Go ahead.
Sorry.
Well, should there be social repercussions if like somebody who doesn't believe that the male can become a female and is like, well, I, when it comes to pronouns, I attribute that to sex, not gender, because I don't buy into the gender framework.
So this person to me is a male, ergo, he's a he, him.
Sure, I think that that's really unfortunate.
Do I think when you say it's unfortunate?
What do you mean?
That they believe that?
I think it's unfortunate that they're not willing to accept people for who they want to be.
But what's to prevent somebody from saying like, oh, I think it's unfortunate that you won't actually like, you don't believe in truth?
I think it's fair enough to say objective truth.
I think it's fair enough to think something and have an opinion, but I think sometimes.
That's not what we're debating, though.
So are you saying that there should be like, sorry, are you saying there should be like physical repercussions?
Like, what are you saying?
Can you rephrase your question?
Well, so, I mean, I was asking, you said it was transphobic.
You object to transphobia.
Then should there be like social repercussions?
Like, for example, in the school setting, let's say like a student is like, I don't believe in this.
I'm not going to refer to this.
I'm not going to use the pronouns.
I'm not going to use the pronouns.
Should like the student get detention?
Should there be like, if they continue to refuse, should they be like kicked out of school?
What do you think?
I think that the trans suicide rates in the public, sorry, in the public school.
It's fine.
But the school system is mostly due to peer pressure and not being accepted, especially in the Midwest.
Yeah, but we can talk about why you shouldn't be trans then.
No, because that person is expressing their truth.
They should be able to be.
I guess you really probably shouldn't express your truth if your truth is so horrible for you that you want to unalive yourself, right?
Doesn't sound like that.
No, it's not that they're unaliving themselves because they're trans.
It's because they feel like they can't be accepted.
Yeah, but connecting the answer is not being.
But here's the problem, right?
It's like, yeah, they're not being accepted.
So that seems like a really good showcase for why they shouldn't present themselves as trans.
That seems like a really good showcase for that.
So here's the thing.
If it is the case that you think that they would still unalive themselves at the same rate because they're not being accepted, then how come they weren't doing it before they could come out as trans in the 20s and 30s?
How come?
Sorry, Reed.
Because when they kept that shit in the closet, because when they kept that shit in the closet, somehow they didn't unalive themselves.
So it seems like them presenting themselves as trans thus ridiculed for their peers because we don't believe this shit that they're saying leads to their unalive.
Can I get an answer?
I'll get you in just a sec.
Can I get an answer to my question, though?
Should there be like repercussions in the school settings?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So if like a 16-year-old's like, I don't believe in this.
These are like my personal values.
I'm not going to insult this trans person.
I'm not going to like bully them, but I just refuse to refer to them by their preferred pronouns.
If it's like, if it's a male and they're a trans woman, I'm not going to call them she, her.
I feel like it's hard for me to speak to.
I've never been in that situation.
I do know that like I don't know.
It's a tough one.
It's a really tough one because I believe that everyone should have their own opinions, you know, and I believe that you are totally allowed to have your own opinions.
I think your opinion is harmless if it's not hurting someone else.
Meaning, like if that person isn't going after that trans person, if that person is purposely avoiding them to not hurt their feelings or like something like that, I think that that might be.
What if I purposely like walk around and just laugh at them?
I'm like, ha Yeah, that's fucked up.
You're not a chick, dude.
What if I do that?
Should something happen to me then?
You're a piece of shit.
I don't think something should happen to you, but I think that that would make you be shit, personally.
Yeah, I'm trying.
Yeah, yeah, I get it.
I get that you think it'd make me a piece of shit, but should something bad happen to me?
Yeah, there should be repercussions because what should the repercussion be for me laughing at you for pretending to be like something you're not?
What should the repercussion be?
I think that that's up to the school system, the severity of the situation.
I think this is really like very, very generalized.
It's hard to speak on generalized.
Do you think there should be like Andrew's not in school right now?
Do you think there should be criminal penalties?
Criminal penalties?
Yeah, like maybe it's you get a fine, like $300 fine if you don't, $200 fine.
I feel like I can't speak to this because I'm not in that person's shoes.
I don't know who cares.
Yeah, but don't worry about that.
Let's say you were like the dictator of the United States and you could implement a rule, a fine that says, okay, on the first offense, you have to pay a $200 fine.
I would survey trans people to see how they feel.
Yeah, and let's say all trans people were in favor of the fine.
Would you do it?
I would then, I mean, that's just not how that really works.
You have to go through so many people.
Well, okay, so let's, but the hypothetical scenario.
Let's say like 90% of trans people were like, yeah, we should definitely find people that refuse to use our preferred pronouns.
Would you then pass a law that fined people for doing so?
Again, I believe that people are all entitled to their own opinions.
That is something I believe.
I also believe you should never be a s towards anyone.
Yes, yes or no.
I feel like I can't speak to this.
You're the dictator.
You have total, total power to enact your worldview as it pertains to the law.
In this current moment, I do not have an answer for you.
My apologies.
I mean, it kind of sounds like yes, you would.
No, I don't know.
Don't put words in my mouth.
You know what?
The fact that you won't say no, like, yeah, that's ridiculous.
Like, I'm not going to control people's speech in that way.
And like, that's the thing that's stopping me is, like, I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
So that is what's going on.
Except if there's harm.
And you're saying, which you which you said.
Yes, unless you're hurting.
Yes, in your worldview, refusing to use somebody's preferred pronouns.
Is that causing harm?
Again, like I said, trans people have told me in the past, it just varies.
It really varies on the situation.
Oh, grant.
I'm going to go ahead and grant for the sake of this that it does cause harm.
Should there then be penalties?
What kind of harm?
You said you related to this.
Emotional.
It just hurts their feelings.
Well, I mean, let's use her example, though.
You referenced the unaliving rate is really high in the trans community.
Sure.
So, yeah, that's the harm.
They're unaliving themselves because people are refusing to acknowledge them as women.
I don't know if you can.
So there's the harm.
You can monetize something like that.
Like, you said, like, a $300 fine.
Like, I don't know if I could say, like...
Wait, wait, but hold on.
So...
So, like, if you like commit various crimes, it's not monetization.
It's like, okay, if you illegally park, there's typically going to be a fine.
There could eventually be, your car could get towed.
More serious crimes, there's fines, there's imprisonment.
I mean, perhaps like if you've misgendered somebody like three, four times, would you consider like imprisoning people?
If they continue, they're just like, fuck your fines.
I'm going to continue.
Very, I don't know.
That's a bit far.
We're talking about that.
What if they misgender a hundred times?
They refuse to follow the law.
And you find them, you've tried to find them a bunch.
Should they eventually, not the first time, not the second, but eventually far enough down the road, if they refuse to like, yes, this is a woman, should they eventually go to prison?
Again, I feel like I can't speak to this.
I know.
You're the dictator.
Start a dictator.
Okay, can you make someone else a dictator?
Can I answer that?
Well, I'm exploring your worldview because you have a strong position.
Did I ask you a really easy question that you can't speak to that I think is a reasonable question to speak to?
Sure.
So let's say you have a trans friend, right?
This is a M to F, male to female, right?
Sure.
And doesn't have a bottom surgery.
You still consider this person to be a woman, right?
Yeah.
Right.
What's that?
Yes.
Okay, so if their significant other, in this case, is also a male, right?
And not trans, and says, I'm going to go home and suck my girlfriend's dick.
Do you consider him to be straight?
Yeah, sure.
However they want to identify.
Again, I am okay with complying with people's opinions and people are allowed to have their own.
I just want to get this right.
I just want to get this right.
Your friend says, I'm going to go home and suck my girlfriend's dick and you think that that person is straight, right?
And why is this a problem?
I just want to get that correct that that person is straight.
Because as we all know, everyone always associates men sucking other men's penises with being a heterosexual, as we all know.
Sure.
I feel like I can't decide that for that person.
Are they identifying as straight?
And are you asking me to argue against it?
Yeah, they're identifying as straight.
Hell yeah, man.
Be who you want to be.
Yeah.
It's fine.
Straight.
Wait, straight menu.
I mean, that's what straight men are known for.
Did you have, you had a question that you wanted to ask?
It was about when you were talking about people in the closet self-delete themselves.
So like, why don't they stay in the closet?
Was that gone?
I don't.
I don't recall.
It was in the past.
I actually.
Yeah, I was posing that.
I forgot.
Oh, okay.
That's fine.
I can just restate it.
Well, no, no, no.
So what was your thing, though, just now?
You said, why does that matter?
Well, I mean, why?
Like, why does it matter?
Because Andrew was asking about, like, okay, so a guy says, I'm going to go and And S my girlfriend's penis.
And you're like, well, why does that matter?
But so I guess, why, who are you guys to dictate to people who are heterosexual what is and what is not heterosexual in the way that you would probably just at least in your worldview justifiably find it offensive?
Like, no, you actually aren't able to be homosexual.
Like, if we denied that, like, what homosexuality was, you would like object to it.
So, oh, hold on.
We're objecting to you dictating to us what heterosexuality is.
And, like, you're trying to basically put on me.
And if we bring this to its furthest enough conclusion, is like, okay, if I refuse to date a trans woman because she's trans, this is transphobic.
And then some people want to enforce punishments, whether that's through the government or whether that's like through social shaming.
If I don't want to date a trans woman, if I don't want to date a woman who has a penis, I should be now subject to attack in some capacity.
Do you see how this is potentially dangerous?
I missed that whole conversation.
I don't think you having, I'm sorry, I went to the bathroom, but I don't think you having your stance personally on your preference in terms of like you wouldn't date a trans woman.
I don't think that's transphobic.
Yeah, but there are people, I understand that that's not your position, but I'm being fairly con.
I mean, do you think if I don't want to date a trans woman because she's trans, do you think that that's transphobic?
No, I mean, do you think that that's transphobic?
Yeah.
Honestly, no.
Like I said, I think that's a good idea.
Everyone's allowed their own preference of the transsexual.
Into the mics, guys.
But there are people who do advocate for this.
And ultimately, it's just interesting, though.
You're trying to dictate to us what is straight, what isn't.
And aside from just like, okay, you guys doing a critique of heterosexuality, it's like, how about just a truth conversation?
What is the truth?
Okay, well, here, I'm going to let a couple chats come through.
I know Andrew has some questions, but Chris donated $200.
If you feel like you are a good singer and you go to an American Idol audition and the professional judges say that you suck, then who is right?
Your feelings or the professional judges?
Good question.
I think it's an opinion.
Do you want to weigh in on this?
I saw you scampering back.
I think that those people probably have a more professional view of music.
And so they're professionally trained.
I'm like, I partake in music.
And I think that if you're trained, absolutely you can say like that person is specifically off-key.
A professional opinion.
You know, like I've been trained musically.
I've been partnered with people who have not been.
It's a skill.
It's like riding a bike.
So you, yes, you're, are you saying basically like when it comes to music, essentially there are like actual things that you can point to and like there's like a mathematical basis when it comes to music?
Before we turn this, I am solely talking about music.
Like if we're trying to turn this to any other subject, I'm just talking about music.
Yeah, okay, that's fine.
But like I think when it comes to the discussion that we were having, it's actually on an even more basic level.
Oh, Lord.
I got peace or okay, that's fine.
I'll continue speaking.
It's on a more basic level than music.
It's your biological sex.
This is something that you cannot change.
Okay.
So pretty.
Well, this, I mean, this is actually pretty important fundamental questions because we're talking about dating.
Wait, just one quick sec.
I'll have you come in right after this.
I just gotta let these two come through.
Scott Bobble donated $200.
Can we go around the table again?
To get a definition of what a woman is, this was avoided by these people originally.
Give an answer, don't dance around it.
Well, I do think that they did give answers.
I know you maybe weren't satisfied with said answers, but yeah.
But Scott, thank you for the TTS.
And then we have one more coming in from.
Dean with us donated $199.
Chair number four, you are pursuing Anna Chin Raiden's interest.
I'll have to pull it back up.
She's not at the table.
My bad.
I'll pull it back up, though.
Andrew, well, I think they're in the bathroom debating whether they rage quit the show because this is a very, these are, like, I understand that these are controversial topics, right?
But the thing is, is you got to think about dating in the modern marketplace.
We can't decide on what women are.
You can't decide on what women are.
The battle of the sexes, when it comes to how you adjust for a partner or something like this, it seems like it's a pretty pertinent question in modernity, you know, to be like, well, I have dating preferences and things like this, you know.
But if you just, if you just kind of signal that men can be women, right?
I think that it would make a lot of men very uncomfortable that women hold that view.
I think it would necessarily.
So I think that these are pretty pertinent to the dating questions.
And for some reason, people get really offended by this, even though you guys had the most degenerate talk possible just two hours ago.
It's the most degenerate shit talking about orgasms and this and that.
But suddenly it's brought up whether or not, oh, can you go suck your girlfriend's dick?
Is that straight?
And suddenly it's like, oh, oh, how could he say such a thing?
It's like, where's the consistency here?
You talk about every degenerate thing on planet Earth, but we get to the meat, the brass cats of what even it is we're talking about, suddenly people get offended.
I think it's silly.
Why not have the combo?
Yeah.
But I have a ton of great questions here.
If you guys want to move the topics, I'm fine with it.
Well, I want to stick on it for a little bit, but I'm pretty much almost done.
But the two kind of dissenters, the primary dissenters, are gone.
Although, Alex, you were a dissenter on this, and then also...
I was a dissenter?
Well, you think that a man dating a transgender, you think it's straight for a man to date a transgender woman?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I guess I'll engage with you while those other two are gone.
So if you see two males nude engaging in intercourse and you don't know their gender identity, would you categorize the sex act as homosexual?
Two males?
Well, who am I to tell them who's a male and who's a female?
They both have people.
Who are you to tell people who murderers are?
Who are you to say what a murderer is?
Who are you?
In fact, who the fuck are you to say anything, I guess?
You just don't, you don't hold positions on anything.
Yes.
Who are you to tell me what your name is?
I'm just not really like a judgmental person.
Sorry, I would say I'm just not a judgmental person.
I'm very open.
It's not a judgment.
It's not a judgmental person.
It's not a judgment.
Did you just make a judgment about how not judgmental you are?
Pretty judgy of that.
Okay, so.
Checkmate?
Yeah, pretty much.
I mean, so I'll ask the question again.
You see two males who are nude engaging in intercourse.
You don't know their gender identity.
Would you categorize the sex act as homosexual?
Sure, if I don't know any context.
yeah you don't know their gender identity but if somebody so but wait hold on hold on Why do I always get caught up?
Just hold on, just hold on, because I'm adding some details.
Hold on.
Host here.
Host privileges.
So not knowing the context, you would categorize it in that way, correct?
Sure, yeah.
Okay.
And so if during that act that you had initially categorized as homosexual, if one of them shouted out and said, yo, Alex, BTW, I identify as a woman, would you then instantly change the categorization to heterosexual?
For me personally, yes.
Interesting how that works.
Here's another question though.
So how do I want to frame this?
How do you define heterosexuality?
A male and a female gender-wise.
Or heterosexuality?
Heterosexuality.
A male and a female.
How people identify as their genders.
Right.
So, but just to be clear, like is a transgender woman female?
In my eyes, yes.
Wait, hold on.
So I'm going to, for the sake of the conversation, I'm going to go ahead and grant.
I'm going to go ahead and grant these girls over here.
Oh, you're fucking, what's that stuff they get on their hands or whatever?
Not the tattoos.
Hannah, Henna.
Henna.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, my God.
Hannah.
That's great.
So I'm trying to remember, recall where I was at here.
Can you guys not do the little sidebar thing that you guys are doing?
So I'm trying to.
Can somebody jumpstart me a little bit?
What was I just saying?
Something about.
Well, what?
Oh, between gender and sex.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So is a transgender woman female?
Yes.
Okay, so granting, I'm going to go ahead and gender-wise.
Female is not gender.
Gender would be male.
There's man, woman, man, woman, gender, sex, female, male.
Okay.
So are transgender women female?
Okay, wait, hold on.
Which one is sex and which one is gender?
Male, female.
Are you intentionally being obtuse?
No.
I literally, we already just said.
Because we're okay, whatever.
Okay.
I believe that.
Here, I'll explain it to you.
Sex, male, female, gender, man, woman.
Okay, I believe that a trans woman is a woman.
Yeah, are they female, though?
By their sex, no.
Okay, thank you.
But I said that from the beginning that they're chromosomes are different, technically.
Well, we understand, but when you were restating it, you were using the category to say, in my eyes, trans women are female.
Which is giving us the sex category.
So he's Brian was confused.
Thank you for clarifying because I was also confused.
Yeah.
And so I'm trying to kind of remember here, like, whose positions were what.
Do you think that a transgender woman is female?
No, a transgender woman is a man.
I think they're female.
You think they're female?
Okay.
Do you think transgender women are female?
Oh, yes.
Do you think transgender women are female?
No.
Okay.
Just can you explain to me how transgender women are female?
i actually rather not speak on that at the moment you uh did you is this what you guys i'm just like slightly uncomfortable and i just don't you're You're uncomfortable.
It's a really big topic, and there's a lot of people watching.
And You could talk about orgasms and dildos and everything else in this audience for like to this audience for two hours ago, but suddenly we bring up which effects ding on calm down, which effects dating.
And now suddenly you're like, oh my god, there's no possible way for me to engage in this topic because somebody might see it and it might hurt their feelings.
Can we get people like back at the table if y'all are done using the bathroom and all that?
So, okay.
I guess where I'm confused is like people.
So to you, you think a transgender woman is a female.
I'm prepared for the sake of the conversation.
I'll go ahead and grant that transgender women are women.
It's not my actual position, but I'll just grant it.
But like, sex is a much higher standard than gender.
So transgender, you think transgender women are female?
How do you come to that conclusion?
Like, have they changed their chromosomes?
Were they.
I mean, I feel like if you had the surgery, then it would make sense.
Like, yes, they are female.
Because, like, I mean, if you get a boob job and you don't have boobs, are they still boobs?
Like, yes.
Like, so I would, I mean, I would say that you mean like if a male gets breast implants, are they the same as like female breasts?
No, because you went born with it.
And then you have them.
Does it mean that you stood they all weren't that family?
I would get huge boobs right now.
Are they boobs still?
Do you think if I have fake chromosomes versus gender?
Your breasts are your boob is still there.
Is it the same as having like if you get double Ds through implants, is it the same as natural double D's?
No.
No.
Like would you?
No, no, but they're still boobs.
That's facts, isn't it?
It's facts.
Yeah, that's telling us that doesn't mean that.
Actually, this would make Brian's point.
You're absolutely right, right?
They would still be breasts.
Those people would still be male.
I think, no, like those people.
They got fake breasts, they would still be male.
No, not if they get boobs.
If they like get the sex change, you can't change your sex.
So then you're still always considered to be born.
Let me ask you this.
We'll just see if this actually tracks logically at all.
Okay, so you have trans people who get a bottom surgery, have penis removed, and then have a neo vagina put in.
You guys agree that this is a fact.
This does happen, right?
Yes.
Okay.
And you would consider that to now be a female, right?
I would.
Yes.
Now, let's say that a guy was driving down the street, a man, okay, and he got a terrible car accident.
He flew out the windshield and it cut off his penis, right, and slashed perfectly a neo vagina into him.
Now, this just happens a freak accident, but freak things happen all the time.
Why is that guy now not a female?
Because he doesn't identify as a woman.
So then the identification, the gender is what we're talking about, but you can't change the sex, can you?
Yeah, I agree.
You cannot change your chromosomes scientifically.
That has already been gone over.
Wait, so just going around the table on this, well, I think we asked, are transgender women female?
Yeah.
If they identify as female, then they're clarifying.
Scientifically, no.
Wait, hold on.
I'm talking about sex.
Oh, female male pertains to sex.
Biologically speaking, no.
Okay.
And then, hold on.
There's two chats that are coming through.
This one's for you.
Dean with us donated $199.
Chair number four.
You are pursuing an obscene radency and cannot have a consistent view.
You are failing your future women patients.
Why is my view inconsistent?
I do have a question on the OBGYN thing.
If a male came to see you once you become an OBGYN and they're like, hey, I think my period is coming.
What would you tell them?
So that would never happen because I'm going to birth work.
So they would have to be pregnant.
Okay, can a male become pregnant?
Are we talking about if they've gone between like female to male transition?
You can't transition your sex, but can a male become pregnant?
Biologically speaking, no.
So, okay.
So where are my views not being consistent?
I want to know that.
Well, I'm just curious, though, if a transgender woman who's male came to see you and was like, I think I'm pregnant.
I would explain to them that that is scientifically not possible, unfortunately, yet.
Okay.
Okay.
Unfortunately.
I'll show you where I'll show you where your view.
I think we've untangled this, and I actually will show you where your view is inconsistent, right?
And I'll do it with a single question.
Can a white person change their race if they identify as being a black person?
Race and gender expression are two completely different topics.
Aren't they both immutable?
Race and gender are completely incomparable.
Are they immutable?
Pardon?
Is your sexual expression an immutable characteristic?
Part of you.
I don't, I'm not understanding your question, but sure.
I have no idea.
Can you, so you're born this way.
You're born with it.
You're born this way.
You can't change it, right?
Like I said, there are tales as old as time of people transitioning.
I think that that is kind of absurd to compare that to race.
I'm just, why can't you change your race?
I don't know.
Pick that up with people who want to change their race.
Why don't you?
I'm just asking for consistency.
If you're a white person, why can't you identify as being a black person and be able to use the N-word and be able to do all that?
Well, because of the discrimination.
Why can't you participate in activities related to that community just like men are trying to do with women?
probably because of the past discrimination and you know like I mean they probably could if they weren't to be honest It's been a whole thing.
I feel like those two things are very incomparable.
Well, that doesn't answer the question.
I understand that you don't think that the comparison is good, but you didn't actually answer why self-IDs.
If I self-ID right now as black, am I?
No, because race and gender are not comparable.
Those are two.
But what about my self-identification?
Yeah, but that's there's a difference because I'm sitting here saying that if you were born a man, your chromosomes will never change.
If you are born white, your skin color isn't going to change.
But that's not to say that if you were to identify as a woman, you're not a woman.
Wait, I'm sorry.
Isn't race a social construction just like gender?
No, I'm pretty sure that that's biological.
So you think that there's biological races and it's not a social construction?
I mean, I guess, yeah, you are born.
I mean, that's what they're saying.
Are we talking about ethnicity?
Like, yeah, you're born ethnicity.
I mean, that's what Nazis believe, right?
That there's that there's individual races, but my understanding was that from the left race is a social construction.
We're all human beings.
If we're talking about ethnicity, then like...
No, I'm not talking about ethnicity.
I'm talking about race.
Race is a social construction, right?
I feel like I don't know enough about this topic for me to state.
Well, either way, either way.
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Brian and Andrew, what I have learned over the years is this.
Do not necessarily attribute to malice that which can be more easily attributed to incompetence.
Chair One isn't trolling.
She's just low IQ.
Thank you, Michael Jones.
I do appreciate it.
Andrew, go ahead.
You were about to.
Yeah, so look, I'm not going to beat you up about it.
I'm just showing you that it's inconsistent either way.
So if race is a social construction, just like gender, then you should be able to change your race because it's a social construct.
However, if it's immutable, just like sex, then there's no reason for us to believe that you can change whatever your expression of the sex is either.
I would say that.
So either way, human rights.
If I can't change, if I can't change, if you can change gender as a social construct, you could say, wait a second, you can become the thing you're not.
I don't know why I can't do that with race.
That makes no sense.
That literally is inconsistent.
It's bizarre, makes no sense.
I should be able to do that if it's just a social construct.
If it's not, and it's immutable, then you're saying they're not that thing anyway.
So it's like both ways it's inconsistent.
It's just not a tenable position.
My view is that trans rights are human rights, and you can be whoever the hell you want to be and you can believe whatever the hell you want to believe.
Then I can be black, right?
I don't.
I'm sorry.
You don't know.
You know, I thought everybody could be whatever the hell they want to be, but I can't be black.
Again, I feel like those two things are not comparable.
I feel like if there was a way of people being able to change their race this day and age, I'm pretty sure they would be doing it.
It would just, you know, it's a thing.
Like, people are identifying as toasters these days.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, if you could change your race, I'm sure there would be some people out there that would like to do that, you know?
Scott Bobville donated $200.
Didn't she say she dated a man making 500K?
Talking about corner woman, corner right.
Wait, what?
What does that have to do with anyone?
I think she was saying in high school she dated a guy who was a millionaire or something.
She had money in his family.
They were a million dollar family, multi-million dollar family.
I mean, that doesn't really translate necessarily to his bank account had over a million dollars in it.
Hey, you donated $200.
Approximately 1% of the population has schizophrenia, and at least half of those have delusions, such paranoid or grandiose.
Could we support them in their delusions?
Because it's how they truly feel.
So you can see on a brain scan, and you can see where those hallucinizations are coming from and what parts of the brain they're coming from.
If it is a medical thing, then they should get the help that they need.
So what about anorexia?
Sorry, what?
Anorexia.
Anorexia is a very common delusion.
You can't determine in the brain where it comes from.
It's a social disorder, right?
But it's clearly classified as a delusion.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not a problem.
Why is it brain scanning?
So anyway, I'd like to finish the answer.
You're asking the question, then you can answer.
Two very, very different things.
Absolutely.
One is incredibly dangerous and can kill you, and the other one is just in your mind.
Both are incredibly dangerous and can kill you.
We've already established that because you claim that the unalignment rate of self-unalignment by one is extremely high.
So it sounds like that can kill you too.
Sounds like it's a really bad social behavior to reinforce justice.
You know what kills people?
Not being accepted.
That's what kills people.
What kills people is the thing.
Oh, yeah, so we should accept anorexics.
Sorry?
I'm sorry, I got you.
We should accept anorexia.
No, because that's an immediate completely different thing, you know?
That's a horrific thing.
Eating disorders are gnarly.
Like, they are super gnarly.
And I think I can speak for majority of women when I say that you've woken up, you've looked in the mirror, and you haven't felt great that day.
That's body dysmorphia.
Anorexia is something completely different.
It is a completely different.
So you think that unhealthy behavior should be stigmatized?
Like anorexia?
We should stigmatize it.
Like we shouldn't, we shouldn't be telling girls they should be anorexic because it leads to bad results for them.
Yeah, no, you shouldn't tell a girl that she should.
Why am I going to tell girls or men that they should become women if it leads to bad results for them?
Like it seems like we should put a stigma on that too.
That just seems to logically track.
I think ultimately you can do what you want.
Period.
Like if you want to be anorexic, like, you know, do it.
If you must, if you must be anorexic and you really want to be anorexic, great.
Hey, if you want to be anorexic, be anorexic.
No, but wanting to change your gender, I wouldn't say, is a disease.
I wouldn't refer to that as being a disease, something that could potentially kill you.
I believe being anorexic is a really good thing.
Being anorexic will physically kill you.
Being transgender can kill you because of the social repercussions.
Your delusion is so bad that if I don't use the proper pronouns, you may unalive yourself.
That sounds like a really bad delusional condition.
It's not the one.
Which should be stigmatized, just like anorexia is a condition which can be really bad for the person.
I mean, this seems to distract from me just.
You keep on going back to like proper pronouns will kill someone.
That is not what kills someone.
It's the bullying.
It's the death threats.
It's the consistently feeling like you are one of one.
You are alone.
You are not supported by your peers.
It is the isolation that kills people.
Read it first.
I would, well, okay, wait a second.
So I'm really confused by this.
So that condition then sounds really, really dangerous to have and probably.
It's not a condition.
It's really dangerous to have.
It's not a medical condition.
I mean, in someone's opinion, it might be.
I mean, I guess, yeah.
It's not a medical condition now.
I'm super confused at this whole thing.
So it sounds like it's a really bad condition to have.
And we should probably try to have as many people avoid the condition as possible, right?
When talking about anorexia, you're talking about something that is malnutrition.
They are like physically starving themselves, but it is out on them, you know?
Yeah.
Transgender people, it is self-inflicted.
If we're talking about self-delete or whatever the hell is supposed to be.
That's a mental illness, I'd say anorexic.
Yeah, anorexic people are, there is mental illness there.
Is that what you're saying?
That people, that transgender people are mentally ill.
Like gender dysphoria is a mental illness?
That's fine to have that as an opinion, but it's a mental illness, just like anorexia is a mental illness.
For people wanting to change their gender, that's a mental illness.
No, I didn't say that.
I said that gender dysphoria or dysmorphia, whichever way you want to term it, that is classified in the DSM-5 as a mental illness, just like anorexia is classified as a mental illness that needs to be treated.
So the thing is, pretty interesting, I'd just like to notate, if you want people to stop being anorexic because it leads to really bad results, reinforcing that delusion, why is it that you wouldn't want, why is it you would want to reinforce the delusion of the other if it leads to really bad results still?
Because transgender people will also self-delete if they don't get to express themselves authentically.
Yeah, people see it.
Some people feel like they're born in another body.
Can I ask you a question?
Hang on, hang on.
Yeah, yeah, right after this.
So if anorexic people say, go ahead, go ahead.
So if anorexic people say then that they were going to self-delete themselves if you did not allow them to be anorexic, would you then reinforce that society should allow them to be?
I think there's a complete difference between anorexia being transgender.
That is such a hot.
Can you answer my question then?
Can you answer the actual question I asked?
Sorry, repeat your question because to me it's not making sense.
Clearly, our views are not.
So by your logic, then, if people had, you said people will unalive themselves if they're not allowed to do the activity, in this case, gender expression.
Okay.
Well, if anorexic people then said that they would unalive themselves, if you did not allow them to be anorexic, you then would have to say that we should be reinforcing their anorexia, right?
It's not comparable and you sound ignorant.
Can you answer the question?
It's not comparable and you sound ignorant.
Well, why?
I don't understand.
What's not what?
I don't understand here.
Anorexia and transgender are not comparable.
If people were going to unalive at all, if you didn't let them be anorexic, would you then tell them that they should be anorexic?
It's not fucking comparable.
Well, one threatens your life and the other doesn't.
So I would absolutely.
It sounds like both of them really threaten your life quite a bit.
I think it does.
The opposite.
Transgender.
I know so many transgender people.
Absolutely.
And now they're so happy of self-expression.
Well, because being transgender doesn't immediately equal wanting to kill people.
If anything, it's the opposite.
Anorexia takes about 10K people a year.
Transgenderism is about 1 million attempts a year.
That's 100 times more.
I would be very concerned about a mental illness that affects over 1 million people.
I'll say this.
If you think that a transgender woman is male, so their sex, so a transgender woman, you think that their sex is female?
You're literally a science denier.
Well, I never agreed with that.
Are you targeting me in that?
I'm speaking in general.
I know some people here's position is transgender women are females.
Biology is a hard science.
It's not a soft science like psychology, sociology, hard sciences like biology.
There's established fact.
It's not up for negotiation, not up for debate.
And yeah, it's just kind of crazy.
Well, I had, oh, if you wanted to ask me the question that you wanted to ask him, I did make the deal that I would answer your question.
No, it's okay.
Honestly, I feel like our views don't align.
And like I said previously, I believe in your right to feel the way that you feel and express yourself authentically.
I believe in my right as well.
I'm completely cool with you feeling that way.
I'm completely cool with me feeling this way.
We're not going to come to a meeting ground here, I feel like, you know, it's not productive to just keep on going in circles about the same thing.
Okay.
I did have some other questions, Brian, that maybe will be a little lighter, but also maybe hilarious.
You guys want to maybe switch topics, make it a little lighter?
What do you think?
Let me tell you.
Well, so we're going to do a couple more things.
Blake, do we have the age?
Okay, we'll do that in just a moment.
I guess, look, where we started here was the prompt was a man dating a transgender woman is not straight, to bring it back to dating.
So essentially, the position is as follows.
So if we're looking at the definition of heterosexual sex, so that's sexually or romantically attracted exclusively to people of the other sex, right?
So it doesn't say gender.
It's literally in the word itself, heterosexuality.
Straight is short form slang for heterosexual.
So to me, it's kind of like if the word sex is in the actual word heterosexuality, that pertains to your attraction to somebody's sex, not their gender.
And so my confusion there is if two males are having sex, regardless of their gender identity, that would definitionally not be straight.
It would not be heterosexual.
It just, it doesn't, it cannot be that.
Two males, regardless of their gender identity, regardless of the medical procedures they've had, they have some fake titties.
They got a wig.
They got long hair.
They look like a woman.
But if you got two males having sex, that's not heterosexual and it can never be heterosexual regardless of the gender identity.
I don't know if you want to contend with this or not.
I'm sorry, I zoned out, honestly.
I'm so done with this topic.
Well, I think we're all cognitive.
Sure, there's like some cognitive dissonance because you're like, whoa, my position is untenable.
No, it definitely isn't.
You think your position is tenable?
Okay.
Yes, I believe trans rights are human rights.
Yeah, we're not talking about trans rights.
And like, I just feel like this is going to keep on going.
Yeah, sure.
But so like, I kind of didn't get any answers to the previous thing, which was like if a male student, if a student in high school doesn't want to use the preferred pronouns of the other person, but they're not bullying them.
They're not like, oh my God, you're so gross.
They're not doing any of that.
They're just like, I'm not going to call this person a she.
They're a male.
I think that's okay.
Do you think that that student should face consequences?
They're not being nasty.
I'm not asking you.
Go ahead.
I agree.
If they're not, I don't know.
I don't know if I agree.
Honestly, that's a hard one for me because I believe that you should never be malicious towards anyone for any reason.
I think that you should allow people to express themselves freely and authentically.
I also believe that you should allow people to express themselves freely and authentically, which would go against my point.
You know, not everything is as black and white as you're trying to make it out to be.
How am I making it black and white?
You keep on asking very black and white, extreme questions.
Like, it's not one thing.
Do you think biological sex is nuanced?
Biological sex is biological sex.
We went over this.
You chromosomes are chromosomes.
There's male and female, and there's like rare.
But then there's also like gender expression.
Okay, and.
Yeah, but who, why do I even need to accept this idea that we need to even view it in that realm?
Like, why can't I just reject this idea of gender identity or gender expression and say my view is strictly about sex?
You can believe whatever the hell you want to believe.
I don't.
I actually don't believe this.
Like, do you think that like the Klan should be able to believe what they want to believe?
Probably, again, if it's malicious and if you are like harming people, then like don't fucking do that.
I think it's harmful for people to pretend that they are the opposite sex and want me to participate in the delusion.
I think that's harmful to me.
I'm sorry that you think that that's harmful, do you?
Yeah, but I mean, I'm sorry that you think the clan is harmful.
You see how unproductive that actually is.
Again, I feel like my opinions are very, like, we all know where I stand.
We know who I stand with.
Okay, can we go to those other topics here?
Here, a couple final things.
Not because I'm uncomfortable, but because, damn, I've said everything I got to say about this.
So like a couple final things here.
Oh, my lord.
Yeah.
I mean, so do you think a cis man giving oral sex to a transgender woman with a penis, is that heterosexual or homosexual?
Does she identify as a woman?
Yeah, it's a transgender.
Does he accept her as a woman?
Like, does he view her as a woman?
Yes.
Sure.
Then, sure, that can be heterosexual.
Okay, a cis man having penetrative anal sex with a transgender woman, is that heterosexual or homosexual?
That's pegging, my friend.
Some kinky, some kinky.
It's a cis man.
Yeah.
Yeah, you could be into butt stuff.
Yeah, but would it be heterosexual or homosexual?
Dude, there's so many straight guys who are into love it up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's not the question.
There's a lot of straight guys who are into having actual men's dicks up their butt, Arthur?
Here.
Yes.
I'll move on.
That is exactly what I thought.
Thank you for the clarification.
I've got a lot of gay friends that know about this.
Those would be called homosexuals if they want to get men's dick in their butt.
Those would be homosexual.
Is it being done by a woman?
That wouldn't be a dick, would it?
If the person is transgender, it would not be a penis, would it?
It would be something that's not a penis if it was done by a woman.
Unless you're saying that it's done by a woman with a penis, in which case a man.
And I would say that it's homosexual, right?
So strap on.
What about that?
Okay, here, two more on this specific thing.
A lesbian cis woman being penetrated by a transgender woman with a penis.
Oh, God, it's so confusing.
Is that a heterosexual?
Is that heterosexual or homosexual?
Are they being, they're two lesbians, yeah?
No, well, hold on.
It's a lesbian cis woman, so a female who's being penetrated by a transgender woman with a penis.
Oh.
That's lesbian sex.
So just to be clear, lesbian sex can include a biological penis.
If there are two women.
There are two women, but one of them has a penis.
Yeah.
You would say that that's lesbian sex.
Interesting.
Okay.
Two pre-operative transgender women engaging in oral sex or penetrative sex.
Is this heterosexual or homosexual?
It's two transgender women.
So it's two women.
True pre-operative.
So they both have a penis.
Two transgender women engaging in oral sex or penetrative sex.
Is that heterosexual or homosexual?
Oh.
I mean, that's gay.
Oh, that's interesting.
No, you're good.
By gay, I mean lesbian.
And by gay, I mean lesbian.
When I say gay.
So it'd be two lesbian penises.
Oh, yeah.
It'd be gay in general.
It'd be gay in general, wouldn't it?
Because it would be the same as what I did.
Two vaginas.
It's.
Can I ask you a question?
Do you know what pansexual is?
Yeah.
So that would be pansexual.
Because it's not.
What does homosexual mean?
Pansexual.
Sorry.
Pansexual is like when you are into trans people.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, it's when you're into anyone of any kind.
Yeah, it's hard.
Yeah.
What, let me ask you this.
What pronouns does a baby have before they can speak?
Before they can speak?
Yeah, before like a child can speak, what pronouns do they have?
Whatever they were born with until they can speak otherwise, until they can say, hey, I don't feel this way.
I mean, there's a reality TV show about that trans girl who came out at a very, very young age, and she to this day identifies as a woman.
Okay.
But so.
And so I feel like whenever you can say, I don't feel right in this body, then that should be accepted.
So you wouldn't call your child like they, them, until they've made a determination as to their own gender identity.
No, because more oftentimes than not, people do identify with the gender that they are born with.
If they, if my child comes to me and says, I feel like I'm transgender, mom, and I want to explore that, then we're going to go explore that.
I am, again, all for expression, opinions, personal ideas.
Yeah.
I guess final thing on this, because I didn't really get a question earlier.
So you're the dictator.
Oh, my lord.
And you can make a law that would.
I don't want to be the dictator, dog.
And no.
You are, but you don't even have.
Yeah, but okay.
So should then, should, would you, if you were the dictator, if you refuse to be the dictator, then like, should society, should the government pass laws to criminalize people who refuse to use people's preferred pronouns?
I've already said I'm not going to answer this question.
Why not?
I don't, I feel like, A, I don't criminalize it fully, and maybe that's like a dumb blonde moment.
I mean, that sounds like a lot of cope for trying to duck the question.
I think what you're essentially, what essentially is going on.
I feel like it's not up to me to dictate if someone should be punished or not.
I'll make it super simple.
There's a ballot that goes out in California.
Have you voted before?
Okay.
So you know how there's ballot proposals?
Sure.
Okay.
One of the ballot proposals is: should we criminalize to some degree, let's say, I'll start it simple.
Should there be a $300 fine if an individual provably misgenders, intentionally misgenders like maliciously trying to harm the other person?
I might be willing to grant that, but let's just keep it at this.
They intentionally, they refuse to use the person's preferred pronouns, and you could vote on it.
Would you vote yes, this should be criminalized with a fine?
I need to know if it's malicious or not.
Like, I need to know if it is out to get that.
How do you define malicious?
If it is out to hurt that person.
You guys, can you just speak to that?
If it's out to hurt that person.
How would you establish that?
Again, intent.
Are you avoiding their pronouns because it makes you personally uncomfortable, but you're totally cool with their gender expression?
Or are you avoiding their pronouns because you don't agree with what they're doing and you think that that person shouldn't have the right to change their gender?
What?
So what would actually be wrong with the latter?
I think there's, again, there's nothing wrong with the latter if you are not malicious.
If you are not out to harm that person.
Okay, but when we're talking about malicious here, we need to be precise.
So the person, their worldview is as follows.
I don't believe that you can become a woman.
I don't buy into the ideology.
Okay.
And so for this reason, they would say, I don't think it's malicious because this is what I believe.
I believe that this person is a man, even though maybe they look like a woman, they say they're a woman.
I believe this person is a man.
I feel like I'm not transgender, so I can't dictate.
But if it was on the ballot, if it was on the ballot, what would you vote for?
I would say exactly what I just said.
I would have to discuss with my transgender friends and see what they would like me to have.
And so I'm going to grant in this hypothetical, all your transgender friends or 90% of your transgender friends are like, this is super objectionable.
Like the self-harm rate in the transgender community is really high.
Maybe this will alleviate this.
Yes, we should make this initially a fine.
I honestly still feel like I can't speak to this one.
You know, you could say that's dodging.
So no, here's what I'm just going to infer then.
Your refusal to just outwardly say no.
Well, I'm going to have to.
So your refusal to just say, no, this is actually something that would be reprehensible.
Like we shouldn't police speech in this way.
I disagree with people who think like this, but should there be like a criminal fine, criminal penalty?
Absolutely not.
So your refusal to say no indicates towards yes.
So that's all I can really go with.
I believe you believe in free speech and it's a good idea.
It's a you categorically do not believe in free speech, but go ahead.
Okay.
No, go ahead.
No, it's okay.
Explain your position.
No, sure.
I really don't want to keep on going back and forth on this topic just because I can't specifically speak to this topic as a transgender person cut.
I can only advocate for my community as much as I do.
If you believe in free speech, your answer should be no.
Again, I believe in free speech until it's hurting people, until it is actively causing harm.
Okay, so which in America, you're not allowed to threaten people.
Does it cause harm for the scenario that I just painted of the person who doesn't believe in your ideology, who's like, I'm not going to call them names, I'm not going to insult them, but if they want me to call them a she and I think that they're a he, I'm not going to say it.
I'm going to refer to them as a he.
Does that cause harm, yes or no?
I'm so done with this topic.
I know the cognitive dissonance is difficult to deal with because you've probably never been challenged on your ideology.
You have total ideological capture on this.
Okay.
Total 100% ideological capture to the point that you're actually scared of forwarding your true position on this because you know it's like completely contrary.
You're refusing to answer it.
So it's completely contrary to free speech.
Okay.
I'm just going to agree just so that you can stop with this topic.
I believe that trans rights are human rights.
I believe that you should be able to express yourself however you want to express yourself.
And it's a damn shame that we even have to sit here and talk about if it should be illegal or not.
So it should be illegal then to misgender somebody.
It again depends on intention and I feel like that can be fine.
I'll grant it.
They're malicious.
They're malicious.
It's malicious.
Okay.
They're not calling the person a name.
They're not saying an actual insult.
Perhaps you view it as a person.
I don't know if there should be.
And it's malicious.
Yes, malicious misgendering.
They're like, this person is transgender and yes, I'm going to misgender them because of what I believe.
And sure, I'll grant it's malicious.
Fine.
I don't think that there should be laws against any form of free speech because then that just goes against what this country is kind of like built around in free speech.
And that argument can be shown so many different ways in so many different lights.
I think that if it's malicious, you're a shitty person.
Do I think that you are subject to imprisonment or a fine, like you were saying?
I don't, I don't know.
why isn't it just no i mean i what do you mean you don't know Shouldn't it be no?
If I believe in free speech and these American values and blah, blah, blah.
I guess no.
Shouldn't it just be no?
Then I guess no.
But you want, you're like, fuck yes.
Fine them.
That's what I think.
But hey, whatever.
You kind of took, it took you a little while to get to there.
All right.
Thank you.
Scott Bobby donated $200.
Mental illness is not a joke.
Love you, Brian.
You transition from one subject to another without difference.
Chair number one, who is a five-average, at best, should give her opinion, too.
Not many going at it.
I know.
I feel like I'm kind of being.
I shared my opinion already.
You asked me my opinion.
Did I not?
Sorry.
I shared my opinion already.
Yeah, you can pull it.
But thank you for the tip.
Appreciate it.
All right, we have Steve the Crowe.
Trans people want us to accept them for what they are when themselves were unable to accept themselves for that R.
The hypocrisy.
Excuse me.
Off the chart.
Funds people.
Okay, Steve the Crowe, appreciate it.
Thank you for the.
People act smart, but they don't know grammar.
I have a question.
Yeah.
Why is this topic so important to you?
What do you mean?
Because it's a pinnacle topic when it comes to dating and modernity.
Isn't this a dating podcast, too?
So why do I all of a sudden dictate?
Okay, but I already said, I said my answer to that prompt.
And now we're talking about if it should be legal or if it should be illegal.
And that's not dating.
Not what I came here for.
The United States right now is completely polarized by a left-right dichotomy.
Sure.
And this affects dating in a massive way, the left-right dichotomy does, where people will not date people of the opposite political persuasion, depending on how ideological they are.
Men avoid feminists, men avoid women who are involved in trans issues.
And women will often avoid men.
Hang on.
Men will often avoid, or women will often avoid men who are MAGA supporters or die-hard Trumpers or things like this.
So it is pertinent to dating and the dichotomy.
This is one of the number one complaints I hear, in fact, in the dating community.
I can't find a woman who's not a progressive.
Or I can't find a man who can pretend to be progressive.
You would say that men would avoid me because of these views.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
So at least that's the idea.
The immigrant men I'd have on my dick if I didn't have these views then, because there's still so many in my DMs.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure that they'll have sex with you.
Great.
And more relationships.
Like, right, like, great.
You and every other woman on planet Earth who wants to get laid can do it at a moment's notice.
Like, yeah, nobody's ever going to dispute that that's true.
That really doesn't have anything to do with long-term dating prospects.
The fact that there's anybody here that young women can have sex with men if they want to.
Like, that's not news to anybody.
I'm in a relationship.
That's kind of.
I've been in long-term relationships as well.
People are trying to date me.
I don't.
I don't get it.
Your statistical chance of staying in that relationship long-term, very low.
Is it?
At your age.
At your age, yeah.
I mean, I guess, but all of my relationships have been long-term.
Is your boyfriend a male feminist?
And all of those other relationships are over.
He told me not to talk about him, but I feel like I can say that, yeah, he believes in human rights and female rights and female rights.
Okay.
Yeah.
So he's a, I mean, feminism.
I can't speak for him.
Okay, so he's like a male.
He has feminism.
Did he vote for Kamala?
I'm not sure who he voted for.
Really?
You've been dating this guy for five months and the election was just five months ago?
I'm pretty sure.
Yes, he voted.
He voted for him.
What do you mean, you're pretty sure?
You might, you might wait, question.
I mean, I didn't ask him, but there's no way in hell he voted for a while.
Well, so honestly, if he did vote for Trump, he might have voted for the Green Party.
That's why I mean, like, I'm not sure, but it definitely was not.
If he voted for Trump, would the relationship be over?
I think that that's kind of a hard one.
What views is he aligning with for Trump?
Why is he?
Immigration.
He loves Trump.
That's a problem.
I think that, you know, if you.
So then it would affect dating.
Sorry?
So then it would affect dating.
I guess, yeah.
Yeah, that is fair.
That's why these viewpoints are so important that we flesh them out.
It's not to be mean.
It's to show that there is a massive contrast which is happening right now in the male and female mind in the United States.
Women are far more progressive than men are and hold these various views that men generally just don't hold.
And it has a lot of men who align with my relationships for men.
Like more men that align with my views than I do men who don't.
But maybe that's just where I'm from.
And sure, in demographic.
I guess that would make sense.
But I also live in other cities.
I lived in Pennsylvania.
Also, like young people.
Men in Pennsylvania are not going to align with your views.
But in California, sure.
And also, just one thing, just one thing.
Like, there's a lot of dudes who are like, especially Gen Z, younger guys, like 18 to 25, who like they know the cohort of women they're dealing with is like overwhelmingly like super progressive, super liberal.
They're just lying.
They're just trying to hit.
Like, they're not going to, like, if they're trying to fuck you, they're not going to be like, hey, by the way, I'm a Trump supporter.
They're just going to not talk about politics or they're going to lie about their politics just so they can hit just FYI to the ladies out there.
Well, thank you for the reading.
Not what I am, but yeah, for real.
They're alpiddy donated $200.
Thing is, girls' beliefs are very amenable.
Trans group have treated girls very nicely, unlike the guys who pumped and dumped them.
So despite guys, girls have become sympathetic to trans rights.
I have never been pumped and dumped.
I think that's a really silly, untenable position there for me.
The real pity.
But yeah, but that side.
Scott Bobble donated $200.
This is for Brian.
I hope this does not go to that chick on the corner.
I think that's for you.
Hold on, let me just read these chats really quick.
Andre says, yo, Andre, thank you for the $100 soup chat, man.
You're a legend.
We capitalist men will avoid all far-left socialist views like her.
Andrew is right.
Andre, thank you so much for your $100 soup chat.
Steve the Crow, Mayor C. Buku for the Canadian 100, my bad Brian, did the typo bane of being French.
In other words, trans people can accept themselves for who they were, but require others to accept them for who they are now.
That's an interesting perspective.
Thank you for the super chat, though.
Really do appreciate it, man.
Andrew, you had something, or I'm going to just move it on otherwise.
Yeah, well, just real quick.
That guy's username have small in it.
What are we talking about?
Sounds like something small.
Anyways.
Go ahead, Andrew.
Oh, no.
You know what?
I'm good, actually.
Let's go to the combo.
Here, let's pull up the age forward.
Can I ask a question?
I had a few of these pre-read.
I wanted to go around the table real quick.
I think they're pretty good.
Let's just do the age.
We'll do the age and then we'll do the questions.
Go ahead.
How much older am I here?
Whoever did these.
Who's our OG who does these normal?
Wait, mine on the left.
That look like a baddie on the left.
That's you currently.
To be fair, I know, but I looked up.
They hooked you up with a bit of AI.
Yeah.
They, you know, skin smoothing.
They did me like so.
Yeah.
Thank you so much.
So, yeah, that's your older version of you, I guess.
Next.
Oh, no.
That's not a good picture either, but that's fine.
I mean, I don't think anyone's going to like this one, are they?
You know.
Because, I mean, just to call back to this, we were going around the table.
A lot of you guys said that you think you'll be better looking when you're.
I said I would marry the mid-30s.
Yeah, that's true.
I don't think I'm going to look like that.
I'll be in your filler.
What is going on?
Oh lord.
I'm not.
Are you able to scroll down on that?
I'm done with this one.
It's okay.
Okay.
All right.
So, like, I think you said better at 40 or 30 or something.
Yeah, but I'm not going to look like that.
Like, I look like I aged like 50 years in that.
You're not 30 in that photo.
No, not 30.
I do not think you look 30 somehow.
Like, you're 28.
That's 48.
Yeah.
That's 48.
That's definitely 48.
And you were saying.
That's 48.
I think that's like 58, 60.
No, that's 48 for you.
No, I have an 80.
You're Asian?
I was going to say that.
Oh, so I didn't know.
Thank you for clarifying.
Okay.
Next.
Oh, Lord.
Oh, Lloyd.
That is so bad.
Again, I think beauty comes from within the soul.
And my mom is hot, and she doesn't look anything like that.
So hopefully.
So hopefully that's not what I look like.
But I will gladly eat my words.
I'll contact you if I ever look like that.
And I'll be like, dude, you're so right.
You will as well, won't you?
You definitely will.
No, I will.
I will do a reunion special.
Oh, my God.
We totally should.
And you should see if my views change.
Sounds good.
You'll probably be a base Trump supporter.
Okay, next.
What did you say, buddy?
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
You're so good.
You're making a wave face.
I've got my mouth open.
You're like mogging in there.
Yeah, but that's.
I mean, I forgot I feel that's comfortable.
You look kind of last one in vengeance.
You look hot and both.
Yeah.
That's the shit.
If I were to see the person on the right walking down the street, I'd be like, Yeah, she's a fit old woman.
Oh, she's kind of cute.
I mean, she is.
Again, but when I see my grandma, I don't think how ugly she is.
I'm like, oh, she's so cute.
That's so real.
So just a preventative.
Next.
I think you did fine.
I don't hate her.
That was not bad.
I don't know.
You look like a librarian.
That's what I feel.
You do.
Like a very approachable librarian.
I feel safe with you.
Next.
You have an aged fashion.
I look like weird.
I mean, when I was doing these, these are, I think, definitely way more accurate than how we do them previously.
I hope that's not a problem.
I feel like mine was not accurate.
These are spot on.
I feel like mine was way more intense in the last 10 years or like what?
I'm not a silver fox like that.
All right, next.
All right, there it is.
Is there any more?
Are there other batches?
Send me that because I look exactly like my father and grandfather.
Nice.
Are there other batches, or was that it?
Let me, I'm going to double-check really quick.
No other batches.
Sometimes people.
Yeah, that looks about right.
Okay, Andrew, you had some questions really quick.
Yeah, so going around the table, we'll try it from chair one over.
If you don't need too much clarification, just a reasonable amount of clarification, okay?
Would you rather be slapped by the man you love or ignored by him?
Oh, starting from this side or he said me.
Oh, check it out.
Is this in a sexual context?
Okay, so chair two.
I love that.
I love that.
Or ignored by him.
I'm not going to lie.
I was going to ask that question because I'm kind of into it.
Yeah, I'm into that.
Anyway, so, okay, so chair three: would you rather be slapped by the man you love or change the slapped because I'm a freak.
I'm just kidding.
I'm celibate.
Back to the bottom of the street.
Okay, so chair four, would you rather be slapped by the man you love or ignored by him?
Again, is this a sexual thing?
Because if it's a sexual thing, then like if it's not or it's a sexual question, God Lord.
Okay, so we'll start from the other end of the table this time so that our well-poisoning friend can't just wreck the question.
How is that wrecking the question?
That's a regardless.
So why did you infer sex from this?
How?
How did you even arrive at that inference?
Just what's information?
She was trying to make a funny funny thing.
I have my own reference.
We'll start at the other end.
We'll try a different, we'll try a different question.
If you had to be a lesbian, would you refuse to date fat women?
What the fuck?
What's going on?
Yes.
Yes, okay.
Next.
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah.
Can I ask what was the question?
Sorry.
What I refuse to do if I had to be a lesbian.
I'm skipping you.
Okay, next chair.
Yeah, you guys got to listen.
Would you answer the question?
No, I need to repeat on that one.
Okay, that's skip.
Okay.
Well, then I guess we'll just start back over with a new question if you guys can't pay attention.
Here, one sec before you do that, let me let these two come through.
Two chats.
Yeah, thank you, Chris.
The purpose of these debates is not to convince you ladies.
You are cook prostitutes with your minds made up.
Only three.
Nice.
You're taking this PT.
Proving this point.
And then, Chris, thank you for the TTS.
Appreciate it.
And we have Scott coming in here in just a second with his message.
Thank you, Scott.
Thank you, Chris.
Appreciate it.
Guys, $200 TTS.
Scott Bobble donated $200.
Love the show, but yay.
Okay.
Love the show, but yeah.
Thank you, Scott.
So I'm sorry.
No, you're good.
Go ahead.
So to center chair, right, this time, maybe you can pay attention.
Maybe the rest of you can pay attention to the questions being asked this time.
If you had to be a lesbian, you had to for some reason.
Yep.
Would you refuse to date fat chicks?
No.
No, okay.
Next.
No, there's some really hot, like, happy people.
Next?
I feel like that's a crazy generalization, but okay.
I feel like.
Wait, yes?
Okay.
You would refuse to.
Okay, next?
Yes.
Got it.
Next?
No.
No, you wouldn't.
Okay, so those of you who said that you would refuse to date fat chicks, raise your hand.
If you had to be a lesbian, go ahead.
Raise your hand real quick.
Oh, there was more of you.
There was more.
Okay, there we go.
So now you see why men feel the same way.
So next question.
Which founding father would you date?
Which founding father would you date?
Okay, starting on the other opposite side of the table, go ahead.
I don't know any.
You don't know any?
Okay, next.
I don't.
I don't know.
You don't know any?
Okay, next.
None.
If you had to pick one, which one would it be?
You don't know any founding fathers, do you?
Yeah, not a single one.
Like, you don't know a single.
Okay, next, next.
Which founding father would you date if you had to date?
She's British.
Yeah, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Next, which founding father would you date if you had date?
I guess Thomas Jefferson, although I don't really align with most of his stuff, I think that the picture is.
Slave-owning Thomas Jefferson?
No, I think I'm talking about specifically to their looks.
Obviously, like I just said, I don't align.
To their looks.
They got fucking wigs and shit.
I think that he's the most okay.
I think he's the most okay.
And I stand on that.
I don't agree with his views.
I think Washington would be considered more handsome than Jefferson.
Okay, but Washington is like, never mind.
Okay, next, next.
Abe Lincoln.
That's not a founding father.
Okay, my bad.
George Washington, because he was the first to do it.
Okay, next.
Well, people answered.
I was going to answer.
I don't know the founding fathers, to be completely real with you.
So I'll just be honest.
Yeah.
Got it.
Okay.
I got two more for you.
These are really good.
Which, okay, opposite end of the table.
Which serial killer would you date if you had to date a serial killer?
Okay.
Jeffrey Dahmer because he was gay, so he's not going to kill me.
Right?
Yeah.
Sure.
I think we accepted.
I think we accepted that.
Yeah, that's acceptable.
That's acceptable.
Next with this one.
And you can't use the same one.
Another person's used, by the way.
So the game is a little harder as we go.
But go ahead.
Oh, I'm lying wrong with it.
Yeah, I don't know.
If you had to, which one would you pick?
Bro, I gotta move it on.
Go ahead.
What about you next?
Myself.
Nice.
That's a serial killer.
Hey, what did you, how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
I didn't.
Okay, that makes sense.
That makes sense.
Over to our British friend.
Which serial killer would you date if you had to date a serial killer?
I mean, there's a few, but I would probably say Ted Bundy.
Like a dangerous.
Wait, wait, Ted Bundy.
Ted Bundy was fit.
Okay, that was hot.
Co-ed strangler.
The college co-ed strangler.
Okay.
Yeah, he was a good looking guy.
Nice to them all, though, weren't they?
And he ate people, right?
You know, okay, next.
I was going to say Jeffrey Dalmatic.
I was a prime girly, unfortunately.
My friends at home would be very disappointed in me for saying that, but I don't have one off the top of my head.
Okay, next.
Come up in my body.
I don't really know many, but I want to say Martinez Brothers.
Are they serial killers?
No, they're not serial killers.
Oh, I thought they killed people.
They killed like the serial killers.
Okay, next.
The Zodiac killer.
Ooh, that's a good one.
That's mysterious, right?
That one kind of makes some sense.
All right, next one.
That was going to be my answer.
I don't know any more serial killers than the three main ones.
Next question, Andrew.
Okay, last one.
So if you had to, date a trans man post-op or a gay man who reformed a trans man?
Wait, what?
Wait, a trans man post-op, right?
Meaning they were a woman and they had the transition to have an artificial penis installed, or a gay man who was reformed from being gay.
If you had to date one of those.
But he was gay.
By reformed, you mean like he tried it out and it wasn't for him?
No, he's gay, but he went through like therapy in order to stop being gay.
Oh, lavender marriage, 100%.
Okay.
Final answer.
The trans man.
You're safe with me, baby.
The trans man.
Okay.
Go ahead.
Trans man.
Okay.
Trans man.
Okay.
And trans man.
Okay.
Oh, do I have to answer again?
I mean, either of them, I don't, if I like the person.
If you had to choose one, which one would you choose?
Again, I just like the idea of a lavender marriage.
And, you know, I don't personally believe in like that someone can be gay and then turned not gay.
So I would give them a safe space to identify as gay and still help.
Okay, next.
I'm okay with either.
Both.
Yeah, that both.
You have to pick one.
Oh, okay.
The gay man.
Okay, next.
The gay man who reformed.
The gay man who reformed.
Next?
I really don't know.
I'm really cool with either.
If I had to pick one, I don't know that I could.
That's truth.
Okay.
So I'm going to show you guys just a very quick contrast as well, right?
These are, by the way, these are just nonsense.
They're designed to lighten up the mood and keep people guessing about your persuasions and this and that.
But watch this.
Brian, would you rather date a woman in her 40s or a woman in her 20s?
20s.
Brian, would you prefer that your women had no body hair or somebody hair?
Okay.
Wait.
Depends where it is.
Nothing on here.
Yeah, no body hair.
No body.
No body hair.
Okay, that makes sense.
Would you prefer that your women are taller than you or shorter than you?
I actually don't really have gotta pick one.
Tall or short.
Interesting.
Honestly, I don't actually have a strong.
See, now you know how I feel.
Are you dating someone taller than you?
Gotta pick.
Taller or short?
You know what, Andrew?
I'm gonna just say taller.
Taller?
Sure.
Pick the taller shit.
Really?
Yeah, just like Warrior Sons type shit.
But like, so in terms of like Warrior Sons, but in terms of like for speed, the shorter girl.
For speed, I take the shorter girl.
But for like Warrior.
But like Warrior Sons, if I have, like, if total package, I'll take the tall, the tall woman.
Some warrior shit, Andrew.
I know you want to date like a little 5'411.
Amazonian kind of thing.
Yes, a fucking Amazon woman.
Well, yeah, they're pretty fucking hot, to be fair.
Sure.
That's not an insulting thing to.
Brian, last question.
This one's all important.
Would you rather get in a fist fight with a midget or a dwarf?
What the fuck?
Aren't they the same?
No, Brian.
They're not the same.
How are they?
How do you have so little social awareness, Brian?
That you don't know the difference between a midget and a dwarf, Brian.
Well, when you say dwarf, are you talking like high fantasy, like fucking night elfs and shit?
Like a fucking dwarf?
Clarifications, I have to give you, Brian.
I take the midget then because dwarves can be like dwarfs.
If I'm thinking like high fantasy type shit, J.R.R. Tolkien or whatever.
Wait.
J.R. Tolkien?
What's his fucking name?
Tolkien.
Yeah, I'm thinking dwarves, like Lord of the Ring shit, Andrew.
Yeah, I'm going to take a midget.
Okay, death of old age or death from snooze new.
Is this for me?
Yeah.
Oh, old age.
Old age over Snooze.
Got it.
All right.
I love these bugs.
That dwarfer, that dwarf one threw me for a loop, though.
That's crazy.
But yeah, tall woman for sure.
Okay.
If I had to pick.
Got it.
Like, I like short women.
Are you dating someone that's tall?
I'm a virgin.
Oh.
Yeah.
Really?
Of course he's not.
No.
It checks out, right?
It tracks.
Wow.
He would be a virgin.
Okay.
So, okay, let me get into some of the notes here.
Let's see.
We have from our good friend Haley.
You said that.
Yeah.
And I don't know if maybe you got confused on some of these.
I know it's like kind of double negative.
So it's like, that's kind of on me.
But men are physically stronger than women.
You disagree.
Well, right.
I've very quickly answered that.
But in general, I guess men are stronger physically than women.
However, there's some women out there that are pretty hefty.
Oh, yeah, they're like in, you know, that are training.
They're like, you know, they're into like lifting and like very masculine.
Yeah.
But in general, yeah, to that question, maybe I answered that not as no, that's fine.
You know what I mean?
The question is intended more in a general sense.
Yeah, so if it was in general.
I absolutely agree that there are plenty of women out there who are stronger than should be there are women out there who are stronger than some men.
Yeah.
That's very fair to say.
There are some top percentile women that are probably like stronger than a lot of men.
But I would say.
Some guys are probably really into that as well.
I should think.
That is interesting.
You should see a therapist about that.
That's just a fact.
Yeah, sure.
There's guys into that.
So you also said that it's possible.
Oh, the statement is possible to be sexist towards men.
You disagree.
What's that, sorry?
It's possible to be sexist towards men, which you disagree.
You think it's not possible to be sexist.
I'm sorry, I didn't answer that properly.
You got mixed up.
That's it.
Yeah, sorry.
I don't think that.
Okay, sorry.
And then possibly racist toxicity.
I'm really dyslexic.
Possible to be racist towards white people.
You disagree, but maybe you got mixed up there.
I fucked that role.
That's fine.
Men are the primary victims of war.
You disagree?
Yeah, I do.
Yeah, I do disagree with that.
Yeah.
Okay, who are the primary victims of war?
I don't think it's a sex, is it?
Like, that question would sort of imply, like, if doing a comparison between women and men, who's the primary victim of war?
Of war.
Yes.
Oh, yeah, no, I guess men.
Yeah.
Okay, going to war, yeah.
Sure, maybe it was just, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So going to say Selena here, the statement is women are not oppressed in the USA.
You disagree.
You also disagree, Mitch.
Eve somehow does not.
I'm surprised by that, unless you skipped it over.
Skipped over that.
I think in general, women have come a very long way.
I think at this point, a lot of it is kind of on an even playing field.
I think if we were to talk about specific topics, that was just such a generalization that could be taken so far out of context that I didn't really feel like saying yes or no to that one.
Yeah.
Okay, so you think in some areas, women are oppressed.
Women can be discriminated against.
Yeah, absolutely.
But so I'll open it to Selena and Mitch.
Though you guys said, so women are not oppressed.
You disagree.
So you guys think women are oppressed.
How are they oppressed?
I mean, like, around the world, like, not just here, I feel like they're oppressed.
Well, it is in the USA.
Oh, it said in the US.
Yeah, is there anything in the USA, like how are women oppressed in the USA?
I think like, you know, back then they used to not be able to like get a bank account or like do any of that without being married.
And then I feel like maybe just recently.
We can, we can historically, sure, but yeah, but I think like since because that was our history, like people still have those like feelings about it, like in general, like society.
Okay, I sort of see what you're saying.
So, but is there anything currently like how are women oppressed currently?
Excuse me about that.
I don't really have like an answer, like a specific answer.
Selena?
I feel like it's just kind of in comparison maybe to like different wages and gender or like comparison or like one person is better at a job than others.
Like I know a lot of people were saying, this is just an example.
Like, oh, I feel safer when a man is a pilot than when a woman is a pilot.
Yeah.
I mean, do you think it, for example, statements about like if women were to say, I would prefer to have a female babysitter?
Do you think that that's would be the equivalent there?
Yeah, in a sense.
No, I could see like both different points.
Maybe it feels safer, I guess, isn't it?
It's about that.
Maybe it's about like what it's kind of hard to say, but I feel like maybe it's based on what gender is better.
Like, in a sense, females are seen as more like caretakers, and men are seen as like maybe more like technical, better at certain jobs than others.
So is there any like, how about this?
Is there any like right that men have that women don't?
Mitch, you indicated, or the statement is women have equal rights to men in the USA, to which you disagree.
Okay, what right does a man have that the woman doesn't?
Well, it's just not like rights, but like, you know, like the pay and like, I feel like work discrimination.
Well, there's a law against that, but I know, but it's like, it's kind of like bias still, you know, as a hiring manager.
Because of affirmative action?
Wait, sorry?
Well, there's like hiring quotas, there's certain quotas when it comes to representation on board of directors, there's affirmative action for women, there's certain scholarships that are made available just to women that aren't made available to men.
There's more scholarships for women, but I guess that's true.
As it pertains to rights, what is a right that a man has that a woman doesn't in the United States?
You know, I'm not really into politics, so I can't answer that.
It doesn't even necessarily have to do with politics.
Well, I was thinking more like in the workplace.
Okay.
Like, for example, they usually hire women for like secretaries and not really like a higher paid position.
Like, it's more like entry-level or like an office position.
Okay, so like gender wage gap.
Yeah.
Okay.
I think you indicated that you believe there is a gender wage gap.
Okay.
Well, I feel like the gender wage gap isn't a super interesting discussion, but what in your view is the gender wage gap?
Well, I'll touch on it super quickly.
How like doctors, like, I mean, there's like male doctors, but not really like male nurses.
It's usually like women nurses.
I feel like that's a wage gap.
There's a wage gap between male doctors and female doctors?
No, but like, I think more women go towards like those fields of being like a nurse and then men go more towards like a doctor.
I feel like, I don't know how the hiring process is, but I feel like that's just like a society thing where like women feel like they have to do that instead of like doing being a doctor.
Well, you know, just because I feel like the audience typically doesn't like the wage gap discussion, I'll just, I guess I'll just say this.
So the social pressure, you're talking about the social pressure that like there's perhaps like more push for men to like go into these more prestigious jobs like doctor versus nurses.
If you recall going around the table, actually, before I bring that up, do you want a guy to pay for the first date?
I think you got to be really careful, man.
Yes, do you want a guy to pay for the first date?
Dude, he asked me.
Do you ask guys out?
I could.
Oh, I don't care if you could, do you?
I never have before, but it's to say that I could.
Exactly.
Thank you.
You've never done it before.
You've never done it before.
So of all the first dates you've been on, how many first dates have you been on?
Can we focus a little bit on the um I don't date too often, but on the first dates usually the man pays change the split.
Um, so okay, how many first dates have you been on?
I don't know you guys, what are you guys doing, man?
You guys keep getting up at the table?
What's sorry, what?
I'm discussing like what we're saying tonight and stuff okay, first school details, yeah.
Uh, so how many first dates have you been on?
I have no idea 10, 20, 30, 40.
I don't know, I don't really date that much.
Um, if I bought it, dating would include like going over to the guy's house and fucking him, not like oh, we went on to dinner to Nobu.
Oh, it doesn't make a difference.
That's not, um, I just don't really date like that.
First dates, maybe 10 total.
Okay, and you didn't ask the guys out for any of them.
Okay, so all the first dates you've been on, did the guy pay for the first dates?
Okay, what about you?
Yeah, I think men should pay for the first date?
Okay, do you think men should pay for the first date?
I think if they ask you, they should pay, but I've paid one time before.
And do you ask guys out on first dates?
I guess I did that one time.
Yeah.
But all the other first dates, how many first dates have you been on?
Four.
Four.
Okay.
Four first dates.
That's it.
You've only been on four first dates.
Yes.
Okay.
And like, what about just like hangouts or whatever?
Um, maybe you don't consider that.
I don't think those are like dates.
So 75% of the dates you have been on, the guy paid for it.
Paid for it.
Okay.
Who should pay on the first date?
Who asked who out?
I think whoever initiates the date or it should go 50-50.
I think relationships are all about 50-50.
All about 50-50.
Of all the, how many first dates have you been on?
A couple.
10, safe to say.
Yeah, safe to say.
Okay.
Did you ask them out?
The ones who I asked out, I asked if they wanted me to pay or if they wanted to go 50-50.
Usually we end up just paying for like, like if we're out to coffee, they pay for their coffee, I pay for my coffee, and we're both like sat.
Have you ever paid for a guy fully?
Yes.
On the first date?
Yes.
Not like your boyfriend who you've been dating for.
Yeah.
Yeah, totally.
You asked him out.
For instance, I was interested in this guy.
We matched on Tinder.
We went on a date.
We went out and we got food together.
He was like, do you want me to pay?
And I was like, no, it's okay.
I initiated this and I paid.
Okay, of all the dates.
I'm financially comfortable.
So it's not an issue.
More often than not, has the guy paid for the date?
Usually because they insist, but I always say I will pay for whatever.
Like it's really allowed.
And you said whoever I should pay of all the first dates you've been on.
I don't usually ask.
You don't?
I don't usually ask.
So whoever I should pay.
However, any date I offer 50-50, I pay.
They pay.
Have you ever asked a guy out?
Have I?
Just that one time?
Really, just that one time, honestly.
And all the other times the guy asked you out.
Okay.
What about you?
Should men pay for the first date?
I mean, I would prefer it, but I wouldn't expect.
Can you come back to the table or?
No, I need to get as a place to stay.
Nah, you need to rejoin the panel.
Okay, well, you can figure that out.
That's you guys float.
Y'all were 30 minutes late to the show, and now you guys have been getting up, going back there, discussing stuff.
I understand you need to figure that out, but yeah, so give me a timeline.
How long is this going to take for you to do?
Because at this point, I'm just viewing this as just a failure of participation.
Wanna just sit?
Just say, it's fine, we'll handle it.
It's gonna take you 15 minutes to get this figured out.
Why don't you do it after the show?
Yeah, because you guys have been getting up and like it's been disruptive, and you're not here to answer the question.
So, okay.
What about you?
I'd say 50-50 on the first date.
So, you've never how many first dates have you been on?
Three.
Did you ask the guys out in any of those instances?
No.
They asked you out?
Yeah.
Who paid for the date?
They did.
But what?
Hold on.
You just said it should be 50-50, but why didn't you insist on paying?
They insisted.
I tried.
I tried to say like 50-50, but.
Sure, you did.
You actually insisted on 50-50?
Yeah.
I make my own money, so.
Okay.
Okay.
Who should pay on first dates?
The man.
Oh, no, I'm you?
Do you want to like scoot into the table and be present and talk into the microphone?
Hello.
I don't know.
It depends.
If you feel like paying and you have the money to, and you're not going to expect something back from me for it, then sure, pay.
Okay, how many first dates have you been on?
Can you speak into the mic?
I have been on like three, four.
I'm not sure.
Okay.
Who asked who out?
Usually I get asked out.
Okay, so for three of the four, four of the four, all of them?
All of them.
All of them.
Okay.
And then of those four first dates that you've been on, who paid for them?
You or the guy?
Sometimes me.
Or one time me.
And then three times the guy.
Those of you who have a preference for men paying for the first date, let's say you were on a first date with the guy and the waiter comes.
It's the end of the dinner, whatever.
And the guy says, two checks, please.
Is there going to be a second date?
Depends on how it went.
I would prefer not to pay for it, but it depends on how the date went itself.
Let's say it was like okay.
Then no, probably not.
Huh?
I said no, probably not.
There wouldn't be a second date.
Correct.
Okay.
Nope.
There would not be.
It's not even just about the money.
It's like I'm looking for someone that can like, I'm not just saying support, but be there in like a traditional way.
So I just feel like wait, traditional.
Okay, we'll get into that in just a moment.
But so no, there would not be a second date if the guy wanted to go 50-50.
Nope.
I see.
Okay.
What about you?
If he asked me out and he did that, I'm going to say no because I feel like he didn't like me then.
Okay.
What about you?
Did we discuss payment?
So I'll say this.
He asked you out, but there wasn't like a discussion of like, I'm going to pay, you're going to pay.
He just like, the waiter comes and he's just like, oh, two, two separate checks, please.
I think that that's fine as long as I enjoyed.
I think that that's fine as long as I enjoyed the date.
Okay.
Yeah, I'd consider it if the date went well.
But it would be slightly a detriment.
Again, if the date went well, I'd definitely consider it.
Yeah.
Well, he said the date was like not that not super shit.
That's what you said.
No, I think I said it was like average above average.
It wasn't like mindset.
Above average, yeah.
I was like, oh my god, this guy is the man of my dreams.
But it wasn't like, oh, he was like a nice guy.
He's attractive.
But like, you're not like, oh my, you know, freaking out about how amazing he is.
I think I would, yeah.
Okay.
What about you?
Clearly.
So you want to, you need me to repeat the question?
Sure.
Cool.
So the guy says two checks.
Would there be a second date?
And he asked you out.
Depends.
I know it depends.
You want to just answer the question?
Yeah.
Yeah, I would.
There'd be a second date.
Okay, that's fine, Des.
Would there be a second date?
The guy asks you out, and he says, two checks, please, to the waiter, meaning you have to pay.
Okay.
So there's a bit of mixed responses here.
Some of you said, no, absolutely not.
There wouldn't be a second date.
Some of you said, yes, wouldn't be a major issue.
Maybe slightly.
You'd prefer the guy to pay, but you'd still go on a date with him.
So as it relates to the gender wage gap, and there's actually, look, it's been debunked by economists, by female economists, even totally debunked.
But couldn't we explain it away completely?
So in a couple different dimensions, the gender wage gap itself, but then also men's higher propensity to occupy these positions of power.
Women are attracted to men who have status, men who have success.
So couldn't it be women's own dating preferences that actually creates the very system that you're trying to fight against?
We have multiple women here who said, if the guy doesn't pay for the first date, that's it.
He's not getting laid.
He's not getting sex.
He's not getting a relationship.
It's a dead end for those men.
The same does not apply to women.
No men can dictate to women.
If you don't pay for me, I'm not fucking you.
Said no man ever.
That's not how it works.
Now, maybe there's some like one crazy example.
Some dude who's like, what the fuck?
You asked me out and you're not paying.
Okay, I'm not going to fuck you.
You're not getting dick.
Maybe that happens.
The reality is women's own preference and women's own mating and social pressure that all of you, maybe not, well, not when I say all of you, all of women collectively enforce upon men, the gender wage gap would be explained.
The fact that there's more men who are CEOs, the fact that there's more men who occupy positions of that pay better or that are of higher status, because your status as women doesn't matter.
You'll still be able to date men and your status is irrelevant.
In fact, your status and your money can in some ways be a detriment because, well, I'm not going to get into that, but it can be a detriment or it can just be neutral.
But no guys are like, oh, wow, she's got a lot of status.
I'm more attracted to her.
It's not the case.
Men don't prioritize your finances.
They don't prioritize your money.
They don't prioritize your status.
And the reality is, one of the reasons we don't do that is because you guys are not sharing your resources with men the same way men share our resources with y'all.
Like men, we'll take you on dates.
We'll buy you stuff.
You guys don't really operate that way when it comes to men.
Like a woman who's making a lot of money, I'm not thinking like, oh, great.
Okay, she's going to just like simp and pay for dates and like financially support me.
No.
Actually, I have.
Look, I get it that there is like sugar mamas out there.
It happened, but I'm talking in generalities here.
So while, yeah, it does happen that there are sugar mamas out here.
I mean, you can even look at all the panelists' responses here.
They're like, no, if the man doesn't pay, there's not going to be a second date.
So it's just like you guys enforce this upon men.
Men are just simply more motivated to make money and be successful than y'all are because it's not going to prevent you guys from getting a boyfriend, from getting sex, from getting a relationship as it pertains to your money and success and status.
But it impacts men's ability to do that substantially.
And so that would be explained away entirely the gender wage gap.
And men, there's more male CEOs because y'all motivate us and reward those types of men.
It's a social pressure and mating pressure that women put on men.
It's not like some patriarchal, societal, like sexism.
Oh, we're going to keep women down and not pay them as much.
No, men are highly, highly motivated by date.
Like, I mean, both men and women are motivated by getting a girlfriend, getting married, having kids.
This is probably for most people their primary motivation in life.
I want to have kids.
I want to find a great partner.
What's going to increase your chances as a man of getting sex, getting a girlfriend, getting a wife, and having kids, being rich and successful.
It's not the same for women.
So, yeah.
Gender wage gap.
I do see that.
I think all of us would maybe agree.
I mean, I agree.
Yeah, yeah.
I feel like men definitely have a lot of pressure to women.
It's like, cool.
Like, no.
Yeah.
I see your point.
But who are the ones that voted against the what was it?
Equality?
I'm not super sure what you're talking about, but like where this stemmed from.
Because you're trying to make a point, but I think we all agree with that.
Yeah, she's saying that there's like this gender wage gap.
And what I think a lot of feminists and what she and perhaps other women at the table would say is that the gender wage gap is due to some like societal sexism against women that's either patriarchal or something like this.
And it's like, well, actually, could it be the case that the gender wage gap is explained away simply by women's own massive, like I can't explain this more to a greater degree.
The massive social and mating pressure that women unilaterally direct towards men when it comes to finances, that would be sufficient enough explanation for why a wage gap exists.
Because again, it's not redirected at women.
Like y'all can get dick, y'all can get a boyfriend, y'all can get married, y'all can have kids, and your money really isn't that important.
Like if you're an attractive woman and you're broke or you work at Chick-fil-A, a guy's gonna pick you.
But if you're a dude and you're broke, a lot, I'm not saying all women, but there's enough women in the dating marketplace that have this position that it's like as we went around the table, some women were like, yeah, if the guy wants to go 50-50, I don't really care.
But if like say 50%, I think 50% of the women at the table were like, oh yeah, it's going to be a deal breaker if he doesn't pay for the first date.
That in and of itself, even though it's not all women, it's enough women that it's going to create this massive social and mating pressure on men to be like, okay, I'm going to be like super successful.
So I'm more attracted to women.
I'm going to make a lot of money.
So I'm more attracted to women.
This pressure is unilateral.
It only goes from women to men.
It doesn't go in the reverse.
So this would explain like one of the reasons why there's a wage gap, but there's other factors that would entirely explain why, too.
So, anyways, whatever.
I have a chat coming through here from the great Scott.
Sorry for the delay on this, man.
I apologize.
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Des.
You said you dated a guy in high school.
We went to home coming together and with his friend, he ended up leaving me to go with another girl.
Oh, never mind.
Whatever.
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I wrote something down in my notes.
Then Andrew, I'll have you go.
You mentioned you're traditional.
You prefer traditional dynamics?
Yes.
Okay, how do you reconcile that with being a sex worker?
I mean, I mean, like, I don't know.
That's kind of a hard thing to like kind of correlate.
But just because I have a specific job, I wouldn't say that means I have to be, have a certain perspective or like be like more like left-leaning or anything.
Well, I guess what I'm getting at is, so you said that you prefer traditional gender roles, gender dynamics.
Do you consider yourself conservative?
Yes.
I could be conservative and still do content.
What are you conserving exactly?
I mean, like, in terms of like political views, I would say I'm more conservative.
I understand that.
Yeah, so I agree that you could be like Republican and be a sex worker.
I don't know if you can be conservative or traditional because like I get that you can like cook for your boyfriend and be submissive and do laundry and stuff.
But like I think kind of higher up on the like traditional scale would be not a sex worker, not having like photos and videos of you online, getting fucked by another man.
I mean, I would say like at the, if I'm with somebody, I'm only with that person.
So I wouldn't be.
Sure, you can be a sex worker and be monogamous.
I don't know if that makes you traditional.
No, I don't know.
You can't be a sex worker and be monogamous.
I mean, and unless monogamy means something different than I think.
You gotta hide the if Andrew's talking, you gotta hide it.
I mean, monogamy would be with one person.
So if you're a sex worker, you can only work with one person.
You don't even have to work with anybody.
Yeah, but let's say you break up with your current guy.
You now have videos and photos of you out there of you having sex with another man that's on the internet.
Yeah, I don't think most traditional men, like, and I don't think it would make you traditional to have that out there.
Yeah, no, I understand that sense, but I don't know.
Okay, but so how do you reconcile it?
I mean, it just depends.
I feel like everybody has like a different perspective on things, and I understand how it's not traditional.
Like, my family definitely does not think it's traditional as well.
And I get that.
But I mean, I still want like a traditional lifestyle eventually.
I'm not saying like right now.
Do you deserve it?
I believe everybody deserves something.
Yeah, I think so.
I wouldn't say I don't deserve it just because I do that.
Do you think a non-traditional guy, whatever your view of that would be, do you think he deserves a non-traditional woman?
If that's what he wants.
Does he deserve it, though?
Maybe.
I don't know.
I'm kind of confused.
Can you like reframe that?
Well, it's like, so this idea of chivalry.
So basically, you're saying, well, I want a guy to be chivalrous.
I want a gentleman.
I want a guy to pay for first dates.
Do you want a guy to open the car door for you?
Yes.
You want a guy to like, I'm trying to be a protector?
Yeah.
You want a guy to be a leader?
Yes.
Okay.
I'm trying to think, what are some of the other like chivalrous things that are kind of minor that I don't know, pull your chair out at the restaurant, but that's kind of like whatever.
You want a guy to pay for the first dates?
You want to, would you, for the rest of the relationship, would you want him to continue like paying for dates and whatnot?
I mean, I wouldn't say every time, but for the most part.
For the most part, but for the first dates.
Open the car door, be a gentleman, chivalrous.
What about walking on the street?
Do you want him to walk closer to the street where the cars are?
Yeah, of course.
I feel like it's just like a gentleman thing to do.
Yeah.
And so, like, what would you say is the bare minimum when it comes to being traditional as a man?
Bare minimum as in like their actions.
Yeah, like pay for is paying for the first date a bare minimum.
Yeah, I would say so.
Opening the car door, a bare minimum.
Yeah, just in the way.
It's not like they have to do that every time, but maybe not every time, but that would you would expect that when it comes to chivalry.
Ignore that.
I'm sorry, can you say that one more time?
Yeah.
You would expect that.
Fair to say?
Yeah, I feel like that's just in a role they have.
So the bare minimum in terms of being a traditional woman would not be a sex worker.
Yeah.
Okay.
So you're a sex worker.
I mean, but nowadays, I feel, I'm not just saying like in the present, but I feel like a lot of people do different jobs and you just kind of have to be accepting.
And if I'm with someone and they accept, I'm not saying everyone has to be understanding, but if I'm with someone, I'm with someone and we can communicate that.
And if they don't accept my past, then I totally understand.
I'm not going to hate someone because they're like, oh, I don't like your past.
I don't want to be with you.
I get it.
I'm not going to change you or your perspective.
But I don't think that someone should see me as less or not being able to be with some.
Like, I feel like I want a family eventually and I should be able to get that.
And it shouldn't be like, oh, because she did this in the past.
She doesn't deserve that.
I feel like everyone deserves something.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not making a claim about like having children or even finding a boyfriend, but it seems like the type of guy that you want, you're like, okay, well, he has to meet these traditional gender roles of paying for the first date, chivalry, being a protector, being a provider, all these like chivalrous gestures.
But it's like you're not even bringing the what would be the bare minimum of being a traditional woman, which is like, don't be a sex worker.
Is that like written?
Like a traditional woman wouldn't do that?
Yes.
It's written in a book.
You might have heard of it.
It's called the Bible.
Are you Christian?
Orthodox Christian?
Holy.
Okay, Andrew, this one's yours.
Go ahead.
But I'm not like practicing.
That's just my family.
You were just baptized Eastern Orthodox?
I was baptized, yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
So which church?
Where I was baptized in Bulgaria.
Was it a Greek?
Yeah, was it a Greek Orthodox church, Romanian, like what type?
Bulgarian.
Bulgarian Orthodox.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
I understand.
So you were just baptized into it, but you're not a practicing Orthodox Christian.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, that's pretty common when infants get baptized and then, you know, sometimes we go off and be serial killers or whatever, right?
Doesn't mean that they've actually practiced the faith.
So I did grow up in America, so I kind of like, and I'm not saying that doesn't mean you can't practice it, but I feel like a lot of like the ideologies we had from like Bulgaria just kind of was like flushed away when I was like growing up.
Yeah, I mean, if you're into sex work, likely, because that's a pretty traditional nation, right?
Pretty traditional when it comes to gender roles and sex work and all of that.
They tend to frown on it, don't they?
Yeah, they do.
Yeah, they do.
So, what do you pay?
Like, what are your parents?
They're practicing Orthodox Christians.
I mean, they don't.
Yeah.
I mean, they must be losing their mind about it.
Just a little bit.
Not going to lie.
A little bit.
Like, your dad must just be going, like, I feel, I feel terrible for you, but it's got to be hurting his heart pretty bad if he's a practicing Orthodox Christian that you're doing that.
I wouldn't say he's like practicing.
That's just like, you know, we were just, they were just born in Bulgaria and then that was just kind of on them.
But I don't think I've like never seen my parents like go to church or something like religiously.
Do they make the sign of the cross?
What?
They make the sign of the cross?
No.
Then it's that don't practice.
They don't, so they don't practice either.
Yeah, but they grew up in that traditional culture, though.
They probably still hate this shit, right?
Very conservative people.
Yeah, I would say so.
Yeah.
So like, why don't you just quit then?
You know, like, you don't have to keep doing it.
You just like walk away.
No, I'm looking.
I'm not doing it like in a sense because I love it, but I do have an exit plan.
It's kind of like a get in, get out.
And like, I know what I want to do.
Yeah, but I mean, that's everybody's story.
That's every professional athlete's story.
That's every like there.
So there's only X amount of women who are on OF who make any significant amount of money ever, right?
Most of them don't.
And even if you're in that upper echelon of female creators who do, right?
It's timed, you know what I mean?
Like I'm a political commentator.
I can commentate on politics for the rest of my life.
I don't age out of that, right?
In fact, I age into it.
The older I get, the better I get at it.
But for OF and for sex work, things like that, there's a shelf life.
Just like, you know, being a boxer.
By the time you're, you know, you're 30, 34, 35, you're basically done, right?
Yeah.
So it's like, it's a terrible money strategy, ultimately.
And the reputational damage done is so brutal.
I just, I don't, I never understand the calculation that goes on in women's brains.
It's like one of the most popular categories.
Like, if you're old and you're hot, then it's fine, right?
Oh, my God.
You could do it until the day you died.
Well, the older you get, the lower that there's always going to be some date straightening your microphone like straight.
There's always going to be this.
There's always going to be fans that like older women and they could be big spenders.
I can't dispute it.
I'm not disputing this.
I'm just saying that the older you get.
In general, I see your point.
Yeah.
So, anyway, yeah, the lower the threshold of your success becomes.
So, it really is a windowed thing.
It's like it's really high risk, mostly very low reward.
And ultimately, you're going to age out of it.
And you guys, like, do you guys know the idea of easy money, easy, easy come in, easy go out?
Meaning, if you make a bunch of money quick and it's very low effort, you usually spend a bunch of money quick with very low effort, right?
That's uh, that's how it usually works.
So, it just doesn't understand the reputational damage versus the amount of money that you make.
That seems like a terrible trade, right?
Nice cheers for that.
I think she's hot.
Yeah.
Okay.
His parents hate him.
Right.
Um, damn shame to say, I guess to you, I guess to you, really quick, it's I guess it's so many women have just completely forsaken, abandoned, cast aside any and all of their traditional gender roles, yet with the utmost entitlement, still expect men to adhere to their or our traditional gender roles.
So, it's like, okay, I want to be promiscuous.
I want to dress revealing.
I want to do sex work.
I want to be like super progressive and liberal and all this sort of stuff, but men still pay for me.
Men still protect me.
It's kind of like that seems like a raw deal to the men.
And look, a lot of men are pressed for pussy.
They're gonna, you know, they're they're gonna accept it.
I'm I'm sure you don't have any problem going on dates with dudes and they're gonna pay for it and they know you're a sex worker.
That's not really what I'm talking about.
I'm just more looking at it from the paragon, the lens of is it actually a fair proposition that men need to remain with their traditional gender roles, but women just get to cast aside all their hairs?
I think no.
Maybe you think yes.
In any case, I think it's a raw deal for men.
Like, oh, men, you need to be providers and protectors and be willing, like stand on the inside of the road so that if a car comes barreling down, you can push the woman out of the way so that you die and she gets to survive on a first date.
I mean, that's the basis, that's the premise of the whole walking on the inside of the road.
But it's like, oh, as, but then, as the woman, you're a sex worker and you're promiscuous.
And I'm not saying this is the case for you, but promiscuous or whatever it is.
It's like, where are the do you think it's fair if like men have to uphold here and women can just be down here when it comes to traditional gender roles?
I don't think that's fair.
Now, if you guys want to say, okay, we're progressive, the guys can be progressive.
That makes sense to me at least.
I'm a progressive woman who's done away with my traditional gender roles.
You don't need to protect me.
You don't need to provide.
We'll go 50-50.
I can at least respect that over these women who are like, well, I'm a sex worker and I'm dating all these dudes and I dress revealing and I'm super progressive and liberal, but you still have to be like this traditional man and be a protector and provider.
I think that's ludicrous.
Do you want to respond or for me?
It's like a reason why I am doing this is so I don't really have to.
I mean, I know there's other jobs, but I don't really have to like rely on just a man.
So we can go 50-50.
I'm just saying about like a want in what you said.
Okay, it just seems like a hard sale.
Like, oh, okay.
You as a man, you have to.
What are you talking about?
You do rely on men.
You make content with them.
Like, you literally rely on men to make your money.
Like, you do, there's nobody.
There's literally nobody more reliant on men for their income than sex workers.
What do you think?
That's always been the most absurd argument.
It's like, I don't want to have to depend on men for income.
It's like 100% of your income is dependent upon men.
Like 100% of it.
I'm sure two lesbians subscribe.
B and they are awesome.
Love for the show.
And you both keep it up.
You deal with all of these strumpet side.
Do you have your seven sons, but I am trans.
Wait, what?
Wait, what?
Wait.
Strumpets.
Seven sons.
Oh, wait.
Okay.
Andrew, I'll have you go in just a sec, but two things we got to do.
Somebody here has who's Instagram?
Angel's trumpet.
Is that you?
That's you?
I just thought that.
I feel like you should be aware.
So it's angel's trumpet, but it could be taken as angel strumpet, which basically means whore.
So just might want to look into that.
My placenta when I was born because I was like, my mom had me at 42 in the middle of the woods.
And my dad buried my placenta under an angel's trumpet, which is actually a psychedelic but deadly flower.
So I think it's really cool.
But yeah.
What?
I love my wife.
You heard the woman.
I'm liking it.
It's true.
I've seen the angel's trumpet.
I was just pointing out, like, somebody could read it because it's just one word, your username.
I know it's angel's trumpet, but it could be interpreted as angel's trumpet.
If someone called me a trumpet, I'd laugh in their face and tell them to get A more original and B more accurate.
How is wait, Strumpet is super original?
Why would that be unoriginal?
I don't know, whatever.
Here, we have a let me have you.
You gotta get like specific with race.
That's too generalized, I guess.
Can we pull up the React?
I could think that's a beautiful word.
I love crumpets.
I was gonna say crumpet.
So we have a TikTok here from Mitch that I wanted to react to.
All right, go ahead and wait, wait, wait, pause, pause, pause, pause.
Video tab and start it from beginning.
Okay, guys, I have a theory.
If you're the most attractive girl in a male-dominated workplace, you will get treated like a queen.
But if you're the most attractive girl in a women-dominated workplace, they will treat you like shit.
They will bully you.
Ugly privilege is such a thing there.
And if you don't think this is true, I hate to break it to you, but you're not the most attractive girl in the workplace.
I was talking about my work.
Well, so I noticed your hair was blue there, and you had a smaller one.
On your TikTok, I know you said that you've never dated, you've been single for all 28 years of your life, never dated anybody.
You'd rather just forget about that eight-month guy.
But you got a lot of TikToks that's like, I'm dying my hair blue now.
Was this after the breakup?
Maybe like during or after.
During or okay.
Yeah, I don't.
It was a while ago.
But wouldn't you just keep your hair just as is so that?
Honestly, it's because when I was platinum blonde, like my hair is only now.
I mean, like back then, you were doing all these TikToks.
Like, I'm not sure.
I mean, it's just like content so that he doesn't.
Wait, I think you said you dyed your hair blue so that he can't remember you as you because I'm a different person, but it was just content.
Oh, okay.
All right.
I won't dig into that.
Because I used to be potentially my hair fell off.
I've heard that trend.
Yeah.
Chair six born in the woods.
Definitely knows a good possum recipe.
What the fuck?
You make a competition.
That's crazy.
When your mom gave birth to you, was she on the angel trumpet?
Angel trumpet.
She was on a bed in the living room.
I think he means like the psychedelic, but no, if you take angels trumpet, you're likely to die.
Yeah.
Weren't you born in the middle of a forest?
Her house is in the middle of a forest.
Oh.
Epic, to be honest.
Yeah.
Oh, we have a message here from Rachel.
Here, can you read this one?
It's for you.
So into the mic?
Chair two traded the most valuable.
You're cruel for making me read this.
Traded most valuable things on earth for the most expendable and damaging.
You could have had life in Christ and depended on one man who would love and provide for you.
You traded that for death and simp cash.
Death.
I'm still alive.
I beg you repent and be safe.
That's Andrew's wife, by the way.
Leave that.
Leave that there just because I need to pull that up.
She has a nice profile pic.
Thank you.
Thank you, Rachel, for that.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Andrew, you had a couple of questions here.
Yeah, so again, kind of lighten the mood a bit.
But I do want some answers to these.
So we'll start in reverse order again, and then I have some specific questions for each chair.
We'll go pretty quick.
So if you have to pick one, cook or clean.
Clean.
Clean.
Next?
Clean.
Clean.
Is that like what women are for?
No, that's like, if you had to pick one, I'm just asking what you'd rather do.
Did I say that this is a woman's role?
Did I say women are forced to do this?
Okay, okay, okay, I get it.
Cooking.
Next.
Okay, thank you.
Now hang on.
Hang on.
Before we move on, because you said cooking, right?
Gas stove or electric?
Oh, that's a good one.
Okay, we'll move to the next one.
Cook or clean?
Cook.
Okay, gas stove or electric?
Gas.
Gas, okay.
Next?
Probably clean, but I like to cook too, so it really depends.
Okay, we have to pick one.
That's the entailment.
If you had to pick one.
Honestly, I'm going to go back.
I'd say cook.
Cook.
Gas, gas or electric stove.
See, it's like, do I want probably electric because like environmental stuff?
Electric.
Okay.
Next.
Cooking.
Cooking on a gas stove.
Gas stove.
Next.
Cleaning because I have a disorder.
I'll see you.
Okay.
Cleaning.
Next.
Cleaning.
Okay.
Got it.
For those of you who chose electric, you know where you're good cooks.
Okay.
Date.
A hunter who enjoys the killing or date a vegan.
What?
A vegan?
Okay, next.
Yeah, I don't know.
You got to speak up and you got to speak into the mic and just answer the question.
I'd probably say vegan.
Vegan.
Next?
Vegan.
Got it.
Next.
Definitely a vegan.
Definitely a vegan.
Okay.
Vegan all the way.
Vegan.
Okay, next.
Vegan, because I was vegan too.
Okay, next.
Who's vegetarian?
The man who likes meat.
Okay, next.
Is it hunting for food?
Because if so, then yes.
Meat.
Okay, even though I literally said hunter who enjoys the killing, the process of killing the animal.
But, you know, I don't expect you at this point to pay any attention to any questions that are actually asked.
So, real quick, chair six.
Okay, how many times do you fold a towel?
Chair six.
How many times?
Towel?
Towel.
How many times do you fold a towel?
No, no, chair six.
So this goes right to left.
So from my right, chair one would be over on the far side.
So you just count six over.
Okay, so honestly, I am a bit of a crumpler.
Can you just scoot into the table and speak into the mic, please?
I am a bit of a crumpler.
How many times should you fold a towel?
How many times should I fold a towel?
How many times should a person fold a towel?
Yeah.
Is it to hang?
Oh, I want it to like store.
Yeah, is it to hang or store?
Well, yeah, it's to store it.
That's the entailment of folding instead of hanging, right?
Then I fold my.
Yeah, I fold to hang unless I'm not feeling like it or the towel is wet.
So how many times do you fold a towel?
Four.
Four folds?
Like chair.
Okay, chair three.
Two.
Two.
Two folds.
Two times?
Yeah.
Man, you guys are going to be excellent domestic housewives.
Okay, chair three.
Yes.
In a five-drawer dresser, which dresser drawer would your man's socks go in?
I put mine at the top.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think, like, I understand why Brian gets so frustrated.
Right.
So I'll repeat the question.
And then I want you to think about what you just answered.
Like the first drawer, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
So, chair three, in a five-drawer dresser, which dresser drawer do your man's socks go in?
And you responded with, I used the first drawer.
I'm not asking what drawer you use.
I'm asking what drawer your man's socks would go in.
I don't have a man, but I would put it in the first one.
Okay, thank you.
Holy shit.
Chair five, the proper setting for a clothes iron on a starch shirt.
Oh, shit.
I'm actually a yacht shooter as well, and I don't know the answer to that question, which is highly embarrassing.
I would say the third setting.
British irons different.
Switches, switch it.
What's the third setting?
On an iron?
Yeah.
Steam.
You steam the starch shirt?
Oh, fuck no.
He don't know.
Okay.
To be fair, though, I was never in laundry on the boat, so it always put me on service.
So, yeah.
I don't know.
Gotcha.
Totally iron.
Okay.
Chair two.
Chair two.
How do you tie a necktie?
You have to put it through like the things up there.
And then you do like some folding until it gets that shape.
And then you take the bottom of it and then you flip it and pull it all the way down.
Okay.
Chair one.
Is it ever okay for men to eat a steak that is not rare?
Is it ever okay for him?
Yes.
So you would cook a man of steak that wasn't rare?
All right, last question.
Well, I'm sorry, real quick.
This one's for chair seven.
I had a really easy one for chair seven.
Is Bigfoot real?
No.
Okay, I thought you might be able to answer that one.
Chair eight, if you spent a bunch of time preparing a meal where the presentation of the meal was perfect and your man mashed it all together and ate it, would that bother you?
No.
Okay.
Totally reasonable answer, by the way.
Best answer I've heard all night.
And then last one for chair six.
This one's chair six.
If a man cried when Bambi died, is he disqualified from dating you?
Definitely not.
That is a green flag, in my opinion.
All right.
All right.
That's it for my questions, right?
Just some just some basic, basic house questions.
We learned how to tie ties and what setting irons go on and how many times to fold a towel.
He's just like, she's not a good wife.
We don't need to know.
I guess.
She's my wife, so.
All right, guys, we're going to lower, we're going to do a roast session.
So the TTS has been lowered to 30.
Well, $29.99.
Give me just one sec to get that all sorted, but we are now in the roast session of the show.
So that's going to be here.
I'll just do this.
We're going to do that.
Wait, no.
So yeah.
By the way, I just wanted to point out Bambi never died.
That was a trick question.
I just, you know, but you can hide.
It was the mom, that's right.
It was the mom.
It was the mom.
One question.
Do you guys think going around the table, starting with you, Alex?
Do you think men are insecure if they care about a woman's body count?
No.
Okay.
Going around the table?
Oh, that's unique.
Usually we get at least one person who says, oh, yeah, men who care about body count.
Wait, hold on, Selena.
Due to health concerns, it like it makes sense, you know.
Selena, you did circle for, you think men are insecure for caring about body count.
Oh, no.
You don't think so?
No, I don't think so.
I see.
Okay.
Well, I guess going around the table, what's your body count starting with you?
I'm not going to answer that question.
Same.
It's a private.
Five.
Five.
Hey, credit to you.
I was a bit, you know, it's been a little rough on you here.
Credit to you for actually answering the question.
I mean, I don't sex with you.
How many people?
Oh, if you want to judge me on that, then that's like, that's fine.
I don't know how many people do you have to do?
No, I'm the same for the live.
I know roasts are coming up, so I'm just preparing them.
Okay.
Body count?
I've lost count.
Range.
Do you want to do range?
Probably in hundreds.
Hundreds?
Okay.
Yeah.
With a DS?
Hundreds.
With a what?
Hundreds.
Hundreds.
Okay.
Yeah.
Hundreds.
Hundreds.
Yeah, like 500 or less than five?
No, less than five.
Like 10.
300.
I would say if we could 300?
Okay.
What the hell was that?
Have you seen the movie?
Have you seen the movie 300?
Doesn't he like kick that person down saying that?
That's the movie 300.
Okay, that was pretty.
Body count?
Somewhere around 15.
Sorry, 15 or 15?
15.
15, okay.
Two.
Two.
Okay.
I look like a little bit.
I feel it slow now, don't I?
Do you want to do range?
Since all these other girls answered, you want to do a range?
Um, no, but it's not a lot.
So, like, more than 20?
No, okay, more than 10, maybe it's a double-digit.
Okay, Selena, range, you want to do range?
No, I'm not sure.
I don't keep like you don't keep track?
Okay, so then you sure you want to leave it that open-ended?
No, I mean, not that much, but I don't have like an exact pinpoint number.
Yeah, but I mean, usually, like, for example, if you slept with like three people, you'd be like, oh, yeah, it's three.
Like, you would know pretty definitively.
But, like, once you get above 20, that's typically when you start forgetting.
I forgot.
Like, think about it this way.
Let's say, think about how this would sound to a guy.
If a guy asked you this question, he was like, How many guys have you slept with?
And you're like, I lost, I, you know, I lost count, or I don't count.
I don't remember.
That would sound really bad to the guy, right?
You're like, I don't remember.
I wouldn't care if a guy said that personally, but I mean, I've had guys say that too.
Yeah, I mean, but you've like broken all barriers of threshold when it comes to that.
So we get, like, I can understand if you've slept with hundreds of men, that you could lose count of the accuracy.
Like, yeah, like that.
Yeah.
But it's way harder, I think, to lose count when it's like seven.
Yeah, I agree with that.
I know.
Yeah.
It's a lot more.
Yeah.
You could go back and be like, okay, there was, you know, for you, you could be like, well, there was Jack and John and that dude in Cancun and that guy behind the dumpster of the 7-Eleven.
Like, you could.
Whereas she probably has four Jeffs, right?
It's like four Jeffs.
I don't even have one Jeff.
So that's like, I could see.
I can understand why that would be harder.
Do you have?
Oh, you can leave it open.
Oh, it's fine.
It's fine.
Do you want to do range?
Give us a range.
I would say like 20s to 30s.
Okay, that's fine.
Yeah.
What about you?
Between 15 and 25.
15 to 25.
Okay.
All right.
I'm going to let a couple of the chats come through.
Guys, $30 TTS if you want to do a roast.
Let's see here.
Coastal operator donated $30.
Chair 1.
Your high beams be non-normal show.
Might want to call AAA chair 4.
Be honest, those aren't real glasses.
You wear them to protect your eyes from men's joyful.
Men's joyful.
What's going on?
Oh, men's.
Oh.
Streamlabs changed it.
Men's stuff.
It's kind of started.
Chore XD donated $30.
So Chair 4 understands.
We don't actually care about convincing you of the trans arguments.
Andrew is just demonstrating to someone who might be watching how remarkably illogical your position is.
Coastal operator donated $30.
Thank you.
Chair 6.
You have to include cousins when answering the body count question.
It's true.
You do.
Your face looks like it's in danger around pointy objects.
You're calling me fat.
I don't think that's what he's trying to say.
What is that?
Can you?
Just curious, what kind of work have you had done?
I have lip filler, but it's migrated.
I know.
It's migrated?
Okay.
Anything like Botox?
Can I just say one thing?
These are totally real glasses, and I'm very blind.
It's very true.
I can't.
I brought them because I knew I needed to drive at night.
And while I have like okay day vision, my night vision is terrible.
I could pull out my.
Oh my god, who the hell cares?
Botox?
Yeah, I have Botox and 11s.
What's 11?
Like the space between my eyebrows.
Anywhere else?
Cheeks?
Chin?
Chin implant?
Nope.
Nothing?
No.
Just the Botox here and the lip filler.
Yes.
Okay.
Cool.
Rachel Wilson donated $30.
As a woman, I feel contempt and embarrassment that I would be lumped into the same category as these women.
The lack of critical thinking skills is shocking.
I don't know how they function.
Easily involved.
Oh, wow.
She is loving.
Successfully, even.
I'll let you know and I give a shit.
Oh, I don't know.
She that's your wife, right?
That's a supportive.
That is Rachel Wilson.
I love that for you.
I honestly genuinely like that for you guys.
That's very supportive.
I'm probably on one of our only fans, but yeah.
Okay.
Question for the panel here, and then I'll let the rest of the roast come in.
What do you girls think about?
I can assure you, I'm not on any of your OnlyFans.
And if I was on any of your OnlyFans, I would pick way hotter chicks than you fucking people.
So I don't know what you're talking about.
Like, if I was going to pick prostitutes to watch all day, I'd pick way hotter prostitutes.
Can you name one?
I'm just saying.
Can we shout one out?
He's fucking though, isn't he?
You've got to give him that.
You got to give him that, mate.
You've got to give him that.
He's a funny guy.
He's a funny guy.
He's a funny fucking guy.
He's my Caucasian.
He's my Caucasian.
Yeah.
So what do you girls think about adult men who play video games?
I don't mind it.
Don't mind it?
Okay.
It's fine.
It's a hobby.
Okay.
I fuck with it.
You F with it?
Okay.
You can totally have hobbies.
I've taken myself.
It's fine.
Oh, yeah.
Player game.
Totally fine.
I don't care.
Can I ask a question?
How many hours are they like spending on the game?
Because I feel like that aligns with my productivity thing that I was talking about originally.
It's unattractive if the person is like rotting in their room playing games like Cheeto dust, like you were saying.
Yes.
I'm spending whole entire days playing video games.
Yeah.
It's really easy.
So, you know, World of Warcraft, so he's playing World of Warcraft and he's like, this isn't some like casual like five, six hours a day.
This is like 10, 12 hours a day.
He's got multiple level 60s.
He's playing Season of Discovery.
He's playing Classic.
He's playing hardcore.
He's got characters on Alliance and the Horde.
He's got multiple level 60s.
He's in a hardcore rating guild, right?
And also they're like just they're totally monopolizing the world bosses.
Lower the volume just a tat.
And so yeah, he's playing and he's also PvP ranking.
Like honor system ranking.
Okay.
So he's like, he's going for like high world.
Is he getting paid to play the game?
No, this is passion.
This is passion.
Pure passion.
Pure passion.
He's not Twitch streaming.
He's not doing any of that shit.
No, he's just passionate.
Does he have a job?
Or like goals or aspirations?
Is he successful?
No, he's living with his mom.
He's living with his mom.
Yes, he's like, drinking fucking seven up and you fucking know.
This is a much more defined discussion than Cheetos.
Cheeto does.
I want to motivate someone.
Yeah, he's going to motivate you to start playing World of Warcraft.
You guys are going to play together.
He's going to be a tank.
You're going to be a healer.
He needs a healer.
And it's going to be really easy for y'all to get groups because tank, healer, you just fill that shit with some DPS.
Throw a rogue, throw a mage, throw Warlock.
You're good to go.
DPS, very easy to fill.
And you guys are going to be playing together.
It's going to be some old school LAN shit.
You know, LAN parties, that's what you're going to be doing.
Some fucking LAN parties with your boyfriend.
Friday night, club, bar.
Fuck that shit.
You're going to be in fucking Azeroth fucking up some dungeons and shit.
Doing some fucking raids.
Molting core, Black Moon Lair, Max Ramus.
Easy.
You got that shit on locks, son.
That's what it's going to be about.
Okay.
Like, are you following?
You can boost the volume again, by the way.
Brian, I got it said past two.
So I'll bid all of you adieu this fine evening.
It was nice to meet all of you.
I appreciate the conversation.
I thought it was actually pretty lighthearted for the most part, and I enjoyed it.
So I hope all of you have a wonderful evening and see you again sometimes.
Andrew, thank you for tuning in.
Give Rachel my.
Well, she's maybe in the chat.
But Rachel, I hope you feel better, Rachel.
And thank you for coming and joining us tonight, Andrew.
I do appreciate it.
Shoot us over a raid, and I'll say I'll keep the Crucible crew moderately entertained with some of these roasts here.
So have a good night, Andrew.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
All right, you can hide the Discord on Center and CenterZoom.
It's in the sources tab.
Yeah, perfect.
And then just put it center zoom really quick and just hide it here too.
Perfect.
Just get that hidden.
Perfect.
All right, I'm going to let a couple of the roasts come in.
Chore XD donated $30.
I think your case is rather sad, Chair 2.
You're robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Is some money now really worth potentially throwing away the future life you desire?
Why risk a life of lonely regret?
Palia Christian donated $30.
Ladies, don't be deceived by Andrew and his six-smoking cool guy persona.
After this, watch Andrew versus Stave Smith or Andrew versus Hazalbin.
Gets wrecked so bad in debate.
He's shaking.
Okay.
Celine Legorn is donated $30.
Tuning in late, but Chair 6 definitely knows a good possum recipe, and Chair 5's male looks equivalent couldn't get hundreds of bodies without paying hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Mail equivalent.
Michael Jones donated $30.
Congrats, Brian.
Chairs one through eight.
All delusional 304s.
W Andrew, W Brian, W Burritos.
Thank you, Michael Jones.
Appreciate it.
If I were on a deserted island with any of you ladies and a can of corned beef, I would eat you and talk to the corned beef.
Fair enough.
Honestly, please take me away.
If you're a hungry man, do you have bunnies injections or bunnies implants?
And what is your handle?
Ass injections or ass implants is what it meant to say.
No, I don't actually.
It's just fucking huge, naturally.
But it's Haley DeSale Pinto.
If you want to find my defense, there it is.
Thank you, C, for that.
We have some more roasts coming in.
Guys, $30 TTS.
If you want to roast the panel, $30 TTS if you want to roast.
Chair 6.
You're not fooling anybody.
We all know it's stank.
Do you want to respond to that?
You want to respond?
It smells great.
Have you guys?
I guess I don't have to respond.
With Ghost donated $30.
She doesn't want to.
Women could name more serial killers than you could found with Fathers.
That's a good point.
God Trump has gotten rid of the division of education.
To be fair, I am from the UK.
That's true.
I don't have a chance.
Yeah, but I don't think they're holding it against you.
You have a pass.
Yeah, you have a pass.
That's crazy, though.
Y'all name more serial killers than founding fathers.
That's crazy.
Yeah, serial killers are pretty glamorized, though, and there's a lot of documentaries on them, so we're likely to know who they are.
I'll pull up Aaron Chambers with the $50 Soup Chat shout out from Tuscaloosa, Alabama.
That reminds me of that sublime song.
Fuck, what is it?
He's a little bit of a full 29th.
All right, whatever.
Andrew, masterclass per usual.
Brian, I think you're quite underrated and take too much heat for absolutely nothing.
I think you're a masterclass as well.
Sincerely, on a side note, Alabama made Sweet 16.
Sweet 16?
Is that a song?
Thanks, Gipo.
Oh, hashtag World Tide.
Yo, Aaron, shout out to you in Alabama.
You know what?
As a dedication to you after the show, I'm going to play some Leonard Skinner.
I'm going to play Sweet Home, Alabama, just for you.
Just for you.
After the show, though.
Nice.
Thank you so much for that.
We have a couple more chats.
Well, quite a few.
For anyone tuning in now, I can sum this show up for you.
Most of the panel likely has wet brain, most are delusional.
About 70% are actual who wars.
Andrew Cooks.
Brian getting his CDF of the Dumpy.
Oh, yeah, that's a good one.
Anybody wanna you wanna anybody wanna?
How do you women?
Okay, I'm sorry.
I'm very dyslexic.
I would answer it if I'm also a little bit blind.
If sorry, what you could what?
Yeah, I'll just put it on.
With ghost donated $30.
How do you women feel that Americans have twice all agreed that a woman is unfit to be leader of our great country?
i think at this point a sex doesn't matter does it according to like the votes i think a labrador could probably do a better job than most to be fair Just saying.
Women or man, don't think that really matters anymore.
What's going on?
We're also forgetting that.
Oh, it's completely fucked.
What is going on?
It is fucked if you think you lost your country, by the way.
Well, everything is stupidly expensive.
We don't get paid.
Like, our wages do not match, you know, what we're spending, and taxes are so high.
It's, yeah, it's a bit of an embarrassment, to be honest.
Lost your country.
Yeah, hence why I'm here.
But no, it's not great, but yeah, a lot of people are moving out of England and heading to Spain.
And yeah.
Makes sense.
Sons of Liberty donated $29.99.
Of course, she doesn't share the views of the founders.
Our glorious founding fathers believed in free speech.
First Amendment.
This tyrant, Marxist, believes in policed speech, only speech she likes.
Coastal operator donated $30.
Just wanted to point out that I am officially claiming credit for the roast session.
Thank you, Coast.
Thank you, Sons of Liberty.
Suddenly we get the roast.
Get him in, boys.
Get him in.
Bear underscore in underscore the underscore woods donated $30 octopus.
My gender is a video game player.
I require gender confirming affirmation at least 167 hours to get I think twim in lost in the woods.
I call them hot pockets.
That's good.
Bear in the woods, thank you for that.
Daijabu donated $30.
Chair one, three, four, because of what came out your mouths, ill now be buying a ceiling fan and a rope.
See you hell.
What the fuck?
Oh, wow.
Look at that.
See if she's still got states.
But you know what?
And he's paying.
And he's paying.
Chair underscore one underscore simp donated $30.
I'll pass.
Brian, you need to get better girls in chair one.
Normally this guy's chair one simp always simps for the girl in chair one, but you really it takes a lot for chair one simp to be like I can't do it.
That's crazy.
Okay, um, who here wants to have some octopus?
I love seafood.
Wait, Felicity, you'll have octopus.
It's you'll have octopus.
I love seafood.
But here's the thing.
No, it's cooked.
It's cooked.
It is in the refrigerator, though, so it's cold.
But it's cooked.
Octopus, will you eat octopus on stream?
Sure.
There's not anything.
Is it season?
No, I just got it yesterday.
Did you cook it?
It's cooked.
It's pre-cooked.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, excited.
I don't know.
It's cooked, and then you refrigerated it.
It's cooked, then packaged.
I don't package it.
Oh, I see.
I thought it costs you.
It's from Colorado.
I can't get a shoot in like two days.
It's from Costco.
It's from Costco.
But in order to have them actually eat the octopus, we got to do.
I feel like we got to do some sort of threshold here.
Like through the roast or the TTS, they got to send in like.
Like, how much they said?
We need, here, here's how you're going to dictate who has to eat the octopus.
You have to send in a $99 TTS, and then you get to pick who eats the octopus.
Multiple people can eat the octopus, but we need one per.
So if you want Selena to eat the octopus, that's one.
Is this my abusing?
Okay.
That's fair.
Yeah, that's fair.
That seems fair.
Octopus is expensive.
Also, octopus is low.
And then $69 super $69, excuse me, $69 TTS if you want to hook the girl up with a popsicle.
I would love to pick up.
We have popsicle, like popsicles.
So $69.
I don't have a popsicle.
So, popsicle.
Popsicle time, boys.
Popsicle party.
Okay, we have that.
Let's see here.
What else we have to get through?
We do have some notes.
Oh, I did have a question.
Would you guys date a police officer starting with you?
I don't know.
Maybe.
He was a liberal police officer and enjoyed pegging.
Clearly, she said to that.
Clearly.
Clearly.
Obviously.
Duh.
Yeah.
She said yes.
Yeah, because of the pegging.
Okay.
Well, so okay.
Would you date a police officer?
I mean, if it's like I said, if it's the right person, I feel like we align.
Yeah, sure, why not?
Okay.
Here, I'll just start.
We'll go around this way then.
Sorry, no or yes?
Yeah.
I would.
You do realize most police officers are not going to be billionaires.
That's fine.
And you're asking based on a profession specifically.
Is that what you're just saying, like, would you date a police officer?
Yeah.
But they would, they're not billionaires.
And you said, like, you want.
So how are you going to.
Okay, but if leave that out, you're asking a specific question, like right now.
If you're asking, like, okay, they could have a billion dollars technically in the bank.
No, there's not really police officers that are billionaires.
I mean, that's typically not how it works.
They could be.
Yeah, but okay.
If they were billionaires, they wouldn't be police officers.
Let's be real.
They may love it.
They may be passionate about it.
I think police officers can have a sense of like they feel like they're contributing in like a positive way to their community, keeping their community safe.
I absolutely agree with that.
But I think the job is so stressful that if a police officer was to happen into a billion dollars, I think a lot of, I think honestly, you can say this about any occupation.
If you get a billion dollars, like there's a really high probability that 99% of people are going to stop whatever their current occupation is.
And also like the safety concerns, probably they're like, okay, well, I love doing this, but there's safety concerns, super stressful job dealing with these like people, criminals.
Yeah.
You asked a specific yes or no question.
You hate when I ask for clarification.
Okay, fine.
Would you date a yes, you would date a police officer if they're a billionaire.
Okay, great answer.
All right.
What about you?
Would you date a police officer?
No, because they're not a millionaire.
Bruh.
Great.
Great answer over there.
No, because they're not a millionaire.
Would you date a police officer?
Yeah, why not?
Des over here, would you Felicity?
Would you know this wasn't even for you?
I just now I'm realizing.
Wait, you wouldn't date a police officer if he was like chill, you know?
Um, I just have a bad history.
Okay, all right, that's acceptable.
That's that's understandable.
All right, guys, thirty dollar TTS.
Get them in, get them in if you want.
I'm gonna let some come through.
We have Michael Jones donated $99.99.
Just leave it on the table for a little bit, but then you can take it out of the refrigerator.
Octopus, octopus, thank you, Michael Jones.
I'm actually starving.
So, you bought this from the super.
Yeah, thank you for donating, Michael Jones.
Just like if you have someone on the phone right now, okay.
Sorry, guys, there's some more chats come through.
One sec, guys.
Coastal operator donated $30.
Brian, you're playing a dangerous game giving a bunch of OF girls tentacles.
Make sure they know to eat it and not shove it where the sun don't shine.
that's crazy dude I can't Josh donated $30.
Pronouns, slash him, slash, she, slash, her, refer to gender, and gender is a term to describe a person's sex.
Stop saying gender and sex are separate.
They're not.
You can't choose gender, and you death can't change it.
Wait, was that for who was that?
Assistant Janice.
Was that for chair four?
She just stepped up.
Josh, thank you for your message.
Uh, here he's got this to Jillo donated thirty dollars.
Brian, wow, sucks.
Play a better game.
It's very disappointing you consign yourself to such masochism.
Try WH40K Space Marine 2 and suffer not the filthy Xenos to live for the Emperor.
Why?
I'm not even playing video games right now.
There's like I played for like three weeks over like the Christmas break or whatever, but I'm not playing video games right now at all.
But thank you for the recommendation.
Please, Thor donated $30.
You all are into pronouns, huh?
Let me shee them titties.
Why studs don't have to be six feet tall making $100,000 to get a woman.
Seen a dude grab a stuff booty and called him gay.
I didn't know whose side to take.
Damn.
I'm gonna have weird dreams.
Yo, bass Thor, thank you so much for the uh the roast man.
I really appreciate it.
Uh, so guys, if you want to get it in $30 TTS, uh, okay, I think.
Oh, would you date a guy who listens to Joe Rogan?
Yeah, why not?
I love Joe Rogan, yes.
Um, probably, I don't really know what he um talks about in his podcast.
Okay, that's my answer.
Maybe, so no, maybe, maybe, just to be clear, like, just a reminder: Joe Rogan endorsed Donald Trump.
Oh, I know.
So, like, probably not, but again, probably not.
That's my answer.
Yeah, I wouldn't give a shit.
Um, I don't know who that is.
You don't know Joe Rogan.
I mean, I don't super famous podcast.
Does he like align a lot with the like it has to be more specific?
Does he think he's funny, or does he see like this guy knows what he's talking about?
Well, I mean, Joe Rogan is-I mean, he used to be liberal, but now I'd say he's probably more moderate.
I just, how much does he agree with Trump?
No, not him.
How much is the guy?
Oh, how much does the guy with Rogan?
He 95% agrees with Rogan.
Probably not, but I try to hear everyone's opinions out.
Would you date a guy who listens to Joe Rogan frequently?
Okay.
Felicity?
yeah does your boyfriend i think so i don't know you don't you Wait, you don't know your boyfriend?
You've been dating for like 20 years or five years or how long?
Two years, too.
No, I don't know.
I don't know what he listens to, but I don't care.
You don't know.
What kind of music or anything?
Music, yeah.
Oh, okay.
Just not like podcasts and shit.
Is he a Trump supporter, your boyfriend?
Yeah.
You say that like you're upset by it, kind of.
He talks about it too much.
Too much?
Yeah.
How do those conversations go?
He's like, oh, I'm so against illegal.
Oh, my God.
Stroking out tonight.
I'm so much against illegal immigration.
And is that frustrating for you?
He'll do it like in public really loudly on purpose to like kind of piss me off.
I'm like, just be quiet.
Wait, so he'll, does he wear a MAGA hat in public?
No.
But so he'll be like, to make you uncomfortable, he'll just be like, what will he say?
Like build the wall type shit?
I mean, if politics come up, like he'll let you know how he feels about it and immigration and stuff.
He'll definitely talk about it.
But you said he'll do that shit like in public loud, like as a kind of a game kind of.
Is it to like fuck with you?
He does it to be embarrassing.
He does a lot of things to be embarrassing.
Like he'll talk about anything to kind of just get a reaction out of people.
Yeah, like politically in my way.
It's like if you're with your guy friend.
Well, it's like, oh, sorry, go ahead.
Oh, I was about to say my boyfriend doesn't align with that politically, but like definitely my boyfriend and all of my guy friends will say things.
Just to fuck with you.
It's like a troll.
Like he's like trolling for sure.
Yeah, absolutely.
But he does align with it.
Yeah, it's like if you're hanging out with your guy friends and you're like, bro, I don't want your box of porn.
I don't know.
I'm thinking of this movie.
Or what you could do is if you're on the phone, you could be like, oh.
You got it.
It didn't clear up?
What?
Oh, my.
I think you should see a doctor.
That could be Hercules.
I don't know, whatever.
Never mind.
All right.
Peanuth.
Peanuth donated $30.
Care 6.
I feel like every time you wash your clothes, you have to wash the washing.
Wash your mouth.
Actually, wash them in a river.
OJ Simpson donated $30.
Care 6 is going for vagrant Margaret Quiley from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, but it doesn't hit the same.
Also, we all know it's stank like a lot.
Again, it doesn't.
Smalls donated $30.
Why do you think you deserve a millionaire slash why should a millionaire even look at you?
The average girl.
Yes, this is a roast as I know you will roast yourself for me peas.
Name is from Sandlot.
Oh, thank you.
I did ask about that earlier.
By the way, we're gonna, I'm gonna, here's what we're gonna do: we're gonna do $69 for octopus feeding.
She's already been designated as wanting octopus or, well, picked for octopus consumption.
Selena wants to eat some octopus.
Felicity needs some octopus, but you got to do a $69 super chat for octopus feeding.
Once one TTS accounts for one octopus-fed individual, and then the popsicle is going to be free.
That's going to be the chaser.
So you get the octopus, and then you get the chaser.
How much is just the popsicle?
Oh, it's going to be free.
Oh.
So everybody will get a popsicle.
Oh, yay.
Yeah.
Okay.
Wait.
Smalls.
Smalls.
Why do you think?
Oh, why do you think you deserve a millionaire?
Oh, wait.
I think it.
Oh, it's bla.
What the fuck?
Hold on.
My bad, guys.
Smalls donated $30.
Why do you think you deserve a millionaire?
Slash, why should a millionaire even look at you?
The average girl.
Yes, this is a roast as I know you will roast yourself for me, peas.
Name is from Sandlot.
Bloody ass.
Why do you guys deserve billionaire millionaire?
I'm the shit.
What do you mean?
You're the shit.
I was really gonna say that I'm that bitch.
You're that bitch.
Okay.
What about you, Selena?
It's just a want.
I wouldn't say I deserve it.
Okay, you want it, though.
Okay.
So what does it mean to be that bitch?
It means being me.
What does that mean?
Are you the table?
It's being cool.
And like, am I the table?
Yeah, are you the table?
What does that mean?
Huh?
What do you bring to the table?
Are you the table?
I'm.
I bring everything to the table because I am the table.
But I would say I'm cool.
I'm nice.
I have like equalities.
I don't like.
I don't know.
I don't do anything bad.
Okay.
That's cool.
Millionaire coming up.
All right.
That's a trade-off.
Tweels $1,927 donated $29.
Brian knew we need took you forever to drop TTS.
Redhead Britt is the cutest guest.
Great hair.
Bring Shania back, Brett.
Yeah, Shania's dope.
Would love to have her back.
That's crazy, man.
That's crazy.
GMD Jim donated $30.
Thank you, Jim.
Redhead Bricks, your country is collapsing because of all of the cultural enrichment and their grape gangs.
Your country needs a Trump to start mass deportation and make Britain great again.
Michael Jones donated $30.
Thank you, Michael.
Brian is getting better at babysitting every show.
Brian, next time, have the panelists do the third-grade multiplication sheets.
Yeah, you know what?
That's a good idea.
He has donated $30.
Chair 1's eyes are so big if she shed one single tear, Brian would have to mop the floor.
Alright, so...
So for Dess, here, I need you to read like the first five pages of cat in the hat.
One sec.
Peaneth donated $30.
Share one's eyes are so big, if she shed one single tear, Brian would have to mop the floor.
Are you all Peaneth?
Oh, by the way, guys, for the rest of the roasts, can you guys send them in with a lisp?
Oh, I love that.
Like, make the messages have a lisp.
If you guys were watching our the crash with Priscilla, if you guys can make the messages have a lisp.
Okay, Dess.
Why?
You're going to have to read the Cam the Hat five pages go into the microphone, Porphyor.
The sun did not shine.
It was too wet to play.
So we sat in the house all that cold, cold, wet day.
I sat there with Sally.
We sat there, we two.
And I said, How I wish we had something to do.
Too wet to go out and too cold to play ball.
So we sat in the house.
We did nothing at all.
So all we could do was to sit, sit, sit.
And we did not like it.
Not one bit.
And then something went bump.
How that bump made us jump.
Can we get a round of applause for guests here?
And now, Felicity, Felicity, you need to read five pages of Green Eggs and Ham.
Okay.
I'll take the.
Can you show the pictures too?
Like, just actually, it's okay.
Oh, what is it?
Okay.
That Sam I am, that Sam I am.
I do not like that Sam I Am.
Which camera?
Wait, this one.
Okay.
Do you like green eggs and ham?
Shit's getting deep.
I do not like them, Sam I am.
I do not like green eggs and ham.
Okay, that was great.
Thank you.
Thank you, Felicity, for that.
If anybody wants, I have the better butter.
What's it?
What's it called?
The butter battle book, and then I also have Harry Potter.
Good talk.
Guys, $69 for octopus feeding.
You know what?
Here's what I'm just going to do.
If somebody sends in one $69 TTS for the octopus feeding, I'll just, whoever, I'll have the girls, anybody, girl.
That doesn't even mix.
Anybody girl.
All the girls who are willing to eat octopus will be given octopus.
So you don't have to be like one for her.
No.
$169 TTS.
Octopus will be distributed fully to everybody who wants some.
Please.
Have you had octopus before?
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Is it good?
I've never had it.
Yeah.
I am not.
Oh, it's delicious.
This is like a torture thing, but I feel like we're all like down.
Alex, what was the ROI on doing a thrust on TV, Netflix, with a man that his girlfriend?
That's a great question.
I'm not going to disclose that.
And I can't really talk about the show, to be honest.
But yeah, no, it was a lucrative week for me.
So now we're girls.
Nice.
Okay.
Cool.
Michael Jonath donated $30.
Pretty good, panel Brian.
Tell me if the panelists seemed to have trouble engaging their are you three.
Where's the octopus?
It's coming.
It's coming.
Thank you, Michael Jonathan.
Appreciate it.
Oh, my God.
Wow.
Haley.
What do we want?
Every letter or just a name?
Haley DeSola Pinto.
I am the girl from Below Deck season 10.
Oh, my God.
Who the hell is that?
What is Below Deck Season 10?
What do you want about?
Do you know what?
Do you know what Below Deck is?
It's one of the biggest reality shows in America.
Why do you know what Below Deck is?
Is that like a sex act or something?
No, it's like the Opal Tower is better.
That's a legendary show.
Do you know Bravo, the network?
You heard of Housewives of Beverly Hills, all of that.
Below Deck chat.
Have you ever seen it?
Google it, babe.
Google it.
Oh, speaking of octopus achievement unlocked.
Octopus.
That octopus-y.
All right.
I'm going to get the octopus.
Oh, wait.
Another one came in.
Wow, they really want you guys to eat the octopus.
Okay, I'll get that in just a sec.
Here.
Yo, Selena Gournes.
Thank you so much for that.
Appreciate it.
Octopus Achievement Unlocked.
Rock and roll.
Thank you.
Daijabu donated $69.
Octopus for C2 and chair three.
Come off as the girl that put the square in the circle.
What the fuck does that get?
Thank you.
I need more of your accent.
I now need to go back to work for all the money I spent.
Wow.
Get an Addie Noi pay.
Yo, boo.
Thank you for the TTS.
I do appreciate it.
Okay, so here's what we're going to do.
I'm going to get up quickly, get the octopus all prepped for y'all.
And, but before I do, guys, like the video.
Also, Venmo, Cash App, whatever pause, 100% of your contribution go towards us.
YouTube takes 30%, Streamlabs takes 3% to 4%.
Also, twitch.tv/slash whatever, guys.
Drop us.
Ooh, Blake was.
Oh, my goodness.
He was quick with it.
Yo, W's in the chat for Blake.
He's a fucking legend.
W's in chat for Blake.
I want to see Blake in the chat.
Okay.
Guys, drop us a follow on the prime step.
Guys, we're 300 followers away.
You see Blake, what he's doing there.
He's putting the cursor over that shit.
300 followers away from 100,000.
You know what?
If we can get to 100,000 tonight, I will octopus.
I'll eat some octopus.
And that shit, I smelled that shit and I wanted to throw up.
Wait, have you never had?
I've never had octopus.
Really?
Trust.
Nah.
If we hit, I kind of want to walk this back now a little bit.
No, I'm doing it.
No, no, no.
300 followers?
We're only 300 away.
But it hasn't really budged.
I will have.
I'm going to cut.
I'm going to loophole that shit.
I'm going to loophole that shit.
Okay.
Guys, get us to 100,000 followers.
100,000 followers, 300 away, and I will have a piece of octopus.
A bite?
There's a lot.
There's 1,300 viewers.
Oh my God.
300 of you just follow real quick.
But he has to eat the whole thing.
If I'm getting a gag reflex, that's my out.
I'm not going to throw up on stream.
But I'll attempt.
I'll attempt.
He'll try to throw up.
He'll do it for the hundred.
He doesn't want it.
An attempt will be made.
Hold on.
Let me let some chats come through and then we're going to get the.
You know what?
Here, let me get the octopus.
Felicity, you are with your prowess, conversational prowess.
I want you to take over for just a moment while I prepare the octopus.
Take over for a little bit.
Tell us how you feel about immigration.
Just kidding.
Oh my god.
Can I read the notes?
I mean, here, why don't you do you want to pick?
What about shit?
I don't know.
Real?
I'm trying to help you out.
Let's see.
How about this?
Is dating easier for women?
Is dating easier for women, guys?
Chair one.
Hell yeah.
Probably, yeah.
I'd say, like, my boyfriend and I kind of talk about this a lot.
We're like on dating apps, there's like a select few guys in the area that all the women are like, yeah.
Like, I like him.
And then there's like a lot more girls.
Like, dating apps specifically is easier for girls, I feel like.
I think dating in general is easier for girls.
Like, we, any one of us could go out and get a date today on, like, a guy, you know, yeah.
I think so, Loki.
100%.
Oh, it is cooked.
Okay.
Yeah, it's cooked.
Have any of you guys been on dating apps?
No, been on dating apps.
You have?
What was your experience like?
I didn't hate it.
I didn't love it.
I was more of like a hinge person when I was on the apps.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I liked like the voice message feature of it.
I don't think I've ever used hinge.
Who wants us to?
One, two, three, four, five, six.
That's broken.
Deaths, you gotta have some.
Just a bite.
You can spit it out.
Okay.
Wait, so how many is that?
One, two, three.
Wait, are you gonna have boxes?
No.
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
Have you been on dating apps?
Okay.
My boyfriend did an experiment.
Me and my boyfriend did an experiment one time.
Like, this is like a long time ago.
And we were like, we put me like on the profile and I got like a bunch of matches, but then we put him just like to see like the like reaction, like how they would, how people would react to just me versus like me with a guy being like, hey, I have a boyfriend.
And honestly, they're kind of, it's like, kind of like a lot of swingers.
I was about to say, I feel like if you're on like Tinder, was that it was Tinder?
Yeah, it was Tinder.
Yeah, if you're on Tinder and you're posting with a couple, you might even get more likes.
Oh, yeah, that's where I'm from.
There were some freaky couples.
Like, they were down.
What did they say?
Excuse me?
What did they say in the DMs?
They were like, well, some of them were like, oh, forget your boyfriend.
But a lot of them were like, yeah, like, where are you located at?
Oh.
All right.
Let me know the details.
Yeah.
I was like, it's crazy.
Not for all, guys.
Not for all.
I feel like we haven't heard from you at all.
Are you on dating apps?
No.
No.
Have you ever been on dating apps?
Yeah.
You have?
Which ones?
Say Yuboo.
Yuboo?
Oh, Yubo.
I remember that from when I was like.
Is that a dating app?
I think it's like the.
Sorry, I'm not trying to cut you off.
No, it's like for friends.
It's like Tinder for friends.
It's not for friends, but it's for minors.
And so.
Like, this guy, as a minor, you're allowed to make a profile on Yubo.
And I remember.
Well, yeah, I had it.
Right.
And I remember people like treating it like a dating app.
And like, I know that it'll say that you're a minor, but I don't like that app.
There was personally like 20-year-olds on there, though.
And Omegle are like, I've never heard of that before.
Am I too old?
Excuse me.
You're not missing out.
It's like a Tinder for friends.
But there's like a lot of under, like, I was like, what, like, 15 on there?
Yeah, quarantine going on.
People's lives on there.
Quarantine.
Yeah.
I can't lie.
I would troll.
You would troll.
I would troll.
How?
You know how they would be like, maybe like, rape me?
Or like they would be like, let me rape you.
I hate that question.
Oh, my God.
It was so bad.
It was so bad.
I'd go on there.
I'd be like, what am I?
Justify your answer.
You would ask them what you are.
The whole live would be like, I'll rate you if you send like this number, this emoji.
And I would like send the emoji.
And I would get my rating.
And then I'd be like, can you justify that?
Can you tell me what?
Oh my God.
No, I hated it.
I thought it was so funny.
In retrospect, it was not funny.
No, I hated getting ratings.
I did not like that.
Like in middle school, and people would be like, what was it?
Like, rate or rate or something.
I like hated the whole like rape me culture.
And I think I thought it was so funny was because it was never being taken.
I think it's a hard rate.
Oh, girl.
I mean, no seasoning.
Now I know.
That one's for you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then this one's for our girl in the middle.
Oh, we're just going to have to share because I'm a fork and a knife.
Yeah.
Hold on.
Let's have some decency.
Take one packet and I'm like, I just realized it's not seasoning.
It's a small face.
It's not seasoned.
That's not constant.
It would be so good.
Do you have like a knife?
I mean, if we're in the middle of the union right now, I got like a plastic knife.
Like a plastic fork and knife.
I don't think it's going to cut.
I don't think a plastic knife is just going to cut.
Oh, but I think it was a good idea.
I want us to just grab it with our hands.
Wait, wait, let me get y'all forks.
I'm going to give y'all forks.
Don't be touching me, don't touch her.
Don't touch the bed number.
Oh my god, I mean, I know.
It's not like thieves or something.
It's like in jelly.
What?
Excuse me?
It's the congealedness, isn't it?
I mean, does anyone eat nutskins?
Because I don't have a problem with nutfines.
I'm just going to see how it's going to be.
I feel like I can eat a nutskin and see if it'll penetrate.
What the fuck?
Yeah, penetrate.
Where is our vocabulary going today?
Why?
Oh, it's just the jelly bit.
Yeah, the jelly bit.
It's fine apart from the jelly.
It's like, you know, cat food comes in jelly.
That's all I can think about.
That's exactly what I thought about it.
Do you know what I mean?
That's one of my worst fears is eating cat food.
I have nightmares about it all the time.
I'm gonna wake up spitting on my pillow.
I don't know why when all of you guys cold it like turns into season or season.
No, I can't do this.
It's their natural fat.
No, I actually can't.
I'm sorry.
I know I said I couldn't.
No, I do.
I don't think I can.
You have to eat some.
It stinks.
That's how octopus.
Wait, hold on.
It doesn't matter.
I've spent a lot of time in the Mediterranean and it doesn't look like that.
Just wait.
We'll do one by one.
Felicity, go ahead.
I fucking have.
You gotta go.
How about as well?
How aren't we supposed to be starting with you?
You're at the end.
Does the smell reflect in the taste?
You enjoyed that, didn't you?
I can see it in your eyes.
I don't know.
Like, I like seafood, but.
What the fuck?
Yeah, I've never had an octopus that smelled like this before.
Yeah.
That's just how it smells.
Not all the time.
That's how octopus smells.
It's got like a really bite.
Are you going to have some?
Do you want a bite?
No, I'm good.
You want a bite?
It has got.
Do you want more?
It has a smell to it.
Here, wait.
Here, take a bite.
Go ahead.
Take a bite.
Now it's on you.
God, that's a big bite.
That's a ride or die, right?
That.
Wait, what?
Is it good?
How was it?
That was a full sense.
Go ahead, try it, Selena.
I'm a fucking genius.
Oh my God.
What is wrong with you guys?
Could I be really honest?
Since I said about the cat food thing, I've completely grossed myself out.
Are you gonna do this?
I'm not.
It's on you.
Eat it.
Quick.
Quick food.
Are you gonna have some?
I don't think so.
The taste is not as bad as it smells.
It's really not that bad.
Is it not that bad?
I licked it a little bit.
I like it.
Okay, I'll take a bite.
That's what she said.
Will you take a bite?
You're setting yourself up right now.
If you take a bite, I'll take a bite.
Richard donated $30.
Is the audio?
Brian, real talk.
You've got to leave emotion out of your conversation as you do feel like attacking coming from another meal.
But Haley has been the best on your show.
Please hit her back up.
Oh, for God's sake.
Oh.
Wait, can we close it?
I bet it's going to be too cold too quick.
We have Yep here.
Yep, donated $30.
I just have to say it.
Felicity, your cleavage is gorgeous.
Hands up at the table if you agree.
Woman as why a guy would prefer an 18-year-old like that over a 27-year-old with fakes.
D, I wonder.
Thank you.
I mean, yeah.
Think so.
Nice tips.
Look at that.
Do it in a respectable way.
Thank you.
Like a nice way.
Yo, Durin, thank you for the gifted tense ups.
Apologies, guys, for the delay on these TTS messages.
I was behind the scenes preparing the octopus for my steam.
Do you want to get rid of it?
Are you uncomfortable a little bit with the food?
Just leave it for a second.
It smells so good.
But we'll get cat food.
We'll get rid of it in just a second.
It's her.
She said cat food.
You guys just have to take a bite.
I did do that, but it also does really smell like cat food.
One offers nada, two is a prude, three offers less than one, four's glasses have definitely been skeeted on, five is comprised of skeet, six looks like a metheny, eight is unbothered, and seven looks like a freak in the sheets.
Hey, put that crystal back on the table.
Put it that is you we got we gotta keep the balance of the chi.
Can I get a definition on that one?
And if you take a crystal off the table, it fucks up the feng shui.
That comment was sucked.
It's like ski off of those atlas and like the suncloud rows.
Wait, can we methane?
Can you please scoot into the table a little bit?
Can you just that's what they mean to her?
No, that's I'm not saying that's what they call her.
I'm not that wasn't me.
I'm just saying that's the nickname.
I call her Angel Trumpet.
Yeah, she's that's her name.
She's an angel.
She's an angel.
Yeah.
She's a yeah, that thing.
That's baby girl.
Don't be afraid.
But I'm just saying that's what they call that's what they how they know who she is.
Okay, I guess.
Oh, that bloody stinks.
I'll get rid of just wait.
Can I get a picture?
I'll get rid of it.
Just one second.
TBH.
Some of the women on the panel are pretty, while others are beautiful.
However, a certain number of them have awful personalities and brainwashed minds, which drives good men away from them.
Oh, shucks.
Michael Jones donated $30.
Oh, F started.
Opinion dispute.
That's good.
Oh, my God.
Wow, Michael Jones.
Brutal.
Here, wait, hold on.
Felicity, one more.
Do you want one more bite?
No, thank you.
Will you be a fucking G?
Will you be a G. If you donate $100 right now, I'll take another bite.
I don't think they'll do it for $100.
I think they will.
How about we do $60?
They hate me.
Oh, wait, is it gone?
Oh, shit.
Octopus.
Oh, wait.
Octopussy.
What the hell?
Is that good or no?
All right, guys, here.
That was good.
That was good.
Yeah, that was good.
But you also like eating it, so I doubt they're going to pay to see it.
No, I don't necessarily like it.
I'm just not a.
But you're pretty good with it.
Yeah, you're very impressive, actually, the way you did that.
Yeah, that's.
I mean, they seem to really hate me.
If they send 100, I guess I'll take a bite.
Jordan Royale donated $30.
Chair 1, you're annoying.
AF.
Chair next to Brian.
I like the bangs and you're cute.
Drop the Instagram.
Down for a date with a six-feet man that makes six figures.
Look, she is dating her boyfriend who embarrasses her in public.
It's not going to happen.
No, my Instagram is Felicity with Two Wise, Michaela, M-I-K-A-E-L-A.
There it is.
Thank you, Jordan Royale.
Is that your boyfriend that sent that in?
I don't know.
He would not.
Chore XD donated $30.
Chair 7 might have the personality of paint drying, but she actually seems like a nice enough girl.
Take good care of animals, and don't fall into leftist brain rot.
You might have hope.
Maybe.
Well, that might have already happened, but what the fuck is this?
Selena's Bulgarian fan donated $30.
Uh-oh.
Selena, Nia Brush Tyvenimanin Andrew Wilson, Twa Eosage Denial Jal Visat Verapidophil.
Oh my god, okay.
Probably gonna assume that's not base Thor donated $30.
If there's a gender wage gap and companies can pay women less, why don't they hire all women then?
When I open my first business, I'm only hiring trans women.
Men strength with women wages.
I'm a bit rich.
Nice.
Didn't we just say that they're all smalls donated $30.
UK grandma, America is going the same way the UK is now.
It doesn't matter who is in office.
All western world is being destroyed with gender crap rather than real problems.
It is all a distraction.
Word?
Blafist donated.
Thank you, Smalls.
Thank you, Blafis.
Do you know the difference between a magician's wand and a police officer's baton?
A magician's wand is for cunning stunts.
Michael Jones donated $100.
You're welcome.
Okay, thank you.
But you didn't believe in it.
Oh, Michael Jones, thank you for the very generous.
Oh, thank you to you.
Yeah.
Thank you for your service.
For my suggestion.
Yeah, hold the plate up a little bit.
I don't want that dropped.
Like, hold it up.
Hold it up.
All right.
Nice.
Okay, here.
We'll get it off the table.
I'll do it.
Please.
I'll do it.
Here, pass me.
Or maybe with those two.
No, sure.
Are you not even going to try it?
Well, I'm just going to put it back there for now.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm just going to put it on the back there.
Oh, man, this one is gross.
Holy shit.
Okay, do you get it now?
Got like the worst one.
I was smelling it.
Yeah, like just a gelatin, babe.
Can't look over the gelatin.
Just not having it.
I was expecting it to be better.
Well, I've really seen this octopus before, so for me, the comparison is just laying in my head, and I can't deal with that.
I was just thinking of this one time I tried octopus and it was so good, and it was it in the Mediterranean.
No, it was here in Santa Barbara.
But was it like grilled with lemon juice?
Yeah, it was like garlic and salt and pepper.
Yeah, it's a completely different experience.
Yeah, I mean, Babe, I don't even care if that was to be honest.
Blake is debating.
Hold on, let me just say that.
I'm a real one.
I'm a real one.
Where are we on the Twitch?
Did we hit it?
Oh, not even close.
Not even close.
Okay, yeah, we're just gonna test it.
I'm still chewing.
We're gonna toss it.
Can you pass it?
That's a big bite.
Can you just pass the napkins down to her and she'll toss them?
All right, guys.
We do have like two or three more topics, then we're gonna get this wrap.
Crazy.
Oh, my God.
Yeah, it's bad.
I need like fresh air.
Honestly, the smell is worse than the taste.
That is true.
Yeah, the texture, not my favorite, but you know, made you a hundred bucks.
Coastal operator donated $30.
Oh, she's gone.
Carefully senior chair four.
Chair four, quick.
Come back.
They're chair three's last two brain cells fighting for third place all show.
I'll re-trigger it and just thank you.
Various crazy people donated $30.
Hey, Methane, scooch in closer to the market.
Yeah, you gotta scoot into the table.
You're like behind her at this point.
Do you want to respond about the crackpipe allegations?
Coastal operator donated $30.
Care force seems like she can probably tell the grandson by taste.
Chair 3's last two brain cells fighting for third place all show.
Thank you.
I'm sorry.
What?
He's saying that you can tell the brand of a window by taste.
By tasting.
Because you lick windows.
Okay.
Have you done that before?
Do you want to do that?
If somebody donates, if hold on, if Coastal Operator donates $199, will you lick the window?
No.
Really?
I thought we were homies and like, really?
Like, I thought we were friends and you're not.
You're not going to lick the window?
No.
I'll do it.
Wait, Felicity.
Yo, Felicity.
Okay.
If anybody wants to see Felicity lick the window behind her.
By the way, it's clean.
We clean these frequently.
She'll do it for 100.
Will you do it for 100?
I'll do it for 150.
I'll make it higher.
Okay, 150.
If you want to see her, lick a window.
That's for Coastal Operator.
$150 for her, and it has to be a separate one, $100 for our girl Felicity over $99.99.
We'll do that for Felicity.
All right.
All right.
There you go.
The Good Austin.
I know this might be a mentally tasking show.
By the way, it goes to the show.
Just clarifying.
We got that.
Don't worry.
Okay.
The Good Austin.
I know this might be a mentally tasking show, but thanks from a 30-something blue-collar worker who usually watches a whole stream before he's close.
He's close to clocking out.
Men sweat so women can be sweet, not sour.
Tot, dot, dot, all the time.
Yo, good Austin.
Thank you so much for the super chat, man.
Really appreciate it.
You're a fucking legend.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Michael Arnold, Brian doesn't eat octopus, no matter how much a woman wants him to.
Yo, I got blasted on Twitter the other day because I posted an old clip of me, which is still true, but I don't.
We could debate this.
I don't do that.
Really?
Really?
Why?
Whoa, that's crazy that you're coming at me like that.
That's crazy.
You came at me.
I thought you are.
Here, let me ask you one question.
One question.
Are you my Caucasian?
I am not getting the reference here.
It's not a reference.
Are you my Caucasian?
Huh?
I don't know.
No?
I don't.
Because you're my Caucasian, but am I your Caucasian?
It's not a weird child.
It's not like a weird thing.
No, but I see that.
Are you my Caucasian?
So like, do you want dap or anything?
Are you my Caucasian?
I see what you're saying.
What am I saying?
I mean, am I your pal?
Is that what you're trying to ask?
No, are you my Caucasian?
I'm confused.
Are you my Caucasian?
Do I gotta repeat?
Are you my Caucasian?
Like Felicity here, she's my Caucasian.
Yep.
I think she's part Latina, but we'll let it pass, right?
Are you full?
A little Latina?
Like, like, not even a quarter.
I'm like Spanish.
It's Caucasian.
Are you saying you're my white?
Are you my Caucasian?
Am I the same kind of white as you are?
No, that's not what I'm saying.
I'm confused here.
By the way, I saw Apocalypto this past week.
That shit was.
I saw it.
Oh, the movie.
Yeah.
Oh, it's amazing, isn't it?
It's a masterpiece.
It's so good.
And it's the second time.
Well, I saw it 15 years ago.
So good.
But then I saw it again.
That's a good movie.
If anybody's looking for a movie, Apocalypto.
Anyways, I don't know because we're talking about.
So are you my Caucasian, though?
I don't know.
I don't know what that means.
Are you my Caucasian?
I don't exactly know what you mean by that.
Okay, thank you.
Russian.
Are you my Caucasian?
I don't know.
Are you?
Are you my Caucasian?
What does it mean?
Caucasian.
Like, you know how.
Do I have to explain?
What nationality have I gotten here?
Okay, I'm like, I can't believe I'm about to say that.
Russian, Portuguese, and Spanish.
I'm about to explain it, the joke, because I don't know if you guys get it.
I don't know.
Oh.
So it's like, you know how.
Wait, before we, before I, no, I'll just explain now.
You know how, like, black people will be like, what's up, my N-word?
Yeah.
That's like the white version.
It's like, my Caucasian.
Instead of N-word, it's like my Caucasian.
And then we like fucking.
I'm Caucasian because we're Caucasian.
Okay, got it.
Like the whole, you know how like Caucasian.
So basically, are we buds?
Huh?
Basically, are we buds?
That's what you're trying to say.
No?
Are you my Caucasian?
Yes, that's what I'm trying to say.
Okay, well, I asked you.
Are you my Caucasian?
Are you myself?
Yeah, I was gonna say it to me though.
Be like, Brian, you're my Caucasian.
I'm not saying that.
Why not?
Are you racist?
No, I'm not.
You don't like white people?
No.
That comment is hilarious.
How do you feel about it?
To be fair, yeah.
I have had more races in that.
Huh?
So I think we're all equal, so I'd like to.
All equal.
That's my to say, like any we're all equal.
Okay, so call me my Caucasian.
Why can't you say, Brian, you're my Caucasian?
I just feel like that's weird.
Why is that weird?
Well, it's just out of character.
All right, bet.
Yeah.
I'll use the Gen Z bet.
Bet, bet, bet.
All right.
Oh, speaking of which, since.
Uh-oh.
Coastal operator donated $150.
Lick the fucking window.
Brian, I'm going to need her to tell us the brand after tasting.
If she's right, I'll send another $100 to the burrito fund.
All right, so you got to lick the window right that window.
What?
You agree?
No, I know I did.
Okay.
You want me to hold your hair?
All right, Chad.
She's about to lick a window.
I kind of want you to go outside and do it from that way, though, so we get like a more.
Do you hate me?
No, no, I don't want to.
If you're going to do it, you know.
But have your face has to kind of be like turned a bit.
I feel like this is like a good angle.
Okay.
Here, go ahead.
Stand up.
Wait, I'll direct you.
I'm the director.
So step to the.
You see that white bar there?
This one.
Yeah.
And now face that way.
Yeah.
And then approach the window.
Oh, you can see that.
Oh, wait, it's going to be kind of.
Wait, I wonder if we do it.
You need to be more sneaky.
Can you say men?
Yeah, this is better.
Oh my god, it smells like octopus over here.
So in terms of the lick, I think at least whatever.
I'll just let you do it.
No, Taylor.
I think just lick the window in the way that you want to.
And imagine it's your male feminist boyfriend.
And imagine he just got done voting for Kamala Harris.
Just picture that in your mind's eye.
In your mind's eye, picture him.
Okay, he just voted for Kamala.
You better lick that.
Oh my God.
Look at me like that.
All right.
And he just, he just burned a Tesla.
He just committed a terrorist act against, he burned a whole Tesla dealership to the ground.
And so picture that as the window.
Oh, I think this is all you.
Don't make me do this.
Alana, tell her it's all her, right?
I mean, if it's a solidarity thing, she can join you.
Come on.
Hey, you agreed?
You're going to make her, you're going to throw your friend Alana.
You're going to let your friend.
You're going to let your friend.
Do you want me to do it?
I'll do it.
Oh, lick a window.
Let's all do it.
This has been the first time.
You guys are going to do it together?
How's that even going to work?
Just, we all choose a panel.
Yeah, I don't know.
What the fuck?
Don't leave me alone in this.
Just don't prolong it.
You can't do it.
Can you guys just do it?
It's taking a little while.
Bro, we can't see.
You got the licking at an angle.
I totally did.
No, bro, you got to do it in an angle.
That's do it at an angle, son.
No, what?
Here, because they can't see it.
Look, no, you can't lick it straight.
You got to be like to the side.
Other side.
No, turn that way.
I'm just licking it three times.
Last one.
Just face that way.
He just sent $150 for this.
There we go.
Okay, what flavor of window was it?
I don't even know window brands.
Oh, shit.
Coastal opt.
Here, oh, Blake, could you get them some popsicles?
We need.
Who wants a popsicle?
You get a popsicle.
No?
This is all.
I'm all right, Telly.
You get a popsicle.
All right, let's get like six popsicles going here.
All right, they're gonna get some popsicles with a mask.
What the fuck?
Damn, they're talking shit about me now.
What the fuck?
Brian donated $30.
That's crazy.
Brian, I love you, man, but you've got to stop with the masperito munching.
Real talk, you have to have Haley back.
She's the most beautiful woman I've seen, and not just by a look.
Just pass it to her and she'll pass it down.
All right, like it's going to just break off in a minute, but thanks a lot.
I do got to lay off the burritos.
That's a true friend right there.
What on earth is that?
It's popscom.
To the women who have boyfriends or a roster of men, you are replaceable if your man or roster decides to leave war fine with someone.
Can we get one more?
Your youth won't last forever, and the wall always wins.
Michael donated 30.
Please go back to putting the instance of the panel in the description.
Yarvin slacking on it, SMH.
Thank you for that.
Appreciate it.
Michael Jones donated $30.
OF girls are all brain rotted.
Don't even understand the joke.
Brian, are you aware that babysitting is one of the fastest growing jobs in 2025?
How do you do it?
What is this podcast become?
What's going on?
Yeah, what?
It's just crazy.
Wait, can you guys just fully take the wrappers off just so it's not continuously making the way?
Bro, just leave it.
You can leave it alone.
Do you see that?
No.
Oh.
It's like.
That's orange.
Are you colorblind?
No.
Look, I'm looking at like the mucusy shit on it.
Oh, that's just.
Oh, that's normal.
That's fine.
That's normal.
Is that normal?
Yeah, she's British.
She knows what she's talking about.
Wait, what do they call these in like Britain?
Like, is this?
It's not.
This is an ice lolly.
Ice lolly.
Yeah, ice lolly.
What earth do you call it?
Popsicles.
Oh, that's silly.
I like ice lolly.
That's silly.
Ice lolly.
I love that.
I'm gonna call it that.
Silly.
Can you say silly goose?
Silly goose.
You think so, that asks?
Do you have a tattoo of a goose?
I get a lot of hate.
A lot of people say I don't feed my guests.
We got cookies back there.
I got way too many cookies back there.
Have we got octopus?
There's octopus.
They got popsicles.
They're very good.
What's good of protein that is as well, octopus?
Yeah.
Just saying.
So I take care of my guests, you know, water.
Energy drinks.
Energy drinks.
Oh, boy.
I've been criticized about the food situation on the show.
Last time I was so hangry by the end.
Yeah, that's bad.
All right, we have a.
Oh, guys, get it.
Okay, here's what we're going to do.
We're going to do a few pre-show notes, then we're going to get this wrapped up.
So if you guys want, get, I guess, final call.
Not final call, but like here.
Guys, get some TTSs in if you want.
I need some more, what is it?
Wait, was somebody else supposed to lick a window?
Me.
Oh, but nobody sent this shit.
We all just lit the window just for guests.
Yeah, so they got, you know, they got a.
I love how I keep offering it.
It's like I really want to get it.
Please let me know.
No, go for it.
$300.
All right.
On your firstborn.
So on your firstborn son.
Going to Alana?
I mean, that's her name for it.
Oh, why you got to put it in cursive, bro?
Alana?
Is that your name?
Yes.
You wrote, you had a crazy two-man that went very wrong.
Wait, get screwed into the table.
We can't see you.
She.
Uh-oh.
I apologize in advance for the story.
It was nothing personal.
It was just your personality.
So I guess it really was personal.
Were you there?
I love the other.
Yeah.
Sorry, dog.
Um, yeah.
It was so I am not telling the story.
Come on, you got this.
I had a friends to see this guy from like Snapchat or something.
This was before I had a boyfriend.
I would just like to preface with that.
Thank you.
Yes.
Mind you, I live in the woods.
Mind you.
And I was home alone.
So I was like.
Wait, a little closer to the mic.
I was a little nervous about it.
He was coming over.
And wait, what is a two-man?
It's like a date.
A double date.
Double date, basically.
Double date where you have sex.
Okay, no.
That's not what she meant by that.
Because there was no sex involved.
Well, that's what I've known.
Two-man's.
No.
It was just two, four people going on a day.
I guess werewolves.
Instead of just the double-mans are typically referred to as just like a double date.
Like a.
Oh, yeah.
That's not.
That's not what you call it.
No.
Okay.
Well, that's what she meant.
It's like a double date where you guys both have sex.
I have five bodies, so that would be fine.
Insane.
Um.
It's lowly stuff.
Yeah.
Anyways, so then Eve calls me and she's like, hey, what you doing?
Want to hang out tonight?
And I was like, yeah, but I'm seeing this guy.
But like, maybe we can invite another guy.
And so I called.
I called one of my like older guy friends.
And I was like, hey.
Closer.
Wanna join this or like want to come hang out with us?
And you could be for Eve.
Oh, which is like, which is like messed up.
At the end of the day.
Can I retell this, please?
Yeah.
Oh.
You should tell it.
Yeah, I'm right now.
Oh my god, I spent quick side.
Basically, she used to talk to this guy.
And when I say talk, I mean like situationship.
Like they were kind of flirting or whatever.
And this guy wanted to hang out with her.
And basically she was like, yeah, I'm down to hang out, but my friend Eve is here.
Do you want to come talk to Eve?
And I'll have this other guy come.
So basically, two guys who she was talking to at the same time were there.
She wanted me to flirt with one of them.
In my personal opinion, this man was not for me.
I was very disappointed.
So I sat in the corner and I sang into the karaoke machine the whole night.
And yeah, that's a good question.
And then I left.
And then I left because he was awful.
He kept on trying to touch me.
And I was like, don't touch me.
You know?
It's not that great of a story.
I didn't put the story in.
So it was like a double date, basically.
Basically.
But it went terribly wrong.
Did you guys smash her now?
Well, she left.
And then both of the guys were like at me.
But the guy that came over when he got here there, he had a girl on his lock screen.
So I was like, and he was like, oh, yeah, I have a girlfriend.
I was like, what the fuck are you doing here then?
So, and then the other guy was just like freaking out.
So then I had to kick this guy out because he had a girlfriend.
And then I was stuck with the guy that I brought for her, which was okay.
He's a good guy, but like.
What is this story?
Holy shit.
And you said your first relationship, you were homeless together.
That's romantic.
It was very romantic, actually.
But like, what?
Kind of crazy.
I mean, it was romantic.
That's not something to be romanticized.
Well, it's something that what intensely gone from.
I mean, we weren't homeless.
We like, we ran away together because our parents wouldn't let us see each other.
So a bit different to homeless, but it's not.
Yeah, so how long were you?
How long were you guys homeless for?
Honestly, it was just two weeks.
Were you guys on the street?
Yeah, some of the nights.
Some of the nights and some of the nights we'd stay at like other people's houses.
Were you like by virginity on the beach?
Which is kind of crazy.
That sounds like a terrible thing.
We were both water signs.
Oh my god.
Spiritual me.
We're both both of you were water signs.
So fetch.
It was very good.
People say that stuff.
That's so cool.
You're both water signs.
Like Sagittarius Rising, or I don't know.
That's a fire sign.
I don't know.
You said your hot take is being single can be easier.
I wrote that when I was drunk.
I didn't know what to say.
Oh, shit.
Okay.
Oh, but honestly, sometimes it can be.
I think sometimes it's just simpler recently.
But I think it's important to know the difference between like how was I going to put this?
It's important to know the difference between like standing up for yourself and just like pushing people away.
And yeah.
Wow.
That was beautiful.
Thank you for being vulnerable with us and opening up to us about your virtual life.
Did you lose your virginity also in the homeless when you were homeless or was that before or after?
I mean, we, okay, we weren't actually homeless, but like we could have gone home and I think we stayed at his house a lot, but we'd get like kicked out because they'd find us and like and we'd have to like run or like walk and then walk to like a park or like the beach or something and like we'd make camp.
But yeah.
And has anybody else here of like a kind of interesting unique way they lost their virginity?
I have a story actually.
I have a story.
Anybody?
No?
I lost my virginity to teen romance by Lil Peep.
Unfortunately, it wasn't really my choice.
And there was a disco ball involved in my room.
And I just remember being like, holy shit, this sucks.
Like if this is sex, I might a disco ball.
I had like one of those little, like from the 90s, it was my mom's.
It was like one of the.
Yeah.
One of those.
I'm trying to figure out how to describe it.
It's like a light on the inside.
And then each of the holes have different colored.
And so it like looks like a disco ball, but it's not an actual disco ball.
Wow.
Yeah.
It was a really bad experience, though, is my point.
It was like very cringe, very like corny.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, very corny.
I lost mine.
It was a Halloween party.
Okay.
So it was like in costume type.
It's not that.
What do you mean?
I was dressed as Vegeta from Dragon Ball Z.
And she, I don't even remember.
I don't know.
She's like a sexy cat or some bullshit like that.
I don't even know.
Boring.
Yeah.
Are you proud that you like lost virginity in costume?
Very proud.
How old were you when this happened?
I actually, I keep that costume.
And sometimes I put it on and I look in the mirror and I look myself deep in my own eyes.
Got it.
And I say, I just say, I just, I nod.
You did it.
I do an affirmative nod.
Like, good job, Ryan.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's but it's that's I've been celibate since then, and that was like the Bush administration.
It was like 2007.
So you had sex once, and then you were celibate.
Yeah, that's right.
How old were you?
In a Vegeta Dragon Ballsy costume, what?
How old were you when you lost?
Oh, I was like 17.
Yeah.
And here's what's crazy: she was, she was, I was in high school, she was in college.
Nice.
Yeah.
Did she know that?
But you were in high school?
Probably.
She was an absolute cute.
I think she probably knew.
Oh, she knew.
But you were a full costume.
That's true.
How would she really know?
Yeah, she's like, that's Vegeta.
Yeah, she thought that was Vegeta.
So, yeah.
It would have been better if she was like in the Bulma costume, but we can't all have like, you know, dream scenarios.
Okay.
Michael Jones donated $30.
This is for you.
I want to hear the Brits say you're owning it.
Why?
Oh, do it, but why?
You're ruining it.
God damn it.
Coastal operator donated $30.
Boys, I think we are witnessing Brian's transition into a feeder.
Brian, if Chair 5 licks a window, I will not be held responsible for the hazmat cleaning it will require.
Harry Poota donated $29.
Redhead wannabe Jimmy Weasel of herself.
Filthy little mud blood.
Be honest, Brian.
What happened to Maddie?
Did you murder her?
She's lying in a Santa Barbara ditches on cheat.
Yeah.
Confess.
She is donated $30.
You're feeding them Red 40.
That's it.
Is that bad?
What is Red 40?
It's like a food colour.
It's okay.
It's okay.
They'll be a little bit more.
It's like fucking hot cheese.
I think.
Coco Mo donated $30.
In some parts of Australia, we call popsicles by jingos.
Cheers, Brian, for not totally losing it on today's podcast.
I lost it at the beginning.
This panel is why a lot of men prefer to be single.
Cheers, babe.
Lost it at the beginning a little bit.
Thank you, Kokomo.
Thank you.
I'm digging this homeless neck for you.
Is that a compliment?
It's like homeless chic.
Yeah, like homeless chic.
Bohemian, I'd call it.
She is, yeah, she's a trendsetter.
Pasty George donated $30.
What else is there to say to women like these?
Absolutely nothing.
Why?
Because most of these women are cooked.
While they think things are fine now, IT won't be for them later in life.
Oh, sorry.
I've got free houses.
I do just voice.
Casual.
Think for the 20.
It is below the threshold, though, but she probably sees that.
Thank you, casual.
We have casual gem.
Selena, can I have you read this one?
If my girl ever comes home with that multi-colored tongue and no makeup, I'm just going to assume she was stuck in orbit for nine months and not strolling the whatever streets.
What the heck?
Is it actually impacting the tongue color?
Is that doesn't look like it.
I don't know.
All right, thank you for that.
RKO fan, thank you for the 30.
Can I have you read this one, Selena?
Yep.
Chair six is gorgeousness and gorgeous.
Was that even?
Oh, wait, I'm gonna have Felicity read it.
Felicity?
Well, wait, hold on.
Go ahead.
Chair six is gorgeousness and gorgeosity and incarnate in female form.
Not trying to simp, but her simp, but her hair is on point.
Outfit is adorable.
All the little poses and the way she rubs herself, nine out of ten.
I prefer modesty, but she's still really pretty.
I think that's quite nice, isn't it?
Stop it.
Please stop.
I'd be pretty happy.
What can I say?
Wait, what the hell is this?
Felicity, can you read this one?
The only reason why Brian likes Big Labia is that he wants to use it like a flesh jacket to sleep in.
Brian equals marsupial.
But question for the ladies: how successful as a man will you be objectively if you transform no female?
I see the question.
So if you transformed into a man, how successful would you be?
Is that the I think that's the question?
I think I'm more successful as a woman.
I can kind of agree with that.
I mean, I feel like social media, it's a lot easier to make money on social media.
But like, as far as the schooling that I'm going to and like my career, I feel like I'd do the same.
True.
Yeah, true.
That's valid.
Wait, what was there?
There's a question.
Oh, Eve, you were telling us about the homeless thing?
Dating as a homeless person?
Not Eve, sorry.
Alan, huh?
Oh.
Is that the name?
Oh, my God.
OMG.
I was just like in a trance.
I was just young and in love.
And I was like, yeah, if I can't see this man, like catch me on the streets, you know?
You were protesting.
Yeah.
Has anybody here had sex with a homeless person?
Probably.
Probably.
Yeah.
What did you?
The body count you said it was like 300?
It's quite a few.
I used to.
What was that?
It's a clip from 300 years.
I used to be on seeking arrangements many years ago, so I lost count when I used to do that.
But one did end up buying me a house.
So we're going to get to that.
Yes, yes, yes.
Tell us about that.
So you had a sugar daddy buy you a house.
I did.
Tell us.
It was the only and first one I ever had.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to press that.
Brian, my manchill on the octopus go for the sushi Haley gives off major Jerry Harley well vibes.
Oh, I love her.
Smiley face emoji.
Yo, Rolar, thank you.
Oh, nice.
That was my favourite spice colour.
Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you there, but no, that's fine.
It's definitely an interesting story, isn't it?
And I'm quite, I have no problem telling it.
I had a sugar daddy for a few years, about five years ago.
It went on, you know, it was, I'd see him like once a week.
And by the end of the arrangement, when it kind of came to the end, he wanted a girlfriend, and that just isn't what I wanted.
I just was quite happy with the arrangement as it was.
And he said, I really want to see you do well.
I've grown very fond of you.
And with the way it is at the moment in the UK, it's really hard to get on the property ladder.
So I would like to gift you that.
I would like to buy you a house.
Originally, I thought he meant I'll get you a mortgage.
And no, he said he wanted to buy me a house.
Yeah, but was it like in Essex or some shit?
No, it's in Cornwall.
It's in Cornwall where I live.
It's like the very south.
No, no, no.
So you know the leg of England is at the very bottom of the UK is where I live.
I'm from London, but I live in Cornwall.
So house prizes are quite expensive there.
So like Liverpool?
No.
So have you heard of Devon?
Manchester?
No.
So it's even further down.
Middlesbrough.
So that's, so London's here.
Yeah.
Manchester's here.
Cornwall's down here.
You can't get any further.
How many pounds was the house?
£200,000 at the time.
So I just was like, I know it sounds crazy, like it's too good to be true, but he really did just do this for me as a gesture of goodwill and he didn't expect anything for it.
And actually, he was a really lovely person, obviously.
And there was no ill feelings.
You know, I still, you know, I spoke to him after that.
It wasn't like I just cut him out.
And it's not like he was saying, I'm going to buy you a house, but you have to do this.
It was, I want to do this for you because I like you and I care about you and I want to see you okay.
So, you know, some people get given a house by inheritance.
I got given a house by a sugar daddy.
So it's kind of like inheritance.
I love it, isn't it?
How many different sugar daddies have you had?
He was the one I had for the longest and like the most serious.
But I met up with guys a few times off like the Seekin' Arrangements website and I'd go and meet them in London and we'd go to the theatre or we'd go and you know go to a restaurant and that would be like just a nightly thing.
But this was like a long-term arrangement.
He knew exactly where he stood and so did I and I never felt disrespected.
And if I did, I wouldn't have done it.
It's that simple.
I've never done anything that's made me feel really uncomfortable.
How many different sugar daddies have you had, would you say?
Couple, like a dozen or yeah, I'd say, yeah, I'd say about a dozen.
Men that I've met for like arrangements kind of thing.
Oh, so that's like full, is that full-on prostitution then?
Some of them I had sex with, some of them I didn't.
Some people wanted a girlfriend experience.
Some people wanted, wanted, you know, wanted to go to a theater and then follow it up with a good fucking.
So, you know.
Yeah.
Sounds so proper.
Some of them were very good looking.
I'm not talking like really hideous old men.
And it was very nice parts of London.
And I was to be honest, I was doing exactly what I would have done for free on a date.
That's what I was doing.
But I was getting paid a lot of money to do it.
What's like the going rate?
I would get about three, four thousand pounds a night.
Would that be for the date plus the sex or just like?
No, that was just like the whole thing.
That would just be like from the minute I meet them till the moment I say goodbye.
Yeah.
And how many of these specific experiences you said your body counts like around 300?
Like, would you do you think half of those of the 300 was like the escorting or whatever?
I've been sexually active since I was like 16 and never really had a lot of boyfriends.
I'd always, you know, it was a bit of a slut actually when I was a teenager.
I just, you know, did what I was doing.
That's what we do.
We have fun.
But however, yeah, I'd say half would be kind of work related, should I say?
What's the most you've ever been paid for like an escorting thing?
What for like a going away doing slave?
I got paid £15,000 to go to Hawaii for 10 days.
15,000 for and the whole trip was paid for and we flew first class.
That's a bargain there, isn't it?
Oh, it's an absolute bargain.
Yeah, straight in there.
Okay.
Oh, and I didn't fuck him once.
Didn't fuck him once.
I know that might be very hard to believe.
This is the same guy that bought me a house.
Oh.
So this is.
The guy bought you a house and he, so what he used to do is he used to be honest to God.
This was an on and off thing for two years and I can say now I had sex with him.
I could count it on one hand.
I would count it on one hand.
He was the most timid, respectful, like he literally, I swear to you, he just wanted company.
Like he was happy enough to just have me come to these lovely places.
We became friends.
He was a very lonely man and very timid.
And I bought out something in him that Was different, you know, and actually, yeah, he did probably want to have sex with me a bit, but then I said that I had something wrong with my ovaries, so got out of that.
Um, and jail-free guy, was it how old was he?
He wasn't that old, to be fair, for sugar daddy.
He was probably like 48, which I think's quite a attractive or absolutely not.
But um, was he a white guy?
He was, yeah, white guy, yeah, okay, lovely guy, absolutely lovely, including the like $200,000 for him to buy you a house.
Yeah, how much total would you say he spent on you?
And you can like factor in, like, okay, this gift, this bag was like a thousand.
So, I used to meet him every once a week, and he used to give me a certain amount of money.
And then, every time we'd go to like Barcelona, Hawaii, you know, the Alps or whatever, it would he's probably he probably gave me, he definitely gave me over a million 100%.
Yeah, yeah, damn.
But, you know, I've done a lot from what I was given.
The way I was helped, I released equity from the first house that I had to buy another one, and then I'm just about to release equity from that one and buy another one.
So, I'm like, I've got, I've got my head in the game.
I'm okay.
I'm using it wisely and creating a future for myself.
Got it.
I think I'm actually pretty clever, to be fair.
Can you tell us like the next like number two and number three guy?
Like, that guy you just talked about, he was the number one in terms of how much he's given you.
Yeah, can you tell us like how much number two gave you and number three?
Uh, honestly, there wasn't, um, and he was really the only sugar daddy that I had.
You know, everything else was, you know, just it was basically high, high-class escorting, I suppose you could call it.
Okay, I consider prostitution to be someone that stands on a street corner offering blowjobs for $50 to help their drug habit.
I think that I did this my free will and you know, I didn't need to do it, it wasn't funding anything.
I chose to do it because I'm a bit of a hustler, I like money and it didn't hurt me, it didn't affect me mentally.
I don't have nightmares about it, I don't, you know, I'm not disgusted at myself for doing it.
It's probably the oldest trade in the book, really.
So, I it doesn't doesn't hurt me at all to talk about it, and it doesn't hurt me to think about it.
So, okay.
Um, and then you said you were a yacht stewardess for a period of time, yeah.
Uh, were you engaging in like any of the escorting while on the yacht?
No, okay, no, I never did that because that's you know, that's strictly that's two very different lives.
Did she go down on a lot of girls?
Do do that, though.
A lot of girls do, like on the side, kind of you know, with the billionaire owners and whatnot.
But I was very professional on the boats, you know, and I had to be.
So, I'm gonna get to your notes here now, Michelle Mitch, Mitchell, Mitchell.
What did I give you?
What was your nickname?
Mitchelson, Mitchelton, Mitchelton, Mitchelton III.
You have a tattoo that says better off.
Did you get that after the not boyfriend?
No, was that before the guy?
Yeah, okay.
Better off from what?
Um, better off dead.
Oh, I love that noise.
Crickets.
That's uh, okay.
Got a little heavy there.
With uh you're loved.
Nice to say you're welcome.
No, you're loved.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Mitchelton, we love you.
Yeah.
Oh, that's so cute.
Mitchelton.
Mitchelton.
Such a cute name, isn't it?
Mitchelton.
Wanted.
Okay.
On your Instagram, I saw you had a shirt from, I think, the Color Daddy podcast that said dump him.
Oh, no, it's Juicy Couture.
Oh, okay.
Dump him.
Did you buy that after the non-existent boyfriend?
No, they sent that to me because I make content.
And that was like one of the options.
And I had an idea.
I had an idea because I had a lollipop in there.
So my caption was, you suck.
I like that.
I think that's pretty cool.
That's why I chose that shirt.
Yeah, I was like, now, you also said in your notes here that you have a three-month rule talking stage.
What does that mean?
Oh, I don't like have it.
I think I had a question in there.
Like, do we, do people do that?
Like, is.
Oh, okay.
You don't have the three-month rule.
I mean, obviously not.
You'll hit like first night.
No.
Oh, okay, my bad.
No, three-month rule is, like, do you break up with them, like, after three months of talking?
Or do you just, like...
I thought it was, like, you don't sleep with the guy until three months.
I think that could be it, but I was referring to like a talking stage.
Usually at three months, things go wrong.
Like typically, that's where it comes from.
It's like wait around for three months before you commit anything because that's like shit.
Or like, I mean, how long should it take for a man to cuff you?
Like, if three months is if he doesn't, that's what I was referring to.
What's it called?
If he doesn't.
Like, if he doesn't cuff you in three months, do you leave him?
Or do you still stick it out?
And like, is three months too short?
That was like my question.
I mean, honestly, if the guy is not interested in a relationship with you within the first month, it ain't like he's not that interested.
Like within the first.
Like, yeah, you can tell if you want to date them or not, but you can't start dating them.
Well, let me put it to you.
At least most people wouldn't.
Sure.
Let me put it to you like this.
If you've been, even if you would think, hmm, this is the third date.
It's way too early to have a conversation about, hey, like, I really like you.
Do you want to be monogamous?
Do you want to be exclusive?
Do you want to be in a relationship?
You might think that's too early.
But if you bring it up and he's like, if he's kind of iffy about it, he's probably not that into you.
Yeah.
I mean, you can play the waiting game and maybe he'll come around.
That happens all the time.
But honestly, if a guy's really about you, like he might be about it from the, from the get-go.
First, second, third date, he's about you.
If you're three months in and he's like, he doesn't, he's not, he doesn't really like you, I think.
Like that.
Yeah.
He wants to keep you around because maybe he enjoys your company a little bit.
He wants to have sex with you.
The sex is good, whatever.
But I don't think he really sees it long term.
You think this is like what all men think?
Oh, no, not all men.
Oh.
Not all men.
But if you're three months in and you're like, hey, so can we not fuck other people?
And he's like, eh, I want to fuck other people still.
It's probably, and basically it's almost like a suppose an ultimatum to some degree.
It's basically like you're saying, I want monogamy.
If I don't get monogamy, this is over.
He's like, you're not worth having monogamy with.
I'd rather, I want to keep you around because whatever, sex and we have a good time.
But I also want to fuck other women.
That's probably not the guy for a long-term relationship.
Sorry.
Putting you on some game.
But I mean, look, but some guys might have a longer vetting process and they might be considering you for a long-term relationship.
But honestly, I feel, I think, I mean, look, I could be wrong.
Maybe you guys have different experiences.
I think like the relationships where it's like almost, it doesn't have to be like the first date, but really early on from the jump, from the get-go, it's like, we both like each other.
Like, this is it.
I think those tend to be the most solidified.
I mean, with my boyfriend, like, we asked each other, like, what are you looking for on the first date?
Sure.
I feel like it's pretty fair to be open and honest.
Like, there's definitely been dates where I've been like, oh, I'm not looking for a relationship.
And it just like leads to no one getting let on.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
Like, I feel like you shouldn't have to wonder.
Yeah.
I mean, I think it's a good conversation to have early on.
But to you, you also said you don't support hookup culture, Mitchelton.
It's a turnoff for you if a guy has a lot of bodies.
You're not, but you said you're not slut-shaming women for participating because women were fed that it's women empowerment to do it.
But in reality, it has the opposite effect and harms women more than it empowers.
But you do slut shame men?
No.
I mean, like, I don't, like, really care that much, but it is kind of a turnoff when I'm like, oh, you have 100 bodies.
Like, I could see that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it's only because I don't have a high body count.
So then, you know, I kind of prefer it if a man that I'm with doesn't have a high body count either.
Okay.
I mean, to the rest of the girls of the panel, if a guy told you, I mean, I think it's weird for a guy to tell you, like, say that, especially if it's in a bragging way.
But if a guy told you his body count was 100, would that be an issue or no?
Has he been tested recently?
Yeah, let's say he's clean.
Okay.
Sure.
Let's say he's clean.
I don't think I've got a right to not be okay with that.
Sure.
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If women don't want to date a guy because he has a high body count, I think that's perfectly fine.
But you're saying it's slut-shaming.
You're not slut-shaming women.
No, I'm not judging women for it because like they got indoctrinated.
Yeah, you know how like feminism is like, oh, you should like hook up with like whoever you want and do all this.
And it's kind of like disguised as woman empowerment.
But I feel like in reality, it kind of destroys women.
I mean, I think certain women can do it.
Like, for example, like if you have OF or you're a sex worker, I think those women can do it, but it's fed to people who like don't do it.
And then they like, you know, can't handle all of that.
Or I feel like it kind of destroys them.
The first part was pretty based.
So.
What do you mean?
Oh.
That's awesome.
There you go.
Well, you're just saying, yeah, like, okay, feminism is basically there's this whole thing like, oh, yeah.
It's called like white feminism, I think.
White feminism.
Yeah.
Like.
White feminism.
Like white girl feminism.
It's just like that girl next to you.
She's a true feminism.
It's just like feminism that is presented that makes it seem like it is, but it's actually not.
I see.
So, I mean, I totally agree with you.
I think that there's like this social narrative that's basically, hey, you should like have all these sexual experiences and it's empowering to sleep with a bunch of different people and like take control of your sexuality and all this stuff.
But I agree with you.
It like tends to do quite a bit of harm.
Women will put themselves in potentially like unsafe situations.
And so I do think it's a good point.
I literally did just let the microphone in.
I saw that she was right to the topic.
I got to disinfect.
I'm the wind day.
Got to sort that out.
I'm going to let some gross come through on this, but hold on.
I'm just going to be like, that ginger one's a slag.
Andrew Tate donated $30.
That is definitely a problem.
Question for the ladies.
Which is better?
A key that opens any lock.
Or a lock which is opened by any key.
Men, stop simping.
Accept me, I'll continue simping.
Ladies, get in the kitchen.
Oh, for fun.
Very Andrew Tate of you.
That was definitely Andrew Tate.
It was definitely him.
Yeah.
No, I didn't.
So, which is better?
A key that opens any lock or lock which is opened by any key?
Key that opens any lock.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There are actually compelling rebuttals to this, like the female-centric analogy that are kind of actually causing rebuttals.
Thank you for that.
We have Boo here.
Question for the ladies.
Question for the ladies.
Since supposedly women prefer experience in the bed, what would you do if you found out your date was a virgin?
I would talk him through it.
But I mean, he's probably not going to help with the whole climax.
I mean, I feel like none of my other guys have, so it wouldn't really matter to me.
I'd be dope if it was like a virgin who did that.
It weighed me out a little bit too fast.
I think I'd like to do it.
How do you know?
How are you doing?
Okay.
You just gotta like.
So, wait, just show of hands, would you be fine dating a male virgin?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Fuck no.
Depends if I like really like him or not.
Because if I don't, then I wouldn't want to be the one to do that.
I mean, yeah, I have to be invested if I'm going to like teach someone that, you know?
Teach someone what?
I don't know.
I feel like you have to give instructions.
If I gotta, like, talk him through it and coach him through it, I want to like pay someone.
Did you say that's a turn off for you?
If you gotta, like, tell the dude.
I'd hope that he has like an idea of what he's doing, you know?
But like, I guess if he's a virgin, he's just never been there.
Yeah.
So you gotta give instruction.
And I wouldn't say that that's necessarily a turn off, but it is a lot of like effort.
But he's probably watched some really dodgy porn.
And then Pasty George donated $30.
Any number of houses will never beat the wall.
While you may have someone your sugar daddies for now, they will eventually find someone younger.
I don't have any anymore.
What are you on about?
Cut my houses.
Alright, mate.
Smalls donated $30.
Do you know the difference between a baby and a feminist?
Eventually one grows up and stops crying.
Thank you, Smalls.
Do you know the difference between baby and a skip one?
Buggers destroyer donated $30.
Good looking, but none got baby face here.
Stop insulting babies, please leave them alone.
Behave a grown-up and fly out at Ely Lou.
Oh underscore 07 salute Brian Andrew.
Winquake at Felsity.
How do I take my eyes off you?
Oh, wow.
Toast donated $30.
Thank you, Toast.
Prostitution is considered the actor practice of engaging in sex acts in exchange for pay.
Of even falls under the category, you had sex in exchange for pay.
You wrote the dictionary, did you?
Nice.
While I donated $30, this is towards Hayley.
Did you enjoy Jerry Halliwell's solo albums or just the Spice Girls?
Did you follow?
I'm just curious, would you date a 40-year-old massage therapist?
No, I was a bit upset when she went so late, to be fair.
Oh, we're wrapping up right now.
Here, final thing: can you guys just take your makeup off?
Can everybody just like take their makeup off?
Are these like good fortunes?
Yeah, they're honest as like top-notch.
Last week, Neutrigina, I was like, I don't know.
Why do we have to take it off?
I mean, people can see the real us.
The real, yes, we want to see the real, the real you.
I'm gonna do it.
Oh, is Selena's gonna do it?
Okay, if you need two, we got more, so just saying.
All right, there it is.
Honestly, this helps.
I forgot my makeup wipes.
We're all saying, I gotta wait for my flight to it.
Let me do it, all right.
Will you hand it to me?
Are you guys struggling over there?
What the hell?
They're struggling.
This is too long to say.
Hit refresh.
Okay, Dave, this is an Astable.
Okay, I'm just gonna.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Oh, no, it's done it.
It's done it.
You just need to pull this bit.
All right, I'll do some final shout-outs here.
We have like a few notes from Eve, and then we're wrapping.
Guys, like the video, please.
Like the video, please.
Also, drop us, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
Drop us a follow on the Prime Sub if you have one.
I need another one, too.
Yep.
Drop us a follow on the Prime sub if you have one, guys.
And then go to our Discord, discord.gg/slash whatever.
And then Venmo Cash App, whatever pod.
And then final call, guys, $30 TTS, $30 TTS if you want to get one in.
We're going to get this wrapped up in like five minutes, hopefully.
You need more?
This is easier.
There's none.
Transfer.
I almost.
Oh, shit.
I forgot.
I was going to say, like, what if we had people do the half?
What?
Can we get that third one, please?
This is out entirely.
What?
There's one right there.
No, there's one right over there.
Oh, yeah.
You guys pass that.
What if we just had people take off like half?
Half the face?
That would be interesting.
Maybe next time.
Half an eyebrow.
There you go.
Half, half, half, half.
Okay.
Let's see here.
Okay, Eve's notes.
Then we're wrapping.
I need to get people out of here, Pronto Tonto.
So, Eve, in your pre-show notes, you wrote, You drove, you once drove seven hours to meet up with this guy.
Oh, did you already tell us?
Oh, no.
Oh, you drove seven hours, over seven hours, to meet up with this guy that you had been talking to.
You had originally followed his friend that he is in a relatively popular band with, and instead he reached out.
The first trip went so well that my friends and I decided to drive again back to LA for their show.
After the show, his older brother pulled me aside and told me he wasn't worth my time.
His brother, or you weren't worth his time.
His brother proceeded to diss both his brother and his friend that yours.
Oh, he wasn't worth my time.
Wasn't worth your time.
His brother was on my side and was like, Oh, okay, my mistake.
And then after that whole ordeal, he ghosted you for three months, and you guys are now best friends and strictly platonic.
Yes.
Oh, that is true.
Did you have carnal knowledge?
Sorry.
Did you have carnal knowledge with him?
Did you have intercourse?
Oh, no.
No, actually.
he was very innocent when we even when we were like and is innocent okay i that see that's what i said but we didn't align there Can you guys hold up the makeup wipes to the camera right here?
Oh, that's good.
Let's see the damage.
We're going to see the damage.
Okay, starting on this end.
Wow.
Okay, Selena had to double fist the makeup wipes.
And Alex is, she's still working on it.
That's a lot of damage there.
Okay, not much here.
Not too much.
That's like a Selena's still, okay.
She got paler.
She got a couple shades paler.
I'm so wait.
Hey, your forehead's all fucked up.
It's because I tan my neck down.
I don't tan my face.
That's what's makeup for.
That's real.
You said another time you were working at your old barista job when an older man came up to the counter.
He'd been singing to while cleaning up before he walked up.
He said nothing other than handing you a business card and 600 bucks.
Turns out he used to have a pretty big career in the music industry working with artists like Whitney Houston, Bruno Mars.
Did you ever touch bass with him or no?
I did very, very briefly.
He was not my type of person.
And that's all I have to say on that.
Has anybody anybody else here had the story where like some random dude just like gave you money?
Yes.
Yeah.
Really?
Do you wait?
So, what, Felicity, what's your story?
Literally, the other day, some guy just gave me $1,000.
Wait, just like cash?
No, like, he sent it to me online.
Oh, and he was actually a fan.
What?
Yo, what the fuck?
Yo, who the fuck?
Who was it?
What was his name?
I don't know.
I don't know.
He wasn't using it.
It was like a fake name.
But he sent me $1,000.
I saw you on the whatever podcast.
What the f?
Am I getting a cut, Felicity, or what's up?
Oh, hell no.
Am I getting a cut girl?
What the fuck?
Yo, wait.
Damn.
Yo, whoever sent that shit, you need to pay a simp tax.
A fee.
Whoever sent her a thousand, you gotta pay me a simp tax.
You gotta send me an Ethereum.
Wait, so you had another story of a guy sending you money?
I used to work on the Santa Cruz Wharf.
I don't anymore.
Don't try to dox me.
And people would just kind of hand me insane amounts of money.
I guess you could count it as like a tip, but I was tipped $500 one time for a burger.
Oh my God.
And then I'm going to take a look at the day.
I feel like a tip.
I feel like a tip, though, is a bit different.
Okay.
But there was just that guy you were working, and he just gave you $600.
That's right.
And then another time I did go out to dinner with someone and he was like, will you kiss me?
And I was like, no.
And he slammed $600 on the table.
Same guy, actually.
About the coffee shop.
Same guy.
So it was just another $600.
Oh, wait.
And I told him I wouldn't kiss him, but I still got $600.
God damn, bro.
That's pathetic.
I'm sorry.
That's crazy.
And then who else here said they had, like, dude who just gave the money randomly?
Well, mine was like, like when I was working bottle service, so I don't know.
It was kind of like a tip, but they didn't even have a table.
So, yeah, he just like handed me money.
I wasn't even doing it.
It was like $400.
It's not that much.
The fuck?
Yeah.
He doesn't even have a table or section.
You guys have, women have life on easy mode.
I'm sorry.
Like, do you know any dudes who have had stories like that?
Yes.
Really?
Yes.
Like some hot shot music producer female just like, oh, here's $600 to the male barista.
I don't know, like, that specific.
Like, no, I don't know anyone.
So, what's the story of the guy who just got money?
My friend used to do lives all the time and people would just Venmo him.
No, but that's extreme amounts of money.
Not for anything, just he wouldn't ask for it.
But that's different because that's like a form of patronage.
Okay, I guess, yeah.
Like, this, in your situation, you're working at the coffee place, and he's just like, here's $600.
I do know that, like, one time my guy friend was out and about, and this, like, older hot mom paid him for a date, but I don't know if I mean, I feel like that's kind of damn jiggle.
That's crazy.
And wait, was there anything else on that?
No.
Okay, you said when you were a freshman year of high school, you were introduced to a guy through mutual friends.
You end up hooking up on and off for all of high school.
Whenever you guys were on, he swore that you're the only person he was seeing.
You ended up catching major feelings for this guy and naively, excuse me, believed him.
Five years later, I ran into a girl at a party that he had introduced to you as his friend back in high school.
You and her ended up figuring out we were both seeing him at the same time and you never found out.
This is the like millionaire dude or whatever.
No, different guy.
Different guy.
You said you're still friends with this guy and see him anytime he's in town and you still haven't confronted him.
No, I have not.
I feel like it's kind of obvious that he was seeing other people now in retrospect.
You know, he was like, I think my second body.
And so I was still pretty naive and inexperienced.
And I really liked him, and I guess that was my bad.
But yeah, I was at a party, and this girl was like, Oh my god, you're Eve.
And I was like, Oh my God, you're that girl.
I couldn't remember her.
And then she was like, Yeah, you used to hang out with Kyle.
And I was like, Yeah, I'll say his name.
I was like, Yeah.
And then she was like, Oh my God.
Wait, we were talking to each other at the same time.
Like we were talking at the same time.
And I was like, Oh my God.
He told her that I was his best friend.
And me and the same.
Damn.
Good times.
Good times.
Are you in the girlfriends?
We don't like dislike each other at all.
Like at all.
Like I'm a girl's girl.
We follow each other on Instagram, actually.
But I don't see her often.
Like that was the first time I had seen her and you know, like I didn't recognize her.
So was this before the millionaire dude or after?
This when I was seeing the guy.
Well, you said there's like a guy in high school who you dated for like three years who's a millionaire.
Yeah.
Or parents were rich.
So this was before, I guess.
Before.
I might have been in eighth grade when the guy in this current story and I started talking and we were off and on and so was that three-year relationship.
They were over.
How old were you when you got your you said this was your second body?
You have to keep in mind I was off and on with this guy.
So the first time we were on and the second time we were on, we didn't have sex.
I think.
Well, how old were you when you first had carnal knowledge?
In general or with this guy?
In general.
In general, I think I was 15 about to be 16.
So this guy played the waiting game.
Okay.
Yeah.
Actually, that's really.
Okay.
I guess final question on this.
And whatever.
I'm just going to move on.
If the math isn't math, I think it's because they were both off and on.
If that's like.
Oh, so you were seeing them like in between each other?
There was crossovers.
There was one crossover.
There was one crossover.
But I wasn't seeing both of them at the same time.
It was just they were like, I had just broken up with that guy.
Okay, this is the final note here that we have, and we're going to get this wrapped.
Final call, $30 TTS.
You said hookup culture has ruined modern love and makes people feel embarrassed, ashamed after catching feels when in reality, having sex and spending every day with someone makes it very hard for at least one person not to fall.
Although you do believe you can be platonic and hookup, it just comes down to the people involved.
Generally speaking, it almost never ends up with both people feeling strictly platonic.
Yeah, I stand by that.
I think, like I said, being open and honest, like from the get, and this is what I want, I think that's really important.
Sure.
Especially when it comes to like situationships or whatever we want to call them now, friends with benefits.
I think it's really important to be open and honest and then keep on checking in, you know?
Okay.
Well, that's it for that.
I'm going to let these two chats come through.
Then we're going to go to the next one.
George donated $30 to the Women WH Show removed their makeup.
Thank you.
I appreciate women without makeup, including perfume.
Perfume and scentsagritate my nose and throat.
Ladies, you look just fine without makeup.
We don't do it for you.
The sale operator donated $30.
Brian, I know who Taylor Drift is.
He asked me in the chat for her info a couple shows ago.
Didn't see him in chat tonight, though.
Yo, tell him he owes a sim tax to the whatever podcast he needs to.
Tell me he owes the symptax.
So, all right, we have, I think this is the last one coming through.
All right, boom.
All right.
Harry Puta donated $30.
Ginger Spice is a Grim Gotskull digger.
Wingardium Leviosa, you filthy little muffler.
What a lovely one to leave it on, though.
So, call to action.
I'd like to end the show by seeing if we can't use this moment as an opportunity to give a call to action.
Would you three, you, you, and you, consider stopping sex work entirely tonight?
Absolutely not.
No.
Yes.
What's it going to take?
Well, I mean, if that's something I really wanted to do, I could stop.
I mean, like, if I'm with somebody and like I decide that I don't want to do it and I'm just like regular, like ready to be done and just be with them and like frolic in the hills, like I'm, I'm, I'm down to do that.
Blake, are you single?
Blake, um, so Blake, my producer, he's single.
You're single.
He's ready.
I'm.
This is an arranged marriage.
Do you accept the proposal?
No, no.
Is it because he's white?
You only like date?
No.
Actually, my last boyfriend was white.
He's half black.
Blake is half black.
Race doesn't matter.
Huh?
Race.
Wait, your last boyfriend was what?
Was white.
Oh.
I just had a really weird thought.
I'm sorry.
Have you seen Attack on Titan?
Yeah, yeah, the movie.
Yeah.
Look, this is going to sound really fucked up, but hear me out.
Maybe, yeah, just we'll change the split.
So you should, can you smile as big as you can for me into this camera right here?
No, I don't want to.
So I feel like, look, I'm not trying to advocate for like you doing like some sort of like fulfilling fantasy type shit or like any sort of like OF stuff.
I think you could do like some sort of attack on tight end cosplay and maybe like I think you can make a lot of money.
I'm just saying, I'm look, I that might seem offensive, but I'm looking out for you, girl.
Like I think you could really succeed in like the attack on tight end sex worker niche.
You know what I mean?
Cosplay is huge.
Yeah, cosplay is huge.
Like I'm just saying, like throw on.
Wait, oh, Blake, can you Google the female Titan bodysuit?
Let me.
Well, she's not a.
I feel like she's not one of those Titans.
She's one of the.
Wait, fuck, what are they called?
Who here has seen Attack on Titan?
Oh, this is yes.
Oh.
No, but she's not the.
She's more like one of the.
What are the normal Titans, chat?
Chat, what are the normal Titans?
What are they called?
Do you know?
Oh my God, you Loki would look so good in that.
No, but I don't think you're not blonde, though.
No, I naturally am blonde.
I dye my hair black.
What are the normal titans, chat?
Hello?
Attack on Titan?
Hello?
You look like a mixture of like, do you know Kendall from Dance Moms?
I do.
Kendall and then Jane from Breaking Bad and then like Tana Mongeau.
Tana?
Yeah.
I see a little bit of Tana.
Tana?
That's such a behavior or like the way you look.
The smiling Titan.
Can we get like a big smile?
It's good because my smile's too big.
Big here.
Big smile right here.
The smiling Titan.
Your smile is gorgeous.
I'm just saying, look, I'm not in favor of like sex work or that.
I'm just looking out for you.
You know, I'm looking out for you.
Yeah, you could.
Would you consider camming sex work?
Yes.
Wait, do you have it, Blake?
You got the smiling Titan?
Okay.
Tana Mojojo.
All right.
So I fucked with that.
I need to go.
Oh, okay.
Anyways, so, Gig.
Just a titan.
Oh, what the?
Gigi?
Well played.
Last call, guys.
Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
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You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
I appreciate that.
Thank you to everyone who so generously super chats, donates, and supports the show.
We couldn't do the show without you guys.
Oh, just leave it.
Just leave it.
Just leave it for now.
We couldn't do the show without you guys.
So thank you guys so much.
We're viewer supported.
We don't get sponsorships.
Half our stuff gets demonetized.
We will be live again Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
Any girls who want to be on the show, you can DM out with her on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara.
Let me just double check here.
Oh, I apologize.
There's like three chats coming through.
My bad, guys.
And then we're rapping.
He donated $30.
If I was seriously dating a girl and she accepted $1,000 from a random man on the internet, she'd be single the next day.
How did your boyfriend feel about that?
Really quick answer.
likes it did you i hope you bond like a no steak or something No?
Did some dude send you a thousand dollars and not even, what the hell?
He didn't really care.
Oh, shit.
I re-triggered my bed.
Here we have these coming in.
We got these.
And then we're going to wrap.
Say his name.
Sorry, guys.
One sec.
It's loading.
But 07's in the chat, guys.
There's four chats coming through.
Then, as soon as they come through.
Greetings from Bulgaria donated $30.
Bulgarian girls are the most beautiful girls in the world, and Selenu is the living proof.
Selena, how is your Instagram handle?
34-years old Bulgarian self-made crypto billionaire asking.
What?
Prophila donated $30.
Y'all are a bunch of Misandreith women with Luth Coochie energy.
Nice.
It's Selena to A's Slay.
Is he a 34-year-old Bulgarian self-yoke operator donated $30 to that guy?
Brian, it's Balakay.
Say his name right.
Balak?
Wait, what?
Blake.
Balakey?
Oh, I haven't seen it.
I'll have to check it out, though.
Pasty George donated $30.
Chair 4.
Last one.
Technically, you did remove your makeup for not only me, but for the show.
But okay, remain obnoxious and delusional.
To the rest of the ladies, thank you and good night.
Yo, Pasty, thank you so much for that, man.
Wait, greetings from Bulgaria.
You said you're a crypto billionaire.
Prove it.
Drop an ETH right now.
Prove it.
Drop an Ethereum.
In the description, we have our ETH address or whatever.
Drop an Ethereum.
I also accept Bitcoin.
If you don't have ETH and you have just Bitcoin.
Drop it.
Bulgaria, Bulgaria?
Yay, Bulgaria.
Do you know the national anthem?
Okay.
All right, guys.
Like the video, kindly, like the video.
And I think just double checking, make sure we got everything.
All the chats are good.
Okay, guys.
07s in the chat.
07s, good night, guys.
Good night.
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