Whatever Podcast - ONLY 4 SHOWS LEFT? She USES Men?! FEMCEL? CHARGING For Dates?! Wheelchair Dating!

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ONLY 4 SHOWS LEFT? She USES Men?! FEMCEL? CHARGING For Dates?! Wheelchair Dating! | Dating Talk #218

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	My name is Allie Corvin.
	I am 27 and I just moved to Santa Barbara.
	And I am a professional dancer from my wheelchair.
	All right.
	And where were you from prior to SB or where you grow up, I guess?
	In the Central Valley of California, so I'm like from the Fresno area.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	And you do wheelchair dancing.
	Have you ever done any stunts in your wheelchair?
	I mean, you would have to define a stunt, but yeah.
	I actually am ambulatory, so I have the use of my legs.
	I'm very blessed to have that.
	But it means I push the boundaries of dance in a wheelchair and what that means.
	So we actually have a show this weekend.
	I don't know if I can say what it is, but we have a show this weekend happening in Santa Barbara.
	And wheelchair strip shop?
	Absolutely not.
	Oh, well, I thought you could.
	Maybe that's why you couldn't say it because it was of an adult nature.
	More like children are involved in the show, totally opposite of what you were have at it.
	Probably.
	You can create all kinds of scenarios up here, I'm sure.
	But yeah, I've done that.
	And you said you do have function of your legs, but so, and you said, what was the term you used, ambulatory?
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	Ambulatory just means like you have walking capacity in some fashion.
	So like 75% of wheelchair users have some capacity to walk.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	And have you been in a wheelchair your entire life?
	No.
	I've had my wheelchair for about four years.
	So 2020 is when I finally was officially able to get a wheelchair.
	They are expensive, and to get insurance to cover one is crazy.
	Okay.
	And I think I saw on your Instagram it's due to a.
	Is it a genetic disorder or what it is it?
	Yeah, I have a genetic condition and I also have a TBI, so sorry to hear that that's okay.
	Yeah, what white male traumatic brain injury?
	Yeah oh yeah okay yeah, did you get into a fight with somebody else in a wheelchair and they knocked you?
	Unfortunately, it was not that cool.
	I've been like in all kinds of accidents, never got a TBI.
	I've been in a train accident when I was younger.
	A train, I was literally in a train accident.
	We hit a strawberry truck.
	It was very minor, a strawberry truck of all things, and it smells so good and we were tortured.
	You think it would have been like less intense if it was like a blueberry truck, like I wonder, because blueberries are smaller.
	So I feel like you know, smaller truck, maybe the truck smaller, package smaller, or the the blueberries would dampen the impact, maybe a bit for sure.
	So how much mobility do you have without the wheelchair?
	So like, mobility is like a relative term, so when I'm like, I'm capable of standing walking, running is not gonna happen, or I look like a baby deer, but if I were to dance out of my wheelchair, I would not last more than 10 minutes before dislocating every joint in my body, dikes yeah, which recently happened, is so fun, okay.
	Well, this train accident I love that, that's what you're saying.
	That's like the 1800, like that was.
	It was the Amtrak, fucking Amtrak, and that's caused.
	That's caused mostly and primarily by a genetic problem, the disability, not the train accident.
	Thank goodness we're getting off.
	The train accident yeah, I was like in the third grade, but anyways yeah, the genetic condition I have several genetic conditions, but like the main one I have causes joint dislocations daily and then I have all kinds of other crap that comes with it.
	So yeah, sorry to hear that.
	All good, I'm not.
	Yeah, what about you?
	Hi, my name is Nikki.
	I'm 25.
	I'm originally from Cambodia and I was adopted and brought to Northern California and I moved to LA two years ago and I'm an exotic dancer, if you know what that means.
	Yeah, any school college anything, going back to you, any college at the moment?
	No, I wasn't previews.
	Did you get associates?
	Or I didn't get an associate I think I'll qualify for like, the certificate thing for dance.
	All right, what about you?
	My name is Riri.
	I'm 19.
	I'm currently a pre-law student.
	I also do wheelchair dancing on the side.
	So it's really fun.
	Wait, wait.
	Your name is what?
	Riri.
	Riri.
	R-I-R-E.
	Is that your actual birth name?
	Absolutely not.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	I was like, wait.
	Okay.
	I was just curious.
	Age?
	Sorry, I missed that.
	I'm 19.
	19.
	All right.
	And you are also in a wheelchair.
	I guess what's the backstory there?
	How long have you been in one?
	I've been in a wheelchair for 10 years now.
	I was paralyzed when I was eight from a failed surgery.
	What was the surgery?
	A spinal fusion.
	Okay.
	Was it a genetic thing for the no?
	I had scoliosis, so like a normal people thing.
	And then the doctor just like cut wrong.
	Yikes.
	And it was a.
	That sucks.
	Did he pay out?
	The bastards pay out or what?
	No, not really.
	No, that sucks.
	He's not practicing anymore, so you know, that's good.
	Sorry to hear that.
	And just curious, you were, you said you were 10?
	I was eight.
	Eight, okay.
	And were you like experiencing a lot of pain due to the scoliosis?
	Not really.
	It was just bad enough to the degree where they would want to.
	I don't actually have like the curvy scoliosis like that.
	I curved forward, so it's not really like life-threatening or anything, but it can cause heart problems.
	I see.
	And then the doctors made a determination that this would be like the best course of action.
	And then the doctor made an error in the surgery.
	And then that was at eight?
	Did you just get it?
	Yeah, I was eight.
	I was reparalyzed at 16 from transverse myelitis, which is a really, really long way of saying I got mono, and then it killed my spinal cord.
	Damn.
	I don't.
	Okay, maybe you could back up just briefly for me.
	So, eight years old, you have this catastrophic corrective surgery, a mistake happens.
	At that point, you are paralyzed from the waist down.
	I was only completely paralyzed in my feet.
	I had some function left in my lower legs.
	It was at an L4 level that I was paralyzed from that surgery.
	So I could walk with like heavy, heavy bracing or like a walker, but I used a wheelchair primarily.
	Okay, and so then at 16, this you get mono, right?
	And then, you know, that's it.
	Isn't that called the kissing disease?
	Uh-huh.
	Anyway, so you get mono, and then that further deteriorates your spinal cord.
	Is that yeah, I'm not paralyzed at a T10 level, which is a lot higher.
	It's about like belly button down-ish.
	Where was the fusion?
	The L4.
	L4 was where I was paralyzed from.
	They didn't actually complete the fusion because they, it was medical malpractice, but damn.
	Yeah.
	That's wild.
	Yeah.
	Is this, I mean, so that was like 10 years ago?
	Yeah.
	Is this, do they still recommend spinal fusions for people who have like your like allergies?
	Yeah, it's both things that happen to me are like very uncommon, do not happen.
	Like it's still a lot.
	People get them like every day.
	And there's nothing, there's nothing corrective that they're working on currently that can fix this?
	No.
	Spinal cord injuries have like some weird like holistic treatments that people look at, but they don't always work.
	Maybe some people, but nothing yet.
	Well, AI.
	You know what's crazy?
	I had a back injury and I went to see an orthopedist and he wanted to do spinal fusion L5S1.
	And I like did some research.
	Like, I went in, he just did x-rays.
	He's like, Yeah, we could do a spinal fusion.
	And, like, luckily, I went to see some other doctors, and they're like, Well, like, you do have like a structural issue, but I mean, something like 50% of people who get spinal fusions, there's no improvement after a two-year period.
	And oftentimes, they can, there can be complications with the surgery, make the pain worse.
	Some people go in for like minor back pain, they come out paralyzed.
	So, sorry to hear about that, though.
	That's uh fucked up.
	And, anyways, um, school at all, or yeah, I'm in school.
	I'm a pre-law student, pre-law, okay.
	And you're at uh local city college or no, I'm online currently.
	Okay, all right, what about you?
	Hi, my name's Cassie.
	I'm 31.
	I'm a mental health advocate, and I live in New York currently.
	All right, and uh, any uh, schooling or anything like that?
	Um, I went to school for psychology.
	All right, you got your bachelor's or master's or anything like that?
	I dropped out, okay.
	Associates or not even okay, what about you?
	My name is Darkavia, I'm 23 years old, and I really don't do anything but I babysit.
	That's what I'm doing.
	You don't do anything?
	No, are you a neat?
	What's that?
	Uh, it's like it's a term for not in employment, education, or training.
	Yeah, no, no, you're you're a neat, no, I'm not a neat, so okay, because you do babysitting, yeah, that's it.
	How often do you do babysitting?
	Uh, like, probably like if I'm lucky, three times a week, three times a week, okay.
	All right, uh, did you go to college at all?
	Or no, okay, I didn't.
	You an elementary school dropout, or high school, high school, you dropped out of high school?
	No, oh, you finished high school.
	Oh, yeah, and then um, and you're in LA, you said you live in LA?
	Yeah, I live in LA.
	From LA?
	No, I'm not.
	I'm originally from Chicago, Chicago, yeah, sorry about that.
	Um, respectfully, the shy rack, sorry, yeah, yeah, Chicago sucks, yeah.
	You're close, kind of, right, Andrew?
	Very close, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	All right, what about you?
	Um, I'm Milena, I'm 22, I'm from LA.
	Um, I'm a personal trainer and a Reiki practitioner.
	Oh, Reiki, yeah, what's that?
	What is Reiki?
	It's a type of energy work.
	There's really no scientific evidence behind it, it's kind of more of a spiritual belief about energy work.
	Okay, yeah, this revolves around the various chakra points on a person, and you can use it for the purposes of healing, for centering, for consciousness, all of these types of things, correct?
	Yep, you explained it perfectly.
	Andrew's a Reiki, Reiki, Reiki, he's a Reiki master.
	No way, yeah.
	So, if you want like a tutorial, like he charges, he's like really hot, like high up there on the totem pole, though.
	So, like he charges like 300 an hour, like, but it's worth it.
	Yeah, like if you want to school for it for a year and then got certified with the Reiki master certificate, are you a Reiki master?
	Have you opened your third eye yet?
	Um, I mean, when I meditate, I think it's pretty open, you know.
	I don't think that I'm always in that state, but that's the goal for sure.
	Okay, all right.
	Uh, and uh, just the Reiki, like any college or just the Reiki stuff?
	Um, over the summer, I just finished at National Academy of Sports Medicine to get my personal training certificate.
	All right, cool.
	What about you?
	Uh, my name is Jay Hannah, I'm 33 years old, and I live in Hollywood, California, Los Angeles.
	All right, what do you do for work?
	I work for Instacart full-time.
	I buy groceries for people.
	All right.
	And any college?
	I went to college back home.
	I went to the University of North Dakota, which that's where I grew up.
	I grew up in a very small town in middle of nowhere.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Did you get your bachelor's degree or?
	Yeah, I have a bachelor's in journalism.
	In journalism, all right.
	Very cool.
	What about you?
	My name's Luna, and I'm 26 years old.
	Currently, I am an exotic dancer, and I make personal clothing.
	I have my own little company.
	You said 23, right?
	26.
	Oh, 26, excuse me, sorry.
	And what's the nature of the, you said you do OnlyFans 2?
	No, just exotic dancing.
	Just the dancing.
	Okay.
	Any college or anything like that?
	I did go to college for a little bit for psychology, but I am actually planning on starting a pharmacy so I can become not a pharmacist, but eventually I want to become a psychiatrist.
	All right, cool.
	All right.
	Andrew, would you like to introduce yourself?
	Yeah, my name is Andrew Wilson.
	I'm the host of The Crucible.
	It's a popular entertainment channel on YouTube.
	I'm a political analyst, a political satirist, and I engage in conversations and various debates and things like this all over the world.
	And I appreciate you girls coming onto the panel tonight and engaging in this conversation with us.
	All right.
	Welcome, everybody.
	So we're going to go around the table once more.
	What's your current relationship status?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And longest relationship.
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	I am currently in a two-year-long relationship.
	We're polyamorous, but not practicing polyamory right now.
	And my longest relationship was nine years.
	Longest relationship?
	Nine years.
	From what age to what age was the nine-year relationship?
	Oh, goodness.
	I was 17 when we started dating.
	We were high school sweethearts.
	And then, oh, gosh, that would have put me at 25.
	25?
	So you pretty much got right into this current relationship immediately then?
	Yeah.
	It was.
	After the breakup.
	Yeah, there was crossover.
	Oh.
	I have a couple questions.
	Can I just have you scoot your mic this way a little bit?
	So.
	A crossover, not cheating.
	No, not cheating.
	Okay.
	Actual polyamory.
	I'm assuming the nine-year relationship was polyamorous.
	No, actually, it was not.
	It was monogamous.
	It was monogamous.
	Okay.
	But there was, when you say there was crossover, can you explain?
	Yeah, the nine-year relationship was on and off.
	I don't feel like that's always necessary for the story, but for this, I guess it is.
	But I met my current partner during a break, which I thought it was going to be the last of it.
	And her and I reconnected, and we tried a last hurrah, if you will.
	And then, yeah, it just didn't end up working out.
	She was kind of on the fence, if you will, about polyamory and decided that it just wasn't for her.
	It was very respectful, and I wish her the best.
	And your orientation, you're bisexual, correct?
	Yes.
	Pan?
	Sure.
	What do you prefer?
	What do you prefer?
	Anything.
	I just, I don't, I don't date cishet men.
	Your nine-year relationship was with who?
	Yeah, I don't need name, but like, was it with a woman?
	It was with a woman.
	A woman.
	And the current relationship is with a woman, correct?
	We're just not going to talk about that one.
	It's been asked that I don't mention about my current relationship.
	Oh, I mean, out of respect, I'm sure.
	I don't need details, but is it a woman?
	I'm assuming it's a woman.
	I think you said it was a woman.
	Sure.
	It's a trans woman?
	You're not picking up what I'm putting down.
	So anyways, I'm just not going to talk about microphone.
	I'm not.
	Sorry, I'm a man.
	That's okay.
	I'm a cish-het man and I use words.
	That's okay.
	I don't read subtext.
	There's just like a, out of the respect of my partner, I'm not going to discuss their gender?
	Gender, yeah.
	Sex.
	Correct.
	Okay.
	Indeed.
	Well, I appreciate you respecting the wishes of your partner.
	Why don't you date cishet men?
	Because I'm not attracted to people who are born with male privilege.
	that is an interesting one you're not attracted to people who are born i thought you were going to say penis but uh you're not attracted to men who are born with male privilege Correct.
	When you say, I have a couple questions here.
	When you say they were born with male privilege, wouldn't this include transgender women?
	Typically, yes.
	I've never met a transgender woman that I was personally attracted to.
	Could it happen?
	I'm sure.
	But it just has not happened for me.
	But you said you would date somebody who's trans.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it would have to be the miracle unicorn of all trans women.
	But you would have to preclude them because they were born with male privilege.
	Yeah.
	Typically, I'm not attracted to trans women due to the being born with male privilege thing.
	Despite despite their current lack of male privilege being a transgender woman.
	I respect them and I'm friends with transgender women.
	I just don't think that is for me in a relationship.
	Curious, why, what is it about male privilege that wants in terms of physical or sexual or romantic attraction that would preclude you from dating somebody who was born with male privilege?
	People who are born without male privilege actually understand what it's like to live life as a woman, whether they are a woman or not.
	See, that makes sense, Brian.
	For instance, I'm not attracted to people who have parking lot privileges.
	I mean, I have a handicap placard, so I guess we wouldn't get along.
	I guess not.
	I don't like people who have parking law privileges.
	I think that that's gross, and I'm just not attracted to it.
	That's all for you, man.
	Yeah.
	That's interesting.
	So can you elaborate a bit more, I guess?
	On not being attracted to male privilege?
	Yeah, yeah.
	You were in the middle of explaining it, so I was more curious.
	It just comes down to how I explain my sexuality.
	That's like the easiest, wittiest nod that I give to like why or what my label is, I guess.
	Is there any intersection when it comes to like, do you, do you give, I suppose, like, let's say there's an intersection of like they're like they're black, they're black male.
	So they do, they were born with male privilege, but there's an intersection whereby they do.
	You're saying because they have another minority basis.
	Therefore, am I attracted to that?
	There's a vertical of like societal disadvantage.
	So like in my personal history, I have primarily been around Hispanic, Asian of sorts, and white people.
	I can't answer on would I be attractive?
	I'm not a black person.
	I didn't say I've never met them.
	I just said that's primarily what I was like surrounded by when I was like actively dating or looking.
	Okay.
	I don't think that it's going to change anything for me personally, but I also don't think that like the world needs me in the fish sea.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like there's plenty of fish in the sea.
	People say that all the time.
	Sure.
	I don't need to be an option.
	is the ultimate thing here the privilege component though like somebody who's born with like and it just comes down to like how people behave whenever they were born into male privilege When you're raised a certain way, it's like, sure.
	Does that have to do with male privilege?
	Have you dated white women before?
	No.
	You've never dated a white woman?
	No.
	Asian woman?
	No.
	Why is that relevant?
	Well, my follow-up question will make it abundantly clear why it's relevant.
	But so you have dated women.
	Yes.
	Okay, Asian woman?
	Because I said that that's what I was surrounded by.
	I'm just asking you a question.
	It's not a big deal.
	Black woman or Latina woman, or what are we talking here?
	Primarily Latina, just because that's like what was in my area.
	And I just moved.
	Just to be clear, I'd like to just make an establishment on the hierarchy of like where you like see privilege.
	So your position is that Latina women have less privilege than black men.
	No, I never said that.
	I mean, you said you disqualify people on the basis of their privilege, but if you would not date a black man, I'm assuming your position would be that black men have more privilege than Latina women?
	No, I think that's just you twisting it because you've never been.
	I'm not twisting anything.
	You said I don't date people with male privilege when they are born.
	Right, but then...
	What does that have to do with the color of their skin, though?
	Right, but we were like kind of looking, it wasn't, oh, just male privilege.
	So male privilege is like an across-the-board exclusionary thing.
	That's like the easiest way to categorize who I am not attracted to is people who are born with male privilege.
	So yeah.
	But like, if they transition, do they adopt male privilege?
	No.
	When you're born into a female body, you have to live without male privilege.
	When you adopt, like, that's not what I'm referring to of what I'm not attracted to.
	Like, yes, you gain male privilege, especially if you decide to transition and you're passing and all of those things.
	But I do think that you have an innate understanding for what it's like to not have it.
	Okay.
	And is it specifically male privilege or is it the privilege?
	No, male privilege.
	Only male privilege.
	So even if we were to do some comparison between like a given male and a given female, let's say that female has more privilege in like some verticals compared to the male.
	Like would you date a woman who's more privileged than a given man?
	Sure.
	I think it's like if you're born into a certain kind of privilege regardless of what it is, depending on how much that shapes you and like the basis of your understanding of the world, if you behave like an overly privileged individual, I'm probably not going to be attracted to that.
	Yeah, so let's, I would like to explore that.
	So like you're saying essentially it's specific to the maleness of the privilege.
	For example, like you would not consider like a Latina woman who's like her parents were billionaires and she's totally able-bodied and she has no like physical limitations.
	You would consider her to be less privileged than like a black minority male born in like Compton to like impoverished parents?
	I don't think that that is you can't equate those two.
	Like I would have to be in that personal experience.
	Which one's more privileged in totality?
	I don't think you gave me enough information to decide who's more privileged.
	Really?
	Specifically because you're giving me like these little notes of what they are and who they are and right.
	So just to be clear, I'll be right back.
	So like this able-bodied woman versus the black person.
	No, let me, let me, I'll give you, hold on.
	I'll give you the two criteria.
	I'll give you the two criteria again.
	Who's more privileged?
	Latina woman born to billionaire parents who's able-bodied.
	Yes, that is the answer.
	It is the obvious answer.
	Versus black man born in impoverished Compton.
	I completely get what you are coming at.
	I understand.
	So who has more privilege?
	She does.
	Okay.
	Overall.
	So then would you be willing to date the black male who has less privilege than I understand your position.
	I understand your position.
	It's just interesting.
	I haven't heard it before.
	Because that's still male privilege, right?
	Even if he was less privileged than the other guy, he would still have been born into a privileged position just based on societal standings.
	Yeah.
	So if you were in a culture then which was matriarchal, would you only date men exclusively?
	What the fuck?
	Don't read that.
	Go ahead.
	You can answer the question.
	Go ahead.
	Would I only date.
	Yeah, if you were born into a matriarchal society where women were the privileged ones, they were the ones who basically, you know, they had a monopoly on force and all these different things.
	If that were the case, then would you only exclusively date men?
	I don't think that I'm the right person to answer that.
	Only because my reason for not being attracted to male privilege comes down to like abuse.
	What do you mean?
	From my past.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	Well, I understand that.
	So, like, in a hypothetical scenario, let's say your situation is we end up the same exact way we are right now.
	It's just that male and female are switched.
	Sure.
	Like, that feels like a strange hypothetical, but I guess.
	It has nothing to do with appendages, if that's what you're asking me.
	So, the idea of what you're attracted to comes down, you think, to trauma, not by any sort of other external factor.
	I mean, I have no idea what would have happened if I didn't go through the trauma that I went through because I was so young.
	So, it's hard to say how it is for me personally.
	I don't think that trauma is the only reason why people are not attracted to males.
	However, for me, I don't think that I would ever be able to date someone who was born that way because of my trauma, if that makes sense.
	Like, I don't think that that's true for a lot of people, but for me personally, it's like a big stop-up mentally.
	Well, that seems different than the privilege thing, but yeah, and what so then I guess my final wrap-up on this because we got stuck on it right away, right?
	Even just in the intros.
	But just to kind of finish the exploration here, so you wouldn't advocate this as being prescriptive for other women that, hey, you shouldn't date men based along the lines that they're privileged, or no, not at all.
	Okay, all right.
	I'm gonna let just two chats come through, and then we'll get back to the relationship status.
	Ogle donated $200.
	Does chair one have EDS?
	If so, this is the second person with Layla's Danlos syndrome that's been on the show in as many weeks.
	Yeah, we had someone with EDS like a week ago.
	You have EDS?
	I do.
	Metro Matt, thank you so much for.
	That was Metro Matt.
	Or no, that was Ogle.
	I apologize.
	That's Metro Matt's about to come in.
	Ogle, thank you so much for the TTS, man.
	Appreciate it.
	There's some roasts coming through.
	I'll let this one go through, then we'll continue on.
	Metro Matt donated $200.
	Brian, it is nice to see you supporting Make a Wish with tonight's panel.
	Chair 5 hit my line.
	Andrew, can't wait to see the roast of the partner lady.
	Yeah, you know.
	Hey, you know, Make a Wish did actually reach out, and I'm glad that we were able to coordinate to get you two on.
	So, yeah, thank you guys.
	Really?
	It wasn't my wish.
	What's going on?
	What the hell?
	Well, Andrew, you're not.
	Where's all this privilege?
	Where's all this privilege?
	You know, actually, funny story.
	I don't think I've ever shared this.
	I had an illness when I was a child, and I got to.
	It wasn't Make a Wish, but I did go.
	I'm going to get this is going to be like get memed in the chat and for the Crucible.
	I did go to Neverland Ranch.
	Whoa, what?
	Wait, what?
	I got to go to Neverland Ranch back in the day.
	Yeah.
	I've never shared.
	I don't think I've shared that.
	I went to Neverland Ranch.
	Brian, did you have burritos for lunch, Brian?
	No, but there's like a bunch of free candy and stuff.
	But yeah, no.
	I don't think I was really into Mexican food when I was like 10.
	Was it bedtime when the big hand touched the little hand, Brian?
	No.
	You know what?
	I did get to meet Michael, and he was super cool.
	He was honestly, bro.
	I don't believe that shit, Andrew.
	I don't believe it.
	I think it's all bullshit, bruv.
	I'm 70% sure, though.
	I'm leaving a little room for, like, he did that shit.
	But yeah.
	I did get to meet Michael Jackson.
	Oh, we can't hear you, Andrew.
	Well, I was just saying, nice.
	Yeah, man.
	So I kind of got like half a make-a-wish.
	Yeah.
	So that was cool.
	You might have just kept that one to yourself, maybe.
	Bro, it's not.
	Bro, I don't care.
	He did something nice for me, man.
	Like, I got to, there was like the animals, the petting zoo.
	We got to see.
	There was a theater.
	It was a bit, there was like a roller coaster, a shitty roller coaster.
	It was very nice.
	It was very above the board.
	Where are you being for real?
	100%.
	What?
	Why?
	Is it an island?
	No.
	Yes, it's not.
	No, it's not.
	Michael Jackson is.
	No, I wasn't.
	Yeah, his house wasn't Jackson Island.
	This is off the coast of Mississippi, Jackson Island.
	It's actually an hour north.
	Okay, anyways.
	Relationship.
	Or really quick, finalizing on your relationship.
	The nine-year relationship, who finally broke up with who?
	It was mutual-ish, but she decided that she didn't want to be in a polyamorous relationship.
	Mutual-ish.
	Okay, gotcha.
	And all right.
	What about you?
	I'm single, and my longest relationship is two years because my exes are crazy.
	So if it was up to me and they weren't crazy, I would have way longer relationships.
	How long have you been single for?
	Like, I don't know, maybe like a year or more.
	Like, nothing really serious since those last two crazy relationships.
	Okay.
	Like, I'm really traumatized.
	Last two relationships?
	Yeah, it was two.
	Two-year relationships.
	Both of them, I had to leave them, like, escape.
	Escape?
	Yeah.
	Like, I had to come up with an escape plan, and my work helped me.
	And my ex's sister helped me come up with the statement.
	Did you meet them at the club?
	No, this is before I was working as a dancer.
	I met this guy at Petco.
	Petco?
	I used to work at Petco.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And you've had two toxic relationships or more?
	I mean, two, like, really bad ones.
	And then, like, you've had toxic situationships also.
	Yeah.
	But now I kind of learned to stay, I know how to stay away from those after being in the what's the like?
	Common theme though with um maybe, uh well, mental illness obviously, like they're.
	The guys that I was with were very mentally unstable and I think you know I am too so that maybe that's why they're attracted to me or maybe i'm attracted to them.
	But yeah, what's your diagnosis?
	Oh, I have uh well, I was diagnosed with depression and anxiety.
	I probably have adhd, really bad um, and you like uh and I could be like people.
	Yeah, I could be like I. What do you mean could be?
	Because i've never, I haven't gotten diagnosed for that, but I definitely get very like, moody.
	I get very angry.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	But you've been single for one year, you said.
	Anything in that past year situationship?
	Yeah, there was a situationship with this guy, and he reminded me of my other exes because he would hit his dog.
	He was abusive, and I just couldn't be around that.
	So I left him.
	Ikes.
	Yeah.
	He's a dog.
	That's okay.
	And are there any guys in the picture right now?
	I'm talking to multiple guys because I can't.
	You got a roster?
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, not like, because I don't know.
	I kind of just got to keep my options open because anytime I try, I tried getting with this guy and he literally blocked me for no reason out of nowhere.
	And I don't understand why.
	And then he came back and then and then he blocked me again.
	So I'm just like, I just feel like I shouldn't even try.
	Yeah.
	Have you ever slashed a guy's tire?
	Tire is plural.
	This girl, this guy that I was talking to, I fucked up her car.
	I didn't do it.
	I had the homies do it, but they did it.
	So I mean, that's you doing it, right?
	Yeah.
	It was me enabling it.
	Yeah, the homies did it.
	What is the homies?
	It's a few of my guy friends.
	I'm not going to say who, but a few of my guy friends.
	Are you in a street gang?
	No, I'm not.
	But I know people who are.
	Were they in a street gang?
	I have some connects, but I'm not curious.
	Who do you affiliate with?
	I don't affiliate with anyone.
	Like, I'm just, you know, I'm just in my own situation.
	Is it the more blood?
	No, I'm not.
	More turning it on either.
	More Serenium.
	Like, which way are we going here?
	I'm not with any.
	Like, I just kind of, you know, people just help me when I need to do it.
	Teeny rascal.
	I don't know who that is.
	Okay, I don't know.
	Anyways.
	They just get the job done, you know what I mean?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And so you said you have a roster currently.
	How many guys are on the roster?
	Pretty much one because everyone else is in just the two.
	Exactly.
	That's why, because the one guy who I was trying to talk to, like, he ended up blocking me.
	So it's like he wasn't.
	So it's like, not really, like, I'm just talking to multiple guys, but I'm only having sex with one guy.
	But I'm talking to multiple guys.
	Are you going on dates with the other guys?
	I went on one date with a guy, but I haven't been on since.
	And I'm just don't even, I just don't even really want to do all that, you know, unless somebody's really serious.
	I don't really know.
	How long the guy who you are having sex with, how long have you been seeing him?
	A year.
	Oh.
	But you've been single for a year?
	So it's basically like a situationship because we're not labeled or anything.
	We're not together.
	Like we literally just fuck each other.
	Do you want a label?
	I mean, I did.
	I did in the beginning, but after seeing how he's been throughout the whole year, like he's very secretive, which I don't like.
	So he's also a dad.
	So, you know, I get it.
	It's hard to be with somebody like that.
	Do you have a type of guy?
	Yeah, I like, obviously, I like older guys.
	You know, it doesn't matter what their ethnicity is.
	I just like older guys.
	Older guys?
	Yeah.
	Like Social Security, like collection.
	No, no, not that old.
	Like my exes were 40.
	Oh, okay, 40.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That's like the oldest.
	Oh, no.
	You should, like, I feel like even like if you're toxic, once you probably get into your 60s or 70s, like you can't, like, can you even be toxic at that?
	You know what I mean?
	I mean, I guess.
	Like, I feel like you don't have energy to do it.
	I hope they wouldn't have energy.
	Yeah.
	Like, you can still be toxic, but I feel like it's the volume knob's just been turned down.
	Not that I've dated like 70-year-old gifts or whatever, but I could be more toxic.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Relationship status?
	I'm single.
	I've been single for like eight months.
	There was like a situationship.
	My longest relationship was six or seven months.
	Wait.
	Okay.
	Seven months.
	Was that the one that ended eight months ago?
	No.
	That was that ended about a year and a half ago.
	Okay.
	Who broke up with who in that relationship?
	She broke up with me.
	Okay.
	And then most recently, eight months ago, who broke up with who?
	There wasn't really like a breakup.
	I kind of just ghosted them because it was getting too serious.
	Okay.
	Wait, you ghosted them because it was getting too serious?
	Yes.
	How long were you seeing them?
	Like three months.
	Okay.
	And you don't want serious right now?
	Absolutely not.
	No.
	Okay.
	And orientation, you're bisexual or?
	I'm a lesbian.
	I'm sure there's like a guy out there that I would be with, but I just don't want to open myself up to that.
	Not in like a male privileged eye.
	Yeah.
	I don't.
	Fair enough.
	Like Brad Pitt, would you smash or?
	No.
	Johnny Debt.
	No, wait, hold on.
	Who's like a younger.
	I don't know.
	What's that guy from Dune?
	What's his name?
	Not Timothy Chalamet.
	No.
	No, not Timothy Chalamay.
	No, nobody likes him.
	Ryan Gosling?
	She's getting close.
	Like a little warmer.
	Okay.
	Troy Verner.
	Wait, what's his fucking name?
	That is Minnie Me from Austin Powers.
	Rest in peace.
	Like back in the day, like if he was still kicking.
	It might be too young.
	Troy, is that his name?
	Troy Verner?
	Like Leonardo DiCaprio without like all the weird things about him.
	Like young Leo or currently Leo?
	Young, young.
	Like Titanic Leo.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What about, like, Gilbert Grape Leo?
	I feel like...
	Have you seen that movie?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Like so he's like, not just like not like Leo's character in What's Eating Gilbert Grape.
	Like he was R-worded.
	He was R-worded.
	I feel like that would just be wrong.
	I know.
	You wouldn't date somebody who's.
	Should I just say it?
	Retarded.
	I know I said, I get the pass because I'm...
	I feel like at the cognitive level he was at, it probably wouldn't have been like respectful for me to do that.
	That might actually be.
	Yeah, I feel like that would be wrong.
	But you want, okay, like Leo Titanic.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I just have unrealistic expectations for men, I think.
	But without the, like, he only dates women below 25.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You think that's like kind of weird for him to be doing that?
	Extremely weird.
	He's like old now, right?
	He's in 2050.
	Yo, chat, how old's Leo?
	Too old.
	Leonardo age?
	50.
	He just turned 50 November 11th.
	That's like objectively much too old for me.
	Okay.
	And then lady, the panels, panelists, really quick on the Leo thing, what do you guys think?
	So he basically, he hasn't dated a woman over 25, essentially.
	He tends to date women like in their early 20s and he like conveniently, you know, maybe the relate, it's just circumstance, the relationships, and typically before or maximum at 25.
	I think it's okay.
	I think he should call me.
	All right.
	Cassie, Leo slides into the DMs.
	You gonna smash or what?
	No, he's not my type.
	Leo is not your type.
	Okay.
	We'll get into that in a bit, but so okay.
	In any ways, you date women, but if a young Leo without the age gap stuff, you're going for it.
	Well, in the hypothetical situation that he called me up now, I wouldn't say no, but it would still be weird.
	You would like go on a date with him.
	100%.
	He's like.
	You'd want to talk, just like for the, you know, okay.
	Cool, cool.
	For the bed.
	And then, Cassie, what about you?
	I'm single and I've never been in a relationship.
	I tried in my mid-20s after my diagnosis.
	Now I know it's a misdiagnosis, but that kind of like scared guys away.
	My mental health scared guys away.
	What was the diagnosis?
	When I was 51-50, during that time, I had an MRI done and they found that I had an underdeveloped amygdala and they diagnosed me with ASPD, which is technically psychopathy, even though I don't fit the diagnostic criteria for psychopathy.
	So in my 20s, I was diagnosed when I was 25, I think 2018.
	And when I was trying to date, I like disclosed to them my mental health, and they wouldn't even want to anything to do with me.
	And I tried Tinder and all that stuff.
	How does, so this diagnosis, the I have alexithymia.
	What's that?
	So I recently got, I'm seeing a therapist and a psychiatrist now, and they said that I have a condition called alexithymia, not ASPD, because I don't fit the diagnostic criteria.
	And how does this, I guess, manifest itself in terms of so I have an underdeveloped amygdala, like, I don't know if I could say this word, but like I'm 31, I've never had an orgasm, and I can't really like feel positive emotions because of my brain.
	But you said like the psychopathy component, like how would that manifest itself?
	Like you don't have empathy or what is that?
	I'm not saying that's the case, but what does it mean?
	I have cognitive empathy.
	I'm actually overtly empathetic, especially with the work that I do because I do homeless outreach in New York.
	But like, for example, my coworkers, like at the end of the day, they drink a lot to deal with what they do.
	And like they are like, why doesn't she want to go into a shelter?
	And like I'm able to like, you know, do more as far as like my job because it doesn't really affect me as much as it affects my coworkers.
	Okay.
	So there's, you said there's ASPD, you said also autism.
	Is that correct?
	Yes.
	So this year I saw a very good, sorry, very good psychiatrist and she diagnosed me with alexithymia.
	10% of the population has alexithymia, but it's mostly men.
	And a lot of women that are diagnosed with ASPD actually have alexithymia, but it presents differently in women than it does in men.
	Okay.
	And would this be a good classification for alexithymia?
	It's also referred to as emotional blindness.
	It's a neuropsychological phenomenon characterized by significant challenges in recognizing, expressing, sourcing, and describing one's emotions.
	Yes, yes.
	I don't know my internal emotional state.
	Like sometimes I, like my sister, she'll be like, you're mad, you're angry, just admit it.
	And I'm like, no, I'm not.
	But then like my hand is in a fist and I'm just like, you know, I don't feel the anger, but like my body, like my, my palms are sweaty, my heart is racing out of my chest.
	So like feelings present physically for me, not emotionally.
	And I tried, I got close to dating someone, but he fell, he fell in love with me.
	And he wanted to know if I loved him because he's Christian and I'm somewhat Christian and he wanted to engage in coitus like with someone that loved him.
	And I told him that I will, you know, treat him lovingly and I will respect him and I will do whatever he wants.
	But like I don't even love myself.
	Like I don't know what love is.
	And so he decided not to have sex with me.
	Are you also aware, as I'm kind of digging into this, there's no scientific consensus on the classification as a personality trait because lexithymia is so common in the populace that they don't even know how to classify it or if they can even be actually classified as a mental illness because there's just many people who have trouble associating emotions when it comes to other people.
	Are you aware of that at all?
	Yeah, yeah.
	So there's normative male alexithymia and then there's just alexithymia.
	Most men are alexithymic to some degree, but like and so are most women to some degree.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So it just like it makes doing the job that I do easier.
	Like I've because like I get so is this the equivalent of diagnosing somebody with being able to breathe, right?
	It's like most people can breathe, right?
	Yeah.
	So is that I mean is that really a classification for a mental disorder?
	It doesn't seem like it is necessarily.
	I don't like to think of myself as disordered.
	I don't like to think of myself as disabled by this.
	So I try to do the best with what I got.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	I guess a couple questions here when it comes to the diagnoses that you do have.
	Does this ever manifest itself in like outward violence, physical violence?
	When I was a child, but I was going to ask if it was like childhood.
	Were there.
	Demina, cut you off if you want to continue.
	What were you going to say?
	Well, so there was like when you were in elementary school, were there violent, physically violent incidences?
	Yeah, so when I was in, I went to like a specialized school that you had to take a test to get into.
	So there was, I got bullied, and then like I would basically like get my, you know, revenge, but like I wouldn't bully them back.
	But I don't do things like that anymore though, because yeah.
	And I mean, when it comes, because you say like the you disclose to potential like men that you would date that you have these disorders or whatever, or sorry, not disorders, that you have ASPD or psychopathy.
	No, no, it's alexathymia.
	Oh, excuse me.
	Sorry, sorry, my mistake then.
	I was misdiagnosed with ASPD.
	Like, how would if you were in a relationship, like, what, how would it negatively impact the relationship, if you can be brief?
	Well, for him, he, it didn't negatively impact him at all, but he could tell, like, after a while that I was masking, like, I was kind of like pretending.
	And then it started to affect him when he realized that I was just being a people pleaser.
	I wasn't really being genuine.
	But that wasn't because I didn't want to be genuine.
	It was because I was trying to be normal.
	Yeah.
	So when it comes to your relationship history, you've never had a boyfriend.
	So you, and you consider yourself what?
	I used to consider myself a femme, but I'm no longer a femme because I'm around like a lot of guys and some of them are interested in me.
	It's just they I don't want to be with someone that's more attractive than me.
	Oh, wait, so hold on.
	So you're no longer a fem cell?
	I can't identify as a fem cell because I have...
	Wait, but just like a week ago, you identified as a fem...
	Yeah.
	Yeah, this guy tried to have sex with him?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, I.
	Yeah.
	What is a femcell?
	Well, I mean, I guess there's different definitions.
	Do you know what?
	Do you know what a incel?
	Wait, there's a very easy way to describe this phenomenon.
	Have you ever heard of a unicorn?
	Yeah.
	Have you ever heard of a unicorn?
	Yeah, I don't really know what that means either, though, honestly.
	Most women are voluntarily celibate.
	Is that just gay?
	No, a unicorn.
	No, an actual unicorn.
	Oh, yeah.
	I thought this was like another weird fucking.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, no, I mean, an actual unicorn.
	People are using all these words.
	Yes, yes.
	Well, and you know how they're like mythological and don't exist?
	Yeah.
	That's a femme cell.
	Yeah.
	The majority of women that identify as femme are women that can't get access to a relationship and they tie a relation to sex.
	Well, let me just jump in really quick.
	So, okay, just to break it down here.
	Okay, so incel.
	It's a, there's a specific term for when you combine words like this.
	What's the term?
	An amalgamation.
	Or a compound word?
	No, not neither.
	I don't know what that means.
	There's a specific term for it.
	Jet lacked.
	Anybody?
	Everyone's failing to pop quiz.
	I don't know.
	What is it?
	Oh, by the way, really quick announcement, guys.
	There is a goal for super chats.
	If we get 50 $10 plus super chats, one of the girls has to read a full page of a Harry Potter Chamber of Secrets.
	So whoever's going to be able to do that.
	I got you.
	Yep.
	So, yeah.
	And then next week, I'll have Green Eggs and Ham and then Cat in the Hat 2.
	So guys, hit the goal so we can have a girl read a full page of a Harry Potter book.
	Okay, so okay.
	Let's see here.
	Oh, okay.
	So incel is short for involuntarily celibate.
	Got it.
	Yeah.
	So basically a guy, like despite his desire to have sex, like and despite efforts, reasonable efforts to get sex, he just like, he can't do it.
	Either he's really, he's either really physically unattractive or maybe it's his personality or his circumstances.
	Like he tries, tries, tries, like cannot get for the life of him a woman to sleep with him.
	Probably some of these guys describe themselves as incels, but they don't actually like try.
	In any case, just they try to get sex, they can't.
	A femme cell, a femme, my understanding of it, although the femme's have different definition, is a female involuntary, involuntary, oh my God, I can't say this.
	Involuntarily celibate.
	Okay.
	Which, and originally when you reached out, you did describe yourself not just as a femme, but as a female involuntarily celibate.
	Yes.
	So after.
	Oh, go ahead.
	So after I came out about my stuff, came out of the closet about being a neurodivergent person.
	Yeah, like I've had like a lot of men say that they want to be my boyfriend.
	So I can't, I can no longer identify as a femme.
	That is kind of precisely my understanding of the issue when it comes to women who claim to be or consider themselves to be.
	May I say something?
	Sure.
	So the women that I talk to, like they are like really, really crying over this.
	They feel like they can't get access to sex with men that they are attracted to.
	They can get access to sex with men that they are not attracted to, but they can't get access to sex with men that they are attracted to.
	And that's their, like, if they can't, excuse my language, if they can't fuck Chad, they don't want to fuck anyone at all.
	So these are women that like for like years have gone without sex and they feel like it's not a choice because they cannot sleep with a man that they are attracted to.
	They only voluntarily celibate.
	Yeah.
	That would be voluntarily celibate.
	If you have options.
	Yeah.
	If you just decide, well, I don't like any of those options.
	It's like saying that her person doesn't like food because he doesn't like the type of food you give them.
	Yeah, I've told them that they have options in like Discord and they will like tell me, shut the fuck up.
	You don't know what you're talking about.
	You don't, you're like, your belly doesn't hang over.
	You're coochie.
	And it's like, well, like these are women that are.
	Yeah, these are women that sometimes they are either big, beautiful women or they are not conventionally attractive.
	And I don't identify as conventionally attractive either.
	But I think the majority of them, they internalize the rejection from men that they want.
	And they get the ick from getting attention from men that they don't want.
	Like it makes them like angry.
	Damien, I'm going to have you pull something up.
	You're going to open the Dropbox.
	I think it's in the drop.
	Yeah, it is.
	Okay.
	Get the Dropbox going.
	Or sorry, not Dropbox.
	Discord.
	You're going to go down to the media folder.
	And then it's the third one down from the top.
	And then you're going to load that up full screen and okay?
	Do you have it?
	Third one down.
	It's the cartoon drawing.
	You have it?
	Yeah, and then just like open in browser and then show us that.
	So, I mean, this is essentially where the fem cell is.
	Is that fair?
	Is that a fair characterization of what a femme is?
	The majority of them don't look like that.
	But like the dynamics with like, here's all these potential suitors that are like, hi, I'm here.
	I'll have sex with you.
	Yeah.
	And they're like, no.
	Yeah.
	In Discord, some of the girls said that they don't date interracially or they don't date guys that are shorter than them or like they don't date guys that are whatever.
	And so for them, they don't feel like it's a choice because they can't get with the men that they want.
	You're no longer a femcelle.
	So because so I turned down a guy because he's just yeah, I can't be a femcell.
	I'm sorry if I cut you off early, but I can't be a femcell anymore.
	So it's kind of just being picky.
	But I mean, even before I feel like having standards, you weren't.
	Having standards would probably be better for just a type.
	So like basically the definition that you use essentially would apply to like almost all women because I feel like all women like complain about like, oh, here's the guy who will like fuck me but won't give me a relationship.
	Well these women are what you would what most people would consider below average in attractiveness.
	So they don't consider that.
	Yeah, even like attractive women can't always get like the relationship with the guy they want.
	Okay, then yeah.
	But in any case like the whole femcell thing, I just I think it's I mean using the definition like that's it's I don't know if it's modern daily or just like a totally shifting the gopost kind of but basically sell the term sell has to do with celibacy.
	So it strictly has to do with sex.
	So like this idea that you're a femcell and you can't get the relationship you want while you're using just the incorrect wording.
	Sell has to do with celibacy if like pretty much any woman even if she's like well below Her, like, if her looks are really below average, she can still get sex incredibly easy.
	It's uh, it's called a category mistake or a category error fallacy.
	I tried to tell them that, like, on you know, the various sites, and they will curse me out and they will tell me, Well, it's easy for you to say, and I'm like, What are you talking about?
	But I understand what they're saying because these women want men that they think are what you know they deserve.
	And I'm like, Okay, well, because I used to be 230 pounds, and I lost a lot of weight from my health.
	And I did see a difference in what people like me and what people liked me when I was bigger.
	And sometimes I say, Well, you know, you have to lose weight for you, don't lose weight to try to find a man.
	And they're like, Well, a guy has to love me how I am, which is true.
	But if you don't love you how you are, then like, how can a guy love you how you are?
	And I try to, you know, tell them like it starts with loving yourself, and they'll tell me to go myself, right?
	Okay, um, and you went on like soft white underbelly, correct?
	Yeah, and then you went on like some other YouTube channel and they like interviewed you and it got thousands of hundreds of thousands of views.
	Yeah, my cousin, um, so I'm I don't even have an Instagram.
	My cousin, um, she's been trying to get me clout from a MRI and a psyche valve, and I'm surprised that that could even get anybody clout, honestly.
	Yeah, okay, the hell are you talking about?
	I don't know.
	What the hell are you talking about?
	I don't know.
	Um, I feel like you can get clout from anything nowadays, from anything nowadays, but so okay, just to wrap this up here.
	So you used to identify as femcelle, but then you went on these shows, and like after being on these shows and talking about your difficulties and struggles when it comes to dating, I got a lot of emails from dudes.
	You were inundated with contact from men, yeah, and they were basically making themselves available for like a sexual encounter.
	Yeah, okay, so like what I think this would just immediately disprove that like a female involuntary, involuntary celibate can exist because I don't think like if a male incel like went on the show like this, that there would be like he perhaps he might, it's possible he might get some contact, but like it would be like how many, how many emails did you get from men?
	Hundreds, thousands, thousands, thousands, yeah.
	I could see like a guy incel maybe going on like one of these shows and maybe getting like one or two messages from a woman like willing to fuck him.
	Even then, I think it's very unlikely.
	So I just think that's kind of like interesting.
	And also this can be tested really easily.
	Like all you would pretty much have to do is like if a femcell came on the show, I would essentially just be like, would you like to have sex after the show?
	And then like, okay, cool.
	Oh, you wouldn't?
	Okay, you're no longer a femcelle then.
	So GG checkmate.
	Well, play.
	Boom.
	Roasted.
	Not you, not you.
	Just like, it'd be very easy to test this out, you know?
	So, um, anyways, uh, all right, well, thank you for sharing.
	Wait, what?
	Well, Brian, but but what if what if she was heinous and then said yes, right?
	Well, I don't have to go through with it.
	Well, but but then how could you actually know?
	Okay, then I'll go through with it just because yellow, whatever.
	How could you really know, right?
	Because then at that point, you're just saying that you think she would, right?
	But that doesn't mean you could.
	I could that doesn't mean you actually could, so then therefore perhaps she wouldn't actually be a femme cell.
	I think you'd have to go through with it, bro.
	Meet the kinds of donated $200.
	All these women telling these sad stories, and not a single one of them seems to care about Brian's traumatic trip to Neverland.
	It wasn't traumatic.
	The poor guy is hurting.
	I got your back, dude.
	Nothing happened, man.
	It was very nice.
	I shook his hand.
	I shook his hand.
	That was it.
	There were people around.
	Nothing happened.
	I'm sure you're a discount.
	Whoa, whoa.
	They wiped your memory.
	That was Macaulay Colkin, I think.
	Who, by the way, Macaulay Colkin, who was hanging out with MJ, said nothing happened.
	You mean a massive junkie drug addict checked into every sideboard on planet Earth, Macaulay Colkin?
	Who has clearly significant childhood trauma, Macaulay?
	Like that, Macaulay Colkin, you mean?
	Probably.
	We'll get the rest of the relationship status.
	So, okay.
	What about you?
	My longest relationship was five years.
	Are you currently single?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	I would say so.
	All right.
	Longest relationship, five years.
	How long have you been single for?
	About a year.
	Was that the five-year one?
	Was that?
	Yeah, that was my one.
	That was my three-year one.
	I've been in two long relationships.
	And I've only dated two people.
	So the one that ended a year ago, how long was that one?
	Three years.
	Three years.
	Who broke up with who?
	I broke up with him.
	And then the five-year one, who broke up with who?
	I actually moved to California.
	And so it was kind of like that.
	Yeah, but I broke up with him.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	Why did you break up with the most recent guy?
	I broke up with him because he is a cheating bee.
	He cheated on you?
	Yeah.
	Okay, question.
	Did he cheat up or down?
	Like 17 times.
	Oh, yeah.
	Like with 17 different women.
	Basically, because, but you have to also consider what you consider cheating.
	You know what I mean?
	But also going into someone's DMs and calling them beautiful, that's cheating for me.
	You know what I mean?
	Okay.
	So that's cheating.
	Well, was he sleeping with other women?
	No, he was going out and making out with girls when he's like, like, he was basically at work.
	Like, on his lunch break, he would have people make out with him on his like he was.
	Where did he work?
	He actually works at a weed company.
	He used to work for a weed company.
	So he's just making out with the lights.
	Yeah, like he literally, he was literally, but he's also a photographer.
	So he'd be like, oh, let's do a photo shoot.
	And then he would literally cheat on me with the girls he shot.
	Like, literally.
	And I'm like.
	Wait, you said he was j wait just making out?
	Or that's what he told you?
	That's what.
	No, okay.
	I literally know that he had girls.
	He's literally had a photo shoot with girls and asked that.
	He's asked them to give him head in their own car because he doesn't drive.
	So.
	This is not the right thing.
	That's my life.
	So yeah.
	Wow.
	Sounds like a winner.
	Dude, and it's like, yeah, no.
	That's why I broke up with him.
	You know, I went back a few times, you know, like, because he was like, when I moved to California, he was like the very, very, very first person I knew.
	Yeah.
	Like, he was the very first.
	And I, we met through Instagram before I moved here because he's a photographer, right?
	And I wanted to shoot with him type of thing.
	And yeah, so that's how I ended up dating him.
	He asked for a BJ from you on the shoot?
	No, like, it was so weird because we were supposed to do a photo shoot.
	He showed up without his camera.
	Weird, right?
	That's typical LA shit.
	Yeah.
	So then, like, when I was my first, my five-year-long relationship, he, um, I moved out here and I met him.
	So it was kind of right.
	He scheduled a photo shoot.
	Yeah.
	He reached out to you?
	No, I reached out when I was still, I was, I finished high school in Nebraska.
	So when before, so I moved to California from Nebraska and I hit him up.
	I was like, oh, yeah, I'm about to like, you know, move to LA.
	I'm about to like build my portfolio, whatever.
	Like, yo, are you down to shoot when I get there?
	Yeah.
	Basically, that's how I like, I hit him up for a photo shoot.
	Like a couple of people.
	And he doesn't have any pictures on his Instagram of his face.
	So I did not know who this man looked like.
	It's not more like I was attracted to him right away.
	It was nothing like that.
	It was like literally just simple.
	So you're pretty well, you don't need to say his name, but pretty well-known photographer?
	I mean, but you knew of him.
	You were in Minnesota, you said?
	Nebraska.
	Nebraska.
	You knew about him.
	No, because I only knew about him because we had a mutual friend.
	That our mutual friend shot with him before, and it's on her Instagram.
	So I just picked up like, hey, I want headshots or no, it was more like just like Instagram pictures.
	Like, yeah.
	All right.
	And we're so you scheduled a shoot?
	Yes.
	Does he charge?
	Or was he?
	But no, see, that's a thing.
	That's how you know that he just wants to fuck, bro.
	Because he doesn't even teach.
	He literally doesn't charge no, doesn't charge nobody.
	Like, he doesn't make money from it at all.
	Well, I mean, there's a charge.
	Right.
	There's a charge.
	But so he shows up and he doesn't have his camera at all.
	Just a joint.
	I guess.
	No, like we're supposed to.
	We went to a view where I want to take pictures, you know what I mean?
	But it was, that was it.
	Like, there was no pictures taken.
	More just like chilling.
	Like, it wasn't.
	Like, he just pushed me into a date.
	Like, like, it became a date.
	You guys just hung out.
	Yes.
	And I'm over there, like, thinking, like, where's the fuck is your camera?
	Like, I'm in my, I'm in my fit.
	Like, as Prince you continue to date him, no, because that was when I first met him.
	And so that's we came, just kind of became friends because I didn't know anyone here.
	Like, I moved, I was like 18 years old, and the strategy, I didn't know anyone.
	I was by myself in LA.
	No, wait, the strategy of showing up with no camera and a joint works?
	I guess.
	But no, but I just like, I had no intention of like dating him.
	You dated him for what, two years?
	Three years.
	Three years.
	But like when we, like, he would come on to me every time we hang out, like, but I would always turn it, like, turn it down.
	But then I was just like, but then my ex in Nebraska, I was like, like, I did it.
	I made out with my ex of three years simply to make my ex in Nebraska jealous.
	So before you dated them.
	Yes, before I dated him.
	And so that's where the feeling started evolving because we became more intimate.
	That was no intention.
	Yeah.
	So we were friends for like three months before I even considered like, but it was like, basically.
	So the showing up with no camera and a camera.
	It was weird.
	It was weird for me, but I also.
	The concept is that the strategy works, is what you're saying.
	It could, yeah.
	Like, but I had no intention.
	Like, it was like, he was definitely not my type, but it worked.
	Okay.
	Damn, that's.
	And it's annoying.
	That's almost like.
	Is that like casting couch-ish?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	What?
	I mean, not really.
	Well, no, but like it's like kind of like slimy, like, oh, I'm inviting you for a photo shoot.
	But then, like, I have these ulterior motives of like, it is kind of slimy, I think.
	Yeah, they know him.
	But it worked.
	But it worked, Brian.
	Like, well, that's, I mean, how long did you know him before you used him for a kiss?
	Three months.
	See, did it work?
	Yeah, see, I didn't had no intention.
	I literally just, I kissed him to make my ex in Nebraska jealous.
	But that's where I only became, it became more of a mindset where I was like, oh, maybe, maybe.
	Sure.
	Because, okay, he's not my type.
	I would say the mindset door, right?
	Got the foot in the door.
	That was the goal, right?
	Get the foot in the door.
	But no, it's not like it's not like.
	He was biding his time when he needed to use it.
	But like, no, it was not like that whole intention.
	It was in the, it was that was like, it was that day thing.
	My ex did something and I was like, fuck it.
	He was convenient.
	He was close.
	He was convenient.
	Yes, it was just a day.
	It was just a day thing.
	Like, that happened right now.
	Anyways, that would have been better.
	So insanely out of his league, if you saw what do you mean?
	Like, physically, she's so insanely out of his league.
	Obviously.
	I feel like that's typical with these guys who are losers.
	It's like the girl is always way out of our way.
	Anyways, okay, so you said you maybe have a roster currently, though?
	A roster.
	Yeah, how many guys are on the roster?
	See, y'all are gonna hate me about that.
	What happened was I'm seeing that ex right now.
	Oh, oh, dude.
	But which ex which?
	This one from LA.
	The camera?
	Yeah.
	But that's only purely only.
	It's purely only for sex.
	Wait, hold on, wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	Just to be clear, let's do a little rewind here.
	So, the guy who cheated on you 17 times.
	Yes.
	The guy who cheated on you 17 times, you were dating him for three years.
	You broke up a year ago.
	You're still now you've just given him essentially what he wants, which is sexual access to you without commitment.
	Is the sex really good or something?
	Yes.
	Oh boy.
	Dickmatized.
	I pleaded there.
	Man.
	Women make great choices.
	No, but it's not like I'm not dating or anything.
	I have my roster.
	Stop it.
	Get some help.
	Bro.
	I do have my roster.
	Okay, how many other guys are you hooking up with?
	None.
	Just him.
	I make out with people.
	I make out with guys at clubs and stuff.
	Wait, so question, but you like go out on dates with other dudes?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Is there, okay, how many guys currently are you kind of talking to?
	I would say like five.
	Like five.
	Okay.
	Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
	But yeah, no, like five, definitely.
	Okay, like five.
	But it's like, I don't, it's like I spend time, like, I spend time with them.
	And do they, but, but you do not sleep with them.
	You don't have sex with them.
	No.
	But you do let them take you on dates and pay for everything.
	Oh, no, they don't pay for everything.
	Any shopping dudes?
	Like, do you have one dude over here?
	Oh, yeah, he takes me to shop.
	They're like broke college students, bro.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But they have something going for them.
	Sorry, can I just make sure so that I'm clear where we're at right now on the recap?
	Camera guy shows up without a camera and a joint three months later.
	Still on the street.
	Three months later, you're hooking up with him.
	You stay with him for three years, cheats on you multiple times with other women who he employs the same strategy on.
	And on top of that, he's still currently sleeping with you, even though you know all of this.
	See, when you put it that way, when you put it that way, it does sound pretty crazy.
	But yep, that's accurate.
	Accurate.
	Uh-uh.
	Accurate.
	That's quite the story there.
	Did you ever end up getting a photo shoot out of him at least, I guess?
	A few, actually.
	Yeah.
	And those photos come out, mom.
	Does he shoot stuff for like any adult stuff?
	No.
	Okay.
	Huh.
	That's quite.
	How tall is he?
	5'5.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	I told you.
	He's 5'5?
	Yeah, I like my short keen.
	How tall are you?
	5'4".
	Damn, this guy's, is he, is he like got a fucking tree trunk or what's going on?
	Let's just say he's Mexican.
	What does that even mean?
	If y'all know, you know.
	If you know, you know.
	Is not the stereotype generally associated with that?
	Just so you know, that's not the normal stereotype.
	So you would know.
	I said, do you know what a stereotype is?
	Yeah, but like if you experienced it, you wouldn't know.
	If you experience Mexicans, you would know.
	What?
	I mean, I wonder where does the stereotype come from?
	I think I got to send the asteroid for the whole, just the whole like getting back with the guy.
	And then there's, in fact, hold on, let me just bomb this entire studio.
	Holy shit, dude.
	That's wild.
	That's crazy.
	Hey, good for you, though, I guess.
	Good for you.
	Good for you.
	Damn.
	How did so?
	What's that song from the 90s?
	It's like, Wasn't Me?
	What's that song?
	Yeah, Shaggy or whatever.
	Like Shaggy.
	Was that like when you caught him cheating?
	Like.
	What, did he deny it?
	No, he always, like, he always just comes up and like I did it.
	Yeah.
	We looked down at the shit.
	Yes.
	Were you guys, you guys were in a monogamous relationship?
	Like, were you seeing.
	Oh, monogamous is just a moment.
	Well, were you seeing, hold on.
	For the three-year relationship, were you seeing other guys?
	No.
	Oh, so it was closed on your end?
	Yeah, basically.
	Oh, wait.
	So hold on.
	Was he up front?
	Like, saying, hey, by the way, you can't see other dudes, but I'm going to see other girls.
	It wasn't.
	Your intention was for it to be.
	I was not seeing any other man.
	Yeah, monogamous means only dating one girl.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	It was monogamous.
	Yeah, like it was closed on my end, but he just.
	But when I confronted him, he would be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did that.
	So it was a.
	Damn, this guy, can we get this guy on the fucking show?
	5'5 Mexican.
	Don't give him the clout.
	Cheated on her 17 times, and he still admitted to it.
	Hang on.
	Admitted to it every single time.
	And he's still to this day.
	This is the riz of the century.
	But yeah, but you're gonna.
	He's got the riz of the century.
	Yeah, but you're acting, you're like making it sound like he.
	He's like, I did that.
	Like, I let him back him into my life simply because I don't want to up my body count.
	That's literally the only reason why.
	Like, I literally sleep with the same four people.
	Wait, but hold on.
	Like, this, I know it doesn't really add to your body count, but the fact that he's fucking other people, like.
	Oh, no, he's not now.
	Like, okay.
	Like, yeah.
	I hope not.
	Where's he at?
	At my house.
	Where's he at?
	At my house.
	He's probably fucking the chick at your house.
	No, my mom still lives with me, so I know she's not a child.
	This guy seems like he's got some fucking cajon.
	My mom's watching him.
	Hang on.
	This brings up another point.
	When you say you babysit, does this guy live with you?
	No.
	He doesn't live with you.
	No.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	Yeah.
	Does he have kids?
	No.
	Okay.
	Not that he knows.
	Stop.
	Could be out there, you know?
	Well, he's had 17 chances.
	No, he's like, but he's more like the type of guy that's scared of having sexual intercourse.
	It's like, he'll definitely accept head from a girl.
	Like, yeah, his body count is only like five.
	No, it's actually eight now.
	But like, he's like scared of like that.
	But he'll definitely get head from a female, that's for sure.
	That's not part of the body count.
	Can you count that?
	It's like.
	Yeah, I would count that.
	I think if a chicken is probably high.
	Dude, it's probably high.
	That needs to be added.
	Okay.
	That needs to be added to the count.
	What's the audio at, Damien?
	Can you see if the.
	Okay.
	It's maybe just 92, I think, for now.
	All right.
	Well, we'll get everybody else's relationship status.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	I'm seeing one person right now.
	Wait, you're single, but seeing one person, right?
	How long have you been seeing this person?
	A few months.
	All right.
	Are you, is he also just seeing you?
	Um...
	For the first little bit, we weren't seeing other people, or we were seeing other people.
	Lately, it's just been us.
	Okay.
	And longest relationship?
	A little over a year.
	Alright.
	How long have you been single?
	Since July.
	Six months.
	Alright, was that the one that ended six months ago, the one-year relationship?
	No.
	How long was the one that ended six months ago?
	That one, I want to say like nine months.
	Okay, who broke up with who?
	He broke up with me.
	One-year relationship?
	Who broke up with who?
	He broke up with me.
	Okay.
	Damn, what are you doing, man?
	I keep dating drug addicts and then they relapse.
	Wow, that's...
	Stop it.
	Get some help.
	I'm sober.
	What drugs typically, meth?
	Are you like into methads?
	We actually talked about that on our podcast, and she was like, at least there's something going for them.
	And I was like, what?
	That they used to shoot meth?
	So you're spot on.
	Meth, heroin, just junkies.
	It's not on purpose.
	It just kind of happens.
	I'm also sober, so I usually meet them in AA.
	That's a cool place to meet somebody.
	That's always good.
	Yeah, very smart.
	Cool, cool.
	And then, let's see.
	Okay, and you're currently, but you are seeing a guy.
	Do you have a roster besides him?
	There's people in the DMs, but I'm not hanging out with anyone lately.
	All right.
	Well, how about this?
	For the couple months that you've been seeing this current guy who you're seeing, have you been involved with other men during that time period?
	Yeah, there was one other that.
	Crossover.
	Yeah.
	He was aware of it, though.
	We were both seeing other people.
	And we went on a few dates.
	talking to him for about a month and then we found darkavia found out for me that he was still screwing his ex and lying to me about it Good times.
	Good times.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Moving on?
	Maya, I'm single right now.
	Okay, single?
	How long have you been single for?
	About two and a half years.
	All right.
	Longest relationship?
	Two years.
	Who broke up with who?
	It was a, he broke up with me.
	It was my college ex.
	Okay, and then the relationship that ended two and a half years ago, who broke up with who?
	So he also broke up with me.
	All right.
	And then you've been single for two and a half years?
	Anything in the picture in that period?
	I mean, right now, no one.
	Right now, I work a lot.
	Like, I'm not really trying to date right now.
	I don't use any dating apps.
	I just don't really try to meet guys right now.
	I'm really focused on work right now.
	I think I love money more than men right now.
	I like money a lot, so I'm working a lot.
	And I'm also very, I'm very picky.
	Because my last ex, the one I broke up with two and a half years ago, he was very abusive.
	It was a very toxic relationship.
	And he basically ruined my life in every way possible.
	And it was just so, it was just so bad.
	And now I realized why I was attracted to him was basically I just wanted the validation of being chosen by a guy.
	Like basically, I had low self-esteem.
	I just wanted the validation of being in a relationship.
	And then after, but that one was so bad that then after it ended, I was like, I would much rather be single than be with a guy who's bad.
	So now I'm just, I'm, I'm very, very picky.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I am currently single.
	I just went through a breakup in September and I moved back to California.
	I ended up leaving my whole apartment behind and like I lost everything and then I just had to come back.
	But yeah, I moved to Texas for like a year and a half for the past year and a half and then I moved back here like in September.
	All right.
	Longest relationship?
	Three years.
	Three years.
	Who broke up with who?
	It was kind of mutual.
	He moved home and so it just kind of, well, it wasn't really mutual.
	I didn't show up for Christmas and it kind of ended there.
	And then was that that was your last relationship or that was?
	No, that wasn't the last one, but that was my longest one.
	Okay, and the last one, who broke up with who?
	He broke up with me.
	Good times.
	I have bipolar and it causes problems in my relationships, but it's fine.
	I just am like an annoying overthinker.
	You know, always thinking something's going on.
	Jealous.
	So, yeah.
	All right.
	That's everybody's relationship status.
	We're going to get into some show notes and then we'll do some of the questionnaire stuff.
	I did.
	Oh, we did have a chat.
	Let me let the chats come through.
	All right.
	I'm going to, can you read?
	Are you able to read that?
	Yeah, I can't see that.
	No?
	No.
	No, I can't see that.
	Okay.
	I'll read it.
	Gamer Heart69.
	Only in a world built by men could a thing like Chair One have a position like this with men.
	Also, definitely a misandrist.
	Hope its recovery from election night is going well.
	I think he's trying to determine your pronouns.
	This would be a good time for you to share them.
	Octopus.
	I'm just kidding.
	She, her.
	She, her.
	Anybody have that?
	Keeping guessing.
	Okay.
	Do you want to respond to that?
	He accuses you of being a misandrist.
	Like a real accurate definition for me.
	Well, just be kind of the counterpart to misogynist.
	I'm sure you know what it is.
	Thank you.
	Yes.
	It was a joke.
	Hard joke.
	As most things were, but that's okay.
	Clearly, that's going over lots of people's heads.
	Sure, but would you like to respond or directed at you?
	No, I don't.
	I don't.
	You want to put it back up there for me?
	Sure, I can pull it back up.
	Make sure I don't like misunderstand again and get myself kicked.
	He says, only in a world built by men could a thing like chair one have a position like this with men, also definitely misandrist.
	Yeah, I mean, I there's lots of opinions.
	Yeah, I think that goes like, you know how you were saying, like, if we had it, or he was asking, if it switched men to women, would I only pick men?
	A lot of it comes down to just like men have been very shitty, so therefore I'm not attracted to them.
	Like, I wasn't, it wasn't a, I'm not going to pull, I was born this way.
	I hate all men, and I've always hit, like, I don't hate men.
	They're just not for me in my bedroom.
	I like your earrings, by the way.
	For some of you.
	Okay, this seems like a decidedly different position than I'm not attracted to people with male privilege.
	The idea of a mistake, I understand the idea of I've had traumatic experiences with men, and so therefore I no longer want the company of men.
	This is something which is commonplace for both sexes.
	But that's a whole different position than I'm not attracted to men because they're in a position of privilege.
	That's an entirely different thing altogether.
	So when the question was asked, like, are you pan?
	Are you bi, are you, whatever?
	Like, the tagline I usually go with is I'm just not attracted to people who are born with male privilege, like literally as a joke.
	It's not meant to be as literal as it was taken, hence the like most of it's just a joke.
	It's supposed to just be lighthearted.
	But anyways, it has turned out to be that I have never been attracted to someone with male privilege who was born with male privilege.
	Sorry.
	Or say something else wrong.
	But how I got there was learning that and then discovering through loads and loads of therapy why I was not attracted to men because I had amnesia for a very long time about it.
	So like having both opinions, they do like have crossover for me in my own brain.
	But I respect what you're saying.
	I hear what you're saying.
	They are completely different.
	But one led to the discovery of another.
	Just for a quick show of hands on the panel, now that you sat back down, I was just curious if you could raise your hand if you've had therapy or gone to a psychologist for any issues.
	The entire panel.
	Everybody?
	As you should.
	Curious about that.
	Male therapist?
	Anybody here seen a male therapist?
	Yeah.
	Both.
	Female, also female?
	Yeah.
	Anybody here seen more than three therapists?
	Anybody here seen more than five therapists?
	Anybody here seen more than 10 therapists?
	20 therapists?
	15.
	How many have you seen?
	How many have you seen?
	12.
	You're keeping track.
	Wow.
	Well, because only because I move around a lot.
	So I never really stayed in place.
	And I was with my diagnosis.
	I have to go in every year.
	And sometimes it changes or they stop working there and I get a new one.
	Can you tilt your mic down just a teeny bit?
	What is your, what's your diagnosis?
	I'm diagnosed as a schizophrenic.
	Oh, okay.
	Yes.
	Do you take medication for it?
	I choose not to.
	I'm anti-med.
	Is it?
	I know there's varying.
	Yeah, there's like mild schizophrenia.
	No, not really.
	Well, very quickly, by show of hands, who on the panel who has seen these psychologists has ever been prescribed any drugs by them for various mental issues?
	Wait, what does that mean?
	Has or has never prescribed them?
	Prescribed any drugs.
	Not asking if you've taken them, just that you've been prescribed them.
	Okay, and then currently, how many of you are actually on a drug prescribed to you by a psychologist?
	SSRI.
	As needed for panic attacks.
	Okay.
	I don't have any daily anymore.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, thank you guys for telling us about that.
	How many of you would lie by a show of hands if you were on a drug that was prescribed to you by a psychologist and you just didn't want to admit it?
	How many of you would lie about that?
	I wouldn't lie because I'm trying to get back on mine.
	I just need to find a new psychiatrist.
	That's a fair answer.
	That's a fair answer.
	All right.
	Okay, that's everything there.
	I'm going to get into the pre-show notes.
	Starting with Rachel here really quick.
	You said, as someone who's in a wheelchair, I have a lot of crazy dating stories from unhinged responses on dating apps to people trying to lift me up on the first date.
	You only date women, though, right?
	Yeah.
	And so even the women are trying to lift you up.
	I have had people try and lift me up fully.
	I'm still uncertain of whether it was a joke or not, but either way, just kind of weird.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And do you find, was that bothersome for you that they tried to do that?
	Yeah, it was just really, really awkward.
	They thought that I needed help getting back into my car, which had a chair that would literally go down so I could get into it.
	I'm very self-sufficient.
	I drive.
	I do everything that I need to do on my own.
	And I think they just assumed that I needed help with it.
	Okay.
	Which is something that I get frequently.
	People just think I need help with a lot of things that I don't need help with.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Yeah.
	Do they try to like lift you up by like under your arms?
	Yeah, like under my armpits.
	Oh, okay, okay, okay.
	Yeah, it was, it was very invasive.
	I literally just met them.
	But.
	Huh.
	Damn.
	Yeah, just kind of like audio.
	It's not, but not, this isn't malicious, right?
	They're just like perhaps being overzealous when it comes to what they're considering to be kindness.
	Yeah, I think that's it.
	It's just like they didn't ask.
	We hadn't like, it was a date where we had not like held hands, nothing.
	We had not had any physical contact.
	I think we both knew we were not going to be going out again after that.
	And so just for them to go in for it was really, really awkward.
	What is a like if you were to give advice to a man or woman who's like, who's able-bodied, who's like trying to date you or somebody else in a wheelchair, like what advice would you give them?
	Like, are there any hidden, like anything to be aware of when it comes to dating somebody in a wheelchair?
	That's really conservative of.
	I think it's just like ask.
	Once you kind of establish like a rapport relationship with someone, just ask.
	Because if you don't ask, it gets really weird.
	And if you're assuming that like they can or can't do something and then the opposite is true, it gets really, really weird.
	I mean, obviously, like, don't ask invasive questions when you've just met someone.
	But like, once you get to a certain point in a relationship, you're going to have to ask, like, oh, can you feel that or not?
	And like, it's just, it comes up, it happens.
	And I think on both sides, people just get uncomfortable answering or asking questions that you kind of just have to get over that.
	God.
	Well, it's kind of a strange etiquette, though, right?
	Almost that you can't really expect people to know in a way.
	So it actually kind of reminds me a few days ago, I was at a restaurant with my wife and kids.
	It's just a local cafe here.
	And there was an older guy, and he was having trouble getting out of the booth.
	You know, those types who like they actually struggle to get out of the booth.
	And he finally looked over at me.
	I was sitting in the booth next to him.
	He's like, hey, can you give me a hand?
	I said, yeah, sure.
	So I got up, you know, grabbed him, pulled him up, away he goes.
	You know what I mean?
	But I don't know what the etiquette is.
	You know, like, what's the etiquette here?
	I have no idea.
	So I'm just like, I just, I just grabbed his arm, pulled him up.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, what do you do?
	I think it's generally like if you see someone struggling, ask before you just like go up and help them.
	Like, I love struggling going uphills when I have like a 50-pound backpack on and like I'm pushing my 30-pound suitcase because I like to get the workout in.
	But if you ask and I tell you no, like respect that I said no and don't just come up behind me and push.
	There's also nothing to push on.
	So I don't know people like will touch you.
	And that's also really, really weird.
	Like a lot of people do have push handles and I feel like that's more of like an etiquette thing there.
	But you know how like sometimes you'll see a person struggling, like especially this, this has happened to me multiple times where I'll see somebody struggling to reach something or something like that.
	I just walk over and grab it and pull it down.
	I appreciate that.
	Yeah, sometimes that pisses people off, right?
	For like no particular reason I can ascertain, except they're just like upset that they couldn't reach it and you could.
	Yeah.
	But I'm still not exactly sure what the etiquette for that is.
	For things like that, where like there's no way I'm going to be reaching a bag of whatever on the top shelf at a grocery store, like I appreciate help like that.
	It's more so things that like it really has to come down to pushing a lot or helping someone like lift where it's just appreciated if people ask.
	The worst part is that whenever I say no, frequently people get offended that I don't want help.
	And it's like I've been doing this for years and years and years.
	Like I can do it by myself.
	Well, is it offended that you don't, or are they offended that you don't want the help?
	Or do you think that they're offended because they were trying to come at it from a place of like kindness or wanting to assist, but they just didn't know the etiquette and they felt like they're being penalized for that.
	I feel like that could be a part of it for some people.
	I think overall it's just like you wouldn't go up to someone in a like normal chair and pick them up out of it or like just start to carry someone.
	And so whenever people like just come up and push me, it's like that's it's basically an extension of my body at this point.
	Like it's weird.
	Well, and also you've said something about like someone coming up and helping.
	And whenever you say no, they're like, oh my God, why would you not just let me help you?
	And they're persistent.
	At that point, just like let it go.
	Yeah.
	Then you're just being weird.
	And that translates over into so many other things for able-bodied people too.
	When it comes to dating, have you either of you?
	Well, you both date women.
	Have you guys ever just friends?
	Okay.
	Have you?
	Absolutely not.
	Have you guys ever dated somebody else in a wheelchair?
	No.
	And that's like a preference thing for me.
	And I know people are like, I'm like, you can't.
	Like, that's ableist, but I would not date another disabled person.
	What about you?
	The opportunity has never presented itself, but like I have no idea.
	Maybe if there was like that perfect person, but like.
	Wait, they would have to be perfect?
	No, I just mean like someone that matches me.
	Like I'm not going to just date someone because they're in a wheelchair.
	Well, like assuming they did meet like the typical criteria that you would require for, I guess, someone not in a wheelchair.
	No, it doesn't matter to me.
	You would think that's a good idea.
	And then for you?
	I just think that there are too many things that like I know and like can preemptively see coming up in my life where like I'd appreciate having someone who can help me like reach a dish or do things that I necessarily can't do because like I'm very aware of my limitations.
	And so I feel like it would be more difficult having two people that need the same amount of help because then you need another person to come in in those situations and that's just a lot.
	We have way different support needs too.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Stand and Rachel can't, especially like when we're home for cooking or something.
	Like I can stand and cook most of the time and she cannot.
	So like reaching the back burner is like it gets down to simple things like she can't reach the back burner.
	I can't reach the dryer to turn it on because it's too far.
	It's just things like that that are stupid that like if two people with my specific support needs were together, like it would be stupid to call someone and press a button.
	Okay.
	Rock and roll.
	Okay.
	So and then you said something about well you tell you told us about the whole lifting thing.
	Getting into the other show notes here.
	Let me just get those going here guys one sec.
	Actually, let me check.
	No, we're all good there.
	We have notes here from she's up right now.
	Lauren?
	Do we have a Lauren?
	Oh, okay.
	She's the fucking no-show.
	Or the, yeah.
	We have Lexi.
	Oh, that's also the no-show.
	Okay.
	We have Milena.
	Did I say right this time?
	You're a certified Reiki master.
	We already went over that.
	Reiki.
	Reiki.
	Okay.
	Rake.
	Reiki, like a rake.
	Okay.
	You had a guy from Hinge come over to get you dinner, but he catfished you.
	Tell us the story.
	Go ahead.
	It was like two years ago.
	There was a guy from Hinge that was supposed to come over to go on a date and he didn't even plan anything.
	So that was already like a red flag.
	But when he got there, he's like, where are we going?
	And he'd completely catfish and looked like way uglier than the picture.
	And so I was like, I need to go grocery shopping if you want to come.
	And then I had him carry my groceries up like three flights of stairs and just be the muscle and then came up with an excuse for him to leave.
	But I've also done the same thing with like needing a couch being brought upstairs or furniture built.
	Yeah, you wrote here that you used to often match with guys on dating apps just so that they could come over to put together furniture.
	yeah and then you once had a how many times would you say you've done that um It was all around that same time period when I had that condo two years ago, but it was probably like three or four times.
	Okay, and then you said you once had a friend with benefits carry two massive couches up three flights of stairs?
	Yeah, love him.
	Okay.
	He did it on his own?
	Yeah, he did it on his own.
	Couch?
	Yeah.
	Must have been pretty strong then.
	Yeah, it fell on him at the top of the stairs.
	Did he stay at the top of the stairs?
	Yeah, my roommate took a video and thought it was funny.
	That's crazy.
	But I had also been seeing him on and off for like three years, so we were good friends, and he thought it was a good thing.
	the one i'm curious about though you would match with men on dating apps get them to come and would you hook up with them after or no um not that it would not not the grocery Yeah, but you said you used to often match with guys on dating apps just to put together furniture for you.
	I think some of them, yeah.
	I was in a little hoe phase back then.
	What do you mean by ho-phase?
	Not that sex work makes you a hoe, but I was doing sex work at the time and I was relapsed.
	When you say doing sex work, what do you mean?
	I was working at a strip club and doing OnlyFans.
	And escorting?
	Definitely.
	escorting 100 would make you if ho means prostitute then that definitely that's what it would make you for sure I wasn't having sex with the people at the strip club, but I see.
	don't need to right that's that's that's not the exchange of product like Like, if a guy paid to have a prostitute go up to his room and then he just jerked it while he watched her, that would still be prostitution, right?
	I didn't know that, but.
	Yeah, so no one jerked off in front of me.
	So, okay, but I do what you're saying.
	But there's a differentiation here because, like, you could be a sex worker doing all that shit, but like, not sleeping with people.
	But, like, ho-faze, typically, typically, when I think about that, it's more so like you just having a string of casual sexual encounters with men, not necessarily being involved in sex work, but that's a component of it.
	Were you having a string of casual sexual encounters?
	Probably like the same five.
	At the same time?
	Yeah.
	So, like, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday?
	Different guy?
	No, I think it was like different weeks.
	That was probably like a two-month period.
	I only did stripping and OnlyFans for like two or three months.
	Have you ever, during the ho-faze, really quick, anybody else here at the table had the ho-faze show of hands?
	Anybody else?
	You, you, ho-faz, ho-faz, ho-faz.
	No.
	Or cafia?
	No.
	Jofez?
	No.
	Okay.
	Cassie over there.
	I've befriended people that had ho faces.
	I've became friends with humanity.
	I've been friends with Fuckboys and girls that go through whole phases, and the fuckboys are the worst.
	The worst.
	They show me pictures of all the girls and what their genitals look like and stuff.
	And they compare like this girl to this other girl.
	They compare genitals.
	Well, they tell me, like, I think they just want somebody to talk to that's not going to judge.
	You judged.
	I did.
	You judged.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but like, I'm not going to say that I judged.
	But like this one dude, in high school, we were like kind of friends because like I think the best way a man and a woman could be friends is if like one of them thinks the other one is ugly or like not attracted to them in an intellectual way or whatever.
	So like wait, wouldn't the best way to be friends is that they both think each other is ugly?
	I feel like that's the best, right?
	Well, I think he's physically attractive.
	Oh.
	But I think he's dumb.
	And he doesn't think I'm physically attractive, but he thinks I'm smart.
	I don't really think I'm that smart.
	Yeah.
	So we're friends and he looks like a fuckboy.
	And his male friends, like, he said that he doesn't talk to them about that shit anymore because they're in relationships.
	So now he just has me.
	And he wants me to text these girls on his behalf because he has so many girls that he's texting.
	And I want to say like I wouldn't do stuff like that, but sometimes I have nothing to do and we hang out and I will text the girls for him.
	And I feel horrible for that.
	But he has a really nice apartment in Manhattan.
	Thank you for sharing that pertinent information there.
	Please, was it a one-bedroom, a two-bedroom, or a three-bedroom?
	He has a two-bedroom apartment.
	What, in Manhattan, you said?
	Yeah, and he's a thin baseball.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate the details.
	He's a finance bro.
	Absolutely necessary part of the conversation.
	Now, so anyways, going back to the ho-faze stuff.
	So just teasing you, Cassie.
	Just teasing you.
	Okay, so.
	Can I throw one thing in about the whole phase?
	Go ahead.
	Sorry.
	Terrible, terrible.
	I don't think we should stereotype sex workers as hoes.
	Just so like make that very clear, just because if someone is doing.
	I'm a dancer.
	I'm a dancer.
	And it doesn't mean that I'm sleeping with everybody or we're all doing like, you know, it doesn't mean you're in a ho-phase.
	Sometimes it's just.
	I don't want to have the like porn bad combo.
	Sorry.
	Oh, I've never done that.
	But I mean, Andrew would probably say you're a hoe.
	Just a.
	No, well, no.
	It depends on how we're defining the things.
	I consider all sex work prostitution.
	That's true.
	Yeah.
	Why do you think?
	But if you just mean like hoe as in a slut, that's a different category.
	I thought prostitution is getting paid to do sexual acts.
	No, it's in exchange of money for sexual favors of some kind.
	Okay, so would you consider like a lap dance a sexual favor?
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	You're grinding.
	You're grinding.
	You're grinding a part of your body on part of his body for the purpose of sexual gratification in exchange for money.
	I don't see how that could be categorized as anything less than prostitution.
	What if you're above them and you don't let them touch you?
	That's no, like you're not touching.
	You're just dancing.
	Well, even then, it's for the purpose of sexual gratification.
	It's a sexual favor.
	So yeah, I would definitely categorize that as a form of prostitution.
	Oh, that's valid.
	So, okay, we were talking about the ho phase.
	That was for you.
	During the ho phase, did you ever hook up with two guys in the same day?
	I had.
	Friends are not doing you any favors.
	I had a threesome with two guys during that.
	A threesome with two guys?
	Yeah, I didn't like it, but did you ever have like individual hookup, individual hookup?
	Um, not during that phase.
	I think I had a worse ho phase when I was like 17, 18.
	That was probably the height.
	Senior year of high school.
	Yeah, I was, I was really deep in addiction, so it would kind of happen.
	Sorry, addicted to what again?
	I don't know if you shared that.
	During before I was 18, I was addicted.
	Well, when I was 18, I was addicted to Xanax and blackout drinker.
	Okay.
	And then I stayed sober for 18 months, relapse.
	Yeah.
	During the time I was relapsed, I was stripping.
	And now I've been sober for 20 months.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, congrats on the sobriety.
	Thank you.
	I guess the worst ho phase, like two guys in one day?
	Yeah.
	Three guys in one day?
	No.
	Okay.
	How many in a week?
	Oh, man.
	When I was 17, honestly, it was like five.
	Hear me out.
	When I was 17, I would, I know, I agree.
	It's horrible.
	I would sneak out to escape.
	I didn't even say anything.
	I agree with your face.
	I think it's horrible.
	I wish I didn't.
	You would sneak out?
	I would sneak out and meet up with older guys online to escape abuse at home.
	Excuse me?
	When you say older guys.
	The oldest was 30 when I was 17, and they knew I was 17.
	That's a yikes.
	I agree, yeah.
	That's a yikes.
	Did they know?
	Because I mean, they knew you were 17.
	Because you have to be 18 to go on the dating apps.
	Yeah, I've been banned from Tinder ever since because I wouldn't lie about it.
	Damn.
	Did any of them catch a case or anything?
	Because that's technically.
	No, sir.
	Yikes.
	Damn.
	It all depends on the state anyway.
	But that was also you wanting it.
	Like you wanted to be there.
	I didn't want to.
	Yeah, like I chose to be there.
	But this was in California, right?
	Yes.
	Yeah, that was definitely a crime.
	Sorry, was I not supposed to say that on you?
	No, no.
	I mean, it was they, I mean, you told, you disclosed them.
	I mean, you probably, there is a, I suppose, some degree of blame here for you because you shouldn't be going on the dating apps until you're 18.
	But I mean, these men, you disclosing that you're 17, like, that's a major yikes.
	It was to like escape home, but also to get like alcohol at the time.
	Different kind of escape.
	Careful, careful guys on the those of you who are on the dating apps, guys, you gotta be careful.
	Make sure you ban from Tinder.
	Get that photo ID.
	Get that photo ID.
	Absolutely.
	Girls will lie.
	I was honest.
	But did you ever?
	I'm just curious about this.
	Did you ever think that you were putting the men who you're going to see in a compromising position by the fact that you were underage?
	That that could have a drastic and detrimental impact in the rest of their life.
	I think the way that I justified it at the time was that I was being honest with them about my age.
	So I was like, if you're okay with it, I am.
	But I agree with you.
	I think that changes the category if it's disclosed for sure.
	You know what I mean?
	But I get what you're saying.
	It still does.
	I was just curious about it.
	Okay.
	And then you certified Reiki.
	Yeah.
	Can you like demonstrate some Reiki on Dark Coffee over there?
	Darkavia.
	Darkavia.
	Can I call you like a Dakota?
	You could.
	You could.
	There are a couple of people possibly who are the kids.
	Yeah, you can call me anything.
	You call me DJ.
	My last name is Jacobs.
	DJ?
	Okay.
	Sweet.
	I usually.
	There are two people in the room who could use the healing power.
	I heard the title.
	I would take it if it would work.
	Hold on.
	Wait.
	Go.
	Stand up right now.
	Reiki ring the shit out of them.
	Do you just tell them to stand up?
	No, you didn't.
	You got it.
	Stand up.
	You stand up.
	You can do that.
	You stand up.
	I was like, whoa, whoa.
	No.
	Let's go through this.
	We want to start with the level one chakras, getting the warm-up.
	Do that.
	We're going to get that opened up.
	Wait, can you do it to me?
	Hang on, hang on.
	Can you tell us real quick?
	Can you tell us what color is Brian's aura right now?
	What's my aura?
	What color is it?
	I don't know.
	I'm not going to claim to know when I don't.
	Do I have to do that?
	Usually I meditate beforehand, and then I'll see like colors while I'm doing it.
	And so I associate those colors.
	I see colors when I meditate.
	So I'll associate that with what chakra needs some.
	Nice.
	Do you know that anybody?
	Do you know that anybody can see an aura if they want to?
	It's actually really simple to do.
	It's a trick of the eye.
	It's a trick of the mind.
	I mean, she's trying to be sick.
	If you take any object, including the one in the room with you right now, I can demonstrate it for every woman who's here.
	Do it.
	So if you do that if you look at the microphone that's directly in front of you and you unfocus your eyes on that microphone, unfocus like you're looking through it.
	Wait for just a few seconds, picture a color, and you'll start to see an outline of a type of color.
	Perhaps not the one you're picturing.
	It takes a couple of seconds.
	But you'll see it the more you stare at it.
	I know what you're talking about.
	I saw like a green fuzzy around Brian.
	No, what do you mean doing it?
	Yeah.
	That's crazy.
	Libertarian.
	It's a trade to $200.
	I want chair 6 to be my speechify slash city slash audible voice.
	Completely devoid of emotion and the most deadpan.
	Even when laughing.
	Join me?
	Yeah, that's you.
	Chair 6.
	That's so funny.
	My mom says the same thing.
	Do you want to respond?
	Thank you.
	Okay, thank you, Liberty.
	I could do that.
	I could make you an audible voice for sure.
	Yo, Libertariat, thank you for the TTS, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	W's in the chat, guys, for Libertariat.
	Okay, so.
	Let's get those super chats rolling over on whatever Crucible crew.
	He's put together some great panels lately.
	It's been a lot of fun to tangle up with the various people who are on them.
	Make sure you get those TTSs.
	Thank you, guys.
	Appreciate it.
	So let's see.
	Okay, we were talking, going through your notes.
	I would like a demo, though, of Reiki.
	Will you do it tonight on the show?
	Sure.
	I mean, I don't touch their body.
	The only place I'll touch is like their forehead and temples and then swiping below the knee because I think that's it can help treat like certain maladies or ailments and stuff.
	Well, there's a really good book about it, You Can Heal Your Life by Luis Hay.
	Right, but it can, though.
	But yeah, so in the book, it kind of explains how like different chakras are associated to different illnesses.
	Yeah.
	So I kind of base it off of that book.
	Have you ever treated anybody with like erectile dysfunction?
	No.
	Someone asked me actually, and I said no.
	You wouldn't do that?
	That's kind of like, don't you feel like Hippocratic Oath?
	Like, shouldn't you help a guy?
	Like, he can't help it.
	I think maybe a different Reiki healer that feels more comfortable with that.
	Okay.
	What about like, hmm, what about like premature ejaculation?
	Like, can you help there?
	Like, if the guy just, it's too quick.
	Like asking for a friend.
	Just asking for a friend, you know?
	Just a friend.
	Yeah.
	Here's some good advice with a Reiki.
	Look.
	Just curious.
	Look at that.
	Look at that.
	It didn't even burn me.
	Didn't even burn me.
	Reiki, baby.
	I got it.
	I got the chakras going.
	I got it.
	Let's go.
	Let's go.
	All right, back into the notes here.
	We do have, let's see.
	No, I can't see it.
	Dang.
	Okay.
	Noise.
	Noise.
	So, okay, going back to your notes, you're currently considering open relationships.
	I'm curious on other people's thoughts on it.
	You wanted to also discuss the struggles of dating while doing OnlyFans.
	So you do OF?
	Not anymore during that.
	While you were doing it?
	What kind of content were you doing?
	Just like BG?
	Any BG content?
	What does that mean?
	Boy girl?
	No.
	Okay.
	Solo content then?
	Solo.
	Okay.
	You said you were assigned to an agency and you were working in a strip club.
	You had an horrible experience with it.
	Are you talking about the OF or the strip club or both?
	The strip club.
	And then because of the horrible experience there, I decided to quit all of it.
	Right.
	You said it was traumatic, but the money was amazing.
	You would never do it again.
	You would never do it again because you're hopeless, romantic, and it made dating impossible.
	And you value your self-respect and respect from others more than easy, quick money.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	And I mean, you also dance.
	Do you dance too currently?
	Yeah.
	Have you guys struggled with dating because of the dancing?
	Yeah.
	But do you do OF too?
	Yeah.
	OF2?
	No, I've only danced.
	I only did it for like a month.
	Okay.
	So for you, you started stripping before the OF, correct?
	No, I started OF in 2020.
	Then you started dancing.
	I started dancing two years ago.
	What do you think it like?
	I was going to ask, what do you think would make dating harder?
	Stripping or doing OF?
	Stripping for sure.
	Stripping for sure?
	Way easier because I only do boy girl content.
	So I'm never having to leave the house, never having to talk to anyone really.
	Like, yeah, I just talk to them in chat, but I'm not having to meet up with them or anything, see them in person.
	Okay, got it.
	Yeah, we've definitely heard from a lot of women on OF that they struggle with the dating stuff.
	Let's see.
	Would you guys be, I guess, would you object to a guy who didn't want to date you because you guys do OF?
	Like, would you think that's like, would you think he's insecure or anything like that?
	I understand.
	No, my last relationship, he wanted me to stop dancing and I stopped dancing out of respect.
	But the one before that, I actually met him in the club.
	The one that was the longest relationship, surprisingly.
	All right.
	And I guess just finishing up on your previous note, you said you're currently considering open relationships.
	So are you, but if I recall, you've been single for six months, you said?
	Yeah.
	Are you.
	Did you say there was a guy in the picture?
	I forgot.
	Yeah.
	So I'm seeing one guy right now.
	We both don't really want to settle to one person right now.
	I feel like I'm in a space where I'm still like figuring out myself.
	Although, like, I do want to get married one day.
	What did you say?
	You're finding yourself on a journey?
	I mean, I think I'll always be discovering more about myself, but I think because I was recently in like a very unhealthy, abusive relationship, I'm not ready to get into a new relationship.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And then, Andrew, do you have a question for the panel?
	I need to get up for just a moment.
	Do you have a line of inquiry?
	Just dive into a couple of quick things.
	If you don't mind heading back over to the Reiki, how did you get involved in that?
	Just some buddy of yours or something?
	I was actually, it was while I was a patient in rehab.
	They would do this like sound bath breath work class, and then someone would go around and do Reiki, and I had a really powerful experience with that.
	Was that like guided meditation, you mean?
	Yeah, like a guided meditation, and they'll guide you through the breath work, like Wim Hoff breath work.
	So then I started working for that nonprofit and getting certified and I'll go around and do the Reiki.
	Well, they have the breathwork class now.
	So it's a job for you?
	Yeah.
	I don't get paid for it.
	May they pay you to do the Reiki?
	I get paid with my private clients, but with the nonprofit, all of the proceeds go towards bringing meditation to children in schools.
	So I do it for free.
	That's really cool.
	Let me ask you a question.
	If you were to discover that there could be like some placebo benefits, meaning it doesn't actually work, but because some people think it works, it has some positive influence on them.
	But you were able to discover 100% that it was fake.
	Would you still do it because you thought that it gave people positive results, even if it was fake?
	Yeah, I think I would, just because I think the whole reason I do it is to help other people.
	So if it's still providing that, I would probably still do it.
	Yeah.
	Really?
	You wouldn't see any ethical issues with that?
	Well, if there was like a study that it wasn't 100%, like it 100% wasn't true and like everyone knew about it.
	That's what I was assuming.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	If they were like also aware.
	All right.
	Quick question for the for the rest of the panelists while Brian's up.
	Just a quick show of hands.
	Can you raise your hand if you've ever done witchcraft or have any type of association with witchcraft?
	This would include Ouija boards, you know, stuff like that.
	Just the fun, goofy stuff, right?
	I do full moon rituals.
	You do what?
	What are full moon rituals?
	What are full moon rituals?
	What are these?
	I'll write down my, like, fears and, like, certain things I want to be removed and then burn it under the full moon.
	So if that's witchcraft, yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's what I was going to ask the definition of witchcraft because I've done a few things, but I don't know if it was, like, I did a Ouija board when I was 18.
	I didn't like it.
	I think it messed up my life.
	I think this is kind of, I don't know if I'd quite call it witchcraft, but it's kind of in the same category.
	But I was talking to this guy during COVID who I had a really big crush on him at the time.
	And because, you know, we were all in quarantine, I was staying inside, I was bored.
	So I would do this manifest a specific person meditation on YouTube every day to try to manifest a relationship with this guy.
	And I did it every day for probably like eight months.
	And he ended up rejecting me.
	But then after he rejected me, I got really angry because he started dating this other.
	He started dating this other girl.
	Like he told me he was like, oh, I like you, but I'm just not ready.
	And then a month later, he's dating this other girl.
	And then that was when I met, when I met my ex, the last one, the one who was really abusive.
	And then after I broke up with this ex, this guy ended up reeking out about, like saying that he likes me and wants to try again.
	So I guess it did kind of work.
	But by then, I was no longer interested in him because I kind of realized like he's a nice guy, but we're just not compatible anymore.
	Well, let's say for a second that you just obsessed over this guy rather than trying to manifest anything.
	So I understand what you're saying.
	It's like the law of attraction type thing you're talking about.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Got it.
	Like you watched The Secret and after you watched The Secret, it changed your life type of thing.
	Yeah, it's not the secret, but it was Kevin Trudeau's Your Wishes, Your Command was the first one that that was my first, I guess, deep dive into manifestation when my friend sent me those audios.
	And after I started listening to those and then just wanting to learn more and more about it and it went from there.
	How to manifest the things you want.
	So let's just say that you were super obsessive about this person.
	What would be the distinction between that and manifesting something?
	Uh-huh.
	I just like believe that.
	I believed it would work.
	And also, you know, we were all in quarantine.
	I think that kind of fucked with a lot of people's heads on some level.
	I don't think, I don't think I would do that now.
	It's like right now I'm way too busy.
	I work a lot.
	I'm way too busy to spend 20 minutes a day on a meditation like that.
	I was bored.
	I was just like COVID-related witchcraft.
	You're just bored to try to manifest up the guy you wanted.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	What other witchcraft stories we got?
	I've used money candles to make, like, hopefully make like obviously more money.
	I had a money tree for a little bit, and then...
	What's a money tree?
	It's like literally like a tree that manifests money.
	I don't know.
	What?
	Yeah.
	Is it a bonsai tree?
	It's a plant.
	Yeah, a bonsai tree.
	How does it manifest money?
	It's like a really popular thing in creative.
	I light a candle and I put a $100 bill underneath and I let it burn and kind of just like I repeat the number, like the amount of money that I want to make that night so that manifests it pretty much.
	I don't know.
	Did it work?
	It has worked several times.
	Sometimes I make the exact amount or more.
	Really?
	So do you think that's a better way to make money than taking that $100 and investing it?
	Well, I don't burn the 100, but it's just a matter of time.
	You're going to burn it, right?
	Yeah.
	I'm just pointing you out.
	Anyway, what else?
	What else you got?
	And then tarot cards.
	But I'm not the best at it, but I have dabbled in it here and there.
	It's not something I really focus on anymore because it can get really toxic.
	But yeah.
	What do you mean?
	It can cause like paranoia if you keep getting your cards read and like, or it can cause obsession or anything like obsession with a person and thinking like, oh my God, they're going to come back.
	And like, you know, things like that.
	Like the TikTok people, like the way they do it and like how it's like spread every like it's just like a reading after reading after reading that can like that can become really toxic for the brain.
	Okay.
	Anybody else?
	Nobody else?
	Nobody else has this isn't really witchcraft, I don't think, but I see the same psychic every month.
	Do you see a psychic?
	Does anybody else see a psychic?
	Not anymore.
	I've seen one.
	Are they across the street from the psychologist?
	No, it's my newest friend from high school.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Was he a psychic in high school?
	I think it was like right around the end of high school.
	So like 10, 15 years ago.
	Huh.
	Well, any good insights there?
	Yeah.
	About my life right now.
	She's like, quit your job.
	Good things are coming.
	Start the podcast with Darkavia.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let's move on to a different line of questioning here.
	Nobody else has any witchcraft stories.
	Very quickly, by a show of hands, raise your hand if you've ever dated a narcissist.
	Go ahead.
	Show of hand.
	Okay, man.
	So it's a lot of people who've dated a narcissist.
	All right.
	Real quick, show of hands.
	Raise your hand.
	those of you who've dated a narcissist, where that narcissist was actually diagnosed by somebody who was not you.
	Can I add something to that?
	Go ahead.
	It's pretty rare that narcissism is diagnosed because what the disorder is is not being able to admit your wrongs.
	Like that's part of it.
	So like if a therapist is only hearing their side where like they're the victim, they're not going to know that they're a narcissist.
	Well, I don't understand.
	And most of them probably wouldn't.
	There seems to be quite a few people who are more than capable of dating a narcissist.
	I just saw many of them raise their hands.
	Quite a few people who seem to be quite capable of saying you're a narcissist or not a narcissist.
	When you say it doesn't go diagnosed, it doesn't seem to stop you from diagnosing it.
	Because the person diagnosing is only hearing the narcissist side, and part of the narcissism is that they're the victim.
	They're not going to admit, like it's a control certain thing.
	Yeah, you let down your guard with the person you're dating, and that's how you see people's true colours.
	I think it's what you're getting at.
	Like my therapist has said that my mom's a narcissist, but my mom's therapist doesn't say that.
	But me and all of my sister's therapist does.
	Because my mom's therapist is only hearing her side, not that she physically abused her children.
	Yeah, I mean, I do assume that narcissists do have, or who you think is a narcissist, have their side of the story too, right?
	Like that's not supposed to just be dismissed because you think they're a narcissist.
	Valid, but don't you have to include both sides to get a diagnosis?
	Yeah, but if you did include both in this case, the diagnoser is only including their side, right?
	The diagnose.
	No, the diagnoser in this case would be the women who say that they dated a narcissist.
	They're only including their side.
	How could they be including the other person's side?
	Yeah, I get what you're saying.
	That makes sense.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Did you have a bit more, Andrew?
	Otherwise, I'll just finish up on the notes here.
	Yeah, well, just the last thing.
	I just wanted to ask, who here has dated, from their perception, more than one narcissist?
	Show of hands.
	Really?
	Oh, so you're like, how do you keep finding so many narcissists?
	How?
	I think it comes when you're like a healer, you want to help other people, and you see these people are damaged, and then they take advantage of you because they see how good and caring you are, and they just don't do that.
	They don't reciprocate it.
	That's exactly what happened to me with my last ex.
	He just depleted me so completely.
	I was like, when we broke up, I was like a shell of everything.
	Like, it was like all my magic had been just completely drained out when we broke up.
	And then I had to rebuild.
	Oh, they said magic.
	They really know how to break your magical.
	That's true.
	It is how it feels, though.
	It literally is.
	Okay, last question.
	And then I'll let Brian move it on.
	Raise your hand if you think there's a good possibility that Brian Atlas, the host of the show, is a narcissist.
	The guy who's in the room with you right now.
	Just kidding.
	Just kidding.
	Okay.
	And then raise your hand if you think I'm a narcissist.
	Just kidding.
	Just kidding.
	Again, just kidding.
	Just kidding.
	All right.
	What about misogynists?
	I think some misogyny is like not bad.
	That's what she's about to say.
	I don't think it's the same.
	It's like a low level of misogyny you're kind of down for.
	You're down for the cause.
	I don't know why, but yes.
	You're down for the misogyny.
	Okay.
	I think narcissism's different from misogyny, though.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I think because sometimes my last relationship, I was the narcissist, so that's why.
	Just, okay.
	Let's blast through these notes, then we can get to the juicy stuff in the questionnaire.
	Nikki, you said that you've had so many crazy dating stories.
	Your ex tried to, ex is plural, excuse me, tried to kill you.
	Yeah, two different bones.
	The ones that I was in, the two-year relationship, both of them tried to kill me.
	And both times I got help from other people.
	So, well, actually, okay, one story.
	When you say they're trying to kill you, One tried to shoot me like twice.
	Like with a glock.
	Actually, shot.
	Yeah, with the glock.
	Like he had the gun pointed.
	Well, no, he literally was going to, and I literally was begging him to stop, and his mom was in the other room, and I was crying, begging him to stop.
	And then that was the final straw.
	Hold uh, wait, hold on.
	Are you okay?
	No.
	Wait, so two separate guys, two separate occasions.
	Well, only one tried to shoot me.
	The other one just like strangled me.
	And then I had.
	He had a gun.
	Did you just one did?
	Tried.
	Oh, just one had a gun.
	Yeah, just one had a gun.
	And the other one strangled me.
	The other one strangled you?
	Yeah.
	Was it like a one-hand or a two-hand?
	It was two hands.
	But luckily, the cops came.
	The cops found us.
	And so, with the gun, though, he pointed the gun at your head.
	Like, how did you get it?
	He was just like this.
	He was just like this, like, just closer than this.
	Like, I was standing in the middle of the table.
	Was the gun touching your head?
	He was just facing it right towards me.
	And, like, I didn't know if it was loaded or not.
	And I just didn't want to take any because I knew he had bullets.
	His whole family has guns.
	I know he had bullets.
	And he would do it.
	So I just had to beg for my life and, you know, play the parts.
	Okay.
	How long ago is that?
	This was two years ago, right before I moved down to LA.
	That's why I moved down here to get far away from him.
	Okay.
	I don't blame you at all.
	That's horrifying.
	So, like, I've heard a similar story like that, like, working in mental health.
	And, like, a lot of the times when women are in these horrible, you know, dangerous situations, they're like, they've normalized like being in horrible, dangerous situations.
	I was used to getting beat.
	Yeah.
	That's what I wanted to do.
	So, when you were younger, like, one of your parents beat you.
	No, no, it's just my exes that beat me.
	Your exes.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So, when you first realized that they were abusive verbally, emotionally, physically, why didn't you leave?
	And I'm not victim blaming.
	It's just that I hear this a lot.
	And sometimes, like, girls actually die.
	So, like, I'm just curious, like, because there had to be something before the gun.
	I felt like I had no support.
	And, you know, I felt like I was alone.
	I had animals at the time.
	I lived with both of them.
	So I feel like that also made me feel tied down to them.
	And I had two pets at the time with them.
	So not only did I have to escape myself, I had to escape my animals too.
	You know, so I had to come up with a plan.
	And it's just, you know, I felt like I had no options.
	Wait, what?
	Yeah.
	You couldn't leave the abusive relationship because of Fluffy?
	I had two chinchillas and like I just, you know, I wanted to save them.
	Chinchilla?
	Wait, they were already, they were chinchillas?
	They were chinchillas, yeah.
	And I wanted to save them because, you know, I didn't want to, I couldn't leave them.
	Like, they were my babies.
	They were all I had left.
	You know, like, I was.
	What's a chinchilla?
	Is that a type of thing?
	It's a rodent.
	It's like a rat-like.
	It looks like a squirrel.
	It's a rabbit?
	No, it looks like a mixture of a turtle.
	It's between a squirrel and a rabbit.
	Let me Google this shit.
	Yeah.
	They're really sweet.
	It looks like a fluffy rat.
	But anyway.
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	So you can keep yourself in harm's way.
	Can like bite off.
	A couple of fluffy rats.
	Yeah, you know, my mom tells me the other day, like, I should have just left those animals, but, you know, I can't do that.
	It's not in my heart.
	Wait, would it be?
	Did you still have them?
	No, I had to give them up to move down here because they.
	I thought you could get it.
	But you know what?
	I'm glad I rested.
	I saved them from him.
	You know what I mean?
	He probably would have killed them.
	Oh, yeah.
	So he didn't give a fuck about them.
	So I had to steal them.
	I could see a dog or like a cat, but like.
	No, I couldn't see that either.
	But I would at least grant that there could be a bigger emotional sure.
	Yeah.
	Well, and also, like, I was living with him at the time.
	So he made me, he isolated me from my family.
	Like, I wasn't allowed to talk to my mom.
	I wasn't allowed to talk to my sister, like, which is insane, even saying that, but I literally just felt trapped in the house.
	Have you been in like dangerous situations?
	Like a lot.
	A lot.
	Well, I mean, with guys.
	Like, I mean, depending, like, I, in dangerous situations, even with guys I'm not dating.
	Like, I got chased the other night by some guy, like, some random guy.
	Okay, so, like shit's just always happening.
	I'm sorry.
	It's just that I hear this a lot.
	So when you are, and I'm not saying this is no fault of your own, but when you are in dangerous situations for a prolonged period of time, the only, like, one of the main ways, one of the only ways you can die is violently.
	Because, like, I've seen girls, they're like, their face is like slashed because they were in a situation that they felt like they couldn't get out of.
	I definitely felt like I couldn't get away, and that's why I had to, for the second one, I had to talk to my work and come up with the escape plan.
	And as his sister worked with me at this job, and I had to tell her about all the abuse, and she helped him come up with an escape plan because she knew how her brother was.
	She knew he had a history of abusing girls, and so she wanted to help me.
	Okay.
	So, you know, she gave me the.
	Yeah.
	This is not where I thought this was going to be.
	For real.
	It's like summer camp.
	You said you.
	Church camp.
	Oh.
	You said that you found out that one of your exes was doing meth.
	Yeah.
	So this is.
	When you went through his pockets.
	Yeah, this is like the one guy who I went through his phone.
	I don't do this anymore because I know I'm going to find shit I don't like.
	But yeah, he would, he would, so he would, basically when you're on meth, like it puts you in a deep sleep when you finally crash.
	So he would be in such a deep sleep that I knew he wasn't going to wake up.
	So I'd go through his phone.
	So I'd reach my hand in his pockets and then I found a meth pipe.
	And then like the next day I confronted him.
	I broke that shit.
	And then I confronted him and he said it was his brother's.
	So then I went up to his brother and I'm like, hey, I'm sorry I broke your pipe.
	I didn't know it was yours.
	And the brother just looked at me like, okay.
	And then I found out he was doing meth.
	And then everything made sense.
	Why he would steal things from people, why he'd steal from me.
	He stole money from me to go gambling.
	And like I was the only one working at the time.
	So he would steal my last dollar to go gambling.
	Okay.
	And then you also said you enjoy speaking on dating sex workers as you are one.
	You date male sex workers is what you're saying?
	No, like I just how you know it's hard for your own experiences dating as a sex worker.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	And then I guess a different one moving on.
	You said with modern dating, I feel like we bring back old traditions like the man provides and we clean.
	What do you mean by that?
	I mean I'm I would love to be a stay-at-home mom so I don't mind if a man wants to just you know let work all you know work for us and then I would just stay home and clean.
	Like I'm perfectly fine with that but I'm also been the one to where I'm the only one working and I provided for the man.
	So I've done both.
	But I prefer to be provided for.
	I understand the idea here that you want to stay home while the man works.
	I get that.
	But I would still be open to doing like OnlyFans working from home.
	So I could still be working from home or doing Twitch from home, like YouTube.
	I would love to just still work from home.
	You know what I mean?
	Well, what is do you think the exchange is, what does he get in exchange for you staying home?
	I mean, I would just take care of him, take care of the house, you know, do whatever he needs, whatever he asks.
	I feel like I'd still wanted to, you know, whatever he asked, I would do.
	I want to do my part still.
	It's not like I want him to just be the only one bringing in the money.
	Like, that's why I'd still love to just work from home and help, you know.
	I'm a giver, so I do what I can.
	Do you think that the kind of man who would want you just to be a stay-at-home mom would want you to do OnlyFans?
	It depends.
	You know, with this day and age, some guys don't care, some do, but I'm always worried about.
	I mean, most men who want to settle down and have a family probably wouldn't want that.
	Yeah, and I feel like if I were to have a family, I wouldn't want to do OnlyFans anymore.
	Because I feel like, yeah, and I would stop dancing too if I were to settle down and have a family with somebody.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And then also in your notes, you said that you said it's also fun to be the breadwinner.
	You're used to being the one who provides for the man in the relationship, and you've been seeking a man who will provide.
	You've been keeping your options open, and that's pretty much it.
	Do you speak Cambodian?
	I don't.
	I was adopted.
	You were adopted, though.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Going to Allie.
	Oh, goodness.
	Allie here, I think your Instagram, there's a tagline that says, wait.
	Oh, okay, never mind.
	That's somebody else.
	My bad.
	You describe yourself as a polyamorous, disabled, queer woman who used to run an all-queer honey group.
	Indeed, I did.
	And you have so many stories.
	What is, first off, what is a honey group?
	That was what they cumulatively named it.
	It was just that the girls did not feel safe whenever cis men were in the group because a lot of them had trauma.
	I had a bunch of friends that I worked.
	I've never been a dancer like these lovely gals have.
	Love that.
	Never personally because I just don't think that I could handle it.
	But I was a go-go dancer.
	I met a bunch of girls that wanted a community of queer women to hang out with.
	And they just chose it.
	Yeah.
	Meetup group.
	You guys had a group.
	How many people were in the group?
	Queer honey bunny group?
	I think the most that were ever in the group was 45.
	45.
	Okay.
	I did, you mentioned something there that I kind of took a note on.
	You said that a lot of these women, they had trauma with cis men.
	So cis men were not obviously allowed to join the group.
	That's what I'm just saying.
	Do you think that this is granting that they had this trauma, these poor experiences with cis men, which by the way, well, that's a whole nother con, I'll save the cis conversation for later, I guess.
	But do you think that this is a sexist position to hold?
	I think it could be.
	I think that just in my position, it was asked of me that cis men were not included because it was to find other queer women to hang out with.
	Like I don't think that all spaces need to include everyone.
	Yeah, sure.
	I don't think like I think you could, for example, want to like associate with people of a certain group.
	You're not necessarily trying to preclude other people.
	But the justification for precluding other people seems to be I had one, two, or perhaps multiple poor experiences with cis men.
	It wasn't just personal experiences.
	It was just like the way.
	Well, that's the first thing you said.
	Yes, they've had a lot of them did, but I'm just saying it's not all just personal experience of like a trauma happened to me, but just like movies portray men in dark shadows.
	Like if you want to go that deep of like not feeling safe in a group, like this group was meant for like women to come and have pool parties and we hosted going to queer clubs and I just don't think that that number one would have fit in this space anyways.
	But also with the majority of women in my group and by majority I mean like everyone but maybe one stating that they would not have felt safe to fully be themselves in that environment if a cis man was there.
	That speaks volumes to me and I didn't need to make a decision.
	Would you be fine like with establishments also doing these kind of like exclusions like like a like a business for example?
	I think that's harder.
	I think like how do you like what about an all-female gym and they're like hey we've we acknowledge that women have had poor experiences with men so we're going to like exclude men from joining this gym and it's going to be an all-women gym like would you be okay with that or I don't think it's like any of my business to say whether you can do it or not but I think if I were the business owner I don't know how you would pull something like that off and still be inclusive.
	Like legally?
	Not legally, just like respectfully on like if someone comes into a gym and you bring in like you're bringing in all kinds of conversations like a trans woman comes in like how do you define who a trans woman is if they speak like a trans woman.
	What?
	I work at a woman's gym.
	Yeah, see I think it can be done.
	I'm not trans women.
	I don't know.
	Right, so I'm just going to go ahead and grant that if you were to start a business, you'd be allowed to have trans women.
	I'm speaking about, I personally don't like this term, but cis men.
	Oh, yeah, I think that that's fine.
	Why would it not be fine?
	For the business to exclude cis men.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And you so similarly then, I assume you'd be fine with like businesses excluding cis women, like banning them from being able to enter businesses and establish in favor of segregation.
	What about gay men?
	Say that again?
	What about gay men?
	Again, you're coming down to like, how are you going to define like weren't all queer clubs supposed to be just for queer people, but straight men still go into vet women?
	Well, here, here, I'll define it pretty easily.
	If you're part of a same-sex relationship and you're a male, you can't.
	Thank you for mansplaining that to me.
	I appreciate that, actually.
	How do you feel?
	Well, I don't understand.
	How do you say, it depends on your definition, and then when I give you the definition, you call it mansplaining?
	No, I'm saying like as a business owner, when someone's coming to your door and you're going to turn them away, like based on XYZ, like that's a good question.
	I mean, I'm happy to give you the definition that you asked for.
	So the definition would be two males who are same-sex and they only have sex with males.
	You call them homosexuals and you want to ban them from the business.
	There you go.
	There's your definition.
	I'm sorry that I had to mansplain that for you, giving you the definition that you asked for, but there you go.
	If cumulatively gay men, which I'm not saying they have or will, created an unsafe environment for the other people who wanted to be in that business, then I would agree with it.
	So if straight heterosexual cis males said nobody except straight heterosexual cis males can come to this gym, you would agree with that?
	Yes, wasn't that what you just asked me?
	Well, I'm just clarifying.
	I just wanted a yes or no.
	So I mean, so as long as you're fine with that, then the inclusivity portion of this, if men wanted to have a gym that was only exclusive to heteronormative behavior, you wouldn't actually have an issue with that.
	Just want to be clear.
	I think that that's cornering someone into an answer that's super controversial.
	Like, it comes down to like, what is the cause?
	What is the reason?
	Is it for safety?
	Because they don't want them there.
	Is it for safety?
	Or is it to be an asshole?
	Sure.
	Sure.
	Just dealing with them could potentially create an unsafe situation for both parties, right?
	Like, if you were a bigot, like, just think about this logically.
	Let's say that they were all just bigots.
	They just actually just didn't like them because they were homosexuals.
	How would that not create an unsafe situation by letting them in to begin with?
	I just don't think that you can cumulatively have that many people unless you're like exclusively asking for it to be invited into a space.
	Like you're assuming that every man in a gym is going to be a bigot, or are you just saying that there's a bigot gym?
	Well, no, I'm saying that there's a, let's say there's a gym which is bigoted on purpose because that's what they want.
	They only want bigoted people to come to this gym.
	That's the only thing that they care about is that you're what you would consider to be a bigot.
	They only want heteronormative, cis, straight men in the gym.
	And that's it.
	Okay, so if that was the case and all of the men who are joining that gym have the same type of ideology, wouldn't it necessarily follow that it would be unsafe for somebody who didn't follow that suit that they would be unsafe just by trying to join it?
	Yeah, I hear you.
	And I mean, like, if they all want to meet up in one space and have that opinion for themselves, then they can go for it.
	I don't want to be there.
	So.
	A couple things, a couple clarifying things, I guess.
	Would you, it sounds like you're kind of okay with people like business owners being able to like discriminate.
	Is that a fair to discriminate?
	No, to create safe environments, yes.
	Okay.
	So like, and so this for gender, you think this is fair play, correct?
	Can I ask you a question, a follow-up question?
	Can I answer your question with a question?
	Because you seem to do.
	How about answer my question?
	And then you can ask me a question, and I'll ask you to do that.
	How about no?
	Is there a reason why you're trying to corner me into having a negative answer?
	Because you did it at the beginning of our conversation, too.
	How is it cornering you?
	And what do you mean by negative answer?
	Because every time I answer it with like a logical standpoint of like women should, us women should all cumulatively be able to feel safe in an environment.
	If we require being only with women, then isn't that just for safety?
	Like, I don't understand the issue.
	Oh, okay, for safety.
	He's testing the supposition.
	Yeah, so I mean, I don't think it's, I'm not sure what you mean by cornering, but no, I just mean like every time I have a logical answer, there's a follow-up question with like the word segregation put into it.
	When people make or have inductive reasoning, which you're using right now, which is fine, right?
	That's most of the reasoning that most people use is inductive.
	Most of the time, it's not tested.
	But most inductive reasoning is based around suppositions and suppositions which people hold.
	So all that's happening, when you say, why are you trying to corner me into a negative answer?
	That's the opposite.
	I just want to know if there was a reason.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Almost done.
	That's the opposite of what's happening.
	It's trying to corner you into an answer, whether it's negative or positive.
	It's totally irrelevant.
	Just trying to see where the inductive reasoning follows.
	Great.
	But so I think I was asking a question there.
	It sounded like you didn't want to answer it unless you do.
	Like, am I fine with businesses choosing who they want to do business for?
	Yes.
	Okay, you're fine with that.
	So, like, for example, let's, and you said for safety reasons, like, that's enough justification for like wanting to preclude people from being able to participate in your business.
	Can you stop?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	So, if a cohort or group of white people, for example, felt unsafe around black people because they had anecdotal, like they had their own poor experiences that came down to safety when it came to like actual experiences with black people and they said, I don't want to allow black people into my businesses, you'd be okay with that.
	Morally okay with it?
	No.
	Do I think that it could happen?
	Law and morals are very different.
	Right.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	Why would it be immoral, though?
	What do you mean?
	Why would that be immoral?
	I mean, I was literally told I was not allowed to say certain words.
	Oh, well, I mean, it's more so like there's certain topics we have to avoid, but like we can talk about racism.
	We just don't want you to be racist on the show.
	Understood.
	If that makes sense.
	Yeah, I'm just wondering why.
	Like, we don't want you to use slurs or like say the n-word or like that sort of stuff.
	For sure.
	I didn't hear what you said.
	I'm sorry.
	Oh, yeah, no problem.
	So I understand, too, when you have a video link like this, it's difficult sometimes when you have a room full of people to communicate back and forth.
	So that's actually a problem I have too.
	But my question was: why would that be actually a moral quandary for you?
	If you don't have any actual issues with it as a matter of law, let's say, why would it actually stand as a moral quandary?
	Because there's a racial issue there.
	Well, wouldn't it be like a gender or sex issue then?
	For sure.
	But what you're saying is like, oh, we have quantified proof.
	We have quantified evidence.
	I'm putting this evidence in front of you of why black people have made this group of white people feel unsafe, right?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	What if you open up your viewpoint and you look at the masses?
	What if you say, instead of looking at this group of people that chose it, scientifically, you can't just hand pick which group you want to use as a control, right?
	So if you're looking at everyone in the United States, for example, that's not the popular opinion.
	So then I would say that that's not.
	I don't morally agree.
	This would be counter to intersectionality, though, because intersectionality is literally making all of these groups into microgroups as controls, just so that they can test for such offenses.
	So, if that is the case, we're referring to people who know each other as we're having this conversation.
	I couldn't actually think of a way that you could create controls better than to take micro groups and then apply whatever the idea of social injustice that particular group has and then follow it to its conclusion, essentially.
	Like, how else could you even do that as a control?
	By choosing controls that don't know each other.
	Because in the hypothetical, it's that this group of people got together, which means they'll let's say they didn't get together, right?
	But they all had kind of something of the same shared experience and they all wanted to get together.
	Like, it seems like it's kind of a silly distinction without merit, right?
	Not necessarily if you're asking me how to find a control.
	That's going back to the other conversation, right?
	Yeah, yeah, but I mean, even this, if we had this as a control, we could just, we, I mean, we could just factor in whatever control you wanted to.
	It still wouldn't really get to the heart of the moral quandary.
	If one race or another race says they feel discriminated against based on A, B, C, and D.
	It's opinion-based, yeah.
	I get what you're saying.
	I mean, I totally hear your opinion.
	I, I, I hear you.
	However, I think like when you're getting down to like morality, I don't think that anything should be separated.
	I don't think that anyone should fear for their life when they walk or roll down the street.
	I don't think that, you know, any of this should be a topic of conversation because nobody should be put in a position where they have to choose.
	But we have.
	Yeah, but you're but what you're going off of isn't even brute facts.
	It's just feelings, right?
	So you're going off the idea people feel unsafe.
	They feel like bad things going to happen, even if there is actually no kind of statistical data to back that up.
	But that's a double-edged sword.
	Why couldn't the other group say the exact same thing in opposition?
	I didn't think that's what I'm saying.
	This makes us feel unsafe.
	This makes us feel discriminated against, et cetera, et cetera.
	It'd be the same exact thing.
	For sure.
	I hear what you're saying.
	However, again, it comes down to like history and facts.
	And whenever you add the two together, I create emotion.
	You create emotion.
	Emotions don't just fly at you and hit you in the head.
	Like they come from a place based in fact, based in history.
	Whether that's yesterday.
	I don't came from a place based in fact.
	That's what you're saying.
	No, I'm saying it's you don't just get an emotion because it whacks you in the head.
	It comes from somewhere.
	You have something that influences you, and then you have an emotion.
	I'm just saying.
	Or you have nothing that influences you and you have an emotion because biology is strange, right?
	So it's like, even that statement in and of itself is kind of silly.
	But if you were to back it up, right, and look at, because what you're saying is, let's look at the macro versus the micro.
	I think that's fair, right?
	I think that that's fair to say, I want to look at kind of all the entire picture instead of the micro picture.
	But that would, the only way to get a clear picture of the macro would be for you to use intersectional logic, right?
	So you would have to come in and say this group and this group and this group.
	Even in fact, when you even reference historical standards, you could only apply them through the prism of the group.
	That would be like feminist standpoint theory, for instance.
	Feminists say, well, history should be revised through the lens of women.
	Otherwise, how could you really know what their lived experience was?
	But wouldn't that be the same case with any group?
	I mean, I guess it could be.
	It just comes down to like, when you're asking my opinion, I base it off of supporting what has happened.
	Again, you can go down to intersectionality and crossover and this and that.
	And for each and every scenario that you could come up with, I'm going to tell you: like, if it creates a safe environment where there already was not one, more power to you.
	Do I want to be a part of all of those situations?
	Most likely not.
	But would you only, my follow-up question to this then is: would you only base that around how people felt, if they felt safe, versus if there was an objective standard?
	No, and that's why I was saying, like, I understand what you're saying.
	If they were to say, okay, so if that's the case, then if there were such a discriminatory gym, let's say, who only discriminated against people who were LGBTQ in this particular instance, and the LGBTQ people felt unsafe due to that, however, the brute fact was not that they were actually unsafe, then who do we side with there?
	I don't think you side with anyone.
	I think that's, I listen to side with one side on any situation you can give me, I don't agree with.
	I think that you should put yourself in each and everyone's shoes.
	Not to say I could ever actually know what that person is going through, but the only way we're going to find any kind of unity, any kind of level common ground, is by trying to start to understand other people's lived experiences.
	Yeah, sure.
	But what if you do understand their lived experience?
	I don't think you can truly understand.
	Even based on your lived experience and what you're telling me from your emotional standpoint, still reject it because applied in the real world doesn't make any sense, or it's silly, or I just have a fundamental disagreement with it.
	The idea that you can just kind of partake in someone's shoes and then through an empathetic link discover that you have more shared in common than not, I think that there's some possibility there.
	However, I also think that there's good logical refutations that you can make for why you should often ignore the empathetic experience and ignore why it is that people want you to walk a mile in their shoes.
	It's often detrimental to you to do so, right?
	That's your opinion.
	You don't think so?
	I think that it could be in a scenario if you gave them what I agreed with.
	But like, I can't just blanketly agree with a vague scenario.
	Well, here's a good example of it.
	Let's take a principle that you're talking about here, which is a harm principle based around safety.
	If you were to say, for instance, so I'm an Orthodox Christian.
	If you were to say that, Andrew, it causes great harm for you to not use a person's gendered pronouns.
	It causes them harm, causes them some degree of suffering and some degree of discomfort.
	I could equally counter with, but as an Orthodox Christian, it causes me a great degree of discomfort to lie to them because from my worldview, that's exactly what I'm doing.
	Now in this case, you have to put yourself in my shoes and empathize with me while I empathize with you.
	Who do we side with here?
	I. If you're an Orthodox Christian, isn't there something that says that you should love others equally and not judge?
	Isn't that the same harm you're doing to yourself?
	No, first of all, of course, you can righteously judge.
	This is a biblical principle.
	And without righteous judgment, you could never actually do a condemnation of sin ever.
	So you have to have righteous judgment.
	But not only that, the idea here is even if this was the case that you're supposed to show love, and you are, it's not unloving to tell the truth.
	And from the prism of the Christian, they believe they're telling the truth and that you're lying and demanding a lie.
	That's their lived experience.
	That's their worldview.
	Okay, so if that's their lived worldview, then I would say for that person to exit the scenario.
	That's when you walk away.
	Don't cause any kind of hoopla, and you just go.
	Because you can't change everyone's opinion.
	You can't change everyone's opinion.
	Hang on, see what I mean?
	Why don't they go?
	That's what I'm referring to.
	Yeah, they go.
	So, so in the case of a, oh, you're in a convenience store or something like this.
	Okay, somebody says, it's ma'am, and you say, no, it's sir.
	Why are they wrong?
	In their own opinion, they're not wrong.
	And I get what you're getting at.
	I get what you're getting at.
	But telling them to leave, now you're opening a whole other book.
	Well, who do we side with?
	I don't know.
	I feel like this is such a controversial thing you're trying to get into.
	As a Christian, how is it more important to you to not lie than to be a kind human and not harm others?
	Well, you're asking for a conflict in principle.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Why can't I say that I think it's the greatest kindness not to lie to individuals?
	And so I don't.
	And this upholds the Christian ethics and principles.
	From your worldview, you say, but Andrew, this does harm to us because I'm done, almost done.
	Because it makes us feel bad, makes us feel terrible, this type of thing.
	It's like, that's fair, but I still need to know how do we, how do we decide these threshold breakers exactly?
	Okay, I have genuinely a question I would love to hear your answer on.
	Say your religion again.
	Can you answer mine and then I'll answer yours?
	That's fine.
	Okay, answer mine and then I'll answer yours.
	That's fair.
	Who should I side with?
	I don't have an answer.
	I think each person is on their own side.
	And if I were to walk in personally, me myself in that scenario, I would diffuse the situation because neither one is going to change either person's mind.
	You are entitled to your own opinion.
	How do you diffuse it?
	Go up and actually be a kind human being and say, hey, I totally get that you guys have differences here, but let's just walk away.
	There is literally no point in continuing having confrontation like that other than to cause a scene.
	So, well, I mean, so your expectations that these people are still going to get along well, even though one demands that the other from their worldview lies to them.
	I never said you had to get along.
	The other one demands from their worldview that you, what you need to tell me is what I consider the truth to be.
	I never said that you had to get along.
	Hold on, wait.
	You want to cut me off when you're talking?
	Then if I have space to answer your question, I never said that they had to get along.
	I said diffuse the situation and separate because I don't think that every opinion has to mesh with every opinion.
	You walk away and you let it be.
	So then the ultimate, kind of the ultimate logical entailment here is the idea that groups should segregate from each other.
	If you choose to not be a part of a group, that's your choice.
	Yeah, I know, but the ultimate entailment of your logic here is that groups should actually segregate away from each other because you say there's no answer to these questions.
	No, I think that people who have conflict if they come into contact.
	No, that's not true.
	Some people are assholes and some people aren't.
	Some people can turn a blind eye and say, have a nice day and just not use a gender.
	Who's the asshole in this situation?
	You could just not use it.
	Who's the asshole in this situation?
	Tell me.
	Just not use a gender.
	Who's the asshole in this situation?
	You know who the asshole is in this situation.
	No, I don't.
	I want you to tell me who's the asshole in this situation.
	The asshole in the situation is the one who's provoking the person who's literally done nothing wrong.
	Well, which one is that?
	Jesus Christ.
	Yeah, you don't know, right?
	This is the whole problem with intersectionality.
	This is the whole problem with the foolishness of this ideology.
	The entailment of that is going to lead to we can't actually, if we're going to only use empathy as a metric or even empathy plus brute facts, and you say, well, give me a specific example, Andrew, of where we're going to end up coming into conflict.
	Well, now I've just given you an example of two different groups who have two different ideologies.
	Great, okay.
	I will answer your question.
	In that scenario, the one who continues to provoke is the asshole, even if that is the person who has the different gender and you do not agree with them.
	If they're coming up to you and they're being a complete piece of shit and causing a scene, then I would tell you that that person is the asshole.
	Yeah, but you got a problem with that too, which is that what is considered a provocation cannot be what is true.
	So if that is the case, both think they're telling the truth.
	The one says, I'm not provocating.
	I'm not referring to what I think the truth is.
	Hang on, hang on.
	I just let you answer.
	Let me answer.
	So if the idea here is, the one says to them, listen, I'm not provoking.
	I'm just demanding basic human respect that they don't misgender me.
	The other one says, I'm not provoking.
	I'm just demanding that you don't say that I must lie because you're provoking, right?
	In this particular case, you consider neither of those or both of them to be provocations.
	In this scenario, if they're having a calm conversation, they're having a debate about who's right and who's wrong.
	And they can finally.
	Isn't that what you just described?
	One saying I'm right and the other one's saying I'm right?
	Let's say having a pissing fight, whatever you want to call it.
	Yeah, let's say you're just in a grocery store.
	And let's say the Orthodox Christian in this case looks over and he says something like this.
	Hello, sir.
	You want me to grab that for you?
	The person they're talking to looks over and says, actually, I'm a woman.
	Okay, so I'd appreciate if you address me as ma'am.
	Okay?
	The Orthodox Christian says, well, I'm not going to do that because I don't believe that you are this thing that you're claiming you are.
	Not from my worldview.
	And the other one says, but I am from my worldview.
	Your reconciliation for this situation is separation.
	If that is the case, then the advocation would ultimately be segregation.
	that's a stretch but my opinion how is it a stretch okay Okay.
	Do I get to answer?
	Like with a full sentence.
	Go ahead.
	Before you.
	Okay, great.
	What you're implying is that someone needs to win in this scenario, right?
	Like someone needs to come out on top, or we need to segregate them.
	Yes?
	Well, I don't know how you reconcile it.
	If one feels like they don't have basic human respect or dignity from the one group, and the other group feels like they're not getting the basic respect and dignity due to their group because they're being told they must lie.
	How exactly do you expect to reconcile that?
	I don't think all things need reconciliation, especially in a grocery store when you're just minding your business.
	It is not segregation when you have free speech and you can just say what you want to say.
	Well, what else would it be?
	How else would they get on then?
	They move on with their lives and they forget about it.
	Yeah, okay.
	But if you're in various communities, you have various communities where you have various people in them.
	The idea here is that you're saying neither side is wrong.
	Neither side is wrong.
	Both sides are right.
	Because neither they're both right.
	So they can't necessarily, if they're both right, right, then both of them have a leg to stand on in order to make their case that they deserve to be able to say what is true from their different perspective.
	That's necessarily going to lead to conflict.
	And you just said the whole point here is.
	I just don't think it should always lead to conflict.
	I think that there's just some things that we have differences about.
	And instead of creating conflict, you can just have differences.
	Yeah, but what if those scenario, you are the issue.
	You are persisting on creating conflict when I, in my scenario, in the same example you're giving me, if I were the person, if I did identify as something I was not born as, I would politely just say, thank you for your help, but I actually have to go.
	And now I've diffused the situation.
	You asked me how I would defuse it.
	Boom, done.
	Yeah, sure.
	But have you had your basic human dignity in some way violated?
	If it were me personally, no, because this human being is never going to see me again if I have anything to do with it.
	Perhaps not you, but you would say that most people who are in that situation would at least feel that way.
	Yeah, so I mean, if they do, then why would they want to subject themselves to that all the time from this group?
	They clearly wouldn't.
	They would try to, what?
	Probably, well, I don't know, separate themselves from it, yeah?
	I'm impressed with the way that you can work around words.
	However, I still don't believe that it's segregation.
	I believe that there are differences in all humans, and you want to talk about like the basis of America, we can get real deep in all of that.
	What you're doing is changing the argument instead of answering to it.
	I did answer that.
	Either one is wrong, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and there is no conflict unless you create it.
	Yeah, well, I appreciate the compliment of me being such a fine wordsmith.
	I feel like I'm dumbing this down quite a bit.
	Make sure that we can get the actual answer.
	I gave you the answer.
	The idea here is like, but I don't believe that.
	But when you say, I don't believe that, but at the same time, you feel like almost everybody in that group would feel like they had their basic kind of human dignity violated in some way.
	So the order of the day in order to not create conflict would be to separate themselves from those people.
	No.
	I don't know.
	Well, then how would they, how exactly would you deal with it then?
	Without having your human dignity violated.
	I don't actually get that.
	Do you genuinely think that humans as a whole can go throughout life without becoming offended in some way or having their basic dignity violated?
	Because you're referring to Christianity and their belief system.
	So you're having your belief system violated.
	So your dignity, in other words, is you've strung them together.
	Yeah, and that necessarily creates conflict.
	Dignity is very important.
	Because you've created conflict out of it.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I just don't think it's too hard to coincide.
	It's that you can't always walk away.
	You can, actually.
	When your dignity is being violated, right?
	Maybe you are incapable of walking away whenever your dignity is violated, but when mine is, because it happens all the time.
	It comes with the chair, comes with the hair, comes with people calling me it as they did at the beginning of the show.
	I take grace and I have a very nice day.
	No, I don't.
	Me personally.
	Wait, what are you going to do?
	Hang on.
	What's your answer?
	You're going to do what?
	I would diffuse that part of the conversation.
	Now, if you're talking about actually separating, I don't.
	I spoke in my town.
	I'm walking away, right?
	Oh, okay.
	Are you ready?
	Yeah, how would you diffuse it?
	You would walk away, yeah.
	From that specific situation with that specific conversation and that specific person?
	Yes.
	From that person as a whole?
	From that person as a whole?
	No.
	So then why would you?
	I would also be open to having wholesome conversations about religion.
	If you yourself would want to separate yourself from that situation in order to avoid conflict, it stands to reason that most people in your situation would want to do the same thing.
	If this is a case that they want to separate themselves, which has been my point the entire time, right?
	Why in the future would they want to engage with the same person who's not going to back off on their laurels of, no, I won't lie to you?
	To create change, to create opinionated change.
	Because I think that, you know, you're running on the basis that like it is wrong for you to lie.
	It is wrong for someone to ask you to lie, right?
	Right.
	Okay.
	So if you and I were sitting in a room and having a conversation one-on-one as human beings speaking about the human existence, I think that I would want to open up conversation of like why you feel that way and why you feel the need to present your opinion as the dominant and correct opinion instead of being a kind human person.
	I think that creating space between people is only going to create conflict.
	Creating distance is a little bit different.
	Oh, oh, oh, you done?
	Okay, great.
	So can I finish?
	Because you did that to me.
	Well, it's going to take you forever to finish.
	It took you forever to finish.
	It didn't take me very long.
	Going to recap on the conversation.
	You've had far more speaking time than me.
	I've been very courteous to you.
	Okay.
	For sure.
	I just think that you enjoy.
	We can finish.
	Calm down and we can finish the conversation.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, dear Lord.
	I think that you are incapable of not using this scenario without conflict.
	No, I'm saying that the entailment of the scenario itself is conflict.
	How?
	Well, because if you have two ideologies where both believe that their dignity is being violated, just in the form of communicating with each other, just in the form of communication itself, then the only answer to not create conflict in the form of communication would be to not communicate.
	If you can give me a way to reconcile that, I'm all ears.
	Have more open communication, have a more open mind.
	But other than that, literally what you're saying is the assumption, the assumption, the assumption.
	You're assuming that these two ideologies create conflict because they feel like their dignity is being compromised.
	But that is a very specific scenario.
	I don't feel like my dignity is being compromised.
	That's fine.
	I get that.
	So that you can understand the distinctions and why it is that necessarily you're going to have two ideologies consistently which come together, which cannot reconcile worldviews together.
	That ultimately your answer to this is indeed separation, even from yourself.
	Your idea of diffusing such scenarios would be separation.
	Immediate?
	Diffuse.
	Immediately.
	I need you guys to make one final point on this.
	Go ahead.
	I think.
	I'll just let her point stand.
	Go ahead.
	How kind?
	I think that if you're trying to be very courteous.
	If you're trying to get to the point of what I leave initially, yes.
	Overall, no.
	I would not separate myself from the person permanently.
	In other words, segregate myself from this person just because they have different views than me.
	No.
	Except immediately you would.
	To diffuse the.
	Okay.
	That's like the first response is the thing that you would do, but okay.
	All right.
	I'm trying to think if I have any other questions on that.
	Otherwise, I'll move it on to some of the more different pre-show notes.
	I did, you mentioned the word mansplaining.
	You accused Andrew of mansplaining.
	What is mansplaining?
	It's a slang term.
	I just used it specifically because when I asked, it was very, very, very specific down to like the definition of my word is what he gave me.
	And it was very, in my opinion, obvious that that's not what I meant.
	But why fix man before?
	It seems like there's a bit of a negative connotation.
	Maybe I shouldn't use that word anymore.
	Like if like she laborating, do you find this?
	I love that word.
	You like she elaborating?
	Okay.
	Woman splaining, would you find this objectionable?
	I think they're all just words, and sometimes we need to just not be as offended as sometimes we get.
	I don't think it's that big of a deal.
	Personally, I don't think that we should hold that much value into the word mansplaining and woman splaining, but people use it in a demonized way, so then it's deadish.
	You know, I tend to agree with you, but it's like the sort of the current social climate from the side that would use this word seems to take great issue with the way language is used.
	So if they were a bit more, I guess, relaxed when it came to choice of words, perhaps they wouldn't get so much pushback when they use words themselves that perhaps the group that they often target finds objectionable.
	Didn't you tell him he was mansplaining?
	I did tell him he was mansplaining after.
	She's also saying that she was using it as a term like we are trying to make it more, we're taking it too seriously.
	Anyways, you were about to say something.
	I misunderstood.
	You were about to say something.
	Yeah, no, and it was about that.
	Just that like in this scenario, the provoker, from my perspective, and these ladies can speak on that if they want to, if you need it to not just be from me, was that when I said a word, he gave me the literal definition of the word in an extremely sarcastic tone to provoke me.
	Okay.
	Which I had an issue.
	We can get into that in just a sec, but you were about to say something before.
	That's what I was going to say.
	That was what you were about to say?
	Okay.
	So essentially, he provoked you.
	He used a definition of a word to provoke me, to be sarcastic, to get a literalness of it.
	I don't know if that was his actual intention, but in any case, that's the way you took it, though.
	Yes, and that's why I use that word.
	So the thing is, is when you're talking to people, when you're a conversationalist, and I think I would probably reckon myself as being one because it seems to be part of my primary profession to have conversations.
	I think it's really important that you're very clear on terms that you use.
	And people often ask for definitions for things in order to get clarity.
	And I understand why.
	It's because in the commons, the way that we think of things is different than the way we think of things academically or for specific instances.
	So religious speak, for instance, is going to have its own lingo.
	Things like spiritual is going to mean something different to a Christian than it would be to a Reikiist, for instance.
	And so precision in language that way, I think, is super important.
	And legitimately, when you asked for a definition, I thought you were asking me for one.
	No, and I think that there was another misconception there.
	I said, how do you define it?
	And I was referring to the person entering the business.
	But we can just move forward.
	It was just a misunderstanding.
	I mean, yeah, your part.
	You should apologize.
	Ogle donated $200.
	Chair one, I would not separate, segregate myself from a group of people also.
	Chair one, I would never date a cis male.
	Like, there's another one coming out.
	What about my lived experience?
	Also, I'm sorry, but dating someone and being around them is two different things.
	I'm in the same room with what I assume to be a cis male.
	He can correct me if I'm wrong.
	That's not equivalent to dating them.
	Ogle donated $200.
	Is there a little chemistry?
	Yeah.
	I was going to ask you out afterwards.
	You've changed my mind about men.
	That's Andrew, by the way.
	What about my apology, though?
	The empathy was my lived experience of being told that I was a man spleener just for trying to have precision in language.
	It wasn't very nice or kind or empathetic of you.
	And it hurt my feelings.
	Don't you think you owe me an apology?
	If you used a different tone of voice instead of trying to prove your point, maybe.
	Do you genuinely feel offended by what I've said?
	I genuinely feel offended.
	And then I'm very sorry for offending you.
	Ah, gotcha.
	I'm glad you're fucking so you deserve to be snow kid.
	I'm joking.
	I'm joking.
	It's funny.
	It's no joke.
	I'm kidding.
	We'll go on a date after you.
	I wanted there to be a little levity, a little bit of levity.
	Yeah.
	I look forward to our date.
	And just final thing on this, then I'm going to get into the other notes here.
	The term cis, right?
	I find this term offensive.
	Okay.
	Would you be willing to discontinue, knowing perhaps you've never heard this from a, at least what you would view as a cis male.
	Let's get split gone.
	Would you consider stopping this use entirely now that you've heard from somebody who actually is cis that they find this term offensive?
	Can I answer in two parts?
	Sure.
	No, I wouldn't.
	And I think that whenever people decide that words should just be taken away because they are offensive, you don't get to just choose that unless you have other parties coming in and saying, hey, this has been extremely offensive to this group of people historically, that that's much different than being like, I don't like that word and it offended me, so you should just never say it again.
	And that goes into a bunch of other things.
	Like, I just don't think that.
	How long has the term cis been around?
	Oh, no, I was referring to how long has that made people offended.
	Well, I mean, if the word has only been around for a finite period of time, a limited period of time, do you have other people that are offended?
	Hold on, you gotta let me finish.
	That would encompass the history of the world, the word.
	I actually personally do not know how long would you like to bring up how long it's been around?
	It seems like it's maybe less than a decade.
	It seems like it's been in use in terms of its common use.
	It would occur to me that I first heard it coming into use probably in the past 10 years.
	Is that maybe because you didn't surround yourself with those who use the word, or would you like to use Google and see how long it's been around?
	Well, perhaps it's been around longer.
	But I mean, if a word's been used by five people and the population of the United States is over 300 million, like I don't really see how.
	Is there data to back that?
	I'm not saying it actually was five people.
	I'm just using my example.
	No, I don't actually get your point.
	But there's plenty more who have used that word.
	And it's just coming down to a specific, again, that you're saying you only feel like it's been brought up so long ago.
	Andrew, therefore, the rates of, I mean, is this not, this is typically a term that relates to like transgender people, right?
	Cis?
	Yeah, like, I don't think cis, right?
	Like, it has to do, like, somebody who cis is not trans.
	Is that fair to say?
	Yeah, cis refers to identifying as the gender that you were born with, I believe.
	Correct me if I'm wrong, but how about this?
	Because I don't know.
	Hold on.
	Within LGBTQ ideology, that would be correct.
	So the idea is that if you associate, if you associate with the gender in their worldview, that you were born as your cis, from Brian's standpoint, it would be if you associate with the sex you were born as, you're cis.
	So both sides see it differently.
	Yeah, so I mean.
	I genuinely didn't know that.
	So that's why.
	So I guess like what percentage of the population is transgender?
	Like isn't it like less than 1%?
	I have no idea, but if you want to Google it, that would give you a good answer.
	Well, it depends on the classification.
	So when you're talking about self-identification, it's as many as one in four Zoomers actually will identify as being trans, but it would depend starkly on how you define what trans is.
	And that's a whole ball of worms, let me tell you.
	Whole ball of worms.
	But so I guess, look, in any case, like I, I and many other cis people find this word offensive.
	Like, given that I've just communicated this to you, would you consider discontinuing its use?
	If you and I were to be around each other, would I discontinue its use around?
	Yes.
	No, in general.
	No.
	Okay, well, for example, like, let's say, like, for example, I'm not going to use the actual word, but like the F word, right?
	I'm sure you find, do you find this word offensive?
	The four-letter F-word that word that's often used in a derogatory way.
	If someone's using it in a derogatory way, it's extremely offensive.
	If it is someone in my community using it as a factual word, I don't think that it's offensive to use it.
	If someone's talking about someone said that word, then being literal, so I was being literally.
	10-year-old boys who are calling their friends.
	Is it to cause harm?
	No, they're just like, no.
	What do you mean, cause harm?
	Are they using it to intentionally cause harm to the person receiving it?
	To which group?
	To whomever they are calling them.
	I mean, if you call your friend stupid, are you going to cause harm?
	I mean, if you're not, then maybe you should reassess.
	But I'm just trying to understand, like, the more stupid F you, then, yeah, that's offensive.
	It just comes down to, like, conversation.
	Right.
	Like, surround yourself with those who you think you can have that conversation with.
	Okay.
	Words aren't illegal.
	Okay, so you're fine with people like in casual conversation saying the F word, the three words words.
	Everyone there is fine with that word being used in conversation.
	Sure.
	Okay, but right now, would you discontinue now that I'm right here and Andrew's here and Damien's here, Desmond's here, I don't know what their specific positions are on this word, but I at least, and I think Andrew does too, we find this term cis offensive.
	Would you discontinue it for the sake of this conversation?
	Would I discontinue it, like in this room?
	Is that what you're referring to?
	If it was used in a factual-based way, so we're discussing like this, probably not like for reference of the word.
	So you're saying if I was using anything you don't want to be called.
	So if I was using the F, the three-letter F-word in a factual basis.
	Like we're discussing someone saying that word, it would not offend me and I wouldn't see an issue with it using the word.
	If we're having like a conversation about like the word cis, that's fine.
	But if you were to say that I'm a cis man.
	Oh, if that offended you, then yeah, I wouldn't say it.
	You wouldn't say it.
	Interesting.
	I just think you should respect human beings.
	That's all.
	Okay.
	But like, wouldn't you agree that if you had like a bird's eye view of a conversation that was occurring and people were like throwing around that three-letter F word in like calling each other, they're just calling each other.
	But there's something you can appease everyone.
	Like throwing around a word for that word or any other word, if someone then brings it up that it's offensive, then maybe you should stop using it.
	Okay.
	Although there does seem to have been a push to like, you know, people should, even in like a private setting where somebody who identifies as part of this group would not like, who wouldn't even hear it, there's still a push to then like, hey, you guys shouldn't even use that word in private, et cetera, et cetera.
	Because it's historically been used to harm people in that community.
	Has cis, I think cis has been used to harm people in these cis community.
	I would genuinely love proof.
	Oh, I'm sure there's, I'm trying to think, hmm.
	Perhaps by discriminating people from joining a bunny group, I guess.
	I don't know.
	Or what is it?
	You should just call it bunny group.
	That's great.
	Fantastic.
	It's bunny group.
	We're honey group.
	Okay.
	It's bunny.
	I mean, objectively, if people just don't like being called it, then it's harmful, right?
	Yeah.
	And so, like, I would never call you something that was harmful to you if you told me that.
	If you brought it up to me, then I would no longer address you as such.
	Didn't he just do that?
	I don't know.
	But how about this?
	How about this question?
	If me and Andrew, like after the show, like we just had a 30-minute phone conversation and I called him the three-letter F-word like 10 times and he called me the three-letter F-word like 20 times.
	How about it, man?
	You'd be totally cool with that.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	You guys are having a private conversation amongst friends.
	Yes?
	You and him.
	Yes.
	No one else is going to know about it in this hypothetical situation.
	Nobody else.
	Have at it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Fair enough.
	Fair enough.
	Going back to your notes here, you said you also started dating your current fiancé while he was still married, tried to date his wife, who was a tilde bitch, while also trying to make things work with your ex-high school sweetheart.
	Needless to say, your partner and I are the only two in the picture.
	Okay.
	And then further down, I told you you asked for revisions, and I said that I wouldn't be talking about a lot of that.
	Oh.
	Are you sure?
	I'm positive.
	Hold on.
	I'll look.
	Maybe it wasn't included.
	Well, all right, then I'll just move on then.
	Thank you.
	Now the notes collected were collected.
	You said dating and relationships are two different things.
	Dating many people is how you decide who you want to be in a committed relationship with.
	You can't just test one at a time.
	How would you know which one is right with no comparison?
	There's someone for everyone, but not everyone is for someone.
	Agreed.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And let's see here.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Moving on to who do we have?
	We have one sec, guys.
	Trying to get the notes here.
	We have Jay.
	I think you're the final one here who we have notes on.
	Did you submit notes?
	No, I don't think I sent it.
	Let me just do a little quick check here.
	No, okay.
	That's fine.
	Jay, your craziest dating experience was when this guy you were talking to on Tinder invited you to his family's lake cab in Minnesota for the weekend.
	You're living there at the time, two-hour drive, and when you got there, he ended up not really liking you, and you barely spent any time together, but his family loved you.
	You ended up spending most of the weekend with his mom and sister.
	Oh my God.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that was an interesting experience.
	It was a long time ago.
	It was probably like 10 years ago now.
	It was a long time ago.
	But yeah, I just remember I was living in Minneapolis, Minnesota at the time.
	I was graduating out of college.
	And I met with this guy on Tinder.
	And he just spontaneously, he's like, hey, come to my lake, come to my family's lake cabin.
	And I guess there was like a glitch on his location settings.
	And that was why he saw me.
	He saw me in his matches, even though I was two hours away.
	Like, I think he thought I was a lot closer than I actually was.
	But he invited me, and I was like, oh, that sounds fun.
	So I ended up just going and spending the weekend with him and not knowing him at all.
	I was like, I had no idea what to expect.
	I didn't know if he was going to look like his photos or anything like that.
	And I get there and we just end up, he wasn't like a bad person or anything.
	We just kind of didn't really vibe.
	Like the chemistry wasn't really there.
	But his family ended up loving me.
	Like his mom and dad loved me.
	His sister loved me.
	And they were just a really nice, normal family.
	Like nothing bad happened.
	They were just so nice to me, so normal.
	I had a really good time.
	And then I went home and never saw any of them again.
	Damn.
	Okay.
	And also, just Allie, clarifying here, I just looked at our message history.
	Were you saying like earlier on in the show you said this?
	Or you said in the message you said, like, oh, never mind.
	I don't want to talk about that stuff.
	I think I put specifics about what I didn't want to talk about in the messages.
	I mean, you're welcome to look back at it.
	I just looked over the message history because I don't want people to think like, oh, I like there's nothing in the message history that indicated, oh, I don't want to talk about this.
	Nothing.
	Is there a reason why you said that you were corrected and that you did find it?
	Or you said, oh, sorry, because you said you found it now?
	A second ago?
	Like, genuinely clarifying on that?
	No, I said I looked through our message history because you just said that, oh, in the messages, I said I didn't want to talk about that.
	But there's nothing in the messages whatsoever that pertains to you having carve-outs of what you did or didn't want to talk about.
	Okay, I mean, if I can look at it, that's fine, but I don't have my phone.
	Right, but just wanting to clear the air there because the.
	If it's not there, it's not there.
	But I mean, I'm happy to look later.
	Sure, totally fine, but it's not there.
	So, okay, going back to you, Jay, you said that you hooked up with a porn star once, who you met on Tinder.
	Yeah, I did.
	I'm not going to say his name, but he was a popular male OnlyFans creator who I met him on Tinder.
	I went over to his hotel room in downtown LA, and we hooked up.
	He was really hot, but I kind of, I think because of his career, I had higher expectations.
	He was just kind of like he was as average, like in bed, but he was very good looking and he was nice.
	Okay.
	And you only hooked up with him once or a couple of years?
	Yeah, only, no, only one time.
	Okay.
	You said another guy you dated briefly, also from Tinder, he used to give you $200 every day because you took off work to hang out with him because that's how much you earned in a workday.
	Yeah.
	He was very rich, but same age as you.
	Yeah, so also, yeah, also met him on Tinder.
	And I'm not in the, I'm not in the older men at all.
	I pretty much only date my age or younger.
	But yeah, I met this guy on Tinder and I was working for Instacart at the time.
	I still work for them.
	And he just asked me, he was like, I remember being on it on a date with him and then he wanted me to sleep.
	He wanted me to sleep over and then spend the next day with him.
	And I told him, I was like, no, I have to work.
	I have to work.
	So I can't see you tomorrow because I got to work.
	And then he just asked me, how much money do you make in a typical day working for Instacart if you work a full day?
	And I told him 200.
	And so he started just giving me like that same amount of money to not work that day so I could spend more time with him.
	Was he like lived far away or something?
	No, no, he lived in the Century City, Los Angeles, which is right outside Beverly Hills.
	How many times did you hang out with him, would you say?
	I only dated him for maybe about a month.
	Okay, so maybe you hung out like 10 times or something?
	It was like six times.
	And every time he just paid you $200?
	Not every time.
	It was after the third time.
	So like three times he paid you $200?
	Yeah.
	And then were you hooking up with him?
	Yeah.
	No, we were hooking up, yeah.
	Like going on dates and hooking up.
	He was technically prostitution.
	Well, wait, no, he actually, he liked me and I liked him too.
	Like I wanted to have him be my boyfriend.
	And I would have dated him even if he weren't giving me money.
	I totally would have dated him.
	But he's like, so he's paying you for the day, but he's like compensating you because he's not like, because you would have hung out with him for free on a day you weren't working.
	Oh, absolutely I would have.
	I really liked him.
	He was a really great guy.
	Right.
	I was sad when it ended.
	He ended up moving outside of LA.
	That was why it ended.
	But if he still lived here and if he didn't have that kind of money and I was just hanging out with him for free like normal, I would totally still date him.
	But last time I checked, he doesn't live in LA and he has a girlfriend in the city he lives in now.
	So he's not knocking anymore.
	So I guess, I mean, it was just like he really wanted to hang out with you, but you're like, oh, I'm so busy.
	I have to work.
	And so he's like, all right, I'll just give you, take the day off, whatever.
	Yeah, that was exactly it.
	Okay.
	And you would have, like, if you were a free, if it was a free day for you, you would have hung out with him for free.
	Oh, totally.
	Yeah.
	Like, if it happened to be, like, a day that I was going to take off work anyway, I would have hung out with him for free.
	1,000%.
	Do you girls think that's kind of like pathetic, though?
	Like, he's, like, paying her 200 bucks to hang out.
	Like, I don't know.
	it's a little for me i think it's like i think that someone did that for me i feel like that's like dedication that they want to see me like Okay.
	Yeah, that's exactly what I'm doing.
	How busy were you?
	How busy were you?
	I told you earlier, I was like, I work a lot.
	I love money.
	And I would rather make my, that's why I work so much because I would rather make my own and not depend on a man.
	And then you said that you see a lot of stuff on TikTok.
	Oh, wait, hold on.
	You see a lot of stuff on TikTok about how to marry a rich man and how to be more feminine to attract men.
	But I think it's best to just be yourself because the right man for you will love it.
	He's not going to criticize you for being too masculine.
	I'm all not going to criticize you for being.
	Are you, do you consider yourself too masculine?
	I mean, I don't really even know what too masculine is.
	I mean, maybe because I work a lot, maybe because I'm athletic, I lift weights at the gym.
	I don't know.
	Maybe some guys think that's too masculine, but I don't really care.
	Like, I'm just going to be myself.
	And I know whoever, like, my future husband is, whoever, like, universe wants me to be with, he's going to love me the way I am.
	He's not gonna be like, oh, I mean, I like her, but I just wish she were a little more feminine.
	Like, he would never say that.
	He would just, you know, like me ask you to you, I guess.
	Exactly.
	Okay.
	And if he were to criticize me, I would just, I would just walk away because I dealt with way too much criticism from my exes.
	And now, if a guy tries that now, I just, I won't even put up with it anymore.
	You said that you're a lover girl and used to think you had to tone it down, tone down that side of yourself and be more like a bad bitch.
	But now you're not afraid to show that side of yourself to the right guy?
	Yeah, so that was, you know, again, too, just so much, all this really bad dating advice.
	I was, you know, I was being told this information since I was in middle school, like 20 years ago, reading magazines, like before social media was a thing.
	And like there would be all these, all this dating advice of like, oh, don't text him back too quickly.
	You're going to look too desperate.
	Or like, don't, don't make the first move.
	The guy always has to make the first move because you don't want to look too desperate and just all shit like that.
	And have fucked with my head for so long.
	And I was like, oh, I need to be, like, it put this idea into my head that, like, if I'm too sweet, if I'm too kind, if I treat a guy too well, he's going to think I'm too easy or like not enough of a challenge and he's not going to like me.
	But it's like, that's just who I am.
	Like, I'm the same way with my girlfriend, with my female friends, like my family.
	Like, that's just kind of who I am.
	And it's like, I don't want to have to change that to keep a man.
	Like, again, too, like, the right guy for me, he's going to appreciate it.
	Although I have had, particularly with my last ex, the one who was very abusive, like, he really took advantage of my kindness and just really kind of like took, took everything from me.
	So now what I do is I'm just, I'm a lot more discerning about which meant what did he take from you?
	Everything.
	Like, I. Were you making all the money?
	Or how did he?
	So he, he wouldn't let me, he wouldn't let me work actually.
	Like, I was, I was working for Instacart and he he didn't want me working, but then he also didn't want to work either.
	And he would just beg, he would call his mom all the time and just beg his mom to give him money because he didn't want to work.
	And then he also didn't want me working.
	So basically, he wouldn't let me work.
	So while I was in that relationship with him, like, I lost so much money because I wasn't working.
	And then I stopped paying my credit card bills because I had no money to pay them.
	And then I ended up just not paying my credit card for like the whole relationship.
	And then as soon as we broke up, that was the first thing I did was I just started busting my ass with Instacart again.
	I was like, like I was sad about the breakup, but I was so excited to start working again.
	He also, he hated that I was into health and fitness.
	So like he wouldn't let me eat healthy.
	He wouldn't let me go to the gym.
	I gained 30 pounds when I was in that relationship.
	And then after we broke up, I lost all the weight within four months after we broke up because I was so motivated by trauma.
	Like I wanted my old body back so bad.
	And now, you know, that was two years ago and I've kept the weight off ever since.
	And like, he hated me being blonde, for example.
	Like, he would tell me every day, he was like, I like brunettes.
	I like girls with brown hair.
	And he would tell me every day, he'd be like, you should dye your hair.
	I don't like blonde girls.
	And I'm like, wait, are you naturally blonde?
	No.
	But he hated that.
	He hated that I wasn't.
	Wait, so you were blonde, he preferred brunettes, and you were naturally brunette.
	So you're saying I prefer the way you naturally are?
	He was like, but I was blonde when he met me, though.
	That's the thing.
	So it's like.
	Like, when I met him, I looked, you know, basically the same as I look now.
	I could see like a girl who's got like.
	But did he has he ever seen you with your brunette hair?
	No.
	Okay, what?
	I just don't say anything.
	Like, I don't have any on my Instagram.
	Like, I deleted them all.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	It was just like he had this thing too.
	He would also, he just hated anything.
	Can you stay closer to the mic?
	Oh, sorry.
	He just, he hated anything that was fake was like the big thing.
	Like, like, he would show me pictures of other girls on Instagram and he'd be like, this girl's really pretty, but he wears too much makeup.
	Or he would, like, criticize girls for getting like plastic surgery and lip filler and things like that.
	It was just.
	This guy sounds fucking awesome.
	Yeah.
	He was a natural body supremacist, right?
	Yeah, pretty much.
	He was basically, he was like, he just, it was just, if it was fake in any way, he just automatically hated it.
	He wanted me to dress.
	What was his name?
	First name, just first name.
	Eli.
	Yo, W's in the chat for Eli.
	W's in the fucking chat for Eli.
	This guy sounds like a fucking legend.
	I have a million stories.
	I have a million stories from that relationship.
	He also heated on me too, and that was why we broke up.
	Okay, but so going into it, you said for as far as marrying a rich man, is this your ex-fiancé?
	No, this is a different guy.
	No, this is a different guy.
	So as for marrying a rich man, my ex-fiancé had a lot of money.
	This is in your notes.
	Your ex-fiancé had a lot of money.
	He was also the same age as me, not older.
	We dated five years ago, and I was broke and struggling at the time.
	And I remember when we got engaged, I was so excited to upgrade my lifestyle through him because deep down, I didn't believe I could do it on my own when we broke up.
	I thought that just wasn't the type of girl rich man wanted.
	And now five years later, I make a lot more money and I realize I never needed him to feel successful, feel successful.
	I wish him well, but he wasn't a good match for me.
	So that was your five.
	Wait, hold on.
	Yeah, that was five years ago.
	Yeah, it was 2019.
	Five years ago.
	Okay, gotcha.
	And so when you say he had a lot of money, how much money did he have?
	So he was a software developer.
	So he was a freelance software developer.
	So basically, he owned his own business building apps for businesses, like for iPhones.
	Yeah.
	Like seven-figure net worth, eight-figure?
	Something, something like that, yeah.
	Yeah, which one?
	About seven figures, yeah.
	Sure.
	And I met him on social media.
	He slid into my DMs on Instagram randomly one day.
	And I was with him.
	I was with him for six months.
	We got engaged really fast, too.
	That was another thing I went through because before I was with him, I was single for five years.
	And I was convinced, like my pattern before is I would go on dates and I would date someone for maybe like two months or so at a time.
	But the same thing kept happening where the guy would always be like, I really like you, but I'm just not ready for a relationship.
	And that was happening to me over and over again.
	So I thought something was wrong with me.
	And then when this guy, he finally wanted to commit to me.
	And then when we got engaged after only dating for six months, I was like, oh, I'm finally good enough to be someone's wife.
	Like after five years of just guys being not ready for me, like now I'm finally good enough for this.
	But looking back on it, I mean, I wish him well.
	You know, he wasn't a bad guy or anything.
	But we just, we weren't, we weren't compatible.
	There were a lot of areas where we just didn't have things in common.
	And that's something I'm really picky about now is lifestyle compatibility.
	Like that is probably the number one thing I look for in a guy like in a relationship is lifestyle compatibility.
	Because I've built up since my last relationship ended, I've really like come back and rebuilt my life so good.
	And it's like, my life now as a single girl is so amazing that it's like, I don't ever want to have to give any of that up for a guy again.
	So if he doesn't fit into what I already have, like I don't want him.
	Okay.
	And then you're a cougar?
	I did date a younger man earlier this year.
	Yeah.
	For the first time.
	You're 33 and he was 25?
	Yeah, I was again met him on Tinder.
	Seems to be.
	I have good luck on Tinder.
	It works for me somehow.
	You said you were open to just hooking up, which is why you had your age filters set the way you have them on Tinder.
	And you said he planned like a really nice date or something.
	We won't really get into the details of that, but big contrast from your last ex.
	Yeah, so like my last ex, the one who was really abusive, like wouldn't let me work and all that.
	Hold on, pause for just a sec.
	He was abusive.
	Yeah, so he was saying that.
	Was he abusive?
	Because he didn't let you work?
	Or were there other things too?
	It was just a lot of mental and emotional, just criticism all the time, like trying to get me to make over myself to look more like his type.
	He was always like, he was talking to other women the whole time I was with him.
	He was cheating on you?
	Yeah, he never met up with any other women, but he would be talking to them on Tinder and other apps the whole time I was with you.
	Physical abuse or no?
	No, only a mental and emotional thing.
	Yeah, thank you.
	And he would say stuff like, I wish your hair was a different color.
	Yeah, stuff like that.
	He didn't like my clothes.
	He would like take me shopping and he would pick out clothes for me and it was just the ugliest clothes that I hated.
	Just curious, what other, like, would he ever like call you names?
	Like a bitch.
	Never like that.
	It was just always just criticizing me.
	He would be like, you work too hard.
	Like you're a workaholic.
	You're too obsessed with money because I wanted to work Instacart to pay my rent and not hang out with them.
	Yeah, so and then he would kind of be critical of how much you worked.
	Did he want to spend more time with you?
	Wait, I'm a little confused.
	He wouldn't let you work, but you worked anyway?
	Or can you clarify?
	So he would go to work with me, but then he would always want to leave like way earlier than I wanted to leave.
	Oh, you guys did the like Instacart thing together?
	Yeah, we tried to, but it was miserable because he would just be complaining the whole time and then he would want to leave super early and I would want to keep working.
	But you said he prevented you from working?
	I'm just a little confused.
	He wouldn't let me work by myself.
	But then every, he wouldn't let me work by myself.
	He always wanted to go with me.
	But then every time he went with me, he would want to leave super early.
	So I barely made any money.
	Wait, how long were you with him?
	Like eight months.
	Eight months.
	And this is the, wait, the ex-fiancee?
	No.
	No, this is the guy that I met right after.
	It was right after the pandemic ended.
	I started dating him.
	This isn't the young guy, though.
	No, no, he was same age as me.
	Okay, I see.
	Okay, but he's the guy you met.
	The young guy's the guy you met after the guy who you're talking about now.
	Yeah.
	Who was abusive?
	What was the most abusive thing he did to you?
	Probably, like, there was one point.
	This is, it was like halfway into our relationship.
	He got really into Christianity and he got this idea in his head that he was like, he wanted to stop having sex with me because he saw me as his future wife and he wanted to save me, like save me from marriage going forward.
	Like he was like, I don't want to have sex with you again until after we're married.
	But then he and then he would say things like, it's because you're such a good woman.
	You're so nice.
	You're so good quality and have your life together.
	But then he would talk about wanting to hook up with my roommate.
	He would be like, I want to have sex with your roommate because he's like a bad girl.
	He's like a slutty wild party girl.
	So I want to have sex with her, but I don't want to have sex with you.
	And you have evidence of him cheating?
	You said he cheated on you, correct?
	So that was how it ended.
	So that was how we broke up, was that he met up with another girl on Tinder and then spent 48 hours with her.
	And we were living together, so I just kicked her out.
	Was there was ongoing conflict, though, it sounds like in the relationship.
	Like, was it nearing the end anyways?
	I mean, it should have never, I should have never been with him in the first place.
	And so, because here's the part I'm a little bit confused about is I asked you for a couple examples of this alleged abuse.
	So, you said he became a Christian and stopped wanting to have sex with you.
	He had like criticisms of how much he worked, maybe criticisms like he wanted your hair to be changed.
	I don't know if this rises to the level of abuse.
	Perhaps these are rude things or it was more of just rude.
	He would argue, though.
	Like, he would say it in ways that were very argumentative, like a lot of yelling.
	Okay, so he was yelling at you.
	Yeah, and then I was, and then I would start, yeah, he would yell, and then I would start crying, and then he would accuse me of like, of like manipulating him.
	He'd be like, oh, you're just, you're faking, you're crying for attention when I would get sad over him criticizing me.
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah, basically.
	It just, I don't know if some of the maybe to me it felt abusive.
	It was emotional, yeah.
	To me, it felt abusive.
	Like, maybe other people, that might be nothing, but for me, that's how it feels like.
	Because the initial things that you cited to, like, he criticized how much you worked.
	He wanted you to maybe dress a certain way or wanted you to change your hair.
	I don't know if those things are abuse.
	And it seems to be perhaps like, obviously there's degrees to this sort of thing, but I don't know.
	I feel like that's a very intense word.
	That's abuse.
	I feel like it's abuse to not let somebody be able to do something.
	Yeah, it's just because that's like controlling and controlling may have been a better word.
	I apologize for that.
	Okay.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, I think I maybe.
	Controlling.
	I think I maybe didn't know the correct word, but yeah, basically, yeah, he was very controlling and just all the things that I guess kind of like made me who I am.
	Like he took that.
	He took that away from me and tried to turn me into a completely different person than what I was.
	Yeah, wouldn't that be considered emotional abuse?
	Yeah.
	What would be?
	Like the situation, like being emotionally abused basically is like someone bringing you down as like bringing you down.
	Sure.
	Yeah, he was bringing me down every single day.
	Was he working?
	Did he have a job?
	No, he no, he refused to get a job.
	He thought he was like too good for it.
	He was like.
	He had money?
	No.
	Was this the one you said that he called his mom for money?
	Yeah.
	Can I say something?
	So it sounds like you were a placeholder and then he was trying to change you to be what he wanted you to be.
	Exactly.
	That's exactly what he did.
	You were trying to be yourself because you liked him and he kind of liked you.
	And then you were trying to, like, you know, when you guys, you know, having sex, you're trying to make love and he's just trying to fuck.
	And you guys are not communicating that.
	Yeah, it was basically, yeah, it was just, I feel like I definitely, I was probably a placeholder.
	Because I'm like, I'm pretty sure he just kind of took advantage of me helping him.
	Because he was homeless when we met and I let him live with me.
	I hear stories like this all the time.
	All the time.
	Hold on.
	He was homeless?
	Like you met him on Skid Row or what are we talking here?
	No, I met him through a mutual friend.
	He was renting a room at a hostel in LA.
	Whereas like my friend who, my friend who I met him met him through at the hostel.
	Friend was like, it was like a friend that he used to live in LA, but then he moved back to his hometown in Texas, and then he was like on vacation.
	Friend, he was a gay man, so oh, okay.
	Yeah, so basically, this friend was on vacation back in LA, and he was like, Oh, I met this guy at my hostel who I think you're gonna like, you should come hang out with us.
	And that was how, but it was like he was staying there because he had no place to live, unlike my friend who was saying that.
	I don't know if this is a hot take.
	I don't know if this is a hot take.
	How about dating advice?
	Whether you're a man or a woman?
	Maybe, no, maybe like if somebody's actively homeless, maybe not the best person to date.
	You know, literally, let them agree.
	Although I will date them after they get their shit together, and then that's fine.
	I'm pretty sure he still doesn't have his shit together.
	I don't think he ever will.
	Okay.
	Well, you kind of invite certain things if you're going into relationships.
	Another thing that this guy is a drug dealer and he has face tattoos.
	This is because he did have face tattoos, actually.
	He literally did.
	Oh, my God.
	Wait, he has face tattoos?
	Yeah, yeah.
	You're 33.
	How old were you when you met him?
	I was 29.
	29?
	There's a lot of 29 and 30-year-olds that take in good-looking guys that don't really have a place to stay because they're lonely.
	Yes, the women feel lonely.
	Also, you can't just get like an average dude with a jungle.
	Because they want a guy there that they can fall asleep next to.
	So they fuck him so that he could fall asleep next to them.
	I hear stories like that all the time.
	Another thing, too.
	Did he have a face tattoo?
	Yeah, he did.
	And he was a SoundCloud rapper.
	That was his career.
	Did he used to sell drugs too?
	No, but has he ever been to prison?
	No, but he was an alcoholic, also.
	That was another thing.
	Oh, and how early into the relationship did you know he was an alcoholic?
	A few months in, not right away.
	Did he have an ankle monitor or anything like that?
	No.
	Are these girls?
	Oh, I'm dating this guy with a fucking face tattoo blasted in tats.
	Fucking.
	Dude, another thing I will say, though, is.
	Oh, I'm surprised you.
	Look, oh my goodness.
	Yo, another thing I want to add, though, is I think that.
	Did you fix him?
	Did you fix him?
	No.
	He's in case you're because he was trying to fix you.
	Life advice, ladies, don't date men with face tattoos.
	That's another simple thing you can do.
	Just avoid the guys with the face tattoos.
	Why are you talking shit about Mike Tyson?
	Oh, unless his face tattoo is your name.
	What?
	Are you saying that Mike Tyson should not be dated by women?
	No, look, there are probably guys out there with face tattoos who are great people.
	Post-moa.
	But maybe.
	It would just be easier.
	You know, look, there's plenty of fish in the sea.
	How about you just, you know, just like, eh, yeah.
	Dude, another thing, yo, another thing, can I cut in?
	Is I really blame, I think the timing had a lot to do with it.
	Because I met him, it was spring of 2021.
	Literally, like, pandemic just ended.
	I got my COVID vaccines.
	I had been in quarantine.
	We all had been in quarantine for a long time.
	Yeah, you went slumming.
	Yeah, and basically.
	Face tattoo.
	Yeah.
	And honestly, yeah, I just think the timing, I remember getting my COVID vaccines, finally being able to leave my house and do stuff again and be around people again.
	And then I met him a few weeks later.
	And I think it was, I think the timing definitely looked like a majority.
	I didn't get you pregnant.
	Are you just saying you were like mad, horny, and shit?
	Because I'm like, I heard that.
	Wait, so you did like full-blown for like you did full-blown, like stay-at-home, you didn't fuck for like a year type shit.
	Because my roommate, my roommate who I was living with had a really bad anxiety during the pandemic.
	And he basically wouldn't let me leave.
	Okay.
	He was like so scared that if I did anything, I would give him cobwebs.
	You had to clear out the fucking cobwebs.
	Too many cobwebs, had to clear them out.
	And the shit is a lot of men got very lucky in that period.
	Like all the liberal women hadn't fucked in like a year.
	Need the jab first.
	Then bam, floodgates are open figuratively and literally.
	Okay, moving on.
	Thank you for all that.
	Appreciate it.
	And then I think that's it for the notes.
	We're going to get into the juicy stuff in the questionnaire.
	But first, good friend Stiffler here.
	Ask everyone to rate their own looks on his own looks on a scale of one to ten, starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, gosh.
	And the public eye, probably a zero, but for me, like an eight?
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	The public eye is zero.
	Zero is harsh.
	Zero is freaking harsh.
	Come on.
	I'm sorry.
	Like a five.
	I don't know.
	All right, there you go.
	Okay.
	So I was called an it at the beginning of this.
	Do you recall how this started?
	Someone referred to me as it.
	Oh, the chat.
	Yeah.
	Somebody in the chat.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'll give myself a nine.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'd say like a solid seven.
	That feels comfy.
	Okay.
	I would say a one just because I have a lot of male friends and they're literally just friends.
	So probably one.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Ten.
	All right.
	Seven.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I'd say I'm a ten when I'm like done up, like hair and makeup, and then a nine when I'm right out of bed and not quite.
	Wait, sorry.
	She's at nine.
	So wait, sorry, ten?
	Yeah, like if I if I'm done up, like full glam hair and makeup, ten.
	If I'm right out of bed, then nine.
	Right?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Right out of bed.
	Like, like first thing in the morning when you wake up.
	Give me your pee.
	No, no, she said nine out of bed, ten when she's like done makeup and all that.
	Yeah, yeah, like when I'm like glammed up.
	Get it right, Desmond.
	What about you?
	I would say a nine just because I'm not where I would want to be at with like body wise.
	So we, okay, so we got nine.
	Wait.
	Nine, ten, ten.
	We got a very attractive panel tonight.
	My goodness.
	Goodness.
	Brian, it's so amazing.
	You're so single-handedly to bring on the most beautiful women anywhere in California.
	All you have to do is ask them.
	That sounds like a lot of fucking sarcasm right there.
	My feelings are.
	What?
	What do you mean?
	No, no, no.
	There's no sarcasm.
	I'm telling you, the amount of overwhelmingly gorgeous women who come on to whatever, bar none, nothing else like it anywhere in the world.
	I know, because I've asked so many of them this question to rate their looks.
	And I know that they're the most beautiful women in the world.
	Just ask them.
	You know what you need to do to convince Andrew?
	What?
	Is you need to do one of those like slow-mo, like, wait, hold on, I gotta put it on there.
	Like, slow-mo, like, undo the hair and just like let it shake out.
	Yeah, can you do that?
	Or is her gel back hair?
	Is your hair not going to do that?
	It will, like, take it out and just, like, let it.
	My hair is so nice right now.
	Okay, don't do anything for a man, girl.
	Don't do anything for the male gaze.
	Do it for you.
	Yeah, but I can't.
	I can, but you know, if you don't want to, you can't handle this bro.
	Because you like the male gauge.
	Did you ever think of that?
	Ooh.
	I didn't hear what he said legitimately.
	I literally said.
	I said, what if she's doing things like that because she likes the male gauge?
	Oh, no.
	I was just referring to this one specifically.
	Yes, I'm an attention whore.
	I, you know what I want?
	You have a nice body.
	Thank you, honey.
	Wait, who said that?
	Oh, Cass?
	Okay.
	Are you bi or are you trying to do that?
	No, I'm envying perky titties.
	That's cute.
	Because my titties are like down here without.
	Oh, word.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	That's only because I don't have titties.
	I'm wearing a push-up bra, so.
	My ex would hate me.
	You're wearing a push-up bra.
	It's fake.
	Who else has a Sternum tattoo, by the way?
	Anybody?
	Sternum tattoo?
	Sternum tattoo?
	It's that the one.
	Not yet.
	She has like a little dagger or some shit.
	Yeah, and then like.
	I felt the not yet.
	Yeah.
	Totally barbed wire.
	But I'm getting all of them removed.
	What's the history of the dagger or sword or whatever?
	I just got it simply because I wanted a tattoo right here.
	And then the tattoo artist was like, this would look nice.
	And I was like, is it a dagger or a dirk?
	It's a dagger.
	Are you sure?
	Yes.
	He said, well, the tattoo arts and it gets a dagger.
	Yeah, but what if he played a little trick?
	He did a little bamboozle and it's actually a dirk.
	Well, I don't even know what a dirk is.
	You should get with the program and learn about dirks.
	Because, oh my God, never mind.
	A dirk?
	Let me Google it.
	Make sure I'm.
	A short dagger of a kind formerly carried by Scottish Highlanders.
	So still a dagger.
	It is still.
	But there's different kinds of daggers.
	There's different kinds of daggers.
	Okay, whatever.
	Indeed.
	A dagger.
	It is indeed a dagger.
	So I did.
	For the nines and tens at the table, I want you to rate me.
	Rate my looks.
	Won't be offended.
	You can give me a zero.
	I won't be mad.
	You can give me a 10.
	I'll call you a fucking liar.
	Wait, wait.
	As a 10.
	Oh, wait.
	Did I not rate myself?
	As a 10, and I know I have to be a 10 because there's this many tens at the table.
	Of course, I'm going to be a 10 as well.
	Well, I would have to rate you, Brian, at, no, I don't know.
	Three, maybe.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	She's your friend.
	Some friend, some pal.
	Okay, that was useful.
	So, getting back to this, anyways, I'll give myself, I'll give my rating afterwards, I guess.
	So I need a rating from you, you, and then you two.
	Go ahead.
	I give you an eight.
	Okay, shut up.
	Yeah, I think you're handsome.
	Okay, go ahead.
	I'm not into white men, so I would say like a five.
	She's into white men, but a fucking moment.
	No, I say I'm not into white men.
	Oh, you're not into white men.
	Yeah.
	What are you into?
	Like his Mexicans?
	No.
	You're.
	Bro, you're.
	Hold on.
	You're definitely into Mexicans.
	Like, I've dated a Mexican.
	That's what I said earlier.
	He's not my friend.
	Oh, you're not.
	You're not.
	You're still dating a Mexican.
	And having sex with him.
	Yes.
	And letting him fuck other women.
	Like, multiple other women at the same time.
	Like, the same date.
	He's not my man.
	He can do whatever fuck he wants.
	I mean, she did say he wasn't her type.
	Like a girl.
	Yeah, I literally said that.
	Fair enough.
	What is your type?
	Asians.
	Oh.
	All right, then.
	Yes, I love me some.
	I'm not going to say it.
	That was a white.
	No.
	No.
	Love you some.
	Yeah.
	What?
	Say it.
	Just say it.
	Fuck it.
	Fuck it.
	Yellow.
	No, it's raised.
	It's racist.
	Yeah.
	Send it.
	Oh, it's racist.
	Yeah.
	I was going to say like a racist slur, but I love me some.
	The College of Show.
	She might have a wrong choice.
	Yeah, don't say that.
	Don't say that.
	Yeah, don't say that.
	Okay.
	I guess rate me on the scale of one to ten.
	No, for you, rate me on this.
	No, her.
	I'd say you're like an eight.
	Okay, what about you?
	Go ahead, Raimi.
	I say seven, but if you put moisturizer on, it would go up.
	I'm not trying, I'm just being helpful.
	I got more men holding my composure.
	I mean, I'm not helpful, though.
	Also, more men should be into skincare.
	Like, if a guy is into skincare, it's fucking hot.
	Nobody wants to swim.
	And it keeps you young.
	Look, you know, I got dry skin, you know, I got a little flakes going, so it is what it is.
	Yeah, I take really good care of my skin.
	I want a guy who does the same.
	Anyways, I give myself a five, so wrong, wrong, wrong.
	She was kind of born, I guess.
	I was.
	I said, so you only, you prefer just Asian, like black guys?
	No, no.
	Not my type.
	Are you half black, half white?
	Yes, I am.
	I'm black, white, and Native American.
	Which is the part of you that doesn't want to date black men?
	They all remind me of my father.
	That's not the question.
	So wouldn't you?
	Wait, they remind you?
	Wait, black people.
	Yeah, like, I don't know.
	I think, like, for me, I'm also into like mixing races.
	So, like, I don't want to be with a black man because my father's black.
	I don't want to be with a white man because my mother's white.
	Like, that's the satire thing I want.
	I want, you know, I think of like more of a, I like couples that aren't mixed up anymore.
	Yeah, like mixed up couples.
	I like biracial couples.
	Wait a name.
	That makes no sense.
	Anybody that you have children with is going to be mixed race.
	What do you mean?
	No matter what.
	No matter what.
	No matter who you have children with, the children are going to be mixed race no matter what.
	I think it's 50% of the couple.
	I don't want to interview with my race.
	50-50?
	No, I'm not 52.
	So you're like 25, 25, 50.
	Yeah, kind of, yeah.
	So your dad is.
	My dad is Native American and black.
	So he's 25 or 50 Native American, 50 black.
	Basically, yeah.
	And my mother is Native American and white.
	Okay, so you want to get, like, you want to break down the percentages even more.
	Like, you want to throw it.
	No, I just don't want to be, I just don't want to be with my race at all, like, anything that I am.
	You want to know?
	Damn, bro.
	So no white.
	No Native American.
	What about native of a different country?
	Like, indigenous to Australia, like the Aboriginal.
	No.
	You wouldn't fucking know what that was.
	That's why I like Mexicans or Asian.
	That's why I'm usually with Mexican or Asians.
	But aren't like Mexicans native-ish?
	Kind of?
	Like, it's native plus the Spanish.
	I mean, some.
	Yeah, somewhere.
	That's true.
	Well, that's mestizos.
	And mestizos are a mixture.
	That is most of the country.
	Yes.
	They're a mixture of one.
	Spaniards and the native population.
	That way.
	Yeah.
	But yes, my ideal is Asians.
	Would you date?
	What about like, well, I guess this would be kind of Asian?
	Would you date?
	I don't think they like.
	What's the appropriate word for Eskimo nowadays?
	Inuit.
	Inuit.
	Thank you, Andrew.
	Would you date an Inuit?
	What's an Inuit?
	An Eskimo.
	David, an Eskimo.
	What's an Eskimo?
	I believe it's Native Alaskan.
	What is Alaska?
	It's a Native American tribe.
	But it's like, okay, hang on, I got a question for you.
	Let us pretend for a second that it was a Native American guy, but he passed himself off as being Hispanic.
	So you dated him, right?
	For two years, he fell in love with him, and then he came clean and said that he was actually Native American, not Hispanic.
	Is he getting dumped?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Question: What if, what if, like, it's they're 75% Asian and 25% white?
	I could do a Asian.
	So Asian?
	You could do 50% Asian, 50% white.
	Yeah.
	75% white, 25% Asian.
	No.
	51% white, 49% Asian.
	Okay.
	I don't remember.
	Like, if they have the features of an Asian man, that's all I care about.
	What if you were dating the guy?
	And if plus plus, they have to be bilingual.
	They have to be bilingual.
	Okay, okay.
	But what if you're dating the guy and he thought legitimately he was Asian, but then later later he took a DNA test and he found out he was actually Hispanic and just really looked Asian.
	No.
	Is he getting dumped?
	Because I usually don't go for Filipinos, I wouldn't go for more like stuff like that.
	Like the Japanese or the Korean.
	No, not Japanese either.
	Would you?
	Their heads are too big.
	Would you date Nikki over there?
	Like if you were a male.
	Like she's Cambodian.
	Yeah.
	This is kind of getting crazy.
	Can I say something slightly racist?
	Is that okay?
	Right, because you have like the face of the colour.
	Absolutely not.
	Yeah, don't say Asian.
	Then something else.
	So I prefer black men, but I can't find like a Stefan Urkel.
	I keep on getting like Sheldon Coopers.
	And part of the reason why I identified as Desmond.
	Femme cell is because I ignore those guys.
	Like I don't want white guys, Asian guys.
	Like I want a black dude.
	So how tall?
	Wait, hang on.
	I'm sorry.
	Let me make sure I got this right because I think I understand what you're saying.
	Are you actually saying that, because you mentioned Steve Urkel Stefan?
	Yeah, I would prefer like a Stefan.
	The alter ego.
	You prefer the Stefan or the Urkel?
	I prefer Urkel.
	You prefer the Urkel.
	Yeah.
	Okay, I see.
	Yeah.
	So instead, you're getting the really good-looking, suave ladies man who's awesome.
	No, Hang on, hang on.
	That's the Stefan, though.
	Okay, my bad.
	When I think of Urkel, I think of young Urkel.
	But I mean, grown up, Steve Urkel, like, that's my ideal man.
	Like, high-functioning, autistic black dude.
	Like, that's what I'm saying.
	That's what I mean.
	Desmond.
	So what about you?
	Desmond, get over here, bro.
	Desmond, get in here, bro.
	What do you think about Desmond?
	He's too attractive.
	I don't like men that are too attractive.
	He's too attractive.
	Yes.
	So you just want a guy who breaks all your shit and then says, did I do that?
	Really?
	I think that...
	Well, not...
	You're going to like walk around your apartment and break all your stuff and then be like, I do that.
	Really?
	That's the goal?
	I want high-functioning autistic blackmail.
	Oh, my goodness.
	And only white dudes are like in my DMs.
	So I just, I friend zone them and I'm waiting for my man.
	So that's what I want.
	Hey, it's okay to have a type, though.
	I think we all do on some level.
	Period.
	Wait, would you, Anissa?
	Do you have a brother?
	No.
	Would you like date her, bro?
	Like, she's Asian?
	Wait, what's the percentage breakdown, though?
	Oh, no.
	Like, would that be?
	you're like what are you like what is your i'm tired No.
	Thai?
	You won't do Thai?
	They have small...
	Jack talk tie?
	Yeah.
	No.
	No, Thai.
	Don't do Thai.
	Would you just do like Chinese and Korean?
	Because they're the light-skinned Asians.
	Like the Southeast ones or the dark ones.
	It honestly just depends.
	I'm not picky with Asians.
	Like, it could be like...
	Like Mongolian?
	Like, do you fuck with Mongolians?
	I don't know exactly what they are.
	But I'm not picky about it.
	It's based.
	And also I'm based, I really like personalities.
	Like I fall for personalities, but if you're like, you're, are you, are you going to like try to go to like Korea or Japan or something?
	Yeah, I'm going to Korea for my breakfast.
	Oh, dude, she's like a reverse passport.
	I can speak Korean.
	She's a passport, bro.
	She's like, fuck these Western dudes.
	I'm going to go get me a nice Japanese, a based Japanese dude.
	Actually, I just want to go to Korea for the skincare.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Cool.
	Nice facial.
	Right now, there's an incel uprising going on in South Korea, so it's a really good time to go.
	I know.
	Yeah, is the martial law, was that removed, or is that still...
	Oh, no, yeah.
	They completely resisted it, and it's definitely not going to go into effect.
	Well, no, the president incels one government of South Korea, zero.
	No, no, no, but the president, I don't know about the incel thing.
	The president put into place martial law.
	Did you hear about this?
	No, he attempted to put into place martial law, and the population summarily rejected it, and parliament went and said, no way, that's not going to happen.
	So it's over.
	Oh, it's done.
	Okay.
	Do you know why?
	What?
	Anyway, well, I don't know if we need to.
	Because they said that they had an actionable threat from North Korea, and the population didn't buy it.
	They told them to shut up.
	And that hasn't really happened before, and nobody really knows how to deal with it.
	Okay.
	Well, anyways, getting back to this question.
	Going back around the table, let's see.
	Would you rate me?
	Huh?
	Will you rate me?
	You want me to rate you?
	Yeah.
	What did you give yourself?
	A 10?
	Would I rate you?
	Let me see.
	Let me stand up.
	Sure, why not?
	If you want to.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	Uh, you're, uh, huh.
	You are.
	You have pretty eyes.
	I'll give you that.
	You're like, I'll give you Nate.
	That's good.
	That's good.
	Okay.
	No?
	Andrew U-rated.
	Yeah, what are you rating?
	No, wait, no, no, no, not him.
	I think that's fair.
	No.
	No, no, no.
	What?
	Andrew Boobs.
	Hey, shut up, Andrew.
	All right, everybody.
	Hey, hey, Andrew.
	That's facts.
	He ain't like.
	Andrew.
	Andrew.
	You kind of did say that.
	As a defender.
	I'm actually that one.
	I am triggered.
	I am so triggered, Andrew, as a defender of the itty-bitty titty committee.
	I'm part of the itty-bitty titty committee.
	I would prefer.
	They're not even itty-bitty.
	They're just not titty.
	It's not itty-bitty titty, no titty.
	Hey, she's got a solid.
	Wait, him or her?
	Andrew, you are body shaming.
	Y'all see that little lump rate.
	Can I ask a question?
	She has a good sense of humor about this shit.
	Hats off to you.
	That brings your rating up at least one point from a 3.4 to like a 4.2-ish.
	Boom.
	Not a 4.2.
	That's fine.
	Go ahead.
	What's your question?
	I have a question for you and Andrew.
	Do you guys prefer tits or ass?
	Oh, boobies are titties.
	Well, you don't.
	So, okay, my answer to this.
	Oh, my God.
	I'm a labia guy.
	I just want to know what tits are ass.
	I'm a labia guy because I only date women with large labia.
	Oh, okay.
	Interesting.
	That's interesting.
	Yeah, it's interesting.
	So you've got to see it first before you even get a chance.
	What's labia?
	You know, innies and outies?
	Like belly buttons?
	A little further south.
	Girl.
	A little further south.
	Oh, oh.
	Yeah, like I. Like the male dialects.
	I thought it was more like a scientific, more version of a size queen?
	Yes, I am.
	It is revenge.
	Like, there's different ones.
	So you don't.
	I never knew until I started dancing.
	You don't have a preference between those two people.
	No lady on the table.
	Yeah, me all the way.
	Wait, guys, guys, guys, so this is like, I don't know.
	The labia, it's out.
	Like, there's wings.
	There's lips.
	Yeah, wings.
	That's a wings.
	Wings.
	So big inner, not big outer.
	Specifically, inner.
	Well, so yeah, there's the inner.
	That's nothing which one you prefer.
	Both big.
	Oh.
	But if one or the other, I guess the inner, the lips, that's kind of more so my preference, but like outer, big labia, big outer labia, good too.
	Okay.
	Sam me up.
	But more to work with or more to work with or just purely revenge, as you said.
	No, no, you said it was revenge or that was banter.
	It's not okay.
	I don't care.
	Not revenge.
	She's asking.
	I mean, so it was mine, but she was asking if it was like the reverse of the size queen or the like.
	You're in prevention.
	No, no, not revenge.
	That's crazy.
	It's just like I think like aesthetic thing.
	Kind of like, and then there's like a difference.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, you date women, right?
	Like, do you have a preference or you don't care?
	No preference.
	No, you don't care at all.
	Whatever's attached to the person I like.
	Yeah.
	And look, I'll date a girl with an annie, but like I got a preference, you know?
	How about it, honey?
	I dated.
	I got a preference.
	What's up?
	I had a girlfriend one time.
	The one time I had a girlfriend, and she showed me her vagina.
	And I'm pretty sure it was like a labia, like you said, and I didn't like it.
	It immediately turned me off from her.
	Like, not to be fucked up, but I wasn't attracted to her after I've seen how it worked.
	Can I mention another show?
	Because y'all should all watch that show, Naked Attraction.
	You know what I'm talking about?
	Anyways, you would love to do that.
	Yep.
	Wait, so hold on.
	You rejected her because she had to.
	Well, we were dating for like six months, but we never did anything.
	But then she showed me a picture of hers.
	Showed you pictures.
	Yeah, of her vagina, and I was turned off.
	Is she around?
	No, we don't talk.
	We haven't talked in years, but like, we're still late.
	So we're just give it to her.
	I could pass it your way.
	I get you.
	You scratch my back.
	Yeah, I got you.
	Wait.
	You're only into white girls?
	No, it's because of the labia.
	What?
	Oh.
	No, I'll date.
	I date.
	I'll date.
	I date white girls, Asian women, Latino women, sometimes mixed race women, Wasians.
	I'll date anybody if I like them.
	And their labia is huge.
	But so, okay, to answer your actual question, though, I don't like boobs.
	More of a butc guy, like of the two options, more of a butc guy than a boob guy.
	But I figured most guys prefer butts.
	I mean, small boobs, cool, nice.
	Big boobs, cool.
	I don't like there's never, like, if a girl was totally flat, I wouldn't not date her because of that.
	It's not, I don't really care that much.
	And then, but also, but it's like if she doesn't have a butt, I don't really care.
	That's good.
	There's more important things.
	There's like, yeah, labia is cool, I guess.
	But yeah, I mean, there's more important things too, I guess.
	What about like the BBL bandits?
	How do you feel about BBLs?
	Oh, that would actually be a situation where I would probably not date a girl if she had a BBL or fake boobs.
	No offense, Nikki.
	That's okay.
	Just, I don't know.
	I don't really like the plastic thing.
	They look like they're walking around with filled up diapers.
	It's gross.
	The BBL.
	Does anybody here have a BBL?
	No?
	No.
	I can't even get my teeth fixed.
	One guy offered to pay for veneers for me.
	You should have taken it.
	You should have taken it.
	Because he's not my type.
	He's not my type.
	I would have taken it.
	The veneers don't have to be your type.
	Listen, these things are expensive, okay?
	Mine, fake.
	Absolutely.
	You have veneers?
	I don't have veneers.
	I have two bridges.
	I was born without two of my teeth, so I didn't really get much of a tool.
	But yeah, Nikki, just, I guess to answer your question totally, small boobs, big boobs, both cool.
	Big butt, small butt.
	Both cool.
	You wanted to ask Andrew this too?
	Yeah, I want to hear what he says.
	If you prefer assertits, which one do you like better?
	So is this a question of have to choose?
	Just your preference.
	It's a really, really nice rear, but flat, or they have a really nice rack, but no, no, but.
	Is that what the heart of the question is?
	I think so, yeah.
	Like, and like, you know, if you were to have a girlfriend, like, would you want, do you have an idea?
	Like, you'd want her to have a good body like that, like a nice ass, or would you be kind of disappointed if she had no ass?
	Yeah, that would be a deal breaker for me, I think.
	Yeah.
	I feel like I'm done.
	I respect the honesty.
	I think another thing that would be uh I think I think that that like there's something about that, I think, for even most men that and I think that it has to do with there's a there's almost this Disney-esque image that they tried to capture for years of the hourglass figure of a woman.
	And you can see in that hourglass figure, they're looking at kind of, you know, big rack, right, with a skinny waist, which moves into kind of a rounded hip area, right?
	And the reason that this was something of ideal is because all of those things kind of coexist with the idea of childbirth.
	So it's no wonder that so many men are attracted to that type of figure because obviously the things that we're attracted to would lead to reproduction.
	Otherwise, we wouldn't be attracted to them generally, right?
	So there's no doubt in my mind that Disney tried to capture that image of the shape because it's something that both men like and women aspire to.
	You had something?
	Oh, yeah.
	I think another thing that kind of comes into play too is that anyone, is that like you can you can grow your butt by going to the gym and like doing certain exercises to grow your butt.
	But if you want to grow your boobs, like really the only option is plastic surgery.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	That is true.
	Yeah.
	And like I know there's only so much you can do in the gym.
	Or you could get fat.
	Yeah.
	But it's really hard to gain the weight there.
	Or get pregnant and have a bunch of kids.
	So I just realized that this is going to be on the internet forever.
	They actually do have this weight gain thing called a pitamin and it helps grow your boobs.
	And it helps yourself.
	But it helps grow other things.
	Your penis.
	I don't know.
	Does it work for penises?
	You should try it.
	You should try it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Nikki.
	Appreciate it.
	All right.
	So back to the whole rating thing.
	I guess, let me see here.
	Just to be clear, like, so you're 10, I'm an eight.
	Just you'd be settling for me?
	I want someone.
	Another thing, too, I'm looking for is lifestyle.
	I was saying lifestyle compatibility earlier.
	Like, I'm really into skincare.
	I'm really into eating healthy, going to the gym.
	Like, I take really good care of myself.
	So I want a guy who also does that.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So, anyways, so going around the table, do you guys, do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
	Look, physical looks, do you think they'll be better in 10 years' time?
	So you're 27.
	Will you be better looking at 37?
	I hope I look better at 37.
	I just like to continually improve myself for me.
	But like, realistically, I'm probably going to look like trash.
	I have a degenerative condition.
	I love that.
	You're 27.
	Do you think you were better looking at 18?
	Absolutely not.
	Okay.
	I looked like a hobgoblin at 18.
	I've had the glow-up of glow-ups.
	A glow-up of glow-ups.
	Repulsive.
	A hobgoblin.
	3 out of 10.
	I've never would not recommend it.
	Hobgoblin.
	Okay.
	Nikki, you're 25.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time at 35?
	Yes, because I want to be a MILF by then, and everyone loves a good MILF.
	I took some MILF.
	I love that.
	There's a button just for that.
	There is a button.
	It was like opportunity.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What about 20 years' time at 45?
	Yeah, I would still, I want to keep my, you know, I already have a fast metabolism and I work out from, you know, my job.
	So I like staying in shape.
	Yeah, what about 30 years' time at 55?
	I better be looking this good still at 55.
	Okay.
	40 years' time at 65.
	I hope I never let myself go.
	I better, you know, I would hope so.
	Okay.
	So better looking at 65 versus now at 25?
	No, no, no.
	I don't think nobody's going to want me at 65.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	Like, everyone.
	I don't know, man.
	No, I feel like.
	I'm like probably in my prime, like now in the next 10 years.
	And then after that, I think it's.
	But just to be clear, the comparison still would be: you will, in 10 years' time, you'll be better looking at 35 than you are now at 25.
	Yeah, I feel like I could.
	And then 45 still?
	45 better than 25?
	I feel like I could if I continue to work out.
	Rachel, you were 19, better looking in 10 years' time at 29.
	God, I hope so.
	Well, regardless of your hope or God, do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time at 29?
	Yeah, I do.
	Okay.
	And then 20 years' time at 39?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	30 years' time at 49?
	Probably not.
	Okay.
	And then, Cassie, you're 31.
	Better looking in 10 years' time at 41?
	No.
	And then you're 31.
	Were you better looking 10 years ago at 21?
	No, I was morbidly obese.
	I was morbidly obese.
	Okay.
	So no.
	Sure.
	Nothing wrong with being morbidly obese, but no.
	Make that clear.
	Well, your arteries probably disagree, but not yours.
	I mean, like, attractive.
	Oh, anybody obese in general?
	Okay, whatever.
	You're 23, better looking in 10 years' time at 33.
	Better looking than now?
	Probably not, but I'll still look good.
	still look good fair enough and then i want to thank my black side for that All right.
	You're 22, better looking in 10 years' time at 32?
	I think I'll look better because hopefully I'll have like big old pregnancy titties.
	Word.
	Okay.
	What about?
	What if you're not pregnant, though?
	I don't know.
	I think I look like I could still pass as a minor, so I would hope that I would look more like an adult by then.
	What?
	Second that one.
	Besides the tattoos, like I feel like I look pretty young.
	So in any case, okay, you're 22 now.
	Do you think you'll be better looking as compared to now in 10 years' time at 32?
	I would hope I look more like a woman, so yes.
	Okay, what about 20 years' time?
	42 versus 22?
	No, definitely better now.
	All right.
	You're 33, better looking in 10 years' time at 43.
	I mean, I plan on it.
	Yeah, I want to get better and better every year.
	That's the goal.
	Okay, what about 20 in comparison to 33, better in 20 years' time at 53?
	I mean, by then, too, it's I feel I feel like by then, maybe medical technology and skincare will be a lot more advanced by then, and healthy food will be better.
	So it's certainly not impossible.
	Okay, what about 30 years' time, 63?
	Again, you know, same thing.
	Technology is going to keep getting more and more advanced, and who knows?
	Okay, how about this?
	Let's remove the possibility of you ever having any sort of cosmetic procedure or any sort of in you can eat really good, whatever, totally fine, but you can't use any sort of cosmetic intervention.
	So, going back to 10 years' time, 43 versus now at 33?
	I mean, if I couldn't do that, then yeah, probably not, but I would still look good.
	Sure.
	Okay, and then you're 33 now.
	Do you think you are better looking now at 33 than you were at 23?
	Oh, definitely.
	Like, I make a lot more money now.
	I was broke when I was 23.
	Like, I still looked good.
	I still took care of myself as best as I could, but like, I didn't really have, I didn't have a lot of money to spend on healthy food or good skincare or nice clothes.
	And I have that money now.
	So, and I've just, I've gotten a lot more confidence since then, too.
	I've really kind of found like my style and an aesthetic that I like.
	And I think, yeah, I definitely think I look better now, mainly because I love myself more and I have more money.
	Okay, but so when you say you're more successful, you mean like you were able to afford certain things that make you look better.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Like healthier food, better quality skincare, like more expensive, nicer clothes, things like that, which I could not afford when I was 23 because I was broke at the time.
	Okay.
	But like, let's say you became a billionaire and absent any cosmetic surgeries.
	So like at 53, you would be able to buy like the best clothes and eat the best food.
	Do you think you'll be better looking at 53 as a billionaire than now at 33?
	I would say at least the same, probably.
	This thing.
	The same?
	Yeah, at least, yeah.
	Do you think 30-year-olds typically look the same as 50-year-olds?
	I would say, if they're not billionaires, no.
	How old is Jeff Bezos?
	Trying to think.
	He's like in his, is he almost 60?
	Donald Trump.
	I was going to say 80.
	No, I think he's late 30.
	Jeff Bezos is 60, huh?
	He's a billionaire.
	He doesn't look 10.
	Obviously, they didn't work out.
	Okay.
	And then you're 26.
	Better looking in 10 years' time at 36?
	I seem to age backwards, so probably.
	I'm just hoping, like she said, I just hope that I have like a curvier body and all that.
	More MILFI.
	Other than that, yeah.
	My face stays the same.
	I've looked the same since I was like 12.
	Okay.
	What about 20 years' time at 46?
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm going to be like Beyonce.
	30 years' time, 56?
	That might be when I start declining.
	Like, the wrinkles will start showing.
	That's the peak, like kind of the peak, the end of the peak.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Do we have the age forward pictures?
	Yeah.
	Uh-uh.
	We'll do both batches.
	Oh, my.
	We're going to do both batches.
	You got all of them?
	Did you account pregnancy for me?
	No, we did not account for pregnancy, unfortunately.
	All right.
	Babe.
	Babe status.
	Okay, next.
	Oh, God, I don't want to say that.
	Ew.
	Ew.
	Okay.
	So bad.
	Next.
	I was so scared.
	Me too.
	All right.
	You look like you work at the front desk of an elementary school for summer.
	I don't know.
	I feel that.
	I see that.
	Yeah, I'm like a librarian.
	You could be a good library.
	I'm a D lady.
	Yeah.
	DMB.
	Okay.
	DMB carded.
	DMB and the ugly pieces.
	Oh, it's kind of good looking.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	All right.
	Next.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I look normal.
	I kind of look like the same.
	Okay, next.
	That's how mine's going to be next.
	Next.
	Okay.
	Oh, God.
	Sheesh.
	So wait, which one?
	Just wait.
	Oh, hold on, hold on.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm so sorry to do this.
	Can you go back to the first one?
	I'll get through them quick, but I just realized something I should do.
	First one?
	Yeah.
	And then we'll go through it again.
	Pull it up.
	Before you do it, as we're going through, I want you to tell me which one you think is better looking.
	Okay?
	Pull it up.
	Left or right?
	Oh, yeah.
	The right is so much.
	No, yeah.
	The left one looks better.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Youthful.
	Obviously, the left.
	Make it bigger.
	Scary in the right one.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Yeah, they kind of did you dirty on the bottom.
	They did.
	They really did.
	They kind of did you dirty on the next one, I think.
	Why'd your eyes become definitely the left?
	Okay, next.
	Surprisingly, I like both of them because I don't really look that bad.
	They're kind of next.
	Yeah.
	I can't really see, but yeah, left.
	Okay.
	Get the scroll of prescription.
	You want some reading glasses or something?
	I can't.
	It's legitimately like bad.
	I literally forgot mine.
	It's okay.
	Next.
	Definitely the left, bro.
	Okay, next.
	You look like your mom.
	Which one do you have?
	Left or right?
	Which one do you think?
	I look rough.
	I'm going to make sure I do not look like that.
	Okay, good luck, I guess.
	All right, 20 years' time.
	All right.
	So left is better.
	Yeah, definitely.
	Go ahead.
	Left, for sure.
	Left.
	Okay, and then there's a second batch you said you had.
	Why do you need my chest?
	Next.
	What's happening?
	Big, Is that younger?
	What is that?
	Is that younger?
	Bigger?
	I'm going to work for it, but whatever it might be.
	There we go.
	Let's do it like that.
	Can we do one with both?
	Do I at least know how we're roasting before we roast me?
	No, it's.
	Which one?
	Left or right?
	Is that backwards?
	There's a lot of crow's feet going on in this in the right picture.
	Also, like, have you seen the weird eye trick where they like turn your eyes upside down?
	It makes you look funky.
	Oh, my eyes kind of look.
	I see it.
	Yeah, well, it's AI.
	It's a little on the side.
	Left or right?
	Left.
	Okay, next.
	Ew.
	The left.
	Why are they doing that?
	What the hell is that?
	Why is it looking good?
	They changed my race.
	I don't change that.
	She's got a nose.
	Jaw biggest one.
	Like, what's going on here?
	Bigger.
	Why would her tattoo just completely boobs still look good?
	What the?
	You know, the upside-down eyes thing.
	It's kind of crazy looking.
	Oh, like a skinny looker.
	You know what I mean?
	Why did you get left?
	I don't look.
	Okay, next.
	Left or right.
	Oh, definitely.
	Right.
	Well, you look cute.
	Really?
	Yeah, you look really good.
	Yo, give her your glasses.
	Give her a shit.
	Honestly, you're not far.
	It's not bad.
	No, it looks really good, actually.
	Next.
	In comparison to everyone else.
	My skin looks shiny.
	Glow up.
	Yeah.
	She said glow up.
	Next.
	I feel like that's a shit.
	How about this one?
	Don't make you look different.
	I thought you're better than the other one.
	Yeah.
	If I look like that when I'm like 80, that would be good.
	80?
	80 or 70?
	That's not 80.
	What's this filter?
	That's supposed to be.
	Yeah, what is AI?
	Oh.
	Wow.
	That's not bad.
	Yeah, that's not bad.
	I don't know.
	She likes her self-defense.
	I like a both.
	Is there more?
	Did they do me or?
	I was just going to say that.
	One of your eyes is a different guy.
	That's it?
	That's actually so my personality.
	Is there more?
	My multiple personalities are showing.
	What is it?
	I got 12.
	Is it safe?
	Do you want it?
	There's not like TOS, is it?
	Me too.
	No.
	Okay, fuck it.
	Pull it up, bro.
	It's not like nudity, right?
	It's not like some fucked up weird shit, right?
	No.
	All right.
	Bro, what the fuck?
	Yo!
	Hey, dude.
	It's cute.
	It's cute.
	Is that fucking ghost who did that shit?
	Bro.
	It's a cute picture.
	I like it.
	You know what?
	I thought it was real.
	I thought it was real.
	That's actually a real picture, bro.
	It's actually a real picture.
	Yeah.
	Shit.
	There's an ND.
	No, just kidding.
	Okay.
	Where are we?
	We need to get through.
	Oh, we're going to get into the questionnaire finally.
	Gonna get into the questionnaire.
	So here's the juicy stuff, right?
	I feel like we were all confused for this.
	I'm excited to see how many I actually have to do.
	Actually, you know what?
	Yeah.
	Who here wants cold pizza?
	Anybody?
	My main ollie is.
	Maybe, yeah.
	Maybe we do like a little intermission with the roast session, I think.
	Could be warranted.
	Just being roasted?
	I want to be roasted.
	I want to be roasted.
	No, she's my favorite.
	You want cold pepperoni pizza?
	Sure.
	Yeah?
	Is anyone gonna be afraid of me?
	I'm gonna pick the pepperoni off?
	I'm okay.
	Thank you, though.
	No?
	No?
	So, yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Yeah.
	Yes, yes.
	Okay.
	We'll do it.
	While I'm going to go get that out prepped with my servant, a dog.
	Servant, assistant.
	Sorry, I need someone.
	I wiped out from the screen.
	I kind of didn't even hear it.
	Servant.
	Servant lady.
	I totally thought that.
	It sounded natural.
	Andrew, what is a, you know what, Andrew?
	Why don't you ask them a really thought-provoking question?
	Politics.
	While I get this pizza served up.
	Actually, before I get up, though, guys, during this little, it's going to be a pizza roast session.
	We're going to do 69.
	If you guys want to get a roast in, we're going to do a $69 TTS during the pizza intermission.
	If you want to get it in, get it in.
	It's going to be $69 TTS.
	Andrew, take it away, good sir.
	Yeah, so quick question for the panel.
	And we can start with chair one moving around.
	If now I know you guys only compare yourselves to your own standards, but within your own standards, right?
	Who would be the woman that you would point to as being the set standard for what you would consider all attractive women to be compared against?
	Like whoever it is.
	Like in the room or?
	No, no, no.
	Okay.
	No, just in general.
	Oh, I legitimately don't have one, and I know you're going to say that's not the right answer, but it's just like yours.
	I would say like Zendaya.
	Yeah, like Zendaya.
	Yeah, hang on.
	Let's go one at a time.
	Going around the table.
	Next?
	Ariana Grande.
	Oh, yeah.
	Ariana Grande.
	Okay, next.
	Renee Rapp.
	Who's Renee Rapp?
	She's like a musician, but she also did like musicals and acting.
	She kind of does a lot.
	Okay.
	Next?
	My first grade teacher.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah, like a famous person.
	Oh, a famous person.
	Like, just based on looks?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, whoever you would, if you picture this person, this famous person, this would be what you would compare the beauty standard of all women against.
	Beyonce.
	Kind of your perfect beauty standard.
	Go ahead.
	Beyonce.
	Beyonce.
	Okay.
	Next.
	I said Zendaya.
	Zendaya.
	Madeline Klein.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Oh, any of the Victoria Secret Angels, all of them?
	Like Bella?
	Yeah, or like Elsa Haask or Adriana Lima.
	Yeah, all of them.
	Next?
	Megan Fox.
	Really big.
	Megan Fox.
	She's beautiful.
	A young Megan.
	Yeah, a young Megan.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	So the follow-up question to this is: if you think that you look anything like the women that you just cited, go ahead and raise your hand.
	A little bit.
	A little bit?
	A little bit.
	Yeah?
	So like if we pulled up a picture for right now.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah, definitely.
	You would look a lot like her.
	Yeah, I could see it.
	Yeah, I can see it.
	For sure.
	Definitely.
	Okay.
	gotcha and then uh the oh it looks like pizza's being served here Like, somewhat, I guess.
	Somewhat?
	Yeah, a little bit.
	Somewhat.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	No, because you're being less confident.
	Okay, okay, fair enough.
	The follow-up question to this is: if you consider all of these women to be tens and you declared yourself to be a 8, 9, or 10, how could you be an 8, 9, or 10 if these beautiful?
	No, I said 10.
	I said 10.
	Yeah, okay, great.
	How could you be a 10 if the most beautiful woman that you could think of, you're less attractive than her?
	No.
	I have a point on that.
	I think there's so many different types of beautiful women.
	She was just the easiest one to come up.
	I'm going to give you an answer, and then we'll move up right over here.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	Wait, sorry, say it again.
	Are you more or less attractive than this woman?
	I would say, well, yeah, I would say.
	You're the same level.
	Yeah, I would say same level.
	Like, because I think I'm gorgeous.
	I literally personally think I'm really fucking pretty.
	So I personally think that.
	But someone else can disagree with me.
	You know what I mean?
	What if you disagree with you?
	No, I don't.
	You said that she's the standard of all beauty, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay, because I got.
	Give me this chick's name again.
	Zendaya.
	With a Z?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	How do you know who Zendaya is?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	She played in the movie Doom.
	She's a small artist.
	Play the moody and Dune with Timony, Timothy.
	You don't look anything like this.
	Like, you look nothing at all like this chick.
	What are you smoking?
	You don't look anything like this.
	Oh, my God.
	You a hater.
	You a hater.
	What?
	Let me see.
	Let me see it.
	What?
	Pull up a picture of Zendaya.
	Do you got to pull up a picture?
	Andrew, when you say she doesn't look like her, like, you said, sorry, Zendaya is, like, really attractive.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Yeah, you're better looking than her.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, you're better looking than her.
	How would you hold her to the standard of all female beauty?
	I think because she is like very, like, she has a very light skin.
	And then also she's very tall and her body's slim.
	And she has amazing hair and amazing skin and amazing eyebrows.
	And like, yes, that's fine.
	And she doesn't wear a lot of makeup.
	And she's also very natural with her makeup all the time.
	Like, she doesn't go all the way out.
	Like, she doesn't, yeah, she's very natural.
	She's a perfect 10.
	Yeah, she's like, I like how natural she is.
	She's all like, she's not one of like, yeah, she's all natural.
	That's why I like her.
	She's so intelligent.
	All right, so going over to the who else said that they were a 10?
	Okay, and who did you say was the beauty scenario from which you would compare all women?
	But I said the Victoria's Secret Angels.
	Yeah, which one, though?
	Any of them?
	All of them, really.
	Which one?
	Do you have one in mind, though?
	Probably there's Elsa Hosk or Adriana Lima or Jasmine.
	Yasmin took and do you think you look like any of these women?
	Yeah, kind of, yeah.
	Which one?
	Probably Elsa, the blonde one.
	And it's Elsa Hosk?
	Yeah.
	Okay, let's take a look.
	I want to change my answer, too.
	Now you guys want to change your answer.
	all right let's take a look you again you look nothing at all like this one like Like, not even a little bit.
	That's okay.
	Yeah, I mean, it's not even to say that she's more or less attractive.
	It's just how do you, like, how do you guys see similarities and features between different women who don't look anything like you?
	Wait, the question is a beautiful woman.
	You want to give us a lookalike?
	Can you do that?
	You can give me a lookalike.
	Guys, I have the audio piece in.
	I can only hear one at a time.
	What were you saying?
	Do you want to give us a look alike?
	Like, tell us who you think we look like?
	Please do.
	Well, I don't know.
	I'm not very good with faces, but especially like famous women, because I just don't care that much.
	When I look at the picture of who it is that you're saying you look like, and I'm trying to look at it and like, oh, they snapped a picture of her in her glam, and then they snapped a picture of her when she's not.
	And thus far, you guys really don't look anything like these women you hold to all nothing.
	You don't look anything like this woman.
	Nothing.
	Can you look up Janae Iko?
	Is she who you're talking about?
	Oh, yeah, yeah, that is.
	Okay.
	Can you look up Janae Eiko?
	I feel like she's definitely, I feel like, would look similar to me more so than Ariana.
	I feel the same way.
	I only said her because she's a blonde one.
	Like Adriana Weima, Jasmine, Arnwand.
	Who do we think are like, do we look like him?
	Oh, okay.
	I don't think I look like Beyoncé.
	I think Beyonce's pretty, though.
	Yeah, that's what the question was.
	Oh, okay.
	So who, okay, so I'd like to change.
	Can I change my answer?
	Yeah, but can you tell me what you think the question was?
	Yeah.
	Like, who do we think is pretty?
	Like a 10?
	Yeah, so who would you consider the standard of all female beauty to be compared to?
	So this is going to be what you consider like kind of the perfect woman that you would compare yourself to.
	And then the second question was: who do we look like?
	Was that the second question?
	No, no, no.
	My second question was for those of you who are tens, if you're a 10 and this woman who you stated was the kind of epitome of perfect beauty, do you look like them?
	And the answer from both tens was yes.
	And then when we went and looked, they don't look anything like them.
	This is really weird.
	I don't, I like nothing like them.
	Yeah.
	I think I'm a 10 in inner beauty.
	Like I try to be a good person, but does inner beauty count at all or no?
	Because he really doesn't care.
	Okay, so like if you're trying to be a good person, like that doesn't mean anything.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Yeah, well, we're just looking for a physical standard.
	So yes, I'm sure that there's wonderful people who have tons of inner beauty.
	And, you know, there are like multiple burn victims at the ER who are just like the most internally beautiful people on planet Earth.
	But we're just looking for kind of the external physical here.
	Because like, I, so I have girls, and I'm not going to say their name, that like talk to me.
	And I would say these girls are tens, but then they go on like boats and they have guys like, you know, they do things with guys, which is fine.
	And then they get paid like maybe $2,000 or $5,000 and they feel like crap about themselves.
	And then they're telling me how they feel like crap about themselves.
	And I would say like, well, if you want to feel good about yourself, then you shouldn't do that.
	But then those men pay those women to do that stuff.
	So it's like beauty is good and amazing, but like some people, they feel ugly on the inside for what they do because they have beauty, which is like social currency, you know?
	I don't know if anything I'm saying is making any sense, but.
	Well, it makes sense.
	It just doesn't really have anything to do with the question.
	So the question, the question ultimately, right?
	So for instance, what do you guys, why do you guys think we ask the one to ten question?
	Do you think it's like just to be mean or cruel or horrible?
	Why do you think we ask the question?
	Anybody know?
	Probably because I think you want to see how out of touch each person is and if they're just like we see how much we value ourselves.
	Yeah, that's about you.
	So remember when I asked who had dated a narcissist and basically everybody raised their hand?
	Yeah.
	Well, kind of a thing about narcissism is self-aggrandizement, right?
	And isn't it interesting to see how many people have beauty standards, especially women, have a beauty standard where they put themselves in the highest echelons of beauty up there with the most beautiful women who exist on planet earth?
	That would be like an eight, nine, or ten.
	Doesn't that seem slightly narcissistic?
	No, but it's also yeah, just saying that you're you consider yourself beautiful doesn't make you a narcissist.
	It's just your personal opinion because you anyone in this room can be have the total narcissist to say you're beautiful, but perhaps it wouldn't you say it's a narcissistic tendency to say you're among the most beautiful in the world.
	But you asked for who you're you asked for our opinion.
	Yeah, we're all gonna have different opinions.
	Well, if the beauty threshold can only go up to 10, and nothing can be higher than that, but again, that's our opinion.
	Hang on, hang on.
	And nothing can be higher than that.
	Then if you say you're a 10, you put yourself on the threshold with the most beautiful women on earth, right?
	That's not slightly narcissistic.
	But again, I'm not going to argue about the fact that it was my opinion.
	I think what she's saying is like, if everyone answered the way I did, then it would be much different.
	Yeah, like if we all had the same answer.
	It's supposed to be, it's supposed to be your opinion.
	That's the point.
	But the point is, is that when you look at the kind of standard that often women have where they put themselves up in such a high threshold, I am amongst the most beautiful on planet Earth, right?
	But at the same time, they say, well, I've dated a bunch of narcissists.
	It's like, well, I don't know.
	It sounds kind of narcissistic to me.
	If you say so, yeah.
	I guess I'm narcissistic.
	I never said I wasn't a narcissist.
	So are you sometimes maybe?
	Maybe.
	In the situation, in a certain situation.
	Well, okay, so last question.
	Like this, before we turn it over to Brian and the Rose, can you raise your hand if you think you're a narcissist?
	I think I have narcissistic conditions.
	Yes, I told you that they think you are.
	Okay, yeah, that's a good question, too.
	Has anybody ever said you're a narcissist?
	Raise your hand for that.
	Just one?
	Yeah, no.
	I've heard it only once.
	All right.
	Well, let's see here.
	We have some chats coming through.
	Thank you, Dylan.
	Dylan Joe donated $69.
	Ho-ho-ho.
	I hope ST.Nick brings Andrew a new M18 for Christmas and Santa bands labia plasty for Brian.
	Hopefully, Maddie got a new job in Santa's workshop.
	The panel misses you.
	Who at the panel would bang Santa?
	Just show of hands, who would bang Santa Claus?
	He's too old for me.
	Yeah, he does not identify as a cis male.
	He's like transforming.
	Well, wait a second, Santa Claus.
	Hang on.
	If the Twilight vampire guy can be 600 and all the chicks want to bang him, then if Santa Claus is 1,000, you don't have a leg to stand on here, right?
	But I don't want to fight.
	But he looks a thousand.
	Oh, he looks a thousand.
	That's fair.
	Yeah, that does make a difference.
	It does make a difference, I think.
	Yeah.
	You guys all done?
	Nikki, take your time.
	That's fine.
	Thank you, Dylan Joe.
	Would you guys bang Santa Claus though?
	Did the money?
	You know, speaking of which.
	Roth donated $69.
	I'm so glad you said eyebrows.
	Hashtag eyebrows matter and natural.
	Don't pluck or draw eyebrows.
	Thank you, Ray.
	Thank you.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	You had something?
	Well, I was just going to ask very briefly: how come you think that women didn't overwhelmingly come out against Twilight for promoting that a 400-year-old dude was dating a 16-year-old?
	How come it wouldn't that be bad for society to promote that?
	Yeah.
	It's kind of gross.
	Kind of gross.
	Age gap.
	But he is technically 16.
	But he has just been 16 for a long time.
	He's not a man, though.
	A vampire supernatural guess it's a loophole, the laws don't apply for vampires.
	Well, and then I do want to just also point out that the love triangle was between that and the guy who turned into a dog.
	This was overwhelmingly saw by women all over the world, and they just adored it.
	I just want to point that out.
	Lucas donated $100.
	K-Man Hater Harpy and Sage.1.
	Can you woman's plane how you like them?
	Big ol' orange tump nuts juggling in your mouth.
	What?
	Take her back with mine via scrift and slither off into the dustbin of history.
	Damn.
	Whoa, let's go.
	What?
	Damn.
	He copy and pasted that off there.
	All right.
	Lucas, thank you, man.
	That came in, I guess, a little earlier, but we had to wait for it.
	All right, guys.
	Well, TTS is back up to 200.
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	Is that Cup and is that?
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	All right, so going around the table, we're going to start with the would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear in the forest?
	Your answer?
	Bear.
	Bear?
	Okay, what about you?
	I said a man.
	Man?
	Okay.
	I also said a man.
	All right.
	What about you?
	A man.
	A man.
	A bear.
	All right.
	Yeah, a man.
	Okay.
	A bear.
	A bear.
	Wait, so bear?
	Bear.
	Bear?
	Was that it?
	Is that right?
	Okay, everybody else said man.
	So the only exception is if it's Winnie the Pooh.
	I would love to meet Winnie the Pooh.
	Yep.
	So why do you pick Bear and why don't you pick man?
	Go ahead.
	I just feel like I would have like a direct, I don't know, set of tasks to try and do to get away from a bear or beat a bear, but like men are unpredictable, so you never know what you're getting.
	Aren't bears unpredictable too?
	Oh, they definitely are, girl.
	I'm just saying, like, they tell you, like, I don't know, be bigger than the bear or run from the bear, depending on what kind of bear it is.
	It's a silly question, so you're going to get a silly answer.
	I don't think it's silly, but and you don't pick the man.
	Is there any further reasoning?
	Purely because they're unpredictable, and I don't know what I'm gonna get.
	I don't know how big the man is.
	I don't know if I can beat this man.
	I'm in a wheelchair.
	I don't think the bear is gonna pick me, quite frankly.
	Okay.
	But the bear couldn't push you through the woods either.
	No, but I could push me.
	No man is pushing you.
	Through the woods?
	I mean, I can get up.
	Technically, I can walk, so I'm just gonna get out of the chair.
	Why do you pick bear and why don't you pick man?
	I think with men, there's a chance of more sexual trauma, and I'd rather a bear eat me and kill me than experience more sexual trauma.
	Sure.
	All right.
	And then what about you?
	Oh, I said man, unless it's Winnie the Pooh.
	Oh, I'm not sure.
	I'll make somebody else say you said bear young man.
	Yeah.
	I would say, honestly, I wouldn't like either.
	You got to pick one, so you picked the bear.
	Why do you pick the bear?
	Why don't you pick the man?
	Because, I mean, obviously, men can have, they could, like she said, the sexual thing, or also like they can have a gun.
	They could actually do something like, I don't know, they could have a knife.
	Like the bear is like, you're going to maul me or not.
	I don't think a bear is going to lock me in its basement either.
	So just saying.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so then, and is that a concern for you too?
	The potential risk of like SA with the men.
	Okay.
	So I guess for those of you who said the bear and said that, what do you think, like you've done a risk assessment.
	What percentage of men do you think would be inclined to essay you?
	Well, that's, I feel like 100% of bears are going to kill me and not 100% of men randomly wandering in the woods are going to want to kill me.
	I'm sure there is a percentage of them that would be, but I feel like a bear is much more dangerous in like a weighing the pros and cons way.
	Oh.
	I meant just collect the stuff.
	But.
	Are you done with this?
	Oh, no.
	Oh, I thought it was done, maybe.
	Maybe the napkin, napkin over here.
	Okay, so I'll repeat the question.
	Thank you.
	Those of you who said the bear and you cited to SA, what percentage of men do you think would be inclined to SA you?
	I genuinely have zero clue about a percentage.
	I think it doesn't need to be exact, but.
	I genuinely don't have an answer for you.
	I don't think that it's like a majority.
	I don't think that it's like, I don't know.
	I genuinely have no idea.
	Maybe like five to ten percent.
	Five to ten percent.
	Okay, what about you?
	I was gonna say like 50, 60 percent.
	50, 60 percent.
	There's no other reason a man is in the woods in my head.
	Like except for your scenario.
	Like in my scenario, yeah.
	Unless he's hunting.
	I would just like to assure you that almost every man who's ever been in the woods has almost always been in the woods for reasons other than the one that you think that they're in the woods for.
	Exactly.
	They like to be in the middle of the day.
	In fact, I'm going to say right now on record that I would be willing to put the number at essentially 100% of men who end up in the woods are there for purposes other than that purpose.
	Do you want to respond to that?
	I think it's about 100%.
	Maybe like 99.
	Oh, she's the one who gave the money.
	No, I don't think 1%.
	No way.
	Not 1%.
	Do not go in the woods with the hope of essaying a woman.
	That's just a matter of time.
	I mean, not necessarily that.
	No, no, no, no, yeah, yeah.
	No one would have the capacity to.
	Maybe with the hope of liking.
	I think that's a good idea.
	Wait, stop, I have a really good question.
	You guys are saying, well, what are they doing in the woods?
	How about this?
	Camping.
	You guys ever go to nightclubs?
	You guys ever go to bars?
	Do you think the proportion of men who go to these environments with the intention of actually like, I'm going to drug some girls drink or like do something untoward, you think that's higher at a nightclub or in the woods?
	Nightclub.
	Nightclub, for sure.
	Like of the men that go to the woods versus of the men that go to nightclubs, bars, and parties, etc.
	So why do you guys go to bars, nightclubs, and parties?
	That's a really good point.
	Yeah.
	Fair point.
	But also like no one goes hoping that they get sexually assaulted anywhere.
	Well, like should we just be able to go to the next one?
	I'm looking at it.
	You guys are, I'm not looking at it from the female perspective.
	I'm looking at it.
	You guys are saying these men have some intention.
	Why are they in the woods?
	They're going there for some reason.
	I mean, I go to the woods and I go to the clubs, so.
	Yeah, that's kind of evading my question a little bit, but.
	No, I'm just saying, you were saying, like, why would you go there?
	Was it versus the idea?
	Well, if the idea is that you would risk a bear.
	There's predators everywhere.
	Spawning into the woods with a bear over spawning into the woods with a man because you're afraid that a man will SA you.
	If you think that your chances of running into men in the woods and being SA'd are significantly lower than going to a nightclub and being SA'd, then why wouldn't you, why wouldn't you not go to the nightclub?
	It just seems like a basic risk assessment analogy that's kind of silly.
	I think the question was also phrased on it.
	Wasn't it more men who go to clubs have the intention of not they're going to sexually assault you in the club?
	Yeah, I would say if you span or if you spawn into the woods with a random man, very few, if any, would I mean, obviously there would be some, I guess, but almost none would spawn in with the intention of doing anything to you, right?
	I'm assuming that I would be alone in the woods, so I would feel safer in a club where there's hopefully at least a few good people that would protect me, including like security, whereas in the woods, there's no one to protect me.
	But wouldn't that be a bad risk assessment if you say if you ran into a random man in the woods, your chances of getting SA there are probably less likely than getting SA'd in a nightclub?
	That still would be a bad risk assessment, right?
	No, because are you assuming the man is more likely in the club?
	Yeah, even a random man in the woods.
	Yeah, no, that's where I draw the line.
	Because I need a witness.
	I think because I don't drink, I feel safer going out.
	Huh.
	Okay.
	I guess follow-up question then.
	Does it change anything?
	Those of you who picked bear, does it change anything if it's 10 bears or 10 men?
	They both sell.
	And they're all together.
	It's a group.
	So there's 10 men altogether.
	Like random men.
	They just spawn into the force randomly.
	Or 10 bears altogether.
	I don't even like being in elevators with three men or two men.
	So do you still pick bear?
	Yeah, I think so.
	Still pick bear?
	I think so.
	Still pick bear?
	I'll just hide.
	No, I think I'd choose men because I would hope there's at least one out of the ten that wouldn't let it happen.
	Wait, but you earlier said that like you're you said the percentage in terms of the risk assessment.
	You said it was like five to ten percent.
	I think you those were the percent.
	So like wouldn't it be nine out of the ten men?
	What?
	Are the good ones?
	You said when I asked you like what's the risk assessment when it comes to SA, how many percent of the men would do this?
	Yeah, so wouldn't like, wouldn't the clear option then be to pick the ten men because like nine of those ten men would like and she said men.
	Yeah, she did.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Wait, what do we okay?
	Maybe I misunderstood then.
	Change anything for you?
	Same situation, just because of odds.
	I think it comes down to like the aloneness more than the woods.
	Okay, so you pick the 10 men.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And then quick question coming back to you.
	You said like 50 to 60% of like men would be inclined to do this.
	Do you think like do you have any brothers?
	I have two younger brothers.
	I have two younger brothers.
	Two younger brothers and do you have a father?
	No.
	I have two moms.
	They're lesbian.
	I'm adopted.
	Okay.
	Do you have like male relatives, cousins, uncles, this sort of thing?
	I have an uncle and a grandpa, but they don't really have influence over me.
	Sure.
	Do you think like 50% of the men in your family would do this?
	Oh, no.
	If you put it that way, then no.
	Mine wouldn't?
	No.
	Yours would?
	And I'm not going to name drop, but mine have.
	So if you're going to go with those odds, then yes.
	Okay.
	And that's just the ones that you know about.
	All right.
	So you're saying like 50% of okay, I think 50 was a little exaggerated.
	I just know 50 was pushing it.
	No, 50 was pushing it, but a large amount of 20?
	The names that, huh?
	Well, actually, we can divide this percentage very quickly.
	Just take the amount of male family members that you have with the amount of essay that you know about, and then what's the percentage come out to roughly?
	I'm not going to think about that.
	I won't just look it up on Google.
	I don't understand.
	About personal family sexual assault, I would like to no longer think about.
	Thank you.
	I don't know what that has to do with the question.
	It has to do with me being uncomfortable thinking about the sexual assault in my family.
	So I'm just being evasive.
	If it's too uncomfortable for you, then it's too uncomfortable for you, I guess.
	Thank you for that.
	Being sexually assaulted as a child repeatedly is too uncomfortable for me.
	So I'm tabling this.
	Yeah, yeah, I know.
	So here's what's happening, right?
	So I ask a benign question just based on logic.
	And so instead, you want a victim shame.
	Like, you want to be like, well, he's a victim of this horrible thing that happened, and you're giving me unnecessary trauma, blah, blah, blah.
	The intent of the question was not to bring up childhood trauma that I would have no way of knowing ever.
	I know.
	But that's fine.
	But the respect would just be to end it when I asked you to end it.
	Yeah, I did end it.
	I said, that's fine.
	And you were like, no, I just gave it to $100.
	From a man's point of view, if a man was spawned in the woods and saw a random woman, the only thing on a man's mind is, oh my God, dead weight.
	Men go to the woods to escape women nagging.
	Oh my God.
	Literally.
	Literally.
	Yo, by the way, the TTS, it is still 200.
	It slipped through, though.
	It's TTS.
	Who cares?
	Do appreciate the message, though.
	Thank you very much.
	Okay, and let's see.
	We have how tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you would date?
	Well, are you asking me?
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah, you just wrote you would not date a cis man.
	What about you?
	Either the same height or taller.
	So how tall are you?
	I'm 5'1.
	Okay.
	So he's got to be at least 5'1.
	Okay, what about you?
	I really don't have a big gauge on height because I'm always like way shorter than everyone.
	So I feel like it doesn't really matter as much to me.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Well, I'm 5'3", and I don't think I'd want to date someone that's 5'3", but he doesn't have to be 6 foot.
	He just has to be taller than me so that I can...
	5'4"?
	Okay, yeah.
	All right.
	What about you?
	It doesn't really matter, but I prefer shorter guys, preferably my height.
	You prefer shorter guys?
	Yeah.
	That's a first.
	Okay.
	I like the comfortability.
	Yeah.
	But yes, definitely, I would say the tallest I'd probably go is probably five, like five, nine.
	The tallest you would go.
	Yeah, like six foot, if anything, but I probably wouldn't go for a guy over six foot.
	What about you?
	I'm 5'2, and the shortest guy I would go for is like 5'10.
	I'm 5'9, so I would go with the same height as me, which that's my preference, actually.
	I would rather be with a guy who's same height as me versus a guy who's like 6'5, like way taller.
	What about you?
	I'm 5'2, and the shortest I would go.
	Okay, so I had an ex-fiancé that was 5'4 ⁇ .
	We'll never do that again.
	5'10 is now the minimum, and I prefer like over 6 feet, like 6'5 ⁇ .
	6'5.
	My ex was 6'5.
	Wait, so I think you did right.
	You're 5'2.
	The minimum is 5'10, but you prefer 6'5.
	So, like, less than 1% of men.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future partner?
	I don't care.
	Don't care at all?
	Okay.
	Do you want kids or anything like that?
	No?
	Okay.
	No, I've been homeless, so like I just have.
	You've been homeless?
	Did you date while you're homeless?
	I was in the same relationship I'm in now.
	Rock and roll.
	Okay, cool.
	All right.
	What about you?
	What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband or partner?
	I mean, at least the same as what I make, if not more.
	Because I just don't want to be the one making a lot of money.
	You wrote $100K here?
	I did, but you know what?
	You know what?
	I'm fine if it's at least the same amount as me.
	You know what I mean?
	It just changes, you know, because I don't have a set rate because it changes, but at least the same amount that I make.
	How much do you make around the Super Bowl?
	It just depends.
	Like, I could make like $4K in a month or more.
	It really is just depending on the guys.
	But $100K, it sounds like.
	What about you?
	Yeah, I said $100K.
	Okay.
	I just, I want to be a lawyer.
	That's the goal.
	And I want to be comfortable.
	I like things like wheelchairs and stuff are expensive.
	And I want to not have to rely on medical insurance and things like that.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I thought I'd be okay with someone making as much as I make, which is low.
	But honestly, I've been around people that make a million dollars and I've like shaken the hands of an autistic billionaire.
	So honestly, I think I want a millionaire because there's a lot of people that are millionaires.
	What?
	I know, dude, I know so many people that are millionaires.
	They make like a million dollars a year.
	What percentage of people do you think make a million dollars a year?
	I know six dudes in Long Island that make.
	Yeah, but what percentage of people?
	Well, definitely like less than one percentage.
	Wait, how many millionaires have you met?
	I've met now probably like 12.
	And like how many of them date you?
	One wants to date me, but I don't like him.
	I don't know.
	I don't know what I'm going to do.
	Honestly.
	So there's only, as far as I can see, the one thing about billionaires is because they're so rare, they're highly tracked, especially by Forbes.
	I can only find actually five of them who even have autism.
	Yeah, I shook the hands of one of them.
	And I don't, I'm not saying I was like.
	What was his name?
	I'm not going to say his name.
	I'm not saying I like the dude.
	I think he's a dad.
	You shook his hand.
	You didn't sleep with a guy.
	Why can't you say his name?
	I shook Elon Musk's hand, but like I noticed that of his politics, not so much.
	You don't like his politics?
	Not so much.
	Oh, okay.
	So wait, you want to date a millionaire autistic liberal that is black and not autistic.
	Oh, you're fucking autistic.
	I'm sorry, you're fucked.
	I know.
	No, like you're very few.
	This is realistic.
	There's very few of those.
	No, anything is possible.
	He's out there.
	He's out there.
	I've only met.
	Let her have her drink.
	Just let her have her card like that.
	Anything is thingy, but you guys got to understand.
	Hopefully he is out there.
	Do you guys know what possible?
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	Do you guys know what pot?
	You use the word like, oh, it's possible.
	So I should not settle because I'm aiming for something that's possible.
	Yes, I want my Steve Urkel, like, autistic black millionaire.
	No, but I'm talking to you right now.
	Me?
	Yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	You guys not like paying attention here?
	Hello?
	I'm talking to you.
	You just said it's possible that she could find this guy.
	Absolutely it is.
	Should I not get a job and just it's possible for me to win the lottery so that I it's possible so I shouldn't settle for a job is are you equating a job to a person that you're gonna spend the rest of your life with?
	Yes, oh yeah, no, I can't do that.
	Yeah, no, it's nothing no how about we how about we actually analyze this?
	So I would argue that the chances of winning the lot like a lottery that awards more than a million dollars the chance of somebody winning that is higher than I'm not saying this to be mean is higher than her landing a black.
	Did you say millionaire?
	Or billionaire million black millionaire, autistic?
	And you yeah, I was just sorry, you were kind of like because I'm chilling with dudes right like, right now that that they pay girls like a thousand dollars just to have sex, and I'm like what the hell?
	Like I want a, a black version of that guy that doesn't pay goals.
	Yes yeah, it's just.
	Would you be like you guys got to get out of possibility and you got to start looking at what's going on?
	If I could be friends with them, why can't I find one person that is also black?
	That is also like you know what I mean?
	That's not possible.
	But the number of people I never thought I'd be able to chill with these people and I'm sure out there range in the you know the hundreds.
	I think the hundreds there's like a very slim.
	I'm very passionate about this because wait, hold on you.
	You said you were a female incel, but you're holding out for a black millionaire that has.
	She can't call herself.
	Yes, all right yeah yeah bro oh, I'm.
	Imagine an incel was like, oh, I'm involuntarily celibate, but like I'm held out for 31 years.
	And I imagine an incel saying, I'm whole, I'm an incel, I'm involuntarily celibate, there's all these women who want to fuck me, but I'm waiting for a 10 out of 10 virgin Victoria Secret model.
	What, bro?
	You ain't an incel you, you're not an incel.
	Well, he doesn't have to be attractive, he just has to like, have those qualifications.
	I've been waiting this long.
	The only the only dude that I found that's kind of like, that is like in his 40s and I don't want to be with a guy that's almost 50 and he's the only one that's showing me any interest.
	So I don't like.
	And he, you're not a not.
	Well, I mean, you already agreed that you're not sorry, you are.
	You already agreed that you're passionate about this.
	You already agreed that you're not a female involuntarily, involuntary celibate anymore.
	But, given has, was this your standard?
	When you were a female involuntarily celibate, I thought I would meet my Steve Virkle in my 20s, even when hold on, even before you went on all those shows and got all that male attention and you thought you were a female incel.
	You weren't even then, and I thought one of them would have messaged me.
	I thought, are you trying?
	Are you troll?
	Are you trying?
	No, i'm not.
	No, i'm not.
	I've been saying this for years like, i've been saying like, this is what I want.
	I want like a dude that like, is like cool and has autism and has a good job.
	I actually know one.
	Uh, you can find him on YouTube.
	His name is Lyndon Powell, and he is supposedly at least a millionaire with autism.
	Is he black?
	Actually, no one.
	Yeah, he's black for sure.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There you go.
	I'll Google.
	Make the connect, I guess.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm just passionate about this.
	Anyways, going around the table, we were talking about a minimum yearly income.
	I think we were.
	Yeah, me.
	I said $150,000.
	$1,000?
	Like, like $150,000.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	$150,000?
	All right.
	What about you?
	$60K.
	$60K?
	Unless I am a full provider?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Like, if I'm really balling and there's no need for them to work, then sure.
	But I'd prefer that not to be the case.
	Fair enough.
	What about you?
	Oh, I put at least the same as what I make.
	How much you make?
	I make with Instacart about $60K a year.
	Okay.
	But a big thing I look for, though, is I, because I don't date older men usually.
	I typically date my age or younger.
	So I care that he works hard, he's ambitious, like has his life together.
	Like I care more about like him having those personality traits than him being a millionaire.
	Like if he's a millionaire, but it's all like daddy's money and he doesn't want to work.
	Like I don't want, I don't want that.
	Okay.
	And what about you?
	I said six figures just because that's what I'm used to being taken care of.
	Like, yeah, I just like to be comfortable.
	I've tried lower and it really, like, it just messed with me.
	I was like, okay, if I can, I was making more than him at the time, so I couldn't, like, I couldn't do that.
	All right.
	There it is.
	Greta Thanos.
	And thank you so much for the $100 soup chat.
	I was about to say W's in the chat for Greta, but then I read it.
	Andrew Wilson is a saint.
	He's hated like other saints.
	benches he's oh my Could you, Greta?
	Fucking spell check this shit, bro.
	Benches, he's a speaks the truth.
	One day he will perform a miracle and turn you all celibate and put sour cream on burrito Brian.
	Okay.
	Elle in the chat for Greta.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for the super chat though.
	Really appreciate it.
	That's very kind of you.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	All right.
	And then have you ever had a sugar daddy or sold feed pics?
	I'm just going to skip ahead to the people who wrote yes, Nikki.
	You have had a sugar daddy.
	How many sugar daddies?
	Just one.
	And then you said you sold pics.
	Yeah.
	OnlyFans.
	Yes.
	No.
	No.
	Yes.
	You sold pics.
	What did you sell?
	I sold feet pictures.
	What?
	Just like one time.
	One time?
	To one person.
	Like, because I just moved to California and I was during COVID and I literally tried looking for a job and my roommate, she sold feet pictures and she put me on.
	So that's also how I was making my money when I first moved here.
	But I stopped doing it as soon as I started working.
	All right.
	So you only did it one time?
	Yeah.
	To the same guy multiple times?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	How much per pick or it depends if it's a video or if it's just your video.
	Break it down.
	So a video, I would do it on the scale of like if I'm putting my feet in water or stuff like that.
	And stuff like that is like I would cost you more, like $50 per video.
	But then pictures are $5 each.
	And sometimes I do bundles and stuff like that.
	So I can get 10 pictures for this amount.
	But there was only one guy you ever sent to.
	Yeah, because it was one of my roommates, my old, old roommate.
	The first time you sent, how much did you make?
	Yeah.
	Like the very first time?
	From that guy, since I did videos with my roommate, he just moved on to me.
	Like he was just like, yo, make a Snapchat type shit.
	Right?
	And then I would say that first time I've made, I would probably say I was like new to it.
	I didn't know what I was doing.
	I would say I was making, I would like 50 bucks my first time.
	Okay, how much did you make total?
	Like I was doing it for about until I dated my ex, so I would say about four grand.
	That's a lot, feet picks.
	Yeah, and videos and stuff.
	How long were you doing this for?
	Oh, mostly like a whole year.
	Damn, this guy was thirsty for fucking feet pics.
	Okay.
	That's cool, I guess.
	But my rent was like freaking like $2,000, so I need to think about how much I was actually making in a year.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Sugar Daddy.
	No, but you've had a pay pig.
	Yeah.
	Pay pigs are fixed.
	And then you also sold pics, but you did.
	Did OF still do OF?
	No, I did OF for like two months, two years ago.
	And did you sell feet pics?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	How much would you charge?
	I don't remember.
	I know that my monthly subscription for OnlyFans was $20 and then like a picture of it would only be pictures of me and lingerie on there.
	And then they would have to unlock for hire.
	So it'd usually be like $100 for a tit pic.
	All right.
	Oh, we have a couple chats here coming in.
	Libertariat donated $200.
	Lyndon Powell just messaged me and would like to tell Chair 4 something explicit.
	He wants to tell you about his mansions.
	He has mansions.
	Oh, Libertari.
	Thank you for the TTS.
	W's in the chat for Libertariat.
	Thank you, man.
	And then coming after Libertariat, we have Big Sass Energy.
	But Libertariat, thank you so much.
	Who knows?
	Hey, this could be.
	This could be the start.
	Thank you.
	Big Sass Energy donated $200.
	Hide it in sources.
	Hide it in sources.
	None of these may be 100 men that fit your criteria.
	Sorry, guys.
	We'll date you.
	The probability is zero.
	Can you fix that?
	Just minimize it.
	Yeah, minimize it.
	Wait, what happened?
	Are we?
	Huh?
	You hit back?
	Yeah.
	Sorry, guys.
	Hold on.
	Refresh the page.
	Hit enter studio.
	Sorry, guys.
	Mute.
	Mute.
	Stop cam.
	Hit enter studio.
	Okay.
	There.
	Can you pull us back up?
	All right.
	Sorry about that, guys.
	Okay.
	And Greta Thanos, I just kid around, love the podcast and all of you.
	I appreciate this channel.
	Whenever I type, it's out of love.
	Can you pull up?
	You got the show StreamYard again.
	I just kid around, love the podcast, and all of you.
	I appreciate this channel.
	Whenever I type, it's out of love, all of you.
	It's all for fun.
	Greta, thank you so much for the soup chat, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	I don't know if that's a man or a woman, but W's in the chat.
	I guess for Greta, she, her, he, him, I don't know.
	Thank you so much.
	Really appreciate the soup chat.
	And then I'm going to play this one again because it kind of came through while there was a little hit.
	Big Sass Energy donated $200.
	Hard truth.
	None of these maybe 100 men that fit your criteria will date you.
	The probability is zero.
	Is that for me?
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's for sure.
	Saying out of the very few highly successful millionaire black men with autism that there are, the chances of you actually connecting with one for a romantic relationship, the probability seems to be a lot of fun.
	So I have to think racially to have a husband or a boyfriend?
	No, that's not what they're saying.
	No, that would be the opposite, right?
	So Of course, if you shifted your criteria from must-be black millionaire and autistic, your chances would significantly increase of having a husband.
	But all that's left to you, unfortunately, right now is one lone masked millionaire named Lyndon Powell.
	That's about, I think that's about your only option.
	I don't know how to respond.
	I don't know how to respond to that.
	We can go on to the next person.
	They're just being a troll.
	Like, don't take it personally.
	Well, I mean, that's not really trolling.
	I don't think that's actually a really good point.
	If you take the amount of black millionaires with autism and you realize how few of them there are, and how many options are available to them, various women, the chances of you being one that marries one of those men is extraordinarily low.
	The threshold being so low that it could potentially be about 0%.
	Like, that's how low it is.
	So, so should I just like accept the fact that I'll probably die alone?
	Is that what you're saying?
	Is this like a bad thing?
	Or you could just, you know, move some standards around so they're more reasonable.
	I have a question on this, actually.
	Unless, Andrew, did you have a bit more, but it's related to this?
	No, no, go ahead, Brian.
	Sure.
	Yeah, so my question is on this.
	So, hold on, guys.
	I'm going to get this pulled up here.
	So, if you got 80% of everything you want in your ideal partner, would you be happy with that?
	Yeah.
	So, they're missing 20% of what you want.
	I mean, that's like, I know this is hard to believe, but like, I have everything I want.
	So, like, probably not.
	Oh, so you want nothing in a partner?
	I mean, I'm just.
	Ouch.
	Thank you for my fiancé that I have already.
	Do you get what I'm saying?
	Like, I have everything I want in my partner.
	Like, I got, I won my own lottery.
	Yeah, so I'll just repeat the question.
	So, no.
	I would not date them.
	Okay, understood.
	I would date them because they don't have to have 100% of the qualities because, you know, you accept them for who they are.
	Yeah, I would.
	I feel like dating is really give and take.
	So 80%, I feel like that's kind of high.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I would.
	80% is high.
	Okay.
	Yeah, same.
	No, I think what's on my list is pretty bare minimum things.
	All right.
	Like, I would not.
	Like, I would rather be single than be with someone who isn't going to really add to my life.
	I forgot the question.
	Yeah, it's just, if you got 80% of everything you want in your ideal partner, would you be happy with that?
	No, I'm too picky.
	Okay.
	And that, I mean, you said that they wouldn't, couldn't somebody who only brings 80%, they could still bring to your life.
	Like, it would still be pretty good, but I feel like there might be that just kind of little voice in the back of my head being like, there's something still kind of missing.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And then going, hold on, there's a chat here from Greta.
	Yo, Greta, on a serious note, Andrew really helped me and helped me search for faith.
	I haven't found it yet, but he has helped me try and find my voice.
	I was, excuse me, I was born an atheist, never raised with faith.
	I'm a dude.
	Yo, Greta.
	Thank you for the very generous super chat.
	W's in the chat for Greta Thanos.
	Really appreciate it.
	Andrew, you want to do a quick little response to Greta?
	You'll find it.
	All right, cool.
	Going around the table, we were going around on, or we were talking about the feet pics thing or whatever.
	Oh, no, I recall.
	It was.
	We were on the 80%.
	The idea of 80% settling.
	Oh, what are those 100% of the qualities that you would want then?
	Me?
	No, to those who said 80% would be settling.
	Oh, I said it would be settling.
	Yeah, what would 100% be?
	Just checking all the boxes that I need.
	I don't know.
	Which are?
	Okay, I haven't thought about this deeply.
	How do you know you wouldn't settle for somebody at 80%?
	I would say it's only because I only noticed when I start getting pet peeves.
	Like, I only notice when I don't like someone when I start dating them, and I'm like, okay, you're not the one.
	Like, you're not.
	Like, I can just tell.
	Like, I don't know how to explain it.
	Everyone, like, you don't go into it with the criteria.
	Yeah, I don't go into it with a cry crisis.
	I don't know.
	I don't go into it with a criteria.
	Like, thinking they're going to be something that's going to be a good idea.
	You don't check the boxes, right?
	I don't go into it thinking they're going to be like, I mean, I don't know.
	Come back to me on that.
	I don't know.
	I said no because my things are like, I want them to be spiritual, like, at least believe in something.
	I guess looks is like the one thing that I would like compromise on is if they didn't look exactly how I wanted them to.
	But besides that, it's just like treating me well, emotional intelligence, able to like communicate.
	So if they were just kind of spiritual, but not very spiritual, and they had some emotional intelligence, but maybe not a lot of emotional intelligence.
	Let's just say that that's 20%.
	That would be a deal breaker.
	No, I think it depends on like how emotionally intelligent, though.
	Okay.
	I think we're going around on the have you ever had a sugar daddy thing?
	You've had a pay pig.
	And then you sold the pics, but when it came to the pay pig, you've had how many pay pigs?
	Just one?
	A couple.
	Two.
	Two.
	All right.
	What was like, I guess, the nature of the exchange?
	They just gave you money and that was it?
	They would want me to either like text how disgusting and small there was or like send a voice note saying the same thing for more money.
	Okay.
	But reenact pictures.
	Reenact it right now.
	No, thank you.
	Pay me.
	Okay.
	And so you had these pay pigs.
	One of them, the first one, I guess, how much total did he pay you?
	It would be $100 every time that I would tell him how gross and small it was.
	Same with the other guy?
	$100.
	Okay.
	And then how much total did you make from each?
	Oh, I don't know.
	More than $1,000?
	No, I would say like $1,000.
	I made more on OnlyFans.
	Okay.
	Jay, you said that you did have a sugar daddy.
	He let you live with him for free.
	Yeah, it was.
	Yeah, it was one of my old roommates from like six years ago.
	I hadn't been living in LA very long.
	I moved there in 2017 from Minnesota.
	I'd probably been living there about a year at the time.
	And yeah, I had this old roommate that my friend sent me up with where he let me basically live with him for free, like be his roommate for free.
	And then I would have sex with him once a week.
	Was there a contract drafted up?
	Did you guys have lawyers or what was that?
	No, it was just kind of for however long I wanted to live there.
	How long was this arrangement taking place?
	It was like a few months.
	A few months?
	And then after that, I just moved somewhere else and got a regular normal roommate and started paying rent again.
	If he had not let you live there for free, would you have had sex with him?
	No.
	So you were a prostitute?
	Yeah, I guess.
	That's okay, though.
	Is it?
	Okay.
	Is it chat?
	What does the table think?
	How old are you?
	I was 26.
	But it also depends on circumstances, someone's circumstances where it kind of brings them into having to do things like that simply because their situation is difficult.
	Yeah, and I wasn't a bad.
	I was broke at the time.
	But I'm not saying, would I do it?
	No.
	But I'm just saying that I won't judge somebody that has done it because I don't know what their situation was for them to get into that situation.
	You know what I mean?
	I was broke at the time and I was trying to save money, so that's what it was.
	And now I'm not broke anymore, so I would never do that now because I don't need to.
	Personally, I'd rather be homeless.
	I've lived in a car before and I'd rather do that again.
	Honestly, say I've lived in a car before and I wouldn't do it again.
	So I'm very happy to be dancing.
	It's been such a blessing for me and I would never have to do that.
	But would you guys do the whole like live with a guy, fuck him once a week and you get to live rent-free?
	No, I like paying my rent on my own and I like not relying on anyone.
	No, okay, I get it.
	You guys just fuck once a month.
	No, like I misread that.
	Okay, going to you, you said you've had a sugar daddy and you've sold pics a couple times?
	A few times, yeah.
	I know I did OnlyFans for like a month.
	And then the sugar daddy, like how much money did he give you?
	It varies.
	I had three different ones.
	How about each one?
	And then total, total?
	Oh.
	Okay, so I had one that I would see for dinners and he was from Europe.
	So I would only see him so often.
	So it would be between $2,000 to $5,000 every time I saw him.
	And then the other one, I actually had a similar situation like that one when I was 19.
	I had terrible roommates and it's just shit went south.
	So that's why I ended up getting in that situation for a little bit.
	And so, but he would take me to like all these parties.
	I was so young and I was like, it wasn't, he would take me shopping and stuff like that.
	It wasn't like physical.
	Like he was giving me money all the time.
	And then.
	You said one guy per hangout, he was giving you two to five K. How much total did he give you?
	I don't remember because he was really a golden calf.
	He would only come in a few times a year and it was like own roughly like four times, five times total or four years.
	Yeah, total.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	We're going to get into the some of the more juicy stuff on the questionnaire now.
	Starting from the top, I guess.
	Let me just see who responded in the disagreement here.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Allie, you disagree that transgender individuals have a duty to disclose to romantic partners.
	Do I think you should?
	Yeah, but like duty was a strong word, so I just said.
	Yeah.
	That's your choice, but I don't think it's going to get you in a good situation in a relationship.
	Okay.
	But you think they should disclose?
	Yeah, but it's not my.
	Like I've never lived that life.
	So like you do you.
	All right.
	Well, I don't know if I really want to dive too deep on that insofar as you're kind of, it seems like you know it's wrong, but I suppose we could have a we could have a debate on like, should it be a duty?
	But I don't know.
	Andrew, anything quick on this?
	Not straight for a man to date a trans woman.
	To which you disagree.
	To which you disagree.
	That it's not.
	It is not straight for a man to date a trans woman.
	So I guess cis man for you, I guess.
	Oh, thank you.
	Yeah.
	Clarification.
	So not straight for a cis man to date a trans woman.
	How about that?
	You disagree?
	I do.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you think it would be straight then?
	Yes.
	And then, Jay, you also disagreed, correct?
	Oh, that it would be?
	I think, yeah, yeah, it would be straight for a straight for a cis man to date a trans woman.
	Okay.
	Because they're a woman regardless.
	Okay.
	So my position would be that this would be two males having sex, regardless of your gender identity, that would be a homosexual act.
	That would be gay.
	It would not be straight.
	And as somebody who is straight, I think that is to some degree offensive to my sexuality.
	Do we no longer have to discuss that?
	Oh, I'm happy to discuss things that I find offensive.
	Oh, earlier you said.
	Anyways, I was going to say hypothetical.
	Anyways, sorry.
	So I guess my question to you guys is: you both say that it would be straight.
	So I suppose first we need to define what is a woman.
	So what is a woman?
	Going around the table?
	Gender identity or sexual identity.
	Like, are you talking about what someone's born as, their sex, or their gender?
	Because that's two different things.
	How about I'll walk back and we'll come right back to that in just a sec.
	Is a transgender woman female?
	I think if you're looking at definitions, no, but like, don't quote me.
	I think that's like a sex term?
	Yeah, sex.
	Yeah.
	Male, female, sex.
	Man, woman, gender.
	Well, I'm going to grant that for the sake of the conversation.
	But so transgender woman is female?
	Transgender woman.
	Is male or female?
	Again, I don't know if we're talking about identity or parts.
	No, sex.
	When I say male, female, I'm talking about sex.
	I think in like a medical way, male.
	When you go to the doctor and you're looking for medical, maybe we can just clarify the terms real quick.
	And you can correct me if I'm wrong.
	When we associate gender, we're talking about gender.
	We're talking about a self-set identity which revolves around specifically the idea of describing a phenomenon of males or females who don't associate with the sex they were assigned to at birth.
	Correct.
	Would that be correct for gender?
	Okay.
	Again, that's what I think it is going off of, because again, I'm sorry, backwards brain.
	But I mean, you would agree largely to those terms.
	Yes.
	That that's basically what we're talking about.
	And then when we're talking about sex, we're talking about the biological association of being able to produce large or small gametes, XX or XY chromosomes, etc.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So then now you know you're not speaking past each other.
	Yeah.
	And then going to you, so a transgender woman is male or female?
	Oh, they're a woman, yeah.
	But so I'm so transgender woman, I'll go ahead, just for the sake of the conversation, I'll go ahead and grant that a transgender woman is a woman, but is a transgender woman a female?
	Biologically, is what you're asking, right?
	Well, I'm asking her.
	Biologically, no, but identity, yes.
	Well, here's the thing, though.
	I'm going to have to disagree with you there.
	While I'm going to go ahead and grant that a transgender woman can identify as a woman, a transgender woman cannot identify as female.
	Sex.
	I'm talking about sex.
	Great.
	Right.
	So I guess the question again: is a transgender woman a female or a male?
	Biologically, they would be male.
	Okay.
	So when we're talking about sexuality, sexual preference has always been intended as referring to what sex you prefer.
	And so when we say heterosexual or homosexual, when we say homosexual, we mean a same-sex relationship.
	You would agree then that a trans, somebody who's transgender has not changed their sex to you and to.
	I get what you're going at, but I didn't know that fact.
	Okay.
	But so, I mean, if homosexual means same-sex relationship, perhaps you can argue they've changed their gender, but you would never argue that they've changed their sex.
	So if that's the case, then a cis man and a transgender woman would be in a homosexual relationship.
	Would you guys agree with that?
	Like based off, if you're giving me factual-based information, you're giving me the definitions and you've proved me wrong, then sure.
	Okay.
	And then for you, any thoughts on this?
	I'd say yeah, because it's a sex is sex is your biology and then gender is your identity.
	Okay.
	I just genuinely didn't know that.
	So like that's true.
	But so straight is a short form slang for heterosexual.
	So you both disagreed that it would not be straight for a man to date a trans woman.
	Would you then agree that it's not straight?
	Short form, but like by definition, isn't that the version that talks about identity?
	Not sex?
	Well, straight is short.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I know you're saying short form.
	I just am telling you like my understanding was that straight was referring to what you identify as.
	I thought this was your sex.
	Yeah.
	I was thinking the same thing, identity, not sex.
	Okay, that's fair.
	Would it be heterosexual?
	I guess not based off definition, no.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	And if we, if we say straight, we mean heterosexual.
	That's what we're referring to.
	Then I guess not.
	But like, again, when it comes down to like what I thought the definition was, I'm just telling you that's why I answered that way.
	Sure, sure.
	I understand.
	I have like a little question.
	I don't really, I mean, when it comes to like trans and stuff.
	So I have a couple extra things to say.
	So with the whole cis thing, I totally understand on that.
	I like being like a little bit offended by it.
	Honestly, when I was 18, I was in a homeless shelter and it was LGBTQ.
	And like I had a lot of interesting experiences, you know?
	And I just think that it, especially when it comes to, it's not every trans woman, but I think I've personally like experienced so many discussions that were like diminishing being a woman.
	And it makes you feel like taking away the it takes away like from I don't know it takes away from women.
	I mean I don't see people who I don't see really so much the people who transition to male like really like really interfere in that area.
	But I feel like it gets kind of uncomfortable when they like keep telling you like no, like they like undermine like what it is to be a woman.
	Like I don't know how to explain it, but I just don't understand that because I don't think we changed it.
	Maybe I can help give some words to this because I've listened to this phenomenon for a couple of years.
	You can tell me if I'm wrong.
	But if you were to try to describe a sunrise to a blind man, it would be essentially impossible, right?
	What it actually looks like in the encapsulations because anytime you try to capture the essence of a thing, you always fall short, right?
	You can really only understand the perception of a thing, but capturing the essence of it is next to impossible.
	So, when you're talking about the essence of what a woman is, right?
	You feel like perhaps there's something of a mockery made there because they're not actually capturing that essence.
	Would that be correct?
	Yes, exactly that.
	And then they, and then, you know, they can sometimes get really mad when you don't use the right terminology for them or like, you know, what their gender is.
	And it's like, I think it creates so much just stress.
	And I just don't know.
	I don't know.
	It's been really hard the past couple years for me.
	Like, you know how some people use they, them?
	And like, when it comes to things like that, it's just like hard to change your vocabulary of the English you've been taught.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, I can't refer to someone as a they naturally just because in like English language, it just doesn't like fit in my head.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	Like, how you've done it.
	Yeah, like, it's, and then, like, we're all changing our how we speak, and I'm just not trying to offend anyone.
	And I'm like, I'm all for like, if you want to be, or if you're a man and you want to dress like a woman, you want to be a woman.
	Like, I just don't see like, it just feels like it's so offensive to women, too.
	Like, it's just like, it can be really overwhelming.
	I think that's what I was trying to get at earlier.
	Just like, I'm not here to preach that, like, everyone's in the right on the trans side, or everyone's in the right on the other, like, whatever you want to call it.
	I think that's the only term I have, so I don't really know what you want me to call it.
	Yeah.
	But, like, down to the core of it, I just think that like people can be assholes.
	And as long as you're not an asshole, then great.
	So, like, if you're going to violently correct people, you are the one causing the conflict.
	And I don't agree with that either.
	But I just.
	I do have to move things on unless there's a really important Andrew.
	Do you have anything on this?
	Or?
	No, you can move on from there.
	I was just, though I was mansplaining a bit, I thought that perhaps I could capture the kind of the point of what was being said.
	Do you feel like I gave it to you?
	Oh, definitely.
	I think it helped me put it in the right order.
	Final thing.
	Sometimes mansplaining in that toxic masculinity is good.
	Final thing on this.
	It sounds like you've kind of perhaps accepted our definition insofar.
	Like you, you accept that that's how we view it, but do you view it that way or for the straight thing?
	Is it straight?
	Oh, no, I just think like I've always to me been treated as like being a gender identity thing.
	So if I'm wrong, then I need to go educate myself.
	Does that make sense?
	Like I'm not saying like, oh, that's your opinion.
	You can have it.
	And mine's different.
	I'm just saying, like, I just genuinely believe that those were the two like differentiations.
	Yeah.
	So if I'm wrong, then I'm okay.
	I'm down to be wrong.
	That's okay.
	Did you, when you said violence, though, when you said violent correction, do you consider words themselves to be violence?
	I think that it's not what you say, it's how you say it.
	She was just referring to like personal experience and like people aggressively, or like I don't really know what else I could consider.
	Yeah, words themselves to be violence.
	Say that again.
	You consider words themselves to be violent.
	No.
	I also don't think violent was the right word.
	I was meaning to say aggressive.
	Oh, aggressive.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Nikki, you disagreed that men are physically stronger than women.
	You know, I say that because women give birth and that's something that men will never be able to do.
	Okay.
	And that's really tough on our body in a different version of the strength.
	Yeah, it's a different version of strength.
	Wouldn't that be pain tolerance, though?
	Well, I feel like it's because, you know, we have to carry this.
	I don't have to negate that trans men can be women.
	I mean, I'm sorry, trans women could be.
	Yeah, trans women could be women.
	Just saying.
	But anyway, go ahead.
	I mean, that's all I have to say because.
	I mean, yeah, like obviously you guys like have like different level of strength and we I feel like we have a lot of I think I could probably make this super simple though, but like you acknowledge that like extremely physically weak women can have give birth and be pregnant.
	Yeah, like the weakest woman in the world could get pregnant and give birth.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	So what does that have to do with physical strength?
	Because I feel like we have to like carry around that kid for nine months and then we have to deal with like you know just carrying the kids around.
	Yeah, it's just a different version.
	Like obviously like I could never see myself doing construction like how these men do so they're obviously stronger than me in that aspect.
	You know.
	But men can't give birth so there wouldn't really be like anything to compete over.
	Like there wouldn't really be a comparison there.
	Like do you think if men if like men would not if men could get pregnant and give birth, like they wouldn't be like that's I'm just confused I guess but so you're not when it comes to actual physical strength I mean I guess I'm kind of just like a little 50-50 because obviously I would never be able to do the same work that a man does like in construction.
	Like I know I'll never be able to do that same work that they do.
	Sure.
	And then going to Milena?
	Did I say that right this time?
	You disagree that you can be sexist towards men.
	Hey guys, quiet back there, please.
	I don't think it's okay to be sexist towards men or women.
	Oh, no.
	Perhaps.
	Oh, like, is it a possibility?
	Yeah, people can.
	Do I think it's okay?
	No.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	We were having a rough time with these questions.
	I guess I agree.
	So it's more so like you can be sexist towards, like, as in some people, for example, say, because men are privileged, you can't be sexist towards them because, like, they're part of the oppressor class.
	I disagree.
	So you can, so you agree that you can be sexist towards men?
	Yeah.
	Okay, then that was okay.
	I don't think it's okay to do.
	That's what I meant.
	All right.
	Let's see.
	Allie, you disagree that there is no gender wage gap.
	Yeah, I had to think about that.
	Like the double negative thing.
	Yeah.
	That I think that there is a gender wage gap.
	Yeah, you think there is a gender wage gap.
	Jay, you also think that there is a gender wage gap?
	I thought it was pretty well known that there was in a lot of industries.
	Do you think that question for you two then?
	Do you guys think that WNBA players should be paid the same as NBA players?
	I don't follow any of that, but I mean, I guess, sure.
	Unless you have facts.
	It looks like you agree.
	I think they should be paid the same, but I think it does come down to who is getting the most views, interaction, brand deals, all of those different things.
	And I think that's the same when it comes to the jobs that men and women are traditionally doing.
	I think it's definitely changing.
	But I mean, throughout history, like women were traditionally in the home, so obviously they weren't making any money.
	But I think that when it comes to being in an industry, men just happen to be in more high-paying jobs just with how the world is.
	So I don't think that it's necessarily having to do with gender and more so with what they're doing.
	I was just more focused on the WNBA.
	I was more just focused on the WNBA thing.
	So you said that the WNBA player should be paid the same as the NBA players.
	Yeah, I do think so.
	But you also said, well, it depends on how much money they bring in, right?
	Yeah.
	Like, I mean, in a perfect world, I think they should be paid the same.
	I think that the circumstances make it so that they are.
	Right, but in a perfect world, there shouldn't be war and everyone should be pretty and nobody could be fat and blah, blah, blah.
	But I'm asking this question, like, as the world currently is.
	So, like, it's kind of pointless to be like, oh, in a perfect world, the world's never going to be perfect.
	I don't think that it's situationally possible for them to be paid the same right now just because of how everything is.
	So, I guess, no, to that direct question.
	Okay.
	And then WNBA players, should they be paid the same as NBA players?
	No, that's literally the exact same standpoint I have.
	Like, it's just not I think, I think they deserve to be, but I know the fan base isn't fully there yet because I think it depends a lot on like viewers, fans, like how much money they bring in, you know, selling tickets for games, like merchandise, brand deals, things like that.
	All right.
	But so, okay.
	Going to the gender wage gap then.
	What do you guys, you guys think that there is one?
	What do you guys think that is?
	I only know that there is one because I have seen those studies.
	Yeah, literally.
	And it was ages ago.
	So, like, I am not one to speak on facts.
	Okay.
	Andrew, you want to quickly do a quick thing on the wage gap?
	Well, yeah, I mean, we can dive into it.
	So, the idea here that it, I mean, it's essentially just that for the same work, women should be paid the same as a man.
	The problem is, is that when we start actually running studies on this and we start kind of diving into it, we recognize very quickly that there's some offsets that don't really make a lot of sense.
	For instance, maternity leave and risk association.
	So, if you were to think that you are in charge of a business and you have to hire an employee, you can find a male and a female, and they're perhaps both equally qualified.
	But the woman will want to offset for family time and will want to offset more for pregnancies and things like this.
	Makes them a bit of a higher risk, which brings their negotiating power down.
	Really doesn't have anything to do with sexism.
	It seems to mostly only have to do with the fact that there's a risk association which occurs with this.
	And so it's just negotiating leverage.
	Also, really quick, who here wants this?
	I don't know.
	Chair One looks like she wants to disagree.
	I have no brute facts at my hands that you do not have.
	I worked in HR and I just saw a lot of things about exactly what you're talking about.
	And there's studies in other countries that prove that whenever you give the same amount of paternity leave as maternity leave, morale and production rates go up.
	And so if you look at it that way, if we had it equal, then wouldn't you have the same risk?
	Well, in those countries, in those same countries, they create uniformity laws.
	So what they do is they say, you simply can't.
	You simply can't pay a distinct wage.
	But if left to their own devices, they will pay a distinct wage.
	But the question is not whether or not they pay this wage based on the fact that they're being sexist, but based on the fact that they're doing a basic risk assessment.
	So if one sex is more riskier than the other sex to employ, why wouldn't you, as the employer, opt for the sex that had less risk?
	That's what I don't understand.
	Like you said, you have more facts than me.
	I don't.
	No, no, no.
	I have no different facts than people.
	Oh, I thought you said you did.
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah, I have no different facts than you have.
	I'm just looking at it from the standpoint of logical assessment.
	So in this case, I'm just going to grant that it exists.
	I'm just going to grant.
	I'm not even going to crunch the numbers.
	I'm not going to do the math, right?
	Many people have done it.
	It's highly contested, but I don't even think we need to.
	Just looking at it from an employer basis, why wouldn't you take into account risk assessment when it came to hiring men versus women?
	That seems totally reasonable to me.
	I mean, if you're only looking at that risk, then sure.
	And I just like, I know that this can go further and further and further.
	And so I was just trying to avoid that.
	But there's plenty of other risk factors that I'm sure you could look at that I don't have the facts on.
	So I'm not one to be argumentative about it.
	Okay.
	Final question on this on the wage gap thing.
	Who here wants a guy to pay for the first date?
	Show of hands.
	Yes.
	One, two, three, four.
	Yeah, I mean, so you want the man to pay for the first date?
	Maybe just scoot into the table a little bit if you can.
	I'm going to get off that angle.
	There's a lot of reasons.
	Well, one, the wage gap doesn't really exist when you control for all factors.
	It shrinks down to something like 99 cents to the dollar, as opposed to the uncontrolled gender wage gap, which doesn't factor in for time hours worked, location, seniority, type of job, overtime hours worked, these sorts of things.
	But when it comes to this, couldn't you just argue, like putting all those other things aside, couldn't you just argue, well, okay, let's say 50% of women want men to pay for the first date.
	Wouldn't this create like enough of a mating and social pressure on men that doesn't exist in women in terms of a motivating factor that because of this, Men just are more motivated and they work harder because of the pressure that women put on men.
	I personally wouldn't.
	I normally have like a way of, I will let a guy pay for the like meal if he insists on it, but I normally always pay for my own because that's only because for like and in addition to that, even though some of the girls didn't say like, oh, I want a guy to pay for the first date, probably I would argue, those of you who, even if you didn't raise your hand, even if you don't want it, you still have the experience of having men pay for the first date anyway.
	Would that be the case for you?
	Yeah, because they, because I always suggest like no, because I don't know if there's going to be second dates, so I don't see why you should be wasting your money on me type shit.
	So I normally always pay for my own things, but some people, some men insist on it.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	So it occurs to me that there's a good probability, even if only like 50% of women, I think it's more, but even if only 50% of women want a man who's a provider or want a man to pay for first dates or subsequent dates, that this is going to create a pressure on men that you don't see this pressure being equally applied to women or even at all applied to women.
	I, for example, or I've never gone on a date with a woman with the expectation that she pays the entire bill, but there are plenty of women who go on dates with the expectation that the entire bill be paid for them.
	And so for this reason, I think just this alone would actually just explain the way the gender wage gap, men are just simply more motivated by women's own pressure on men to be providers and to pay for dates.
	Moving things on, going over to Laura, you said you disagree that men are the primary victims of war.
	I really didn't understand that question, but I think every, I mean, obviously, if there's war, everyone's a victim of it.
	Yeah, everybody's a victim, but like there could be primary, secondary victims.
	Like, for example, how about this?
	Do I want to use an extreme example?
	Like, okay, let's say there's a war and it's just men fighting and 100,000 men die and like the economy sucks for the women and the children and then the men who aren't fighting.
	Who's the primary victim of war?
	I still think just everybody is.
	Still the women, even though no women died and 100,000 men died?
	Yeah, because now what are they gonna?
	I mean, I'm not one that's like, what are we gonna do without men?
	But like, you know, like it would affect the families.
	Yeah, okay, so like a woman, a woman who gets SA'd and she has male family members, is she the primary victim of the SA or is like everybody equally a victim because the male family members are very upset about her being SA'd and feel really bad about it.
	Oh, she is.
	She would be.
	The girl would be.
	Okay, and what about like a woman who's, I don't know if this would make her a victim, but in terms of measuring suffering, how about like a woman who's pregnant and she's going through the pains of pregnancy and when she's giving birth, there's like, she's not a victim, but she's perhaps suffering physically.
	Her husband is there seeing her suffer.
	Is he also the suffering equal?
	No, definitely not.
	Okay.
	So like, is dying worse than, so when it bringing it back to war, would you say dying is probably worse than like, I'm sure it's very traumatic to like lose a loved one or something in the war and like have the economy fucked, having to rebuild the country or whatever.
	You're living with it as well.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, no, definitely losing your life is more intense.
	Yeah, with that question, I literally thought about like people, like, I thought about drafting.
	Like, yeah, like men coming back with a PTSD and stuff like that.
	That's what I thought about.
	Oh, okay.
	But now we have women that fight in war, so.
	Not as many, though.
	Not really.
	Yeah, not really.
	They're not really ever in combat.
	Yeah, very, very rare.
	I have three of my sisters are in the army.
	And all three of your sisters were never in combat.
	One of them were.
	No, none of them were.
	No, no, no.
	Say it like you actually, like, say it, talk about it like you know me.
	Yeah, no, it's not about knowing you.
	It's about knowing, it's about knowing how it works.
	And no, they don't send women into frontline combat.
	It doesn't happen.
	No, I don't know what she does, but obviously the front line is placed with people that actually know what they're have been doing it for way longer.
	That's your front line.
	It's not a place that they send male soldiers because they're the only ones who are allowed to fight in frontline combat.
	That's it.
	Like, it's not a dunk on you.
	It's not even.
	You're just talking now.
	Oh, it's not even resistance to your position.
	I'm sure that you have three sisters, and all three of them are the bravest military personnel who've ever existed, but they're not in frontline combat.
	You're talking to yourself.
	What's that?
	I didn't hear you.
	You're talking to yourself now.
	Are you just shut down?
	You can't engage?
	It's too much for you?
	Was it too much for me to say that your sisters weren't at the front lines with machine guns gunning down the Soviets?
	Like, that was too much for you?
	That was too much?
	Your sisters weren't ninjaing up the enemy.
	They didn't crawl through the trenches with a dagger in their teeth and take them down.
	It was a dirt.
	That was just, that was too much.
	It was a dirk, Andrew.
	That's how I feel.
	That's how I know your dick is small because you have to make up your personality.
	Aren't in frontline combat.
	Wait, ridiculous.
	Wait, hold on, Andrew.
	I want you to.
	Can you say it one more time?
	No.
	Say what?
	Come on.
	Fine.
	I said, I know your dick is small simply because you're trying to make it up for it with your personality.
	Oh, no.
	Yeah, it's as small as you can.
	You're so loud, dude.
	You're so as small as your chest is 20.
	Hey, Andrew.
	She has nice boobs.
	And where?
	Andrew!
	Excuse me.
	I thought that.
	There.
	Excuse you, Andrew.
	Excuse me.
	The nice ones.
	The one that she's actually in the room with me and actually can look at them.
	Excuse you, Andrew.
	How dare you attack the itty-bitty titty committee member again?
	I am upset.
	He's offended, actually.
	In solidarity, I'm a fucking ally, bro.
	My feelings have been hurt.
	Fucking Andrew.
	Unbelievable.
	Unbelievable, Andrew.
	Can't believe.
	Also, I don't think it's very nice, though, to make fun of people with small penises.
	And it's not nice to make fun of people with small titties.
	So we're even.
	You started it.
	You started it.
	No, I'm not.
	I finished it.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, you did.
	You started it.
	No, I didn't.
	I didn't start anything.
	No, I didn't start anything.
	I think you're tripping.
	You're tripping, Andrew.
	Calm down.
	Tripping.
	He's tripping.
	Calm down.
	What quantifies a small penis for those of us of us that don't know?
	What you think?
	Sorry.
	Why can't I tell you what?
	No, not like you don't have to move.
	I mean, like this.
	How many inches is a single pen?
	Here, tell me when to stop.
	What do you mean, when to stop?
	Tell me when to stop.
	I think she literally wants to know like smallest five and under.
	Tell me when to stop.
	Stop.
	Smallest five and under.
	Stop.
	What?
	Yeah.
	Six.
	That's five.
	That's okay.
	Five and under.
	How dare you talk about Andrew's penis?
	Oh my god.
	That is so rude.
	I am so ashamed.
	Oh my god, Andrew.
	You know what?
	I want you to apologize.
	I just apologize.
	Say sorry.
	Oh my gosh.
	I'm so sorry, Andrew.
	Apology.
	That's beautiful.
	Oh, look at that.
	Look at that.
	Why can't we all be friends here?
	I like that.
	All right.
	It's good.
	It's an apology.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate that, Darkavia.
	And it was so sincere.
	There you go.
	It was very sincere.
	You heard it?
	You heard it in there?
	It was very good.
	It was very, you know, moving.
	It was in no way dripping with venom.
	No way.
	It's true.
	No way.
	No way.
	You know what, though?
	We got to start making fun of women.
	Like, oh, this biach must have had a cavernous vagina.
	What does that mean?
	I love how that's the first thing you can open.
	You know what a cavern is?
	Open.
	A cavern?
	Oh, my gosh.
	Have you ever been in a cavern?
	It's like a cave.
	Oh, a cavern.
	Bigger than a cave.
	A cavern, bruv.
	Bruv.
	Who heard what would a cavern look like?
	That was the first thing that, like, that's the first thing that flew in your head.
	Like, it doesn't have a whole cavern.
	It's like a tunnel.
	Cavernous.
	Look, I'm just saying, y'all, y'all be talking like a tic-tac down a hallway.
	A tic-tac?
	Like a hot dog down a hot.
	Like a.
	Yeah.
	That's the one problem I would have overhead.
	I'm so lost.
	But I'm just saying, like, I don't know.
	These girls be talking about big dick energy, small dick energy.
	You got a small dick.
	You got a shrimp dick, whatever.
	Maybe what?
	I think we got to start.
	Andrew, we got to start saying, like, if we're ever disagreeing with a chick, we got to be like, bro, you just got a cavernous vagina.
	Man, we've been disagreeing all night.
	This is huge, pussy.
	Not the Audi kind.
	I was going to say, didn't you say that that was like what you preferred?
	No.
	Audis can be very.
	No, hold on.
	There's difference.
	Difference, okay.
	Okay.
	Difference.
	No, I know.
	Yeah, I got you.
	If you love someone, why would the size of the penis matter?
	That's what I want to know.
	Because you got to be able to be satisfied by the person you're with.
	But you're going to have to wait for someone to be able to get someone else.
	Or else you're going to care about them.
	Yeah, like honestly.
	Yeah, she's right.
	I could do with someone that has small penis.
	That is so beautiful.
	I could too.
	I could.
	I would end up cheating.
	If I really care about them, I could.
	Definitely do it.
	That increases your chances a little bit because he's a millionaire black autist, but small PP, micropene.
	I think it's improved a little bit.
	As long as we have good conversation, then it's okay.
	It's all right.
	That's all that matters.
	Yeah, dude, I love that.
	I love it.
	I don't really have anything but my fingers to compare it to.
	So as long as it's bigger than that, pump the brakes.
	Pump the brakes.
	Oh, here we go.
	Big sass energy.
	$200.
	Loose puppy energy.
	Oh, he meant to say loose.
	It changes it now.
	Big sass energy.
	Loose P-word energy.
	Loose pussy energy.
	Oh, I just wanted to.
	No one needed it.
	Who has it?
	I don't know.
	Who has that?
	Loose puppy energy.
	Streamlabs automatically changes bad words now to other words, I guess.
	Do they know before they send it?
	Probably not, huh?
	Like, does it autocorrect before, or just like when it pops up?
	When it pops up.
	Yeah, they send it in.
	They don't even know what the autocorrect is.
	That's it.
	It goes through the bamboozle.
	Fantastic.
	Going to the next thing, Nikki.
	You disagree.
	So the statement is: women are not oppressed in the United States.
	You disagree.
	Okay.
	Let me start off by saying that I did not answer this right because honestly, I don't even really know what oppressed means.
	That's okay.
	Here.
	You know what I want, though?
	Because you don't know the definition of a word, you need to read a page, any page.
	I want you to just paint it.
	Here, I'm a stutter.
	Fudge.
	Cornelius Fudge.
	You're going to read this.
	Okay, read a book from Harry Potter.
	She's reading Harry Potter.
	I'm going to embarrass myself.
	I started really loud.
	Can you kind of like hold it up so that it's a little bit more dangerous?
	You could do it.
	Yeah, you got it.
	Wait, this one's shorter.
	Cornelius Fudge.
	Did it get fucked?
	Can I do this one?
	No, you gotta do it.
	You did say any page.
	Nope, it's that page.
	Cornelius Fudge.
	Go ahead.
	I'm also a little cracked out from the monster book.
	Quiet, guys.
	Quiet.
	Be polite.
	Be polite.
	Harry, Ron, and Hermione had always known that Hagrid had an unfortunate liking for large and monstrous creatures.
	Me too.
	During their first year at Hogwarts, he tried to raise a dragon in his little wooden house, and it wouldn't be long before they forgot the giant three-headed he'd christened Fluffy.
	As if boy Hagrid had heard that a monster was hiding somewhere in the castle.
	Harry was sure he'd have gone to any lengths for a glimpse of it.
	He probably thought it was a shame that the monster had been cooped up so long and thought it deserved the chance to stretch its many legs.
	Harry could just imagine the 13-year-old Hagrid trying to fit a leash and collar on it, but he was equally certain that Hagrid would never have meant to kill anybody.
	Harry half wished he hadn't found out how to work Riddle's dairy.
	Wait, Riddle's diary.
	Again and again, Ron and Hermione made him recount.
	That was the best I'd ever done.
	Did that.
	All right, I'll take it back.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	Really good job.
	That was fantastic.
	Well done.
	Well done.
	I don't know.
	Okay, so disagree though.
	Women are not.
	You disagree, women are not oppressed in the USA.
	Riri, you also disagreed.
	And then that's all for the disagreements.
	Why do you disagree?
	Okay, I agree.
	Can you tell me what it means again?
	Because that might make me change my answer.
	Because I really don't know what it means.
	So I'll Google it just to make sure that we give you the best definition.
	I need to go back to the next one.
	So oppression is the unjust or cruel use of power or authority, especially by imposing burdens on a group of people.
	Malicious or unjust treatment of or exercise of power over a group of individuals, often in the form of government authority.
	Yeah.
	Is that helpful or not really?
	No.
	Can I have an example?
	An example of oppression.
	You know what?
	I'll just go example of oppression.
	Because it probably made me change my answer.
	I really didn't know what I was doing.
	Oh, can I get it in a sentence?
	So I think slavery would be an example of oppression.
	Okay.
	Denial, religious persecution.
	Like Andrew over here, he's used it as an adjective.
	Yes, yes.
	Let's see.
	I oppressed my wife when I made her cook my dinner.
	Oppressed.
	Like he forced her to?
	W oppression of Rachel Wilson in the chat.
	W oppression.
	There's not as much oppression as I'd like around.
	Yeah, you need oppressed.
	I got to step it up.
	Those are rookie numbers, Andrew.
	Step it up.
	Say whatever you want to say.
	Okay.
	Another example is like, you know how they have in the, I don't want to be wrong with the location, but the Middle East, you know, when the women have to be completely covered, that's like an example of oppression.
	Okay, okay.
	So then we're.
	Yeah, okay, no.
	We are not oppressed in America.
	My family's from a third world country.
	We're not oppressed here.
	I totally agree that the oppression is nowhere near how it is.
	And I don't believe that all women are necessarily oppressed, depending on how they live, what they're doing.
	But I do think that in a lot of circumstances, when it comes to things like medical oppression, where women are less likely to get appropriate treatment and the rates that black women die giving birth, things like that, I do believe are oppression because we just kind of ignore them and brush them under the rug.
	Aren't women more likely to go to the doctor?
	And less, yeah, and less likely to get proper treatment or proper diagnosis.
	Andrew, do you have anything on this?
	Well, that one I could give facts on.
	Give me the facts.
	No, that was it.
	I was just joking that I was in a wheelchair.
	That was just a shitty joke.
	Yeah.
	But legitimately not in the middle of the day.
	I thought you said you were going to give me facts on the idea of medical care being oppressive towards women.
	Yeah, I really did, but it was so.
	Can I provide one counterexample to you?
	So I think that, I don't know if this is a great argument, but so men are much more likely to be scientifically experimented on consensually.
	But this would indicate to me that men are so desperate for money, they're much more willing than women, for example, to take experimental drugs, experimental treatments, and to be compensated for money.
	I think that this would be perhaps a counterexample that, at least in the medical field, why is it like more, well, there's a greater proportion of men who are medically experimented on than women.
	I think if it was the reverse, there would be uproar like, oh my God, why are we like using women as guinea pigs for medical experimentation?
	But she used birth as an example.
	Wait, what?
	She just used dying, giving birth as an example.
	Well, black women.
	She's talking about in all first world countries, the well, especially in the United States, this is a phenomenon which has been happening where the maternal death rate has climbed due to birth.
	But the reason for this is because of age women are giving birth later in life in their 30s now.
	And so this has contributed to the idea that, hey, women suffer greatly under some type of medical malpractice, which is associated with them specifically because now they're dying in childbirth in higher numbers than they did even 20 or 30 years ago.
	But it's just because of the age of the women.
	They're just getting older.
	They're literally giving birth older, so they have more complications.
	And as you age, your liver gets worse, and we still do research to figure out how to give an older person a liver.
	So why is birth different?
	Wait, also, I don't.
	Well, because you can only do so many contributing factors towards the science of a thing.
	It's one thing to make the claim.
	Well, you know, are we stopping the science of trying to figure out how to make these births happen in an easier and safer way for women?
	The answer is no.
	But if you just say, well, because it's happening, there's some sort of medical oppression towards them, that's just silly.
	That nobody's ever dealt, no country basically ever has dealt with an aging female population which is giving birth in their 30s on average.
	That's just that's never really happened in history.
	Most women have given birth traditionally in their 20s.
	And when you take birth out of it, then what about things like doctors refusing to give women testing based on symptoms that they tell them, or you know, primarily diagnosing women with some form of hysteria or mental illness before even doing any form of testing and writing that off is okay versus men.
	Yeah.
	Well, first of all, you have a sampling bias here.
	You have a lot more women who will go to the doctor before they'll go to a psychologist in order to get a reference to a psychologist.
	Which I recognize.
	I'm referring to the ratio.
	Yeah, well, I mean, per capita, this is not correct.
	So, per capita, men are misdiagnosed just as much as women are.
	I mean, there's no doubt about it.
	They even come in with very different symptoms than women have because the physiology is different.
	So, yeah, I mean, per capita misdiagnosis is just as bad.
	I do admit that more women are misdiagnosed than men, but that's because there's a sampling bias, and there's a lot more women who go to get treatment than men for various issues.
	But per capita, no.
	Well, I hear what you're saying.
	And I cannot give you like a direct link.
	Everything that I've seen that was research-based was ratio-based, percentage-based percentage of women that go in versus percentage of men that go in, and the refusal of getting testing before you even get a misdiagnosis is what I'm referring to: mental health diagnosis.
	The same thing happens to men for all sorts of various chronic issues that they have, too.
	It's just sampling of misdiagnoses.
	Yeah, I was misdiagnosed as a psychopath when I just had alexithymia.
	So I think it is true.
	I think women are more misdiagnosed.
	You were never diagnosed as a psychopath.
	Well, ASPD, ASPD.
	I was diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder.
	And that was a misdiagnosis.
	And I think because I think if I was a man, I wasn't.
	But misdiagnoses in the medical community is very common, especially in psychology, because psychology, there is no physical ailment which can be pointed to, only behavioral ailments.
	That's it.
	So because that's the case, the way that we would associate whether somebody is suffering from mental illness would be a deviation from what we would consider typical behavior.
	So we can't look at physical problems to do most diagnoses.
	I mean, there's just no way to do it.
	You just sample it off of the bull size and say, okay, if this is non-typical behavior in society, that's how you associate what is mental illness and what isn't.
	There's really no other way to do it.
	It's a soft science for that reason.
	If someone presented data to you that proved the other way, would you believe it?
	Of course.
	If there was significant data that you could show that the methodology and the soft sciences, which suffer, by the way, heavily from the replication crisis, meaning that most of these studies, most, by the way, not some, upwards in psychology of 60% plus, in some cases in Canadian psychology, it's been estimated as high as 70%, cannot be replicated, these studies, even with the same exact groups.
	So they'll get the same doctors, same focal groups, same everything, and they cannot replicate these studies.
	This is known as the replication crisis.
	For soft science, this is a big, big problem.
	Hard sciences don't suffer from this because of controls.
	So, we were talking about we were you and I were discussing controls earlier.
	When you're talking about controls in psychology, it's almost impossible because all you're doing is taking non-typical behavior and trying to group it as being something which can be a predictive model, and it's almost impossible to do.
	So, this is why they're just like, well, maybe your brain chemistry is off, and they basically experiment on you.
	There's no real way to do it other than that.
	They could take this pill.
	Let's see if this makes you feel a little bit better.
	How do you feel now?
	They really, there's really no great way to just talk to you for a few minutes and go, okay, you have A, B, C, and D. Just, there's just no way to do that.
	Uh, so, going back to this, when it came when it comes to women being oppressed, uh, you decided to like uh this treatment when it comes to medicine.
	Although it just occurred to me, it did occur to me that when it comes to like this differential treatment, when it comes to healthcare, um, men on I think men on average die five years earlier than women.
	I mean, that's a massive gap.
	I mean, and that's probably like health-related.
	I mean, it could be like risk-related too, like men take more risks, like they maybe I don't know, or don't go in like you were saying.
	Men suffer in silence.
	I've heard things that you wouldn't believe.
	Like, men, there's a lot of young men that are addicted to pornography that want a girlfriend, and it's like it's so crazy.
	And they work a nine-to-five and they don't tell anybody how they feel.
	They only tell a therapist or a mental health person.
	And, like, I don't, I don't understand like how is it that people are not worried about this because men in their 30s and 40s-I mean, um, yeah, 20s, 30s, and 40s, they want things that they don't think they'll ever get, and they're angry.
	And, like, I've had dudes tell me that they think about essaying women, and then they're like, But I'm not going to do that because I'm a good guy.
	But then, like, they're they live alone when they come home from work, they play video games, they watch pornography, and then they have to like deal with the reality that like they're not where they feel like being in life.
	Like, men are men are really like suffering, and the only reason I know is because of my job.
	And I, I don't know, like, I feel like the government should be like more worried because if like the internet cuts out, like, these dudes are gonna like go out and like do some really good stuff.
	Maybe, I don't know, all right, I don't know because the stuff I hear is like crazy.
	Going back to this, though, you did say that women are oppressed.
	Um, do you think you're oppressed?
	I really don't think that I necessarily experience oppression in the same way.
	I think I do think about things that other people might not necessarily see as oppression, like how the cost for like a prostate cancer exam.
	Oh, why are you guys laughing if the internet cuts out?
	They're screwed, they're screwed, and the internet goes out.
	They're screwed, bro.
	The world is coming to an end, it's like the adderal shortage, you know.
	Oh, yeah, okay, all right.
	Um, so, uh, women, are you oppressed?
	Yeah, I don't think I necessarily experience it directly.
	Um, okay, yeah, but so, but women are oppressed in the USA, yeah, okay.
	Um, I don't believe that all women in the U.S. experience oppression, but I do believe that it was like the medical thing, and then it was what was the give me like the two other things I think you said.
	I think that medically is really the biggest thing, yeah, for me.
	All right, I'm gonna move it on then.
	Uh, let's see, we've got uh, women have equal rights to men in the USA.
	To Allie, you disagreed.
	Say it again.
	I'm so sorry, I was zoned out.
	Women have equal rights to men in the USA.
	You disagree with this statement?
	No, then I just read it wrong.
	Sorry.
	Oh my, come on.
	You just don't want to argue about it.
	No, legitimately, I've argued plenty of things.
	I think you understand that I can argue about it.
	So you think then that women do have equal rights in the United States?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Jay, you disagreed, though.
	You think women do not have equal rights in the United States?
	Why is that?
	I think, as I saw on the reproductive rights, that's the biggest one.
	That's the biggest one.
	I mean, I'm lucky that living here in Los Angeles, it doesn't affect me too much, but I grew up in a red state.
	And I know how it is.
	In certain places, it's a lot worse.
	Yeah.
	Anything else besides that?
	Besides the abortion stuff?
	I mean, that's the biggest one.
	Well, what's the smaller one?
	I'd say, I can't really, that's the main one that I'm aware of.
	I can't really think of anymore.
	But I mean, main one would seem to imply that there are other ways in which women don't have equal rights to men in the USA.
	Are there anymore?
	Is that the only one?
	That's the only one, I guess, I really think about.
	Yeah.
	Well, so the prompt is women have equal rights to men in the United States.
	Granted, or excuse me, misspoke.
	Given that men don't have any reproductive rights, would it be safe to say that actually women have more rights when it comes to reproduction?
	And in fact, moving closer to equality between men and women would seem to either need for well, it would dictate that men, that women, their right to an abortion is completely walked back entirely.
	Would that would be a good idea?
	I mean, men can't get pregnant, so it's irrelevant to them.
	Right, but like, so if we're, when we're talking about equal rights, that's a comparison of rights between men and women.
	So men need to have a certain right that a woman does not.
	Since men have no rights, like for example, a man can't compel a woman to get an abortion.
	it would seem to me that equality would dictate that we completely and entirely walk back women's access to abortion in order to get equality.
	Yeah, I'm a bit concerned.
	So are all these questions that you typed on here, like all the ones you like you agree to?
	What do you mean agree?
	Like those questions?
	Well, I mean, everything I just said now when it came to abortion, that's not my position.
	I think she's just asking if you wrote the questions, if you chose the question.
	Yeah, or I wrote these.
	And I do think that women have equal rights to men in the United States.
	That's why I specifically didn't disagree with that because I don't think when it comes to abortion, it's a matter of equal rights because it doesn't affect men at all.
	So it's not.
	You can't really weigh it against anything.
	So it's not really a matter of equal rights.
	That's kind of my perspective on it.
	It's like, it's not really an example of some sort of inequality between men and women because it's like men can't get pregnant.
	So it's like it's.
	There's nothing to compare it to for men.
	Yeah.
	So, yeah.
	And let's see.
	Moving on.
	Adult age gap relationships.
	A couple of you have serious issues with adult age gap relationships, it seems.
	Or maybe not, actually.
	Hold on.
	I literally like that one.
	I'm assuming.
	Elena.
	And Laura, you guys object to age gap relationships.
	The example provided a 30-year-old dating a 19-year-old.
	Objections?
	Object.
	I object, Your Honor.
	I mean, obviously it's legal, but I think the maturity level is very different.
	I can't think of any scenario where like a 19-year-old has the same maturity level and life experience as a 30-year-old.
	Word, that's, yeah.
	What were you pointing at?
	Wait, is Andrew?
	Somebody told me to stream?
	Oh, no.
	Somebody said your stream was messed up, but I think it's fine.
	I'm sorry.
	So you're saying like the maturity levels or like the life experience, it's different.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I said that only from a perspective of me.
	I've been there and I would just give anyone the advice not to do that.
	Yeah.
	They're in two different life arenas.
	A 19-year-old is not in the same arena in life as a 30-year-old man.
	But you can't put that in perspective because some people at young ages do have an older, like more of a mature mindset.
	So what you mean, that's literally just states for them to like older people.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	I feel like I thought that was me.
	You know what I mean?
	But then now that they simply die because they're mature.
	And everything that goes into a older man is maturity.
	But is he really mature if he's something with people that young?
	Yes, but some people, some, you can't not blame it.
	But I have like older men.
	Some guys like younger, like younger girls.
	Some women like younger men.
	It's just, it doesn't just justify.
	It's just as a man's perspective.
	And then how people just can't be with someone older than them when there's scenarios when younger people like being with older people and older people like being with younger people on both sides.
	Men and women.
	Agree with that.
	I just think 19 is too young.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's where I'm at.
	If it was like 21, I wouldn't say much.
	These years are a big difference.
	Do you think we should like raise the voting age for women since they can't like consent to have sex with like men, you know?
	Adult men.
	No, I the first thing I said is that it's legal.
	Oh, okay.
	Sorry, I missed that part then.
	I just don't think it's like right.
	Yeah, I think the maturity levels.
	It's totally just a preference thing.
	Sure.
	I mean, I would probably, it's weird, but people do it.
	And as long as no one's getting hurt, like, I just.
	Yeah.
	It's not for me.
	I wouldn't date a 30-year-old.
	I feel like a majority of 19-year-olds wouldn't date a 30-year-old, but whatever.
	I don't care when a dating person is.
	I would never date a 19-year-old.
	I can't imagine.
	You were in an age gap.
	You were dating a younger guy.
	He was 25, not 19.
	Yeah, okay.
	That's not as much of a.
	But younger than that would be pushing it.
	When I was 19, I was seeing like 45-year-olds.
	And at the time, that was definitely my type.
	I loved Delph-looking guys, you know, like silver foxes and stuff like that.
	But now that I'm like 26, I realize that most of the time that wasn't really like personally, it just was like, why?
	Like, that's actually weird.
	I think no matter the gender, I think it's weird of the older person.
	Like, even the whole Kardashians, they're all like 40-something, and now they're all dating like 20-year-olds.
	I know that's not that big of a difference, but it's like, it's such an interesting concept.
	But yet, like, for me, like, would I, if I was 19, would I go for an older man?
	Probably.
	I, like, I would probably, I would probably have done it simply just because older men are attractive based on what they know and their access to resources.
	Yeah, like, I honestly, I would do it.
	There you go.
	If I was 19, but I guess I am seeing a 45-year-old right now.
	You were 19.
	Huh?
	What would be like the age limit of the guy when you're 19?
	It depends if I was attracted to him.
	I definitely would.
	Like, if I was like, damn.
	If you found them attractive, what would the age limit?
	But the attractiveness is what matters.
	That's what matters.
	Yeah, I mean, like, there is definitely an age gap where it does get weird.
	Like, maybe like 50, 60, 60.
	Like, if you have wrinkles on you and you, like, you don't, like, you, an old man, like, my only option right now is a 50-year-old, but he, he got wrinkles and he's not attractive, but he keeps on saying he's a millionaire.
	And I'm like, I don't want to, you know?
	So it's like, why would I do that?
	But then again, I'm broke.
	So I got to think about it.
	I mean, that's so real.
	About talking to me without.
	Have to consider it.
	Me with my 50-year-old right now.
	But yeah, no, I honestly, yeah.
	Like, I would say that's worth it.
	So that's why.
	I'm 19 and I feel weird about like 22.
	Like, I mean, I would probably, but like, I feel weird talking.
	Like, it's just weird.
	It's like a life experience difference.
	Like, it's just weird.
	Yeah.
	Also, and I feel like at my age, like, it feels a lot bigger than it would if I was older.
	I don't do it younger than 25 at 22.
	How about you, Andrew?
	How do you feel about the topic?
	Yeah.
	Also, in your case, it's like you can't drink legally, too.
	It's weird.
	Like, I'm not going to be going out.
	I have some technical difficulty on my end.
	I just got to sort it out.
	What were you guys talking about?
	We're talking about the age gap from 19 to was it 40?
	Or like how do you get 30?
	How do you feel about that?
	I've never heard a compelling moral argument against it ever.
	Against it.
	I think I just don't care what other people attract.
	Andrew, you're with it.
	Attraction matters.
	Yeah, that's what I think.
	I think if you're attracted to the 40 or the 50-year-old, then it wouldn't matter.
	But if you're not attracted to them, then you can't.
	What was the question that was asked?
	I was like, so you're with it?
	Like, you think it's fine or you're against it?
	Yeah, I've never heard a good compelling argument against it ever.
	I agree that it should be legal.
	I think it's weird, though.
	Like that.
	Well, I get it.
	So the number one argument from women.
	You date white men.
	Yeah, the number one argument from women on this is that it gives them the ick.
	It gives me.
	But that's not an argument.
	It's just an emotional state.
	I think the ick is also biological.
	Hang on.
	Hang on.
	We'll get to you in just a second, I promise.
	But yeah, I've never actually heard a good, compelling argument against an age gap relationship.
	So here's a good example of this.
	If there was some 21-year-old woman that you knew who was madly in love with a 41-year-old man and told you he's the one and I just adore him and he treats me great, would any of you say a damn word to her about that?
	No.
	Yeah.
	That's the opinions.
	I wouldn't say it, though.
	Exactly.
	But what's on my life?
	What would you be your opinions?
	Yeah, right.
	So then the idea here is, like, it just gives you the ick, but you don't see any moral issue with it, or you would say something about it.
	It's that I think the older person does it because they can't.
	Sorry, I interrupted you.
	And what if the ick is a biological response?
	Because the person that is interested in me, he looks older, and I want to have kids.
	So why would I have kids with someone that looks older?
	I feel like they're not going to give me the best kids.
	So you talk about this man quite a bit.
	I think you should go for him.
	Well, it's just a matter of interest.
	So the interest in priorities.
	So men tend to be mostly attracted to younger women.
	And this is in all age groups that we see who are asked about this.
	It's not that they're not attracted to women who are not younger than them because they are.
	It's just that when universally asked, what is the most attractive age group?
	It's usually women who are in their 20s.
	Yeah, and same goes for women.
	Like, that's why we would have the word cougar.
	Come on, Alan.
	No, no.
	Women tend to view attraction differently.
	They tend to view it around about five years or so of their age, universally reported.
	Whereas men, universal, I'm just telling you what's reported.
	You can disagree with it.
	I'm just telling you what people say.
	So, but yeah, universally, they think attractive women, they're almost all universally attracted to women in their 20s.
	This makes sense, though, because if you think about it from a biological basis, it's mostly women in their 20s who can have children, right?
	They have the highest fertility rate.
	So if that's the case, if the idea of evolution is true and reproduction is the primary edict, then of course the attraction for men is going to be younger women, right?
	Because they can reproduce.
	That makes sense.
	Women, they don't prioritize the same thing.
	They often prioritize resources over looks.
	This is why you see tons and tons of really, really ugly dudes with really, really hot chicks.
	And the kind of presupposition is, well, that dude's obviously rich.
	And most of the time, you're right.
	He is rich.
	That's why they're with him.
	So if a woman is in her 30s, do you think she should just be with someone that wants to be with her, even if she's not attracted to them?
	What does this have to do with age?
	I'm sorry, this has nothing to do with age gap.
	Unless you can refine your question to relate it to the topic.
	Well, there is an age gap within the dynamic.
	What?
	Forget about it.
	It's okay.
	No, no, no.
	I don't need advice.
	It's all good.
	I would never date a guy I'm not attracted to.
	I can't.
	Yeah.
	I can't.
	And I'm in my 30s.
	I can't.
	It's the idea of what's.
	It has to do with the age gap.
	So, okay, repeat your question.
	So women can find things and find qualities in men which are attractive, which are external to looks.
	So let's say the guy's like a five or four, right?
	And he's old like me or something like this.
	Maybe you could compensate for the fact that he's kind of ugly with the fact that he's also really rich, right?
	You can compensate for these facts.
	You know, that's depending on the type of woman.
	It depends on what they're looking at for attraction.
	Whereas men, it's basically just one thing.
	If you're physically hot, they really just don't give a shit about much else.
	It's really, it's pretty simple, right?
	Men are very easy in that regard.
	They'll really put up with an awful lot of horrible shit from women just because they're hot.
	Like, that's just the truth.
	That's very true.
	Does that answer your question?
	What he said in the first half answered my question, yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'm going to move on then.
	Allie's in the bathroom, but I'll get the, let's see.
	So, Rachel, you, the statement is acceptable.
	It is acceptable for high body count men to prefer to date low body count or virgin women.
	You disagreed.
	And then we had.
	Where did the wheelchair ladies go?
	Well, there's one left, and then she's in the bathroom.
	Wait, you're in a wheelchair too?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I forgot.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	Jay, you also disagree with that.
	And then Laura, you also disagree with that.
	So for those of you who are here at the table, Rachel and Jay and Laura.
	I don't think for me, it necessarily even has to do with it being body count.
	I think it's the double standard that's unacceptable.
	Like a man who has a super high body count wanting a low body count woman.
	I also think it would be wrong if it was a high body count woman wanting a low body count man.
	Sure.
	So I think that's my issue.
	I'm going to respond first before I let these others give their take.
	Don't you have a double standard of your own?
	I'm sure somewhere I do.
	What do you mean?
	You've already disclosed it on the show.
	You're in a wheelchair.
	You would not date somebody who's in a wheelchair.
	Is this not a double standard?
	I think it has to do more with like practicality.
	There's nothing practical about there's plenty practical about not wanting to, despite your own high body count, not wanting to date a woman who has a high body count.
	What?
	What?
	Well, I mean, I don't know if this would be considered practical, but like the more sexual partners you've had, the greater risk you have in STD.
	So I think it's pretty practical to not want to date a woman who has herpes, for example.
	Like that's pretty practical.
	What about the guy?
	Like he also has a high body count.
	Yeah.
	Well, well, let's assume he has a high body count, but he didn't.
	He rolled the dice with his dick, but he was lucky, didn't get herpes.
	I feel like a low body count woman could also have herpes.
	Sure, but do you think it's more likely for a high body count woman to have an STD?
	Sure.
	All right.
	I mean, it's just this is based in fact and science.
	The more sexual partners you have, it doesn't.
	Look, you could sleep with 100 people and not get anything, but like the chance is way higher, way higher.
	Let's look at that.
	So he's just going to invade the really basic factor here, which is the revolting factor.
	So the idea that a person is revolted or has revulsion towards another person, you're not going to be with them.
	Right?
	We'll stop the show for you.
	Wait, did something?
	No, she said that Luna said that the STDs are just going to invade the plague.
	Yeah, he's all dirty and he just wants to invade her cleanliness.
	That's gross.
	Like if a guy has like high body count, you just want like.
	But what if you have something and you're trying to.
	Yeah, but it's illegal.
	If they get you something and they know they had it, it's illegal.
	That's not illegal.
	Yeah, you can sue them.
	Yeah, you can.
	You usually lose, right?
	And not if they know about it, they didn't mention it to you.
	The burden of proof is on you, right?
	To demonstrate it was never mentioned.
	So it's very difficult to prove something like that, which would be a good practical reason not to be with somebody who had a high body count, I suppose.
	Which would make kind of the point both ways.
	But diving into this, I'm just looking at it from the idea of being revolted or not revolted.
	I don't think that you can help who you're revolted by or activities you're revolted by, right?
	You just can't really help it.
	So even if you were a person who yourself had a proclivity towards having sex with a lot of people, you could still have the preference of wanting to be with a person who didn't because you found it revolting.
	I don't know why that would necessarily be problematic.
	Would that be considered a fetish?
	No, not a fetish.
	You could have reasons outside of a fetish for wanting that.
	One is just attract, you just find people more attractive than with less people because you're just less revolted by it.
	Well, I don't know that's a fetish.
	From my experience, sorry.
	Okay, let's hear it.
	From my experience, guys don't like it when you don't have experience.
	Wait, what?
	Hold on.
	What?
	Yeah.
	No, no, no, no.
	What?
	You don't know how to suck a dick?
	You don't know how to give a hand job?
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Wait, but you just said from your experience, how much experience do you have in this?
	Not a lot.
	So of the experiences you do have, the men were like, you suck at.
	No, no, no.
	They were, I text, you know, and on Hinge or on Fumble, and they're like, well, like, on the second date, would you at least give me a blowjob?
	And I'm just like, I don't know, like, maybe, but I don't know if I'm good at giving blowjobs.
	And they're like, how do you not know if you're good at sucking dick?
	And I'm just like, well, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Sorry, I apologize if I was too explicit, Brian.
	But I'm just telling you, I can show you text messages.
	That's not the issue.
	She wants to show you right now.
	If you had sucked, if you had a guy who you're with, autistic women give the best blowjobs.
	I mean, this is obviously the case.
	That's a compliment.
	What the fuck?
	All right.
	So, okay, going back to you.
	You mentioned the double still.
	What is it?
	Did I say something?
	You know, you said something.
	What did I say?
	That was just so weird and out of pocket to say.
	I gave it to you.
	It was the back of something that I was doing.
	I was out right now.
	No, like, you know how, like, with autism, right?
	There's hyper-focused.
	That's what you're saying.
	Yeah, like without their special interest in the world.
	And they hyper-focus in on like, and they become really good at like painting, or like if they're an athlete, they're really good at being that.
	And there's like autistic Asperger women.
	There's Asperger women who hyper-focus in on just sucking dick.
	And let me tell you one thing.
	You know, you know, I've fucked an autistic woman before.
	That's good.
	But I'm not proud of you.
	I've had sexual intercourse with another woman.
	A lot of men refuse to have sex.
	You know she's a good mic.
	Come on now.
	A lot of men refuse to have sex with it.
	With what?
	With you?
	With, yes, because they say, oh, I don't want to take advantage of you because they think you're autistic.
	Yeah.
	I don't want to take advantage of you.
	And I'm like, no, you're not taking advantage of me.
	And they're like, but you're doing them a favor.
	Just kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	It's like charity.
	I've went on a date with a guy and he literally was like, so you're a little slow?
	And I'm like, yes, I'm a little slow.
	I'm not ashamed of it.
	And he's like, oh, I don't want to take advantage of you.
	That's kind of like so.
	Men, menu.
	How they can't run away.
	Oh, Andrew, what the hell is his internet all fucked?
	Okay, we're getting him back.
	I think his internet.
	Everything goes over him.
	No, there's something like, I think there's kind of like, as long as it's legal, you know?
	Like, because there's a threshold where it's like, if they're.
	It's like wrong.
	It's wrong.
	Not someone that has Down syndrome, obviously.
	Or someone that's low functioning.
	They do it the best.
	So that was your best experience.
	Are we still here?
	No, we got you, Andrew.
	We got you.
	But I'm just saying, like, part of my experience.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Should I continue?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Part of my experience, part of my lived experience.
	Tell me.
	Especially with if I do find a black man that's high-functioning, autistic, and he's like high-masking.
	I went on two dates with dudes that were like that.
	They're like high-masking.
	And so they're like, well, how do I know that you're not going to put my nudes online?
	And I'm like, well, if you want me to send you a picture of me naked, I need you to send me a picture of you naked.
	You know, like, I'm not, like, the struggle is real, you know?
	And struggle is real.
	So stem cells do exist.
	Stem cells, right?
	There is a lot of women that have trouble finding a man that they're attracted to to have sex with.
	Go off, Queen.
	Like, these women, they don't want to have sex with men that they're not attracted to.
	Because that gives them, like, bad sex is a form of trauma.
	And they watch TikToks and they want to be all bad at sex.
	So many times.
	And they don't want to do it.
	And I've been traumatized.
	Socially awkward women exist.
	Wait, can you tilt your mic down just a little bit?
	Socially awkward women exist.
	Yes.
	And they're in all different types of races.
	Yes.
	And it's very hard.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm a little tipsy.
	It's very hard.
	Yeah, you've been cracking open those fucking days.
	She's been cracking open.
	She's moving on a plane turn.
	I know.
	I have to go in the plane like five o'clock this morning.
	I just came from the plane over here.
	So you're saying that you think that men would prefer that their women have fucked a bunch of other men before them.
	Well, when I'm texting with them, like it's, it's, it is.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	Without the long, elongated anecdote.
	Thank you.
	Just a simple answer to the question.
	Do you think that a man would prefer that his woman had sucked 10 dicks before his dick?
	A man that's looking for a long-term relationship?
	No, he would not prefer that.
	But some men are looking for short-term and they lie and they say that they're looking for long-term.
	So are we blasting out body counts or what?
	Yeah, well, you go first.
	No, you go first.
	You go first.
	Wait, so hold on.
	I don't even.
	Okay, that was a lot.
	That was a lot, but thank you, Cassie.
	I appreciate it.
	You're welcome.
	I appreciate your honesty and your openness talking about your life experiences.
	Yes.
	But we were, were we on age count?
	No, we were talking about, oh, high body count.
	Yeah, really.
	Yeah.
	I don't think, honestly, even for a one-night stand, I think the dude picks the virgin, assuming she's down to have the one-night stand, picks the virgin over the girl with 100 bodies.
	Even for the one-night stand.
	I'm taking the virgin for them.
	Okay.
	For them.
	Yep.
	Okay, good talk to Cassie.
	I'm glad we had that back and forth there.
	That was good.
	That was good.
	You're the homie, Cassie.
	By the way, you said you only date black guys or like I only date black guys.
	You date African?
	No, he wants to date.
	Wait, what?
	I know you want to know.
	I know you want to know.
	These socially awkward white dudes, they're like, oh, I've never been with a black girl.
	And I'm just like, okay, let's be friends.
	What the fuck?
	Wait, Cassie, question though.
	Is it just black dudes or is it also African Americans?
	So I like Nigerians.
	I like people from Trinidad and Jamaica and Barbados.
	I do have a preference for black people that are not African Americans.
	African Americans is like the fourth on the list.
	Fourth.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Because like I'm technically African American.
	Bro.
	I'm dead.
	No, I'll tell you.
	I'm dead.
	Say, matter of fact.
	Matter of fact, I ain't Nigerian.
	You're playing the Elon Musk card right now.
	He's like, I'm African-American.
	That's exactly it.
	So my dad was born in North Africa and my mom was born in America.
	Technically, I'm African-American.
	I'm not, like, I'm friends with a bunch of white dudes.
	You only date black dudes.
	I thought you date, like, African-Americans.
	I like, I like black, like, I like, so there's a difference.
	I'm white.
	Yeah.
	But I'm African-American.
	We all came from somewhere.
	No, we don't care from somewhere.
	She's my Caucasian right there.
	Wait, I'm friends with all these white.
	You're part white.
	She said, no.
	I don't claim that part of my life.
	You don't claim that?
	What the fuck?
	Yeah, I like being friends with white.
	My brother from another mother.
	Are you Mike?
	Can you be my caucascan?
	Are you just like or Latina?
	Are you Latina?
	She's white.
	I'm Latina.
	Liars.
	I am.
	I know them.
	Barely you're like a white.
	I'm 100% white.
	I'm not mixed with anything.
	Are you my Caucasian?
	Yeah, I'm 100% white.
	One mic at a time.
	Okay, so really quick, though, you mentioned the double standard.
	I mean.
	I'm sure at some point it just cracks out to preference and, you know, it's a preference that's kind of.
	But it's like, I guess my thinking on this whole thing when it comes to double standards is it like, so in order for you to want to be with someone, you need to be exactly the same.
	Otherwise, it's like, oh, okay.
	It's unfair or it's a double standard?
	I don't think it's unfair.
	It's just that they are not ignoring their own body count, but it's a man with a high body count that wants a woman with a lower body count specifically.
	It's like, are things you desire in a partner, like, do you need to possess the trait that you desire in a partner?
	No, I don't think so.
	Yeah, so I don't think it's wrong.
	Like in this specific example, a man with a high body count, I think it's a fair proposition that it's totally fine for him to prefer to date low body count women or virgins.
	For example, I mean, there's plenty of, when it comes to, I guess, things that I don't think women really care that much about body count, but like things that women want in men that they don't possess.
	Like there's plenty of like broke women who would date a rich man.
	I don't think that's like a double standard or hypocritical.
	What about like if we're looking at status?
	So like I'm sure like a woman who's like never been to the gym once, she would love to date a professional athlete.
	I don't think that that makes her a hypocrite.
	I just think that there are things, traits in men, or well, I suppose there are things that just blanketly make you attractive as a person.
	And like all people, regardless of if they possess that same trait, they're going to be like, okay, well, I'm attracted to this.
	How about like a, you know, I don't know, nobody, a nobody chick who has no status who's attracted to like people also get confused on what a hypocrite is.
	It's not a matter of I listen to, or if you were to say, you know, something like, you know, I listen to rock music, right?
	But you can't listen to rock music, even though I do.
	That would be a form of hypocrisy.
	Yeah, I don't think it's.
	The form thing I'm going to almost go.
	Just real quick, I just want to clarify this that you know.
	The idea of hypocrisy is to be doing something which you yourself would advocate against.
	That would be what a hypocrite would be.
	So you're not advocating that it's not okay for somebody with a high body count to date somebody with a low body count, right?
	So that wouldn't be a, that would be hypocrisy.
	And then, Jay, you had thoughts on this one.
	And any thoughts on the whole on the same one about body counts.
	Acceptable for a high body count man to prefer to date low body count women.
	I mean, yeah, I think it's hypocritical.
	As long as the person's clean, I think, too, they should definitely get an STD test.
	But like, as long as they're clean, and especially if they've never cheated on any of their exes, like, because you don't know people's stories, you know, maybe someone's in their 30s, but maybe they had a hoe phase when they were in college.
	So it's like maybe they have a high body count, but it's all from like 10 years ago.
	But how do I have to do that?
	Yeah, but it's not recent.
	I just got done explaining.
	I don't think she was listening.
	Were you listening?
	Were you listening?
	I literally just got done explaining what hypocrisy means.
	It's okay.
	It can't explain hypocrisy.
	It's not possible.
	No, I was listening, but I'm just saying that's why.
	She still disagrees.
	I'm saying that's why I circled it because.
	Yeah, no, that's fair.
	She was explaining why she circled it.
	Yeah.
	That's fair.
	That's why I circled it.
	I see.
	Yeah, and I think, too, you just got to go with like what it's going on like a case-by-case basis.
	Because like I was saying, you know, maybe someone had a hoe phase in college, but now 10 years later, they've barely been with anyone in the last few years.
	Yeah, moving on topics.
	That's valid.
	Moving on topics.
	Like people can change.
	Nikki, so here's the prompt.
	Here's the prompt.
	A woman's career money status or status does not make her more attractive to men.
	Nikki, you disagreed.
	Let's see, there were a couple other disagrees on that.
	It was Milena, you disagree.
	Jay, you disagree.
	Laura, you disagree.
	Nikki, starting with you, why do you disagree with that?
	It was, wait.
	It's okay.
	Yeah, can you read it like this?
	So, okay, for example, like I would say, and this is related to the prompt, most men, like if you're a really high-earning woman, he's not going to be like more attracted to you.
	I feel like certain ones are, though, because I've met plenty of guys in the club who they all like that we have our money up, and they tell me that they don't want to be with their girls because their girls are like, don't, you know, don't get to the bag the same way, which is like not fairly.
	So I acknowledge that men will even say this.
	And I also think it would be like really suboptimal as a guy to like, if you're on a date with a girl and she's kind of career oriented and she's like successful, I think it'd be a really bad move if you're trying to like either sleep with her or even date her to say like, oh yeah, fuck your career.
	Like, because I'm sure you guys are all going to agree with the following statement.
	Will men lie to get you into?
	They lie all the time.
	I'm more interested in looking at like not so much.
	This is almost, I guess, a criticism of men.
	Not really interested in looking so much at what men say.
	This also applies to women, but what they do.
	So, like, for example, like the guy who says, oh, yeah, I'd do that.
	And I've had, like, I remember I had a male friend who he was like, he was a software engineer, and he's like, oh, because I make this much money, I really want to date a girl who's kind of on my level.
	But being a software engineer, that like removed a lot of women from his dating pool.
	And then like he ended up dating like some dance instructor who's making like 40K a year.
	And so it's like, men say one thing, they'll say it.
	And some men will say it either to because they think it's like the politically correct thing to say and they don't want to be come off as offensive, or you're a career woman and he's either trying to flatter you, well, he's trying to flatter you and he's trying to sleep with you.
	And saying like, oh, your career, fuck that.
	Don't care at all.
	Probably not going to be very like conducive to getting you into bed or into a relationship.
	As a therapist in training, what I will say is that women fall in love with their ears and men fall in love with their eyes.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Good point.
	So like a man, and I've had men tell me this out of confidence, whatever.
	They will say, I will tell a woman whatever I need to in order to fuck.
	And that's what they do because they want to fuck.
	And if a woman sees a man's actions is not aligning with what he says, then she shouldn't give him sex.
	But because she gives him sex, because he's saying what she wants to hear, because she told him what she wanted out of the relationship, then when he gets access to sex, then he's like, okay, this is great.
	And after a few times, then he moves on to the next one after it gets boring because he doesn't really know you as you.
	He knows you as beautiful, what are you, Thai?
	Cambodian.
	Beautiful Thai Cambodian woman.
	You know, so like after that, after he gets bored, he moves on to the next one.
	And it's not his fault.
	It's because he feels like he has to tell you what you want to hear in order to get access to your vagina.
	You know, and like the vaginal canal.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And like vagina hole.
	Straight to be a little bit of a cabinet, if you want.
	I guess.
	Cabinet.
	Just, I'm going to try to blast through these as quick as possible.
	So, yeah, women's career, I think, typically, like, for example, a man who's an attorney, he's probably like, could be a very high earner.
	He's probably going to be like, yeah, I'll date a girl who works at Starbucks.
	If she's hot, I'll date a girl who works at Starbucks.
	If she's hot, I'll date a girl who works at Chick-fil-A.
	I tend to agree with this.
	I'm doing decently myself.
	Don't really care at all about.
	In fact, the more money I started to earn, the less I even care.
	Like, I could see like a guy looking at it pragmatically if he's like, I don't know.
	He's not, he could be thinking like, okay, well, I want to have a family and I know I'm not going to be able to support this family just off of my income.
	So he like, it could become like part of the equation, but it's still going to be like really low on the totem pole.
	I don't think like he's going to ultimately, if some like really hot chick who's maybe not in debt, but like works a, I don't know, minimum wage job, barista, she's probably going to be able that more attractive Chick-fil-A worker is going to be able to out-compete his potential other partners who are higher earners.
	Like, so for shizzle.
	I was just thinking like, she liked it then, whatever.
	I just feel like that status stuff matters.
	Chill, bro.
	Chill, Darkadia.
	I was waiting for a comment to come out your mouth.
	I was waiting for it.
	I feel like the status does matter because like the guy's not going to want to be with a girl who's a bum, who doesn't have a job and all that.
	He doesn't care.
	He doesn't care.
	Well, maybe you don't, but I know a lot of guys, like the guys that come into the club, they literally tell me they don't want to be with like a girl who has no money.
	They will tell you whatever cleaner.
	They're trying to book.
	That's what you actually like Cambodian coochie.
	I feel like every guy I know just says what you want to hear because that's how it is for me.
	Like so many guys tell me that they're not going to want a girl who's homeless and doesn't have any money.
	Like they want a girl who's got a money.
	I don't want a whole lot of people.
	Yeah, but also independent women are more attractive.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	That's what I feel like.
	Independent women.
	Like women that make money.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Independent women.
	Women are more attractive if they're attractive.
	That's why dudes see.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I mean, I don't want her life to be a total shit show mess.
	Yeah.
	But like.
	But like independently.
	Like she's confidently knowing what the fuck she's doing with her life.
	You know, like independent type of, like, would you find that career?
	Career, anything.
	Like, you know, like, she's just, she's on her show.
	She's confident about being not relying on you for everything.
	Yeah.
	But like, yeah, so you would think that was more attractive, right?
	Like, women, yeah, yeah.
	Actually, I'm not.
	Like, are in a grand as my opinion.
	I'm a babysitter.
	Okay.
	You do that like 12 hours a week or something?
	Yeah, like, well, it's like I babysit three different families.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Where was that?
	That's why I put that as my opinion because all of my guy friends, they aren't attracted to a girl if they're not independent and like have a passion.
	And really?
	That's right.
	She creates new passions like every day.
	I mean, I guess they're like the hobbies.
	The hobosexuals who like they're looking.
	Wait, who had that?
	Somebody.
	I'm pretty sure X was a homosexual.
	He was a homosexual.
	He was a homosexual.
	Oh, it's like a broke guy who's like trying to live with a chick.
	And she says, Oh, that's like.
	Oh, so yeah, sex with her, they live with her?
	Yeah, basically.
	Oh.
	Oh.
	I think there's another term for it, but anyways, whatever.
	Like squatting or something.
	Yeah.
	One of my close guy friends is in a long-term relationship and he was telling me the other day, like, I'm not going to marry this person because she's only making this amount of money annually.
	But does he make more than that?
	He's rich as fuck.
	And he still cares.
	Good question.
	Well, I mean, the only thing I could think of is like, he's thinking, okay, well, if I marry her and she's not making any money and if the relationship ends, then like in the event of a divorce.
	She's taking everything.
	But I think that's looking at it.
	I think that has to do with drive from the concept of some reasons.
	What's that?
	I feel like if you look at it from that perspective, you're going into a relationship, like, thinking about.
	If you're going to a relationship thinking about the divorce, then, like.
	Yeah, but I think that has more to, that's not anything to do with attraction.
	It's more like he's trying to like protect his own finances.
	But I don't think he would be like more attractive.
	Like the girl's more attractive because his words was that she's going nowhere in life.
	Well, he's in a relationship with her, so he's obviously like, oh my God.
	But that's kind of fucked up.
	Did you tell her that he's going to dump her?
	No.
	She had told me this like drunk in confidence, so I don't feel like it's my plan.
	He might not even remember telling her.
	I don't want to get involved.
	I would have got involved.
	Something I will say too, I want to add to this is I've spent time around a lot.
	I've spent time around some men who they're either rich already or they're very ambitious.
	And it's like a lot of them, they want someone who kind of also just has that drive.
	An asset, not someone that's going to spend all their money.
	Like they want someone who like a woman who like they know isn't going to depend on them for everything.
	Yeah.
	The other thing too is like when a woman makes more money, it's like he can afford to become hotter because he can afford like nicer clothes, better quality skincare, healthier food.
	And especially when you get older too, like those things become more important for staying hot.
	I agree.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	By the way, to anyone that emails me, I'm not saying your name or information.
	I'm super scared right now because I'm talking about people's business.
	But it's okay.
	You're not saying any names, so you're okay.
	Yeah, yeah, okay.
	Compliance.
	Okay, Cassie.
	Okay, Cassie.
	She's like, oh wait, I HIPAA violated.
	Oh, my God.
	She drank a little too much and did HIPAA violated.
	All right, next one.
	All right.
	Okay, Nikki.
	The statement is: women care more about looks than men do.
	You're 50-50 in terms of disagreeing.
	I didn't even read that one.
	Darkavia, you disagree.
	Darkabia.
	Dark.
	Dark lady.
	Can I call you dark lady?
	Dark labia.
	Whoa.
	Have you seen it?
	No.
	No, sorry.
	Okay, wow.
	Damn.
	It was just a play on words.
	I don't know what it looks like.
	You would never know what it looks like.
	Is it pink?
	Yes.
	Surprisingly.
	All right.
	Inappropriate.
	Dark.
	Can I just call you DJ?
	He said you're hotter than real ones.
	DJ.
	Play that back.
	You can call me dark.
	I feel like that'd be kind of racist.
	That's low-key.
	Not on the podcast.
	You said, I mean, you're pretty light skinned too.
	She's light-skinned.
	Yes.
	Go with your menu.
	Women care more.
	Women care more about looks than men do.
	You disagree.
	And then, Laura, you also disagree.
	Women care more.
	I think y'all care more about looks than men do.
	You know what I mean?
	Y'all care way more about them looks.
	I still think it's 50-50 because I've heard from plenty of men that they definitely care about how a girl looks and all that.
	And then I've definitely heard from us that we care.
	So I really think whether it's body or they're looking for a specific face or whatever, they have their own shit.
	I think it's even.
	Look who's back, fucking Allie.
	Honestly, I think from my past experience from my men.
	Your past experiences from men, like the ones I've dated, not good.
	I know I'm based off personality.
	Yes.
	I know I'm based off personality.
	She's definitely personality.
	I think my only position on this is just like there's, I feel like there's a lot of things that when it comes to looks, women care a decent amount about that are totally out of men's control, but like height.
	Yeah, like, okay, so height, hair, and penis size.
	All three are totally out of the man's control, absent like surgical intervention.
	Yeah.
	And I'm.
	Some guys care about hair too.
	Like a woman.
	As someone who has curly hair, some guys are like, no.
	Just because you got curly hair.
	That's fair.
	Guys care about hair a lot because I have nappy hair and I wore a wig today and I have 11 inches of hair, which is a decent amount of hair for a black girl.
	And my cousin told me to wear a wig.
	Are you wearing?
	Wait, are you wearing a wig?
	Of course I'm wearing a wig.
	You don't see the sleeves.
	You guys have it?
	Of course.
	Yes, you could have it.
	Here, I'll put it on right now.
	You have to, like, I have to put some water and a palm in my hair.
	Oh, you got to like take the glue off?
	Or?
	Yeah.
	You know what you're talking about?
	You have to go with that glue.
	Whoa.
	Another thing I think, too, is for a lot of people, it's like the lifestyle.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Like, I know for me, it's like, you know, I want a guy who goes to the gym, eats healthy, like, dresses nice, has a skincare routine, but it's like, that's lifestyle things.
	Like, he has control over that.
	Yes.
	Like, a guy can control how many days he goes to the gym.
	For me, all of my exes were below average down there, and they were just funny, and they were addicts.
	And I know a lot of guys care about like shapes.
	W addicts in the chat.
	I do care about how women look because when I was 230 pounds, nobody looked at me.
	Do you have a question for you?
	How many addicts have you dated?
	Drug addicts.
	Drug addicts.
	Slept with or dated.
	Dated.
	We'll do dated.
	Let's do slept with.
	Dated would be three.
	Three.
	Slept with.
	I don't even remember some of them.
	And numbers are counting.
	I'd say like between like 10 and like half of them were sober.
	They were sober or you were sober?
	Both.
	When you had the.
	Wait.
	Oh, ex adds all.
	Do you have ever put the P to the V?
	Right?
	I would say 10 total, and like half of them were before I got sober and they weren't sober, and then half we were both sober.
	Three relationships?
	You said three relationships with them?
	Do you like going in?
	Do you have a preference for either like when you were dating current addicts?
	Like, do you have a preference for the drug of choice?
	And then also like their ex-drug of choice, like the ex, the ex-heroin addicts, like yes, but ex-meth, no?
	Or?
	The last four years of dating addicts, so out of the addicts I've dated.
	But did you go for a spit?
	They were sober and then relapsed, but what their drug of choice was before sobriety was like heroin, crack, meth.
	In that order?
	First boyfriend was crack.
	Second one was fentanyl, actually.
	Oh, and third was meth and heroin.
	And the guy I'm seeing right now used to do heroin.
	Okay.
	Cotton mouth thinking about it.
	But he's two years sober.
	So what I've gathered from tonight's panel from YouTube is that one, if you show up to do a photo shoot without a camera, you're like, whoa, Why are we running it back?
	Why are we running it back?
	Yeah, take us both.
	If I'm going down, she's going down with.
	Even if you cheat on her like 17 times.
	And then I also gathered from this panel that if you do a whole shitload of drugs, you're probably also going to get a chick.
	That's what I mean.
	So I think that we have established that basically being a complete and total piece of shit, if you're a man, for me, dating them tried the fact that I was sober and they were sober also, because it's really hard for me to date people that aren't sober.
	Wait, but how about would you date somebody though that is sober but never had a drug problem?
	Or do you prefer to date?
	I would love that, but I think it also, I would prefer my therapist said I should stop dating ex-addicts, but I like it because they get why I'm sober and I hate having to explain to people.
	So I think it's, I like feeling understood.
	Okay, that's fair.
	That is fair.
	Okay, so you want the guy to have the same deep lore?
	We didn't get the number.
	I like deep lore.
	Which number?
	Which number?
	Well, you were at you.
	You put up the little math thing for her.
	What?
	Oh, no, yeah.
	I said, like, 10 and half were probably we were both on drugs and half we were both sober.
	All right.
	Let's see.
	Okay, I'll move it on then.
	We have anything for eight?
	No, no.
	No, okay.
	A lot of you disagreed, though, Allie.
	So statement is dating is easier for women, to which Allie, you disagreed.
	Rachel disagreed.
	DJ agreed.
	Milena agreed.
	Jay, you disagreed.
	Laura, you disagreed.
	Dating easier for dating is easier for who?
	Women?
	Women?
	For women.
	It's hard for everyone.
	It's rough for all of us.
	The one thing I've learned once I've gone stripping is guys will take anything that's pretty and has a pulse.
	So like, for me, I'm like 99% of guys would have sex with me, but there's a very low amount that would date me.
	I mean, there's a lot of that.
	It seems like a lot of addicts are lining up.
	They're lining up.
	Yeah, the addicts, man.
	It's out the door with the addicts.
	But I think for guys, it's a lot harder.
	Like, there's less options, especially with sex.
	I personally find it way too easy to date.
	I have like every guy that I'm with wants to be in this long-term.
	Like, they always want to date.
	And I have that opposite problem.
	And I'm just like, I'm here for fun, bro.
	Yeah, I just think that I honestly think that why it's easier for women to date is because they can get anything.
	Like, they can get any man simply just because they have what they have in between their legs.
	But men, it's harder because women are picky about who they go for.
	And like, because they're so teen on the public eye.
	And like, you know, like, do they make me look good?
	And just like, they're so picky when it comes to men and shit.
	But men, that's why it's harder for men to freaking.
	Yeah.
	Women are picky for what they go for.
	That's why the birth rates are declining.
	No, that's not birth rates are declining.
	I don't know.
	That's part of the reason.
	The birth rates are declining because of the valuation of education over fertile years.
	That's the only reason they're declining.
	But that aside, to the panel, very happy to have met all of you.
	My heart out here at 3 o'clock Eastern time.
	I don't hold any ill will, though we've had some contentiousness in the conversation.
	That is my job here, is to give necessary pushback to your positions.
	And I did enjoy the various conversations.
	I hope you guys all have a great night.
	Yo, Andrew, thank you so much for joining us tonight.
	I do appreciate it.
	Thank you for having us.
	Send us over the crucible.
	Oh, yeah, and we will welcome them with open arms.
	Thank you so much, Andrew.
	Hope you have a little less tonight.
	We had a, for some reason, the stream crashed.
	I don't know why.
	And it automatically started a new stream.
	I've never seen that before.
	That's strange.
	Yeah, your signal gave out to us briefly, so maybe it was just a...
	Did you ever get that Verizon thing I told you about?
	I did.
	I did.
	Yeah.
	I haven't set it up yet, though.
	Oh, get it.
	You got it.
	Yeah, I'll set it up.
	Get it set up.
	It's a lifesaver.
	Anyways.
	All right, guys.
	Have a great night.
	Thank you for doing that.
	Have a good night.
	Have a good night.
	Thanks for having us.
	And we're pretty close to being finished with everything.
	Then we're going to do a roast session and wrap up the show.
	This is kind of similar to this.
	A lot of you disagreed also with men put in more effort than women when it comes to dating.
	I don't think they put enough effort.
	I think I disagree to that.
	Sometimes, depending, because I've letting people know that.
	Well, it could be the case that men don't put in enough effort, but maybe it's not the effort we're looking for.
	I think it's fair to say men put in more effort than women.
	Depends.
	Because in my relationship, I've been putting in my relationship.
	In my relationship, I've put in all the effort.
	I do too.
	Not all of it, but more, for definitely.
	I have to say, like, men put in more effort than women.
	I need to start putting in more than that.
	DJ disagrees with that statement.
	Milena disagrees.
	I don't know, man.
	Y'all.
	You saw my track record.
	You're not surprised that I put more effort.
	Do you?
	I do.
	I am confident that when I'm sober, I'm a really good partner.
	Okay.
	I'm going to, unless, I mean, really, just ultimately, my position is that on that one, it seems to me that certainly during the initial stages, men are putting in like orders of magnitude more effort because there is like not all women, but typically there's going to be an expectation on the guy, like he's got to make the first move.
	And like the first move entails like a lot of individual steps.
	Like, for example, either, let's say, even if it's on a dating app, he's got to send the first message.
	But if it's in person, he's probably going to be the one who has to approach you.
	He's got to kind of carry the conversation.
	And initially, if he is approaching you, he's got to sort of make the overture to like get your number.
	He's got to like follow up with you, text you, et cetera, et cetera.
	Ask for the date, plan the date, pay for the date.
	I paid for every dinner the first six months of my last relationship.
	Bro, just kidding.
	I have no problems approaching the guy first.
	Good.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I have no problem.
	No problem here with that.
	I'm not approaching the guy first.
	I got it.
	Me.
	Let me tell you why.
	Let me tell you why.
	Let me tell you a reason why I always, because I think, I believe that men love women that are more assertive, that will take action.
	Literally.
	They like that.
	I promise you, I could pull any freaking man.
	Yeah.
	Any man.
	They love going up by him first.
	So, but you said you can pull any guy.
	Yeah.
	No, no, no, no, not like that.
	Like, I mean, like, ones I'm like.
	When you do approach, it's always successful, though, right?
	The confidence.
	Like, no, it's not that.
	It's not always successful because sometimes they're not into your title.
	Here, how about this?
	Who faces more rejection romantically in general?
	Men or women?
	Absolutely.
	Okay, so like, yeah, dating harder for you.
	Everything you mentioned earlier, just like there's more men that approach women.
	Of course, they're going to get rejected more.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, I would say even if women, at least when it comes to like sort of how the gender dynamics are currently, yes, more women, or excuse me, more men do approach.
	It's probably 99% differential.
	But I would argue that if even if we were to equalize the rates at which men and women approach, women are going to be like just way more successful.
	Although perhaps you could argue like you would see some changes if you truly equalized it.
	But as a woman, if you do approach in the current status quo, your success rate is going to be really high compared to because of the gap, right?
	Yeah, like really high.
	And then also I would add on top of that, even if the guy has like a girlfriend or he's not interested, he's likely to take this as super flattering and he's going to probably respectfully let you down.
	Whereas like women can respectfully like let down men, but they're much more likely to get like creepy guy factor up creep and they're going to like, I don't know.
	Then they start cussing you out saying you're not hot.
	I don't even like you.
	You're not hot.
	I don't even like you anyways.
	Yeah, I mean, retaliation.
	But wait, I'm trying to think what that was with the men put in more effort.
	But at all these points, and even like, so I think I left off at they have to ask for the first date, plan for the first date.
	When they're on the date, I feel like men have to lead there.
	Well, it's not that I feel I know.
	Men have to lead there.
	And then from there, if we want to move things forward, we have to kind of initiate from there.
	Want to come back to my place at my place, go for the first kiss, move things forward from there sexually, move things forward physically.
	And then if there's second, if that doesn't happen that night, there's going to be second, third, fourth, fifth date where like you have to basically repeat some of those steps until that's because men are the gatekeepers of relationships and women are the gatekeepers of sex.
	You sound drunk too.
	I am drunk.
	Yeah.
	Why they broke who's been drunk?
	Oh my God.
	We don't like people.
	I'm just going to make an edit.
	Sorry.
	I've talked one under the table.
	It's okay.
	It's okay, Cassie.
	I accept your apology.
	No, I accepted.
	You alcoholic.
	You.
	You didn't join the club since.
	I really drink.
	I just drank because I came to California.
	And then moving on to the next one.
	We only have like three more of these.
	DJ, you said it's, here's the prompt.
	Acceptable for a man to refuse to date a woman because she's overweight.
	You disagree.
	Like, yes, like, if he has every right to refuse.
	Oh, okay.
	Never mind then.
	So you agree with the prompt.
	It's a bit of a.
	Some of these are kind of like double negatives.
	Okay.
	So, yeah, because like in my eyes, like they, how do I put it?
	Like.
	It's a perfect.
	Yeah.
	Like it's a very good question.
	Oh, okay.
	Never mind then.
	The next prompt is: it's fine to ask a woman her body count on the first date.
	You disagree, DJ.
	I think you're the only.
	No, Laura also disagrees.
	Wrong to ask a woman her body count on the first date?
	Yes.
	Wouldn't that be like the perfect time to ask it?
	No, because I honestly, we are all grown.
	We are all grown.
	I don't know why.
	Nobody is actually giving a shit about how many people I fuck or how many people they fuck.
	We are all grown.
	Nobody gives a fuck about that.
	If a guy dies, I would rather them leave.
	I'm like, yeah, dude, they're like, you want to know my body count?
	It's me leaving out of the door.
	Like, that's my body count.
	Like, I will not.
	Like, if you ask me about my body count, I'm like, I will look at them dumbfounded because we are grown people.
	Especially the first date.
	That's why I asked you.
	Especially the first date.
	Yeah, like you.
	Go ahead and ask.
	Yeah, because I don't think we have.
	It's like, when you're older, of course, you're going to have more experience.
	Yeah.
	In most cases.
	I think it's okay for them to care, so I'd rather them ask me right away so then I know that they're the type to care and I don't waste my time.
	No, if they care, I'd rather be up front of them.
	Why are we talking about that?
	I would just assume that he just wanted to have sex and I'd leave.
	Let me talk away.
	I said, why are we bringing up the past, though?
	Like, what do you mean?
	Why are we talking about how many people, other people I fucked?
	Aren't you just worried about if I'm going to fuck you?
	We agree with you.
	We're still saying if the guy is the type to care, I would rather find out that he's a piece of shit that cares before he wastes a month of my time.
	I have never ever went on a date and a guy have ever asked my body count.
	Never.
	Good.
	I never have even.
	If I'm dating you, you have every right to know because you don't even have a right to know then.
	But still, if I'm dating you and you ask me, sure.
	I'll tell you.
	I won't lie to you.
	You were saying something like a minute ago.
	You wanted to joke.
	It was the same thing.
	That's what she was saying.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	My past is my past.
	Why are we digging it up?
	Why are we digging up my past?
	Like, it's not really that important.
	Wouldn't you want to know, like, if no, I would not want to know what he's been through.
	What about if he was a cheater?
	Oh, well, you don't care.
	But how about why would I, but why would because if he was a past cheater, it doesn't mean he's a cheater now.
	Like, like, but people do say if she wants a cheater, oh, it's a cheater, but I don't believe that.
	Do you believe in that?
	Do you believe that?
	Brian, have you cheated?
	Have you cheated, Brian?
	So I'll answer your question.
	So calm down.
	Chill up.
	Chill up.
	I think we want a body count and all these details.
	No, look, could somebody have cheated in the past and then could they then move on to future relationships and never cheat?
	Sure, absolutely.
	But like, if somebody has like a pattern of behavior, like it is something to consider.
	And like, I wouldn't be like, I wouldn't fault somebody.
	Like, if they discovered that the person they're going on the first date with, they find out, oh, this person cheated on their last three relationships.
	I don't think it'd be wrong for them to be like, oh, that's your past.
	I'm going to not date you because of your past.
	But like, how would you fan that out?
	Unless you really start digging.
	And why are you digging about something you don't want to know about?
	Yeah, that's actually not the same thing.
	That's literally mentally ignorant.
	But that's mentally self-harm.
	You're just hurting yourself digging that information out.
	Wait, hold on.
	Because how else would you have known that?
	Are you running on the pretense that you would rather a woman have a lower body count?
	Well, I'll come to that in just a sec.
	I do want to respond to your thing, though.
	Wouldn't it be, you're saying, like, protect your mind, right?
	But wouldn't it be like if you found out something about somebody that was like, ooh, okay, because of X, I don't want to date them, that would be like moving more towards wanting to protect your peace of mind or whatever.
	Because like, oh, this is, they're going to cheat on, for example, with the cheating thing.
	Oh, I guess I really liked this person, but now I don't want to date them because they're a cheater.
	Yeah, that sucks.
	But I think it'd be worse to get into a relationship with them, not knowing they're a cheater, and then they cheat on you.
	Yes.
	And then you just got cheated.
	So, but how would you find out they're a cheater?
	Because you care.
	I mean, like, you can't.
	You care too much.
	But it's like you.
	A lot of people aren't honest.
	You literally said, you literally said that you don't like going through your man's phone.
	Why?
	Because I know I'll find something.
	Exactly.
	That's exactly why you don't dig.
	You don't dig unless you want to find something you don't want to fucking do.
	I want the truth.
	I want the truth.
	Even if the truth sucks.
	I am the same freaking way.
	I hate to be like that.
	I want the truth, but I'm not going to hate to be like that.
	But some things you just don't want to find out anymore.
	You had a question for me?
	Yeah.
	Are you saying that you'd rather have a lower body count?
	You mean a woman to have a lower.
	Okay, so then you guys were also talking about how men just want to fuck and that the first thing that they want is to fuck.
	So wouldn't the ratio kind of like for all women be higher?
	Because all of these men want to fuck them.
	So you're, wait, hold on.
	Let me wrap my head around this.
	So you're saying that there's a pool of men that are tainting all the women for each other, right?
	Because like you all want a lower body count, but you all want to fuck a bunch of women.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So you're saying, okay, I see what you're saying.
	You're saying like, okay, men, you're saying men, they want these low body count women, but they're contributing to this very problem by fucking a lot of women.
	For game.
	Literally just to fucking.
	Because it takes two to tango.
	Sure, but like as women, you're the gatekeepers, right?
	So like nothing is compelling you as a woman to sleep with a guy.
	So we all need to say no.
	So like a man would say anything he wants to say to fuck a woman.
	Some men, not all men, but yeah, some men like that.
	But it's your disagree with you that men, some, not all men, some men are contributing.
	Yeah, that's all I mean.
	I'm not saying women aren't the problem.
	I'm not saying anything about that.
	I'm just saying you're admitting you're causing a problem for your own wants and needs.
	That's all.
	Sure.
	All women just need to say no to sex.
	But that's never going to happen.
	It's cut out, not me, but you know, someone else can't do it.
	You're for you.
	You're free.
	You got somebody else to do it.
	You're safe.
	You're safe.
	On the dark side, boo.
	So, and you were gone.
	I'm going to jump back a little bit just because you were gone, but there's one that you disagreed with.
	Acceptable for high body count men to prefer to date low body count virgin women.
	This is kind of tying into this one.
	You disagree with that.
	Can you phrase it in?
	Because the double natives are killing me.
	Sure.
	Acceptable for high body count men.
	So a guy with a high body count to prefer to date low body count virgin women.
	You disagree with this prompt.
	I mean, I think I literally just explained that, that I think it's crap that they want to go and say, well, I want a low body count, but I'm going to rank up a bunch of women's body count because I have a higher one.
	I think it's crap.
	Do I think it's like in the terms of acceptable?
	Do I think they are allowed?
	Men are allowed to do what they want.
	Clearly, they do what they want.
	So, okay, you object to their past conduct and then them then wanting after contributing to the very problem of women with high body counts.
	It's kind of like, well, you contributed to the problem.
	You want a low body count woman, but there's all these high body count women out there because of your very own conduct.
	Correct.
	I suppose that's fair to say insofar as they contributed to it.
	But again, I like, as far, I don't think we disagree, though.
	You said, like, well, yeah, they can, they're allowed to want that.
	They're allowed to want whatever they want, but I think it's a little bullshit.
	Yeah, but can it men are the same exact way?
	Men could totally disagree.
	I literally disagree, though.
	You said, like, they're contributing to the problem that they want.
	I agree that they're contributing to it, but I don't think it's bullshit for them to, despite this, want a woman with a low body count.
	I don't think that's bullshit.
	What would you think it is?
	Give me a word.
	Preference.
	Preference.
	Okay, so girls have preference too.
	Yeah, women have preferences.
	My friend over here is in a wheelchair.
	She doesn't want to date a guy in the wheelchair.
	That's double testing.
	I mean, at least hers was based in practicality of reaching the back burner.
	Yours is just like, I want it so there I get it.
	Well, hold on.
	There's plenty of reasons to prefer to date somebody with a low body count.
	Give me a practical reason.
	Practical.
	Is every person you're going out with?
	You want to know that you're below average?
	Look, okay, STDs.
	You don't want them to know you're body counts.
	Okay, they get a test.
	Yeah, sure.
	But like, this is a consideration to have.
	And the thing is, like, yes, they can get a test, but like a lot of people could lie, right?
	They could lie.
	So the majority of STDs now can either be cured or treated so that they are so ready.
	Right.
	That they are not detectable and can't be passed on.
	Well, then maybe you just take that on the test.
	What if you got the STD on yourself?
	There's herpes.
	There's Hergie's.
	PV.
	These things are, you know, can't get rid of them.
	But you can get a test.
	Exactly.
	You just eliminate that by asking for a test.
	You could, but like, here, how about this?
	Practically speaking, do you think most people who engage in a sexual encounter are getting both partners are getting tested?
	I never said that, but I'm basing it off of your preference.
	But so like in reality, we can talk about like STDs.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	But like, yeah, we can talk about like STD testing, but like practically speaking, living in reality, most people are not getting full panel STD testing.
	No, for sure, I'm saying if you want to find someone with a low body count, due to the fact that you don't want to catch an STD, you may eliminate that issue by just getting testing.
	Yeah, so I can give you some other reasons too why men care about body count.
	So, okay, first off, there's just this.
	I don't know if you'll even find this compelling, but this is, I think, the biggest basis for why men care about this.
	It's just evolutionary.
	It's just biological for men.
	So it comes down to paternity certainty or paternity uncertainty.
	So for example, if a woman is sleeping with multiple men and they're all blasting inside or whatever, or even if there's infidelity, she's cheating.
	If a woman gets pregnant, right?
	And again, I know there's like DNA tests and abortion or birth control or menu.
	Hold on, hold on.
	And force upon it.
	So this is why it's important, though.
	So, and this is, it's like there's an evolutionary disgust response for men when it comes to promiscuing women.
	This is one of the reasons, aside from like STDs and just kind of like the fact that it would be gross to like, I don't know, if some dude just fucked a girl and then you fuck her like right after, there's still like common sense.
	That's just gross on its face.
	But evolutionarily speaking, evolution, yeah, okay, yeah.
	Detail, right?
	Evolutionarily speaking.
	So if a woman is sleeping with 10 men, right?
	Who's on that video?
	Who's the father?
	Okay, so then let's back up to the actual question because you're referring to the fact that you don't want to date women who's actively having sex with other men at the same time as you.
	We're referring to body count.
	Passive count.
	Right, but so that could be proxy for body count.
	And so that's a different conversation, though.
	I mean, we can just A woman who's been celibate for a year and she's previously had, let's say she previously was promiscuous.
	One of the major principles in psychology is past behavior is a major predictor for future behavior.
	So somebody who's promiscuous is probably, and they've actually done studies on that.
	Like cheaters that you just said that cheaters can change, right?
	Yeah, sure.
	Okay, so then can't women.
	Yeah, they can.
	Yes, a cheater can change, but I would still preclude a past cheater in terms of dating.
	Just because somebody can do something doesn't mean I have to accept dating them.
	Okay.
	But in any case, I do want to finish off on the paternity uncertainty thing.
	This is very, this is hardwired in.
	So it's, even if it's just due to body count, a woman who has a promiscuous past, right, again, it could relate and it could be proxy for like a simultaneous degree of promiscuity, right?
	And so for this reason, if a woman is promiscuous, we can't make a determinate, like we can't make a determination when it comes to paternity if she's been sleeping with a bunch of men.
	I still don't think that has anything to do with the body count conversation.
	Absolutely.
	So let's say a woman has a body count, a higher body count than you would like, but she's not currently sleeping with any men and she hasn't for a year.
	Now that's kind of where you started this.
	Now, how do you feel?
	Well, so what I'm trying to explain to you.
	Well, I know, but you're avoiding the question just like you think I was doing.
	Sure, I'll answer the question.
	But you're trying to say, like, oh, but body count, she's not currently, like, if it can be provable that she's not sleeping with anybody, it doesn't matter because in terms of why it's evolutionarily hardwired into men, it doesn't, whether you can intellectualize it away or not is totally irrelevant, right?
	So here's, here's how.
	So if a woman is sleeping with a bunch of men, right?
	You cannot determine paternity in that situation, right?
	Without a paternity.
	What does paternity mean in that sentence?
	Okay, but so DNA, DNA, being able to test for DNA came around in the 1980s.
	That doesn't undo hundreds or tens of thousands of people.
	So you're saying you can't undo hardwiring of men's brains?
	No, it's hardwired.
	Would you call the man promiscuous?
	What do you mean?
	Because he's already had his body count up and now he wants the virgin.
	Well, here's the difference, right?
	So as a woman, here's the difference.
	So if a man, if a man has 10 wives and he sleeps with all of them, you know who the father is in each instance.
	You know who the mother is in each instance.
	If a woman has 10 husbands and she's sleeping with all of them, who's the father?
	So the argument you're saying.
	Why is your hardwired to just have sex to produce a baby?
	But a minute ago, you're referring to the fact that all you have to do is women with zero responsibility.
	Like you don't actually always want to.
	Your argument fails.
	So yeah, why do you think people have sex drives?
	Like what's the evolutionary reason?
	I wasn't referring to what they want.
	No, no, no.
	What's the evolutionary reason?
	Why are you having sex?
	Not in your subconscious, not in your hardwiring.
	Why do you crave sex?
	I'm actually, this is an interesting conversation.
	I think that what occurs, I guess, in your subconscious actually has massive ram, like has massive influence on, like, even if a man has no intention.
	Here, let me explain like this.
	Let's say a 19-year-old frat boy, he just wants to fuck a bunch of bitches, right?
	He doesn't want to get any of them pregnant.
	Why does he want to fuck a bunch of women?
	Because it's in his hardwired procreate.
	Like, why are people?
	Why are people sexually attracted?
	Like, why do people have sex drives?
	Why are people sexually attracted to somebody else?
	It's because of procreation.
	Now, I agree with you that, for example, you want to have sex for fun, for pleasure.
	And you could have no intention of wanting to get her pregnant.
	In fact, that's how a lot of people, most people, when they have sex, probably don't want to get pregnant.
	Want to get them pregnant, right?
	But why do they want to have sex?
	Hardwiring.
	I'm not disagreeing with that, but I'm referring to like why do they want to actually have sex in that moment?
	That's what I was referring to, not the hardwiring, not where it comes back to.
	Because what you're saying is like you're, as men, you're only capable of behaving in a way when you refer back to your hardwiring.
	Yes.
	So you're saying that your behavior is excusable based on hardwiring.
	That's like all those people you were talking about.
	Men's behavior.
	What do you mean, men's behavior?
	Well, let's say fucking a bunch of women, even though they want women to have a low body count, is excusable because that's just because they're hardwiring.
	Why would you have control access to sex?
	If a woman says null, your understanding of my position or your premise is false.
	I'm not in favor of male promiscuity.
	I'm simply stating that if a man does have a high body count, there's nothing actually wrong with him preferring to date a low body count or virgin woman.
	Despite him, I suppose, contributing to a lack of women that he would find more desirable, there's not anything, I don't think it's hypocritical.
	I don't think there's actually anything wrong with it.
	So then women preferring to have like specific things they want in a man.
	But you were saying earlier, like they should broaden their horizons so that they're not single forever.
	So this is the same scenario of like you've lowered your amount of people, your fish in the sea, and that's acceptable.
	But earlier, you were both telling us all that it's kind of baffling to you that women would have high standards for men.
	Yes, he was saying that earlier.
	Yes, he was.
	Yeah, so I Andrew was saying it.
	I believe I said it.
	That's not really.
	He laughed out loud, actually, and made a mockery.
	Right, but that's not really an argument.
	So what would be fair for you to bring that up would be.
	Your face right now?
	Exactly what I mean.
	No matter what, I'm going to lose in his eyes.
	Well, we're in the middle of, we're having a disagreement.
	It's a discussion.
	Unless you want me, I'm not going to just seed the conversation because you want me to.
	You just keep telling me that I'm wrong, so that's what I'm referring to.
	Like you decided that I am wrong.
	So if I'm a promiscuous girl and I want a virgin guy, hold on, hold on.
	Let me address her point.
	So those things were said previously in the conversation, but it's almost a total non-sex.
	Guys, you guys got to be quiet, okay?
	It's a total non-sequitur.
	Total nonsex with her.
	Because they don't equate, they're not the same thing.
	Well, so if, for example, the man with a high body count, his desire to have a low body count woman, he was severely struggling, perhaps even because of his own high body count.
	If he was severely struggling to find or procure a low body count woman or a virgin woman, then we can have a conversation of, well, you're failing to get these women.
	You should then lower your standards.
	But that's, so it's just totally different.
	Yeah.
	It's evident.
	Evolutionary psychology.
	That's what it is.
	No, so we were having a discussion of like her standards were like really high.
	And that it was laughable that women don't lower their standards when they can't find it.
	That's why men need to have a sexy drive so that the stop, My bad, I was in the bathroom.
	Okay, let me have the back and forth.
	So I don't think high body count men have trouble finding low body count women to date.
	I genuinely don't.
	Because high body count men typically, in order for them to have gotten the high body count, they typically have to be attractive in one or more verticals.
	So either good looking, funny, status, rich, good personality, et cetera.
	And women overwhelmingly seem to care not so much.
	Like they're much more forgiving of male promiscuity than the reverse.
	So I don't really find it to be a situation where low body count women or women in general disqualify men on the basis of having a high body count or past promiscuity.
	No, but there would like statistically be much less women, right, available.
	So you're telling me that it's not hard to find them because they're easy to find, which means there's a lot of them, but that wouldn't add up to your other argument.
	No, I don't think, I don't really think necessarily.
	I think there's while there, I suppose in modern day, there's fewer or less low body count women.
	I mean, there's, this is also, I think, defeated insofar.
	Like a man could just continue to date like 20-year-olds, 19-year-olds.
	And like, this is going to just be a way for him to keep searching for low body count women.
	If he's capable of getting them, of course.
	May I ask a question?
	Sure.
	What's the limit for low body count?
	Like, what does that mean?
	Yeah.
	What is low body count?
	Like, is that like five?
	Is it two?
	It depends on age.
	Yeah, but what's your definition?
	Give us examples.
	Like to give you a number?
	I would say over 10 is getting into high body count territory.
	Maybe like medium, medium.
	Definitely over 20.
	I think most men would tend to agree.
	Like over 20, certainly.
	There's no arguments there.
	But it depends on age too.
	Like a woman who's 30, her body count being 10 versus like a woman who's 18, her body count being 10.
	Well, yeah.
	And earlier we were talking about the same thing.
	I even say role act.
	You want it to go towards body count.
	Andrew said that.
	I wouldn't like.
	I mean, I think a woman who's like given like 100 blowjobs, but had sex with two guys, like that's probably different than a woman who's just had any kind of sex with two men, including oral sex.
	So like it would.
	She could have oral herpes.
	Yeah, sure.
	That's true.
	Well, yeah, I guess I'm getting to that.
	But like, so I mean, I mean, giving a bunch of dudes BJs, but not like fucking them, like, that's still within the realm of promiscuity.
	So, like.
	I know someone like that.
	Yeah, so I, I mean, that's a fair point.
	Maybe men need to ask BJ count too.
	Thank you.
	I'm going to say, I'm going to add that to my question.
	Andrew counted it.
	Okay, body count and BJ count, you know?
	Andrew counted it.
	And well, how about this?
	I can't wait for the story times to end up on the internet due to the men asking this on the first date.
	That's going to give me joy.
	Yo, I think it's valid.
	Totally valid.
	Okay, hold on.
	So going around the table, do you guys think, do you think, or well, hold on.
	I'll just skip to, it's already in the prompt.
	The statement is men are not insecure for caring about a woman's body count.
	You disagree, Allie.
	Rachel disagrees.
	Do I disagree too?
	DJ disagrees.
	I forget how this is worth.
	And yeah, that's it.
	So, okay, you think men are insecure for caring about a woman's body count?
	Why is that?
	I don't think that it's like all men who want a lower body count.
	It's due to insecurities, but I think that like statistically in studies I've seen, that is usually the reason in therapy that they uncover that it's an insecurity about wanting to be the one that the woman wants.
	Why would that actually be insecure?
	Isn't that kind of like wholesome and beautiful?
	I mean, I hear you.
	I didn't do the study, so I can't give you exactly where it came from, but I'm just saying, like, I think that.
	Like, don't you want to be special to your partner?
	No, I get what you're saying.
	What they're saying is, like, you're incapable.
	Like, the man is insinuating that he's not special because she's been with more women.
	Because he's not.
	Because she's been with more women.
	Yeah, he's not special, though.
	Like, let me ask you, you date women, right?
	And I don't know if this is different for like people who are bisexual or sorry, not vertical, bisexual or lesbians.
	But like, for example, for you, and you don't care about body count at all.
	Like, if a woman had sexual would it matter if a woman had had sex with a thousand people, not an issue?
	She's clean.
	I mean, I'd be curious.
	I mean, there's lots of questions that follow that.
	Like, I have follow-up questions.
	No, you'd be curious, but she says she's totally clean.
	Like, it wouldn't even present any issue.
	I think that, like, when you get to a grand, I want to know how old she is, and I want to ask questions about the reason why.
	You're 27, she's 30.
	How about that?
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like, I would ask her, like, what the reasoning was.
	If the reasoning was just because you're reckless, then I probably wouldn't want to date you due to recklessness, not because of your body count.
	Yeah, but like sexual recklessness.
	What do you mean?
	Did you say sexual recklessness?
	Sexual recklessness, yeah.
	Yeah, that's a trauma for me.
	So what if they were like a property?
	Yeah, that's true.
	Like if she chose to have sex with a thousand people just to do it, or she was doing it for money, like I have personal preferences that would make me not want to date the person, not because of the number, but because of the reasoning for the number.
	Fair enough.
	Guys, we're going to lower the TTS to $20 if you guys want to get them in.
	We're going to do the row session, then we're going to wrap up.
	I will respond to you, though.
	Going around, well, I mean, how about show of hands?
	Who here thinks body count shouldn't matter?
	Shouldn't matter.
	Show of hands going around the table shouldn't matter.
	To a reasonable degree, right?
	Like what you were saying, like a thousand is to a reasonable number.
	But like, really quick on the thousand example.
	But okay, when I say when I think, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
	When I say when people, when women say that body counts shouldn't change, men think immediately go to their head is, oh, you're worried about your body count.
	Or you don't want to say about your body count.
	And you shared yours, so like.
	I don't think she did.
	Did you not?
	No, he shared his.
	Oh, I thought someone else.
	I thought you did at the beginning.
	I'm sorry.
	No, I didn't.
	But like, if with this woman hypothetical who does have slept with a thousand people before you, wouldn't you feel like a little less special if you knew you were a thousand and one?
	No.
	I feel like you're stepping into the men.
	No.
	Because I'm right now.
	I'm living in the present.
	That's how I know I'm special.
	I'm here.
	Y'all have it.
	That's how I feel too.
	I feel like if he's with me now, that's all I feel.
	That's all that matters.
	That's literally, I'm the president.
	Y'all are all in his past.
	I am not worried about any of y'all.
	Relevancy.
	That is relevancy.
	So I guess once she's back, I'm going to ask a question, but I'm going to let a couple chats come through.
	Guys, TTS is now 20, but these came in a little bit earlier.
	Michael Smith donated $99.99.
	Thanks, Tim.
	CH4, you could be happily married today if you didn't judge men the way you seem to judge yourself.
	CH7 mythomaniac.
	Don't you all want to gender wage gap if you want men to make more than you?
	What do we say?
	He said that you would have been married by now.
	Thank you, Michael Smith.
	You would have been married by now if you didn't look down on yourself like you do.
	Facts.
	Facts.
	I used to be morbidly obese and I did have a low self-worth.
	And now that I lost weight, I'm trying to get better, but it's hard, you know?
	Because I still see myself as being close to 300 pounds.
	You know?
	But I gotta realize that I'm 165.
	You should like land a large, like huge piece of paper and like trace yourself.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I'm a hypocrite.
	I'm a hypocrite because I tell women, you're beautiful just the way you are, and I'm looking in the mirror and I'm looking at my stretch marks and I'm like, ah, I hate my body.
	Yeah, I gotta love it.
	Stretch marks are also, it's also like a trophy.
	Like, you gotta look at those stretch marks, like, like, that's an achievement.
	Like, those are proof that you've done it.
	You made it.
	So, don't look at those stretch marks as a problem.
	It's honestly just everyone has stretch marks, bro.
	I am 100%.
	Yeah, thighs, booze.
	People have them arms.
	Nice.
	I know that I have little.
	Yeah, we're so good people, huh?
	And I'm working on it.
	I gotta work on it.
	I know.
	All right.
	I'm gonna let a couple more chats get through, guys.
	$20 TTS.
	Rocession, Rocessess.
	No vector.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Every woman in the U.S. said that women are being oppressed, yet every single one of them said they personally were not oppressed.
	Would that mean women are still being oppressed?
	Cue for the panel.
	That seems like basic math.
	So no, but we're not interviewing all women.
	Vector, I do appreciate the TTS, man.
	Thank you so much.
	Appreciate it.
	We have Michael Smith.
	Thank you, Michael.
	Michael Smith donated $99.99.
	Make more money, but I hate the gender pay gap.
	I can't find a man, but no one is good enough.
	I want XYZ, but how dare you want ABC?
	Who's the oppressed?
	Nothing but mythomaniacs with victim mindsets.
	Mythomaniacs.
	It's victimized.
	I mean, those are all things that I didn't agree with, so I can't say much.
	I don't think I was here when y'all talked about that because I don't remember that word.
	What does that mean?
	Someone that likes that.
	Because I'm comfortable now.
	Oh, you're comfortable?
	Same.
	Yeah, I just can't take the trolls seriously.
	These are the troll comments.
	I can't take any of y'all serious.
	Michael Smith, is it a troll comment?
	I don't know.
	All right.
	So let's see here.
	Guys, $20 TTS.
	I'm pretty sure it's all set up to go.
	We'll get those coming in here in just a sec.
	I have a question for her once she's back.
	We'll come back to the body count here in just a minute.
	Nikki, so the final prompt.
	Marriage is a bad deal for men.
	You disagree.
	You might be the only one who disagrees on this.
	No, Milena disagreed.
	I disagree.
	I did.
	Yeah.
	Sweet.
	Finally got it right.
	What was the question?
	Marriage is a bad deal for men.
	You disagree.
	You disagree?
	What do you mean by that?
	The divorce laws need to be changed.
	Just terrible.
	Yeah, I don't think men should get married, to be honest.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I just feel like it's even.
	I feel like even for a man that's traditional, why would it be bad if they're signing up on cooking and cleaning and cooking?
	And so I think marriage is fine for like people who are religious, because I mean that's part of their religious values.
	But even if you're a traditional man but you're not religious although some people would argue well, if you're not religious, are you really traditional?
	But that's another conversation you said like oh, the woman cooking cleaning, what was the sucking fucking, I don't know.
	You said something but like all that stuff like pretty much you I do when I date yeah yeah, you can get all that outside of marriage.
	So, so do you believe in like long-term relationships but not married?
	Yeah, I mean, I prefer long-term relationships.
	I prefer relationships.
	I'm not interested in having a bunch of casual sex with women.
	Would you get married yourself?
	No.
	Are you married?
	Sorry, what was your question?
	Is it just that you think there's no point in it?
	I just don't know what I can get out of marriage that I can't get out of a monogamous long-term relationship.
	That makes sense.
	In fact, there's a lot of negatives too.
	Yeah, I kind of agree, honestly.
	Like, just even if you stay with them the entire time and you never get divorced, I mean, it just kind of you have to get the marriage license.
	It's just like to get divorced than it is to get married.
	And then if you get divorced, there's a lot of people.
	When you change your last name, you have to change your passport and your ID.
	It's for some people.
	I think it's more risky for a successful man.
	Yeah, I don't see why a piece of paper has to define that on your end because they could take everything or try.
	Let's say, even though, even if you both make the same amount of money, there's still going to be like some there could be some like disagreements over assets, or even if you make the exact same amount of money, it could be like it could be, I forgot the exact term, like friendly, amicable.
	It could be amicable, and you guys kind of just like, okay, we just want to get divorced.
	We're not going to dispute really anything.
	But even if you do make the same money and it is amicable, you still need like you're going to have to, you're both going to have to pay an attorney, and that's going to cost a lot of money.
	You can technically do it, but it's still money.
	No problem.
	You can go through the court, but it still costs money.
	I'm agreeing with you.
	It's also like you can do it yourself, but it's a complicated procedure.
	So like most legal procedures, there are some things like it's usually better to have an attorney involved.
	I just wanted to hear marriage as a contract.
	I just want a cute wedding, but I guess you could do that without leaving.
	Yeah.
	I'll be your pastor.
	I agree with what you're saying.
	It's kind of pointless.
	Yeah, the marriage laws need to change because if one party benefits out of like what is it called out of divorce?
	Sorry, I'm drunk right now.
	Yeah, out of divorce.
	Breaking the contract.
	There you go.
	Then that's not right.
	I don't think so.
	Like, do you drink on the regular?
	No.
	No.
	When's the last time you're going to be a little bit more like that?
	She said she was only drinking because she was in California.
	She said she's only drinking because she's in California.
	Oh, shit.
	Yeah.
	Going back to the body count thing, going around the table.
	A lot of you said if body count doesn't matter, shouldn't matter, pass doesn't matter.
	What's your body count?
	I'm not telling you what my body count is.
	Thank you.
	That's crazy and suspicious.
	Get after it.
	Who's higher than you make it?
	Body count?
	I honestly don't keep track, but I would say it's probably like 15.
	15?
	Yeah.
	BJ count.
	We're doing rage.
	We're doing BJ count too.
	Because somebody gave me a good idea for that.
	I mean, yeah, that would definitely suck more than I'd fuck.
	So I know how to please my aunt, but I feel like, yeah, I feel like maybe that would be like 20.
	20.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'm a giver.
	Oh.
	It depends on who you would ask because, like, it depends on your definition of sex.
	If I asked your father, zero, technically.
	In his view.
	In his eyes.
	Oh, in his eye.
	Nothing.
	Make sure she's not.
	She's clean.
	Clean, clean.
	I mean, your father.
	Exactly.
	Oh, no, he doesn't.
	He probably wouldn't consider that to be the act.
	So that's what I mean.
	It depends.
	So, how about your own sense of what is the body count?
	We exist.
	Eight?
	Yes.
	My dad walked in all of them.
	All women?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Carl.
	Cass.
	She can go.
	Cass, what about?
	No.
	Come on, Cass.
	Cass, come on.
	You got that little consensual body count.
	Yes, consensual.
	Zero.
	Oh, my God.
	Zero, but BJ count seven.
	Good job.
	Congratulations, bro.
	Good thing you're going to count.
	Wait, zero?
	Body count zero, BJ count seven.
	Okay, all right.
	In case I needed to add a lot of things.
	I didn't know that we were doing BJ count.
	What's your cumulingus count?
	I like that word.
	I would have considered that in the eight because the lines kind of blur in lesbian.
	Blurred lines.
	Yeah.
	When you buy your dick, there's not really complicated.
	Exactly.
	You get to choose your own adventure.
	Okay.
	All right.
	DJ, what's up?
	Body count.
	Mine is 12.
	Okay.
	BJ count?
	12.
	I can't believe we're doing BJ count.
	Everyone I slept with, it always started that way.
	So it's.
	You're a fucking liar.
	You're a fucking liar.
	No, I'm not.
	Milena?
	I don't feel comfortable.
	Milena.
	I honestly don't care.
	Especially because I was blacked out on Xanax for a lot.
	Didn't you just raise your hand and say body count doesn't matter?
	Wait, are we talking about different people or the same person?
	Who didn't raise your hand?
	But she doesn't feel the need to display her at all.
	I don't want different people.
	Yes.
	Also, like, hers is related to trauma and shit.
	So.
	Wait, you're a BJ count.
	No, it's not the number of times you.
	Given a BJ count.
	With different people.
	With different people.
	Yeah.
	Three times.
	Oh, okay.
	All right, cool.
	So, how about do you want to do range?
	Range?
	Give us a range.
	No.
	Give me the satisfaction?
	Absolutely not.
	It's not for my satisfaction.
	It totally is.
	It's not going to be all satisfied.
	Oh, I'm so satisfied.
	No, you'd be satisfied.
	I simply only said it because body counts do not matter.
	You're going to be attracted to me or you're not going to be attracted to me.
	So if you don't attract it to me, without my body count.
	That's sad.
	I'll tell you.
	What about you?
	What about you?
	I don't keep track.
	I know mine's high, but most of it's from many years ago, not recent.
	Which I know some people are going to say, like, oh, that doesn't make a difference.
	I think it makes a difference.
	That is a fair.
	So you lost track?
	Yeah, I've lost.
	I lost track.
	How about an estimate?
	A lot.
	A lot.
	But again, most of it's from years ago.
	And the BJs were people that I was thinking.
	Cass, chill out.
	I'm glad that I heard.
	Cass.
	Please, Cass.
	I love you.
	She's not going to clear her name.
	Should have been there the whole time.
	It all happened.
	Now we're taking.
	She's just been thinking about the BJs.
	Oh my God.
	I got to tell them about all the BJs.
	I got to tell them.
	That's what she's hyper-fixating on.
	She's got Asperger's, remember?
	That's your thing.
	Like, you hyper-focus.
	Hyper-fixing.
	Brian.
	No, because honestly, yes, if you're going to do a job, you have to do it.
	There you go.
	Yeah.
	There you go.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Give it your all.
	You got to give the all.
	She's like, moving on, moving on.
	She's an F you, Brian.
	Over 50?
	I don't think that high.
	Okay.
	How about 40?
	I don't even know.
	Like I said, I don't keep track.
	Like, I've never kept track.
	I keep a list of my phone.
	Yeah, I've never kept track.
	I wish I did.
	You have a list?
	Yeah.
	Do you have someone who's like designated to get rid of that list when you die?
	No.
	You should do that.
	Someone post it.
	If I die, post it.
	Post it.
	What about you?
	Names, addresses.
	I have not kept track, and I do not know.
	More than 10?
	Yes.
	More than 20?
	Probably.
	More than 30?
	No.
	More than 30.
	Probably at least like 30, 35.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	There's a lot of times that I also, as well, I went through addiction in 2022.
	And so that's when I was like crazy.
	Yeah, and that's the thing.
	I think people go through phases too.
	It's like someone who maybe had a had like a hoe phase years ago.
	Like someone who maybe has laughing.
	Yeah, why does your security laugh every time she talks about it?
	I feel like we should get.
	Did you tell us what your body counts is yet?
	Because we're going around.
	Hey, we are going to be talking about it.
	Yeah, next is next.
	Yeah.
	He's going to leave us hanging on.
	We're going around.
	I'm going around.
	Come back.
	Around the question.
	Sorry, excuse me, very rude security guard and producer for cracking up at.
	They're just jokester, okay?
	They're little giggly schoolgirls back there.
	Disregard their laughing.
	What were you saying before they so rudely interrupted you, Damien, and did the double D's back there?
	Yeah, I was saying that I think it's different if someone maybe went through a phase when they were going through something, but it was a long time ago versus if they're still doing it now.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, and the people that are like experienced college and stuff.
	I know what you guys are laughing.
	Although, you guys keep.
	She looks at me like I know, because I, yes, I know what you're laughing at.
	She keeps fighting.
	What?
	Chill out, bro.
	Chill.
	But like, when people are experienced college, I feel like that's when people, like, their body counts go crazy.
	Like, when people experience college.
	College?
	A couple colleges, right?
	No, I've never been to college.
	But I've been to college parties.
	I've seen some of these.
	She's seen some shit.
	I think we're all waiting for your answer.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm gone.
	Wait, so hold on.
	Well, hold on.
	You didn't answer.
	Go ahead, answer.
	I wanted to see if you were willing.
	If you answer, I will.
	Yeah.
	Uh-uh.
	It's reasonable.
	Well, did you answer?
	I want to make it clear that I don't sleep around now that I'm sober.
	Jay.
	Love a girl.
	What is it?
	What is it?
	Give us the number.
	I don't know.
	I don't keep track.
	Just say, just say a random, just say a number.
	One million.
	One million.
	She gave a number.
	You're talking about you said just say a number.
	I'm going to go with a million.
	Okay.
	Damn, girl.
	It's definitely not.
	She's a 10 after all.
	So I mean, like, yeah, right?
	It's yes.
	When you're 10, like, and I'm also the oldest one on here, so I'm agreeing with you.
	I'm the oldest one on here.
	Of course, mine will be the highest, maybe.
	Yeah.
	I'm trying to make a joke.
	Yeah, I'm getting.
	That's how I was like, no.
	So I don't reveal my body count.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	But I will make you.
	I will make you and you a deal.
	If you do reveal your true body count.
	$2 for Darcy.
	I can go just exchange my money at a bank for a bunch of $2 bills, so I will pass politely.
	I'll politely pass.
	Melinda, do you accept?
	You'll pass.
	Do you know how much this is worth?
	Yes.
	Do you guys not know?
	Like, my mom likes those.
	I know those.
	It has the green stamp, not a red one.
	It's not worth shit.
	Two bucks.
	Do you know how much this is?
	Well, yeah, they cost $2.
	The $2 billion in general costs something.
	But the stamps, yes, it means something.
	Ridiculous.
	You could get that for like $60.
	We're going to let some of the $2 bill?
	No, that one.
	Look, whatever the body counts are.
	Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
	That's the real number.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Gonna let some of the roasts come through.
	Roast session, boys.
	$20 TTS.
	I once opened my third eye and saw Humpty Dumpty on a wall, and his face looked like Brian Atlas.
	I tried to tell him he would fall, but it was too late.
	He fell.
	Never opening that crap again.
	Wait, what?
	The Broski donated $20.
	What?
	Brian, you mentioned that one girl who wanted to smash hundreds of dudes in one day was gonna go on the show.
	Yeah.
	What happened to that?
	Remember that girl?
	Uh, she was gonna come on, I think, on that, like, the episode with Bevo's girlfriend, but she flaked.
	There's like two or three different Australian girls who, I think it's a bull.
	I think it's an act.
	I don't actually think maybe they did it, but I think they're just doing it like for clicks.
	Like, it's people just say outlandish shit that's not true, just like for whatever.
	But I don't think she's coming on.
	No.
	Dariel underscore Frank Castle 512 donated $20.
	Chair 1 is a rolling contradiction.
	Thank God she's a rug muncher.
	She shouldn't re-anches to her chair.
	Oh my goodness.
	Chill out.
	Good thing all I do is munch carpet because I shouldn't reproduce.
	This fucked up.
	I don't want to reproduce it.
	It is the roast.
	It's the roast section, you know.
	My DNA is ass.
	I don't need to be making any babies orders.
	I'm good.
	Any babies.
	Here we go.
	Oh, ready for this one, Chair 5.
	Dariel underscore Frank Castle 512 donated $20.
	Chair number five.
	We're still wondering about Mexican men.
	Is it they're like speedy Gonzalez?
	You need a Puerto Rican baby.
	I can be fix you.
	We're forgetting about that.
	We're just gonna like leave it alone.
	It was actually not a treatment.
	Lulu donated $20.
	Uh-oh.
	Chair 1 admitted that her family are grapists, but won't disclose her body count.
	Make it make sense.
	Oh no.
	Just don't even borrow.
	This is not consensual.
	You don't count.
	Raise your right hand if you have tried a knoll.
	Now raise your left hand if you enjoyed it.
	Thank you in advance.
	What is a knoll?
	Oh.
	I did not enjoy it.
	No.
	What is the best?
	Raise the roof.
	Some girls prefer it.
	I don't have our really messed up.
	I enjoy it, but I don't prefer it.
	Only when I'm very drunk.
	This is for you.
	Jack underscore M donated $20.
	Chair number one.
	In all seriousness, most men take offense to being called cis male but won't say it unless pressed, especially closer friends.
	Try to get outside of your close friend zone and ask around.
	I mean, I don't typically go around calling people cis, just to call them cis.
	Deeply hurt.
	Deeply hurt by this.
	We have Daniel here.
	This one's kind of funky, but chill out, Daniel.
	Daniel Nosseri donated $20.
	These chicks are masters at opening the third eye.
	By third eye, I mean men's rainbows whole blasting spunk all over their foreheads.
	What?
	Oh, it changed penis to rainbow.
	Thanks.
	I'm so confused.
	Otis Stritwood donated $20.
	Chair 1, did you roll out of bed with that hair, or did it take tireless seconds to colour?
	Actually, it's a condition.
	It's fake.
	I'm kidding.
	I believe that.
	Nice.
	Oh, okay.
	Here's what we have to do.
	We have to do a segment called Taking Off All Your Makeup.
	Oh, yay.
	Yay!
	I don't mind.
	Ends of the show.
	Literally came here back at the airport.
	I'm going to put it on your shape.
	I have right through that screen, y'all.
	If you can pass some of these around, if you're going to take your makeup off, it's so funny.
	Any makeup?
	I'm not going to buy it.
	We'll go take it off in the bathroom, but I know you have to.
	I'll just get roasted for this now.
	I am allergic to those.
	Unless you want me to do that.
	After this, I'm going to go hang out with some people.
	I can't take off my makeup right now.
	I don't leave the fake lashes on the table.
	I can't.
	No, these are eyelash extensions.
	I can't take them off.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Sure.
	You wear it.
	Yeah, a little bit.
	It's just really mascara.
	Shame.
	I have on Dollar Tree Me.
	Wait, I have contacts on going.
	I got to be careful.
	They're the same.
	You're just like a tiny amount of mascara.
	Just pinch.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	I'll take it back.
	Yeah, I've got some do it.
	All right, boys, they're taking off the makeup.
	Buy it back by popular demands.
	You want me to start seeing my nation?
	Anise, I can see it.
	Do it.
	Oh, it's not her preferred brand.
	She's very picky.
	She's very picky when I'm in the middle.
	I know.
	I don't know when the irony is.
	I just want a foundation.
	All right, Anissa.
	Do you want to do that anymore?
	To makeup white companies, they should smell that.
	Just saying.
	I literally left this morning to come to California.
	Like, I've been on a plane all day, and then I came from the plane here.
	I probably look tired.
	John Veliquette says, like, oh, my friends are here.
	Hold on.
	John Veliquette says, calling you the ho-faze will not be a good justification on the day of judgment.
	It's giving in to the nature we received from Adam.
	Turn to Jesus Christ for remission of sin.
	Be born again.
	The time is almost over.
	I actually just called out to him the other night.
	It's been a while.
	Thank you, John.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, John.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	W's in the chat for John.
	Appreciate it, guys.
	Okay.
	Look, guys, last call on the $20 TTS.
	If you want to get it in, final call, final call if you guys want to get one in.
	Thank you guys for watching.
	Godry.
	I look really nice.
	Oh, we need to do the bow video, and then that's well, that's the list.
	You definitely got to catch up to me in the future.
	Oh, my contacts come off.
	If you want to get that pulled up, or before the bow video pulls up, before your eyes show red.
	Always.
	Really?
	But no, your left eye is like a little bit more.
	Oh, no, no.
	Like, so I can see.
	It like hurts.
	Like, I don't want to wipe my eyes like that.
	Yeah, coconut oil.
	What you're looking for in there.
	I want my mirror because I have to go somewhere after this.
	So I have to take up my foundation.
	Okay, just don't do it.
	It's fine.
	That's okay.
	I'll give you the pass.
	Okay, Cass.
	Thank you.
	I'll give Cass the pass.
	I'm wearing Dollar Tree makeup that I put on the plane.
	So it's probably not even that.
	It's like a shade.
	It's not even my right shade.
	So whatever.
	Oh, my God.
	Who the hell cash?
	Oh, the hell.
	He has.
	Nobody.
	All right, guys.
	Go to twitch.tv, twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a Prime sub and a follow if you have, guys.
	Before the end of the stream, there's a thousand of you on Twitch.
	There's about 5,000 of you still watching on YouTube.
	Guys, we're like 35 away, 35 followers away.
	Get us to 97,500 followers.
	Drop us a follow, guys.
	Also, check if you have a Prime sub available.
	If you link your Amazon Prime account to Twitch, you can support the show for essentially for free.
	Because you already have the Prime.
	Every single month, drop us a Prime sub.
	Check if you have a Prime sub available.
	Quick, free, easy way to support the show every single month.
	Guys, final call on the TTS.
	That's streamlabs.com/slash whatever.
	Streamlabs.com slash whatever.
	Appreciate all the support, guys.
	And then we're going to let these come in.
	Then we'll do the bow video.
	Big Atlas donated $20.
	Thank you, man.
	Peter Pan Hobgoblin looking for SS Chair 1.
	How does it feel to roll or walk about in the livillehood that male privilege affords you feel?
	Oppressed much?
	Literally, like, it like jumbled the words so hard now.
	I have to reread it.
	This voice thing is rough.
	Can you put it up again?
	You want it again?
	I mean, sure, how about it?
	There you go.
	Big Atlas donated $20.
	Peter Panhobgoblin looking for SS Chair 1.
	How does it feel to roll or walk about in the livillehood that male privilege affords you feel?
	Oppressed much?
	Oppressed much?
	Oh, yeah.
	I don't think I ever said anything about being oppressed, but really quick before we get into the rest of them, can I have all of you?
	You're all done with the makeup.
	Can I have.
	Wait, did you?
	No, I'm not.
	No.
	Hey, you got it when I get home.
	Hey, take it off your 10.
	I want to make it a little bit more.
	Yeah, you're a 10.
	You're a 10.
	Take it off.
	I want to use my mirror when I get home.
	Don't notice anything.
	All I'm doing.
	I'll tell you if you miss our face goes under my eyes from not sleeping.
	No, she said when she wakes up every night.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh my gosh, you took it off.
	You look so good.
	Here's what I want you guys to do.
	Those of you who took your makeup off, just like hold it up to the camera so we can see the damage.
	Wait, I don't have a great skin on my husband.
	I don't wear it.
	Hold it up.
	There it is.
	There it is.
	Okay.
	There you go.
	Wow, that's good.
	All right.
	I mean, you left a little bit on, but you know, whatever.
	Is it bad?
	You're beautiful.
	You don't need makeup.
	Is there more on where?
	Did I miss a spot?
	I don't think so.
	No, she has really great skin.
	Yeah.
	Oh, no, I meant like a whatever.
	That's good.
	You're good.
	You're good.
	You're chilling.
	If I didn't have Brian, if I didn't have anywhere to go after this, I would take off my makeup, but I have to go somewhere.
	Hot date?
	Oh, no.
	I'm going to go hang out with this chick that was on this show called Instant Star.
	I hope you have a good time.
	Okay, cool.
	Let's see.
	We have a few chats coming through here.
	Big Sass Energy donated $20.
	Thank you, bro.
	Good to see you next time.
	If the time portal opened above Seattle and time warped the entire populace back to the medieval times, Chair One is the aggregated caricature of the results.
	Whoa, thank you.
	That was like some Shakespeare.
	Yo, big sass energy guys.
	That was Shakespearean.
	Yes.
	Oh, did you say that?
	I want to be roasted.
	Oh, please roast me.
	Exactly.
	I want to get roasted.
	Raise your hand if you want to be roasted.
	I would like to be roasted, please.
	Why not?
	I'd love to be roasted.
	Let's go, boys.
	Okay.
	Yo, W's in the chat for Big Sass.
	We have.
	Oh, this is an interesting one.
	Brian's huge dumpy donated $20.
	Chair 1, final boss flowers.
	Care 2, 340, boy.
	I'll fix it.
	Chair 3, Tamu Emma Watson.
	I'll take it.
	Chair 4, Steve Erdogan.
	Chair 5, Illegal 304.
	Oh, love that.
	Chair 6, ran through thought.
	Care 7, bootleg bitties, Tarzan.
	8 Walmark Zenjin.
	Zendaya!
	It said Zendaya.
	I'm a Walmart Zendaya.
	That's not the first time someone said that in my first one.
	I'll play the first part again.
	Brian's huge dumpy donated $20.
	It meant Chair 1, Final Boss Rainbow.
	Rainbows.
	It meant to.
	It says it gets filtered, but it was lesbian.
	What was my roast?
	I ran through because they won't say the number.
	I think apparently.
	I didn't think that's it.
	Maybe that's kind of a compliment.
	Yeah, but like, what was mine?
	You were right.
	Oh, there's a lot of money.
	You said if we don't say the number, they'll say we're raining.
	Chair 4, trust me.
	It's not only your weight while you're single.
	I'm from NYC and we're tired of the fake eyelashes.
	I don't have fake eyelashes.
	Brian, she's still ugly with all of your makeup.
	Okay.
	Well, I'm ugly, but I'm there for people that I care about.
	And like, I have mad friends, and I don't have like eyelashes.
	My eyelashes are not thick at all.
	Frank, chill, man.
	She wanted to get roasted.
	Someone roasted me.
	No, I love that, though, but I want them to like say something that is actually real.
	Office donated $20.
	Chair 6, you are so freaking hot.
	I would crawl naked across broken glass just to suck the cup.
	So can someone like hook you up with getting another pay pig?
	Because it sounds like you have a chest.
	What is the cloth?
	That's insane.
	You're really close to my body.
	I love that.
	Next time, if I come on in, I will not wear a wig.
	And I won't wear makeup either.
	Thank you, Cassie.
	Yeah, you're welcome.
	You can Google pictures of me without a wig and makeup.
	I will do that.
	I will do that.
	I'm going to go to the bathroom when I'm touching myself.
	Oh, no!
	Brian, you're one of the dudes that I would consider a friend.
	Like, I like hanging out with dudes that tell me that they fuck other girls.
	I'm like, okay, how do you fuck her?
	Condom or no condom.
	Yeah, that would be bad.
	Oh, I'm so sad.
	He's going to cry tonight.
	I'm not going to cry.
	13323 donated $20.
	Why does chair one look like Napoleon Dynamite just went through a bad breakup?
	Somebody dyed his hair and grew some teeth.
	I'm sorry, but that was actually really fucking good.
	They're funny.
	They're funny.
	I love a good girl.
	Wait, can I ask you guys, how do you feel about wheelchair jokes?
	I love wheelchairs.
	How about it?
	They're fair gambling.
	These are baddies in wheelchairs, so they're not going to get a bad thing.
	Do you have any tricks?
	Can you do any tricks for me?
	We should wheelies.
	Can I see a little spin ray at the table?
	I don't think so.
	Not that room.
	Is there room?
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, camera's going to be a little bit more.
	Careful there, boys.
	Let's go, fucking wheelie.
	Let's go.
	Oh, yeah.
	That was one of the wigs that I was going to put on.
	Wait, let me see.
	Oh my gosh.
	She has another one?
	You have another one?
	Yeah, I have a few because I didn't know what she wanted to do my hair.
	My hair's braided on you.
	You're going to do more tricks?
	Oh, were you going to be sin?
	Not her.
	They can kind of see.
	What are you going to do?
	What do you mean, what am I doing?
	I'm going to do it.
	Oh, you're just going to.
	Yeah, she's doing it right now.
	Let me see if we can.
	Like, how do you balance?
	Oh, wow.
	I'm going to be scared.
	It needs a lot of balance.
	It is.
	I have a question.
	I actually, the only viral video I have ever had is me eating shit out of my chair.
	What happens when you eat shit?
	Do you have me personally?
	Can you just get up?
	Every bone of my body.
	I mean, I still got up and got back in the chair, but yeah.
	Okay.
	Do you have a really strong core?
	Because that looks like it was a total core work.
	Yeah, it's more balancing than it is, core.
	Okay.
	I have no core.
	Yeah, this parent controls.
	Half my core parallel.
	How long did you do it?
	What?
	I was strong as part of my body, but like relative to other people.
	That was a little bit joke.
	Oh, there we go.
	We're all like Good job, good job We're all like, what?
	Proud of you, Desmond.
	I'm proud of you.
	I'm actually changing it to this now.
	Phenomenal.
	Pedro said Flores.
	Yo, Nikki, can I have you read this?
	Because you did such a good job with the Harry Potter book.
	Yeah, I want to first start off by saying, my dad's dead.
	Girls know what they want because dad pays for everything.
	Women, don't forget to be girls.
	You can pay for things now.
	You're not a little girl no more.
	Well, my dad's dead, so I never had him do that.
	I never had a dad.
	I never had a father.
	I had lesbian mothers.
	I want a father.
	Okay, we have this one.
	Can you read this one from Shieldheart?
	Oh, Jesus Christ.
	Me?
	Yeah.
	Brian, B-L-B-L-M, and Big Clito for oral.
	Two ladies, would you prefer to be virgin for a man you admire and want to marry?
	Three, giving women oral is masculine.
	It's not about a man emotionally inadating sex.
	Men masturbate.
	Free self-control.
	That's nice.
	Those are a lot of fun.
	I don't know.
	How much self-control do they have?
	What?
	Because I don't know how much self-control they have.
	I don't know what you said, but thank you for whatever it was.
	Oh, I think that's what it was.
	There's a question, though.
	They said, ladies, would you prefer to be a virgin for the man you marry?
	Yeah, we'll just do that one.
	Yeah, I wish I were.
	I wish I was.
	I wish I.
	No, actually, I don't care.
	I wish I was.
	Yeah, I don't care either.
	You don't regret any of the.
	I would love if me and the person I married were both virgins.
	Everyone I've studied with, I've known personally, like my growing up, or I've went to school with them for a long time.
	Like, I have never actually had an actual hookup.
	Like, I've never hooked up with someone off Tinder or Hinge.
	I've never, no, I've never done that.
	Everyone I hooked up with is purely someone I've known for a while.
	But you don't regret them?
	No.
	That makes sense.
	Morse donated $20.
	Thank you, man.
	Women shouldn't wear makeup.
	It scrolls.
	Makes them look like clowns, and it's a lie.
	I absolutely hope the makeup industry fails.
	Hater.
	It'll never fail.
	He sounds like my ex.
	I'm getting better.
	W's and chaff for B-Moors.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	We have this one, it is a little okay.
	Fuck it, whatever.
	Thomas Common donated $19.99.
	PixieQueer were normal, not tainted like her rainbow cult work labels.
	Siss is made up fake asp and disgusting leavers alone.
	Go pay for more therapy.
	End it all.
	Hey, I used government money for my therapy.
	I didn't understand that.
	What was that?
	Okay, there you go.
	There you go.
	Therapy in this.
	Magic Mike donated $20.
	Brian, get your fat butterfly in the gym, you stupid fat love.
	Oh, fat ass.
	Bro, he's not even fat.
	I can be your savior.
	His belly doesn't hang over his dick.
	You can fix it.
	I prefer a man I can fix, actually.
	Oh, wow.
	Fat.
	I always thought that fat is when your belly is.
	I gotta lose some weight, man.
	Do you just get roasted?
	I don't think.
	What did it change it to?
	I can fix it.
	Get your fat rainbow, I think it said, but it was ass.
	Is rainbow just like that?
	Let me see what it does.
	Magic Mike.
	Brian, get your fat butterfly in the gym, you stupid fat butterfly.
	I can be your savior.
	God is my savior.
	Oh, the bow video?
	I really mean that.
	Let's do that.
	Okay, guys, this is.
	I took this like a year ago.
	This is my ex-girlfriend, and this is what I expect.
	Let's see your type.
	This is what I expect in a relationship.
	Go ahead and play it.
	Boom!
	Huge bow.
	Did you see the bow?
	She's got a bow.
	She's Japanese, isn't she?
	Wait, that's really your ex-girlfriend?
	That is my ex-girlfriend, yeah.
	From Okasawa, something like that.
	Something like that.
	Was this taken while you were together?
	Yeah, it was like after a date podcast.
	It was like coming home super late.
	She had my dinner ready, like cracked up.
	She is so freaking cute.
	She's adorable.
	What did you do?
	Yeah, what did you do?
	What did I do?
	I broke up with her.
	Why?
	Oh, why?
	Yeah.
	She's so lady.
	I just couldn't.
	Oh, everything you want and more.
	She's Asian.
	Is that really why?
	Boom, huge bow.
	Look at that technique.
	Amazing.
	You told her to do that, huh?
	No, they do that.
	They do that.
	But not their significant other.
	I know.
	I know.
	They don't.
	I think she has to bow.
	How long were you guys together?
	Like 69 weeks.
	So like a year and a half.
	Did she speak English?
	No.
	You could tell.
	Which I liked, so we didn't have to tell you.
	That's the best type of relationship, honestly.
	So good.
	Like, I could just chill.
	He's like, I just fuck and we just don't talk about it.
	She's like, crying to you, and you're like, not understanding.
	No, it's good.
	She would try to put it.
	She would try to put shit in the translator, but I'd be like, maybe I'll need that.
	No, I don't care.
	Let's just watch TV.
	It's all good.
	Just watch my TV and stuff.
	I did that a little bit.
	So going around the table, would you bow for your boyfriend or your partner?
	Bow?
	Yeah, I just do that anyway.
	Like when I think bow, I'm too submissive.
	I don't know if this is an appropriate question.
	Can you bow?
	She just did it.
	Well, you can get out of the chair, I guess, right?
	But you're sitting there.
	I was just your genuine confusion.
	I'm like, fuck, maybe I should back out of this question.
	Yeah, well, I don't know.
	Am I capable of bowing?
	People in wheelchairs can bow.
	Yeah.
	I'm so excited.
	It's like you're already sitting.
	You don't get much lower.
	Like, it just looks like you're looking for something on the ground.
	You know those pendulum birds that just like dip into water?
	Yeah.
	Do you understand?
	That's like literally all I can see when you're in the middle.
	Would you bow for your boyfriend?
	Yeah, I do it naturally.
	I bow when I think people.
	Dope.
	It's just nonsense.
	What about, would you hit a bow?
	I feel like.
	For a girl.
	Probably not.
	Would you bow for Leonardo DiCaprio?
	100%.
	Titanic.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Johnny Dev.
	Autistic billionaire black guy.
	Yeah, I identify as submissive, so if he wants that, I would do it.
	Would you bow for a...
	No, I'm too dominant.
	Have you ever pegged a guy?
	I want to.
	Who's down?
	Open up the apps.
	Open up, boy.
	I only want to do it because I've never done it, and I like to experience new things.
	I think you should open a Tinder for.
	Just looking for men to peg.
	Yeah, and you just like fully, you're just fully clothed.
	I'm very submissive, so if it was like in the bedroom, sure.
	No, it was like he's walking home and you're greeting him.
	As a joke, but no.
	Serious.
	No.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Probably not.
	Okay.
	Nothing wrong with it.
	Just not my thing.
	Not in my culture.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Not in my culture.
	Would you?
	I mean, on the initial.
	I don't know.
	It depends.
	If an Asian man would, yeah.
	I think I'd say if he was the right guy, though, I just have to, like, I'd be selective.
	It wouldn't just be everybody.
	You guys would.
	I would.
	I would like I would if like it was like it was like a king if I If I was with an Asian man and they said that, like, you have to do it.
	I'll ask you.
	Okay, yeah.
	Yeah.
	If it's about their culture.
	Yeah, you like Asian guys.
	I'll do it.
	You'll do it.
	Yeah.
	I guess I would too if it was the guy's culture, but.
	Yeah, I would do it.
	Yeah, I'm white.
	It's definitely not my culture.
	Yeah.
	Would you do it?
	And I'm very white.
	Was I my name?
	Yeah, would you bow?
	No.
	No.
	No, God.
	Unless I am.
	Unless she's a billionaire.
	Yeah.
	If she's a billionaire.
	If she's Taylor.
	She can get you on your knees.
	She could.
	I would need to reciprocate it at some point.
	I watch if you're not.
	She actually just won one.
	She said, I'm a Switch.
	Also, my expectation on the first date.
	That's my expectation on the first date.
	The bow.
	Yeah.
	You gotta go back to Japan, Brian.
	Come on.
	You want to see my bow?
	Yeah, let's see it.
	I gotta see my bow bow.
	Is that your wheelchair bow?
	Yeah.
	No, for real.
	All right, let's see what she's got.
	Like that.
	That was pretty good.
	That was pretty good.
	Asian men hit her up.
	Congrats.
	For real.
	I got you.
	No, stop it.
	All right, we have this.
	You go to 9 donated $20.
	Chair 3.
	That's so nice and wholesome.
	When I see you, I think of Megan Chair now.
	I mean Trainer.
	That's okay.
	Chair 6.
	Up her standards.
	Beautiful and deserves so much better.
	Better dudes will come along.
	That was really sweet.
	I'm working on it in therapy.
	Aww.
	You're doing great.
	That was really sweet.
	Double agent donated $20.
	A lot of sad truckers in empty Walmart parking lots tonight with the street team busy doing the show tonight.
	Brian, we're making America great again.
	The street team here works great around bathrooms.
	Oh, he said that.
	Well, you guys can figure it out.
	Is anybody here down to just for like the memes?
	Like, not actually seriously.
	Just show of hands, like, who here voted for Kamala?
	I don't vote.
	I didn't.
	I don't vote.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I voted for her.
	I think I voted for Kamala.
	I didn't vote anything.
	Cassie?
	I didn't vote.
	I literally didn't get my vote in time.
	I think I would have voted.
	You look like you Trump supporter.
	No, not anyway.
	That's not what I meant.
	That's not what I meant.
	I think statistically, I don't look like it.
	You never know.
	Dude, that's how it looks supposed to come out, but it didn't come out that way, y'all.
	Would this first time anyone's ever told me this?
	Would you put on a Make America Great Again hat?
	I don't.
	Sure.
	Really?
	For the mean.
	For the mean.
	A lot of guys in STEM are Trump supporters.
	Oh, God.
	You should have said no.
	I would never.
	No, I retracted myself.
	I thought it was a hypothetical.
	Legally binding.
	Legally binding.
	I will sue you.
	He got the ball.
	Go for it.
	I would sue the shit out of you if you.
	Oh, my God.
	How about it?
	Wait for that?
	Wait for it on?
	Yeah.
	Based.
	I can't reach you.
	Cassie, you also have to.
	Just because I didn't vote for Kamala?
	Oh, I have a mono in the back.
	It's not going to fit.
	No, she won't.
	She tried she won't.
	She tried to put it on.
	Thanks, guys.
	I didn't vote for Kamala because I was shaking Elon Musk hand.
	You can tell it's a little city.
	I'm good.
	With my belly.
	So she's a Camilla fan.
	I will give you a $2 bill if you put on.
	Sorry.
	Oh, bro.
	Damn.
	Tweak him, bro.
	For real.
	She really hates.
	Pills, bro.
	Oh, no.
	Sorry.
	Hey, now you have to put it on because you fucked my shit up, bro.
	What's the pills for?
	The red and the blue.
	It's like a symbolic of the Matrix.
	Oh, okay.
	Here, put green.
	Symbolic of the Matrix.
	Sorry.
	I just disagree with both.
	I will not.
	Oh, so you don't want to wear the call?
	Like, what are those people called?
	Oh, independent.
	Independent.
	Hey, yo, chat.
	If we do a champagne pop right now, she'll put on the hat.
	And I'll give her part of the champagne pop.
	What is the champagne?
	It's $1,000 for sure.
	I'll take the grand and then I'll put the hat.
	I'll give you $50.
	The grand.
	I'll give you $50.
	But I'm not doing it.
	Dude, it's a hat for five seconds.
	You better take that $50, bro.
	No, it's for you.
	I get $950.
	You get $50.
	I get how much?
	You get $50.
	Oh, fuck no.
	Dude, I'm going to wear it for $50.
	I was going to put on the makeup.
	I was going to say, I love Trump on it.
	It's not like the hat even says Trump on it.
	It doesn't even say it.
	Literally, it's like the prisoner's dilemma.
	I would say the same thing to you about a Kamala hat, though.
	I've got a fucking Kamala shirt right there.
	No, put it on.
	I wouldn't wear it.
	Oh, okay.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yeah, I'm saying, yes, you can.
	I feel this way.
	I wear anything.
	Sure, I'll do it.
	I'll split.
	I'll split it.
	You have to put on.
	It's crazy that politicians have.
	I need to add a couple.
	It's crazy was binding, right?
	Hold on.
	I want to hear the additions.
	I'm excited.
	So, if there's a champagne pop, I'll split it 50-50 with you.
	I'll give you $500.
	In fact, I'm taking a loss because there's PayPal fees.
	So it's not.
	You get more than I even get.
	I'll pay you $500 champagne pop.
	Actually, wait, hold on.
	But like.
	I'm like agreed.
	Nah, never mind.
	Never mind, because somebody could troll that shit.
	So, anyways, whatever.
	Vote for Trump?
	Uh, yes, I did vote for Trump.
	Now, yeah, I know mad people that voted for Trump.
	I think he's lesser evil.
	It's just like not.
	I don't think it's us.
	I just don't care.
	I think we shouldn't have a president.
	People can only get president for four more years.
	Literally, no, we should just not have a president.
	Like, we should just like do our own shit.
	But I mean, like, here's really crushed about the abortion issue, and it's not gonna become banned that easily.
	Like, they don't realize.
	But I used to be Democrat.
	I used to be like liberal.
	And then, like, started becoming more moderate.
	And then, like, all the craziness.
	I don't think I changed that much.
	I think just like liberals.
	Like, I voted for Obama.
	Fire twice.
	Respect.
	And then I'm trying to remember.
	I actually, I don't think I wrote in as a joke.
	This is before Kanye went off the deep end.
	For 2020, I think I voted for Kanye before you went all crazy.
	I just voted as a meme vote.
	And then in 2016, I don't think I voted.
	I would vote Kanye no.
	I would vote Kanye.
	That's all about Kanye.
	I feel like I vote Kanye 2025.
	But I mean, then, yo, I'll just say they fucked over Bernie Sanders.
	They did fuck over Bernie Sanders.
	I loved Bernie Sanders.
	I went to his rally.
	Okay, cool.
	He was a little crazy for me.
	I love Bernie Sanders.
	Dariel underscore Frank Castle 512 donated $20.
	Chair 1's trauma must have been with a black guy.
	Reminds me the movie White Chip.
	Once you go black, you're gonna need a wheelchair.
	Hashtag send up the doctor.
	The sisterhood is serious on this panel.
	Oh, that was a thing from that movie.
	I remember that scene in the movie.
	Anyways, Termiatops 4 donated $20.
	I think I'm drunk.
	Chair 5, your depends as is gonna break a military man's heart.
	Care 6, you're a star on prison buddies.
	Care 7, you were awesome till you said tea women are woman.
	Wait, can we watch that?
	Wait, can we watch that one more time?
	I wasn't listening.
	I've never been arrested or gotten a ticket, so you're alive.
	Wait, can you listen to that one more time?
	I didn't listen to my part.
	Sorry at all.
	Please.
	Go ahead.
	Termiatops 4 donated $20.
	Chair 5, your depends as is going to break a military man's heart.
	Care 6, your depends.
	Without any old people, people?
	Yeah, it depends.
	Am I?
	Are you?
	No.
	I mean, does it look like it?
	No, it doesn't.
	I'm going to stand up.
	Do I look like I've been to prison?
	Wait, wait, wait, what did you say?
	Morris donated $20.
	While I have the chance and TTS is on, brain anytime some Asian chick is arguing saying white people aren't alive people because they are colonizers, like there was the other night.
	Remind them of Genghis Khan.
	Oh, that's an interesting question.
	That's an interesting thing to say.
	That's interesting.
	Yo be Morris W's I guess W's in the chat for Be Morris thing for the uh.
	TTS Glafis donated $20.
	Chair six.
	If you like men you can fix.
	We can take turns fixing and breaking each other all day and night.
	Oh no, what did you jib yourself out of tattoos?
	But I would definitely give you one so many times.
	What the fuck yo blood?
	Uh, I gave myself a seven out of ten to answer that question.
	Uh, too many women are.
	A rehab for broken men.
	Donated twenty dollars.
	I hope that the next time Brian patronizes chair four, she jumps across the table and savagely attacks Brian out of pure blind.
	That's just me.
	No, I'm not the type to jump across the table.
	Y'all need a bitch from Brooklyn.
	She's definitely the superior.
	She's definitely the superior.
	Autist.
	Yeah.
	I was not patronizing.
	I was teasing her.
	Maybe a little bit.
	Maybe a little bit.
	Oh, she feels.
	She seems unbothered.
	But that's okay.
	I can't be bothered because I love Johnny.
	I'm Mygdala's fox, so nothing bothers me.
	Brian, is Desiree coming back?
	Love watching.
	I'm here every week.
	Dot, what is it?
	Better watch on your Twitch.
	Change your Discord, not trying to pay Patern.
	Happy holidays.
	Poppy.
	Also, I'm not rude.
	That cis ship kitten moth.
	Yeah, Desiree not coming back.
	She was like threatening legal shit.
	Just being annoying.
	Like, super annoying.
	And then I just blocked her on Instagram.
	I was just getting annoying.
	So, yeah.
	No, I'm going to definitely be back because I feel like this is going to get good views.
	This wasn't about you.
	This wasn't even about you.
	I'm so drunk.
	I'm sorry.
	Better to watch.
	Oh, my God.
	I mean, either one's good.
	Twitch actually has better streaming quality.
	Like, the video quality is better on Twitch.
	There's.
	I don't know.
	Either one's.
	They're both fine, though.
	Wait, how many master Malvoliant donated $20.
	Brian, you want the bone, but if you cannot make her kneel, you are not truly a dominant.
	What is that?
	I don't even know what you're doing.
	Wait, what did it say?
	I don't even know what that means.
	Like, I'm not making the bow.
	You want the bow.
	But you can't make it.
	You are not truly a dominant.
	I don't even know what that means, but like.
	Let me.
	So if I do get the, like, if I do get the bow, what does no, then you're dominant.
	The kneel.
	If you can't get them to kneel, then you're not truly kneeling.
	You want the bow, but if you cannot make her kneel?
	What's the name of the body?
	Like, yeah.
	I don't know if that's what it means.
	Like, if you feel like, no, like, Neil, like.
	Yeah, like, Neil, like, get down on her knees.
	Tally donated $20.69.
	In my experience, high body count equals emotional baggage/slash damage.
	Lots of transference from past relationships.
	Oh, you're just like.
	Mentality.
	W at whatever for being ADA compliant.
	Hey, man.
	Yo, I uh we we did some accommodations here.
	We made it work.
	You know, I'm very this is this was a very diverse panel and we're very yeah.
	So uh thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Was that your seven has the full touch of the tip?
	Deal breaker.
	I mean thousand five hundred and twelve donated twenty dollars.
	Brian, Cardi B Slil Retnitz sisters in chair five and eight most definitely voted for abortions.
	I liked chair five till she stood up and saw she has no at SS.
	She's having a long rainbow's day.
	A long what day?
	Do you want to respond to he said no ass?
	I want to know what the rainbows mean.
	Oh yeah, so I like the Asian look.
	So I'm actually on Ozempic to lose weight and lose my butt and my titties.
	Are you actually on Ozempic?
	Yes.
	I'm on my seventh week.
	So yes, that's why I don't have a flesh.
	I lost your body.
	You're on Ozempic.
	Yes.
	You're fucking with me.
	No, yeah, I know.
	I weigh 125 trying to get to 100.
	So.
	What?
	Why are you on a Zempic?
	Because I want to lose this and this.
	Why?
	Because I don't like it.
	I want to be flat.
	Is she fucking with you?
	No.
	You're not joking.
	I give her her Zempic every Thursday.
	Are you guys roommates or housemates?
	Yeah, yeah.
	She goes with me.
	Oh, all three of you?
	No.
	We just have a podcast together.
	Oh, okay.
	But why are you on Ozempic, lady?
	Because I want to lose my butt and my titty.
	That's fine.
	Oh, my God.
	Chat, what do you think about that, chat?
	Little booties matter.
	Yeah, and that's why I want one.
	And it's your body.
	You're free to weigh whatever you want.
	Yeah, she's trying to.
	I'm trying to gain.
	It's your body.
	You're free to do whatever you want.
	From personal experience, young girls love unconditionally.
	Women don't.
	So whether you've had a father or mother, don't forget to love unconditionally.
	You never know when a prince will get his money and tell his side of life.
	I always love unconditionally.
	I don't think the money matters.
	We all know redundants.
	You know, Aubrey.
	Yo, Pedro, thank you for the super chat.
	W's in the chat for Pedro.
	Thank you so much for the super chat, man.
	And then seven has a full touch of the tism.
	I do.
	You're not wrong.
	Thanks for the $20.
	Yo, Rock.
	Thank you for the super chat.
	W's in the chat for Rock, man.
	Thank you so much, man.
	You're a legend.
	All right, guys, we're going to, if there's any, wait, hold on.
	Girl to the right?
	Don't you mean the left?
	Happy J donated $20.
	Girl to the right of Brian, let me Uber you to OC and put you onto some real game mamas.
	It's on the stairs.
	It's to the right.
	Oh.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Wearing OC.
	All right, yo, thank you guys so much for all those.
	Okay, we're going to wrap up the show.
	If any messages come through, I'll get those in, but we're going to wrap.
	So before I do, though, final call to action.
	You do sex work.
	You used to do sex work.
	Years ago.
	And then you do sex work.
	Oh, you're totally done with sex work?
	I did it for two months, two years ago.
	Okay.
	If someone wants to get me out of it, that'd be great.
	Would you guys be willing?
	I'd like to see if we can use this moment as a cult action.
	Would you consider, both of you, stopping sex work entirely tonight?
	I would stop it for a man that I got with, but I would only do it for somebody that I want to pursue.
	Because otherwise, there's no point.
	Hit the bag.
	Yeah, I would only do it if you could take care of me.
	Okay, I tried.
	So anyways, GG to the panel.
	Last call.
	Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	We couldn't do the show without your guys' patronage.
	Your generosity is very much appreciated.
	W in the chat to everybody who supported the show tonight and previous shows, et cetera, et cetera.
	Like I said, you know, we are fan-funded.
	We're not like doing crazy sponsorships and all that stuff.
	So appreciate all you guys who support the show.
	We will be live again Sunday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM at whatever on Instagram.
	If you can make it to Santa Barbara, we're going to do a Twitch raid.
	Let me see who we're going to raid.
	Oh, we got.
	One sec guys, I'll let, I'll, whoop, I'll get that.
	We're going to get the Twitch raid going.
	Any simp donated $20 Australian dollars.
	Brian and Andrew are the OG.
	Yo, thank you so much for the Australian $20.
	W's in the chat for whatever simp.
	Thank you so much, man.
	I do really appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	We have any final thoughts or any final things from any of the panelists here before we wrap up.
	Thank you for having me on the podcast.
	Thank you for coming.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, thank you for having me.
	It was such a good time.
	Thanks for the cold pizza.
	You are so welcome.
	It was probably the best cold pizza you ever had.
	It actually was really cool.
	It was good.
	Pizza is good cold.
	I like that.
	How about disregarding the cold thing?
	Do you prefer like fresh pizza or do you prefer pizza that's been refrigerated like a day and then microwaved?
	I like the microwaved.
	You put it either in the oven or the air fryer.
	I kind of sometimes feel like pizza can taste better after it's been microwaved.
	I don't know.
	I like thin crunchy fresh pizza.
	Yeah.
	Nice.
	Okay.
	Ampy, we're going to do a raid for Ampi if you can get him pulled up.
	Let's do that over there on Twitch.
	Guys, thank you for watching on Twitch.
	Really appreciate it.
	Ampy.
	Holy shit, he's got a face cam.
	I've never seen him with a fucking face cam.
	This is insane, dude.
	What level is he?
	He's 55.
	Guys, so.
	Is this World of War?
	What is this game?
	55.
	Okay, so this is crazy, guys.
	So Ampi, he's playing hardcore.
	He's not sleeping until he gets to level 60.
	Go sleep.
	He's never had face cam.
	That's wild.
	So Ampy, he's like one.
	Great player, top-tier player.
	And he unfortunately, World of Warcraft, the new realms just launched.
	And they launched hardcore.
	Could you lower it just a little bit?
	They launched hardcore realms.
	And he was going to be world first 60 on hardcore.
	And he was like grinding on his mage.
	He slept like something like just a few hours over the course of, I don't know, a couple days.
	That's crazy.
	And then he died at, I think, at 54, 55.
	He's right back where he was before he died.
	And so what happens is if you die in hardcore, that's it.
	Like, if you die on the character, you can't respawn.
	Like, it's over.
	And he put in, I don't know, I don't know how much time he played.
	Can I be a part of his guild?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	What level is he at right now?
	He's at 55.
	The max level is 60.
	He's speedrunning it, so guys, he is playing hardcore on, I don't know the real name, but he's playing hardcore World of Warcraft, classic, playing an undead mage.
	Go show him some love, guys.
	Go tell him if he, um...
	Huh.
	Should we donate?
	Tell him to, like, die and we'll donate $1,000.
	How much should we do?
	That'd be crazy.
	Yo, chat.
	What should we...
	I don't think.
	He probably wouldn't do it.
	I don't think he would do it for $1,000.
	He's pretty close.
	Just tell him.
	He'll get his dick sucked.
	I don't know, whatever.
	I'm dead.
	I'm just kidding.
	Hey, he has a girlfriend, bro.
	Mitchell do it.
	Yeah, I think he's engaged.
	He just got engaged to his girlfriend.
	Congratulations.
	Congratulations.
	Does gaming make good money?
	Congrats.
	Yes.
	What's that?
	Yes, he does.
	Really good money.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	All right, guys.
	So I'm going to send the raid over here.
	It's going in 10 seconds.
	Dude.
	Look at that.
	AoE farming.
	Cone of cold.
	What's he going to do?
	What's he going to do?
	Let's see.
	I don't even know.
	Arcane Explosion.
	Boom.
	Oh, clear casting.
	Boom.
	Cone of Cold.
	Arcane Explosion.
	Ooh, he's low.
	He's below 50% health.
	Imagine he gets one tapped while we're watching him.
	Oh, my God.
	He disconnected.
	He died.
	It was very when he died the first time.
	Okay.
	Look at all that loot.
	Sweet.
	Okay, guys.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	I'm going to send the raid over right now.
	Hope you guys have a good night.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	All right.
	Boom.
	Sent.
	Okay.
	And then.
	Wait, Brian, are you a nerd?
	Yes.
	Oh, okay.
	We could be definitely friends like that.
	Oh, he probably has notifications turned off.
	Dude.
	I would assume he has notifications.
	Oh, there it is.
	Whatever's rating.
	No, I just play video games.
	Okay, he's doing another pull.
	Yo, leave it a rain, bro.
	He's locked in, boys.
	He's locked in.
	How long does one level usually take?
	So gold as you fall on, but it takes longer.
	He's also like AoE farming as a mage, so that's like pretty quick, but it depends on your class.
	I'm not dying.
	Your knowledge.
	Nobody's dying.
	About how fast he gets to 60.
	Oh, no, we're not going to watch it.
	No, I was wondering how long.
	You said he's not sleeping until level 60.
	Oh, he's probably.
	I want to say it's going to take, it's for him at this point, two hours per level.
	So he's probably going to be playing for another 10 hours.
	Wow.
	Oh, boy.
	I've literally never played a video game.
	Do you know what I'm saying?
	I play with Zachary, which is Asmund Gold on Easy.
	I've never played.
	I've never played a video game.
	We're literally about to have about 10.
	Honestly, you're not going to like it.
	No, there's no other chats.
	Okay, cool.
	All right, guys.
	like the video please on your way out uh let me just see nope that's it everything everything done okay guys oh sevens please follow me on youtube at chocolateautizzy at youtube.com chocolate autizzy that's so cute i love it that is all right guys 07s 07s 07's in the chat.
	Good night, guys.
	We will see you Sunday.

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