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Psycho Troll ASSAULTS Nick?! GETS KICKED OUT! She DISAGREES With EVERYTHING?! | Dating Talk #159

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	With that said, and without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, location, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	Hi, my name is Alyssa.
	I'm from California.
	I'm 18 and I'm a student here at UCSB.
	What are you studying?
	I'm studying psychology right now.
	Psych.
	And you're a freshman then?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name's Missy.
	I'm 36.
	I live in Kingston, Ontario, and I work in healthcare, but people have known me from working in sports in the past.
	All right.
	So Kingston, what?
	It's like two hours east of Province.
	Yeah, Ontario.
	Ontario, okay.
	Yeah, close to Toronto.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Hi, my name's Diana.
	I'm turning 36 Thursday.
	And yep, whoop, whoop.
	I'm a healthcare entrepreneur and been doing that from St. Pete, Florida.
	And you're a RN, is that right?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Blassey.
	I'm from the south side of Chicago, Illinois, and I'm in NEET, not in employment, education, or training.
	Age?
	I'm 22 years old.
	22 south side of chicago is that the uh is that the bad side yeah Yes, that's the bad side.
	Yeah, born and bred there, yeah.
	Okay.
	I've managed to nick a few gunshots.
	You nicked a few gunshots.
	Yeah, like they almost nicked me.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	Did you dodge any?
	Have you fired any gunshots?
	Do you want me to do gun signs?
	I can, but I'd be a little bit scared about when I come back.
	Let me show you this.
	You probably shouldn't throw it.
	You probably shouldn't.
	No, I shouldn't.
	Yeah, you know, just for your own safety, probably.
	Well, whatever.
	So.
	Okay, so, okay.
	You grew up there your whole life?
	My whole life, but I'm on Twitter now.
	And you're on the mean streets of Twitter.
	I'm in the evener streets of the world.
	You move from the south side of Chicago to the mean streets.
	To Twitter, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I sometimes get lumped into right-wing Twitter, although I don't feel that way.
	I don't feel any way at all.
	I just make jokes.
	And yeah, that's really what I've got to say if you've got any other questions.
	No, no, that's it.
	What about you?
	My name's Macy.
	I'm a student at UCSB, and I'm 19, so I live here.
	Where are you from originally?
	The Bay Area, like Sonoma County.
	Okay, up north, NorCal.
	What are you studying at UCSB?
	I'm a film and media studies major, but I'm probably going to double in comms.
	Do you know what you want to do with that?
	You want to be a director, get into Hollywood?
	Well, if I double in comms, that's definitely more like the marketing side.
	I know some girls who like, what's it called, internship at like Universal to do like publicity for movies and whatnot.
	So probably more that aspect of it.
	Okay, got it.
	What about you?
	I'm Natalia.
	I'm originally from San Diego, but I'm a full-time student here at UCSB.
	And I'm 18, 19 on Sunday.
	19 on Sunday.
	And then what are you studying at UCSB?
	I'm a sociology major.
	Soch, okay, there you have it.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Alex with a Y.
	I am 25.
	I have a destination wedding and elopement videography business.
	All right.
	Welcome, welcome.
	Actually, quick question for you on the wedding thing.
	How many weddings would you say you've filmed for Shaw?
	I've probably been a part of somewhere between 70 weddings.
	As far as my own, like this year I have like 22 weddings.
	So I second shoot sometimes for other videographers.
	How long have you been doing that for?
	Full-time.
	This will be my third wedding season, like coming into this.
	Three years.
	Yeah, yeah, three years.
	Do you keep tabs on any of the people you shoot for?
	Like have you ever shot a wedding and then you're like, yeah, they're going to get divorced.
	I've never had that experience?
	No, I've had a really, really great.
	No bridezillas?
	Truly.
	I feel like a lot of times family getting involved and having a say in a lot of stuff is usually where some bumps in the road come from.
	But my couples have been really great.
	I've been fortunate.
	Because we've had, I don't know if you're familiar with Chase, who we've had on the show a couple times.
	Yeah.
	I don't know, a dozen times or so.
	He does or used to do wedding photography, videography.
	And he told me he'd like he could tell, having gone and shot all these weddings, which of the marriages were going to last.
	And he actually was able to predict some divorces.
	I try not to be in that mentality on their wedding day.
	I don't really think about that.
	I'm excited for my couples.
	But my friend did tell me about him.
	I tried to find his photo stuff, but I haven't.
	Yeah.
	Mason.
	My Caucasian.
	Yeah.
	Oh, see if we're awkward.
	I love it.
	Traditional whiteness.
	Yeah, you're my Caucasian.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah.
	So, yeah, my name is Mason Gregoire.
	I'm 28 years old.
	I am a mechanical engineer, but I'm currently switching over into Air Force Special Warfare.
	So I've been going through that process for a while.
	Did you have the mustache last time?
	I don't know.
	I mean, I've always got the top gun.
	You're doing the top gun mustache.
	Yeah.
	It's a classic Air Force.
	It's like a ginger mustache, though.
	Yeah.
	Like, my beard is also really red.
	Wow.
	So it's, I've, it's like a genetic abnormality that's a couple red hairs.
	Slang.
	Okay.
	I have half a soul.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	Okay, cool.
	So, and when are you shipping off?
	Shipping out?
	I don't have ship dates yet because for special warfare, you have to pass this initial fitness test.
	So currently, I pass everything except the run.
	I haven't run in probably six years, so I'm getting back into shape.
	I'm about a minute off the time I need to hit for my mile and a half run.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	And but so you don't, like, they just kind of tell you the day before and then you leave or no, no, no.
	So yeah.
	So they try to keep special warfare candidates in the same flights for basic training and then assessment and selection.
	So I know the next ship date for, I know the guys that I'm going through the training pipeline with.
	Right.
	It's June 25th.
	So I could be out of here June 25th.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Sweet, sweet.
	And okay, that's everybody.
	So going around the table once more, what's your current relationship status?
	So are you single?
	Talking stage, situation ship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex cult, harem, whatever it may be.
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	I'm single right now.
	I've been single for, I would say, a year and a half.
	I think the longest relationship I've been in was like 18 months, something like that.
	18 months.
	So sometime, was that the one that ended 1.5 years ago?
	Yeah, yeah, that one right before I came to school yet.
	Okay, so that was like a high school relationship?
	Yeah, sort of.
	Like sophomore to senior year, kind of?
	Yeah.
	Junior to senior?
	It was more, I was a junior, or I was like sophomore summer, something like that.
	And you went to, did you go to prom?
	Was there prom?
	No, no prom.
	You didn't make it to prom.
	No.
	Oh, you broke up before the senior prom.
	All right, rip.
	Okay.
	And so, but you've been single for you're a freshman at UCSB?
	I've been single since, I think it was October of my senior year.
	Yeah, since then.
	Okay.
	Well, UTSB, number one party school, I mean, you know, are you in a sorority?
	I'm not, no.
	No.
	Okay.
	No dating prospects at all.
	There's a lot of handsome, handsome men at UCSB, right?
	I really don't think anyone here is looking to date, especially first years.
	Like, no one's taking anyone serious.
	Is that what you're looking to do?
	Take someone serious?
	Yeah.
	I'm not focused on that.
	If the situation where I really liked a guy were to come up, I would take him serious.
	But I don't think anyone else.
	Any flings or short term?
	Anything short term?
	Nothing.
	Nothing?
	Okay.
	Not really.
	Should you tell the truth?
	I feel like she's got Riz, so I mean like she does have Riz.
	She does have Riz.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Are you guys, are you guys housemates, roommates?
	Yeah, we're all roommates.
	In the dorms.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Like, so it's a triple?
	No, well, actually, she's our suite mate.
	So we're in the same room and then we share a bathroom with Natalia.
	Okay.
	So it's like four people total, two people in each room.
	Five people.
	I have a roommate.
	They're in a triple and an adult.
	Yeah, we are.
	Triple, double, a guy.
	Yeah, we have two mates.
	Yeah.
	I see.
	Good times.
	All right.
	And I'm trying to think of what else.
	Doesn't go down in the dorm room?
	Dorm room?
	Nothing?
	No dorm room, no romance?
	Got it.
	What about you?
	So I have been single for eight years, and my longest relationship was probably close to two years.
	Yeah.
	Single for eight years.
	Yeah, a long time.
	When you say you've been single for eight years, have you been celibate for I have been so for six in the last six years?
	I've been with two people.
	So, yeah, largely celibate.
	Not intentionally so, but I'm two and a half years sober.
	So I struggled with addiction for a long time.
	So I was not really like a viable option for people to date.
	I kind of took myself out of the game because I knew I was like too much of a mess for a long time to do that.
	And then like through my early recovery, like I'd put on a lot of weight.
	I didn't have a lot of confidence.
	And so I started working out and working on that.
	But I find dating now is, oh my God, it's just gotten so much worse than 10 years.
	So I don't want to waste my time with like some guy.
	You know, I want the guy.
	I don't want to waste my time with someone.
	Okay.
	And we'll definitely get into, you provided quite a bit of pre-show notes, so we'll get into as much of it as we can.
	Congrats on the two-year sobriety.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	What was it?
	Alcohol?
	Alcohol, yeah.
	So, I mean, like a long time ago, I did drugs for a short time, like, because it was what was available.
	But that affected me like really badly.
	And so, you know, alcohol is more socially acceptable.
	So I kind of fell into it just socially.
	And then, yeah, it just snowballed from there.
	Okay, I see.
	So, and you are on a dating app?
	I am on a dating app.
	We will do later on, we will do a review of your dating app profile.
	Thank you for providing that.
	Why did I do that?
	It's a good one, though.
	It's a good, it's good.
	So, and actually, hold on.
	Nobody here has OnlyFans, correct?
	No.
	No.
	And nobody here has ever done, ever done OnlyFans, correct?
	No.
	Any form of S work?
	No, no.
	No.
	Look at that.
	Look at that.
	Making improvements.
	Whatever podcast they only bring on.
	They only promote these degenerate OnlyFans.
	This is your comeback story.
	I don't know.
	I think maybe I was a degenerate first time.
	Well, we can get into that.
	Yeah, I probably was.
	In other ways, in other ways, yeah, more acceptable ways, maybe.
	I don't know.
	Hopefully.
	What about you?
	I've been single for five years.
	I just recently got into a relationship.
	My longest relationship was marriage for 14 years.
	All right.
	But so there's a new relationship.
	You're currently in a relationship.
	How long has that been going on?
	Two months.
	Two months.
	Nice.
	Are you guys boyfriend, girlfriend, or is it kind of more casual?
	I don't, I think as you get older, you don't really mess with the titles as much.
	It's like.
	Are you guys monogamous?
	Yes.
	You've had an overt conversation about that?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	We had those conversations early on, and he was very open about like, I think it's there's a difference between men that are a little bit older and like women sometimes on how they approach dating.
	So in my experience in five years, especially going through the pandemic where like you know dating apps completely exploded, it was like a man will find a woman and be like, okay, I want to just like focus some men.
	I'm not talking about F-boys, right?
	But and women are more of like laissez-faire, like let's just get to know people and not have expectations and stuff.
	Oh, I'm still not like that.
	That's a hot take.
	You're saying women are more so yeah, because we don't want to get hurt emotionally.
	So we try and like stay the distance and kind of have like options.
	That's what I've always been taught by my older mentor, you know, lately.
	Is she a woman or who?
	Your mentor.
	Is she a woman or a man?
	Multiple different women.
	You had multiple female mentors who have instructed you and advised you to entertain multiple options.
	Do I understand that correctly?
	Yeah, when you're on the dating scene, until you actually get serious and you know if everything aligns, just casually getting to know.
	So two months ago, were you doing that prior to meeting this current guy that you're now only doing?
	I was on all the dating apps.
	Well, you're on all the dating apps.
	So how many options three months ago were you entertaining?
	I only had a couple that I was, you know, considering.
	What do you mean when you say considering, what do you mean?
	A couple of good men that were all at the same time, getting to know them, yeah.
	But so, okay, you would be like on the you'd be this guy on the third date, this guy on the fourth date, this guy on the seventh date.
	Like until you become exclusive, yeah, that's like very common.
	Sure.
	And so how many people were you just dating at the same time?
	Well, there's a difference between getting out there, putting yourself out there, and just meeting people.
	Yeah.
	And then there's a difference between consistently dating someone to get to know them.
	So maybe two or three guys.
	That you were consistently seeing.
	For a couple.
	Oh, yeah, for a few weeks.
	Yeah.
	And do they all know about each other?
	And like, well, they were doing that.
	You have open conversation and you tell them, like, I just put myself out there.
	I'm meeting people.
	Like, you're very upfront.
	So I feel like it's like dating.
	Like, I'm going on dates with people.
	Or him and I are dating.
	Yeah.
	That's different.
	It's a verb.
	So you were going on dates with people.
	And the men were cool with it.
	Like, they were just like, that's good.
	You do you.
	And let me know.
	Yeah.
	But I feel like early on, you don't need to.
	Like, when you first meet someone, you don't need to have a conversation with all of that.
	You have to get to know them.
	Okay, well, I'll come in on this and just say that.
	But so, what about what's the most amount of guys that you've you were seeing at one time?
	I don't know because the pandemic was a cluster.
	So if you like, so why don't you clarify the question?
	Like, how many men was I meeting just like back-to-back trying to get to know or consistently dating?
	Because that's a very different posture to have.
	So how about this?
	At the peak of the cluster, fuck.
	How many total men did you go on a first date with in the period of a one-month?
	And I mean, in the beginning, like, there's context.
	There's context there, right?
	Like, I got married at 17.
	I was married for 14 years.
	I have five kids.
	So for me, for me to get out on the dating scene, it's a very intentional thing.
	Dating love.
	Anyways, go ahead.
	So for me to get out on the dating scene, it's like I'm very intentional.
	I'm trying to seek a partner to continue like raising kids with and things like that, right?
	I'm a little confused, though.
	You said you were intentional, but you also said earlier that you don't want the title because you don't want words in your mouth.
	I'm trying to remember precisely what you said.
	You said something along the lines of you wanted to.
	I'll tell you exactly what I said if you'd like to know what I said.
	Okay.
	So what I said was the gentleman and I that are in a relationship don't necessarily need the titles.
	We are exclusive.
	We'd had those conversations.
	We are monogamous.
	There's something you said before that, though, which was along the lines of women should be seeing multiple men.
	Women are kind of like.
	I didn't say they should be.
	I said that's what typically is what happens.
	I don't remember verbatim what you said precisely, but what there was something else that you said that kind of contradicts your statement of you wanting to date intentionally.
	That you kind of wanted to explore your options, basically, because I would say those two aren't that.
	There's also an intention there with exploring options.
	You're getting those people.
	I think what Brian's getting at is you express this interest in being intentional with getting to know this guy because, hey, I got five kids.
	I don't even be screwing around when I have like children at home.
	I want to make sure that you're the guy that can help me raise these kids.
	So there's that.
	And you seem very disciplined and decisive about those things.
	But then there's a very laissez-faire kind of attitude when it came to your like, oh, I don't really want to define, like, early on, I don't really want to define it.
	We don't really let ourselves down.
	I said we didn't have to use titles because we've already had conversations around being monogamous and exclusive.
	But there was something about a generally accepted definition of like, hey, he's my boyfriend.
	Hey, he's my girlfriend.
	Just in the context of this conversation is, hey, we're exclusive.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Like, in the, I guess, area of this definition, we could say you're probably boyfriend and girlfriend.
	I'm not saying like you guys call each other that.
	I'm just saying in the context of refer to well, as soon as you decide to be like monogamous and exclusive, I would say that title or not, that's essentially what you're getting at.
	I don't know.
	All I know is when I, like, I one time was talking to this guy and he was like, if you're even just talking to me, even before the first date, I only want you talking to me, not to any other guy.
	And that's kind of been my experience with men, that they want you to focus on one person at a time.
	So as much as women want to do that, and I totally understand you're like, just getting out there, you want to explore your options.
	In my experience, the men are like, I don't want you if you're talking to a bunch of other guys.
	We'll get into that.
	Yeah, we'll get into that later.
	So going back to my question, though, at the apex of your cluster, fuck, whatever it is.
	In the pandemic.
	How many first dates with different men in the period of one month time?
	I would probably say like 30.
	Sometimes I'd go on coffee dates, sometimes dinner dates, sometimes lunch dates.
	Just depends.
	So like one, almost one date per day.
	If it was there more?
	No, perhaps.
	Did you ever go on two dates in one day?
	Well, yeah, that's what I said.
	Sometimes it's a coffee date, sometimes it's a dinner date, and it also depends on like whether or not I have my kids, right?
	Like that's what I'm saying.
	It's a different posture whenever you're a single parent because you only have this amount of time without kids or you have to pay for child care so you go and you get to know people.
	I feel like that makes a lot of sense to me.
	Like you're just like trying to get it figured out.
	Okay.
	So did you ever go on three dates in one day?
	No.
	So the max was like two dates one day.
	So you would do like, did you ever cut a date short because you had another date coming up?
	No.
	Okay.
	I'm a lot more disciplined than that with my time.
	Okay.
	But you did go essentially on in a one-month period, you went on 30 dates.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Let's not even talk about my five-year singlehood.
	Was it more?
	It's so sad.
	Just like it's there.
	There were a lot of first dates.
	Like, I'm very open about this conversation because you can get to know someone and chat with them on the online dating world and they're charismatic, they're witty, you know, all these different things.
	And then you meet with them in person and the vibe is off and they're super like shut down.
	They're actually like introverts.
	They can't even hold a conversation or their pictures are like 10 years old and they're 30 pounds heavier and they look like they've been through the ringer and I'm just like, I've been authentic.
	So that's where it, you know, that cycle comes in where you're just like meeting people and weeding them out.
	You're like, yeah, that's a no.
	No, no, no.
	You were on the dating apps, you said, correct?
	Yes.
	And you said you were authentic on the dating apps?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Would you, I know you're currently in a thing, but do you still have them on your phone?
	No.
	Oh, you deleted them?
	I was going to say, I know we mentioned it before the show.
	I was going to say we could look at your dating apps and see if that shows you.
	Thank you.
	Well, I'm looking.
	So how did you find the time in a one-month period to go on 30 dates?
	You have five kids.
	I imagine that would keep you fairly preoccupied.
	Well, it just depends on how you do your schedule.
	But yeah, I have like, you know, child care for my kids, or they're gone with their dad, or in the summertime, they were, you know, gone for a week at a time.
	And I was home, you know, I had them for a week at a time.
	I'm an entrepreneur.
	I have a lot of control over my work hours and work schedule.
	Right.
	So everybody goes to lunch during a workday.
	Sometimes I go on a date for my lunch.
	You could be a 30-minute date or something like that.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	A lot of coffee dates for sure.
	Can I ask a question?
	Did the men usually pay for the dates?
	No, I mean, I've gone Dutch a lot.
	I've bought my own food.
	You know, some men will make it a point to be like, no, no, you know, I insist.
	And my cultural background is a lot more like conservative, Eastern European.
	Men will actually even take offense, you know, if you try and pay for it and stuff.
	So I was just like very aware, but I was dating a lot in the Pacific Northwest at the time.
	And there's a lot of like super liberal, like men won't, they're afraid to even open doors for women because they feel like someone's going to like, you know.
	I can open my aunt down.
	Yeah, you know, I'm an independent woman.
	Brian loves roast beef poon donated $200.
	My sprinkler goes like this.
	Okay.
	I mean, it's true.
	First of all, it is unfortunate, you know, BLM, my non-profit, big labia matter.
	I'm doing it for the movement, doing it for the culture.
	Anyways.
	Okay, so I was going to ask, did your husband pay for the first date?
	My excuse me.
	Sorry, not your husband.
	Sorry.
	The guy you're dating right now.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Yeah, he did that.
	Can I ask a question?
	Yeah.
	Dating like around 30 guys in a month.
	How did you get rid of them if you just weren't filling the date?
	Did you ghost straightforward, though?
	No, I don't ghost.
	I typically don't.
	I give good feedback.
	You give feedback?
	Especially if they have a very inauthentic dating app profile.
	I will let them know.
	Oh, yeah.
	I think that's fair.
	Like if someone's, well, I could be called on that too.
	So, so.
	So you would frequently encounter these men who are inauthentic.
	In the beginning.
	And you would tell them to, you know, hey, this is inauthentic of you.
	Well, what are your views on women wearing makeup?
	I think if it's like, that's a really huge thing, actually.
	Like, it's scary to see some women that are like, you know, in their, they look like they're in their 60s or 70s, and then they put makeup on and the shape and whatnot, and then they look like they're in their 30s.
	I feel like if I were a man, I would feel super betrayed.
	And I think makeup is, you know, great for like enhancing natural beauty, but it shouldn't, you shouldn't look like a completely different person when you take it off.
	Sure.
	So that's my opinion.
	Although I would argue, I mean, you say enhancing natural beauty.
	That's sort of like the marketing spin of what I could just describe that as being inauthentic.
	That's not what you actually look like.
	And I would argue if makeup didn't make you look better than you actually look without makeup, you wouldn't wear it.
	For that, like, I mean, I will call myself on it.
	I wear makeup.
	I use filters on my photos.
	It's completely inauthentic, and I know that.
	But I feel like it's hard to live in a society that puts so much pressure on you to look a certain way.
	And if I felt like I could show up as my natural self, like no makeup, whatever, and be appreciated, even at my age as I'm getting older, I would do it in a heartbeat and save myself the money and the trouble.
	I just feel like, unfortunately, you have a lot of people who, if you show up as you are, that's not going to be good enough.
	And you shouldn't care what other people think, but when you're dating, you still care.
	Of course, you care.
	You want to be confident.
	You want to feel good.
	So yeah, it's a lie.
	It's a lie, but it's sometimes you feel like you don't have a choice.
	I think it's this, I mean, it's a very similar conversation to men with beards.
	Have you ever seen those?
	Like side by side?
	Like it's really deceptive to see a guy that has a big beard and then if they get rid of it, they're like totally different.
	Completely different.
	Well, as somebody who has a beard.
	Exactly.
	So I do have to give a bit of pushback on this.
	They're not comparable.
	Now, certainly you can make the argument that a man, for example, and to be good faith and charitable, a man who has a weak chin, for example, he can grow a beard and hide his weak chin.
	However, it's very different.
	For one, makeup's just, it's not natural, right?
	Also, I would argue most makeup typically tends to be applied on the top half of the face, typically.
	That's where the primary, I mean, there's lipstick and shit, but mostly it's the top half of the face.
	I would argue that when it comes to beauty and physical attraction, someone's top half of their face is much, is going to contribute much more to how somebody is going to be attracted to you than the bottom half of your face.
	So you said if a man has a weak chin, what about if a woman has weak eyebrows or bags under her eyes that are just genetic?
	Yeah, like my eyeball, my eyebrows are balding, so I film them.
	You know, or people, people that are oncology patients that they don't have.
	Here, let me ask you a question.
	Right?
	Let me let's talk about hair.
	So I do think it's different because one, makeup is not, it's, it's fake.
	Like it's not like hair, like hair is within the realm of grooming, whereas makeup is something totally different.
	But let me ask you a question.
	If a man was balding, for example, and he was wearing a hat.
	Oh, I've called plenty of those out, too.
	Do you think that's disingenuous?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I don't think that's a good idea.
	Well, if that's disingenuous, then you have to concede that women wearing makeup is disingenuous.
	Too much makeup, yes.
	I agree.
	Any makeup would be disingenuous.
	I disagree.
	I mean, then clothing too.
	Like, we're talking about everything we put externally on our body at this point.
	I think I'm.
	So, we should just walk around naked like Adam and Eve, and then we know the whole package.
	Well, I think we can admit it is disingenuous, but at the same time, we live in a culture and society that really does not accept us as we are.
	And so, at the same time, you can call a woman out and blame the woman for, oh, she's trying to look different than she actually looks.
	You know, we have to call out a culture that puts the pressure on the woman to look a different way.
	So, like, go ahead and blame me for wearing makeup and wearing a push-up bra or whatever else I'm doing.
	But at the same time, like, blame the society that makes me feel like I have to have these things.
	Like, it's I take responsibility and they're not.
	Women have agency, and you can, I mean, yes, there is certainly pressure on women.
	I can actually be prepared to argue there's actually a greater pressure on men when it comes to this, but in a sense, yes, I would agree with that.
	But, but at the same time, I mean, like, yes, I have agency, but if I show up in my natural self, nine times out of ten, the men are not going to pick it.
	And it's unfortunate they can preach all they want about authenticity, but what they actually do in practice is completely opposite.
	Well, sure.
	For example, hold on, let's let me give you an example then.
	Let's say I worked at McDonald's, but it was expedient for me to lie on my dating profile and say I was a doctor, an attorney.
	Women tend to find these professions very attractive.
	And I would argue most women who are perhaps in their late 20s, early 30s, probably wouldn't date a guy who works at McDonald's, even if he's otherwise a great guy or even attractive.
	They wouldn't maybe take him seriously as a long-term prospect.
	Now, it would get me the girl to lie and say that I'm an attorney, I'm a lawyer, I'm a doctor.
	When I'm not, that doesn't mean it's right to do.
	So, your argument that, well, if I did show up, hold on.
	But your argument, though, was, well, if I did show up without makeup, the men would find me less attractive.
	If I was on the dating apps and I didn't use filters and I didn't wear makeup, less men would swipe on me.
	I'd get less dates.
	Well, I can make that same argument about the deceptive practices that men make.
	The same argument with a guy who's balding.
	Yeah, but here's the thing: for me, if I, in order for this bald man to get more likes or more matches, hey, let's throw a cat on him.
	I totally agree.
	So, but all of a sudden.
	I'm going to be understanding and compassionate, and that's the difference.
	Would you prefer to date a guy with a full head of hair?
	I really wouldn't care.
	I want a good man, genuinely.
	I really want a good man.
	I'll tell you, 10 years ago, 10 years ago, yes, I would have cared.
	Yes, that is anecdotal.
	I'm different now.
	So, I mean, that's awesome for you.
	Awesome that you are at a place in your life where you're not going to judge a man for being bald.
	That's great.
	I think more women should be like you.
	Thank you.
	Statistically, just like on average, population average, women will care.
	They will demonize men for putting a hat on if they're bald.
	Like covering up those things that they are insecure about when they're doing the exact same thing, just with different.
	But this is what I'm saying.
	So, instead of like I'd like to say something to that, oh, that's fine.
	So, I mean, instead of trying to demonize men and accost them for, oh, you're hiding your things that you're insecure about, maybe you should sit back, be like, What if I were in his shoes?
	I am in his shoes, actually, because I'm covering stuff up.
	Yeah, and that's how I personally feel at this age, in this place in my life.
	I totally get it.
	Listen, I've got things that make me not as authentic on my dating profile, whatever.
	But I also call myself out on it.
	I frequently will post things that don't have a filter and say this is a filter every time someone compliments it.
	But listen, like, I understand men have the same pressure.
	But what I'm saying is a lot of times on this podcast, you guys want to come at the women for the things that they do and put on that are fake and whatever.
	But the thing is, like, men are doing it to us and we are doing it to them.
	And so, what I'm saying is a 50-50 thing if we could all just cut the bullshit and be our real authentic selves.
	But I don't know that that's going to happen.
	I don't think that's going to happen.
	And that's why, you know, the greatest compromise and the best service that you can do to the public, like, dating scene, is, you know, if you're insecure about hairline or about skin or whatever, post a couple of like your best self when you feel your best, but then post a couple of authentic ones too.
	No filter, no makeup.
	How do I look when I go camping?
	Or how do I look like first thing in the morning?
	Or a gentleman that wants to wear like baseball caps because he hates his balding hair, but at least sneak one in there where you're like, hey, so my hair is not perfect.
	I give a different prescription.
	Like, just don't care about social media.
	What if it's not about social media?
	It's my, I can tell you, all the comments that I've received about my physical appearance that have led me to want to change this or that have been said to me in real life at school, at work, at church, at all the places I've been.
	That's where I've received the most.
	I understand.
	That's your experience.
	Yet again, anecdotally.
	It's a certainty is a big problem.
	Since the inception of social media, all of these negative mental disorders have skyrocketed.
	Anxiety.
	Yes.
	Like how people perceive me.
	All of a sudden, I care about that way more.
	Not saying that it wasn't a factor because we're social animals.
	We care about what people think of us.
	Yes.
	But when you start putting yourself out there on social media, on dating apps, on the internet, all of a sudden that care becomes amplified.
	And yes, I understand it's easier said than done.
	But if you really wanted to fix that problem, that's how you would.
	Well, what I'll say for one thing quickly is that I never had an insecurity about how I looked until I started using filters.
	And now when I see myself in the phone camera, a year ago, I was posting pictures just as I am, no makeup, whatever.
	And then I started using a filter just for fun.
	I never had used them, never used Snapchat.
	And now it's like I see my face without a filter and it's like, holy crap, what the hell is that?
	Instant Botox.
	As you get older, I know you ladies probably don't feel it as much, but 10 years down the line.
	And I swore.
	I was that girl.
	I'm like, oh, I'll take care of myself.
	It'll be great.
	I'll never look like that.
	On your dating app, do you have any photos with filters?
	I have like three with filters and I think two without filters.
	Any without makeup?
	The one, but it has a filter on it.
	Yeah.
	But, okay, there's also on my social media videos of me recently crying after a hair bleach fail.
	No makeup, no filter.
	What?
	It's just yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, look, when it comes to this whole inauthentic thing, I would argue, though, on dating apps, for example, absolutely, there are men who are going to post photos that are maybe not representative of what they look, photos from when they're younger, maybe even filters.
	I will say somebody myself who was on dating apps.
	I can't speak from the girls' perspective.
	I'm sure there's guys who post filtered photos.
	I would suspect that the incidence rate of men posting deceptive photos is far less.
	It's so much more common than you think, though.
	Being on my side, like literally seeing a man with multiple filtered pictures.
	Like that demographic is probably a bit more likely to use filters.
	Whereas like a 25-year-old.
	My age group.
	Well, I mean, I'm not going to date a 25-year-old, right?
	Right, but you're probably dating like 35 to 45.
	Right, right.
	Yeah, those guys aren't a lot of people.
	Even one filtered, even like one filtered photo to me is just like, that's just cringy.
	It's like red flag number one.
	Do you have any filtered photos, though?
	No.
	Okay.
	No.
	A lot of the women, though, I get that feedback.
	I could pull up a dating app now.
	We could look at the women.
	And there are a lot of women that are not even on there for dating.
	They're just there to promote their own hands or their socials or things like that.
	We can come back to the makeup thing.
	I do want to continue going around on the relationship status.
	We haven't finished that up.
	What about you?
	Go ahead.
	Okay, so I'm 22.
	When I was 19, I dated a Jewish dermatologist for two and a half years on and off.
	And he was insane.
	And now, in Santa Barbara, I flew in private.
	I think I've got a crush on my pilot, is the thing.
	What's your current relationship status?
	Well, I think me and my pilot might have a thing going on.
	Does he know?
	Yeah, is this a unilateral?
	Yeah, he knows it.
	Hopefully, he'll watch this.
	He'll watch this.
	Did you talk to him beyond the flight?
	Yeah, I mean, I mean, do you know your pilots?
	Yeah.
	So, what's your current relationship status?
	It's complicated.
	Okay, I know you're just answer the question, though.
	That is the answer to the question.
	So, okay, you're claiming you took a private flight to Santa Barbara?
	From Los Angeles to Santa Barbara, that's correct.
	So, it's like a private jet.
	It's a little Cessna.
	Why didn't you fly commercial?
	Because I would prefer to fly private.
	Why?
	Wait, hold on.
	You said you're neat.
	What, did you make a bunch in crypto or something?
	No, I'm scared of crypto.
	I was asked to promote a certain coin, but I didn't do it.
	But.
	Watch!
	Okay.
	So, okay.
	You said you're not in, you're not going to school.
	You don't have a job.
	That's correct.
	How do you afford to fly?
	How much was the private jet flight?
	All right.
	Dude, I mean, am I asking you how much your flights cost?
	You know, well, you're the one who talked about flying private.
	I mean, that's the truth.
	I flew in private.
	Okay, I believe you.
	How much do you think?
	Because you guys don't put up the cost for the flight, do you?
	No, we don't.
	Or the accommodations either.
	I'm staying in a nice place.
	I'm not going to disclose why I'm in a nice place.
	There was a motel 6 across the stop.
	So did somebody else pay for the flight?
	No.
	You paid for it.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Do you have a trust fund?
	Just seems a bit dubious.
	No, I don't have a trust fund.
	I grew up, like I said, first-generation immigrant.
	My parents immigrated here from Mexico.
	Well, that's why I'm asking because you're not in school.
	You're not in private.
	But you don't ask these sort of questions.
	You're not supposed to ask me.
	She did date a rheumatologist.
	Dermatologist.
	Dermatologist.
	Two and a half years.
	Okay, if you want me to say what he was, he was a Jewish doctor.
	He was from Coney Island.
	He didn't grow up with money, but he did.
	Listen, I'm sorry, Barry, but I'm going to blast you out here.
	He went to the Darwin School of Medicine.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	We just want to know how you made money because you don't have a job.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Like, what is the money coming?
	Don't you realize that's somewhat curious?
	That is somewhat curious.
	Somewhat curious.
	That would lead a lot of people to ask.
	No, of course I did.
	But I'll tell you this.
	I'm a writer.
	I have a substack.
	All right.
	It's substack.com at blassey slash blassey.
	The question.
	What was the question?
	Oh my god.
	We're getting lost in all this stuff.
	How did you afford the flight here?
	Sorry, I have a hair on my face.
	If I walked into a studio and sat down and said, hey, I don't have a job.
	I'm not making money in any way.
	Oh, you didn't say that, but by all appearances, you're not making money in any way.
	Sure.
	But I flew on a private jet to get away from the future.
	Yeah, I know exactly.
	I mean, you guys know you're pilots.
	I don't know.
	So you're sleeping with the pilot essentially.
	I never said I was sleeping with the pilot.
	I was sleeping with the person you paid for your flight here and the nice accommodations.
	I mean, I don't know how she would get it if you're not working and you don't have money from your family.
	It just feels like you're jerking our chain here.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah, totally a troll.
	Sorry, Colin.
	Because I was asking you your relationship status and you're doing this like performative thing of, well, me and the private jet pilot, you know, there's.
	Okay, you're not going to be able to do that.
	I mean, I could text him.
	He saved in my phone and.
	So you met him a couple hours ago?
	No, I've met him a few months ago.
	Oh.
	That changes things.
	Does it?
	All right, I'll be honest.
	He's my boyfriend.
	I like him very much.
	He happens to be a pilot.
	So I don't know if I can believe anything you're saying.
	It just sounds.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So wait, when I asked your relationship status, what?
	It was complicated.
	So now you have a boyfriend, right?
	That's true.
	Those two things are.
	They're contradictory.
	I mean, are you asking the question?
	Which one's true?
	That it's complicated or that you have a boyfriend?
	Listen, I've got a boyfriend.
	Okay.
	Is he a friend boy or is he a boyfriend?
	He's a boyfriend.
	You can ask him.
	How long have you been dating him?
	Not that long.
	It's a new thing.
	Okay.
	So, like, maybe like a couple weeks.
	What's your longest relationship?
	My longest relationship, like I said, I started.
	My first boyfriend was when I was 19.
	It was two and a half years on and off or so.
	He was a Jewish dermatologist.
	I'll say what kind of doctor he was.
	He was a Jewish dermatologist from Coney Island.
	He went to Darwin Medical School.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm going to put all the business out there.
	What about you?
	Okay.
	I have, so I'm 19.
	I have just been single my whole life.
	I've been in like talking stages, but never like an official relationship.
	What's the longest, I guess, talking stage you've had?
	Probably like four months.
	Four months.
	So four months is like the longest consecutive period of time that you've seen a guy.
	Yeah.
	But it wasn't, you wouldn't consider him your boyfriend.
	Yeah, like it wasn't labeled.
	It was just like talking and then, yeah, it's like a situation shift.
	Okay.
	How long ago was that?
	That was like a year ago.
	It's when I was in high school.
	Okay.
	Were you guys exclusive?
	No, not really.
	It was like we would talk about being exclusive, but we never were officially like.
	Well, I was, but yeah.
	And so.
	Is that why it ended?
	Yeah.
	Any prospects here in college?
	No, like going back to what Alyssa was saying, I feel like a lot of people, a lot of guys' first years, like you'll be talking to someone and a lot of people don't want to take it seriously or they just kind of want to, they're looking for like hookups, not like official relationships.
	Okay.
	Question for you two, actually.
	Have you ever friend zones a guy?
	Yeah.
	Did he want a relationship with you?
	Yeah.
	So there are men who do want to.
	You're just not attracted to that.
	Yeah.
	Sure, yes.
	I mean, I guess I have, but like, I don't know how...
	Oh, sorry.
	I don't know how serious they really were.
	At the end of the day, like, we can't give them the benefit of the doubt that they were going to take me serious.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	You're not obligated to date a guy just because he's nice.
	You know?
	That's true.
	What if you're not?
	Sure, but the complaints are.
	It's your own.
	It's your own personality.
	The complaint was like, oh, no guys want to actually take a relationship with you.
	Yeah, but if you don't want to.
	Oh, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
	But I'm going to friend zone the guys who probably are more serious than the rest.
	Right, because women, if they don't want to, women either want to don't see a guy as a human being or they want to ruin their lives over a guy.
	And is that so wrong?
	Is that our fault?
	I don't think that's accurate.
	I would not agree.
	You guys wouldn't agree.
	You guys ruin your life over a man or ruin his.
	I don't know what you even said, but that's what I'm saying.
	Women are dogs.
	That's what I'm saying.
	That's not true.
	I'm just saying.
	You heard it here first, folks.
	Either you would ruin your life over a man or you don't even see him as a person.
	Or you would have to have a chance to do that.
	Has the character even been.
	You're a distinct relationship.
	Imagine that.
	Well, maybe you're not Latina.
	I'm Latina, and so that's how I feel to everyone.
	All Mexicans are dysfunctional in relationships.
	Don't you know this?
	Come on.
	He's being sarcastic about this.
	This isn't true.
	Sarcastic.
	I'm just saying.
	Just because you live a life of dysfunction does not mean that all of them.
	I don't live a life of dysfunction.
	I live a life of great function.
	Yeah, wait.
	Yeah.
	Also, like, this whole trope of like, well, I'm a fiery Latina.
	Like, that's.
	I'm not saying that.
	Listen.
	There's plenty of Latina women who are like married.
	Name five.
	Name five of them.
	In healthy relationships.
	Really?
	She's just not her mother, yeah.
	Do you know them?
	Right there.
	Do you know them?
	I want to ask the two other Latina.
	Wait, are you Latina?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	What do you guys have to say about it?
	Are you going to let her slander?
	It's like one of those stereotypes that some people like to feed into and other people like don't.
	And I really don't think it's accurate and I specifically don't like to feed into it.
	Someone says, are her parents illegal?
	They may be deported next year.
	Chump 2024.
	What do you think?
	What a dog you are.
	What a dog.
	You might be one of those people who feed into that fetish.
	I don't know what it's like in the south side of Chicago.
	None of you guys know what it's like in the south side of Chicago.
	I do.
	I have plenty of friends out there.
	Really?
	What part?
	Well, some of them live in Niles and some of them legitimately in Chicago property of Chicago.
	Niles is not Chicago proper.
	Okay, not Niles.
	They've moved a little less.
	Like this?
	Yeah, there you go.
	Good job.
	Great.
	Proud of you.
	All right, thank you.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Your relationship status?
	I've been single my whole life.
	What's the longest period of time that you've seen anybody?
	It was definitely one-sided, like, just between me.
	He definitely didn't like me, but I kept, like, basically, like...
	Wait, he didn't like you?
	No.
	No, definitely not.
	Yeah.
	It was like a warmer.
	It's like that quote saying, like, he's not talking to you.
	He's responding.
	That was my whole life, full senior year.
	Okay.
	And so you were like in this whatever it was?
	Like, it was like a thing, a situationship for like two weeks.
	And then I was like, I'm going to college.
	And I'm like, he didn't take me serious all year.
	You know what?
	Wait, two weeks?
	Yeah, two weeks.
	It was literally two weeks.
	Well, how long were you talking to him, though?
	For two weeks.
	Oh, two weeks.
	You've only crushed on a guy.
	You've only crushed on a guy for like two weeks.
	Like, there was no one in the middle of the day.
	I had a call to him all senior year, but he didn't like me back just till like the end of season.
	Senior year.
	And I was like, kind of like, at that point, honestly, I did get bored of it, and I ghosted him.
	But you're beautiful.
	You've never had a guy that was really interested in you that you like entertained and talked to and kind of got to meet.
	I've been on like one date, but after that, I was kind of like, yeah, I don't see anything.
	Would you say you're kind of picky?
	Yeah, definitely.
	In what way?
	Like, what are your standards?
	I like a cool guy.
	Like, the bad boy.
	That's a person.
	Like, she's going on vibes, and there's nothing wrong with that.
	Surfer skater guy?
	It's definitely my job.
	That's cool.
	Surfer skater boy.
	And a surfer skater boy would not provide for you.
	No.
	She's in college.
	You're like a sky.
	I go to UCST.
	Hello.
	I think with girls who are in college, I don't think they're super preoccupied with like a guy's income.
	Yes.
	You're just dating.
	Everybody's just getting started at that time.
	Yeah, everyone's not as.
	Okay, so surfer.
	Do you have to be tall?
	Yeah, I'm pretty.
	How tall are you?
	I'm 5'6 ⁇ .
	So like bare minimum height?
	What are we talking?
	Like 5'9.
	Oh, that's not unreasonable.
	That's like the average male height.
	That's not unreasonable.
	That's good.
	I'll just say when you get older, that may change because.
	Do they shrink?
	No, it shouldn't.
	Great question.
	They do, actually.
	No, but you're coming from a nerve.
	Do you think that you're going to settle when you're younger?
	Holy God, you'll settle a lot more when you're older.
	And I'm telling you, like.
	I disagree.
	No, no, you will.
	Because the options are.
	I don't think she's unreasonable.
	Like five years ago.
	No, it's not unreasonable.
	Sorry, that dropped.
	But it's not unreasonable.
	It's just, I don't know.
	Why should we tell women to settle?
	We shouldn't tell women to settle.
	No, but realistically, everyone's going to settle for something.
	Why is no one's perfect?
	Because no one's perfect.
	You'll never find the person who's not.
	That's not true.
	You might just find them.
	I don't think there's a settle.
	I think it's compromise.
	Yeah, what are your negotiables?
	What are your non-negotiables?
	I think women don't even know what they want going in.
	I think women, they'll find something, and then they'll see that this is what they like, and it'll totally transcend any of the previous explicits.
	I think that's a blanket statement that doesn't apply to all women.
	And that's why relationships don't work when people go into it just saying, well, I like this person.
	I'm attracted to this person.
	You don't think about your goals or your values or your boundaries or any of those things.
	And so you have nothing to base a proper relationship on.
	It's just like, oh, this is fun.
	And then it fizzles out because it doesn't always stay fun forever.
	Do you speak French?
	No.
	Why do I have a slightly French accent?
	Well, you said you're in Toronto.
	You're in the.
	I'm in Kingston.
	I mean, I could sing a French song, just sweet on pizza, but that's about it.
	Okay.
	Let's go back to you.
	Your relationship, Sanders.
	I am in a relationship.
	I've been in a relationship for about a year and a half.
	You guys engaged?
	No.
	Just boyfriend, girlfriend?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Longest relationship?
	This one.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Mason, what about you?
	Give us the whole details.
	The whole details.
	All the details.
	All the details.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So I am single.
	My longest relationship has been a year.
	Yeah.
	I'm not really looking for anybody right now because if I were to find somebody and then get into the Air Force Special Warfare, I'd be like, I'll see you in like two years.
	Yeah.
	And that's not conducive to a relationship.
	Yeah.
	Whole details, though.
	Whole details.
	Whole details.
	Sorry, Brian.
	I apologize.
	I am also a virgin, waiting till marriage.
	That's awesome.
	I'm a really devout Christian.
	So that's really important to me.
	And Brian is my gatekeeper to make sure that I find somebody who is also a virgin.
	Oh, my God.
	He's your chastity base.
	Is that a deal breaker?
	That's a skill for you.
	They have to be a virgin.
	It depends who you ask.
	I think Mason is.
	Are you going to find out?
	What do you mean?
	Is that like your first date question?
	Ask who, I guess.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, so.
	Yeah.
	My lawyer would say that they have to be a virgin.
	I will respond on his behalf as his counsel, as his counsel.
	Boy, that's kind of hot.
	What's hot?
	Like, you, like, you taking care of his chastity, bill?
	Like, you, you, holding the key.
	Yeah, I would say it is.
	Would anybody agree right now?
	Would a brave soul agree with me?
	Have you guys seen Challengers, the movie Challengers, with Cynthia and Mike Face?
	No.
	Okay.
	So, what is direct any questions towards me, not my clients?
	Not always a Christian, became a Christian, and is now celibate.
	Is that still no counsel?
	No.
	Well, she has to be Christian.
	Right.
	Okay.
	She has to be Christian.
	She's like recommitted.
	Are you Protestant?
	What are you?
	Yeah, I'm Protestant.
	Orthodox?
	No, I'm not Orthodox.
	All right.
	So under certain circumstances, my client would consider dating a woman who's not a virgin.
	Although that would not be our first negotiating position, he does, he would prefer to date a woman who's a virgin.
	It's not 100% a deal breaker, but there will have to be additional compensation and consideration if her chastity is not intact.
	His chastity is.
	He is waiting until marriage.
	Is that correct?
	You're waiting until marriage before you have carnal knowledge of a woman.
	Is that correct?
	Why don't you guys just get at it?
	You two.
	This is a professional relationship.
	He is my counsel.
	We would never ruin this with whatever you're insinuating.
	But like, girls are both heterosexuals.
	Sure, but this is all, this is all this can all be, you know, you're taking care of him.
	That's that's that's a nice thing.
	I have a question.
	Are you asking her on the first date?
	Because if you are, how would you find out if there is like compensation?
	What is compensation?
	Yeah, what are we in like freaking Tanzania where there's a bride price?
	Like, she's like the perfect girl.
	Like, how are you even going to find perfect in every way?
	Like, wait, find what out?
	That she's like the perfect girl.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	A good match.
	Like, she said her hymen is intact.
	How would you find out if she's a good match if you're like dropping her after finding out she's not a virgin?
	You know?
	Well, look, there's other factors that are involved.
	You know, obviously, he wants he's look at this physical specimen here.
	If she's a physical specimen, that would be helpful.
	Obviously, her Christian values and ethics and morals, very important.
	You know, her willingness to be cooperative and submissive, because in the Christian faith, you have Christ, husband, wife, children.
	Yes.
	That's the sort of biblical order.
	And then what else?
	What else do we have?
	Let's keep going.
	What does her BMI have to be?
	I want to know.
	I agree.
	It might be a bit.
	Okay, wait, Mason.
	What's that?
	I have a question for Mason.
	Hold on.
	Grid one Motorsports donated $200.
	I have a plane that's going to be a good thing.
	You should make me cool.
	My wife is awesome and neither of us settled.
	Do not buy into this woman, Prettel.
	There is a reason they are single.
	Ladies, how may the patriarchy help you today?
	Yo, grid one, good job.
	What kind of plane do you have?
	Yeah, don't.
	I'll tell you if that makes you cool or not.
	Okay.
	I like that.
	Inside voice, please.
	I like the case.
	Wait, let's get back to this.
	Yo, grid one.
	Thank you for the message.
	She is curious what kind of plane you have.
	Sure.
	Are you interested in grid one?
	Not really.
	Not at all.
	He has a wife.
	So why do you say he's not interested in that?
	He's got a wife.
	He's just showing off his plane.
	Yeah.
	There you go.
	Okay.
	So.
	I had a question for Mason.
	Wait, hold on.
	You had a question first, I think, and then we'll get to you.
	What was your question again?
	Oh, are you asking on the first date?
	Asking what?
	Like, if she's a virgin.
	Wait, can I ask you, what if her hymen was broken in a bicycle on a bicycle?
	Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	You got to scoot the microphone that way.
	Just once I place it, just leave it where it is.
	Scoot it that way.
	No, scoot it.
	Toward you.
	Towards you.
	Yep.
	And then scoot it to your left.
	There you go.
	Okay.
	Don't touch it.
	Don't move it anymore.
	Okay.
	How about it?
	So, yeah, he would ask.
	How about if her hymen was broken riding a bicycle?
	That would work.
	Or a horse.
	Yes, they're using if they're using tampons or if they're horse riders.
	Some women don't even, without those things, don't necessarily have a hymen.
	You could just hope that they're honest individuals and they just tell you the truth.
	I know that's a difficult concept for you to grasp.
	Why is that a difficult concept for me to grasp?
	Well, you seem to be a bit like playing a game.
	I mean, there has been evidence to the contrary.
	I think we all know.
	And which is it?
	Well, your omission when I asked you your relationship status, you weren't just up front and you just didn't.
	Well, can I ask you something?
	Out of all the women that have been on this show, how many have you bagged?
	You know, because this is my first time that I've been to Santa Barbara.
	This is one of the most beautiful places I've ever been in my entire life.
	I'll see how this is relevant.
	I'm going to make it relevant.
	This is one of the most beautiful places I've ever been to in my entire life.
	It's seriously gorgeous.
	And you are in a den taking women to places where it looks like they've gotten caught like shoplifting.
	And how many women is that?
	No, I kind of get that.
	It's like a place where you go after you get caught shoplifting at CBS and they have to see you in the back and the security takes you.
	But this is such a wonderful place.
	Come on, don't act like you don't know what I mean.
	And this is the place that you have them in, and you're nagging them.
	And so what's the deal?
	Why aren't you banging these women?
	Why aren't you taking them to bed?
	That's my question.
	I don't think you understand what's happening here.
	Wait, I don't?
	No, she doesn't.
	Well, it's a total non-sequitur.
	Yeah, so maybe because you're Canadian, you may not understand.
	I'm Canadian.
	I don't understand anything.
	I'm sorry, guys.
	Sorry, you know what I'm saying?
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	Sorry.
	A boat?
	Like, you know, the whole thing.
	Like, it's like a different, it's a different culture.
	All I'm going to say is I think you're trolling this whole show and like derailing the conversation.
	I'm not trolling this whole show.
	I'm asking questions that I have.
	This is who you really are.
	I'm sorry.
	So I'm not going to address your non-sequitur because we're in the midst of a conversation about Mason.
	Perhaps later on in the show.
	I was being all engaged with you there.
	Yes, that's right.
	Yeah, so to answer your question, yeah, he would probably, yeah, we'd ask.
	We, are you, are you going to go on the date?
	Will you be accompanying every day?
	So, okay, it's a bit.
	You don't have a good answer to this question.
	Stop interrupting.
	It's a bit.
	If girls are interested in Mason, they're DMing him.
	Mason, do you get a lot of DMs from girls?
	I get DMs.
	He gets a lot of DMs from ladies, and so through the DMs, he can negotiate however he wants.
	As his acquaintance, his friend, he's certainly welcome to ask me for advice on anything.
	And I think I have a pretty good eye for who could potentially be a good match or not.
	But this is mostly just a bit for the show.
	But I mean, I certainly advise Mason that given that he's a virgin, it would make sense to me that he can find a girl who's a virgin.
	He's an attractive guy.
	He's got good ethics and morals and values, all that.
	So I don't suspect he'll have any trouble if that's what he desires.
	I don't think he'll have any trouble finding a virgin, but it's not, I don't think it's clear to me that that's 100% a deal breaker for you.
	Like if you meet a fantastic woman who's had a previous one, two, three partners, doesn't it?
	Limit on the body count.
	Limit.
	I would definitely want it below five.
	Statistically, five or above.
	You like only a 20% chance of successful marriage.
	You've had virgins contact you, correct?
	Yeah, yeah, I definitely have.
	Oh, I'm sure.
	How old are you?
	28.
	Okay.
	I have a little question, though, because you were saying about like the dating apps.
	Now, I imagine that looking the way you do, you probably have a lot of women who just come to you.
	But you say, like, you know, the dating apps, we should all get off the dating apps and social media.
	And I do agree.
	I'd love to be off the dating apps.
	But how would you advise meeting people when, like, outside of the dating apps?
	Because I found it kind of interesting as I don't know.
	I'm sorry.
	Grid one motor sport donated $200.
	Have a few.
	The coolest is along easy, not a Cessna.
	Unemployed Mullet girl is completely bad faith and useless.
	She should plant a tree for the oxygen she wastes daily.
	Frank Castlewa.
	This is Sparta.
	If you can tell me how to plant a tree, if you can tell me how to plant a tree, then I'd be glad to do it.
	What does he say?
	Have a few.
	The coolest is along easy, not a Cessna.
	All right, first of all, a Cessna is great if you have a little plane to yourself that you can fly around the marriage.
	You don't have a plane to yourself.
	You have someone else.
	Okay, do you have one?
	I'm sorry.
	You're talking like you're toting a Boeing 47.
	You know, 747.
	You know what I mean?
	No, I don't.
	Unfortunately, not all of us are materialistic, and I'm just letting you know.
	And maybe that's why you're single.
	Because I don't chase materialism.
	I just even make a lick of money.
	Maybe if you did.
	Maybe if you were, you know, you should cool your jets and try and learn from myself.
	And I'm sorry.
	I'm gonna hate you.
	Cool my jets.
	I'm already cooling my jets.
	I'm in a Cessna 47.
	I flew here.
	You're screaming.
	And how much did you have to drink today?
	Because you're screaming and you're trolling and you're being ridiculous.
	No offense.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	Of course you're sorry because you're Canadian.
	But listen.
	No, because I'm a kind of person.
	Have you ever read the book, Why Men Love Bitches?
	Have you ever read it?
	No, because I haven't read it.
	No, you haven't read it.
	I don't think.
	There you go.
	Fake news.
	No, no, no.
	You haven't read it because it's true.
	We got our back going.
	No, I'm serious.
	Why men love bitches?
	You got to read it.
	Well, actually, you'd be better off reading Freudian side.
	How old are you?
	How old are you?
	I'm going to be 37 in July, so you should shut your mouth a little bit because I'm not going to be able to do it.
	Why is that?
	Because I'm not going to be able to do it.
	Do you have a husband?
	No, I don't.
	Okay.
	It's by choice.
	It's by choice.
	I'm waiting for you.
	Is it really by choice?
	Is it really by choice?
	Yes.
	No, it's because you're too argumentative and you're pretending to argue.
	No, you're not.
	And because you're controlling.
	Because you're pretending.
	You're pretending to be a single person.
	I'm trying to get the conversation back on track because we all came here to have a discussion about relationships and you're fucking derailing everything.
	All right, well, don't say the F word.
	That's not very nice.
	I can do whatever the hell I damn well please.
	Oh my gosh.
	And she said the H and the D word.
	Oh my God.
	Goodness gracious.
	Is she even from Canada?
	Am I even from Canada?
	Someone, please.
	My family friends who are watching, please vouch for me.
	Canadian, sue me.
	God.
	All right.
	Jeez.
	I'm sorry.
	I just can't handle the ridiculousness.
	We're here to have a conversation.
	Please stop screaming.
	Please let everybody have a conversation without all the insanity.
	We're all having a conversation.
	No, you're having a monologue.
	You're having a monologue.
	That's very different.
	Is it so bad if I have a monologue?
	Because you're in my ear having a monologue.
	All right, well, you can move.
	You could scream.
	No, I can't.
	I was assigned here.
	We all paid a lot of assets.
	That wasn't my doing.
	It wasn't my doing.
	That's literally your doing.
	Nobody's doing it.
	No, it wasn't my doing to have you sat where the place you are.
	Anyway, I'm sorry that you guys don't have husbands.
	I'm sorry that I might have one in a year.
	I'm sorry about that.
	I can guarantee you whatever marriage is.
	I'm sorry, I'm sorry for your husband.
	I'm not paid to choose.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	Honey, what I'm turning into is not going to work out because you're a lunatic.
	You're a raging lunatic.
	I may be a lunatic.
	Some people like that.
	You got to read the book.
	Yeah, I know.
	And the bad people like to have it.
	God Almighty, save me.
	I'm sorry.
	God.
	You're sorry.
	All right, we get it.
	You don't have to be disrespectful.
	Yeah, you are so disrespectful.
	No, because you start all you.
	You know, you first leave the floor to everybody else for a little bit.
	Please.
	Like, can you just like you first?
	It started with them not letting me put on my sunglasses.
	I mean, I'm blessed for Christ's sake.
	That's what I do.
	I should have read the fine prize.
	I'm not reading anything.
	I'm having people read it for me.
	Okay.
	Oh, my good God.
	And see, David Triz, yeah.
	You know what?
	You are like.
	You're a foolish man.
	Just donated $10.
	He's having a great time.
	Come on, people.
	We're having a great time having this.
	No, you're having a great time.
	We're all by yourself.
	And I'm trying to get it.
	So why aren't you?
	You are my ear having the moment.
	You are what is making women look bad.
	Stop.
	I've never met one girl who doesn't.
	Please, God, take control so we don't have to keep doing this.
	Well, I'm just, I mean, you're big girls.
	I'm just letting you know.
	I just cannot.
	I've never met one girl who didn't take control.
	Can I ask the question?
	That's not MC's job.
	Yes, somebody read it.
	I'd love to see what he says.
	Woo!
	I didn't think I'd get in a fight while I was here.
	I'm going to read a couple chats.
	We have Dylan Lolly.
	Ladies, would you prefer to be college-educated and work or be a housewife?
	Please explain your answer.
	Gustavo spoke English last quad.
	I feel betrayed.
	So we're going to start with you.
	Would you prefer to be college-educated and work or be a housewife?
	And explain your answer, please.
	I definitely want to go finish college and get an education and get a job.
	But if I were to meet a guy who could support me and my family that I would potentially have, and he told me that it was okay to just be a housewife, then I would be okay with quitting my job.
	But I don't want to have to depend on him and not be able to just leave him if I needed to.
	So that's why I want to continue with my education.
	Let's assume he was like a good, you know, it wasn't going to devolve into some like abusive situation.
	Like he's just going to be a good husband, but you know, he's well off and he's like, babe, you don't need to work.
	I want you to just take care of the kids, take care of the household.
	You do that.
	I'll take care of everything else.
	Well, I would carry out with my education.
	I'm not going to not finish it.
	Sure.
	You'd finish that by the time you're what, 21?
	Yeah.
	No, I actually want to go get a master's.
	Get a master's.
	Let me ask you a question.
	What if you met a guy in your junior year?
	He was maybe a couple years older than you, and he maybe is already working, already successful.
	And you could tell, like, okay, this guy's going to be able to provide for me.
	Maybe I don't have to work.
	And he's like, hey, I want to take care of you.
	Let's start a family.
	Let's do it now.
	Don't go get your master's in what you did.
	Psychology.
	Psychology.
	Yeah, forget that.
	Just get your graduate or your bachelor's degree.
	That would honestly make me question his character.
	Exactly, like not support my goals and my ambitions because I want to do that.
	Like, I want to be able to have an education and a career.
	Like, I don't see why he would want me to depend on him.
	Well, in furtherance, you want to get married one day?
	Yeah.
	Have kids?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Do you know how many kids you want?
	Two.
	What if he wants seven?
	Seven sons.
	And I think you can control the gender.
	Well, you just keep going until you have seven.
	I don't think we would get along well then.
	I don't think it would be a good match.
	She doesn't align with that person.
	Yeah, obviously.
	I don't think it would work out.
	So he could say, you never have to work another day in your life.
	I will take care of everything.
	But you would still want to.
	Would you, when you say your career, what would your career be?
	I want to be a psychologist eventually.
	Like do clinical psychology, like see patients.
	Yeah.
	So just to be clear, and would you want to work full-time?
	I'm not sure yet.
	And so would you be treating people who have, is there like a specialty you want to pursue?
	I don't know.
	Just like talk therapy?
	Probably.
	Counseling?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What do you think would be a better use of your time talking to total strangers for money that you just hear them complain all day and then you hear perhaps their trauma, which could have some impact on you, hearing people tell you their terrible stories day in, day out, having to put all your empathy and nurturing into total strangers in exchange for money, or you don't have to work a day in your life, you don't have to deal with any stress, at least that's related from work.
	You take care of the household, you take care of your husband, you take care of your children.
	Do you still prefer having the career over if your husband's successful enough to provide you with you not having to ever work a day in your life?
	Which do you prefer?
	The only thing that I'd be scared of is that one day I wouldn't want to be with him anymore and now I can't leave him because I have no way of providing for myself.
	Well, if you're married, let's say you were married to him and there was no, for example, there was no prenuptial, well, even if there was a prenuptial agreement, you would still be entitled to the money that was earned during the relationship, certain entitlements when it perhaps even came to alimony, child support, etc.
	So even if that did happen, you wouldn't be totally out on the streets and I assume you'd have a family support system, even if it did happen.
	Let's assume it didn't, though.
	Are you concerned that you would leave him despite him being, for example, let's say there's no abuse in the relationship?
	Yeah.
	Maybe you just, you fall out of love, but he's still, he's a wonderful father, wonderful husband, treats you well, supportive provider, no alcohol, no drug abuse, no gambling, nothing.
	Great guy, but maybe you just, you get bored, you fall out of love.
	Would that be the scenario that you're worried about?
	Hypothetically, are you also saying that he's never going to get into any kind of accident, become a paraplegic or quadriplegic, and actually need for her to go and support the whole family, including the kids?
	That's true, because if he's a bowling ball, then I don't know if I want him anymore.
	A bowling pin.
	Yikes.
	Okay.
	No, but that's the reality, because this is, you know, this actually hits close to home with me.
	I have a nonprofit for domestic violence survivors fleeing with children and many, many women.
	Do you think that's a majority of women's experiences?
	Or just the majority of people that go through this organization you're talking about.
	So let me allow me to explain what happens.
	Wait, actually, hold on.
	Before you do, I did ask you a question.
	So assuming all those things are true that I listed out, would you still want to pursue your career over your family ambitions?
	I want to have like at least the education.
	I don't have to start my career.
	okay what if your husband and he listens to you but he says well uh would you look to your potential husband to help you finance your career or your your because it's is it pretty expensive to get a master's degree Yeah.
	Okay.
	What are your plans for that currently?
	How are you going to finance your master's degree?
	I'm not sure yet.
	Maybe student loans.
	How are you financing your current education?
	My parents.
	Your parents are paying for it.
	Master's degree, are they going to pay for it too?
	Or what are you thinking?
	We haven't discussed it yet, but they know that that's like the route I want to take.
	Possibly student loans because I do have siblings that want to go to college as well.
	How many siblings do you have?
	I have two.
	Okay.
	And are they in college yet, or are you the oldest?
	I am the oldest.
	Okay, so they're not in college yet, but they will be soon.
	Yeah.
	And they're probably, I assume they're also going to want to go to university, get an education.
	Okay.
	So let's say you had to take out student loans to do this.
	Okay, yeah.
	But your fiancé, let's say he's proposed to you, says, well, I think we should save that money and put it towards our future family.
	So the question is, like, would I be okay with that?
	I mean, just stopping school after my bachelor's and just starting a family?
	Yes.
	I would be okay with that, yeah.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Did you have you had something right?
	Yeah, I think.
	Oh, hold on.
	Oh, there's two coming through back to back.
	Planning ahead for a divorce is ultimate cringe.
	Women submit to their husbands who leads the family.
	The lack of faith in your ability to choose a good man or keep a good man is terrible.
	Be better.
	All right, sounds like a basement dweller.
	No, I think that he's actually correct.
	I think it's because planning for a divorce, I think it's being realistic.
	At the end of the day, you don't know what's going on through someone's.
	But the point is, if you have the right goals for a family, Dylan Lawley donated $200.
	Stop it, Brixon.
	They get no education that's fully dependent or fully informed.
	I'm going to pull up the original one.
	You're right.
	So the original one was, thank you, Dylan.
	Was would you prefer to be college educated and work or be a housewife?
	And then explain your answer.
	So I guess it's like, so I'm assuming you mean, hey, drop out of college.
	Either or.
	Either or.
	Yeah.
	Either or.
	Okay.
	I'm not dropping.
	But does so does this scenario does it mean that hmm?
	So they can't?
	Wait.
	Or be a housewife.
	Okay, well.
	So it's college educated and work or be a housewife.
	I think I stay at home.
	So there's no like, hey, maybe after I get my education, we have a family.
	Maybe I'll work.
	Or like, we're not blending the two.
	It's either you work and have a college education or you're a housewife.
	There's no like in between.
	Yeah.
	So like gun to your head.
	You got to make a decision.
	Yeah.
	Which one are you picking?
	Oh, so it's.
	You're college educated, but you never end up having a family, basically.
	Basically, I think that's what I'm doing.
	So I think that's what it is.
	You get to do your college educated work.
	Be college educated, never get to have a family, or you never get college educated, never have a career, but you have kids, family.
	But in a relationship, they say, like, I don't think it's necessarily you can't have a family.
	It's like you can have a family.
	Which one do you prefer?
	But like, if you're working, if both of you are working, then hey, we're going to have to pay for child care.
	We're going to have to let the state raise our children.
	Things like that.
	Yeah, Dylan, do you want to just clarify really quick, Dylan?
	So is it they get to pursue a career, be college educated, but never have a family, or never have a career, never be college educated, but have a family, kids, husband.
	Is that what you're getting at?
	We'll come back to that really quick.
	We'll go around the table on that.
	One last thing on the virginity thing.
	I think you guys over here had a question.
	Did you have a question for this?
	Did you?
	Yes.
	Yeah, my question was, have you had those conversations?
	How did they go?
	Like on the first date, you ask your girl if she's a virgin.
	I don't know.
	Yes, I do ask the question.
	It usually comes in the form of like, have you been with any guys before?
	Or, have you dated guys before?
	And if she says, yes, I've dated.
	Or a faith conversation, maybe.
	What are your beliefs?
	Generally, exactly.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So I'm doing a lot of digging, and then naturally that is just going to come up.
	Yeah.
	So I'm because I can understand where they're coming from.
	Are they somebody who puts themselves out there in that way?
	I can usually gauge that just by talking with somebody, also who their friends are, how they live their life.
	That's very clear.
	Wait, is anybody just anyone else here a virgin?
	I was when I got married.
	Yeah.
	But is anybody ever?
	Anybody else a virgin show?
	I mean, I'm largely celibate, but certainly not a virgin.
	You're a virgin?
	Yeah.
	I was just kidding.
	Yeah.
	Unsurprising.
	Why is that not surprising, huh?
	Okay, anyway.
	No, I mean, you said it.
	So we want a lot of tension on this question and virginity.
	Like, what phase in your life of your religion did you say, I'm going to be a virgin until marriage?
	So because you went through your 20s and like 20s, you're like, you know, you drink, you do this.
	I don't know if you do.
	So I think this all just kind of goes back to how I was raised.
	I give my parents, they are my heroes.
	My dad is the greatest man I have ever known, and my mom is the greatest woman I've ever known.
	They gave me incredible examples.
	When they were growing up in their 20s, they definitely weren't like me.
	They were partiers.
	They were crazy sleeping around.
	But, I mean, the Lord does incredible things, and they totally changed their lives around.
	The Lord changed them completely.
	So give so much credit to them.
	So I think they, I guess, pulled maturity out of me from a very young age.
	So when I was in high school, I'm already thinking through these things.
	They're helping me think through these things.
	What's important to you?
	Let's turn to God's word.
	What does it say?
	So what do we think about God's word if it is commandment?
	Not just because, hey, do this because I say so, but do this.
	I know it doesn't feel in the moment like it's great, but it's for your ultimate good.
	It was kind of instilling that into me at an early age.
	So when I got to my 20s, I was already somewhat a mature man.
	Of course, I'm going to mess around.
	Well, I guess it depends what you mean by mess around.
	But I'm going to mess up, make mistakes.
	But I'm usually going to be a little bit more.
	Are you going third base?
	That's really cool, though.
	That's amazing.
	Yeah, props to you.
	I'm going to read it.
	Actually, for these 100 ones, what's your name again?
	Alyssa.
	Alyssa, I'm going to have you read the hundred ones.
	This one right here.
	Oh, sorry.
	It says, My disability insurance is so far beyond what I need.
	Any disability and my salary doesn't change.
	Wife and kids set me a vegetable.
	All right, Matt.
	Thank you for the soup chat, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you very much.
	And then we will get back to Dylan's comment Comment here.
	He did add a clarifying thing.
	We have Just Gerald and then Alyssa.
	Let me have you read this one.
	This one up here.
	Yeah.
	You don't need to go into it now.
	What was so bad in the marriage that it couldn't be worked on?
	What was going on that justified breaking the family and giving your kids probable abandonment issues?
	Do you want to give a quick response?
	Oh, absolutely.
	As a domestic violence survivor who left with five kids, the youngest one being two years old, I realized pretty quickly when my eight-year-old said, while we were doing homeschooling, living abroad, he looked down at his paper after his dad had finished, you know, having a very loud altercation with me and said, I'm so glad I wasn't born a girl.
	So at some point, you have to leave for your kids, even though you want to stay for your kids.
	And I don't think anyone that gets married actually gets married with the intention of getting a divorce.
	But I do think those are conversations that need to be had on the forefront so that everyone understands what you're getting into, what kind of ramifications happen with these kids.
	And then as they stay in even a confusingly hostile marriage, how much trauma bonding happens and how that impacts them in their adult lives and how much you have to like go backwards and rewire and unlearn certain things, such as yelling at your spouse or following your spouse around the house to yell at them, which is called domestic terrorism, things like that.
	So breaking up a family is a lot, you know, that's a much more loaded topic than just like what we're making it up to be a convenience.
	So to go back to Dylan Lawley's scenario here, it was: would you rather be get college educated or be a housewife?
	And he provided some clarification.
	He says they do not get to have a family.
	They do have their dream career.
	So you get your dream career or be a housewife to a loving man.
	So we'll start here again if you want to re-answer it.
	In that scenario, I'd rather be a housewife.
	I don't want to not have a family.
	Well, like my grandma always told me, because she did that and she told me to go out and build a life for myself and then find someone.
	But I can tell you, as a single 36-year-old woman, my time is running out to have a family.
	And that's something you can't get back.
	I can't get my 20s back.
	I wish more young women understood.
	You can have a career whenever the heck you want.
	There's 80-year-olds that I've seen in college.
	You can build whatever you want.
	You can build it even better if you've got somebody by your side who's a partner to you.
	And I fully regret not doing that.
	And I know there's still a little time, but I would 100% choose the housewife.
	Plus, I love to bake and cook and knit and sew.
	So like I'm down.
	Gardening, all that.
	Love it.
	What about you?
	Well, as a woman that's done both, you know, my intention when I first got married was just housewife.
	I got pushed from every single corner to finish my education, to have a career, and did thrive.
	And, you know, I finished my associate degree in nursing while having our first child, returned back after a week, had my bachelor, you know, finished while I was getting induced with our second child.
	Helped my ex-husband finish his education while having our third child, all while working.
	Had a fourth and fifth child in Washington State while having a full-blown critical care career, starting up our first, you know, medical facility.
	You know, I don't think, you know, if I were to choose and there were a man that actually would have, which was the intention, yes.
	I don't, I don't think any woman that has like that traditional biological clock ticking desire to like be the mother maybe that you never got to see or have the household.
	So just answer the question from your frame of view right now.
	I'm grateful that I have a career, but I would have chosen with a good man to be a housewife and a homemaker because that's a career and it's like that's past tense.
	What's taught currently right now?
	If you were presented right now with the option of your dream career or being a housewife to a loving husband.
	1,000% housewife.
	Okay.
	I love being at home with the kids.
	I would like to just chill.
	I think that if I if I had a bunch of kids, I think I would probably drown them.
	And so that's not.
	Oh, that's not.
	That's what I'm, that's my answer.
	I mean, that's a pretty demographic.
	And so you're just trolling.
	Yeah, I don't.
	I think this is unproductive.
	But I would like to just chill, and I would like not to have a career, and I would like to just hang out.
	You know, I'm just going to say I'm not religious, but I will pray for you because I think something is going on with you that is pray a lot.
	I actually went to the mission yesterday in Santa Barbara and I knelt and I prayed and it was great.
	Although there were classes.
	Well, God needs to touch your soul.
	I'll tell you that.
	I'm saying you're going to try your children.
	That's nasty.
	You should move on.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's pretty dark.
	It is dark.
	Yeah.
	Are you going to actually answer the question in good faith, though?
	I answered the question in good faith.
	I think I would just like, I would just hang out.
	There's no hanging out.
	You're either a mom and I'm a house.
	I've always wanted a career.
	And what would your dream career be?
	Hanging out.
	Well, that's not a career option, so I'm sorry to tell you that.
	You're sorry, but it's true.
	It is.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Can I ask a question, like on the question?
	Sure.
	So you're not allowed to pick one or the other?
	If you choose a career, would you still be able to, like, have a family, like, just with a...
	No, no, no.
	I know what you mean, like...
	Just like with a husband or a boyfriend, does that consist like the family, or is it with kids?
	I think the context is kids, like housewives.
	Yeah, so the housewives.
	Just a kid.
	Building a family.
	Kids, family, husband, or dream career.
	Yeah.
	No kids, no family, no husband.
	Oh, no husband.
	That was my clarification.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Then I'd probably, yeah, I'd probably go with the housewife, then I guess.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	100% educated and with my career.
	You'd pick the career.
	100%.
	So you'd be single, though?
	Go without a husband.
	I'd go single.
	I think you can still like.
	Yeah, because I'm not going to be able to do that, but I don't have to do that.
	I'm not going to have a date or whatever.
	Just in the commitment.
	I'm fine without kids.
	I personally think, like, if you didn't go to school, that's cool.
	You know, dope on you.
	But I think it's so cool to be educated.
	And it's a flex.
	Like, if I'm going to UC Santa Barbara, like, one of the top 10 best public schools in the nation, I'm going to flex it.
	I'm going to be like, I did this.
	I got to where I'm at.
	You have a family.
	Dope on you.
	Super cool.
	But, you know what?
	But I pay for it.
	If I can say something to that, I'll say that, like, okay, so I was really sick in my 20s.
	And I'll tell you what was never there with me was my job and my education.
	It was my family that got me through.
	And when your parents are gone, I can still have parents.
	No, but when your parents are gone, what will you have?
	And then you're well, but there's no wrong answer.
	There's no wrong answer.
	That's what you choose.
	And that's what you're doing.
	It is what you choose.
	I'm just saying that there may come a day.
	Like, you're so young right now.
	And I'm just saying there may come a day when you are older when you realize like, this is wonderful.
	And I'm so proud of myself for accomplishing this and for doing this, but you're still going home to the same four walls alone every day after your friends leave.
	To be clear, you'd be so you would pick your dream career over husband, family, kids.
	Okay.
	And just what, do you have a sense of kind of what career you want to pursue?
	I want to do kind of like this is so like vague, but like in the realm of like law enforcement.
	So do you want to be a law enforcement officer?
	You want to be officer.
	I want to get a computer.
	I want to be higher in the field, but like.
	What do you mean, higher in the field?
	I would say detective or detective level.
	Don't you have to start as a police officer?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you definitely have to start a police officer.
	I just raised my way, though.
	But her goal, her career goals.
	That's cool.
	That's a good question.
	Are you comfortable with shooting someone?
	Yeah.
	That was a question.
	Well, the family is.
	Yeah.
	Sign me up.
	I know.
	Exactly.
	Fucking ready.
	Lock loaded.
	Okay.
	So one question.
	What if.
	She didn't answer, Alexis.
	Well, no, we'll get to that.
	One question for you.
	So let's say you met a very well-off man.
	So, I mean, there's never going to be concerns over finances.
	Let's just say he makes like a million a year.
	That's pretty good.
	Would that sort of lifestyle that he'd provide you, you never have to work a day in your life, you're the stay-at-home wife, take care of the kids, have kids, have the husband.
	Would that be a more appealing trade-off?
	Or still, even with that sort of lifestyle that a man who's making seven figures a year, would you still not take it then?
	No, because I can make a lot of money.
	I can't, probably not that much in like law enforcement, but I can make some money myself.
	And like, my mom, she's a housewife.
	Can I ask you a question?
	If I could snap my fingers right now and give you $5 million, 10 million, we'll just say, hold on, wait.
	Yeah, $5 million right now.
	Untaxed.
	But you're not allowed to ever pursue a career.
	Would you take it?
	No.
	So just to be clear, you're going to work.
	But there's a reasoning behind it.
	Like, tell us a little bit about your background, right?
	Like, your mom, your dad, that dynamic, maybe siblings.
	Yeah, my mom's a housewife, and I'm the first one here at college, and I'm living my life, and I love it.
	Well, college is a different thing.
	Yeah, no, college is fun.
	And I've done internships in law enforcement, and I even loved it even more.
	And I have connections at our home police station.
	And if I'm ready to do that, I have my foot in the door.
	And I just think it's so dope to be educated.
	So to be clear, if I could give you $5 million, right?
	I wouldn't take it.
	You wouldn't take it.
	You'd rather work to work until you're 60?
	Yeah, until I'm 60.
	I'm telling you that.
	You could just retire at your, what, almost 19?
	You could travel, see the world.
	You could retire, never have to work a day in your life.
	You could pursue any hobbies you want.
	You wouldn't.
	Look, I think being a police officer is a commendable job, but I mean, there's certain negative, you know, you have to deal with annoying people.
	It's stressful.
	Sometimes you can be in violent situations.
	You can be in life-threatening situations.
	It can be a very stressful job.
	Police officer is probably one of them.
	I can't think of a very harder job than police officer.
	Try being a critical care nurse.
	Well, I don't know.
	I'm not saying critical care nurse is not stressful.
	I'm saying police officers.
	Police officers.
	You've got psych patients that are like, I mean, it just depends on how much you want to shoot people and you want to sedate them.
	Police officers literally deal with the bottom of society every single day.
	They are in their car sitting there.
	Every interaction they have is probably with somebody that's like could have weapons on them, whatever.
	And I know the bottom of society.
	Psych patients are dangerous, but they're you.
	The most stressful job in the world.
	Psych patients are very easily sedated.
	You give them a short time.
	It's usually in the context of meaning.
	Okay, who else is the horse here?
	It's how it's a little bit of how though, a little bit of Bendril, a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a stop.
	So, just to be clear, are you saying that your job is like as stressful as a police officer?
	It's comparable.
	Comparable.
	Well, so you're saying that in the psych, what was it, the psych unit?
	No, in the ER or in the critical care unit, you're dealing with lower-level society, homeless people, drug addicts.
	They have shanks, they have needles, dirty needles.
	I mean, perhaps they made contact with police officers first.
	Maybe, or they walked in.
	The police officer is like, in their eyes, the enemy.
	They're the ones who have to grab them, be like, hey, we are taking you.
	You guys, like, okay, they're going to be there, but hey, we're going to help you.
	No, no, that's not how it goes down.
	And you're saying that people are fascinating.
	People are fine.
	I know.
	I understand.
	I've had police officers that sit outside of the room while they let us handle the patient.
	But the thing is, that's not the only type of patient you deal with as a critical care nurse.
	So you're talking about like a vast majority.
	Have you ever, I'm sure it happens, but it's probably far more rare.
	In the critical care unit, how frequently are you having to like dispatch the people that are freaking out?
	Like, have you ever had to has anyone ever have to like shoot and kill a patient?
	Shoot and kill people by their hospital.
	You know, we don't.
	They have chemical restraints.
	We don't physical restraints.
	There's an argument here to point out that as a nurse, there's no problem.
	We do have to restrain people with leather restraints.
	But it's usually when the group of other nurses officers, police officers have to encounter people who are armed and have intention to kill them.
	Yeah, and it's usually when they're one-on-one or like two ones.
	Nurses don't have weapons.
	And the majority of nurses are females.
	So for us to have men in the industry is usually who's more likely to encounter like some lethal force scenario, a nurse or a police officer?
	A police officer, obviously, because they're out in the streets.
	I'm saying it's comparable.
	You guys are turning it into like this.
	No, it's as dangerous.
	It is dangerous.
	It's still dangerous.
	Let's not minimize.
	No, Let's not minimize the risks that police officers are.
	Absolutely.
	And I wasn't minimizing that.
	The way this conversation went down, it's not comparable.
	We were talking about police officers, right?
	Dangerous it is.
	I said, yeah, that police officer, I can't think of a harder, more stressful job.
	And then a comment was made by you, try being a critical care nurse.
	And I was like, okay, yeah, I'm not saying it's not a stressful job.
	Dangerous, not just stressful.
	But you said, like, try being a critical care nurse.
	Why are we having this argument, though?
	That's the thing.
	I know the comments.
	I know.
	You guys went ham on it.
	But that's fine.
	Listen, I respect it.
	Nobody's been in my shoes and had to deal with people in Portland where illicit drugs are literally.
	I can look at statistics for police officers.
	Self-deletion.
	Police officers have the highest rate.
	There are all of the negative side effects of having a job.
	Police officers will tend to have the most negative effects.
	So I can look at statistics, not anecdotal evidence.
	You can look at statistics.
	In my experience as a critical care nurse, it's really difficult.
	And I'm not saying it's not.
	Have you ever looked at statistics for critical care nurses?
	Oh, no.
	I'm just saying police officers lead it.
	Don't call it anecdotal when there's anecdotal.
	It's research.
	We are not saying that it's not hard.
	I'm not saying it's, oh, it's an easy job.
	It's just not this.
	Police officer is harder.
	I didn't claim stressful.
	It is more dangerous.
	I did not claim that it's the same.
	I said it was comparable.
	It is comparable because it is.
	Unless you've been a nurse and you've worked in the ER or in the critical care unit.
	I can't say something to that.
	I have been in.
	Because you're trying to shut me down.
	So we're having a disagreement and a dialogue.
	That's what happens in a disagreement.
	I can say something as well.
	I'm disagreeing on the fact that you're minimizing and saying it's a stressful job.
	Yeah, sure, but it's not necessarily dangerous.
	It is dangerous to say that, but it's just not as dangerous as being a police officer.
	I've been in a psych ward.
	I've been an alcoholic.
	I've been in homeless shelters.
	I've been in recovery.
	I've seen the mental crises.
	And I'm telling you right now, it is not the same.
	Let me define comparable or comparable of equivalent quality worthy of comparison.
	So it's not clear to me that being a critical care nurse is of equivalent risk or danger as being a police officer.
	And that doesn't say equivalent.
	I use the word comparable, comparable.
	Comparable, yes, but I just gave you the definition.
	You're saying it's like essentially an equivalent.
	It's absolutely not.
	And it's not.
	And it's not.
	And it's not saying that your job isn't dangerous.
	It's not saying that you don't take risks in your job, but you are at less risk than a police officer who usually you are in a hospital setting most of the time or in a clinical setting with many nurses, many doctors around, people who can help you and come to your aid and your rescue.
	I know I work in a healthcare situation.
	I totally understand that.
	But I'm saying that I've seen the violent patients.
	I've heard the codes called, but I'm telling you, it happens less frequently and also not to the degree that police officers get.
	And I'll tell you, I used to hate police officers when I was a far-left person, but I'm telling you, their job is one of the most dangerous jobs.
	And it's not to minimize you, but it's not.
	It's not even about me.
	It's about in general.
	But you said that.
	An ER nurse or a critical care nurse that works in the south side of Chicago, for example, versus a police officer that works in Beverly Hills or somewhere else.
	That's not a fair comparison.
	Do you get what I'm saying?
	There's like different statistics.
	Like we're talking about different variables, right?
	How about we compare it to the power?
	Let's compare a critical care nurse in the south side of Chicago to a police officer in the south side of Chicago.
	Right.
	Well, I've seen much.
	I made a simple comment that it's comp it can be comparable.
	Yes, we realize nursing is stressful.
	It's difficult.
	You're dealing with, like, you can be dealing with violent patients.
	We totally get it.
	It's not comparable to a police officer.
	I filed a couple police reports in the south side of Chicago.
	I'll tell you one thing.
	Nothing was done.
	I'm telling you.
	They're not doing too much down the street.
	Well, I love to.
	I am just saying it.
	Somebody who's filed at least three of them.
	Nobody cares.
	And this has nothing to do with that.
	Nobody cares even.
	So then, how do you say that you know what a police officer in the south side of Chicago goes through or what they're doing?
	I don't think you're having the same conversation as any of us at any point in this entire evening.
	Nothing you have said has happened.
	I don't think so.
	It's a total nonsense.
	You are having a conversation to yourself.
	I think it's got plenty to do with what we're saying.
	Did you answer the question?
	Or no, really quick, coming back to you.
	I'm probably donated $200.
	Nick, we like Tinos on the chat had a vote.
	Please set up the mic number four to drunken mode.
	If that doesn't work, have Gus shoved the pointy side of this German hat down her vocal cords.
	Bathwear.
	Athware!
	Thank you, Dr. Nablus.
	Hold on.
	So, coming back to you really quick.
	So, I don't know if you really answered.
	No, you did.
	So if I snapped my fingers, give you $5 million, you'd still get a career.
	Career 50, 50 years.
	Yeah.
	50.
	Like you wouldn't, you know.
	Have you been to Hawaii?
	I haven't been to Hawaii.
	She lived in San Diego.
	What do you need to go to Hawaii for, San Diego?
	San Diego's like beautiful.
	I'm just saying.
	Like I said, I did an internship.
	The police officers that I've done ride-alongs with, or like the detective that was supervising me, he wasn't in the office 24-7.
	If I gave you $5 million, I wouldn't take it.
	And so over the course of your career, you might not even, over 40, 50-year career, you might not even make that much over the course of a career.
	And if you've got a lot of people, and I have a house, I'm chilling.
	Yeah, but the thing is, especially in this area, you will not be able to afford it on your own.
	And this is another reason why I think people should pair up because fiscally, it's freaking awesome.
	Can you afford it everyone?
	Do you have a house?
	No.
	God, how by myself.
	I have an apartment and I and I'm good.
	That's kind of crazy.
	That's kind of crazy, though, that you wouldn't take five mil.
	I think that's a lot of family dynamics and maybe like history.
	Like, I'm not going to say, but for me, for example, seeing my mom, I'm also first generation.
	You just call your mom right now.
	Yo, mom, this dude on this podcast just offering you five miles.
	You're just stupid.
	Take the fucking money.
	Yeah.
	Offer me five mil.
	Or I could just go ahead and be a housewife.
	Are you an idiot?
	What is strong-willed, like, first-generation, first-college-educated, like, immigrants?
	It's super important to have that autonomy because we saw our parents.
	You don't think $5 million.
	No, I don't.
	I didn't say that.
	But I'm saying she's still young.
	Like, she's still figuring out life.
	I'll fix her.
	But you do have a deeper sense of purpose choosing that.
	Yes.
	Moving on.
	What's your answer to the question?
	My answer would be housewife.
	I got my college education.
	I have my own business, and I could have a thousand, could have 1,000% still be doing what I'm doing and having a successful business without going to college.
	But that being said, there are plenty of career paths that you need to do that.
	Mine in particular, I didn't.
	But yeah, I think that being a housewife would be great.
	That would 1,000% be my option.
	Mason, would you be a housewife?
	If I were a woman, I would definitely be a housewife.
	There you go.
	Yeah, guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever, drops a follow, drops the prime sub.
	If you have one, twitch.tv slash whatever in the chat.
	And guys, get us to 70,000 followers if you can, guys.
	We're so close.
	We're so close.
	I'm going to read a couple chats here.
	We have, actually, Alyssa, can I have you read these?
	Yeah.
	Can the blonde please explain domestic terrorism?
	Does she know who Timothy, how do you say that?
	McVeigh is.
	Quick answer.
	If you can, go ahead.
	Domestic terrorism is when you are arguing with someone and it's a hostile environment.
	One person, it's usually intimate partner, tries to leave the room or leave the conversation.
	The other person is very hostile and following them around to argue and escalate the conversation.
	I do not know Timothy McVay, no.
	Okay.
	And then we have USMC, USMC text.
	And hey, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Alyssa, if you can read it.
	Teacher Appreciation Week, Nurse Appreciation Week, Female Domesticated Jobs.
	Always say they are in the hardest and reach for the most sympathy.
	Where's Mechanic Appreciation Week?
	Sympathy, Leverage, Control.
	Yes.
	That's fair.
	Okay.
	And then we have Woke Go Broke.
	Thank you, man.
	Go ahead, Alyssa.
	Combat War Zone Infantry or ER Nurse, please explain.
	Also, can the blonde.
	Oh, wait, is that the same one?
	No, you can read it.
	Can the blonde in the red dress please tell me who Timothy McVay is?
	I'm thinking, you don't know who Timothy McVeigh is.
	It's orange, but I don't know who Timothy McVeigh is.
	I feel like he probably killed his entire family.
	Yes, something I can't remember, but combat war zone infantry or ER nurse, which is more stressful.
	Combat Warzone, absolutely.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	100%.
	Woke.
	Go broke.
	That is the question.
	Hold on.
	Let me see where we're at here in our notes.
	We went around on that.
	We got everybody's relationship status.
	Oh, I wanted to ask.
	I heard something recently about how women who are on birth control, it can impact the type of men they're attracted to.
	Like women who are on birth control will be more attracted to men who display a bit more feminine characteristics, whereas women who are not on birth control tend to prioritize more masculine characteristics in a partner.
	So just going around the table, is anybody here on birth control starting with you?
	No, I'm not.
	Ever been?
	No.
	I was on birth control for a very long time, like I think close to 10 years.
	I've been off it for about two years.
	I think my mental health improved a lot after I got off it.
	Yeah, I would agree.
	I've been on birth control, and not being on birth control is definitely a very different lifestyle.
	Better.
	I've never been on birth control.
	If somebody asks, I do lie, and I say yes.
	Oh, great.
	Wait, what?
	You lied to the man to say that you're on it?
	Yes, I have.
	So that he could get you pregnant?
	Right.
	Wow.
	But I thought you said you wanted to.
	Yeah, you said you wanted to drown your kids, right?
	So, you know, I have oscillating feelings towards these things.
	Sometimes I'm hot, sometimes I'm cold.
	It depends on what.
	What about you?
	I was on it for a little bit, and I've never been someone who was a depressed person, but after I got on it, it went through a spiral a bit.
	Yeah, definitely so that I stopped.
	You've never been on it?
	I was on it in high school, early college, but I haven't been on it in years.
	All right.
	Rock and roll.
	We got everybody's answers here.
	We are going to go around the table.
	Stiffler's asking a question here.
	Ask the ladies to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten, starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	I would go with six.
	I would say like maybe a five.
	Yeah, six.
	There's no right answer.
	There's no right answer to this question.
	Either people are going to say you're going too low or you're going too high.
	I mean, there's just like the same thing with body count.
	There's just no right answer to that question.
	It's either it's just.
	So that's all I'll say.
	Yeah, I'll also just say six.
	I'll say seven.
	Yeah, I was going to say seven.
	Seven and a half.
	Oh, he only wanted the ladies to answer, but we'll answer.
	I'll give myself some five.
	Five.
	Brian, would you rate us?
	Uh-oh.
	Yeah.
	I know they ask you sometimes.
	I'm curious.
	I'll only rate you on each individually if you are okay with me rating you.
	If you don't want me to rate you, I won't do it.
	But if you're like, go for it, Brian.
	I don't care.
	Yeah, go for it, Brian.
	I think so.
	Don't hurt my feelings.
	So I'll just first I'll just ask if you want to just all if you want a rating.
	Okay.
	Are you sure yes or no?
	You need consent.
	If you don't want it, you can say no.
	Yeah, yeah, it's fine.
	Oh, yeah, sure, fine.
	Yes.
	Sure, have at it.
	Yeah, I'm cool.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	And just before I go, just remind me what you gave yourself, what your rating was.
	Oh, before or after?
	Let's get a sincere answer from you.
	Yeah, that's true.
	You already gave your answers.
	I just forgot all of them.
	Okay, we'll tell you.
	It's up on the bottom.
	Okay, I think, let's see.
	Starting with you.
	Hold on, let me.
	It doesn't have to take that long.
	No, you got to make an assessment here.
	Yeah, I should have just questioned guys.
	Like, it was looks.
	I want to say like a solid, like, 7.5.
	Yeah, I would say that.
	A solid 7.5.
	You.
	It's okay.
	It's okay.
	You're pretty.
	I don't know.
	You have to be.
	You know what?
	When you're more confident, people like you more.
	It's okay.
	I think you wanted, you asked this.
	Yeah, just be honest.
	Okay, I'll give you a 4.5.
	Okay, thank you.
	Yeah, good lord.
	Thank you.
	Hey, I rated myself the same thing, so it doesn't hurt my feelings.
	It's fine.
	I'm trying to be also, you know, there's the age.
	Yes, of course.
	Weight, all that.
	But don't be so hard on yourself.
	I'm not being honest.
	Like 5.5, 6.
	I disagree with what I disagree with what you said.
	Yeah, I disagree.
	4.5.
	Whatever you said, I disagree.
	And you're welcome to it.
	Six.
	I didn't need a rating.
	I think she's like a mount.
	I thought you said yes.
	Yeah, I'm chilling.
	Like, I'm chilling.
	Oh, no, you don't want it.
	I said I'm chilling.
	Like, I'm chilling as an.
	Oh, okay.
	She doesn't want your opinion.
	She's chilling.
	You said yes.
	I was fine.
	Okay, you're fine with it.
	And then five?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Let's go.
	But guess what?
	That's 10s to all the men that like you're going to be able to do it.
	I would absolutely say that many people disagree with the blastie rating.
	That's all I'll have to say.
	Listen, there's people who disagree.
	I know there's people who will disagree with me rating myself that.
	They may think I'm lower.
	They may think I'm higher.
	But I'm honest enough to say that I used to be a lot different.
	Listen, hun, don't be so hard on yourself.
	I'm not.
	Because if you display a lot of confidence in yourself and how you look.
	No, because you said you're like a four or something.
	No, no, no, no.
	But I'm saying, like, being confident doesn't mean you rate yourself something way above what you actually are.
	Being confident means owning who you are.
	No, no, no, no.
	If you say things, then people will start to believe them.
	I'm just saying.
	I love myself as a five.
	I don't know.
	You should be able to give yourself an honest assessment of how I look like.
	Okay, are there things I can do to change that?
	And I know that.
	For me, like when I was in high school, junior high, I wasn't a very good-looking dude.
	So I started getting into the gym and I really invested myself into that because I knew I saw guys who didn't go to the gym and then they turned 30.
	And it's like, I don't want to look like that.
	And then I look at guys who are consistently in the gym, like natural guys who, you know, I'm not going for the crazy, I'm not going to shoot up and become a bodybuilder.
	If you do that, I guess more power to you, but I wouldn't suggest it.
	If I can share it, so for me, I was always very, very thin.
	I definitely, people would have rated me higher.
	I've had people say, what happened to you?
	Well, alcoholism happened to me.
	However, since I've gotten sober, I lost like 50 pounds last year.
	It's something I'm currently working on.
	So you know what?
	Maybe I'll be a five right now.
	Maybe a few months from now, I'll be a six, a seven.
	You know, who knows?
	Exactly.
	The air is all driven out.
	But the thing is, you can be honest about who you are and where you're at.
	And you should be.
	And you should love yourself where you are.
	Because the problem is, and I agree with the men here and Red Pill Logic when they say women are rating themselves way above what they actually are and shooting for people who are like way beyond what they can normally get.
	And it's causing them to not be realistic in relationships.
	I think that's a blanket statement I don't agree with either.
	It's not women.
	I think some women.
	Not all women, no, but in general, in general terms, when you're going off the dating apps and social media, et cetera, there is a tendency in women to have an over-inflated sense of self when they are in their prime.
	And I'll tell you, for me, social media gave me access to men that I would not normally ever be able to get.
	And my body, I'm in my 20s and all of that.
	And I had nothing to really offer them.
	I had an over-inflated sense of self, and I see it all the time in young women.
	And then what happens?
	You hit my age, and reality hits.
	And then you've really got to be honest with yourself about where you're at.
	Yeah, I think there's like this natural system that falls into place.
	And when I was in college, one of my classes, we did this exercise.
	Basically, you got a number and you had to put it on your forehead and you had to walk around and try to get the highest number that you could.
	And it was so interesting because you didn't know what you were necessarily, but you had to go based off what other people did.
	And by the end of it, all of us were naturally paired to a number just below or just above us because you're like, okay, I walk up to a 10 and I'm like, can we pair?
	And they're like, no.
	What is that?
	What was it based on like your looks?
	No, it was the number.
	Just the number.
	It was like the objective metric of, hey, I want a high number with me.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	So I'm just saying that naturally, generally speaking, naturally, you will pair off with someone that's equitable in looks and all the other departments.
	I think that's just kind of naturally what humans do.
	Whether we want to acknowledge it or not, we judge ourselves based on how other people see us.
	Oh, of course we do.
	One, that puts emphasis on who we surround ourselves with.
	So I'm going to surround myself with men who are really intent upon making me a better man.
	They're going to be there to tell me, hey, Mason, you're letting go of yourself.
	Get it back to you.
	Get it together.
	Get into the gym.
	Do your thing.
	Or, hey, I'm slacking off at work.
	Hey, Mason, what are you doing?
	You want to provide for a family?
	You're not going to be able to do that if you're doing this.
	It's like, those are the guys I want to surround myself with.
	So I surround myself with high-value people.
	And that's wonderful, but I think the reality is most people are not doing that.
	Well, it's because they live in the world.
	They do not have their values set.
	They are not surrounding themselves with good influence.
	They live in this world where they think I deserve everything because I am incredible.
	Yes, exactly.
	Yes, you have value, but you need to live in reality.
	I do think you can increase the value.
	You can increase your ranking.
	Well, if I can say, maybe I look the way I look and I'm not the hottest thing in the world anymore or ever was, but I would say, see, this is the one thing I do disagree with the podcast or Red Pill about: is that women, maybe their beauty is not what it was as they get older.
	However, what I have grown and my personality and my ability to love and give and be kind and caring and nurturing and generous, that has only grown with age and my wisdom that I've attained from it.
	So I think looks-wise value, sure, you know, it's where it's at, but there's more inherent value that can grow in you as you age.
	But I think the reality is most people are just not disagree with that statement.
	Yeah, no, but we want, we, as men, we put a higher value on somebody who is younger because there are multiple factors.
	Oh, I know.
	They're able to family.
	So it's family, but it's also there's a lot less baggage that will probably just by a number of years.
	Okay, someone who is 20 years old is probably going to have less baggage than someone who is 35, 40.
	Of course.
	Generally speaking, you can make that assumption.
	They'll also have a lot less wisdom.
	Yeah, that's what I think.
	A lot less conflict resolution.
	That's not necessarily true.
	Well, I think, okay, I'm.
	I think life experience begs to differ.
	I will say the majority of people who have baggage do not do the work on themselves to actually get to a point where they're not.
	That comes into play with how you see yourself.
	I think this activity, rating yourself on one to 10, is a really good microcosm to figure out how you are evaluating yourself.
	If you're being realistic or if you're being delusional, am I going to keep myself accountable?
	So it's asking yourself the question: so, in a relationship, what are the things I need to work on?
	Because my partner is identifying these things.
	Hey, you're really combative.
	You're subverting leadership.
	You are undercutting me at every corner.
	It's those things.
	When you can step back and objectively measure yourself and say, okay, I'm a six.
	But then you can also step back and say, hey, there are these things in this relationship that I'm not very good at.
	I need to work on.
	And hey, I want my partner to help me tackle that.
	And someone who can't objectively say, I'm a six, is probably not going to be able to take that bigger leap and say, I have this personality characteristic that is undesirable.
	Well, what I'll say for me, like being in recovery, the one thing that I'm so grateful for is that you do a lot of work on yourself about your character flaws and all the things that led you there.
	So working on those things, like when I was in my 20s, my mid-20s, and I was flying here and there with this guy, that guy, whatever I was doing, like an idiot, I didn't value myself very much in a sense, but I did overvalue myself.
	And I really looked at what I could get from relationships.
	Whereas now in my 30s, I focus so much more on what I have to give someone than what I can actually get out of it.
	So I feel like it is possible, like you were saying, to do the work on yourself, to turn your baggage into wisdom and learned experience.
	But I think a lot of people are not doing that.
	I think every man wants a beautiful mid to call his own.
	What?
	Okay, boy.
	Okay.
	Anyway.
	I think there's a combination of like the bystander effect where people are not really like actively, proactively giving feedback to people in their circle and being like, hey, your sets have been shit this week.
	Okay, I'm just letting you know we go to the gym at the same time and you're slacking or you're super gassed.
	What are you doing with your nutrition?
	But there's also a difference between like being entitled versus being empowered.
	And people are getting that confused and they're just going through the route of like, I'm going to be entitled because I look a certain way, because I get a certain number of likes because I have hacked the algorithm or whatever, you know, the cat is generally you generally see that not with men.
	You see that with women more often than not.
	And I'm not saying that's good, bad.
	I think it's a backlash from like insecurity.
	Yeah.
	Women are much less secure than men in general in looks department because men know there's a saying in Romanian, he can be a little bit cuter than the devil.
	And that's like the rough translation, which basically translates to women care more about like, it's the psychology behind it.
	This financial stability, also the emotional stability.
	Is he a safe person?
	Does he want to provide and like create the house where I can be safe and be in my feminine energy and things like that?
	Women put a lot more on that, whereas men are, I mean, biologically wired to look at looks.
	Are her hips of childbearing proportions?
	You know, does she look healthy?
	Doesn't her skin clean biologically?
	Isn't it accurate that women are much more picky when it comes to looks than men?
	I think that's a modern thing.
	I don't know.
	Exactly.
	No, it's not a modern thing because for like for centuries, for eons and eons, like men have chased that sexual urge that's their natural biological instinct.
	So, yeah, I just don't think that's like a modern take on it either.
	They're saying the opposite.
	They're saying that women are more picky, but that's what I'm saying.
	I'm saying they're more picky when it comes to looks.
	Oh, yes, and men are not because men are pursuing the sex and they just absolutely aren't.
	Men have a specific hormone pumping through their body that makes them not care nearly as much.
	Exactly.
	Sorry, I was shouting there.
	Also, speaking, I think it came up earlier on in the conversation.
	Speaking of, you know, you're mentioning how women have these like insane standards that they have to, you know, beauty standards, etc.
	Yeah.
	And I was actually, you know, a little devil's advocate here.
	I can actually make a very compelling argument that the corresponding male beauty standards are actually, you know, if we're talking about the, shoot, there's a specific word for it that's evading me right now.
	But the male beauty standards are actually far more difficult to attain and achieve than because for a lot of people.
	Anybody disagree?
	Disagree.
	I want to hear your complaints.
	I disagree.
	Honestly, I disagree.
	Because a man is, you don't have to be that hot.
	You just have to have to have charisma.
	You have to have, you know, yes, men can make up for their deficiencies in perhaps certain ways that women can't.
	But when it comes strictly to physical appearance, if we are talking about physical attraction, most women rate, I think the study or the statistics on this are most women rate like 80% of men as unattractive.
	And like this is evidence.
	But why, though?
	Yes, so what?
	That's why I said I disagree because I feel like the comparable to like apples to apples, whereas, you know, for women, it's the looks, but for men, I feel like the heightened, you know, expectation in society is like they've got to make at least six figures and they've got to have a house and they've got to do this and they need to pay all of our bills and my money's my money and his money is our money.
	And like, I think that's maybe where I would agree more with like the unrealistic expectations and standards in today's society, but not necessarily in looks.
	I think for like women though, we can easily go to like a salon or whatever and get our nails done, our makeup done, our hair done.
	We can change a lot about ourselves.
	We have all these options, but like men can't grow taller.
	Men can't, you know, not.
	Haircut makes a big difference.
	Yeah, have you ever seen a man have tattooed hair on his bald head?
	Like they're doing stuff too.
	There are barbershops.
	They can do, but I would say it is probably harder for men to attain those standards.
	However, I will say a lot of men just kind of don't put in, like I put in a lot of effort.
	You know, maybe some men don't like the effort I put in, but I put in a lot of effort to like look presentable.
	A lot of men just kind of show up and I feel like they don't agree with that.
	I don't know if maybe it's in Canada because I'm looking through the apps and on the street and I'm just like, I feel like I'm doing a lot.
	My counter to that would be, well, what are all the things that men need to do in order to be attractive to women?
	Like he has to work on, he could have to work on himself for years.
	Whereas you say, oh, well, I got to spend the next 30 minutes in front of the fucking mirror.
	I think if a guy's funny, it goes a long way.
	Oh, yeah, like I totally agree.
	Like, I say this, but in a sense.
	For me, like, what I would like in a guy, I just want him to maybe take care of himself in the sense that he's like well-groomed.
	I don't care so much about his height.
	I don't care so much about his weight.
	Like, I'm not picky.
	I want a man who's relatively average, even in his income.
	I just prefer someone above average attitude.
	Above average.
	That's all I'm looking for.
	Someone with a great attitude.
	And so I'm saying, like, there are women out there who prefer that.
	It's not like we're like, you've got to do X, Y, Z, but a lot of women.
	I'm not really interested in speaking about outliers.
	Yeah, no, it is an outlier.
	That's true.
	It is true.
	But I'm just saying I'd rather speak in generalities because I could talk, we could have a conversation about, well, what are the dating, what's the dating meta of like, you know, if you're, if you have dwarfism, we could talk about it.
	I just don't think it's really productive to have a, well, what if you're a dwarf?
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, I just, I guess I just don't, because I feel like a lot of people who consume this content, and it is very like intriguing and insightful, but I feel like sometimes it's, it's so, maybe it's real, but it's very negative.
	And I just, I don't want people to feel like there's not negative.
	Because it may be truthful, but I just feel like when you consume content that just constantly tells you that like women are all after your money, essentially, and men can never do enough to please a woman.
	No, but it's when you're saying that like, you know, there's men have to do way more to impress a woman and all these things.
	That's factually true.
	Generally, I'm saying the reason I said it is because it's not always true.
	And I know you hate the outliers, but I just want people to know there is something that's not.
	So, okay, if I can concede that it's not always true, can you concede?
	100%.
	So I guess I just wasted your time.
	I forgot what the question was.
	Yeah, I was just about to ask, what was your original thought?
	One time I watched dwarf porn and I felt really bad afterwards.
	Thank you for sharing though.
	Thank you.
	I was just saying.
	So what was the original thought?
	Well, my position was that even speaking strictly when it comes to physical appearance, I actually think there are far more stringent beauty.
	Beauty is not the perfect word, but beauty, let's just say.
	Physical beauty.
	There's far more stringent beauty standards on men than the reverse.
	For example, here's one example.
	And we can actually show you a couple things, but I would argue that when it comes to body fat percentage, which is just one metric that people typically use for finding somebody attractive, I would say that the acceptable body fat percentage range in terms of body types that men will find attractive versus the reverse, it's much more wider in women.
	So women can fall within a much greater diversity when it comes to body fat.
	Like a man can like a woman with a low body fat percentage, you know, thin, athletic, boom, boom, boom, all the way to like thick.
	Actually, most men don't like women with low body fat because they feel like it looks too masculine even.
	Well, okay.
	And then when I say healthy, you're saying the range.
	Healthy range.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Healthy range.
	I think the, I mean, just anatomically, like if you learned anything about like anatomy and physiology, women naturally inherently have, hover around a 20 to 30 percent body fat range.
	That's just naturally where we are, especially as we age.
	Men, only super athletes are like 6% body fat.
	So the average is somewhere closer to like six, you know, 10 to 16%.
	But it displaces and it places differently on men than on women because women are childbearing.
	We have like fat cells that are there for storage for like, you know, whenever you're breastfeeding and you're having a baby and your body's preparing for that.
	So it's just a different, I think just a different composition is what it is.
	It's not just numbers.
	Sorry, but I think the reason that like men have maybe a wider range of what they will go for is because men are looking for something that women are looking for something different.
	The men are usually looking for a sex partner even subconsciously.
	They're being driven by their natural biological urges, which is driven by attraction and sex.
	So they're why do they want sex biologically?
	Because they were born that way by the heart.
	Because they want to procreate.
	Yes, exactly.
	That's what I'm saying.
	That's an intellectual wiring.
	But that's why I'm saying that like men will have a wider range of what they will find physically acceptable because they have an urge to procreate.
	So they're going to take maybe what they're doing.
	Women also have an urge to procreate.
	Oh, yeah, they do.
	But I'm saying that women are less driven by sex and attraction.
	So they're more still looking for like generally a relationship or that kind of thing.
	I just think that's why women are looking for something a little bit different.
	They're more specific about what they want whereas men are like...
	I don't actually think that that's even true.
	I think what ends up happening, are you familiar?
	I'm assuming that since you've seen the show, you're familiar with the term hypergamy.
	Yes.
	So here's what I think ends up happening.
	It's not that there's a lack of men that are not willing to commit to women.
	Here's what I think the major thing is that, and this relates to your position on promiscuity, how you think that, well, actually, promiscuity, like the promiscuity in women, is actually kind of men.
	Men are, you know, to sort of blame, basically.
	No, no, no, that's not at all what I said.
	Okay, well, we can get into that later.
	But when it comes to hypergamy, so what ends up happening is there are plenty of men that are willing to be in relationships with women.
	However, they tend to be, they're mostly entirely invisible to women.
	They're overlooked because women are hyper-focusing on the most attractive men.
	The most attractive men, the most desirable men get all the attention.
	Yeah.
	All the attention.
	And these men have no, there's no reason for them to commit very minimal substances.
	There's no reason for them to commit.
	They can get all the women.
	But the women want those men for commitment, but they're not going to commit.
	Yes, I totally agree with you on that.
	I understand that.
	On the flip side is true as well.
	It is true because, I mean, I had men when I was saying that men will also seek out the Instagram fitness model, body type, and whatnot.
	A lot of them, I'm not throwing blanket statements, but that's what the general, we're talking generalities.
	Generally speaking, men have told me, oh, I don't like plastic surgery.
	Fake tits are great when they're covered, but not when they're uncovered.
	And I'm like, okay, then why are you so attracted to so many women that have triple D's?
	I don't think the argument that Brian's trying to make is men don't find super attractive women super attractive.
	No, but that they flock.
	That they flock.
	Just like he's saying women.
	What he's saying is that most women will only seek relationship from a higher tier of man.
	So like attractiveness, wealth.
	So like athlete, celebrity, actor, something like that.
	Why shouldn't women be in charge of who gets to procreate?
	Why shouldn't women be in charge of who gets procreated?
	Trying to make an argument.
	I understand you want to butt in, but just let me finish what I'm going to do.
	Well, that's the whole point of the thing.
	Everybody knows it's not, right?
	Go ahead.
	No, just let me finish.
	So, but men, conversely, yeah, we will recognize that super attractive women are super attractive.
	But we are going to be willing to find relationships with people who are on our level or sometimes below.
	I would agree with that.
	We're much more, yeah.
	We have a higher proclivity to do that.
	I think with time and with age, that changes for women.
	I think like this whole thing, like when you're younger, yeah, like I totally agree.
	There's like this whole like, and it goes back to life experience, like your life experience is a little, you know, younger men or boys, they're pumped with testosterone.
	They really don't care.
	Like they just, you know, they see a cute girl, like they want to talk to her or whatever, right?
	But as you get older, like I actually, as I was gaining, I felt really naive.
	And I actually had a question for you because I wondered if you, if you feel at all, sometimes when you go out on the dating scene, more naive than maybe like other people that have just had like free rein in dating to just like go explore self-discovery, like experience, learn through fails, walking in walls, things like that.
	Like I found myself pretty naive with like, oh, these men look attractive.
	And then, you know, the natural inclination is: well, I want the Abercrombie and Fitch looking guy, right?
	But then you start realizing that literally, I started actually not engaging with the men that look like gym rats or that they're obsessive with like, you know, the gym because they're not going to give the quality of relationship and emotional connection that someone that doesn't dedicate all of their time to physical aspects, but that comes with time and like life experience.
	So, to answer that question, I think I came to that realization without having to go through the hard experience.
	I think I'm a rare bird when it comes to that.
	I think you can come to that realization.
	I'm going to give credit where credit is due with my parents.
	They taught me from their own experience.
	Sounds like they were really transparent with you, which is also something that's not super common.
	They were transparent with the lessons they learned and kind of where those came from.
	But my dad, I don't really know what went on between the ages of like 18 to 30.
	Because he doesn't want you to know.
	Well, yeah.
	He doesn't want to give you any bad ideas.
	Like, you started out.
	So it's bad ideas.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But all I know, it was not very good.
	But all of the lessons that they taught me by their own exam, like own marriage, I saw how they interacted with each other.
	I thought it was incredible.
	That's kind of where I learned all of that stuff from.
	So I don't really think it's necessary to go through the experience.
	I think the experience will generally bring baggage, and baggage means more problems and I didn't ask if it was necessary.
	I asked, do you sometimes feel more naive on the dating scene, especially the model?
	Like, do you ever feel like, man, I was really duped?
	Like, it's happened, of course, because first you really.
	You really give someone the benefit of the doubt, and then you're like, yeah, that was a lot of people.
	But I think you're probably less likely to do that if you have the right values to begin with.
	Like, you are less likely to fall for those scenarios.
	This is such a non-sequitur.
	Like, I appreciate the question, but you've totally derailed the conversation that was actually at hand.
	How did we go from non-sequituring?
	What I want to say about the original conversation is this: I will agree that when I was younger, I did overlook good men because I was chasing something that seemed better and not just in terms of appearance, but in terms of what they could offer me.
	I'm not talking finance.
	I've never asked for people to spend their money on me, but they could give a better access to a better life, in a sense.
	And so I certainly overlooked good men to pursue something that probably was way above what I could qualify for.
	Those men were dating down, I think.
	They had looser standards than I had.
	I had higher standards, and I was certainly trying to date above what I was probably qualified for.
	And I'm sure I have missed many good men, or at least a few good men, along the way.
	So it certainly does happen.
	And it's a regret that I have.
	And I do wish people would stop putting like materialism and attraction as the number one thing to chase after because there's plenty of good people around us.
	We just don't see them because we don't value them or what they bring to the table.
	So I agree.
	I mean, I know what you're saying.
	I know guys in particular, there's a guy that goes to my church.
	I'm not going to name him, but he's not very, he's not very talkative.
	He's very introverted.
	He's an incredibly smart man.
	He has a very good job.
	He's kind of like to himself.
	He's a manly dude, but no girl will talk to him because he's not super charismatic.
	He's not super like, he doesn't make it takes longer to get to know him.
	He's an incredible guy, but it takes investment to get to that point where you realize, oh, geez, this guy has some serious depth.
	He is a high-quality dude.
	He's easy to talk to, but it's like you have to get to that stage instead of clouding your judgment with, oh, he makes me feel really good right now.
	Eventually, the feelings are going to go away.
	They'll dissolve.
	And I think that's something that's a problem with most dating relationships.
	But it is most of those guys, those super high-quality guys, might not have all of those flashy attributes.
	But I care about that.
	I think that happens naturally as a woman gets older.
	Yeah.
	Because it could be experience, but it also.
	Hold on, I'm sorry.
	We're going to redirect.
	Can you put this?
	Amount of work required to look good.
	Women, nothing, just don't eat like a fucking hippo every single day.
	Men, years of hard work at the gym, many times a week and a strict diet with enough proteins and little fats and sugars.
	Okay, first off, I like to try to be charitable.
	I do think that this isn't a perfect comparison.
	Like, the woman, granted, the woman on the left, I would argue, like, the vast majority of men would find her body type attractive.
	Whereas, I mean, maybe a more fair comparison, the woman should have been a bit more fit.
	But like.
	You can't be fit if you don't eat, though.
	That's more of like anorexic looking, which would align with like nothing.
	Are you thinking?
	Do you think that's true?
	What do you mean, what's true?
	Like, do you, the photo?
	What are you disagreeing with?
	Do you think that it's easier for women to have a more attractive physique than it is?
	100%.
	100%.
	For a woman to have, let's just talk body.
	Let's remove face from this.
	Yes, absolutely.
	For a woman to have a body which is deemed attractive by the vast majority of men.
	Okay.
	Can I ask anyone?
	You need not ever even exercise or step foot in the gym.
	It helps, but it's never necessary.
	Now, a man who has absolutely no muscular development.
	How do you know this?
	Have you been in a woman's body?
	Oh, geez, God.
	Yeah, before he was born, as he was conceived.
	I haven't.
	See, he has been in a woman's body.
	I don't know if that's a great argument.
	Yeah, different contexts.
	I mean, this is just like a dumb comment.
	That's fair.
	That's fair.
	But yeah, like, I mean, okay, we can just look at it from the perspective of, like, who are they casting in superhero roles?
	Like, if we're talking about beauty standards, we'd look to media.
	Okay, the women in media versus the men in media.
	So if we look at superhero roles, if we look at Wonder Woman and Scarlett Johansson, she's, I don't know who the fuck she plays, but I don't really watch that kind of shit.
	But you look at their body types and compare it to their male.
	Hold on.
	But you compare it to their male leading actor or celebrity.
	These males are like, they have to treat the gym like a full-time job.
	Some of them are, a lot of them take steroids to achieve the beauty standard.
	However, what I will say to that.
	Whereas women need not take steroids.
	But the women do too.
	Like you're talking about Wonder Woman.
	You're talking about Black Widow, Scarlett Johannes.
	They're all working out.
	I'm feeling like an entire dynamic.
	You have to literally hit protein goals as a woman too.
	This is a good thing.
	Because metabolically, your hormones really get in the way.
	This goes back to your thing with the, well, the nurse versus the cop.
	I'm not saying it's easy.
	No, but you're saying.
	But you did say that.
	You said that it's easier for women, but it's not because metabolically it's not.
	We are prone to adding more fat to our bodies through our hormones to bear children.
	This is why I wanted to add.
	Men have more testosterone naturally in their metabolism, which burns fat.
	This is why I wanted to say that.
	It's still harder to achieve the ideal, idealized.
	Because you put up a picture of like six packs and whatever, but then you put a woman that has basically no muscular definition.
	But if I go to the gym and I want muscular definition, I have to hit protein goals and go to the gym just as much, if not more.
	We will be more charitable with the photos then.
	More reasonable.
	I will grant you that the comparison from the meme, although it is trying to sort of articulate the point, I actually think it's true.
	The photos used are not the ideal, most ideal, but we do have some other photos that we can pull up.
	So, Nick, go into the Dropbox folder, go into the beauty standards folder.
	We're going to do, let's see, we'll do some of the superheroes.
	So, pull up, why don't you pull up?
	There's pull up Wonder Woman.
	She's got massive thighs.
	She has to work out for those.
	Wonder Woman has Gal Gado has massive thighs.
	I'm not saying, like, when I say massive, I'm not saying like fat or whatever.
	I'm saying she has muscle.
	Nick, don't even drag it over.
	We're just going to look at all of them.
	So, click the first one and we're going to view it in the photo viewer.
	Does that make sense?
	Oh, okay.
	We'll just, and then I think you can use the mouse buttons to like sort through them.
	You mean like this, basically?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	We'll just go through all of them.
	And can you just double-check that you're able to mouse through them?
	Or not mouse, arrow on the keyboard.
	We'll get it.
	Okay, and then get the men ready to go right after.
	And then we'll do thin men, thin woman comparison.
	Okay, so let me know when you have that.
	While you do that, let me see.
	I don't have any chat, so we're good on that.
	Front.
	Hold on, what did I have here?
	You have the photo?
	You have them both?
	Oh, I just have the women up.
	You want me to get them?
	Just have it ready.
	Oh, actually.
	I don't know if I can.
	Okay, that's fine.
	We'll just go through women, then we'll go through men.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, so, can you go F11?
	All right, this is Gal Gado, the woman with the.
	She's pretty thin.
	She's thin there, but that's not what she looks like in Wonder Woman.
	She's like, she's actually fit in Wonder Woman because it was a very athletic role.
	They go through waxes and Wayne's too.
	I mean, this is the exact actress we're talking about.
	So pull her up as Wonder Woman and see what her body looks like.
	Go to Google, image search, Wonder Woman, Gal Gado.
	You can do like this one.
	I don't think it's necessary, but we'll do it.
	I mean, for an athletic role, just like men, women prepare for a little bit of a distance.
	But she's not a gender.
	We're at the display.
	We'll get her men.
	Hold on.
	We'll get there.
	Wonder Woman Galgado.
	I thought the question was like we're comparing how much effort it takes, not how they look.
	Right?
	That's what we're looking at.
	But their looks, but you can tell by how much effort is in there.
	She's probably about the same.
	Scroll down, Nick.
	Let's see, because she's mentioning the leg muscular development.
	There's Leg.
	Yeah, you talked about Black Widow.
	You talked like.
	I think she's probably about the same.
	Yeah, I don't think that other photo was really expertise.
	I feel like she's probably about in the same shape.
	That one?
	She doesn't look as thin as she did in that other photo.
	I'm sorry.
	I disagree.
	It's pretty similar.
	I mean, it's very similar.
	Scroll back up, Nick.
	Can you do full body?
	Wait.
	That was somebody else, I think.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, they probably got look-alikes.
	Okay.
	That's not her and that full body one.
	Sure.
	Yeah, I mean, she looks like she's done yoga a couple times.
	That's it.
	She's not like fitness models.
	Look at her arm down there on Prompt Hunt right there.
	Look at that muscle she actually has on her shoulder.
	Bro, you just can't take the other one.
	That's not future.
	I refuse because I know how I have had five babies come through my body, and I know how much effort it takes to actually get your hormones in balance, work out, and have muscle mass.
	That's irrelevant to the conversation.
	No, it's so relevant because I'm a woman, and you're saying that it's so much easier for us to compare to certain bodies.
	He didn't say, though, that it's easy.
	He said that it's easier.
	Let's compare a childless woman to a childless man.
	Well, are we on birth control?
	Is she not on birth control?
	Does she have enough control?
	You always want to make the argument to the outlier.
	I thought discussion was like part of the meaning for this.
	We're going to go through all of these.
	Okay.
	Next.
	All right.
	That's still Gal Godot.
	Next.
	This is Scarlett Johansson.
	Next.
	Gal Godot again.
	Next.
	I think this is Brie Larson.
	Next.
	Okay, Brie Larson.
	Who plays Captain Marvel, and that's not how she looks.
	I mean, like, I'm a lot of this.
	This is her salaries where I should sound like this.
	Yes, it's probably her.
	Yeah.
	Like, a lot of those photos are.
	Holy shit, next.
	Honestly, yeah, like a lot of people.
	There's Gal Gado for these roles.
	These women probably don't have to go through nearly as much effort.
	Gal Godot.
	I have voices.
	They can pick up these same movies, dude.
	Are we talking about Hollywood or are we talking about in general?
	Because I thought this was a general statement.
	Like, we're talking generally.
	The question was: Hold on, let's get through these next.
	Scarlett Johansson, Scarlett Johansson, Scarlett Johansson, Scarlett Johansson.
	These body types we've shown you are achievable by the vast majority of women.
	They just, there's perhaps some physical training, but it's mostly can be achieved through dieting.
	I mean, I just can't be achieved through dieting.
	I did hardly anything at the gym last year, and I lost 50 pounds.
	I am very active.
	I work out a lot.
	And if I could snap my fingers and look like that, I would.
	But I'm above average in the activity level of most people my age, probably, and I still don't look like that.
	And I do you like I would say I eat pretty well.
	Well, you have to be in a caloric death.
	So even if you're active, eating is being active doesn't contribute nearly as much to your body composition as diet does.
	I would agree.
	I would agree with that.
	Yeah, even I'm just saying I am the right person.
	I'm saying, yeah, being active, that's a great thing.
	I am the last person that will say being active is you shouldn't be active.
	But if you want to change your body composition, how much fat you have, your weight, it's all 90% diet.
	Yes, I lost 50 pounds last year, and I'm telling you, I literally did not have to do hardly anything at the gym to do it.
	I just changed it.
	But you should cut out alcohol and algae.
	Yeah, but no, no, no.
	I cut out alcohol for a year.
	How much were you drinking?
	Three liters of wine a day or a liter and a half of gin a day.
	Can you get it quick?
	Can I just say I cut out alcohol for a year and did not lose one pound in that time?
	It wasn't until my second year that I started working out losing weight.
	I just think Brian's saying that it would be easy to achieve physique.
	He says, hold on, we're doing a comparison of actors who have leading roles in superhero movies, which we can argue that this is conceivably, we're talking about beauty standards.
	And in this case, I do agree with you.
	Can I say one thing?
	I know you're not going to like it.
	Let me just get through this.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay, you tell me when.
	Okay, so this is what's this guy's name?
	Chris Evans.
	Chris Evans.
	Okay.
	This is Liam Hemsworth, Chris Pratt.
	A little more achievable on Chris Pratt.
	Okay, Wolverine, this body type, I'm pretty sure he uses steroids.
	First of all, naturally, unachievable for 99% of women.
	Naturally, that body right there, it would take probably 10 years of work of like dedicated work.
	I've probably spent the last six years consistently training.
	I run 20 miles a week.
	I lift a lot of weight.
	I'm in the gym constantly.
	And I have nothing near that.
	No, you're pretty good, right?
	Like, I mean, well, you guys are like in love with each other or something.
	He's probably on the cut, like, dehydrated.
	So he's like extremely touched up a little bit, but whatever.
	Right, but this is what they should show.
	Well, this is what you get.
	And I don't think girls expect that.
	This is what I want to say.
	Female female sales.
	What do you guys kiss?
	Next.
	Okay, Jason Moa.
	Okay, next.
	Next.
	Michael B. Jordan.
	And a lot of these Hollywood guys also have like, there's that new like plastic surgery for the six-pack situation and things like in their actual rocket actor.
	Yeah, next.
	Next.
	Next.
	And then unachievable.
	All these physiques are absolutely unachievable by the average man.
	Whereas those body types, you can go to the beach and see some chick looking just like the A-list movie stars that you see in the movies.
	Yes, I had that body 10 years ago.
	So yes, it was super easy.
	I did nothing to achieve it.
	I'll agree with you.
	But what I will say, and I know you're not going to like this because I'm pretty sure people have said this on here before, is that I don't think the vast majority of women, that may be what the media portrays, but when I've spoken to women in real life over and over, they generally prefer like dad bod types.
	They're not going for these superficials.
	For me, fitness is like literally on the top of the list because if you're not driven on your own to be fit, to be healthy, to eat healthy, then why?
	I'm not going to sit around and police you as a grown person.
	And statistically speaking, a waist circumference of over 35 inches, I believe it is.
	I can't remember, is like 50% higher cardiovascular event.
	So are you going to measure your future?
	Okay, stop, stop, stop.
	The aspirational body type for men and women, if we're comparing the aspirational body type, so this would be kind of like, it doesn't have to be like the ultimate 10 out of 10, fucking maxed out to the, just like pretty close to the ideal.
	Like, you're 80% of the way there.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Is very achievable for most women.
	Whereas for men, you're going to need some combination of like full-time dedication to the gym, like elite-level genetics, or steroid intervention.
	Yes, I agree with you.
	To achieve that level of muscularity.
	Yeah.
	And it's not fair.
	I agree with you.
	Right.
	But this whole trope of my beauty standards, it's so hard as a woman because it's a lot of beauty standards.
	This is the thing.
	It's hard for both people.
	I fully recognize that men have it bad.
	I love men.
	I appreciate what they bring to the table.
	And I realize right now, especially in society, they're getting shit on all the time.
	And they have these unrealistic standards.
	I totally understand that.
	But that doesn't say that, oh, women do not also have pressures on themselves.
	Also, I'm saying that it's both, both.
	And we can't, we didn't sit here and have this war of like, oh, who's more oppressed?
	Who's who's got more issues that are higher, harder to achieve and whatever.
	And it's like, we all have shit we're dealing with.
	So we can all be a little bit more compassionate, understanding to each other.
	Right.
	No, but what are we getting at this?
	The issue is what's the goal?
	So, the issue is, when men present, hey, there is, whether it's good, bad, whatever, we're presenting an inequality or something that women hold us to a higher standard than they would themselves.
	The immediate response is usually, well, I have it hard too.
	Yeah, see, but I didn't say any of that.
	I'm not saying you came immediately back with I have it hard time.
	He is bringing out stuff that I said pre-show to make it seem like I'm somehow challenging this argument.
	I'm not.
	I feel for men.
	Well, it's usually so when men bring something like this up, it's usually met with a belittling comment.
	I would agree in general circumstances, yes.
	Okay, so but that's like pretty much all of the conversations we've had here where there's been a disagreement where we try to put something forward where men struggle with this at a disproportionate amount, it's usually met with a belittling comment.
	Yes, and I think if we're going to try to sit back and assess, just like we talked about before with your appearance, we should sit back, assess, put ourselves in the other person's shoes, and realize, hey, shoot, men really do have this particular thing very difficult.
	Maybe I need to change how I look at them.
	Most women are unable to do that.
	Yes, and I like I fully agree with you.
	I have had that self-assessment, and actually, this may sound crazy, but I feel like this show has helped me in preparation.
	Like, for months, I've been listening to this podcast.
	I've seen things from a different side, a different point of view.
	I think most women are not listening to men when they bring it up.
	Just make an argument.
	Just make an argument.
	What?
	What am I supposed to argue with when I agree with what you're saying?
	I'm not trying to be rude, but you're kind of just prattling.
	I agree with you.
	I can't.
	What do you want me to do?
	There's all this like extra, like, feel good.
	Just make an argument.
	I don't have an argument against that.
	You're just kind of, no offense, you're just kind of like speaking to speak.
	No.
	Like, make a coherent point.
	Okay, everyone else can speak.
	I'm not allowed to agree with you.
	No, it's just like you have to add on like so much.
	No, okay, then I'll stop talking.
	Like, that's fine.
	Can I say something about like just the like to the point of like men taking this many years and like oscillating?
	MK donated $200.
	Can we turn off the mic for number two?
	She's been talking more than every other girl combined.
	Also, wake up my queen in the shades.
	She's the most beautiful one on the panel.
	Do you want to get married?
	Is that the pilot?
	That might be a pilot.
	Everyone is welcome to speak, so everyone can speak.
	Actions speak so much louder than you.
	Thank you.
	MK.
	Cool.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, so I mean, look, I appreciate the back and forth, but it's just like not really hearing an argument.
	It's just like, well, I agree with you, but, you know, there are women.
	It's like a kumbaya session.
	Like, oh, yeah.
	Well, I'm sorry.
	I'm not an argumentative bitch.
	I'm not going to talk about it.
	I'm going to move it on.
	I will point out, we got one more thing to get through.
	We're going to go through a comparison.
	Thin women versus thin men.
	We'll do women first, then we'll do men.
	We love our sprawny men.
	There you go.
	Sprawny men.
	All right.
	So I'm just going to, actually, I want to just go through this, make sure everything's kosher here.
	So I think it's all fun.
	We'll just go through.
	There's like 14, so we'll just blast through.
	Okay, we've got a skinny woman, skinny woman.
	I would argue that a lot of men, despite these women, not really, you know, some of them have a little, you know, your body fat gets low enough, you're going to have like some abs showing a little bit, even if you don't work out.
	But these women don't look particularly like trained or anything.
	Maybe they do a little bit, but they're not, you know, that's what we like to call skinny fat.
	No, I don't think these women are even skinny fat.
	They're just thin, I would argue, healthy body fat.
	Now, Nick, pull up the men.
	Now, these are just untrained, thin men.
	And I would argue the untrained, thin male, thin man body.
	Most women, like most men, if we compare, like going back to the women that we just saw, most men, I would argue 80, 90% of men will be like, those women are hot, they're sexy, they're attractive.
	Looking at the men who have not stepped foot in a gym, most likely, I would argue most women are going to be like, damn, that's, I'm not attracted to that guy based off his body.
	Go ahead, next.
	Average male body, average, untrained male body, average, thin.
	This guy's a bit more on the thin side.
	I would love him.
	Great.
	Thin male.
	Thin male, untrained.
	Another twink.
	I would argue that most women would.
	Let's pull down his body.
	This is not like.
	What's up?
	Like, these body types are like the average thin male.
	I would argue that most women, they're not.
	Ooh, consterving.
	Next.
	That's it.
	I would argue, comparatively speaking, that there will be more men that find those women that we just looked at attractive than there will be women who find those men physically attractive, just on body.
	Just on body.
	Comparable FSA.
	You're saying if they're naked, basically, if they're at the beach, pretty much.
	Because you can't really tell when someone's wearing like a clothing and stuff.
	Okay, the photos we just looked at.
	I would argue that the majority of men would find those women to have perfectly acceptable, attractive, sexy bodies.
	Yeah, but men will fuck a fucking McChicken.
	They would be.
	Okay, fine.
	They'll literally fuck anything.
	I'll take it even beyond casual sex.
	They would happily be in a relationship with these women too, based off of just how they look.
	I think it goes both ways because a woman can improve their body.
	Like a fit man, if he sees a thin woman, he's like, she can go to the gym and she can build.
	Of course not.
	Same with a woman that sees a thin man.
	Like, that's something that's an easy fix.
	Yes, but being honest.
	Of course, there will be women.
	And I've seen a man fucking McChicken.
	It was horrible.
	Stop.
	With the main name.
	Hey, stop.
	Of course, there will be.
	Of course, there will be women who find those types of men attractive.
	Not attractive.
	I think it's just not a deterrent.
	Much.
	It's something that's not a good idea.
	So you're saying that women will find those guys and say, hey, they can work on themselves.
	They can the gym, whatever.
	But men would prefer.
	Most men would prefer a woman just to stay like that.
	They don't care if they go to the gym.
	That hasn't been my experience on dieting.
	When I had that body, I never had a man care if I went to the gym.
	Exactly.
	I've had plenty of men say that they prefer fee women that actually have meat on their bones.
	But I would say that they would not prefer cultural shift.
	That's happened from social media.
	Which category do you fall in?
	The woman with a bit more meat on her bones?
	Slim thick, yeah.
	And these men are telling that, do these men have a romantic interest in you?
	And they're telling you this.
	I mean, obviously, most of the time when we're having these gender conversations.
	No, I have guy friends too that are like that too.
	Okay, yeah.
	And well, this actually falls back to men finding a wider range of body fat acceptable or attractive even.
	But I would argue if you're hearing this from men who are interested in dating you or sleeping with you, news flash, men will lie and tell you, men will pander to you.
	I have brothers too.
	Yes.
	I have 50 first cousins.
	Like, I have men in my life that are not just like you.
	If you were dating a guy and he was interested in pursuing you, do you think it would go over well if he was like, well, you're not my ideal body type, but you think it would go over well?
	No, but it wouldn't go over well the other way around either.
	Yeah, but guys are going to gas you up and be like, oh, babe, you're so fucking sexy.
	I like you just how you are.
	Most men are not going to be honest with a woman, especially if he's pursuing her romantically.
	Well, then it just, this is the law of like reciprocity.
	That's like, it's mutuality.
	It's for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
	It goes both ways.
	The argument we're trying to make is that, yeah, preferably a man, men in general, will probably want a woman who's fit, who goes to the gym, whatever.
	But our range of acceptability.
	Yeah, so acceptability.
	Like, I will continue a relationship with a woman if she is within this range of body composition is way wider than it is for women.
	Do you wonder why we're biologically like that?
	I'm just saying.
	Women go through pregnancies.
	Like, men are wired to accept a wider range.
	Men don't go through pregnancies.
	For a man, it's literally just negligence that will, like, not keep him fit.
	Like, he's just not going to go to the gym, not going to watch his diet, drink a lot, whatever.
	For a woman, there's less control.
	Like, you get pregnant, you don't control your hormones, the rate at which you, like, you have very small, little to no control of how much you're actually.
	I don't think you're understanding the actual argument here.
	I am understanding Trump saying biologically, men are wired to accept a wider range because women will change and their body will morph throughout their adult lives.
	Yeah, we already made the argument that men find a wider body fat percentage range acceptable.
	Again, though, we're talking about something different.
	I'm not saying that we showed those image of the more thin women.
	I'm not saying that men wouldn't date women who had a higher body fat percentage range.
	I was trying to make a comparison between the thin man versus the thin woman.
	And I would argue that comparatively speaking, those women that we showed you, more men will deem them attractive than there will be women who deem those thin men attractive.
	No, women will deem them attractive.
	Come on, don't you know women love twinks?
	How many people love Timothy Chalamet?
	I mean, come on.
	He's like the greatest actor.
	The greatest actor.
	Okay, I'm not saying that.
	God, that's a statement.
	I think you're failing to understand my argument.
	I am saying that there will be more men who find that body type attractive.
	That body fat percentage.
	And women will settle for a lot less.
	Ooh, fuck like a guy who works at a pizza shop or something like that.
	Just statistically inaccurate.
	It's true.
	I don't know.
	Have you mentioned that?
	Okay, let's go around the table.
	You saw the guys that we showed.
	Do you think that that's like in terms of what you find attractive in a man physically speaking, body type-wise?
	Would you say that's like were those like attractive body types for you?
	It could be.
	Some women like thin men.
	Maybe it's not the ideal, though.
	Honestly, yeah, I do find it like attractive, but like, it's not like my ideal like type.
	But at the end of the day, like, there are people outside of my type that I still find attractive.
	Sure.
	I've dated all types.
	So do you have a problem with that?
	I'm just saying I've dated all types.
	So in terms of that, I really don't have a problem with it.
	There's only maybe one guy that I would say was like a little too thin for me, but I'm open to a range.
	But yeah, I'd say, generally speaking, most women, I agree with your statement.
	I prefer a fit-looking man.
	I mean, you're kind of making the argument that these men would, their body types would not, you would not find them to me.
	Yeah, you're sort of agreeing with them.
	Fit to me equates to healthy.
	So hold on, wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on just a sec here.
	But there's room for somebody to go.
	Hold on, stop.
	Hold on.
	One moment, Nick.
	Just letting you know.
	Okay.
	Blassey, before the show, I requested that we had like, there was a negotiation here that you not wear your sunglasses.
	There was no such thing.
	You were all present.
	Every person at this table can disagree with that.
	Liars.
	Okay, we asked you not to wear your sunglasses.
	I look better.
	Look at this.
	Okay, that's cool.
	So, look, you've been kind of trolling this whole time.
	I'm not going to make a big thing of it.
	But, like, you just keep trolling.
	You've now put on your sunglasses.
	We asked you very politely before the show not to.
	Very polite.
	So, just kindly, like, don't make a scene, but just leave.
	All right.
	Didn't really want to see her for that long.
	Okay, that's fine.
	Just Nick, you can.
	We need a little video.
	Hello, Nick.
	Oh, my God.
	I just got a recording job.
	No, no, no.
	Don't.
	Yeah.
	Keep your hands off him.
	Hey.
	Keep your hands off of him.
	What are you doing?
	Just leave.
	Just get out of here.
	What are you doing?
	Just unprofessional assaulting the audio guy.
	Leave.
	Leave.
	What are you doing?
	Trying to punch him?
	Oh, my God.
	It's crazy.
	She should have been kicked out so long ago.
	My gosh.
	Holy.
	Oh, my God.
	She is dying.
	There was a high likelihood that that was going to happen.
	Oh, I knew it was going to happen.
	I knew it.
	Not the violence, but the insanity.
	I just thought it would be against me.
	She's going home in a gym.
	Yeah, just make sure you're like, yeah, I'm sure Brian's making sure that happened.
	But for people who are watching, yeah, she did not go quietly.
	No.
	She's going home in a private.
	Yeah.
	She's going home in a private guy.
	I'm going to go ahead and get a picture going on.
	Pilot guy.
	Maybe you should call the authorities.
	Take your seat.
	That was nuts.
	We were talking about it.
	You okay, Nick?
	Yeah.
	So, okay, for you guys who don't know, like, I mean, I was very polite, just asked her to leave.
	Nick, just it's our policy if we're kicking someone out.
	We just record it.
	And she hit you or she'd like grab the phone.
	Oh, she's trying, because Nick started recording, so she tried to grab his phone.
	Yeah, it's like, look, we got throwing punches.
	Did she try to punch you, Nick?
	I don't know if she tried to punch me.
	It kind of looked like it, but it was a pathetic effort.
	It was, I mean, it was like someone who's never punched before is trying to throw a punch.
	She broke your necklace, Nick.
	Yeah, she found my answer some bread.
	How much does it cost?
	I'll replace it.
	It's like 20 bucks.
	Okay, I'll throw you 20.
	Did you guys see that, though?
	She attacked me.
	We've never had that happen.
	She's literally everything that negative about Latinas.
	Literally, Latina is the negative side of life.
	Spice.
	She's such a negative.
	I mean, you guys were all here.
	We told her before the show, don't put your sunglasses on.
	You guys know.
	She was trolling the whole time.
	Yeah, yeah.
	She put the sunglasses back on.
	She was asking to be kicked off.
	I didn't make a scene.
	I was just like, hey, just leave.
	But it was totally, it's one thing to troll, but then to actually, like, she assaulted Nick.
	I mean, Nick, if you wanted to, you could.
	There's.
	Well, you have video recordings, yeah.
	You could pressure it.
	Nick, did it come through on the, like, were you already recording?
	Yeah, but part of the struggle when she just had her hands on me, I was holding it.
	I don't know how much I got, but I had one hand on her and one hand.
	We need, we need, like, I should have put the camera over that way.
	Nick's a trooper.
	Did she swipe at you too, Gustavo?
	He had the uniform on.
	She wasn't trying.
	She wasn't even daring.
	Just on camera, like, for the whole internet, but the minute I'm filming it, yeah, it doesn't make sense.
	She had her glasses on for it, too.
	She likes that.
	Oh, my gosh.
	I thought it was going to be me at the end of the night, honestly.
	It's weird.
	Yeah, that doesn't make sense.
	Like, you're on camera already.
	Nick's just recording you because that's just our policy.
	He just grabbed her and you're done.
	Good job, Nick.
	You okay, Nick?
	You all right?
	Okay.
	I mean, yeah, she was like assaulting Nick, but I was kind of sitting here thinking, does she really think she's going to win that fight?
	I was thinking he's got a lot of self-control.
	Yeah, same here.
	I was like, she was swiping at him.
	He has a lot of self-control.
	You just restrained her.
	Yeah, he was like, he was guarding himself more.
	We might need to clean up.
	Maybe could somebody.
	Yeah, I just walked through the chips.
	Did you step on them?
	Yeah, I did a little bit.
	I'm sorry.
	I tried not to.
	I was trying to tip it.
	She's not in the building.
	She's everywhere.
	Maybe, Spencer, take you wanna hold up.
	Wait, Nick, mute the audio really quick.
	Oh, wait, hold on.
	Unmute it.
	Joe Murphy donated $200.
	Who on the panel identifies as a feminist?
	Based on your answers, can you clearly describe your definition of feminism as a whole?
	It's a good question.
	We can keep it simple, referring to Western feminism, not Eastern.
	Yo, Joe Murphy, mute the audio.
	We'll get to that.
	Mute the audio for just a sec, Nick.
	It's muted.
	Spencer, just take the keys and then just go to the bottom of the stairs.
	Make sure the door's closed, all that.
	And sweet.
	Thank you, Spencer.
	You got the keys, Nick?
	I got it.
	What's that?
	Tell her you should take the pepper spray.
	Do you guys actually have that?
	Yeah, you're good.
	You're good.
	Okay, guys.
	Interesting.
	Fun in the studio.
	I feel bad.
	I feel like we're not all that surprised, though.
	Oh, God, no.
	None of us were surprised by that.
	I'm not.
	I'm surprised she was here.
	I was trying to give her passes with the trolling and shit, hoping it would get better.
	But now we have the lovely Madison at the table.
	So big up.
	That's the nicest thing you've ever said about me.
	I'm just kidding.
	Is it?
	No, I see.
	She just called me lovely.
	Lovely Madison.
	I appreciate it.
	Yeah, we have Madison at the table.
	So I think we've just, that was a major upgrade.
	Major upgrade.
	And anyways.
	She was kind of funny.
	She was funny.
	She was funny at times.
	Yes.
	It's very random.
	Just to give you guys.
	Also, just to give you guys some context.
	Oh, we could actually re-recording so we could even play the video.
	Oh, yeah.
	Just to show you guys.
	So, like, before the show, Nick had a talk with her because we don't want people wearing sunglasses.
	It's maybe happened a couple times before.
	But like, part of the thing is, is like part of communication, you want to be able to see people's eyes, right?
	And so Nick politely just had a convo with her and she's like, hey, can you take the glasses off?
	If you're hiding your eyes, you can't really like, it's part of communication, body language.
	And then she was putting up a fight with Nick, and then I had a conversation with her, polite.
	I was just like, hey, you can't wear the sunglasses.
	And then she agreed to not put the sunglasses on, and then she put the sunglasses on.
	She was trolling the whole show.
	I mean, I saw it coming, so no big deal.
	Anyways, we're going to move on.
	We did have that super chat that came through.
	Nick, is your, you have like, did you have an adrenaline dump?
	Like, fight or flight?
	Yeah.
	I mean, that's what happened.
	That's what happens when somebody gets in your face like that.
	But shout out to Nick, man.
	He's a little bit more.
	He's a trooper.
	You're good, though, right?
	She didn't actually injure you.
	I don't think she could have if she wanted to.
	He's so much fun.
	Was she drunk?
	Like, that's what I'm wondering.
	She was kind of going to see the influence of something.
	She kind of sounded like she was flurrying.
	She was trolling.
	She was trolling for it.
	It was an act.
	She was trolling, but she's outside the door.
	Oh, yeah.
	Just mute it really quick.
	Mute it.
	Like trying to get back in or why don't you?
	She's probably watching the stream.
	Why doesn't someone have to go to the house?
	This is the last thing that police are going to care about.
	No, they don't.
	It's in this town.
	It's not like.
	Just keep an eye on it, okay?
	Yeah.
	I don't want to get jumped.
	You guys might have to do it.
	Just try to make sure she's not like recording this outside or taking pictures of it or anything.
	Oh, yeah.
	Lasting the info on there.
	And I mean, it's fun.
	Yeah.
	Hashtag whatever.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Whatever.
	There it is.
	All right.
	Okay.
	We're going to reach out to you.
	Joe Murphy donated $200.
	Who on the panel identifies as a feminist?
	Based on your answers, can you clearly describe your definition of feminism as a whole?
	We can keep it simple, referring to Western feminism, not Eastern.
	So we'll go around the table on that if you guys want to answer the question.
	I don't identify as a feminist.
	Do you join us?
	No.
	No.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I would say I used to identify as a feminist.
	I no longer do because I used to think feminism, it's asking, I don't know the difference between the Western and Eastern feminism, but I used to believe that feminism was about equality between the sexes.
	And now I realize there will never be equality because we are not the same.
	We can certainly have, you know, equal opportunities in certain areas.
	But yeah, so I think feminism has become like way beyond equality.
	And now it's about like building a matriarchy.
	So I don't support that.
	At what point did that shift occur?
	Honestly, over the last couple years, it's funny.
	Like this one guy I was seeing, I freaked out on him when I was still very far left and feminist and man-hating.
	And because he told me he listened to Jordan Peterson and I'd only heard little bits of Jordan Peterson and I was like, you asshole.
	I was drunk.
	I went on a tirade for three hours just shouting at him and I don't know why you listen.
	But anyway, then one day I was like, I'm going to listen to Jordan Peterson, just see what he's saying.
	I started listening to more right-wing people and I started listening to like different voices than what I'd heard for so long.
	And I was like, dang, I actually agree with them on some things.
	And over time, it just sort of shifted and I really opened my eyes up.
	So I just listened to different perspectives than what I was fed for.
	I think that's extremely important.
	I think you did the thing that most people will not do, whether you're on the right or the left.
	It's listening to opposing opinions and then reasoning through that.
	I think most people don't do that.
	Well, like I lived in a, like a, what do you call it?
	You know, it was just everything was coming back to me.
	It was only what I wanted to hear.
	Yeah.
	You lived in your own bubble.
	In my own bubble.
	And so it was just every idea I had was reinforced by that worldview.
	And when I finally stepped outside that worldview, I was like, oh, dang it.
	There's different opinions that maybe are right on some things.
	And maybe I'm doing things because certainly my relationships weren't working out.
	So, it just reevaluated everything, and even listening to this podcast, like it's just been growing since then.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I think it's important to listen to people you don't, one, don't know.
	I think it's a phenomenon with Jordan Peterson in particular.
	Yeah, he even says he doesn't think he's right-wing, he's just kind of an intellectual critical thinking, he's a critical thinker, hates communism, loves the free market, stuff like that.
	Yeah, I don't know about free market, but he loves like freedom in general over security.
	Well, I've been listening to like Michael Knowles, Ben Shapiro, like all that stuff, just different voices.
	I definitely don't agree with all of those.
	Yes, but I guess coming back to the topic of feminism, it's trying to take a critical evaluation of all sides of people who are pro-feminism, anti-feminism.
	What is the reasoning behind it?
	And thinking about that.
	Do I see, what are the negatives I see play out in our society that generally has kind of swung towards the, hey, let's push feminism and see what happens?
	Yes, well, I felt for a long time like I had to think like a man and behave like a man, especially in regard to relationships, or else I wouldn't succeed if I just didn't put my feelings first.
	If I just tried to like have fun and fool around, and then I found, oh, I don't operate like a man because I'm not a man, and it's actually doing me a disservice to try to be a man.
	And that's why, like, my whole attitude has changed because I realized like everything I did for so long was not working for me, and it was all colored by this worldview.
	And I was very angry when I was far-left super feminist, I could not listen to men.
	I could not listen to anybody other than myself.
	We can definitely get into that.
	Let's move on to the next person.
	And then we'll definitely dive more into that.
	No, it's okay.
	It's okay.
	It's okay.
	So, I don't know the difference between Eastern and Western feminism.
	Honestly, I don't remember.
	But I do identify with a traditional feminist versus a modern feminist.
	So I believe.
	Yeah, I believe in equity.
	I believe that women should have rights.
	They shouldn't be property.
	They should have the right to vote.
	Things like that.
	Yeah, not equality.
	Equality and equity are different.
	So equity is more of like, you know, we're contributing, but we also contribute in different ways.
	So, for example, if I'm the second income of the household, but I'm also a mom, you know, and a homemaker, that's also contributing.
	So I shouldn't be expected to pay 50% of the bills, for example.
	But I can contribute if needed, right?
	That's equity versus equality.
	Equality is like 50-50 down the middle.
	Well, I think equality, classically defined by most people who talk about this, is equal opportunity versus equal outcome.
	Equality being equal opportunity and then equity being equal outcome.
	So when two people are in a game, equality means they have the same starting line.
	So it's determinant upon the effort that the person puts in to where they end up versus equity, which is we are going to try to analyze each person individually, set them at different starting lines so that they end in the same place.
	So I've heard it talked about differently and the way that I contributed it.
	But my bottom line of it is I want all of my children to live in a world where the woman and the man alike are respected in their own right for their contributions to society.
	Exactly.
	Like we all bring something to the table.
	And then at the end of the day, all jobs exist and all like finances and structure in the world exist for the one greatest job, right?
	I think the woman to be able to bear children and rear them and contribute to society.
	Yeah, I think the two most important jobs that there are are being a father and being a mother.
	Yeah, I think when society puts the emphasis off of those two things, saying, hey, a career is more important than raising your own family, not saying that it can't be something you consider, but it takes priority over.
	I think you see issues.
	And I think traditional feminists, so like first-wave feminists, would 100% get down with historically, they would be totally down with saying that men and women have equal value, but they are definitely not equal.
	Yeah, they're different.
	They're contributing to the difference to society.
	And I think that's what I'm identifying.
	Yeah, their different contributions are what makes society thrive.
	I think when you try to suppress that, you get a whole lot of issues.
	And they're natural roles that they naturally gravitate to.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	I would not consider myself a feminist.
	I think I just concede on your definition of what feminism is: just the equality of men and women, but obviously it's transpired into different things.
	I think men and women are equally important when it comes to contributing to society and like we just talked about and value, but we're not actually equal.
	Yeah, okay.
	Yeah, I definitely agree to like a certain extent.
	I believe that men and women should be equal, and I think more so even going beyond.
	I think that in today's day and age, feminism has definitely changed into pushing, like almost like in the workforce at least, for example, like trying to hire more women to like equal it, which does like, I'm sorry, this is going to make no sense, but that makes sense.
	But I think that, yeah, so to make it easier.
	No, you're not word jumble.
	But I believe that they should be equal.
	I don't necessarily think that we should try and push getting women more jobs because I feel like that then doesn't make it equal anymore.
	I think that if everyone's looking at it at a level playing field, eventually it would level out to be just who has the qualifications to get that job.
	In the form of marriage, at least for my family example, my mom works and so does my dad.
	And they both, they're more feminist in the form that they both contribute to the bills and whatever it is with what they can.
	And my mom doesn't make as much as my dad, so she can't maybe help as much in that form.
	I know that.
	Yeah, so that made sense.
	Yeah, okay.
	So you don't consider yourself feminist?
	I do in the form that I believe that having it be equal, and I think that men and women should both be working in.
	You're kind of, yeah, it's like earlier wave feminists.
	Yeah, like not so much today, so I am.
	I'm a traditional feminist, but I feel like some people have pushed it a little too far out and like just started a bunch of controversy and just like dragged it out.
	But I am, yeah, equal opportunity.
	Okay.
	Do you think women should wait?
	Who here is a feminist?
	Traditional.
	Traditional feminist.
	Traditional feminist.
	What about you?
	I'm not a feminist.
	Not a feminist.
	Really quick question for those of you who are feminist.
	What do you guys think about the current inequality when it comes to draft registration between men and women?
	So being a feminist, you said you believe in, what was it, equality?
	Equal opportunity.
	Do you believe in equality, though?
	Yeah.
	Do you believe in the equality?
	Yeah.
	Do you believe in equity?
	You missed our conversation about the difference between traditional and modern feminism.
	Well, let me ask you guys a question then, and perhaps you can weigh in too.
	Given this, that you believe in equality, wouldn't the equal thing be to equalize military conscription?
	So do you think women should be subject to the draft?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I'd agree.
	If you're going to ask for it in other aspects of life, you have to take like what about you?
	I disagree with that.
	Well, how can you be a feminist and believe in equity and equality?
	Like I said, Grid One Motorsports donated $200.
	Feminism has failed all women.
	Egalitarianism is a crack addict's pipe dream.
	Mean and women are not equal.
	The patriarchy values women for being women and stands ready to assist her return to reality.
	Okay, philosopher.
	So you believe in equity.
	I'm not really sure what I explained it because you were gone.
	So traditional feminism, to me, means, you know, the suffrage.
	Women should vote and contribute to society, right?
	And all jobs pretty much exist to support the traditional feminist role, which means having children, raising a family.
	That's not a feminist.
	Yeah.
	A modern feminist is very different.
	It's more of like a hate men stance and posture.
	I mean, it's always been that way, but.
	No, it hasn't.
	The original feminists that fought for, you know, voters' rights and for women to not be treated as property did not come from an angle of we hate men.
	It came from an angle of I am human too, just like black people when they were in slavery, right?
	And things like that.
	I mean, I don't think there's a difference there.
	Women didn't, women couldn't even sign a lease on their own with their own credit for like over, what, 50 years ago or 100?
	Okay.
	Fake news.
	So it's not fake news because it's legal.
	It's in our history books.
	What if I told you, do you know the NWO, the national, or sorry, not the NWO, that's something else.
	The National Organization for Women Now are you familiar with it?
	So this is one of like the early leading feminist organizations.
	Feminism does have, feminism has always been against the nuclear family, breaking up families.
	It's actually one of the stated goals of feminism.
	It's this idea that traditional feminism was all for women being like having families.
	No, feminism has always been, at least one of its attempts has been to destroy the family.
	And it's been quite successful at it.
	I think that's a blanket statement again.
	And I think that we have like a mix of the population of what traditional feminism started as.
	It may have been a few, small, a small few of leaders that had different ideas and ideologies, but in the grand scheme of things, the women that did mobilize and fight for rights came from a very different place of, I don't want my daughter to live in a world where she feels oppressed and she doesn't get paid equally, but might work twice as hard in the workforce or things like that.
	Like if we're going to ask women to bring a second income in the household or something, shouldn't they be compensated for the same amount of work that they're doing too?
	And the fact that they have other responsibilities at home as well.
	But back to my point, traditional feminism came to fruition as a movement of like, we don't want our daughters to be property.
	We want our daughters to be daughters.
	Is that the case?
	In God's eyes, there is no woman.
	There is no man in God's eyes.
	That's what the Bible says.
	I think that they had women modern property.
	Women were property back in the day.
	Yeah, they were.
	Like in the 1800s.
	But they were.
	They were property.
	In 1800s, women were property.
	I think that we don't know that.
	Women were legally property.
	So you could buy a woman.
	No, not that sense.
	We can talk about slavery.
	That's something else.
	You could buy a man.
	A woman could not go and do anything without permission from her husband.
	If she was married back in the day.
	Sorry.
	No, it's okay.
	If she was married back in the day, any money that she would earn would belong to her husband and her children would belong to her husband.
	So if she were to try and get divorced from him, they would be his property.
	They'd be his kids.
	That wouldn't make a woman the property of the husband.
	Even if that is true, it wouldn't make him then the property.
	I feel like it would in every country.
	Grid One Motorsports donated $200.
	You have been lied to.
	Women could always own property.
	A woman was elected mayor in 1877.
	You need to read a book and learn the real history.
	Return to the patriarchy.
	We will enlighten you.
	Yeah, so I agree with Grid 1.
	The history of women would heavily disagree with what feminists push right now.
	Feminists love to push this idea that women have suffered throughout history.
	Where, in fact, when the feminist agenda was being pushed, the vast majority of women pushed fanatically against it.
	And the people that were actually pushing this feminist agenda were large corporations and lobbyists.
	Because, hey, if I can give equality to women as well as men, now they have a vote, they can get in the workforce.
	All of a sudden, I have twice as many people I can start taxing, twice as many people I can start getting all of their money from.
	It has never been an altruistic, hey, this is just better for the world.
	That's what they peddled.
	That's what they said.
	That's what they promoted.
	But secretly, that's never been the ideal of feminism.
	And most women pushed against it at the time.
	But most women didn't have the voice that major corporations and major people in government did.
	But I think the whole push for it was that at some point, like, especially later in feminism, it's because women lost the trust that they should have had in the men around them to provide and protect for them.
	Like a lot of people talk about now.
	Like, I don't want to rely on a man for our income, for our family.
	Like, if he leaves me, then what am I going to do?
	I'll have no education and nothing to rely on.
	But I think like what you're saying about how feminism has tried to destroy the nuclear family is true because essentially you would have a man who would be a provider and protector and who would protect that woman.
	She wouldn't have to feel the need to fight against that for her own freedom because she would have faith in her husband to care for her properly and care for her family properly and provide for them.
	Well, just historically speaking, it's not accurate.
	Like I said, feminists love to paint a history where women were dumb, they were property, they were traded.
	It's just not true.
	Women were overwhelmingly happy with the arrangement.
	They were also extremely.
	That's a stretch.
	No, no, historically accurate.
	No, because women at 14 years old were being sent off to marry men that were much older than them, even as children.
	So let's not talk about how happy women were.
	I come from a very, very conservative background, very traditional background.
	Okay, there's a lot of religious indoctrination, a lot of cultural conditioning, a lot of stuff that happens out in the world.
	It's not just like in America.
	America is a very free society.
	And yes, I understand feminism.
	Like, I'm not ignorant to what's happened around the world, what happens around the world.
	Actually, women in other countries are generally way more happy in their marriages than women in the U.S.
	I lived in a foreign country for all of high school.
	I've met people like that.
	I've met people who, hey, it was an arranged marriage.
	At first, I didn't know this person.
	But because the constraints on marriage are so tight in most other countries, you're forced to be in that hot pot where you have to work on things because there is no, you cannot break this.
	It is that covenant.
	But eventually you come out the other side and those two people love each other.
	And generally speaking, that's what happens.
	And generally speaking, it is because the man will provide for the family and it frees up the woman to do what she wants to do, which is raise, teach.
	Because women, generally speaking in history, were very intelligent, taught their children.
	Because most, I think it's the education of colonial day children was probably equivalent to college right now.
	Probably to a master's degree, their vocabulary.
	But that's also the literature that was being put out, the things that people were reading, the way people were talking.
	You've got to take the whole picture with it.
	They had tutors, they had a lot of different things.
	In a society that was run by men.
	Yeah, but operated by women, too.
	That's the whole dialogue we need to have.
	The women really enjoyed the people.
	Patriarchy didn't just do everything.
	Yes, they provided opportunity and did a lot of the brute force work, but then women also executed it.
	I'm not saying that women did nothing.
	I didn't say women did nothing.
	They were very traditionally, they were extremely happy with the role that they were given, where they were the housewife, the stay-at-home mom, the teacher, the one who nurtured all the children.
	They were intelligent.
	They had to be because they had to teach their children.
	Whereas nowadays, women can just pawn off their children to the government and say, hey, please teach my child.
	How can a woman teach their children, though, if they don't have an education?
	Which is kind of like the conversation that we were having, which I wanted to have a little, you know.
	Well, education nowadays holds very little weight.
	I know specifically in the corporate world when I was an engineer, like, most of the having a degree as an engineer is important, but for most other jobs, experience is king.
	They do not care if you have a degree.
	Right, but you're talking about women teaching and child rearing and educating children.
	Don't they need an education themselves as well so they can actually?
	Formal education.
	And how are you going to learn if you don't get the education?
	To get a formal education.
	See, this is another thing.
	I'm just like homeschooling.
	This is another thing that the government is.
	I've homeschooled all five of my kids until this past year.
	Like, if anybody understands what it means to actually homeschool kids and have an education versus not have an education, I'm probably the most qualified one at the table.
	Final thoughts from both of you on this?
	No, yeah.
	This is just, it's, it's debatable, I think.
	But no, it's not debatable.
	Because, no, our modern education is vastly, vastly inferior compared to what we had in the past.
	When we didn't have government-supplied education, people were way more intelligent.
	It's only different.
	It's almost like people in power want people under them to be dumber.
	Of course they do.
	So that they can't be challenged.
	The literacy rate alone is like horrific, and it's just getting worse.
	Exactly.
	You don't need a formal education in a school, in a public school system, or a college degree.
	My sister is.
	I think a formal education is way, way overrated.
	It is.
	And what kids are being taught in school these days has very little to do with a proper education.
	And certainly they don't have the life skills that they should have to function in society.
	You know, how to manage their money, how to, you know, how to cook or like sew something.
	Like these skills that you could use or how to work on a car.
	Those tangible skills, it's logic, it's all of those things that used to be taught to children.
	Yes.
	But are no longer anymore because it's not expedient.
	I saw a video of this little farmer boy and he was like spreading seed and he knew all about the tractors and he was so well educated.
	And like that education, he was so young, but he knew so much about farming, more than I could ever hope to learn.
	And that education comes from his parents and that's what I'm saying.
	Like you can provide a good education.
	This is the point we're at right now with education, with the state of the nuclear family, all of these things have been affected dramatically by the input of feminist agenda in our society.
	Yes.
	I'm not saying it's the only thing, but a major contributing factor is pulling women out of the house and saying, okay, now women don't have this job anymore.
	All of a sudden, someone needs to take care of those children.
	Let's send them off to Caesar.
	And we wonder why they come back looking like Romans.
	Yeah, I mean, obviously, you guys can probably tell I'm not a feminist.
	Really?
	Yeah, I know.
	Very surprising.
	Hard to tell.
	But yeah, I think if you do your own research into the history of just humanity in general, yeah, men are stronger than women and therefore probably have a more possibility to commit atrocities.
	But generally speaking, men in the past valued women.
	They valued their job immensely.
	And they fought, died, and provided so that their women could have that coveted job.
	Because men were built to do that.
	They love doing that.
	That's patriarchy.
	And patriarchy, in its purest form, protects those women that are under their care.
	Just like there's a fine line between being a woman empowerment traditional feminist, as I like to call it, versus a modern feminist, there's also a fine line between being part of the patriarch and founding fathers and protecting women and children and the vulnerable population versus like misogyny.
	There's just a fine line that people are towing now in our modern society day in and day out.
	Like men and women.
	And throughout history, those misogynists, those people who abused that system were far littler.
	And it didn't than we see with the feminist agenda infecting the women in our society and men in our society.
	I don't know if it's far littler.
	I think maybe that's debatable too.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think just historically accurate.
	Because I mean, you see when feminism has been injected into our society, all of these negative things have come about.
	Whether you want to say that first wave feminism was a great thing, it has led us to where we are right now.
	Yes.
	So we can't discount that feminism, when it was introduced, has led us to where we are right now.
	Well, feminism is all about women seeking independence from men to have agency and control over their own lives.
	That does not do well to contribute to the nuclear family, right?
	Like as soon as you have that, you have a woman who's not being submissive to her husband, not trusting him to lead.
	And it's funny, like for years, my brother would say, I know this nice guy, I know that.
	And it's like, I don't want a nice guy.
	And I realized I was seeking somebody that could lead, somebody I could submit to.
	I just didn't know how to put it.
	But yeah, I agree.
	And I think there's a purpose to attacking the nuclear family.
	And I think there's a purpose to trying to make us all dumber.
	And it's so we're easier to control.
	All right, moving things along, we're going to get into the dating app segment of this.
	So the first thing we're going to do, we're going to actually do the not the reaction to her profile first.
	We're going to do the bumble segment.
	Okay, Nick?
	If you can pull up bumble.
	And then so what we're going to do is we're going to go on bumble and you're going to swipe on guys.
	You get 20 swipes, 20 swipes each.
	So just a yes or no?
	And that's pretty much it.
	Do I put us on the other side?
	Do we have to keep track of our swine?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	So, starting with you.
	No.
	What?
	Is he sickle?
	Wait, yeah.
	Yeah, they're just a roommate in their bride's name.
	Yeah, just yes or no on these.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, wait, did you say no?
	Which one is it?
	I don't even know which one.
	I didn't even hear anything.
	Yeah, I didn't say anything.
	We don't know which one they are.
	These are all just put these as automatic no's, I guess.
	Or skip.
	You can use those scrolls.
	Yeah.
	No, we're just going to do like first impression.
	No, no, no, no.
	Yeah.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	Are you?
	Yeah, I would have said yes.
	It's a couple of them.
	Personal preference.
	Personal preference.
	Yeah, 18.
	That's the 80s or older.
	Yeah, there's a big personality.
	You have like five more swipes.
	Okay.
	No.
	That's a good looking.
	That would be a yes to me.
	Oh, he's just like, they look old.
	They look really old.
	Oh, okay.
	That's fine.
	Well, what's older than you?
	18, right?
	What's the oldest you would date?
	I'm 18, so probably 20.
	And that's like pushing it.
	What's the oldest guy you've ever dated?
	Like 18.
	We were in high school, so no.
	Keep it here, Nick.
	Can you get that, Matty?
	Oh, yeah.
	Go ahead, keep going.
	The oldest guy I've ever dated was like a year older than me at the time.
	Sorry, Mason.
	What?
	Okay, I got you.
	Yes, no?
	Oh, no, no.
	Last one.
	No.
	All right, next.
	Dang.
	All right, so how many?
	That was like 80% no's.
	I said two yesterday.
	All right, they're picky.
	All right, what about 90%?
	Oh, wait, was I supposed to be counting along with her?
	No.
	Okay, no, it's my turn.
	Okay.
	Maybe.
	No, I don't know.
	It's a no.
	No.
	What?
	I just don't find that appealing.
	All right, okay.
	Oh, wow.
	Yes, it's a good one.
	She looks so cool, Ron.
	Yes, fine.
	Yes.
	I don't know which guy, but probably no.
	No.
	In Crocs, I can't even see the guy.
	No, sorry.
	He was handsome.
	No.
	It's the pictures.
	It's not even the guys.
	It's the friggin' picture.
	I can't see him, so I'm going to say yes.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Say yes to that.
	Yes to this guy.
	Yes to one of them.
	Maybe.
	I really can't see his face with the sunglasses.
	And this guy looks like he's eight feet long, but I'm going to say yes.
	I talked to him.
	Yeah.
	No.
	He looks like he's got a lot of people.
	He's risen up the camera.
	And yes to this guy.
	So I don't know how many that was.
	I didn't count.
	Wait, actually, before we move on, we're going to do a review of your bumble profile.
	Great.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	So, Nick, if you get that, and then we'll have everybody else do their swiping.
	All right, so this is your bumble profile.
	Oh, you ate there.
	That's cute.
	Would you say?
	You ate.
	It's cute.
	Oh, thank you.
	Thank you.
	That's apparently my most popular photo.
	I've tried to change it, but Bumble keeps putting it up there.
	All right.
	Next.
	Can you read this for us?
	I'm in Santa Barbara for a few days.
	I'd love to hang out with someone to explore Santa Barbara together.
	I'm a happy, healthy, sober, but fun Canadian lady, anti-hookup culture, but make up for a great connection and making friends.
	I'm five foot four, active.
	Do you want me to read all that?
	Oh, you're open to kids.
	Yeah, open to kids.
	Yeah, like I'd like to have kids, but if I don't at this age, I mean, I've dealt with it.
	All right.
	Looking for a long-term relationship.
	We'll just go through all of it.
	Next.
	I love baking, as you can see.
	Okay, next.
	Yeah.
	Next.
	Having the same values and goals, knowing each other's boundaries, mutual respect, and defined roles.
	Okay.
	Yep.
	Next, actually, working with me.
	That's no filter.
	There you go.
	Well, no, there's no filter there.
	Still we're in.
	Well, full makeup.
	No makeup, yes.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Is that what I'm doing?
	I will put a no-makeup one up just for you.
	I think there's one more, but it has a filter.
	Some of those have filters, some of those don't.
	Go back to the first one, and then I can do a side-by-side shot of what I don't look like.
	I just want to make a note here.
	So, okay, there's the SB thing, and then there's also go.
	Yeah.
	Next one.
	Next.
	Next.
	Yeah.
	Next.
	Hold on.
	Wait, next.
	Having the same values and goals, knowing each other's boundaries.
	When you say defined roles, what do you mean?
	I prefer traditional gender roles.
	That doesn't necessarily mean like a guy is being the sole provider because honestly, I'm not 20.
	I don't expect a man to do all of that for someone who's 36.
	But I certainly prefer a man who takes on a more leadership, masculine role in the relationship.
	I'm very feminine, nurturing, caring, that sort of thing.
	Why does that matter with age?
	I'm sorry.
	So, on your profile, you said you were looking for a long-term relationship.
	Given that you do live in Canada?
	Yeah.
	Correct.
	And you said that you're in Santa Barbara.
	What were your intentions behind?
	So my intentions and my conversations were just that I don't know the area.
	I was coming here for four days.
	I was hoping that someone would just be like willing to go out and make friends.
	And I did find someone.
	And we just went out and had fun.
	Like nothing romantic, completely platonic.
	That's all I was looking for.
	And I was really clear about it on the dating apps.
	I made it clear I'm here for just a few days.
	I really just want to explore the area with someone.
	So I could meet the one.
	Yeah, and to be fair.
	Do you like a long-distance relationship?
	Am I open?
	Oh, I've done lots of long-distance relationships.
	I've dated people in many, well, not many states, but like Oklahoma, North Carolina, Los Angeles.
	So I've done it.
	I'd prefer a local relationship, but yeah, if I met the right person, of course.
	Maybe there's another Canadian here.
	Yeah, you never know.
	You never know.
	But yeah, I also did try on the Bumble BFF to meet women locally who would like go out and do fun things, and I could not find one volunteer.
	So I tried.
	So I just really wanted to go out and have fun for the few days that I'm here.
	So yeah.
	Okay.
	I know it's a red flag because you probably think, oh, is she looking for somebody to hook up with?
	But no, I didn't.
	And I wasn't.
	Well, I mean, if like you're looking for a long-term relationship, the pros, if you live in Canada, like, what do you expect meeting a guy here?
	Like, any girl who's like wants a long-term relationship, but she's like traveling and she's like, I'm in town for the weekend.
	Yeah.
	That to me is like, well, there is no long-term potential at all.
	So you either just want to fuck.
	No.
	I think that's your opinion because for what other reason I would support hers because we're in our 30s.
	It's very different.
	We're not in our 20s.
	Like for us, finding a life partner is very different than your 20s when you're in the house.
	I am open to meeting the right person for me wherever on earth.
	Yeah, it doesn't matter.
	It doesn't matter to me.
	And I'm not saying that's going to happen in those few days.
	But I don't know.
	It's a perception, though.
	I do not know how else to go out and meet somebody that I can go out with in a city I don't know.
	Like I walked around in sketchy ass areas passing drug deals and like really scary things because I did not know where I was going.
	I researched, but it would have been really nice to have somebody with me to make sure I'm not getting into that.
	And just like go to a restaurant with me, you know, whatever.
	And I understand most people will not read it that way, but I was pretty clear.
	Well, and I grew up in a small town in Arkansas.
	Like you know your neighbors.
	It's a small town.
	You know, whenever you go and travel, you know, sometimes you are like, let me just meet someone.
	They're in the city.
	You never know where there's a spark, there's a kindle.
	You get to know each other, even if it's friend zoned or whatnot, and you get to know each other.
	And then after some time.
	And it doesn't have to be sexual, you know, just you're just meeting someone.
	But it's putting yourself out there.
	Yeah, putting yourself out there.
	And like, I never do it.
	I never travel.
	And I will say in Kingston, Ontario, I am not finding my person.
	So that's why I'm open to anyone anywhere.
	Not anyone, but like the one.
	Yeah.
	I don't want to make it sound like wherever he is.
	All right.
	We're going to continue on with the bumble thing.
	We'll have you do it.
	Nick, if you can pull that back up.
	It's tough.
	I feel like the age thing, like we'd have to adjust the age range.
	The filter.
	Because you're going to get like 20-year-old guys.
	If I didn't know his age, though, I'd still be like attracted to him.
	Like, he's an attractive guy.
	Yeah, he's good looking.
	He's handsome.
	If you guys, just so we don't have to tinker with it too much, maybe next time on a different panel, we'll do it.
	Just like either make him younger or older.
	Just cover the age.
	Honestly, if he moves the picture a little bit more, like our video, then we won't even see the age.
	Yeah, that would be a yes for me.
	Okay.
	No.
	No.
	No, fuck boy.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	No.
	No.
	I can't really see him, but I'd say a yes if I could.
	No. No. No.
	These guys. No.
	Police, no, not police.
	No.
	Comparable, you know?
	No.
	Okay.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, he is.
	No.
	Oh.
	I don't know which one it is, but I'll just err on the side of no.
	Jose.
	Jose.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	No.
	No.
	Do we just skip Madison?
	Just, I think you already did it.
	All right.
	So we will go to you.
	Go ahead, Nick.
	No.
	Yeah, he looks blood.
	No. No. No. No.
	Yes.
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Yes.
	This one's a yes?
	The other one wasn't?
	Yeah.
	No.
	No, he looks like trouble.
	Yeah, he seems so.
	Yeah.
	No.
	No.
	Be nice to Gilbert.
	No.
	No.
	Instruments are cool, no.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That was 20.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	No. No.
	Chihuahua. No.
	Reminder, just age them down if you have to.
	Yeah.
	No.
	Yeah.
	How could you see him?
	No, I saw the nature and I'm like, that's cool.
	Okay.
	no uh no yeah Yeah.
	No. No. No.
	Yeah.
	No.
	She likes to surfers.
	Yeah.
	She likes the fuck voice.
	Oh my gosh.
	Yeah.
	See, this is a sweet voice on a fuck voice.
	That's it.
	That's it.
	Oh, I want that one too.
	I think I would have said yes to that one.
	Damn, y'all picky.
	Okay.
	I'm going to pass all of them.
	Well, just, I know you have a boyfriend.
	No, I told him I wouldn't do it.
	Okay.
	That's cool.
	He didn't tell me to not do it.
	I told him I'm not doing it.
	All right.
	W girl, that's respectful.
	Okay, so take five of hers.
	Yeah, don't worry.
	Yes.
	Just like, yeah.
	No.
	What?
	That was scary.
	No.
	Oh, cool, guys.
	Yeah.
	The whole friend group.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	That was fine.
	All right.
	Damn, y'all picky.
	Shit.
	Really?
	I feel like they were a lot less picky than that.
	Not as picky as some other people.
	Still a little picky.
	I saw some.
	We should do this for you guys.
	Yeah, for sure.
	That's actually, yeah, we could.
	It's a great question.
	I would love that.
	You would probably be extremely picky, I would think.
	You'd be surprised.
	Well, in what context, like to sleep with or to date, you know?
	It's two different things.
	I don't sleep with girls unless I'm interested in dating them long term.
	Okay.
	That's good.
	That's good.
	You are kind of picky, though.
	But I still think you're picky.
	Yeah, you think you're picky.
	And that's not a bad thing.
	Like, in certain colours.
	I'm actually not that picky looks-wise.
	Well, yeah, personality.
	It's so much more picky.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I'm actually, I don't think I am.
	I like to say selective, not necessarily like picky.
	Yeah, there's a difference.
	Picky has a negative connotation, but it's okay to like know what you want and to look for that.
	And to say if this person is, I mean, you want it to work out for the long haul.
	You've got to be selective to some degree.
	All right, guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow on the Prime Sub if you have one, twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow on the Prime Sub, guys.
	We're trying to get to 70,000 followers on Twitch.
	And yeah, so drop us a follow if you are watching over there.
	The stream quality tends to be a little better over there on Twitch.
	Also, I got reports that apparently the mute function, Nick, could you pull up the chat really quick?
	There were a couple times I asked Nick to mute it.
	Apparently it didn't mute it.
	I don't think we said anything bad, but so chat, yes or no?
	Was it muted?
	Yes, muted.
	No, not muted.
	Not muted?
	Didn't mute.
	They just didn't say anything.
	There was no mute.
	They just wanted to hear.
	What did we say again?
	Never muted.
	Okay, well, we're going to have to.
	Wait, Nick, hit the button really quick.
	The mute.
	Testing, testing, testing, testing.
	It's muted in my headphones.
	Okay, on OBS, it still comes through.
	Okay, we gotta, well, Nick, the other way you can do it, you undo it there.
	The other way you could do it, do you see on the left there, there's the sound bar?
	Yeah, okay.
	There is, yeah, you can, we're gonna do a test.
	Mute, and then you can take it off.
	Was it just muted there?
	Was it muted there?
	We just, just for practice, was it muted?
	There?
	I'm assuming it was.
	Muted.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	We're good.
	We're good.
	We're good boys.
	By the way, Nick, just, just for your own self-knowledge, uh, I think the, the attack on you was visible in this area right here.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So I was thinking about that.
	The reflection people can go back and look at it.
	It's kind of dark.
	Yeah, so just letting you like that.
	If there's any question, if she were to say, no, he hit me or, you know, we'll all be witnesses.
	We all saw all witnesses and it was here and you were recording it.
	And the chat seems to agree.
	Indeed.
	Yeah, she, Nick, you trying to press charges?
	I saw her swatch.
	Did anybody check that she's still outside?
	No, Okay, stop, stop, stop.
	Okay, come on, bro.
	Moving on, moving on.
	Let's see here.
	Really quick, I don't want to linger too long on this, but I do want to go around the table.
	And I'm actually, I'm going to start with someone in particular.
	We won't linger along on it because we've already talked about it twice, but the previous show, when I wanted it to be the main topic of conversation, it really didn't go over so well.
	Have you guys seen the man versus bear thing?
	Man or bear?
	Okay.
	Oh, yeah.
	So the question is, would you rather be stuck in the woods with a man or a bear?
	I want you to go first.
	And then we're going to go around the table like this, and then we'll circle back to you.
	So go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	The man or a bear?
	Would you rather be stuck in the woods with a man or a bear?
	A bear.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Yeah, a bear.
	A man.
	Do you want us to explain why or not?
	Yeah, we'll come back to that.
	A man.
	Probably a man.
	Probably a bear.
	Oh, okay.
	Got the friend group here with the man.
	What about you?
	100% a man.
	Okay, so we got man, man, man, bear, bear, bear.
	Okay.
	Did you only say that because your two friends over here said bear and you feel like I can't go against them?
	Honestly, I just think that I would be able to outrun the bear.
	No, you can't.
	You can't.
	If I just like the bear.
	Armonius.
	Amonius.
	I feel like if you didn't provoke the bear, nothing would happen.
	But like, that's not true.
	That's where it's.
	That's not true.
	I mean, not necessarily.
	I don't know.
	I feel like men, like a scary man is scarier than like, but you didn't provide.
	But you didn't say that.
	You didn't explain what the intentions of the man was.
	Yeah, but it's like a just regular man.
	interesting with here's what's interesting to me with this question no one is assuming wait hold on How do I want to frame this?
	Ill intent of the man.
	I'm assuming a baby cup.
	Everyone seems to assume the man is bad.
	Like, no one is assuming the bear is good.
	Yeah.
	So how do we not, like, what if we just apply, let's say they're both have bad intentions.
	No.
	I'd rather get mauled alive than eat up by a man.
	I think I could, I'd have better odds fighting off a man.
	Yeah, me too.
	100% you'd have better odds.
	And if I were to just walk into the woods alone and I came across a bear, the fear that would go through me compared to if I came across a man, I would be a little off-put.
	I'd be like, oh, there's something.
	But if I saw a bear, I would like, I would freak out.
	I probably would say I'm excited.
	I feel like you can't reason with a bear.
	You can reason with a man.
	I have better odds.
	I feel like the argument stems from like the worst a bear can do is like hit you more you like kill you but there's like so much more than a man can do like not all men obviously but like a man with ill intent can do like before he kills you and I think that's what goes through a lot of women when they choose a bear first see I would feel like if I'm in the woods I'm probably lost so I'm I'm gonna go out to that man and hope he can help me find my way out To a man in the woods.
	Well, no, but the man we didn't say he's dangerous.
	It's probably great, Spirus.
	Yeah, probably great.
	Goal for the moment.
	Wait, we have a chat here.
	Would you rather be stuck in the woods with a man or sunglasses and handle of Jack?
	Feel scared for the imaginary pilots.
	Dang it.
	I choose the man over that.
	Yeah.
	Although that would be a lot more angry.
	I'm choosing the man.
	Nick, does that pull up a photo?
	Is it like just the photo or does it also show the.
	Yeah, perfect.
	One of my viewers wanted me to ask this one.
	This is just a fun thing.
	So this is the man.
	Let me know when you get it, Nick.
	Oh.
	So this guy, or he kind of looks like a bear.
	This guy with donated $200.
	No way.
	No way.
	You just said you cannot run a bear.
	They can climb trees too.
	He ain't escaping a bear.
	I think it's more like: if I'm going to get killed by a man or a bear, I'd rather be killed by the bear.
	Really?
	What the man can do before he kills me?
	Yeah.
	The man can get away with it, too.
	Well, what if the man like a bear would?
	No, a bear would, but I wouldn't be able to realize they're not going to be.
	Let's say the man doesn't want, like, because it's like the assumption here is like they're going to SA you or whatever.
	What if they don't want to SA you, but they do have like violent intention.
	They want to kill you, but they're going to like, they're not going to like torture you or anything.
	They're just going to like shoot you or something.
	Would that be.
	So you know for a fact the man would grid one motorsports donated $200.
	For fuck's sake, you will never know the man was there.
	He knows you will just be a drain on his resources and have nothing but woman prattle.
	So we'll hide and watch the bear get indigestion.
	Bear indigestion.
	I'd rather just get shot.
	So the scenario is like the guy, you know the guy will shoot you, or this bear is going to try to maul you.
	You'll know.
	No, he's the bear's aggressive and wants to attack.
	Yeah, I would rather just get shot.
	I'd rather get mauled by the bear.
	Wait, pull the photo up real quick.
	I don't really understand.
	Which guy, this guy or the bear? I think means you're going to stay?
	I can run faster than the other.
	I'd rather my name make headlines like mauled by a bear rather than killed by a man.
	I want to get taken out by a man.
	Man is like not in the best shit.
	So bears older.
	Bears also, they're not good killing machines.
	They're not effective.
	So all they do.
	They'll eat you alive?
	Is that?
	Well, so they will.
	Yeah, they eat you alive.
	So most of their diet is fish, dead carcasses, fruits.
	Sometimes it'll be other animals, but they're not very effective killing machines.
	So they will eat you while you're still kicking.
	And oftentimes, people who get mauled by bears, if they do die, it's very, very later.
	And if they survive, they're ultra-traumatized.
	Exactly.
	It's rough.
	So yeah.
	Generally, for this argument or this discussion, it didn't really.
	I don't think it got the point across that it wanted to get across to me.
	It just pointed out that a lot of people think with their feelings and not with their head.
	Yep.
	I think there's also like a bunch of layers of mistrust, right?
	We've seen so many negative things happen, especially now that we have internet and had heard all these stories about the essay and things like that.
	Like it just naturally inclines you towards experience are the things that come to the surface way more than the positive things.
	I think there is generally speaking.
	It's news in general.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's just news in general.
	I think men in general would rather protect a woman and bears in general could care less.
	Yeah.
	Could not care less.
	I don't care what your gender is.
	Now, let me ask you guys a question.
	Those of you who said bear, let's change the setting from woods to a 10 by 10 room.
	Does that change anything?
	Starting with you.
	A 10 by 10 room?
	10 by 10 room.
	Does that change anything?
	Big as that.
	Okay, okay.
	Just that think of this area.
	This living room.
	Oh my god, that changes it.
	Is that the same man that you showed before?
	Same man, same man.
	No, no, no.
	It's just it's a random man.
	The man.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I mean, it would probably change it just because in that setting, like, there's really nowhere for you to go.
	Well, yeah, I guess.
	Then yeah, it would change.
	Well, in the forest, arguably, there would be nowhere for you to go.
	Yeah, well, more forest.
	Because this hypothetical.
	I think you run farther.
	Well, my understand.
	I mean, the hypothetical would seem to indicate that you will make contact.
	Otherwise, what if you don't make contact in the hypothetical, what would the issue be?
	So, in both scenarios, you're making contact.
	If it's actually, if it's like a man with malintent, then if it's a random man, is it a random?
	No, I'm just kidding.
	Yeah, it's a random man.
	It could be, for example, the random man, the random man that generates could be your brother or father.
	It could be.
	Because it's raised.
	Or it could be a good man.
	It's actually very, it's more likely than not that whichever random man you get is going to be a good man.
	It could be a skinny man.
	Oh, my God.
	Then if he's going to be a good man, then I'll say man.
	No, Hold on.
	I know it's a random man.
	It's a random man.
	So there is the possibility.
	It could be a terrible thing.
	But the probability is higher than it's good.
	What about you?
	I think going into like when you first said the question, I was thinking about which one would I rather be killed by.
	And so in like this, I guess I would change my answer.
	Like even in the woods, I would say a man, and in the room, I would say a man.
	Well, even if you pick the bear, it doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to get attacked.
	It doesn't necessarily mean you'll be attacked.
	No, I don't know.
	I feel like there probably is a higher chance that I would be able to swear.
	Okay, she's changing it up now.
	Okay.
	Well, just like I had thought about it.
	I was like, I don't, I would rather be killed by the bear.
	But your gut instinct.
	Yeah, so I was like, gonna get killed.
	Like, for sure, like, I'm getting killed.
	I'm not even sure if you'd want, even then, if she'd prefer to be.
	I think you're just misinformed.
	I don't know.
	I feel like it's like we hear more.
	Go ahead.
	Sorry.
	No, I'm sorry.
	You go ahead, then you go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	I feel like we hear more horror stories about sexual assault.
	And so that fear is ingrained in my head.
	I would never want that to happen to me.
	But I don't hear about getting mauled by a bear much.
	So I'm just like not.
	Well, there aren't too many bears in the city.
	Yeah.
	Well, like, it's just not like one of my biggest fears.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And then you were going to say?
	Kind of piggyback off of Alyssa.
	It's just kind of like in the initial, like, or on TikTok when that question was circulating, it is more like about the essay and things that would happen if it was a man with malintent.
	And then what would your decision be?
	But if it's like, obviously, like you said, a random man, and it could be good, then.
	Oh, I've switched.
	This is like a perfect situation because I had no idea what the reference was to.
	So it was just my inherent response.
	But sounds like you ladies had some backstory to it and that impacted your actual response.
	Yeah, well, like when I saw it before, like on TikTok or whatever platform it was on, that was like what a lot of the responses was.
	And then that would get me thinking, yeah, I've heard all these horror stories or I've had a lot of things.
	I think this is more of an negative comment on how our social media and how media in general portray men.
	Because the image that you're getting of men is obviously pretty negative.
	Whereas generally speaking, men are not like that.
	They're probably, like we said, it's more likely you'll meet a kind-hearted man in the woods than you will a kind-hearted bear.
	I do agree that I think that what gets pushed out in the perspective of men is definitely negative.
	And I think that's just because that's what sells more and gets more views.
	But yeah.
	Do you feel like the reverse is also true?
	Like women get a bad rap that just because they want maybe a financially stable, secure man that's going to take care of them, now women are all of a sudden considered dollars.
	Super like materialistic and gold diggers and all that question.
	So, if we just put a blanket statement, like for example, let's, if we put men in this situation, like would you rather, I don't know if the bear thing is perfect, but would you rather be in the woods with a bear or with like a gold digger?
	Well, there's no threat.
	That's the thing.
	So, we have to find an accurate males.
	Maybe let's go to the next one.
	Would you agree that if men had this prejudice towards women being gold diggers, would you agree that that's sexist?
	Would you agree it's sexist if men had a prejudice against women that women were gold diggers?
	Is that sexist towards men?
	Yeah.
	So, men's women, you mean?
	No, towards men.
	Or wait towards women.
	Would it be well, would it be a sexist view towards women?
	Yeah, I think.
	Or, well, would the men be sexist to have that prejudice?
	I think it is, yes, because they're automatically assuming that the woman is not capable of harm, right?
	Like, I think it goes the same way.
	So, are women sexist for having a prejudice against men for viewing men as dangerous and unsafe and as predators?
	Sexism goes both ways.
	That's all I was saying.
	Sexism goes both ways.
	I'd like to hear from the other girls here because it's not clear to me if women are prepared to say, yes, I am sexist because I have this irrational fear of men.
	And you might even argue that it's a rational fear.
	I don't know.
	For that, I would say, like, for a long time, I felt that way.
	I'm so glad I'm not dating donated $200.
	There's a bear.
	It's clearly about to attack you.
	Your choose your defense.
	A six 130 pounds skinny, sweet, genuine, average nerdy gamer.
	Or six five plus two hundred and fifty-five pounds murder convict covered in tattoos from head to toe.
	Good question.
	Which one?
	Number one or two?
	Starting with you?
	Who would I want to defend me?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	The larger man.
	I would wonder about the murder convict because maybe he has some great self-defense skills.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Just to answer the question.
	I don't have to be that deep.
	That's the answer.
	That was my answer.
	Jess Gerald donated $200.
	Alaska here.
	Laughing at those that choose the bear.
	Outrun a bear.
	I can't stop laughing.
	It hurts.
	Oh no, maybe she did track.
	Maybe she did the config.
	No, she did not.
	She did not.
	We went on a run before.
	She could not do the run.
	No, she's not.
	Bears are like a thousand pounds and faster than Usain Bolt.
	I would choose the convict to defend.
	The first one, because he's probably still strong enough to protect me.
	Yeah, I'd say the first one?
	The 130-pound skinny guy?
	I mean, he's a man.
	He's probably still strong enough to protect him.
	I don't want to be murdered.
	Yeah, because what happens is that they're defending you.
	They're defending you.
	You're not just stuck with them.
	Yeah.
	Okay, the second one.
	Yeah.
	I feel like I thought about it.
	Get in the second one.
	There's nothing contrary.
	I changed my answer.
	I mean, I still think the 6'5 guy is going to get fucked up.
	No, yeah.
	So I would pick the convict for a totally different reason.
	I'm going to probably bet that this guy is probably a little bit overweight and is not as going to be as fast as me.
	Or as you guys are.
	So all you have to do is just be faster than him.
	That's true.
	I actually would pick the convict.
	So, like, if the bear were to kill him, like, the bigger guy could, like, wear the bear out first.
	Yeah.
	I don't know about where he's going to be.
	If he's bigger, you'll maybe have time to get away.
	He's preoccupied.
	What about you?
	Oh, I said the convict after what you said.
	Because also, if he's bigger, then the bear is probably going to want the bigger meal, right?
	While he's eating that guy, go for the convict.
	Yeah.
	The what? Convict.
	The convict.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I just don't get this whole, I don't know.
	I just think that the most gals that you're probably talking to don't really have like the context.
	The shy guys donated $214.82.
	The real question is: would you be stuck with a bear or with a woman?
	And why is it the bear?
	You gals never had a survival training.
	I would say this should be mandatory for everyone.
	Gustavo's hair rul.
	I don't know if that makes any sense.
	Woman.
	I did pose a question.
	I did ask: okay, so if men's prejudice towards women being gold diggers is sexist, is women's prejudice towards men being broadly dangerous or unsafe, is that a sexist?
	There's a degree of mutual sexism that happens.
	I think from women, though, it comes from trauma.
	Answer the question.
	I agreed with you earlier that, yes, it was a good idea.
	Let's get everybody's answer to this starting with you.
	Yeah, I feel like it's also.
	I feel like it's also, it's not necessarily sex.
	Well, I guess you can't say it's sexist because we have this one view for men, but I think it's engraved in our head because it has happened so much.
	Like if you're with a woman who's a gold digger, she might be trying to steal your money, but she's not trying to hurt you.
	It's not that we think that all men are like this.
	It's that we have to take precautions to think a certain way because it's happened so many times.
	Well, I mean, you can rationalize your sexism as much as you want.
	Just like the southern states rationalized slavery for a very, very long time.
	Or any like racism.
	Regardless, regardless of the rationale, it was still racist.
	I understand.
	So I guess regardless of your rationale, you can still acknowledge that it's sexist.
	Yeah, I'll acknowledge that it's sexist, but I think it has its reasons behind it.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I already said yes.
	That's what I would have said.
	You got into the mic.
	Sorry, that's what I would have said.
	What she said.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Good talk.
	I guess progress.
	Good talk.
	There's one last thing we can pull up really quick, Nick, on this.
	Shout out to, get that pulled up.
	What's up?
	Private chat.
	Oh, okay.
	Oh, I don't.
	Yeah.
	Pull that up.
	Shout out to the tin man on Tin Men, excuse me, on Instagram.
	Pull it up when you're.
	He did a little thing.
	He put us on the other side.
	Make it bigger, please.
	Make this bigger.
	One more?
	Yeah.
	Okay, men or bear.
	Yet another thought experiment.
	Go next.
	All right.
	So men have spent their entire adult lives being educated by dehumanizing social media thought experiments, and this time it's bears.
	I guess they've done this before with other things.
	Next.
	No, scroll.
	No, that's fine.
	Women, would you rather be stuck in a forest with a man or a bear?
	I want to say the man, I really do, but I can't shake the idea that I would be safer with a bear.
	The latest viral meme asks if women would rather meet a man in a forest or a bear.
	Next.
	Some people have even done mathematics to claim we would all be safer with bears.
	It is, however, a dishonestly phrased question.
	Next.
	Every year, women encounter thousands of men, and following these thousands of interactions, around 0.9% of American women will be a victim of violent crime annually.
	That's from the U.S. Department of Justice from 2020.
	Next.
	So perhaps a better question would be if you swapped all 124 million American men, fathers, sons, brothers, friends, and granddads with bears.
	Would violent crime rates go up?
	Next.
	Yes, it's because, yes, it's true, 80% of violent crimes are committed by men, but it's also true that only 0.2% of American men are arrested for violent crimes each year.
	That's from the FBI.
	Next.
	And if you like bears, then here's another.
	Women are the primary abusers of children in America.
	And it's mother only 43%, father only 27%.
	So which would you rather?
	So which would you rather leave your child alone with a woman or a crocodile?
	Next.
	Oh, boy.
	Because that would be a good idea.
	The answer, of course, is the woman.
	Because only a teeny minority of parents are abusive, and the vast majority of women are perfectly kind to children.
	Next.
	So men or bear.
	Father identifying as a bear while entering family court in the hope he receives less prejudice.
	Which would you choose?
	So that's a great, the 10 men, they're a great resource there on Instagram.
	Some great stuff on that.
	So be sure to check it out.
	But yeah, I mean, it comes down a bit to like encounters, right?
	I mean, you have to ask, like, per encounter, like, think of all the men you've walked by that you've met, that you've even hung out with privately.
	That perhaps maybe some of you have encountered terrible men.
	It certainly may be the case.
	But if you were in the same scenario, all you replace all those scenarios where you encountered a man, replace it with a bear.
	And you can even distribute that proportionally to the type of bear because some bears are more aggressive than others.
	But if you were just, you know, whatever the distribution is, you know, it's what, 10% polar, I don't know what the distribution is.
	You get fucked up by a bear.
	I'm just saying, the bear is the terrible choice.
	Yeah.
	No?
	Also, on this, if we were to place men with a racial or ethnic group, would the question then become racist?
	Like racial, ethnic group versus bear?
	Like, would you rather be in the forest with ex racial, like let's, we'll just even say it's still a man, but if you would you rather be in the woods with a bear or a or a black man, would that be a racist question?
	Both racism and sexism, right?
	Right.
	Well, if it's racist, it certainly has to be sexist, too.
	Well, I'll just ask you guys, actually, would you rather be in the woods with a bear or a black man?
	A bear.
	When you asked the question the first time, I envisioned like a big, like strong, old white man.
	I did as well.
	Wait, so you'd still pick the bear, though?
	Yeah.
	I initially said bear, and it wasn't because of the person's race.
	It was because it would be because of their sex.
	So, okay.
	No, but I'm saying, hold on.
	I know you're saying.
	So, the question is, I've changed the question.
	Yeah.
	Would you rather be in the woods with a bear or a black man?
	Bear.
	I stick with bear.
	Still stay with a bear?
	Okay.
	I changed my mind about it.
	So in the case, it would still be that.
	We won't linger on this for too long.
	I'll give a couple other fun scenarios here.
	What about a giant lesbian woman?
	Does that change anything?
	No.
	What do you pick there?
	A bear.
	Still the bear?
	I'd choose her.
	Oh, wait.
	Am I getting the.
	Can you?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Would you rather be in the woods with a giant lesbian woman?
	She probably chats.
	No, I'm sorry, that's good.
	or a bear?
	Survival.
	The bear.
	Okay, all right.
	I would like to admit that this would be sexist, but I would say the lesbian woman.
	The woman.
	Okay.
	What about, hold on.
	What about a gay man?
	Fair.
	Gay man?
	No, just like a gay man.
	Or a bear.
	Gay man.
	Oh, interesting.
	Okay.
	Yeah, gay man.
	The gay man.
	I think the fear here is like the...
	Okay, well.
	I would also include gay man to just man.
	Yeah, because that could be one of the random mansion.
	No, that's actually really good point.
	That's a really good point about it.
	The random man could end up being a gay man.
	Yeah, he could.
	Could it be like a trick?
	I understand you're going to.
	What about a woman serial killer versus a random man?
	A random man.
	Do I know she's a serial killer?
	Or like she will be a serial killer?
	Well, yes, you do know because I'm asking the question.
	So serial killer woman versus random man.
	So you could get a man with bad intention, but you could also get the woman.
	Fight her off.
	Rather than like with a serial killer, does she have like a weapon or anything?
	No, no weapons.
	I think she needs more information.
	I would do the man because if I know 100% this girl's a serial killer, I would obviously go for the intention, to be clear.
	She wants to kill you.
	I would want to kill her too.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I would say the man.
	Just because I know that this woman has killed other people before.
	She's capable.
	Yeah, if she wants to kill you, she's going to kill you if she has a weapon or not.
	I don't know the intentions of the man, so I'm going to give him the bad.
	If you could kill somebody, take it.
	She'll take the woman, guys.
	I have trust.
	All right.
	What if she's a lesbian serial killer?
	Then she could SA you and kill you.
	Does that change anything?
	Still the.
	I could fight her off.
	What if she does jujitsu?
	You know, I have a little bit of boxing experience.
	Okay.
	What about a man who is dressed as a bear versus a bear?
	There's going to be an obvious difference unless the costume's really good.
	What about you?
	The man.
	Why does the costume change it?
	Well, they look the same.
	Guys, by the way, I have terrible vision, so I probably won't be able to tell you.
	My legend is terrible.
	It's the man in the bear costume.
	He's like, okay, yeah.
	So a man who's dressed as a bear, random man.
	Random man in a furry, I guess.
	Yeah, I think he's a man.
	Or a purple.
	Yeah, but what kind of bear costume, too, you know?
	Man, yeah.
	It makes me think twice just because I'm like, does he have a mental instability because he's dressed as a bear and is he really going to just like unstate?
	I agree with that.
	He's going to want to type I'd go for just the man.
	Okay.
	And then, all right, we're going to move on.
	Really quick, guys.
	Go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub if you're watching over there.
	Appreciate it, guys.
	Let me do a couple of the chats, bring it back to, hold on.
	Can I have you read this one?
	Woman, cheat code, choose the man.
	Let him have his way with you.
	So when you inevitably run into a predator anyway, you can expect him to take you.
	Take the hypothetical bullet and die protective.
	Good.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Nicola.
	Thank you, Nicola.
	Players.
	I'll touch on that one too, really quick, actually.
	Would you want a man that you were dating to sacrifice his life for you?
	Take a bullet for you?
	Or, no, hold on.
	Let me reframe it.
	Would you not be willing to date a guy who was unwilling?
	Wait, hold on.
	Is this a double negative now?
	Fuck.
	I don't think so.
	Wait, hold on.
	Would you or would you not date a guy who was unwilling to say down the road?
	Say when you're in love, you've been dating for a while, even married, who would be unwilling to sacrifice his life for you.
	Say in the hypothetical scenario, he can take the bullet or you can take the bullet, but he wasn't willing to take the bullet for you.
	Would you date that man?
	I think I would expect him to protect me in that way if we've been dating for a long time, yeah.
	Okay.
	Like, it would you.
	So you would not date the guy who was unwilling to take a bullet for you?
	Yeah, but I wouldn't expect him to do that if we were only dating for like a couple months, you know?
	Okay.
	Like, it's like something down the road.
	Okay.
	So like a year?
	I don't think I would expect him to do that.
	Like sacrifice his life for me after dating for a year.
	I would want him to, but I wouldn't expect it.
	Hmm.
	I wonder.
	Let me ask you a follow-up question.
	He doesn't have to sacrifice his life, but he does have to do something.
	And in order to protect you, he ends up with a, it wouldn't be a life or death scenario, but he ends up with, is this one out of focus, Nick?
	A little bit.
	The one that's on her?
	I'll change it.
	I'm trying to think.
	He...
	Like a disability?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, like, I don't know.
	He's data works or something.
	He loses a leg.
	Yeah.
	What?
	What's the question?
	He loses a leg to prevent you from losing a leg.
	Leg for leg.
	And what's the question?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Like, would she continue dating him even though he's disabled?
	Is that what you're saying?
	There's a car coming.
	There's a car coming.
	And, like, you're in the street.
	And if he doesn't grab you, move you out of the way, your leg gets crushed.
	But if he grabs you and moves you out of the way, his leg gets crushed.
	What's the question?
	So which, if the guy was unwilling to do that, would you date him?
	Like to make that sacrifice?
	God, I don't know if this makes sense, but I think I swear you can say.
	What do you mean?
	No, it wasn't your fault.
	Go ahead and answer the question.
	That's like a hard question.
	I would be willing to date him still.
	Yeah.
	Well, you're saying like we're in love?
	Yes, I would be willing to date him.
	If he wouldn't.
	If he wouldn't?
	Yeah, I really don't care that much about that.
	I mean, of course, like it's a nice thought that he would like, you know, die for you or whatever, but like I would do the same for my family.
	If he doesn't want to, I just, it's not on my top priority, I guess.
	So like you would date someone who would sit there and watch you get your leg destroyed.
	Or malt walking.
	So not attempting to do that.
	It's just a leg.
	Literally for that reason, exactly, because I know I would do the same thing.
	I would not be dating that person anymore.
	Like if you're not the same dedication and like to save me or whatever, we save each other.
	I don't know.
	I just think in that kind of a situation, like people have all kinds of different reactions.
	Do you have a problem with me like speaking?
	No.
	Because she went into the same, she went into her reasons.
	You guys are asking me questions, so I just will not answer anything.
	That's fine.
	No, just.
	Okay.
	I answered my question.
	Yes, I would be willing to date him still.
	I said that.
	If he wasn't willing to take a bullet for you, I said no.
	You wouldn't?
	Okay.
	I wouldn't be willing to date someone who isn't willing to take a bullet for me.
	Because I don't think willingness has to do with like capability, if that makes sense.
	Like, say, like, in my relationship, I appreciate that Frankie and I would both be willing to die for each other.
	But when it comes to capability, like we've discussed that he'd be more capable to be mentally stronger to live on and take care of our children.
	If that makes sense.
	I don't know if that makes sense, but what about you?
	I feel like I wouldn't.
	If I was in a place where I felt like I would be willing to take a bullet for them and they weren't willing to take a bullet for me, then we wouldn't be at the same level of, I guess, love or dedication to one another.
	So I would stop.
	I would.
	I wouldn't take a bullet for someone personally.
	So you would or you wouldn't.
	I wouldn't.
	So I wouldn't.
	You wouldn't expect it.
	I wouldn't expect them to do it for me.
	Okay.
	And you want to be a cop?
	Oh, no!
	He got me.
	I got you.
	I would not date a man that's not willing to sacrifice any at any of those levels for me.
	And I think my boyfriend day one would have still jumped in front of a car or whatever.
	He walks on the side of the street that's closer to cars.
	I expect that with reciprocated honor and respect to him.
	But see, like, I.
	So the reasoning for the boyfriend walking closer to the side of the road is what?
	Protection.
	His role.
	So from the car.
	He's the one.
	From what?
	So, okay, you wouldn't have to.
	If a man drives up to you and snatches you because you're on the side of the road.
	Okay, what?
	Or if someone runs.
	He's in between me and the thing that's most likely to cause harm.
	So you'd want the guy to get run over by the car versus you.
	He'd be in a better position to protect you from that.
	The sacrifice of him getting run over instead, correct?
	Correct.
	Obviously, I would hate that, but I wouldn't want to be with a man who wouldn't do that.
	Now, going back around this way to the table, do you think it would be like less attractive?
	Maybe you would still date the guy, but would it be less attractive and would he be less masculine if he was unwilling to sacrifice his life for his girlfriend, wife, whatever it may be?
	Yeah, that's unattractive.
	No.
	Don't care at all?
	Okay.
	Yeah, I think he'd be less attractive.
	Less attractive.
	I think it would be less masculine.
	Actually, I don't know because it doesn't make me more masculine that I'm willing to take a bullet for the person that I love, doesn't it?
	It was attractive or not attractive, though.
	Not necessarily masculine.
	Yeah, sure, it's unattractive, but I don't think it's like you should expect it from the start of dating.
	Less attractive.
	I don't know if you heard the question.
	What was the question?
	Would it be a man who is unwilling to sacrifice his life for you?
	Is it would you view him as less attractive or less masculine?
	Maybe slightly not fulfilling his role as like a protector, but I don't know.
	I maybe because I've been independent for so long, I take on that role more myself.
	So I just don't see it as like a deal breaker, but yes, maybe a little.
	I don't see myself ever being in the position to like sacrifice my life for a man.
	So I feel like it's kind of a double standard to expect him to do that for me if I'm not willing to do it for him.
	So at the end of the day, like I don't see that as less attractive.
	Okay.
	Fair enough.
	Fair enough.
	I don't know if we go full into this condo here.
	If I reveal my position on it.
	Do you want to go and start going through some of the tests?
	Yeah, we.
	YouTube video, tweets.
	The tweets are out because, well, you can.
	Yeah.
	We're not going to do the YouTube video.
	Was there something else we were going to pull up?
	I'm trying to remember.
	We need to do well, I mean, on this note, I think it's actually so, if you're a woman and you're like a traditional woman and you want a guy to protect you, I think that's totally valid.
	But if you're not a traditional woman, you can't be demanding a man to be.
	You can't be like upset if a guy wouldn't be willing to risk his life.
	Not risk his life for you Yeah, Even if you would do the same for him.
	But like it's crazy to me because, like those of you who answered Bear, like you'd want a guy to, you'd want your boyfriend to sacrifice his life for you, but y'all pick bear over, ma'am.
	Well, this is your boyfriend that like you love and like you're devoted to and not a random man.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Not a random man.
	I would go as far to say that I would expect a man on a first date to act in that way.
	So to sacrifice on a very first date.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Explain it a bit further, but I have a follow-up.
	Like I would expect a man to step in and be a protector in any scenario.
	Even if it means losing his life on the first date.
	Yeah.
	Interesting.
	Now, let me ask you a question, though.
	So we heard from her earlier that she went on 30 dates in one month's time.
	Sometimes she even went on two dates in a day.
	Now, do you think that a man, knowing that, you know, for example, let's say she went on a date with a guy, it was the lunch date, and that man knew that right afterwards, she was going on a dinner date that very night with a different man.
	Do you think that a man in that situation should sacrifice his life for a woman who's dating multiple other men at the same time?
	I don't think it necessarily has to do anything with like a romantic relationship.
	It's more of a man's role in a man's.
	Oh, so he should do it for a stranger even?
	Yes.
	A man should even sacrifice his life for a total stranger.
	Yes.
	Let me ask you a question.
	You're in a relationship, right?
	Uh, your boyfriend, would it be you?
	I'm so glad I'm not dating donated $200.
	If I was married to a hormonal raging entitled Non-Submissive 304, if someone attacked us and it was life or death, I would shoot her in the chest so the attacker didn't have to live with the pain.
	Okay.
	That makes a lot of sense.
	So you had, thank you.
	I'm so glad I'm not dating because it's you in the chat.
	If you had a boyfriend, or sir, excuse me, you currently have a boyfriend.
	Yes.
	You've been dating for 1.5 years.
	You would want, let's say you, do you want to have children with this guy one day?
	Let's say you have kids, right?
	Would you want him to potentially, let's say he saw some conflict going on and he was going to do the heroic thing, try to get involved.
	He actually ends up dying by trying to break up this conflict.
	Say it was a woman.
	He was trying to save a woman.
	Would that be worse or would that be better or worse for your family for him to go and die, but do the heroic thing?
	It'd be heartbreaking, but I actually am very confident that he would do that.
	But you would still, well, let's, fine.
	Let's say he would do that.
	So he's in the service.
	That's another point.
	Like, military people are doing that for a while.
	He would on a single day do that.
	And that's kind of like the thing.
	We're talking about a different context here.
	So that would.
	No, we would not be better off without him.
	That's the answer.
	But you would still desire for him to do that?
	I think for the protection of someone else.
	Yeah.
	I think that that is a heart-level commitment.
	Thank you, Duran.
	Huh?
	I'm thinking somebody.
	Don't worry about that.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I just think that that would be what would happen, and I know that.
	And so hopefully, Lord willing, that never happens.
	But I know that going into our relationship, that that's the kind of man that he is, he would.
	So just going back to that.
	I like accepting that, you know.
	I'm also accepting him going to fight, if he has to, for our country, for people who don't give a rip about what he's fighting for.
	So.
	Where's your boyfriend deployed?
	Is he deployed?
	You said he's in the military?
	Yeah, he has been.
	Where was he?
	Was he in Afghanistan?
	I'm not sharing information.
	Okay.
	But yeah, he's.
	Is he really?
	I mean.
	Is he really defending?
	I don't think that.
	I'm not trying to have a military conversation.
	Yeah, I don't want to share more information, but he's definitely been in dangerous situations.
	But, okay, on the micro level, I absolutely like support individual soldiers.
	On the macro level, frankly, a lot of these wars that we're involved in have absolutely nothing to do with the defense of America or the people of America.
	We've wasted, I don't know, was it trillions of dollars in the Middle East for what?
	We were in Vietnam for what?
	We were involved in all these conflicts for what?
	So it's not clear to me, at least in more modern military conflicts, if these men are really protecting well, at least that's the idea that they're given, right?
	That's what they're doing.
	Are they protecting the nation or hold on?
	Or, sorry here, Mason.
	Or is it in the interest of the oligarchs and the people that have the military-industrial complex who have an interest in, you know, there's a financial component.
	Yeah, there's the sentiment behind it.
	And there's so many things that I wouldn't say are like amazing about the military, but I do respect so much our country in the way that we are protected in a general sense.
	And I'm not saying it's perfect by any means, and I don't really want to dive deeper into that, but I'm really, really, really grateful.
	No, but I think, look, on the micro level, the soldiers, I think they all have good intentions, and that's what they want.
	They want to protect their nation.
	They want to protect, you know, but I think the military conflicts on the macro level that we find ourselves in, it doesn't really, now in the future we could be.
	We could be involved in something, a righteous war.
	I mean, there's some debate there, but the more recent military conflicts, I'm like, are we just really fucking brutalizing these people in these countries?
	I don't know if you want to weigh in on this, Mason.
	I mean, you're joining the military.
	Yeah.
	So I guess speaking to more recent conflicts, the experience that has been, I guess, relayed by the people who've been over there, the enemy that we were fighting in most of these recent conflicts in the Middle East were absolutely like monsters of human beings.
	So, I mean, like hanging dead corpses in the streets.
	And there's, oh, gosh, well, I can't remember his name.
	One of I hate, I hate that I don't remember.
	Saddam Hussein?
	Not Saddam Hussein.
	It was like his underling.
	What is his name?
	He was like more active in the terrorist scene.
	He was like one of the main leaders.
	You're not talking about Bin Laden, are you?
	No, no, no, no, not Bin Laden.
	No, it wasn't Saddam's underling.
	I think he was associated with Bin Laden.
	I cannot remember his name for the life of me.
	But anyway, just absolutely probably tortured and killed tens of thousands of people.
	So, I mean, there is, yeah, okay, there are motivations by people in our government that are not altruistic and great, but there is very good work being done.
	And especially the part of the military that I want to go into, the special warfare community, the vast majority of those guys are like men's men, usually pretty conservative, traditional guys who they get sent on the missions where they are protecting a whole lot of people that do not have protection.
	That speaks very true to what I want to do.
	I want to be that kind of guy.
	I want to have that kind of training, especially for the future fight when our vision is now set on China, Russia.
	Yeah, two nations that are very opposed to America in general, how we prioritize freedom over security.
	I'm just going to move it on.
	I'm just going to move it on.
	But I mean, just to bring it back to the original question was, so, like, for example, how she's going on 30 dates with, you know, you went on 30 first dates, if I recall correctly, in the morning.
	Oh, I did.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I was meeting people.
	You occasionally went on.
	Right, but like.
	Let's let's phrase it correctly, though.
	I was meeting people.
	They were first dates.
	I wasn't dating multiple men like a serial dater.
	Okay, fine.
	That's what you're like, you know, some of the men you're posturing.
	No.
	Well, it's kind of, I mean, this characterization is a bit.
	We're not.
	You're kind of like weaponizing information.
	How am I weaponizing it?
	It's like it's making it out to be like this, like these women that are dating all of these men all at one time.
	And should men really even be like protecting them?
	And, you know, I'm of the opinion, yeah, like a man that I met for a first date, I have no expectations of him.
	I could be a perfect stranger, you know, to him and vice versa.
	I mean, the point I'm arguing, though, the point I'm arguing, though, is that like as a woman, in order for you to be, to feel like you're entitled to this extreme sacrifice on the man's part, I think you should be trying to move in like a so, okay, men's asking about my early.
	I don't think so, but hold on.
	We can get back into that.
	So a man willing to sacrifice his life for a woman would be the ultimate form of chivalry.
	There is no greater sacrifice a man can make than to lay down his life for a woman.
	So what is the so okay?
	If there's this expectation on men to be chivalrous, there ought to be a corresponding expectation on women to be ladies.
	And I would argue, in order to be a late, a respectable lady, to be deserving of a man to sacrifice his life for you, you certainly can't be dating multiple men at the same time, even going just on first, multiple first dates.
	So in this scenario with her, if I was on a first date with a woman and I was inclined to sacrifice my life for a woman, I would advise a man that it would be ludicrous to sacrifice your life for a woman who has a date planned with another man right after you.
	You're not getting, you're going to do the ultimate chivalrous thing, die for her, and she's going to see another guy later that night.
	That would be crazy to me.
	But under your framework, you think a guy should die for a woman who's going to go date another guy that night?
	Is that your position?
	So just answer the question.
	Do you think he should still die under those circumstances?
	Yes.
	Can I give more info?
	So your answer is yes, though.
	Yes.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	So I also, to put it into more of like my mindset, is like we did this whole, I had this whole, you know, epiphany kind of thing in college.
	We had this like active shooter scenario training in one of my classes.
	And they talked about like how you, I mean, basically, like you should be willing to jump on that shooter.
	The men should no, just anyone.
	So I was thinking through, they're like, whoever's closest to the door, they're coming in the door.
	The best way to stop that active shooter is to attack that person.
	And so I was like, dang, like, that is crazy.
	Like, that is such a challenge.
	Like, I don't know if I could do that, blah, blah, blah.
	But like, it really got into my head and I thought about it a lot.
	And I'm like, man, I could.
	I could protect the other people that are there.
	I'm the closest person there.
	Like, what am I going to do?
	Like, that is.
	This isn't really relevant.
	I'm just saying that I would want to do the same thing.
	So the man, no matter who the girl's going on a date with afterward, he should still do it.
	If I were in that position, I'm not going to be like, wait, are you a felon?
	Wait, like, are you whatever?
	You can't know everybody's history.
	So do you hold yourself to that same stance?
	Yes.
	Right, but like, let's zoom out and like, let's just actually analyze it.
	If we know all the facts, should a man, here, I'll just give you the extreme example and see where, like, see where there's logical consistency here.
	Let's assume that man's going on a first date with a girl and she's currently sleeping with three other men.
	If we're zoomed out and we're doing an analysis on that situation, should the man then sacrifice his life for a woman who's currently having sexual intercourse with three other men?
	I think that's kind of insane.
	Let her answer the question.
	She's coming from an unbiased place.
	She's coming from a place of human to human.
	Yeah.
	Like she's not putting labels or notions.
	You're putting a label on the man that he needs to act in a certain way.
	He needs to sacrifice his life.
	I'm putting the labels.
	We sacrifice our lives as women too by having children.
	Childbirth.
	Okay, that's a lot of women.
	We have one of the highest maternal death rates.
	We're getting into a logical fallacy here.
	That's a fallacy.
	Yes.
	What aboutism?
	What about us women who have to sacrifice in this other way that's totally unrelated to the scenario I'm doing?
	It's life still.
	No.
	Do many women die in childbirth.
	Of all the men that you've had first dates with, did you have children with every single one of those men?
	No, and I also didn't sleep with every single one of those men and I also didn't.
	Right, but she's making the argument that a man, even on the first date, he should sacrifice his life for that woman.
	She's coming from an unbiased perspective.
	That I'm not really following, but so even in the scenario I painted, the woman is sleeping with three other men.
	Should the man lay down his life for that woman?
	I think a respectable man still would.
	So, okay, so, and is a man sacrificing his life for a woman chivalrous?
	Yep.
	Okay, so why do you have this, why do men have to be chivalrous for, I would, would you agree with me that a woman who's currently sleeping with three men and going on a first date with this new guy, would you consider that the, what's the right word?
	The there's no chivalry.
	There's not chivalry.
	Yeah, there's not chivalry for one.
	Would that be ladylike of her?
	No.
	So are women who are not ladylike deserving of chivalry?
	Yes.
	Why?
	Because I believe in grace.
	And I also, like, part of it.
	But why would women have grace for men in that scenario?
	That's crazy.
	Because you're literally saying, well, men should have grace for women and men should have this role in society where it's their natural inclination to provide and protect and lay down their life when there's no expectation on the women to do the same, to have any reason for them.
	I have expectations for women.
	Like, I have expectations for everyone.
	In this scenario.
	In this scenario?
	No, go ahead.
	No, in this scenario, she's sleeping with three men, so she's not meeting that expectation, and yet there is the expectation on the man.
	That's what I'm saying.
	And I agree with this point.
	Listen, there's a lot of things I don't agree with, but I totally agree with the fact that you cannot expect a man to be a gentleman if you are not behaving as a lady.
	And I have learned that lesson the hard way.
	So you believe in she's asking for it kind of things?
	Whoa, like, like, if she, because you're not.
	Are you talking about SA?
	Like, you're like, oh, if she's not acting like a lady, then a man doesn't have to act like a gentleman.
	That is nothing.
	That's okay.
	Okay, it is an extreme take.
	It's an extreme take.
	But anyway.
	You're warping.
	No, you're completely warping what I'm saying.
	And if I'm not afraid of that, but she asked a question.
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah, but that's a crazy question to ask.
	Based on what I am saying, that's like such a far leap.
	So if she's dating three guys, you think she deserves to die?
	What?
	I never said she deserves to die, but in this scenario, there's a car coming.
	Okay, I'm not saying that she deserves to be a divorce.
	You shouldn't expect a chivalrous man.
	Why would a man give up his entire life, his existence on this beautiful planet, for a woman who doesn't give a shit enough to date only him?
	That's crazy.
	I'm sorry.
	I believe he should have the inclination as a woman.
	So I agree with you.
	Like, personally, I would give my life for a woman regardless.
	No, Mason.
	Don't.
	Don't.
	No, you don't.
	Listen, I managed to.
	Well, no, no, it's because I'm a man of extreme conviction.
	But most men are not men of extreme conviction.
	It's very much like, why would I be chivalrous to a woman who is not going to be a lady for me?
	Like, there is so much effort that's being put on so much expectation as a man, but there is very little expectation upon a woman.
	And listen, I think a man, if he is following the true, like, traditional masculine path, I think he should have the inclination, but he should have the self-respect to know, like, hey, I'm not being treated with reciprocity here.
	There is not a woman who is meeting this expectation as a lady.
	And therefore, that's insane to give up my fucking existence on this beautiful planet for a woman who doesn't give a shit about me.
	And he should have the inclination, but that doesn't mean that it's right for him to do it.
	Listen, I feel all the time I think of these active shooter situations.
	I feel like I'd jump in front of a bullet for fucking anybody because I'm a caring, nurturing, loving person.
	But I'm telling you, when it's on a date, like, I don't understand why women are expecting men to open doors, pay the bill, show up and do all these things when women are out there texting 5,000 men at the same time, setting up all these different dates and sleeping with all these different people.
	Okay, but let's not demonize women.
	Men are doing it too.
	We're not.
	It's just being a woman.
	We're not talking.
	We're not seeing each other.
	Men are dogmas.
	Listen, men are dogs too.
	Hold on.
	But we're talking about in this scenario, the expectation that's on men versus women.
	We're not talking about how men, I know men who've slept around.
	Listen, every time that I slept around with a man, there was a man waiting right there to exploit my brokenness.
	So yes, I know what you're saying.
	But what I am saying is I didn't act like a lady, so they didn't act like gentlemen, and I shouldn't have expected them to act like a girl.
	Do you feel like you deserved it because of that or what?
	I think that I was not behaving in a way that is not a good idea.
	If you're not a lady, why do you think that's a good thing?
	You're not going to be treated like a man to be a gentleman.
	Men don't aren't obligated to have a life of strangers.
	And they're not obligated to open doors and do all these things for you.
	They do it because they want to do it for a lady who cares for them, who is willing to put in the same effort on her end, maybe in a different capacity because she's a woman and not a man.
	But I'm saying it's supposed to be a mutual thing here.
	It's not supposed to be men do this amazing, chivalrous thing all the time and take care of us and treat us well.
	And yet women can do whatever the hell they want.
	I don't think anyone proposed that either, though.
	We're talking about a man.
	I'm not sure what the side is kind of shifted towards, though.
	I think it's just crazy that you can sit here and say that there would be an expectation on a man to sacrifice his life, ultimate chivalry, for a woman who's totally degenerate, who's a total degenerate, who's not a lady, who's not moving in a traditional way, who's currently having sexual intercourse with three other men.
	How, like, I don't understand the logic there.
	He should have the inclination as the man.
	Like, yes, I have this inclination as my natural masculinity.
	I do want to provide and protect.
	But, like, we are never going to progress as a society if we don't look at how both of us have a responsibility to act in a certain way towards one another.
	You can't expect something from one gender.
	Do you want to respond to anything?
	Yeah, I mean, I just get, like, I see, I see your point of view.
	It's unfair.
	I think I'm trying to do that.
	Jesus walked this planet and literally went and talked to prostitutes, tax collectors, all of the sinners in the streets, right?
	Yeah.
	And he did not hesitate to die for all of humanity.
	So, this is, if you guys are talking about Christianity, biblical values, things like that, where literally, you know.
	But Jesus didn't marry the prostitutes and he saved them through grace.
	I'm not talking about marrying anybody.
	What does that have to do with this relationship scenario?
	If you didn't jump in front of the car, I wouldn't hold that against you.
	You know, like I would.
	Well, what's my point?
	What about the bullet?
	The bullet.
	The bullet.
	If you didn't jump in front of the bullet for some random girl you just went on a date for, I wouldn't be like, dinged as a man.
	Yeah, I would just be like, that's a crazy situation.
	A lot of women do want a man who'd be willing to sacrifice themselves for them.
	And I do too, but I wouldn't, I just wouldn't like berate you for that decision if you didn't, right?
	Jump in front of a car or a bullet or whatever.
	Would it change if that man's like your dad or your brother?
	Chick, I would expect my dad to be a bad.
	If my dad didn't jump in front of a bullet.
	I wouldn't expect the boy's red, but I would expect my dad to red.
	Yeah, it ultimately just comes down to this, right?
	So I get your point, though.
	I really do.
	Right.
	So there's you have non-traditional women who demand and expect and feel entitled to traditional treatment from men.
	Now, the bullet one's an extreme example, although there's even non-traditional women who are prepared to demand the ultimate traditional treatment, the ultimate sacrifice from men.
	But on a more realistic scale, you'll have non-traditional women who demand men generally be protectors, generally be providers, pay for first dates, open car doors, be chivalrous.
	But they're not the there's no reciprocity there.
	They're not doing anything traditional.
	So that's kind of my criticism: is that you have this demand that men be traditional, but y'all want to be modern women.
	Y'all want general, like, I feel like those are outliers, too.
	No, it's not.
	No, it's not.
	It's actually not an outlier.
	Look at how many people are saying that it's not a lot of people say they're feminists, and then they still want a man to pay for the first date.
	Like, that's that's if you are a feminist, why are you not splitting the bill?
	It does not have a lick of sense.
	You have traditional women that do want traditional treatment from men, but on top of that, you have a whole bunch of modern women who are not traditional at all that still want the exact same things.
	They want all the traditional treatment from men.
	I have a question, though.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Why are, generally speaking, men feeding into this culture of these modern feminists by subscribing to their OnlyFans, by sending them money, by opening, by opening their doors, by doing all of these extra things.
	Like, that's also a challenge being a more traditional, independent woman and being out on the date scene.
	We like that.
	But how do you get to know them without going on a first date?
	Like, you gave me a lot of being online.
	No, no, no.
	30 different 30 different first dates, but how do I get to know somebody if I don't meet them?
	You can talk to them for like a day on an app or something like that.
	I've told you I talked to them on an app and they're completely different in the virtual realm than they're doing.
	But that's nothing you do.
	You can do it one person at a time, and it's totally different.
	One person at a time, but I'm getting a month if there's 30 people.
	It's not one person.
	It was in the beginning of my date.
	So passing judgment, first of all, I'm not bad.
	I don't know.
	That's not good.
	I'm going to share my thoughts and opinions whether you like it or not.
	Okay.
	But you're not supposed to butt in either and let me just like share my view.
	So how are you supposed to actually meet?
	Yeah.
	So how are you supposed to actually meet people without meeting people?
	Like, I got it.
	It's not hard to date one person at a time.
	That's what I was saying.
	So going back to your whole 30 dates.
	But it's not like dating all of those people consistently.
	Can we all agree that modern dating is not like when you say you're dating someone exclusively or even to get to know them, that's you're serially dating them.
	If you're just putting yourself out there and starting to meet people and see who you can possibly have a match or connection with, you're meeting them.
	It's not different than going to a church event at multiple different churches and meeting different people.
	How is that any different?
	Okay, so explain that phenomenon to me.
	You're meeting people.
	Okay.
	You're creating opportunities to meet someone.
	You're saying modern dating, though, and then you're saying you expect traditional treatment.
	So like the whole point is you're participating in the modern dating.
	Modern dating.
	We're all participating in modern dating because guess what?
	We can't not be in the modern dating scene because it's modern day today.
	No, but you can actually.
	There's plenty of people that don't move like that that aren't like going on, that aren't going on 30 day first dates in a month.
	If I was encountering a girl and she's like, Brian, I have a date planned for, if I was on a date with her on Saturday, Brian, I have a date for Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
	I'd be like, well, obviously that's not how you deal with that kind of girl.
	Okay, so then what if you go to a mixer?
	What if you go to a mixer at church, for example, and there's 30 women there and 30 men there, and you meet all 30 and you're happy to be there?
	Is that different?
	How is that different than getting to know them?
	Go up to each and thirsting over 30 dudes or the deuce.
	How are you thirsting if you're getting to know them?
	That's not like, that's not unreasonable.
	I'm sorry.
	When you say mixer, you're saying like, when you say mixer.
	There's nothing wrong with getting to know people and meeting people.
	There's nothing wrong with it.
	Just because I went on 30 dates doesn't mean I was romantically invested in 30 people.
	It's a romantic date.
	That's crazy.
	The 30 dates meeting.
	Like going on dates with guys is like a romantic endeavor.
	You might not be developing romantic feelings towards the other person because you're turned off by something about them.
	It's one date.
	You explore it and then you close the chapter and you move on.
	It streams like a desperation for romantic attention.
	Like, I'm not saying I understand exactly where you were in life.
	Exactly.
	That's the point.
	Well, the thing is, it's extremely unhealthy, regardless of where you were.
	Like, you were in that situation and you responded in an extremely unhealthy way.
	Right.
	And then I went through therapy and then I handled all those things.
	Yeah.
	But it would behoove all of us to not pass judgment on people because of the way that they came out there and explored their life.
	We all treat judgment as this like cuss word.
	People judge all the time.
	Every people use their judgment, but not judge people.
	It is important to judge people.
	You need to have a chance.
	I judge that this person is a son.
	You judge their character, but you don't judge them as a person and their discipleship.
	How is that any different?
	The Bible says you judge yourself so that you won't be judged at once with the rest of the world, right?
	So you need to read that passage.
	No, it says read that entire passage.
	I know the passage.
	Remove the planet.
	I know what it is.
	It's Matthew chapter 7.
	And actually, Jesus himself commands you to judge in that passage.
	Later in the passage, he tells them you will know them by their fruits.
	Yes, the fruits are not.
	A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit.
	Right.
	And you will know them, but you will not judge them because judgment is left for our Lord to be one day.
	No, no, no.
	In the very beginning of that passage, he also tells you not to cast your pearls before swine.
	Do not tell people about your judgment when they're just going to trample all over it.
	Right.
	So there are productive conversations.
	He commands us to judge.
	She's not saying we are the ones who are going to judge people at the end of the day.
	No, no, that's kind of the thing.
	And I'm not judging you as a person when I do that.
	But judgment is important.
	It's an important part of life.
	That's how it comes off.
	But that's a personal perspective.
	Can I ask her a question?
	Just one sec.
	I will let you come in here really quick.
	So, okay.
	Yeah.
	Going on 30 first dates with 30 different men in a period of a month is absolutely excessive.
	You're within your right to do it, but I would argue most men.
	Like if the guys are just trying to fuck you, then maybe they don't care.
	No, no, but guys are doing the same thing.
	They're trying to meet someone that they can date consistently.
	There's nothing wrong with that.
	Do you think most men are capable of going on 30 first dates with 30 different women in one month?
	Most men don't have that kind of optionality, but you as a Have you ever been in a long-term, what was your longest-term relationship?
	I've dated a girl for five years.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So that was your longest relationship.
	Sure.
	Mine was 14 years.
	How is that relevant at all?
	It's relevant because when you have not been out on the dating scene, dating is not just about like fucking, like you keep saying, about sex.
	It's not about that.
	Dating is about getting to know people, meeting people, finding out what is your type of person and a potential match.
	So you have to know what you're saying.
	You're not even making an argument.
	But the intention is also with romantic interest.
	Right.
	Versus going to church and meeting people at church.
	You're not romantically interested in every single person.
	People go to youth convention, Christian youth conventions all the time to hopefully meet their future wives or husbands.
	They go with romantic interests.
	I hope I find my wife at church.
	That'd be awesome.
	But it's not a guaranteed, I am going to this function to find a potential romantic interest.
	That's why I think that's every single date is.
	Every single date is.
	And that's bad though.
	When you go to church, that's not the immediate intention.
	The immediate intention when you go to church is, I'm here to worship God.
	Exactly.
	And then hopefully, maybe I'll find a woman here that also shares those same values.
	That's not the purpose of it.
	It shouldn't be.
	However, it can quickly become that.
	Also, sometimes churches have like singles clubs and ministries and stuff.
	Removing religion from this.
	I would argue that, yeah, like going on.
	Imagine the, yeah.
	This is my future wife.
	The first day I met her, I knew it was love.
	I knew, I knew she was the one.
	She did go on that date immediately after our date with the other guy, and who knows how far along they got, but yeah.
	Like I, it's a bad look.
	There's impropriety there for you to be going on that many dates together.
	I think that's your perspective and your perception.
	I think it's dispersed.
	My perception is I would hope that my person has been out on the dating scene, has explored all their options.
	By the time they get to me or vice versa, we know what we want and we know to stay and invest time and attention to that.
	But can I add that right here?
	Are you a traditional woman, would you say?
	Yes, I have five children.
	But that is a non-traditional dating.
	Yeah, that is non-traditional dating.
	You are absolutely correct because I lived a very traditional, very conservative, ultra-religious lifestyle.
	But you're saying you're currently still traditional.
	And so just what I'm saying is if you participate in a critical thinker and independent, I have recreated.
	I just asked you and you said, yes, you were traditional.
	So that's why I'm asking you because that is traditional.
	Participating in the hookup culture, which is what that is.
	If a man ever told me he's got 30 dates lined up.
	You're making assumptions that every date was a hookup.
	I never said that.
	No, you still with anything.
	No, I don't assume that.
	That's why they were first dates.
	That's why it's so frustrating that you guys are lumping this into like this hookup culture.
	Oh, I still, even if you didn't sleep with any of those dates.
	Yeah, I still absolutely object.
	And that's your opinion.
	And you're entitled to it.
	And my opinion is that you should explore.
	There was a girl in here before that.
	I just did something really similar, and I don't remember you giving her such backlash.
	I always give.
	I always give.
	She did?
	The girl that was like, I didn't like date until I was 20, and then she went on a date.
	She's like, married her to number 14 or something like that.
	There was a few of you.
	And listen, like, I don't like you as a person.
	I'm not attacking you.
	And like, I don't know what they're saying as you're doing.
	So, like, how far in advance would you plan these dates, say, with like for the whole entire month?
	No.
	Just day by day or absolutely.
	I mean, you're matching, you're getting to know somebody.
	You're like, okay, let's meet.
	Like, I'm not the person that's also going to create like a textationship.
	Because, like I said, I started learning really quickly.
	Someone's going to present a certain way electronically, and they're going to be probably very different.
	And it took me a while to hack the system and figure out and filter out.
	How many total first dates do you think you've gone on in the past?
	You said the starting point.
	I don't know.
	I don't know, but I met people out on the scene.
	I've never gone on over 100 first dates in my life.
	Does it matter?
	Does it matter?
	Because I've found someone that actually sees me for who I am.
	I know exactly what I want.
	And when I identified him, we locked it in monogamously.
	So it doesn't even matter what the journey was.
	How many first dates do you think you went on?
	I don't know.
	And I'm honestly not going to tell you.
	Why?
	Because all you're doing is weaponizing it and making me look like I'm this.
	No one is trying to do that.
	You can hungry person.
	No one has said that this is a good thing.
	I'm less of a value woman just because I went on multiple dates.
	No, but that's what's being done.
	But you said yourself, I did ask you at one point, I asked you if you thought that was a healthy pattern, and you said no, and yet you're defending it right now.
	And so I'm telling you.
	I am defending it because everyone goes through their own healing journey.
	Yes, and I still have to do it.
	And it's not our part.
	Listen, I see that.
	I saw everyone goes through their own healing journey.
	Dating hundreds of people.
	And until you've been in an actually abusive, controlling relationship and at least had any control over your life, you really have no situation.
	I'm going to tell you right now that you do not know my past, but I'm telling you, I have slept with a lot of people.
	I have a pretty significant past, and I am able to sit here and say it was unhealthy.
	It was wrong.
	I will not defend it.
	I wish I didn't do it.
	I wish I could have done things differently.
	And it was not traditional.
	And I'm just saying, if you are wanting to say you're traditional and you recognize it's not healthy, we shouldn't be perpetuating that this is somehow worthy of like a chivalrous man who's going to be expecting you to be like it's not ladylike.
	It's not traditional.
	And I'm just saying, we're not attacking you, we're attacking the ideology.
	Let me jump in really quick.
	Let me jump in really quick.
	I'm going to ask you guys a question here.
	Do you want a long-term relationship?
	Do I want one?
	Do you want one?
	Yes.
	Do you want a long-term relationship?
	Yeah.
	Do you want a long-term relationship?
	Okay.
	My question to you is: let's say you went on a date with a guy, and your goal, you're not just trying to fuck him.
	It's not like a casual hookup.
	You're like, hey, I want a long-term relationship.
	That's your goal.
	This guy tells you, by the way, I have 30, 40, 50 more dates lined up.
	I have a date tonight.
	I have a date.
	I have dates with other women all this week.
	Do you think if you were desirous of a long-term relationship that this would be the type of man that you ought to pursue?
	No.
	No.
	No, because I don't think I'm getting a fair chance at that point.
	That's a good, it's a good point because he's not going to give you a fair chance.
	So, I mean, if you're desirous of a long-term relationship, it's just not a good look.
	I don't care about the look.
	It really doesn't impact me at all because I know who I am as a person, and I know that my person and my match is going to identify and who I am, and vice versa.
	So, like, I've never been on dating apps or anything before by a lot of friends that have.
	And you can easily talk to, go on a virtual first date with 30 people really quickly, I would assume, right?
	By just messaging them.
	Like, do you view that differently than meeting them in person?
	Like, what's your perspective on that?
	Because I feel like you can ask someone and be like, hey, what's up?
	Be like having and that actually wasn't even a function because I got on the dating scene a month before the pandemic hit.
	I've literally seen the evolution of the apps.
	Yeah, so they did not have films.
	I'm pretty sure they always had no, they did not have picture function, they did not have video camera.
	That was an evolution that happened late in 2020.
	But like, couldn't you just be like texting 30 people easily?
	I wouldn't date a girl like that.
	Look, I'll just give you my perspective on this.
	Maybe I don't move the same way as a lot of guys.
	Like, if I'm interested in a woman, that's who I'm pursuing, and I'm going to bring it as far as I can.
	And if it doesn't work out with her, then hope it sticks.
	Right.
	And if it doesn't work out with her, then I'll start entertaining other options.
	But I don't do this thing of, okay, I'm just going to talk to like 10 chicks, fuck three of them, keep them on the back burner for three months, and then the one I like the most.
	Maybe I'll be able to do it.
	See how you're painting that picture?
	Like, that's not what I did.
	And that's what you're making it sound.
	No, I'm just not what I did.
	I'm talking about it.
	I'm not even saying that's what you did.
	I'm just talking about myself.
	But perhaps you weren't to that degree, but you said you were dating or going on dates with multiple people.
	I was going on first dates to meeting.
	It's literally the same thing.
	Thank you for watching.
	It is not the same thing.
	It's a date.
	Did any of these men you went on second dates with?
	Third dates with?
	That was in like the beginning phases.
	And I kid you not, all of them were like first dates.
	Like, nope, nope, cool.
	Nope, nope.
	Doesn't matter.
	I was learning what I wanted.
	And my question to you is: like, in life, when you were younger and you were like out on the dating scene and stuff, did you have any restrictions or were you able to like meet as many women or young ladies as you kind of wanted to and get to know them?
	I mean, certainly there's been periods, and I've had periods.
	Hold on, let me finish.
	There's been periods when I was on the dating apps, but I mean, I was fairly intentional.
	Like, if I'm not, I have no interest in sleeping with a girl once.
	If I want to get with a girl, there's going to be, there's going to be continuity.
	Look, it's certainly possible that she doesn't want to continue seeing me, although that's relatively rare.
	But yes, there's absolutely going to be continuity.
	So I don't want to just fuck a girl once and never talk to her again.
	Right.
	To me, that's pointless.
	It's a waste of time.
	I'm very like, I'm a busy person.
	I don't have time to be just, oh, let me just fuck a girl once and then put in all the effort and never talk to her again.
	And that doesn't interest me.
	But that's not what I'm even like propagating or talking about.
	I'm talking about meeting people.
	Yeah, but I don't even have, I don't have an interest.
	I don't have an interest in, if I was on it, I would probably screen it out to begin with.
	You know, if I'm meeting a girl and she's like, this actually happened to me when I was on dating apps.
	And look, I know this is how people move on dating apps.
	I was on a date with a girl and, you know, I'm trying to remember the exact details, but I was on a date with her.
	She told me she just downloaded the Hinge.
	It was a Hinge date, and I think she'd had it for three days.
	She told me I'd only been on the app for three days.
	It's my first date with her.
	I think it was a Saturday.
	She tells me on the date, credit to her, I guess, so I could disqualify her immediately.
	She told me, by the way, you know, because we were just talking, oh, so how's your experience been on the dating apps?
	Blah, blah, blah.
	That's how we got to it.
	She tells me, oh, yeah, I've already been on two dates, and then I have three dates, three other dates planned for this weekend, and a couple other dates planned.
	I was like, I mean, I continued the conversation with her for a bit, but then I was like, but that's also a different posture.
	Like, how disrespectful can it possibly be for you to be like, oh, I've been on a couple of dates and I also have a few dates after you.
	Like, I give that person my attention.
	But you don't know what to do.
	Just because I'm not going to be doing you're doing that.
	That's what you're not doing.
	She just asked me.
	Are you pre-planning 30 different dates?
	Like, no, I'm connecting with someone.
	I'm talking to them.
	Now I want to meet them in person, see if they're a good match.
	But you're talking or not.
	I move on to the next one.
	Two in a day.
	I mean, that sounds like pretty like you're setting up a roster.
	And honestly, like, I'll be honest.
	Like when I'm on a dating app, I have maybe a few conversations with people.
	They fizzle out, whatever.
	But I'm not like setting up.
	I'm not trying to judge you.
	I'm just saying like you choose to do life, and then I choose to do life.
	But you can't say it's a traditional way of living.
	If I'm going to give a prescription here, my advice to men would be you ought only date women who are immediately giving you their undivided romantic and sexual attention.
	I have a question for you.
	Got it.
	So if that girl were to want to just pursue you after that first date and cancel the rest of her dates, would you still consider her discussion?
	Or would you still disqualify her?
	Right.
	It depends a little bit.
	It's still not, I mean, if she's like, okay, I really like Brian, I'm going to cut off everybody else.
	Yeah.
	Then I give her some leeway, but it's still like not the most ideal way to be moving, in my view.
	Yeah, no, I agree.
	I don't think that.
	Because I think, okay, well, what about the past?
	Has she been sexually involved recently with anybody else?
	Like, I don't want to date a girl who just like, I'm going on a first date with you and you hooked up with a guy the night before.
	I don't want to date you.
	Yeah, that totally makes sense.
	And I don't agree with what you did, but I would assume that if you wanted to pursue one of the guys that you want to date with, I would cancel my other date.
	Yeah, you would cancel the other date and continue to pursue that guy.
	I don't know.
	For me personally, I'm pretty straightforward.
	I don't like to play games.
	I'm just going to tell a girl I like you like it's going to be a fucking what do I say?
	Wrecking ball.
	No, it's just going to be like, I'm not going to play a game where we're like for three months we're in a situationship and like you're fucking other dudes.
	I'm fucking.
	I'm fucking other.
	I was about to say I'm sleeping with other girls.
	Like I'm going to be very intentional.
	I like you.
	If I sleep with you, I want to continue seeing you.
	I agree with that posture.
	And I know that modern dating, for the most part, handles it the way you just said.
	Situationships, three months.
	That's how it is.
	Non-exclusive, sweeping around, whatever.
	And then that's what gets you into a pickle.
	People are incredibly dissatisfied with this whole situationship.
	But I would not use that as a blanket to like meeting people.
	I fully expect and like people should meet people and get to meet people.
	You're not like sleeping with multiple people, but I would still disqualify a girl who's like entertaining that many men.
	Because you're also like, to some degree, you are probably subconsciously comparing them to each other in a sense.
	You're like, well, this date went like this with this guy, and then that date goes like this with that guy.
	And like, you can't be satisfied because you're just constantly moving on to the next, the next, to the next.
	And maybe there would have been somebody that would have been worthy, but you just were so busy setting up all these dates that, you know, you kind of didn't even give anybody maybe a viable date.
	It screams like, I need romantic attention, but I do not want to form connections with people because I'm scared of being home.
	Well, I have a question, a scenario, right?
	If you're sitting at a dinner table and you have a guest and this guest has had consistent meals and eaten well-fed, well-raised, whatever, how do you expect that they're going to eat their food?
	Are they going to use their forks?
	Properly.
	Right, properly, like normally.
	So then if you're at a dinner table with someone that has been lost in the woods without any food, starved to the point of almost death, and you've invited them to dinner after 30 days of not eating, how are they going to eat?
	Listen, I understand that they're not going to be able to get paid.
	I understand your conversation.
	Like a pig with their hands, like they're in survival mode.
	Sure, okay.
	So we can't just throw these judgments on people.
	Like I'm speaking for all of domestic violence.
	I've tweeted today.
	I said that, listen, we do need to have compassion and empathy for people because not everybody's operating under the same level of their faculties due to whatever they've been through, blah, blah, blah.
	Does not absolve us of personal responsibility.
	And we have in your example, the person who comes starving for a very long time and gets food.
	There's no moral, like, it's not morally wrong to start shoveling food down because you're hungry.
	But it is morally, it's wrong to lead these guys on.
	You're not leading them on if you've gone on one date and you've said, I'm not interested.
	Thank you.
	It's probably not morally wrong.
	If you're not sure, that is actually morally correct.
	It's morally wrong to have multiple men on a roster and to just keep them there hanging for three months at a time.
	That you just that day, you just randomly swiped on a random guy, matched with him, said, Hey, let's meet up in like a couple hours.
	No, but a couple of days prior, has nobody ever matched on an app that has an obligation of let's take this in person.
	Many guys are planning out your week dependent upon no, I wasn't planning out my week.
	Don't put words in my mouth because I know that's something you have to.
	I've been on the street.
	In order to meet 30 guys in a month, you have to have some kind of plenty of kids and you have a life.
	It's logistically impossible.
	I gave a okay.
	Can I ask a question?
	One thing really quick.
	So, as somebody who used to be on the dating apps, been off them for a while, at least from the guys' perspective, maybe it could be different from women if you were a bit more making yourself a bit more available.
	From my perspective, it's very difficult to get a woman on a date same day that you match them.
	Even if you ask for the date, let's say you don't match with them on Thursday, you're typically going to have to plan the date out a couple days.
	Most people are not available dinner dates and longer dates, yes, agreed.
	But a quick coffee date in downtown wherever you are doesn't take much planning if you have a flexible schedule.
	I have to be like, hey, how are you?
	Are you a sane person?
	You have conversations with these people.
	I said that, obviously.
	I would argue most of the dates that I've been on from dating apps was not like spontaneous, let's meet today.
	It's maybe happened a couple times.
	The vast majority of them were, okay, it's currently Monday.
	What are you doing Thursday?
	What are you doing Friday?
	We plan it days in advance.
	And that's the difference between being single and not having children and being single and actually having to like.
	Wouldn't that mean around whenever you don't have kids?
	You have even more to plan around.
	Yeah, I feel like if you have kids, you would have to plan it even more.
	You would probably have less dates.
	Especially you got to arrange time care like you said.
	We are going to move on.
	We do got to move on.
	Let me read a couple chats.
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	Oh, wait.
	Did this one?
	Did this come through the real question?
	Yeah, I think we've already done this one.
	I'm going to have Alyssa read the one that's about to come up while we do that.
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	And we have, oh, we got two coming in right now.
	Hold on, guys.
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	Any second now.
	Any second now, it's going to come in.
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	There it is.
	Hey.
	Go ahead, Alyssa.
	Oh, boy.
	Would you rather be in the woods with a trans man who by definition is a man or a trans woman who by definition is a woman with a beard and her junk hanging out?
	Wow.
	Okay, just one or two, I guess.
	Oh, Lord.
	Which one?
	Are we answering that?
	Yeah, sure.
	I'm confused by that question even.
	Just say one or two.
	The first or the second.
	I don't even remember what.
	Trans man or trans woman?
	Trans man who isn't by definition?
	Trans man or trans woman?
	I have no preference.
	I don't.
	I'll say it quick, but I don't agree with the definition part, and I don't want someone's junk hanging out, so I don't know.
	I'd off myself.
	I'll answer.
	Trans woman.
	Yeah, I also don't have a preference.
	A comment.
	Whoever's biologically a man.
	Okay.
	A trans woman with her junk hanging out is a penis, right?
	Alyssa, can you read this one?
	Yeah.
	I thought you had therapy for this, so why are you trying so too hard to cope with your decision you know was unhealthy?
	By the way, you hopefully have someone tell you to slow down and chew your food or you'll choke.
	Okay, can we move on?
	Well put, Nickelodeon.
	Okay, we're gonna move on from that.
	I'm finally gonna get into some of my pre-show notes here.
	So starting with Alyssa, you said you wanted to talk about cheating, so have you been cheated on?
	I have been cheated on, yeah.
	Was that by your.
	You said you were in an 18-month relationship.
	Is it that one?
	Yeah, he, I don't know if I would consider it cheating because I never like caught him in the act of like doing anything with her.
	But the thing, the big thing was that he would like constantly go to the gym with this girl.
	And I didn't know what was going on.
	So I just like decided to confront him about it.
	And once I confronted him about it, I like caught him picking her up from like another place.
	Like someone else, like one of my friends, had seen him do that.
	So then that kind of confirmed the fact that he was like hanging out with her without me knowing.
	Especially because we were like supposed to hang out later that day.
	Were you in a long-distance relationship with him?
	No.
	We were living in the same city at the time.
	Sorry.
	You said something about controlling your boyfriend's following.
	What does that mean?
	Like following on Instagram?
	Yeah, yeah.
	We were talking about whether or not that should be allowed.
	I personally don't think that we should have control over it, but Natalia was talking about it.
	I said, I personally wouldn't want my boyfriend following all these girls.
	I just want it.
	I would want him only not like he could follow maybe a childhood friend or his mom, his sister, blah, blah, blah.
	Like IG models, like that kind of shit.
	Yeah, absolutely not.
	If I see Summer Ray on his following list, I would just want him following a model, but I wouldn't be against him following his friends, like that are girls.
	Like female friends?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So, I mean, I'm trying to think here.
	I mean, me personally, I don't follow anyone on Instagram, even on my personal page.
	Well, I follow my own whatever page.
	And then whatever page only follows me.
	But I think it's, I don't think women are wrong for feeling that way.
	But I think it's a massive L for a dude to be following girls, like random hot chicks.
	That's just an L. Not even from the frame of girls don't like it.
	It's just an L in general.
	Like, why are you following, like, you're coombing over these like random hot chicks that would never give you a shot?
	You're, oh, you're so beautiful.
	It's like sin.
	It's like embarrassing to see a guy in the comments of like a supermodel who's never going to notice him.
	It's just like, why are you even doing that?
	Let me give you the male corresponding thing on this.
	So if I just say, if I were to agree with you that it's a bad look for men to be like following these IG models or, you know, whatever it is, liking their photos, would you guys be willing to concede that if you're dating a guy, it's not a good look for you to be posting immodest photos, like bikini photos.
	In general, it's like if your boyfriend objected to you posting.
	I have a bikini photo up right now and I would still keep it.
	Well, but so here's the thing, right?
	If you wouldn't like your guy liking those photos and following those women that post those kind of photos, I think he's just as righteous in not wanting you to have revealing and modest photos on your Instagram.
	You're doing the thing that you don't want him to be looking at.
	So if he objected it, I think I would take it to you.
	But it's me, but it's the men are looking at you.
	So that's the problem.
	Honestly, I'm sure some of my photos are immodest, but honestly, if I was dating somebody who had a problem with it, I would totally take that into consideration because I value his input and I wouldn't want him to feel uncomfortable.
	All right.
	And then the other thing, what is the two-man's thing?
	I think two of you.
	Oh, yeah.
	We wrote these together.
	What is the two-man's thing?
	We were basically talking about it and how it's like kind of like a fun, exciting thing to do.
	But like, some people think it's just weird.
	It's kind of like, how are we talking?
	How are we talking about?
	And when we're saying this, we're going more into the college lifestyle.
	What is two-man's?
	A two-man?
	Okay.
	Two-man's.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	A two-man is like when two guys, like their friends, get two girls and they hang out.
	But the like plan is to hook up at the end of the day.
	Oh.
	So it's not just like, let's go bowling and that's it.
	No, a two-man is like, we go bowling.
	Like a double date, kind of.
	A double date bath.
	But y'all try to do that.
	For the happy ending.
	Yeah, I just two man.
	Yeah, a double date.
	I don't know.
	Wait, so you guys have gone?
	Have you guys?
	No, I haven't.
	No.
	Two men's?
	But the guys are just a big thing, though?
	So I understand that.
	That just is a big thing.
	So the guys will like hit you up and be like, instead of just being like, hey, do you want to hang out?
	They'll be like, hey, do you have a cute girl for me and my friend?
	Yeah.
	You know, it's funny.
	People even make like on dating accounts or dating, what are they, dating apps?
	They'll make like two-man profiles.
	Yeah, like two photos and like over together.
	They're like, we're looking for a third.
	I see what you're talking about.
	Like, I've seen girls do that too.
	They'll be like, hey, it's me, Vanessa, and Becky.
	Looking for a two girl.
	And they're looking for.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	That's kind of weird.
	Yeah.
	It's kind of weird.
	And it's like, it's already hard enough, like, just making a connection just one-on-one.
	But then, like, let's say other people's energy.
	Let's say you have a connection with a guy, but then your girlfriend isn't digging the other dude.
	It's just awkward.
	If you agree to go on a team, I was like, oh my God, like I had to take one for the team.
	Take the grenade.
	Yeah.
	The young people crave drama.
	Yeah.
	And it just put injects so much drama for the plot.
	Also, I feel like it's definitely a younger thing.
	Nobody's going on double dates here.
	Like it's purely hookup culture, which is why a two-man is like a double date, but it's like the best we could get.
	It definitely makes sense.
	As bad as it sounded, sir.
	You wanted to, what's the thing on splitting the bill on dates?
	What were your thoughts on that?
	Oh, we were also talking about that.
	We think that that's like wrong.
	Like, I want to split the bill.
	The man should pay.
	I think the man should pay.
	The man should pay.
	Hold on.
	Wait, but on the first date.
	On the first date for sure.
	Like at the end of the date, yeah.
	I would offer, but on the first date, if you ask me to split it, I'm going to be like, yeah.
	Okay, I came out to the bottom of the city.
	I was talking about this with my boyfriend's sister, and I was like, how do you feel about this?
	And she had a really good point.
	She's like, I feel like whoever initiates is the one that needs to pay.
	So whether that's the girl or the boy, and I was like, oh, that's actually really fair because you're like, hey, I want to get to know you.
	I want to take you out.
	My treat.
	How often does the woman actually initiate the date?
	Because it's mostly the man who initiates asking someone out.
	And women expect the man to initiate nine times a day.
	I think girls initiate a lot more these days than normal, but maybe by a small degree, but you would probably prefer a man be the one to say, hey, I really like you.
	I'd like to take you out.
	You would prefer that.
	So the whole point is that, like, the splitting the bill thing, like, you're expecting a man to pay, but he's the one who's always asking you out.
	So it's always going to be him.
	Even if I were to ask a guy out on a date, if it went really well, I would expect him to end up paying for it.
	Even if it went really well.
	Even if she asked to go on the date.
	Even if she asked.
	Oh, if you asked, you would expect him.
	Okay, yeah.
	Yeah, if it went well, you would expect him.
	What if a date goes badly?
	Do you still expect him to pay?
	Yeah.
	Yes?
	I think the initiator.
	I still like that.
	I stand by that.
	I think that's, yeah, that's it.
	Let me ask you guys a question.
	So the man, hmm.
	Okay, so the man should pay on the first date, right?
	Women should think what would be the corresponding thing here.
	If men should do, it's always interesting.
	Like, there's never any pushback if a woman says men should do ex-traditional gender role.
	But if a man says women should do, like, for example, women should, this isn't my view, but I'm going to give you this as an example.
	Women should.
	Oh my God, I'm going to get clipped.
	I don't know if I should say.
	Say it.
	Okay.
	I was going to get a little bit more.
	Say it before you think too much.
	Cancel men child.
	Are you saying like beautifully single?
	No, like, I mean, I could, the more extreme one would be like, women should be virgins.
	I was going to say, disclose your body count or something.
	But that's, I mean, let me give something a bit less extreme.
	Women should be in the kitchen.
	Is that sexist?
	No, or women should dress up nicely with heels and whatever for a date.
	I think that's like more of like the dress.
	Not all women.
	Like I've been on a date.
	I'm not going to pull up in heels in a dress.
	I pulled up in a casual clothing and he's not going to be a little bit more.
	By the way, that's not.
	Don't clip me.
	That's not a good thing.
	But like ink.
	I think men, a lot of men these days would prefer a woman just to dress like more modestly rather than like flashy and all done up and everything.
	Maybe it's not true for everyone, but from what I'm seeing, it seems like more men are leaning that way.
	But yeah.
	It's also not equivalent because women aren't losing anything to put on a dress.
	Wait, I have a question.
	Yeah, that's answered.
	Do you know any girls that like they're kind of doing the hookup thing where they're like they got a roster?
	You know any girls like that?
	You know any girls like that?
	Know any girls like that?
	Do you think that the man should still pay?
	Like let's say he's taking a girl on the first date, but she like hooked up with a guy.
	It's not like he knows though.
	They're not like, hey, by the way, I hooked up with this guy before you.
	I feel like if you're in that situation, like he asked her on the date.
	Yeah.
	I feel like if they're not.
	So just to be clear, the guy should be chivalrous, traditional, pay for the first date, still pay for the first date, even though she's fucking another guy.
	And even if it doesn't bad, he's still like sleeping with another girl.
	And she's supposed to tell you.
	What if he's not, though?
	What if he wants, you know, what if he's not?
	And what the culture is.
	Keep in mind when I'm like, there's like an automatic, like, they're sleeping with everybody, so it doesn't matter what I do.
	But that's.
	We go to UCSB this year.
	Yeah, we go to UCSB.
	Oh, no, we're not there.
	There's no scenario.
	There's no scenario where I'm going to pay.
	I'm not even going on a date with her.
	I'm not going on a date.
	I don't want anything.
	If a girl's sleeping with another guy, I don't want anything to do with her.
	I don't even want to fuck her once.
	How are you going to know?
	I don't want to kiss her.
	That would be my question.
	What do you do to screen that before going on a first date?
	Yeah.
	I mean, hopefully.
	Are you seeing other people right now?
	Hopefully they tell you the truth.
	If you're led by your values and you try to find somebody who seems like they're, I know you don't know them at first, but try to find someone who seems like they're more aligned with your values, then hopefully you can trust a little bit that they're telling you the truth and you ask them important questions.
	Generally, yeah, someone who's in their dating profile is going to highlight all the things that are important, nothing that's like superficial.
	They're not going on a bunch of dates like one after another.
	Yeah, they're not pushing all of this stuff, all of this stuff that signals a modern dating lifestyle, someone who sleeps around a lot.
	Yeah, those things kind of clue you in.
	Wait, so going back to you, so men should pay for first dates, right?
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	Going around the table on this, actually, men should pay for first aids.
	If they initiate, yeah.
	Yeah, if they ask, then yeah.
	Yes.
	I've paid for plenty of first aids.
	Should men pay, though?
	Do you prefer them to pay?
	I leave it up to them.
	I will offer, and then if they insist, then I'll thank them because it's a kind gesture, but I'm not going to lead with that expectation.
	I would prefer it, but it really depends on how the date goes.
	I don't want a guy to pay if I'm not into it.
	And you said, yes.
	Okay, so that kind of means that you guys buy into traditional gender roles if you think men should pay for the first date, right?
	Yes.
	So why is it okay for women to say men should pay for first aids?
	We can also say men should protect women.
	We already talked about the bullet thing.
	Men should sacrifice their life for women.
	But it's not okay for men to say women should dress modestly.
	I think it's okay for men to say that.
	I never said it wasn't okay.
	Men could say that.
	Well, I'd argue most women would be like, you shouldn't be, you shouldn't control what I wear.
	I think you have a pretty cons, I wouldn't call this like conservative, but like a lot more of a level-headed group in the room than maybe you typically have.
	You have a bikini photo on your Instagram, right?
	I do.
	Okay, so if we were dating and I was like, actually, you know, the gangster move for you would be like, I don't even have to tell you.
	You just take that down.
	You just get it.
	Like, for example, you don't want to tell a guy to have to behave in the ways you want him to behave.
	You want him to just do it automatically, right?
	You don't want to have to teach a guy.
	No, no, no, no.
	Your mom.
	No, no, no, Edgar.
	Yeah, as a guy, that would be the biggest in the world.
	It does not take that much effort to make a man fall for you.
	It's literally, yeah, doing stuff like that.
	Respect.
	That's like respecting me.
	But if I was like, hey, I want you to take that photo down, would you do it?
	If you came to me and expressed a concern about it, I'd be like, all right.
	You know what?
	Like, begrudgingly take it down?
	No, I wouldn't grudgingly take it down.
	I mean, a post is a post.
	All right.
	And then what about, okay, would it be okay for a man to say women should cook for men?
	My dad's like that, and I always tell him off on it with my mom.
	You tell him off?
	Yeah, I tell him off.
	I said, like, once he tried to make me like serve my brother, and I said, no, he could get up and do it himself.
	I'm not going to serve him.
	And I'm not going to cook for a man that says woman needs to cook for him.
	Like, if I do it kind-heartedly and I want to do it for him because he's a good man, I'll do it.
	But I'm not going to do it just because he's a man.
	I think that's a good thing.
	But why then should a man pay for a first date just because he's a man and you're a woman?
	That's just the way I feel.
	It's how you feel.
	That's just the way I feel.
	Okay, so you're fine with the statement, men should pay for first dates, but you're not fine with the statement.
	For a first date, pay for it.
	Hold on.
	Women should cook for men.
	You're not fine with that statement.
	No.
	Why?
	Because I've seen the way, like, my mom, like, she's so submissive.
	It annoys me.
	I'm not going to do that.
	Wait, it annoys you that your mom is submissive?
	In that way, that she will, like, immediately get up, serve a place.
	Does she do it happily?
	Yeah, is she happy?
	Yeah, she probably is.
	Like, I have a stepmom who's a lot of people.
	That is how she looks.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, let her answer her.
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Can you ask it again?
	Is your mom happy with that arrangement?
	Is she happy?
	Yeah, she'd be happy with the arrangement.
	To each their own, I don't.
	Is she?
	She is?
	You know, does she nag about the things that my father does?
	She does.
	Okay, so she's not happy.
	Yeah.
	She's happy with him, but that part, like, you know, when I'm talking about it, I'm talking about in Hispanic perspective.
	That's like expected.
	A man is like.
	Wait, question.
	Does your mom, is she like work at all or has she stayed at home?
	She stayed at home.
	And your father, they're still married, right?
	They're still married.
	Your father, he's the sole breadwinner of the household?
	Yeah.
	Is he, do you mind saying what he does for work?
	He's a manager.
	Manager?
	Okay.
	Is he successful or doing well?
	He provides for.
	I have five siblings.
	He's provided for us.
	Okay.
	So, but she doesn't like it when he says, Hey, can you cook for me?
	But he's the sole breadwinner?
	She's not complaining, but she's not complaining about that.
	It's more of me complaining about it, but I've seen it because I've seen that try to get reinforced onto me.
	If your father decided, do you have siblings?
	Five.
	Five siblings.
	And sole breadwinner, right?
	One income.
	If your father was like, well, I just don't feel like going to work anymore, would you question that decision?
	Absolutely.
	Because he's not the man to do it.
	But if it's his role to be the provider and go to work, wouldn't it be your mom's role to manage the household?
	Yeah.
	How many is he working?
	How much hours a week do you think he works?
	50?
	Yeah.
	Does he have two jobs?
	No, just one.
	Just one job?
	Works Monday through Friday?
	Yeah.
	Well, does he work full-time?
	Yeah, he works full-time.
	Full-time.
	Okay.
	So just to be clear.
	You have no objections to him being a slave to the labor market, but you do object to your mother cooking for her family.
	My never said that.
	Yeah.
	Or you object to that.
	But he's coming from a different life experience.
	Just to stop.
	Okay.
	So you object to the expectation that your father has on your mother, his wife, to cook.
	To the extremity that he does it, yes.
	How does he eating multiple dinners at night?
	It has to be done.
	If it's not done by the time he's off of work, he gets annoyed.
	She's worried, like, if we're out doing something, it's, oh, I have to be home in time to cook for your dad.
	So I just wouldn't want that type of thing.
	Well, and cook for the family too, right?
	Cook for the family too, yeah.
	Okay, so would you just one last thing?
	One last thing.
	Okay, so do you think that do you think that if your father stopped working, do you think that your mother, his wife, would find that annoying?
	She would find a job.
	She would.
	You don't think they would cause relationship problems if he just decided to not do his role?
	He had a knee problem.
	She was immediately about to start working.
	So, okay, but if he just said, eh, you know, I just don't really feel like working differently.
	What?
	That's different, like, a health issue.
	Yeah, sorry.
	Different health reasons.
	It's like a health reason versus like a character flaw.
	Yeah, well, a character flaw, then, yeah.
	She didn't ever say that her mom was like super unhappy with the arrangement.
	I never said that she hasn't wanted to hold stars.
	I just said that I don't want that.
	She doesn't want that forced on her.
	But she's a man to be a traditional.
	It's pay for one date.
	I'm not asking for a hand in marriage.
	Pay for a date.
	I'm what, 20, 19?
	I'm 19 about it.
	So it's like you're trying to.
	We're going on a movie.
	No, I'm not asking him for a landmark.
	You're choosing the traditional man treatment that you want.
	I feel like you're not.
	So, like, you kind of have your.
	The man who is going to be a traditional guy who's going to want to pay for a first date is also going to ask of you those traditional things that men will want.
	And I feel like this goes more off of my previous answer on like the wanting a family and a marriage and everything over a career and education.
	So that should just like show you my viewpoint.
	I'm just saying, like, if you're not looking for the traditional relationship, like, I'm not saying like you don't want a man, but you're not looking for a man who's going to be a leader who's asking you to submit to him his leadership.
	You're not looking for that.
	Oh, so you are looking for that?
	I've never said that either.
	I just said I don't well, okay, so from all of the conversation that we've had, you have very much suggested that you're against female submission to their partner.
	So is that a cookie?
	We spoke about cooking.
	You said specifically you were turned off by the word submission, like submission.
	Like, my mom submits to my dad, and it kind of like irks me.
	That's you said in the context of her, because we don't know what her life and her upbringing was like, just like you said.
	It doesn't really matter.
	It does matter so much because in your family you have respected parents or statements.
	No, no, okay.
	If someone says, regardless of how they were brought up, regardless of their history, it irks me that my mom submits to my dad.
	That's a practice.
	But that's coming in her context.
	It's not just an off-the-cuff.
	Yeah.
	Well, we also know in the context that it's not a problem.
	You saw loving parents, and you got a great example of what you've talked about, it seems like that her parents have a pretty good relationship, that her mom's not miserable.
	Like, she's still married in public, but people stay for multiple different reasons.
	But that's you making an assumption that there could be some crazy.
	Speaking from experience, no, but you're speaking from his crazy experience.
	Well, you can't apply yourself.
	Speaking from experience coming from a large family, and also first generation, you're talking about her.
	Also, a very submissive culture.
	Like, you know, I know, and I see her struggling to articulate herself because she's a little bit younger.
	She hasn't had to argue her viewpoint, but I know how big of a turn off it was to me to see my dad talking to my mom in a demeaning maybe tone just because he was raised.
	To be clear, is your dad being demeaning towards your mom?
	When we talk about cooking, and that was the whole topic, yeah.
	So there are things that you come to the table with, and that's it's not anyways.
	I do.
	Anyway, I just, there's so many notes I have to get through.
	I don't know if I'll even be able to get through all of them.
	I think, really quick, though, on the who pays thing, again, I'm just kind of confused of if it's okay for a woman to say, I think a man should pay for the first date.
	Why is it also wrong for a man to say, I think I want a woman to make me a sandwich?
	I feel like it's unfair to say.
	Make me a sandwich.
	Only just make me a sandwich once, though.
	Yeah.
	No, well, I would say I think it's unfair to equate one, the first date he's paying for the first date to a lifelong obligation of paying or making meals for like your husband.
	I think if you like work out an agreement eventually, or not even eventually, just by the second date, where it's like you're more open to splitting the bill or you offer like that's more of like a give or take relationship.
	Like it doesn't one date shouldn't equate being the lifetime of meals.
	I just think it's funny, like, so how women hate when men ask to go 50-50 on a date, but are perfectly comfortable with 50-50 in a divorce.
	I would, I think it's just the first date we're talking about.
	Yeah, we will, I would be willing to split on the second date.
	Let me ask you guys, just you guys, a question real quick.
	Okay.
	Just tell me why.
	Like, make an actual argument why men should pay.
	On the first date.
	Yeah.
	Because I think it's a way of showing interest.
	Well, hold on.
	Showing investment.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so why?
	I'm willing to put work into this.
	Like, what?
	Because a female invests in herself, too.
	They dress up, they buy jewelry, they do their nails, stuff like that.
	But that's not an investment in the man.
	Sorry, that's not an investment in the man.
	That's an investment in herself.
	I put in a lot of effort to be here on the state you asked me to come to.
	I expect you to pay for it.
	Well, didn't the guy put in just an equal amount of effort, if not more?
	He asked me to go on the date, though.
	I didn't bring this upon him.
	He brought it upon me.
	Have you ever asked a guy out on a date?
	No.
	Okay, well, I'm on the past.
	And he paid.
	What's that?
	I have, and you paid.
	And he still paid.
	I hate to admit it, but more often than not, like for you, when it comes to first date, like of the times you've been asked out by a guy, more often than not, is it the guy asking or you asking?
	I've asked once about the times the guy's asked, and so you asked one time, how many times what?
	Ten times?
	If guys have pinned on you, I don't know, three times, three times, what about you?
	Uh, like two times, two times.
	Okay, more often than not, men are the ones initiating here.
	So um, it's kind of this like very convenient position to say well, you asked you should pay.
	Well what, what's the alternative?
	Okay fine, as a guy, I'll just sit back and wait for women to ask me out on dates so that they can pay for the date.
	But then that then that man gets faced with the brutal reality of he's never gonna get asked out on a date.
	Most men never get asked out on dates.
	Well, that's just the way, like it is okay.
	But so what's the art, what's the actual argument for why a man should pay?
	And you answered, but what about you?
	I agree with her answer, be because they asked the argument.
	They wanted you to go, so why wouldn't they pay for it?
	But you see how that's unfair?
	Because you never asked.
	They asked me to go right, but women never really ask the man, so it's always going to be on the man.
	And then you're, we're having the same conversation.
	What do you think?
	I think it's one date and if they're gonna, like I kind of said earlier, like after the first date, i'd totally be open to splitting it.
	Honestly, i'd be open to splitting the first date.
	I would probably be like okay, you don't like me that much.
	Then if like, you want to split it just because I think it is the investment thing huh, go ahead.
	Um but yeah yeah, the investment thing.
	Well yeah, going around the table, starting with you, if you go on a date with a guy and he, he wants to split, will there be a second date?
	If the date went well yeah you yeah sorry guys yeah yeah, there will be a second date.
	Yeah, it depends how the date went and if I knew them before yeah, if the date went like really well, then yeah, I don't oppose to splitting, I just prefer the man to pay.
	So yeah, I kind of prefer splitting the first date.
	I don't think there would be a second date.
	Okay, all right, we're gonna move on.
	We're gonna move on.
	Let's see.
	Let's get back to some.
	Do the bow thing.
	Oh yeah, that's not, that's decent.
	Yeah, all right.
	Here's my view.
	Fine, men should pay for first dates.
	In my own view, I think women should bow.
	Nick, play the video, all right, this is what I think a woman should do.
	Boom hit.
	Look at that bow.
	Great technique, great skill.
	Sandal look at it.
	Look at the attentiveness, get putting putting in the dirty laundry hamper.
	Look at that.
	Come home from a long podcast, come home from a hard day's work.
	The dinner's ready.
	Look at this.
	She's attentive, she's got, she's got my drink.
	Oh, my noodles need stirring.
	Yep, look at that.
	Boom, very a bit, a bit too much, but okay, i'll accept it.
	And one more time.
	One more time with the bow.
	Look at the bow.
	Boom, I want, I want a girl to bow.
	Um, would you?
	If you're dating a guy and he was like hey, I want you to, every time you see me, I want you to hit a bow, would you do it?
	No, I almost feel like that's his way of like establishing dominance.
	Like, what if he paid for every date?
	If he paid for every date, he pays for everything.
	If he's a provider, like the house you live in in this in this one, in this first date, in this like immediate interaction, he's providing.
	He's the big man.
	He's the big man.
	He's dominating in the financial aspect.
	Like, he's probably going to dominate the conversation.
	Yeah.
	Like, he's probably going to be the one that's asking the questions.
	Because, generally speaking, when I've gone on dates, it's me who is going to have to generate all the questions.
	Because I asked the person on the date.
	I feel like there's a burden upon me to kind of carry the conversation.
	I think, generally speaking, that's kind of what women ask of men in first dates.
	Would you do a bow?
	If I pay for every date, I would have to do a bad paper.
	Well, no, no, no.
	So, okay, so the first date, just in this hypothetical world, if I'm going to pay for a date, it would be kind of cool to see a bow.
	First date.
	First date, like a dynamic.
	Like, I respect you as a man.
	No, no, I don't do it as a bow.
	I respect you as a woman, so I'm going to provide for you.
	I respect you as a man, therefore I'm going to bow.
	She's so good.
	So it's crazy if you're bowing on the first date.
	I think it's crazy if a man would always pay for the first date.
	Maybe as like a joke.
	I don't even think it would be good if she bows on the first date.
	I'll accept second date.
	If you were on a date with a girl and she legitimately bowed for you, you'd be like, oh my God.
	No, that's like weird.
	You even have that over.
	If you didn't ask for the bow and she just bowed.
	That'd be so bad.
	I'd fucking go high.
	I've never bowed.
	I would wife her on the spot.
	But would you not have to do that?
	That would be like a massive green check.
	Like, please sit down.
	I will pay for whatever you want.
	Would you do a bow?
	I'd make a joke of it, yes.
	But I have cooked and baked for men on dates and they did not come back.
	So I don't know if it's actually going to work, but would you hit a bow?
	No.
	For men?
	Never.
	Even your not remove the first date thing from this.
	Let's say you're just, you've been dating a guy for six months and all of a sudden he's like, I'd like for you to bow to me.
	That would be hilarious.
	I was going to say something highly inappropriate, but no.
	I feel like bowing was instilled for people that were a lower social class and stuff, right?
	Kingdoms, things like that.
	That's what's up.
	Would he bow to the girl if she was like, it's not money, but if she were to be cooking every day for him, even if it is money, let's be honest.
	Sometimes women make a lot of money too.
	Because, sure, if you're like traditional, like men bring money to the table, but like women bring something else to the table, like nurturing, loving care.
	Would you bow to the female for if she's doing everything that you desire for a woman to do?
	I think bowing is a posture.
	If you're going to do the woman's way of life for just bringing like the breadwinner of the family, but you're not going to bow to her for if she's hitting her.
	That's why she's going to bow.
	But okay, we're just going, like, you want the guy to pay for the first date.
	You won't hit a bow.
	You want a guy to die for you?
	You won't hit a bow?
	Like, that's like equality.
	The thing is, traditionally speaking, like, historically speaking, women, they had incredible respect for men because of the role that they played.
	The provider, the protector.
	I'm going to make sure that you have a safe place to raise our children so that you can create the next generation and continue my legacy.
	There's like incredible respect that was given to men because of that.
	That's traditionally.
	And so when you expect men to provide on the first date by paying, I'm not saying it has to be a bow, but there's like a distinction.
	I want the bow.
	I want the bow.
	Oh, you want the bow?
	No, I want the bow.
	I influence you.
	He definitely am.
	But, like, it's that's a tangible way to show that you respect the man for the role that he plays.
	I would find it enduring.
	I would definitely ask for it.
	I was like, what's up, baby?
	Super serious about it because that's kind of concerning if you're like, no, like, bow.
	Like, it's a race.
	Well, it seems like you're pretty serious about them paying for the first date.
	I wouldn't press it.
	It's not like something.
	No, no, no, no.
	I'm not saying, like, I will not force you to bow.
	You must bow to bow.
	If it was, like, hostile, like coming from the bottom of the city.
	Here's the frame, right?
	If we ask, we, and okay, we ask.
	We want you to want to do it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	If you like us to pay for the date, force you into that.
	But it would be very beneficial.
	But in Asian culture, males and females bow to each other.
	That's a keeper right there.
	Nice.
	In Asian culture, men and females bow to each other.
	It's a mutual respect.
	I'm such a white guy.
	I'm sorry.
	I can't believe that.
	That's what I was trying to get at when I was saying earlier.
	If your wife is doing everything that you want her to do, like in traditional form, what you would want her to do, it's like a mutual, like she brings 50% of it into the relationship.
	If he brings 50%, yeah, you're bringing different aspects.
	He might be the breadwinner, but she's doing everything else that you'd want her to do.
	I understand you see that as her respecting you by like.
	So, wait, you want the guy to do the bow?
	No, I'm just saying that if they're doing, she was saying that in Asian culture, they both bow because they respect what each other brings to the table.
	That's not men bow to a woman.
	Men bow to other men in Asian people.
	I don't know the details.
	I don't know the details of Asian people.
	Sometimes women want the guy to bow to them, though.
	No, I want a man to be a leader.
	That's the whole point, though, is that women are so bad.
	A man opening a bow.
	Did you want to peg a guy too?
	Oh, my God!
	What are you talking about?
	You just said you wanted a woman.
	I don't know.
	You just bow to you.
	How is it different?
	I got an intuition.
	A man opening a door for a woman is the equivalent of the woman.
	No, I would not.
	You want to bend her?
	I'm sick of this.
	You want to dominate a man.
	I'm sick of this.
	You want to dominate a man.
	I think, do we need to write?
	I was trying to say, like, let's say you pay for the date, so then I bow.
	But the next day she cooks the meal.
	Are you bound?
	Nope.
	Because the man is supposed to go to bow back.
	The man is supposed to be the leader, and the woman is supposed to submit to him in a traditional relationship.
	Therefore, like, if he's bowing to you, it's not like a mutually equal, that's like more feminist ideology.
	So ideally, that's the situation.
	If a woman cooked for me, like, I would do a ton for her.
	I wouldn't bow, but like, I'll give his life.
	I'll give my life.
	Anyways, you make me a sandwich.
	I'll jump in front of a bowl around the table.
	Did everybody answer on the bow thing?
	I think you said no.
	Yeah, I said no.
	Madison, would you bow left and right?
	Wait, he.
	Did you hit a bow?
	I told you to hit a bow for Frankie.
	I told you I did.
	Oh, you did?
	But I, okay, to be fair, yeah.
	I don't think he got the right message because I did do this one about, and then he bowed back because he thought we were going to play ninja or something.
	Frankie's a simp.
	But no.
	Would you hit a bow?
	I'd hit a bow, but I'd hope he'd hit a bow back eventually.
	In a funny way, yeah, but not serious.
	Yeah, I'd hit a curtsy.
	Yeah.
	No, I would.
	I asked my boyfriend about this, though, and he was like, no, I wouldn't want you to do that.
	But I think of it like, you know, if I were to say, hey, it would make me feel really respected and special if you did X, whatever.
	You know, I think in relationships, that kind of conversation happens a lot.
	I would.
	I kind of make a joke now to him.
	Like, I'll randomly be like, I bow to you.
	Alicia.
	So if the man should pay for the first date, should the man be expected for the first time in birth control?
	If not, who pays the consequence?
	What?
	Should the man be expecting for the first time?
	Men can't get pregnant, bro.
	I don't know what he's trying to say.
	Like, expected to get some?
	Is that what he means?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	No, I don't.
	I don't think he's expected to pay for a plan B or something.
	Is that what he's trying to get at?
	And like birth control, because he's talking about buying it for them.
	I don't really understand the question, but maybe could you clarify?
	Yeah, I don't understand the question.
	I'm sorry, Ben.
	Could you try to clarify a little bit?
	Okay, more notes.
	More notes.
	Oh, man.
	This could be.
	Okay, I'll try to.
	I'm going to get through these quick.
	Hold on.
	Okay.
	We did the two-man thing, talking stage, splitting the bill.
	Do guys ever get over their first love?
	We're going to skip that, no offense.
	Hot takes.
	If it were the right person, it would be the right time.
	What does that mean?
	I think a lot of times, like, we try to deflect why a relationship didn't work out.
	We were like, oh, like, he was the right person, but it just wasn't the right time.
	He was in the right place.
	But I think if it is the right person, he's going to make an effort for it to be the right time.
	And a lot of people are delusional about that, and they keep making up excuses for it.
	And then the next thing is lasting too long as a guy during sex is a real thing.
	We were talking about this because I feel like it's just like a sign of them being addicted to porn.
	If they last too long.
	Yeah.
	Because I feel like they're like.
	Oh.
	A little closer to the mic.
	I feel like it's like a sign of that because what are they doing?
	Like, I did have an experience with a guy where he lasted way too long.
	And I had asked him about it because I don't know.
	I was like, maybe this is like a me problem.
	But he said that he had a year where he would just like edge like all the time for fun, like to train himself or something.
	And now it's like a problem.
	And so, how long did he last?
	Like an hour.
	Lord, that's pretty long, I guess.
	You said you were talking about with your girlfriends, though.
	Have you had that experience?
	No.
	What's like, okay, so going around the table, really quick, quick answer.
	Like, what's the ideal period of time for an encounter to last?
	You think?
	Oh, my God.
	It depends.
	I would say, for me, no more than half an hour because, God, my body can't take it.
	Okay.
	Maddie?
	Can I skip this question?
	If you don't want to answer, that's fine.
	Please, God.
	I'm not a person.
	If you don't want to answer, that's fine.
	I'm not a corn strong.
	Any other girls?
	No answer.
	No comment.
	No comment.
	Yeah, I don't want to answer either.
	Oh, okay.
	For how long sexual last time?
	That's awesome.
	Well, I feel like it's different for every encounter that you get.
	Yeah, I think there's definitely sometimes a quickie can be good.
	The older you get to, there's more factors involved.
	So, yeah, it's women don't stay wet forever, too.
	I mean, you're gonna.
	It just depends.
	Yeah, and some men have depends on the interaction.
	It depends on like what's going on.
	If you guys are talking about just penetration, then that's like a whole different thing.
	I think like a solid like 30 seconds is pretty good, though.
	Damn.
	Wait, did you say yes?
	No, I didn't.
	I did.
	Wait, yeah, I agree.
	Well, I, speaking of double standards, what the fuck was that?
	That fucking fly came for me.
	Wait, did you lose something, Nick?
	You're just like.
	Dude, for some reason, the last two $10 chats didn't automatically star.
	So I had to go through that.
	That's weird.
	Speaking of double standards, why is it that when a man premature ejaculates, that's bad?
	But it's good for a woman.
	Like, if she comes too quick.
	So unfair.
	How's that unfair?
	The man's relieved because he got her off and she's a cool woman.
	She's the more complicated one to get to orgasm.
	Women take on average like 20 minutes.
	Just takes longer.
	Bad joke.
	Like, okay, hold on.
	For example, You agree though, like if it's too like if a guy comes too quick though, that's also a problem, right?
	Oh, she, okay.
	I don't know.
	Like three pumps.
	What if you're not, what if you don't get satisfied?
	Like, what if you're not satisfied?
	But he's not.
	Here's another method.
	There's other things.
	No, I know, but I, but that wasn't the question.
	You said, like, if he's done fast, well, comes fast.
	If it happens every single time, like, maybe there's something we can talk about.
	Talk about a boot.
	Sorry.
	Oh, God damn.
	I said, because, like, no, I don't think there's any guy.
	There's no guy who's like, I wish she didn't come so fast.
	Said no man ever.
	You know, because it's a relief.
	I don't usually say that about men.
	In the past, I have.
	I think men have to deal with all of this stigma of like, oh my gosh, there's so many nerve endings and whatever.
	How could you possibly not make a woman orgasm?
	But it is complex.
	Women get in their brain a lot more.
	It's not just mechanical.
	Yeah.
	Like it's very different.
	I heard an interesting thing that you said, and I don't know if I can say it.
	Well, you said about like not going down on women in one of your things.
	And I found that interesting because I personally find that to be like a too intimate thing.
	So I don't know.
	I just found that interesting that you feel that way.
	Well, okay.
	So I mean, when it comes to sex, I want her to come first.
	Yeah.
	But there's other ways to do it than that.
	But like, no matter what, I want her to come first.
	Then I can go.
	That's the ideal.
	Yeah.
	It's crazy, though.
	I mean, some of these women got like multiple orgasms come after like three seconds.
	Shit's crazy, son.
	Yeah.
	That's good.
	Double standards, though.
	If a guy's like busting after three seconds, that's not.
	Most women are not going to be satisfied with that.
	Well, then he's kind of like, actually, never mind.
	Huh?
	Ladies can watch.
	Go ahead.
	Say it.
	Say it.
	If he's that fast and he's out of commission, he can do like, you know, like.
	Oh, like rebounds?
	Yeah, it's like, well, like, girls, if they finish first, like, technically, like, you can.
	Like, you can.
	You can just.
	You can, like, and then you can technically keep going.
	But, like, if a guy, like, he's done, then he's done.
	Yeah.
	Like, you can do other things, but he can't necessarily just hop back to it.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	No, it's all good.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Lasting too long, bad.
	Friends with benefits never works.
	You've had the friends with benefits didn't work.
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	You're just from your friends.
	You see it from your friends.
	From my friends and stuff, yeah.
	You said the situationship is only a situationship to one person and nothing to the other.
	Yeah.
	I think if you're in a situationship, it's only that to you.
	And then the other person obviously doesn't see it that way, or else he would just take you serious.
	You said there's a three-month rule.
	If he doesn't ask you to be his girlfriend within three months of you guys talking, he'll never ask.
	Oh, yeah, I don't think so.
	Because at that point, he's just dragging you along because you're going to let him.
	Well, actually, I think the woman should ask for the relationship, not the man.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I don't think so.
	Yep.
	In what way, like, you like, what?
	Ask him to be your boyfriend?
	Like, is that what you like?
	Yeah.
	That should be on you.
	And why?
	Wait, why?
	Yeah, both of you tell us.
	Well, generally speaking, I would argue.
	Now, this maybe might not really apply to me because I'm pretty, like, I'll laser focus in and like, I'll bring it there.
	But if you're desirous of commitment, of being whatever, if you want monogamy, you want commitment, you want to be his girlfriend, you want him to be your boyfriend, you should probably push for that.
	Well, that's what I personally don't know if the man feels the same way.
	Well, better find out sooner than later, right?
	Yeah, but I think there's also like a stigma around it, especially if you like being our age.
	What's the stigma?
	Like a way people view it, at least how guys view it.
	If you're like, especially at our age, like if you're in a talking stage with someone and it's like going on forever, like to the guy, you might just be like someone he's talking to.
	Like, if you're texting him first, like, he's texting someone else first.
	I want to check.
	I do actually want to give this advice to women.
	Um, so you can just entirely avoid a situationship or just getting strung along or just being like used as a for sex.
	Um, you shouldn't be do this thing of like, well, I'm gonna wait a couple months and then like check in.
	Uh, that's how you get into a situationship.
	Just be super upfront.
	But ask him on the fucking, if you really, you should only, I think, women, you should only date a guy who you have the who you see yourself having those feelings for, who you will have those feelings for, but you also want him to have those feelings for you.
	So, I think very quickly early on, you should be like, put the fucking pressure on.
	I did that and I got let on.
	Yeah, I agree on that.
	That's snagging.
	Well, he would always crack under pressure and he would respond and everything, but he just like wasn't there.
	And also, I feel like I was like talking to him.
	He was just responding.
	That's it.
	But if he's scared, if he's scared away, then I don't think he's really like, don't you want to like be with someone that like really fucking likes you and you really fucking like them?
	Do you want to be in the situation where you're like, you're on the fence about them?
	They're on the fence about you.
	Don't you want that like mutual, like really strong desire?
	Yeah, but if a man is initiating the first date or a man is asking for marriage, then wouldn't the man also say, I have, I think, I feel like I'm developing really strong feelings.
	Can we have this conversation?
	Like, why is it only the, I think it's obviously a mutual thing once again, where you're communicating, you're saying like, hey, we're really hitting it off and whatever.
	And you may open the topic and the conversation, but not necessarily being the one that's putting the pressure and saying, when are you going to give me the girlfriend title?
	Or when are you going to like we hear a lot about, I mean, I see a lot about it, people, women putting pressure on like, when are, when's the rock, where's the rock, where's the, and, and there's like a negative connotation to it.
	So I mean, that's, you know, pushing for the, you know, that is a bigger commitment than just pushing for like, let's be monogamous, let's be exclusive.
	Fuck, you can ask that real quick as a woman.
	Yeah, but if we're not asking, if we're not wired to ask those other things, then how could you expect for us to ask the one in the middle?
	Do you get what I'm saying?
	I am wired to ask those, but what the problem is that when I do, even when I've tried to date a man who says he has these more traditional values and he's like, oh, yeah, we're really hitting it off.
	And he's so in and it's all the way.
	It's like, it's so mutual.
	Then I say, okay, I'm deleting the apps.
	I want to be with you.
	Like, let's do this.
	And then he's like, oh, this is a lot.
	I don't know if I can handle this.
	And even the men who say they're so traditional and it's like, happened to me, this is why I've been single for so long, even when I've been trying to date again, because they just ghost.
	They ghost.
	So it's really hard to find.
	If the guy really likes you.
	Oh, well, yeah, sure.
	If the guy really likes you and you start leaning on him on the third date and you lean on him, like, hey, I want commitment.
	I want monogamy.
	I want boyfriend-girlfriend relationship.
	And he's like, I don't know.
	He's just not that into it.
	I think he kind of just wants to keep you around for sex for a couple months.
	Yes, yeah.
	And then, like, I look, I know it seems like, whoa, it's a bit too much too soon.
	But if he really likes you and you fucking lean on him and it's like, okay, I might lose this chick if I like.
	Well, the last time that I like hooked up with somebody, it was kind of a situation like that.
	And then, and that was like the time I decided I'm not doing this anymore.
	I am not hooking up with some guy before we have this thing figured out, like what we both want, where this might be going, because it hurts.
	Like, it hurts terribly when that happens.
	And then you're right, he just wants to keep you on the line for sex.
	And yeah, look, and I think relationships can also develop on a slower timeline, too.
	You can start out a bit more casual.
	Maybe there's even other people in the picture, and it could eventually get to something more serious.
	It happens all the time.
	But I personally, I take perhaps maybe this is a radical approach.
	Like, I prefer moving, I prefer erring on the side of moving a bit too quickly than too slowly.
	Yes.
	And so, like, if I really like a girl, like, I don't know.
	You should go for it.
	Yeah.
	I'm not going to do this like fence sitting thing, you know?
	Yeah, I won't.
	And I, but I think women have an even should be even more motivated because, like, men, like a lot of men, hey, if we can be sleeping with a bunch of random chicks at the same time, not random, but if we can, like, have a roster or whatever, they'll do it.
	But, like, as a woman, I feel like most women, some women are fine with that, I guess.
	I feel like most of y'all don't want to really be fucking around with multiple dudes.
	No, I think most women don't want that.
	I do not.
	I could be wrong.
	I don't know.
	But that's why I think there's, that's why, if it's more important for you as a woman to get the commitment, I mean, I'm giving you advice for the women here.
	Like, lean on, lean heavy on the dude.
	Lean heavy.
	All right.
	I will.
	Anyways, moving on.
	We have Macy here.
	Oh, wait, actually, last thing with you, you said you shouldn't be getting left undelivered for hours.
	He just doesn't care.
	It's like, you text him and he's just not responding.
	No, yeah.
	A lot of girls will be like, oh, he left me undelivered for like 15 hours.
	He's just busy.
	He's just like doing this.
	Would you ever leave guys on delivered or do you respond right away?
	I'll leave them on delivered if I don't care about them.
	Well, so then they don't care about you then.
	Exactly.
	Well, actually, that's not a problem.
	But I know a lot of my friends, even who will be like making excuses for guys who will leave them undelivered for hours at a time.
	And I'm just like, he really just doesn't care about you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, they'll prioritize if they want to.
	Yeah, he actually cared.
	It's just like any business.
	Unless they have like legitimate reasons, obviously.
	Actually, my perspective on this, as somebody who's like incredibly busy, yeah, I'm leaving you on.
	I'm leaving.
	I'm not responding for hours.
	College guys aren't.
	Yeah, in terms of the people that were just like they're on their phones.
	You're just deciding.
	I don't like it.
	Some of them will be like, oh, I'm just not on my phone like that.
	Like, that's not true.
	You just don't care.
	Yeah.
	And if they really did care, then they would take the time two seconds out of the day that it would take to respond.
	But I definitely like, I could genuinely really like a girl and like take forever to respond.
	Well, I think it's different.
	That's a little different.
	18-year-olds are very different.
	Macy, you said if you met him on the dating app, he's not your man.
	You're just on the roster.
	But wouldn't this apply the other way around too?
	Yeah, I think it would.
	Well, yeah.
	No, like so many of my couples met on dating apps.
	I agree.
	And I think from the college, a lot of this is from the college.
	It started somewhere.
	It did start somewhere, but especially with dating apps like Tinder, like the people on that that are on there at our age, they're not looking for like long-term relationships.
	And they are like not necessarily going on like first dates with people, but they're swiping and talking to like every single match.
	Like it's not like they're being direct.
	They're outside right away.
	Hey, you're pretty.
	And you say, hey, thanks.
	DTF?
	Like, really?
	I get that.
	Literally, men that will sit at a table and super swipe.
	No, literally.
	And I've seen someone do that.
	I'm like, what?
	Yeah.
	And I think it's like, there has been, like, I feel like I've definitely been hearing about it more often.
	Like, not a whole lot of people, but some of my friends that are a little bit older, like, they'll say that they've been like, they met a guy on a dating app and they were hooking up for a really long time and then it turned into a relationship.
	But that like really doesn't often happen.
	Like, that's definitely.
	Yeah, it's rare.
	And I feel like people who go onto dating apps like that and are like religiously hooking up with this like one guy, like he's probably also hooking up with other people and they'll think that it's eventually going to get there.
	But like nine times out of ten, it's not ever going to get there.
	The other thing you said, you said if you hook up on the first day or night, you're never going to be more than that.
	Sorry, you're just kind of stern.
	My message.
	Yeah, I mean, we were discussing this last night.
	And I just feel like if they're going to hook up with you on the first date, then they don't like really respect.
	Like, they'll res well.
	You put it whoa.
	Sorry.
	Oh my God.
	I just said that personally, like if I hypothetically were to hook up with a guy, I just think he doesn't like respect me.
	And it's vice versa, you know?
	I'm not going to throw a dumpster down and say, oh, like he should respect me, or I respected him because I slept with him first.
	Like, no, that's my personal opinion.
	If you disagree and you think he respects you, then by all means.
	Honestly, like, if you're on the first date and he's like trying to make a move like that, that's kind of like, okay, like, you don't respect me.
	And it's all, it's on the girl, too.
	No, I actually disagree on this, but okay.
	Have more experience.
	Let us know.
	I was just going to say, like, from the girl's perspective, too, like, if you end up doing it, like, you just have to understand that it's not going to be like you're not doing that with like every first date.
	Sure.
	Exactly.
	Well, but here's the thing, right?
	It's not clear to me if you were to make that guy wait for this till the second date, third date, fourth date, fifth date, however long you make him wait.
	Obviously, you know, some men just are not going to wait, for example, like three months or something.
	But it's not clear to me that he would then take you into consideration for a long-term relationship, even if you made him wait.
	I think, and I've talked to a few guys.
	And just to add one thing, even the guy, let's say the guy would want a long-term relationship with you, but you sleep with him on the first date.
	It's not clear to me if that would be a like that would preclude, that would then, all of a sudden, he would totally shift and not want to be in a long-term relationship with you.
	Yeah, because there's a, I understand where you're coming from.
	And I know we also talked about like the box theory.
	Like if he met you, like, you know, they like, people say, like, guys, like, they'll put you in a box when they first meet you, like the girlfriend box or like the hookup box, and it's hard to like switch boxes.
	But just like even talking from guys that we like know that are our age, it, they'll even say, like, if they're hooking up with a girl like on the first date and she'll like agree to hook up with them, then she's not like girlfriend material.
	Like she's probably sleeping with all these guys.
	Yeah, some people do have certainly some people.
	I think that comes with age.
	I think that comes with age, honestly, because I also disagree.
	I think I have plenty of girlfriends that are in their 30s that have told me like first date sex and they've had like long-term committed relationships, even got married.
	It's just you have to use your discernment, your discretion, and see like, is the connection there?
	Yeah, I would not advise most women to do that because I think most of the time it's not going to pan out into something.
	Why women?
	Like it goes both ways.
	I think people are like, especially women.
	I was told to read a book by some of my girlfriends early in the dating journey.
	And I felt like everything I was hearing was like this power play of women abstaining or withholding sex, but only to kind of like egg on and get more and more investment from the man into the relationship, which I don't necessarily agree with either.
	Like that's like a part of a marketing chip.
	I agree with you on this.
	I mean, I've had most of all, actually all of my long-term relationships, I've had a five-year, two-year, one-year, like, you know, some that were shorter, six-month, nine-months.
	I don't know if I consider those fully long-term relationships.
	All these women that I had good relationships, you know, sometimes relationships don't always continue on forever, but they can still have been good.
	Right.
	Relationships.
	It wasn't like, oh, let's wait three months.
	It was like typically like first, second, or third date, we had sex.
	Well, yeah.
	For all my long-term relationships.
	And then I've had, you know, shorter-term things where, you know, wait, wait five dates and then it doesn't go anywhere, too.
	So I don't, I mean, I think there would be better indicators than like how quickly.
	I think the bigger thing would be like, where are you meeting them?
	So like, if like you're at a like a party in Isla Vista, you're at, you know, you're at a frat party and the guy wants to hook up with you that night.
	Yeah, that's obviously red.
	But if the guy, like if the context in which you're meeting is perhaps like, I don't know, you've been talking for a while.
	Maybe you met in class or something.
	I think the context there is a bit different.
	Because you've built essentially a friendship or a relationship.
	Yeah, I mean, I certainly wouldn't make somebody wait forever to sleep with me, but I would just want to know it's going beyond maybe one date.
	I mean, unless there's like insane chemistry, but in my experience, like I've had those moments and it did not pan out.
	And I had hurt feelings after because I can't sleep with somebody without having some degree of feelings involved.
	It's just who I am.
	Yeah.
	Like if, for example, if I met a girl and I'm like, I like this girl.
	I see potential long-term, you know.
	I mean, it's possible after, it's possible after we hook up, then the crazy comes out or something.
	But like, right.
	I mean, I don't think if I had her in the like relationship, I mean, I don't even have like a hookup category, though, for me.
	Like, if I have sex with a girl, I'm going to see her again absent her doing some crazy shit like post-sex.
	Like, she'd have to try to stab me or some shit.
	I don't know.
	I guess I would say I wouldn't see her again if she tried to stab me.
	Has not frequently been my experience if I've done it quickly.
	I'll say that.
	But it's not impossible.
	It just has not been my personal experience.
	But I wouldn't.
	For me, it wouldn't be.
	But I mean, like, if there's an undeniable connection, like, of course, like, I'm human.
	I would like to, it's hard to not want to explore that with someone if you feel like it's there.
	But then I also wouldn't like refuse to continue seeing a girl if she was like, well, I want to wait a little bit.
	Yeah.
	Although I wouldn't, I don't think I would be down to wait like some crazy extended period of time.
	Yeah.
	Especially, especially if she's had sex with guys quickly previous to me.
	Then I'm like, okay, hold on.
	What's going?
	Like, I mean, you're entitled, you're entitled.
	You could have had sex with, you could have had sex with 100 men on the first date, and then you roll the dice and you land on me, and then you want to wait until marriage.
	You're allowed to do that as a woman to say, well, all the other guys I dated, I fucked them right away.
	But now that I want a relationship with you, I want to wait six months.
	I want to wait three months.
	There's not a high likelihood that that would happen, I feel like.
	Well, actually, there's a lot of, well, especially women involved in the church who used to be promiscuous, but then now they were, you know, born again.
	Okay, now you want to wait until marriage.
	Well, the one thing I would say to that is that's the one thing I would say to that is that like in that context, I think it would really depend how recently in the past those like a million guys she slept with right away kind of thing is, how much time there's been in between that.
	Because I think if somebody's having some like massive religious conviction, like you have to, like, you can't always hold somebody to their past or else they'll never grow and learn.
	But I do understand you being like, well, why the hell should I wait if no one else ever had to, you know?
	So I can understand both sides.
	I do think you can, you absolutely can hold people to their past.
	Your past has consequences.
	Yes.
	Now, can you be redeemed?
	Like, if we're talking from like a Christian worldview, you can absolutely be redeemed and turn your life around.
	Yes.
	But men are not obliged to accept that and essentially be forced to do that.
	No, no, no.
	And they shouldn't be, and they shouldn't be obliged, and they shouldn't be forced.
	But I do think it's just, you know.
	Well, I mean, there's so there's forgiveness in Christianity, but there's also the fact that like those things are still going to cause like those sins in your life are going to cause you hardship.
	Sin is negative in your life.
	It's going to be negative effects are going to come with that.
	Yeah.
	So you have to understand both those things.
	Moving to Natalie.
	That's how you say your name, right?
	Natalia.
	Natalia.
	You wanted to talk about aftercare?
	What did you mean by that?
	We did these all together.
	A lot of them are like the same.
	Basically, like just like the concept of aftercare, like with hookups.
	Yeah.
	Do you guys know what aftercare is?
	Like cuddling?
	Like he just tells you.
	Are you talking about?
	Are you talking like BDSM?
	What?
	I don't know.
	Whoa.
	Well, I thought aftercare was in the context of like BDSM.
	No, there's like a concept, at least for like, I feel like in whole hookup culture, it's like there's this thing.
	Well, it probably originates from BDSM, but okay.
	It's nothing crazy.
	It's just so basic.
	Explain it.
	Explain it.
	Okay.
	So aftercare basically is like you hook up with someone or you could even be in a relationship and it's like you have like a sex and everything and it's not just an immediate like, all right, like get up, let's go.
	Like throw a towel and you know.
	It's like a cuddling, like just like reassurance, I guess.
	Bonding.
	It's a love afternoon.
	It's bonding to love bombing off.
	It is love bombing.
	Wait, why are you looking at me, Matt?
	Because you were looking at me.
	No, you started.
	You started looking.
	So we're talking about like the expectations, even if it's just a hookup, like there needs to be a little bit something.
	No, I feel like we actually want like a huge.
	Yeah, because there's, I feel like it's a really big thing here.
	When you're in a relationship, in a relationship, that's different.
	I feel like if you're in a relationship, yeah, you should have a relationship with me.
	Wait, so you guys are saying if you guys are hooking up with a guy, you don't want the guy to like do all those affectionate, like post-sex cuddle, like that kind of stuff.
	Because if the guy knows that he's not going to be actually interested in you after and like trying to pursue you in a relationship form, and you hook up with this guy and he like crazily love bombs you, like it's telling you like you're all this and that.
	And then like the next day is just like, bye, like dude's like not chatting you ever again.
	Like it's just, I feel like you know that like just no follow for her.
	I feel like it builds this delusion for a lot of girls that they'll like start hyping up this guy and then they're like hooked on this person when really he was just doing that to like do it in the moment.
	It's just, it's not like a terrible thing.
	So what would be some examples of like aftercare?
	It would be after you like sleep with a guy, like you're there and he's just like love bombing you, like telling you you're all like, you're amazing and you're all this and that and like acting, almost acting like he's your boyfriend for the night or whatever time span you're in and then just like pretending like he doesn't even know you the next day.
	Like he's going to give you all this attention and all this like admiring you.
	But so what's the context of the hookup?
	Are you guys just meeting at a party?
	Yeah, like they're meeting you at a party and then you're like going home.
	Like in that sense, you know.
	I'm assuming there's like a lot of yeah.
	Well, I mean a lot of people like will do these hookups.
	Maybe they both men and women.
	Maybe it's pure, I don't know.
	Guys like cuddling too, I guess, but same with you.
	Like if they're like what's the example of aftercare that these guys are doing?
	Like what we just said, like cuddling and like just being overly affected.
	I don't think.
	And what about you?
	No, yeah, it's the same thing.
	I just don't want them to be doing that if like they don't actually get someone out of their way.
	Oh my god.
	So you would prefer that they just get up and walk away.
	It's how it feels.
	It's discarded.
	It makes it feel like you're discarding anyway.
	So just to be clear, you'd prefer the guy to just like literally come and then just immediately stop and be like, you can't say no.
	As long as I would go off after the best form I'd hear would be like, pay for my Uber home.
	Like that would be like so expensive how someone does that to me.
	We're talking in college context here.
	Yeah, this is a good idea.
	You're drunk.
	You hook up with this guy.
	It's a mutual agreement that, all right, let's get on our way.
	Pretend this never happened.
	But the thing is, I think a lot of it, a lot of people.
	It's bad, but God used to yell.
	You got to keep you in the middle of the day.
	I mean, one of our friends fully expects it, and she gets upset if he doesn't provide aftercare.
	But at the end of the day, you met him at a party.
	He didn't owe you aftercare.
	You guys are.
	Well, yeah, I don't think you're owed aftercare, but like also the opposite side of that.
	That's like inhumane to not do it, though.
	It's like, why are you even connecting?
	I don't think she should sexually if there's no talking about in a sense of you're going to a party, you're just hooking up.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's almost like obviously it's not going to go anywhere.
	But I think it's inhumane for them not to do it, which like I do understand your viewpoint on that.
	But I feel like it's almost like it hurts more for them to do it because they give you all this hype that like they think you're like the shit and they're into you and then like for them to just like don't hook up with yourself.
	I think that's right.
	I don't think alcohol should be involved at all.
	Like I don't think you're dating.
	I agree.
	You have a night out and you both go home together kind of.
	Yeah, I think it's putting alcohol in the pit.
	I mean, I think it's, but I don't know.
	I think it's just a philosophical.
	It's definitely a lot of hookup.
	Yeah, we're deciding for the hot tape.
	But so you would prefer you just hooked up with a guy for the guy to be like you don't exist.
	Bye.
	No, no, like it doesn't mean any other thing.
	I don't want to go over by.
	I don't want it to be too dickish, but he's just like, he literally like he comes, gets up, and he's like, yeah, you can go.
	No, it's not the context we were talking about, though.
	It's like, if it did happen where he did do that, I'm not going to be like upset and like hold it against him because you'd be more upset if he treated you.
	No, it's not that he treated you well.
	It's that he like he's love bombing you.
	Like it's totally fine.
	You just want him to be upfront.
	Yeah, it is.
	But if it's love bombing, if it's just sex, what difference does it really make?
	Because I think the thing is we can delude ourselves into thinking during these hookups because I've done them.
	We delude ourselves into thinking like we can separate our feelings if this happens or that happens or whatever.
	Most of the time, as a woman, subconsciously, even if you're not aware of it, you have those feelings innately, regardless of whether he cuddles you or whether he doesn't.
	It's very hard to separate sex from feelings.
	I think some women might be okay with this, but I think it would actually be a terrible advice to give men.
	Yes.
	Because if you're going to just like, they're not saying like disrespect the guy.
	We're not saying late, but like respectfully just like help her.
	It was her way.
	Or like she could like.
	Yeah.
	I think respectfully it would be like don't take her to bed if you don't have to.
	Yeah, right.
	Like that's all in every sense.
	I completely agree with that, but like in the context of like your pop culture.
	Yeah, just how to get not like preference.
	This is bad one way or like whatever.
	This is just like a hot take we have.
	And in like the context of how like Isla Vista works and how like people in this community ask that culture.
	It's just like we're kind of just saying, like, if you're going to do that, you have to be realistic.
	Like, as a girl, like, you can't have false hope that this hookup is going to be a good thing.
	Yeah, and we are talking about the delusion after that.
	But it's very hard.
	It's very hard for a woman to separate that false hope.
	It's very hard to separate your feelings from a sexual encounter no matter what you do.
	If you're going to discard her, just be upfront with it.
	Like, don't like from the get-go.
	From the job, exactly.
	And let the woman decide, okay, like I'm cool with it.
	Yeah, and then go.
	We agree with you.
	We're just saying, like, that doesn't have it here.
	Either way, it should be a conversation beforehand.
	I would think, like, this is just sex, and that's it.
	Be respectful.
	No, well, like there's sexist, but like, we're saying that as a girl, you can't get mad if they don't.
	Yeah, like, obviously, if it does have this is like totally contradictory.
	Yeah, I'll just talk.
	Let me read this from Ben George.
	He said, trying to clarify, or Alyssa, could you read it?
	Oh, yeah.
	Trying to clarify if the man is to pay for the first date because he asked for it.
	Is the man responsible if you get pregnant?
	When do you bear some responsibility?
	Who pays the consequence?
	A kid?
	Jeez.
	I don't know if I still really understand it.
	I mean, if the man is to pay for the first date because he asked for it.
	I think he's talking about having to pay child support and stuff like that if the female decides to keep the kid.
	Well, if you have consensual sex, then you're not going to be able to.
	Yeah.
	I don't know where it comes into paying for the first date situation, but because a kid is not the same as a first date.
	But I guess where I'm confused is he's saying, like, if the man pays for the first date, like, these are two separate things.
	Yeah.
	That's where I'm confused.
	So, like, one doesn't necessarily follow the other.
	Like, yeah.
	Doesn't even compare.
	I guess I could just generally ask you guys: is the man responsible if you get pregnant?
	Is that the question?
	I'm still.
	I feel it's a mutual responsibility.
	I think it's mutual.
	Yeah.
	When does the man bear some responsibility?
	I would say to an extent, you know, of course.
	And it's like as much takes two people to have sex when you're going into it.
	You know that that might be a consequence.
	Like, to his point, it takes two people to go on a date.
	Yeah, so, oh, you're saying because I'm not making his argument.
	I'm just like, yeah, yeah, but it's because trying to be as charitable as possible.
	Well, legally, in the event of a child, both people would be responsible for that child.
	Sorry, Ben George, if that's not satisfactory, but oh boy, we got shit.
	Hold on.
	Let's see here.
	Aftercare.
	Well, what about if you're even dating the guy and he's your boyfriend, but he's like.
	Oh, that's different.
	Well, you just mean like, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.
	Just like in the context of hookup culture, because that is so big here, it's like a falsehood and thinking that you're going to get more than you're going to get in a relationship.
	Then, yeah, aftercare is obviously important and making it, it's like reassurance for you.
	All right.
	Let's see.
	Moving on to Alex here.
	You said that.
	Let's see.
	I'm looking at my notes here.
	I'd love.
	You wanted to talk about submission?
	You're all for it?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I just think that it's one of those things that everyone thinks is such a terrible word.
	And I'm just on the side of like I would submit to someone who's worthy of submission.
	And that doesn't mean that, like, the bowing video.
	Like, right, because you said Brian's idea of submission and bowing.
	You wanted.
	What did I say?
	Were you against it?
	Or you're for it?
	Yeah, I'm for it.
	I think that people just assume like submission means that like you're a slave, that you're in a dictatorship in a relationship, but that's not, that's not my viewpoint.
	Like, I think I do agree with gender roles.
	I do believe that men and women are created differently.
	Not, you know, one's more valuable than the other, but we are, we are made with specific roles to be fulfilled.
	And that doesn't mean that like a boy has to like blue and a girl has to like pink, like not like that.
	But I think we're supposed to be a partnership.
	Although the man should have the leadership role, but that doesn't mean that the woman is like, you know, a zero in the equation, right?
	So, yeah, I just wanted to touch on that, I guess.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And looking at your other notes here, you said marriage is not just a contract.
	Actually, first, height difference.
	What was your thing on that?
	I think I was listening to one episode once you just asked about height difference and people caring a lot about that.
	So I'm like, I'm 5'10.
	Like, I'm a tall girl.
	So that's always been something I've thought about.
	I've always wanted to be with a guy that's taller than me.
	But I will say that, like, as I've gotten older, I've cared a lot less about that.
	My boyfriend is taller than me.
	He's like 6'2 or 3.
	I don't know.
	Okay, we'll go around the table really quickly on this.
	How tall are you?
	And what's the bare minimum height?
	5'6, 5'9.
	5'3, like 5'6.
	5'2, 5'6.
	5'5, 5'10.
	You say the minimum height that we would accept?
	Yeah, what's your height, bare minimum height?
	My height's 5'4.
	Sorry, 5'4.
	And I would say, like, I don't know, 5'5'5'6.
	I'll take it.
	5'3 and 5'6.
	Next.
	Okay.
	We have, I'm not gonna be able to get to everybody's notes, unfortunately.
	So if any of you, we could always have some of you back to hit on everything, but I will try to hit on a few for you two, a few of your things, and then we will try to wrap up here soon.
	So let's see.
	We have Diana.
	You mentioned something about fail-fast girl.
	What's that?
	Well, you were kind of like talking about it even.
	Like you get to know someone, you kind of explore like, are we potentially a good match or not?
	If not, then done.
	Move on to like the next person to get to know them, see if they're a good match, da-da-da-da.
	Whereas other people kind of just like prolong, you know, the dating process.
	So.
	So what is the fail?
	What does that mean to be a fail-fast girl?
	Well, my girlfriends called me that in the beginning because they were like, you need to give guys a lot more time and whatnot.
	And my position was I've gotten to know them in a conversation.
	Like, I'm not interested.
	There's no reason for me to give more time or dedicate more time to this, you know, dating situation.
	Okay.
	Let's see here.
	Then the field.
	Looking at some of my notes.
	I might come back to some of your stuff here in just a sec.
	Missy, you said that you made a lot of bad decisions.
	You're promiscuous.
	You do agree with a lot of what the podcast is saying, but I also think you say you also think that we fail to point out that everyone has character flaws, even if they have low body counts, and more importantly, that there are ways that women and men, but especially women, can redeem themselves.
	If you ever want to, oh, you'd be thrilled to, okay.
	You said you were former far left, now politically moderate, conservative, former feminist, now someone who falls between center and traditional.
	I think we already talked about the redemption thing.
	So, I mean, I don't know where, what really the argument is, but so, For example, even if a woman has changed her life and stopped being promiscuous, I think a man can absolutely consider a woman's past promiscuity, even if she stopped being promiscuous and disqualify her as a potential partner.
	Do you disagree with that?
	I don't disagree with that.
	But I do think that I think that context in that situation matters in terms of like, is she screwing around people like a week ago?
	Like, is her promiscuous past like a week or a month ago or whatever, like how long ago it is?
	Sure.
	I would also say like what she has done to sort of change her life.
	But I do also think like a man's past is, if he has been like promiscuous, is as relevant in my opinion.
	I would consider like if a man's been with like 200 women, I would also want to maybe disqualify him.
	But I think it's like worthy of having a conversation.
	I think like some people do grow and change.
	I think a lot of people don't.
	And they carry a lot of that baggage with them.
	Yeah, I think that's.
	And you said in the pre-show notes, although I do have a high body count, you said around 60.
	Yep.
	I haven't actually had a lot of sex because the vast majority of those were maybe once or twice per person.
	95% of the sex you've had outside of a relationship was under the influence of alcohol.
	Yeah.
	I think that like, like in that sense, like you could, you guys have talked about pair bonds, maybe not so much tonight, but in the past, I feel like alcohol sort of inhibits that a little bit.
	Like I personally don't really think of the people I've been with.
	I don't feel like I have these like these horrible ties to them that I just can't shake or anything like that.
	I don't know if I would carry all that into my relationship.
	I think I've done in eight years of being single, even if some of that I was still in addiction, I've done a lot of work on myself and self-reflection to figure out what I've been doing wrong.
	I think a lot of people don't take that time.
	They just jump from relationship to relationship or person to person.
	And yeah, so I take accountability for my past.
	I totally do.
	I wish I could change it.
	I wish I did something different, but I didn't.
	And I hope a man doesn't hold that against me someday.
	Got it.
	And I have so many notes from you on things.
	I know.
	It's so late.
	We can't.
	That's all right.
	If you're down, we'd love to have you back sometime.
	And I can make you a commitment that we'd be able to get through much more of it.
	I mean, same with you potentially.
	But just for you two, since I wasn't able to get through all your notes, just so I can give you each one last thing, I guess.
	Is there one specific topic or anything that you did provide in your notes that you would like to talk about?
	And then I'll have you go after if there's one last thing that each of you would like to hit on.
	I guess that I would just want to say, like, in terms of where we're at as a culture and a society with this hookup culture and modern dating, I think that men need to have as much responsibility as women, even if women are the gatekeepers of sex.
	I think the way men conduct themselves in terms of trying to acquire that sex is as important as the women who are not gatekeeping.
	So I think we're all responsible for the mess we're in, and it's going to take all of us to live a little differently and to do things a little differently to change the mess we're in.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And anything from you?
	I think my biggest and final thought, and honestly, like what I stand for the most is I'm hoping that, you know, men as well, but women specifically, because I am a woman and I speak for myself, that they really do, you know, get educated, learn about covert abuse, learn about narcissistic abuse, learn about healthy relationship communication strategies, things like that.
	That way you can actually approach dating in a safe and in a productive, more productive way.
	That way, you know, you have you have less traumas that you bring into your later adult life, you know.
	So that's one thing that I would say that I've really learned from my fast and furious dating experience.
	That's fair.
	Okay.
	We're going to do a 10-minute segment here.
	Actually, wait, before I do that, here we'll do it really quick.
	We're going to do a chaos called the whatever chaos segment.
	TTS is now $20 for the last 10 minutes of the show.
	So if any of you psychos out there want to send anything in, the trigger is now $20.
	We'll do that for 10 minutes, then we're going to wrap.
	If you can switch it up on Twitch for any of the mods, let me just make sure I change everything on here.
	So you said body count 60 plus?
	Yeah.
	No, around 60.
	Just right around 60.
	Question for the ladies.
	Would you object to a man caring about body count?
	And I guess starting with you, and then we'll go around the table.
	Carrying a what?
	Caring about a woman's body count, your body count.
	Do I think they should care?
	Would you object to it?
	Would you feel like that shouldn't matter?
	It's insecure.
	No, I wouldn't.
	You don't object?
	I would not object to it.
	I don't care, therefore, I think they should not care.
	Oh, you don't care about a man's body count, therefore.
	So you would object then to, if I understand correctly, you would object to a man caring about body count.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You would object to it.
	So you think men shouldn't care about a woman's body count?
	I think mutually.
	Yeah.
	Okay, Madison?
	No.
	What about you?
	I think.
	Nickelodeon donated $99.
	Lesson of the night.
	Hit that Bowens don't come up till there's Mayo in that McChicken.
	What the?
	Oh, if that loud.
	Crazy glass.
	I wouldn't object unless, like, if they had a really high one and then they were like upset about with their girlfriend because she had a high one, I think that's like unfair and I would object.
	Yes.
	But otherwise, I wouldn't.
	No.
	Totally.
	You don't object?
	Okay.
	So, sorry, ask the question again.
	There's like, so is it a problem if he cares?
	Do you object to men caring about women's body count?
	Oh, I don't object.
	Loose pussy energy donated $20.
	You let him get it raw.
	You seem to give second thoughts.
	Now you're a single mom.
	Now you're a single mom.
	Do you said I'm going to have his kids?
	Don't care if he's here or not.
	Now you're a single mom.
	Yep.
	Baby rape.
	At the end of his CTS.
	There's like a face.
	I'm not sure.
	I didn't see.
	I don't know.
	Hold on one sec.
	I'm getting a couple things changed up here.
	We're doing this any while that's oh Not yet.
	Hold on.
	Okay, so going around the table once more.
	What's your body count, starting with you?
	Well, I said around 60.
	I don't know the exact number.
	I'm guessing.
	Sure.
	That's it.
	I don't want to disclose that.
	Do you want to give a, if you want to give an exact number, are you cool with like a range?
	There's no range.
	It's not like above double digits.
	I just don't want to talk.
	I don't want to say it.
	Oh.
	Wait, but hold on.
	I thought it doesn't matter.
	It doesn't matter, and this is why I'm not going to talk about it.
	Obviously, if I talk about it with anyone, it would be my person.
	Okay.
	Can I make a little amendment and just say, but I haven't slept with, I've slept with two people in six years.
	I just want to be clear.
	It's not like a very recent thing.
	Going around the table with the question?
	Is this a pass, Maddie?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	It's only two.
	Two.
	Two?
	Okay.
	No comment.
	Pass.
	Range?
	Zero comments.
	Pass.
	Range?
	Range.
	I give you opportunity for range.
	Nope.
	So I'm the only one who bared her soul.
	Are you going to give us a range, Brian?
	Oh, I don't share my body count.
	That's the one question.
	I had already breathed.
	I had been here.
	I fully object to that because I feel like if it's relevant, Donated $20 to the future cop that won't take a bullet.
	Would you help Girl in Orange get out of her terrible 14-year abusive relationship that she had five kids with?
	How does that have anything to do with anything?
	Ben George donated $20.
	Sorry for being so confusing.
	Wish you all the best.
	Thank you, Ben George.
	Appreciate it.
	You're a legend.
	Ben George.
	You are a legend, sir, and a scholar.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, sir.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	Let me check a couple things here.
	Any final thoughts from anybody else on the panel?
	Anything?
	Going once.
	Going twice.
	I know, we went late.
	Jay Ekin donated $20.
	Let the bear pay for the first date and take the bullet.
	Love.
	Mason, congrats on your enrollment.
	Thanks, Jay.
	I appreciate it.
	Yes, congrats.
	Congrats, man.
	Congrats.
	Yo, Jay, wait, we do, dude.
	Jay, we showed your photo.
	Nick, pull up the bear photo.
	Oh, the photo of the guy?
	That was Jay.
	That's Jay.
	Oh, that's Jay.
	Yeah, he was like, Brian, please, I need to.
	Let's go, Jay.
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	Donated $20.
	60 bodies.
	Jeebus fucking Christ.
	She belongs to the streets.
	Yeah.
	The only reason she wears panties is to keep her ankles warm.
	That's so funny.
	Real Trump donated $20.
	Did you guys watch the roast of Tom Brady?
	I did.
	The jokes about Kim Kardashian having tons of black guys doing touchdown dances in her end zone comedy, He Joyce.
	Yeah.
	I heard that.
	That was a good.
	It was a funny roast.
	The roast is hilarious.
	Tony Hinchcliffe fucking destroyed it.
	Oh my god, that was brutal.
	It was great.
	It was great.
	Let's see here.
	What else?
	I think we've hit on everything.
	I need to get up for just a sec.
	We'll just let a few more come through.
	Guys, the TTS is now 20k.
	$20 TTS.
	Look for the bare necessities, the simple bare necessities.
	Forget about your worries and your strife.
	I mean the bare necessities.
	That's why a bear can rest at ease with just the bare necessities of Lee.
	Okay, here we go.
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	Low.
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	Insufferable, argumentative woman.
	God help any guy she is with.
	Scathing review.
	Wes Watson donated $20.
	Brian, I wish you from the bottom of my heart you became a victim of the worst possible crime for a man.
	SA, in the South Chicago next file a police report.
	Then you will start to care.
	Biaro.
	Another donated $20.
	To the girl that wants a guy to be deceased over a girl getting railed out by everyone.
	Should Gustavo do the same?
	Yes.
	I mean he is a soldier.
	Nemesis donated $20.
	Excuse the interruption, boss.
	07 for Nick.
	Poor lad had to deal with a rager.
	W for an OOF panel.
	Jay Ekin donated $20.
	Brian, I didn't beg you.
	I thought it'd be funny, because in no, I look like a convicted murderer.
	But thank you all.
	Honestly, Jay, you kind of look like a teddy bear.
	I know too many guys like you.
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	Yeah, I thought the definition given here was a little strange.
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	Gustavo looks like Hitler's dream incarnated.
	Blonde hair, blue eyes, and extra white.
	Hey, Gustavo, I dare you to hold out a high five for 10 seconds.
	Wes Watson donated $20.
	The Latina didn't hit or tried to hit Nick, she just wanted to grab the phone, because she didn't want to be recorded.
	I saw IT all clearly on the reflection.
	Shame on all the panel, you liars.
	I mean, I was here watching it.
	He donated $20.
	I would like to see Carolina girl on the panel, please.
	Who is that?
	I don't know who that is.
	Carolina girl, if you want to be on the panel, DM whatever.
	There you go.
	That's how.
	Wait, why are you laughing for that one, Gustavo?
	That's what you would have said.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, dude.
	Well, just to answer the previous one, okay, never mind.
	Here we go.
	Kaiji donated $20.
	You need an average-looking guy on here.
	The middle class.
	You always have high-maintenance people on here.
	Hearing from guys like me could be valuable.
	Don't forget about the little man.
	Truthspeaker donated $20.
	I'd quote you insecure guys are smoking.
	The woman in orange is what we need more of today.
	She's hot AF, knows what she wants, and actually holds men to a high standard.
	Keep doing your thing, please.
	Okay.
	Cecilia donated $20.
	Hey, thank you guys for watching.
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	I'll get them on my dining program, it's all good, I'll fix them, it's all good, it's all good, it's all good, girl in the black on the right, what if a guy checks every box, but is 33 and looks 28?
	Could you see yourself being a mom and wife by age 22?
	Wait, quick Chernobyl donated $20.
	Orange dress was with an abusive guy for 14 years and gave him five kids.
	She deserved IT.
	I know she was abusive back.
	By the way, this is the whatever roast, okay?
	Whatever roast.
	Don't take it personally, guys.
	Don't take it personally.
	Crazy Chicago Latino Nick Abram.
	Oh my gosh.
	I want the fade.
	Okay.
	Oh, wait.
	I don't know if it's actually a lot of scuffed definitions donated $20.
	Equity means everyone is provided specific resources they need to be successful.
	Equality means everyone is treated the same exact way, regardless of differences and specific needs.
	Ben George donated $20.
	Thank you, Ben George.
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	A bear asked a rabbit if crap sticks to his fur.
	The rabbit said, no.
	The bear picked up the rabbit and wiped his ass with him.
	No man asked that question of a woman in the woods.
	Did they?
	Wes Watson donated $20.
	Brian, I wish you from the bottom of my heart you became a victim of the worst possible crime for a man, SA, in the South Chicago and next file a police report.
	You will start to care, Biaro.
	She did technically $20, Brian.
	You need to start doing pranks again.
	This is not what I subscribed for 12 years ago.
	This is here to stay, man.
	This is here to stay.
	I appreciate the support of the population.
	Peter said, The only thing these girls learn in college is to tell boys not to snuggle with them after court.
	Yeah, that's crazy.
	We learn a lot.
	He's kind of wasting his hard-earned money on your lack of education.
	Yeah, it's a death way of doing that.
	Every year I get older, the more I understand passport brothers.
	41 now, and the West just looks worse and worse every year.
	Enjoyed the decline.
	I have.
	Passport, passport.
	Real Trump donated $20.
	Glad to see that the chair where Gorlock sits can still hold the weight of an average American woman.
	I was worried that the hydraulics might have blown out after the second visit.
	Yo, Antarius.
	Antarius.
	Which country did you have to do with the family?
	If any guy, including your boyfriend, boss co-workers, do not enthusiastically vow to protect you.
	They are not men.
	Period.
	They can cope like a coward, but the best way to die is heroically.
	Not old.
	Sorry, sorry, and Peter Smith.
	Anonymous donated $20.
	Mark Rudolph coined the phrase dating is legal prostitution way back in the late 90s.
	He's a legend.
	I'd love to see him as a guest on the podcast.
	Thanks, Brian, and all whatever stuff for all you haven't heard of him.
	I can check it out, but I mean, an OG would be like Tom Likas.
	Tom Lykis, or like maybe Aden Corolla, although he wasn't like, they just kind of gave more like general dating advice.
	But Tom Lykus would be.
	He lives.
	I think Tom Likas lives.
	Oh, by the way, guys, it has to be through Streamlabs.
	We'll show these, but it does have to be through Matt.
	I appreciate it.
	Thank you, man.
	This guy thinks who's made to leave.
	Marry you.
	Okay, all right.
	Shoot your shot, bro.
	Just a reminder: do it through Streamlabs, guys, for the TTS to trigger.
	It's not through it, it won't trigger through YouTube.
	Yeah, Tom Likas would be a come up, though.
	He lives in the R's Core War Zone donated $20.
	I don't tend to get into discussions like this, but I am.
	As far as the body count argument is concerned, I believe the only time it should matter is if it is objectively excessive age equals count or higher.
	Hmm.
	Word?
	Yeah.
	Is concerned?
	I believe the only time it should matter is if it's objectively excessive.
	Antarius donated $20.
	Okay.
	Central America is the way to go.
	Latina greater than Asia.
	To clarify, I still live in the US, but I'll be retired in 10 years.
	No way would I ever want to date an average 40-year-old US woman?
	What do you guys think about the Passport Pros thing?
	Dudes who are like leaving the United States?
	I didn't know that was a thing.
	Brian's Lint Roller donated $20.
	Chicken Orange left her five kids to get dicked down by 30 randos on Tinder.
	Whoever her mentors are, they're corrupting society.
	You want to respond to that?
	I didn't leave that.
	Nickelodeon donated $20.
	Chicken Orange, I feel kind of bad we went so hard on you.
	But in the future, if you find yourself dating again, give the man on the date as much consideration as you give your dinner entourage.
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	Woman in orange is sexy.
	I hope you find a great man to grow.
	Clearly, have worked really hard and deserve the best.
	PS Passport Brothers are cringe AF.
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	Can someone on the panel tell me exactly what Gorlock's chair smells like?
	Flaming Heron wants to know.
	Tell me exactly what Gorlock chair smells like.
	Maddie actually smelled it like after the show, so which chairs actually took it.
	We actually are.
	We actually put it.
	It's up for selling.
	Orange has typical DV worker indoctrination.
	Ask her how equal was her 10-year marriage.
	Was it 50-50?
	Was it 50-50?
	No, it was not.
	I was the soul breadwinner for the next decade.
	You were the soul breadwinner.
	Real Trump donated $20.
	The only time I've seen a Latina do bow is to pick up a drop to Torti.
	Asians are better than Latinas by far.
	Oh, wow, there's a dispute in a comment battle between the fight.
	Sydney donated $20.
	Hey, Brian, huge fan.
	So proud of how far this podcast takes.
	Thank you, Sydney.
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	Maddie, you are so pretty.
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	Thank you.
	Opinion of age gap relationship.
	Depends on their own.
	By the way, because of the TTS, I won't be able to link it.
	What do you guys bench?
	Bob Sagitt asking the real question from the great.
	Opinion of age gap relationship.
	Maddie, opinion of age gap relationship?
	Don't really mind.
	Don't care about that.
	696 sextillion 969.
	Do you like $969 trillion $696 billion donated?
	I don't think it's not the actual work at the sperm bank, but got fired for drinking on the job.
	I think it's actually a Loki supporter who's just roasting.
	Super Silver donated $20.
	This was a great example of why guys shouldn't be paying on the first date.
	The lack of compassion and perspective proves why you should stick to going Dutch.
	Bo if you screen the girl, if you screen the girl and she's a like DI underscore donated $200,000.
	Brian, how many Bitcoin or wow items would need to be donated to never have Demi on again?
	Compounding extreme stupidity with a Mickey Mouse voice is so insufferable.
	I'll do it.
	Ben George donated $20,000.
	It may seem silly, but hopefully in the end all of this silliness makes everyone think.
	Love all of you.
	Yeah, I've had a few too many, but am I wrong to want people to think?
	No, it's not.
	Question for the ladies.
	Would you still wear makeup if the zombie apocalypse happened tomorrow and all the men on planet Earth turned into zombies?
	Jesus.
	No.
	Heretic donated $20.
	Brian, you're doing great work here.
	Madison, you're a perfect 10.
	Your facial expressions are the backbone of this podcast.
	Wait.
	Larson donated $20.
	Thank you, Heretic.
	Huge fan of the show, Brian, and love what you're doing, Mason.
	But legit question: can an average guy be on the show or just woman can message you?
	Uh-oh.
	You said that, like, most of them show up, right?
	Yeah.
	Bob Sagett donated $20.
	I'm really selective with the guys.
	What do you bench?
	$4.30.
	I'm pretty selective when it comes to the guys we have on the show.
	Typically, they have to have, like, some background, like, content creation, public speaking.
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	They have to be validated when your cat wakes you up like this.
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	Meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow.
	I didn't think there were this many meows.
	Yeah, I didn't read that many.
	I mean, but I guess to kind of answer Larson's question, yeah, I mean, I've given a lot of guys chances on the show.
	Some normal guys, even some guys who claim to, you know, a lot of people choke on the show.
	And yeah, I've given a lot of chances.
	And then actually, we had this one guy.
	I haven't talked about this yet.
	We had this one guy who came on the show, had a thousand, two thousand Instagram followers.
	I don't really, like, honestly, you could have zero Instagram followers, but if you can, like, debate and hold your position and actually like have conversations about this, because most men are not really going to be prepared to be honest with you.
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	Just chicken nuggets.
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	I wonder if this guy follows Tim the tab man.
	That's a Tim question.
	Going back to the guy thing, I've invited guys on.
	Typically, a lot of times they just choke and they say nothing the entire time.
	Like, it's hard, granted, but you have to be willing to try to insert yourself in.
	Like, I'm not going to handhold you to, like, I'm not going to give you a layup for you to get your point in.
	Like, you got to be aggressive a little bit on this podcast if you want to get your word in.
	And as a guy, like, I'm not going to like hand-hold you.
	Oh, what do you, what do you think?
	No, like, you got to come in if you want it.
	Maybe you might say that makes me a bad host, but like, I'm not going to give you layups.
	Like, you got to just go for it.
	And, like, all the best guys who've been on the show, I never have to give them layups.
	Andrew Wilson, don't have to give him a layup.
	Chase, don't have to give him a layup.
	Mason, don't gotta give him a layup.
	Don't have to be like, well, what do you think about this?
	And let me help you along in the conversation here.
	If I want a guy to come on, if a guy wants to come on the show, he has to be at that level.
	He can't expect me to give him layups.
	And I've had two guys complain about this.
	Brian, after the show, $20.
	I'll get into that in a minute.
	Question for Mason and Brian.
	Would you rather be in the forest with a bear or a 411 woman who knows Jujit Su?
	Hashtag free jigaka nick.
	Hashtag free mad dog.
	Hashtag free good stuff.
	I like short women, so yeah.
	I mean, that's Brian's dream.
	Teller cream donated $20.
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	I paid $20 just to say that black shirt on the right seems really F. All answers had some kind of compromise or realistic answers.
	Stay real queen.
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	Hello.
	Do you want to say anything?
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	Can you slide into the DMs?
	All right, okay.
	But yeah, last thing on the whole guy thing.
	I mean, I've invited two guys on the show who gone on afterwards because I didn't handhold them and I didn't give them layups.
	Went on to go ahead and talk shit about me after the show.
	Even after I was perfectly polite to them, perfectly nice to them after the show, during the show, etc.
	Oh, Brian didn't do enough to give me a layup.
	Now, do you see what we're dealing with on the modern dating scene?
	What do you mean?
	Like men, the general, like, they just won't communicate even.
	They won't.
	I mean, these are the same.
	A underscore Warzone donated $20.
	To give some clarification on my previous message, the age equals count is, I believe, one per year of your life would be a teetering on the edge of excessive while, hopefully, having healthy relationships.
	I agree with that.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I mean, for me, it's not like a general statement about men.
	I do think some men can get in over their heads because it's one thing to be like sitting behind your computer watching the show, be like, from the comfort of your own house, your own room.
	Oh, I would say that.
	When they say this, I would say this.
	I would say this.
	It's like, have you ever had like a shower argument where you're like, you fucking smoke them in your mind, but then like, but then you smoke them.
	But like during the actual argument, you can't, you're not like as, oh, and you like, how many people here have been in an argument?
	And then after the fact, you're like, fuck, I should have said this, this, and this.
	I'll probably feel that way after tonight.
	Yeah, I'll probably feel that way after tonight.
	Like, I had a lot on my mind, but then you get here and you're nervous and you're like, can't formulate.
	It's harder.
	It's harder in person.
	There's the lights, cameras.
	A bunch of people around the table.
	I could F keeping it.
	I'm going to be on.
	It's hard.
	I'm going to ask you.
	I'm going to debate anything and have strong positions.
	BTW.
	You have to fly me in from Sweden.
	Yeah, that's not happening.
	Sorry.
	Reverse passport, bro.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, it is what it is, you know.
	And I try, I've given guys shots.
	And then obviously now we, I mean, there's another layer here where we have like security concerns.
	Yeah.
	Like we've had crazy shit, you know.
	Like tonight.
	Like tonight, that chick fucking.
	Yeah, perfect example.
	Even the chicks.
	Even the girls.
	Fucking trying to murder Nick.
	Hashtag free Nick.
	Hashtag free Nick.
	Nick's will.
	God damn.
	And Terra donated $20.
	Drop the names, Brixon.
	You can't be like the women on your podcast.
	If you're going to say this happens to you, you have to drop the details which men have said this.
	I can do it in a sec.
	Up PR Aquatic donated $22.
	What kind of place should the woman be taken to for the first date?
	Benny Hanna, son.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	Coffee.
	Don't talk about that.
	I would say for coffee, honestly, or lunch.
	You're all getting to know each other.
	Or just like straight up.
	You do have a point, Brian.
	It just sucks not having our voices heard.
	But respect, man.
	I understand your reasoning.
	Well, the other thing is, I get hundreds of requests per week from men wanting to come on.
	So what's it called?
	I'm not a troll, Brian.
	You should have kicked.
	Oh, bro, you ten.
	Goblin.
	Sterling Burnett donated $20.
	That's a twist.
	Brian, your show is the reason I've been getting better at debating and strengthening my moderate views.
	Thank you, man.
	Hash hook to cameo one day.
	Thank you, man.
	Yeah, the other thing is we get like 100 requests per week for men wanting to be on the show.
	And I mean, you know, we can't accommodate everybody.
	I don't have time.
	Like, I would want somebody to submit videos, for example.
	Okay, talk about without a script, talk about dating for two minutes or something.
	Did I do that for you?
	Yeah, you did that with me.
	I was like, yo, send me a video of that.
	I had to send videos of me discussing dating topics just off the cuff.
	Yeah.
	And I'll, for example, some guys I'll like look at their profile, I'll be like, maybe.
	And I'll be like, okay, send me a video of you talking about a thing.
	They even want me to hand-hold them.
	And I just say, send me a video of you talking about a dating topic.
	They're like, well, what?
	I'm like, huh, I'm already starting to have hesitation there.
	Don't make me donated $20.
	You got to like send it.
	30 dates times $50 a date.
	$1,500.
	Life on easy mode.
	Also, did that chick break something when she left?
	P.S. Good thing you have Alpha Nick there to pop your bottles and protect the pantry.
	She was like, There's a bulletin.
	She made a mess.
	Brian, I'm a 38-year-old divorced HVAC technician and to be honest.
	No one wants to hear from some average dude like me.
	I'd much rather watch Andrew Wilson make these women look like cartards.
	He'll group all the women together.
	Brian's underscore feeder underscore 69 donated $20.
	The Dits in the orange is just like blah blah, blah blah, while the Canadian is like sir, I don't charm right um, but yeah, I mean uh to real Trump there.
	Uh it I, you could, you could have no like.
	It's not a clout thing, by the way.
	I'll bring on a guy who has zero followers.
	Uh, who's has an average job.
	It's not your job, it's not your clout, don't care.
	Uh it's.
	It's your ability to actually be able to effectively participate in the debate in the face of people who strongly disagree with you, to actually be able to articulate good arguments.
	I'm not even.
	I'm not even that good of a debater.
	That's why that's why I like to try to have like a little backup, you know.
	That's why I have Andrew on.
	He's a fantastic, he's one of the best.
	I don't know if I've seen anybody who debates nearly as well as Andrew.
	Yeah, he's a powerful and I actually like.
	I think I'm one of the first ones who really like.
	I think when I first messaged Andrew, he had maybe 10,000 subscribers on YouTube.
	He's now at like 60 70,000.
	That's probably mostly, mostly from whatever.
	Johnny Laudo nated $20.
	Second girl from the right, would you date a 40 years old army infantry veteran that makes 60k a year to be a stay-at-home dad wait.
	So he's working, but then he's also a stay-at-home dad.
	I don't get that.
	He's a 40-year-old army infantry veteran, makes 6k years.
	Oh, he's always out.
	Oh yeah yeah 100, yeah.
	But I mean he's a good man yeah, who loves.
	Just to give context though, like when it came to Andrew Right, I saw videos of him and he, I was like this guy's a fantastic debater.
	Yeah, Grimsith donated, it was your pioneer and the decent man.
	I agree with 99 of everything you say.
	Thank you man, long time viewer.
	I have to say thank you man, you're doing the law's work.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, appreciate it, uh.
	But yeah, I mean Andrew, like clout, don't give a fuck, don't give chase.
	No, following the good guys donated twenty dollars, don't care.
	How are you guys still awake?
	Uh, shout out.
	Night, we're gonna end soon.
	Just one cup.
	Meow meow meow meow, goose, you look like my son.
	Meow, shout out.
	Fellow good guys who GT fo Cities?
	Yeah good, good times.
	The two.
	I will say who the two were.
	I don't even honestly remember their names.
	Uh, one of them was.
	There's a panel where like three girls got kicked out.
	Um, trying to remember, I think was Nick there for this one.
	It was like this guy who sat here said nothing.
	Um, then he went on to like talk shit because he these people have a poor performance on the podcast and instead of like reflecting and be like hmm, got in over my head.
	I actually don't know to like how to debate it all.
	They want to just blame me for not giving them the, the layup, not giving them the handhold.
	I forgot what that guy's name was.
	There was a guy who recently, actually very recently, talked shit.
	Um, it was the private security guy with the beard uh, or the.
	He did like i'm trying to remember.
	No, He was a security consultant or something.
	Beard and talked massive shit.
	Like some, some, uh, I don't know if he was a, he was like big guy, beard, uh.
	Steve?
	Cherry donated $20.
	So the male guests need to be master debaters.
	I mean, they don't have to be, you don't have to be like Andrew Wilson level, but like...
	Not just male guests, though.
	I feel like female guests also.
	Well, also, yeah.
	I also do want women who can come on and actually get a lot of people.
	I thought for a minute I felt like you were being a real asshole tonight, but then I kind of speaking a dick.
	Yes, you were.
	And I kind of took in what you were doing, and it was hard not to internalize it, but I tried to be better.
	I try.
	I will say.
	Oh, no.
	God, I don't like that face.
	You do have a tendency to be like, and I don't think it was wrong.
	I don't try.
	You do tend to be like, I need to say something in response to everybody.
	Well, because I feel like it's like a bad thing.
	I don't think you're wrong for me.
	I'll try not to jump in so much.
	I tried at the end.
	We're going to get the Twitch rate going, then we're going to wrap up here.
	Yeah?
	Don't trust anything that bleeds without dying.
	What the fuck?
	Old man Halloween.
	Disavowed.
	Did anyone ever correct the blonde in orange on domestic terrorism?
	She gave a definition to domestic violence earlier.
	Timothy McVeigh is a domestic terrorist.
	Oklahoma City bombing.
	Antarius donated $20.
	Shout out to the woman a few weeks back who in her pre-show notes said I'm a feminist and then the very first question, I'm not a feminist and said nothing else the entire show.
	That's great.
	Up PR Aquatic donated $20.
	Another reality.
	Does Pineapple belong on pizza?
	No.
	No.
	No, it does not.
	Does not.
	That's heresy.
	That's heresy.
	Nick, we're going to raid Stay Safe TV on Twitter.
	Kaiju donated $22.
	Thank you, Kaiju.
	It would be cool if you could do a two-minute video type thing.
	But I do understand how much of a pain that is.
	Maybe one day something can happen.
	Good night all.
	Yeah.
	At this point, it's just there's way too many people who like request to be on like if they don't if honestly, if they don't have like any history of like content creation, public speaking, I tend to just overlook it.
	I'll occasionally make exceptions, but like you'd basically have to message me.
	If you were interested, you'd have to message me.
	Here, Brian, here's a two-minute video of me speaking unscripted.
	Don't script it.
	Maybe I'd be open to that, but yeah.
	Bob Sagart donated $20.
	Are they fighting?
	McGregor or Chandler?
	McGregor.
	I'll do McGregor.
	Okay.
	So we're going to do a Twitch raid.
	After that, I'll do my outro or I'll do my outro, then we'll.
	Wait, before that, guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	If you can pull that up, Nick.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Yep, twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drops a follow in the Prime sub before we head on out here, guys.
	I'm going to get this wrapped up here pretty soon.
	We are going to do a raid.
	So stick around on Twitch.
	Going to send you to a fucking legend, a GigaChad.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drops a follow.
	Drops a Prime sub.
	If you're watching on YouTube, drops a follow over there if you can.
	And then, so, let's see.
	Before I do the Twitch raid, GG, well play to the panel.
	Thank you guys.
	Thank you guys so much for coming.
	I thought it was a good convo.
	Definitely an interesting show.
	Antarius donated $20.
	Needs more wow, streamers.
	I donate a champagne, Popify, C Simon, eyes on this podcast.
	We've had Stay Safe on, and I'm trying to get Payo and Asmund Gold.
	If anybody knows Asma, we'll get S Fond.
	We'll get all those guys.
	All those guys.
	If you know them, we'll get them on.
	Last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	It can have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	And I will do the raid before I do a final outro.
	But thank you to everyone who super chats, donate, supports the show.
	We will be live again.
	Stay Tuesday.
	Yep.
	We'll be live again Sunday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM at whatever on Instagram.
	If you can make it to Santa Barbara, 07's in the chat.
	We're going to do the Twitch raid first, and then we'll have a final message on YouTube really quick.
	Nick, could you pull up Stacey?
	No, we love the whatever podcast.
	What the frick?
	Oh, fuck.
	What was I going to say?
	Okay.
	Thank you, those of you who are watching on Twitch.
	I'm going to send you over there in just a moment.
	So the raid is going.
	What is he watching?
	What is this crazy guy doing?
	Curtis Underscorle on underscore donated $20.
	Girl in the orange doesn't have baggies.
	She has a UH.
	Canada in 45.
	Why haven't we invaded them yet?
	Yeah, we should have a lot of friends and BBI.
	We need to annex.
	We're going to annex Canada.
	Okay.
	See you guys on Twitch.
	Thank you for watching over on Twitch.
	I'm going to raid now.
	Thank God we beat him to the punch.
	Boom.
	Because if they had gotten that text in the middle of the day, what the frick is this guy?
	What the frick is this guy watching, bro?
	What is he?
	There it is.
	Oh, move.
	Hide us, Nick.
	Hide us, Nick.
	It is Brian and the whatever podcast.
	Hey, welcome.
	Welcome, guys.
	Post back.
	Whatever likes to choose you, dude.
	It's because I like Brian and I are good friends.
	Brian is a secret World of Warcraft player.
	Is the audio all the way up?
	I don't know about secret.
	I've also been on the whatever podcast two times.
	I know.
	He's been on two times.
	We'll get him on soon.
	Anyways.
	No, thank you.
	Welcome, everyone.
	Guys, we are.
	Anyways, that's it.
	Okay.
	He's watching the street.
	You can X out of that, Nick.
	You can exit out of that.
	Let me just make sure we aren't missing anybody here.
	That's all X'd out.
	Puffy's English teacher donated $20.
	Puffy has been working on his grammar.
	Any chance that he'll be on?
	He got mad.
	He blocked me on Instagram because I took too long to read one of his super chats.
	It took us too long or something.
	So he blocked me.
	He won't reply to my DM.
	And I tried to get Madison to bug him a little bit.
	But yeah, he was deeply offended.
	I underscore spend underscore to underscore much underscore and underscore here donated $20.
	They're not getting mad.
	The Thick Red had got the mommy milkers.
	Wow, Milkers, Mommy, Milky Wilkins.
	This will be the last question.
	This will be the last question.
	So, would the girls, really quick, would you date?
	Like, would you date?
	Would you date me?
	Would you date Mason?
	And would you date Gustavo?
	Did you hear that?
	No.
	To all of us?
	No, to all.
	Or like, no to me.
	It's the age thing.
	I wouldn't say that.
	Age thing.
	Even if, like, Mason, let's see the double bicep.
	Trying to show the double bice.
	That was a little chuckle.
	He's too old.
	Look at this.
	He's 10 years older than her.
	I'm feeling his trapezius right now.
	Oh, gosh.
	Yeah, too old.
	That's huge.
	10 years different.
	It's not a huge gap.
	I mean, it's not.
	Yeah, it's not that when you're 18 now, 28.
	Well, here's the value add.
	What if I was like, you know, second date, Hawaii?
	Still with no-go?
	No.
	That's crazy.
	Yeah.
	I would say Gustavo, what would you do?
	What is your value?
	Gustavo, how old are you, bro?
	You're like 23.
	Is that 28?
	Anything over 20 is too old.
	Yeah.
	Damn, that's crazy.
	It's just because once you're 21, you could go to like bars and clubs.
	I'm not trying to drink with a girl.
	Nickelodeon donated $20.
	Blonde in the middle, almost bitter hole in her lips staring at Mason.
	I've met a girl.
	I was like, it was Jana ending here.
	What was that two thing?
	What was that two-point you were talking about?
	Is this like a two-man here?
	Sorry, I'm an active listener.
	I'm a Graham.
	I'm like a dinosaur, so it ain't happening.
	It ain't happening.
	Even if I offer Hawaii, it's not here.
	That's a little bit.
	You ever been to Hawaii?
	That's funny.
	No.
	I'm messing around.
	That was literally.
	Would you.
	Do I have to answer this question?
	Actually, no, you don't, because it was not a TTS and whatever.
	Okay.
	You don't want to hear the answer.
	No, I didn't mean it like that.
	No, I just meant we're moving on.
	Would you date Mason?
	No.
	Would you take a slice of that?
	Wait, what the fuck am I trying to do?
	Slice up.
	Slice of that.
	Cut yourself a slice of that.
	Oh, God.
	I would say maybe to you too, but I don't know that guy.
	That's what I'm getting in.
	Yeah.
	Damn it.
	I just, I wanted to end it before the seven-hour.
	Oh, wait, we can still end it before the seven.
	Oh, my God.
	We're going to end it.
	Cherry donated $20.
	We're going to end it before the seven hours.
	Thank you, Mason, for being the only one to get my master debate a comment.
	I got it.
	Master Debater.
	Master Debater.
	Okay, guys.
	Thank you guys so much for tuning in.
	We will be live Sunday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Got some good shows.
	Very good shows.
	Good guests coming on the way.
	07's in the chat.
	07's in the chat.

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