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CONFRONTING Viral Gym E-girl! 50 Body Count At 21?! Makeup DEBATE! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) | Dating Talk #139

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So without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
So please tell us your name, age, occupation, and location.
Go ahead.
Hi, I'm Maddie Rouve.
I'm 21.
I do OnlyFans.
Wait, and location?
Yeah, like where are you from?
Oh, California.
California, so like... Orange County.
Oh, okay.
All right.
And you recently went viral for like, what are they calling you?
Pole Squat Girl.
That's the name of the gym.
Or Pole Squat.
That's what I was saying.
That's the name of the move.
That's the name of the movement, yeah.
Okay.
I was at LA Fitness.
Okay, and you got how many views like across social media?
Like 300 million or something?
300 million, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, we're going to pull it up.
We're going to, we're going to.
Joey Swole reacted to it, so we're going to see his reaction.
We're going to see the original, and we'll have a little discussion on that.
What about you?
Mizra.
21, and I did OnlyFans.
I'm in between right now.
So sorry.
I did OnlyFans, but I'm in between right now.
And yeah.
Where are you from?
Originally Turkey, but right now Riverside.
Were you born in Turkey?
Turkey.
Okay.
Istanbul?
No.
Okay.
Izmir.
I love that place.
It's so dope.
Okay.
And are you a student or?
Not anymore.
What were you studying previously?
I was psychology.
Psych?
Okay.
Yeah.
What about you?
My name is Megan Robinson.
I have a mindset coaching business, and I have a podcast called Lessons in Self-Love.
I'm 22 years old, and I'm from Washington, D.C. All right.
Welcome.
So you flew here?
I did.
First time in California?
No.
Okay.
Got it.
What about you?
Hi.
My name is Kendall.
I'm 19 years old and I'm a student.
Where at?
I'm at the Santa Barbara City College.
What are you studying?
I'm studying communications.
Gotcha.
And where are you from originally?
I've moved a lot, but originally from San Diego.
Got it.
What about you?
My name is Kayla.
I'm 30.
I live in Las Vegas.
I'm a stripper, an author, and I'm also starting real estate.
All right, welcome.
Thanks.
My name's Kyla.
I'm 18 years old.
I'm a student, and I'm from Santa Barbara.
And what are you studying?
I'm studying business econ as of right now.
At the city college?
Yeah.
Got it.
Okay.
Hi.
Thank you for having me.
My name is Jordan.
I'm 25.
My husband and I own a private gym in Riverside.
We also do personal training, online coaching.
Entrepreneur.
I'm a wife and a dog mom.
And we're you grew up born in Riverside?
Yeah.
Okay.
Q.
The Q-Pill, behavioral scientist, certified relationship coach, YouTuber, entrepreneur, author.
Age?
31.
Government name?
Jaquan.
Jaquan.
Okay.
What do you prefer?
You want them to call you Q-Pill?
Call me Q. Call him Q. Call him Q. All right, cool.
So, we're going to go around the table once more.
So, what's everybody's current relationship status?
So, you single, talking stage, situation ship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex cult, part of a harem?
Is it harem or harem?
I've heard both.
I've heard harem.
Let's go in.
Chat, chat.
Is it harem or harem?
Harem is ugly as fuck.
I thought it was harem for my entire life, but then I started hearing harem.
Harem.
So, which one is it, chat?
Is it which one?
Help us out.
PPC?
Help us out in the chat.
Harem.
First one, wait.
Okay.
One for harem, two for harem.
One for harem.
Two for harem.
One for harem.
Two for harem.
Okay.
So if you're in either of those, let us know.
If you're single, how long have you been single?
And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in, starting with you?
Go ahead.
I'm single, not talking to anyone, not having sex with anyone.
And the longest.
Stop the cap.
Maybe lower it to 90.
You're not having P in the V with anybody?
No, I mean, don't check my Twitter, but.
I did check your Twitter and they're on Twitter.
You're having, is that AI or are you saying that's AI?
No.
No.
I stopped seeing that person.
So currently I'm not hooking up with anyone else.
That was just like in your backlog?
No, that was like a week ago.
Oh.
Oh, so you had sex as recently as a week ago.
But I also stopped a week ago.
So you've been, are you claiming celibacy?
Yes.
I feel like at least a minimum a month before you can claim celibacy.
Okay, but before that it was like eight months.
Huh.
Okay.
So, okay, you're, was this a guy you were dating?
Or was it just for work?
No, I was dating him.
My friend introduced us to start dating, and then she got jealous that we were seeing each other, so she also started fucking him.
And then I said, that makes me uncomfortable, and she said, I was fine with sharing.
And I said, well, I'm not.
So I don't talk to either of them anymore.
Yeah.
How long were you friends with this lady?
A few months.
Okay.
Yeah, I have a hard time actually being friends with other sex workers, which is funny, because I find that these situations always happen.
Did you consider the guy that you were seeing your boyfriend?
Or what was it?
He asked to be exclusive.
And I said, I'm not seeing other people, but like, I want a little bit more time.
You want a little more time to what?
Decide if there's something better comes along.
No, I'm just like, I'm scared of people, you know?
You never know.
People slip up.
I have to do that.
But they might fuck your friends.
They did fuck my friends.
They might fuck your friends.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, he was.
Was he in the content, adult content creation space before you met him?
He was, but not in an online way.
Okay.
But he was also okay to make and sell content with me, so it kind of was like an L, I'm not going to lie.
For him or for you?
For me.
To make content with him?
Yeah.
Why is it an L?
Because you had to pay him?
No, because I only want to make content with a partner.
I don't make content with strangers.
But you made content with him?
Yeah.
Who's kind of a stranger, sort of?
I had known him for like, you know.
Oh, okay.
A little bit.
All right.
Well, so, okay, you've been single and not talking to anybody for a week.
Yes.
Okay.
Do you think that's going to reconcile or that's donezo?
No, it's done.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
As of a week, I'm in a relationship now.
As of, oh, so you've been, it's like, wait, are you seeing, are you dating, is this, is Is this your friend?
Yeah, we have beef.
Oh, yeah, I texted her.
She's a crazy cunt.
Like, what?
How many days ago?
I just don't know.
Oh, my God.
No.
No, wait.
That's chat.
Nah, they're just chatting.
How's his nine-inch column, though?
Nine inches and girthy.
I noticed you're wearing a size queen.
Hold on a minute.
Shirt.
No, I mean, I don't believe that there's actually a.
Oh.
So you, okay, you've been dating a guy for purposes of clarity for the audience, you're not dating her guy.
No.
Okay.
So how long have you been seeing this guy?
Or like, because you said has it been official for a week, but you've been seeing him for longer or?
Um, okay, so technically, I've been talking to him for like a year.
Um but he just came.
Or like technically, yeah.
He just came like a month ago because he used to live in Turkey.
And so he moved to the US for me.
And then I was like, now I can be in a relationship.
Because I didn't want to do long distance.
But so you first met him a year ago?
Was this in Turkey?
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Well.
Or here.
I met him like a few years ago because he was my ex-he was my ex-friend.
What?
Your ex's friend?
Like, best friend.
But.
Wait, you met, so while you were dating a guy, you met your current Ting.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
But he deserved it.
Who deserved it?
Like, my ex.
Why?
Because he cheated on me.
Oh, so you're just with this new guy as revenge.
No, Because that was like, that was like five years ago.
Oh, okay.
So we knew each other back then.
Obviously, we were friends.
And then, yeah, a year ago then we just like were just friends.
And I went back to Turkey and I was there for like six months.
And so we were like seeing each other on and off.
And then he officially like moved to US for me.
For you?
Yeah.
Why didn't you move to Turkey for him?
I didn't want to.
So he likes you more than you like him?
Maybe?
That's basically what it boils down to?
No.
I wouldn't say so.
Because I think like it's very different because Turkey, it's not good economically right now.
So it's like no one would choose to cheat.
Yeah, I think I can.
I think I can.
think that's the one exception to the man moving America is better than Turkey so I mean watch out all the watch out You're going to invoke the wrath of the Turkish.
Do you want to apologize to all the Turkish people that you've just...
Fuck, no.
America number one.
Sorry.
Okay.
Alright, so.
Okay, so he moved here.
So you've been talking to him for a year, you said.
Is that correct?
Yes.
Okay.
Were you seeing off?
Were you seeing other guys in that one-year period?
Yes.
Damn.
It was on and off.
You had an on-and-off again, long-distance relationship?
No, I was in Turkey for six months.
Okay, so for the first...
For the first six months.
Okay.
Okay.
So you guys were dating there, eh?
Yeah.
Was it on and off again there?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's always been on and off.
Oh, okay.
He moved for an on-again-off-again relationship?
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Okay, alright.
So he's been here for a week?
He's been here for a month.
Oh, been here for a month?
Has it been off yet?
No.
Is it any arguing so far?
No arguing?
he moved with you or did he move into it oh so y'all live together Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Okay.
Good times.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
What about you?
I have a boyfriend.
We've been together for about 10 months now.
And we just had our first session of premarital counseling like a week ago.
So we're very serious.
Wait.
You and him went together to see a therapist?
No, so premarital counseling in like the Christian religion, you have to go there and like talk to a priest for a couple sessions before like you get engaged so that you can prepare properly.
I didn't know that.
What denomination?
It's a Christian.
Christian pastor.
Protestant, evangelical.
This specific church we go to is just like a Bible church.
I don't know.
So something like that.
In order to get married at that specific church, you have to do like the couple premarital.
I don't think it's required, but it's something that we wanted to do just to make sure we're like doing right by God in like the covenant that we have.
So love that.
Huh.
How many sessions is it?
I think it's like five.
And what, so what is discussed in so the first one, he just kind of gave us advice because he's been married for like 40 years.
So he was just talking to us about like our relationship, who we are.
Why Coyote 5 o donated $100?
What's up with Kaiser Wilhelm back there?
Dude looks like he's planning to go around the Magino line and invade France.
Suspicious.
Well, you know, here's the thing, right?
So this is a Chilean Chile, South America military uniform.
You know, it has certain Prussian military influences dating back to the early 19th, 1900s, perhaps even before.
And so he's thinking about, you know, I think he's looking at Peru.
He's looking at Peru.
You know, there's Argentina's pretty close, you know.
So, yeah.
Thank you for that.
Appreciate it.
Go on.
You were talking about the meeting thing.
Yeah, we just had our first session, so I'm not entirely sure what it entails, but I know there's a section on handling conflict.
And it also talks about sexual stuff and how you're supposed to approach that.
So we.
How are you supposed to approach sexual stuff?
So we are not having sex until we're married.
And that's the decision that we both made like early on in our relationship.
We want to do what God says is right in a marriage.
And we feel like sexual activity and that kind of pleasure and like the hedonism aspect of that is something to be earned from having like a good relationship and growing together.
Got it.
Wait, so are you both virgins?
No.
But you guys have not with each other, haven't had any sexual intercourse.
That's correct.
Okay.
And so, okay, cool.
I feel like I had a follow-up question.
So, okay.
Why the shift is my question.
So neither of you are virgins.
Why go from having had sex previously to now we want to wait all the way until marriage?
Well, before him and I started dating, so we were friends for a couple years.
Before we started dating, he actually decided like autonomously that he wanted to do a nine-month period of celibacy himself.
So this was before like my influence.
He chose to do that.
And I was also going through a similar thing.
And when we started dating, like right off the bat, I just told him, like, you know, I want to wait.
Like, that's just what I prefer.
And then as we grew in our relationship with God, we made like more strict decisions about what we were going to do.
So it was a process.
All right.
Got it.
Are you guys engaged?
Not yet.
Not yet.
Okay.
What about you?
Go ahead.
I'm in a relationship.
How long have you guys been dating?
Like a month.
One month?
Yeah.
What's your longest relationship?
Like two and a half years.
Two and a half years.
When did that end?
Like four months ago.
So you were single for about three months?
Yeah.
Okay.
So you're currently, how did you guys meet your current situation?
Um, we met at a party.
Party?
How long did y'all talk before y'all got in a relationship?
Like a month.
So you've known him for two months total?
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Who he approached you?
You approached him?
He approached me.
What was his, what did he say?
He's like, sup.
Yeah, exactly.
Is that a frat party?
Yeah.
Is he a frat boy?
Yes.
Called it.
Okay.
Which frat, Sigap?
Ah, I can't say.
Okay, that's fine.
Was it a foam cannon party?
A what?
Foam.
Foam cannon.
It was a rodeo.
A rodeo theme.
Yeah, something like that.
So you came dressed as a cowgirl and he just saw you and got to talk to that cow girl.
Yep.
Oh, God, that was.
Sorry, that was a bad guy.
Okay, so, my God, it's pulling teeth tonight.
Okay.
Okay.
He approached you.
Uh-oh.
Yeah, he approached me and he called me like really pretty and we just kind of talked and then we realized we were both from San Diego.
We went to the same high school, worked at the same job, just like didn't even realize.
Okay.
Lives like six minutes away from me from home.
Just like perfect match.
Did you guys have a one-night stand?
Well, not a one-night stand, but like did it go down that night?
No.
No?
The night after?
What?
The night after?
No, it did not happen that night.
Okay.
What about you?
So I've been completely single for like two years, but I've been dating since then, but now my ex is trying to come back into my life, but I don't like him.
I don't even want him.
Single for you said single for two years?
Yeah.
Longest relationship?
It was five years.
I was like 15 to 20.
Any kids?
One.
One kid?
Yeah.
Is the guy who's trying to come back, is that your.
No.
Okay.
Alright.
What about you?
I'm single.
My longest relationship was two years and a month.
How long have you been single?
Uh for a year and two months.
One year, two.
How many days?
How many days?
Yeah, you said one year, two months, how many days?
Hours, minutes, two.
Seems like you're keeping track of when the breakup occurred.
Who dumped who?
I dumped him.
Of course.
Yeah.
Why?
Um, he just wasn't changing the things I asked him to change.
Oh.
What?
And what are those?
Um, he, oh gosh, that was so long ago, I feel like.
Um, he just wasn't really prioritizing the relationship.
He was more prioritizing other things.
Not that like you have to prioritize me specifically, like constantly, but it was kind of just like he was putting me in the dark all the time.
So I just like had to respect myself and couldn't take it anymore.
But you said you asked him to make certain changes, and he wasn't, he didn't make those changes.
So what, was it just the example that you provided?
Were there other things?
It was mainly just like he wasn't prioritizing.
Prioritizing you?
How often would you guys hang out?
Like once or twice a week, depending on the season.
Because he played basketball.
How tall was he?
Like five ten.
This was definitely high school basketball.
Well, of course.
Okay.
Wait, so depending on this.
Yeah, go ahead.
So, excuse me.
You said he was prioritizing other things.
What were the things he's prioritizing?
Like his friends?
Yeah, well, he was also like, to be honest, he was kind of lazy.
He just like, red flag, like we'd make plans and then he would just be like, I'm really tired.
I just want to lay in bed.
So basically.
What are you tired of?
He was playing junior varsity basketball.
I mean, cut the guy.
It wasn't even tired.
Cut him some slack.
He was tired after practice.
But also, like, I'm an extrovert.
He was an introvert.
We just didn't match.
Word.
okay so you guys only so it's pretty much what You guys just weren't hanging out enough?
It wasn't even just that.
I just think that over the span of two years, after constantly asking him to change certain things, I just kind of got to do it.
Change what?
Change what, though?
Just like him prioritizing the relationship.
But you said plural change things.
Besides that, change what?
I mean...
Specifically.
I'm like trying to think.
I'm like blanking.
mentioned lazy yeah he was just like attractive yeah like i would i would ask him to like go for like go somewhere to like do something and he would just be like oh i just want to lay in bed or Or like, for example, he liked the Dodgers.
I took him to Dodger games, and he never did any of that for me.
Like, went to Disneyland for my birthday.
My mom paid for my ticket.
He didn't pay anything.
Not that you have to pay, but I mean, it's like 50-50, right?
And it was more 80-20, I'd say.
Okay.
Is it possible?
Was he loyal to you?
Um.
That's so funny you say that.
Yeah.
For as much as I know.
I mean, I have my own reservations on things, but that's what he says.
Is it possible you were the side chick?
I definitely don't think so.
He for sure was definitely like in love with me.
Don't get me wrong.
He was a good boyfriend.
He just definitely got too comfortable, I think.
Too comfortable.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
Happily married.
For how long?
Six months.
Six months?
But we've been dating for like six years.
Six years, six months.
Kids?
Nope.
Planning to?
Yep.
How many?
Don't know.
Don't know?
Okay.
Q, what about you, man?
Single, doing me.
Whatever I want whenever I feel like it.
That's right.
Alright, cool.
So we're going to get into our first.
actually you know what before we pull up maddie's viral no let's do maddie's viral clip thing first Alright, Maddie.
The clip.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah, what are you doing?
It's an accident.
Oh, thank you.
You always see an accident from the girls.
It's an accident from the girls.
Are you cleaning up the dog?
Yeah.
This is fucking ridiculous.
Don't come to my gym.
Don't fucking give me some.
Uh, so So, first off, a couple questions there.
I noticed something.
Your phone screen was cracked.
But I have.
Okay.
The kick, the supposed kick, right?
It looked pretty like a gentle kick.
Not a kick that would sufficiently crack a phone screen.
So was your screen already cracked?
Yes.
So you, but you kind of framed it, you gave it the spin where like he cracked the screen, but it was already damaged.
My screen was already cracked and it got one more crack.
From the slight kick.
Okay.
Not saying, look, it's not appropriate for him to kick you.
To kick your property.
That's never appropriate.
But that's one thing that caught my eye.
So you're doing that in the gym.
Yeah.
Okay.
And that sh- you posted that.
It went viral.
Well, tell us a bit about the backlash.
Okay.
Any backlash, any praise?
Okay, first, we need to go back like two years because we go back.
Totally, totally related.
No, I swear we're going to get there.
Okay.
Because this, like, well, hopefully.
Oh, my God.
That mic came out nowhere.
Holy fuck.
If you think it's like right or wrong, like you need to know like where the exercise came from.
Yeah, yeah.
Right?
Definitely.
So two years ago, my friend Super Into Fitness, I watch all of her stories.
She posts all this stuff.
She posted that exercise without the bouncing and said that if you can do this for a minute, it's linked to longevity.
Did I look any further into it?
No.
But did I start doing it like every day when I went to the gym?
Yes.
Okay.
As a stretch.
Okay.
And then I was working out like probably a year ago and I was filming just for vlogging and then I realized that it looked kind of sexual.
And so I started adding like a bounce to it.
Okay.
And I started filming it for reels.
But it still was a part of my warm-up.
And I had just, you know, added it for that.
So that's where the exercise came from.
I still do it like three times a week.
It doesn't matter.
Yeah.
At that same gym or have you?
No, I moved to Equinox.
Oh, you moved?
Okay.
Do people recognize you when you're doing that exercise?
Yeah.
Wait, I have a question though.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
Was it staged?
No.
You sure?
Yes. Okay.
All right.
Oh, why are you looking at me now?
What the fuck?
I thought you were having a staring contest.
Yeah, but the sound, the sound thing ended.
It kind of put me in a trance.
Tranced out.
So it wasn't, it wasn't, you know, people would be staging shit for, you know, it's not, you know.
Yeah.
Not staged.
No, I do understand.
Wasn't the guy who just dumped you?
No.
Oh, dude.
Sorry.
Oh, sorry.
Just flashbacks.
Flashbacks.
No, the guy that I was just with was like six something.
Yeah.
That guy was.
Ryan Holt donated $100.
That clip pissed me off so much.
Fuck that entitled Pos Girl.
Without natural selection, unfortunately, we have to deal with idiots like her.
SMH can't believe you have her on, but I get it.
Views.
Actually, you know what?
Maddie's, here's the thing.
She's been on before, and I actually reached out to you to invite you back before the whole viral thing.
Like, we had scheduled you to be on today's show like two, three weeks ago before it went viral.
So it's kind of just happenstance that she happened to have this wild gym moment in between that.
But not staged.
Not staged.
Because like I just, I don't know, Q, like I'm trying to figure out what.
That's not sound true.
Sorry, go ahead.
I'm trying to figure out why the fuck did you add the bouncing?
Why did I add the bouncing?
Yeah.
Okay, because when I post it on reels, it looks like I'm like riding a dick.
And so I always put that clip with a caption that says, wondering when I'm going to be recognized from my leg day warm-up or from my videos based off my leg day warm-up.
On YouTube.
Does that mean you're not going to be able to do it?
I'm sorry to the world.
I'm sorry for her.
I'll pray for her.
Initially, I thought you said it looks sexual, so you added the bounce.
Wait, I'm confused.
You added the bouncing because people thought it was already sexual, so you just fit into it?
I started doing it like a long time ago.
It always had the bounce when I was filming it.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
I thought you said you added the bouncing.
When I filmed it.
Like, anytime I filmed it, it's been the same thing.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
So it was to elicit sex.
Yeah.
Okay.
I mean, it's also good for you.
But sex is good for you.
Yeah.
So it's, you know, deep pulling.
So you do OF.
Was it helpful in terms of procuring subscribers?
That the whole viral.
Okay.
So I had like 281,000 followers on Instagram.
Yeah.
And then after everything, it went to 285.
But on average a day, I gain like 500 followers when I'm not like my videos are just doing normal.
Yeah.
So it gave me like a little boost.
And then the money that I made for the day for like four days doubled.
Okay.
Well, so I'm going to open, and we have a video from Joey Swole that I'll pull up after I get the panel's opinions on that.
You all saw the video.
So your guys' reaction, do you think, is that an actual exercise?
Do you think it's appropriate to be doing in the gym?
Do you think it's a bit sexual?
You know, because like if you saw a guy like doing like hip thrusts, you know, you might be like, eh, it's a little, I don't know if it's, you know, appropriate for a gym.
Okay, but before on Valentine's Day, there were all of these reels going viral and it was men doing hip thrust, rolling out, but they were just humping the floor and then doing this with a weight.
That's all sexual.
They're all doing sexual things in the gym, but every single one of those videos got praise.
What is the exercise they're doing?
Like they put like weights on the thing and they're like.
Wow, that's.
Yeah.
And like that, okay, maybe you see someone doing that, like whatever, but like humping the floor in a gym.
Like I wasn't humping the floor.
Okay.
I was riding it.
There you go.
All right.
Going around the table.
Your reaction, your thoughts.
I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
Of course.
Okay, also, sorry.
I'm in full sweats, making no noises, no tripod.
Hold on.
But you're doing, you did like the like lip in the side of the mouth.
People make all kinds of faces when they work out.
Here, pull it up again.
Pull it up again.
You're doing like a face, like the, you know, the I'm facing a wall, though.
Yeah, go ahead.
You can mute the audio.
We don't need now.
Oh, wait.
Can you s start it from the beginning, maybe?
It's like right at the beginning.
Yeah.
We don't need.
Look at that.
The tongue in the cheek.
There's something in my throat.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
Anyways.
So nothing wrong.
What are your thoughts?
Appropriate, inappropriate?
I think based on like the environment you grow up in, certain things you do, like one person would feel comfortable with, someone else wouldn't feel comfortable with.
I don't think I would feel comfortable doing that.
But if you feel comfortable, then, you know, that's that.
Okay.
I kind of agree with what you're saying.
Kind of just it depends on.
I also like feel like it depends on like the location of it too.
Like if you, if there was an option to go into like a smaller room, like a private room and do it, like maybe that would be more appropriate than doing it out in the open.
But I also don't think there's like a huge problem with doing it out in the open.
So usually I do do it in like the rooms in the gym.
See, that makes sense then.
Yeah.
And like at this gym, I went into the smallest corner, like on the stretching mats in like the corner corner of the gym.
Yeah.
Like I try to be respectful.
I mean, I like it.
I do.
Like would I do it in a gym?
Probably not.
I like it.
I personally don't see an issue with it.
I mean, like, you do you.
Like, thanks, girl.
Okay, so I'm an actual trainer.
So great mobility.
Thank you.
Good ankle mobility.
Good knee mobility.
Now, if you were in my gym, I probably would say something too.
Not like that, and I definitely wouldn't kick your phone.
But it definitely does give like a sexual message for sure, which I'm sure that's what you were trying to do, anyways.
But when there's like a public gym, like you don't know, like a lot of women feel insecure about their boyfriends or whatever going to the gym because they might see something like that, right?
So, I mean, in terms of like it being in a public place, I don't entirely agree, but I don't entirely disagree either.
I'm more impressed with your form.
Looks really good.
Thank you.
Looks really good.
So that would say I don't think it's my problem that other people's boyfriends can't keep their eyes anywhere else in the gym.
Yeah, girls.
Yeah, I mean, so, I mean, that's not for me, but definitely for a lot of people.
Also, hip thrusts, men can do hip thrusts.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, by the way.
It's good.
Actually, the creator of hip thrusts is a guy.
It's attention 304 behavior.
304.
Tension 304 behavior.
Of course, the women are going to support it because girl power, female empowerment.
But you know you're eliciting a sexual response.
That's the whole motivation behind why you're doing it.
And we understand that men are visual creatures.
So when you get in a setting around men and you do things like this, that's why the guy came to you and said, this is not going to be done in my gym.
Because he understood the underlying motive and what you were doing.
And he didn't like it because too many women nowadays who are doing that, trying to elicit sexual responses for attention to make money on social media.
And it's just that simple.
I mean, if that's what you want to do, that's what you want to do.
As you can see, he didn't like it.
Yeah, but I wasn't harming anyone.
It doesn't matter.
It's not about harm.
It's about what you're doing, what you're eliciting, what you're evoking.
That's all it is.
So to play innocent, as you said in the caption, what'd you say in the caption?
What did she say in the caption?
She was like, I can't work out in peace or something.
What'd you say?
In a caption?
What'd you put in the caption?
I can't believe I'm not allowed to do it.
Here, Maddie, why don't you read it?
I can't believe I'm not allowed to stretch at the gym because of what I do for work.
Do you guys actually think this was called for?
Someone please have my back.
Yeah, see, it's the innocence.
It's the position of innocence that you took.
Like, oh my god, I'm just stretching.
I'm just knew what you were doing.
Dog, in the corner of a gym, in the corner of a gym facing a wall, you are going to come up to someone doing an actual exercise that a personal trainer has labeled as an actual exercise that's good for my ankles and knees.
I mean, that's good.
It's good for your ankles.
Like, are you going to come after the yoga girls next?
Like, damn, she's in downward dog.
Fuck her.
Yoga is a little different.
Is it?
It's a form of exercise.
It is a form of exercise, but you're not actively trying to elicit a sexual response.
You've already stated that that's what you were trying to do.
Overtly, you've stated that.
So once you've stated that's what you were trying to do, that now becomes valid.
That's what you were doing.
Yeah, but it also is a stretch.
Like, you're saying I solely was trying to elicit a sexual response.
Yes.
But that's not true because I do that when I'm not filming.
I do that same exercise.
You're trying to use the stretch of a Trojan horse.
It's an exercise.
It's actually not a stretch.
It's an exercise.
But if you hold it, it's a stretch.
If you just hold it, which I do both.
I'm going to read this one really quick.
Grid one motorsports.
Fuck's sake.
If you want to be a stripper, just get a job as a stripper.
This 304 is the lowest form of blank.
Stop it, get some help.
The patriarchy is here to help you be better from grid one.
You have anything you want to say to grid one?
The little grid one?
If you want to be a stripper, just get a job as a stripper.
I don't want to be a stripper.
I want to be an online 304 because that's what I chose to do.
I've been a stripper.
She chose.
I chose this.
The 304 life.
304 life, yeah.
You?
You didn't?
I think he's meant for it.
What's that?
Destiny?
Framing of it.
The streets.
Oh, I didn't choose.
The streets?
Chose me, but I chose the.
How's that go?
Anybody?
You know that?
I didn't choose the streets.
The streets chose me.
Yeah.
That thing.
I would like to defend you for a second.
I don't think like you being completely comfortable with doing that.
I don't think that that's necessarily your fault because there is some accountability on the gym and the higher-ups and just society in general to not normalize that kind of behavior.
You know, so if someone is not saying that it's bad and you don't even know that it's bad, like we're just accepting that and we're condoning it and we're enabling it.
That's true.
You got anything more?
I know you wanted to add more cue.
You got.
I actually lost my training.
That's it.
When you came, and I lost my training.
But if somebody comes back, let me know.
Came up to me and said, hi, this makes me a little bit uncomfortable.
Like, I would be like, oh my god, I'm so sorry.
I was like, you know what I mean?
And also, to the point of like what we've normalized and stuff and like what's okay in a gym and what's not, there's no rules against filming.
There should be, though.
Okay.
I think filming should be banned in gyms.
In some gyms, yeah.
I agree that there should be some that you can go to and there's no phones, like no filming in that gym.
And you just know that that's the gym that you go to and other ones they do allow it and so other people can go to that one.
I don't see why gyms aren't.
Anybody here currently go to a gym?
Is there any sort of filming policies for any of the gyms that you guys go to?
It's shocking to me that Jim's just having wholesale banned filming in gyms.
Do you guys see that often when you do go to the gym?
Somebody has their iPhone propped up, tripod even.
You guys see that at all?
No, not really.
They banned it.
Is it just fucking LA that this shit is going down, happening in?
Just making it.
Fucking people filming in gyms.
Tripods are banned.
Tripods are banned.
In the gym that I go to currently.
Okay.
Pull up the Instagram again.
I want to read some of the comments.
Let's see what the people, the people are saying.
Okay, no one should have your back.
Put us on the other side.
No one should have your back on this one.
Yeah, people don't want to see you making sexual content in public.
You got a follow just because of how that a-hole treated you.
And again, look, assuming it wasn't fucking staged, absolutely not appropriate for him to have touched your property like that.
That's not cool.
And he definitely stepped you in a pretty aggressive way.
That's not cool too.
Even if he had an issue, he could have approached you more diplomatically.
I mean, I would even argue it's probably like he probably shouldn't even honestly.
I mean, I don't know.
If he has an issue, maybe he's got to go to gym management.
If he feels like he has a valid concern, because I don't think what honestly, like, look, there's definitely a lot of people doing like ridiculous shit in the gym.
People are getting fed up with it.
That guy was probably frustrated.
But probably best to address it with the gym management directly.
So, yeah.
But I don't know if you were like, if you're doing something more egregious, I don't know, like fucking damaging the gym in some way, then he could come up to you and be like, yo, what the fuck are you doing?
But I don't know.
Was that actually his gym?
Or was it a game?
No, I think it's probably a little bit more than that.
I'll say that it comes with Jim.
You deserve it.
He's right.
That's a real man.
I totally agree with him.
Okay, these guys are a little more.
Someone, please have my back.
I'm a victim.
He'll blame you.
And she'll blame all her mental health issues on others.
I have a question.
I mean, I haven't done a deep dive on all of your TikToks and reels and whatnot.
Do you frequently find yourself in kind of public conflict situations?
In public?
Like, does this happen to you?
Like, you just get into situations like this with people?
In real life?
Yeah.
Is that not real life?
And I'm like, in video game or no?
Okay.
Honestly, no.
Like, I've never had anyone that has met me.
Okay, besides guys that I've dated, but not just like people that I'm interacting with in a grocery store or this or that.
All right.
Well, let's pull it back up really quick.
There's a few more comments, then we'll see what Joey Swole has to say.
Deserved coffee, tea.
I'm good.
Don't do your 3FO shit in public place.
How come people don't see this as fake?
You're literally smiling the whole time.
See, I thought it was fake, dude.
Okay.
I thought it was fake.
The thing is, when like a man comes at you kind of aggressively as a woman, like you don't really have a choice but to be submissive.
Like what am I going to do?
Like argue with him when he already got to a form of aggression of like hitting my personal property.
It's just, here's why I think, look, it might be real.
Here's why I think it's staged.
It just seems so his kicking your phone is really disproportionate to what you're doing.
So it just seems like contrived.
And then your reaction to it kind of like if somebody like kicked my phone, I'd be like, I don't know, people react in different ways, but you don't.
You don't say she doesn't seem confrontational.
Well, I'm not confronted.
Yeah, she doesn't.
She doesn't seem confrontational, so.
I was like, dude, I don't know.
I think she might.
I don't know.
Were you scared?
I was scared.
I was like shaking after.
I just grabbed my stuff, and I don't know.
I'm going home.
This boy sucks.
No.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
Let's get the Joey.
Oh, actually, we have a couple chats.
Hold on.
Get the Joey Swole ready, though.
We had Dostoevsky.
Can you read this one, Maddie?
Of course, she was right.
It's a public gym.
And why the hell would a dude be there just approaching a woman out of nowhere and make some inflammatory remark while she's working out?
And then, oh, wait.
Okay.
We have this one.
You don't film in gyms.
And then this guy says, if the gym is public, then yeah, you have every right to film.
Anyways, we have Joey Swole here.
He has some thoughts on it.
All right, go ahead and play it.
Hold on, Gong, hold on.
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We get it, you need to be a who to drive traffic.
I weep for our youth.
May God have mercy on you.
May God have mercy on you.
Thank you.
I don't think that's a true, like, religious person thing to say, though.
Because, like, in the Bible, God always says, you know, don't be harsh on them, for they know not what they do.
And if there is an element of naivety.
Wait, is that verbatim?
I thought that doesn't sound verbatim to me.
I'm not condemning.
We're not.
Yeah, we're not.
I know this one.
Wait, isn't it like for the know not what they do?
Or hold on.
Chat, help me out here.
Okay.
Let's play it.
Thank you, Grid One.
Let's play the Joey Swole video.
so actually yes but actually are you swinging at me?
dog don't come to my gym Don't fucking do this on my own.
Oh no.
A ton of people sent me this video asking me who's right, who's wrong.
My answer: they're both wrong.
First off, to this man, you have no right to speak to anyone that way.
You don't classify all women based off that girl.
And you absolutely never touch someone's property.
If you have a problem, you talk to gym management and you let them handle it.
But this woman is also wrong.
The type of content she creates in the gym is not okay and not appropriate, including this video.
She tries to defend herself saying that she's doing pistol squats and warming up.
This is not a pistol squat.
You know exactly what you were doing.
And then you go and say, why do we have to sexualize everything?
We don't.
But you do, including when you did the exact same warm-up and said this on the video with captioning practicing every day to please you, daddy.
And a photo like this bent over on all fours where you say, let me sit on it.
Now listen, I have no problem with OnlyFans.
You make money however you want as long as you do so legally, but there is a time in place for everything.
And the gym is not one of them.
If I was manager or owner of this gym, I would ask you once, politely, to stop doing that.
If you continued to do so, I'd ask you to leave to protect my gym members and my gym community.
Let me know what you guys think below.
Your reaction to Joey Swole.
Oh, did you see the reaction video?
Oh, you made a reaction video.
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Well, you're here in the flesh.
Why don't we just have you?
I actually didn't watch his whole video through where he pulled up.
You made a reaction video without all the facts.
I just, when he said, like, you knew exactly what you were doing, I stitched it and I actually said, yeah, I was practicing to please you, Daddy, which is funny because I didn't know that.
He was practicing what?
To please you, Daddy.
Oh, so you admit you were doing it for.
Oh, I'm just trolling trolls at this point.
Like, I'm getting ripped apart on the internet.
Like, it might as well be funny.
Oh, okay.
All right.
But I didn't see where he pulled up my photos and screenshots of him.
He had receipts.
But, like, those pictures of me in the gym is in an empty room.
Like, I took those photos in an empty room.
So, like, I don't really see why that would be an issue in a gym.
But it's sort of like, I'm trying to think what the exact wording is.
There's, it's sort of like additional circumstantial evidence against your case.
Like, okay, here.
Here's her taking these.
She's got the subtitles or whatever.
What's it called?
I don't know.
You put a caption saying sexual things.
So there's like a pattern of behavior.
I think that's what I was looking for.
A pattern of behavior of you going into gyms, taking sort of provocative photos with captions that are sexually provocative.
And then all of a sudden you're going to claim, oh, but this one, that's innocent.
So it's a pattern of behavior.
I'm arguing that it is a stretch.
And I'm arguing that it's for both.
Do you know what I'm saying?
It's like, I do it all the time at the gym.
I've never had a problem.
No one's ever even looked at me when I do it.
Okay.
I go into a corner of the gym, film my little thing.
It's a whole warm-up.
Like, that takes not very long.
You know what I mean?
So, like, to like just focus on this one thing at the gym ever.
Like, I saw a video of this guy doing those like bent over, what are they called?
Where you like stand wide and then you just bend over the mornings?
Affordable mornings.
When you like hinge your hips back and stretch.
Yeah.
He was doing, you know, he's doing those in the gym.
Yeah, that's a workout.
I love those.
They're great.
Good, good.
What do you want to say?
Look directly into this camera here, and I want you to give a message to Joey Swole.
What do you have to say to Joey Swole?
To Joey Swole?
Hey, wait, Joey, you can come down now.
He's up there.
No, I'm kidding.
What do you have to say to him?
Oh, wait.
Look deep into this camera.
Deep into the camera?
What do you want to say to Joey?
I want you to apologize to Joey.
Apologize?
Joey?
I plead innocent.
Oh, he pleaded.
Okay.
All right.
He's going to further prosecute you.
I don't think I did anything wrong.
Stop sending your army out to get me in my comments.
They're not nice.
You're saying he's trying to cancel you?
No, I'm saying like.
My comments got flooded with like Joey Swole's armies here.
Okay.
They ripped me apart.
Yeah, they.
I agree with him.
Joey Swole, he's got some.
Fair.
Yeah.
Wait, okay.
Yo, we should get Joey Swole on the show and like have you guys do.
Lives or he goes to the gym down the street from me, yeah.
He's in SoCal.
All right, we'll set it up.
Yeah, I should just get him on the show, period.
Joey, all right, we're gonna make it happen.
Okay, um, I think that's pretty much it.
Unless anybody else on the panel has any further thoughts, agree with Joey Swole.
How about we'll go around the table?
Agree or disagree with Joey Swoll disagree.
Um, disagree, but also you can like go to the gym and like do your own like workout and like whatever that you need to do and also be sexual with it.
Like, there doesn't have to be like one purpose.
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Jesus said on the cross, forgive them, Father.
They know not what they do, but she, D.I.D. know what she was doing and will go to hell for her sins as remorseless as she is for those are the wages of sin.
Wow, look at that.
You're going, you're going to hell for your little gym pulse squat video.
You're going to get up to those pearly gates and they're going to be like, and be like, you were on the fence, but because you did that, sorry, straight to hell.
Yep.
Brutal.
But you can repent of your treacherous misdeeds.
Treacherous.
Okay.
Go ahead.
You're finishing your point.
I was just saying that, like, there doesn't need to be just one purpose of you going to the gym.
Oh, we got another one.
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Forgive them, for they know not what they do.
It is finished.
Father, into your hands I commend my spirit were the last words Jesus spoke before he died on the cross.
Also, 1 Corinthians verse 18.
Hey, Wiley Coyote, thank you for the TTS, man.
Appreciate it.
Thank you guys for getting us the actual quote.
Oh.
If I ever stare at you, that typically means I'm waiting for you to talk.
Go ahead.
But, like, she can work out and then also post for her OnlyFans and get the bag.
But, like, that doesn't mean she's going there for OnlyFans.
That means she's going to the gym and it's like a side note.
Okay.
Can you read this one, Maddie?
If it's not about being a 304, what is it then?
It's blank with more steps.
You are a fucking clown.
You're a fucking clown.
Do you want to receive?
He's shooting shots.
You got to respond, Maddie.
Okay.
The thing is, is like anyone that openly hates on strangers, like you don't fucking know me.
And you're like saying nasty things to me and you think that you're better than me.
Like I think you're a bad person.
So I don't really care what a nasty, mean person would have to say about me.
Yeah, guys, you guys don't know her.
You haven't seen her underwater photography, her underwater videography.
Okay, so you're saying it's cool.
You're saying like it's okay to go to the gym and make OnlyFans content?
Yeah.
Because you're like, she's not going there to make content, but she's there, so why not post a story while there?
But like, so it sounds like you're saying that if a girl wanted to go to the gym and do kind of like a semi-sexy video that she was going to later distribute on OF, no issue there?
Okay.
You think that?
No, Hold on.
This is for her.
Go ahead.
Could you re-ask the question?
Well, you said that, you know, even if there is this ulterior purpose, like it's okay to post it on OnlyFans.
So is it your view that it's let's say you went into one of these, you know, the clap, one of the classes, classrooms that they have at gyms where it's like wood floors or whatever, where they'll do Pilates yoga.
And somebody goes in there when there's not a class, for example, and they're just, I don't know, doing some semi, not nudity, but like semi-sexual stuff with the explicit purpose of posting it to OF.
My understanding is based off of what you said, you're that's cool.
You're fine with that.
Condoning it.
You support it.
Oops, sorry, I did not mean to.
Huh?
Whoops.
Oh, that was weird.
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You can't make this shit up long.
Such a stereotypical red flag tat.
Also, a salute to the soldier.
Oh, he's saluting.
Thank you.
Yo, Ryan Holt, thank you, man.
Do you want to say anything about the, he called out your butterfly tattoo?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've had these for years before they ever started trending.
Okay.
And.
Can you show it?
Oh, oh, wait.
Yeah, there you go.
Okay.
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What about the butterfly tattoos?
Oh, I've just had them forever.
I don't care if things like trend and come out and this and that.
It's just, you know.
I feel bad for the girls who had the sternum tattoos before they were cool.
And then everybody got them because they're basically, I mean, I was never a fan of, no offense to any girls here who might have that tattoo.
I was never really a fan of them to begin with.
But I hated them from the get-go.
So I'm a trendsetter in that regard.
But they're kind of the tramp stamp of the 2010s.
They started getting popular around like 2015, maybe?
What?
Okay.
Yeah.
I'm not a fan of the modern tramp stamp, the sternum tattoo.
Yeah, I don't know.
Red flag.
Huge red flag.
Anybody here got one?
Who's got a sternum tattoo?
Don't be shy.
Anybody?
It's going to be a long show, boys.
All right.
Back to her.
No.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, so you were saying that you think it's okay.
Why do you think that's okay?
Like Joey Swoe was saying, he doesn't think that's the appropriate place to do it.
He has no issue with OnlyFans girls making their content, doing whatever they want to do to make money.
So why is it okay for her to do that in a public gym?
Why do you support that?
I can't wait.
I'm saying that it's okay to take a story or take a video, like a TikTok.
Because it's a TikTok.
I'm not selling it on OnlyFans.
I think you're kind of walking back your previous stated position.
Like you previously, I don't remember it verbatim, but it was pretty clear, like from what you said, that you said it's okay if you're doing something for OF at the gym, you know, if it's sexual, whatever.
Okay, what I'm saying is, let's say I'm going to the gym.
If I go to the gym and I want to post a story so it has benefits for my OnlyFans also, then I don't see a problem in that.
But that in itself is the problem.
Why is the gym the place to do that?
Why are you using the gym to promote your OnlyFans?
Do you guys also have a problem with girls that work out in sports bras and spandex?
I got a problem with girls who work out and you and use it as a Trojan horse to sell sex, period.
Because you know what you're doing.
It's not about the workout itself.
Of course, you can say, yes, I'm working out, but the reality is, as I said, you're doing it for attention.
It's not for the genuine workout.
Because if you were really working out to work out, you don't need to record yourself doing it.
I mean, I work out to work out, and I also use it for my job.
Like, it doesn't have to just be one thing.
That was what I was trying to say.
I do think that there's probably, just to answer your question directly, I do think that there's probably appropriate gym attire.
And I think, you know, there's a decent amount of leeway as far as what I would deem is acceptable to wear in a gym.
I mean, the most obvious example, I think this got a bit of attention recently.
I don't know if we're able to, if Nick's able to find it.
There's a girl basically wearing like her ass was essentially hanging out of her.
It was almost like approaching a bikini.
And I, would you agree that wearing a bikini at the gym doing a workout would be inappropriate to wear?
Honestly, yeah.
I think like spandex, because that's not meant for working out.
Well, not no, but let's say it was the appropriate fabric.
No, I mean, but it was in the same thing, same shape as essentially a bikini.
saying like booty shorts sports bra meant for working out that's gym attire right so that's so booty shorts where like the ass cheeks are hanging out is why do they have to hang out Do all these girls just have bad asses?
Fuck.
No, but it occurs to me that that might be a bit maybe a bit much.
A bikini is meant for swimming.
You know what I mean?
Right, but I'm saying like an outfit that approached the amount of revealingness.
That's not the fucking word.
That was close to as revealing as a bikini.
Would that be appropriate to wear at the gym?
Can I see it?
Nick, have you found, were you able to find anything?
It's kind of tough to find.
It doesn't matter.
I don't want to linger way too small.
I don't want to linger too long on this.
So just your reaction to Joey Swool.
I agree with Joey Swool.
And I think what we're discussing here and why we're going back and forth is we're talking more about what is sacred.
Like one person views sexuality as sacred and another one doesn't view it as sacred.
So I think that's what we're debating.
And I agree with what Joey, Joey says.
I think it's not appropriate in a public setting.
Okay.
Going around the table, just you, you, you, you, and you.
I kind of agree with both sides.
Like I'm kind of neutral.
I think they both make very valid points.
I would agree with, what's the name, Joey?
Joey.
Joey.
I would agree with Joey.
Joey, just because it's in a public setting.
I'm neutral too.
I just feel like the gym is like, like, I feel like personally, when I get in there, like, it's my place.
Like, I don't really want to talk to anyone else.
Like, don't no one talk to me.
So, like, I don't know.
I think both points are very valid.
Yeah, I do agree with Joey.
I mean, I think that kind of stuff, I think it should be like more in a private setting.
I think in like a public place.
Now, I do want to say, though, not everybody would even know that what you were doing was sexual at all.
They could just be thinking you're squatting, right?
But because you had someone viewed it as sexual.
Yeah.
If somebody like saw the video, then they would know what you're doing by your facial expressions and the angle.
But you can see, like, I made a face for how many seconds, and the rest of the time, my face is normal.
So, like, why are you going to sexualize a whole exercise based off like two seconds?
Yeah.
I think maybe because a guy like saw your phone there.
Yeah.
And then maybe was like, oh, she's making content.
I'm tired of seeing this kind of stuff.
And then he figured out that it was sexual.
Yeah.
I would have to agree.
Sorry, what was your name?
Megan.
Megan.
I have to agree with you.
That's my sister's name.
Anyway, I'd have to agree with you.
I think for me, sex is very sacred.
And I think like bringing it into a gym is just not the time and place.
I think that should be in the bedroom only.
Doc Venabili has donated $100.
My teenage kids go to the gym with me.
If you behave like that in front of them, I will actively work to get you banned from our gym.
Public modesty is important for a healthy society.
You couldn't get me banned from your gym for stretching.
So try again.
What did I miss?
Have you guys just been sitting here in silence since I left?
No, it wasn't.
We were all talking.
I was saying I agree.
She's neutral.
Okay.
Well, moving on, we do have a chat here from our good friend Peter Stynes.
Costines donated $107.
Ladies and men, I have 14 and 12-year-old daughters.
What is the best information or advice you can provide a 50-year-old guy who has been out of the market for a long time as it relates to dating?
You got anything on this queue?
Is he single?
Yeah, I think he's out of the dating game.
And he wants to get back to him.
But he says he's, what, 50?
What did he say?
50.
Two kids.
Well, the kids, I don't think, are super related to the question at hand.
Anything Q?
Yeah, I would say for the most part, he ain't missing much in the modern dating era.
It's a lot of chaos amongst women and what they feel they can do and how they feel men need to behave and the lack of accountability and all of those things.
So if he really wants to get back out on the dating market, I would suggest he find somebody more around his age just to settle down who would probably be more likely to have the same values and the same belief set and who wants to grow old together, who's in the same headspace.
Otherwise, he'll die early.
Because of the stress.
Because of the stress that when you come out.
I was like, whoa.
Actually, related to what you said, I read recently something like a 19-year-old woman today, I don't know if it's 19 or 21, a 19-year-old woman today is going to have a higher body count than a woman who's 50.
I saw that.
I don't know if that's the exact age is, but so you've got your average 19-year-old has had more sexual partners than a 50-year-old today.
Yeah, I mean, something like that.
Yeah, honestly, at first, I was skeptical.
Sadia has said it.
Me and Sadia had a little bit of a falling out.
We used to follow each other.
But when I thought about it, I was like, honestly, yes, it's likely possible because, for one, the body count did increase for the average woman in the past 20 years.
The body count has increased.
So, that's true.
And then, the second thing is, a lot of these women, due to feminism, feel a lot more sexually liberated.
They have less shame.
Their moral compasses are not what they used to be.
They're a lot less selective.
Social media makes access to men who will run through them, use them, and abuse them sexually a lot more prevalent.
So, yes, it's honestly a valid point.
It's a valid take.
I do believe that the body count for a 19-year-old today would probably be higher than the body count of a 50-year-old woman.
Speaking of that, I'd like to go around the table on this.
So, I'm not asking you guys yet for your body counts, but of your friend group, like if you had to, because I mean, you know, we have a 30-year-old, a 25-year-old, but we've got 21, 21, 21, 22, 19, and then 18.
She stepped away to go to the bathroom.
Of like your friend group, girls you know, what is what do you think the average body count of your friends is?
Um, a few of my friends have been with their partner since high school, so they bring the average way down, but I would say probably around like 14 at 21.
Yeah, um, they're all older.
Most of my friends are like 29.
Well, I'm talking.
Well, okay, what about you?
First off, do you have girlfriends around your age?
Yeah, okay.
What would you say, like, their body count is probably?
I think, like, around like around 14.
Okay, this is tricky because I feel like I'm like in between friends right now.
Like, I recently went through some things where I had to like let go of people.
So, okay, so tell us, like, your new friends and your degen friends.
Go ahead.
Old friends, probably like eight.
Okay.
I'm guessing.
Yeah.
Okay.
Um.
You live in Isla Vista, right?
Yeah.
UCSB, number one party school, huge party scene in IV.
What you heard?
For like average, I would say maybe like five or six.
Okay.
Actually, I want to add one thing to this question.
What's the highest that you've heard from a girl?
From a girl?
Yeah.
That you know?
Ooh.
Like 40.
40?
Here.
Let's actually come back around, starting again with you on this.
Ooh.
Probably like, honestly, girls, not as high as guys.
Like maybe 30.
That's the highest.
Yeah, and guys, always in the hundreds.
Ran through.
Okay, all right.
What about you?
I think the highest I've heard is 50.
Okay.
Probably like 10.
Okay.
And you said 40.
Like the highest I've ever heard.
From a girl?
Yeah.
That you know, personally?
Not that I'm friends with anymore.
Well, you don't have to be just like acquaintance, whatever.
Yeah.
Okay.
What's the next highest?
You mean the next?
So like the second highest.
Oh, um 20.
20.
Okay.
Um, I haven't been told what's like the highest from my friends.
They haven't told me.
Wait, hold on.
Uh, yeah, they haven't told you?
They haven't told me.
Can I have you tilt your microphone down a little bit?
Yeah.
Maybe a little less.
Yeah.
You don't talk about, you don't talk shop with any of your friends.
No, I do, but she's never told me how many.
You have one singular.
Come on, low.
Well, I've known her since.
Yeah, I've known her since elementary.
But like, what about, okay, you used to work with girls in the club, right?
You used to strip.
Or like you still do?
Y'all know sideboard.
You guys know that.
No, they don't tell me.
They don't tell me.
You don't have anything.
But I'm pretty sure it's a lot.
But they don't.
I'm not really friends with the girls in the clubs.
Yeah.
But like, you guys don't even talk about that sort of stuff.
Not really.
All right.
What about you?
The highest probably is like 20.
20?
Okay.
I had a friend.
Not friends anymore, but she was in the 30s.
Okay.
Q, what about you?
What's the highest body count you've heard from a girl?
From a girl?
Yeah.
Shit.
Probably about 25.
Really?
Yeah.
Probably about 25.
About 20.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Some of their body counts.
Some girls are proud of it.
I'm going to say this.
So I've heard, and this is before I started my show, because I've heard some outrageous body counts on this show.
This was a 19-year-old girl.
Actually, she might have been 18.
She had a body count over 100 at 18.
Oh, poor thing.
Yeah.
And that was on her.
That was on her.
But saying poor thing for her future partners.
Yeah, poor them, right?
Poor the future partners.
Okay, so.
And I'm trying to think.
Because, I mean, I've heard, you know, I'm from Santa Barbara.
So for those watching who aren't familiar with the area, we have UCSB here.
We have Santa Barbara City College.
UCSB is frequently ranked the number one party school in the United States.
We have the Isla Vista area, which is basically a square mile where you have like 20,000, 30,000 students crammed into an area less than the size of a square mile.
Sorry.
And, you know, a bunch of parties, et cetera.
And a lot of drinking, drugs, et cetera.
Some girls be putting up 40 bodies their freshman, their first freshman semester or quarter, depending which school you go to.
So maybe putting up bodies.
So to answer Pico Stein's thing, I think you should move.
I think you should move because there's a lot of inflation, if you know what I mean, in the U.S.
So you got to go to an Asian country.
Actually, I don't know.
Not Latin America.
Definitely not Latin America.
Asia.
Yeah, I think.
Or you could go to the bingo hall here in America.
You know, you said you're 50.
That might be a little outside of your, you know, check out the bingo hall.
There's some lovely grannies over there.
Okay.
All right.
So we're going to.
Oh, actually, before we get into the pre-show notes that some of you guys provided, I like to start things off an hour and 15 minutes into the podcast.
Does anybody here disagree with anything that you've heard or seen on the podcast?
Some of you have maybe seen the podcast before, and I love to, I think a good jumping off point is to hear from anybody who disagrees with anything.
Maybe you've seen a clip from Q here who's gone viral on the internet several times.
So anybody disagree with anything, if you've seen anything?
I do.
Okay, we'll start with you.
Go ahead.
I want to start off by saying I do agree with most of what you say.
Sure, sure.
But I see a contradiction in something that you say.
You mentioned you're not a fan of casual sex.
You don't partake in casual sex.
I think that's great.
But you did also mention in another podcast, I don't remember which one, that you wouldn't mind having sex on the first date.
Yep.
Now, in my view, having sex on the first date would be considered casual sex.
Maybe your definition is depends on the definition, right?
Yeah, so maybe yours is considered a hookup, right?
So you don't plan to follow through.
You don't plan to maybe see that person again.
It's literally just a hookup.
Yeah.
But then some people can hook up multiple times, right?
So then I don't know what that is.
That's a gray area, I suppose.
But I think you do partake in casual sex if you are willing to do it on the first date because you're not in a relationship.
My definition is casual sex means having sex with somebody that you're not in a committed relationship with.
Sure.
Well, first off, I think it's certainly important to define exactly what casual sex is.
It's sort of a vague, nebulous term, and people can define that differently in the same way that, for example, someone might describe, I'm trying to think of a somewhat similar example, promiscuity.
Someone might define promiscuity as, you know, having a new sexual partner every week.
Someone might just define promiscuity as dressing somewhat revealing.
So, and I'm not even sure, and I could be wrong on this, but I typically, my objections really stem from promiscuity.
Is it possible that I replaced promiscuity with casual sex?
So I'm not sure if I've actually ever used the term me being against casual sex, but I'll take your word for it and I'll say I did use it.
Multiple times.
So it's possible that I potentially used it erroneously.
But to so I don't have any objections to people having sex rather early on.
And if that means having sex the first time you're meeting someone, I don't object to that.
Where I perhaps differ on this is that if I have sex with somebody, I want to continue seeing them.
So if I choose to have sex with somebody, I have a genuine interest in continuing to see them with the hope of it developing into a long-term relationship.
So I don't want to have a one-night stand.
I don't want to have sex once or twice and then never see the girl again.
If I have sex with you, I want to keep seeing you.
I want there to be a continuity.
So the only thing that differentiates it is your intention?
I think, yes, it would be intention.
Because, for example, I've gotten feedback from people.
I got a message from somebody who, and I've heard from a couple people who've said this, that their current spouse, their current long-term partner that they've been dating for years, they're married, have kids, tell me, oh, yeah, you know, I had sex the first, we had sex the first time meeting.
So.
Yeah, I don't have any issue with, you know, if you're going to, you know, have sex with somebody on the first date, that's totally your choice.
I think that's giving way too much to them for literally just sitting down and having a meal.
Quick question for you on that.
Who's giving too much to who?
I think the woman is giving way too much to the man.
Now, why is that?
Because we're the gatekeepers of sex.
Okay.
So you don't view sex as an equal value exchange.
You think men are getting, if it, despite both partners getting sex, you view that as the man getting more than the woman.
Yeah, because I think once you have sex with the man, you're, I guess, the chase, the value of that woman gets a little bit depleted.
Because I think once you give it to him, then it's like, okay, now he's experienced it.
What's so, what's so special about you now?
I mean, I mean, obviously.
That's up to the woman.
He can still find something special, but my point is, is like, I think in the Bible, it says woman, we are the gatekeepers of sex, right?
I agree with that, yeah.
So, what I'm saying is, I think the woman is giving too much to the man on the first date because he can just have sex with her and choose to not see her again.
Oh, that was easy.
On to the next.
Yes, that's true.
And look, I'm not saying I need to have sex on the first date.
Grid one motorsports donated $100.
Oh, wow, okay.
My wife of 18 years, and I had sex after that.
Nothing casual about it.
There is a difference between casual sex and promiscuity and being a cum dumpster or village bicycle.
Okay, so grid one motorsports.
Thank you, Grid One.
That's a good point.
Look at this.
Exhibit A, grid one motorsports.
Sex on the first night.
He's married.
He has kids.
He's rich.
I think it worked out for him.
Chad.
It doesn't work out for everybody, though.
Sure, but I think you can have.
I mean, certainly, look, from the woman's perspective, if you're choosing to have sex with a guy and you know there's no prospects of a long-term relationship, then part of that falls on the woman.
And also, you can kind of, you know, talk to the guy, get a sense of where he's at.
You can have this conversation before you have sex with him.
Now, look, I'm not saying that you need to have sex with a guy on the first date.
And if you want to wait, that's certainly your prerogative.
But for example, like, here's something very simple for women to do to mitigate or reduce the risk, even if you are so inclined to sleep with a guy on the first date, to reduce the risk that he's just trying to hit it.
So, first off, if you're traveling, don't fuck men when you're traveling because, well, obviously, just logistically speaking, if he lives in fucking Germany and you meet in the Netherlands and you're leaving in two weeks, he's leaving tomorrow.
There's no long-term prospects there.
A lot of women be traveling and just fucking dudes.
So, but it's not clear to me if women are going traveling and fucking dudes and having any expectation of there being a long-term relationship.
Don't fuck dude.
Don't go.
Well, okay, let me.
Don't go to bars and clubs, period.
But if you're so inclined, certainly don't sleep with men that you meet out while intoxicated while either he's intoxicated, you're intoxicated, or both.
Any sort of sex that occurs with alcohol involved greatly diminishes the chance that that could lead, not necessarily, it could, you know, you could still end up in a relationship with this guy, but greater likelihood that that's going to be end up being a casual encounter.
So there shouldn't be alcohol involved.
Preferably, you shouldn't meet contextually in a party type environment, bar club, etc.
If he's from out of town, if he's not tied to your geographic region, it's probably not a good idea to just fuck the dude because, you know, it's low likelihood that I think one of the big things to help a relationship proceed is convenience.
If you guys live close, close, I think that makes things a lot easier, romantically speaking.
So wouldn't you say that if you had a first date with you had a first date, you guys had sex, okay?
Yeah.
But then she doesn't see you again.
Wouldn't that just be a spruced up hookup?
But it just included a meal?
That's funny that you'd think I'd get a meal for her.
Wait, what?
Or whatever you guys did.
I don't know.
I'm kidding.
But it had a habit of saying that.
Okay, we fuck, but she doesn't want to see me.
That's an L for her.
That's a major L for her.
She doesn't want to see me again.
Like, I didn't put it downright.
Is that what you're doing?
I agree with you.
Sometimes these girls, like even if you put it down right, they they fur the streets, yeah, but yeah, but I look at it more from a I mean, there's a lot of neurochemistry at play.
I mean, a lot of times we forget how to how the human brain functions.
At the end of the day, it has the ultimate say, it's in control.
So, if you put it down, and she's releasing oxytocin, she's coming back.
She's going to be thinking about yeah, she'll probably come back.
I'm saying most guys, though, I would say like women might be calling back, but the men might just ghost.
But on the same token, women typically don't orgasm from having sex with a guy that they don't know.
The more you get to know a guy, the more you date a guy, the more you got the more time you guys have spent together, the more sex you have, the more likely you are to orgasm, and that creates deeper attachment.
But I wanted to hint on what you said about his intention.
Intention matters because intention is objective.
I can do the same thing.
Normally, it comes down to how attracted I am to the woman.
If I find the woman extremely attractive, whether we have sex on the first night doesn't matter, I'm attracted to her, so I want to continue to see her over and over.
And essentially, that's just going to make me want to be with her, especially if she has a personality that is conducive to a healthy relationship and it aligns with who I am.
So, the common dating pattern is we sleep together before we get in a relationship in most cases because chastity and women being virgins is long gone.
So, a lot of men don't want to wait to have sex with a woman who didn't wait to have sex with the guy before her.
So, you know, it's essentially a trial run.
Do we like each other?
Are our bodies, you know, sexually compatible in a sense?
Like, do I enjoy having sex with you?
Is there something I can gauge from having sex with you?
It's just acting on attraction.
That's basically what it boils down to.
That's all it is.
So, but there's no way you love this woman on the first date.
I mean, that's purely lustful, right?
If you're having sex on the first date, it is.
It is.
It is lustful.
But at the same time, there's no guarantee that you're not going to not see each other again either.
Yeah.
And I think there's everybody should have their own timeline.
My point is, it's like you can go on a million first dates and have sex with every single guy on the first date.
And I think if it also depends on what the guy wants in the woman.
If a guy wants, and a woman, somebody who is a virgin, which I know Brian mentioned, the closer you are to a virgin, the better, right?
I mean, as somebody who would be a virgin, I don't think she would have sex with you on the first date unless you were just like super duper special.
Because more than likely, she's had that opportunity many times and isn't just going to randomly have sex with you on the first date.
She's probably going to wait.
And she's, she, because she values herself and because she knows, okay, if you want to continue to see me, then see me.
I'm going to hold on to sex until we're ready.
Yeah, and that's fine.
Look, and then I certainly realize if she's a virgin, not a born-again virgin, that's a born-again virgin.
Yes, but you know, they can be born again, but it doesn't erase your past.
I'm not, yeah, I certainly probably am not going in with the expectation that a virgin is going to want to have sex on the first date.
You'd probably question if she really is one.
Not, I mean, not, I don't know if I would, I might question, I might question a little bit, but I don't know.
Have I, I don't think I've been with a oh shit, I don't want to reveal that.
Have you ever been with somebody?
She says she's a virgin, but then you look at her and you're like, I don't know.
Based off the conversation, you're like, I think you're lying.
I don't think I've had a girl lie about being a virgin, but that's okay.
I've dated a few.
I'll just say that.
Yeah, typically sex does not occur on the first date in that situation.
Okay.
But it's also not like necessarily a six-month thing either.
Right.
It can happen, let's just say between three to ten dates, typically.
Okay, how about a week and a half?
I'm revealing too many fucking details.
Okay, how about a week and a half?
Week and a half, a week and a half.
My last girlfriend was a virgin, she was 22.
Took her about a week and a half before we had sex.
No pressure from me, but that's how attractive she was to me.
Good for you.
So, wait, it's okay.
Go.
So, Grid One Motorsports donated $100.
Yeah.
This is why it is important to date with intent and not just hook up.
Men and women have gotten far too casual and callous in the dating pool, and that needs to change.
The patriarchy stands ready.
Yo, grid one motorsports, thank you.
And I'm just saying.
I guess, really, to answer your question, though, is for I think your initial question was sort of a definitional one.
Well, how do we define casual sex?
I guess I was trying to get like the actual definition because I think we just have different ones, and I think that's okay.
Yeah.
But that would be that's kind of where I maybe felt a contradiction because you said you didn't believe in casual sex, but yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry.
I think you can sleep with someone relatively quickly, but also not be promiscuous.
So, if you have a good read on the person and you, you yourself, as an individual, for if you're a woman, you want a long-term relationship, you've done a bit of an assessment on the guy.
Okay, is this guy a fuckboy?
Blah, blah, blah.
Look, sometimes you get bamboozled.
Women will get bamboozled.
The guy will say he wants something long-term.
It was all, it was all he was selling you the dream.
It was bullshit.
But if the guy seems genuine with his intentions, and also there's this whole trope of, well, if you sleep with the guy too quick, he's not going to respect you.
And what otherwise would have turned into a long-term monogamous relationship had you waited a bit longer.
Oh, now he just ghosted you after he fucked you once.
No, the reality is that it doesn't occur to me that if you make a guy wait, that's going to guarantee you a long-term relationship with this guy.
And if the guy, let's say you, let's say, okay, same guy, and in two separate universes, right?
In one universe, you sleep with him on the first date.
In another universe, you sleep with him on the third.
In another universe, you sleep with him on the fifth date, whatever.
It's plausible that regardless of which decision you choose, you would ultimately still end up in a long-term relationship with him.
So I can attest to that.
Okay, so I actually did have sex with my now husband.
Oh!
Very early on.
No, no, no, no.
I'm not saying.
I don't think you're against it necessarily.
No, I'm not saying that I'm against it.
I was trying to find the definition.
I'm not saying I was against it.
How early?
But I would say, generally speaking, casual sex is not good, generally speaking.
However, let me make this very clear.
I wouldn't consider it casual sex because we knew each other for a very, very, very long time.
Wait, how soon?
Because you said pretty early on.
The third date.
Yeah, that's fine.
There's nothing wrong with that.
In his car.
Not the ideal.
You didn't ask for that, my bad.
Not the ideal venue.
What there wasn't a bed?
It was hot, Steamy.
In a car?
Yeah.
Mercedes.
Okay, cool.
Move on.
I don't know.
I'm not.
What do you guys think about car sex?
I'm not a fan.
Honestly.
Just give me a bed.
It's sip out the vibe, honestly.
I had car sex like last week, and it was so nice.
So, that was your last angle?
Because I drive a truck, and he didn't have a car.
So, anyways, is this the guy who wait?
It was, yeah.
Your guy doesn't have a car, but for some reason is he like a bike guy, like he bikes places, like saving the environment type shit, which is broken situation.
Okay, bro.
I'm traumatized by car sex because I think I told you what happened last time when I had car sex, how I got stuck.
Oh, you want to tell us a story real quick?
Yeah, um, I'll tell y'all a story.
I had car sex with the girl that I was seeing.
Um, we were at a family event, it was around Christmas time.
She came to Christmas with my family, and she wanted to have sex, but we couldn't have sex because it was a house full of people.
So, she texted me next to me, like, I'm horny.
I was like, Okay, so I had to tell everybody, like, listen, we're about to run to the store.
I'm in South Carolina in the middle of nowhere, so I gotta, I'm in the back country, country roads.
So, I try to find somewhere to pull over.
My dumb ass goes on the dirt road after it just rained, hella mud, puddles.
And my immediate thought was we might get fucking bogged down in the mud.
So, drove on the back road, tried to back out after we did what we did, got bogged down for four hours in the mud.
Called 9-1-1.
9-1-1 said tow truck, uh, they couldn't send it a dispatcher out because I was too far in the boonies.
And the tow truck company was like, We don't have any trucks in the area.
So, I was stuck trying to get my car out the mud, doing everything I could, scariest, scariest, most anxious moment of my life.
I'm like, yo, how the fuck are we gonna get out?
And then, lo and behold, as I'm walking back to my car from the street, because I was trying to find a signal, I didn't even have service trying to find a signal.
There was a shadow coming towards my car, and I thought I was seeing shit.
And it was a white guy with a shotgun, and I was and I saw a sign that said private property.
And he was like, What are you doing back here?
And I was like, Oh, shit.
I'm like, Sir, we stuck.
Can you help us?
You know, I didn't tell him what we were doing, but luckily, he had some, he had something that could pull us out, and that's how I got out after about five hours.
So, scary.
So, I'm traumatized by car sex.
I don't have car sex anymore because of that.
Yeah, I think when it comes to car sex, for me personally, I'd rather, like, if the option is to have sex or to not have sex in a car, I'd rather just not, you know, really, yeah, I'd rather just not.
It's kind of like, well, I could go really far with this one, but just go oral.
It's kind of like cute, maybe I want you to weigh on this too.
You know, like, you ever been hooking up with a girl and she's like, Well, I could give you a hand job, and it's like, I'd rather just not have anything, to be honest.
If it's like people still do that, if it's nothing versus a hand job, I'm good.
I think I'm okay.
I'm just, never mind, you know, it's fair.
Or they even want to give you one in any capacity.
I don't even want one in any scenario.
Yeah.
Like, all by itself.
Hello?
Why is that even better?
Like, no, just no.
Yeah.
I'm good.
Yeah, hand jobs aren't really.
They don't really do that.
They're not your thing.
Yeah, they're not your thing.
No, I've only had one my whole life, and that was walking down the hallway in high school.
I was walking down the hallway in high school, and my girlfriend was in front of me, and she had reached back in my pants and was like giving me a hand job as we walked.
Surprise, bitch!
Oh, shit.
You ever have one like when you're sitting at a campaign?
It's like another table.
They try.
I stop them.
Don't you feel like guys already give themselves hand jobs when they self-pleasure?
Uh wait, what?
Don't guys give themselves hand jobs when they're self-pleasuring?
Yeah.
So maybe that's maybe they're like, hey, I'm already used to this.
This is lame.
I want something different.
Maybe that's why.
I just don't think y'all know what you're doing.
What we're doing?
Yeah, we don't have people.
Women often complain men can't find the clip.
Y'all don't know how to do that.
Why are you looking at me?
I don't know.
Professional.
Okay, yeah.
Normally, we don't get two sexual talks into the show.
Oh, y'all like working out?
Get your shake week.
Yeah.
I don't know about like.
Shake week.
Okay, I guess I'll get a little graphic.
For some, like, you can't go over the head.
Like, girls will, like, dry.
No, like, you can't go over the head.
Like.
At least spin it.
No, it has to be, it has to be on the shaft if you're going to do a handy.
Even then, still don't give me one.
But like, you're telling me?
Yeah, I'm giving you instructions.
She knows.
I've given you instructions, bro.
They're trying to, like.
You watch my videos or what?
Like what you saw?
Don't, you can't, like, rub the head.
Okay, whatever.
Moving on.
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All right.
Where were we?
We were talking about.
Oh, let's talk a little bit about waiting for sex.
So I have a question.
Have any of the girls here going around the table, starting with you, had?
And this is a chronological question, so think chronologically.
Have you ever, chronologically speaking, had sex with a guy relatively quickly?
Perhaps even a couple guys relatively quickly.
And then you, you know, you stumble across a man.
Maybe you like him, especially a lot.
Those other guys, though, you had sex with them quick first night, an hour after meeting, in the bathroom at that nightclub behind the dumpster of the bar at the frat party, whatever it is.
You had sex relatively quickly.
Then you meet a guy and then, oh, you like this one.
Oh, no, hold on.
I think we should wait three months.
Have you ever done that?
Um, oh, sorry.
I would say I didn't go back and forth on it.
Like when I broke with my ex like last year, over a year ago now, is when I started like waiting to sleep with people, and then I just ended up not sleeping with anyone because after like a few months or yeah, whatever, I just wouldn't like them.
And then I kind of got over it.
And then I found with the guy that I actually did have sex with, it was like, I don't know why, but I just like had no respect for him.
And so I just figured it would be fine.
Wait, one sec really quick.
We're going to continue with this question.
I just need to read this before it falls off.
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It's bad because guys are being shamed to hell for looking at girls in the gym.
Then they do this.
Brian, you better not French me.
Q is great, but I miss Chase of base.
Keep fighting the good.
Finding the good?
Fighting the good fight.
I think he meant to say, hey, Alberta sovereign.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
And yes, Q is great.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
So, continuing on.
Oh, okay.
So he was kind of like, it was low stakes emotionally.
Yep.
Like, I knew it was good for business, and emotionally, it was low stakes.
So that's why I think I slept with him.
um i have but it was more like there was a different reason of me not having sex What was the reason?
I was going to therapy because I had a sex addiction.
Oh, you got a sex addiction.
I used to.
Used to.
Does that ever go away, a sex addiction?
Can that go away?
Can you tell us a bit about your sex addiction?
What would you like to know?
How did it manifest itself?
That's like deeper stuff.
We love Deep.
Deep is great for the whatever podcast.
Save the business.
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I'm watching in Restro Active Time.
I meant, what info can I get/slash give to provide my young daughters in the current market?
Very badly worded question.
Not me.
I am married for 17 years.
Advice to your young daughters.
Hmm.
Hmm.
How young.
Did he say how young they were?
He said 12 and 14.
I think.
Oh, dude.
They don't get fucking smartphones until they're 18.
They don't get any social media.
They can have a fucking pager, dude.
Give them a fucking pager.
It's probably too late.
If they already have smartphones, you got to fucking burn them in front of them and be like, this is the work of the devil.
They cannot have smartphones until they're 18.
They can't have social media till they're 18.
Private school.
Consider, you know, what else?
Try to keep them living in the household for as long as possible.
What else?
And because here's the thing: like, I think when it comes to picking a good man, your brothers and your fathers are going to give you the best advice and be able to help you screen out dudes.
No offense, left to your own devices, you're going to pick the fuck boy.
You're going to pick the bad boy who's going to ultimately treat you like shit, rack you with trauma, and then you're probably, depending on how fucking bad it is, you're probably thoroughly fucked for your whole life.
No, I'm just kidding, maybe not fucked for your whole life, but you should seek the advice of your fathers and brothers when it comes to men.
You guys clearly disagree with that take.
Can you guys give me a little?
I mean, maybe you agree.
I don't know.
Don't just, if you disagree with something, don't just sit there quietly and be like, fuck this misogynistic piece of shit, but I'm not going to say anything.
Actually, engage with the conversation.
How about like not having the phones and stuff?
Well, I mean, anything, but I mean, that's my advice.
First, if, you know, if and when I have kids, yeah, you're not, you're not getting a smartphone till you're 18.
You're not going to be on social media till you're 18.
It depends.
Depends on.
You don't need a smartphone.
I grew up without a.
I'm 34.
I didn't have a.
I had a flip phone.
I'm very lucky that I was, I think, in my senior year of high school, my space was just becoming a thing.
Yeah, but I know it sounds like I'm a fucking boomer here, but.
Yeah, but you were not a teenager in 2024.
It is now 2024.
Oh, I don't give a fuck what the other kids are.
Maybe they can have a phone, but not a smartphone.
Oh, maybe they can have one of those phones where you have certain numbers where you can maybe a flip phone if you're lucky.
I know if they sell pagers like that.
Yeah, I know.
I'm being a bit facetious.
A little bit.
There's no way.
Maybe they can have, maybe they can have like a phone call.
I agree.
No social media.
I think it's not a lot of people.
No social media is toxic.
That's why I don't have all those Twitters and shit.
Excuse me.
Sorry.
Banned.
Private schools always go wrong.
All the girls that I know that went to private school ended up with way worse.
Oh, no.
Okay, then homeschool.
I don't know.
I mean, I would keep them off social media, to be honest.
Yeah, no social media, but a phone for safety.
Yeah, that's fine.
But no smartphone because then they can access all that bullshit.
That's true.
You get a flip phone.
Yeah, flip phone.
That's right.
Flip phone.
Yeah.
Flip phone.
Yeah.
I don't know.
That's my advice when it comes to dating.
I'd tell them don't fall into hedonistic behaviors, seeking instant gratification.
I would tell them that don't fall into believing in the concept of soulmates, the one.
Don't be aligning astrology signs, all of that bullshit.
Witchcraft.
Yeah, don't yeah.
Witchcraft.
Yeah, definitely.
Let's add witchcraft in there.
Men are not their enemies.
They have to have some accountability for the guys that they choose in their lives.
Don't be afraid to discipline them and let them know that you don't approve of the gentleman that they bring home, especially if you feel that their values don't align.
There's a lot of things.
As a father, like Brian said, you have to be the one, you're going to have the biggest influence on who they date.
If they have brothers, I'm not sure he didn't say they had brothers.
Well, as a father, you're literally your daughter's, like, you're showing your daughter how a man should treat you, right?
So, I couldn't get the words out.
So, I mean, you have a big job.
You have two daughters that are like at that prime age where it's like comparisons that, you know, the thief of choice.
So that's why the social media thing is so big because you see girls who are like, you know, at the epitome of vanity and like wanting to look so beautiful and like, you know, be skinny, be thick, whatever.
Like, so I think it has a bad influence on how like women think.
That's why there are so many women with eating disorders.
That's why there's women who want to, you know, go and get so much plastic surgery.
That's why, you know, girls want to like outdo the next.
So I think honestly, just show your daughters that they are beautiful and they are designed how God intended to design them.
And just show them how a man should treat them.
So that way you're actually proud and happy with who they choose because they're going to choose the right person because of everything that you instilled in them through their childhood.
You have a big, big job to do.
I 100% agree with everything you said.
And I think another really important thing to do when you're raising kids is teach them accountability for what is happening in their lives.
Because all of the internal thoughts and beliefs that we hold about ourselves get reflected in the external world.
So if some guy is showing up in your life and he's not treating you well, you have a core foundational belief that's not in alignment with who you're trying to become.
So really getting people aware of the power that we have with our thoughts.
And this is what I teach in my coaching too.
That's good.
In the Atlas household, it's going to be the fucking 1800s.
You're going to be working on the farm.
No, I'm just kidding.
No fucking internet.
Oh, no internet too.
Maybe like a censored version.
Atlas censorship.
Parental controls.
Maybe you can, like, Wikipedia is way too woke.
Maybe you can, like, Google historical articles about World War II.
I'll allow her to, you know, but like, you know, you know.
Books.
It has, I'm going to, I'm going to procure, it's going to be the Atlas internet.
There's going to be historical things on there.
You can learn about history.
Primarily World War I, World War II.
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Brian, you are correct.
I don't know a single body count under 300.
Under 300?
Puffy, Puffimus Maximus.
Here, let me have Maddie read a couple of these chats.
Yo, Puffy, good to see you in the chat, man.
Thank you so much for your TTS.
I appreciate your patronage, man.
It's always good to have you in the chat.
And, you know, maybe.
Yo, chat, one in the chat or tune.
One in the chat if you want to see Puffy on the show.
Tune the chat if you're like, nah.
Okay.
Maddie, let me have you read this one.
Hi, Brian.
First time donating.
Been listening for months.
Thank you for all the entertainment.
Love the show.
To the ladies, when is the last time you complimented a man on his appearance?
Go ahead.
A week ago.
Today.
What was the compliment to?
You're so sexy.
Okay.
Thought it was going to be more vulgar than that, but okay.
I just said you're really cute.
I told my boyfriend he was handsome like last week.
I told my boyfriend that I think he's pretty and handsome like a couple days ago.
I told my ex who's trying to come back that he looked good.
Oh I don't know why I said that.
You just complimented me.
I don't like you.
You said you didn't like him.
What else was I supposed to say?
Is he a word to affirmation guy?
He sent you a picture?
Yeah, he sent me a picture.
You ain't leaving him on ring?
What?
I'm just himself.
Oh, he got a response.
Oh, I know.
You giving him hope.
You giving him hope.
Yeah.
Wrong signal.
What about you?
I'm bad at that, honestly.
Oh, um, like two weeks ago, I told someone that they were sweet.
Oh.
I probably today or yesterday.
I tell my husband all the time he's he's handsome.
He's perfect.
Yeah.
Q, when's the last time you complimented blah, blah, blah.
I got told I was handsome today.
Oh, by who?
By a couple ladies.
By his mom.
I'm kidding.
I, the last time I complimented a man was my Chilean bodyguard back here, and I said that uniform, that Chilean military uniform, really brings out the color of his eyes.
Really just flattering.
Okay.
His name's Gustavo.
Gustavo.
Good.
Good.
You see that?
Nice.
Attentive.
Attentive.
Okay.
All right.
Can you read this one, Maddie?
If a man pushes for sex on the first date, he is low value or thinks you are not valuable and is just trying to drop a nut.
Disagree.
Disagree.
I agree.
You agree.
I agree.
I agree.
Yeah.
Oh, pushes for sex.
Yeah, yeah.
I agree.
Okay, pushes for sex.
It's tacky.
Because he's probably not being authentic.
He's probably saying a whole bunch of stupid shit and trying to run game, trying to use a whole bunch of cliché lance, trying to seduce her verbally.
He desperate.
And women can smell desperate on men when they're desperate.
So I agree.
Okay.
Pushes for sex.
Maybe that's the crux of it.
Yeah.
Not if sex happens to happen on the first day.
That's different.
If he pushes for it, though.
I see.
Okay.
Okay, let's go back to you.
You said you had sex addiction.
Let's talk about that a little bit.
When did that has that you always had that or I thought we stopped?
It started my first year of college.
And you're 21 now?
Right.
Yes.
So when you were 18?
19.
19.
So you didn't.
When did you lose your virginity?
17.
17.
But it didn't start until 19.
Yes.
Okay.
And so sex addiction, it's kind of a vague term.
What did that mean?
How did that look?
Like, this sounds really weird, but genuinely, like, I felt like I wouldn't have a personality unless I slept with someone.
Or like, not like, it wasn't about the person, but it was just like about the feeling.
Like, I needed that little release.
Oh, release?
Or validation?
Comfort?
It was.
All the above?
It was more of.
So my therapist told me that it was because of my abandonment issues.
So it was just the fact that I could leave them.
Because it's really hard for me to get attached to someone.
And so when I would sleep with someone, all feelings would like I would lose it like instantly.
And so it was just like the fact that I could leave them.
So it was, so you would have sex with the guy and then just blank ghost him.
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I've been complimented by a naturally born woman every day of my life multiple times a day.
I would like to come watch your show and live.
I don't even if I have to be a penal.
Penal?
Penal colony?
Thank you, Puffy.
We have another one coming in, so I'm just going to hold off.
But thank you, Puffy Man.
Appreciate your patronage over these many, many months.
Plato the Kid 22 donated $100.
Can you ask the panel if they have ever seen some good red pill videos that are about men being just genuinely better people?
This feels like a very vague question.
They've seen good red.
First off, I doubt the panel even knows what red pill is.
So I appreciate your TTS, but this is a very vague question.
But you, I mean, okay, fuck it.
Have you ever seen some good red pill videos that are about men being just genuinely better people?
I haven't.
Okay.
Yeah.
What is red pill?
See, this okay.
I could explain what it is.
Red pill is the truth.
But I'm not sure if God.
Guys, you should.
I appreciate the patronage, Plato, but you need to ask, like, you know what I mean?
You gotta ask like a question that they're gonna understand.
But you understand, right?
You could explain it.
Well, no, because I mean, my definition of the red pill differs from my view of the red pill is strictly the truth, the truth of something.
Other people view it as like this sort of dogmatic thing when it comes to intersexual dynamics between men and men and women, and there's like a sort of dogma where it's like, you know, some of which I agree with, some of which I don't.
I mean, I'll go around the table on it, but I don't understand the question.
Yeah, I agree with most of it.
Okay, all right.
You were saying?
I don't remember.
You said you had an anxious attachment style.
Anxious attachment.
No, so I think I was asking, okay, so you would have sex with a guy once and then you'd ghost him.
Okay.
How many times did you do that?
In a span of like the whole time?
Yeah, since she was diagnosed with your sexuality.
Or just not even diagnosed, just like your whole life.
Well, I don't think like it's been like a whole life type of thing.
No, no, no.
But like the first time you just had sex with a dude and just blanked him, ghosted him?
That was the first time.
Because that was like, because I had like my first relationship, and that was for two and a half years.
And that was the only relationship I had.
And then after that ended, then that's when I started having a sex attraction.
Okay.
So you didn't ghost the guy you lost your virginity to?
No, I don't think it was from the gecko, but I mean like how many times total did you do that?
I don't know.
If you had to give a range.
Probably 30.
Take this.
Okay.
You're not supposed to gasp that horse.
Sorry.
Judgment free zone.
No, no, no, no.
I'm not judging.
But now we know it's been at least 30.
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My bad.
I'm just Delix.
What I was trying to say is I would like to come watch your show live.
I don't even need to be a penalties.
Wow, you've made it more confusing now.
Thank you, Puffy Vegas.
Penalties.
Wait, I don't want to come across as judging at all.
Okay, the reason I gasped is like, because I wanted to understand why.
Why did you do that?
I was just very depressed in that moment in my life.
So that was kind of like your outlet?
Yeah.
Like, it was.
Like, everything would just go away.
The guys wouldn't.
They didn't know your intention right.
What is it that would go away?
What was it?
Like, I don't know how to explain it because right now, like, I don't even think the same right now.
But in that moment, like, I just remember I was just like, like, as soon as I would come or whatever, and then I would leave them.
Like, it was just like, like, just like, like, I feel like relaxed.
Like, I'm like good to like go to sleep or whatever.
Did you initiate a lot of these?
Oh, no, never.
No?
No.
So you just accept it?
Yeah.
Wait, so you said once you come, you just dip?
Well, no, no.
Come and dip.
Like, I was just saying, like, in general, like, at the end.
Like, after, like, I would, like, in general, like, it would just feel like good.
Can I ask you something?
Did your...
Okay.
Did your ex cheat on you?
Yeah.
Okay.
So I think I understand maybe where the mindset's coming from because like, and this is what I've heard from like other friends that I've had that have been cheated on is like, okay, so a dude did a dude thing on you, right?
And cheated, right?
Because dude's cheap.
I don't even.
Everybody cheats, but Puffy underscore Vegas donated $100.
Oh, thank you, sir.
Thank you.
Puffy, I just want to send this to you.
He's a brave and a decent man.
He's a pioneer.
Thank you, Puffy.
That's you.
Okay.
So it's kind of like your way of getting back at men, right?
Like, you're kind of not getting back at men, but like kind of acting like a dude.
Because dudes do that.
That sounds like bullshit.
I'm not going to lie.
That's a huge L. That's a huge L for a girl to you.
You get cheated on.
Let me just go fuck a bunch of dudes.
Nobody's saying that's like the hierarchy of morals.
How are you getting?
But you can't get me back for coming.
Like, you just can't.
It's never, it's never a W. Like, as a guy, as a guy, like, say there's validity to what you just said.
I wouldn't feel like she got me back.
Like, if I fuck a woman and I'll say Plato the Kid 22 donated $100.
Okay.
So the videos that I was talking about were videos of men being stoic, of men being truly great, of men not bending to life and being truly masculine.
Brian, I should have asked Candace instead.
Shout out to Candace Owens.
Candace who?
Candace Owens?
Is that who you're talking about?
Actually, you know what?
We have a video.
We'll pull it up later.
One of these compilation videos that I'm trying to see if I can find it.
Fuck.
We'll do that, but continue on, guys.
Oh, holy shit.
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Have the girls rate this 500.
This guy, he's a madman.
He's a fucking madman, dude.
We'll do it in a sec.
Okay, Puffy.
Continue on.
I think you were.
Okay, yeah.
So I'm not validating what she's saying or saying that I even agree with it, but what I'm saying is I'm trying to place my head and where her head was at that time.
I think for a lot of women, when helicopter Arkul donated $100.
Who is the girl in the back?
She's always so perfect and quiet.
Madison?
I assume they're talking about Madison.
That's Madison.
She doesn't speak English.
She's mute.
That's why she's so quiet.
Good.
I just feel like once I talk, then there's going to be something that I'm going to say.
Just go ahead.
Just go ahead.
Okay, so I'm just trying to get inside her head.
Like, I think, you know, for everybody, depression can hit you differently, and you're completely feminists.
Jesus.
Steve Puffy.
Respect to talking about it.
Many good men get hurt from women with that outlook.
Hookup culture wouldn't be as bad if woman took the same self-accountability and tried fixing it.
Agreed.
Thank you, Helie.
Appreciate it.
Gotta take accountability.
Go ahead.
Maybe she should talk and then there wouldn't be something that pops up.
It's better if you just go ahead and make your point.
That was basically my point.
I'm just saying that I was saying that depression.
Jacob underscore W donated 100%.
Don't tell me that again, Brian.
You're wrong.
Sounds like she's slash was using orgasm to cope with emotions.
God damn.
Now for the reason why.
One can only speculate.
Hmm.
I feel like I could agree to that.
Yeah, so you can't say anything about me saying about popping up anymore.
So, anyways, yeah, I think everybody can approach depression differently.
Some people go to drugs, some people go to sex, some people go to, you know, drinking.
So, you know, I'm not saying it was right, but I'm saying I can understand where you came from.
I was in a very toxic and horrible relationship with my first boyfriend, who's like my high school sweetheart.
The whole deal, I moved in with him.
It was a whole thing, and he broke my heart in many ways.
didn't cheat on me, not that I know of, but he was just a horrible person.
And so for me, like, I fell into the promiscuity.
I, I went on a lot of dates.
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I'm done, honestly, because it's honestly, it's a coincidence every single time.
Wait, so you said it was about 30 guys where you would just have sex with them.
And then, what did, but would they want.
I'm sure you're an attractive girl.
I'm sure they would want to see you again, right?
Some of them?
I'm like trying to remember, but it was mostly like frat guys.
So it was people that I already knew day to day.
This would be like you're out of the party.
Alcohol is involved.
After the party, you guys are liquored up.
Yeah, and it was like my first year.
Like it was my first time at like college or like in general like without like a boyfriend for the first time.
And also like my experience like dating like was very different.
And he cheated on me like I think 36 times, 33 or 36.
What the fuck?
Damn, you kept count and let it get to 36?
I did.
But it's because I moved to Turkey for him though.
That's why I wouldn't do it this time.
Wait.
Like sorry.
You moved to Turkey.
Wait, so is this the current dude?
It's the friend.
It's a best friend.
It's okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
I moved to Turkey for him.
And then.
The guy who cheated on you.
Yes.
Crazy.
Crazy how it works.
What she did for the guy that cheated.
She moved to Turkey for the guy that cheated on her 36 times.
So you was definitely into him more than he was into you.
Well, I just want to say I didn't know that he cheated on me until after I moved.
To Turkey?
Yeah.
So he was cheating with Turkish women in Turkey.
There was a lot.
Okay, there could have been some travelers, I guess.
But okay, so.
I have a question.
Wait, was this, what was the age of that relationship?
From what age to what age?
Because you're 21 now, so.
17 to 19.
17 to 19.
Okay, so this was a long distance relationship for periods.
Yes.
Okay.
We were basically like engaged.
Like, it was a very serious relationship.
And it was my first time.
Was it?
He cheated on you 36 times.
For her, it was.
Well, yeah.
Okay.
And also, like, I'm obviously Turkish, but I didn't grow up in Turkey.
Okay.
And so there's also like the cultural differences that I didn't know of.
Like, what was really appropriate, obviously, back then.
But, yeah.
Okay.
Wait, so you said the sex addition was precipitated by your depression.
Was the depression caused because of the breakup of this relationship and the infidelity?
Partially.
Partially.
Okay.
So wait.
But you said that most of these scenarios would be like frat guys.
Go.
Yeah.
Alcohol was often involved.
Okay.
It would be like my friends would like force me to like go out.
Like they'd be like, oh, like would you want to be like depressed and be in or like go out?
And so then I would go out and drink too much and then sleep with someone else.
Okay.
And then.
And that was, so you said that was about 30 times you did that?
Like just one night stand?
30 one night stands.
I would say, like, probably 30 guys.
Oh, 30 guys.
I repeat a few.
Okay, so some of them you would, but it was never like ever seriously.
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Who, Madison, back here?
Well, here's what you got to do.
It's really weird.
I don't know if you guys heard about that woman who had a TBI and then she woke up, or maybe she was in a coma.
She woke up and she, American woman, white woman, she woke up and she had like a Chinese accent.
Madison, it's not trauma, it's not like she needs a TBI.
For some reason, she's capable of speaking English when she gets liquored up.
Oh, wait, hold on, no, this doesn't work.
She's not 21.
Okay, never mind.
I was going to say, we have a champagne.
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Never mind.
God damn, that was so corny.
I'm sorry, guys.
All right.
So, okay, you'd recycle a couple of the dudes.
Okay.
But so it's like 30 guys.
What was the span of time where you had slept with these 30 guys during your sex addiction?
Was it a one-year period, six-month period?
I would say one year.
So like the first year of college.
Okay.
Do you still have a sex addiction?
No, I wouldn't say so.
Okay.
Okay.
Good times.
What were, how did we arrive there?
There was a question, I was going around the table on this.
I'm trying to recall.
I think it was: how soon did you sleep with the guy or something?
Oh, yes, I recall.
The question was: we're going around the table.
So, have you ever had like one night stand, string of one-night stands, hooked up with whatever guys relatively early, but then you stumble upon a guy you actually like, and then you make that guy wait weeks, months, whatever to have sex with him?
Yes, but that was just because I was trying to actually like like them instead of losing feelings after sleeping with them.
So I'm I usually, before I give my response, I usually like to get around the table first on this.
So I know you were going through something.
However, if a girl told me, for example, that I was interested in dating, she told me.
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So if I was pursuing a girl and she told me, well, six months ago, I was going through a period of my life and I had, I was having one-night stands and sleeping with guys within.
Let me ask you a question.
From first meeting a guy to having sex with him, what's the quickest?
Like 30 minutes?
Have you had that?
No, guys, don't laugh.
Don't laugh.
Don't laugh.
Have you had that?
I'm not attacking you for this.
I'm just asking.
Like, you meet a guy at a frat party from first meeting him to having sex, what's the quickest?
I think within like the first hour.
Within an hour, right.
So if a girl told me That she wanted to wait to have sex with me multiple dates, weeks, months.
But then she told me a few months prior she had sex with a guy within an hour of meeting him.
It's your prerogative to, hey, a week ago you had sex with a guy within 30 minutes of meeting him.
A week later, I'm waiting until marriage.
Then it's your choice.
But from my perspective as a guy, I'm going to feel like I'm getting a bad deal.
Like, I'm going to feel a certain type of way about that.
And I would be like, well, that's your choice.
But I would feel like a sucker if I just would feel like a sucker in that situation.
I mean, it depends, because if I communicate this with a guy and I tell him, like, what the situation is and what the reason is, and he thinks that way, then what I'm understanding out of that is that he just wants to sleep with me in general.
No, not necessarily, but you provided a certain treatment to the other men who you had sex with.
But this guy who you, if you want a long-term relationship with him, who you perhaps value more than those other guys, you're going to make him wait.
That makes me raise an eyebrow.
Well, I feel like it really shouldn't because, like, let's say the other guys, for instance, that I like slept with, or the one that took like an hour, that was someone that I didn't care about.
So I didn't even put any time into that relationship or any thought into it.
So this should show you how much effort I'm putting into this.
Here's how, here's my translation of that, though.
I thought, this is what you would be, this is sort of the framing of it.
I thought you were a better long-term prospect.
So I treated you worse than the guy I knew who was an asshole or toxic.
I'm not treating you worse.
We're just not having sex.
So you're so important to me.
I'm treating sex like it's sacred just for you.
But not those other 30 guys who had sex with me the first night.
I'm not sleeping with you so I don't lose feelings for you the first night I see you or we hook up because I generally see something in you that I want to continue 100%.
It's not in the guy's perspective, they're not going to see it that way, but it's not like it's benefiting him.
It's more so, but it's benefiting her.
She's healing her heart.
And that's why she's choosing that.
So maybe she shouldn't tell him that she was giving it up to these guys right away so soon.
Would you hold the same standard to a man?
What do you mean?
Like, could, okay, we'll say you.
Let's say you fuck a girl tomorrow and you don't care about her.
And then, okay, I'm.
I don't do that, but okay.
Well, the average man does.
Okay.
Any man that I know does, so we'll go off the average man.
Okay.
Fucks a girl tomorrow, meets a girl maybe the next week, and he's kind of talking to her, but he actually respects her and maybe wants something more with her.
And so, like, does the girl now get to have the same perspective on him?
Okay.
So if, first off, men and women are different.
So it would surprise me, I think it would be a bit surprising for Because who's typically like pushing to have sex?
Who's typically pursuing sex?
Men.
It's typically men.
So, I mean, this sort of hypothetical scenario.
So, the question is: would I object to a woman feeling upset if the guy didn't want to fuck her right away?
First off, I'm not sure in what world that ever would play out.
No, if a woman was upset that a new guy wanted to wait and she wanted to fuck him right away, would I object to her being like, well, why don't you fuck me sooner because you fucked all these other chicks sooner?
No, she can have that preference, I guess.
Okay.
I don't think any most women are going to ever have that dynamic ever.
Like, you fucked all those other girls really quickly, but you're making me wait?
In what world has that ever occurred?
Like, but no, I don't object to it if a woman has that standard.
Okay, and then also because you feel like because she has like slept with people quickly and then all of a sudden has decided that she wants to wait.
Do you want to wait now with like future partners if there was another one?
Like, if this relationship ended, would you treat another relationship the same way?
Would you go about sex the same way?
What do you mean?
Or do you think you would like partake in one night stands again or would always depend on the person?
Well, with my current relationship, I didn't wait.
Okay, but if something happened to this relationship, would you wait or would you still treat it person to person?
Or do you think that phase is over in your life?
I'm not sure.
Well, see, that's my concern then, because you say you're not addicted to sex anymore.
So, why would you still have the same fear that was because of the sex addiction moving forward?
Why if you used to have sex and then move on after you came, why would you still fear that that's going to be present if you have sex with somebody that you really like?
Like, why would you hold off, hypothetically speaking?
Why would you then hold off because you don't want to lose feelings?
But that was an effect of being addicted to sex.
So, if that effect is no longer, if you're no longer addicted to sex, why would you still fear that outcome?
Because let's say, like, she was saying that if I were to get out of this relationship, which means that I would probably like have to go through another breakup, which that's the outcome.
I don't think it was a sex addiction.
I think it was a lack of value for herself and depression because an addiction would mean that you probably shouldn't do it again.
Like, if you're addicted to alcohol, you shouldn't go to a bar, right?
But if you have a sex addiction, what does that mean?
You have to be celibate for life?
You have to eventually heal that bond so that way you can have sex with your future partner.
So, I wouldn't even label it as a sex addiction.
I would just label it as you were suffering with depression and didn't value yourself enough.
Wait.
Okay, look, I don't know the intricacies of your situation, but could claiming that you Had an addiction be a way of you?
Could you trying to frame this pattern of behavior as an addiction, be a way of you trying to escape accountability for the specific actions that you took?
Because if you claim something's an addiction, then you can kind of just relinquish yourself of responsibility of having done it.
Oh well, I have an addiction, I have an illness, I had no control.
Okay well, in today's society, I don't think any girl would just randomly just be like, oh, I have a sex addiction.
I think a sex addiction also it's like if it's risky, like it's time, like it's categorized as, if you like cannot help it and you're putting yourself at risk but you're doing it anyways because you just like that.
I'm pretty sure that's what it is defined.
I mean, she look, but she said her friends were like trying to drag her out to these parties.
It's very common for you, were you in college at the time?
I'm assuming you're in college.
That's what people do.
They go out to parties Thursday Friday, Saturday night.
You're an attractive girl.
You said you didn't even approach these dudes.
These dudes are coming up to you.
Is this a sex addiction or were you just being promiscuous, like that's my sense of this?
It's.
It's very hard to explain the situation, but basically I wasn't just randomly like I didn't wake up one day and was like oh, I have a sex addiction.
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You were saying so um, what I was trying to say was um oh, I didn't just wake up one day and I was like oh, I have a sex addiction.
It was, I went to therapy because my friends actually made me, because I was actually having like a really bad problem, and then he was like I think you have a sex addiction, like you need to stop like having sex, like you need to like, you know, just get yourself like just focus on yourself for a little bit.
And just because this is like your outlet and this can't be your outlet if that makes sense how early on did your therapist tell you that you have a sex addiction?
During that process, I think I was at probably 10 or 15 guys.
Do you think that?
Maybe the therapist telling you that, since it was placed into your head, do you think maybe you decided to use that label and you know, because sometimes therapists will be like oh, you've got ADHD.
So then people are like oh, my god, I have AHD, this is why I'm this way and I'm never gonna change, and da right.
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She's not lying.
Of the 200 women I hooked up with, I know less than two hours, shortest girl I knew was two minutes.
She just asked me to go into the bathroom at a club.
Have the girls rape me.
We'll get to it in a bit, Puffy.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
So.
I think she was responding to me.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm so sorry.
Yeah, do you think that because your therapist kind of gave you that label, it kind of enabled you to give yourself that label and continue to do the thing?
Honestly, I think that probably did have like an influence because it was also like my first year of like college.
Like that's like technically that's where you learn like your life because like that's the first time you're on your own.
And also like this is just me trying to like live life and then someone's telling me that I have a sex addiction.
Like obviously it's a doctor.
Like I'm going to believe it.
And like that's subconsciously most likely going to do some things to me.
But because sometimes like giving giving someone a label will box them in.
And so then they, you know, it's like if you tell yourself over and over and over, you know, you label yourself something, whatever.
You say, oh my gosh, I'm ugly.
I'm ugly.
I'm ugly.
You believe it.
It's what you give out, right?
So then if you say like, then you kind of become the addiction, right?
Because now you have that label rather than like looking inward and trying to see what are the deeper rooted problems.
Yeah, I mean, I guess I will say, like, whenever like I do get too like sad or like depressed or like whenever like I have like too much of like a problem, I do still use sex to cope.
But it's obviously differently now.
That's what I was curious about.
Do you think you think it's easier to have sex with the men than to like introspect about the cheating and like what's going on emotionally with you?
What do you mean?
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No, it's not a problem and I won't go see help.
Please don't see help.
Sex is great.
Does anyone here need a therapist?
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Oh, thumbs up, thumbs down.
Okay.
All right.
Like, some people have trouble kind of like sitting with their emotions and their pain.
So do you think that's a good idea?
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So do you think that it was easier than like going out?
Like sitting with it was easier?
It was harder.
I think.
Therapy session right now.
Shit.
All right, go ahead.
Give her your answer.
Go ahead.
I think going out was easier because like, you know, like you're drinking, like, at least like I'm not in control of me.
Like, it's kind of like an excuse.
But like, if I'm at home, then I'm going to be like texting people, like, guys, like, hey, like, and then that, that would be.
And that makes sense because our brain moves towards pleasure all the time.
So if that was like harder for you, then it makes sense why that would be good.
Wait, she.
She needed a dopamine hit.
So question here for you.
Now that you have kind of moved past this, with your current new guy, how long did you make him wait?
If you even did?
Well, we were friends for years.
Okay, so it's kind of different.
So it was very different.
Like, I genuinely had feelings for him.
Okay.
That's how we okay.
But you're saying, if like for you moving forward, your experience has been and will be if you were to have, let's say, this guy goes away, whatever, you meet a new guy, let's say you're interested in a relationship with him.
If you have sex with him too quick, you'll just, despite your potential long-term interest in him, you'll just, it's over.
Well, I'm not saying that that's how it's going to be.
Oh, because you said if you have sex too quick, you just like.
I was just trying to say, like, that's just how that's been the pattern recently.
Like, it's just, I don't know, like, if it will change, but it hasn't so far.
Yeah.
Okay.
It will.
It will.
Look, going back to my point, though, if a girl previously has engaged in, if she's had sex quickly with a guy, and then all of a sudden you have this new standard, to me, I just think it's bullshit.
It's again, you're free to have it, but I'm going to feel like it's bullshit.
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Yeah, I just think it's BS.
What if I'm trying to be a better version of myself for you?
Like for that guy, though.
Yeah, that's like saying, like, if an alcoholic says, I'm going to bring alcohol into this, right?
Because we're talking about addiction.
So let's label it.
If alcohol, if somebody who struggles with alcohol and you're saying, oh my gosh, you're not going to have a drink with me?
You're not going to have a drink with me on the first date.
Oh my gosh.
I know you're trying to better yourself, but that's not fair.
I don't think that's a perfect analysis.
That's not perfect.
That's the standard that they take for the rest of their life.
You know what I mean?
That would be more fair.
But I'm fairly certain that you'll have women who will have had casual sexual encounters, fuck guys on the first date, and then, oh, let me switch things up.
And then, okay, I'm going to make this guy who I view for long-term potential.
I'm going to make him wait three months.
Let's say you date that guy for a year.
You break up with him.
You're going to fuck a guy on the first date within a week of breaking up with him.
So your standard is just going to be wishy-washy.
That's my issue with it.
Is that there's not like, you don't actually have a value.
You don't have like a deeply held value.
It's just like you're playing a game.
You're trying to leverage pussy to get a long-term relationship, basically.
It's not going to be fair no matter what.
Life's not fair.
I mean, obviously, it's, I'm not saying that obviously the guy wouldn't take your perspective, but maybe the right guy will understand.
It's kind of like when you become a Christian, you become a Christian, you change your ways, right?
You change your lifestyle.
And you can tell your future husband, hey, I used to do these things and I'm not proud of it, but this is who I am now.
And she can change her behaviors.
She can change her patterns.
That's what she's trying to do.
This is more about her healing.
I'm not saying it's fair for the guy because it's not.
It's not fair for the guy.
The moment the guy knows, hey, you gave it away, you know, all quick, then yeah, he's going to be like, well, what the heck?
Why didn't I get that?
You know?
So I understand that.
But again, this is about her healing.
Sure.
It's, and look, I understand.
Like, it is a bit of a tough position to be in this woman because obviously, look, if you're trying to change the way you move, I'm not saying, well, if you used to be promiscuous, well, you should just continue being promiscuous.
I understand that it kind of puts women in a bind, but like, I'm just telling you the male perspective here, like how we're going to feel.
It's good for you, but like you previously, let's say you previously had sex with 100 men, you slept with all of them on the first date.
First off, I would not advise a man to ever date a woman who's had sex with 100 other men, but that's another conversation.
And then you want to make me wait for marriage?
No.
If you're thinking in your best interest, you know, as a man, if you're thinking in your best interest, would you also want her to think in her best interest for her healing journey and being unapologetic about her boundaries?
Look, you can move however you want to move.
You can fuck three guys in one day within 30 seconds of meeting them.
And then the very next day, you can say, I'm waiting until marriage from here on out.
That's your call.
But if I meet you that day and you tell me that you're waiting until marriage and you just fucked three guys yesterday later, I ain't taking you seriously.
You're not, I'm not pursuing you.
And that's how a lot of guys are going to feel because it's going to look like clown world shit.
That was never your, like, I guess you can turn a new leaf, but.
Anyone can turn a new leaf.
I mean, we're saying that, we're saying though, sorry.
You want me to.
We're saying that it's not beneficial for the guy at all.
We agree with you.
We agree that he's going to feel some type of way because men do want to have sex, especially if they know, hey, she's giving away sex.
So, okay, I should have that pass too.
I should be able to play that card too.
But the thing is, is it's not going to benefit her.
It's going to leave her in a worse place.
And she knows that she can't go there because then it'll bring the addiction back up and she'll lose feelings for the guy.
So if I was the guy and I knew that if we had sex, she's going to lose feelings for me.
And I genuinely want to have a relationship with her.
I mean, I'm not a guy, but if I was, then maybe I would pursue her.
I would avoid it altogether.
Yeah, that's why I always avoid women who have past traumas, issues altogether.
Yeah, I'm giving prescriptive advice to men that that's not a woman that you even date.
So you're saying, well, if you really like her, da-da-da-da-da.
Like, sorry, you're disqualified.
Peace out.
A-town down.
Okay, but don't guys also treat women differently?
Like there's women that like you sleep with, like that are casual, and then there's a girl that you take seriously.
You treat both of them differently.
He doesn't casual.
He doesn't do casual sex.
Oh.
I mean, you're saying, so, okay, guys, we'll have two boxes, like the sex-only category and the relationship category.
Yeah.
Like, like, I'm saying, like, in general, though, like, guys also do that, like, where it's, like, there's.
Well, I'll give you an analogy, right?
And it's not clear to me.
I don't know if what you're saying is a perfect example, but for example, here's an analogy, right?
I've actually got a bunch of these.
I'm going to read them because I've got them written down.
So, here's the sort of opposite framing.
These women, they were just for hookups.
So, of course, I brought that.
I bought them expensive stuff and I took them to the best dining places and I even paid their bills.
But you're different from them.
I see you as a potential girlfriend wife.
So, you have to wait for those benefits.
So, let's go to McDonald's and you're paying, by the way.
We'll go 50-50.
But those casual hookups, no, no, no.
I got them.
I took them on vacations.
I did XYZ.
I did all these nice things for them.
They weren't serious, though.
But because you're my potential girlfriend, potential wife, we have to wait for those benefits.
That's so unrealistic.
Why would you relate that to sex, though?
It's totally related to that.
It's an analogy.
Because the analogy is about value.
So he's saying the value that men place on sex, that's why we want it.
What women value is the resources, the allocation of resources, us whining and dining you, showing you ways that you're special, how we're willing to invest in you.
So if we withhold, if we say the casual hookups that we had, we did those things for those women, which is what women value, and then we took you, who we want to be serious with, and we withheld that from you, then how would you feel about that?
Okay, but I'm not talking about how much money you spend.
I'm talking about your manners and how you treat me.
Like, versus like, let's say we're casually hooking up and there's a serious relationship.
You treat both those people differently.
So you don't value resource out.
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Girls, would you date a guy who's been to war?
Who's had a troubled past?
I would bet the answer is no because of the society on vets with PTSD.
It's the same thing with your sex life.
Okay, going around the table, would you date a guy who's been to war?
I would.
Okay.
With PTSD.
Yeah.
Unless he's physically abusive.
I think we should absolutely judge people based on their past, and that's not a bad thing.
I think when you're investing in someone and you're deciding to marry someone, you should know about them, and you have the right to decide whether their past is a deal breaker for you or not.
Whether it's men who have more trauma or women who have sexual history.
Absolutely.
So would you date a guy who's been to war?
I don't think so.
Okay.
I was going to say yes, and then after you said that, I'm like, I don't know.
I wouldn't.
I wouldn't.
Because I wouldn't be able to take on that extra trauma.
You've been to war at the strip club.
Yes.
Yes.
I have.
But I have my own trauma, so I don't think I could take on someone else's trauma.
I don't think I would Okay.
Do you guys fuck with the war?
What?
What do you mean?
Like.
Do they respect veterans?
Do you guys respect that?
Of course I respect that.
Do you guys fuck with the war?
You fuck with the war.
I absolutely appreciate anybody who fights for our country.
I have two brothers in the Navy.
However, I wouldn't.
I honestly wouldn't be with.
Yeah.
Because a lot of the time, you know, guys with PTSD have a lot of anger issues.
And personally, I grew up with a very angry father.
Dad, I hope you're not watching this.
You're a much better man now.
But my dad was very had a lot of anger issues.
And I've just seen how that really affected my upbringing and just everything.
So I don't think I could deal with that.
No.
Do you want me to give you more analogies?
I got some more analogies for you here.
Yeah, that one didn't hit.
She doesn't.
There's allocation.
Let's see here.
So here's the thing.
I'm going to give a bunch of analogies here.
That was a perfect analogy.
You got a guy with manners in there?
A guy with manners.
Okay, so here's one.
Telling your date that all your exes got five-star meals, but she gets McDonald's because you have turned over a new leaf and decided that money has better uses than just trying to impress people.
There's one.
Let's see.
How about this?
Every woman, the man she's going for, has dated in the past, got tons of effort, trips to Hawaii, Paris, Tokyo, personally selected gifts based on her likes, excellent communication on everything she needs to know about, etc.
And now that she gets with him, he decides to be very tight with his money and effort.
No trips further than the target in their local city.
Maybe like a $50 gift card, maybe.
And he just keeps everything from her that might help her understand.
Then when she asks, what's up with him doing so much less for her?
He says, it's because I knew they were just momentary fun.
But I think you might be the perfect partner.
So you have to earn all the effort I normally just give out freely.
How about that?
Does that help at all?
I still disagree.
Here, I got more.
I got more.
I got this.
I got this.
They're written down.
Okay.
Thoughts on this scenario.
You've been in a situationship with a guy for six months.
You really like him.
You want him to commit to you.
But he says he likes to take things slow.
Somehow you find out that the last three girls he had committed relationship with, he initiated the commitment conversation after only three weeks of dating.
How does that make you feel?
Well, the other girl shouldn't concern me.
Dang, she's holding.
All right, here's another one.
I got more.
I can keep, I can go all night.
Okay, she's like a guy on that hill.
I got it says, please and thank you to the women that he dated before, but he withholds it from her.
I got this.
Okay.
I got some more analogies.
Okay.
So making a man wait while her 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 previous partner she slept with on the first or second date is like me going to McDonald's.
Everyone in the restaurant paid $1 for a cheeseburger.
There's three people in line ahead of me.
They all pay $1 for a cheeseburger.
Then I get to the front of the line, ask for a cheeseburger, and the clerk looks at me and says, It's $1,000 for you, sir.
Then don't pay.
Exactly.
Let's see.
I got more.
Or it's more like the McDonald's cashier stating you need a reservation.
Okay, but for Mickey D's?
I'm not forcing them to be in relationships with me or like to wait for me.
No, you're not.
Here's some more.
Okay, so when she understands.
Hold on, wait, hold on.
And when she breaks up with you, divorces you, the next guy is not going to have to wait.
She'll have a rebound within days.
Hours.
Oh, okay.
All right.
Damn.
Oh, also, the McDonald's one with the $1,000 cheeseburger.
That'll be $1,000 for you because I like you the most.
Those other customers were just a mistake.
Anything?
No?
Because you're going to give me some real cool.
How about this?
Oh, let me read.
Madison, can you read this?
I'm sorry, but Puffy Vegas, calm the fuck down.
Your Instagram is fucking weird.
I've listened to this podcast for quite a while, and Jesus Christ, I'm a damn.
Even the other TTS is coming after Puffimus Maximus.
Yo, Puffy, we'll get it pulled up in just a sec, brother.
Oh, God, there's a war going on in the TTS.
Okay, this whole argument, though, is only valuing sex.
Like, she's about sex.
That's what I'm saying.
But it's about sex.
Yeah, but you're like only saying, okay, that she's just worth this one thing.
I didn't say that.
He's going for sex is like gold.
Like, sex is how much we value it.
But there's like time with her.
There's a partnership.
There's like this, that, like, so it would make worth like waiting because it's not the only thing he cares about.
Okay, let me just ask you this.
Do you agree that it's unfair to the guy?
Do you agree that that's unfair?
Because like to the first example, I don't think it's really his business.
I mean, he shouldn't be with me just for sex either way.
Like, he shouldn't care about like the other guy, like how I treated them.
Like, he shouldn't even know how I treated them.
But, like, if, let's say, he ability.
Hold on, we got a.
Can you read this, Madison?
Oh, true.
Do you fuck with the war?
Is she like, huh?
What did you just say?
Huh?
Keep going.
Like, just now?
Yeah, do you fuck to the war?
No, I don't fuck with the war.
I'm like, no, I don't fuck with the war.
That was beautiful, Truth Bomb.
Thank you.
That was like Shakespeare.
That was poetic.
What?
Okay, so let's take it.
Maybe we take it another direction.
Maybe we say, okay, the guy that you're seeing, every relationship he's been, he abused them.
Would you be with him?
Wait, what?
Would your past?
What?
Okay, I got it.
Sorry, go ahead.
I got it.
No, no, I know.
Come on, right?
Because we're talking about past.
So okay, but still.
I'm listening.
Go ahead.
I'm with you.
Yeah, you're hearing me, right?
Yeah, you understand.
I'm following you.
Okay, so he's following.
Anyway, so every girl that he's been with, he's had issues.
He gets angry.
He hits them.
Okay, maybe he doesn't hit them, but he grabs them, whatever.
And he tells you that.
Would you still pursue the relationship?
No.
Why?
Abuse is different.
That's not a thing of value.
But the thing is, it's action, right?
And for you, you took action in sex, and abuse is also an action.
So you're kind of, we're looking at the past as like, what are the things that you have done?
I get like it's, it is a value system.
It's not a good value system to abuse a woman.
But still, a guy will look at your past and, you know, he will decide if he wants to be with you based off that.
I'm saying, like, in general, like, I'm not forcing a guy to be with me.
Like, obviously, like, these like things that like I have, like, these like little boundaries are my boundaries.
And, like, if a guy, like, is actually like, I do believe like there's like that one person for you.
And if he's that one person for me, then he would wait for it.
Like, he would, you know, be there for it.
Does your current boyfriend know about your past?
Yes.
And that doesn't affect him at all.
No.
Well, I mean, I'm just curious.
I was just asking.
I mean, see, so there is a guy that I, you know.
Yeah, I was just curious if he had known and how he felt about it.
Well, we have very different perspectives because he's Turkish.
Like, he was actually raised there, which is very different perspective than, like, if you, like, like, you two, like, would have very different perspectives, like, you know, like as a guy.
But in general, we just, like, don't really talk about it.
Well, okay.
No, um, we, we have talked about it, like, completely, like, once, and it was just like he knew what I went through, so it, as he should, he was more there for me than worrying about if I gave like the guy before him, like, head sooner than him, you know?
Okay, okay, I get it.
Yeah, but I mean, essentially, what Brian was just saying, he was just trying to get you to understand it from the value, value system.
That's all.
Because a lot of women, they don't consider the male perspective.
They're like, why do men?
Well, why, would you only want to have sex with me?
And it's like, no, it's just a principle.
Because in the mind of a lot of men, the first thing we think about, okay, is what have you done with these guys that I have to wait for?
And then there's also, well, I don't want to be graphic, but when we think about women having sex.
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Okay, cool.
So you're from Minnesota.
Only thing I know is that it's cold.
Break it down.
How's it compared to living in LA?
Well, I can't compare them.
They're so different.
You know what I'm saying?
Huh?
Huh?
Somebody from Minnesota here?
It's a song.
Oh, who?
Oh, what song?
Lil Dickie?
Is that it?
Don't show that, Nick.
I have a question.
You see what I mean there?
Yeah.
Yeah, just, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What's your last question?
You probably would have caught it, I think, Nick.
Hopefully, hopefully.
Okay, wait, I have some more analogies.
Great, right?
Great.
Actually, you know what?
No, Q, you were saying something.
Yeah, I was just talking about.
I was saying at the psychological foundation of the male mind with us valuing sex.
When you do that, what you're saying is essentially what Brian was saying.
We're not as important because the thing that we value aren't willing to give it to us.
We don't really care about what you've been through.
We care about the fact that these other motherfuckers got it and I'm not getting it.
That's what we value.
And it doesn't mean we necessarily only want you for sex, but for men, sex is what creates and continues a bond.
So withholding that is something that can obstruct the development of our relationship.
I have a question for you, Q. Let's say you didn't really get a thorough background on a girl you were dating, and you're engaged, or even let's say you're married, and you find out, no, let's say engaged, right?
And you find out somehow it never came up in conversation.
You thought a certain way about the girl, but then she somehow you find out that she'd previously slept with a hundred men.
Are you calling the engagement off?
Yeah.
Me too.
Yeah.
Do you guys object to that?
Do you think that's wrong for us to call off the engagement because she's wrong?
It's personal preference.
It should have been disclosed earlier.
Well, I do agree with you.
I do agree with that.
But hey, some people, I would say the conversations we have on this podcast where we're talking about body count, I hear from a lot of women.
They say, oh, I've never had a guy ask me about my body count.
It never comes up in conversation.
So I assume a lot of these men are dating women.
They frankly don't know.
They don't know.
And a lot of them, it's like ignorance is bliss.
They don't want to know.
But if they found out, so in that scenario, would you object to the guy calling off the engagement, breaking off the relationship?
He finds out she's previously slept with 100 people.
I don't understand why that would affect anything.
Well, we can get into that in a bit, but you object to the guy breaking it off under those circumstances.
I don't think it's wrong.
Don't think it's wrong?
I don't think it's wrong either.
Be honest.
I think, like, I mean, if I was a girl and if I was in the exact same situation, I would kind of call it off too.
Okay.
What about you?
I would call it off.
I would call it off.
Oh, you'd, well, that's not really so much.
Well, okay, fine.
Do you object to me?
The man calling it off.
Maybe you might call it off, but wait, how about a different question?
Without asking what your body count actually is, if a guy found out what your body count was and you guys were engaged, let's assume though, you didn't spend anything on the wedding, right?
So let's not make it that dramatic.
He never asked you what your body count is, but somehow it comes up in conversation and he's like, whoa, I thought differently of you.
Whatever your body count is, right?
And he calls it off.
Would you feel like that was an unfair, unjustified breakup?
My current body count or with can you say that?
Yeah.
Like, are you saying if you're not.
Okay, you're dating a guy, you're dating a guy, whatever your current body count is.
You've been dating him for a year, you're engaged.
Yeah.
He finds out somehow.
Yeah.
Whether you tell him, he finds out from other people.
And he's like, whoa, that's a bit too high for me.
I'm actually reconsidering this relationship.
I think we should break up.
Fair, unfair.
It depends on how high the body count is.
Whatever yours is.
Oh, yeah, no.
I would say, then have fun finding someone with lower.
It's, you know what I mean?
It's there's not that many girls with lower, so no, there's a lot.
But you know what?
I'm not that high.
So I wouldn't say, I would say that he's probably going to have to find a virgin.
Okay.
I disagree.
Okay.
I would respect that person even more, I think.
Okay.
I mean, he dumps you because of your current body count.
I'd be like, oh.
Oh.
Oh.
That's it.
Okay, cool.
Just oh.
Later.
I think I would respect him too.
Okay.
I would just be like, okay, that's your problem.
I would not object to it, but honestly, he seriously should have passed away before the engagement.
I think that's honestly his fault for not doing due diligence to begin with, but I would not object to it.
Yeah.
I think that is fair.
Like, if it is a deal break, like a huge deal breaker for you, then maybe you should ask sooner rather than later.
All of the deal breakers should be asked right now.
How many, like, y'all have been in relationships, right?
Of all the relationships you've been in, how often is it a conversation?
Like, do you disclose, like, you talk about, yeah, I fucked 10 other dudes?
I'd say most of them, but I've only been like ridiculed for having a sugar daddy, but never for how many people I've been with.
Okay, we'll talk about that later.
Thanks, bro, for the prompt.
You're all going.
We wait on you.
I don't think I've never.
I got you.
I got you.
I've never gotten judged for my body count, I don't think.
Or at least not.
The current guy.
Like, at least not to my face.
The current guy that you're seeing.
Does he know?
He knows.
A little closer to the mic if you can.
He knows.
He's cool with it.
Yeah.
And he moved from Turkey to the U.S. to be with you?
Yeah.
Yeah, obviously who would.
Okay, What was the exact question?
I forgot.
What was it?
What did he ask you?
Yeah, what was it?
What was it?
Oh, if a guy found out your body count, would he call it off?
Oh, no, no, no, no.
Have you been asked in your relationship?
Have you ever been asked your body count?
Yeah, yeah, I ask all the really personal questions.
Yeah, I agree.
Agree with what?
With what she said, and yeah.
What did she say?
I don't think you know what the question is, my dear.
Maybe I don't.
Can you repeat the question?
Has a guy ever asked your body count?
Yes.
Okay.
I haven't been asked that.
Yeah.
Yeah, like my ex, yeah.
Okay.
I've never been asked, but I disclose it anyway.
Yeah, it doesn't really come up.
I have a photo that we're going to pull up that is kind of related to this.
The whole waiting.
Can you put us, just maybe get rid of us?
No.
So this is.
See the guy in the suit and the flowers.
It's a Turkish guy.
No.
No, no.
But like, that's kind of what I'm trying to say.
That's how it feels.
Oh, I come along and I'm supposed to be the guy with the flowers and we're going to wait till we're married.
You know what I mean?
Okay, but you're judging me for sleeping with other, like, men technically, but most guys are sleeping with other girls as well.
And as a woman, you are more than welcome to judge men for their promiscuity, but it happens to be the case that I think women are not quite as invested in male promiscuity as the reverse.
You're welcome to disqualify the men you date because of their body counts.
Realistically, though, women typically don't.
So I think just because we're not insecure.
Oh, oh, okay.
We can go into that.
Our standards are different.
Like, we might not, you know, judge a man for his body count, but we might judge him for if he has like a porn addiction or if he's liking other women's pictures on Instagram.
Like, that's fair.
I don't like that.
Wait, so going back to you, though, so you said insecure.
So you think, is it insecure for a guy to care about a woman's body count?
I think that, like, that's like what I would assume.
Because, like, if you're caring about like my past, like, like, who's done what with me in the past?
Then I don't know.
Like, I would just.
Assume they're insecure about what?
Like, just like the other guys.
Okay.
Because, like, I.
I hear this a lot.
And you're not necessarily wrong, but I'm going to add a twist to it.
So what?
What's wrong with a man being insecure about his woman having slept with a whole bunch of men?
Now, that's what I really want to know the answer to, because I get tired of women saying he's insecure, he's insecure.
Okay, let's say you're right.
So what?
Now what?
Yes, I'm insecure.
I don't like the fact that you slept with a whole bunch of men.
I don't like the fact that you were a sperm depository, a cum dumpster.
I don't like that.
So let's say that.
So then what?
Now what?
Now that I've admitted that I'm insecure and that it bothers me because I'm worried about your fidelity, your loyalty to me.
I'm worried about if you're going to fall back into your ways, your habits, that when you were sleeping around with these men, that is going to reveal itself in our relationship.
I'm worried about if you're going to cheat.
I'm worried about all of these things.
Because except with other men.
Yeah, are these valid concerns?
I'm going to cheat.
But did you not sleep with other women?
We ain't talking about me sleeping with other women.
We talk about you addressing the insecurity.
I'm not sure that you would cheat.
I'm just showing him notes.
I have notes from a video he did a while ago.
I did a video about it.
Yeah, you did the video.
Like insecure on all these fronts.
Insecure for this, insecure for this.
Remember?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, remember that video?
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I'm not sure if you're a Puffy Vegas song.
It will be worse than the meth head from the last podcast.
I can't my IQ getting any lower.
I said what I said.
I think Puffy just wants to say that.
Thank you, Wookiee.
Appreciate it.
So did you want me to read it?
Oh, if you wanted to, like, I have the list pulled up if you wanted to look at it because I was on a whim.
Yeah.
But, okay, so I'll read from the list.
Yeah, read from the list.
All right, that's in this.
So, so I had said initially in response to a woman, I went viral for this several times.
She said, why does body count matter?
I said, I'd be concerned about the long-term benefits of dealing with promiscuous women.
I'd be concerned about oxytocin receptors densified to the point where you can't effectively parabond, poor sexual discipline, and You don't receive orga, you didn't receive orgasms from the guys that you dealt with, which means you constantly chase validation because you want an orgasm.
So you constantly have sex with more guys trying to chase an orgasm.
That's the thing that happens.
A hidden STI, increased risk of divorce.
All of those things are correlated to women having higher body counts, not to mention the scientifically rooted perspective of we are repulsed by women with higher body counts because of a phenomenon known as paternity uncertainty, which means a promiscuous woman is more likely to cuck you to have a baby by another man and you don't know about it.
So what's the difference with the man?
Wait.
Like when Amanda says, oh, she wants to know what's the science behind men who have a high body count.
How does that affect marriages and relationships with future women?
I don't think men call women who don't want to date promiscuous men insecure.
Men don't really get labeled, but we don't do that to women.
We don't really have labels.
Yeah, we don't say like, oh, you're insecure because you don't want to date me because I slept with a lot of women.
I'm not going to say that.
We'd probably just be like, okay.
Right.
That's your call.
That's the point.
That's where these conversations.
See, anytime women try to apply the same thing to men, the difference is what women say about men is not the same thing that men say about women.
When the tables are turned, we accept when a woman don't want to date us for whatever reason.
But women will shame us, call us names, say things about us.
Oh, you're insecure.
It's because you have small dick energy.
Yada yada yada.
And that's what we want to know.
What y'all call insecure, I call having a boundary.
Yeah, I agree.
Period.
She says pretty much.
You got more for us?
What you got?
What you got?
No, I actually agree with that.
Okay.
Okay.
Everybody has boundaries.
I mean, yeah.
I actually had some more analogies, by the way, if that would be helpful.
You know what?
I'll tell you what, though, I am insecure about catching herpes.
How about that?
You're right.
If I would say health-wise, like I would be scared.
Okay.
Well, someone who's had more sexual partners is more likely to have an STD, whether known or unknown.
Well, you should get checked after.
Yeah, but somebody who's like, let me ask you a question, right?
So you said it was like, was it a six-month period, a one-year period where you had the 30-so sexual encounters?
Were you getting tested between each of those?
Every single time.
Stop the cap, bruv.
No.
I actually went, I was because I went to UCR.
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I've known thousands and thousands of women, and I've never met one that was faithful ever.
Wow, every minute woman I met is trying to have sex with me.
Right, have the one rate.ps9 inches.
Oh my gosh.
What I don't even know what button to press for that one.
Thank you, Puffy Vegas.
Appreciate it.
We're going to pull it up in just a sec.
Wait, so you're saying you'd have sex with a guy, and then you would not have sex with another guy until you were tested.
Yes.
I'm going to call a cap on that one.
No, but no, I'm genuinely scared for that.
I don't, I don't, because it was my ex, I don't know how to explain it, but he scared me.
So I'm six.
All right.
Okay.
Well, I have some more analogies here.
I'm going to give.
Okay, how about this?
Okay.
Let's say we're dating, and I tell you, I'm not the romantic type.
I don't buy flowers.
I don't do much of anything that would be considered romantic.
That's something that I think should wait until we're engaged or married.
Meanwhile, you are treating me much better than the women I date in the past ever did.
And one day, somehow, you discover that the women I dated before you got flowers, cards, expensive dinners.
And they were women that I've told you were significantly of lesser value than you.
And I cared far less about them.
They were just kind of, you know, these casual flings, and they didn't really matter to me.
How about that one?
Anything?
Anything?
You can communicate.
I don't think you're going to win her over.
I really don't.
Like, I don't know how to explain it better, but.
So, none of those scenarios.
I'm still going to disagree.
None of those scenarios say, okay, yeah, I understand.
None of those.
No.
Oh, my God.
Okay, how about this?
It's like going to a fancy restaurant.
You're waiting in line.
Everyone is paying $1 for a fancy T-bone steak.
And then when it's finally your turn, you're informed that all they have left is a McDonald's burger that will cost you $1,000.
You're then told not to get angry.
You should be lucky that you're paying for everyone else.
That was a terrible.
I'm sorry.
That was not a good one.
Okay.
I don't know how to.
Never mind.
How about this?
It's kind of like, I mean, I would certainly give a woman credit if she was upfront about it.
But what ends up happening is women will sort of like LARP and pretend like, oh, these were always my standards.
And I've always treated men, you know, I've always made men wait.
Lo and behold, though, like, that was never truly, you're basically lying, which is an issue in and of itself.
That was never your standard in the past.
So it's kind of this fraud because the whole point of a woman having a waiting period before she has sex is supposed to be due to her not being someone that gives sex away so easily.
So having a man wait implies that I'm not easy to get into bed.
Okay, but it's kind of thanks to men that we think that way, isn't it?
Think what way?
Like the fact that.
Anyways, does anyone else want to talk?
She's going to die on that hill.
So, I mean, let's just.
I say we just cap it.
No, I'll read one more.
I don't know if I think I've tapped it.
I feel like mine about with a good analogy, but nobody agreed.
I got maybe one more.
Your boyfriend of five years has yet to propose to you.
He tells you he wants to take things slow and he isn't ready yet.
You find out that he proposed to his previous two ex-girlfriends after just nine months of dating.
Anything?
Bueller?
Anything?
If I'm waiting for a proposal and he hasn't given it to me in two years, then I probably wouldn't have stayed in that relationship for two years.
That doesn't make sense, though.
But how would you know what the future looks like?
Because let's say it's been a year.
Then you would break it off because it's been a year and you still haven't proposed.
Would you give an ultimatum?
No.
You don't believe in ultimatum?
I think ultimatums are powerful.
If you actually mean it, though.
Not if you're just using it manipulatively.
Yeah, but most people use it occasionally.
Here we go.
Yeah, but if you stand on that, it can work.
We've lingered on this one for too long.
So hold on.
Let me just.
Last thing here.
So basically, look, it's this.
Women are going to, it's like, I'm.
A woman's position is: I'm going to make you wait an arbitrary amount of time because I want to give you the impression that I'm not quick to give out sex, but in actuality, I am, just not for you.
That's how that's how we're going to view it as a guy.
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Oh, we got, yes, we have to do we were waiting.
We were originally going around.
Oh, really quick.
This is the last thing on this.
We got stuck on you.
We were going around the table.
So, have you ever had sex with a guy kind of early on and then you met a future guy?
Maybe you saw long-term potential and you made him wait.
Sounds like it might have been the case for you.
Like, I've only had sex in relationships.
So, I don't, if there was a guy and then there was another guy, that what about you?
No.
What's the wait?
So, okay, what's the shortest period of time you've waited before hooking up with somebody?
Hooking up or having sex.
Oh, I thought those two were pretty much having sex, yeah.
Um, I'd say like maybe three weeks.
That's the shortest?
Yeah.
I'm not like a one-night stand.
I'm a relationship girl.
You really commit to the whole thing.
All right, with that.
Three weeks.
Okay.
All right.
I made a guy wait.
Sorry.
I made a guy wait three months before I had sex with him.
Have you ever hooked up the guy before that quick?
Yeah, so after my relationship ended, I hooked up with a guy, a guy, very quickly, because I was kind of going through like my heartbreak.
And I didn't know how to manage it at the time.
So yeah, I hooked up and then that kind of like turned into like a very long situationship.
But yeah.
So yeah.
The shortest amount of time, few hours.
Okay, there you have it.
Wait, did we?
Okay, let me see.
Oh, I have to wait till she's back before I pull this one up.
Let's see what else we have.
Wait, where were we?
Oh, the puffy rating.
Well, I got to wait for the girls to come back.
Nick, just do a double check because there's definitely TOS shit on Puffy's Instagram.
I'm pretty sure there's like an ass somewhere.
I think I saw it last time.
Do you see what I'm talking about?
Sorry.
There's a Jordan Peterson.
Actually, there was a previous chat that came in.
Nick, also, I want you to go into the Dropbox podcast videos folder.
Let me know when you're there.
This was kind of related.
So.
It's and then the men folder, and it's called After Dark, Men Are Necessary.
You can load that one up.
Load it up.
Load it up.
And oh, there's also, wait, oh, there's two.
We're going to do two.
Okay.
There's that one, and then there's one that's in the browser.
Fuck.
It was one of the ship videos.
What's that?
Is it also in Matt?
I think it's.
No, no, no, no.
This is not in the Dropbox folder.
It's going to be at the top of the browser.
Okay.
In the videos folder, it's, uh, fuck.
I don't know if I labeled it.
Can you tell me what it got it?
It's this.
Should be this last one or the second one.
The second one?
Yeah, I think it's a YouTube short.
I think.
Or wait, maybe it's IG video?
Just pull it up.
Let me see what you have.
This one?
Show me the other one?
Show me the other one.
Yeah, I got this.
I think it's this one.
Fuck.
Okay, fuck it.
Wait, F11, F11.
Okay.
Sorry, I showed you the controller.
Alright, you want to watch it?
Yeah.
No noise?
Just play it.
That's fine.
Wait, is there no audio in this?
Is this...
Wait.
I guess there's no audio in the video.
Actually, it might be the other video I wanted to.
Wait, let me see if.
Damn.
Look at that.
Okay, there's ships.
This is so out of context.
I'm sorry, guys.
This makes no fucking sense whatsoever.
Do you guys think women should be paid equally to men?
What do you guys think?
Men are doing these jobs.
So.
Yeah.
No.
Like, do you think?
I actually think we should, like, you know, like equal board seats for women.
There should be equal, like, deaths at sea for women too.
Don't you guys think?
Like, equal drowning deaths at sea, like workplace deaths.
Do you guys think we should equalize that?
Like, equality, right?
Like, I'm a feminist here.
think an equal amount of women should die at sea working you guys are you guys also not are you guys like do you hate women?
Are you guys not feminists like I am?
Because I'm a feminist.
I think women should also die at sea.
Because I'm a feminist.
I mean, I would say women are less than a week.
We should each of those jobs because we don't have the same strength.
Are you guys just, you hate women?
Is that what it is here?
Are you guys like misandrists, like those evil red pill guys?
Like, are you just, you guys are just misogynist, aren't you?
Cause you don't want, like, I can't believe none of you are standing up and like demanding an equal amount of women die at sea while working.
I'm not a feminist.
I agree with you.
I'm conservative.
This is really upsetting to me as a feminist here who believes women should also die at sea while working.
The fuck?
Wait, can you pull up the other one?
Not the Dropbox one, but the other one.
I think that was the one I was interested in.
The audio is muted, by the way.
Yeah, I just did that.
Yeah, go ahead, play it.
Alright, the most treacherous sea in the world.
Okay, alright.
Oh, I feel like I didn't save it.
Wait.
Is this it?
No, there's another one.
I thought, is there another one in the folder, Nick?
No, I pulled out all the ones in that folder.
Huh.
Do you guys believe in equal pay between men and women?
I believe in meritocracy.
Ooh.
Okay.
Because, like, I, you know, I think I'm a feminist.
I think we should also be like, you know, having, you know, women on, you know, boats and shit.
You know?
You're just saying that you should tired of women saying that they're feminists.
No, I'm like a feminist.
I would really like to see like more women, like, you know, representation.
I believe in equal representation.
Like, there should be equal debt, like drownings for women.
Like, I'm a feminist, guys.
An equal amount of women should also drown, like, in their line of work.
Press the crickets.
The no, honestly, men do far more dangerous jobs, and therefore, you know, that's why they're getting paid what they do because they're honestly doing the things that women wouldn't want to do and get their hands dirty.
All right, let's play that video.
If you can play that video, Nick.
Yeah, the JP one.
Last one.
Oh, I love Jordan Peterson.
We're going to need audio for this, I think.
Oh, the one comparing the wage guy.
No, you can leave the audio.
Go ahead.
They're struggling with their manhood, and that you give them this message that it's okay to be a man.
It's not okay.
It's necessary.
What the hell are we going to do without men?
Can you make us smaller, Nick?
Can you make us smaller, Nick?
Nick.
Make us smaller.
No, no, no, no, no.
Just make us smaller.
All right, yeah.
Oh, it's good.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, there you go.
There you go.
Look at that.
Alright.
Oh, nice.
Nice.
Okay.
Good times.
That was so hot.
That was.
I don't know if that was.
No, honestly, I love masculine men.
That was like, I got goosebumps.
Boom, that was beautiful.
That was hot.
Yeah.
All right.
That was those of you who are just tuning in.
Somebody requested one of the red pill.
I don't even consider that a red pill, but you know, about men being important and necessary.
Actually, well, do I go around the table on that?
Do we need men?
Yes.
Yes.
Yes, absolutely.
Oh.
Bro, I just laughed because you didn't look at me.
Yes.
Into the mics if you can.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yes.
Good.
That's good.
Okay, we have CJ here.
Misra.
Is that you say your name?
Can you read this one?
Misra.
Misra.
Can you read this one for us?
I'd rather not.
Why not?
Uh-oh.
I'd rather not.
Okay, I'll have you read it, Maddie.
Misra said in the intro that she did OnlyFans and is in between right now.
Her paychatter logged in a few minutes ago.
She's a liar and is defrauding her simps.
I don't believe her addiction claims.
Get the rocks, Brian.
Get the rocks.
Get the rocks.
Abdul?
Yeah.
Get the radio.
Get the rocks.
I'm actually quitting OF and those.
Because you came on the whatever podcast?
I want to claim that the whatever podcast is claiming that victory.
Did you know Nala?
No way.
The Ahigao queen with the red hair?
Yes.
She quit?
She stopped doing OF because of the whatever podcast.
What?
I'm not sure if that's gone?
Wait, Brian.
Probably.
I think we directed her.
She got baptized.
What?
Yeah, she found Christ, I guess, again.
Praise God.
There's a video of, wait, Nick, can you find Nala's Instagram?
She got baptized shortly after her second appearance on the whatever podcast, and I was her spiritual guide to getting there.
So that's a big fucking W for the whatever podcast, and we'd love to add you to also.
Maybe both of you.
Are you going to stop?
Now that you've come back on the whatever podcast, can you just look deep into this camera and be like, hi.
Hi.
My experience on the whatever podcast was so enlightening.
My experience on the whatever podcast is so enlightening.
And I'm now considering becoming more of a whore online.
Oh.
Bail.
That's a fucking 50 DKP minus!
What the fuck?
Was that shit?
Okay, nice.
So you're quitting your OnlyFans because you came on the Whatever podcast?
Sure.
Sweet.
Add it to the resume, boys.
We got it.
How many is that?
Two?
I think three.
Hato the Kid 22 donated $100 Feminism The advocacy of women's rights On the basis of the equality of the sexes Girls how does that make you feel?
The advocacy of women's rights On the basis of what?
How does that make you feel?
His definition of feminism.
One eternity later.
We should be basing it on more than just gender.
Okay.
So Misra, he says something about, do you have a chatter?
Um.
I believe no.
What do you mean you believe no?
Wouldn't that be like a definitive?
No, like, I've quit.
Like, I've told my agency, so no one should be on my account right now.
Should.
Okay.
All right.
Thank you, CJ.
There you go.
Okay.
Junior Soprano.
Oh, he wrote that.
Okay.
We have Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten, starting with you.
Go ahead.
I give my looks an eight.
Okay.
Personality a 10.
Thank you.
Thank you for that addition.
Much appreciated.
That's great.
Wait, am I answering that?
Are you what?
What was the question?
Oh, what was the question?
Well, my dear, if I can direct your attention to the screen right there, ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
So, like, me, my own?
Yeah, your own looks, yeah.
Probably, like, five and a five.
Five and a five, so ten?
Like, no, like five for looks and five for personality.
Matthew, or what do we?
Five for looks, five for personality.
Okay, all right.
I would say eight or nine.
Eight or nine?
Okay.
I would say eight.
All right.
I would say seven and a half, eight.
Okay.
I would say like a seven.
All right.
My husband says I'm a nine.
I agree.
Nine.
All right.
Q, what about you?
I'm going to go with a six.
All right.
I'll give myself a five.
All right.
Ask everyone.
Who said that?
No, it's not a six.
You're like seven point five.
There you go, Q. Here, wait, what if we change it like this?
Stiffmeister.
No.
Okay.
What do you think other people would rate your looks on average one to ten?
So the first question is: what do you rate your own looks?
And this question, after 140 episodes, he's finally decided to add a slightly clarifying question here.
That's not just a self-assessment.
Well, I guess it's a still is, but.
I feel like that's such a hard question to answer because so many people like prefer different things.
Some people don't like girls that are taller than them.
I'm taller than a lot of guys, so let's say a cross-section of 100,000.
On average?
Average.
seven girl you're beautiful i I actually think I will tell you, I think you rated yourself lower than you actually are.
100%.
Thank you.
Maybe you're fishing for a compliment, though.
I don't know.
I would say probably six.
Oh, wait.
So your own self-assessment is five, but you think people on the outside would view you as a six.
Yeah.
Because you said five, and then, but other people will see you as a six.
Okay.
I think probably eight.
Okay.
I would say like a seven or eight.
I would say like at work or just like in general?
In general.
Like an eight, nine.
Okay.
I would say like a six or a seven.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Nine.
Hmm.
Okay.
All right.
No tens at the table, thank God.
I'm not going to linger on that one for too long.
Let's see.
What do we have here?
Okay.
Let's get into some of our pre-show notes finally.
So let's see, Maddie.
Okay.
We talked about, you know, your whole gym thing.
You said that.
Sunka donated $100.
Listen, Brian, first time donation.
Felt like you've been mailing it in lately.
This might be your definitive performance.
Very entertaining.
Keep doing the Lord's work.
Wait, what does mailing it in mean?
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Sounds positive.
What does it mean to mail something in?
Bring it home.
I don't know.
I think it's nailing it in.
Nailing it in?
Oh.
No, I think mailing it in.
What does mailing it in mean?
I know what nailing it in means.
I don't know what mailing it is.
Like, can I email it?
You're putting it in the right place.
What if it's just like a text message?
That sounds more like a text.
So if text, like, is mailing something, like, to mail something that's like you're putting in the effort, like you're doing a good job.
Oh, yeah.
Like, you nailed it.
I would say nail.
I think he meant I think he means male.
Let us know.
I'm pretty sure he means male.
Yeah, okay.
I'm gonna need clarification.
Do you agree?
Brian, do you agree with our ratings?
Let's see.
I only wrote down, I started here because I heard her nine, so I wrote that down.
Hold on, I'm just taking another gander.
I shouldn't have asked that.
Hold on.
I have some makeup wipes here.
Can you guys like maybe remove your makeup and then because like makeup can definitely add like at least one point I'm down?
I'll remove half a dozen for you.
You're not even wearing that much makeup.
No, you're not.
Yeah, you're not.
Or maybe you are.
And it's just like that.
You know, kind of natural makeup.
Okay, cool.
I think you guys were pretty.
There's definitely over-inflated ratings.
I'll say that much.
Okay.
Can you be more specific?
What do you mean?
Be more specific.
Okay.
Fine.
You want me to just come out and say it?
No, wait, wait, wait.
No, no, no.
I'll say it.
No, no, no.
I'm going to say it.
Let's ask them if they want you to answer that too, because I don't know.
I'm just saying something.
Oh, you, okay.
Who's fine with me being honest?
You can be honest.
You already answered.
I already pointed towards you.
I was already pointing towards you.
Well, I was going to say, not a nine.
Not a nine.
You said eight, right?
Hey, you're attractive, girl.
You're attractive.
Eight.
I'll give you a seven.
Okay.
All right.
Here we go.
You're an eight.
Oh, wait.
I said seven and a half.
Yeah, you said eight.
Not an eight.
Seven.
Rude.
I think she is.
Well, then what am I?
Seven and six, six or seven.
You, you said nine.
Sorry, not a nine.
Rude.
What would you call me?
Oh, you want me to see?
Cause I.
Oh.
Huh?
Just go around at this point and tell us all.
Hold on, let me get.
Let me look into the camera over here.
Let's see.
What?
This is awkward.
Six or seven?
Seven, maybe?
Six.
I'd have to see you without makeup.
Maybe seven with makeup, six without.
Maybe.
I don't know what you look like without makeup.
I think I look better without makeup.
I honestly know 99% of the time I don't make it.
You look better without makeup.
Yeah, I'm not.
I'm in the gym.
I don't wear makeup.
You spend money on makeup and you spend hours putting it to look worse.
Actually, actually.
I haven't bought makeup in years.
You haven't done makeup in years?
I haven't bought makeup in years.
I wear makeup.
Oh, you've got that expired shit.
She's got that expired shit.
Okay, once in a great while offering foundation, but like all my eyeshadow palettes, yeah, whatever.
You bought it.
All my brushes, yeah, they're old.
I just washed them.
It's maintenance.
That wasn't really the central argument that I was trying to make, but how do you?
I wear makeup less than 10 times in a year.
I'm proud of you, babe.
And I literally wore it today for you.
Well, for this podcast.
Well, for this podcast, not for you, but for this podcast.
Cool.
I get it.
You're in front of a camera.
You want to look nice.
I don't object to women coming on the show wearing makeup.
If you go to my Instagram, there's pictures of me without makeup.
Do you not like women wearing makeup?
That was the other thing I disagreed with, Brian, on.
Okay, we can.
Oh, let's talk about that.
I appreciate it.
So in terms of women that I'm dating, yeah, I prefer minimal or no makeup.
Well, okay, we can have a conversation about like general makeup usage, but I do want to linger a little bit on you said that you look better without makeup.
Who else said that?
You two?
I don't even wear makeup at work.
Okay, so explain to me why you would spend time putting something on you and perhaps spending money on it if it made you look worse.
That doesn't make sense.
Honestly, I kind of regret wearing makeup tonight.
I don't really like wearing makeup.
Wait, make it make sense to you.
What do you mean?
What do you mean?
I don't on camera.
Oh, you're saying, but the camera will wash your face out.
Right.
And those, like, you know, I have like little dark circles around my eyes.
My husband says it looks like I'm wearing all-day eyeshadow.
He's a sweetheart.
But, and my cheeks are naturally rosy.
So honestly, I'm just wearing the makeup to enhance.
I'm not wearing it to change my appearance in any way.
Like I can say, why do you wear hair gel?
Your hair's not that all.
I put a little maple syrup in it to, you know.
I put a little maple syrup in it.
It's not hair gel.
Get it right.
Whatever.
So you're using something.
Actually, I just use water.
This is just water.
No, it's not.
I swear to God.
No, it's not.
There's no way water's making it sticky.
No, I swear to God.
I don't know if you know Santa Barbara water.
That should be a little bit more.
What kind of water are you using?
I use a little tap water.
I go like this and I. I'll actually see this is true.
I don't know.
Maybe your hair is oily, so that's why.
That's probably why, actually.
Refrigerated, Matty Rude.
Wait, can you get me room temp?
Refrigerate.
It's I want room temp, babe.
Oh my god.
I'm kidding.
Sorry, I'm being sassy.
I'm sorry.
It's like a sassy thing.
Whoa.
I'm in my sassy man era, okay?
But what is it enhancing?
I called her babe.
She's married.
I'm going to get beat up.
I'm just being sassy.
I'm not saying it.
I'm being sassy.
I'm not.
Killy donated $100.
Bring out the wet wipes and see if they're legit or not.
She said she would do it.
Wait, what were we talking about?
Oh, my hair.
Wait, I'm like.
How did my hair come into this?
Yeah, you know, listen, I was.
I don't believe in showering, okay?
Do you have a problem with that?
You got a problem with that?
I don't know.
The let.
The let what?
What's wrong?
What?
Hygienically, yeah.
You don't shower?
I have an issue.
Listen.
You're not showering.
Listen.
I live in the woods.
It's a luxury for me to shower.
De-rinch.
I shower.
I shower.
Huh?
Listen.
I swim almost every day.
I have a little chlorine stiffness in my hair.
Oh.
So it's the chlorine water that keeps it nice and spruce.
But see, you're sprucing.
We're sprucing.
Wait, so okay, what's the argument?
The argument is that we wear makeup to enhance our beauty.
But you said you wanted makeup.
And then the hair gel would be the same thing.
So the argument is hair gel is.
I am wearing makeup for the camera.
Exactly.
Oh.
Well, I put in a little maple.
No, no, no.
No.
Wait, so what's the argument?
I'm just confused.
That you enhancing your hair with product is the same as enhancing.
I actually don't.
I'm being honest.
There's zero product in my hair.
That's like a rule of thumb.
Looks like zero products.
You can wear something.
Even guys wear makeup on production.
There's zero.
There's zero product in my hair right now.
I literally put water in it.
Okay, but have you put product in your hair before?
I haven't put product in my hair since elementary school.
I used to put a gel in it.
No, I swear to God, I've not put any gel.
Gel is disgusting, too.
And then, like, you sweat, and then it's like, uh, I don't put any product in my hair.
Do you do anything to enhance your appearance?
Anything?
I don't understand anything.
Do you do anything that doesn't come naturally?
Like, you didn't wake up like this.
You did something to enhance your appearance.
I mean, I styled my hair for like two minutes before the show.
I just style your hair.
Huh?
I just style your hair.
Are you comparing like it's not?
I mean, look, I'll engage with you.
It's not anything.
Most guys wear gel.
Let me ask you a question.
Do you think that a woman who wears a little bit of eyeliner is comparable to a woman who has lipo, fake tits, and a BBL?
Do you think that's like an equivalent sort of enhancement of your physical appearance?
Like, is that a fair equivalency?
Makeup versus surgery?
Right, so I'm saying the jump you're making is somewhat similar from styling your hair a little bit to putting on a facade.
I think your comparison is like way bigger than what I'm saying.
But it is a you do at least acknowledge that you're making a leap.
Perhaps you do.
I'm making a leap for you because apparently you don't wear hair gel.
I don't.
But a lot of guys do wear hair gel or style their hair in some sort of way or like, you know.
Okay, so let me ask you a question.
Do you think men who style their hair, even if they do use hair gel, is as much of a deception or a fraud or a facade or a veneer as is wearing a full face of makeup?
No.
Do you think that it changes the appearance to the same degree that a full face of makeup will?
Or even some makeup will.
I don't know how crusty is his hair in the morning.
You know what I mean?
Could be a little crusty.
But so your argument hinges on the decree.
The difference is, though, is women are also capable of styling their hair too.
Men typically don't wear makeup.
But that's why.
But we're different.
Right.
Men and women are different.
I would be questioning if a man wore makeup.
What were you going to say?
Sorry.
I'm like, I literally have videos all over YouTube without any makeup on.
Yeah, me too.
Literally.
Okay.
Wait, so what's your objection?
I don't understand what you mean.
No, not you.
Oh.
No, it's about makeup, right?
So what's the argument?
Oh, I'm saying, like, makeup goes back all the way, like, centuries back, right?
It's like always been, it's always been our thing.
It's not like it's not a normal thing for a guy to just like wake up and like throw on a full face.
It's not even normal for me to do that.
Like I said, I do.
Yeah, I agree with you.
Men shouldn't wear makeup.
Yes.
Okay.
But women, we can.
There's nothing wrong with that.
You can't.
Well.
Here is where.
Wait.
Oh, there's a meme, Nick.
There's a meme where it's like, oh, I don't know how you're going to find it.
It's like one person standing facing like a crowd of, it's a cartoon.
Facing a crowd of people, and it's just one person, and there's a little speech bubble, and it says, yes, I disagree with you.
I'm trying to find it.
Maybe I can find it.
Wait, cartoon.
Yes, I disagree with you.
I don't know if that's prompt is going to find it.
Oh, man.
Wait, frick.
Hold on.
See if you can find it, but.
Wait, sorry, I'm kind of blank.
I saw it on.
Oh, shit.
This is not going to.
Wait, sorry.
Okay.
I'll try to engage in the conversation while I'm trying to find this.
So what is it?
what's your no what's your disagreement i don't remember what i said oh Oh, yeah.
That women, it's normal for us to wear makeup.
It's not normal for guys to wake up and wear makeup.
So I'm saying it's a normal thing.
If you see a woman with makeup, are you going to be shocked?
Are you going to be surprised?
Are you going to be like, oh my God, you're lying about how you look?
Right?
And obviously, you can also tell if you look at a woman, is she caked?
Or is she just wearing something that's natural and just flattering?
There's also a difference there of how she's applying it, how much is she applying?
Is she really trying to, you know, hide something?
Does she have like acne or something that she's insecure about?
I can't find.
Oh, actually, wait.
Yes, you are all wrong.
Okay, hold on, Nick.
I'm going to send it to you.
One sec.
Give me just one sec.
I'll address.
I'll address.
Coffee underscore vague.
$100.
Please have the girls.
Shit, we still have time for that.
Okay, we'll do that.
We'll do that in a sec, Puffy.
I'll engage.
Can you pull that up?
Okay.
Just pull up the image.
So this is my view.
This is my thing on makeup, right?
Hmm?
Make us...
Okay, so that's the horde of people who are pro-makeup, and then that's me over there.
Wait, okay, that's not like, ignore the speech bubble.
I don't know.
Is that the original one?
I think there's different varieties, Nick.
You might have pulled up the wrong one.
Yeah, it's here.
Scroll down.
Scroll down, Nick.
It's like here, I'll find it.
I'll find it.
Hold on.
Which one is your one?
Yes, you are all wrong.
Yeah, but I'm just going to send it to you.
Fuck.
Oh, my God.
Just pull down.
Can you just show us the page and I'll just.
It's the me one?
Yeah.
Also, my husband does prefer me without makeup, so I also don't really wear makeup because of that, too.
It's kind of low quality.
Okay, that's me when it comes to makeup.
Okay, so you object to my view on makeup.
What is your sense of my view?
I think that your view is saying that, you know, maybe you think it's unfair that women can wear makeup and we can look all cute, but a guy, you're just, you have to go all natty.
You know, so maybe you're envious of that.
I'm not envious, but they're, so I mean, I have a couple different positions on this.
My first position to address the actual thing that you just said was: there is certainly double standard.
So men are expected to accept women's usage of makeup and not have any objections to it, despite how significantly it can totally transform how you actually look.
Whereas I bet most women who There's no second thought when it comes to applying a full face of makeup.
We'll very quickly judge a man who wears a toupee, who wears a cap, but he's actually bald, who would judge a man for wearing makeup, even though I don't recommend it.
You would judge a man for wearing lifts in his shoes.
You would judge him for doing any sort of comparable or similar deception or fraud or veneer or facade when it came to his physical appearance.
You would certainly judge him.
You would think he's insecure if he were to change, like use something fake to enhance his physical appearance.
Like if a guy showed up to a date wearing a muscle suit or some shit, you'd be like, the fuck?
But women will wear push-up bras or even fake, they'll stuff their bras, they'll wear like butt pads and shit.
You know.
Okay, so I think what are the waist trainers?
I don't know what they, those fucking things are, those things.
Okay, so men are supposed to accept your deception and your deceit.
Whereas that's just literally too deep for me.
It's just makeup.
I could see if it was like loads and tons of makeup, but I'm like, it's just I don't understand it.
Makeup compared to like a butt pad, also.
Right.
Well, I'm just giving it away.
Yeah, I don't agree with the butt pad stuffing bras.
I mean, if you don't got boobies, rock your little boobies.
Okay.
Well, women employ plastic surgery also.
Okay, wait, let's go back to the bottom.
Like if a man got bicep implants, you would fucking think it's ridiculous.
I would especially be like, he's a fucking clown, but you guys are putting that in your chest.
Okay, but you could work out for bigger biceps.
I can't work out for bigger tits.
I know.
That's why you got to accept it.
And listen, I think small boobs are great.
I don't give a fuck about boobs.
Well, look, big boobs are great.
Small boobs are great.
Don't give a fuck.
Okay, but like, see, I'm part of the small city committee.
I agree.
I'm part of the small city committee.
I respect his opinions.
Okay.
And my husband has seen me without makeup many, I mean, for years.
And he prefers me like that.
Or very, very minimal, maybe just a little mascara and like tinted blush or something.
And so that's why I say 99% of the time I don't wear it.
But I don't think there's anything wrong or it's really not that deep if a girl wears makeup because it literally goes back centuries.
Again, if she's trying to, if she's trying to completely, what's the word?
If she's trying to completely modify how she appears with makeup and like change her appearance, then yeah, you know, if she's going out every single day like that, you know, and she's completely covered up, then yeah, I can see that being a facade.
But like you look at a girl, even when she has makeup or not, you'll know she's pretty.
Let me ask you a question.
In all instances, if makeup didn't make you look better, regardless of how minimal the makeup you apply is, if it didn't make you look better in some capacity, why would you otherwise wear it?
Because we enjoy the process.
And when we were little, we had dolls and we played with makeup and we played with our mom's makeup.
It goes back to our childhood.
Just like you played with cars, we played with makeup and dolls.
It's literally ingrained in us to like beauty-related things.
Let me add that to my list of other things when it comes to my daughter.
She doesn't get makeup until she's 18.
I would also argue that your wife would disagree.
Use it as an art form.
I don't care.
Like people that do a lot of makeup.
You know what I mean?
Well, wait, hold on.
Hold on.
She disagrees.
She's not going to.
My wife isn't going to disagree with me on this.
I can guarantee you that.
I don't think you can guarantee something that hasn't happened yet.
Well, I can, I can.
No, I can guarantee it because I mean, the woman who I would marry would probably share my sentiments on this.
Like, I typically, I'm not dating women who cake on makeup.
Typically, the women I date wear minimal or no makeup.
So you have to think about it.
Like, every movie, like, you see, like, the woman has makeup on and she's seen as beautiful.
Even like, you think about like the geishas with like the white paint on their face.
That shit looks fucking terrible.
I'm sorry.
I'm just going to say it.
Okay, but in their culture.
That's dog shit.
You're being disrespectful.
I'm not being disrespectful.
It's not disrespectful to think that that level.
You don't talk crap about somebody's culture.
That's not talking crap about somebody's culture.
That's me.
No, it's not.
Yes, it is.
How is it talking?
I don't object.
Aren't geishas prostitutes?
Okay, fine.
Sorry, Japanese people.
Yes, prostitution is terrible, whatever term you apply to it.
Cool.
Anyways, back to my point.
Hold on.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, one sec.
So I'm not allowed to be critical of somebody else's culture.
No.
Let me ask you a question.
So let's talk about culture, right?
Do you object to the Saudi government disallowing women to drive cars?
Do I object to it?
Do you think women should be allowed to drive cars in Saudi Arabia?
Yes.
Hold on.
You're being very disrespectful.
What if making geisha?
You're being very disrespectful to their culture.
No, what do you think about women who are required to wear hijabs?
I don't really have an opinion about that.
You don't have an opinion?
No, I don't.
I don't really understand the culture.
So let's, and I'm not making a judgment.
Either way, but I'm asking you.
You have no.
Let's say a woman doesn't have the right to dress as she wants in certain cultures.
Do you object to that?
Yes.
Well, hold on.
You're being very disrespectful of Muslim culture.
I'm saying that you're going, oh, that's ridiculous.
Yeah, it looks like I'm sorry.
It looks like clowns.
I don't think it looks, it looks weird.
Okay.
Okay, but I think they're it's like the white cultural white face, okay?
Cultural appropriation.
Well, like Asians, especially Chinese, do the more pale your skin is, the more beautiful.
I'm not going to get canceled for this.
Anyways, is this cancelable conversation?
What?
Huh?
That actually wasn't even my point, though.
What I was just saying is makeup.
You wanted to like virtue signal, Brian.
That's very disrespectful.
First off, let me show some respect to the Japanese culture.
Nick, can you pull up the bowing video?
Let me show some fucking respect.
I actually, you know, my will, this is my future wife here.
Okay, go ahead, play it.
I want to bow.
I want a woman who will bow for me.
I very much, I have immense respect for Japanese culture, for Asian culture.
I want to, you know, get, you know, I'd like a woman to bow for me.
Look at that.
Attentive.
Getting me a drink.
Oh, no, she's wearing makeup.
Right.
She can get rid of it.
That's okay.
All right, look, she's stirring my noodles.
Look at that.
She's great.
Look at the bow again.
Let's get ready for the.
You know the tricks they do for hooded eyes?
What?
I'm talking about to bow.
Look at that fucking bow.
That was huge.
See, I have, I want a woman who will bow.
That's crazy.
Okay, so anyway.
Trying my best.
I have immense respect for the Japanese culture, okay?
I do too.
I mean, aesthetically, I think the geisha look doesn't, I don't like it.
Yeah, I mean, Japanese, I'm sorry.
It doesn't look good.
I don't think it looks that great either, but I'm, but my point was.
Whoa, stop disrespecting their culture.
Rude.
But see, my choice of words were different than yours.
What did I say?
I heard maybe I was a bit abrasive.
What?
That was the only thing I was trying to say.
Was I a little bit prostitutes?
I don't know.
I thought geishas were prostitutes.
Isn't that hold on?
Am I wrong here?
Someone in the chat's like, or sent a chat.
Geisha's.
Geish?
Oh, okay.
I thought.
Okay.
Hostess trained to entertain men with conversation, dance, and song.
What?
Were they not historically known as okay?
I could be.
Hold on.
Okay, I don't know the fucking history on this shit.
Whatever.
Okay, let's continue.
Go ahead.
What?
I don't even know what we were talking about makeup.
Okay.
Can you, why don't you look up on your computer?
How far back does makeup go?
Because it goes back very far and it's like you're trying to put a stop to something that there's really there's nothing negative about it.
Okay, so okay, or war, I already know where your brain's going.
So war goes back very far.
Does that mean that that's a good thing?
We've been warring with each other.
Humans have been warring even before makeup existed.
Does that mean that that's the natural?
Like well, I should say I don't want to use that parallel, I don't want to use the word natural do you think that that means that it's a desirable thing?
I would say that if a woman chooses to enhance her beauty yeah, with makeup, she's not lying to you, she's not being a facade, because you could easily just ask her on a date and ask her to not wear makeup or take her swimming makeup video.
Where I go in on makeup.
I actually oh, I think I added one Nick, it's in the makeup tab.
We'll look at it.
So you said it's not lying and it's not a facade.
So Nick, let me.
I think I showed you the video that I was wanting to pull up.
You got a nick.
You're gonna show an extreme transformation.
So you're gonna.
I am gonna show an extreme transformation.
That's right.
Which one did you want video?
It's a blonde, blonde lady.
I'm pretty sure it's in the makeup tab.
Oh, it's on the tick tocks, so there's like a bunch, and then you want me to pay point right, it's the first.
It should be the, the last tab in the makeup tab yeah, and then, which girl was it I?
What do you mean?
Which one was it?
Because there's like a bunch of.
Well, it's the.
It should be the last one that I added to the makeup tab.
Yeah, that's tick tock.
Wait, you're.
You're getting up and I have to be okay.
We'll have to put a pause on on the.
Okay, did you find it?
He's okay?
Do you need to go and then go really fast?
Okay okay okay, Alright, it's kind of interrupting, but alright.
So, you wouldn't date a woman who wears makeup depends how much.
Preferably, minimal or no makeup, though.
So, why would you be concerned about other women wearing makeup?
Frankly, I don't give a fuck.
You can do whatever you want, but like, if we're having a conversation, if we're trying to have a conversation about it, like my view on it is that it is deceptive.
Yes, and you can dance around it all you want, but if it didn't change your appearance for the better in some capacity, you wouldn't wear it.
I wore it because I'm on camera as of today.
Do you think, yeah, but let me ask you a question: What?
Okay, I'll engage that.
So, do you think most women who wear makeup only do so when they're on camera?
Like, you know, women who go to school, go to work, who are never on camera.
I'm just talking about myself.
Right, but I'm not.
This conversation is not strictly about women who are invited on to podcasts or on videos.
What is your question again?
I'm sorry.
What is your question on this?
He's saying that makeup is deceptive, and he'd prefer a girl with no makeup or minimal makeup.
I know you guys are probably all super triggered by this.
Just say, go ahead, say.
I'm not triggered by it.
I'm anti-makeup.
I'm sure you guys are very against that.
I would say that like wearing a lot of makeup to knit.
I got a video to trigger.
What's that?
I got a video to trigger.
Here, while I read.
Maddie, can you read this chat here?
Hold on.
This one.
Mailing it in.
To deliver a performance without commitment or effort with lackluster results.
That is what that means.
But Brian is awesome, so I don't get why anyone said that about him.
Ignore the haters, Brian.
They are jealous of your success.
Yeah, I thought it had a negative connotation.
What?
But then the comments seem so positive.
Yeah, I know.
That's what confused me.
Maybe it's like normally.
I was confused by it, but not yet.
I don't think so.
Nick, do you have the video?
It's a blonde woman.
Can I just show you the tab of the TikToks?
Yeah.
You can even drag it over here so I can see it.
You don't need to minimize that.
Or actually, yeah, you do.
Okay.
Hold on, guys.
We're getting it pulled up.
Nope.
Okay, here.
No, no, no, leave it there.
Leave it there.
I'm going to direct you.
Okay.
Makeup tab.
I think it's the top, the one above it.
No, no, no.
Nope.
Nope.
It's the second to last.
Nope, second to last, second to last.
Like down here?
Yeah.
Can you click it so I can make sure?
Can you click it?
Yeah.
Yep, that's it.
Okay.
Here, just bring it over.
Okay, so we're going to look at this video.
This is a pretty substantial transformation.
I don't think it's like one of those super extreme ones.
I've seen some really extreme ones.
Go ahead.
Audio or no audio?
No audio.
Let's go ahead.
Damn.
That's too fucking much.
Now play it again.
Play it again.
Okay.
Actually, hit pause.
Hit pause on that.
Go back to the very beginning.
Don't play it.
Let's see her face.
Okay, there.
Now, scroll.
Just scroll to the very end.
Or just put it at the very end so we can see the nope.
I'm sorry.
That's fucking an insane transformation.
That is.
Do you deny that that's totally different?
She looks totally different.
Beat her face.
It looks good, though.
Tell Nick to pull up.
Tell Nick to pull up my makeup.
Yeah, Nick, can you pull up Q's?
Did you send it to Instagram?
It's in the DM.
But you can kind of tell if a girl's wearing a lot or not.
It's in the DM.
The girls are silent because they know it's true.
I said something.
A full face and like slight makeup.
Yeah, you can tell.
I'm not going to categorize this a whole lot.
Do you admit?
So if I can admit that that's like a pretty extreme transformation, can you admit that it's a scale?
Yeah.
So like perhaps like it's not all the way over here, but maybe it's in the middle, right?
And so it's enough to create a from if we're talking about dating, right?
It might be enough to be like, oh, she's a no, but like the makeup could put her over into the like, I think she's attractive.
Yeah.
Okay, deception.
Boom.
Checkmate.
You could also work out and look a lot better, too.
I agree.
And actually, it's funny to me, these women who are who's like, you'll see like a woman who's overweight or obese spend time putting on makeup.
And I think you'd be much better suited by hitting the gym.
But what's easier?
I agree.
That's a very good point.
Makeup, you can instantly transform yourself.
You can instantly add one, two points to your attractiveness.
Yeah.
They don't want to put in that sweat equity.
Do you have the video?
Oh, oh, it's Q.
It is me.
Oh, shit.
I think there should really be limitations on how much makeup women can wear.
I mean, this shit is sorcery.
It's deception.
It's manipulation.
It's catfishing.
Women give themselves a whole bunch of features that they don't have.
Y'all give y'allselves eyebrows, y'all don't have cheekbones, y'all don't have lashes, y'all don't have lips, y'all don't have skin, y'all don't have.
And then when y'all take it off, y'all look smeared.
I've never seen human beings look like you drew them on a piece of paper and then you just erase all the most prominent features in certain areas and that's what you're left with.
But that's how y'all look.
A lot of y'all be looking sickly without it because you wear it so much and you wear too much of it.
Y'all be looking like y'all either have a severe cold, the flu or or the suds.
That's legit a turn off.
When you meet a woman, you see her face.
That's what you're attracted to initially, that face that you see when y'all have on this makeup and then you take it off and we realize that that's a whole made-up face that you just put on top of what that is under it.
That's scary.
How the fuck is that not grounds for prosecution?
Y'all should be subject to legal action.
I think there should, but you're just going dude.
That's So bad.
Wait, can I ask you to do that?
He wants to criminalize.
Q, you can criminalize women.
What we just saw was grounds for what I just said.
Okay, okay.
That fits the criteria for that.
That's exactly what I'm excited about at the end of the day.
It should be a crime.
You should go to prison.
Can I ask you something?
I'm kidding.
In that video, was there a filter on your face?
The original filter.
It's called the original filter.
Still a filter.
It's called the original filter.
It kind of smoothed out your face.
It smooths out your skin.
Yeah, but it's called the original filter.
You should have robbed that video so we could really get the essence of your message.
That's not makeup.
That doesn't undermine my message either.
Nor does it make it a little bit more.
That's kind of what makeup does to us.
It smooths out our face.
It gives y'all the face y'all don't have.
If that filter gave you the smoothness that you don't have.
I don't have that smoothness.
No, you have smoothness.
Oh, okay.
Thank you.
I appreciate it.
There we go.
No, you just said it.
Okay, so not to that.
So then there's no difference.
You tried it, but it's not really a difference.
No, I did it.
I didn't try.
No, you tried it.
No, because you wore a filter and your message is literally to be unfiltered.
At the end of the day, at the end of the day, makeup is sorcery, like I say it.
So are filters.
We should get rid of filters then.
We should get rid of filters.
We should get rid of it.
We should do a lot of videos without filters.
Yeah, so you should have done it without a filter.
I'm just saying to really get a whole essence of your message.
You should have done it without a filter.
No, I think they got the gist of it.
It got enough likes.
It went viral.
I got you, though.
I kind of like it.
There's certainly a difference, though.
When, for example, could we make this argument of like, let's say someone's involved in a theatrical production and that person's a male.
And in the theatrical production, typically they apply eyeliner even to men.
They'll put on makeup, not even to change your face, but they do apply makeup in a theatrical production.
And we can almost extend this to, for example, you know, somebody who's creating content online or involved in a film of some sort.
Now, I don't think Q using a filter in a non-romantic setting, like what I'm making an argument from these are women who we're choosing to date.
These are women who we see on dating apps who are using filters, who are wearing makeup.
When we go and meet them in person, they're wearing makeup.
If, you know, if we're meeting organically in person, say, you know, at a not that I recommend bars or nightclubs, but say you meet a girl at a bar or nightclub, she may very well be wearing a full face with makeup.
So I don't think it's a totally fair comparison because Q was using a filter to like when he meets a girl on the first date, there is no filter.
Exactly.
He's not wearing any makeup.
Whereas if he meets a girl on a date, she's probably wearing makeup.
But that's the thing about online, right?
It's like you don't like, we don't always see the raw footage when it's online.
You know, the funniest part about all this, my husband's probably at home laughing, going, I agree with you, Brian.
Because my husband's not a fan of makeup either.
Maybe not to your degree.
He likes when I wear a little bit here and there, but he does prefer me without it.
I just don't get this whole like, I'm sure, like, okay.
If makeup didn't improve your physical appearance in some way, if it didn't do that, you wouldn't wear it.
You already made that point.
And I said we enjoy the process.
We enjoy the process.
We enjoy how it makes us feel.
Like me, when I'm like doing, if I do my makeup, like I said, I do it like literally less than 10 times a year.
So when I, but when I do it, though, it's kind of like when I'm doing my skincare, it's like I enjoy that time.
Maybe I put a podcast on.
Maybe I put some music on.
I enjoy the art of it.
Like being able to go, hmm, what kind of look do I want today?
You know, it's nice.
It's fun.
It's, it's enjoyable.
Okay, that's that's totally cool.
Your motivations aside.
If we're speaking within a dating context, whatever your reasons for doing it may be, like, it is deceptive.
But don't we all do that on the first date?
Like, don't you want to put on your best look on your first date?
Like, you're going to wear a shirt that, like, complements your shoulders.
And, like, you don't know about my first date.
I would assume that you put in sweatpants.
I'm wearing sweatpants and the flannels.
Maybe you wear like extra nice cologne.
Oh, I don't wear cologne either.
And I'll tell a girl, don't wear perfume.
That shit smells disgusting.
You're a bit extreme.
But I'm high maintenance.
You're a bit extreme.
I would say you're low maintenance.
Technically, because I'll be.
I'll tell a girl, but don't wear perfume.
I don't know, man.
It doesn't smell.
I don't like the smell.
Okay.
That's a different conversation.
that's different um but again you should wear deodorants fine I wear deodorant, but cologne, no, that.
I just honestly think if you look at a woman, whether she's wearing makeup or not, you can, for the most part, like, again, that example is really extreme, but for the most part, you can tell, like, okay, this woman has natural beauty or not.
Like, if you look at me right now and go, I don't think you'd be pretty without makeup.
I think that you're delirious.
Well, that's not what I'm arguing, but see, it's like trickery.
It's deception because we make like snap instant assessments that are subconscious even about somebody.
Oh, are they attractive?
Are they not attractive?
Now, if we take like a decent, like a look, you know, we can sort of start sussing out.
Okay, she's wearing makeup.
But, I mean, again, we should.
But, like, no amount of makeup can make a woman just go from like but ugly to.
He just showed you one.
Okay, okay.
But honestly, she was being a bit dramatic.
Like, she was like, oh, making a funny face and she didn't have her hair done.
And she was being a little bit dramatic.
She was really showing her worst angles.
Like, if you do a video and it's like your worst angle and you're like making a double chin and you're like doing all this crazy stuff, like, yeah, you might not look.
If you put her, if without the makeup, you put her, if you do it before and after, exact same angle, lighting, face, exact same, it's night and day difference.
Yeah, some women, they go like OD.
I get it.
But nothing is.
Let's play the dentures.
Can you get find the, it's in the makeup tab.
There's the dentures video.
That one's pretty crazy too.
So, I mean, you know.
Yeah.
Look, here's the thing, right?
The makeup industry is a, I looked this up.
The global cosmetic industry is a $500 billion year industry.
It has a vested interest in keeping you essentially slaves to the paint, as I call it.
You're slaves to the paint.
You're going to fight for, you're basically, this is like some, I'm not going to do the matrix thing.
You're going to defend it because, you know, you're beholden to the paint.
I wouldn't say I'm beholden to the paint because I don't really wear it, but I know a lot of women do, and I don't think there's really anything like that.
The makeup industry, the cosmetics industry.
If you're going to be in a relationship with her, you're going to see her without makeup.
Eventually, you're going to see her without makeup.
Okay, let me ask you guys a question then.
Would you object to a man breaking up with a girl if, say, they were dating for, they've been on 10 dates, and then he didn't see her without makeup until the 10th date.
And then he's like, whoa, this woman is not as attractive as I thought she was.
Fair or not fair to break up with her.
I think it's fair.
Fair.
Oh.
It's fair.
Don't let me bully you just because I'm very convincing.
Don't let me bully you into a position that you don't actually hold.
I mean, no, I think it's fair.
Yeah, if you're not attracted to someone anymore, you're not attracted to someone anymore.
Let me ask you: what about this?
Do you think that on dating apps, women should include at least one photo of themselves without any filter or makeup?
Yes, yes.
Yeah.
That seems fair.
And I do.
That seems fair.
Nick, do you have the video?
Go ahead.
No silence.
Just play it.
Yeah, we don't need some.
She's on no teeth.
Nice body, though.
Whoa.
It's a pretty big transformation.
I mean.
And this is like, play it one more time.
Oh, look at all those recommended videos for the whatever podcast.
Once again.
I mean.
I don't, like, you might want to claim that that's glam.
I actually think that that's like.
Scam.
I think that a lot of women would do that amount of makeup.
A lot of women.
Like, I don't think that's a crazy amount.
It's like full face, right?
But I don't, like, you'll see, you'll meet a girl at a club wearing that much makeup.
You'll meet a girl in person wearing that much makeup.
Yeah, with extensions and everything.
Yeah, with all that.
I'm just saying.
Yeah, but it's extreme.
Like, some guys like the full glam look.
You know what I mean?
So it's like, teach their own.
Hey, teach their own.
Do you think that's fair if a woman gets with a guy and he had like a full six pack and then he gained 50 pounds?
And she's like, you know what?
It's a bit different.
No, but I'm just saying.
Because that's really what you're working with, right?
As a guy.
Would it be fair for her to dump him?
Yeah.
Yeah.
If she's not physically attracted to him anymore, it could be evidence of some sort of he's not being disciplined.
He's lazy.
The circumstances of the initial physical attraction could change.
She's within a right to break up with him.
Honestly, I think it's not.
She also might not care.
She might not care.
If you're going on a date with a woman and it's like, you know, you only go on a date or two and you've only seen her with makeup.
Okay, this is not really going to affect you.
But like if you get into a relationship, then obviously you should see her without makeup.
And then at that point, you can make an assessment that you want to make.
But I don't think you should, you know, deem women as like sorcerers because they decide to wear a little bit of mascara and a little bit of blush.
Like, I don't think that's ever a negative thing.
Okay.
Well, the thing is, though, is that when I was on dating apps and I no longer am, I mean, I can't tell you the this wasn't just a rare thing.
Every single profile, like I could pull up, I think I still have, like, I don't use it, but I still have like one of the dating apps.
I think I've, it's connected to Facebook or whatever.
It's the Facebook dating.
I could like pull out my phone and we could swipe together looking at the women.
The first photo you're going to see, it's 99% of profiles filter or makeup or both.
And then maybe some of them have a photo that's not them in makeup or not filtered.
But there will be more than, I would argue, more than 50%, their entire profile is filter and or makeup or both.
So this is something that's very like women, you don't really, I mean, look, there's dudes on dating apps, I guess, who use filters.
I think it's much less common than women, but it's like every single profile, every single photo.
I don't know what you actually look like.
And I've experienced it in person because I've went out with a lot of my followers.
I'm not going to lie about that.
And the girl I see that I'm following and the girl that shows up, sometimes I don't even realize it's the same person.
So it's not the same level of attraction that I have when I see them, when I'm following them, and then I meet him in person.
It's completely different.
So that's what we're saying.
Like, y'all saying, oh, it's not as profound as we're making it, but when you actually experience it, it occurs pretty often.
No, like you ask me.
I honestly think, like, I do agree that the extreme measures is sorcery or scam, as you would say.
But would you have an issue with a woman who's already very beautiful and decides to wear natural makeup?
Bender the offender donated $100.
That's a good question, buddy.
He has a question.
Who created and socially enforces the current beauty standard for women?
Starting with you, go ahead.
Starting with you?
Starting with me?
Oh, I was asking him a question, but it's fine.
Who created and socially enforces the current?
I don't know.
I can't answer that.
I don't know.
Let me ask you a question.
So, well, it's kind of changing now, but if you had to point to an individual who has probably been responsible for a large swath, large swaths of women getting breast implants, lipo, and BBLs, a famous woman, or famous person, who is that individual?
Kim Kardashian.
Checkmate.
No, I want to answer that.
He's saying that he's saying women create.
He's answering the question.
He's saying women create.
Men don't ask for your fake nails and your lip filler and your caked on makeup and your fake tits and your BBLs.
We don't ask for that.
So, in other words, it's not sexual competition.
We're not asking for that.
But to answer your question, what would you say you said if I have a.
So my question was: like, would you have a problem if you were, say, dating a woman who's already very beautiful naturally without makeup?
But here and there, she decides to wear natural makeup when you're going out.
Maybe it's like socially.
Like, do you have a problem with that?
I've been in this situation plenty of times.
And honestly, I don't have a problem with it, but my preference is still for her natural beauty.
Check my channel.
Yeah, I don't have a problem with it, but my preference is I prefer lip gloss.
Wait, how's that?
Because he just agreed that there's no problem with natural makeup, and that's what I've been advocating for: natural makeup.
I do have an issue.
Natural makeup right now.
I'm a little spruced up.
This isn't normally how I would wear makeup if I were to.
I would ditch the eyeshadow for sure.
Like I said.
The last girl I was seriously dating when I first met her, she wore makeup a lot.
And then when I seen her naturally, you know, she started not wearing it because I was like, I don't, you look better without makeup.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
And then there's been women who don't wear makeup.
And as soon as they put it on, I actually think they look worse with makeup than they do without it because I've gotten so used to seeing them without it.
And their natural beauty is what I'm accustomed to.
So when they put it on, I'm like, what the fuck?
Like, what did you just do?
Not all women know how to wear makeup either or know how to apply it.
But my point is that, you know, if you think she's beautiful either way, then you're not going to have an issue with it.
Maybe not as much as Brian.
Okay.
Not as much as Brian.
I think Brian's a bit more extreme.
But I understand, but I understand what he's saying.
I did hear you say as I was walking to the restroom that you would date a woman who wears a little bit of makeup or something like that.
Me?
Yeah, I think I heard you say that.
You said it depends how much she's wearing, right?
My strong preference is to date a woman who wears minimal or no makeup.
Yeah, so if she's wearing a bit of eyeliner, honestly, anything that goes on your face, don't like it.
Don't like it immediately.
If you're wearing a bit of mascara or eyeliner, that's not the crime of the century.
I don't like lipstick.
Gets on me, don't anything that can get on me.
It's a preference I don't like.
It's a preference because some guys do like makeup some right, because they want to take the blue pill.
They want they ignorance is bliss.
But just just because they like women with makeup, because it doesn't negate the fact that they still like the woman without makeup, they want to believe the lie.
They because they can trick their mind into thinking that you're more attractive than you actually are.
Okay, so my husband's Asian right.
His hair is flat, like straight and flat, but when he puts it up it just does something to me.
I just like when his hair is up a little bit.
So when he puts his hair up, that's not equivalent.
Facial changing.
Facial attraction is is something totally different than it does.
It changes his look.
Yes, it does change his forehead.
His like forehead's cleared out.
You know, I like it and and and to me it's a significant change.
To me it's it's significant, but but that's his actual hair.
That that comes down to styling it's.
These are my lashes.
Okay, look I.
It ultimately comes down to, by wearing makeup, you're depriving us of making an informed decision about your true attractiveness.
I don't deprive anybody.
They see me without makeup.
A lot, right.
But like okay, if you are, let's say you're going to a party where you anticipate meeting a guy and you want to uh, you know you're single, ready to mingle.
You're wearing a full face of makeup.
Well, you are changing your physical appearance and men are not able to like, especially if it's dark.
You know, throw in some alcohol.
You, you're certainly like, by wearing makeup, you are changing your appearance.
I suppose men are so oblivious that they don't really notice like, what she's wearing or what product she's wearing.
And you're kind of debating on a topic that maybe you don't really understand, makeup as well as women do.
So like, we know, we know what we're wearing.
Yes, maybe you don't know exactly what we're wearing right, which adds to the, which adds to the deception and the facade.
Sure I, like I said I and I would argue, if you're going extreme, then yeah that's, that's doing too much.
And and I would argue, i'm actually I have a fairly good assessment of you know, looking at a woman, being able to assess if she you know her degree of makeup usage.
But like, take an 18 year old, 19 year old guy who's naive, who maybe doesn't have a lot of dating experience, who doesn't even know that you know what to really be looking for.
He might get bamboozled yeah, he might, and he's a sucker and he'll learn right.
So it's a trick.
It's a trick, it's a deception.
You can also find ways to trick a woman absolutely, and it's wrong.
How about this?
Let me ask you a question.
So would you like to know before?
Like, here's the reality, right?
Most women like men with a full head of hair, agree or disagree?
Panel agree, agree you like a man with a full head of hair, right?
I think Andrew Tate looks really good bald.
Some men can look loose pussy, energy donated, 100 W, disgusting 304sby catfishing and busted gremlin looking motherfuckers without makeup, extensions and wigs.
Gremlin looking I will take my makeup off right now.
I don't care.
Get the rocks.
Hashtag Brian is 9th body at 19.
No, here you go.
Here's some Neutrogena makeup remover.
There you go.
I don't like Neutrogena.
Go ahead.
I prefer Avon.
And you have to hold up the wipe so we can see how much comes off.
No, I'm going to take it off and then you're going to lower my rating just to be rude.
No, I'm not going to lower your rating.
Yes, you will.
No, I'm not.
You just said you won't.
I just said I won't.
Take my word for it.
Okay.
Okay, she's doing it.
Has this ever been done before?
I've never done it before.
Really?
Yeah.
I've never seen that.
Any other girls want to, you want it?
You want to do it?
You said, hold on.
Yeah, you.
You pull my videos up, actually.
You said taking off my makeup.
You said you look better without me.
Pull it up.
Am I getting paid?
No, no, no, no.
Wait, she said she was going to do it.
Yeah, actually, if they change the terms and say...
You just said you would do it.
Now you want to take it.
Why would I pay you to take your makeup off?
You're trying to make a point by saying, oh, I don't look that wrong.
Fine.
I don't care.
I will take one to go, though, because I need to take one to go, though.
I travel here.
I'm all out.
Sorry.
All right, let me read a couple chats.
I think I'm going to need more than one.
Oh, I'll give you more.
Because I have to do it.
I have to do it very thoroughly.
Brian, Islam doesn't force specific items or style of clothing.
Hijab means barrier of modesty and his guideline.
Enforcing it isn't an Islamic law.
It's a cultural issue in a few select countries.
Okay.
I'm just doing this blindly.
It's not that great.
By the way, just to be clear, I wasn't taking a position on cultural positions in these various countries.
I was just countering her argument to her accusations of me being culturally disrespectful.
Antenna boy.
Oh, don't throw, by the way, don't throw out the wipe.
You said you need more, right?
I might need more.
Okay, please don't throw.
I want you to bring back the wipes.
It's like right here.
You have to bring back the wipe.
You want me to throw it here?
I'm throwing it.
Catchers pull some of them.
Bring back the wipe so we can hold them up to the camera.
Okay.
You're done?
Yeah.
I took half for you.
I mean, there's probably still a lot more on your face.
I mean.
A half.
You what?
Half.
Where's half?
Half.
Off.
On.
There's more.
Damn.
Even on camera.
I'm doing the other side.
No, you're doing this.
I'm going to do it uneven.
It's awkward.
Good, good talk.
Okay.
We have antenna boy.
Believing makeup is deception, trickery, and blasphemy.
Didn't say that.
Just sounds like some incel shit.
Literally, nothing wrong with a woman trying to make herself look her best and enhancering her beauty.
It really ain't that deep.
Yeah, that's cool.
But like, keep that same energy, ladies, for dates when a guy shows up with a cap and actually he's bald.
You're telling me you wouldn't feel a little bit deceived.
If he's bald.
Be honest.
Sure, but I think men care a lot more about looks than women.
I actually disagree with you.
Really?
I think women care ways.
Which is more visually stimulated by looks.
I think women will date a guy who's not like their type, but men won't like date or marry a woman who's not their type.
For the long term, and he has to overcompensate in some way.
I don't know.
He can be less attractive, but he has to be more attractive in other areas to make up for the fact that he's not as physically attractive.
I think women care way more about looks than men do.
And here's why.
Here's a couple of reasons why.
What do you guys think?
Like, I'm not alone in this, right?
I think women care about looks, but in a sense of, how do I say that?
Like, I don't know how to, like, exactly say this, but, like, I think it's more of like.
Show us the paper.
Show us how much got.
Hold it up to this camera here.
That's actually so little.
Yeah, right.
See, that, I mean, I can see it on the piece of paper.
And there's, you could probably take off more.
And granted, I think you said you're not wearing all that much.
Wait, so what was your point?
I was just saying, like, women usually wear makeup, like, for other women.
Like, it's usually not for makeup.
No, no, we were saying who cares more about looks.
That was the conversation.
But I know, but, like, the point of makeup is, like, isn't that, like, the topic?
But you said that, well, men care more about looks.
And I countered.
I actually said, well, actually, I think women care more about looks than men care about women's looks.
I'm agreeing with you, though, but I'm just like for.
I'm confused.
Well, really quickly to address antenna boy here, nothing wrong with a woman trying to make herself look her best.
Okay, well, there is something wrong with it if it's changing your physical appearance to such a degree that a man would feel deceived.
It really comes down to that.
Now, listen, here's the reality.
It's socially acceptable.
makeup is socially acceptable i feel like you it's a socially It's a socially accepted lie.
It's a socially accepted lie.
Yeah.
But you're arguing the most extreme case of makeup.
I'm not, though.
Like, all of these girls here today are wearing maybe a little bit of makeup, but it's not.
I don't think so.
I'm here in 4K, and nah, not really.
I mean, compared to the video that you showed, like, none of this is full glam or full.
You know?
Sure.
I don't know.
I feel like it's not really deceptive.
Anyone here, and this is.
Do you want to take your makeup off?
No?
Okay.
Okay, I'm trying to oh Like, the average woman, the average woman that you see in the street at the grocery store out, like, we're not talking about at a club, but the average woman that you're seeing out, you're at Whole Foods.
Okay.
They're not wearing a full face of makeup.
Cool.
Okay, so you're arguing for an extreme.
No, I'm not.
Because if I download a dating app right now and you sit next to me and I'm swiping on Tinder and we're looking at the first photo that comes up, I guarantee you 90% of the first photo, it's going to be full face of makeup.
And then perhaps it's a lower percentage of the entire, every single photo in her profile.
She's wearing makeup.
So I don't know what she actually looks like.
Okay, that's fair.
But with the whole thing with women caring about looks more than men.
Yeah, that's what I really want to talk about.
Then why do you see unattractive?
I feel like more commonly I see unattractive men with more attractive women than you see the opposite.
No, because women are generally slightly more attractive than men.
Yeah.
Scientific fact.
Yes.
Women are generally, yeah, women get, women are rated higher than men are rated.
Yeah.
Women are generally slightly more attractive than men.
Y'all are supposed to be the pretty sex.
Y'all are supposed to be.
It's kind of the way we evolve.
That's kind of more women's realm, too.
If there's an entire industry, the beauty industry, and let's say like the consumer base of that industry is 90% women, and you're going through, you're spending this money and going through this effort to make yourself look more physically attractive, then that'll just naturally end up bolstering your physical appearance.
Okay, so I took my makeup off.
You're still wearing makeup, but it's okay.
Did you save it?
Hold it up to the camera.
Hold it up to that camera.
No, she's not.
Hold it up to her.
What makeup am I wearing?
There's still a little lingering.
I think I see a little lingering.
I'm not saying, look, you took most of it off.
Do you understand?
Hold it up to the camera.
Hold it up to the camera right there.
I think you look like the same.
Wait, I still look beautiful.
Hold it up to the middle.
Did my rating go down?
Hold it up to the camera.
Okay.
Hold it up to the camera.
Where's the other one?
You said there was two.
Go shoot.
I only used one.
I didn't open it.
The seal is still intact.
Give it back.
Thank you.
I should have threw it at you like you threw it at me.
I gently tossed it to you.
And you caught it.
Congrats.
Yeah.
Okay.
So what's your question?
Did my rating go down?
I told you I wasn't going to rate you.
That was my condition.
I did not go through all of this work.
Do you know what?
Well, I'll actually give you this.
I tend to think women look as good or sometimes better without makeup.
I think you're an attractive woman with or without makeup.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Okay, really quick to adjust the whole women caring more about looks.
Okay, so here's my view on this.
And you guys are feel free to weigh in.
So I think women care a lot, a lot, about things, physically speaking, that are totally outside of a man's control.
Things like height.
You could even, I mean, height, hair.
And if a man's balding, that's really out of his control.
Penis size, physical size.
And then we can also talk like race, skin color.
That's a component too.
Women are far less likely to, men are more likely to, or more willing to date outside of their race than the reverse.
And perhaps the, I think the solely, there's stats on this.
I haven't committed them to memory.
But men are more likely to date outside of their race.
So there are more things out of our control that are a really big deal for women, oftentimes deal breakers, than the reverse.
So like I said, height, whoops, there's height, there's balding, penis size.
That's out of our control.
Whereas the things we care about when it comes to your looks, aside men who have like a very, very, who care about breast size, which ass size women can control to some extent through exercise.
Really the primary thing that, you know, in terms of you can control when it comes to your weight, weight, women can control.
Height, we can't control that.
So that's why I think women care more about looks than men do.
Yeah, I'd say men care more about looks for women, and I say women care more about, like, Many and stuff like that.
You know what I mean?
I feel like all that stuff kind of blows over depending on how you're literally wearing a t-shirt that says size queen.
This is for my gay sister.
This was a gift to her, and I'm wearing it in spirit of her tonight.
A size queen is a woman who wants a big dick.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm also manifesting.
So, yeah, clearly you want a guy.
Okay.
Penis sizes.
How big of a peen do you want?
The thing is, is like if you look at all of my old videos, if you look at my stuff pinned on Twitter, like my ex was average is I don't know.
I don't want to burn my eyes anymore.
So like if it's a like nice person that I like spending time with and it's an average size dick, I don't care.
But if he's a jerk and an asshole, but he has a huge dick, you'll tolerate disrespect and poor treatment because he's compensating or he's he's bringing something else to the table.
Me personally, no.
Okay.
But like, is a big dick nice?
Like, of course.
Okay.
Cool.
So look, a lot of women have a penis size preference, height preference, right?
Here, let's go around the table.
How tall are you?
And like, do you have a bare minimum height preference for a guy?
I'm 5'10, and I've dated all the way down to 5'6.
Okay, do you prefer a guy to be taller than you?
I don't care.
Okay.
Yeah.
What about you?
5'2.
Do you have a height preference?
As long as he's taller than me.
So 5'3, totally cool with it.
Yeah.
Doesn't sound like the truth, but okay.
I'm 5'9, and I have gone on a date with a guy who was 5'8.
But after you were explaining your perspective on that, I see what you're saying.
There wasn't a second date with that guy, was there?
Well, for other reasons.
Not because of his height.
Interesting.
I think I was thinking more of men like to have an attractive woman because that gives them more status.
Whereas women don't really care about the status.
Like if their man is not as good looking, if they love their man, they're still going to be with their man.
Yeah.
Well, you had me in the first part.
Women are more attracted to status.
I get what you're saying.
I get what you're saying.
But I mean, maybe the way you worded it, just but I get what you're saying.
Okay.
If women didn't really care all that much about looks, actually, hold on.
I'll come back to that.
We were going around the table.
Go ahead.
I'm 5'5, and I think minimum for me is like 5'10.
Okay.
I'm 5'3, and as long as he's taller than me.
Okay.
I'm 5'4, and I honestly don't mind.
Wait, what about you?
I'm 5'2 and 3 quarters.
Like 5'9 and up.
But I do want to add that on average, women are shorter than men.
And so I think that kind of goes just with it's just natural that they're gonna date a man who's a little bit taller.
Now, the penis thing, I think that's a little bit ridiculous.
And I also think that men care more about beauty and women care more about status.
Yeah.
Well, I can give you an argument, but really quick on the hide thing.
How tall is your husband?
5'9.5.
You were in a relationship, right?
How tall was your boyfriend?
He was like 5' like 8, 5'9.
How tall was your last boyfriend?
I think we were like the same height.
How tall was your current boyfriend?
Six feet.
Okay.
How tall is your boyfriend?
6'3.
6'3?
Okay.
510.
5'10.
6'1.
And then the one before that, 5'7.
Okay.
Well, I mean, a lot of women say, you know, height's not that big of a deal, but.
So women are shorter on average than men.
On average.
Right, but you'll have videos of women who are like five feet saying like they'll have like height requirements for men.
And this is also evidenced as what's going on on dating apps.
Women can filter by height, and they've actually looked at, they've done analysis on this.
Women will filter, like put in a filter and say, I want to date a guy above this height.
But some guys also say I only date blondes.
That's true.
Or blue eyes.
Or big butt.
Or big boobs.
He's saying that those are things that you can change.
You can change your hair color.
You can get implants.
You can get a BBL.
But he cannot do anything to make his bone structure taller.
I mean, the resort to not having to do it.
Make yourself taller?
No.
There is a surgery.
Yeah, you can get a surgery to make yourself taller.
And also, there is a surgery you can get to change yourself.
Wait, go around the table question.
Who here has been on a dating app?
Just show of hands.
Who's been on dating apps?
No?
Never been on a dating app?
Never been on a dating app?
Never been, never been.
No.
You been?
Okay.
What percentage of men do you swipe no on on a dating app?
Whoa, probably 99.8.
Probably the same.
How many do you swipe no on?
Like most of them.
Yep.
What about you?
Like 99.9.
Wait, hold on.
So on dating apps where you're really just making a very quick judgment about someone's physical appearance, why is it the case that you guys are only swiping yes on like 1% of dudes?
Whereas dudes are swiping on like a lot of, like what, 50% of women?
Because men are more desperate.
So women are much pickier when it comes to physical appearance.
No, they're not as desperate.
Ergo, ergo, women care more about looks than men do.
Yeah, when it comes to dating apps, things like speed dating, you will find that women place a premium on a man's physical appearance.
That's what all the studies have shown.
And it makes sense because you have nothing to judge other than his physical appearance.
So if you initially see that he's not physically attractive, you're going to disqualify him.
So that's what we see.
The guys who are typically attractive, they get the most swipes, they get the most matches.
Whereas the guys who's not typically attractive, they tend to be the most, most of the men.
They don't get matches at all.
They don't get swipes at all.
So his point is valid in that regard.
Also, this is a really niche example I'm about to give, but I would argue men who are physically disabled compared to women who are physically disabled, men are going to struggle way more in dating if they're physically disabled than women.
You know what's interesting is that there's a study done, and if a woman in a marriage gets severely ill, they're six times more likely to be left by their male partner than if the male was to get sick.
Well, the issue with that study is probably I don't think it's been replicated.
So you have a huge issue with a lot of these soft science studies called the, I forgot the exact term.
They can't replicate any of these studies.
Okay.
And also I would add, ask you, who is doing these studies?
Like a lot of these studies are done by like feminists, feminists who already have decided what the end result is and they're going to try to confirm their bias.
And if you go into a study, for example, cigarette companies in I think the 60s, right, hired scientists to study the harmful effects of cigarettes.
And they came out with studies that said, well, cigarettes are actually not harmful.
In fact, they can be, you know, they can have some positive health impacts.
Okay.
So if who you got to ask yourself, who's funding these studies?
Yeah, well, who's funding yours?
I don't have a computer with notes in front of me.
I haven't cited any studies.
Hey, then let me bring a computer with some notes.
Let's go.
Typically, you know how valid they are about how controversial results are going to be.
Like, a lot of these are political.
So, like what Brian said, there is a replication.
A lot of these studies don't replicate.
I won't call it a crisis because I work in the field of psychology, so I won't call it a crisis.
But there are studies when we talk about attraction and things like women valuing looks, those are some of the most replicated studies, like evolutionary psychology, etc.
They replicate all the time.
But when you talk about, like, what did you just say?
Men were more likely to leave their sick wives than their sick partner were to leave them.
See, I've never heard of that study.
That's not to say it's invalid or unreliable, but I've just never heard it.
I would like to review it.
I would like to know.
No, yeah, I mean, I reread it yesterday, but I knew about it probably two years ago because my sister and I talk about this kind of stuff all the time.
And she also majored in psych, criminology, all that.
But let me, well, this.
But you agreed, though, that men do value beauty more than women do.
Yeah, because that's how we draw inferences about a woman's fertility.
But the argument is that, like, I guess for an initial date, yeah, maybe women are a little bit more judgmental.
But in terms of long-term, like, if you get with a woman and she's like really beautiful, but then like she just totally goes downhill, then maybe you wouldn't want to stay with her versus versus a woman who's with a guy.
Yeah, I'm speaking objectively, though.
Yeah, I'm saying, like, if she declines, if she declines in appearance, then the guy, he'd probably stay with her, but he'd probably step outside of the relationship.
But typically, you would say, like, men have more stressful jobs, right?
So, like, men age faster.
Yeah.
So, but a woman isn't going to leave a man for that.
Not if he has money, status, resources.
Right.
So, you, but you agree, though, that there is.
Yeah, I didn't disagree, but the distinction I drew was that I would say men, uh, women value physical appearance as much as men, but men are more visually receptive and sexually stimulated by a woman's physical appearance than women are with men.
That's how I would say it.
Okay.
Last thing on this.
So I would also argue, in terms of appearance, depictions of aspirational body types for men are far harder to achieve and attain than what you see of women.
No.
Okay.
But like, what are you going off of?
So she said no.
But so let me try to give a bit more details because it's.
So if you look at, for example, superhero movies.
So if you look at the men in superhero movies, the aspirational body type, in order to achieve as a man, the aspirational body type, the apex, the optimum body type, that's going to require either, I mean, elite level genetics, treating the gym like a full-time, part-time job, excuse me, or steroid use.
Whereas women, I would argue, Any 18-year-old woman, so long as she monitors her caloric intake without even having to do any sort of physical training, can achieve a near idealistic aspirational body type.
A woman need not do strength training, for example, to have what 99% of men will deem like a sexy or a hot body.
But for a man to have an aspirational body to have a hot or sexy body, he will need to have some degree or perhaps a huge degree of physical training to achieve that.
Not just caloric restriction.
I would say that your ideal body type that you're talking about in the superhero movies and all of that is like ideal to men by other men.
But if you, okay, most women are on like some kind of hormonal birth control.
And if you look, birth control makes women more attracted to more feminine features.
And like, okay, let's remove poison from the conversation and let's talk about.
I'm being, I'm exaggerating, but you're making the argument that it's changing women to be more attracted to feminine features and it is.
It has.
That's not the natural order of things, though.
It's not the natural order.
Yeah, but that's a reality.
But that's a reality right now of what women are more attracted to.
It's that like Pete Davison, that scarane, like drugged out motherfucker.
You know what I mean?
Like this is the fall of Western civilization.
And I don't think that's just a failed story.
I don't think women and more women on average prefer men that are like taking like a heavy dosage of PEDs performance enhancing drugs.
And honestly, I think everybody should strain train.
I don't think women should just watch their calories, but I do get your point.
Because for a man, because you're naturally going to have more testosterone, you're going to be able to put on a lot more muscle mass and a lot quicker if you train in the gym.
And honestly, if you're a guy, you're not going to the gym.
You need to go to the gym.
And that goes for women as well.
But honestly, I don't think, like, personally, if you just work out and you take care of your body, that's very achievable for most people.
And I don't think women are attracted to like super yoked, like I'm not saying that, but I would argue, like, okay, well, I'm not saying like full-on bodybuilder status, but I would argue like an untrained, if you compare an untrained man to a guy who has just an athletic build, so like, you know, he's got definition and he's cut, whatever, not fucking full-on bodybuilder.
I would argue most women are going to be more attracted to the athletic build versus like most women would probably actually put the guy who's just skinny, they're not going to put that in like the attractive category from a body perspective.
Whereas a woman can be just have a low body fat percentage and be deemed physically attractive, like pretty much across the board.
Whereas a guy who's done no physical training and he's just has a low body fat percentage, probably not.
Yeah, that's not attractive.
Don't be skinny.
Okay, thank you.
No, but my point.
No, but I'm just saying, but even then, if you think about it this way, like men typically have more physical jobs.
So sometimes, you know, you can build a little bit of muscle from your job.
But honestly, I don't think it's ridiculously hard to get in shape.
I think it's just consistency.
And I think that goes for both men and women.
For a woman to have a body that a lot of men will view as sexy, she need not never participate in a sport.
She need not never even exercise.
She need not ever even step foot in a gym where I was where I would argue for women to find a particular male body type like hot or sexy or attractive.
He has to put in more work.
He's gonna have to put in more work than a woman.
So because I'm bringing this up because there's this whole trope about women have to meet these like unrealistic beauty standard, but the beauty standard for a man is like leaps and bounds, like orders of magnitude more difficult to achieve for the average guy than the reverse.
Like an 18-year-old woman can fairly easily have the ideal female body type, but an 18-year-old male probably has not or cannot achieve his physique potential.
It could take a lot of time.
Yeah, but also women give birth and go through a lot of bodily changes, and we it is relevant though.
No, but it is relevant, though.
Erroneous!
Erroneous!
Okay, go ahead, go ahead.
Okay, and also we have menopause, right?
You think a woman who just watches her calories can stay the same size forever?
No, because she would continue to have to eat lower calories.
Because you know, another reason why we go to the gym as well is because it increases your metabolism so you can eat more food and you can eat more calories.
The metabolism changes is the case for both genders.
Yes, but it's also like the hormone cycle, too.
Like every week of the month, we're different.
We crave different things.
So it's not steady.
Like a man has his testosterone spike once and then that's it.
It's very normal.
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It's always funny watching two men try to help women understand more reasonable standards that will help women find better men/slash relationship and women argue it.
Women are their own worst enemy.
Yeah, but my point is that every working out will benefit both genders, women and men.
And I think it's very important that they both work out.
If a woman literally doesn't work out at all, you understand she can still gain weight.
But he's arguing.
We're talking about like beauty standards here.
Yeah.
Isn't that what you're saying?
For women, you basically just have to not be fat.
That's it.
Yeah, essentially.
Okay.
That's it.
Like, but for a man, okay, I almost feel like we have some photos.
Like, we can pull up.
Oh, you have?
I have a folder in the Dropbox folder.
I have a folder in the...
Oh, you went...
Did you go into podcast?
Yep, and I went to men and women and I have Galgo, Scarlett Johansen.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's, yep, yep, well done.
All of them work out.
I'm trying to figure out.
What folder is that, Nick?
I'm trying to Drop Hawks podcast.
Thin and beauty standards.
Beauty standards, yes.
Okay.
Oh, thin men.
Can you do also?
I want to compare like thin men, thin women.
Oh, can you pull up?
Can you pull up the second?
Wait, go into thin men folder.
Hold on, I'm trying to find.
How is giving birth irrelevant to this conversation?
Like, you're not having to go through that.
Here, pull up.
I don't know.
Oh, my God.
That's ridiculous.
What the fuck?
All right, pull up Hugh Dodge.
It's the blue backdrop.
Do you see it?
Yeah.
All right.
And then go to thin women folder.
And then pull up.
I don't know.
I'm trying to find one that's reasonably fair, right?
Do you work out, Brian?
Uh, I should work out more.
I'll say that.
I don't know.
Pull up the one where she's like holding coconuts.
Ever.
It's the second one.
Just the guy first and then the woman.
Okay.
And then the ones you pulled up, we'll look at those two.
I only pulled up a few, but okay, that's fine.
Go ahead.
It's coming, guys.
All right, that's a skinny dude.
Okay, skinny dude.
Now let's go to the woman.
That's a skinny woman.
She probably would argue more men are going to be like, she has an attractive body than if you go back to the man, then women are going to be like, he has an attractive body.
Honestly, I see more women in the gym than I do men nowadays.
That's cat.
No, it's actually not.
And I actually, well, I mean, how's that relevant, though?
We have a woman's gym.
Going around the table, like that body that I showed you of the guy, he had a good body.
He had a low body fat percentage, but he's thin.
No muscle, yeah.
Okay.
Do you think that that's like the ape?
Are we arguing like just those photos, photo to photo, compared to each other?
Yeah, right now.
Okay, but you're showing a photo of someone that's pale compared to someone that's in the sun, which pale is.
I'll find a pale, thin woman.
Not every guy just looks like that, though, without going.
Also, like, I would argue that you get an unhealthy body fat percentage.
He looks like he doesn't eat.
That looks anorexic to me.
Yeah.
I would argue that's anorexic.
That's not average.
That's not an average thin man.
Come on.
Okay, fine.
I'll find an untrained thin woman.
That girl clearly goes to the gym.
Okay, here, hold on.
Go to the thin men folder.
Pull up the first one.
Pull up the first one.
It should be one.
I'm an actual health coach.
I know what I'm talking about.
All right.
Women need a strain train just as much as men do.
This will be a more fair example.
I'm actually.
Okay, there you go.
Is that a bit more fair?
Yeah, that's fair.
So I would argue he's damn.
All right, there you go.
There's the untrained male body.
Okay.
Okay.
But he's not fat.
He's not overweight.
And then go back to the woman.
Okay.
That girl definitely works.
She works out.
She runs.
That girl, she drugs.
She probably does Pilates.
Look at her.
She probably does.
That is not a girl that doesn't work Pilates.
Trust me, having that body maintaining that with just a diet is very difficult.
You need to work out to build muscle, to build your metabolism, to keep the fat off.
I'm literally trying to educate you right now.
How are you educating me?
Because that's not a body of a girl that doesn't go to the gym.
Yeah, that doesn't go to the gym.
Like, that girl clearly works out.
It's so much harder to keep a lean body if you're not going to the gym and building metabolism.
It's all through diet.
You know what?
Diet is very important.
But you know what happens when you combine both?
That's all that matters.
Amazing things happen.
Huh?
With muscle?
You can't just eat your weight into muscle.
Not every woman can just look like that without going to the gym and eating a thousand calories a day.
Here, Nick, why don't you try the thin women folder?
It's C-B-R-E-T.
She's wearing a picture.
You can take into account genetics.
Yes, I know.
Obviously, I can't find the perfect one-to-one comparison.
I'm just trying to like.
You're trying to say it's harder for men.
I'm trying to say that that guy here.
Maybe you feel.
She works out.
She's like.
Yeah, she does have muscle.
I can see her shoulder.
She looks like a face.
I can see her.
There's an indentation there.
It's fair.
This is an achievable physique for a woman without having to go to the gym.
This is a bone physique.
Look at her legs.
There's minimal muscular definition in the legs.
That's how you know.
Okay.
I would argue that most men are going to be like, whoa, she's got a nice body.
Go back to the guy.
Most women are not going to be like, whoa, he's got a nice body.
Okay, but women are supposed to represent like child-bearing qualities where men are supposed to represent protecting you.
Oh, so muscular development, right?
So the beauty standard is it's harder for men to achieve the aspirational body type than the reverse.
The female beauty standard that feminists cry about is more than obtainable for like 90% of women.
You basically flat stomach, you don't need abs, maybe a little bit of muscle tone, healthy BMI.
Where are you getting that muscle tone from?
What's that?
Where are you getting that muscle tone from?
She's saying our workouts are easier than what they have to do.
Like maybe a lot of people have to do it.
I'll give you the gym comparison.
Go to the gym three days a week, eat like 200 calories below maintenance, and you'll be there in a year if you're starting from average.
The male beauty standard that's rarely challenged by the mainstream media is literally uncuse me, literally unobtainable without two, if not three of the following.
Elite genetics, steroids, five plus years of treating the gym as a part-time job.
I disagree.
I've seen very not muscular men get muscular with not good genetics in way less time.
Men do build muscle a lot quicker and it's a lot more difficult.
I'm not saying you have to look like the rock to get a woman or that all women necessarily prefer the ideal.
I'm just stating what the cost of a perfect body is for each gender.
I don't think you even know what women really like in terms of body type because we don't want like the crazy Thor looking at the body.
I didn't say that.
Well, I didn't say that.
The body you don't need steroids to look great that I know would last.
For five plus years.
Okay, let me just make it easy.
And I know you want to come in here.
I was just going to clear up your point.
Let me just say it like this.
Here's my point.
Agree or disagree.
The beauty standard that each gender is trying to achieve, my position is, is that it's harder for men to achieve the male beauty standard than it is for women to achieve the female beauty standard.
That's it.
That's what I'm arguing.
Yeah, but I disagree.
Why?
Because it's not that hard.
Because how you feel?
No, because you have more tissue.
You can muscle on faster.
But you know, you need not even, you need not even weight train as a woman to get like, to reach the beauty standard.
You said leg muscle.
It's very hard to build muscle definition.
No, but the point I was trying to make is that normal woman.
Oh my God.
That normal woman.
These people that you think are normal are working out.
Do you know that women take up most of the market?
When you see like weight loss ads, weight loss pills, all of these things, women are like flooding the market with that because women really do have a hard time getting in shape.
And you can't discredit child giving birth.
Okay, because that does change.
That's not related to the conversation.
It's not about being in shape, though.
Which occurs more naturally and easily?
A desirable female body or a desirable male body?
Ideally, women have to have a nice waist to hip ratio, not be overweight, breasts, ass, hips.
Those things develop naturally through puberty.
Men do not put on the amount of muscle mass that women find desirable without having to work for it.
So that's what we're saying.
The female body is going to develop to be desirable quicker than the male body is going to be desperate.
You have to work to get it, but we also have to work to maintain it.
That's neither here nor there, though.
We're talking about getting there.
Which occurs first.
You love it.
Which occurs.
It's about which occurs first.
Women are found more desirable because your bodies are naturally going to develop into having desirable features.
You're going to grow breasts.
You know, you're going to grow hips.
Not everybody, but yeah, most.
Yeah, but yeah, but that's what he's saying.
He's saying it's easier for the female body to develop into a desirable body than it is for the male.
Men have to work to get the ideal body that women are attracted to.
Women don't necessarily have to work.
Puberty will take you there.
Well, I can say this.
I'm going to skip down your face is getting blocked.
More.
More, more, more.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Okay, so I can say this.
I've been, I was a dancer for eight years.
I did weight training for five plus years.
I've done bodybuilding shows.
I know how much work it takes to look good.
But here, let me tell you this.
Me before, without doing weight training, I would say I did look better than maybe my husband did, but I didn't meet him before he worked out.
I already met him after he'd already been trained for five years.
He did say he was a chubby kid, and even when he hit puberty, he didn't look that good.
So I think it's relative.
I don't know if we can even say a generalized statement right now, which is harder.
I really don't know if we can say that.
Let me ask you a question, right?
Who has it?
This is like kind of totally out of left field.
Who would have an easier time being a slut?
An obese woman or an obese man?
An obese woman.
An obese woman.
Hmm.
Interesting.
Well, women are more likely to be fetishized.
So like obese ones.
Nick, you have those photos of like what Henry Cavill and Scarlett Johansson and shit.
Let's just blast through all of them.
What's that?
Men first, then women.
Or maybe, okay, there's, now these are depictions in media.
Women often complain to the beauty standards as depicted in magazines and media.
It's the unattainable beauty standards.
Wait, put us on the other side so we can make a smaller.
I'm not alone on this.
Left side.
All right.
What is it?
Chris Evans?
Is this Chris Evans?
Okay, next.
It's my hall pass.
That's Thor.
What's his name?
Chris Hemsworth.
Okay.
Henry Cavill, next.
Now the women.
That's okay.
Scarlett Johansson.
That's.
What's her name from Gal Gadot?
Okay.
That's it.
Okay.
The bodies of the men, that's like.
That is so much more unobtainable.
Almost any woman could achieve the bodies of those women.
The whole feminist position is there are depictions in media of these unobtainable body types, but we never look at the opposite side of the coin as actually the depictions of male body types in media.
And I'm using superhero movies here.
Women who are Scarlett Johansson, Gal Godot, superheroes, right?
Those guys, superheroes.
Again, elite level genetics, treating the gym like a part-time job, and or steroids to achieve those physiques I showed.
Disagree.
Okay, let me go back to my let me go back to disagree.
Let me go back.
I got a pee.
Go ahead.
Say your thing.
What the?
This was directed towards you.
I'm listening.
I'm listening.
Go ahead.
Okay.
Maybe when you're younger, this would apply.
Okay?
Because when you're young, you're a dude, you want to hit the gym with your, you know, with your guy friends, whatever.
With your guy friends and whatnot.
Are you still listening?
Should I continue my point?
Okay, I'll continue my point.
Okay, so what I'm saying is when you're younger, yeah, maybe for a woman, it might be a little bit easier to maintain a petite physique.
And then for a guy, maybe it is a little bit more work.
But if you think about it, when you're in your 40s and your 50s, a woman is going through...
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The body is a determination of the willing.
It's running faster, stronger and better than most guys that makes us desirable.
The girl can just not eat cheeseburgers.
That's never going to be fair.
That's all we say.
I eat cheeseburgers all the time.
That's all we do.
Anyways, because I go to the gym, I can afford it.
That's what I'm trying to say.
Everybody should go to the gym.
But my point is, is that maybe when you're younger, it's a little bit easier for women to keep their petite physique.
But then for a guy, maybe, yeah, he does have to take extra time, go to the gym, lift weights, do bench press, do his pull-ups, deadlifts, and all that stuff.
But later on down the road, women have a really hard time staying in that shape versus a man, his body's not going through a hormonal tsunami as it would with a woman.
And so he can usually maintain his body a lot better than a woman can.
At that point, we don't even want the woman.
Oh, shit.
What?
What kind of sexist, misogynistic shit have I walked in?
She's talking about menopause and at the pregnancy.
Well, you need to discuss that because you're talking about women.
No, we're talking about who achieves the most desirable body more naturally and easier.
Do you say you don't want women like what?
If they're 40 to 50 or if they hit the bottom of the body.
No, I'm talking about, generally, I'm talking about the way we perceive attractiveness.
I'm talking about the badges.
We're talking about peak.
Peak.
We're talking about warming.
I'm going to agree.
I'm not going to agree.
We're talking about like for like.
Bringing in, yes, there are certain biological realities of women going through pregnancy.
But if we're comparing like for like, if we're comparing men between the ages of 18 and 30 who we're not factoring in women who get pregnant, then there's no comparison.
Yeah.
I guess I'm a little bit biased.
Just take the L, bro.
Just take the L. Don't call me bro.
Okay, sorry.
I'm not a bro.
I'm not your bro.
You know what?
I'm sorry.
Hold on.
I just, I do.
I'd like to take this chance to apologize.
To absolutely nobody.
Okay, girl.
So.
I don't care.
Here, let's.
We need to.
I'm sorry, Puffy.
Puffy, I'm so sorry.
We both are.
I'm going to say that.
You ain't even watching the woman.
Okay, Puffy.
Go ahead.
Never mind.
Your mouth is so big it's unattractive.
You say Marvel bods aren't women's desire.
Five minutes later, Chris Pine is your hall pass.
Please go put your makeup back on so we don't have to hear you for an hour.
Wow.
Any girl that says that the picture of Chris Evans saying that they would prefer a dad bod over Chris Evans physique that we showed, which isn't like super steroided up, although he might be, I don't know.
Yeah, he looked more normal.
I think, yeah, it was like a little more on the athletic side, I'd say.
I mean, still, that's pretty insane physique, but yeah, they're taking his physique.
They're not going for the dad bod.
Yeah.
If they had a choice, they're picking this.
I don't think I've ever heard a woman see a dad bod pop up and just be like, oh my god.
Like, if you like put a girl that's not really in shape, a dad bod would be a girl that maybe has a few extra pounds, and then a girl that's like very fit, you would choose the girl that's also you would choose an overweight girl.
What?
I'm confused.
Everyone wants the best that they can get.
Also, you might see one of these girls that have the natural nice bodies because they just don't eat cheeseburgers.
You don't know if they're like running three times a week.
You don't know if they're like eating 1,200 calories every day.
You know, they've lost their period.
You don't know these things, right?
This is what happened.
This is why it's so important to go to the gym.
Go to the gym.
She's like, y'all don't love my gym.
Puffy, let's go.
I have a woman's gym, by the way.
Puffy.
Let's.
Okay, girls, rate Puffy.
Oh, wait.
I already saw him in the other one.
Wait, don't scroll down.
Yeah, I think that's fine.
Can you just come here, scroll down, and then we'll just look at his other ones?
Yeah.
Is there such a thing as a 0.5?
Of course.
Of course, there is.
All right, guys, here's Puffy.
Look at, oh, scroll down.
This is Puffy Vegas.
This is his Instagram.
So rate him on the scale of 1 to 10.
Wait, scroll down.
No, no, no.
Scroll down.
I don't know.
Scrolling down, I think.
Unless, was there.
All right.
Starting with you going around the table, rate him on the scale of one to ten.
I think that's what he wanted.
Yeah.
You can be honest, we men.
Personally, for me, personally, two.
Okay.
Three.
Go ahead.
One.
You would say like a 1.5.
A zero.
Whoa.
Yeah.
Y'all like, what?
So zero for you?
Yeah.
Damn.
What the fuck?
What about you?
Whoa.
Sorry.
He's not a zero, guys.
I actually was going to say that.
You do realize like zero would be like significant facial asymmetry, like deformity.
Like, he ain't a zero, okay?
Sorry.
Obviously, he's a 10.
Obviously.
Because he's my sugar daddy.
Just kidding.
Just kidding.
What?
He's not my sugar daddy.
I'm kidding.
He is a patron of the football podcast.
Tomato's a motto.
All right.
Dude, I think we bring him on the podcast.
Do it.
Should I do a poll?
Well, maybe.
I'll think about it.
Okay.
Grid one.
Yeah.
Okay, Maddie, I'm going to have you read this one.
I tell women I'm six foot three inches.
They look very confused when they realize I'm only six feet tall.
By the way, you look much better without the makeup.
I was talking about makeup.
Oh, yeah.
Thank you.
Yeah, you're like a young Kim Kardashian.
Whatever.
Yeah.
What?
What?
I put time into that and I like took it.
That's compliment.
I was like expecting a little bit more praise.
Here, Maddie, can you read this one?
Men fall in love with looks.
That's why women wear makeup.
Women fall in love with words.
That's why men lie.
No.
I've heard this before.
Yes.
Good.
Thank you, John.
That was great.
That was great.
Well, but guys, go to twitch.com slash whatever.
Drop us a follow and the prime sub if you can.
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Sub to our clips channel.
There it is.
Thank you guys.
Appreciate it.
All right, let me get through our notes here from people.
Maddie, you said you found your boyfriend making corn on Twitter with another girl when he was supposed to be on a work trip.
Bro.
That story.
I don't even know.
Okay, basically that happened.
We still see each other.
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Seat number four, sing along.
Chill out, watch a yelling for.
Lay back.
It's all been done before.
And if you could only let it be, you would see, I like you the way you are.
When we are driving in your car.
Read it.
Sing it.
Go.
Oh, there we go.
Here we go.
Wait, I actually don't want to sing, though.
That was so disappointing.
She cleared her throat and everything.
No!
All right, sorry, brother.
So what's the story real quick?
Okay, I was seeing a guy.
We were exclusive.
He wasn't fast enough on a comment on his Instagram.
I saw the girl's page while he was on a work trip because she said like poppy or something.
And I was like, huh?
Went onto her page.
She lived in the same state that he was working in.
And then I clicked on her Twitter and there was a whole lot of porn.
So we stopped seeing each other.
And then they broke up a few weeks later.
I hung out with him one time.
Also, if this goes anywhere, like in a clip or something, I will get my ass beat.
So like.
I'm not sure what you're talking about.
What are you talking about?
So then for the next two months, I got death threats from this girl, and I don't know why.
Still don't know why, but it's all over her Twitter.
If you go look at her Twitter, her threatening to kill me and a bunch of videos of what she wants to do to me because I hung out with the guy that I was seeing at the same time as her that I stopped seeing and when they broke up, I saw him one time.
And then they got back together and never spoke to him again.
Sounds healthy.
Yeah.
Sounds healthy.
You said that you find the bigger you get on social media, the harder it is for me to date, but I'm starting to not really care.
Men were terrible to me before SW and now they just show who they are faster, saves me time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've dated like more without doing sex work than I have with doing sex work, obviously.
And I find the treatment very similar, but then like men slip faster in the same ways that maybe would have taken them six to nine months.
They're slipping in three months.
And it's the same behavior.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the more I grow, okay, so I've seen this other guy, the one that I stopped seeing like last week.
And one of the last things he said to me, because I got recognized in a Starbucks when I was with him by a girl, I didn't think anything of it.
And then on the phone, he said, I actually don't want to be with a girl that gets recognized in public.
I don't want to be with a girl that makes me feel bad about myself because she's making all this money and I'm a server.
When I told him, I don't put any importance on like financial stuff with men because I just don't care.
If you're like a cool person trying to do anything with your life, it's fine.
You don't need to have all of this stuff.
And I didn't ask him for anything either.
It's beautiful.
Thank you.
Beautiful story.
Thank you.
Thank you, Maddie.
It's good.
This is a good one.
You said men were terrible.
Well, you kind of told us about.
Maybe, okay, we'll come back to that.
I'm bringing it over here to Meg.
So, Meg, you said dating younger men is safer.
Yeah, I think a lot of women, probably not anyone here, but a lot of women like try to go for younger men or men who are less experienced because I believe that if they're not as experienced, they're not going to trigger you as much.
So, when you date like an older guy who's had more experience, who's a bit more mature, he triggers you more and it like makes you look more at yourself.
And some people want to avoid that so they date younger.
So, wait, are you advocating for women to take a stance?
Oh, you're just kind of making an observation.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, what do you personally do?
You date younger people?
So, I dated a younger guy before, and I didn't grow at all in the relationship because he couldn't like push me or show me anything about myself.
And now, my current partner, he's always mirroring back to me things that I can improve about myself.
So, the easier thing to do is date younger or like less mature.
So, kind of are you saying that younger men are going to tolerate your bad habits?
I don't think tolerate.
I think just not be aware as much.
Right.
Wait, how much older is your partner?
He's 24.
And how old are you?
22.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
You said, you also said all men are trash.
No, I didn't.
Wait.
You said I didn't say that.
Well, okay, so read the whole thing.
You're right.
Okay.
Yeah.
You said, if you think all men are trash, you're right.
Yeah.
So I think it's Henry Ford who says, whether you think you can, you will, or whether, what was it?
Those that says that.
I keep messing up the quotes tonight, but I'm doing my best.
Those that say they can and those that say they can't are both usually.
They're both right.
Yeah.
Okay.
So whatever you think and feel about someone is how they have to show up for you.
So if like people keep saying like all men are trash, all men are trash, that's the story that they're telling themselves.
If they say, oh, all men that I see, they cheat or they're in their marriages and they're not loyal, that's just the story that you're telling yourself.
And you can always choose to think and believe something else.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
Yeah, I kind of misunderstood.
Perception creates your interpreted reality.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
You also said trust issues aren't a real thing.
What do you mean by that?
I love these.
So I think when you're in a relationship and you choose the right partner for you, like you go through the extensive vetting process, you understand who they are as a person, then when you're dating them, you shouldn't have trust issues.
You only have trust issues when you don't trust yourself to use your discernment when it comes to your partner.
That's beautiful.
That's nice.
I like it.
All right.
Oh, question for, how do you say your name again?
Miss Misra.
Misra.
Is that your real name?
Misra.
Or is that like a stage name?
I mean.
Yeah, it's a stage name.
It's English.
No, is it a stage name?
Like it's my whatever.
Yeah.
Do you consider yourself traditional?
No.
Oh, okay.
All right.
Cool.
Okay.
Moving to our good friend Kala, Kayla?
Yeah, Kayla.
Kayla, you wanted to talk about your experience as a stripper.
Yeah.
I actually wrote a book basically where, because most people think that strippers are like having sex for money or they're whores or any, you know, things like that.
And actually, it's not true.
For the most part, it's not true.
And I wrote a book which basically teaches women how they can use their feminine energy and their power to make money in the club.
Okay.
Straight into the money.
Oh, he's saying straight into the mic.
And so I have a question for you.
What, generally speaking, you don't need to go into specifics about your own experience unless you want to.
Speaking of money, what kind of money are girls making in the club?
I can't speak for other girls, but I can speak for myself.
So the most money that I've brought into a club was $30,000.
In the night?
In a night.
I made $8,000.
I brought in a friend.
She made $5,000 cash.
And then the club gets the rest because I think he bought like two bottles, two or three bottles.
Okay.
Nice.
Nice.
What about how are things looking in a year?
I don't really want to continue stripping.
Well, how long have you been doing it?
Since 2019.
Okay.
Okay.
Interesting.
Question.
Like, you approach dudes and right?
Yeah.
You approach dudes.
All right.
Pretend I'm a trick or marked or whatever they're called.
I don't even call them tricks.
Yeah.
So how would you come up to me?
Oh, that's interesting.
I'd just be like, well, yeah, you were the type that I would go up to.
What the fuck?
You are.
I'm the type.
I have a type that I would go up to in the club.
To get money off.
So I just, if you walk in, I'd just be like, hey, like, what's your name?
Where are you from?
That's the most insulting.
What?
What?
He's the wait.
Why are you agreeing?
It's funny.
I'm sorry.
Okay, go ahead.
So I'd just be like, hey, like, first off, I would like, I mean, I wouldn't grab you, but I wouldn't grab you.
I don't grab anybody.
I took some MILF.
What?
Whoa.
Where did that come from?
So I would just, I just, you know, make my presence known.
Hey, how are you?
What's your name?
Where are you from?
I'm Cornelius.
Okay.
Good to meet you.
Is it your first time here?
It's my 20th.
Oh.
So are you a local?
Because I don't deal with locals.
No, I just drive three hours to come here to get away because so my wife doesn't see.
So you so you pretty much know how the club works.
um it's kind of hard when they kind of know how the club works because when they don't know i feel like you can like you can finesse You can finesse more.
How do you finesse?
Finesse me.
Let's see it.
Okay.
So, oh, yeah, it's my first time.
Oh, it's your first time?
Okay.
Yeah.
Well, okay, so here's the thing.
So where I'm working now, they have set prices.
Okay.
Set price.
Set price for like an hour is $600.
Now, when I worked at another club that didn't have set prices, you can like literally go in and you can just say like for an hour.
For example, in the hour VIP room, I just go in there with a guy and I just throw a number out there, 4,000.
Either he's going to do it or he's not.
Where I'm working out, you can't do that.
So basically how I would finesse you, if I wanted more out of a $600 room, I would just say things like, Like, okay, the club's gonna take a percentage of my money.
Can you make it an even thousand?
Can you tip me 400?
And they do.
And sometimes I tip more.
Cool.
But like, let's do a role play here.
So, like, let's actually role play.
Okay, so I'm in the club.
That's how you are in the club.
You're in the club like that.
What?
Man.
Oh, look at the titties.
Like, you're coming at me like that?
No, just, that's, I'm just like, oh, the club.
So, like, you're coming in like you don't know nothing.
Like, like, like an ancient.
Just role play it.
Just role play it.
If you, well, if you came at me like that.
I'm just like a naive white boy.
That's it.
Just come up to me.
Naive white boy.
Okay.
Like I said, what's your name?
Where are you from?
Have you been here before?
Have you seen the roads?
My name is Henry.
Okay, Henry.
Are you ready to have some fun tonight?
What kind of fun?
Well, what kind of fun are you looking to get into?
I don't know.
What does the missus provide for the services?
Come here and let me show you.
Let me take you to an hour VIP.
Ah, can you tell me more about this VIP section?
So that's what.
So basically, this is what I tell guys.
I'm British, by the way.
This is what I tell guys.
And it's not true because where we work, where I work, you're not allowed to get naked.
You're not even allowed to wear a G-string.
Yeah.
Yeah, they're real strict.
What if we're in the VIP room, my dear, and I want to have sexual intercourse?
Oh, that's not going to happen.
I thought in the, what's that song by, is it Chris Rock?
It's like sex in the champ, something about the champagne room.
What is it?
I don't know.
I don't think I've heard that.
But no, you're not having sex with anybody in that club.
What about after?
No.
I would like, my dear, to have sexual intercourse with you after the club.
Pay me money right now, and then maybe I'll come.
But then I really don't come.
Yep.
That sounds like my ex-girlfriend right there.
She never came.
Now it became Australian.
So if they're like super desperate about wanting to hang out with me after the club, and if I know that I can get them to get me money in the club, it's kind of game.
It's just trickery, honestly.
Cool.
That was enlightening.
Damn.
It's just a game.
You said you regret working in the industry, though.
Why don't you tell us about that?
I don't really regret it.
I just think that I've grown tired of it.
Even though I make good money, even on nights where I make good money, I'm still like over it.
And I just think that comes with just being in the industry.
I mean, no, have you ever had a sugar daddy?
You know what?
No.
But there was this guy that I met last week.
He's actually a YouTuber.
He wanted, he was telling me he was on this site seeking.
Seeking.
Yeah.
And he was like, have you heard of this site?
And I was like, no, I've never heard of it.
And he was like, well, you know what?
Like, I'm a YouTuber now.
I'm making all this money.
Like, I want to take care of a woman.
I'm like, okay.
And he's like, I want to take care of you because you're smart.
You're the first woman who came up to me.
I think you're smart.
You have a book out there and you're on YouTube.
I want you to be my sugar baby or whatever.
So basically I was supposed to hang out with him on Sunday, right?
He was going to take me to dinner.
And he told me, he was like, you know, I'll pay you to take you to dinner.
Long story.
Long story short, I didn't go because I just didn't want to.
And he ended up sending me $500 because I still asked him, can he send me $500 so I can, you know, ease it to get out here?
Because he knows I'm on this show today.
He just sent you $500?
Yeah, I'll literally show you the message.
He just literally sent me $500.
So that's the only sugar daddy situation?
Well, he wasn't even really a sugar daddy because I never even met him.
You said you had a sugar daddy situation too?
Yeah.
How many sugar daddies have you had?
One long term, and then I've done like a few dinner dates.
Going back to you really quick, how many actually, show of hands.
Any other girls here had a sugar daddy ever?
No?
Come on.
You've had a sugar daddy, right?
I wouldn't like count it as that.
What do you, what did you count it as?
Whatever it was.
Was it?
I said it last time I was here.
I forgot.
Sorry.
It was like.
Oh, you've been on?
No, I'm just kidding.
It was like this dude asked if he could like pay me to like send a voice memo over Instagram saying he has a small dig.
Oh.
And actually, after I went on this podcast, some random person Venmo me $500.
What?
Yeah.
So shout out to.
Wait, what's the give us a little more details than that?
So I was like checking my Venmo and then I was like, why do I have $500 in here?
And I saw that a random person sent me $500 with a rose.
So then I did like FBI investigation.
Then I went on his profile.
I found his mom.
Then I found his mom's Instagram.
Then I found his Instagram from his mom.
Then I saw that he followed the whatever podcast.
I was like, okay, that makes sense.
Did you message him?
No.
I thought it was a scam.
I called my mom and I was like, is this real?
Like, can you take money back from Venmo?
Well, for if you're watching right now, dude, that's a no.
Please do.
I sent you five hundred dollars.
Did it say like in the memo, whatever podcast?
No, it was a rose.
What?
And I, I mean, it went through.
It's in my bank account.
Damn.
Simp.
Simp.
That's it, though.
And then you said a guy paid you how much to say he had a small wean?
I don't know, like $100 or $200.
And I was like, that's crazy, dude.
I want to finesse.
I would love to finesse women in this way.
Like, where's all the women sliding into my DMs wanting I'll degrade?
Actually, I don't know that's.
I don't know if I want to.
Is that sex work to do that?
Yeah, I don't know if I want to be classified as a sex worker.
Yeah, I had an opportunity like that.
I don't know if I the whole degradation thing's kind of weird to me but um, where's all I want?
At least I want the option to say no, at least like.
I want to at least have women like me.
Misra Misra, Misra.
Why can't you just fucking message me, be like yo Brian, can you just like cuss at me or some shit.
I want to be like, ugh, no, here's $300, ugh, no.
I want to do the reverse.
I want to do the reverse finesse.
Yeah.
Like y'all be getting all these dudes.
It's got to funnel up to me.
Bro, but you have like these kind of girls on your podcast so you get more views.
Like you're finessing.
Like you're still using like sex work for me.
I guess she's right.
Damn, you're in sex work.
No, not really.
I'm in podcast.
You're capitalizing on podcast.
Oh, wait, yeah.
Capitalize.
Boom.
But wait, so okay, Sugar Daddy, what about you?
Ever had Sugar Daddy scenario?
Sold feet pics, 300 bucks, that kind of shit.
No, I got a lot of messages from like people claiming to be sugar daddies, but I felt like it was always just fake.
I've gotten a lot of those too.
When I was single, I actually considered it.
I didn't.
What about you?
Any sugar daddies?
I know, you got some.
You got some.
A few, but before.
Obviously.
Before relationship.
When you break up with this guy, are you going back to OnlyFans?
I mean, I'm not thinking I'm breaking up.
Is that why you stopped doing OnlyFans because of your new relationship?
And he didn't like it?
It just, like, it felt like I was just bored.
Of taking naked photos of yourself?
It's a lot of work.
Like, it's really time consuming.
Okay.
Mentally, I'd say it's exhausting, honestly.
Like, it's a lot, and especially, like, because like my family's Turkish, so it's like a lot of.
They would disown you?
They're already dead.
They're already dead.
Whoa, okay.
That's new.
Yeah, I don't talk to any of my family members.
Was it worth it?
It wasn't for that.
Oh, they disowned you for what?
Did you stab somebody?
No.
Let's go deep here.
Well, let's figure this out.
Okay, so we're ruling out stabbing, correct?
So no stabbings occurred.
Have you did you commit treason?
Any acts of treason?
High treason?
Low treason?
Medium treason?
Any violent acts of, you know, no violence?
It's something you're not going to be able to guess.
Oh, you should just tell me that.
I want to let you do it.
You want me to guess?
You burned a Turkish flag.
Is that illegal?
i don't know if it's illegal but you bring great dishonor to family it wasn't like do something deep You are a witch and put a curse on somebody.
Yeah.
Can you just tell us what it is?
No.
I'm sorry.
Wait, you got to speak into the mic.
Why were you...
Can you tell us the theme of why you were disowned?
Um...
By both parents?
Whole family?
It's my whole family, so even like my extended.
It wasn't the only fans?
Huh?
It wasn't the only fans?
No, but they're pretty cool.
Let me.
Wait, I had something.
I have something here.
On your OnlyFans, it says perkiest tits on OnlyFans.
Your words, not mine.
Was it because of the perkiest tits thing?
No.
Is that fal?
Wait.
So, okay, what was it?
Just tell us.
It's like nothing that I can say on camera.
Did you like kick a baby in the face?
It wasn't anything that I did.
What?
That doesn't make sense.
It was something that was done to me.
Oh, something like that.
I'm so sorry.
It was something that was done to me.
And then it was just a religious, it was just a different perspective.
And so there it was.
Like, that was it.
Were you assaulted?
Thomas the Poet donated $99.
I fucking love Maddie.
I totally would suit for her.
Which one?
She rocks my world.
Maddie is cursed lit.
I assume it's this Maddie here.
Do you know who Thomas the Poet is?
I have no idea.
That's so nice.
What the heck?
Thank you, Thomas.
Was it a was it a.
You didn't want to do an arranged marriage?
No.
Give us a hint.
The one previous to what you said was correct.
Oh.
Yeah, that's why, like, I'd rather not.
Okay, all right.
Well, sorry to hear that.
It's okay.
Does your family, they live in Turkey?
No, my mom and my stepdad live in like the US.
And then all my other family members are in Turkey.
Wait, I mean, not that I want to linger on this conversation for too long, and I'm sorry that if it's what I think it is, no, I. Is that a thing where I've heard of this maybe?
Wait.
You were disowned because you were essayed?
Is that it?
Did that occur before or after your sex addiction?
It was from ages 6 to 12.
So, yeah, that was like way before.
But that's why, like, I don't have to.
So you were orphaned at.
I wasn't orphaned.
I just told my aunt, and then she was like, oh, it's normal in Turkey.
To be disowned by your family?
No, to be essayed.
So that's why I don't think that's normal.
Like, that's why I would continue.
But no.
Then my mom and I were still close.
And then we just get into mom and daughter fights.
That's it.
All right, moving on.
Sorry to hear that.
Okay, so sugar daddy.
Wait, did we talk about you had a sugar daddy?
Yeah?
A few.
A few?
Here and there.
Question for you.
What is in one transaction, what's the most that you've ever received from a sugar daddy into the mic?
I think 10 or 15.
$1,000?
Yes.
What's the most total you've received from one?
What's the most total?
So you said in one transaction they sent you like $10,000 or $15,000, but let's say they sent you maybe they sent you $5,000 here, $3,000 there, $1,000 here.
If you were added all up for just one, what's the most?
Total?
I'm not sure.
I think it would be.
More than six figures, like over $100,000?
No, no, definitely not.
More than $50,000?
From just one?
No.
Oh, okay.
All right.
More than $20,000?
Like around there.
Okay.
Alright.
What about you?
Like around $100.
Wait, in one transaction or overall?
transaction oh sorry I'm trying to think of everything Honestly, my long-term one got me like the most stuff, but like at a time, I made it like two, three thousand, you know.
But then he also paid for everything, and then like my bought me a laptop, this, that, anything.
So, biggest individual transaction was one or two thousand dollars?
No, like two or three, but what about total like around a hundred thousand?
Yeah, damn, yeah, damn, damn, son.
Yeah, he's still his mother.
Beats me up.
Still, yeah, I still make emo me sometimes, but you don't what have you met him in person?
Yeah, I dated him.
Oh, okay.
So, you guys were for like a long time, and he but he's also your sugar daddy.
He was my sugar daddy, yeah.
I see, ended up dating him, but he still paid for everything.
Where's all the women trying to pay me to date me?
You can probably find it.
Go on seeking, make a profile.
There's also girls that like want to be sugar mamas.
I've been there.
Yeah, it's a thing.
It's not like it doesn't exist.
I'm just saying, 100K, you know, listen, you want to throw a bit of that my way?
I'm cool with that.
If you want to, you know.
These women, they don't know.
They're not, yeah.
It's crazy.
You're not willing to put in as much financial effort as men are to what?
The ladies.
Not willing to put like even if you get a girl who DMs you, they're not even gonna like like a dude.
If you give a say a dude DMs you and you're down to meet him, he'll either fly you out or he'll fly to you.
Yeah.
But like a girl could DM a dude, bro.
She still wants you to pay for the flight.
Yeah.
She ain't paying for the flight.
Yeah.
I've had it.
Well, actually, that's not true.
Have you ever paid to fly a girl out?
I've had, so I've had women fly out to come see me.
But they paid for it?
No yam, they're desperate for you.
Hi.
I've had that.
But yeah.
Good talk.
That was nice.
This is good talk.
Okay, what else?
Let me see what else.
We have, okay, we did that.
We have Jordan here.
Jordan says, back when I wasn't a Christian, I was very promiscuous.
How so?
I went on a lot of dates without the intention to be in a relationship.
One-night stance.
Things like that.
You had a lot of one-night stands?
Is that what you're saying?
I've had, yeah, in the past.
Okay.
Yeah.
Let's see.
You had some other disagreements here that you listed.
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Pick a subject that works for the man.
Yeah, I'd like to hear.
I'd like, yeah, let's get queue in here in just a sec.
Really quick, just since we have the chats coming, Maddie, can I have you read this one that's about to come up from the Pope who donated 50?
Peace to the saints.
That girl on the far right got caught lying about Marquette Burton after the show saying that he subscribed to her.
One of Marquette's songs say you'd be a fool if you trust her.
Actually, that's not what I said.
So after the show, Marquette DM'd me and he asked how old I was.
And when I said I was 21, he said, when are you coming to Vegas?
Do you want to link with a cheerzing emoji when I didn't reply?
He unsent the message and then said, like hours later for a podcast because he knows that he got caught trying to fuck in OnlyFans Girl.
He didn't subscribe to my page.
Okay.
So yeah, he doesn't practice what he preaches.
Okay.
Well, he's not here to defend himself.
I have receipts.
Okay.
Cool.
Good times.
Where were we?
Oh, oh, Jordan.
Jordan.
We're back to Jordan.
And then I need to get.
Okay.
You said that Brian mentioned that women should be drafted.
I highly disagree with that.
Yeah.
Let's go around the table on that, starting with Jordan.
Should women be drafted to the military?
No.
The same way that men could be drafted to the military?
No.
Pointing at you?
I don't really know.
I don't really have an opinion on that.
You don't have an opinion?
Okay, so we go to war, right?
You're 18, you said?
Okay, drafting age, cool.
So we go to war.
Right now, currently, only men can get drafted into the military.
You say you don't have an opinion about it.
Let's say, you know, there was a risk of them equalizing the draft.
You have any opinions on it?
Okay, wait.
No, I don't think they should.
Sorry, I did not understand your question.
Of course.
Okay.
So being forced to go into the military.
Okay.
What about you?
No.
Okay, what about you?
No.
What about you?
No.
No.
Wow, we have no feminists at this table.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
I thought some of you might have been feminists.
You disagree with my position?
Why?
I mean, we're not as strong as men, realistically, if you are fighting a woman.
You can pull a trigger in any way, running, endurance, stamina, anything like that.
Okay, then more women are just going to die and not benefit the world.
Also, just mentally and emotionally, we're not as strong.
Like, I would say, like, it would honestly be so much more trauma for us to deal with after.
Yeah, we should protect men from that.
Okay, but you have to protect the women and I agree with you.
And I do.
Right?
No, because women are the ones that make children.
What are you doing?
So you argue with the children, the women.
You protect the women, men go to war.
Like, that's how it goes.
Well, we send the ones who don't want kids.
I thought it was equality.
I thought we have equality now.
Within none of us are feminists.
You mean it's the wrong crowd.
Some women here are probably feminist.
They just haven't.
Does it genuinely make sense to send an equal amount of to fight for our country when it literally would put us back physically?
Check this out, right?
I actually think it makes more sense.
We send, maybe this is some, I don't know anything about military strategy.
We send the women in first to kind of weaken up them.
Then the men, after all the women die, then the men come in and we can scorch them, right?
If you killed one woman, how are we procreating?
Yeah, you're all the women.
Willing to throw away our chance of procreating.
Period.
What?
I didn't say send all the women.
Just like maybe 50% of the people.
You literally said, end I quote, kill all the women.
Send 50%.
Send 50% of them.
That's great.
Brian, respectfully.
Respectfully.
No.
Respectfully.
Listen, okay.
I think as a matter of fairness, equality, equality, women should be drafted.
Okay, it hasn't been fair for how long.
Egalitarian.
What's that?
But that's not Scandinavian either.
Oh, I don't care about Scandinavia.
You're arguing for fighting for our country.
Yes.
You would want to use these strongest people.
Women are strong, independent bosses.
Women are strong.
Boss bitches, boss babies.
You guys can go to war.
You're just trolling now.
I'm not trolling.
I'm dead.
No, you're trolling.
I swear to God, I'm not trolling.
I'm not trolling.
You know that women shouldn't go to war.
You know that you could literally put us back.
How would it put us back?
We're not as strong as men.
Bro.
Physically.
What's that saying?
Like you are.
God made men.
God made men unequal.
Smith and Wesson.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
I always fuck this one up.
God damn it.
Damn, messing up all your questions tonight.
Firearms made humans equal.
Okay, a woman is capable of depressing a trigger just.
Yeah, but that is literally saying if you sat in one position, war was sitting in one position and just sitting there.
It's not into counting carrying the guns.
Women can't carry as heavy equipment for as long.
So?
We can't.
So?
So why would you send more unfit people to fight for some people?
Because equality.
No, because stupidity.
No, because equality is not a fairly significant thing.
No, because stupidity.
Well, then, why are women allowed to volunteer for the military?
Because that's their choice.
Let me ask you a question, though.
Would you object to us preventing women from volunteering for the military?
Honestly?
Okay.
All right.
Yeah.
Honestly, yeah.
Okay.
Why?
Because men are supposed to protect women and our country so that women can have kids and be caregivers to the children.
Okay, but you're talking about, for example, let's go back to the most recent draft.
We've got to watch the kids, by the way.
Hold on.
Let's go back to the most recent draft, right?
The Vietnam War.
So this was not like a massive, a lot of, granted, a lot of men were drafted in the Vietnam War, but it wasn't like we didn't send all the men to Vietnam.
So let's say we were in a conflict like Vietnam again, and we drafted.
I would actually be curious if you can look up the exact numbers, how many troops we sent over to Vietnam, how many of which were drafted.
Let's say we drafted 100,000 women to go to Vietnam.
That wouldn't have any real impact.
Like we wouldn't be able to repopulate, like that would have no real impact, you know, in terms of, oh, all the women are gone.
We can't repopulate our nation.
Are you saying like 100,000 men, 100,000 women go?
Sure.
Equal amounts.
Sure.
That are drafted.
Against a very soft version of population control there, buddy.
It's fine.
It's fine, but you're not.
Yes, it does.
200,000 people in a half of your entire army is less fit for the job.
Why would you want that for me?
That's really a sexist statement for you.
No, it's not.
It's so sexist.
It's not.
It's scientifically proven that men are stronger than women.
Oh, I agree with you.
And anytime a woman literally killed herself trying to climb Mount Average, check this out.
By herself or something to prove that she could do it, a woman-led group.
How about this?
How about this?
Let's say, then, how about that?
We draft women into support roles.
Okay, that's fine.
We need military nurses.
We need support roles.
That's fine.
Oh, okay.
I'm all care of that.
But we, okay, but we currently don't.
Okay, well, we shouldn't.
But also, as I object to this view that men are the disposable sex, and we are.
Men are the disposable sex.
That's why for millennia, for centuries, men are sent off to war to go and die.
Now, I think that this is clearly evidence of some deep-seated bias towards men.
No, it's not because you're not making babies.
It's irrelevant.
It is relevant.
No, it's the most relevant thing because we need less of you to make more humans.
We can get by with very few men.
Okay, but see, as a man, I don't really feel good.
How do you feel?
I don't really feel like, you know, that's.
Like, it's just on an individual level.
Do you think that that's a guy not?
Let's say a guy doesn't want to go to war, right?
Okay.
And he's forced into war.
Okay.
Which happened a lot.
Happens a lot.
Happens exclusively to men.
Okay.
Okay, there's benefits that come with being a man, and there's benefits that come with being a woman, and there's also drawbacks to both.
You're less likely to be killed by your partner.
You're less likely to be raped.
You're less like all of these things.
Okay, we can talk about the difference.
We can talk about the differences on the societal level.
We can talk about the differences on the societal level.
But let's talk about what's enforced by the state and the government.
And if the government says that men and women are equal by law, then so too should they be subject to military conscription, regardless of whatever social dynamics are just sort of ingrained.
To me, it's not like a social thing.
It's like a physical thing.
Like, you know, like, I'm never going to leave the argument that a woman would be less fit to serve in a war.
Like, that's just the truth.
And Brian, I'm sure you agree with that.
Agree with what?
That a woman physically stronger.
I think men make better soldiers.
Yes.
Yeah.
Exactly.
So then why would you want a woman on the front lines?
So then why would you want half women on the front line?
How would you feel about your wife being on the front lines?
To soften up the enemy.
You're insane.
To soften up the enemy.
That way, you know, when the men come, when our men come.
You're delusional.
Yeah, meat shields.
2024 did you dirty?
The delusion is just delusional.
Delusional.
Explain to me.
You would be okay with your wife being drafted.
What?
Being used as a cushion?
Hey, you know what?
That's fair.
That's equal.
What about your kids?
What do you mean, my kids?
Who's going to stay home with your kids?
I am.
Bruh.
Here's.
Yo, it's actually funny.
I was thinking about this.
I've said this before on the show, right?
So, okay.
You think about like, what is the most, and I don't like to use this term, but like a girl started asking me about this one show.
So like there's this trope about, well, like the most like boss thing to do as a man is to like jump in front of a bullet to protect your wife.
And like that's the most alpha thing.
Okay.
Actually, the most fucking alpha thing would be to use your woman as a meat shield.
That way you can continue on and get another woman pregnant and continue spreading your seed instead of sacrificing yourself like you're disposable.
That sounds selfish answer.
You're trolling.
No, I swear to God.
Brian.
No, from a sanctuary troll.
I swear to fucking God.
So continuing on your bloodline by finding a new woman to procreate with technically would be the most alpha thing.
I'm just saying.
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Women are wrong.
We're strong and independent and want equality.
Women on draft, we're not strong as men.
Stop the fucking cap.
Get the fuck out.
Hashtag equality, hashtag you fucked up.
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We're literally saying we're not as strong.
I'm saying, but they're saying the whole movement.
Mentally, I would argue that women have better intuition.
But physically, here's the thing, right?
These guys, like, I get it.
Like, oh, it's the masculine thing to like sacrifice your life for your woman, but like the apex fucking male maneuver to continue propagating your bloodline with other women would be to, bro, I'm not winning any fucking friends with this one.
Would be to sacrifice your woman so you can continue.
What if she's already pregnant?
That's the selfish, like that is the most selfish thing, but it's in your best interest, and that would be like the most in your best interest.
Yes, exactly.
Yeah, you're selfish.
You'd be a bad partner.
No, that's how I feel bad for you.
Oh, a man not wanting to die is being a bad person.
You're saying sacrifice your wife.
Yes, if you have to choose.
If you have to choose.
Yeah.
I actually think it makes more sense because I'm more capable of providing for my children than she is.
So therefore, yes.
Are there children already, hypothetically?
Like they're alive and born?
Yeah, but you don't have like then they are.
Then yes, it's better if I continue raising our children than you.
I'm more capable of providing and protecting.
We disagree with that.
Sometimes, Corn Pop in the chat says, sometimes you need to sacrifice the queen to get the checkmate.
Yeah, but women can learn how to sew.
We can sew clothes.
We can plant fruit and vegetables.
We can be very resourceful when we need to to take care of the children if we don't.
I swear I'm not trolling.
Hopefully you left some.
Hopefully you left some De Naro.
Argue where you left currently, I would be able to provide better.
And again, I don't consider myself an alpha male, but like if we're using like the that sort of like those terms, right?
I'm asking the chat here.
What's more alpha?
Taking the bullet for your wife.
So if you choose, you have the scenario, right?
She dies or you dies.
I would argue the most you could call it dark triad, whatever.
The most alpha move is your she dies, you survive, you can continue passing on your genetic legacy with other women.
That's the most gangster shit.
Right?
All these, oh, I'm a masculine man.
I'm gonna die for my woman.
Okay.
What if you didn't?
I don't know.
Maybe it's Sigma.
I don't know.
Right?
What is it?
Chat, what are your thoughts?
I'm never getting pussy again.
They hear that.
You're canceling that.
That like dries up.
Like, dude, a girl hears that shit.
It's like, bro, you're human.
He took this troll way too far.
No, I see.
Women should get drafted, though, as a men's rights advocate.
Okay.
As a men's rights advocate, women should get drafted.
Stop the cat.
I was wondering about our country.
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History tells you that a county who doesn't have young men willing to sacrifice, the country will die.
Period.
Yeah.
Volunteer service is not the stupid.
Okay.
History tells you that a country who doesn't have young men willing to sacrifice the country will die.
Okay, cool.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Here, we got some chats here.
Move that.
Can you read this one?
Can you read this one?
Yeah.
Thank you, Jay.
It's known that women make better marksman snipers when it comes to military services.
They take instruction better than men.
There's no ego involved.
23-year veteran of Canadians.
The Canadians and Air Force.
I've heard that before.
This one.
Maddie is so talented.
She can be live on a podcast and respond on LF at the same time.
Could have at least turned on honest balance seriousness how much time.
That's not true, but I do have an open message when you subscribe that gets sent out automatically.
Oh, okay.
No typer or whatever it's called.
Okay.
Good times.
Look, women should get drafted.
Nope.
Nope.
Okay.
All right.
Should we take away the vote for women?
What?
You realize that that's how men got the right to vote, right?
Is being subject to military conscription.
Honestly, if you took away my right to vote, I wouldn't be upset.
Any other ladies here want to weigh in on the voting thing?
Girl, for your body?
Like, what if you're raped and you get pregnant?
Angle society.
Okay, I mean, I think.
What does that have to do with voting?
Because you're voting for rights over your body.
Like, rights over what.
Even if women didn't have so much stuff, but that's what's included.
Like, women's rights are getting, like, rolled back with all of that.
So SA has been criminalized even before women's suffrage.
You do realize that, right?
Yeah, but you know that they're trying to make.
I don't.
Yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about.
No, I don't want to say a word on it.
Can I say that?
Baby eater 3000 when you get rid of your baby.
They're trying to make that illegal.
Yeah, I'm scared as we.
I'm so sorry.
Yeah, they're trying to make that.
Who?
They got rid of Roe v. Wade, which just put it back to the states.
The states decide.
Yeah, but now some states don't allow, right?
So why, as a woman, would you give up your right to vote on things that have to do with your body and everything else?
There's so many other things, but that's just like one example.
Well, I'm pro-life, so there's that.
Okay, but would you feel the same way if it happened?
Like I said, if I didn't have the right to vote, I wouldn't be upset.
That's so sad for women, honestly, and our society.
I disagree.
The feminist coming up.
Are you saying that, like, your husband would vote in your best interest?
Not about the abortion issue, but.
Absolutely.
My husband would vote in my best interest.
I would trust that.
Yeah.
Being a good wife is being able to submit to your husband and trust in his decisions to lead.
Yeah.
I think what the problem is is that we've lost sight of the real traditional nuclear family that is supposed to be valued.
And if things were the way that they should be and that we do have those values, then yeah, the woman wouldn't really need to vote.
In today's society.
I'm not representing her well, then I can see that.
In today's society, you know, I do like the right to vote, but like I said, maybe if I'm changing the perspective to if I never had it, I don't think it would affect me.
But now that I've had it, if they were to take it away, that's kind of different.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I think.
Wait, I have a question for you, Maddie.
If a guy gets a woman pregnant and she wants to keep the kid.
Yeah.
But he, let's say he's not ready to be a dad.
Maybe he's not mentally ready.
He doesn't want, he's not financially ready.
What do you say to him?
Did he consensually make the choice to come in this woman?
I'm not sure where you're going with that argument, but sure.
Let's say yes.
If you come, sorry, I'm gonna point at you.
If you come in a girl, then you are consenting to the idea that she could get pregnant, and you are doing that willingly knowing that she has a choice now because it's in her body.
Okay, so as a woman, then, if you consent and you want a man to come inside of you, and you realize that that carries a pregnancy risk, are you saying that would you not be in favor of her not, or would you not be in favor, fuck Jesus?
Would you be against her getting an abortion?
I'm not against abortion.
Okay, well, I'm a little confused there.
So you're saying when if you think that consent to sex on the man's part or consent, like coming inside of a girl, means you are consenting to being a father and being financially obligated to 18 years for child support?
When you come in a girl, that is what you are doing, right?
You come in a girl to try to get pregnant.
Like also you.
Or you could just think it feels pleasurable.
Well, it doesn't matter because biologically, that is what people do to get pregnant.
So you don't get a bad thing.
Wouldn't that apply to women too?
To get came inside?
What?
Yeah.
I mean, you're letting him get away.
You let him do it.
But let him penetrate you with a line.
Like, that's a risk you're taking is getting pregnant.
Not only did you let him penetrate you without a condom, you're also more aware of your cycle.
You're aware of your closer to ovulation.
He doesn't necessarily know that.
You know what stage in your cycle you're in.
Are you arguing that, like, the man shouldn't have to be a father to the kid or should have a say in whether the baby is had or not?
Well, it's interesting because you're basically, so you're saying that if a man consents to sex, then he's also consenting to...
To a risk of pregnancy.
Which you acknowledge he has, if the woman chooses to say.
Not growing in his body.
So he should have, the man should have done what?
He should have kept his legs closed.
He should have not had sex.
There's protection or there's trust in the person that you're having sex with.
sometimes those things fail okay but what if the woman lied that she was on birth control Then that's an B.
No, but what if she wants to keep the bus?
I've seen it happen.
Ah, but legally, he would still be obliged to pay child support.
Yeah, but you're still having sex with the person.
You know what?
Birth control fails too.
I've seen people get pregnant on IUDs.
But it's interesting that how you have, so you're saying that it's more ethical.
Or, well.
You're saying that murdering, killing an unborn child is better than better than what?
Than the father abandoning his child?
Killing an unborn child is better than a father abandoning the child?
Like, that's more acceptable.
I'm arguing that women should have a right to their body.
But we're talking about a life.
Like, if the woman decides.
It's not a life, it's a few cells.
Clumpy.
It will produce a life though.
It's going to produce a body.
Someone can't force you to give birth.
That's a lot.
Yeah, but you also had a choice.
You have a choice to not have sex.
So did the man.
Yeah, you're both taking, which is a lot easier, is it not?
When it comes to not come.
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Whoever just sent the last message is lying.
I messaged Maddie asking for an egged squatting video an hour ago and still haven't gotten a response.
Maddie, message me after you're done.
You're beautiful.
Thank you.
Okay, thank you.
It's just interesting, like people who like when you look at the male perspective when it comes to perhaps an unwanted pregnancy, you guys, your arguments are basically pro-life arguments, but for men.
You should have not done that.
You should have kept your legs closed.
Too bad.
Suck it up.
Enjoy the 18 years of child support.
But a woman, here's the other look at it.
A woman, you would tell a woman who says, I'm not financially ready to have a child.
You'd be like, totally fine with you getting an abortion.
A woman who's not ready to raise a child, you'd say, totally fine with you getting an abortion.
But when it comes to the man side of that equation, you're like, tough.
Suck it up.
He doesn't carry the baby.
Doesn't matter.
But it's his semen.
Tell you what, here's how about this.
So if a man fails to pay child support, we've done away with debtors' prisons in the United States.
You cannot go to prison for a financial debt, except when it comes to child support.
And this is definitely a gendered issue because men are overwhelmingly the ones that are legally compelled.
Typically, through the mother, this is something mothers seek out.
Men are legally compelled to pay child support, and if they don't, they're going to be jailed.
Okay, but see, I'm not sure.
That is taking away that is taking away their bodily autonomy.
But I would.
And you're forcing them to labor, which is and pay money that they would perhaps not want to give.
That's taking away their bodily autonomy.
You'd force them to work.
But I'm arguing that women should always have the choice if they keep the baby.
I didn't say it was right that men have to pay for the next 18 years, whether they're involved or not.
I agree with that.
That's what I'm saying.
We're just saying that a woman should have her own choice over her own body.
But it's interesting to me, though.
You're talking about bodily autonomy, but you say that men shouldn't have bodily autonomy because they get drafted into war.
What?
Men don't have bodily autonomy because they're subject to military conscription.
They're not carrying children.
I don't see how that's relevant.
I do.
I would actually argue that forced military conscription is a bigger infringement on bodily autonomy than abortion.
A woman's lack of ability to get an abortion.
Do you disagree?
Can you say it one more time?
Okay, so here's the difference.
So I would argue that forced military conscription is a bigger infringement upon bodily autonomy than a woman not having a legal right to an abortion.
I'd say they're almost similar, honestly.
Really?
Okay, so one, so forced military conscription is your government saying, we are, despite your desires, we are going to pluck you out of Kentucky, put you in a war zone where, let's look at World War I. You're going to be in the trench for months.
You're going to see a bunch of death.
You're going to have tinnitus because of all the military, excuse me, because of all of the shelling that's just bombardment non-stop.
You're going to have trench foot.
You're going to get chemical gassed.
You may very well just die.
Or if you're not, you're going to be a casualty and you'll have perhaps substantial physical injury.
And if you don't have physical injury, you'll have significant mental injury.
They called it shell shock.
There's been different names, PTSD.
I would argue that the state forcing you to do that versus a woman who, for example, consents to having sex and she has an unwanted pregnancy and she's not capable of getting an abortion.
So my position, again, is it's a bigger infringement upon one's bodily autonomy to be forced into war than you not being able to undergo a medical procedure.
It's not just a medical procedure.
That's actually exactly what I'm saying.
Oh, but if you don't do it, what it is.
If you don't do it, it is a life.
It is a whole lot of things.
You could give it up for adoption if you were so inclined.
If you're not ready to carry the responsibility of motherhood, then you're not ready for sex.
That's my opinion.
You could give the child up for adoption.
So your argument about, well, it's an 18-year commitment isn't necessarily true.
And there's actually safe, like you can, almost in every single.
But why is that fair to like that kid?
Like, why would you go through all of that?
I know adopted kids and they are fucked up.
Sure.
Beyond belief.
Sure.
So every single one of them.
So why would you just have to?
You have the option to do it.
You could give it up for adoption.
That would be an option.
But why would you want to take away someone's option to not make someone else's life fucking miserable?
Wait, so are you guys arguing that adoption, like give, look, I'm not saying it's great for the child, but I think if a woman you can go to the fire department, you can go to the fire department and leave it with the, this is a thing that women can do, that you won't get in trouble for it.
You leave it with the, at the fire department.
And that's ruining someone's life.
It genuinely is.
I mean, now we're arguing about something different.
My initial argument was, and I'm, if you're initial argument.
It's a bigger bodily autonomy infringement.
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Fact biology says human life starts at conception.
Yep.
The baby is not your body.
When you consent to sex, you know the risk of pregnancy.
Own up to your actions.
Do not play God and kill another life.
This is very, very true.
It's like we have a lot of, we have precautions, we have warning signs, but yet we choose to ignore them.
That's like driving without a seatbelt.
It's like you know what the risk is.
Okay, but I got pregnant on birth control and never was came inside with an abusive partner that beat me.
You want me to keep the baby?
I'm not saying anything to you personally.
And I don't, this isn't even a personal attack.
I'm just, I'm questioning your values.
I'm questioning your argument.
That's the only thing that I'm talking about.
I'm not saying anything about you.
Yes, that's unfortunate, but you could have given the baby up for adoption.
But why?
But you are ruining another person's life.
But you're not going to guarantee that that baby's life is ruined.
Wait, so you're saying putting a baby up for adoption versus aborting them?
Is that your argument?
I'm not growing up without parents.
But so, is your argument that it's better to have been aborted than to grow up in foster care, basically?
Than to just have it to give it up?
Yes, I am saying it is better to do that.
If you are not going to have the child have a good partner that you think is going to be a good fit is another parent, then you should not have the kid.
If you're not financially stable, you should not have the kid.
Okay.
I like that's my stance.
Okay.
Okay.
Sure, you're pro-life.
Or excuse me.
So, sorry, you're pro-choice.
Okay.
I don't even know how we really got there.
In any case, I still think, I mean, I don't know if you still, if I've been able to convince you that it is a greater infringement on bodily autonomy to be drafted as a man forced into God, King Xerxes donated $100.
Last time donating.
So, would you rather be sad or have a bad life?
Should we kill all depressed people?
Stupid argument.
Why take away its life?
Abortion is taking away any chance.
We're all starting off as a ball of cells, but that's the beautiful thing: look what it created.
Created you, created everybody that's sitting here at this podcast.
You know, your parent could have easily chose to not have you and aborted you.
And that's sad, and that's devastating.
We're together and financially stable, and I grew up in a good household.
And my parents weren't financially stable, and I ended up being okay.
You know, everybody makes choices in their life that can change for the better.
Somebody who's adopted, grew up in the foster system, you know what they can get out of the system?
They can make something of themselves.
But the trauma, you are guaranteeing certain trauma to someone before they are even born.
Trauma happens to everybody.
We're just talking about certain trauma.
Before someone is even born, you are not giving them the best chance at life.
But we're also generalizing the foster system.
So shouldn't we just?
Not every foster kid is going to have to be a lot of people.
Shouldn't we just take your argument to the maximum?
Like, isn't it the Buddhist saying, life is suffering, right?
So should we just abort everyone because we'll inevitably encounter some sort of suffering in our life?
No, I think that's what I've done.
You can only have kids if you have a good situation already to give them the best chance possible.
Anyways, this kind of stemmed from.
Look, I want to restate it one more time.
So forced military conscription is a bigger infringement upon bodily autonomy than abortion.
Agree or disagree?
I feel like they're similar, which is what I said earlier.
I'm in the same place.
So, so, okay, you think that I don't even know how to convince you on this.
Similar.
You think it's similar?
I guess this is okay.
So, let me ask you a question.
Let's remove abortion from this.
Do you think that the average woman's experience with pregnancy is worse than the average person's experience in the military?
But you're not saying you're not saying the pregnancy and how it is going.
You're taking away the choice or not, right?
Like, that's what you're arguing?
I don't think pregnancy is as bad as going to war.
If you're getting shot at, it's not as bad as carrying a child for nine months.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
So, but that doesn't.
The government has the potential to force men into that position.
Yeah, in the same way that if you take away rights to an abortion, you are also forcing women.
Actually, no, because, I mean, look, there's certain situations where women are assaulted and that's terrible, but the vast majority of women are getting abortions of convenience.
They got pregnant, they're fucking, they're consensually fucking their boyfriend.
You know this.
Most women are getting abortions because, like, their fucking boyfriend knocked them up.
You know this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
With Brian's point, though, like, men being drafted to war, you know, they're going to have a risk of, you know, dying, right?
So we're talking about actually taking away a life that's here.
To your point, if you believe that life doesn't begin until a certain amount of time, I don't know what your belief system is on that.
You're saying because we're taking away a potential life versus taking away an actual life, the potential life is worse than actual life.
Women actually have a higher chance of dying during pregnancy.
Have a higher chance.
Compared to what?
No, I'm so sorry.
Men don't get pregnant.
From like your first pregnancy is like your highest chance of dying.
Okay.
What are the exact numbers on that?
Relatively low.
Well, I'm just saying there's still a chance, just like the war.
Yeah, of course.
I mean, you can.
No, it's not the same.
We're going to move on a little bit, but what's the problem?
One final thought on this.
So I think what would be fair in states where abortion is legal, I think men should have a corresponding right called legal paternal surrender to if the woman gets pregnant and he can make some sort of legal election to not be financially responsible, he can waive his parental rights.
Yeah, I would agree with that.
And I actually think that would be a very strong platform for pro-choice people to present to perhaps shift more men to the pro-choice side by saying, let's bundle abortion rights with legal paternal surrender.
In any state where this is legal, gentlemen, say you're dating a girl, she wants to keep the kid, you're not financially ready, you're not emotionally ready, all the same reasons that women give for having abortions.
I think men should be able to legally surrender their parental rights.
Yeah.
Which includes no, so not being compelled to pay child support, basically.
Yeah, I think within a certain time frame that you should be able to make that decision and sign off on it and it be legal.
Yeah.
I, yeah, that's my position.
If there was a middle ground, then yeah, I guess that's fair.
If there was.
I think that would honestly be a big W for the pro-choice movement.
Try to, you know, appeal to some men on this.
I don't know.
Anyways, okay, let's get a couple chats in, then we're going to try to wrap up here very soon.
Okay, so we have.
Can you read this one, Maddie?
Deleting your unborn child is not your body.
You are ending the life of your own child who is yet to be born.
So selfish.
How is that so hard to understand?
I'll just never have a kid in this world without a good partner.
I think Dave Chappelle has a joke.
Like, if you can.
Actually, it's kind of.
Eh, Dave Chappelle.
Should I say it?
Say it.
He has a joke.
It's like, well, if you can murder the kid, I can at least, I should at least be able to abandon it.
Yeah, fair.
Fair, right?
My wallet, my choice.
No, yeah, that's good.
Yep.
All right, we have OPC Don.
I've heard through the grapevine that Grace Thorpe has been invited to be a guest on the show.
Can't wait to see her on.
She will definitely be one of your most interesting podcast guests yet.
Yeah, we still need to get that scheduled, but I've been messaging with her.
We have another one here.
It's coming in psych.
You are a few cells as well.
Everyone is by your logic.
I can go around and delete whoever I like before whenever I want.
Actually, no, because those cells didn't have a consciousness.
So.
Profound.
Oh, hold on.
This one's coming in.
One sec.
Can you read that one?
An abortion is never a necessary health care when a woman's health is at risk.
It's called anatopic pregnancy.
This is not an abortion.
Please educate yourself on pregnancy.
Oh, okay.
All right.
And then we have this one.
Oh, hold on.
Sorry, not sure why that's not coming up.
Oh, wait.
What?
That one already came up.
Weird.
Let me skip that.
Let's see.
Hold on.
Is it going to trigger?
I'm not sure.
Okay, let me read this one.
Can you read this one?
Brian uses this draft point so much as if it's a good argument.
Draft hasn't happened in half a century.
No one is worried about getting drafted.
It'll never happen.
As tech advances, we have peeps volunteer for the military.
It isn't comparable.
Okay, wait, actually leave it up because I'll address it.
Okay, first off, so the draft was used in the Vietnam War.
So there are men who were drafted in the Vietnam War who would have still been alive today had they not been drafted.
And there are men who are alive today who were drafted in the Vietnam War who have significant injuries, who have injuries of mind, who have PTSD.
So yes, it's still relevant.
Absolutely.
Now, if we look at other countries, for example, if you look at the Ukraine-Russia conflict, if you look at the conflict in the Middle East right now, that's certainly relevant.
And I actually think we're closer to war now than in any point in the past, I don't know, since the Cold War, basically.
I don't think the draft is irrelevant.
And also, when it comes to the draft, even if we're not currently engaged in some military conflict where there's a prospect of the draft being initiated, there are still consequences as a man if you do not register for the selective service.
For example, while there hasn't been prosecutions for this in recent history, it's still technically a crime.
It's a felony.
You can go to jail for, I think it's five years.
There's a $250,000 fine.
Also, you're not eligible to vote if you don't register for the draft or excuse me, register for the selective service.
If you don't register for the selective service, there's also certain federal ramifications.
You can't get certain federal jobs.
You can't get federal student loans.
You're barred from certain federal programs if you're not registered for the selective service.
So even if there's not an actual ongoing draft, there's gendered ramifications exclusively for men that negatively impact men on this front.
So also, look, I'll point to a modern conflict.
Look at the war in Ukraine.
Ukraine isn't exactly a Western country, but if you can look at it, all the men had to stay in the country.
As a man, you had to stay in the country if you were in Ukraine.
All the women could leave the country.
That seems rather unfair to me.
All the feminists disappear when there's a war.
There's no more feminists when fucking Russia invades your country.
In fact, you know, it's very funny.
Let's talk about, often you hear terms like male privilege, right?
Men are privileged.
While the men had to stay in Ukraine and could not leave the country, could not flee the country.
We're talking like 18, 19, 20, 21-year-old Ukrainian men.
You had Ukrainian women who could leave the country and they're going to Stockholm.
They're going to the UK.
They're going to a safe territory.
They're going in the club.
They're partying.
They're on Tinder.
While the Ukrainian men, their male counterparts, are dying in Ukraine.
So actually, there's a.
Wait, fuck.
There's a really good vote.
Oh, wait, hold on.
Ooh, okay, we can't pull it up.
Fuck.
Someone made a compilation video of like people were taking screenshots of Ukrainian women on dating apps in like Sweden and the UK living their best lives.
And then on the other side of this photo, there's just dead bodies of Ukrainian men.
So we should have a conversation about female privilege.
Oh.
Male privilege.
Anything?
Nothing?
Not going to get any pushback on that.
There's no male privilege.
What's that?
There's no male privilege.
Okay.
All right.
There you go.
Okay.
Let's see.
Oh, there's this one if you can read them, Addie.
Already been subscribed before pod got to you messages during pod.
Common practice.
Also, videos definitely staged.
Bro, no one is on my account.
I'm not on my account right now.
There's no messaging happening.
You could pull up.
I would give you $11 to message me right now.
Oh, okay.
Can you read this one?
Oh, fuck.
Sorry.
Wrong one.
This one.
Shout out from Tusicola, Alabama, retired USN, 100%.
You said it wrong.
Sorry.
Okay, okay.
100% disabled veteran via PTSD: abortion is murder.
And yes, I've been in that room.
It hurt me so much I can't even date anymore.
I'm only 33.
I hate Margaret Senger.
You feminists know her.
I don't know her.
Abortion has a huge effect on a woman, on our mental health, our bodies, they go through a lot after you have an abortion.
It's a really sad experience, and it's something that you're never going to forget.
Really?
Because I forgot about it a long time ago.
Doesn't sound like it.
You brought it up.
Birth control.
What?
So does birth control.
Yeah, birth control affects a lot of things too.
Hmm.
Q, you have a story.
Q, you got a story here about a woman who erupted in a jealous rage.
Can you tell us about that?
Yeah, so I was casually seeing a woman.
It was long distance.
That's why I say casually.
So it wasn't going to be a serious thing.
At the time I was living in Philly, she was living in Long Island, New York.
And she had actually took a bus to see me.
She took a bus from Long Island to Raleigh, North Carolina to see me on her own dime.
And we spent some time together when she went back.
Never told her that we were actually serious, like in terms of monogamy or commitment.
And she followed me on social media.
One day I seen this post that said, I love girls who speak Spanish.
And it was, they were quoting a song by Nelly Underley, Underley Mama, E-I-E-I-O-O.
So I commented and I posted that in Spanish if the headwrite cue there every night.
And she seen me post that.
And when she saw me post that, I got my phone blown up with a whole bunch of messages.
Go fuck that Spanish bitch.
Fuck you.
I'm done.
Never hit me up.
Leave me alone.
So I'm like, I didn't even know why she was reacting this way.
So I'm like, what the hell?
Like, why is she doing all this?
And I said, okay, when she said, I'm done, I just responded, okay.
So then after that, she proceeded to call me 54 times, like back to back to back, like consecutively.
54?
That's right.
54 times.
So I finally picked up on the 55th time, and she was in the phone screaming, the fucking Spanish bitch is that.
So I hung up and then she called me back and I ignored it.
She called me back again.
I said, yo, stop calling me.
She said, fuck you.
So after I didn't respond, she called me like 20 more times.
So instead of, and since I didn't respond, she hit me with a text message.
I'm getting on a bus right now and I'm coming to Philadelphia.
It was like 2 a.m.
She jumped on a mega bus at 2 a.m. and took the mega bus to Philadelphia to come see me to try to talk it out.
We ended up talking.
I hit again.
She got up.
She left.
I never talked to her again.
Because I told her, once you tell me you're done, I'm going to take it as you're done.
There's no reconciling with me.
You know what would have been funny is if after she came back and you guys were finished, she should have posted Why Are You So Obsessed With Me by Mariah Carey and put that on your story?
But before she got on the whole bus on her own dime, as you say, was it clear to her that you guys' relationship was casual and non-monogamous?
I'm transparent.
Honest.
That right.
Any woman I deal with.
That's her fault.
That is her own fault.
Yeah.
Q, you also wanted to talk about the woman's self-assessed flaws in dating without blaming the man.
Yeah, I did.
Because a lot of women lack accountability when it comes to their poor dating experiences.
So I wanted to know what do you women think you lack when it comes to dating?
What would you change about yourself?
And what do you think is a flaw about yourself that would ruin a relationship?
I would say having an OnlyFans isn't great.
There's sex tapes of me and other men on the internet.
That's not great.
Also, my social media is not great.
Like, you know, I would agree with all of those things.
Am I a good partner?
Yes.
Am I loyal?
Yes.
Do I like care about money and all that stuff?
No.
But I would say that that takes a huge toll.
So you wouldn't turn around and blame the man or say he's insecure for not wanting to date you if he said.
No, that's personal preference.
That's totally fine.
Okay.
What about you?
I would view it the same way.
OnlyFans, problematic.
You wouldn't have an issue if the guy told you he didn't want to deal with you.
Well, yeah, that's okay.
okay so you think as long as like you're not like as long as you respect me and like you can communicate it with me then I don't have a problem with you okay Okay.
So neither one of y'all, no behavioral issues, no attitude, no inclined to be spiteful, jealous.
I don't have an attitude.
I'm like very mellow, but I'm also.
Rage and Cajun donated $100.
Bricks and ask Maddie if she ever has it or not to reply.
This will be fun to watch and she just got up to change it.
Plus, your voice says it all.
Drop an insta.
I have receipts.
Patriarchy is here to warn men.
Wait, what is it?
Do you have her have it on auto reply?
That's his question, I guess.
No.
I have a message that goes out when you subscribe and then I have messages that go out on time stuff to like everyone at the same time.
Okay.
Which you can schedule.
Good times?
Yeah, so as I was saying, behaviorally.
No.
Never burn clothes, never burn video games, never slash tires, never.
No.
No, my ex hard-launched another girl while I was with him because he was like that bad of a cheater.
And I offered, because he was like a little bit ill, I offered to house him for free, get him a car, and pay for his therapy and medication so he could get better.
So no.
You dated this guy?
For a year and a half.
Did you have a, I mean, you were wearing a size queen t-shirt.
Did he have a huge pin?
Honestly, no.
He's like slightly above average.
Huh.
Really loved him.
Never burn.
Any clothes?
Any video games?
You bought him a car?
Was it a beater or like a good car?
I was renting.
What are we talking about excited?
I'm talking about what are your behavioral flaws when it comes to dating you.
Yeah.
I just, I wouldn't count my first relationship.
Like, I wouldn't count what I did in the relationship.
Why?
Because he deserved it.
It was well deserved.
So what did he deserve?
So, like I said, the economy in Turkey is pretty bad.
And this guy, I was talking to him since I was 17.
And we were practically like engaged.
We were going to get married within a, like at that time, I think it was like two years or something.
And then I caught him like cheating.
And this like kept happening.
And he would blame me like somehow.
Like he'd be like, oh, like it's because like you're ugly or like something like that.
And I was like little.
So I thought like that was like the only thing I knew about a guy.
So I was like, oh, like he's right.
So then, so you know how we were going to get married?
Well, he was going to come live in the U.S. because obviously I didn't want to live in Turkey anymore.
And so he had a sponsor here.
And that was his only way of being able to come because I'm not a citizen.
So I fucked his sponsor and filmed it.
So you're spiteful.
Revenge.
Oh, shit.
What?
Sorry, that took a while.
Sorry.
You fucked his bouncer.
Sponsor.
Sponsor.
But did he not deserve it?
What did he do again?
He cheated.
Even like with my mom's friend.
Was she hot?
She was 70.
70?
He fucked a 70-year-old.
What the fuck?
Sound like nice sex addiction.
Were you wanting to go around the table?
Yeah, yeah, I was going to go around the table.
I wanted all to tell me.
I think my flaw in the relationship is probably emotional volatility.
I think a lot of women struggle with that.
And as you mature, I think you get a better handle on your negative emotions and you stop being such like a detriment to your partner.
Okay.
So that's what I'm working on.
Okay.
I like that.
What about you?
I don't know. I feel like.
Oh, you perfect.
Not perfect.
Oh, okay.
I don't think there's anything like crazy or anything.
I can just be moody and like hangry.
What do you think would piss a man?
Yeah, what do you think would piss him off?
Hangry red flag.
No self-sabotaging, no.
Wait, what was the question?
Like, what do you think would at least piss him off?
There's something that I would do.
Yeah.
Like, behaviorally.
Like, what do you have a tendency to do?
Like, when you're upset or ignore people when I'm mad.
Ignore people.
Like, I'll like completely like not like ghosts, but I'll just like don't go on my phone.
It just won't respond.
Yeah.
How do you respond if that's done to you by a man?
That's never happened to me.
Oh, oh, she got it made.
Okay.
Excuse me.
Well, you was laughing.
I'm curious to know about you.
I'm curious.
What have I done to a man?
Yeah, what do you do when he's done something bad to me?
Okay.
And don't judge me.
But in the past, I have sliced tires.
I have thrown bricks in cars.
I've put sugars in tanks.
I, yeah, I have hit.
Yeah.
You've physically physical abuse.
Yeah.
She reminded me of one of my exes.
What did the guy do?
He just kind of like was five minutes late to pick you up.
Yo, like he was just cheating and playing with my emotions, and I don't like that.
You could just broke up with him.
You know, I have this like very instead of committing multiple felonies.
I have done that to more than once.
I'm so sorry, but I just have this like it's really bad, and I'll admit it.
You deranged.
I'm bipolar.
One or two.
And one.
I'm bipolar.
That's brutal.
I mean, I'm working on it.
But yeah, I got a temper on being able to say that.
But I'm fun.
I mean, they always are.
They always are.
It's always the fun ones that'll put sugar in the tea.
You know what they say?
Crazy people fuck the best, though.
Is it worth it, though?
Is it worth it?
There's a verse in the Bible: better a man alone in the desert than with a nagging wife.
Proverbs 21:19, man.
Yeah.
Of course, you know that one, Brian.
Yeah, that's my favorite.
Perhaps the only Bible verse.
Name a few more.
Name a few more.
Well, I think that's it.
That's the only one I know.
Jesus whooped.
Well, John 3:16, but okay.
She said she got a crazy side.
I said no.
Oh, okay.
I thought you said yeah.
Nothing.
I feel like she's a sweetheart.
She appears that way, but every woman has something hiding under.
It's just waiting.
She slashed tires for sure.
It could be anything like maybe your favorite.
Have you ever stabbed any insecure, jealousy, spiteful, petty?
I mean, murdering his whole family.
No.
No.
Genocide.
Maybe like, that's like my way of flirting.
Genocide.
Oh, okay.
Not like slap them.
Okay.
So you've never been pissed off at a man?
I mean, yeah, of course, but like not physically or anything.
Have you ever ruined a man's whole reputation and got him fired from his job?
We know you.
Wait, she, hold on.
We know she has.
Holy.
She's taking it to CEO.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, shit.
Okay.
I'm not proud of it.
I've reported.
I've reported my ex for disability fraud and sent in videos of us fucking to the government.
I love him.
He was snitching.
He was lying to me about having a job.
So he was faking disability and fucking rats.
That's crazy.
He was a cheater and lying.
You want him to just get a free arm?
No, I'm Russian.
That makes sense.
Oh, right.
I'm Russian too.
You are.
Yeah.
I knew you were something spicy.
What's your story?
What you do when you get angry?
Because I know you got some stories.
Well, as you know, I like to debate.
Yeah, I know that.
Honestly, so I was in a really toxic relationship for like three years and my ex was like abusive physically, verbally.
I mean, like things that I could tell you, I could go on and on, but I'm not going to get into it.
But I never did anything back.
I kind of just took it and like sat in the corner and cried.
That's really what I did.
Then after I left him, I carried some of that trauma into my relationships.
And so for me, what I needed was because my ex would say things about my appearance.
And so like, I'm the person that like I do have insecurity.
And so I need my man, my husband, to like validate me a lot.
And I think that's probably my downfall.
And also I can catch an attitude real quick.
But I have worked on that a lot.
Seriously, I'm a lot better.
It's the personal growth for me.
He loves me.
Love you, babe, if you're watching.
I know you're watching.
Last thing from UQ.
You said also that you what do they expect from the men they date?
Do you want me to go around the table on this?
Yeah, you can go around the table.
What do you expect from the men you date?
I expect honesty, transparency, a drive, some kind of passion.
I don't care if you make a lot of money, but if you're passionate about something that's important to me, and respect.
Those are valid.
What if they're passionate about like frogs?
I was going to say ducks.
I was going to say ducks.
They know like the taxonomy of.
I would usually prefer some kind of artist over that, but if I mean, well, if you're really well-versed in something, you're probably intelligent.
What if he has like a really good knowledge of World of Warcraft?
Like, what if he knows?
Oh, my God.
I love this topic.
Yeah, so what if he knows, for example, you know, all the best, you know, everything.
Oh, my God, I'm butchering it already.
The bis races.
So, for example, if you're playing Warrior in the classic World of Warcraft and you're human, right, you're going to want to be, wait, sorry, Warrior.
You're going to want to be a human, right?
Because of that passive sword spec.
Five plus sword skill, five plus mace skill.
PvE, you definitely go human, right?
Now, there's some debate over what's best, of course, if you're going to be PvP, right?
Now, what if he has like in-depth, like his knowledge of World of Warcraft, he's a raid leader.
Like, he knows all the mechanics with bosses in Molten Core, Black and Lair, Nax, AQ-40, also world bosses too.
He knows all the mechanics.
He can competently teach and raid, teach how to, you know, even somebody who doesn't have any experience, he can teach them how to raid.
Yeah, right?
And he's just like, he knows everything.
He knows like everything about the game.
Best in slot.
He knows like what's best in slot.
He knows the best enchants for your gear and your weapons and shit.
And then like obviously when it comes to like the world buff meta, like he knows, okay, here's the best way.
First, check this shit out, right?
If you're on horde, the first thing you do, you get DM.
No, no, no, sorry, excuse me.
The first thing you do if you're buffing on horde, like, you know, for getting world buffs and shit, you're going to definitely, you have to go to Dire Maul first.
And you're going to get the three buffs from Dire Maul, right?
Boom.
Then you're immediately going to, you're going to hearth.
You're going to hearth, right?
Yep.
Hearth.
Then you need to go get Songflower from Felwood.
You need to get Songflower.
I've only lost an hour.
You need to...
Hopefully you get summoned.
You get summoned to Fellwood.
You get Songflower buff.
only lasts an hour then you just heard back to no no sorry You have a mage there.
The mage is going to give you a portal back to Orgramar.
Then you're going to get Warchief's Blessing.
I think I'm experiencing brainwashing.
Wait, quick question: Fire Mage or Ice Mage.
Thought she's getting wet over here.
No.
So you play video games?
So, like, check this shit out, right?
You're going to get Rally and Cry.
You're going to get Rally and Cry of the Dragon Slayer.
And you're going to get Warchief's Blessing, right?
Check that shit out, right?
Then you got to fucking get, like, summoned to Stranglethorn, Stranglethorn, because you need the ZG buff, right?
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
I'm right there.
That's efficient passion.
Okay, so I don't like video games.
So someone that spends that much time on a computer playing video games would be hard for me to be with, hypothetically.
Damn, you just wasted your time.
No matter the amount of fashion, but I did start to get wet, like maybe 30 seconds in, but at the two minute, 45 second mark, I like started to dry up.
So maybe like cut the spiel a little.
What if he's like a little goblin like Joker D, right?
And he's like world first to hit 60 on like a fresh realm.
Like he's a mage, right?
Obviously, you're going to be a mage if you're trying to hit like level 60 first.
For sure.
So like you're just like, think the way I compare this show is like I'm AoE farming you guys.
Like you guys are kind of noobs.
Kind of noobs.
And I'm like just AoE farming you.
Like you're like some murlocs, right?
I'm a noob.
AoE farming you guys.
And it's just like I'm gonna Frost Nova, boom, easy.
And then I'm gonna like Arcane Explosion and then like Flamestrike Cone of Cold.
And then Arcane Explosion, like, but Cone of Cold keep you guys snared and shit.
And it's just like, I'm just farming you guys like easy XP.
I respect that.
Yeah.
Honestly.
Yeah, that's something that I would like maybe respect.
And like when you explain it the second time around, I would now consider that a high-value man that I would consider dating.
Huge.
Yeah, like this is like I'm like basically like I'm just pulling mobs, right?
Like this is me pulling like mobs.
Literally, you're pulling mobs.
So no, but my biggest question is like, what are you doing later?
What?
Shit, ask the panel.
It worked.
Druid, mage, paladin, or warrior.
Sorry, Maddie.
I know, I know you're enamored with me.
know but unfortunately because i'm on my knees Yeah, yeah.
I'm banging.
I'm banging.
Unfortunately, Maddie, the fact, just by virtue.
You betrayed me, Daddy.
What?
She trying to do it.
Just by virtue, Maddie, just by virtue of there being videos of you having sexual intercourse with men on the internet, I couldn't do it.
Sorry.
For those reasons, I'm out.
Next one.
You've been eliminated.
You fired.
Respect.
I have a question.
Yeah.
Have you had a girl on the panel that played WoW?
Probably.
I don't play video games anymore.
That's just like my old self.
That's all just on memory?
Yep.
That's burned.
My husband plays a lot of WoW.
Well, the fucking chad.
A fucking legend.
I think he got legendary.
I'm sorry.
I totally.
We were going around the table.
I don't know if she remembers the question.
What was it?
Oh, what do you expect from men that you did?
Um.
Not a lot.
Really?
Like, probably it's like respect and then like, kind of just like keep me on my toes.
And that's it.
Keep you on your toes.
Just like, so like, I'm not, like, bored.
Like, you know, like, just always, like, like, occasionally treat you like shit, but also respect you.
Well, you should treat me like shit at times.
He should?
Like, in bed.
Like, you know?
Bro, these girls be like, I want a guy to respect me, but also spit on my face and call me a fucking cum slut or you right?
Yeah.
So weird.
I don't get.
It's kind of weird.
Like, you know what's funny?
Like, the like most like zealous feminists who are like, men should respect women are also like the most degenerate in the bedroom.
Like they want, like, I'm talking gnarly fantasies and shit.
Want to be degraded?
Want fucking like their, what is it, masochists?
It's fucking crazy, bro.
It's weird.
Oh, shoot.
Okay, so you want to be treated like shit in bed, basically?
Give us an example.
No.
You don't know what to do.
Do you want to be slapped?
Is that it?
You want to be slapped in the bedroom?
At least.
At least?
You want to be punched?
Damn.
You eight?
You eight?
You eight.
You eight, bro.
Trauma.
Why are you laughing though?
It's like that Rihanna song.
Wait, so okay.
Let's so at least the bare minimum is a guy for just to smack you across the face as hard as he can.
I mean, he should at least slap.
Bro, she's getting excited.
What the fuck?
She's like fanning herself.
Like, oh, this is this talk is getting me excited.
It's really hot.
Oh, temperature-wise?
Okay, cope.
I would say, like, he needs to like at least slap.
You want to be tied up?
Like, Shabari?
I would say, like, at least slap or like to choke me at the very least.
Like, drag your drag nails across your back.
You want that?
No.
You want me to leave.
Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Sorry, you want a guy.
So this is our.
Whoa, what the fuck?
How?
You want a guy to leave like marks on you, basically?
Not scratch marks.
Spank marks?
Sure.
Like, you want to be raw, basically?
Sure.
You okay, bro?
You eight?
You okay?
You straight?
You good, bro?
What else?
What are we talking here?
Like, you want to, like, not be able to walk the next day?
What are we talking about?
it's a bonus if i can't hey no i got squatty you want to be like choked to death pretty much Near death?
Bro, she's like hardcore with the choking, right?
Am I right?
Just to see the pearly gates.
Like, do you want to be like near passing out, correct?
I never said that.
Oh, I'm asking you for clarification.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Do you want to be like tied up and like be like hanging from a roof?
Wait, what the fuck?
I don't know what you're saying.
Hanging from the ceiling, basically.
Digging a hole.
Oh, I get you're into that, but relax, bro.
She's laughing because she's like, yep, sign me up.
Sign me up.
I mean, I'll try anything.
Are you currently not being fully satisfied in your current relationship?
No, but I am sure.
Yeah, you're way too far from the mic.
I'm so sorry.
No, but I am trying everything once.
You're like, I feel like your boyfriend's a really nice guy, and you're like forcing him.
Dude, girls be doing this shit.
They'd be fuckin', they'd be fuckin', uh, what's the word for it?
They'll be corrupting.
You're corrupting your nice boyfriend into abusing you during sex.
Consensually, but like, you know.
Is he watching this?
I hope not.
Like, he doesn't, he wants to be like, oh, sweetheart.
And you're like, no, bitch, call me a fucking whore.
No, he was so sweet.
He, like, like, said something, like, really, like, romantic.
And I was really in the mood.
And he fucked it up.
And so I slapped him last night.
You slapped him last night?
I just asked you, what was your problems in relationships?
You slapped him last night.
Because he was being romantic.
You punished this man for most of the things that men think they're supposed to do with women.
Wait, you slapped him?
Yeah, she slapped him.
Wait, during sex?
Was...
Did he ask for that?
No.
Non-consensual slapping.
No, but it was like, so he would slap me.
You slapped him so he would slap you back.
Did he slap you back?
No, he's like, what'd you do that for?
She made him soft.
He was so confused.
Yeah, she made him soft.
Sex session was over.
Oh, my God.
What else did you do?
Oh, God.
Last night.
Did you like punch him in the sternum?
Like a fucking sternum punch?
Tell us more.
Come on.
We need more details.
This is good.
Oh, God.
Into the mic.
Scoot into the table, please.
This is good.
Huh?
Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Oh, the whole chair.
Yeah, you can scoot the chair.
That's why.
That's the problem.
Yep.
There you go.
Go ahead.
Okay.
What else?
Last night?
Sure.
What else went down?
She stuck on last night.
No, I can't say anything else about last night.
Okay.
No, because I was just, okay.
In the moment, I was really high, and I thought it would make sense.
Because, like, I don't know, because I'm like doing it.
Sexual assault.
That is sexual assault.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
And she was laughing while she.
That's the crazy thing.
Where she was like, yeah, I slapped him.
That's the Harley Quinn shit.
Damn, bro.
Wait, it's sexual.
It's kind of dark, not gonna lie.
We're just laughing.
But the sex was consensual.
Sexual assault.
You know what I mean?
I'm slapping.
During sex.
Not the literal sexual assault.
You get what I'm saying?
Oh, my God, yeah.
Okay, I was like, I'm there.
I'm there.
We can move on.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Before we do.
So you slapped him?
Was it like hard or was it just like a little?
It was hard.
It was probably hard.
It was.
She got a good cross.
So the first one wasn't.
Oh, there was more than one.
I'm out.
How many times did you slap him?
Twice?
Two chains.
Two to three times, actually.
Oh, two to three.
Whoa.
I think it was.
This is girls who are like, yeah, my body count's like 11, maybe 12, 13, maybe 14, maybe 15, 16.
Yeah.
That's what I do.
What do you mean?
Slap have a high body count?
No, it's just saying it's lower.
Oh, so you slapped him like seven times?
No.
Was he into it?
I'm pretty sure it was twice.
Was he into it?
It was twice.
Was he into it?
No.
Wait, so you ruined it.
You did it once, he didn't like it, and you did it again?
No.
And then you did it again?
And he didn't have a reaction.
Oh, so you slapped him harder.
You aight, bro?
And then, wait, so then you did it again, and he didn't have a reaction, right?
The second time.
So then you slapped him harder the third time?
I think he had a reaction the second time.
I was really high.
Was this you said you just started dating this guy, right?
Is this like your first few times having sex?
No.
Are you high right now?
No.
We've been talking for a year.
Oh, okay.
And this is your first time ever slapping him?
When's the first time you had sex?
Like a year ago?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
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I bet you're hard just thinking about it lol.
Oh.
Okay.
Here, wait, it's getting late.
I do.
We'll go around the table on this final point and then.
Have you abused other partners?
Have you slapped other parts?
Wait, of the 30 men, how many of them did you slap?
No.
Okay.
Sorry.
Okay, go ahead.
I want a man who's in deep commitment to himself and God.
It's beautiful.
He's so beautiful.
Touch my heart.
What was the question again?
What do you want in a man?
What do I want in a man?
For them to be loyal, like a support system, and like a genuine connection between us.
Okay.
I like a man who's honest, loyal, understanding of me.
And passionate.
Very fiery and passionate.
And has integrity.
And respectful.
So what?
Okay.
What?
What?
Respectful.
I was just thinking about everything he need not have, just in case you get pissed off.
He needed an electric car.
No.
I need an electric car.
Might find some way to electrocute him.
Oh, my God.
I don't know.
I don't know if that guy.
I don't know.
Next.
I want a man that's like respecting of me.
Not just me, though, but like my family, my friends.
I think that's like really important, especially like my friends.
Honest, loyal, definitely has a passion.
Like he's driven something.
Okay.
There's a lot I can say, but I'll make it concise.
Somebody my dad approves of.
A Christian, God-fearing man, protector, leader, strong in shape.
Makes good money.
And is loving.
Okay.
I asked that question because I wanted to see if you guys had any delusional answers, but you all did good, except you.
You slapping niggas.
I don't know.
I don't know about that one.
But you all did good.
You guys got some realistic expectations.
I like it.
Did you have anything further on that one?
No, no.
That's what I was looking for.
They didn't give me what I was looking for.
Last thing.
What's everybody's body count starting with 12.
Yeah, 45.
Two.
I prefer not to say.
Range?
Prefer not to say.
It's for me and my boyfriend.
Do you want to do, you could do like less than five, less than 10?
Prefer not to say.
Okay.
Yeah, same.
Oh, boo.
Yeah, same.
Boring.
I'm not saying my answer.
Sorry.
I said enough.
Okay.
Well, yo, I'm going to give you guys props, those of you who did answer.
Thank you.
You get my respect, my admiration.
Would you judge me for that number?
What do you mean?
And if I was like interested in dating you?
If I was a, yeah, not an OnlyFans girl, no sex tapes, a girl that you were attracted to, whatever, that you met on a dating site, and then you were like, oh, I kind of like her.
And then I was like, my body count's 12.
Would you be like, ooh.
She belongs to the streets.
Really?
You're 10 and under.
Are you five and under?
You mean my body count?
No.
Or just what I'd prefer.
What you'd prefer.
Well, the lower the better.
Okay, then what's yours?
Oh, I don't share my body count.
Yeah.
I don't share it.
Don't share.
It seems like a double standard.
Well, it's not a double standard, yeah.
Well, is it well, give us like above 10, below 20?
Under 50?
I don't know, man.
I might be a virgin.
Who knows?
You'll never know.
Never know.
Why are you looking at me that way?
What's up?
Chill out, bro.
Just tell us.
Chill out.
Just tell us.
You straight?
Am I straight?
You straight, bro?
I identify as bisexual, actually.
No, I wasn't talking about your sexual.
Wait, 45?
Multiply it by 3, and that's the real number.
For all of you.
Everybody at this table, regardless of whether you revealed it or not.
Wait, so.
Wait, Q, what's yours?
You would have to guess.
Ooh.
Okay, okay, wait.
Do you like date girls or do you like more casual stuff?
I don't know anything about you.
I date.
You date girls?
He does.
What's your longest relationship you've had?
Three years.
Three years.
How old are you?
31.
I'm going to put you at 33.
Okay.
I'm going to guess 15.
Under or over?
I can't say.
You got to guess it.
You're not going to tell us those, or we're just going to throw out numbers.
Yeah, I mean, y'all could throw out numbers.
I'll tell you.
I'm sick and giggles.
Really?
I'll tell you if you get it.
10?
Oh.
Really?
I know.
18.
You have to give us warmer or colder.
23.
It's two digits.
I think it's a 10.
I think I use that already.
I think it's 27.
6.
8.
So this is going well.
11.
20.
I'm giving up.
13.
14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20.
On that note, I got a P. Once Q comes back, I'm going to wrap up the show.
I do want to give you credit, though, because I give you credit for, you said 45 is your body count.
And I give you credit for being open and honest and forthcoming about that.
Do you regret having a high body count?
No.
You don't regret it?
I don't think it changes anything.
You don't think it changes anything?
Not sure about that one, but Would you be upset?
You meet your ideal guy, ideal guy, perfect.
And then you tell him your body.
And he's like.
Then he's not the perfect guy?
Like.
If it's not meant to be.
It's not meant to be.
Are you wearing color contacts?
Just totally random.
Okay.
All right.
It's kind of sad.
It's kind of sad.
So are you seeing anyone?
What?
You.
What's sad?
What's that?
It's kind of sad.
What's sad?
The contacts?
Yeah, I'll do it in a second.
Huh?
What's sad?
Oh, the whole like 45 body count thing.
Brian.
At least she was honest enough to say.
Like, I salute you.
No, nothing, but you're sad.
No, not sad in like the insulting way.
You're just a little bit more.
That's sad.
It's more like that's actually sad.
She has a leaf.
Does that work?
Does that work?
She says the voice worse.
Because, like, you're an attractive girl, you know?
And you seem like, I wouldn't have guessed 45.
That's why, gentlemen, you got to be careful.
Even the shy ones.
Under 50?
Under 50?
For what?
She says she's under 50.
Under 50?
Wait, me?
Are you talking about me or you?
Me.
You're under 50?
So is that like the silver lining?
She's keeping it under 50.
She's 45, but it's under 50.
Just keep it around.
Actually, to be honest, it's 47, to be exact.
But let's be really honest.
It's like 49, right?
Right?
Is it over 50 for reals though?
No.
Okay.
Okay.
You know.
Stop it.
Get some help.
Oh, okay.
All right, guys.
I need, I'm going to do one last thing, then we're going to wrap up the show.
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Okay, last thing.
I want the table to weigh in.
I want the chat to weigh in.
You see this fucking table here, guys?
Don't pull it up quite yet, Nick.
I want to get a new table, okay?
And I'm going to ask the chat, and I'm going to have the panel here.
We got some interior fucking decorators at this table.
I'm sure you guys are great and got great interior decorating skills and shit.
Oh, so I wasn't gesturing.
No, no, it's okay.
So, okay, guys.
Wait, come back real quick.
Here's the problem with the table.
It's a little small.
I'd like to be able to fit a little.
Also, the legs.
I don't know, you can't really see it, but there's the legs are on the corners, which means instead of so think of it if there's a centralized base, people's legs are banging into the corners.
It creates logistical issues with the seating.
So we're going to look at two tables.
And we do you like the white mat?
Do you like the white mat?
Or are we going to do a stone?
Like a calcutta or a black stone?
Pull it up, Nick.
Let's pull it up.
Okay, now keep.
This is this is ignore the tabletop color, the wood.
Just ignore that.
This is just the actual design of the table.
So this is one with a kind of slim centralized base.
And then the next one.
Ignore the color.
Ignore the color.
That's not relevant.
And then that has like a big, thick base.
Now, chat, here's where I'm concerned.
There's one and two.
The first one was the wood one.
The second.
Now, don't you're not factoring in color yet.
We're going to get to that.
I'm concerned that that first one, Nick, can you go back to it?
It might be wobbly.
I don't know if that's a, what's it called?
If it's going to, it might be a little unbalanced because I don't know if that's a sturdy enough base.
Okay.
Now, if you can scroll down, Nick, to the options, disregard the color.
Don't worry.
It's not going to be wood.
Scroll down to the, yeah.
So you're going to have to make it max size.
Scroll down.
Okay.
So we have Calcutta Stone.
Then next one.
We have black stone.
Next one.
We have industrial concrete.
And next one.
We have metropolitan concrete.
Versus they also have.
We don't have to show it, but they have a white mat option like this.
So it's going to.
So what do you guys think?
We have.
I kind of like the white.
I like the white.
Help me out here, gentlemen.
I feel like I should have done a poll.
Fuck.
Whatever.
Black stone?
I don't know.
I kind of think white looks better.
Was that racist?
Guys, just I was talking about tabletops.
Relax.
Uh, why am I slow, bro?
Why would I be slow for that?
Go with one of the concrete options.
I think the Calcutta looks very nice, but I kind of like the sleekness of the white.
I feel like that would give it a different vibe.
Yeah.
White is iconic.
I like the white.
I think white.
I think you just need white with your brand.
I think I got to keep it.
So it's for me, my two choices are between matte white, so like this versus the calcutta.
No, matte white.
The calcutta with like all of this in the background, like this works.
But with that, it's going to get more busy.
It's too busy.
I think it's too busy.
It's too busy.
For branding purposes, I don't think it's good as my personal interior decorator.
Thank you.
Any thoughts from the other ladies?
I agree with you.
I agree.
There's no dissenting opinions.
Are you just going to sheep Maddie's opinion here?
Okay, all right.
Thank you guys for your in-depth recommendation.
All right, guys, we're going to wrap up the show.
Thank you for the help, guys, there with the fucking table.
Maybe we'll get it in a month.
Okay, so last thing.
Oh, I need a raid on Twitch.
Who am I going to raid?
I'm going to raid.
Let's see.
Sorry, one sec, guys.
We are going to raid.
Oh, my God.
Stop.
Those of you who are on Twitch, you guys are going to go to raid.
Following, let's see who am I.
Okay, never mind.
Nobody who I'm following is online.
All right, guys.
Any final?
Oh, wait.
Any final thoughts before I rap from anybody?
I'm looking at you.
I know you got something.
She got a story.
You're sitting on a fucking gold mine of crazy shit.
And it's there.
It's there.
Okay.
All right.
All right, next time, maybe.
All right, guys.
Last call.
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