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Dec. 20, 2023 - Whatever Podcast
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PSYCHO Troll REFUSES To LEAVE?! Police Come?! Keeko, Bangs, Andrew Wilson! | Dating Talk #129

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Where are you from?
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Name, age.
Okay.
Hi, I'm Kiko.
I'm 23.
I'm from San Francisco, but I live in Santa Barbara.
And I'm a bartender.
And I also go to school.
Where did you go to school?
Now I go to ASU.
Hold on.
Wait, so you went to Santa Barbara City College, right?
At first?
I went to school.
And then you went to UCSB?
No, no, no.
I started at UCSB.
Started.
Yeah, I started at UCSB, but I decided to finish at ASU.
So you downgraded to ASU, basically?
Yes.
Okay.
I don't have my major that I want.
Oh, what's your major?
Criminology.
Oh, okay.
So I'm assuming you're taking online classes.
Yeah, ASU online.
Okay, got it.
What about you?
My name is Anai.
I'm 21.
I'm a student and I do OnlyFans and I'm from the Santa Barbara area.
All right, welcome.
Hi, I'm Lydia.
I'm 24 and I have a VR startup and I'm from LA.
Okay.
VR startup.
Tell us about that.
Oh, we have a platform that's censorship free, if you know what I mean.
What?
What?
I don't know what you mean.
What does that mean?
Oh, I mean, I'm not trying to get this podcast banned like ASAP, so now I'm so sorry.
Is it adult content?
Is that what you're talking about?
It's just censorship-free.
You can post anything you want, and people can see it in 360, and they can see it in a headset, so it's pretty useful.
Okay, what about you?
Hi, my name is Lizzie Love.
I'm 28.
I am an adult actress and OnlyFans creator.
All right, welcome.
Hi, I'm Lala.
I'm 29.
I'm from Arizona, and I'm a professional attention whore.
Oh, I like that.
So, what does that mean?
I do live streaming on a cam site, but it's like porn adjacent.
Oh, sorry, but adjacent to that.
Okay, so you're a professional.
You said a professional attention whore?
Just because it's full-time.
Okay.
Hi, my name is Kitty.
I am 32 years old, and I'm a photographer.
I do hair, and I also do BDSM work as well.
What does that mean?
Professional Dominatrix, I beat men up.
Yay!
You beat men up.
And also, I'm from New Jersey originally, and now I reside in LA.
Are you from Camden?
No.
I'm from Bergen County.
Cool.
So you beat men up?
Is that what you said?
Yeah, professional dominatrix.
Okay.
How long have you been beating men up for professionally?
So I just got back into it because I just got out of a relationship.
Can I have you tilt your mic or posture?
Yeah, that one works too.
So I've been doing it, I want to say on and off for seven years, but I did, me and my ex just broke up.
So now I'm fully getting back into that.
So I want to say on and off for like seven years.
All right.
We'll get into that later, maybe.
What about you?
My name is Alora.
I'm also 23.
Is there room for you to scoot into the table a little bit, or is it just.
Kind of.
Okay.
A little bit, a little bit.
I'm originally from Buffalo, New York.
I now reside in LA as well.
I do a little bit of everything.
I feel like I'm a professional creative.
I like to do fashion, but I also like to paint and create on social media.
I also have an OnlyFans age.
23.
23.
Okay.
What about you?
Hey, my name is Haley.
I'm 30.
I actually turned 31 next week.
And I kind of just work in restaurant business, bartending, cocktail server, but I'm trying to do something different that will allow me to travel.
So I'm hoping to get that over with.
Age?
30.
30.
Sorry, my pens aren't working, so I had to fucking chuck it.
A little tantrum.
No, no, no.
That's where I put my pens.
Somewhere in that general area.
What about you?
Oh, hi.
I am of gray, O-V-G-R-A-E, and I am a musician and micro, micro, micro-influencer.
I have 60K on TikTok, and I love all my baby Gs.
What's a micro, micro, micro, micro influencer?
Was that an extra micro?
Sorry if I mischaracterized your.
Yeah, yeah, it's actually three micros.
Oh, three micros.
Okay, my bad.
I think I overdid it.
Sorry, did you say age?
I'm 21.
21.
Okay.
Turned this past July.
All right.
What kind of content do you make?
You said you're a musician, right?
Yeah, so I do quote-unquote comedy.
You know, not everyone's going to find me funny.
But.
Like skits type stuff?
Just memes, meme-ory, you know.
And memes?
I like to sing on live.
And you incorporate your comedy into your singing?
No, I think I would classify my discography as therapy music.
That's, you know, it's music where you can just relax and chill and think about life.
So like lo-fi, chill out?
Yeah, yeah, I like bedroom pop.
Lo-fi girl.
Is that you?
Are you lo-fi girl?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Actually, I think the person who revealed that.
What is that?
What about you, Priya?
Hi, my name is Priya.
I'm 22 years old.
I'm a full-time student at ASU Online.
I co-run a family training business, and I'm an equestrian.
Okay.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Oh, okay.
Alright.
Also, Nick, I think when a TTS comes in, I think we maybe hide.
Okay?
Hide, Andrew.
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
Welcome, everybody.
So we're going to go around the table once more.
What is everybody's current relationship status?
So are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship?
Oh, oh, my God.
Jesus.
You forgot, Andrew.
Jesus, I'm sorry.
Andrew, get me, Brian.
It's just unusual for us to do the video, Colins, but we have the great debate god, Andrew Wilson.
Want to.
My name is Andrew Wilson.
I'm a YouTube creator, host of the One and Only Crucible, the fastest-growing debate platform on YouTube, to my knowledge.
I work as a robotics mechanic by trade, and I also enjoy doing debates and having conversations like these.
I appreciate you having me tonight, Brian, and appreciate meeting all of you.
Thank you for coming, Andrew.
Really appreciate it.
Guys, since we're still kind of troubleshooting the call-in stuff, how was Andrew's audio, the chat?
Can you let us know how was his audio?
Was it peaking a little bit?
Do we need to lower it or does it sound just fine?
We were concerned there that his audio was a little bit peaking.
That's nothing on Andrew's side, that's on our side.
So, chat, audio good, audio good, not too peaking.
I think everybody looks like everybody's saying it's good.
Okay, perfect.
So, going around the table, what is your current relationship status?
So, single, talking stage, situation ship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex cold, harem.
If you're single, how long have you been single?
And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
Go ahead.
I'm happily still with my boyfriend.
We've been together since January, and my longest relationship is like a little over two years.
Okay, so you guys have been together almost one year.
Yeah, we've known each other since September of last year, but we've been officially dating since January.
Okay, cool.
I am single.
I've been single for a while.
My longest relationship was probably from like a year and a half to two years.
How long have you been single?
Since like two years.
Yeah.
You've been single for two years?
Yeah.
But there's been some guys in the picture.
Yeah.
Yes, there has.
Okay.
Have you been dating?
Are you on the dating apps?
What are you doing?
I'm on dating apps, but it's nothing like too serious.
Nothing, I haven't had anything like really serious in a while, in like two years.
Okay.
Which dating apps are you on?
Just Hinge.
Just Hinge?
Were you on Tinder, Christian Mingle?
No.
Farmers Only?
I was on Tinder, but I think I got shadow banned.
So I'm not on there.
Because you're promoting your OF?
No, I wasn't.
Could have you just scoot your mic that way just a little bit.
What about you?
I've been seeing someone, and it's like a relationship, but it's like really complicated.
Yeah.
How's it complicated?
It's just, you know, it's really hard to tell if they're also, you know, like one of the real ones.
Is it the animal?
Is that your partner?
Oh, no, no, no.
That was my pet raccoon.
What's the term taxidermy?
Is that what that's called?
That was a real raccoon.
Okay.
And it's stuffed with crazy.
You had a pet raccoon.
Yeah, I mean, one time it bit me, so it's like this now.
It bit you, so you deleted it?
Yeah, I deleted it.
But I still wanted to keep some part, you know?
I have like, I didn't want to let go fully.
How did you acquire this pet raccoon?
It's free from the outside.
Three from the outside.
Is it actually, that's like a taxidermied.
But guys, I did not know.
I did not know she was going to bring a fucking.
But it's quirky, so I guess I let it slide.
Come on, that's total trolling, right?
That wasn't a real raccoon that you had stuffed after it bait you.
No, I mean, it's real.
If you want to take a closer look, it doesn't look fake.
Like, it looks taxidermy.
It really does.
That's definitely toxic.
It looks taxidermy.
Has it been cleaned somehow, somewhere?
Not really.
So it's just, it was a wild animal.
I see some like rabies residue on like the bottom lip.
Yeah, but I already got my rabies vaccine, so I'm all good.
Yeah, except for the other 11, 12 people here.
Yeah.
I mean, if you don't anger, it won't bite you or anything.
Yeah.
Okay.
She's going to chuck it across the table if she gets.
Do you have a possum?
Do you have any other pets?
Why do you think I have a possum?
Or just any other kind of marsupial?
Is that what they're marsupial?
No, no, no.
A raccoon's not a marsupial.
I don't know where I got marsupial from.
That's what I'm talking about.
Yeah, but a possum is a marsupial.
Possum's a marsupial.
Kangaroos are marsupials.
Yeah.
Do you have any other weird pets?
I have two possums.
I have a pig.
I have a turkey I pardoned on Thanksgiving.
And then I have four snakes and two frogs.
And oh, I have a ton of hedgehogs.
Yeah, but I didn't bring all of them.
I just brought raccoony.
Raccoonie.
Are they all taxidermied or are these ones living?
They're all living, but someday.
Yeah, someday.
Someday.
Okay.
Do you have like an exotic pet license or something like that?
Yeah, I actually do.
You know, I am one out of, I think, 600 people in California that actually has one.
Actually, no, I think it's 620.
So you can buy like lions and tigers.
No, no, no.
It only goes for like there's like a law saying that it's considered like a non-threatening animal.
So like I can't own snakes over a certain size and I can't have like lions and tigers, but I can definitely have a possum.
Sweet.
So your current relationship status is complicated.
Yeah, it's just how long has it been complicated for?
We've been seeing each other for like a year and a half.
Okay.
Yeah.
A year and a half?
All right.
And is this your longest relationship?
No.
I had an ex I was with for three years.
Three years.
Okay, but your current one's like 1.5 years.
Yeah.
And so why is it complicated?
Oh, as I said, it's just really hard to tell if they're, you know, like one of the real ones.
What does it mean to be a real one?
Oh, you know, like one of the other real people in the world, you know what I mean?
As opposed to the imaginary?
No, like, as opposed to like a beautiful map mind with Russell Williams.
No, no, no, no.
It's like, so we all live in a simulation, right?
And then you can't really tell if people you're close with are part of the simulation or if they're one of the other real people that you get to be close with.
Because I have no way of proving that he's real.
Did you take your medication this morning?
I did.
I have to take more a little bit later, but I did take it, yes.
What medication do you take?
I have...
You don't need to show it to us, you can just tell us.
Why don't you just give us the list of what you're lithium asthma inhalers?
I had to take a claritin today.
Wait, lithium?
Yeah, that's pretty heavy.
That's pretty heavy.
No, but I only have a small little bit of it.
It's not a lot.
Isn't that for like schizophrenia?
No, I'm not schizophrenic.
What do they often?
What do they give lithium?
No, it's for bipolar, actually.
So I'm not schizophrenic at all.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Can it be used to?
I don't know.
Okay, well.
I think it's an antipsychotic, yeah.
So what is the lithium for?
Yeah, what's the diagnosis?
Oh, I mean, it's for bipolar, like I said.
Oh, yeah.
Is there anything else?
Two.
Aren't there different kinds of bipolar?
There's always a lot of people.
She just said two.
Yeah, two, two.
So what's the difference between type one and type two?
Type two is usually the more extreme one.
No, my doctor said type one is the worst one.
Really?
Yeah, he said I was lucky to get type two.
Interesting.
Can the task?
How long have you had that?
How long have you been diagnosed with being bipolar?
Oh, I've been taking medication for, I think, for like about five months now.
Yeah, and I think it's been beneficial to my life.
I think I've like, you know, calmed down a lot.
And I can be, you know, a functioning member of the podcast.
So you believe the person that you're seeing is like a hologram?
No, like, I mean, just they could be, you know, and it would just be really upsetting to me if like I, you know, if they're not one of the other real people.
So how would one determine who is I don't know.
But sometimes I'm sorry.
You know, because some people just feel real and some people don't.
You know, it's just kind of like a like a feeling.
So is this like a feeling of yours that you're essentially trying to project onto being reality and not reality?
It's kind of hard just because some people it's automatic.
You're like, oh yeah, they're super real and I'm very happy to be acquainted with them.
And then other people, you like them a lot, but you don't really know.
Yeah, but that's quite different than what you're saying in terms of us living allegedly.
How do you know you're real in the simulation?
Oh, I mean, I have a conscience where I can kind of think like, okay, this could be a simulation where I'm experiencing it.
Yeah, but if you have a conscience, it could just be binary programming.
So you think you're conscious when you're really not.
But I feel like I have memories.
I heard that.
Yeah, but those could be programmed in the middle of the past.
I heard that in your memory there's like something about like what was it they said it's like yeah is anybody bored with this conversation like Like, I'm sorry, is like, is this kind of boring?
Feed into this delusion.
Yeah, that's asking them more these questions is going to make it seem like it's the actual thing.
I'm sorry.
Just one clarifying question.
When you say real, do you mean literally or figuratively?
Like, because real, like, oh, they're a genuine person.
Like, that's the way I consider.
Oh, the other one.
Real, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're really genuine, and I like them a lot.
If they're watching, shout out, Ben.
Yeah, but do they exist in objective reality?
Is that what you're saying?
They exist in objective reality or they're a pre-programmed simulation.
Okay, what about you?
My longest relationship.
I'm sorry, I just, this is so ridiculous.
Okay.
My longest relationship was five years, and I am now currently in a situation.
Your longest relationship was five years.
You're currently in a situation.
How long have you been in that?
I met him like a year and a half ago.
We took like a six-month break at the end of last year.
Got back together in like August of this year.
Okay.
Define for us a situation or whatever it is.
A situation is a better version of a situationship where for me, we started in a situationship where I feel like I wanted to be in a relationship, but he wasn't ready or didn't really want to commit to anybody.
But for a situation trajanship, I'm not going to give my, I don't know what words I can say here, my self.
I'm not going to have sex with people if they're not paying me for a scene or if they're not giving me something of value.
So for me, take me on dates and also take pictures of me.
Give me something of value that I can use to monetize.
Give me something.
I want to get something out of it.
Switch.
Hold on, no, Yeah, if they're not giving me a relationship, they need to give me something else.
Do you consider that to be prostitution?
I don't care if it is.
I wouldn't say that it is.
I wouldn't say that it is.
No.
I would say it is.
Probably.
If that's like, because there's a difference between like, if that's just what ends up happening, like, they end up doing something for you and you end up having sex.
But like, if you're like, I'm having sex with you if you do this for me, then that's, even though if it's not just like a straight up monetary, it's still training for something.
No, I think if you're going to be in a relationship with somebody, even have a boyfriend, like, I want you to be nice to me, do nice things for me, open the door for me.
Is that prostitution?
If you want someone to give you value back, that's why she said, though, it's like, if that's like what's like, yeah, like, if that's just how it so happens to be, then that's, you know, that's how life goes.
But if you're like, I'm not going to sleep with you unless you take photos of me, I'm not going to sleep with you unless you do that.
I think that's a form of money.
There's a monetary transaction which is going on as part of the trade scale.
So you're saying, I will only sleep with you if you buy me X, Y, and Z.
But even if they directly gave you cash, it's essentially the same thing.
It almost sounds like it's definitionally prostitution.
That's cool.
I'll take it.
Wait, what's your name again, sir?
I'm sorry.
Andrew.
Okay, I fully agree with you, and I think prostitution is sick.
And we all got to survive somehow.
Yay.
Just about it.
Do you actually think it's sick, or are you just like okay with like women that need to do it to get by?
I mean, it's not really like you need to do it.
It's like if you want to do it.
How far the termites have spread and how long and well they've dined.
Sorry, go ahead.
Termites.
Never mind.
It was Christopher Hitchens.
Don't worry about it.
He's from Beyond the Grave.
He's joined us on the podcast.
Go ahead.
I wasn't talking about.
You are super in favor of.
Oh, prostitution.
Yes.
Yeah.
I think, sorry, what did you ask me again?
Oh, I was just wondering if you were like, were really like, you know, like rah-rah, rooting for it, or if you just kind of, you know, respect, like at least just respect the women who have to or feel like they need to.
Like, there's, that's, like, their.
Oh, I think everyone should do it at least once.
Really?
Yeah.
And I think she's totally.
Yeah, no, I would never.
Call us.
Do you actually think every woman should at least once prostitute themselves?
I mean, if you feel like that's something you want to do and you can mentally handle it, yes.
Because there's a lot of people who are in the middle of the second.
Let me ask you a question.
Let me ask you a question.
Have you prostituted yourself?
Not yet.
No one's offered to pay.
I thought you said no one's offered to pay.
Yeah, so once somebody does, I will highly consider it.
So I guess if you're out on the podcast and you're thinking about it.
It can be just anybody.
It depends.
I can't remember.
What's your price?
I think anything over $100 is okay.
Girl, you're worth more than that.
No, more.
The girls on Figueroa.
And also, I think it depends on how fast it can come.
At least $700 to $1,000.
And you can't even get it handy with that on Figueroa.
Wait, really?
Yeah.
No, I met a prostitute lady once.
I asked her how much, and she said it was $25.
$25?
Probably $2500.
No, no, no, no.
That's like $10.
$25.
And then after it, she was a cop, and then she gave them a little bit.
We need to put the cuckoo back in the clock.
Keep going around.
I second this.
Right on.
Something's going on.
You got a screw loose upstairs.
I don't know what's wrong with you.
Okay, I'll try to stop talking too much.
Thank you.
No, it's not really talking too much.
Wait, so okay, hold on.
So you haven't done that yet, but you'd be willing so long as it's over $100.
As long as over $100 and they're not going to be able to do it.
How much cash you got on your own?
Oh, man.
Got to call that.
Yeah, but it also has to be like, am I in the mood for it?
Am I free?
You know, like, if they're STD tested.
Does it cost, like, does it cost extra for the taxidermy raccoon to like be in the vicinity?
No, I usually take him everywhere anyways.
You could probably move.
There has to be a kink for that somewhere.
Jesus Christ.
I want to go back really quick to your relationship.
Is it an open relationship?
To yours?
To yours?
Mine?
Oh, no.
So are you monogamous?
Yes.
But you would engage in prostitution?
I'm monogamous with permission, I guess.
Or I can.
What do you mean?
Well, I guess if I talked about it, say, hey, this is a job.
And I feel like once in my life I want to try prostituting myself.
I have a feeling they have my back.
They shouldn't.
Your boyfriend.
Why not?
If you have it at this point, it would be different if he met you and that's what you had to do to survive.
But if you are already in an okay position, your man should never feel comfortable with you having to enjoy it.
Yes, but I can't guarantee that I will always be in an okay position.
I know, but that's not what you said.
You didn't say if you were real down bad, you said it's like if I went to him and said I wanted to make some more money.
Like that's what he support me.
No, he shouldn't.
He should pick up some more hours.
You said that you want the experience of prostitution.
Yeah, so it's the experience, not about money.
So you've got to do it.
So what the language is.
The experience is having sex.
Can't you already do that with your man?
Yeah, I guess, but like, it's not prostitution.
I mean, sometimes we do this role for you.
You do want it.
It's like you do want that monitor.
It's just about the money.
And kind of.
Yeah, but I mean, like, $100, not much, but $100 will be cool.
I think you just want to teach yourself a lesson.
Like, the hard way, which is not worth it.
I think it sounds like a bucket list thing.
If you are already going to sleep with somebody, and I think the offering goes natural.
Yeah, if you're already going to sleep with them, though.
Yeah, that's different than that.
But then he might be looking at that interaction in a whole different way.
So question about your situade, situated ship, whatever the fuck it's called.
So are you monogamous with him?
Yeah.
But you said it was like there was a breakup, but then you guys got back together.
Yes.
So basically, another way to put it instead of situationship is just I have really high standards and I want to be treated like a princess.
I'm not going to date anybody if they're not giving value to my life anyway.
So what are some ways in which they would give value to your life?
They take pictures of me.
They take cute pictures of me.
They take me out on fun dates.
We hang out.
We have a fun time.
What do you give back of value in return?
I'm really good in bed.
I'm also very fun to hang out with.
I'm really good at cooking.
I'm funny.
I'm really good at cuddling.
Well, that hasn't been demonstrated yet.
Be patient.
Do you think men really care about humor?
Do you think that's on the top of the total?
Depends on the guy.
I would say most men don't really.
I don't like those men.
So you bring cooking to the table and you bring your body to the table.
What else do you bring to the table?
Like I said, I'm funny.
I love to hang.
I mean, I'm a good person to hang out with.
I feel like that is definitely something of value.
If you want to have someone around, they at least need to be enjoyable.
Yeah, but I mean, all the qualities that you just said, easily a man could have too, but you would still charge him to have those qualities from you, essentially, is what you're saying, right?
I mean, that's the only way I'm going to continue dating someone if they give me the value that I feel good about, or else if they're just taking me on a date and that's it, I don't want to like entertain that.
Would you say that your motivations are mostly self-interested?
Yeah, I mean, if he's enjoying himself too, then it's a win-win.
I'm not forcing him to do anything.
He's happy as well.
He likes giving me things.
I am a bit confused, though, because you said originally he didn't want to be in a relationship and didn't want to treat you as if you guys were in a relationship.
So you said that the essentially agreement that you came across was him doing all these things for you in exchange for sex, essentially.
It's not just sex.
I mean, we hang out, we go on dates.
We're basically in a relationship without the title.
But does he treat you like you're in a relationship?
For the most part, yeah.
Do you want the title?
I'm indifferent.
Well, I size anything.
Donated $200.
Chat, would you rather get a massage from a gay man or surgery from a female doctor?
Serious surgery.
So basically, would you rather get a massage or die?
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You can put it back.
So what are, can you just like list the things that you've traded?
Because you say you will trade sex for services, basically.
I mean, I guess you consider doing scenes as a trade.
I'm getting paid money, so I can do a scene that's technically a trade of things.
Okay.
What's a scene?
An adult movie.
So you're okay.
So you're being paid for pornography is what you mean.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm sorry, I'm just getting a clarifying.
No, that's cool.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right, moving on.
What about you?
I am in a relationship.
Oh.
I am in a relationship.
We live together off the grid, actually.
which is uh difficult um and we've been an on again off again couple for like the last we met in june 2019.
So four years?
We were friends for six months, and then I thought he was cute after a while.
Like, I didn't know how he felt because he was pretty respectable.
I was like, oh, he lost.
How many times was it on again, off, again?
Uh, too many.
That was.
How many, if you had an estimate?
Like, five in like one year.
Five in 20.
Total.
Yeah, just like that.
Oh, okay, fine.
Yeah, like block me for two weeks and then call me and then block me.
Who would initiate the breakups typically?
Oh, him.
Why?
Because I'm a lot.
How so?
I over-communicate big time.
How so?
Just when he wants space, I'm like, but I can't.
But I've learned since.
So it's necessary.
I'm sorry, what does that mean when you say I can't?
If he says I want space, you say I can't.
Oh, like attachment issues, like BPD.
Me too.
So, like, you basically tell him, you basically say no.
That's what you say.
You're like, no.
Oh, I had a hard time with boundaries because I didn't have my own set.
So I've learned since to have my boundaries and respect other people's boundaries.
So that's why we live together now.
Andrew, would you be able to, I don't know if you're able to center yourself just a little bit.
I don't know if you're able to scoot.
I don't know if that's going to be your left or your right.
Perfect.
Thank you.
So you have BPD, borderline personality disorder.
Yes.
Yeah.
Show of hands, who here also has borderline personality disorder?
Anyone have NPD, narcissistic personality disorder?
Any cluster B, any other cluster B personality disorders?
Any bipolar?
We have any.
All right.
What a.
Mental illness in here.
We got an asylum.
This is a whatever asylum.
Okay.
Personality disorders are learned behaviors a lot of the time, so you can unlearn them.
It's not like always a chemical thing.
I believe that.
It can be genetic, too.
Well, absolutely.
I definitely learned it from my mom, though.
So my thing.
I think it usually comes if you have like a parent with BPD.
Yes.
Can you pull your mic to that?
I should say what was the name of the single.
Yes.
I do not just.
What about you?
So I just got out of a relationship.
So I've been single now a month and a week.
And longest relationship has been three years or three and a half.
Okay, so you're single.
You've been out of it for like a month and a week, you said?
I've been single for a month and like a week or a month and two years.
What's the longest relationship you've been in?
Like three and a half years.
Three.
Okay, got it.
Who broke up with who?
The cops had escorted him out of my apartment.
So that was kind of the breakup.
Didn't you say?
He didn't want to pay rent.
I kind of hate this generation of dating because all these little shows, people talk about value and stuff like that.
So I don't know.
What do you mean little shows?
Well, sorry, podcast.
Like always talks like men of value and all this stuff, but you don't really have value or saying those things if you're not even paying half the bills or half the rent.
And I'm actually pretty lenient.
I'm happy with like 50-50.
And he couldn't even do that.
He just kept making excuses.
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Ella?
That's probably the nicest TTF.
Actually, I think that's my boyfriend.
Oh, that's so cute.
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Oh, because it's a dark day.
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Okay.
Andrew, you had something?
Yeah, so you work, I think you said earlier, as a Dominatrix, right?
So I just got back into that now, the moment I became single.
So professionally, I'm a professional photographer, and then I also do hair for a living.
Okay, so were you doing any of the Dominatrix stuff while you were with this guy?
No.
No.
And then also.
Had you done it previous to meeting him?
It's been like, I want to say about three years I've been out of it.
And then also before you.
Oh, sorry.
Go ahead.
Sorry.
After you.
Oh, I was just going to follow up real quick with this.
When you, I know that there's different types of sex work within, you know, being a dominatrix.
Are you one of the ones who allows the like the full Monty in other words or did you just did you did you keep boundaries or how did that work?
Oh no no no I have boundaries so there's no penetration or none of that so and I'm I'm the Dom.
I'm not SMS at all.
I don't want anyone touching me hitting me none of that Okay, gotcha.
All right, I just want to clarify PCs.
Thank you.
Okay.
Interesting.
All right.
What about you?
I am also very recently single and my longest relationship is about two and a half years.
Wait, recently?
How recently single?
Also, like since the beginning of November.
It's like a month and a few weeks.
Okay.
All right.
Which one of it?
I think we have two girls here who had their cars smashed first.
Oh my god, that's us.
Our stories are very simple.
It's kind of scary.
Do we have the video on that, Nick?
Let me check.
I don't know if I didn't pull it up.
I'm going to go do it.
Why don't I have you guys give your relationship statuses?
Oh, go ahead.
I'm recently just started dating somebody.
Like, I don't.
I actually texted him before this.
I was like, am I?
I don't even know.
Because it's so new.
I didn't want to say something that would either, I don't know, and I didn't want to label it wrong.
But he was like, oh, no, we're dating.
I was like, oh, hey, excuse me.
We've only been on a few dates, but he is such a gentleman.
So sweet.
My longest relationship was three and a half years.
Oh, three and a half years, and it was terrible.
How long have you been dating your current guy?
So we, it's only been.
I'm so sorry.
I'm like, so far.
It's only been a couple of weeks that we've been talking.
Been on just like three actual dates.
And yeah.
Very nice.
Congratulations.
Seriously.
I think me and my boyfriend are going to celebrate our one year in April.
And we're going strong.
We actually just got a cabin in Colorado.
And then I'll be moving to New York soon.
So I'll be living half-time in Colorado and half-time in New York.
Well, very nice.
But we do live together and I love Evan.
And your longest relationship is?
My longest relationship was one and a half going on two years.
Very nice.
And is he going back and forth with you or is he just living in Colorado?
We'll take turns visiting each other.
Very nice.
I am in a relationship.
I've been in a relationship for about three months now.
My longest previous relationship was five months.
All right.
Andrew, what about you?
Hold on.
Actually, here, we'll have to get him in a sec.
Wait, so who was I asking if you had like receipts of some like crazy shit?
Was that you?
Did you get to send it or no?
I didn't get to send it.
No, I have it on my phone right now.
Do you want to?
I can send it right now.
And view my video?
Because I sent it that day.
Yeah, it's a cool if we pull the video.
Okay, so we're going to pull that video up.
Unmute.
It's crazy that a dude did.
Oh, did you get wrong?
No, that's my ex.
He steals on YouTube.
Yeah, that's my ex.
Bitchmade.
Sorry.
Yeah, that's bitch made.
Yeah, it is.
So tell us what happened.
Like, he just, this is your car.
Yeah.
The most recent ex.
My neighbor told me.
Hold on.
The most recent ex that you have.
Yes.
Did.
Yeah.
Okay.
My neighbor told me he came out two or three.
In the middle of the night.
Can you get rid of the progress bar?
Dude, slash my tie.
Just get it warmly.
What a douche.
I'm glad you're not with him anymore.
Good times.
And then, okay.
Did you have.
I have a picture.
He didn't do that much damage.
Okay, just send it.
We'll pull it up.
Just send it.
Nick, pull back up, Andrew, please.
Yo, guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub if you have one.
All right, let me get, let me see.
Let me actually do a couple chats.
Oh, Andrew, your relationship status.
Yeah, I'm happily married, and I have been for many, many years.
I've been with the same woman for, I don't even know, most of my adult life.
Okay, good times.
Good times.
I have one chat here I need to read really quick.
We have, Nick, if you can hide.
Or actually.
My God, bro.
Okay.
We got Pico Signs, Brian and Panel.
Have a Merry Xmas and Happy New Year.
Enjoy your time with family and those close to you.
Also, having kids and family is one of the most enjoyable parts of life.
Have a great pod.
Yo, thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Oh, shit.
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Hold on.
That's going to come in in just a sec.
Yo, thank you, man.
Very much appreciate it.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
Okay, so where were we?
I kind of want to dive into, like, so this, that was recent, though, because you broke up with him.
You said, like, five weeks ago, right?
Well, the thing is, he technically broke up with me.
The thing is, which I couldn't stand, he shouldn't have to live with me for us to date.
Like, if you can't pay half the rent, like, you shouldn't have to live with me, period.
Firework.
It's alright, it's just a firework.
Are we sure that's not so?
I saw that firework.
Okay, we could hear it.
It was a firework.
Don't worry, guys.
Okay, he's not a gun.
You're way louder.
Go ahead.
So, yeah.
And he refused to leave.
And then cops had to get involved.
Good times.
Yeah.
And then the car happened.
Did he always not work?
We did.
It's just he has issues as well.
Like, I'm actually friends with his previous other ex-girlfriend that I reached out to.
And pretty much the same thing, same thing happened to her.
Yeah.
Yep.
Okay.
All right.
Cool.
Let me just double check here what we have.
I'm going to get into some of my pre-show notes here from everybody.
So let's see.
Okay.
Oh, no.
Gone.
Gone.
Sorry, guys, one sec.
your name is off gray do you have a of gray Is that your actual legal name?
That's my internet presence.
Okay.
You said you're dating a doctor.
Yeah.
What kind of doctor?
He is a radiologist.
A radiologist?
Okay.
And you are, you said you're 23, correct?
No, I'm 21.
Did I skip over something?
Yep.
She turned 21 in like June, she said, or something.
Okay.
July.
Yeah.
How old is the doc?
How old is your boyfriend?
He is 40.
Okay, so 21.
Whoa.
My mom's 45.
Sorry.
Are you trying to set your mom up with into the mic, guys, please?
Into the mic.
You said he's a what?
Again, sorry, my friend.
He's a radiologist.
Okay, radiologists, they make pretty good money.
It's a really dangerous job.
Oh, no, so it's very different.
Like, I think you're thinking of the techs.
Yeah, why would radiology is not a dangerous job?
Oh, radiation is like really bad for you.
Well, the technicians, they have the proper gear to protect themselves from radiology.
Radiologist, like, review.
Oh, so he doesn't have to be in there.
He just has to look.
Yeah, he just has to read them and identify the problem might be a little bit better.
Yeah.
Okay.
Interesting.
I want to bring it back to you, Lizzie.
You said that it sounds like you want a guy to do some of these more traditional things.
Is that correct?
Yeah.
Like pay for.
If you're dating a guy, do you want him to pay for everything, basically?
That's, I mean, that'd be great.
I would love to be a spoiled housewife where I can cook him food all day, every day.
Okay.
And pleasure him when he comes home from work, be a cheerleader, but also monetize all the food that I make by making cookbooks and cooking videos and then just also make my own money.
So it's not like I'm just going to be mooching.
Okay.
Yeah, I do like being a bad person.
What do you think the chances are that a really high-value man wants to settle down with somebody who has a history of prostitution?
I think the chances are slim, but they're still there.
Yeah, but I mean, you're not banking on that, are you?
I really don't care.
I know I'm going to find someone eventually.
Yeah, I mean, how do you know that, though?
Well, you know, I actually asked my boyfriend recently, and I feel like I'm a full-time house GF, so I just like make TikToks and sometimes, you know, like cook and bake pies and stuff.
And he takes care of me and takes care of everything.
And I actually asked him, like, what if I did like OnlyFans or, you know, if I did adult entertainment?
And he said he wouldn't mind, but he would, you know, obviously like prefer that I didn't do it.
Your radiologist, medical doctor, boyfriend wouldn't mind if you did OnlyFans?
OnlyFans?
Shout out to him.
I mean, okay, here's the thing.
There's a lot of men out there that are cucks.
So statistically speaking, I think 6% of all men are into cucking.
No, way more than 6%.
No, 6% are definitely into cucking.
I read this.
Minimum 6%.
I sent you that program.
No, I mean, if you read it in a book, it must be true.
Probably.
I rarely read, and that's the one that you say at times.
You can't grow into Christian.
My point is that I think a valuable man, like my boyfriend, is a doctor, and he went through all the procedures to become an accredited person.
But I think a high-value man could consider someone in the adult entertainment industry seriously.
And I think that a lot of people don't realize that.
But a lot of successful men really do not, I think, care because usually their personal life is very private in general, anyways.
Because, yeah, that's so true.
So does your boyfriend, who you claim is a high-value man, he's a radiologist, he wouldn't mind if you went on OnlyFans and did sex work.
And you think that from your estimation, this particular person, you still consider that to be a high-value man?
You still consider him to be kind of high status, even though he would be willing to kind of share you?
Well, I think a lot of things define a high-value man.
For one and foremost, he is a wonderful father to his children.
And he just is such a good family man.
You can do a split on this, Nick, but just hide the.
Hold on.
Let's just set up a split the you hide the top hide the yep Hide it.
I shall be a little bit more.
Oh, wait, actually, let me see.
Hide it.
Let me see.
Oh, yeah, you're right.
Okay, that's not going to work.
Okay, we can't do split on that angle.
My bad.
Go ahead.
But yeah, he's a family man, and he takes care of the people he loves.
He's very kind and very patient.
And he has very good emotional regulation and communication as well.
Like, he's everything that I could ever want in a man.
So, honestly, if...
Is he married?
No, no.
Okay, so he's divorced with children?
Yes.
How old is he?
Okay, how many of you?
How many children does he have?
Oh, he has two.
How old are they?
Yeah.
Like, in elementary school.
Have you met them?
No.
I would like to just keep that life separate because I don't want to, you know, interrupt their personal life.
Forever at least?
Forever separate?
You know, that's to be determined.
You never know what will happen in the future.
So, like, if you have a family with him, you wouldn't want to.
You don't picture them being integrated, even though they would be halfway related.
actually don't think I want children yeah I would just like to would you like to marry this man and spend the rest of your life with him Yes, I would.
I think the kids are probably going to have to come with that.
No, yeah, I mean, I love kids, and they love me too, but I just, I don't, you know, want to interrupt their childhood right now.
But perhaps when they're more mature, they'll be able to comprehend the situation.
That's true.
Because as I grew older, I understood, you know, the dynamics in marriage more fully.
Because, you know, I'm a child of divorced parents.
And I didn't understand it at first, but as I matured, I understood both sides of the story, not just like my mother, for example.
Do you still talk?
Sorry, do you still talk to your parents?
Yes, both of them, yeah.
Do they know you're dating a 40-plus-year-old man?
Yes.
They're okay with it?
They're okay with it because they know that he is just a really good person and he's never had any sort of like other intention.
Like, you know, how I've seen on the podcast where they're like accusing older men who date younger women of like taking advantage of them.
But maybe some older men do have that intention, but he's never ever had that intention.
In fact, when we were kind of like separated for a while, he still, you know, helped me out every way that he could.
He was still there for me emotionally, and we were still friends.
Yeah.
But we were also friends first.
But you're also 21.
We're also more, I think, when we say that with the older men, it's usually more 18, 19 that we're concerned about.
But you guys started dating.
Here, while we go around the table on this, does anybody object to her age gap relationships?
Go ahead.
No.
If she was a few years older, my answer probably would be different.
Or younger, but yeah.
I agree with Kiko.
No, I like old guys.
Also, I think if you made an OnlyFans, you would make so much more money than him.
You know what?
So many people have told me.
Yeah, so I think you could consider it.
I'm not going to because, you know, my mom, she's very firm on that.
And I also, you know, I don't think I want to show anyone except my boyfriend myself.
That's hell yes.
I don't have any problem with the age gap.
Me neither.
Also, I wouldn't do an OnlyFans if I were you because of his kids also.
Yeah.
Yeah, so good.
You'd be like a hot step.
That's not a good idea.
No, Degenerate.
Okay, what do you think?
I said no as well.
And also, I agree, don't do OnlyFans.
Because the kids.
Yeah, I've also dated much, much older than me, so I have an opinion on it.
But instead of do you object to their age gap relationship, would you because maybe you've heard what she said and it otherwise sounds fine in general do you object to would you object to a 21-year-old woman dating a 40-year-old man in general?
I think it really depends on the situation.
Maybe it doesn't change the answer for any of you.
It's 18-19 for me.
Actually, 18-19 is where I'm like, it depends on the situation.
What happens in the one year?
What happens in the one year where suddenly it's okay versus not okay?
A lot can happen in those years.
That's why I said 18, 19.
First of all, an 18-year-old could be in high school.
Okay, I was 18 for like five months of high school.
So when you guys say 18, as a 40-plus-year-old man, you have nothing in common.
You might have a few things in common, but that's weird.
Okay, I'm 21 and would find it weird to be dating an 18-year-old that's a high schooler.
Like that's an 18-19, you're still growing.
Who's to say if it changes at 20?
But obviously we have to put a number on it.
So if I had to put it on the screen.
Yeah, but we have a number on it.
The number is 18.
I feel like, can I say something?
I feel like if the, you guys say 18 because, sorry, the consent, the age of consent is 18, but I feel like if it were anything lower, you guys would be pushing, oh, 16, 17.
Well, actually, you're wrong.
The age of consent in most states is not 18.
That's incorrect.
I understand that.
I understand that.
But here, but not only that.
When we were talking about 18, men can be drafted out of high school at 18 and go fight wars for you at 18.
We weren't talking about fighting wars.
We were talking about sexuality.
I understand, but if we're considered adults at 18, go fight in a war on your behalf.
If I could choose that, I would say no.
Suddenly a woman is so incapacitated that she can't make a decision as to who she wants to date at 18 years old.
If I could go back and write the law, I would say no, we shouldn't be pulling 18-year-olds out of high school to go fight in war also.
I would also object against that.
I think it should be 21 as well.
I don't think 18-year-olds are ready for that responsibility.
Sure, let's get a bunch of geriatric old soldiers.
That sounds great.
Because 21 is your reaction.
Because 21 agenda is a good thing.
Wait, but I think if you were to put an 18-year-old fighting with like a, I don't know, 25-year-old, I think a 25-year-old beat their ass.
Well, traditionally, wars have been fought by young men.
Yeah, but most men fought their ass.
This is because young men are good at following orders.
They've been conditioned to follow orders.
So they're really.
So they actually take a lot of abuse.
I think with that logic, they'd make better partners too if they can follow orders.
Okay, I'm sorry.
So I guess, you know, like the age of consent here is 18, but like in China, it's like 15 or even younger.
Like I had a family friend.
She was in her 50s dating a 16 year old.
And like they made it work and I was pretty sick.
That's crazy.
In what terms were it sick?
Oh, I think we have two different.
I think we're defining sick in two different ways.
Mentally ill.
Oh, no, I think sick in like a good way.
Yeah, I know that's what you meant.
I meant sick.
Like I'm going to be naughty.
She was like really pretty and she really liked him.
That's such a double.
That's so sad.
No, but I would have no problem with like, I don't know, a 50-year-old dating a 16-year-old if it's in a country where like culturally speaking, it's okay.
In both roles?
I think either culturally, that's not gender.
You know what I mean?
Like gender disqualify people from being able to date people of certain ages.
That's still a child.
If I had a daughter or even a son and I'm older and they are 18 or 16, how you're saying whatever, 18 and they bring home someone 40 plus years old, I'm going to have a problem with it.
Even my age might be like, hold on, hold on.
Go ahead, Andrew.
What's the objection?
To my age.
Other than how it makes you feel, what's an actual objection that you have to it?
Because he has experienced double her lifespan, right?
So he's been here two times longer than she has, has experienced so much and has learned things that she hasn't yet.
And yeah, I know what you're going to say.
So he can show her all of those wisdom and knowledge that he has.
Don't predict what I'm going to say.
You're going to get it wrong, I promise.
But just go ahead and tell me what your objection is.
My objection is: I don't want my little girl with someone who is 40 plus years old.
I want her to experience life with someone who they don't have to be the exact same age, but wait, let me just, I just want to say, wait, wait, let me just come in really quick.
You said little girl, but you said she's 18 or 19.
So don't you mean adult woman?
Go ahead.
Yeah, but that's so.
I know my dad, my dad looked at me when I was 18, and I'm his little girl.
I'm forever his little girl.
Yeah, but you're using the language to sort of in this sort of bad faith way try to frame it in the most flattering, but I don't want my daughter.
Let me finish.
You're framing it in the most unflattering way possible by using very specific language to put a spin on it because that's what people, like, that's what feminists do is they'll like try to put a spin on it by using this language to like make it seem as unflattering as possible.
Well, I just have a go ahead, Andrew.
Go ahead, Andrew.
Kiko, do you believe that an 18-year-old woman should be able to vote and nullify the vote of this 40-year-old man who has twice the life experience that she does, which seems to be what your objection is?
Yeah, because right now the voting age is 18.
I also think that's a good idea.
Yeah, but would you want to change that now knowing what you know that they are totally inexperienced and have no business voting against a 40-year-old man who has double her life experience, double her knowledge, and nothing in common with her?
Clearly, he's way more sophisticated than she is.
Yes, if I could go back, I would change the voting age to maybe 21, maybe somewhere around there.
I don't, at 18, I had no idea what I was doing voting.
My opinions have vastly changed since then after I've done more research.
I had no business voting while I was still in high school during the president.
So if you're a 21-year-old and you're with a 45-year-old, is that okay?
Yes.
I would say in most cases, yes.
So, so I can't figure out what the distinction here is other than some kind of it's icky style preference.
Is it just an it's icky preference?
Is that a objection?
Brain, I ask you something manipulation tactics.
Manipulation tactics can work way easier on a naive person who is just experiencing being an adult versus someone who has, you know, I don't know the term you would use, but they have more, I don't know.
I just so it's power dynamics, mostly power dynamics.
Well, if it's power dynamics, then why would you support a woman ever getting together with a rich man?
Why would you support a woman ever getting together with a rock star?
Why would you support a woman ever getting together with any powerful man?
Because she'd make that decision as he can make that together because it's power dynamics.
She can make that decision with a fully developed brain and more developed than that 18.
Yeah, but you don't even know that.
The problem is with the particular studies for a fully developed brain, you don't even know exactly when the brain is fully developed.
It could be 25, could be 18, could be 19, could be 20, could be 21, could be 31.
Well, they know.
The problem is, is they took a huge pool of studies and they tried to kind of run this data and give you an average for when the female brain's fully developed.
But it's actually quite contentious, this data.
So it's not even true.
But if you're talking about this particular preference, power dynamics.
Hang on, I'm almost done.
Then I'll give you the floor.
When you're talking about the preference of a power dynamic, then wouldn't you have to logically be consistent and say anytime there's a lopsided power dynamic, they should not be getting together?
I already answered your question: brain development.
I'm not going to change my answer on that one.
That doesn't make any sense, though.
Brain development.
They're not any more developed at 20 than they are at 18 or 21 at 19.
It's 25 where your brain lobe is like your frontal brain lobe is like fully developed.
I feel like that's, yeah, that's like that's not true.
That's very common knowledge.
You're getting those facts straight out of your ass because you're pissed.
That's the myth.
That's a completely different way.
I don't know why you're so mad about data.
Can I ask you a question?
Believe that, if you believe that it's 25, tell me who was the architect of the studies who you read who told you that 25 is a bad idea.
But that's like what we learn in school and like biology.
We learned it in psychology.
We learned it in PsyO, UCSB.
My old Lisa Terrain, I think is her name.
My professor is who I learned that from.
Thank you.
So somebody just told you that.
My professor, it's part of our research.
I'm not going to be able to do that.
Tell me any data on it.
Can you tell me what the methodology was, what the process was, how they went about determining that this was true?
Or did you just, are you just going to say, well, I heard that once, so it's true.
We learned it in school.
We learned it in school.
What?
Sorry for that.
You learned it in school.
That's great.
Can you give me any actual data on this at all?
Bio 101.
Actually, I learned in the debater, right?
When I learned in the B class, since you have an issue with our facts, you're the one who's supposed to bring the evidence negating our fact.
So if you want to go do that research, you've established you've given me a fact.
Yeah, and I'm telling you, if you don't agree with us, you can go ahead and provide that necessary research since you want it so bad.
But we are all in a process here.
Maybe Bria and Brian might be on your side, but you're.
I'm not on the other side.
I mean, when he brought up the power dynamic with celebrities and stuff like that, I see how, like, I get why he brought that up as a rebuttal, definitely, for sure.
Like, I don't know if that's the problem.
Yeah, that's not his overall point.
My overall point is saying that there's no difference between 18 and 12, 21 years.
You can't have a difference between 18.
I think we really need to go back to where words have definitions and mean something because that's why I didn't label it.
I didn't say that these men are going to say like you were, but like even just like my own thing is like, okay, if we're adults at 18, if our boys are literally getting sent to war to fight for us, they should be able to have a drink or a smoke,
But they're not because it's like, so either they need to change everything to 18 and make sure our men are men and have like their, it's just, it's just weird to me that like that was a great point you made, though like that, like the 18, they can go to war, all the things that you were saying, but still you can't, but then you can't drink or have a smooth.
So obviously there is different linkages between them, right?
I don't agree, 18 should be the age regardless, but obviously there's differences between it because we already have different ages on these.
And why do they say, why it's not just Andrew, i'm talking.
No, you interrupted me.
Um, so I was sorry.
Yeah, I was gonna interrupt you, I was gonna.
Okay, you're still, you're still talking, you're still talking.
Anyway, you go ahead, then we'll have Andrew go, like I was gonna say, because Andrew keeps interrupting me, is that they have a reason why you say you can't smoke or drink until 21.
It's because your brain isn't fully developed, and I think they're very aware of that.
Your frontal brain lobe isn't developed until 2015, does your?
Does Europe have that wrong?
Because I think you can drink.
Yeah, I mean, like in Mexico, you can drink at like 12 and drive a car at 12.
It's very different.
What does the uh, what does the frontal brain lobe control decision making?
It controls decision making yes okay, and how does it do that?
I believe I don't know.
I believe it's in the moment.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
You're talking about a new testing.
Guys, hold on, I am going back to work Andrew, Nice Bruce Campbell Poster.
Oh Gray, i'll talk to you later.
Beautiful, you had something really quick, make your uh.
Yeah, I believe the prefrontal cortex is the part of the brain where we are able to um see the consequence of our actions.
And there was a study impulse control yeah, impulse control.
So there was a study done on um prisoners uh, who had had um instances in their childhood where they were abused and and they had gotten impacted in the front of their head and they were the ones that were recommitting the same crimes because of the business right, because they couldn't, they couldn't um see the consequence of their actions.
So uh, the prefrontal cortex.
Oh my god.
Andrew Tate donated $1,000.
Congrats, G on the success of your podcast.
Isn't that guy in jail?
We'll do an episode soon.
Big 2024.
Is that actually Andrew?
He's using his jail currency.
Is that a rama he's using it on this?
We got to pop a...
Don't get this in my fucking hair.
We gotta pop a champagne.
Show Andrew.
Show Andrew.
Yo, Andrew Tate, thank you, man.
Okay, we have, wait, Nick, how many more champagne bottles do we have in there?
Five?
I thought we only had three.
I was guessing, maybe four.
Guys, if you want a champagne, that was the third one.
There's two left.
All right, I'm trying to remember.
He's scanning it.
Photographic memory.
Who was a clown man that like kidnapped kids and like murdered them in his basement?
John Wentworth.
Jay Dacy.
Yeah, he got hit on the head with like a swing.
A lot of criminals, a lot of serial killers have reported head trauma as a child.
That's actually a good idea.
Did you say like his daughter?
I hit my head once when I was three.
That was such a trip.
Imagine just like being like her ending up so normal, but having a serial killer as a father.
I cannot imagine.
Well, most big news of serial killers.
Gypsy Rose will be released in 10 days.
Really?
10 days?
Do you need me to do it, Brian?
You should have Typsy Rose on.
Oh, don't hit the cage.
Can you help?
Popper?
Wait, fuck.
I need a fucking Oh Come on, be a man Use those muscles.
Oh, fuck.
Yeah, it's right at all the text.
Bro, it's not fucking working.
Can I try it?
Oh, my God.
I'm bleeding.
I got this.
Oh, my God.
I'm bleeding.
Bro, the fucking champagne bottle made me fucking bleed.
Holy shit.
Who else gets in there?
We have two bartenders here.
Oh, my God.
Let me go do it.
I forgot how to do it.
Now he has blood on the bottom.
Oh, my God, Brian.
You just pull it in.
I'll do it.
I'll do it.
Don't bleed.
I'll do it.
My hand is on top of it.
Like that.
Can I do it, please?
I'm sure you're used to twisting and pulling things.
What the fuck?
Bro, it's literally fucking not opening.
Wait, let me do it.
I'll do it.
Please.
It's still opening.
He doesn't want a woman to be caged.
Wait, why not?
Aren't women better at doing stuff with their hands?
What the fuck?
It would make him feel bad.
That's like a guest list.
I can't believe.
I watched a whole fucking thing on how to open the champagne bottle.
Oh, my God.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
No, you got to come.
Come over here.
I'm not going to hand it to you that way.
You got to come up over here.
All right.
Hold on.
Here, just take it like this.
No, don't.
Are we drinking this?
Wait, what are you doing?
Yeah, but you're going to grab the top.
Why don't you grab the top?
The cage is still on.
You leave the series.
Brian.
You leave the cage on.
Yeah, you don't have to have like a little bit of a bad one.
I untwisted the cage.
Oh, okay.
31 minutes.
Woo-hoo!
Yay, camera.
Oh, my God.
What the fuck?
I loosened it for her.
I loosened it.
I did that for him.
I watched the tutorial.
Let's get some cups for.
Where?
I thought they were in the corner.
Oh, they're not in the corner anymore.
Wait, is that champagne or bubble wine?
It's.
Champagne.
Champagne.
No, it's sparkling wine.
Do you guys want to continue on with the conversation?
I would love to say that.
I did DM you that picture.
I know it's late in the conversation.
I know that we say, or I know that you guys are saying that there's a huge difference or drastic difference between an 18-year-old and a 21-year-old, but I don't understand how or why.
Like, yes, of course we change depending on our life experiences, but what is it exactly that happens in that in that time frame that makes these people grow up anymore?
Because, or grow up so much, because in that time frame, most, well, not all, but most kids leave their parents home, go off to college, and a lot of the times don't make the greatest decisions.
Can I say something real quick?
So, I think who wants champagne?
Yeah.
You could pass it around.
Don't assume that it's really like a big difference, but I think the biggest difference between January 4th.
Now, I graduated high school at 17.
Most people are still in high school at 18, right?
Yo, Nick.
So, you're still in that environment around younger kids.
So, you leave high school.
What's up?
Now you have that real life experience.
You're going off to college by yourself.
You're leaving your parents home.
That alone is enough life experience to teach you how to think on your face.
I don't think that's the case most of the time, though, honestly.
It depends on the person.
It depends on what you've been through.
It sounds like absolute, but I think that's the main part of the argument.
Yeah, but oftentimes we get most of our knowledge, especially in that small age difference.
We've gotten the large majority of our knowledge and experiences from our parents.
So I think it's really on the parents to prepare the child or that individual to make the best decisions for them in their life.
So I don't, I really object to the idea that there's so much that happens in between ages 18 and 21 that they're suddenly able to make this decision.
Divide by two.
And also, we know that it's possible.
It's possible.
I mean, my parents had me at 19, 20.
My grandparents had my parents at the summer in between eighth grade and freshman year.
And they killed it.
Like, I wish I had children.
You know, I wish I was there.
Like, people are able to do it.
We're just getting a little softer, I think.
Yeah, it's very interesting to me because maybe Andrew has an opinion on this as well.
But I find that Andrew that's here with us.
I think Andrew Tay wants 13-year-olds.
That's not.
No, don't say that.
Yeah, those are completely inappropriate.
No, I find it very interesting now that kids want to grow up so much in such a provocative way, but I feel like they're becoming less mature and adult than like, yeah, like she was mentioning, our parents and our grandparents were at the same age.
Yeah, that's true.
It's kind of sad, to be honest.
Yeah, because the ages that people are marrying and having kids is obviously getting later and later in life.
And honestly, I think people are being a lot less successful at it now than they were in the past.
Yeah.
That still has nothing to do with the age gap about when you're getting married and age.
You could still be the same, around the same similar age of when you're getting married.
No, for sure, but I think it has to do a lot with the level of maturity that you have when you're able to get married and have kids and start a family and be successful at it.
I would say that that's a lot more difficult of a decision than deciding on a partner that might be quite a bit older than you and it still being appropriate.
Yeah.
Eco, do you think that 18-year-old women should be able to get an abortion?
I think a woman at any age should be able to.
Yeah, so you think that they have the agency to do that, they could make the choice to do that.
So I also lately date somebody who's older than they are.
They have the literal ability over life and death, but they can't make the choice to date an older guy.
So I also think that the 13-year-old has the right to make a decision if she wants to have an abortion or not.
I don't think a 13-year-old has the right to decide if she wants to date a 50-year-old.
See, all those are two different conflicting things that have nothing to do with each other.
They're very opposing.
So wait a second.
Wait a second.
The agency issue here.
You would say a 13-year-old would still have to have her parents around, help her, help guide her to any of the major decisions that they're going to make, including that decision.
There's no way you can take that off the table.
At 18 years old, that's not a necessity anymore.
That's an adult.
Why is it that you think that this person has the capacity to make such a decision but doesn't have the capacity to make a decision as to who they want to date?
Okay, this is like...
Because it's very different raising a child at a young age than it is dating somebody.
Very different.
And why do you think I know that they're different?
We're looking for consistency.
Andrew, why do you keep defending men that want to date teenagers?
Yeah, like why?
I'm just dealing with an 18-year-old.
I just think of dating.
I don't see a problem with 18-year-olds dating.
Why do you see a problem with that?
Is it because of your own immaturities?
Is that why?
No, it's just because the last job I've had before I got into bartending, I was a manager of an site lead of these 18-year-olds, 17-year-olds, 19-year-olds.
They are kids.
They're still kids, especially this day and age.
So 21-year-olds.
Okay.
So, same with this day and age of how we, because honestly, there's a lot of problems within the schools, you would agree probably.
And how we've been raising our kids, we are raising them to be extra soft and coddled.
So especially these 18-year-olds and this generation that's going through our schooling system we have now, it's getting so handheld through life.
I'm not saying there's not one-off instances where an 18-year-old and an older man cannot work, but I'm saying I think that is more far and few in between than the age gap of 21 and plus.
That literally is all I'm saying is.
Yeah, but you're not basing that on anything.
It's just arguing.
I'm basing it on the system preference you have where you just think it's icky.
That's it.
No, it's just it's basing it off of looking at how things have turned out for other women who were 18 who decide to get in these older relationships with men, start a family at 18 before they got their own education or a good job.
Then what happens if that man turns out to not be not good?
Because a lot of them, those men.
Prove it.
Prove it's not turning out good.
I'm not going to go air out all my, not all my friends, but some people I know, I'm not going to air out their dirty business right now.
But you can go on, even going online, you can see your own testimonies of people.
If you have, I'm not saying it's always going to happen, but it happens too much.
It happens to anecdotes, though.
Everything is just anecdotal.
Okay, well, Kiko, Kiko, all the people I know have these huge age gaps in their relationships.
Those all work out great.
Then that's your experience.
My experience is that you're going to be able to do it.
So it's equally as valid as yours.
Is it going to change your mind because I said that?
Because I told you that, wait, my anecdotal issue.
That's the difference here.
That's different than yours.
This is the difference here.
You're stuck in trying to change my mind.
I'm not trying to change your mind.
You're just asking me questions and I'm answering how I feel.
You can think about it.
Well, I do want to ask you.
You're married with kids.
You change your mind, of course.
I don't care to change your mind.
You're married with kids, so I'm hoping that you won't be like on, or you won't be going around 18-year-olds anyway, so I'm not really concerned how you feel about it.
But you're the one who's not.
What does that have to do with anything?
Because I don't feel the need to lecture you on it because you're already married with kids.
I'm more concerned with if there's other men who still want to seek out 18-year-olds that are that plus that I'll talk to you.
I got something to say.
So if the argument is, I want to get up in other people's business, then it's equally valid for me to say, okay, me too.
And I'm taking the opposite position of you, and I think that there's absolutely no problem with an 18-year-old male dating a vastly older woman or an 18-year-old female dating.
Andrew Trustee, it seems like there's reasons for those preferences that make sense.
Here, I want to bring in some of the.
What is the reason for those preferences, though?
Why would you prefer an 18-year-old?
Stop.
I'm going to bring in some other people on the panel here.
Because of fertility.
Fertility.
Andrew shy.
Okay, so I guess I have personal experience.
Has anybody dated like an old person when they were a teenager here?
Yeah, I was seeing someone who was 36 when I was 16.
Wow.
And it was pretty sick.
Andrew went to jail.
Uh-huh.
Wait, what?
What?
Yeah, he went to jail.
For being with you?
I didn't hear you.
Identity theft.
Oh.
This girl's a troll.
You're one of the most interesting people.
I know.
No, it's actually real.
I have text messages to prove it.
All right.
I'm in.
Like that's he went to jail That's exactly what I see, though.
He went to the jail.
We're talking about age gaps.
He went to jail.
For something totally unrelated.
Yes, but my point was it was pretty sick.
It was sick to be in jail.
Do you mean sick as in cool or sick as in human?
When I was 14 dating a 28-year-old, it seemed pretty cool at the time, too, until I got older and realized how freaking sick it was.
That's why when I see those, when I was 14, I had a lot of older men on my tail.
So when I see those 14 and 28, right?
When I see 18 and 40, that's what I see.
It's like, okay, they learned their lesson now, and now they're at least going for girls of age.
That's how Irony does.
Did I hear you right when you said that you dated an older man at that age?
Yeah, I was 14 dating a 28-year-old.
Yes, Andrew, that's what I said.
Well, why?
Because I was an idiot.
I was 14, had no idea what I was doing.
He was coming onto me, was talking to me a lot, asked me out.
I was like, oh, this is so cool.
Older guy is interested in me.
You know, he has a job.
He has a car.
Grid One Motorsports donated $200.
Let's be honest.
At this point, a better argument can be made that many women never emotionally or mentally mature.
The panel ebbing case in point.
Society is doomed.
Send the nukes.
Yeah, send the nukes.
Boom.
So, so back.
That's hot.
Oppenheimer?
Oh, my God.
So kind of back to this, as we dive into it.
Why is it, though, you don't think that that maybe informs your preference that you had a really bad experience when you were young?
So therefore, when women are considered adults, you have decided that you still need to kind of move that goalpost forward because you're trying to protect them from the same types of bad experiences that you had.
That's the thing, though.
I never said it was a bad experience.
It was great.
He bought me a lot of stuff.
He bought me food.
He took me to my practices.
It was a wonderful time.
But it could have gotten really bad if I didn't leave when I did.
And obviously, he was a 28-year-old with a 14-year-old, which he had no business doing.
So even though it was a great relationship with my mind now being more developed, I realized how sick and twisted it was.
I never said it was a bad relationship, though.
I never said that.
I just stepped away from the relationship or did he steal it?
I did.
Finally, when I was talking to more, I told more and more of my friends.
And at first, my friends thought it was cool, like my age friends.
But then I got talking to more of my older friends who were in high school because I was still in eighth grade.
Yeah, you're just a child.
And they were like, what are you doing?
What are you doing?
Can I add something?
The difference is that's highly illegal.
I know.
The only reason why I brought that up, though, is because it reminds me of, though, like, I do know him still.
I don't know him.
I don't like know him personally, but he's the guy now who's, well, I don't know how old he is.
He's like in his late 30s, early 40s, who's dating 18 years old.
Go ahead.
Stop.
I was just going to say that when I was 16, I didn't date anybody really old, but I was talking to this guy who was 19 at the time.
And even then, he was very aware that it was still a little inappropriate for him to be talking to me because of like the fact that I was 16 and he was 19 and about to be 20.
So I feel like if a 19-year-old boy can even make that decision and be like, okay, that's wrong.
I don't want to date the 16-year-old, even though we are both teenagers technically.
And, you know, it's 16, 19, that's like, what, three years?
That's not that bad.
But even he had like the knowledge and was like, okay, I don't want to hang out.
Yeah, because it's a crime.
He didn't want to get locked up.
Yeah.
Yeah, I know.
It was a crime.
It had nothing to do with what you and him wanted.
It was a crime.
That's why he didn't want to do it, right?
Yeah, obviously.
But I'm saying that I don't know what that has to do with anything.
Can I finish?
I'm trying to figure out why it's actually kind of moral imperative at 18.
When they're 18, they're considered adults by society.
Why it's somehow bad?
Other than kind of this arbitrary ick factor that you have.
I don't see any other argument than that.
But why can't we smoke and drink at 18?
Because you smoke and drink.
Yeah, smoke and drink at 18.
Wait, Kiko, move your mic.
There's a little bit of a difference, though, consuming substances that can alter your brain chemistry versus having sex with somebody that could alter your brain for life.
Well, I mean, nobody's advocating for having sex at that age.
But the reason that you saw the drinking age and stuff like that.
Hold on to his callers.
Brian, call animal control.
There's a raccoon at the table.
What the fuck is going on?
Also, how are you going to struggle opening that wine bottle?
My hands are bleeding.
I swear I loosened that shit for Kiko.
Like, it was about to pop, but then, like, you know, it is what you can.
Right, I'm still kind of, I don't know.
Is that your first time prove yourself, Brian?
Yeah, we have two more.
If anybody wants to, like, you know, I can redeem myself.
If anybody wants to, you know, it's like, we got two more champagne bottles that we can pop.
So imagine if I go for zero for three on all the champagne bottles.
I actually have to end the podcast.
Like, I can't do this podcast anymore.
If I can't open one of those championships, yeah, probably.
I'm just yeah, I'm going to be, yeah.
Nick, she sent us the go to our Instagram.
She sent us like a photo or something.
Yeah, it's a screenshot.
Okay.
So we'll pull that up.
Here, let me do a chat.
Let me let me get this chat in.
We have Dark Shadow.
Brian and Andrew thanks for awesome shows.
These ladies have no value.
If they say cuddling is what they bring to the relationship, Apillow does the same thing.
The woman next to Brian is beautiful.
Okay.
Assume you're talking about Priya.
She is beautiful.
All right.
Thank you, Dark Shadow.
Thank you, LPE.
Appreciate it.
Let me see here.
Oh, that's still loading.
Here.
One sec.
Do you have it, Nick?
That you said it's not about sex, but he already said too, fertility was the number one thing that he would go after an 18-year-old.
Yeah, do you have to do it?
No, that's not what I said.
I said, what do you even call?
What's better about an 18-year-old?
You said fertility.
So that means that.
But what you did was you inserted, he said he would do X, didn't you?
So you lied, is what you did.
You were trying to insert that I would do an action based on an argument that I made for why I think that men would go for women who had more fertility and why that would biologically make sense that they do so.
That has nothing to do with what I would or wouldn't do.
Okay, redacted.
A reason he gave for why men would want to go for an 18-year-old is fertility.
So if it's for fertility, then you're saying that, oh, it's different because drugs and drinking and all that can make your mind different.
But I'm like, so can having a child.
So I agree.
So the thing is, there's a reason.
I'm not talking to you.
I'm talking to Priya.
I need to clarify because I was put up by the body.
Stop answering that question already.
I was already answering that question for you.
Wait.
Mothers against drunk driving in organizations like this are the ones that push those laws to raise the drinking age and smoking age from 18.
It was tied with you being an adult always until a bunch of busy bodied, dumb brats like yourselves got together and decided that they wanted to push the age of consent law.
Why?
Why who was no sense?
It's not consistent.
Andrew, because too many 18-year-olds were drinking and driving, right?
Too many 18-year-olds were drinking and driving because they couldn't handle the responsibility of drinking.
Hold on, I have my hand raised, but you're on bra.
Stop.
So I think, did you have your hand raised and then you had your hand raised?
You go, then you go.
Okay, I was gonna say for fertility, actually, statistically speaking, 13 to 15 year olds are very fertile.
Oh my gosh.
Like, why do you keep on doing that?
Okay, that's fair.
Is it her that's doing that?
Doing what?
Going back to what?
She just keeps trolling.
She's just.
I'm saying that it's true.
So, like, we should take it into consideration when we talk about age of consent.
We don't want 13-year-olds to have a lot of people.
No one's advocating for that.
Yeah, we don't want to.
No, I'm not advocating for a 13-year-old.
I'm just saying, like, if we're really talking about fertility, you know, that's something that we're doing.
And basically, our fertility, we are most fertile when we are.
No, that's a good point, though.
We are fertile when we are most born.
By the time we are 13 and hit our puberty, woman, once we go through our first menstrual cycle, we lose majority of our fertility anyway.
So it's a good idea.
Your turn.
Her turn.
Oh, man.
Let me get that.
Reel that back in.
Go ahead.
So for the hypothetical situation where you wanted to protect your daughter from an older guy, would you even bother getting to know this?
Like, if we're going to, it's all hypothetical.
And then if you made the same mistakes that you're trying to prevent, how would they learn how to make their own choices?
You don't have to.
I see you.
Like, the way that it is, is, I'm not going to make any adult thing, but what if you got to know the guy?
What if he was a good guy?
What if, I don't know.
Just what if, what if, what if.
Yeah, it's a bunch of what ifs.
And I would, I think it is all depending on the situation and how it's brought up to me and the family and stuff.
But I'm just saying my initial reaction would obviously be a full stop.
Hell no.
Now, would I say, like, I wouldn't want to hear them out or whatever?
No, obviously I don't want to hear them out.
That's, you know, that's my child.
I don't want to do the opposite and shut them down before they just run off with this older man.
Exactly.
I would never want to do that.
But it's, you guys are getting twisted.
I've never had a bad experience with older man.
I've dated an older man when I was younger, like I said, and it was actually great for me.
So it's not that I'm trying to protect them.
I don't want them to do this and third.
It's just I want her to be aware that she is walking into a possible power dynamic issue.
It would be the same thing if my 30-year-old daughter was going to marry some rich doctor or lawyer or whatever.
I'll be like, make sure that you have your things in check.
So just in case something goes bad, you're not going to get left in a stranded little studio apartment or something.
It's the same thing.
It's the same thing.
That's true.
It's like to be a mother to like and a boy or girl.
It doesn't matter who is in that situation.
Obviously, if they're 18, 19, they're going to do whatever they want.
But it's also like your job as a parent to like advocate for the best of them and have their best interests at heart.
You know?
No, it's not.
So it's not bad.
Yeah.
Oh my God, here you go again.
Here.
No, no, no, no.
Stop.
I'm changing the topic.
Let me read this chat.
And then.
Brian, you are a saint.
Can we have a three strikes rule in 2024 for any debate that drifts outside of the 18 plus?
Yes, I mean, I don't know why.
Like every, we're obviously talking about adult relationships.
If we're gonna, if, if it happens to come back that we're talking about age gap relationships, let's keep it within the context of adult relationships.
I know you guys love talking about that weird shit, but.
All right.
Let me get some of my notes here.
Hold on.
Okay.
Do we have the thing pulled up, Nick?
Oh, you need, that's what we had to do.
I need you to right-click the, don't pull it up yet.
Right-click the image that she sent, open a new window, and then show us that one.
Into frame Kika.
Sorry, my back hurts.
Do you have it, Nick?
She put that blanket behind you.
I know.
Yeah, I was like back then.
Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub, twitch.tv slash whatever.
You got it?
Go ahead.
Okay, so this is what you sent us.
This is your car.
Yeah.
There's more, but I didn't have pictures.
Yeah, that's fine.
So your ex did that.
Good time.
Yeah, while I was driving.
You did that while from the inside.
From the inside.
What kind of shoes was he wearing?
Just regular sneakers.
He was trying to get out or something?
No, he was trying to prove that because we were together when I got the car, that it was 50% his car.
From the passenger seat while spitting on me, the windshield wiper clicker is gone.
My car is stuck in cruise control.
It's kind of funny, but not really hard.
I hope that we both find way better men or whatever you're looking for.
We both have wiping our faces.
You should have crashed so similar way to the business.
Because we both dated Mike's.
They both drive their mom's Lexus.
Yeah.
And they both sucked our cars up.
No.
Dude.
And we're going to do that.
We guys need to do a cleansing or something.
We did that night at the beach.
At the ocean.
And then my car, it got destroyed that night.
That was the last one.
That was the purge.
The purge.
Yeah, your name's Alora, right?
Yes.
You said you wanted to spill some crazy tea.
Go ahead.
Some crazy tea.
Yeah, well, that was part of the tea.
And the fact that we both dated Mike's at the same time, that both drive their mom's Lexus.
They both fucked our cars up.
They're both crazy mama's boys.
Like, almost Bates Motel level mama's boy.
Can you show us?
Are those face tattoos?
Yeah, they are.
I have on this side, I don't know if you could really like swords.
Yeah, there's a sword with the sun on it, and then the regular cross, upside-down cross, and the number eight.
Turn your head, like, all the way that way.
Okay.
Okay.
And then the other way?
And this is a moon with a constellation on it.
Okay.
Nice.
So you said that your most recent ex is the craziest pathological liar you've ever met.
He's very emotional.
He used to jump out the car while you were.
On the freeway, he would just open the door, try and get out while being obliterated drunk.
He was like 10 years older than me, too.
That was one of those situations.
How old are you again?
I'm 23.
23.
Okay.
You said that he would tell you that you would be getting deported.
Yeah.
Are you a U.S. citizen?
That is actually so funny.
I'm a U.S. citizen, and he keeps telling everybody that he's going to have me deported back to New York.
Which is really ironic because he's originally from the UK.
And you can't deport a U.S. citizen in the U.S.
Okay.
How long were you dating this guy?
Two and a half years, almost three.
Okay.
Wait, you said when I was 20?
You said you had receipts, but the only thing you about that was.
I have receipts of him sending me voice messages threatening me that he was going to have me deported, that if he ever saw me in LA, that he was going to have me jumped.
What the fuck?
Yeah.
By his family.
He's going to jump you.
That he was going to jump me, yeah?
Okay.
You want to know what it was over?
I left him in Vegas because he, you know, got really angry, started doing like throwing his temper tantrum.
So I left him in Vegas.
I bought him a bus ticket to come back because I was like, damn, I really did that.
Like, you know, I started feeling guilty and he guilt-tripped me.
So I bought him a bus ticket and then he sent me those threatening messages and blocked me on everything.
I was like, damn, I helped you get back to LA.
You said here that he's a narcissistic mama's boy and why they need to be bopped.
What does that mean to bopped?
No, I bopp somebody.
Like just, he needs to get fought or something or like knocked straight.
Knocked straight or at least like wake up because he is the most childish person I've ever met.
And I'm still a child.
I'm 23.
He's 32.
We're like exactly 10 years apart.
Was he raised by a single mom?
He was raised by a single mom, but he did have a stepdad.
I don't know if he knows his real dad, but his mom does everything for him.
It's a little, not a little bit, it's very enabling.
How long were you dating him again?
Almost three years.
And how early on did you detect that he was exemplifying some of these undesirable behaviors and traits?
Honestly, when I first met him, there were red flags.
Sorry, hold on just a second.
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Crazy finds crazy.
Thank you, man.
If you act like a low-class fraud, that is how men will see you and the men that will find you.
Please seek professional help.
Stop partying.
Do less drugs.
Get out of LA.
Be better.
That is incorrect.
What is it incorrectly?
Crazy finds crazy.
What?
Now, I mean, I think that actually is so nice.
Narcissist.
Yes, that is true.
DED finds narcissists.
But I would like to say that I was working as a babysitter for a while, and I worked for this one month specifically.
Make it quick, please.
Who had this crazy ex, and she was a very good person.
She was a nurse.
She was a wound care nurse.
She had her kids.
I don't care what her profession is.
Okay, I'm just saying she wasn't crazy.
She wasn't crazy.
So crazy doesn't find crazy.
Thank you for sharing that.
Enlightening.
Over to Levolve.
I don't remember.
Okay, so you're dating this dude.
So how soon?
Oh, yeah, how soon?
Red flags, but I ignored it because I was like, damn, you know, he's doing a lot for me.
He's taking me to meet all these people.
He's, you know, like really introducing me to LA.
And then for a good year of our relationship, it was really good, really beautiful.
And then within the last since October, he kind of fell into this spiral and I was like, what is going on?
And just he got every day progressively worse.
He would lie about if he put $5 in the gas tank, he would tell me he put $20.
Like just little things like that he would lie about.
He would pull stories out of his ass, like this is what I'm doing.
But then he would be home in bed, just like things like that.
And then he would get really angry, really aggressive, like this like mockery.
Was it a fancy energy?
It was weird.
Was it a physically violent relationship?
It got to that point, yeah.
Was it mutually abusive?
Most of the time, I would just sit there quiet.
I mean you said he needed to get bopped.
Did you ever bop him?
No.
I should have.
Everybody around here should have slapped him.
But I'm not a fighter.
I don't even like to argue.
I don't like to get loud.
It shuts me down.
So as soon as I start getting yelled at, I'm like, mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Okay, that's great.
And I'll say my argument at the end.
And you know, but I don't really like that.
And so I'm sorry if I missed this.
You were together with him for how long again?
Almost three years.
Three years.
And again, I'm sorry that I missed this.
What, like, how early on into the relationship did you detect unsavory behavior?
Probably at the eight-month mark.
I was like, okay, that's kind of a red flag.
But then after that, like I said, for a year, it was really good, like, really beautiful.
And then it snapped and was just like really, really nasty out of nowhere.
So it was smooth sailing, and then it just, was there like a.
I feel like there was a trigger because for a while we stopped partying, we started working, we were living together, you know, we kind of did everything together, going to the gym, all of that.
And it was doing really good.
And then we tried to throw an event and he started talking to all of his old party friends.
And, you know, LA has that whole underground system.
And we like left that behind.
As soon as he got back into it, I don't know what he got into, but his mind just completely left.
It really did.
So you were, and this is the guy that you left a month ago, about a month ago.
Yeah.
If he were sitting here at the table, would he co-sign on all this stuff?
What would he say?
What would he say that you did wrong in the relationship?
And then, what do you think that you did wrong, if anything?
I think I lagged on paying his mom rent.
I did pay her $500 a month.
I'm still paying it off.
I wrote a contract with her.
I'm still paying whatever I owe off, but I lagged in that.
And that's his main reason for being so nasty to me.
He proposed to me.
Our breakup was two days after he proposed to me.
Isn't that such a joke?
Yeah, I still have the ring because I'm the one that bought it.
Oh, lucky God for me.
I wish I was kidding.
I really wish I was kidding.
I'm so sorry.
You're going to find somebody amazing, I promise.
Yeah, no, I know that.
I'm taking it as a learning experience.
Like, I joke about it and I laugh about it.
Don't get me wrong, it hurts.
Like, I cried because I really don't know what went wrong, you know?
But it was a learning experience, to say the least.
You know, I will be single for a very long time.
Do you think he had a drug problem?
I do.
And it's funny because a lot of his friends and I were talking about giving him an intervention or something because everybody thinks he's on something.
That's everybody.
I was going to ask because when my boyfriend, like he would start asking to borrow, hey, well, I'm like half asleep.
Hey, do you mind if I borrow $20 for gas and then I go later to the gas station and end up, there's not a single set in my wallet?
I'm like, oh, took an old extra hundred or something like that.
Definitely was doing stuff.
Yeah, he took like $4,000 from me.
He has, and he's already spent almost all of it.
Do you think he's watching the show right now?
Does he know that you're doing it?
I sent him the link.
Yes, I did.
Wait, are you still talking with him?
No, he has me blocked on everything, but I sent him the link in text.
So if the number is not blocked right now, I kind of hope he's watching.
Maybe it'll be a wake-up call.
Okay.
Good times.
Let's see here.
We have, let me get through some of my other notes here.
We have Lydia.
Oh, here, let me read this.
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Soft hands.
That's true, bro.
Holy fuck.
I loosened it, though, for Akiko, man.
That's my homie.
Andrew, I'm going to need a drag of that cigarette.
That's right.
This is an interesting show we've got going on.
I'm Lydia, yes.
Yes, you are Lydia.
Okay, so you, sorry, getting my notes pulled up here.
You went to USC.
Yeah, how'd you know that?
It was on your.
It was on your LinkedIn.
I think you sent it to us.
LinkedIn?
I think you sent us a LinkedIn.
You don't have a LinkedIn?
No.
Appreciate you.
Why would I send you guys a LinkedIn?
I think you sent us.
No, why would I send a LinkedIn?
I think you did.
No.
Can you pull it up, please?
Because I want to see that.
No, we don't need to pull it up.
But in any case, you got your bachelor's degree in art and film.
No, I didn't.
Oh, then this is just fake news then.
Well, I went to art and film.
I still have a year and a half left.
Oh, you're still.
Okay, but that's what you're studying.
Okay.
I don't know.
Maybe it's someone posing as you on LinkedIn, I suppose.
I did a little dive on your Instagram and TikTok.
Have you?
I don't know if you're just, because you said you're in this complicated relationship.
It's not clear to me if you're actually monogamous, but were you romantically linked with Churdleys and or Hassan Piker?
Hassan Piker?
Ew.
I did a photo shoot with him once.
Wait, why'd you say ew to that?
It's just funny because he's, I don't know, I just haven't thought about that.
But Churdley's is my best friend.
I have a fake marriage thing going on for the past two years.
Yes, I saw the fake baby photos in the baby doll.
Yeah, thanks for stalking my page.
No, it wasn't stalking.
It was just, what's it called?
The opposition research, I guess.
Do people think I have a thing with Hassan?
I don't know.
Like, who said that?
Did you?
No, I met him once.
Okay, it was for a photo shoot then.
You have, I saw you had a pet possum, too.
Yes.
Okay.
Let's see.
Hold on.
There is a photo on your Instagram that I object to.
We can't pull it up.
And maybe Andrew might want to weigh in on this.
Maybe, I don't know.
You took a photo of a naked man with a Bible over his private parts.
Yes.
Don't you.
I'm curious.
I have two questions for you.
First question, don't you think it's a bit disrespectful to Christians to...
I'm Christian.
As a Christian, I find that very disrespectful.
You're a Christian?
Yes.
Actually, I figured if people like to look at naked men, this is a good way to promo the Bible.
Naked.
Was this your photo shoot you set up?
Yeah.
Like, this was your idea.
Now, I have a question, though.
So, would you be willing to do that with the Quran?
Yeah, why not?
Okay.
All right.
I mean, if I dive in on that just a little bit, so you set up a photo shoot where you put a Bible around a man's genitalia?
Yes.
What was the point of that?
Oh, to promo the Bible.
It was to promo the Bible.
Yes, I feel like kids these days don't read enough books.
You sold some Bibles.
Yeah, so I just curious, did you throw the Bible away?
No, no, it was at the place where they had props.
That was one of the props.
So I didn't have to buy it and have to throw it away.
I picked it up and I left it where it was.
As a Christian, do you know what the word sacrilegious is?
Yeah, I'm not that type of Christian.
I don't believe in that.
What kind of Christian?
What type of Christian are you?
Not the type that you just said.
Yeah, I don't know what that means, though.
What type of Christian are you?
Oh, I believe that there is a God and he controls the simulation, and that's about it.
I believe it to be.
No, no, no, I believe him to be like, you know, like the old white dude God.
Yeah, are you in Scientology?
Yeah.
No, no, I don't fuck with Scientology.
Didn't God make bodies?
Shouldn't we celebrate bodies?
What's so bad about bodies?
Yeah, so I mean, wait, before we get into that, if you don't mind, when you say that you're Christian because you believe in some simulation theory or something, like what does that have to do with Christianity?
Oh, I believe the white God controls the simulation.
I think that you're just a troll, honestly.
No, why the fuck is everyone making fun of me?
Like, I'm just trying to state my opinion here.
No, you don't believe in Christianity.
No, I do.
I believe that.
I believe that you're in a simulation theory because there's a white person.
No, there's a lot of correlation between simulation theory and Christianity.
Why don't you just tell me?
Tell me what Christianity is.
There's a God and there's a Son and there's a Holy Ghost.
Okay, what is it?
What is a religion?
What does being a Christian mean?
So it's like a stem from Judaism, actually.
Yeah, what does it mean?
And it also depends.
What kind of Christian?
Like, you're talking about Protestant or?
Yeah, any Christian.
Okay, well, that's a stem from the Catholic Church.
Yeah, what is it, though?
What does it mean to be a Christian?
Oh, it's just that you have faith in God?
No, there's nothing.
No.
Are you Christian?
Would you consider faith in God who are Muslims to be Christians then?
No, no, their faith is in Allah, which is also cool.
I have a question.
Are you Christian?
That's not Christian, right?
Wait, but are you Christian?
Yes.
Okay, what kind of Christian?
I'm an Orthodox Christian.
Oh, okay, I see.
Okay, we're going to have some disagreements.
No, no, we're not going to.
Listen, all you have defined Christianity is as the belief in a God, but there's thousands of people.
No, no, no, believe in the white God that has a son named Jesus.
Hang on, stop.
What's the separation that makes one a Christian versus a pagan?
Oh, pagan believes in very many gods.
Go ahead.
Just leave it.
Okay, pagans.
Oh, pagans believe in many gods.
Christians, I believe in the Holy Trinity, which is one God, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Yeah, but you can have pagans who believe in only monotheism.
You have Muslims who believe in monotheism.
What is the distinction between Christianity?
I mean, the Muslim God and the Christian God is the same thing.
Yeah, what is the distinction between what is a Christian and what is them?
Sorry, I take my medicine.
Christianity in the modern sense is a stem from Martin Luther.
Yes, he wrote a book and he was hiding and then he was hiding in an attic.
He wrote a book.
Oh my god.
And we can finally read Christian in German and English.
And there's no more Latin.
Are you a performance artist?
Me?
Yeah.
I wish.
No, you totally.
I mean, as an artist myself, what kind of art do you do?
I paint.
And I consider myself a weird performance artist, too.
It's like satire almost.
Yeah, you're just beating the troll at this point.
You're good at it, but it's just.
Bro, Nick, you're missing.
Sorry, what?
Oh, my God.
I'm convinced of the troll thing.
Maybe.
Can you read what the labels say on her medication?
Huh?
No, I'm actually doing it.
My mind is on history, man.
Yeah, you can see the labels.
Can you read it for me, please?
One tablet by mouth every three times a day.
I don't what is the name of the medication?
Hey, man.
Oh, doctor.
That's like fucking daycare tonight.
Dr. Sickleton?
Wait.
Which one did I miss?
Oh, gosh.
Oh, my gosh.
I'm dumbfounded.
So you always take your medication at 7.05 p.m. 7.05 because I'm supposed to take it with food.
You guys, anybody have some food?
13?
13 is better than 13.
Okay.
Oh, my God.
Yeah, most are summer morning, summer night.
I thought you said you only take one medication.
I lied.
Oh, boy.
Knowing you'd have to take them on the ship.
This is like, I I think I have a pretty good read on, and Nick, just leave it on her.
Are you putting powder on the table?
Okay, she's spiritual.
Wait, wait, wait.
Dude, come on.
You switched away?
Yo, what are you doing?
Performance.
No, you're not, Cornelius.
No.
No.
You're not real.
There's something wrong with this girl.
What the fuck?
Bro, you know it's all over your face.
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Here, Nick, you might have to do it.
I believe this lady who is representing in complete bad faith.
She is adding nothing to the conversation, Frank.
Castle.
Yeah.
Hey, fuck you, grid.
Donate!
Dude, oh, no, the donate is after.
Yes, okay, you need to you need to leave Wait, really?
Yeah, you need to leave.
Why?
You need to leave.
For what?
Kind.
I'm.
I'm trespassing you from my studio.
Kindly leave.
I'm sorry.
Wait, but I was invited.
Your invitation has been revoked.
Can you kindly leave?
Yeah, you played your hand too quick.
You could have maybe.
Did you think I want to stay on this shit for six hours?
Also, you You tell me to leave one more time.
My raccoon will bite you.
Yo, can you just leave?
Can you just leave?
Just can you just leave?
Look, get out of here.
I get that you're trying to troll, but like, can you?
I can't believe I tried to get it.
Can you please respect the other people that have taken their time to be here?
I drove 12 fucking hours.
Like, these people, some people flew in.
Can you just kindly leave?
Like, we get your trolling, but I've revoked, I have revoked your permission to be here.
Okay.
You are now trespassing.
Can you kindly get up and leave?
Wait, but I don't want to go yet.
Doesn't matter.
You can't even have the camera on your face, girl.
Yeah.
Why?
What's wrong with my face?
Can you please just here?
You need to get up and leave.
We're over at the theatrics.
The camera's not on you.
Just call.
I mean.
Are you recording?
Okay.
So, I mean, she's refusing to leave.
Can we just like take a little break?
Like, I feel free to leave.
No, no, no.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Just stop.
Stop.
Let me.
I don't feel like I don't want to be next to her.
I'm sorry.
Okay.
I'm going to get up.
I'm asking you to leave.
I need you to get up and leave.
You can't.
I'm sorry.
If they call the police, you will be arrested.
Yes, you're trespassing.
I have revoked your permission to be here.
You are now trespassing.
Okay.
So I'm asking you to just get up and leave.
Do you want someone to call the police?
Yeah, the other thing is, is like, you're not really a very good troll.
You kind of suck at it.
Says you're not.
Don't do yourself any favors.
You're part of this too, because this is who you invited.
We're friends.
Are you co-signing her behavior?
I don't co-sign anything.
I'm just her friend.
This isn't objectionable to you at all.
I'm on the ride.
Okay.
Then did you know she was going to do this?
I don't know how any of this goes.
I don't know about her medication.
Okay.
So now you're legally not allowed to be here.
I have just trespassed you from my property.
So I'm asking you kindly to leave.
Okay.
Brian, I'm going to call the cops.
Can somebody call the police?
You want me to do that?
I can't.
It's so easy to just leave and not drag this on.
No, no, no, Brian.
Do not drag this.
No, no, no.
Hold on, Nick.
Intro, intro, Nick.
Guys, we're trying to get her to leave, but she's not leaving.
Nick, get on the intro.
You're going to go to county jail.
Dude, like, here's the way I'm going to go.
This is county.
This isn't supervised by the country.
It's too late now.
They called.
They called me.
Now they're going to let you leave until you get arrested.
Yeah, now they're going to have to wait for the name.
But you do acknowledge you, like, affected everyone else on this, on here.
This is a political statement for you.
This guy has a simple, easy podcast.
Why did you even get on here?
Like if you don't like it, why'd you even come?
Oh, he asked me to come.
Don't forget that.
refusing to leave she might be under the influence of something able to avoid getting around
Dumb in front of everyone.
Like I, when I watch this, I'm always yelling at it.
Gave them to somebody else I'm not making spending money.
It was over $90 if you're being a f- I literally came on here.
Ridiculous.
All of us women are freaking batshit.
You're the victim.
The cops are coming for you.
Someone's recording and they're clearly in the wrong.
Like, why would you post that?
Like, I was just one thing.
I was just saying, just be kind.
That's all my kind.
And what is going on?
I just don't.
Like, you had to.
Like, is this how she usually acts?
Like, is this a normal behavior?
Like, I just...
Not all women are stupid to say, not all men are stupid to say.
You know, exactly, but that's what I'm saying.
Like, it's going to see these.
Because she knows that she knew exactly what she was doing.
As a friend, you tell yourself.
I'm telling you I didn't sell shit, you should have checked the contracts.
What did- I'm gonna say that, now I can go.
What, you think that's- This is insane.
Are you- This is insane.
I mean, you can tell me the first fucking statement.
You- Yeah, for a second.
You literally called it the first fucking question.
Dude, she's literally just her age and her appearance.
I feel like it started to unravel when I said, are you a performance artist?
I'm just trying to fucking see you.
Yeah, her first thing.
She introduced herself.
The sling.
I saw her.
Yeah.
That was a raccoon.
I mean, she's a clear little tool.
Yeah, I needed help.
Eccentric at first, I thought.
She didn't get arrested.
She probably wants to get arrested.
But did she actually say that she didn't sign the form?
She probably wrote fuck you or something on it.
Well, she signed it.
Doesn't it mean that technically this footage can't be used then?
And then it screws everyone over if she didn't sign it.
I have no idea.
I think she did sign it, but it was like in another language.
Daddy took a picture of her.
Yeah, but that's still, that's still something.
Doctors do that all the time.
I'm just like, because that would be really screwed up, though, if she didn't sign it, because then it's like, oh, you can't use any of it.
I look at this shit.
What the?
It's probably, it's honestly.
It's probably chalk.
It's probably one of her medications.
She took the capsule open.
I used to be on lithium.
I was on lithium once.
It looks like that when you open it.
Yeah, no, this is a weak question for sure.
It's not salt, but it's not sugar.
That's probably lithium.
No, it's probably lithium.
None of the bottles should looking at it.
She probably has so many, she just puts it in.
It might be powdered sugar.
Might be powdered sugar.
I'll take it.
I don't give a shit.
No, it's bad signs.
Maybe powder.
Get out.
Yo, back up.
Just please back up.
I'm like, does he only have a scent to it, like a chemically scent?
Yeah.
Maybe powder.
I mean, I've done my hand for stupid things.
You need to go to a behavioral health hospital.
Inpatient.
72 minutes to our stay.
Unbelievable.
Involuntary.
She committed involuntarily.
All right, guys.
I hope she gets arrested.
I really do.
It's all over Macy.
At least we'll have a little bit more room.
That's what I was saying.
Oh, I need to take it.
I'm so sorry, guys.
I don't know if, like.
Jesus Christ.
I'm taking it.
I'm going to be honest.
That, like, was a total hill.
And I really don't want to be here anymore because that made me so uncomfortable.
I know.
That was.
Like, I'm actually shaking right now.
Like, that was not.
At one point where you were, like, holding it, she just gave you a voice.
She was like on me.
The raccoon was on me.
Can I sue for that?
Like, I do not want to act on yours.
That was title.
It was like, I was going to fucking tell Brian to kick her off because obviously she was trolling because she sat here.
She told us.
She told us that she found the raccoon, already taxied her.
Yeah.
And then she said it was her pet.
So it's like, okay.
She looks like she has a powdered DJ.
She said a powder donut.
Like, come on.
Yeah.
Oh, that was so painful.
It's like she just got moaning.
It's wild.
So she came up here.
She did this because she doesn't like the manosphere.
She doesn't like the red pill stuff.
She thinks that Brian just gets up here and humiliates women all day.
What did you just do?
You just humiliated the woman.
Like, you just made us so fucking stupid.
Whatsoever.
Like, how do you, how is that helping us?
I'm so embarrassed.
Like, it's so.
Y'all call me Cuckoo Kiko.
What?
I've never.
Oh, Kiko.
I've actually watched videos with you, like, your intense debates.
And when I first saw you, I was like, oh my gosh, that's Kiko.
Why are you surprised?
Hi to you, imagine first.
I'm a fan of this podcast.
Like, I genuinely watch it, and I sit there and I'm like yelling at the screen because I like, and, you know, I was just like, shoot, might as well send a message.
Never thought I'd actually get on.
And like, finally, get on, and this dumb bitch is gonna be a little bit more.
And honestly, I have to say, you are much more pretty in person.
I mean, you're so pretty.
You really are gorgeous.
You're so pretty.
Thank you, guys.
Really pretty.
The most like symmetrical person.
Yeah.
And you literally did.
Yes.
All right.
So, hold on, guys.
Let me just address this really quick.
Okay, guys.
So, just the girl in the corner there, she wanted to bring that girl, their friends, I guess.
I've taken them out of the.
It's kind of unfortunate because I had some things for her, but whatever.
It was kind of clear from the beginning she was trolling, but I mean, that went like completely sideways.
I mean, and we like the thing is, is like, okay, you don't like the whatever podcast?
Cool.
But, like, all you guys came from out of town, like, that's, and, like, okay, do your troll then leave.
Right.
But, like, I've trespassed you.
We could have, like, I mean, I didn't want to open up the liability.
Like, we could have an energy charge for what she just kicked over, too.
Like, it's in the contract.
It's in the contract.
Yeah, well, we're gonna, um, we're we're going to uh we're gonna probably litigate that.
Um, so uh, she wouldn't leave.
Wild.
I hope they were waiting for her downstairs.
We can maybe really do.
I don't really got there that fast.
Yeah, we're gonna have so very sorry, guys.
It's gonna take us a couple more minutes to get everything back together.
Um, and uh, give me just a sec, guys.
I need to do a couple things here.
So, how old are you?
Can you guys wipe down the table a little bit?
22, I think.
Okay, 22.
She also had the champagne, too.
Yeah.
I think we need to like fluorox it.
Wait, did we take like a five-minute anniversary or something like that?
Yes.
Yeah, he's still there.
I know that.
I love the contradiction of hate men for hate being trash.
It was a trash human ring.
Nick, I would spray it down.
Yeah.
You can still see it from this angle.
You can.
Yeah, there's still powder.
I would definitely floor cute.
I would definitely speak.
It's like white.
it's in the question too One chair.
Yeah.
Sorry, guys, we're going to get a drug cushion.
Yeah.
Yeah, for targets.
Fuck yeah.
Really?
Good.
I kind of want to.
They gave her so many chances to not get arrested.
I know.
I can't believe she was.
She must sit down on the table like this.
I mean, cry for help, maybe?
I don't know.
That's fast.
Cry for help.
Let us pass you from home.
Car's out there.
Still out there.
That's not a cry for help.
That girl deserves to be locked.
That's controlled by the sheriff's department.
So they get here in 2.2 fucking seconds.
At least they come.
Yeah.
Well, this is a college.
And in LA, they don't.
Yeah.
Like, if they make you wait anywhere from two to four hours or something, it could have been different.
But this is the UC.
Like, this is a college town.
So it's your own.
Do you go to ASU in person?
Like, online.
Online.
I just started there.
Okay.
I went to UCSB for like three years and I just decided to move.
Okay.
Yeah.
ASU has their own thing.
Like their campus place is good.
Yeah, I mean, campus police, like, they can see for a lot of fucking money if they're not.
You know, so they try to be pretty thorough.
This is mostly, like, this is done as mostly the university.
Not so standard.
Okay.
Yeah.
Most of the people.
Andrew, I think our new friends lived here.
No, we can't hear you.
Put this back.
I don't know if you're talking.
Yo, so, hey, guys, we're going to be back to the show in just two minutes.
Everybody's going to rejoin us.
We have a special edition coming.
I want to, let me just, hold on, guys, if you can just be quiet here for a sec.
I'd like to apologize to our panelists.
I had no idea.
Like, frankly, had I kicked her initially when she started trolling, she probably would have pulled that out immediately.
It's incredibly rude that she did that to you guys, because I know some of you guys flew here.
Some of you drove here.
You spent money here.
You spent money.
Sorry, guys, I'm like kind of in a flight or flight now because she was like trying to press up on me fucking back.
And I'm like, we can't, look, I trespassed her.
Technically, we could have removed her by force, but I don't want the headache of like she's gonna, yeah.
So it's like technically, she was trespassed.
I could have, we could have removed her by force, but I was like, we're not gonna, let's just fucking, she, whatever.
She's extremely patient.
Yeah, I do.
I cannot.
I thought Nick was gonna pick Bread, but I would have done it.
Geez.
Yeah, I like respect Brian.
Seriously, Brian.
I would have tussled with her.
I mean, I was just, I would have maybe just grabbed her by the arm and like tried to.
Sorry, my dad could grab her right arm here and drag her.
I'd rather grab her by her raccoon and drag her down.
Like, if I told her, she screams my ear again.
So I also want to apologize to the viewers.
The girl, she was a plus one to the girl who was in the corner there.
I mean, I thought she was like kind of this quirky girl, whatever.
She had this kind of quirky Instagram, but like that was some like pretentious performative fucking bullshit.
How linked is she with Hassan Piker?
I saw on her Instagram, she did a photo shoot with him.
I think that's the extent of their relationship.
Look, if you come on and troll like whatever, the way she was doing it before, it's like it's kind of fucking annoying, but whatever.
But like when you do that, frankly, that was like super fucking creepy.
I think it made the girls really uncomfortable.
It was scary.
It was scary.
I've done a lot of crazy shit, but that was like that was fucking crazy.
Please do not like that.
She does not represent this panel, please.
No, just her and the girl next to her.
That's her homie.
If you're a friend, why are you not here?
Yeah, no, that was for sure.
That was not a good friend.
She should have stopped her.
Wait, also with the microphones, I think here's what we're going to do.
Kiko, can you put that one on the ground?
That's 11, and then scoot all the mics down.
We have Anay's friend here.
Grid one community supports donated $200.
Okay, troopers, let's soldier on.
Much to do.
Charges to press, lawsuits to file.
But for now, let's talk dating.
How do you feel about dating a man who carries a concealed weapon everywhere he goes?
Ooh, that's hot.
I love hot conservative man.
That is like the hottest thing you could do.
I hope to get my gun license next week.
Like a man that wants to protect his girl and his family, there is nothing hotter in the world than that.
Responsible gun owners.
I just get a little scared because guns do scare me and I'm not like familiar with that.
No, that's like, yeah, like I'm not familiar with that.
Does she have like a fucking weapon type of shit?
So that was, yeah.
Yeah, you should charge her for that for sure.
No, she definitely damaged some of our property.
I'm going to talk about this with my therapist.
I'm going to charge.
I'm going to send her.
Anybody who knows her emergency meeting is that you're going to be able to do it.
I think I need to adjust the cameras a little bit too, maybe.
No, she did actually do some property damage in here, guys.
Unfortunately, you didn't see it behind the scenes.
i don't know if it's worth my time to litigate it um you know we have a we what did she uh what did she go after uh She kind of fucked up.
I mean, luckily the stream continued, but she fucked up our router.
So yeah, and then it's just ridiculous.
That was crazy.
That was.
Anyways, should we go around the table?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's forget about it.
We spent too much of our time already.
Yeah.
And it's really unfortunate that that had to be like our last for that to go down on our last show of the internet gold.
It was great.
I don't know what everyone's complaining about.
Some lunatic with a cashier.
You are here.
It's going on.
Free shout out on the whatever pod.
It's internet gold.
I don't know what anybody is.
Andrew.
I know.
I still.
I mean, like, for me, even though that's tech, like, that's content, like, I don't want that fucking energy.
Like, it's just like it's, it's not, it's not worth it.
Like, I don't know.
No, I don't want that fucking energy like with our podcast.
She was like, it was so sick.
The fucking raccoon, like, haha, that's kind of funny.
But, like, that other weird.
Like, then it gets into like this kind of fucking dark.
Like, that shit, that was.
That made me uncomfortable.
And there was, there were a lot of people.
I don't want to bring it up.
I don't want to bring it up again, but she did mention a lot of inappropriate things that were like really sensitive.
Then the screaming, when she started screaming, I'm like, oh, Elizabeth, yeah, and also, like, she did snort in regards to what it was.
She did do whatever it was that she was doing.
I'm like dumbfounded.
She tried to get you next.
She's trying to get you banned.
Thanks.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, then we would have to, I mean, we would just litigate that.
So, I mean, it's.
That was scary.
It's not a big deal.
Like, we have a we have in our contract.
I mean, sometimes in California, it can be difficult to enforce this, but we have a liquidated damages clause in the contract.
So, I mean, we'll probably pursue something.
We'll pursue something.
I mean, we'll have to see, though.
So, also, Nick, technically, I mean, did you see her?
We could perhaps technically go after assault.
Because she was stepping at me.
So, not battery, but we might be.
Actually, you know what?
Should we talk?
Fuck it with her.
Okay.
Let's continue on.
All right, we'll continue on with the show.
All right.
Jesus Christ, bruv.
Should we go around with the question?
I just asked did the grid one motorsports TTS come through?
Like the.
I believe that was the one that she filled at.
Hide.
Grid one motorsports donated $200.
I believe this lady who is wrecked and she has complete bad faith.
She is adding nothing to the conversation, Frank Castle.
This is Sparta.
Also, may God have mercy on your soul, cause I can find none.
Yeah, exactly.
He figured her out early on, just like we did.
Oh, I mean, I knew there was.
He knew instantly.
Grid one, always on it.
He's like, there's something, there's a screw loose here.
She's up to no good.
He had her pegged pretty quick.
Yeah, I mean, I knew that there was like, I just didn't think it was going to go to the level.
That level of like, yo, once it's like, yo, get the fuck out.
The bit's over, Lee, once the bit's done.
Yeah, like, you don't, if you've been trespassed from somewhere, like, you gotta fucking go.
So, all right.
Um, let me see.
Are we still on members only?
Um, or, oh, shit.
Sorry, guys.
Let me, I'm gonna open it up to all the chatters.
Sorry, guys, we're gonna continue on with the conversation here.
Let me get these things up.
Fuck it.
I think this was her drink.
Can I go get my drink?
I don't want to drink it.
Maybe Madison can get it for you, I think.
It's the full cup of.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
I need to adjust one of the cameras.
Would you like to introduce yourself?
You're joining the panel.
Yeah, my name's Sophia.
I'm 21.
I'm coming off of a cold and I am a student.
Where do you go to school?
Channel Islands.
Very nice.
Yeah, CSU.
Very nice.
Are you, what's your occupation?
I'm a nanny, but I'm going to school to be like a teacher.
Okay, very nice.
Very nice.
What do you want to teach?
Elementary.
Yeah, I want to be like a kidnar daughter teacher or something.
Oh, that's very wholesome.
Like the very opposite of single.
Newly single.
Okay, what's your longest relationship?
Oh, that was the longest relationship.
It's the only relationship I've been in.
Okay.
How long was it?
Oh, too many years.
It's okay.
Too many years.
Oh, yeah.
We used to watch the show together.
Yeah.
Oh, sorry.
So your relationship status?
Yeah, single.
Oh, single.
As of like last week.
Oh, as of last week?
Is it on again and off again?
No.
Nobody wants to be.
In the beginning, it was, but it's like a solid like at least three, four years.
Okay.
Yeah.
So, oh, it's been on again and off again?
In the beginning.
And it ended a week ago?
Yeah.
Is this like the final though?
Or is it you guys are probably going to get back together?
No.
She's going strong.
She's going strong.
I'm going to Germany in like a couple months.
So.
Who ended up?
Me.
I have a question for the chat.
You know, Nick was kind of, we were not really attuned to this.
Did you guys miss, and maybe Andrew, you can weigh in on what you saw.
Did you guys miss most of what was going on?
Because we put it on the intro because she was frankly doing some like TOS.
That was crazy shit.
Well, I'm not going to lie to you.
That was all broadcast.
We did see it all here, at least on this channel.
If you like the footage, we can send you that footage.
But we did see it all live.
That was not.
Well, whatever we see here, you see, Andrew.
So.
Did you watch?
Yeah, that's a good point.
Oh, no, yeah, I went to that.
Okay, good.
Yeah, thank you.
Terror.
I'm going to go wash my hands.
Do you know who acted best in that whole situation was Kiko?
What did I do?
Well, I mean, she like, she took control.
She was dominant alpha chick.
She went over, swept up the pills and shit.
She did.
She just did the whole note.
You know, I'm in the College of Watts of Policy and Community Service.
So, you know, I really wanted to let my major shine through right there.
I ran.
I literally ran.
No, no, she did the whole night.
I ran once that raccoon started getting close to me.
I got so scared.
Yeah, I mean, I felt the bad vibes when she came in with the raccoon.
I'm sorry.
Yo, for the viewers, I know that it might have sucked that we were like going to the intro or whatever.
We just had to be very careful because we didn't want her to do any like proper sabotage shit where we could have been like if we had got that on camera when she was I don't know if you saw what she was trying to do, but like then there could have been other shit.
So we were going back and forth with the that intro screen.
Just bro, we got to be careful with the channel.
Like that's some crazy shit.
So I apologize that if you guys were kind of like, what the hell's going on?
We can't see anything.
We just got to be risk averse to that kind of shit.
So anyways, moving on, guys, moving on.
And I'll send all that footage over to whatever if they want to release it.
We probably, whatever you got, she has shells.
Oh, and we were recording.
Oh, yeah, all of us.
We looked at the ringles.
When did you start recording?
I turned around.
was already recording like when she started doing the when she started taking out all the asked me to start recording did you start recording before she No.
Oh, okay.
Did anybody get the...
No.
No, I was so shocked.
No.
I literally couldn't see that.
And I went a million minutes.
She did it so quick.
She just boomed.
We should have.
We probably should have had a camera on the bottom.
I mean, she had it on her nose.
I mean, whatever it was.
I'm pretty sure the reaction from the pills wasn't big enough for her.
She thought we were going to react more and since she wanted to do another big stunt.
What finally got her to go?
Because the threat of the cops didn't seem to do it.
The cops are friends.
Yeah, her friend pretty much was like, I don't know.
Her friend was not a good friend.
I was in on it.
She was 100%.
Yeah.
She was just like sitting there.
She was too non-chalong.
Yeah, exactly.
She's like, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.
And I straight up asked her, I'm like, does this girl act like this normally?
And she just didn't look at me.
She pretended that she wasn't.
I brought my friend on here.
I brought my friend Devana on here for one segment.
I think it was with, what's his name?
It's not Ben Shapiro.
The little.
Andrew.
No.
Michael Knowles.
Michael Knowles.
I saw that was.
I was like, if she would have done something like that, I would have been like, bitch, are you crazy?
You're making me look crazy right now.
I don't know her anymore.
I should have been doing this because it would have dragged me out.
That's not a good friend.
That's what I'm saying.
She was not a good friend.
That's how she's standing up to the window sphere and red.
That's your biggest standard.
That was a dumbass.
That was like a crazy bitch.
Okay.
You sure got Brian looking like a fucking psychopath?
I just didn't like it.
Honestly, I hate the way she captured Andrew.
That's going to pay off.
That's a father of five.
I don't pose.
You're going to start that.
That's right.
I lost the behind the foot.
Yeah, I'll have to figure out where we post it, probably on the Clips channel.
I think I'll, I mean, some of it might not be, depending on what we got, we might chop it up.
It might take a couple days for us to get it on the Clips channel, but okay, let's redirect.
Let's redirect.
Is there anything like kind of like to lighten the.
Well, there was a question in the last TTS that came through.
Did you pull the?
Yeah.
Oh, here we go.
I can't believe you're not talking about the obvious that crazy bee has genital herpes and was snorting Valtrex to control her outbreak.
Brian on herpes alone.
You had legal authority to end her.
Damn.
I got.
Jay Butler is coming through always.
Okay.
That was ridiculous.
And it's just like a waste of the it's also just like a waste of the police resources too.
Like they could be doing other shit.
Like, absolutely.
Don't fucking waste the police's time like that.
Although she's probably not a fan.
That's crazy.
I'm thinking you can get her committed for like at least evaluation.
No, she's going to say, oh, I was like, is performative blah, blah, blah.
It's trolling.
I mean, yeah, yeah.
So, um, it's taking too much energy out of us.
I wonder.
I'm just like trying to brainstorm if there's something kind of light.
Maybe, wait, I don't know if this would be funny, but like.
I had an idea that it might be cringe, but it could be funny.
So, um, oh, God.
So, on a piece of paper, I'll know if we're going to do it.
I was going to say, I wanted you guys to draw like what you guys.
This is kind of getting a little draw what you think the like an average pen size is on a piece of paper.
Oh, my God.
Do you have a is that kind of funny?
Like, is that funny or cringe?
Why can't you just ask?
Well, because I feel like if you could do like this or whatever.
Oh, like, like, with the chat.
Can you pull up the chat chat?
Do you think that'd be.
If you want us to draw penises, though, and then, like, show them.
So, we'll do it on, like, we'll give you each a piece of paper.
Here, I'll look on that.
Can you try to refresh that or some shit?
Is this like YouTube guidelines friendly?
As long as you don't, like, draw an actual actual, maybe just, like, here, if you drew it, like, just the length, like this, like, if you drew it like that, okay.
They can't even see it, Brian.
But give us everyone.
You want to do like realistic in that sense?
I mean, it's more like an assignment.
What we think is realistically infected.
Or whatever.
We can't.
Andrew, we can't hear you, by the way.
No, it's okay.
I'm kind of, I'll unmute when I'm talking.
Oh, okay, okay, okay.
To my chat, they want to know what's going on with different chats.
Sorry, sorry, so chat, I missed it.
Is it hard or soft?
No, no, not this one.
One in the chat if you'd like to see what they think the average peen size is, or two in the chat.
No, that's Sue Gay, Brian.
Is that weird?
Yeah, is that a trash idea?
Let's just do average, like what we've been with.
Can we do that?
Like, how many, like, what's the average or our preference?
Oh, my God, bro.
Nick, bro.
Can we leave the dick size talk?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I vote.
I've just taken a sword.
Okay, myself, I'm actually a headache now.
Damn.
Dude, yeah.
Get OBS back up.
Grid one motorsports donated $200.
Got to admit, snorting BC powder was something I did not see coming.
But I could smell the crazy on that one the minute I got home and tuned in.
If you wanted to, you could go around on my last TTS.
Sorry.
Yeah, sorry.
I'm just kind of flustered.
So it's some.
Disheveled.
Not disheveled, but what was flustered?
You are flustered.
Your face is really pink.
Yeah, no, I'm flustered.
Well, it's hot.
Nick, can you open the doors?
Made it worse.
So the grid one motorsports, here, we'll go around the table on this.
How do you feel about dating a man who carries a concealed weapon everywhere he goes?
Are we going around the table?
Yeah, we'll start with Kiko, then we'll go around the table.
Two thumbs up, my guy.
Wait, into the mic if you can.
Two thumbs up.
I would admit, I am a little scared of guns because I don't have any experience with them.
Can you open the doors?
I don't have any experience with guns, but I do love a conservative-looking man.
I feel like everywhere they go, it sounds really paranoid.
So that's kind of weird.
I am dating one, so I have no problem with it.
Yeah, I don't have an opinion.
I prefer it.
There is nothing hotter than a man protecting his own.
Nothing more hot.
I live in a carry state, so the only reason, you know, me or my boyfriend would want to have a gun is because other people have guns.
So if they have guns, we should have guns to protect ourselves.
Otherwise, I would never have a gun.
I find it interesting, like, the laws around guns in America, because in Korea, they're like detrimentally illegal.
But in America, it's so free here.
Like, you can carry it on you, and you can use them in self-defense.
I just think it's really interesting because Korea is a very South Korea, it's a very safe country.
And even, you know, when businessmen are out partying and they fan in the streets, they still have their Rolex on.
Only the police carry batons.
We never even carry guns.
That's why it's so important that we're able to, like, we need to be able to fight against our own government if that day ever came.
Yeah, that's true.
Go ahead, Tria.
Absolutely.
Love it.
Huge green flag.
And wait, you said that you would prefer that because you're anxious everywhere you go?
Or did I totally know?
I said that sounds paranoid to carry it everywhere.
Oh, to carry it.
I see.
Okay.
That's true.
That's like the tough feet.
You don't have to bring it.
It's going to be the one time you don't bring it.
That's true.
I was going to say that.
You never know what's going to happen.
In California or any other state in America, I feel like it somewhat in how things are going right now with the amount of gun violence there is.
I think there is a useful point for it, I guess.
But I would say that I think a man that carries almost has like a fascination of being like, ooh, like I'm going to protect this.
Like a hero complex.
Yeah, like a hero complex.
Yeah.
I would say he almost has a hero complex.
Nothing wrong with that.
I'm just saying.
I don't know.
I think it can be kind of doyle.
What's a hero complex?
Like, he wants to protect.
I mean, yeah, save the day.
Yeah, swoop in and save the day.
Like, he almost has, like, ooh, yeah, like, he's, like, packing it.
He's like, low-key when he's packing it.
He's like, damn, I hope something happens today.
Yeah, yeah.
They're not saying it's necessarily a bad thing.
I'm not saying it.
Yeah, I'm not saying that's a good thing.
I'm not saying it on that table.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but that's just kind of funny.
And I think that's kind of cute, like how a man thinks that.
Women who don't carry have a victim complex.
I'm not saying.
What a turn.
Who said that?
I'm just saying it's like a reaching.
Bro, I'm saying it's like a chicken.
Andrew Chill.
Which is the vast majority of carriers on a hero complex.
No, no, it doesn't have to be a direct one.
By the way, the same logic is it a victim complex the other way?
I'm just saying, bro.
Don't need to respond.
Yeah, but just car that out.
Don't even respond.
Yeah, I mean, why follow your own logic to its conclusion?
Let's not dig too deep onto that one.
But what do you, Andrew?
Are you familiar with the trolley dilemma?
The trolley dilemma?
Yeah, the trolley car problem.
The trolley problem.
What do you think if we had the girls do?
There's like a website that has like 20 different variations.
Oh man.
Should we have the trolley car problem?
Yeah, chat.
What do you guys think?
One in the chat if you want all the girls collectively to vote on the trolley problem so we can so we can assess their ethical reasoning.
Wait, what?
Morality and children.
What do you guys think?
The trolley dilemma?
One in the chat for the trolley dilemma?
It'll take like, we won't do all of them.
It'll take five minutes.
I feel like I've sent it before.
Let me see if I can find it.
Nick, if you can Google Neil N-E-A-L trolley.
I know what it is.
Problem, I think.
It's the absurd trolley problems.
Just Google that.
I think that'll kind of be fun, and you'll just like chill out.
I need to chill out too, so it'll just be.
And then we can get into the heated culture war.
What's that?
Yeah, so do you have it?
Can you make it a little bigger?
And I want you to put us on the other side.
Actually, in the corner, can you corner us?
I can do that or that.
Let's corner us, yeah.
Can you make it bigger?
Fuck.
Can you make it bigger now?
Make it bigger.
And then put the small one.
The small one?
And then just can you drag it into the corner?
I feel like I'm going to get this wrong.
Uh-oh.
Wait.
It's an ethical question.
There's no wrong.
It's just like what you would.
Here, just make a bigger one.
How do you define your value?
Make it smaller, actually.
Yeah, everyone will answer differently.
What the hell?
Maybe this is kind of start this side.
Wait, here, I'm going to do it.
Hold on.
Here, somebody, Anna, what's the craziest date you've been on in the past?
Craziest date?
Yes.
I forgot Sophia's news.
So, how about Sophia's daughter?
Sophia, what was she on?
She just got a relationship.
Craziest date.
I've been celibate since April.
That's not necessarily synonyms, though.
What?
Celibate and date are two different things.
Oh, no, yeah, I know.
I haven't gone on.
I've been like no boys completely.
So that's what I mean by that.
Nothing that there's anything wrong.
I'm just like taking a little break because I've had a lot of stuff I've had to work on.
How about ever?
Craziest.
Craziest date.
Oh, okay.
One time I met up with this guy from Tinder and I had to go pick him up.
And then I got a huge red flag.
I was going to say already.
I had to go pick him up.
And then the craziest part is that I got pulled over, got a ticket Because I was speeding and then I was like having an episode at the time.
I have BPD, but I was definitely like having like a little bit of an episode.
And then we were like, this is my first time meeting him.
I was like really crazy at the time.
I would never do this ever again.
But we did have like sex.
And then I almost passed out during the sex because I was like, there was like a lot of emotions in my body.
So I almost like passed out.
And then I kicked him out the next morning.
And then he had me pull over because he wanted to throw up.
And then on the way there, he told me he was like on medication.
And I asked him what type of medication he was on.
And he was like on a very questionable medication that made me not saying anything was wrong with that medication.
But I have been on that medication.
He was like on a really high dose.
So I was like, oh, maybe I shouldn't be with somebody that has the same issues as me, especially at that type of level they're on.
And they were living at a sober house at that, sorry.
They were living at a sober house at that time.
And then I just couldn't, I couldn't hang out with them anymore.
They were just too dysfunctional, and I was very dysfunctional at the time.
Probably a good decision.
Yeah.
Regardless, where your point were here, but we're going to go to the trolley dilemma.
Wait, actually, before that, let me just read the chats.
Wait, what's going on back there?
She just wants to be included in the description.
Oh, I think we do have her, don't we?
No.
We just, oh, I might have accidentally.
Oh, fuck.
Did I keep her in?
Oh, sorry.
I removed.
Fuck, I kept the fuck in on my crack.
Crazy girl.
No, you were in it.
I accidentally removed you.
You were in it, but then I mixed the two Instagram accounts up.
So here, let me just.
Just tell us what it is.
I'll retype it real quick.
Fuck.
Sorry.
God damn it.
Okay, what is it?
What's your name?
Can you?
Oh, O-V-G-R-A-E.
O-V-G-R-A-E.
Is that?
Okay.
All right.
I accidentally took it out when I was.
I was trying to.
Yeah, I was trying to take them two out, but let me actually make sure I took that other girl out too.
Hold on, guys.
One sec.
Don't add hers.
Don't add hers.
No, it's not.
Okay, we're good.
Hey, don't add hers.
I didn't.
Go ahead.
Nick.
Okay.
So, guys, this is the absurd trolley problem.
Well, this is a trolley problem, trolley dilemma.
Philosophical, ethical.
Okay.
So, oh, no, a trolley is heading towards five people.
You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track, killing one person instead.
What do you do?
so i i think i don't know if we do we could do this as a consensus so Raise your hand if you want to pull the lever.
So we're going to save the five people.
Yeah.
Okay.
Go ahead.
Because either way, you're going to be.
Nick, can you hide hide us or can you fuck Do I have to move us to the other side now?
Okay, 73.
Yeah, you can actually try to move us.
Okay, just hit next.
Okay.
Oh, no.
A trolley is heading towards five people.
You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track, killing four people instead.
What do you do?
The least amount of lever.
Pull the lever still.
Is this boring?
Wait, chat.
Is this boring?
This is fucking boring.
We're all going to choose to pull the lever.
Is this boring chat?
We're almost done, aren't we?
Okay.
Just go.
Is this boring chat?
Just press next.
Just get done.
Okay, next, Nick.
Oh, no.
A trolley is heading towards five people.
You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track, but then your life savings will be destroyed.
What do you do?
Pull the lever.
Pull the lever, so your money over five people, okay.
Yeah, so hide it, Nick, so I can't.
Really quick, yeah, 60% of people agree with you, 40% disagree with Nick.
That's my god, that is, bro.
That's dark.
All right, oh no, Trolley's heading towards five people.
You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track and sacrificing it.
Pull the lever, pull the lever, okay.
61.
Damn, we'll do seven of these, I guess.
What's going wrong with society?
A trolley's heading towards five people.
You can pull the lever.
Hold on.
You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track, but then the original copy of the Mona Lisa will be destroyed.
What do you do, Disney?
I'm going to kill people.
I'll kill art.
Right.
Okay.
We've seen it enough, already.
Okay.
Just next.
Just next.
76% people.
A trolley is heading towards a rich man.
The rich man offers you $500,000 to pull the lever, which would divert the trolley and kill someone else.
What do you do?
Wait, wait.
I would not.
No, I would not pull nothing.
Don't be fake now, guys.
No, A rich man offers you $500 to pull.
Because the whole premise why I love this even thought experiment is because either way, whether you pull the trigger or the lever or you don't, you are still part of the murder because you still had a part in the decision.
So I'm going to choose the one that is going to least have me murder.
Like, you have to pull the lever to actually kill somebody here.
Like, you know, like, yes, you get paid more, but like, you would actually have to do the diverting.
Are you pulling the lever to murder somebody, or are you pulling the lever to save people from being murdered?
That's the question.
Well, that's what I'm trying to say.
In this scenario, it's already going towards that man.
Like, it's one life versus one life.
Neither is more important.
So I'm not going to pull that lever to divert it because now I'm officially, actually, really in it.
But you say one versus one.
It's already going towards him.
I would not pull.
I would do it.
But who wants $500,000?
I would take the $500,000.
Wait, I see your side, and I do agree.
That is how it is.
But like, and how is that any different from me consciously not pulling that lever?
I'm consciously killing him by choosing it.
Yeah, no, it's your own ethics.
It's what you could live with.
I could not live with that.
I know, but I'm regardless.
I know what you're saying.
And like, and then knowing that I went and actively pulled on it just so I could get money.
It does have an icky feeling for sure.
At least this way you just aren't doing anything.
But regardless for me, it's like you're still part of it.
I'm going to walk away still knowing that by not pulling that lever that I murdered that.
I mean, if someone's getting murdered, stop, Since there's some debate on this, I'll go around the table.
I'm going to ask each one of you, what do you do?
So pull it up really quick, Nick.
So, Kiko, in this one.
So, if you pull the lever, you get a $500,000, one person dies.
You don't pull the lever, one person dies.
You don't get $500,000.
What do you do?
Do you pull the lever or do nothing?
I pull the lever and get the money.
I grew up Catholic.
I would have a guilty conscience.
I would not pull the lever.
I wouldn't pull the lever.
I would do nothing.
I would probably pull the lever.
I would pull the lever.
I would not pull the lever.
Sorry.
I don't know if I would do anything but just pray.
Yeah.
So not pull the lever.
Yeah.
I would not pull the lever.
Okay.
So what does it?
I think it was do nothing.
I think that was.
Oh, yeah.
Sorry.
The totality was.
Okay, go ahead, Nick.
Yeah.
That's the consensus, it seems.
I'm surprised it's even that close.
Just show us.
Just show or tell us what.
Why don't you read it?
Tell us what it's what the number is.
If you pull the lever and keep the money.
52 disagree.
Okay, next.
Honestly, the other guys were going to rush and give his family money.
This one's ridiculous.
Wait, a trolley.
Wait, guys.
A trolley is heading towards five lobsters.
You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track running over a cat.
What do you do?
Lobsters are dying.
I think I'm doing the lobsters.
The crunchers are dead.
Okay.
No, do nothing.
Do nothing.
Oh, wait.
Sorry, sorry.
It's do nothing.
Do nothing.
Okay.
Next.
89% of people are sleeping.
15.
Okay, this will be the, this, oh, this one.
This will be the last one.
Oh, no.
Trolley is heading towards five people who are sleeping and won't feel pain.
You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track running over someone who's wide awake instead.
What do you do?
Pull the lever.
Yeah.
Yeah, pull the left.
Everybody, pull the lever.
Okay.
Okay, one more.
One more.
One more.
51.
That's pretty split.
Right?
That's pretty.
Okay, this is the last one.
Oh, no.
Trolley is heading towards five people who tied themselves to the track.
You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track, killing one person who accidentally tripped onto the track instead.
What do you do?
Do nothing.
Oh, they tied themselves into that.
Do not die.
I'm going to say that.
Yeah, I would do nothing.
They tied themselves to that one.
I'm sorry.
It's like a problem.
I don't know.
Do nothing?
I think do nothing.
Yeah, I would pull the lever.
Oh, wait.
Wait, hold on.
I mean, yeah, because I get it.
Oh, no, no, no, wait.
Oh, do nothing.
Okay, no, pull the lever.
Oh, pull the lever brings it.
This is a hard one.
Sorry, I misread it.
Pull the lever brings it to the top person.
Wait.
There are some people who are not going to be able to do that.
The tracks are the same.
Putting the lever makes it go to the top.
So in this, listen, so in this dilemma, what they're saying is these five people consciously did this, put themselves in the situation, whereas the other person, the single person, did not.
Oh, I'm saying that.
So in this case, would you still, even though the other people wanted to be there and the one wouldn't, would you pull the lever in order to take out the one?
No, no, no.
I saved the one.
I saved the one.
Save the one.
So that's do nothing, right?
Do nothing.
Do nothing.
By the way, chat, you guys.
It's already going straight.
I think it's do nothing.
No, it's do nothing.
It's do nothing.
I want to save.
We're saving.
Every time you pull the lever, it's the word on top.
No, it's not.
Oh, it's already pulled.
It goes straight.
Pulling the lever brings it to the top track every time.
All right.
Every half.
Yeah, do not.
Do nothing.
Yeah, that's right.
Thank you, Q.
So what is this show versus like, is this supposed to be a little bit more?
70% of people agree with you.
Okay.
Wait, what's the level?
Okay, okay.
We'll do one more.
One more, one more.
Okay.
A trolley is heading towards five people.
The lever just speeds up the trolley, which might make it less painful.
What do you do?
Speed it up.
I'd pull the lever.
Pull the lever.
Pull the lever.
Oh.
It makes it less painful.
Oh.
28 disagree, okay?
I couldn't kill the one on top.
Oh, this one's funny.
Okay, I swear this is the last one.
A trolley is heading towards one guy.
You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track, but then your Amazon package will be late.
What do you do?
Oh, my God.
Pull the lever.
Pull the lever.
Agreed.
Okay, cool.
That's an all the influencers are going to be on the left.
Only 1% disagreed with that.
Are you kidding me?
That was all the influencers.
That was all the trolls.
All right.
Okay.
Back to our regular.
No, hang on.
Hang on.
Let me ask this.
Okay, all right.
Let me ask this question because what this thought experiment is supposed to demonstrate is that you would be willing to save the many over the few.
But let me ask you the question in a different way.
The trolley is going down the track and it's going to hit five people, but there's a fat guy next to the track and you can push him and that'll stop the train.
Would you push him?
This is the first time.
What kind of fucking question is this?
Well, this is a fucking question.
You're fucking logic.
So if you'd answer it, it'd be great.
I can't even wrap my mind around it.
I'm kind of going back to what you said, Haley, right?
What you said, like when it's the act of actually doing something.
Like, yeah, I agree with you.
I could have pushed somebody else.
It's like, It's easier to like, even in that moment, I probably just freeze anyways.
I wouldn't even be strong enough to push a man in front of a train.
That's bad enough to stop a train.
I wouldn't be able to involve yourself in a murder or not.
That's like, yeah, you would still get charged for murder, actually, for doing that.
See you in jail, Andrew.
That's a county prison.
You're pushing the fat guy, not me.
You're asking me.
Well, no, I didn't say that I would.
I posed the question.
What would you do, Andrew?
Yeah.
What would you do?
I would not push him.
But I also wouldn't divert the track most of the time.
So there might be some times where there's no lives at stake.
But, you know, the problem with this is that I actually have just asked you basically the same question that the trolley cart's asking you, but you give a different answer.
And the answer is that in some circumstances, you will opt for saving the most amount of lives until what?
Until you have to physically push somebody together.
Yeah, and then go to jail for it.
This is different.
You nailed it, Andrew, actually.
You did nail that one.
That's exactly what we're saying.
We would not push the fat man because we would go to jail.
Not even going to jail because I wouldn't be able to live.
Yeah, but I mean, if there was no consequences, I wouldn't do it either way.
That's it.
Well, that's the thing.
It's a moral dilemma.
There's no, it's not a wrong or right answer.
Why are you fighting me?
The thought experiment is designed specifically to kind of gauge whether you move more towards society of consequence or not.
But most people answer it the same way that you do.
Think about abortion.
Did you agree with most of our answers, Andrew?
Yeah, well, I mean, I think they're reasonable, yeah.
Fair enough.
Good times.
Fair enough.
Right on.
Sorry, guys, my computer's bugging out.
Oh, my God.
I'm still kind of flustered.
I'm salty, bro.
I'm salty.
I'm salty.
Okay.
Let's see here.
It's just rude to you guys.
That pisses me off more.
I'm on piss too.
It's like, bro, it took a lot of convincing to be here.
Did anybody fly here?
Yes.
I paid 100%.
She said she came from Arizona.
She drove from Arizona.
You flew here?
Yeah, I was like, I'm going to go to my work days to come.
Yeah, I gave up working.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I'm so sorry.
Can you drove me?
I drove here.
I mean, it was only like a six-hour drive.
But it is gas.
Yeah, yeah, hold on.
So maybe I'm just way too focused in on this.
Just so the viewers understand, beyond just what you saw and beyond her fucking with me, so you understand the inconsideration, not just to me, but to each individual here.
Like, Kiko, I know you're local, but you drove here how?
Into the mic?
Only 45 minutes.
Yeah, but you still can't.
You still came here.
It made you uncomfortable.
You were sitting next to her.
Who knows what that stuff was?
That was crazy.
Well, you were behind the scenes.
Where are you from?
Northern Arizona.
My boyfriend and I drove 12 hours to get here.
12 hours.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
What about you?
Let's sew her.
We came together, so I all played through the streets.
So two and a half hours?
Two hours in the rain, okay?
Yeah, in the rain.
I drove, but then I also had to, you know, give up my work days, you know, so I'm also losing money, dude.
Yeah.
I took two flights from Colorado, from Denver to LAX and then LAX to Santa Barbara.
You flew in specifically to Santa Barbara.
And it's not cheap to fly into Santa Barbara.
Santa Barbara.
Guys, Santa Barbara's a regional airport.
It's private.
So three terminals.
Well, it's not like, for example, flying into LAX.
It might cost sometimes it's two times or three times.
That's like a $700.
It's $300.
Can you say how much it costs for you and your...
So my boyfriend was supposed to come with me for moral support, but he has a very busy schedule.
So it was about $980 for both of us.
Oh, okay.
So then he uses points that he didn't spend for this flight so that we could spend Christmas and New Year.
That's crazy.
I'm so sorry.
And then what about a hotel, your Uber here?
Yeah.
There's like a hotel.
But what?
Don't say sue her.
Yeah, get some damages.
Priya, what about you?
Can I actually sue her?
Because I was right next to her and that raccoon was right on me.
And that shit got on me.
The raccoon juice.
No, the powder, the powder.
Yeah.
Well, there's a hurt shit.
Let's not talk about it.
Let's not talk about the powder.
Okay.
Sorry, but I'm a healthy person.
I was like, what are you doing with that?
So the reality is, I mean, that's she's I mean, what she was doing could have potentially brought the stream down.
Maybe it still could.
I don't know.
So, I mean, that's you could argue, like, when it comes to liability, each one of you, because of her malicious and intentional, tortious.
Now, I'm going to.
I mean, you could, like, there could be some sort of claim that you guys as individuals have potentially for emotional damages.
Did you hear the judge's daughter?
Emotional damages.
No, not emotional.
Like, no, but just like, hey, you guys came here in good faith.
You spent all the, I don't know if there's any lawyers.
Wait, Andrew Wilson?
Can we call upon James Sexton, Andrew Wilson?
Can James Sexton let it?
I don't know if you're...
Emotional distress.
He's a divorce lawyer.
I'm sure he understands the law here, yeah.
He would know about a basic, if this would, if her conduct, if she would have any liability to the other panelists, because she obviously came in bad faith and intentionally, she...
she made intentional acts that potent that.
But there's safety terms.
Yeah.
And emotional distress.
I don't think that would.
You can.
Emotional distress out of the way.
That's a real thing.
No, but that would have to be.
It would have to be a lot of fun.
I think like because you have a voluntary exchange and you allow her to come on, you know, basically the only thing she actually did wrong was possibly try to damage your equipment and then not leave exactly when he told her to, but then did leave.
So ultimately, I think that I wouldn't litigate it.
I wouldn't give her any more of your headspace either.
I would completely kick all that to the side.
It's completely worthless.
And we've already got what we needed from her, which was her rage quit, and we can move on with this show.
Yeah, I was just trying to make the point that it's like, you guys are all innocent in this.
You guys came here in good faith.
She obviously had a problem with the show, but for her to like, if it was a one-on-one interview and she's just fucking us over, then whatever, I get it.
But like, it's incredibly disrespectful to you guys.
And as you guys are my guests, I kind of feel a type of way about that on your behalf because that's not fucking.
I'm upset about it for my own reasons, but like it's mean to fuck with my guests.
So and I don't like that.
So again, I apologize to you guys.
Okay, all right, all right, let's move on.
Let's move on.
Okay.
So let's get into some show notes here.
Sorry, guys.
We hit her.
We got Laura.
We did everything with a lawyer.
Okay, man.
I'm sorry, I got to cut in, but one of my guys going back.
He's been analyzing.
She donated $200.
Brian, you and Nick should have grabbed her quickly and yeeted her as out the door.
Psycho Bish came in with a raccoon and did pills live on pod.
Then she put the raccoon in Brian's face.
They saw her.
She also barked.
She barked.
So one of my guys analyzing the footage and says that she said a five-minute alarm.
What do you mean?
Yeah, she had an alarm come off to remind her to take that album.
She said a five-minute alarm so that she would get out at exactly the five-minute mark.
Wait, how do you know?
I'm not thinking that.
I don't know.
I'm just explaining that one of the people who was analyzing the footage that I took here says that, yeah, she definitely said an alarm.
So I just, I don't know, you might refine it.
I thought she had five minutes.
She forgot this is UCPD.
Here, we got Kitty Wop.
You're an S worker, correct?
I guess.
That's what you said, I think, in your notes here.
PDF Sun work.
You said that your ex sent you a sent your mom a what?
Yeah, the same ex did it to my car, sent my mom a picture of me sucking his dick.
What the exact yeah.
Oh, what a special mind.
Stop it.
Get some help.
Okay.
Let's see.
You said there's a repo guy story.
Do you want to tell us that?
The repo.
Repo guy story.
You went on two dates with this guy.
You met at his place.
Then his car got repoed.
Oh, yes, yes, yes.
That was when I was living at Austin, Texas for a year.
I didn't really know people when I lived there.
I went on POF and this dude said that he cost times Hey Brian love Andrew not necessarily the Christian What is his advice for a non-christian who agree but of differences with the approach Approach?
I'm not the guy who goes around and beats people over the head with the Bible.
If I'm in a debate and we're talking about ethics, I'll bring up my ethical foundation as being Christianity.
But honestly, I think that there are a lot of good atheists out there who try, who they don't go after Christians, in other words.
That's not really what they're after.
They tend to like that moral foundation best for society.
So I don't, you know, I have friends who are atheists.
I have friends who are Christians across the board, but I advocate that Christian morality is the finest morality and it's the best and it is part of the foundation of who I am.
But ultimately, I'm not, you'll never see me do it.
I mostly always make secular arguments unless we get into moral foundations because I don't think it's all that effective to beat people over the head with the Bible, right?
Yeah, that comment should have been more towards Chase.
I do completely agree with Andrew.
Yeah, I don't think that reciting Bible verses or spewing Bible verses in people's faces is a way to turn them to the faith.
If anything, I think it turns them off.
Absolutely.
I grew up extremely Catholic.
And obviously, I like you have that Catholic guilt growing up.
Like no matter what, you will always have that Catholic guilt.
But something that like hurt me about my church was like that they were just like spewing all this stuff, like unnecessary bullshit, I guess, like at a very young age where it was like really, really messing with our heads.
And like I really stopped and I guess removed myself from the church, even though I like still really hold on to faith, I guess, in a way.
But yeah, I remember like going to like Sunday school and like hearing like really hurtful and hateful shit, like not even directed towards me, but it was just like, how is that like even part of like a religion?
It's just so hateful.
You know?
Oh, okay.
Well, now we just got done where I say this and then and then we hear this.
But what do you think?
No, no, I wasn't like saying like, I wasn't trying to bring down the church.
I'm sorry.
I wasn't trying to be.
No, I understand.
I'm just wondering what happened, which was hateful.
They would say a lot about like LGBTQ, the community, and that obviously like went really wrong with me.
Overall, I didn't have a good experience in the church.
I loved like the aspect of like going to mass and like preaching and like having like some type of faith.
But personally, I just was never really connected with it.
And then everything that they would like preach to us, especially very, very young when we were still in high school and like figuring things out, was very off-putting to me, especially like not really like knowing myself too well, I guess.
And then they're just like spewing kind of like a lot of like hate.
Did you go through that?
Yes.
Would you say the things that you would perceive as being hateful, the things which they kind of preach as being restraints or human restraints?
Do you think that it was the restraint aspect of it that you disliked the most?
Not the restraint.
Honestly, today, Pope Francis actually, what did he do?
He condemned the LGBTQ marriage for church and the Catholic Church, which I think is a great thing.
I love that.
I love that for the Catholic Church.
But can it be condemned?
That means that he's not.
Condoned.
And I was like, I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
He condoned.
Yeah, but that's the opposite of restraint.
That's the whole point.
I know.
I'm saying that back then, my church would definitely preach a lot of like, I wouldn't say restraint.
That's not restraining towards me, but I'd say that was pretty hateful back then.
Yeah, but they're societal restraints.
That's the point.
You have no idea what was said to her, though, in the Sunday schools.
That's why I'm asking.
I know, that's why I think the disconnect is like, yeah, you're talking about restraints, but it could be also that she just had a very negative priest or the way that they were going about it wasn't exactly.
Tell me.
Yeah, and I was very disobedient at the time, I guess.
I would like skip Sunday school.
I'd like leave with my friends.
So that wasn't a great thing.
I also wasn't taking it too seriously because of these reasons, because I was like, I want to rebel against whatever they are telling me.
And I would get in trouble.
The father would tell my mom and he would call my mom and he'd tell him I wasn't there and that I left.
So that wasn't funny.
Sounds like you were rebelling against.
Yes, I was.
I was at that time.
But like, the thing is, I was almost like very forced into the religion because I grew up Catholic.
But I have not.
One thing I've noticed, just to kind of like this exchange back and forth, that most of the time when people say that the church or a church is doing something which is hateful, they're usually pointing out a restraint on behavior that they don't like.
It's not that they're hateful towards anybody or they're doing anything which is hateful, but rather they're issuing a set of restraints that, and people don't want to adhere to what those restraints are.
So they tend to term it as being hateful behavior.
But it is hateful because it's you're what restraints are you referring to?
Yeah.
I was raised Catholic.
They would tell us at church, like, if you, if a man sleeps with a man, like, you're going to hell.
Like, that was.
So that would be restraint behavior saying, don't do that.
That's hateful because they'd say gay people.
That's not hateful.
No, they'd say gay people were bad.
They'd say gay people.
If you thought somebody, if you honestly thought this, if you honestly thought somebody would go to hell for doing that act, wouldn't the least hateful thing in the world be to stop them from doing the act?
Bro.
I don't think it's a responsibility.
People are going to be able to do it.
Listen closely to the question.
I am listening.
You thought you honestly thought a person would go to hell for eternity, fire and brimstone for eternity for doing an act, then wouldn't the least hateful thing be to tell them not to do the act or attempt to do it?
I'm sorry, but no.
Looking from a different perspective, I kind of like that.
Be no, because I knew from a young age, I knew from a young age.
I knew from a young age that that wasn't okay for the church to say you're going to hell and you're going to burn forever because you like a man.
I think it's a good idea.
I'm not asking whether you believe it or not.
I'm asking if a person did believe it, if they honestly felt in their core being that hell was real and that people were going to go to that place, this horrible, horrific place for eternity if they didn't act, then wouldn't the least hateful thing for that person to do be to try to stop people from engaging in that act?
I'm sorry, I've already answered your question.
No, I can answer it.
You literally didn't answer the question.
I can answer it then.
Sophie, will answer it.
If you have proof of that and you want to affect people's lives based off of that proof, then sure.
But there isn't any.
So you can't dictate other people's lives based on that.
What are you talking about?
No, listen to the question.
How would you feel?
Okay, here, let me ask a different question.
It's not your question.
How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?
I usually don't eat breakfast this morning.
I don't care.
Okay, and that's why we can't do the hypothetical.
Okay, I can do the hypothetical with you.
If I honestly thought you were a bad person.
I literally just asked you one.
It's a very basic question about breakfast, and you couldn't engage in the hypothetical.
Okay, if you don't want my answer, that's fine.
I don't know.
Well, are you actually going to answer the question?
So here's the actual question.
I would like to do allowing you to the person believes it.
They actually believe it.
Whether you believe it or not, it's totally irrelevant.
Yes, but that person believes it.
So if that person believes it, and that person, wouldn't the least hateful thing for them to do would be to stop you from doing the activity they thought would lead to that heinous thing?
No, because then you're controlling free will.
Yeah, controlling free will.
Why would somebody ever do that?
If you stopped a murderer, you're controlling free will.
It's not responsible for everyone with sleeping with somebody else.
That's what I'm saying.
No, it's the same thing.
You're literally trying to stop a behavior that you think is damaging to a person.
Wouldn't the least hateful thing be, if you honestly believe that that was true, that a person would go to hell for all of existence, would you try your hardest to stop them from doing that behavior?
I did believe that.
Yes, and I see what the faith that they're coming from is from a good standpoint, is they're trying to help them because they think that, yes, if they do this action, that they're going to spend the eternity in hell, whatever.
So I do see how Christians are trying to help that action and trying to help these people.
But I think my issue more stands from, because I'm coming back into my faith.
I was raised Catholic.
I'm branching back into Christianity to see exactly where I fall in.
I think the bigger issue is the hypocrisy.
So it's like if you're going to focus on the LGBTQ community for doing those actions, just also make sure you focus on everything else in the Bible that the Bible condemns.
Make sure that you're also focusing on all of those people too, and not just the LGBT community, because that's not the only thing that the Bible says for us not to do, right?
So like just make sure you give the same energy to everybody.
Yeah, okay, but to engage with this, maybe you can help me out here, Kiku.
If the person believes this is what they believe, and they're trying to stop or restrain a behavior because they think it'll lead to this horrific outcome, and they actually care about you, don't you think that that person, the least hateful thing that they could do would be to try to stop that behavior?
All right, this is your final thought.
I said yes.
Listen, I'm going to move on.
I said yes, but just keep the same energy.
I just want to make sure.
Keep the same energy, is all I'm saying.
Is with everything.
That's what I. All right, let me read.
I'm going to get caught up on a couple chats here, guys.
We have Alvin Sam.
Ladies, let's spice it up.
Do you prefer a, oh my god, do you prefer a bushy peen, trimmed, bald?
What are your thoughts about each?
I mean, I would not.
Let's start with.
I'm just trying to get the other side going first because I feel like we can.
Okay, here, we can start with Priya.
We can start with Priya and go.
Well, she's come.
That girl's come back.
Let's start with you.
Okay, I don't care.
Maybe trimmed, I guess.
Trimmed.
Not bald, but trimmed.
Whatever my man's doing, whatever he has going on.
I don't trust a man who goes full bald.
Why?
Like a razor?
I don't have an answer to that question.
Trimmed.
Yeah, hygienic, just clean, trimmed up.
Priya?
I'm not going to answer that question.
That's a weird question.
Do you have a preference?
Or down there?
Do you prefer when it comes to the grooming for a guy?
Do you prefer it?
Bald, bushy, trimmed.
I think people should do what they're doing.
What do you prefer?
What do you prefer?
That they do what they're comfortable with.
Oh, my God.
Okay, that's fine.
That's fine.
All right, we have.
Then that's the answer.
I don't know.
Jay Eken, hey, Brian, hope you got your package.
Wishing you all a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Love y'all.
Hey, Jay, thank you very much, man.
Appreciate it.
Alvin, thank you very much for your chat before.
Appreciate it.
And then we have Jordan Royale.
It's coming up here in just a sec.
Move on and allow Kitty Webb.
Is it going to come?
Hello?
There we go.
Move on, allow Kitty Webb to tell her story before I donate a thousand and force you to continue bleeding open the champagne bottle, Brian.
It's good now.
But did you want to continue with your story?
It was about how his car got repoed, correct?
Yes.
Take it back.
So pretty much, I was supposed to go on a date with this dude, and he showed up to my apartment.
And he came inside for a little bit because we arranged a date.
This is when I was younger.
We arranged a date for us to just chill and play like N64 video games.
And he came inside for a little bit.
And I want to say about 20 minutes later, we went back out and his car was gone.
And he was flipping out and everything.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
I don't remember if in the thing that I filled out, though, did I say something about Chipotle?
Maybe.
Maybe.
Go ahead and just tell the story.
Let me see if you.
Sorry, hold on.
Speaking of which, I love the steak bowl.
Oh, wait, what?
Oh, from Chipotle?
I can't eat Chipotle.
It makes me sad.
Yeah, you said he took me, he took you to Chipotle, but he made you pay.
Yeah, yeah.
He originally arranged a second date and was like, oh, I'm going to take you to some expensive taco place.
Yeah, and you said you said a ritzy taco place and we show up to Chipotle and I had to pay for myself.
What is that?
Based.
And then I went off.
I was like, I'm never going to chill with you again, no matter you're like hot as fuck, tatted, whatever.
And then he rearranged it, and we did go on a third date, which he did pay, and we went to like a bougie taco place.
But don't promise me, no bougie taco.
Did you continue dating him after the third date or no?
No.
Yeah, you said that you noticed he had severe anger issues, which was a red flag.
He started yelling at you on the first date when the car was repossessed.
Yep.
Did you hook up with him?
I was younger, yes.
So to be clear, to be clear.
But I cut it off quick.
So he had severe anger issues.
First date, he started yelling at you.
Did you hook up with him after he yelled at you, or was this before?
I think this was the hooked up with him on the second date, not the first date?
I think it was.
It was the first date.
Maybe it was.
We just made out.
That was it.
Oh, so I wouldn't count on it.
No, we didn't have sex.
Oh, okay.
So after he got done yelling at you and you noticed his severe anger issues, you were like, oh, this is a good guy to make?
No, it was awkward because he had to call his friend to like lend him money to take him to go get his car out.
So it was kind of awkward.
And then after going with him to get his car out of the impound, he was like, so do you still want to hang out?
And it was kind of like a situation where I kind of like felt bad and like I really didn't want to, but I kind of was like, I'm here already.
So did the actual hookup happen on date number two when he didn't pay?
No.
No?
No.
I was just, I was getting to know him.
I didn't sleep with him.
Oh.
Wait, so how old were you when you dated him?
Well, it was just like dates.
I didn't date him.
No, but how old were you?
I was 25.
25.
Yeah.
And I just moved to Austin.
And the most weirdest part about all this was when I first came to Cali when I was 21, I used to hang out with these two twin brothers, which I was friends with.
Ironically, I asked this kid now when I was living in Texas for a year, what made you move out here?
He was like, oh, I had these two twin brothers.
The twin brothers that he knew, I chilled with them when I was 21 out here.
And when I was in that crib that day, they actually kicked that guy out from living at his place.
Yet now, fast forwarded to Texas, I run into this dude.
It was like a weird situation.
Well, it's interesting.
So, okay, like you made out with him after he yelled at you, and then you hung out with him the second time.
No, so I didn't make out with him after he yelled at me.
We had to go, he had to get a ride.
Well, you made out with him later on that night.
Yeah.
So it wasn't like he yelled at you, then you made out with him.
No, he was yelling at me in my apartment complex like anyone would because his car got taken away, but it's not my problem.
You didn't read the signs.
Okay, but then on the second toad.
But then on the second date, you hooked up with him.
I made out with him.
Again, on the second date?
I think I bitched, and then he said he was going to make it up to me.
On the third date.
Okay.
Did you end up hooking up with him?
No, I didn't.
Oh, okay.
No.
It's just interesting because it's like women often complain about toxic men, yet despite him displaying very concerning behaviors, perhaps even abusive behavior, you made out with him.
You went on subsequent dates with him.
You rewarded essentially and reinforced his behavior.
Same time I was younger then, and then the third date, I knew I wasn't going to see him anymore.
And the red flag was when he paid for this expensive taco meal, and I like got a whole bunch of drinks the third date to make up for what happened the second one.
I was like, oh, yeah, I might be moving.
And he's like, oh, you're moving?
Then why am I paying for your date then?
I told you I want a girlfriend.
And I was like, oh, I think in the future, like to get out of it.
And then after that, I was like, I'm not seeing this kid again.
You also said that you had a strictly platonic relationship.
This is a different guy where you had a guy who was your slave.
He liked to be kicked in the groin.
He was the dog.
And I would walk him on a leash.
He had a dog collar that stated, Property of Kitty.
I wish I brought it with me.
If Lost Return.
Oh, you still have it?
Yeah.
He gave it back to me when I moved out here.
He was my slave.
Okay.
Was this also like a FinDom thing?
Were you FinDoming him?
It wasn't.
Like he'd pay you money and shit.
He would buy me things and stuff like that.
So slaves do stuff that you want them to do.
So it's like, hey, I need my apartment clean.
Come clean my apartment.
Hey, I need my car washed.
Go drive and like wash my car.
But his whole fetish was slave and then CBT.
Okay.
Do you know what CBT is?
I feel like I've heard this before.
CBT.
I don't.
What is it?
Cock and ball torture.
Yikes.
I'll never.
I don't know about that one.
And another thing that is, as much as people are like, oh, BDSM work is weird and all this stuff.
To me, this is just my personal opinion.
I could never sell myself sexually.
That's just me.
I've went through too many traumatic things where I wouldn't be able to do that because I don't think I'd ever be able to date anyone, to be honest.
But when it comes to BDSM work, one, you're pretty much finding out what they're into, really finding out what they want.
But a lot of people that practice BDSM usually are a lot more stable mentally, believe it or not.
There's been studies on it.
Wait, what?
Look it up.
My phone's died, but people that, because I know a lot of people are like, oh, that's sick, that's weird.
They understand your wants and needs.
Yeah, so they can't get domed by the sky.
So people.
People who are.
Do you think a well-adjusted man wants his balls and cock tortured?
No, no, no.
Some people, not everyone, not everyone.
Not everyone, but there is a good amount.
There is a good amount.
If you have kinks, as long as you're healthily doing your kinks, there's nothing really wrong with that.
Because I've done DDSS.
Yeah, but that's my question, though.
It's like, what's the threshold breaker?
It's super weird to me to think that if you're a woman and somebody asks you to do this to them on purpose, you don't think that that's like a sign that maybe they're a sicko or they're not.
There's been studies on it that people that practice BDM are usually in better health because you have to think about it.
A lot of people that hate those things usually are the ones that end up going like psycho or crazy or they're into it, but they're like in the closet about it.
You can look at you guys.
I don't even really understand this.
So you're saying they're better mentally adjusted because they engage in those activities?
Yes.
Yes.
Than the ones who have the ones who have those urges and don't engage in them is what you're saying.
She's not saying that these men are better than men who have no kinks at all in anything.
Yeah, that's what they don't do anything at all.
That's not what she's saying.
She's saying that men who have these kinks and at least act in them in healthy ways are better off than the men who have these kinks and just not frustrate.
Yeah, okay, I got it.
And I will tell you, I will make one other statement.
I will make one other thing.
As far as BDSM goes, it is strictly work related.
As far as my relationships, they're not.
And honestly, I don't think I could date someone that would want, like, I don't want to Dom a man, to be honest.
I don't know if you can.
You would agree with me that most men don't want that kind of treatment, right?
You would agree that these are outliers, right?
I did meet this one guy out here that you would think doesn't have that fetish that looks completely normal.
He wanted me to spit in his mouth, slap him in the face, and he gets on to that.
And he's fine as hell.
But I could never agree that someone's asked that was completely.
Wait, say that again?
You would agree they're not the norm, right?
I don't know.
That's not a normal thing that men would want.
Definitely not.
It really depends because no one's normal in the world we live in right now.
Yeah.
No, there's still some.
I feel like that's kind of a dodge.
I'm just saying, do you think generally speaking?
Do you think, generally speaking, that men likely don't want to have women like dominate, beat them up and shit?
Like they probably don't want that.
Wait, let me add something.
That's like a genre of men.
There's multiple genres of men.
You know, you can, there's all on a spectrum.
And there's outliers versus most men are into this or most men aren't into this.
I would need to see a study online to see numbers, to be honest.
There is a study.
I know the mental part, like that I know.
Are you into this, really?
Do you be surprised?
I don't think most men are into it, but I think more men are into it than you are aware of.
There's guys like you on this BDSM app that look completely normal and you wouldn't think they're into that.
Just like there's Hasidic Jews that are even into that.
And you wouldn't expect that.
Well, I mean, I don't know if that would surprise me or not, but asking this specifically, let's assume that you have like the 100% of the population, the whole cake.
If you had to give a percentage of how many men you thought were into this, what percentage would you give it?
Just as kind of a guess, maybe 45%.
I would say 20.
That's actually.
Yeah, yeah.
There's no way.
It'd be surprising, to be honest.
Maybe it's because we're from New York.
I mean, LA, and that percentage is a little bit more.
I mean, like in New York, it's bigger.
There's an actual legitimate dungeon that you could work at that anyone can go.
It's way different than LA.
New York, it's very open about it.
I don't deny that there's like, you know, like a good number of men out there that like it, but I wouldn't say it would be that high.
Like, to be honest.
I think there's a lot of fun.
Yeah, no, I mean, I deny it.
I don't think that it could be anywhere even close to four.
I doubt it would be even three percent.
Yeah, I don't even think it's a good thing.
I wouldn't say three for double digits.
And BDSM work isn't only just beating up men.
There's more than that.
There's way more fetishes.
There's a lot more.
True that.
There's dudes that are into ODK, which is over the knee, and dudes want to be spanked in the butt and told they're being punished.
Then there's also dudes that are into what's the name of it?
Sounding.
Sounding is like a book that you open up with different size chopsticks.
Yeah, I know.
And you stick it in the guy's free throw.
Yeah.
Wait, do that again.
Do that again.
She's like, he's like, earmuffs.
I mean, you must agree that the majority of men don't want anything to do with shit like that.
A lot of guys now today, like choking women in bed, they might not want to be dominated, but they might want to hum a girl.
I want to go right back.
Wouldn't that be the opposite?
If a dude's like, no, that's still BDSM.
It wouldn't be the opposite, right?
Hold on.
I want to go in.
So you mentioned choking.
I'm curious here because I feel like choking has entered like vanilla territory for me.
Yeah, yeah.
I agree with that.
I agree with that.
Like all of a sudden, I'll know what happened in like 2013.
Every chick just started wanting to get choked.
I don't know what happened.
It was like something in the water, something.
I don't know.
Every girl's like, oh, choke me.
I'm like, oh, not trying to catch a kid.
So going around the table, if you got it.
Are you into that?
Starting with Kiko.
What?
That's fine.
No comment.
I'm open about my weird communal sex.
Whoa, what the fuck?
Yeah, we've talked about that.
We've talked about your communal sex toys.
Hold on.
Whoa.
I'm sorry.
What?
What?
Come on.
Okay.
Oh, I know what you're talking about.
No, you're not talking about that.
No, I'm not talking about that.
i'm not talking about oh you're talking like i'm talking about how you reuse vibrators Sex toys?
Oh, he does.
And he just washes them with soap.
Yes, you can reuse sex toys.
I can't wash it.
Are you telling these girls?
I'm sorry.
There's no way cleaner.
I would.
Brian is the Korean girl from LeBo Video.
She definitely looks like she gives great both.
Be a great time for the panel to comment on submitting in a relationship.
Wait, quick, and then we'll go back to my question.
So, are you guys, would you guys be down?
Are you submissive to your boyfriend?
Yes.
If you have one?
You're starting with Kiko going around the table.
Am I submissive to my boyfriend?
Submissive to your boyfriend.
Like, if he's like, I need to see you bow, would you?
You love the bow.
Should we do the do we want to do the bow video?
Should we pull up the bow video?
Give me a heads up.
Well, let's just see the bow.
I do have a video.
I just want to see the bow really quick.
We'll see the bow.
Pull up the bow.
I would love to comment on that.
Okay.
All right.
Like, for example, do you follow his lead?
Yes.
I do follow my boyfriend's lead.
Okay.
All right.
The bow pit.
Yes, we're going to do the bow.
We're just going to watch the first part of it.
So, guys, here's the bow.
Check out the bow.
This is.
Boom.
Beautiful.
Wait, one more.
Play it again.
Rewind.
Rewind.
Play it again.
Play it again.
Boom.
One more time.
Boom.
Oh, my God.
Huge.
In the New York field, let's say that's the first thing.
I think I'm going to go to the next one.
That's what I wanted to bring up.
If I will curtsy, I will dip, but that strategic one, that's a cultural thing, and I just feel like it's kind of like that specific.
Are you saying that would be cultural appropriation?
No.
No, I'm just saying, like, I would be so down to bow to my man, but in a specific, in that specific way, I feel like.
You gotta speak into the microphone, please.
Would you bow, Kiko?
No.
This is so random.
Why would I bow?
What if he's like, it's my thing?
I'd say, no.
Okay, all right.
I'll take my dude's boots off every time he comes home.
That's the point.
Fuck no.
Wait, what?
Yes.
I think Eastern and Western culture is different.
Like, if my boyfriend wanted me to, that's fine.
But it's not.
We live in a Western country, so it would be culturally weird.
But if we were living in Korea, then it actually would be like culturally appropriate to bow to people that are either older than you or maybe higher in ranks in their work or education.
Sure.
If we lived in Korea, maybe.
But we live in America and the culture here is not bowing to each other.
We usually shake hands here.
So maybe I will greet him with a shaking hand.
Not even a kid.
Yeah.
I will happily submit to my partner in every appropriate way, but I will not be bowing.
No bow.
No bow.
I don't know.
It's crazy to me because, like, you got, like, a girl will let a guy on a first date, like, you'll fuck a dude on the first date.
You might even.
I'm going to be a little vulgar here.
You might let him.
What's the most delightful way to.
You might let a dude blast on your face, but you won't bow for him?
Okay, well, I never said that that would be happening.
I'm not saying it's you, but like, a girl would sooner let a man, you know, on the face than do a little bow.
You know what I mean?
I object to any women doing that in the first place.
The bow or the women are into it.
No, no, no.
One time I had a girl ask me to do it.
I was like, I'd rather not.
On her face.
Huh?
On her face?
Yeah, she wanted it.
Oh, wow.
That's a good thing.
That's a porn star thing.
No, she wanted it.
I was like, she watches too much porn.
Maybe one day, but I was like, eh, not tonight.
So, wait, going around the.
Are you guys into anyone, any of you into being choked?
Yeah.
Here, who just, yes, okay.
She's proud of it.
She's.
Who said they were proud of it?
Oh, I'm not.
Right here, look.
Here, starting with Kiko.
Are you.
I gotta keep it.
No comment about this.
I don't know.
I don't know how to answer.
It's okay.
I don't want to answer him.
I'll answer it.
I'm not into getting choked.
Please don't choke me.
Watch out.
That was easy, right?
But maybe it's the case.
No, I don't want to like pass that.
Yeah, but there's different levels of choking when you're being fucked.
There's like, not like, I can't fucking breathe.
Like, no, get the fuck off of me.
I think that's very dangerous.
It is.
Some people do it wrong and then it collapses certain areas.
Yeah, you're not supposed to push the trachea.
Oh, we got Butler donated $200.
Bangs you can't value risk one of your herpes saws popping open and splatting all over the floor.
He said every lazily voice is a common side effect of the great plague.
You should seek a specialist hashtag helpies.
Who is he talking about?
Hashtag.
Well, there's no problem.
Yeah, we're not gonna know.
That is on mission.
Thanks, Jabella.
Or he's just looking for a reaction from you.
I feel like we didn't really get into what submission means, though.
Oh, yeah, we can.
I'd like to actually know what that means.
Wait, what is submitting?
Yeah, just going around the table like you'd like to be.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know why, but the idea of, oh, God, I'm not going to go off.
You like to be.
It's like if I was going to die in that moment, I'm going to die getting dick down for the best dick ever.
It's just like, I don't know.
And then, I mean, there's one time.
Oh, can I be like descriptive, but not too descriptive?
I don't want to.
Oh, I'm not going to share that.
No.
Just slightly share it.
Okay, okay.
Well, one of the times where me and my guy were doing it, he just grabbed me.
Like, we were like, he's behind me.
And he grabs me by the throat.
He's like, sometimes I want to fucking kill you.
And it was so hot.
I loved it.
I loved it.
I'm not going to lie.
I loved it.
I did that too.
Yeah.
I am not going to lie.
I will be running.
No, no, no, because I just, no, I know myself.
She's the one who's addressing her.
I know myself.
Here, really quick, I'll just address the freaking.
We're not going to pull it up, but first off, I've never even, I don't think I've ever even talked about being stoic or holding frame on this channel.
You got me confused with somebody else.
Those are not words that I think have ever left my mouth.
But, I mean, I do think being stoic is good, but like put anybody else in that position, they're going to be like super flustered and be like, the fuck is this some weird psycho shit?
So how do you deal with a fucking raccoon fake, whatever that shit was.
So, okay.
Let me pull this one up.
We have Showtime Sim.
You can't blame me, her.
It's not her fault.
She was a 25-year-old child.
I'm assuming this is the.
No, he's talking about Kitty.
Kitty story.
Oh, I see.
Okay.
Okay.
Got it.
Hey, thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
And then let me just see if we have here.
Hold on one sec, guys.
I'm going to pull up Nickelodeon.
Brian, don't apologize for others' misdeeds.
You're great.
Sorry, I'm a little behind.
Am I on enhancements too, though?
I turn off Lord of the Ring and watch your stream, but I still see goblins.
JK, buy some pizza for the girls.
Yeah, actually, maybe we'll get some pizza delivery after the show for everybody.
Yeah, we'll get some food for everybody.
Thanks, Nickelodeon.
Can somebody.
I've never been fed by this show, ever.
Yeah, shortly before the ends, can you guys just remind me we'll get some food going on?
I can do that.
Okay, cool.
Nickelodeon.
All right.
Let's see here.
I think we're caught up on the chats.
So, Grid's chat was for the panel comment on submitting in a relationship.
And Andrew, you wanted them to define.
Well, there's been a trend that I've noticed every time I've been on whatever that the women say that they are willing to be in a submissive relationship, but then when we figure out what that means, it doesn't actually mean submission at all.
So now maybe I'm wrong, right?
Maybe the trend will be bucked here, but I'm just wondering, if we were to go around and ask what submission means, I'd kind of like to know what that means to you.
To me, submission means going to my husband or what the title is, would be my boyfriend right now first for decisions, going to him for guidance and what it comes down to.
I still like us having a conversation about things, but he makes the ultimate decisions.
And what if he doesn't want to have a conversation, though?
It depends.
I think it depends on what it's about.
So if it's something financial that I've never touched or dealt with before, then yeah, I might not need to know about it.
But if it's a significant decision about our children, per se, and if I'm a stay-at-home mom, I would like to have a decision what my children are doing because I'm around them more than he is.
So I feel like I should have a say before a decision is ultimately made.
Would he have ultimate authority though on what decision is made, even if you disagree when it comes to the children?
Honestly, probably, because I usually don't care that much when it comes to about anything.
And what about finances?
Yeah, unless he's showing an issue of being not able to handle his own finances, which means I probably wouldn't be with a man like that to begin with.
I hope to be with somebody where I don't really have to worry about that stuff.
Well, let's assume for a second that you're with a man who shows that he's very responsible with finances, but then he starts making expenditures on things that you don't like and that you don't think are very pertinent to the household for whatever reason.
Maybe it's a new video game console or something, something that you think is ridiculous, but he likes for whatever reason.
And you don't like how he's spending the money.
What would you do then?
Would you still allow him to lead even if he's spending money on things which you consider to be frivolous?
That's a great question.
I think at that moment, probably my first reaction to be like the example you gave, say if he went and bought an expensive gaming device that I didn't think was necessary, I would ask him to spend the same amount on something that I wanted, maybe a purse or something.
And if he said no, what if he didn't have it?
He didn't have what the money to be spending.
He had the money to spend on the gaming device, but he didn't have any money to buy you anything.
He just took the money which was saved and he bought the gaming device.
Why does it have to be tit for cash?
Then we would definitely be having a, I would not be okay with that.
At that point, I don't want to ever say like, oh, divorce, but I would definitely be like, we need to have conversations about this because you're going to run our family into bankruptcy.
And that's, it's not even about me at that point.
It's about my family.
You're not going to ruin my child's futures because you want to be selfish on a gaming device.
That means we need to take a step back and refocus our lives and see what's really important because you're getting too materialistic at that point.
Well, what if in this particular case he buys the gaming device because that's the money that you guys had saved for whatever frivolous spending, but there was none left over for you.
He just spent it on himself and you didn't feel like that was fair because you do more work than he does.
And then it's my turn next time.
Yeah, and I think if you're submitting to someone to be the leader of the household, that means that you can evaluate their intelligence and their ability to apply that intelligence to specific situations and whatever problems may fall in the family.
You're choosing to submit to that person, whether it's men or a woman, whoever in the relationship, because you know that they are capable of solving problems and not just solving problems, but also prioritizing the family unit before themselves and their selfishness.
Yeah, yes.
Well, that sounds nice, but there's a problem with that too.
What though?
Which is that your clients are in marriage is not rough matches, which can last years.
They can last not months or weeks, but years, rough patches.
So they could start with all of those qualities.
But then suddenly they have kind of abrupt shifts and they stop doing those things that made you submit to them initially because you chose to because you thought they were doing something for you.
So you're submitting because you think it's beneficial to you to submit.
That's why you're doing it.
But when it stops becoming beneficial to submit, is that when the threshold breaker is and you say, hey, look.
I'm not going to submit to you anymore.
I mean, yeah, if being completely submissive means it's going to drive my family to bankruptcy.
Obviously, no, I'm not going to just watch that happen.
I want to give them the chance to take on that responsibility, own it.
And I'm not saying just one hiccup, it's all over.
But like, it could be the same thing as if my man's the sole income and he gets injured or can't get work or can't go on disability, I might have to step up and go to work and do those things while he can recover.
It's not going to, it doesn't change our whole dynamic.
It's just we are a unit together and sometimes we might have to step up and help each other because we can't fulfill our own duties at that time.
That's what makes it.
Well, that you're not a unit together.
You're submissive and he's the head, right?
Well, you can submit and still have a sense of logic.
You can still submit and be like, oh, okay, this man is spending all of our money on video games.
I don't think that's logical.
You can still submit and have the logical reasoning of a person that's responsible for other people's lives, such as children.
Yeah, how is that submission?
Andrew, so are you saying then stepping up to the household when it is needed is not submissive?
I mean, I didn't say anything.
I'm going to have a series of questions to try to figure out which your guys' kind of standard for what submission is and who is the head of the household and who is not, based not on whether or not you make them the head of the household when it's convenient for you to do so versus when it's convenient for you not to do so.
That's what the questions are designed to figure out.
So conveniency.
That is your main question.
So you're only submitting because you think it's good for you.
You're not submitting for some other reason than because you think that's good for you.
What is the other reason to you?
What is the other reason to you, if I don't mind asking?
Well, submission generally would have a religious connotation around it.
You would believe that your husband is the head of the family and that you're part of the body.
So how it would work inside the church, they would say that the representation of the leadership of the church is Jesus Christ and you as the head of the family represent the Christ head and the woman represents the body of the church.
So in this case, the head of the household, just like the head of the church is Jesus Christ.
So the man is the head of the household.
So the submission there would come from a leaning in faith in God that you chose correctly.
Even if you have rough patches, you still stay submitted.
In this particular case, it always seems to me like it's just convenience base.
Would you say that the man would, I mean, the woman would have to like, I'm just going to say this, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but like worship the man almost?
Would you say that?
Like, are you saying that?
No?
No.
Okay, then I'm saying.
What would you do if your man decided to start blowing all his money in your marriage?
How would you go about that?
I mean, especially if we have kids involved, that's going to be the number one priority.
I would like to say that I do believe that who I'm choosing to marry also, I do align with the Christianity, so I do see that.
But yeah, if it's going to literally take away from my children, but like I would hope that I would never choose somebody that like because I'm I when I go into that relationship, I'm going to be already trying to pick somebody who I want you know on my team, but as my captain, you know what I mean?
I'm going to move the conversation on just a little bit here.
I just because I got to redirect a little bit, but I want to bring it to Lala over here.
You said that you consider yourself more conservative.
Yes.
But you I forgot which one of you said you're a professional attention hoard?
I'm a contradiction.
So you consider yourself more conservative, but you do camming.
I assume that's nude, correct?
Primarily not.
I'm wearing a pencil.
I don't get naked.
There's no public chat.
And I usually get a nice name.
Repeat that?
I don't get naked in my live stream.
I thought you said you're public.
Yeah, there's public chat.
There's also private chats, but I don't do a lot of those.
I don't do them.
But you do do private.
They'll pay.
So the viewers, they can pay to bring a private.
Very few and far between.
I really have to be conservative.
You do get nude.
Yes.
Okay.
Yes.
Well, you said you consider yourself more of a conservative.
You aren't conserving.
You're titties.
That's for sure.
The titties are not conserved.
If the titties are out, they're not conserved.
No, I'm just saying.
Well, what does conservatism mean to you?
I was just going to ask that.
It was more of like a political thing.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I suppose.
They just like vote Republican means conservative to you.
No, I've just been called that by so many people when they're like, well, you voted for Trump.
Oh.
Yeah.
Okay.
I guess her politics are conservative.
Perhaps your social leanings are more conservative.
I don't think sex work is good.
You literally hold it.
I know, I know.
You do sex work.
I know that.
She can do it and not think it's a good thing.
I don't think it's good for women.
I don't think it's good for...
I suppose that's fair.
Yeah.
How do you think?
I don't think I'm going to have kids so I don't have to embarrass them.
Yeah, but do you think that it's common for people to practice and engage in things which they think are bad if other options are available to them?
I don't have that many options available to me with my situation, but I'm not going to, like, use that as an excuse.
It's just, yeah.
What, what, hey.
Hang on.
How could that possibly be true that no other option is available?
I have no vehicle.
I live 50 miles away from the nearest city.
There's no jobs where I live.
I used to have one.
What does seem like easy conditions to remedy?
Um...
It's not that simple.
It sounds simple.
It sounds like you would move to where the work is and you would move away from the conditions that you're in.
I'm guessing that if you're stripping or taking your clothes off for money, that you make enough money where you can probably move towards a place where you no longer have to do that.
I spend the majority of my time in my public stream just talking to people, talking to guys, and just hanging out with them.
Wearing clothing.
Sometimes I'm painting while I'm doing that.
I don't, I could be streaming on.
Except when you're not, right?
Well, no, it's really, like for the last year and a half, it's just been like non-nude stuff.
Not a single piece of nudity?
No, I've never said that.
No.
I have stuff that's been in the past, and I kind of wanted to retain my self-respect, I guess, within my own, my minimum level of self-respect, I guess.
So can I ask you a question?
Absolutely.
So you identify yourself as conservative politically.
What does being conservative mean to you?
Like, how do you define that?
I think the American family is dying.
I really think that we need both parents in a household.
Nick, we can do a split with this one.
Oh, I think we need both parents in a household.
Men are becoming weaker, and women are.
I don't like feminism.
I think it's absolutely destroying everything.
I think it's like a slippery slope to communism.
And anglish outlaw sex work.
Yeah, I was going to say.
Well, if I, I mean, honestly, I don't necessarily think my choices in life have been great, but I've kind of accepted the consequences that come with that.
Like, I might not, I'm probably not going to get married.
I'm probably not going to have kids.
But that's what I was dealt in life by myself.
I did those choices because, like, my dad's a cop, okay?
So I had to rebel super hard as a kid because I felt like I needed to since I was trying to test him.
So.
Because he was a cop?
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, but would you support outlawing sex work?
No.
No.
Why not?
Well, okay, this is a joke.
Frank Zappa said it.
Sex work should be made legal and keep it near the politicians because they need it most, I guess.
No one needs sex work.
It's a joke.
Frank Zappa is a, never mind.
Yeah, I know who Frank Zappa is, but that aside, the question remains, if you have even conservative politics, why wouldn't you want to outlaw sex work?
Is it just simply because you, of course, make gains in your life by doing sex work?
Wait, say that again?
Is the reason you don't want it outlawed is because you do it?
I don't want it to be open.
I honestly don't think sex work's that great.
I think it, I don't.
I said I'm contradictory about it.
I don't think it's.
Why not stop?
Because money.
And I'm not doing like the things that I do lately are just what I've said.
I paint.
I'm wearing clothing.
I'm just hot hanging out.
I've been told that I should stream on YouTube, but I would get banned for what I'm talking about a lot of the time.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, let me move it on a little bit.
Oh, I got one more thing to say, actually.
I honestly have a problem with all these girls who have gone onto platforms like Twitch, and they're doing this adjacent to the camera.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so I, you know, it's like, take it the hard way.
Go on a cam site if you're going to try to do stuff like that, because it's not okay to have stuff where kids can see it.
What are you talking about?
No, she has a good point.
She has a great point.
No, she doesn't have a good point.
It's a terrible point.
No, she does.
How dare they go on to Twitch TV and not do the full Monty?
No, no, no, no.
That's not what she's saying.
She's saying that she's saying that she, at least she's going on those cam sites that are advertising as that.
Whereas we have women who go on Twitch and other streaming platforms that our kids are on and will do like half-ass sex work type streams to try to get away with it.
That's what she's saying.
That's wrong.
That's what her point is.
Yeah, so go full sex worker.
No, if that's not what I'm saying.
That's not what anyone says.
They don't have to.
Actually, her exact words are being dense online.
You should go the hard way and get a cam site instead of doing that.
Those are exact words.
They're on the same.
She's saying keep it away from the kids.
She's saying nude models on cam sites.
There's a category for that.
But they're not nude.
Why would you be exactly her saying that these people shouldn't be doing this around kids?
I don't know.
You're not even listening to what I'm saying.
I'm saying that what she said, her exact words were.
If you're going to go on Twitch and wear skimpy outfits, you should just go the whole nine yards and no one said she did that.
We're telling you one thing.
It's my point.
It's my point.
Hold on.
We're telling you one thing.
If they want to do that at all, they don't have to take off more clothes.
Just go onto a platform that's designed not to be for adults only.
I don't think it's okay to have anything.
Point made.
So you, but one follow-up question on this, then I know you have a story to tell.
You said that you taught, I mean, you talked quite a bit in your pre-show notes about you're conservative.
Do you consider yourself traditional?
No, I can't.
Okay, you're not traditional, but you're, okay, I see.
I see the distinction.
You say sex work is bad.
I mean, it's like, but so sex worker is bad.
Maybe you've already kind of gone over this, but how do you reconcile that stance with the work you do?
Because, I mean, I looked at your Twitter.
It's kind of degenerate.
There's a photo of you with a penis bong in your mouth on your Twitter.
My eyes are permanently scarred.
Just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
Like, how do you?
It's kind of funny to me because the bong thing, like there's girls on those sites that like will suck fake dicks and I think it's gross and stupid.
I just think it's a bong.
It's a bong for me.
Okay, fine.
Whatever.
Yeah, I made it, so it's funny.
Show of hands.
Who here does OF?
You do.
I don't have an Order.
Who here does any sort of content online that's like you're engaged in sex work online?
Yeah, technically.
Technically, technically.
So you four, I'm just curious.
Are you guys, are you guys religious at all?
Like Christian or atheist?
I grew up really Catholic.
But are you still?
I struggle a little bit with faith.
So are you still religious?
I don't know.
It's hard answering.
What about you?
Are you religious?
I used to be atheist, and then my grandparents died, both of them, in 2017.
Okay.
I believe in God.
I believe in God.
you christian are you i'm not going to identify myself as anything because i don't follow their their values the same Religious at all?
I was baptized Catholic, but then I went to Hillsan and then turned Christian.
Oh, shoot.
I was baptized Catholic and then years later I started going to church and I took my hand up for being Christian, but I kind of slowly felt, just are you currently, do you, okay.
I'm pagan.
I grew up Christian, and then my dad raised me.
Pagan?
What do you mean by pagan?
Like, I guess you could just say spiritual.
I don't know if I want to get into that whole conversation.
What's the half-horse, half-man?
What is that?
Centaur?
Do you believe in centaurs and shit?
I don't know if that's pagan.
That's not really paganism.
Okay.
Like witchcraft.
Modern witchcraft.
Are you a witch?
You could say that, but...
You cast spells and shit.
Curses?
No.
Are you a shaman?
Do you do any shaman shit?
I've done shaman work.
You're a shaman?
I have, but I wouldn't call it shit.
Do you play World of Warcraft?
Do you play Horde or Alliance?
I actually have played World of Warcraft.
I love that kind of stuff.
So like, but are we talking Burning Crusade?
Because if this is like classic World of Warcraft, then you can only play shaman on horde.
So I'm just curious.
Wait, was it horde?
Were you playing horde shaman or alliance shaman?
Neither.
Don't let me get into this.
But like, no, the thing is, like, when it comes to this.
I don't know if I want to get into this.
I'm like, yeah, this is going to be a really long debate.
But, so, like, you can play Tauren, if you're, like, classic Chord, it's Tauren, Orc, and Troll Shaman, but then, like, once, um...
Is this Scar?
The Burning Crusade.
Once the Burning Crusade comes out, then, like, Alliance gets shaman, and then you can be a Draini shaman.
So I don't know.
I'm losing brains on this.
It's on the DTS, so this is.
Do you play D ⁇ D?
For the Horde.
That's not.
Have you ever played League of Legends?
No, I don't.
I didn't play League.
I just played some more of the Warcraft stuff.
Some.
Wow's way better than Brian plays a lot more than some well I haven't played in a while it's been a minute um we could bring it back out okay so you're not do you still consider yourself Christian at all or I don't know not really I don't know all right I want to go on we have a message here from Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten so starting with Kiko 7.5.
Okay.
10.
10.
Like a 5 on a good day.
7.
I'd say 8.
I'm going to say like a 5 and a half on a good day.
I've gained a little weight.
Oh.
Yeah, I think I used to be more fit, like cardiovascularly.
So probably like 7, 8 on a good day.
6.5 or 7.
I give myself a, I used to give myself a 6, but I give myself a 5 because I have a dad bod now, and I need to lose some weight because I've been stress eating because of situations like that.
But yeah, dude, 5 because dad bod.
RIP's in the chat for Brian.
About you, Andrew?
Yeah, Andrew, what about you?
Four.
Okay, all right.
All right.
Why are you laughing, bangs?
Why are you laughing?
I was very humble, not alone.
So wait, 10, 10.
We got the two tens here at the table.
We got the two.
Is there nothing to improve?
Like, there's no room for improvement?
There's a lot to improve.
I think nine is the highest someone gives themself.
I would, I just don't want to come up on the internet and be like, oh, like give myself less than anything than a 10, because that's like silly to me.
I don't understand.
Yeah.
I don't want to come over here and like have this be broadcasted and be like, I'm an eight.
No, I'm a 10 always.
We're all tens.
You guys are all beautiful.
Am I a 10?
I like that mindset.
Yeah, Brian, you should feel like a 10.
No, no, You said that we're all tens.
Am I?
You should only feel like a 10.
Am I a 10?
Let me reword that.
We should all feel like 10s, okay?
Who is not?
I don't know what that is.
I'm not saying I'm a 10.
I'm not saying I'm a 10.
I'm saying I feel like a 10, okay?
Well, the objective reality of what you actually are.
There's no objective.
Andrew's reality of rating yourself.
Yes, that's silly.
Andrew, dude, chill.
I'll just say.
What do you mean, chill?
I'm just saying.
You got your panties in a twist for everything that anyone said.
You're saying that everything externally, mom, sorry, you say stupid shit.
But you're saying everything externally.
It's because anytime I say anything like you have a problem against everything.
I'm not a 10.
I am a 10.
I'm asking, if you take the feeling away for how you wish you felt or whatever, what do you objectively think that you are?
I don't know.
So if a group of 100 men from all around the world were lined up, what do you think?
I don't care what those men say.
Why should those men say?
I don't care.
Why would I want to think, oh my goodness, like put my value onto men?
Men aren't the gatekeepers of beauty.
Brian is also gatekeepers.
Well, actually, my friend over here is a little bit more.
I mean, just to beauty.
Wait, just to address that.
So actually, if we're talking on the dating marketplace, we kind of are because we determine your value in the dating marketplace.
You don't determine it because it comes down to of all the men in the dating marketplace, who's going to date you?
Sexy fine men.
I've gotten with so many sexy fine men.
I've been on dates with so many sexy fine men.
Have I been in a relationship with them?
Wait, are you down to the moment?
I've only been in a relationship with one man.
I've not really been there with, I haven't dated them.
I know.
Are you down to reveal the stuff?
No, I'm not going to do it.
I was just curious.
Okay.
She's going to reveal it.
Me and Bangs are going to do a, I've been teasing this for months now, right?
It's just, me and Bangs are going to do, actually, and Kiko, you got to do one with Chase.
A date.
Oh, actually, I don't want to reveal it.
I don't want to reveal it.
I'm not going to spoil it.
Big things coming 2024.
Big things coming 2022.
10K.
Okay.
10K, and I'll do it.
And I'm helping the Taytay boxing magic.
I love you on IE.
Did I say it right?
I love you on IE.
You're not at 10.
Yeah, you're not at 10.
How well did that go for you on TikTok, by the way?
Oh, I got dragged.
Yeah, I got dragged.
I got dragged.
I got dragged.
That's all I'm going to say.
I'm only going to say make some more TikTok clips.
Fine.
Make more TikTok clips.
The original account that posted it, my reaction went more viral than their own.
Oh, my God.
And I didn't do anything.
I didn't do anything in that TikTok video.
I just reacted to it.
Okay.
Um...
Shoulder hurt.
And didn't, what's her name?
Drew Afwallo, didn't she?
I think she reacted to it.
Oh, I don't know.
She did.
I would love to see that.
She came to your defense.
I would love to see that.
Nah, she just made a bunch of bullshit.
What are we talking about?
I haven't seen it.
Where did she react to that?
She wanted to get rid of white men with bloggers, apparently.
Yeah.
Get rid of.
That's what she said.
She's like, not like kill them off, but like, just stop giving every white shit.
You know what?
She probably would if she.
Drew doesn't care about y'all that much.
No, she's super pressed.
She's super pressed.
She doesn't seem super pressed.
Wait, do you know where she reacted to that clip on?
On her TikTok.
I'm pretty sure.
I have not seen that.
Oh, my God.
Drew, I follow.
What was that a snort?
Oh, fuck, wrong one.
MLD got dragged too.
And can I tell you a little quick story?
Yeah, I saw that Britney girl dragged.
I know.
Can I tell you something real quick?
And I don't want you to get scared.
Okay.
I had.
Okay, so I felt before that clip went viral.
Or like, no.
Actually, you know what?
I don't want to talk about it.
Tell me after the show.
Tell me after the show.
It's so pointless.
Did you have a dream?
Did you dream about me?
What the fuck?
No.
Just be honest.
No, you're going to get mad at me if I say it on here.
You're going to be like, you're wasting my time.
Okay.
Just don't.
I don't want to talk about it.
You had a sex dream about me?
What the fuck?
Oh, honey.
Yo, chill out, bro.
Don't put those allegations out there.
Good times.
Okay, here.
I'll sue you.
Character defamation.
Defamation that you had a sex dream about me.
Yeah, you're putting that out there on station.
No.
You know what's crazy?
A lot of people are shipping us.
That's like the crazy thing.
Really?
No, I just made that up.
Everyone's shipping.
She got excited, though.
No, I got so much sexual tension.
I'm like, no, we don't.
Okay.
I don't like that man.
Wait, we need to have your boyfriend on the stream.
Wait, chat, chat, chat.
One in the chat if you want Kiko to bring on her boyfriend, and then we'll have, we'll do.
I don't know if it's an intervention.
I don't know what we're going to do.
I feel like Kiko, you've chilled out since you've had a boyfriend.
I feel like that's what happens to a lot of girls.
They like hate men and then they find.
I never said I hate it.
No, okay.
Just, yes, you've never said that.
But there's definitely like this animosity that I think a lot of women have for men.
And then once they get a boyfriend, they're like, oh, I can stop being a raging BI.
Can I say something?
It's more about I'm on here, even though nobody here knows who he is.
But like, I still post him on my story and my Instagram.
So I am representing both of us now, and I'm here.
I'm not only representing myself anymore.
Kiko, look at all these people that want you to bring your boyfriend on the show.
I'm not transgender.
What the fuck?
They asked if your boyfriend was too in one of them.
No, he didn't.
Are they down?
He's born a man, still a man.
Or born a little boy.
I almost wonder if it's the case that men.
And he's conservative and Christian.
Very Christian.
That's the thing.
I think a lot of men probably, and I think they've done a bunch of news articles on this.
Like women are, even if you're like a liberal, progressive woman, you're still like more attracted to like conservative, traditional gods.
So like most liberal super, like super.
She always tells me, she's like, you love like conservative men.
And they're highly influential on the women.
No, I like love, like, don't, like, yeah, no, like, I think every guy I've like really fallen in love with, they all look like and they are, like, they've been like, in like the Marines or like worked for like very yeah.
I don't want to say what his job is, but.
Oh, you're currently dating a guy.
No, I like have my eyes on somebody, but like.
Is it that rapper guy who's no, no.
So, so, so, so, sorry.
No, no, no, no.
Don't name drop.
Well, you knit.
I think you name dropped him.
No, I didn't.
I wrapped his, I wrapped a verse.
That's what I did.
Wait, what?
Oh, he was the guy that performed?
Okay, okay.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He did.
Did you go?
No, I didn't go.
Because my feelings are hurt because he still has me on Vanish Mode on Instagram.
Oh, what does it even mean?
I'm not in Vanish Mode.
I'll see it.
Like, they're on Vanish Mode.
I'm like, I don't know what that means.
Yeah, yeah, I still like Canadian.
It's like Snapchat then.
Like, it's like, oh, thank you.
Yeah, just scrolling up in the background.
Going back to Lala really quick, you said you had a married couple story.
A married couple story.
Do you want to tell us that really quick?
This was years before I met my boyfriend.
That was when I still did the dating app thing, which is terrible.
But I was hanging out with this married couple.
I was friends with a girl, obviously, but she got jealous of me hanging out with a guy because I was like trying to date.
So she sought him out and slept with him.
And now she's still with her husband and has two kids now.
And like nothing ever happened.
And I'm just like, you're married.
What a dirty bitch.
Yeah.
Like, how the audacity to do that to your husband, to do that to your friend who's trying to find someone to date, but then I knew that's a forever fuckboy.
And she's, I just, I really, this girl's like that, that I don't like most women.
But then I don't like the kind of women that are kind of like where I was headed.
And maybe still, I'm like halfway there.
But I'm not going to go any further.
So just for clarification, you had a female friend who was married, correct?
Yeah.
She was married.
Yes.
And then you were kind of interested in a guy, but she swooped and she fucked the guy that you were interested in.
Yeah, and he told you.
The guy had to tell her.
The guy told you.
Did you end up hooking up with the dude?
I had already hooked up with him.
Oh, you'd already hooked up with him and you were still hooking up with him.
No, after I found that out, I didn't.
Oh, okay.
Were you like, question for you?
Were you telling your female friend positive things about him?
Not really, no.
I just, she was like, oh, yeah.
Because I've heard stories of girls will be like, oh my God, the sex is so good.
And then the girl's like, I want to try.
I want to try, you know, and they'll like.
I guess that's true.
Especially if you're not like super tight with, like, it's just some acquaintance type shit.
Well, I was spending, like, I was driving hundreds of miles to see this girl and her husband.
Yeah.
So I was almost going to move in with them.
Oh, wait.
So point of clarification.
That dude's gone, but the girl is still married to the same guy.
And now they have two kids.
Did he know?
Does he know that she cheated on him?
Yeah.
Are they swingers?
No, no, he's just...
That's a big L for the dude.
I know.
I felt kind of bad.
No, you divorced.
That's a divorce.
Well, he's like out of her league is the way that he looks at it, but it's not true.
He's such a good person, like in his heart.
He's like overweight and he thinks that his skinny little wife is perfect.
And I just, I wish he didn't think that way, but.
Sure.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
That's interesting.
Here, I need to.
What else do we got here?
We got some more notes on.
We got.
One sec, guys.
Actually, Nick, can you go to Twitch?
We haven't shouted out anybody on Twitch.
Yeah.
Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
Drop us a follow, drops a prime sub.
Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub, lads.
X that out.
Yo, guys, twitch.tv/slash/whatever.
Drops a follow, drops a prime sub.
Really appreciate it, guys.
Thank you, thank you.
If you have Amazon Prime, you link it to your Twitch.
It's a quick, free, easy way to support the show every single month.
Oh, Haley.
Yes.
You said you considered yourself liberal up until four years ago.
Now you're conservative.
Really quickly, why did you switch?
So, real quick, so when the pandemic started and the new, like the BLM protests were starting to go on, I still identified myself with the liberal ideology.
And I even, just because lockdown, I wanted to get out so bad, I kind of almost used it as an excuse to just kind of get out of the house as well.
And just seeing my town getting windows shattered, and like I'm just like, why, why is I didn't see any benefit to what was being happening.
And then just having so much time on my hands, I ended up just doing more research, taking the clips that, you know, I used to hate Trump because of the little snippets.
And then I would look at the actual full-length video, and I just realized that I was not doing enough research myself.
And I spent those months while we couldn't work, just kind of realized that I was wrong about a lot of things ruining.
Sure.
You said that there's a story that you're very ashamed of.
You said you never had a one-night stand in your life until this one YouTuber started messaging you and made you think he was actually interested in you.
Yep.
I know, parentheses, I know dumb.
So I went to LA and stayed with him.
I felt so gross the next day I wanted to disappear when I realized it meant nothing to him.
He told me to come to LA, so I thought we would be spending time together.
Yep.
What kind of, is he like a Roblox?
No, I feel like if I said what he did, it's kind of, there's only a few people that kind of does.
Is it niche?
It's very niche.
Niche.
Is it niche or niche?
I'm pretty sure I can do it.
He does like those catch-a-cheater videos and stuff.
Oh.
Oh.
Okay.
He's really hot.
Honestly, he just looks just like my ex, and I always miss.
How old is this?
This was like three years ago, but he messaged me here and there, but he has a girlfriend, and I was like, oh, no, no, no, no, that is not.
And I had already felt ashamed and embarrassed enough.
Like, I was, I just misunderstood the whole scenario.
Okay.
All right.
Oh, I need to go back to something that I had written down here.
Holy shit, these pens are dog shit.
What the fuck?
I think it's a table.
I think her paper is too thin.
Oh, nice.
If you doubled up the paper, they would work.
It's the type of table.
That could be a fair point.
Let's see.
It's not the nine pens.
I think it's the paper too.
Oh, I wanted to ask, related to the rating yourself one to ten question.
That was great.
What?
You're talking to me?
Sorry.
Relax, Kiko.
Okay.
Getting tired.
For the rating yourself one to ten question, do you guys think you will look better?
You look better now, or will you look better in 10 years?
Going around the table, starting with Kiko.
Go ahead.
I think in 10 years I'm going to look better.
I do.
Okay.
This is something that I really struggle with, actually.
I am scared of getting old, to be honest.
Getting, oh, scared of getting old?
Okay.
So what do you think?
I think I'd look better now.
Okay.
I probably think I look better now, but I hope I take care of myself in a way that's not that different.
I look better now than I will in 10 years.
I think I look better now, but 10 years.
You'll look better in 10 years?
Yeah.
How old are you?
23.
So you'll look better at 33 than currently?
Wait, Kiko, did you answer look better in 10 years, correct?
In 10 years, I'll look better.
What about you?
I'll probably look better now.
Into the mic, please.
I'll probably look better now than in 10 years.
What about you?
I just wanted to, you know, comment on what you said.
I think a lot of girls in this generation are afraid to get old, like, visually, just because of Instagram and everything that you see, especially in LA and California, where you put Botox into your smile lines.
I personally really embrace getting those smile lines and wrinkles because honestly, my life almost ended short.
And I think those wrinkles and those smile lines are a victory.
And they're like a sign of you lived this long, you made it this far.
And maybe like generations after you, you've affected people in the most positive way.
But me personally, I think I will look better in 10 years because I will have matured and I will be smiling more.
I probably will be, you know, totally mentally and emotionally mature at least stable.
So that's, I do think I will, and that will come from the inside outs.
It'll shine from the inside outs.
Yeah.
I think I will look better in 10 years.
So how old are you?
You're 23.
21.
I'm 21, sorry, my fucking, my things are all fucked up because they left.
So I'm trying to get back since July.
23 now.
So you'll be better looking at 31 than at 21, correct?
Yeah.
Okay.
Priya, what about you?
I'm sure I look better now than I will in 10 years.
Madison what about you now we're I feel like with Asian women.
Stop the cap.
No, yeah.
I have to say Asian women.
Asian women look a lot better when they get older.
I think right now I look really young, like I still have a baby face a little bit.
Yeah.
You do, but that's the one that's only a little bit different.
That's a good thing.
That's a good thing.
Okay, so we're going to go around the table once more.
So will you look better in 20 years than you do now?
Kiko.
Yeah, I think I still will.
Same answer as before.
Yeah, I'm hardly the same answer as before.
This question is mostly directed at the people that said, yes, you'll look better in 10 years.
I think who?
I think I would look better in another 20 years to wait.
So you're sorry.
Remind me your age again.
23.
23.
So you'll look better at 43 than you do now at 23.
Yeah, I do think so.
Because I feel like I'll get it.
Kiko, what was your answer on this?
Was it yes?
I'll look better at 43.
No?
What about you?
41 versus 21.
My mom is still so gorgeous.
This is looks, by the way, guys.
She's 40-something-ish.
Please, My grandma is in her 60s, but she still looks so young.
And so I really think I will continue to slay the day away.
Hell yeah.
Oh, what in the name of illusion is that?
Wait, wait, Go ahead.
No, no.
I said I'd look better now.
Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Definitely not in 20 years.
Maybe I'll look better in 10 years than 20.
Okay.
So, wait, sorry.
Kiko, you and you both said you'll be better looking in 20 years, correct?
Here, let's go again.
30 years.
Oh.
Maybe now.
Maybe now.
Okay.
That might be the limit.
What about for youth?
Right.
It could be the limit, but...
That might be the limit.
I don't know.
I feel like I'm going to look young for a while because of my skin, you know.
So I feel like I'll grow into it.
I think physically I would probably look better at this age than in 30 years.
My mom's only 45, so I haven't got a chance to look that far yet.
My mom looks exactly the same since she was 18.
Her hairs are beautiful, but half black.
Black don't really crack, baby.
So I know I'm halfway.
I gotta send the asteroid on this one.
I do.
Thank you.
You are beautiful, Madam.
And in 10 years, I'm gonna have more money to spend more on my skincare and my hair care and all that.
Your skincare.
Yeah.
But just being young is like naturally good.
I know, but definitely, but it's, I'm starting okay, you know, in 10 years, like, I feel like I will look better because one, I feel like I'm maturing nicely.
I'm only one year into my fitness routine right now, so if I'm 10 years into my fitness routine, who knows what my body is going to look like by then?
Kids or not.
And two, it's like I'm saying, yeah, I'll have the actual money to get my hair done.
I'll just say this.
For those of you, I'll let you go in just a sec.
For those of you, wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on just a second.
For those of you who said, even if you just said you'll look better in 10 years, although it seemed like all of you fucking doubled and tripled down on this one.
Wait, Madison, did you answer the 30-year one?
She said no.
Okay.
I'm going to give it to you straight.
You are not going to look better in 10 years.
You're not going to look better in 20 years.
You're not going to look better in 30 years.
I'm not saying, I'm not saying.
That's what I'm saying, too.
I'm not saying that you guys may very well still be very attractive.
No, you were a fortune teller.
No, it's not.
It's just the reality.
It's just the reality.
It's not a reality.
But you guys are just wrong.
Like Alexia.
Alexia Demi or whatever her name is.
That one who acts as Maddie and Euphoria.
She's like 33.
She looks great.
Go ahead.
And then Andrew wanted to say something, so go ahead.
So I follow this lady on TikTok and she is like, she's shown pictures of her in college and her now.
100.
She looks way better now, with like kids and a like a family, than she did when she was in college, because she worked out so much and like I don't think she did anything to her face, but like she just aged so gracefully and she looks so good.
Well, that's like that comes with taking care of yourself.
Of course, like at any age, if you're not taking care of yourself, you're not clean.
Like, of course, you're not gonna look good, no matter what age you are, if you just simply do not take care of yourself.
Yeah no, of course.
My mom my mom could smoke a pack within three days doesn't do anything good for her health, just drinks eight shots of espresso every day.
And i'll even say this as a guy, and I think And Andrew, i'll let, i'll have you come in here just a sec uh, and I do think there's certainly some differences when it between men and women.
I would me personally uh, I would get, I would trade all my success, all my money to be back, and I feel like this isn't fair because, but to be back in my 18 year old body, I would give everything, granted.
I feel like it's not totally fair because that's not, it's not even a a looks thing, because i've got like injuries my back's all up my I got like chronic pain issues.
So I feel like I don't know if that's that's a strong argument to make, but I would argue that um, I was even better looking when I was better looking when I was younger.
I was better looking 10 years ago.
Don't raise them to sure.
You are more beautiful every day to the person who adores you.
Three Andrew, do you tell your wife she looks less attractive with every year that goes by?
Let's go, radio.
That's your man.
The radiologist got your hair.
I know.
I will just really quickly damn, he's loaded.
It does seem.
It does occur to me that Asian women age very well.
They tend to age better than also black black, black women, black men age age well.
For some reason.
Us white folk we look tough.
We start looking rugged.
For your own family.
I got one good looking ass family.
Yeah, I say my damn story.
Let's assume for a second that I lied to my wife every single day and told her delusional things like, oh, you look better now than you did when you were 20.
You're awful.
Obviously not true.
But let's just assume for a second Day, it wouldn't actually change the objective reality of what is.
To say that you guys are going to look better in 10 or 20 years than you do now, this is the Pearl Davis effect.
It's women who are in this type of mindset, who I see thousands of them giving screenshots to Pearl Davis of them taking selfies of themselves in their 40s, which is pathetic.
To say, look at me, I'm still hot, makeup, gallons of it, the whole nine yards.
And then you ask them a simple question, show us what you look like 20 years ago.
They don't post those pictures.
They don't post those.
They only post the pictures of them now.
Because if there's a comparison contrast, what do you think it's going to look like?
Do you honestly believe that for the vast, vast, overwhelming majority of women, I'm talking 90%, that they actually look better the older that they get?
Yes.
Let me ask you something.
I think it depends on what older it is, but 10 years, 10 years.
I think sassy.
I think most 30-year-old women are sassier.
You can tell they're grown up then, please.
I just think what you're saying, somebody to answer your question, I do think that most women who are about 30 look better than 20-year-olds.
Yes, I think they look more in tune with themselves.
They know how to dress for their body and do their makeup and style themselves for their body.
30 is not decrepit.
I don't mean because you looked like fucking milk at 30.
I don't know.
I'm 30.
So that is not even.
I feel like the Crips can be.
I don't know.
Oh my God.
Exactly what I was going to say.
Give me an actress, Kiko.
Let's see if she looked better at 45 than she did at 25.
And you, oh, even like you can say, oh, you might, you might have preferred her when she was younger, but Sophia Viagra, I think she's aged graceful.
I know, she was way better looking.
She looks almost exactly the same.
She looks literally the same.
So you're just arguing.
No, she literally doesn't look the same.
To Alexa Demi, she looked like a child, a complete newborn at 18.
Now she looks not even like a grown woman.
She still looks pretty young.
She's playing a teenager.
Look, you're making the same mistake that they make on Pearl Davis's Twitter.
This is the same exact type of coat that I see.
You're a mistake in reference to Pearl Davis.
We look at these women when they're in their mid-20s and they're age better when they're in their mid-40s.
You can't wait to tell them anything.
I'm white and I'm white and don't age well, LOL, but beautiful is in the eye of the beholder.
Don't be shallow.
She's your boyfriend.
I feel like you could age as a woman and still be beautiful when you're older, but you might look as good as you did in your prime ages.
This whole debate is going into if your preference is 18, 19, 20-year-old women, then yeah, you might think that way.
But I don't think that the majority of women just turn to shit once they're 30 years old or all women.
Don't know anything.
But I don't have to realize that they look better when they're 20.
Nobody's claiming that women who are in their 40s can't be beautiful women.
That's not what I said.
I'm just claiming that the overwhelming majority of them are still going to be way more beautiful when they're 25 versus 45.
That not only is a reasonable take, but it's objective reality everywhere that I look.
And this is why women are so scared of aging because it's like there, I don't know.
For me personally, I'm scared of aging because it's like there's so much stuff in society where it's like, oh, 25, you've hit, you've, you know, like you've hit it.
I think it's like you hit the wall.
You're done.
Your value in society has gone down.
So yeah, I think there's a problem.
I know, but I think there's a pro.
I'm not saying I know, but I'm saying there's a problem with that type of thinking.
And that's so toxic.
Well, because it makes you feel bad, but it doesn't make it less objectively true.
That's the problem.
It's like, I don't think, I think that the opposite is true.
I think the problem is when you say we need to dismiss what is objectively true and try to make people kind of lie to everybody to make these untrue statements that, hey, guess what, girl?
At 45, you're going to be just as hobby as you were 20.
So it's ridiculous.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
We went from 20 to 30, 25 to 45.
Let's think this way.
We know, we all know.
None of us are stupid at this table.
You all know that most women look way better when they're 25 than 45.
I check IDs for my job, right?
Almost every single day.
I'm checking hell IDs.
And I will tell you, majority of the women who come in at 35 look a lot better than the 21-year-olds I'm checking.
It's not cap.
The 21-year-olds.
What you just said.
It makes literally.
Hang on.
What you just said, Kiko, makes no sense.
No, it's my experience.
You can see them.
Why do you need to look at their ID?
That's what I'm talking about.
I'm a bartender.
I'm a bartender.
I check IDs.
I'm a bartender.
You can cheat their face because they're in front of you.
Why do you check their face?
No, you're missing that point.
My point is, since I actually, I'm not just looking at people and being like, oh, she's about 35.
Oh, she's about 25.
I'm actually checking their ID, see what year they're born, and then get to decide based on their age.
And I get to actually know their exact age.
And I'm not just trying to guess how old they are.
I can actually see the number on their ID from the year they were born.
So I know.
What they look like 10 years earlier.
What are you talking about?
I'm talking in Arizona.
So maybe I'm not comparing it to, I'm not comparing it to that woman at 21.
She looked maybe she looked better at 21 or 31.
I'm just saying as a whole, that majority of women that I see look better when they are about to hit 30 or around 30 than they do at 21.
So if, as a whole, most women look better at 30, then that woman too probably looks better now than she did.
Yeah, but Kiko, the woman who comes in and gives you her ID, you can see her, right?
Yes, Andrew.
So you don't need to look at her ID to see what she looks like.
You can see it.
And then you look at the ID and you can say, okay, I know how old this is.
It's going over your head, Andrew.
It's okay, baby.
It's okay, baby.
She's going over your head.
It's 25 to her 10-year younger self, right?
Yes, you're right, Andrew.
Though then I don't even understand the argument, Kiko.
I don't either, Andrew.
You're right.
Oh, my gosh.
Do you guys think men look a lot better when they're younger than when they're no?
Men usually age pretty well.
Kind of like me and Baby Things.
Not gonna lie.
I like a rugged.
I like a man who looks like he's seen something.
I don't care.
I like my boyfriend.
I like a guy like a few years older, but not like very, very older than your age?
Or wait.
Yeah, like four or five years older, I guess.
But I wouldn't be like.
You know, boyfriend or you're apart.
I wouldn't be like, I don't know.
I also wouldn't date a guy like my age either.
Just because I think they're, like, a little bit too, too.
What are you doing?
What's the word?
I feel like they're a little bit too.
I think men naturally are just very immature.
So I feel like when they're like at 21, they're mentally like 18 or something.
I don't know.
Maybe I've just met very immature men that I think they're like.
So I usually tend to go like maybe like four to five years older.
Ryan.
Get away.
Me.
Boja.
First face.
Oh, my God.
Boja.
She's giving us Boja.
Princess Karen.
I love her.
She's my favorite.
That shows a trip.
What's his name?
Stuart?
I don't know.
I've only watched that.
Oh.
Wait, yeah, I was going to say, Andrew.
I think he created himself.
I think he's talking to his chat.
Oh, okay.
No, I didn't hear everything you guys say.
Oh, yeah.
I was just saying, I think he's responding to his chat.
Oh.
Yeah, no, I don't know.
Rachel, what the hell are you doing?
I mean, it seems like you guys don't really want to engage with any of the points that I'm making.
I mean, you should, because, like, in this case, Piko.
It goes for your head.
You don't actually think that it's delusional to think that you're going to look better in 20 years than you do right now?
No, I know.
It's delusional.
It is.
It is delusional.
Maybe you.
Maybe that's what you feel better.
I know that my mother.
My mother looks better now than she did at 18.
Oh, I have a 90.
Are you going to get classic surgery?
Great grandma, and she still looks like she's 50.
Yeah.
And she's still moving around, going to the casino, playing card games.
Like, I have good jeans.
I look better than I do now than I did at 18.
I look better than I do now at 20.
I look better, so I'm going to keep going up.
Especially in the 10 years.
Just in denial.
Just in denial.
Hold on, but I rip it.
We have somebody coming in on the line.
I know you're not a natural beauty, but I think with the right clothes, the right look, you could be very striking.
Oh, wow.
I don't know who that was.
That was crazy.
Who was that?
I don't know who that was.
No, I mean, who's the voice of that?
Who's the guy from Eastbound and Down?
What's his name?
Oh, Danny McBride.
Who was that?
Oh, okay.
Damn.
Well, and you're so important, isn't it?
I'm a troll.
You said when you checked the IDs and they look better when they're older, it's probably just because they had a hairstyle that looks better to them now, or they changed their fashion.
But like, yeah, they look better than I do.
That's the thing, though.
That's the question.
They still look better than they did.
But if they knew how to dress like that when they were younger, they would look better.
But they didn't.
So they didn't look good.
That's the whole thing, though.
Like, these 21-year-olds are walking into the club and converse and a hoodie.
That doesn't look good.
And that's how they're acting at that age.
I bet in 10 years, she might know how to dress herself a little better and care a little more about what she looks like.
And yeah.
I mean, if you guys, if you don't agree, if you think that you're going to get just wrinkly and raisined up with every year that goes on, then so be it.
But I'm in the beginning of my fitness journey.
Just in this one year, how my body is transformed and looks so much better.
I'm not going to, my body's not going to stop looking good because I'm 30.
Like, that's not how life works.
And yeah, I don't know.
Maybe if I wasn't half black, I wouldn't think the same way I do.
But no one was saying that.
But that is how life works.
Like, if you have children or you have an accident or you can't get to the gym for a prolonged period of time or things like this, there's all sorts of stressors which happen on the body.
And age is something which we all have to deal with, whether you like it or not.
I mean, in this particular case, Kiko, it doesn't seem absurd to you to think that you're going to look back in 10 years at yourself right now and go, yes, I'm way hotter than that chick.
I think in 10 years, yeah, I'm going to look at a picture of myself and be like, I'm going to think I was beautiful, and I'm going to think I looked great in my early 20s, but I'm going to think, like, damn, I've came a long way in my fitness journey.
I've came a long way in growing myself, and I look good as hell now.
That's what I think.
Because I will say, I used to lift, and then I got off of it, and I lost all of my gains, and I'm getting back into it.
But it takes a long time to build your weight all the way up.
Because I used to be lifting 95-ish pounds, which is like basically my body weight.
So it's like, you know, it takes a long time to build up to that.
And then to also have a consistent schedule.
Like, that's my life.
So, yeah, I mean, it's only taking me.
Bone man 50.
You might be able to get it.
Dude, hey, bone man.
Actually, it might be pizza time.
Thank you, man.
Here, let me pull up.
I think this one came in.
Showtime Simex.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
This is an example of Disney versus Reality.
Are you guys ready?
All of you look 44 years old.
God damn, right now.
Okay, I don't think so.
He's tripping.
He's bounced.
That's a troll.
That's delusional.
My customers ask me every day if I'm old enough to get it.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Yeah.
So, but okay, with your example of, well, I can go to the gym and my body can improve.
But the reality is, let's just assume like you're 20, you have an average body, and then at 40, you have still an average body.
There's going to be certain changes that occur when it comes to your skin.
You're going to get wrinkles, et cetera.
So certainly it could be the case that you could be morbidly obese at 20 and then lose all of that.
You could get the surgery to get rid of the excess skin.
It's perhaps plausible that you might actually be more attractive as like a like super fitness, like at 40 versus you at 20, morbidly obese.
But I think the reality is for the vast majority of people, because of those just inevitable changes that occur to your body via aging, you're just gonna be like, you're gonna be better looking when you're younger.
I think the answer to this question is that that graph that you always show.
Oh my God.
Wait, did you say better looking?
I forgot.
No, no, I actually have a really hard time with aging.
I like avoid celebrating my birthday.
The moral of the story is if you take care of yourself the exact same way in your 20s as you will in your 30s, the exact same way.
You know how to dress the exact same, you have the same sense of style, you have the same fitness habits, you have the same eating habits, same skincare routine, you are going to look better in your 20s than you are in your 30s.
I just won't be dressing like this.
I think it also has to do with what you think peaking is.
I think most people peak at 30.
I think most people look their best when they're 30.
A lot of men, how we look at that graph, they stop.
They think that most at 20, like, you know how with women, it'll be, you think people our age are attractive at the same age, but men, it stops.
I think that's the issue is you guys think that these wrinkle-free and plump and all that is the most perfect you could ever be.
I don't take that as being most attractive.
That's, I think, the difference.
I take it being attractive when you know how to dress yourself and look accordingly, which comes with age.
I thought it was awesome.
Do you think that a guy who's not going to be a little bit more like that?
And it's like, and it's so sick that you guys keep saying this when we already know that people have this issue with aging.
And you guys are the same ones who are like, I don't like Botox.
I don't like filler.
I don't like this.
But then you're like, by 30, you're going to be looking, not like you look like shit, but every age.
Even Andrew said, though, he's like, every year that we look worse.
I think he said that.
I don't know if it was a TTS or something like that.
That's just not true.
That's just not.
Well, let me address that.
No, I mean, on average, it is true.
Let me just address that.
I am a natural body supremacist.
I, granted, obviously take care of your hygiene, take care of your grooming, but yes, I'm not in favor of plastic surgery.
I don't like fake boobs.
I don't like fake lips.
I don't like lipo.
The lipo belly looks worse.
Give me a girl with like a little belly fat.
And the reality is if you bend over like most people, unless they're like really low body fat, you're going to have a little belly.
It's okay.
You don't got to be like super low body fat all the time.
In fact, I don't think it's super healthy, especially, I think, even for women.
Because then if your body fat gets too low, I guess it has an impact on your menstruation, I guess.
So very much against labia plasty, by the way.
I'm very much natural body supremacist.
If you need to be talked out of a labia plasty, my DMs are open.
I'll help you out.
I'm a nice guy like that.
Wait, what?
I said, you're a female doctor.
Oh, I'm against the BBLs.
What?
That looks so bad.
It's so bad.
Yeah, they're so terrible.
But also, I was going to say that a lot of men don't really know what the difference is.
Yeah, the differences.
Even Photoshop, you guys will see Photoshop, and then you'll be like, yeah, that's natural.
then you guys don't like really realize it's photoshop a woman's face is shit wait how does it go or what Oh my God, how am I dropping the ball on this?
A woman's face is her work of fiction.
A man's face is his autobiography.
I don't know what that means.
That's a good stuff.
It means that women put gallons upon gallons of makeup on their face and do everything they can possibly do, including taking the right filters with selfies, the right angles, and everything else.
Men don't wear makeup by and large, and you can basically figure out probably what a man does for a living by how weathered it is and how beat up he looks.
Why don't you go short?
Also, wait, I just want to address your thing.
I just want to, okay, guys, keep it.
Play nice.
Put your swords away, okay?
You know, you know, Can I share quotes?
One sec, one sec.
I know you wanted to come in on something.
I just want to say, so I actually think the female beauty standard that feminists cry about is actually more than obtainable for like 90% of women.
So, okay, flat stomach, you don't need abs, maybe a little bit of muscle tone, healthy BMI.
That's very obtainable for most women.
Whereas I would argue the male beauty standard that's rarely challenged by mainstream media is literally unobtainable without two, if not three of the following.
Elite genetics, steroids, and five plus years of basically treating the gym like a part-time or second job.
I agree with that.
Like, if you, for example, if you look at the Superman movie, or sorry, not the superhero movies, and you look at all the male superheroes, they're typically like in insane shape.
A lot of them are on steroids.
You're saying the woman superheroes aren't?
They're usually like Pixar movies.
Who's the girl who plays Wonder Woman?
What's her name?
No, they look soft.
They don't even look strong.
gal gadot she's like has barely any like that's like an average looking girl like an a that like an average Granted, she's thin, right?
I don't know if thin's the right word, but she's a healthy BMI.
That is achieved.
Like her body is achievable by vast majority of women.
I think the high body standard for men is placed by men, though.
I don't think a lot of times.
That's the same, though, from superhero movies that are like, oh yeah, Superman has to look like this.
Women don't care about that.
Right, but there's always this conversation of what do you mean they don't care?
Of course they care about that.
Spider-Man is like woman's favorite superhero.
He's not anything.
He's a child.
No, the male physique.
Spider-Man is literally just sanitized.
I mean, we have more data on this when it comes to what's considered positive physiognomy and this type of thing than you can imagine.
And yet, obviously, there's a standard which women have that they have a preference for.
And they have an overwhelming preference for it.
They want to see Superman with abs and big muscles.
Yeah, that's fake.
Let's go around the table and ask if we've ever been.
Can we go around the table and ask if we've ever dated a very muscular gym guy?
Well, just because you can't get boyfriend doesn't mean that they wouldn't prefer one.
Most can get one.
Yeah, most girls.
My boyfriend's a gym rat, and he's perfect.
Also, I don't think what me and Andrew are saying, it's not like as a guy you have to look like The Rock to get women or that all women necessarily prefer the ideal.
That's exactly what he's saying.
No, but when we're having a conversation about this.
Saying most women do.
I'm just stating the cost of a perfect body for each gender.
Like, you take an average 18-year-old woman.
She's probably got like a, she's probably fairly close to the idealistic female body.
Whereas comparing it to the idealistic female body, or excuse me, the idealistic male body, the amount of work and genetics, even drug intervention that's required to do that is insane.
So did you have something?
Oh my gosh, now I got a brain fired.
I'm sorry.
Was it Dr. Man?
No.
No, no.
I've got a quote.
Good times.
Kalala has something.
Yeah, just a quote to share.
That a hurtful truther is better than a happy liar.
I've heard that, I mean, it's pretty much the same thing, just worded differently.
People prefer comforting lies over uncomfortable truths.
They should.
That's another way, too.
So where were we?
Well, can I ask this?
Do you honestly believe on average, If a woman had to choose between a man who had, let's say, 10, 15 extra pounds on him, right?
Or a man, and I'm just talking physically.
I'm not talking about personality, none of that stuff, just physically, or a man who was in very good shape, had maybe a flat stomach and seemed to be well muscled.
You're saying that that would not be the preference for most women?
Oh, actually, I don't know what about most.
Yeah, I have an answer to that.
I actually have a ton of influencer friends in like TikTok and Instagram.
And honestly, their boyfriends are not the standard of attraction, but they have that character, which is like, I am the provider and the protector.
And, you know, their girlfriend, which is my friend, they're usually like very homemade.
Yeah, so you're getting into personality.
I literally said, forget personality.
Don't bring in the personality traits or how they are, how they act.
Not even talking about that.
Just saying physically, just physically, most women swipe right, right?
There's a reason that they do.
What do you think that is?
Could it be that they have kind of like physical things that they're after, like height, for instance, is a big one.
I think you meant to say tons of polls on this.
At what point are we going to just kind of rant at this objective reality that women would obviously prefer men who are in better shape and look better?
I love a man that has a chubby boy heart.
Yeah, I like a dad bod.
I really love a chubby boy heart.
I feel like I do not.
I like somebody who looks healthy.
Personality.
Personality twerks again.
What about physically?
I just said doctors.
I feel like we all said it, sir.
I just said it's a teddy bear kind of.
Like me and Bria, like we said, we like, and Haley did too, we like more fit men.
That's our preference.
But I don't think that they're lying when they say that they do prefer men with men bods because a lot of my friends like men with men bods.
And honestly, my boyfriend now is the first fit man I've ever dated.
They weren't like fat per se, but they weren't like, they took their shirt off and you were like impressed.
Okay.
And so what happens is that you're dating a fit man, right?
Now I am.
I am.
And I said I prefer fit.
But I'm not saying, I don't think that they're liars for saying that.
I just think it's a good question.
I didn't ask them if they're lying.
I asked them a question about what they think the average woman would prefer.
Right now, honestly, I do think it's a dad bod.
Most of my friends all say the same thing.
That is the preference.
I know a lot of women do not like the gym guys.
It's because I know you said not personality, but a lot of women associate a man with a very great physique to have a certain type of ego and personality.
So a lot of women don't go after those type of men and they just naturally don't find them attractive anymore because they have a pre-disposed opinion of how they're going to act.
So we can't say what most women are like because, yeah, not all women are.
No, we can because we have all sorts of polling data and we know what dating size is.
And then these polling data is whoever answers more than almost any other topic sociologically with the dating preferences of women.
The physiques that they're after, the heights that they're after.
We basically know almost everything that they're looking for and they definitely do not prefer a man bod over a guy who's in good shape.
On average, not even close.
I know you said not without personality, but are we talking about to date or to hook up with?
Because a lot of people are on Tinder to not date.
They're just hookup.
So a woman might want a six foot rip guy too.
You have to do the personality, Kiko.
I don't think the personality, if the preference first starts with you must be six foot one.
Or you must be over six foot head.
Are you getting this in the future?
You can't hear us because you keep talking so you can't hear us.
And Cole.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
I think also what like Kiko is saying is usually a person's physique can be implicative of their character.
And in my experience personally, and I know a lot of other girls who have gone through this, gym bros tend to be very vain and they tend to like criticize their partner because they want them to be at the same level.
But that can be sort of like wearing down on their partner.
And that's why I personally, and a lot of other my girlfriends, they prefer the dad bud because those people are much kinder, much less vain.
Stereotyping.
The reason that you keep on bringing up personality, all of you avoiding this, but not all of you on the panel, but the two I'm engaging with anyway, keep avoiding this.
Assume for a second that the same exact personality that they're attracted to, whatever that is, whatever those characteristics are that those people like as a personality trait, happens to also be packaged in a body that is more physically fit than not.
Would they prefer that?
Everyone has a type.
Did you pick your partner based on a poll?
Watch good will hunting and listen how Robin talks about his late wife.
BTW, thank you, babe, for the Joe Malone.
Aw, I bought him a cologne recently, Joe Malone.
And then I also bought him a laba.
War.
Cool story, bro.
So yeah, I would like an answer to this, which is the reason you keep on bringing in, what I prefer personality-wise and blah, blah, blah, is because you don't seem to want to answer this question.
Which is just simply stated this.
If you had all those same personality types, like the person didn't change, but they just happened to be more fit and in better shape.
Wouldn't you prefer that to the alternative?
That's the question.
No, I already answered that.
I said I love a chubby boy.
I said yes.
I would.
She said yes.
She said yes, she would.
She said no.
She said no.
No.
She said, We've gone in our circles, Andrew.
We've gone in our circles and we've gone with her.
No, it's the personality that's the only way out.
She's the only one who's making it all else equal and saying, okay, they have the same personalities.
You know, instead of being five foot five, they're six foot.
Would you prefer that?
I dated someone that was five.
Yeah, Kiko.
Now he's changing it up because he didn't like our answer.
My ex-boyfriend was five seven.
You didn't answer.
You don't know why.
Let's not do insults.
No insults, guys.
Okay, hold on.
Let me change the topic.
Let me change the topic.
All right.
I don't think we're going to.
He goes in a circle.
No, no, no.
Just let me move.
Let me move it on.
Let me move it on.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
I'm glad I just got it.
Andrew, take a drag.
Andrew, take a drag of your cigarette.
Well, how can it be this hard just to answer a direct question?
The question is, if all else is equal, okay, you're saying you would actually not prefer that your man was more fit, even if he maintained all of his personality quirks.
Can I ask you a question?
Because here's the thing: people have different preferences on body.
Not all women are just looking for, like, how I guess all men just want the biggest tits and the fattest ass and the smallest ways.
I will.
Women have different preferences.
Hold on, no, no, no.
I actually, I kind of want to semi, like, you could ask me the question, like, Brian, but be honest, like, all things being equal, would you prefer a chick with some like giant natural titties or even just big titties over like an A-cup?
And you know what?
I might take the A-cup.
Thank you.
I might.
Wait, wait, where are you going, Kiko?
Where are you going?
Is that a rage quit?
Is it a rage quick?
No, you know, by the smoke where is that a rage?
Oh, she's a bitch.
But Brian, if I asked you on average, do you think most men would prefer the A-Cup?
What do you think they would say?
So, yes, I think most men would prefer some giant titties.
I'm going to say it.
I think it's the case.
Don't get me wrong.
I like big boobs are nice.
But I just, okay, I'm going to get.
Now I'm going to piss off everybody else.
Yeah, I think that's good.
Thank you, Nick.
So here's my hot take.
I'm probably going to get canceled for it.
So a woman who's got big boobs.
She can be hot.
She can be sexy.
But you can't be beautiful.
But a woman with smaller boobs, she can be all those things and she can be beautiful.
What the fuck?
Like in your head?
Your personal like, like, okay, like, for oh, no, just like giant fucking titties.
I just, it's, it can be that you can be attractive, you can be very hot, you can be sexy, whatever.
But like, if you look at the Greek statues, the Roman statues of women, they didn't have these like giant fucking can crusher knockers.
You know what I mean?
They had like modest titties.
The titties were modest in the Greek stat sculpture days.
Seemed like that.
And that's just my thoughts on the matter.
You guys like to talk about biology, but what about the woman?
Like, who's gonna nurse your child?
Of course, you're upset by it.
Who's gonna nurse your child?
Who's gonna nurse your child?
Of course, fucking Anai is upset, right?
How dare you?
Yeah, but who would I gotta take titties?
Why you gotta come out of it?
Let's be honest.
I mean, most of the time, it's formula now that nurses people's children, right?
Yeah, okay, but let's say, and back then, since you guys like to talk about biology and like, oh, back all the way back then.
Don't get me wrong.
Nice, big business.
You guys like to talk about that stuff.
You guys always like to bring that stuff together.
$200.
Bro, they answered you multiple times.
Some like Rip Dudes and some like dad bods.
If you want to quote averages, find a study or two with references.
Unless you've published your own research.
That's not me.
Okay, so let me respond to D041.
If you're as delusional as these women and think all things equal, if they have the same personality type inside of men that women would prefer to have the fat one, you're a fucking idiot.
You're as dumb as the majority of the sims that are probably in these women's only fans chats.
Nobody believes that for a second.
Why would they?
It's completely fucking insane.
It's just like me saying, if I, oh, if I could have my wife, right, in her 21-year-old form versus, you know, the form she's in right now, which would I prefer, it's a pretty easy question.
Someone send this to his wife.
Yeah, send this to his wife.
Send this to his wife.
His wife is watching, I think.
Yo, what's up, Rachel here?
Yo, she's as delusional as you are.
Yo, W's in the chat for Rachel.
I feel bad for you.
Hey, can I ask you something, Andrew?
Oh, my God.
How tall are you?
I'm not.
hey how tall are you he's a he's a fucking i'm six foot tall You give short man energy.
Whoa, whoa, I mean, you give dumb skank energy.
Good.
Let the horse live.
Guys, guys, guys, put a sword.
Just to address the short, even though I'm 6'1, I am an ally to short men.
I'm in solidarity with short menu.
Yeah, I love short guys.
I object.
I don't like the short menu.
Short guys tend to ask me.
I'm not saying Mr. Andrew Napoleon.
Kika knows where this is going.
Kika knows where this is going.
So, actually, let's do split on this, Nick.
So if it's okay to say short man energy, is it okay?
To say fat woman energy.
Huh?
Yeah, yeah.
I feel like I also feel like I should have.
Yeah, like what's that?
When we say short man energy, we are talking about the Napoleon complex.
That's actually a researched topic.
So when you say fat woman energy, what are you saying?
Are you saying like the ones who hop up on the air and like complain that they should be loved no matter what?
Yeah, that shit's annoying.
I agree.
If that's what we're getting at, then I don't like, we shouldn't shame people for their control.
Don't go back now.
You can't shame short men.
They can't, you know, it's not shaming them for being short.
It's shaming them for the way they are.
Of course, it's what they can't control here.
But but no, but literally the words are short man energy.
Which relate to the way they act.
It's energy.
It's the energy.
It's energy.
But then why attach short man?
It's offensive and mean to short man.
Because it's like a stir.
And I will defend short men to the death.
Okay.
Some of my friends are very short men.
All right, they're good.
Here, let me pull up this chat, then we're going to move on.
Don't take me off.
When we talk dad, body, can you body 30 to 40 percent versus fit 8 to 12 percent?
We are actually talking about the 20 percent differential in body fat.
That's from the irate seagoer.
He's irate and seagoing.
8 to 12 percent body fat in a woman is extremely low.
Are you on a jet ski, dude, or why are you irate about?
I'm confused.
Okay, thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Here, I have a new question to ask the panel.
So, you know, we hear a lot about this orgasm gap between men and women.
Oh, perfect.
This is exactly what I wanted to talk about.
This is, sorry, orgasm.
Okay.
You know, how women typically, especially in the casual encounter, are far less likely to orgasm as compared to men.
So I want to ask you guys going around the table first off: of the men you've been with, what percent of them have made you come?
No comment.
Key go.
That's disrespectful.
How's it disrespectful?
I have a boyfriend.
My boyfriend gets the job done every time.
Okay, good for him.
Thank you.
I'm proud.
Has it been rough for you?
Like a lot of guys dropping the ball?
No, I actually wanted to talk about how kind of like it kind of has to go with orgasming, I guess.
But it's like, why does this sex end when the man comes?
Like, why doesn't the sex end when the woman comes?
Because they go soft.
No.
Well, I can answer that.
I mean, essentially, after a man climaxes, he enters into the refractory period where it's essentially impossible for him to maintain or regain an erection.
I guess.
So it's just physiologically minimum 30 minutes, I think.
I mean, shit.
Although there is one time.
What the fuck happened?
That should.
Okay, never know this is that.
I was just going to say, like, usually, like, a man, a man will, like, finish, and then they're like, uh, okay.
That's why I think.
And then they don't even want to go down on like the girl or anything.
That's why.
They don't want to reciproc.
That's why I think, as a guy, you got to make your girl come first.
Because once you come, like, you can't.
I mean, you could, there's other things you can do, but you can't keep fucking really.
Yeah.
I think the girl needs to come first and if possible, multiple times.
Right on.
You are.
Yeah, good for you for saying that.
Good for you.
Well, I don't get these.
Some of these guys, they're like, I don't want to make my girl come.
Like, even, and I talked about this on the previous show, and I'll be brief.
Let's say you're totally selfish in the bedroom.
Anyways, I would argue the most selfish thing, well, if your own pleasure is your primary concern, I would argue if you make your girl come, she's probably going to be, she might be, she's going to be more enthusiastic.
She's going to get more wet.
She's going to, it's going to feel better.
What?
It's true.
Yeah.
She's going to feel better.
And so, what was I saying?
Make her come like a little bit more.
Like, if you're, if you, it's just, this is like just normal conversation.
If.
Why is everything uncomfortable?
This is normal sexual conversation.
If like she comes while during sex, that feels good.
Just saying.
Preach, Brian.
Preach.
Make sure these little boys.
We have to get you away from the communal sex toys, though.
What's the communal?
Oh, my God.
You know what I'm talking about.
Don't.
Bro, you can wash a sex toy.
Do you let them know?
Yeah, that's what I wanted.
Beforehand?
Do you let them know?
I'm angry.
Like the first time I'm.
I'm not sure if I'm doing this right.
The first time I'm having sex with a girl, it's not like I'm a virgin every time I have sex with her.
I clean.
Okay, that's a good thing.
And I would argue, like, cleaning a sex toy is much in terms of actually being clean.
Like, you've cleaned it.
I think if any man pulled up to your encounter with sex toys, you should already assume that they can use other people.
I mean, unless it's like you're messing up their pH balance.
They have to see that man out of them.
Don't wait for me.
So going around the table on this, percentage of men you've been with that have been able to make you climax.
Did you answer?
No, I didn't answer.
Go ahead.
A good amount.
Honestly.
You wanted like 50%?
More or less?
Honestly, probably more.
Okay.
4%, and one of them is who I'm with.
Wait, 4%?
Okay, 4%.
Yep.
Almost all.
What do you mean, stall?
Like, almost all.
Oh, almost all.
Excuse me.
Okay.
Out of the guys I've been with, probably two of them actually made it.
Just two of the guys?
Do you want to give a percentage or no?
I don't know what that percentage would be.
Okay.
All right.
Well, for example, if it was 10 guys you've been with and two of them were able to do it, that'd be 20%.
Thanks, Brian.
Yeah, you know, my she didn't know her percentages work max.
I would say about I hate doing this.
I like 25%, but I have to do a lot of mental work to get there.
It was more Europe.
Yeah, mentally, but I will fully acknowledge that's just because I had a bad first few times, so it's just kind of where my mind went.
Yeah.
I'm not going to disclose that because of my own morals, but I am going to respond to Alvin Sam.
I can't believe the simp doctor doesn't even know that men across all ages ranges prefer women in her 20s.
This is basic common sense.
First of all, I don't think simp isn't in the material.
DO41 is a normal.
They have had dollars.
This has been fun.
Thanks for letting me a virtual guest lie.
Andrew, make sure to get lung cancer screen chest CTs at age 50 from smoking.
Maybe I'll die of lung cancer, but you're going to die a fucking simp.
Oh, shit.
Which one's worse?
I don't know.
Which one's worth?
She conducted herself on this podcast.
What makes her bitter?
You are just bitter.
Take a big fat drag of yourself.
No, because I personally think that he treats me so well that I want to treat him like a king, and every day I treat him like a king because he treats me so well.
He don't listen to what the hell he's talking about.
There's nothing wrong with treating your girl like royalty because she will treat you like royalty back.
As long as you find out what you're doing, the way that your woman treats you is a reflection of how you treat her.
That is so true.
I'd like to say that a lot of men would complain about like, oh, I don't want a masculine woman, but in reality, what makes a masculine woman weak feminine men?
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
I don't know.
No, it's true.
In a relationship?
I actually think that's a good question.
Truth be told, though, like, okay, if you treat your girl like a queen, she's going to treat you like a king.
No, I would actually argue, like most dudes who are like tricking and simping on chicks, a lot of women actually have contempt for the dudes that are simping and tricking and doing all that shit, doing all this extra shit.
Let me get you flowers on the first date.
Nah, you don't really respect that dude.
You actually kind of like the guy who's kind of the bad boy who kind of treats you.
Where is this coming from?
No, no, no.
a lot of women i'm not again i'm not saying all women but i i look at what's going on especially among like younger women for example in college it comes out of the what's it what's that saying out of the horse's mouth Women literally say this.
They like bad boys.
A mature woman.
Probably the 18 years that we're trying to tell you not to dance.
You give your best years.
You give your best years to arguably the worst men.
And then by the time you're 30, you're all jaded and you've been through a bunch of toxic, trashy men, which excite you to some degree.
And you're not satisfied with the otherwise, let's say good or nice guys.
I don't like the term nice guys, but you curve the guys who would actually give you commitment, who would treat you well.
They don't excite you.
They're boring.
You'd much rather chase after the divided attention of some fuckboy or playboy type of dude.
Honestly, my boyfriend, he follows a very steady routine.
We have a very like scheduled out, you know, agenda for the month.
Like we go over it every beginning of the month or end of the month.
But that's exciting to me that he has that structured lifestyle and he prioritizes not just his family, but also his work and his passion and his friends.
That's why he chose you.
He found someone that aligned with his beliefs instead of finding someone that was a partier or whatever.
I'd rather have consistency than that up and down of the bad boys.
Have you ever had that?
No.
You've never had that?
Because why would I want to waste my time with someone that can't offer consistency as well as communication?
Well, congratulations.
You're well adjusted, but it occurs to me that a lot of women are not.
And a lot of women, especially when they're young, they like chase after these types of dudes that eventually it's like a lesson you're going to learn.
Yeah.
After you've developed, you've accrued like a shit ton of baggage and trauma that you're going to unload on the guy who's actually prepared to commit to you and treat you well.
That's why he wants to be aware of that.
And then you're going to sabotage.
You're going to sabotage that relationship.
You're going to be quarreling and then he's probably not going to excite you in the bedroom because that one guy fucking threw you around and talks trash in your ear and all that shit.
And then you're going to have contempt.
You're going to have contempt for him.
He doesn't excite you.
And then you're going to divorce him.
And then my last relationship was like very crazy.
Yeah, tell us about it.
No.
Tell us about it.
My last relationship was very, very crazy.
And I've taken these two years since then to really focus on myself and be like, okay, I'm never going to get in a relationship like that.
I'm never going to act the way that I did like that.
Didn't you.
What?
What I did?
You've already said this on the show.
Yeah, aren't you part of the equation, though?
Yeah, that's why I said I will never act the way that I did like that.
That's why I'm taking this.
That's what they all say.
No, I'm just.
I'll never do it again.
Because my issues start when I'm in a relationship, so why would I be in a relationship?
Wait, you two are really close friends, right?
Yeah, yeah, we're best friends.
Festies, how long have you guys been with us?
We've known each other.
Freshman year.
14.
You guys are both up north?
Yeah.
Like from a little bit of a bit.
Okay.
That's so cute.
We actually lied opposite.
It's kind of funny.
Not your opponent.
I feel like we like a lot of people.
Oh my gosh.
It's the black cat and golden retreat and the black cat and she.
I know.
Well, we knew.
Question for both of you.
Have you guys ever done hood rat shit together?
Hood rat shit?
Have you done hood rat shit?
What does that mean?
You know it when you see it.
No, no, no.
She got into a pretty serious relationship.
Really serious relationship at a young age since she was like 15.
This is the first time she's been like a single woman.
Yeah, I know.
So hood rat shit to come.
No, no, Sophia seems, Sophia seems like a good person.
Do not doctrine.
You wouldn't be a bad person.
Do not be a bad influence.
No degeneracy.
Have you been trying to convince her to do OF?
Is that what you're saying?
No.
Would you?
I would never.
Don't.
I'm very.
No, those are her more of my own person, but liberal in ideology.
Wait, you're conservative?
Yeah, like I'm conservative.
I don't really like to show my body.
I don't really like to talk to men.
But you're liberal in your what?
Yeah, ideology.
What do you mean?
Like, my opinions are extremely left-leaning.
Super left-leaning?
Like, communist?
Are you a communist?
No, I mean more so like social, like, like liberalism.
Yeah, like, people should just do whatever they want.
People should just.
As long as it's safe and healthy.
Andrew might come to that.
Hold on, let me ask you.
I'm not hurting anyone.
So, I feel like we're like the opposites.
Yeah.
Conservative.
Is your standard for progressivism hedonism?
What is that?
Yeah.
Hedonism.
So it's self-interest.
Yeah.
Can you ask that in a different, like, phrase that differently?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So everybody should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt somebody else.
Yeah, I'm pretty like liberal libertarianism.
Yeah.
I mean, that's very typical.
I think it's good to have some self-control, though.
It's always nice.
Yeah.
I would hope you're not going to be able to do that.
So I'm guessing that you believe in feminism.
You think feminism is great.
Women's liberation, blah, blah, blah, right?
Sure.
Okay.
Just want to clarify your position.
So as you're walking through this and you think to yourself that it's a good idea to be self-interested.
Do you think that you have any greater duties to society or just only a duty to yourself to make yourself happy?
It depends, like to a certain extent, as all things are.
If you give me an example, then I can answer that, but that's super broad.
Yeah, I know.
Well, it's broad, so it should be easy to answer.
Well, yeah, it's so broad that I don't know what you're referring to in specifics.
Do you have any greater duties than to do whatever the fuck you want?
Me personally, I feel like I want to be a good person so that I do.
What is that?
Okay, what?
I like to take care of children.
I like to be nurturing to the people around me.
I like to spend time with my family.
Things like that.
Well, those all sound like self-interest.
Taking care of children?
How is it a self-interest?
It's exhausting.
Taking care of someone else's kids.
How she feels is what makes it self-interested.
She does it because they make her feel good.
Okay, that's fine.
Everybody makes things to help other people.
Yeah, do you help other people, though, because it makes you feel good?
Sure, why not?
No, that's not wear.
Yeah, right.
So, I mean, that would still be self-interesting.
You're trying to walk you in a trap and it's not going to work.
He's trying to say, since you help other people for yourself to feel good, it's a self-interest.
That's true.
Okay, but most Christians always say that you do good morale things because the Bible told you to.
So that's also getting into heaven.
Everything that you do good is an interest of you trying to make it to heaven.
So that's also self-interest in a way.
Why does it matter?
She's also helping other people.
I mean, maybe it could be, but whether it is or it isn't, I'm just trying to figure out what her position is, Kiko.
That's it.
I want to figure out what she thinks in her head before I even I haven't even given a criticism.
I'm just trying to find out what she actually thinks.
Yeah, but you're not going to be able to do that.
So I'm just trying to figure out.
She's a consequentialist, and she believes that the best thing that she can do for society is do all the things that make her feel the best about whatever it is that she's doing.
I think that's what makes a good society.
You had something really quick.
Go ahead.
No, yeah, like going off of what, Kiko and NAE said that Ben, he said, this Andrew guy is funny.
He has a handful of words that make him sound smart, but it's easy to see.
Okay, your boyfriend's not at the table, so we're not going to do a...
I know, I just thought it was funny just because it's kind of like a roundabout argument.
Okay.
Here.
There's a lot of people who aren't going to be able to do that.
What's roundabout about it?
You don't understand, Andrew.
We've gone into circles and circles with you, and we've told you.
Yeah, I know you don't answer questions.
We have.
I mean, I answered the question.
I think it's an audio issue.
You can even answer the question.
You didn't even answer the breakfast question because we don't engage with hypotheticals.
Nobody stuttered here.
Like, are you okay?
Like, maybe get a q tip.
Like, yeah.
No, go get a closer.
Guys, okay, hold on.
Like, what you do is you spurg and you don't answer the question.
Hold on, okay.
Just didn't read an answer.
Hold on.
Jellicoe.
Okay, so for you, you said that you consider yourself a.
This is for Ov Gray.
You're a feminist for the general population, but I'm personally traditional in my own relationship dynamic.
He is the provider and I'm the homemaker.
Yeah.
Okay, so when you say feminist for the general population, feminist how?
So, you know, I believe in egalitarianism.
I think that regardless of gender or gender identity, people deserve to have equal rights as well as the opportunity, as well as the same, what is it called, entitlement to the amendments and the rights that we hold as American citizens.
And, you know, that's just what I believe.
And women have the right to go out and pursue a career and be paid the same amount as men that do the same career.
Me personally, that's what I was saying.
Me personally, for my own dynamic, I've always noticed that I've excelled at being a homemaker.
I'm very, you know, good at cooking, baking, taking care of the person that I love in every way possible, like whatever they need.
Okay, what is a right?
Women should have the freedom to have a career option.
Well, they do.
Second wave feminism.
They do have a second wave equity.
She's talking about second wave feminism.
I have a couple questions, but I know, Andrew, you probably have a couple too.
Yeah, what is a right?
Oh, here we go.
I mean, it depends on the country that you're in, because in America, a right is constituted by the documents that founded this country.
So that's the right thing.
No, but I'm asking, is a right a material thing or an immaterial thing?
Is it just a socially constructed thing, or is it something which we actually have innately given to us by something?
Well, when you say innately given to us by something, would you consider a government as a thing that can give it to someone?
Well, government's just force.
So you just consider rights to be force?
I mean, the government enforces the law and it enforces the right for all citizens to have the right to happiness, equality, freedom of speech.
You don't have to.
So absent that force, do you have a right?
I'm sorry?
So absent that force, do you have a right?
Different thing.
Absent of that force, do you have a right?
Well, a society is maintained by government.
So, I mean, if there is no government, then I suppose I don't have a quote-unquote right because there is no government to enforce that right.
So then why do you believe in rights if they don't actually objectively exist?
What you actually believe in is force, right?
Well, why do you believe in rights?
Nope.
Please.
Wait, what?
I'm sorry, say that again.
Well, why do you believe in rights if they don't exist?
I still didn't hear the question.
I'm sorry.
Can you hear me?
Okay.
Yeah, I can hear you better.
She asked, why do you believe in rights?
Yeah, don't answer my question with a question.
Answer the question.
You've been doing that to us the whole time.
Come on.
No, I'll answer your question.
I'm going to answer mine first and then.
Here, let me, okay, let me ask this.
So, I mean, you mentioned.
When you get to the heart of a thing, what people always want to do is they want to divert because they don't have the answer by asking you a question.
You can ask me whatever you want, and I'll answer whatever you guys ask.
And I have the entire night.
Never been a direct question, but I haven't answered.
But please answer mine.
Why do you believe in something that doesn't objectively exist by your own metrics?
Why do you have this belief in it?
This way I can get to the core of what you actually think.
I did not define my metrics, but I do believe in things that are immaterial, such as the presence of a deity, which is my God, the Christian God.
And that's just me personally, something that I believe in.
If I believe that there is a right despite the force of it, then that's just what I believe.
And is that what you believe, that your rights are deity-given?
They're not deity-given.
They're societally given.
Okay, well, then why did you bring up a deity?
I'm talking about the idea of that.
No, because you're asking me to send me value.
You're asking me if I can believe in something that's immaterial, that's not like in front of me physically.
So yes, I do believe in something that's not in front of me visibly.
Yeah, but that's not a right, right?
You don't believe in a right, which isn't physically there.
You believe in a deity, which isn't physically there.
Fine.
I'll grant you the deity you believe in that's not physically there.
But you don't actually believe in rights then.
You believe in force ultimately, right?
No, I believe in rights.
I believe in the right to freedom of speech.
I mean, there are so many.
What is the point?
Yeah, what is the point of this conversation?
I'm just getting where we're going.
Because it gets to the heart of feminism, which is actually about enforcement, not about rights.
Because you guys said that you think that women have X amount of rights and that those rights should be given to all women.
So when we get down to it, are we talking about something which is an immaterial subjective metric?
Or are we talking about force?
That's why I'm asking these questions.
It's not only immaterial if at that time that men had the right to do it and women didn't.
So it was written down.
It was, that's what they were fighting against.
Yeah.
Great.
They weren't trying to make up their paper.
The piece of paper's there.
The words are written on the piece of paper.
Those things exist objectively.
But the right that you're actually enforcing, is it really just force that we're talking about?
Or is it something else?
Is there something else tangible outside of force that makes a right a right?
When you refer to right, can you specify what you mean?
Well, I define a right as being an entitlement absent duty.
It's like a right to vote, right?
Yeah, that would be an entitlement absent duty.
You don't have to vote.
So you're saying the right to vote.
You can if you want to.
There's no duty to do so, but you could do it if you chose to.
So the right to vote is a force of.
Well, it's not force.
It would be an entitlement absent duty.
There would just be that the force portion would be the enforcement that you can do it.
Okay, so what's so it's bad that woman wanted the enforcement that they could be?
Do you want to make a claim about it being bad or good right now?
I'm just trying to figure out what's going on.
I'm trying to get your point.
Well, we're just trying to figure out what your point is.
I have some questions.
Well, we can get into why my point is this.
I want to hear more about that.
My point is to say this over here.
Oh my gosh.
Here's everyone keeping money.
Oh my gosh, free.
Hashtag free the after.
I got a couple questions.
Okay, so, I mean, I asked you, feminist how, for the general population, you mentioned women should be paid equally, but you also want to be provided for.
Question, do you pay any rent?
Did you live with your boyfriend?
Well, when I was living by myself, I paid rent, but now he provides, and I take care of him.
So you live at his apartment or you have an apartment together?
We have a cabin and two apartments.
You have two, and does he pay for all of them?
I'm sorry?
Yes, he pays for everything, Brian.
Yeah, he pays for everything.
Okay, he pays for everything.
Does he pay for trips?
Yes.
Does he pay for food?
Yes.
Okay.
Now, do you think there's a fair amount of women who also want that, the same thing?
That also want a provider?
Sure.
Okay.
Well, I'll go around the table on this.
So going around the table, do you want 50-50 or do you want a guy to be a provider?
I think I want to be a stay-at-home mom, so probably provider.
Provider.
Provider.
I just want a partner.
Into the mics, guys.
Partner.
50-50.
50-50.
Into the mics.
Sorry.
Partner.
I have one.
Provider.
I would love to be a stay-at-home mother.
A provider, because my role is as a homemaker.
Okay.
A provider.
Okay, so pretty much everyone here except for, was it one?
Just maybe two of you.
We're fine with 50-50.
So you mentioned this inequality when it comes to money, right?
The wage gap, which has been debunked.
Based off of just your answers, now there's a whole bunch of factors that go into the wage gap.
For example, men work more dangerous jobs.
They're more likely to work overtime.
They're more likely to relocate.
They work more hours.
They go into different fields than women.
And that's all choice, right?
These are choices that people make.
One of the big things that occurs to me on this whole like wage gap thing and oh, women should make the same amount of money as men.
And why is it that men occupy all these positions of power and the top paying jobs and the C-suite when it comes to corporations, executive jobs, so forth?
Could it be, given all of your answers here, that you want a provider, that men have a mating pressure on them, a very real mating pressure that does not exist in women.
So if there's like a large cohort of women, again, some women are okay with 50-50.
I don't know what the exact breakdown is.
Maybe it's 40%, 50%, 60% of women want a guy to be a provider.
They want a sole breadwinner.
Then wouldn't that on its own explain why men occupy these top positions of power, why they make more money than women?
Because there's a pressure on them from women that that same pressure does not exist on any of you.
Any of you can find a guy and probably that guy will not give a fuck about your career.
Like he won't really factor in the money that you're bringing to the relationship.
We don't represent the entire female population.
Right, but I said even if it's 20% of women want a provider and all the other women want 50%, that is statistically significant enough to put enough pressure on men to be more motivated and more inclined to be providers, to go make a fuck ton of money, to go out and conquer and conquest and get those top echelon positions in society.
In addition to just the money, women are also attracted to status.
So powerful men, men at the top echelons of corporations, government, women are attracted to status.
Men don't really care about status.
So I mean, I think that kind of, it's just your whole, the reason I'm bringing it up, you're making this point of feminist for the general population, but I'm personally traditional.
You can't have this like massive push for like, men and women need to make the exact same amount of money, but I'll only date a guy who makes more money than me.
But the wage gap, but also I like high status men with good paying jobs and I want him to be the sole breadwinner.
If there's enough women that are putting this mating pressure on men, then of course men are going to go out and we are going to inevitably end up in those high paying jobs and we're going to take the positions of power.
The patriarchy.
You act like both those things can't coexist at the same time though.
Could have women who want to be CEOs and then how men are CEOs.
I get your point of what you're trying to make, but if anything, bless you, I think it has more to do with still overcoming parts of history.
Not saying that women are allowed to run for those positions, but they're still getting out of the mindset of where they believe that they can.
Men are more motivated to get, broadly speaking, generally speaking.
I don't know about this.
If men are more motivated, why are more women in higher education?
Because feminism has rigged the game.
It's rigged the system to basically all through, even if you look at how they've rewired.
I don't know the specifics on this.
Maybe Andrew has something on this.
how they've kind of changed to some degree how education is done starting even at the kindergarten level to sort of, I don't know if pander is the right word, but to cater to the more female way of learning.
And there's all kinds of, nothing's occurring to me that I can give you an example.
But with like ADHD and stuff, like it doesn't help people.
I can answer this actually.
Affirmative action, for example.
Since 1979, there's been more women going to college and graduating from college.
That's almost, so that's, what, 40 plus years, more women have been going to college than men.
We've done this through affirmative action.
There's more scholarships for women.
Okay.
More scholarships for women.
I've never seen that.
Women can conform easier in a classroom than men.
What's that?
I don't think that it's like the school system's rigged for women.
think that women can just conform to it better I mean there's certainly like better I mean you don't really pin or you pin what Like ADHD, you get underdiagnosed with women because women can just kind of deal with it.
Mask it.
Well, I mean, there's a lot of people.
But when it comes to that, I mean, you have certainly an over-representation of women when it comes to elementary school teachers.
And typically, so women have an in-group bias for women.
I think it's more of like social, like, I don't know, just better adapting to like social environments.
Well, and I also think men need to, or boys, you know, they've, I don't know, I'm not super privy to this, but I think boys probably need more breaks to like go out and do PE.
But it's, I don't think, honestly, I don't think anyone is meant to sit in a chair and listen to somebody else speak for like nine hours.
I could be wrong on that one.
But I think school education, its purpose, is to basically prepare you to be a good worker drone, a worker slave.
Okay, sit here, shut up, listen, do what you're told, do this fucking bullshit task.
America and China have the longest school days.
Most schools in other countries are only four to six hours.
So and then God forbid they even teach us anything we need to know.
But it's just so interesting.
We only have school because people need to go to work.
Wait, oh, going around the table on this.
Do you consider yourself a feminist?
No.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Nope.
No.
Not in the sense that's being spoken at this podcast.
Not a blue-haired school.
Not this new wave.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
I'm an anti-feminist.
I think it's just a little bull.
I wouldn't go that far from my personality.
Thanks.
Anai.
Anai.
You said you want a provider.
Sophia, you said you wanted a provider, right?
So how do you reconcile being a feminist?
Hold on, let me just ask the question.
I said how before.
I'll ask you again, though.
How do you reconcile being a feminist, but also expecting a guy to be a provider and pay for everything and pay for first dates?
Just because I want everybody to have equity doesn't mean I can't have a provider.
It's like, I don't, I'm not saying like, oh, every woman should label themselves as a feminist.
Not like this wish, he said, like a blue-haired feminist like I, very much like.
I guess there's.
There's that stereotype that feminists like, oh, they don't shave, they don't do they don't, they're not submissive, but yes, they can be.
And I feel like we're both like that.
When you say equity yes, what do you?
What do you?
When you say equity, what do you mean by equity?
We can have equity even though I have a provider and I'm not doing the providing that.
You don't have to make a relationship equal.
Yeah, so what's meant by that?
What do you think about you placed on myself by like, oh, I want to raise children or cook dinner at night for my husband?
That could also be like providing a lot of people.
What about that is equitable?
That it should be the same value should be placed on both.
You need both to like have a nice running household.
Yeah.
So do you think that the value of the woman raising children is equal to the value of the man working?
Yes.
Children are very exhausting.
It's a lot of people.
Extremely dangerous tasks.
Okay.
If she babysits, I was babysitting for a while.
I still kind of do babysit.
Do you know how much a babysitter gets paid?
A lot of money.
About $12 an hour?
No.
How much do you say?
Much, much more.
He says $12 an hour.
No.
It's not like more than that.
Plus, I would get paid extra for cleaning.
I would help a lot in the households that I was working in.
Do you think the woman is getting paid for that?
No, that is hours and hours of unpaid labor.
That's why when you have two full-time working people who have two full-time demanding jobs, they usually have what?
A nanny.
They have to pay someone to do those jobs that the woman can no longer do because that mother is working a full-time job by raising those children.
When you were babysitting those children, how old were they?
Babies and all ages, actually.
I've babysat so many ages.
And as children get older, they need less and less attention, correct?
That's a normal attack.
I was watching this.
No, not at all.
What do you mean?
What do you mean?
You think a 12-year-old?
There's obviously a time where you want to raise, like, started at a new stage.
But it's age without values.
But still, you need to be taken care of.
You need to be taught.
You need to have guidance in life.
Yeah, but you're sending your kid off to a public school.
You're not going to get a bad thing.
Even a teenager needs guidance and needs a parent.
Yeah, you get guidance to get a parent, but you outsource most of it by sending them to school.
For example, right?
Hang on.
Let me finish.
For most of the day, you send the child off to a public school.
So that's bad parenting if you're not raising your kids.
As an example, right, Andrew?
So I want to have at least like three kids, right?
About four years apart.
So I might have one kid in full school, but I'm still going to have one kid that needs to be home, right?
You might have a kid that's sick one day.
You might have a kid that you're taking this kid to soccer practice at this time and then taking up to field trip at this time.
And then I want to be like the mom that's like the PTA.
Yeah, the BTA moms.
The BTA mom.
So I'm going to be there.
I want to be making lunch in the cafeteria for my kids.
I'm going to take them on their field trips.
Yeah, that's not, it doesn't just stop once your kid reaches kindergarten.
And also you have multiple kids.
I have multiple.
My kids are going to be doing a lot of shit.
So I'm going to be with my point.
That's why they love children as they get older.
You don't neglect children once they get to school age.
You don't stop taking care of your kids.
That's not my point.
Let me reiterate it one more time.
Children require less attention the older they get.
Yes or no?
I don't agree.
No, no.
If you're being a good parent, then no.
Maybe once you're out of my house, once you're out of my house, you're 18.
But no, you should be able to do that.
None of you have children.
No, but we're bad.
They're not working.
They need more attention when they're in the chat.
I've worked.
You think the stupidest thing I want to say is that you can't have an opinion on a kid unless you have your own kid.
We were all kids.
We all experienced children.
Not that long ago.
I'm sorry.
You being a teenager was like years and years and decades and decades ago.
But we were teenagers like one, two, three years ago.
Sorry about that.
Listen.
It doesn't seem like you were raising it.
Oh, yeah, it doesn't sound like you're doing a good job.
An infant obviously requires far more attention than a 12-year-old.
Sometimes that's not even true.
They take naps for special time.
What if you're crazy?
I know, no, but that's like a bad thing.
Okay, now you want to say overall yes.
What if you have an easy thing?
I was a perfect.
I know, but yeah, but you could have a perfect baby, right?
It could be the blessing.
They sleep through the night, everything, and then an incident happens.
Or what if they need that?
You realize when they're older that they had autism and you weren't dealing with it.
You could have a child forever.
What if you have a child with special needs?
Because your exceptions have nothing but a bad thing.
But every day, he's bringing it up.
What if a meteorite came out of the sky and hit somebody?
We're not talking about extreme outliers.
It's a difference because the man has to go to work forever and the woman, oh, once the kid's up, it's not the same amount of work and effort.
But that's not true all the time.
You never know.
You can't just say that.
Stop going for the extreme outlier.
There is nothing young children.
Do you think, generally speaking, that an infant requires more attention than a 12-year-old?
Okay, so what do you do in the hold on?
Just answer the fucking question.
How hot could this be?
Answer the fucking bush chances.
What do you do in the summer then?
What do you do in the summer then?
So I'm going to have that 12-year-old the whole summer, right?
I'm going to have that baby the whole summer, right?
I'm going to have that 10-year-old the whole summer.
I already answered it three times.
I said fucking no.
I said fucking no.
I said fucking no like three times.
I think you would clean your fucking body.
Then that's three times that you're delusional.
Oh my god.
Three times as delusional because you heard the first guy.
You said it.
How could you possibly believe that an infant requires less attention than a 12-year-old?
13 years old.
I didn't say less.
I said the same.
You're sending the 13, 14-year-old off, the 12-year-old off to a public school for eight to 10 hours a day.
Okay, nine hours a day.
I didn't know public school was 365 days a day.
They can't even respond with their needs.
You have to anticipate what their needs are.
They can't respond to them.
Yeah.
They can't even tell you what they need.
Say you do send the kid off to school or whatever.
Okay, how long is school?
Till 12 for most kids.
And then if they're four, five, six years old.
Till 12?
Yeah, like 12.
If they're like four years old, that's like the earliest you can send them to a public school.
It like gets out at 12.
Okay, you pick them up.
Keep some.
You have, you have, okay, and then what?
The other kid gets out at one point.
You go to the babysitter usually.
Both parents are working, right?
No, not a few people.
Not a lot of people can.
That was the whole point.
The whole point.
Yeah, the whole point here, what we're talking about is that the woman is staying home and is the one, the caretaker of the children and the household.
And then she has noon.
Let me finish, Andrew.
Let me finish because you're actually pissing me off because you don't know how to just shut up and listen to the girls.
Like, you think you're this man?
I've been talking about this.
You think you're this big man that can just interrupt us and it's getting fucking annoying.
Like, just shut up.
Nobody gives you shit what you think, you stupid scared.
No, that's like so many times.
You're saying that?
How fucking old are you talking to a 21-year-old guy?
Banks, Andrew Banks.
Childish as fuck.
Put your swords away.
Listen, you are bringing a children.
You're intimidated.
I'm going to pull the same shit I did with MLD.
You're intimidated.
Listen to the girls.
Girls don't even make any sense.
This one girl over here just got done telling me that an infant.
Thank you.
When it comes to an infant, they require less attention.
I never said fucking less.
You guys had to say less.
I never said the same.
God damn.
And said it three times.
Made sure to say no three times.
Okay, moving on.
Moving on.
That was eventful.
That was an eventful conversation.
I'm really disappointed.
Going back to Of Grey over here.
My final thoughts on the whole of gray.
Of gray.
Like, of gray.
Of like OF, but make it sound like a V a little bit.
I don't know.
Maybe you should change your fictional name.
It was actually O.F.
It was actually O.F. Gray.
And people thought that I had an OnlyFans.
Yeah.
Yeah, so it's of gray.
Just say of gray.
Full story.
So, okay.
I just, the whole like feminist, but for the general population, but I'm personally traditional in my own relationship dynamic.
It's like modernity when it benefits you.
And tradition when it benefits you.
So typically the way that looks is modernity for women, tradition for men.
Men have to adhere to their traditional gender roles while you guys can continue being modern women, dressing provocatively, doing sex work.
How is it?
sex work okay first of all she's saying that she's literally it's She just understands that not everybody wants what she has.
Some people want to.
Let her talk.
Because you're not listening to what she's saying.
She said it multiple times and you guys aren't understanding that.
No, but it's hard for me to wrap my head around it because it's like.
Stop, Kika.
Let me finish.
You want to be a modern woman when it benefits you, and you want tradition when it benefits you.
Who are you referring to?
All y'all, sort of.
No, I said I still, I would still be traditional.
Wait, but you said you're like super progressive and bowed.
Because they understand that.
They want that, but those three right there are people.
I just literally even said I bowed.
I can fix you.
No, you can't.
I'm absolutely stubborn.
Wait, what?
I'm extremely stubborn.
You cannot.
I can correct you.
I think that everything's like people just do their own thing.
If you want to be a certain religion, be a certain religion, whatever.
I never said that I wouldn't be traditional.
I literally said my job is like raising.
I'll get about one of these.
I'm just like with my children over the summer.
I was raising.
Yeah, I was basically raising children until I came onto this podcast.
Who made me struggle with raising children?
Yes, you don't know what to do.
Wait, wait, raising children.
You don't know what the fuck I was doing.
You don't know what the fuck I was doing.
So who the fuck are you to say that I'm raising?
Yeah.
That's a terrible piece.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
I didn't know that you were sitting on the wall behind my fucking lady.
All right, all right.
We get it.
Some nannies and babysitters.
I was literally getting called mom.
I was getting called mom.
Give me the fucking mallet.
Give me the judge mallet.
Hold on.
Okay, but.
Hey, listen, everyone.
Can we please yield to Brian when he's like, try this thing?
Yeah, you guys probably know.
Sure.
You guys got your money.
Brian's having a great time.
I've got my fucking judge mallet here.
So if I slam on this, y'all shut the fuck up, okay?
It's like order.
Order.
I've been on here like nine times.
I've never seen this.
I have to answer you guys.
What's the costume?
What?
Order in the fucking toxic podcast studio.
What's the fit about?
Did you like it?
No.
I think it could be better.
Can you change colors?
Blue and yellow.
So I will tell you guys what this costume is.
You can bring Andrew back.
Bring him back.
Okay, there's the mallet.
This is a Chilean military uniform.
Why do you have it?
Let's just say I've got Connects.
Listen, I'm a well-traveled man.
I'm a well-traveled man.
I've been to South America.
And I could, now that I have this, though, I'm actually, I'm probably barred.
I probably can't go to Chile because you actually, it's only the military is supposed to.
Yeah, how'd you get it?
I trafficed it.
You probably can't suppose.
So this is a Chilean military uniform, Chile.
It's a country in South South South.
I don't know.
I'm just, some people don't know.
They might think that's in the Middle East somewhere.
Who knows?
Now, you might be wondering, Brian, it looks a little bit like a sort of more Prussian uniform.
Excuse me, I know.
I will say, though, that Chile, starting in the early 1900s, maybe even the late 1800s, their military was very influenced by the Prussian style of military dress and the way that they kind of organized their military.
He donated $200.
Oh, he's bad.
I saw in the comments that five kids and respect.
Homeschool pits are always the weirdest.
Wait, you can show up.
I was home schooled.
Kids, kids, kids up for the best.
I was home schooled.
I was like, I like the end of this decision.
That's so cute.
All right, so going to Avgre here.
Yeah.
You said I learned that.
No, but to answer your question, you said how can you want to be traditional but then want for other women to have the equality of wage and opportunities as well?
But let me add to that.
Sort of, but like, so one of the big pushes when it came to feminism, yes, we can talk about like rights bestowed upon you by the government and equal access to various things and the ability to work, although it's not clear to me like to the degree to which women were barred from the workforce and just certain biological realities throughout history and the fact, you know, there's a whole bunch of things there.
But even like one of the big pushes that feminism does, it's like, let's do away with gender rules.
Gender rules are a bad thing.
Men and women are the same.
That's a big push from feminism.
So that's where I get confused because it's like, okay, we shouldn't view women in these sorts of ways.
And you can say it's all about just from the government down when it comes to rights and stuff.
But a big feminist push was we need to view women, not even from a legal perspective, but from like a societal perspective as in XYZ ways.
But we haven't changed that for men.
Like, for example, if you want true equality, there would be, for example, a push for women to, in a dating context, for women to be initiators, for women to make the first move, for women to be willing and prepared to pay for the first date.
There's a biological reason that that's not the case, though.
You're putting yourselves in harm's way a lot of the time.
Wait, what?
Well, now that I know what you're asking date rape is, what the hell is that?
Sorry, I didn't mean to say that word, but go ahead with your point.
Now that I know what you're asking, I think it is absolutely possible for people to be in the same universe as those that want traditional roles and those that might want untraditional roles.
And it has nothing to do with quote-unquote biological differences as you were saying, which I understand that there are biological differences between men and women.
Absolutely, there are.
But I'm just saying that that wouldn't impact my decision making because in my opinion, and I say this with emphasis, in my opinion.
Okay, hold on.
Say your opinion.
Then I got go ahead.
No, go ahead.
No, no, no, go ahead.
In your opinion, go ahead.
In my opinion, I think that women are capable of both homemaking as well as being able to provide for a family if they so wanted to, if they have the proper education to.
But that was also something that was granted to women later on.
Okay, here, let me ask you guys a question.
Hold on, I'm going to ask you a question.
So those of you who said that men should be providers and men should, you'd want a guy to pay for you on the first date, will you take your husband's last name?
I will hyphenate.
Yes.
Yes, what?
Yes, I will take my name.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I want my family to have all the one last name.
So no hyphenation.
Oh, if I get married, absolutely.
Hold on.
Absolutely, you'll hyphen it.
Oh, I'll absolutely take his last name.
Okay.
Yeah, I would take it.
Yeah.
The microphone could be closer, but just you.
I'm about the family.
Yeah, I would have been down, but my mom did that, and my parents ended up getting divorced.
I'm just going to drop my middle name.
Andrew, do you have anything on this on the on this?
On which on which topic?
Like the feminist, but also traditional thing?
Yeah, well, it's always curious to me.
That's why I was kind of drilling in earlier on the idea of rights.
So when you're talking about feminism, kind of you should make a notation that most men also in the United States couldn't vote.
Almost no men could.
Suffrage was something which came later, was not a foundational principle.
And I'm trying to figure out why it is that you think women's liberation is so great.
Why do you think feminism is awesome?
Because they got us here to where it is, to where we are now.
Men did.
Yeah, but good for the women.
Why do so many women make a decision today about not having equal rights to men?
I'm not complaining.
Yeah, I just want to get it out of it.
We're not saying that we are complaining.
We're saying that we're in a conversation with a different type of feminist.
Yeah, that's not the blueer feminist.
That's not what they are.
That's not what I'm saying.
I think it's the same type of egalitarian principle.
So I think the first and second wave led to the third and fourth wave, and that the principles are in essence the same.
So I don't think that there's this massive distinction between fourth and third wave feminism to first and second.
I don't think that it's just about voting.
I think it's about a move towards these kinds of egalitarian principles, which I largely reject.
I think most of the feminists that I know are more of like, we don't see, I don't see myself as equal to a man.
I know obviously he's stronger than me, and there's a lot of differences between us biologically.
It's more so that women wanted the option if they wanted to have their own education or be by themselves or go 50-50.
That's the whole point is just to have that option.
Because before, you had no choice but to get married and have kids with a man.
And then if it went south, there was no escape for women.
That's what most women always think about.
That's what is an escape for women.
Like this is the bad thing.
No, now she could be by herself and get divorced and started.
No, that's true.
This is a bad part of feminism.
And I've said this so many times when I've been on this podcast when they asked me like, oh, like what does a feminist mean to you?
It means doing whatever the fuck you want to do without society.
That sounds right.
Without society, without society being like, okay, well, you're not a traditional woman.
You're a cat lady, crazy cat lady.
No, fuck that.
Like, I don't want to be, I don't want anybody to have that fucking shit.
Right, you want to just be able to do whatever the fuck you want.
Yes, period.
Thank you, Andrew.
You don't finally refer yourself to the family.
There are consequences to your action freedom.
There are consequences to your action.
Exactly.
Yeah, exactly.
My consequence.
What is my consequence for like defining myself as a feminist?
Well, it's not just the feminist label.
It's having, how do I say this?
If you are about, like, the sexual liberation thing and having multiple, like, all these partners, there are consequences to that.
Yeah, it leads towards, she actually is making a good point here.
That's like.
This leads towards societal decay.
That's it's not my business what other people do with their body.
If they want, not me personally, I wouldn't be sleeping around, but if another person wants to be sleeping around and call it liberation, then to hell with that.
They can do whatever the fuck they want to do.
I'm nobody to be like, oh, well, you're a whore for fucking wanting to sleep with 10,000 people.
But what's wrong if somebody does call them?
Why is that problematic in your worldview?
Because it's mean?
Yes.
Thank you, Andrew.
So for me, I don't care if they get called a whore, but that kind of thing.
It doesn't solve any issue.
You're a whore?
Yes, you're a whore.
That's a whore.
It is true, but they have to do that.
Social shaming and social stigma solves issues.
It's not going to solve issues.
It solves nothing.
Andrew, what do you gain?
What do you gain?
What are you talking about?
Let me ask you: what do you gain from coming on here and calling me a skank?
Do you gain anything?
Do you get a little pat on the back?
Part of the way.
So, what happens is what you have to do, unfortunately, in the modern society that you're dealing with, where there's tons of decay, is when somebody hits you, you have to hit them back harder.
That's the way it generally seems to work, unfortunately.
Now, if you had behaved yourself and been a good girl, I wouldn't have had a lot of people who are not.
Don't call me that.
Oh, no.
Instead, you had to mouth off and be bitched.
So, I just had to talk to you.
I could talk to you.
Right?
That's how it works.
Let me ask you.
Let's not insult.
Guys, let's not insult people.
He didn't insult people.
He got up here and caught me.
No, that's what I'm saying.
Bombs against drunk driving dumb broads.
Wait, what?
Yeah.
He didn't call me driving dumb broads.
When they did that, sir, I'm going to tell you something.
Green mothers, grieving.
You're coming from a place of great insecurity.
No, it sucks that you have somebody to behave like this.
Yeah, I've never met an adult.
I work for men that are probably the same age, probably even younger than you, and I've never had them call me a dumb skank.
I know.
They treat me with respect.
That's my whole purpose.
They treat me with respect, and I've never met with that.
Let me finish.
Let me finish.
I've never had a lot of people.
If I stigma existed, then women would have much better behavioral patterns in society.
So just because I didn't behave the way you wanted me to behave, I am therefore a skank.
That to you, that makes sense in your head.
Your frontal lobe is fully developed, sir.
The fact that you're over here calling a 21-year-old liberation.
You're calling a 21-year-old girl a skank.
You're calling a 21-year-old girl a skank.
Like, are you going to call your 21-year-old daughter a skank?
21-year-old.
Would you like it if a man called, if a fucking man called your 21-year-old daughter a skank?
Do you think that's the way?
Being a skank, it would be the best corrective reasoning you could have.
You're on a gospel head.
You are not a good father, and your children are going to blow up to hate you.
It just sucks because you sometimes do have some good points, but when you talk like this to people, they will never have to do that.
They're not going to be worried than you.
They don't hate me.
You could say the most intelligent thing, but if you're not going to be able to do that, I'm trying to help you guys.
Trying to help me not call me a skank.
Well, the problem is that you've been as combative as you can possibly be.
If I hit back, you cry.
It's like, where's your feminism?
Where's your awesome feminism?
Why do you whine?
Instead, why don't you have a nice productive debate instead of whining incessantly?
Because you're over here beating insults.
The gavel has come down.
I've stricken the gavel.
Okay.
All right.
There we go.
Nice season.
Yeah, CZ needs a little smoke break.
Andrew, we'll give you a smoke break.
Yeah, Daniel.
We're giving Andrew a smoke break.
Are you indoors?
Are you indoors or you're hoping?
He's parents staying.
You guys stay or is it?
He's chain smoking.
Actually, here's the reality: Andrew used to never smoke before he came on the whatever podcast, but it's so stressful for him to be having these kinds of conversations.
I would believe that.
I actually, I might have to start smoking too.
Do you work out of the studio or are you smoking inside the house where you're kicking?
I spot smoking right next to my kids.
It blowing their fucking face.
Yeah, I do.
Yeah, I wouldn't fucking doubt it.
Now, that's good parenting.
Please so and cut that one up.
All right.
Cut that and put that on TikTok.
Yeah.
God-fearing man.
Like it just, I get your point with something.
He goes over to the cradle.
He goes over to the cradle.
After he robs it, puts his cigarette out on him.
Whoa, It was a kid.
My mom accidentally put a cigarette out of my mouth.
Okay, okay.
Ov Grey, you said you made a Tinder mistake.
Tell us about your Tinder mistake.
Is the pizza on the way?
Yeah, is the pizza coming?
Pizza pizza.
No, you're the pizza.
I love Sam.
Okay, also, Papa John's.
Just to answer the question.
Shaq!
He totally took over.
That was part of me.
I love Shaq.
Is that your?
Papa Johns?
Who is Shaq?
What's the question?
Your Tinder mistake.
Can you tell us about it?
It's a Tinder mistake, yes.
So one of my friends convinced me to download Tinder.
And in the first hour, I got like 900 likes, maybe?
So I just deleted the whole thing.
Like, I'll never go on a dating app again.
I used to be on Bumble Friends and Hinge.
And mostly I was on there just to find people who were in Eldering and League of Legends because like Bumble Friends.
But yeah, I'll never go on a dating app again.
So you downloaded Tinder, you got over 900 likes in the first hour, and you said it was too overwhelming for you.
So then you just deleted it.
And you didn't go on any dates, I'm assuming.
From the dating?
I did go on, I think, three dates from Tinder?
From Bumble.
Oh, from Bumble.
um i actually did split 50 50 like i was never i even offered every single time because like they're they're putting in the same amount of effort i would say as i am like They got ready, so did I. We're both investing our own time.
So, you know, even though I am looking for a provider personality, I respect that we're both putting in the effort to reach out to other people and make those connections.
Okay, going around the table on this.
Have you guys had similar experiences on dating apps where you Tinder, for example, or any dating app that you've been on?
You download it, and almost instantly you're just flooded with likes and matches.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I feel like that's all girls, yeah.
Sorry.
Have you been on dating apps?
Yeah, recently.
Recently?
After your recent breakup?
Yeah.
Wait, which was when again?
Maybe two weeks ago?
Maybe like a week and a half.
Oh, this is, wait, question.
You broke up with him.
Wait, he broke up with you or you broke up with him?
I broke up with him.
You broke up with him?
Okay.
Oh, two weeks ago, you said?
Probably.
I don't remember.
Have you talked to him since?
No.
Okay, good for you.
I've cut community.
A lot of people do this like breakup thing, but they keep talking.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, it's supposed to be a really long relationship.
It's kind of something you can't like.
So, but you have to fully.
Wait, hold on.
How long have you been?
How long were you dating him?
Three years?
Was it?
Probably longer.
Longer than three years?
Yeah.
And you, when did you download the dating app?
Right, like immediately after you guys split?
Yeah, like a couple days.
Oh, you can do split, or no, I don't think you can do split on this.
Three days.
So like four-year relationship, 10 times.
like a long process i would honestly say sorry I would honestly say we probably broke up like much before that, but we were still like hanging out and like kind of dating.
And then it was kind of like, okay, I need to just cut it off.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it was like a longer process.
I see.
Okay.
Yeah.
We've already gone through the after-breakup kind of process.
Yeah, I was almost like already going through that like.
So you've been on Tinder.
Have you gone on any dates?
but you've gotten like bombarded with is it just tinder Any other dating apps?
No, just Tinder.
Just Tinder.
How many matches do you think you've gone in the past?
Matches?
Very few.
Very few?
Yeah.
Oh, that's because you're picky.
You're not swiping all.
Okay.
Gotcha.
What about you?
Have you had that experience on dating apps?
Just a ton of...
Because I was brutally honest on the last time I had a dating profile.
Because my boyfriend and I are, we kind of started weird.
Like we weren't together.
We were just living together.
Okay.
But it became more like official that we are exclusive with each other because we've never slept with anybody else since 2020.
But I still was like, the way I phrased it was on Hinge.
I said, this was my profile, the gist.
Cam girl who's in love with her roommate and just seeing if there's anyone out there that I like.
And the because men are reasonable, they're like, nope, nope, good for them.
They should not be into that.
Men aren't reasonable.
No, they are.
They are.
In the country.
They're reasonable.
In the country.
Country men who are out where I live, they're ranchers.
They're stuff like that.
So they're men and they're reasonable.
But at the same time, the ones that were interested in me still, it was the ick factor.
Like, why?
Why?
That's gross.
Like, why would you want me?
That's disgusting.
Like, I'm in love with my roommate.
So, uh.
It was a lose lady.
This is confusing.
So that's my current boyfriend, the roommate.
You met him on Tinder?
No, we met through mutual friends.
Have you had that experience on dating apps?
You get on a dating app almost instantly, you've got like a hundred likes, matches.
Yeah, but I hate dating apps.
Not a fan.
What about you?
Yeah, I've had that, but I don't like dating apps either.
Can you scoot your mic to the edge of the table, guys?
Yes, overwhelmingly.
So sorry, John, if you see this.
The guy I'm just recently seen, honestly.
I just happened to open his message first and was way too overwhelmed with the other matches and just went on the date and didn't even.
And when I'm giving my attention to a guy, it's only going to be one guy.
It will never be shared.
So even if it's just a one date, I'm not going to be spending time on that.
Yeah, so definitely overwhelming on that.
Well, we know you had 900 matches in the first hour.
Just delete it after that.
Priya, have you had that experience on dating apps?
No, no dating apps.
Oh, you've never been on the dating app?
Okay, good for you.
Good for you.
Yeah, that shit's crazy.
So, I mean, women have dating on easy mode.
Thoughts?
No, I'm not sure if those people want to just dating.
Yeah, because it's like a moment.
I was going to say, it's like men, they're so worried about like, fuck, am I going to have to pay today?
When it's like, when you're the woman and then you're like, putting on physically disadvantaged.
Yeah, and then you're like, I mean, I'm not thinking about paying on the first day.
I'm thinking about my safety.
I'm putting my location on.
Yeah.
My friends know where I am.
Sending them outfit videos, making sure they know what I'm wearing in case I get kidnapped.
It really sucks.
Yeah.
And it's like men don't really have to worry about that.
But it's like our life is on.
It might be easy to do.
Yeah, but like violence in a dating con, like, that's pretty rare.
It's okay, but here it is.
Like, we can talk about these, like.
You're going to say that violence, more violent attacks happen to men.
No, that's not.
Well, that's true, but that's not what I'm really trying to get at.
I'm like trying to have a conversation about dating, and you guys want to take it to like a moment.
That's the reality percentage-wise.
Do you think like most first dates, like what percentage of first dates do you think the woman is being assaulted in some way?
Oh, it's low.
It's low.
It's got to be very low.
It just happens.
But it's not worth having a conversation over.
It's not even worth having.
Not here.
It's the hottest.
I'm not saying, hold on.
Stop, stop, stop.
I'm not saying that's a good thing.
And sure, we can have those conversations, but like I'm trying to have a conversation about like the more generalized dating meta.
And if we can, if you guys want to talk about, well, women, we have like, no.
When I'm saying women have dating on easy mode, I'm removing these scenarios where there's some sort of criminal component.
Your question is, okay, won't you get dates easier?
Yeah, y'all got that.
Bro, it's so you got it.
You got that show on easy mode.
It's like literally on recruit mode.
Dates, maybe, but you already said that men hold the key to dating.
Dates?
No.
You already said that.
You said that earlier.
So what I've said was...
That we hold the key to sex and you guys hold the key to dating.
To some degree, although I would argue for...
I would actually argue that for...
So I think it often goes, women hold...
Women are the arbiters of sex and men are the arbiters of relationships.
Women control access to sex.
Men control access to relationships.
Now, I actually, I'm not entirely like really, hold on, let me finish.
Really attractive, I would say maybe like top tier, really attractive dudes.
They obviously are going to, because there's a lot of women like chasing after relationships with really attractive dudes, and those chicks are never going to get it.
I would say, though, for the average dude, when it comes to his dating prospects, he's probably going to be not have control in that realm either.
The woman's still going to have control, I think, in that realm.
What I say to that is maybe you should teach all the men watching your podcast to stop sleeping with every woman they see then.
And if you guys, because if you're saying that we hold the key or the arbitrators of sex, you guys could easily be that by not sleeping with every woman you see.
No, but that's a very small, it's a very small proportion of men that are able to do that.
No, I'm not.
No, no, no.
You're saying that, you're saying that, like, okay, if all guys could fuck all women, they would.
But the reality is, is most men are not attractive enough to do that.
Would they?
That's not what I'm saying.
Men will just find the one that's willing to, no matter how they're attractive level, they'll find a woman that's either less attractive or who's just easier to sleep with.
If they have the goal of sleeping with a woman that night, not saying it always happens.
No, hold on.
But they can make it harder.
Hold on.
So here's the reality.
Any woman, if she's so inclined, can be a slut.
Not every man can be a slut.
They can.
No.
My guy friends, the uglier my guy friend, the bigger whore they are.
No, no, no, no.
I'm like, literally, we've had.
They have to prove something to themselves.
No, it's not.
The shorter and the uglier.
How come it's only 20% of men who are able to have sex right now?
What's the guy?
Where are these people getting taken from?
Pull high La Vista.
Pull High La Vista.
That's what the poll is going to say.
The reality is, if you were to find an obese woman and you're like, go get sex, she could very easily do it.
You can't say the same thing about an obese man.
That's true.
There's no such thing.
There's plenty of fat, ugly sluts, but there's no fat, ugly studs.
No, there's not.
I used to be 250 pounds, so I was kind of like that fat.
Oh, we should tell you.
Well, that seems pretty like an oxymoron.
I mean, how's it an oxymoron?
Fat, ugly studs.
Well, studs is not, isn't that an adjective to me?
Well, I mean, she means change.
Fine, then I'll use there's there's plenty of fat, ugly female sluts, but there's very, very few or almost no fat, ugly male sluts.
That's good, if you prefer that.
No, it's not.
Because I promise you it is.
I'm not saying that that's unattractive to you of like a fat woman or whatever.
I mean, I'm getting sex because the men are allowed.
I mean, they're willing to.
I would argue I'm pretty picky.
I'm fairly picky myself when it comes to the women.
Yeah, maybe you are, but most men are not.
They're not going to date her just because they fuck her.
Some men just don't.
Yeah, I wouldn't say they would.
I'm saying that they're still permissing.
But that doesn't change, like, that doesn't really change the argument when it comes to like an unattractive woman can get laid super easily compared to like a man.
How is does that not follow the same like logic of men just being well?
My position is women have dating on easy mode, and you do.
Because it's easy mode's like a weird way to put it if you're still like fearing safety.
And I understand that you're saying that that's not like that's an extreme, but it's also why women have to be.
I fear my safety when I'm like if I was on a date with you, I'd be like, yo, Like, I don't know, I feel like you might have like you might have a knife on you or something.
You might try to swipe.
Have you stopped?
I'm wondering how many dates you gals have been going on or have gone on.
Please don't assume that you're not going to be able to do it.
Much for your safety in years.
Hold on.
Yeah, no.
All right, Peace in the chat.
I'm hungry.
Hold on.
So bringing it back to you, you said you got 900 swipes in the first hour.
You had 900 swipes in the first hour when you were on Tinder.
You deleted it.
It was too overwhelming.
Do you have a brother?
Yeah.
Why?
How old is he?
No, I say why because like we're always beeping, okay?
So I guess I say this because like you got 900 likes in an hour.
It was too overwhelming and deleted it.
I'm not saying this to be mean, but like your male looks equivalent.
That's why I ask you if you have a brother because that's probably the closest to your male looks equivalent would be a brother.
No, no, we actually do look like twins, but he looks like the male version of me.
How old is he?
He's two years older than me, but he's a very conservative Christian guy.
Okay.
And he does not believe in dating apps.
He only wants to date within the church.
Like he is a lot of people.
Christian mingled.
He is very conservative and Christian.
So in that way, we differ that.
I would say though, like I don't know what your brother looks like, but if you guys are related, you know, maybe you can make some assumptions.
I would argue that your male looks equivalent or your brother, you put, you guys are related, right?
Get the same genes from your mom and dad.
You put him on a dating app.
He's not getting 900 matches in an hour.
Oh, no, you would be surprised because he's getting maybe a couple matches a week, maybe.
In my brother's university, he gets hit on constantly by other women because, I mean, he's, you know, a Korean guy and K-pop, K-dramas have been trending.
And so there's a lot of girls that really like Asian men.
Yeah, there's a lot of guys that like Asian men.
And so he gets hit all the time.
Asian men are being fetishized right now.
Yeah, that's what my new guy is.
I mean, perhaps it's improved a bit, but actually, I mean, the data tends to show that women across, like a lot of women are actually not really paying all that much attention to Asian men.
Well, we're talking about a new phenomenon, and any data you're pulling has to be from at least three years ago.
Oh, yes.
Everything changed.
That's what I'm saying.
It's a very new trend because of K-pop.
You think with social media now, trends happen like fast fashion.
Like, it's all going out.
So, like, all of that is.
fine but i've heard from a lot of asian men i've got some asian male friends and they say like even their own race some race traitor shit a lot of asian women aren't even they don't like I have to say, maybe it's not the fact that they're Asian.
It's the fact of who they are as a person.
I mean, wow, that's kind of a sexist statement there.
No, I'm not saying because they're Asian.
What are you trying to say?
I'm saying the fact that they think women don't want them is because they're Asian.
It's no, they probably don't want them because they're a dick or an idiot.
Are you generalizing about Asian men?
No, if I was generalizing about Asian men, okay, Asian men are stereotyped as the most intelligent men there are, so I wouldn't be saying that they're dumb because they're Asian.
Okay.
Look, I'll just say stereotypes within the world.
We're talking about to the individual Brian.
Can you hear me?
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah, we can.
Hey, it's about two o'clock in the morning here.
Actually, I got to dip out, man.
I'm wondering.
Is it time to end it all?
No, I got it a little bit more.
I'm so hungry.
There's a pizza on the way.
We're starting.
So on the pizza thing, unfortunately, everything is closed.
So I'm going to find another solution.
Andrew, are you?
Domino's is open still, you liar.
I'm trying to think how much I, I'll figure, is it?
Is it?
It's right there.
You're open to like one.
Oh, okay.
I'll figure it out.
Maybe Maddie can run and grab it or something.
Andrew, you got to take off?
I do.
Yep.
I got another show I got to get to tomorrow.
Two in the morning is a little rough.
Well, no, hey, Andrew, thank you for staying with us as long as you did, Andrew.
Really appreciate you joining us.
Guys, please go check out the Crucible on YouTube.
It's Andrew Wilson's channel.
It's going to blow up, guys.
So be sure to go subscribe.
Thank you so much for joining us, Andrew.
We're going to have you back.
Yeah, thanks for having me.
We're going to have you back in the studio, hopefully, when we come back from break.
So we're going to get it done.
Thanks so much, Brian, and thanks, ladies.
Have a great night.
Do you have any final words for anybody?
Thanks, Andrew.
Well, no, I actually enjoyed the exchange with Kiko back and forth.
It was quite good.
Oh, okay.
I'd like to be aware of that.
I'm sorry for reading my voice.
And then to everybody else, I thought most of the panel was pretty good, except for that one blonde chick.
She's kind of dumb, but everybody else is.
Hey, yay, yay, yay.
When have I ever insulted you?
Sir, you are by calling him a saffie male.
I think he left.
Oh, he left.
You can hide it.
No, for a while.
Yo, hide it.
Hide it.
Hide the Discord, Nick.
Hide the Discord.
Hide the Discord.
Yo, see, Andrew.
Thank you, man.
I think I was just getting so irritated with how loud it was behind my head.
I hope it wasn't peaking the audio, but all the viewers at the beginning.
It was so loud.
I almost think I'm like kind of scared that the audio is fucked.
Like that shit behind me.
I should have maybe.
Everybody in the chat said it was okay.
I feel like the chat would have been complaining.
They would have.
I think the chat would have been complaining if the chat had was the audio like was Andrew peeking?
No, they would have been fucking crying wolf complaining chat.
Was the audio peaking at all?
Or Nick, are you able to do?
You have the?
Oh, you want me to pull it up?
Sorry, I'm with my yeah, we have a couple more things and then we're gonna it's all.
We have a couple more things and then we're gonna try to wrap up here.
Pretty, what's that out of discord?
Uh you, you can close discord.
We're not.
We're not gonna.
Um, people are saying audio was fine, chat audio, one in the chat.
If the audio was was fine, it wasn't.
Like it's not.
Is peaking the word it's?
Uh, what's the?
There's a term for IMovie okay, all right.
People are saying it was good, all right cool so uh, where were we?
Um, hold on my notes here oh uh, I mean.
My final take on that whole thing though, is basically, you have average women have the sexual optionality of a male celebrity.
It's crazy, and what we say to that is, tell your homies to stop sleeping with anybody.
Raise their standards.
Yeah, you guys could easily take it back into your hands if you guys would just care more about who you stick your penis into, and that all the power will be back into your hands.
Work both ways.
Yeah, and I do.
That's why I preach too.
I don't think this whole new wave of promiscuity some some women, I think aren't actually like that, but it's not the amount that we're trying to make it seem as it's.
No, not all these women should be as promiscuous as they are.
I think it will have mental detrimental effects it does, but like no one should just be a porn star for a day, like yeah crazy, said before.
Regardless of all that though, it's like yes, we just don't put it all on women.
You guys can also just not choose to sleep with everything that walks with two legs.
Like all of men's problems are because of women.
Take responsibility Here, going to you, you said, I guess another thing is I dated a girl in high school, but ended up breaking up with her after a year because she said she wasn't dating to marry, but just for fun.
I was raised traditional, so I just date to marry, and even if I'd like someone a lot, which I really did like her, I would not date someone who's not looking to marry me in the end.
Yeah, I was actually really heartbroken when I asked her, like, what college she was going to and how we would, like, try to figure out to go to the same college because we were dating in high school.
But she said, oh, I thought we were going to break up when we graduate.
And I was like, why are we even dating to begin with?
Like, why was I in a relationship with you for a year?
Do you want kids?
You know, perhaps in the future I may adopt because I think that I can be a great mother.
But I don't think that I would want to pass on some of my hereditary genes just because, like, and that's like a personal thing.
Just there's a lot of medical conditions that I struggle with that I would not want to pass on to my offspring.
And that's just a personal choice.
But I would absolutely offer my maternity and my maternal care to a child that doesn't have that.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
That's very respectful.
Like, no one, not really everyone, like, can be a parent, but every child does need, like.
Absolutely.
I mean, not every parent needs a child, but not every parent deserves a child.
Every child, but every child deserves a parent.
That's another thing I see when people saying that everyone deserves to have a kid.
Like when they're saying, if you're poor, like, no, if you cannot, if you don't even know where your own meal is coming from, you shouldn't be having kids.
Yeah.
And they're going to be a topic on one of the podcasts.
People were asking, like, oh, should broke men not have children?
And I, you know, I think it's not about whether it's broke men or broke women.
It's more just like, can you afford to make sure that that child has a quality life?
That's the only question about it.
If you can't even pay your own bills, if you can't even feed yourself, how are you going to feed a child?
Yeah, if you start developing and growing.
Yeah, I've seen it.
It's more of a liberal standpoint.
But it's a liberal standpoint that turns into conservative when we go to all the pro-choice debate.
But it's like, yeah, like there's some people who will say, all a kid needs to be happy.
They just need a can of beans and this and how's that.
That's no way to live.
It's one thing if circumstances make that happen and you make it work.
But if you're going into having a child in those circumstances, that's fucked up, man.
Not everyone deserves to have a kid.
It doesn't matter.
It's not a human right.
And the kid's like up, like kind of almost destined for failure.
I don't want to say that, but destined to like have not a they're starting off worse than they could have.
They're starting off behind in life, which sucks.
I like that they're literally making it.
Even just like six babies, I think were saved just this year by those new drop boxes that they had like put in, like at least delivering the baby.
Because there are so many parents that are trying to, especially in the community, trying to adopt a brand new baby.
There are people that, you know, will definitely want them.
I think we're going to try to wrap up here pretty soon, guys.
Are there any, before we do wrap up, is there anything that, oh, one announcement.
Guys, I've lowered, I don't know how much longer we're going to go.
I'm going to lower, or I have lowered, the read and TTS triggers.
So read is 50, TTS is 100 plus.
If you want to get any last-minute messages or questions in, I think we'll probably just go for, I don't know, 15 more minutes or so, and then we'll wrap up.
We have gone late.
Let me see here.
Oh, there's, yeah, there's a couple things we need to pull up.
Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
Drop us a Prime sub.
If you have one, drop us a follow, Prime Sub.
Hey, thank you guys, all of you guys on Twitch.
I know the streaming quality is way better on Twitch, so be sure to give us a follow over there on Twitch.
Madison is going to eventually start playing World of Warcraft on that Twitch channel.
So you guys are not going to want to miss that.
So, definitely go follow the Twitch channel.
She's also going to do ASMR and some other weird shit, too.
So, I should just have, like, on the off days, I just have like various guests come and like stream just on the Twitch.
Like, Kiko, you can, like, just come on the Twitch and just be like, oh, yeah, so.
I would love to talk to these idiots on Twitch.
It'd be nice.
I use idiot as an enduring word.
Of course.
Like, even my parents, like, oh, this fucking idiot.
It's nothing real.
I would have called him cunts or something.
The fuck up.
Nice.
That's not meaner.
What?
The what?
The year of Twitch?
The what Twitch?
The year?
Or like, what?
Oh, we'll do that kind of more towards the end.
All those tabs, unfortunately, all those Twitter tabs that for just X out those.
Can you tell me what are some of the other things we were supposed to react to?
We were going to go over the Department of Homeland Security and then watching some of the link over here, so I'll exit out of all those.
And then there's a TikTok we were going to go over, but that was also not.
Yeah, no TikTok.
What was the other thing?
We have a couple days.
I'm trying.
We're good.
Okay.
Sorry, guys, there for the pause there.
We're trying to pull something up.
Oh, let's do the Twitch recap right now.
Let's just do the Twitch recap since you brought it up.
I don't want to forget about it.
Guys, we had a cool year on Twitch.
This is our recap.
I'm wondering, can you?
I mean, it doesn't, I think it's actually probably, well, all right, scroll down.
All right, guys.
Make it the small one.
Yeah, make it the small one.
Your high scores in 2023, scroll down.
So we had 94 streams on Twitch in 2023.
Okay, scroll down.
Our top stream reached 2.7k viewers.
Hey, thank you guys over there on Twitch.
Appreciate it.
Guys, if you're watching on YouTube and you have a Twitch account, link it next.
Over 500,000 individual chats sent.
Thank you guys.
Scroll down.
Top two categories, just chatting.
And yep.
Top three.
That doesn't matter.
We got partner, guys.
We unlocked partner on Twitch.
Yeet.
Channel points.
Okay, nobody cares about that.
You built community, new followers, 47,000 followers, new subs, 3,000 gifted subs, 1,500 hype trains, 99.
Sweet.
We rated 13 times.
We received 39 raids.
That's dope.
Loudest fans.
Yo, these are our best fans on Twitch.
Shout out to you guys.
Thank you guys.
2023 has been a wild year.
Thank you guys.
And then last one with the limited stream, your recap.
Okay, that's pretty much it on Twitch thing.
That's cool.
So do you guys have any dating frustrations?
Any of you?
Kiko, would you date a cop?
Yeah, I'm a criminology major.
Oh, shit.
What do you mean?
I might be a cop.
Yeah.
I'm sorry, I'm still tired.
I know.
Get these girls an energy drink.
We need one.
Nick, can you show the video I sent?
Wait, what?
What video?
Tay Tay just called me out again.
Oh, my God.
I guess we could.
I want to get you.
Are you down to.
Hey, that's what it's about.
Oh.
Do you sent it to Nick?
Whatever.
Uh-huh.
Don't worry.
We'll get food.
Actually, maybe, Madison, do you want to run and get a pizza or something?
Yeah.
Okay.
Just large pepperoni?
Just more.
Or some vegetarians.
What?
Y'all are.
You're vegetarian?
Yeah.
Vegan or vegetarian?
Vegetarian.
I actually get a rash when I eat pepperoni.
So can we do like half and half?
Yeah, sure.
Here.
Don't be stingy, get two.
Wait, how much slices are in a list?
You have $300 for this pizza that he sent me.
I know.
I know.
Okay, here.
My pepperoni one cheese.
Just get one large pepperoni and then one large vegetarian pizza.
Cheese.
Just cheese?
Just cheese.
No.
I love cheese.
It's fine.
Okay, do this.
I'm not going to do it.
Madison, Madison, one large pepperoni, and then we'll do a half veggie, half cheese.
Large.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's good.
Thank you.
Thanks, Balu.
That's very kind of you to feed us.
Thanks.
Finally being fed, by the way, for real.
Dude, I got, you know how many chips were back there?
Jesus Christ.
I was arguing in the comments of a TikTok.
It was like one of my second rage quit or whatever, and I was like, I'm hungry.
I just want to go home.
Someone was in the comments like, yeah, she's full of shit.
They feed them hell of food, blah, blah, blah.
I've been there.
He used to not give us chips.
And I was like, that is so true.
I think it's fucking Celsius.
What are you talking about right now?
Are you going to get it delivered or is it just going to be?
I'm going to go into my car.
I have some mics in there.
Okay, perfect.
Yeah, yeah.
You're ordering it on your phone?
I'll reimburse you.
Just let me know how much it is.
Thank you.
All right.
Any final thoughts from anybody?
Nah, peace out.
Tay.
No, we're not rapping yet.
Taytay, if you want that boxing match, baby, we can do it for 10k.
Well, do you want to have her back on the show to talk to her?
Or you guys, do you want a scrap?
I'm not fighting her unless it's a professional boxing match and I get paid $10,000.
You want money.
That woman wants to injure me from the words we exchange on this podcast.
I don't feel like words ever make me want to hurt someone named Taytay.
I was going to say, can we see the video that you're going to do?
Yeah, I sent it to him.
Who is this person?
So I got this notification in my messages like a week ago.
She posted this.
We went on the podcast together in February.
I don't February.
Yeah, I didn't hear this woman.
She was kind of like, I think she saw my previous videos and was trying to get a rise out of me to get some clips because she does like men's advice and she's a men's advocate, which is like, honestly, most of her points I agree with.
I need to let it get to that because she was so just like.
I'm going to pull up this chat here.
So I told her to shut the fuck up.
And then I was going to say, I'm going to go to the hospital.
Block versus Montesquieu should probably also go on pre-show reading.
Yo, thank you, man.
Sorry, it took me a while to pull this up.
Appreciate it, brother.
All right.
We need, I think we're pretty much, I mean, does it done?
I need to do one other thing.
Hold up, guys.
I know.
I don't believe.
I feel like I have like a million crazy dating stories, but I'm like, I've already embarrassed myself with some of the stuff I said.
I don't know.
You can't embarrass yourself with it.
We can't end the year without talking about body count.
What?
What is everybody's body count?
I feel like you can go through the list.
Cap.
I think the first time I came on here, I said it was 11, but it was actually way lower than that.
I don't know why I said it was 11.
Now it is 12.
Stop the cap.
No, it actually is 12.
You can't rewind a dick.
You can't take a digital piece.
No, no, I thought because I have it counted.
I have it on my notes app.
So I honestly did think it was 11.
I did the same thing my first time.
Listen to the list on here.
I said it was a little bit different.
We have lists.
Wait.
Who's got a list?
Me.
Do you have a list?
Of what?
Of the guys you've hooked up with?
No, she's only urban.
I've only been with one guy.
That's me.
Oh, okay.
What about you?
A list?
No.
Yeah, I have a physical list, but not my phone.
Yeah.
Is it on your phone?
No, and my phone's dead.
But is it on your phone?
No.
Yes, I do.
Is it on your phone?
No.
It's in your brain?
No, it's on paper.
Oh, it's written down.
It's like on physical paper.
Do you have a list?
Oh, God, no.
List?
No.
List?
No.
I don't have a list.
It's in the brain.
Wait.
So list?
Yeah.
Is it on your phone?
Yeah.
Can you read it?
No, no, I think they don't.
Wait, question.
I'm reading the list if you're not.
Yeah.
Okay, that's fair point.
But, like, on the list that you guys have, if it's written down, is it just like name?
Is it date?
Penis size?
Details?
Oh, God.
It just goes in order.
It just goes in order from like.
Is it wrong?
Like, Brian and I are.
Oh, she should have written himself and that person.
Yo, R.I.P. R.I.P.'s in the chat for Maddie.
Maddie just went out.
R.I.P.'s in this.
I don't want to get an accent.
It's poor.
Brian, you told me.
No, she's just broke for delivery.
She's got this.
She'll survive.
She'll survive.
We have to drive kind of a little bit more.
I know.
I'm so excited.
Let's see.
Was there a parking sign?
Did you see?
Oh, I just thought it was a sound.
I'm so scared.
They don't ticket people here.
Yeah, no.
Can you guys tell us your list?
Mine is a chronological order and the month and the year.
Is it on your phone?
No.
Well, some of you have to.
Do you have it memorized?
No, I have it written down.
Okay.
Can you guys hide this physical list?
Going around the table.
I think that's a good question.
Does body count?
Do you object to men caring about body count?
Go.
No.
As long as it, as long as it makes sense with their own body count.
So, like, yeah, if a guy has 100 bodies and he's mad that a girl has two or three.
No, not mad, but he just like he wants to date a girl with a low body count.
He's not mad about it.
He's just like, hey.
Hey, do you?
How you have your own preferences, but I think it's kind of weird that you could sleep with 100 plus women and then have a lot of money.
It's weird if you could do that and then have a problem with double standards.
Double standard.
It's like, how do you say to us, right, if a woman's been with multiple men, then how come she's not going to just get bored with her man that doesn't do all the crazy things that, okay, if a man's with 100 people, okay, pair body goes both ways.
You guys like to forget the other part of the statistics.
Yes, you're right.
A man, how do I know if a man is left with a hundred woman that the last bitch wasn't doing backflips on his dick?
I'm not doing that shit.
So it's like, it could be the same thing and go both ways.
And especially considering that sex is a lot more important to men than it is to women.
So a man that's more experienced, yes.
That's why y'all are always talking about it and doing it.
Men have a higher, I think men generally speaking have a higher sex drive, but I think honestly women, like if the sex is trash, like first off, sex is going to be trash more for women than it is for men.
Like it's much harder to like get women off and you have to do more shit.
Like as a girl, you can just get into doggy position and we're going to have a blast.
Like here's the difference.
Unless you have a man who's experienced 100 different women.
No, dude.
No, not even.
Here's the difference.
Have you?
Huh?
What?
Oh, yeah.
Listen, I'm a man of God.
You took a body count over.
What's your body count, Brian?
What?
What's your body count?
I don't disclose this.
Why?
I learned.
I'm a man of God.
I will say I've had sex at least one time.
How about that?
You told us a story more than once.
I've had sexual intercourse.
That's weird.
One time, that was it.
I was his body count is seven.
No, well, here's the difference, right?
Like, which is why I think, okay.
Can you guys, let's, let me ask all of you guys this.
Could you guys get yourselves off if a guy was just like laying back on the bed and he's just got an erection?
Like, could you, could you get on top and get yourself off?
And I have done that before.
Absolutely.
Oh, yeah.
Good for you.
It's mostly on.
So I know going in, it's going to be mostly on me anyways.
Yeah, answer.
Yeah.
I don't want him to feel bad because I didn't, because I genuinely feel like it's my brain.
Like, I don't want him to feel bad.
So I'm going to be.
I'll lie to you if I agree with you.
Pull out.
Of course.
That's a pull out.
100%, right?
There's no bad.
But be honest.
Be honest.
A guy's just laying there.
He's got a stiffy.
And he's doing nothing.
No hip.
Could you get yourself off?
If it's my boyfriend.
I mean, I don't know.
I mean, can you get yourself also alone?
No, Sophia.
I feel my inner.
Can we open the in my back?
You feel your what?
And then in my stomach.
Like, I'm like, oh, you guys want to answer the question?
All I got is like, what?
I feel like if, like Kiko said, if he was my man, if I was really attracted to him, but if that's all he's doing the whole time, like, he's just sitting there and I have to do all the work.
No.
And you can't rub your clip.
You can't rub your clip.
Okay, so no, then no, but it can't happen.
Oh, with my current partner?
Yeah, that's why I kept him.
Yeah.
Okay, all right.
It just occurs to me that.
Okay, well, good for you guys.
I'm proud of you guys.
What the f?
Why are y'all doing this like?
It's hard.
Nick, open the thing.
Open the thing.
Open the thing, man.
I never know how to dress for this place.
I'm shaking.
Sometimes I'm hella hot.
Jesus.
What were we talking about?
I forgot.
Body count.
Oh, body count, body count.
Okay.
So, do you object to men caring about body count?
Usually.
You answered.
Thanks.
Yeah.
Yeah, I answered.
If it's just a simple preference, no, but I feel like when they ask, it's because they have a whole other ideology that comes along with it.
And I don't really agree with that.
And man has never asked me about body count.
I feel like that's kind of a weird.
Like, if they're asking me, I'm like, you're trying to figure something out that I feel like is judgmental.
It's their preference.
If they care, that's fine.
I don't care.
Yeah, I don't really care either.
Everyone should be able to have a preference, but I do agree with Kiko.
It's kind of hypocritical in that sense.
Okay.
I do not object.
What is everybody's body count?
Go ahead, Kiko.
You already did that?
We just did this.
Yeah, we already did.
No, we didn't.
Yeah, we did.
I think we stopped there.
We stopped there.
Can you just say it again?
One list.
One.
Cap.
It is cap.
12.
One.
If you guys are going to multiply by three, I'll say 17, but it's 52.
Small.
Wait, did we miss say it again?
52.
Oh, okay.
That's a real one.
15.
I don't want to give mine up.
More than 10?
I'm not going to give it up.
Okay.
That's way too personal, and out of respect for just future children and stuff, but I will say single digits.
Okay.
I mean, yes, it's a single digit, but I'm not going to disclose the number.
That is information reserved for myself and my partner.
Well, whatever it is.
Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
See?
Guys, if you want.
Oh, wait, that's wrong.
If you want, can you let me know?
Men divide by three, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Oh, we need the last thing, guys.
Guys.
Actually, two last things.
Two last things.
Okay.
The whatever podcast, I meant to talk about this sooner.
The whatever podcast.
Are you guys familiar?
Have you guys seen that movie about NWA?
No, yes, yeah.
Where the FBI sent the NWA.
Wait.
I don't even know what that is.
Straight out of content.
Are you talking about that?
Straight out of content.
Yeah, straight out of content.
The FBI sent them a letter which was sort of like a cease and desist almost.
Like, hey, stop talking about the cops.
You can't do that.
Fuck the police come straight under the ground.
The whatever podcast has had its NWA straight out of Compton moment.
The Department of Homeland Security.
Oh my God.
has funded a seven hundred thousand dollar study by some like university in arizona comparing we're gonna pull this shit up bro It's fucking crazy.
And you guys can look into this more.
So I'm going to read this tweet.
Can you make us bigger, Nick?
Yeah, you know what I'm going to do with our side?
Other sons.
Actually.
So this is massive.
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security paid nearly $700,000 to a counterterrorism NGO to intercept and divert Twitter X traffic away from specific individuals in the Manosphere.
Those people were the rational male Cobrité, Fresh and FitPod, among others, whatever podcast, were specifically named as targets.
The DHS Department of Homeland Security TVTP grant funding was given to Arizona State University, home of the McCain Institute.
The purpose of the grant was to design a native tool to be used on Twitter to effectively suppress individuals in the Manosphere by diverting their audiences away from their content towards counter-messaging content.
Websites, podcasts, and creators curated by the McCain Institute to counter quote-unquote hate speech and misinformation.
The U.S. government has named the Manosphere as one of the biggest terror threats facing the U.S.
They claim this broad network is the main cause of extremely isolated acts of incel-related violence.
The conflation, hold on, the conflation of incels with the broader manosphere as a justification for targeted counterterrorism operations, which can include aggressive surveillance and censorship, is part of a disturbing trend.
The ever-broadening definitions of terrorism and extremism put forth by the U.S. government poses a very real threat to the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens.
Even worse, the grant application resulting reports suggest a large-scale collaboration of tech giants, NGOs, and U.S. government agencies to design and implement tools to counter hate and disinformation by diverting web traffic from specific individuals and communities deemed harmful.
What is a harmful content according to the U.S. government?
White supremacy anti-government views.
Foreign terror organizations, i.e. ISIS, and the Manosphere are the top four terror threats, according to the McCain Institute.
And we'll look at this.
So this is them saying we aim to target the Manosphere and scroll down.
And so basically they'll try to divert this shit to, oh, and Nick, can you tab over to the actual thing?
To the PDF?
To positive males.
Can you scroll up?
So wait, wait, wait.
Stay there.
So this is like, how many pages is it?
73-page report funded by the Department of Homeland Security.
This is a federal, it's one of the three-letter fucking organizations, three-letter, misogynistic extremism, the manosphere and the mainstream social media.
I need you to scroll up on this, Nick, and make it bigger for me, can you?
Make it bigger.
Now, I need you to do Control-F and search whatever podcast.
You're on there.
Are you?
Okay, scroll up just a tad so I can read the title.
Up, That's the wrong.
That's down.
Here, X out of the search.
Make it bigger.
Scroll, make it bigger.
Make it one more bigger.
I think they could see that.
That's good.
Women in the service of male supremacy exploring female-supported extreme misogyny on mainstream social media platforms.
And then there's a bunch of blah, Stop there.
The algorithm-curated recommendation discovery feeds of any social media app may have served you up a tweet from the notorious Manosphere influencer, Andrew Tate, lamenting the purported abominal state of masculinity in the West, or a video from the Whatever podcast mocking the body count, that is, the number of sexual partners someone has had of the unforgivably emancipated modern woman.
You're doing something.
I love this.
This is great.
I can't believe.
This is my.
This is my NWA, this is my FBI NWA moment.
The Department OF Homeland Security has funded woke activists, feminists at ASU, to deliver report to them, to do to, to do like actual, actionable things.
I'm taking a class because I talk about body count.
Oh no, the horror don't don't, don't do that, don't do that, don't do what.
That's not what it's about.
It's because incels are a mass terrorist.
Thought of the whatever.
What are you talking about?
We are literally in Iowa Vista, where an incel went and killed seven to twelve people.
We're not gonna talk.
Well you, it incels.
The words already brought up on the screen.
So that's not, that's not the US, it's already like.
This is this, is like a dating, it's a no no no no, I get no, I get whatever, if anything, whatever.
Bro, do you realize how crazy Kiko.
It's a real issue though Kiko, you've been on this podcast a bunch of times and you never let me talk about this and it's like actually my one passion that I research okay, but cool.
But but bro, this is like a fairly granted, we have some like that's why you were only mentioned once in that whole disography.
Yeah, but that's crazy.
It's still the people that you're crazy like and like you had someone on here tell women that they should fight if they're getting abused, just pull through like no, not Brian, but he said he said it right there in that seat.
He was right there.
That's not yeah but, but I don't co-sign that.
I'm not saying you, but I don't co-sign that.
You don't co-sign it, but you're still.
Can I say something?
No, stop.
As a man, I am only responsible for what I say.
I don't know how to be responsible for what everybody, both the men and the women.
It doesn't come on this podcast.
I'm as a man say Brian Adam says things as a man.
Stop, stop.
As a man, I'm responsible for what I say.
I don't know how to be responsible for some, what some dude who's fucking like seven white claws deep says on the fucking podcast we have.
We have girls come on the podcast say the most man-hating massandra shit.
That's not.
That's not a representation of me.
So, like people come on this podcast, it's a representation of the whatever podcast.
Though what's a representation?
They say that up on your podcast, especially when you're not a representation.
I don't repost that.
I think you said aliens okay whatever, in any case.
In any case, that is the fucking NWA moment for the uh, for the whatever podcast, the Dhs 700 000 funding to say, well, the whatever podcast talks about body count.
This is leading to terrorism.
Shut the fuck up, bro.
That's ridiculous.
You're naive.
I think it's just the audience that wants to hear it exactly.
It's like the fact that you guys are building or you enable the behavior.
Bro, you guys, he brought it up, not us.
We didn't bring up this shit, he brought it up.
So what do you mean?
Can you believe bro, fucking Kiko over here siding with the feds?
What the fuck?
Can you believe?
The criminology major?
Would be agreeing with this because I've done so much research on these intels.
They literally have platforms.
They have their own little, not, it's not even Discord, it's their own apps where they get together.
You know, the guy who drove through people in Toronto?
He did it in the name of, what's his fucking name?
Elliot Rogers.
He did it in the name of Elliot Rogers.
He said they were friends on their little shit.
Zip it clean it out.
Zip it good.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Zip it good, Kiko.
I mean, Zip it.
Censoring.
Zip it good.
You're censoring me.
I'm just saying, guys, those of you watching, the reason I bring it up, I thought you guys should be aware of it.
Guys, we're on the chopping block here.
These, these, they're coming for us, bro, boys.
I need my, where's, I should have kept my fucking soldier uniform on.
Gentlemen.
Gentlemen.
And they didn't say they were taking you down.
They said they're diverting it to more positive male influences.
Positive male.
Gentlemen.
Watch the whatever podcast while you still can because these NGOs, they're coming after me.
The vice - there's the vice hit piece.
There's the fucking New York Post hit piece.
Gentlemen, if you like the whatever podcast, I need your support, boys.
You guys are my fucking soldiers.
You're my army.
You guys are my army.
Okay, guys.
I need you.
Really grew.
Who?
Grew.
Grew.
I'll know that reference.
Listen.
This is the moon.
Gentlemen.
Gentlemen, I know I joke around a lot.
Oh, my God.
Gentlemen, I need some fucking war music.
Brian Warmer.
Wait, Madison, rejoin the table.
Rejoin the table, Madison.
Brian, we gotta drive.
Hold on, just wait, just wait, just wait.
You're the best.
I'm gonna wrap up soon.
Okay.
Listen.
Perfect moment.
Listen, guys.
In 2024, in 2024, we are gonna mobilize.
I need soldiers.
I need fucking soldiers, guys.
We're gonna mobilize.
We're gonna get organized.
Those uniforms, that one doesn't fit me very well.
We're gonna, holy candy.
It's gonna be us going to come back.
It's not that bad.
You're fine.
She's so fucking wet.
She still looks awesome.
Where's her jacket?
My hair just soaking wet.
You smell like a wet dog.
Oh my god, she's out of it.
I am.
How rude.
She got pizza.
That's what happens when your hair gets wet.
She smells fine.
I'm joking.
She smells wonderful.
She smells like roses and rainbows.
All right.
so yes guys uh i need your support more now than ever because i don't know what yo that's just that shit that kind of shit's the start That's the start.
DHS, that's not like a joke.
Department of Homeland Security, guys.
I need.
I need your support, boys.
I need your support.
Okay, so it might be time to switch career paths.
Honestly, I'm tempted to just like I'm tempted to just start playing World of Warcraft and never doing this show again.
Just throw on it.
A new topic.
Switch it up.
I'm one of your.
I'm actually one of your little warriors out there.
Oh, you're one of my soldiers?
Yeah, I actually don't even know how I got on it.
I'm so grateful to be part of it.
All right.
No, do you invest in stocks?
Because, I mean, you could easily, with these donations, you could easily create a passive income if you invest in the stock market.
Index funds, I'm good.
As well as index funds.
I wasn't talking about that.
I was talking more about a way to keep your podcast with a different topic at hand.
That's what I was saying.
I wasn't telling them.
I'm not sure if I'm doing it right for your life.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure if I can get the crypto breath, Diamond Hands.
That is good.
I would do it.
Yeah.
I'll do it for you, Brian.
I'll show you after.
I have some closing statements, and then we're going to wrap up here.
I have this all written down, so just because I don't want to miss anything, I need to thank a bunch of people.
Guys, this is our final show of the year.
And then it's unfortunate with the did we redeem the episode, you think?
Yeah, I forgot about the money.
I'm still interested.
That felt like honestly.
They said they saw my boyfriend said they saw everything on stream, but it wasn't really hitting.
Oh, shit.
Whatever.
Okay.
So, guys, we are going to be going on break for four weeks.
I'm still going to be working.
Oh, we got some.
Okay.
So, Flow ACK954 donated $100.
Hottest on the panel is next to Brian.
Kiko, what's good?
Your savage.
Shout out.
Congratulations, Brian.
Woke Clinton being real.
Yeah, appreciate it.
Homeland Security.
Yeah, it's.
Well, thank you, man.
Very much appreciate it.
So, like I was saying, it's our final show of the year.
I'm still going to be working.
We're going to take about three to four weeks off.
Do not worry, though, we will be posting every single day on all the Clips channels.
So if you want to get your whatever fix, go subscribe to the Clips channel.
The links are in the description.
Mods, if you could spam all our Clips channels in the chat.
If you haven't already, go subscribe to those Clips channels.
Like I said, we did 70 million views last month on the main, just the main Clips channel.
Like I said, go see what the hype is about.
Please go there because we won't be active on the main channel, Clips channel every day.
Shorts, long form clips.
We will be live again, most likely Sunday, January 21st at 5 p.m. Pacific.
That's tentatively, it could be plus or minus a week.
I might come back sooner.
Maybe we extend it a little bit.
Depends on if I'm able to get things done.
You okay, Kiko?
You alright?
It's too hot, really?
I might need to stand out somewhere.
Wait, just stay.
I'm almost done.
All right.
Holy shit.
Now, guys, as for 2023, 2023 has been the craziest year of my life by far.
Wild ride.
It's been the busiest and most stressful year of my life.
Working 70, 80-hour weeks non-stop for the past two years to make this podcast happen.
And what you see on the show is just the tip of the iceberg.
You know, we had the New York Post and Vice Hit pieces prodding journalists, people trying to cancel me, the woke mob, liars, slanderers, gossipers, haters, shit talkers, drama, beef, dealing with big egos, entitlement, divas, drama, trolls, degenerates, weirdos, people who have never been told no, constant flakes, no shows, tardiness, technical issues, et cetera.
All the while, I'm dealing with like chronic pain issues.
I have a neck and back injury.
You guys have seen it with the ice packs and the fucking back, or what's it called?
The shepherds, whatever.
I don't know what it is.
You know, I got like headaches, brain fog, all that shit, musculoskeletal pain.
The list goes on.
I'm not exaggerating.
Every single week, there's like some bullshit that you guys aren't even privy to that's going on.
It's non-stop.
But with that, all that stuff.
It's also been the most successful year of my life when it comes to content creation.
Those who have been following me for a while know that prior to this insane climb in 2023, you know, I already mentioned some of my health stuff.
I was struggling with the health stuff, business, various other ways for quite a few years.
On this podcast at the very beginning, and Kiko's one of the OGs, she's been here, like you were in one of the, it was like between the first 10 and 20 episodes.
Yeah.
You were there, you saw we were getting 300 viewers an episode, $5.
I was super stoked on those, but just like, you know, I was like doing the show like every day.
You know, the rent for this place is like $4,000 a month.
All the equipment, brand new.
I was over $100,000 in the red on this podcast for months before it took off.
With like, it wasn't looking good, guys, but I kept at it.
It's not cheap running this operation.
It takes a lot of time and effort for us to produce this.
So I've got some thanks that I'd like to mention.
I want to first off thank all the viewers.
Without you guys, it wouldn't be possible.
I want to thank all the people that we've had on the show.
We've got some returning favorites here: Kiko, Anai, Priya.
We were going to have one or two other, but they didn't make it.
I've also, you know, so I've had the opportunity to meet some wonderful people and some absolutely feral, obnoxious, money-hungry, low-IQ, high-energy, jackrabbit, fucking wannabe, big-time, small-time shit talking, bothersome, irritating, immature motherfuckers I've ever had to endure for more than five minutes.
No.
To quote Nietzsche, to quote Nietzsche, and this is actually somewhat related.
Yo, Benjamin Park, thank you for dude.
Thank you for the gifted 20 memberships.
To quote Nietzsche, and this actually is perfect in some ways that that happened on the show.
Beware that when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster.
For when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
Not gonna lie, guys, doing the show sometimes feels like looking into the abyss, and that shit stares back at you.
I know that's fucking pretentious as fuck that I just said that, but whatever.
Seriously, though, like doing this show, dealing with some of these personalities, man, like I know him a lot, Brian.
I'm sorry.
No, no, but I feel like you're there's like gen, genuine, like that girl, like I'm not trying to exaggerate on this.
Like that, that is darkness manifest.
Like that was scary, bro.
Yeah, that was like scary shit.
That was like some possessed.
Yeah, I was gonna say that's like evil type of stuff.
No, literally evil.
You didn't see a soul behind the eyes.
No, she came in really normally.
Yeah, she was.
I think it's to some degree, I think it's like some fucking hippie LA performative starters.
Yeah, I could.
She brought her reference.
And did we not tell her before the shoot?
Dude, Benjamin Park, is this your boyfriend?
Yeah, that is my boyfriend.
Oh!
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
Yo, Benjamin Park is on fire.
Oh, my God.
This guy, Benjamin, is on fire.
Wait, Park.
Is he Korean guy?
Is he correct?
You know what's so funny?
Is he was actually under the residency of a Korean doctor.
So his Korean buddy would be like, oh, my Korean brother, but he's actually white.
Oh, we got.
Brian DHS will not stop my crusade against genital herpes.
I was put on this earth to stop this plague and I will destroy all those who are infected.
Bangs will not be spared and I will show no mercy.
If you wanted to kill everyone with herpes, you would kill 80% of the population.
Wait, probably.
Thank you, Jay Butler.
I appreciate it.
By the way, check this out sex ed class, and it will tell you how many people have herpes in the world.
Just on by the way, guys, do I just move on?
Like, do I go to war against?
Are we going to war against that chick or just eh?
Just move on.
Don't I would, I think that would be.
She wants your attention.
Don't you?
No, I would say you should do something.
Only unless you're going to actually get because I feel like if you're not going to be able to do that, if you don't do anything about that, then that's going to make people want to do it more.
Might lose more than do I, but yeah, that's the thing.
You have to prove it to the deterrence that you will do.
Yo, chat, war, is it war?
Nickelodeon donated 100.
Screw you two, Brixon.
I thought we were finally starting to get along.
BTW, thanks for that one.
Now I gotta delete this bank account.
Wait, what?
Nickelodeon for the pizza.
Thank you for the pizza.
Thank you for the pizza, Nickelodeon.
Wait.
Wait, I don't get it.
I don't know what he's talking about.
I'm not sure what it is.
Can you clarify, Nickelodeon?
There's been another 100.
A couple more thanks, guys.
I want to do a big thank you to Nick, who's on the ones and twos there.
Nick is a soldier.
He's been through hell and back with me.
W's in the chat for Nick.
I know sometimes I'm on his case, but it's all tough love.
I want him to excel and be exceptional.
And sometimes it can take a little tough love to do that.
So, Nick, I still have some champagne in here.
I raise my glass to you.
Salu.
To Nick.
Salute.
I want to thank Madison also.
Same applies to you, Madison.
She's a trooper.
She's also soaking wet.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, like in the UFO.
Okay, I'm sorry.
Like she's, she, she, she's a trooper.
She went up.
Listen, she went into the.
Hold on.
Just wait.
Just wait.
This is the last show of the year.
I got to say my thanks here.
It was a very good year.
For Madison, she went down to the mean streets of Isla Vista into the pouring rain.
She could have been struck by lightning to get y'all pizza.
So, okay, okay.
I want to thank everyone else who works for me, my team of editors, Kay with the time stamps.
Thank you guys.
Thank you to my mod team.
You guys are great.
Special thanks to Nemesis.
You've been really leading the charge.
Anyone else who has helped me on this journey?
Thank you guys.
Thank you to my parents.
Y'all have been supportive.
Love you both.
Thank you to all the patrons, everybody who supports.
In all the ways you choose to support the show, I'm incredibly grateful.
Your generosity is absolutely a blessing and has honestly helped keep us afloat despite a lot of our videos getting demonetized.
So I really appreciate your guys' patronage.
You guys are incredibly gracious and generous.
So thank you guys so much.
Once again, thank you to all the viewers.
I'm very blessed.
If I'm forgetting anyone, I'm sorry.
For final time in 2023, last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out.
Thank you for tuning in tonight.
You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
I appreciate that.
I hope you guys, wait, let me just, I got to double check, make sure I didn't miss any chats here.
I just want to don't want anyone to feel screwed over.
I should check that before.
Oh, sorry.
Sorry, guys, it's loading.
One sec.
Okay, we're good.
Okay.
Sorry.
So, did I, did I, you could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
I appreciate that.
I hope you guys have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
07s in the chat.
Good night, guys.
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