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PSYCHO Feminist KICKED OUT?! 1 RAGE QUIT?! Andrew Wilson! CRYING?! DAYCARE?! E-girls! | Dating Talk #126

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	Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, occupation, and where you're from.
	Go ahead.
	My name is Savannah.
	I am 25, about to be 26, and I am a model, clothing designer, and I guess influencer.
	Guess influencer?
	Yes.
	You guess influencer?
	Maybe.
	Someone call it that.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	My name is Valve.
	I'm 25 and I'm in tech sales.
	All right.
	Where are you from?
	Boston.
	Boston.
	Okay.
	And did you say where you're from?
	I don't think so.
	Los Angeles.
	LA, got it.
	What about you?
	My name is Ashley.
	I am a nurse, model, and DJ, and I'm from El Paso, Texas, and I'm 26 years old.
	All right.
	Welcome.
	Hi, I'm Athena.
	I go to school in Pomona.
	I'm an architecture major and I'm 19.
	All right, welcome.
	Hi, I'm Kara.
	I'm 23.
	I'm a nurse, and I'm from Hawksnart.
	Are you an RN?
	I'm an LVN.
	Okay, got it.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Mia.
	Hi, my name is Mia.
	I am 21.
	I am from LA and I'm also an OnlyFans girl.
	Okay, welcome.
	I'm a comedian Jeff Dye.
	I'm from Seattle, Washington originally, but now I live in Los Angeles.
	And I'm 40 years old.
	I was making sure no one judged me.
	I looked at all their eyes.
	No, it looked.
	Yeah.
	This is good.
	This is good.
	They were really nice.
	All right, cool.
	So we're going to go around the table once more.
	So what is everybody's current relationship status?
	So are you single, talking stage, situation ship, friends with benefits, relationship married, polycule sex, cult harem?
	What's that one?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	I am currently single.
	The longest relationship I've been in was two and a half years.
	Okay.
	I'm not single.
	I just actually am got a boyfriend.
	We became official.
	Thanks.
	And my longest relationship, probably two and a half years.
	Okay.
	Did you say how long you've been single?
	Sorry, I missed that part.
	Oh, how long?
	Yeah, how long you've been single?
	I think it's been like a year.
	Yeah, probably a year.
	Okay.
	Oh, excuse me.
	Sorry, sorry.
	I totally forgot.
	We have Andrew Wilson.
	I'm sorry, Andrew.
	We have Andrew Wilson on the line.
	Andrew is joining us via call-in.
	This is one of our first times doing like a call-in, just audio.
	We did one with video.
	Andrew, sorry about that.
	Will you introduce yourself, please?
	Yeah, sure.
	My name is Andrew Wilson.
	I am the host of the One and Only Crucible, one of the fastest-growing debate channels on the internet, and regular to the whatever podcast.
	Thank you guys all for having me here.
	Thank you for joining us via Colin.
	Appreciate it.
	Kind of feels like he's our boss or something, though.
	Like he's on the day.
	Andrew, did you get the numbers from?
	Is it just the TVs talking to you?
	Is that how it looks on your end?
	The TV's just like speaking to all of you?
	He's from, yeah.
	You're like.
	That's great.
	It's just like I can just chime in and go, be silent.
	I have spoken.
	Exactly.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	So, relationship status.
	I'm taken, and the longest relationship I've been in was like 2.5 years.
	Okay, taken.
	What is that?
	Married?
	No.
	Like, no, boyfriend and you're in a relationship.
	How long have you been in the relationship for?
	Oh, it's like three months, so it's still three months.
	Three months.
	Super taken.
	Six months is the longest one, and I've been single for six months.
	So you're currently single?
	You've been single for six months, six months longest.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm currently single.
	I've been single for like three months.
	And my longest relationship, like three years.
	All right.
	Cool, cool, cool.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I am currently single.
	I believe my last relationship was over a year ago, and my longest was three and a half years.
	So you've been single for one year?
	Yes.
	Okay, longest three years.
	All right, Jeff, what about you?
	I am a single guy, ladies.
	His DMs are open.
	Yeah.
	I'm single.
	I've been single for about a few years, two plus years.
	And I'm embarrassed to say my longest relationship just because I've had relationships that have been years, but it's always like off and on and some shit happens.
	And then we get back.
	I'm one of those guys.
	So it's like, you know, years, but if we're being honest, like consistent, steady months is probably my longest relationship.
	Red flag, I know.
	I know.
	So longest was like two to three months?
	Probably, yeah.
	I mean, and then I'm being generous.
	Did you ever have a girlfriend?
	Yeah, they were like my girlfriend for like three months, and then I would do some bullshit, or they would do some bullshit, or I would get all like in a relationship and break up for like a week and then be like, I love you.
	You know, that whole off and on shit.
	Yeah, okay.
	Yeah, it can be.
	Yeah, we all have flaws.
	That's true.
	Unreal.
	And Andrew, what about you?
	And be honest, Andrew.
	So I've been married for over 10 years.
	I don't remember the exact amount of time that I've been with my wife, but it's been for a long, long time.
	Okay.
	More than 10.
	Yeah, more than 10.
	Yep.
	Nice, nice.
	Cool, cool.
	Oh, we got a.
	LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.
	Donated $200.
	Chat, would you rather get a massage from a gay man law surgery from a female doctor?
	Serious surgery.
	So basically, would you rather get a massage or die?
	A massage sounds pretty great.
	I'm not going to lie.
	Chat, that is the question for the chat.
	Oh, I'm going to ask you to check the chat, chat.
	You guys want to answer that?
	I don't know if we pulled the chat up.
	Chat, which one?
	Which one do you prefer?
	They liked your joke.
	The chat is.
	Chad's into it.
	Okay, thank you.
	LLLLLL.
	What about you, buddy?
	What would I do?
	Yeah.
	I think I'd take the massage.
	Me too.
	He's not having sex with me.
	He's just massaging me.
	I just close my eyes and go, all right, this guy's probably not enjoying it the way I fear that he is.
	I feel like I'm going to kick the bucket on this one, guys.
	No, you wouldn't.
	I think I would.
	Really?
	I think I would just have to dive into my faith and kick the bucket on this one.
	It's just a massage.
	Just a massage.
	Just a massage.
	But if he touches my privates, I'm going to be upset.
	You know what I mean?
	I don't get those crossing lines.
	No, not from him.
	I don't know.
	What if he offers a happy ending?
	I'd say no, thank you.
	Let's have a professional massage here.
	That changes the question.
	Professional relationship.
	All right.
	So for those of you who are single, what does that actually look like?
	So you said you've been single for one year, and we'll go around the table asking those of you who are single.
	Are you currently talking to anybody?
	Any men, women, in the picture?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Multiple?
	Just one.
	Just a guy?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What's his name and address?
	That's crazy.
	And social security number.
	Give me everything on this guy.
	Mother's maiden name.
	So how long have you been seeing him?
	Well, we've been friends for like, am I too far?
	We've been friends for like probably like two years now, but we started talking like seriously probably like a month ago or two.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	And are you guys exclusive?
	Are you dating other people or exclusive right now?
	Exclusive?
	That's a boyfriend.
	Not really.
	Exclusive?
	That's the whole definition of boyfriend.
	What does not really mean?
	I mean, I get, well, I don't know.
	You just haven't said boyfriend yet?
	I guess, yeah.
	Yeah, all right.
	Fair.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We're just taking things how it goes.
	I like that.
	So you're single also.
	How does that look?
	I go on dates.
	I have a favorite.
	And then there's like the other guys that are like, they're farther away, you know.
	So you have a roster, kind of?
	I wouldn't call it a roster because their dates, you know?
	They're not like hookups.
	Oh.
	But you are hooking up with your main guy.
	I don't want to answer that.
	You don't want to answer that?
	Why is that?
	I'm worried about my digital footprint.
	You're okay.
	What is digital footprint?
	Worried about digital footprint.
	Yeah, what are you doing?
	NFTs or something?
	If I wanted a job and then they search up my name and then I'm over here talking about a bunch of gross stuff.
	Gross stuff?
	Well, let me ask you a couple of questions.
	Have you watched this podcast before?
	I don't think she requested.
	To be clear, I want to make it very clear to the viewers.
	She requested to be on.
	She DM'd us.
	So there's.
	Okay.
	I don't think your boss is going to care if you have sex.
	I was going to say, are you applying to be a nun and you've not had any previous history of sex or like you do realize this is a dating and relationship podcast where we talk about dating and what topics were you anticipating?
	Were you talking about collateralized debt?
	Hold on.
	Collateralized debt obligations?
	Like what did you anticipate we were going to talk about on the sorry for interrupting?
	It's fine.
	What?
	I mean there's like opinions that I have and I said in advance that I wouldn't and you guys were like cool.
	Well it wasn't you didn't precisely lay out what was and what wasn't.
	We'll see what I go.
	I thought this was a sports podcast.
	I thought this was a job interview.
	I'll feel it out.
	Well I'll just okay so you provided some pre-show notes to us so I'm assuming the pre-show notes that you provided are fair game.
	So you said you have many crazy dating stories like you dated influencers and billionaires.
	Nice.
	You're very opinionated.
	You can argue but kind of have a unique stance.
	You think women sh I don't think women should work.
	That's what you said.
	Is that correct?
	Okay.
	You said you dated influencers and billionaires.
	Any influencers that you can reveal?
	I don't, I think they wouldn't like that.
	Can you tell us the genre?
	Like TikTok, fitness.
	And you said you dated billionaires as in plural.
	Singular, sorry.
	Okay, you used the plural in your messages here.
	So you dated a singular billionaire.
	Can you tell us what realm of industry he's in?
	Real estate.
	Real estate.
	How old is he?
	30.
	A 30-year-old billionaire.
	Okay, and he's in real estate.
	And you're 19?
	How old were you when you dated him?
	18.
	It was gross.
	Why?
	Well, he was, what, 29 and you were 18, right?
	You were an adult.
	Yeah.
	Why would that be gross?
	I mean, my pre-frontal cortex isn't developed.
	So do you think women shouldn't vote?
	At 18, then?
	No.
	So you can make political decisions that could lead to war, but you don't have the mental faculties to engage in consensual sex with another adult?
	It's not really about that.
	I can form opinions about things that I read, but relationships are like in politics, I can read the news and understand that.
	But relationships are a lot more complicated than you can.
	So you can vote to elect a representative that would send people to war to die.
	You can buy a firearm.
	You can join the military.
	But you aren't, you don't feel like you can engage in a consensual romantic or sexual relationship with another adult.
	You interrupted me.
	Well, no, no, no, hold on.
	I'm the host of the podcast.
	Therefore, there's a higher conversational burden on me.
	So yes, I have a little more leeway to interrupt.
	Go ahead with your point.
	I just meant because I was going to tell you my point.
	Go ahead.
	Interpersonal relationships are like a completely different realm.
	It's not just processing simple information and then making an informed decision.
	It's like, how do I explain it?
	I can't really explain it, but like, I think it's totally different.
	You can't explain your position?
	You feel like he took advantage of you because he was older?
	I'm not saying necessarily he did.
	I'm just saying I won't know how I feel about it until I'm older.
	It's feelings.
	That's what it is.
	Yeah.
	It's feelings.
	Paul.
	It's gross.
	It shouldn't involve feelings.
	It does sometimes, but it really shouldn't if you're voting for the right people.
	But I mean, in relationship, there's feelings, you know?
	Like, you can be manipulated.
	Could I just ask, like, outside of the politics of it, like, why do you think it's gross?
	Was it gross because the age gap?
	Was it gross because you did things?
	You don't have to specify, but like what was gross because- Or was it gross because you dated a billionaire?
	What was in it for you?
	I just think in general that, like, there, I mean, I was like a high schooler, you know?
	So you were in high school.
	I was, yeah, I was like naive.
	Like, I didn't know.
	Like, he could have been hurting me and I wouldn't have known.
	Sounds like zero accountability to me, but I just personally think it's kind of weird.
	Like, being 25, almost like 26, I personally wouldn't date an 18-year-old because there's a very big maturity gap.
	So, like, that could be a reason.
	So, I think, like, in that way, it's a little weird because I personally wouldn't date someone a lot younger than me.
	Just because, like, thinking back when I was 18, like, I was not developed at all.
	Like, I didn't know a lot of things that I do now.
	I mean, men and women are very different.
	So in what way are you going to, in what way?
	Tell me what way.
	What way were different?
	What is the age in terms of age for you?
	Well, in terms of what they're generally attracted to, women in general tend to date up, even if it's one, two, or three years.
	Right.
	And we see this, this is evidenced by, for example, marriage statistics.
	Women typically will marry someone.
	I don't know what the exact average is, but typically the average age of marriage for women is younger than it is for men.
	Andrew, do you have anything for this?
	Yeah, so you're kind of talking about...
	Oh, sorry.
	Bone Man5.
	$138 donated $200.
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	Okay, Bone Man53.
	Okay, Bone Man 5.
	I have something about that, though, it's like, so, you were saying, like, you wouldn't, you know, you remember what you were like, and you're thinking back, like, well, it doesn't seem like, I, I wouldn't want to date a young chick because we don't have interests that are the same.
	I don't even know what a lot of young women are talking about most of the time.
	Yeah, I don't like it.
	However, I would imagine that a billionaire's motive of dating her was probably physical.
	He's not looking to engage with her about the thing like finance or technology or any of those things.
	So why is his motive gross to date her?
	But her motive to be with a billionaire is some sort of, was he super hot?
	I mean, was this guy, like, what was the, right, so your motive might have also been physical.
	But also, you're bragging that he's a billionaire now, even though you found that it was gross then.
	So you guys just had a nice little trade there.
	That's all that was.
	I don't think it's gross.
	I don't think he's a piece of shit for wanting to date a young chick.
	I think that everything that you said is correct, but I think it's still completely valid for her to look back on that and find it to be gross.
	It's completely valid.
	It can be all those things that you just said and still for her to feel.
	And I didn't judge her for it.
	I just said, why is it gross?
	I asked why.
	Andrew, Andrew, do you?
	So when you say valid, what do you mean by valid?
	Like just how she feels about it?
	She can feel valid about her validation.
	Hold on, please let him talk.
	Yeah, can't she?
	Can't she feel valid about anything?
	Like, what does that mean?
	Does that be totally a meaningless statement?
	No.
	If she's looking back at it, and I know there's like a source of intimidation here, she's probably the youngest person here right now.
	Whoa, hold on.
	A what?
	It's a little bit of an intimidation.
	I think we went around the table and you immediately started harping on the young girl who said she was uncomfortable with the billionaire.
	Well, hold on.
	I don't like, I do not like the way you are painting this interaction here.
	I started with her.
	I asked her what her status is.
	You two are in relationships.
	I'm going around asking people to delve further into their I think his feelings are valid.
	I totally agree.
	I think everyone's I think you're so right.
	There's some disagreement.
	You're so allowed to do that.
	Andrew, did you want to continue with- Yeah, let me, sorry.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I was trying to figure out what you meant when you said it's valid.
	So if everything he says about this is true, you say, but you're just talking about her feelings in general, right?
	So how she feels, you think, that that's going to be valid regardless of what the fact of the matter is?
	Totally.
	I think there's a, there's a, if someone is feeling a certain way, I think they're totally, if she's looking back at it and she's like, you know what, that was really gross.
	That made me feel really uncomfortable.
	Well, it probably did feel gross and uncomfortable.
	Is that the situation at hand objectively?
	Who knows?
	But if that's how she feels personally, that's how she views the situation.
	That's why we asked why.
	And that's you ask why.
	Just like, why do you feel gross?
	It wasn't a judgment at all.
	There's nothing wrong with you questioning it and there's nothing wrong with her with her answering it.
	But I think then that's it.
	I feel like.
	Yeah, but you could see where the confusion would come in if we're trying to get to the fact of the matter.
	And instead of the fact of the matter, you kind of chime in with, but what about her feelings, though?
	Well, we're just trying to get to the fact of the matter.
	What about her feelings?
	Well, that's why I asked you specifically what she said by valid.
	And what she meant by valid was how she feels, right?
	What do I look when he's talking?
	Like, where is he?
	Straight up.
	Like, you can hear me, so like, look to the heavens.
	Tell me what like valid meant, and like valid just meant like feelings, right?
	Can I talk?
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, and it's your thing.
	Yeah, Dr. Records.
	So here we have that.
	Also, I'm going to talk to her the same way whether she's 18 or 19.
	And you should.
	Well, but you suggested maybe we shouldn't because she's a young girl.
	You never once said that.
	You said that you targeted in on her because she's the youngest.
	Okay, let me see.
	I definitely think there is.
	But I don't care what the fucking age she is.
	I'm just not because of age.
	No, but I think there is a level of vulnerability that I think she has that most of us probably don't at the table.
	And you guys know that.
	Come on.
	I feel like a lot of words are being put in my mouth from both sides, but I also agree with both sides.
	And I also think that.
	It's going to be a long show, folks.
	With this conversation, like, I think, like, after hashing through with you, like, I do kind of change my opinion a little bit.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I do kind of change my opinion a little bit after hearing your guys's.
	But I think that, first of all, I didn't say uncomfortable.
	And so, yeah, I think that's all I have to say, actually.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So you were dating a billionaire.
	How did you meet him?
	Was it a dating app?
	Tinder.
	Tinder.
	Okay.
	Billionaire was on Tinder.
	I know.
	Yeah, it was crazy.
	How do you know he was a billionaire?
	Did he have a Wikipedia page?
	He had a literal row of mansions that his entire family lived in separate houses on.
	Oh, he's got family wealth.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	He didn't.
	He never.
	Oh, so he's like a trust fund kid.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Wait, so okay.
	And real estate.
	So, okay, and you, so you met on Tinder.
	You were 18.
	He was 29 at the time?
	30 and then 31.
	Oh, okay.
	I see.
	And so how long were you seeing him for?
	Six months.
	Six months.
	Okay.
	And given that he was a billionaire, did you kind of reap any benefits from that in terms of, was he kind of like a sugar daddy?
	Was it a sugar daddy thing kind of?
	No, I never got any money, but it would just be fun stuff.
	Like, I'd be like, you know what'd be fun right now?
	Air hockey.
	Immediately air hockey table, just like wherever I am at the moment is now there.
	Isn't it?
	It's kind of amazing to me, like an 18-year-old girl is dating a billionaire.
	Like, that's good for you.
	Just that's it.
	Can we go back to the air hockey thing real quick?
	Did you say that your motivation was what was really cool about it was anywhere you could go, there would just be air hockey there for you?
	No, I just think that's one of the interesting things.
	That wasn't the main draw.
	It wasn't, I'm not, like, that air hockey focused, but I'm just saying, as far as perks go, that it wasn't like all perks.
	That wasn't why I was there, but as far as perks go.
	Were you living with him?
	No.
	Okay.
	Would he take you on trips?
	Would you guys vacation together?
	He like did not talk to anyone or go anywhere.
	We went on like local trips, though.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Nothing.
	Yeah.
	So you could have just been essentially dating an average dude.
	Like it was the same exact your lifestyle didn't change in any way because you were dating a billionaire.
	I think.
	Maybe his house was nice.
	I don't know.
	I was just like, getting what I want on request is like so fun.
	Wait, what?
	Getting what I want on request is so fun.
	Like, what are some examples of that?
	Yeah.
	I'm curious about that.
	Well, first of all, air hockey.
	Air hockey.
	Air hockey.
	I really like that.
	Did they just carry around an air hockey table for you?
	No, I was just using that as an example.
	Okay.
	But like, I liked alcohol at the time.
	I could get that.
	Also, that's kind of weird that I was 18 and this dude's just like giving me as much liquor as I want.
	Were you asking for yeah, I'm not saying it's super weird.
	I'm just saying it's a little bit weird.
	Well, I certainly wouldn't advise men over 21 buying alcohol for it is illegal, actually, so it's a little bit weird.
	Yes.
	I think it's great.
	It doesn't require billions of dollars, though.
	What are the billion dollar perks that you were getting?
	Him being a billionaire sounds like it was totally secondary.
	Like it didn't even.
	It was like one billion.
	It wasn't like a million billion, you know?
	That's still a lot.
	That's still a lot of money.
	Yeah, it was like, it'd be like a $7,000 hotel room or like a Bentley, and I'm allowed to drive it really fast.
	Wait, so okay, you're 18.
	You dated a billionaire.
	How do you go from dating a billionaire to dating a broke college guy?
	Like, there's no going back.
	I don't think you can go back.
	It's so high.
	It's really great for me.
	I actually cut off like so many people.
	Like, no one's allowed to be mean to me now.
	Wait, hold on.
	So after dating the billionaire, just so I'm clear, after dating the billionaire, now your standards are elevated to what?
	It's not really about money.
	Just the treatment, I guess?
	But I mean, sometimes it's about money.
	If it was like, it's kind of like every, if you were to think of it entirely transactionally, there's like different aspects.
	There's attractiveness, there's like your ability to have sex, there's your personality, and then there's money, you know?
	So it's like you have to have a certain number of some of those stats.
	You don't have to have all of them.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, I think it was valuable enough that she gets to say she dated a billionaire.
	That's obviously a big thing, right?
	For someone.
	Is that a flex?
	Not that.
	I mean, girls talk about it all the time.
	We're talking about it on this podcast.
	So that's some sort of worth to that.
	I wasn't trying to flex.
	You more just asked me a question and I was like, this is interesting.
	So I answered with that.
	No, I wasn't for it.
	I wasn't saying you were trying to flex, but I don't know if it's a flex.
	Like, I one time dated a billionaire who I no longer see, and I also think it was gross.
	That's probably not like.
	No, I think that you asked her, Do you have anything interesting that you've done?
	And then she said, Well, I dated a billionaire, and then how'd you?
	And then, how wasn't?
	She goes, Well, looking back, it was gross.
	I like that you're taught, like, are you her lawyer or something?
	Like, are you a fucking her advocate?
	Hello?
	No, she's invested a lot of people.
	Can you agree with me?
	No, that's that's fine.
	So you also said that you actually going around the table on this really quick, who here considers themselves a feminist?
	And we can delve into that a little later on in the show, but just going around the table, who's a feminist?
	What exactly does like feminist mean?
	Like, what exactly is like a feminist?
	What is something a feminist would say?
	No, it's a genuine question.
	I think that would be a good idea.
	So we would say a good descriptor for this might be a push for an egalitarian society between men and women where both are seen as equals.
	That would be kind of a general state, the most generous that I could give for a definition of feminism.
	I just think everyone should be treated equally.
	So I don't, maybe, I guess.
	Okay.
	So that's probably feminism.
	Okay.
	I guess.
	No.
	No, what?
	No, she's not feminist.
	I don't.
	I wouldn't say I consider myself feminism.
	I think my train of thought kind of really ended during the second wave.
	And I think that we've kind of digressed into something that I can't really comprehend.
	I think in a lot of ways, I think I have a radical sense of feminism when it comes to like men becoming women.
	And I'm very sacred of what I don't believe in birthing mothers.
	I believe in women being mothers.
	And if you're a trans woman, you are a trans woman.
	You're not a woman.
	Well, in your pre-show notes to us, you stated you were a radical feminist.
	So are you not a feminist?
	Are you a feminist?
	So I think, like I said, in terms, I think when it comes to.
	Sorry, well, Kinky Springflower donated $200.
	My sprinkler goes like this.
	I have a sprinkler like this.
	Comes back like this.
	It's good.
	It's good.
	I have that same sprinkler.
	Thank you.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	You were saying?
	Yeah, I think in a very traditional sense, I think there's a lot of values of radical feminism that I agree with that is align with, like, I don't agree with, probably probably call me a TERF, totally fine with that.
	OnlyFans, I'm very, and sex work, I'm not comfortable by.
	So yeah, in those ways, yeah, definitely radical feminism.
	But in the way feminism is described nowadays, I'm not, I can't appeal to it, no.
	Well, what is the way it's described in modernity that you are so resistant to?
	Man, I think a lot of femininity is lost in modern-day feminism.
	I think there's a push for, there was a push in the second wave for equality, that women should be able to work if they wanted to.
	They should own house and have their own credit card if they wanted to.
	What we have now is that women are kind of expected to almost behave like men.
	And that's just where I just don't feel comfortable because the reality is that women, we will never be like men.
	And we shouldn't ever aspire to be like men.
	And I think that's kind of where everything's being pushed with feminism.
	We're not equals.
	There are ways that men are better and there are ways in which women are better.
	And there's nothing wrong with that.
	There's nothing wrong.
	So if I were to ask you about policy and say, well, what kind of policies are you talking about that you're actually resistant to?
	Because it sounds like what you're talking about are the effects of already pre-existing feminist policy, which has led to this current state.
	So if that's true, then wouldn't you be resistant to the first and second wave feminism, which led through policy to the current state that you now resist?
	That's a really good question.
	I totally, it's a very good point.
	I mean, how did we get here if it weren't for the first and second wave?
	You know, we can always argue that the sexual evolution completely, so sorry.
	I think that you can totally argue that a sexual evolution completely dismantled what it is to be a woman and it radicalized a lot of things for us.
	So it's such a good question.
	I really, you can.
	But what's the answer?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	You don't know what the answer is.
	So you don't think that the thing that you're the most resistant to right now, which clearly led from the policies that you just got done saying you supported, isn't a thing which now you should maybe push back against and say, well, those policies clearly led to outcomes that I don't like.
	Yeah, you're completely right.
	It's one of those situations where you look at it and you go, the first and second wave you're so passionate about.
	How did it, how did it come?
	How did it get here?
	That's all that I can really think about.
	And I don't know all the answers.
	I don't, but I'm completely aware of where it's led us.
	Can we call you maybe a feminist in recovery?
	I think some people have joked that I am, yes.
	Yeah, well, good for you.
	At least you're thinking about the fact that being a feminist in modernity must be, or the things that you have an issue with must have come from the policies previously.
	So I'm glad to see that you're in your mind at least pushing back against that.
	Yeah, 1,000%.
	Okay.
	So going around the table, just are you a feminist?
	Oh, no.
	I want to be a housewife.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Yes, feminist.
	Okay.
	No.
	I feel like men should provide.
	Men should provide, okay.
	I'm right in the middle.
	I grew up with a mom that was a welder, and I also grew up just completely being independent, but I as well think that there is certain things, like you said, that men are better at and perhaps are best fit for.
	But at the end of the day, I think instead of choosing equality of men and women, I think it's equality of humans.
	And that's what I see.
	I don't think that it's necessarily that one man is better than the woman, nor should solely men provide.
	I think just humans should provide for themselves.
	And if it's in a relationship or any other dynamics, so be it.
	But I think we need to think of everything as humans, especially with all the transitions.
	Well, how many, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, go ahead.
	Oh, I just said just including all the transitions that are being made, especially with sexuality and sexual identification.
	I think at the end of the day, we're all human beings.
	And with that being said, equality is the goal at the end of the day.
	We all want to go somewhere.
	We all want to be somewhere if it's heaven or hell, whatever it may be.
	Equality.
	Yeah, when you say that we're all humans, I mean, that's obviously true, that we're all human beings.
	But wouldn't you say that human beings still are broken into categories for a reason?
	Like female is a category, male is a category.
	And those categories are necessary for us to even have conversations where we can break down what the human experience and the ontological nature of humanity is, right?
	Absolutely.
	I think we obviously are in those categories for that set-net reason of either providing more children, providing something of sorts.
	For men, it's more so that seed and all that such.
	I think at the end of the day, the way that I look at things is because of the advantages and the changes that we've made in present day, that regardless of having a partner or not or having a relationship or family to even depend on, one should still be independent of themselves and be able to rely on themselves and try to prosper as best as they possibly can.
	I don't think it's necessarily men over women, woman over men, none of that crap.
	I think it's really just insecurity.
	But if humanity is broken down into these categories, like male and female, which it clearly is, the reason that they're broken down is because there's a different nature to both of those.
	There's a different nature to males than there are to females, right?
	They're not interchangeable widgets.
	You would agree that that's true, wouldn't you?
	Completely.
	Yeah, so if they're not, then when we have these conversations, just kind of saying something like, well, at the end of the day, we're all human beings doesn't really mean anything because we really have to narrow in on what these different categories are so that we can have a discussion about what their preferences are and how they relate to each other.
	Okay.
	I mean, do you agree with that?
	I do agree.
	I'm just simply stating my position, just what I've seen and what I've grown up with, and that's all it really was.
	It wasn't necessarily coming down to that cross of we are human beings.
	I'm just stating the obvious, and I'm also stating that I follow along both lines.
	Okay.
	Jeff, what about you?
	Are you a feminist?
	No, not at all.
	I love women a lot.
	Very pro-women.
	I grew up in a house full of women.
	I've got three sisters, a mom.
	I'm a very pro-woman.
	Okay.
	Pro-woman.
	And I'm like, anti-feminist ideologies.
	A lot of rage in there.
	A lot of revenge pursuit.
	A lot of simple ideas.
	Kind of like what he said.
	Like, at the end of the day, we're all people, which is beautiful.
	And that's all you meant.
	This is what you meant.
	Oh, we got a simple.
	At a point, men pretending to be women are voted better women than real women.
	And feminists cheer them on.
	Feminism has failed you.
	How can the patriarchy help you today?
	Wow.
	Isn't it kind of dope for the patriarchy, though, that men are better at being women than women?
	Right?
	That's like men are women.
	What is it?
	Yeah.
	Definitely a sports.
	That's all we got.
	Sports.
	Yeah.
	Destroying you guys and women's.
	Sports bigger than you.
	That's it.
	It's unfair.
	I think I might even be able to become an Olympic gold medalist when I start cheating because you'd be cheating.
	And you would be woman of the year and you'd be cheered on, and Bud Light would love you.
	What I was saying, though, is that.
	Dope, sign me up.
	Get me my sponsorship.
	I actually did a sponsorship with Budweiser like 10 years ago.
	They knew you were transitioning.
	In a minute.
	Or it's been a minute, rather.
	What's up?
	I don't think people words don't matter anymore, which is very flustering to me.
	So someone will say, like, I'm a radical feminist, but I think this, and you go, well, then you're not the thing.
	You're using a thing that you aren't.
	And so people say, oh, well, I'm a Muslim, but don't pretend like you know what Muslims are.
	Here's what I am when I say I'm a Muslim.
	It's like, well, they have a book, and you're not subscribing to the things that are in the book that make us believe a thing is what it's labeled.
	So I think a lot of this happens where it's like, I'm very pro-women, and I love them, and I want them to be protected, and I want them to be hurt, and I want them to be treated good by everyone and not hassled.
	But I also don't think men are pieces of trash for, you know, walking down the same side of the street as them, like late in New York or something, like making them nervous.
	Like, there's just so many things that I think we lost sight of, like, what we call things.
	There's a lot of victim mentality.
	It's annoying.
	That's what you're saying.
	Just be the thing you say you are and don't if you're not.
	Yeah, but I do.
	I totally understand.
	I totally agree.
	100%.
	I think that we are kind of at a time now where there's a label for everything.
	So people are very quick to say it's hard to have nuanced opinions because they don't have any label.
	So when you do say, like, for example, like I said, like, I have a lot of radical feminism beliefs, especially with, like, we were discussing with modern femininity.
	Like, 100% I do.
	But then it's like, well, what category is that?
	It's like, you can be, it's, well, how do you, how do you characterize nuanced opinions?
	We're trying to figure things out.
	So when you say that, you know, nuance is a category, right?
	Can you say that again?
	Sorry.
	You would say nuance is a category, wouldn't you?
	1,000%.
	I wish there was.
	That's how you would categorize a nuanced opinion as being nuanced.
	So if you're out there, if you're saying, though, that you have a nuanced opinion, you should tell us what the nuance is in the opinion, and then we could agree with it or disagree with it.
	I think that's exactly what I did.
	Go ahead.
	I think that like we get like so, sorry.
	We get so caught up with like this one person and what they're doing to this specific thing.
	It's like I really don't care about women's sports that much.
	I don't care at all.
	And if that makes them happy, that makes them happy.
	If people want to say different words than I say, that's fine.
	If I hate the words they say, I can just not hang out with them.
	Wait, so hold on, hold on, hold on.
	What about women's?
	You said you don't care about women's sports.
	Yeah, so I don't care if there's trans people in women's sports.
	If they're happy, I don't care.
	So you don't care about the biological females and women that they're competing against?
	If they care, that's cool for them and they can advocate for themselves.
	But I'm just like, I don't need to be part of any of that conversation.
	And I think a lot of people that should just a side effect of feminism is genital warts.
	You could put a mirror up to your snatch on a Monday and count seven warts.
	Tuesday, 12, Thursday, 30.
	Every show, Jay Butler.
	Good to see you, man.
	So just some context.
	Some context for you guys.
	Jay Butler, every single show, he's a urologist in Nevada, Las Vegas.
	So he sees a lot of pain.
	And every show, he sends a chat about herpes.
	I love that.
	Thank you.
	That's his shtick.
	That's his thing.
	Guys, if you're in, what's the county called?
	It's not, it's in Vegas.
	What's it called?
	What's the county called?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	It's shit.
	Anybody in the chat?
	What's the county for Vegas?
	Chat, please.
	Anybody?
	Please?
	it's clark clark county i think is it clark county or is it i'm trying to think of the Clark.
	Yeah, Clark County.
	If you're in Clark County, Jay Butler, just search urologist Jay Butler.
	Imagine if that's actually his.
	Okay, cool.
	Thank you.
	But things exist outside of your interest just because you don't care about female sports.
	Henderson?
	Was it Henderson?
	Clark County?
	Go ahead with your point.
	What were you saying earlier?
	You were saying that labels aren't specific enough.
	Labels aren't helpful.
	Yeah.
	So when he's calling me a feminist, that's a really broad thing.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Word.
	Word.
	Yeah, but that's why we're asking a series of inquiries, so that we can narrow down the thing, so we can figure out what you believe, so we don't strawman what you believe.
	Right, categories are important.
	Responding in the chat, yeah word okay, um.
	Well, so the reason I went around the table on this is because uh, so you consider yourself a feminist, correct?
	So you said that you don't think women should work.
	Now i'd like you to perhaps go into that.
	Why you think that, what do you mean by that?
	But it on the surface.
	It strikes me as something that's a bit antithetical to the aims and goals of feminism.
	So do you care to elaborate on you thinking women should not work?
	I That's a little bit yeah, that's also like not very nuanced.
	It's more like women should obviously be able to work, but I don't think they should have to.
	I don't think it's like, I just think, I think it's on a personal level.
	I think that I shouldn't have to work and I don't want to work.
	But what the camera guy was saying about what the camera guy was saying about the definition, like I believe in that definition, but that doesn't mean that I don't think that like traditional values are bad.
	I just think everyone should be able to choose, you know, and feminism is being able to choose to do that.
	So feminism is the being able to have the choice of, as a woman, being able to work, but also not like men don't, you do realize men don't have that choice.
	Like men don't have the option of like the fallback of, okay, I'm just going to find a wealthy woman to take care of me.
	Right.
	And they shouldn't.
	They're providers.
	They could?
	Men are providers.
	Do you think they're going to be like a radical feminist over here?
	There's a lot of people who are.
	Well, then what do we get for all the providers?
	That's insane.
	I don't know what's so insane.
	Huh?
	Because we're talking about feminism.
	Yeah.
	And then you guys are saying things that aren't feminist at all.
	So that's just puzzling, isn't it?
	Well, I already explained why what of my beliefs would be categorized as radical feminism.
	We already went through that.
	I don't know if you were present.
	I think you were waiting for your next comedian joke to pass.
	No, no, I haven't been trying to be funny at all.
	I've been talking to you like grown-ups.
	No, yeah, I know you're 80, and I'm like trying to talk to you.
	I mean, that's a bit insulting to excuse me.
	He's 40.
	Yeah, I'm 40.
	40, your experience, like we've, I went through it with radical feminism.
	Like, what?
	So you don't want us to use your stupidity against you?
	Is that what you're saying?
	No, I don't.
	Well, I mean, that's actually the position.
	The position would be: if you're calling him old and experienced, you're saying that he's just too smart for you, and you can't hold a conversation.
	Is that what you're actually trying to say?
	Yes.
	That has to be.
	I didn't feel like I was being insulted.
	I was just talking.
	I don't think you were being insulting either.
	Oh, you don't feel like you were insulted or you don't feel like you're.
	Oh, I don't feel like I was being insulting.
	I don't think you were being insulted.
	I'm never actually.
	He's like one of the most polite men.
	I'm curious what you think.
	I know you guys are loving each other.
	I see it.
	I do find Brian to be great, but I was saying that I'm going to ask you questions on the things you guys ask.
	That's all.
	I don't want you to think I'm attacking you.
	Yeah, but you're like 80.
	I know.
	I guess my age just came into it already.
	Like giving your own worldview against you.
	That would be insane.
	But that's not fair to like to references.
	I don't see how his age is kind of relevant here.
	And he looks like he's early 30s.
	Doing pretty good for 40.
	He's LA, LA.
	He hasn't had any girlfriends.
	No kids.
	That's what's kept you young.
	Kids are one of the greatest things in the world, but they do age you like a president.
	My friend just had a kid, and he looks like shit.
	It's only been two years.
	And I was like, what happened?
	He goes, kids, don't let me sleep.
	And I'm like, but no, but besides the way I look or me being old, I was just suggesting that he went around and said, who's a feminist and who's not?
	And he's asking follow-up questions about feminism and I'm not hearing anything that's feminist.
	In fact, wildly conservative values.
	So my mind, I said, this is insane because what I'm hearing doesn't fit into a category of what we're talking.
	Well, we just said we didn't get into where I would think that feminism, like radical feminism would be like included in conversation.
	We can totally go down that route, but you're the moderator and I think that's what I'm saying.
	Well, I'm more curious in getting a better understanding of I don't think women should work.
	You were talking about how women have a fallback all the time, but men don't have a fallback.
	They're forced to work.
	Women kind of need a fallback, like, because, I mean, that's like why I think women should be able to work, but why I think they shouldn't have to, is because if you're a woman and if you're married to someone, even if you're married forever, if that person hits you one day and they're providing for you and then you have to get away from them, you don't have that providing anymore.
	You need to get away, and now what do you have?
	Nothing?
	Well, when you say that women shouldn't have to work, right, you would agree that right now women don't have to work, right?
	Yeah.
	Do you agree with that?
	Yes.
	Yes, you agree that women right now shouldn't or don't have to work.
	So what you're really doing is putting in the mandate that you would prefer that they have the option to work.
	Yes.
	Okay, gotcha.
	I just wanted to clarify this.
	So your position is that your preference is that if women want to work, they should be able to.
	Like I would say, like for my own lifestyle, like I would prefer something like what you're talking about.
	But I don't think that everyone else should be forced to do what I want to do.
	I would prefer to just do whatever I want all the time and have another grown-up pay for all my things.
	You get it?
	We would all love that.
	Yes.
	That's insane because that's not real.
	I mean, some people have that luxury, but it's pretty tough.
	I think.
	So, well, here's the follow-up is do you think anyone should have to work?
	Or just that women shouldn't have to work?
	I don't think, I mean, ideally, like something like the way that we're working, like everyone's working, like a five-hour work week, and we've been doing that for so long, even though the development of technology has made it so that the same amount of work that was done in a week, like 200 years ago, can now be done by like that with a robot.
	So we should all be hanging out, but it doesn't work like that.
	So I should get to hang out.
	That doesn't really answer the question.
	That's your preference for what like your utopian society would be.
	But what I'm asking is, should anybody have to work or should only women not have to work?
	Well, someone has to work.
	Not me.
	Yeah, as long as it's someone else.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Right.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	Did you have anything more on that, Andrew?
	Yeah, so just to, I mean, just kind of push in a little bit, you realize that basically what you're advocating for there is complete and total selfishness, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, okay.
	She's honest.
	Yeah, she's honest.
	I mean, I can't take it anywhere from there.
	Yes, I'm selfish.
	Okay, I can at least deal with that.
	All right, she's honest.
	That's hard.
	I mean, for instance, my brother, he was telling me, he is like very, very smart.
	He is like, he has a really successful career.
	He's getting internships.
	He's a data scientist.
	He was like, I never want my wife to work.
	Like, that feels wrong to me.
	Like, I would never do that to her.
	You know, so it's like.
	Never do that.
	If anyone's mad at me for not working, they just don't have to date me.
	But also, I do, I'm kind of passionate about what I do, so I'll probably end up working if I like it.
	Okay.
	It's just not really a feminist position.
	And feminism typically espouses gender equality.
	So it's not a particularly strong feminist position to demand equality in the broader.
	It's actually like kind of conservative.
	It's tradcon.
	It's super traditional.
	Like, I want to be a stay-at-home, stay-at-home, not have to work and have a provider, male.
	I want that for me, but that doesn't have to be everyone.
	I think that everyone should get to choose their life.
	Well, yeah.
	Sure.
	I mean, everyone should choose their life.
	I just a sentence like, women shouldn't have to work makes it sound like you're talking about women and not just you.
	They shouldn't have to.
	Oh.
	They can if they want.
	So wait.
	Women shouldn't have to work.
	So how, let's say a woman chooses to also not date, get involved romantically with a man.
	Then she has to work.
	Then she has to work.
	That's on her.
	All right.
	Like, I don't know what's more feminist than every, like, people should be able to have all their rights, have the right to do what they want to do.
	You know?
	But you can be equal and not be the same, you know?
	But it occurs to me that aside from feminists wanting to secure women's rights in the form of actual legal rights, which they have, and there's total equality on that front, perhaps with the expression.
	Not really.
	Well, okay, no, we can get into that.
	But I mean, the only right that I can.
	Well, okay, actually, before I make my statement.
	So I was talking like women have equal rights under law.
	You said you disagree.
	How do you disagree?
	No, I, oh yeah.
	You said not really.
	Yeah.
	First of all, abortion, obviously.
	Anything else?
	I'm going to respond to the abortion thing, but anything else.
	Yeah, men can have abortions.
	Right.
	I was about to say men don't have any reproductive rights at all.
	So actually, you can make the argument that if we were to have, hold on, hold on.
	If we were to just actually completely outlaw abortion, like bear in mind, Roe v. Wade just kicked it back to the States.
	So you can still get an abortion in California if you're so inclined.
	If we were to just nationally total outright ban of abortion, that would actually be equality between men and women.
	So it's not clear to me.
	Now, I'm not making a statement about abortion.
	I'm just saying when it comes to comparison of rights, men have no reproductive rights, ergo.
	It's not an inequality between the genders that women perhaps are starting to lose some of their reproductive rights.
	Oh, I would love to talk about that.
	Well, men can't get abortion, so they can.
	You have complete bodily autonomy.
	But it's not an evidence of a...
	Women losing abortion rights is not evidence of, excuse me, something's in my eye, of inequality.
	And you also have bodily autonomy.
	I mean, the argument is over the body of another being who's not you.
	I mean, it's not really inequality because you go.
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	Okay.
	You wanted to come in, and then we'll come back to you.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, well, hang on, if you don't mind, you said not all.
	Right?
	I thought that that was an interesting disclaimer.
	Does that mean most?
	No.
	Okay.
	No.
	All right.
	Go ahead.
	Well, basically my point was is that you were saying that it's not an inequal or it's not like basically you guys can't get abortions, right?
	So it's like that isn't like equality, but it's also like, why is someone else in charge of what I'm doing with my body?
	I'm like an individual person.
	Like why do I have to listen to what you're saying about what I want to do for myself?
	Well, I'm not a shit.
	Sure.
	So I mean I'm not particularly inclined, at least at this moment, to get into an abortion debate, but we don't have to.
	But the point I was trying to make was, I said the statement that under law, men and women are equal.
	And she said, well, what about abortion rights?
	But I don't think that, again, it's not evidence of inequality between men and women because men don't have any corresponding reproductive rights.
	So if men had the option of, for example, if men could, and I assume most women would not be willing to make that trade of, well, if we just completely greenlight abortion, like you can, it's just totally legalized, but men can also opt to have you abort the baby.
	I'm assuming most women would not make that trade.
	I mean, yeah, obviously, because it's a body.
	So there's, in any case, so did you want to tell us the other ways in which.
	Well, like, if you, I'm having trouble thinking of a lot of reasons right now, but if you've like.
	You said you had other reasons.
	I forgot that you said legal.
	Most of it's not legal, or it's the failure to protect those laws.
	That's most of what it is.
	And I'd consider that legal.
	But also, if you look at a broader scale, like everywhere else in the world, there's so many examples that I can go through if you want.
	I mean, I don't know the political happenings of Ethiopia at this exact moment.
	I'm talking chiefly, I think, when I'm talking about feminism, I'm talking about Western countries.
	So I don't know.
	I'm not really privy to the going-ons of, I don't know, some small population country in Africa, for example.
	But I can talk about, broadly speaking, Western countries.
	Like I said, most of it is just failure to uphold the law.
	And then I can give you reasons.
	Such as like.
	Can you speak into the mic, please?
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	Like healthcare, there's statistics about women being treated wrongly or like not getting the kind of treatment they need more so than men.
	Stuff like that.
	Isn't it the case that women actually use health care more?
	My understanding is women are much more likely to go to the doctor, do preventative testings and screenings.
	Yeah, women live longer by men by at least five years.
	Well, that's irrelevant.
	That's illegal.
	But you said women get treated.
	What evidence do you have that women get treated?
	I forgot your exact words, get treated worse in a healthcare setting?
	Sorry, hold on.
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	Men do not have a lot of autonomy, but women do.
	Men have been conscripted into military service and lost limbs and they have to be.
	That's a very good point.
	Men also can go to Prissong for no payment of SHIELD support.
	Stop the cap.
	Yeah, that last war.
	The war is a very good one.
	All men in this country don't have bodily autonomy because every single man in this country has to register for the selective service.
	Correct.
	When it comes to the last one, we have totally done away with debtors' prisons, with the sole exception of child support payments.
	You can go to prison for that if you don't pay.
	But we've acknowledged and recognized that debtors' prisons are unjust and immoral and unethical.
	Yet in this sole thing, and something like 90 plus percent of child support payments are from men to women.
	So that's obviously a gendered, gendered issue.
	But sorry, you were going to go ahead.
	Thank you, Grid One, by the way.
	Yeah, Gridam, that is a good point.
	I don't believe in war or prison either.
	You don't need to.
	You don't.
	You don't believe in prison?
	What do you mean you don't believe in prison?
	I think, I mean, prison as prison is in the U.S., but yeah, I think that everyone should be rehabilitated and not necessarily released into the public, but everyone should be rehabilitated.
	Well, if you don't release them into the public, where would they be?
	In a rehabilitation center.
	So prison?
	And would there be bars in that rehabilitation center, which they spent most of their time behind?
	I haven't worked out all the details about bars, but I mean, the concept of prison is just weird.
	Well, no, I think it's weird for you to say that you want them to go to rehabilitation centers where they're segregated from the general population.
	I would like to know how you plan on doing that without imprisoning them against their will.
	Let me rephrase my original statement.
	I don't believe in prison, how we have prison.
	Yeah, I understand that.
	You actually already said that.
	That's why I'm diving into how you believe we should have prison.
	Like, look at, I forgot which country it is, actually, so don't look.
	But there's like a lot of prisons that do that, that have nice conditions.
	Like, people get abused in prison, and no one even abusers should be abused.
	I have something about this.
	Yeah, but I mean, you're probably referencing some of the Nordic nations, which put a lot of emphasis on rehabilitation for these kind of smaller demographics, which they can do.
	And they've had some limited success with that.
	But when you're talking, especially here in the United States, I'd like to know how you would move towards a more rehabilitation-centered prison environment when you know that you have to segregate off violent criminals from the general population.
	How do you plan on doing that without imprisoning them?
	That makes no sense to me.
	Well, things like no private prison, starting with that, no prison for profit, that's insane that that exists.
	Like, that's slave labor.
	Stop slave labor.
	We'll start with that.
	Yeah, but you know what federal prison is, right?
	What do you mean?
	Federal prison.
	Federal prison, which is under the purview of the state, federal.
	Yeah, I know.
	Do you think that the conditions in federal prisons are better than the private prisons?
	Because in many cases, they're not.
	So just moving from private ownership to public ownership, that's still going to have the same types of conditions that you're talking about.
	Jeff, did you?
	I was just going to say, I think this is another one of those things where it's like the words don't mean the words.
	So it's like, I don't believe in prison, but I do think they should be confined somewhere where they, so it's like you're just using, it's kind of the same word.
	And then another thing is like, it's so complicated, the punishment system.
	If someone were to assault and maybe hurt or do anything to a woman in my life or my sisters or my niece or something, now I've got to ask myself, do I want that person rehabilitated or do I want them punished?
	And then these might be called punishment facilities.
	Some people are beyond, there's kind of, there's addiction, there's a lot of things that go into when people hurt things and do things.
	They're not going to be mental illnesses.
	When they're not.
	This is very tough.
	I've been to jail and I've also worked in jails and these aren't sweet.
	They're not.
	This is not, this is not, we're not talking about like, oh, come on, give everyone a chance.
	And, you know, they just screwed up and they're being treated because of their race.
	There are bad people among us who have done some bad things, is all I'm saying.
	So it's like, it's not just like you can't just blanketly go, oh, they're being treated bad.
	It's like, yeah, a lot of them did bad things.
	They're in a bad place.
	They're there to be punished.
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	The girl with the weird prison opinions needs to learn more before speaking.
	As I am sure she is not as dumb as she seems, just supremely ill-informed.
	Be better.
	Grid one.
	Do you want to respond to grid one?
	I mean, I kind of agree a little bit.
	I didn't know the exact topics of conversation, so I can't whip out a bunch of rapid-fire statistics on you right now.
	And I think I would sound a lot more eloquent if I did.
	I'm just thank you, Grid One.
	But we haven't really whipped out any statistics on you either.
	Right now, we're just still in the forming of the opinion and trying to figure out if it even makes coherent sense.
	So we're not hitting you with stats.
	You're not hitting us with stats.
	Right now, we're just trying to figure out basic questions like if you want to segregate X amount of the public away from the rest of the public, how do you do that without imprisoning them?
	That seems like a question which doesn't need statistics to answer.
	Yeah, I mean, I started answering it, and then you got hung up on the first thing I said, and then I couldn't go through the whole list.
	But I could keep going through the list.
	Wait, so the whole list when it comes to what?
	What would I do if I had like supreme overlord power?
	Oh, was that the question?
	I mean, it seems like into the mic, into the mic?
	It seems like it is.
	Was that answer?
	We were talking about prison.
	Well, I thought before that.
	No, so the thing we were talking about before was I was asking you, so, okay, we were talking about feminism, and you said that women, or I said something about, well, we're equal under the law in terms of our rights, men and women's rights.
	And then you said you object to that.
	And I don't exactly remember how we meandered to prison, but we were talking about abortion and that people can go to jail for not even paying child support.
	We talked about warning.
	And then she said it kind of came into her.
	Well, I don't agree with war or I don't agree with jail.
	And we go, well, what would you do with jail if you didn't agree with jail?
	Let's not linger too long on the whole prison, on the prison.
	Yeah, no, that was a long.
	But so it sounds like you object to the debtor's prison.
	That's what's important for the conversation.
	But it sounds like you don't like prison in general?
	I don't like how it is now.
	I mean, I can certainly agree with you that there are certainly, for example, the rate at which inmates might be assaulted by other inmates or by even guards.
	There's certainly ways that we can better reform the prison system.
	I don't think that there should be people being physically assaulted and murdered in prison.
	So certainly there's reforms.
	And I agree with you that we, to some degree, we should be rehabilitating, but it sounds like you object entirely to the concept of a shit, what's the term, retributive justice system.
	I think only certain people should be like rehabilitated.
	I agree.
	Some people should be.
	Like there's certain people that absolutely deserve prison and there's absolutely people that are literally horrible human beings and there are some people that actually just need help.
	Like and there's a lot of people who can change their life around but I don't think there are certain things where like the prison system is a little can I cuss?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I don't like there are certain people that like deserve to be in prison and there's certain fucked up people but I like I think some people deserve rehabilitation.
	Sorry.
	Oh no it wasn't that it wasn't that.
	But yeah I don't know.
	I think like prison as a whole is like it could be fucked up but I think some people kind of do deserve that.
	Well and so people's first offenses that it mostly is rehabilitation which is the focus.
	Right.
	So it's usually very light sentences going through drug and alcohol anonymous things like this.
	Generally for people's first crimes.
	It's usually people who are habitual criminals or there's a user strike law in California.
	Well that would be a habitual criminal.
	Yeah.
	So oh sorry go ahead Andrew.
	Well, I was just saying so.
	I mean, if you're a habitual criminal, obviously those are the people you want to segregate off from the rest of society right, I mean?
	And also, when it comes to prison, there's a whole bunch of reasons.
	A lot of people push like oh, it should be purely, we should purely try to rehabilitate.
	But there's a whole bunch of first off, if there's somebody who's dangerous, get them off the street.
	They're in prison, they can know they don't have the capacity to continue causing harm.
	That's one of the things.
	It's also a deterrent, okay, if I just can get slapped on the wrist, get a slap on the wrist or get some, fine they're gonna keep doing their.
	Perhaps crime is more likely to occur.
	Also justice, if there's a victim.
	This whole idea that prison shouldn't be a punishment I do think that one of the valid arguments for prison being a punishment.
	Again, I don't think that once you're in prison, that's your punishment, your your loss of freedom.
	I don't think you should be like subject to like insane abuse in the prison.
	You shouldn't like they should try to protect you, that you are basically their.
	They have a duty to essentially keep you safe within the prison system.
	But one of the big things is, for example, let's say, that you kill somebody's son, or one of the big uh part reasons for imprisoning people in justice is so that this, this is like kind of getting whatever.
	Um, we have delegated our, we have delegated revenge to the state.
	Because in in a coherent society, you can't just like, if somebody fucks with you, like we can't have this sort of vigilante justice system where maybe you've got somebody innocent and now you've got like some fucking family vendetta.
	So one of the big reasons for for prison and for punishment is so that we don't descend into vigilant, vigilante justice.
	Um, because if, if somebody murdered your whatever and there was no justice system, you're gonna be like okay, i'm gonna murder their entire family right, and then they're gonna murder your, and then it's just.
	Then you get into this, This escalating domino effect.
	So that happened for thousands of years.
	Yeah, and so the judge would kill someone's wife and they say, I'm going to kill your son, and it just never ends.
	So gangs are just going to say that's how part of the social contract is we've delegated justice and force and revenge essentially to the state so that you don't see vigilante justice.
	And I don't want them treated good.
	I just kind of feel like you're arguing to something that I already said.
	Like I already said that I rephrased it.
	You know, like I just don't believe that it should be the way it is now in the ways where I like, I don't think that the laws are being upheld properly.
	Well, I think you're walking back your position because your initial statement sounded a lot to me like you wanted to do away with prison.
	Yeah, it was like, I don't believe in prison.
	There's no nuance in five words that I could convey to you.
	And then we looked into it and like you said the way we do it now.
	Well, you should be a bit more precise in your words because if you say you don't believe in prison, if you don't believe in people being incarcerated, I mean, that kind of begs us to want to challenge that statement a bit.
	Yeah.
	I think it would serve you better to be more precise in your statements because if you just say some just like kind of almost outlandish statement.
	It triggered me.
	I was like, wait, what?
	You don't believe in jail?
	But we asked follow-up questions.
	So do you not believe in prison?
	I don't believe it should be the way it is now, is how I rephrase it.
	I think we're going to move on.
	Yeah, please, Mike.
	If we're moving on, did you have one more thing, Andrew?
	Yeah, just real quick.
	So the gal who was dating the billionaire, can you raise your hand real quick?
	Oh, here we go.
	So I can see you.
	Okay, great.
	I just did just a cursory check.
	I actually can't find any 30-year-old billionaire real estate moguls, according to Forbes, not a single one.
	But he said he was.
	Do you want pictures?
	What's that?
	Do you want like proof pictures?
	Yeah, let's see what he looks like.
	I'm just kidding.
	Don't do that.
	That's it.
	Well, I wouldn't.
	Not on camera.
	Like, dox him, no, but I'll show you guys the heck.
	Does he have a Wikipedia?
	Every billionaire has a Wikipedia.
	Even if it's a few cents away.
	Yeah, there's only 30 right now.
	Could have been Hoodwings.
	Is he Saudi Arabia?
	Is he Middle Eastern?
	He's not a Saudi prince, if that's what you're alluding to.
	Family money, so it might be under.
	Is he Middle Eastern?
	I'm going to look up his dad's name.
	Because Saudi Arabia, are you coming back?
	Hello?
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm just handling something up like the phone.
	You're pendling something?
	Okay.
	LVN.
	I think he was just real rich, is what you meant.
	Sorry.
	He's not taking it back.
	Maybe.
	There's his race car.
	Wait, what?
	He's got a race car?
	All right.
	That's on Google, though, so let me give you some real stuff.
	Does he have a Wikipedia?
	No. I think the Wikipedia is like...
	Okay, hold on.
	Let's just read it.
	Let's regather the conversation here.
	So you think women and men are not equal under law?
	How?
	Please, into the microphone.
	Go ahead.
	I mean, I told you already, it's just the enforcement of the law.
	Enforcement of what law?
	I don't have any on the top of my head.
	Do you want me to keep brainstorming?
	Well, I mean, if you.
	I think 90% of it is, I think more than 90% of it is social and not in the law.
	So I think that's irrelevant, anyways.
	But also, there's abortion.
	And then also, which you guys don't want to argue about, and I don't really want to argue about either.
	And then the enforcement of the law is just like a small part of that.
	I mean, couldn't you actually make the argument that men are disadvantaged under law?
	For example, men are much more likely to get prosecuted of crimes when they are prosecuted of crimes.
	They're much more likely to serve longer sentences when compared to women who commit the exact same crimes in the exact same jurisdictions under the exact same circumstances with the exact same criminal history.
	Or, for example, no, I mean, it's sometimes hard to have the exact same criminal history, but so I mean, couldn't you actually make a very compelling argument that there's actually quite a bit of discrimination against men?
	Yes.
	Yes, you could.
	Yes.
	Sure.
	But I think it was your position that women are disadvantaged in this system.
	So I'm just trying to.
	Well, what do you mean by this?
	You mean just legally?
	I suppose, yeah.
	I mean, I think abortion, like, trumps all of that.
	And I also, I want to ask you who you think created the patriarchy.
	Who?
	Like, I'm just wondering.
	No, this is just.
	I can't make my mind unless I know.
	Good Lord Jesus.
	We can talk to men.
	We can talk to someone else if you want.
	I'm fine to talk about the patriarchy, but there are so many people here, right?
	I think they want to hear someone else.
	The founder of the patriarch.
	Like, God, come on.
	Come on.
	Okay, so hold on.
	Look.
	We're going to get through her stuff.
	You'll get, I know it's hard to not have attention.
	I know it's so hard for 30 minutes.
	You don't want to talk about prison.
	You don't want to talk about.
	I'll talk about it.
	You can't talk about the patriarchy.
	You guys are totally just fixating on.
	Wasn't it literally the question was, how long have you been single?
	And are you?
	Like, it's hot on weekend.
	Are you prison?
	No, we've moved on to who's a feminist.
	No, it's not a feminist.
	That was a good question.
	Yes, but this is the nature of fucking conversation.
	Yeah, for prison.
	Like, coming on along if we were talking about it.
	Yo, yo, yo.
	Look.
	This isn't your show.
	No, it's I'm going to dictate the pace of the conversation.
	Clearly.
	Yeah, clearly.
	You requested a brat.
	He's the modern.
	Andrew, I love you.
	Come on.
	Stop being a brat.
	All he's doing is conversation.
	I also want to talk about that.
	Stop being a brat.
	Okay.
	Stop.
	Unless you guys want to.
	I don't want to.
	We've already moved.
	Hold on.
	You've already extended this conversation, which you don't want to have by having to be extra about it.
	I've already been trying for the last 30 seconds to make an attempt to meander away, but because of your moaning and whinging and whining, we are still talking about it now.
	So please allow me to direct the conversation.
	And if you have quarrels with the conversation, you can just sit there and you can wait and whine, and eventually you will get the attention you so desperately desire.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	I think to finalize our point on this, it sounded like to me to kind of put a cherry on the fucking top of the fucking thing.
	Prison reform.
	It sounds to me like you want equality societally, but you want tradition romantically.
	That's where I think I'm getting at.
	Insofar as that tradition stands to benefit you, where said tradition does not stand to benefit you or women, you will not or you will prefer not to adhere to that specific tradition.
	So, for example, you want a guy to take care of everything, it sounds like, right?
	Yeah.
	I have a question.
	Do you Will you take your husband's last name?
	It depends.
	I also, I mean, I'm telling you, like, I would prefer if everything was taken care of.
	But if I meet someone that I really, really like and they don't have any fucking money, okay.
	If I like them, like, I don't, like, I'll work if I like them.
	But I'm just saying, ideally, for me, that's what I would prefer.
	Let's say you did find that guy that would take care of everything.
	Will you take your husband's last name?
	Sure.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh my God.
	This girl cannot make, like, give a straight answer.
	You just literally, 30 seconds ago, you said it depends.
	And now you just said, sure.
	I don't know where to try.
	don't know what your position is on any given thing because every single time we've asked you a clarifying question you always walk back your position or you change your answer and it's just like your words mean nothing You asked me.
	Your words literally mean nothing.
	The first question you asked is, will you take your husband's last name?
	And my answer is depends.
	And then you were like, depends on what?
	And I gave one, I gave you an ideal.
	And you said, if the ideal happened.
	And I said, sure.
	That's the depending part.
	I don't understand why that's hard to get.
	But it's not, it wasn't just this one instance, like every single time.
	Oh, I don't believe in prisons.
	Hold on.
	Actually, wait, no.
	It's this specific thing.
	And it's just, it's very confusing.
	That's all I'm trying to do.
	I don't know why we would be here if not to learn from each other.
	I mean, that's what we're here for, right?
	No, I'm here to argue with everybody.
	I'm very firm in my positions and my beliefs.
	I'm not, this isn't the Steven Crowder, change my mind.
	Like, no, I'm firm in my beliefs.
	Let's argue.
	I mean, I'm 19.
	I don't know everything about the world.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, I'm here to talk, and I can't get my opinion without value.
	That's fine.
	What?
	That's fair.
	Huh?
	What do you mean, that's fine?
	That's fair that she's 19?
	Means we understand what she said.
	No, no, you said that's fine.
	Do you think that's a fair point, valid that she's 19?
	The fair point is that you're not.
	What do you mean?
	It's not a fair point that she's 19.
	She is, in fact, 19.
	No, I'm asking you a question.
	I'm not trying to argue.
	Chill.
	Hey, I mean, it's a fair point that she's asking.
	I'm not asking a question.
	I'm just asking, do you think it's a fair point?
	I'm not trying to.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead with your point.
	Chill out.
	Come on.
	I'm chill.
	Go ahead.
	Get a clany.
	Come on.
	She's asked, she's just, she said, I'm 19 years old.
	Do you think that's a valid point?
	Like, for all her, all her contradictions.
	It's not just a valid point.
	It is facts.
	It's actually facts.
	So I'm failing tons of things.
	Are you dating a 19-year-old?
	What?
	Whoa.
	How old are you?
	No?
	Well, hold on.
	What are you fucking talking about?
	You're not dating a 19-year-old?
	What?
	No?
	What?
	When did I say that?
	One of your last few podcasts.
	I've never, I don't reveal my private relationship information, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
	Because she's like 19, growing.
	I feel like you have a real issue with her being too young.
	You've mentioned it multiple times.
	Whereas we're just talking to her like a grown-up.
	You're the one that's brought up her age and my age for it to be fair.
	You seem to have a real problem with the ages as opposed to us.
	We're just asking her opinions.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And she's telling her opinions in back.
	And we have never cared if she's 18 or if I'm 80.
	It has nothing to do with anything.
	In fact, I like the answer that I don't know yet.
	You know, I'm open to be changed in my position because you've argued every single point.
	So I'm surprised that you like her answer.
	I kind of don't like her.
	I don't like her answer.
	What they don't like is that I change my opinion.
	I don't see her as good or bad.
	I'm just talking to her.
	But you said that.
	And what you have said every point that she's made is bad or misogynical or bad or not.
	I mean, that's a great.
	A lot of her points I am kind of like, but do you think her being 19 years old has something to do with it?
	It's all I'm asking.
	I mean, I'm going to show you what I'm saying.
	That was a good one.
	Roasted to me?
	Yeah.
	I disagree.
	I don't think I do.
	I didn't hear what you said.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, she doesn't think she does.
	So now can we move the conversation on?
	1,000%.
	I'm never going to go, well, she's 19.
	I'm going to dismiss evidence.
	And totally derailed.
	And ask us for fucking.
	Okay, let's get back to you.
	I'm totally for the last 30 minutes.
	Let's go.
	I do want old are you?
	Because I'd like to know what age.
	Dating.
	How old?
	First off, I don't reveal my private relationship information.
	What was your question?
	At what age did you decide that you had your set of answers and you were done?
	There is no, we're always learning.
	But you see, you just said that you were set in your opinion.
	I mean, there is like if you really want to get into it scientifically, there is a point in time where your brain stops developing.
	And there is a point where I'm being hyperbolic.
	Scientific, just scientific.
	He's willing to defend his position.
	He's not just going to throw things out there and go, well, I don't.
	He's saying I have strong.
	I didn't hear Andrew.
	I'm sorry.
	He just asked what age.
	What did you say?
	What did you say, Andrew?
	Yeah.
	Is this the your brain stops developing at 25 years old argument?
	No, there's a certain age for men and women.
	It's very different.
	Yeah, what is that age?
	You can still learn.
	It's still 25.
	Yeah, you can still learn.
	Well, what do you think, Andrew?
	I mean, they're not going to be aware of that.
	You're already 25, right?
	So what do you think?
	They say the frontal lobe.
	Your brain stops growing, but that doesn't mean you don't learn things at all.
	The frontal lobe said that.
	I know, but why brain?
	The frontal lobe decision making is at 25.
	This is what scientists say.
	Let's say that's not the same thing.
	No, no, that's not true.
	There's scientists.
	Nope, it's not true.
	Some of them develop at least the part of the brain that you're talking about much earlier than 25.
	Some even after that.
	You're just talking about an average, not a stop level.
	Right, right, right, right.
	They said the average age.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And I'm not the same guy I was a year ago.
	Well, I'm definitely not the same guy I was 10 years ago.
	We're always evolving and changing.
	But I was like, I wouldn't dissubit.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's all we're doing.
	I can't believe I'm explaining this to you.
	All right.
	Here, let me get through my notes on this.
	Holy fuck.
	So you also said one time I dated a guy who was deaf, definitely doing crime.
	What?
	And accidentally made him flee the country/slash bend for a couple months, but like he's good at crime, so I don't want to eat him out, rat him out, excuse me.
	Rat him out publicly on the media unless I change some details.
	You want to hear about that?
	So you were dating a guy who definitely was doing crime.
	Would you care to specify which crime?
	I'm not sure which one, but I know it's happening.
	I was like, I like left while he was asleep, and then I lost one of my socks.
	So I go digging in the couch, and there's just a bunch of fucking iPhones.
	And then I pick them up, and they're like new, new ass iPhones.
	And then so I pick one up, and it's just full.
	That's a little bit snoopy of me.
	That is typical billionaire behavior.
	Just a lot of iPhones laying around.
	Guys got it like that, you know?
	I'll show you the, what's it called?
	Air hockey table.
	Anyways, just because I feel you guys don't believe me.
	I believe it will show you.
	I think it's too specific to not be real.
	You know, who would think of air hockey tables being delivered on demand?
	That's a different guy than the crime guy.
	The crime guy's also, yeah, he's cool.
	But so I looked at the iPhone and it's just a bunch of notifications of apps I've never heard of and they're all in French.
	And then I'm looking at this guy's Instagram and I'm like, oh, I'm into the mic.
	Sorry.
	I'm looking at his Instagram.
	I'm like, oh, private jet, like all this crazy shit.
	And then I'm like, so what do you do?
	And he was like, ice cream.
	So then I went and hung out with him with my other friend.
	And then we were going back to a hotel after like the club.
	And then he left his wallet at the club.
	So he was like, you guys go ahead.
	I'll meet you there.
	Are you arriving at the point?
	Well, did you?
	I actually didn't hear about it, so I'm telling you a story.
	But there's all this like extraneous, kind of unimportant details.
	Well, have you noticed that's how she talks, and you've just been harping on her.
	Okay, cool.
	So you said he was definitely doing crime.
	Where's the crime?
	What is just tell us what the crime is?
	I don't know.
	But I know it's happening.
	Like, I'm like 100%.
	So it's a crime to have multiple cell phones.
	And there was ice cream ton of ice cream.
	I'm not done with the.
	There's more details.
	Okay.
	So he was just being sucked.
	Let me say this.
	We think, okay, my friend who met him, and I went through all this with, she had a friend who did the same crime.
	And then she was like, it is that.
	Because, okay, no, this is the end of the story.
	That's when all the fun stuff happens.
	So we get back and we're like, he's not coming back.
	So we ordered like $500 of room service.
	And then he was like, I don't know why you did that, but okay.
	And then we go to the lobby to go get the food and I'm drunk.
	So I just go.
	Also crime.
	You're at 18.
	I just go, I know he's doing crime to the concierge.
	And then at 7 a.m. the next day, a suited man walks up to our hotel room and knocks on the door.
	Just to interrupt the story briefly, briefly.
	You ratted him out?
	On accident, I was drunk.
	I didn't think they would like check.
	Wait, you ratted him out and then they told people?
	Well, yeah, because, okay, listen.
	So we think it's credit card fraud.
	So then they know our room number because we got room service.
	And then the next day, I'm trying to valet my car and I'm like, oh, he'll pay for it.
	And then, so I'm like, and they're like, what's the room number and the, I think that was for me.
	What's the room number and the name?
	And then I said the name and he was like, that's just not the name.
	And I was like, no, it is.
	That's who, that's who was in that room.
	And then they were like, oh, fraud.
	And then he just disappeared off the face of the earth for two months.
	Like, no social media.
	Like, social media deleted.
	Like, I checked on someone else's phone to make sure you didn't just block me.
	And now he's back and mad.
	Crime.
	That was a great story.
	I especially like the part where you snitched on him.
	I was drunk.
	I wouldn't have done it if I thought that it would matter, but it, yeah.
	Well, I mean, drunk snitching, still snitching, right?
	It was not my bra.
	Yeah, I agree.
	That was a bad thing for me to do.
	And she's soberly talking about it on socials and in public.
	I think that's interesting.
	You asked.
	Last thing for you.
	You said, God damn it, I have some funny, threesome stories, but I would have to leave out the good parts.
	Yeah.
	Instantly.
	Yes.
	You have three.
	How old are you?
	You've done a lot since 1997.
	You don't know how old she is.
	You're the age person.
	Why'd you ask?
	How old are you?
	Kind of like making you have threesomes and you're 19.
	Okay.
	Well, just asking.
	Just asking.
	She's full body autonomy.
	She is full body autonomy.
	You have multiple threesomes or how many threesomes?
	Two.
	Two?
	Yeah.
	Multiply it by three.
	Oh, wait, no.
	And ring.
	Huh?
	Three.
	I forgot about one.
	It's getting higher.
	Oh, wait, no.
	Stop.
	Hold on.
	Go ahead.
	No, I'm joking.
	Wait, so more than no, three.
	We're doing the math here.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	It's hard when there's three people.
	You've got to count.
	Three, three.
	Was it two dudes in each or like two chicks?
	Two ladies and one dude.
	Yeah.
	Should we, like non-binary, maybe?
	I don't know.
	No, it's dudes.
	Boys, dudes.
	He, she pronouns.
	I'm sorry.
	He, him.
	Pronouns?
	Get up right.
	Standard hetero behavior.
	Good shit.
	Okay.
	All right, moving on.
	Jesus.
	Billionaires.
	And you're worried that we're asking.
	Well, I just feel like someone else.
	Too many hard questions.
	I thought the chat was done with me like an hour ago.
	Your podcast gold, baby.
	Yeah, so that's crazy, though.
	Billionaires.
	That's kind of like life on EasyMouth a little bit.
	Where's all the women billionaires?
	Oh, right.
	They got it all from their devotees.
	I have thought that some of my darkest thoughts that I don't usually say out loud are like, you know, like we like whether you feel badly about him or not, like, you know, you'll go Elon Musk.
	You know, we love, guys like me love Elon Musk, right?
	I love Jordan Peterson.
	I love Sam Harris.
	I love like a lot of intellectual minds.
	I love Rumi.
	I love.
	Where's all the female Elon Musks?
	It's like all the girls I know and who I love and value and respect.
	They can't shut the fuck up about Taylor Swift.
	Like that's your, that's your Sam Harris Beyonce.
	Who's that?
	That's your best.
	These are your best female heroes?
	I completely agree.
	I think Candace Owens is really pivoting the way for a lot of women.
	She's great.
	There should be some.
	I love some good women.
	I think you're a little limiting on your circle of who you listen to.
	Socially.
	But I agree.
	I feel like there needs to be a lot more females speak.
	I totally, I'm with you.
	There's not nearly enough intellectual or at least pseudo-intellectuals that can speak on things.
	I agree.
	I actually have a theory on this, Jeff.
	And Andrew, you might be familiar with this.
	It's the greater male variability.
	Is it a hypothesis or theory?
	I don't know.
	But essentially, so my understanding is men and women's intelligence, I guess is it the average or the median, is the same.
	However, if you look at the extremes, there's a lot more like really stupid men, but there's also like a lot more really like genius IQ men.
	I've seen this.
	So women...
	Let me give the clarification.
	Yeah, go ahead, Andrew.
	So this is a hypothesis, the variability hypothesis.
	The greater male variability hypothesis posits that the males show greater inter-individual variability than females do in both physical and psychological characteristics, including intellectual abilities.
	Yeah.
	Andrew, forgive me.
	I don't know a lot about your background, but what's your hypothesis on that hypothesis?
	Why do you think that is?
	Seriously, I don't think you're like, why would that be a thing?
	Because women are just as smart as us.
	I'm like, I'm just going, why do we have to do that?
	Well, how do you know that?
	What is that?
	That women are just as smart as us.
	Well, there's no evidence that their brains are different than ours.
	As far as our bodies are, we're a little bigger and stronger, but their brains are the same.
	Well, I was already saying, what do you base off of what is smart to you?
	Well, just so you know, I just want to correct a couple things, right?
	So you're actually incorrect about that.
	Women have smaller brains than men do.
	Now, that doesn't mean that they're less intelligent, but I am saying that there are physiological differences.
	But when you're asking, are men and women the same when it comes to intelligence?
	On average, yes.
	But what Brian's kind of alluding to is at the fringes on both ends, you're going to find that there's, when you get up to the upper levels, that there's way more intelligent men at the higher levels than there are women.
	And this is the same thing for strength.
	This is basically the same thing across the board.
	I was asking if you had a theory of why do you think that happens or why that is.
	It's just the biological standard.
	So I think that that's probably necessary from probably your purview.
	If you're a Sam Harris guy, I'm guessing you believe in evolution.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so there would probably be an evolutionary explanation for this, which would push that men are the protectors and they also need to have leadership abilities and organization abilities and things like this in order to protect the greater society.
	So probably at the upper echelons, they would need to have this as an evolved characteristic.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	And when I was saying that we have the same brains, all I meant is like in studies, they'll show they'll give tests to males and females, and men and females are doing pretty much the same generally on the tests as well.
	Yeah, so basically men are just stronger, but I'm not hearing where the smartness comes in.
	Well, no, no, no.
	At the greater end of it, they're not.
	So when you're talking about the high end of intelligence, you find way more men at that high end than you do women.
	That's the point.
	It's not to say in the middle or in the lower averages are not the same.
	It's when you get up to the high end.
	Hold on, hold on, just hold on.
	Bye.
	I'm leaving.
	Wait, can you sit down?
	Oh, I thought you said come stay by.
	What?
	So why are you leaving?
	I have to go.
	Why?
	I have something that came up.
	What came up?
	It's personal.
	What do you mean it's personal?
	My boyfriend's getting mad at me.
	Wait, my.
	Your boyfriend?
	Hold on.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on.
	One, two, three, four, five.
	Why is your friend?
	Why is your male platonic friend?
	Yeah.
	Why is he getting mad at you?
	And why does he have any authority of it?
	He's your platonic.
	I think I just want to go.
	I'm just lying.
	Okay, why.
	Hold on.
	Why do you want to go?
	Can you please speak into the microphone, please?
	I don't know.
	I just.
	You're not enjoying the conversation?
	Not really.
	It's not a story form.
	You requested to be on the show.
	Is it because you're not getting enough attention?
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	Okay, but you're not feeling it.
	Didn't you say, hold on, but like, didn't you request to be on the show?
	Here, I have some notes here.
	Let me get in.
	I'll get it.
	It's different when you're doing it.
	Did you think it was going to be a one-on-one in your view?
	Here, at least I hold on.
	So just to do you a favor, because I don't want you to feel like you wasted your time.
	No, I don't want to get too much into that one.
	No, no, no.
	You provided some pre-show notes.
	So I, because you said you're not feeling like we're reeling you into the conversation.
	You said that you've had heated physical arguments and multiple celebrity altercations, hookup stories gone wrong.
	I want to give you.
	I feel that you drove here.
	You drove a long distance.
	I don't want you to feel like we haven't.
	No.
	It hasn't been valuable for you.
	So why don't we just get into it?
	So do you want to get into some of those stories?
	You said you had some funny, good stories.
	I want to get into it.
	Yeah, and then I just, I don't know.
	I'm kind of like thinking about if I should get into it because I mean, we could, if you don't want to get into it, but you want to stay for the panel, we reserved a seat for you.
	You requested to be on the show.
	So.
	Okay.
	You said.
	Maybe I'll get into it in a little bit.
	I don't know.
	Wait, get into what?
	I don't know.
	No, you said you want to be on the panel.
	I mean, not that you didn't want to, but.
	Is there anything?
	Just so I can try to reel you into the conversation a bit so you feel a little more like part of the conversation.
	Is there anything here?
	Hold on, hold on.
	Sorry.
	Is there anything dating related that you would like to touch on?
	Because I would like.
	Sometimes it's hard because we have a full panel here.
	Sometimes it can be difficult to fully get everyone in the conversation.
	Sometimes people have more dominant, more dominant conversational styles.
	So it can be hard for somebody who's perhaps a bit more introverted to feel like they can engage with some of these topics.
	Some people don't want to engage with certain topics like the feminism stuff.
	I'm happy to try to reel you in with some more dating related stuff.
	So is there anything dating related that you'd like to talk about?
	Maybe in a little bit.
	I'll just stay for a little bit.
	And then.
	Okay, well, sure.
	I'll ask you.
	Sure, I'll ask you some questions then.
	So you said you were single for six months.
	Is that no, sorry, excuse me, three months.
	Is that correct?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So you've been single for three months.
	Are you currently dating?
	Is there any guys in the picture?
	Kind of.
	Well, I started.
	Can you speak into the mic just so people can hear you?
	I mean, I've been single, but I started talking to my ex again.
	Was that the one that the guy who dropped you off?
	No.
	You've been talking to your ex again?
	Yeah, the one that I was with three months ago.
	Okay.
	And are there any other guys in the picture?
	Or is it just you're talking to your ex?
	I go on dates.
	I'll go on dates, but nothing like serious.
	Okay.
	Do you have like a roster, kind of?
	No.
	I mean, I like to go on dates.
	I mean, I like to.
	I like to be like, I like to be out.
	I like to go out, but I don't really.
	How do they get the dates with you?
	DMs or just they meet you in person?
	Work?
	Like all three.
	Oh, nice.
	Yeah.
	Asking a nurse out.
	Yeah.
	In person or social media.
	Well, in your pre-show notes to us, when we asked if there's anything on the podcast that you'd like to talk about, you had stated, I have a lot.
	I got into really heated arguments with I don't think I read it right.
	Like, I don't think I read it right.
	You didn't read what you sent me or whoever was communicating me, but what do you mean?
	You said, oh, do you want to talk about these topics on the podcast?
	I just thought you were like, I didn't know you were.
	For what other reason would we?
	Like, just to like, a general, like, I don't know if you're gathering like general information from everyone and like touch on stuff like that.
	But like, I didn't think you're going to like.
	And I was drunk when I messaged us.
	I don't even think I messed up.
	Well, you messaged us on Monday.
	I want to be on your panel.
	Emoji, emoji.
	And then you said the three questions we ask are: any crazy, unique, excuse me, any crazy, unique dating story stories?
	If so, what?
	Any specific dating-related topics, things you'd like to speak on during the show?
	If so, what?
	And then general thoughts, stance on modern dating, any hot takes, if so, what?
	And to 11, or to this, you responded, I got into really heated, you had some celebrity hookup stories gone wrong.
	Celebrity altercations.
	If you don't want to talk about it, that's totally fine.
	But do you want to talk about it?
	No.
	I don't want to say any name.
	I'm like ready for the TV.
	I love celebrity gossip.
	Okay.
	So you also said something about, I don't know, the Shara 7 agreements.
	Oh, yeah.
	I don't know what that is.
	Sprinkle, sprinkle, sprinkle.
	You don't know.
	What is it?
	You don't know about Spring Speaker.
	No, let her answer.
	Go ahead.
	I haven't really looked into her too much, but I saw her on TikTok.
	She's like, who's her name's Shara Stefan?
	Springle.
	Yeah.
	And she just kind of like teaches young girls how to talk to like higher value men or how to be to like attract higher value men.
	What's her credentials?
	Why is she teaching that?
	I have no idea, but I mean she gets a lot of fun.
	So what is her recommendations, I guess?
	Um so she basically talks about how I don't know.
	Let me see.
	Let me think of like a situation.
	Like she has a lot of different videos, but she mainly says like if it's her main like I think I think what I take from what she says is like if he's not doing what you want like have your standards high if he's not doing what you want him to do just leave or like on to the next type of thing.
	Such as what?
	Like treating you right, like if spoiling you, like anything you want.
	Okay, treating you right.
	Like just being treated right in general.
	Spoiling.
	Like I think me personally like I like want to talk to a high value man or like be spoiled or treated like I said like I feel like men should provide.
	So you think men should provide?
	What is a high value man though?
	Like in what in what sense?
	I think well there's a lot of different aspects but I'm talking about like their personality and like financially.
	So you want to be do you consider yourself a high value woman?
	I do.
	Okay.
	So what does that what does it mean to be a high value woman as opposed to a I suppose an average woman or a low value woman?
	Just maybe my beliefs, like how I think, how they, I think, like what, like I think I should.
	I've had and I've never been like treated like badly or a certain way like so I just have high standards, like meaning, like that in my relationships, like you just want to be treated right.
	No, like spoiled, like okay, or like provided for like, like like spoiled how.
	Like they want to get you gifts yeah, not spoiled, but just like the bare minimum, right.
	I think everyone like women like hold on, let's be precise in our language, because you said spoiled okay, spoiled.
	Now you're saying bare minimum okay, bare minimum.
	Like I think it's a bare minimum to get like flowers and be treated right.
	But I'm saying like on the first date yeah, do you not agree?
	I don't think men should be buying women flowers on first dates and I feel like that's why not?
	I mean, that's happening to me.
	I feel like that's like a little goofy.
	I think a lot of women and because every woman's different obviously, but a lot of women would be like what is this guy in love with me?
	He brought me flowers.
	I wouldn't do it because of that.
	They'd be like, oh Jesus, guy brought me roses.
	No, how is that autistic.
	That's showing like someone out at a restaurant and not late.
	You haven't seen those people come up to you with the flowers and you're just sitting in a restaurant.
	Yeah, the roses no okay, maybe not just a single rose yeah, I just feel like a bouquet is like you're his mom.
	He picked it out at Trader Joe's okay, but I think maybe I mean that's you, but no, I'm with you.
	I'm with you.
	I love flowers on first dates.
	That's, I mean, shows different.
	I mean I feel like if Good is for any guy, it's not mandatory for everyone, but I think me personally, that's what I like.
	If you ever brought a woman of oh, you don't talk about your personal, I've never don't ask, I don't really do that.
	I wouldn't do that.
	I can talk about it, but well, I mean I can talk about.
	What can you talk about with your personality?
	So I mean, when it comes to the flower thing no, I don't think I've ever thought it in like dances at school, I would like bring flowers.
	It's too extra, exactly.
	Well, I'm not trying to look like a love love.
	If you're, going on a first date with someone, I feel like you're trying to figure out if they're a good person or not.
	If that's something you want to like, continue and pursue, and if it's like not like, why are you bringing flowers getting to know each other?
	No, I ain't doing that.
	It's simp shit.
	It's simp shit like if we were, if we were This, if we were in a more traditional social order when it came to both men and women, like men and women have to hold up their ends of the bargain on both ends.
	I'm not going to go like, let's say, I'm here's the here's the current dating meta for the vast majority of people who are single and dating.
	Going into a first date as a guy, I've got to assume that that girl, let's say I meet her, certainly if I meet her on a dating app, I'm going into that date assuming she's dating multiple men.
	She's probably sleeping with one, two, three other dudes.
	I'm not getting flowers for that chick.
	You're fucking another dude.
	You don't get flowers, point blank, period.
	If you want traditional, if you want traditional treatment as a woman, step one, don't be fucking another dude on our first date.
	Why do you automatically assume that?
	That's the dating meta.
	Well, I'd tell you.
	If you're on a dating app, that's kind of like that's safe to assume.
	It also be super naive to be like, she only messaged me.
	Right.
	She only wants to go out with me to the date, and I've got to get flowers.
	Also, I don't think you really like simps.
	You like the idea of simps.
	And then when they simp, you go, oh, this guy's a fucking clown.
	But also, it's just like what?
	The idea is also autism as a drink.
	It's not an insult.
	It's just insensitive.
	Yeah, it's pretty insensitive.
	I think it's not insensitive.
	People have autism.
	And you're saying, ugh, don't be autistic.
	Yes, that's an insult.
	You're using it as a smaller person.
	I think don't be autistic.
	Obviously, we all date.
	Autistic people are definitely a lot smarter than normal people.
	Yeah, but they're just weird.
	I don't know.
	Not really.
	No, disavow.
	Yeah, oh, sorry.
	But I think if you're entering on a first date, yes, it'd be flattering to get flowers and chocolates and balloons and whatever else.
	Or Berkin.
	I don't fucking know.
	But I think it's very selfish to expect that, okay, not only did we maybe both plan a first date, but now in addition to agreeing to going on a first date, I will be getting a gift.
	Exactly.
	I'm not making that.
	I'm not saying it's mandatory.
	No, I understand that, but I'm just saying, just like, as you can kind of see that mind light, like obviously you're getting gifted a flower.
	But also when you're going on a first date, too, like, what are you bringing to the other person?
	Exactly.
	No, that's what I'm saying.
	Like, to me, I think an introduction to anybody.
	I didn't bring anybody flowers.
	Exactly.
	Obviously, this is like a meeting and we're all having a conversation.
	So obviously, flattery is great too as well to introduce yourself.
	But I think on a date where it's like you guys are barely getting to know each other, especially off a fucking app.
	Right.
	I don't need to bring you a fucking condom too.
	No.
	Just do a little fucking, this is what we're doing together.
	That's a good point, Mia.
	And I look, I think opening the door, paying for dates, gifts, flowers, providing, these are reserved for women who are worthy of them.
	Just like women are not obliged to sleep with men on the first date, so too are men not obliged to immediately provide for you on the first date, especially if you're entertaining multiple options, especially if you're entertaining multiple options, you're dating multiple dudes.
	Maybe you're even sleeping with other men.
	That's the dating meta.
	That's the way a lot of, I'm not saying you, but like that's the way a lot of people move.
	And also just be honest.
	Yeah.
	Like if you're talking to other people.
	Cardi B has really made women's lives more difficult by saying things like, we're the best.
	They should chase us.
	They should like us.
	They should buy me stuff.
	I deserve it.
	By pumping this kind of stuff up, it just makes you sad.
	And go, no one's doing this for me.
	So I must be low value or something.
	And then also like if a nice guy who just really thinks you're cool and wants to be with you, you're going to go, but he's not doing all these things that I was told to guy.
	And then now you're chasing all these great guys out of your life.
	Because a lot of people are not doing anything.
	I'm not saying I wouldn't talk to them because of that, but I'm saying me personally, like every like pretty much every guy, if I went on a date or dated them, like, yeah, like I, they've done something like that.
	Like, or I'm not saying they all brought me chocolates and flowers, but like, I mean, they paid the bill.
	Like, they didn't look at me to pay.
	They asked me to pay.
	Like, I didn't do, they didn't say, oh, do you want to pay half and half?
	But did it last?
	Yeah, I got in a relationship.
	Well, I think that is the traditional.
	I mean, that is the traditional move for the guy to pay for the first date.
	But when you say, like, treating, spoiling, to be spoiled, I think in a relationship, that's spoil my kids or her kids.
	But me and her are to be in love.
	Like, it's like, we should be able to go to a lake and have Doritos.
	Sappy?
	I don't care about how much stuff you get out of it.
	And I know that men naturally want to provide for someone if they actually care about them and love them.
	I'm not saying, like, oh, I just met them and I want them to provide a spoiler.
	I'm just saying.
	Do you consider yourself a traditional woman?
	Yes.
	Yes?
	Okay.
	That's cool.
	Traditional.
	Wait, hold on.
	Do we do the.
	Hold.
	Wait a second.
	Hmm?
	Do we do the Instagram?
	wait did you you deleted something from your instagram before you uh your traditional Traditional?
	What?
	Are you looking at my Instagram?
	I'm looking at the Instagram.
	Doesn't look all that traditional to me.
	Just saying.
	Andrew, don't you have something on this?
	You haven't talked for a while.
	Andrew, you still there?
	No, I'm missing.
	Yeah, yeah, no, I'm still here.
	I was just patiently listening through this debacle.
	What does her Instagram say?
	It doesn't say anything, but there are some.
	There's some, here's my ass photos, kind of.
	Sort of.
	Like, here's my titties, a little bit.
	I mean, not totally, you know.
	I've seen more revealing stuff.
	Nurse stuff, you know?
	Nurse.
	Nurse things.
	Nurse.
	I swear there was like, I think you took one down before the show, but there was.
	There was definitely one that was.
	So what would you say makes you traditional?
	Husband's last name?
	You take husband's last name?
	Yeah.
	I feel like I would, what's the word I mean for?
	Like, be submissive.
	I'll be submissive if I'm treated right, if the man is providing for me.
	Like, I feel like in that way, like, I'm traditional.
	So if the man earns it.
	Yes.
	That comment.
	Is that the answer?
	If the man earns it, then you'll be submissive.
	What do you mean by earn it?
	Well, so I'm trying to figure out what the qualification is because I think that you're what's called conditionally traditional.
	So you're traditional with conditions.
	What traditionalism means is that you're following a tradition, even if it's against your preferences.
	So it sounds like you prefer this if the conditions are met.
	Oh.
	I guess.
	Can I add something?
	Sure, of course.
	I think with Instagrams and stuff, I wish that young people would realize you're fishing with that.
	The internet isn't real.
	No, but no, but it is real.
	It's real enough that you think you can put things on your Instagram and they go, whoa, I wasn't putting out anything.
	No, that's what you're fishing with.
	That's true.
	You think a nice guy's going to pop around and go, like, oh, this is like a woman that I would respect.
	We all like it.
	I love, I'm a big tid guy.
	I love hot chicks.
	You know, I'm into it.
	I'm just as much.
	He's into it.
	I like Taco Bell as much as I like a five-star restaurant.
	But my point is, you can't fish with these things and then be surprised the fish you're catching.
	Yeah.
	I would say.
	I feel like I have gotten to like serious relationships where I'm treated right.
	And I met people off Instagram before.
	So, I mean, I think it's just different for our people.
	Right.
	Oh, you did mention there were some celebrity hookups, it sounded like.
	Did you want to maybe talk about any of those?
	No.
	Okay.
	Well, we could pull up the Instagram, right?
	Well, Nick, I said, Nick, just pull up our Instagram and go to the chat.
	It's the very first one.
	I just linked it in the chat there.
	While you guys do that, guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow.
	Drop us a Prime sub if you have one, twitch.tv slash whatever.
	If you have Amazon Prime, you can link it to your Twitch.
	It's a quick, free, easy way to support the show every single month.
	I have a quick question for you, Brian.
	Yeah, of course.
	Of course.
	Okay, so I've heard a lot on this show.
	Different women say that they have hooked up with various celebrities, but they never seem to tell us who the celebrities are that they got together with or things like that.
	I feel like if it was men who were on the show, they would tell us.
	They'd say, I hooked up with Mariah.
	You know, they would tell us.
	What do you think the motivation is behind the women not telling us who these celebrities are?
	Do you think these people are full of shit?
	I don't think it's that they're full of shit.
	I think it's just like being discreet and discretion and obviously respecting these people's privacy.
	And maybe there's NDAs.
	There could even be NDAs involved.
	Some of these fucking Justin Bieber, that motherfucker has chicks sign NDAs and shit.
	So if they're famous enough, they can get away with the NDA.
	So it could be that.
	There's also an element of we'd start criticizing whether they're a real celebrity or not.
	You start playing that game like, oh, really?
	This TikTok streamers, the celebrities.
	You have it.
	You have it?
	Okay, let's pull up the IG.
	Respecting their privacy.
	This is Kyra's Instagram.
	We'll scroll down a little bit.
	Nick, a little smaller on the video.
	No, Us, us.
	Smaller.
	Okay.
	Oh, it's not clicking on the.
	Oh, my.
	Yeah.
	Bigger.
	If the ass is in water, it doesn't count as well.
	I swear there was another photo.
	Scroll down.
	Wait, click on the first.
	I mean, this is the last one.
	I mean, clicks.
	Yeah.
	Oh, is there.
	Oh, we don't have a smaller one on the other side, huh?
	Can you just tie this for a sec?
	Okay, there's that one, X. Slay.
	And then there's the red dress one.
	There's that one.
	I mean, it's not, I've seen worse, you know.
	I don't know if it's traditional.
	I think you can get red click.
	There's only eight pictures up here.
	I don't even know if they have a picture.
	X out.
	That'd make me have some.
	That is what we call traditionally a skank.
	That's traditionally what that's reduced to me.
	That's me.
	That's crazy.
	It's not referred to as a traditional woman.
	Oh, God.
	There's no traditional woman who would put those pics up.
	What in the world would be traditional about that?
	You guys begged her to come back and you were like, no, no, come on.
	Like, if you want to talk about this, we can talk about that.
	Oh, I didn't.
	You come back to argue.
	And then, like, to just be on the podcast.
	That's Andrew.
	This is going to be on the podcast.
	That's Andrew.
	This is me.
	You're right.
	You're right.
	So that's kind of a... I feel like pictures don't...
	Like.
	Well, also, just like what, like, just because she's posting like hot pictures of herself, what does it mean anything about her character?
	Well, okay, when it comes to being traditional, one aspect of traditionalism or being traditional is, hold on, is modesty in appearance and character.
	So you're, and then also like what you're putting out there publicly.
	Okay.
	Modesty is a component of traditionalism.
	But also you have to take into account the way that the internet is today.
	That's the thing.
	Which is a very non-traditional, like degenerate.
	We didn't have pictures.
	Pictures didn't exist when traditionalism was invented.
	And also, you know, please, did you miss that?
	The next traditionalism invented.
	Say that again.
	Not invented.
	But like the way that things are, I mean, it wasn't like one day someone was like, it's going to be like this.
	But like, yeah, but sexuality.
	We didn't have iPhones at least.
	But like, I'm just saying.
	What are you doing?
	What do you mean?
	What do you mean if you can talk?
	So you're not going to rejoin the panel?
	No, of course I'm going to rejoin.
	How long has she been up for?
	Not that long.
	Like five minutes.
	Like, stop crying.
	But, yo, yo, yo, I'm not crying, but like, there's a certain level of decorum that you need to adhere to on a podcast.
	It's not, there's not going to be a negotiation of, I will get to sit back down when I get to talk.
	Please join the panel.
	What?
	You literally said, you literally said, I will rejoin the panel when I get to talk.
	That's not how this goes.
	Am I making this up?
	Is that exactly what she said?
	That is what she said.
	That's literally exactly verbatim what you said.
	I'm kindly asking if you will please rejoin the panel so we don't have people walking around in the background.
	Kindly, please.
	Oh my God, bro.
	This is a fucking childcare.
	Jesus Christ.
	Fucking daycare tonight.
	Can we talk about decorum?
	Because you, like, I think it's kind of rude to, like, have people come that you're just meeting, and they're your guests.
	Like, you're hosting.
	And I didn't feel like you were as kind as you could have been before the podcast started.
	How's your decorum when you meet people?
	I mean you didn't introduce yourself.
	I'm busy.
	I'm busy doing other things.
	Too busy to say hello?
	Yes.
	Too busy to say hello.
	To say hello to your guests?
	You could have said it from across the room while you're like, hey guys.
	Hey, sorry, I'm super busy.
	How are you guys?
	Yeah, no excuse or anything.
	You walked in, you ignored everything.
	Speaking of decorum, speaking of decorum coming from you, before the show, you said, I am here, come get me.
	Dude, I'm hungry.
	Please respond or I will go get a Sam sandwich.
	And we said, be down in the moment.
	And then you said, it's like, not that hard to answer the door.
	I kind of feel disrespected and don't know how much longer I'm going to wait.
	We have, there's a lot of moving parts to this podcast.
	Madison, one of our helpers, she's out sick.
	Nick has some stuff going on too.
	There's a lot of moving parts.
	We had a ton of people flaked today.
	Yeah, we weren't able to get to the door immediately to let you in.
	That's not disrespectful.
	That's common.
	That's common.
	I've been on the podcast multiple times and they haven't always been able to start right on time.
	That's very common for a podcast like this.
	Was he supposed to roll out the red carpet and kiss your asses?
	Is that what you're saying?
	I also don't talk to my guests before my podcast just because I don't want to have anything that we could have used on the thing.
	Can I ask you a question?
	So, Andrew, God, Andrew, you have your own podcast.
	Do you have guests on your podcast when you all the time, yeah?
	So, whenever they come in, do you ever, when they come into your space or studio, do you say hello to them?
	Nick, who is my agent?
	I'm asking him, can you chill?
	No, but you're trying to attack.
	You're trying to stop interrupting.
	You're trying to.
	You interrupted me!
	I'm asking you.
	Once again, I am the host.
	Ergo, I have, yes, as the host of the podcast.
	Can you answer the question when you have a moment?
	Do you say hello to your guests when they come on?
	And be totally honest.
	Okay, so I'll tell you the distinction.
	It's coming soon, boys.
	If I were Brian, I would have already kicked off half of you.
	That's how good he is and how bad I am at my job.
	I would have already kicked most of you.
	But do you say hello to your guests when they come on?
	I'll tell you this much.
	I'm asking you.
	Andrew doesn't, Andrew, my understanding is Andrew doesn't have an in-person podcast.
	No, that's correct.
	I don't have any questions.
	Also, I do.
	Nick there, I have an agent.
	Nick is my agent.
	He greets you on my behalf.
	I am busy.
	On your behalf.
	Well, and also.
	Bro, yo, yo, yo.
	I don't need, hold on, check yourself.
	I don't need the fucking attitude.
	It's been all fucking night with you.
	Relax.
	No, you've come in with a very nasty attitude.
	You have been like this for very much.
	No, I haven't.
	You've been very fucking nasty.
	No, I have.
	Yes, you have.
	Yes, you have.
	No, I think you're just hypersensitive.
	304.
	What does 304 mean to this?
	It's coming.
	I just personally think, like, I understand where you're coming from because you run a podcast and you're like trying to, like, because we got here an hour before the live stream started, right?
	So you're like, you're trying to figure out what's going to happen, what, like, your points are, and all this stuff.
	So you don't really have time to say hi to people.
	And, like, how you're saying, like, he is very, like, oh, hi.
	Like, I didn't feel disrespected at all.
	I appreciate it.
	Like, I thank you.
	He gave me tortilla chips.
	That guy.
	The tortilla ship.
	We have complimentary food.
	We have drinks.
	We provide you guys with water.
	It's fine.
	It's got to be debated.
	It's fine.
	I'm like, I don't know why we're getting into the meta of my conduct before the podcast.
	I don't think it's rude for me to be heavily.
	Bear in mind, we had a ton of flakes tonight.
	I don't want to get into that.
	People are running late.
	I'm trying to operate a smooth show.
	And when people cancel, people are in your job, right?
	You're wicked.
	Look at how she's smiling right now.
	This chick's wicked.
	Well, this is your job, though, right?
	Yes, this is my job.
	I'm just trying to cat in the ship.
	That's all.
	Yeah.
	Also, keep in mind, when it came to if you were to go to a certain Miami podcast, you would have been kicked off already.
	And the main host, he doesn't talk.
	You don't even see him until the moment the show starts.
	He's in another.
	Have you been on FNF?
	No, I just know how things work.
	No, the main host, he doesn't talk to anybody before the show.
	I talked to some of you been on FNF.
	No, I haven't, but I have a lot of people that I know of.
	I think, like, I came in here.
	I didn't expect to have the conversation prior.
	I've worked on a lot of fucking podcasts and streams.
	At the end of the day, we're working together.
	It's not like, hey, besties, hey, friends, like any of that shit.
	Yeah, this, I ain't your friend.
	It's a little crooked because you and I, we had spoken before.
	Hold on.
	You and I, you and I, we spoke outside.
	We were like totally bonded.
	And when we got in here, you and I sat on the couch together and we both had knowledge.
	Like, he has kind of a weird energy.
	He didn't even say any of us.
	So now you're like.
	I'm not pitter pattering.
	All I'm saying is, yeah, like it's.
	He had two other people greet us.
	That's nice.
	They must be up your systems of some sort.
	I'm not saying that it's necessarily rude.
	I'm just saying.
	But you did say he was rude on the couch.
	I was saying it was the most meta-like.
	I'm good.
	Let's change it.
	Hello.
	All I'm saying is at the end of the day, in his perspective and the way that he's built himself, I'm stating it is understandably so that he wouldn't interact with us because at the end of the day, we're not friends.
	We're just meeting each other.
	We're literally calling on this group and having a conversation online.
	It's something personal.
	Hey, guys.
	I didn't mean like roll out the red carpet as you said.
	Like you took what I said, which is I didn't get a high and you conflicted.
	I'm not obliged.
	This is how women view things.
	I'm not obliged to come and say hi to you.
	Why didn't I just flip this on you?
	Why didn't any of you say hi to me?
	I did say hi.
	And you're based in the middle of the day.
	No, you do know that he's in the middle of the day.
	Yeah, he was in a game all.
	I did say hi to him.
	Did you not see how hectic it was before in like getting everything set up?
	The moment I walked around, sorry that I did not engage you in a five-minute bullshit fucking conversation.
	I didn't ask for that.
	I don't want to talk to you for fucking that.
	I walked in.
	I said, hey.
	To who?
	I was sitting over here.
	What are you talking about?
	I walked in.
	I go, hey, like, I was so.
	Who did you say hi to?
	I was over here.
	I'm not even visible.
	I went to the kitchen island.
	I don't get to it, guys.
	Okay.
	I said, hi.
	I was very excited to come here.
	I still am very excited to come here.
	And I am extremely thankful, really, genuinely.
	I like what you do.
	I really do.
	I think you're really, I think you're, I think you're controversial.
	You get people's blood boiling.
	And I think, and I'm addicted to a lot of your content.
	I think you're extremely content.
	And I think you're obnoxious.
	Thank you for the endorsement, though.
	I'll put that on my resume.
	Thank you.
	That's wonderful.
	Okay, so, my God, bro.
	They're fucking.
	Imagine being married to this woman, the nagging.
	I'm not even dating this woman.
	I'm not your boyfriend.
	You're not going to come on my podcast and nag me about, oh, you were not acting in a way that I wanted you to act, and you didn't greet me in the precise way that I would have liked to have been greeted.
	I didn't even say any of that.
	I'm sure I would imagine you drive your boyfriends crazy.
	Do you, like, you're nagging me?
	I'm not even your dude.
	Like, imagine the dude that you date.
	Holy fuck, bro.
	Brian, Brian.
	Listen, you're such a control freak.
	Why couldn't you just let her get a sandwich, Brian?
	Why couldn't you just let her get a sandwich?
	Oh, that was her last day in the story.
	That was her.
	No, she went and got a sandwich.
	She came up with a sandwich.
	You ate!
	That was rude.
	Oh, so I don't want to pick on anybody, but you did say, I've never even heard of this podcast.
	And if I don't like it, I'll leave.
	That was your words.
	I did hear that.
	And you guys asked me the questions like, I work here.
	I was like, I don't fucking work here.
	I know I'm 80, but I don't work here.
	It's all right.
	Just if we're going to all talk about this, which I'm surprised we're talking about.
	But I respect you enough to not do that now that I know you.
	Do what?
	Leave.
	Okay, good.
	She donated $200.
	This is the problem with modern women.
	They lack humility, emotional control, and proper manners in a public setting.
	But they're hot.
	It basically turned into a whataboutism.
	Like, I was like, yo, you're standing back there, and you're, I will rejoin the table when I have an opportunity to speak.
	That was my criticism.
	Then you felt the need to, like, okay, let's address this alleged or imagined or supposed grievance before the show.
	I didn't bring you.
	I didn't bring.
	I didn't bring you to it.
	Well, I think it's an imagined grievance, but it's true that I did not.
	It's not imagined because I spoke to multiple girls on the show and they all said the same thing.
	Multiple girls.
	The last time.
	What do you mean?
	Like from this show?
	Yes.
	No, not you.
	Okay, which girl objected to me not saying hi to you?
	Because she arrived at 5 p.m.
	She was late.
	There's Mia here.
	There's her.
	Mia and I were outside.
	Okay.
	And all that I stated inside when I entered the studio was, I immediately went to the restroom.
	You immediately went in here if we're going to say he said she said what she did, all that stuff.
	I actually went to the restroom before I could even see if anybody greeted one another.
	And I think you three were actually in here.
	And I was like, okay, I come out of the restroom.
	You say, oh, he hasn't greeted anybody.
	I see, has anything been done?
	I say, that's odd.
	That's all I said.
	Doesn't mean that I was saying, oh, he's a terrible fucking man.
	Any of that shit.
	Definitely.
	Not that you're saying, but I'm just saying, like, I didn't feel about that.
	When you go to a TV show or a podcast or even your friend's house or a house party or anything, you're just kind of assessing the social situation.
	That's all it is.
	And everything can be different.
	And then you also sometimes think yourself, well, maybe this is normal for this.
	Like, it's crazy.
	We're even debating it.
	At the end of the day, I had some chips, talked to those fucking clowns over there.
	They were nice guys.
	And obviously, he's in work mode, so I'm going, hey, let Brian cook.
	I've seen what he does on the show, so I'll get to meet him on the show.
	And I will say, it is a podcast standard, maybe not yours, and maybe not whatever.
	I have three podcasts, and the etiquette on ours is: if I start talking to her before the show, she'll be like, oh, and I went to this movie with this guy, and he's fucking.
	And then I go, oh, well, but and he wants to save a podcast.
	Because when you try to recreate that moment organically, it feels all bullshit.
	I'm like, damn it, we should have had that on the pod.
	But and I'm a talker, so I don't shut up, and I'm not the, I'm not as motivated or as successful as him because I don't get shit done before the podcast.
	Well, you're also missing a key element, which is that you're not a spoiled brat.
	So that's also what do you mean I'm missing a key element to Andrew?
	No.
	No, I didn't.
	I don't want a I don't want primitive conversation because I'm totally agree.
	I think that if you were to have a conversation, if you were to have seen me and said, hey, what are you doing?
	Where'd you come from?
	It would have probably progressed into something.
	I don't want to have a conversation.
	That's what the podcast is.
	That's what the podcast is for.
	Why would I want to have a conversation?
	A hello would do.
	He was just busy.
	I'm saying everyone was just.
	I drove like 15 hours to be here, and I haven't once said anything.
	And like some people got up, and because they weren't getting any attention or I haven't spoken, I haven't spoken at all.
	And I'm like, I haven't once.
	Well, I haven't got enough.
	I've got a significant amount of energy.
	Well, you're hot.
	I think my, I'll just say this: is when I had spoken up, you had looked at me and go, you've done enough talking.
	So I went, okay, so like I said.
	Did I say that?
	I don't think so.
	I don't remember that.
	I don't think I said that.
	Yes, you did.
	Yes, you did.
	I'll take thanks for never happened for 200, Alan.
	But it did.
	But it wasn't.
	Listen, there's a lot of conversation going on.
	I don't think I said that.
	I don't remember that.
	I don't think I said that.
	You were like, okay, the attention will come back to you.
	Like, someone's going to have it.
	So you're thinking about it.
	And then I stayed quiet.
	So that's what I'm saying.
	Is like, whenever I feel like I organically can come into the conversation, I would love to enter back in.
	I just, I don't know where I'm welcome to speak without being told I can't.
	Yo, the gentlemen who are watching.
	The solipsism.
	Yo, you don't need to fucking mock me.
	What's your deal?
	Like, if I'm speaking, you don't need to repeat the words in which I just said in a mocking, condescending way.
	I also say that it's peaceful.
	It's a female entitlement that we've spent 30 minutes arguing about.
	You didn't say hi to me, Brian.
	I agree, Andrew.
	I don't want to talk about that.
	The solipsism is on what I was going to say.
	This is solipsism on display.
	It's all me, me, me.
	I'm the center of the universe.
	So, okay.
	I have a question for you, though, to give you a little bit of attention, and I'll ask all the other girls here at the table.
	You're a feminist.
	Let's see.
	Are you asking me?
	There's a lot of notes.
	I don't know who you're looking at.
	You're asking.
	Yes, I'm talking to you.
	You consider yourself a feminist.
	Do you consider yourself liberal in your politics?
	Not at all.
	Definitely more conservative-leaning, for sure.
	Okay.
	I think, technically, be libertarian.
	Would you prefer the world without men?
	Never.
	Do you think that you can be racist against white people?
	Yes.
	Do you think you can be sexist against men?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Anybody else?
	I want to go around the table on that, actually.
	Can you be racist towards white people?
	Can you be sexist against men?
	Starting with, I guess, you, Jeff.
	Yeah, you know my views on all that.
	I just assume you'd be right.
	You're prototypical, you know.
	Well, I mean, I've.
	Oh, I guess I'm prototypical.
	Go ahead.
	If I can.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Yes, I can be both.
	Sexist towards men.
	Go ahead.
	What was the question?
	Do you think things go both ways?
	Do you think men can be treated sexistly?
	Do you think you can be racist to white people?
	Do you find yourself can you be racist towards white people?
	Can you be sexist towards men?
	Can you scoot into the table a little bit so you can get like you can, huh?
	I'm going to go.
	Honestly.
	Why are you going to go?
	I just don't.
	I just feel like disrespected by the other guy.
	Which other guy?
	Andrew.
	Before you leave, how did he disrespect you?
	Because he called me, he called me a name.
	I don't know if he's a kid.
	What did he?
	I think Alice.
	What did you call him?
	Andrew, do you want to apologize?
	Andrew, do you want to apologize?
	God, I don't think.
	If you're uncomfortable, then absolutely under no circumstances.
	I stand by exactly what I said.
	Do me a favor.
	Just get up, just leave.
	You haven't contributed anything, so just leave.
	The girl in pink has hips.
	I'm taking her out of the description.
	Common side effects of genital hippies.
	Effecting hip-to-waist ratio metabolism.
	This is a contagious person.
	She was, I mean, she wanted.
	She's been wanting to leave for a while.
	She's a little bit who cares.
	She's a little more sensitive.
	She's texting.
	That's going to be a good question.
	Look, that's fair.
	Obviously, we were teasing back and forth.
	She was teasing her.
	She clearly wanted to.
	It's good.
	It's good.
	No, she already wanted to leave.
	I tried to wrangle her back.
	And you did, effectively.
	Yes, I did wrangle her back.
	I tried.
	It's funny because she was like, oh, I don't feel like I'm part of the conversation.
	I direct all of the attention of the conversation onto her.
	And then she.
	Oh, I don't know if I want to talk.
	There's a weird thing happening with that.
	Bro, this panel tonight is honestly one of the worst we've had to you guys.
	I'm so sorry.
	Hey, sorry.
	Nick, let's pull out.
	Let's fucking throw Kiki.
	Jeff, would you be down to move that chair and let's have Kiki join the panel?
	Because truthfully, Keith Kiki will be more, will contribute more to this conversation than will that woman in the pink.
	She was crap.
	Welcome, Kiki.
	You're going to contribute far more to this conversation than that woman.
	Thank you, Jeff.
	Stop.
	She was a sweet girl.
	I knew you didn't.
	No, she.
	I just knew.
	I'm not saying that she's a sweetie.
	I knew you would just take the opposite of whatever happens here.
	She's sweet.
	I just, there was also just like no conversation.
	It was just like, I don't know.
	Maybe she didn't expect to be asked certain things.
	I don't know what she said.
	Kiki, now we have somebody crying out.
	What the fuck is going on tonight?
	I think she's.
	Yeah, she's the her, she's crying over something.
	I don't know what is happening.
	Okay, so what is happening tonight?
	Jesus Christ.
	Why do you think that is?
	I blame me.
	If she's crying, I don't blame you.
	I'll just go.
	I'm just, I'll just say, everyone is leaving.
	That's very crazy.
	She's been making so much commentary about her being 19.
	nobody else has made that comment no and ever and then she initially said is that what she's upset Sometimes I don't know, but I don't mean it's like, I think it's so ironic that she's been saying, oh, she's 19 and asking, like, oh, is there like a bad thing?
	But I just don't know.
	I just don't understand why people came on this podcast expecting to not have a conversation.
	It's like no one's going to agree with your conversation.
	I want to say this.
	Every single girl.
	We need to put a microphone out there.
	Honestly.
	No.
	Every single girl.
	She's like Jersey shorts.
	She's blindly blind out there.
	So I appreciate you guys for having.
	I don't even think you guys have thick skin, but this is like, truthfully, this is, we've had weights.
	It's literally just a conversation.
	It's a conversation.
	It hasn't even been that heavy.
	But like, every single girl that's on this panel requested to be on the show.
	Correct.
	So it's like, it's one thing if you didn't know what you're getting into, but like every single girl reached out to us first to be on the show, especially that girl.
	And she was an hour late.
	Oh, yeah.
	And we delayed.
	Sorry, guys, that's why we started late.
	She was, she arrived at like 5 p.m.
	We tell the girls to be there at 4 p.m.
	All these other women were very kind.
	They were very punctual.
	Actually, I'm also not offended that you didn't say hi to me.
	Like, I just, no, like, I felt bad.
	Like, I'm not going to lie.
	Yes, she did say that.
	Like, oh, like, he didn't say hi to us.
	And I did agree.
	I was like, okay, yeah, we all have working all the time.
	And I was being friendly.
	And like, I was being friendly equally as you because we're still going to have the conversation.
	I absolutely not agree with any of my programs.
	Like, I don't expect to come here and be like besties with you.
	Like, right away.
	Like, no, and it's like we're just going to have a light conversation.
	If I get to introduce myself, are you going to?
	Oh, just using the bathroom?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Was she okay?
	What's going on?
	You're a horrible person.
	Why is she a horrible person?
	Horrible person.
	No, I don't think you're a horrible person.
	I mean, is that just hyperbole?
	I think she's about to be.
	Was I hyperbolic?
	I think that, you know, like I said, you think you antagonized her and specifically?
	Yeah.
	She hasn't even been involved in the conversation for she was involved in the conversation for the first half and you were seeing how these things work.
	I'm 100%.
	So she had a delayed, a one-hour later that.
	I mean, I'll let her speak to her.
	I'll let her speak exactly.
	Exactly.
	I just wanted a break.
	Can you sit?
	Can you sit, please?
	Can you sit?
	I just need a little break.
	I've never been in a situation like this before, and I will defend myself when I get back.
	But I would prefer if you didn't talk about me while I can't defend myself.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	But wait, wait, wait, wait.
	But what situation?
	Like, we weren't.
	None of the conversation was even directed at you.
	Yeah, I've just never, I've never been on a podcast before, so I've never experienced looking at a screen that insults me.
	No, I don't even know.
	The messages.
	We don't know.
	It would pop up.
	The messages would pop up.
	The girl in black.
	I'm also.
	I mean, you have to say that.
	We told you before the show.
	We told you before the show.
	I'm not.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Just let me say this.
	So maybe this might be encouraging.
	We told you before the show, the internet is anonymous, right?
	It is.
	Like people are toxic on the internet.
	The chat can be toxic in any community, whether it's a girl who, listen, granted we have a controversial show, but you could go to like someone, a girl who's like streaming video games and the chat's going to be fucking toxic.
	Like they're talking, it's the internet.
	It's anonymous.
	People are going to be toxic.
	Don't take it seriously.
	Like this is kind of almost the reaction some of these people want is to get a rise out of this.
	I didn't want to come back and then you told me to come sit down because I didn't want to know that.
	Well, I don't know what they say, but I'd be happy to.
	Hey, if you want to take a break, take a break.
	Yeah, I just wanted a fucking break.
	So just don't talk about me and then we can talk about it later.
	That's fine.
	I know it's not 100% logical because I know what you said is true.
	it's just an emotional reaction i mean i almost feel like it might be no but i think you're strong like you're a strong individual I think it might even be better, like the stronger move, for us to just continue on with the conversation and work through it.
	I mean, like, I definitely understand the internet is very toxic, but I'm not going to cry in front of incels.
	I'm not asking you, whoa, whoa, okay.
	No, if she wants a break, she can have a break.
	That's fine.
	No, it's fine if she wants to have a break, but it's rude to you're only inviting, if you're going to call them incels, it's only inviting more people further animosity towards you.
	But at the beginning of the podcast, I was here, as I have been many times listening to the rules and listening to how it goes.
	And I remember each one of the guests was prepped by being told, hey, the chat's going to be mean.
	Correct.
	That's the way that they operate.
	So, I mean, you kind of knew what you were getting into.
	That wasn't the internet, 100%.
	She's also 19 years old.
	She also requested to be on the podcast.
	You keep saying that.
	I agree.
	And I will always keep saying it.
	She will always say that.
	No, she's not.
	She's an adult on a podcast.
	You're dismissing her like she's five-year-old.
	I'm not.
	But just because she's 19.
	Regardless of her age.
	Who were you?
	What were you?
	Regardless of her age, she was prefaced just as each and every single one of us was.
	That do not look at the chat.
	If you willingly look at the chat, and there is going to be a lot of people who are not going to be able to antagonize it.
	Even if she did do so willingly, which she obviously did, that is fine.
	As did I, as did all of us, because we have laughed and giggled at it.
	Just remember, it is a lie or it is just jackasses on the fucking internet who are just trying to put you down.
	Okay, take it to yourself.
	Understand what you have to do.
	Just to compliment you, then hold it.
	They're complimenting titties and everything else.
	It's fine.
	It's a compliment.
	Take it if you'd like.
	But at the end of the day, she was prefaced.
	That's all it actually was.
	And it's also just a little bit of a title.
	There's one thing to preface.
	There's one thing to experience.
	If I was 19 years old on this podcast, I would kill myself.
	Or, excuse me.
	Okay, well, that's crazy.
	Oh, my God.
	I can't say that.
	I can't say that word.
	I'm sorry.
	Let's just exaggerate.
	I would not exaggerating.
	I would be so hyper-sensitive.
	Over opinions on the internet that you 1,000%.
	And that's how a lot of people are.
	To answer your question, Jeff.
	This has been one of the women, women, women.
	Worst.
	That's not even what he was saying.
	I would say this has probably been one of the more complicated shows we've had.
	I mean, typically, most people, like, I would, like, obviously we get into debates and disagreements on the show, but most of the time, even despite getting into debates and disagreements, the show runs otherwise fairly smoothly.
	For example, Pink Girl here, like most girls, they get up if they need to go to the bathroom, they go to the bathroom, they come back, they continue on with the conversation.
	There's not this whole like, I asked to be on the show, but I'm not getting enough attention, so I think I want to leave.
	And then, oh, no, come back.
	Oh, I don't want to talk about anything as well.
	Okay, lady.
	But also, I need to give her attention now because this is a wonderful woman here because she's not had an opportunity to really say much, but she's being courteous and listening to not just me, but to everybody here and not making a fit when she's not getting enough words in.
	So that's a really good attitude, doesn't she?
	Really good attitude.
	Docile and submissive.
	Very sweet.
	What?
	No, not submissive and sweet.
	Just a good attitude.
	Right.
	A good attitude.
	I feel like you'd think we could only like things if it's bad.
	No.
	Even when we gave her a compliment, you saw it.
	I didn't think any of that was bad.
	You saw some sort of sorry.
	You think that's a bad meaning?
	I think you've got some very negative undertones.
	Wrong.
	Like the fact that we compliment her on listening and saying we want to talk to her, you go, oh, yeah, you guys just like her because she's being docile and submissive.
	That's a good attitude.
	She's wrong and wrong.
	No, she's solipsistic.
	That's it.
	She's solipsistic.
	She learned this word two days ago.
	He heard the word solipsism two days ago.
	You constantly feel the need.
	Tell me, tell me.
	Please, do you know what solipsism means?
	Tell us what solipsism means.
	Hell fucking no, I don't know what that is, so I'm asking you.
	Yeah, you don't know, but you say he just heard it two days ago.
	You don't even know what you're talking about.
	Exactly.
	So where did you learn it?
	Okay, or you learned it six years ago.
	But if you don't know what it means, then why are you even debating?
	I want to do an analysis here.
	We keep like breaking down into this like meta of like, I say something and then we must analyze what was said and it totally derails the conversation.
	I'm going to ask the entire panel.
	I'm not going to call anybody out specifically.
	Can we not get into like a meta conversation about like the underlying da da da?
	Let's just like have a flow conversation, please.
	So, DJ.
	Alert, go.
	No, this is that's like literally exactly what I'm talking about.
	I'm going.
	No, but like if somebody says something, you don't need to like add a little quip.
	Oh, let me add a little quip.
	I won't talk.
	I won't talk.
	That's right, Daddy.
	I'm talking.
	I'm just being more rude.
	I'm having manners and being respectful.
	Exactly.
	I won't talk.
	I won't talk.
	No, but it's just like every little combination of the business.
	You can be good fit.
	Yeah, you can be good.
	I want to talk.
	I want to talk about it.
	No, but even the way you're saying that is like this sort of condescending.
	Like, Brady, just be like, oh, my bad.
	Here.
	Oh, my God.
	You're constantly interrupting.
	Tell me.
	I'm trying to do it right.
	Teach me.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm a dumb woman.
	That's what he means by it.
	You don't need these constant questions.
	Is this how you talk to people in reality?
	Do you say you just learned that word two days ago?
	Are you just kind of a brat the whole time?
	You're right.
	You're right.
	You can engage in a good faith combo.
	I'm so sorry.
	Okay.
	I'll go.
	Like, what a normal person might do is like, oh, shoot, my bad.
	Okay, no worries.
	Oh, shoot, my bad.
	I'm so sorry.
	My work.
	Sorry, worries.
	I mean, she's not even being good faith now, so okay.
	Totally.
	I completely don't believe her at all.
	It's okay.
	So for you, DJ Ashley, registered nurse, professional DJ, professional model, entrepreneur.
	You said in your pre-show notes to us that you provided, you were forced to become a nurse in my ex-boyfriend request.
	At the end of my semester of finishing, I got cheated on with a coworker that I wasn't supposed to worry about.
	Even after finding evidence of him cheating, like restaurant receipts, secret notes inside his car.
	Is there any reason you're covering your mouth like that?
	Is it like, are you mocking me because you're like, oh, he told me not to.
	No, no, no, no.
	Sorry.
	It's like a probably like a nervous.
	Chick's so bad, Faith.
	I'm so sorry.
	I'm so bad.
	Can you please at least let me finish this part with her?
	Psycho.
	I'm sorry.
	My gosh.
	Psycho guy who even got violent with his family member and me choking me after he jam.
	Damn, what the fuck?
	Threatened me to jump off a moving car on the freeway, wouldn't admit he cheated and had to blame it on one of his family members.
	Doesn't sound like the best relation.
	He forced you to become a nurse, though.
	Doesn't that take like years to become an RN, right?
	Yes, like four years.
	Like he forced you?
	Like, you fucker study that biology, son?
	Yeah, he told me if I wasn't going to do anything, then he was going to leave me.
	So he wanted me to become a nurse, just like he did.
	And so I did the whole process of becoming a nurse.
	And then my last semester, he ended up cheating on me with a coworker that I wasn't supposed to worry about.
	Yeah, it was pretty messy.
	And then on my last semester in clinical, I had to go to the hospital that they both worked at and follow them around and stuff like that.
	So it was pretty messy.
	Do you enjoy nursing now?
	I do.
	It gives, I feel like my due diligence, I get, well, paid off, you know, yeah.
	That's sweet.
	Okay.
	Velve, I have some pre-show notes here for you.
	Actually, wait, before we get into that, let me just check if we have any chats that we need to read.
	No, I think we're actually fully.
	Nah, we'll do it later.
	I feel like I missed a chat here, but no, I think we're good.
	Did you quickly want to.
	It sounded like you wanted to address something.
	Did you want to, you said when I come back, when I've had a chance to cool down, I'd like to talk about something?
	Does she want to talk more?
	I'm good to talk, but I thought I got the sense that we kind of covered.
	Do you want to go more in depth?
	No, if you want to speak, that's meant to quietly excuse myself for a second and then come back when I was okay, which probably would have been like five minutes.
	And then, I mean, you could probably see it in my face a little bit, but I really wasn't going to make it a thing.
	And I don't know what was said about me while I was gone.
	And then it turned into like some kind of argument, and then it turned into like trying to delve into this whole thing.
	I really just wanted to have a second to myself, collect myself, and then come back.
	Okay.
	So I didn't really like that.
	Like it got dug into like that without me here.
	You know?
	But can I ask what made you cry?
	Like why were you like upset?
	I'm sorry, dude.
	Come on.
	I'll fix it.
	I'll fix it.
	Like what made you upset?
	Like why did you feel the need to walk off?
	I wasn't, I was just taking a little break.
	I just didn't, I don't know.
	Like it just like, I don't.
	It was just overwhelming.
	Really?
	Yeah, it was overwhelming.
	That's a good word for it.
	And I said mean things in the moment that I did not mean.
	Yeah.
	Which is why I wanted to take a break so I wouldn't say those kind of things.
	That's fair.
	So, yeah.
	I just want to apologize for all the some of the comments were upset.
	Upset.
	But like, I don't, like, I, yeah, I just didn't want to give them the satisfaction, and then I gave them exactly what they wanted.
	And it's not everyone, it's like two people, you know?
	But yeah, I'm kind of sad that I didn't get the opportunity to just handle it quietly by myself.
	That's fine.
	Okay.
	I apologize for the whole thing.
	It's okay.
	Welcome.
	Welcome back if it's fine that you needed to take a breather.
	Welcome back to the panel.
	Okay.
	It's been an interesting, it's been an eventful night, let's say.
	Okay, so there was something on your profile.
	Were you arrested for something?
	Like you said something about a mug shot or no, there's something about, I forgot in your pre-show notes, you mentioned a mug shot, so I was confused about that.
	Me?
	Yeah.
	Twice.
	Arrested.
	For what?
	Punching cops in the face.
	Both times?
	Yep.
	Context?
	Punching cops in the face.
	Yeah.
	That's not a charge.
	Oh, it is.
	It is, and it carries it.
	So, well, how deep do you want me, moderator?
	How deep do you want me to go into it?
	I'm totally, I'm up in a book.
	I can literally talk about anything I don't like.
	Were you charged?
	Were you prosecuted?
	Prosecuted?
	No.
	And most of the time, offenses against cops aren't.
	They're usually dropped immediately because they're actually extremely common.
	And judges don't give a fuck, especially if you're white and a woman.
	I'm actually, Andrew, I don't know if you want to weigh on this.
	I'm actually starting to believe that she's a troll.
	I agree.
	Like, I'm actually.
	Yeah, so Andrew.
	I mean, at this point, I think you got to go with your gut, bro.
	No, Andrew.
	I think you got to go with your gut.
	I mean, at some point, we got to get some sanity.
	She's trolling.
	Can we all just make a nice agreement right now that going forward, we're all going to be as good faith as we can in this conversation?
	We already had this massive meta conversation about the conversation.
	Then we had a conversation about that conversation.
	Can we just try to all be adults and try to kind of move forward here without being trolled?
	I love it.
	I do try to point out.
	So, who, like, who drove here from Los Angeles?
	Where did you come from?
	El Paso, Texas.
	You flew here, right?
	I drove.
	So, if you're here, if you're here to troll, and we mentioned this before the show.
	Whatever.
	She's serious right now.
	No, no, no.
	Andrew.
	Stop.
	Stop.
	If you're here to troll, like if you don't, if you object to the whatever podcast, you don't like it, that's totally fine.
	But bear in mind, this isn't a one-on-one interview.
	If you're like coming on to troll, whatever.
	But people spent time and money to be here.
	Like, if you're fucking with me, fine.
	I'm from Boston.
	I would never troll for this.
	That's kind of irrelevant, but the way you're conducting yourself is now leading me to believe.
	I thought initially you're just bad faith, but now I actually think you're trolling.
	No.
	If you don't fuck, if you don't like the whatever podcast, I'm not going to be able to do that whatever podcast.
	As to be respectful to the other guests who have spent time and money to be here, she flew here.
	She spent money to be here.
	I can guarantee I spent more.
	Please, I'm at like.
	She drove.
	I can guarantee I spent more.
	You drove from.
	It's not a competition.
	No, I know.
	You said you spent a lot of money.
	I said, I'm spent a lot of more.
	I would never come on a podcast at troll spending thousands of dollars.
	I like, are you manic?
	Never.
	No.
	No, no, no.
	But you asked me about my arrest story.
	Do you want to hear about it or not?
	I'll tell you something.
	So you actually punched two police officers in the face.
	The first time was one.
	The second time was multiple.
	But the second one was kicked in the head.
	And then it was three battered.
	But the first one was absolutely in the face.
	How'd you get your foot to their head?
	But also, why?
	Well, were you charged with anything for this?
	Were you charged?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So I got really lucky.
	So I've never, I have no record.
	So the first time was I was charged with citation, which I'm extremely lucky for.
	Punched a cop in the face.
	Which is a felony.
	And I got charged with citation.
	This story sounds not plausible.
	And I totally, I know, and I tell all the time at bars, it's a hoop.
	But no, no, no.
	It was a charge that says citation.
	The second one is still pending, but it's a misdemeanor.
	But why?
	I watched up to the cop and punched him in the middle.
	No, no, no, no.
	I would never, nothing ever unpopular.
	Tell us about the whole breaking into your ex's apartment.
	Yeah.
	So he was, he cheated on me endlessly and at one point just got so sick of it.
	And we were in the middle of speaking.
	I sensed he was cheating.
	I arrived to his apartment.
	I grabbed one of his patio chairs.
	I slammed it against his living room window.
	I went in, stole his social security card and passport and left.
	Sensed he was cheating?
	Yeah.
	Why did you, why did you steal the time?
	Well, I was like, what would really be like impactful?
	Did he cheat?
	No evidence of him cheating?
	Oh, there was evidence.
	Was it real?
	It was.
	What was it?
	Learning after.
	I knew a lot of people.
	What's so funny, ladies?
	Who's laughing?
	Someone wrote, this is why we need prisons.
	Not for me.
	Not for Little Old Me.
	TikTok.
	Let me just say this.
	If you have the money, lawyers are worth every single penny.
	They really are.
	So you have good lawyers, is why you got out of it.
	I have very good lawyers.
	Okay.
	Well, speaking of which, for your future, I suggest that you retain a lawyer named James Sexton because I have a feeling in your future relationships, you may need him.
	I don't know what that means.
	He's a family attorney in New York City.
	You said that you used to participate in sex work as a struggling actress.
	You want to be the example of why women should not engage in sex work.
	So what do you mean by sex work?
	Are you talking about escorting?
	What are you talking about?
	Oh, man.
	So this is all before OnlyFans.
	OnlyFans didn't really become a thing until only a few years ago.
	Back then, it sounds like forever ago, but it really is in technology.
	It was around 2017 and 2018.
	Everybody, every woman, whether corporate or she's working in a restaurant, had a sugar daddy.
	Everybody did.
	It was the norm.
	What?
	Yes.
	It was the norm.
	You would meet women, and here's what's scary about this.
	You would meet women that would be working in nine to five corporate jobs.
	They'd be working in HR.
	They'd be in relationships for two plus years.
	I would go out to dinner with them.
	We'd be talking, and she goes, Oh no, I've had a guy who's been paying my rent for the last few years, and you'd be in disbelief.
	Why would you have that?
	But I guess, in the contrary, is why wouldn't you have that?
	So, at that time, as an actress struggling, and I had really, I had really horrible.
	Do you ever ask a question and then regret asking it?
	Just let's let her finish.
	Let's let her finish.
	But, yes, but yes, but sorry, my bad.
	That was me.
	No, no, no, no.
	It's okay.
	I made strides against you.
	So, what was the original question?
	Well, I was like, What kind of sex work?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So, prostitution?
	Yeah.
	So, seekingarrangements.com.
	I don't know if that's still around right now.
	It is.
	It's still around?
	I thought it was banned.
	No.
	So, seeking arrangements was a big thing.
	And so, every girl that I knew, whether she was like acting or modeling alongside with me, working in restaurants, which you do as a struggling actress, you are a glorified bartender.
	I was 19.
	I was 19, 20.
	And everyone had, everybody said, go on seeking arrangements.
	You want your rent paid?
	You go on seeking arrangements.
	And everybody always eludes this idea.
	They go, Girl, you don't have to do anything.
	Just go on dates and you get money out of it.
	And I go, Oh, so I get a steak, I get a filet mignon, $500, and I don't have to like fuck the guy.
	Well, that's the perception that they give you.
	But the reality is that that's not the truth.
	And maybe it starts out that way.
	But the reality is, if you actually have a sugar daddy, you have to fuck him.
	Did you?
	So you had sex with your sugar daddy?
	Yeah, I did.
	I did.
	Did you have more than one sugar daddy?
	I think over the course of the time that I had, I had multiple men that were like, you know, they were never long-term, the men that I would be speaking to.
	Did you add something?
	Yeah, so being as somebody that actually works in the sex industry, I'm an adult performer.
	I've been doing it since I was 18.
	I've been doing only dance.
	If I had a sugar daddy, I don't think that's sex work, quite honestly.
	Like you're.
	But it is.
	You're having sex and you're getting paid willingly.
	That's sex work.
	That's the arrangement.
	But that doesn't mean that you are selling yourself openly and freely.
	I don't know.
	I'm just assuming.
	But I don't think qualifying it and quantifying it as this is exactly sex work doesn't really change.
	How is that?
	That's the very definition.
	You're getting paid to have sex with you.
	What I'm saying is it's an arrangement.
	How is that not what you're describing it as is an arrangement between you and someone with whom you met online, such as a dating app, and you're stating that I hung out with them.
	I presume that I was just going to get everything taken care of.
	In addition to that, I was paid for having sex.
	Yes, that's technically a job.
	That's called sex work.
	What I'm stating.
	Yeah, I don't see a way around that.
	Okay.
	Okay, then fine.
	Thank you, Andrew, finally.
	Fucking Christ.
	But like, you're stating it as though it was like your full occupation.
	Like, that's where I'm just so confused.
	Like, was it never my full occupation?
	You know what?
	Well, no, no, no.
	I'll let you guys interrupt.
	As somebody that actually performs sex work and like, that's what I'm saying.
	Like, actually perform.
	Like, somebody who's actively in it.
	So you removed yourself from it.
	You're in the middle of it.
	I have, I have.
	So that has not reduced the time that I was in it.
	She's in it now.
	I have, so what I'm saying is, as someone who's currently and actively in sex work, what I'm asking is, how do you quantify that so differently from what I separately do or just generally?
	Because right now you're just generalizing.
	I did sex work because I got paid to have sex with some random guy.
	Okay.
	So what more of it?
	Like you're trying to say, oh, like I want to help other people understand sex work.
	There's multiple meanings to it.
	I completely agree.
	I don't think sex work is fit for anybody.
	But I just find it really eluding and weird that you're just stating, oh, it's just a bad thing.
	And I did this, like, to the fucking point about it.
	That's exactly the fucking point about it.
	Is that it's sex work and it's bad and it's horrible and it's soul-crushing for women.
	And anything that you hear is, I'm sorry, it's just not true.
	I want to ask every woman that is engaged in active sex work, do they know their father?
	And are they close with their father?
	And do they have a good relationship with their father?
	No, no, no.
	I want to ask this because you know what?
	I was a woman.
	I, not to cut you off, sorry.
	I do have an active relationship with my father.
	My father.
	Is it a good one?
	Yeah, actually.
	I grew up really well with my father.
	I actually, unfortunately, was introduced to that style of content prior as a young child because of certain circumstances as a child.
	But regardless, my father actually really supports me.
	Ironically, my mother did not support me for the longest time.
	I'm a Mexican and I'm a white.
	I'm half and half.
	My mom is very Mexican Catholic, and for that reason, she doesn't support it.
	But regardless, my father has always supported me.
	He supported me from the moment I started working with Penthouse when I first did my very first magazine with them, the moment that I did hustler with a shoot with Hustler.
	He was very excited.
	Not because he was interested in it, not because he was sexualizing.
	Okay, that's really weird, though.
	That's really weird that your father is excited that you were in Hustler.
	That's a very weird thing to be excited for.
	I'm not antagonizing.
	But what asks me is it's a very weird thing.
	My daughter's in hustler for her.
	We're talking to certain conversations, which is fine.
	But as a younger girl, what I was always expressed to growing up from my father's side, because I have separated parents, was naturally that the natural human body, woman and man, is very beautiful.
	And that is something that I still stand with.
	Wait, why is it?
	Why would you say naturally to her parents being separated?
	Because I'm Mexican and white, or what are you presuming?
	Well, definitely not Mexican and white, but that's fine.
	That went that way.
	No, no, no, because you're in sex work.
	So usually it's probably not a two-part action that you grew up with.
	I actually know that there's a lot of different actresses in the sex community who have a mom and dad that is their biological mom and dad.
	You know, they're married together.
	I've read and I've seen and I've witnessed and I know many, many people.
	I'm just like.
	You have no statistics of it.
	You're just using background knowledge and assumption.
	Yeah, I am.
	Yes, my parents are separated.
	My parents are separated because they literally just could not fucking handle each other.
	That's all it really was.
	They were never even in a marriage relationship.
	Regardless, if that's your presumption of that, every single sex worker comes from a separated family, then so fucking be it.
	But it doesn't seem to say that, regardless, that you have any reason to bicker at and fight at that, oh, she has a terrible relationship with her father.
	I'm clearly a fucking person out here saying, no, I have a great relationship with my father with my father.
	Yeah, your dad loved you in Hustler.
	What the fuck is your problem?
	Because clearly what I'm stating, I'm the back essence of why he supported me, why that was being supported by my father and not my mother.
	My father taught me from a very fucking young age that, hey, all women bodies are beautiful.
	Why?
	Because my grandmother herself also always taught him that.
	She was a single mother.
	It came down from the realms of she was always teaching him one knowledge and he taught it himself to me.
	At the end of the day, obviously, no parent wants their child in sex work.
	No parent.
	Well, it sounds like your father did.
	He was just supporting her because she's a grown-up and she saw she was in a thing and said, that's what she's doing.
	She's a grown-up.
	And I support it.
	She said it wasn't sexual.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He wasn't interested in it.
	He was just encouraging her because it's his daughter.
	No, that's possible.
	Yeah, but dude, that's weird.
	Would you encourage your daughter to do that?
	No, but if I didn't have any say in it, I'd kind of like to keep a relationship with them as tumultuous as it might be.
	Exactly.
	Would you be proud of your daughter being a hustler?
	Wouldn't it be better to let him feel the sting of it and kind of separate yourself?
	I'm not dad.
	I'd like to think of the dad that I would be where I would go, all right, because like my sisters date guys I don't like, and that's been my whole life.
	And my rule on it, and you can disagree because I'm not a dad, so I can't speak to this too well, but I always go, that's who she's with.
	I'm just gonna bear with this.
	And I speak my opinion.
	There's a distinction there, right?
	So if you say, well, I can't control who, you know, my daughter goes out with and dates and things like that versus my daughter's going on to hustler.
	Don't you think there's a huge difference?
	He didn't hang the poster in his living room.
	No, he just kept a relationship with her.
	I think she was defending the relationship with her dad because she said, well, naturally, you must have a terrible relationship with your dad to do these sort of things.
	No, I said naturally they're separated and they are.
	But you started it by saying, I'd like to ask every girl that does sex work.
	Well, yeah, do you know your dad?
	And you said it in a very strange way.
	She was saying, yeah, I know my dad.
	And then you were.
	And the stats bear out that many sex workers.
	I don't know.
	In fact, the majority of them do come from broken households.
	And if you're a single mom, you're far more likely to be a sex worker, in fact.
	You are.
	So these are things which are brought up, I don't think, out of hand.
	I don't think so.
	They're not.
	No, like all of them.
	She's explaining it.
	Anyhow, now they're on our side, Andrew.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, all I'm stating is obviously, yes, my father did support me in the sense, just as he stated, because he wanted a relationship with me.
	The reason I actually am so grateful and beyond blessed that I even have a support from my father is because I immediately left the house with my mom.
	I was living out there and she was already upset with me over certain other circumstances for that reason.
	I left and I decided this is the way and the means that I'm going to arrive to adulthood.
	I'm going to partake in this.
	Not something that I even agreed with.
	I grew up in a full Catholic household with my mother.
	Nonetheless, I never had a relationship with my father as a child at one point.
	Well, there was no bando.
	Never said that.
	That's literally what I was saying.
	But the reason I did that.
	Don't you think it's a bit rude to laugh at somebody who just said I did not have a relationship with my father during high school is because my father was diagnosed with a lot of people.
	It's not something you laugh at.
	He was not that he was diagnosed with a brain tumor.
	I was not able to fucking see him because he was literally in the hospital all fucking day, all fucking time.
	So that's actually one of the reasons I was not able to see my father.
	During your childhood?
	I said, no.
	I said childhood.
	I said high school.
	I correct myself.
	That is childhood.
	It is.
	But regardless, to be laughing and trying to poke at the bear and saying, oh, this is the norm.
	It's not.
	My circumstance was not the norm.
	My father was diagnosed with a fucking brain tumor.
	That's not normal.
	It shouldn't be normalized.
	Oh, God.
	It's hard.
	It's horrible.
	It's also hard to like you like to try to diagnose her like you're doing so it's like not at all Well, in a way, you are.
	Verbally, you are.
	And socially, you are.
	And also, like, to go, well, yeah, statistically, yeah, statistically, lots of people aren't with two-parent homes.
	So you can't just go.
	We found the reason.
	You said bingo when she said that she didn't have pets.
	You can't go.
	Why not?
	Having two parents doesn't magically make you have a great life.
	Statistically, it does.
	But no, it really does.
	In a lot of ways, you couldn't.
	You can't just say it like that.
	Because you have two statistically, it does.
	No, statistically is wrong.
	Because if you have two parents in a household does not mean it's healthy at all.
	It's not likely to be, yes.
	In a lot of ways.
	Exactly.
	Thank you.
	Oh, but now it's a lot of ways.
	Are you subscribed to analyzing the colours?
	Your chances of any of these things drastically decrease.
	Sorry, Andrew.
	I didn't mean to cut you off.
	I don't think you got any of what Andrew said.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	I totally could.
	I'm sorry.
	I was just saying that she is right that if you come from an intact two-parent household, your chances of criminology.
	Chances.
	Your chances of all of these things drastically reduce.
	And this includes your chances of being involved in sexuality.
	Well, then maybe explain it better.
	If you're upset that I'm agreeing with him, maybe instead of condescendingly going, bingo doesn't have a dad and not even looking her in the eye when she's talking about brain tumors and things, you can understand why people have this reaction to the way you're speaking.
	Right.
	It's pretty rude.
	It's pretty tonistic.
	Immature is what it is.
	It is.
	It's not a nice way to talk about people.
	Okay.
	You don't know her.
	No.
	I don't have anything.
	I don't have opinions about sex work either, but I can still respect a personal life.
	Can I ask a question?
	And I'm not asking this as a form of attack or insult, but purely out of curiosity and inquiry.
	And again, I'm not trying to ask this to be insulting or prying or whatever.
	Do you have any cluster B personality disorders?
	Totally, probably.
	Yeah.
	Like BPD, borderline personality disorder?
	Probably, yeah.
	Bingo.
	Bingo.
	What does that mean, probably?
	He's asking.
	No, have you been diagnosed?
	Have you been diagnosed?
	No, not officially, no.
	Not officially.
	No.
	Unofficially?
	How would you diagnose?
	Do you take anything?
	She's diagnosed.
	I can't diagnose her with this single family, causing her to be an OnlyFans.
	Are you bipolar?
	No, I'm not.
	I don't actually.
	No, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I'm not a psychologist.
	Well, that's why we're thinking troll because we're trying to figure out how to do it.
	I agree.
	I'm trying to, I don't know.
	I think I'm just engaging in conversation.
	You guys are trying to diagnose.
	You're really not.
	You're just being rude to her and everyone else.
	I think it's like, regardless of my job or whatever I do, whatever I'm doing now or not, I think it just shows your true personality and true intention is to actually troll.
	Because whether or not I'm saying that I'm doing sex work or I'm a fucking construction worker or something, I just actively told you guys and I confided in you guys and the internet that my father had a brain tumor.
	Instead of looking at me and actually showing me any sort of compassion or remorse for your words that you already had previously stated for whatever reason, you just said, sorry.
	Bingo.
	Bingo.
	Like, that's rude as fuck.
	That's bullshit.
	Like, I'm sorry, but who the fuck thinks like that?
	Other than a fucking troll?
	Well, I don't know.
	Like, I can't see you guys, but some of the points that she made were valid points.
	I'm going to admit it.
	I mean, she made some valid points.
	Thank you.
	I think you can find statistics for those things.
	Yes.
	I agree with the statistics.
	I don't agree with the way she's conducting.
	Talking to her like she's a statistician.
	That's all I was commenting on.
	Because she is a person and she has a role in life.
	I completely agree, and I appreciate that so much.
	Because at the end of the day, yes, statistics does pertain to the number of people and pertain to the percentages of all these things out of a fucking outcome.
	But at the end of the day, this isn't just a statistics game.
	We're not on polls right now.
	We're not a little fucking pie charts.
	You're actually looking at me as a human being.
	You're looking at me as a fucking soul.
	So why don't you continue on and treat me properly with some sort of remorse and respect because I'm sharing the reasoning for either my circumstances or my family life or my reasons for doing a job or anything of that sort.
	I haven't laughed or mimicked at you.
	And I appreciate that.
	You just continue being a cunt.
	That's practically what you are.
	I feel like an apology is in order.
	Not going to get one from me.
	That's fine.
	I think in comedy sometimes people go like, oh, you're a comic.
	You must have things that are like, you must be real fucked up, right?
	You must have a crazy child that'd want to be a stand-up comic.
	And then we go, yeah, because you can confine it with anything, right?
	Yeah.
	And then, like, but like, you could, like, do that with bread truck drivers.
	You could be like, you know, the bread truck drivers come from divorced homes.
	Well, those statistics have weights.
	But to just try to go blanketly bingo, her parents are separated, so she must bingo, bingo, bingo.
	Masturbate for money doesn't make like, I don't think that's a bingo.
	Like, I don't think it's a mistake.
	But it is.
	But it is.
	You're really not citing the way you think you are.
	I think you're really like a psychologist.
	Here's my analysis.
	She is sort of reveling in her own, I suppose, a reverence.
	You're incredibly coarse.
	You're incredibly abrasive.
	Andrew.
	Perhaps intentionally.
	You haven't just been rude to me.
	It seems like you've been rude to some of the other guests.
	Again, it's not clear to me, though, if you're doing it to troll.
	Like, now she's shaking her head.
	No, I'm listening to someone who's a female.
	I thought that was you nodding in agreement.
	L-sex work held at W bipolar chick.
	The world doesn't tell you what to do.
	Okay, maybe the chat is actually starting to winning them over, maybe.
	Wait.
	She's winning me over.
	She's winning me over.
	Andrew, I've been on your side since day one, Andrew.
	Oh, my.
	Thank you.
	Let's keep going.
	I think it's for attention.
	Yo, Dave on Jackson, good to see you.
	You have your tits out.
	What do you mean for attention?
	Oh, my gosh.
	Here.
	A, B, and C. Most of the.
	A, B, and C. Last thing on your notes here.
	Rude blonde is right.
	ABC.
	Yeah, okay.
	In your notes to us, you said you're very traditional.
	You're from Ukraine.
	Yeah.
	You're Ukrainian.
	How long have you been in the U.S.?
	God, I came here when I was like five years old.
	Oh, okay.
	So you're okay, yeah.
	So I grew up in America.
	Okay, my whole entire family.
	You're a citizen.
	I became a citizen when I was 15 years old.
	Okay.
	You say you like men to take care of everything, even if I make more than them, which I typically do.
	I do.
	What do you do for work again?
	Tech sales.
	Tech sales.
	Okay.
	You're traditional.
	I am, yeah.
	Yet, earlier in the conversation, and in your notes, you said you were a radical feminist.
	So traditional, radical feminists don't really go together.
	You're totally right.
	You're totally right.
	I think I probably should have clarified more.
	I think I'm radical feminist in a lot of ways.
	Like I mentioned earlier, I think in terms of like transgenderism, I'm very much a radical feminist, what they would label me as.
	I love second wave feminism.
	I hate the third and fourth wave.
	Fourth wave is debatable that we're in now, but yeah, I don't like it.
	But yeah, I'm treacherous.
	But I'm not sure if you're like, you're that traditional.
	In what way?
	What do you think I'm doing?
	For example, you're, granted, you have been invited on to a sort of a dating debate show to debate, but you are very combative in your demeanor.
	And I, again, I'm going to give you some, I forget the exact term.
	We love the blonde.
	You're going to give me some leeway, right?
	Well, yes, because if I've invited someone specifically to debate, I anticipate that they're going to be engaged in a debate with me.
	So it's not like you did sex work.
	Yeah.
	You consider yourself to be a radical feminist, which in some degree nuanced.
	But so that's where, like, how do you reconcile being a traditional woman with you have a history of sex work?
	Yeah.
	Was it I don't want to put words in your mouth, but was it so you did prostitution?
	Well, that's basically what the dad era was.
	Yeah, the sugar daddy.
	There is no such thing.
	They sell you a lot.
	At least back then.
	I know OnlyFans now you can spread your ass without touching a man and make $400 a week.
	That's what's normal now.
	I'm not claiming that's what you do, and God bless.
	But back then with seeking arrangements, yes.
	So if you're going to be on seeking arrangements, there's no such thing as going on a date with a guy and thinking that you're not going to have to touch the motherfucker, excuse me, for money.
	You're going to have to do something.
	So yeah, so in turn, yeah, like absolutely.
	That is 100%.
	They are paying for sex.
	You think you're going to get a dinner out of it?
	Maybe the first two times.
	But if they want to keep seeing you, you're going to have to fuck them.
	That's the reality.
	That's a really shitty reality.
	And it's very hard.
	Well, have you ever fucked a man for money?
	Nope.
	So then shut the fuck up.
	So, what I'm trying to say is: right now, I'm a woman who's 25 years old.
	I make a lot of money.
	How much do you make?
	Why don't you tell us how much you make?
	This year, if my deal closes, I'll make $250,000 this year.
	If your deal closes?
	How much is it?
	Yes.
	What if your deal doesn't close?
	I'll make probably $210,000.
	Okay.
	So despite the fact that you're like a what, a 1% earner, do you still want a guy to do you want men to take care of everything?
	I think you asked a really good question.
	If you don't mind, if I go back to that, sure.
	You said a question, you go, how do you reconcile your past essentially, and then being a traditional woman?
	I struggle with that every single day.
	You don't have much grace for people that do it now, I'll tell you that.
	Right.
	Literally at all.
	Right, exactly.
	So how are you someone that is a woman that has such a past and then is coming into now?
	Men will look at me and they'll go, like, what was your past?
	And I will tell them, I'm an open book.
	I'm open book names.
	Okay, pretend you're on the first date with Jeff.
	Jeff's like, hi, I want to know your past.
	I wouldn't say on the first date.
	Okay, say, pretend it's the third date and pretend you're on it now and pretend you're not on the podcast.
	It's being live recorded and this is go, go, go.
	So we'll play.
	Do you have a bullet list?
	Can you just like give us the bullet list of all the things you would feel the need to disclose to a future partner of like, by the way, I did like, I was involved in a train.
	I was in a train.
	There was a train.
	I got a train ran on me.
	Is that one of the things you might disclose?
	Choo-choo, motherfucker.
	I never did any choo-chooing.
	I never did any of that.
	But I think that it is like very important that I think I think it is important.
	Yeah, what did you do?
	I'd like to know.
	I don't want to.
	Just while we have this nice dinner here.
	Here, wait, let me get the champagne.
	Hold on.
	Please.
	I want to drink.
	Is there actually champagne?
	I do have champagne.
	No, wait.
	Can we have some?
	A drink with hits.
	Oh, fucking good.
	You're not 21, sorry.
	I'm not going to.
	Oh, I would love some champagne.
	We can just.
	I mean, if somebody wants to do a somebody in the chat, there is a champagne trigger.
	Wait, and that would make us have champagne?
	I can't imagine her.
	Georgie, I don't want someone.
	She'll show her tits or one of those.
	And one of your simps or whatever.
	I mean, they may, they may.
	No, don't fucking say that.
	They won't, they won't.
	They may.
	They won't.
	You're the only one who said that you had a sex pass.
	So probably coming so much for her.
	I don't even get it.
	I'm not.
	I don't know.
	She wasn't even.
	I'm not.
	You pointed directly at her and you were like, someone probably would.
	When I arrived here and she spoke to me, she said, I'm doing this because I want to be famous.
	1,000%.
	She wants to be famous.
	I never get to know that.
	What's the T, Mia?
	What is the T.
	She was an actress.
	She didn't succeed, unfortunately.
	She's being tubing.
	I was a failed actress.
	Correct.
	My biggest movie is on Tubi.
	Okay.
	It's coming.
	That's what people talk.
	I don't even know what it's called.
	But I just think it's really interesting that you're coming at me so much because I'm not.
	I'm not coming at you specifically.
	You really are, though.
	You really are.
	I think maybe you feel that way, but I think I kind of spoke on a lot of people.
	I feel that way.
	Well, let me come after her just a little bit, if you don't mind.
	I was curious because every time you're asked a question, this is the gal who was a prostitute.
	Every time you're asked a question on how you reconcile your traditional values with modernity and how you think about things in modernity, you just kind of restate the question and then run away from the question.
	Okay, so if you're not.
	Can you actually answer the question?
	Yes.
	Can you do you mind reasking and I'll be like completely like at face value with it?
	Yeah, so how do you, how are you able to hold the viewpoints that you have right now for what you consider to be traditionalism as the path going forward and something that you value, even knowing that you were essentially a prostitute and you seem to be against feminism, whereas at the same time, you agree that feminism has led to the culture of modernity that you don't like.
	And without restating it to me, can you actually answer to how you reconcile those things?
	Yeah, 1,000%.
	Whenever I was doing it, I was under the guise that this is what feminism is.
	I was taking back the power.
	I was bringing back body.
	And I think that's what a lot of OnlyFans models would say now.
	They're bringing back their own power.
	I am in charge of my own body.
	I make funds off my body.
	No other man does.
	So when I was in it, I thought I was liberating myself as a woman.
	I thought this is peak feminism.
	I am doing what I'm going to do, and I'm going to get $1,500 for it.
	I was completely under that delusion.
	And what I hate is that we're still, that it's evolved.
	And it is very, it torments me, I think.
	And that will always, I will never be a true high-value woman.
	I will never.
	I will never.
	Hang on, Inga.
	Before you move on too much into the explanation, I want to make sure that you actually are hearing the question, which is asked.
	I understand that you say that I fell into this trap of feminism and now I reject it, but you still don't reject the early feminism, which led to that.
	Oh, my first assumption that I never actually hear you make is why would you still be supportive of those earlier waves, knowing that the result was you ending up being a prostitute?
	1,000%.
	And that's something that I'll never have the answer to.
	And I don't understand.
	I agree.
	You guys can all laugh, but the first wave was to vote, and the second wave was to have jobs.
	The third wave has costs fucking having OnlyFans.
	I'm going to have to, I'm going to have, I don't know what the answer is.
	Hi, Susan.
	Go ahead.
	I think what is.
	Well, wouldn't the answer, if you wanted to be consistent, be to say, listen, I have to actually reject those first two waves, knowing that it led to the kind of conditions which led to me feeling like I was empowered by being a prostitute.
	Okay, but then that would be saying that women shouldn't vote.
	Well, I didn't say that.
	No, I didn't.
	Let's say it was an entailment that that's true.
	That it were to reject the person's.
	Let's just assume.
	Hang on.
	Just wait one second.
	Let's just assume for a second that the entailment of the position of there's no more prostitutes, but women also couldn't vote, would you take that?
	You know what?
	I may.
	I very much may.
	As did my favorite.
	Well, right.
	So then maybe you can just say, I reject earlier forms of feminism because what it's led to in modernity is way worse for the outcomes of people than if it had not occurred to begin with, right?
	But I am curious that maybe something went wrong along the way.
	You know, after you point to what that would be besides the fact that it was women's empowerment?
	And isn't that what led to you feeling empowered by being a sex worker?
	Yeah, the sexual revolution was really, really weird for women in the 60s.
	Yeah, but that was wave, that was wave two, right?
	That was wave two, exactly.
	Yeah, so that was a direct and free sex.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but that was a direct result of wave one, where the pushing of the original architect text of feminism were pushing for that sexual revolution.
	That's what they wanted, was that sexual revolution.
	That was key to why they wanted these values in women, and then they got that sexual revolution.
	And you are basically claiming you were a victim of that sexual revolution by buying into the feminist propaganda.
	So why not just say, I reject feminism categorically?
	Wouldn't that be the most consistent and logical thing you could do?
	Yes.
	I think you're 100% correct.
	I would agree with that, yeah.
	Can you say I reject feminism?
	Are we using a thousand percent scale or a hundred percent scale?
	Because you've been using a lot of different numbers.
	100 and thousand.
	Yeah, I agree.
	100,000 percent.
	100,000 percent, you reject feminism, right?
	I think inevitably, I think you have a point.
	I think it's so easy to kind of look back and say, this was good, this was good, but then this was bad.
	It's a direct, it's a direct result of it.
	And I think you may be on something.
	I'd like to learn more about the other people on the show.
	I would need to.
	Let me get a couple chats and then we'll.
	Oh, did you?
	I think you had something, Athena, right?
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	Also, that, the comment.
	That was my diagram.
	I don't know which way to point for that, but as a podcast host, I think that if you have that kind of dissonance in you where you had this one lifestyle and then you have this lifestyle that you aspire to and they're so vastly different, and you cannot achieve the perfect standard of what you want your lifestyle to be, you're going to lash it out and not feel good about yourself.
	And then you're going to put that on people like her.
	True.
	I agree.
	I definitely can see that.
	Oh, I don't feel, I don't, I don't want to ever.
	I don't look at women like you, and I look at you and I go, oh, she's beneath me.
	I have none of that in me at all.
	What I feel for women, I generally don't.
	When I look at women like you that are engaged in sex work, I feel sorry.
	Why?
	That's so.
	Because you're engaging in sex work.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	You're not acting like you're sorry.
	Like when I said earlier, you should apologize to her and you didn't.
	That's not big.
	You don't feel bad for her.
	You're not sorry.
	I'm not sorry for my opinion.
	Oh, okay.
	Wait, so do you want her to apologize to and I appreciate, but I don't need an apology from somebody like that.
	And regardless, I agree.
	I completely agree.
	I think at the end of the day, if she has such a previous, or yeah, she has such a prevalent past with prostitution or sex work.
	I love how we're like really like being like sex shaming here.
	It's a prostitution.
	It's prostitution.
	You're the ones with strong opinions about this.
	And then it's just kind of like, what are you doing on your OnlyFans?
	Like, what do you call that?
	You sexed men for fucking to pay your rent.
	You know what I mean?
	So it's like, you keep saying prostitutes.
	Why are you assuming what she's doing?
	I could be literally doing just like bikini photos.
	You know you're leaving.
	No nudity.
	And like, I could be.
	You know you're not.
	We know you're not.
	How do you know that she's not there?
	How do you know that?
	What are you doing?
	What are you doing on there?
	I do actually film everything.
	You know.
	Like, it's just like you didn't just do that.
	I understand.
	No, you guys are like, what's the difference between the two?
	Which is totally fine.
	They totally got it.
	Totally fine, totally valid.
	Totally fine and totally valid.
	But you guys snicker every time someone says prostitute.
	She goes, Because what's the difference?
	That's so funny.
	You're so right.
	You had an OnlyFans.
	You're current.
	What are you on?
	I've never done anything.
	Well, God, she's 19.
	And what are you?
	She is 19.
	Yeah, what do you do?
	What do I do?
	That was creepy.
	She has an OnlyFans.
	I've got to ask this.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	Is that true that you have on your neck a tattoo that says, I am God?
	Yes.
	Wait, what?
	What?
	Wait, where?
	You have a tattoo on your neck that says, I am God.
	Wait, wait.
	You can see her neck.
	Wait, where?
	Where?
	On my back?
	On the back of it.
	On the back of the back.
	Wait, how did you find that?
	Oh, my God.
	My Instagram is.
	Well, that gives a lot.
	Yeah.
	I am.
	I don't believe you at all.
	From Kanye World.
	About anything you've said.
	Yeah, can you show us that you have that tattoo on yourself?
	She showed us.
	I did.
	I did.
	I can't even do it.
	Turn the other way.
	Turn this way.
	Where's the camera?
	Turn a little more.
	There we go.
	Yeah, that's good.
	It's probably a little hard to see, but.
	Yeah, Time's for Roman.
	I am God.
	Totally, she thinks she's better than everyone.
	Not at all, actually.
	Narcissist.
	I would love it.
	It doesn't look down on me, but she is God, so she is superior.
	Yeah, period.
	Well, if you want me to have a moment to explain it, it'll make you aware.
	I want it to explain for sure.
	Yeah, so in terms of I am God, it's you are the controller of your own life, and you are the ruler.
	You are the decider.
	And I think taking that power back and understanding, I really do love God.
	I believe in God, but I think God is very big in acknowledging that we are the dictators and deciders of our own future.
	So I am God.
	I decider.
	Okay.
	Can I ask you just a single question?
	Go.
	You can think about it, right?
	But could you tell me, give me a single thing that you could ever say that would be more narcissistic than I am God?
	Can you give me an example of a single thing?
	Not a single thing.
	He rests his point.
	I guess.
	I guess.
	Do you think you're a narcissist?
	Probably.
	NPD?
	No, no, no, no.
	I know NPD.
	My mother is likely an NPD.
	I know, but MPD.
	Pretty sure it's genetic.
	Personalities or cluster B personalities typically are, yeah.
	Well, okay.
	Do you have more, Andrew, on that?
	Yeah, so just to dive in, you claim that you can't think of a single thing you could ever say which was more narcissistic than I am God.
	Would you say that then, kind of an entailment of this, you saying that I am the ultimate controller?
	Would that be the ultimate in narcissism or solipsism?
	I think it could be interpreted that way, but I think in terms of your own life, we are the ultimate decider.
	We decide our own fate.
	Absolutely.
	We are the controller.
	Yeah, but that's a different statement.
	You could say, I decide my own fate, but you didn't say that.
	You said, I am God.
	Yeah.
	The creator of all things.
	Of my life, of my future.
	That's a much larger claim than I control my own life.
	That's a claim to I am the controller of all things.
	I am controller of all things.
	This isn't a reality.
	This is you.
	Might be the controller of all things.
	What?
	Yeah, of my life.
	I completely decide what happens in my life.
	So you mean all things just you?
	No, it's free will.
	We have free life.
	But you have control over just you, or you have control over the universe.
	Why would I have control over you?
	You just said that.
	Do you think a traditional man would see the tattoo on your neck, I am God, and see it as a massive red flag to get his wave away from you as fast as they possibly could?
	Yeah, and then I explain it.
	And I've been in that circumstance plenty of times.
	Did it work out?
	Yeah.
	But wait, it worked out where a traditional man was like, oh, you just have a tattoo that says, I am God on your neck.
	That's cool.
	Whatever explanation you have, I'm fine with that.
	No, they ask for the explanation.
	They demand it, and I have to give it to them, and I do.
	Which is just that I'm in control of my own life?
	Yeah, I'm in control of my own destiny.
	They probably don't care that much, really.
	That could be the very case, exactly.
	And you think that these are traditional men who say that?
	The men that I date are typically traditional, yes.
	I rarely date ever.
	What makes them traditional if they see a tattoo on your neck that says, I am God, and then they just hear your explanation that, well, that just means I'm in total control of my life.
	What are the traditional things that you think these men have?
	What makes them traditional?
	They're typically Catholic.
	They come from like a long lineage of family pedigrees.
	They're very big on traditional roles in terms of men being providers and women.
	Is that answering?
	How did he come up here?
	Catholic and their providers.
	How did he do that?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, so doesn't a Catholic want you to submit to him so you're not in control of your own life anymore?
	That's a good question.
	And I've been in that.
	Well, then don't tell me it's a good question.
	Can I just say it's a good question?
	It's a good question.
	You ask good fucking questions, Andrew.
	Come on.
	I know I ask good questions.
	I just want you to answer them, though.
	You don't have to restate them.
	I don't know.
	Sometimes your questions are too good.
	I don't know.
	Come on.
	Yeah, but answer it.
	So the question is: wouldn't a Catholic, traditional Catholic, want you to submit so that you were not in charge of your own destiny any longer?
	He was in charge of your destiny and his destiny, which is traditional Catholicism.
	How could you possibly reconcile and try to feed us this line that these are traditional men when I understand how Catholicism works and what they believe marriage is?
	And it's not a woman with a tattoo on the back of the neck that says, I am God.
	1,000%.
	This is kind of crazy how it's crazy, but also boring because it's the same thing about different issues.
	I agree.
	Literally.
	Okay, let me read a couple of things.
	It's true that relationship issues have overlap.
	That's true.
	Yes.
	It's like I said earlier, man, like nothing has, all these words mean nothing to her.
	The traditional guys, you're like, what does that mean by traditional?
	Well, not necessarily.
	I mean, she already said that.
	I literally just said, I just said that.
	None of these things are.
	It's like bringing a homeless guy in here and asking him to explain his thoughts.
	It's too hard to follow.
	I'm going to do a couple chats.
	I'm going to read a couple chats.
	And I do think that of all the podcast episodes we've done, this one may very well be analyzed for hundreds of years to come by various psychological associations.
	I don't know what kind of deep dives they're going to do, but this is a narcissist, so it's fine.
	Tendencies, yeah.
	This is great.
	This could be like, I don't know.
	This could like, okay, anyways, all right.
	I don't even know how.
	Okay, but we have way off base here.
	The blonde is venomous.
	The woman who is currently doing sex work is still a damn human being.
	Andrew, your replies to the situation.
	B.S.
	He without sin cast the first stone.
	Ain't that what he said?
	Okay, Andrew.
	You have a fascination with Andrew.
	I mean, I really do.
	Yes.
	Did you want to respond to that, Andrew, or just your godless?
	Can you just restate the last part of it?
	Oh, he just quoted the Bible.
	Yeah, he said he who is without sin cast the first stone.
	Sure.
	But he also said, go and sin no more.
	So you have to reconcile both these things, which means, yes, we're not going to viciously murder people for the things that they do, which are not an advocate for, but we can tell them go and sin no more.
	That's perfectly acceptable.
	And in order to tell them to do that, we have to point out what they're sinning about, right?
	Yes.
	Otherwise, how do they know how to not sin anymore?
	Right.
	I agree with that.
	And as a man of God, like, I can sit by someone who does OnlyFans and respect her as a person while having strong opinions about OnlyFans without not having eye contact and going statistically, bingo, you don't have a dad.
	Like, I can do it in a very Christ-like way, Andrew.
	Have you ever subscribed to OnlyFans?
	No.
	Wait, what's a very Christ-like way?
	Like, would that be making a whip inside of a temple and whipping people across the face and shoulders?
	Is that Christ-like to you?
	No, no, that's what they did to him.
	That's what Christ did.
	Christ didn't whip people.
	What do you talk about?
	Yes, he did.
	He made a fashion to whip and whip people.
	What are you talking about?
	I don't remember that.
	Christ whipping people.
	I'm sure you've selectively remembered before you talk about Christ.
	Oh, you'll just explain it to me.
	I don't know why I'm fighting.
	I'm not sure if you're a person of Christianity.
	That doesn't exist.
	Explain it to me.
	He's too likable.
	He's a little comedian.
	You can't do that.
	I think there was a moment in a temple where there was some whipping.
	And some people turned over the tables of kindred.
	Was there any table?
	Was there different changes?
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	Was there a table?
	No, but he didn't flog.
	I think there might have been like a table tip.
	I'm sorry, go ahead.
	Just show me the Bible verse where Jesus whipped anyone.
	I didn't hear what you were saying.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't know why you're chiming in at all.
	Yeah, it was a conversation with you.
	Yeah.
	Here.
	He made.
	Okay, you ready?
	Yes.
	He made a whip out of cords and drove them all from the temple courts.
	Both sheep and cattle.
	He scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned tables.
	Yeah, chased them out.
	When he made the whip out of the cords, what do you think he did with those?
	He had a whip.
	Yes, he chased them out of the thing there.
	How did he chase them out?
	With a whip, sir.
	Right.
	Yeah, with a whip.
	Right.
	Correct.
	It's like I have a gun.
	I don't shoot people with that.
	Do you ask me to give you the Bible verse?
	I don't know why you're arguing.
	If you want to concede that what I said was true, do that.
	Okay.
	Okay, the way Jesus was friends with Mary Magdalene while not maybe appreciating her lifestyle of choice might be a more comparable thing than debt collectors in the temple in the Middle East.
	Why?
	Why?
	Because I'm choosing to use an example that works for the situation that I'm talking about.
	You're choosing what you want to uphold your simpish worldview.
	I don't have a simpish worldview.
	You've been kind of a simp this whole podcast.
	No, not at all.
	What have I said about that?
	He's been a decent human being.
	No one's even asked my opinion on OnlyFans.
	I have strong opinions, which I've mentioned a few times.
	I don't like what she's doing to try to get more attention on this podcast by being in love with the people who are not going to be able to be aggressive to.
	No, I was respecting everyone.
	That's what a conversations remain.
	I didn't take that experience.
	They would be a lot more productive if you weren't very selective in the things that you chose.
	Like, for instance, when I bring this up, when I bring up the kind of Christian value that I'm looking at, clearly I'm far more informed on this than you are.
	For some reason, you still question what I said.
	Like, I didn't know what I was talking, but clearly I do.
	And I'm telling you that this real good, feel-good version of Christianity that you ascribe to is total nonsense.
	We don't know what to ascribe to.
	It's what we call head canon.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	So here is my worldview on that: is that Jesus had many things.
	When people talk about being Christ-like, they don't refer to the one time he lost his temper on debt collectors.
	You're being just as selective as I am being to make a point.
	No, I'm not being selective.
	I'm telling you, both things are true at the same time.
	So it's true that we should be forgiving.
	And it's even true that we should have compassion.
	But that doesn't mean avoiding.
	Which is objective reality and truth.
	And so we need to point both of these out and understand that the message that we're pointing out is that, yes, you are a sinner.
	Go and sin no more.
	Here's the sin that you're doing.
	But in order to evoke a reaction out of a person so they even recognize what sin they're committing, you have to be very blunt and sometimes provocative.
	Jesus also did this through the use of parables.
	That was to be as provocative as he could possibly be for the timeframe that he was in.
	You clearly weren't here to see how these things are going because it's been a consensus that the behavior has been pretty wild and tumultuous and not very Christ-like by anyone's selective definition, Andrew.
	And you don't know my worldview on these things.
	I'm not a simp.
	And if you take a browse of me, you just gave me head canon, so I do know your worldview.
	Your worldview is that you don't know the canon that you're espousing.
	You just heard of Jesus whipping anyone, and you didn't give me a good Bible verse to say that he whipped anyone just because he had a whip to chase debt collectors out of the temple.
	You're being just as selective.
	He went from some ropes and chased them out of the temple with a whip.
	With a whip!
	Yeah, he chased them out.
	He didn't whip people.
	He wasn't flogging people.
	What did he have the whip for?
	So that people could see it.
	You just startle them out of the temple for making a mockery of God's flogging.
	Do you think he was prepared to use the whip?
	Is there a difference between owning a gun, pointing a gun, and shooting a gun, Andrew?
	There's two of those are totally different.
	Would be if somebody owned a gun and then pointed it at you, would you assume that the intent was to not use it?
	Yes, but I wouldn't say they shot me, would I?
	You said he whipped people.
	Listen, dude, you're literally parsing words.
	Why are we talking about Jesus?
	You just said like I would probably whip people like Jesus would do.
	Which is so silly.
	Andrew?
	I think you're being really inappropriate right now because this guy that came in here today is a good guy.
	He's a nice guy.
	You're a good guy, right?
	You're a nice guy.
	He's non-judgmental.
	Every joke he says is but which is like a whiplash.
	You're just here.
	You're a good guy.
	You're funny.
	You're silly.
	You're fun.
	Everything's a great time.
	This is what the episode's been.
	Just about her doing this.
	Okay.
	Here, here.
	Let me get through these chats.
	Let me get through these chats.
	All right.
	Andrew thinks I'm some woke guy that came in here to meet only fans.
	Well, if you're going to talk about rebuking sin, then rebuke it.
	Okay.
	I don't.
	Don't stay on the fence and go, what would Jesus do?
	That's very simpish, bro.
	No, it isn't.
	How is that simply?
	That's not.
	But it is.
	Because what he ascribes to is the buddy Christ version of Christianity, which is pure head canon.
	Yes.
	It doesn't exist in reality.
	All right.
	You can like what he says.
	I don't.
	Here's what I'll say to you, Andrew.
	Fair enough.
	That's how you've summed me up from our brief thing that we've done here tonight.
	But you don't know me at all, if that's what you think, and that's fine.
	Because how could you know me?
	So it's okay.
	Here, let's, you guys put away your swords for a second here.
	Let me move on from the all right.
	We have Dr. Clockwork.
	So you've had two sugar daddies that wanted sex.
	Basically, you just dated two guys and now regret it because you weren't hot enough to make as much as you'd like.
	BFD, you're smart, but narcissistic.
	Thank you.
	That's it.
	Any further response or is that?
	No.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Dr. Clockwork.
	Appreciate it, man.
	We have way off base here.
	Uh-oh.
	Jesus loves all people, and it is not yours to judge.
	Judgment and admonishing are different things.
	I don't know.
	Whip.
	Andrew.
	Did you submit that?
	That is not what you're doing.
	You're still condescending to her.
	You texted the center of the table.
	You said, did you submit this?
	Jesus.
	No, no, no, I'm not way off text.
	Way off base?
	I don't know.
	It sounded like something you'd say.
	Okay.
	Here, we got a message here from Puffy Vegas.
	I'm going to rate the girls on a scale of one, two, one row 10.
	Okay, dude.
	This no BS, all are sevens, okay?
	Andrew, look at that comment.
	I'm so happy to be a seven.
	I like being compared to these pretty people.
	Okay.
	That's a really sweet comment, Andrew.
	We'll go around the table on this.
	What do you rate yourself looks?
	What do you rate your looks on a scale of one to ten?
	Starting with you going around the table.
	Go ahead.
	Am I really rating myself?
	Yes.
	Just on looks alone.
	Just looks.
	Just looks.
	Seven.
	I'll give it to him.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	I don't really know.
	It really is.
	It changes every day.
	Stop it.
	I'm sorry.
	Get some help.
	I'm sorry.
	Some days look in the mirror and I go, I drink a lot.
	I'm bloated.
	I'm a five.
	And other days look in the mirror and the.
	Do it!
	Shia, get the fuck off!
	Can you just answer the question?
	Some days I think I'm a 10.
	Some days I think I'm five, some days I'm a ten.
	How about today?
	How do you feel like today?
	Saved by the team.
	Butler donated $200.
	Watch your mouth when speaking to Andrew Herpe's infected comedy boy.
	I'll reach through that screen and force feed Valtrex stamp your filthy mouth until shit yourself.
	Hashtag failed comedian, hashtag help us.
	Wow.
	Brutal.
	He's got to be a kink.
	I think you.
	You find we're on the same team, Andrew.
	I don't know if you know me very good.
	Go ahead.
	Well, when you act like we're on the same team, I'm going to definitely get your back, man.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	This has been a fun, fun night.
	Okay.
	I can't deny that.
	It has been fun.
	Scale from one to ten.
	Go ahead.
	Thank you, Jay Butler, by the way.
	Appreciate it.
	I would.
	I probably.
	I really liked how I looked today.
	I was very confident.
	So today you are a nine.
	I really liked how I looked in the mirror today.
	A nine?
	I was a little bit bloated, but yeah.
	Wait, why are you laughing at that?
	She's God.
	Oh, no, I don't object to you laughing.
	I'm just curious why you're laughing.
	No, because God is a ton, so it was to the comic.
	God's LA 100, dude.
	Yeah, yeah.
	What about you?
	A seven.
	Seven?
	Okay.
	Into the mic, please.
	Sorry.
	I don't really know.
	I guess same thing, like worst day, like a six, best day, like a nine.
	I also have a question.
	Actually, I forgot it.
	Never mind.
	Kiki?
	War.
	She thinks she's a ton.
	She's for sure.
	Ew?
	Ew.
	Mia, what about you?
	I would give myself a seven.
	Okay.
	I think I'm an eight for a 40-year-old man.
	Yeah, handsome guy.
	I'm six foot four.
	I give myself a five.
	Used to be a six, now I'm a five.
	I've gotten a little chubby.
	You have gotten a little chubby.
	You have a little bit.
	I've been a long time watching.
	Yeah, my face has gotten a little chubby.
	It happens.
	Stress.
	I stress seat.
	I don't drink.
	Yeah, yeah, me too.
	I don't do drugs.
	I don't smoke.
	I tend to.
	It's a stressful show.
	Desserts is horrible.
	Well, I saw.
	That's a good one.
	Hamburgers, carps.
	Yep.
	Used to be a six, now I'm a five.
	I have a dad bud right now.
	I need to.
	I'm working on it, lads.
	So, okay, there you have it, fellas.
	Does it always go like this?
	Like the whole thing?
	No.
	Does it ever?
	What do you mean, like this?
	Like, I don't know.
	It just feels like there's like a lot going on.
	I don't know.
	I haven't watched the podcast.
	No, usually there's not.
	There's like usually there's not this much fuckery.
	Usually there's not God in the room either.
	Yeah.
	And then she's here today.
	So we're away.
	Get the rocks.
	Abdul?
	Yeah.
	Get the rocks.
	Get the rocks.
	Andrew, is it blasphemy for that tattoo she has?
	Is that blasphemy?
	Yes.
	It's literally the epitome of blasphemy to say, I am God is blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
	It's one of the few things that's an unforgivable sin.
	Unforgivable.
	I agree.
	Yeah, that's the actual only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
	Yeah, a thousand percent.
	Be still for us.
	Now, still, still, just so you know, there's still a path to grace here.
	Okay, I'm just explaining to you that that's the worst of the worst of the worst.
	That was literally what Satan did.
	Satan declared he was God.
	Yeah.
	And then.
	Good times.
	All right.
	That's.
	Let me see if I have any other notes here.
	So.
	Oh, we got to get to.
	Is it Meyer or Mia?
	It's Mia.
	Mia.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	You are an OnlyFans model.
	Yes.
	You are single, liberal.
	Did you say you're currently dating multiple partners?
	No, no, no.
	Oh, you said something here about multiple partners.
	I said something regarding that I've dated.
	Oh, maybe in the past you've had multiple partners.
	But not currently?
	No.
	There's no guy in the picture?
	Yeah.
	No guy in the picture?
	No.
	I don't.
	No.
	No, I truly have a question.
	No guy in the picture.
	There's no guy in the picture.
	You said there was when we were on the couch.
	You said for three years now.
	No.
	You did it?
	No.
	Really?
	No.
	She's made stuff up before.
	Yeah, so I don't know.
	You were like three years, but I'm private.
	You like quoted someone and it just did not happen.
	And everyone said that.
	Everything that is really just not real.
	So I think it's.
	Oh, she didn't say that on the couch.
	Okay.
	You know what?
	I may have misquoted.
	Were you at the couch too?
	She's not going to say nothing.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so I'm single.
	I'm not seeing anybody.
	I've chosen to kind of keep it this way for the past, I want to say six-ish months.
	But yeah.
	I don't know what the truth is, what the truth is.
	And what I will say to the chat, and not to try to, again, I don't know what the actual truth is here.
	What I will say is that many times on the show, whether they do OnlyFans, whether they don't, although it happens to be the case that it's more likely if they're female content creators or they do OF or something, it's very often the case that women are not going to reveal if they're in a relationship publicly because that has a negative impact on their bottom line when it comes to be whether even if they don't do any kind of OnlyFans or sex work,
	it's going to hurt their bottom line, even if they're like just a Twitch streamer, no nudity content creator, YouTuber, because there is this sort of component of if a lot of their audience is male, there's this like weird parasocial thing where the men will be more engaged with their content if they think they have a chance with this girl who's single.
	But obviously if the girl has a boyfriend, it kind of like most guys are going to be like tap out on that.
	And especially the case for OnlyFans girls, like if it 100% hurts a girl's bottom line if she reveals she's in a relationship.
	So we've had, I don't know the truth of your situation, but we've had multiple girls come on the show, whether they're OnlyFans girls, content creators, who will come on the show, say they're single, and then we saw their boyfriend drop them off, hug, kiss, da-da-da.
	They tell us after the show, oh, yeah, I'm dating.
	I've been, I have a long-term boyfriend for two years.
	So, gentlemen, just not directed at her, but any content, any female content creator, you should like take it with a grain of salt if they say they're single.
	Because obviously.
	It is kind of weird that you just said that because it's exactly what you told me on the couch.
	I got to think about what happened on the couch.
	No, no, I'm just saying that was, it was almost like you were, were you there?
	No, but like this.
	That's just like what you said.
	That was super weird.
	I said that.
	Why would you keep trying to attack her saying that she's not going to be able to do that?
	Who?
	I don't know that you're going to.
	You keep saying that she kept saying stuff on the couch like she's not talking for herself right now.
	I can't speak for myself, obviously.
	Well, you're not going to speak.
	She should use your hands and cover your fucking mouth again.
	Just because clearly you should be stressed and scared.
	The truth.
	That was a great era when she was like, that was so.
	But as you were saying, I was going to say, like, maybe, maybe people aren't dating people, but I would love to ask women, just in general, how, because men are more physical than females, typically.
	How many men are you just leading on in your phone for attention?
	Like, how many guys can you just text right now, like, and be like, what's up?
	Like, that guy thinks he kind of has a shot, or he thinks, you know, he's like, oh, I flirt with this one girl.
	She works.
	Like, how many, if I, that's why everyone's so nervous when they hand each other their phones or like they'll be like, oh, I don't want my boyfriend of 20 years or husband.
	They go, don't look at my phone.
	It's an invasion of my privacy.
	It's like, well, what's really in there?
	What's really going here?
	Why don't we start with that?
	How many people do you get attention from in your phone that are men?
	Past things or.
	Well, obviously with OnlyFans, I get a lot of attention, but in reality, I actually don't intervene.
	Or I don't really interact with many men in my actual life.
	So unless it's work-related, stream-related, I'm not really engaging with any relationships in that realm.
	So I don't really have any conversations with men.
	I don't really.
	I obviously do with the people that I'm working with collectively, so any of my editors and all that, but I don't really allow any flirtations between my actual life.
	And that's just because of my own decisions.
	And I really am focused on my job, and I really am focused on my life.
	I have three pets at home that I take care of full-time.
	That's something that I take care of.
	And I don't really just entertain any other person right now.
	Weird.
	Yeah.
	That's just my own take.
	That's been more recent.
	Because I love attention.
	That was like a big thing that I went through for a long time.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Yes, really.
	I think, and if I can say, like, moving to LA from Orange County, if you guys don't know that, I just, I don't find any.
	Oh, really?
	See, okay, but I just, I haven't found anybody in Los Angeles that I'm like, okay, I'm going to devote my time to you and give you any of that.
	If anything, I'm trying to find friendships and I'm trying to find my actual realms that I want to remain in, such as soul cycle or anything fun that I enjoy as opposed to, let's take a bunch of people.
	Not anymore, but I have.
	But when I did it, it wasn't like one guy for like months and then he's just miserable.
	It'll be like, I'm going to have a fun night tonight and download Tinder and just talk to like 10 people and then just never talk to them again, which is super bitchy.
	And I don't do it anymore.
	But I've done that before.
	Yeah, like when I was in my younger years, IA.
	So it would be like maybe like 50 to 100.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You throw another trap.
	Yeah, but it's 50 to 100.
	And you think to yourself, like, I'm not sleeping with them.
	It's not like I'm hanging out with them.
	We're just talking.
	It's just attention.
	And look, it's fun to flirt, right?
	Yeah.
	50 to 100 dudes you're talking to.
	Well, like back then.
	Back then?
	What do you mean back then?
	Well, like maybe when I was like 20 to 23.
	I didn't have the time.
	Well, I mean, they'll like throw an emoji and you just like respond with emojis back.
	Like, you know, like, which emojis?
	Like the heart, thank you.
	Like, like, just interaction.
	Yeah, it's like you're right there and like, oh my gosh, you message back type of thing.
	Good times.
	What about you?
	Actively none.
	Also, same, actively none.
	Those of you, I feel like those of you who, okay, those of you who said you're single, when's the last time you spent time one-on-one with a guy who is romantically interested in you and you're romantically interested in him?
	AKA had P and the V sex with.
	Okay.
	Is it starting with?
	Yeah.
	Wait, what was the question?
	What's your exact question?
	When is the last?
	Sorry.
	I gotta be blunt with it.
	When is the last time you've had sexual intercourse with a male?
	Like a month ago.
	Touchy.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I'm not single.
	Oh, you have a.
	I have a boyfriend.
	It's hard for me to process that, but okay.
	There's a man who's a little bit more.
	Do you have a boyfriend?
	Wait, how long has he been your boyfriend?
	Not long.
	What's his name?
	He just got his name.
	First name.
	I won't say, I won't say it won't say.
	Fake name.
	Give us a fake name.
	Peter.
	Yo, I need graveyard emojis, skull emojis in the chat for Peter.
	Like RIPs in the chat for Peter.
	R.I.P.'s in the chat for Peter.
	Peter's having a picture.
	He is what he is saying.
	Peter's having a rough one right now.
	Wait, Peter, Peter's having a what?
	Peter's having a rough time right now.
	We got the skull emojis.
	We got the graveyard chat.
	It's pretty bad for people.
	Spam it, boys.
	Graveyard emojis, fucking skull emojis, RIPs in the chat for a while.
	Black Santa for Peter, too.
	I'm like Santa.
	Yeah.
	Love you.
	Love you.
	Positive light on the button.
	Never mind.
	Okay.
	Oh, for wait, hold on What was I?
	I had something else that I wanted to.
	Oh, hold on.
	Oh, yeah, guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	We got more questions for Mia.
	Maya?
	Mia?
	Hi there, it's fine.
	Well, which one's I go by Mia, but call me Maya.
	Maya.
	She said Mia like five times.
	I'm challenged.
	Okay, guys, twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
	Oh my god, the twitch is on fire.
	You're 1,400 viewers.
	Holy mo.
	my god this is like free peter this is This is peak.
	Oh my God, this is peak.
	Free Peter until it's back.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
	Thank you guys so much for all the primes.
	This is peak viewership, I think, on Twitch ever.
	So, yo, free Peter on Twitch chat, free Peter.
	Hashtag Free Peter.
	Can you pull that up?
	Dude deserves a Twitch.
	Hashtag Free Peter.
	Hashtag Free Peter, Doug.
	Bro, this guy is must locked up in some fucking dungeon somewhere in fucking Boston.
	like this is some can we play the what's that song from the departed Don, dun, don't, don't, no, no, don't, What's that fucking song?
	Anybody in the chat with that song?
	It's like the fucking, bro, this poor guy in fucking Boston.
	Does he have a Bostonian accent?
	He's literally, this is like Stockholm fucking syndrome with this girl.
	He must be like, Jesus Christ, he must be debating.
	He's been dating you for two weeks.
	He's already considering like deleting himself.
	That is the extent of his relationship with you.
	What's that song by the fucking from in the departed?
	Nick, can you, what's the, what's the, what's the song from the departed?
	Shipping up to Boston.
	Is that the fucking song by the what?
	Long live Peter.
	Long live Peter.
	Next one.
	Bender the Offender.
	Did we do the Bender the Offender?
	Absolutely.
	It's crazy girl.
	That's why he's doing it.
	It's never worth it.
	No, It's not worth it.
	Find that out.
	Yeah, that's a very good point.
	Don't.
	Ain't no pussy good enough.
	Long live.
	For.
	I wish he.
	I hope he's watching.
	Free Peter.
	Yo, Free Peter in the chat.
	Peter Griffin.
	Hashtag Free Peter in the chat.
	Delete that.
	Wait, did you get the orange?
	Peter Griffin, can we delete him, please?
	Go ahead.
	Delete him.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We got Twitch here.
	Let me get.
	You can hide that.
	I got to pull up Thelian.
	Now, I must say I do love the debates and religious talk, but I do want to know to the women in the red, what is your opinion on the current dating world?
	Also love the podcast.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Oh, the alien, excuse me.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Go ahead.
	That's definitely hard.
	I mean, I feel like everyone is going into a relationship.
	It's like, what is in it for me type of thing?
	And then we're just shying away from actually like being a couple.
	And it's more of like a give and take type of thing.
	Word.
	It's true.
	It's true.
	You know what?
	I think you're laughing because you know it's true.
	No, I think she's enjoying just that everything's about her.
	So even if it's a negative thing about her, she's getting so much delight out of it.
	It's the narcissist.
	Oh, that's a fair point.
	That's a very good assessment.
	Yeah, it's like, I don't even care if you say bad things about me as long as it's about me.
	So it's a lot of that.
	Yeah, 1,000%.
	Yeah.
	How does it.
	Actually, wait, no, you're not a refugee from Ukraine.
	So I was about to, for some reason, go into the whole Ukraine thing.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	My entire family is.
	My entire family.
	Well, when I say not a refugee, I mean a refugee of the current ongoing conflict in Ukraine.
	No, so I'm the only one in my entire family on both sides that's in America besides my mother.
	So all my family is still in Ukraine.
	But Bulia Masha and Bulia.
	The Dulia, like, they're all still in there because they don't give a fuck.
	They're like, if we get bombed, we get bombed.
	And the rest are in Ireland and Montreal, Canada.
	Even the men?
	Or just the women?
	The men and the women, yeah.
	None of them are in fighting in the war or anything.
	Well, you said the rest of them are in Ireland.
	Ireland, yeah, Arlen and Montreal, Canada.
	Those are the two biggest refugee.
	No, just all my family, like my mother's and father's side.
	Pretty sure men aren't able to leave Ukraine.
	My father did.
	My father didn't.
	Maybe he got out somehow.
	I don't know.
	Anyways, I'm not trying to get into the fucking.
	He is black.
	He is very black market.
	But no, he's in Montreal right now with his family.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let's talk about, let's go around the table.
	What's fuck it?
	Normally I do like a little prompt before this, but let's just ask: what's everybody's body count?
	Starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	I don't count that.
	I think it's immature.
	Oh, so, well, okay, fine.
	I will do a prompt.
	Do you object to men caring about a woman's body count?
	Do you think it's immature?
	You do object?
	I object with everyone thinking that a body count is necessary.
	Do you think body count does?
	What do you mean necessary?
	I just think it's immature.
	Okay.
	We'll come back to that, but let's go around the table, get everybody's answer.
	What about you?
	Do you object to men caring about a woman's body count?
	No, they should.
	They absolutely should care about a woman's body count.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Say, yes, it does matter.
	And minus 12.
	Oh, okay.
	There you go.
	12.
	Okay.
	I won't answer the number part, but I think that where, like, I don't think it matters.
	It does matter in a way where it's like because it matters to other people, it matters to me.
	You know, but I don't personally think there's anything wrong either way.
	But I know there are statistics that show like people have different ability to be in long-term relationships, and that's correlated to their body count, and that's true, you know, but that's also a statistic and it's not a person.
	Kiki?
	Ew.
	My body count is 10.
	And in addition to that, I don't necessarily think it's the most important thing to like regard in everything, but I do think having an open conversation once in a while is fine, especially in a real relationship as opposed to a hookup.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	I get why people care.
	Do you not care?
	No, I would like to say, like, oh, it's immature.
	I don't think it's necessary.
	But my real, if I'm just honest with myself, like, I just don't want to know.
	Yeah, because I will judge it if I know it.
	So I would never ask a girl I'm dating of it.
	I just clearly do not want to know.
	But wouldn't you rather take the red pill and know the truth because it's like that's where jealousy is.
	Knowing can be troublesome, you know?
	Because people do change and people.
	Give me the truth.
	I think give me the truth.
	I know.
	For most things, I do.
	Most things I want the truth.
	I need the truth.
	I'm a big truth guy.
	I think for body counts, because one, I've been very reckless in my young life with it, and I spent a lot of my life being an alcoholic.
	So my body count is very high that I'm not proud of in hindsight.
	No way.
	And then also the people, I know that I might hypocritically put my judgments on the girl, so I just can't hear it.
	I can't hear it because I will judge it.
	So it's better to just not know for me personally.
	Dude, I just want to let you know that is simp-like behavior.
	What is?
	It's really not.
	It's just maturity.
	It is.
	It's really simple-like behavior.
	Whenever you respect a woman, I'm afraid that I will be judged.
	Or in your particular case, you're saying I don't want to know because if I do know, I might take a negative outlook, right?
	But that's the whole point: we want you to take a negative outlook based on that.
	And the fact that you don't is one of the big problems that we're having in society.
	That's the point.
	Yeah.
	What problems?
	Because I think that body count is also not indicative of a person at all because sometimes things happen.
	Well, let me explain why you can't change it.
	To answer your question.
	The reason that it's a problem is because what it allows is it allows promiscuity to kind of operate unfettered.
	Okay, so what happens by men not producing judgment on women who are very loose women or have sex with many partners under the guise of I don't want to know, it actually encourages women to do this behavior because they feel like there'll be no societal or social repercussions.
	That's the problem.
	I don't think that everyone should just like have sex all the time with whoever all the time.
	Like, I think that can be dangerous for a person.
	But also, I think it needs to be considered that.
	That has nothing to do with what I just said.
	Can you answer to what I just said?
	What I said specifically is that the reason this is such a problem is because if you don't use the shame tactic for women in society for being highly promiscuous, then what ends up happening is it creates an open license for them to be highly promiscuous because the way that they operate in society is based heavily around judgment.
	So women tend to trend towards what society judges as being appropriate or inappropriate.
	So if they think this is appropriate and there's no repercussions, they'll do it.
	And that's exactly the trend we see right now.
	Can you answer that?
	1000%.
	Jesus Christ, this guy's work hard.
	What I disagree is that there's a difference between thinking that promiscuity is appropriate or that promiscuity is okay and a body count being okay.
	Because a body count is history.
	Promiscuity, promiscuity.
	That's a proxy for promiscuity.
	That's protection.
	Yeah, that is history of being promiscuous.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Finish your point.
	Not everyone gets to choose their body count.
	What?
	What does that mean?
	What in the world does that mean?
	No, I know what you're saying.
	I know what you're saying.
	I don't.
	The reality is, though, women who have high body counts, it's not typically because the hundreds, say a girl's been with 100 men.
	Her body count's 100.
	What percentage would you attribute that to, and I know what you're getting at, to SA?
	It's not even necessarily that.
	Also, I don't think you would count that as a body to be a person.
	I don't even think that that's where she was going.
	Also, when it comes to body count, let's just even remove that off the table.
	Consensual body count.
	Let's say that.
	There's like a kind of a line, though, because while men want to judge a body count, they're also going to be really quick to try to get any women in their vicinity to hook up with them.
	And if a woman says no the first time and then like gets pressured a little bit and a little bit more, that happens with most.
	Oh, I see.
	So women don't have agency.
	I got it.
	That's not true.
	It's not about actually being held down.
	So you don't have the agency to say no.
	Kind of, yeah.
	That's ridiculous.
	Why don't you have the agency to say no?
	I think that as a society, we have a kind of culture where like I know bad things, like I have, there's bad outcomes when you do that.
	And like society has like literally conditioned women to be more okay and more susceptible to that.
	So this is perfect.
	So this leads right into my point, which is that if we as a society use shame tactics or open tactics for what we want to see as the outcome in society, then you're actually making my point for me, which is that you feel like society rewards these high pressure tactics.
	And what I'm saying is that we as a society should not reward women for promiscuity.
	We should reward them for saying no.
	And so they'll say no more.
	This way, in this particular way, both sides win, right?
	So the whole goal is to bring down promiscuity.
	I think that the focus should be shifted a little bit, not towards the people that fall victim to the people.
	Responsible, the people that are responsible.
	Men and women.
	Both parties are responsible, is the thing.
	No, no, no, no, not responsible.
	A man is responsible for his body.
	They're not.
	Hang on.
	Let me hang on.
	Let me just correct this and then I'll let you speak.
	They're not responsible.
	Women are the gatekeepers of sex, not men.
	Women are the gatekeepers of sex.
	They've always been the gatekeepers of sex and they always will.
	Most men were not even able to procreate.
	Historically, only a small percentage of them were because women are the gatekeepers of sex.
	So, no, both parties are not responsible.
	One party is really responsible.
	Well, what you're saying is, I need to have an ability to say no to someone.
	Yes.
	A guy in my same position, he's saying yes.
	Why is no one talking about him?
	What does that have to do with you saying no?
	Stop using.
	Stop using the female martial art.
	What about the men, though?
	And instead, use your own form of argumentation and say this is a bad behavior in women without sourcing.
	What about men?
	What's your body count?
	But can I get what's your body count?
	Can I just, yeah.
	Let's say it was 4 million.
	What would that have to do with my point?
	That's like dangerous.
	And like that, I don't think that's okay.
	Like, I don't think that's good for you.
	Like, I think.
	Well, you just got done saying nobody even has responsibility for.
	It's not even a big deal.
	Now it's not okay if mine's 4 million.
	No, I'm saying that it does matter.
	I'm saying that I agree with you that no one should be as promiscuous as they want, but I'm just saying when it's at 4 million, it's kind of.
	He was being facetious.
	I know.
	Yeah, I'm trying to make a point of view.
	But if it's not 100%, which is that, regardless of how high it is, nowhere near as high as yours, but regardless of how high it is, it wouldn't really matter to the point.
	The point is that women are the gatekeeper of sex.
	And simps who say, I don't care about how many sexual partners you've had, add to the problem of promiscuity in society.
	So what I'm saying is that these things follow each other.
	I was saying, I don't want to know.
	I just don't want to know.
	That's all.
	Yeah, no, but we need you to say you do want to know because that's part of the problem that you don't.
	That's I don't want to know.
	But also to her point, like take the scenery of like earlier, you guys said that men are stronger than women, right?
	Like physically.
	So if you're in a situation where, say, you're on like a first Tinder date, let's just put the scenario out there.
	You've never met this man.
	It's like a hookup type thing.
	You kind of don't want to hook up with him, but a man is stronger.
	So if you're going to say no, sorry, sorry, go on.
	If you're going to say no and a man is over you being like, well, I want to do this as a woman, because we are technically weaker than men, like physically, it is scary to say no because a man can literally take over you and be like, I'm going to do this anyway.
	Can I first spawn to that?
	Can I say that?
	That's okay.
	So wait, let's let me know.
	I got to ask.
	I got to ask this real quick.
	Go ahead.
	What you're actually saying there is the reason that you say yes to a man being persistent about sex is because you're afraid that he's going to SA you.
	Sometimes, yes.
	Yeah, but that's ridiculous.
	Why?
	Clearly, well, because clearly you have tons and tons of sexual suitors, and you must say no to them all the time.
	What?
	You can not be yours.
	No, no, no, don't do that.
	Just answer to what I'm saying.
	That's not even a problem.
	Do you have a ton of sexual suitors, yes or no?
	No.
	You don't?
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	So you're the one woman on planet Earth who doesn't have a lot of men who are in your DMs, things like this, who are trying to pursue some kind of relationship with you.
	Okay, so what's your point?
	That you can have sexual money.
	And you just lied to me, right?
	Your point is that I could message a man and say, I want to have sex with you.
	That is true.
	No, my point is to say that you obviously, like most women who are online and have some kind of online presence, are probably propositioned tons and tons of times by men all the time.
	And you have some kind of way in which you probably politely rebuff them and don't even put yourself in that situation, correct?
	Can I talk about that?
	It's actually crazy because I, for a really, long time, would just not ever be alone with a man that I didn't want to have sex with just in case.
	So I would never have to say no.
	Tried it once.
	Hissy fit, yelling at me.
	He yelled at me to get out after talking about blue balls, talking about all of this.
	Oh, he didn't.
	So he didn't essay you?
	He just told you to get out?
	I don't like being.
	I'm just saying, men like that.
	You don't lie about accountability.
	But this goes to a whole different point than if I said no, I would be SA'd.
	It sounds like you said no and he threw you out.
	That's a whole different thing, right?
	My point is not that the number of bodies you have equals the amount of time you were essayed.
	My point is that people get scared to say no because there can be consequences.
	And the severity of those consequences.
	But the answer for fear shouldn't be sex.
	There's many ways you.
	I don't subscribe to anything of like, well, I felt the pressure.
	So you just, I tell my sisters and my nieces that it's like, you just, you, yeah, he's going to call you a bitch or something, but like, you don't, the answer isn't just going along with whatever they want.
	I am so sick and tired of women not taking responsibility for their own actions.
	For sexual assault?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And I'll tell you exactly why.
	It is 100% completely preventable.
	You don't show up.
	Yes, it is.
	Okay.
	Here's can you talk about all the women in foreign countries that are literally being forced against their will to have sex with men?
	Yeah.
	Are we talking about foreign countries right now?
	Are we talking about their faults?
	Are we talking about the world?
	Which is here in the United States.
	I'm talking about her.
	Let's talk about.
	Yeah, thank you, Andrew.
	We're talking about here.
	And this is what I will say.
	Are you taking a break back there?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You get up with me going?
	Huh?
	You get with me going?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I think that, and you remember we were saying like radical feminism, I think Camille Paglia says it really well.
	Women have been painting themselves to be these really small, wholesome, soft creatures that can't say no.
	I'm so tired of these weak women.
	Sexual, I can't say that.
	SA is 100% preventable.
	And here's how, yes, it is.
	And here's how.
	You don't put yourself in a situation to be essayed.
	You don't go into a party where there's a majority of men where you are under the influence and you are taking drugs and you're getting your drinking where you had the chance to be drugged.
	Men have drugged women.
	They drug you, whatever it is.
	So that's preventable.
	1000%.
	You don't wear your nicest mink coat in the ghettos because you know for a fact there's a chance of you getting robbed.
	You don't display yourself in a place where you know that men that are under the influence will take an advantage of you.
	You can 100% say no.
	Take responsibility for yourself.
	Okay, so if I want to go to a bar in sweats and a hoodie and I go to a bar just to have fun with my girlfriends, I'm allowing men to take advantage of me.
	No.
	That's what you just said.
	No, I'm saying that it really is preventable.
	I think the problem, the problem that she made with her point, which unfortunately, because people become very pedantic and they don't go to the point that's being made, they go to the pedantry around it.
	So let's not just say, we won't say all then.
	We're just not as a monolith.
	Not every one of them is preventable.
	Right, right.
	Right?
	But what she's saying is the heart of what she's saying is that most of this is preventable by using common sense.
	Wouldn't that be a more accurate way of putting that?
	Yeah, thank you.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I think it's very easy to say, there's no such thing as there is no absolute truth to anything.
	There is always an outlier, yes.
	So, you going to a bar and hanging out with your friends and sweats.
	I highly doubt a man's going to look at you and want to drug you, but they may.
	And they may look at you and they may drug you.
	And that is one of those circumstances that you cannot prevent at all.
	There is a smart way of handling your drink and being conscious of your environment.
	But yes, the vast majority of sexual assault is 100% preventable.
	Okay, period.
	Period.
	Thank you, Andrew.
	I actually agree with what you're saying.
	You shouldn't put yourself in those situations, but to like circle back right to the beginning, you gave a lot of excuses for like, she's 19.
	She's 19.
	She's 19.
	So think about it when you were 19.
	You go to house parties.
	You do these dumb, stupid things.
	You get fake IDs.
	You go to bars.
	And it's easy to be an Andrew or myself and say, well, looking back, I was that guy who was a drunk asshole idiot pressuring girls.
	Come on, just touch it.
	I've been that guy.
	And that's what I was trying to say with my answer about body counts, Andrew, is that I'm not simping.
	I'm just saying that I'm a little realistic of how young people behave and how I used to behave and how these things are.
	You can have a perspective of that.
	Do I think we should change that?
	Can I explain why I think it's simping?
	Yeah, you can in a second.
	You can in a second.
	Let me finish.
	Sorry, I didn't mean like, let me finish.
	I just made, let me finish.
	No, you're fine.
	I don't mean to cut you off.
	I just want to give you an explanation when you're ready.
	Right.
	Now, I'm trying to be realistic that I was definitely part of that problem while also having some grace of my past self of being like, when you're young, you don't care.
	A lot of these conversations, young people don't even care about.
	They're like, why are they talking about this?
	You're just young.
	You just do young, stupid people shit.
	And now that I'm my age, I go, yeah, your future self is going to be pretty upset that you did OnlyFans.
	Your future self is going to be very upset that you made the decisions you made with boyfriends and girlfriends and parties and things like that.
	It's easy for 40-year-old Jeff to sit here.
	The people that vote no on abortion generally are married, nice people who believe that they're babies.
	They're not thinking about when they were 18 and they just wanted to fuck their girlfriend.
	So I'm just, I'm, with all my answers, I'm simply just trying to have some grace about how young people think about things.
	Well, the reason that this is so...
	Thank you, Tom.
	Go ahead.
	I'm sorry.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	The reason this is such simpl-like behavior.
	Okay.
	Because what's really going on is you're demonstrating that there could be a standard for you.
	And the standard for you is like when you're young and you're crazy, you had a lot of sex and you were promiscuous and this type of thing, right?
	Okay, and so you apply that to women as well.
	And so you say, well, if that was true of me, then it would be hypocritical for me to say to women, hey, you had a lot of sex and this type of thing when you were younger too.
	But it's not actually a hypocrisy because men and women value different things in each other.
	Men value chastity of women and women don't really value the chastity of men.
	And so what ends up happening is you really push in and you create kind of a problem when you say that we're interchangeable widgets this way.
	We're really not.
	And that's what makes it simpl-like behavior.
	Okay.
	Well, I don't like the term simpl-like behavior, but your explanation is I agree with your explanation.
	The title is pretty fucking immature.
	Simpl-like behavior.
	Andrew, I think it would be a little bit more.
	Well, I mean, I think it just put that in one of your people's simpl-like behavior.
	Yeah, well, I think it just kind of captures a thing which most people can grasp.
	And so if you're a skilled debater, one of the things that you want to do is bring the idea to the level that people can understand it the best way possible.
	When I say simp, nobody's confused by what that means.
	And when I say simpl-like behavior, it means behavior which leads to men simping.
	What?
	Thank you.
	That was really good, Andrew.
	Was it?
	And you would be very fun at dinner parties.
	That was really good, Andrew.
	I think you and Andrew should get married.
	I don't think Andrew would like you at all.
	I think that you are really far off on that.
	I like him.
	He doesn't have to like me, but I like him.
	Andrew, what do you think of her?
	I don't like her a bit.
	I think she's completely disingenuous.
	And I think that the entirety of this conversation, she's taken whichever side she thinks will get her the most amount of attention.
	And right now she feels like she's on the winning side, which is, of course, me because I'm awesome.
	And so she's simping as well.
	Yeah, I think so.
	I agree.
	Okay.
	Somebody sent me an Instagram DM that story you took, perhaps even today, and there were a lot of pill bottles behind you.
	Are you currently on any medications?
	Yeah, no, I'm on just on one.
	I'm on an SSRI.
	It's really funny, isn't it?
	You look like you would be on SSRI, too.
	It's funny that you're like laughing with me.
	Bro, this girl wants the smoke from fucking everything.
	No, no, no.
	So I'm on peroxetine.
	I'm on Pexel.
	I've been on it since I was 18.
	What's that?
	That's an SSRI.
	So SSRI.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I'm on 40 milligrams.
	And then in terms of other medication, no, I've had, I have, I suffer from really severe migraines as of the last few months.
	Yeah, it's been really bad.
	I've been in a headache clinic.
	I had a CT scan.
	So I'm on medications for a microphone.
	Have you ever met a male that behaves like her?
	I actually hate to say this, but there are certain drugs which I believe are classified as SSRIs, which do help with migraines.
	I actually, I hate to come in and actually defend, but that is true.
	Why can't you just say?
	Well, we believe you.
	We believe her, too.
	We think she is on a lot of pills.
	What I was saying is if any man behaved the way she does, there would be already a fistfight between these two, definitely these two, and occasionally these two.
	Like, if I ever said like the laughing during a vulnerable story or the, you look like this, or I mean, this was pretty aggressive, like, stopping me.
	It's only the table.
	Really?
	All right.
	Wait.
	From what?
	Sorry.
	From who you want to beef with her?
	Yeah.
	Me?
	Why?
	She didn't do anything to me, but she's hella disrespectful.
	Oh, so you want to smack her is what you're saying?
	I was going to say.
	Wait, show of hands.
	Show of hands.
	Who at the table want to.
	What's your name again?
	Velve?
	Velve.
	That's your name?
	That's a fake name.
	Who at the table wants to have sex?
	Oh, yeah.
	Beat my ass.
	Smack smack.
	I think she could use some of women, so I'm not raising my hand here, but y'all are women.
	Are you in?
	Do you guys try to?
	I would if you're not.
	You feel like you want to.
	Like, I want to smack.
	I would never get to that.
	So I don't try to beat cops either, so I wouldn't just put a hand on her, but she obviously would deserve one.
	What about you?
	Was that a hand raise?
	No, I'm just.
	No?
	The things I want to do, the things I actually do are two.
	Yeah, I'm just trying to have a conversation.
	The one thing I did want to say is, like, if you guys acknowledge, obviously you guys were listening to her story, but I'm not saying that it's untrue at all.
	You came from Ukraine.
	You said that your family's out there or they're abroad.
	And instead of making commentary or fighting with you and like, oh, that's so funny.
	Bingo, your family's not around.
	Or whatever I could have said to literally repeat what you did to me.
	Like, you're just trying to make yourself sound better than all of us instead of actually having a conversation.
	Exactly.
	But something that I could have done is that.
	I don't think I'm better than any of you guys.
	You literally have a tattoo that says, I am God.
	Yeah.
	Clearly you do.
	Yeah, Velve.
	Something that you did unto me, I did not do unto you.
	If anything, if you guys had even looked at me for a moment during that time that you were sharing that vulnerability, because I think it's vulnerable, I was very empathetic, and it actually broke my heart to hear that because...
	I shouldn't.
	Okay.
	Regardless, I felt sorry because hearing that isn't fun.
	And I didn't have any need to be an asshole and say, bingo, or there you go, or fuck you too.
	Like this student.
	You deserve.
	And I wouldn't do that.
	And that's what you did.
	Well, I would have made a really good timing and you would have been correct.
	Okay, this isn't about timing.
	This is about having a conversation like a fucking.
	It's funny.
	This is just having a real conversation.
	Yeah, and that would all have made sense if she hadn't said that.
	Okay.
	It was like funny for a little bit, and like now it's just like, yeah.
	That's how I felt when you were talking for the first hour.
	Okay.
	I told her.
	It was like, stop asking me questions.
	And I was like, you want to keep asking her?
	And then I was like, okay, my turn's done.
	And then I chilled out.
	Yeah.
	And then you cried.
	You circled back to me enjoying it again.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Oh, wait, I have something for this.
	Hold on.
	I know how to make friends.
	Shit's true, bro.
	What the fuck?
	Why would I be friends with her?
	Y'all want.
	Jeez, y'all.
	I mean, it's mostly you, to be honest.
	I mean, mostly been you.
	I wonder if even the pink girl shirt she left because of you could have been.
	Didn't she leave during her little spiel?
	That's it.
	Yeah, wow.
	I put fully the blame on you for pink shirt girl.
	I don't think I was talking in that time.
	Oh, yeah, you girl you're not.
	There was definitely you, though.
	A lot of things a little too much.
	Well, she's toned it down.
	Does she know what she's saying?
	No.
	That's the question.
	Wait, is it would it can we pull?
	Would it be rude to pull up that girl's Instagram again?
	Because, like, I don't know if y'all noticed.
	Yeah, I noticed.
	I don't know if y'all noticed, but have you ever seen someone in person and seen their Instagram and been like, you don't look like how you look?
	Like, the one thing?
	I agree.
	Bottom, Yeah, this is false advertising.
	No, no, no.
	Can you show it?
	Can you show it?
	Click?
	That one.
	Yeah, that one.
	Wait, other side?
	Hold up.
	I think she kind of looks like that.
	I don't know.
	Nope.
	Other side.
	She's pretty in real life.
	And on Instagram, but this is not what she looks like.
	I mean, I think X out.
	X out.
	She does look like that.
	She does look like I'm going to leave her in person and be like, you're a totally different person.
	The pinned one, the very top, at the very top.
	I think that looks like her.
	That looks like her.
	That looked like her.
	That looks like her.
	I don't think so.
	Maybe we'll see.
	I think, yes, the face has face app, and that's fine.
	It's smooth.
	But I think that's her body.
	Yeah, she's just.
	X sound of that.
	And then the one below the one in the red.
	Girl, she's kidding.
	The one that we're covering.
	I'm not talking body, just like the face.
	I think maybe y'all agree that she's a fan of the family.
	I think she's FaceTimed or done something.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, but then also the face.
	The shape of the face isn't even the same.
	I know I'm going to sound like a jerk chick right now, but am I being a chick right now talking about her?
	No, I don't know.
	I agree with that.
	The chicks disagree, so you're not being a chick.
	Wait, all the chicks agree or disagree?
	Disagree.
	They disagree with me.
	I mean, to an extent.
	She does not look like her photos at all.
	I don't think at all.
	At all is an overstatement.
	Well.
	I suppose.
	Okay, no, I don't know.
	I don't think.
	I'll take the bullet here.
	I don't think that anyone would see the girl that was sitting here today with us and go, Ewie, gross.
	No one would think that.
	She's objectively a beautiful, attractive girl.
	But if I saw that girl on Instagram, like behavior, bro.
	You know, I'm just prefacing it before I finished my sentence.
	Jesus Christ, Andrew.
	Here's the thing.
	I don't think anyone would see that girl and go, Ewie, gross, and think she's good.
	I'm not saying that.
	But if I'm not saying no, you're not.
	I'm not saying that.
	But if I messaged her on Instagram, seeing those eight pictures and she showed up, I would be pissed off because that is not the same girl.
	It's not the same.
	She's agreeing with you.
	Oh, I see it.
	Okay.
	So you're, yeah.
	I'm not saying that she's.
	That's false advertising.
	That Instagram is not what she looks like in real life.
	That's glamour.
	I didn't want to see her again.
	I didn't really look at her.
	I don't know why she's not.
	Now Andrew can comment on my simple comments.
	Jesus Christ.
	You're not a simp.
	You're just a human with common decency.
	I think my answer is not.
	Listen, the girls in the room know.
	He's a simp, right?
	No.
	Like, he's kind of a simp.
	He's not respectful.
	He's just like nice and respectful.
	And if that's simply like, that's what I don't think.
	To be a normal, decent human being, I don't think he's simply.
	Check out my post about OnlyFans on my Instagram, Andrew.
	Check out my post about women.
	See how I talk about these subjects.
	And now I was a young life leader for years.
	I grew up in church.
	You're hearing a sentence of me just trying to be reasonable and not go, you guys are whores.
	Put your twit tits away because I don't have to say.
	I didn't say any of that.
	What's that?
	I didn't say any of that.
	No, but you want me to be that guy.
	And I'm not that guy.
	I'm nice.
	I just want you to acknowledge some of the situations of reality and the situations of reality is that men and women are held to a different standard because we're not alike.
	We're not really very alike at all.
	We're completely different.
	And when you source and you say, look at my Twitter, look at my this, look at my that, nothing tells the truth about a man better than how he interacts with a person that is.
	Here's the question.
	And I've been wildly respectful with the better adults in the room.
	Political.
	We won't behave with each other than that.
	Do you have a question?
	Go ahead.
	Do you think, did you think there was like, what percentage?
	Excuse me.
	What chance did you think you had when you first walked in?
	What chance do you think you have now of being home with any of us?
	I'm not, that's not any of my goals.
	I am.
	That's what I'm saying.
	That's not really the point.
	That's what I'm saying.
	So it's kind of weird to be like, oh, like, like, what is this?
	You're saying I don't have a motive to be nice to him.
	Are you saying you want to fuck a Jeff?
	I'm saying that.
	We're also saying that Jeff is a decent human being.
	I actually ship you guys.
	Jeff, can I get this set up?
	You and that?
	Yeah, I'm just saying.
	No, but she was saying I have no motive to be able to be.
	She's 19, remember.
	I'm not trying to look good for the internet.
	I'm trying to be reasonable to the people that I'm with.
	Do you guys object?
	There is an age gap there.
	He is 40.
	I'm pretty old for these 19.
	Andrew, you can't see me, but I'm 40 years old.
	I don't think I would be afraid of being a picture.
	I didn't come in here going, I'm trolling for puss.
	You wouldn't be attracted to a Giga Chad like Andrew.
	But isn't that what a simp is?
	Is that just trying to?
	I think you're missing the point.
	She's literally making a point.
	My point is to state who you would have sex with and who you wouldn't have.
	But you're saying that he's being a simp.
	Hang on.
	This is the goal of a simp.
	I'm almost done.
	Hang on.
	My point is to say that the behavior that you are exhibiting perpetuates an ongoing societal issue.
	It's not to give a statement as to what you're going to do in the here and the now.
	It's just to say that it's this sort of mindset, which is talking about very often in the red pill community, at least the prominent issue I've listened to, which expressed that this is problematic.
	Andrews on the internet, please STF you.
	You don't even believe in morals.
	Stop lecturing.
	Someone make Blondie hold a crucifix and see if she can't.
	She will.
	She will burn him.
	That's very funny.
	Andrew.
	Thank you, Nickelodeon.
	The only reason I'm referencing that is because it would be pretty silly for me to go on a tirade about how I feel about these subjects.
	I was just saying, but check out the video that I have that has like millions and millions of views of women getting mad at me for me saying women are different than us and they are held to a different standard.
	And in fact, my favorite thing about a woman, my favorite thing about women, is that they're not men.
	Stop pretending to be us.
	We're fucking dudes rule.
	Women rule, but we're different.
	I'm not trying to do all these bits.
	What I was saying is weird, but this is a really weird thing to say that we're different, but the very first thing you do is you hold yourself to the same standard and hold men to the same standard you hold women to.
	And that, if you knew and you understood that we're different, you wouldn't hold that same standard because we value different things.
	That's my whole point.
	Notice how we let you finish.
	I think almost every single time you let them get halfway and then you're like, oh, they haven't explained it yet.
	Is the perfect opportunity for me to start talking before they're able to explain why their point is.
	I've talked a lot less than you have.
	But I didn't interrupt you.
	Okay, let's move off from this topic.
	I have perhaps a light-hearted thing that can lightheart.
	So, to the panel, starting with you.
	Okay.
	If you had to choose, would you rather your boyfriend cheat on you with a girl who is hotter or uglier than you?
	Wait, would I rather my boyfriend cheat on someone hotter or uglier?
	Cheat on you?
	Cheat on you with someone who is hotter or uglier than you.
	Which one?
	I mean, I wouldn't prefer them to cheat on me regardless.
	If you had to pick, would it probably uglier?
	What'll piss you off more?
	Oh, what would piss me off more?
	Prettier, obviously, because it's an ego thing.
	Okay.
	I'd be devastated if she was prettier than me.
	Yeah.
	If she was prettier than me, I'd be like, eeek.
	Hurt my eagle.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	How ugly.
	I mean, you know, because of that.
	Average ugly.
	If like my boyfriend was like, I thought this person was good enough and I also think you're good enough, I'd be like, you don't know how to make decisions.
	You know?
	So if it's like a four or lower, I'd be like, prettier.
	Because at least he has good taste.
	Word.
	Mia.
	Fuck.
	I'm going to say I feel more upset.
	Okay.
	You'd be if.
	If she was uglier, solely because I'd assume that if you're cheating, you're doing it because there's an advantage other than obviously the sucks.
	I was like, oh, like, if I'm going to cheat, might as well have somebody that's prettier.
	I don't know.
	Word.
	Okay.
	Let me see.
	Oh, what if they look just like you?
	Perfect.
	Would that piss you off?
	They got a different person that looks exactly like you.
	Like, what if she was Latina, but she was 5'2?
	Like, wait, what the hell?
	I look like that.
	And you're like, yeah, she's got a better personality.
	She was 5'2 ⁇ .
	She's an inch taller.
	An inch taller than you.
	No, that would probably be fun.
	If she looks like me, I guess there's confusion for a reason.
	Sav, right?
	Sav.
	You have.
	I wanted to ask about your Instagram bio.
	You have crime.
	Yeah, because a lot of people are confused with my language.
	What does that mean?
	So a lot of people are confused with the way that I spell my Instagram name because it's C-C-R-Y-M-E.
	So a lot of people think it's crimey, but it's really pronounced crime.
	That's why I have it.
	Oh, that's just you're okay.
	And you also have a crime tattoo, correct?
	Just for my Instagram.
	And so is that like a pseudonym or whatever?
	No.
	Honestly, the only reason why I have that Instagram name is because one of my best friends honestly came up with it because a while ago I was trying to figure out what name I should go by and he was like, oh, crime is cool.
	They'll spell it differently.
	And I was like, all right.
	So I just stuck with it.
	And you do OnlyFans, correct?
	Yeah.
	You do boy girl.
	What kind of content do you do?
	I sometimes make content with the man that I'm like seeing, but usually it's just content by myself.
	Okay, but you have done boy, boy, girl content with multiple people or just one?
	Oh, just one?
	Okay.
	I see.
	Athena, did you want to tell us about the influencers?
	Or no, no, no.
	I think you didn't, right?
	If I recall.
	You didn't want to talk about it.
	But the reason is, like, they threesomes.
	Sorry, sorry.
	Keep going.
	Like, just to respect their privacy.
	And those kind of people are very, like, they're very used to people talking about it.
	You know, so they extra annoying for them.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Interesting.
	They're not crazy, like, famous.
	It's not like something crazy.
	Good shit.
	It's not like Drake.
	But like, I knew people that knew them.
	I didn't know them.
	And then one of my friends was like, oh, my God, really?
	And I was like, they're like a little.
	Okay.
	Word.
	Oh, no, it was the girl in pink who had the celebrity.
	Yeah.
	I don't believe any beef.
	Any of that.
	You don't think so?
	No, because she backpedaled everything she would say.
	Did you notice that she's like, well, I was drunk?
	I'm sorry not to cut him, but didn't you say that she deleted a message?
	Oh, yeah, what was the message?
	That's what I was so confused about.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	She, there was like a, because she said she was traditional, and I saw a photo on her Instagram that was like super traditional.
	Super traditional, right?
	And then, but when I went to look at it, I guess she archived it because she had changed it or something.
	There's only eight posts.
	I thought that was interesting.
	The day before you go on the whatever podcast, you only have eight posts.
	That's what I was alluding to.
	Actually, you could hide all the way to the bottom.
	I think we saved it.
	Nick, if you go into the podcast folder, Dropbox podcast, thumbnails, thumbs, go to 126.
	I think we have it.
	I'll tell you what the number is.
	We'll find you.
	Guys, we are going to find you this photo.
	Can't hoodwink us.
	We, because I'm not, maybe it was in one of her other, I don't know.
	Podcast and then.
	Thumbs, 126.
	Oh, and we need to react to the thumbnail.
	Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Let me know when you get into the folder, okay?
	Okay, I'm in the folder.
	Okay.
	So it's two six.
	Two.
	I'm pretty sure this was one of her.
	could have been in one of her other uh but i'm pretty sure this was so this was on her instagram i I don't.
	Listen.
	Not making a commentary on this.
	I just don't know if it's all that traditional.
	And it doesn't look like her, which I did.
	It's in water.
	It doesn't count.
	It doesn't look like her.
	The water?
	If it's in water, it doesn't count.
	Or if it's next to you.
	Zero fucking tragic.
	That's pretty funny.
	Because that's what you wear when you're in water.
	Here, let's pull the chat.
	Chat.
	Is that traditional?
	No.
	I don't.
	It's not traditional.
	I think it's funny, but I don't agree.
	We have an expert witness, Andrew Wilson of the Crucible.
	What is your verdict?
	Traditional or not traditional?
	Did you see the fact?
	I couldn't imagine something being further from, well, I could.
	Did you see the photo?
	Yeah, it's pretty far from traditional.
	Pretty far from traditional.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And then, oh, we have to react to the thumbnail.
	So, Nick, can you pull up the thumbnail?
	It's on one of the tabs.
	I already put it on one of the tabs.
	What's it?
	304?
	I like that the chat has their own little community.
	They're like responding to each other.
	304 is an area code.
	That's pretty funny.
	But which area?
	Can you make us the smallest, I guess?
	So this is the thumbnail.
	Unfortunately, the girl in the middle could not make it on the show.
	So I guess.
	Wait, is that you?
	Me on both sides.
	That's her on both sides.
	On both sides?
	On both sides.
	She got double.
	Okay.
	The girl in the middle wasn't here.
	So I got to ask the chat a question.
	We're going to react.
	We're doing a reaction to her photo.
	First off chat.
	Would you date a girl with a septum piercing?
	That's question one.
	It's a septum piercing.
	It's the piercing she has.
	Would you date a girl with...
	Are we talking about the middle or are we talking about...
	The middle.
	The middle.
	I mean, you have a septum piercing, too, so I'm not trying to throw shots or whatever.
	Would you?
	And then she looks like a nice girl, you know, but I'm just curious.
	I'm asking the chat, would you date a girl who has a septum piercing?
	And what about the, you know, there's the hair, the colored hair.
	It's a look.
	Which is surprising.
	Also, not to mention, I think y'all edited the thumbnail because my mom's not fully green.
	Oh, yeah, we do.
	We do a little touch-up.
	We like to touch it up.
	You know, we boost the highlights and whatnot.
	So, yeah, we do a little touching up there.
	But, you know, listen, don't know the girl.
	She seems nice.
	But I don't know, the sometimes, you know, a bit of color in the hair might be.
	What's that thing in the animal kingdom?
	Brightly colored animals.
	Danger.
	What about peacocks?
	That's flamingos.
	I do think the chat just hit on something interesting.
	He's like, I'd smash, but I wouldn't date.
	And I think that modern women have a real trouble with this mindset of men.
	Is that there is a billion types of women that I'm like, yeah, definitely would fuck her.
	We think of that thing, but then we're like, we're not going to go out with her or introduce her to our family.
	Because sex is this thing, you know?
	We fucking like it.
	And then sometimes people confuse that.
	Like, well, he fucked me.
	And you're like, yeah, but I'm not going to like.
	So.
	Yeah.
	Women always want to touch on that one because the septum piercings mean they do anal.
	I've never done anal.
	That's a funny comment, though.
	Septum means they do anal.
	It's very funny.
	Well, sir.
	You are missing out.
	Very funny.
	I think septum piercings usually mean have a good relationship with your father.
	Jesus.
	Oh my God.
	That's actually so crazy because my dad is like super cool and we're super chill.
	Do you have a friend and my mom?
	I'm talking about piercings in general, but I'm talking about the relationship between your parents and piercings.
	Me and my mom got drunk and got belly button piercings together.
	That's crazy.
	But we're chill.
	Like they're lucky.
	Hello.
	Hello, what?
	I love her, hella.
	Love hella?
	I would smash the girl with green hair, but not so good.
	It's funny that you say that because both of the pictures were me.
	Are you from SoCo or I was born here?
	Then I moved for most of my life and then I came back.
	You moved where?
	So I was born in the Valley and then I moved to San Francisco and then back.
	That's why I said hella.
	Can I ask something really?
	You can totally see it.
	Sure.
	Did something really traumatic.
	Hey, I'm asking.
	You don't have to answer.
	It's in the rules to not talk about.
	It kind of was.
	Was it?
	Wait, traumatic?
	No trauma dumping.
	No, no, no.
	It's not trauma dump.
	I'm not answering.
	You want a yes or no answer from her?
	Is that my God?
	Why don't you tell us?
	Why don't you tell us?
	Psychoanalyze me.
	Actually, I don't want it.
	I'm just asking.
	I'm just asking.
	Well, but also to like find that's an interesting science experiment right there.
	Did something bad happen to you?
	Oh, that explains it.
	Yeah, you know what?
	That would qualify as every human that's ever lived is having something bad that happened.
	When you leave it that vague, when you were young, did something unusual happen that wasn't a perfect conservative feminine?
	I was a perfect life.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Oh, hello.
	Look at me.
	I don't have a product of an very imperfect life.
	I got a question.
	You could still look at commonalities of bad things that happen to people, which are similar that lead to behavior, right?
	Yes.
	But when you leave it as open-ended, it's like, did anything bad happen to you when you were young to justify how someone reacted to a septum deviated?
	The vast majority of women are clinically reckless, actually.
	Just the reality is the vast majority of women engaging in any sort of sex work have been assaulted somewhere along the line of this earlier.
	I know, but I'm just saying.
	That wasn't even my question, really.
	That was my point.
	Yeah, but I wanted to finish the exchange, if you don't mind.
	Google Go.
	So I was just going to ask to Jeff, do you think when you think of a nose ring on a woman, especially the one that goes through both nostrils and hangs down, do you attribute that with class?
	And do you attribute that with status?
	I don't like it.
	Or do you attribute that with low class and trashy?
	I think it's trashy.
	Yeah, I mean, like, I think she's a beautiful girl, but I would never, because of the way she presents.
	There was a love thing.
	I like her.
	No, I like her a lot.
	And I would also assume that she's probably not into guys that dress like this.
	You don't know them.
	I don't know that.
	But it's my presumption.
	Like, when I see a girl, like, covered in tattoos, I'm always like, she's not going to like me.
	But I am attracted to her.
	But you're right.
	I do think of it as a thing.
	Like, if I brought a girl that was wearing all these piercings and had a lot of stuff to, like, you know, a Thanksgiving or a Christmas.
	Can I feel like I'd have to explain it?
	And I would have some sort of opinion about it.
	Oh, she's.
	But I actually, I have a experience.
	Now, what's interesting about that, Jeff.
	I'm just going to go.
	Sorry, I just want to finish the exchange real quick.
	I would classify that.
	If you're looking at men, though, who have a lot of tattoos, I don't attribute that to them being trashy.
	I do.
	I do.
	And so does a lot of other countries.
	A lot of other countries see tattoos as kind of poor or trash.
	Yeah, yeah, but we're talking about this.
	Okay, yeah, for me.
	I guess I just don't think of men much in the same way that I would.
	Like, every time I'm looking at a woman, I think, like, oh, like, I have a motive sexually or like even relationshiply or emotionally, that I just don't think of men like that.
	But I guess, yeah, I think I do put them as kind of trashy.
	But I also think that's what I'm saying.
	So I would understand maybe if you had the tribal tattoo that goes up the neck that people can see or face tattoos or things like that.
	But generally speaking, there's a lot of men, especially men who are in the service, who get tattoos and they get a lot of tattoos.
	And I don't tend to attribute that with being low class or trashy the same way that I do with women.
	Why?
	I think that's true.
	Because I don't like masculine qualities on women, and tattoos are pretty masculine, maybe not hers particularly.
	But if I did see the same type of like Samoan arm, like The Rock has, like, even on a hot fit chick, if the tattoo was done equally as well, I would go, ugh.
	Like in my mind, my instinct would be sexually or like looking at her going, ugh.
	But it wouldn't do that to The Rock.
	So I guess you're right.
	But again, I just haven't spent much time thinking about how I feel about men with tattoos.
	That makes it sound like it's not about anything real.
	It's just about your attraction to them.
	If you think about it, like women act like women.
	And my idea of that.
	I mean, everyone has different opinions.
	That's just my attraction.
	I have.
	I wanted to say something.
	So let's.
	I just like, I basically, like, to touch on what you were saying, like, how you were saying you would, you feel like if you brought a woman around, like, say, that has piercings, tattoos, like, whatever, you feel like you would have to explain it.
	But personally, like, I've been in situations where I've dated a man that was, let's say, conservative.
	Like, he's very, like, his parents go to church.
	They're very religious.
	Like, they're very against tattoos, piercings, everything.
	But they have loved me because I am a good person.
	That's how I feel about this whole table.
	I have opinions about these things.
	Yeah.
	And everyone has opinions.
	And I would treat you as an adult.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	And that's fine.
	Your opinion.
	He was asking how I felt about it.
	Like, if it was like a potential partner or maybe looking at someone, probably not.
	All right.
	Got to move on, guys.
	Let me read one chat really quick.
	Then we have to pull up a couple things.
	Then we're going to try to wrap fairly soon.
	Seaberg, I think men, women find discipline and integrity as attractive traits.
	Men with these traits are likely able to sleep with more women.
	Women that sleep around due to ease shows a lack of these traits.
	Disagree.
	Yeah, body count matters, honestly.
	It does.
	No hymen, no diamond.
	Like virgins only, to be honest.
	Virgins only?
	No, so sorry.
	Okay, I'm being hyperbolic.
	Okay.
	Strong preference.
	Like, if she's a like, the lower the body count, the better.
	Yes.
	With a virgin being, like, the most optimal dating choice when it comes to body count.
	You said you were married, right?
	What?
	No.
	Wait, why not?
	Are you single?
	No, that's not like an attack.
	Like, are you singing?
	I can't talk about it.
	Oh, yeah, you can't talk about it.
	Sorry.
	Because of, okay, I don't want to get into details.
	No, you don't.
	But let me just say for security, for security reasons, I just, there's a situation.
	I can't talk about it.
	Okay.
	I can tell you after the show, but I just legitimately.
	I was just trying to have a conversation.
	That's it.
	What's that?
	Tattoos and piercings.
	You like that?
	I prefer.
	We're the only guy.
	It's not a deal.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So tattoos and piercing, it depends on the piercings and the tattoos, obviously.
	It's not a deal breaker, but would my preference be no tattoos?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Would my preference, it'd be a spectrum, like the, if she has a little heart on her ankle, like I don't know.
	Right, right, right, yeah.
	There's lots of different types of a ton of.
	Yeah, well, this was kind of the point I was trying to tie in.
	I think, again, that the viewpoint is different between men and women on this.
	So I was saying, I don't think that women necessarily attribute men having tattoos as being a thing where they classify them the same way that we do them.
	That's the point.
	Yeah.
	True.
	True.
	I don't think any guy has ever thought, man, I really wish this girl just had more tattoos.
	Yeah.
	I disagree.
	You think so?
	I mean, there's some, there's fetishism and shit, but like, I don't think.
	Again, they're going to be pedantic and be like, who said all?
	Okay.
	Right, right, right.
	For the most part, absent outliers, probably most men don't think.
	If only she had more tattoos.
	You're right.
	You're free to get them.
	Nothing is all.
	You're free to get them.
	And I think, well, that's because men and women are just attracted to different things.
	Yeah.
	Also, yeah, I don't like, this is going to sound terrible.
	But like, when I look at a chick, I don't go, man.
	I like her.
	She's badass.
	Like, I don't really value badassness in no woman.
	I want her to be little and cute and fun and sexy.
	I agree.
	I liked my green hair better, too.
	I don't like the, like, I don't think to myself, what a, I bet she could knock a guy out.
	And look how she probably rides a motorcycle.
	I just don't like those things personally in a woman.
	So.
	You don't want a girl to go on a motorcycle with you?
	Not really.
	That's pretty crazy.
	Have you seen it?
	Well, that's just me.
	That's cool.
	Then when they're like the Instagram videos and they're like writing and their back's all arched and they're wearing like a cute outfit.
	I love those.
	Well, they're probably a hot chick, so that part I like, but the rest of it doesn't.
	I'm not going, what a badass.
	Like, I don't like, that is nothing.
	When I see like Angelina Jolie is like Tomb Raider, I'm not going, holy crap.
	She can shoot guns and jump over cliffs.
	I just like, I like a woman.
	Let's pull up the tweets.
	We have some tweets from Sav here.
	Wait, make it bigger, Oh, that's me.
	That's you.
	All right.
	Can you make it bigger?
	You guys didn't say that every day.
	Bigger.
	Bigger?
	Which one's men continue to show every day why they don't deserve to live.
	What's that about?
	What's that about?
	Wait, I didn't even read the tweet.
	I honestly thought.
	Oh, I mean, the other stuff doesn't really matter.
	It's a hyperbole.
	Is it hyperbole?
	I honestly was joking.
	To be honest, it was clickbait.
	Didn't work clearly.
	But I didn't read the tweet, honestly.
	Okay.
	What's the other one you know, but whatever Oh, can we not talk about it?
	Oh, wait, scroll down.
	He's a piece of shit just like every other man in the world.
	I don't know.
	I don't care about the guy, but every other man in the world is a piece of shit.
	That was very hard.
	Yeah.
	Can we not talk about him?
	Oh, I don't want to talk about him.
	I'm more so just focusing, zeroing in on the, like, every other man in the world.
	Yeah, but that was also 2021.
	That was, what, three years ago?
	Yeah, why, though?
	Why did you say that?
	Because I was very hurt with that relationship, and he honestly was a really horrible human being.
	But why do you got involved with all the other dudes?
	I shouldn't have, and that's what I'm trying to get at, is that it was immature, and that was like three years ago, and I've grown.
	And I've realized that not every person is like that.
	When you're in the moment and something happens, and you kind of notice a, or you don't notice a pattern with yourself where you like someone for the wrong reasons and your priorities aren't right, so you keep choosing people that are going to do bad things to you.
	You don't really realize you're doing that in the moment.
	You're kind of just accepting the love that you think you deserve.
	So then you, like, when you're in, when you're fresh in it and something bad happens to you, you're kind of like, I can't believe they're like this.
	I can't believe they would hurt me.
	It's not, it's not every single man.
	It's not.
	You know, but if you put yourself in a position where you're in that pattern and you don't realize it, you can say something that doesn't mean it's right.
	Yeah.
	But that's an explanation of why it might have happened.
	I don't think all men are trash.
	I've met very amazing men.
	What is the rest of the table?
	I agree.
	I mean, I've all men trash?
	No.
	What is this?
	I get one?
	I'm asking you.
	What?
	What?
	A handshake?
	He's asking you.
	What?
	What are you doing?
	What are you doing?
	I'm pointing at you.
	Do you think all men?
	I got excited.
	I mean, she kind of disagreed with everyone by saying, Not all men are horrible.
	Yeah.
	That was my whole point.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That's progress for this podcast.
	There you go.
	Men aren't, all men aren't dark.
	Do we agree on that?
	There you go.
	We're doing.
	You can't always get that.
	I've seen your episodes.
	I've seen other episodes.
	You can't get all of them to say that.
	That's a good point, Jeff.
	We're making progress here.
	We are making progress.
	We have some TikToks from Velve here.
	Let's get those.
	Oh, great.
	Oh, boy.
	Here comes the toxicity.
	She's trad.
	Yes.
	Started from the beginning.
	I love this video.
	She's bouncing on her seat.
	She's so excited.
	I love this video.
	Attention.
	Hey, this is in response to this girl by the name of Lil Chili or something that stitched one of my videos.
	I couldn't respond to her because I don't know if she did that on purpose or that was TikTok's fault.
	But here's my response, lady.
	I hate sex work.
	You know, I actually used to engage in sex work.
	A little background story.
	I used to be a severe alcoholic.
	I dropped out of college.
	I lost my full ride.
	I was hospitalized twice and I couldn't keep a job.
	And so, out of pure desperation, I turned to sex work.
	I don't like to go into detail about this time in my life because it truly was very traumatizing.
	But I will say this: taking blazingly hot showers and crying, trying to get the old crust off of you is something appetizing and it certainly is not worth the money.
	But I found myself tricking myself into believing that what I was doing was actually incredibly empowering and that I was using the men for his money and taking it.
	The fact of the matter is that they were actually using me.
	They were using my innocence.
	They were using my childhood trauma.
	They were using my vulnerability to make themselves orgasm.
	Money was nothing to them, and they knew it was everything to me.
	And they themselves ended up capitalizing off of that.
	That sounds like zero accountability to me.
	Yeah.
	But you're saying it in the point that you can get 100%.
	That was what about the men, though.
	Yeah.
	And also the men did this to me.
	It was men's fault.
	They were capitalizing on my bad decisions.
	The fact that I was drunk, the fact that I couldn't hold a job, the fact that I was kind of a piece of shit.
	And men took advantage of that.
	It definitely sounds like you're kind of moving the goal over to this is men's fault.
	And it was in the cadence of gotcha.
	You were like, here's why, lady, that I could, but was like, but all well, not being a gotcha.
	100%.
	Yeah, so can you give us the actual story here without the snark?
	Like, tell us the truth.
	Do you blame men for the fact that you were a sex worker?
	Not necessarily.
	I think I take equal blame.
	I think that I was at a place where I was at such a level of desperation.
	Everyone around me was telling me, like, dude, this is quick, easy, it's fast money, and it will get you by.
	And I was under the illusion.
	This is at an era of time where we were not talking against sex work.
	This is a very weird time in like 2019, 2018, excuse me, 2017, 2018, where sex work was a very positive thing.
	So this is me thinking, okay, so I'm going to make easy money, quick money, and it's going to get me by.
	And no, I'm not blaming men at all, but I think.
	That's literally what you did in the video.
	Yeah, I mean, you did.
	How much of the responsibility is yours?
	Wouldn't you say that the responsibility is 100% yours?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I do think so, but I also do think that there is a how do I say it?
	There's an environment in where like men create that we like enter that we can like actually like engage you know what I mean?
	It's like blaming the Jones.
	But look really good.
	But look, there's demand out there, but watch.
	Like, if I was a chick, right?
	That's all you, like, you don't, you just don't do it.
	Like, that's it.
	Isn't it hypocritical for a kind of women?
	I was previously saying with the essay commentary and conversation that if you put yourself in the position, then you're 100%.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	But I completely want to say that.
	She completely takes her responsibility.
	She wants to be on the winning side, just like Andrew said.
	Yeah, you actually can't hold this position very well.
	So you can't say, yeah, it's 100% my fault, but that would be not 100% your fault.
	That would be like, I think it's 80% my fault, but there was an environment which was fostered by X and X.
	So is it 100% you or isn't it?
	With no other qualifiers.
	Is it yes or no 100% the fault of you that you engaged in prostitution or not?
	Well, it was 100% at my own free will, yeah.
	That's not my question.
	I asked.
	Then what's the question?
	Is it a hyperlink?
	Yes, yes, it's me.
	It's 100% me.
	Okay.
	So you just like say whatever, we'll get sorry.
	Hold on.
	You were hospitalized.
	You said you were hospitalized twice for, may I ask for what?
	Yeah, alcoholism.
	For overdosing.
	Oh, okay.
	Hospitalized for alcoholism.
	I thought the way you said it in the video, perhaps I misread it.
	It sounded like you were committed or something.
	No.
	For like a psychiatric commitment.
	Like I was hospitalized.
	Overdose.
	Overdose on Adderall and cocaine.
	Cocaine.
	Adderall, cocaine.
	And then the other one was for, I completely overdosed.
	Alcohol too?
	Was the last one was alcohol fruit fit.
	Was there cocaine or Adderall involved?
	I don't think on the second time, no.
	Is that a speedball?
	I think a speedball is when it has heroin.
	You engaged in these things before the sex work.
	For Peter Griffin?
	Yeah.
	I'm trying to think.
	I think it was so...
	I think it was before then, and I think once I got super involved...
	Reniculodion donated $200.
	It's them men taking advantage of me.
	It's the alcohol.
	It's the women telling me to get into the work.
	Okay, it's all my fault.
	I am God.
	Yeah, that's ridiculous.
	It's so ridiculous.
	I agree with that.
	But, you know, to kind of move back into this, I'm wondering, did you get into all of this drugs, alcohol, and all these different things before you did the sex work?
	No, I feel, I think it was a bit of a combination effect.
	I think I couldn't keep a job because I was having an issue with drugs and alcohol.
	And then once I was so desperate for money and I resorted to doing sex work, I think it snowballed and only worsened because it's a co-op.
	Okay, so then the addiction to these things was pre-sex work.
	So then what happened here in order of events?
	Well, it wasn't.
	Tell me if I'm wrong here.
	Go ahead.
	But what happened was you were unable to hold a job due to the fact that you were an addict.
	Yeah.
	And so in order to get easy money, you turned to sex work.
	That's what actually happened.
	So that is, without a doubt, 100% on you.
	Yeah.
	I think I'll say this.
	Can I keep going?
	No, I'll keep going.
	Okay.
	I think this is what I'll say to that.
	I think that there was a problem.
	And I think that definitely the sex work expedited everything of all my issues that I was having.
	It worsened my, it was the way of coping with everything.
	1,000%.
	Yeah, sure.
	But the move into sex work, that was all due to you and your own addictive behaviors, which then led you to this because you couldn't hold the job, right?
	Yes.
	Yeah, so then that would be your fault still.
	So you could say the sex work exacerbated already existing problems.
	Yes.
	And I would agree that that's likely true.
	Yeah.
	But you're definitely the person who's responsible ultimately for these actions, yeah?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	We're going to pull up the next video here.
	Hold on.
	I just need to double-check the other task.
	What was the other thing we need to pull up then?
	I'm sorry, guys, one sec.
	You might have to do this last.
	Okay, we might do that one more time.
	Robots.
	It's a robot.
	Hello.
	Oh.
	I love the comment.
	Not only are they not superior, they're also all pedophiles.
	Oh!
	T.
	Yes.
	That's kind of.
	I take offense to that.
	Yeah.
	You would actually dating a 19-year-old.
	What?
	What?
	Where did you hear this?
	You said it on the previous podcast.
	I never, you've put a lot of words in my mouth.
	I've never disclosed anything related to my 19 wouldn't count as pedophile either.
	No.
	And by the way, can you actually make a moral argument against that?
	Because you brought it up multiple times.
	Why don't you actually make a moral argument for why that would be wrong, even if he did?
	Even assuming he did, make a single moral argument for how that would be wrong or how that would make him a pedophile.
	No, it would not.
	How?
	That's what I'm saying.
	It could be wrong without making him a pedophile.
	Can we avoid that?
	Okay, but how is it immoral?
	Being a 34-year-old man dating an 18-year-old.
	Yeah, now don't restate the question.
	Just answer the question.
	How is it immoral, even if he did do that?
	Immoral, I think it's just too vague, too nuanced.
	No.
	You don't know what moral means?
	I do know what moral means, but then how would it be immoral?
	You clearly had a position against it.
	You've brought it up multiple times.
	Yeah, I think it's a good idea.
	That's why I'm defending it.
	I think it's weird, but I think that I think you're going all this black and white.
	For me personally, I think it's a good idea.
	Well, wait, morality is black or white.
	It's either moral or it's not moral.
	It's not in between.
	There's no nuance.
	It's not.
	You know, exactly morality is completely subjective.
	Would you object to that?
	No, wait, wait.
	Hang on, back up.
	If morality is completely subjective, then all you would be stating here is a subjective opinion as to whether or not it was immoral what Brian did anyway, right?
	A lot of the opinions stated tonight are subjective.
	That's like what an opinion is.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, okay, which is why I asked for a moral argument, and she says morality is subjective.
	Right.
	Yes.
	So if morality is subjective, then you couldn't actually say that even if Brian was dating a 19-year-old, that that would be objectively immoral, correct?
	There's no such thing as anything being objective when it comes to morality.
	You clearly have opinions about that.
	I disagree, but whether or not that's true, you would still say that there's nothing objectively immoral about that, right?
	Yeah, we can go back to that.
	We're just like harping on it, but yeah, I think it's weird.
	Okay, great.
	Now let's move into the subjective portion.
	What, even from your position of subjective morality, would make it immoral for him to date a 19-year-old?
	There's nothing that I can imagine as a man that you would look at as an 18-year-old at your age with the experience that you've had that would make that not be strange.
	Oh, really?
	So you don't think that a man who was looking for fertility in a woman, would he go for a younger woman or an older one?
	God, see, that's when I'm all like, you guys are all pedophiles.
	You guys are all so fucking crushed.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	You believe in evolution, do you not?
	Here we go.
	This girl's insane.
	This is what I'm saying.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	No, answer the question.
	Do you believe in evolution?
	Wait, what?
	She's God, so she created evolution.
	Go ahead with your point.
	If you believed in evolution, then you would say that there would be an evolutionary mechanism inside of men where they would go for women who are more fertile because the more fertile women would, of course, create more offspring.
	Can I talk about that?
	So, why is it that if a 40-year-old man went even for a 19-year-old girl, that that wouldn't make sense from an evolutionary standpoint?
	From your subjective morality, what could possibly be wrong with that?
	That's fucking disposed to be.
	Two things.
	Two things.
	Yeah, just don't give me the fucking.
	I will give you the fucking answer.
	Hold on.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	Athena has something to say.
	Go ahead, Athena.
	You know what else is evolutionary?
	Rape.
	Every other species does it.
	Can you just say essay?
	Sorry.
	My bad.
	I'm sorry.
	You said two things.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	This is the first thing.
	SA, like, before we had society, how did we reproduce?
	What?
	We still utilize what's called sexual intercourse.
	Isn't that amazing?
	What?
	Animals do it.
	Like, they're right.
	Animals also have sexual intercourse.
	Isn't that crazy?
	What?
	We also used to kill each other all the time.
	There's a bunch of immoral women.
	We still do that.
	Yeah, and it's still not moral.
	But I'm just saying.
	It's just bad, right?
	I'm just saying, just because it's not.
	But you can't even describe what is bad.
	I just said subjectively.
	Can I get to my point?
	I'm just saying.
	I'm going to get to your point.
	There are things that in the past that were pre-societal that now we still do.
	Just because we did it a thousand years ago does not make it moral.
	Perfect.
	So if that's true and it's not moral, then give me the moral argument against it outside of you just don't prefer it.
	I was going to do that next, and then you then do it.
	Okay.
	So if a 34-year-old is dating an 18-year-old, that 18-year-old doesn't have any maturity, doesn't know anything, has no frame of reference around the world.
	They're not in a good place in their life.
	They probably aren't successful or as successful as they would be later.
	The dating pool is objectively way less far in their career.
	So you just, in every way, other than sexual preference, there's nothing about an 18-year-old that is attractive other than sexual preference.
	So for the argument for how that's immoral yet, are you ever going to get to the point?
	So when should we let them choose?
	Should I keep talking?
	Herroneous.
	Could I keep talking about that?
	Well, are you ever going to get to the actual point?
	How is it immoral?
	Give me a question.
	Stop interrupting me.
	Don't restate all the conditions which it exists under.
	Tell me the argument for how it's immoral.
	Can I?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Please.
	So for a man to be dating someone with only sexual preference in mind, and for a woman to not know that and be dating them and like their personality and want to be around them, it's kind of weird for a man to be okay with this person having this like emotional connection to them.
	Well, I'm not saying it's disgusting.
	I'm not saying.
	Are you going to get to the part where it's immoral ever?
	Okay, just.
	But why are you assuming that that's the case?
	That an older guy.
	Hang on, hang on, Brian.
	Just real quick.
	Can you give me an actual argument for the immorality or not?
	You just keep restating the conditions.
	I don't care about the conditions.
	Why is it immoral?
	To me, that's immoral.
	If it's not to you, then we have a different moral compass, which is a moral.
	Okay, so to you, it's immoral.
	So it's immoral because it's immoral because it's immoral.
	Can you give me the actual argument for why it's immoral?
	Or are you just going to keep restating the conditions in your preferences?
	Give me the argument for why it's immoral.
	Andrew, when you have a moment when we're done with this, I do have a question directly to you.
	Thank you for that.
	Okay, you're going to answer my question.
	Sorry.
	Or are you just going to say that you don't have an argument for why it's immoral?
	Just take the other.
	I explained my argument.
	We can disagree.
	There was no argument.
	You never made an argument.
	All you did was give me a sequence of conditions in which it could happen.
	Okay, fine.
	I can see all those conditions.
	How is it immoral?
	Give me the argument.
	You can say that about any argument.
	That's a fake argument because you could really say that about anything that's been said.
	Oh, you just gave me conditions.
	Give me an argument.
	I can give you an argument.
	I'll give it to anyone just to be like, I don't think I would do that.
	You can say, I'll give you an argument.
	By the way, by the way.
	This is coming from a girl who at 18 willingly dated a 30-year-old billionaire.
	I don't object to you dating a 30-year-old, but it's incredibly convenient for you to say that, oh, it's wrong for an older guy to date a younger woman.
	Bear in mind.
	I'm wrong for an older woman to date a younger man too.
	That should be mentioned.
	I don't think either is wrong.
	I don't think either is wrong.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	Without stating a preference or conditions that you just don't want, without restating the conditions, can you actually give me an argument?
	And the contrary to this is you can ask me a moral question and I will give you an argument from the perception of my morality for why something is wrong or right.
	Can you actually tell me why this is immoral outside of stating the conditions?
	I don't care about the conditions.
	Why is it immoral?
	Because if you're letting someone think you love them and you don't love them.
	What?
	But that's another condition you're adding on top of it.
	Like, what if a 30-year-old guy says at the same maturity level, it'd be fine.
	Sometimes it's a.
	At the maturity level.
	Yeah.
	Sometimes it's okay.
	I'm not saying every single time.
	But is it the only generalized?
	Do you think that men and boys your age are immature?
	Yeah.
	Sometimes.
	That's a general question, too.
	Checkmate.
	You've just lost the argument.
	You've just lost the argument.
	Because if it's the case that you view men that are your age as immature, by default, then you must pair up with and partner with men who are older than you because you view them as more mature.
	I think that I'm immature.
	But do you think you're more.
	But do you think you're more mature?
	You can't generalize that shit.
	Do you think you're such a disparity with ages?
	But it's a common trope I hear from women that men my age, they're so immature, blah, blah, blah.
	Like, it takes two to tango.
	It's just an opportunity, a higher opportunity being aware of that.
	Women also tend to date and find men who are older, whether it's one, even one or two or three years, more attractive.
	It's just the opportunity for us a question.
	But it's literally, no, no, no.
	It's literally hypocritical because it's okay for you to date a guy who's 30 when you're 18 because he's a billionaire.
	Don't you think it's something attractive about a guy having his shit together?
	Yeah.
	Like just a guy like, oh my gosh, this guy's got a whole home or it's clean.
	Or he actually is like, he replies right away without being drunk at some frat party.
	But there are advantages to dating an older man that you might find attractive.
	Maybe you don't.
	So you'd have like a reason.
	There's multiple variants of why you might like an older man, and there's multiple variants of why a man might like a younger woman.
	Also, if you're going to say that he's wrong for doing a thing, you should be able to tell him why it's wrong.
	You've been wanting to say something.
	Into the mic, please.
	Sorry, I'm not on, I'm not necessarily going to stand with her side, but I understand where she's saying it's immoral.
	It's immoral technically because if there is an intention with advantage, the advantage would be I'm sleeping with the younger girl.
	I can convince her and pursue her to have sex with me, possibly be her first partner, if not one of very few.
	Because she thinks that I'm cooler.
	And because I can convince her that I'm better than, or I can teach her things, quote unquote, which a lot of men do say.
	Multiple people.
	For skull.
	All these things.
	That's what she's doing.
	Yes, but we don't want to date a woman like you who's combative and argumentative and hyper-masculine.
	You're super set in your ways.
	Yes, of course.
	We do want to date pleasant women.
	Heaven forbid a man wants to date a pleasant woman, a woman who hasn't had a shit ton of trouble and who has a shit ton of baggage from previous relationships.
	One question to you, to both of you and Andrew, let me ask you this.
	And to anybody who's watching, I'm genuinely so curious.
	I'm going to present you a situation.
	If there's a situation where there is a gorgeous, beautiful, kind, sweet, innocent virgin, she's 15 years old.
	No, no, no, no.
	Let me ask.
	She's 15.
	No, I'm not going to even entertain that bullshit fucking question.
	Why?
	Because we are talking about.
	Why?
	Why?
	Why is it?
	Why is that?
	That's so crazy.
	Why is it guided by law?
	What's wrong with you?
	It's wrong with 15 years.
	You can't get 18 and you said that.
	We're talking about adults.
	So what's adult now?
	18 is a.
	Yes, that's what the law has to say.
	That's what the law says.
	But I'm just like, well, don't you want fertile peak fertility?
	What?
	What?
	I like women who are.
	No, no, no.
	Shut up.
	I like women.
	Shut up.
	Shut up.
	Just admit you would fuck a 15-year-old.
	Oh, hold on.
	That's crazy.
	That's a little bit of a damage.
	If you could get away with it, if you could get away with it, hold on, no, Hold on.
	First off, I like blonde women.
	That doesn't mean I would date a blonde that's 12.
	What the fuck?
	I said 15.
	So just because of what.
	No, no, no, no.
	Okay, first off.
	Yeah, so here, let's go.
	Hold on, wait, wait, wait.
	Let me just respond to the argument directly.
	Okay.
	So the argument is: could there be some men who have that preference, or is your argument that we have that preference?
	I wasn't even able to answer for the first question, but I think she's a good idea.
	But if you were able to be presented with an opportunity where there'd be zero legal consequence and nobody would ever know, I would say I wouldn't know it because I've seen a million morality that would be a good idea.
	That's a literal truth.
	So objective morality is 18.
	What?
	What happens the day that they turn 18?
	It's such a bad faith.
	If you're 17, it's disgusting.
	If you're a family, but this question would be turned right back against you.
	What changes in your life?
	It's arbitrary.
	I don't know, is it?
	You're making your point that men that do really terrible things make.
	When you say the things like, well, what's so magic about my brain that it changes when it turns 18?
	The law has determined that 18 is the thing that you're going to be doing.
	The law is always correct.
	But what's your brain?
	But my point is that her family is metric.
	What else do you have?
	What else do you have?
	Other countries that have anything.
	And I said if law did not exist, if law did not exist.
	So would you fuck a 15-year-old if the law did not exist?
	If we're talking about the law or absent the law, I still believe in a standard for objective morality.
	I wouldn't do it.
	Yeah, I'm hoping men would speak.
	No, I'm just thinking about like, okay, a 19-year-old dating a 34-year-old.
	We're talking about adult relationships.
	Adult relations.
	Adult women.
	Some people like a younger girl because they obviously haven't been, you know, ran through or like plenty ofly attractive.
	They're more physically attractive, more emotionally available, more romantic, more energy, optimistic about the future.
	Naivete is also kind of sweet.
	Less inequality.
	Yeah, easy.
	Do you guys mind real quick if I get into this with her real quick?
	Because it'll only take a couple of minutes.
	Wait, let me.
	Before you do, there's like one other video that I want to switch to really quick just to get it out of the way.
	And then we'll hammer in on this.
	Here, let's just play that really quick.
	Sameness, it's fairness.
	Is that audio?
	It is so immensely frustrating as a woman to still find it difficult to answer such a simple question.
	How are men and women different?
	Where is the inequality?
	Conservatives love to say this.
	They love to ask this.
	And it's a very good question because legally we are extraordinarily similar.
	Women lead an education.
	It's an incentive to hire a lot of women for growing companies.
	We can buy land, we can divorce, and we can wear whatever we want without getting fined.
	So where are we just so different?
	Men don't fear walking alone at night.
	Yes.
	Men do not fear getting drugged at a party.
	Oh, yes.
	Men don't fear being taken advantage of by a woman.
	Yes.
	Men don't fear their bosses and coworkers crossing an inappropriate line.
	Yes.
	Men don't fear.
	Yes.
	That's absolute bullshit.
	That's absolute bullshit.
	First off, the reality is when it comes to violent crime, men are much more likely to be victims of violent crime.
	Assault by each other.
	By men.
	Yeah, but it's that same thing.
	Bing-dong by men.
	You've not been assaulted multiple times if you were a male for saying the things that you've said so brazenly.
	Yeah, by other men.
	Ding-dong.
	That's not an argument.
	But that is not society.
	Yeah, by men.
	That's not an argument.
	Yes, it is.
	No, it's not.
	Well, then, what is the argument?
	She's saying, she's saying.
	No, no, no.
	Let her state the argument.
	What's the argument?
	The reality is that it is a completely different reality when you're a woman versus when you're a man.
	Yeah, that's great.
	What's the argument?
	The argument is that when you're walking home at night, men are not turning over their shoulder every dog.
	Yes, we are from other men.
	No, you're not.
	No, you're not.
	Do you want to be afraid of the men?
	I don't walk around Chicago linking.
	No, you're not.
	Literally.
	No, you're not.
	Not like women.
	There is a difference between the two.
	As somebody who has been physically assaulted, yes.
	Multiple times.
	I have literally hung out with so many men that I'm like, we're just walking down the street and they're constantly like, what the fuck is that?
	Keep sucking men, Dick.
	They're not going to ever respond.
	Bro, you're the one who's the reality.
	I don't want to fuck Andrew.
	I've been mugged multiple times.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I'm a man.
	I've been jumped into trouble.
	I've been jumped.
	It was very situation.
	I'm very situationally aware if I'm in public.
	I'm not sure if you're a person who theory that women are scary.
	What?
	How do you justify and reconcile these two thoughts?
	The first thought is the one that you said, which is 100% responsibility is on the woman for all these things to be preventable.
	And the second thought is, wait a second, we're far more likely to be A, B, and C.
	Well, you just got done telling these other girls that it was 100% preventable, which is true.
	So, yes, it's 100% preventable.
	And we have to be cognizant of the situation at hand, which is that men are dangerous and that they strike women at crazy rates, and that women we are constantly scared of walking through a parking lot.
	Men, you do not have that.
	Oh, let me just, let me just, I have to, I have to address the I have to address this whole thing about that men engage in DV at higher rates.
	First off, let me address that.
	Actually, they found that intra-partner violence.
	It's when it's non-reciprocal domestic violence, the rates are actually fairly equalized.
	Now, I have a question for you: How can it possibly be the case if men are these pervasive, violent thugs and bad guys, when we remove the heterosexual component of these conversations?
	Lesbian couples are much more likely to have domestic violence incidents than gay men.
	So, if we totally remove marriage, they're heated.
	Hold on, hold on.
	When we remove men from the equation and we look at lesbian relationships, the rate of violence in lesbian relationships is higher than in heterosexual relationships.
	And among gay men, the rate of domestic violence is the lowest among all other kinds of relationship dynamics.
	So, how could it possibly be when there's two men in the picture that the rate of domestic violence actually nosedives?
	There's nothing wrong with a man hitting a woman or a man hitting a man hitting a man.
	Answer the question.
	In any relationship, no.
	There's nothing wrong with a man hitting a woman?
	No.
	But a woman hitting a moment.
	Not if there's by circumstance that is concerned.
	Andrew, I know you wanted to go in.
	I mean, if you don't mind, I just have kind of a set of inquiries here.
	Yeah.
	I'll be very brief, as brief as I can possibly be.
	I'd appreciate it if the gal would also be briefed back so we can just get to the actual heart of the argument.
	So you just got done saying that it's okay for a man to smack a woman.
	Did I get that wrong?
	That is what she said.
	Okay, so then why would you say that women are victimized if it's okay for me to smack them?
	By strangers.
	What?
	What?
	By strangers?
	Yeah, that's what I'm referring to.
	When women are being afraid of walking in the street, it's not by their domestic partner.
	It's by strangers in the street.
	That's where we're.
	Now, if men are more likely to be assaulted than women are out in the street, which that's what the data points set up, then why is it that women are more afraid to walk down the street than men are?
	Because with this, men will never experience the fear that women do walking down the street.
	I just cannot believe that.
	You're not answering my question.
	I cannot believe this is like something that's like a shit.
	You're not even answering my question.
	You're just like, you really are going to look at me and tell me that the fear that you're not going to be able to do.
	I'm not afraid of women.
	I'm afraid of other men in society, and our society is full of dangerous people.
	You think because I'm not afraid of you that I don't live in your reality.
	I'm afraid of other people.
	Okay, well, women are constantly around.
	Just like you get afraid.
	No, not the same.
	Ways to be a damage.
	You can cause a lot more damage to subjective.
	Because at the end of the day, what you're saying is that these men are not afraid.
	They're obviously afraid.
	They both have admitted that they've had history with them.
	No, they're hugged or jumped.
	Yes, they are afraid.
	How are they going to invalidate them?
	You can't invalidate it or not.
	Well, if I was walking down an alley, I might be.
	I'm not afraid now.
	I don't know if I hope you're afraid of it.
	You're not afraid of that.
	We're not.
	Because I know you're not.
	What are you talking about?
	She's God.
	She's not a UFC fighter.
	You should have a conversation with me.
	Let me ask you a different conversation.
	Let me just say one thing.
	Let me just say one thing.
	You should have a conversation with Nick about all the things that I do.
	He's my producer.
	About all the things I do when it comes to the security of even operating the studio and just me.
	How many of us could have a gun right now and you like to go to the bottom?
	Well, actually, that brings in the best question of all.
	Why is it when concealed carry permits are available to both sexes that men overwhelmingly get them in comparison to women, even though women are supposedly so victimized by men?
	Wouldn't you think that you would see the reverse?
	That if women could have access to the equalizer of force because they're so often assaulted, that they would go out of their way to get those?
	Why do you think they don't?
	Because women are not comfortable around guns because they're very scary, loud, and difficult to use.
	Oh, because they don't know how to use it.
	A similar statistic is the suicide statistic.
	Sorry.
	Hold on, let me engage.
	You're saying that they're incompetent?
	Yes.
	I know what you were about to say.
	You're saying that women are so incompetent that they have an equalization to force and they don't use it because they're incompetent.
	Yes.
	I mean, this is insane.
	So then, me.
	So you're going to look at me and tell me that women know how to use a gun as much as men do.
	Well, I'm asking you this kind of logical question.
	The second logical question is to ask you, but then men, if they're overwhelmingly getting them because they are competent, what is their motivation in getting a gun?
	Or men have a really freakish obsession with gun and holding power in their pocket.
	Oh, so it's not because they can defend themselves.
	It's because, of course, they just want to be powerful.
	But a lot of men do have to be afraid of the same thing.
	And when the same option is available to women to have the same amount of power, they don't because they're incompetent.
	That's your position.
	Men love throwing that out and you going, I have a gun.
	They don't.
	Do you want to go back to, I mean, there's so many things that can be said about the whole, I mean, the violence thing, but I mean, if the perpetrator is a male, it doesn't.
	Well, I just want to, just to tie it off real quick, Brian, only take a second.
	If you were in a threatening situation, would you call a number which would send men with guns to protect you?
	She's a cop puncher in the face, or yeah.
	She punches cops in the face.
	I would rather not.
	I'd try not to be in that situation.
	Yeah, but if you were in that situation, would you dial a number where men with guns would come to protect you?
	They usually exacerbate the situation.
	So what would you do?
	But there's no other option.
	The answer is no, you wouldn't.
	It's very rarely the other option.
	There's no other option.
	What other option are you?
	So you would, right?
	So you would do my boyfriend's number.
	Yeah, so you would call the number for men with guns to come and protect you because you're so incompetent, you couldn't protect yourself essentially with a gun, is what you're saying.
	Yeah, but I don't know how competent the people who are going to be arriving are themselves.
	Yeah, but you would still dial the numbers so that they would come protect you from other men who would be trying to assault you, right?
	So men, while they may be in this scenario, because I used to live in New York.
	More assaults.
	I live in downtown LA.
	Hang on, hang on.
	I'm almost done.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Men who may be the perpetrators of assault on women, like you're talking about, in alleys and things like this, are also the defenders of women in alleys and things like this as well, aren't they?
	That's a good point.
	I lost the train of thought.
	I'm like some brain dead.
	Did I say something?
	That does not surprise me a bit.
	I am tired.
	It's been like six hours.
	I think that I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with anyone right now.
	Are you going to speak into the mic?
	I'm sorry.
	I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with anyone right now, but I think in general, it's important to keep in mind that in this kind of podcast, it's sometimes easy to have an echo chamber where if one person is disagreeing with the rest of the people, we all knew what we were getting into.
	You know what I mean?
	Wait, why are you...
	Well, that's the whole dynamic of the podcast.
	Yeah.
	I'm just saying it's worth acknowledging that sometimes that can happen.
	I'm not saying it is.
	I'm just saying it can happen in a situation like this.
	I'm not really sure what you're talking about, but I mean, this whole.
	Are you saying that men are killed by other men, therefore that's not a problem?
	Is that your argument, basically?
	No, men are the problem 1,000%.
	Right, but if we say that men are victimized in these ways, and then you just say, yeah, by who?
	by other men, that's basically, you're dismissing male victims of violence.
	It's just, I don't know, bro.
	That's a fucking weird take.
	No, I'm just maintaining that women's fear is different than men.
	Yeah, but would a man be less dead if they were killed by a woman?
	I'm not speaking about that.
	I'm speaking about women's fear of men.
	You're not fearing going in the parking lot when you go pucker cars.
	Yes, you're not that.
	The stats show different.
	The stats show.
	No, you're not.
	Yes.
	You can't do that.
	You're not appearing around the corner.
	Yes, we do.
	Yes, we do.
	No, you're not.
	Yes, we do.
	No, you're not.
	You're a crazy person.
	You don't know me.
	That's fine.
	You don't know me.
	You don't know Jeff.
	Let's not look at the victims because the victims is everyone.
	Let's look at the victims of the victimizers.
	I think you're seeing it as a male female.
	You're thinking that, like, because you're a woman, you're the only one that has fears.
	I don't go.
	But fears are not.
	I bet there's a gang of women that might get me if I turn.
	No, there's not.
	No, I'm saying I'm afraid of other bad people.
	Other men.
	All are afraid of men.
	Yes.
	Yes, that's the whole point.
	Yes.
	Yeah, I know.
	Yes.
	Right.
	So you agree?
	Yeah, that menu.
	We are looking over our shoulder at the moment.
	Not like men.
	Not well, we should talk about how 80% of criminals come from single mother households.
	So maybe it's really all women.
	Yeah, because men leave.
	What?
	Because men leave like a girl.
	Why are you a formal criminal?
	Like, what's your family dynamic?
	Because you're so interested in everybody else's.
	Yeah, I'm 100%.
	Again, like, I'm open book.
	Okay, so.
	I am born in Ukraine, and I have a lot of people who are.
	Here, let's go back to Andrew.
	I know you had a string of questions related.
	Well, moving off from the violence thing to her claim that all men are P-words.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so what's your proof?
	Um, this entire fucking conversation.
	You gotta be aware of that.
	Oh, great.
	So you have more proof.
	You're the only one who talked about 14-year-olds.
	No, and none of you would answer it.
	We did.
	We all said no.
	What's your hang on?
	Yeah, you're lying.
	Slogan, guys.
	Would you?
	What's your proof?
	No.
	Okay, your proof.
	Can you tell me, hang on, just real quick.
	Just let me finish the exchange, please.
	What's your evidence for this?
	I'm saying that if I presented you a scenario that if you had the full ability with no one knowing.
	It's a question.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	But I know that.
	That's a question.
	It's not an argument.
	She knows it for a fact.
	But I do.
	The vast majority of people.
	The vast majority is different.
	Men and women are different.
	I'm so sorry to tell you, girl.
	And it'd be like if I just said you're like, you don't know what it's like to be a man.
	You don't.
	Well, hang on.
	Hang on.
	Hang on.
	All of you guys.
	Just let me finish the exchange with her.
	It'll only take a second.
	What's the argument for the proofs that you can provide that all men are P words?
	Because men are pedophiles.
	You keep that.
	This entire conversation.
	That's just a reason for that.
	This entire conversation.
	Andrew, this entire conversation, have you guys been focusing on fertility and women being innocent and malleable without a history?
	Why is that just a matter of time?
	Just call yourself, say that you want to have a fresh meat.
	What does that have to do with it?
	Just say it.
	You like young girls.
	All of you like little girls.
	Oh, wait.
	Andrew, yes, you did.
	No, no, no.
	No, listen to you.
	You say that y'all like young girls and little girls.
	So let me ask the question back to you.
	Why is it that in the public school system, so many women are having sex with underage boys?
	Not like men are raping women and having molesting and molesting girls.
	Epidemic of P words.
	I don't know if I can say that.
	Why is that happening?
	Is that because all women are P words?
	Repeat the question.
	Why is there such an epidemic, an overwhelming epidemic of women inside of the school system having sex with underage boys, sometimes as young as 13, 12 years old, in order to get their rocks off?
	Why is it when they're in a position of power and authority over young men, they essay them constantly?
	Is that because all of them are P words?
	That's a really great question because I'm also wondering that with men and young girls.
	It's power of authority, exactly, is what you're saying.
	So my question is again.
	Is it because all women are P words or isn't it?
	It's because if you're in a power of authority, if you have a place of authority, you're going to do it.
	That's what you're saying.
	Women do it?
	No, that's not what I'm saying.
	I'm asking you to answer my question.
	Don't reframe my argument.
	Just answer to the argument.
	What's your question?
	He's asking her a question, I'm pretty sure.
	I'm like, what is the reason?
	Just answer to the argument is the reason that so much essay happens in schools from female teachers to young boys because all women are P words.
	No, but men are.
	No.
	Okay, I'm going to answer.
	So what's your evidence then?
	I just gave you a huge swap.
	Because it is in men DNA to want to conquer and dominate.
	And what is easy to conquer and dominate young girls?
	Erroneous.
	Erroneous.
	Can I answer no one?
	What is your evidence for any of this?
	Literally every crime committed with a man raping, molesting a girl.
	Literally the woman that are sitting on the ground.
	There's that radical feminism she was talking about.
	Yeah, where's the actual evidence for what you're saying is true?
	What?
	Of men molesting.
	She thinks all men are P words.
	No, that all men are P words because some men do horrible things.
	What's the word?
	She literally, what is it?
	Make a quick point.
	She literally was the one to tell us that there are more women who are now teaching because of certain gender roles.
	I believe that was actually you.
	So that is why please make your point.
	That is why there's a higher epidemic with women doing these things to young boys.
	That is why.
	But you're not even able to repeat that statement.
	So you are literally making no fucking sense.
	If you use your own fucking knowledge and your own reasoning, then you would make sense, and this would no longer be a fucking argument.
	I don't know what you are saying.
	I don't even, I still don't understand what the argument is.
	Let me ask you a question.
	I don't know what the argument was.
	Hold on, let me ask a couple clarifying questions.
	So, is it genuinely your position that you think that all men, all men are pedophiles?
	I think the vast majority, yes, innately, yes.
	Biologically, yes.
	I think if they were granted the opportunity to get away with having sex with a 15-year-old girl with no repercussions, they would do it.
	Yes.
	What's the evidence for that?
	You have no evidence for this.
	This entire conversation has been.
	Yeah, so that's not an argument.
	That's an argument from incredibility.
	It's fallacious.
	What's the evidence that I can look at right now that proves your point?
	What are you even talking about?
	Look at.
	I'm talking about evidence.
	Well, hold on.
	Do you have any or not?
	Yeah, so let's talk about Jeffrey Epstein's Island.
	Perfect example.
	Yeah, so some men do so bad things.
	That is men.
	That is a bunch of elite men.
	You don't see women going over the fuck little boys.
	It's a bunch of men.
	Yes, you do.
	No, you don't.
	Can you ever sit down for example?
	Can you ever sit down?
	It's a bunch of men going to fucking Lolita's Island or going on Lolita Express, going to St. James, and it's men.
	Recruited for Epstein.
	Was it a woman who recruited for Epstein?
	Yes.
	They worked in tandem.
	Her father was helping him do that.
	If you actually knew about them, you would know that her father was a fed and he's the one who created the whole thing.
	Jeffrey got involved with it later.
	Okay, so on the Maxwell, can you answer to why it was that Glene Maxwell was recruiting for this P-word island if she wasn't a party to it as well?
	They're both working in tandem.
	Right, so this is not evidence.
	But who's fucking P-word?
	Who is fucking?
	And you're an idiot.
	Who is fucking?
	Who's doing the raping?
	It's not the women.
	I'm going to say that the women inside the public.
	It's not the women.
	Andrew, it's not the women.
	It's not the women.
	It's not the women coming to St. James.
	Why is there so many teachers?
	Women are not.
	Answer the question.
	Why is there so many men flying to St. James Island?
	Why isn't it women going to fuck men's boys?
	But they're not all those women who were recruited by another woman.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	God, you're not even answering the question.
	You're like harking on one very specific thing.
	You brought up the specific thing.
	Yeah, and you keep talking about just Lane Maxwell.
	Yeah, but that's fucking a lot of people.
	Who is fucking the kids?
	Why is the recruitment agent for the P-words?
	Who is having sex?
	That's also a P-word she percentage.
	It's not women.
	It's not women.
	Women aren't driving to St. James.
	It's ridiculous.
	It's not happening.
	So your position is you think the majority of men are P-words?
	Yes.
	Biologically, innately, yes.
	From what I could tell, you think me here, me and Jeff are also P words?
	Is that what you're, that's basically what you said.
	There are outliers, and I hope you are one of them.
	But you just said if I have this.
	Andrew, do you have like a smoking gun on this?
	Because.
	This is very simple.
	I've already given the smoking gun.
	I see more SA coming out of the public school system between females who have a power differential between young boys.
	They molest them at massive, monstrous rates.
	It's incredible.
	Two, you've offered no counter evidence.
	I have.
	I literally missed it.
	Hang on.
	Let me finish.
	You have not offered a single shred of evidence that the majority of men in society are P words.
	Can you offer that evidence without restating the position and saying, because of this conversation, give me the evidence?
	Yeah, I just told you St. James Island, Hollywood.
	Hello.
	That's not evidence that.
	Yes, it is.
	How is that?
	There is nothing of a better evidence than St. James Island.
	Because if they have an argument, tell me how that's not fucking evidence.
	How does that mean most men do bad thing?
	Yo, yo, yo.
	So you were trying to make the point, which incredibly bad faith, like ask trying to ask us a question to try to, because like super bad faith.
	You've been bad faith this entire show.
	You're, I honestly, I think you're intentionally trolling now.
	You like chilled out for a little bit, but now you're back to fucking troll.
	I don't even think it's trolling.
	I just actually think you're a misandrist and you hate men, frankly, because holding the position that most or all men are pedophiles is an incredibly sexist statement to make.
	It's incredibly misandrist.
	You're pathologizing.
	First off, you're attempting to pathologize men who have a preference for younger women.
	Key word, women.
	Fresh meat, malleable.
	Yeah, all right.
	Get off the show.
	Get the fuck off the show.
	Leave.
	This is Sparta.
	Get off the show.
	Thank God.
	Out you go.
	Out you go.
	Thank God.
	Oh my God.
	Unbelievable.
	Ridiculous.
	I just, bro.
	Also, one of the comments said that because we like fertility, cute disargument was small.
	Yeah, I meant smaller than me.
	I don't want a gal that's six foot four is what I was suggesting to Antana Bay.
	I think it's kind of cute when a woman's not ridiculous.
	220.
	And thank you for doing that.
	She was terrible.
	Wow.
	Wait, Mia, can you want to just sit over there in her seat?
	You might want to wipe it down.
	You may want to wipe it down with some antiseptic wipe.
	Can you sage that chair?
	Oh my God.
	No, I really want to sage myself.
	Very unusual.
	Jesus Christ.
	Oh, my God.
	I was denying her.
	I was just like boiling.
	I was like, girl, instantly, it's just the whole room is just like, I was going to say, like, I think it's really interesting that she was putting so many words into everybody else's mouths.
	I don't think it was fair or reasonable at all.
	The way that she was behaving and putting everybody else down and trying to paint a picture that wasn't even existent.
	Had you said anything about dating XYZ or had any of us said anything at all, then that was a reason to attack us and to go forward on that.
	But she did just completely attack just for no reason.
	It would also be great if she was a little consistent to be all over.
	Like, you can't even say that she doubled down on what she thought.
	She was just like all over the place.
	Like at one point, saying, leave the 19-year-old and she's only 19.
	And then the next point be like, she's 19.
	She's fucking like, what's going on?
	When I wasn't in the room, I couldn't hear everything that was happening.
	But like someone commented to you, they were like, she's evangelizing her.
	And then in the same breath, doing the opposite.
	Right.
	What had happened was like you walked out, she chased after you, trying to be a nice guy, whatever it may be.
	And I said it, she's 19.
	I didn't say it to put you down by any means.
	What are we talking about?
	The situation when she cried.
	And I only said it because I thought it was such a rhetorical thing.
	She chased after you, try to treat you nicely and say that we're using that to our advantages and putting you down because you're younger, which we were not doing.
	And even at that, it was just like, we're repeatedly saying she's 19, which was obviously her issue.
	She had an issue that your age was 19, which is not fair.
	And it's just, she was just one of those people.
	I don't know whoever brought her thing.
	You know what's crazy to me, though, is when men are basically not allowed to have any preferences, standards, and boundaries when it comes to what they want in a partner.
	If a girl wants an older guy, that's a preference.
	Guy wants younger, creepy, immature.
	Maybe even if you want a younger woman, even if you want to date a younger adult woman, they want to call you a P-word, a pedo.
	Which is crazy.
	Girl doesn't want a short guy, preference.
	Guy doesn't want an overweight girl, shallow, asshole.
	Girl wants a dominant guy, preference.
	Guy wants a submissive woman, misogyny.
	Girl sets a boundary, empowering.
	Guy sets a boundary, controlling.
	It's just like, but it's the degree that she took it to was like pathologizing.
	She basically called us.
	I don't know if she was talking about you, but she pretty much sat there and called me.
	Yeah, she did.
	She was.
	Pedo.
	She said, and she said, because we were like, no, we wouldn't do that.
	And she's like, you're lying.
	You both wouldn't.
	But even though she also said that she wouldn't do that.
	Yeah.
	But then she said you can hit women.
	She was all of us.
	I know.
	That was pathological.
	She was a psycho.
	But what was weird was she started off with that energy and I checked her and then she kind of got in check.
	And then, like, I don't know if the meds were wearing off or whatever.
	But it started amping up again at the end there.
	So, like, what the fuck?
	I think what was interesting was just like seeing how she immediately was like, fuck Andrew.
	I love you, Andrew.
	And then immediately, like, for a long time, it stayed in the room.
	And Andrew's not in the room.
	It's very easy for her to do it.
	And then from there, it went to Andrew, you'd fuck X, Y, Z.
	It's just like, what the fuck?
	Like, stay consistent or just don't speak at all.
	Like, if I get the guy that's not in the room on my side, I think you actually kind of agreed with her, though.
	On some things, a little bit.
	I think that she was phrasing things in a way to purposely sound fucking insane.
	But I think the root of some of her, some of her, very few, but some of her opinions were rooted in something that I believe into.
	But I do, the things that she said, the generalizations she made, all of that I think was wrong.
	And I mean, I said what I said, and I want you to listen to what I said, and that's my opinion.
	I don't want you to hear her and hear me build onto something she said and think that's me.
	Yeah.
	I will, like, so just speaking back to the subject that she left on, just like another thing, like, as a guy, I like to date age-appropriate women, like women generally my age, just kind of my wheelhouse.
	However, that's tough because there are not a lot of available women my age.
	And if they are, they've got children, and that makes the little things more complicated because it'd be unrealistic for me to think I could get a 40-year-old woman that doesn't have past relationships.
	So, like, I you would tend to date a little younger because the younger chicks don't have something started yet.
	They don't have a family, they don't have a marriage, you know.
	So, it's like the young girls are available.
	Like, you want to start a family with someone and have it your own family.
	Yeah, yeah, and that's fair.
	Yeah.
	Or, like, I've met girls that I really, this is not good to sound good, but they're like, I was like, I would date this woman, and she's married.
	Yeah, and I'm like, well, I can't.
	But that's a great gal.
	I want a woman like that.
	Yeah.
	But I just can't because she's got a guy.
	Free Peter in the chat box.
	Free Peter.
	Right.
	I don't believe anything she said.
	I bet she doesn't have a boyfriend.
	I bet she'd be pretty annoyed if someone slapped her in a relationship.
	Oh, we got David.
	Leon Jackson donated $200.
	I take back what I said, El Autistic Sociopas.
	Pedo means attraction to prepubescent children.
	The law allots for years post-puberty just to play safe.
	Fighty nobody looks at the 19 years old plus sees a child.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	But also, like, the law was put there for a reason.
	And different countries have different laws.
	Of course.
	Fine.
	Bro, that's crazy, dude.
	Did she ever define the word?
	No.
	There is another issue.
	She didn't really want to answer any questions.
	Andrew is.
	She just kind of avoided questions.
	Andrew, what?
	Do you know what?
	Like, is there a specific fallacy when it's like you're asking somebody a question, and then, regardless of their answer, you just assume they're either lying about their answer to the question or you just pre-assume what their answer to the question is.
	Is that like a does that have a name?
	Because she did that multiple times.
	She's like, she's like, no, you met, like, when we said, no, we've been assaulted.
	Like, we are cautious when we're going out.
	It's just a basic straw man fallacy.
	So what she did was she would say, here's what your argument actually is, and then argue against that.
	What I was trying to do is get as much clarification as I could, nail down the actual argument.
	And when I make arguments, they're actual arguments.
	What she made was kind of these fallacious claims.
	And then she actually never made any counter-arguments.
	If you listen closely, she would just restate the position as the position itself being bad.
	Right?
	That's all she did.
	So there was no argument to even be fallacious for the most part because she never made any.
	Right.
	Got it.
	Here, let me do a couple chats.
	And if we want, we can continue on with this.
	Dr. Clockwork, you're talking about sex work five-ish years ago, like it was a long time ago.
	That's nothing.
	You said you had two experiences as a S worker and are talking like you're a hard season pro.
	You know nothing.
	So I think, is this directed at the time?
	I'm sorry, dude, I had to kick her off.
	This was back in 2019.
	Back in.
	Also, the fact that she was saying in 2019 that sex work was more like normal was so false.
	It was completely the opposite.
	It's a different time.
	In addition to that, OnlyFans actually started in 2016.
	So she was like, it didn't exist all the time.
	You didn't have to be a prostitute.
	Not that that was wrong.
	And also the fact that she was saying that she was on all these drugs and saying that she was on those and then started sex work.
	Like you basically were a drug addict and needed money for the drugs.
	So you pretty much say as well, like she was pointing out like my family dynamics are most commonly for sex workers.
	And it was like, well, you willingly chose your dynamic to involve yourself into sex work.
	I didn't.
	If that was my case, I did not.
	You know what's crazy?
	This might sound mean, but she's a very attractive girl.
	You know, it's just like, oh, so like she, I would say that she's pretty, you know, like to the everyday person, that she's a pretty person or a pretty looking girl.
	But here's the thing is like, she sounded like a crazy homeless guy.
	But like, but we listened to it because she was a pretty attractive.
	No, shake, I don't think she's, I frankly, and granted, perhaps her personality is what affects it a lot, but like just her outward appearance, there's like, I don't know, there's some physiogamy going on there.
	Like just she has like this.
	She's not the ugliest person ever.
	That's what I meant.
	No, I'm not saying she's ugly, but like, why is God making hot crazy people?
	It's so unfair.
	I'm like, listen, like, I would listen to her at a store and be like, I don't know.
	She thinks she's pretty pissed off about something.
	But if she was just like wearing like a crazy hat and had like a beard, I'd be like, get this person out of our business.
	Simp-like behavior going again, bro.
	Yeah, truthfully, dude, I don't think.
	You don't think so?
	Even if she said she was attractive.
	No, bro, she was not.
	She's not ugly, but she's not enough to be crazy.
	I don't think she's an attractive girl.
	I think she's socially impulsive and stupid.
	Have you heard of that scale where it's like she's not going to be happy?
	Oh, there's like a line, and you can't be under that line.
	She's under the line.
	Yeah, all right.
	Fair enough.
	I'm saying there's a guy like Peter that's listening to that shit just because she's, I'm going to get some of these chats here.
	All right, Antenna Boy, and Antenna Boy here sides with the girl.
	The funniest part is that she is right.
	If all you're looking for is fertility, cuteness, argue, mentative, small, your guests said that one, multiple, malleable, et cetera, just sounds like you want a 12-year-old.
	That's a totally, is that a straw man?
	It's totally fallacious because you could, like, if you want a woman who's a virgin, there are plenty of women who are adults, women, adult, who are 18, 19, 20, 21.
	There's women into their mid-late 20s, even early 30s that are virgins.
	So just because you want a woman who's a virgin does not mean like, so you could desire all like, you could desire all these traits in a woman.
	That's not evidence of you having these P-word tendencies.
	Andrew, do you have anything on the super chat?
	Yeah, well, it's a non-sequitur anyway.
	So the non-sequitur, which is here, this is an argument which means nothing, is he states at the end that his conclusion is the question, right?
	If you value these things, then it must mean X.
	No, that's, of course, not true.
	You still value high fertility and has nothing to do with prepubescent kids.
	It has nothing to do with any of that.
	It just has to do with the fact that, of course, men are going to value fertility in women.
	None of these things lead to the conclusion that he's saying, but he still states it as though the conclusion must be true based on made-up premises.
	It's ridiculous.
	Well put.
	Well put, Andrew.
	I'm glad I had you here for this episode because, oh my God, it's been a doozy.
	Yeah, I'd have got away with tons of stuff if Andrew wasn't here.
	We have infinite singularity.
	One, God's essence entails infinite attributes.
	Humans, finite beings, cannot embody infinity.
	Two, asserting I am God implies a finite being is infinite.
	Three, this self-contradictory claim violates the principle of non-contradiction.
	All right, that's above my pay grade.
	So if you don't mind, I'll respond to that real quick.
	He's absolutely right.
	So especially when he says it violates the law of non-contradiction, it'd be a contradiction for her to say I am God while at the same time, of course, she's not God.
	This is demonstratable that she's not God because if she was God, then she would have to have created everything, et cetera, et cetera.
	So it's already a violation of one of the logical laws, which is how you can, you don't even need to say it's fallacious.
	You can just reject the entire thing on its face.
	But also he makes these other points, which is that you're trying to say that a finite being can be an infinite being, which she clearly is a finite being, so can't be infinite, therefore can't be God.
	It's just contradiction after contradiction.
	There are religions that think that you can be as a finite being infinite.
	Let's not have that.
	Which one?
	Which one?
	Like Buddhism?
	Well, no, that's not really what Buddhism says.
	It's not.
	So Buddhism is trying to move towards what we would call in orthodoxy something called theosis, which is you could be more like whatever this type of being is.
	But no, it's not really stating what you're saying.
	It's stating.
	Well, I mean, there's a certain level of connectedness to the world that you have when you're like that, which kind of implies infinity, but not in the way I think that comment was saying.
	Yeah, so it would say you're a part of the infinite, not the infinite itself.
	That's what we would agree with is God is the infinite, right?
	You're not part of the infinite.
	You would be the infinite.
	We have deaxium here, Jess.
	She was supposed to be Jeff.
	Jeff, she was the least personal.
	She was the least on the channel for sure.
	She was not hot.
	But I certainly agree with that.
	She was the least, even the pink girl fucking.
	I don't know about digging it.
	I was just saying that, I was like.
	Nobody made any commentaries, at least when the girls said we were being a lot kinder.
	Yeah.
	This other bitch was fucking psycho and ugly.
	Yeah.
	But it has fucking God.
	Her personality sucks.
	That's ugly.
	I see a lot of uglier girls than her.
	I'm not trying to simp.
	But like, I was just, I meant like, gosh damn it, why is this?
	Why is a trip?
	The crazy person should look crazy.
	She should have came here with a shit in her jeans and we'd have been like, don't talk to this person.
	She's insane.
	That was a crazy person we just argued with for hours.
	I do actually think that's what I was trying to say.
	I know she's an actual crazy person.
	That's what I'm saying.
	But she's somewhat, she's, oh, shit.
	They let her operate a car.
	She knows how to put on clothes.
	I think she was.
	That's the only point I was trying to make by saying she's not ugly.
	Is that like the fact that we have to deal?
	I wish murderers look like murderers, and I wish crazy people look like crazy people.
	I wish bad people look like bad, you know, it's like I had to deal with this fucking psycho, and I was giving her good faith for the first hour, and then after a while, I was like, fuck this.
	The conversation I had with her prior was outside, and you heard a little bit of it.
	Yeah, she's pleasant, but she was decently pleasant.
	She was just adding a lot of weird feeling on my side.
	I just emotionally just felt like, okay, this is a little different.
	She was degrading you.
	She was degrading the hell out of the house.
	Outside.
	Oh, no, no, not outside.
	She was intentionally trying to get information from me.
	So I was just filtering over.
	Yeah, I heard you guys' whole conversation.
	But what she was saying was, like, I've always wanted to be in Los Angeles.
	I've always wanted to be here, have eight days.
	Yeah, someone said that downstairs because I'm a failed actress to get like the laugh, like a little self-deprecation.
	Yeah, so I think she was intentionally doing was just like, she really wants the attention.
	She obviously has a social.
	God only knows how much in terms of following her anything of that sort.
	But it just seems so like she was deprived of everything.
	She needed it.
	Yeah.
	That was a lot.
	It wasn't.
	On one hand, I wish I was.
	Like, there was early on in the show, I was about to kick her.
	I wish I was trying to get her.
	I'm scared to do something.
	A chance.
	I'm glad you didn't.
	I'm glad you didn't kick her.
	No, because that kind of madness on display is not.
	Yes, no, I agree.
	Like, she like the what's the hold on.
	It's uh you see how far the termites have spread and how long and well they've dined.
	I mean, it was obviously infuriating, and I know she was very insulting to some of the other girls here.
	She was, it was very frustrating to have her on the show, but like the best disinfectant is sunlight.
	And like for her to like, she was trying to, there was a period there in the middle, Andrew, where I think it, I don't know if she's bipolar or something, but she kind of like started shifting a bit and was like trying to be more agreeable.
	And then, but immediately like just went completely unhinged.
	And she was trying to take every end of the position that she possibly could, whatever she thought would put her in the most favorable light with whoever was on the winning side of the position.
	That was the game.
	When we were able to move her out of that, where she had to be on the losing side of the position, she freaked out.
	That's where she started yelling.
	Well, she loved the attention.
	So like even when everyone's dunking on her, going, can you imagine being her boyfriend Peter?
	Like she was maniacally laughing.
	Yeah.
	Like look at how people are talking about me.
	Like it was a strange reaction to that.
	Like it felt very manic.
	Yeah.
	You did at the end there.
	I said something and then one of them was like, oh, I'm asking her a question, which is cool.
	And then she tried to say something and you were like, let them do this.
	So it seemed like you almost wanted it to be like this, like her show for a second.
	No.
	It was when I was answering something and you were just like, let her do it.
	And I under.
	But it was just because she was already showing her psychosis.
	No.
	Can I ask a serious question?
	No, honestly, the truth is, as soon as she said, as soon as she basically made the statement that me and Jeff and that all men or most men must be P-words, I was prepared to kick her, but I was going to kick her right then and there.
	But I know Andrew wanted to have a back and forth.
	So I was like, it wasn't so much I didn't want to hear from you.
	was like, I want to get this girl off the fucking show.
	I'll let Andrew have his back and forth, but like, okay.
	How do you kick people off?
	I didn't really kick Pink off.
	No, she kicked her show.
	She kind of wanted to leave.
	She wanted to leave anyways.
	But it doesn't happen too often.
	I think I'm fairly patient with people.
	Way too.
	I thought you were so patient.
	I'm really surprised.
	You didn't even tell her to shut up or anything.
	Wait, what?
	You didn't even tell her to shut up.
	I raised my voice with her a little bit more.
	Well, you have to be able to talk over her.
	We did it tonight, though.
	Thank God for Andrew Wilson, guys.
	You guys have subscribed to his channel, The Crucible.
	He helped out a lot with that, just dealing with that total insanity, guys.
	This would have a real conversation.
	Yeah, I mean, I'd love to.
	I think I have some more notes here from.
	I want to ask a light-hearted question here.
	Hold on, let me try the Leiden thing.
	Yeah, too, anyway.
	I got Andrew.
	I think you'll appreciate this one.
	Hold on.
	All right.
	Wait, hold on.
	okay what let's say you're like talking to a dude right I don't know why I said Andrew would appreciate this.
	Maybe Jeff will appreciate it too.
	Let's say you're talking to a guy.
	He's flirting with you, maybe approached you at Trader Joe's or at a bar or something.
	I don't know.
	He's like, hey, can I get your number?
	You're like, yeah, yeah, sure.
	You want to take it down?
	And he's like, yeah.
	And then he like busts out a flip phone like this.
	I'd be so impressed.
	Hot.
	Would like hot turn on or like, like, is it a deal breaker?
	Like, even if they were like not cute, like, I would give him a chance at me.
	He's like, that's hot.
	That's attractive.
	Like this.
	And he's like, why is that attractive?
	I just, I love flip phones.
	It's like you're a real person.
	Like, you don't have an addiction that everyone else has.
	But like, what's willpower?
	What's the thing with girls?
	Like, they don't like guys who have androids.
	I don't agree with that.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	I think that's hot.
	So it's like sexy.
	I would say, I think I'd find it attractive solely because typically with the flip phone, you can text not so much and not so effectively.
	There's no typical PTTS.
	So I think it'd be more fun to actually have a conversation with somebody or be in a real life person relationship because then you can have phone calls and all that stuff.
	You can actually organize dates like that.
	What about you?
	What do you?
	I don't know.
	I'll be a little sus.
	A little sus if you're not this.
	I'll be a little sus.
	Thank you.
	She's considering.
	I appreciate the honesty.
	Let me up the ante here.
	What if he's got one of these?
	This is a Moldarola Dynatac 9000X.
	He's either hilarious or a crazy person.
	So, ladies, both are good.
	I would be intrigued.
	I would want to know more.
	What is that?
	Does it move, though?
	Can you take it outside of your house?
	I would want to know why.
	Yeah, it's a cell phone.
	The cell phone was a hairy white.
	The first cell phone.
	I don't know.
	I think you got to charge it in your car.
	I would just want to know why.
	I would think it was a bit.
	Yeah, that's the thing.
	You'd be funny, guys.
	Okay.
	So, I'm just going to be right.
	Do you think, man, Andrew?
	What's Andrew's background?
	Is he like a scientist or something?
	He won the Nobel moment, guys.
	I'm a mechanical engineer.
	That's cool.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So, I was going to say, like, I find the traits I like in women are the things I hate most about myself.
	Actually, no, that's not true.
	I find the traits that I hate in other people, not just women, the things I hate about myself most.
	So, like, a lot of my guy friends dress terrible.
	They're like out of shape.
	I'm like, I like the lack of vanity in this person because I have a pretty high amount of vanity.
	So, it's like, I think what they were just going, isn't that great that he's got a flip phone?
	I think that's so good.
	Maybe because you hate that you're always on your stupid smartphone and you're always checking your Instagram when he can't check his Instagram on this.
	You go, Good.
	I like a guy who can't do is that a fair yeah, I want a flip phone.
	I would do it if I could.
	I'm addicted, though.
	You can.
	This is super cheap.
	I like can't quit my addiction.
	Oh, I see what you're saying.
	I want to get into some of Mia's pre-show notes here.
	Maya?
	Mia.
	Call me whatever you'd like.
	I can't laugh.
	I like that.
	You can spin me up like 10 times.
	That um Mommy, Mommy me is actually one of the names I got the most.
	Okay, there you go.
	Um, before I get into your notes, question for the for all the girls here, uh, how tall are you and do you guys have a high preference when it comes to dating?
	Are we going around?
	I don't think I did that.
	Yeah, starting with you.
	Yeah um, i'm five eight and I prefer i've dated people shorter than me, but just because of like how tall I am, I prefer someone to like be either my height or a little bit taller.
	Do you have like a bare minimum, like six feet or anything like that?
	What, like of how tall they should be?
	I'd say like your height?
	I mean, I've dated shorter, so I would say like the minimum is like 5'5.
	Oh, okay.
	What about you?
	I'm 5'1, and I think be honest.
	I don't, I am 5'1.
	5'1.
	No, not about.
	The next part.
	I don't have a minimum.
	I think because I'm so small that it's really, I can't have a minimum cap.
	I'd say the shortest I've dated is 5'6, and that's fine with me.
	What about a little person?
	That'd be shorter than you.
	That'd be fine.
	Anybody date a little person?
	I'm trying to know some dwarves.
	I'm trying to date a dwarf.
	Like a female dwarf.
	No, I don't know any female dwarfs.
	I'm trying to date.
	Maybe I do.
	I don't know if I like shorts.
	I only know so many dwarves because I'm a stand-up comedian, and there's like four of them that are all Nick Noveck, Brad Williams.
	Like, they're all very funny.
	But that's kind of how I found them.
	They're like, you know.
	Okay.
	So your last boyfriend, how tall was he?
	My last boyfriend was 5'10.
	And then right after that was, or right before that was 5'6.
	That's what you talked about revealed there.
	5'10.
	Okay, what about you?
	So I'm 5'4, and the shortest person I've dated was like 5'6.
	Well, you're currently in a relationship, right?
	Yes.
	How tall is your current boyfriend?
	Six foot.
	Do you have a height minimum requirement for dudes?
	No.
	Well, 5'6.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	I'm 5'3, and it just kind of depends on the.
	Sorry.
	It just kind of, I'm 5'3.
	It depends on the person, I feel like.
	I never really run into situations where I'm like, this guy would be cool if he wasn't 5'4.
	That's never happened to me, so I don't really think about it, but I guess probably 5'4.
	Bare minimum?
	Yeah, but I've dated a lot of short people.
	Stop the cap.
	Okay, fair enough.
	That's fair if it's for me.
	My most recent relationship was 5'10, but that was also.
	But it's not my shortest.
	Okay.
	Hey, guys, I really appreciate you having me on this evening.
	I gotta go.
	It's a little bit of me here in Michigan.
	Thank you so much for having me.
	It was nice meeting all of you.
	Yes.
	Andrew, before you leave, just want to thank you so much for coming on.
	I hope this episode wasn't too much of a headache for you.
	Nope, it was great.
	I had a lot of fun.
	And thank you for having me so much.
	And you guys have a great night.
	I'm a little mad that Andrew didn't say hi to me before the show started.
	Oh my God.
	I forgot that was a good thing.
	That's true.
	I didn't.
	That's right.
	That was very, very rude.
	Very rude of you, Andrew.
	Guys, guys, please check out the Crucible on YouTube.
	That's Andrew's channel.
	He is a blood sports debater.
	And if you want, check out the previous podcast we've had him on.
	He's absolutely killer.
	He's been great on the previous episodes.
	So if you enjoyed what you heard from Andrew, feel free to check out his channel.
	Check out the other episodes.
	He's appeared in person, by the way, guys.
	This is our first time doing a column with him.
	I'm sure a lot of you are already familiar with that.
	Those episodes were awesome, super cool.
	Go subscribe to his channel.
	And we'll have you back on soon.
	Excuse me.
	We'll have you back on soon.
	All right, Andrew?
	Yeah, sure.
	Thanks for having me.
	Take care, guys.
	Have a great night.
	Thanks for joining, man.
	Have a good night.
	Say hi to Rachel for me.
	Wait, was that weird?
	Is that weird to say?
	No.
	I don't know who Rachel.
	That's his wife.
	It was fine to say that.
	I like that weird.
	That was weird.
	I like it fine.
	I feel like that could be like I don't think that was saying it in like a lot of clients.
	I like his wife, so his wife's like super based and cool.
	So I hope that didn't come out.
	And we should, Andrew, I don't know if you're still watching.
	Love to have her on the show.
	So, yeah, Rachel's Rachel Wilson.
	She's awesome.
	Okay, so Mia.
	Did I say right finally?
	Mommy, Mia.
	She's funny.
	I'm so bad with names.
	Is it really my fault, though, if you get named something, a name that has two potential different pronunciations?
	Actually, funny story on that.
	I think I've said this once before on the stream.
	I was dating this girl.
	Her name was either C or K A R A.
	So Kara or Kara.
	I don't fucking know.
	We hooked up.
	We had sex for the first time afterwards.
	This is only our second time hanging out, right?
	I'm like, hey, could you remind me how to pronounce your name?
	She did not like this.
	Bear in mind, this is like 10 minutes after having sex for the first time, right?
	She was very upset.
	How could you forget the pronunciation of my name?
	And it wasn't like I forgot her name.
	I wasn't like.
	No, I knew like the spelling.
	I knew the exact spelling.
	I just didn't know how to pronounce it.
	The shit has two different potential pronunciations.
	Cara, Kara.
	So I had, yes, I had a.
	And, oh, oh, okay.
	Jeez, I land the plane, Brian.
	Jesus Christ.
	English is my second language.
	I can't speak properly.
	We just, there was no subsequent.
	So, based solely on the fact that I butchered the pronunciation of her name, there wasn't.
	She used that as a pretext for us to not hang out.
	I gave her the ick.
	You know what's weird, though?
	Is like, was there a way you could have figured it out without having to ask her?
	I was about to say, like, a coffee or something.
	I don't know either.
	But, like, what, in which way did you need to know the name right away?
	Rachel.
	Hey.
	Yo, Rachel.
	Wait, you can pull that one up.
	Oh, sorry.
	I'll do it.
	I got it.
	Yo, Rachel, we'd love to have you on.
	You're dope.
	Your husband's awesome.
	So whenever you want, love to have you on.
	Your husband called me a lot of names, Rachel.
	There you go.
	He's a smart guy.
	What was the question?
	Oh, I was just saying, like, maybe, like, did you need to know it right then?
	Because you're just being honest and direct.
	Hey, how do you pronounce it?
	Is it Cara or Kara?
	But the, but, like, I might have, I'm maybe more cowardly than you.
	I would have just waited until like the next day and then tried to figure out.
	Maybe heard someone else say something.
	Was there another way to find it out?
	Probably.
	I feel like I'm a pretty direct person and just very straightforward and very to the point.
	So she might be against you on that.
	And I think I have pretty, well, I don't know.
	Do I have thick skin?
	Sometimes I get fucking salty on this podcast.
	I get super tilted on this podcast sometimes.
	So I don't know.
	Do I have to?
	I have a rule now where like no one can disrespect me even a little bit.
	So like for relationships, like I'll be assertive about it in non-relationships.
	But in relationships, it's like no chances.
	Like it's just telling to me.
	And if it's not telling, then like I don't really care to stick around to find out.
	So like if you were in that girl's side.
	If someone would do something to me that I wouldn't do to them, that's disrespect to me.
	And I don't know if she probably just had a different mindset.
	I'm not saying she's right.
	I'm just saying that could be an explanation.
	Like, I think that it's kind of a big reaction to a small thing, but maybe she just has a rule like that.
	Yeah, but maybe in her mind, she's like, I get why she'd be mad about that, but I don't know if it's a breakupable offense.
	But also, I just, in my mind, I was thinking, how would I navigate that?
	I don't think I'd ask.
	No, I would have thought that you forgot my name.
	Try to be creative.
	I'm incredibly like, oh, let me just say the pronunciation so I can get that name back.
	Just been like, is it pronounced like this or like this?
	Sorry.
	That's what he did do.
	Well, that's what he did.
	I don't think you're wrong.
	She knew.
	She might have taken it the wrong way.
	Taken it the wrong way and reacted a little more aggressively.
	Yeah, you don't care how anyone says your name.
	I really don't.
	He goes, me or Maya.
	And you still have an answer.
	You go, just say that.
	Yeah, because she's a normal person.
	I'm normal.
	I played basketball for eight years with one coach, and he literally only called me Maya.
	So I'm used to it.
	I mean, but I think that's an L for her.
	Like, we just fucked.
	I agree.
	you want to no longer we were otherwise having a good time and because i let's say i'm wrong Let's just assume jerk move to forget the name.
	Is that something that you is that forgivable?
	I think that's a good idea.
	Yeah, I think 100% forgivable.
	I should agree with you 100% on the situation.
	I was thinking how I would do it, and I go, I'm probably a coward to wait until the next day.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Well, it's always so funny.
	Like, women often say, oh, it's so important to communicate.
	I don't.
	Well, okay, hold on.
	This is me communicating like, sorry, I fucked up.
	I forgot how to pronounce your name properly.
	Blame your parents.
	They named you an ambiguously pronounced name.
	Like Kara Cara, huh?
	I don't know how to pronounce that shit.
	Honesty, there's a book called Honesty, I think, or Truth or something along those lines by Sam Harris.
	And he talks about how honesty is always the best solution.
	You can never find a solution.
	You can never find a solution.
	But there is, but there's a point, like, if someone says, what about if your wife is asking, do I look okay in this dress or something?
	No, I should just tell her.
	Right, but he was going, if her only motive is just she needs to hear something kind from you, then that's not really lying.
	You're just kind of going, you always look beautiful to me or something.
	You know, something like that.
	Like in that way.
	Because directness works in your advantage probably 99% of the time, I'm guessing.
	And then that was one of the scenarios where you're like, oh, shit, maybe this dregness.
	Does it change anything for you girls if it was like, let's say it was during sex?
	Like if he mispronounced your name during sex.
	If I wasn't.
	Like he's like pulling your hair and shit.
	He's in your ear talking all kinds of.
	You know.
	You know how it is, right?
	You learned about Brian.
	You know the guy.
	You know the game.
	Like, right?
	You know, he's.
	Okay.
	Brian's actually being honest.
	Bite your neck till it bleeds.
	No, I swear it was afterwards.
	I swear it was afterwards.
	But what if it was during?
	If it was during, because literally my name is always getting asked, I would genuinely not care.
	But if it was different where you and I, if I was her, you and I were together, let's say for a week, we had been seeing each other for a week or two by then.
	Then obviously it would be offended.
	I'd just be like, okay, you've heard me when we went to coffee or whatever it may have been.
	It was like, it was the second date.
	Then, yeah, then I wouldn't be offended.
	Maybe the, it was either second or third.
	And we'd only been talking for like two weeks or something.
	But also it's different if you said like someone completely different.
	Like if you said like a completely different name that was like, he fucking already goes, Brian.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's not like I called it.
	I know the spelling.
	I knew the spelling.
	It's not like I didn't know her name.
	It's not like I was like, Gertrude.
	Yeah.
	The more we talk about it, the more I'm on your side on this.
	Because you're like, listen, how, listen, we went on two dates.
	How many times have I said your name out loud?
	Yeah.
	We talked about a million things.
	I could tell you where you work.
	I could tell your opinion on this.
	I can tell you.
	But like, you don't say your name very much.
	So it's like, just remind me of the pronunciation.
	I could tell you a million things about you.
	Yeah.
	This is so cute.
	We're all agreed.
	Yeah, no.
	Well, I'm trying to keep.
	I feel like for five hours, it was like very intense.
	Or awesome.
	So, I hope the viewers don't mind that I'm just like taking a little breather, like just inserting a little levity into the conversation.
	And I know a lot of people tune in for like those heated, spicy moments, but I need to just decompress.
	I hope the chat doesn't mind.
	I'm just having like a kind of fun, light conversation because after that, girl, I need a decompression.
	Wasn't it great when Mia called her a cunt?
	Yeah, they got it.
	I'm like, okay, what are you talking about?
	That's my favorite.
	That's what he's the goat.
	The goat.
	Mia's the goat.
	Mia's the goat.
	That's why I said so much.
	Like, I was like, oh, this would have been bloves.
	Like, a guy would have fought her.
	Or would have fought if she was a boy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I like that no one knows her name.
	Like, she's so.
	She's like Voldemort.
	Bitch, who must be aware of her?
	I am God.
	I am God.
	Everyone in the chat is just like blonde bitch.
	Yeah.
	Sure.
	God was terrible tonight.
	Oh, my mom.
	Oh, shit.
	Oh, so you said from dating extremely successful people.
	And then there's more, but like, I just want to dive into that.
	So when you say from dating extremely successful people, what do you mean by that?
	I won't preface with like their earnings or anything of that sort because I don't think that's necessary.
	I think with success to me, it's more so of their development, where they are in life, whether happily or emotionally or even just business-wise, et cetera, education.
	With that being said, I've dated really great people.
	I wouldn't say, oh, they're the, what is it called?
	The high man or whatever, the high-value man.
	I would refer to them as that.
	Not everybody would, and that's obviously subjective.
	I think because of that, I've learned a lot about myself and I've learned a lot about the realm of my current history and my current, my current lifestyle with OnlyFans and all these things that I've done in my past, as well as being a younger girl.
	That doesn't necessarily hold me away from anything in life, whether it be this high-value man or even genuine relationships, emotional, etc.
	I'm grateful that I've actually had really great relationships with a lot of different people, both friends and emotionally and romantically, that I just have learned like this.
	Yes, this is my decision to continue this job and whatever it may be and do the choices that I've made in my life.
	But yeah.
	Sorry, that's no, no, I was laughing at this.
	Here, I'll pull it up just because thank you for the Australian needs some aftercare after that five-hour fucking fucking because I just can't imagine.
	I mean, to be fair, that this panel was interesting.
	It was like probably one of the more, like I said before, eventful panels that we've had.
	We had the pink girl going up.
	She was being not you, but the girl who's sitting there being obnoxious.
	You went and cried on the balcony.
	I'm just not trying to be mean.
	Just that.
	There's a lot.
	That was a moment.
	There was a lot.
	A lot that happened.
	A lot that happened.
	So wait.
	Okay.
	Dating.
	You said you've learned that my job has really opened my value in terms of knowledge and interest onto many others in those more successful positions.
	Oh, this would have been great if Andrew was here.
	Oh my gosh.
	Wait.
	Knowledge and interest onto.
	Oh, okay.
	I've learned that being an OnlyFans girl actually portrays me very differently than the assumed dumb young girl who is sexually selling her body for pennies with little to no education and no comprehension of the damage of their damage their digital past will do onto them.
	If anything, more intellectual men and women have acknowledged the power and knowledge it takes to build a charming character onto multiple platforms for the purpose of S work and sex labor, et cetera.
	I kind of went beyond.
	So, the first thing I want to acknowledge is: Jeff actually said, looking as a 40-year-old man, that you think that looking back onto past, there's always going to be regret.
	And I completely agree, and that's I can already see it on your face.
	I completely see that.
	And that's not to say that there isn't.
	And I know there's always going to be regret.
	I mean, I started when I was 18, I'm 21, and I have certain regrets.
	What I have acknowledged from dating either more intellectual people, older adults, or anything of that sort, somebody whom I see as higher value or successful or worthy of a real conversation, just like almost all of us have had really great conversations.
	I have learned that my decisions have actually opened other people's minds, which is very interesting.
	A lot of people have grown into having more introspective ideas in terms of what is sex work and what does it actually allude to, and what actually does it open up from?
	Does it also always conclude to damaging somebody's whole identity for the rest of their lives?
	In addition to that, how is it empowering?
	How is it not?
	And all these things.
	That's what I've learned from myself and learned from others having those conversations.
	I've aided a lot of people in opening their own minds to their own sexual desires and ideals and all that stuff.
	But I as well have had many conversations with people who are religious, who are not, and all these other things, older, younger.
	And with that, I've learned, one, to always value other people's opinions and not necessarily value them in the sense that they have to affect me, but holding true to every person's opinion has value and has a reasoning and has a perspective that comes from some sort of past or certain expectation or something that they've been taught.
	And that's helped me and aided me a lot in my own journey.
	And that's why I always conclude too.
	I've been able to learn a lot and I've also been able to teach a lot.
	that's a blessing at the end of the day I don't I'm sorry if I'm blabbering too much I have exhausted.
	Yeah, yeah, but I mean, so it sounds like you, okay, so you said you've learned that being an OnlyFans girl actually portrays you very differently than the assumed dumb young girl who's sexually selling her body for pennies with little to no education, no comprehension of some of the other stuff.
	If anything, more intellectual men and women have acknowledged the power and knowledge it takes to build a charming character onto multiple platforms for the purpose of sex work, sex labor.
	I mean, don't you think it's like it kind of sounds like cope?
	Yes, it definitely can be cope.
	And you're shaming women who don't do sex work, basically.
	No, no, sort of.
	That's what it sounds.
	I'm not trying to shame anybody that doesn't do sex work.
	I actually also agree that sex work is not a beautiful choice of work.
	What I was kind of alluding to in that phrase was more so that what was it?
	Could you repeat a little bit of it just so I can get well?
	You said that, if anything, more intellectual men and women have acknowledged the power and knowledge it takes to build a charming character platforms.
	So what I was kind of alluding to was a lot of times a lot of people think, okay, you're 18, you're young, you're 20, whatever age may be.
	You're starting an OnlyFans, you're starting pornography of any sorts.
	You're doing it because it's a means to an end.
	And in addition to that, it's just easy money.
	It's actually not.
	And it's really hard.
	Yes, it can be very lucrative, but that comes with a lot of efforts and energy and a lot of lost lessons.
	And that's something that I've learned.
	And I've actually worked on with so many other people, not just, let's say, other OnlyFans girls, not saying agencies, not saying any of that, even other people who are familiar with developing their own tech businesses, et cetera, and et cetera.
	Those conversations working with professionals in those different platforms and also even with just the technologicals, also having to portray your identity consistently all throughout different platforms, just as it is being a creative anything.
	That's what I've learned.
	And what's sharing that information of what I have to do daily to maintain my identity as an OnlyFans girl or maintain my identity overall as a creator.
	That's also helped a lot of people understand that, hey, it's not easy.
	Yes, you can get a dollar for showing your fucking holes, but you really have to attract more people.
	You have to build your market, all that thing.
	Not that it's easy.
	I do not think that it's something that anybody should just willingly, easily go into just because they think it's a means to an end because it's never going to end.
	Do you do any content?
	Sorry to cut you off there.
	Do you do any content too or no, like OF?
	You don't have OF, correct?
	I used to have OF.
	Oh, you used to.
	But you don't, correct?
	No.
	Wait, I have a question for you guys.
	So since having started doing OF, adult content, however you want to call it, do you guys think it has had either a negative, neutral, or positive impact on your romantic prospects or relationships?
	Definitely negative on my.
	I wasn't even posting any of like sexual content and it was just like lingerie stuff.
	Lingerie stuff.
	And I still got really bad backlash.
	I would say neutral.
	Neutral?
	For you?
	Oh, I know.
	I was just saying I've had both.
	Like I've had guys that I like not really interested to, but like started talking to and they would be like, oh, you have an OnlyFans whatever kind of weird about it.
	But I've also had people that are very like accepting and they're like, as long as you're just doing stuff with like me, like your relationship, whatever, like that's fine.
	So I've had both.
	But it's not clear to me if that's necessarily a positive.
	I think, well, for relationship-wise, like I, the people that I've dated and like had serious relationships with didn't care, but the negatives definitely come from men that subscribe to the OnlyFans, if that kind of makes sense.
	Yeah.
	Well, let me ask you guys a question.
	Do you think there are more men that would are there more men that see OnlyFans when it comes to a potential romantic partner?
	Are there more men that would see OnlyFans as a negative in the relationship or negative thing when it comes to potentially picking a partner?
	Or are there more men who are going to be like, I view a girl doing that as a positive thing?
	I would say, sorry.
	Go ahead.
	As if we're looking at the average man, so somebody that isn't involved in the Los Angeles world per se or the Miami worlds, I would say, yeah, it's obviously a negative.
	It's this woman who I'm interested in who is socially sharing all these images and portraying herself as XYZ.
	And obviously that's a negative.
	I think the reason I remain neutral, and I think that's kind of what she was saying, was because people who actually get to know ourselves and develop an actual relationship with us in addition to having known about our OnlyFans or later on finding out about them, discover, okay, this is only one identity with which they create content, they create whatever.
	And it's really just to make money.
	Yeah, it's like we're all just trying to survive.
	To survive.
	And I think that's where it becomes neutral.
	Nobody to my face and nobody even in my past has ever said I would never ever see her again.
	I would never do anything with her.
	I would never be with her because of her decision.
	I've actually gotten a lot of people to come back and just say, hey, I'm so very proud of you.
	Actual exes who have just said, I'm very proud of you.
	They're proud of you.
	Like proud of you.
	For starting on OnlyFans.
	Not for sharing OnlyFans, for building a business for myself, for building something at such a young age, like doing all the things that I did so early on and things that I was passionate for.
	Not that it's a positive.
	Like I'm saying, I really do not think that sex work should be normalized.
	Don't think it at all should be on TikTok where people are saying, This is my life as a sex worker and all these things.
	I think it's really sickening and it's really bad how organically we're sharing this and thinking that it's okay for the younger kids at all to ever interpret this as normal, even for older generations as well.
	We're normalizing it for everyone and it is not okay.
	Sure.
	I'm just trying to think, like, I don't know.
	Like, probably there's some guy out there.
	There's some guys out there that might view it as a pro for a girl to have OnlyFans, but I feel like for the vast majority of men, it's kind of the vast majority of men, I think it's going to be a negative.
	They're going to view it.
	It's going to lead to insecurities.
	I don't know if it's not.
	Not like in a negative way, but I don't know if it's necessarily insecurities, but I would say the vast majority of men are going to view that as a negative mark on you.
	And then there's a large portion of men, but less than the ones that will view it negatively.
	That it'll just be neutral.
	Butler donated $200 for the comedian with the high body cat.
	Feel that tingling on your balls.
	That's the onset of a deadly outbreak.
	This is the end.
	Oh, no, it's the end.
	Here, I'm going to send the asteroids.
	No, no.
	It's the end, according to Jay Butler.
	Why did Jay Butler not give me the good news sooner?
	Or the bad news sooner, I guess.
	That's really funny.
	He's too interested.
	Like, it has to be a kink.
	Like, right?
	Like, why else would you be insecure?
	Or a running gay.
	What's the name for the bug chasers?
	I've never heard of that.
	You guys have never heard of that?
	There's like some, it's like, it's probably a mental illness.
	There's a group of people that chase getting STDs.
	They're called bug chasers.
	They're called bug chasers.
	And I think this was something.
	Oh, no.
	I almost wonder if this is TOS.
	Wasn't this in the 70s?
	I think it might have been during the HIV thing with a certain bug chaser.
	I don't want to get into it.
	But apparently, are you saying that maybe he's a bug chaser?
	Are you saying Jay Butler's a bug up for that?
	He wishes I had herpes.
	What the hell?
	He's the one that's a doctor, right?
	Yes.
	Dad checks.
	I'm just kidding, Jay Butler.
	You're not a bug chaser.
	But I also don't have herpes because the world's listening.
	I'd like to make that clear.
	I just wonder, like, do you think, and I think to some degree there's some cope about, well, oh, if you're engaged, if you've done OnlyFans, then you're just going to be like a miserable cat lady.
	I actually think that's cope from men who look, I'm not in favor of like, and my preference would be to not date a girl who does OnlyFans, but I do think there's a strong cope from a lot of dudes of like, oh, these women are just going to be like lonely cat ladies.
	I do think they'll be fine.
	Yeah, dude, there's a lot of simps out there.
	But I also don't see them.
	Support it.
	But like, I think that they're not going to be cat ladies either.
	There's a lot of.
	I mean, I'm already a cat lady, so it's fine.
	Oh, boom.
	Sorry, you don't strike me.
	They can't ever be lonely if they're like surrounded by people.
	But I will say that.
	Like, why do you want your boyfriend to not cheat on you?
	Wait, what?
	I'm sorry.
	Why wouldn't you want your boyfriend to have a lot of other people that you're having sex with?
	You want it to be yours, right?
	So the same with OnlyFans or porn or any of the sex work.
	It's kind of the same thing.
	It's just a different level of that.
	I don't want guys seeing you naked.
	I don't want guys masturbating to you.
	I like to think this is for me.
	And that's all.
	It's pretty, you know, simple.
	I angry.
	It's not me going, what a dumb bitch.
	But it's me going, maybe.
	But I think Relationship comes into like your life.
	I think that's a conversation that you should have too.
	And that's about like maturity and being an adult.
	Like, I don't know why I keep going back to the holidays.
	But if I brought someone home for the holidays and my dad can just go to the computer and see the woman I love naked, I'd be mortified.
	Yeah, that's fair.
	Yeah, I've had relationships.
	Like I said, I'm not actively dating, but I've had relationships that come in after the fact, like after I started OnlyFans.
	And a lot of people will either say, oh, I didn't know that you did that, or I already knew.
	And even then, it doesn't offend me.
	It doesn't bother me.
	Obviously, they don't want to think about all these other people that might be doing whatever to your content.
	Obviously, nobody wants to think of that sometimes.
	I don't.
	Even then, because of that, what I've learned is a lot of that open communication, like you said, maturity, just open dialogue of just, hey, let's just not talk about it in certain times.
	Obviously, I'm not going to talk about it before I go to mass.
	Obviously, I'm not going to talk about it at the dinner table.
	Obviously, I'm not going to talk about it.
	Are you religious?
	I'm Catholic.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Oh, my God.
	Where's Andrew Wilson?
	Hold on.
	Oh, okay, okay.
	Like, whoa, I grew up.
	You're Catholic?
	You grew up Catholic.
	I grew up Catholic.
	Is that part of the OnlyFans character?
	No, I actually try to keep it separate entirely.
	I grew up Catholic.
	My mom is Mexican Catholic and like super religious.
	But are you Catholic currently?
	I say that I'm still Catholic.
	I don't necessarily practice actively.
	I just actually today went to a non-denominational Christian church for my friend to kind of accompany her, but I just didn't really feel connected.
	And quite honestly, I felt most connected to Catholicism.
	I also, like, I will say, like, my whole basis of religion is very distinctly different.
	My father grew up very atheist, said that we were Jewish at one point just because.
	So I practiced every fun family prank.
	Well, he said we're all Jewish.
	Yeah, he's like, well, because they're a separate mom would just be like, why?
	I want to come back to that, but here, let me just read this chat.
	Deaxium and people question abstinence.
	There you have it.
	And then we had this one, Deaxium.
	Hey, thank you for the big 200.
	By the way, just to let you know, if you do this via streamlabs.com/slash whatever, the 200, that'll trigger instant TTS.
	It'll come in instantly.
	And YouTube takes 30% of all YouTube-based super chat revenue.
	So if you do it through Streamlabs, for example, with this, first off, very grateful.
	Thank you very much, man.
	Appreciate it.
	If you do it through super, it's getting late here.
	I'm losing my train of thoughts.
	If you do it here, so YouTube has taken $60 of this.
	So if you want more of your patronage to go towards whatever instead of the YouTube mega corp, you could do it through Streamlabs.
	They take like three bucks per hundred.
	It's about three to four bucks per hundred.
	So a lot more of your patronage actually goes towards me instead of the pockets of woke mega corp YouTube.
	In any case, really appreciate your patronage, man.
	She who will not be named was an objective devil cultist.
	Satanists see themselves as gods.
	She was a deceptor and wanted everyone to hear her message.
	She was the antithesis of her message.
	True.
	Facts, dude.
	That's facts.
	I can't.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Shit's true, bro.
	Deaxium.
	That's a very good analysis, man.
	And then we had, let me get one more chat.
	We had Nickelodeon.
	He's maybe an hour behind.
	Who's the real P-word?
	The man that's attracted to 18-year-old women or the woman that has S in front of the camera, knowing a larger number of her clientele is teens.
	Click yes if you're 18, lol.
	Good argument.
	Excuse me.
	Got the hiccups.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Nickelodeon.
	By the way, Nickelodeon, I don't know if you know this here.
	I have the aggro crag from Nickelodeon Guts.
	How much?
	It's a real small one.
	It's a small one.
	I don't see OF blank as negative.
	I like showing off my wife who does OF, etc.
	But because I'm the one she comes home with, I don't mind body count experience.
	She knows what she's doing.
	2D BJs suck.
	Oh, gosh.
	Okay, there's a lot of points I could go into there.
	I think this probably used to be a debate people would have back in the day.
	Like, could you date a stripper or could you date a you know, like there's all those things?
	Like, I think some people just get jealous a lot easier.
	Dated an actress and she had a make out with this guy in a movie set.
	And I was just like, I have to watch the girl make it.
	She's just acting.
	And I was like, I had a problem with that.
	Let alone.
	I have a really fucking hot take here.
	And it's kind of a joke, but I'm going to say it.
	Men who like slutty women are secretly gay.
	Oh, wow.
	They're in denial because they want another man's cum by proxy.
	They want another man's cum in and around their mouth and dick.
	It's a real straight way to get it.
	It's kind of.
	They might be gay.
	I don't know.
	That's funny.
	That's like also a king.
	Huh?
	Like, just like being a cuck.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, when it comes to body count, right?
	Like, you got to think.
	So, so when it comes to, like, body count in this shit, right?
	Like, would you want to sleep with a girl who just got cummed inside of by another dude?
	But, like, how far do you extend that?
	10 seconds?
	No.
	10 minutes?
	No.
	At least these are my answers.
	One hour?
	No.
	Three hours?
	No.
	10 seconds, right?
	Oh, sorry, we're not answering.
	A fortnight?
	No.
	So, but also, why are you getting cumbed?
	Didn't you see that?
	What the fuck?
	Yeah.
	What?
	Did you guys read that chat?
	No.
	No, I didn't see it.
	What did it say?
	No, wait, no, it's not there.
	It said, hey, Brian, I'm very interested in you to be your tread wife.
	Oh.
	Oh, say it into the mic.
	I'm sorry.
	Hey, Brian, I'm very interested in you to be my trad wife.
	She wants to be your trad wife.
	Oh, I don't know.
	I get a lot of DMs, so I didn't see it pop up.
	She paid 50 bucks.
	No, I think it was only 10.
	Oh, it's a trad wife.
	Traditional wife.
	Trad.
	Traditional.
	My bad, my bad.
	But.
	That's a very nice offer.
	When it comes to, let me just see it.
	Oh, Nick.
	It was Dr. Clockwork.
	First off, I appreciate your patronage, man.
	Thank you.
	I just happened, I disagree with you a bit on this.
	He doesn't mind body count experience.
	Well, first off, I think you don't need to have a high body count to be good in the bedroom as a woman.
	You could have had one sexual partner, and that was your long-term boyfriend, and you guys had a bunch of sex and figured it out.
	Also, if you're a guy and you know what you're doing in the bedroom, you can take a girl who is a virgin and has never had sex, or even a girl who's maybe hooked up once or twice but hasn't had a long-term boyfriend, and she doesn't, even though she's not virgin, she's had sex like only one, two, three times.
	You can have really good sex with her if you most women like guys to take the lead.
	So I don't know.
	Yeah, it doesn't necessarily mean they're experienced.
	Yeah, yeah.
	For sure.
	Also, if you haven't been out whoring around, you wouldn't even know the difference.
	You would just be like, yeah, this feels fucking great.
	Like, sex is pretty enjoyable that way.
	Like, who are you?
	Like, who are you going home and going, whoa, this is terrible sex?
	Like, I've never had that.
	I've never once been upset.
	She'd have to hit me with a rock or something for me to be upset about sex.
	Oh, no.
	He mentioned Toothy BJ too.
	I mean, like, I don't know.
	What matters more than a girl who sucks a dick well, like, I think there's like sex isn't that big of a like.
	Obviously, you want to have good sex, but frankly, so long as a woman is enthusiastic and open-minded and Likes you or loves you, you can have like, I don't know, bro.
	You can have good sex with her.
	That's what Angel would call a simp comment.
	Maybe not even the toothy blowjob thing.
	Oh, okay.
	Or to be like, yeah, dude, my girl, she's the best at this because she does it all day to other people.
	Like, I think what's going to be a bigger turn on, it's not like the way in which a girl can like maneuver her hips while on top of me or like her Gluck Luck 9000, whatever the fuck.
	It's like, you want to, like, honestly, things you do outside of the bedroom or just your general demeanor is what's going to turn me on or be attractive.
	Like, if she loves you to death and she's your ride or die, she has your back.
	She's going to take care of you.
	Like, I don't know.
	There was a woman I used to hang out with in San Diego.
	I'm maybe sharing a little too much here.
	But, like, after shows, people want to hang out.
	And they want to, like, oh, we're hanging with a comedian or we're drinking with a comedian or blah, blah, blah.
	Or maybe they're sexually interested.
	You know, the party goes on for whatever.
	There's a girl that I would hang out with every single time.
	And people would be like, why her?
	Like, you always pick her.
	You always hang out with her.
	She's just nice.
	She doesn't give me shit.
	If there's another girl over there, she's not like, who are these girls you're talking to?
	Like, if I'm not talking to her in that exact moment.
	I've got a question for you on this.
	And she's also very hot, which helps.
	But I'm saying that, like, she, I think of her, every single time I think about like what I'd want in like a girlfriend.
	Let me ask you a question.
	So remember the girl who's sitting here who we kicked off.
	Let's pretend she was like a 10 out of 10 in looks, but with her personality.
	Yeah.
	Would you rather date her?
	Whoops, sorry, or date like an average chubby girl who's awesome personality.
	Yeah, that's what, yeah, personality.
	I want to pick average chubby girl.
	Yeah, for sure.
	I think women undervalue that.
	Not you.
	Not you.
	And they overvalue the like, like a lot of girls, especially this, I'm a, I like funny women, right?
	But women will be like, I'm hilarious.
	And they do that shit that she was doing, where like she thinks by like over talking or being really opinionated about a thing or or being like, oh, really?
	You sure about that?
	Or like bingo or like all the little like bullshit that she tried to do.
	She thought she was being very funny.
	Yeah.
	You know, like, oh, surprise, surprise.
	Like when you would say a thing, like just all of that kind of stuff makes you garbage to me.
	And not a word based.
	Based.
	Let's see here.
	What else did I have?
	Oh, more notes.
	Oh, right.
	Okay.
	So, oh, no, no, no.
	It was the OF thing.
	Oh, I had this epiphany when it comes to OF, right?
	I have a question for you guys.
	Have you guys ever or currently had a management company running your OF?
	Previously?
	Yeah, I tried.
	Previously?
	You've never?
	No.
	Do you guys previously or currently or both have a typer?
	Do you guys, you know what that is?
	Like someone that responds to that.
	Somebody who responds to the message on your behalf?
	Yes.
	You've had that?
	Did you ever have that?
	I'm not sure if I get right now.
	I'm actively the one that has to message, so I'm not.
	You don't have a typer?
	No.
	If you did, though, do you think you would admit to it?
	I mean, we've had women on the show who are like, no, I send all the messages.
	I think.
	And it's like, no, you don't.
	If I did have the typers, I definitely would say, like, hey, like, let's be fucking for all.
	Like, yeah, it's not me, you know?
	But I think the way that I carry myself with them, it's like, it's so interpersonal that I would have to share that.
	Like, hey, I'm hiring elsewhere because I just can't do it.
	I just want to do a disclaimer here.
	If a girl did have a typer, so basically on OnlyFans, there's messaging back and forth.
	A lot of these girls have a management company.
	They have some dude and fucking the Philippines or something or somewhere.
	I don't know.
	Fucking sending messages.
	Exactly.
	Just terrible job.
	If they did have a typer, they would certainly not publicly admit to it.
	But well, some people would be cheap.
	That's why they don't have a typer.
	Yeah.
	Because they just don't want to have to hire them or pay them.
	I guess they can make you more money, though.
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	But I'm trying to think here.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	So you don't have a typer?
	What you don't have a typer?
	You do.
	I've never done any fans.
	Was it a dude?
	Yeah, it was a guy.
	It was a dude.
	Oh, no.
	So keep this.
	Bear in mind.
	So a typer, right?
	When you're on OnlyFans and you're a dude and you're subbing to these girls, typing to them, you're like sexting a dude.
	What the fuck, bruv?
	Yeah.
	And they're pretending to be, you're sexting a dude who's pretending to be a chick.
	How much was he in the U.S. or was it like outsourced to like India or some shit?
	No, it was in the U.S.
	Oh, it was in.
	Okay.
	And he had like a 30% cut.
	That's a lot.
	Was he good with the dirty talk?
	Yes, I was like, oh my God, I do not talk like this.
	that job just so that's gotta be like was he a gay guy or a straight guy A straight guy.
	And he was really, oh my God.
	I think that's top five worst jobs I've ever heard.
	There's swarms of straight dudes.
	Sexting dudes via OnlyFans, and it's their job.
	That'd be my nightmare.
	Well, so I have a theory on this.
	Hold on, let me just, I'll wait till our good friend Maya is back here.
	Mia.
	Mia.
	Whoops.
	Fuck.
	My bad.
	Sorry.
	Oh, so, okay, here's my theory, right?
	On why it's not the best or suboptimal, no offense, ladies, to date a girl who does OnlyFans.
	And I actually acknowledge all the arguments from a lot of men make that, okay, it's digital footprint.
	Your nudes are out there, your boys are going to clown on you, it could lead to your future kids getting bullied.
	I think those arguments are totally valid, but I actually think there's an argument that's a step above, and it relates to the typing thing.
	So, and again, I realize not all OnlyFans girls have typers, but I would argue, for example, maybe you don't have a typer, but maybe you're not going to be straightforward about the fact that you have a boyfriend, and you might be saying to these guys on OnlyFans, oh, I'm single, right?
	I don't know if it's the case for you, but there's probably certainly women out there who are representing themselves as single, and these men think you're single, and they're actually trying to romantically pursue you by, I guess, being simps, which is a, that's an L. Don't get me wrong, I blame the men for being simps and doing this.
	But this actually occurred to me the other day.
	One of the bigger reasons that I think men should be perhaps cautious, hey, don't hate me here.
	When it comes to dating women involved, I actually think, okay, it might actually be more on just this front, probably better to date.
	Ah, fuck.
	I don't know if I'm.
	Never mind.
	Okay, okay.
	Hold on, hold on.
	No, no, no.
	I'll just stick to the point.
	So these men, hold on.
	Let me see.
	How do I want to properly articulate this?
	Okay.
	So a lot of the women who do OF, they're going to lie about their relationship status.
	They're going to lie about the fact that they respond to their chats, aka they have typers, and they might just lie in general to get attention, right?
	So if it hurts your bottom line to misrepresent about the fact that you have a typer, because you probably didn't tell the guys, by the way, it's a dude texting you right now.
	Probably, so they thought they probably had a good faith, reasonable belief that they were talking to you, but they weren't.
	So, you've basically engaged in what my view is a deception, a misrepresentation, a fraud.
	And I actually do think that this could, like, if a girl has a typer and she is representing that you can chat with me, but actually it's some dude in Bangladesh, that's not what the guys are paying for.
	And so, technically, I think it's fraud.
	Like, it's actually could be criminal.
	So, I think a lot of women who it's not just, oh, your nude images are out there on the internet.
	You're basically like engaged in to some degree criminality, misrepresentation, lying, fraud.
	And that does not make for a good long-term relationship partner.
	And so, because you're becoming skilled in the arts of deception and misrepresentation, I agree.
	You lie about, you lie.
	If you have a boyfriend, you're going to hide it.
	You're not going to say it.
	You're going to say you're single.
	It's basically a romance scam.
	This is like, this was literally light bulb.
	This never occurred to me.
	But a lot of OnlyFans, and I don't know if you guys saw that thing with Ruby Rose, this dude who spent, this dude who spent $70,000 on Ruby Rose with this expectation that he was maybe going to have the chance to date her.
	Look, I don't know what his, there's probably a lot more to the story, but a lot of these guys build these parasocial, and I blink, don't get me wrong, I don't think it's entirely women's fault.
	Like, you dudes should not be spending, no offense, ladies, I know this is how you make your money.
	Dude should not be fucking spending all this money on OnlyFans girls.
	Yeah.
	Like it's some sim shit.
	No offense.
	I know that's hurting you.
	Yeah.
	I have an actual job.
	I don't know.
	Oh, okay.
	Sure.
	But so they, there's this like created parasocial relationship to fleece lonely men for money.
	And so to me, it occurred, like, it's kind of a romance scam because these men think they're spending, they're investing this money into a relationship when I don't know.
	I mean, I don't think anyone disagrees.
	Because it's literally, I think it, like, let's, let's put it this way.
	We could sue these ladies?
	Is that what you're saying?
	It might actually.
	Sorry, I haven't.
	But like, okay, here.
	No, but I actually think it's like meets the actual legal definition of either false advertising or fraud.
	Because well, sure, but if you're saying, for example, on your OnlyFans, I respond to chats and I'm message with me.
	I don't have a management company, even though they do.
	I don't have a typer, even though they do.
	And the guy is paying money in order to have access to you and to be able to type with you, but it's actually a dude, and they're not actually getting the prod, like the advertised product.
	It's false advertising, and it's, I don't know if it's civil fraud or criminal fraud, but you're making them do gay stuff, you know?
	Wow, that's that's like kind of grapey almost.
	Yeah, you're almost like forcing these dudes to be like you're basically forcing them to be groomed.
	Yeah, you're making gay guys out there.
	Oh my gosh.
	They don't even know.
	I have a question.
	I'm getting sleepy.
	How much are you doing?
	We're going to wrap.
	We're going to wrap it.
	Just five minutes.
	Five minutes here.
	It makes my eyes water when I see it.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Let's see here.
	Hold on.
	Sleepy.
	Sleeping somewhere.
	One sec, guys.
	How am I going to get home?
	I guess I'll stay here.
	What the fuck?
	Anyways, I don't know.
	Oh, wait, hold on.
	Oh, here, I was going to pull this up.
	I just saw it.
	I was preemptively waiting for it to come up.
	Infinite singularity: romance scams involve deceit for financial benefit, exploiting trust.
	Falsifying personal details on OF for financial gain is a form of deceit that exploits trust.
	Therefore, falsifying details on OF is akin to engaging in a romance scam.
	This person's smart.
	Very smart.
	Infinite singularity.
	I've seen them in the chat many times.
	And also, Wingman, W Wingman, in the, you know, because for that one episode, Wingman.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay, Mia.
	Hold on.
	We have a few more notes, and I promise I'm going to wrap here.
	You said that you've been sought after more for your success as an entrepreneur, as opposed to my appeal for being a sexual adult model on public display.
	Oh, my sweets, so much child.
	Oh, my gosh.
	No, okay, so that might be taken into a different context.
	I will admit, I was very exhausted after when I wrote these messages.
	Okay.
	Not that that's like any advantage of anything.
	I just was writing really fast.
	From that, my perspective was with a lot of different people whom I've been sought after either romantically or just even friendship-wise, a lot of the time, instead of just saying, oh, like she knows what the fuck she's doing in bed, I actually get the opposite of, well, you actually like built your own business.
	How did you do that?
	Just the interest, the excitement of just this is so distinctly different.
	Obviously, it's not a normal occupation.
	I don't think it should be normalized.
	But I get that interest a lot of the time.
	Not that I even partake in it because reasonably I still find it deceitful.
	A lot of the time when they see an OnlyFans girl, they're always going to say, I can get her in bed immediately.
	They cannot, obviously.
	They cannot?
	No, I don't sleep around, but I just think it's very interesting.
	Like, a lot of the time, maybe it is deceit, but I will say just a lot of the time people who interact with me and try to engage with me of any form typically highlight that they're just incredibly interested in just the overall successes that I've developed with my business and how it kind of.
	Can I give you some game?
	Let me give you some game, though.
	Okay.
	I'm looking out for you here.
	Let me ask, and you probably already know this, but maybe the dots haven't been connected.
	Do men lie to get laid?
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	Do men flatter to get laid?
	Absolutely.
	So you say that you're sought after more for your success as an entrepreneur.
	I'm saying this is as a whole.
	But like, even in platonic friendships, people flatter each other to some end.
	What I would say, though, when it comes to the men who are romantically interested in you, they want to fuck you.
	Of course.
	They want to hit it.
	Maybe they want to stick around.
	Who knows?
	But they definitely want to hit it.
	And so they're going to be like, oh my God, you're so successful.
	I mean, that's what I got outside.
	I love that for you.
	I love that for you.
	It's just, you're so ambitious.
	I'm just like, you're, look, you're attractive, but like, forget that.
	I'm just so impressed by your success in your career.
	If a guy, if those words ever leave a dude's mouth, he's full of shit.
	Absolutely.
	Don't believe him.
	He, I mean, all the dudes want to fuck you, probably, but he's trying to fuck you.
	Oh, no, absolutely.
	And I don't know if you know about dudes.
	Oh, I do.
	But they will say, they will try to flatter you.
	Of course.
	They will say literally.
	No, and that's true.
	You try to do it.
	I don't engage with it typically, but what I have noticed is even then with the people who aren't necessarily doing it romantically, it's more of just an aid.
	Wow, this is amazing what you're doing.
	Not in a flattering way where it's like romantic and I'm gonna get some sexual appeal out of it.
	From these men, from these, not necessarily men.
	Like, I wouldn't get cancelled.
	Also, news flash: all the dudes want to fuck you.
	Oh, absolutely.
	That's why I was open with, hey, we should fuck.
	Wait, wait, is that what you said?
	No, okay.
	No, what I'm saying is, like, a lot of times I've actually been reached out to because of that, and not from those agencies or anything like that.
	What do you mean, reached out?
	Reached out to you in terms of like people just want to have a real conversation with me because it's interesting.
	One, the conversation of just how do we build that.
	Guys want to have conversations.
	Not guys.
	I'm talking anybody, not just men, women as well.
	But in addition, people DM you just to like, I want to.
	It's like out of front, out of like acquaintances that I have, things like that.
	So it's you like that, though.
	Yeah, but regardless, I've had a lot of people that say just I want to win.
	If it's men, they want to fuck you.
	If it's men, they want to fuck you, though.
	I'm very proud of that.
	Yeah, but that's the other, that's the other fugazi is there are these dudes, and I criticize men on this too.
	There's dudes who will like pretend to like be the friend, try to be like friendly with the hopes that down the line you're gonna want to fuck.
	Of course, that's maybe accusing me of oh shit.
	He was.
	There you go.
	I agree.
	I agree entirely.
	I'm not agreeing with that by any means.
	I'm just explaining.
	But like, if any dude is like, oh, wow, your college degrees, oh my god, that's so hot.
	No, it's fucking you played waterpolar.
	It's the finesse.
	It's the finesse.
	Oh my god, I can't.
	Oh my god, you got a calm degree.
	Oh my god.
	It's also fun to believe compliments.
	I like good ones or real ones.
	Like realistic ones, yeah.
	Genuine ones.
	Men are really not attracted to your intelligence.
	No, I intelligence is different, but I would say that when it comes to your financial success, when it comes to your academic or career achievements, when it comes to your status, frankly, men don't give a fuck.
	No, they don't.
	And if they do, I would argue like a guy who's like really preoccupied with your status, he might just be fucking clout chasing or he might be a bum who wants to use, like, he wants to.
	There's definitely like dudes who will, what they're calling, some girl said the hobo sexual.
	Like they're broke and they want to like, there's a lot of girls making money.
	I've heard of that.
	I've heard of that.
	And you probably successful.
	You probably make good money, right?
	So they're like, okay, I'm going to crash at her place.
	And I slang good dicks.
	So she'll stick around.
	Have you had that with a guy?
	No.
	Like a good dick slanger, and you're like, okay, I guess he can live with me.
	I think, honestly, he's a dick smith.
	I've never really let guys and Lat Easily, and even if I do have the conversation or like have a relationship with somebody, it's not like, oh, I'm going to just support.
	I don't support people just out of my kindness.
	Not yet.
	Have any of you guys had that?
	Oh, yes.
	He left with me.
	He didn't want to be any girls.
	Oh, really?
	Yes.
	And I was like, I've heard that it's so common.
	And I don't have any judgment towards it.
	Would you call him a boat?
	What was he?
	Hobo dick.
	Hobosexual.
	Yes, definitely.
	Yeah, you had a hobosexual.
	He did not want to offer to pay for anything.
	And I was like, well, you're literally in my apartment.
	Scott.
	The same guy that your ex or no.
	not the nurse ex.
	Oh, no, that guy was also a nurse.
	Yeah.
	No.
	No, he was like 21.
	I was like 23 when this all happened.
	And he was like ready to move in.
	And I was like, no, yeah, they were in a relationship.
	And then, yeah, I paid for everything.
	And yeah, he was comfortably playing his video games.
	Oh, I wanted to go move on from this.
	So you said that I think modern dating has been so crazy.
	It's based off sexual releases and having multiple partners over actually seeking real relationships, loving, mature, emotional, and filled with lessons.
	I even changed my own dating life due to this scheme of multiple partners.
	By removing myself from having physical relationships with most anyone, you've learned to support polyamorous relationships while being Catholic because of the dynamic that is becoming modern dating.
	So you support.
	I've interrupted myself.
	So I've learned a lot about Let's Go from the back end.
	I learned a lot about polyamorous relationships.
	I understand why people have these separate desires.
	I understand, especially with my job, sexual desires is literally all you deal with all day.
	And so I've began to understood the reasoning behind why people desire so many partners, why people think that they are comfortable and more acceptable with a relationship in which they can have a separate partner, in addition, a romantic relationship, or many.
	Poly.
	I think, in addition to that, for my own personal relationships, I strive to actually not really have too many, especially no physical relationships, because I've really just never encountered a sustainable relationship from what's going on in modern dating.
	Modern dating consists of rosters, multiple partners, all these things.
	Not that that's necessarily bad at all.
	Have you had that?
	Have you had a roster?
	I've had it when I was in the start of my college years, and that was.
	Where did you go to college?
	I went to Cal Poly Pomona.
	So where she goes right now?
	Cal Poly Pomona.
	Oh.
	So I went there.
	Sorry.
	I try to say it fast because it's not a great school from my perspective.
	Wait, when you had a roster, how many guys were on the roster?
	I think I want to say like four guys.
	I wasn't crazy.
	Anybody else had a roster?
	Roster?
	No.
	Roster check.
	She just said that she was like dating, but that was all it was on the show.
	Roster check.
	It's like, I have a favorite.
	Sorry, I have a favorite.
	And then I just have like some guys that are just like around and like we hang out, but it's like very like my favorite.
	It's like, yeah, I'll just come over to your house.
	But like either way.
	Did you smash?
	No, only one.
	Oh.
	Because I feel like if I'm fulfilled with one, which, yeah, whenever I'm fulfilled by the first guy, I never want to.
	I'm just hanging out with the dudes.
	Yeah, I mean, well, it's like I don't know them very well.
	So it's like to them, they're like, oh, she's just like a little bit more conservative with it.
	A conservative threesome.
	Okay.
	Yeah, every once in a while they get it.
	Have you had a roster?
	No.
	Never?
	No.
	Come on.
	No, it's like I dated one and then that doesn't work out.
	Sure.
	What about you?
	Roster?
	I think I'm out of that.
	Is that like talking to multiple people at like one?
	Hooking up with it could be hooking up.
	It could be there's one guy.
	There's one.
	I've got to like multiple people at once, but they were all aware of each other.
	Like I never kept it from anyone.
	Yeah.
	Wait, okay.
	So you're Catholic, but like how do you reconcile?
	Again, you said you learn to support polyamorous relationships while being Catholic because of the dynamic.
	Like, so how do you, again, how do you reconcile your faith with the fact that you do sex work?
	I reconcile.
	Isn't this a sin?
	Isn't that a sin?
	It is sin.
	It's a sin.
	Yeah, like I said.
	So you have to, if you want to be true to your Catholic faith, don't you have to delete your OnlyFans right now?
	Not necessarily.
	What do you mean, not necessarily?
	Well, okay, okay, from my interpretation.
	What's your interpretation of that?
	My interpretation is obviously we can have confession, which is with the priest and confessing to the sins and reconciling with trying to correct them and behave properly.
	But my understanding is it's not like you can't just like continuously sin.
	You have to like.
	Of course.
	But what I'm trying to say is I have a very different dynamic of my interpretation of my religion.
	Because, like I said, I grew up with a father that was completely atheist, agnostic at times, and then went back and forth and pitter-pattered with all that.
	So I have a distinctly different interpretation.
	It's something that my family has succumbed to and they understand and they are fine with.
	And I do completely believe in my faith and certain aspects, but I as well don't believe in everything.
	I don't necessarily believe that I had to save myself for marriage.
	Obviously, I've had 10 partners or any of those other things.
	Like, those more stricter regulations with.
	I'm 103.
	That's the real number.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	My finger slipped.
	My button.
	The Catholic faith.
	I hold myself to the strict standard of obviously believing in Christ, believing in God, believing in just the whole dynamic of that biblical scripture and all that.
	But I don't necessarily hold myself to, I have to do this exactly to the Catholic rules because that's not even what I was ever taught from my parents.
	Although I did go to Catholic school, although I did attend Mass and all these things.
	Okay, all right.
	Well, I'm not going to.
	Okay.
	Oh, also, your Twitter reads, Catholic, by the way.
	Your favorite slutty Latina girlfriend.
	And you do BG, correct?
	I do.
	Has it been with just one guy?
	Just with one.
	What's your current guy girl?
	No, I'm not a college person.
	I don't know what you do either.
	You do girl girl too?
	I did previously.
	Isn't that also probably not totally in line with Catholic?
	Okay.
	So boy girl, girl, girl.
	Okay.
	Good times.
	All right, cool.
	I'm Jewish and I do all this.
	But Judaism is chill.
	Wait, what?
	Judaism is like way more chill.
	Yeah, like we have this.
	Well, I guess there's like Orthodox.
	Oh, they're not chill, but like most Jews are like hella chill because our God is like not like that mad.
	Wait, well, hold on.
	But the Old Testament is like super intense.
	Yeah, but like Jewish people are chill.
	Like you can go into a synagogue and be like, I'm Jewish, I don't believe in God.
	And they're like, let's talk about it.
	Yeah.
	Because it's about the exploration of it, you know?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Any final thoughts from anybody before we wrap up the show?
	Yeah, that girl was fucking crazy.
	Yeah.
	I'd like to say that 99.99999% of people, when they say Christ-like, they're referring to, you know, kindness, not when Jesus held a whip once.
	Thank you.
	I think you knew what I meant when I said Christ-like.
	I don't know why I'm holding on to that.
	Okay.
	I'm afraid to be in the general area for the next eight days.
	Like, she's like.
	I'm not going to lie.
	That did kind of worry me because she asked previously where I was staying, and I was like, what the fuck?
	I only said like of the side, but I just scary demon.
	Like, she's so.
	And we insulted her, and she's just out in the fucking world.
	And you know what she had to do?
	We're excited.
	Jesus, remember?
	Yeah.
	I mean, if anything, I'm the one that like talked mad shit to her and like kicked her off the show.
	And she knows, I don't know if you live here.
	Oh, my God.
	I'm forever.
	She knows a place that you are.
	Oh, my God.
	Well, more than anything, she's just going to spin this as like, they were like obsessed with me.
	And after I left, they kept talking.
	Like, she's just more likely going to, you know, run with me.
	I think she's probably spinning this in that house.
	She trolled the fuck out of the way.
	Yeah, I bet she's super, super, super, super insecure.
	I bet she's super insecure.
	Yeah, that was all.
	What's it?
	I hope that Peter is afraid of Peter's not real.
	R.I.P.'s in the free Peter.
	Hashtag free Peter.
	Can we get that trending?
	So, yeah.
	Oh, wait.
	Hold on.
	Let me pull up some of the chats.
	One sec, guys.
	We have Stochastic Decay to quote God, bingo.
	Bingo.
	Bingo.
	We should add that to the soundboard.
	It's just Jeff.
	1 John 39 ESV.
	No one born of God makes practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.
	That's from just Jeff.
	Oh, and then stochastic to K. Can someone check in on this call?
	Thank you, man.
	Any other final thoughts from anybody?
	Any final thoughts?
	Did these all get pulled up?
	Yeah, I just pulled.
	Pull up that one from Jessica.
	She already posted a story on IG saying she has so much intel on them.
	What?
	That's so scary.
	Let's see.
	That's so scary.
	Let's see her post.
	Can we bring that up?
	This is obsessive.
	No, I don't.
	We're not going to pull that out.
	She wants our attention.
	You're fine.
	Don't worry about it.
	Women don't do violent acts, apparently, so it's fun.
	God, if somebody breaks into the windows, guys.
	I've been hella blackmailed before.
	That's like how they act.
	I just've never met somebody that openly, so openly shares all the things that they've done.
	Yeah, like that.
	Like, no preface either.
	Like, when I said I did bad things, I was like, I don't do them anymore.
	I know it was bad.
	Are we looking for this post?
	Let's see if she's messaged me.
	I don't know what her name is, so I can't even like.
	I don't know either.
	Whatever.
	Trying to.
	Sorry, one sec, guys.
	I'm just double checking.
	Oh, can we pull up Twitch?
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow and a prime sub.
	Thank you guys so much for all of you who have.
	Oh, Bulikozilla.
	Thank you for the five community sub gifts.
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	Thank you guys.
	appreciate it um i'm trying to think if there's oh anything else Did you want to do that last Twitter post?
	Was there a Twitter post?
	I'll save it for.
	I'm going to save it for another show.
	Shit, there's one thing I wanted to talk about, but I totally forgot what it was.
	Hold on, guys.
	Shit.
	Sorry.
	One sec, guys.
	Sorry, guys.
	I'm just trying to get this pulled up.
	It's not pulling up.
	Wait, it was something to do with, oh.
	Did you consider yourself a feminist?
	I forgot.
	No, I said it.
	Wait, who believes in the patriarchy?
	I don't even know what that is.
	You don't?
	I believe in that.
	You're a good person.
	You believe in that?
	I literally don't know what that means.
	You believe in that?
	Don't worry about it.
	I don't want to.
	Did you say you're a feminist or?
	Minorly, yeah.
	Wait, what?
	Minorly.
	Minorly a feminist.
	Okay.
	I mean, I'm a radical.
	I'm not the most feminist.
	She dabbles in Catholicism.
	Wait, what's that?
	Feminism.
	You know, I mean, you heard all my opinions.
	You know, I'm not the most feministy feminist that there ever has been.
	Kind of a feminist.
	So you're a feminist.
	Do you believe in the patriarchy?
	Do you think that women?
	What is the patriarchy?
	It's systems both social and politically that have been in place, been put in place that just systematically, even social systems, systematically oppress all women.
	That's what the patriarchy is?
	I mean, that's my understanding.
	I just genuinely have no idea what it is.
	That eloquently about, like, if you gave me a piece of paper and told me to write a paragraph, I could probably do better.
	But that's basically my gist.
	Okay.
	You know, and I'm not saying, like, it's also, there's no absolutes in these arguments, which is worth mentioning.
	So women are oppressed.
	Yes.
	What is the patriarchy to you, if you don't mind?
	I mean, there's various different definitions.
	I've heard very you can ask 10 feminists and they'll all give you 10 different answers as to what the patriarchy is.
	I mean, I've heard the patriarchy is a society built by men for the benefit of men.
	Now, using that definition, I agree with the first part.
	Society in the world has absolutely been built by men.
	Yeah.
	Not for the benefit of men, though.
	So I don't think there's like this grand conspiracy among men.
	Like, yeah, let's oppress women.
	No.
	I think most people choose to achieve, they choose to occupy positions of power.
	They want to, at least they want to reach those positions of power, not to like oppress women, but they do it to better themselves financially and for the sake of their family.
	Like men aren't out there.
	Yeah, I want to wake up at five in the morning and go like do some like physically laborious task for 12 hours so I can oppress women.
	No, they're doing it so they can provide for their girlfriend, for their wife, and for their family and for their kids.
	It's not a thing where there's a guy and he hates women and he's going to tell her and then he's going to make her pay for it.
	It's just like how we're socialized so that, like, for instance, I think that women are worse drivers and I think that's because we don't develop the same fine motor skills that men do from video games and sports.
	Ways like that.
	That's pretty sexist.
	I don't think that's part of patriarchy at all.
	Wow, are you saying that?
	Do you hate women?
	Is that what you're socialized?
	I was not socialized to play video games to place women.
	You're so misogynistic.
	No one encouraged that.
	That's so misogynistic of you to say that.
	I'm really offended.
	How dare you?
	It's kind of a funny opinion.
	Also, because you're short of a bit of a person who cares as much.
	Word?
	Okay, so you're curbs because you're lower in the middle.
	So do you think women are oppressed in the U.S.?
	Are women oppressed?
	Yeah.
	Less so than they have been.
	But so you're a woman, so I'm curious, are you oppressed?
	Yeah, I mean, it's not like a everyday, I'm struggling type of deal, but in ways, yes.
	Okay, so how are you oppressed?
	Like, I'll go to class and I'll be working on a project and I'll think my project's okay and I'm working on it.
	And the guy next to me, he sees I make a mistake and now he's just cheating on me.
	And he's cheating on no one.
	Like I can tell that it's very targeted.
	And then I walk, I like the one time I walked in his room and then he took both my wrists and pinned me up against his bed just as like a flirting tactic.
	Or one time he grabbed my throat because I made a joke about how he was.
	Yeah, and it wasn't like traumatic.
	It was just like, yeah, this man is like insulting me and he's touching me physically when I don't want it.
	It wasn't like traumatic, but it was just kind of like.
	What the fuck?
	It was like, I have to go to school and deal with this and it makes me feel like I'm not as good at school.
	The fuck?
	You know, shit like that.
	It's like, it's crazy.
	It's not you.
	It's not you.
	It's just, there's people that do that.
	That's a smaller asshole.
	Yeah, that guy shit.
	But it's like he acts like that because his father acted like that, like his father before him.
	You know, I'm not saying all men.
	I'm not sure if that's evidence of your oppression, though.
	I don't think that's appropriate behavior, but I don't think you're oppressed because some guy's a douchebag.
	It's everything that happens to women that wouldn't happen to a man.
	That would happen to a man, too.
	What?
	I think what you can validate as oppression, which I'm not even saying is entirely true, is obviously the notable pay difference between men and women.
	Typically, men are in the position of CEOs, owners, and all of that, which may conclude to erroneous!
	Erroneous!
	So, so sorry, my finger slipped.
	My bad.
	Which is obviously what may conclude to women receiving lesser pay, all that thing.
	In addition to that, when it comes down to representation, especially with movements, obviously, Me Too concludes a majority woman.
	So, obviously, with things like that, that can be an oppression where men instead say they're going to degrade the idea of the Me Too movement, just for instance, and say, Oh, it's always woman, it's always woman, and all these things, and that's an oppression against women once again.
	If that patriarchy exists, I'm not stating that it does.
	I think there's lots of other positions that can be held, but well, okay, let's first let's let's tackle the wage gap thing.
	So, the wage gap has been debunked.
	There is no wage gap.
	How much do you make per month?
	Just curious.
	I don't like to share that public.
	Do you make five figures a month?
	Let's say that.
	Have you ever made six figures in a month?
	Yes.
	Okay, so that puts you in the top 1% of earners in the United States.
	So, you out, I would say that if you've made six figures in a month in that given month, you've out-earned a probably 99% of the men.
	And a female-dominated industry.
	Also, why is it the case you work in OnlyFans, for example?
	Why is it that I think do you think we should equalize the gender wage gap in OnlyFans?
	Because if you're a guy on OnlyFans, men make far less money.
	There's far less opportunity for men to make money in that realm.
	So, do you think that there should be equal pay in OnlyFans?
	Obviously, there is no equal pay in OnlyFans, because if there was, then obviously I would say yes, I think that we should equally get a payment.
	But unfortunately, it is literally so personal and so particular.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Do you think that, and all the girls can weigh in on this?
	For example, women in sports.
	Do you think women in sports should be paid the same as their male counterparts?
	So, for example, like WNBA players, female soccer players, trying to think of other sports.
	Let's just stick to soccer and basketball.
	I would say do you think they should be paid the same as their male counterparts?
	The reason I would say that they do not deserve equal pay is solely because of the navigation of a business, which obviously the NBA and WNBA and football leagues or soccer leagues are businesses at the end of the day.
	They generate much more views, much more marketing, much more interaction with the engagement of audiences for male-dominated sports or male sports, the version of men.
	So, obviously, I think because of that, with the navigation of all those marketing, with all the collaborations between businesses, yes, men will obviously be making more money, and I think that's well-deserved because it just unfortunately gets a lot more engagement and interaction.
	Sure, well, okay.
	I don't think that it necessarily plays out into women should get less pay.
	That's not the that's not what I'm trying to say.
	I'm just totally saying, as a business perspective, yes, absolutely deserve it.
	When it comes to the wage gap, it's been debunked.
	Um, you're welcome to look into it, but the reality is when you look at the, when you hear the commonly cited wage gap, women earn 70, it's always changing, by the way, 77 cents to the dollar, 80 cents to the dollar that a man makes.
	That's not accounting for things like hours worked, type of job, seniority, educational, their educational background, which also, by the way, women are for over 40 years, women have been outpacing men when it comes to getting college degrees and attending universities.
	So, we have an entire generation of women essentially starting in, I think, 1979, women were going to college at higher rates than men were.
	So, basically, women who are retiring now for that entire period of time, there's been more women who have been going to college.
	What else?
	When it comes to the wage gap, though, what they don't take into account, I said the hours worked, they don't take into account the type of jobs, overpay.
	Men are more likely, for example, to work overtime.
	Men are more likely, for example, to relocate for a job.
	Men are more likely to work dangerous, dangerous, physically laborious, dirty, and dangerous jobs.
	For example, workplace, let's talk.
	I mean, if we talk about gaps, right, we'd have to talk about the workplace injury gap, the workplace death gap, the workplace electrocuted to death gap.
	All goes hand in hand.
	But let me ask you a question: if you had to do a dangerous job, would you want to be paid?
	It would probably cost a lot of money for you to be more willing to do it, right?
	Like a hazardous job where there's a risk of death or dismemberment or getting crushed to death.
	The reality is there's all kinds of wages, but see, I think the issue when it comes to feminism is women want to secure the cushy, comfortable, air-conditioned office jobs that are high-paying, but you don't want to equalize it for the dangerous and difficult and dangerous, dangerous, difficult, and dirty jobs.
	I was gonna, so just to make sure you were aware, like, I really wasn't saying that that was my position in the patriarch or anything.
	I was just saying the obvious disagreements that a lot of people have in the arguments.
	With that being said, if you're prefacing that with the dirty jobs or the more laborious jobs, I agree.
	They don't account for that.
	A lot of these people that make this argument that I just made as a devil's advocate is, oh, well, yeah, no, the man can't take that.
	I don't want to work.
	I want to be this, whatever.
	And that's fine.
	That's somebody else's position.
	I think, yes, those positions do deserve a higher pay.
	My mother, for instance, like I shared early on, she was a welder.
	She did welding for 15 years.
	I completely believe that that wage gap was not even there because she was working a laborious job.
	She was working all that work.
	At the end of the day, I just wish more people took into account, like you said.
	That wage gap does obviously go hand in hand with the gaps between the harm that it is between certain occupations.
	And just, I don't want to linger too long on the wage gap thing, but I would just say if there was an actual wage gap and you could get away with paying women less, then as a corporation, the ultimate goal of a corporation is to make money.
	So it would make sense to me if there actually was a wage gap, you'd just hire only women and you'd save, you'd save 20, 25, 30% on payroll.
	Also, I think another factor that we have to look into, aside from all the things I previously mentioned, let me ask you guys a question.
	Do you want a guy to pay for the first date?
	Answer the mic.
	I don't, yes.
	Well, it sounds like earlier you said you don't think women should work.
	You don't want to work.
	You want to be a stay-at-home wife, whatever.
	You want a guy to provide for you.
	You want a guy to pay for the first date.
	Yeah, but if it doesn't happen, that's fine.
	Right, but that's what you're angling towards.
	That's what you're, that's what you want.
	No, no sane guy can sit there and be like, yeah, I'm just going to wait for a girl who's prepared to like provide for me and pay for first dates.
	Like the most you can go for most men, the most that you can go into a first date expecting is to go 50-50.
	No guy, like you're going to run into a lot of dating issues as a guy if your standard is, I want women to pay for the first date.
	Like women can have that standard of, I want the guy to pay for the first date and you can find it very easily.
	It's going to be very difficult in the dating marketplace as a guy if your standard is I want the woman to pay for the first date.
	You're going to have a lot of dating troubles if you expect them to pay for 50% too.
	Yeah.
	But it's there are some women that will go 50%.
	It's just like if I'm going 50 with you, like you, I don't owe you anything at all.
	So, are you saying you owe guys something if you're not?
	I'm saying it feels like that.
	I don't, objectively, I don't.
	Sure.
	They made that decision.
	They didn't tell me at the transaction.
	Do you want a guy to pay for the first date?
	Yeah, the guy.
	Okay.
	I don't care.
	You don't care?
	Would you prefer the guy to pay for the first date?
	That's what I prefer, but I've done 50-50 and I'm more than okay with that.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I would just rather pay for myself, to be honest.
	That's fair.
	That's valid.
	But do you acknowledge that probably for the most, I don't know if I want to attribute a percentage to this.
	Let's say the majority of women would prefer the guy to pay for the first date.
	Not all women.
	Some girls are totally fine with 50-50.
	But you'd say most women would prefer guys to pay for the first date.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So wouldn't it then stand to reason that that introduces a sort of what's how do I explain this?
	Like a domino effect in broader society.
	If women, if there's a mating pressure, like an intense mating pressure on men to be providers, to pay for first dates, couldn't that explain?
	Again, I reject that there's a wage gap, but let's just assume there is.
	Couldn't just that on its own explain the wage gap because there's a pressure on men that does not exist in women to be providers.
	So if your standard is men should pay for first dates, to make sure that you should have some money to pay for it.
	So, oh, I won't, like, as a dude, I might not get laid if I don't make good money.
	Like, that's never a question that's ever entered the mind of a woman.
	If I don't make enough money, I'm not going to be able to get dick.
	No.
	That is definitely something that might go through a man's head.
	If I don't make enough money, if I live with my parents, if I don't have a nice car, if I can't pay for the first date, you might not get pussy.
	It could, it could, you could still might, you can still get pussy.
	You can still get pussy, but it's going to be harder.
	So it's just, I don't know, it's like a man has to earn more than me to get my time or respect, but also men and women should earn the same pay for the same job.
	And there are too many men at the head of industry.
	We need preferential hiring to get more women into these roles.
	But I prefer when men, I want to be a stay-at-home wife and not contribute to the house.
	It's very confusing.
	Wait, okay, going back to really quick, and I know we're going to wrap up soon.
	I know you guys are tired.
	So how are you oppressed exactly?
	Well, I had an example that was like pretty severe compared to most of it.
	But things like that happen, not just to me, things like that happen with a lot of people a lot.
	Like especially like CS majors, or engineering majors, it happens a lot with.
	Or things like I know exactly how my car works.
	Like I know that this summer my serpentine belt pulled through two of the pulleys because my car, the car that I have is like cheap and they make them out of plastic, which they shouldn't because most are metal.
	Like I know all this shit.
	So I can get on the phone as soon as they hear my voice.
	It's an extra $1,000.
	Like it always is.
	Like I've never, like I literally, I'll bargain and bargain and bargain and bargain.
	I've seen guys do it.
	They'll get whatever I'm asking for for like half the price.
	You know, stuff like that.
	Wait, hot take.
	I know.
	We're going to wrap soon guys.
	Hot take.
	Men are more oppressed than women.
	Yes.
	You could make a good argument for it.
	There are ways in which men are pretty big one.
	And I think those are also due to the patriarchy.
	Like in a society, you said this is a society built by men.
	So wouldn't you think a society built by men would the consequences of that would be kind of men's fault.
	And I'm not saying that there aren't ways that men.
	It's not clear to me if it's their fault because they are men.
	Like it's on no individual.
	A stronger argument to be made would be people in positions of power, regardless of their gender.
	It's not because they're.
	Look at who's in power.
	Look at who's been in power for the last a million years.
	Okay.
	And there's a hyperbole.
	It's men.
	Okay.
	Because I mean, we were talking about earlier with like the essay stuff in schools and like women essaying.
	That's, for instance, a position of power that women usually aren't in over someone else.
	In that position of power, they used it.
	So it's nothing about men's inherent like drive to hurt people or themselves.
	It's about when you're put in that position of power.
	Some people use it poorly and some people don't even know that they are.
	That's cool, but I think men are more oppressed than women.
	What do you think about that?
	Agree to disagree?
	I mean, I couldn't tell you more, but I gave my point and you can respond to that or you can repeat your statement.
	Okay, so I guess I can back this up a little bit.
	So I think all feminist arguments just about oppression are dead on arrival because, and all of women's collective grievances fall flat in the face of just one.
	There's many male grievances, but there's one in particular that I think absolutely dwarfs any and all of women's collective grievances, and that is forced military conscription.
	You can add up all of women's grievances together, and in my view, they do not, I know it's hard to make comparisons and it's hard to compare and contrast.
	Forced military conscription is worse than all of women's collective grievances.
	You can whine about it all you want, but I would say the suffering that men have exclusively experienced during warfare throughout all of human history is orders of magnitude greater than, as I've said, all of women's collective grievances, supposed and real.
	When was the last draft?
	When is the last?
	Well, so, well, the last draft was in the Vietnam War.
	And.
	And then before that, it was World War II.
	When did women get the right to vote?
	Oh, no, it was right.
	When did women get the right to vote?
	White women or all women?
	Super late.
	I forget the exact year.
	But it was white women like 50 years before everyone else or before the last woman.
	Is that true?
	Yeah.
	I'd like a fat fact check on that.
	In any case, women's suffrage 1920, but women frequently.
	Right, but you're saying when was the last here, let's talk about it.
	The Ukraine war.
	We can talk about the Ukraine war.
	So there's currently two major ongoing military conflicts in the world.
	We might be on the verge of World War III.
	And in the event that that happens, women are not subject to military conscription.
	You want to talk about inequality.
	Y'all aren't subject to military, forced military conscription.
	You don't have to register for the selective service.
	The last time there was a draft was in Vietnam.
	And I know you want to use that as when was the last time there was a draft?
	It's actually very dismissive because here's a very big point.
	Fear.
	Hold on.
	What?
	Hold on.
	I want to go into the fear thing, but there are men that would be alive today had they not been drafted.
	And there are men that are alive today that were drafted.
	Vietnam, Korea, World War II.
	I mean, there's very few World War II vets left, but so there are men who would have been alive today, right now, they could have been in this room, that aren't alive because they were drafted in Vietnam.
	And then there's men that did get drafted in Vietnam and they have like major PTSD, serious issues, casualties of war, they've lost limbs, serious issues.
	So, yes, the ramifications of forced military conscription are the negative consequences of that are alive today in men.
	I'm going to say something, and you're probably going to be like, that's crazy.
	Let's hear it.
	Let's hear it.
	Unlikely.
	So, there's ways to get out of the draft, right?
	I would much, much, much, much rather cut a toe off than be a woman, than have to deal with what women deal with.
	You can skip the draft if you have any shit wrong with you.
	I would cut a fucking hand off.
	I cut a foot off.
	Okay.
	I've never heard that argument when it comes to the draft.
	You're a pro-draft dodger.
	Wait, so what were you, but what were you saying about the fear?
	What were you saying about the fear?
	What did you mean when you said fear?
	Well, it seems like you think that you're more oppressed than me.
	You know, would you say that's true?
	It's okay if it is.
	You know, and so if it's just that one thing, when it's just that one thing, it's like it's kind of unlikely that it will.
	And if it does happen, that fucking sucks, and you will have it harder than me.
	I actually do.
	I mean, I'm not of an age that I, I mean, they could always expand the draft in the scenario of some catastrophic world war.
	You know, they could extend the age, but I did have to register for the selective service.
	Men who don't face consequences.
	They, uh, you can lose certain benefits as a man that doesn't apply to women.
	Uh, so I mean, also, that's the consequence of being physically stronger, you know.
	Like, you're able to protect yourself in ways that I can't protect myself, and as a consequence of that, that well, yeah, but you're if you're a feminist, you should be in favor of gender equality, so women should be subject to military conscription.
	Being able to birth a baby wouldn't make this, so you can make that argument, yeah.
	But hold on, what's your point?
	No, no, no, no, but just go with it.
	You can't blame men for being bigger and saying that's why you got to go to war, even though that's what we've kind of done.
	I'm not mad at you about childbirth, even though a lot of women are saying, like, hey, what are you doing?
	Right, also, when you're going to war, you're not like fist fighting either, right?
	And women could be drafted into like support roles, even if even if you're not.
	That's what happens when you take away abortion, right?
	You're drafted into a support role if you have like a what if you have like a kid that you didn't want that you were forced to have, you're drafted into a support role.
	No, but the state, hold on, the state is not forcing you to have sex, and if you want to get an abortion, some people get forced to have sex.
	Okay, but are you you're you do realize most if I concede that some abortions are the result of rape, will you concede that most 99% of abortions are because the woman can't financially support the kid, or it's like the sex was consensual that led to her getting an abortion?
	Yeah, okay, so like you're making the argument of from like the uh what's it called?
	And abortion is also like a physical procedure.
	So, I'm doing the same thing.
	If I cut my toe off, that's a physical procedure to get out of this draft.
	It's not a perfect comparison, and it's funny to say these things because they're kind of ridiculous, but I think there is a little bit of validity there.
	Validity to what?
	To like, like comparing these two things.
	What two things?
	The draft to anything else I've compared it to.
	Well, it's not even just the draft, it's actually warfare in and of itself is like something that throughout all of human history.
	I know that women can now enter the military.
	Well, now it's like something that's pretty much exclusively been within the realms of men.
	And military, there's no glory in like there's, I mean, I guess they're for some people they get some sort of glory from it.
	But like warfare is brutal in ways that you cannot imagine.
	Yeah.
	And also, like, can I ask you, can I just ask you a question?
	What were the dates of World War I?
	Do you know?
	I know like a range.
	Sure, tell me the range.
	Like, you don't have to tell, like, just year, just the year.
	I'm not asking for like date or month.
	Early 40s.
	No, World War I. World War I. 1910, 1912?
	Somewhere around there.
	To what?
	I don't know how long it lasted.
	I think 10.
	Okay.
	1914 to 1918 was World War I. What about World War II?
	Like 1940-something.
	To when?
	That one lasted a good, like, six years.
	I think.
	Do you want to give a range?
	Like, between, like, it stopped at, it was capped in 50.
	So as 1939 to 1945.
	Yeah, that's six years.
	But I feel, okay, it's like, if you don't even know when the two most catastrophic events in human history occurred, I almost feel like you don't have the requisite knowledge to assert anything about the ways in which women are oppressed as compared to men.
	I don't really want you to tell me that I don't know about these wars, though, just off one detail.
	But if you don't even know what to do.
	Like, I know about the Axis powers and the Allied powers.
	Like, I know about the Apple powers.
	No, actually, just for fun, I'm just curious.
	Three Axis powers, three Allied powers.
	I get the names mixed up, but I know it was.
	Into the mic.
	Three access, three access powers.
	I know who was together.
	I don't know.
	Three access powers.
	Three access powers.
	Well, if I say the wrong team, you're going to see when I know a bunch of information about it.
	You know, I'm not studying up on this like you are because you're a professional debate guy.
	You know, so I don't think that's a fair comparison that because you have like statistics and you and you like I took his, like I learned about these things and I knew them, you know?
	I like I can tell you shit that I know, but like I don't think that's fair.
	That's fine.
	I mean, I'm sure we could go back and forth for a very long time.
	I don't think it's worth really lingering on.
	It's also 12.28 a.m. and you're trying to get me to name access powers.
	Yeah, that's a base.
	That's fucking based.
	You're a fuckhead for that.
	Okay.
	I think there's advantages to being women and disadvantages and there's advantages to being men and disadvantages being men.
	And what a lot of people not use suggestively, but what they like to do is go, well, this is why the world is fucked and it's a man's system because look at all these things I have to deal with.
	And you go, yeah, but you also have some pretty good ones.
	Like not going to war.
	Or like anytime.
	I'd love to see a statistic on how many years men serve for the same crimes that women do.
	I'd love for someone to do a guarantee.
	Women crush it in the courts.
	Yeah.
	Crush it in the courts for the same crimes.
	And I don't go, well, look, the system's set against men.
	Like, I could.
	I could make some good arguments for that.
	You want to hear something somewhat crazy related to this?
	So, for example, we often hear that, well, black men are more likely to be victims of police brutality or police misconduct than white men are.
	And that's evidence of racism in the police force, right?
	However, if you compare that to the rates of police misconduct and police brutality directed towards men compared to women, if you're comparing that to the police misconduct, the comparison between white men to black men, the rate between men and women is like, I think it's 8x or 10x greater.
	So is that, therefore, evidence of sexism, systemic sexism within the police?
	It's whenever a bad thing happens to a guy, it's like, that's life.
	That's just how the world goes.
	And when, and again, I'm not putting this on you guys, but like when something bad happens to a woman, it's like, we have this is a fundamental systematic outrage.
	You're like, no, it's just life's not perfect.
	Shit happens to both of us.
	And good things happen to both of us.
	And I don't cry about the bad ones.
	It's not, you can't, I don't think you can compare the difference between men and women because that's in our brain.
	That's hormonal.
	Like, I can't really say anything else besides at the very least, the hormonal difference is so drastically different that that affects a lot of the reason men and women are different.
	Sure.
	Different races have the same brains.
	You know, so it's not really comparable, like, a different races' oppression versus oppression of a man versus a woman.
	Word?
	Word?
	Oh, here, one more thing.
	Upon birth, who do you think is more like oppressed or disadvantaged?
	Men or women?
	Like, like being born?
	Yeah, like upon upon birth.
	Like when you're a baby?
	Yeah.
	Like, like inherently?
	What do you mean?
	Like, how do you think that's the same?
	Yeah, like that as well.
	From birth to the first six months.
	Not counting China.
	Who's more?
	See?
	Well, they got rid of that, I think.
	But it still affects it culturally.
	There's cultural impacts of things.
	Let's just talk about the United States.
	Who's got it worse?
	I don't know.
	You don't know?
	Okay.
	What do you think?
	Well, I think men, or boys, I should say, even when they are that young, even when they haven't, there's no way we're not counting wage gaps and college admissions, any of this.
	Where are you counting?
	Six months.
	Circumcision.
	Yeah, that's true.
	So immediately upon birth, nearly every boy in the United States has their genitals mutilated.
	That sounds like a pretty pretty poor outcome.
	That happens.
	Without their consent, by the way.
	Women in some areas of the world.
	That's in some areas of the world, but I would argue that male circumcision is far more prevalent than female genital mutilation.
	That's true.
	I didn't think about that.
	I mean, immediately upon birth, as soon as men, as soon as boys come into the world without their consent, they have their genitals mutilated.
	So, I mean.
	They seem like Smegma, though.
	See?
	I mean, that's crazy.
	That's a real thing.
	So do you think that that's a good reason to mutilate children's genitals because of your preference for men who are not or who are cut?
	i was making a joke it's actually funny like if you think about it the majority of uh this is almost something that's like single moms or like having their okay i don't want to get into You're killing me.
	I'm going to fall asleep on a dead home.
	No, but it's just like, if you start looking at, if you pull back the curtain, like, there's a lot of pretty negative outcomes that impacts boys and men.
	Well, it's a leverage of power.
	A lot of people want to use these things as leverage of power.
	They don't want to look into the details of it.
	Sure, anyways, guys, I know you guys are tired.
	I'm going to wrap up the show.
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	Thank you guys.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you to the wonderful panel.
	Those of you who, first off, stayed late.
	I appreciate that.
	I apologize that we made it.
	I apologize that we went so late tonight.
	And, Nick, I apologize to you.
	I know you wanted to get out of here early tonight.
	My bad, man.
	Just that girl.
	She sucked the oxygen out of the room.
	She took up way too much time.
	So this show could have ended, honestly.
	I should have kicked her off way sooner.
	So I apologize to you guys.
	I apologize to Nick.
	First off, I apologize that she was quite rude to a few of you guys.
	So, yeah.
	And you guys were great.
	Thank you guys for bearing with me here.
	I know we went late.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara.
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	We will be live again Tuesday.
	This is going to be a super panel, guys.
	5 p.m. Pacific.
	Guys, we have only three more shows left until we go on a break.
	It's going to be three to four weeks off, probably.
	So I want you guys to really tune in to our last three shows that we have after tonight.
	And I'm trying to think if there's anything else.
	Go check out.
	Do you do live comedy?
	Check him out.
	Every night, live comedy.
	Yeah.
	Jeff Dai.
	Just find him on my socials.
	Just look up my name at Jeff.
	But you do stand-up.
	Like, can they see you live?
	Or I don't know if you want to.
	Yeah.
	Like, I perform.
	This is the first night I haven't performed stand-up comedy.
	Oh, you perform every single night?
	Every single night.
	Oh, shit.
	But I just landed from Vegas.
	I have a residency there at the Cosmo.
	Oh, that's awesome, man.
	I didn't know this was this far away from where I live.
	But welcome, man.
	Yeah, it was happy to be here.
	I would have been on stage tonight, but I'm here with you guys.
	Yeah, thank you for coming, man.
	And I try to think if there's anything else.
	I think that's it, right?
	Is that it?
	Oh, I need to do a raid.
	Hold on.
	Let me just do one last thing on Twitch and then we'll get out of here.
	I've got a shot of champagne.
	Yeah, from champagne.
	You're 19.
	You can't drink.
	You wouldn't even give it to me.
	It would have sucked.
	I always have to look at it and smash it.
	Yo, those of you on Twitch, I'm going to raid Stay Safe TV.
	He's playing Season of Discovery, World of Warcraft.
	I want you to let him know that we're sending you his way.
	Tell him to come back on the podcast.
	He's been on the podcast two times, or was it three?
	I forgot.
	But yeah, just twice.
	Stay safe TV.
	He's playing World of Warcraft Classic Season of Discovery.
	Tell him whatever sent you.
	I'm going to send you guys over in the raid here in just a few seconds.
	And thank you guys so much again for coming.
	You guys were dope.
	I'd love to have any of you guys back.
	You guys were wonderful.
	Thank you guys for making it the whole show.
	Again, I apologize that we went late here.
	I've been trying to not have the shows run so late.
	But thank you guys.
	You guys were awesome.
	And hold on.
	I'm going to, okay, I'm rating stay safe.
	Boom, rated.
	All right, guys.
	07's in the chat.
	We will see you Tuesday.
	We got a super panel, guys.
	It's assuming there's no flakes, guys.
	This is going to, this may be our biggest show of the year.
	Some major guests, big guests, guys.
	So you're going to definitely want to tune in for that one.
	And that's it.
	Thank you guys so much for tuning in.
	07's in the chat.
	Good night, guys.

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