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She Dated 50 Men In 50 Days?! | Dating Talk #105

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	Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	Hi, I'm Zoe.
	I am a student at Santa Barbara City College.
	I'm majoring in psychology, and I'm 18.
	18.
	All right, welcome.
	Hi, I'm Sam.
	I'm 18, and I also go to Santa Barbara City College, and I'm running track next semester, and my major is business entrepreneurship.
	What do you run for track?
	I run sprints.
	Sprints.
	Hurdles?
	No.
	No hurdling?
	No.
	What about you?
	My name is Claire.
	I use she, they pronouns.
	I am 21 years old.
	I am a part-time nanny, a part-time research assistant, and a full-time student at UC Santa Cruz, from which I will be graduating next year, spring of next year, with a BA in politics and a BA in Spanish studies.
	She, they pronouns.
	Yeah.
	That should be one of your questions.
	Disavow that.
	What is they?
	They.
	I mean, it doesn't associate with one gender.
	I mean, I feel like this would be a longer conversation, but they doesn't associate with one gender or the other.
	Because, I mean, essentially, gender is a social construct.
	I'll save it for now.
	Maybe we'll come back to that after we get through all the intros.
	Could I just have you scoot your mic that way?
	This way?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Hi.
	Also, please provide your pronouns for us.
	Okay.
	I am a she all the way.
	So my name's Alexa.
	I'm 27 years old, and I live.
	What else are we supposed to do?
	Oh, and I'm a project manager.
	Speak a little louder, please.
	Go ahead.
	I'm Emily and I'm a student at Cuesta College in San Luis Obispo.
	I'm studying criminal justice but I plan on going into probation once I graduate if I graduate.
	You want to be a probation officer?
	Yeah, but I might just go right into the workforce.
	I don't need a degree.
	All right.
	Age?
	18.
	Okay, welcome.
	Hi, my name is Safiya, um, I, what was the other one?
	I'm 24.
	And my occupation, I am the Southern California field representative for the Leadership Institute.
	And you can guess my pronouns.
	I'm sure you'll get it right.
	And if you don't, I don't care.
	I won't get offended.
	Okay, what about you?
	Hi, my name is Amy.
	I am 23 years old.
	I'm currently a student at Cal State Fullerton.
	Did you say your age?
	Sorry.
	Yeah, I'm 23.
	23, okay, got it.
	Thank you.
	My name is Lynn.
	I'm 22 and I work in retail.
	And my pronouns are she, her.
	Actu.
	Wait, actually?
	Or are you memeing?
	Not like actually.
	No, she uses she, they mean she, her pronouns.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I'm the QPL, 30 years old, behavioral scientist, certified relationship coach, book author, YouTuber.
	Okay, welcome, everybody.
	Welcome, welcome.
	All right, so we're going to go around the table once more.
	What is everyone's current relationship status?
	So are you single?
	Are you in a talking stage?
	Situationship, friends with benefits, relationship, are you married, polycule, sex cult, harem?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	I'm single.
	I've been single for 18 years.
	And I guess I like was in a talking stage, but that's over.
	I ended that shit.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you've been single for 18 years?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I certainly hope you were single for the vast majority of the.
	I mean, are people really dating at two?
	I don't know.
	Like, people aren't really dating at two.
	No.
	But.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	But so, I mean, what's the longest period of time that you've ever dated a guy?
	Never.
	Like, I haven't dated anyone.
	Like, I've gone on dates, but like one date.
	Have you had like, what about like a situationship that lasted like a month or two?
	Have you had that?
	I guess I was in like a talking stage for a month, but like that's it.
	I went to an all-girls school for seven years.
	Oh, for high school?
	For high school and middle school.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So what about you go to SBCC, right?
	Do you live in IV?
	No, I live at Beach City, like apartments, yeah.
	And you two are friends, right?
	So you guys go out and party here in Olivis, I assume.
	Last night specifically.
	Last night specifically, okay.
	And then the day before and the night before.
	Yeah.
	And then, yeah.
	So I mean, you know, typically what I hear when you're in college, it's people aren't really dating in the sense that they go out on a date.
	It's like, let's hang out, let's go party together.
	Basically, like, let's fuck, pretty much.
	Yeah, so, I mean, have you had that experience?
	No.
	Wait.
	Yes, she has.
	Oh, shit.
	There we go.
	That's so.
	I have not.
	Your friend is throwing you under the bus here a little bit.
	She says yes.
	She's incorrect.
	Wait, really?
	Yeah.
	Okay, I'm not sure.
	Okay, we just met last night, kind of.
	We have like mutual friends, but yeah.
	I'm not going to get into detail about everything.
	Do you guys live together, bro?
	Okay.
	Do you guys live together?
	Are you housemates?
	No.
	Her roommate and me, we grew up in the same hometown.
	So we've been friends for like years.
	And I met her through my friend.
	Their roommates.
	So she comes and visits.
	Yeah.
	And she's moving next semester.
	Comes and visits.
	At Beach City, and like we go out.
	Oh, you don't live in Santa Barbara?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	I live in San Luis Obispo.
	Oh, okay.
	Got it.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Okay.
	So nothing?
	Like, I've gone on dates with guys here.
	Sure.
	And like I've I've hung out with guys here for like a period of time and I've like kissed one guy here.
	But like I don't really Not yeah, I'm just gonna leave it at that It looks like your friend is privy to some details though Oh Yeah, last night we got married.
	Yeah, both of us got married last night to each other.
	No no no, no.
	So these guys came to the apartment like randomly.
	I was sitting outside waiting for somebody to open the door and these two random guys woke up to me and my friend, and they were like, can we come inside?
	And we were like yeah sure, and we all like we wanted all girls to be there, but whatever.
	And this guy just like got on his knee and proposed to me.
	So now I'm like kind of married to him, even I don't know his name.
	That's pathetic.
	If I were to propose to you, I would do something.
	I'd bust this out, you know oh wait wait wait, I found there's.
	That's the wrong thing.
	That's actually your ring okay well, I've never been proposed to, so I would have never wait.
	But okay okay, be honest with us, though I feel like you're.
	Underselling your dating experience a little bit.
	I mean, I have a lot to say, but she finished.
	No, I like I have my roster oh okay okay, there we go.
	There we go, like I have a few on the burner, but I just don't particularly like to take it to a certain point, like I kind of cut things off.
	What do you mean, which point are you talking about?
	Like you got it pee and the V?
	Are we talking P and the V?
	Yeah, sure you don't like to take it there.
	Have you taken it there?
	No, never I yeah, she's, she's never.
	I can promise you that.
	Stop the cap.
	So you have a roster, you have a roster, okay.
	And when you say you have a roster, how many people are on your roster?
	Um, let's think, I don't even know.
	I guess like four, but you guessed, I kind of just cut one off, so you just cut one off.
	So now that's three, now I guess it's four, or it was five, it was no, it's it's three.
	Now I guess three yeah, so what does that mean?
	That you have three guys on your roster?
	Are you?
	You're kind of hanging out with all of them, like how many of the three guys, or the four?
	Well, when did you cut it off with the most recent one?
	Um, it was yesterday.
	No wait, let me think it was on Tuesday Tuesday okay, so in Past week, have you seen all four of them?
	Like how many have you hung out with all four of them?
	I've seen them around.
	One of them asked me out, but I didn't go because I didn't want to go.
	And then, but that guy actually, okay, one of the guys on my roster, he tried to like get with me and my roommate, and he's saying, oh, like, we're going to see which one I want.
	And I'm like, I don't want you now.
	So he's kind of coming off of the roster at this point.
	Wait, but I mean, you're not exclusive with him.
	He's not exclusive with you.
	What's it matter to you if you try to get with your house, like some other guy?
	Because that's weird.
	But you're seeing three other guys.
	But it's not about that.
	It's about the fact that he is like purposefully trying to go for both of us.
	And he said, like, I'm trying to stir some shit up.
	Okay, sure.
	I get that.
	That's fair.
	So me and my roommate are like, get away from this.
	So do you think these guys you're seeing, do you think they also have a roster?
	For sure.
	For sure.
	And actually.
	For shizzle.
	Oh, for shizzle.
	For shizzle.
	Like, one of them, I was walking with one of them.
	And then another guy, the other guy on the roster comes, and like he, for some reason, knew about it.
	And he's like, how is that crossover?
	And I'm like, what the fuck?
	And then I'm in my car and I see him walking up the hill with a girl and I was like, okay.
	And then another, like that same day, I saw him walking a class with a girl and then I saw him with his arm around a girl in the span of like three days.
	So that's why I cut things off.
	Oh, that's the one you cut the rock?
	That's the one I cut off.
	Okay.
	So then you've got the other three guys on the roster.
	Is there one in particular that you like more than the others?
	Or they're all yeah, but that's the one that like is trying to get with me and my roommate.
	So Brian, you're an all live on ice.
	That's fine.
	So the one you want the most is the one that is trying to fuck your housemate.
	Yeah, but I don't really want him.
	Just be clear, I don't really want him.
	But he's on your roster.
	He's on my roster just so I can have a roster.
	Like just for fun.
	How do you have a roster, but you don't really want any of them?
	I do want them, but, like.
	But you don't.
	It's just for the ego boost.
	Like, it's just to have a little fun.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	It's for the ego boost.
	Partially.
	So they're just there for validation?
	Yeah.
	A little bit.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Good times.
	Here, moving on.
	What about you?
	Wait, like, what do you want to know, though?
	Oh, so current relationship status?
	Very fucking single.
	Very effing single.
	Very.
	Okay.
	And we do have, you were so kind to provide us with your dating app profile, which we will review later.
	But despite the dating app presence, you are very effing single.
	For a lot of reasons.
	For a lot of reasons.
	I was in a two-year relationship with the guy throughout high school.
	Sure.
	And he broke up with me because I found out I was bipolar.
	He found out that you were bipolar?
	I got diagnosed with you.
	Type one or type two?
	Type one.
	Is that the path one?
	Anxiety.
	That's the anxiety one.
	That's the manic and depressive.
	I mean, I guess they're not.
	No, type two is depressive.
	I don't know what the one is.
	Type two is depressive and hypomanic, so you're not technically asthmatic as bipolar one.
	Well, I'm definitely not depressed, but I found out I was bipolar.
	He left me.
	Are you currently in a manic phase right now?
	No, I'm hungover.
	You're hungover.
	Very.
	When's the last time you had a manic phase?
	Is that what it's called?
	I don't really tell if I have the.
	You're just in it, and you're riding the wave.
	Well, most of the time, I get really manic like a week after I drink a lot.
	We should have you back on the show because I mean you said you're hungover, so we'll have you back in a week.
	Deltopia weekend this past year.
	Oh.
	Yeah, that was bad.
	Okay.
	I like went on the Easter Bunny shoulders and stuff and almost fell off a DJ stand.
	Okay.
	So you're very single.
	Okay, so you're dating a guy for two years in high school.
	You broke up.
	How long ago did you guys break up?
	A little bit over a year and a half ago.
	A year and a half ago?
	Okay, so for that year and a half, what's the dating life looked like for you?
	I'm really closed off with men now because he was like my best friend.
	And so when you're like with somebody for so long, you get so attached, especially your first love.
	Because we were each other's first everything.
	I was even his first kiss.
	So when you like let go of something like that, I feel like it just hurts so much.
	And it's going to hurt me probably for the rest of my life because he'll always be there somehow.
	For the rest of your life?
	I mean, yeah, he was like my first love.
	Like that doesn't.
	I feel like for me, that's not going to go away.
	So are you still in love with him?
	Not in a way where it's like in love, but I definitely loved who he was and I still appreciate him as a person for sure.
	Okay.
	Even though he left me in a really fucked up way, I still, he's still a good person.
	He cheated on you, correct?
	No.
	Wait.
	Never cheated, but like I have been cheated on.
	Have been cheated on.
	Okay.
	Oh, wait, hold on.
	I'm looking at the wrong notes here.
	Wait, hold on.
	No, he found out she was bipolar.
	No, he found out I was bipolar.
	Yeah.
	Can I interject for a second?
	So I know it's not my turn, but I just want to comment on what you were saying.
	There's definitely hope you will get over it.
	I know what you mean.
	Like, it does stay with you.
	So I dated a guy for three months.
	It took me two years to get over him.
	And during that time we were dating, I was really depressed.
	I had a lot of anxiety.
	And it was coming out very strong then.
	And that eventually led to the breakup.
	And I mean, we were only together for three months, but he was my first serious relationship.
	I mean, I'm just saying.
	Moving on, moving on.
	It took me a while.
	It took me a while to get over it, but I did.
	And it's not like I never think of him.
	She's been broken up with him for a year and a half.
	And I'm like, okay.
	Yeah, I'm better now.
	But they dated for two years.
	I have a lot of hot mutations.
	You have a lot of what?
	I have friends in my phone that I that they're cool, you know?
	Like, I don't want to say I have a roster because that'll look like a hoe a little bit.
	No, no, no, no.
	This is a judgment-free zone.
	Okay.
	Zero judgment.
	Speaking of rosters, though, tell us about it.
	I've talked to a few people who were, like, I've talked to an NBA player.
	Okay.
	I've talked to a couple musicians.
	Like famous.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Someone.
	Here, tell us their names.
	Why not?
	Fuck no.
	Any other professional athletes?
	Just one NBA player?
	Like a track star, too.
	Track star.
	I was going to say a track star because you're a track girly.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	He's a very good runner.
	Like someone who runs.
	Unless you're like Usain Bolt, you're basically just a ventriloquist.
	Then I wouldn't count that.
	Might as well just be a ventriloquist.
	Okay.
	So.
	So musicians, any actors or anything?
	Like one actor.
	It was through mutuals.
	Because I have a lot of friends down in LA.
	Sure.
	And so everybody's kind of like friends with everybody somehow, I would say, in a way.
	Sure.
	So you said you have a roster, though.
	How many?
	Hold on.
	You were like throwing your friends under the bus, like, oh, I got stories.
	Now, you can't be bashful now.
	I mean, there is this one guy.
	What do you mean?
	I hung out with him on what was it?
	Okay, I'm not going to say the specific date.
	Yes, it's going to sound wrong.
	No.
	Today?
	No.
	Are you guys hooking up?
	Somewhat, I guess.
	I'm trying to be a little bit of like a celibate, like, not fully, but I'm not trying to just have sex with a bunch of guys, right?
	Like, just so I could do it, I guess.
	Like, I'm trying to find someone who's more genuine, and I want to, like, have sex with somebody who also feels the same way.
	Like there's some type of feeling instead of having a hookup where it's like they don't they don't just want you for sex.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	They want to pursue sex with a sex.
	I'm like, even if I don't even want a relationship with them, I still want to be their friend.
	And I still want to talk to them, you know, as a friend.
	If it doesn't go anywhere far.
	How long have you been sober?
	Four days.
	Four days.
	Okay.
	Somewhat.
	You said somewhat celibate.
	But he is the guy I did have sex with, he is the only guy I've had sex with in like two months.
	Two months.
	Okay, sure.
	So I'm trying to like space it out.
	He's cool.
	I puked in his roommate's bathroom, though.
	It was love at first sight.
	At first sight.
	His roommates got really mad about it.
	Hey, at least it was in the bathroom.
	It wasn't his bathroom.
	Yeah.
	That's where you're supposed to borrow.
	I didn't make it to his bathroom.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	And then, but before you met him, did you have a roster?
	No, I had a situationship actually.
	Have you ever had a roster?
	Yes.
	Do you currently have a roster?
	Because you're seeing this guy, right?
	He's the only guy that you're hooking up with, but are there other guys that you're kind of.
	For attention?
	Yes.
	For attention?
	What do you mean by that?
	Not attention, but it's like everybody does it, you know?
	Like, you just, you text people, like, hey, you're cute.
	like this and you have wait so you text them that and you have zero intention of like dating them or like you're flirting with them like i've I mean, if they offer to hang out, I'm like, hey, I'll get to know you.
	But if they just want sex, I usually don't talk to people like that anymore.
	If they wanted more, would you hook up with them?
	Depending on how I feel about them.
	But what about two-month guy or whatever?
	What about this current guy that you're seeing?
	I still have to get to know him.
	Well, you're not exclusive with him, right?
	No.
	Okay.
	I wouldn't care if he did anything with other people.
	Do you want to be exclusive with him?
	I don't know yet.
	You don't know yet after two months?
	No, Like, he's the only person I have had sex with in the past two months.
	Oh, how long have you known him?
	Three weeks.
	Okay.
	So we've been texting and stuff.
	He's a cool guy.
	Yeah, of course.
	I don't know.
	I don't know him that well.
	Okay, so it's still developing.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But I had a really bad situationship over summer that broke me hard.
	Like, it was horrible.
	Give us the plot synopsis.
	So we met on Hinge.
	Hinge.
	Okay.
	And I was supposed to go to Newport for the 4th of July, so my Hinge was in Newport.
	And he's from LA.
	And so we drove up here, actually, for the 4th of July, got a hotel room, everything, great night, had fun, whatever.
	He goes back, and we're still texting, like, you know, kind of talking.
	That guy enjoyed my time with him.
	I thought he was cool.
	We had a connection.
	So he invites me to go stay with him down in LA for three days, I think.
	And he introduced me to his whole family, all of his friends, like his second family, like people who watched him grow up.
	And they were all telling me, they're like, oh, he's never brought a girl around, ever.
	And he's 20.
	He's never had a girlfriend, which is a huge red flag, kind of.
	Like, at least, like, I don't know.
	It was kind of a red flag a little bit.
	Okay.
	But I'm the only girl he's ever brought around.
	And so I go back home from that trip and everything was good.
	Like, everything was fine.
	All of a sudden, he's like, I don't want a relationship.
	I don't want any of this because I just, I'm not ready for it.
	And I'm like, you're 20 years old, though.
	Like, how are you.
	If you're not mentally ready for a relationship, that proves how immature you are.
	And I'm not going to waste my time on that.
	But for like three weeks after, I cried a lot.
	Because it was like a weird, it was like a one-time thing connection where it's like, we got along so well.
	But fuck him.
	So he told you that and then did you immediately cut it off?
	No.
	For three weeks after that, we would continue talking, calling, like crying on the phone.
	Like, I would get drunk and then drunk call him.
	Yeah, I actually went and saw.
	Maybe.
	I went and saw him again, actually, after we ended to like clear the air, I guess.
	Unannounced?
	Like, you just dropped by his house and you let him know he's your gumby?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	We planned it because we both felt like we needed that to happen.
	But honestly, he's a freaking ass hole, like big asshole.
	Well, you said it was like when I first asked you about it, you said it was terrible and awful and toxic.
	Not the part where we were fine, but the aftermath was really toxic and not good.
	He was just so...
	He no longer wanted to see you?
	Is that the asshole part?
	No.
	I didn't mean to cut you off.
	He was so what?
	There's just a lot more to it.
	Because he's the first guy I've like genuinely liked since my ex, who literally left me for like a reason that hurt me.
	Like every time I've always found a connection with a person, they usually leave because they can never handle emotions.
	They can never handle emotions?
	Yeah, like they can't speak on their emotions.
	They can't like handle things like that.
	Because obviously being bipolar, I'm a lot more emotional.
	And most guys can't handle that.
	They can barely handle like a little bit of like anger and sadness.
	Yeah.
	Have you ever slashed anybody's tires?
	No.
	I'm not that type of person.
	I don't like to stoop low.
	Okay.
	Wait, how did that question even come to mind?
	It just slid through my brain.
	I just don't like stooping low because then it makes me feel like a shitty person.
	Even if they are a bad person or they've done something bad, it's like their karma will get them on their own.
	Is there a treatment for bipolar medications?
	Are you medicated?
	Yes.
	Why?
	I am.
	I'm not scared to say it either.
	No, well, I'm not.
	The way you said it, though, I'm sounding like you're not.
	No, I am.
	Okay, you take medication for it.
	Not heavy, but when you are manic, you do have to take them to sleep.
	But that's kind of it.
	I struggled with anxiety for a long time, too.
	I took meds for that, but I slowly got off of them because I don't want to rely on them forever.
	Wait, but the way you painted it, it sounded like the guy was this huge asshole, major jerk.
	I haven't really heard anything so far that would indicate that he was.
	I don't want to expose him too much because he might be watching this.
	Can you give us like a vague hint about what he said?
	Some really shitty things, gotcha about me personally, that I told him about my personal life that's happened to me with like my past and growing up, because I didn't really have I had a good childhood but mentally I really didn't, and I told him a lot about that and he kind of like used it against me and that's when I knew like I don't want to do this anymore.
	Okay, got it all right, do we?
	Okay roster?
	You said at one point you had a roster.
	I've.
	What's the most amount of men you've had on a roster at once?
	You can be open.
	This is open.
	I wouldn't say I have rosters.
	I would say I have people that I'm into, that I've gone on dates with and I'm into them and I try to give it a chance.
	But most of the time it's like they give up because they they have the roster, you know, and so they kind of give up over time because they're like reaching out to other people and then I just don't really care for it anymore.
	Okay, so how many of those people let me we won't call the roster like right now well, just the most at any point, three guys talking to at the same time, four or five, maybe like 30, 30 is the most.
	It was like my junior year of high school.
	Thir in high school okay, like junior senior, like within your high school, because wouldn't word spread kind of like no, it was other, another high school, up and down California.
	Up and down California yeah, but in high school.
	But i'm not like i'm at what 16, 16 or 17, 17.
	It was right after me and the ex broke up.
	How quickly after the breakup did you arrive at 30 on the roster that summer?
	Well, we broke up in march, broke up in march and then what?
	By may june, you had a roster of 30, say june or july.
	I mean it was summer, like hot girl summer.
	You know, are you sure it's not like 31 or 32 or it's like exactly 30, I don't know specifically.
	It could be more than 30, less than maybe 29, 28.
	I mean that was, that was last year.
	You know, I don't really remember.
	It's a days, it's a days.
	So uh, how did you meet, like hinge right, did you meet them on dating apps?
	Yes, but you were.
	You said you're 16 or 17.
	No no no, last year I was 17.
	Last year I was not on dating apps.
	I would actually like on instagram.
	People would like dm me through my tick tock.
	You have a tick tock okay, got you?
	Do you have a following on there?
	Or just I have 47k, okay.
	What do you post?
	Just dance type stuff.
	Or I go live sometimes okay, you know, gotta get them bands, somehow.
	There you go get the bands uh, and you said, up and down the California Coast how maybe, Maybe not the coast specifically.
	Oh, sorry, inland.
	It's just people would like, just text me on Instagram.
	And, you know, if I found the metropolis.
	Pacific Northwest?
	Who knows?
	Pacific Northwest?
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	I don't like that anymore, though.
	I'm not like that anymore.
	I was like that.
	Not going to blame it on the breakup, but I definitely was a lot more immature last year because I, yeah, I was a lot more immature.
	But so would you, were you like hooking up with all these guys?
	No.
	Not at the same time, maybe, but like the 30 guys, had you hooked up with them?
	No.
	No.
	Maybe like two.
	A couple of them.
	Okay, two.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	But that was like it.
	Probably much.
	Right now, though, I'm like very single, but I'm not closed off anymore, at least.
	But you've been dating a guy for three weeks.
	No, no, no, we're not dating.
	You're what, then?
	You're fucking?
	No, we're just getting to know each other.
	Wait, I thought you are.
	No, but you are fucking.
	You said you were.
	It was one time.
	Four days ago.
	Four days ago.
	Have you talked to him since?
	I'm trying not to because I peeped in his roommate's bathroom.
	Oh, so you were like intoxicated?
	Very.
	No, It's not like that.
	I was aware.
	No, no, that's not what I'm saying.
	But so you're trying to not.
	The guy that you broke your celibacy for, you're now no longer trying to talk to him because of the happy time.
	I'm just scared he, like, thinks I'm, like, crazy or something now.
	I mean, isn't it pretty common if you've drank a lot of alcohol, too?
	I mean, yeah.
	I just don't know his opinion on it, to be honest.
	I haven't really asked.
	So you're talking about.
	Even snapping.
	Oh, snapping.
	Yeah.
	So you are talking to him?
	With my face and not like texting him.
	Oh, you don't write any messages.
	It's just take a photo, send it.
	And he sends what back?
	A photo of his face too?
	Sometimes the ceiling.
	Oh, I thought you were about to say something else.
	Okay.
	No, not that.
	He sends photos of the ceiling?
	Yeah, because I send photos of the ceiling.
	Is this how people communicate in 2023?
	Here's a photo of my face.
	Yeah.
	Dude responds back.
	Here's the wall.
	Unfortunately, yes.
	That is how.
	Most of the time it's like.
	Have you tried high?
	High?
	Have you?
	Maybe sending a high could work.
	How you doing?
	How's it going?
	I mean.
	You know what?
	You could even communicate to him with smoke signals.
	If we're going to be like non-verbal, it's non-linguistic.
	Smoke stack signals.
	I don't know.
	You've never heard of smoke signals?
	Yodeling from mountaintops?
	I don't know.
	That's how they used to communicate back in the day.
	What year do you know?
	Back in my day, yeah, I'm a boomer over here.
	Okay, so do you have your phone on?
	You just say, what's up?
	How's it going?
	I don't know.
	This is the guy watching this.
	I'm going to be so embarrassed.
	This is the guy you broke your celibacy for.
	My mom just texted me.
	I'm watching.
	What's her, yo, is your mom, is she?
	Hi mom.
	What's her name?
	Don't fucking watch this, please.
	Is your mom single, by the way?
	No, I have a wonderful stepdad.
	Never mind.
	Oh, you're into Mills?
	Never single.
	I mean, I'll show you a picture of her.
	You want to see a picture?
	Sure, why not?
	Okay.
	Wait, should I text him?
	I cannot show his name.
	Just fine.
	Moving on.
	Oh, wow.
	He looks hot in that way.
	Hold on.
	I can confirm he looks hot.
	What about you?
	Oh, I'm kind of scared you're going to grill me now.
	But mine's a little less exciting.
	I'm in a situationship slash single.
	I've been single for three years, and my longest relationship was a year long.
	Single for three years, in a situationship with a man or a woman?
	With a man.
	Okay.
	You're by, correct?
	And I get, I don't know what the fuck.
	I don't know where you got that from, but I guess you could say that.
	I don't know.
	I think girls are really pretty, but I'm definitely more attracted to guys.
	Well, I think you showed us your dating profile before the show, and it said maybe you indicated something that you were interested in women.
	I don't know.
	Most people have that impression of me.
	I'm not sure why.
	So you're in a situationship.
	How long has the situationship been for?
	About two months.
	Two months?
	And my understanding is you are, let me just pull this up here one sec guys.
	And we have quite a bit of pre-show information from everybody here.
	So you're Christian.
	You're a virgin waiting for marriage.
	Is that correct?
	Not necessarily till we tie the knot, but I'm waiting for the person I feel like I'm, you know, like we have a strong connection and like I feel like we're going to be together forever.
	And like in the event that it doesn't work out, like I wouldn't be disappointed in myself.
	Can you scoot your microphone that way?
	Yeah.
	Like this?
	No, no, no.
	Just like keep scooting it.
	Yeah, yeah, that's good.
	I also found a picture of my mom.
	Show me later.
	It's fine.
	Okay, we'll talk after the show.
	Well, in your first message to us, you said that you're a Christian and a virgin waiting for marriage.
	However, I think you clarified later on, saying that you're saving yourself for the person you feel like you're going to marry, which is different than waiting for marriage.
	Yeah, that's why I made that clarification, because I don't want to necessarily wait to the day that we get married, but if I feel like we have a strong, because I just, my whole thing is like when I lose my virginity to someone, I want it to be about our connection and our emotions.
	Sure.
	And, you know, like I said, I've been single for three years, and none of my relationships have been really healthy, and they were when I was in high school.
	So yeah, I'm just waiting for the person that I feel like we have a strong connection, and we'll probably, you know, be together for a really long time.
	Okay.
	And what I, in your pre-show notes, and thank you for being so detailed, you mentioned that you're Christian.
	However, you said you have very liberal views, strongly support LGBTQ community, feminism, women's rights in general.
	You are pro-choice, correct?
	Especially the choice to have an abortion.
	You're into socialism and unconventional family dynamics.
	What does that mean really quick?
	What is unconventional family dynamics?
	I'm going to use polymer.
	Excuse me, polymer.
	Yeah, I like polyamory or gay relationships or since you don't like the they, them, some non-binary relationships.
	It's not that I don't like them, and I'm not using that word in the pronoun sense.
	I just, the pronoun thing is confusing to me.
	I can explain it to you later.
	Well, it's...
	right now look i i just don't i feel like if you look at somebody you can have a pretty reasonable assessment that's That's the issue, is that we've been following that tradition for so long that men and women look a certain way.
	And whoever created that?
	You know, where did you learn that from?
	I don't think men and women look a certain way, and that's what we're trying to change.
	I mean, every single person here is, besides Q and me and Nick, are female.
	Okay, and how many people are in this room, and how many people live in the world?
	Like, we're such a small percentage.
	Just by looking at you guys, I can make, like, I don't need to see your gonads.
	I don't even need to see your chromosomes.
	I can make a determination pretty simply.
	I mean, you're, yeah, but you're basing that opinion on a group of nine people.
	And, like, you are specifically, you say.
	I'm pretty sure, like, 99% of people I'd be able to, like, you said, reach out, girls, reach out to me.
	So obviously people who identify as a girl are going to reach out to you and you're going to have girls in here.
	Wait, what?
	Because you say you're like girls.
	I said casting women.
	Yeah.
	Women.
	Sorry, women.
	Girls, women, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Female.
	Yeah, so obviously people who identify as a woman are going to reach out to you.
	Okay.
	So you can't make that assessment based on just who's on your podcast.
	Well, I mean, I couldn't.
	I could walk around Isla Vista and with probably a 99% certainty determine whether someone's a male or female.
	Okay, let's do that experiment then.
	I'm down.
	What do you think my percentage rate would be on that?
	I think you'd be surprised with the college kids, yeah.
	I think I could probably even someone who I would say even somebody who considers themselves non-binary.
	I think I could guess whether they're male or female.
	Well, that's the issue.
	Well, do you at least acknowledge that somebody who's non-binary is male or female?
	No, they're not male or female.
	They're non-binary.
	No, that's gender.
	I'm talking about sex.
	I'm not going to try to guess someone's biological sex.
	For what reason would I do that?
	You do acknowledge there's a difference between gender and sex, though.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But you do, so male and female, that's in reference to sex, not gender.
	Okay.
	We can have a conversation about man and woman.
	Okay.
	Those are genders.
	Sex and female is, or male and female are sex, and man and woman is a gender.
	So you can't use female interchangeably with gender because it's not the same definition.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Do you acknowledge that somebody who identifies as non-binary can be male or female?
	Biologically, yeah.
	Okay.
	Do you acknowledge that somebody who identifies as a woman could be a male?
	Biologically?
	Yeah.
	Well, we're talking about sex.
	I mean, a yes.
	But, I mean, I think of someone, because you're talking about trans people, obviously, right?
	Are non-binary people trans?
	Well, you said if someone identifies as a woman.
	And that specific yes.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, I mean, yeah, biologically they started as a male, but I like to consider them a female because, I mean, that's, I'm just going to respect your difference.
	No.
	Well, you cannot become a male or female.
	I think that's just a difference in opinion.
	It's not.
	I would say even mainstream people who are transgender would agree that you cannot become a different sex.
	You cannot become a female.
	You cannot become a male.
	There is a conversation about becoming a man or becoming a woman.
	That's very different, though.
	I mean, what about, like, if you get, like, a gender reversal surgery or, like, I don't, isn't that essentially kind of, I mean.
	You can get fake tits.
	That doesn't make you a male.
	At its core, yeah, you still have like XX chromosomes or XY chromosomes, sure.
	But you can transition as much, you know, as you want to.
	Yeah, you can.
	I mean, there's, you can identify as a, you were born as a female, you can identify as a male.
	Or excuse me, you were born as a female, you can identify as a man.
	Mm-hmm.
	Yeah.
	But you can't, you're not a male.
	Your sex can't change.
	Like I said, I mean, you have hormones.
	I mean, there's different surgeries you can get.
	I mean, I think essentially you're inserting yourself with biologics of the opposite gender.
	Like, what would you say about hormones then?
	Like, do hormones do nothing?
	Do you think that the difference between male and female can be diminished to just the endocrine system?
	I think in this day and age, yeah.
	Just the endocrine system.
	What about the muscular skeletal system?
	What about the cardiovascular system?
	Do you not acknowledge there's differences?
	I do acknowledge that, but there's no therapy to change someone's cardiovascular system, for example.
	That is true.
	Or their muscular or skeletal system.
	Estrogen and testosterone does change stuff like muscle.
	It does have an impact, but it doesn't.
	For example, there's certain differences when it comes to the angle of, I believe, the hip, for example.
	Okay, then I would agree.
	Yeah, there's some bio.
	Okay, let me phrase it this way.
	There are some biological aspects that, yeah, you just can't change with surgery.
	But we, like, as time has gone on, we've accepted more transgender people.
	We've offered them more care.
	There are, like, there are drastic ways you can go about, you know, appearing as the gender that you would like to identify with.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	I would just like to ask a question.
	So if gender and sex are two different things and gender is a social construct, then what's the point of getting sex reassignment surgeries if you're transgender other than like, what is it called?
	Body dysmorphia, which is like, even if you're not transgender, you can have that.
	You can.
	So what's the question?
	You can be like anorexic, whatever.
	Like, what's the point of sex reassignment surgeries if gender and sex are two different things and gender is a social construct?
	I think that's the issue that Brian and I were running into.
	It's like, yes, they are two different things.
	Gender is a construct and sex is something factual and biological.
	But I think and like we were saying, there are some aspects that you're not going to be able to change completely when it comes to your sex.
	But why try to change anything at all if gender and sex are separate and gender is a social construct?
	Why try to change?
	Because people who are trans, they feel extremely uncomfortable and troubled by the fact that they still have biological parts of the gender they do not identify with.
	So don't you think that we should be approaching that issue from the psychological point?
	Like why do you feel uncomfortable instead of putting them through these drastic surgeries?
	I mean, are you talking about adults?
	Because I feel like kids would be a different.
	Well, in general.
	Okay, I'm going to speak for adults then because I think kids would be way different.
	But can you reframe?
	What was the question again?
	Here, let's move on.
	Okay, yeah, that's a whole other conversation.
	That's another conversation.
	Yeah, sorry to straight away.
	You did say unconventional family dynamics, though.
	So you're saying like kids growing up in like polygamous.
	Yeah, or like gay relationships.
	Because I see a lot of propaganda that are like, oh, if you have a child in a gay relationship, your child is more likely to grow up gay.
	And there's statistics that show whether a child grows up in a heterosexual or a homosexual household, they have the same probability of being gay or not.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I mean, typically, though, when I think of unconventional family dynamics, if there's two loving parents in the household, cool.
	Yeah.
	What I think, where I think it probably gets a little difficult is if there's like three parents, so it's like polyamory.
	I think that's probably a little can be.
	Oh, I think another one that comes to mind, like unconventional, because you said like two happy parents, like single moms, like, I think you can, like, there are plenty of single moms out there, and I think you can, like, you know, completely raise a child by your own.
	I mean, it's going to be really difficult, and if you have a support system, that'll make it a lot easier.
	But yeah, I support those kind of family dynamics as well.
	Okay.
	I mean, I think it's better if you can have two parents in the house.
	I mean, arguably, yeah.
	Statistically proven too.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I'm not saying it's better to have a single mom, but I think you can definitely do it.
	Like, it's not responsible.
	It is done, yeah.
	Yeah.
	But I think if you have two parents in the household, it's probably better for the child.
	I mean, probably, yeah.
	Yeah.
	And then social, there's a lot.
	Socialism.
	Okay.
	I feel like we should move on to the relationship status.
	No, no, I'll get through it really quick.
	So there's the socialism.
	So what's that mean to you?
	I mean, think about absolutely everything in this country you have to pay for.
	Like the parking spot I'm in right now, I should be paying for that.
	Isn't that ridiculous?
	Like you have to, everything is capitalized upon.
	If we had a socialistic society, number one, people wouldn't be as rich as they are right now, and we wouldn't have class differences like we have right now.
	Like, I think we live in a system where they purposely want different classes.
	They purposely gatekeep education.
	Why is education so expensive?
	You know?
	You mean like higher education?
	Higher education.
	Yeah.
	Why is education so expensive?
	Probably because the government, you cannot discharge your student loans through bankruptcy.
	Therefore, these companies, both the government and corporations that issue student loans, have no incentive to deny people student loans because it can't be discharged in bankruptcy.
	So, yeah, that's probably part of it, I reckon.
	Yeah, but isn't that, but that's the thing is, like, isn't that unfair?
	Like, because you're talking about all these corporate, like, if we didn't live in such a capitalistic society, we wouldn't have a conversation about all these big corporations because they'd be under control.
	So, are you proposing what?
	Like, how should society look?
	I mean, obviously, I'm not going to change the whole society by myself, but how should it look?
	I mean, look at countries like Norway.
	Like, Norway is a really small one, so it's a little bit hard to compare.
	Isn't Norway capitalist?
	No, they're socialist.
	They also have social media.
	I mean, they have economically, though, aren't they capitalist?
	No.
	They have a social.
	I'm not.
	There's two public universities, and you don't have to pay to go.
	Well, you can have free education, but still live in a.
	I'm not, this is not a topic I'm super well versed in.
	And that's the other thing, too.
	Maybe chat can tell me, I'm pretty sure Norway, it's still a capitalist society.
	No, I have a friend from Norway.
	Norway.
	My ex is Norwegian, so I can actually answer this one.
	It's not a capitalist society, but it is very hard to live there.
	They do have free health care and free education, but they also have to serve in the military.
	Yeah, and they are UI.
	But let me ask.
	For men, it is.
	Let's just make sure we're talking about the same thing.
	So in Norway, you mentioned a parking spot earlier.
	Yeah.
	You're saying in Norway, you don't.
	Look, this is not a topic I'm particularly well versed in.
	There's no currency in Norway.
	Don't they have kroners?
	Isn't the nationality?
	Yeah, but not absolutely everything you have to pay for.
	Like, think about it.
	You have to pay for absolutely everything in this country.
	You have to pay for.
	I've been to Norway.
	It's very expensive.
	but that's because a lot of people have a lot of money because no they don't the average The average salary of a Norwegian individual is like $67,000.
	And it's more expensive to live there.
	It's $14 per McDonald's.
	Well, they're also very wealthy because of their, the government set up a fund related to their natural resources.
	What is it?
	Oil?
	I think so.
	I'm not sure.
	I don't know.
	I don't know where we're going.
	Welcome to the whatever dating to talk podcast.
	Okay, so society, you shouldn't have to pay for things is what you're saying.
	Everything should be free?
	No, I don't think everything should be free.
	But you mentioned the parking spot.
	That should be free.
	That's something I should have paid.
	Okay, like when I go.
	Sorry, I'm getting heated because this is something that makes me mad.
	Like when I go to school, for example, UC Santa Cruz.
	It's either I go and I pay for parking and there's not like I could drive up there and there's like no parking and I'm like, what am I going to do?
	I'm just going to be late for class.
	I have to risk getting a parking ticket, like parking in a spot I'm not supposed to.
	Or I take the bus that never comes like at the time it's going to come.
	Like why is transportation so difficult for me?
	Like to go to the school that I pay so much money for already.
	I have to pay for coffee.
	I have to pay for it.
	It's just like, I already pay you guys all of this money.
	Where is it going to?
	So coffee should be socialized?
	It was just an example because I had this one day.
	I was like, I gotta pay for parking.
	I gotta pay for my coffee.
	And it was like seven.
	And it's like, I already give this school so much money.
	They should be offering some resources for free.
	Coffee should be free.
	We should not be paying for coffee.
	If you pay, like if you pay $20,000 of tuition to your college.
	But so then you could also make the argument that it pays for your library.
	It pays for your professors.
	your tuition actually does go to something.
	Do I think schools, I paid a hellacious amount of money for school.
	And I, that was.
	But that was a choice that I made.
	It's a choice of also what school you go to.
	You can choose to go to a community college first.
	Save.
	I'm a big advocate for community college.
	First two years out of a shit ton of money and then decide to transfer at that point.
	You can save so much money.
	I think it is ridiculous that you have to spend so much money on parking.
	UCSD, I didn't know that I looked at it.
	Seven Deadly Simpsons donated $100,000.
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	Which is comes back like 777 decillion 777.
	Thank you, Seven Deadly Simps.
	Appreciate it.
	I appreciate it, man.
	77 septillion, 777 septillion, 700,000.
	It's going to go for 77 quintillion.
	We're close to that.
	777 quadrillion.
	Socialism.
	We'll come back to all of that.
	seven hundred and seventy seven million seven hundred and seventy seven thousand seven hundred and seventy seven Wow okay he added something new there Thank you, man.
	I appreciate it.
	And just the last thing.
	Okay, so, but so you're a Christian, but like, don't some of your views kind of counter to Christian doctrine?
	I mean, I feel like you're asking me so many questions I could talk a lot about.
	I feel like we should move on to the relationship.
	I know.
	I just people don't want to hear me blabber.
	Well, here's the last thing.
	I mean, so the one that strikes me as the most kind of contradictory a little bit is, so you're pro-choice, right?
	But when it comes to Christianity, the Christian doctrine, wouldn't that indicate that you ought to be pro-life?
	I mean, it could.
	Like, what doc, like, are you talking about a specific doctrine?
	Like, what are you talking about?
	Like, a doctrine of money.
	I can't cite to a sense of.
	That's what I'm saying.
	It's like, do you even know it's a core religious value of Christianity if you can't even tell me where it's at?
	Well, I'm not particularly well versed in the Bible, but perhaps, I don't know if you knit me together in my mother's womb.
	And can you interpret that in modern English, please?
	So that's a Bible verse saying that God created you inside your mother's womb.
	And there's another Bible verse, I'm blanking on it, but like he knew you even before then.
	Does anybody know that Bible verse?
	Like the one, he knit you together in your mother's womb, and then there's another one, but I can't think of the second one right now.
	Well, okay.
	I feel like he knew you before you were created.
	In your mother.
	Yeah.
	Like he knew you before you became an actual person.
	Like he knew your soul and your like spirit.
	Yeah, that's that's the idea.
	I can't remember like the exact verse, but that's I don't know exactly what it is.
	Okay, Grim Reaper 69 donated 100.
	No, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Question for the ladies.
	If the Grim Reaper comes and says, Should I take your life or your husband's?
	Who do you choose?
	We'll go around the table on this.
	We'll start with you.
	Go ahead.
	My husband?
	Of course.
	Sorry.
	It depends on the situation.
	Just however you take the question.
	I mean, if he's a shitty husband, bye.
	But if, like.
	Let's say He's a good husband.
	If I love him enough, yeah, I would take mine.
	Okay.
	I'd take mine.
	Depends if we have kids.
	I'd say probably take the.
	I'm sorry, I'm off into my husband, but I'll take care of the kids.
	If you have kids, you.
	No, if we have kids, him.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, yeah, the Grim Reaper takes the husband.
	If you don't have kids, also the husband.
	I'll sacrifice.
	I'll sacrifice him.
	Oh, you'll sacrifice?
	Okay, all right.
	I'm going to heavens.
	Emily, what about you?
	Answer the mic?
	If I had kids, me.
	I'd want my husband to make sure they're safe.
	Didn't have kids.
	If I didn't have kids, probably.
	Also the husband?
	Probably, no, probably still me because I wouldn't marry someone unless I really loved them and I wouldn't.
	I'd still you.
	So it would be me either way, but if I had kids.
	Do you get saved or you get saved?
	No, I would die.
	So both ways, both situations.
	If I had kids, even more me, because I'd want my husband to make sure they're safe.
	And yeah.
	And then if we didn't have kids, I just wouldn't want to be alive without my man.
	Sophia?
	Me, because I know that I would go be with Jesus, and also because there is no greater love than to lay down your life for another.
	So definitely me.
	If it's just the two of us, me, but we have kids, him.
	Lynn?
	I'd say me, especially if I have kids.
	Okay.
	Bender the Effendi.
	Yeah, what's up, Bender the Dead?
	American Idiot by Green Day was ahead of its time, and the Skittles colored lady proves it.
	I don't flex on him.
	Do you have a response?
	Besides that, is that that was the response?
	Okay.
	Do I recall?
	Hey, Bender the Effector.
	Good to see you in the chat, man.
	Much appreciated.
	Okay, so here, moving on.
	Maybe we can come back to some of that stuff later.
	What about you?
	I'm recently single.
	Recently single?
	How recently?
	We've been on and off, kind of trying to do the breakup, but it would say officially like a month and a half.
	Okay.
	Longest relationship?
	Three and a half, almost four years.
	Three to four years.
	Okay.
	And I had, you provided some pre-show notes here.
	I'm just going to go through them really quick.
	So you said two out of your three of your serious relationships came from Tinder.
	It did.
	Dating app.
	Okay.
	You also did a challenge that you did, 50 dates in 50 days with 50 different guys.
	That was the attempt, yeah.
	So I didn't start dating until I was 19.
	I was homeschooled for most of my life, so I graduated early, and then I was in college at like a very young age.
	So I was like, I legally can't date anyone for a while.
	And then once I was, everyone kind of called me prude.
	So I was like, screw it.
	I'm going to see what's out there.
	And I was like, go big or go home.
	So I was like, I'm going to go on 50 dates in 50 days with 50 different guys.
	And so my longest relationship was date 14 on the first attempt.
	And then we were together for almost four years.
	And then we broke up very viciously.
	And then I was like, might as well finish it.
	So I was like, I'll go on.
	I'll try and keep going.
	And then my next relationship was date number nine.
	And then that ended.
	He got deported.
	He's the one from Norway.
	He got deported.
	Funny enough.
	Did he overstay his visa?
	No, yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, he had to go.
	And then last relationship was a friend that turned into this.
	This whole okay, 50 dates, 50 days, 50 different guys.
	So the first one, 14 dates in.
	Now, so what you're saying is prior to finding your relationship from date 14, you went on 14 dates with 14 different guys within that two-week period before meeting him.
	Yeah.
	So you went on a date with a new guy every single day without miss.
	Without miss.
	One day I even went on two dates in one day.
	Okay.
	And then just a question though.
	So date 14, did you know, like, so you had the first date.
	Did you like you knew right away?
	Yeah.
	After our date, I got in my car and I was like, I can marry this guy.
	And then I said, that's a weird thought.
	And then I was like, I really like this one.
	And then did you cut it off with?
	Yeah, I had two more weeks lined up and I cut all the guys off.
	Oh, you had two more dates lined up?
	I had two weeks.
	I had two weeks upcoming.
	Yeah.
	You pre-booked.
	I pre-booked.
	Two weeks, and you cut them all off.
	You cut them off.
	What about the previous 14 guys?
	I ghosted them.
	You ghosted them?
	Yeah.
	I really liked this one.
	Okay.
	And then you did that.
	Then you broke up with that guy and then you did this again, but you only got to date nine.
	Yep.
	So then you had nine dates in a row.
	Yep.
	And then again, your most recent relationship, I guess, 12 dates in a row.
	I went on 12 dates and dating in the bay is very different than down here.
	And I told myself I wasn't allowed to date for six months and I kind of like put myself, because I'm a serial monogamous.
	I've been in relationships for, I think, the past nine years altogether, except for those little stints.
	Sure.
	I highly recommend women do it because you you recommend women do what you did.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	So reason being is because I feel like a lot of women are picky and they don't give a lot of guys a chance.
	So if you have to book it out, you have to actually give people a chance.
	And I think that would be good for women.
	Are you really giving men a chance, though, if you're dating 14 of them in a two-week period?
	You're giving guys a chance that you never would have talked to.
	And then if you find, like, the guy I ended up in a relationship with is someone I never thought I would ever actually date.
	Like, he was not someone who, like, in the profile.
	I thought he was cool, but I didn't actually.
	I didn't know until I went on a date, huh?
	You weren't physically attracted to him?
	No, he was a very attractive guy.
	He's just not my typical type.
	Was he attractive?
	That right there?
	I mean, all the guys were attractive.
	It was, I mean, in their own ways, but, I mean, you couldn't go on dates with guys.
	He was a little, he was very, I don't really go for blondes, and he was a blonde, so.
	He was very, I don't really go for blondes, and he was a blonde, so.
	Well, okay, so you, the first time you tried this, you were able to secure 14 dates with 14 different guys in a 14-day period.
	Yep.
	And it sounded like one of the days you did two dates two days.
	Have you ever done three dates in one day?
	No.
	Have you have you done was it just one time you did two dates in one day?
	Have you done that a couple times?
	I've only done it once.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Well, I mean, the first thing I would say to that is women have dating on easy mode.
	I agree.
	Women absolutely have dating on easy mode.
	Even I can never get 50 dates in a week.
	Bro, like, highly prescheduled for, like, an average guy is, what, lucky to get one date in a month or something?
	Two.
	Yeah.
	Two?
	Two in a month.
	Yeah, women have dating on easy mode.
	That's, I mean, look, I know it's not a shock to me, but it's like, yeah, you got that shit on easy mode.
	But I would like to say, also, the dates weren't like I was getting free meals every time.
	I have a question.
	Do you have a brother?
	Don't.
	You don't have any siblings?
	I have, I mean, I have half and step.
	Half and step?
	My dad's on his third marriage, so.
	Good times.
	So you have a half brother?
	No.
	Half sisters.
	Oh, half sisters.
	Okay, okay.
	Never mind.
	Let's see.
	You said in your messages to us, I hear stories of women getting the red carpet brought for them on the first date.
	I feel like I'm lucky if a guy will pay for a meal for me in the bay.
	Don't get me wrong.
	I've had some amazing dates, but men in the bay have no clue how to date.
	I agree.
	So you want the guy to pay for the first date?
	Is that?
	I would like that.
	You want them to.
	And it also doesn't have to be dinner.
	Like, I'm totally down for coffee or like ice cream.
	But you'd want them to pay.
	I would love the offer.
	I had a guy one time on a date for a coffee date, walk up in line with Starbucks.
	He goes, oh, I forgot my wallet.
	Walked back to the door.
	I paid for it.
	I have no problem paying for my oatmeal.
	That's perfectly fine or my own coffee.
	I paid.
	He walked right back to me and goes, I do this so I don't have to pay for girls' stuff.
	Okay.
	So.
	Hold on.
	So the 14 day.
	Hold on.
	I'm trying to.
	I lost my train of thought.
	14 dates.
	Okay, I remember.
	Would you tell the guys that you were doing this?
	No.
	But I mean, everyone's casually dating.
	Yeah, but most guys are don't.
	Most guys are not.
	And frankly, most men don't have the capability to go on a date every single day of the week.
	It's a lot of work.
	I'd say even really attractive guys, I'd say guys even more attractive than your looks equivalent.
	It's like, it's not going to be that easy to schedule a day, a date every single day of the week.
	Because guys, like if you make yourself available to them, I'm free this date.
	They're going to take that opportunity, whereas women are typically not as flexible with I said, I also did it because it made me, it forced me to give multiple, like different types of people a chance at maybe a different city.
	Sure, that's from different races, different ethnicity, all that.
	And so different ages.
	Sure.
	But what you did, and I get flack for this, what you did is actually one of my arguments for why I think men should not pay for first dates.
	Because I don't want to feel like a sucker.
	I'm going on a date with you and you just went on 10 dates in the past 10 days with 10 different men.
	Oh, you have a, you said you went on two dates in the night, so I'm going to go on a date with you, and then afterwards, you have a date with another guy.
	I'm going to feel a certain type of way about that.
	So like this expectation, this expectation of traditional treatment when you have so many options and you're dating so many people, it's like, I'm not going to pay for you.
	I'm not going to be traditional when, like, it's, I get that we're not, we wouldn't be exclusive, but if I found out, if I went on a first date with the chick and she saw a guy after me, you're not, yo, you're not getting any traditional treatment.
	Like I said, you can go on the date and you, I actually am all for like going out and doing things that don't cost little to no money.
	Going to hike free.
	Like you can go on a hike, I think.
	If I knew, like, if I knew this going into the date, somehow I became privy to the fact that you were dating multiple dudes, even if there was no expectation that I was going to pay, I would just cancel on you.
	I wouldn't go on a date with you.
	If I found out this chick was dating this many dudes, goodbye.
	They can have you.
	But if it's just a date, then why?
	Like, if you're not sleeping around.
	It doesn't matter.
	It's just getting to know people.
	I feel like it's different if you're actually building something with this person.
	And like, I was just like, I'd like a girl that's properly single and that's not talking to 50 other dudes.
	I concur.
	Hold on.
	Not only had she been on 14 dates prior, probably still texting with them, she had a date planned out for the next 14 days.
	So let's say I had a genuine interest in her.
	I wanted to set up a second date.
	Oh, you're booked up for two weeks.
	Fuck out of here.
	I'm not dealing with that.
	I'm going to find a girl that's properly single and then I'm going to talk to her.
	But it's also like you're meeting these people on a dating app and you're just meeting with, like, if it's your first meeting, like, you, you didn't.
	Oh, she's free to do it.
	It was your first time.
	Like, you're just getting to know them.
	Like, when I go like on date, like, when I was on a dating app and I would go on like dates, like it wasn't even like really a date.
	It was just like, hey, I'm meeting you in person.
	That look, you're free to move in that way, but what I'm saying is that I kind of understand what you're saying, but like if it's just a date, like you're just getting coffee or lunch or something, then I don't, and I, I understand, I kind of understand like why you say, like, you wouldn't want to pay, like, okay, fair.
	I think I don't even want to go on the date.
	Exactly, but that's the part that I don't understand.
	Because, like, not paying, like, okay, I get it.
	It would set you apart, though.
	And then she might want to go on another date with you, but from the 14, the 30 other men.
	All the guys have like the same mindset and they don't pay.
	Like, she was saying, like, this guy went out to his car to grab his wallet so that he wouldn't have to pay.
	What happened to the days?
	It's like liking the person and you both like that.
	It's hard if they have to.
	Even for women.
	No, here's the thing.
	It's really hard to find someone that you actually like.
	And if you are a woman who's career-oriented or you focus on school, I would love to know how you're supposed to meet someone if they're not in your immediate proximity.
	And I'm not dating someone that I work with.
	I think it's a personal reference, though.
	Yeah.
	I wouldn't want to be with the guy who's like going on dates personally.
	But here's the thing.
	You could also go on a date with a guy who's sleeping with three different women.
	Why would you be more okay with that and not have him actually going to go meet someone and genuinely find someone?
	As soon as I found someone that I was like, this guy's great.
	I have no desire to even talk to these other men.
	And out of respect, I wasn't exclusive with him.
	I mean, it's one date.
	But at the same time, it was something where if I saw that there was actual potential, I cut it all off.
	And I have no problems doing that too.
	If I was that guy who really liked you and I knew that you had.
	He felt flattered.
	He honestly, when we actually were in a relationship, I said, as soon as I met you, I cut it off with every other guy.
	I think it's out of respect.
	And it makes a man feel more special.
	If you know she had options and she chose you and you chose her, even after the first date, you knew there was potential.
	There's a difference of that.
	If you're going out on a date with someone and you're hooking up or you're doing whatever you want to do, that's perfectly fine, but that's your choice.
	But if you're just going to go get to know people, I mean, if someone's actually looking for a relationship and they want to meet someone, like, by all means, why should you waste your time going on?
	I think it's mean when a girl leads a guy on for so long.
	You go on seven dates and the guy's paid for everything.
	I think that's messed up and the girl knows it's not going anywhere or the guy's just trying to hook up with the girl.
	Like, I don't think it's bad if you actually say, hey, I'm looking for something.
	And if you, if you're giving people a shot, and I think that's a big thing is like our date ended up being like six hours long.
	And it was just because we wanted to talk and we got to know each other and we really found each other intriguing and he's very articulate.
	Look, so just to bring it back to what I was talking about.
	So originally what I was saying is in that situation, I would not want to pay for the first date.
	I wouldn't even want to go out.
	I wouldn't even bother going out with a girl who's doing that.
	I mean, you're kind of gamifying courtship and dating.
	I get it.
	But you might say, well, you're single.
	You don't owe it to a guy to only be talking to him.
	Personally, I think it's pretty.
	It's actually very easy to date just one person at a time.
	But I only date.
	Like I said, I kind of don't know what to do.
	There's a difference between going on first dates and dating around.
	Like if you're going on multiple dates with multiple people, there's a difference than going on first date.
	You went on a date and then that was first date.
	You knew, and then you knew whether you want to go on another date or not, right?
	Did you kiss any of those guys on the first date?
	A few of them.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, in my defense, one of them, it wasn't by choice on some of them.
	One guy picked me up and put me upside down and kissed me.
	It was very awkward.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'll just say, like, look, you don't owe it to a guy to only be talking to him.
	And we as men, we don't owe it to you to adhere to outdated, unfair gender roles, like paying for the first date.
	You can get your own ride.
	You can open your own door.
	You can pay for your own meal.
	And if you're going to be entertaining dozens of other men while you're talking to us, then out the window goes traditional gender roles.
	So can I ask on this part?
	When you're saying talking to someone, I mean, I'm a girl.
	I don't really, I mean, if you're on a dating app, I think it's nicer to talk, meet people as soon as you can in person.
	Like, yeah, you can have cordial conversation.
	There's some people who will spend weeks talking to someone and then they meet them and feel like there's no real chemistry or, you know, they're really good at texting, but in person, they're not that very articulate or they're not that comfortable.
	Like, you're able to portray a different mask of who you are, I guess you can say through text.
	I meet people, we match, we say, hey, you know, are you free this day?
	They say, yeah.
	Like, and that's as quick as it is.
	So it's not like they've invested weeks of conversation or that.
	I think that's, I think that's messed up.
	But if you said, hey, I think you're attractive.
	You think I'm attractive?
	I think we have really good banter.
	I thought your profile is cold.
	Do you want to meet next Thursday?
	I feel like most guys would actually prefer a girl who does that versus investing all this time texting and then you find out she's dating other people or you meet her in person and she's like, hey, you know, I'm not really feeling it.
	And you're like, damn it, I've been talking to this girl for like two weeks.
	We can meet up relatively quickly and still not be dating like 20 other men at the same time.
	Is your issue that she had like the two weeks like pre-scheduled or that she was going on dates every day?
	The whole thing just makes me uncomfortable.
	The whole fucking thing is it because you can only get two dates a month.
	Is that why?
	Is it because you're jealous that women have an uneasy mode?
	I think it's just a little bit more.
	No, it has nothing to do with it.
	It has nothing to do with jealousy.
	That's just not a woman that I want to associate with.
	That's personal reference, too.
	Everybody has different references.
	Right.
	And if everyone has different opinions, like you can totally respect someone's preference to not want to date somebody who's dating around with multiple people.
	Like dating around with multiple people is really simple.
	It just means you're going out with multiple people.
	And a lot of men like Brian don't want a girl that goes on multiple dates, but some guys don't care.
	I'm just trying to understand.
	Like if she's just meeting with people, like she's not like hoeing around, so to speak.
	Like she's not sleeping around, whatever.
	She's just meeting people, talking to them.
	Like, I don't, she's not even emotionally invested at that point.
	She's just getting to know them.
	I'm just trying to understand.
	I don't know.
	Let me try to put it this way.
	Let's say, because I'm not, for me, I don't really have an interest in one-night stands or just fucking a girl once and maybe stringing her along a bit.
	I'm dating, like, if I'm pursuing a girl, let's say we do hook up, I want there to be continuity, I want to continue seeing her.
	I want it to maybe lead to a long-term relationship.
	So my issue would be: if this is going to be my future girlfriend, if this is going to be my future wife, if this is going to be my future mother of my children, I'm going to feel a very strong type of way if I found out that the first time I met her, the first date I had with her, she, oh, fuck.
	Getting passionate there.
	She was on a, after her date with me, she went on a date with another guy.
	That to me is just kind of fucking scummy.
	I don't know what to say.
	Wait, wait, but I think that's different.
	When you went on a date with somebody that you actually liked, then you wouldn't go on the third guy, right?
	No.
	When I saw potential, I cut off all future dates because out of respect to him, I don't want to keep doing that.
	No, right, but okay.
	So it was just before, like if this was like your future wife and you were like married or whatever, or you're the mother of your children and you found out that she was, she had like 14 days with dating, you were the 14th guy, but after you, she didn't see anyone.
	What does it matter?
	Like if she, like, I understand like body count, but this is different.
	Like, it's not a body count.
	It's just she's meeting people.
	Okay, so she gave an example of where in one day she went on a date with two different men.
	That's like, to me, it's like, what's going on here?
	But if you were interested to find a first guy, I'm trying to find a long-term relationship.
	Okay, so if you were, if you went on, so one day you went on a date with two guys on the same date.
	If the first one you felt some kind of way for, would you have broken off the second one the same day?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Let's say, for example, Well, first off, I would say that while she might have broken it off with all those other guys, she may have very well, there might have been some other contenders.
	Were there some other contenders?
	Or all 13 of those guys were just no-go's?
	There was like one or two that like I was like, okay, I could see going on a second date.
	Maybe that could be a picture of that.
	Okay, let's say you didn't.
	Let's say you didn't meet the guy who you were like, whoa, this is the one.
	Okay, I'm cutting everybody else off.
	But there were a couple that you wanted to continue seeing.
	Maybe second date, right?
	Okay, so you go on a second date with them, and then eventually it maybe leads to something more long-term with those guys.
	I mean, the whole time I'm seeing you, I'm going on dates with you, whatever, you're talking to other guys who knows what else you're doing.
	You're saying you're not doing anything else with them.
	I'm not.
	No.
	Maybe you move that way, but a lot of people don't move that way.
	I agree.
	I just would feel, I'd feel a certain type of way about that.
	I would.
	And I respect that, but it's also one of those things that, would you argue that if men had the option to do that, they would do that?
	Because I think most of the men that I know, and I primarily work with men, would love that.
	Like, I see it from the two different dates.
	Men don't have the capability of doing that.
	But the argument could be that if a woman has to be more open, she's going to give other guys a shot and she could potentially meet someone.
	So if girl, I agree.
	I see girls, and I admittedly in the same way of like, if you're on a dating app, you swipe and it kind of gives you like a fun left, right, left, right kind of thing of what you're doing.
	And you put everyone to basically a picture and a profile.
	That's all it is.
	If women said, okay, I'm going to go on, let's make it more tame.
	Let's say five dates this month.
	Whether or not I have actually liked someone, I have to give more men a shot.
	And I think that actually works in men's favor.
	Because if a woman is going to say, okay, I have to go on, like I said, typically a lot of the guys that message, obviously they would have to be respectful in their comments or estimated $100.
	What do you all think about Donald Trump?
	Is he a misogynist?
	Would you vote for him?
	Okay.
	Thank you, Rippin' Lips.
	We can only do one question per TTS.
	So would you vote for Donald Trump?
	We'll do that one.
	Never.
	Oh, that's it?
	No.
	No.
	Hell yeah.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I don't really get into politics.
	I don't really get into politics just because I think it's a lot of time, and so I just don't vote in general.
	Okay, there you have it.
	Thank you, Rippin' Lips.
	Okay.
	I'm trying to think.
	Look, ultimately, just, look, probably most guys don't mind, right?
	Most guys, okay, whatever.
	But can I say, if more women gave other guys a shot that wasn't their typical type or whatever, you know, ridiculously.
	You're gonna do them a favor.
	That's even worse.
	Oh, she's not.
	It's not a favor.
	I'm just saying, it's not even a favor.
	It's saying women can't be as picky, which I think is a good thing.
	Because like I said, nothing about my ex.
	I thought he was a great guy and he's one of those things.
	But if I just saw his profile, he had a, like, it was fine.
	It wasn't anything that really stood out.
	Physically, he wasn't my initial attractive type.
	But once I met him and I got to know him, I'm a sapiosexual.
	So as soon as I get to know someone, if we can have a really good conversation, I found myself very attracted to him.
	So you'd more so mean dismissive.
	Because you're still picky.
	I mean, at the end of the day, it ended up being two out of fifty.
	Yeah, dismissive.
	So dismissive.
	So a lot of women, when they see profiles, they dismiss men on all kinds of parameters.
	You could also argue that men, I mean, depending on the guy, a lot of guys are still picky even if they say aren't the creme de la creme.
	So, I mean, but your motivation was simply to be more open to the idea.
	Yeah, open to it.
	Because it challenged me to actually say, okay, everyone has what they're naturally attracted to.
	Can I venture out of that?
	And he was someone that was outside of that.
	She's just being open, Brian.
	Would you guys rather have somebody who's dismissive?
	I don't know.
	Well, I wouldn't know.
	I would be dismissed.
	But in general, would you rather have women be more dismissive or dating more guys?
	It's a bias.
	Because if she's dating me, then yeah, I want her to be dismissive.
	But if I'm the one, if I want to be seen by her, then I would want her to give me a chance.
	Yeah, but so if, how do I say it?
	It's like, would you rather the scenario where a girl looks at your profile and she's dismissed and she's like, oh no, or she gives you a chance and then, you know, maybe you guys really hit it off.
	And like she said, that guy that you were actually interested in, like, you never thought that you'd be interested in him.
	So, you know, maybe it's the same way.
	Maybe she's like really into you and she just never would have thought based on your profile.
	Well, I mean, again, that's a bias because if it's me, we're talking about me, then yeah, I'm pretty sure I can charm any woman.
	But if it's somebody else, I might be more self-aware to know that this woman's not going to like me.
	Like there are a lot of guys who understanding just how selective women are, women are extremely selective.
	Y'all all know y'all are extremely selective.
	So women dismiss men.
	Women have a million turnoffs.
	So once one of those donated $99.
	The reason most men don't like when a woman has multiple dates lined up is that if Brian, for example, is the 14th dude in line, he would have to wait for the date and it's not a guarantee that the woman likes him.
	It's a waste of time and money for men.
	So you'd rather have dismissive?
	I'd rather just, like if a girl told me, by the way, Brian, I just had five dates this week.
	I've got five.
	I've actually, I was on a date with a girl who is totally unremarkable.
	Not like, and she told me, oh, she just downloaded the Hinge.
	She'd already been on three dates.
	She had two dates planned for the weekend.
	And I just lost all interest.
	I mean, I appreciate her telling me, but I'm like, they can have you.
	That's my thought process.
	Look, I get it.
	We're not.
	They don't have you.
	Like, it's just a date.
	Right, but if you're talking to that other dude, it's like, for me, like, I just don't want to deal with that.
	It's the principle.
	Like, I don't want to.
	Okay, so what's the principle?
	Your attention is divided.
	You're not like if you were.
	I know, look, I know you said you're not sleeping with all these guys, but it's kind of like the same principle as when it comes to body count.
	If you're fucking five other dudes and you're trying to sleep with me, it's like, fuck no, I don't even want to have sex with you.
	I don't want anything from you.
	And I respect that.
	I think that's perfect.
	But it's almost the same thing.
	With body count, your sexual attention is divided.
	With going on this many dates, your romantic attention is divided.
	I don't just want your sexual attention.
	I want your romantic attention.
	I want your emotional attention.
	And if you're talking to 14 other guys, to me, to some degree, it's, for example, I would think if I went on a date with a girl and she found out that I went on a date with two other girls that night, I would see how she might feel a little like a little off by that.
	She might feel a little disrespectful.
	So here's another question, though.
	Don't you think that a lot of women would actually, to be honest, be kind of attracted to that?
	Because you're a guy who's a demand.
	Well, that's a fair point.
	There is a differential there between men and women because I think women typically are how do I articulate this?
	Q, you got something for this.
	I have a thought on this, but I feel like you might.
	I'm trying to understand what you're saying.
	So if you could describe it.
	Well, she's saying that she's saying, well, for me, for example, it would be kind of, it would certainly be a turn off if a girl was sleeping with other men or dating other men.
	But a woman, some women might view a guy who's getting with other women as more desirable because women.
	Yeah, because it signals to other women that this guy has things that women desire.
	And if you don't feel special at the end of the day, if you and I were to go on, if you and I were to go on a date and I went on two, three dates prior and you felt some type of way, I could easily talk my way out of that.
	I could easily explain to you, you're different.
	I see you different.
	I'm a guy.
	I have less options.
	I have less opportunity.
	So I have to take advantage of my opportunities.
	You're more selective.
	You can afford to dismiss guys.
	You can afford to tell guys, I don't really, you know, you can afford to do that.
	Me, you can understand.
	He's just being a guy.
	And at the end of the day, women are still wired to know men are just being men.
	So, you know, we can compartmentalize.
	You know, you know we can compartmentalize sex and emotion.
	You know, we can compartmentalize, you know, liking a woman, but not wanting to be with her.
	So all of these things still leave the door open for you to understand that you have a shot.
	Whereas with guys, what Brian is saying is he's much more serious about the way he approaches dating.
	So because he's much more serious about the way he approaches dating, when he sees a woman that does things like go on multiple dates, he don't know if he can take her seriously because that by default is showing that her strategy for dating is basically bullshitting.
	That's what he's saying.
	Yes.
	That's awesome.
	Pretty much.
	Pretty much what to say.
	Brian, that's a good point.
	But that's why I feel like you don't tell somebody on a first date that you've just gone on 13 other dates with guys until you're in a serious relationship.
	And then maybe if it comes up, you're like, oh, by the way, that's a breakup.
	Goodbye.
	I don't know.
	I feel like that was a good idea.
	Like I said, he would be flattered if you're not sure if you've been dating for like two years.
	I mean, if it was previous, before you.
	Or if they ask you.
	Anyway, but no, I see your point now.
	I mean, if I knew that a guy, if I was like his third date that day, it would be a turnoff.
	But if we had been dating for like two years, whatever, we're serious.
	And he goes, oh, by the way, I was on this dating app.
	I was seeing a bunch of girls, but I picked you.
	I would feel like flattered.
	I'd be like, exactly.
	Right?
	Well, also, one thing that I'd like to clarify when I feel special.
	Yeah, sorry to cut you off.
	One thing I do would like to clarify is I get as far as the romantic attention.
	I agree with that.
	But if you're just matching with someone and you set a date right then and there, you have not romantically invested anything in me.
	Exactly.
	I haven't romantically invested anything in you.
	When we meet in person, it's going to be the first time we actually both invest time.
	And I think that that's a fair piece.
	Personally, I think it's the whole texting back and forth, seeing what they're going to say, waiting the three hours or whatever, because I see some people that are like, I don't want to seem too available or too needy.
	It takes a lot of time.
	But if you're like, hey, we matched.
	I think you're cute.
	I like something about your profile.
	I verbalize that.
	Are you free tomorrow at four for coffee?
	I feel like that's a fair investment.
	Neither of you have done it.
	The last thing I want to add to that is that it's really hard to get to know someone on a dating app unless you see them in person.
	So maybe dismissive.
	my argument is what if a girl was meeting it's the it's the frequency with which you are meeting What if it wasn't a date?
	What if you didn't call it a date?
	No, I don't think you're, I think you're failing to.
	I don't have an issue.
	Like, I don't object.
	It's not like you have to.
	I actually agree that you should not spend weeks on end being a pen pal with someone.
	I think you should meet up fairly quickly.
	What I object to is how many dates you were going on.
	First off, I don't know how you have the fucking time to do that.
	I don't sleep.
	I do it all throughout the day.
	Were you unemployed?
	No, I would do it on my lunch breaks.
	My lunch breaks are right.
	Yeah, like it could be a 15-minute date.
	It doesn't have to be three hours.
	some days it was like you both gotta eat right Why?
	50?
	I don't know.
	I just came up with a number.
	I'm an extremist.
	So I was like, might as well.
	Well, because here's the thing, too.
	If you actually have to, I'm sure it came from the movie, to be honest, the 50s.
	50 first dates, like I think.
	Wait, he went on, he kept having the same date with the same woman.
	No, I haven't seen the movie.
	I just heard the name.
	No, no, no.
	She had like amnesia.
	I'm pretty sure I'm not sure.
	I've seen it too.
	Adam Sandler, right?
	The number is a little bit different.
	She had amnesia.
	She had short-term memory loss.
	She had some amnesia or some shit.
	So he went on 50 dates with the same chick.
	Hello?
	I haven't seen the movie.
	So I don't know.
	I think that's where the inspiration came from.
	I think that's where it came from.
	That's like the ho version of that movie.
	Okay.
	I see your point.
	I see your point.
	I'm just saying, like, it's very easy to be dismissive, see something on someone's profile and think, like, oh, I'm not going to waste my time with them versus if you meet in person, then, you know, you can't really get to know someone online just based on their profile.
	So if you give them someone who's not going to be able to do someone arguing.
	But like, what are we supposed to do?
	Like, be like super picky or dismissive or whatever?
	Like, if you get matched with, like, I don't know, 100 guys in a day, then, and you're sitting there like super dismissive, like, no, not this one, not this one.
	Then, like, no one gets any chance.
	But she's not.
	I would say be even more selective then.
	Only go on the dates.
	I mean, I personally, like, I'm very picky on dating.
	No, I'm very picky on dating ass.
	Like, I understand what she's like.
	No, I'm very picky.
	I understand what she's saying.
	And I think, like, oh, that's good.
	Like, you're being open.
	Like, me, I'm super picky.
	So if I see, like, one thing in your profile, that's off to me.
	Like, it doesn't even have to be like a red flag.
	I'm just like, eh, I don't like that.
	Exactly.
	Because I don't want to be personally, I don't want to waste my time if I don't think that it's going to lead anywhere.
	But like she was saying, like, you never know because you might meet somebody and you might think, like, oh, I never thought it.
	I mean, that was me with my ex.
	Like, he was not my type at all.
	I never thought I would have dated someone like that.
	And that's dating.
	Look, ultimately, I'm just saying for me personally, maybe there's a bunch of men out there.
	They wouldn't mind if they were date number 22 in your game that you're playing.
	But I would not appreciate my, someone I'm going on a date with having, look, you don't owe me anything, right?
	If you want to go on three dates yesterday and the day before and sleep with a bunch of men, that's fine.
	That's your call.
	I know you weren't doing that.
	But I'm also free to have a standard of preference and a boundary of not wanting to date a woman who is moving and operating in that way.
	Some men might not care.
	Some men might even be like, ooh, competition.
	Okay, I want to be the winner.
	Cool.
	That's fine.
	Me personally, I'm just going to opt out.
	I don't want to date.
	I don't want to be involved with a woman who's gamifying like that and who's dating that many men.
	Yeah, I mean, he was essentially playing the Bachelorette.
	In a sense.
	And honestly, I wouldn't, I was offered to be on a bachelorette.
	I would never.
	Which season?
	It was two years ago, so I would never.
	Yeah, that dynamic is just like, okay, I don't want that dynamic.
	So here's the question.
	Because if you haven't met these people, let's say you're trying to find someone.
	You're trying to date.
	You're trying to find a long-term relationship.
	What is an acceptable amount to you?
	Because again, you should go on offering.
	I don't think you're going to like my answer to this.
	You want to date one guy at a time?
	Well, I don't think it's that hard to date one person at a time.
	But I mean, well, my joke answer was.
	But to meet them.
	My joke answer should be before she even became aware of my presence on this earthly plane, she has to have committed herself to me.
	No, I'm being a sympathetic.
	She watches the podcast and she's like, one day.
	But she has to have been celibate for two years before she even knew me, basically.
	No, that's my joke answer.
	But no, I think be properly single when you're dating.
	What does prodigy single mean?
	Don't be currently fucking anybody and don't be sorry.
	But she's not.
	She wasn't.
	I wasn't doing any of that.
	It's a first date.
	No penis in and around the mouth either.
	Yeah, none of that.
	You don't do any of that.
	That's cool.
	Also, just don't be dating like 14 days, 14 guys in like the past 14 days.
	That's so is so, but is it acceptable if a girl goes on a date once a week?
	I was gonna say, what if, like, what if someone had a date with you?
	What if she schedule the dates on the date on you?
	It's a spectrum.
	It is a spectrum, okay?
	So it's a spectrum.
	Like one date a week?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	It's still a little, I'm raising an eyebrow there.
	Is it a total deal breaker?
	Maybe, maybe not.
	Would it be preferable if it was once a month?
	Yeah, it'd be preferable.
	Would it be preferable if it was once a quarter?
	Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4?
	Yeah, you know.
	I have a question.
	So if there's like a virgin.
	Preferable.
	If there's a single girl.
	Why are you looking at me that way?
	So you would want somebody who's a virgin?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	how old are you again though well she doesn't have to be a virgin but that would be that would be optimum yeah why Why?
	Would I prefer low body counts?
	Yeah.
	Low body count, virgin.
	She doesn't have to.
	A girl doesn't have to be a virgin.
	To answer your question, I'm 34.
	Okay.
	So what do you expect at your age?
	That most women are going to be virgins at your age or with low body counts?
	No, I'd say women around my age probably are typically not virgins, but they're typically in the 50s range, probably.
	The 30s to 50s.
	You think that's the range?
	Well, yeah.
	What's your range right now?
	That's a very forward question for just meeting her.
	It's not that forward.
	I'd say I don't regret anyone I have slept with because I have always felt somewhat connected to them.
	That's the first time I've heard that.
	Like, even if it was a one-night stand, I still enjoyed who that person was, which is why I...
	Haram!
	Well, because that's how women are wired.
	Like, sex for women is very emotional.
	I mean, depends.
	If I'm like super drunk, accidents.
	But you don't even regret the accidents happening.
	You don't regret the accident happening?
	Because sexuality.
	I try not to live my life in regrets because if I do, then it just makes me like overthink it.
	And then I get to know that.
	Well, let me ask you a question.
	So you thought people kind of within my age range, their body count's going to be about 50.
	It's going to be like that.
	I mean, come on, you have to experience.
	Yeah, I mean, some of these chicks are going to be some of these changes.
	Maybe lower.
	That was a little bit dramatic.
	They do that shit in their freshman court, first freshman quarter of college.
	Like, so people your age, let's say between 18 and 20.
	Yeah.
	What would you say is like for a girl?
	Maybe you know some girls.
	What would you say is like the average body count for that age range?
	Especially with like college life.
	I feel like at the beginning of college, most people have around like six or seven, I would say.
	Really?
	Most people that I know, at least.
	What if I told you the average girl loses her virginity at 18?
	I mean, that's just, I'm talking about people that I know.
	Maybe not, like, five or six, like, you know.
	She belongs to the street.
	Not me personally.
	Could you say on the low end, six or seven?
	And then what's what do you think is the average ten?
	The stretch could be ten.
	I mean, like, come on.
	Like.
	I feel like I know people who have like 25.
	Yeah, I. There are some.
	Well, come on.
	We're in Santa Barbara.
	Not me.
	Come on.
	I think I think she has a point.
	I think it also depends on what kind of circles you're around or what kind of circles you're a part of.
	Oh, hold on.
	My dad is donated $100.
	Yo, Fu, you already know that Bachelorette wanted you on there for the diversity and would have greeted you with the three latest.
	They wanted me on that granny show.
	F no.
	Also, you talking all soft and fake.
	So let's get some alpha energy in La Rouge.
	You can go if you want.
	Oh, okay.
	But, oh, that's Mike Davis guys.
	The guy, he owns like 20.
	Sorry, like, excuse me, 230 Burger Kings.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah, he's got money.
	He's killing it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, let's move on from that.
	We still haven't gotten all the way through.
	I was going to say, did we even finish the whole relationship status?
	Like half a sentence?
	Really quick, really quick.
	So I just think it depends on what kind of circles you're a part of because in Christian circles, it's not common for women to be in their, like, what's it called?
	Their late 20s and be a virgin looking for that one man that they're going to marry.
	And that's preference, you know?
	Like, people just live differently.
	Yeah, but I'm just going to feel towards any of it.
	Because did you ask, like, what is he expecting?
	Because he's like 30 and does he expect to find a virgin?
	I'm saying like they're out there definitely.
	And like in Christian circles, like it's quite common, actually.
	So like it's.
	But the whole world isn't Christian.
	No, I know, but I'm saying like if that's what you want, then you can find what you want because it exists.
	Just depends.
	But I love it.
	Everything is on.
	Are you Christian?
	You're not Christian, right?
	I'm a man of God.
	Let's just say that.
	What does that mean?
	I'm a man of God.
	What does that mean?
	Don't worry about it.
	I'm worrying about it.
	You're worried?
	Yeah.
	The Christian woman is.
	I'm concerned.
	No, I want to know what that means for a man of God.
	I'm a man of God.
	I'll keep it vague.
	I'll keep it vague for now.
	I'm trying to think if we closed up on that.
	Here, let's get everybody's relationship status.
	We're already an hour and a half and we haven't even got that.
	What about you?
	Go ahead, Emily.
	I'm single.
	My first relationship was, I actually messed up earlier.
	I'm 19, not 18.
	I don't know why I said that.
	I just had a birthday, but thank you.
	So my first relationship was right after I graduated high school.
	We were talking in our senior year a little bit, and then we started dating for six months, and then I moved to San Louis, and then I found out he cheated on me.
	Probably like, that was like the second time.
	I'll be honest, I already knew he did before, but I forgave him.
	And then.
	This was in high school, right?
	This was after I graduated.
	So this was in 2022 still.
	So then, yeah, we ended that relationship December of last year.
	Then I was single up until, I think, May.
	But I didn't date him exclusively.
	We just dated for about three months and then recently ended it.
	So you're when did it when?
	We ended things in September, I think September 7th or something like that.
	Oh, so like a recently.
	Less than a month ago, like two years ago.
	Yeah, the guy that I was not exclusively with, but we were dating.
	What do you mean not exclusively with?
	So we went on a date probably like twice a week and like we were spending like we would spend like the whole day together about like twice a week and like we're talking every day but it wasn't like we never had a conversation like where I'm just seeing you and we're boyfriend and girlfriend and I tried to and which is why we ended things Oh, you tried to and then I wanted to make it exclusive because I really liked him and he kind of said like, oh, I don't want to tie you down.
	Like, I really like what we have.
	And I was like, oh, like, I don't.
	I like what we have, but I want something more.
	And I know I'm going to resent you if I keep seeing you.
	So I cut it off.
	And you would resent him?
	Yeah, I knew that if I didn't cut him off after he just told me he didn't want a relationship, I knew that I would resent him if I kept seeing him.
	So I was like, I can't see you anymore.
	And then we stopped talking for like four days.
	And then he sent me like a really long paragraph saying, I want to be in a relationship with you.
	And eventually I just need to take it slow right now because I have stuff to work on.
	But you're the one person that I want to be in one with if you want to take it slow.
	And then we took it slow for about two weeks and then he changed his mind and was like, yeah, never mind.
	He kept you strung along there for a little bit.
	For like two weeks, yeah, he was like.
	How long were you dating him total?
	We started dating in the beginning of June.
	So that's June, July, August, September.
	It would have been four months if we would have.
	So you really liked him.
	You started the conversation about exclusivity, boyfriend, girlfriend.
	He said no, basically.
	Basically, was that?
	And then you kind of broke up with him, sort of cut things off.
	It was in the same day.
	But then you continued seeing him for a two-week period.
	So yeah, what happened was the last day we saw each other, no, it wasn't the last time we saw each other.
	So when I told him I wanted to be in a relationship with him, he said that he didn't want to, that it wasn't something he was looking for.
	And that was in August.
	And then so I said, all right, I can't see you anymore.
	Went home that day, didn't talk to him for like a week, and then he hits me up saying, Hey, I really missed what we had.
	I don't want to lose like a possibility of having something meaningful.
	And I want to be in a relationship eventually, and I want to do that with you if you want to take it slow.
	And I was like, yeah, like totally for it.
	Then we saw each other, went on like two more dates, and then he just did it over text and was like, hey, we had that last conversation, but I just changed, I'm not ready for a relationship.
	So he was really vague.
	Have you spoken to him since the breakup?
	No.
	So that was September 7th.
	Yeah, we haven't spoken at all.
	And then you said that you, I don't know if this is his current boyfriend or the previous ex-boyfriend, you said in your pre-show notes, you've cut one of your boyfriends off, but he still sends you money and sometimes weed.
	Oh, I included that?
	Yeah, actually, he wouldn't be too mad if I like explained that.
	He's probably watching.
	Wait, is this the recent guy?
	From high school.
	No, the one that cheated.
	Old ex-boyfriend.
	Okay.
	Old ex-boyfriend.
	How long ago did you break up with him?
	I broke up with him.
	A year and a half?
	Almost a year ago.
	A year ago.
	Okay, so.
	Almost a year.
	You still talk to him, though, and he sends you money and weed.
	No, we actually don't talk.
	I talked to him for the first time.
	I talked to him for the first time yesterday, but before that, it had been like probably four months.
	And he would like hit me up on Telegram every once in a while.
	It's like a messenger app that, yeah.
	And I wouldn't really open it, but yeah, I would just get a package every couple months, and it would be a letter and some weed and some cash sometimes.
	So, yeah.
	You're like shocked.
	Well, I mean, it's not, wait, but you said he sends you money sometimes in weed.
	How much money would he send you?
	Like, you want like in total?
	Sure.
	Total.
	It's not that much.
	Like three grand.
	I mean, that's not nothing.
	So you just, you broke up with him and he'd send you, in total, three grand.
	In total, yeah.
	He sent me some for my birthday, and then before that, he sent me money to buy a car.
	How much in weed would he send you?
	Like a thousand in weed?
	Oh, probably more than that.
	More than that?
	Probably.
	Two thousand in weed?
	Probably around, probably around two, maybe a little over that.
	Two thousand in weed, okay.
	Yeah.
	I would just sell it.
	Oh, I spoke up.
	He's fueling me.
	So he cheated on you, but he still sends you money, and you guys broke up, and he also sends you drugs.
	Okay.
	It's already sound like it sounds.
	That's literally what's happening.
	It's a federally legal.
	Like, do you smoke weed?
	But it is a drug.
	Yeah, it is a drug.
	No, it's actually not federally illegal.
	No, not state legal.
	So it's federally illegal.
	That's fine.
	So, question.
	You were dating this guy, the most recent guy for since June.
	Did the guy, your ex-boyfriend, send you money or weed during the time period that you were talking to this new guy?
	Yes, but I never asked for any of it.
	And I never.
	Yeah, I never asked for any of it.
	He just sends you a picture of it.
	I've never asked for money.
	No, I've never asked for money.
	I've never asked him to send me weed.
	When I cut him off of all contact a really long time ago, and that's probably when the packages started rolling in because he had my address.
	And so there was no verbal contact.
	Like we weren't speaking, but I would get a letter and that's how he would talk to me.
	And then he would include maybe a couple grams, and then it started being more.
	And then it would you write him back?
	This is wait, hold on.
	This is wild.
	Like, not only, okay, earlier I said dating on easy mode.
	You have life on easy mode.
	Like, you, you have broken up with this man, and he is sending you thousands of dollars and marijuana.
	Huh?
	Like, women don't send me shit when I break up with them.
	To be fair, I don't think, wait, to be fair, I don't think she doesn't ask for it.
	It's a pretty privilege.
	To be fair, I don't think like anybody's ever gone through like some of the stuff I went through in that relationship.
	Like it was, I think he feels really bad for a lot of what he did.
	He's making it up to you.
	He's trying to make it up a lot of it.
	And it really, I mean, like, he's a great person.
	I feel like that takes really selfless to do that.
	So I think that's he trying to get he's trying to get back with you though, right?
	Maybe.
	I would never let money make me get back together with someone.
	I've told him that.
	Like it doesn't matter how much money you send me.
	It'll never make me want to be with you.
	But thank you.
	You deserve way better, girl.
	Is there some component though of you?
	Are you stringing him on a little bit?
	Are you leading him on?
	Well, she said she didn't write him back.
	No, yeah, I never.
	So yeah, I. I'm trying to turn it so this is facing you straight.
	Thank you.
	That's a good question because I actually felt really guilty about that for a long time after we broke up because we stayed in contact after we broke up for like maybe two or three months.
	And that made me feel really guilty because, yeah, that does feel like leading somebody on when you know someone's still in love with you and you're letting them still talk to you and like speak to you every day.
	It just, whether you're telling them you want to be with them, even just talking to them gives them that hope.
	So I cut it off because I was like, yeah, that's just fucked up.
	But he would still like send me letters and talk to me even after I cut everything off.
	So it wasn't my choice.
	Was he around your age?
	Same age?
	Yeah, we're the same age.
	Sending you thousands?
	You're 19.
	He's sending you thousands of dollars.
	Is this guy a drug dealer or something?
	Does he grow weed?
	Yeah, he's a drug dealer.
	He's a fucking drug dealer.
	He hit you up on fucking Telegram.
	That's how you know he's a plug.
	No comment.
	I- this- okay.
	I'm- I am constantly surprised by this shit.
	Okay.
	Well, hey, hey, good for you.
	Making some money.
	Okay.
	You wanted to talk on, let's see, in your pre-show notes to us.
	Man, there's so many pre-show notes from all you.
	Thank you guys.
	I'm not sure I'm gonna cover everything, but actually we're gonna go around the table, get everybody's relationship status really quick.
	Really quick before, though, I'm gonna do this chat.
	Vivina, hey, thank you so much for the donation.
	Brian, do you just say you prefer under five feet to sound as crazy as the six-foot preferences girls have?
	I've watched over 70 of the shows.
	Q-Pill.
	Whoa, First off, Q-Pill is a top-tier guest, Vivina.
	Q-Pill is a fucking giga chat.
	Whoa, what the fuck?
	And I will have you, I will not tolerate this.
	Vivina, you need to respect, you need to apologize to Q.
	Yeah, with a bottom-tier pussy.
	Whoa.
	Fuck.
	Whoa.
	Oh, my God.
	Wait, wait.
	You literally said you prefer short girls, though.
	I do.
	But like, you're 5'2, right?
	Yeah.
	How tall are you?
	5'1.
	Sorry, you guys are way too fucking tall.
	What the fuck?
	Gotten short of that.
	I like short guys.
	You guys are way too tall for me.
	I'm sorry.
	I like white guys.
	So it's not like you anyways.
	No, that's not.
	I'm not trying to, like, that's not what I was getting at.
	That's kind of a joke.
	Do I prefer?
	Yeah, okay.
	So.
	He literally talked about this earlier, too.
	He likes, if you're not like 4'11.
	No, I mean, I kind of joke a little bit about it because it's kind of the mirror image.
	You don't often hear like men having super strong high preferences.
	So when I say like, in the same way that women will reject men for not being over six feet, I'll reject women for being over five feet.
	It's revenge.
	It's revenge preference.
	What if a girl is like short?
	What if a girl is like my height, but she doesn't care if you're tall or short?
	Doesn't matter.
	You say short.
	Sorry.
	Collateral.
	You're too tall.
	In the same way, like, you know, how a lot of women will be like, oh, he's too short.
	Yeah, you're too tall.
	Sorry.
	Well, I'm blessed to be 5'2 because I personally like short guys anyways.
	Like my ex was 5'6.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Story, bro.
	Yeah.
	No, but when it actually comes to height, I do have a slight preference for short women.
	So I'll.
	So you like virgins and short.
	Oh, do you want to hear my preferences here?
	Let me get my list.
	Let's get your time.
	Let me get my fucking list here.
	I have it written down because it's not.
	So this is like your perfect woman written on paper.
	There's no such thing as perfect.
	Hold on.
	Not perfect, but like someone you would prefer to be with.
	Build a wife here.
	Yeah, where's my notes?
	Hold on.
	Okay, here, you ready, guys?
	Okay, here's what I want.
	So we'll start with looks.
	I've written this down.
	Wait, Q, don't read.
	Don't read.
	What if he has the same type, though?
	Oh, okay.
	So any race is fine.
	Okay.
	It's a good story.
	But slight preference for Asian women and white women.
	Slight preference for petite, fun-sized short women.
	Fun-size.
	5'2s, a bit tall, but you know, I'm wondering.
	No, so okay, when it comes to height, no issue dating a woman who's taller than me.
	Don't care.
	Height for me, it's never gonna be a deal breaker.
	She could be really tall.
	She could be taller than me.
	Not a deal breaker.
	Still would date her.
	Whereas I would say for guys, height's gonna be a deal breaker for 90%, 95% of women.
	Really?
	If a guy's shorter than you, like, that's 100% deal breaker.
	Whereas for men, I'd say most men, like the, you would say the equivalent of a guy being shorter than a woman would be a woman being taller than the man.
	I would say there's more men would be, there's more men who would be willing to date a woman taller than them than there are women who would be prepared to date a woman or there are more women prepared to date a man who's shorter than them.
	So strong preference for no plastic surgery.
	So no fake tits, no fake lips, no BBL, no lipo.
	And I really mean this.
	I mean, I'm going to say it.
	Okay, so maybe this is going to sound like I'm kind of simping, but this is going to sound cool.
	So I think women are beautiful as they are.
	He's getting vulnerable right now.
	No, it's not even vulnerable.
	I just think women are beautiful as they are without the need for undergoing dangerous, expensive, and frankly unnecessary cosmetic surgery, which I honestly think makes them look worse at the end of the day.
	So I would, for example, and I'm not, it's not like, okay, here's an example.
	I'd prefer a girl.
	Well, let's say she had small boobs.
	I'd rather her have small boobs or even flat than have her with fake tits.
	Okay.
	I'd rather have a girl with a little belly than lipo.
	I'd rather have like a small ass than a BBL.
	Yeah.
	Small upper lip over lip fillers.
	So you can take any woman with any of these procedures, let's say she's had them.
	However, they were before, I would prefer them as they were.
	So there's that.
	Minimal makeup or no makeup, a little mascara or highliner is fine.
	Here's a big one.
	Very important.
	Large labia.
	Huge.
	Very important.
	It's not a deal breaker.
	I don't really care.
	I just say that.
	I mean, I do.
	It's a preference.
	Yeah.
	What is the organization that you started to come from?
	Big Labia Matter.
	It's a grassroots movement.
	We are BLM.
	We are, you know, yep, that's the one big labia.
	We're under construction.
	We're still getting set up, but, you know, it's going to be big in a couple years.
	There are going to be people in the streets.
	In the main streets.
	Whole news.
	Look, women are allowed to have a penis size preference.
	I'm allowed to have a labia preference.
	I think it's fine.
	How do you like go about finding out like a date question?
	How's that?
	I try to.
	See, that's the difficult.
	Well, first off, it's not a deal breaker.
	Like, if a woman's gotten any, that's cool.
	That's fine.
	Any, Audi, it's all good.
	Right?
	I'm not tripping.
	Do I have a slight preference?
	I'm not going to lie.
	I kind of do.
	What?
	I'm allowed to have a labia preference.
	I'm allowed to have a labia preference, y'all.
	Y'all be talking.
	Huh?
	What?
	That thing.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	What's up?
	No, it's fine.
	No, I feel like it's similar to people who are like, oh, I prefer a circumcised or uncircumcised.
	No, I can see that.
	It's like all dicks are ugly, though.
	Whoa.
	What?
	Whoa, that is.
	Like, they're not, like, if you, okay.
	Wow.
	Listen to me.
	Listen to me.
	I'm not, like, they're cool or whatever.
	But, like, in general, like, no vagina or dick is like genuinely good looking, I guess.
	Disavow.
	Like, personally, like, when I look at a dick, I'm like, I'm not going to be like, oh, it's cute.
	Oh, my God.
	You've never seen just a beautiful cock.
	You've never seen an attractive looking penis?
	Like, no.
	What?
	They feel good, but they don't look nice.
	What about the statue of David?
	I'm thinking the same thing.
	You don't know the statue of David?
	He's got, I mean, it's like he's flaccid.
	He's got his little PPO.
	You've probably seen it.
	Okay.
	So, okay.
	But I'm just saying.
	No, no, no, Nick.
	Don't pull it up.
	I heard you typing, Nick.
	We're going to get in trouble for that one.
	Can you just blur it out?
	Why?
	It's just a statue.
	Yeah, it's awesome.
	I feel like YouTube is.
	Wait, blur it out.
	Do you want to see what it looks like?
	Don't, don't, don't do this.
	I mean, then again, no, they think they're in textbooks.
	But I'm just saying, like.
	What's that?
	Like, why would you, like, vagina is a vagina, you know?
	Look, it's not a.
	I'm down with innies.
	I'm down with Audis.
	I'm down with MIDIs.
	That's kind of like in the middle, right?
	It's in the middle.
	I don't know about that.
	It's like not a full-blown Audi, but it's, you know.
	Look, it's a sad state of affairs that women are shamed if they have a large labia.
	It's very sad.
	I don't think anybody, man or woman, should be shamed for their genitalia.
	Yeah.
	Like if a man's has a micropenis, uncut.
	Don't you have to do that?
	That was the statue of David, though.
	Kind of.
	He has a micropenis.
	Well, he's flaccid, guys.
	It was probably cold back in the day, and he's naked.
	You got global warming or whatever that shit is.
	But it's crazy, though, to see how, like, what's it called?
	Like, our beauty standards have changed over the years, right?
	Because we see statues that were created, I don't know, hundreds of years ago, and then versus like today's beauty standards.
	That's right.
	Actually, and if you look at statues of women from back in the day, son, they didn't have these big, like, giant fake titties on.
	They had a small cup.
	Yeah, no, no.
	That's true.
	And the statue of Venus or the painting is whatever, and she has like a cup or whatever.
	I read somewhere, like, fun fact, like, her breasts are the size of like a wine glass, so like not very big.
	But that was like small breasts were considered attractive back then.
	I'm gonna look, a cup all day over some giant fake titties.
	That's all I'm gonna say.
	Wait, finish your list, finish your list.
	Okay, so that's pretty much looks-wise, right?
	Personality.
	I'd say I like more introverted women.
	Quiet, calm, soft-spoken.
	Maybe a little bit shy, maybe a little bit nerdy.
	Brings me peace, doesn't quarrel, doesn't party, doesn't drink, doesn't do drugs, doesn't go to bars or clubs.
	Oh, you don't drink?
	I don't, I mean, very rarely.
	And if I don't.
	Celebratory champagne counts.
	So my other person has to drink rarely.
	Just not.
	So when I say doesn't drink, like if she has a glass of wine at dinner, that's fine.
	I'm talking like a girl.
	I'm a party class.
	Yeah, he means that thing.
	Oh, God.
	That's how you view girls taking us.
	That's what they be doing.
	That's what they be doing.
	The whole stretching out the lips around the shot glass.
	I mean, no.
	Yeah, you put it on.
	They do it all the time.
	And then you go like, they do it all the time.
	Low body count.
	What's low to you?
	Yeah, number-wise.
	Like under 10?
	Definitely under 10.
	Definitely under 10.
	Under 5?
	We'll go under 10.
	I mean, it's a spectrum, right?
	The lower the better.
	Is it a ratio?
	No, the ratio, that's BS.
	That's BS.
	But yeah, I mean.
	But would you say you have a high body count?
	First off, I'm a man of God, so I don't reveal my body count.
	You don't have to say a specific number, but I'm saying if you're being so like, oh, I don't want a girl who has a lot of benefits.
	I'm going to plead the fifth on answering that question.
	Exactly.
	Tell us about that.
	Oh, what do you mean?
	Because you like, you don't have to say a specific number, but have you had sex with quite a few people?
	Like more than 10?
	That's the yes.
	That's a yes.
	That's the yes.
	Okay, and then you're saying you want a girl with the lower body.
	Oh, okay.
	I see what you're saying.
	So you're saying like it's a double standard kind of?
	Yes, there is a double standard.
	If you're really into somebody and they have like a body count over 10 and they're your age, right?
	They're your age.
	Yeah.
	Would it be a deal breaker if you truly have a connection with them?
	Well, age is a factor too.
	So obviously a woman who's a bit older is going to likely have had more sexual partnerships.
	You're trying to date like a 22-year-old or something.
	Sure.
	I'll date somebody 22, 21, sure.
	What if you met your perfect woman and she was a virgin and she asked you your body count and that was the deal breaker for her?
	She wouldn't date you because you had too high of a body count.
	I mean, if that is a deal breaker for her, that's, I'm not.
	That's fine.
	You wouldn't regret it, though, if she met every single point on your list and was a virgin.
	You would regret what?
	Like sleeping around.
	I wouldn't say I really slept around a whole bunch, but body count over 10.
	Well, no, but I'm saying like, well, if, you know, if you value, if you value that, then you find a woman who's a virgin, but she also prefers to be with somebody who's a virgin.
	And she could be like the perfect woman for you.
	You're not going to be a single one of you.
	Yeah, you can reject anybody for any reason you want.
	Well, no, I know, but I don't have that.
	There's billions of people in this world, though.
	Both men and women are allowed to have preferences, standards, and boundaries.
	If there's a criteria with which a woman wants to reject me, that's fine.
	I'm saying that usually women who have low body counts or are virgins also prefer men with low body counts or virgins.
	Perhaps.
	Although I'm just saying you're making it harder for yourself.
	Like you're decreasing your chances.
	Well, I've neither confirmed or denied what my body count is, but for the sake of this show, I feel like I probably shouldn't.
	So this card is not.
	And I was like making the argument in general.
	Here's the thing.
	I think women care far less about body count than do men, generally.
	I mean, generally.
	But I was also like making the argument.
	Like, yeah, generally, because like that's what I'm saying.
	Like I was saying earlier, it also depends on what kind of circles you're a part of.
	And so if you want to find a woman who is a virgin or low body count or whatever, then typically like you find that in like a lot of Christian circles.
	But those women, those Christian women, also prefer guys who are virgins or low body counts.
	What about people who aren't Christian?
	Well, I'm saying that if you're looking for it, though.
	Yeah, like if you're looking for that, then that's where you would typically find that.
	I do want to challenge you there a little bit because there's this idea that like only conservative or religious or Christian women have some like exclusive claim to non-promiscuity and virginity.
	I don't think that's the case.
	I'm not saying that, just in general.
	Whether I agree or not with someone with their politics, like a liberal woman could be non-promiscuous.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, there are exceptions, but like that's rare.
	Or like an atheist, non-political woman could be non-promiscuous.
	Yeah.
	I don't think it's based on religion and stuff.
	Like everybody, it's just like statistically.
	I would say, yes, I would say that women who are religious probably lean more towards non-promiscuity than their more liberal atheist counterparts.
	Yeah, and I'm saying like you don't have like exclusive, what's the word, claim to non-promiscuity.
	What do you mean?
	He's saying that you don't have to be Christian to say that Butler donated $99.
	Here's why high body count make you filthy.
	Condoms do not protect against genital herpes.
	True 60 bodies equals exposure to 12 partners who are infected.
	100 bodies equals 2000.
	Based.
	Yo, thank you, Jay Butler.
	Appreciate it.
	Yeah, definitely condoms do not prevent the herp derp.
	They just prevent no children sometimes.
	And other STDs, but yeah.
	Yeah.
	What were we talking about?
	I don't remember.
	Low body count?
	You're a dream girl.
	Well, no, you were saying.
	I think you were saying something about, well, if you have been with all these people, then...
	I'm just asking why your preference is that, if you've been with, like...
	Who knows how many people you've been?
	I mean, I don't, but I'm saying.
	Okay, sure.
	So let's say I did have a high body count, right?
	So you're saying, well, Brian, you shouldn't have this preference for women who have a low body count.
	Is that kind of...
	No, no, no.
	I'm asking why is it your preference?
	Oh, why is it my preference?
	Like, why do you specifically want a woman like that?
	With low body count?
	Yeah.
	I'm going to defer to Q on this because Q.
	Oh, okay.
	Because all the research indicates that there are gender differences between our sexual behavior.
	That's why we're sexually dimorphic.
	First of all, you have paternity uncertainty, which is women who sleep around.
	There's less likelihood of them knowing who the father of their child is.
	And to a man, the ultimate disrespect is him raising a child.
	It's not his.
	He's investing in resources to help the next man's offspring.
	That's extremely detrimental to his genetic legacy.
	The second thing is women, like I said, experience a lot more sexual regret.
	Women come with a lot more emotional baggage.
	They sleep with guys, they rock their bodies.
	I don't know if you guys have seen Brittany Renner, but Brittany Renner just said she had 35 bodies.
	When she said she had 35 bodies, she said a lot of them, half of them, were one-night stands.
	And she said she wished they hadn't been that way.
	So that tells you right there that a lot of times when women sleep with a man, they want that man to like them.
	They want something out of that man.
	So if you don't get it, you become bitter.
	You may regret it.
	It may affect you emotionally.
	It may damage you emotionally.
	That's another thing.
	So you carry that into the next relationship that you're in.
	So now those guys are wondering why you are the way that you are when in reality it's just because you don't feel valued.
	You don't feel validated.
	You gave your body to a man who didn't appreciate you, who didn't give you what you want.
	You knew what you wanted out of it.
	You didn't get it.
	So you feel some type of way.
	I agree with you.
	The next thing is the orgasm gap.
	Men have an incentive to want to procreate because we orgasm 99% of the time when we have sex.
	The majority of women do not orgasm when they have sex.
	So what did you just do?
	You just wasted your time.
	Also, women describe sex is better when they like the guy.
	They're attracted to the guy.
	So if you sleep with a man that you don't know, you might feel some type of way yucky or I wish I hadn't done this.
	You experienced sexual disgust.
	So there's differences.
	All the research aligns with what y'all call the double standard, and that's why I say it's not a double standard.
	It's different standards because the standard sexual behaviors y'all exhibit are not the same standard of sexual behaviors that men exhibit.
	But then you could also argue that stats prove that pair bonding happened for both men and women.
	The higher the body count a man has, also, the less likely he is to pair bond.
	Butler donated $99.
	For the panel one by one, would you sleep with someone who had genital herpes?
	Once infected, you're 7x more likely to contract HIV, disclosing to future partners and will likely get rejected, taking antivirals for life and forced to use herpes dating sites.
	Jay Butler is our, he's an anti-herpes activist, and he's in here every week just going hard on the herpes train.
	So he does raise a very good point about, let me just see here, having herpes.
	It's a good point.
	So, okay, one by one, and we'll come back to the body count thing.
	Actually, you want, let's have, did you want to finish your point before we go on to the I was finished?
	She was saying about pair bonding.
	I was just going to say, oh, pair bonding.
	You were saying something about that?
	No, I was saying the argument is that, because he's saying that men and women have different reactions when it comes to sexual promiscuity in that sense.
	But stats actually show that pair bonding is something that negatively affects both men and women the higher your body count is.
	So it is harder for a man to actually find someone too long term.
	Parabonding affects us both.
	My understanding, though, is it's more prevalent.
	It's more prefixed.
	It affects women to a higher degree than men.
	Do you know?
	I agree, but I'm saying it happens for both.
	You're saying it only happened to women.
	No, no, I didn't.
	I never said that.
	I never said that at all.
	You just said that.
	How dare you say that?
	How dare you?
	You were going to say the why.
	Yeah, I was going to say, do you know what promotes pair bonding?
	Do you know the hormone that's involved in?
	Oxytocin.
	Exactly.
	And who typically releases more of that?
	Women.
	Women.
	Exactly.
	Is that simple?
	Oxytocin and Debian are both.
	I mean, people.
	It's oxytocin and vasopressin.
	But oxytocin, but vasopressin, it makes us territorial.
	You know, oxytocin is what bonds us.
	And you release that during childbirth, during breastfeeding, when you're hugged, when you're touched.
	Women release oxytocin a lot more than men do.
	There was a TED talk on this, and I can't remember the names of the different chemicals released in your body, but the study showed that, yes, women release this love hormone when they have sex, but men don't.
	So, men typically, when they have sex with a woman that they're not committed to, they might not be interested in her anymore.
	They might fall out of love, whatever.
	Yeah, but so for men, when men start producing the love hormone, it's once they are committed.
	It doesn't have to be, and in the TED talk, they said it doesn't have to be like you propose or you're married, whatever, but you have to have a certain like commitment to this woman.
	Like, you have to decide for yourself, and that's so it is different for men and women.
	Yeah, I think it's like the matter of who views sex as a commitment.
	I feel like women generally view sex as a commitment in just a broad, like in a big generalization, a lot of women think, like, if I have sex with a man, like subconsciously, you think he's gonna date you, he's gonna want to take you seriously.
	But for men, it's actually the exact opposite.
	Like, you could argue, like she said, men don't release vasopressin until they start like carrying out like tasks and duties for a woman.
	Like, once they start accomplishing things for her, then they'll release that love hormone.
	But if they're just having sex with a woman, it's never gonna come like that because they're just not wired that way.
	But that's why men have more casual sex, and women, I would argue, don't have as much casual sex because for women, it's not casual.
	Like, we attach way more feeling to it.
	So, like you run a risk of getting pregnant at the foundation.
	Well, that's part of it.
	But it's also like the quote: women give sex for love and men give love for sex.
	Yes.
	Word?
	Word?
	Where were we before we were talking about?
	We need to finish dating history.
	Oh, I pretty much.
	Yeah, I mean, this kind of said, like, peace and doesn't quarrel, but like, I think one of the most important things you need to do as a guy is protect your peace at all costs.
	So, a quarrelsome woman is enough to upend your life.
	And look, a man who's got serious issues will also severely fuck up a woman's life.
	But you add mental illness into the picture to ruin your life.
	So, one of my preferences, I don't know if I want to go here.
	No, you should say.
	No mentally ill women.
	Well, I'd say no major mental disorders, like bipolar, BPD, any cluster B personality disorders, APD, BPD, HPD, NPD, no self-harm, suicidal light issues.
	Wait, I have a question.
	What if somebody was like severely like depressed, like had like what's it called?
	Like major depression and went through that phase of having like suicidal thoughts, but then worked through it and is doing better, like had that history but has like taken action and responsibility.
	Would that be an exception, or would you still like no?
	Yeah, that would be my question.
	What if you knew they had like a solid support system?
	Like they see a therapist, they see a psychiatrist consistently red flag.
	Why is it a red flag?
	So you're calling me a red flag?
	But what if I'm not?
	It's probably a red flag to you.
	I'm here I am.
	Maybe because I'm bipolar.
	Okay?
	So well, there's degrees to there's degrees to that.
	Exactly.
	Bipolar can manifest itself in different ways.
	Look, it's possible that I could meet a woman who has one of these things and she's got it under control.
	Just I get what you're saying.
	Like what if it's like genetic?
	Like she can't be afraid of what it is.
	It is.
	What if you're genetic and you're short?
	Yeah, but see, that's what he's talking about.
	I mean, this is dating is not fair.
	Like, at the end of the day, dating is not fair.
	Attraction is not fair.
	It's just the way it is.
	We have certain proclivities and tendencies to want to date people who don't possess certain qualities.
	And when you talk about personality disorders, a lot of those are genetic.
	So we run a risk of our kids possibly being exposed to that or them having that themselves.
	Like our kids being like that, but it can obstruct the relationship, it can obstruct our ability to bond, it can obstruct the way we resolve conflict, the way we manage conflict, and that's why it's more of a headache dealing with a woman who has those kind of issues.
	I've dated women who've been in therapy, and I will say that therapy doesn't always work the way that it should.
	It doesn't work if you don't apply it, and they still fall into the same behavioral patterns, the same behavioral tendencies that create conflict in a relationship.
	And after a while, it's just cyclical, it recurs over and over, and then you're just like, I had enough, I can't do it, don't want to do it.
	Can I add to that?
	I mean, I can't speak for everyone, I can only speak for myself, but I deal.
	I mean, I don't deal with them as bad anymore, but I deal with like debilitating panic attacks.
	And I've been seeing a therapist, and I see a psychiatrist, like I'm not secretive about that.
	And I think when most people go to therapy, they think this therapist is like a doctor, they're gonna fix all my problems, and I'm gonna be good.
	And it's really like that therapist is just there to listen to you and support you, and you have to put in the work for yourself to get to that place where you can communicate with your partner.
	And when you do have, like, for me, if I had a panic attack, I could you know calm down from that and then like explain to them like what happened.
	And I just feel like, like, for me personally, going to therapy, like I've learned how to communicate with people so much better.
	That's cool.
	Yeah, that's what therapy is.
	Can confirm.
	And you have to put in the work.
	You can't just like, yeah, she said.
	Like, a lot of people just go on like medication and then they think about it.
	I mean, that's your preference, though.
	Some men can handle women with that.
	Men with a lot of patients.
	Do you not have patience?
	It depends.
	I'm patient.
	It depends.
	I'm pretty patient selective.
	I'm pretty patient.
	Yeah.
	I have selective.
	But it's in the same way that, see, I think maybe this is a shocker because most men are not really open with their preferences, standards, and boundaries.
	Women often never hear men actually articulate what they want.
	It's better if a man speaks about it, though.
	Right, but look, I mean, you said that, sorry, what was the word you used that you said handle?
	Not handle.
	We don't want, I don't want to have to handle it.
	I meant it in a way where it's like they're capable of sitting there and listening to you and like understanding it.
	But why, why if you're dealing with a man who has options and there's a woman.
	Oh, if he has options, I'm not going to talk to him.
	Like, as if I want to pursue something with him and he doesn't and he's still seeing those people, whatever, bye.
	But in the same way that women, just like her, she went on 14 dates with 14 different men in 14 days.
	She picked of those 14 men, keep in mind she had 14 other dates planned for the next two weeks.
	She picked the most optimum men of the 14.
	In that same way, men are also entitled.
	Well, maybe entitled is not the right word.
	Men are also able to pick the most optimum partner.
	Sure.
	So, my personal view is that and I don't see how this is like a crazy hot take.
	It's not.
	It's also one of those.
	Don't date people who have mental illness.
	I think it's actually commendable for Brian to admit that he can't handle that because there is no it's a question of handling.
	No, I'm just the same way that I don't want to handle a woman who's a murderer.
	No, I know that.
	I'm just what I was trying to say.
	You can't handle a woman who's a pyromania.
	Yes, you shouldn't have to handle it.
	It's not your responsibility to handle it.
	I was just trying to make a point of I know men that will get into relationships with women that have disorders like that and lie and act like they can.
	And then when the woman is disappointed after a couple weeks or months because they realize this man just left them in the side of the dirt when they had a manic episode, like wouldn't you rather have a man dismiss you right away for your mental illness rather than lead you on for months thinking that he can deal with that when he actually can't?
	Like, I feel like that's more respectful that he could admit that he doesn't want to be in a relationship with someone like that because it would just tell people right away that I'm bipolar, you know?
	Like, but I thought that wouldn't, but why wouldn't you?
	We're just having a conversation about it.
	No, yeah, I'm just saying, like, it's actually better of being a better person to state your preference straight out like that than lying to someone saying that, yeah, I'm fine with that.
	And then after a couple weeks, they realize what that actually entails, and then they're like, oh, fuck no.
	And then they've just hurt your feelings and treated you like that.
	Well, I could see that because if someone was like, oh, I don't want to see you anymore because you're a mental illness.
	I'd probably be like, I was a little fucked up.
	Okay, I don't want to have a relationship with you.
	I mean, we're probably just incompatible, like at the end of the day, then, yeah.
	Sure, you do you.
	Word.
	Look, again, could I meet a woman who does have one of these disorders and she's got it really fucking under control and she's got a strong constitution and a strong mind?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	However, it is kind of my general practice, unless proven otherwise in some way, to avoid people who have like cluster B personality disorders.
	It's just like, I dated a girl who had BPD, wasn't good, was not good.
	And luckily, it wasn't that severe, but even for like that caused so much issues in the relationship.
	And so I think one of the most important things you can protect from a man, I mean, look, women can do this shit too.
	I think women, and women are very selective already, don't get involved with men who have the capacity and capability to absolutely fucking destroy your life.
	And it happens to be the case that people who are mentally unstable, if you break up with somebody, the normal thing is, oh, hey, sorry didn't work out.
	I wish you the best.
	Take care.
	You break up with the wrong fucking person and they will stalk you.
	They will ruin your fucking life.
	They will stress you the fuck out.
	They will aid you.
	So both men and women, but I'm speaking from the male perspective.
	You should not get involved with women who have the capacity to absolutely fucking destroy and ruin your life.
	Same with women.
	You should not get involved with men who have the capacity to absolutely fuck up your life.
	So you got to be very selective here.
	Depends.
	So they have to be pretty mentally ill for you not to want to be with them though, because I feel like that's like.
	What do you mean?
	Like.
	This is like common sense to be near.
	No, no, yeah, no, and I'm agreeing with you, but I'm just saying, like, I thought you meant, like, if you have any mental illness, because you said psychiatry therapy, that's a red flag.
	So it sounded like you were like, any mental illness, period.
	But it sounds like even anxiety.
	What's that?
	Like, even anxiety.
	You would have to be aware of that.
	I mean, look, I have anxiety.
	I used to have panic attacks.
	And what I did was, occasionally I still have some anxiety.
	I saw like a person who specialized in it.
	I had like a month of sessions.
	And luckily, you know, I was able to overcome.
	Have you ever had like a stage in your life where you felt somewhat depressed?
	Have I ever been depressed?
	It doesn't have to be like extreme.
	It's just like you had a point in your life where you felt really depressed.
	People say there's like there's clinical depression, right?
	So I'm not sure.
	I don't think I've had that, but like, are there periods in my life where I have not been happy or been upset about things or depressed?
	I suppose you could say yes, but I didn't.
	Well, I think this is a big difference between men and women.
	And so I think talk therapy, well, it's not clear to me if that even helps women, but as a man, I don't want to talk about my problems.
	I want solutions to my problems.
	Talking about my problems does nothing.
	So I am kind of talk therapy to me is kind of.
	Bullshit.
	We have cognitive behavior therapy.
	What are your opinions on that?
	I think I haven't, I'm not super familiar with it, but I think that's like changing your behaviors to changing your thoughts.
	But that's like something that's actionable, but just going to a therapist to almost like talk therapy is bullshit.
	Yeah.
	To me, I don't think that would help me.
	I want either.
	Everybody's different, though.
	So my view on it is if I have an issue, I either need to have a solution, or if there is no solution, then I need to accept the situation.
	And talking about it, for me, is not really going to be alleviating in any sort of thing.
	You can always go out and do things too, like go on a run or go on a hike.
	Sure.
	It'll help, like, the anxiety and, like, being sad or going out with, like, friends, going to get dinner or something.
	But for other people, like.
	If it works for other people, that's fine.
	Yeah.
	Sometimes it's better because they're not in an environment where they're around people who they are able to speak to if they are down.
	And so sometimes it's like your therapist truly doesn't know maybe who you are, but it's sometimes nice to just let it all out.
	And someone's just listening.
	Sure.
	And you get that advice at the same time.
	Sure.
	And I think there perhaps might be some benefit if you are grieving.
	There are therapists that can, I think hospice will actually offer, if you had a loved one in hospice and they passed away, they'll offer therapy and there's people who are specialized in helping people deal with grief when a loved one dies.
	I think that's okay.
	But like, I don't know, me personally, I don't think going to somebody and talking to them about my problems, for me anyways, would be particularly helpful.
	If it helps other people, cool.
	But yeah.
	Okay, continue.
	That's pretty much it.
	Just look, ultimately, at the end of the day, you need to protect your peace.
	This is my advice to men, and I suppose to women too.
	Somebody who's quarrelsome, it's going to fuck up your life and add some of these other things into the picture can ruin your life.
	So I think people should be very, very careful with who they get involved with.
	I have a question.
	Yeah.
	Do you know the book called Why Men Love Bitches?
	Why Men Love L Bitch?
	Have you heard of that book?
	No, what's a very, it's a good book.
	Who wrote it?
	I don't know her name.
	Why Men Love Bitches?
	Yeah, is it like a psychology?
	Is it like a joke?
	Like, is it actually making the argument that men love bitchy women?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's bullshit.
	That's absolute bullshit.
	It's not like bitchy.
	It's like they don't want a woman that can be walked all over.
	Yeah, you have to read this.
	It's not understand.
	The name is like a catch.
	What's like the top three things that it's.
	I didn't finish the book, but it was my friends and she took it back.
	Well, what's you read it?
	Oh, no.
	I've just heard of it.
	I just know that the.
	No, I know.
	I've just heard of it.
	What's it called?
	I can explain why men love bitches.
	Love bitches.
	Why men love bitches.
	I can explain it.
	I've read half the book.
	And I just heard one woman say that it's pretty much...
	Why men are attracted to a strong woman who stands...
	Hold on, let me find the Amazon...
	Here, I'll read it for everybody here.
	Do you have it, Nick?
	October?
	It's okay.
	Released in October 1st of 2000.
	Oh, whoa.
	Whoa.
	October 1st.
	It's October 1st.
	2002.
	Let's see.
	Discover why men are attracted to strong, independent women with a straightforward accessible dating guide from New York Times.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	Okay.
	Do you feel like you are too nice?
	Why men are attracted to a strong woman who stands up for herself with saucy details on every page?
	This no-nonsense guide reveals why a strong woman is much more desirable than a yes woman who routinely sacrifices herself.
	The author provides compelling answers to the tough questions women often ask.
	Why are men so romantic in the beginning and why do they change?
	Why do men take nice girls for granted?
	Why does a man respect a woman when she stands up for herself?
	It's just about being an independent woman Oh is that what men want?
	That's, well, wouldn't you think all about if you're independent, you don't want to be in a relationship?
	Sorry, say that.
	If you want to be independent, you don't want to be in a relationship.
	I don't agree with that.
	I think you can be independent and still be in a relationship.
	But the literal meaning, so saying self-sufficient is one thing, but saying that you want to be independent means you do not want anyone.
	Yeah, because the opposite of that is independent.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I just, I disagree with that.
	The title immediately.
	I like to be independent in different ways, like with relationships, though.
	I think the book's mostly about not losing your entire life for a man.
	It's like not being completely obsessed to where you like.
	You lose yourself.
	Like, you lose your identity.
	Like, you lose your identity.
	You're not obsessed.
	But, like, would you want your girlfriend to not have any sort of identity or personality to where she's only revolving around you?
	She changes since you're adults.
	Now you just be dating, like, you just be dating like a puppet.
	Perfect.
	Great.
	All of a sudden.
	That is not.
	Sign me up.
	Sign me up.
	Where are all these people?
	Say that, but like after a while, you'd get pretty turned off if a girl was just completely 100% of the time only focusing on you.
	She'd like to get self-aware.
	She'd neglecting all of her educational needs, physical needs, going to the gym.
	She wouldn't be doing any of that.
	She'd be only focusing.
	Wouldn't that be unattractive?
	That's like such a I don't ever think it's ever happened like that There is There is women like that that will lose.
	I have known women in high school that will forget about everything going on in their life because one man looks in their direction and then they're obsessed with it much.
	Go sign me up.
	Where's she at?
	So you like needy girls.
	You like needy girls.
	You'd have to present to me the behaviors.
	I mean, the timeline is.
	Like constantly stuck to you.
	You didn't text me back fast enough.
	I don't like it.
	Like you said, it's okay when someone would ruin your life after you.
	But then she's quarreling.
	Yeah.
	See, I want a girl who is however I'm acting, she's cool with it.
	Like posts you on it.
	No, like for example, let me just clarify that point I just made.
	So for example, I'm a bit introverted.
	I'm the type of person that needs a bit of space.
	So I'm not, at least certainly early on in a relationship, I can't see you every day.
	Like one, I'm just very busy with my work.
	I've got a lot of stuff going on.
	I'm not going to be calling you every day.
	So I'm not going to be texting you every day.
	I'm super busy.
	I'm preoccupied.
	You can't even shoot one text, though?
	Wait, so let's see.
	That's pretty tough for me, not going to lie.
	It's pretty hard.
	So if you're dating a person, that's fair.
	You don't text them every day just like, how are you doing?
	How early on are we talking here?
	Early on?
	No, you're not getting a text every day from me.
	Even if you're in a relationship with them?
	How early on?
	Boyfriend and girlfriend.
	We've been talking for a month?
	No, I mean, after your official.
	No, you first go on a date with somebody.
	Yeah, you might not.
	If it went super well, would you text them the next day?
	Maybe like six months in, you might get a couple texts a week.
	What the fuck?
	What?
	Okay, then you're obviously not into the woman enough.
	Yeah, you're not into her if you're texting her, like, not texting me.
	I think part of it with.
	Okay, you gotta understand.
	Part of it with me is that I'm an OG.
	Okay, we forgot.
	We forgot.
	I didn't used to.
	Hold on.
	Let me show you my old phone.
	Okay, hold on.
	One sec, guys.
	You could write her a letter.
	Wait, I forgot to ask you.
	This used to be my phone, okay?
	You see this thing?
	Do you see this?
	Yeah.
	Looks like the, it's like from like Ghostbusters.
	And then, look, I had this one.
	Boom.
	Look at that shit.
	It has the, what was it?
	Can you still use it?
	Huh?
	No.
	I have a.
	I still have a home button, though, on my respect.
	Keep the home button.
	iPhone SE 2022.
	It's better.
	I like the home button.
	I remember when people didn't have access to you 24-7.
	And this kind of applies in the workplace too, where it's like, I don't know, some jobs, it's like you got a cell phone.
	Okay, you're getting texts all the time.
	You're responding to emails all the time.
	I remember when people didn't have constant access to you.
	So I'm an OG.
	So I just get really annoyed if the guy I just started dating was texting me every single day.
	That would literally turn me off so fast.
	I would still want somebody to be like, hi, how are you?
	How's your day?
	Also, I'm a little autistic.
	So like, here's my thing.
	What is the utility?
	I'm a little autistic, probably.
	So like, what is the utility?
	Probably.
	What is the utility of just like, oh, hey.
	You know, like, what is it?
	What purpose does it serve?
	I mean, like, if.
	Wow, I'm such a fucking asshole.
	Okay.
	They know that they're realizing it now.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Like, no, I understand what you mean.
	I actually switched to that every day.
	Yeah.
	I actually switched to a flip phone because I, exactly what you were saying, I just got like so fed up with it.
	I was like, don't text me.
	Like, if you need anything, like, call.
	And it's like, it's been a hard transition.
	But like, I get that desire for like, you don't always want to be on your phone all the time.
	However, if you're in a relationship, then, yeah, like she said, like, it would be a huge turn on.
	It's like, hello, like, we're dating.
	Like, you can't text me like at least once a day.
	Because I feel like there, it's like different.
	Like, you know, and girls, like, they like to know, like, if you're, especially like if you're dating, like, they like to know that you're thinking about them.
	Or even if they're interested, like, that, like, that's something that girls.
	I know what you mean.
	What I recommend to men is who might be like me, who are semi-autistic and assholes.
	Probably.
	What?
	I think I probably am.
	I think most people do.
	Yeah, maybe I'm not diagnosing right.
	Gentlemen, if you have an iPhone, I'm looking into this.
	Yeah, I'm looking into this.
	There's a thing in the accessibility section of your iPhone where you can automatically send out a text message every single day at a specific time.
	How did you get to that?
	You should schedule.
	It's a thing.
	So just if your chick wants good morning text, just schedule that shit.
	I honestly would not mind that.
	I was saying, I'm talking about that.
	Yes.
	Yeah, no, the guy that I was talking to last, I was like, can you just set a, like, can you text me goodnight?
	I was like, can you set a reminder on your phone?
	And he, like, he wouldn't do it.
	I'm like, I don't even care if you schedule a text.
	Like, I just need to.
	I need consistency.
	I don't even know that.
	Don't tell me, but I don't care.
	You're not used to it.
	I'm not used.
	I text who I'm with every single day.
	See, that's too much.
	But I'm 18 years old.
	Wait, she also snapped on the ceiling.
	I'm old.
	She called me old guys.
	Can we get some paper towels?
	It's okay.
	It's just some water, right?
	Yeah.
	It wasn't too big.
	It didn't fall.
	We had like three.
	No, it's not.
	Oh, no, Alexa jumped.
	Like, she was the wicked witch of the ease.
	But.
	What I was saying, though, is like, I'm 18 years old, about to be 19.
	So it's a lot different for me.
	Yeah.
	Because it's like, everybody's in college.
	You have free time.
	Damn, is that the good teacher?
	People obviously have a task.
	Oh, shit.
	We don't.
	We don't have.
	Oh, yeah.
	We don't have any paper towels.
	Here's mommy material for me.
	I am mom of all of my friends, so.
	Sorry, sorry.
	Continue with your point.
	Go ahead.
	No, no, no.
	What I'm saying is like, we're both 18 years old.
	We're young.
	We have time on our hands.
	Even though we're in college, we're not having like a serious job.
	We're still going to school, but it's like we don't have a serious job.
	So I'm able to text the person I'm with every day, and usually it's the same way around.
	Like, hey, what are you doing?
	Like, how's your day?
	Oh, do you want to like FaceTime if you have time later?
	You want to go on a phone call so I can hear your voice?
	It's like the little things.
	But I would argue one thing about that too is, and this is one thing that I think the younger generation doesn't do.
	It's like you don't give them a chance to miss you.
	I agree.
	I think if youndieback, all you do is think about him.
	So imagine if you actually did that a little bit too.
	By the way, I'm not doing this as like a game.
	I'm just genuinely so busy.
	Oh, same.
	I don't know.
	I'm not a good texter, admittedly, but in person, you'll have my undivided attention.
	However, like, because to me, it's like, okay, I pick up my phone, then how's your day?
	It's very token to me.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I have to consciously make the decision, like, okay, like next five hours, like, I'm not texting him.
	Or else I will text him because I want to.
	But like, now I have to, like, play a game.
	It's not playing a game.
	It's going and focusing on you and doing your thing.
	And then when you get to talk to him, it's like, it's that whole thing of also saying, like, again, even if you're not texting them, you're still thinking about him this whole five hours.
	So it's one of those things.
	It's like, have your own life, do your own thing, text your girlfriends.
	That's what the book says.
	Okay.
	There you go.
	Yeah, the book.
	Oh, yeah.
	We were talking about the book, Why Men Love Beeches.
	I don't think that's true.
	I don't think men love bitches.
	Love women strong.
	I don't think we're strong.
	Yeah, the title is not.
	Love is true.
	Men don't like bitchy women.
	That's not representative of the book.
	It should be.
	But no, it's like.
	Mathematics.
	We talk about biology.
	It's just like, I don't know.
	Okay.
	It's not.
	I think they're trying to make the word positive or something.
	Bitches.
	Yeah, that's what I mean.
	Well, that's what it seems like.
	Because I don't think that's a woman is a bitch if she's strong.
	So I think it's a stupid title.
	In my opinion, the title's probably, it's not clickbait, but it's like a 10-round.
	Attention getting.
	Oh, what?
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Like the subtle art of not giving a fuck.
	I actually haven't.
	I've been recommended for that book.
	It's on my list, but just like the title is just really out there.
	Good times.
	We're almost three hours in and we still haven't gone all the way around.
	Relationship status.
	You forget to ask the question about herpes.
	Oh, no.
	Oh.
	My apologies, Senior Jay Butler.
	That's so important.
	What was the question?
	Would you, okay, really quick, we'll go around the table on that.
	Would you sleep with someone who had genital herpes?
	No.
	Or date, be in a relationship with them?
	No?
	Why the f no.
	Some women might have.
	That's so unfair.
	Unless I like seriously love them.
	Unless I love them, but we would have to do that.
	But that doesn't work sometimes either.
	If we have a strong connection, we're in a serious relationship, and they're like, hey, this is something that I deal with, I would probably be like, I don't know if I was really into them.
	We have a strong connection.
	They're not seeing anybody else.
	I'd be like, let's figure out a way, like, I don't know, to do it where it's safe.
	And also, if we're not sleeping with other people, it's not like we're spreading it around either.
	Sure.
	But what if you break up?
	What if I catch it and wake up in the middle?
	What's your name again?
	What are you doing under the table there?
	Are you texting?
	No, I just, he texted back.
	Oh, who's he?
	Who's he?
	The three-week cup.
	Wait, did we ask you to text?
	I think, did we ask you to text somebody again?
	Yeah, yeah.
	What was that?
	I just said hi.
	He was like, he said I watched.
	Oh, you're watching me.
	And I was like, wait, really?
	And he's like, no, yeah, I heard the entire story.
	And is he still down for you?
	I told him if he wanted me to call him after, so we'll see what he says.
	Wait, he wants you to call him out?
	No, I asked him if he did because he was like kind of concerned.
	He's like, don't say my name.
	And I was like, no, I won't.
	I'm not that fucked up.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	But, yeah.
	times so you'd be cool with the I guess There's a lot of people out there that don't have herpes.
	That's also an option.
	Yeah, I mean, it's just tough for me because I'm not having sex with the person until we're in a committed relationship.
	So it's not like I'm going to know that, like, right off the bat.
	What about you?
	I'm saying I'd have to be in a committed relationship long term and then we talk about it.
	But it wouldn't be a deal breaker for you.
	Not if it's a potential long-term.
	Lifelong partner.
	No.
	Okay.
	Emily, what about you?
	Probably a deal breaker.
	Okay.
	Sophia?
	The only person I would sleep with going forward is my future husband.
	And if he has a past but has, you know, changed, and that's the situation, then we can figure it out together.
	Okay.
	It's a deal breaker for me.
	Yeah, I would say that it's also a deal breaker.
	Was this just to the girls, I think?
	Oh, Q?
	No, it was the guys too.
	It's probably a deal breaker.
	100% a deal breaker for me.
	100% brilliant.
	It's just.
	Look, I mean, for you, if it's not, okay, I just think there's a lot of fish in the sea.
	And if you don't have it, I guess, I mean, if you already had it, then, well, like, okay, whatever.
	But if you didn't have it, why?
	Well, I just think that, like I said, it's not something I'm going to know, like, right off the bat.
	And we're not going to go on a date.
	I'm going to be like, do you have herpes?
	I would hope they would disclose to you at early, I mean, I know you're not, I know that you're not trying to jump in the sack immediately because you're like waiting.
	Yeah.
	You're a virgin.
	You're waiting for your long-term partner.
	I get that.
	but your long-term partner need not be someone who has herpes.
	Because I don't think that's just going to, like, come up in regular conversation.
	So if, like, we're...
	That should be on them to disclose that, I think.
	Yeah, but why would they bring it up if they want sex?
	Wait, why would they bring it up if they're trying to sell it?
	Why would they disclose it?
	Yeah, why would they disclose it with you if they weren't?
	Because that's the moral and ethical thing.
	Yeah, but not everyone would do the moral ethical thing.
	There might be some criminal liability to not disclosing.
	I'm sure there is.
	Like if you know that you have whatever it is and you have sex with somebody without disclosing, I mean, then that consent, there's no, it's not consent or I don't know, whatever.
	If they tell you or if...
	they tell me early on then it is a deal breaker but if it's like if yeah I'm not going to throw away a whole developed relationship you know Sorry, hold on, just.
	Curtis Sundays Corleon donated $100.
	Women want to text a day because they are paranoid that you're cheating.
	If I miss texting my chick, she accused me of cheating.
	I mean, I was cheating on her.
	I wanted to see how much I could get away with.
	So their text request is reasonable.
	Curtis Leon, hey, thank you very much, man, for your TTS there.
	Really appreciate it.
	This reminds me of that Mitch Hedberg joke.
	It goes something along the lines of, I used to do drugs.
	I still do, but I used to, too.
	Okay.
	Um.
	Thank you, Curtis.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay, so we went over your relationship situation.
	You can do an impression, a Mort impression.
	Can we hear that really quick?
	Okay, let me think of what to say really quick.
	Like from Madagascar?
	From Madagascar.
	He's so cute.
	Mort.
	Do it.
	He's a little lemur.
	Do it.
	Okay, stop.
	Stop staring.
	Just care.
	Do it!
	Yes, you can!
	Just do it!
	Emily, okay, go ahead.
	King Julian, can you please bring your kitties upstairs?
	No, no kitties.
	Come upstairs.
	She has allergies.
	Please, King Julian, I want to pet him so bad.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Do it.
	Oh, shit.
	Let me get rid of Shia.
	That was good.
	Shy, but that's all I'm doing.
	I'm going to pretend like you need to just make my dick go soft.
	You asked for it.
	What the fuck?
	Wait, question.
	If a guy, if a guy asked you to do that in bed, would you do it?
	Never in bed, no.
	But I've had multiple guys.
	I've had like one guy was dating, thought it was hilarious.
	So, Emily, let's say you and me were dating, and I was like, Emily, can you do the Mort voice while I'm being intimate?
	No, that's so fetish.
	What if it, no, no, no, but like, what if you really cared about me?
	What if you?
	I believe in kink shaming.
	Huh?
	I believe in kink shaming.
	You believe in kink shaming?
	Yeah.
	But you, listen, I'm, I'm kind of the person, like, it depends.
	I'm kind of the person, like, you know, you got if your lady friend, if she has something kind of interesting, or if your guy has something kind of interesting, maybe indulge them in it.
	You know what I mean?
	And if it happens to be the case that I'm into you saying some weird shit like an Amort accent, just fucking go for it.
	Mort's not sexy, though.
	I feel like a sexy person.
	I mean, it'd probably dress her up.
	Let's hear a sexy thing.
	Can you do a sexy thing?
	I can't do a sexy thing.
	I'm not a sexy mother.
	I'm a conversation.
	Oh, yeah.
	You just came in in a really interesting time.
	Okay.
	What about you, Sophia?
	Okay, so currently single.
	Longest relationship, like official relationship was three months.
	Yeah, that was really like my only like real relationship that I consider because I had another one, but it was like a week of being official and from like first day to break up like three weeks.
	So it was really like nothing.
	So in the pre-show information you provided, you're a Christian, correct?
	Yes.
	And you're also waiting for marriage, is that correct?
	Yes.
	And you're a virgin?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, like what is it called?
	Re-born virus.
	Born again.
	Whatever.
	Yes.
	So you're going to be able to do that.
	You're a missing thing.
	Can you be a born-again virgin?
	Well, okay, so I messed up and now I regret it.
	And so I'm not going to mess up again because I have done that mistake once already.
	Sex a mistake?
	For me, it was.
	I regret it.
	So, and I think so.
	I'm a Christian, so I base my worldview.
	I have a biblical worldview.
	So I believe that sex was intended for one man and one woman, husband and a wife.
	But I also wanted to wait until marriage before I slept with my ex.
	And so I do regret it, but because I made that mistake once already, now I'm even more determined to not make that same mistake again.
	Because, and this is like an advice that I would give to younger women or women my age, whatever, who haven't who are who are virgins and haven't had sex yet, and maybe on the fence about it or struggling, whatever.
	I would say that for me, waiting until marriage, it would have been really difficult, but it would have been so worth it.
	And so you just had that one guy?
	Yes.
	Okay, gotcha.
	So let's see.
	Like, I've like had like stuff in high school, but not all the way?
	Yeah, no.
	Okay.
	You said your current relationship situation is complicated, lol That's sadly kind of over.
	This is like very like fresh, so it's it's like kind of sad.
	But so, okay, so I was talking to someone that I have known for five years.
	It's complicated because of like the little details.
	Like when I first met him, he was married.
	And then his wife just decided that she just wanted a divorce.
	Like she, they were both like Christian when they got married, but she left the faith, left the church, left him, said, it's been fun, but I'm ready to move on with my life.
	And then I found out about their divorce like January 2022.
	So then when I, like, we were already friends, but then we started talking more.
	And I have liked him, like, before I even knew what he looked like, I overheard a conversation that he was having at our university.
	Went to the same school.
	And I didn't like look around to see who it was.
	And I regret it.
	I'm like, who was that guy?
	I'm never going to, I thought I was never going to see him again because I thought, oh, our university is so big.
	But I ended up I didn't meet him.
	And we did become friends.
	And then I found out he was married.
	Not like he wasn't wearing the ring.
	I just didn't put two and two together.
	But then immediately shut down all my feelings for him.
	And then we were just friends for a while.
	And then there was at one point, it was like fall 2020 where we were talking on the phone.
	I was going through a rough time.
	And also I was like still hung up over my ex.
	Yeah.
	Wait, can I just jump in here really quick?
	So can I just read this to you, what you wrote to us, and then maybe that'll help guide the conversation a little bit.
	So you said, I know I want to marry my best friend.
	Hold on.
	Okay, well, there's a good time to interrupt you identify.
	$299.
	There are multiple court settlements for purposeful transmissions of herpes filth of $1 million or more.
	For the panel one by one, would you date a person with herpes?
	Please.
	And don't say no to this answer, then turn around and say your body count doesn't matter.
	Wait, Jay Butler, you asked this in your previous, and we just, I don't know if you're just tuning back in, but we just went around the table on this?
	Would you date a person with, wait, hold on.
	did he ask would you sleep with the person and then he said date just what Well, the previous one, he says, would you sleep with someone who had genital herpes?
	And then the next, this one is, would you date?
	I think he added the last part where he says, don't say you wouldn't date them and then say body count doesn't matter.
	I think he's a very good person.
	That's a good argument.
	He included that, yeah.
	Because people who are like, oh, body count doesn't matter, would you be so quick to defend?
	And then they'd be like, I wouldn't date someone with herpes, but it's like they got herpes because of their body count, most likely.
	Well, you know what their rebuttal would be, though?
	Well, you can get herpes the first time you ever have sex.
	True, but what was the body count of the other person that they had sex with?
	Because usually it's because they've had like 20 partners, and then when you have sex with them, you've had sex with their 20 partners, and then you get the herpes.
	And I'm not saying that that's like what I, that was just, I'm, what's it called?
	That's the argument that they would make, but I think it's a poor argument because like typically the first time you have sex, like more likely, you're not likely to get herpes under those circumstances.
	Your risk of getting herpes increases the more sexual partners you've had.
	So good times.
	So, Butler, you want us to go around again, but this time date a person.
	Okay, really quick.
	Instead of would you sleep with a person who has herpes, would you date a person who has herpes?
	Just yes or no?
	I don't know.
	It's kind of the same thing.
	Yeah, it's the same thing.
	I mean, if you wouldn't sleep with them, why date them?
	No.
	Also, I'm not going to sleep with her.
	Is it the same answer?
	The answer you gave before, is it the same answer for you?
	No, for me, it would be different.
	Well, because for me, it was like the first scenario would I sleep with them?
	Well, the first, I mean, like the first standard desire of a relationship.
	Raven DT donated $100.
	Remember, when you have sex, you are also having sex with all of their past partners.
	Not literally.
	I'm just saying if they cared, I'd say to you.
	Talk to me guys.
	Raven DT, there is something to be said there, though, when it comes to potential STD risk, when it comes to, I don't know, like, what is this, soul tie stuff?
	It's your exposure to all of the STDs.
	Like, don't you guys remember in health class when they showed you, just because you are losing your virginity and having sex with one person, they have had sex with two people.
	That person they had sex with had sex with 100.
	So then you're actually having sex with 105 people.
	Got it.
	Well, let's come back to you, Sophia.
	So I was.
	Okay, I'm not going to make this like too long, but yes.
	Oh, well, I was just going to read it to you.
	So you said you want to marry your best friend?
	I did want to marry him.
	Yeah.
	And he was my best friend.
	Not anymore, though?
	No.
	Okay.
	So, so anyway, so when we were getting like kind of close, like on the phone, then I like backed away because he was still married.
	But then I found out that he was divorced, and then we started talking more frequently.
	So like I said, I had liked him from the beginning.
	Shut my, like completely shut those feelings down.
	But then I started to like him again.
	Didn't think that he liked me that way.
	But then I found out he does.
	But then he wasn't ready for a relationship.
	So we were kind of like for almost two years now, we had been in this, like emotionally, it's like we're dating, but we're not officially dating, but we're definitely more than friends.
	For certain periods of time, like we'd be talking on the phone, like for hours and several times a week.
	And then for several months, he'd just kind of disappear.
	And as of recently, so I had just moved to California last month, like maybe like six weeks ago, a little over six weeks ago.
	And the last time I saw him, the last time I spoke to him really, was right before I left.
	I went to visit him.
	That was my first stop on my way.
	I drove.
	And he hasn't called or texted me once to check up on me, see how I was doing.
	And that really hurt.
	And there's just nothing left there anymore.
	Like it's nothing that I can do because I'm the one reaching out to him.
	And he doesn't respond.
	He doesn't call.
	He doesn't take my calls or text back or give me a call back or anything.
	And I let him know how hurtful that was.
	Like, hey, like, I'm essentially all on my own here.
	Like, I didn't really know anyone when I moved here.
	Did you move for him?
	You moved here for him?
	No, no, he's back in Virginia.
	Oh.
	So I moved away, but also for my job.
	It's hurtful.
	I moved for my job, but it's like a temporary contract.
	So I only hear until this school year.
	And then I plan to move back to Virginia.
	And also, it's not like we're in a relationship because he said, I very much wanted a relationship.
	Like, I wanted to marry him, but he said he wasn't ready for a relationship.
	And he kept saying that, like, I shouldn't base my life decisions based off of, like, I said, well, I'm going to wait until you know whether you're ready or not.
	Like, that's how much I like this guy.
	And he said, well, no, don't base your decisions off of that.
	Like, he was like trying to encourage me to date other people at the same time.
	Like he also has feelings for, well, he says he's like so like emotionless and doesn't have feelings, whatever.
	But then he did want to like be with me at one point.
	Like he agreed, he agreed to go on a date.
	But then like I know how it sounds, but he agreed to go on a date.
	And then it evolved from, he was saying like last summer, he said he doesn't think that he's capable of a healthy relationship.
	But I think a lot of that has to do with like the hurt from the divorce.
	And then it went from that to, okay, now I just need, because he is a Christian, I just need to figure out if it's, if it would be morally right for me to remarry because he's already been married and he's divorced.
	And also he's like Christian leaning Catholic and so am I into the Catholic Church.
	Yeah, they're very strict on divorce.
	Well, he's divorced.
	Well, aren't they more strict on the divorce than that?
	Well, yes, but so in America, like if one person wants to get divorced, there's really nothing you can do.
	It's just a matter of time.
	And so that's the position that he was in.
	Like he tried to work it out and there was just nothing that he, like, he couldn't convince her otherwise.
	So now the question is, like, like biblically, like morally, would it be right for him to remarry or would that be a sin if he remarried?
	And the only way he could do that is if he got his first marriage annulled.
	Okay, so there's a lot there.
	There's a lot there.
	For sure.
	So, question.
	When you met him and you were talking with him, he was married at that point because you said you guys were talking for two years.
	Well, we were friends, but we were mostly just friends through mutual friends.
	So every time I see him, it would be like in a group setting.
	Well, but was he still married when it seemed like your interaction started veering into a romantic realm instead of a friendship realm?
	A little, me on my part.
	I felt an emotional feelings.
	But I cut it off.
	Wait, wait, I did, but that's when I took a step back and I stopped talking to him on the phone.
	Well, I mean, but that's when I stepped back.
	You're lusting after a married man.
	I know, that's why I took a step back.
	Because I realized that wasn't.
	And you're still pursuing him romantically.
	No, no, no, but okay, so that was that was fall 2020.
	We were talking on the phone and I realized that, oh, I'm starting to catch feelings for him.
	And then I took a step back and I did not call him on the phone.
	He actually, like, I was going through a really rough time with like my depression and everything.
	And he asked if I wanted to get lunch and I said no.
	And I did.
	I wanted to get lunch with him, but I knew that that's not a good idea.
	And then when I saw him, like, okay, so then, so, okay, so timeline.
	Okay, so that was fall 2020.
	That was fall 2020, right?
	Okay.
	Then I got over those feelings because I didn't.
	Because I took a step back.
	I didn't talk to him for a long time.
	Step back.
	She did take a step back.
	And then when I found out that he was taken.
	When I found out that he was divorced.
	Divorce happened.
	That's when, and I asked him about it, like, what happened?
	And it was you, wasn't it?
	You a poison apple.
	Okay, that's not what I'm doing.
	That led to his imminent divorce.
	You, right?
	I saw his wife, now ex-wife, at a coffee shop.
	At one time, I had never met her, but I recognized her from pictures.
	I did not.
	I didn't even go up to her because I didn't want to cause problems for them, even though there was nothing between us.
	Wow.
	I thought about it.
	No, I want to go up to her and be like, hey, I'm friends with your husband.
	And I was like, no, that's a bad idea.
	I'm not going to do that.
	I'm the one who's only hung out in group settings.
	Hi, I'm the woman who steal your husband from.
	She's living in LA now, and she's definitely not living as a Christian.
	Like, she just, she was just like, I'm done.
	Like, it's been nice, but I want to divorce now.
	I want to move on with my life.
	Okay.
	Okay, whatever.
	How old is this guy?
	Well, okay.
	He's, so I'm 24.
	He's 26.
	He was a little bit.
	Yeah.
	It's not a big age.
	How much did he tell you about his problems with his marriage?
	What do you mean?
	Like, I know.
	he tell you about the arguments and fights they got into and private things about their marriage when I asked but I don't really you asked um like Like, well, I asked like general, because like, okay, I want to know, you know, like what happened.
	Send the nuke.
	Well, I think it's important.
	But don't you guys think like it's important to know like if like a man got a divorce, like what happened?
	Like, you know, what led up to that?
	After the divorce.
	After the divorce.
	We had a male phone.
	No, no, no, no.
	During the marriage, no, no, no.
	During the marriage, I didn't know.
	Actually, whenever I would ask him sometimes, like, like, how's like, because we'd be like talking just as friends, and I'd be like, how's your wife?
	And I never met her.
	I wanted to meet her, but, but, but, but then, but then, listen, listen, no, I'm also, like, a very outgoing person.
	Very Christian.
	Hold on, hold on, no, no, no.
	I'm a very outgoing person.
	Like, you guys are like speaking this completely the wrong way.
	I'm just a very outgoing person.
	So, like, we'd meet in like group settings and I'd be like, hey, how are you doing?
	How's your wife?
	You know, whatever.
	Just being friendly.
	Wait.
	But then.
	Is this true?
	But no, it's just like a simple like, hey, how are you?
	You know?
	And also, I was just like, well, I was like, when can I meet your wife?
	Because it was, well, because it was weird to me that I'm friends with him and I've never, because I have married friends and I'm friends with both of them and that's fine.
	But you had romantic feelings for at first.
	And then that was over.
	I even remember like sometimes we'd like hang out and I remember thinking like, thank God he's not my husband.
	So like, no, those romantic feelings were like buried.
	But clearly they were never buried if you considered marrying him after buried.
	So then they were never buried.
	Okay, but I didn't have anything to do with it.
	When he like brought up like any like frustration or anything that he had in his marriage, I immediately did ask me more questions.
	Get some help.
	I did the right thing.
	Question, question, question question.
	So you guys are taking this the wrong way.
	Like you, you were kind of semi-quasi involved with this guy for what, two years?
	No, like no, the only time we would hang out was would be in group settings.
	And then when I was going through a really hard time, then we'd like talk on the phone like one-on-one.
	And then that led to me having feelings.
	And then immediately I took a step back.
	No, but okay, he got divorced, right?
	But then there was a, after the divorce, you were pursuing him, correct?
	Only after the divorce.
	But he...
	And I even...
	Divorced the divorce.
	Did he reciprocate the romantic feelings?
	Yes.
	After the divorce.
	But you're saying that you go, you'll text him and call him and he just doesn't respond?
	Yes.
	Right.
	As of but like you'll send one text and he doesn't respond or you'll send like seven, he doesn't respond.
	You'll call him, he doesn't respond.
	What's the degree to which scammer?
	No, because some women will be like, he never texted me.
	And the woman didn't even, she never even sent a text either.
	Oh, no, I text him.
	Like, or you know, how don't anyone know?
	What color is the text?
	Green, blue usually?
	Is it no, it's blue.
	How many blue?
	Quite a lot.
	It didn't start off that way.
	How many blue without a response?
	Well, because he, like, I would text him, like, every day, and then he wouldn't, he responded, like, three times.
	And that was just like.
	Do you have your phone on you?
	No, I don't.
	Okay.
	And I deleted the messages.
	Okay.
	Get rid of the events.
	Because I was like, I'm going to go to the next one.
	Get rid of the evidence.
	So how many.
	It was never an issue in the past.
	Blue texts.
	10.
	A lot.
	Unresponded, 20.
	How many?
	Yeah, like a lot.
	How many?
	Give me a number.
	I don't know the number.
	Is it 30?
	30 plus.
	You have to scroll a lot, yes.
	Yes.
	But it wouldn't be like one.
	It wouldn't be like all at once.
	Sophia, Sophia, you got to have dignity.
	Like three.
	Like, if it's three.
	No, but it wouldn't be all at once.
	It would just be like every day or, you know.
	And also because for the past six weeks, yo, this is some intervention shit.
	Sophia.
	That's why I cut things off.
	Even like if two, I don't know.
	No, that wasn't.
	The biggest red flag is that he was married and then just like.
	Wait, how many phone calls?
	No, not right.
	I mean, not right away.
	A lot.
	Because I'm in trouble sometimes and I need help.
	Yeah, like I'm here.
	Send me money and then I'll repay him.
	I literally have run out of money multiple times and I had to ask my friends to loan me money and then I always pay them back.
	I literally, like, I don't have money for gas and food because my job doesn't pay me enough.
	It's tough out here in California.
	Ain't that the truth?
	Thank you.
	So my question is when you were going through these tough times, you had no other friends that you could have reached out to?
	Like some girlfriends or something that you don't know?
	No, I did, but I did, but I feel bad because I know that like I have a lot of friends who also don't make a lot of money and I feel bad asking from them and he works as an engineer and also we are really close.
	So we are, like, our relationship, like, our friendship is where I can ask him for.
	I mean, we were really close.
	And so, like, he's somebody that I can tell all my problems to.
	All the problems.
	And, like, he knows about, like, everything going on in my life.
	And so if I'm in trouble and, like, need, like, help to pay for gas or food, whatever, then I can ask him for money.
	And I do always, like, pay it back.
	And I know that it's not.
	going to be hurting him financially because he's an engineer and he makes a lot of money and he had a lot saved up and versus like I have a friend who he always sends me money when I want to have a question.
	He's ARMY National Guard on the border.
	He doesn't make a lot of money.
	So I feel bad asking from like my friends who I know, do you only have guy friends centers?
	No, I have a diagnosis here.
	I have a diagnosis I can.
	I can kind of think why he stopped responding to you.
	You kept hitting him up for money.
	No I, not just I'm cutting it.
	Somebody's asking me no, and I repaid him for everything you did.
	Repay him yeah, even though I'm struggling financially.
	I sent him $950 because I repaid him for like the last one he sent me and then also like he paid for my um to get my open water scuba certification, because this was like last summer.
	Why'd you need that shit, son?
	Because he was struggling for where you're struggling for.
	That was last summer.
	That's why that was before I moved to California.
	Keep on huge priority.
	I'm, I'm in, I'm in.
	That was last summer.
	That was last summer and I also couldn't afford it.
	That's why, the first thing, homeless people go for what.
	I just want someone's homeless.
	I need to get my fucking scuba.
	That was last summer.
	Let me get some oxygen before I move here.
	I need some oxygen stocked up on my oxygen tanks.
	Okay, that's not what happened.
	I'm living in the cardboard box.
	Let me get the fucking oxygen tank son, or my box.
	I live in my car.
	No, just kidding, but no, that was last summer.
	And and he, he was getting his open water scuba and I said I wanted to get mine, but I didn't have the money and so he paid for me.
	I said I will repay you and it's been like a year.
	So I'm like I've said I would repay him, so it's time.
	So, even though I'm struggling I, and also because of like the situation, like he's not texting me whatever, so I was just like, okay, you know what, I just want to pay everything back and then like, so you guys done, are you guys done seeing each other?
	I mean I think so, I mean there's nothing.
	Well yeah, he's not responding to you.
	Any friendship nothing yeah okay, it's over.
	Can I add something like if you're spamming some someone and they're not responding, like I don't, like I don't know I'm.
	What I'm trying to say is like if you Want him, you have to like cut things off or just like ghost him, because then he'll come back to you.
	Like, I don't think that's a healthy relationship.
	Yeah, when did that divorce?
	When did he get divorced?
	Uh, they separated uh spring 2021, um, and then I don't know when the divorce became official.
	So, you don't even know if they're technically divorced.
	No, no, no, they are because when in January 2020, yes, uh, spring 2021, I know that they separated.
	I didn't ask him when the when the divorce became official, but in January 2022.
	So, so, like, almost a year later, I asked him, and he said, yes, they were by then divorced.
	So, I think what the fuck you said earlier that you were saying the reason he didn't want to pursue a relationship with you is because he struggled with the idea of because he's Catholic, so he had a divorce, and that that wasn't, he didn't feel comfortable marrying again.
	But, like, my question is, how, how did you jump from not even in a relationship with him to asking him to marry you after he just got divorced?
	Like, not right after he got out of divorce.
	No, no, it started with actually when I did not think that he liked me that way, but when I found out that he got a divorce, I was a lot closer with my other friends from that group, guy friends, because they were single.
	So, I'm just going to ignore what you're doing.
	So, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
	That's Nick.
	Nick controls that.
	Yeah, sure.
	Okay.
	But anyway, so my initial thought, like, after I found out that he got divorced, wasn't like, oh, it wasn't, it wasn't, here's my chance or whatever.
	It was more just like, well, I can, now I can talk to him freely.
	And because he was one of my closest friends, but I wasn't as close with him as I was with my other friends because my other friends were single.
	And so it was like a lot easier.
	And so I'm like, well, now we can like start talking more and whatever.
	And that's how it started out.
	Like, okay, separate.
	I don't know when the divorce became official, but separated spring, like April, like 2021.
	And then we started talking like February 2021.
	If I was the ex-wife, I would be a little suspicious.
	I would too.
	I'm not going to lie.
	The ex-wife, like, she decided to leave him.
	Why would she care?
	Sweet so much hard.
	I think she would be more suspicious that you know exactly why they divorced.
	We're still not done.
	I don't understand.
	You don't understand the problem with another woman being that involved in someone else's relationship.
	Like, you know every detail.
	You're talking like after the divorce, why would she care after the divorce?
	I mean, she's married to that person at the same time.
	But she doesn't care.
	Like, she just left him.
	She wrecked her home, then got out of the widowed.
	That's not what happened.
	You were kind of talking to a married man.
	Just saying, all right, what okay.
	What do you mean?
	It literally was what happened.
	You were talking and had feelings for a man who was married.
	You guys don't like the words came out of your mouth.
	You said, now you said, well, okay, boundaries, I took a step back.
	Yeah, we had boundaries.
	You had feelings for a guy who was married, and you had a.
	No, I'm really proud of, like, I set like really good boundaries because I knew that at one point, I didn't, before I knew he was married, I had feelings for him.
	So I'm not going to do anything where I started having feelings for him.
	And as soon as I started having feelings, I took a step back.
	So the whole time, I didn't even hug him until like after they got divorced.
	That's considerate of you.
	That's like, I mean, we would be hanging out with, because I hug my friends, you know, like hello, goodbye, whatever.
	The friends.
	I give my friends hugs, and we would be hanging out in a group.
	I don't know what you guys are laughing about, but we'd be hanging out in a group.
	And we go fishing.
	Was it the vicarious hug?
	Like you were hugging your friends, but you were really wishing one second too late.
	No, it's like when we say goodbye, it's like, hey, it's been nice hanging out, whatever.
	Goodbye, hug.
	Like, I don't know why that's weird.
	And then I would just like skip him.
	You'd skip the like out of, yeah, because he's married.
	I'm not going to be hugging a married man, but I hugged my other friends because they were single.
	Are they also talking to on the phone for hours?
	No, no, that was after the divorce.
	I'm sorry, but if I was the wife, when I found out.
	What would you do?
	Tell us what you would do.
	But why don't she divorce him?
	Like, she doesn't care.
	So, let's move on here, but thank you, Sophia, for being open and sharing that with us.
	I regret it.
	I'm never coming back again.
	It was good.
	It was good.
	It was a.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	Okay, we have.
	I need to get caught up on a couple chats.
	We'll continue with the rest of the status of the panel.
	Ladies, what yearly salary would you consider low for a man?
	Now, Bender, I do want to point out some of these women are in university college, so for a lot of these women, I don't think that they are really all that preoccupied with money at this point, right?
	I don't think any of us have a salary job.
	Yeah, like some of these girls are 18, 19.
	I get paid hourly.
	But we will ask the question.
	Maybe you can try to frame it from currently?
	Yeah.
	No, in general.
	Like, if I'm married to somebody.
	Like, 20, you try and live in Idaho?
	What's up?
	Montana?
	What's up?
	Well, because California.
	You ain't living in California.
	Maybe Bakersfield?
	I mean.
	Even Bakersfield.
	Okay, so I'll give it 30K.
	30K.
	Okay, what about you?
	I don't really know as long as he has a job and it's a steady job, then that pays somewhat well.
	Okay, what about you?
	What's too low?
	Is that the question?
	Yes.
	What's too low?
	Would you consider low for a man?
	How about bare minimum?
	Let's just do bare minimum today to go.
	Oh, if he, he's got to be making like 70, 80,000.
	I feel like.
	What the fuck?
	Says the socialist hello?
	I told you I'm not going to fix society by myself, so I got to live with it.
	Like, what do you mean?
	That's a very like.
	You said you're a socialist, but the guy needs to make $70,000 to $80,000.
	But like I just said, I'm not going to change the world by myself, so I have to.
	Yeah, but what?
	Your partner can't be indigent?
	Indigent?
	What do you mean?
	It's like makes no money, basically, like broke.
	If he's.
	I probably don't want to be with him if he's broke.
	I want both of us to be making reparations.
	For somebody who's a socialist, that's a rather distribute your income to him.
	Actually, you know what?
	Do you believe in reparations?
	But the script.
	Do you believe in reparations for African Americans?
	Like in what, like giving them back, like land, money?
	Like, what are we talking about?
	Also, Native Americans.
	I think I would need more context.
	I think that sounds.
	I don't know how much.
	Do you have any cash on you right now?
	Cash on me?
	Yeah, I do.
	You want some?
	Yeah, would you give it to me?
	Because some people, I don't know where sleeves.
	Some people, I don't know.
	I don't know why.
	I think the context is just off right now.
	Do you have any cash in your wallet?
	I do.
	Can you.
	I feel like this has to come out of Q's mouth.
	I'm just.
	Q?
	Ask for reparations.
	I told you it's the wrong context.
	Oh, sorry.
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	I don't know why the fuck.
	That was really random.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	I think he wants to talk about it.
	He's getting a little sleepy.
	I can see it.
	I think so.
	Okay.
	So, 70 to 80K.
	Socialist, by the way.
	I'm not going to fix the country by myself.
	Like, if you can't beat them, fucking join it.
	Claire.
	It starts with you.
	Oh, sure.
	Standing on a ransomware.
	I'm not going to do it by myself.
	I think I feel like most you'd be attracted like you like communist socialist men, right?
	Not communists.
	Communism and socialism is not the same thing.
	But you're fine, you like socialist men.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, all right.
	Are they like are like okay, whatever.
	Okay, what about you?
	I work in tech, so like low for where I live in survival is like 70 to 80.
	Yeah.
	So bare minimum 70, 80k?
	Yeah.
	Emily, what about you?
	Like the lowest?
	Yeah, bare minimum.
	Bare minimum.
	We know you previously dated a drug dealer, so that might skew things.
	Right.
	Yeah, if it's not, if it's legal, I'm just kidding.
	Probably the lowest would be like 40 or 50.
	Okay.
	So Fia?
	I mean, depends where we would live, obviously.
	I would want, what was the question again?
	What's the list?
	Just bare minimum.
	Like, to date or like marry?
	Okay, so like Mary, like, I would want my husband to be able to provide for me and a family.
	And you wouldn't want to work, correct?
	I would like to be a stay-at-home mom.
	Now, if the situation, like the going got tough and I had to get a job, then obviously I'll do what I have to.
	But yeah, I would like to be a stay-at-home mom and not work.
	How many kids do you want?
	I don't know.
	Like, are you a one and done, do you think, or do you want multiple?
	So since I'm like Christian-leaning Catholic, like Catholics.
	She wants 10.
	Like, it's basically however many children the Lord will bless us with.
	And so that's what I'm leaning towards.
	Whatever.
	I'll have a lot of kids.
	I don't care.
	I'll have 10.
	I don't know.
	But that a Christian.
	I'm just saying 10 kids is a lot of mouths to feed.
	That's the thing you got to think about if you're having a lot of people.
	Well, right.
	She has a big farm.
	So, like, Catholics don't even believe in, well, they think contraception is morally wrong, but there is a thing called natural family planning.
	So if we were in a really tight financial situation where it's like, okay, right now we can't afford to have any more kids, then that's where natural family planning comes in.
	Translation.
	You can only bust nuts certain times of the month?
	Yeah.
	Basically.
	Yes.
	Sweet.
	You can do that if you're not Christian.
	You just have sex with your psychology.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's actually more effective than using a condom.
	But it doesn't, I mean, it doesn't.
	What's it called?
	Protect against S C D spot.
	Amy, what about you?
	Minimum?
	I'd say bear would be like 60, 70, around that range.
	Lynn?
	I'd say bear, like starting out, would be 35,000.
	Okay, all right.
	All pretty reasonable.
	All right, we have a chat here from Vavina.
	Okay, sorry, Q, not into the multiple girls situation you've got going on.
	I might have missed an update.
	Do you still have three, or did Maine Girl step it up?
	I think she's asking about your.
	Oh, the last time.
	Yeah.
	No, I actually chilled out a little bit.
	Hold on.
	Main girl, Main Girl is.
	She there.
	We good.
	I chilled out.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We have former.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Do I pull that one up?
	Do an interesting question.
	Do a good one.
	Spice it up.
	Let's get spicy.
	Let's get saucy.
	Get the hot sauce.
	Okay.
	I'm a 25-year-old Catholic virgin who's very ugly, so no man wants to date me.
	I've offered men hundreds to thousands of dollars to go on dates with me, but they say no.
	I would like to offer Brian 500 plus a fly out to visit me via wire transfer 72.
	Yeah, with a sounds like process.
	Anyways, so let's see here.
	We have, I need to do some of the other two chats.
	It's a girl offering you free money.
	It's all you've ever wanted.
	Would you take the offer?
	Yeah.
	She might be obsessed with you too.
	Moving on.
	Josh, how much to kick boonie cap wearing?
	Oh, wait, sorry.
	I don't know why that.
	Okay.
	Black.
	Bro, that might be TOS.
	Hold on.
	Bro.
	Hold on.
	Let me read this before.
	The rest of it?
	I just gotta make sure that.
	I already pulled it up.
	That's a little TOS.
	I don't know.
	Okay, fuck it.
	59 Euro.
	I'll explain that race is actually spectrum.
	Gender is not Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday.
	I'm black.
	The rest of the week, I'm white.
	But some Fridays I will identify as Native American if the mood strikes because it's my truth and you must believe me.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Puffy Vegas, twice in my life.
	I have took home trans.
	You can tell the difference.
	Both, I turned them down.
	P.S. I can't streamline.
	Apparently they don't know correct spelling and grammar either.
	Yeah, my audience is like primarily illiterate.
	Uneducated.
	It's pretty dope.
	Brian, you're getting butt hurt over something you can't control.
	Women have it easy.
	I think Alexa's method works in our favor.
	She removes herself out of the school.
	Just be the best version of yourself.
	Also, men pay on first date or no second date.
	You're not at 10.
	So the last four confused me.
	Well, the whole like paying on the date thing.
	So, I mean, I say this, right?
	So you're going to lose women if you don't pay for the first date.
	I acknowledge that.
	Like, if you want to min-max your dating, you should pay for the first date.
	I am starting to kind of lean towards more just like, okay, just fucking pay for it.
	But.
	So you've been going on dates?
	I'm too busy for that shit.
	How long has it been since you've been on a date?
	It's been.
	I'm a busy.
	I'm busy.
	It's been tough.
	What do you mean by a date?
	Like, have you hung out with somebody recently?
	Honestly, I kind of feel like it's better if the girl just like comes over to my place right away.
	That's kind of the point.
	So you're kind of expressing yourself away.
	How's that exposing myself?
	Nothing.
	It's just, it's just your, your, instead of like, oh, what are you going to do, watch Disney movies at your place?
	Let's, let's.
	Let's go out to this place.
	It's just like, eh, I'm kind of busy.
	Let's just kick it at my place, whatever.
	What, to watch movies or what?
	Yeah, do it.
	Play car games?
	Yeah.
	We'll backgammon chess, whatever you want to do.
	Put on like the Lion King or something.
	Exactly.
	That's my go-to shit.
	Puffy Vegas, all women cheat.
	I don't believe can't be faithful.
	Okay.
	Then don't date.
	I don't believe can't be faithful.
	Puffy Vegas, she's 27.
	I'm 49.
	She's beautiful.
	I love you.
	She said I love you.
	I never bought her anything.
	She's beautiful.
	I never bought her anything.
	Okay.
	Is this like song lyrics or some shit?
	Like, I don't know.
	It should be a rep. All right.
	Puffy Vegas, my neighbor is 27, I'm 49.
	She told, I told.
	I love.
	Told me I love.
	Bro, Puffy.
	Puffy.
	Okay, all right, all right.
	Puffy is struggling.
	Puffy is the is a fucking giga chat.
	What's wrong with this keyboard?
	Okay, let's go.
	Amy, what's your dating situation?
	What's up?
	I'm single right now.
	I'm not talking to anyone.
	Not sleeping with anyone.
	Okay.
	Wait, hold on.
	Are you also waiting until marriage?
	Not necessarily.
	My principal is just to sleep with a boyfriend, not just, you know, just a stranger.
	Have you had that yet?
	Yes.
	My longest relationship was five years.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Let's see.
	And in your pre-show notes to us, you said, let's see, not much besides being cheated on and not having a place in the market.
	There's all this talk about wanting a traditional woman, but there's no place in the market for us.
	What do you mean by that?
	The last part?
	I guess, oh, are these two kind of different, I guess?
	I guess not, but I will respond to the last part.
	I feel like they're in the market right now.
	There's a lot of IG models and a lot of OnlyFan models too, and a lot of girls who post very provocative pictures online, which I'm not saying is necessarily a bad thing.
	But I feel like a lot of men who do say, I want a traditional woman, gravitate and go for those women first, versus someone who keeps a very low radar, we don't really get noticed.
	Well, I kind of disagree with you because I think, I mean, I haven't heard much from you so far, but you're saying you're the opposite of that.
	You're the opposite of the IG model, the OnlyFans girl.
	I think there's actually a huge demand for women like you.
	Sorry, hold on.
	Okay, all right.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Dude, she really wants you.
	Except for free money.
	At least there's a hundred.
	I text her every day.
	It's not like you'll text her every day, anyways.
	Let me just, hold on.
	Hold on one sec.
	Men like Brian are my type, is what they said.
	DM.
	DM her.
	She wants cuddles and hand-holding.
	Or him, who knows?
	We don't need her.
	So, Amy, what I was going to say is that, I mean, but you often hear men say, well, the Instagram models, the OnlyFans girls, like, those aren't the girls that you want to have a relationship with.
	Right.
	By the way, W, I want to see W's in the chat, guys.
	There are no OnlyFans girls at this table, right?
	Nobody here does OnlyFans?
	No.
	I've been offered by multiple people to be like a manager for that, but no.
	Okay.
	But nobody, yo, I'm trying to move away from bringing on all these OF girls and porn stars.
	I mean, look, I'm not, there's going to be some more in the future, but I am trying to move away from it.
	Why?
	Is there a reason?
	Honestly, they're kind of obnoxious.
	And they specifically only fans.
	I don't think they're representative of like normal women.
	100% agree.
	I should go into it.
	So, and they're just like, some of them have come on the show and been like very nasty.
	Or they want to show up.
	I've seen a few on TikTok.
	Yeah, that's what made me watch these was the girls on there and then the episode with Candace Owens where she just like ripped into it.
	We look good.
	We are going to continue probably having them on, but I am trying to like, there was a point where it was like every fucking show.
	It's like half the panel, most of the panel.
	OnlyFans Girl.
	So now I'm trying to rebalance it where it's like, let's bring on some more regular girls, let's say.
	I guess we're regular.
	That's pretty sick.
	I'm undecided on you, but.
	Oh, okay.
	You care to explain.
	I'll tell you later.
	Later?
	Why can't you say it right now?
	Say it.
	Say it.
	I'm just teasing you.
	Okay.
	So, Amy, sorry, the TTS came in.
	You were saying that there's not a place in the market for women like you who are not out there showing their TNA, basically, is what you're saying.
	Yeah.
	Because I'm not on any dating apps, and that's just a principle that I made for myself.
	There have been moments where I'm like, oh, maybe, maybe should I get on, but I'm always, I always, you know, eventually say, okay, no, I'm not going to do it.
	Because I do believe that everybody has made themselves very easily accessible, especially online.
	And anybody and anybody, and everybody could find you with a search and they could DM you on anything.
	And I just don't necessarily like that type of attention.
	I feel like it's very tiring.
	That has happened to me for like two weeks when one of my TikToks went viral.
	And I got many requests.
	And I eventually just took off that Instagram account and I made a new one.
	It was very tiring.
	What did you do on TikTok?
	It was like a very, it was like a video.
	Did it get canceled?
	No, I didn't get canceled.
	It was just a gym video and people were supportive, but like men were trying to get my attention.
	And I didn't.
	You were just like working out?
	Yeah.
	Was it one of those gym videos that was like, oh my God, look at this guy.
	No.
	No, I don't even remember the context of it.
	Rude.
	Yeah.
	On your phone, get off.
	Okay.
	I think I said something along the lines of like, you can't go to a gym expecting to fix all your problems.
	You got to, you know, fix your mind too.
	I think that was pretty much the context of the video.
	Okay.
	But you're saying that being cheated on, not having a place in the market, is that a little different than the whole whole traditional woman, but there's no place in the market for us?
	I kind of think of them as the same because how I think my problem is I don't know how to find men.
	You don't know how to find men.
	Like traditional men, you know, get attention.
	I am.
	I'm Christian.
	You're Christian?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I mean, I would say that there's like if we put you next to an Instagram baddie, I would say I would think most men would prefer you over the chick who's on Instagram or who has OnlyFans.
	Eventually, but I don't think eventually.
	I don't think at first, like at first glance, I would be a first pick.
	I think a bunch of people.
	I think you're underselling yourself, to be honest.
	I agree with Brian.
	You're underselling it.
	Yeah, I think it's just hard for me right now.
	I don't know where to look.
	It's not even like I am looking, but I just haven't been approached in a very long time.
	Yeah, well, I mean, it's definitely hard because you said you're not on dating apps, which I think that's a good thing.
	But obviously, that's the way a lot of people are meeting nowadays.
	You don't have a big presence on Instagram.
	That's also in some cases.
	Well, it's also considered a dating app to some degree.
	A lot of people will meet on Instagram.
	So, yeah, it's going to be harder for you, but I think that that's not necessarily a bad thing.
	I think it's discouraging sometimes.
	It really does.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, no, I mean, and you consider yourself a bit more introverted?
	Yeah.
	A bit more on the shy side?
	Not necessarily shy.
	Not shy.
	I think I'm more ambivert.
	Ambivert.
	Yeah.
	Like a mix.
	It depends on the day.
	Yeah.
	And it's hard because men aren't doing the pursuing anymore.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	If you're not on dating apps, then like men aren't like, you know, asking you out on dates and stuff.
	Why do men have to do it, though?
	Because that's a man's role.
	That's a fair point.
	Why can't we do it?
	I mean, I've done it multiple times.
	Yeah, Amy.
	Yeah.
	Start getting on dates.
	Go to Trader Joe's.
	I think I'm okay.
	I like my piece.
	I mean, some women do, but I've done it.
	Hold on, just let her answer.
	Go ahead.
	I'm not lonely enough to be out there.
	But I have my faith of God has someone for me eventually.
	But I wonder how.
	It'll happen.
	It's best to not look.
	Because the best people are.
	Because I'm wondering.
	Wait, wait, say that again?
	The best people come around when you're not looking.
	They come out of nowhere.
	Only women can say that.
	Why is that?
	That's what I'm saying.
	I agree with that.
	Well, you as women are the pursuit typically.
	Like men, we have to do the pursuing.
	We have to approach.
	You've done it before.
	Yeah.
	Sure, that's fine, but most women don't.
	We as men, like, let's talk about dating apps or nightclub.
	If I step foot into a nightclub, I don't go to bars or clubs, not my scene.
	And I go in the corner, I have my drink, whatever, or I'm at the bar, wherever it may be.
	Nobody's coming to talk to me the entire night.
	As a woman, if you go to a bar or club, you're going to get hit on.
	Someone's going to approach you.
	Yeah.
	Same thing with dating apps.
	As a guy, if you're on the dating app, if you don't take initiative, you're not going to be on the girl, though.
	Some girls do walk up to guys, some girls don't.
	Yeah, but that's the exception, not the rule.
	Yeah, most girls don't.
	Most women do not approach men.
	You approach men.
	You approach men.
	Let's see some game.
	Okay.
	I actually...
	Here.
	I approach men more than they are.
	We're at a frat party.
	We're at a frat party.
	Okay.
	Hold on, where's the hat?
	Where's the hat?
	Well, I don't have like I don't have liquid courage, so this is gonna be harder All right.
	Let's fucking sig out.
	That's a horrible frat, by the way.
	Please wear it correctly.
	There you go.
	You got it.
	There you go.
	Yeah.
	we're waiting for you to spit game Yeah.
	Yeah, he's waiting for me.
	Thing is, I would never walk up to him.
	Fear pong.
	Yeah, no.
	Pretend he's the guy of yours.
	Just go.
	Just come out.
	Okay.
	What's up?
	Sup?
	Yeah.
	Yo, you got no fucking game.
	It's not about spitting the game.
	It's like you have to make the eye contact.
	That's how I am.
	I'm a very big girl.
	You walk up to the dude and you just starve.
	No, Wait, you say the blue?
	Were you the eyes white girl here?
	Yeah.
	Oh, we didn't talk about the blue eyes shit.
	Yeah, you were kind of creeping me out for a second there.
	She was doing it with brown eyes.
	Don't do that because it's honestly just ew.
	Well, if you're fucking staring at me like that, I would never hit on you in the first place.
	Yeah, you got no game.
	I'm sorry.
	That was weak.
	She died.
	That's also because you're old and I don't want to make it weird.
	Like, I can hit on him.
	Damn.
	You do know what a role play is, right?
	I'm going to cry now.
	You're cool, but just not my type.
	I think the feeling is mutual.
	So, okay.
	So, what was the whole thing here since we brought it up?
	The blue eyes thing.
	What's the blue eyes thing?
	You don't like men with blue eyes?
	You're really about to make me say it again.
	You didn't see the audience.
	Okay, okay, okay.
	Okay, so listen.
	Listen, chat.
	Listen to what she's about to say.
	Actually, she's actually steeped in racism, but go ahead.
	About an eye color.
	Are you racist?
	No.
	Are you racist?
	I'm full Native American.
	Why would I want to be racist?
	What do you have against?
	It's because you don't like white people?
	Who said white people are the only ones with blue eyes?
	What are you saying?
	Nothing, go ahead.
	Okay.
	Well, I was at a frat party once, like, specifically, like, a month ago, I would say.
	Yeah.
	And I meet this guy, and he's really cute.
	And I'm like, oh, I can't really see like what he looks like a little bit because it's kind of dark and there's like lights or whatever.
	And so I take him outside and we start making out and like a light comes on.
	And so I open my eyes and he's still making out with me, but with like these piercing blue eyes just staring at me.
	They weren't close the entire time we were making out.
	So when he like opened his eyes, I literally was like, I gotta go.
	And he like kind of followed me around the whole party.
	And I literally just looked at him and I was like, your eyes are just really creepy.
	Like I can't make out with you.
	Like it just gave me chills.
	It's just a preference.
	Do I have those blue eyes?
	Specifically, like that color.
	Oh, thank you.
	This color?
	Yes.
	What color are my eyes?
	Like icy blue.
	Icy, cold, murderous blue.
	Dope.
	Okay.
	Maybe not murderous.
	I wonder if any women are into that.
	The whole murderous thing.
	Oh, yeah.
	I thought there's plenty.
	You'll find.
	They write books about it.
	Good shit.
	Everyone loved Ted Bundy.
	So, okay.
	I'm too old.
	My eyes are too icy and cold and murderous.
	But I think you're cool.
	Fuck, I'm so depressed.
	Oh, my God.
	I need to go to talk therapy now.
	Okay.
	You have all of us.
	What do you mean?
	You could talk to all of us about your problems.
	Yeah, that's actually why I started this podcast.
	Fuck therapy.
	Let me start a fucking pay for it.
	Dating podcast instead of going to therapy.
	Okay, so.
	Oh.
	It's a fit with a pH.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	Let me see.
	Okay.
	So, Amy, you also had a couple other notes here.
	She's not here.
	She's not here.
	Oh, she did.
	No, she's not here.
	She went to the question about.
	Okay, I didn't even see her.
	Okay.
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	Very, very smart, Nick.
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	Okay, so Lynn, you have relationship status.
	I am very single right now.
	Very single.
	What does that mean?
	I haven't been in a relationship for a year and a half.
	Year and a half.
	But I feel like, okay, you haven't been in a relationship for a year and a half.
	When's the last time you went on a date or hung out with a guy in a romantic sort of way?
	I guess technically two weeks ago.
	You only, is this somebody you've been seeing for a while?
	No, so it was somebody that I went to high school with.
	He's been texting me like consistently for a while and I kind of just always brushed him off.
	But then one day he was like, hey, do you want to hang out?
	And I was like, screw it, why not?
	So I went to go hang out with him.
	And then we just hung out for like a couple hours.
	And then the next day he ghosted me.
	So like it wasn't really romantic, but it could have been, I guess.
	Did y'all smash?
	No.
	Smash.
	I put it in my pre-show notes that.
	That you what?
	That I haven't had sex in two years.
	Oh.
	Okay, we'll talk about that.
	So you've been celibate for two years.
	Yes.
	Why did he he it sounded like he was really like up on you and then he ghosted you so did you like do something weird?
	Did you say anything that was maybe like a red flag?
	I think he wanted to fucking yeah, he did want to straight up was like listen I don't have sex outside of like relationships like it's it's not gonna happen and I think that's all he wanted I think at some point like some part of him wanted to have a relationship with me, but I think he wanted the sex first and I wasn't willing to give that up.
	So good for you girl.
	Thank you.
	I do think Q, what are your thoughts on that though?
	Do you think my personal view is I think in the way most relationships I think tend to play out is it's not, hey, let's go on 10 dates, be boyfriend, girlfriend, then have sex.
	It's typically have sex fairly early on, continue hooking up, you start liking each other, then you become boyfriend and girlfriend.
	Yeah.
	Typically women because sexual attraction is the primary factor.
	You don't know a woman.
	Commitment is a big thing for a man.
	I say commitment is equally as risky as sex is for a woman because as you said, a woman has the ability to fuck up your life.
	So you need to know this woman.
	You need to know what this woman is about.
	You need to know what her mindset is, her attitude, her values, her personality.
	All these things you have to learn.
	But what you do know is you would smash her because she's attractive enough.
	But that's just facts, son.
	You guys want low body count, but then you're playing into that, like having sex with the woman very early on.
	Well, because we because normally we let things just develop.
	We go with the flow.
	I think it would be like a weeding out type situation where they're not wanting the women that are promiscuous, so they're going for the ones that haven't.
	So if she sleeps with you, then you're weeding her out because she's having sex with you.
	No, no, no, not necessarily.
	See, some women think if I sleep with him, then he's going to think I'm a whore.
	But that's not necessarily the case.
	But you're adding to their body count, and yet you want women with low body count.
	Not if she continues sleeping with me and only me.
	Okay, but if it doesn't work out, if you guys break up, then that's one more attitude.
	If it doesn't work out, I mean, a girl could be a virgin and then sleep with you on the first date and just stay with you.
	Yeah.
	Well, why?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Exactly.
	The girls don't do it.
	Don't sleep with guys.
	Wait until marriage.
	Because they're not going to commit.
	I'd stay with her forever.
	If she slept with you?
	Even if there were like core, just like incompatible, irreconcilable differences.
	Oh, I'm being a little facetious here.
	Don't take that.
	Okay, thank you.
	Yeah, but uh.
	But don't like you don't have to promote like everybody has to be a virgin.
	Everybody has different preferences.
	Like I think a good like measure to it would be like don't do what you don't want your partner.
	Exactly.
	You know, like if I could be a traditional woman, I wouldn't want a traditional man who would have a lower body count, which I know it is like a pipe dream.
	But I think I understand that men are more of like facial creatures.
	It's actually not a pipe dream.
	And I would actually argue that there are more women who have higher body counts than there are men who have high body counts.
	i haven't heard of that honestly i think i usually say the other way around but maybe because well i think what happens is you have like a very small percentage of men at the top like up insanely high body counts And then you have like women who are kind of in the mid-tier who are like getting 10, 20, 30, 40, whatever.
	And then you have dudes who are in that top percent for like 100, 200, 300, right?
	And then you have dude, and then you have the rest of the dudes who are getting nothing.
	Yeah, the men, the men are like virgins, low body counts.
	Yeah, the smaller percentage of men skew the average to where the average male body count is higher than a woman's by about one or two bodies.
	But it's like you said, it's that hyperstrata of men that get so many bodies that they naturally just make the average higher than a woman's.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Word.
	Word.
	I agree.
	Moving on.
	What were you going to say?
	I thought somebody was going to say some shit, so I thought I was.
	Okay.
	I mean, my personal stance is, and I'm going to have Maddie come in on this too, actually, is I think that you can sleep with someone fairly early on, and that can flourish into a serious, committed, monogamous, long-term relationship.
	I would say I've had multiple long-term relationships.
	My longest was five years.
	All of my long-term relationships, it wasn't like, let's date for three months and then have sex.
	Let's go on 10, 20 dates and then have sex.
	It was within the first three dates we hooked up and those became healthy long-term relationships.
	Yeah, because y'all got to understand the average man is not a whore.
	Like he just can't get multiple women.
	So when he finds a woman that he can finally have sex with and that sex is repetitive, he's going to typically stay where he knows he can get sex.
	So once he has sex, he probably likes you.
	You know he's attracted to you physically.
	You guys do things after.
	You pillow talk, you cuddle, whatever, whatever promotes that bonding.
	And then that's what it is.
	That's what it becomes.
	It becomes a routine.
	He can't afford it.
	Men can't typically afford to just sleep with a woman, then just move on to the next.
	Most men don't have it like that.
	Most men are not that desirable.
	Word?
	Word?
	Madison, what's the situ with Frankie?
	Frank?
	Who's Frank?
	Her boyfriend?
	Her boyfriend.
	Oh.
	So, I don't know.
	We were speaking about this like the other link, but basically, my boyfriend and I, we had sex like the first time we ever had hungout of her alone.
	Like, we didn't really go on dates before that.
	I wasn't really looking for anything.
	Like, like you said earlier, I'm pretty sure like things just kind of come to you.
	I wasn't really looking for anything.
	He was looking for a wife, but I didn't know that at the time.
	And I don't know.
	I feel like it really helped us move forward in our relationship.
	Not even just like a relationship, but a friendship in a way.
	Like it helped us.
	No, not like that.
	Not like that.
	I just like fumbled my words.
	But I don't know.
	Now we're going like one year strong.
	They've been dating for a year.
	That's cute.
	Shout out to you.
	I just feel like that's pretty, like, that's really, like, I'm super happy for you, but I just feel like that's relatively rare.
	Nah, that's pretty normal.
	I'd say most adult relationships, again, I don't think it's let's wait three months, then have sex.
	I would say most relationships, the way they develop is the people hook up relatively early on, and then they continue seeing each other, and then it becomes a relationship.
	I guess I just don't have a lot of things.
	But I mean, yeah, you haven't had a lot of fun.
	Yeah, for me, it's just the opposite experience.
	So it's like, oh, you're a virgin?
	Goodbye.
	I'm not going to try to get to know you anymore.
	Well, yeah, well, I think that's fair, but it's also doing you a favor because you're not wasting your time on a guy.
	Like, why would you want to waste time on the guy that doesn't want to move at the same pace as you?
	No, 100%.
	I mean, the thing is for me is like a lack of communication.
	Like, I'll tell someone, like, I'll be straight up with a guy about that, about myself particularly.
	And instead, like, if I'm like, if that's not what you're looking for, that's totally fine.
	You know, that's like going to be an irreconcilable difference.
	But most of the time, it's like, oh, no, it's fine.
	That doesn't change anything.
	And then they slowly distance themselves from me and I'm left questioning like what happened.
	I just have to assume that that is what happened, that they didn't like that about me.
	Is Brian waiting for marriage?
	That's what somebody asked.
	Okay, so to go back to Lynn, I had a couple questions for you here.
	So you have been celibate for two years.
	Yes.
	Good times.
	Alright.
	And you said you had a, although, or maybe not although, you have a tattoo for an ex from an ex or of an ex.
	Can you show us?
	Yeah, it's right here.
	What do you dare?
	Oh wait, the microphone.
	Can you maybe stand up?
	The microphone's blocking it a little bit.
	Yeah, it's right here.
	What's it say?
	It says Ann Angel 9498.
	And Ann.
	Ann Angel.
	A-N-A-N-G-E.
	A-N Space Angel.
	Yeah.
	Is his name Angel?
	No.
	It's Ann Angel because, so he was my high school boyfriend.
	I dated him when I was a freshman.
	Yeah.
	And he passed away.
	Oh, sorry to hear a bad day.
	And after he died, I just had a really strong presence of him being with me.
	So he became my angel.
	So I got a tattoo that says Ann Angel and then his birthday.
	How long were you dating him for?
	A year.
	Well, sorry to hear that he passed away.
	That must have been rough, especially at a young age like that.
	I didn't know I put that in my notes.
	Did you see a tattoo?
	I'm just trying to think, like, how would I feel if a girl I was dating had a tattoo of like an ex-boyfriend?
	I'll say I didn't sleep with him like we weren't sexually it was just my first serious relationship through high school And the way he died was really tragic.
	It was like a really bad car accident.
	Like, so there was any kind of like sexual bond.
	was just emotional I'd feel if I was I dated a girl who had a tattoo of her ex.
	What was it?
	It bothered me.
	What was it?
	It would bother me.
	It was his name with like a basketball.
	And it was on.
	Basketball.
	Did he pass?
	I don't know.
	He passed in the tragic basketball?
	No, no, he did not.
	He didn't pass away.
	She just had it because I guess of their connection.
	And he used to bother me.
	And I used to ask her, I was like, you know, you got a tattoo of your ex on your back, right?
	Like, it just, she was like, I'll get it covered up.
	I just could never get past it.
	I couldn't get past it.
	Okay.
	I think that's fair.
	I think most people would have a problem with that.
	But in this regard, this is a different.
	Yeah, I'm just saying that.
	Yeah, it is different because there's people that will just do it kind of impulsively.
	I would never get it.
	I would never get a tattoo for someone if they were alive.
	This was purely because he died and he was someone that helped me a lot through high school because he was a senior when I was a freshman.
	So coming into high school.
	And also I was a transfer student from a different area.
	So he helped me a lot getting adjusted to the school.
	So he was like, yeah, he was my boyfriend, but he was my favorite.
	Freshman?
	He skipped a grade.
	He was a very sexual.
	He skipped a grade.
	So he was also young.
	Oh, okay.
	Whatever.
	Because he's born in 98 and he graduated.
	Like, I would get one.
	I would get one for my first love if he passed, personally.
	Word.
	Word.
	Lynn, you also said hookup culture has literally ruined dating.
	I don't trust anyone and hate going out with guys because they always try something thinking it's okay and I won't just hook up with someone on the first date or outside of a relationship.
	Also, fun fact, something funny to okay, the celibacy thing.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So do you have like, and maybe some of the other girls here might also have a standard on this.
	Do you have like a hard and fast rule when it comes to how quickly you'd hook up with a guy?
	Like is it.
	Yeah, I feel like I put it kind of harshly.
	Like it's not like, oh, we have to be, like, I have to be your girlfriend in order for us to have sex.
	Like, I think, and I mean, I'm not even saying that I wouldn't have sex with someone the first time we hang out.
	if it feels right it feels right but never say never and like for me too is like if i say no then don't push it and if you do push it then like it's a hard it's a hard no and that's my thing is like with the guy who i just talked out with like he kept trying to like touch on me and i was like dude stop yeah that's a yikes and so like i mean it's just situations like that but yeah my thing is like i don't know what what it is about me but um whenever guys hit me up to hang out i'm like all right we can hang out but like Just so you know,
	it's very unlikely like that anything's going to happen.
	They're like, oh yeah, that's fine.
	Like, I just want to hang out.
	And then they'll try shit.
	And then I'm like, no.
	And then they continuously do it.
	So in that factor of like, I don't like going out with guys because I've just been in that situation a lot of times.
	And it's like, it sucks because it's like, I'm not opposed to the idea of having sex.
	Like, it has been on really long time since I've had sex.
	But it's just, I'm not going to do it with someone who's not going to respect my basic boundaries.
	That's another difference between.
	She's not laughing at you.
	She's laughing at them.
	That's another difference between body count too.
	But she just said, a woman touches me.
	I'd never say no.
	Like, that's not going to happen.
	I'm not going to say no.
	I'm not going to be repulsed.
	I've turned down disgusting.
	I've turned down.
	No, I've turned down.
	Yeah, I've turned down.
	Like, I've turned down probably twice.
	I've probably turned down two women.
	And that was just because I just wasn't attracted to them and they was just trying to force themselves on me.
	But most of the time, most men are not going to tell a woman, no, don't touch me.
	Like, women, y'all opt to go months, weeks, years without sex.
	If a man has the opportunity to go months, weeks, or years without sex, when he can have it anytime he wants, he's going to have it anytime he wants.
	That's also a difference.
	Like I say, we're sexually dimorphic.
	It's exhibited in our behaviors.
	There you go, folks.
	The one thing I will add, though, is I have turned down men who I was sexually attracted to.
	Strange of the mind.
	Sorry.
	I have turned down men that I was sexually attracted to.
	It's just a matter of like, I'm not going to do it just to do it.
	Like, I'm not going to, like, I'm not going to, if I see someone who I'm like, oh, like, you're really hot, like, I would have sex with you.
	That's not enough for me.
	Like, I can, like, a 10 could walk into the room right now.
	And if he was like, oh, let's hook up right now, I would still say no because for me, it's like more than just the act.
	Yep.
	So that's it for you guys who just take no accountability, no responsibility.
	You just, you have sex because that's just the way the men are.
	Like, you're not going to take any, like, accountability for, like, saying no because, you know, like we discussed, like, women also look for men.
	Like, women with low body counts or virgins also look for men with low body counts or virgins.
	But you're just like, oh, we're men.
	We're just the way we are.
	So you're going to take no accountability.
	Well, it's the reality of the situation.
	It's not about avoiding accountability.
	It's about realistic expectations.
	Can you not have self-control?
	It's about realistic expectations.
	You can in theory, but will you find a man who actually demonstrates that to the degree that you're talking about?
	Highly unlikely.
	That's just the reality.
	It's not that hard to just.
	According to you, it's not hard for a woman to, but once again, you're not a man.
	You're not a man.
	So you can't say that.
	And you won't find men who agree with you in that regard.
	I mean, again, it just goes back to it depends what circle you're a part of, where you're meeting.
	No, it depends on its biology.
	Part of it is biology, but you can absolutely exercise self-control.
	Are you talking about dick discipline?
	If that's what you want to call it.
	Basically, that's what you're talking about.
	And like I said, in theory.
	You can't just use that as an excuse and be like, oh, well, we men sweep.
	That's not an excuse.
	That's called an explanation.
	It's an explanation.
	It is a fact that men have.
	Like, I acknowledge the biology is different.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I know the bias is different.
	But what I'm saying, what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is you're operating on should be's.
	What you think.
	Why can't this happen?
	Why can't this be?
	Well, it just sounded like you were using that as an excuse.
	Like, oh, like, that's the way we are.
	That's how you integrate.
	Get away with it.
	I'm explaining human behavior.
	Yeah, I'm explaining human behavior.
	We got a chat here.
	Have, hold on, Fally.
	Thank you, man.
	Thank you so much for your donation.
	Hey, Brian.
	Yeah, she's actually coming this month.
	I think she's going to do a double-up.
	She's going to be on two shows.
	I forget the dates, but she will be here this month.
	So, yeah, very much looking forward to having Mary back.
	She's great every time.
	We have Son of Hacks.
	Since you like to read, why don't you read this one?
	Oh, I like to read out loud.
	Go.
	Okay, sure.
	Into the mic?
	Go ahead.
	Wait.
	No, read it out loud.
	Why?
	So I don't have to read it.
	You just read it.
	Oh, I'll read it.
	Would any woman on the panel be a homestead honey?
	Live in a food forest with livestock, drinking fresh morning smoothies, living self-sufficient with a permaculture design consultant, traveling around the world, turning farms into paradise.
	Yeah, I would.
	I would.
	That's an introvert's paradise right there.
	That sounds amazing.
	Like my dream.
	That and kids.
	As long as I can have cows that I don't eat.
	Like, I just want a pet cow.
	Are you vegan?
	No.
	No, I mean like I want a pet cow.
	Like I don't pet cow.
	Yeah, like I'll like I just want one that I can like eat.
	I want the same thing.
	And I want like a cow like just for milk.
	And I want one of the ones with the long not eat.
	We have a question here.
	Stiffler, ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
	We're going to go around the table starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	Ten.
	I'd give myself like a seven.
	Nine.
	8.5 when I work out.
	Consistently.
	Emily?
	I'd say like, yeah, an eight.
	I don't know, six and a half, seven.
	Six.
	I'd say six.
	Q?
	6.5.
	You're more than that.
	I give myself a 6.
	Sometimes I say 6.9 on a good day.
	Wait, so 10?
	Now I feel like really conceited.
	I don't know how to explain my reasoning.
	Female imposter.
	Nine.
	Nine.
	You're nine?
	Yeah, I think.
	I mean, it's kind of hard to, I mean, based on my own opinion, not everyone's going to be attracted to me, but I don't think there are a lot of perfect tens out there, and I think I'm a conventionally attractive person.
	So you're one point off of a 10.
	I mean, here, okay, I'm just going to come out.
	I'm going to say that's not math.
	I'm just going to come out and say it.
	There are no tens or nines at this table.
	That's right.
	I think that rating your looks, like it's, it's like, looks are very subjective.
	There's not really like a, there's no like standard.
	Like there is some degree of objectivity.
	Okay, there's good.
	There is.
	Yes, but like maybe I don't want to put myself in that standard.
	Maybe like my rating of it is not based on that standard.
	Well, but okay, so but you're here's the thing.
	Your perception of yourself does not determine how other people view you or see you in the world.
	Right.
	But it said okay, so here.
	If I think I'm a billionaire, but my bank account, which is something that that's external, if I have a hundred bucks in it, I'm not a billionaire.
	Yeah, obviously.
	If, okay.
	If I was obese, and honestly, look, I'm just stressing it in terms of it.
	I need to lose like 20 or 30 pounds.
	I'm kind of, I got a dad bot right now.
	I'm disappointed in myself.
	I'm working on it.
	I can't sit here with my fucking dad bod and say I'm a 10.
	Now, if I was obese, that would be even worse, right?
	Right now, I'm just got a dad bod.
	But still, I'm fucked up.
	I'm fucking up.
	Wow, I got it.
	Okay, that was intense.
	I can't claim that.
	You can't claim, like, you can't claim to be a 10 if you got a dad bot, you know?
	I got a dad bot right now.
	I can't claim 10.
	I can claim 10 because I you don't have a dad bod I have.
	I'm not saying you do, I'm just, yeah, I don't.
	Yeah yeah, but that's beside the point.
	Like it's not personally, like I don't know how, I don't know how to measure it, so in my eyes, I'm a 10.
	That's not based on any standard that I like believe in.
	Yeah, she's confident that she feels good about herself.
	Do, does any?
	I have some makeup remover.
	Does anyone here want to revise their answer?
	I will do it.
	I will do it.
	Can I have one?
	What is that actually?
	Can I have one of those so I don't have to wash my face when I don't know?
	Yeah right, I'm good.
	I mean, how long ago I've had that?
	Is it expired?
	I just did my makeup for fun.
	Makeup remover expires.
	Yeah, you want to do it, Sophia?
	Yeah, I can do it.
	You want to do it too?
	What is this trying to prove?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I don't need right now.
	Uh, have you ever had women actually take the waves?
	No, this is our first time.
	Actually normally, I reject.
	Do you want, Emily?
	You want to?
	No, I'll take one, but I'm not gonna look at it.
	Pay for my makeup.
	Pay for your makeup that you're gonna take off in an hour anyway.
	No, I'm just kidding actually, like it's really not that much.
	I mean, like I feel like women can wear makeup and still can't.
	Can we see?
	See, without the lipstick, just the lipstick without?
	Why does it matter?
	Like, why does it really matter at hardness?
	I know I don't have top sticks then my lips are gonna get really dry, oh no, but the thing is I don't care.
	You said you major in psychology, but my lip is.
	This is gonna be something.
	That's your point.
	Something that psychologists do is actually scientifically determining what they determine.
	The color makes it prettier, basically how to measure attraction and what the markers are for beauty for, like the standards of beauty.
	There are a lot of markers like facial symmetry, a certain like certain dimensions of the face, a proximity of your eyes versus your nose, things like that.
	So what they do is basically you can tell how objectively attractive somebody is, just cross-culturally.
	So if I was to take a picture of you and show it to different groups of men and they rate you, then most of them would rate you similarly.
	No actually like, beauty in different cultures is perceived very differently.
	No, it's not culturally different.
	No, it's not.
	There is objectivity but also culture very much.
	Yeah yeah, but we're in the United States.
	No no, not even that beauty is objective, because that's how you, that's how it becomes a phenomenon.
	You can't.
	No, but we just talked about, like at the beginning of the podcast, how beauty standards change.
	Yeah, but wait, but I'm telling you, I'm telling you that's not true.
	I'm telling you that's not true.
	That's not true at all.
	It can't be proven.
	Wait, it has not.
	No, it has.
	I think I might have something, but let me come, let you come in right after this.
	I can show you a myriad of studies where it's cross-cultural regardless.
	So would you say so, somebody who is deemed a 10 in one culture, let someone who's exceptionally attractive in one culture you, you say could be deemed ugly in another culture.
	Yeah, I think that there is a major cultures here.
	Let's not talk about some beauty, but let's not talk about some like 300 person trial.
	Well, if you're talking about, like Western, Western cultures, then modern Western cultures, Are you going to agree, because they're all modern Western cultures?
	But I would argue that an exceptionally attractive woman in Japan or Korea is going to be deeply also attractive in a Western country.
	True.
	But at what time period, too?
	It doesn't matter.
	The 1600s, son?
	What are we talking about?
	Well, if you look at pictures of what, like in the 1600s, what they deemed attractive, you would find it ugly today.
	Modern day.
	Modern day, modern day, it's going to be more similar even across cultures, whatever, because there's an objectivity to beauty, but then there's also cultural.
	But culture also changes over time.
	In Victorian London, England, I don't care what the dating is.
	Beauty standards change.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I think certain aspects.
	The only reason they've changed lately is because of plastic surgery.
	Like women have had makeup for hundreds and hundreds of years, but plastic surgery, getting new lips, boobs, ass, that's all something that's going to change your looks from a six to a ten.
	So that's when women can't really call themselves, I'm a 10.
	I actually disagree.
	I disagree with you on that.
	I think it makes women less attractive.
	Well, true, but I'm just saying in the sense where a woman could look completely different.
	So, like, a man could look at a, it would be an entirely new person, so, like, they're.
	No, you're the same person, but you've got a bunch of plastic in you.
	Well, I've seen people look really different, is what I mean.
	Like they would look drastically different.
	So like somebody would look at them and who's not very intelligent might not know that they've had a lot of plastic surgery and consider them an eight or nine.
	Sure.
	I don't know.
	I got a good vision for fake tits.
	And it's just because you're over your 30s.
	You're a lot more intelligent than young men who are 20, 18.
	That men my age do not know how to tell whether a woman's had a bad person.
	So young men are being catfished.
	Yes.
	We started with the film shit.
	Because they don't have the vision.
	They haven't developed the fucking.
	Bro, I can see that shit.
	I could tell if a woman has some fake titties in a burqa.
	That's how good my shit is.
	She's like, boom.
	Am I going to get canceled for this shit?
	She's wearing a full-on Nick hat.
	Is that Nick Hat?
	I don't know.
	Look, she's fully covered up.
	I know.
	If she got some fake titties.
	So wait, I think a good testimony is.
	Oh, God.
	I'm going to get canceled.
	Do any of us have plastic surgery?
	Like, do I have any word for that?
	Fake titties?
	Any word for it?
	I mean, I don't make it a habit to like stare at women's chest.
	It's like, you know, I tried to look at people in the face.
	But are you, you want me to just glance at your titties?
	I can look at it.
	Just my whole face.
	You don't have fake titties.
	I can tell.
	The t-shirts are a little tough with the t-shirt.
	I honestly, I don't think any girls here have fake titties.
	No.
	And I haven't even taken like a solid gander at any of the titties here.
	I haven't, you know.
	It's almost in my peripheral vision.
	I'm just looking at you with the eyes.
	I'm looking at you in the eyes right now.
	It's a little creepy.
	I'm not even looking.
	Right, you don't like men with blue eyes.
	Just my peripheral vision, I know you don't got fake titties.
	Why would I need to?
	Huh?
	Why would I need to?
	Like, I just, I like saying is recognizing when people have plastic surgery or not.
	Oh, one question on the whole 10 thing, right?
	Do you think all women are tens?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	That's fine, though.
	I mean, if they think they're 10, they can think they're like God.
	But.
	Word, word, word.
	Okay, we got to get back to a couple things here.
	Oh, we have to do her dating app.
	We're going to do a quick dating app review of her dating profile.
	We're going to check it out.
	Nick, if you're able to pull it up.
	What were the other things?
	Whoa!
	Next one?
	That?
	Okay, I go.
	Wait, what's the quick rant thing?
	What was that?
	Blue eyes.
	Blue eyes.
	Oh, the blue eyes thing?
	Okay, we already covered that.
	Yeah.
	She goes crazy for tattoos and brunettes.
	They do.
	Hi.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Oh.
	Oh, that's just a photo.
	This is her photo.
	So chat, this is kind of like chat.
	This is like, you swipe left, you swipe right.
	Although it's hinge, so it's like our dislike or not like.
	It says figuring out my dating.
	My greatest strength, Marvel movies.
	You had to be there.
	It smells like nasty-ass pussy in here.
	That's like...
	That was a frat party.
	And I literally walked in.
	It smelled like the gross ocean.
	Is that what pussy smells like?
	What the fuck?
	What kind of pussy are you round?
	It smelled disgusting in there.
	Is that our...
	It smelled fishy as fuck.
	This is a very sexist statement for you to say.
	You are a misogynist.
	How dare you say that pussy smells like London?
	Like fish.
	Wow.
	Like, if you don't take care of yourself, you can get a little fishy.
	Yeah.
	I think you're self-snitching on yourself.
	Yo, Flan Life, thank you for all the gifted membership.
	Sorry when you missed it.
	Next.
	My vulnerable side, okay, I'll fall for you if you open the car door.
	Stop the cap.
	Next.
	This is grease.
	Are you crying there?
	Okay, that was like the day my ex-boyfriend broke up with me.
	And you documented it?
	Yeah, I grant it.
	Like, you ever seen these like TikToks and videos of women who are crying and shit?
	And like, and they get their phone.
	Oh.
	I'm so sad.
	Let me just get on to my camera.
	Okay.
	Let me make sure the angle's good.
	It's not.
	Oh, no, it was kind of in the moment.
	It's weird who people like, I don't know, it's so fake.
	I actually accidentally took that picture.
	Oh, okay.
	I like went to go on Snapchat and it took the picture, so I was like, okay.
	Wait, Nick, can you go back to it real quick?
	Okay, nice.
	Next one.
	My life behind the scenes.
	Wait, is that what is my party?
	Is that a frat party?
	That's my party trick.
	What I can do the splits.
	What is that?
	The splits and twerking.
	I thought she was twerking.
	Wait, Nick, can you go too back to the open the car door one?
	Open the car door.
	Go back to the twerking one?
	I want.
	I could show you a video.
	I want a gentleman, but.
	Can I not have fun and dance at a party?
	It's just like the demands for gentlemen.
	It's a fucking joke.
	No.
	Oh, you'll fall.
	What?
	The car door thing?
	No, like me doing the splits.
	It's like me having fun.
	I'm literally intoxicated.
	Okay.
	What are you saying?
	You're telling me like when you're intoxicated, you know everything you're doing at all times if you're really drunk.
	I mean, I don't know you well enough, but I guess what I'm trying to get at is there is a demand from, whenever I see a demand of, I want a guy to pay for the first date, I want a guy to do all these like gentlemanly chivalrous things, but then you conduct yourself in a way that is not.
	The car door thing was kind of a joke too, because it's just something so simple you should do it.
	It's like you're opening a door for somebody.
	I guess what I'm trying to get at, if you want to be treated like a lady, you ought to conduct yourself like a lady.
	Why is it so black and white?
	Like it doesn't have to be like that.
	I mean twerk.
	When I think, look, you're free to twerk.
	I'm not saying there should be.
	Yeah, you're a man saying you don't like things.
	Twerking?
	No, I don't.
	Girls twerking.
	Like dancing.
	No.
	To have fun.
	A girl twerking would be like, that's not life human tear right there.
	Like, do you not like girls that dance in general then?
	Well, I mean, I have a hot take on this, but we're speaking about something very specific.
	You're like on the floor at a frat party.
	Look, you're free to do it.
	I'm not saying there should be some ban on it.
	However.
	Yeah, I have fun with my life.
	No, that's good for you.
	I'm a dinosaur who doesn't drink, who doesn't party, who doesn't do any drugs, who's a little boring, you know?
	She's shaking her head.
	Miss Christian over here is down with the.
	Well, I'm young.
	I'm supposed to have.
	No, I know.
	That's how a lot of people are.
	It's not like I'm opening my fucking legs for the whole world.
	Like, it's just having fun.
	We can talk about that too.
	No, but I guess what I'm saying is, is that there's without saying you can't do it, you shouldn't do it.
	But what I do think, a lot of guys are going to look at that.
	And if you do that.
	No, they think it's funny.
	That's cool.
	But like, and I'm not saying, I mean, I know you said the car door thing, whatever.
	You say you probably don't even give a fuck about that.
	But I would say there are a lot of women out there who request gentlemanly treatment, who request chivalrous treatment, want the guy to pay for the first date, want the guy to be a provider, but they are not conducting themselves in a way that is in a ladylike behavior.
	And I would say like going to parties.
	I'm not perfect.
	I'm human.
	That's fine.
	But can we agree that twerking is not ladylike behavior?
	I love it.
	It's fun.
	Lady-like to behave.
	That's totally fine.
	Nice one, Nick.
	That's totally fine.
	I'm not like hating on you or anything.
	Am I hating on you?
	You should try it out sometime.
	Twerking, I'll pass on that.
	Why?
	I feel like that'd be fun to say.
	Me too.
	Like on the table right here.
	Can you believe?
	Someone's going to have to donate a fuck ton of money for me to ever fucking twerk.
	Somebody donate a grand.
	He'll come to it right now.
	You'll do what right now?
	Donate.
	Okay.
	To me?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, she'll do.
	All right.
	I did.
	She will twerk.
	No, but I'm going to do it.
	Oh, you will.
	She will twerk.
	You will.
	Yeah, it's just like, you know.
	Hold, make it a, like, make it a thing, though.
	Like, even if I'm not here right now, like, in your next podcast, if somebody sends a grand.
	Well, we have a champagne pop for us.
	If somebody donates $1,000, we'll pop a bottle of champagne right now.
	Yo, that's cool.
	Okay, well, what's your point, though?
	For the recording.
	I do agree with you on this.
	Oh, well, thank you very much.
	No, look, look, I'm not saying I'm not like.
	You don't have an ass.
	I don't know if that really said, but like the.
	How dirty was that floor, by the way?
	Oh, I was blacked out in that for sure.
	That was last year, actually.
	That's when I am.
	Do you think a guy should pay for the first date?
	Actually, the four days ago with the guy or whatever, I offered to pay half.
	Oh, that's so nice of you.
	I don't do it all the time.
	If the guy busts out his card, like, and he doesn't ask anything really, but like, I can tell by the vibe, like, if they like, oh, you want to pay a little bit of this too?
	And then I get that vibe and then I'll offer.
	Look, it's 2023.
	There's equal rights.
	There's feminism.
	If you want to go to party.
	Look, I know that's how a lot of young people move.
	They go out, they party, they get drunk, they dance.
	That's fine.
	But I guess my objection to it is, is then don't turn around and demand men act in this language.
	I don't demand anything.
	That's fine.
	But the whole car door thing, that is kind of a chivalrous thing.
	I want a guy to open the car door.
	That is kind of a traditional, just so gentlemanly.
	That's where I agree.
	If you want chivalry, you got to act ladylike.
	Right, like because a lot of people demand, like a lot of women will demand men act like gentlemen, men act in the chivalrous manner, which is well, they demand that men act chivalrous, but chivalry is something, like you, you think it's just something that will automatically manifest itself in men and not something that women ought to try to nurture in men through their own behavior.
	I mean, like, for me.
	I like a guy to be himself, and I feel like most of the time on first dates, they put up this front, and I don't like it.
	It's like a front of like trying to be so gentleman, and I don't like that.
	You like an asshole?
	No, not an asshole, but I like somebody to be themselves.
	Sure.
	Not putting up a front where it's like, oh, I'm this, like, gentleman, blah, blah, blah.
	No, I want to know you.
	I want to know who you are, not this guy that you're trying to, like, put out.
	Word.
	I have the scam blocker, the one in the brown top with short blonde hair, is the only one I'm attracted to.
	What does that mean?
	Because of her character, based or not, question mark.
	I think that's you.
	Sophia, do you want to say anything to him?
	Thanks.
	Are your DMs open?
	No, only what?
	Their DMs open?
	They can message you.
	Sure.
	We have Puffy Vegas 49300 OF wife have offered me.
	What does this even say, dude?
	I can't read that.
	Thank you, Puffy Vegas, but what the fuck?
	Spell check, please.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate you.
	love you.
	Okay.
	We have, let me see where we're at.
	Oh, Amy, I had another question for you based off of your notes here.
	Let's see.
	The delusion of a villain arc.
	What's a villain arc?
	What do you mean by that?
	I don't know if you guys ever heard of it, but I'm pretty sure you guys have.
	You guys have heard of a villain arc?
	It's usually like what would happen if, let's say, you get like broken up with, like, you get really like heartbroken, and then all of a sudden you're posting like all these gym videos.
	I've been one of those people.
	I will say that.
	But you start acting like, you know, F everybody.
	Like, I'm going to do my own thing.
	Like, screw this, screw that.
	And then you just have a very negative view of the world.
	That's a villain arc.
	Rude.
	Rude.
	Get off your phone.
	What do you say?
	What did he say?
	Okay, I kind of called him in the bathroom, not gonna lie.
	Whatever.
	What did he say?
	And I was just like, hey, I'm sorry for talking about it.
	And he was like, I low-key wish you mentioned my name.
	And I was like, no, Because I don't want to expose myself either at the same time.
	Sure.
	Oh, okay.
	So villain arc.
	So you're saying that someone gets dumped and then they use that as justification to just become a piece of shit?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I think people like maybe.
	Like, I understand we all go through like our phases, you know, the five stages of grief, like, especially after something like, you know, a breakup that happens.
	But I don't think you should, like, allow yourself to be in that villain arc for a long period of time.
	You got to get up.
	Yeah, I definitely think social media promotes that sort of thing too, because I don't know.
	It seems like there's almost this trend.
	It seems a little more pronounced in women where it's like, it's quirky to kind of be toxic.
	To me, it's just like, also, I almost wonder if men deal with rejection a lot more than women.
	So it's like when women do get rejected by a guy, they don't know how to handle rejection.
	So it's like, okay, I got curved by like two dudes.
	No, I'm just going to be a piece of shit the rest of my life.
	I think that's some real shit.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I think that women don't like nice guys who are nice all the time.
	But I think my advice to men would be like, still be a gentleman, still be chivalrous.
	Playfully tease her a little bit.
	You know, like you can, you can like yeah, you can tease her.
	I don't know I'm tired, I'm sorry, but like you don't have to be like nice 100% of the time, like it's okay.
	You know women like that, but don't be an asshole or whatever.
	I think what I'm trying to say with the Bill And Art thing is, you know, once you get out of relationship or whatever, like don't, don't try to hate.
	You know like things have passed, things have happened.
	Don't hate all men because one man did you wrong.
	Don't don't try to say that.
	I think it's very unfair for the very good men that are out there.
	This goes for a woman too.
	If a woman has ever cheated on you or wronged you, please don't hate the whole population of women because all of us are like that.
	Basically, please have more.
	If anything from my Christian faith that I could share is just please have grace with each other.
	Okay.
	I think that's a big thing.
	I think another thing to point out is like a lot of people say nice guys finish last and girls will even say nice girls will finish last.
	And there's a difference of like, and I'm like have tried to talk to some of my guy friends about this because they're genuinely nice guys.
	And they're like, I went on this date.
	And like, I don't know why she won't call me.
	I don't understand it.
	And it's like, there's a difference between kindness, which I think is something everyone should have and focus on, but niceness sometimes means that you bend to everything for this person.
	And it's being in a really healthy relationship is being able to say no to things and having healthy boundaries.
	And I think that sometimes what happens is people get so enthralled by somebody and they want to be with that person.
	I'll be there.
	I'll cancel all my plans to be with you.
	I'll do this.
	I don't have a life.
	And it's saying, like, hey, I need to have enough self-respect to say it's okay to say no to people sometimes and say when you're not comfortable with things.
	And it's okay to be kind, but nice sometimes gets, I think people think saying yes and being a yes person is the way to do it.
	And most people respect people who have healthy boundaries.
	Yeah, or it becomes the nice guy syndrome.
	Here, let me redirect the conversation here just because I want to try to get through all these.
	There was a lot of pre-show notes, and then we do have to wrap up here pretty soon.
	I'm hungry.
	Oh, McDonald's.
	We got, there's food afterwards.
	So let's see.
	You said, oh, you went out with a guy, he got punched in the face, and then bit by a dog on the first date.
	Was there a second date?
	Oh my gosh.
	Can you explain?
	Can you explain?
	What happened on some very eventful dates?
	Short version.
	So we went out crazy.
	When we went out to dinner, it was fine.
	His friend was having a party nearby, so we decided to go.
	And some chick punched him in the face.
	He's deadass.
	Randomly?
	Just randomly?
	She goes, you look like you have a face worth punching.
	He was a bit of a dick, though, I'm not going to lie.
	There's multiple reasons there wasn't a second date.
	And then he tried to get handsy with me while I was holding this dog, and the little fluffy dog was looking out for me and just bit his face.
	This was like everywhere.
	Yeah, this dog was like, don't come near her.
	Don't take it out.
	Dog was looking out.
	But I was like, he had a rough night.
	Yeah, that's L after L. Fucking punched in the face by a chick.
	Bit by a dog.
	You broke up with your three and a half year relationship via text.
	I did.
	Because he was cheating with his buddy's soon-to-be ex-wife who's leaving her husband for cheating.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	I think that's pretty valid.
	That's pretty valid.
	Well, so the crazy part was it was one of those things and sort of like how you're saying, like, try to be nice, even like walk away and have a flex and just kind of just whatever.
	I was too nice and too yes person for a long time.
	I was the same way.
	Yeah.
	And I had a feeling he was cheating and I even said, like, went up to him dead ass, and I was like, look, if you don't think I'm the one for you, let me know.
	We can end this.
	And like, just don't waste my time.
	And like, we live together everything.
	He's like, no, I love you.
	I want to grow old with you.
	We went on a vacation with my grandparents to like Idaho.
	And then we came back.
	And I got a feeling.
	I work in tech too.
	So I found out through the iPad he was cheating on someone that is the girl that you have a feeling with even when you're together we used to go on double dates with this couple.
	Yeah.
	And so I, yeah, he and then when I when I caught him I confronted him via text and he kept denying it and I screenshotted exactly what he sent to her saying you're the most beautiful woman I've ever seen.
	I want to be with you.
	And he goes well you should have seen this coming.
	And so we were supposed to go to New York together that weekend.
	He had a flight a few hours before mine.
	And so he left.
	I broke up with him text.
	I moved all my shit out of the apartment and never spoke to him again.
	Wow.
	Dope.
	Cheating.
	I broke up almost a four year relationship.
	We do have to move.
	We can't linger on that for too long.
	You said, I think that most people don't actually know what they want, expect way too much from their partners, even though they can't articulate it themselves.
	If you don't know what you want, how is your partner supposed to?
	Yeah, I think, sorry, answer, no.
	Well, I was going to ask, you said, if you don't know what you want, how's your partner supposed to?
	What do you want?
	I want someone who has a high level of integrity.
	I want someone who's kind, not nice.
	And I want someone who is very disciplined.
	And that's something that, because the thing is, like, people talk about, oh, I want this job, I want this lifestyle, yada, yada, whatever it is.
	I think if you focus on core values and characteristics of people, that is something that you can go a lot further with because they will end up being there.
	And like, if I can say something real quick.
	So I am like a big advocate for, it's called the four pillars.
	And I want to say this was like a study done back like during the Clinton administration where they said if you can agree with these four things in your relationship, the probability of your relationship ending is like 10%.
	And number one is finances, because number one reason people get divorced in this country is money fights and money problems.
	Number two is in-laws.
	Number three is kids, whether or not to have them and how to raise them.
	And number four is religion.
	And if you can agree on those four things, I think a lot of people don't talk about that.
	They see, oh, we have the same Spotify playlist or, you know, very shallow things that people try to find hobbies.
	Your partner doesn't need to be everything for you.
	We are social animals.
	It's not fair to put everything on a guy in this situation to be your best friend, your confidant, the one that's supposed to provide you excitement, but also stability and security.
	It's not fair to ask one person to give you all these things when most of us can't even give it to ourselves.
	Sure.
	So it's looking for what you need, not necessarily what you want.
	Got it.
	And I think a lot of, sorry, can I add to that real quick?
	I think a lot of people just jump into marriage because, oh, I love this person.
	And I think that you need to be smart and intentional about dating and ask those questions before you get married to see if you are really compatible and not just compatible.
	Like, oh, we get along well, but like, actually, like, would the marriage work out?
	Yeah.
	And I think another thing on that too is this is the first time in human history, especially in the U.S., that we marry for love.
	We don't marry for compatibility.
	And the problem is if you just marry for love, love is fickle.
	And you have to, like, for me, if I find a couple that's been married for a long time and you can tell they're still genuinely love in love, I always ask them, like, give me the secret.
	I need to know because I do not come from a family where relationships have been successful.
	And recently, one of the guys that I asked, he's been married for 28 years and they absolutely love and endure each other.
	He goes, love is a choice that you have to make every day.
	I don't like my partner every day, but I love him and I choose to stay.
	A lot of women leave relationships now, not because they're unhappy, but it's because they think they could be happier.
	And that's a big issue.
	That shit was profound.
	Yep.
	Another thing that Ben Shapiro said that really stuck with me was also pick a partner that with values that you would like with your kids to have.
	That's another thing.
	So going back to the four pillars thing, that's usually the one.
	So most people don't care if their partners, for instance, like religion.
	Some people don't care if your partner is religious or not, if they're not, but it's when you have kids and now it's okay, are we raising?
	So that's actually the reason my most recent relationship ended.
	I love him.
	He's a wonderful person.
	I have no ill will towards him.
	We're still friends.
	But I want to raise my kids Christian and he's not.
	And it's hard to break up with someone that you genuinely are like, we get along in every other way.
	Sure.
	But you can't have half a kid.
	Okay.
	I'm going to come back to a couple things here.
	We were talking a little bit about rosters early on in the show, and I just wanted to kind of go around the table.
	Have you ever had a roster of guys?
	I feel like I need to get away from it.
	Dating multiple men at the same time.
	Yeah.
	How many?
	Like two.
	Usually it's like just like two or three, like nothing major.
	Well, we need to do that.
	I'll just do the first date.
	If I don't go on second, second dates are really hard.
	So as soon as I go on a second date with someone, I'm usually not talking to other people.
	Okay.
	Emily, what about you?
	Ever had a roster?
	No.
	Never?
	No, I've no, actually, they never overlapped any of the guys I've dated.
	No overlap, Sophia.
	Any overlap?
	Yeah, no, I mean, I've been like interested in two guys at the same time.
	I wasn't dating both of them at the same time.
	Sure.
	Yeah, same.
	Like, I was interested, but I've never was talking to them or seeing them or anything.
	Yeah.
	Amy?
	No roster for me.
	Lynn?
	No.
	Once I'm interested in someone, it's only them.
	Gotcha.
	I want to ask this.
	Sugar daddies, earlier on, I overheard before the show, this was related to the dating app thing.
	You have a couple sugar daddies currently?
	No.
	No.
	You used to?
	Never.
	I had one.
	Oh.
	And basically.
	How did you meet that?
	I got banned from Tinder because when I first signed up, I didn't know there was like an age thing where you can move around the ages.
	So I kind of just.
	Yeah, 18 plus.
	I left it there, and there was like old men popping up, and I'm like, this is kind of weird.
	And then I guess they would find my Instagram, DM me on Instagram a bunch of stuff.
	Did you have your Instagram in your bio?
	Because on your dating app.
	Oh, I got banned from Tinder, but let me let me see.
	Okay, okay, okay, go ahead.
	At one point in time, I was fucking around and I was like, I'm just gonna like all these old men and see what genuinely happens.
	So they start texting me on Tinder and they're like, I will send you like three grand right now.
	I could be your sugar daddy.
	I'll take you out.
	I'll pay for everything.
	Like this and that.
	And I was just like, okay, like, here's my Venmo.
	They sent me money, but I got banned from Tinder because of that.
	How much money total do you think you made from the Venmo thing?
	Off Tinder specifically?
	Maybe a grand.
	Life.
	Once again, life on easy mode.
	There's no money.
	No, it went to my rent for my parents.
	There is literally no guy, I don't care how fucking attractive he is on the face of this planet that can instantly get money from women on a dating app.
	But he just offered you money and you refuse it.
	You don't.
	That money went to rent, though, because I helped my parents out.
	Yo, Nico, thank you.
	My name is Nick, longtime watcher, first time comment.
	Just had a son.
	Congrats on me, Nick Jr.
	Love watching Nick at night as he's so fucking got me.
	My GF1 has to give him her last name.
	What did he just say?
	Nickelodeon.
	I think he's memeing.
	Any advice on what?
	Wait, my girlfriend wants to give him her last name.
	Do you not get it?
	Yeah, her first name.
	And I'm going to give them the last name that I'm not going to repeat.
	No, holy fuck.
	Oh my.
	If you put the first name and the last name together, they're just making a racist comment.
	Yeah, I didn't.
	I just realized that.
	Yeah, that took you a long time.
	No, nobody said it.
	No.
	You just said Nick Jr.
	I didn't get that either.
	I was trying to like Nick Jr.
	I was like, I didn't get it.
	Wait, wait.
	Anyways.
	Okay.
	Your sugar daddies.
	Oh, life on easy mode, yeah.
	No.
	Life on easy mode.
	Sure, I got the money, but I put it towards my rent for my parents.
	I gave it to them for rent.
	Yeah, life on easy mode.
	Sure.
	That's not older than these modes.
	Women don't have life on easy mode.
	Like, that's not just because we can get money.
	Easier than men.
	That's easy mode.
	It's pretty handsome.
	I mean, yeah, it's exhaustible.
	Yeah, if I could easily pay my rent with somebody's money, that's easy.
	You're talking about that.
	You don't have to work an hour, a minute of your time, and you can pay your rent with somebody else's money.
	I still work.
	No, we don't get paid.
	That's when you pay the rent with that.
	If you really wanted to finesse, you could get on the Sugar Daddy websites.
	You could get all the dating.
	Oh, you were on Seeking?
	No.
	SugarDaddy.com.
	As a joke, too.
	I just want to, like, preference.
	I'm not going on there specifically to like find a sugar daddy.
	It's like, I'm doing it to like see.
	Piece of shit.
	No.
	But I'm just like seeing how this works because I like, I was like interested.
	I was like, okay, I'm just going to sign up, see what happens.
	I mean, you also said when you were on the dating apps, which are people genuinely go on there to try to find whether it's casual, whether it's more serious, you were just like, well, I mean, I suppose it's not going to be a good thing.
	didn't go on there just for the sugar daddies i mean like it was just like wait so okay These dudes just sent you a thousand and then you got banned because of the age thing.
	No, because of the money.
	Oh, they don't allow things like that on there.
	Yeah, and rightfully so.
	They should protect men from predatory women.
	But.
	Anyways.
	There's not men on dating apps who are preying on women the same way that women are preying on men on dating apps for money.
	Okay.
	You're for money, but for what?
	I didn't ask for any of it.
	I was just like, here's my Venmo.
	You want to do you?
	Go ahead.
	Look, I think men have some accountability in this.
	You shouldn't.
	Men don't fucking send women you don't know money.
	Like, come on, guys, don't.
	You need to watch Barbie.
	Like, you really need to watch Barbie.
	No, fuck that.
	How does that relate to this topic of sending money to someone you don't know?
	Have you guys seen that?
	He's talking about the future.
	I've seen Barbie.
	How is it related to it?
	What does that have to do with the money?
	It doesn't have to do with the money, but he's talking about how women have life on easy mode.
	If you watch Barbie.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, yeah, but Barbie is female privilege.
	I don't need to hear another woman explain to me how hard her life is, but when I hear someone sit here and tell me that they paid their rent with somebody else's money, I can just look at that and decide.
	I don't need to hear somebody on a movie tell me how bad my life is as a woman.
	No, I sorry, I don't care about that movie.
	There definitely is female privilege.
	Like people talk about why male privilege, I don't think that's a thing.
	But like female privilege, like I have my car, I got like flat tires, whatever, broken down on the side of the road multiple times since moving to California.
	And I like realized I'm so glad that I'm a young female because people actually stop and help me.
	And if I was a man, people would not help me.
	That's true.
	Also, just to add on to your point when it comes to, was it mostly men stopping to help you with your car?
	Yes.
	So when it comes to male intervention, women, if you're out in public, you basically have, let's say you're at a party type environment.
	Let's say you're just not even a party type environment.
	Let's say you're walking in a shopping mall.
	You basically, as a woman, have male bodyguards.
	Do you?
	Like, not every man will intervene.
	However, let's say, for example, a guy is attacking you physically.
	Other men who don't know you, who have no relationship to you, who are not your siblings or your brother or your boyfriend, total strangers, owe you nothing.
	If they see someone attacking you, say a man's attacking you, they will intervene on your behalf and not just try to stop the fight.
	There'll probably be a group of men, a horde of men, who will beat the shit out of the dude.
	Yeah, because biology.
	Whereas as men, if we're, even if it's an unfair situation, if three dudes are fucking us up, if three dudes are like, no other men are going to intervene on our behalf.
	So women basically have that additional privilege of you basically have free bodyguards when you're out in public.
	Yeah, debatable.
	Okay, debatable.
	Because it's also been that men tend to be.
	I've seen men intervening.
	I don't know about that.
	Look at the monster.
	It's also a lot of men getting jumped.
	No, that's not a problem.
	That's all about the camera phones and just pros and cons about stuff on that side.
	There's this famous, there's actually this famous clip where it's from like some Indian TV show, very old.
	I don't know if this is a perfect example.
	Nick, we're not going to Google it, but a woman slaps a man, and it's on a TV show.
	A woman slaps a man.
	He slaps her back.
	All the men that were behind the scenes, like 20 dudes, it's like the, how could she slap?
	This is like, this was an internet meme.
	He's like, how could she slap?
	Slaps her back, right?
	She slaps him.
	He slaps her back.
	Look, I don't think you should hit anybody.
	However, if you hit somebody, you should be prepared to be hit back.
	Instigating is something, yes, I agree with that part.
	So all the men, despite the fact that they all saw her slap him first, that guy got the shit kicked out of him by like 20 dudes.
	So there's something in men that it's like this protection thing where if they see a woman like being hit by a man, they're going to intervene on your behalf.
	Total strangers.
	So that's another privilege.
	Yeah.
	No, I mean, it's like pros and cons because I am more vulnerable.
	So when I'm stuck on the side of the road and I have a flat tire and I know how to change a flat tire, but I like there's situations, I got a flat in my spare tire.
	Anyway, and there's like, and I don't have cell service.
	I really need help.
	I have been very fortunate that everyone who stopped was very nice and had good intentions, but you never know.
	You never know what their intentions are.
	And I am more vulnerable.
	Pros and cons.
	But why should I watch the Barbie movie?
	Explain it to me.
	Explain it to me.
	There's a specific scene in the Barbie movie where one of the characters gives a monologue about kind of the societal standards that women are subject to.
	And personally, it really aligned with me and, like, how I go through life.
	And, like, I kind of realized that women, like, it's a lot to get into right now.
	We can get into it.
	Go ahead.
	No, I don't know if I want to, but like, I just think that that movie really puts it in perspective for men to like understand what we go through as women that you might not understand.
	Well, try to explain it to me.
	I don't have time to watch it now, but if you can, give me a 30-second, one-minute- Sure, we have the privilege.
	Okay, it doesn't mean I'm trying to, I'm trying to understand here.
	I'm trying to understand, please, if you can.
	Okay, try to articulate it.
	I can't get any words out.
	So, okay, yeah, we do have this privilege in some ways, but also, like, as a woman, I feel like I can't walk alone at night because something might happen to me.
	And before I have you continue, can we just address that specific one really quick?
	Q, do you have anything on this?
	Because do you want to come in on that?
	The feeling that she at night she is more likely to be a victim of violent crime.
	Yeah, because if I walk alone at night, I'm more likely to be a victim of violent crime.
	So even though I think it's the case that women might feel more vulnerable, the reality is if you look at crime statistics, men are more likely to be victims of violent crime.
	Okay, but I mean, how, like, what statistics?
	Like, where are these coming from, first of all?
	Department of Justice, various crime statistics.
	You have to see those statistics, but it's true.
	Men are more likely to be victims of violent crime.
	Okay, sure, it's true.
	Burglar, murder, assault.
	Okay.
	What about getting, because I think something that I fear is like not only violent crime.
	SA?
	Are you talking about getting kidnapped?
	Yeah, getting sex trafficked.
	That's like my best friend.
	Men using their privilege.
	To be honest, as a full-grown woman, you're not the biggest priority to be sex trafficked or kidnapped.
	But primarily just so we're not getting into TOS.
	Let's stay away from trafficking.
	But your biggest fear is to be trafficked.
	So your biggest fear is to be abducted and then shipped to some Latin American country.
	Like is that genuinely?
	When you say trafficking means cities like Roseville, like Roseville.
	Roseville.
	It's very close to there.
	Yeah, it's near Sacramento.
	There's a lot more trafficking that goes on that we even know about.
	But like, isn't that typically like some they bring in a woman from overseas?
	Yeah, it's usually children and immigrants that are victims.
	I will say what it has to adult women.
	It's people in that area.
	It's a lot of people come in.
	Are women on a mass, like American women getting abducted?
	It's not common, but it happens.
	It happens.
	It's very, a very real thing.
	So I used to work with an organization that actually fought to rescue victims of that for several years.
	So one in six individuals that you know, one out of six people that you know either know someone or is a victim of human trafficking.
	Wait, hold on.
	Just let's go into that.
	One in six people of who you know or in the sense of like you know someone or you know someone who knows someone.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, that's a bullshit.
	Just on its face, that's the most, that's such fucking bullshit.
	How can you know somebody who knows somebody?
	What kind of statistics is that?
	Give me the percentage risk.
	Yeah, but what does it, I know somebody who knows, why are they taking statistics on I know somebody who knows somebody who was a victim of a crime.
	That's just you're trying to use words to paint things in a certain way.
	What is the actual likelihood of someone in the United States being trafficked?
	I'd have to bring back the stats just because it's been a couple years to get the exact piece.
	The highest rate for where trafficking happens, though, is the victims are actually brought here.
	U.S.
	But do you see how disingenuous I can't speak?
	Disingenuous.
	Disingenuous it is to use language.
	One in six people.
	Mike Davis donated $100.
	You don't blame the kid for being a brat.
	You blame the parents.
	I don't blame women.
	They don't know any better.
	I blame this new generation of low-T, beta, sissy, bonehead men for allowing this.
	I'll become an African dictator to show you how it's done.
	Okay, thank you very much, Mike Davis.
	Appreciate it.
	He's going to be an African dictator.
	I do think it's like you're using language in a way to one in six people know somebody or they're one in six people have either been trafficked or know somebody who has.
	Yes.
	That's such a weird way of one in six people eats candy or knows somebody who eats candy.
	That's just like a weird framing of a statistic.
	I mean, it's just the way that I framed it right now, but it's one of those things as far as like how it is a lot more prevalent than what most people think, and most people are trafficked by someone they know.
	That's what most people don't realize.
	It's not necessarily people coming from India or Vietnam and being brought to the country.
	Yeah, that happens a lot, but you'd be surprised at how many people are actually in the U.S.
	I would say one is one too many.
	And it is a thing that happens.
	Yes, of course, it's a terrible thing.
	I don't know the statistics.
	It might not be like, obviously, it's not as prevalent here, but it does happen.
	It is a real thing.
	And as women are.
	It's actually the biggest business in the United States of America.
	And that's funny you say it's not as prevalent here.
	Okay.
	The biggest thing is that.
	Here, let's bring it back to this.
	We're moving on.
	But they're also citizens.
	Hold on.
	So you mentioned the Barbie movie.
	What are some of the other things?
	Other what?
	What are some of the struggles that women have?
	If I watch the Barbie movie, I would be enlightened to the plight of women.
	Okay.
	Well, first of all, like the beauty standard and kind of just like traditional values that men like and like, like you were just saying, like you have to be you should be a virgin if like that's your type or whatever.
	That's your type.
	Low body count.
	Whatever you said, okay.
	Like these standards, like it just, it's just not like healthy.
	And like, I don't know.
	I just.
	What's not healthy?
	Like having, like, putting women to these standards.
	I just.
	So men are not allowed to have preferences, standards, and boundaries.
	That's not what I'm saying, but it's just interesting that a large majority of men have these standards.
	So would you hold your kids to standards at all?
	Like, does that matter to you, your children having morals and standards?
	Well, yeah.
	What?
	But why would a man not be allowed to want a woman to have morals and standards?
	Why is that so wrong?
	What are the standards that men have that you object to?
	The body count thing, men should not be able to, if a woman slept with 300 people, men should just tolerate that?
	Okay, that's unrealistic.
	But, no, that's not what I'm saying.
	Like, I'm...
	Okay.
	It's just interesting that we have to live up to these standards that are like, and for what is basically what I'm thinking.
	Like, it just, it's a lot of pressure on women.
	That's not the only thing.
	That's like, actually.
	Wouldn't you say that women are more pickier and more selective than men are?
	So there's actually a greater pressure on men when it comes to the menu.
	I don't know if women are more picky.
	Women are just naturally more selective than men because of it's just biological.
	I have a question.
	Do you think it would be better for little girls across America to not be held to any standards growing up?
	Like no standards for like, you know, how they carry themselves, how they act in public, who they, you know, like do you think that would be better for society if little girls then going into women had no standards to be held to?
	I mean, not necessarily.
	It depends on the standards, but yeah, I guess.
	You're talking about the primary.
	Are you talking about like unrealistic standards like a lot of unrealistic standards on women?
	Yeah.
	Like body, the body count thing is like, if I could say, like the body count thing, that's not really like the main one.
	It's like the way you look like having you have to like slim waist, big boobs, big butt, all these like things that women feel that they have to be like in order for a man to like them.
	And like living under the male gaze and things like that, that's what's just the buzzwords, the male gaze.
	See, any sort of like it's so interesting to me that basically like Male sexuality is pathologized.
	Like if men are looking in your direction, you basically just want to pathologize and almost criminalize.
	Actually, in the UK, in the United Kingdom, they attempted to criminalize staring.
	I'm not saying the male gaze like that I'm saying what is the male gaze okay The guy looking at you?
	Okay, I'll explain.
	that's not what it is there's the female gaze which is like women typically like men who are like really strong or like that like they live in they like like these certain things about men That's like living under the female gaze.
	If like you are doing a certain thing to yourself in order to please a woman.
	So for women, it's like doing things that you like to yourself so that you can please a man.
	Can I ask you something?
	Do you think women actually amplify the pressure that they put on themselves?
	And I say that because you just talked about trying to live up to a standard.
	You notice other women with big boobs.
	You notice the women in magazines.
	You notice the women on social media and everything like that.
	You're comparing yourselves to those women.
	You still get approached by men, right?
	Men still find you attractive.
	So if men still find you attractive, if men still come your direction, then what is it that you, what makes you insecure?
	You're doing it to yourself.
	Yeah, you mentioned there's this pressure on women to have thin waists, big boobs, big asses.
	That's the pressure on themselves.
	Didn't you say earlier you're currently dating like three or four men?
	I don't know.
	Okay, you have a roster of three or four men?
	Or is that your friend?
	I don't know.
	No, that was me.
	Are you struggling to get men?
	Not particularly.
	Do you think you need to modify anything about you to attract men?
	I mean, you said you were a 10, right?
	Yes, but there have been times where I felt like, and still.
	There you go.
	You just said it.
	What?
	You just said it.
	There have been times where I felt like.
	I felt like I had to act a certain way, look a certain way in order for a man to like me.
	But that told you to outline.
	That was told me too, but that's how it is in our society.
	And you mentioned unrealistic body standards, etc.
	Who do you think is more picky when it comes to dating men or women?
	Well, it's personal.
	I mean, I went to an all-girls school, like I said, for seven years.
	So it's kind of like, I don't really know.
	Like, I honestly don't know because of that.
	Well, who do you think?
	If you had a ballpark, you think men are more selective or women are more selective?
	Well, I guess it's difficult to say because I think women get approached by men more so they can reject men more or like.
	So if they reject men more, don't you think there would be more criteria for them men have to meet?
	Do you think there's more?
	Do you think there's more criteria men have to meet to attract women or vice versa?
	I guess women are, I don't know.
	It's impossible for her to acknowledge that men in, that men are somehow at a deficit in one realm of human endeavor.
	No, I recognize that men struggle for reasons.
	Well, let's keep it to the body thing, right?
	So, okay.
	You said that when it comes to appearance, that there's this like expectation that women have to live up to of like a certain body type.
	And because of the Barbie movie, I didn't see the Barbie movie, but I guess it touched on it in the movie that women have it harder when it comes to body types.
	Just living in society.
	Just living in society.
	Do you think that that same pressure exists for men?
	Yes.
	Now, here's my hot, I don't think it's a hot take, but here's my position.
	I would actually argue that depictions of aspirational bodies for men are far harder to attain than what you see of women.
	So the aspirational body type for a man is far harder than the aspirational body for a woman.
	For the average person, probably.
	Yeah.
	Well, like, it depends on the person and their body.
	Well, the other thing I would add to, let me ask, do you care about a man's height?
	Would you want to care about height?
	Not, maybe not as much as other women I've heard.
	What's your ideal height for a guy?
	You're 5'1, right?
	Yeah.
	Ideal height for a guy?
	Like, I guess like 5'7.
	Okay.
	Would you date it?
	Would you want to date a guy who's like 5'2 ⁇ ?
	Probably not.
	Probably not.
	It depends on who they are.
	If they're a really good guy, we'll have to see.
	Sure.
	Do you like really skinny guys?
	Like who have no muscles?
	Do you like a muscular guy?
	Not like super like bodybuilder, gigantic steroids.
	You like some muscles.
	But it's not going to be like a deal breaker.
	Do you like fat guys?
	What?
	Like, what?
	Don't worry.
	I'm getting somewhere.
	Go ahead.
	Fat. Obese.
	It's like the scissors.
	Big boys are better.
	Just go ahead.
	I guess it's not really my type.
	I've never been into a guy that is like that.
	Do you have any pre, like when it comes to race or skin color, do you have any preferences there?
	Not.
	Okay.
	So what I would argue, let me ask, if a guy's lacking in the bulge, is that deal breaker?
	No.
	Don't care?
	Okay, that's fine.
	Would you prefer a guy, like if a guy was balding, would that kind of be a turnoff or unattractive?
	Well, I'm 18, so like.
	Some guys start balding early.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I mean, it's not like.
	Let's say think forward to 25, some of the men in your age cohort are going to start losing their hair.
	I would prefer want them to be balding, but like if they were, if I really love them, like would you, generally speaking, like do you find men who are not balding more physically attractive?
	Yeah, yes.
	Most women do.
	So, I mean, kind of going on this whole thing of, well, the body expectations of women are like really intense and there's so much to work up to, I would actually argue that for men, it's way harder.
	Because of the things that both men and women, we judge each other for, there are far more things that men can, that are outside of men's control that women judge men for.
	So height, penis size, physical size.
	If they're losing their hair, that's a big thing for a lot of women.
	A lot of women don't like that.
	I'm not saying men are not subject to societal standards.
	I'm just saying that women have to disavow.
	Yeah, a bit.
	No, no, not a bit.
	Like, they do have it worse, that's my opinion.
	And I think that like the whole thing with bodies and like the beauty standard, like that's not even half of what's wrong with society.
	Sure, there's more.
	But just speaking specifically on the body thing.
	That's like the one like topic that men kind of like are equal.
	I agree with you that it's women who kind of did that to themselves because if you look if you look at it really when that body started to become trending, it was when the Kardashians did it.
	That's when everybody wanted the small waist, the big boobs, the big ass.
	So it's like women, we did that to ourselves by making that attractive popular, by praising those women, by giving them all of our attention and money.
	And then now guess what?
	It's not a trend anymore and all of them are getting their BBs removed and now we're admiring being skinny again.
	It's like we create these standards for ourselves.
	But it's not really women actually about.
	Well, it's not really like women specifically who are like doing that.
	I think men also are the ones who are praising it, and it's not just women.
	You cannot argue that a woman could creating anything.
	I don't know.
	A woman getting surgery on her own body is her only decision.
	That's not a man's decision.
	That is literally men.
	Can't blame it on anybody else.
	Like, in some ways, men created some of the standards that are for women.
	Well, look, it's not just women.
	Sorry to disappoint you.
	It's not just women who created at all.
	Yes, but men like, okay.
	Men are attracted to women with big breasts.
	Like, men are attracted to women with big asses.
	there are some men who just have a big titty fetish whatever like that's i think that's really not gonna be first off you don't want to be with a guy that doesn't like you the way you are Obviously, you should take good care of yourself.
	You should be in good shape.
	You should have good hygiene, etc.
	But like, if I think, I think you've spoken on this cue, and we have Nick over here.
	Like, you have three men sitting in front of you.
	Earlier, I said, I don't like women with plastic surgery.
	I don't, I even said, it's not even like, I really want a girl with fake, with big boobs.
	I said, I would prefer a girl with small boobs.
	I'd prefer a girl with a low belly than lipo belly.
	I'd prefer a girl with small upper lip than lip fillers.
	I'd prefer a girl with like a smaller ass than with a BBL.
	And Q, I don't know about you, but you're not a fan of plastic surgery.
	I'm not a fan of any alterations.
	So you got three guys here that aren't really into plastic surgery.
	And the majority of men could think like that too, but it's just as women, we have praised these women, the famous ones that do it so much.
	We think, oh, that's what I have to do.
	I have to look like them.
	I need to be like them.
	I need to get the money like them.
	All the men will like me like they like them, but it's like most, but like most men, like you said, don't actually care about that.
	They don't actually like that.
	But we see the famous women doing that, and it's what we admire, and we want to be like them.
	Refined underscore Randy donated $99.
	Are men or women lacking more nowadays?
	In terms of husband slash father and wife slash mother, and explain your take.
	Bring back Chase, Mary, and Josie Ann on the same panel.
	Hashtag ChristIsKing.
	Amen.
	Yo, Randy, thank you very much, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Are men or women lacking more nowadays?
	I mean, I think both men and women are...
	I'm not trying to play a blame game here where it's like just...
	I think both men are lacking and I think women are lacking.
	I think we both got to level up.
	Did you want to finish your point really quick or did you kind of have it?
	I don't remember.
	That's fine.
	I finished.
	Can I add something?
	I do think that it is a lot harder for men because us women put the expectation on things that men cannot physically change besides maybe like working out.
	Okay, but like in terms of like penis size and like height, that's something us women put up the pressure on men for.
	On the other hand, us women, we're the ones who willingly choose to scroll on social media and compare ourselves to other girls.
	Like the guy said, guys will praise anything.
	Yes.
	And that's kind of what I was saying earlier is that when it comes to like judging other people just on a purely physical basis in terms of what we find attractive physically in the opposite sex, again, my position would be women have far more criteria when it comes to physical attractiveness for men that are completely outside of men's control.
	Height, penis size, balding, sexual stamina, sexual function, a lot of these things are totally outside of men's control.
	Whereas like what the big thing I'd say with women is weight and that's within your control.
	Men don't really care about your height.
	Women don't really bald, so that's not a factor.
	So when it comes to hair, that's totally not a factor with women.
	This is going to be kind of vulgar.
	Loose pussy is not nearly as prevalent as men with like average or below average penis size.
	That's it.
	Plus Kegels, you can fix that shit.
	Just saying.
	Okay, I didn't mean to take it there.
	To answer the super chat, I think that the sexual revolution is screwing all of us over or has screwed us all over.
	Also on the physical front, I would argue that physical disability is a far bigger disadvantage for men than it is for women.
	Isn't it sad we're only talking about physical appearance though and not who people actually are?
	I mean, physical attraction is huge.
	Why should that be said?
	Why did she wind it up?
	She brought it up.
	Here, let me just finish my point here.
	Physical disability, far bigger disadvantage for men.
	So sexual function for men with spinal cord injuries, fucked.
	Whereas a woman, you can still, I mean, you can still fuck, I guess.
	I would argue a woman in the wheelchair could get laid far easier than a man in a wheelchair.
	I'd say she could get laid more easily than an able-bodied dude.
	Why could she run away?
	Also, males who are not neurotypical are going to struggle far more than women when it comes to dating too.
	So there's a whole bunch of things.
	Is there anything else from the Barbie movie, though, that you wanted to?
	Okay, the Barbie movie was just an example.
	I think everyone should watch the clip of the woman.
	I don't know what part it was in, but she's explaining like the struggles that women go through.
	Anyway, but that's like appearance and all that is really not like the biggest thing.
	It's also like the wage gap when women are work, like women work in the same field as a man and a man gets paid more.
	is that about and just the wage gap's been debunked A million times.
	Yeah.
	It doesn't exist.
	Yeah.
	Did they mention the wage gap in the movie?
	I think they did, but I don't really remember exactly.
	There's not a wage gap.
	There's an earnings gap.
	And the earnings, but like it's a very, you basically, the whole like trope of women make 75 cents to a dollar.
	The number is always changing.
	That doesn't account for like dozens of different factors.
	It's basically comparing all the money that men make and all the money that women make in this country without factoring in people that don't work.
	Hours work.
	Hours work.
	Overtime.
	Overtime.
	It's also type of profession.
	It just, it's across the board.
	Also, if a woman takes time off of maternity leave, so say you decide to stay at home and raise your kid for two, three years, you are two or three years behind in your career.
	Like that is a factor you have to face.
	And as far as the Barbie movie, it does talk about like, because I did see it, and I actually do like the monologue that she says.
	I do think it has this idea of everyone is held to such a high expectation that's not achievable, and they're shamed when they can't even get near it.
	It's like if someone's overweight and they're working out in the gym, people make fun of that person, but that person's trying to better themselves in that.
	And for women, I would say where we do struggle is we live in a society where it's, you know, we try to own our sexuality.
	We try to do this, and then we're criticized and crucified by public if we don't.
	Or if we do.
	And then at the same time, it's like if we're this qui-shy girl, it's something that people don't necessarily always think is the most appealing thing.
	Or if you're the plain Jane, it's like an insult for people.
	But I would say it's both sides, because if you don't like a girl, and I've called some friends out for this, looks aren't everything.
	You should really get to know a person.
	But why is it that when a woman makes an insult to another woman, the first thing she comments is her looks?
	Because women are more aware of each other than anybody else.
	And that's what I just say.
	Women are petting part of the problem.
	Intersexual competition.
	It's intersexual competition.
	Actually, isn't the first insult a woman's gonna say to another woman is she's a slut?
	Yeah, that is true.
	So, intrinsic awareness of body count.
	Can I quickly add one more thing?
	Sure.
	I remembered in the monologue, it says, like, if you're too skinny, well, like, you're not good enough.
	If you're, and then if you, like, gain weight, you're not good enough.
	It's like, you can never add, like, you can never be good enough in the middle.
	It's just like, it's just untrue.
	It's just untrue.
	Like, no, okay.
	Putting it simply, of course, like, you can be good enough.
	But it's like in this world that we live in with all these standards, like, physically, sometimes you can't, like, live up to, like, the perfect standard.
	You can't live up to the perfect standard.
	Well, that just comes down to acknowledging that you're not perfect.
	Yeah, there's hundreds of different standards.
	Everybody else has a different standard of like what they want somebody else to be.
	But to continue to compare yourself is just putting yourself further and further back of being eventually competent and like having that, like you don't need to compare yourself to other people.
	And if a woman's like struggle, I just, I feel like to base struggles for women solely to appearance is kind of disrespectful.
	Like, I think, well, but that's kind of all you've been mentioning is appearance and a wage gap that doesn't exist.
	When I would say like the biggest struggle women face is people saying that you can just become a woman.
	That's, in my opinion, the biggest struggle women face is you can just put on some tits and makeup and be one of us.
	But yeah, I don't believe in that.
	And I think that's the biggest struggle we face.
	I agree.
	I mean, I respect that.
	But while we're on the subject of appearances and attraction, can I say something real quick?
	Really quick.
	Okay, so I think I have a different take.
	So I think that men are a lot more visual and women are a lot more emotional.
	So yes, men will be looking for that physical attraction a lot more.
	And you said like women also, but I think like personally and a lot of my friends that I know, like we don't really, like if a guy has a good personality, that's what we find attractive.
	Looks are kind of like secondary.
	But you have to actually get to know that person in person.
	So like on a dating app, you know, I just see like a balding guy and I'm like, oh, swipe left, whatever.
	But then if I were to like meet that same guy in person and he had a very charming personality, then maybe I wouldn't mind that he was balding.
	There's a lot of people who are not.
	I mean, you can say that, and look, there is something to be said that men are a little more visually focused.
	Women are a bit more personality.
	But I would actually argue that looks are very important to both.
	And again, like my position would be is women are actually far pickier than men when it comes to physical appearance because there's so many things that women care about that are absolutely out of the control of men.
	Height, penis size, physical size.
	Like for example, I think the men find a far wider range of body types appealing.
	Like you've got thick, you've got skinny, you've got fit.
	Whereas like a skinny guy, like I would say if you look at a woman who's skinny, well, skinny can mean different things to different people.
	But a woman who's has no gym training, who's not an athlete, an 18-year-old woman could just be exist and have an attractive body.
	But like most women, an 18-year-old guy who isn't an athlete or doesn't have some degree of muscular development, like just a straight up skinny dude, that's not attractive to most women.
	So I think there's a far narrower, narrower range that men can fall into to be deemed physically attractive.
	I mean, I actually want to go around the table on this really quick.
	What percentage of men that you see on dating apps or that you see in real life do you find physically attractive?
	Like what percentage would you say you find physically attractive?
	Probably like 50.
	Like maybe like 60% of them.
	Wow, okay.
	What about you?
	60% of the men you find physically attractive?
	50, 60.
	Okay, what about you?
	Well, it's kind of like, like, explain a little bit more.
	Here, here's the difference.
	the dating app right because obviously like if you're out in the streets you're gonna see people that are outside your age cohort Let's say on dating apps, right?
	What percentage of men do you swipe yes on?
	I don't have any data.
	Okay, what about you?
	15%.
	15%?
	What about in the street?
	How many, what percentage of men do you find physically attractive?
	I'd say like 35.
	Okay, what about you?
	That's a really hard question.
	I feel like mine would be like 15, 20.
	15, 20?
	Okay.
	I'm low.
	It's maybe like 5%.
	5%?
	Yeah, you pick, yeah, I can tell you.
	Same.
	I would say very low because when I look at somebody, I usually don't think most people are attractive, but for me, it's very like if I'm emotionally attracted to you, then I will become physically attracted to you as well.
	Same, yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm not on any dating apps, but on the street, it's very low.
	Maybe 10.
	But like, you could have, like, in my case, like, you could have like perfect body, whatever, and I still won't find you attractive because I don't know your personality, just saying.
	Also, I do gotta get going.
	It is a little bit more.
	Yeah, we're gonna wrap up here in just a sec.
	We'll wrap up here in just a sec.
	So you said 10%?
	Yeah, on the street, because I don't have dating apps.
	So you find 10% of men physically attractive?
	It's very rare for me.
	Lynn, what about you?
	When I was on dating apps, I was probably swiping right on, like 10%.
	Okay.
	Can I add something?
	Sure.
	Putting it in the perspective of like in a classroom like at my school, I feel like I would think like 50% of the boys in my classroom are attractive.
	So just that's where my reasoning is.
	sure sure um so i mean five percent you said even a really muscular like a 10 out of 10 and like i still won't find them attractive Because like I don't like, I don't know, I have like a specific type.
	Like, okay, maybe like, I don't know, 2% if like somebody like really catches my eye, but like when girls in middle school like drooling over the guys in magazines, I'm just like, I don't know, I don't see it.
	That's just a lot of fun.
	I'm like that too.
	Like if you're too attractive, I will not go near.
	I think a lot of girls though.
	Yeah, like if you're too hot, like it makes you less hot.
	If you're really hot, it makes you less hot?
	Like conventionally attractive men, like I don't find them attractive.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Was there anything else with the Barbie movie?
	Was there patriarchy?
	Was it?
	I don't remember though.
	I think everyone should watch the monologue.
	And yeah, that's what I'm going to say.
	I want to come back to something you really said, or you said.
	You said that the biggest thing that's facing women is what was it?
	People putting on a costume and trying to be us.
	Claire, do you have anything on that?
	I mean, obviously, I don't agree with it.
	I don't know what else to say.
	I mean, that's just what you think.
	And I don't think that same way, but.
	Yeah, multiple people don't agree with that.
	But I mean, it's just like a matter of fact, it doesn't matter what you put or wear in your body.
	If you're a biological male, you'll never be a female or a woman.
	So, I mean, you can dress up like one.
	Like, you can dress up like a mime, but it's the same thing.
	It's a costume.
	Okay, but a mime dresses up for a performance.
	That's also the same thing in my life.
	You think it's a performance?
	Yeah.
	You don't think it's genuinely how they feel in their core?
	I think most of the time.
	Which way?
	No.
	No, no, no.
	That way.
	Scooter.
	Closer towards you?
	No, no, no, not you.
	Sorry.
	The microphone was, her face was blocked.
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	Oh, I think you were in the middle of talking or was it?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, I do absolutely think it's a performance.
	And I think that most of these times these people are assigned an affirming therapist.
	They're not actually looking into anything deeper into their life.
	They're just saying, oh, okay, you think you're a woman?
	All right.
	Here's some hormones.
	Here's some sexual reassignment surgery.
	Here's a way to make me and my company somehow.
	I'm pretty sure they have to do a psychological evaluation before.
	No, not really.
	There's so many.
	You should really look into stories of people talking to private journalists.
	People who have transitioned, come back years later that sue their parents and their doctors for letting them.
	Okay, so you're talking about children.
	Let's talk about adults.
	Because that's a completely different subject.
	But the entire world isn't on that page with you where they like to lump them into each other.
	So the rest of the country doesn't believe that there's a distinction between that.
	They think that children have everybody.
	And because half the country doesn't think that way means I shouldn't think that way.
	No, this is my opinion.
	We're talking about my opinion, right?
	So my opinion is that you cannot wear a costume and become somebody else's gent.
	I don't think no matter how many breasts a man puts on, no matter how many hormones he takes, no matter how many dresses he wears, he's never going to be a woman.
	He'll never have my experience as a woman.
	And he'll never be able to have children or procreate or be a mother like a woman.
	So it offends you when someone identifies as a woman.
	And why does it offend you?
	It offends me because you're trying to be me and you're not me.
	They're not trying to be you.
	They don't want to be you.
	They don't want to be women.
	No.
	So why does it offend you?
	Because they're not trying to be you.
	It offends me because the country can't distinct with the fact that you can be a cow.
	That's fine.
	Do whatever you want.
	But you're not going to, I'm not done talking.
	So you can be a cow, do whatever you want, but I don't think it's right to let biological men live in sororities with other females.
	I don't think it's right to let them into bathrooms with other females.
	I don't think it's right to let them play sports with females and win against them.
	I think that's wrong.
	So when nobody else likes to distinctualize that with just being a woman, yeah, there's a bigger conversation that needs to be had.
	Okay, sure.
	I agree with Emily.
	Okay, I think there's a very important distinct.
	Okay, should we wrap up?
	Are we going over time?
	It's okay.
	We'll talk about it for a bit, then I'll wrap up.
	Okay, okay, cool.
	Yeah, I don't want to take up all your time.
	No, that's good.
	Go ahead.
	I have one last question afterwards, and then we're done.
	Okay, guys, we'll get out of here soon.
	This shit's getting deep.
	Yeah, I was just going to say, I think there's an important distinction, and I was watching a video on this the other day and agree with important distinction between people who are doing it because it's a trend and then people who are genuinely trans.
	And I think people who are doing it as a trend ruin the representation of actual trans people and the image of actual trans people who feel like, I'm not comfortable in my body.
	I don't think this is the body I was supposed to be born in.
	Right.
	You know?
	Right.
	But I believe that's a mental illness, and I believe that needs to be looked at a lot deeper and not just reaffirmed into, okay, yeah, take this surgery, take these hormones, and potentially ruin your life.
	I think we're doing those people with gender dysphoria a huge disservice because it is a very serious surgery.
	And I find it personally offensive because they talk about like, oh, if you're transgender, you can get this like big surgery.
	And when I, like, as a woman for like endometriosis, which is like a women's issue, I needed surgery, which is a minimally invasive surgery.
	They wouldn't give it to me in the United States.
	I had to go out of the country.
	And then even when it comes to abortion, they say, oh, it's a woman's right, women's healthcare, whatever.
	No, they don't care about women's health and they don't care about women's right because they didn't give, or they don't care about women's choice because they didn't give me the choice to get the treatment that is the closest thing that we have to a cure.
	They said, no, here, go on birth control pills.
	And I said, absolutely not.
	I'm not going to take birth control pills for the rest of my life.
	And yeah.
	But what does that have to do with trans people?
	It's all related.
	It's all related.
	They talk about like, like, I just find it very offensive because one or two people aren't going to be aware of that.
	Trans people can get surgery so easily.
	I couldn't get surgery, and then also earlier abortion is like a side note, it's all related.
	Like they say they care about women, but they don't.
	Okay.
	Here's a question.
	I'm going to try to fuse that into the dating thing.
	Do you think it's wrong for a man to not want to date a trans woman?
	Do I think it's here?
	When it okay.
	I don't think it's necessarily wrong, especially when it comes to like the sexual aspect, because there might be a guy that's like, okay, let me try this relationship with a trans woman who may still have male biological body parts.
	For some people, they might just not be able to get over that hump, which is like, I feel like is understandable.
	So yeah, I think, again, it all comes to preference and standard.
	What about if they got the surgery to change, but I still couldn't get over that part?
	So they had a gender reassignment surgery.
	Well, what's the term?
	I don't know.
	Bottom surgery?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Would that also be?
	Would you object to that?
	Like, oh, I don't want to be with someone who has the, what's it called?
	The inverted.
	I don't know what it's called.
	The gender reassignment surgery.
	No, there's a term for the medical term.
	Bottom surgery.
	I don't know the medical term.
	Whatever, the surgery, right?
	Would you object to that?
	Do I object to that?
	Yeah, I mean, yeah, I probably would object to that.
	I mean, because that person's like a woman, and you say you're attracted to women, so.
	No, they're not a woman.
	In your opinion.
	Wait, is it really?
	Yeah, it's really.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	So, what were the four things that you said?
	One of them was children, right?
	Whoa, that's totally on.
	Hold on.
	That's not related.
	That's not related to what you just said.
	No, it is.
	Because children is one of the important things in a relationship.
	And if you meet someone, and if you really want kids, like if you want your own biological kids from your partner, so like to say, like, oh, even if you've, like, if you've transitioned, but you still won't date me, that's not fair.
	I mean, if someone really wants biological children, it is fair.
	Okay, then that's a standard.
	They say, I want a partner who can have biological children with me.
	Yeah, but like, the only person that said that is going to be someone who's trans.
	Your definition of woman is extremely different.
	My definition of a woman is someone with a uterus who can have children quickly.
	And I mean, some women can have children, and that's very sad, but they're still a woman because of every hormone in their brain, body, and every bone in their body is feeding.
	And it has to do with chromosomes.
	I want to come back to the whole dating, like trying to focus on dating.
	What is a woman?
	And I want to start with you.
	We'll go around the table.
	Great.
	A woman is someone who identifies as a woman.
	I don't really know.
	We'll let everybody finish.
	Go ahead.
	It's kind of like, I'm not really one side or the other side.
	It's like, I'm not against trans people.
	Never will be.
	I would say a woman is somebody who is capable to have children, but at the same time, people can also identify as a woman.
	I don't have a problem with that.
	Sure, you do you, but I truly know that I am a woman.
	I can have children.
	I get a period every month.
	Like, I, yeah.
	Well, I mean, I would also, I would just point out that there are women who are infertile, for example.
	They're still women, even though they can't have children.
	But go ahead.
	I want to clarify this because I don't want it to seem like, oh, I'm a woman today, but a man tomorrow.
	That's, to me, like I said, there's an important distinction, and to me, that's someone who's following it for the trend.
	To me, a woman is someone who identifies with it, and like that is.
	I identifies with what?
	Identifies as being a woman, but not just any day of the week that they feel like.
	It's part of their identity.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	An essential part.
	So what is a woman?
	You say, what is a woman?
	You accepted her answer.
	Why is that answer?
	Your answer is just what is a woman.
	Make sure I'm making sure I understand.
	A woman is a woman who identifies as a woman with some degree of continuity.
	So it's not just, okay, Monday I'm a man, Tuesday.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so there needs to be some continuity.
	It needs to be part of your identity.
	Like you genuinely feel like I do not feel like I was supposed to be born on the spot.
	So a woman is someone who identifies as a woman, essentially.
	Essentially.
	Okay, what about you?
	I think for a woman, it is someone.
	I don't even want to say, I want to say, I don't want to say can have children because there are women who can't have children.
	I still do identify those as women.
	I identify trans people as a trans woman because you have an entire different past than a woman who was born that way.
	And I think that's a big distinction.
	People are going to be a good person.
	I agree with that part for sure, yeah.
	Because I think it's, I do get upset sometimes when someone says I'm a woman, and it's because our experiences are different.
	I recognize a woman.
	If someone says I'm a trans woman and this is how I identify, I respect the hell out of that and the choices that they made, whether or not they make the surgery or not.
	But they have a completely different upbringing than mine.
	I would agree with that.
	It's sort of like when people say, I don't see color.
	That's kind of the problem.
	It's because you're not recognizing someone's background and what they had to do for where they're at.
	They have a completely different experience.
	I recognize that for sure.
	I mean, not to derail the conversation, but like, wasn't that Martin Luther King's whole thing?
	To be colorblind?
	Colorblind in a sense, but that's a whole nother can of worms.
	What about what is a woman?
	A woman, I don't think I really need to answer this.
	It's somebody who was born as a female and is a female today.
	It's pretty simple.
	A woman is a human person with two X chromosomes.
	Amy?
	A woman is someone with female chromosomes.
	You said XX, right?
	I was kind of confused with which one was X and X Y.
	Sure.
	But someone who's able to produce kids, someone who gets a period every single month with a vagina.
	Well, some women don't have periods.
	Lynn, what about you?
	A woman is someone with XX chromosomes.
	Okay.
	Q?
	A woman is an adult human female.
	That's also my definition.
	A woman is an adult human female.
	Okay.
	You're smiling, you're laughing at that.
	I'm just saying thumbs up, that's all.
	Yeah, I think I would agree with her on the trans woman topic.
	I would consider them trans women, not women, because there is a difference.
	A woman is an adult human-female, and now that everybody wants to say gender is a construct, they want to deconstructualize the entire society that we've lived in since we were the conception of humans.
	Literally, we have always gone by male-female genders.
	And now that everybody wants to diminish that and just, oh, what's a woman?
	What's a kid?
	We know what a woman is.
	A woman is an adult human female.
	You think you know what it is?
	Yeah, I know what it is.
	And I know that a lot of other people are confused.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So bringing it back to the dating thing, you said that you would object to somebody, if they've undergone bottom surgery, a guy not wanting to date a trans woman who has undergone bottom surgery, you would object to that.
	Yes.
	Can you articulate your reasoning and logic?
	I mean, what's the question?
	But it's, well, it's especially interesting because you said you're, you know, you're a virgin.
	You're saving yourself for the person you feel like you're going to marry.
	let's say somebody like you want to pursue someone long-term for a long-term relationship and have biological children with that person if you're a trans woman you are incapable of and that's why I was making that distinction earlier And like you said, not all women are fertile.
	Not all women can have sex.
	Why do you object to a man not wanting to have a relationship or have sex with a trans woman?
	Well, why wouldn't they?
	Well, I think first they would have to present their argument, like, why wouldn't they want to date it?
	What's the reason for not wanting to date a trans woman?
	People are allowed to have genitalia preference.
	But you said if they have bottom, that's not the same as a, I don't know what the fucking term for it.
	That's not the same as like a natural grown pussy.
	I don't know how to frame this, but.
	Yeah, you're not.
	Yeah, it's just hard to form a rebuttal when there's not like an initial.
	It's because you think everybody works on this.
	As somebody who has had sex at least one time.
	Once.
	If my penis was inverted, I don't know the fucking procedure.
	I don't know.
	First off, my understanding is that when they do the procedure, they have to take like lifetime antibiotics because you're essentially creating a wound into your cavity, your pelvic cavity or something.
	And it doesn't naturally lubricate.
	And the composition would be different.
	And I would just know, like, it ain't like.
	Am I going to get canceled for this?
	That's not pussy.
	I'm probably going to get canceled for this.
	Yeah, you probably will get canceled.
	All over TikTok tomorrow.
	No, but it's not like it's not.
	It's not the same.
	At all.
	It's just not the same.
	I'm not trying to hate on anybody.
	I have a genitalia preference for, I mean, we talked about the large labia shit, but that's another conversation.
	I have a genitalia preference for female pussy.
	I don't want male pussy.
	I want female pussy.
	I mean, when you put it that way, I feel like it's okay to have a preference.
	I don't know.
	I just think that there's ways around, like you said, it doesn't lubricate naturally.
	Okay, there's lube.
	Like, I don't know.
	I think there's ways around it.
	What if I want natural juice?
	Pussy juice.
	I want.
	I don't want to use KY jelly.
	I want a chick that's just.
	It's like a river.
	It's like the floodgates are opening.
	I mean, I guess, yeah, I think having a genitalia preference.
	That's fine.
	I've had preferences all day, and now that he wants to have a preference about someone's genitalia, it's an issue.
	I just said it's okay.
	Yeah, but it took him literally.
	It took him explaining to you that he wanted natural lube in a female vagina for you to understand it.
	Like, you see what I mean?
	Like, he had to break down.
	What we're talking about.
	So what is that supposed to mean?
	That not everybody has this blind view of gender like you do.
	I think you have the blind view.
	No, he had to just explain in very detail the difference between a man-made and natural vagina.
	No, I completely understood the difference.
	I said, what would be his objection to dating someone trans, and that's what he explained to me.
	And I said, it's difficult to form a rebuttal when there's no initial argument.
	I'm also just attracted to females.
	I'm not attracted to translating.
	I'm not attracted to males.
	I'm not attracted to males regardless of the drugs that they're ingesting and the plastic surgery that they've had.
	See, that's the other thing.
	You're like, I'm not into plastic surgery.
	There you go.
	But I'm just not, I'm not attracted to males.
	But it's okay.
	Can I ask you to talk about that?
	No, no, we're talking about sex.
	We're not talking about gender.
	We're talking about sex.
	I'm not a tax.
	No, no, no, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, I understand, like, this is a topic of conversation, and like, this is a podcast.
	Yeah.
	But, like, why does it matter so much?
	like why can't we just like let people do what they want to do like it's not like that's totally fine It's not.
	Yeah.
	But if we're having a conversation, if she's saying, you're a bigot for not wanting to sleep.
	And what?
	That's putting words in my mouth.
	That is some people's position.
	And you said earlier you object.
	You object to men who wouldn't want to sleep with a trans woman who's had bottom surgery.
	Yeah, but then after you explained your genomic, that's my position, right?
	Yeah, but he had to explain it for you to prove.
	But you object to that.
	Usually you'll have to explain things in order for other people to sleep.
	I don't understand.
	How are we in a crazy world where I need, as a man, a straight man, need to explain that I am only sexually attracted to females?
	Seriously, I don't think it matters to a lot of us.
	really don't care i think it's more of like please just admit that you are a biological male or female and just why should i why should people admit it I don't know.
	Because it's a fact.
	It doesn't matter.
	How does it change your mind?
	It doesn't matter on surface level, but when it gets into legislation and biological men being allowed into female prisons where now these female inmates are getting R-worded, that's when it's wrong.
	So yeah, it does matter.
	Female prisoners.
	But do you object to a guy not wanting to sleep with a trans woman?
	No.
	Actually, I'm not going to say anything, but you wouldn't what?
	I didn't say wouldn't.
	I didn't say wouldn't.
	You wouldn't sleep with a trans woman.
	I understand why you're not going to be able to do that.
	Men or women don't want to sleep with transgender people.
	That's just their preference, but yeah.
	Okay, final question on this.
	Brain work, you got it.
	we support is it let me do some chats I'll come back to it.
	Okay.
	And then I'm serious, guys.
	I know.
	We're going to wrap it up, right?
	Yo, W's in the chat for Nemesis and Michael Matroke IV.
	Bring back Chase.
	Oh, okay.
	That's a membership normal.
	Okay, okay.
	Let me do these last two chats.
	And I'm sorry, guys.
	I know we're going a little late here.
	We're going to wrap up right now.
	Men have to meet more criteria than women.
	Honestly, the more beers I down, the more my standards for women also fall.
	Eventually, the chick may weigh more than me.
	Fat, skinny, hot, and ugly, no shame.
	Hashtag slam pig.
	Okay, Cal Utronic.
	Okay, there you have it.
	We have GP here.
	Hey, man, thank you so much for the donation.
	It's coming in here in just a sec.
	It's women competing against women to keep up with the Kardashians, trying to reach what women feel is ideal, not what men think is ideal.
	I've yet to meet one dude that finds those ridiculous duck lips attractive.
	Major turn off.
	I guarantee you, like, when it comes to the fake lips.
	Anyone here had any?
	Have you had it?
	Oh, you're looking at me, but I've never had it?
	I've some filler.
	I've never had a film, but it's gone.
	I think if you ask most men, they'd say, I prefer, I don't like the lip filler stuff.
	Like, women, you do that for me.
	Like, you do that on your own.
	What about the men that will say, I'll pay for you to get this stuff on?
	Those guys are building.
	They're all degenerate.
	They're build-a-bear.
	Yeah, that's a no-go.
	Red flag, red flag.
	Straight up.
	Okay.
	Oh Christian believes in abortion?
	Mm-hmm.
	Yeah.
	We got some Christian ladies here.
	Do you object to her considering herself Christian, but she believes in abortion?
	Yes, well, like I said, the two Bible verses, I need you together in my mother's womb.
	And I think that, and the reason I am so pro-life, like very passionate about it, is because I know that it is an issue that really deeply affects God and really saddens him and grieves him because they are the most vulnerable.
	And whenever a group of people like that are being oppressed, God has big problems with that.
	Like if you go like read throughout the Bible, then it's always when people are being oppressed, that's what's closest to God's heart.
	And so like for that reason, because I'm a Christian, it's also like close to my heart.
	And so I'm out here like fighting the pro-life battle because of my Christian faith.
	Can I ask a question?
	Yeah.
	Do you think God's saddened by the amount of children in foster care right now?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Okay, then let's talk about that because most people who are getting abortions are people who can't afford to sustain a child's life.
	I don't think that that's a solution.
	I don't think killing an innocent life is a solution to a bad foster care.
	We have to consider what the child's life is going to.
	We have to consider the long-term consequences.
	I was in the foster system was not that bad.
	Okay, but that's your personal experience.
	I think instead of getting a chance in life, because then she's going to get into fostering.
	I do want to say anyway.
	Okay, go ahead.
	So with abortion, I view it as say you financially cannot take care of a child.
	You had something happen to you.
	Or in general, like sometimes things happen.
	It has to happen for reasons.
	Like you don't want to bring a kid out into the world and have them have a shit life.
	But at the same time, I also don't support women who go around and sleep around, don't care about anything, and then they get the abortion because they fucked up and started sleeping around.
	Yeah, don't use that.
	And didn't use protection, didn't care about their bodies for it.
	That's when I'm against it.
	Okay.
	I think instead of funding.
	Sorry.
	No, no, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	I'll wrap up after you finish.
	Instead of funding Planned Parenthood, I think all that money should go into the foster home system.
	And also, sorry, did you?
	Go ahead, Nago Fire.
	And also, I think a lot of the pro-choice arguments that I do here, although I understand there are some like, obviously, special circumstances about it.
	What I'm hearing from that argument is that I want to have sex freely without the consequences.
	And also, you're choosing to lay down and have sex with, you know, random strangers without considering all of that.
	If you do that to yourself, you are putting yourself in a position where you are going to get pregnant.
	And then you're killing something that could have been so amazing in your life with somebody who you love a lot.
	And also, please be careful with the people that you choose to sleep with.
	If that person, you don't think that could raise your child with you, do not sleep with them, please.
	And please don't complain about it later that they sometimes think about it.
	We'll have y'all back for a political debate on this.
	Last question, last question.
	M1 grand.
	Would any of the girls date a guy who legally owns a firearm?
	Just a yes or no?
	Absolutely.
	Please own a firearm.
	No.
	You wouldn't date a guy who owned a gun.
	It depends on the situation.
	You would.
	I would.
	I wouldn't date a guy who doesn't own a firearm.
	It'd be a requirement.
	Yes.
	Depends on the situation.
	Like you said, with personally, I'm not allowed to own a gun.
	I'm not allowed to own any of that because I am mentally ill.
	Whatever.
	I don't care about that.
	Oh, no.
	She's straight up.
	She'll never.
	Not never.
	I wouldn't even have to go.
	Not never.
	No, not never.
	I can, but they have to get me like you couldn't.
	But you said you wouldn't date a guy that owns a firearm.
	If he was like, if he, like, if I knew, like, it would not be a good idea to have that in the house with the, I know I could, like, handle it.
	Obviously, I'm not like gonna do anything, but with the person who has the gun, if I have a feeling that I can't really trust it, I wouldn't feel comfortable, especially if I have children.
	I really would not want a gun like in the house where it's like, because sometimes people put it in places where it's like accessible.
	Well, what if, I mean, it could be kept safe.
	Yeah, it just depends on the person.
	But if you, wouldn't you almost want it more if you had kids?
	Because then let's say there's a situation where there's a home invasion and it's you, your husband, your two kids.
	Three men break into your house.
	You don't know what they're about.
	Maybe you got some beefs with some people.
	I don't know.
	They're trying to break into your house.
	They could be on drugs.
	Maybe they're just trying to steal something.
	Maybe they want to inflict.
	They are violent.
	Who knows?
	In that situation, would you want your husband?
	Would you prefer your husband to not have a firearm?
	Well, yes, obviously.
	But I'm just saying sometimes with different circumstances, it's like, I don't know.
	It kind of worries me.
	Guns worry me.
	It worries me a little bit.
	Yeah.
	We won't linger on that too long.
	We got a wrap.
	I just, it was popped up, so I wanted to read it.
	Are we all caught up?
	Let me just make sure, double check we're caught up on.
	Oh, guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
	All right, let's see.
	I'm just double checking.
	got okay we got all our chats we're good we're good okay guys i'm going to those of you on twitch i'm going to send a raid to stay safe He's playing like a druid on hardcore or something.
	Okay, guys.
	Fuck, sorry.
	Hold on.
	I'm pulling on my fucking.
	Okay.
	Last call, guys.
	Hit the like button, please.
	On your way out, thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	Big thank you to the wonderful panel.
	Thank you for your patience here.
	I know we went a little late tonight.
	Thank you to all our chat mods.
	Any women who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram.
	We will be live again with a very good panel on Tuesday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Q will be joining us again, so be sure to tune in for that.
	Let me send the raid over on Twitch while I'm doing that.
	Any final thought really quick from anybody?
	Or?
	Thank you for having me.
	Yeah, thanks for having us.
	Thank you.
	It was a good panel.
	It was a good panel.
	We should all come back, like this entire group specifically.
	I'm down to have anybody here back.
	I thought it was a very good panel.
	I know some people, you know, we talked about politics.
	We talked about Barbie.
	We talked about man pussy.
	It's been all over the place.
	So if you guys want to come back, that'd be lovely.
	Okay, on Twitch, I'm sending you guys to StaySafe TV.
	Tell them whatever sent you.
	Thank you guys on Twitch.
	Okay, I think it's raiding now in just a sec.
	All right, guys.
	Once again, we'll be live again Tuesday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
	We'll see you next time.
	07's in the chat.
	Good night, guys.
	Oh, should we do body count really quick?
	Wait.
	One.
	Wait, pause.
	Really quick.
	What's your body count?
	Zero.
	Really?
	Yes.
	Really?
	They said it earlier.
	Why are you?
	No comment.
	Over 10?
	It's okay.
	No comment.
	Okay.
	Zero.
	I can count on one hand.
	I'll just say one hand.
	One.
	One.
	Three.
	30?
	Three.
	Oh, yeah.
	All right, cool, cool.
	Okay, there it is.
	All right, guys.
	07's in the chat.
	07's in the chat.
	Good night, guys.

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She Dated *50* Men In 50 Days?! | Dating Talk #105

She Dated 50 Men In 50 Days?! | Dating Talk #105