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May 19, 2023 - Whatever Podcast
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Dating Talk #75

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Thank you.
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Yeah, that's true.
That's Super Chats?
That's an endorsement right there.
Okay, I'm going to clip that.
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Well, that's, all right.
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If that's toxic as fuck, maybe we won't do it at the show.
I don't know.
Okay.
Can I mute your microphone?
Is that like a load on that?
It's plausible.
They could mute my microphone for the entire show if they were so inclined.
How long is it mute for?
Sometimes I, what's that?
How long is it mute for?
10 minutes.
Jesus.
Don't give them any ideas, Destiny.
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Just thought that was interesting.
We've had D-I-X a few times too, so.
What does that stand for?
The last one?
Oh, just like Dicks.
Sorry, my bad.
Suts, my sophomoric sense of hearing.
It's been like 10 years.
Yeah, it's been a minute.
All right, so without further ado, after that rather long-winded introduction, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
So please tell us your name, age, and occupation.
Go ahead.
Hey, my name is Stephen Bunnell, 34 years old.
People know me online and on Instagram as Destiny.
Okay, welcome.
I'm Melina, known as Melina on social medias as well.
Milan Jornsen.
I do Twitch.
I'm 24.
And I'm married to this.
My wife, Destiny.
Yeah, your wife.
Your wife, Destiny.
She's my wife.
Destiny.
She's such a beautiful woman.
Thank you.
And I'm Erin, aka Straterade on all platforms.
I'm 24 and I'm looking to do live streaming.
All right.
What about you?
Hi, I'm Pixie, P-X-I-E.
I currently stream.
And yeah, you can find me on Twitter or Twitch.
Age?
Oh, 24.
Oh, wow, well, I'm 24.
Okay.
I'm Billy Ray.
I'm 25.
And I am a content creator, mostly on the topic of men's dating.
Welcome.
I'm Nev.
I'm 20.
I got fired from PetSmart, so now I'm working at Los Boyos almanos.
And yeah.
This girl.
All right.
I'm Jonathan, also known as MLD.
I'm 37.
I'm based in Tokyo, Japan, and I'm here on my YouTube tour on whatever podcast.
I do men's self-improvement.
I'm Mary Morgan.
I'm 22.
I'm a commentator at Timcast Media.
You can find me on a show called Pop Culture Crisis.
The inflection in your voice suggested there was another bullet point.
My name is John Doyle.
I am 23 years old, and I talk about politics on the internet.
You said 23?
That is correct.
My name's Chase, 28 years old, professional photographer and brand consultant.
All right, rock and roll.
And before we have everyone give their relationship status here.
Hey, how old are you?
I never introduced myself.
Why not?
He needs no introduction.
I'm the mystery.
The mystery.
Wow.
But if you could.
I want to know, yeah, I'm curious.
Hi.
My guess.
My age?
Yeah.
Go for it.
29?
No.
What?
34.
Oh, cool.
Just turn.
Just turn.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
Just the red hair makes you look so much younger.
It brings out the, yeah.
But thank you.
I guess that's a compliment.
Yeah, I just turned 34 recently.
Cool.
And I had a couple questions for you, Destiny.
So, Destiny, you prefer Stephen?
You can call me Stephen.
Okay, got it.
Unless you really want to call me Destiny.
Yeah, by the way, we were talking about this before the show.
And I feel deeply honored that you did this.
You left a super chat on two.
One was accidental.
And that's your first time super chatting ever on a channel.
So that's a pretty big endorsement.
Can we say that Destiny endorses whatever podcast?
I got it.
I'm so triggered by your episodes.
I'm slamming my keyboard trying to figure out how to throw money at you.
Yeah.
That's an endorsement.
You've got it.
I heard it from the bedroom.
Yeah.
What was this super chat?
It was something.
You guys were saying some crazy dating shit, but I'm sure we'll fight about it here.
All right, let's go.
Okay.
That was the one with Rolo.
Right.
And you guys had quite a noteworthy debate yesterday with you, Rolo, Mike Sartain, and Sneeko.
So that was a good show.
And also, I just want to pay you a compliment or two.
I've seen a ton of your videos, and you're a very intelligent guy, exceptional debater, so very sharp.
So I just wanted to give you flowers on that.
Thanks.
So I think with that said, I reckon we might have our work cut out for us.
But one question: Have you ever taken an IQ test?
Never.
Never?
You think it's up there?
It's probably.
I think you're probably like 165, 170, you know.
I'd be in that ballpark of there, you know.
Gotcha.
Okay, so let's go around the table once more.
What's your current relationship status?
Are you single?
Are you in the talking phase?
Relationship, engaged, married, whatever, maybe situationship.
Go ahead.
I say situationship/slash married, I guess, depending on the day.
No, yeah, we're married.
We've been together for like probably about four and a half years.
Okay.
Yeah, I guess the same.
Same.
Yeah.
Same.
Okay.
How long was it?
You said three and a half?
About four and a half years ago.
I've been married for one and a half years now.
That's crazy.
I've been married for one and a half.
Okay.
What about you?
I'm single.
Single.
Longest relationship?
I never had a relationship.
Never had a relationship.
What's the longest period of time that you've dated somebody?
I've never been on a date either.
Never been?
Yeah.
Have you been asked out on dates, but you rejected the guys?
No.
Well, I revealed this on Revealed, on Fresh and Fit, and then after that, I got more date offers than I'd ever gotten in my life.
But yeah, I just haven't taken up random strangers on the internet for a date.
It's crazy.
Are you aromantic?
No.
Have you been asked out in real life?
Yeah.
Just weren't interested in any of the guys?
No, I was asked out twice and I got stood up for both.
Rip.
RIP's in the chat.
That sucks.
That sucks.
But so you've never had anything with the guy?
Or a woman?
No.
Sure.
Or a woman.
What about are they them?
No, or are they them?
No.
Okay.
Why do you think that is?
That has to do with the fact that in high school, I was in a dual enrollment program and then I just kept my nose in a book for four years because I graduated with my associates.
And then I got to college and then the pandemic started.
And then I was busy just doing too much gig work and I didn't have time to pursue a relationship because I was just focused on finishing my bachelor's, which I did.
And then the pandemic happened and I just haven't gone around to it yet.
What did you get your bachelor's in?
Biology.
Biology, okay.
Are you pursuing a master's degree or you're done with school?
I might do it, but not sure yet.
So it's hard for me.
Are you on dating apps?
Yeah, dating apps, anything?
Have you ever been?
No.
Kiss?
Has there been a kiss?
Yes, I have.
In fact, there's been a kiss.
Yeah.
On record, I think, yeah.
On record.
Yeah.
Was it like recorded on a stream or something?
Not on a stream.
Did you kiss someone at Fresh and Fit?
No.
Who would I kiss at Fresh and Fit?
Fresh?
No.
Not your type?
Not exactly.
No.
I don't think I'm his either, to be fair.
I don't know what his type is, but it's not me.
Fair enough.
Are you open to having a relationship?
Yeah, of course.
With Fresh.
With Fresh?
With Fresh.
Myron or Fresh, which one?
Myron or Fresh?
Oh, my God.
Those are your only two options.
How about you answer first?
Who would you go for?
Myron or Fresh?
Who's just Myron would be more capable of protecting me, I think.
Yeah.
I'd be a little frightened, I think.
If you wanted to beat the protector, though, who would you want to protect?
That's the question.
Jesus Christ.
This is really.
I'm befuddled.
You've stumped me.
I don't know.
That's a tough question.
It's hard.
It's tough.
I would go for Big Mo behind the scenes.
Good answer.
Good answer.
10 out of 10.
Big Moe?
I don't know if he was there when you were on.
I'm not familiar.
Who's this?
He's like, he's the sweetheart of the Fresh and Fit podcast.
Irresistible, I bet.
He's big.
Yeah.
Big Moe.
Big Mo.
He's called Big Mo, so I guess it's not offensive for me to call him Big.
Sweetheart, great guy.
And then it'd probably then maybe Chris after Big Mo.
You're very intimately familiar with cast of Russian fists.
Okay.
I feel like this is like a beautiful mind strategy.
Like, you don't want to go for the main guys, you want to go for the pretty girls in the background.
So you're opting for all the background people.
Yeah.
That's an interesting strategy.
And then the two main guys see that I'm kind of not paying attention to them.
And then they come around because I guess that works.
Okay.
And so first kiss, but virgin?
Virgin.
Have you had sex?
Had sex?
Well, you said you had to.
You had a few introductions first before we get to.
Well, I mean, it's, I mean, you're, you're, you don't often hear someone who's, for example, 24 who's never had anything.
So.
Is it uncommon?
I think it's fairly uncommon.
It's fairly uncommon.
In America.
In America.
Or does it just feel uncommon?
I feel like on this podcast, don't they talk about a lot how there's increasing rates of loneliness, people are delaying things more and more.
Doesn't that also apply to women, I'm sure?
I mean, have you had sex or not?
That's what he's asking.
Have you had it?
It's a good question.
She needs to decide if she's going to take you out later or not.
Oh, okay, okay.
Well, we'll get to that part of the podcast a little later.
All right.
You don't want to.
Are you just going to let her manhandle you like that?
We'll get to it later.
But has there been any?
Has there been any?
You know?
Okay, that means the answer is yes, right?
Does it?
But she said she's never dated a guy, but you have kissed a guy.
I have kissed a guy, yeah.
Do you want to just answer the question so I can go back to asking Destiny questions?
No, why don't we get to that first?
No, no, no.
Just answer the question.
Answer the question.
What's the question again?
If you're uncomfortable answering it, that's fine.
But you need a virgin to answer the question later on in the show.
You add it in the ass?
No, no, no.
Are you just a virgin just in general?
Just in general?
Yeah, like regular virgins.
Does lesbian sex count?
Yeah.
Does what?
Lesbian sex count?
Yeah, we talked about like men, women, or lesbian virgins.
That's my question.
Have you ever been with a woman?
Have you ever been with a man?
Have you ever been with a woman?
Biblically.
Biblically speaking.
Or are they them?
Bro, just answer the question.
Jesus Christ.
This is literally like that scene in the breakfast club when they're all pressuring Claire to say whether or not she's a virgin.
No, I never did it.
Yeah.
You're asking me if I'm a virgin?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bro, how many times do you have to repeat it?
Hello?
I just have to really make sure.
What does it mean to be a virgin?
Let's get the definitions out of the way first.
I'm very curious about that too, actually.
A male and female.
Say that you're not comfortable answering, right?
Just do it!
Just say that you're not comfortable answering, and we can move on.
That's the only reason why somebody wouldn't want to answer that question is because of discomfort.
Just do it!
Make your dreams come true!
Just do it!
I think we should move on from this office.
Good idea, Chase.
True.
Good idea.
All right.
Well, I want to come back to Destiny really quick.
Actually, we'll let everybody go.
That's not what I was going to ask, but we'll let everybody go.
Then I had a couple specific questions for Destiny.
Go ahead.
I am currently single.
My longest relationship was three years.
Okay.
Billy Gray?
I have a wonderful boyfriend.
Rock and roll.
Longest relationship?
About four years.
Okay.
I'm seeing someone.
My longest relationship was two years.
Closer into the mic plus.
I am seeing someone, and my longest relationship was two years.
Okay.
John?
Recently single.
Longest relationship four years, five years?
Sure.
Mary?
Currently in my first relationship, which is at 10 months.
I am single.
My longest relationship was about two years, 18 months, right around there.
Yeah, currently single, longest relationship about a year and a half.
And can you give us a little more information about your current situation?
My current situation being that I'm single and you want me to go into the looking for a wife?
Waiting for marriage.
Waiting for marriage.
Yeah, practicing abstinence and excited to meet the woman that God made for me whenever that happens.
Are you like newly abstinent, like born again abstinent, or are you...
Everybody says the born again thing.
No, I became abstinent in 2020.
Like you were born in 2020 or how does that does abstinence imply that you've never had someone?
You became a Christian in 2020.
Oh, no.
Oh my god, I'm so glad for you.
I became a Christian about nine years ago, but I've been I repented of fornication in 2020.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
Okay.
So you became Christian in 2014?
Or 13?
What sect are you?
About March or April of 2015.
Okay.
Yeah.
Or what denomination are you?
Catholic, yeah.
Non-denominational Protestant.
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
What?
Why are you talking about that?
I have an opinion on them?
Pick a team, okay?
Make a decision.
I mean, I'm looking at the church.
Let me guess.
You don't go to a church either, right?
No, I do.
So now we're letting their denominational church.
It's a non-denominational Protestant.
Calvary Chapel.
Oh.
They make non-denominational churches?
I didn't even know that.
Yeah.
It's wild.
You can find them usually in strip malls right between like a Popeyes and like a Planet Fitness.
Oh my God.
They're just pretty normal churches.
You know, they're not in like strip malls.
No.
Mine's just downtown.
Oh, based.
Yeah.
So Destiny.
Wow.
Really aggressive in here tonight.
Sorry, what's up?
From her, you think?
Yeah, I guess, yeah.
Or everybody.
A lot of energy in here tonight.
Is there?
Yeah.
A little tension, eh?
It's all good.
Do you think it's because of the wig?
It might be.
I think that's the wig is like staving off more tension that could enter the room.
Oh, maybe.
Should we introduce more attention into the room?
Should we take it off?
Oh, my.
I need to fix my hair.
Holy shit, that's scuffed.
I'll get up in a sec.
Destiny, you have a son, correct?
Are you involved or is...
Yeah, I lived there until he was around nine.
Then I moved to California, then Florida.
And then anytime I travel, I try to visit him afterwards.
So hang up to Nebraska tomorrow to hang out with him.
You said he's nine?
Yeah.
No, no.
Until he was nine.
He's 12 now.
Okay, gotcha.
And you're, who hears bye?
This whole side of the panel.
Yeah, interesting.
Interesting.
A whole bunch of degenerates over here.
Totally.
Haven't found God yet on this side of the table.
You will in time.
Destiny.
Hold on.
Wait.
I should put this back on while I ask this question.
Hold on.
Are we decreasing the tension for this question?
You look like Chucky.
Chucky.
Jesus Christ.
I feel more intimidated, honestly, with it on.
It's a little scary.
Yeah.
You feel like he's going to try something?
Yeah, like he's going to attack me.
He feels like I'm in Destiny.
He won't.
I'll hold him back.
Don't worry.
Oh, true.
Yeah.
Destiny, am I your type?
I'd say no, probably not.
What the fuck, dude?
what's your type in terms of men like if they're like liberal progressive you know the very the they thems you know Come on.
Appearance-wise.
Appearance-wise.
Like, if I was just like bleeding heart, liberal.
What about Chase?
What about Chase?
Is Chase your type?
Yeah.
Would you chase?
That'll be in the after show.
We'll talk about that.
Visually.
Is that a yes?
I don't know how you get guides.
I only date women.
Wait.
But you're attracted to men.
You smash dudes, but don't date them.
We'll go with that, okay?
Is it off limits?
Well, I don't know how much you want to fucking do erotic fanfiction here.
Like, if you want details of my hookup experience with guys, we can do that if you want.
I mean, but we're on YouTube, so I don't know.
I mean, we don't need certain details, but Destiny, are you a top or a bottom?
Thank you, man.
Yeah, we're not.
We don't have to.
No, no, no.
Okay, fair enough.
I don't think we have to get it off.
Are you sure that this is the only side of the table that's bi?
I mean, we're intimately.
I don't know if he's a top or a bottom.
Oh, you know, just like curious, you know.
Am I your type?
Yeah, my curious.
Can we do it later?
Neuroflexibility.
Very interesting.
You put on the wig and everybody's not going to be able to do that.
Never say never.
I said it was a lot of tension earlier.
Just keeping it open mind.
I respect that.
But I mean, he already rejected me, so I kind of like.
I didn't reject you.
Oh.
I'm more like a personality.
I'm like a safe, you know?
If you impress me intellectually, well, that's not going to happen because I spill over.
I don't know.
That's right.
You don't know if you guys aren't going to be able to do it.
English is my second language, so my articulation is pretty poor.
Oh, shit.
Thank you, man.
Based underscore burner donated $299.01.
Brian, I started watching a month ago.
Your social experiment has convinced me to stop sleeping around, which was a big part of my life, and focus on the one woman I know I want to marry.
I'm thankful for your platform.
Keep growing.
Texas forever.
Yo, Baseburner, thank you for the big TTS, man.
Really appreciate it.
Glad you enjoy the social experiment.
Mad props for your abstinence as well, Bass Burner.
What was the social experiment?
I think he's referring just the show to the show.
I mean, I don't know if it's a social experiment, but I suppose you could frame it.
You'd probably call it a.
Because I also did like social experiments back in the day, but I don't think he was referring to that.
That sounded.
I'd be curious to hear from Bass Burner if he wants to send in another TTS.
What inspired you exactly to stop sleeping around?
If you want to answer us, was it Chase for another $300?
Was it might as well?
Okay.
So just a question about your guys' relationship.
So is it a, from my understanding, it's a polyamorous relationship.
Is that right?
Yeah, basically.
Kind of, yeah.
Kind of, yeah.
Wait, is it like a flippant?
We don't have like a third.
Is it flippant?
We don't have.
Wait, what?
Is the wig a little flippant when I'm asking serious questions?
Like a little.
Don't worry about it.
Yeah.
Don't worry about it.
I've gotten used to it now.
I've seen you more with red hair than not red hair, so it's actually kind of normal now.
Okay, cool.
I'll take it off in a bit, but you guys were kind of wishy-washy on that answer.
We're like Pilot, but we don't live with a third person or anything like that.
What are the rules of your guys' relationship that you have with each other?
Like, what are the rules and boundaries?
I think generally we just try to communicate with each other when we see other people.
Honesty.
And that's pretty much it.
And that's generally it, yeah.
Does anybody have veto power over the other?
I mean, like, in any relationship, anybody does, right?
Like, if somebody wanted to see somebody and the other person like hated one of their partners, it's probably not good.
So have you guys?
So Melina has like an indefinite veto over you and you have an indefinite veto over her.
Yeah, of course this guy's like a hard guy.
Yeah.
If we have like mortal enemies and the other person's trying to like super them, it's probably not going to work out very well.
Oh yeah, no, no.
I'm not leading you into any kind of like gotcha moment.
I just genuinely want to know.
So if she wants to sleep with someone, you're like, no, she has to respect it and then vice versa for him.
Has that actually happened before?
Or you've had to veto or sometimes, yeah.
There's a lot of like streamer stuff that gets really dramatic sometimes.
Do you feel like explaining the circumstances?
Like let's say that someone sleeps with a monogamous person and then they get really obsessed with you.
And then it's kind of like, this is really toxic.
Like I want to keep seeing this person, but they're like really shitty towards my partner.
So of course I would want to like like that's not fun.
It's not fun for me to listen to someone that I'm sleeping with that hates my partner.
Or the other way around too, like knowing that he's sleeping with someone that hates me.
Would you even entertain disrespectful?
Would you even entertain that as a woman?
Like you know this guy like definitely hates your husband.
Oh, usually just sleep with girls.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
But it could be the same thing with girls too.
They want to date me.
They just like hate him, but that's what they're doing.
Or like they're monogamous, so they're going to get really jealous.
They don't understand the open mindset.
Like they don't, like, it's just going to be them.
Basically, like, sometimes people will, sometimes people see our arrangement, and it seems like a fun thing to do.
It's kind of similar to Friends with Benefits, where people will think it's a fun thing to do.
But then when they try, they get really emotionally attached.
And then, because we're already in a relationship, it gets really weird.
Yeah.
Has it been difficult maintaining this dynamic?
I mean, in a way.
We've run into a lot of crazy people.
Or make things get crazy.
You're probably not attracting the most sane people in the first place.
I try to go for people that are open or that are poly now because it makes things a lot easier so we can just avoid the jealousy because I don't even think it's really fair to like, I almost feel like when someone agrees to sleeping with any of us and they're thinking it's a fun thing, usually we're like a lot cooler, you know, and they don't really realize until later on and then they get really obsessed or they feel really really bad.
So I usually feel really bad for them later on as well.
So I don't think it's really fair either to do that.
How long into your guys's relationship did you start this dynamic?
Right at the very beginning.
Right at the very beginning.
Yeah.
So you guys were like right off the bat like yo, let's do it this way.
This is the only relationship I've ever done.
Whose idea was the whole open relationship?
Yours, Destiny?
Both?
Basically, yeah.
Like after my last relationship, I didn't actually ever think I would date again because sleeping around is fun and shit.
Yeah.
So the idea of like being locked down to one person is not fun.
And I started talking to her and she was cool and she's like, oh, well, I do open relationships.
I'm like, oh, shit, this is like perfect.
So why did you decide to get married then?
And what does that mean?
Because she lives in Sweden and I live in the United States and the only way she can spend any considerable amount of time with me is to be married.
So it was just green card, just that.
Kind of, yeah.
His journey.
But I mean, like we love each other too.
During the pandemic, it was crazy for everybody to be visa-wise.
So, but then we'll probably do like, I imagine we'll do like an official ceremony at some point.
We just have to get the logistics set up and everything.
I think we've been together for long enough to like, oh, we're like married.
We love each other.
So I'm not familiar with all of the regulations or whatever, but isn't there a timeline that if you reach like five years of marriage from a green card marriage, you can get divorced and the person who is from another country can keep their green card?
And at that point, do you think that you will divorce and then stay together?
I don't think we'd ever divorce, but technically, don't take legal advice from me, but I think if you're in the United States on a visa and you're in the process of getting the green card, you can break up already and still follow through in your green card process.
I've had a few friends that's done that.
Yeah, you don't even have to go through with the marriage technically, so yeah.
And you come from a family where this is practiced, right, Melina?
I think my parents did do like Springer stuff and like open things, like non-monogamous things together.
I don't know who at the time?
Not at the time, like when I was a kid or anything.
But like later on when I was talking to my mom and I was older, and I was like, oh, open relationship makes a lot more sense to me.
She's like, oh yeah, I did that too.
So it's like, okay.
Are your parents still together?
No.
Okay, okay, okay.
Destiny, you, didn't you come from like a Bible Belt background or no?
Yeah, very conservative, yeah.
Do you feel like that's catalyzed your political evolution?
I mean, I'm not related to that at all anymore, but it would be stupid to say that my upbringing didn't influence my political stuff, but I'm sure it has.
It's hard to know how it manifests exactly, but yeah, I was writing articles for my school newspaper supporting like Bush and the Iraq war when I was in high school.
Wow.
So you're on the other spectrum from where you are.
My mom is Cuban, so Cuban people in general are very, very, very conservative.
Were you ever socially conservative at the time?
Yeah, very much.
Like hated, not hated gay people, but very much against LGBT stuff and all that.
When did that change?
As I, through high school, I became an atheist, and then as I started to get more, once I started streaming, when I turned like 21, 22, once I started to make more money, my political view started to shift quite a bit.
Interesting.
Very interesting.
Do you feel like you're getting interrogated right now?
I've answered all these questions before.
This guy's like a super fucking streamer.
This is not his first rodeo.
What's the largest stream you've been on?
How many live viewers?
I think it was when I was covering the Miskiff shit.
Yeah.
I think I liked it.
It was like 60, 70K.
On your stream?
Yeah, on YouTube.
That's pretty lit.
It's pretty lit.
I might have missed this while I was adjusting my hair, but I had- Oh, you calmed it for us.
Cute.
Yeah, I, you know, gotta be presentable.
Of course.
So you guys are in a polyamorous relationship.
And I apologize if I miss this.
Do you guys both sleep with other people?
Yeah.
So in what way are you not a cuck?
I heard that you got mad at me for calling you a cuck.
Well, I got mad at you for calling me a cuck because you didn't know anything about me and you were radiating more pick-me energy than I've ever seen in a girl in my entire life.
So I thought it was really funny.
But how are you not a cuck is what I asked.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, what is a cuck to you, I guess?
You know, someone like Sneeko, someone who sits in a chair, someone who watches.
Someone who watches their woman get fucked by another man.
Yeah, I don't sit in watching a woman get fucked by another man.
Someone who allows that.
Well, someone who allows it is just somebody in an open relationship.
And how do you expect that to last for the next five years?
I mean, it's lasted for four years, which I think is longer than any relationship you've been in, right?
Yeah.
So I think I'm probably doing okay.
She's also bad.
I'm 20.
What?
I'm 20.
Okay, and I'm 34.
And I don't have someone looking for a green card.
That's fine.
She's already got her green card.
She's free to leave if she wants.
Do you guys feel like you're going to be together into old age?
Like, do you want to stay together?
We have the same thing.
Of course.
Yeah, I hope so.
Do you want kids?
Yeah.
Let's just clear something out too.
Hold on.
One more thing.
Sneeko's not a cuck.
He did it one time, and he said it was not for him.
So you got to drop that.
Okay, good to know.
Do you think he's like?
He didn't even truly.
Also, to be fair, he didn't do the cuck thing.
He went to a swinger's party.
He wasn't into the swinger stuff.
It's weird because you don't want the whole sexual fetish you can explore relating to cuckoo, which by the way, if people are going to cuck me, that's not going to stop.
That's cool.
Do you know why we did Queen Destiny?
Do you know why he did it?
If I had to guess, it's because he heavily models himself after men that he respects, and Patrice O'Neill talked about it.
That's my guess.
Yeah, yeah.
It was a picture of the music.
No, like watch Patrice O'Neill doing it.
Yeah, but he did.
He didn't go to the party thinking like, I want to watch my girlfriend get fucked and jerk off in the corner.
He went to swing and then he wasn't into it and they left.
No, the reality was he, like, I think he stepped out.
He felt guilty, so he gave her a free pass.
And then he did it one time.
He's like, this is terrible.
I never want to experience this again.
And that's it.
So that's years ago.
So it's not a cuck in that case because a cuck likes it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he continues down the path of cuckoldry, which he does not.
Nico's.
I have a question.
There was a clip of YouTube that went kind of viral on Twitter a few days ago where you started ballroom dancing with some guy in the background of a stream.
What was the situation there and who was that guy?
Yeah, there's a guy on YouTube called ABBA from ABBA and Preach.
And I think he's trying to steal my girl from me.
Is he?
No, so he dances.
She's not like a bad guy.
Wait, wait, wait.
Hold on, wait, no, no, no, hold on.
I did not look devastated.
A little bit, though.
No, I don't.
When you guys are watching clips...
That's just your resting face, though.
No, no.
When you guys are watching clips, there's three responses I can have.
I can either laugh about it, in which case you'll be like, oh, my God, he's coping.
Or I can just sit there and just watch because I'm just watching my chat and somebody stream and be like, oh my God, he's secretly terrorized.
Or I can be like, oh, no, guys, don't.
And joke about me, like, oh my God, he's like secretly coping.
Like, there's literally no response I can have because you're projecting all of your insecurities on the situation.
Are you seeing that guy?
No, it's Amber Preach from the YouTube channel.
Wait, do you think that, wait, hold on.
Do you think the dancing is fucking?
Because in that case, there's a lot of children out there dancing.
Maybe you should do something about it, you know?
Oh, yeah, careful.
No, I was just saying the reaction to the clip was obvious.
Yeah, I know, but I don't understand why people are having a big reaction to dancing.
Listen, in his defense, they were playing Hello Darkness, My Old Friend, and like zooming in on his face to show maybe despair or something he's feeling like.
But it feels like it's a good idea.
It just feels really ridiculous, right?
Because I think it's a good idea.
You can edit anything.
I did like 12 years of ballroom dancing when I was younger.
So I'm like, I was competing in that sport.
So if I meet someone that does some sort of dancing that is with a partner, I can dance with them really well.
And that's like, what's the fun out of it, right?
I think she's saying in a traditional sense of things, it looks bad on him, but you guys don't have a traditional relationship.
You don't fuck other people, though.
Why the fuck are you?
No, I'm just saying.
No, no, that's what I'm saying.
You guys don't have a, like, from a traditional standpoint.
No, no, no, but from a traditional standpoint, it looks bad, but you guys are not traditional.
I think that's what she's saying.
It looks bad, but even in a traditional aspect, you can go to weddings.
Sometimes people dance with other people.
Have you guys ever danced?
It's not like they're like, I know you're not like at a ballroom dance.
I'm not okay with if I marry my wife, I'm not okay with her dancing with anything.
And that's great.
Your insecurities are yours to deal with.
It's not insecurity.
No, that's not insecurities.
Shut up.
No, it's not.
It's not an insecurity.
It's just a boundary I have.
It's not an insecurity.
But it's not just a boundary.
Is you saying that in a traditional relationship, this wouldn't be okay?
Plenty of people dance with other people.
It's not a huge deal.
Now, if they were fucking grinding on each other or some shit, that'd be different.
But when they're going through moves on a ballroom dance thing, I think that if you've got a huge problem with that, I think that says more about it.
So wait, why is my boundary all of a sudden limited?
And labeled that about security.
The problem wasn't your boundary.
The problem was you said, well, in a traditional relationship, you made it sound like it was a boundary that everybody should have.
No, if you would have said just me personally, I'd be like, okay, sure.
I did say just me personally.
I say the way she's the way she, the way they're perceiving you.
And then I built on it saying, me personally, I'm not okay with that.
Sure.
And for you personally, hold on, Billy, you wanted to go?
I can change the subject a little bit if you want to.
No, we're fighting.
It's changed something.
Why do we change it when we're having a good fight?
We're fighting.
We're fighting.
I thought you wanted to come in on something really well.
No, I wanted to come in on the relationship about children.
What?
She's going to ask, how can you guys do an open relationship and have children at the same time?
And then we're going to answer, we'd probably close the relationship if that happens.
That was my question.
What do you plan on doing when you have children?
We would probably not be fucking around as much because you wouldn't even have the time fight out.
Do you make eye contact when you speak or no?
I'm over here.
Well, kind of, yeah, but I can't really see it.
I don't want to block the camera because, you know, well, it's actually better if he just kind of maintains more of a straight straight on.
I do have a question for both of you guys.
Out of curiosity, how many men beyond Destiny?
Flan Life thing for the 50 gifted.
We'll have to do the fit check later on in the show, guys.
Thank you, man.
Go ahead.
Besides Destiny, in your guys' relationship, if you feel comfortable answering, how many men have you been with?
Like, total?
I actually don't really know.
Usually it's just women.
But if you had to estimate.
Isn't it Destiny?
Is that accurate that you tend to be able to do that?
I don't really keep counting.
No.
Hold on, hold on.
Hold on.
Would you say it's like five, maybe ten?
I'm not sure.
I mean, it's like years ago, right?
The last time you were with a guy besides Destiny in your relationship?
It was probably a long time ago.
Usually just women.
Okay.
How many women have you been with besides her in your relationship?
I don't think it keeps counting either.
It's a lot of them.
Okay, but like, come on, give me like a ballpark.
It's a lot.
Destiny's fucking in these people.
No, it's not.
Where I'm going with it.
It's probably 10 times as many as nine.
It's a decent amount.
But it's cringe to talk about because I'm not here to fucking jerk off of her like fucking.
I understand.
Where I was going with that is like, when was the last time you were with a guy besides Destiny?
I don't remember.
A year ago, two years ago, three years ago?
Something like that.
About a year ago?
I think within, yeah.
Oh, shh.
When that happened, like, did you feel comfortable with it based on the amounts of money?
Generally, this is the way that I approach it.
If I'm going to hook up with somebody, it's kind of weird if your partner is out fucking somebody or hanging out with somebody in a semi-romantic way, and then your partner's just at home doing anything, like nothing.
So usually if I'm going out doing something, hopefully she's got similar plans, and then vice versa.
If she's got plans, then I've got plans.
So, no, we don't usually feel bad about it because we're doing something together generally.
So it doesn't create insecurity for you guys at all?
I mean, as long as insecurity makes it like normal relationship.
Like, there might be times.
The only time I think that insecurity comes creeping in is if there are other problems in the relationship.
So, for instance, if we're fighting a lot and then somebody tries to hook up with somebody, then that might cause people to feel a little bit weird.
But otherwise, no, it's just neither of us care that much about it.
If we did, we wouldn't have an open relationship.
I mean, I get turned on by it.
You get turned on by him hooking up with other chicks?
So, you're a cuck.
Cuck queen.
Yeah, I like that.
Cuck queen?
Yeah, I guess cuck queen.
That's a term.
That's exactly.
Wait, can I ask the panel what the interest or like the angle is for interrogating their relationship to this extent?
I mean, I danced together.
For me, I just genuinely don't know, so I'm going straight to the source.
Yeah, I don't, I'm not interrogating them.
I personally am just curious about it.
It feels a little bit like it.
You guys are usually like this close to like, so we already As likewise, Aaron, you're projecting interrogation onto me where it doesn't exist.
I'm asking because I just know for myself.
Is that the angle?
It's curiosity.
And I'm kind of probing into it because it's like, I can't imagine being in a situation where my girl was hooking up with another guy and it wouldn't drive me insane.
And so if it doesn't drive them insane, I'm curious about that.
Why were you curious about the number of men?
Just because it's an interesting question.
I thought it would come from somewhere.
You got to be a little bit more creative.
It's an interesting question, you know?
You're a smart guy.
You can be a little bit more careful.
There's 15,000 people watching, and I'm sure a lot of them would be curious.
So it's for the content.
Of course not.
That's what it is.
It's not like I'm generally curious.
It's like you're not trying to break it.
It's like an unusual thing.
There's an element of curiosity, and there's also an element where I'm trying to make an interesting show for all the people that are watching.
I feel like just because they're in an open relationship, maybe that doesn't mean they should be subjected to particularly dating.
They voluntarily came on the show.
No, like if somebody volunteers that they're in a monogamous way, why are you speaking on behalf of Destiny?
I don't know.
I mean, if he has an issue with the current questions we're asking him, no, I'm curious myself.
Like, I didn't expect that half the panel already would be just about their relationship.
Well, it's such a interesting thing.
Can we talk about you?
Yeah, let's talk about you.
It's such a unique idea.
He doesn't talk about you, but you keep dodging all the questions.
So we're going to ask them questions.
We can go to you then.
No, let's go to you.
You did it again.
You just did it again.
Someone did it again.
You're dodging.
I don't want to steal the attention.
Why didn't I want to steal it?
You're saying I don't want to steal the attention, but you came to a dating show and you've avoided all the questions about your dating life.
Yeah.
Besides the fact that you've never been on a date.
It's different from my dating life.
It's kind of all under the same umbrella.
Is it though?
Of course it is.
Of course it is.
You're on a dating podcast and you don't think that your dating life is up for discussion.
No, I didn't say that.
It's all connected.
I want to ask some questions for the monogamous people in that case.
Wait.
Virgin?
Confirm or deny.
Just give us something.
Clearly, this is like the most pressing topic for the dating person.
It's literally a yes or no.
It'll take you one second to answer the question.
Is it about the duration of how long it takes to answer a question like that?
That's what determines you.
What's up with the sophistry?
Why don't you just answer it?
I mean, you were evasive about why you were excluding me.
I said because I was curious and because it's good content.
After a lot of deliberation, mentally, I feel like Fresh is the best one for her from the fits the archetype that Fresh goes after.
What archetype is that?
Chubby White Girl.
Got it.
Shot's fired.
Shots fired.
Just joking, Fresh.
Love you.
Although, I had a question for you.
Go ahead, go ahead.
I'm ready.
Thanks, Flan Life.
You said earlier, with respect to the dancing thing.
Yes.
You said it would be a boundary of yours to not let your partner or wife dance with another man.
Correct.
Is that really a boundary or isn't that more of an agreement?
I feel like a boundary is something that you say that I'm going to do or abstain.
But I don't know that a boundary can really include.
I don't really think of them that way.
I think a boundary is just things that I would independently decide I don't want to do or I do want to engage in.
No, I focus on the conversation.
Steven.
Yeah, you fucked me.
You lied to me.
I'm sorry.
There is a boundary.
They're talking about they're just saying a boundary and an agreement and a contract.
Continue.
I just know when you do your streams, like you're playing Factorio and all of your age.
Don't let her judge the virgin.
No, I actually want to interject.
No, wait.
Let me interject.
Let her go.
Let her go and clarify.
I just wait, wait, wait, wait.
I just want to say something.
Earlier, you guys were talking about traditional relationships.
I was raised in a Hispanic, traditional, Catholic family household.
The idea that dancing ballroom or dancing in general is non-traditional to me is insane because like all of South America, Central America, Spain, you know, they dance salsa, they dance merengue.
That is part like part of the culture and a lot of people there are very traditional, very Hispanic, Catholic.
Well, that's what there is a discrepancy there.
The issue is not with the actual dancing.
The issue is with dancing with someone who's not your partner.
That's true.
That's what they do.
Why?
Is that what they do?
Yeah, it's literally just part of the culture.
That's it.
That's part of my culture.
Is that part of my culture?
I was literally born and raised.
That's part of my culture.
When it comes to the reaction to that video that I brought up, it was because of the context around it.
If you were just the random people, I don't think that's it.
Should we watch the video?
Wait, wait, hold on.
No, no, no.
You can watch it.
Go on.
But the reaction is.
I don't know what we're talking about.
No, no, no, I don't feel okay.
You can watch it all you want.
I'll jerk off to it for you if you want after the show, okay?
Can we record it?
I have an OnlyFans.
Just do it under the table.
As long as you pay me for it, okay?
50.
Hold on.
The issue is not the reaction of the video, even the context management.
The issue is that right now, everybody in the red pill culture that's taken over online shit is obsessed with cuck and everything related to it.
So much that I think it's actually a hidden fantasy for a lot of the people that talk about it.
Where like if a guy is talking to somebody else or a girl's talking to someone, it's like cuck, Like, people talk about it incessantly.
It's like fucking insane.
More so than it would have been like even five or ten years ago.
Do you think it's like projection?
It's some kind of weird obsession with like being cucked or cucked.
Like to the point where on some of these shows, I don't think I've heard it here, but people will say things like if your girlfriend has like a high body count, you start dating her, you got cucked.
Or like if your girlfriend is like talking to another guy in a way that's getting cucked.
It reminds me of like the old 4chan copy pasta, where it's like the ultimate cuck is a father that raises a daughter because he's preparing his daughter's pussy to get plowed by some other guy.
And that's like the ultimate cuck.
I'm just saying that like the obsession with like the cuck shit is like insane.
I don't think it has anything to do with me or the dancing because like she said, in a lot of traditional cultures, a lot of people dance.
And if you do like ballroom dancing or competition, you're not only competing with a boyfriend, right?
You're like dancing with like partners and other people that have been practicing with you and everything.
So I just think the obsession has to do with like the culture around like the whole cuck and like dance.
I think there's an obsession.
I think that cuckoldery and other weird fetishes are being pushed in both pornography and pop culture and people are just responding to that.
Cuckoldry as an actual fetish is really rare.
I think that people recognize degeneracy and they naturally say something that exists.
So it's like this weird like degenerate angle and then like the red pill stuff and kind of the tradcon stuff and the people that believe there's a right way to express sexuality and a wrong way and I guess you're saying there's not a right or wrong.
I've never said that at all.
There's plenty.
Well you put degeneracy and weird and Eric.
Well because there are consider sexually degenerate?
Yeah, but he said we weren't allowed to talk about some of that.
So those subjects would you say those are the only things that you forget to partake in it?
In broad speaking terms, as long as people are exercising or practicing some sexual thing that's between them and it's not hurting anybody else in general, I think it's probably okay for people to do that.
If you want to have like a pure monogamous relationship, if you want to be abstinent until you get married or whatever, and that's how you want to explain it, I think that's totally fine.
But it seems like people from some backgrounds find that they can be incredibly judgmental of other people's like sexual explosion, which is really weird to me because they'll get like really fixated on it.
Like I've never had a conversation before where I'm like, what's it like to like only have your husband or boyfriend's dick like going in and out of your pussy?
Like these like really explicit conversations.
But then people come to me and it's like, what do you think about like your wife like fucking other guys and shit?
And it's like, it's really weird that I'll get like really, or like even earlier, he's like, so you're bisexual.
I think you asked me, right?
Do you fuck guys in the ass?
Do you take dick in your ass?
I'm like, geez.
That's a really exciting thing you asked me if I was at top or bottom, right?
That's essentially what you're asking, right?
Which is fine.
I don't care.
Like the exposition questions are fun and I'm used to dealing with it.
But it's interesting to me that based on my lifestyle, I'll get like these really explicit questions.
And I feel like if you're in a more traditional relationship, if somebody asked you that, you'd be like, whoa, that's like way over the line.
Which I think is an interesting question.
That's probably questions that we get asked to monogamous people, right?
Oh, yeah, you're very offended by that, I guess.
What?
By me asking.
There's nothing you can say that will offend me, I probably.
I think people ask questions about your relationship because I would say the vast majority, they don't think that it's normal or conducive to a flourishing long-term relationship.
And that's fine.
Especially a marriage.
They think it's fundamentally humiliating to a man to not have sexual exclusivity with his wife.
And that's totally fine.
But the way that the question's already phrased was earlier was, I'm just curious.
But it's not a curiosity.
I didn't say that, but it's not an actual curiosity.
That's fine.
Yeah.
There's a normative loading of like, you're doing something that I don't approve of, and now I'm going to question you on it, which is fine.
But like, if we want to get into that, then we can get into that.
Well, I mean, rather than like the like, oh, well, I'm just curious.
Like, does it bother you that somebody else might like come on your wife?
And I'm like, Jesus Christ.
I don't know.
Let's back up a second.
You're kind of projecting the disapproval does exist, but we're not projecting because these two at least have explicitly said it, right?
So it does exist.
I just said, I'm not sure what I'm pointing out.
It's not necessarily that the questions are rooted in disapproval.
It's more just that your guys' relationship dynamic is a taboo in society.
So people are curious and they have questions.
Well, you are, I think you're curious.
Well, I don't know.
I'm treating you as good faith.
You're curious.
But these two are the very least.
And by the way, there's nothing wrong with being disapproving, but these two questions are coming from like a, don't you realize that this is really bad?
That's like the angle of the question, basically.
Which is not like understanding or curiosity.
It's like, I'm just going to bull you for what you're doing in your life.
Do you guys feel bullied by them?
I don't feel bullied.
I love it.
Melina does a little bit.
No, it's just like negativity, not understanding.
Do you guys want to watch the videos and anything just being like?
Yeah, you want to watch it.
We can watch that.
Yeah, Eric, can you work on trying to find what would be a good keyword for us to do that?
Hold on.
I don't want to do the video where there's like the music over it.
I want to.
You want to deal with the music and the Zoom if you want.
Whatever you want to do.
Copyright.
Hello.
Copyright.
Eric, try to find just Abba Destiny dancing video.
While we do that, I just have three.
I'm pretty sure you can go to Rolo's Twitter or Andrew Tate's Twitter.
Everybody's retweeting the video, so you can find it on there probably.
Wait, I'm kind of curious.
How do you guys define degeneracy?
Like, what do you guys, do you guys have like a general definition for it?
Or do you just say like, oh, I don't like that.
It's degenerate.
I mean, I don't know about you guys.
I would personally say off the cuff things that like degenerate the stability of society, right?
Things that are contributing to the fall of the West.
Yes.
Okay, but some examples, Chase.
Yeah, like this is still a very general.
Let me just say that.
Examples of degeneracy.
Examples of degeneracy, I would say like women getting ran through in their 20s.
I think polyamory is degenerate, no offense.
I think it has dampened.
If it was to be widespread throughout society, I think it would really tear and rip at the fabric of society and things would fall apart very quickly.
Don't like that.
Hold on, hold on, hold on, that's fine.
Homosexuality, transsexuality, and then like, you know, stuff like alcoholism, addiction, all these kind of things.
Like, I think all of that's degenerate.
Okay.
That's how I would define it.
Your definition of degeneracy is basically if everybody did it, then society would fall apart.
And that's why it's degenerate if just one person does it.
It's degenerate for both society at large and also for individuals, right?
Like homosexuality, for example, there's a lot of homosexuals that have early mortality because of the diseases that are associated with homosexuality.
You could also say the same for people that have, you know, do rampant form fornication, get STDs through that.
It's degenerate for the individual as well.
And it starts to wear apart at their body, their mind, their soul, all these things, right?
It's very unhealthy on an individual level and on a societal level as well.
And you're worried about this specifically degenerating the West?
Like homosexuality, you know, all of this cuckoldry?
I would say the evidence is.
The evidence is abundant that it is currently degenerating the West.
It's already degenerating at a massive rate.
Yeah, gender bending, sodomy, homosexuality.
These things have never happened in Europe.
That's so true.
They are symptoms of the declining societies.
I mean, we're not the first people to think that you can have sex with a guy or change your gender.
I mean, there have been sexual revolutions in different capacities throughout history, and no society has ever survived those types of revolutions, typically like a sign of the decline happening.
Sodom and Gomorrah.
Do you think our society is on the brink of collapse?
I don't know if I'd say the brink.
I think that's alarmist, but we're definitely headed in the wrong direction.
Every marker of a healthy nation in America is heading in the opposite direction.
Just because of what people are doing into the world.
I don't think that's not just because of that.
I don't think it's too sophisticated.
Yeah, I was about to ask, do you think these things are what were the cause of collapse, or do you think that there are other factors, like economic factors or factors relating to like, let's say, illness, disease, widespread, that might be the cause or the causes of those societies falling?
The only disease killing America is like the woke mind virus, where everybody's just like trying to be so true.
Like I said, there was a literal disease killing America that kind of is wouldn't even recognize it.
Kind of is.
Come on, because even you, like, hold on.
As progressive as you are, like, you see, sometimes these people are too fucking.
I fight with them all the time.
No, no, I also recognize that conservatives are literally telling people not to get vaccinated, but we think that like gay people are like ruining society more than that.
Well, there's a good reason for that, though.
Yes, there is.
Tell us the reason.
Why is gay people?
I saw one woman.
I saw one woman take that vaccine.
That wasn't what I was speaking to.
Listen, I saw one woman take the vaccine and become retarded.
That was enough for me to be like, no, I'm just not going to fucking do it.
What's the TOS?
I saw one person not take the vaccine and die.
That was enough for me to talk about.
Let's avoid the vaccine talk.
Let's avoid the vaccine.
No, no, I do agree, though, because especially with Hollywood and TikTok, TikTok is predominantly used by teens.
And the algorithm is sort of catered towards left-leaning ideals.
Like, oh, there's this, there's that.
And it's sort of teaching kids that this is what you have to be.
This is the right way to think.
And it sort of shames them into forming their own opinions.
I mean, it's controlled by China and by dance.
Like, the actual Chinese TikTok, Doin, is actually feeding their population way different stuff.
Like, engineers, scientists, like these kids over in China, like the number one career they want to be is like an astronaut.
In America, it's a YouTuber.
Yeah, I think the TikTok algorithm is probably fifth generation warfare that China is using to continually divide America and push us towards a collapse civil war scenario.
If you talk to like mainstream, like regular people behind the firewall in China, they don't fucking like America at all.
At all.
And they're like totally down for Chinese domination.
Hold on, we're their biggest trading partner.
We're trying to get a lot of people in the world.
We're kind of losing focus, though, because this is a dating podcast.
But I think it's important because it's never just a dating podcast.
I noticed this with a lot of this kind of like red pill stuff is that like everything.
I didn't cut you off for record.
I wanted to hear your perspective.
Oh, no, no, I didn't see you coming up, did you?
No, no, no, no.
Just continue with your thoughts.
Yeah, there's like, it's never just about like dating or just about TikTok.
It's always got to be part of this grander plan to like, like, I like how we get into this conversation.
Like, well, what about your relationship?
Well, I think this is causing the fall of the West.
And it's like, holy shit.
Like, gee, I don't know a guy like being fucked by another dude is like causing like America to lose its position.
It's like a head of people.
It's not really like that.
Everything is like tied into like these global narratives.
Why is gay sex causing damage to society?
Okay, so that's a great question.
What I would say is the family is at the bedrock of civilization as a whole.
If you have a nation full of healthy families, then you're going to have a healthy nation, right?
But there's an attack on the nuclear family.
Feminism is a prime example, right?
Feminism is something that divides men and women.
It causes a lot of tension in households.
And as a result of that, that's one thing that contributes to broken families.
If you have a nation that's full of broken families, you have a nation that's slowly going to fall apart.
And we see that happening right now.
Aren't a lot of like spirituality.
There aren't a lot of heterosexual marriages ending in divorce anyways.
It has nothing to do with gay sex or anything like that.
Okay, yeah, so your question is.
There's a lot of family that's already breaking apart from for other reasons.
So why are you not focusing on those sorts of things?
So I'll answer it in the frame of homosexuality.
Have you seen any of the data on population collapse that's projected in the next 50 years?
There's a lot of countries around the world that are not having children at the replacement rate necessary in order to continue maintaining their society.
Have you seen any of that data?
I'm very familiar with it.
Okay, so Elon Musk talks about this all the time.
And if you look at the data on homosexuality, a few generations ago, it was less than 2% of people were homosexual.
And it was 5%, 10%, Gen Z. They're around 23% identifying as LGBTQ.
Hold on, whoa, whoa, whoa.
To clarify, if we're going to do geopolitics, the 20% identifying as LGBTQ are predominantly bisexual.
It's not people that are actually becoming gay.
Number one, number two, population collapse is not happening because of degeneracy or LGBT stuff.
I would say it's a contributing factor.
That's fine, but you'd be wrong.
The reason why it's happening is because when countries develop and people are given the opportunity to explore lives, they're not just saying like, oh, I'm 22, I'm going to have a ton of kids.
That's been the big issue.
Now, I feel really strongly about this because there arguably is an issue relating to population collapse.
Like, we can talk about replacing people or whatever, but like those conversations need to be intelligent and they have to revolve around what's actually happening, which is women getting access to reproductive control, like birth control, and women entering school and the job market.
Those are the two massive driving factors.
Because the reality is, is if you put a bright future in front of somebody and you say, do you want to pursue that?
Or do you want to have four kids by the time you're 24?
Most women are reasonably choosing like, oh, I think I'd rather actually live my life and do this stuff.
I'm pretty sure every single woman at this table has probably made the same choices.
All the conservative women that talk about it generally make those same choices.
They'll tell you like, oh, like look at just pearly things, right?
We'll echo all of the, we need to have kids and blah, blah, blah.
And she doesn't either, right?
I think that the issue is that we've given women access to all of these things and they really enjoy it.
And now we need to have a conversation.
What are we going to do for our future population?
Because blaming gay people isn't going to put that back in the box.
I think that's the big issue.
Those are some fair points.
Also, you do.
Hold on.
Please, Aaron, hold on a second.
Let me respond to everything that he just said.
Okay, go for it.
You raised a number of fair points.
The idea that the most attractive thing to women is going out there, making their career, like living their life, so on and so forth.
And that's what basically all these women want, conservative women included.
I would rebut that by saying I've heard from thousands of women that are in their early 20s, conservative especially, and all they want is to have kids, but they're finding it difficult to find a man who actually wants marriage and who also can provide for them.
I hear from girls every single day.
They're like, I wish so badly I could find a guy who would want to get married and would want to have kids with me.
The idea that all these women would just want to go out there and live their lives and have their careers and stuff, that's not true.
That's great, but I can't argue against your thousands of women.
All I can do is look at stats on the ground.
There's also stats showing that women are increasingly less happy.
Yeah, stats on happiness have been notoriously difficult to track.
But if we look at actual behaviors, women are over, like, for instance, what we would have said 40 or 50 years ago is, women don't really like school and they're not going to sit in math class because women just don't learn like that, they don't enjoy doing that.
And what we've seen is when we open schools to women, not only are they doing really well, they potentially outcompete men in schools.
They might even be more geared towards like learning in a classroom environment than men, who would rather like go outside and play and like be more physical right.
So I think we have to be careful with this assumption that women are built to want to have children and do that a ton, because women are overwhelmingly choosing To go to college and go get jobs and like enter the career field.
I think that if we just work on the assumption that, well, they don't really want to do that, we're going to be having the same conversation in 20, 30, 40 years.
And people like, you're going to be like, well, I don't know what's happening.
Is it the woke people pushing women to go to college?
Or I don't know.
Like, well, I've talked to hundreds of women that seem unhappy.
Well, if you're really a woman, I mean, this is true.
If you're 21, 22, 23, and you're looking to have a family settle down, you can do it.
You're going to find a man that'll want to do it, but you just, you can't live in a bad thing.
They can't.
You can, but they promise they really struggle.
They want that, but then they want to live in LA, Miami, New York, Austin.
A lot of them don't.
This promise is part of this.
I promise.
I'll give this: if you're a woman and you want to find a husband that will take care of you and just have kids, go to the fucking Midwest.
Go to fucking Montana.
Go to fucking.
There's tons of places where you can find men that will do this, but you don't want to do that.
You want to live in one of the 10 most expensive cities in the United States.
You want to have a fun life.
You want to have a fair point.
That's the issue.
That's a fair point.
But to go back to the original subject, I would say like hookup culture, our current dating culture that especially incentivizes like the red pill stuff that especially incentivizes men to like increase their value and go and hook up with as many women as they possibly can.
Like that's something that's degenerate that's decreasing the birth rates.
To just pass off the whole like LGBTQ rates increasing as a non-factor when it comes to population replacement, I don't think that's fair.
Obviously, if you have a quarter of your population that's not interested in heterosexual monogamous relationships.
They're not a quarter.
Those are mainly bisexual.
But even bisexual, like the people, the people that are being conditioned by our culture to be interested in that, like that's obviously going to have a negative effect on birth rates.
So it does play into it.
It doesn't.
I promise you.
Could you say that?
Because if you Google every single industrialized country on earth, as they become industrialized, women have less children.
It's true.
Every single industrialized country.
He's 1,000% right.
The more a country trends towards being more industrialized, the birth rate does drop.
Yes, yes.
And that data is clear.
But the original question was: how does homosexuality contribute to decrease?
But I don't think homosexualization, like South Korea or Japan, they have some of the lowest birth rates in the world.
Also, being homosexual doesn't actually preclude you from fathering any children.
Here, let's say it's not on the top of the to-do list.
Let's get to the business.
I know physiologically.
It's not on the top of the to-do list for gay guys.
Gay guys aren't like trying to fucking start a family.
Hold on, hold on.
Let's move away from this topic because it's probably a little TOS.
It's probably a little fucking TOS.
Wait, is it?
Probably.
Population stuff?
I mean, talking about it.
I doubt it.
I doubt it's TOS.
If you want to change the subject, you can.
I do need to announce a couple things here.
I feel like you should give her, because she wanted to talk for a long time and we cut her off a lot.
You should give her a little bit of a step.
I was just going to say, I think partially the reason why women are so unhappy and not finding people is because of the very recent embrace of promiscuity, how they're putting themselves out there as like, I don't want to say whores, because that's a bit draconian, but you know, the hookup culture has really destroyed everyone, both sides, men and women.
Yeah.
100%.
Yep.
So hold on, hold on, hold on.
Okay, so we.
I mean, you feel great because you're married to like a millionaire.
Just a heads up.
Oh, wait, I'm making a lot of money myself as well.
A good amount of money.
We're making a lot of money together, actually.
Yeah.
The Streamlabs donations.
We did get, did we get a TTS that came through?
We got one.
Yeah, there was the one.
So we're having currently some issues with the donations.
Yo, that Zen is going fucking crazy on your leg, bro.
I'm sorry, bro.
It's all good.
Wow, you didn't airplane mode your phone?
No, I did.
I'm bouncing my legs.
Oh, gotcha.
It's more the intensity of the conversation.
Does it make you uncomfortable, like in a sexual way?
He's getting excited.
I am getting, yeah, I'm half-masked over here.
Okay.
Disgusting.
Haram.
Hold on.
Okay.
Haram.
Those of you who are donating through Streamlabs, just FYI, I have no idea why we've been having some issues with it.
TTS seems to be working, but I'm not able to re-trigger your donations.
So I just need to read them.
We're not going to be seeing it visible.
And so I just got to read three of these before they fall off the recent events tab.
So we have Reverend Ralph777.
Thank you for the donation, man.
Question in the statement.
Did you grow up with your biological father who is married to your biological mother?
No such thing in independent females.
Either your father, husband, pastor, or the state is in charge.
Numbers, chapters 30, L Feminism.
Okay.
I guess show of hands who here grew up with their mother and father intact.
Biological mother and father.
Biological mother and father.
Okay.
All right.
We have a non, would be interesting to hear Virgin Mary debate.
Farah, that's your friend?
Yeah.
Farah?
Mia Khalifa from a couple shows ago, both very smart and logical, but completely opposite perspectives, it seems.
I think we're going to have her back, so that could be cool to get arranged.
Quick question on Farah.
I asked her if she was interested in you.
That's so creepy.
What the fuck?
Why is that creepy?
I'm just saying, I'm trying to be your wingman, Destiny.
I'll answer that question if you tell me of you two.
Who would be the top or bottom?
Yo, what the fuck?
I'm actually going to imagine it.
All right.
Hold on.
If I'm okay with doing that.
Yeah.
Sounds great.
I don't consent.
Yeah, but you've been imagining a lot of it, some of you.
How is him asking that creepy when you've literally been graphically explaining like gay sex?
Like, oh, come, this, this, that.
You guys are the ones asking.
I know, but like, how is I?
I don't think it's creepy.
I just think it's like juvenile and childish to be like, oh, it's you and Farah, like, you know what's juvenile.
You know what's juvenile and childish?
Your refusal to just answer a basic question and continually try to get away from it.
Is it my refusal to answer that question or is like asking the question in the first place?
Why is it every time you get asked a question, you respond with another question?
And you're probably going to do it right now, but I'd like just a straight response.
Yeah?
Yeah.
Why can't you just give a straight response?
You do really like straight things, right?
Like straight people, heterosexuality.
That really is your general question.
This is like such a bad faith.
Yeah, why are you being bad faith?
I mean, you came to a dating podcast.
Why wouldn't you?
We have a womp, womp, womp stuff.
I think bad faith would be you guys saying that you just had a curiosity in their open relationship and then asking.
Now you're projecting.
I can hear my evaluation.
If you wonder, you'll ask yourself.
No one is asking.
Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
No wonder why you haven't had a boyfriend.
Shit, I don't even think I'm going to show them what you're doing now.
No?
No.
You break my heart.
Oh, sorry.
All right.
Someone.
Are you going to keep this up for the rest of the podcast?
Like, will you ask me?
You know the answer.
You know the answer.
I've been up for a long time.
I have pretty good stamina.
Like, you make me want to.
But it's like, did you just come to troll?
Of course not.
It's a very serious dating topic.
Fresh, get your girl, bro.
Fresh, get your girl.
DM her.
It's a waste of time engaging with her.
All right.
Yeah, we have to get back to the serious questions.
Like, Destiny, top or bottom.
Why are you so curious?
Kind of a bad faith question towards Destiny.
He already said he doesn't want to answer it.
True.
What are we going to talk about next, you guys?
Where were we?
We were reading super chats.
What's the next one?
Yeah, just go through the series.
And I'm still waiting on the video of him.
Eric, have you found it?
Can we talk about what's going on?
Don't pull it up yet.
Let me do the super chats or these little donations here.
Lins B, thank you for the donation for the Bunels.
Why isn't your spouse enough for you?
And why did you marry if you found them lacking?
Why not keep it a situationship?
Quick answer.
It's just fun to fuck around with other people.
Word?
Okay.
I guess it's the same thing.
Same answer.
Okay.
And nobody, thank you for the donation.
Destiny, are you on your normal amount of cocaine tonight?
Or is it a larger dose?
Doesn't seem like it's correcting the extra.
Bro, that's kind of mean.
I don't know.
Say it, read it.
sure do i have your okay it's It's like it's correcting the extra body fat, though.
Maybe do more push-ups and less push-downs from the boys.
Cheers.
Jesus.
That guy just had a video of him doing push dance.
Not my words.
Not my words.
That's all good, Dorian.
Abuse.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Don't shoot the messenger.
He probably really liked your reading that as well.
He probably was squeezing his, you know, while you were saying all that.
That's lovely.
Okay.
Oh, man.
What's next?
We have so many super chats.
Yeah, we'll see.
People love to donate money about me, so you're welcome.
I like how serious one this is.
People love to donate money to shit on me on these shows, so.
You're welcome, okay?
Read them all, okay?
Can you actually pull out your phone and send one right now?
Yeah, do you want me to fuck up and send two again?
Because I'm too retarded or too stupid to figure it out.
there like a pay pig component at all like can we you know what destiny Every single stream I have, you need to send one fuck up.
One fuck up.
And one normal one.
And one normal one.
Deal.
Is that fair?
I'll think about it.
Think about it.
Think about it.
And we'll shout you out.
So it's like some RO.
Plug my stream and stuff.
Yeah, I'll plug your stream.
What's next?
What do we got?
We'll do some more later.
Let's pull up that video.
Go ahead, Eric.
Okay.
You sure you want this?
Well, do you have a box of tissues in case I want to cry a little bit?
I have.
Ease your wife's hair.
Crying.
Oh, this is long.
Is it the beginning?
Just go to the beginning, I reckon.
Put in the part before he's going to be able to do it.
Video tapping.
Video tapping.
I'm going to put big hands around her.
Did that.
They really liked taking her away from me.
Turn you on.
It would have been more if I was turning around watching, you know.
Yeah.
The reason why my face is like so good is I'm just staring into the camera, like imagining the whole time.
Like, I wish they were in the time.
It's melt.
I think that was the worst part of the video.
Boost the audio.
No, not in the YouTube player.
Look, I haven't danced for years and I'm doing so well.
That's focusing on great.
I'm dancing.
Nope.
No, really?
We're looking at the downfall of the West.
You guys are.
This is why Russia is a little bit more.
You do look like you want to die here.
You can't deny that.
It's always how I stare at my stream.
What am I supposed to look like?
I don't know.
Maybe that's just what you look like.
I think that's in my chat.
I don't think you've ever seen me dance either.
You've never seen me dance either.
No, I don't think so.
I've been married for four years and he hasn't seen me dance yet.
I have to tell you for like a little bit, you're good, you're good, you need a close partner in that case, what she's doing, she did this, she went, that's how I knew bitch She started flexing those shoulders and then traps.
I was like, oh, I'm going to go.
Keep it going for a little bit.
You're almost done?
Ava's getting footage for his next cuck video on me thing.
True!
Wait, what did you say?
What did you say?
I said he's collecting footage for the next cuck video because I know these clips are going to show up like a million times, literally, no matter what happens.
Jesus.
I think that's pretty much all of it.
You can pause it.
Oh, my God.
Having to reload.
Destiny every day.
Your reaction.
Your reaction to the dish.
Did you feel a little something there?
Feel what?
Feel a little something.
What are you talking about?
I'm sitting for your phone.
I think they're going to be a little bit more.
Did you try to gaslight me into being like?
Melina, did you feel a little something during this?
No.
No, you didn't.
No, I'm like traumatized from my dancing because my teachers were really insane.
Gotcha.
So you guys obviously don't know.
I don't think the internet overreacted to this video and twisted it into something that it's not.
But my question is, like, why did you make your open relationship, polyamory, whatever, available public information?
Why did you start talking about it?
Why did you make it something that you can be mocked about online?
So I'm super open about almost all aspects of my life for a variety of reasons.
One is because I don't like it when people present like a false front.
There's online, I think, for social media.
We can talk about appearances.
You've got filters, makeup, plastic surgery.
Like everything online is fake.
You've got people that present their lives as being way better than they actually are.
You've got people that lie about the problems they have.
I like that I'm online.
You can see there's a lot of really good things I do.
I'm obviously well accomplished.
I'm pretty popular.
I've been doing this for 12 or 13 years.
There's a lot of mistakes that I've made, whether it's words I've said, actions I've been involved in, ways that I live my life.
And I'm really open about all of that because I think that right now in my life, I'm very happy.
I've been very happy for most of my life, but I didn't get there by being a perfect person or pretend to be a perfect person the entire time.
And I also like, I like that I can represent different things.
So, like, for instance, like, I know that, like, being by and coming on shows like this, obviously, everybody ropes me for it and says that my opinions on relationships don't matter, et cetera, et cetera.
But there's also a lot of people that are wrestling with feelings like that, and they shoot me an email, like, oh, I think it's cool that you talk about this, but it's not like your entire personality, or you don't feel bad about it, or you don't let other people tell you down about it.
So, yeah, I like to be open about all of the aspects of my life because I think it's good to show that there are a variety of lifestyles you can live, and I'm not going to let the crazy LGBT people monopolize those lifestyles, right?
So, if you think about somebody who might be polyamorous or bisexual, you're not exclusively thinking of the guy that's doing like the Can't Get Pride parade where they've got like the doggy costume on and they're running around talking to people.
I think of ugly, morbidly obese people on TikTok who are in polycules.
That's who I think of.
Yeah, that's why I'm not sure.
So, I like to do my physiognomy associated with this lifestyle.
So, you're happy that we're being opened up.
I think you're very attractive, obviously.
Oh, so wait, wait, hold on.
One second.
What the fuck is Polycule?
It's a group of people who are polyamorous with each other or whatever.
Oh, God.
Is that like a Pokemon or some shit?
It sounds like it, yeah.
Okay, question for you, Destiny.
Have you, or both of you, have you guys always been poly or any periods of monogamy or just always?
Is there a gene?
In our relationship, if there's like a lot of fighting going on, we try to like kind of tighten up for a little bit so that these are not because obviously if we're like fighting and then people are like banging other people, it's probably gonna compound it to a lot of us.
You're all gonna fire some more questions for you, Destiny.
Yeah, go for it, dude.
The Inquisitor.
These are good ideas.
These are pretty tame.
These are the things that I'm doing.
I like all of it.
Yeah, go ahead.
Are you running through chicks in Miami?
No, I don't.
Sexual.
Okay.
For me, sexual relationships are fun because one, I like women.
Two, I like the friendships that I have with women.
And then three, it's fun to be sexual with people that you have friendships with that are women.
Those are like fun things for me to explore.
But it's not about running up a body count.
It's not the like, oh my god, I fucked somebody.
It's just like a fun activity that I like to engage with.
That's the connection you can have with someone when you get closer with them.
Are you sure?
Yeah, that'd be good for the memes.
It's just more fun when you can connect and be closer with someone.
Like physically as well.
Because you get to know someone a lot deeper than just going out to eat or whatever.
Hanging out for a long time or closer is a lot more fun.
But because I get the impression, I think you probably have fucking killer game, dude.
And you're in Miami.
Yeah, you gotta be running through the chicks.
Hold on, wait, wait.
Number one, game is very relative to the crowd that you're in, right?
I think I do have really good game, but only with a certain style of girl.
If you would have put me into a fucking nightclub in Miami for like a year, I might fuck one chick if I'm lucky.
Because that is like totally not my scene.
But if you went on like a bunch of people, don't undersell yourself.
No, but if you went on like a college campus with like nerdier chicks or like chicks that are more into like, you know, whatever shit you'd be studying, they probably do.
Exactly, yeah.
Or like gamer girls or people that are into like music or whatever.
I do a lot better.
So it depends on like the scene.
So like in Miami, like I'm not like out there like banging chicks like BBLs and shit.
I don't even know if I could ever score it like that ever.
I would never be able to do it.
I'm with you about.
Okay, so leave me hanging.
No, no.
I wish I saw the Germans who you were earlier, and I don't know if there's like a message.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
That was a good question.
Question to add on to Brian's.
Are you running through dudes in Miami?
Jesus Christ.
No, not typically now.
You really are still asking, still asking.
I mean, curious.
Maybe.
I'm curious.
I have some thoughts underneath all of this, and I'm not going to tell what it comes to.
I'm curious.
Somewhere about it.
He's running through children.
Somewhere about he's running through dudes.
Yeah, you're looking for tips or what?
Not exactly.
No, I'm fine.
I'll pass.
I'll pass.
Banter tonight.
I feel sexually harassed right now.
Has been taught to be right.
You're the one that's rubbing your leg against this guy like a horny dog.
How can I not look at him, man?
Okay.
And that's the wig off.
But I agree with you there as far as the BBLs and the fake tits and everything.
To be clear, hold on.
I'm not saying that if you want to do the BBL stuff and all that, that's totally fine.
I'm not judging that.
I'm just saying that that's not my scene.
Like girls that are the same type of girl.
Yeah, they would hate me and I probably wouldn't get along with them.
Question for you.
Very serious question.
Have you hooked up with any of the girls who have been on Fresh and Fit?
I'm not going to talk about it.
Okay, here's like a broad rule that I have.
That's a bad game.
No, no, here's a broad rule that I have to, okay?
One is a lot of women that do hook up with streamers or whatever don't like to ever be public about it for a variety of reasons.
Because you look bad, there's associations, it's just too dramatic.
And then, two, I will never on shows, I will never confirm or deny certain types of girls.
Because what happens is if I deny some and I say no comment for others, people will start to like piece together.
So I usually, just as a rule of thumb, I don't ever like out people.
If somebody else wants to talk about it, I'm like, oh, yeah, we hooked up, whatever, but I'll never be like the first one to out stuff like that.
Fair enough.
A gentleman.
Thanks.
True gentleman.
Okay.
So you two requested initially to come on and then you also wanted Destiny to join us.
You two describe yourselves as feminists.
Is that?
Yeah.
So what does that mean to you to be a feminist?
I believe in equal rights between women and men.
Okay.
I believe that a woman should have the right to choose whether she wants to stay at home and be traditional.
I think that's cool.
If she wants to go to the workforce, I think that's cool as well.
I just think that they should have those opportunities available to them.
To me, it just means gender equity, liberation, and the promotion of women's success financially, socially, economically.
You said equity there.
What do you mean by equity?
Because equality I have a fairly good understanding of, but equity is a bit more.
I think modern iterations of feminism have kind of moved away from trying to find equality and complete and total parity between the sexes and the genders in like a one-to-one way.
I think it's less about trying to find this golden mean that's probably never going to exist and more about like where do we see deficiencies for the genders and on the basis of sex or gender and how can we accommodate everybody and make sure everybody's needs are being met and that nobody's being discriminated against on that basis alone.
On the subject of gender, if I may ask, what is a woman?
Bro.
This is a million dollar question.
Don't even bother asking Erin that question.
You're just going to get another question.
Maybe she wants to answer it.
I mean, okay.
So I feel like every single time I try to come up an answer with this and I try to think it logically through, I run into some problems.
So usually what I try to do is I do ask other people to define it first because I'd rather work on their definition and see if everything tracks.
Because so far every definition that's been presented to me, like there's some logical coins, okay, but what is a woman?
Just to me, a woman seems to be somebody who presents as a woman, who acts as a woman societally.
You can't use the same term in the definition of the term.
That's not 100% true.
If you know about functional definitions, that's like, I don't want to get into behavioral psych, that's going to be a whole other thing.
But basically, we have these conceptions of what a woman is, how they present, certain feminine features, certain ways that they dress.
And we tend to say, okay, if you wear skirts, dresses, have long hair, that's a woman.
So whether it should be considered that or not is a completely different story that then starts running into logical inconsistencies.
Consider Gorlock a woman.
I don't know who Gorlock is.
The fat fuck.
I don't know who that is.
But I would love to.
Pixie, if I look at somebody and they identify as a woman, but I don't know that, and I just totally register that person as a man in my mind, and that's how I interact with them, then is that person a woman?
Well, that's where we start running into logical inconsistencies, right?
I would say basically the main thing is identifier, right?
Why is that the main thing, though?
Because when we say chromosomes, when we say biology and try to use that definition, the reality here is that I did not check anybody's chromosomes in here before calling them a man or a woman.
Or genitals.
There are a lot of other micro calculations that your brain is making about someone's appearance, which makes you register them as either one or the other.
Exactly.
We're making assumptions based on appearances, not genitalia or chromosomes.
So there seems to be some sort of inconsistency if we try to define it biologically because we don't actually act that way in reality.
I didn't check your genitalia.
I didn't check your chromosomes.
I just assumed because of how you presented yourself that you were a woman.
So I agree.
Like it's a complicated subject.
It feels like there's inconsistencies whenever we try to define it.
Like, hey, but wait a second.
Just because I wear short hair, does that make me not a woman anymore?
Of course not.
So it is a complicated subject.
I'm not here to pretend I have all the answers.
Actually, I don't think we find a complicated.
John, what do you think about that?
I think that you're intellectualizing it too much.
I think if we took 100 people and just had them identify every person at this panel, are you a man or are you a woman?
They would with 100% accuracy be able to discern the biological sex even without seeing the chromosomes or the genitalia, they would know.
That's definitely not true.
That's absolutely true.
You could find like femme boys and stuff on Twitter that are more feminine than the most feminine women.
You're right.
And so here's sort of the problem.
I don't like the way that the conservatives, and in particular some of the Daily Wire crowd, handle this.
I understand why they do it.
They're trying to attack the problem head on.
But you're right when you say it's not sufficient to define a woman by her biology.
You know, if you say like this sort of crude, you know, people make a lot of money now selling t-shirts, like real women don't have dicks.
And it's like, okay, yeah, well, real women also shouldn't speak that way, frankly.
It's sort of like your definition earlier, for example.
Like, I couldn't ask you what an ant is and you couldn't reply, like, an ant is a creature that acts like an ant.
Like, there has to be some way that that creature is behaving naturally.
And I think that women in their natural state tend to, not always, but tend to behave a certain way and tend to look a certain way.
And conservatives, I think, are afraid to acknowledge that because we have so much internalized feminism and liberalism in the sense that we don't want to pretend that that exists, like that women act a certain way and men act a certain way.
And so we do want to keep it in a comfortable area, a comfortable area of like, oh, well, my biology textbook says this, and you know, you look like this.
But in the next 10, 15 years, Chase and I were talking about this earlier, as the surgeries continue, as the hormones continue, the makeup, you won't be able to tell.
And it won't be sufficient to just look at somebody and be able to say, oh, you're a man or you're a woman.
And so it can't purely be cosmetic.
It can't purely be biological.
It's almost this like metaphysical discussion that I don't think anyone's ready to have.
So in a way, the woke people are actually more correct because they're trying to have a conversation about the essence of gender.
And the right is just like, oh, well, men and women, there's only two of them.
And that's just a losing point of view.
So I actually agree in a way with what you're saying.
I just don't agree with the conclusion.
Part of the reason why I asked the question, you mentioned that you're a feminist and you believe in fighting for women's rights, so on and so forth.
And there's this interesting thing that started to happen in our society where I've seen a number of articles about this in recent years.
It came up on a couple podcasts ago.
There are biological males that are being convicted of crimes.
And before they go to their sentencing, they all of a sudden start identifying as women and they get sent to female prisons where they will then go to the female prisons and they will rape the female inmates and impregnate them.
Chase, bro.
Sorry, I forgot, dude.
They will rape them.
A little too late.
Scuffed, dude.
Yeah, sorry.
Anyways, like as somebody who believes in fighting for women's rights, don't you feel like that kind of jeopardizes women's rights?
I think that when it comes to the whole idea of a sudden makeshift gender saying, oh no, like suddenly I identify as a woman so I can get into women's prison and rape women.
That is something.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I keep saying I'm sorry.
Keep going.
But yeah, that is something that would be worrisome.
Absolutely.
And that kind of goes back to this whole idea of like, okay, how long should a person be able to present?
Or are there other markers that we can actually like, the psychologists can talk to you, have a real conversation and be able to determine like what are your true like incentives or motives?
I don't know how common these cases are.
I do feel, and I just bring this up, not to try to derail.
Let me just say that the day we had that conversation, it happened again later that day.
Like it's probably pretty common.
I mean, the reason why I kind of want to push back on that is because 1% of the population in the United States is trans, right?
So that means like the percentage of people who are trans and also going to jail are probably like less than, if I had to guess, like less than 0.2 or 0.3%, right?
So it just doesn't seem like it would actually be.
Unless if you have stats saying the majority of trans people are going to jail, we might actually have an overrepresentation.
Hold on one second.
It could be happening in jail.
It could be happening in women's restrooms.
Like these kind of assaults happen all over the place.
And it's like, for me, it's like, okay, I hear you say that you're a feminist, but it's like, I feel like a true feminist would really work to protect actual biological women from this whole situation being taken advantage of.
Assault is already illegal, though.
I'd like to add on to that.
Yeah, it's already illegal, but it's being made easy.
It doesn't mean it's being made.
I just know I'm not saying it doesn't mean that it's not.
It's being made easier.
It's being made easier as a result of the direction that our society has gone in.
And it's like, I feel, you know, women who stand against this stuff, they call them TERFs, right?
Trans exclusionary, radical feminists.
But it's like, I feel like there's nothing radical about it.
I feel like a true feminist would actually work to protect her sisters when stuff like this is coming up.
Mr. Chase, may I add on to that?
I just wanted to ask, how masculine in the face does someone have to be before you're uncomfortable in a bathroom with them?
What do you mean?
That's a question.
How masculine in the face does someone have to be before you yourself?
I'm asking you.
Have you ever been in the bathroom with like a butch lesbian?
I have.
I'm asking you.
Okay, but butch lesbian, like, by definition, present pretty masculinely and yesterday.
We know they're women.
They're clearly still women.
I'd like for you to let me finish.
I'm asking you personally, how masculine in the face does someone have to be before you yourself feel uncomfortable and unsafe in the bathroom with them?
I honestly wouldn't feel uncomfortable or unsafe in the bathroom unless if that person, and also this applies to cis women as well.
Unless if that person started trying to like interact with me somewhere in the bathroom, right?
If you saw Chase in the women's restroom, how would you react?
How would you react if you saw Buck Angel in the women's restroom?
I think this is the issue, right?
It's like Buck Angel is a trans man who's very masculine.
Yeah, okay.
But they have a vagina.
I'm assuming I don't think that's a vision.
I got to catch up on all this.
Hulk Hogan with a vagina in the bathroom.
Would that not make you feel like that?
Andrew Tate did a very interesting video on this where he asked.
But it's like if I saw Buck Angel in the men's bathroom, I'd be like, okay, whatever.
I don't care.
Yeah, but I feel like Buck Angel wasn't the woman's mother.
If you went into the women's restroom?
Yeah, well, women are more vulnerable than men, so it matters less who is going into the men's bathroom.
No, no, no.
We're saying if you take Hulk Hogan and you give him a vagina, and then he enters a woman's restroom, when you see them, you're going to say, like, oh my God, like, you know, that's a male or whatever, but you don't know they have a vagina.
So the question becomes like a lot more like murky or the answer to the question becomes a lot more murky because you're saying like, oh, how masculine do they have to look before you're uncomfortable?
But at the end of the day, they have a vagina, or they have a magician.
Because if you gave Hulk Hogan a male vagina, he'd still be a man.
I feel like they gave him a vagina.
him a vagina via a sex operation if you have a woman if you have a woman if you have a woman or somebody who was biologically born female whatever um and they start injecting like that's the definition Okay, okay, okay.
If you have a woman or like biologically born female, that's the definition you're working with, and they start injecting themselves with like steroids, start, you know, grinding, start working out, get surgery to get, you know, their wobs replaced, whatever.
Now they're this like super muscular person that looks like a guy, and they go into the woman's restroom.
Would that be okay with you guys?
No, probably not, actually.
I don't think the female body is like ready to process those kinds of hormones.
One of you also mentioned the butch lesbian.
Have you seen the rates of domestic violence among those types of couples?
I wouldn't, frankly, want them.
Maybe they should have like their own bathrooms or something.
I think it would be like an LGBT bathroom.
Yes, I feel like you're not going to be able to do that.
Someone actually couldn't do that.
Would you say that men are not vulnerable, which is absolutely insane?
Well, no, no, I think the argument is women are not necessarily vulnerable in bathrooms.
There's not like this epidemic.
They are more vulnerable than men.
Wait, hold on.
None.
There's not this epidemic of bathroom rapes.
Okay, this is like a really fantastic scenario.
Number one, grapes.
Grapes.
Number two, okay.
And I don't know if this is, like, an SNL skit or something, but, like, if a Grapist is chasing you and you're a woman, it's not like running into the bathroom is going to protect you, right?
So the idea that, like— Nobody was proposing that it would.
was proposing that it would but then but if there's somebody that wants to be considered socially acceptable It's just.
No, it's not.
Hold on.
No, no, wait.
In some countries, okay, so like in Sweden, for instance, there's just bathrooms where everybody goes in and there's like an individual.
There's plenty of these places that exist.
Nobody's out there graping everybody all over the bathrooms.
This is like such a niche.
Sweden like the grape capital of the world.
Yeah, no, that's because they have a more general redefinition to open up what they considered grape 2018 in terms of number one, but I'm just saying that like, I think that there's a valid reason to talk about protecting women's spaces.
I think there's a really good conversation to be had about, like women's sports, but the bathroom example is one of the silliest, weirdest things that gets brought up constantly.
There is not an epidemic of people getting graped in the bathroom, and if there was, a female sign with a dress is not going to stop a grape.
Why do women need to come up with a reason that they don't want men in the bathroom with them, though?
Why do they need a specific reason like that?
Why can't it just be then uncomfortable?
You don't.
You're the one that's pretending.
They need the reason because if you say no, i'm not, you are, because if you say i'm uncomfortable with somebody being in the bathroom just because like, I feel like the women's bathroom should be just for people with vaginas or whatever, that's a fine argument.
You can start there, but when it's like, i'm worried they're gonna assault me.
That's part of it, but it's certainly not all that part.
You are correct with the assault act on real quick because I cut her off.
Okay, at what point does someone else's comfort, at what point should that be prioritized over someone else's safety?
The problem is, whose comfort?
Because we always talk about this on the biological women's.
You say that.
But so, for instance, let's say that i'm a traditional father and I want to take my boy to the bathroom.
Okay, let's say he's six years old, and then Blair White comes walking into the bathroom.
You would defend that because you said, well, she's a biological male.
But I might feel really uncomfortable if i'm a traditional male, if i'm a Christian man.
As a man, you're far more able to protect yourself and yourself.
No, hold on, hold on, hold on.
We're not talking about who's getting assaulted.
I'm just saying in terms of comfort, because earlier you said it's just about comfort in the bathroom.
So if i'm a traditional male, i'm a Christian man, and all of a sudden somebody like Blair White walks up to the stall and starts peeing in, and my six-year-old son is there and he's like dad.
Uh, I didn't know women could do that.
Well, what am I supposed to say now?
My comfort is being violated, right?
So I feel like there has to be like a better middle ground here other than, like all trans people have been that's.
That's the point.
You don't say, my comfort is being violated, son.
You say son, that's a biological male but he's pretending to be a woman?
Yeah, but that conversation is going to be really complicated.
I don't think so.
It could.
We live in a crazy world, son.
There's a lot of crazy, always.
Live in a crazy world.
Okay, it's getting crazy.
I think America's at all-time high.
Craziness yeah, we're at.
Like, if you think that we're at an all-time high just goes to show how good the country is that the biggest problem you have are who's going into whose bathroom.
Okay like, there are countries that are at war right now, there are multiple countries bringing genocides right now and there are tons of horrible problems around the world.
If your biggest issue is who's going into the bathroom, that doesn't dicker nights, I think you're doing okay.
That's not the biggest issue.
What's the biggest issue?
No, let's take an educational issue in America.
That's totally beyond the screen.
I think homelessness on the west Coast is an extreme issue.
That would be something that I would consider being an extreme issue, An issue regardless.
This is an issue regardless.
And you're out here saying, oh, there's wars being fought.
Well, that's not what's going on here.
Sure.
Well, there are kind of a lot of people.
I'm just saying that if you want to have a conversation about the bathroom, okay, I think it's valid to say, I feel a little bit uncomfortable if there are people that clearly look like a man entering the bathroom.
And there's a lot of trans people that agree with that too.
I think that's a fine conversation.
But when it goes into this very weird world of like, I think they're going to do these essays and these, like, all this stuff going on, like, I don't think sexual assaults.
I don't think that that's a legitimate concern.
Bathroom aside, I think it's a principle of it.
I think the discussion is safety and whatnot.
I think the bathroom has little to do with it.
I think it's just a principle of the same thing.
And again, you're like saying you're using but, but then you're agreeing with me.
It's a big question.
I don't disagree with you.
Yeah, if you want to argue the principle, you can argue the principle.
But don't fixate on like essays in the bathroom or transparency.
No, no, no, you're the one who's fixating on essays in the bathroom.
We're getting lost in the week.
I want to come back.
I want to come back to say, by the way, can I have everyone just scoot their cups into the table a little bit?
You were fixating on essays in the bathroom for the past five years.
I think we should read it.
Let's redirect the conversation.
So initially, what I was asking you two is: you two, when you contacted me, you said you both were feminists, and you kind of described a little bit about what that means.
I suppose my question is: what do you believe in as a feminist?
And chiefly, do you believe in the patriarchy theory?
Yes, I believe in the patriarchy.
I believe that there is like historical examples of the United States being a patriarchy.
And I still think that there are certain ways where it currently exists.
I think, interestingly enough, I think in some ways you guys are actually pushing against that when you guys are talking against promiscuity in men.
Because I think historically it's been accepted this idea that, oh, you know, if a man sleeps around, he's just a player.
He's just being the alpha.
And that's a patriarchal notion.
So I actually agree with you guys in the sense that, like, hey, you know what?
Like, sleeping around men or women, like, that's not necessarily a good idea.
But yes, I do believe that, like, in the general patriarchy and that there are still like examples of it currently going on.
Okay.
Do you think we live in the patriarchy?
Yes, I do.
And I think, like, building off of like, I think the question that you asked me was like more related to what my definition of feminism is.
I gave it to you a bit earlier, but I also like to explain it to people: feminism really is just like a neutral tool and way of analyzing and understanding the world around us and looking at it through gender relations or sex relations.
You can arrive at conservative conclusions or like liberal left-leaning conclusions through it.
There's many examples of conservative feminists, like rad femmes, turfs, third-wave feminists, like all of these groups are kind of at odds with each other.
Yeah, they broadly fall under like we advocate for women's rights, but the way that they decide to go about it is completely different.
So there's not one coherent definition of like this feminist ideology guides this group of women or people, because really anybody can claim to be a feminist or employ feminism.
And I just feel like it is a useful tool for anybody to use because wouldn't you agree that the lives of men and women are so different that to analyze them through that structure is often interesting and insightful.
So you think feminism is a useful tool?
Yes.
Okay.
And just really quick, just to bring you two into it, I don't know if you guys identify as feminist destiny.
Consider yourself feminist.
Okay.
So I think to be clear, that term has become so broad that it's kind of like meaningless, right?
Sure.
Like one way of fighting for equity as a feminist could just be that like any kind of like structural barriers that women face entering like certain fields of education should be removed.
But other people might argue that like do those even exist?
They have a better chance of getting accepted usually when you're a woman.
Sure.
Most of the ones that exist now are probably like cultural in nature.
And a lot of those I think have been largely eroded, probably especially over the past 10 or 20 years.
But then there are other feminists that will push for way, more radical stuff depending on where you want to go on the political spectrum.
So it just kind of depends on what you have.
Sure.
And just so I have a, just so we all agree on definitions here, what is the patriarchy?
Speak bookman.
The patriarchy is basically this idea that there has been like this system of oppression that mostly benefits men and is in the, what is it, detriment of women.
Now, the patriarchy also negatively affects men.
A lot of people have this misconception that's like, oh, the patriarchy only benefits men.
Men aren't hurt by it.
No, there are clear examples of ways that men are hurt by the patriarchy.
But this idea that it basically usually favors men or puts them on top to the detriment of women, generally speaking.
Can you give some examples of how men have been boosted ahead and women have been detrimentally damaged due to the patriarchy?
How men have been detrimentally damaged?
No, how your original point was women are damaged to put men up in the patriarchy.
Do you have some examples?
Yes, and I think this is kind of a unique space because every other red pill space I've been in has had this idea that like men should like continue like sleeping around and trying to like, you know, like deflower women and like not marry them and just like, you know, like fuck around, have fun.
And continuously, basically, like if women decide to like follow that lead, oh, they're stupid whores.
They're like dumb bitches.
Like, you know, they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
Like, you know, they should just shut the fuck up and go away, right?
And I feel like that's a very clear example of like these men reap the benefits of sex while simultaneously looking down on the woman that they're reaping those benefits from.
How's that related to patriarchy?
Yeah.
How's that to a woman's detriment?
Like guys aren't going out with guns and putting up to women's head like you better fucking have sex with me.
Like they're out here getting it in on their own.
Well, it's detrimental to women because when it comes to things like, oh, like the workforce or when it comes to being taken seriously, it's like voicing their opinions, their ideas, trying to break into like certain fields.
Now they're just, instead of actually viewing the woman as a whole human being, they're judged only on the basis of his women's.
Hold on, hold on.
There's no logical connection to the menu.
You're seeing the advantage of women largely though.
No, no, hold on, hold on.
You just said that woman sleeping around is directly related to her getting a job.
That's the kind of thing.
If I am trying to, and this is like my missed out on that.
Can I please finish my sentence?
Go ahead.
Okay.
If I am trying to apply to a professional job, and let's say I made the mistake of having OnlyFans or something in the past, and somebody sends that to my employer, or if somebody's like, oh, you know, like the way that she dresses or she gives off like slut vibes or whatever, people might see that as like, oh, like unprofessional.
And she might be even like the smart, let's say she's extremely smart, intelligent, you know, has multiple degrees, whatever.
Because of those mistakes in the past, now it's going to be really hard for her to be taken seriously in a professional sense.
Sounds like the consequences of your own actions.
That's like the opposite of that.
Yeah, yeah, wait, wait, wait.
So wait, wait.
Like, how would a guy not experience the exact same degradation if he had an OnlyFans?
And they're like, oh, this guy used to do like feet smelling.
I don't know what the fuck they do.
But, you know, and that was sent to an employer.
How would that like, you know?
Well, the precepts.
Wait, hold on.
How would that like unequally affect the man in a negative way the same way it would affect the woman in a negative way?
Because using that as an example to prove that men are using the patriarchy to keep women down.
So that example doesn't hold up because it affects up to both sides of the sexes.
Well, generally speaking, when a man sleeps around a lot and we can even go to Fresh and Fit, we can go to all these other red pill spaces.
They are claimed to be high value men.
Like they are claimed to be like these men who are, you know, like, oh, the men want to be like them.
Like, oh, you should continue sleeping around.
Look at all these strategies.
I am very appreciative that right now that this space doesn't agree with that.
But the truth of the matter is that all these other spaces promoting the red pill, they say the complete opposite.
They say men should sleep around a lot.
There's no sense.
So you're trying to say like a guy could be like, hey, I want to be a doctor and let me show you these 30 fucking sluts from Miami I fucked.
And that's not going to benefit me.
I'm like so charismatic and so influential.
I can convince like 30 women to sleep.
Are you saying that patriarchy would be better?
Are you saying that are you acting like a female?
The gest of what she's saying is that there tends to be greater social repercussions for women that have engaged in sexuality.
Well, openly.
If you take an OnlyFans to your job application, be like, look, I want to be this fucking X-ray tech, but I also suck like 30 dudes' dicks.
Maybe 10 years ago, but we're neglecting that the people who staff HR departments are overwhelmingly like these girl bosses.
This is an anecdote.
But I watched a documentary called Life After Porn, and they analyzed the differences between male porn stars and talent after they left the industry and female porn stars after they left the industry.
And the women, overwhelmingly in that documentary, were socially ostracized and ended up getting back into the industry, whereas the men were able to get away from the public.
I would argue that that's not actually unfair because there are a lot of people who are unfair.
I'm literally saying that that was sexual, and that was what the documentary was.
I mean, all you have to do is.
Okay, hold on.
Hold on.
So, I mean, but if you look at most adult content, oftentimes there's always a female name, but half the time you don't even see the male, you don't know the male actor.
So, I mean, there's differences on that level, but I would suspect, going back to your point, I would suspect if you take two people, a woman, a man, they both did adult content, they're trying to get a job.
I think it's going to kind of reflect poorly on both of them if it's like a job that requires some sort of decorum or seriousness.
I understand what you're saying, and you're basically saying, oh, there's a general stigma against sex work, which is true.
But it's not that.
But that's the one example you go to when I'm asking about the patriarchy.
You asked for one example, and I gave you a lot of money.
That was a bad example.
Can I take a step of this?
Okay.
I think when people talk about the patriarchy, in the broadest of sense, what we're really saying is that historically speaking, men have kind of been granted all of the autonomy in directing society.
And women are, even though in some ways they're benefiting from the patriarchy, they're kind of like the subjects of men.
So men exist to make decisions financially.
They're the leaders of business.
They're the leaders of banks.
Men exist to make decisions about wars and the state of the country.
They're the head of the political systems.
They're our presidents.
There are congressmen.
And men are the ones making decisions about how women live their lives.
They're the head of the household.
They're the ones working jobs predominantly.
So they're choosing where people live.
So when people criticize the patriarchy, in some ways, the patriarchy benefits and hurts men.
In some ways, the patriarchy benefits and hurts women.
But I think what people are generally looking at is the autonomous aspect.
That in patriarchy, even if you are benefited and hurt a bit as a man, ultimately, you have a lot of autonomy.
You've got a lot of different ways that you can decide to live your life.
Some of these come out in good ways, like you can have jobs, you can be single, you can do whatever.
Some of these come out in bad ways.
You're more likely to join the military or work really shitty jobs.
And then same thing with women.
There are ways that it can benefit you or hurt you.
It can benefit you in that you don't have to work.
You can stay home and take care of a kid.
It can hurt you in that you're subjugated to a pretty narrow set of roles.
But the main issue is that feminists would argue that in a patriarchal system, the man has a much wider range to express his desires and how he wants to exist in the world.
Whereas women are kind of like, you have to do this one thing, otherwise you're going to be heavily socially, or somebody's even legally ostracized for it.
Which is like the broadest argument.
I disagree with you a little bit there on your last point.
I think actually if you look at kind of the options that women have, I think they have more options than do men.
For example, in terms of partnering up with a woman, I would say men overwhelmingly, you know, women have kind of two choices.
They can find a man who's prepared to provide for them.
They can be the stay-at-home.
Not all women are going to be able to secure that option, but it's there for some women.
To be clear, before you, I'm just saying historically, as society exists today, it's a lot different than it was in the 1800s, right?
I'm just saying historically when we talk about patriarchy.
Because as it exists today, a lot of what is quote-unquote patriarchy is really we're talking about very nuanced social pressures and a little bit of litigation.
So maybe around like abortion.
But broadly speaking, a lot of the issues related to women and having freedom of society have been ameliorated.
Women can go to school, they can have jobs, they can exist on their own.
Like, largely speaking, they've got a lot more freedom now than they did even 50 years ago.
Well, sure, sure.
Thanks largely induce to feminists.
Gotcha.
And just to bring it back to you guys, I mean, my sense of the patriarchy, it's basically queueing on for feminists.
But so it's like a conspiracy theory.
Wait, wait, we've got to continue to use the number one weakness of feminism, which is accountability.
So you said that men are being lifted up and women are being put under men, and men are having like these gigantic leaps and bounds in today's modern society at the detriment of women.
That's what the patriarchy is.
It's just like this big phantom boogeyman that's here to oppress all women.
So I just wanted you to clarify on your point because you didn't give an example.
Destiny had to jump in.
So what's your example?
Because you used only fans on a fan.
I was trying to use a fancy.
Okay, first of all, the general point I was trying to make is that if you find out a guy has slept with 30 women, a lot of people see that guy as like a player, as charismatic, et cetera, et cetera.
If you find out a woman has slept with 30 men.
I'm from the streets.
Okay, I think I think that that's the same thing.
No, no, no.
But beyond that, I think it comes from the objective differences between male and female sexuality, not from a cultural stigma that has just been artificially imbued into us.
There are objective differences between the decisions that women make in the so-called sexual marketplace and the decisions that men make in it because women are the gatekeepers of sex.
Okay, can you explain to that?
Or I'm just, I'm genuinely curious.
I just want to understand like your logic and your thought process.
But hold on.
Still no example?
Wait, hold on.
I just got to interrupt you really quick.
Still no example?
I'll give you your example.
Hold on.
Let me just interrupt you really quick here.
I feel fucking terrible having the straw man for a feminist, but like you keep going back to this body count thing.
I'm anti-feminist, but I'm familiar with feminist arguments.
Like this whole men and women being judged differently because of on their sexuality is like such a low priority for feminists.
I'm confused why that's your first thing that you're going through.
I know it's related to dating.
Were you saying that?
I mean you asked for one example.
You didn't ask for like a moment.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Were you saying that that was a benefit for men of the patriarchy, that men are able to sexually take advantage of women?
Yes, but also the reason why I brought that up is because since you guys kept repeating like this is a dating podcast, like oh, you know, relationships, that was one of the first things that my mind went to.
But I do have other examples of like patriarchal structures.
Before we get to that, before we get to it, I find this very, very fascinating.
So are you acknowledging that men running through women, that's a bad thing?
Yes, but society as a whole doesn't seem to agree with my opinion.
Doesn't seem to agree with that.
And you're saying men running through women, this is one of the negative aspects of patriarchy, and it's one of the things that men benefit from when it comes to patriarchy.
Is that correct?
Would you say?
Society as a whole views that as a benefit to men.
That's what I'm saying.
I have my personal opinion that's disagreeing with that.
But in general, if we're talking about how society generally abuses a patriarchy, how society generally abuses women and men, society generally will prop up a man if he engages in that behavior.
Is that because of patriarchy, you're saying?
I do think that's an extension of patriarchy.
This idea that men are more capable, that men are stronger, and therefore those actions are supposed to indicate strength.
I have one thing, one thing really quickly.
I'm trying to make a point.
He's trying to make a point, God.
Let him make a story.
I've listened.
He's put his mic on the table.
He's leaning forward.
One thing.
I've listened for 20 minutes.
Please.
Just one thing.
Oh, my God.
Is the patriarchy stronger now?
Or was it stronger, say, 100 years ago?
Oh, it was stronger 100 years ago.
I think we've made great advancements.
And so you're blaming, but the patriarchy was stronger, say, 100 years ago.
But now in today's day and age, when it's ostensibly the weakest it's ever been, how can you pinch?
Let me tell you where you're going.
This is kind of, he's leading to my point, okay?
You and I both agree that men running through women is detrimental to our society, correct?
Yes.
The argument that I would make is in years past, when there were stronger patriarchal structures over society, there were decreased rates of men running through women because we had greater amounts of tradition in society.
This whole sexual liberation thing that is intimately tied into feminism, I would say that feminism is largely to blame for so many women in our society getting run through because earlier in the conversation, Destiny was making the point that nowadays we live in a society where a lot of women, both liberal and conservative alike, they want to go and build their careers and they want to go and enjoy their lives and a big part of that enjoyment of their lives involves being sexually free in their 20s.
That thing that you dislike, that is a fruit of feminism.
And it's one of the things historically that patriarchy protected against because traditionally speaking, it was a father's job to protect his daughter's virginity and her purity and all that kind of stuff.
That's like that's a good thing for society.
The sexual liberation stuff that's burning women is a fruit of feminism.
No, that's a very, sorry, let me just respond to that quickly.
All right.
That's a very interesting point.
However, when I look at historically examples of what has happened between men and women's relationships, you still have structures of the patriarchy that still incentivize men to either sleep around or not face negative repercussions necessarily for sleeping around until the advent of feminism also tried to help fight against that.
So let me just finish.
I think it's absolute top of society though.
And it's a lot of amounts of men.
It was nowhere near like it is today.
But the idea that like, oh, if a man cheats on you, it's the woman's fault.
She was not a good enough wife.
She was not good enough, whatever, existed for decades, right?
This idea that like, oh, sorry, I kind of lost my train of thought.
Okay, I just imagine patriarchy, infidelity, and marriage was frowned upon for everyone.
Yes.
It was frowned upon for everyone, but women before the advent of feminism weren't able to break away from those from that.
I just wanted to say that.
They were stuck in these things.
They were stuck in these cycles where it was like, okay, my husband cheats on me.
Or my husband leaves me.
He's an alcoholic.
He's doing all this.
Well, because there's no fault divorce, I'm stuck with him.
I have to take this abuse.
He could be physically abusive.
But those were situations with fault for divorce that was grounds for divorce, abuse, racialism.
But even then, the idea that you have to seize cheating as grounds for divorce.
Even then, even then, the idea that you have to go through this whole court process to prove that your husband actually did this stuff to you and that you didn't deserve it, right?
Because those were the thoughts back in the day that if your husband does anything to you, well, it's your fault because you weren't a good enough wife, you weren't a good enough mother, whatever, did stop women from being able to be liberated or be able to get the rights that they deserved.
Kind of like what men have to go through nowadays with false rape accusations and all that.
Yep.
Yeah, nowadays the reasons for divorce aren't the things you've listed.
It's literally just rape accusations.
I feel vaguely excited about it.
Can I just say, I think that you are actively perpetuating the patriarchy that you're cursing and blaming everything on by endorsing like OnlyFans and stuff by saying when did I ever endorse?
Well, just by like promoting the stuff like when did I promote it?
Earlier.
When did I promote it?
You started bringing OnlyFans into things as if like people judging you.
Well, I said like, yeah, women are judged for having OnlyFans.
That was the most niche example ever.
Should women know.
And if they are false rape accusations, it's a very niche example.
I think you're preparing.
Fair play, fair play.
I mean, come on, Destiny.
Come on.
Hey, everybody, adopting everybody.
Everybody, for the sake of Brian's channel, if we're going to talk about essay, let's use the word grape.
So for essay, though, Destiny, come on, pulling up like, oh, we see you may have had an OnlyFans account.
No, but drawmanning me.
I used OnlyFans as an example, but what I was trying to elaborate, which I'm saying, is that even without OnlyFans, if you find out or a rumor or whatever that a woman has slept around with 30 men, they're going to look down on that woman.
Forget OnlyFans.
It's more feminist to hold women accountable for their actions and believe that they have full agency over their sexuality and hold them accountable when they've done things unwise with their sexuality.
And that's a feminist option than considering them to be just tiny, like angel babies who have to be defended no matter what they do.
And as a feminist, I agree, but I also think we should hold men accountable for these actions.
Well, who do you want?
Who do you think?
You seem to think that women shouldn't be judged for having an OnlyFans.
Let's let Billy.
What?
Sorry, can you repeat that?
You seem to think that women should not be judged for choosing to do porn.
I think it depends on the circumstance.
Absolutely circumstances.
Okay.
I'm sorry.
There are so many women who get into sex trafficking who start OnlyFans because they get the, you know, that's not the example that you gave us.
You gave me OnlyFans.
No, I was giving a general example of like, oh, the idea of when women are judged more harshly.
Women.
But if you want, I'm going to elaborate now or I'm going to clarify now.
That's just an example, right?
There are, you asked, oh, you think women should never be judged for OnlyFans?
I never said that.
I do think that there are certain scenarios where they should not be judged scenarios.
About all scenarios.
Hold on, for the sake of conversation, we could go around and around and around with this, but you have like kind of like every single answer you give, it's kind of qualified.
Like in some cases, this, but in other cases, it's almost like it's a nuanced discussion that's not going to be a good idea.
Yeah, I mean, you can trend towards yes, no answers.
You can make every single thing nuanced is the point, but it's not fruitful for the overall discussion.
I want to hear this.
I want to press it.
I want to hear what's going on.
Billy was waiting for Billy coming.
I just have a question.
As feminists, who do you think is more at a disadvantage or more discriminated against in today's society?
Men or women?
Hey, Nev, move your mic.
You're going to hate me for responding this, but what metric are you using?
Like, what are you, are you saying, like, in the no, you guys are acting like I'm crazy.
No, I'm not crazy.
And I understand the frustration.
We're not acting.
You're acting.
But it is ours.
We are thinking with emotions right now.
Wait, did you even answer her question?
I'm not trying to discuss that question.
Whenever you answer a question, it's like every single thing has a million shades of gray.
And I don't look at the world that way.
And I think it overcomplicates literally everything.
So you're saying you live in the world in like simplistic black and white paradigms.
You don't ever try to look at the shades of the sky.
I mean, I'm the kind of person, I believe in like objective truth.
And like when it comes to the gender discussion, for example, I asked what is a woman, and it's like somebody who's born with an XX or XY chromosome.
Like to me, a lot of things like that are very black and white.
And I know that in some small instances, there's shades of gray, but it's like when questions are directed to you.
I mean, when we were talking earlier about like bathrooms, we were like very when questions are directed to this side of the panel with all due respect, it devolves into this like million shades of gray for literally everything and the conversation.
I feel like it's not fruitful for conversation.
So where during the job interview process do they ask you to bring up your OnlyFans history?
Is like the hiring manager?
Is it DHR?
This is the level of discourse that we're on.
At what point during the client?
You know, there are sound checks that include your internet history.
And if you choose to do OnlyFans, that's in your internet footprint forever.
That is a choice that you made.
That's the example that you brought up.
And in your belief as a feminist, women have full agency over their sexuality since they've been liberated.
It's only fair then to hold them accountable for making a decision that they're going to be able to do that.
Can I say that?
OnlyFans aside, I personally would not advocate for employers to go looking to see how qualified the candidates are by the first thing that they're searching up after they see the name on the resume.
Let's see if they have an OnlyFans.
It comes up pretty quickly.
And wouldn't somebody just be that as part of their history?
Any more than I think it's relevant for an employer to be like, let's look through their Facebook, let's look through their Twitter, through their YouTube channel.
So every employer is allowed to freely associate with who they want.
But I would criticize any business person who thinks that it's prudent to spend their time scanning through candidates like Instagram and social media.
So wait, wait, wait, wait.
Yeah, I think more relevant is their credentials and their resume.
Wait, wait, time is prudent for employers to care about whether or not one of their employees has OnlyFans.
That's not prudent.
Wait, wait, hold on.
If I'm a sending out, if I'm a CEO.
Generally speaking, I don't think it's prudent or a good place to give employers time to specifically comb through their prospective applicants' internet history.
Okay, internet history and OnlyFans are two different things.
OnlyFans can be part of your internet.
So if I'm the CEO and I'm hiring somebody, let's say I'm hiring a salesperson to close high-ticket deals and they're talking with important people on a daily basis.
And I'm sending that salesperson to go speak with these people.
And if any of those people that they speak to look up that person's name and they find pornography of them all over the internet, obviously they're going to take me and my company far less seriously if I have somebody working like that for me.
How can you say that that's not important?
It's like, oh, well, they shouldn't.
Yeah, they shouldn't.
No, I said every employer, a business owner, is allowed to freely associate and hire whoever they think.
So if they really think that that's at odds with their company's profits, then don't hire that guy.
And I'll tell you, I would be very suspect as to whether or not that's actually when they're not.
It may very well be the case that the scenario that you're describing does happen.
And if that's the case, then I wouldn't expect an employer to act any other way.
So, okay, cool, great.
So if this is not a relevant point, then why did she bring this up as a relevant point?
I like how almost every other person in the panel understood what I was saying and maybe disagreed with what I was saying, but at least understood it versus you, who keep saying, oh, no, you think a person should hire OnlyFans when it's like, hey, no, like what I'm trying to say is that there are different standards for both men and women when it comes to like sex.
That's all I was trying to say.
And yet you can be different standards for people who are different.
Well, that's a good question.
So they are held to different standards because of the objective differences between male and female sexuality.
Bingo.
Yeah, and we can have this conversation right now.
I just want to point out that I appreciate you guys actually bringing that to a conversation than trying to strawman me over and over again.
So what would your response be to that?
Would do different so just women and men are treated differently because of the objective differences between men and women, especially in regards to their sexuality.
How is the patriarchy holding women down?
I'm still waiting.
Oh, yeah, let's come back to that.
Why are we using that?
Hold on, let me redirect it to the next one.
Let me redirect the house.
How is it that word?
Men invented OnlyFans.
I did want to hear Pixie's response to that.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
I got a couple questions here.
Let me try to get through them and we'll have a little back and forth.
Okay, so under the patriarchy, are women oppressed?
Yes.
Are men the oppressors?
They're not only.
Jesus.
Don't use the word, I'll come back.
It's called reality.
And you too need a clear dose of it.
Employers want morally sound employees.
News flash doing of slash sex isn't moral.
Also, can you two form a valid argument instead of randomly?
Thank you, Bads EXC.
I think that's a good question.
Wait, can I respond to the donor real quick?
Yeah.
Something that's interesting to me is that, like, I think that there is a valid conversation to be had about doing employment background checks.
However, not hiring somebody because they do OnlyFans.
You could argue that, hey, I think the corporation should take a stand and say, we don't police our individual employees' backgrounds.
Now, you can say that's unreasonable.
However, when corporations turn that same lens and they get very woke about employees, you conservative people get really upset about that.
For instance, if 10 years ago you tweeted shit about being a Nazi or whatever, or you tweeted edgy jokes, you guys would stand up and you go, hold on.
Corporations shouldn't be holding employees accountable for stuff they said on their Twitter 10 years ago.
But it sounds like if somebody found an OnlyFans you did 10 years ago, you would say, well, it's totally fair game to make it so that that person can't work at that point.
Yeah, doing OnlyFans is a very important thing.
I was saying, that's not a fair argument.
One at a time, let's go.
Let me just say mine.
People are getting fired from their jobs for saying something is gay on Twitter 10 years ago.
Or like making a mildly homophobic control, but we said it's a totally different thing.
No, like housing national socialism.
No, no, it's actually totally not.
Because what if it is the case that your salesman is doing business with another company?
And let's say that the person that they're interfacing with is gay.
They find out that your salesperson tweeted homophobic stuff 10 years ago.
And now you've got like a blue chip company that doesn't want to do business with you because you hire people that have been homophobic.
They could use the exact same argument that you used about not hiring the OnlyFans people.
Now, hold on.
To be clear, I'm not saying that we should fire all those people.
I'm just saying that back in my day, okay, we didn't fucking peruse all the online history of everybody to decide who gets hired or who's not.
I think that if you're not on the clock, then the fucking employer shouldn't have anything to do with your shit.
But it is interesting that we were very selective about what we want policed in a person's history.
And that's how you're going to be able to do that.
This goes back to the original point that I was making earlier in the conversation about homosexuality contributes to the degeneracy of society.
I want to live in a society where you can joke about something being gay online.
Sure, but it could be a race.
Come on.
I'm saying gay, but it could be like a racist joke.
It could be a bigoted joke.
It could be a whatever edgy joke.
It could be any type of thing, right?
Is that a TOS?
Is it TOS?
What?
To say that homosexuality.
Is that TOS?
I don't know, but your podcast is going on.
We're in California, don't worry.
Just tell us when the stream goes down and move the Rumble.
I think that broadly speaking, I think we should probably say corporations, we need to stop this culture of corporations digging into employment history just because people on Twitter get really mad at like, this guy did this thing five or ten years ago.
Whether it's like making a sexist joke or doing OnlyFans.
Okay, that would be my personal question.
Fair enough.
We got to move away from that.
I want to bring it back to you guys.
Okay, so feminists posit that women are oppressed.
You said yes.
Do you think women are oppressed?
I do believe women are oppressed, yes.
Here in the U.S.
Yes.
Although, I think that's a good question.
Different definitions of patriarchy, because I would say that patriarchy broadly refers to the state of the world.
I'm really not interested in saying like blaming specific actors or genders or sexes and this is responsible.
Like, no, I think that's completely counterproductive.
I think you can analyze the world through a patriarchy, like by analyzing the patriarchy, seeing the detrimental effects of that.
And if you see an issue, you can address it.
I think we need to be able to do that.
That's fine.
Where do the positive aspects of patriarchy weigh into this conversation?
I know John James is ready to sound off my body.
Monumental.
Monumental.
Didn't men create OnlyFans for these women to be angry?
Exactly.
Exactly.
Everybody, fuck, everybody.
Oh my God.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Let's maintain this.
Losing control.
Please.
I have just like a little back and forth.
I want to have a little back and forth on this.
Please allow me to just get through it.
Okay.
Are men the oppressors?
Men and women are the oppressors.
Oh, great.
Why are you laughing?
It's true.
You don't think women pay for it.
Are men the oppressors?
Because if women are the oppressed, certainly then men must be the oppressors.
Is that true?
No, I think it's too complicated to say one joke or the other.
But so you both agreed that women are oppressed.
Yes.
By themselves.
You're women.
Are you oppressed?
Yes.
Insert an asset.
Into the mic, please.
Yes.
How are you as a straight white woman oppressed in America?
Before you answer that, are you oppressed as a woman?
Yes.
I would say belonging to the, like, identifying being a woman, yes, that puts you at a disadvantage socially because of the social biases we've been discussing earlier on the panel.
I think that's why no one has asked that.
Hey, guys, fuck up.
Hey, guys, everybody, Brian's trying to get something.
You're interfering with the split farming.
Come on.
Okay.
How are you oppressed?
There's been countless and countless times, whether it be in academia, podcast, whatever, where I say something and people say like she's a dumb bitch or in academia, it's more like- It's not an example of your oppression.
Well, if people are literally saying that, but then when it comes to a man saying the exact same thing I said, being like, oh, that was actually a very intelligent point.
Well, then they are degenerating me or the nick.
Are you talking about double standards?
Because there's plenty of that's a form of oppression.
You don't think double standards is a good idea.
There's some that benefit using the word oppression.
How are you defining oppression?
Oh my God.
A form of oppression.
This is literally.
Have you ever hung out in like a Call of Duty?
Not being inside a job because you participate in conversations like this and then feminists will literally think to themselves, why has every major religion in society imposed like borderline draconian rules on our behavior?
And it's like, maybe this lends some credibility to that thing.
I mean, women don't aspire to agency.
This is the problem with women are oppressed.
Can women be oppressed if they're not like tied down somewhere?
You guys don't aspire to agency the way that men do.
You are not fundamentally trying to lead, trying to do things like that.
You think you are because you respond to the media and to society, putting that idea in your head.
But if that were not the case, you go back to the 21st century.
I think Brian wants you to end your little soy rant.
No, it's fine.
I was enjoying that.
Literally everything.
That rant for seven years.
Everything you have said.
He called it a soy rant because he was making good.
That rant was a mistake.
No, Everything you have literally said are the same arguments people have used against black people in like the six years.
Now we got the black people.
Oh my god, what we said.
Oh black people, no, no, the black people.
Holly, fuck it.
Shut the fuck up.
Okay, you're going to tell me to shut the fuck up.
Actually say something afterwards.
Otherwise you're not going to be able to do it.
You've been yelling this entire time, so I haven't been able to say anything afterwards.
You're not going to sit here and fucking say that you being a whore is anywhere near the oppression that other groups, like black people or whatever, have faced.
You are a complete point.
No, no, no.
You're saying they're calling me a dumb bitch.
I'm saying that.
No, no, no.
I'm saying he's saying.
They're not a dumb bitch.
Don't act like a dumb bitch.
Don't fucking say that I'm a white jump.
No, what I'm saying, first of all, you guys took my point, completely fucking twisted it.
Yeah, I don't think we're doing like oppression Olympics here.
No, no, no, no.
The point that I was trying to make is that black people.
People.
Okay, the point that I was trying to make is that people look at my gender and, you know, have limited my opportunities when it comes to like, let's say, careers.
Look at your retardation.
Billy, Billy, go ahead.
No, they don't.
Into the money.
You have a greater advantage being a woman today.
Do you think into the money?
Sorry, sorry.
I think we should list.
I think if we asked men and women at this table to list off how they're oppressed in today's society, then men could come up with a much bigger list.
I got one.
I guarantee not a single woman has done any landscaping in the highest.
So, Brian, you think that you're like men are oppressed?
And I say you're oppressing people.
That's oppression.
Well, I think if we're going to play the oppression game, men, but if you want to play that game, I'm prepared to play it.
Let's play.
Men are more oppressed than women, for sure.
Absolutely.
And in fact, and not only today, but historically too.
In some ways, sure.
Like, if you want to talk about like a moment.
Men are scared to even speak to women.
If you want to talk about male disability, men have to do high rates of suicide.
I'm going to be with you.
What percentage of people that are homeless are men?
Probably the majority, no?
Three and four.
Yeah.
So the where does the matriarchy fit into that oppression?
Well, that's a really simple one.
How long do you think a homeless woman would make it?
She's more likely to go.
I agree with you, but I think a lot of women will rather go end up on their back than end up on the streets.
That would rather what?
Women up on their back than end up on the streets.
Sure, but I mean, like, Even ignoring that, I'm just saying that like there's a lot of questions that we ask in terms of like, and the oppression Olympics thing is weird.
To be clear, because I'm drawing my own, so patriarchy arguably oppresses and raises up both men and women in different ways, right?
But when we ask questions like, well, who's more homeless?
Men, men can survive being homeless because we have a lot of biological advantages and because we're not subject to violence from other men in the same types of ways that women are, right?
For instance, when women talk about, or when men when red pillars say, you need a man to protect you, protect you from who?
From other men, right?
Because that's typically the people that are abusing or violating other women.
So ask that question: who's more likely to be homeless?
It's probably going to be men, of course.
It's like 98%.
So women are going to make a homelessness.
Fair point, but I want to add on to that because she's saying that the patriarchy disproportionately affects women in a negative way and it doesn't affect men in a negative way.
But then where does homelessness come into play?
So the reason why I don't like to use negative is because so patriarchy is just like.
I don't go based off her example.
That's what I'm saying.
Patriarchy is like a way that society is structured.
It's enforced by everybody, because in some ways men and women benefit from it.
In some ways, men and women hurt from it.
But there are the way that we suffer under it, arguably, is subjective in whether or not it's good or bad.
So for instance, I imagine on this side of the table, people would say that women being relegated to relatively narrow roles and how they can participate in the house and society, they consider that a good thing.
Feminists traditionally would say, well, women being relegated to narrow roles in the household would be a bad thing.
So it's hard to say that, like, is patriarchy good or bad?
It's just like a form of organizing society, the same way that a matriarchy would be, the same way an egalitarian would be.
There's going to be pros and cons to every type of organization.
Even patriarchy, in some ways, is incredibly beneficial to how society is arranged.
It makes like figuring out gender roles and households and everything incredibly fucking simple.
It gives really clear guidelines for how men are supposed to act and how women are supposed to act.
That's like a benefit.
But in some ways, it's a negative.
Destiny arguing for patriarchy.
But in some ways, it's a negative because you might have an incredibly talented pool of women that could be contributing to society in really positive ways that are now basically relegated to being barefoot and pregnant in their homes all the time because we don't really want their contributions, right?
The reason why I think that our society has succeeded more in the West than it did in any other place in the world is to some extent because we opened the floodgates to allow any type of person to have a conversation.
And that's why podcasts like this or Fresh and Fit, you're getting people from fucking that have traveled to Saudi Arabia and Dubai coming back and arguing with black women and Hispanic women and men of all sorts of different backgrounds and religions are all coming together and having these conversations.
They're not doing that in fucking Saudi Arabia.
They're not doing that in fucking Iran.
They're not even doing that in a lot of places in Europe.
That's happening in the United States of America.
And I think it's largely because we've tried to break down a lot of those barriers.
Are you contributing the success of the West to the principle of free speech?
I think that for freedom of speech and for unlocking the talent pool that you have of people by not hardcore relegating them to certain roles.
The reason why I ask is because the West was successful relative to other civilizations long before we had free speech and equal rights for everybody.
I mean, the United States was kind of founded on pretty radical principles of free speech and democracy and democracy.
Yes, it was, but the West existed prior to the United States.
I'm talking about the real West, okay, the U.S. fuck Europe.
I mean, if we're talking about the real West, even the people who all love to love and hate, like people like Elon Musk, this guy came from like South Africa, right?
Like there's so much cool shit that happens in the U.S. that only happens in the U.S. People come here.
And I know you guys have argued people come here for the opportunity and stuff.
We have a really unique environment here.
And I think largely because we've tried to push people outside of the hardcore relegated roles that we feel like they need to be in, which I think benefits all of us.
I do have to interrupt because we do need to get a couple of these donations read.
So let me redirect this here.
We have Doc the Nabili.
To Chase's point, the only demographic in the West that is kind of realized.
Well, not really.
It's having births above replacement level is religious household.
Also, even in polygamous households, marriages for the benefit of children, when there is chaos, the children end up in rehab.
Doc, thank you for the donation there.
Appreciate it, man.
DJ Takavar.
Oh, hold on.
That's another one.
Proverbs 5.
Okay, I think it's a little bit of a hard time.
It's a.
I didn't mean to.
Thank you.
Thank you, Brock.
Appreciate it.
Waiting for this other one.
Just came in right now.
Brock, you gave 200 bucks.
Put the fucking verse next time, okay?
All right, DJ, thank you, Brian.
Crazy to see different dynamics of dating today in the 805 from San Luis Obispo.
Move to the U.S. for the Second Amendment rights, though.
Chase Mary put these maps.
What the fuck?
Liptar clowns in their place.
Also, Madison is so perfect.
Her farts definitely smell like cinnamon.
Okay, dude.
Do you guys support maps?
Madison?
Madison?
No, bro.
Where does this come from then?
Yeah, we're not talking about the story.
Shut up.
Yeah, shut it down.
Shut up, bro.
Oh, my God.
Okay, pull that one back up.
When he's done, you can.
Oh, yeah.
Yo, Davon Jackson, thank for the 100.
The patriarchy is a society built by men for women and children.
It's made more convenient for women to raise children to the point that they think they don't need men to do it or opt not to at all.
Hey, Dayvon Jackson, good to see you in the chat, man.
Thank you very much.
Appreciate the donation.
We have this one here from L. Chase, Proverbs 5.
I challenge you to read it out loud.
Let it shine, my brother in Christ.
Billy, you, a Proverbs 31 woman.
What's your take on blue-haired embodiment of socialist ideology?
That's for Billy.
Go ahead.
Wait, what's your take on blue-haired embodiment of socialist?
Proverbs 31 woman.
I would encourage everybody in the audience to read Proverbs 31.
It describes the ideal wife, a woman of noble character and virtue who takes care of her home, takes care of her husband, takes care of her kids, makes sure that the family's name is respected, multiplies the family's investments.
Her husband will essentially need nothing because of how much she does for him and the family.
Her value is worth more than rubies.
Yes, she is.
A wife, it says, a wife of noble character who can find her value is worth far more than rubies.
And it's true.
Madison, any thoughts on the cinnamon?
He's saying that you are worth far more than rubies.
A wife of noble character.
What do you think about that?
I think it's actually very true because that's exactly what I want to be.
Oh, wife.
Praise the Lord.
PTS.
Okay, we have nobody here.
Thank you for the donation, man.
Appreciate it.
I send you an instant message on your Brian profile.
Destiny wanted to see her.
Keep it centered, by the way.
Destiny wanted to see me do push-ups in response to my message.
I expect him to also do push-ups on live stream.
10 drunk push-ups with no push-downs.
Does that mean no push-downs?
I think it's a gay kind of thing.
I don't know what it is.
You guys know way more gay lingo than I do.
I'm not sure.
Couldn't tell you, man.
Oh, man.
And then we had this, the bad ZXE.
That one came through.
Let me do a couple from YouTube.
We were pretty good.
Did you read the EXZ one?
It was a TTS that I'm pretty sure came through already.
It's called Reality.
Yeah, that one came through as a TTS.
All right, we have Proverbs 5.
Do we just do Stifler really quick?
Okay, ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale 1 to 10, really quick.
Destiny, you first.
Obviously.
10.
10, of course.
10.
Oh, God.
I don't want to answer.
Why not?
Patriarchy?
The Patriarchy.
Patriarchy.
Please.
I just like.
Maybe a Patriarchy 2 buffer.
So whatever you say, plus 2.
Hold on.
What are you answering?
I don't know.
I feel like, to me, it's weird when I try to judge my own looks.
I feel like.
I don't know.
I feel like the question.
Are you a 10?
Fine, I'm a 10, whatever.
Don't let me put words in your mouth.
No, I just, I think, like, whenever people ask questions like that, it kind of annoys me because I feel like there's so much more to a person than they look.
I know, but I probably can answer the question for you.
Yeah, so I'll just answer it for you.
I'd say maybe a four or six.
I mean, personally, I think how someone looks is like the least interesting thing about them, but that's just me.
But otherwise, you do this little exercise on every single episode.
And the whole point is that everybody gives themselves like a bunch of people.
What do you rate your dick?
I haven't heard that.
We haven't gotten to that side of the table yet.
Yeah, I'll answer.
But you guys usually rate yourself as well.
Of course.
Sometimes, you know.
Say the same number every time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You don't feel like you have a good day or a bad day?
I incorporate that to it.
So do you, you know?
I'll say 10.
Let's continue.
I'm going to stick with my answer.
It's a 6.7.
Nev.
I'm going to say a 6 for me as well.
John.
I'll give myself a 7 today because this suit is really good.
I say 7.
I would say a nine.
A 10's not real.
That's like an abstraction, right?
Like assuming a normal distribution.
It's Jesus.
There's an idea of a rating system.
Right.
Well, you know, people, I think, they misunderstand that.
They tend to think that like a seven is average because they think seven is 70%.
That's like a C. Assuming a normal distribution, this is very important rating women, rating people in general.
Five would be like a perfect average, and then you would see like a bell curve sort of slope from there.
So if you're talking about a seven, I mean, that's already like what, top 15%, probably even greater than that.
It's very important stuff.
Hey, we over here, we're perfect.
Okay, Chase, what about you?
7.5 and y'all know you're a 10.
Thank you.
Not to be weird or anything.
Too late for that.
Sorry.
Sorry.
I mean, you have a boyfriend, Tony.
Well, no, I'm just saying, I see a beautiful man, and I'll call him a beautiful man.
All right.
Chase.
By the way, Virgin.
Yeah, I am.
She has a boyfriend.
Okay.
Okay.
I give myself a six, six point nine on a good day.
How about with the wig on, though?
Ten.
Ten.
I'm like the mirror opposite of destiny with the wig.
True.
Ten degree.
Of course.
Yeah, the ten thing, though.
I'm sorry.
I kind of fucked around that by answering initially.
My bad.
It's all good.
It's all good.
So you object to the whole 10 thing.
You said people really shouldn't care about much about physical appearance.
It's not, I'm not going to pretend like people aren't influenced by physical appearance.
I just feel like so much of society focuses on that.
And it's like, dude, there's a lot of things.
Well, it's extremely important.
You have to have attraction to have a relationship last year.
It's just a question about how would you rate your physical looks?
That's all it is.
It's not like what's your worth as a human being.
It's not important.
Obviously, it's important to some.
I'm just saying to me personally, I tend to think how people look is usually the least interesting thing about them.
I think there's a lot more to people than just their situation.
Something tells me you're lying based on the fact that you've never been on a date before.
I think something tells me you're projecting.
No, no, no.
I think you've rejected every dude that's asked you out because probably because none of them have been interesting or good-looking enough to go out with them.
No.
No.
When I've rejected people, it's literally just been on the basis that I don't think we're compatible.
We can still be.
You haven't even gone on a date with them, though.
How do you know you're not compatible?
Just words right out of my mouth.
I don't have time on going on a date with them if I don't feel that initial compatibility or like chemistry there.
I think that's where you're failing.
You're not going on dates with people, yet you're saying, oh, I'm judging them on compatibility, but you're not actually like, I mean, when you say judge on it, it's not just like occurring out of nowhere.
If they ask me if I would like to go on a date with them, if they just are going to tell me, like, come on a date with me, I mean, that's different.
But like, when you ask somebody on a date, you're accepting that they may or may not reject.
You are everything wrong with modern dating.
Hold on, hold on.
I think you are everything.
I mean, we already established that I'm not dating.
So are you insinuating?
Billy Ray, Billy Ray.
Are you insinuating that if a guy told you, come on a date with me, you'd be like, okay.
No.
You said it would be different if a guy said it.
No, because she said that you're judging people on the basis of this.
And I'm saying if you ask somebody on a date, you're putting yourself out there and you are opening yourself up to rejection.
Would you go on a date with Fresh from the Fresh and Fit podcast?
Would I go on a date with Fresh?
Yes, he's a good-looking, attractive man.
You wouldn't go on a date with Fresh.
You wouldn't go on a date with Myron.
He wouldn't go on a date with the entire crew at Fresh and Fit.
No, no, I'm just asking you about Fresh.
Is that a yes?
Sitting to the camera.
To Fresh?
Yeah.
That camera right there.
Wait.
Are you advocating?
You're so fucking difficult.
I think that's your problem.
You just cut me off.
Okay.
I'm sorry that I cut you off, but it's just like I've been holding it in.
Well, then maybe not, because if I'm so like difficult and disagreeable, then it doesn't sound like Fresh and I would get along, right?
So okay, here's a clarifying question: When was the last time you met or discovered or anything?
Maybe you didn't meet him.
When was the last time?
Hold on.
When was the last time you came across a guy who you were like, he's attractive?
I would go out with him if you asked me.
Can you ever remember an instance where you found a guy attractive and would want to go out with him?
I mean, when you say that, I guess it would have to, like, if you're asking me like the last time that I could remember, I can't think off the top of my head.
No.
Can't remember the last guy you were attracted to?
What?
No.
I got a question.
It's not because they don't exist, they're crushed.
Rushes on guys in high school or college.
I can't answer your question.
It's not because attractive men don't exist.
Attractive men are all around me.
But I'm saying that there's more to like what I'm going to consider when I'm deciding who do I want to date more than just physical attractiveness.
There's a plethora of physically attractive men.
That's not my question.
My question is: can you remember the last guy you were attracted to?
Like their face or like the most.
Just in general.
Energy, face, everything.
Can you ask to be a troll dude?
I don't know exactly what you mean.
Or like, I'm asking you to do that.
Do you want kids?
Can you stop asking her questions?
Like, do you want kids?
Can you remember the last?
Wait, can you remember the last time?
I don't know if I can have kids, but.
Can you remember the last time a guy liked you?
Like, engaged in conversation and actually wanted to go on a date with you?
Yeah.
When was that?
Today?
I wanted to go on a date with you today.
No, like, was I asked on a date today?
No.
But I'm in contact and friends with men who have asked me on dates before that I didn't go on.
Okay.
Can I ask a question?
Is your neck okay?
Huh?
Oh, I guess you have like a cooling pad or something.
Yeah, I've got chronic neck pain issues.
I've got neck injury, so damn.
Does this podcast help or hurt that?
Definitely hurts.
Stress does not help with pain.
Definitely hurts.
I don't know.
With Chase next to you, I think that should also be like helping, right?
Bro, you're weird.
You're fucking goofy.
Fucking chick.
Okay.
Are you a virgin?
No, no, right.
I'm just, because like, she must be.
After that conversation, she intellectualizes it and says, like, what is a virgin, though?
Yeah.
There's no such thing as virginity, and here's why.
Because the whole idea of a virgin.
Nothing's black and white.
Nothing is virtual.
But there is no real virgin.
Well, because you said you've never been on a date, so I'm just trying to figure it out.
You don't have to ever worry about the patriarchy boogeyman of men kidnapping you or whatever, because they've just returned you after you talk so much.
Brian, are you a virgin?
No, I was going to say, if you've never been on a date.
Wait, but Brian, but Brian, I'm going to be a little bit more.
I'd like to be a virgin.
I'm going to go to the first.
No.
No?
No.
Okay.
So he answered naive.
See how simple that was?
Wait, I want to hear about your first time.
Yeah.
My first time.
Yeah, I really want to imagine it.
And like, how cool.
I want to hear a trauma dump on this one.
It's actually, I'll tell you after the show because it's kind of funny, but I don't want to hear it.
I want to hear right now.
The audience wants to hear it.
Look, I was 17 and it was good.
It was good.
Nothing too crazy.
Nothing too freaky.
I don't want the details of your first time.
I'm just simply asking if you're a virgin or not.
You're just simply asking that for me.
Answer.
Very simple answer.
Clearly, no.
Clearly.
Very simple answer.
Is it so clear?
If it's so clear, why do you guys?
Some guy, listen, some guy made her like this.
So like, it's clearly.
Have you had sex?
Which chromosome are you missing?
Here's a better question.
Who hurt you?
I don't know.
Have you had sex?
Bro, this chick's like, actually, I want to drop the R word so fucking bad.
Do it.
I think I like it.
This is why you need to judge people more thoroughly on how they look because the moment she sat down, you could just tell by her appearance that this was pretty much more or less how the conversation was going to go.
She sort of has the like, like librarian physiognomy.
I didn't know him, though.
I was just like, I have the librarian physiognomy.
I don't understand your objection to not wanting to answer the question because if you have had sex, like I think anyone here who's had sex, it's not like a shameful thing to admit you've had sex.
And it's also not a shame.
I can tell you what the shame is.
It's not a shameful thing if you're a virgin either.
So I don't understand.
Here's what it is.
She's already revealed that she's never been on a date.
So if she has, in fact, had sex, that means that she had sex without going on a date.
And there is an element of shame involved with that.
And if she did have sex, she doesn't want to reveal it because she takes herself very seriously because of patriarchy.
That would shame her.
I mean, a lot of people in today's day and age, they're not like going on dates.
It's like come over.
And that can, you know what?
That sort of very casual scenario could actually lead to a long-term relationship.
So, I mean, well, what's your definition of a date?
Definition of a date?
Yes.
We're actually intersectionality says this about dates.
I think so we don't get rioted out here, so we're just going to skip that question when it works.
Bro, just like answer the question.
Yo, everybody in the chat, everybody in the chat is saying that you're a plant.
Do you curious?
Do you guys think that she's a plant, or do you guys think that she's just like this all the time?
No, she's definitely Destiny's friend.
Is a walk in the park?
But it's like symptoms of everybody's friend.
Yeah, I can tell.
It's like so weird.
Like, you're on a dating podcast, like, you're 24.
You're 24?
What the fuck?
Like, if we were to have a discussion about something sex-related, like you just would, you would also choose to omit answering like a sex-related question, or you're right.
This has been an impediment.
You know what I want to know?
So, fucking answer the question, dude.
It's not like it's cringe.
Just move on.
She's a good idea.
It's not a big deal.
I'm like, here's what I want to know.
I'm so worked out.
I'm going to talk about this.
Aaron, here's what I want to know.
Aaron, here's what I want to know.
Why did you come on tonight?
What was your intention?
It's like bad faith.
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm hearing about.
It's not necessarily that I don't get to know the answer.
It's just really bad faith that you're playing this fucking game.
When you requested to be on the show, do you think you're being a good representative?
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Do you think you're being a good representative of feminism?
Yo, do we kick her off?
I think there are.
Are we just perfect for weeks?
We could.
We could.
Before we do, before we do, no.
Hold on.
You can.
Hold on.
What was your intention in coming on tonight?
Being suffering.
Hold on.
Discussion with you fine people about dating talk in the 24th.
Clearly, that's a lie.
Are you going to continue in bad faith?
I don't know.
Am I?
Dude, I should.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
At this point, because honestly, we just keep getting kicked in these loops.
Here's the difference.
Had you just audience.
You have paying audience members, okay?
We're giving a show to them.
We should leave it to them.
Okay, well, they're already saying kick her off.
At this point, would you believe that?
I mean, we've got a bunch of democracy respectors in here.
If we want to respect democracy, I say we just kick her off, man.
At this point, can you believe whatever she said?
Because now I'm thinking about that.
I think she's full of shit.
Yeah, she's oh shit on everything.
So, how do we kick her off and not blame the patriarchy at the same time?
I think we should just own the patriarchy and say it's based.
I literally have autism, and you're 10 times more retarded than I am.
Like, I literally have diagnosed fucking autism.
I was in the classroom with the speds and shit, going on the bus and shit.
And you're saying words that are not allowed on YouTube.
Listen, here's what it ultimately could have come down to.
You could have just said, Hey, listen, I'd rather not share that publicly.
I don't want to answer that.
But you wanted to make it into some game, like some semantic game.
And I just don't understand.
Like, it's really bad faith.
If you just said, Look, hey, I don't want to share that, fine.
But, like, when you kind of the first time I asked, you're like, we'll get into it later.
And then you refuse.
Right, that's her back.
I'll tell you what it is.
Earlier in the conversation, she made a comment about how you enjoy clip farming.
Erin, this doesn't flip away.
Hold on.
Just listen to my point.
When you kick her off, hold on.
Which is why.
Everybody, please silence your mouths.
She doesn't like you or your show.
She came on the show to obstruct constructive conversation.
No, you don't.
I'm not having a good time.
If you liked the show, you would actually be good faith.
She came on the show to throw a wrench in the gears and to obstruct constructive conversation, and she's acting like she's not doing it and like we're being crazy and stuff.
You should just kick her off the show, man.
Chat.
They are, dude, you had a thousand people say kick her off right now.
You should kick her off right now.
Otherwise, we're going to continue wasting you sticking around.
What?
You sticking around?
He's a professional.
I drove all the way to this fucking city, so I'm here for as long as you guys are.
You drove to this city?
Please.
I have a question for you.
Look at your job.
Look at your chat.
I have a question.
I just flew from my answer.
Answer for me.
Is there anything Aaron can do to show good faith right now?
Yeah, be quiet.
Honestly, you had the opportunity.
Yeah, just don't.
You had the opportunity.
So kindly, I'm asking you to leave.
Yeah?
This is Sparta!
You played the sound effect.
You gotta go.
Would you let her in your polycule?
Erin, you should go.
Can you just leave?
Please leave.
Can you leave?
I don't know if your friend wants to come with you.
I will leave you guys to ask the very important questions about Steven and Melina's relationship and diving more.
Thank you.
That's lovely.
Thank you so much.
See you next week.
Bye-bye.
We love you.
Peace out.
Quickly.
You too, quickly.
Hello?
Oh, you're such a troll.
I love it.
Anyways.
Can we like scoot over now?
I hope so.
Because I'm fucking in the room.
Brian's capping some content.
Oh, yeah.
Anyways.
Hi, Chase.
Stop the cap.
Stop the cap.
Film her, Brian.
Now we've got to establish your alpha male energy.
Total peace.
Establish it, Brian.
Total patriarchy victory.
Patriarchy wins once again.
We're back.
That's right.
All right.
Well.
Did you guys know she was going to be like that?
That's kind of how she always acts.
It's fun to go back and forth.
She has like a YouTube channel or something?
She kind of streams sometimes, but I don't know.
Maybe she'll get into it.
I'm not sure.
Should have asked her that.
She is kind of redeemed.
That was pretty based and submissive how she just immediately was like, oh, men are telling me what's going on.
I would just not try to rationalize her shitty behavior whatsoever.
Yo, that's just shitty.
Chat.
Please let us know.
Are we back or what?
If we're back, say we're back in all caps.
Bro.
I'm thinking we're back, dude.
I think we're back.
Yeah.
Were you actually?
Where did we go?
Momentarily it was so over.
Where did we go?
Was it so over like in previous episodes or just in this one?
Or what do you mean?
Has there been like a lull in content?
It's been over for about the past 30 minutes, but currently we're back.
Right.
Yeah.
That was lovely.
I have fucking AIDS now.
I'm just like most of the whores that go on this show.
I have fucking AIDS.
We were back.
You probably write everything you say on a fucking piece of work, a paper or something before you say it.
I'm sorry.
I just, if she didn't want to answer it, look how back we are, dude, bro.
If she had just admitted that she felt ashamed or felt uncomfortable or some actual reason for not giving an answer, that would have been one thing.
But the constant, like, the questioning back and forth.
Yeah, it's like it's not cool.
It's not edgy.
You're like, she was responded to with a question.
Every single one of them.
And acting like virginity isn't real is stupid.
She's probably laughing out there.
Like, I can't believe it took them that way.
It's not edgy.
It's not cool when you're like, especially like people.
There's like a 50% chance to.
Yeah, no, exactly.
You know, when you have like a whole show of like people who are like professional streamers, like obviously Destiny, Melina, Brian, myself, you know, like when you're like just being a dickhead to like fuck everything up and make bad TV, like it's just like a social faux pas in Streamer Ladley.
Like, what are you doing?
And like, for she asked to be on the show, too.
No, exactly.
And then like, how does that make feminists look?
For like the Dowerhard feminists at home who are like throwing their pillow against the wall right now.
No, I'll tell you what it is.
She has seen clips from the show.
She knows that Brian's pretty good at roasting feminists or girls, like the hookup movement, all that kind of stuff.
And she's like, hey, I want to come on this show and throw a wrench in Brian's gears.
And now she's going to go get panged by Fresh.
Pretty bad faith.
Pretty bad shape.
Which one of you was it that messaged first?
Was it you or was it her?
I don't remember.
It was like a group message or something.
And then you insisted Destiny also be on the show.
Yeah, I don't, I don't remember what message first.
I remember there were back and forth messages between us.
Here, tell you what, throw your friends under the bus.
You're friends with her, right?
Is she a virgin or is she not a virgin?
I don't ask her sexually.
Listen, you can't be a virgin in that insufferable.
Like, some guy made her like this.
Some guy traumatized her and made her join the feminist movement.
Like, that girl is clearly not a virgin.
You're probably.
Like virgin women don't have that fucking level insufferability, calculated insufferability in them at all.
If you want to know the conversation we had before coming on this podcast, let's fucking talk about it.
Do you want to be a dickhead?
Yes, me too.
Okay.
What was it?
Because when we've gone on podcasts like this before and they were always like, oh, like, what's your body count?
What have you done?
I didn't ask body count.
Have you died?
I asked a very like basic question.
Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with you.
I'm just trying to explain what might have been going on behind the mentality, right?
It's always followed up either by like, you're a liar or you're like a whore or like, you know, you're not here.
I hear, like if a girl says I'm this, unless it's like...
This is a safe space.
I don't know, because when I said I was a virgin, a lot of people did say I was lying.
To be fair.
Same with me.
I said I was a virgin.
Who?
People in the chat?
A lot of comments.
Yeah.
And the bombardment of hate afterwards, no matter what.
I don't care because I know that it's true.
That's the chat.
We're here.
We're here.
And I very rarely make it a point to try to call cap on chicks.
Occasionally I do where I'm like, like the chick who was on, who was on drugs.
Like, bro, I called cap on.
I'm curious in that case.
If someone's like, I can answer, but I want them to be muted, would you do that?
What do you mean?
Would you mute the stream?
I'll answer it, but I don't want stream to hear it.
I don't want stream to hear it.
Yeah.
That might be a good idea.
Why would you be so dumb to do that, though?
I mean, if like nine people at a table in the stream, everybody's going to know.
You came on the show to answer questions like that.
Well, I do want to say one thing.
I'm going to do a second show, too.
So it's like I do want to say one thing.
You three have been very good faith the whole conversation, and I appreciate that.
She managed to achieve through her behavior a unique combination of having the panel and the audience dislike her.
Like if she had just been honest, maybe the chat would have roasted her, but we would be like, fair enough.
She managed to do better.
She would have hit until she opened her mouth.
Honest to God, I'm not gay or anything.
She had nice zincies.
I think we should keep talking about Erin.
I really like this topic.
It's gay.
She has to do it.
She's still here with us.
The spirits are still here.
I think you two were in on this.
No, to be clear, they're friends with you.
No, no, we are all friends.
We had a while drove here together.
We were going to do a show, I think, like a month ago.
We had planned, we were going to do a show.
When I was here, I did like five shows with no doubt.
And we were going to do a show, and it didn't end up working out because I couldn't drive out for something happened, or you guys didn't know.
It was last minute.
Yeah.
And then they talked about doing a show and then they messaged me.
And then you guys reached out to me.
And then you guys reached out to Melina, like independently of anything, because I didn't know until afterwards.
She's like, oh, I'm going on the same show you're on.
I'm like, oh, okay.
And we're all talking about it.
But to be clear, just because I want to be clear, I would never make plans to like fuck with a show because it hurts my reputation.
I would never do that, right?
I just want to say DM dating.
That's my boyfriend.
Super chat.
That's my boyfriend.
Yo, your boyfriend's killing it right now with the super chat.
He said she absolutely embodied what feminism turns women into.
Every toxically feminine trait, gaslighting, projection, emotional manipulation, delivered through overtly combative masculine energy.
This is extremely common.
What's up?
Can we please have him on the show?
Oh, yeah.
Let's talk.
We'll talk after the show.
Yeah, DM dating nailed it, bro.
Yeah.
I've also experienced girls will get burned by a guy in a relationship, and then that will turn them into extremely intense, rabid feminists.
I mean, guys get burned by girls and they create the red pill movement.
It would be 100%.
That's 100%, right?
Yeah.
100%.
There's a lot of hurt people.
I think that a lot of politics is literally defined by a who hurt you.
There's a lot of communists out there that came from traditional religious families.
And there's a lot of super tradcon people that came from like parents that they weren't happy with, who were too progressive, whatever.
I think that's a good point.
Yeah, if you look at culturally, like where we're at today, you kind of see like this resurgence in like religiosity a little bit.
A lot of people pushing towards like Islam, even more traditional than like Christian stuff.
And I think a lot of that has been in response to the past 10 or 15 years of like, fuck religion.
Like when I was on the internet, how old are you?
28.
Okay, I'm 34.
Like 10 years ago, 13 years ago on the internet, the really popular thing was being an atheist and like shitting on religious people.
But that was in response to like the 90s and the 2000s and people having that religious fight versus like the newcoming metrosexuals and the rappers and everything.
So I think a lot of like politics and social motives like push-pull, push-pull, push-bull.
Yeah, it's a pendulum swing.
Yeah, yeah.
I think everybody is.
I try to keep that in mind a lot, but it's very hard not to fall captive to that, right?
If you're getting attacked by one group of people today on Twitter, tomorrow you want to make them like the main target, you know?
So Destiny, did you think she had like a gangbang or something?
Like a gangbang?
Consensual gang.
I think there are tons of things that can make people upset that have nothing to do with sex or anything.
I've seen virgins that act like that.
I've seen people that have been ran through that act like that.
I've seen men and women that act like that.
There's tons of people.
Not because of that, but okay, I got a couple.
Let's ask a spicy question.
Spicy couple?
Which one, we haven't asked one yet?
No, no, it's just for destiny.
So, Destiny, why do you hate Andrew Tate?
Why do I hate Andrew Tate?
One is because I don't like the message he sells people.
Two, is.
Which is, what's the message?
I wish that we could sell self-improvement without making everything so narrow in scope.
Like, there are so many different paths to success.
And to be fair, I've seen him give kind of contradictory messages on this.
I saw him have a conversation with Sneeko, for instance, where he was very open about, like, it's not every man's life journey to become like the CEO of a major company.
Some people need to be plumbers, whatever, which is good.
But then in other videos, it always feels like the markers for success are the most materialistic, like bankrupt, like spiritually bankrupt things in the world.
And that bothers me.
And then, two, assuming that he's not lying about everything he said online, he is undoubtedly a sex trafficker, which I think is kind of shitty.
But there is the chance that he has lied.
You gotta back that up.
That's a big thing.
We need to talk about it all once.
That's a big accusation.
That's a huge accusation.
That's a huge accusation.
Sure.
Yeah, he's been investigated by the authorities and they didn't find any evidence.
He's still under the pressure.
Hold on, that's not.
Wait, wait, to be clear, it's not true they didn't find any evidence.
They found enough evidence to continue to detain him while they finished their investigation, to be clear.
Fair.
Is that true?
That is true.
That's what's going on in Romania.
Number two, plenty of people have done crimes that get away with it and don't get convicted, which is fine.
Now, ordinarily, I wouldn't say...
Wait, can we back up?
What was the evidence that they found that justified continually...
No, it's not publicly stated yet.
Don't believe it's public yet because it's part of the investigative process, right?
So they've had to show stuff to a panel of judges and they have to make the decision.
Do we think you have enough here that there's likely to be charges coming at the end of it?
And so far in Romania, the court system has said, yes, we do believe that to be the case.
And I think they've got three months left to finally press charges.
And if they don't, then the charges are dropped or the case is dropped and he's free to.
They only have like one or two.
They might have one or two months left.
I think he was in December.
Madison, do you want to show you?
So no, let me ask.
Can I actually, Madison, just stay there.
Can I build on something like that with him?
So what is the overarching message of Andrew Tate that you don't support?
I wish that when we talked about delivering purpose to young men, it wasn't wrapped up in such a materialistic package because it feels like that's what's led to a lot of like if so I'm a big capitalist and I'm a big liberal, but arguably one of the largest criticisms you can launch at liberalism and capitalism is this hyper-consumerist, hyper-materialist mindset.
I agree with you.
You need to buy the next iPhone.
You need to buy the next car.
I really wish that like for Andrew Tate, if you wanted to sell this message of becoming like a fulfilling person, like show yourself working and doing honorable things.
Show yourself having a virtuous life, right?
Show yourself building a real business, not doing like cam girls and getting rich that way or not doing casinos.
Show yourself having like a virtuous life, not bragging you've got 20 girlfriends.
Show yourself like engaged in virtuous activities that people can embody, that can be the embodiment of what young men should pursue, rather than constantly bragging about how many cars and women and all that shit you have.
So that's a great point.
I totally agree with that.
And a follow-up question I have is like part of Andrew Tate's appeal is he's speaking authoritatively about all these different things when it comes to masculinity, the way the world works, so on and so forth.
And there's a lot of people that are doing that online, but Andrew Tate is constantly flashing his wealth, his cars, his houses, the girls he's with, so on and so forth.
How can someone get to that place where they're influential like he is and garner that interest from an audience the way that he did without flashing all of those materialistic things?
I think you can do it, but I think a lot of people don't try.
The reality is that Andrew Tate is a really fucking funny guy.
He's very charismatic.
He's very charming.
And he can do a lot of really funny content.
He's done a lot of the fucking video where his brother is like, I'm going to break the Red Pole fucking record.
I don't know if you guys have seen that one.
The one where he was saying he was going to make Megan Markle make him some chicken.
Sure, yeah, there's like, I haven't seen that one, so I want to co-sign that.
There are so many videos that he's done that are really funny.
I think he probably could have gotten relatively big doing that.
But the problem is that you're making a deal with the devil when you say, I'm going to sell my soul a little bit to gain some level of popularity.
Because what happens is, is on your journey to becoming that person that's getting popular enough to sell the message you want to sell, the message is going to get lost.
Because at the end of the day, when I look at Andrew Tate and I'm talking to a young man, well, how do you want to be successful?
I want to be successful like Andrew Tate.
What do you have to do?
You've got to start a cam business and do gambling and sell alcohol and drugs and shit, right?
Because that's essentially like what his whole business revolved around, was like casino stuff, working with mob people, and then doing like cam girl stuff.
And so what kind of message are you actually selling, right, to young boys saying that's the path to success?
In his defense, he was doing the Hustlers University, which was 18 modern wealth creation methods, which was like copywriting, drop shipping.
But that's after he made his fortune.
It was after he made his fortune.
So what's the message?
So I agree, but that's like during his upwards, like, you know, I think it was during summer of last year, during his meteoric rise, he was constantly saying, like, you know, join Hustlers University where you can find these 18 modern wealth creating methods.
So I understand that you're saying, like, because you have to factor in some things too.
Like, he was saying those things intentionally, knowing that they were inflammatory in order to go viral, which is part, I mean, you're streaming, you know, this is part of the game, right?
So this is what you have to be really careful about.
And it's something I think about a lot, too.
Like I said, you're trading parts of your soul every time you're trying to achieve a certain level of fame.
And if you've traded away too many parts, there's not enough of you left to sell the message at the end.
There are things that you can do to achieve a level of fame to enact a good message.
But if you've sold away too many parts of yourself to get there, you kind of lose the ability to sell the message at that point, right?
I agree with you on that statement too, in regards to that, but I don't necessarily think he was saying like, sure, one of the modern 18th wealth creation methods was start a cam business, right?
Manage your girls, OnlyFans.
He went viral for sale.
And he had before Hustlers University, there was the PhD.
And trafficking women, basically.
Well, I mean, I gotta walk.
I mean, and then when him and Tristan are openly bragging about like, oh, this is how we get these men and we make them come back every time by scamming them with the cam girls.
So that's also a cultural norm in Romania.
Absolutely is not.
Well, I mean, sorry, not cultural norm, but in the sense, like, it's commonly known as the lover boy method to like get these girls women from Western Europe and to bring them over into ships.
I wasn't talking about that, but just in general, like getting girls like you and then also like fleecing pathetic men who are coming through these chat groups.
What's your point?
The point I'm trying to make is that he is not necessarily saying that that was the primary and only way to become this high-value man, but it was one of the 18-year-olds.
Yeah, but I don't think he's ever like disagreement.
Well, usually like if rappers get big, I think that generally they're not going to say like, I'm really glad I sold drugs to get here.
They're not telling kids like, listen, sell enough crack and one day you can be a rapper, right?
Usually like, well, we shouldn't have been involved in that.
We shouldn't have been doing these things as kids.
Like there were other options that we just didn't want to do.
Fair play, fair play.
So on this subject, I'm kind of hearing from you that it sounds like you're saying Andrew Tate was filling a niche, imperfectly so because of all of the immoral things that he did to get there.
He's filling a niche that a lot of men in the world need in terms of teaching them how to become successful, how to like climb the ladder in life, so to speak.
Do you think, do you see there being a void in the world in terms of righteous masculine leadership that more men need to step up to the plate and fill?
Is that something you think is important?
Yeah, I think the issue is we've spent the past 20 years especially.
I say that probably recentism because I'm young, but we've spent a lot of time building up women in a lot of really phenomenal ways.
And women have made a ton of progress in terms of education, in terms of earning potential, in terms of control over their lives that I think has been really phenomenal.
But again, and Andrew Tate does this as well, and feminists and people on the left do this, it feels like we can never fucking have anything without demonizing the other side.
So a lot of the gains that women made, not physically, are at the expense of men, but at the very least socially, they're at the expense of men.
Men are rapists, men are pigs, men are dogs, blah, Fuck men.
And what that's created is made this weird world where now in some places women are starting to dramatically outpace men.
In college, it's getting insane.
I think that college education is more unequal in favor of women than it was in favor of men like 50 years ago.
And now we can't even have the conversation of like, what do we do about men?
No.
Because in some ways, that patriarchy thing that we mentioned earlier, there are aspects of patriarchy that still carry over.
For instance, a man is expected to provide for his household.
Well, what happened in the pandemic?
Even more men dropped out of school to provide for their households, but women continued their education.
And at some point, that's going to reverse women's earning potential.
Are we ever going to be able to talk about like, hey, I think we actually do need some representation for men?
It's not just enough to expect them to rise up and overcome everything on their own.
And we've had a really hard time doing that.
If I may, follow up question.
Sorry, I could choose like three times.
I just want to finish up.
You're good, man.
You're Gucci.
I love you.
Follow-up question.
So you're saying, you know, in the effort to elevate women throughout society, men have been largely left behind in a lot of ways.
What do you think is the message that a lot of men should be hearing in the world?
What can we do to support men desperately?
Oh man, here we go.
Okay.
I got my prescription whenever you were.
Yeah, that's fine.
Yeah, so this is where I'll fight against a lot of the red pill spaces, right?
So I think that the number one explainer for women's success is women historically have been very feminine because they're females and biology and blah, One of the things that women have done over the past few decades is they've incorporated successfully a lot of aspects of masculinity into their character that we previously thought weren't possible.
We didn't think that women would excel at school.
We didn't think that women could participate in certain STEM fields.
We didn't think that women could start to make all the gains in a lot of these peripheral industries that they started to.
And for a lot of places where they have, right?
So places like being like lawyers and stuff, not necessarily in STEM, although that's starting.
So as that's happened, as women have made those gains in masculinity, we're kind of like looking at men.
Men have basically, they're kind of still masculine, but we haven't worked on kind of like rounding out like how men navigate the world at all, which would probably be the incorporation of some feminine features.
So being emotionally intelligent, being able to communicate with people on a better level, having some level of like measured control of themselves.
Probably decrease the suicide rates among men.
Potentially, yeah.
So what we've done is we've kind of like shit on men completely.
So the left will say like, fuck men, figure it out.
And then the red pill comes in and it's like, you need to be even more masculine.
But it's like the reality is 50, 60, 70 years ago, if you wanted a wife, all you needed was a paycheck because she's not going to school and she's not working.
Now that they're going to school and working, you've got to have more.
What's the value proposition for a woman to get into a relationship?
It can't just be that you have a job anymore.
Yes, I just wanted to add, yeah, you're absolutely right.
I do think that men are like, I don't want to say oppressed, but yeah, pretty much nowadays they are.
Like you see people saying men ain't shit, men ain't that.
And you wonder why the suicide rates are so high because we don't give the same amount of support to men as we do to women.
There's women support groups, there's women this, women, that, but we need to focus on men as well.
That's true, but arguably one of the impediments to bring up the patriarchy thing, one of the impediments to that, I think, is this idea of like, what is an ideal man or what is a man supposed to be?
Because suicide rates per men have always been high.
But so have things like violent crime rates, so have things like homicide rates, so things like incarceration rates.
And it's not just because the judges are unfair.
In some cases, they are.
It's because men are the ones that are out in the streets getting work done when shit is falling apart.
I think Andrew Tate is the response too, because He's 1,000%, like that's why during World War II, everybody suddenly voted someone into power, right?
Because he was fucking very extreme on the other side of things.
So I think he's just representing a gigantic vacuum that's needed because I left America in 2012, right?
I haven't lived here consistently since like, you know, I lived here for like 11 months, 2016, and I saw enough writing on the wall to get the fuck out of here.
But when I come back to America, it's just like consistently this like, how can we put more accountability on men and how can we take more accountability away from women?
And then like the mainstream media, the music, the video games, like you're in the gaming industry too, you know, like everything is just like piling on to shit on men and like endlessly jerk off women.
And guys kind of just like, all right, like it's kind of gotten to this point where it's fucking ridiculous.
Like guys absolutely have issues too, but men are just not going to sit around and cry and feel sorry for themselves.
But women will, nine times out of ten, they will do that.
You know what I mean?
I mean, men do that too.
Or they will, but they want to.
I agree with you, but there's not a social stigma around men crying about the bullshit in their life.
Sometimes they're crying, they just kill themselves.
It's fair play compared to women.
You know what I mean?
So that's why I think this Tate thing is a giant pendulum swing back.
The only issue.
Jonathan and Stephen, I want to get back to the original question.
Asking in terms of your prescription to help support men better in our society so we can restore menace.
I know.
And I also want to hear from John on this too.
We can go Stephen, John, and then John.
You mentioned better emotional tools for men.
You also mentioned men, it needs to be clarified what men are bringing to the table beyond just a paycheck because now that we're past the 1950s, as you were saying, that's not enough of a value proposition.
So that needs to be clarified.
What else would you say needs to be added to the equation to best support them?
I feel like the spaces that are designed right now for men, I'll broadly say like the manosphere, are not doing a good job.
So the only experience, if you are a man and you're looking for support, and then you come to these spaces, personally, I feel like they give like some of the worst advice in terms of like how to succeed, right?
I'm going to be really cringe here, and I'm going to borrow from Ben Shapiro.
I think he has like three classic points.
Not a high-value man.
I think he has three classic points for at least escaping poverty.
I believe one is don't have a kid before you're married.
I think two is graduate high school.
And I think three was get a job, wasn't it?
Is that number three?
But these are like really, really good.
Common sense indicators.
For sure.
And I feel like, so, for instance, when I come to red pill spaces, something's really, in my opinion, really sad, is the constant shunning of like college and higher education.
Because that is the, when you look at all of the successful people, I don't know if I can say it, but like in these red pill spaces, there's a lot of like wealthy controllers of society that people are like, oh, these guys weren't everything.
They're doing everything, blah, blah, blah.
And then it's like, okay, well, fine, let's say they do that.
Well, what do they do with their kids?
Their kids are like a guy whose name is Goldstein, he's not training his kid to be the best dropshipper, okay?
He's not training his kid to get into crypto.
He's sending his kid to the best fucking universities in the world to get a high quality education, to graduate and do shit with his life.
And it feels like in these spaces, he demonized the fuck out of college education.
Now, if you want to say that there are things like apprenticeships are going into trades, which is good, I fully agree with that 100%.
But oh my God, if there's like one piece of advice I can impart that you would care that a blue-haired cuck would tell you online, if you're a man, you're trying to make it in the world, you are way better off becoming an electrician or a plumber if you don't want to go to college because fuck school.
I fuck out of school.
Okay, I understand fuck school, okay?
Where I quit school, right?
If you want to do that, at least pick up a trade.
Don't try to make it in this fucking crypto dropshipping world because you're not doing it.
Based on that.
Based recommendation of the trades.
Give me some facts.
I learned a couple years ago that if a young guy wants to get into welding, for example, he can be making over $120,000 a year from the start of his education, two years into it, he can be making six figures.
And there's not enough of that being preached.
So I can put it in the middle of the market.
And you don't see, and the problem too is that when it comes to crypto, you can see all the winners.
You don't see all the losers, which are huge, like 90% plus.
Even a lot of the winners eventually become losers.
Did you ever see?
I don't want to call anybody in particular.
I'm sorry, but like, do you remember?
Do you remember when Boogie 2988?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He made a video about how happy he was that a huge crypto investment paid off.
Was it two months or was it a year later or whatever?
He's like, guys, listen up.
I'm selling the Tesla because my shit got fucked.
Yeah.
Yeah, I got a rug.
Yeah, I think it doesn't help that.
Well, I love Andrew.
Hold on, hold on.
He's been waiting to speak.
I want to go to John and John.
So, yeah, no, my thing is I run something called the Masculine Empowerment Network, right?
M-E-N.
And so I tell guys, like, the general, you know, the rule of life that a man should focus on, I call the core four, which is make money, make muscles, learn game, and hold frame.
That's my prescription.
I know, like, you know, you don't like the general red pill prescription.
I'm like, the red pills kind of like adopted me as their one of their spokespeople, but I'm just my own thing.
And I will say to the red pill community too, whichever fucking, which camera is it?
This one?
This one?
I don't know.
That one?
That one right there.
So I will say this in Destiny's defense, guys.
For you guys that are red pill and jumping on Destiny's fucking back for bullshit.
He's his own man.
He's made his own money and he's decided to live his own way of life.
If that's not Red Pill, I don't know what the fuck to say it is because he's not like a slave to the system.
You know, he has his own things.
And you guys have to learn to be okay with encountering people in life who don't agree with the way you live.
And I think, you know, it's pretty obvious.
Like you're clearly, you know, if we were to categorize it like a high-value man, like objectively speaking, I mean, just like, just, yeah, no, I know.
I'm not.
I'm talking to the chat, not you.
You already know this, you know?
But like multiple women, having autonomy, you know, having a good amount of financial income.
So, anyways, going back to the thing, my thing is just simply this.
I tell guys, I tell them the exact same thing you say.
I say, make money, which is have a career or skill that will ideally lead you to six figures at some point down the road within five to seven years.
Make muscles, which is basically just don't be fat.
I mean, everybody in America is so fucking fat.
It blows my mind every time I come back here.
Don't be fat.
Don't be fat.
Be telling your men to live.
And also even go to the channel.
Walk 30 minutes a day.
Anything to get you out of your house.
So, right.
But the general message is don't be fat, which is not okay because biologically speaking, that's just terrible for you, right?
Learn game is just understanding the difference between a good woman who is like genuinely interested in you and a woman who has, you know, other ulterior motives for you, which now today those are very, you know, common.
And then hold frame, which is basically a guy needs to understand the concept of boundaries because I think a lot of men and women don't have an idea of the concept of boundaries.
I found out about the concept of boundaries when I was 35.
I'm 37 now.
And I wish I could understand what boundaries were.
And then more importantly, the enforcement of those boundaries as well.
So that's what I tell guys to focus on the core four.
Make money, make muscles, learn game, hold frame, money, muscles, game, frame.
That's my prescription.
I don't know if you disagree with it, but that's my solution that I run for this because I have a lot of guys too.
I have people within the Masculine Empowerment Network that teach these guys how to code, teach these guys how to get jobs in cybersecurity, teach them about like, you know, there are viable options in the trades.
Like, for example, power alignment.
Like, within 10 years, like, America's going to be really fucking shit out of luck when it comes to power alignment.
These jobs can get you up to $200,000.
Power alignment?
Power alignment.
These are the guys who climb the power linemen.
Power lines.
The dudes taking care of the power lines, guys.
Exactly.
And these jobs can get you to 200,000 with under five years.
You know what I mean?
Because this whole influencer bullshit, like I'm a creator, I'm this, I'm a fucking crypto millionaire.
No, you're not.
People will say, shit, like the West is falling and like every kid wants to be a YouTuber.
And you're like, don't be a YouTuber, be a dropshipper.
Exactly.
So like, do you, like, from one of the, I know it's a very TLDR prescription I give you, but you know, that's my perspective on this.
Yeah, sure.
I saw like I would agree with the four, but what we're probably going to fight is like what you mean by three and four.
Like learn game, hold frame are going to be the things that we deserve.
So like for instance, when you talk about like the importance of boundaries, I would argue, I don't want to go back for too much because I know you want to say something.
I would argue that a boundary that I would consider to be very strange is the big push in some of these space for one-sided open relationships.
That seems like something that I don't think I would ever advocate for my audience to try to pursue somebody.
But you do realize there are women that are okay with that.
I mean, and there are men that are okay getting fucked in the ass, but we wouldn't say that everybody should be homosexual, right?
Well, I mean, I'm just saying, a boundary's a boundary.
A boundary is a boundary.
And I'm just saying that.
Amazon, if you've had an NMF.
I don't think those sort of relationships are going to be successful in most cases.
What is it?
I don't think those sort of relationships is going to be successful in those.
But the relationship, I mean, it's going to have a higher success relationship than being in an open relationship because open relationships, especially when the woman is out there sleeping around, have a 92% failure rate.
Yeah, but what is the failure rate for one-edit over relationships?
I don't know.
Yeah, probably really.
I don't know.
But I will say men have been doing that a lot since the beginning of life.
Maybe they should be ashamed of it at least.
What?
Wait, but it's a one-sided open relationship.
Maybe it should be like something considered shameful and not something that's promoted.
Yeah.
I just, yeah, my biggest issue, and this is maybe my feminist coming out, is I think a big issue today is asymmetry in relationships.
Pushing for asynchronous.
If you feel trapped if you're a woman, if you can't do things, like let's say that you say, I'm not okay with an open relationship on just your side, and I say, okay, but in that case, I'm going to dump you.
And she doesn't have a job.
She doesn't have any stability.
She just feels like a lot of people.
Hyper extreme.
I don't think I should be able to do that.
People are not going to get in a relationship and then kind of disclose that later after they're married.
And she's fully dependent on the guy.
She's quit her job.
It seems like a lot of people.
It's got to bring things around.
Well, also, to bring things around, though, that's one of the issues is what Tate kind of did, right?
Is I love you.
Come to Romania.
We're going to get married.
We're going to be a couple.
We're going to do things.
And then, I know you want to comment up.
I'm saying that was.
I'm not a big fan of telling a woman to move to another country and quit her job and be fully dependent on me in a manipulative standpoint.
I don't do that.
I just wanted to say, like, I'm not trying to be a pick-me, but I'm just saying that as a woman, I do want to support a man no matter what, like, no matter what he chooses to do, whether it be dropshipping, as unsuccessful as he might be, I want to be there every step of the way.
However, I do think that people should also, like, women themselves should try to get jobs to help support the family, help support everyone else.
Because you don't want to end up like, you're saying, like, how Tate is just bringing women in and then, like, he just dumps them, and then they have nothing else to do.
All these men kind of want to have like a wife at home with kids that's taking care of the kids like full-time.
Yeah, but at the same time, there's like no space to have a job.
At the same time, taking care of the kids and taking in the man does involve trying to find financial stuff for yourself, trying to fund it, trying to like make, you know, money make a living.
Which when it comes to work and stuff.
I think it's a lot stronger than I have to get caught up on donations because we're really behind stuff.
John, what do we need to do to make men great again, bro?
Tell us about the path to salvation.
There's a lot there.
I think, you know, we've spoken a lot this evening about this idea of progress, particularly with women.
I think that the word connotes good, but I don't think it's been good.
I mean, the woman, or I should say maybe the profile of the person in this country who is supposedly she who has benefited the most from all the liberation and progress that women have made would probably be like, you know, a single working woman, middle-aged with no children.
She's been liberated from, you know, the constraints of biology, be that her bearing children.
She's been liberated from the constraints of a husband having to provide for her.
She's a career woman.
She's working.
She doesn't need all that, you know, no need for a man or anything like that.
But that also happens to be the profile of the person in this country who's the most likely to be taking SSRIs.
And I think there's something to be said about that.
I also think that it's easier for women to adapt to, like Stephen said, more masculine aspects of society because they're naturally, because of biology, more agreeable and more socialized.
So I think it's easier to fit them into that framework.
I don't think you can do the same with men.
If you look at the suicide rates with men, for example, they're the highest they've ever been, broadly speaking.
But we don't enforce those standards of masculinity like we would have in the 1950s, for example, where probably you had the strictest enforcement of those ideas of like what a man should be, how he should act, things like that.
But men weren't killing themselves at the rates that they are now.
So I think that, and I'm probably, I think the youngest guy here, I'm 23.
I remember being in elementary school.
They started bringing guidance counselors.
There was all this talk about boys needing to express their feelings more.
Boys need to do this.
You see it everywhere throughout society, but for some reason that doesn't quite catch on.
But when someone comes along, like an Andrew Tate, who I agree with pretty much everything you said about him, or even like a Jordan Peterson, who basically took fatherly advice and delivered it through a lens of like union psychology, it's like this rapid organic popularity.
People literally go to like Jordan Peterson events with like tears in their eyes, thanking this guy for telling them how to basically like be a vaguely responsible man.
So I don't think the answer is to take men and make them more androgynous and maybe adapt to a more androgynous frame of society.
I think you need to make men be men again.
And results in the late, I think women need to be like women again because I don't think women are happy.
I don't think men are happy.
And I don't think that they experience depression the same way.
Women tend to experience depression in a much more environmental sense, meaning they are directly affected by their environment.
If they're unhappy, I think that makes them depressed.
Men experience depression when there's no way out of that environment.
I think that we are perfectly okay with going through something, but if we don't see a way out because of all the progress that women have made, we've had to tilt the scale so you guys have a greater advantage in pretty much every aspect of life.
And men just don't see that light at the end of the tunnel.
That's why we just kill ourselves.
That's why, you know, the common thing is like, well, yeah, men are more likely to kill themselves, but women are more likely to attempt it.
Okay, well, why would that be?
Because women are like, I'm upset.
And men are just like, yeah, I'm not going to get out of this.
And they blow their head off or something.
And I think that speaks to the differences in our natural predispositions as men and as women.
And I think that we need to acknowledge that for what it is and restore what would be considered a more traditional set of gender roles in society.
I think just real quick, the issue that I have with that, without even getting into the pros and cons of everything, is everything you've said will never come to fruition.
This is my biggest issue with drugs.
The problem is that you're never getting rid of birth control because women don't want to go back to that.
And most men probably wouldn't even accept that.
And you're never taking women out of the workforce and education, right?
For as much as you talk about traditional stuff has only benefited the miserable middle-aged woman, the woman to your left that's working on Tim Poole's show has largely benefited from feminism because women are taken seriously in terms of their own political opinions, even at young ages.
So I mean, like, I don't think we're ever going back to a world where like women don't have reproductive control and women aren't allowed to go to school and enter their workforce.
I would agree with you, I think, if I shared your worldview in that you seem to have a much more positive or maybe optimistic view of where our country is headed, where I'm sure those of us on this side of the table think like collapse is imminent.
So I think that if and when that happens, which I don't think a collapse would happen in the way that people like to fantasize about where there's like civil war and who would you model ourselves after?
Like, who do you think is doing better than us right now?
I think that it's going to reach a point where...
Come on.
Sorry, go ahead.
I was just going to say, I think it'll reach a point where the cultural entropy will reach a state where people want to do away with these ideas.
Like you mentioned, for example, things are going like pretty well if our biggest problem is that men want to use the women's restroom or vice versa.
I think that things get a lot worse than that, where those problems will be abandoned and we return to tradition, so to speak.
But I do think it is a very real problem.
Because yeah, it's one thing if a guy wants to use a girl's bathroom, but that is like one facet of the whole issue, which is like we are redefining sex and gender.
And maybe Russia is a crappy country, but their descendants are still going to be Russians and they're still going to have access to normal children.
Whereas in this country, I might not be facing a land war, but I don't know that my children aren't going to be brainwashed by the popular culture to mutilating their genitalia.
I certainly don't have my heritage anymore.
I certainly am not able to be proud of my history.
So if I don't even have my future, it's like, is this really a great country because I have reasonable access to like food, sex, entertainment?
Like, no, I mean, these countries, I think, are better in a more clear.
I think this country produced awesome things like even today.
I think things like this podcast are evidence of it.
Russia's heritage is circle-jerking themselves over World War II, where they were the defenders against Nazism.
So they weren't even aggressors against it, right?
America is the country that ended, and the West is largely who won against World War II against Hitler.
The only reason the Soviets killed so many people is because the Nazis tried to invade their homeland.
I thought, I mean, like, when you look at like Russia, no offense to Russia, economically, that country is not doing too well.
Socially, that country has a ton of problems.
Because the empire collapsed.
Well, yeah, sure.
The empire collapsed.
And even internally, there are a ton of issues that Russia just.
Like, sure, like, Putin can come out and give, like, what are really, like, even right-wing American talking points of, like, you know, the gays in the West are destroying everything.
And, you know, the jokes in the beginning of the Ukrainian war were literally like, are your trans soldiers going to be defeating our proud, you know, Russian ethnic persons?
And now you've got like Russian dudes who are like committing suicides in ditches because now these trans-Russian soldiers are like flying drones and dropping grenades on them, right?
And I mean, you've got like the archetypical like trans Ukrainian dropping fucking grenades on like two Russians giving each other head in like a fucking bunker somewhere.
And it's like, what's actually happening here?
I don't disagree that there are problems.
And listen, okay, I'll say it here.
I'm welcoming a little bit of a snapback on Sunshine because there are some things in this country that are fucking insane, okay?
A lot of the transition is really crazy.
Everybody thinks you side for the crazy stuff.
Nobody thinks that because I casual views are casual.
But I'm literally banned on Twitch permanently that I streamed out for two years.
I love yours.
I love you.
Because I was against some of the trans athlete stuff, right?
And I got involved in it.
But I'm just saying that, like, so I'm not saying that a snapback is necessarily wrong, but like, it's still moving in a certain direction.
Women are never, ever, ever going to give up everything they've gotten.
Nobody wants to give up that much autonomy in France.
Well, you are presupposing that we would ask them permission before we would simply.
Well, okay, so maybe it's not really fucking sad.
I think women would literally like it would be if you want civil women.
We took away your right to an abortion and you like cried about it outside of buildings when the police like blocked you off and then you basically went back to your life.
There's a surge of like legislation and women getting like politically active because of that.
It's like politicized nagging.
It's like this is not if there were a civil war between men and women.
No, I don't absolutely.
Women would absolutely win because there would be men that would side with them.
And a civil war between men and women being men are going to kill all the women and be like, wait, why?
You'd have like all the people.
And those men would be simply women's suffrage in Acting.
Women's suffrage only happened because there were men that also wanted it, right?
Like the majority class, like men in general, there's a huge talent pool.
There's a really interesting thing.
I get a lot of emails about this.
Sorry, I don't want to fucking drone us too much.
When it comes to like crazy, like weird like trans people and autistic people and blah, blah, blah, there's a lot of talent there that has migrated to a place like San Francisco.
We make fun of it for being like the LGBT capital of the world.
There's a lot of programmers and a lot of talent in that pool though because demographically they're drawn to those types of jobs.
Because a lot of times, like if you can code, you can code.
I don't give a fuck if you have a dick or a vagina or if you use Z-zero pronouns or whatever.
If you can do the work, you can do the work.
So I just, the thing that I like about our Western society, to bring it back, is that we have problems with how much diversity we push.
I agree.
But holy shit, we've been able to siphon so much fucking talent out of a lot of that diversity.
Even Andrew Tate himself is to some extent a product of a really globalized world that is connected to so many different ethnic and religious and cultural markets.
Yeah.
John, I definitely want to hear more from you, but I do need to just keep things moving along here.
So, okay, we have Brock here with the 200.
Thank you, man.
Chase, Proverbs 5, question mark, question mark.
Unfortunately, I'm not able to pull it up, but I have it on my phone.
People have spent like six or seven hundred dollars asking for me to read it.
Do you want me to read it?
What is it?
Is it?
It's a TOS.
No, it's not.
It is a chapter in Proverbs about the adulterous woman.
It's a warning against adultery.
Is it long?
I'll read a couple verses.
It says, My son, pay attention to my wisdom.
Turn your ear to my words of insight that you may maintain discretion and your lips may preserve knowledge.
For the lips of the adulterous woman drip honey, and her speech is smoother than oil.
But in the end, she is bitter as gall, sharp as a double-edged sword.
Her feet go down to death.
Her steps lead straight to the grave.
She gives no thought to the way of life.
Her paths wander aimlessly, but she does not know it.
Now, there's a lot of left to it, but I'll leave it at that.
Okay.
Yo, I'll thank you for the 100.
Destiny and Melina, can you please give Lex Friedman my number?
How is such a kind, successful guy single?
Is he lying?
Oh, that'd be cool to have Lexus.
You should get him here and ask him over and over again if he's a virgin.
I would love to.
I would love to have Lex on the show.
That'd be because I've heard him talk a little bit about dating stuff.
But, anyways, we have Jeff Raid Maker.
Let me see if I can pull this one up.
So it actually pops up on screen here.
Oh, there's only one of them.
I'll pull up one of them and the other one I can't.
With respect to the two feminists, have been difficult to listen to because they've been vague and pedantic.
Destiny, you've been razor sharp and cool.
Chase, you're awesome, bro.
Above all, all y'all loved and important no matter what.
Yo, Jeff, thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
What does pedantic mean?
I will say, to Pixie's credit, she was much better than her friend.
Also, to my credit, I've been in this for like 12 years, right?
Yeah.
Pixie, do you want to fire back at them?
I mean, I'm just trying my best here.
Like, that's all I really want to say.
Like, I don't want to make you guys feel like I'm just trying to disagree to disagree.
Yeah, you're fine.
You're fine.
We have Brock.
He's also dragging the thing.
You literally got fucking firefighting.
Okay.
You can't be insulting people.
All right.
Call that.
Hey, I just want to say, Brock, thanks for the super chat, Brock, and thank you for encouraging some reading on the word on such a large platform, bro.
Christian.
And then we have Jeff here.
Unfortunately, I won't be able to make it pop up.
But with respect, the feminist tag team, wait, he sent it twice?
Oh, he pulled a Destiny.
Listen to me because you've been big.
Destiny, you are razor sharp in this convo, and I've appreciated you.
Chase, you're awesome, and all of you are loved and important no matter what.
Thank God.
Thank God.
Okay, I'll explain you guys.
All right, now we have a ton of super chats we got.
Actually, it's not too many.
Let's try to get through them.
And if you have Brian, whose phone is fucking going off right now.
Somebody's getting assumed.
That might be wrong.
Did you not hear that?
I heard it.
I don't hear it.
Walking the wire, thank you for the $100, bro.
He said, good to see Destiny, the best debater on YouTube on the panel.
Also, welcome back, Chase.
Thank you, Walking the Wire.
Thank you, Walking.
Mike Davis.
Destiny can be a little bit more than that.
Destiny is the type to pull his pants all the way down at the urinal.
Brian, you should be ashamed to give this beta cuck a platform.
Instead of hoping podcast hopping is what I'm going to say.
Instead of hopping podcast to podcast, have him hop in the ring with me.
I kick his ass so bad his quote-unquote girl will have to identify him.
By the way, this is Mike Davis.
That's literally a real?
Is this a real?
He looks like the kind of guy that wouldn't be interested in Melina because she's about 14 years too old for him.
What the fuck?
Shots fired.
Mike Davis.
Shots fired.
Also, Steven, we all already said you can't be reading those comments because these guys are jerking off at Singapore.
I like it.
I like getting along.
Because it's like the sort of humiliation.
Yeah, they're edging themselves, waiting for them to come up on screen, but that's not good.
Mike Davis is a long-term supporter of our show.
That's good.
Why is he such a cheap ass and he donates $99.99 instead of the $400?
That's a good question.
Maybe he's missing a pattern or something.
It's Android versus iPhone.
Oh, isn't it?
keep hitting super chats yeah if you're on the bedo papa hanyan thank you for the hundred bucks bro He said, having Chase and Mary together and observing their energy and mindset is like walking in heaven with Adam and Eve.
Keep it up.
Also, Mary, do you have a sister?
No, only brothers.
All right.
We have DJ Takvar here.
Thank you, man.
Brian, been watching for a while, and I'm hooked.
I used to live in SLO, which is some city I don't know.
San Luis Obispo?
Yeah, but move to America for the—is SLO not in America?
Where is that?
Comifornia.
It's like an hour north of here.
Okay, I used to live in SLO, which is a lot of people.
I'm not sure if I can do it.
But moved to America for the 2A rights.
Hashtag Comiformia.
Why did he move to fucking California for Second Amendment rights?
We'd love to see these dating dynamics nowadays in California.
Shout out, Chase.
MLD, Mary, put these clowns away.
I don't want to share our oxygen with them.
You want to fire back at that?
Yeah, fire back, Destiny.
Why is he living in California?
Because we're Second Amendment rights.
That's the real question.
And by the way, San Jose is a good idea.
Oh, he's saying that he used to live in San Luis Obispo, but he moved to real America for the Second Amendment rights.
Oh, real America.
This one's for you, Destiny.
Man, trying to pinpoint it exactly, but there's something seriously wrong in the head with this Destiny guy and the beard beside him.
And then you have this wannabe grease ball, MLD.
What does MLD mean?
That's great.
Oh, that's true.
L-panel.
You're a rose among thorns.
Bring back the alphas, Waller and Sterling.
Hey, thanks, Mike Davis.
Appreciate that, man.
Waller kind of got dragged a little bit recently.
A little bit.
Oh, I saw those Twitter clips with the lady.
With Leela?
He got dragged all over Twitter, man.
Oh, no.
Justin Waller is going to be a-okay, viral clip or not.
I thought it was a good idea.
Thank you for the Australian man.
Yo, Chase, from the Land Down Hunter, we respect you.
You are the Lord's warrior.
Boy, thanks, mate.
Appreciate it, bruv.
Milky Way Moses.
Thank you for the 100, man.
Chase, you want to read this one?
Yeah, he says, Destiny and Chase, question.
You both give great advice.
Thank you.
Destiny, I enjoy being my good, kind-hearted self.
During my degenerate life, I got many women, but now I'm better-ish, and they ignore.
Chase, I'm tempted to go back to church.
How do you control sexual temptation?
Do you want to address his comment first?
Don't control it.
I think that sex is like alcohol, video games, whatever hobby you partake in.
There are healthy ways to indulge in certain hobbies, and there are unhealthy ways to indulge, right?
If talking to people, hooking up is something that you enjoy, just make sure you're safe.
Make sure you're not like throwing away your life to do it.
Make sure that you're keeping the rest of your life in order while you're pursuing those things.
Same thing I would say with drinking or gambling or anything else.
But that means not really.
He was also asking me.
Here's what I'll tell you, brother.
The reason why I started being abstinent back in 2020, I saw the way that the world was going.
It's my opinion that biblical prophecies are shaping up to be fulfilled right now.
And I made the decision to be abstinent, to stop having sex with my girlfriend at the time because I knew it was a sin against my own body, against her body, and against the Lord.
And I also knew that I wanted to secure God's favor over my life.
I wanted to honor God with my life, and I wanted God to reward me in turn for that.
And quite honestly, he has, man, in spades.
So I would just encourage you, seek to honor the Lord with your life.
Pray to him for where it is that you want to go in life, what it is that you want.
Jesus promised us in John chapter 15, if we pray for something in his name and it's to the Father's glory, he will give it to us.
And you see throughout the Bible, there's a precedent.
When people seek to honor the Lord with their lives, God is much more likely to answer their prayers.
So that's what I would tell you.
Big W for God.
Can I add something on this?
Hold on, hold on.
Let's keep it moving.
Mike Davis is a little blank on FNF talking trash.
And when they talk back, he trends them and exposing, but never does.
That's some whack-ish Mike do better.
He's probably not in the chat anymore.
Mike Davis.
Mike Davis, I will fight you in place of destiny.
I will fight you in place of destiny.
Mike Davis, you got to fire back at Keon De Esse.
What did you want to add?
Oh, I just wanted to say, like, as someone who does practice abstinence as a virgin, I do agree because it's helped me weed a lot of bad people out.
Because a lot of people have the wrong intentions when you first meet them, and they immediately want sex out of you.
And when you do that, when you hook up with them, like the first few times you, you know, get with them, it's like they already see that you're.
I mean, there's pros and cons to everything, though, right?
Because I would argue, I probably have huge discrimination here, but I would argue that like men that are hunting virgins sometimes are looking for people that they can exploit as well, right?
Yes, certainly.
I do think it is good, and I would argue to some men's chagrin, I think that if you're a woman and you're looking for a serious relationship, how you treat sex has to be done in a very careful way.
Because if you're fucking a guy on the first date, it's really hard to figure out like who's serious and who's just trying to play or whatever, right?
Like I'll hear some guys say like, oh, this chick didn't want to fuck until the fifth or sixth date.
I'm fucking out of there.
And I was like, okay, well, you were never in her dating pool anyway, because that's not what she was looking for.
So I think that having some reasonable access to sex is like okay if you're looking for something more serious for sure.
You should probably build on that too on like how guys looking for conservative, decent women, these women are not going to give it up on the first, second, or third date.
Yeah, but I don't think guys here are ever looking for conservative women.
They're looking for hoes with low body counts.
So you say guys in the red pill nanoscope space.
You are not.
Here's the thing I'll give you, and I've come from religious communities, and this is true, and I don't know who will disagree with me here.
There are some people that are on massive cope from like the Tate industry that disagree with this.
You're a guy and you've ran through 20, 30, 40 women, the types of conservative women that you talk about are never going to want to be with you.
And I know that we have some disagreements on: do women care about body count, blah, blah, blah.
If you're looking for a conservative woman, she's not going to be with a guy that wanted to be a fuckboy throughout all of his 20s.
It's not going to happen.
But I think it would be, so I'll push back slightly on that in saying that.
I think it would be a larger disqualifier for a man looking at a woman who has a large body count than a woman looking at a man who has a large body count.
Certainly.
I don't know.
I think it really makes sense.
One thing, Destiny, we have your girlfriend in the chat.
Thank you.
Is she wearing glasses with no lenses on?
That's the most important question right now.
A pseudo-intellectual.
I want to add something on Nev to what you were saying.
This is my advice to all marriage-minded women out there, okay?
To your point, if you're a woman and you want to get married and you want to find a guy who wants to marry you, who you will have a good marriage with, one of the best things that a young woman in your shoes can do is tell the guy, Yeah, I'm going to wait until marriage to have sex.
Because a guy who's truly interested in you for who you are and who loves you as a person and wants to spend the rest of their life with you, they're going to be cool with waiting until marriage to have sex.
Now, there's going to be some guys out there, there's going to be some guys out there that are like, Hey, I want to test drive the vehicle before I purchase it, right?
That's a really negative way to say it.
That's intentionally so.
Yeah, I know, but like, sex is a really important part of a relationship.
It would fucking suck to marry somebody and then realize you guys are totally sexual.
But there's also ways to go about having that conversation before actually getting married where you can't get it.
Yeah, but if you're both abstinent, you can't really not.
If you're both abstinent, you're not really having that conversation.
I mean, look, I'm going to be honest: like, in the stage of my life where I'm at where I'm looking for a wife, like, I can tell speaking to a woman, having conversations with her, like, there's an energy exchange.
You absolutely cannot tell if you'll be sexual without a woman.
Yes, I can.
There's an energy exchange.
Okay, maybe if your standards for good sex are really low.
Come on, no, you've never met a girl.
Oh, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Destiny, destiny.
Yes, it comes down to chemistry.
Honestly, it comes down to chemistry.
I've had girlfriends in the past where I could tell based on the energy exchange that we were going to have a good sexual relationship, and I was 100% correct when it happened.
There are many people that I've met that I've had really, really like, like when we were hanging out, like in public, really, really strong chemistry, and the sex was the worst I've ever, ever, ever had.
Why should sexual chemistry define the entire relationship?
I didn't say it should, but there are things that can be like a necessary part, meaning it needs to be there, but it's not sufficient.
It's not the whole relationship.
So, there are a lot of different things.
So, for instance, like good hygiene is not the only thing a relationship is about, but bad hygiene might be an end point of a relationship, right?
Which is why I think you should wait because then you get to appreciate the qualities in a person more.
No, I'm not saying you can't appreciate it, but what I'm saying is that like there's some level of sexual experience that you can bring to the table in a relationship, and there's some level of like sexual enjoyment that you're not going to know about until you've already sealed the deal on getting married that might be a deal breaker further on, like for the relationship.
But I agree with his point that he's saying, like, come on, because you've sometimes you've like felt a girl like, dude, this girl and me, like, we fucking want each other.
I've fucked enough women at this point to know that I never, ever, ever assume how good she's going to be in bed because I've had my mind blown with how bad some people are and with how good some people are.
Fair play, but you have felt like that kind of sexual tension, like in a positive part between you and another person.
But I'm saying that doesn't sexual sex is later on.
Not to take away like the mystique of it, but like sex is a skill that you practice.
It's an attitude that you come in with it, and it's a deliberate improvement if you want to get better at it.
Yeah, right.
So, just like having chemistry, I've had like hardcore chemistry with some people, and then I have some of the most awkward fucking, they're trying to move while you're trying to fuck.
Their mouth is toothy as fuck when they're giving head.
They're like, there's all sorts of like weird shit happening.
Just chemistry alone is not going to make you feel like you're not going to be able to do it.
You can communicate about that in order to improve.
That's not like a follow-up.
The point I'm trying to get to.
Let's say, what if you get with a girl and then you get married, and then you find out afterwards she's like, I don't believe in oral sex.
Have that conversation with her.
Out of there, you could, but you could, but you don't know if that's going to be the case.
Because she might say, like, oh, yeah, that sounds like it'd be really fun.
And then she tries it the first time your honeymoon night, and she's like, ooh, this isn't fun.
I don't like this.
Yeah, I mean, I think I think with sufficient communication, you can overcome that hurdle.
And to go back to what we were saying a second ago, look, I've slept with seven women.
Every single one, like, I could feel the energy exchange, and I already had an idea of what it was going to be like to be with them.
I was right with every single one of them.
So, like, I think if you, look, autistic people, like, it's going to be a little bit more difficult because it's hard to read the energy and stuff.
But, like, with that aside, you know, if you can read the person well, you do have super disagree.
Yeah, I think he's also slept with more women than you have, too.
He's probably a chill.
Oh, you had to bring that up.
What's your body count?
Is that a good idea to own myself?
What is your body count?
60 of your seven.
500 plus easily.
Dude, that's going to be like every single time you got to sleep.
Yeah, I know, and it's going to be different for other guys.
They might not be able to read.
But I think it's in charge of the sound.
I don't have to say that as a point, but every single time you slept with someone, that has to be like you just know, unless you're autistic.
But I think there's like a general positive indicator of him being right.
Like you can kind of meet someone who's not going to be able to get away from the people.
Yeah, but autistic people won't know.
I have said it's the population.
I agree with Destiny saying that autistic people should like to be able to do that.
You should answer this question because you brought it up that Stephen has more experience than he does.
Who do you think would be better at sex right now?
Steven or Chase?
I have no idea.
Definitely because you don't need to get a bit of a drink.
The gift chat or the pedal.
I don't think that it really has to do with this problem.
It's more about having the experience of if you had chemistry with someone.
If you had chemistry with someone in bed or versus like when you were before you slept with them.
Because it is the case.
If you had a lot of experience, then you know that the case could be that you have a lot of chemistry at work, but then in bed, it's like super, super awful.
Right?
I think also, I will say too, the original.
Hold on, but I will say that question is really revealing, okay?
The five best sexual partners that I've had in my life were all the people that I were in the long-term relationships with.
Some of the worst sexual experiences I've had were people that I started off, right?
My first serious girlfriend in high school, when we started off, we were both fucking virgins.
It was the most awkward, horrible shit.
And by the end, even still, those rank as like some of my best sexual experiences.
But it's because we got to know each other and because we managed to have sexual compatibility.
We developed that through the relationship.
Like on a one-night stand, it's hard to know.
Like, one of the things are even that fun sexually, depending on what you're looking for.
You're sexually sold.
What?
Unless you're sexually starved.
I can agree that the longer you're with somebody, the better sex gets.
So why is she not enough?
Why is she not enough?
It's kind of like asking, it's kind of like if you've got like a close friend, but then you've got other friends.
Like, well, why is that one friend not enough?
Because in life, sometimes variety is fun.
Sometimes I want to be with a girl that's Hispanic or Asian.
Sometimes I want to be with somebody that is.
That's not a friendship.
I didn't say marriage was a friendship, but marriage to me isn't just about my dick going in her vagina.
There's a lot of aspects to my marriage that I share with my wife that's really unique to my wife that I don't share with other people.
My dick is just not one of those things.
That's why some people say that emotional cheating is also a thing in marriage.
Sure, that's great.
But I'm just saying that there are some closeness is only appropriate between spouses.
In your opinion, which is fine.
But there are some things that are fun to explore sex with other people that not everybody might like.
There might be some people that are into certain things that I'm not into that she gets another guy.
There might be some girls that are into certain things that they're into that she's not into.
So being able to explore sex with other people is just a fun thing if you're both okay with it.
Okay, so this value of fun, it's a very interesting one that's been brought up, right?
It's kind of like a chief value here in the discussion.
Sure.
And the question it begs in my mind is, God forbid this happens, will it be fun if this open relationship ends up causing things to fall apart down the line if one of you guys finds yourself in an entanglement, so to speak, with someone else?
No, that with somebody who you might find a deeper connection with than the other person.
Like if that causes the relationship to fall apart, that probably wouldn't be very fun.
No, it would be horrible.
And it would be sad.
But monogamous relationship have the same issue.
How many times do you have like a man that falls in love with a co-worker or a woman that falls in love with a friend that she spends too much time with?
Like monogamous people have to put up a lot of boundaries on their relationships too because they worry about the same types of things, you know?
And this is part of the reason why that is.
So I was conceived by a man who had an extra marital.
Oh, extra marital affair.
He had an extramarital affair with my mother, and he was extremely in love with her, and he felt a deeper connection from what I understand with my mother than he did with his wife, right?
And this is why we're trad Christians preaching the Christian gospel and the Christian way of life because it's like, yes, people will, like in marriage, people will likely find somebody else at some point in time during the marriage that they feel a stronger connection with.
But through embodying virtue, you can shut down that impulse.
You can resist that temptation and stuff.
And it's like, I don't know, I personally think that that's a better approach than entertaining it because what if someday one of you guys runs into somebody that you have a better emotional connection with?
Like what would you do then?
Again, I understand the question, but like monogamous people have this exact same problem.
They do what you rely on.
Yeah, but the guardian, in my opinion, is the history that you've built together, right?
There's probably the virtue that you choose to embody.
If that's what you want to do.
Yeah, but there's like history that still cheat, though.
There's probably some woman out there that would be like a better match for me than Lena.
There's probably some guy.
There's probably some guy out there that would be a better match for her than me.
But we've got like four and a half years up to now of history built together that we know.
And like our lifestyle works really well.
We match for everybody.
We want the same things.
Yeah.
So I think part of what makes a relationship work is that relationships require a lot of deliberate work.
They don't just happen and they don't just grow naturally.
It's not for a little bit for the beginning.
They require like a lot of deliberate, like, we're going to work on things, we're going to build on things, we're going to have this.
And that thing that you build is part of what makes you romantically attracted to each other.
Not in the honeymoon way, but in like this is a relationship that works kind of way.
And that thing you can't find with other people.
There might be a girl that I meet and I connect with in a ton of awesome ways, but it's like, I don't know.
But here's the thing about that.
I mean, you make a great point, but a lot of people.
Of course I do.
A lot of people build that foundation with one another over years and years.
But one of the things that happens with a lot of women, women are in many ways dominated by their emotions, right?
And men are not the same way.
We are, but like, one of the things that you hear very often happens in marriages is like, you know, there will be a bit of tension.
Maybe the guy gets fired from his job.
He's having a tough time finding a new one.
He loses some of his confidence.
You know, she's kind of got the ick from her husband for a bit.
And then like some Chad comes into the picture and he's like, hey, and he talks to her, right?
And then boom, she cheats.
Happens all the time.
Hold on.
I've heard it a million times.
Men cheat more than women.
Okay, yes.
You can have different reasons.
You can apply it to both sexes, though.
What I'm talking about, you can apply it to both sexes.
And at that point in time, your history, your foundation doesn't matter.
It all goes out the window the second that emotion changes.
Sure, but that would be the case whether or not we were open or closed.
Yeah, right?
If I lose all my confidence and I turn into a fucking loser and I just live smoking weed all day and play League of Legends, it's not like I'm going to rely on my monogamy to keep her trusted.
So I feel like it kind of helps having an open relationship too because you actually get to taste the things that you're interested in.
That might not be like a relationship, you know, like you'd live with them or you want to have a future with them, right?
But is that sustainable?
Yeah, do you guys like that?
Hold on, don't we have the longest relationship at this table so far?
You do, you do.
But like, do you guys have a high degree of confidence that your marriage will last for decades?
I mean, I married her without a prenup, so I fucking hope so.
Okay, where else this motherfucker is going to be?
I'm curious.
I'm curious what the chat thinks.
I'm curious what the chat thinks.
Do you guys have a high degree of confidence that their marriage will go the distance?
I mean, you shouldn't have a high degree of confidence in anybody because even monogamous marriages have like a 50% fucking fail rate, right?
Yeah, but like if you take, you know, again, to go back to the Christianity thing, if you really take your vows before God seriously and you're regularly attending church and like that's a really important thing to you, you know, you look at the data on that, the divorce rates are much lower than the average.
I understand what you're saying.
And it's hard to fight this because like it's hard without making it something like an attack on your relationship, okay?
You're asking me hard questions.
So, like, this is how I view it personally, okay?
I want my wife to be with me, not because I'm the only one she's allowed to fuck, and not because we made a promise in front of a Sky Fairy a long time ago that she has to be with me.
I want her to be with me because she loves me, because she respects me, because she thinks I'm the coolest guy for her, and because all the things that I'm doing are things that are inspiring to her and her life.
And with the way that our relationship works, I know that at every point we're with each other, it's because we match and exceed those expectations from each other, right?
She's not with me, she will never think that, like, oh, um, the only reason Steven hasn't like left me for another woman is because you know he could go fuck somebody else, right?
Because we can, we can do that, but we're still with each other at the end of the day, right?
That's like our marriage, that's how we view our relationship.
If for some people, vows and everything work, like that's cool, but I feel like with the type of lifestyle I lead, with the ways that I excel in my career, and with the way that she's like growing and excelling in her career, I would hope that the reasons why we're together are more than just because of vows some number of years ago.
Yeah, that's my point of view.
And I understand that's not for everybody, and some people do things differently.
But then, like, I also see, and I know personal examples, I won't call them out, but um, where people have taken those vows, and fuck, they're stuck in some miserable-ass fucking relationship.
It is, yeah, and they're like, Well, I took this vow, I don't want to fucking do it.
If I'm Catholic, I have to get an annulment, uh, it's gonna look bad in front of my whole family.
And then you see these really sad people in their 30s, okay, that are like the rest of my life is gonna be relegated to this miserable fuck relationship, and I can't get out because I promised somebody that I wouldn't.
And it's like, fuck, that's so sad, you know.
That's like so much worse than like anything else.
I get really sad whenever I see that.
I think the problem there is that they took the vow in the first place.
I think they didn't recognize how serious it was where you know they jumped into this relationship.
Or something like that.
Sometimes you don't know someone until you live with them for a little bit, and then you realize that this is not for me.
But then they've like hardcore committed.
Like, I was a virgin before this, no one's gonna want me again.
I'm religious, my parents are gonna hate me.
Like, and then they just are stuck in this relationship that might be really abusive.
And then they're having kids, and they don't dare to divorce.
And this is where, like, a hyper-niche example, though.
That's not a hyper-niche.
That's probably one of the norms.
That's probably one of the norms.
I don't know.
Absolutely.
Any sources, anything to back up?
Look at the divorce.
It's based on the fact that virgins, like people are not saving sex for marriage in general these days.
Like, that does not happen a lot.
Yeah, if you look at the statistics.
Hold on, hold on.
If you look at the statistics, hold on, hold on.
If you, I'm sorry, this point needs to be made.
If you look at the statistics on virgins who get married, they have a less than 2% divorce rate.
Yes, but what if those marriages are abusive?
This is like a hypothetical situation, but it's like what are the stats of the market?
The reason why they're not divorcing is because of the pressure that they have from their families and from the assumption that they come from.
It is an assumption, but there's some percentage.
I didn't bring that stuff together.
That's like good that that pressure is on them.
No, that's not good.
If it's abusive, because shame is shame is a good thing.
Abuse has always been considered grounds for divorce, you know.
Yeah, one of the things with physical abuses.
Physical abuses.
One of the things with the non-existent are not like lining up en masse to like beat their wives' asses.
That's like the wrong way.
No, no, no.
Because the general thing in America, the general thing in America is like, these feminists think like guys are like, all right, listen here, wife, you better fucking make some great tuna casserole.
I'm going to beat your fucking ass.
And it's just like, doesn't work.
No, no, no, no.
Nobody works.
Nobody knows that that's like what abuse looks like, right?
That's like the most strong man stereotype type form of abuse.
Okay, you guys know what abuse looks like?
Yeah, okay.
Let me tell you guys right now.
You don't even have to go as far as abusive.
Okay, that's cool.
Listening to Fresh's Girlfriend.
Hey guys, guys.
Let's get through the super chats.
Let's try to get through all of them.
And then if we want to continue any conversation, let's do that.
Dude, we do spicy one.
Yeah, we did.
We read that one.
Nathan, John, will you please wish JJ happy Mother's Day?
This is his final dying wish, John.
JJ, sweetheart, the face of the movement.
Happy Mother's Day, big guy.
We love you.
Beautiful.
Destiny, is this one for you?
Or who should read this?
Brian, I wanted to come down and show you how a real alpha deals with an unruly woman.
Never allow a nobody goof to dilute the quality of the show.
Plus, this seems lucky to have a woman as much as she is by his side, or he'd be seen as more eccentric than he already is.
He seems like the kind of guy that would call himself an alpha for beating women, too.
Good one, Mike Devil.
Some A1 firing backer.
$300 into this evening.
300 Burger Kingdom.
Yeah, by the way, I'm still waiting for my crown.
Please, I'm going to be going on a flight soon.
He owns like 300.
Wait, did he slide in your DMs, Mike Davis?
No, I just need the Burger King crown.
All right, we have Ryan the Eating Warrior.
Thank you, man.
Feminism kryptonite accountability with health cryptography.
How does that even make sense?
Facts.
I feel like women have some of the most harshest forms of accountability in society.
Like with being able to get out of pregnancies with abortion?
Like being able, like being forced to care for a kid for 18 years after you've had the child on the deck and just leave.
I mean, dude, nobody's forcing them.
They chose to have a kid.
Yeah, and so did the guy that left.
I know.
He's got more accountability.
She chose that man as her parents.
But the guy has the ability to get away from the children.
But would you blame the woman leaving?
The average payment for children is like $288 a month.
I mean, look, I don't think dudes should be able to just leave women.
Sure, I know, but I'm just saying, like, that's an example.
That's a really big accountability factor that has a lot of influence over your life.
And that's something where women are held ultimately accountable.
Maybe the lesson here is that women should be more selective with that.
That can be fine, and that can be the allescent.
However, you're allowed men to be better.
Sure, you say that women should be held accountable there.
That's what we've been doing.
I've been asking the whole podcast, how can we make men great again?
Sure.
You say that's how women should be accountable there.
I'm just saying that that's an example of, like, if a mistake is made with a child, more often than not, the woman is going to be held ultimately accountable for it.
It's a fair point.
That's a very harsh form of words.
It's a fair point.
Of course.
El Emirati with the British pounds.
Feminism is white supremacy for women.
They don't stand up for women of color.
First wave feminism is intrinsically linked to racism because they did not want black men or women to get the vote when they got it.
The feminist is just a stupid AF girl pretending to be smart.
So fire back at that.
Seneca Falls Convention.
I'm sorry they feel that way.
I don't know what else to say.
I'm not a person who tries to dunk on people.
I just want to have actual conversation.
Fair enough.
I don't know.
Respect.
Okay, Dr. Navlis, thank you.
Thank you for the super chat, man.
From the general discussion, it's obvious that the destinies are oblivious to healthy boundaries.
I.e., you mentioned that you run into toxic people when in reality, or I'm sorry, when in actuality you attract them.
Do you really think that one of you won't become one of these toxic people?
Ooh.
I don't know.
Maybe it might happen.
We'll see.
Maybe I am already a little toxic, you know?
Chase, do you want to read this one?
Yes, watch it.
The Ginger Menace says, Chase, I'm an RN.
There's something called trismy, genes that make a mistake and that person gets three chromosomes instead of two.
You can have Down syndrome on gene 21, but it can happen on your sex chromosome, i.e., XXY.
It makes a male more feministic, i.e., Jamie Lee Curtis.
Shots fired at Jamie Lee Curtis.
Appreciate that.
How often does that happen?
Trisomy is pretty rare, I'm pretty sure.
What are we talking about?
Like 1% of the population as well, or around there, I think.
If intersex is one of the things that I think is less than 100%, it's gotta be like less than 016.
Yeah, the problem is intersex can be like anywhere from like 0.02% to like 2%, depending on how broad intersex is.
But intersex is like a very ill-defined thing, right?
Okay.
Okay, we have Minnesota Liz here with the 200.
Thank you, Minnesota Liz.
Thanks, Minnesota Liz.
Thanks, Minnesota Liz.
Minnesota Liz with the 100.
You are giving her what she wants.
She isn't answering on purpose.
Yeah, this is from what she wants.
Feminists demonize natural masculinity in men and praise it in women.
Feminists demonize natural femininity in women and praise it in men.
Key word demonized there because a lot of people don't know that the feminist movement has origins in occult Satanism and Luciferianism.
So it is quite demonic energy.
Confirm or deny Satanist.
Have you guys thought I've BL's about bullshit?
Have you guys thought I've demonized men or women today?
Yes.
Yes.
Men for sure.
So I feel like that's actually.
I don't feel demonized by.
I think she's making a general statement about feminism as a whole.
We have Waffle Sensei here.
Thank you for the super chat.
Appreciate it.
Destiny, you want to read this one?
Hi, Destiny.
If Tate is bad for presenting masculinity as owning cam girl sites, is it bad for women to present femininity as doing OnlyFans and cam girl content?
What do you think?
I think the issue is I could be wrong, but I don't know of OnlyFans girls saying that OnlyFans is destroying the world.
But the Tates seem to believe that OnlyFans is destroying the world, that like men simping for women are.
So when you engage in that industry, it seems a little hypocritical.
I'm not saying that running a cam business is wrong, except when you do it by sex trafficking.
What I'm saying is that it's probably wrong to do that and then to come up later and be like, these are the worst things happening to society when you've been like one of the biggest players contributing to it.
Yeah, it's hypocritical.
To get back to the question, is it bad for women to present femininity as doing OnlyFans and cam girl content to reframe that a bit?
A lot of girls that do OnlyFans, they talk about how liberated they are and how they feel so empowered by it in kind of like a feminist mindset.
When we get into like sex work, that's a really complicated question to borrow the nuanced answer.
In some ways, it can be empowering and in other ways, I think it's kind of scary to sell that as empowerment.
In a way, it's almost like asking, should poor people be allowed to sell kidneys for a million dollars?
Because in one way, like it's an escape from poverty and it's really empowering.
In other ways, it's like, is that like the message you want to send that your path to success is through selling parts of your body?
There's really good arguments on both sides of that.
I would say that like I think, and every woman will agree, I'm sorry, that works in the industry.
OnlyFans is a huge improvement over what was before.
And I will say that the way that men making money off of it.
I will say that there's a very interesting phenomenon that I've observed that at every stage of a sexual transaction, as long as the man is in control of it, nobody gives a fuck.
But as soon as the woman is in control of it, people start to have really huge problems with it.
I don't think that's the issue.
I can totally give you great examples of this, right?
We can watch pornographic movies.
I know on Twitch there are games that have like porn scenes in them.
And when people see this, everything's cool.
You can play The Witcher 3 and everybody's like, oh yeah, fucking boob scene.
But if a woman goes on Twitch and cosplays as one of those, like, fuck this booby girl.
It seems to be that there's a huge case that when women are in charge of the paychecks, we start to have a really big problem with.
I see the point that you're, hold on.
I see the point that you're making.
My disagreement would be, you know, the issue is that now that the paychecks have been put in the hands of the women and pornography.
Am I allowed to say that?
Pornography?
Pornography has been decentralized, right?
Now it's like it's been democratized and anybody can get into it, right?
You're saying before the paychecks were in the hands of the men and nobody had a pornography.
And no, but we didn't really care.
Like, where was all the ragging problems?
No, like, 10 years ago, you know?
Yeah, the problem that I have with it isn't necessarily that the paychecks are in the hands of the women.
It's that when the COVID pandemic happened, like, tons of women all across the country started doing OnlyFans because they wanted to provide for themselves.
And like now, it's like now that the floodgates have been opened, so many women who never would have been doing porn in the first place are now doing it because it's easy and accessible.
That's the problem I have with it.
I feel like it's not that many.
Dude, it's a ton.
I'm just, I hate to do this.
I didn't know anything.
What do you think is like the percentage of like Destiny?
Yeah, I didn't know any girls that were into pornography before the co-pandemic happened, and now I've met like 12.
Sure, but what do you think is like the percentage of women that do it?
I get to guess.
I don't know.
Do what?
That do like OnlyFans.
2%.
Very small.
The percentage increase is more interesting, I think.
Very small percentage.
Yeah, there's a very, very, very small minority of people.
Like, I'm sure that more got into it, for sure.
But more men also pursued YouTube channels and pranks and shit like that.
Now, you can argue, I guess you might think that OnlyFans is worse than trying to be a YouTuber or whatever.
Yeah, but you know what really sucks is the fact that people are going into it before even ever trying to have a career.
Women are going into it at the age of 18.
The moment they turn 18, the moment the clock strikes 12, they're already on that OnlyFans shit.
And the fact that that's such a thing that all these women, all these young women, are just selling themselves short rather than going to school, doing all that, resorting to selling their sexuality is just disgusting.
It's terrible.
I agree 100% with what you're saying, but you also just described conservative relationships.
And when a girl turns 18, her goal is to sell her sexual virginity to a man and then forego all career building in order to she's not selling anything.
That's what?
It's a beautiful thing.
It is exactly what I'm saying.
That's a little extreme.
That's like everything that she just said applies to a woman that says, I'm not going to go to school, I'm not going to go.
Wait, no, no, no, you're a wagon to a woman.
Wait, wait, hold on.
There's a large percentage of women that are like, yeah, I just don't want to be a hoe.
And then you're comparing them to a woman wanting to do OnlyFans.
This is like, hoe max.
Yeah, there's no, there's no way that you can't do that.
Obviously, there's a comparison between a woman who wants to have a relationship with a man or get married to him and have kids with him to a woman that's doing OnlyFans.
What I'm saying is that it's a totally different thing.
Obviously, they're different.
That's why it's a comparison.
I'm not comparing two of the same things.
But they're not selling themselves for a guy.
What I'm saying is that she was saying that it's sad that women get into OnlyFans because they don't even try entering the educational field or entering the job market and then they fuck up their life.
many women that start dating conservative guys and then get pregnant at 1920 are now in arguably a worse position because of the same type of problem.
Okay, well, people who hold traditional conservative values would know that you're not supposed to get, like, that's like you're supposed to marry someone.
I understand what you're saying, and I would value your parents.
I hate to do this, and I don't want to be mean to you, but I'm going to pull the age card a little bit.
At 18 or 19, you're not even old enough to have conservative values because you don't even know what that's just like.
That's not true.
Hold on.
I know a lot of women that have authentically conservative values in that 18 to 22 year old range, and they have it because they were raised in families where their parents are.
And I know a lot of those women that try those relationships, and after five years, they're fucking miserable.
And they're like, I fucking ruined my life getting with this conservative guy.
That sucks, but that's not all of them.
You're painting it as if it's like the rule, but it's an exception.
What I'm saying is you can't have conservative values when you're 18, 20.
What I'm saying is that conservative values imply some outlook of the world and seeing yourself and how you want to be situated in that world.
And at 18 or 19, you don't really know.
You have no idea.
So you think they don't really know, but a lot of these women do.
They don't.
They don't have to listen to me.
But if we were to weigh it out one versus another, like a woman, you know, abiding by conservative rules, conservative values, getting married, having kids, like the negative outcome is completely way heavier on the girl saying like, yeah, I'm 18, I want to post like naked photos of myself and getting fucked by dudes and all this stuff.
Wait, I want to ask this really clearly because that's a phenomenal statement.
If you're 18 or 19, you think it's a bigger mistake to start and close an OnlyFans account than to start a relationship with a guy and have a kid at 18 or 19.
If I were to be a betting man across those two outcomes, yeah, I would bet on the girls.
I would argue against that with huge options.
So I know that's crazy.
Because I understand.
Don't bail them out.
No, it's fine.
It's fine.
It's fine.
It's the situation you're presenting.
Because you're saying that, like, you know, because the greatest indicator of poverty is unplagged primacy and early pregnancy.
I get that.
I get that.
But I mean, just in like a common sense way, like to sit there, like you really have to jump through a bunch of like hoops mentally to be like, okay, like I guess I can rationalize this girl posting full-blown nudity on her OnlyFans for the world to see.
But like the majority of human history has like had women who have been like, I'm just going to abide by these conservative values, maybe have a kid.
Hey, you know what, maybe it fucks up, whatever.
But like this new phenomenon, like, yeah, let me just be a whore on OnlyFans.
Like to say that that has less of a like negative men's gemini.
Just a negative impact in society in general versus a woman who's like, yeah, I just want to be like a decent woman and get married and have kids and like not be a naked whore online.
Yeah, but the problem is that if you make a mistake by doing OnlyFans, you're only hurting your life.
If you make the mistake by having a child early on, now you're ruining your kids' life too.
And you're arguably way more damaging to society because where do all the criminals come from?
Where do all the broken brains come from?
Single mothers to single mothers.
But you're assuming a divorce happens.
But I'm saying if you took every, let's say we could flip a switch in society and we could either say every single single mother in society started and stopped in OnlyFans or every single OnlyFans girl tried to shack up and get pregnant at 18 or 19.
What do you think would have made for the better society?
The ones shacking it up for sure.
Okay, that's final.
Okay, so hold on.
Let's take a step back.
The ones who are like, I want to wait, wait, hold on, just hold on.
The.
The point of like, you know, I want to get married and do my best to keep a family together and abide by Christian rules.
And like my father, my husband is a provider, and I want to be like a Providence 31 woman, and I want to do my best to maintain a healthy family.
I mean, if you do it all perfectly, it works, of course.
No, no, no.
And we're not saying perfection, but I'm saying like, you're really telling me that a woman who's like, yeah, you know what?
I'm going to take a risk, get married.
Because that's been happening across the globe, across cultures.
Yeah, but for the longest time, education is important to me.
Back in the day, before you make that point, yeah, give it to us.
Preach, brother.
You're presenting.
Thank you.
You're presenting this dichotomy where it's like, okay, you can either do OnlyFans or as an 18, 19-year-old woman, you can have kids with some conservative guy that's going to take advantage of you, and then he's going to sell it.
Good night, brother.
Hold on.
Yeah, make him pay attention.
Sorry, he's taking away.
He's stealing your thunder.
Okay, start over for the TikTok clip.
Go.
Chase is the alpha.
I don't care about the TikTok clip.
You're presenting this dichotomy where it's like, okay, chicks can either do OnlyFans or they can get pregnant and then they'll get dumped and the relationship will fail.
The reality is that is going to be a minority of the population.
A lot of the women that are 18, 19, and they want to have kids and they want to have a family, like they can do so successfully.
It's not like it's just going to fail every time.
The majority of kids today are born out of wedlock.
They're not going into a...
Are the rates of divorce for parents who get married young like extremely high?
Again, virgins who get married together, their rates of divorce are less than 2%.
Yeah, okay.
Wait, at young ages?
I don't believe that.
But also, Chase is a very good idea.
It's regardless of age, you're presenting it as if it's a hopeless scenario for women that want to have kids with a guy young, but it's not.
The scenario that you're describing, while it is a problem, you and I agree on the fatherless home thing.
It's a huge issue in society.
Terrible.
You've seen statistics.
It increases the likelihood that people are going to end up addicted to drugs, commit suicide, go to jail, whatever podcast.
No, beyond the whatever podcast.
Fatherless homes, they're a big problem.
But you've been kind of presenting a false dichotomy where it's like, of course.
Of course it's false.
I'm not saying it's the only two.
I was just curious about that.
Yeah, well, in addition, I do think that you did generalize conservative women in general.
And conservative men.
Okay, let me cut it.
I think it's important to.
No, I want to.
Because I want to hold that down.
So you really, and this is not like a gotcha internet mobile.
Get me all you want.
I know.
I'm here to be gotten.
I'm here to dominate you.
You're destroying your empire.
No, no, no.
But honestly speaking, you really in your heart of hearts believe like a woman who's like, hey, you know what?
I'm going to apply these conservative values and give it a good go, like learn to bake, you know, pack my children's lunch and like do my best.
You think a woman who decides like starting OnlyFans is like, is a way better choice?
What I'm saying is that with the way society is structured right now, for you to decide becoming, that you want to be a full-time stay-at-home mom, wife, parent at 18 or 19 is a more radical decision than trying an OnlyFans potential.
Yeah, I just wanted to say, like, as a conservative woman, I don't believe in that at all.
Like, I'm studying law.
I'm terrible.
Which is my own thing.
I'm doing my own thing, right?
And it isn't right to generalize.
All conservative women say, oh, all they want to do is get married.
If I had a husband, yes, I would support him every single way conceivable.
I would want to be there for him.
I would want to help him with his career.
I'd want to make him happy.
But at the same time, I think making myself happy would also make him happy.
That's good.
Stephen, you described marriage, like traditional marriage of two young people as, or compared it to, a woman selling her sexuality.
Exactly.
Which is, it just shows that you're so desperate to cast marriage in a negative light.
Okay.
Traditional marriage specifically in a negative light by basically calling it a form of prostitution or slavery or subjugation of women.
And it's just, it's simply not true.
Okay.
If you're done with the virtue signaling, so the comparison was doing virtue signaling.
Of course it was.
Do you dare talk about marriage like that?
What she said was doing OnlyFans at an early age and opting for that before even trying to get educated or work is a sad thing.
And I said, I would say the exact same thing for a woman that at 18 or 19 says, I'm just going to find a man to get married.
Why are you discrediting that those women have full agency to make a decision?
Why are you discrediting that women that do OnlyFans at 18 or 19 have a full agency to do it?
They absolutely do.
I have been saying that this whole time, that they should be held fully accountable for that decision if they make it.
Yeah, but we're not talking about whether or not they should be held accountable.
We're talking about whether or not it's an acceptable knowledge that they have full agency.
Oh, well, then we have no disagreements.
I don't know why you're so upset about what I'm saying.
I don't know if the reason that they should be held accountable for it.
Sure.
Okay, but I don't know what our disagreement is then.
You're comparing the two as you're saying they can be described as the same thing.
I literally talk about signing up for a really hard contract that's going to last for a very long time.
Well, same with OnlyFans.
That's going to be forever.
Yeah, I know.
Same with OnlyFans.
That's my whole point.
That was the point.
People who get married when they're like 18 and 19 aren't doing it because they're trad.
It's because they're like white trash or stupid.
No, that's not always true.
Anyway, that's not the case.
I think that's definitely true.
If you look at like, you know, the pool of people who say got married at age 18 or 19, they're not doing that.
But there's also high school sweethearts that get married early on.
My mom is not like.
In order to make the accurate comparison, I think you would have to look at young kids who are doing it because they want to make that vow and because they're like trying to be trad or something instead of like the whole pool of people who got married at that age, which I'm sure a lot of them are regretting it because they're making a mistake.
But I think if you have people who are more biblically minded, more traditional, it's going to be more successful on average than the person who takes the route of the OnlyFans.
And I think it's also important with the value you're contributing to society.
Maybe you made the wrong mistake with your spouse, but you still have a family, have a child, maybe you're miserable, but at least you do have that thing.
This is an extraordinary thing.
Horrible, you're describing prison.
No, not at all.
Absolutely.
Because when you talk about what's miserable in a marriage, people are far too far.
You can't even support yourself, but no one will love you ever again because it's not only going to be stuck in a shitty relationship forever.
It's not forever.
If you look at like couples who have been like shitty relationships, if you have a single mom, of course no one is going to be want to have her at an end of the day.
You are describing.
Hey, guys, you are guys, One at a time, please.
One at a time.
You're describing marriage as a death sentence where it's like, oh, you're stuck in this miserable marriage.
If you look at couples who have been in abusive scenarios, like alcoholism, gambling, debt, cheating, like even abuse in some cases, 80% of those couples report being happier with each other five years later.
It's a matter of, I think, being able to stick to it instead of just immediately being like, I'm unfulfilled.
I want to go to the bathroom.
I'm the ones that you get a gap.
But I'm just saying that.
It's easier to walk away from doing OnlyFans at 18 or 19 than it is to have an accidental child with a guy that you end up not doing.
Why are you so critical of conservative arrangements?
But the moment somebody brings up your arrangement, you go off on a tangent for about 40 minutes.
I don't recommend my arrangement to other people.
No, really.
Hold on, wait, number two.
All I'm saying is that with the way the world exists today, there are massive benefits conferred upon you with a college education, right?
We need more education today to succeed in the world than we ever have.
So making huge life-altering decisions at 18 or 19 is really scary.
And to say that like— Hold on.
Going to college at 18 or 19 or even younger sometimes is a huge decision with permanent consequences because you're saddling yourself with potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt.
Yes, but the aggregate is a $1 million difference earnings potential between you and a high school graduate.
It's one of the very few paths in society that is like almost guaranteed success.
Now, I do agree that it might not be for everybody, in which case I say going to college.
Yes.
Absolutely.
What does aggregate mean?
Aggregate means that if you calculate all of the earnings of people that graduate from high school and you compare to all the young people that graduate with a four-year degree in college, the aggregate earning is a million dollars over the lifetime.
Even for shitty gender studies degrees and your liberal arts degrees, even those people outearn high school graduates.
Well, thank goodness earlier in the conversation we agreed on the value of going into the world.
But I'm just saying that, like, as complicated as life is today, we don't, like, we're not done learning history at 14 and then running our father's farm and stuff at 15, 16 and then having films at 18, 19.
Fair play.
We kind of need to jump into the world and figure out what's going on.
And to make decisions about having families and all of that, generally like 18 or 19, you're probably not going to be able to do it.
In your early mid-20s, I think you're more equipped to make that.
Can we all at the table just unanimously agree?
Probably starting OnlyFans at 18 and 19, not a good idea.
Can we agree with that?
As long as we can agree that starting a family at 18, 19, also a bad idea.
That's true.
Sure, sure.
It works out for people.
It works out for OnlyFans.
But more people are structured in a way where that's no longer facilitated for young people who want it.
More than 10 years ago.
Because women have the opportunity to pick good relationships and not just be married off to some guy and have no chance to work or get educated.
Many marriage doesn't work today.
More people are happier back.
More people fail at having a successful OnlyFans career than they do at starting a family, though.
That's true.
That might be true.
That might be true.
But the penalty for failing OnlyFans is maybe if you fail.
First of all, if you fail OnlyFans, chances are nobody's ever even going to find your fucking nudes, okay?
Because there's a million girls at OnlyFans and nobody.
That's not their own name either.
Number one.
Number one.
But also, even if they did, the penalty for failing in OnlyFans is a lot less than the penalty for failing a marriage.
True, but when you do fail in OnlyFans, it's a gigantic F.
Yeah, and when you do fail in marriage, your kid is fucking Ted Bundy or some shit.
You're like, another pretty girl or fucking Hitler.
Someone's marriage fails.
They were trying to do something good and build something in society that matters.
If you fail at doing OnlyFans, you failed at doing something stupid and evil.
Yeah, you're trying to build a marriage.
And disgusting.
But if you try to build a marriage for society, you suck at relationships and you shouldn't even be trying to have kids.
Because what a horrible way to contribute children to the world by saying, I'm making a better world.
You should do it because you love the person, because you want to have a child, and because you have love for that child.
Do you agree to build a child?
Here's why.
Oh, yeah.
I agree.
I agree that you should have children because you love the person and because you want to bring children into the world with that person.
However, from the biblical perspective, which I'm not a religious man, I know you're not, but the counterpoint that I want to make is Psalm chapter 127, verse 4 says that the children of a man's youth, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, all the way into his 30s, the children of a man's youth are like arrows in the hands of a warrior, okay?
From our perspective.
The Psalms are problems.
Psalms chapter 127, verse 4.
From my perspective, and I assume theirs as well, we are in a spiritual war and it is a war.
Yes, Jesus is correct.
Jesus is correct.
He is the king that leads people.
He is the king that leads people to either.
Wait, I'm curious.
If there was an Islamic person that was talking to you, trying to convince you about Islamic beliefs, would you like be open to that?
Or would you feel like I have conversations with Muslims all the time?
Some of the best people I know are Muslims.
Also, hold on.
I'm sorry.
Hold on.
Just in the point of the question.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
She's pointing me.
Look at who enemies.
Hold on, anyway.
She makes anybody hold on.
Brian, intervene.
Who has the right to go here?
The point is that there is a good motivation for having children in terms of the societal center.
So you can send more virtuous and godly people.
I got you out into society.
You made the joke.
Look who our enemies are.
You realize we are destroying you in every single facet of the culture war and at world domination, right?
The conservatives have no place in media.
Conservatives have no place in the art.
Conservatives have no place in most major governments around the world.
America has the most.
I'm talking about you.
What?
I was just talking about you.
Okay, that's fine.
The movement that I represent is absolutely fucking annihilating your movement.
It's not even close.
Which is more kids.
Crying about trans people going to business.
Why we need to have our kids and send them out into the culture like arrows in the hands of the city.
I'm just saying that instead of making fun of the blue hair, you should revere it and respect it and fear it.
Okay, I am the man kicking you into the well saying this is Sparta.
Not when I have 10 kids.
Sparta is ran by kids dropping grenades on Russian soldiers.
How many kids are wearing?
I'm going to outbreed.
We're going to have 100 fucking.
No, you're not.
We're going to cope with you.
I'm going to get 20 women.
I'm going to have 200 fucking children.
We're going to spread out 201, okay?
We're going to spread our genes all over the world, okay?
It's our army.
Brian, do you want to take that control of the show?
We are.
Yeah, it's coming.
It's coming, but I watch it.
But I watch it.
It's coming.
Is the father figure of whatever podcast coming back?
He's coming.
He's coming.
Did Brian go to get milk and cigarettes?
Yes.
How we do it, how we do it.
Come back.
Come back, Brian.
Generates like you belong on a cross.
We need you.
Ladies and gentlemen, I'll just say this.
So, Destiny, you guys, they're leading the charge, but it's not a joke charge.
What?
I would say, you guys.
You look at the state of the world and you're like bragging about yourself.
You guys are leading the charge.
But your markers of like the world is bad.
Is it like 22% of people here bisexually?
Liberal.
Yes, literally, yes.
I know.
You're going to hell.
No, There was something I wanted to say earlier that you guys are like talking about like, oh, it's bad that there's this people having children, et cetera, et cetera.
But part of me is not completely bought into that argument because I'm thinking about how sometimes it's better to have less children and develop them more virtuously than have multiple children or a lot of children and then have them live in poverty or not be able to develop that.
So I don't think a lower birth rate is necessarily bad.
One mic at a time, one mic at a time.
You're saying the lower birth rate isn't necessarily bad, but you're conflating the two.
It's not necessarily bad to have less children if it means that you're going to care for them better.
But I would say that it's good if you can have more children and you can provide for them and raise them effectively.
I would say that that's a good thing.
I would not say that it's not a bad thing if you're below replacement levels.
I would say that's a pretty bad thing.
Yeah, I think the reason why I wanted to bring this up is because it seemed like earlier we were talking about like developing nations, like they're having like less oh, sorry, developed the nations.
They're having less children.
Sorry, I'm getting distracted.
They're having less children.
Like that's cultural decline.
It doesn't really seem that's necessarily the case, especially if it's just people focusing on putting the resources that they now have more onto those two children.
Yeah, and when I see people like you, I agree.
The birth rate should be lower.
But how could you betray us like this?
What?
What do you mean?
No, I'm saying, I'm saying that.
I'm just saying people like her should be reproducing less.
Yes, they need to have a lot of people.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Sorry, sorry.
Many children, and then they won't be able to father the children.
Do you want it then?
Yes.
We will radicalize.
We will be the surrogate fathers.
Yes.
Oh, you're putting it on.
Okay, okay, no, no, no.
Okay, my dad.
Jesus Christ.
Thank you, Steve.
We have a couple super chats.
Let's get through the super chats.
Let's get into these super chats.
Okay.
I've got to listen to the people.
Allegedly, I don't know if this is actually Sneeko.
Sneeko.
If she's down to see other men, tell her he'll at me.
Not Sneeko.
What did you have to say to Sneeko?
What?
Oh, isn't it?
I mean, I called him a cuck two weeks ago.
I still believe that, too.
Full-blown apology now, because he's not a cuck.
You can dick ride him all you want, but I think he's a cuckoo.
Listen here, girl with autism.
He doesn't fucking have.
He's not a cuck.
I'm actually friends with him.
He's not a cuck at all.
And so are you, and so are you.
He's not actively cucking.
Is he?
No, he's not.
Thank you so much.
Let's stop speculating on the podcast.
I'm a cuck, though.
Cuck or not.
Are you talking this?
No, stop.
Snico, please.
Go, read the donuts.
Get control of your podcast.
Control your own destiny.
All right, everybody.
Rippy donated $100 and he said the idea that OnlyFans is a step up from before Destiny is crazy.
Yes, there were awful scenarios in the past with pimps and stuff, but now it's basically to the point that anyone could do it.
It's the Uber of the.
Can you pull that back up, Brian?
Sorry, he's having an extra stream conversation right now.
He said, it's the Uber of the segs work world.
Just my opinion.
What do you think about that?
If women are going to do porn, I think it's better that they're in control of the income than not.
There are women in the world.
If OnlyFans didn't exist, they wouldn't even have the opportunity to do it.
There's tons of fucking amateur videos and shit.
There's a ton of ways.
Yeah, they're not getting paid for it.
And it's not like there's no incentive to get it.
They're just getting to get really shittily for it.
But there's no incentive.
That's a good point.
Well, but like, even like 14, 15 years ago, there were sites that would give you like $1,000 if you'd submit an amateur porn video to the site and shit.
But what's the point of perpetuating hedonism?
Like, what's the point of that?
I love hedonism.
I know.
I'm a hedonist.
Yes, I'm just going to make shows.
Repentant, accept Jesus Christ.
I'm glad.
I don't know if there's a cobbler or not, but I'm going to.
You can be smug all you want about it.
Brian, you want to keep rolling through these super chats?
Keep the show going.
Yeah.
Brian's a big update.
I'm going to have a lot of issues right now, okay?
Are you good?
Brian's a man of God.
This unpure conversation is flustering him.
Dramor said, what a scam.
Spent 100.
We should pull up.
Chase could probably scroll through the super chats.
Are we going to take ours?
I got it.
I got it.
We did rippies, right?
Brock.
Brock said, her mouth is smoother than oil.
Her end is bitter as wormwood and sharper than a two-edged sword.
Remove thy way from her, destiny.
Blue hair's girl is the embodiment.
Be strong, my brother.
Do not let her lead you into death.
Okay.
Wait, me?
Yep.
Yep.
Leading him to a death.
Straight to death.
Farha, we have a family.
Straight to death.
Did we do this one?
Yes.
Farha said for $100.
Thank you, Farha.
Chase, the nuclear family was basically an anomaly in American history.
Anomaly?
What a racist.
It's totally false.
And worked briefly.
It's worked for a long time, thousands of years.
Although people can make the distinction that it's more the traditional family as opposed to the nuclear family, like people living in their little house in the suburbs.
It's a good point there.
But anyways, worked briefly because of a totally different economic and cultural landscape.
Besides feminism and LGBTQ, what other factors do you think are destroying the nuclear family in the West?
Hoes like you.
I would also, I would add, I would add a trial.
They're not another man.
They don't talk like that.
I saw her.
They don't say that.
You're worse than you, bro.
You're telling her to chill, right?
I can say what I want.
You got to.
You got to say what you want.
We're not patient, okay?
Temptation.
Be a better man.
I am not.
Don't say things.
I am not.
Elena and MLD, please.
I am me.
Please, to continue.
I want to continue getting the super chats.
MLD, please.
Okay, go ahead.
She's a hoe.
An important point to make.
What other factors do you think are destroying the nuclear family in the West?
Something I would add to that is the destruction of our money supply that began in 1971.
If you look at the statistics from 1971 until now, Bretton Wall, yes, that as well.
All metrics of the health of society have gone down since we began destroying our money and inflationary money printing.
That's a big part of it.
People have to work harder in order to provide for their families.
You have to have dual parent incomes, whereas before in like the 1950s and 60s, you could afford to just get a blue collar for your family.
It's true.
My brother has been broke for the majority of his life.
He just started making money and he was raising three kids.
Damn.
With a single household earning, making $40,000.
Holy shit.
All right, we have destroyed.
We have Mike Davis here.
No, that wasn't a destroyer.
MLD, this one's addressed.
Let's have MLD.
No, let's do it.
Mike Davis says, MLD, you could bark all you want, but you know you don't want this smoke.
What, the smoke from the fucking fry basket at Burger King?
Oh, I'm a whole different animal.
I knock out every veneer.
I knock out every veneer tooth by tooth.
You got so much grease, you won't need Vaseline.
I'll take you and Destiny together and whoop y'all like your moms should.
It's fine.
Whoa.
Listen, you know what?
My response to that is I'd like a junior whopper with cheese and bacon and an orange soda.
Make sure you bring that up here to the whatever podcast.
You want to pull up the next one?
Can I have a crown?
Is that everything?
Jermore said he spent $100.
Jermore, did you get your super chat?
Because I mean, was it a super chat or through Streamlabs?
Just send more money.
Just send more money.
Brian loves money.
I don't know what you expected from this.
When are we getting fucking Mike Davis on this podcast?
That's a good question.
I've been trying.
I do want to know, Destiny, what is your body count?
200 plus.
I'm not going to.
Why?
It's an interesting question.
I mean, you can just say that you don't want to say.
Yeah, I don't think I want to share it yet.
Yeah.
That's fair.
Come on.
As far as the guy.
Come on, Destiny.
Show the red pill, guys.
What's up?
Flexible.
The problem is that, like, if I say a number that's too low, I get judged.
If I say it was too high, people won't even believe me.
So I don't even know what the point is.
Just go with the knot.
I'm overcomplicating the question.
Approximately what?
I'm not reading it if you're sexual.
But like low, Chase, Matthew 18, 6.
We're not reading these.
We're not reading these.
Just Eric shows.
Eric's been holding on to the based Bible scripture right there.
Thank you, Sierra Stanton.
I appreciate that.
As far as the guy who claims we didn't read the $100 Super Chat, we have auto super chat functions set on, so we have not seen your J-Dock one.
That's an interesting.
He says, J-Doc says, greed is the source of all problems, not poverty.
The framing that being a poor is the problem is asinine.
It is an elitist argument.
Should I just turn TTS on to 50 for the end of the stream?
Nah.
Nah, fuck these guys.
Fuck these people.
I got so many people talking here already.
I think I saw a donation that was $100, $100 Canadian dollars in there, but it was purple.
So then it's not.
You think because the exchange rate would have been like $80?
The exchange rate.
Hold up.
Canadian money is not real.
I see what it is.
Canada's not real.
If we're going to say inflated American money isn't real, we can't accept CID here.
Yeah, for real.
But we should find that.
That's usually only the case for StreamYard, though.
It won't trigger on StreamYard if it's below the conversion or whatever.
But on Super Chats, I'm pretty sure if it's red, it well, because of the exchange rate, I think $100 Canadian is like 70 or 80 or something American.
It was purple, so it wasn't 100.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You want to pull it up anyways?
I'm curious what he had to say.
It's lost.
Fuck the Canada.
It's so over for Jamor.
Sorry, Jamor.
No, it's so Joe.
I can see if I can like find for Jamor.
Oh, no.
It is over.
I can look, but I don't know if I'm going to have to.
You got to do Stevenson twice.
Jamor said, in all caps, sucks to be Canadian.
M-L-D, I told you that when I called in.
Pull that one up from Dave On, please.
Jamor, my heart goes out to you, Canadians.
Dave has a big deal, bro.
Canada's a big deal.
Dave On Jackson with $100 says, what is the purpose of sexual experiences?
Is somebody you can't even remember?
It's me.
I'm sorry.
Sorry, guys.
This is what happens when I don't drink.
My fucking downstairs neighbor is going to have a fucking aneurysm.
All right, go ahead.
He says, what is the purpose of sexual experiences with people you can't even remember?
Because sometimes you have a really good sexual experience.
You do remember.
There's a lot of really great meals I've eaten.
I don't remember every single great meal I've had, though.
Some have been really good that I do remember, though.
But what does that do to your conscience?
What does that do to you?
Makes me feel really good.
Okay.
Good memories as well.
I can think back on them.
Feels great.
Sometimes in those really dark times when the internet's out and I need to masturbate, I can revisit my memories instead of having a lot of fun.
You're both so like dead in the eyes.
You are the most dead in the eyes person I've ever seen.
You literally look like the girl from the ring.
Okay.
What are you talking about?
Thank you for smiling.
And your wife looks like female Jared Leto.
Huh?
Whoa, yeah, you're right.
You do kind of look like Jared was like, no, Paul Allen.
Poor Mary is getting boxed out just like you were, Chase.
I look like I've heard that.
I guess it's a compliment.
That's good.
That means I'm fucking obvious, right?
Yeah.
Hell yes.
Thank you.
Where are we at?
Sorry.
Any more daughters want to make fun of me or anything?
Oh, is this pulled up?
Can we hide that?
Hide that?
Or you can go just start showing those.
I had a question for you.
Hey, MLD, can we make a little bit more space for Mary so she can sit more at the table?
I feel like we lost her.
Lost a person from the podcast, but Mary has like the exact same amount of space we started with.
Is that better?
And that mic, if we can put it on the ground or something.
You got to throw an aggressive MLD.
I actually have a question for you later.
What's up?
Later.
Yeah, because you want to see something here.
He won't do a threesome with you guys.
No, I'm not saying that.
I'm actually sorry.
I'm sorry.
I know that.
Hey, watch it.
Oh, wow.
I see the way you're rubbing your leg against me.
Actual question, though.
Actual question.
No, wait, we just entered like two questions for this.
Hold on, hold on.
If Chase was actually down, would you guys.
I'm not going to answer an explosive sexual question.
Look at her face.
We couldn't say, right?
Yeah, we can't say.
We can't.
Because what if it's no, what if it's yes, we don't want to say anything.
John, did you have something?
Or who was going to ask?
I have a question.
John, if you're not going to be able to do that, I have a question.
I'm actually, not to debate or I'm actually really curious.
What is it like to go from having sex with people and then stopping and disciplining yourself and to not keep doing it?
What does the dates look like after that?
When you make the decision?
I'm really curious.
What is your mental experience of that?
I'm very curious.
You were in a relationship.
How did it affect your relationship?
I mean, I'll go there.
I realized halfway through the relationship, I knew for a fact that I wasn't going to marry this girl.
And by continuing to have sex with her, I knew that I was damaging her long term.
And I knew that in all likelihood, we would leave the relationship and she probably would remember me for the rest of her life.
And that might come up for her mentally and emotionally in her marriage, right?
And like, I know that for myself, the last thing I would want in marriage is if like I married a girl, but some guy that she had had sex with, she was still hung up on him, like emotionally and mentally.
That would tear me up inside.
And I knew that there was a possibility that that might happen.
So I decided to stop having sex with her.
And this was in 2019.
In 2020, I realized the way that the world was going, I really wanted God's favor over my life.
And for me, honestly, like having the confidence that God has my back is worth it so much more to me than like fornicating with women that I'm not going to marry.
Like I really, really want an exceptional wife, and I want God's blessing in that way.
So it's like, okay, like temporary sex with a girl I'm not going to marry, God's favor in my life.
Obviously, I want God's favor in my life more.
So you would have sex, like if you marry someone, you're going to have sex with them.
I'm assuming.
We're just going to have to have a sex life.
Hopefully, what kind of concept is I'm curious?
Yeah, I'm curious if you're not going to be able to do that.
No, we're not going to have premarital.
You think he's going to get married and not have sex with them?
That's what it was.
Yeah, I wasn't really sure.
Wait, wait, wait.
Maybe this is like hardcore into something here.
No, we're not going to have premarital sex.
We'll have plenty of sex with that.
But are you going to marry someone and not have sex with them?
Yeah, I don't know.
Some people do that.
Depending on what your access is going.
I don't think they plan on doing that.
To be honest.
I wasn't sure.
As straight as that is, that's pretty gay.
It is pretty gay.
To be honest, I'm actually like, I'm really excited at the idea of not having premarital sex because it's such an excellent filter for whether or not you're right for somebody.
Like, the way I look at it, if a girl and I, you know, we're dating or I court her or whatever, and we're not having sex with each other.
And after a year or two years or whatever it is, I still want to get married to her.
It's like, you know, like that's, that's the one for you.
You know what I mean?
And that's like the best filtering mechanism possible for finding a good spouse.
I don't want to argue against you, but like, I feel like I could flip that exactly on 180.
If there's a girl you've been dating, if there's a girl you've been dating for two years and you haven't fucked her yet, and what if there's like the risk of the only reason you want to get married so you can finally explore that?
And then after you do, you're like, oh, fuck.
Whereas if you've been fucking a girl, but you're still really love her after two years, I want to be honest.
May I address what he said first?
Go ahead, Dad.
Thank you.
You may.
Thank you.
She gives you permission.
Thank you, Destiny.
Yeah, I mean, like, I just, I know how to read women really well.
And, like, I cannot imagine a scenario where, like, I'm dating a girl for two years and we get married and start having sex and then it just goes to shit in the bedroom.
I cannot imagine that happening.
And I have 100% certainty that it would not happen.
Yeah, I want to add on to that.
So, and this is anecdotal evidence for sure, but the most successful relationship I ever had was when I was like, strike me down.
You're going to hell.
The most successful relationship I've ever had was like when me and the girl, we were like legitimately, it was March 2016 until December.
Yeah, so like nine months, we were just texting back and forth and like nothing sexual, just getting to know each other.
And then when we did finally have sex, you know, it was great, whatever.
But that actually turned out to be my longest, most healthy relationship.
And I would go ahead and add on to that thinking that like I got to know her for who she was over text.
And then I got to like like her and know her as an individual.
And then from there, the sex was kind of like icing on the cake, which I understand in your world, like, and me too, like, you know, your fucking girl first date, second date, third date.
It is what it is.
But I think like when you kind of jump over the initial courtship to straight sex, like you can get blinded with dopamine and serotonin.
And you're like, oh, the sex is so great, even though she's like a lying, fucking treacherous bitch.
Like the sex, the sex, you know, because, you know, evolutionally speaking, as men, it's like, if we're having sex, our brain's like, you're winning, you're winning, you're winning.
Like, keep going, keep going, keep going.
Yeah.
I want to make it, go ahead, go ahead.
I want to make a constructive point to the overarching conversation.
You guys have expressed a lot of concern for like the fatherless homes out there and the breakdown of marriages and people's marriages falling apart to what MLD was just saying.
Like, I've spoken with a lot of older dudes asking them why they got divorced.
And like, you know, I tell this on previous episodes of the podcast.
At my local gym, there's like six older guys that are all divorced.
And when asking them questions like, hey, how did it get to this point?
Five out of the six of them all said, yeah, we got into our 40s and that initial, that kind of like physical attraction, it kind of wore off and we realized beyond the sex, there wasn't much there in the relationship.
And it's so easy to fall in love with somebody when you're having sex with them and you have that oxytocin rush, all the dopamine, serotonin.
It's so easy to fall in love with somebody.
And I think nowadays, a lot of people get into marriages because they're having sex with the person and they don't realize that that is at the foundation of their relationship.
And later on down the line, once that physical attraction has worn off, they realize that there's not a lot there beyond the initial physical attraction.
And I think that destroys a lot of marriages and families.
And what I've been describing, waiting, you know, to not having premarital sex, I think that's an amazing guard against that.
And I would say that there's probably far more successful marriages than failed marriages because people waited to have sex.
I understand what you're saying.
I don't want to get into a huge angle, but I feel like for the response.
God damn it, this is YouTube.
Get into that argument.
Well, for the response, for the audience, I feel like I have to provide another alternative.
I feel like overwhelmingly, I could be wrong.
I don't know if it's just like Dana, but I feel like overwhelmingly, sex in a relationship, whether you're having it or not, almost has nothing to do with the actual sex itself.
That when sex starts to disappear from relationships, it's because there's other problems that are usually happening.
Like a really good indicator if a relationship is working is that they're fucking, but it's not because they're fucking.
They're fucking because the relationship is working.
But like something could happen where, I'll use corny examples that are trigger Pearl if she's listening, right?
But like let's say like guy's not cleaning up after himself, doesn't do any chores, isn't taking care of the art, dumb shit like that can start to happen.
And then you kind of like stop fucking because the wife is like, fuck this man, child, I don't want to blah, blah, blah.
That eventually that might like snowball into them getting divorced.
And the husband might think back and he goes, you know what?
As soon as we stopped fucking, stuff started going downhill really hardcore.
Right.
And in his mind, he's thinking that's what happened.
But in reality, the sex stopped because other stuff in the relationship stopped working.
And that's a fair point.
And again, there's probably a lot of relationships like that where dudes, you know, they just stop being on top of their shit and then their wife lost respect for them and she didn't want to have sex with him anymore.
And he might look at it and be like, well, we stopped having sex.
That's what made the marriage fall apart.
Again, I guess my rebuttal to that would be like if two people date or court or whatever for a sufficient amount of time and they build the relationship off of that interpersonal connection, divorced from sex, like you're going to have a really solid idea of who that person is without your mind clouded by the sexual relationship.
I agree.
I just, you present sex as such a weird, like, tangential thing.
I think that sex can be part of how you build that relationship.
It can.
But a lot of people get into marriages that they shouldn't get into because they're overlooking red flags and other things.
Yeah, but there's also people that didn't even get to look for red flags.
Let's just add on to one point, though, that the reality is, like, as men, especially as men, sex clouds our judgment.
I mean, I've stayed with a girl that I was like, this bitch is terrible for me, but sex is so fucking fire.
I'm just going to stay with her.
My guess is going to be that's actually the minority of men.
No way.
You think way too highly of men.
No, no, no, no.
Hold on.
Okay, I'm a.
Okay, let's go.
Wait, Destiny, Destiny, read this real quick.
Destiny looks like Brian's long lost plan.
I'm like, oh, you're sexy a little bit.
I should get the red wig back, right?
Dude, that's it.
Looking at the two of you on the screen.
So real, bro.
You know what?
So real.
Yeah.
We may be blue-wise.
We got a good beard and everything.
Similar skin, the genius.
You just need to put on the wig again.
What's that?
You need to put on the wig again.
Maybe, maybe, maybe.
Someone.
Oh, yeah, true.
I want to think by Felicia.
Oh, what the fuck?
Is the audio muted Eric?
Hello?
Nope.
Okay.
She gifted 20 memberships.
Thank you.
And then we have Brock here.
Let me pull that one up.
You can hide that for a sec.
we have a man he's as brock guy in suit is uh wait Brock said the guy in the suit is loath to.
His comments about Mike serving him a Burger King order is as ignorant as he is.
Mike owns multiple franchises.
He is deaf not poor.
Even a fool, when he holds his peace, is counted wise-based.
A fool opens his mouth and removes, what was that last word?
Oh, no.
Removes all doubt.
Brock, thank you for that.
Emil, did you have a response to that?
I guess I'm going to have to go home and cry in my trailer.
All right, we have Dayvon Jackson.
You understand that means you equate sex with food on value to your survival, which says a lot.
Why do people have this issue where when you draw a comparison between two things, you're saying the things are the same?
Right?
Like, I enjoy video games.
You did that.
I enjoy.
No, no, I'm not saying they're the same, though.
Obviously, I'm comparing two different things to draw a parallel.
I'm not saying they're the same thing.
I like food and I like playing video games.
I don't eat video games and I don't play with my food.
They're two different things, but I can compare my enjoyment.
I've equated women selling their bodies on OnlyFans to women selling their bodies to a husband that they're not going to be able to do that.
No, no, no.
I use her line of reasoning of it's sad when a woman does OnlyFans because she forgoes exploring a career, saying that it's also true that it's sad that a woman builds a family at the age of 18 while also foregoing a career.
That was the comparison.
I'm not saying they're the same thing.
I'm just saying that was the comparison.
That if her criteria for why it was sad was these criteria, then that criteria would also match other things as well.
That was the point.
All right, we have Azra.
John says, Chase, I disagree.
Marriages fail all the time.
For me personally, I'm swearing off all relationships.
I seem to function much better independently.
Now, that's a real soldier of God.
Jesus didn't have a wife.
He didn't, but Paul also wrote that if a man burns with lust, it would be better for him to get married.
Yeah, on that topic, I was just going to say there's a reason why lust is one of the seven deadly sins.
There's a reason why there's each individual sin.
When a relationship operates and is founded on lust, it's going to fail.
You know, there's a really big problem with that.
Is that I'm not fucking Christian.
So I don't care.
I think that's clear.
But Ajawn, To what you said there, I just want to encourage you, brother.
Like, I would not swear off all relationships permanently, dude.
Like, if you function better independently right now, man, keep working on yourself, dude.
Like, get your life in order, bro.
And if the day comes when you feel your heart open to a relationship more, man, like, I would say be open to it, but also be prudent in terms of the woman that you pick.
I agree with Poder for that.
That's correct.
Let's go.
Thank you.
Let's go.
That was a post that I made on my stuff right after my last breakout.
That's what he was quoting.
All right, cool.
And then we have a Draymoor came through on Streamlabs.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Thank you, Draymond.
Sierra Stanton.
Can you read this?
Yeah.
Jamore said, hi, everyone.
And my homeboy, MLD.
Feminism causes children to be traumatized en masse.
I have eight years of experience as an ECE.
Excuse me.
Do you really think someone making minimum wage cares about your child reaching their full potential?
I had to quit, could not fix.
Damn.
Wow.
Someone said Chase talks so much, Doyle should talk more.
Yeah, I do want to bring in Billy and John really quick.
What was that thing we need to pull up from Sierra?
She wants to marry Chase.
Chase, do you accept her proposal?
Dude, you should pull up her comment.
It was really funny.
Here, just if you can try to scroll up and find Derek, it wasn't a super chat.
But she doesn't want to marry Brian.
She says you look like her sister's ex.
Rip.
Her sister's ex.
No, she said she still does want to marry Brian, but he's her sister's ex.
Sierra Stanton.
Would marry Brian, but he looks like my sister's ex.
Sorry, Brian Lol.
What do you think about that, Sierra?
She looks like a dark hair, blue eyes.
I like it.
Thank you, Sierra.
Well, hey, listen.
If she looks as if she's a sister, I was about to say, you must be her type.
Is the sister available?
Look it up.
DMs are up for you.
Maybe the other Stanton in the bonus right now.
Yeah, where's the other Stanton?
Was there someone?
Okay.
John, is there anything you want to chime in?
Yeah, John, tell us.
We need some base.
Yeah, you know, the nature of the conversation is like sort of inconducive to me being autistic because I tend to speak in paragraphs and we get like 10 different ideas and I just don't have that kind of memory.
So let's give the floor to John.
What do you think?
Oh, I feel like John.
I would just be like monologuing just extemporaneously.
Give us a monologue.
Chase is fucking monologued all night here.
Give me a feminism.
Feminism.
I mean, you know, I'm not one of these people that's like, you know, feminism is okay.
It's this third wave feminism that's gone too far.
You know, earlier in the discussion, I wanted to make this point where the sort of downstream eccentricities of feminism where this group does it this way, this group does it this way, it all stems from the core idea, which I think anyone who self-identifies as a feminist would agree with, which is that men and women are equal.
Not that they should be treated equally in terms of dignity, but literally they are equal except for some like ultimately inconsequential biological features.
And I mean that like physiologically in the sense that like, you know, maybe men have a little bit more muscle mass, women are maybe a little bit more flexible, things like that.
But feminists would tend to disagree with the idea that men tend to behave a certain way because of their biology and vice versa with women.
And I think that when you trace that truth to the way societies have been structured all throughout the world, whether it's in like the West or even in like patriarchal societies in Africa or Australia or wherever, this idea that men should be in charge tends to hold up.
And this idea that like, you know, there are stereotypes for how women behave and men behave tends to hold up cross-culturally.
So I don't think it can be explained by this sort of like tabula rasa, like we just decided arbitrarily that men should act this way, women should act this way.
I think it's rooted in our biology, and I think that societies were much healthier when we acknowledged that and when we stopped like deluding ourselves with this idea of progress as some sort of like thing to be aspired to.
Based.
Very based.
I got a question for you.
What do you think about dudes like Ajar, whatever his name was, the MGTOW guys, men going their own way, swearing off women?
What would you say to those guys?
I understand it and I sympathize with it.
I'm not going to tell you like, no, dude, you need to get married at 18 because there is something to be said about people getting married young happened because they were more mature at that age.
It wasn't just like something that they just did incidentally.
And our society has been structured now to basically delay maturation, I think.
I think, yeah, college is important, but there is something to be said about this sort of like neverland.
You take your four-year tour of service, you go party, and yeah, you get to get a lot of money.
The delay of maturation, though, is because we necessarily exist in a more complex world, right?
Like navigating the world 500 to 1,000 years ago was a lot simpler, right?
Whereas today, like a child is learning how to navigate an iPad in a technically sophisticated way that's greater than the technical sophistication of like people, you know, throughout arguably all of history.
But even 60 years ago, I mean, the rate at which women were having their first child was at a far younger age than now.
People are getting married much younger.
And I think, here's an example I like to use.
If you had an emergency and you were, say, like teleported to the 1980s, the average person that I would feel comfortable with, like rushing to on the street, is significantly younger than now.
I wouldn't run to anybody under the age of like perceivably 30 to be like, oh my gosh, help me with this.
Because people now just have far less practical skills, far fewer practical skills, far less practical knowledge.
So we are more educated in the sense that we have degrees, but in terms of like actual skills and knowledge, people are far less interesting than they were 50 years ago when they did.
Again, that's because we specialize, right?
Like the men that run our farms today might not be able to go out with an actual pitchfork and do that because they're using incredibly sophisticated technology and there's these like electronic like John Deere tractors that are running their entire farm.
So I mean like I think as society evolves, necessarily we we chop off this lower level of foundational skills.
But the level of specialization and knowledge requirements we have to succeed today are growing increasingly higher, such that in eight years of lower education or whatever, or 12 years, you might not have the skills you need to even compete today in the world right, like in today's world.
What is like one of your biggest like indicators of success it's not how well you can farm, it's not how much muscle mass you have, it's not how tall you are, it's your iq right, your ability to navigate like this increasingly sophisticated world.
And I think that's why that maturation is being delayed is because you have to study so much to keep up with everybody.
I think that's the problem with the college thing is people realize that people who tend to go to university are more successful and I think there was an association made there that like university is what is causing that.
And if you look at the average university graduate nowadays, they are like unexceptional.
I mean these people like vaguely enjoyed a chemistry class in high school and so they're like, well, I have to go to college, I guess i'll go get a four-year degree in biochemistry.
Now they're working maybe in that field or something, but they're successful not because they have the degree.
That was like their foot in the door because it was made illegal to test for Iq when you're hiring because they thought it was racist.
But I don't know if you guys know this.
Like, in terms of job performance, the best predictor of that isn't even experience or education, is your like raw Iq?
And I think that you have actually devalued the college degree because you have democratized it and made it more accessible.
I don't think that it's given people maybe that uh skill set that they would need to, but it absolutely is.
We can just look in the market.
Forget like uh, whatever sjw we want to measure, we just look at what people are paid like.
Getting a graduate, getting a college degree, is on our, is inarguably conferring a massive wage premium to you and it's because, as you said now, like the people that are graduating college are unexceptional.
I agree with that um, but it used to be that, like the people graduating high school, a high school degree alone you said before, like you know, 100 years ago, when we talked about like good union jobs yeah, not to knock people that were working in Detroit.
But these people were not highly educated people.
They were putting machines on cars and you know they they, they knew what they were doing, they were specializing in their skill set.
But those types of jobs, now those are ran by robots and And the people that are making money are the people programming the robots running those factories.
And that's the increasingly higher burden that we have on skill sets today.
Even people like Jordan Peterson talk about how one of the scariest aspects of society is we are creating a society that is increasingly hostile towards like sub-100 IQ people.
I think the thing he fixates on is like below 85 IQ.
There's like no place for you.
At that point, and even when we look at things like NAFTA, the North African Free Trade Agreement that Trump upgraded or some other thing.
But one of the big issues ran into here is how do you retrain people at older ages to fit with an increasingly complex economy?
And I think from all the NBER research I saw about retraining people, I think what they ultimately ended up with was all the money that we spent on retraining probably would have been better to just send them as checks and just have them work anymore because our world is getting so sophisticated that that baseline level of education is almost a necessity to cooperate with other people in this world.
You know what?
I think one thing that the kind of like the leftists kind of forget is that like, you know, you ultimately, you do have to factor in that some people are just fucking retarded.
Like they are.
Like we need people.
Not like, you know, like I'm going to fucking get my shit.
Sorry, sorry, Brian.
Sorry, I'll take the cross on that one.
But the reality is, like, similar to your person, your kind of, you gave an example of like the majority of people trying to get on the lifeboat from the Titanic, right?
And like, not everybody can get on the lifeboat.
You know what I mean?
But I do think that everybody should strive to get on the lifeboat.
Sure.
You know what I mean?
That's why I think like encouraging people to do like trades and stuff is important because we still need electricians and plumbers and carpenters now.
Extremely needed right now.
And I think that's going to be the next big viral fucking trade.
People are like, fuck being a crypto guy.
Fuck trying to be like a drop shipper.
Like go to the trades because the trades are like, I mean, if you talk about like, you know, construction diving, welding underwater, electrician, plumber, you know, these are extremely needed fields in the United States and they're completely understaffed because everybody's too like trying to look cool on fucking Instagram.
That's a big problem.
But like the reality is I tell these guys too, like you need to have a good amount of dignity.
Dignity in the sense that like you have a job.
At least as a man, you can go home and be like, I pay my bills.
I pay my rent.
My mom doesn't help me.
My dad doesn't help me.
I have my own man.
I'm my own man.
I pay my own bills.
I have my own career.
And I'm trending upwards.
I think that's a big thing that a lot of guys need to do.
That's something we're also on the left when it comes to education too.
And I think the left failed a lot here.
You remember the hashtag learn to code movement, right?
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
As you get more and more educated people in society, you have to stop looking at people that do trades as like lower classes.
As uneducated people.
One of my biggest pets.
But who's the one doing that?
It's typically women.
They're like, oh my God, is he a plumber?
I think it's educated people in general.
I think that the more educated you get, the more you have, Marx called it the petite bourgeois, right?
You get this class of people that aren't like the big business owners, but they're like the highly educated, the lawyers, the dentists, the doctors, and all of that.
Highly educated and broke, nine times out of ten.
They're not.
People will say that like, I'm a doctor and I've got like $150,000 in debt.
I'd rather be a doctor with a doctor's skills.
$100,000.
No, no, I'm not talking about the doctors.
I'm talking about these fucking, you know, these like, I'm educated.
I had like a gender studies degree or whatever.
They think they're educated.
Okay, we're getting a little bit off topic here.
Let me just try to make it.
My bad, let's bring it back.
Okay.
Learn to code, losers.
Pull up that TTS.
Yeah.
Oops, hold on.
How much longer have we got on this?
Seven years.
I mean, I've got Zins in, so we're chilling.
Mr. Do you want to read it?
I married my husband.
Mrs. Lindsby donated $100.
Thank you.
She says, I married my husband at the age of 19 in 2009.
The majority of my friends are stay-at-home wives and mothers.
We all got married young to men with similarly low to no body counts.
Destiny is right.
Traditional conservative women don't and won't fit.
I think that's in reference to him mentioning that those types of women don't want.
Okay.
19-year-old conservative women aren't looking for 30-year-old fuckboys.
And we did this one.
We did this one, right?
We did this one.
I do want to bring Billy in here just to give her a little bit of an opportunity here, and then we'll pull up another super chat.
Billy, this is your opportunity if you want to just have a stream of consciousness for some clippable moments.
Just like drop some fucking based Do you have any opinions on this entire conversation?
Tell us how much you hate feminism, body count.
There was one part I wanted to come in on, which was how would we make men great again?
And I have built a platform on praising men, I guess, and trying to recognize men's struggles.
But I also want to make it clear that I do hold men accountable.
I worked at a I don't, I think I talked about this last time, but I worked at a prison for four years, all four years of college.
I worked at a Mac security men's prison, and I think that's what got me into kind of protecting men.
And every single situation I dealt with in the prison, I tutored like four guys a day when I went in there.
Did not have a father.
And I would say it was 50-50.
50% of the cases, the father walked out, and 50% of the cases, the mother would not let the father be in the child's picture.
Yeah, yeah, in the child's life.
So at least in the criminal side of it, men, fathers in the home play like every situation I've seen.
So I wanted to make that clear that me supporting men doesn't mean I'm not holding them accountable.
Are you saying that in order to make men great again, we need to have as many fathers in the home as possible?
Absolutely.
I agree with that.
Every situation I ever saw with fathers not in the home was horrible.
It was basically, I don't want to speak on any specific cases, but when fathers weren't in the home, men went to a lot of gang-related situations and they would do things to fit into the hierarchy.
And doing those things would be, do you have any like just hot based dating takes, dating takes.
Yeah, what was wrong with those takes gangs, prisons you know they go to gangs in prisons because they have no sense of family community at all, because nine times out of ten they're coming from a single mother household, which is like the bane on any existence of any societal.
Single mother households are the cancer of this earth.
If you want to have like a good stable, functioning society, single mother households are the absolute antithesis of what you need to be doing, and feminism has contributed to that, which is for sure, thousand percent.
That was why that's just like to blame for everything, because they were like other than feminism.
What is to blame for the collapse of the family structure?
It's like the slice of the pie chart remaining would be so obscure.
It'd be something like fucking video games.
I think a lot of video games, not even.
No, I I want to.
I just want to Say this very quickly.
I agree that single parent households are single mothers.
Yeah, single mother households is bad.
I completely agree with you guys.
Correct.
However, I think you have to take into consideration that, like, just the PDF.
How this was what you wanted to see.
That's what you have to do.
Guys, guys, guys, guys, let her talk, please, please.
You did it.
Hey, guys, let's let Pixie speak.
You're playing tongue-hog, please stop.
Let's let Pixie speak.
I feel like a lot of times when people use this rhetoric, they sometimes paint this false picture that it's okay for people to stay together if it means not being a single mother household, even if the situation, the relationship is super toxic, abusive, you know, just not healthy.
So I agree, single parents, single mother households are horrible.
Completely agree with that.
But I do think they're better than staying with somebody if he's being abusive to you.
If he's hitting you, you should not raise your child in that environment.
should get your child out of there because that person is being a danger to your family to you and to your child so i agree with that yeah Yeah.
But that is still an anomaly.
I mean, like we mentioned earlier, this is a true statistic.
And 80% of couples can recover from that in five years.
And I think it's fundamentally selfish.
And you can tell because the type of people who say that, they're like, well, I just wasn't happy.
So it's better for the child.
It's absolutely not.
It's not better for the child.
But they think that because they're so prideful, they don't want to address whatever they're doing wrong.
And their partner is probably, because water seeks its own level, probably just as prideful and narcissistic and doesn't want to address what's wrong and fix themselves.
And so they think, well, I'm not happy.
So the child must really not be happy.
It destroys, especially young boys, if they don't have their father in the household, they're not socialized properly.
Like they're literally screwed for the rest of their lives.
Daughters, they don't, it's not as effective to them.
I mean, they like get a little bit more promiscuous with the guys they date.
But in terms of like literally just like derailing someone's trajectory in life, young girls can more or less recover pretty well, but boys are like fucked if their dads are.
Yeah, I just wanted to say, as someone who's studying law, I take a lot of criminology classes, and it is true that men who are raised in single mother households end up becoming criminals because of the lack of the father figure in their life.
Yes, as she was just making that point.
Yeah.
Criminals, homeless, suicide, prosecuting.
What's your favorite thing?
I think it's important to shine.
I just think it's important to shine light on the whole fatherless things and shine.
That's not you, Chase.
Who's making the noise on the ground?
Can somebody stop like somebody's binging?
My fucking is it this?
No, it's not that.
Somebody's like, there's an audible.
I'm not weird.
I can't hear it.
I don't care who it is.
Just stop, please.
Melina, what was it that you wanted to do?
Yeah, I was just curious.
I just wanted to see like an honest answer on this one.
If there's someone that's very, very young, might be really religious and values marriage a lot and goes into a marriage and has kids when they're like 18, 19, 20, and then a year into the relationship, it gets really, really abusive.
From who?
From both.
This is so rare.
Anyone.
Anyone really.
My point is, I'm just, yeah.
Even though it might be rare from what you guys think.
It is.
If it would happen, what would you recommend for those people to do?
Would they divorce or do you want them to keep going in the relationship?
You can't divorce.
I mean, that's not a real thing.
You can like separate.
See, his Catholic background shines through.
He knows.
You can separate, but you can't actually divorce.
That's not a real thing.
Even though it might be like physically abusive.
Dude, you got to endure.
People are too.
You want to stick into a relationship.
People are just pussies.
Everybody fucking quits.
Everybody gives up.
It's too hard.
I'm this XYZ.
This is why I'm special, so I can fuck up this entire situation based upon me being special.
And the reality is people just haven't learned to fucking endure.
There have been hard times in relationship.
I'm sure you guys had hard times in relationship.
Any relationship has hard times.
And it is what it is.
You need to push through and you need to endure because we're in this.
Hold on.
Because we're in this situation now, like, where everybody's just creating this, like, super nuanced, like, 1% example of, like, well, what if the kid's fucking transgender black and abused, and he's a Black Lives Matter supporter?
Like, cool.
Okay.
I get like that one fucking mindset.
I'm asking for anyone that might be in that situation.
What would you recommend?
Okay, endure.
I'll tell you what.
Endure.
I'll tell you what.
Endure.
I'll tell you what I would do.
If my daughter was in a relationship with a guy and she gets married to him and he starts abusing her a year into it, I'm going to be showing up on their doorstep and teaching him some lessons.
That's what I would do.
I also would not, if I didn't have the capacity to do that for some reason, I don't know.
I wouldn't want my daughter in that situation, quite frankly.
And I understand the argument to endure because I have people close to me who grew up in abusive households and it lasted for periods of time and it was a phase and they endured through it and they ended up raising healthy, successful families to an extent.
So you were that person who would say that to stick in those relationships that might be abusive to everyone involved and a child if there's a stick in the relationship and get the shit beat out of me by the way.
Either it's an extremely important thing.
I'm just asking you what you believe.
I'm just telling you, even if it's a small extreme thing, I'm just asking you what you think if you should stick in that relationship or not.
It is such an extreme example that I can't give a prescription for what other people should do.
There is an element of value.
Hold on, hold on.
There is an element of value in what he's saying, but all I can tell you is what I would do.
How do you guys feel about a daughter in a situation like that?
Do you have opinions about third trimester abortion?
It's terrible.
Look at how quickly you could do it.
Do you know how rare third trimester abortions are?
They're also really fucking rare, but you immediately had a visceral reaction to that, right?
There are households where parents are abusive to children.
Like, that's not like an unfathomable thing.
But for you to have that immediate visceral reaction to a type of abortion, that's so incredibly rare.
I mean, we're talking about a guy getting drunk and beating his wife occasionally versus like somebody puncturing a woman's stomach with a needle and injecting euthanasia into the baby's eye socket.
I'm just saying, all I'm saying is that third trimester abortion is incredibly rare.
But you have a visceral immediate reaction to that.
But to hypothesize, could there be possibly a matter of time?
So let me ask you guys, in the Catholic Church, I know that there's like annulments for marriages and stuff.
That was a mistake.
Are there no exceptions for like if a guy is beating his wife constantly?
No, there are, but now.
A woman could as well, right?
Hold on, hold on.
Well, there's also a distinction drawn between a civil divorce, a legal divorce, and an actual divorce of a marriage.
There's a distinction drawn in the Catholic Church where it's excusable to get a divorce in the legal sense.
I mean, look, I'll just, I'll say this.
I know there's like the Christian Catholic position and all that kind of stuff.
If a woman is in a situation where she's getting the shit beat out of her by her husband and like he might kill her, yeah, she should leave the marriage, in my opinion.
But statistically, like that's not what it is.
It's kind of like with the abortion anomaly.
That's not like the majority of abortions.
So let's talk about what actually happens and what actually happens when people are getting divorced isn't these types of scenarios.
It's like literally initiated, you'll probably know the stat, between two-thirds and 80% of the time by women.
And the plurality of that reason is they feel unfulfilled.
They want a new chapter in their life.
It's like the eat prey love phenomenon.
That should be outlawed.
You legally actually should not be able to do that.
Yeah, but then again, I'm going to say the exact same thing I said before where, oh, sorry, finish up.
56% of the time with divorces, one or both spouses cite pornography as one of the reasons why their relationship has to come to an end, an irreconcilable difference.
I'm going to say that.
Hold on.
What's the percent of divorces that are initiated by women, Brian?
78%.
80%.
78%.
80%.
80%.
And what percentage of those women have college degrees?
Well, it jumps to 90% if they're college educated.
Real.
Hold on.
Hold on.
No, wait, hold on.
You guys misquote that all the time.
The percentage of divorces by women with college degrees is lower as they have more education.
But of the women that have college degrees, when they have divorces, there's a higher percentage.
So just to be clear, you're better off marrying a woman with a college degree than not because those marriages have a higher success rate.
But when divorces happen, they have a higher.
I hear that stat finagled a lot on these shows, but they are extremely absurd.
I agree with that.
I want to ask one more scenario, okay?
Please.
What about if two people get married, they have a kid, and then the wife starts cheating?
Do you think they should divorce?
Absolutely.
They should divorce them?
Do Jesus himself?
You know, it wasn't an oracle, and you could work things through, right?
Jesus himself said in cases of adultery, divorce is a good thing.
Do you think that divorce is worse than physical abuse?
For the children?
Sorry, you think that cheating is worse than physical abuse?
For the children, yes.
I'm hoping that I already said that if a woman's getting abused, yeah, I think she should leave.
If it's a brief temporary thing, like what if it's mental abuse?
Okay, now you're not going to be able to do it.
You would setting your child up for failure as well if you stay in these abusive marriages.
Yes, it is, because you're literally every single psychologist, we can Google it right now if you want, will agree that, oh, the patterns that you have at home are going to replicate in their future, right?
So if this child gets used to seeing their other loved ones and probably them being talked down upon, being treated badly, they normalize that behavior.
So you're just going to be able to do that.
It does get passed down generations.
Oh, yeah.
You're correct.
You're setting them up for failure in the workplace and relationships.
I just want you guys to understand this is like the reason why I sit on this podcast and like extol the virtues that I do is because it's like I think we need more righteous biblical masculinity in the world where you actually have good men that are going to be good leaders of their households.
They're not going to beat their wives or emotionally or mentally abuse them or any of these things.
Like that's why I continued to do this podcast with Brian because we need to make men great again so that we don't have these situations continuously.
Yeah, you're talking about liberal men who would get epically triggered like snowflakes.
They're going to be like, you're equal to me.
I'm going to beat you up.
But there's probably going to be cases where there are like really, really horrible marriages.
And my question is, would you recommend those people to like choose happiness and like divorce and try to like be on their own?
Because being in the relationship makes them really, really unhappy?
Maybe even suicidal.
Who knows?
Do you think they should rather stay just because they're trying to be aware of that?
You're talking they should go to return to God.
You're taking a very, very easy issue to go away.
You're taking a very let's say if your partner is being really, really, really bad to you and there's like so many things that he needs, he needs therapy, but he's not doing it.
Do you think that the wife in that case should stick around for that even though it might be really bad for her and the child?
You're taking an extremely niche.
Hold on, you're taking an extremely niche example.
I don't think it is.
I think there's a lot of people.
So listen, you're taking an extremely niche example and you're blank and statementing it for like the entire.
I think that you are though.
No, no, no.
I'm not saying that.
But you're saying like, what if the guy is like beating the wife?
Yeah, I'm asking you.
And then like the kids are like, they love Black Lives Matter.
I never see you conservatives talk about problems like this.
I'm not a conservative, first of all.
How dare you assume my political affiliation?
I've never talked about problems that might happen in a marriage after you get married.
I always see you guys talk about how you get there and all these things.
But when it actually comes to happiness and mental health, I never see you talk about any of it.
And like what's mental health is a science.
I want to make a point.
This is why I tell people that they need to find God and go to church because it's like all of these problems that you're describing.
If somebody authentically has a relationship with Christ and they're living in alignment with the word, like it's going to mitigate 99% of the pressure.
But I do know conservatives that is going to church and they still abuse their partners.
Wait, I'm asking if you're going to stick to the marriage.
So, wait, wait, you know conservative.
What would you say?
Would you tell them to divorce or would you tell them to stay in an abuse and relationship?
You say you know conservative men right now that are beating their wives?
No, I'm saying that they probably exist, right?
I mean, I'm asking you, what would you say to help those?
What would you say?
To liberal men who are beating their wives.
Yeah, but it's not just saying, Yeah, you divorce.
Stop being her.
Yeah, but it's a lot easier as a liberal if you're non-religious to just divorce, right?
But if you're really, really religious, like really heavily, and you have a lot of pressure from your parents and like society, or like the group that you're coming from, the culture, it's going to be a lot harder for you to divorce.
But you're going to have the pressure to stick.
You could do that.
Because you guys are saying, like, no matter what happens, you stick in the marriage, even though it might be way more than that.
But again, to go back, Melina, Melina, to go back to the point, Nev, one second.
To go back to the point that I was making, you know, encouraging people to go to church.
If somebody's in a situation like that, this is a concern that ought to be brought before the church and taken care of with the elders and the other people that are there.
And let's say John is beating his wife, right?
And his wife comes to the church leadership and she's like, hey, like, this is a problem with two black men divorcing.
At that point in time, the church leadership can step in and be like, yo, John, why are you beating your wife?
Which, honestly, I appreciate them asking.
A lot of institutions wouldn't do that.
There might be valid reasons.
And they ought to.
And this is this.
I've already told her twice.
This is a positive, this is a positive social pressure that comes with being a part of the body of Christ and actually being involved, right?
Like there's so many benefits to people seeking God and going to church and like being a part of a community like that where a situation like you're describing arising, like there's going to be a ton of social accountability.
But when people are atomized and they're separated from the rest of their community and stuff, and they're, you know, they have like a secular conservative home, you don't have that social net to like protect.
People used to get lynched for doing things like that.
I think the issue is that like in the broadest in the most macro broadest sense, I think the big disagreements is it feels like on our side, it feels like we're talking about relationships like they're meant to be enjoyed, and you guys are talking about relationships like they're meant to be endured.
Absolutely.
I mean, to an extent, a relationship with the idea.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
The idea that they're just meant to be endured, again, it's another false dichotomy, right?
Like you're saying I did.
No, absolutely.
No, no, no.
You do have to endure.
I understand reason.
You do have to endure.
Look, you have to endure.
Marriage comes down to, in my opinion, my humble opinion, as a single 28-year-old man, you know, I can't speak from experience, but it's like I listen to guys like Jordan Peterson, and he makes incredible points in the sense that there is a lot to be enjoyed in marriage, like you guys are describing, but also at the same time, it takes personal sacrifice.
It takes endurance.
It takes like sticking through thick and thin and like really sacrificing for the relationship.
It's not going to be daisies and roses the entire time.
I mean, Destiny, I think you can agree that majority, like nowadays, the majority of like average people and people in general, they just give up too quick on anything.
I don't know.
I think that the discard.
Do you disagree?
You think the people are like more to like push through things and like not have to say that we can survive better independently without relationships.
So women's standards for enjoying relationships is getting higher.
And I think that we're having an issue trying to get away from the well in most of the Western world, probably, which is all failing.
There's also a lot of people successful compared to what?
I mean, what are we doing to?
Well, I mean, failing as a nation, failing in a relationship with the people.
What nation are we failing compared to?
Well, let's see.
America, let's see, obesity rates are on a climb.
Let's see.
We can't get it.
You're not answering the question.
What country or what other, like, you know, what are we failing to?
Okay, so let's talk about failing in regards to obesity.
No, she's asking for an example of a country that's doing it right.
I wrong.
So Philip, right?
No, we don't need to.
You're saying we're failing as a whole.
That suggests that there's a measure of success.
What country is successful?
No, no, no, it's like 100 years ago.
Yeah, you're trying to say like we need to find another country that's doing it right, but I'm saying no, wrong is wrong and we're doing it wrong.
Like if we're trending in the wrong direction, like we're getting fatter, we cannot meet military recruitment and like requirements.
Holy shit.
No.
My bad.
Drug use is at an all-time high.
Self-deletion is at an all-time high.
Single mother households going up.
American education on every front is like dropping in numbers.
So like every objectifiable number.
Yes.
America's trending in the rock.
Just listen, hold on, hold on.
The West is the West.
Let's get to a super chat real quick.
Brian, pull it up.
Super chats coming.
I gotta have it ready.
Victor Apostol said, hi, Brian and panel.
Again, enjoying your content.
I have joined a support group for young adults/slash teens just to be prepared for when my kids grow up.
In case I screw up in any way, there are 45 younglings there.
The issues they go through start at parents' mismatch.
Word?
Thank you.
Okay, let me get the other one.
I think it's what it does.
Thank you.
Thank you.
You guys?
I don't know.
Hey, thanks for that, bro.
Do we have any more super chats?
Yeah, did we do this one?
Robert Harold, thank you.
Thank you for $99.99.
To Destiny and others who aren't Christian and don't believe in the Bible, I pray God softens your heart so you can experience his presence.
That should be a capital H.
And the overwhelming love, capital H, he has for you.
He has.
I pray this plants a seed in your mind and you ask God to reveal himself to you.
He will.
Amen.
Appreciate it.
We have Caesar Quintana.
Thank you.
Let's be honest.
Women say everything is abuse.
Facts.
So true.
There is truth to that.
So true.
There is truth to that.
It's like cutting.
Like, Steven Crowder was not abusing his wife at all.
That was just going over.
He absolutely was.
That was three minutes like three minutes of him making a mistake.
Sorry for the tens of millions of dollars I've made, baby.
I'm having a moment as a human right now.
Wait, if you make money, if you make money, you can act like a pig.
No, but he made a mistake.
You're taking a three-minute judgment on a guy of like a fucking multiple years plus.
That's true, but that three-minute judgment looks pretty bad.
Yeah, but come on.
Let's be honest.
You do not get that angry in a relationship.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm saying, if somebody saw a three-minute clip of me at my worst complaint, and they were like, I'm sorry, were we interrupting your sound effects with our fucking podcast content?
My bad, Brian.
You want to stick away with the camera?
Sorry for hours and go for it.
Sorry, Brian.
My bad, Brian.
Go ahead.
Sorry, go ahead.
We'll just be quiet.
Go ahead.
Yeah, my bad.
Go ahead.
Dude, this is so.
Brian, why don't you bring up a topic?
This is literally so AIDS.
This is so fucking AIDS.
True, thanks.
True, Queen.
Well, actually, I have a question.
Shout out to the chat counting my white claw account.
They're at seven.
They're accurate.
You're not in drinking the show.
I am.
What the fuck?
Hey, what's the white claws?
You want one?
I would have been.
Mock riskily.
Take one million riding that white claw wave.
Bring him on.
Bring him on.
No, no, no, no.
Let's keep the money.
Don't bring him on.
Don't bring him on.
So, wait.
At some point in the conversation, did you recently decide to wait until marriage?
Or have you always just felt that way?
I've always felt that way.
Because maybe I misheard.
Maybe I misheard.
Did you previously have like a hookup phase or something?
No.
Okay, I must misheard.
I mean, I've always been this way because I was raised extremely, extremely conservatively.
Western.
Okay.
I've always held these values.
I also have a, I wrote a note here.
Sweden has failed.
Have we?
I think Sweden.
I haven't been there for four years, so I don't know what's going on over there.
She's the official ambassador.
I think Norway's a little more based.
Oh, shit, thanks.
I am not supporting any point.
45.000 teens are really screwed up, man.
Not small Sus.
Problem is, people should be careful when choosing their life partner.
I see no simple solution for this.
Most of them are from US, Western EU.
Needs a lot of work/slash talk.
Definitely supporting our site.
Absolutely.
I'll tell you what the solution is.
How do you get an authentic return to God?
True.
Wait, I'm kind of curious.
The reason people aren't careful is because it has become less valuable of an institution because it's so easy to get out of it.
Like, how could you truly value something that you can undo so easily?
Do you think people do divorce as a first or second option?
Because usually when people divorce, it's something that's billed as a solution to all marital problems.
No, it's not.
I have anecdotes for days.
It's so good.
There are stats and added to women.
We tried to do it.
This is my starter husband.
That's not like a meme online.
That's like going on TikTok.
Wait, but it's summarizing an attitude towards marriage that doesn't take it seriously.
Women fare worse in divorce in every measurable metric, and they're the ones that initiate it.
So something is clearly not.
Women fare worse.
That would require that they're rational beings.
How do women fare worse in divorce?
They can divorce guys.
They have to have hard times getting married.
They take all the money.
They have their primary caregivers with their children.
I mean, they can just divorce rape their husbands with no-fault divorce.
You normally divorce rape your husband.
That's not how that works.
It happens all the time.
Only 10% of marriages pay out in alibi.
And 15% of women don't even get childhood.
Can we just say divorce sexual assault?
Wait, we can't say divorce?
No, he's saying divorce.
He was saying without the PC version.
How did it say?
Chase said it.
How dare you dude?
You're like just co-hosted this podcast.
You're like the biggest liability right now.
No, dude.
You're just violating DOS left.
You have to drive your shit into the crown.
That's all right.
I saw Myron was texting you earlier.
You're doing a great job.
What?
Myron is to.
Watch it.
I'm so confused about it.
I'm planting the CD style.
He's joking.
He's joking.
I'm texting Myron right now.
You texted Chase.
Yeah.
We got any other super chats?
No, I think we're good on the super.
Wait.
You want to look at some of the lower ones?
Oh!
999.
Wow.
Don't.
That's $1,000.
Victor, you're throwing me under the fucking table here, bro.
Do what you must.
Oh, my God.
Do what you must?
Brian, I have a question for you.
Bro, what are you doing?
How long was it?
He just mute you for 10 minutes?
Victor, who do you want muted?
He didn't even mut.
Ask and you shall receive.
Bro, this guy's muted.
I'm doing you for 10 minutes, dog.
Who did he mute?
Me?
He's saying ask and you shall receive.
Wait, I think he's saying me?
Oh, because earlier you're talking about.
I need to get muted.
If they muted you, then you would do it, baby.
Yeah.
Wait, mute me?
I'm pretty sure that's what he's saying, bro.
Wait.
Scandal.
Wait.
It's over, Brian.
Wait.
Oh, no.
This is my show now.
I'm the captain now.
Mute the femme.
Who do you want me?
He's in my Instagram.
Who do you want?
Victor, who do you want muted?
Is that Rippy JG?
He says MLD.
He says MLD.
Mute me.
Uh-oh.
Okay.
All right.
What mic number is that?
I'm mic number seven.
Jesus.
I guess it's 12.
It's 12.02 right now.
You're done till 12.12, bro.
How late do you run some of that?
That's a lucky number, by the way.
We're going to wrap here pretty soon.
We're going to wrap here pretty soon.
I say a lot of endurance.
Dude, we still have to have a lot of people.
I'm curious about the first words watching.
I don't think they're very god-like.
Okay, they're not very godly.
No, the thumbnails.
Brian.
Oh, my God.
That's right.
You got a lot of stuff.
I don't know what it is.
That's like you're kind of doing the OnlyFans thing here, but you're just posting loots to get money, and then you're getting all those donations.
Yeah, I know that why you're doing it.
Go harder.
Go hard.
Well, what do you think my position is?
Your position is?
What you're using them?
Why are you using the thumbnails with the half-blood?
Because it gets clicks.
Duh.
I'm not muted.
MLD is muted, bro.
You're muted.
Mike 7 is muted.
I'm Mike 5.
Bro.
Someone just spent $1,000 to mute you.
Number Mike 5.
Come on, scuffed.
Jesus, my producers can't even do basic fucking math.
Is that low?
Melana, to your point.
Wait, those girls are going to be able to do that.
I'm kidding.
You guys have already put this image out there.
You guys have already put this image out there.
You guys have already using them.
But that doesn't mean you should reap it.
What's the point?
You guys explicitly asked for it, though, to be fair.
Explicitly asked for what?
For more cleavage and shit.
I don't explicitly ask for anything.
I literally watched when my buddy was on the show, you were like, pull your hair to the side so I could see your boobs.
Yes.
Yep, not a very god.
I don't remember what Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
Does Jesus say that?
Brian is not a moralist.
He's an everyman.
I'm an everyman.
Brian's a man.
Brian doesn't claim to be a Christian.
He just says he's a man of God.
Whatever he's doing.
He's just a man of God.
You're not acting very godly if you do that.
Absolutely.
You guys are right.
So if Chase ran the podcast, it wouldn't be like that.
Chase is trying to.
Well, if it was up to Chase, I don't even know what the thumbnail is.
We have women in Burkas on the show.
You have them.
You know, we were going to bring the girl who got the Burka.
It would be just the eye slit.
Just the eye slit.
Bring her back in a niqab where her eyes are covered, too.
Thank you, Mary, for the defense there.
Yeah, I mean, just the thumbnails.
Like, you know, you gotta do something a little eye-catching.
Sounds very terrible.
I'm a man of God.
I know what that's like.
I'm a man of God.
And when I stream, I just like lean a little forward and then the viewers just kick up and the donuts drop.
And look, Farha, look, I was looking out for her.
Like, I'm a nice guy, you know?
So I was like, she's got OnlyFans.
I was like, look, her fucking titties are obscured.
Let me throw her a fucking film.
Very selfless of you.
I'm just a very good person.
I'm a good guy.
I was looking out for Farha.
Farha.
Listen.
Can I wingman for her a little bit?
Destiny, listen.
Do you know her?
I had a talk with her after the show, and she told me that she is in love with you.
Wow, that's amazing.
She said that to me.
And listen, I want to facilitate this budding, beautiful relationship.
We can all talk later because she was telling me things that Chase was saying about you.
He actually.
That's Cap.
The leg shaking and everything that you guys are always sitting together.
And the vibration.
We can all explore something together.
Destiny sowing seeds of homosexuality on the show.
I'm not sowing seeds of cash.
I'm just observing the girlfriend.
This is Cap.
And I think there's a lot of girls in the world.
Don't project your hobo stuff onto this side of the street.
Maybe that's why you were walking away taking breaks over and over again because they thought all the shit.
He's like a vampire.
Well, you can't talk at all.
Technically.
We were.
No, no, that's not Farha.
That's not who Farah.
That's Farha.
Farha, yeah.
She.
Yeah, where are we at?
Okay, we have.
Farha also objected to something that I'm trying to remember.
Oh, here we go.
Muhammad Hussein.
I'd recommend you having a conversation with Muhammad Hijab.
I thought that name was fake at first.
About Islam rather than a charlatan like Daniel Hakikiti Tuchu.
Brian, I'd recommend checking his channel out as well to see Islam's response to the problems y'all have been talking about.
Wow.
Yeah, I'll check it out.
Destiny, how much for the rec.
How would you like living under Sharia law?
Jesus Christ.
It's about the same as Christian law, to be fair.
Not really.
How about it?
Similar.
It's pretty similar.
With this guy over here saying it should be illegal to get divorced.
I don't know.
It's pretty similar.
It's one of those things where the woke are more correct than like, yeah, he's right.
Is it?
Yeah.
I mean, thank you.
Based on it, can't you like not like this pathway?
That is the thing.
Can't you beat your wife if she drives or something?
Like, Sharia law has to compensate for being incorrect by being more brutal, where it's like, disagree, I'll kill you.
Christian law is true, so it's justified insofar as that.
True.
He's not beating his wife because she's driving.
He's beating his wife because he knows if she drives, she'll kill somebody else.
See, like, you can see, like, you're like, remember the greater purpose to everything.
You'll like this.
This is a fantastic sound.
You'll like this because it's a superhero movie.
Remember in Spider-Man 3?
I'm like, I'm like Spider-Man, and you're like Eddie Brock, and you've got the symbiote trying to pull you out of it in the final battle.
I can see it's still there, the remnants of it.
Although Otaku made a great point, he said, Christians don't throw gays off roofs.
Yes, this is correct.
Why not?
I feel like Christians have a pretty rich history of prosecuting the homosexual people.
Look where that got us.
Let's do a Fitchek Flan Life.
No, you're probably not selling the chat.
Forever donated all the $50 or excuse me, the 50 gifted memberships from way early on in the show.
We got to do a fit check.
Fit check is where we stand up and you show us what you're wearing.
So, like, you know, we get the fit.
We see the fit.
There's the clickbaits right here.
I know.
You want me to go first?
Everybody just at the same time.
We all met at the same time.
And mostly just that side of the table from Duo.
We just fucking kick back.
No, I want everyone to do it.
Everybody wants to see it.
Come on.
Don't be shy.
All right, all right.
Make sure my ultramas are in the shot.
Where are those jeans from?
Oh, these are high-quality Wrangler games from Walmart.
And if everybody, including Destiny, can do a spin, let's do a little spin.
Can we do a little spin?
Wait, wait, wait.
Mary, come on.
I'm not doing it.
Mary's a dignified woman of God.
Thanks.
With a boyfriend.
True.
And a cool card, I guess.
All right.
Okay, cool.
That was.
Boom.
Was that what you're doing?
Wait, Chase, show the guns.
Let's see the guns, Chase.
Give me tries.
Let's see the tries.
We don't get any from California, so.
Fuck, Myron.
You want to see mine?
Yeah, actually, yeah, let's see yours.
Double buy?
A little double buy, actually.
Wow, that's actually impressive.
Fuck.
Myron.
That's impressive.
Hey, Destiny, is it death by Snoosnu or what?
She loves me too much.
Usually.
What do you bicep curl?
What do you bicep curl?
Wait, or overhead press.
Or shoulder press.
Oh, shit.
Who's shoulder press?
What are your numbers?
The bench.
What is the bench right now?
25 or 70?
She benches kilograms because of sweet.
She benches 95 for 10 reps.
Wait, can you pull it?
She squats like 165 for five reps.
How much do you weigh?
Like probably 140?
60 kilograms.
Oh, sorry.
The deltoids are pretty solid too, I reckon.
She can deadlift 225.
She hip thrusts like fucking almost 315, I think.
Question: Can you do pull-ups?
On the stream right now, would you be down 10 or 12 or something?
Wow, that's it.
Could you squat Destiny right now?
I have a heel son, okay?
And I'm taking those off because then I'm barefoot and that costs money, okay?
So that's a good place.
10 pull-ups or 10 chin-ups?
Pull-ups.
No, chin-ups.
Sorry.
Chin-ups.
Maybe.
I can do, I think, like seven pull-ups or something.
Cut me on some of the donuts.
We'll talk.
All right, we'll see.
We'll see what we can do.
We'll see what we can do.
Nicole M said Destiny has a cute body.
Thanks.
Oh, wait, Nicole?
Nicole.
Okay, cool.
Tell Nicole my Instagram is Instagram.com/slash Destiny.
She can hit me up.
Okay.
My mic time up is over.
Is it?
Oh, shit.
He's back.
You got the world of three minutes.
Three minutes.
I think you got three minutes.
Return of the king.
Oh, my God.
Okay.
Any one final thought before we wrap up the show?
Price, I'm tired.
MLD's dying to get back in.
I just wanted to say, okay, it's completely limited.
You brought up the Witcher 3 earlier, right?
You said that the sex scene is the Witcher 3, but it opens up with Gerald, Jaral, it opens up with him ass butt naked with his dick out.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I just wanted to just throw that in there.
I just wanted to.
I'll check it out later.
Thanks.
I love that game.
Have you ever played Fable?
I haven't.
I haven't played a lot of RPG stuff because it plays really poorly on stream.
People get really bored watching me play that stuff.
Did you play World of Warcraft?
Fuck no.
Do I look like a dunno set?
Bro, World of Warcraft.
I'm personally attacked right now.
I am hurting.
I played like Fallout 3.
I played a little bit of New Vegas.
I played like Spirit.
Which one's your favorite?
I like the original Fallout 3.
I like New Vegas.
Fantasy.
It can't be minus!
What the fuck was that shit?
Yeah.
All right, I am curious.
Except that times four.
What were you saying?
Let's go around with that.
Closing thoughts on the discussion?
Get your final super chats on.
This was really nice.
I'm very happy.
I feel really good.
Yeah, this is really nice.
That's good to hear.
It's good to hear.
Yeah, I enjoyed it.
I had a fun time.
Follow me at P-X-I-E-Pixie, and thank you for having me on.
Sometimes I wonder, I worry on these shows if like actual physical presence can dictate talking time.
Because I feel like you had a lot more to say, but you're kind of like crunched in the corner.
I know you've got a lot to say, but you're kind of like crunched in the corner.
I wonder if you guys had a bigger table if it was.
It's totally the corner of tomb.
The corner of the streets.
Yeah, they are so different.
It's actually sexism.
Shut up.
Exactly.
He's going to start beating me.
Billy.
Fifth wave feminism will save society.
What is fifth wave feminism?
What is fourth wave feminism?
Women returning to traditional values.
Back to the kitchen, ladies.
Back to the kitchen.
Back to the kitchen.
Is that even feminism, though?
That's that's that's my new way to do it.
Wake God all of that is like a humiliation ritual to me and my cool friends.
It's fifth wave feminism because they're going to be back in the kitchen doing OnlyFans.
Oh, yeah.
Disavowed.
Sexual.
Disavow.
Nev.
Navarius.
Navarre.
That's your name.
Navarius.
Follow me on Instagram, Nev the Robot.
Shout out to my best Discord friend, Chrome Face Karma.
Do you want to say anything that Destiny?
Like you said.
Well, I had a nice chat.
Thanks.
Do you want to say anything to him?
What do you mean?
You said before the show, like you wanted to say something to him.
Oh, say anything?
Well, no.
You're pretty.
Yeah, he's pretty.
I think Chase is pretty.
Actually, I will say.
I want Chase like a title.
Hold on.
No.
Wait.
Not before marriage.
Chase can wait.
No, no, no, no.
Holy shit, Chase.
I just wanted to.
Is she your type?
The whole podcast, she has been saying to me.
No, no, no, but you have to wait for her.
She can say what?
Exposure.
No, no, no, Chase.
No, no, no, no.
I know she did.
And our results.
Energized.
She definitely said that.
No, no, no.
Goodbye, women who love her.
This is her wrong.
Hey, Jesus.
I'm trying to set up the message.
Hey, Eric, you want to tap MLB's mic back in?
Hello?
Sorry, I'm muted.
Yay.
MLB, closing thoughts for us, bro.
Take us home.
I am going to be continuing my YouTube tour.
So I'm going to be on Sneco this upcoming week.
I'm heading to Miami tomorrow.
So I'm going to be on Sneeko, Jeda Diabela, Valutainment Money, Brandon Carter's Victory Talk.
And I may or may not be on a Fresh and Fit After Hour, kind of like talking Myron into doing it tomorrow night.
So check me out there.
In regards to all this stuff, I mean, just big shout out to Brian, who has maintained a colored hair so far.
I think the stress is going to eventually turn him full gray.
But big ups to you, bro.
You're holding it down.
And then, yeah, I just think like a lot of people give in Destiny grief.
Like, you need to kind of like apply the red pill beliefs, if you will, across the board, which is he's his own man.
He's living life on his own terms.
So like, you gotta do have to give him some respect in that sense.
Can I add to that?
I will say, Destiny, I thought I would definitely dislike you, but you had some very interesting points, and I definitely respect you.
Yeah, I would like to apologize for calling you a cuck.
I apologize.
I didn't know that your wife was.
I'm glad you don't.
No apologies for me.
I appreciate that.
Thank you.
I make this chance to apologize to absolutely nobody.
All right, Mary.
Good times.
No apologies.
Nice talking.
If you want to follow me on Twitter or Instagram, it's both Mary Archived.
And the show I'm on is called Pop Culture Crisis.
If you want to check it out, check out her show, guys.
It's a good show.
Thanks.
John Doyle, what you got for us?
I guess I would have to respectfully disagree with my good friend here on some of the red pill strategy.
It's just, you know, ultimately, it's like a cheat code for mastering the things of this earth at a greater level of sophistication.
I think the only way to truly live is to give your life to Jesus Christ and to pray that he uses you as a vessel to fulfill his mission.
And I do actually, I do have to extend an olive branch.
Respect a lot that Destiny came on with his wife because he knew what he was getting into, and people give him a hard time.
So, that does say a lot about his character, even if his marriage is sort of an abomination.
It is good that he would, at least in that regard, he has more honor than a lot of other people who operate within his coalition.
So, that is good.
Did you have a response to that, Destiny?
I'm gladly an abomination.
Nothing would make me proud.
Proud abomination.
That's the pride.
You're a little icky.
You're a little icky.
Are you an abomination?
You're a little icky, but I like your taste.
He's going to go home and cry over his millions of dollars and all the women after him.
I will be crying.
Now, Chase, who also worships God, but clearly a different one than this guy.
What are you watching?
Same God, different approach towards men beating their wives.
Very much seems like an Old Testament guy versus a New Testament guy.
I only like the God of the Old Testament, by the way.
I am an Old Testament respecter.
I will tell you that.
Yeah, closing thoughts.
First off, I want to thank you guys for the good faith discussion.
This was, I enjoyed it.
I enjoyed it.
A lot of interesting points raised.
You guys, super cool exposing yourselves, being vulnerable like this on the podcast.
Like he said, you guys knew you'd get roasted.
I think it takes a lot of courage and bravery to do that.
Grateful you guys did.
People that know me know that I believe that a return to God is the thing that will heal our civilization.
And even though you guys have your disagreements with that, I firmly believe that and will preach that till the day I die.
And if you guys want to follow me, you can at Sovereign Bra on Instagram and Twitter, Sovereign, and then B-R-A-H.
Also, for the fam in the chat, drop a Christ as Lord and a Deus Volt in all caps.
Let us know that you're still with us.
And yeah, also, everybody, follow John Doyle.
Oh, yeah.
I make offensive internet content at youtube.com/slash John Doyle.
I'm a real normal, well-adjusted guy.
I'm sure you'll like it a lot.
You should definitely go check it out.
All right, cool.
So I'm youtube.com/slash destiny.
She's where do people find you?
Melina at twitch.tv slash Melina and then Melina.jorunsen on Instagram and YouTube.
And on TikTok, I think.
Yep.
Follow me on YouTube also.
Modern Life Dating, Modern Life Dating One Word, M-L-D for short.
I was just on OneAmerica News.
You'll see me.
OnlyFans.com/slash whatever.
Go check it out.
By the way, guys, we have 16,000 people still watching.
Can we get the likes to 10,000?
Can we get 10,000 likes?
Spam.
7.
Brian is bringing you guys free content every freaking week, multiple times every week.
Smash that like button.
Support our boy Brian.
Come on.
This guy up here, he was upstairs fighting for his life a while ago.
Now he's back here.
Okay, come on.
Brian is sacrificing his life and limb to bring you guys entertainment.
Support this man.
Yes, it is.
There's a lot of physical.
Okay, it's like a danger job.
It's a dangerous job.
All of us here hope you enjoy ourselves.
You'll be fine.
Appreciate it.
Appreciate it.
Thank you for you.
Archduke Franz Ferdinand, what you got for us?
I was going to say this was a really great podcast out of all the ones I've been here for.
This is a really good one.
All you guys did a great job.
Wait, who are you?
Archduke.
Is she like a.
Is she related to someone here, or is it just like a memo?
She's my sister.
Oh, yeah.
Wait, I can't tell if you're fucking with me or not.
No, like we're related.
Yeah.
Do they look related?
It's like.
Hello?
My dad.
Full blood, both parents.
Yeah.
Cool.
Okay.
We're also related, apparently.
Yeah, we absolutely are.
We're all related.
Bro, your parents are related.
What the fuck?
Damn.
That's so nice.
Oh, my God.
Chase would never settle for a.
I don't know where I'm going.
No, no, no, no.
Leave me alone.
Leave me alone.
Stop.
By the way, that's a big L for your boyfriend for you to be whispering.
I don't like him.
I don't like him like that.
I don't like him like that.
Bro, you're whispering.
It doesn't fucking matter.
If she has a boyfriend, she's got a fucking boyfriend.
She is.
I know she sees.
Can we get F's in chat?
Please.
This is motivation for the boyfriend.
If he's seen that, yo, break up with her.
Break up the hands.
I just said he was handsome.
All I said was he was.
Yeah, that's a big L. That's a big L for the fucking boyfriend.
You can't be whispering on a podcast.
20,000 people.
Billy Rex.
The next generation of pupils is being made right now.
I never said that.
I never said that.
Tell them that it was a joke.
It's a joke.
This is what I'll say.
This is what I'll say.
If my girlfriend, who had a background in dancing, danced with another guy, there might be a stern conversation, but if she were on a podcast whispering, oh, he's so cute.
I don't know.
No, no, no.
I would go Sean Connery mode so completely.
You'd beat her ass.
No, to say that.
Oh, I did not say that.
No divorce.
Yo, by the way.
Tell them it was a joke.
Yo.
I'm lowering the TTS trigger to 69 if any of you ridiculous people want to get a TTS at the end here.
Yo, when are you going to send more money for Brian?
Send more money now.
Bro, there's not much I can do, man.
I'm in physical therapy.
Have you tried acupuncture yet?
I haven't.
I should try.
I've heard amazing things about acupuncture.
You're everything I hate.
Yo, I thought it was a good idea.
Dude, I thought.
Look, I will give you that on the acupuncture thing.
I thought it was BS.
I've heard from like a half dozen people.
They tried it and they were like, dude, it changed my life.
Be free, chat.
Be free.
The chat is now off of members only mode.
Be free if you guys want.
Tell them it was a joke.
Anything else?
Last call?
Last chance?
You want to say earlier?
Can you please apologize to your boyfriend?
No, I legit didn't whisper that.
Like, legit.
Bro, you legit fucking said that.
You should bring him on the channel.
Bro, you've been I fucking the shit out of Chase the entire show.
No.
He's too old for me.
You're gonna get your channel delisted.
Oh my god.
Careful, dude.
For Billy, please.
I said it was a joke.
Bro, I watched that video.
I don't know if there's like a miscommunication.
We didn't say paused.
Oh, there's stopped.
We said over.
It's over.
It's done.
We're not coming back.
Chase always the man of God we deserve.
Destiny.
Yeah.
Royal, very fake.
Yo, thank you, man.
TTS is at $69 if any of you mad men want to get a last-minute thing in here.
Guys, we're almost at 10K.
Well, we're 2,000 away from 10K likes.
If you can drop a like, please, on the video.
Do we do the Patrice clip?
No, I don't think so.
That's overplayed.
Feminism is Cancer.
Hello?
Based?
Clearly.
Clearly.
True.
I'm just trying to get a little last-minute back and forth there.
Feminism is the cancer that killed my grandpa.
What the fuck?
Feminism is the beautiful thing that allowed all the lovely young ladies to be on this podcast today.
So thank you, Basil.
Based.
I'm glad we got there for Cesar.
I appreciate everything.
Mary, Nev, Billy.
Pixie.
Billy.
And Pixie, I had to say, Emmelina, my lovely wife.
If you want a last-minute influx of donos, we have to give out our most controversial take that is still TOS friendly.
I'm going to be getting on your knees who God is kind of gay.
I was a Catholic.
We did a lot of kneeling.
Okay.
Oh, here.
Okay, how about this?
I think taking dicks in the ass from other guys is kind of gay.
True.
But only one of us here tonight is moving our heads so hard.
Yo, you just got roasted.
Also, I'm not a part of whatever he just described.
But he's still, but Brian still hasn't sucked dick, and you have.
It's an alleged thing.
No, no, there's matching our money.
A lot of chemistry.
It was a big thing.
There's a big, no, there's no dick sucking on one side and dick sucking on the other.
So, anyway.
I'm just defending Brian because he can't stop.
I'm just trying to get the fuck out of here, okay?
So that's being Frank Hassel.
Going forward.
What's your most controversial take?
I got it.
No, no, no, no.
I got two.
So I got the idea.
I don't want to carry that cross right now.
Here, I got it.
I got two.
I got two.
I recommend men don't go down on women.
All right.
Eating them out.
Yeah, no, no going down on women.
That's gay, pretty good.
No, that's fucking based as fuck.
Eating pussy is gay.
What?
How many senses have men in that pussy?
Oh, wait, I got two.
This is gay.
Wait, what was the second hot take?
The second hot take is men should not pay on first dates.
Wow.
Based.
Oh, my God.
50-50?
50-50.
Make the woman pay all up front.
He's making a woman pay for a guy that's not even going to go down on her.
That's base.
That's pretty gigaton.
No, that's not a good idea.
I would pay for my split the check, is what I mean.
That's split the check.
Oh, that's not even a hot take.
Bro, come on out.
That's the norm.
Oh, guys.
Super hot feminist take women should be able to vote.
That's the norm, though.
Come on, Brian.
Brian, that's the norm in Tokyo in Japan.
It's split.
I've got one that's first date Dutch interest.
Great Roll Dog podcast and shout out to all Rolling Fucking I don't think that this is the solution, but I think it makes far more sense than what we're doing now in terms of incarceration, how our criminal justice system works.
I'm sure all of you are familiar with certain loyalty programs at coffee shops, wherever.
You get a punch card, right?
And you know, your eighth punch card, you get like a free coffee or something like that.
I think it makes more sense than what we're doing now to, like, upon your eighth felony arrest, you just get executed by the officer on site going through the process.
That is not a dating.
That is something that makes more sense because it's so much more expensive.
Hold on, hold on.
Big L take bricks and eating.
Smiley cat face.
Dayvonne, I disagree with you on this one.
Washington, D.C., the average person who is like arrested for a violent offense has been arrested, not for violent defenses, but just in general, 11 times prior.
All of the people we have right now that are locked up in prison for the rest of their lives.
I'm not talking about people where it's ambiguous.
They still get convicted.
It's obvious.
We have DNA.
We have a confession.
It's still a burden.
It's like translating the burden from being on the public and safety and things like that to now it's a burden on our tax dollars, sucking out of the system.
These people do not deserve to be alive anymore.
So how do you hot take?
So hot take.
How do you, what is the legislation on the execution?
Is it like 45 caliber, straight in the brain, or two in the chest, two in the head?
How does that work?
As shooter people, they can get like, you know, kick off with their job or something like that.
So how are we killing them?
This is an important question, guys.
So true.
You guys are really trying to nimp this mess.
Oh, God.
For the record, I thought that was awesome.
Talk about death is not TLS.
Talk about how you're going to kill someone.
Execution.
Fucking dude.
No, we didn't get detailed.
I mean, he was trying to fish it out.
All right.
What if there's strange there?
Strange Guard 23, 70 bucks.
He said, Mr. Doyle, when are you doing the ice cream video?
Also, you should do a video about whether Zeppelins are inherently left-wing or something.
Wait, hold on.
Let me answer this question with a question in homage to our friend who departed.
What is your favorite flavor of ice cream, Destiny?
Not precisely.
My answer is really boring because the answer is going to be the best flavor, which is chocolate chip cookie dough.
That's actually what I expected.
It is chocolate chip cookie dough, okay?
That's interesting.
The idea with that is I made some comments, I think, in a video actually about the pornography, that vanilla ice cream is inherently right-wing because it exists, you know, as vanilla.
It's in its natural state.
It doesn't have these additives to enhance it for you.
Degenerates who have eroded your dopamine receptor so you can't perceive vanilla as good as these other flavors.
Did you take your pills today?
No, I didn't.
I didn't take any Zen, anything like that.
Thank God.
But it's also, I think, internally because typically vanilla is used as a buzzword.
Like, oh, that's so vanilla.
That's so bland.
They use this to describe anything that maybe people on this side of the table would regard to be sacred or good.
And I think that's just destructive to tell people that they always need to chase this dragon of novelty and variety in order to get enjoyment out of life.
Which is why I like analyzing.
I changed my answer to Rocky Road everyone.
No heck off comie except when it comes to sharing someone else's entire on-screen persona.
Next time, steal a sense of humor too.
Wait, can you restart that?
You said you stole Nick Fuente's personality.
You stole Nick Fuentes' personality.
Where is Nick Fuentes' personality?
Give it back.
That's like obviously not true.
I mean, and the thing is, it's like his audience are like these Zoomers and totally see it.
Oh, God.
Just now I can kind of see it.
Yeah, I can see it.
So, that's like a Trump thing, you know?
It's like the Donald Trump, you know, the way he talks and a lot of like yellow.
Yeah, no, it's the way we talk, the way we gesticulate.
All of these young Zoomer content creators are all trying to mimic Donald Trump to be funny.
Like, that's like what that is.
In terms of like being a young, right-wing Catholic male, I didn't know that there was like a monopoly in that.
We need to get Fuentes on it.
They should fight over the likeness.
Fight.
Yeah, but the difference is fight to the death.
I got in trouble for that recently, actually.
But yeah, that's.
Oh, my God.
No, I can't.
I can't.
It's like the dark night.
Schaefer's full key.
Let's go, Schaefer Meister.
We've been trying to get you on the show.
I mean, that's on you, but who's who?
Bro, we got to bring in Schaefer Meister.
He's my boy.
That's my boy.
Okay.
You got to bring him in.
All right.
I feel like I'm forgetting something, but it's a very good thing.
I have a hot take.
Doyle rules.
Lucky full metal said John Doyle for president, Chuck's for vice president.
President, why would you burden us with checks and balances?
That's such a worse than marriage.
I mean, come on.
But yeah, cool.
All right.
Anyways, guys, last call.
Hit that like button, please, on your way out.
Get us to 10,000 likes.
Please would really appreciate it.
Big thank you for tuning in tonight.
You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
I appreciate that.
Thank you to everyone who super chats and supports the show.
The support tonight was really overwhelming.
Thank you guys so much for your patronage.
Big thank you to the wonderful panel tonight.
You guys were awesome.
It was a very lively conversation.
Destiny, thank you so much for coming all the way from Florida.
And well, everyone else for coming from all your respective geographic regions.
Your time is Brian.
Can I say something real quick?
Yeah.
Guys, if you guys liked this stream, throw a W in the chat and also smash the like button to support Brian, please.
Thank you guys.
Thank you.
And I just want to see.
Oh, wait, what was your hot take?
You said you had a hot take.
Oh, yeah.
Mexican food is not good.
That's a fucking hot take.
What the fuck, bro?
Dude, right in the future.
No, do we kick you off like this?
Huram!
Deported!
Booted!
Fooded!
Defensive!
Okay, have you ever been to a fucking IKEA?
She's literally Swedish.
I barely have edible food over there.
Okay, I'll say Swedish food sucks.
Okay, it's really bad.
Ikea food's good, though.
No, it's not.
Can you please go back to your trailer?
That's a real hot take right there.
Liking Mexican food is just like a cultural psyop to placate people on demographic change.
That's why I'm not allowed to do that.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Queso at Chipotle is a PSYOP.
We're good.
All right, we have two super...
We got two super chats.
Oh, my God, cringe.
Tony Malamey said red pills say wives control 80% of the household income, but then say that women get divorced for financial reasons.
Maybe for the ultra-ultra-rich, no shot for the average marriage.
Facts.
It's Melina's problem for buying toilet paper.
Got it.
Next time.
Savvy Ren Shaw.
You want to read it, Destiny?
Yeah, the fact that happiness metric is segregated using socioeconomic slash cultural numbers is BS.
For example, the happiness levels in India are far higher.
Did Fresh donate this?
In India?
Are far higher than happiness levels in the USA?
The fact of the matter is that all of these are intertwined, which has to do with traditional values that exist in the culture.
Based, true.
Based.
All right.
And then Savvy, thank you for the currency.
6,600.
That's rupees.
That's Indian rupees.
And Schaefer Meister 100.
Looking forward to it, boys.
Let's go.
Let's get you on.
The invite's been there.
Let's get you on the show, though.
Come on, Jordan.
Jordan, I'll text you.
Let's get it scheduled.
Okay, sweet.
And oh, I just wanted to say one other thing on MLD number one.
MLD number one.
MLD number one.
My gosh, my legs hurt from sitting.
I drink your milkshake.
I drink it up.
Because milk?
Oh, fuck.
Sorry.
Okay.
That was so gay.
Because you're milking it.
I'm milking it.
You know that milkers.
I thought it was a he calls me milkers.
MLD number one.
Bro, I can't wait to read the comments after this podcast.
It's going to be wild.
Just really quick on everyone, just a thank you to everyone who supported the show.
Your patronage really does not go to waste.
I try to reinvest the money I make back into the podcast.
We just bought a $5,000 computer, $1,000 for a new audio mixer.
We got five new microphones, $400 a pop, these SM7Bs.
And I'm not trying to ball out.
I got one car.
I bought it 10 years ago, Toyota in 2013.
I wear Costco sweatpants, $5 t-shirts, $20 flannels.
So I'm not trying to ball out.
I really do try to reinvest your patronage back into the show.
And okay, we have, let's see.
Oh, any women who want to be on the show, you have to DM at BD underscore Atlas because our whatever Instagram thing is scuffed.
It's bugged.
I'm trying to contact Instagram.
It's nearly impossible.
Anyways, guys, we will be live again Sunday at 7 p.m. Pacific.
We have Pearl from just Pearly Things.
She's going to be Destiny's favorite creator.
Destiny's favorite.
We have a couple of cool other guests coming, so be sure to tune into that.
And then Tuesday, we have another good show, too.
So some really good, solid guests on the way.
So yeah, Sunday, 7 p.m. Pacific is our next show.
That's it for tonight, guys.
Thank you guys once again so much for tuning in.
Have a good night.
Oh, Madison, final thought?
Should we say it?
I already said my final thoughts.
Oh, you did?
Yeah.
Okay.
I just want to say thank you for all the support in the chat, you guys.
I really appreciate it.
Cost more than his clothes?
Hello?
Okay.
Yeah, we'll see you next time.
Oops, Jesus Christ.
We'll see you next time.
Good night, guys.
Good night.
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