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March 1, 2023 - Whatever Podcast

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Dating Talk #59

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	Our worst case scenario is restarting some microphone.
	Check, check.
	Hopefully, put a one in the chat.
	It's on.
	Okay, cool.
	Sorry, guys.
	Jesus Christ.
	I knew something was off.
	All right.
	Welcome back.
	Hello.
	Welcome to the whatever podcast, where professionalism is our strong suit.
	So, I will redo the intro.
	Sorry about that, guys.
	We are coming to you live from Santa Barbara, California, every Sunday and Tuesday at 7 p.m. Pacific.
	I'm your host, Brian Atlas.
	I'm joined by my co-host, Kiki.
	She's a bit shy.
	Guys, a few quick announcements before the show begins.
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	All super chats, $50 and up.
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	see all other triggers in the description.
	All donations and, did I already read that?
	Jesus Christ, scuffed.
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	Link for that is in the description.
	Sorry, guys, the audio issues got me all flustered.
	So, Jesus Christ, what are you dropping, Allie?
	Holy fuck.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Scuffed stream as usual.
	All right.
	So, as far as the difference here, if you super chat $100, YouTube takes $30.
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	So with the Super Chats, donations, and TTS, let's just keep it pleasant.
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	Okay, he got it.
	bad anyways um if you guys wanna oh bro that audio issue got me all flustered okay Okay, guys, we're also live on Twitch right now.
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	And guys, if we can get this video to 10,000 likes, we will do Chase versus Kiko part two.
	Anyways, after a thoroughly scuffed and butchered introduction, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	My name's Kiko.
	I'm 23.
	I'm a bartender and a student at UCSB.
	Hi, I'm Lauren Jasmine.
	I'm 25 and I'm an OnlyFans creator.
	I'm Holly Zai.
	I'm 21 and I do OnlyFans and Porn.
	I'm Emma Magnolia.
	I'm 30 and I also do OnlyFans and Porn.
	I'm Raisha.
	I'm 18 and I'm a student at SBCC.
	What do you study?
	Kinesiology.
	I'm Emily Ralph.
	I'm 18 and I'm a student athlete at SBCC.
	Hey, I'm Jillian.
	I'm 18 and I'm a student at the city college, Santa Barbara State College, and I'm studying communications.
	I'm Allie.
	I have a YouTube channel at RealFem Sapien.
	I am also a housewife and soon-to-be mom.
	All right.
	Very cool.
	Very cool.
	Guys, everyone's Instagrams are in the description besides Kiko because she wants her TikTok.
	She's on the TikTok grind.
	I just don't want to be harassed on Instagram anymore.
	Okay.
	So, oh, one thing.
	You have a McDonald's tattoo.
	Can we see that one?
	I do.
	I don't know if the camera, I think you have to.
	It's behind the mic.
	Oh, yeah.
	Actually, you know what?
	Maybe don't show that, come to think of it.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I saw it on your Instagram.
	Okay, so you three do OnlyFans, you guys do also corn.
	So how long have you guys been doing that?
	Let's start with you.
	I got into it as soon as COVID started and my bartending job told me to go home.
	It's the day I started My OnlyFans.
	Okay.
	Oh, two questions for you guys.
	Are those prescription lenses?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	So you need them.
	You need them.
	Okay, got it, got it.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	It's my fourth month on OnlyFans and my second month in porn.
	Okay.
	And are you from Australia?
	I am.
	I'm from Melbourne.
	Okay.
	Rock and roll.
	I've been doing content for like three years now, but I really just started getting really into it.
	Tilt the microphone down towards you just 10, just so they can hear you.
	Perfect.
	There you go.
	Love it.
	Check chat.
	Lovely.
	Okay, yeah.
	So I've been doing content for like almost three years now, but I only very recently started doing corn, as they might say.
	Okay, very cool.
	So how much do you guys make doing LonelyFans?
	Like six figures.
	A month?
	Yes.
	Do you want to give us a range, 200K, 300K?
	I've made over $200,000 a month.
	Okay.
	Wait, then you said you started it four months ago?
	No, I started a month ago.
	I think I got you two mixed up there.
	Okay, so you've been doing it for a while.
	So you're making six figures a month?
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Well done.
	Thank you.
	What about you?
	This is my fourth month, and I just started hitting.
	I just started hitting 50K.
	I'm up.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	I also make six figures a month.
	Okay.
	Impressive.
	And Kika, how much do you make bartending?
	A month.
	A month.
	Okay.
	Her OF is in the works, gentlemen.
	No, it is not.
	Okay.
	And in terms of the type of work you guys do, is it solo, BG, what kind of content?
	Perhaps without getting too graphic, but.
	I do it all.
	I also do it all.
	I'm about to do it all.
	About to do it all.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	Okay, so you guys are high owners then.
	Some of you are making seven figures a year.
	That's quite a lot.
	I kind of want to throw this proposal out there right now.
	This is the simp circle of life.
	So I kind of want to do the reverse finesse.
	If I send you guys feet pics after the show, will you each pay me $500?
	No.
	No, I wouldn't.
	Personally.
	No?
	Feet pics don't even sell that well on my own one.
	So if I did some more intense photos, then maybe?
	Perhaps.
	We'll see how the podcast goes.
	Okay, darn.
	Okay, I was really hoping I could score a little extra money there tonight.
	Okay.
	$200 for feet pics.
	Anyone want to shake?
	I've had a person buy some foot photos for me for $200 before.
	Is my price too high?
	You know, I think that it's the idea that you'd be sending the feet pics and then expecting money to be sent back rather than a negotiation first.
	Or unless this is the negotiation.
	Kind of.
	We're setting a price on your feet pics right now.
	I'm just going to throw some numbers out there.
	I would pay you $10.
	Low ball?
	$50.
	Yeah.
	That's a low ball.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm pricier than that.
	It's $1 per tow.
	You know, this is the industry standard.
	All right.
	Okay.
	And while we're at it, let's just, since the people in the chat have been demanding it, can we get an ahe gal from each of you?
	Oh.
	Can you do it into this camera?
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	That's her thing.
	Oh, do you guys do it too?
	Not really.
	Yeah, I don't really do it.
	Okay, what about that?
	I support you, Laura.
	I love to see you do it.
	Uwo?
	Oh, God.
	I'm sorry, Chad.
	Once more.
	Okay, that was...
	That was good.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	Devon Jackson Super Chattied $100.
	Stop.
	Fucking simping.
	Fail us.
	Hey, yo, Dave Vaughn, thank you for the $100 soup chat.
	I concur.
	I concur.
	Okay, so Ara Ara, I think that's the last one.
	Do any of you know that?
	Yeah, you go.
	Ara Ara?
	Oh, that was good.
	Ara ara.
	Oh, God, okay.
	Ara.
	I apologize, chat.
	Okay.
	All right, so we're going to go around the table once more.
	Current relationship status.
	So single, situationship, relationship, and what is your longest relationship?
	Go ahead.
	I'm not single, and my longest relationship has been like two and a half years.
	Well, so you're not single.
	Is it a relationship or a situationship?
	Relationship.
	Okay.
	I'm single.
	My longest relationship was like three years, but I've been single for like four years now.
	Single for four?
	Yeah.
	Okay, got it.
	I'm single, and my longest relationship was three years.
	Okay.
	I'm single, and my longest relationship was also three years.
	I'm single, and my longest relationship was like seven months.
	I'm in a relationship, and my longest relationship is a year.
	The current one?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm single and my longest relationship was literally like six months.
	I'm married.
	I just had my first one-year anniversary, so that was a lot of fun.
	We've been together, I think, for a little bit over two years, and I'm 28 years old.
	I meant to mention that earlier.
	Oh, I think, yeah, we might have skipped that.
	How long have you been married?
	A little bit over a year.
	A little bit over a year.
	Okay.
	One year.
	And then were you previously married?
	Yep.
	I was in a five-year marriage in my early 20s, and I ended up getting divorced when I was about 25.
	And it actually taught me a lot.
	A lot of women, they like to blame their ex-husbands, and, you know, and you can do that if you want, but that really doesn't allow you to do work on yourself.
	So when that relationship ended, I kind of just wanted to see what my deficiencies were, and I went to work on that.
	And I would say, like, I've gotten more successful at it.
	There you go.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	So a couple of you, actually, quite most of you, said you were single.
	But in today's day and age, you know, what does being single actually mean?
	What does that actually mean?
	So you're single, but what does that mean to you?
	Like, is there a guy in your life right now?
	I feel like there's always kind of someone around that I have like a situationship with.
	But yeah, recently I've set some boundaries just to make myself feel a little bit more free.
	What boundaries are those?
	I have said he's not usually here, so.
	So.
	Is he imaginary?
	sort of um yeah i just i thought it was going somewhere And I don't think it is.
	So just like a little bit.
	I just needed some space to do me.
	So you guys are not on at the moment?
	Or?
	No, I'm single.
	You're single.
	But he's around.
	He's around.
	Yeah.
	Your private parts?
	When he's around.
	Okay, but I'm just trying to understand.
	So you're kind of seeing him, you're kind of not.
	Okay.
	But it's just a situationship.
	Well, maybe here's a better question.
	So you're single.
	There's been this guy who's kind of been in and out, right?
	Yeah.
	Like, when's the last time that you've hooked up with somebody?
	Two days ago.
	Okay, two days ago?
	Was it that guy or somebody else?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, I haven't started hooking up with more people or something else yet.
	Okay, how long have you been in this thing with this guy?
	A one-year situationship, yeah.
	One-year situationship?
	Do you want more?
	Does he want more?
	Or are you happy as is?
	I did, but when I realized it wasn't really going anywhere, I'm like, I need to take a step back.
	And I think there's more things I need to do single, completely free.
	More things you need to do single?
	Yeah.
	A train?
	What are we talking about here?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Well, eventually.
	Okay.
	I'm starting boy girl content, so I feel like it'd just be easier.
	The guy that you're seeing, sort of, kind of quasi-sort of seeing right now, is he going to continue seeing you once you start the BG content?
	Or are you doing it with him?
	No, I'm not doing it with him.
	Okay.
	Is he okay with you?
	Yeah.
	Well, I suppose you guys aren't committed, so.
	No.
	But is he okay with you?
	Yeah, he wants me to pursue whatever I want to do.
	Okay.
	But it is a little bit hard with having a lot of feelings for each other, so we're taking a step back.
	Does that make sense?
	Kind of.
	Kind of.
	It's a little complicated.
	Kind of.
	Okay, so you're single.
	Yeah.
	But.
	I'm kind of at a place right now because I'm pretty.
	You want to turn?
	Because I'm pretty new into the industry.
	I think when I do want to have a relationship, I'm going to want it to be pretty monogamous, just for my own, you know, whatever.
	So right now I'm going to stay single just so I don't ever complicate anything.
	Okay.
	I'm single, but, you know, I usually have an assortment of like romantic comets orbiting my planet.
	Oh, sorry, I was kind of far from the mic.
	But yeah, I usually have some assortment of like non-monogamous romantic comets orbiting my planet, if you will.
	Sure.
	Can you elaborate a bit on that?
	So how many?
	Oh, I mean, usually like a few happening at any time.
	How many currently, for example?
	Currently, I guess like one.
	Oh, just one.
	Yeah, there's just one in the past.
	There's been more.
	There's two.
	Oh, two right now.
	There's two right now, yeah.
	Are you forgetting one by chance or?
	No, no, there's two.
	Okay, two right now.
	What's the, I guess at any given point, what would you say is like the most amount of guys like that you've been kind of seeing at the same time?
	Well, right now I'm seeing like two girls.
	Oh, two girls.
	Yeah.
	Then let's change it to just how has there been more than two at some previous point in time?
	I think the most that I've like had going on is like there was one point in time that I had three girlfriends.
	So like full-on label and kind of like are you lesbian?
	Are you bi or bi?
	Okay, bi.
	Bi, yeah.
	Gotcha.
	So the most at the same time was three girls.
	Three committed girlfriends and then also like a couple other casual things floating around in my life.
	Okay, got it.
	What's the most amount of guys you've seen at one time?
	Maybe one.
	Oh, just one.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And what about for you?
	The most I've seen at once?
	Yeah.
	Like as if we're talking like just like dating, I've dated around.
	Like, I could see a couple guys at a time, maybe like two or three.
	But like, if it's like a situationship sort of thing, it's usually one.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And I'll have you guys come in with your answers too.
	I just want to add this little, I guess, addition to the question.
	What about you?
	What's the most amount of guys that you've been seeing at like, say in like a fortnight, 14-day, two-week period?
	Oh, okay.
	Maybe like three or four.
	Three or four?
	Yeah.
	Like hooking up with?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Kiara.
	Did I say right?
	Yeah.
	One.
	One?
	Okay.
	So you're single.
	Yeah.
	But what does that mean to you?
	Just like have like a main and then have like some side hoes.
	Oh shit.
	Okay.
	All right.
	College.
	My first.
	There you go.
	So currently you have a main and some side hoes.
	Some background characters.
	Some side hoes.
	Okay.
	And so how long have you been seeing the main?
	Probably like since six months.
	Six months.
	Okay.
	And then do you just not want more with him?
	Does he not want more?
	Is it both of you?
	Yeah, it's just like both of us.
	It's in college.
	So you said you got the main and then some background hoes.
	How many?
	How many?
	I like how you phrase that.
	How many background hoes do you have?
	I'm just going to say like maybe four.
	Wait, what are you doing over here?
	I was just counting on my hand trying to figure it out four.
	Oh, can you?
	Yeah, actually, can you rat on your friend?
	What is it?
	I don't know.
	I can't do that.
	I can't do that to her.
	So four.
	Yeah.
	Five.
	Wait.
	Friend?
	Sorry, what's your name again?
	I'm Jillian.
	Jillian.
	Yeah.
	Confirm or deny.
	No, yeah.
	Is it four?
	She's pretty spot on.
	I mean, she knows better than I know.
	So five guys total right now.
	Somewhat.
	That you're seeing.
	Yeah.
	And like hooking up with.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And do they all know?
	They don't know?
	Like, that I'm seeing other people?
	Yeah.
	Some don't know.
	What does the main guy know?
	I think he does.
	He's kind of dumb.
	Okay, so is that your type?
	Dumb?
	I mean, yeah.
	Dumb is good sometimes.
	You know, it's simple.
	It's simple.
	Okay.
	It's stupid.
	So none of them know, though.
	No, not really.
	Do any of them think that they that you're just there?
	Like it's just you?
	Yeah.
	They think that.
	Yes.
	You're friends with her too.
	Confirm or deny all this?
	I would say player, player, okay.
	I love it because like I get to live through their stories of whatever happens in the college days.
	Because you have a boyfriend, correct?
	You said, are you freshmen and yes.
	Okay.
	So this is like an old high school relationship that's extended into college.
	Okay.
	So what's you said right now there's one main guy, four side guys.
	Has there been more side guys at any point?
	There's like a couple like one-time things, but just like it's not like set.
	He's not like always there.
	So like, you know, seven?
	Has it been up to seven, you think?
	So, okay, you have one main guy and then four side dudes.
	How often are you seeing the side dudes?
	Like once or twice a month, maybe?
	Probably.
	And then, are there any guys that come in, but it's just like a one-time thing, too?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Like, I'll stop halfway.
	Stop.
	Wait.
	Yeah.
	Halfway?
	What do you mean?
	I was like hooking up this guy, and then my friend knocked on the door, and halfway I was just not feeling it.
	So I was like, oh, that's my boyfriend at the door.
	And he jumped out my bedroom window, broke the blinds, broke the blinds and the screen and everything.
	And it wasn't.
	Haram!
	It wasn't a potential.
	Can you lower that a little bit?
	It was just one of my guy friends.
	Do you feel worried that any of these guys who don't know that you're seeing other people are going to see you?
	Yeah, into Mike, into Mike.
	Are you worried that any of these guys that you're seeing who don't know that you're seeing other people are going to see you on this podcast with a very wide viewership?
	I think I'm pretty sure some of them are watching.
	Hey, she's a legend.
	She's a legend.
	Well, I certainly appreciate your forthcomingness and honesty.
	So how often would you say you have like a new guy coming into rotation or a new guy just coming in?
	It's just one-time hookup.
	Do you go out to party in IV?
	Yeah.
	So how often is there a new guy coming into the rotation?
	I don't know, like every month, every two months.
	Okay.
	It like depends.
	Into the rotation, and then how often would you say there's like just a one-time new hookup every weekend?
	Like do you party?
	Do you party?
	Probably.
	Do you party every weekend?
	Yeah.
	How often do you go out?
	Thursday, Friday, Saturday?
	Yeah.
	Any Sundays in there?
	Sunday, usually.
	Throw on the Wednesday occasionally.
	Wednesday, no, I'm like asleep in bed.
	Okay, so Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
	Sunday.
	Yeah.
	And you party every week.
	Okay, every week.
	And would you, how, if we break it down per week, how many new, like just new guys that you hook up with just once, like every night?
	Because you're an attractive girl, so I assume it's you can do it.
	I don't know, just like whenever I feel like it.
	If you had to average it out, would you say it's like two new guys a week?
	Like one.
	One new guy a week?
	Okay, got it.
	Got it.
	So much.
	Two or two.
	Sometimes one, sometimes two.
	Sometimes two.
	If you're really drunk.
	If you're really drunk.
	Okay.
	And you go, you said you party out here in Isla Vista.
	Do you ever go to clubs?
	You have a fake ID.
	Yeah.
	Okay, you got a fake.
	So, okay, you club too.
	Do you guys club with her?
	Oh, all the time.
	Into the microphone.
	You're always with her.
	Oh, you guys are with her?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so you guys witness the debauchery.
	Firsthand.
	Okay, good times.
	And you're living vicariously through her.
	Exactly.
	Are you ever, because you've been in a relationship for how long?
	For a year, yeah.
	Okay.
	Seeing her having the fun that she's having, are you ever jealous or second-guessing being in your relationship?
	Speak a little louder, just using yourself spoken.
	I'm not jealous.
	I think it's kind of natural to be like, oh, that looks like so much fun because I can't have that.
	But I mean, at the end of the day, the person that I'm with, I wouldn't want to be with someone else.
	A random person.
	Do you ever wish that, you know, because I mean, it's your first year of college.
	Do you ever wish that you weren't in a relationship right now and you could kind of live your, what is it, hot girl winter?
	I don't know what it's right now, I guess.
	I'm saying no because I mean, growing up in San Diego or just California in general, you party when you start partying when you're like 14, 15.
	Right.
	So I really don't feel like I'm missing out on very much.
	Okay, got it.
	And just reminder, you're, did you say you're 18 or 19?
	I'm 18.
	18, gotcha.
	Okay.
	Kind of curious on this one.
	So have you ever just had like a really crazy weekend where it was like three dudes in 48 hours kind of situation, three dudes in 24?
	Like last summer, like right before college, yeah.
	What was the most in like say a 72-hour period?
	Um, like five.
	Like five?
	No, like exactly.
	Exactly five.
	Yeah.
	How much in a 48-hour period?
	Also five?
	No, probably like three.
	Okay, so okay, 72.
	How much in a week?
	Like now, like one.
	No, two.
	No, no, no, no.
	Just like the most in a seven-day period.
	Oh.
	Probably five also.
	Okay, five.
	So that was a good weekend then.
	The 72 hour was a good, was it an event or just like a regular weekend in Nile Vista?
	Yeah, just a regular weekend.
	Okay, you're in a relationship.
	Let's come to you over here.
	You're single.
	You're friends with her.
	Are you guys kind of crazy as she is?
	A little closer to the mind.
	I'm not, yeah, not as crazy as she is.
	Not as interesting.
	It's a bit complicated right now.
	I would say I'm just very confused with this one guy.
	So I'm just kind of going with the flow, you know, letting it, letting whatever happens, happens.
	And you're just seeing him or kind of a couple things here and there?
	I don't really know.
	Well, okay, because every weekend at the end of the night, we always end up with each other, like always.
	But like he tells me like he doesn't want a relationship, but then also saying like, I hate seeing you with other guys.
	And like he tells me how much he likes me and all this shit.
	And then goes and I see him like dancing with another girl or like flirting with another girl.
	And it's just like, I'm just insanely confused.
	So then I go and flirt with another guy or whatever, do my thing, and then all his friends are like, stop flirting with other guys.
	I'm like, what do you want me to do?
	How long have you been seeing this guy?
	Well, we first started hooking up at like in like December.
	Yeah, December.
	Okay.
	And then it's been like pretty, I guess, consistent.
	Two to three months.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And do you want something more with him?
	i've thought about it um it'd be she like knows him from like high school but um Who?
	Both of you?
	I do.
	Oh, into the mic.
	I grew up with this man, but as much as I love him, I think that she needs to change mine a little bit.
	You don't like him.
	You don't approve.
	I like him, just not for her.
	Why is that?
	Because I think he has the mindset that he needs to go out and go all crazy, which is fine in college, except I feel like she's kind of in the back of her mind not thinking the same thing.
	Yeah, I mean, I keep reminding myself, like, oh, it's just college, like, fuck around, why not?
	It's fun and stuff.
	But then I just, I get attached very easily, and like, feelings get brought up very quickly for me and like easily.
	So, I don't know, something like happened like a month or two ago, and he like said he wanted to be like exclusive or whatever.
	And then, like, literally two weeks, a week, two weeks later, we were at the same party, and I saw him making out with another girl.
	And so that was just really fucking confusing.
	And then we like didn't talk for like two weeks.
	And then it just started again because I just, my self-control is not very great.
	Wait, so you said that he asked you for commitment, correct?
	Or he brought up the commitment?
	He brought it up.
	It was his.
	And what did you say?
	Did you say yes?
	Well, yeah, I said yeah.
	Okay.
	I do like him.
	Like, there are feelings there, I think.
	But, which he says every weekend he tells me how much he likes me.
	And then.
	Is he sleeping with other women?
	No, he's not actually having like sex with anybody else.
	Besides you?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But he's like making out with chicks at college parties.
	Okay, so I don't know any other girls he's made out with.
	Besides that one that you said you saw him do it?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So I was fully out of the party.
	So that was that was awesome.
	That was a great day.
	Good times, yeah.
	Always fun.
	Okay.
	So, and have you been seeing any other guys while you've been talking to him?
	I haven't like gotten with anybody else.
	I've like made out with a couple people at different parts, like at parties or something like that.
	But no, I'm not like seeing anybody else or anything.
	And Allie, we know that you're currently married.
	And you're seven months pregnant, right?
	Yep.
	Seven months pregnant.
	Okay.
	By the way, guys, I do want to announce it here on the whatever podcast.
	Me and Allie.
	Oh, shit.
	Flan Life with the 50 gifted memberships.
	Wait, what was that?
	Does that trigger the air horn?
	Hold on, let me look.
	Sorry, I forgot my own triggers there.
	I think that does trigger a fit check, though, so we'll do that here momentarily.
	Dude, thank you so much, Andrew.
	Really appreciate your continued patronage of the show.
	By the way, guys, see all the TTS triggers and read and answer triggers in the description below.
	If you donate through Streamlabs, YouTube doesn't take their cut.
	So if you read in the description, that'll be it.
	Anyways, I was saying, you know, Allie, she's close.
	She's close.
	Oh, wait, you had a little an incident today.
	Oh, yeah.
	I had to go to the ER to see if I was on labor because it's the responsible thing to do.
	I hate doctors, but no, I wasn't in labor, so that was cool.
	She almost went into, actually, she almost went into labor on our previous show.
	Perhaps it happens tonight.
	That would be a pretty viral moment.
	But aside from that, me and Allie, we've actually come to a deal, an agreement.
	We are going to actually be, she's coming back on the show around like the, you know, they give you a date, right?
	When you're expected to, they give you a date.
	Yeah, but babies come when they come, and the first one comes later, usually.
	Okay.
	Well, in any case, we've secured the exclusive streaming rights to—I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
	To the birth.
	So I'm kidding.
	But so.
	Oh, Flan Life.
	Yes.
	Let's do the fit check.
	If everyone can do a little stand up, we'll do a little fit check, guys.
	We do it one at a time, probably.
	All of us at the same time.
	And Flan Life, I'm going to stand up too, you know, so we get a little fit.
	All right, well.
	All right.
	If we can do maybe like, I think a little spin, if we can get everyone to do little spins, you know?
	I have a marketing.
	Look at the shoes.
	Everyone have a chance to do a little spin?
	A little spinaroo?
	Wait, did we see Allie?
	Did we, did we?
	You want to see the sacred cows?
	Yeah, let's see the sacred cow.
	There you go.
	Oh, nice.
	All right.
	And Allie actually also agreed to name her daughter Brianna.
	Yes.
	You know, legally binding.
	I think that's a legally binding contract.
	I think so.
	No, I'm kidding.
	It can be.
	I'm kidding.
	Actually, how much does someone have to?
	No, I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding, kidding.
	Okay, let's move along.
	So, you know, you're married.
	You've heard kind of some of the girls.
	Any thoughts?
	I mean, yeah, I have a lot of thoughts, but it's like, you know, how much do women often care when I speak?
	So if you see me like writing stuff down, it's because I come on these podcasts a lot and then women will tell me one thing and then I'll like ask them a question or I'll make a point about something that they said.
	And then they'll be like, I never said that.
	And so I was like, forget this.
	I'm just going to bring a notebook.
	But it's mostly also to get to know you guys and commit some things to memory.
	That way I can be functional in the conversation.
	But my thoughts are, do any of you want to get married?
	You do?
	Yeah.
	You do?
	I don't think I do.
	Yeah, you might not.
	You want to get married?
	Yeah.
	I mean, so like, I don't know if you guys are aware of the statistics of modern dating, right?
	So these are the projections per JP Morgan, like the bank.
	They are projecting that by 2030, 45% of women from the ages of 25 to 44 are going to be single.
	And then right now, in the UK, 50.1% of women are childless by age 30.
	So I just think that it's going to be hard for a lot of us out here to get married these days.
	And I think on top of that, if you're not married by age 30 as a woman, it's really unlikely that you would get married.
	And I do understand that there are, they're called like the promiscuous 10%.
	So basically, there's people at socio-sexual extremes that just like to smash and pass, wham, bam, thank you, ma'am.
	And they're good and they're content and they're happy.
	But the majority of women, the majority of people are not that way.
	And more specifically, the majority of women are long-term mating strategists, which means I would say that probably most of you, the men that you choose to sleep with outside of like work, the men that you choose to sleep with, you would probably be more open to dating them, right?
	So I just find a lot of our methods these days that women are using to secure men that they want and are attracted to, they really fall flat.
	Like they don't really work is what I'm seeing.
	So and it's just like hard stuff to dig through.
	But those are my thoughts so far.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Yeah.
	Why do you think that if a woman isn't married by the time she's 30, that it's unlikely that she will?
	No, it's not that I think that.
	Like that's what the statistics show.
	That's what the statistics show.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I mean, you can be an exception to the rule, right?
	That it just requires being able to move around the norm.
	That's kind of how that goes.
	Because to be frank, like most men are sexless.
	And well, most men aren't in relationships either.
	So if you guys wanted to, you probably could get married tomorrow to like just some guy.
	But it's like, are you going to be attracted to him?
	That's a different question.
	Because I have a YouTube channel where I try to help women to get married and stay married.
	And honestly, like, I think it's a huge issue to where women often compromise on having an attractive man for having a stable man because he's a good boy, he follows the rules, he pays the bills.
	But then I get a lot of DMs about infidelity and marriage too.
	Infidelity is pretty rampant in marriage.
	So that's why I try to promote to women to try to use their, I guess, like your looks, like while you're still hot and sexy to try to get like that top guy that's going to do right by you.
	Was that an audible sip?
	Okay.
	I'm sorry, Brian.
	I would have timed it different.
	My bad.
	Oh, no worries, no worries, no worries.
	By the way, Andrew, thank you for the 20 gifted.
	So, and remind me what your name is again.
	Raisha.
	Raisha.
	Allie, I mean, you kind of heard kind of something, like, do you have any thoughts on her situation?
	I mean, it's hard to tell, right?
	Because it's like, you want to get married, but then there's problems with that, right?
	Like, with habits.
	So, are you guys like familiar with pair bonding at all?
	You guys, you are?
	Are you?
	No?
	So, like I said, there's like the promiscuous 10%, just people like to smash and pass.
	But you said that you want to get married one day.
	But in order to, I guess, get married and stay married, the two things that I've seen is to not stress each other out in arguments, meaning you raise blood pressure, you raise heart rate, what else?
	I mean, just like basically pissing each other off.
	So if you aren't doing that, that's good to stay married.
	And then on top of that, having regular sex.
	But like if you stimulate habits that are only helpful for what is it, instant gratification when it comes to sex, it's going to be hard when you have that one single guy to create a positive feedback loop of oxytocin and vasopressin.
	I'll explain that in a second, but you said that you get attached really quick, right?
	Yeah, like that's normal.
	Unfortunately.
	No, Like that's completely normal as a woman.
	So we release a lot of oxytocin, and that's a love hormone when we have sex with men.
	We also do this after we give birth to.
	It's really cute.
	And then men release a lot more vasopressin.
	So it's like if you're constantly engaging in short-term, I guess like, well, I can say sex here.
	Just unicorn things donated $100.
	Can you push the audio?
	Your eyes are dreamy and I want to drown in them.
	With that, boys, sexy AF.
	I could listen to you talk all night long.
	Even muted, you sound great.
	You should do audiobooks.
	Any topic we'll do, you'd make a killing.
	Yo, unicorn, thank you for the big $100 soup chat and thank you for the flattery and the endorsement.
	Much appreciated.
	Thank you, man.
	Continue, Allie.
	Yeah, no, it just makes it harder to stay faithful, you know?
	And I think like one of the reasons why I think I'm married today and how I'm very confident to come out and talk about my marriage, because if I thought my marriage was going to like end overnight, I'd be really embarrassed talking about it online.
	But like my husband is the best sex I've ever had in my life, you know?
	And so it's like I get to have that whenever I want at a moment's notice.
	But if I had kind of been around the block more, then I might have already had the best sex of my life.
	And that's like a heavy thing for a woman to carry psychologically if you're in a relationship with a man and you're like, well, that guy hit it better.
	You know what I mean?
	So it's like, but the more men that you sleep with, the more likely that is to occur.
	Whereas if you just kind of take the more monogamous route of kind of like what you're doing right now in college, then you have more of an opportunity to be sexually impressed by a man.
	You know what I mean?
	So it's just like getting into more positive habits that support monogamy.
	Because the college life ends one day.
	It sounds weird.
	Like you're in college, you think this is like your world, and then you forget that there's a whole other, you know, globe country planet out there.
	So to prepare ourselves for that once we graduate too.
	Anybody have a response?
	I don't know.
	I feel like now it's like it's like so normalized now.
	Like if you're like not hooking up with someone, then what are you doing?
	Like that's just what I don't know.
	I just would, I feel like everybody in college is like now thinking.
	You're like, huram!
	Whoa, what?
	Eric, is it just me or does it seem a little louder than normal?
	But I think it's weird when the TTS comes through, it's not so great.
	Would you like to elaborate a bit on that?
	So you said that it's just so normal in college.
	Such a stigma around it, I guess.
	Like especially like your first year of college or like being young in college or just being young at all.
	It's like.
	Stigma to not hook up?
	No, too, like, wait.
	I don't know if I said it right, but, like, I don't know.
	I just feel like if you're not in the streets, what's wrong with you?
	Kinda, yeah.
	I just feel like it's so normalized right now to like be hooking up with whoever you want, like whenever you want, every weekend, every time you go out.
	It's like get with someone.
	And that's just like, I just feel like that's how it is right now.
	Which is like, I don't know.
	I don't know how to feel about that.
	Yeah, well, so just so you guys know, like y'all are all like, if you're sexually active in college, like you're probably sleeping with the same dudes.
	So like there's just something really interesting.
	There's this guy, Robert Henderson.
	You should check out like he has a platform too.
	So when you're on a college campus and there are more single women than there are single men, men have to play women's games, which means that they have to commit to us.
	But when there are to compete for a smaller pool of men, so like let's say that there's more men on campus and they're wait, I'm getting this wrong.
	I think you just got the words a little mixed.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So, okay, how can I put this?
	If there's more women on campus.
	If there's more women on campus, we have to compete for a small pool of men, right?
	So we have to play their game, which is sexuality.
	But if there's more men, and also in college, more women are going to college too.
	So it's typically a sexuality game.
	Okay, so if there's less men, women have to compete for the men.
	And then if there are, if there's more.
	I don't see you getting stumped very often.
	No, no, no.
	I'm trying to think about it.
	So I guess if there's more men, then they have to compete for a smaller pool of women.
	And then they have to commit to us more.
	Does that make sense?
	Frankie.
	Yeah, thank you, Frankie.
	Jill, society lied to you.
	You got to like, realize that, like, this dude you like is like using you like.
	For your poo nanny and like, you got to like, learn how to like, be more picky-like with like.
	The dudes you date and like stuff.
	Like, Yo, Frankie, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Do you have a response really quick to Frankie?
	Jill?
	No, I think.
	Oh, that was it.
	Saved by Dayvon.
	Oh, shit.
	It got blocked out.
	Maybe it came in too quick.
	Eric, can you just pull up Day Vaughn's and I'll just read it?
	Yeah, you can.
	Wait.
	Is it not the frick?
	Is it not coming up?
	Try to pull up.
	Have you been able to pull up the other ones?
	Try to pull something else up.
	What the frick?
	I'm just doing too much stuff on the screen right now.
	Oh, wait.
	You know what it might be?
	Hold on.
	That's strange.
	Hold up.
	Let me see if I can fix this.
	Well, you guys continue while I.
	Yeah, is what I'm saying making sense?
	How, like, if there are more men than we, then they have to compete for the smaller pool of women, right?
	Whereas like if it's the inverse, then we have to compete for a small pool of men.
	Like, that's what's going on, because women outnumber men two to one on college campuses right now.
	So like legit, like y'all are like smashing the same dudes, which is why you're like, oh, like he said he wanted commitment, but then I caught him making out with someone.
	They have like too much access, and testosterone is nuts.
	We have 117th to 175th the amount of testosterone as men, and testosterone is the chemical that's the hormone that's responsible for like, I want to have sex and I want to have it now.
	So it's just like, it's tough to get a boyfriend in college to commit to you.
	And the guys that do have girlfriends in college, like I'm not going to lie, they're usually hotter than their girlfriends from what I could tell.
	The guys that have girlfriends in college you think are hotter than their girlfriends?
	Yeah.
	The more you hook up, the less you pay a bond with your male counterparts.
	To normalize hooking up and being on of is going to ruin your future potential with any high caliber men that respect you.
	You should just cash out of the casino now before you grab out.
	Yo, cheeks, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Let's get Dayvon's while we're here.
	If you can pull that one up.
	Actually, hide it just because it's looked up.
	Okay, you can pull it up.
	This is Dayvon Jackson here.
	Dude, thank you for the $100 TTS, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Sorry it didn't come through as a TTS.
	I'll just read it now.
	Shocking fact, if men don't have to commit to you to F you, they won't.
	Do you guys have an answer?
	I believe, I don't know who this is directed to specifically, but do you have a response to Mr. Dayvon Jackson?
	That's such a sad thing to say.
	You know, and I think it's very like, I think it is extremely demoralizing to men to suggest that they can't make their own decisions about who they like and see in a way that's clear, even if they're having sex.
	I feel like the guys that I spend time around are clear-headed enough that they date who they want to date, even if they're fucking multiple people.
	And especially in scenarios where that is consensual with all parties involved.
	Yeah, I mean, I think with on one hand, he is right, but not fully in the sense that there are men that would commit to you even if you hook up with them quickly.
	I mean, if you're going to view it in that context, then how would you account for like people who are non-monogamous but still choose to be committed in a long-term sense to one partner?
	Well, I mean, I think he's probably speaking more so in general with more regular relationships, people who are you talking about like ethical non-monogamy?
	Sure, yes, or non-monogamy.
	I mean, I would say, you know, most people are monogamous.
	So, I mean, sure, and I don't know how many people are polygamous or ENM or whatever you want to call it, but I think he's probably talking about standard, more standard relationships.
	But yeah.
	Yeah.
	You got cut.
	Andrew, by the way, I forgot if I mentioned thank you for the 20 gifted.
	Did you, were you cut off?
	Did you?
	Oh, I mean, I mean, it's true.
	Like, we lowered the price of sex.
	Like, we did that collectively as women.
	If we all woke up tomorrow and required men to marry us for the cookie, like they would, you know what I mean?
	But it's one of the $97.23.
	Yeah, thank you, Cheeks.
	Your fathers know you guys, Def.
	If they are non-existent, it is no wonder you guys lack your own self-dignity to show off your bodies for these simps to give you money.
	Oh, you guys will spicy 10 years and wonder why you guys cannot be like Callie.
	He's shooting shots.
	You guys have a response.
	You know, I have a great relationship with my dad.
	He knows what I do for a living.
	He's been very consistently involved in my life my entire life.
	He is a professional with a great job.
	He's always been a really good role model to me, and he's been married to my mom for 40 years.
	Yeah, mine's very similar.
	My parents have been married for 30 years.
	They know what I do.
	Dad's cool as fuck.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Me and my dad aren't very close.
	He just wasn't around much, but we still chat maybe like once a month, and he knows what I do and supportive.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Go for it, Allie, if you.
	Oh, I mean, I. Wherever you got cut off.
	No, no, no.
	I just got cut off on the on that.
	I just really think that the sexual revolution was kind of an L for women.
	We're still kind of reeling from it.
	You know, hormonal birth control came out in the 1950s.
	So I think it's just had a lot of unintended consequences that we don't think about, right?
	So it's like you want it to be like it's a privilege for a man to sleep with you versus just having it kind of be something that you're experimenting with in order to get a boyfriend to hopefully turn into a husband to turn into a father.
	There's more effective ways to date.
	But like, I'm not going to lie, you know, it comes down to genuine desire.
	Like if he's feeling you, he's feeling you.
	So if you, if he's feeling you and you sleep with him, he's going to stick around.
	If he's not feeling you, then he won't, right?
	And then if he's feeling you and you decide to wait to sleep with him, he's going to stick around.
	But I don't think women are able to tell when a man really desires them and wants them.
	We kind of might assume it or contort it in our minds.
	And I think that that really complicates things because men are pretty straightforward.
	So for me, I don't know what homeboy's doing over there, but I would lie to if I was in college and getting all the cookies.
	So when you're like saying stuff like thinking that the sexual revolution is an L for women, and this is not me like making a judgment on whether it was or not, like what are you thinking of as like desired endpoints?
	What would need to happen for you to say, okay, this cultural movement was a win for women?
	I don't think that it was a win for women.
	I don't think it was a win for men either.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	That's not what I'm asking.
	I'm saying, yeah, what is something, like, what is the desired outcome for you?
	Like, that's determining how you're judging this.
	I get you.
	So I guess like what would be optimal when it comes to the sexual revolution and it being a dub was really, it would have to be that married couples are not forced to have multiple children because of the lack of access to birth control.
	But that's not really what's going on right now.
	Like that would be different.
	Yeah, because it like, you know, I don't understand.
	I don't get.
	Okay, okay.
	No, no, no.
	I can explain it, right?
	So it's like before hormonal birth control, right?
	Like women who wanted to have sex with their husbands, they tended to get pregnant a lot.
	And that was really challenging for people to sustain.
	So in order for the sexual revolution to be a dub, it would be optimal, in my opinion, that married couples have more autonomy over the amount of children that they produce.
	Outside of that, I don't think it was the best thing.
	There's also like really negative impacts to hormonal birth control.
	Because when I think about the sexual revolution, we could get into the ideological, progressive, feminist spin of it.
	But I mostly kind of just focus on the pill because the pill changed everything.
	And it changes the way that we choose men.
	I don't know if you guys know that.
	Birth control changes the way that you smell men.
	Oh, cool.
	Yeah.
	Like smell their pheromones?
	That's one aspect of it.
	It's a major histocompatibility complex.
	Okay, okay.
	Which means...
	Isn't it that if women are in birth control, they prefer more feminine men?
	That's what I've heard.
	So that's one way to look at it.
	The thing is, you'll choose somebody that's more genetically similar to you or more biologically similar to you.
	So it can be a more feminine man.
	Like, if I wasn't pregnant, I would be trying, and I wasn't, if I wasn't pregnant and I wasn't on hormonal birth control, I would be trying to bang like the most probably attractive, genetically attractive man out there, right?
	But now that I am pregnant, if I am going to have sex with a man, then it would be more so about mate retention because I'm looking for protection because I'm pregnant.
	It's like a different goal, right?
	We're wanting to have this more specific man impregnate us and this other kind of man to like protect us in pregnancy.
	Optimally, it would be both men.
	But that's like one problem with birth control.
	There's women that have been on birth control in a relationship.
	They got off of it.
	They're like, I don't really like this guy anymore.
	It's happened on multiple occasions.
	You can totally look it up.
	Plus, it's also considered a carcinogen.
	So that would be the dub, is that married couples got more autonomy over having children?
	And women at the socio-sexual extremes just had more autonomy over having children as well.
	I definitely agree with you that reproductive agency is important.
	I think that more what I'm asking is like, what is your desired cultural outcome like of your opinions on dating?
	Is it women not being ran through?
	I mean, ideally, that would be nice because if the majority of women are getting ran through and the majority of women are long-term mating strategists, then they're unsuccessful with dating.
	I don't want that.
	I don't want women to be used.
	And the fact that we are being used, it's by a small pool of men in the first place.
	We don't even notice most guys out there.
	I mean, I could talk about that as well.
	But like I said, most dudes are sexless.
	And it's like to the point because everyone thinks about, you guys know about incels?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, everybody thinks about incels and there's this assumption that they all want a girlfriend or they all want to have sex.
	Like no, like some of them are just literally just walking away from the game completely.
	They don't even want a relationship.
	They don't even want to sleep with women.
	So, I think I just want people to have reciprocity in relationships in the long term.
	Because things change when you age as a woman, too.
	The word insult means that they're involuntarily celibate.
	So, that's what the word actually means.
	It means that they don't want to be celibate.
	So, they're not walking away.
	So, structurally the word means that they do want to be having sex.
	Well, we're arguing semantics about sexless men.
	I could call them sexless men instead.
	So, I would say, like, the majority of sexless men are not even interested in dating or women right now.
	I don't know if that's the case.
	I would say if the case is for me, missing last showby.
	Modern women have it backwards.
	The most meaningful sex for women to have is with a man you love, not a man that you just met a few days or weeks ago.
	That's how you get big body counts.
	It's meaningless sex.
	Hey, Bryce, thank you for the $90 TTS there.
	Much appreciated.
	Does anyone have a reaction to Bryce's TTS?
	I have a very big body count, and I'm very happy.
	And I'm in stable romantic arrangements.
	What's the body count?
	Probably like 300-something.
	300-something.
	Okay.
	And you said, okay, 300.
	Yeah, what about you guys?
	Mine's at like 50.
	50?
	Okay.
	I'm also at 50.
	50?
	Kiko, body count?
	Men and women are.
	Let's separate them.
	What are the two?
	Men, I'm pretty sure I'm at five.
	Or sorry, men at seven, women at five.
	Stop the cap.
	It's not what you said last time.
	Because you know what's crazy?
	It actually is what I said last time.
	Oh, you lied last time.
	And I lied in not favor for me.
	So I said a number because I was like, I'm pretty sure it's around.
	Just scoot into the tip.
	Wait, what did you say last time?
	12.
	Oh, Jesus, Kiku.
	12.
	What did I do?
	Hold on.
	That's a total of five and seven, though, right?
	Yes.
	Did five and seven come up?
	Yes, but I've slept with one more person or two.
	I've slept with two more people since then.
	I said 12 because I was pretty sure it was around 12 like the last time I counted, but it was actually at 10.
	So I literally, I guess, made myself sound a little worse than it was.
	Stop the cap.
	All right, so 12, you said, okay.
	Total.
	Okay, so 12, 50, 50, 300.
	20.
	20.
	We're going to say.
	Six.
	Okay.
	Eight.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Hell no, Brian.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	How did we get to the body count thing?
	You said that you were.
	Oh, you asked.
	Okay.
	Oh, no, the viewer.
	So you wanted to come in before that TTS came through.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I just think it's interesting that this is all coming from a standpoint that most men are not having sex, right?
	Yep.
	And these are typically the men that are demonizing the women that are having sex.
	Do you think if the role was reversed, if men could have sex with anybody that they wanted, that it would be as much of an issue as it is when they see women obviously having sex with whoever they feel like?
	I think that there is a level of resentment that some men do have when they don't have access to women to where they're upset that we have so much access to men.
	Like if I wanted to have a new guy every night, I could.
	But like sexlessness is also impacting women.
	It's just a little bit different.
	So sexlessness right now, my generation, millennials and Gen Z, we're considered the most sexless generation at this point in time.
	Right?
	But they correlate it to the emergence of smartphones.
	So it's happening to both of us.
	It's just happening to men more.
	Whereas men can't get sex.
	I think women can't get relationships from the guys that they like.
	It's my opinion, so this is not a fact.
	It's my opinion that if women are like, I can't get that guy, then like I'm just not going to sleep with anybody because they'd rather have him than not.
	Does that make sense?
	So I think that's where female sexlessness comes in, is that we are the choosier sex too.
	Like you ever heard the joke from men that nobody's ugly after 2 a.m.?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, they mean that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so we just talked about body count.
	Let's touch on body count a little quick, real quick.
	So should body count matter?
	Just yes or no?
	And let's start with Kiko.
	Should body count matter?
	Yes.
	I think it plays a factor in the sense of people, like, if you have a high body count, you should probably stick with people around your body count.
	So like, you know, people who are sticking around three bodies should find another mate around that part, and somebody who has more should probably find somebody who has more bodies.
	Because personally, yeah, I don't see it usually working out with somebody who has a very low body count.
	For you.
	No, not even, not even me personally, no.
	But like from my friends and situations I've seen when it tries to be like one person is more promiscuous and has a higher body count and their partner doesn't, usually I see problems happening.
	But if they're both on the same even playing field, then I don't see it usually being an issue.
	I mean, I think men certainly prefer women with low body counts.
	Yes, but from what I've seen, it's not men prefer women with low body counts.
	It's men prefer women with body counts lower than their own.
	They're sort of the same in a sense.
	No, they're not, because yeah, a low body count would be, you know, a retrospect, you wouldn't consider maybe 20 a low body count, right?
	But to a man who's had 200 bodies, that would be considered a low body count.
	But to a man who's only had 10 partners, 20 would seem insane.
	That's fair.
	That's fair.
	Should body count matter?
	No, I don't think it matters.
	I've never really had a guy ask me, like, what's your body count?
	And, like, be like, ugh, from it.
	So.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I mean, I think in my line of work, I wouldn't really entertain anyone that would be opposed to it.
	So for me, personally, no.
	But if somebody cares, then date someone who's within the bracket that you want.
	Yeah, I personally don't think it matters.
	Nobody has ever asked me that, either, you know, before or after I've been in this line of work.
	But I do think it informs something about the person.
	Like, I think if I know how many people somebody has slept with, then I can learn something about them, but that doesn't make it negative.
	I also think, like, no, too.
	Like, it doesn't matter.
	Yeah, I say no as well.
	And I agree with what Kiko said about how, like, I think you should kind of stick with the same number area, just because I've definitely been in a position where mine was not close to someone else's, and I kind of felt like another tech.
	But if I was closer, then I'd be like, oh, okay, I was doing the same thing.
	Oh, you the guy had a high body count and you just felt like another, just another chick.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you so you think body count does matter then?
	Insofar that it should be, you should try to match up with someone that's close to you.
	Yeah, I think you guys should just like have to relate.
	But if, yeah, if it's like someone is high and then someone else is close to that, I think that like holy shit.
	Yo, Zentians, thank you, man.
	Men who are walking away aren't just in cells.
	Not arguing semantics.
	Those men are the men who support your infrastructure.
	Your narrow-minded slash short-sightedness is maddening.
	Men leaving the dating market will yield nothing but lonely.
	Women who have nothing but a font of putrescence between their legs.
	A font of putrescence between their legs.
	What is putrescence?
	I've not heard that word before.
	Did you comment this from 1950?
	Yeah, I think Zentience is actually a time traveler.
	Yo, Zentience, thank you for that big $300 super chat, man.
	Appreciate it.
	That was big, man.
	Thank you for the continued support show after the show.
	Yeah, he's a time traveler.
	He jumps around.
	He's also a brain surgeon, actually.
	In astronomy.
	Yeah, so he's wealthy.
	In addition to being a time traveler, he's quite wealthy.
	Yeah, not only is he traveling time, but he has enough money to throw $300 on a stream.
	Yeah.
	Chad, okay.
	So I think you were finishing up your point, correct?
	Yeah, not that the number matters, just that I think you should not, you don't have to be, but I think personally I would be more comfortable being in the same area as someone else.
	Number one.
	What about you?
	I don't think it really matters.
	I feel like it depends on.
	Yo, Martin, thank you, man.
	It's the height of narcissism and delusion to believe that you can defeat or disavow biology.
	Biology always wins.
	To attempt to rewrite the rules is a wasted life.
	Pfizer, American Psychiatric Association and local wineries, thank you for your ongoing and future patronage.
	Okay, Martin shooting shots.
	Do you guys have a response to Martin?
	That didn't really make any sense.
	No, and I think it's insane that these guys that are throwing hundreds of dollars on a stream about having sex with women.
	Like, what the fuck are you?
	Why are you spending your time spending hundreds of dollars telling us that we're whores?
	Like, why not go out and sleep with a woman and bag a wife if that's your whole goal?
	No, they can't.
	Whoa, I will not stand.
	I will not stand.
	All these gentlemen in the chat, they're all Chads.
	They're brain surgeons.
	They're astronauts.
	They're architects.
	Mike Davis, I've seen him in the chat.
	That motherfucker's got like 100 Burger King restaurants.
	He's a proprietor.
	And he's smashed.
	Trust me, this guy, Mike Davis, you're going to see him later.
	He's been dropping 50s.
	If any of these guys are brain surgeons, then they should just subscribe to the tier that you can send in a video and send in a video of your medical license.
	Otherwise, I don't believe you.
	Trust me.
	Zentience is a brain surgeon and a rocket scientist, too.
	Yeah, like a lot of people.
	He switched careers.
	Right.
	So some of those guys are like just well established and they watch for entertainment.
	But it's not necessarily completely their fault that they can't find a wife, I wouldn't say.
	I think it's just hard for everyone.
	And I think it's extraordinarily hard to find, I would say, like a good wife today.
	I think it's easier to find a good husband than to find a good wife.
	I did not say hot husband though.
	Like that's a tougher thing to do.
	Why do you think it's easier to find a good husband than it is to find a good wife?
	Well, because the majority of men, like, they're not really having access to women.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, that's what I mean.
	How does that equate to being a good wife if you have access to men and women?
	All right, so how about this?
	Like, let me ask you this question.
	What makes a good husband to you?
	That's what I was going to ask you.
	Well, I'm asking when I get married, I would expect Jackson super chatted $100.
	Kiko skins.
	men throwing literally thousands of dollars a month at you to get enough that they can get for free i'm sending money to see the looks on your faces when confronted with the weight of your life's decisions wow Holy.
	Wow.
	I feel like guys will send stuff like this thinking that they're gonna like own me and like get me, but I mean I'm very happy with all the decisions that I've made.
	So there's not really anything that you could say that can make me be like, oh my god, I fucked up.
	Speedy the unsilent super chatted $100, 300 bodies.
	No high-value man will wife a woman with that level of mileage.
	I don't really care.
	Like I'm very happy with my life right now.
	I have wonderful, stable, romantic situations with people who make me feel fulfilled.
	And I don't need to meet a man who identifies as a high-value man because I think that that is silly.
	Well, in response to Dayvon Jackson's, or well, somewhat related to your response to Dayvon.
	Oh.
	Danny Nick donated $90.
	Thank you, Bryce.
	Yeah, actually, I have not revealed this, but all these guys that send TTS and donations, I actually got an OnlyFans.
	Huh?
	Yeah, they're subscribed.
	All these guys are my OF.
	We kind of did the same thing.
	Talking about fee pics, huh?
	Actually, yo, onlyfans.com slash whatever.
	Go check it out.
	Go sub.
	I actually have it, boys.
	There's some photos of Kiki, but it's sparse.
	Okay.
	That's where you keep your tendency.
	No, not Kiko.
	Although, Kiko, if you want, we could do a split.
	Just saying.
	I'm kidding.
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	You know, they're patrons of the show and they want to support the show.
	I'm very sorry.
	We had a string of TTSs there, who was, was it you?
	I forgot who was.
	I was just asking the girls what a good husband is to them.
	Build a man.
	I'm writing these things.
	Okay.
	I think at the point when I'm ready to get married, I would want someone who is faithful, someone who is financially stable as I am, someone who wants the same amount of kids and I, like, things that we have in common, that sort of thing.
	Okay.
	Suba donated $90.
	By the way, Davon, that was a, I think that was excoriated.
	I don't know.
	It was.
	It was well put.
	Your TTS.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Any other build a husband?
	I think that if I were to build a husband or a spouse, it would be someone who I'm attracted to, somebody who is good at communicating with me.
	So when we don't understand each other, we can get to a point where we understand each other.
	And let me think, what else?
	Communication is the biggest one for me, but funny and brings like a calming presence to my life.
	I think those are the most important things.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Kind and then calm.
	Okay.
	And then.
	So we have a good husband.
	That's a great husband.
	Yeah.
	And no, I mean, that would be like ideal if you could get it.
	What, in your opinion, makes a good wife?
	I would say the exact same list.
	The same faithful, we have money, kids, attractive, communication, funny, kind, calm.
	Same thing.
	Oh, date that girl.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So like, okay.
	We'll do beautiful woman.
	So like, all that sounds really good.
	So I live in the Midwest.
	You guys are all from Cali, right?
	I'm from the Midwest.
	I'm from Australia.
	Australia?
	Yeah.
	So.
	Tylon 25 Super Chatted 100.
	Yo, Tylon.
	Thank you, man.
	We have access to women.
	However, not many women are marriage worthy in the West.
	That's true.
	So like when it comes to having a good husband, so you're in the Midwest.
	Do you mind saying like where from?
	I'm originally from Missouri, but then I lived in Arkansas for a decade.
	Okay, how long did you live there?
	Like when did you live?
	Missouri?
	Yeah, how old were you when I grew up?
	And I went to high school there.
	Okay, so I left St. Louis when I was like 17.
	Yeah.
	18?
	Something like that?
	Do you think the dating scene in the Midwest is different than the dating scene in California?
	You know what?
	I did not do much dating as a high school student.
	Well, just like watching couples as a kid?
	I do think it's different from what I'm experiencing now because what I am doing in California is like working in like entertainment and porn.
	And when I was growing up, it was like people who I would see coupled up would be like, you know. parents who lived in my very suburban neighborhood and they just live a fundamentally different life than what I live.
	Did you live in like a city in Australia or is it more like the countryside?
	I grew up in a town outside of the city.
	Okay.
	Do you think that dating in LA is different than over there?
	Well most definitely.
	I mean there's more people in the state of California than there is in the whole continent of Australia.
	So you definitely have a lot more options.
	Yeah having so many options is another thing that I think impacts it.
	So it's just like the kind of guys that would encompass that would embody these things like faithful, which means that he would want to be monogamous, have the finances, want to have children, and then has all these like fun things like communication, funny, kind, calm.
	I think that they would see it as a really big risk to marry a woman that's in sex work just because of parental reasons and also for infidelity reasons.
	I think that they would just see that as a risk and they might not take it unless like the guy is more blue-pilled or beta and just happy to have you around.
	And so the problem with if you do get married, and like this stuff does happen, don't get me wrong, like Riley Reed just got married.
	Shout out to her.
	Also, she just had a baby.
	So it's just like, how are you going to be attracted to that kind of guy long term?
	You know what I mean?
	What kind of guy?
	You mean like a blue-pilled beta guy?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you know, like a guy that says yes to a lot of things and kind of lets you lead.
	How would you be able to be attracted to him 10, 15, 20 years down the road?
	Because infidelity is pretty high in marriages for both men and women, but for very different reasons.
	So it's like the lives that you choose today, now in your 20s and your 30s, they're really going to map out the kind of men that you can be in relationships with.
	It's not to say that you can't get married.
	It's just going to be maybe not to the guy that you want, right?
	I mean, I think if you're dumbing it down to that, then yeah.
	But also if you are an attractive woman living in a big city who's financially stable and say for me, once I do get married, I want to leave the industry.
	I won't be in the industry anymore.
	That's not to say it's the same for everyone.
	Yeah.
	But I don't think what I've done in my past is set myself up for financial stability, generational wealth, all of that is going to impact any kind of man I would entertain to marry.
	I would never even entertain a man that would be put off by the fact that, oh, you make six figures a month selling your pussy or whatever they want to say on there.
	Like, you know, it just depends on what you're going for.
	If you're a woman in the Midwest, then yeah, maybe it would have a bit of an effect.
	This is Mike Davis.
	Continue.
	Hey, Mike Davis.
	Hey, Mike Davis.
	Yeah, I think location and the type of man you're looking for, sure.
	But I think if we're going off women that we know or in, you know, a similar bracket lifestyle, whatever, I don't think they're going to have a problem finding a man in that area.
	Yeah, to be honest, so many of the porn stars that we know are in happy, long-term relationships.
	Yeah, many of them are even emotionally monogamous.
	Yeah.
	How long?
	Pretty long.
	I know some that have been in for decades.
	Yeah, like some of the biggest porn stars that I know have been in the same relationship for over 10 years.
	Okay.
	Happily married or just in like a very long-term stable relationship with kids that, you know, have a good life.
	Well, I mean, I would say most normal men, I'm not saying you can't find it.
	Most men would have a major issue knowing that their girl is getting fucked by another guy.
	Sure.
	I think that any person.
	Most men would have an issue with that.
	Any individual person.
	You have to boost hundreds of employees.
	Sending Brian my bone of fives.
	I have a girlfriend that's a lie.
	I make more than the only girls on the panel.
	I'm concerned with the state of our society.
	Don't worry about my bank account.
	Worry about our next blood test.
	Is this an HIV joke?
	Yeah.
	Oh, I think it's a fancy.
	The chat is on fire.
	Yeah.
	Fire is in the chat.
	Okay.
	I just feel like if you could say any individual person would not be a match for most people.
	And so like when you're saying like, oh, normal men don't want this, normal men don't want that.
	You know, like, you could say that any individual person would not be a match for the majority of society.
	Derek Manix donated $100.
	Glad you are happy.
	I have been married for 21 years.
	I have kids that I'm trying to research and understand what they are dealing with.
	I work with a lot of young, successful men dealing with this epidemic as well.
	Nobody will if you win the looks, though.
	Speaking of the gentleman in the chat, Derek Manix, he's an oil man.
	He's an oil man.
	He does the much needed work that keeps society functioning.
	He works on an oil derrick.
	Now, he also owns like seven oil derricks too.
	Like he's he's a Texas oil man.
	Texas oil man.
	And I don't know if any of you have seen the critically acclaimed film There Will Be Blood starring Daniel Day Lewis.
	But he was sort of the inspiration.
	Travis was the inspiration for that.
	The guy who just commented?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, kind of.
	You know, like...
	I'm your milkshake.
	I drink it up.
	Yeah, that guy.
	Okay, hold on.
	Sorry, guys.
	I'll be here all night.
	Okay.
	Sorry, continue.
	Is this supposed to be a merit for this man?
	A what?
	Is this supposed to be like a positive thing about this man?
	That he's an oil man?
	Yeah.
	Are you anti-oil, huh?
	You drive a Tesla?
	I'm not pro-oil.
	I love the planet.
	You love the planet?
	I want it to survive.
	Are we all environmentalists here?
	I hope so.
	Do we care about global warming and the planet?
	Do we?
	I do.
	Question.
	Do you guys take coral?
	Look at all these water bottles I have, by the way.
	Are you guys like, fuck you, Brian, for having all these water bottles?
	You can be honest.
	No, but I think that if you owned the business that made all the water bottles, I might feel a little bit differently.
	I mean, that's fair because it's corporations that are typically leading all the environmental issues.
	Although, kind of just quick tangent here, and we will get back to the point we were talking about.
	I was on a date with a girl, and it was otherwise going pleasantly.
	I brought a bottle of water.
	It used to be called Poland Springs, but now they've, I don't know why they changed the name.
	Maybe, I don't know, they're changing the names on all kinds of things.
	In any case, at the end of the date, it wasn't in a connection, but we otherwise had a pleasant conversation.
	And the girl at the end of the date, in a very condescending way, says, listen, Brian, I don't think that you should drink from plastic water bottles anymore because it's bad for the environment.
	And I was like, I was like, um.
	Huh?
	You know, if she hadn't said it in a condescending way, it would be valid.
	Because, you know, even if the, I mean, I drink from plastic water bottles, so I'm not saying that I'm excused from this criticism.
	Sure.
	But it is sound advice.
	Here's the thing, though.
	I haven't eaten much today, guys, so if my hands are shaking, my blood sugar is all fucked up.
	So here's the thing, though.
	It was condescending.
	Sure.
	Not helpful.
	Honestly, I think it would have been condescending in either way, because it's a first date.
	It's really not the appropriate venue for you to be making critiques on my living, like how I'm moving through the world.
	In any case, I got into an argument with her on what was an otherwise pleasant date, and I started telling her, I started doing like a tit-for-tat comparison of our footprint, our footprint, our carbon footprint.
	And I started asking her questions, like, what kind of car do you drive?
	Because I drive a hybrid, you know.
	Hybrid, you know, okay.
	Soy boy Brian over here.
	And, you know, I started asking, how often do you vacation, you know, flights?
	That's polluting.
	But the big one I asked that really set her off is just really quick, show of hands before I say this.
	Who here, who here is like cares about the environment and thinks at the personal individual level, we need to do more for the sake of the environment.
	Show of hands?
	Show of hands.
	It's a complicated yes.
	No?
	Okay, you want to see the rainforest burn or the coral, excuse me, the is it the Great Barrier Reef?
	The Great Barrier Reef.
	In Australia.
	Yeah.
	That's already fucked up, but it is a little bit, yeah.
	Yeah, congrats, Australia.
	So I want to make a proposal.
	Would all of you, for environmental reasons, consider never buying any makeup ever again and never wearing makeup again for the environment?
	I wouldn't.
	You would?
	I would not do that.
	Oh.
	Yeah, I wouldn't do that.
	Oh.
	Home?
	Kiko?
	Motherfucker, you're checked out.
	Come on.
	We ain't checked out.
	You haven't asked me any of them.
	Okay.
	What?
	no i mean no unless it was like for the environment kiko stop wearing makeup do it for the fucking If they were like, okay, the whole world would be saved if I stopped wearing makeup.
	You and every other woman.
	Then yeah, but.
	What if women collectively said, you know what?
	No more makeup?
	Yeah.
	That would be great for the environment.
	I mean, I wouldn't really give a fuck.
	That would save me an extra hour.
	There's like these poor kids in like Mika.
	I don't know if any of you have heard about Mika.
	They put it in a variety of cosmetic products, chiefly makeup.
	Bro, there's like little poor kids in Sudan and shit.
	India.
	Yeah.
	Scavenging the Mika.
	My answer is yes.
	I feel like if that's why.
	I mean, mica?
	Are you going to say mica powder?
	Micah.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I had no idea what you were talking about.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Would you stop wearing makeup for the environment?
	I guess if everyone else is doing it.
	Okay, so kind of like jump off a bridge or jump off a bridge, you too.
	I mean, if everyone, if every woman decided not to.
	That would equal the playing field in a way, but go ahead.
	No.
	I mean, I guess from my standpoint, I don't really think that an individual, and this might be controversial, but an individual effect is going to have that big of a deal.
	It's run by the corporations, not the people that buy it.
	There's truth to that.
	There's truth to that.
	So would you stop wearing makeup for the environment?
	No, I don't think I would.
	I do think that it falls on the companies that are making these large decisions more than it falls on the individual.
	Although there are things that an individual can do to help.
	No, probably not.
	What if, into the mic, we can't hear you.
	Me neither.
	I mean, there's so many other Factories and products that are using and adding to climate change a lot more than makeup.
	Digbig Energy donated $100.
	Thank you.
	Ladies, what you have to understand is that you currently have the power.
	Your looks.
	However, women age very fast.
	Surely I don't date over 30.
	Reject many tins all the time.
	As I want a marriage, wife, relationship.
	You either listen or die alone.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Why don't we here?
	I'm going to, can you put, is this, is that yours?
	Or was that mine?
	He says, this guy says, he doesn't date women under 30.
	He doesn't date women over 30, I think.
	Sorry, I might have missed.
	He doesn't date women over 30.
	Yeah, thank you.
	That's a perfect segue to talk a little bit about age gap relationships.
	Allie, you happen to be in a bit of an age gap relationship.
	Can you tell us about that?
	Yeah, so I'm married.
	My husband is 51.
	I'm 28.
	We started dating when I was 25.
	And he would have been 48 at the time.
	I am very happy.
	I don't think that I could have been with a man my age.
	I think that they're very effeminate.
	And I understand that there's plenty of reasons why, like both social and environmental.
	We've been asking men to man down for a very long time to kind of just do the things that we want them to.
	And they like believe these things as if they're attractive and they're not.
	And I just find that Gen X men have a better grip.
	You guys scoop.
	Like you're not in frame.
	I just find that Gen X men have a better grasp on game.
	You know what I mean?
	And like something, something weird must have happened with millennial and Gen Z men.
	So yeah, I'm mostly in an age gap.
	I get a lot of criticism about it like pretty frequently.
	But I mean, I'm happy.
	This is the man for me.
	And also, like, he's pretty attractive as well, in my opinion.
	Like, other women might see him and not think so, but he was fit for his age as well.
	And I just think that takes more discipline.
	Like, I don't care about a 20-year-old man who has like a six-pack.
	You should.
	You know, you should.
	But if there's a 48-year-old man that has a six-pack, I'm like, oh, okay, like, that took decades to maintain.
	So that's pretty much my situation.
	He's having his first kid at 51, like a whole feminist.
	And, you know, it is what it is.
	But that's my age gap.
	Yeah, you know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	I've been on here about age gaps multiple times now.
	And your situation, I don't see anything wrong with that.
	You're 25 years old, sound woman, 48.
	Now, if it would have been, if you would have said, oh, I was 19 and he was 42, then I would have been like, you know, I would be like, was this a relationship you would be in still if you weren't been 19 at the time?
	Because I just think a lot of things change in those few years when you are of legal drinking age and you can have more of those experiences as 19 to 25, 19 to even 23.
	Those things are a very big difference.
	So 25 to 48, yeah, I would never even blink twice at that.
	I don't even think there's anything wrong with a 19-year-old necessarily.
	Like, are you talking about choosing to date or have sex with?
	Because young women have sex with older men like more than people are willing to admit.
	Yeah, I don't, that's not.
	Sleeping with, you don't need anything in common with somebody except for both of legal age to sleep with someone, right?
	Yeah.
	My thing was when I came in here times before, I wouldn't even say, yeah, if you were 19 and he was 43 and it was like, you know, a rare occurrence for him to be dating a 19-year-old, then people meet, shit happens.
	You could fall in love.
	There's weirder things happen every day for sure.
	But if he was a 43-year-old man and you would be the fifth 19-year-old he's dated, I would have been like, why is he choosing to date only women who are still in their teens?
	I think that's where flags come, when it becomes a reoccurring thing for older men.
	Because, yeah, you can meet people younger and it could be off-chance.
	But yeah, it is a weird coincidence to me if you are above the age of 40 and you can consistently date people who aren't even of the legal drinking age in our country.
	Well, I mean, I would say, how dare a man be attracted to a woman who's at the height of her physical attractiveness and fertility.
	I didn't say be attracted to, because she said we already established the dating versus sex.
	I'm saying dating.
	A man who chooses to date women who are 18 or 19 only, it does put a red flag in my mind of to why can't he date and be committed to women who have more experience than an 18 or 19.
	It's not that he can't.
	It's just, and I think, I mean, very few men who are in their 40s, I think, are attractive enough, whether that's physically of finances or status-wise, to be consistently dating 18-year-old, 19, 20, 21-year-old baddies.
	It's just biology.
	We never said that.
	Evolutionists either.
	I wouldn't even say that.
	They don't have to be baddies, but.
	I wouldn't even say that it's biology because attraction doesn't necessarily work in that particular way.
	It just doesn't make sense to me how you're okay with an older man sleeping with a younger woman just to get his rocks off versus him being in an actual relationship with her.
	I think it's weird too.
	Yeah, I think it's so weird.
	So you think they're both weird?
	I think they're both weird, yes, but I think it becomes more of an issue when, yeah, they're like seeking a partner only out of it.
	Because yeah, you know, if an 18 or 19-year-old woman chooses to sleep with an older man, she's of legal consent of aging.
	She can do that.
	He's not, you know, she can make that choice.
	But when it becomes a relationship, that's how I see manipulation and power dynamics can take play because a relationship, obviously, a lot more goes into it than just hooking up.
	Well, I think like a relationship should be more meaningful than sex.
	Like I just exactly.
	This doesn't make sense.
	Like it's okay for her to give her body away to an older man to use it, but it's not okay for her to give her body away to an older man who takes care of her and wants to be in a relationship with her.
	Then he has to be manipulative.
	Like that doesn't, I would argue that there's probably more manipulation to get her in the sack than it is to like have that long-term relationship.
	see your point totally but maybe because when i'm thinking about it to get her into the sack i'm big energy donated 100 Older women use the age issue as a cop-out to deny reality.
	They pretend, even though they themselves screw older men at that stage, because they don't like that biological clock.
	TikTok, dated 18, 19-year-olds.
	They're equally propagandized.
	Yo, DBE, thank you for that.
	Eric, can you pull up that Haram one?
	I'll just do it just because he probably go for it if you want to pull that one up.
	Oh, wait, should we have to wait?
	Okay, no, that's good.
	Harmon.
	Harmon is live.
	Thank you for the Canadian 100.
	Just to be clear, guys, for the TTS, for it to trigger, whether it's through Streamlabs or through YouTube, it has to be, because the TTS is through Streamlabs, it has to be USD.
	So the reason it didn't come through as a TTS is, and there's no way to differentiate to change it on Streamlabs for different currencies.
	So it does have to be, if you're donating in Australian dollars, Canadian dollars, New Zealand dollars, it has to be 100 USD.
	But you didn't know, so I'll just, I'm going to read this.
	I bet, actually, you know what?
	Kiko, I know you want to read this.
	Go ahead.
	The super chat?
	I bet anyone sleeping with multiple men, it becomes second nature to look for multiple men to sleep with to the guys.
	You can buy a used car and save money or choose to marry a used girl slash woman and lose 50% or more of your life's earnings in divorce.
	Good times.
	Harmon, thank you, man.
	Let's continue with the actually really quick chat.
	Eric, if you can pull up the pop-out chat really quick.
	Should I, I'm super appreciative of the TTS.
	It's been slightly distracting the show.
	It's coming in.
	Should I bump the TTS for the rest of the show, guys?
	One in the chat if I should bump it or two in the chat if leave it be.
	Let me know.
	I mean, maybe the table wants to win.
	Please bump it up.
	Bump it up.
	literally every like a couple it is kind of so one in the chat bump it to Leave it.
	It's kind of looking little.
	It's not even at all That's multiple ones.
	A little mixed.
	It's every two per like four ones.
	Let's, okay.
	Let's continue on with the conversation.
	I'll see how it goes, but I may have to bump it.
	I mean, I think that's just a double standard, right?
	Because obviously I am a public figure to a degree.
	I wouldn't say like I'm famous or anything like that.
	But it's like if I was an older woman and I was married to a younger man, nobody would care, you know?
	I wouldn't say that.
	I very much believe that there's a couple of people.
	That's why cougar exists.
	And what's the word for a man who seeks?
	How is cougar a put-down?
	That's not a put-down.
	I've never seen someone be thrilled to be called a cougar ever.
	I would be very insulted if somebody ever called me a cougar.
	Yeah, well, that's mostly anecdotal.
	We just have varying experiences.
	I just don't see that happen often.
	I see a lot of the times it's like, yas, queen, you go, girl, which like that kind of age gaps present their own individual issues to begin with.
	But I think we really shame men for finding younger women attractive when it's pretty standard.
	Like the age that men find women attractive, honestly, so as men get older, they still find the same age group of women attractive.
	We already, yeah.
	Yeah, but as women get older, we find men in our age group on average between three to seven years older than us.
	We continue to find them attractive, right?
	So it's like, if I'm 30 and he's 34, I still think he's attractive.
	If I'm 40 and he's 44, I'll think he's attractive, just like on average.
	But like with men, they just consistently find young women attractive.
	And you don't think that's weird?
	No, I don't think it's weird.
	I think it's conscious.
	Normal Kiko.
	It's normal Kiko.
	It's biology.
	I do want to.
	That's what, it's the biology.
	Because like the only thing you've been able to give me usually is, oh, fertility, this and that.
	Okay.
	First of all, I don't know any woman that's 30 that like oh, it's your time doesn't tick at 30.
	That's not how it works.
	Maybe 40?
	Sure.
	That's when we're getting a little closer.
	But a 25-year-old woman is not much more fertile than a 30-year-old woman.
	In those five years, that's not what's happening.
	And that's what's always the evidence being placed in front of me.
	I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being attracted to somebody younger or older than you.
	I'm just saying it is possible for men who are much older.
	Use a P word, if you're going to say it.
	Just use P word.
	Even women, I'm saying it's possible.
	Woman, men, I'm just using, I'm using men because that's what we're talking about.
	I think it's very naive to deny that a power dynamic cannot be in place with an older man or woman and somebody younger.
	That's all I'm saying.
	So it's the people who consistently seek out somebody that much drastically younger.
	Because, you know, even a 25-year-old woman is going to look much younger than a 40-year-old man.
	So like, why does it have to be 18, 19 all the time?
	Because I just, for me personally, I'm only 23.
	I don't know everything, of course.
	But I do know I've grown a lot and learned a lot since I was 19 and being around more adults and more of an adult playing field.
	I didn't become to be around 30 year olds and things like that until I was 21.
	So that's the only thing why I'm like, you know, why?
	I'm not saying even 21.
	I wouldn't even blink an eye at 21, but it's 18.
	I'm just saying the men who are 18 to go up to the 18, 19 or 12.
	Yeah, well, I mean, there's reasons why and I could talk about them.
	Like there's some biological theories.
	Don't get me wrong.
	Like about 90% of women's eggs are gone by age 30.
	It doesn't mean that you can't continue to have children.
	It just means like you're at your last 10% of your reservoir.
	But then you run into hormonal issues probably around like Brian the Eating Warrior Super chatted $99.99.
	How do your parents feel about marrying someone closer to their age?
	I feel like dating that big of an age gap is peaked at ESUs.
	Oh.
	Oh, like for me?
	For me?
	No, I asked my mom.
	She just said that she didn't think it was going to be, she didn't know that he was going to end up being the man that I married.
	But I've consistently been attracted to older men.
	When I was 17, I dated a man that was 24.
	Our parents knew each other.
	There wasn't anything weird about it.
	He was just a kind young man.
	He came from a good family.
	And that's pretty much how I've always dated.
	I have dated men that were in my age group, but it's just not something that I consider.
	I did grow up in a single mother home, but that's not going to stop the fact that, you know, I've just kind of always been this way.
	Even, okay, even when I was a kid, right?
	Like, I thought Brad Pitt was hot.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, that's just been my thing.
	I still think he's hot.
	Yeah.
	Just saying.
	I think he's kind of hitting like some type of wall.
	But I think that's just like some girls.
	I wouldn't say that that's the majority of girls.
	It's just been how I am.
	And I think it's because they tend, like, have you seen how a fit 20-year-old dude looks compared to like a fit 35-year-old dude?
	How like one kind of looks more like a boy and the other one kind of looks more like a man?
	Yes.
	Yeah, like that's kind of been like my take on it.
	And that's exactly my point for, I know it's not everybody, but like I said, I'm only 23.
	Yeah.
	When I was 18, 19, 18, 19 year old men or older looking great.
	Now that the fact that I'm 23, I would say 95% of men that are 18, 19, 20, around those age look like little boys.
	And I'm bisexual.
	So even from a girl's standpoint, yes, some women, I would say, I would agree, we mature faster than men for sure.
	But if you can't tell from a girl that she's 18 or 19 by her looks, you'll tell when she opens her mouth.
	Like we can all guarantee, like, they didn't even have to tell me.
	And I was like 18, 19 max, all three of them.
	They look inspired.
	No, no, it's nothing.
	They just look young.
	I'm not saying they act young or anything.
	You could just tell.
	Yeah.
	They even have piercing those stuff.
	You could just tell they're young.
	So to me, as a 23-year-old woman, if I can tell these girls who are only five years younger than me literally look like they're straight fresh out of high school, barely know what the world's going on, how can a 45-year-old woman be like, yeah, that's that's a peak woman, what I want.
	Like, I'm not saying they're not women.
	I'm not saying they're not women, but they are.
	I'm not saying they're not women, but I'm saying they look young.
	Point blank period.
	Women have run through so many men they cannot pair bond.
	They're insane.
	Plus, if I'm going to have a relationship three plus years before marriage slash kids, fertility plays a role in that.
	You're 23 little.
	Hate 19 year olds pulling D. Yo, DBE, sorry that we kind of missed a little bit about that.
	By 30, women have run through many men they cannot pair bond.
	This is so silly.
	No, but that's true.
	It's not true, though, because there's women.
	There could be about what she said.
	Yes, but she is.
	Is that like the idea?
	No, no, no.
	Like, you're still already.
	So she made a statement about pair bonding.
	I'm saying, like, it's true.
	You can kind of mess up your ability to pair bond because it comes down to habits, right?
	So if you're like constantly having, you know, promiscuous sex, it just, it is harder for you to have that habit of staying committed to one man.
	Well, I just think that the idea that it would be harder to be in a relationship with someone in their 30s is very silly because in my personal experience, dating women, dating women in their 30s is an incredible experience because they are more mature.
	They're more able to have conversations with you.
	They are more committed to understanding.
	They know more about themselves.
	Like, it's been like a win-win-win.
	You know, dating women who are in their 30s.
	Yeah, so like, so, okay, number one, there's like three things happening at once.
	She was talking about age gaps.
	Then you talked about pair bonding.
	Well, he talked about pair bonding.
	I didn't say anything about pair bonding.
	I just said that the comment was silly.
	Oh, okay.
	Let's be clear.
	The comment was about pair bonding.
	And then it is harder to stay attracted to a man long term if you do sleep with multiple men.
	But then you're talking about like your experience as a woman dating other women.
	Sure.
	Right.
	Like, of course, that's going to be different than like a man not wanting to date a woman over 30.
	Like, honestly, like, it makes sense why men wouldn't want to date a woman that was over 30 just because there's a little bit of resentment that comes along the way when you are constantly in and out of bad relationships.
	Or, I mean, they don't even have to be bad.
	They're just failed relationships.
	I think that there's a little bit of that that goes on, but I don't know where you want to take the conversation because three things happen all at the same time.
	Well, since we're kind of primarily talking about age gap, I want to give everyone else an opportunity to weigh in too.
	Your thoughts on age gap relationships.
	Let's talk about maybe Leo could be a good sort of jumping off point.
	Age gap.
	I'm typically attracted to guys a little bit older.
	You're 25, correct?
	I'm 25.
	Okay.
	I've dated a 55-year-old.
	Oh.
	I've dated a 75-year-old.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	Did you love any of them?
	Oh, fuck.
	Sorry.
	It's been on me the whole time.
	Sorry, guys.
	Eric went to the bathroom.
	Did not stop.
	I'm sorry, guys.
	I scuffed it.
	No.
	So you just dated them?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You want to weigh in on the.
	I don't think there's anything wrong with men, older men being attracted to younger women.
	Oh.
	I mean, from a biology standpoint, it makes sense.
	I mean, obviously, not all women lose it fertility-wise when they get older, but statistically, it is the older you get, the less age.
	Progressively.
	Yeah.
	Not to say, I mean, my personal preference, I prefer older men.
	Just from a maturity standpoint.
	You're 21, right?
	I'm 21.
	Can you give us kind of an age range of what you prefer?
	I usually date like mid to late 30s.
	Yeah.
	Just this is kind of the other thing, Kiko, is why do older men prefer younger women?
	Well, we also need to ask, why do women prefer older men?
	That's another side of this coin.
	And I think it happens to be the case that men just like younger women and women like older men.
	No, it's because men mature like dirt.
	They mature slow as hell.
	So usually we have to reach up.
	So that's what I'm saying.
	I'm not saying.
	What you saying?
	No, I'm saying this is like, this got brought In the first podcast, I got brought the fifth time on here.
	We got some news.
	And it's like, I just think it's so naive to say, I'm not saying in every instance, in every case, that an older man dating a young woman, I'm not saying, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that.
	The detail that you guys keep losing out from my opinion is I'm saying men or women who are over the age of 40 who again and again seek out women or men who are the ages of 18 or 19, are weird, are doing it from probably power dynamic standpoints.
	Is my point that I'm saying I'm if, if it's a man who's 43, he's dated a couple of 18 year olds, so be it.
	They cross his path.
	But a 43 year old man who's only dated 18 and 19 year olds, 50 plus men that's only dated 18 and 19 year olds, how is he meeting these 18 and 19 year olds?
	You just don't come across, you don't just cross paths all the time.
	That means he is seeking or she is seeking out that man or woman of that age and I think it is for a reason beyond just oh, they're hot.
	Well, I I think, like I think it really just does come down to that they're hot because, like we talked about it right, like you know what's really the difference between a high schooler and an 18 or 19 year old?
	Psychologically, not much, you know.
	So basically, like she's a sex object to that man.
	But I mean, I think that we're just very quick to, to demonize that.
	You know what I mean whereas, like if it was the inverse and I know that you're saying that it's different when it's with an older woman, with a younger man um, but there's like some sort of implication usually that these folks are groomed like sometimes, young women, just like the silverback eggplant, you know what I mean like they're just into that and I think that we don't, we don't want to admit that, but you know, like i've had girlfriends, you know, in college, that were seeing older men and just didn't tell their parents and sleeping with them too.
	You're just attractive, I mean.
	I don't think she's saying that that's the role.
	I think she just wants you guys to acknowledge that it's a possibility, which obviously it is, but yeah, it does not go, because that's the times I was on here beforehand.
	Every single time it's no no, they're just attracted to each other, but they're just attracted to each other.
	There are some men and hold on, there are some men and some women who are necrophiliacs.
	What you're saying?
	The wrong word, that's people who fuck with people who are dead.
	No, that's what i'm saying.
	He's talking about, like me.
	Still, they exist.
	They existed 100.
	The only social construct is same age marriages, school and work group common ages together.
	It does not correlate with biology.
	Men can procreate into 80s, women around 40.
	The qualities that women look for in men aren't even achieved until well into their 30s.
	So I disagree so like I. Why do you disagree my the person i'm with right now 23, gonna be 24 soon.
	I couldn't ask any more of them.
	Do I say that they're like at their peak prime?
	No, but for a 23, almost 24 year old man, He is.
	And I, yeah, he doesn't have to be 30 to be what I want.
	He's honestly everything I want.
	I'm happy to be with him and by him side at the age of 23.
	Yeah, I would say like that's that's very normal.
	That's pretty standard.
	Like I said, like it's like four to seven years, but obviously like we tend to find our own age groups more attractive.
	So I think like I think you have a problem with people objectifying each other is what it sounds like because women make up women make men out to be success objects.
	So like obviously these older, these young girls that are looking up to these older guys, they're probably not attracted to him for who he is.
	And I would say that's wrong too.
	And you could say that that's wrong.
	It's not getting brought up here.
	Yeah.
	No, I mean, I'd be happy to talk about that all day long.
	You know what I mean?
	But it's just like, yeah, I understand what you're saying.
	I don't think that you're making any spicy or contentious points.
	The only thing I would say is like it doesn't have to necessarily be predatory because it's equally predatory for these young women to be pursuing these older men if it's not for who they are.
	I would agree.
	There's women definitely out there.
	Oh, common ground.
	Here you go.
	No, I definitely see what you're saying.
	Yeah.
	Do you see what I'm saying?
	Yeah, we're on the same page.
	Thank you.
	Honestly, I'd be suspicious if my daughter wanted to be with a very, very older man, but that's what my husband is for, to stare this man in his eye and be like, what do you want?
	Would it not raise questions to you if there's a way older man who wants something to do with your young girl?
	You're like, I know this little girl, and I know my husband who is probably, I mean, not for your case, but like my husband who'd been only 43, 10 years prior.
	And I'm like, what does this 43-year-old have in common with my little 18-year-old baby?
	That's the standpoint I want.
	Kiko Blaza, stop doing that.
	What you are talking about in your man is rare.
	Most meaning the vast majority of men are not put together at 23.
	This isn't conjecture, but fact.
	You admitted this earlier, saying men mature slower.
	All right.
	TMR Radio, thank you there for the $100 you've chat.
	I want to give everyone else an opportunity to come in on this.
	I think you went a little bit.
	Do you have any?
	I don't know if you got to go on your thoughts on kind of age gap relationships.
	I don't have much to say about age gap relationships.
	I think that power dynamics can be toxic if you have a large age gap, which is not to say they always are.
	It's not a comment on anybody's personal relationship.
	Personally, I tend to date people within 10 years of my own age because I like to meet people based on common interests, which tend to be people closer to my age.
	Hold on, the screen's going to get all scuffed here, but we're still going.
	So what about you?
	Your thoughts on age gap relationships?
	Personally, I like guys around my own age, but I don't think age gap is like a problem at all.
	What's the, you said you're 18.
	What's the oldest guy that you've dated or hooked up with?
	21.
	21?
	Okay, so college guys.
	What about, well, sure, what about you?
	Yeah, I mean, age gap is fine, but for me, again, I'm 18.
	I can't see myself dating someone 23, even 22.
	I think I'm just not at that stage of my life yet.
	And then that person would be.
	And I would feel out of touch and just not there yet.
	So you wouldn't date a senior at UCSB, assuming you were single?
	No, I don't think so.
	I mean, I don't even, like, they're probably getting ready to step in their career, and I barely have like a minimum wage job.
	I just don't feel like we can really get together.
	Okay, you mentioned career.
	I'll come back to that.
	What about you?
	I don't really think age matters.
	Mostly, I think when you're trying to find someone who you want to be in a relationship with and who you want to, like you see yourself spending most of your life with and your time with it like matters more on like compatibility and like where you guys are at in like your life in that moment.
	Like personally, I wouldn't see myself dating.
	Like, I'm 18, I wouldn't see myself dating a 40-year-old.
	That's just not where I like, I think it's a little, like, weird, but like, that's like from me, like, from my perspective, I wouldn't, but I'm not judging anybody else who would be in, like, a big age gap, like, relationship.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I would say, like, when it comes to age gaps with women, I think young women are less willing to entertain relationships with older men, but they might like hook up with one.
	I think that that's a big distinction.
	They wouldn't want to have a relationship with an older guy, but they would hook up with him.
	Yeah, I think so.
	Like, I've just talked to enough women, and I went to undergrad myself, and it's like, you know, like they might hook up with one, but it doesn't mean that they would be interested in dating one.
	Because I think these are very, very two different things.
	Wait, Kiko, really, one question on this.
	What's the oldest guy that you've dated?
	Probably like 27, maybe 30, actually.
	Now, 31.
	Before I was.
	Or hooked up with.
	Yeah, 30.
	Probably 31 at this point.
	And how old were you when?
	I put on the math.
	I've never hooked up with somebody over a 10 age.
	The math?
	It's probably like eight.
	I already, I added their age.
	They would be 31 now.
	I'm saying.
	But before this guy that I've been dating, I honestly didn't picture myself really dating anybody under the age of like 28.
	Most of my type was usually around 30 year olds because that's the people who were on the same playing field as me I saw, but I found somebody who was on my own.
	So I wish I had another guy on the panel on this one.
	But okay, so I'm 33.
	I can't think of any reasons or advantages to date a 31-year-old over a 21-year-old.
	For me personally.
	So can you clarify what your advantages would be for dating a 21-year-old over a 31-year-old since you're comparing the two?
	Lower body count.
	Less baggage.
	Probably better able to pair a bond.
	There's a few there.
	It sounded like you might have.
	No, no, like, I mean, so like.
	Better looking.
	That's a stretch.
	Everything you just said right there.
	Bro, bro, bro.
	Come on.
	No, no, no.
	What are you saying is true?
	What are you saying is true, but it's so subjective, though.
	No, no, no, no.
	Like, it's like some things are subjective to Brian's experience and like some things aren't, right?
	But like, let me break it down to you this way.
	So like, let's say, like, a 21-year-old.
	Well, let's make it normal.
	Because obviously you hear 21 and you guys are like, oh, my God.
	Okay.
	Let's just make her 24 and let's make the older woman 32.
	A 24-year-old woman is going to be much more easily impressed than a 32-year-old woman.
	Like, because the 32-year-old woman has been dating more, you know, and you do need an element of being able to look up to your man in order to probably want to stay with him long term.
	You know, because there's some women that are like, I make six figures.
	Like, what do you give to me?
	Or I've been to Dubai or I've traveled the world.
	I've done this, that, and the third.
	Like, what can you do for me?
	And he's like, well, why would if I can't impress you, why wouldn't I just date a younger woman that I could?
	It's like such a stressful situation to only date someone because you are not experienced in like other things that you could see in your life.
	Like, I don't want to date someone just because I haven't met, you know, other people.
	I don't know how many people are.
	We want different things.
	It just sounds like a very sad experience to me to only acquire a partner based on them not knowing what they could have in their life.
	Okay, let me ask you a question.
	Let me ask you guys all the questions on this.
	Let's talk.
	I'm going to start with you, okay?
	Actually, maybe Ali, I can start with you.
	How tall is your husband?
	He's 5'8 ⁇ .
	How tall are you?
	I'm 5'4.
	Do you have a preference for dating a man who's taller than you?
	Well, not now.
	I know you're married.
	He is taller than me.
	He is taller than me.
	If you're asking me about six foot men, I made a decision a long time ago not to date six foot men because they're very confident.
	Let's move on on this.
	Continue.
	On what?
	Do you have a height?
	How tall are you?
	I'm 5'4.
	Do you have a height preference?
	Yeah, I like the.
	I like taller guys, like most, like mostly.
	A little closer to the mic.
	Like 5'10, like 6'2 is, like, the perfect range for me, just because, like, I like where they stand.
	Like, the way I could look up at them, and like, it just.
	Okay, so you're 5'4 and you prefer men who are 5'10 to 6'2.
	The taller, the better.
	Yeah.
	Would you date a guy who's shorter than you?
	Not that there's many, but.
	I mean, I don't know.
	I think there's a lot that goes into dating.
	Like, I wouldn't, I don't think I'd be sexually attracted to someone who's shorter.
	Maybe that's a better question.
	Would you be attracted to a guy who's shorter than you?
	Personally, no.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	How tall are you?
	I'm 5'2.
	How tall is your boyfriend?
	My boyfriend is 6'5 ⁇ , but I've also, I've been, every single person I've been with has been at least like 6'2 ⁇ , 6'3.
	Every single person that you've hooked up with has been at least 6'2 or 6'3.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Do you have a height limit, bare minimum height for you?
	There was this one guy that was like 6'5 and like we couldn't was going with it.
	Okay, he was too tall.
	I mean on the lower end.
	Oh, on the lower end?
	5'10, 6'0?
	Like, I don't know, 5'7?
	Okay, but all the guys that you have been with have been 6'2 ⁇ , 6'3, except for your boyfriend who's 6' Okay.
	And you're 5'2, correct?
	Yes.
	Okay, what about you?
	I'm 5'4.
	5'4?
	Do you have a height preference?
	I mean, I like tall guys, but I've been like with like guys who are like 5'9.
	5'9's the shortest you've been with?
	Like 5'7, maybe.
	5'7.
	Okay.
	And you said you the 20 body count, correct?
	So of the 20, give us the height.
	Like, who's the tallest or shortest?
	Yeah, like generally speaking, would you say most of them were six feet and up?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And you're do you have a height preference?
	You said high preference for taller men.
	Yeah.
	Would you date a guy shorter than you?
	No.
	Okay.
	And you say, again, you're 5'4, is that correct?
	Okay, what about you?
	Do you have a high preference?
	I don't have a high preference.
	I would date somebody shorter than me.
	Okay.
	High preference?
	No, I'm 5'9.
	I've dated guys that are like 5'7.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	So you don't even have a slight inclination towards men that are taller than you?
	I mean, objectively speaking, obviously women find men that are bigger than them attractive for the most part.
	That's just also biology, same as men liking younger women.
	Yep.
	But if I like someone, it doesn't really matter to me if they're two inches, three inches shorter than me.
	Well, in order for you to like someone, typically there has to be some initial physical attraction.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I don't think their height dictates that completely.
	What about you?
	I'm 4'11, so I don't typically come in contact with guys smaller than me.
	Wait, hold on.
	You're 4'11?
	Yeah.
	So.
	all right okay sorry it's just i chat knows i have a thing for if she's not for uh it sorry excuse me If her height doesn't start with four, she ain't the one.
	But go ahead.
	You should be careful with that story, remember.
	I'm not afraid of that.
	Wait, what?
	What the fuck, Hiko?
	I'm just kidding.
	Listen, what's wrong with you?
	I like dwarves, dude.
	Chill out.
	They need love, too.
	Oh, sorry.
	Little.
	Oh, yeah.
	Any love?
	No, no, no, no, Audi love.
	Okay, come on.
	Get it right.
	All labia matter.
	Okay.
	You're 4'11, so probably most guys are taller than you.
	Would you date a guy shorter than you?
	Depending on the person, I guess, but probably not.
	Okay, do you have a height preference?
	Maybe five, seven and up would be nice.
	Okay.
	I'm five, seven.
	How tall is your boyfriend?
	Six foot.
	Okay.
	How tall is the.
	Would you date a guy shorter than you?
	I have like an inch shorter.
	I don't think I would do it again because I love my platform shoes.
	Like even my boots right now have a good like four inches on them.
	I'm always in my platforms.
	And whereas I don't care being taller than them, it's not a concern to me.
	I've seen how they show concern for it.
	They don't usually like it.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So to just bring it back to what you were saying, you said it was a sad way to view dating.
	I do.
	To be like using these metrics to kind of assess potential partners.
	But women have all kinds of metrics with which they assess their partners.
	I think it's just shocking for women to hear men actually articulate the things that we care about.
	Because I think it's honestly shocking for a lot of women to hear men actually articulate the things that men care about.
	I think that if, you know, what a man is looking for is for a woman to be, I think that if what a man is looking for is for a woman to be impressed by what he does for her out of her own lack of seeing what is available in the world, then to me, that is sad.
	I'm not telling anybody else what they can and can't prioritize.
	To me, that's not a relationship that I would want to be in.
	Well, I mean, I wasn't taking it like that.
	And perhaps that was in response to something Allie said, but originally I think I had stated that I don't see the advantage of dating a woman who's 31 versus 21.
	Sure, you don't have to.
	I just, there's no advantage to me.
	I think that there's a lot of advantages of dating a person who has been on this earth for longer and knows more.
	So has a higher body count and more promiscuous and more baggage from past relationships.
	You know, if you don't see the merit of somebody being on this earth for longer and accruing more experiences, then I can't tell you how to see that.
	Right, right, right.
	So like, here's the thing.
	It's not.
	Because this is something that's viewed as merited in men.
	Well, that's something that, so like what you're saying, I get where you're coming from, like, oh, that's so sad.
	She hasn't seen the world and so she's so easily impressed.
	I think we're missing an element of romance.
	There are some things that are special to just have with that one guy.
	And I mean, you know, all of us can relate to, hopefully your first kiss went well, right?
	But like, that's just like a special frozen moment in time.
	But if you're a woman and you're constantly dating, you've been to like the nicest restaurants, because the premise is that the woman is probably like 32, because I won't do 30, right?
	We'll compare the 24-year-old to the 32-year-old.
	But like there's things that are just like not cool.
	You've already cohabitated, so you've already lived with a man.
	So it's not special if you cohabitate with your cousin.
	And even, I mean, my bad.
	Freud.
	No, no, no, no.
	It's not special if you cohabitate with your husband because you've already cohabitated with a boyfriend, right?
	So that's like one thing that's just not really, you know, specific to you guys.
	And it's more than that too, right?
	So it could be the best sex of your life.
	Like, what if that's not your husband?
	And that would be wonderful if it was a beautiful moment between the two of you.
	And the last thing I would say is having a child with your husband.
	Because if you have a child by another man, that's already something that you you've uh given a man the highest honor of being a father.
	So that's something that you wouldn't be able to afford to your husband.
	So there's just an element of romance.
	Like we can't just pin it down to a level of naivete.
	These women can't do it themselves because we can.
	We can make six figures.
	We can travel the world.
	We're very safe to be walking around at night.
	We can do all these things.
	But it's more special when you do it with that one guy.
	I think it all stems down from people just need to date people on their caliber.
	Okay.
	You wouldn't have a problem impressing that girl if, because she's been to these nice restaurants in Bali or whatever, if you could take her to better.
	It's why we see most celebrities only dating other celebrities.
	We don't see singers, whatever, dating their fans because you want to date somebody.
	I think even Brian's brought this up in past podcasts.
	You want to date somebody on the same caliber as yourself.
	So if you can't afford, if you can't afford, yeah, we did.
	If you can't afford Dubai, not in this podcast.
	No, women want to date men on their caliber and up.
	Men don't really care about that.
	But you say men don't care about that, but you guys are so concerned about dating women who haven't experienced much so you guys can wow their panties off is what you've been talking about.
	Wait, but you just said men.
	You just said men want to date.
	You're saying you want to date someone who's 21 over 31 because how are you going to impress the 31 year old?
	That's not what I said.
	That's not what I said.
	That's what Allie's saying.
	Okay.
	So how are you going to impress the 31 year old who's seen it all?
	She's already been to the finest islands, the finest restaurants, whatever.
	Yeah, what I'm saying is then you should be dating somebody who you can show those things for.
	Leave those girls to the people who can show them more.
	So I get what you're saying, but like the problem is more of the inverse.
	Like the men that can provide that to young women, they have a lot of options.
	So there's a lot of women out there that they kind of realize one day that they can't quite get that guy.
	Because I think like our problem with Brian is that Brian is in the streets, okay?
	Whoa, It doesn't have to be bad.
	You're in California.
	I'm not in the streets.
	Was it 3.86 million subscribers?
	Did you just assume my streetness?
	I'm sorry.
	How tall are you?
	Six feet or 6'1.
	Ryan, what's your body count?
	Well, as a man of God, I do not reveal.
	So you ask all of us.
	Yeah.
	That's really unfair, isn't it?
	Because I think it would be different.
	Like if Brian came out and said, like, I'm looking for a wife, I'd rather be with a younger woman that I can impress than an older woman.
	You might be more willing to accommodate that.
	I'm not sure.
	But I think that's a pretty fair statement to make.
	People should be dating in their caliber, but a lot of people.
	Wait, what's a fair statement to make that I'm for the streets?
	I mean, you're acting like the streets are bad.
	Because I have.
	Bro, right here.
	Right here.
	Okay.
	I would have, I don't know who I'm going to propose to tonight.
	It's kind of a questionable panel, but you know what?
	Maybe you're not going to be able to do that.
	She's 4'11.
	I get confused.
	What?
	You got a boyfriend, Kiko?
	What are you doing?
	So, like, you make a lot of sense, but you can tell that you make a lot of sense about men because you're in a relationship.
	I don't know how long it's been.
	It's new.
	Yeah, it's still new, but at least like, at least you got a boyfriend to commit to you that you're attracted to.
	And I would say, even since being on this podcast, I started this podcast single when I first started coming on here.
	Even from how short my relationship has been, part of my opinions have changed.
	And not only have some of them changed, but it's making me see where the other person's coming from.
	Like earlier, you said something about, you know, if a girl has slept around multiple times, how does she know she's already had the best sex of her life if she gets a new man?
	Guy I'm with right now, yeah, honestly, if we don't work out, probably gonna be thinking about it for a very long time.
	So you're telling us, that's cute.
	You're telling us we're not getting sexually frustrated, Kiko.
	What?
	Is that what are you talking about?
	Well, because the last, you're a little spicy, the previous shows, and was it you weren't in a relationship then?
	Now you got a boyfriend, you're in that.
	The walkout still would have occurred with a boyfriend or not.
	Still would have been happening.
	I'm saying some of the things that I've stated.
	I'm not even sure if I could say that I've completely changed my stance on some things, but I could see beforehand I could not see why the other side was saying things they were saying.
	But now I understand both sides, if anything.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah, I mean, it just makes sense that men enjoy younger women, you know, like more, or like might want to date them more.
	That's not to say that that's who they're going to approach.
	Yeah.
	Like who a man wants, well, okay.
	Who people want is very different than who they're likely to approach.
	People are more likely to approach people they believe will say yes.
	Does that make sense?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Cameron Oyola super chatted $100.
	Brian is a man of God.
	Apparently.
	My bad, Brian.
	My bad.
	I was wrong.
	Yeah, but I think he identified.
	So let me address the thing really quick here.
	So I think it seems like because of my large following on social media, you think that I'm for the streets, among other things.
	Living in California, I think previously I said I'm not a particular fan of marriage.
	However, I am a fan of long-term relationships.
	And while I'm not interested in marriage, I am interested in serious, monogamous relationships.
	Me personally, sleeping with a new girl every week doesn't interest me.
	And it really honestly has never interested me.
	It's just, it's never interested in me because I've always preferred continuity with a partner.
	And even if my motivation was sex, I think the most consistent and best sex you're going to get is within the confines of a relationship.
	You know, if you have a continuity there, just on a purely physical level, they know exactly what you like.
	They know what you like.
	You know what they like.
	You have a comfort with each other.
	And if you love each other, I think that makes sex way better.
	So, I mean, yeah, I don't, there's no point to me to sleep with a girl once.
	I've had, like, Santa Barbara's a very touristy city.
	So I'll have girls that I'll match with on Hinge or whatever.
	And they're in town for the weekend.
	And they'll be like, let's hang out.
	Or, you know, whatever.
	It comes up that they're just in town for a brief period of time.
	And I'll say, hey, I'm not interested.
	Even if it's just like, I'll come over and fuck you.
	It does not interest me.
	It's not worth my time.
	The only girls I want to have sex with, I want to continue having sex with them and pursue it because I don't know.
	To me, it's just not, like I said, I'm very busy.
	It's not worth my time.
	And yeah.
	Oh, look at that.
	That's a lot of that.
	Yeah.
	Wholesome Brian has entered the chat.
	Yeah, it sounds like you're a long-term mating strategist.
	That's most people.
	Yeah, most people want one person.
	Marriage is an L.
	Yeah, it can be.
	Well, have you seen the statistics?
	It's pretty bad.
	Okay, so like in terms of like divorce statistics?
	So yeah, we know the divorce rate is high, right?
	But we like, this is some more statistics.
	The more people that you've slept with as a woman and as a man, the more people you sleep with, the less satisfied you'll report your marriage, supposedly, right?
	And keep in mind, the 50% of people that divorce as an aside, they're just the ones that had the courage to leave.
	So I would say like a good deal of marriages are unhappy.
	I get DMs all the time because that's my bread and butter.
	I talk about marriage, how to get married, how to stay married.
	So the sexual number of partners a woman has had in her life does also correlate to that.
	I don't know why.
	It just is that that's what's been reported.
	Also, just to add to this really quick, as far as just me preferring having one partner, I don't have the time or the energy to want to be juggling multiple women.
	It's just, I'm very busy with my business, so it's like if I'm trying to bring in new girls, it just, it would be bad for business.
	It's too much of a time sink.
	Whereas if I have one girl who's just, you know, I can see her once, twice a week, maybe, then that's to me, that's ideal.
	That's consistent.
	Because honestly, I'm so focused on my business.
	I don't, you know, guys who work nine to fives or who are in college, it's, you know, you have time to pursue women, but like, I really don't have the time to be being a hoe, basically.
	So it just, it does not interest me.
	And for the success of my business, I just, like I said, I don't have the time to do it.
	Really quick on marriage, though.
	So 50% of marriages end in divorce.
	80% of divorces are initiated by women.
	90%, if she's college educated.
	90% of child support payments go from men to women.
	97% of alimony payments go from men to women.
	Thus, it's an L for as a dude, just statistically speaking, look at the data, look at the stats.
	Like, it's not good for men.
	So my thing is, you never sign a contract with someone who is rewarded for breaking it.
	And women in today's day and age, if the guy's the breadwinner, they are rewarded by breaking the marriage contract.
	See, if you look at the vows of marriage, what do they say?
	They say, till death do us part.
	That has to mean something in today's day and age.
	But it ain't the case.
	If I do marry a girl, which I think is unlikely, I'd have to meet someone quite exceptional.
	It has to be till death do us part.
	There is no divorce.
	So like to me, like, I'd have to be so certain.
	And even then, how many people get married and they're like, I'm sure this is going to work.
	And it doesn't.
	So even just off that alone, I'm not particularly inclined to go through with it.
	But your words have to mean something.
	Till death do us part has to mean something.
	And frankly, in today's day and age, it doesn't.
	Can I grab more water?
	Is that okay?
	Yeah, Eric, if you can grab her a little water pour favour.
	What's up?
	Oh, were you going to cook?
	Chiara?
	It's hard to dispute that.
	Yeah, like.
	Obviously, yeah, the evidence is there.
	But let's not forget that, and I'm not saying all men in any sense because even my own father would go against what I'm saying right now.
	But definitely it can end worse for a lot of men in most senses when it comes to divorce.
	But a lot of that is set with alimony and child support and all that stuff is because you get married, a lot of people, for what, to have kids, stuff like that.
	So there's kids involved.
	A lot of that is because, like, again, I'm not saying all men, but a lot of men, once they are divorced, they're like, all right, next life it is.
	So yeah, if you have three kids with somebody, obviously you're going to be, I would hope whoever I choose to marry, if it didn't work out in the end for us, and I was the sole custodial parent of our kids, yeah, they should want to pay for my life if I'm raising their children.
	Sure.
	That's the type of man I plan to marry.
	So the alimony laws kind of initially, the social order, say 70 years ago, 80 years ago, 90 years ago, probably I don't know when alimony laws, I mean, they've been around for hundreds of years.
	Alimony was because societally there was men worked, women stayed home, raised the kids, etc.
	Under those circumstances, if there were a divorce to occur, it would it's the logic makes sense that the man ought to support the woman because she foregoed pursuing a career to raise the children.
	But nowadays, if a woman has a career and she does have the means to be economically productive, should she still be owed alimony?
	But is she even, I mean, if she's the breadwinner, she's not going to be getting alimony.
	You're correct in that, but it's, yeah.
	And it's also like, I mean, I'm not saying they should have to do this, but like, why are men getting married then if they know that this is all these facts are in place?
	Because a lot of people get a prenup.
	Yeah.
	You know, like I.
	Well, prenups get thrown out and a lot of men are blue-pilled when it comes to baby.
	Can you guys elaborate on this blue pill that you have to do?
	We don't have to go into that, but basically it's like this Disney idea.
	It's this Disney idea of romance that it's going to be, it's all going to work out and she's the one and then happily ever after, however, you know, and I encourage all men who are watching this, go to your local courthouse and go watch the family court proceedings for a couple hours.
	Go do it a couple, maybe once a year just to remind you, like the divorce proceedings, the child custody proceedings are the most, I had a litigation thing I was involved in and it's just, you know, it's brutal.
	It's brutal, the divorce proceedings.
	You have, especially if there's a kid involved, it's honestly sad when there's kids involved.
	So I think marriage is an L.
	And the thing is, is that I'd say women disproportionately initiate divorce more often because divorce outcomes disproportionately favor women.
	Marriage can be an L, but I feel like that standpoint or statement could be harmful in the sense too, where we, if not marriage being an L, I feel like in the generation or day and age we are now, is more people popping out kids without being married and stuff.
	Like it's nothing.
	Yeah, there's a lot of things that go into divorce, but I don't care what you say.
	A piece of paper is not going to be as much as flesh and blood that you're popping out together.
	So I don't know if it's a correlation between people being like, okay, I'm pregnant.
	Let's get married.
	Or, oh, I want to have kids.
	So let's get married because I want to do this the right way and not be judged.
	And then everyone's getting divorced two years later.
	Or people also nowadays, people think that having a child is going to save the relationship, which I would say is the quite opposite.
	I've only seen people struggle more after a child is introduced.
	But I don't know.
	Marriage, I can see how there's L's, but I feel like having kids without being married or all that stuff is much more of an L.
	I do need to just move it along just because just to move the show along.
	Do you have a quick?
	So everyone on this panel, well, I think, I don't think anyone said they didn't want to be married besides Brian.
	I don't really know what that is.
	You said you don't have a preference, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so you said you don't have a preference.
	So it's like majority of women want to get married, but men are starting to figure out that the divorce courts are against them and marriage is at the lowest it's ever been in recorded history.
	It's only six per 1,000 people.
	So it's like what would help the next generation, which would be like the children that we would hope to have, would be having an intact two-parent household.
	But it doesn't seem like more people are doing that.
	It seems like we're shifting into baby mamas, baby daddies, and co-parenting.
	And I mean, we don't know if that's traditionally worked.
	You know, well, we know that it has traditionally not worked, but moving forward, it could be different.
	I'm not sure.
	I know in the black community, black fathers are the most involved fathers per the CDC.
	They've come out and they've said this, but I don't know how that's going to be for the rest of society when it comes to co-parenting.
	So it's like we want this thing, but it's really hard to get this thing.
	And then when we as women get this thing, we leave 80% of the time.
	And that's a reference range.
	It's 65 to 90.
	But that just means that women majority of the time file for divorce.
	There's reasons for that.
	I just think that we often pretend like the family courts have nothing to do with it when you're more likely to get the alimony and the child support.
	Now, child support is going to, women are going to get it more because of custody, right?
	Women get awarded custody more.
	You're right about alimony, right?
	That comes down to an income difference.
	But it's like we're defaulting it to the woman.
	You know what I mean?
	So we want this thing, marriage, but we're not doing it well as women.
	And we're not requiring it for sexual access either.
	So that's pretty much the whole kit in caboodle on that.
	Okay.
	Did anyone have any input they want to add to this?
	I agree.
	I'm ready for a new topic.
	Let's do something new and controversial.
	We're going to do super chats here in just a sex.
	Stifler, ask the ladies to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
	Go ahead.
	Ten.
	Ten.
	Eight and a half.
	Ten.
	Seven.
	Eight.
	Excuse me.
	Ten.
	Yes.
	I love it.
	Jesus Christ.
	Smokers cough over here.
	Okay.
	Six before pregnancy and four after pregnancy.
	Okay.
	So.
	Oh my God.
	No, you're beautiful.
	Why?
	Oh, because I've traveled, honey.
	I've seen the Japanese pregnancy.
	And I get that.
	Me calling myself a 10, by any chance, I'm not saying that there's not more women out there that are not more beautiful than me.
	Yeah.
	I know how they want us to rate us is for different reasons.
	The first time I came up on here, I think I said I was a seven myself.
	And then I saw things after.
	Why, why ever rate yourself?
	Not saying that we can't be better.
	I'm not saying I can't.
	I'm at my peak state.
	I can be better than this for sure.
	But you deserve to tell yourself at least.
	Maybe for yourself, it's not a 10, it's an eight or whatever.
	You should never walk around this earth calling yourself a four because it might seem like you're being humble or whatever to yourself.
	But when I hear that, you're a very intelligent woman.
	Yeah.
	You're a very, everything that you said right now was so smart.
	And you're the first person who's gotten on here.
	It made me want to shut my mouth, honestly.
	Well, the rate of the world is all books, though.
	Yeah, we're talking low.
	Yeah, all puts.
	Yeah, but when you say that.
	Yeah, but when you say that, when you call yourself a four, if you tell me that you look at yourself and you think that you're a four, even if you're saying it's based off of looks, it plays deeper than that.
	So it's like, why should I trust anything you're saying if you think that you're just no, I get you.
	I get you, right?
	So typically, without being pregnant, I call myself an adjustable six because it truly is like fitness dependent.
	Honestly, I do that to be like generous, okay?
	To be realistic, because I've been around the world and I'm telling you, something is up with these Brazilians and these Japanese chicks.
	Like they are just smoking hot.
	I cannot stand it.
	Because I can tell when women are hot because it hurts my feelings.
	I'm like, oh, go somewhere else with your face.
	But I'm a four because just because I'm pregnant.
	Like that's it.
	It's just because it's like, you know, that's it.
	But anything you should be a 10 because you're pregnant.
	Okay, so you said all the girls should be tens.
	I didn't say that.
	I said I didn't say that, but I said I would, I do cast judgment on people when they rank themselves lower, even if it's just look-based.
	Okay, so do you think she didn't rate herself a 10?
	She didn't rate herself a 10.
	She didn't rate herself a 10.
	And obviously, do you think that they should rate themselves 10?
	Yes.
	Do you guys want to change your answers given what she just said, or are you happy with where you're at?
	No, I'm happy.
	You guys.
	I feel like eight is fit for me.
	I'm on social media.
	I scroll through.
	I see a lot of people, and I definitely do compare myself, and I'm like, not me.
	You compare yourself, right?
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Last time she was on, she was shaming the girls for their relationships.
	Yet later, she revealed she was dating a 51-year-old dinosaur, and that she had no dad.
	Rusty, if you will follow me on the crystals.
	Jesus.
	All right.
	Nice way to drop your IG handle while clout chasing on a woman.
	I thought, you know, I thought men led.
	I don't understand what's going on here.
	But no, my math life's good, though.
	Like, here's the thing.
	Like, there's more 35-year-old men that are overweight to include obesity.
	And on top of it, like, they'll probably have a heart attack before him.
	Like, I don't understand.
	And yeah, I didn't have a father in my life.
	Okay.
	I'm still, I'm still not married.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So let's bring it back to 10.
	Okay.
	Eric, what's.
	Okay.
	So 10.
	Ah, she's gone though.
	Fuck.
	Okay.
	I'll go back.
	I'll come back.
	Okay.
	She's had a bitty like attack.
	Okay.
	I'm back.
	All right.
	So, Kiko, you're a 10.
	10.
	Yeah.
	10.
	You're 10?
	Yeah.
	And then you're a 10 over here.
	I just think all women should consider themselves a 10.
	Okay, I have two things on that.
	Everybody, I think, is beautiful in their own way.
	And first of all, everybody here is gorgeous.
	And I would rate all of you 10s without a doubt.
	Like, all of you.
	Especially you.
	All of you.
	Everyone.
	Like, I think it's a little, I don't know.
	I think it's a little demeaning when, like, it's sad.
	I'm like, sad.
	I get sad when girls, or even my friends, like, when they think of themselves anything less than 10.
	Okay, so all women should rate themselves a 10.
	I got cut off.
	Hold on.
	You go and then Kiko and then I'll go.
	Oh, me.
	Go.
	Okay, there's some girls, I think, I don't know.
	This is a very, it's a very hard topic to like talk about because I think to an extent, like, yeah, I think all women are beautiful in some way, like, shape, or form.
	And, you know, there's some girls that, like, some, their looks aren't as like high as others, you know?
	That's just how it is.
	Like, some girls just aren't that pretty.
	And it's, like, sad to say, and, like, I feel bad, but, like, that doesn't mean like on the inside, they're not a 10.
	They're not gorgeous.
	They're not.
	But isn't the writing thing off?
	Yeah, we're talking about looks.
	The question is.
	But based off even looks, right?
	I, like you even said, subjectively, yeah, we'll find people who we don't think are attractive.
	I could look at somebody and be like, oh, that, I would never really do this, but that girl is a three, a four.
	When there could be another dude right next to me and be like, damn, that is the finest girl I've ever seen in my life.
	Like, she's a 10.
	Like, what if to one guy, I'm an eight and she's a 10 because he likes gingers, or I'm a 10 and she's an eight because he likes black girls, something like that.
	So all I'm saying is, yeah, like you might say, like, you're on social media, you scroll.
	I'm on social media too.
	I'll see girls all the time where I'm like, damn, like, she's so beautiful.
	I will never be that pretty.
	I will never be that pretty.
	And then it finally clicked to me when someone's like, girl, I will scroll through your Instagram and be like, I will never be as pretty as you.
	I will never look like you.
	So, even though you could be saying that about people, there is people saying the exact same thing back.
	There's people who think you're a 10, even if you don't.
	So, for you to rate yourself lower than that is you're already putting yourself down before you're even out there.
	Okay.
	So, for those of you who rated yourselves a 10, do any of you want to revise your answer?
	I have some makeup remover.
	Well, okay, I actually never got to answer that when we were talking about makeup.
	Like, I personally, okay, this better be important because you're derailing the conversation.
	I swear to God, this is important.
	Like, honestly, girls wearing makeup, I don't, makeup is not a huge thing.
	Like, I don't think, like, it's fun and it makes you feel better.
	Dank Nick donated $100.
	Thank you, Bryce.
	Me and Brian and the TDS gang are tens.
	Actually, all men are tens.
	Actually, we can no longer all be tens when we all are.
	We just destroy the whole point of rating when we are scared to compare.
	It's like giving participation trophies so no one is offended.
	That would make sense if we wanted to rate ourselves, but we never asked to do that.
	So continue with your makeup thing.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, like, personally, I think makeup is just a fun thing.
	It's become such like a thing, like, oh, you're prettier with makeup.
	And I just don't agree with that.
	Most of the time.
	There's some extra.
	Women wear makeup to make themselves look more attractive.
	That's a personal thing, though.
	I don't necessarily agree with that.
	Like, my boyfriend will tell me every single day I look way better without makeup.
	He would prefer me to, and most men tell me all the time, I look way better without makeup.
	I do it for myself because I like how I look with makeup.
	I feel like I'm not fully put together.
	It's like a part of my outfit.
	I don't feel like my outfit is fully put together until I do my makeup.
	It's part of being a woman.
	It's part about being girl to me, doing my hair, everything.
	It's not for honestly.
	Is your point that women don't look, it doesn't make them more attractive, or at least in their own self-perception?
	Yeah, I think, well, okay, there are girls that I would say might, like makeup would help them look more attractive, and that's like from my perspective.
	But I think personally, internally, I think everyone, back to like the scaling yourself, if you're rating yourself, internally you should have that confidence that you are a 10 with or without makeup.
	Okay, so I want to move.
	I'll talk maybe a little bit about the makeup thing, but I mean, so, by the way, did anyone want to take on my offer on the makeup removal?
	No.
	On the 10 thing.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So, okay.
	Those of you who said your 10s, your 10s in delusion, like you're delusional if you guys, there's no 10s at this table, no offense.
	And I don't think I'm a 10.
	I'm like, I have a theory.
	Maybe.
	I have a theory, Kiko.
	How tall are you?
	5'7 ⁇ .
	Yeah, okay, so you're a nine.
	If I was a little bit shorter, I'd be a 10.
	No, no, no, taller.
	Victoria's models are like six foot.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's only usually my platforms.
	No, no, I would say you're definitely for sure the hottest woman in the room.
	Yeah.
	Like that's not even a good thing.
	What do you mean, Kiki's pretty fucking fucking 10 here?
	Yeah, like beauty, beauty, honestly, it's subjective there.
	But it is subjective.
	Like you could think, but somebody else, like all these men in the comments, they think I look like the, I just came out of the fucking next brunch film, apparently.
	No, no, no, no.
	Okay, so you said that everyone is a 10.
	I think everyone should think of themselves.
	No, excuse me.
	You said every woman is a 10.
	I worded it not how I wanted to at the beginning.
	I think everyone should think of themselves as a 10 because it's just a confidence thing.
	It's like, it makes you happier.
	It makes you live a happier life, I feel, when you to be delusional.
	Well, that's a good idea.
	Why should girls care what other people, especially guys, think of you?
	Why should we think that's because we want to get married?
	We want to have babies.
	Yeah, but if a guy loves you and if a guy wants to marry you, it's not going to be all about looks.
	But looks get you in the door.
	Personality is what keeps, though.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, I can't be out here expecting to, like, marry the guy that I want from, like, 270 pounds.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, that's just really unlikely.
	But that's, like, also the thing where...
	Okay, can I please get a word in here?
	Okay.
	Okay, so if everyone is a 10, then nobody is a 10.
	Otherwise, what is the point of rating?
	Who cares?
	You don't have to rate people.
	It's literally ejected.
	Really, who cares?
	Okay, so are all men 10s then?
	If all women are 10s, are all men 10s?
	You're so missing the point.
	We're saying everyone, whether men or women, should look at themselves as 10.
	We're not saying everybody out there in the world is a 10.
	We're just saying that everybody should look at themselves as an individual 10, whether they have a penis between their legs or not.
	I mean, everyone's a 10.
	That's delusion.
	It is illusion, but it's a delusional world that you should be in for your own sake and benefit to live a happy, healthy life.
	Because if you're just sitting there being like, yeah, I'm a four.
	I'm always just going to be a four.
	That's what I am.
	That's my looks.
	That's not going to get you anywhere either.
	So you could be in a delusional world of feeling like you're ugly, or you can be in delusional world of feeling like you're attractive.
	Which one would you rather be in?
	Okay, you mentioned confidence.
	Confidence is knowing you're not a 10 and being comfortable with it.
	That's confidence.
	Well, you don't have to be cocky about it.
	There's a difference of being like, I know I'm a 10 and like I'm more powerful than everybody.
	I'm hotter than everybody.
	That's like not the point.
	It's like within yourself, think of yourself as a 10 and be happy with what you look like and with who you are and like love yourself and love what you look like.
	Because in reality, there's not much you can really change about your appearance.
	Like you can change your hair.
	You can change.
	You can lose weight.
	Yeah, you could lose weight.
	But like, why does it matter when you're walking down the street?
	Like, it's not healthy to think about what everybody else around you is rating.
	Here, let me try to pin it this way.
	Do any of you know any guys who think they're hot shit, but they're not?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	He might think he's a 10.
	That comes with cockiness, though.
	saying you're okay if someone asks you to rate your physical attractiveness and you're rating yourself a 10 it's cocky to say that you are on par with the most beautiful women in the world That's cocky.
	It's all about, I guess, how you go about it and the way you do it.
	Because there's men out there.
	Is it muted, Eric?
	Oh, I don't know why it's not playing.
	Just star it.
	Oh, this came through.
	yeah we can't start you can't tell me the oh man that's that's a little spicy bryce I don't know if I can read it.
	It's not directed.
	Fat, blank, sitting in his parents' basement, playing video games all day is the same as a dude in good health, making money in a high-status job.
	But hey, if they're both happy and confident, they are the same.
	Yo, Bryce, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay, so shit, I kind of lost my point there for a little bit.
	So I think this is kind of the big problem in the Dayton marketplace.
	If people think they're hotter than they actually are, they're going to be chasing after people that, quite frankly, they never have a chance of ever securing for a long-term relationship.
	And this most specifically impacts women because here's the difference between men and women.
	Women, you can sleep with men that are one, two, three points higher than you in terms of physical attractiveness.
	That man will never commit to you.
	So that's why you basically have women who are all chasing after the top 10, top 20% of guys, because either you're delusional and you think you're hot shit.
	If you think you're hot shit, you deserve a guy who's hot shit.
	Also, men are perfectly willing to sleep with you.
	They'll never commit to you.
	They're perfectly willing to sleep with you once, twice, maybe keep you around as a fuck buddy.
	And men will sleep down.
	So you start thinking, because for a woman to sleep with a guy, for a woman to be able to sleep with a guy, that guy needs to be at least physically attractive enough for you to be in a relationship with him, to consider being in a relationship with him.
	However, men, men, we will sleep with women that we would never commit to, that we would never be in relationship with, because we welcome the easy access to sex because men and women have different sexual strategies.
	So what ends up happening is a woman can sleep with a guy, say let's, just to use a rating scale, right?
	A woman can sleep with a guy who's a six, or sorry, excuse me, a woman who's a six could sleep with a guy who's an eight.
	He's never going to commit to her, but she thinks, oh, I can get a guy who's an eight, therefore I must be an eight myself.
	So this whole rating system is just.
	If you rate yourself a 10, and if you're actually a six or a five, five being average, if you're average and you think you're hot shit, you're going to want a guy who's a 10.
	You're either never going to get that guy to commit who you're chasing after, who's like a top-tier dude, or when you do finally settle for a guy who's actually on your level, so it's not even settling, but you think, man, I've been with hotter dudes.
	And that's the other dangerous thing with promiscuity and high body counts.
	You can very easily sleep with men that are so attractive and of such a high status that you will never be able to lock down.
	Eric, can you hide this?
	That you're able to sleep with men who are of such a high status or so physically attractive, you'll never be able to lock down for a long-term relationship.
	Once you've had a certain caliber of man, and then you're going to go settle for Joe Schmo.
	No.
	He's going to be in your mind.
	Whereas men, most men are not able to consistently be hooking up with chicks out of their league, whereas women can.
	I think the question was, put yourself on a scale of objective attractiveness from one to ten.
	Confusing self-love and being confident in yourself for putting yourself on an objective scale is the point that he's making.
	Whereas obviously if you love yourself, yes, you're a 10 in your eyes.
	You're a 10 in your heart.
	But from a realistic standpoint, if you are a seven walking around, you can love yourself as a 10.
	That's fine.
	But on an objective scale, you would be a seven.
	Therefore, you would date that or below, realistically.
	Another way to look at it is instead of just what you view yourself as, let's say you lined up 100 men.
	What would they rate you if they were honest?
	I don't really care.
	But, okay, let me ask, if you lined up 100 men, do you think they'd rate you as a 10?
	Probably not, but everybody looks, everybody has a different point of view.
	Like me and my friends, like, I'll rate a guy a nine and she'll rate him a three.
	Like everybody can, everyone sees looks differently.
	Yeah, it's subjective, 100%.
	Yeah, but just going off the objective scale, I gave myself an eight because I know I am conventionally attractive strictly because I make my living off of my looks.
	That is the whole premise of doing OnlyFans, whatever.
	And I could see myself personality-wise, whatever, as a 10, for sure.
	But I think the point that they're trying to make and the point that he's trying to make is off an objective scale.
	It is delusional for a woman to rate herself as a 10 if she's not because it's subjective.
	I see what you're saying.
	But the first super chat that was asked why we started rating ourselves, it just frankly said, rate yourself one through 10.
	That's all it said.
	So that's why in response to the women who were saying, honestly, if people would have said eights or whatever, I probably would have let it go.
	But when I heard the drastic of a four, I felt the need to say something.
	And then on addition to that, still, yeah, maybe if I'm really being serious, like what the stats would be if you line up 100 men, I would say I would get it probably a nine.
	Yeah, I'm confident in myself now, and I'm not going to try to rack my brain otherwise to bring myself down.
	I would, yeah, I'm pretty confident.
	Well, I mean, I think a lot of women are having trouble finding boyfriends precisely because they're rating themselves as 10s when they're not.
	If so, where's your vogue contract?
	Kiko, you're looking like Ratatouille at best that doesn't belong in a one to ten scale, but below.
	Men do not care about your confidence.
	We care about peace and duty.
	You did not meet either.
	Based.
	That's like so based.
	Yeah.
	That's so fine.
	Because like for every one comment I get like that, I can go to my job on Thursday and be told about 10 times on Thursday that I'm the most beautiful woman they've seen in their entire life.
	I, yes, subjectively, maybe to him, I'm Ratatouille below a 10, but I know to many, many attractive people and people who probably care more about their opinions than him.
	Because like my boyfriend, fine as fuck.
	If you saw him, you would probably one of the finest men you would see out here.
	He's watched all my podcasts, know my opinion, how I go about things.
	So I'm very, very secure in what I have going on looking like Ratatouille.
	Okay, we're going to move on from the 1 to 10 topic.
	By the way, there's 3,700 of you watching.
	Wow, that's our highest viewer.
	3,700 watching.
	That's our highest concurrent viewership.
	Yo.
	Yo, can we get some likes on the video from everyone watching?
	By the way, Chase, we might have Chase call in on Discord before the end of the show with Kiko here.
	So get it to, what should we get it to?
	Let's get it to 2,000 likes and I'll see if I can get Chase on the line.
	4,000.
	Oh, well, we only have 3.7.
	What time does this podcast usually run until?
	We're probably going to go for another 30 to 45 minutes, I reckon.
	Okay.
	All right, we have, let's see here.
	Including the video chat.
	We'll see.
	All right.
	Yo, I'm going to get through the soup chat too.
	Yo, Dayvon Jackson, $50 Soup Chat.
	L-Stream.
	That was when the audio wasn't working.
	Thank you, man.
	All right.
	We have Dr. DLR DL Rico, $50 Soup Chat.
	Hi.
	Oh, yeah.
	If you want to read this, go ahead.
	Oh, me.
	First time commenter.
	I see Emma.
	I see Lauren and had to say hi.
	Super F. Eurek for Lauren.
	Oh, he referenced you.
	That's so cute.
	Can't say, I'll watch this back.
	Can't say, but I'll watch this back later.
	Have a good show.
	Ali is amazing.
	Listen to learn, not just to respond, ladies.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	We have Dayvon.
	This came in through that.
	We have Alvin Sam.
	Thank you for the 50 to the OF ladies.
	How exactly are you benefiting men and society with your own fans?
	Quick answers, guys.
	If you want.
	It's a supply and demand thing.
	We're creating something that people want to watch.
	I'm doing something entertaining and fun for people.
	And that's why they paid me money to see it.
	Okay, you concur?
	I'm saying.
	All right, Dayvon Jackson, 50.
	Thank you, man.
	These women really be more committed to a situationship than they would a husband.
	It's actually hilarious.
	More proof to focus on yourselves.
	Hey, Dayvon, thank you for the 50, man.
	Let's see.
	We have Derek Mann, oil man to the OF model.
	Seven figures per year is impressive now.
	But what are you going to do when your value runs out to the simps?
	Understand that your value is highly affected to a traditional style man.
	He will not accept your lifestyle, your response to oil man.
	I mean, just based off that profile photo.
	Ooh, wow.
	It's all right.
	Look, I think if we're going off making seven figures a year, obviously, yeah, looks run out.
	But the content that you make now, when you're young and you're hot, you can sell forever.
	There's always going to be new guys that want to see things.
	And as well, if you invest your money properly, then it doesn't ever really run out.
	By the time that my looks run out, putting quotes on that because there are a lot of women in their 50s in the industry or even older, they still have very successful careers.
	Male physic category.
	Yeah, there's a lot of success in older women right now.
	But by the time that my looks run out, I will be retired with multiple functioning businesses under my belt.
	And I'm not looking to marry a traditional man.
	So, yeah.
	Same.
	All right, we have Speedy on Silence 50.
	As a high-value man, myself, who makes good money, is tall and in shape, finding a woman who is worth my time is hard.
	I don't care for casual hookup crap.
	I just turned 30 last month.
	Hey, Speedy, thanks for the 50 man.
	Appreciate it.
	This message has my girlfriend goes to another school, energy.
	I just know why he spent $50 to put up his baby snow.
	Hey, guys, I'm tall and I'm in shape.
	You can't see what I look like, but just count on it.
	And finding a woman is hard.
	I mean, look elsewhere.
	I don't know.
	If you've got everything going for you, I'm sure, babe, you will be able to find someone in your bracket.
	Speedy, get your passport and leave the U.S.
	Okay, we have Mike Davis here with the $50 Super Chat here for two minutes and getting the F out.
	I can handle this pack of, oh, geez.
	Okay.
	Easy work, but I got a vision of their disgraced dads, and that's too much for even Mike Davis.
	God blessed me.
	No daughters, only sons who proudly carry the Davis bloodline.
	All right, Mike Davis roasting as usual.
	Okay, we have adding to what Allie said about parabonding, that's like paired, okay, yeah, parabonding.
	Studies have shown a woman with five or less sexual partners are 80% plus likely to stay married to their partner.
	That number drops to 17 with six to ten partners and less than five percent beyond 15 partners.
	Hey, Rika, thank you for the stats there.
	Appreciate the $50 super chat.
	Yeah, I mean, they've done studies on this.
	Like, as your body count starts bumping up, there's more likelihood of reporting relationship dissatisfaction, greater likelihood of infidelity, and greater likelihood of divorce.
	So it does seem to come with the territory.
	All right, we have Dayvon Jackson here, $50 Super Chat.
	It's sad to say, but situationships are more normal than marriages now, and I don't believe in non-monogamy.
	You're just two single people who happen to enjoy each other's company at the end of the day.
	Yeah, that's definitely true.
	I mean, definitely true.
	Great, great point.
	All right, we have Zentiens here with a $50 Super Chat.
	It's such a sad thing to say.
	It's called reality.
	Reality coupled with an increasing amount of men does not care about your thoughts.
	Just as modern women have an abundance mindset and can be picky, the top 10 to 20% of men now have that same choice.
	Yep.
	I think this is maybe in response to kind of the age gap stuff.
	But Zentiens, thank you, man.
	Good to see you back in the chat.
	Yo, Zentience, just had to stop by to show support around the sphere.
	Respect to Ali and Mr. Drummond.
	Hope your pregnancy is going well.
	I don't have time to roast 3FOs tonight, but as a parting gift, these 3FOs have more plastic and less value than...
	Whoa, okay.
	Do you guys have a response to Zentience?
	More plastic.
	I don't have any plastic.
	You haven't had any plastic surgery?
	I haven't had, I have lip fillers in my top lip, but I haven't had any.
	What about you?
	What's the question?
	Do you have any plastic surgery or?
	Yep.
	Okay.
	But it's not plastic.
	But it's not plastic.
	Oh, right.
	Okay.
	All right, we have Zentience here with, oh, this one already came through, right?
	Eric, I hope.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	We have Let's see.
	Yo, Mike Davis, thank you for the 50.
	I call cap on their dad supporting them.
	These degenerates are confusing their simp sugar dads with biological dads, but if so, I would love to meet them.
	Oh, my God.
	Low life, low-T, backwards cucks, and I would beat them to a pulp.
	And I'm dead serious.
	So, Mike Davis, who, by the way, owns like 70 Burger King restaurants in North Carolina, he said he would beat your partners to a pulp, a response to Mike Davis.
	Our partners who pull?
	Our dads, he's saying.
	Oh, he said the dads.
	Oh, shit.
	Fuck that one.
	I mean, you'd probably get along with my dad, babe.
	He's religious and conservative, but he also loves me unconditionally and has accepted what I do as an adult that can make my own decisions.
	Sure, he's not thrilled, but he loves me anyway.
	What's that term in us?
	Is it bogans?
	A bogan.
	Yeah.
	What's bogan?
	It's like a redneck Australian.
	Okay.
	Have you ever dated a bogan?
	Bogan dating.
	I haven't dated a bergen.
	I think I've made out with one at a club, maybe when I was in high school, but it's just like a southern boy, you know, if you like a farm.
	Southern boy.
	Yeah.
	I thought it was Western Australia.
	Our bogans, too.
	Like Perth and all that.
	Yeah, I mean, Bergen, it's like not a derogatory term, but it's like what you would call someone you would call a redneck.
	Okay.
	Say the same thing.
	All right, we have, let's see here.
	Yo, Dave on Jackson, thank you for the 50, man.
	Yo, appreciate all the support tonight, man.
	You've been super supportive.
	Thank you, man.
	If they made you feel fulfilled, you wouldn't need multiple of them, and they wouldn't be constantly rotating from three girlfriends to one now.
	What happened, Emma?
	The people I was dating before, we went through different cycles in life.
	We're not dating each other anymore.
	I'm still really good friends with all of those three women that I was dating at that point in time.
	We're like super close.
	We're just not in the season of our life that we're dating anymore.
	I don't have a girlfriend right now, but I think it's possible to have a relationship that makes you feel fulfilled and it not be permanent.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	By the way, guys, sorry that we're getting to these kind of late on in the show.
	I meant to bring it up sooner, but the conversation kind of just flowed that way.
	So thank you to everyone who super chatted.
	Sorry for the delay in getting to them.
	Yo, Mike Davis, thank you for the 50.
	These goofy, okay, are like children snacking on candy all day.
	They're happy until their teeth fall out.
	Mike Davis, what's...
	Oh, oh.
	Not intended for human consumption, super chatted $100.
	The Australian lady has a good head on her shoulders.
	The Pacific Islander slash Asian that rated herself a seven is crazy.
	She's the real ten.
	Brian, you are the man.
	I enjoy your style.
	I enjoy chase, tete, and ally.
	Kiko, do you have a thank you?
	Do you have a response to that?
	Why are you asking me?
	Well, I believe is.
	Oh, wait.
	Oh, sorry.
	Do you have a response?
	Do you have a response to that?
	Just thank you.
	Okay, she says thank you.
	Let's see here.
	I think I had this one pulled up, or did I already do this one?
	That was Mike Davis.
	Yo.
	All right.
	They'll understand when they're 50 childless, and the only man interested is Trailer Park Inbred, a bogan.
	Okay.
	Redhead with dollar store glasses.
	Okay.
	Do you have an answer to Mike?
	I think he's saying you have dollar store glasses.
	I need these to see.
	I think they're prescription, but okay.
	All right.
	Mike Davis is salty, a little spicy tonight.
	Yo, Frankie, thank you for the 50.
	To the ladies running game on Since through OF, some of you said you wanted to get married and have kids.
	Does it bother you at all to know that your husband or children could eventually run across your content?
	PSOF will be the downfall of society.
	Okay, I have, by the way, I have OnlyFans.
	OnlyFans.com slash whatever.
	There's nothing crazy on there, but do you guys have a response to this?
	Do you want to say something first?
	You go.
	Okay, I feel like I'm monopolizing the mic.
	But I feel like, you know, you really revealed to me at the end of this message that I don't really need to take what you have to say seriously because, you know, what we're doing is not hurting anybody.
	And people who are engaging with what we're doing are doing it on their own accord.
	Nobody's making them.
	But if I were to have children one day, you know, I would just have a conversation with them about it.
	You know, just like anybody would need to have an accountable conversation with a child in their life about different factors.
	I think there's a lot of other, you know, things that would be difficult to navigate with a child, and people seem to really fixate on this one.
	Do you guys want to?
	Yeah, I definitely worry about it.
	I mean, when I have kids, no child wants to see their mom getting railed on Pornhub.
	But also, like, from the standpoint that I'm at, making the income that we're making, it's not just, oh, I did that for fun when I was in my 20s.
	It is setting the child up for life.
	And so I would hope when my child is of age to have a reasonable conversation about it, they would understand that those decisions were calculated and made to benefit them.
	I see what you're saying.
	And that's actually, I think that's a fair argument insofar as the trade-off.
	On one hand, there's going to be, to some degree, perhaps social repercussions.
	However, however, if they're so financially set, I think that's what you're saying, right?
	You acknowledge that there may very well be social repercussions.
	However, you're saying that the trade-off is worth it because of the financial position that you'd be putting your family in.
	I would be hoping that the place that my family would be in at the time would outweigh anything that I'd done in my past.
	If I'm in a happy, secure marriage with kids, I would say that definitely outweighs.
	Sure.
	All right, I'm just going to try to get through these soup chats here.
	Okay, yo, Cameron Eoli sauce?
	Oyola.
	Thank you for the 50-man career.
	Women are an L.
	Okay.
	Wrong, I guess.
	They're an L?
	Okay.
	We have.
	Does anyone have a thought on that one?
	Are career women L's?
	Well, that would be someone coming from the standpoint where you said you wanted to date someone 21 rather than 31.
	You know, you can have a preference, but if you want to date someone 31 who's making six figures rather than a 21-year-old who hasn't done anything yet, that's up to you.
	Yeah, I mean, just really quick on that, I mean, my kind of position is that, so a career woman, you know, older woman, woman who's 31, perhaps you might think, well, she's bringing her career, her success, her ambition to the relationship, her finances to the relationship.
	However, my position is, and we've asked a lot of women on the show, you know, in terms of their contribution towards financial contribution towards relationships.
	Well, maybe before I say my point, really quick on this, who should pay for the first date, Kiko?
	Whoever asks.
	I'm pretty sure you said, well, do you ever ask guys out on dates?
	That's a no.
	No.
	No.
	Okay, have you ever asked a guy out on a date?
	No, but like even the relationship I'm in wasn't the first date, but I've paid for dates already.
	But he paid for the first.
	Okay.
	The first one, yeah.
	Who should pay for the first date?
	Yeah, whoever asks, I guess.
	Okay.
	The guy.
	The guy should pay.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	A little closer to the mics, guys.
	If I ask somebody on a date, I'll typically pay for it.
	And if another person asks me to go on a date with them, I'll expect them to pay for it.
	Okay, so whoever asks, whoever asks, what about you two?
	Who should pay on the first date?
	Guy.
	Yeah, the guy.
	I mean, like, I'm not going to ask someone out on a date, so I'm not going to pay.
	I think the guy.
	Okay.
	And definitely the man.
	Okay.
	So, just really quick, you two, whoever asks should pay.
	More often than not, does the guy ask or do you ask?
	A date?
	I feel like, yeah, probably the man, but I've initiated conversation.
	So I don't know if that's the same thing.
	But more often than not.
	Yeah, I mean.
	Sure.
	What about you?
	Much more often I'm going on dates with women, and I'm typically the one asking them, and I'll typically pay with some exceptions.
	But, you know, most of the dates I bought on recently with guys that I can remember, the guys asked me and paid.
	Sure.
	Okay, so, I mean, I'm actually kind of surprised most people often say whoever asks should pay, but a lot of you just outright said the man should pay.
	So, really quick on the whoever asks thing, I mean, if you say whoever asks should pay, I think we can all acknowledge though, in almost 95, 99% of instances, men are the one that ask.
	Ergo, your answer may as well be men should pay because men are de facto the askers.
	So your answer may as well be men should pay.
	To kind of bring it back to the whole career thing, so and the reason I asked you all why or who should pay, aside from the biological and evolutionary reasons, you know, men were typically the protectors and providers.
	Aside from that component, men don't care about your success, career, and ambition chiefly because of the answers you've all just provided.
	So just to explain that a little bit, women don't share their resources with men the same way that men share their resources with women.
	All of you just said either whoever asks should pay, which is typically men, or you said men should pay.
	So we don't reap a benefit from your success, ambition, or your career, or your money because you still expect men to adhere to their traditional gender roles.
	So why should we care?
	On a sex, not on a sex, Jesus.
	You're not benefiting on a first date down the line, perhaps.
	But just for me, initially, when I meet someone from a traditional standpoint, I would want the man who's asking me on a date to pay for the date.
	Sure.
	But I mean, so some girls first date and then they'll go 50-50 thereafter, but a lot of girls, they want it to either persist throughout the entirety of the relationship or at least maybe second, third, fourth date.
	And I mean, I'm sure, how many of you here does it ever go beyond that first date where the guy already made that initial investment and it didn't go anywhere?
	But I would say most first dates don't lead to anything.
	They don't lead to, I mean, everyone's different.
	Some people have higher success rate than others, but like most first dates don't end up leading to a relationship.
	They may very well not even lead to a second date or third date.
	So I would say, in my personal experience, probably less than more than 50% of my first dates, there's not a second date.
	So to me, just that's why men don't care about your success, your career, your ambition, your money, because you guys are not particularly, you're not as generous as men are when it comes to sharing your resources.
	Evidenced by all your answers, which were basically the man should pay.
	And me personally, I don't think men should pay on first dates.
	Do you pay on first dates?
	Well, it depends a little bit.
	I'll split the bill.
	Why do you?
	It's funny that you scoff and you laugh, but yeah, I'll split the bill.
	That's fair.
	I mean, I think if you're on a first date, say as the man, and you don't see that first date going anywhere, then you know, obviously, if you don't want to do that initial investment, that makes sense.
	But if you see it going to a second date, to a third date, and you're a traditional man, then you would feel inclined to pay.
	That's not to say on a first date, I do expect it, but going forward, when I like someone, I enjoy paying for things and doing nice things with people.
	That's not for everyone.
	That's not the role, but I know you want to come in.
	Let me just ask one follow-up question and then I'll get to you, Kiko.
	So, of those of you, I mean, I think you all kind of either said whoever asks should pay, or the guy should pay.
	If you go on the first date with Guy and he says, you know, politely, he's just like, or well, he says, hey, let's get separate checks, let's split the bill.
	Based off of that alone, will there be a second date?
	Probably not.
	I've gone on first dates where I've split the bill before.
	Okay, would it be, would you view it as like maybe not a deal breaker, but it's kind of like a slight negative that he didn't offer to pick up the whole check?
	I usually like initiate splitting if I just think that it's not going anywhere, so he just knows like because obviously there's connotations that come with a man paying a lot of the time that you, you know, you expect something in return.
	So, yeah, like what you said, if I weren't gonna, if I wasn't gonna see it going anywhere, then I would also offer to split.
	But if I'm interested in the person, then I would expect them to pay, and it would be a negative if they didn't.
	Okay, would it be a if otherwise the date otherwise went well?
	Let's say it's not like the most amazing guy you've ever met, but like it went well.
	However, at the end of the date, he does say, Hey, let's split the check.
	Is it a deal breaker?
	It's not a deal breaker.
	Not a deal breaker, but maybe a little negative mark.
	Yeah, I would just remember that.
	Sure.
	I think that if a man that's taking me on a date is if a man that's taking me on a date is in a really good standing financially, I would fully expect that man to take care of the check.
	I, you know, aren't you also in a good place financially too though?
	Yeah, I am, but, you know, if I'm going to be engaging with a man in a relationship, I feel like, you know, and that man asked me on a date, I would expect to have that date be taken care of by that man, which is not to say that I haven't paid on first dates with men because I have, and I have split the bill many times.
	But, you know, I'm going to leave with a better impression if a man pays on a first date.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I mean, if a man splits the bill, I wouldn't be like upset.
	I'd just be like, uh.
	Pull the microphone closer towards you so you're not slouching over.
	You can you can keep pulling it.
	So you said the guy should pay, but but if he were to split the bill, I wouldn't be like upset that much about it.
	Okay, what about you?
	Yeah, and I feel the same way.
	And if he asks us to split the bill and we do, it's okay because would there be a second date for the both of you?
	Yeah, I mean not a deal breaker, but it's a negative, like a negative mark.
	Yeah.
	It's an ick, as they say.
	Okay.
	I mean, it's negative, but after that, if we're going on a second date, I'm going to start splitting and going half.
	Like, if we're going to the movies, he'll get the tickets.
	I'll pay for the snacks or whatever.
	Sure.
	If we're continuing the relationship, we're going to both contribute.
	Okay, and then what about you?
	I feel like as I'm going into a first date, I'm expecting the guy to pay.
	But if he asked to split it, I really don't care at all, especially because a lot of the guys I know and that I'm talking to or that I'd be ever talking to, we have very similar, like we're earning similar wages.
	So I know we're most likely in the exact same financial state.
	So it really doesn't bother me if someone asks to split the bill.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	So one question kind of related to this for everyone.
	Do any of you offer to split?
	You know, you'll say, you'll do like kind of the gesture.
	You'll say, oh, let me get it.
	Or you'll maybe, no, not the gesture to split.
	You'll say, you'll do the gesture to pay for the whole thing.
	Do any of you do that on the first date where you're like, you do the reach for the checkbook, or not the fucking checkbook, but the fucking purse?
	I do that.
	I do that.
	Yeah.
	And when you do that, is that to pay for the whole thing or to split?
	The whole thing.
	You do that?
	Okay.
	Yeah, I've paid for the whole thing.
	But like, you do the offer, even though you don't really want the guy to take you up on the offer.
	If I offer it, I mean it.
	Okay, you mean it.
	I do it just for the gesture.
	You do it just for the gesture?
	It's almost like a thank you.
	So you do the gesture.
	However, if the guy is perhaps not socially attuned and he takes you up on the gesture, the offer to pay, you say you pay the whole thing, right?
	I could.
	You would.
	If he takes you up on it, is that a deal breaker?
	It's not a deal breaker, but it's a negative.
	Okay.
	Do any of you do the gesture?
	Oh, let me get it.
	No.
	No?
	No.
	Okay.
	I definitely did not do that gesture when I was in college.
	I don't have money.
	It's like a financial strain took up an advanced college.
	Well, just the only reason I say that is just because there's sometimes we've had some women on the show who say, I offer.
	However, if the guy takes me up on my offer, I'm not going to see him again.
	And to me, that's just kind of a bit ridiculous because men were more overt communicators, whereas women tend to communicate more covertly.
	So we sort of take things, we take your word for it.
	So if a woman offers to pay, we're like, oh, that's kind of nice.
	Well, I've had men say to me that they appreciate the offer, even if they don't think it's 100% genuine or they don't want the girl to pay.
	It's still, it's a nice gesture to have this offer.
	I guess the point I'm trying to make, though, is there's some girls who will make the offer, and if the guy takes her up on the offer, she, some girls say, I just won't see him again because he took me up on the offer, which is like, you often hear women complain about men being poor communicators, but that is quite literally being a poor communicator.
	Yeah.
	Like that's, I don't think that's fair to make an overt offer in the same way if a friend, if I offered to help a friend, I think it would be unfair of me to, if he takes me up on that offer for help, for me to be like, fuck you, dude.
	I don't want to be friends with you anymore.
	In any case, let's, oh, go ahead.
	Oh, did someone want to come in?
	I was going to say, I mean, I wouldn't personally do it, but I know a lot of women do it as a test.
	So it's not my personal thing, but.
	Does anyone here test guys?
	Do you guys do any tests?
	Nobody?
	I do not.
	Oh, okay.
	Some women do it, though.
	Yeah.
	Tests are kind of yikes.
	Okay.
	Let's see here.
	So let me continue on with these soup chats.
	I think we have just a few more here.
	We have the stream labs.
	I'll get those too.
	Yo, Gloady, Matsingi.
	Actually, Let me do those now, actually.
	Did we get a lot I don't even know if you let me see here All right, we have, let's see, we have wait, fuck.
	Are you able to scroll further down than one hour ago?
	Two hours ago?
	I can't see anymore.
	Fuck.
	Okay, we have base grandma with a 50.
	Thank you.
	Can you pull it up, Eric?
	On your end?
	Shit, it might be.
	I don't know how we're going to.
	I don't know.
	You can't scroll further?
	Because I think there are definitely more that came through.
	Fuck.
	Okay.
	Shit.
	Well, we'll have to figure that out.
	Maybe after the show, we might miss them.
	Yo, base grandma.
	Scroll up to the top.
	Oh, wait.
	That is.
	Wait, what?
	Is yours?
	This is the first one that came in.
	Oh, okay.
	That's fine.
	We'll do that.
	Can we go around the table and get everyone's SAT score?
	Some of the ladies can barely sing, string a proper sentence.
	I'll talk and do it.
	This SAT score?
	I didn't take the SAT, but I did take the ACT and I got a 34.
	You got a 34?
	Yes.
	Anybody else?
	Anybody else?
	In Australia, we don't do SAT.
	Did you have something else?
	Yeah, it's out of 100.
	I got an 87.
	Okay.
	I mean, COVID hit, none of us took the SAT or the ACT.
	All right, let's get the next one there.
	You guys don't have to take the SAT anymore?
	That's crazy.
	All right, scroll up a little bit, sir.
	Scroll up, scroll up.
	Oh, that one came through as a TTS.
	No, Streamlabs, it comes through at 90.
	Keep going.
	Yeah, don't worry about it.
	Scroll up.
	Up, up, up.
	I'm getting really hungry.
	Scroll up.
	There we go.
	Base grandma, 50.
	Can the chick who banged five dudes nine wait five dudes nine in three days please explain the significance of her necklace?
	Does she keep in it on while she rides the train?
	Wait, let me see the necklace.
	Oh.
	Oh, boy.
	Are you a Christian?
	I'm Catholic.
	Yeah, I grew up Catholic.
	My mom makes me wear a necklace.
	So I keep it on all the time.
	Do you still consider yourself to be Catholic?
	Hurram!
	Not really.
	Wow, that's a lot.
	Okay.
	Do you have a response to him?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right, bringing it back over here, too.
	But, guys, if I missed any of them, I'll look.
	If I missed any of the ones at Streamlabs, I'll get it next stream, guys.
	Sorry about that.
	I will do it next stream, though, if any of those came through.
	And it's just not populating on our page for some reason.
	All right, we have Glodi Matsingi.
	Being a 10 means that you're perfect, therefore there's no room of improvement.
	Ladies, what do you think about the Passport Bros?
	Why do women left over?
	Parentheses, who treated them like garbage, are mad at them for finding love and peace.
	Peace?
	Bruv.
	Elsewhere.
	What do you guys think of men who are going overseas to find partners?
	I didn't even know that was a thing.
	Passport bros?
	Never heard of it?
	Do you have a thoughts?
	Any thoughts?
	That doesn't affect me.
	All right.
	Yeah, I think a lot of women don't.
	Honestly, they don't care.
	They don't care that guys are opting out of the dating marketplace in the U.S. Do you?
	In the West.
	All right, we have 444 Coke.
	Thank you for the 50.
	It's delusional to say that everyone is a 10.
	People tend to overvalue themselves at the end of the road.
	All they will find is disappointment because their expectations are too high.
	Especially when it comes to dating, men, please avoid modern women.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That's related to our one out of 10 question.
	Yo, cheeks, thank you, man.
	Oh, if to Jen.
	Oh, my God.
	Content is now out forever.
	How do you feel your future kids and or family looking at your dis homeless content?
	Do you think you won't feel shame down the road?
	Men in chat and beyond, stop simping.
	Um, I did, I think we kind of already addressed this question a little bit.
	You know, you guys have done the calculus for your selves, and people ask me this whole lot, but I don't really plan on having kids, so it doesn't really apply to me.
	Yeah, there you go.
	That's kind of a solution to that.
	I've never really wanted kids.
	Um, okay, so that's it for the super chats, guys.
	If you want, we're gonna wrap up here in about aim for 10-15 minutes.
	Not yet.
	We do have one last thing to talk about.
	We gotta react to the video.
	And so, if you want, get your last-minute super chats in.
	I had related to one of the super chats that came up, I believe it was, oh no, it was one of the Streamlabs one that was for you.
	I had a question for you.
	So, um, for her or for me, for her.
	Um, so you said, okay, so you're 18 and you said your body count's around 20.
	It's 20, yeah.
	Oh, it's exactly 20.
	Do you have like a book?
	You keep like I have like a note app like in my notes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	What do you put in there?
	I put like what we did, how big his dick was.
	Huram!
	Wow, it's pretty specific.
	So name, date.
	No, I don't remember.
	Oh, not the date.
	No.
	Not the date.
	Okay.
	The penis size.
	Yes.
	Can you show that cross to the camera again?
	By the way.
	Yeah, there you go.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so what else do you put?
	Like the some detail?
	Like is it one line or is there like thorough full page details about it's like a spreadsheet?
	Oh shit.
	You're official about it.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I don't play around.
	She doesn't play around.
	Okay.
	Does anyone else here keep a spreadsheet?
	Wait, you can keep a spreadsheet in your notes app?
	Like a table?
	I have a notes.
	I don't know.
	I have a notes around.
	I shared it with a few of my friends.
	Wait, so, okay, so it was 50, 50, 300, 26, 8, I believe.
	And then, well, Ali omended on that one, so did I.
	Okay.
	What did you just say mine was?
	Well, I skipped over yours.
	You're 12.
	That's what I thought.
	Allegedly.
	Okay, so.
	The amount of things.
	I've literally admitted to selling my old underwear to pedophile.
	Let's not talk about that.
	You think I would have admitted my body count?
	Okay, so we can maybe talk about that later.
	So I had a question for you.
	So, 18, 20, your body count's 20.
	You're a freshman in college, correct?
	Okay.
	Did you put most of those up like your first, was it quarter or semester?
	Semester.
	Was that your first semester that you put most of those up?
	No, it was mostly like from high school and summer.
	Three-pointers, huh?
	It was mostly from like high school and summer.
	High school and summer?
	Yeah, college, and I've been pretty calm.
	More tame.
	Okay.
	So, question, and I'm kind of wanting to.
	Oops, hold on just a sec.
	I kind of want to do the math here a little bit.
	So you're 18 and the body count is 20.
	Let's do a little math here.
	So at 30, what do you think it's going to be?
	What are you aiming for?
	What are your dreams and aspirations?
	I don't know.
	At 30, I'll probably be at like 50?
	50?
	OnlyFans girl, future OnlyFans girl.
	Do you want to start in OnlyFans, do you think?
	No comment.
	So is that a yes?
	Or?
	You would make so much money.
	We'll see.
	I need the money.
	Would she?
	Wait, why?
	Just curious, like, does she have to look?
	Okay, I see.
	Yeah.
	Keep it here.
	Having sex.
	Keep it here for a sec, Eric.
	So, okay.
	Right now it's 20.
	You're 18.
	You think only 50 at 30?
	Yeah.
	Because just curious, when did you lose your virginity?
	15.
	15.
	So.
	Wait, now I got to do the math here.
	Oh, did that end?
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	Let me do that.
	Wait.
	Three years.
	Is that seven?
	6.33 partners per year.
	Per year.
	So.
	Speak here, guys.
	I can't think of it.
	Is anyone help with the math here?
	He's averaging almost seven partners a year.
	Oh, fuck.
	How do I turn all these off?
	Okay.
	Or, yeah.
	Yeah.
	About seven partners a year.
	So, wait, let me ask a different question.
	I'm going to keep it on you here while I.
	Oh, wait.
	No.
	Okay.
	How much by the time you're done with college?
	So by the time, let's say you're 21 or 22, what's going to be your body count?
	I want to say like 40.
	So, okay, so double.
	Okay, got it.
	What about you guys?
	I don't know.
	I mean, I plan on staying at the same one.
	I don't know.
	I feel like I'm pretty picky of who I actually have sex with.
	Sure.
	So, like, it's not, I don't just, I don't feel like I just like, fuck whoever.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So we're going to end the show.
	We're going to react to Kiko's video here.
	Well, we're not ending the show yet.
	First, we have to react to Kiko's video.
	I do want to wait until she comes back.
	Eric, did we get any super chats?
	Oh, whoops, let me hide that.
	That are.
	No, okay.
	Well, while we wait for her to come back before we play the video, then we're going to wrap.
	Does anyone have any final thoughts or questions?
	This is your opportunity if you want to get something out.
	A dating, your hot take related to dating.
	Hot takes?
	Any hot takes?
	Most controversial dating opinion?
	Maybe you want to peg a dude.
	I mean, I don't know.
	Oh, wait, actually?
	I mean, now that you brought it up, like, I kind of want that power dynamic kind of thing.
	Like, in the doing it from the back, that sounds so funny.
	I would never be able to look at him again.
	Yeah.
	I would die.
	I would never be able to look at him.
	So you're saying you want to peg your boyfriend, basically.
	Would you respect your boyfriend after you pegged him, though?
	What's the question at hand?
	I mean, I think that if we ever actually went there, like realistically, yeah, I would still like he let me do that.
	I would respect him.
	But I'm just talking about, I'm trying to hit doggy one time in my life.
	Absolutely.
	Have you brought it up to your boyfriend before?
	Listen, after this show, I want you to call him up and be like, listen, I had a revelation on the whatever podcast.
	I want to bend you over and just clap them cheeks, you know what I'm saying?
	Actually, can you call him up right now on the show and ask him?
	Actually, no, no, no, no.
	We can't call him, but can you text him right now and ask him if he's down to be pegged?
	And by the end of the show, we'll see.
	Just text him.
	What's his name?
	Is it Cornelius?
	What's his name?
	It's Jonah.
	Jonah?
	Jonah the jackal.
	Okay, text him right now and be like, babe, babe, listen.
	I love you.
	Do you guys love each other?
	Yeah.
	Okay, babe, I love you.
	I want to peg you.
	Fulfill my fantasy.
	Honestly, I have.
	Oh, we like joke about it.
	Oh, shit.
	We would joke about it, but he has like always.
	Oh, not.
	But I always press it.
	You press.
	Jokingly.
	So, but you low-key actually want to peg a dude.
	Aka your boyfriend Jonah.
	I guess maybe.
	Into the mic, they can't hear you.
	Say it with your chest.
	Here, this is what remind me.
	What your name is again?
	Emily.
	Sorry, I'm terrible with the names.
	Emily.
	I want you to take a deep breath and say, I enjoy pegging men.
	Say it.
	I can't enjoy it if I've never done it, though.
	Say it.
	I hope to enjoy pegging men.
	Okay, all right.
	I don't know what I'm doing.
	All right, let's pull up the video and then.
	So, I'll just read it right now.
	Why not?
	Mac Mac, yo, thank you for the 50.
	What are you giving your husband that you have not given another man?
	How do you respect the title of the husband?
	You get last name ring in the heritance.
	Even if the husband gets a kid, he becomes second.
	Do you want it?
	Is this directed at someone?
	Does anyone want to answer really quick?
	Yeah, I mean, what am I giving my husband?
	I'm giving him the fact that I'm going to say I'm married to them, put my last name attached to theirs.
	Pretty sure they can't pop a baby out of their peenholes, so you're going to need me for that one.
	So, unless you figure out some way you're going to do that yourself, I would say it's kind of hard to negate, just skip over, besides the fact you're going to give them a kid.
	Like, that's not a whole entity being that you cannot produce on your own.
	Do the rest of the girls concur with Kiko's position?
	Concur.
	Do you concur?
	I mean, well, yeah, things that I wouldn't give another man would probably be a kid commitment for the rest of my life.
	Yeah.
	Have any of you seen Catch Me If You Can with Leonardo DiCaprio?
	Critically acclaimed film directed by Steven Spielberg.
	Nope.
	Video.
	Do you concur?
	Okay, all right.
	All right.
	Let's pull the video up.
	We're going to get the reaction.
	Which one is it?
	The Kiko pod video.
	Nope.
	It's on Twitter.
	It's the Twitter tab.
	We're just going to go straight to the chopped version.
	Full screen, though, first, before you.
	Okay.
	Chase, would you rather smash the hottest trans woman in the world or the oldest woman in the world?
	Honestly, bro, the oldest woman in the world, because then I wouldn't be gay.
	What?
	You really just want me to just whip you to fucking know?
	I swear to God.
	Are you like, Chase, how dare you be transphobic?
	Yes, actually.
	What the fuck do you mean?
	Yes, that was a good idea.
	Because if I had sex with a trans woman, I'd be having sex with a biological man, and I don't want to do that.
	The question is, that's not what you said, though.
	That's fine.
	Because I'd be gay if I had sex with a transition.
	That's not gay.
	And I don't care if you're doing this for like whatever, but like, shut the fuck up, actually.
	I'm doing that.
	You look like you have a woman.
	You don't have to be a single person.
	Why don't you reach anyone who's a bad person?
	Why don't you make me shut the fuck up?
	Because I have an opinion that differs from yours.
	This is like inception.
	I mean, that's really hateful.
	She's not.
	It would technically be homosexual.
	A trans woman is a biological man.
	Sue me.
	It's true.
	Dude, that's mean.
	I also know that's not a problem.
	It's not fucked up.
	It's real.
	That's true.
	Okay, if you guys want to respect gender identities, that's his, though.
	That's his sexuality.
	Any opinions you want, but I'm not allowed to say that.
	I'm not allowed to say that.
	Yes, from a biological woman who doesn't even have any trans friends, that was too fucking far.
	Yeah, you know what God said?
	It said he made the man and woman.
	He made the man and woman.
	I just told you I'm not gay.
	I'll pass on that.
	Thanks, though.
	Who knew that stating biological facts would make people walk off the show?
	Okay, that's the clip.
	Recently, that clip has gone crazy viral everywhere.
	A ton of people have been sharing it.
	I think Ben Shapiro retweeted it.
	A ton of more conservative outlets have shared it.
	First question, Kiko, would you date Chase?
	Absolutely not.
	Just into the mic, but absolutely not.
	Okay, so it's gone viral.
	It's been everywhere.
	Yeah, I know.
	What, I guess my question is, and Alia, you're welcome to, you know, if you want to share your thoughts on this, but do you have any thoughts?
	Yes.
	Your reaction to the clip?
	Yeah.
	Well, I'm glad we watched the full one at least because there's an edited one going around Twitter, which is not superly edited, but it is cut out a lot to where it makes it seem like he said one thing and I just got up and stormed out.
	I've, and to the people, yeah, to the people who messaged me, I've gained a lot of messages.
	If you want to come into my messages and we can talk about it in a cordial way, I have no problem doing so.
	My issue was, okay, if Chase would have got up in here and said, I choose to sleep with the oldest woman in the world rather than the hottest trans person, that's my preference, I wouldn't have said a damn thing.
	When you throw in it, because it's gay, because they are biological men, because that is a gay, that is a gay act.
	That is now turning into your opinion and no longer a fact, because there is many straight men who choose to sleep and date trans women, and that does not make them any less than a straight man.
	Now, to Chase, if that man is now gay, that's his personal opinion.
	That is Chase's opinion.
	That's all I was saying, is I'm not going to get up here on a podcast that has two plus million subscribers and start talking about the trans community.
	Oh, now.
	Well, back when, I'm not going to lie, back when it was posted, you had 2.1.
	So that's very interesting now that you have three.
	You had 2.1.
	No, I've had 3.8.
	I have a screenshot of it.
	Nope.
	I've had 3.8 for a while.
	Oh, really?
	Before I even started the podcast, we're slowly, we'll hit four, but in any case, that's kind of cool.
	Congratulations.
	Anyways, even worse, I'm not going to sit up here on a podcast with almost 4 million subscribers with not a single trans person present at the table and start having that conversation because I hope to have a future in California personally as well.
	So things like that are just, you can have your opinion.
	You can have your preferences.
	There's nothing wrong with that.
	His preference does not make him transphobic at all.
	I honestly would have never even brought up that word.
	Chase is the one who brought up the word transphobic.
	I never even would have mentioned that.
	I would have liked to not have taken it there.
	But yeah, I was super late for work.
	I was already telling everybody at the table I had to leave for work an hour previous.
	Conversation was starting to get to a topic that I was not comfortable being present with.
	Okay.
	and i'll do it again so do you so you think it's he was it's wrong to view it as as gay no No.
	I'm not saying that at all.
	He can view that as a gay act.
	It's wrong for him to sit up here and say that it's fact.
	It's a fact.
	That is his opinion.
	That is not a fact.
	Sure, can I ask you a question?
	Yeah.
	If a male and a male have sex, is that gay?
	Are we talking about two cis males?
	Two trans males?
	What are we talking about?
	Yeah.
	If there are two people who identify as males are having sex, then yeah.
	Can I just interrupt you really quick?
	I want to be very precise in the language I use here.
	When I use male, I mean something very precise.
	So I'm talking about sex.
	So male is in reference to sex.
	Now, there's discussion over man and woman, men and women.
	However, I'm asking you, if two males have sex, is that homosexual?
	Is that gay?
	I would, that's the thing.
	You can't be a cis male.
	No, here's the thing, though.
	You can.
	Yes, you can, yes.
	Yes, you can.
	And there's like a lot of evidence scientifically to back up the reality that assigned sex and gender are two different things, and gender is something created by human culture.
	And that's what sexuality is based on.
	I have a degree in biology, and that is a fact.
	And for him to say that we can't, you can't ask me that without me knowing the sexuality or things at play because that's what sexuality is all about, is what the genders and everything on top of that.
	I just, if you just say, oh, two chromosome males that have that, like, everything else, it also matters as well.
	But okay, I'm asking you if two males.
	So that's irrespective of their gender identity, if two males have sex, is that homosexuality?
	Is that gay?
	I'm not saying that it's wrong.
	I'm just asking you to do that.
	Is it two males who identify as males?
	Like, I don't know.
	It could be not homosexual sex.
	It could be fucking, I'm not even saying the hetero is the other way, but there's, it's not black and white, I guess is what I'm trying to say.
	And I would appreciate if people could understand that, just like how I'm not saying my opinions are a fact either.
	Okay.
	Does anybody have any thoughts on this?
	I have thoughts.
	Do you want to?
	I mean, I don't, like, it's pretty standard, right?
	So it's going to be hard for Brian in general to get a trans person on the podcast because it's less than 1% of the population.
	It might be growing.
	So that's just not likely to occur.
	That's the same argument that people make about trans sports.
	It's not really possible usually to recruit these folks to begin with.
	Before you continue, so I don't forget your first statement and you can go on.
	Okay, we just, it's not something we need to talk about to begin with, though.
	Yeah, I mean, we don't have to, but he just asked for my opinion.
	I would say, like, we should probably do away with gender.
	I think Americans are really ignorant about gender.
	They want to say that it's a social construct.
	They don't know the history of it.
	You all should look up Margaret Mead.
	What do you mean that gender is not a social construct?
	Because there's so much psychological evidence to back that up.
	Okay, psychological evidence made by old white men at universities that we all bought into.
	They decided to push this stuff down our throats.
	But I will say like Americans are just ignorant on the history of gender.
	There's a woman, Margaret Mead.
	She's an anthropologist.
	She observed that there were multiple genders in other cultures.
	They were all finite.
	There wasn't 72 genders, and it wasn't non-binary.
	It wasn't fluid.
	Other cultures, not typically an American culture, it could be a new thing.
	That's fine, right?
	But other cultures, there's been documented three genders, four genders.
	There's never been more than that.
	So like we like to say like gender is a social construct.
	Do we really know what that means?
	Are we educated on it?
	I just describe gender being a social construct just yet when you say that other cultures have a different understanding of gender than we do.
	Right.
	Okay.
	So you're backing up the reality that gender is a social construct.
	If we're going to call it a social construct, then we need to know the history of it.
	We can't just be like pontificating, coming out with 72 genders and entertaining the idea of being like non-binary, which is being fluid.
	You know what I mean?
	Is there a document that we have 72 genders?
	Yeah, I think that you're the person who's bringing that.
	Are you sure that's not just buzz things that were being thrown out?
	Like, I'm positive.
	There's even neo-pronouns right now.
	But like, it doesn't even.
	I think we're stuck on.
	Okay, but before you continue, this is starting to get into the debate where I think maybe we will see this a lot more, where maybe it's because if, I don't know where you, you could say you grew up in the Midwest, so maybe not.
	I grew up in San Francisco, so maybe I can recognize these things a little bit quicker.
	Even, I don't care if there's a written documented article or not, because it goes back so far now, where there's so many things that get thrown in conservatives' faces to make that the right or liberals or people who are the LGBT to seem insane, and they just bite onto it.
	Like, I remember I saw people really believing that LGBT people had a problem with Santa Claus being a man.
	Like, people will actually believe that that's a thing, and then it becomes this whole thing.
	There's not many people who are gender-fluid who believe they're 72 genders.
	I know, like, that's just straight, like shit to get thrown in your face to distract you from the real problems.
	Right.
	So, like, less than 1% of the population even identifies as trans, and then even less than that would identify as non-binary.
	It's like 0.29%, I think, of that particular demographic would even identify as non-binary.
	These are really infinitesimally small numbers.
	So, like, we keep accommodating society based on this very small pool of people.
	That's called minority influence.
	Like, honestly, I think it's just a pathway to something like much darker, something like transhumanism.
	But, like, these are very complex concepts that I don't think are like helpful necessarily to have on a podcast.
	I just think that there are two sexes, and most men would perceive it as some kind of gayness to be having sex with a trans woman.
	And most trans women still have a penis.
	Okay, that was unneeded last statement, but a lot of men.
	Hold on, hold on, like, most trans women still have a penis.
	What is your point with that statement?
	Most men who are wanting to have sex with trans women or something like that, like most men would probably consider that in some way, shape, or form gay.
	But that's their opinion.
	I have no fine with their preference or opinion is.
	My whole over point is the reason why this got brought up: I just wanted to clarify that I don't care.
	That's their preference.
	But if they want to get up on a podcast with 4 million people saying that, oh no, any single man who decides to do that is gay, that's where I have a problem.
	Don't make your opinion a fact, is all I'm saying, especially in front of 4 million people.
	Yeah.
	Is my whole point.
	He does not have to sleep with anyone trans.
	I would never call him transphobic for not wanting to sleep with a trans person.
	I probably won't end up ever sleeping with somebody trans in my life either.
	That's it's personal preference.
	It doesn't, it's just how Chase, and I'll even have people who agree with Chase, and they'll come in my comments saying, like, I agree with him, but the way he went about it was arrogant and wrong.
	That's all I'm saying, is you don't have to be a dick about it.
	He's blunt.
	He's blunt, but you don't have to be dick about it.
	You don't have to be dick about it.
	And I just want to say one quick thing, and I'll let you just come back in.
	So you said that your issue was that Chase was basically saying that it was a fact, right?
	And coming on the podcast and saying it.
	So are you saying that it's basically making the point that he's spreading fake news?
	I'm not saying he's spreading fake news.
	I'm just saying he's spreading hate.
	Because there is.
	I know men personally who would sleep or date a trans woman who are completely straight.
	They are straight men.
	They are.
	And I also know some men who would sleep with trans women.
	They are more bisexual on that more side.
	So I don't know if that's the reason why.
	So I'm saying it is hateful for him to get up here as a man and sit up here for those men who are straight and do hook up or date trans women.
	It's hurting the trans community.
	And that's how it turns out to being transphobic at my point.
	If he wants to sit up, I don't even give a fuck if he wants to sit up there with his homeboys and being like, yeah, I think that shit's gay, blah, blah, blah.
	Time and place.
	Time and place.
	What about lesbians who don't want to have sex with trans women?
	They're actually finding that this is a problem.
	Like they're, because there are.
	Nobody's making them have sex with transparency.
	Exactly.
	I'm not saying that's a problem.
	Trans women are out here minding their own business.
	Yeah.
	Not trying to force people to have sex with them.
	Right.
	Nobody's making lesbians have sex with trans women.
	Okay.
	And there are a lot of lesbians who love and date trans women.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But I'm saying, I think I understand where you guys are coming from.
	It's just that a lot of people do find some of these things to be problematic or interfering with the dating pool in general.
	But people would say the same thing about straight people, I think, as well.
	Yeah, but how is it interfering dating pool?
	Like you said, it's only less than 1% of people.
	Yeah, you're in the dating pool.
	It's not.
	It's just getting bigger.
	We're specifically talking about lesbians.
	Like they're getting irritated because they'll be on dating apps and there will be trans women there.
	Speaking as someone who has participated very heavily in the lesbian community, lesbians don't feel that way.
	Yeah, I've never heard this either.
	Literally one soul experience.
	Let me say my experience as well.
	Hold on, hold on.
	So you, as a woman who dates women, can speak for all lesbians.
	I'm saying that this is an issue that I hear from outside the community.
	I hear straight people say this, and I never hear lesbians say this.
	Right.
	Okay, like that's wonderful.
	But you, as a single woman who dates women, speak for all lesbians.
	Well, now we're trying to do that.
	But I can say that I've never heard a lesbian say that.
	Yeah, I mean, I would imagine it would be, I imagine they wouldn't be saying that because it's a very small percentage of the population.
	I get where you guys are coming from.
	But I think most of the, most of the arguments about transgenderism, like it's too much to get in depth on this podcast.
	Like we should have started on this topic.
	People are mostly just concerned about their children being indoctrinated.
	That's the biggest thing.
	That's what's so like when I hear that, I'm like, damn, like that's scary that you even think that's a possibility.
	That's not how this shit works.
	Maybe me, I might have been, I'm from San Francisco.
	Gay capital, I would like to claim of America at least.
	Was I influenced maybe a little bit by it?
	Maybe.
	But that's, there's the gay agenda, all that bullshit.
	When I hear that, I'm like, if anything, the people believing that sound very mentally unstable.
	Like they need to have some help because it's a lot of things going on in their own minds.
	It sounds like a lot of paranoia.
	A lot of things that just aren't true.
	It's not, it's not, I wouldn't say that it's paranoia.
	Like I think that's gaslighting a lot of parents.
	There is an element of indoctrination that's going on.
	I don't know when the last time you guys were in school, okay?
	But like even in Florida, that don't say gay bill, they compromised on the third grade.
	Why are we talking to children in the fourth grade about sex at all?
	Well, that bill grade four.
	Just from a factual standpoint, that bill was not about teaching homosexual or heterosexual sex to children.
	It was just about representation for children that do have two dads.
	They wanted some sort of form of representation in the classroom so they feel included.
	Which I don't think is as evil as you're making it out to be.
	I mean, I personally, I think everybody's entitled to their opinion.
	If you don't want to date a trans woman, you don't have to.
	That's more than fine.
	But that bill bringing that into it, it's not a don't say gay.
	It's just about representation for people that want to.
	That's not even like the title of the bill.
	Just one thing.
	We are, hold on.
	We are straying a little bit away from kind of the original thing, which was about the transgender stuff related to dating.
	Now we're getting into the don't say gay bill.
	I think we should try to bring it and I want to wrap up here in about five minutes, but go ahead.
	No, like it's too big of a topic to get into at the end of a podcast.
	But like it is unfair to concern parents who see that children are pretty easily influenced that they're adopting some of these things as an ideology when they're not capable of this abstract of thought until honestly, scientifically, until they're 25 to have that abstract of a thought.
	That's all that they're worried about.
	And I think that it's fair.
	But it's like, how can you not see that that's all they're worried about?
	How that doesn't stem from a place of hate or something else?
	Because we've had video games with these kids killing each other in these video games for years and we've already had so much evidence that let me finish.
	I'll let you finish.
	We have so much more evidence about a lot of other things that are having a terrible influence on our kids, much worse than them growing up to be transgender or gay.
	So if you're growing up, if you're raising a kid, let's bring this back to dating.
	Let's bring this back to dating.
	Let's bring this back to dating.
	We're not going to get any.
	We're going to lose our train of thought.
	But we need to bring it back.
	We're in the weeds here.
	We're in the weeds.
	It's already late.
	Yeah, it's not.
	So you can come on my podcast.
	I'm going to be down because I'm just like, we brought this up.
	Why would you wait till last 20 minutes?
	We were talking about other shit, but we are going to wrap.
	You can come on mine.
	Don't worry.
	But I'm getting harassed about this on my family's getting harassed about this on all social media.
	So if I have a chance to talk about this, I would love to actually speak about it.
	That's what everyone's been waiting about in this podcast this whole time.
	Well, we'll bring me in Chase's conversation.
	We'll bring Chase back on.
	I've already told you I'll be willing to go back on with Chase.
	Yeah, we'll do it.
	We'll do it.
	Just really quick, though, we got in the weeds a little there.
	I just want to wrap on this whole dating thing really quick and just kind of try to put end the conversation here shortly.
	So is it trans, for example, for me, right?
	I would not want to date a trans woman.
	Is that transphobic?
	No.
	No.
	However, there are a lot of people that would say it is.
	Well, we're not those people.
	I'm not saying you are.
	However, there is a narrative that is making its way into these sorts of conversations about if you wouldn't be willing to date a woman who's trans, someone who's born as a male, that makes you bigoted.
	Okay, well, I disagree with that.
	Yeah, I don't think that's transphobic at all.
	But there's people out there saying that.
	You got to get those people out higher than we all disagree with that.
	At the end of the day, trans people want to date people who reciprocally want to date them, just like the rest of us.
	Yeah.
	I agree.
	Yeah.
	I don't think it's transphobic for you to not want to at all.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Fair enough.
	Ultimately, though, I mean, kind of my view on this is I don't view this, and I think a lot of men don't, a lot of people rather don't view it this way too.
	We kind of not looking at gender, we look at sex.
	And if two males, if two males engage in sex, that is by definition and by fact, it is gay.
	It is homosexual.
	I'm not making a judgment call on that, but it is biology.
	You can look at it from the biological standpoint for sure, but the argument is coming from people who view biology and gender as two different things, which a lot of people do.
	So if you want to perceive it that way, that's fine.
	You don't have to have sex with a trans woman.
	But if people perceive it that way, they are not being forced to, and they're completely entitled to that opinion as well.
	Go ahead, Kiko, and then we'll.
	So you would find it, I'm not putting my opinions at all.
	You would find it gayer for a man to have sex with a transgender woman than a masculine-presenting, like lesbian woman.
	You would think that they're more gay for sleeping with the transgender woman than the very masculine-presenting biological woman just because of biology.
	Even if she's like wearing like, you know, snapback, sagging down to the ankles, just from that, just gay.
	But, you know, but it's a biological woman, is it not?
	Is it not a biological woman?
	So is that not.
	Wait, what is the question?
	What is I'm asking him if does he think it's into the mic?
	Into the mic.
	I'm asking him if he thinks that it's gayer for a straight man to sleep with a trans woman than for a gay for a straight man to sleep with a very obviously masculine woman.
	I have an answer for you.
	Women.
	This scenario is a man sleeping with two different women.
	Well, it's not.
	I agree.
	I personally agree.
	I totally personally agree with you.
	Into the mic.
	You got to go.
	I agree with you.
	But they're keeping coming from the standpoint that it's just biology.
	Biology is biology.
	As long as it has a coochie, it has a coochie.
	As long as it has this, that it was born with it.
	That's how it is.
	So in my eyes, I don't know.
	Personally, I think they're both women at the end of the day, but I would bat my eye at sexuality more if you're hooking up with people who present themselves masculine.
	But just because they're a woman.
	I'll answer your question.
	So it's not gay at all to hook up with either No, no, no.
	It's not gay at all to hook up with the lesbian, butch, tomboy, whatever.
	That wouldn't be gay at all.
	She meant butch.
	She meant butch.
	Even if she was butch, it would not be gay.
	Okay.
	You want to be gay?
	You're saying it'd be gay.
	You're saying that.
	In my personal opinion, I think either is gay, but I just don't understand how you could think.
	You think both are gay?
	No, I think neither.
	I think neither would be gay because they're both women.
	But I just don't understand from these men that come from this biological standpoint how you think you would be more straight for hooking up with a woman who identifies.
	I could even go as crazy, you know, as I don't like saying this because I think I would be kind of misgendering somebody who doesn't even exist.
	But like a non-binary woman, for instance, because she's a non-binary biological woman.
	You would feel more comfortable hooking up with her, even if she showcases herself out very masculine, very manly.
	That's still more of a heterosexual activity than someone who's transgender.
	Was she, or I don't know the terminology, was she born with a vagina?
	Yes.
	Is she biologically female?
	Yeah.
	That's not gay.
	Okay.
	Their presentation may appear more masculine.
	I was just curious.
	I thought about this.
	And I was just curious.
	So what, I guess my question is, you said that they're both women, right?
	So what is a woman?
	A woman is anyone who wants to identify as one.
	Does anyone else want to, I mean, I'll respond to that, but what is a woman?
	It's what they identify as.
	That's a circular law.
	You cannot.
	A cat is a cat because they are a cat.
	That's not like.
	Do we have the brain capacity and do we move like cats?
	No, Brian.
	So no, let's not use that as an example.
	If a man wants to sit up here and tell me he's a man, then he's a fucking man.
	I'm not going to waste my breath and my life trying to debate her on how she's not a woman.
	Like, why?
	I don't understand why you guys feel the need to be so obsessed with this topic.
	Like, you guys, straight men talk about this topic more than trans or LGBTQ.
	Yes, I guarantee it.
	From someone who has very heavily friends on both sides, my conservative friends talk about this topic so much more.
	Here, I want to let the other girls answer.
	So I asked, what is a woman?
	This isn't the gotcha.
	It's just a genuine question.
	What is a woman?
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Go ahead.
	I didn't have anything to say yet.
	But what is a woman?
	A person?
	No, but what is the definition of what is a woman?
	I don't know.
	I'm confused now.
	It's like.
	I understand what your argument is.
	If I come in and I say a woman is someone who was born biologically a woman, I understand that that's where you're coming from.
	And I agree, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
	But I personally, I, as an individual, respect trans people.
	I respect trans women.
	So I'm not going to come on here and invalidate them by saying that.
	I understand completely where you're coming from.
	But just from my personal preference, I don't feel comfortable doing that.
	Answering the question.
	Okay.
	Hey, that's okay.
	What about you?
	I'm just not really interested in having this conversation about trans people anymore because you seem very clearly committed to misunderstanding.
	Yeah.
	Well, I am trying to understand.
	I'm just trying to get people's perspectives, but oh.
	Alvin Sam super chatted $100.
	Can a minor identify as an adult?
	Can Asian identify as Latino?
	Get the point, Kiko?
	Alvin Sam, thank you.
	So what is a woman?
	I'm going to say what she said.
	I don't feel comfortable.
	I just feel like that's like not.
	I don't know.
	I feel like there's a better question that you could be asked that could be asked in this situation.
	And like, I do see where you're coming from, and I see your thought process.
	And like, I like I understand what you're trying to get from us, but I think we all respect the trans community enough in like invalidating that, like, telling they believe that they are woman or they're a man, transgender, whatever.
	And invalidating that is not, that's not our position.
	It's not our place to say what they can and can't be.
	Is where I was.
	Allie, what is a woman?
	Well, a woman is an adult human female.
	It's the same thing.
	Like, a man is an adult human male.
	XX chromosomes, that means you're a woman.
	There are people that are born intersex.
	They're an incredible minority.
	And, you know, men are humans who have XY chromosomes.
	But it's like, this is way too much to get into at the end of a podcast.
	Because at the end of the day, I respect trans people.
	Like, most of them are contributing members to society, right?
	Did you want to continue?
	No, it's just a closing statement.
	Like, I think that it's possible that they're being harmed more than they're being helped by, you know, validating an identity.
	Like, I think that there's a lot more statistics to talk about how these people are very high risk with mental illness or with things like drug abuse and things like that.
	And so, like, I just don't think that the answer to a lot of these psych issues is to get bottom surgery or top surgery or get on hormone therapy.
	But that's like so much more to get into than I could do at this point in time.
	Please.
	Please.
	It's 11.
	Yep.
	Well, I think we're going to end there.
	You see how far the termites have spread and how long and well they've dined.
	All right.
	So we got four super chats.
	I'll read these quick and then we're going to wrap.
	Yo, Black Eclipse.
	Thank you for the 50.
	We have Cheeks 50.
	Thank you for the 50.
	There are only two genders, man and woman, male and female.
	Facts, straight man sleeping with a trans woman is that.
	Stop this SJWBS.
	This is what the Western civilization is fighting over when we should focus on destroying our foreign enemies.
	Thank you, Cheeks.
	All right, we have Ryan the Eating Warrior with the 50.
	Thank you, man.
	Kiko is a science denier.
	Science denier.
	Okay.
	We have Mike Davis with the $50 Soup Chat.
	Thank you, Mike Davis.
	Mike Davis now identifies as Kiko.
	Please refer to me by my pronouns.
	Hyena Chihuahua.
	Do you have a response to Mike Davis here?
	Mike, the offer still stands.
	You can cash at me for a conversation any day.
	All right, there we go.
	Okay, we're going to wrap up.
	Let's see here.
	We have, okay.
	All right, guys.
	That was a long show.
	So thank you for tuning in tonight.
	Thank you all for watching.
	You could have been doing anything else, but you were here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Oh, okay.
	All right, we'll get it really quick if you can pull that up.
	Saul Moss, the two aren't mutually exclusive.
	You can respect the community while still acknowledging universal truths.
	In fact, it's honestly best to do it that way.
	We need core truths to build a society's foundation on.
	You get chaos otherwise.
	Hey, Saul Moss.
	Thank you, man.
	If you want to just pull it up, I don't know if it's there.
	Yeah, let me just finish the wrap.
	Okay, so.
	Thank you to everyone who super chatted and supports the show, especially since YouTube and TikTok has us demonetized.
	There it is.
	Hey, Saul, thank you, man.
	You can hide it, Eric.
	I got a wrap.
	yeah so uh thank you guys for tuning in um sorry the super chat kind of uh thank you to all our chat mods Big thank you to our panel.
	We went a bit late once again.
	So thank you to the panel for coming.
	It was a heated and lively discussion.
	As always, it seems to be the case.
	Anyways, guys, we will be live again Sunday at 7 p.m. Pacific.
	Thanks again for tuning in.
	We'll see you guys next time.
	Have a good night, guys.
	And yeah, we'll see you soon.

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