Whatever Podcast - Dating Talk #22

Feb. 3, 2023 - Whatever Podcast

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Dating Talk #22

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	Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast coming to you live from Isla Vista, Santa Barbara County, California.
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	So we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, occupation, and/or school major.
	Me.
	Okay, my name's Kiara.
	I'm 22 and I'm a bartender downtown.
	I'm Justine.
	I'm 19 and I'm currently a student at UCSB studying political science.
	I'm Alana.
	I'm 18.
	I work at a boutique and I'm going to SBCC to study journalism.
	I'm Megan.
	I'm 20 and I'm a student at UCSB.
	What are you studying?
	Psych and Brain Sciences.
	Okay.
	I'm Assault.
	I'm 18 and I'm unemployed right now and I go to SPCC.
	My major is criminology.
	Hi, I'm Jay.
	I'm 19.
	I go to UCSB and I'm a sociology major.
	Hi, I'm Esther.
	I'm 20 and I'm a psych and brain sciences major at UCSB.
	Hi, I'm Yukina.
	I'm 21.
	My majors are going to UCSB as well.
	Okay, sweet.
	So all the girls' Instagrams are in the description.
	Show them some love, give them a follow.
	So, by the way, do you go to UCSB or did you go to UCSB?
	I go to UCSB.
	Okay.
	Really quick, just show of hands.
	I think everyone here is at UCSB besides two of you go to CC?
	Is that who goes to UCSB?
	Show of hands?
	Okay, cool, cool.
	So I have a question on that shortly here.
	Actually, no, I'll ask it now.
	So, do those of you who go to UCSB, when it comes to dating, do you look down upon men who go to Santa Barbara City College?
	Definitely.
	We'll start over here.
	Well, I don't look down upon men who go to SBCC, but I am 22, so most men at SBCC are like 18, 19.
	So it's not really my vibe anymore.
	But no?
	Okay.
	Start libral?
	Definitely not.
	Like, you don't understand, or you don't know their situation or whatever.
	Everyone's, you know, just treat everyone equally.
	Sure.
	You go to SBCC, so.
	Actually, you can weigh in.
	I mean, do you have, do you know this?
	Do you prefer the guys at UCSB?
	You prefer the guys at SBCC?
	Well, UCSB just started, but a lot of people say to talk to boys that go to UCSB, not the CC, because.
	Why is that?
	I don't know.
	They say they're immature, but I've been find out myself, so I don't know.
	Is it your first year at SBCC?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you're still feeling things out?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	There's already plenty of guys at UCSB, so I haven't really had the chance to meet any SBCC people, but so far it's good.
	Okay.
	I'm also with Alana on this one.
	Everyone says talk to guys that go to UCSB, but right now I'm okay with SPCC boys.
	So have you two had any bad experiences with any guys at SBCC?
	With me, I guess like some boys just are a little too over in their head at SBCC, just from the ones that I've talked to.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I don't really care.
	I know a lot of people do.
	Like that's kind of a thing that you don't talk to SBCC boys.
	It's just like stay away.
	I don't know.
	I have no opinion.
	Okay.
	Esther?
	I'm with Kiara on this one.
	I mean, they're only a year younger than me, but I feel like that's still.
	They're younger than me.
	Sure.
	Not my vibe as well.
	I never met, actually, I never met the SBCC guys yet because I'm a transfer student and I don't know.
	Let's see.
	From where are you a transfer student from?
	From OCC, Orange Coast College.
	But you're an international student, right?
	Yep.
	From where?
	From Japan.
	Oh, cool.
	Yes.
	Cool, cool.
	So we're going to go around the table again.
	Current relationship status, longest relationship, and are you on any dating apps?
	That includes seeking arrangements, by the way.
	I am currently single.
	The longest relationship I was in was for three years.
	And I have a few apps downloaded, but my, like, I'm hidden right now.
	That counts.
	I'm single.
	My longest relationship, less than a year.
	I can't even count.
	And I'm not currently on any dating apps.
	I was, but not right at this moment.
	But you were previously on dating apps.
	Which ones?
	Tinder.
	That's really good.
	Just Tinder?
	Christian Mingle?
	No.
	Not my vibe.
	Farmers only.
	Farmers Only.
	That's a good one.
	Go ahead.
	I'm single.
	My longest relationship was six months, and I'm banned from Tinder.
	Did you know why?
	It's because I didn't think I was old enough, and that's because I got it when I was 16.
	So I wasn't old enough, but now I am.
	Hold on.
	You were on Tinder when you were 16.
	Yes.
	And you're 19 now?
	I'm 18.
	You're 18.
	Okay.
	So you got some dudes in trouble or what?
	Well, I didn't actually hang out with them.
	It was just fun to like swipe.
	It was just fun to swipe.
	Yeah.
	Actually, I want to add something.
	You know what?
	We'll go around the table, but I do want to add a question to the dating app thing, so go ahead.
	Currently single, I'm not on any apps, and longest relationship was less than a year.
	Okay.
	I'm currently single.
	Wait, so two weeks?
	No, less than a year.
	So it was a two-week.
	No, it was like six months.
	Okay, so go ahead.
	I'm currently single, but I had like a fling, but I wouldn't call it a relationship because it was like technically a 30-day free trial.
	So I felt that.
	Wait, it was a 30-day free trial.
	Yeah, because it didn't pass the month.
	So that was your longest less than 30 days.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Oh, did you say any dating apps?
	No dating apps.
	No.
	Have you ever, you've never been on one?
	No, absolutely not.
	Seeking arrangements?
	None recently.
	Well, hold on, hold on.
	So you were on seeking arrangements?
	Like, no, What?
	Huh?
	No, I wasn't.
	I wasn't.
	Sorry.
	Okay, go ahead.
	I'm not on the market.
	So you have a partner?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That's all.
	What was that question?
	Next question?
	Longest relationship, and are you, well, if you're currently in a relationship, I don't suspect that you're on any dating apps, but you could answer that.
	Were you on any dating apps in the past?
	No, not really, no.
	I like had it, but I never, it was always private.
	I just like on the dating apps?
	Yeah, like you can like switch it off.
	Is that how you met your current boyfriend?
	No.
	Okay.
	And you said your longest relationship was?
	Oh, like all together?
	So was it on again off again?
	Yeah, like, two weeks.
	Wait, hold on.
	All together, like eight months.
	Oh, okay.
	Wait.
	So your longest.
	So you guys broke up every fortnight.
	Every 14 days, you guys would break up, is what you're saying?
	So the longest you've ever had was two weeks?
	No, there's like other people, but I don't say I dated them, but they say they dated me, so I don't care.
	You're gonna, okay, you gotta explain that one a little bit.
	I just, um, like, what do you want me to explain about it?
	Like, why don't I don't say that?
	Well, you said you weren't dating them, but they would say that they were dating you.
	Yeah, I didn't really like them.
	Did you sleep with them?
	Uh, no.
	Okay, moving on.
	Esther.
	Okay, so I'm currently single.
	My longest relationship was about a year, and I'm not on any dating apps right now.
	Have you ever been on one?
	Yeah, when I was traveling, I just wanted to scope out what was happening.
	Okay.
	All right.
	You keen up?
	Me, the longest relationship was two years.
	And then since that long relationship, I am single.
	I don't use anymore.
	I was using the Apple Tinder in a Bumble before, but I don't use anymore right now.
	Okay, cool, cool.
	So I'd mentioned as we were kind of going around, we talked a little bit about dating apps.
	So have any of you, those of you who have at some point been on a dating app, have you, any of you never met a guy in person from a dating app?
	Like never met?
	Yeah, never met up in person.
	I've never, no.
	But you've had a dating app, but you've never met up with anybody.
	What about you?
	I met up with only one out of like however long I was on it because I don't trust men.
	You don't trust men?
	Like you really have to convince me and out of all the guys, I guess one did.
	The guy has to convince you to meet up.
	How did he convince you?
	Just like trust.
	How many months was he talking to you before you finally met up with him?
	That might be an exaggeration, but.
	It was like a week of like talking and then he was like, let's hang out.
	And I was like, do I?
	And then I literally told him, convince me.
	And then he convinced me.
	Yeah.
	You told him, convince me.
	Yeah.
	And what was his response when you said, convince me?
	Was he like, fuck you?
	Or was he like, no, here's all my good.
	It was really sweet.
	Like, it wasn't like a scary thing.
	Like, just a sweet guy, responsible, nice, just overall, really great guy.
	I want to ask the table this.
	If you were talking to a guy and he said, convince me to date you, what would your response be to that?
	I wouldn't even respond.
	It would be like a laughing emoji.
	What would you think of him if he said that?
	I think he's out of his fucking mind.
	Like, or a guy to do it?
	No, you're out of your mind.
	It's like, we're the prize here.
	Women are the prize.
	Why is that?
	I don't know.
	You just have to, like, really make yourself worthy enough for me to talk to you and like spend my, like, give you my attention.
	And if you're not worthy enough, then on to the next.
	I'm going to come back to that really quick, but I want to just go around the table on my question.
	So what would your response be if a guy said, you're talking to him, you know, you're both kind of interested in each other, but he says, convince me to meet up with you or convince me to date you?
	I would do the same, and I would just not respond.
	Not respond as well.
	I would not respond.
	LOL.
	I wouldn't respond.
	And I'll respond.
	Okay, there you go.
	There you go.
	I also do have to say, it was mostly a joke.
	Like, convince me is just kind of me being like sarcastic and funny and like, oh, convince me, and maybe I'll go.
	you know and then it's like you sure about that i mean It was a joke?
	Usually, a lot of things I say is like nothing I say serious with men sometimes.
	So I'm like.
	Or are you walking it back now that all the girls at the table said they clown on the guy for doing that same exact thing?
	Personality, I just, I'm very sarcastic.
	And then they actually give me the energy I wanted, I guess.
	Like they go along with the jokes, you know?
	And then that's when it's like, oh, cool.
	Okay.
	So you're the prize.
	I don't know.
	Why?
	You know, my mom always told me to, like, go for a guy who just, who really respects you and just.
	OK, next question, sorry.
	Okay, so, but you said, so what, I guess since you're the prize, what see, that was like mostly a joke again.
	Like, I just, nothing I say is serious.
	I don't know.
	Okay, fair enough.
	I do want to open this up to the rest of the panel, though.
	When it comes to relationships, interacting with men, who do you consider to be the prize?
	If you even view it in that way, go ahead.
	I don't view either of us to be a prize.
	Scoot the microphone that way towards you, just perfect.
	That way?
	Yeah, perfect.
	Good.
	Go for it.
	No, I don't view either of us to be a prize, especially being bisexual, dating women.
	Oh, you're both.
	Yeah.
	So it's like, I don't know.
	Let me ask you a question on that.
	Is anyone else here bisexual?
	I don't know.
	Answering that question.
	Just you two?
	Okay.
	So just a real quick question on that.
	Do you prefer dating men or women?
	Or dealing with men or women?
	Women.
	Okay.
	And what about you?
	Woman.
	And really quick, just why?
	Well, like, nowadays especially, about 60 to 70% of men are, I would say 50, I'll make it even lower for you guys, of men are incels.
	And you just gotta wait.
	50% of men are involuntary celibate.
	Yeah.
	So they're just hard to deal with.
	Like, they're just so hard to deal with.
	I've never really connected as deeply with a man as I have a woman before.
	Sure.
	I don't know if it's the men I'm seeking out, probably.
	But yeah, overall easier to deal with women than men in my experience.
	Okay, and what about for you?
	Actually, to go back on that, equally, I like both because they both have their issues, you know, men and women.
	So you get what you get, you know, like you just have to go through and find a good woman or a man, so.
	Okay, fair enough, fair enough.
	Just really quick on that too.
	When y'all go on a date with a woman, who pays for you two?
	When I'm on a date with a woman?
	Yeah, who pays?
	It depends.
	Is this like a first date?
	Like first meeting?
	First date, I never paid for a first date, no.
	How many of the women you've dated that you've had first dates with, like how many first dates with women would you say you've had?
	Like probably five.
	Five?
	And you've never paid on any of those?
	No.
	So they always asked you out?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	Where did you meet them?
	San Francisco, my hometown.
	Okay.
	I haven't.
	I've dated one girl from out here.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I feel like it's usually they are asking me out on dates.
	So whoever's asking out on the date is paying for the date.
	I'm not paying for something if you asked me to join you.
	Okay, we'll talk about that later.
	So I want to bring it back to the prize thing.
	So did you get to answer that?
	So how do you view the prize?
	Who's the prize dynamic?
	I feel like it should be equal.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	I don't think there is one at all.
	It's just we both bring things to the table.
	So there's not who's more worthier and stuff.
	I also agree with her on that.
	I think it kind of depends like what you're going into it for.
	Like if you're looking for a hookup, I guess like both parties are a prize because it's like you want the same thing or I guess the hookup is the prize.
	But like in terms of relationship, I don't think there's like exactly like this is like she's a prize, whatever.
	I mean like guys will be like, oh like she's a dime, she's a prize, whatever, which is like nice, but I don't think it's like an actual thing like people think about.
	Yeah, I think it's an entirely mutual decision.
	Like you, if you're both interested in each other, you both want to pursue each other.
	And then sometimes it happens in situations when one person is more interested in the other.
	But we can see across cultures how some are more male dominated.
	So maybe the more Eastern cultures, it's still viewed that way.
	I don't agree with it, but it's just how it is.
	And in more Western cultures, we've shifted to a more equal perspective, which I think I'm more on board with.
	I'm the same as her, like equal.
	Yeah.
	Okay, cool, cool.
	So you were the only one that, if I recall, that is currently in a relationship.
	Is that right?
	Is anybody else in a relationship?
	Everyone else is single?
	Okay, all the single ladies.
	So a lot of you said you were single.
	I feel like this term single, it's a very vague term.
	So especially in 2022.
	So I'm curious.
	When's the last time that you've hooked up with somebody?
	What day is it today?
	Thursday?
	Tuesday.
	Tuesday.
	Third, Tuesday.
	Yes.
	Like four days ago?
	Four days ago?
	Okay.
	I cannot disclose.
	Okay, fair enough.
	It depends what your definition of hookup is.
	Slept with someone.
	Okay.
	Like two months ago.
	Sure.
	I'll pass.
	Okay.
	Last week.
	We already know her.
	Okay, Esther.
	I'll pass.
	Okay.
	I'll pass.
	All right.
	I think the answer to that is last night.
	Okay, I'm just kidding.
	So I want to, this is kind of like the last one before I get into some of the more specific topics for tonight.
	We have a couple video reactions too.
	So hold on, guys.
	Let me pull this up here really quick.
	So before I get into the questions, is there anything dating related that you want to get off your chest?
	So just to give you guys a couple prompts, maybe you recently had a bad date experience.
	Men are pissing you off in some way.
	Or I guess for you two, women are also pissing you off in some way.
	There's a trend in dating that annoys you.
	Frustration when it comes to dealing with men.
	Anything you just want to get off your chest, dating related.
	Go ahead.
	Well, I don't know.
	I don't even know how to sum it up.
	But like, if somebody has a conversation with you about what they want with you, be it something exclusive or not exclusive, don't be mad if you try to change their mind and it doesn't work.
	That makes sense.
	Yeah.
	Sort of.
	So like if I tell you we're hooking up and we're not going to date, don't try your hardest.
	So we're going to date because I'm not going to change my mind.
	We're not going to date.
	Oh, so this is you?
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	She belongs to the screen.
	Just kidding.
	I'm just kidding.
	But so, and so you're not looking for anything serious?
	Not right now, no.
	I'm 22.
	I bartend downtown.
	You're lying to yourself if you think you're going to have a serious relationship while you're partying in IV or partying downtown over here, in my opinion, from what I've seen.
	At some point in the future, do you want a serious relationship, you think?
	I don't know, maybe.
	Being alone right now.
	Okay.
	Do you want kids?
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	Okay, fair enough.
	I guess just like don't get people's hopes up and like treat it like a relationship when it's not and like you know it won't be but you're like getting the other person's hopes up that it will be eventually and then it doesn't happen and then it just ends badly and I think that's really mean.
	Did you have an experience or?
	I will not disclose.
	Was it so was it you doing that or was it the guy doing that?
	I just think it's like a universal experience for a lot of people.
	So the other person kind of playing that they're looking for something serious, but really they're just keeping you around for sex, essentially.
	That too, yeah.
	That too?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	The only problem, problem with dating I have like at our age is that dating is not even a thing.
	Like when you're older, you go out on dates, you don't have to like them, you get to know them, and then you might stop talking after that.
	But like our age, it's just hooking up.
	And then maybe after hooking up, you'll date.
	But like it's always like you hook up first.
	Okay.
	And are you you dislike that it's kind of straight to hook up?
	Do you want to do the kind of more traditional courtship, let's say?
	Not right now, but like it'd be nice if it was an option.
	It would be nice if it was an option.
	Yeah.
	How so?
	Like I'm busy right now.
	I can't.
	And I can't put like I'm good alone right now and I don't want to like add someone to that if I can't give them my attention.
	But a year from now maybe I'll want to go on a date but it's going to be SBCC and UCSB boys.
	Who and maybe they don't want that.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	And just really quick around the table, do any of you Well, this might have already been some of your guys' things that you wanted to say as we went around, but do any of you dislike the hookup culture and that there's a lack of going on dates?
	I dislike the hookup culture because it's just like having sex with no feelings or connection is meaningless and I just don't think it's fun.
	And for like dating, me personally, I date to marry.
	That's why I've never dated anyone before because I always want to know so I don't get let on because everyone just wants to hook up.
	Wait, you date to marry?
	Yes.
	How old are you, by the way?
	I'm 18, but you know, like you date for a couple of years and then because it's never too early.
	So you want to get married?
	Yes.
	Like if you met the right guy, you'd get married in three years or something.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And you want to have kids pretty soon or when?
	No.
	Ever?
	I despise kids, but like I'm open to the option.
	Okay.
	And why, so why do you want to get married?
	I want to get married because I think when you find a significant other that you want to spend the rest of your life with, it's better than just going on dates with random boys and trying the same conversation over again.
	What's your favorite color?
	Like you don't want to keep saying that.
	Like I'm over it.
	I don't care about your favorite color.
	You get that a lot on dates, favorite color?
	Yes.
	What?
	What?
	okay i don't know why any guy would ask that but anyways uh so but what you said you want to be married like couldn't you achieve that through a long-term relationship Or like just a life partner?
	Just, I don't know, because for me, my, mostly because my mom always says date to marry, and because that's what she did.
	And she says it's like you could develop a better connection that way.
	So you guys are committed to each other.
	Is your mom, is she religious?
	Yes.
	What?
	Christian?
	We're Christian.
	Okay.
	Date to marry.
	And so thus far in your life, have you adhered to the date to marry principle or not so much?
	I didn't date anybody because I was waiting until I become of like a certain age to start dating to go into marriage.
	Yeah.
	So have you wait, but hold on.
	But you've gone on dates, it sounds like, because you're a couple of colour things.
	Given a try, but because once you talk to them and you feel the vibe, you know, you don't know if you're like connecting with that person and if you are comfortable with them.
	So you just never go on another date till, yeah.
	Okay.
	Fair enough.
	Fair enough.
	Did you want to come in on this?
	Yeah.
	I think like hookup culture, it could like go like you could it could like be good.
	I think like in college especially like there's kind of like you know some negative connotation around it.
	But I think if you look at it like in a way where you're prepared for hookup culture and you're not going it, going into it like outside of your boundaries, that's usually when there's like a problem because like, a lot of people can learn a lot about themselves or like their sexuality or like about people and what they like really like when they're like meeting people dating, hooking up, whatever.
	And if like, you go into hookup culture like wanting to date someone, that's usually when it's a problem because it's like you know, like that's not usually what peep the other party wants.
	So it's kind of just like you need to set your boundaries, like to see how you like really feel about hookup culture and dating in general.
	Sure, go ahead.
	For me, like I grew up with Japanese culture and then we do a little bit of hookup culture between like college students maybe, but I've never been like college in Japan, so I cannot say like yes or not, but like hookup.
	I'm tired of hookup culture because, like a lot of guys asking me like, like are you Asian?
	And then, like they just want to fuck me, like on Tinder, like on the Bumble or on the Instagram, they just want to fuck me, and then they just ask me like, you want to come over at night always, even if I want to date with this guy, but he just want to fuck me because I'm Japanese.
	And then you know, Japanese culture has more like porn or something like guys think about fetish.
	Yeah, fetish it's.
	It's still stupid, like I'm tired of it I'm.
	I mean, there's definitely guys who have like fetishes for Asian women, but I would, I would suspect, if you ask the rest of the panel, I think guys just want to fuck, period.
	I don't know if it has so much to do with you being Japanese, but but you are right.
	Guys just, especially on the dating apps, they kind of just want to come over, let's fuck anyways.
	Okay, so did you want to come in?
	Or well like, because I, the hookup culture here is definitely strong.
	It's strong in any college town, but it's just strong anywhere.
	Coming to this age, where you're a lot of you guys are just, you know, first year or second year out of high school, where it was more taboo to talk about, but it's like you just have to like, yeah, there's a lot of guys out there, that's all they want to do, but then there's also a bunch of guys out there who probably would like to take you on a few dates and Get drinks and do that, so you just have to like s like sought them out too.
	It's like it's like I said earlier, it's the guys you're attracting or approaching.
	And then also, like, one last thing with us all said earlier about dating to marry.
	I remember saying that too before, but then you kind of always keep this opinion, but then you'll realize when you get older, you kind of date for experiences because you can't know what you like in a long-term relationship or what you want in a partner until you kind of actually experience it firsthand.
	So, I kind of used to date to marry, and obviously, that's like the long-term goal of any relationship.
	But sometimes you have to date to see what you even really want.
	You want them to come in?
	Go ahead.
	Had on to what you're saying.
	I feel like everyone, like people come into college with different levels of emotional maturity.
	And so, I think the problem with hookup culture is that people come into it with different expectations, but then all want like sort of like they all experience things with people with each other, but then no one wants the same things because no one, people at this age, I feel like don't really know what they want.
	So, some people come and just say, Oh, I want to hook up, but then this other person might say, might think, Oh, like I might want to hook up, but then through that, learn that, oh, they actually want to date, but during that process, someone gets hurt.
	So, that's like the issue where people don't really know what they want.
	But through the, like, under the I don't know, the claim of, oh, I just want to experience things, realize that, oh, that's actually not what I want at all.
	Okay, let's just move on from this.
	So, I think going back to the anything dating-related you want to get off your chest, you went right.
	Did you get an opportunity?
	What's that?
	I kind of just went.
	So, that was your thing?
	Yeah, okay, go ahead.
	Sorry, what was the question?
	So, yeah, it's just kind of going back a couple little things.
	So, is there anything dating-related you want to get off your chest?
	So, maybe you recently had a bad date, men are pissing you off in some way, there's a trend in dating that annoys you, or women are pissing you off in some way since you're by?
	I think everything, so because since I've been on just like a couple of dates with some people, I so I feel bad when we're going on a date and like they have to pay for everything.
	Like, pretend you're going to the movies, and so my mom always said, like, try to split, you know, don't make them do everything, like, be equal.
	So, like, if we're going on like a movie date, like you get the snacks, or I'll get the tickets, or you get the tickets, I'll get the snacks.
	So, they don't think, like, you know, I'm because some men just think, oh, they're after my money.
	So, I just don't want them to think that.
	So, your issue with dating is like you're frustrated that you have to split or would.
	I'm frustrated that they just like, if you don't offer to, like, you know, split, they assume that you're a gold digger.
	But men are assuming if the woman doesn't offer to split.
	Yeah.
	That's been your experience?
	Yes.
	I don't know if guys are.
	I think it's nice for a woman to offer to split.
	But I think women should pay for men actually.
	No, I'm kidding.
	Never.
	No, you wouldn't.
	No?
	If we're in a relationship, sure, like you might get the tickets, you all get popcorn, but no.
	Maybe it's your birthday.
	By the way, I was being a bit.
	Women should not pay for the guy, but I think paying for your own check, I think is the go-to move.
	But you disagree, so why is that?
	Paying my own check?
	Yeah, so you go on a date, let's say you go for dinner.
	And we split checks.
	Yeah, whatever.
	You get a wings and he gets a hamburger.
	He pays for the burger.
	You pay for the wings.
	Never, either it's gonna be if we're in a relationship, if it's the first day, I told you I'm not paying for a first date.
	But if we're in a relationship, even if you ask, which apparently you've never done.
	If I ask for what?
	Does what the check?
	No, if you ask the guy or the girl out on the date, which apparently you've never done.
	Yeah, if I ask them, then sure.
	But you don't, I don't see that happening.
	Okay, so in the so whoever should pay is what he said.
	Yes.
	But like if me, my boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever, we just want to go out and get some ice cream, whatever.
	Yeah, maybe I'll pay for the ice cream.
	Maybe you'll pay.
	But like, that's not a problem for me, but like a sit down, like it's our anniversary or something.
	No, I'm not paying for that.
	Anniversary, the guy should pay.
	What about Valentine's Day?
	Are you expect?
	What do you expect on Valentine's Day?
	I always give a gift on Valentine's Day.
	What's the gift?
	It depends on the person.
	is it an actual gift or is it just no we have actual gifts Okay.
	Yeah.
	Some girls are going to be like, I'm going to fuck you on Valentine's Day.
	I'm like, okay.
	No.
	That's your gift?
	Okay.
	No, I remember like last time I ex, I think I got him like two new PlayStation controllers or something and like some V-Bucks.
	I don't even know what the hell they were doing back then.
	V-Bucks.
	That tells you how my last relationship went.
	Okay, so he played video games.
	Wow, there's a lot of stuff I want to touch on there.
	But the guy should pay.
	Let's go around the table on this.
	Who should pay on the first date?
	I mean, if the guy asked me out on a date, I would expect them to pay, but I would also offer all the time.
	Like every time, I've always been like, oh, I can also pay for my thing.
	The offer's always going to be there for me.
	Like, I'm always going to offer.
	And then they'll either say like, sure, or like, no, I got it.
	So you would overtly offer.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So.
	And then if they like take me up on that offer, I would be a little bit like, oh, okay.
	But usually they don't.
	Wait, so what you offer, the guy's like, sure, okay, cool.
	And I'll just.
	And you'll feel a certain type of way about that.
	I'll be like, oh, like, you asked me on this day, and you're not going to.
	It's fine, though.
	It's fine, though.
	I like understand people's situations where they like might not be able to pay, which is understandable.
	So.
	So would you, and you said you might, would that be something that's going on in your head, like a thought process?
	Or you would actually be like, hold on.
	You would tell him, hey, I was kind of just, it was a polite gesture.
	I wouldn't, like, I don't actually want to pay.
	I mean, I wouldn't tell them that.
	Okay.
	In your head, you'd be like, negative, so negative.
	Yeah.
	Point off.
	Point off.
	Okay.
	Alana?
	I think that if he asks me out, then he should pay.
	And if I like make the plans, then I should pay.
	Okay.
	I think it's kind of like for the first date, if the guy asks, the guy should pay.
	But then usually that will, whether, depending on how that goes, if it goes well, and then I'll ask, oh, this actually went really well.
	I really look forward to seeing you again.
	And then I'll like, you know, something else would happen, and then I would pay for that one.
	So I think it's kind of a back and forth thing because splitting, I don't know, I feel a little bit awkward like splitting a check or something the first date.
	So I'd much rather, if that person, the other person carried, like, covered the first one, I'll just do the second one.
	What if there isn't going to be a second date?
	You're just not interested.
	Are you going to split then?
	I kind of use it as like a sign.
	So if it went, I didn't really like it.
	I'll say, oh, is it like, I'm down to just splitting it?
	And then that's kind of a sign of, oh, there's going to be no second date.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	For me, it would be, so if you're going out to, if a guy asks you out to dinner and he does pay for the like the dinner, the whole thing, when we go get dessert, I'll be like, dessert is on me.
	Or like, you know.
	You're so romantic.
	I am a hopeless romantic, sadly.
	But I was like, dessert is on me.
	And I personally know some people might be going through some situations.
	So, like, going back to the movies thing, like, if you are paying for my tickets, I'll be like, yes, I got the snacks.
	And I'll, and then maybe dinner after the movie, I don't know.
	Like, if he gets to dinner and then we go get dessert.
	So everything just, like, that's just how I personally feel.
	With first dates, I feel like you're not usually going on like these really elaborate dates.
	At least for me, like, most of the ones I've gone to, it's like you're getting ice cream or you're going to get like Froya or Boba or something.
	So like it makes sense if the guy would want to pay because it's not like insanely expensive.
	I think if you're going on like an expensive first date, you might at least want to be like, oh, do you want me to pay half or something?
	Like obviously I haven't had to do that.
	But yeah, it just kind of depends.
	Like it's all like situational.
	Don't be like a bitch about it.
	Like, you know, like, oh, yeah.
	The guy should not be a bitch.
	No, I mean like both.
	Like, I mean, like, a lot of the times, like, if someone asks, like, your friends, like, oh, how'd the date go?
	Like, oh, he didn't fucking pay or something.
	Have you had that conversation before?
	No.
	Okay.
	No.
	Like, I don't know.
	If like you like him enough or something, like from the first date and like you want half seas or something, like, okay.
	Like, and if you didn't like him from the first date and he didn't pay, then don't talk to him.
	Like, I don't really know.
	Sure.
	Esther?
	I would say whoever's asking the other person out has the responsibility of paying.
	Whether like if I'm asking someone out, then I'll obviously pay.
	And then if they ask me out, then I'll pay.
	But also the splitting the check is the, it's awkward.
	Like, you know, you have to tell the waiter what.
	Wait, Esther, can you do a posture check?
	Just your face is getting blocked by the microphone, so we wanted to see your face, but go ahead.
	Yeah, and I won't do the splitting the check just because of the awkward interaction.
	So I'll try to get something after, like, ice cream or like, yeah, pay them back in another way.
	Like, sure.
	Me, I want Guy to pay.
	Honestly.
	But, like, I want to respect him too.
	So sometimes I ask him, like, should I pay?
	Like, you know, like, should we, like, split the bill?
	But to be honest, after, like, after finish the dating, I feel better when guys pay for me.
	Because, yeah, I don't know.
	because, I don't know, he looks...
	I don't know, this is maybe Asian culture?
	The guys more hub of power.
	And I feel like, I don't know, when guys pay, it looks more cool.
	I don't know.
	It's a really bad way to say, but yeah, I personally want to pay.
	You want the guy to pay.
	Okay.
	So really quick, would it be if the guy said that he asked you out on the date, the end of the date comes, you were otherwise having a good time.
	But the guy at the end says, hey, let's split the check.
	Is it a wrap?
	Really quick, just yes or no?
	Yes.
	No.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	No.
	No.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So my next question is then.
	Have you ever asked a guy out on a date?
	No.
	Yes.
	You have?
	Yeah.
	How many times?
	Two times.
	Two times?
	Two times.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Would you say that you've been asked out more than you've asked out?
	Yeah, I've been asked out more.
	Sure.
	For me, I prefer for the guy to ask me out, but if I do really like somebody and they are afraid to make the first move, but there's like a whole vibe, I'll make the move to ask them out.
	So you've asked out the guy before?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Okay, Esther?
	I feel like only in a relationship, like, you know, like you're.
	Oh, I'm talking about like first date.
	No.
	It depends on his personality, honestly.
	If he's really shy, I'll just gonna ask him.
	So you've done it before?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But more often than not, would you say that the men are they're asking you out on the first date?
	It's better to, like, the guy ask me first.
	Okay.
	But of all the times that you've been asked out, or you've gone on a first date or you've met up with someone, would you say more often than not, it was the guy initiating that?
	The guy first.
	The guy first.
	Okay, got it.
	Got it.
	So I have an interesting take on this.
	A take that probably you guys are free to disagree with me on this, but here it goes.
	So I think you should split.
	I think you should split the check.
	Obviously, that tanks my chances.
	No, I'm kidding.
	But I think you should split, and here's why.
	Because when you're going on a first date with someone, the likelihood that that's going to go anywhere is so greatly diminished in 2022 because people have so many more options back in the day before, I mean, before social media, before dating apps, and even you can go even further back in history, say in the 1950s, when sort of these traditional gender roles played out a bit more.
	If you went on a date with someone in the 1950s, your first ever date with a woman, that might be the woman you spend the rest of your life with.
	I mean, I've been on probably over 100 dates in my life.
	I'm sure you guys have been on a fair amount of dates.
	I know you guys are in the college zone, so it sounded like some of you haven't gone on like super proper dates, but so there's that thing.
	And also as far as like who should pay, so I mean, if your answer is whoever asks, men de facto are the askers.
	So if your answer is whoever asks should pay, your answer might as well be men should pay.
	So I guess also the other thing is that the other issue I have with it is because people are dating so many people, the guy paying for the date is him adhering to his traditional gender role.
	But don't hate me guys.
	I would say over 90% of probably 90, 95% of women are not traditional women.
	So if I'm going on a date with a girl, the likelihood that she's fucking another guy, she's probably talking, she's at least talking to some other guy.
	She's at least fucking one other guy.
	Maybe two, maybe three, maybe four.
	So my take is, is I'm not going to adhere to my traditional gender roles if she's fucking another dude.
	Because as far as I'm concerned, it's a pretty big L. If I take a girl out on a date, let's say dinner.
	I don't do dinner dates anymore.
	But if I took a girl out for a dinner date, right?
	She gets some food, she gets a doggy bag, she takes that shit to go, gives me an ass out hug, you know?
	Oh, it was nice, nice date, you know.
	See ya, takes that doggy bag to the guy she's fucking, gives the guy she's fucking the doggy bag.
	He eats the food, then fucks her.
	I would have an issue with that.
	So it's just like all the traditional gender roles have kind of been thrown out.
	So, yeah.
	I'm not going to adhere to my, and I advise men to do this too.
	I'm not going to adhere to my traditional gender roles with women who are not traditional.
	Newsflash, 90% of women are not traditional women.
	That's a large number.
	That's a very large number, I think you just said.
	You think it's more women are traditional?
	I think men don't realize how much women are still traditional.
	Obviously, both genders have strayed from the typical, oopsies, completely typical gender norms from like the 50s or whatever.
	But most men don't even allow women to not be traditional.
	Like, if I have a boyfriend or something, nine times out of ten, I'm doing majority of the cleaning or the cooking or of some sorts like that.
	So I am still living up to my gender rules.
	So if on a first date you ask me out somewhere and you can't afford the full bill, you're obviously either living out of your means or something's going on.
	You shouldn't be asking me out on a date.
	So that's like an off first impression to me.
	Okay, so you consider yourself traditional?
	In some senses, in some senses, no.
	Like I wouldn't mind if I did have kids.
	I wouldn't mind staying home and being with my kids and never going to work.
	He pays for.
	I'm not going to complain about it.
	If you had a partner who could work, but if I have to work, that's no problem with me.
	I wouldn't mind working either.
	Fair enough.
	Whatever works for our household.
	I know they're probably chewing me up.
	It's fine.
	OK, cool, cool.
	So do any of I saw a couple of grimaces when I was giving my take.
	Do any of you want to come in and respond?
	Yeah, I wanted to say what you were saying.
	I think you're inconsistent in your answer or like your comment because you said that the men are traditionally the ones who are going to ask the woman out.
	So that's the tradition you're willing to keep, but then the paying you're not willing to keep because you said that men adhere to that.
	So like what's the inconsistency?
	And also I wanted to add that your point is correct about people meeting more like people now.
	Our circles are bigger because of social media, of dating apps.
	This has been proven by so many research articles, everything.
	There's a whole book about it.
	But that means we're not willing to settle.
	So I guess it's like, are you willing to go past the first date to see, oh, is this my type of person?
	Or do we move on immediately because the circle is so big?
	So that's just my take on it.
	So to answer your first thing, you were saying that something about how men have to initiate.
	That's what you said.
	You're like, men traditionally initiate.
	So when you girls are assuming that who invites you, men are traditionally going to initiate.
	But then the men aren't traditionally going to pay.
	So I'm just really confused, like the notion of traditional roles here.
	Like you're unwilling to follow one, but willing to follow the other, which is totally fine.
	I just, I don't really get it.
	just so I understand.
	So you're saying that I'm acknowledging that men initiate, but how can I simultaneously, how do I reconcile that men, the bill should be split on the first date?
	I feel like, is that, am I understanding you properly?
	Kind of.
	Well, I guess my question is like, you're willing to follow one rule, it seems like, which is okay, and not the other, which is totally cool as well.
	Well, so I would say this, so, and I didn't really give my take on this, but I would be 100% in favor of women initiating.
	But the fact of the matter is, is that women don't have to, and women, quite frankly, don't.
	It's broadly speaking, most men's experience, I would say almost all men's experience, even really top-tier men, that they're going to have to initiate.
	If men don't initiate, like, we don't really get hit on in the same frequency that women get hit on.
	Like, most of you have probably been approached at a party, a bar or a club, maybe a couple times in the night.
	I mean, you're a bartender.
	You probably got 10 guys in the night trying to talk to you, whatever it may be.
	But a guy, for example, like at a bar or club, if a woman goes to a bar or club, there's a decent chance, like maybe one guy, at least one guy, a couple guys are going to hit on her.
	If a guy goes to a bar or club, just goes in the corner, right?
	Nobody's going to talk to him the entire fucking night.
	He's going to sit there, stand there, all alone.
	Same thing at a party.
	As a guy, you go to a party, nobody's coming to talk to you.
	So, and same thing on dating apps.
	Most women will not initiate on dating apps.
	I'm fully in favor of women initiating.
	I think, I mean, I can, I think I've been initiated like three times, three or four times, women have initiated through my DMs.
	That's probably how much some of y'all get in the weekend.
	So, go ahead.
	Okay, but I feel like it has to do with us getting let down so many times that we're scared to initiate it.
	We have to know that they like us a little bit at least before we do anything.
	What do you mean by getting let down so many times?
	Because most women don't like hit on guys.
	So, it's mostly dudes getting fucking rejected dozens or hundreds of times.
	Guys are usually assholes, and we know that.
	So, we don't want to be the ones that hurt ourselves.
	What do you mean by guys are the assholes?
	I think it's that guys shoot their shot more often than girls do.
	So then when girls do, we want to make sure that's actually going to like, it's actually going to work.
	Yeah, well, and I would also say that when women do initiate compared to men, women's success rate is going to be far higher.
	Like, you're much more likely if you initiate for it to work versus, guys, we got to play the numbers game a little bit.
	I would think that it's when the girls do initiate, we would think that, oh, if we're willing to do that, other girls are willing to do it too.
	Sure.
	Because, say, like, this guy must be that worthy that we're willing to go out of our way and like get the courage to actually hit on them.
	But then if this guy's worthy enough, I'm sure other girls will do that too.
	And then that feels a little bit scary.
	Oh, so you're saying that of the guys that you would initiate with, they're so high tier.
	Probably.
	they're really attractive then you're thinking okay he's probably getting this from other girls too Yeah.
	Or, I mean, even if he's not, like, he still has a lot of options when he's initiating.
	That's how I feel, yeah.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	So did I adequately address your question there?
	I see what you're saying.
	I'm just curious, like, how can we change the traditional dynamic then in all areas, right?
	Like, if you want to change it in splitting the check, that's cool.
	And how do we change it to girls asking guys out too, right?
	Like, if we want to challenge the dynamic, how should we go about that?
	And I want to add on to what Alana was saying.
	I think it's really true.
	That I think women have been really, or like take the pain that men have cost them really deeply.
	A lot of them, I'm not saying everyone, and men can have, that can be in reverse as well.
	And so if the girl comes up to a guy, they just are terrified.
	They're like, fuck, like, am I going to get like hurt like this again?
	Because it's just like, that's what we think those relationships or interactions are going to end up in.
	And you might say the guys experience the same thing.
	And I won't disagree.
	Like, I think it's all very human, and it's very sad.
	Oh, wow.
	what do you want to tell us i think we all just there was a recently an article i read it was very interesting saying that a woman can you scoot the microphone to your left just a tad This?
	Yes, perfect.
	That women now crave men who are way more emotionally available.
	So, the number of single men has increased drastically because women often have the community of other women to support and talk to them.
	And men often don't have those conversations with their friends, which is just the cultural norm.
	Like, you know, it is what it is, unfortunately.
	Sure.
	And so women are not settling for these emotionally unavailable men, but then I don't want to say anything bad about those men because it's really not their fault.
	Like, it's a lot of the time it's the society and their parents.
	A lot of like parents are from the older generation, so they have these cultural norms that don't allow men to express their emotions.
	All I'm trying to say is society is widely flawed, and it's not a fault of one gender or the other.
	It's just whatever is happening right now is just awful.
	Have you ever taken the NIQ test?
	Yes.
	What's your IQ?
	147.
	Okay.
	I detect that you're a highly intelligent individual.
	But okay, so that was very, and the chat seems to be liking your answer.
	So that was very insightful.
	Very, very good answer.
	So we haven't quite finished getting around the table.
	I need to do a couple super chats here, and then we'll get back to some of the questions.
	We got Glebis LA with the $10 Soup Chat.
	All labia matters.
	Go anal.
	Okay.
	Thank you for the $10 Super Chat.
	Good to see you back, man.
	And then Brian, why are you bringing such young guests?
	What can they know about dating and relationships?
	Also, I don't think you will find large labia among them.
	What?
	Wait, you need 23 to 28-year-old guests, in my honest opinion.
	Okay, well, there's a lot there, Glebis.
	I mean, I think so far the answers have been pretty good.
	Pretty good.
	And so, girls, do you want to fire back at Glebis here?
	He's kind of shooting shots.
	No?
	Okay.
	Well, then, if he wants to know about that, he should probably tune into another channel with older guests, I think.
	Yeah, I mean, you're 22.
	Yeah.
	22, I think.
	I almost said his age range.
	I was like, right there.
	Yeah, you know.
	Sorry.
	It's just, you know, the thing is, Glebis is Santa Barbara is a very young town.
	Like, a lot of it's a big college town.
	You have Santa Barbara City College, you have UCSB.
	Collectively, I think it's 30,000, 40,000 students between the two of them, right?
	I think UCSB is 20,000.
	Does anybody UCSB students?
	20,000 undergrad, I think.
	I thought it was 34.
	Oh, really?
	Is it 30?
	Over the last five years, it's been like the middle moment.
	Sure.
	So let's say that there's like 40 or 50,000 undergrad students between UCSB and SBCC.
	So, yeah, and then the thing is, is Santa Barbara is such an expensive city to live.
	As soon as people graduate, a lot of people leave because it's very expensive here.
	I think it's one of the highest cost of living areas in the United States.
	So, yeah, I mean, I reach out to a lot of 23 to 20, like, older women, so to speak, but it is what it is.
	And then we lastly have Brandon, what's up, man?
	Good to see you back.
	Salad City Rebel with the $10 Soup Chat.
	Greetings panel.
	Brian, good show so far.
	Shake it up a bit.
	Girls are surprisingly insightful when asked raw or raunchy questions.
	Who should get the check is like asking who's going to buy the condoms.
	All right, Brandon, thank you for that.
	By the way, we are going to get you on that all stripper show coming up soon with Hensley and the rest of the girls.
	So yeah.
	So thank you, Brandon, for the $10 Soup Chat, man.
	Much appreciated.
	So I want to bring it back.
	You said something about V-Bucks.
	So I want to touch on that super quick.
	V-Bucks, I guess if anyone doesn't know, that's like the digital currency for Fortnite.
	So you were dating a guy who played Fortnite.
	Do you guys have an issue?
	Like, would you date a guy who plays video games?
	No.
	I love when somebody has their own hobby.
	Leave me alone.
	I can do what I want.
	I can do what you want.
	That's fine.
	It was a bit much, though.
	Bit much.
	I don't mind.
	I like video games.
	Yeah, I suppose it depends because a guy could just maybe plays an hour a day.
	That's not so bad.
	But there are some guys that are heavily into video games.
	Some are even addicted, you know, six, eight, ten hours a day, all day.
	So maybe I should be a bit more precise in the question.
	Let's say a guy who, I mean, some girls might say, even if he plays an hour a day, I'd have an issue with that.
	So maybe you can give your nuanced take to the question.
	I feel like it's fine as long as it doesn't take away from our time together.
	Like, while you're playing video games, I can do my thing, and then we can be together.
	Have any of you, and I'll add this on to the question, have any of you had a situation where you're kind of seeing a guy and you're coming over and he's kind of almost ignoring you playing video games.
	Have you ever had that?
	I don't have it.
	So like a boyfriend, but he's like, he just wants to play games and you're kind of just there.
	I think everyone has kind of had.
	Okay.
	So just bring it back to the original question.
	Go ahead.
	No, I don't think so.
	If that was the case, I don't think I'd ever pursue that.
	Like that would ever be a case.
	If they were playing video games at all, or just like.
	I mean, like, excessively, like, six to eight hours a day, and then I go over and then there's nothing.
	Like, he's just playing.
	I don't think that I'd ever be a case of I would even want to be with them at all.
	Sure.
	I guess let me phrase it like this.
	Would it be your preference to date a guy that just doesn't play video games at all?
	Would that be your overall preference?
	I don't care enough.
	Okay.
	Yeah, it doesn't matter.
	Okay.
	I don't care.
	Yeah, I don't care.
	Just don't play like eight hours a day.
	Okay.
	I don't really mind.
	You don't care as long as he share our time.
	Sure.
	Or we can play together sometimes, maybe.
	There you go.
	I guess one thing I've heard girls say that do have partners that play video games.
	If he's playing video games, you know he's not cheating on you.
	So there is that.
	Right?
	No.
	Still cheats.
	Still cheating.
	He still cheats, definitely.
	Okay.
	But if he's at home playing games, you know.
	Still cheating?
	A girl could be there while he's playing video games.
	I guess that's true.
	I guess that's true.
	Okay.
	I mean, as long as they have like ambitions in life, it's fine.
	But if it's like to an extent where they're just like, that's all they're doing, then it's like a problem.
	But as long as they're ambitious and like have goals in life, then I think it's fine.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So like, let me ask you guys a question.
	Let's say he's a Chad gamer.
	Like top-tier gamer.
	He's a gamer, okay?
	World of Warcraft classic.
	He's got like three level 60s.
	He's got a mage, a rogue, a warrior.
	He's the main tank for his guild, too.
	And it's a hardcore rating guild.
	So he's like, and he's rating on each of the characters.
	So that's like three, four, that's a three, four day hardcore commitment.
	I think so.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	But like three, four-night commitment, he's playing at least 20, 30 hours a week.
	But he's parsing in the top 99th percentile on Warcraft logs.
	So, and he's like, he's got bis, best in slot.
	So, like, fully geared knacks bis.
	Like, is that, are you guys going to go for him or what?
	He's a top parser.
	If he's a good person, then sure.
	And if he he has like other than like all those great attributes, if he's like also in school or working, that's fine with me.
	You can't do all that one time.
	Exactly.
	Like it's rare to s probably have that, I think.
	Like he just explained that to us for one minute and we all lost interest so quickly.
	Like we had no idea what's talking about.
	Somebody who's like that, how do you have a serious conversation?
	Like I have to be you have to be semi-into games as well to date somebody like that or else I'm just gonna be sitting there like waiting for you to shut up all day.
	Okay.
	Also like on his mage he's first in line for Atiash.
	See exactly what he's doing.
	You see what I mean?
	I'd just pretend to be impressed and be like, wow, that he is first in line for Atiash.
	Crazy.
	Yeah.
	True.
	I don't even know what game would take.
	And on his warrior, he's first in line for Gressel.
	Wow.
	First in line at my mom.
	Right?
	You guys.
	So maybe, okay.
	Anyways, moving on.
	Maybe he's getting late tonight, yeah.
	For sure.
	For sure.
	Okay, moving on.
	Do we just score chats?
	So we never really got to finish the anything dating related, you want to get off your chest.
	I think we left, you answered that one, I think, right?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, so we'll open it up to you.
	I just think don't take dating so seriously, especially your first year of college.
	I think like that's like when you're growing the most.
	And like you really need to let that happen because you might just get stuck and like lose yourself.
	And in relationships, especially long-term, people change a lot.
	And it's like pretty natural for people to break up.
	It's just something you have to do for yourself.
	So yeah, just like, I don't know, don't be so intense about a relationship so early.
	I think I said everything that I had to say earlier.
	You didn't have like a gripe or anything when it comes to dating?
	I mean, I think that's the main issue.
	Both genders are incompatible in the sense of like the way that society almost forms us.
	Are you a nihilist?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	No, I'm just saying like to really make things work you have to communicate really well because the other person's intentions will always be misunderstood and it's fine.
	Like we're all different, including the gender, including the different types of people.
	But being extremely honest, not only with the other person, but with yourself, I think, is a lot of people start lying to themselves a little bit.
	Oh, maybe I want a serious relationship.
	And you don't, then don't do it.
	Like, it's fine.
	No one's forcing you here.
	Okay.
	What's the question?
	Oh, so anything dating related, you want to get off your chest.
	So if you recently had, you can kind of take this however you want.
	If you maybe had a bad date experience recently, or just generally something about dating pisses you off, men are pissing you off in some way, there's a trend in dating that annoys you, a frustration when it comes to dealing with men.
	Anything?
	I just go with flow, to be honest.
	Like, I'm not, like, trying to, I want a relationship or something.
	Just like, if I met him, like, I met the guy who is who I like, I just go with flow.
	If I met the guy who is, like, he just want to fuck me, I just gonna go away from him.
	Like that, you know?
	I can't take seriously, I cannot take, like, I can't play with guys.
	I cannot take seriously.
	So it is what it is, kinda, you know.
	Wait, so your issue is that if guys are just all they want is sex, basically.
	Is that if I'm understanding it correctly?
	Like, maybe I'm look like, some people say I'm kind of pretty girl.
	I'm look like pretty girl, so that's why the guys come to me to fuck me.
	Maybe, I don't know what's going on with me, but I don't know, I this is my program too, maybe.
	I don't want to fuck any guys like for fun.
	I just you want to fuck them for disappointment?
	If I want to fuck him, I because I love you want a relationship, yeah.
	I find the guy, but I want to have sex with the love.
	So I don't want to fuck anyone with without love, you know what I'm saying?
	Oh, wait, without love?
	I don't want to hook up.
	No sex.
	You have to be in love with them.
	Yes.
	Because I don't feel good.
	I don't need to.
	In love?
	Because that shit takes a while.
	I know, but that's why.
	You're going to be away then.
	That is life.
	I think because my relationship last last one was two years and I was really falling in love with him.
	And then I know how I love people, maybe.
	That's why if I have sex with the landam guy, I don't feel good.
	That's my title.
	The way I live.
	Do you feel empty?
	Like, there's no connection.
	So, like, you know.
	I don't have any connection.
	You don't enjoy it.
	Yeah, I can't enjoy it, to be honest.
	It's like after you just feel empty and lonely.
	Like, even if I'm horny, I don't want to do anything.
	Like, I just stay.
	Like, I just gonna maybe do some cooking or find space.
	Like, yeah.
	And then, yeah, and then like.
	I just don't need a like hookup culture for now.
	Like, I'm over it.
	Like, I'm, I'm, yeah.
	Okay.
	Wait, so you said you want to wait until love.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So I want to go around the table on this really quick.
	So how long do you think you should wait?
	Let's say how many dates?
	I mean, you kind of already answered it, but we'll go around the table.
	How long do you think you should wait before sleeping with someone?
	I have a three-date rule.
	Three-date rule.
	Yep.
	So is that a minimum or a maximum?
	Minimum?
	Minimum?
	Okay, so you won't sleep with someone before the third date.
	Okay, but you would, like, fourth or fifth date would be okay too.
	Yeah.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	After the third, but so second date not happening.
	No.
	Okay.
	What if you know, though?
	Second date, you're like, I like this guy.
	Is it going to happen?
	Yeah, maybe if I have about eight J-Mo shots.
	Maybe.
	But probably not before that, though.
	So three-date rule.
	How long have you had that rule?
	Since I started.
	Having sex.
	Yeah.
	So you've never had a one-night stand?
	I have not yet.
	You've never.
	Technically, one of them technically wasn't one-night stand, but we were communicating for a year prior.
	Okay.
	A year prior?
	Like for a year beforehand, but the way our schedules work out, it's hard to get.
	Was this the farmer's only guy?
	What?
	What?
	Wait, so how you were you, you like just texting or we met once.
	Long distance.
	And then, yeah, because like he was traveling from here.
	So by the second time I met him, again.
	Sure.
	Yes, but I had already been talking to him for a long time.
	Got it.
	That makes sense.
	Sure.
	I think it depends, but the three-date rule, I think, is also really smart.
	Three-day rule is.
	And that's minimum?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Three-date rule.
	But like it depends on the person.
	If you like.
	You can honestly connect in one night, but like personally, like just depends.
	And like three dates is like a good minimum to have.
	Have you ever hooked up with a guy the same day that you met him or on the first night you met him?
	Telling the truth.
	That's the full truth.
	Go ahead.
	I'm fine with the first night with my age.
	Like I'm 18, like it's whatever.
	I'm not like, I don't need to wait.
	And then also it's like chemistry.
	Like I want to know that there's chemistry.
	So I much rather know the first night than three days down the road.
	You're talking like if the sex is trash?
	Yeah.
	You'd rather get that out of the way sooner.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I want to touch on that, but we'll continue going on.
	I would say a month.
	Like after a month of getting to know them.
	I wouldn't, like, to me, like, dates don't really matter unless I like dates is just a number, but then I feel like a month isn't that also kind of a number?
	I mean, it's a duration of time, which I think is a good measure of how long, like, how long you've gotten to know this person and to what degree.
	Sure.
	But I mean, couldn't you also say that you could go on two dates in a month or seven dates in a month?
	If you're using dates to count, then it would be, I would just say consecutively seeing someone for a month and then on like a higher frequency.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So I'm with her on that.
	Like waiting at least, maybe not a month for me, a couple of months.
	Because for me, like if I were to have sex and there's no chemistry, like what Alana says, like you want to see if there's like chemistry, then I'm not going to enjoy it.
	So I'd rather just wait and connect with that person and then we'll see when the time is right.
	So wait, you want to get the sex out of the way soon?
	No, no, no.
	I'm saying like I'll wait like a couple of months.
	Like because if I thought you said you agreed with the chemistry thing.
	Okay, sure.
	But so when you're talking to somebody, I'd rather talk to them and go and hang out with them and go on dates and see how it is and if I'm feeling it because then if I'm not feeling it, I just get the sex out of the way, then I just feel empty.
	Wait, so you sleep with men that you're not really feeling?
	No, I wouldn't sleep with like I would wait a couple of months.
	Okay.
	I think it depends just like how you've been with sex.
	Like if you're just not the type of person that like can't just hook up, then like it's probably gonna take like a while and that's totally fine.
	I don't think there's a problem with waiting to have sex.
	But if you just like are into it like that day, I don't think it's like a problem exactly.
	Like I don't think you should like shame someone for hooking up on like the first night.
	Like you could totally just like be into them and like want to have sex.
	Like I don't know.
	That's like totally normal I feel like.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	I agree.
	I think for me personally it would probably take like a month at least.
	But again like if your emotional intuition is telling you like oh I really like this person I want to or like I'm attracted to them physically I really don't see why you shouldn't stay safe obviously.
	But just trust yourself.
	Like no one knows your like past history other than you or maybe like your best friends.
	But it's still up to you to make the decisions so go for it.
	For me.
	Love, right?
	Yeah, but if I like him I want to also of course I want to have sex with him and then but why I don't have a like I don't have sex with a guy who I'm not dating with because if I have a sex like first day or even if I like him he's gonna think I'm a slat or like he's not gonna take seriously about me.
	That's why I don't want to have sex with him.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like that's true.
	Does it make sense, right?
	Because like if I really like him and then he got horny and he want to fuck me, but I wouldn't want to take it seriously.
	And then I was just going to wait.
	Maybe like I need some more date days.
	Yeah, because like guys just like assume.
	Because if you really like them and they are horny, if you just give it to them, like there's no wrong, like if anybody does it, like no shame, like you do what you want, your body, your choice.
	But just guys, most guys think, oh, she's easy.
	She's a slut.
	That's what I'm saying.
	So they just don't think of you as anything more than if you're just having sex with them.
	Also, like, I ask the guy if he asked me to have sex.
	Like, I just gonna say, I'm not, like, ready.
	And then I can't maybe trust that guy if he said, okay, I can wait for you.
	That means like he can.
	It's a good indicator how invested he is.
	Yeah, so like he likes you and he's willing to wait while you're willing to wait.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Word?
	The bar is in hell.
	What's that?
	The bar is in hell.
	The bar is in hell.
	What does that mean?
	It's, I mean, saying it's impressive if you could tell a guy you don't want to have sex and he's like, cool with it and understanding, the bar is in hell.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	The bar is low.
	The bar is very low.
	That's what I mean, yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, I see.
	I see.
	Well, so, I mean, I certainly agree that if the girl is like, wants to wait, it's certainly a good look to be like, hey, that's totally fine.
	Like, I'm not pressed.
	We can wait.
	But what if the guy, let's say the guy has a rule too?
	Maybe he has a three-date rule or maybe a two-date rule.
	Maybe even a first-night rule.
	And you say no.
	And he's like, would you take an issue with a guy who, let's say you're hanging out with him and he wants to hook up and you don't, and he's like, okay, well, you can leave.
	Have any of you, I don't know if any of you have had that, but would you take an issue with a guy hanging out with a guy?
	He wants to hook up.
	You don't.
	That's totally fine.
	But he says, okay, well, I don't want to hang out with you anymore.
	Well, yeah, I'm definitely not going to see them anymore.
	Obviously, yeah.
	Yeah, I wouldn't.
	Unless it was like planned.
	Then it's like different, but like, usually no.
	Okay.
	I think that's disrespectful.
	It's disrespectful for the guy to just say.
	You can leave.
	Like, because then you're like, okay, that's all he wanted me for.
	Or maybe, like, let's say he doesn't, he's not going about it rude, but he's like, he tries, you know, maybe you guys kiss or make out a little bit, but you're just like, you don't want to go further, right?
	And he's like, hey, that's fine.
	Hey, you know, it's getting kind of late.
	Like, maybe we could wrap it up.
	So he's kind of like, it's apparent to you that he wanted to hook up and he kind of wants to get on with his night, but he's doing so about as diplomatically as one can go about it.
	Would you take issue with that?
	Now that I've reframed it, I don't know if you guys want to come back in or.
	That's just mean.
	Still mean.
	It would just make my mind think like, Dan, like, he's probably poo-tanging it every night all day.
	You gotta get me out, get the next one in.
	It just makes you reconsider who you want to have.
	Nothing wrong with getting around, whatever, but it makes you want to reconsider who you're having sexual relationships with.
	Right.
	I feel like it's different if like you guys like were making out and like doing other things and then like it ended and not like abruptly but like he was just like okay it's getting late whatever but if you were like I don't want to have sex with you and he's like okay leave that is horrible never talk to that man ever again sure I think it's just looking for different things and there's nothing wrong with that, but just not to waste each other's time, I think, is really good.
	That's fair.
	I think it's good for them to let you know, because if you're not interested in doing anything more than just making out and doing stuff, then letting you know is a good thing, so you're not being let on.
	But I think there's a nicer manner it could be done than just saying, get out, like kicking you out.
	Sure.
	Yeah, I think you just need to like talk about it before you hang out because I feel like sometimes guys like will try to be like really really nice and like gentlemanlike so like you feel more inclined to have sex with them But if like you talk about it beforehand like that like you're literally just like meeting up to like like smoke and then like have sex then like yeah, that's fine.
	But like if like they're like they want to have sex and you don't want to and they're like okay leave like okay well like I'm gone.
	Like I don't know just like move on.
	There's like so many people like they couldn't like be that cute.
	Sure.
	Esther?
	I think if you say it politely I understand but actually I agree.
	I would think oh he has someone else coming in so I'm gonna get out and not speak to him ever again.
	Yeah that's kind of really disrespectful.
	So I just gonna leave and block everything like shut down from him.
	Wait, so you think it'd be disrespectful even if he was kind of more diplomatic and polite about asking you to leave or ask you know kind of ending the night so to speak still disrespectful.
	It depends how he like react I think.
	I don't know.
	It's sure.
	So I mean my personal take on this is I'm not pressed to like get sex or have sex with a girl.
	So if she wants to wait a bit, that's totally fine.
	Not a big deal.
	We can continue hanging out.
	I do know though that there are definitely guys where they're for and I so I'm not speaking about me but I'm speaking for other men here.
	Some other men I should say.
	They just want to hook up.
	They just want the one-time thing.
	There's some women that want that.
	There's some men that want that.
	Sometimes there's not a it doesn't sync up between what both people are kind of looking for.
	But I would say that if so men are not entitled to sex.
	Women are not entitled to sex either.
	But men are not entitled to sex.
	And I would say that women are not entitled to continued attention, to continued time hanging out.
	So if a guy, he wants something and you don't want it, that's totally fine.
	But I think just like how you're in your right to say, I don't want to have sex, he's also in his right to say, well, I don't want to continue hanging out with you.
	Do you disagree?
	No.
	Okay.
	I don't disagree.
	I mean, everyone, yeah, that's what he wants.
	It's better to come clean so they can break it off now.
	But it doesn't make it any, like how we explained earlier, it still doesn't make the situation less disrespectful in a sense.
	Like if it was really me, if I was playing that situation, I would be like, all right, cool.
	Like, you don't want to do anything.
	If our plan was for you to stay the night or something like vibe out, let's vibe out.
	And then maybe before you actually, it is time for you to leave or in the morning, whatever, then I'll be like, hey, I don't know.
	Seems like you might want different things.
	Maybe it's better off separate.
	But just being like, oh, you don't want to fuck?
	All right.
	Dip out, homie.
	It's like a little like, damn.
	That's pretty ruthless, I would say.
	I don't recommend guys doing that, but I think there probably are guys that are that abrasive.
	So don't recommend it, guys.
	So we've touched on a whole bunch of stuff.
	Let me just see if there's any super chats.
	No, we don't have any super chats.
	um let's see where did i want to go with this um we got we got a chat here from stifler Stiffler wants to ask the ladies, ask the ladies to rate themselves on a scale of one to ten.
	We'll start off with.
	Looks, personalities, full package.
	Like, what are we going to do?
	Looks.
	One out of ten.
	I've never been asked to rate myself before.
	We're talking like for the area, like all over the whole world.
	Okay, what?
	You know, you could be an Idaho 10, but like an LA 4, you know?
	So it's like, just give us your California rating.
	I would say I'm like a California 8.
	Okay.
	So you're an 8.
	Okay.
	A California 6.5.
	Just disregard the California thing.
	Just your writing thing.
	Then just a general, we'll round up to 7 average.
	Wait, so you're.
	Oh, okay.
	I see.
	I see what you do there.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Eight.
	Say seven or an eight.
	Eight.
	It depends what day it is.
	Valid.
	Valid Mondays are like six.
	Tuesdays like a ten.
	Like, I don't know.
	Like, like an eight.
	I think I have like good.
	Yeah, like an eight.
	We'll just end it there.
	Eight, seven, six.
	Okay, thank you for that question, Stiffler.
	Logan Paul says, please peg me.
	Okay, I guess I don't think that's the real Logan Paul, but yeah, Logan Paul's kind of a.
	I don't like Logan Paul.
	Okay.
	Does anyone?
	He's kind of a.
	Anyways, okay.
	We got Andrew Tate here in the chat.
	Romanian women are known for having large labia.
	Oh.
	Thank you for that fact.
	Okay.
	I'm flying the brunette to Romania.
	Pack your bags.
	Which one, dude?
	We got a couple.
	There's a few.
	I'm not.
	Yeah.
	Alana?
	Are you talking about Alana?
	Alana, Andrew Tate is inviting you to Romania.
	Are you taking it?
	You taking his invitation, private jet?
	Yeah.
	Okay, there you go.
	Let's see here.
	So hold on, let me pull this back up.
	So you kind of touched on this a bit, Alana, so I want to go around the table on this.
	If the sex is trash, is it a wrap?
	You're looking at me?
	Yes.
	I'm looking at you, yeah.
	Yes.
	It's just never going to work.
	So if the sex is bad, you're not going to.
	Are you going to give him a couple chances?
	Yeah, we can do a few trial runs, like, you know, if there's still a personality connection there, but if you can't figure it out after a few times, we're probably not meant to bump parts, you know what I mean?
	Um, I mean, yeah, like a couple tries, and if it's still not, like, crazy awesome, then maybe.
	Hold on, wait.
	I just need to adjust something in the chat really quick.
	Hold on, guys.
	Where is it?
	Sorry, guys, one sec here.
	Sorry, guys.
	Hold on.
	Where is it?
	Sorry, guys.
	One sec.
	Why is it?
	Yeah, okay, XXXXXDM.
	I need you to tone that down a little bit, man.
	Sorry, dude, but come on.
	Anyways.
	Go ahead.
	Sorry, who was answering?
	Oh, I was.
	Yeah, guys, let's keep.
	We don't have any chat mods at the moment, guys, but yeah, let's.
	Come on, no, let's not be too toxic in the chat, okay?
	Sorry, go ahead.
	What was the question again?
	Sorry.
	So if the sex is trash, is it a rap?
	I mean, like, first time it's, like, common, it's fine, but if it's like a reoccurring thing, then I don't think the person's right for me personally.
	Yeah, I agree with that because I feel like both people could be shy and like, I don't know, just doesn't work out the same.
	So you could try again.
	Okay.
	Yeah, chemistry is really important.
	So I think for the first couple times, maybe you can tell, like, you're still trying to get to know each other.
	But then, after, if that's like a continuous pattern, they're probably not the best fit.
	I feel like if you are like, like, if you're sleeping with somebody, like, the first time after it depends on how long you've been talking to them.
	If you haven't been talking that much and you guys have sex, yeah, the first time might not be good, but give it another try.
	But if you've been talking to them for a bit and you guys have both been waiting, then, and if it's bad, then I don't think it's meant to be because I think there should be that chemistry that you guys both have been building up.
	I think it like depends like how they're going into it.
	If they're like, oh, yeah, like, I'm going to lay Hello Good Pipe.
	You're going to be like, oh, for real?
	Whoa, I'm done.
	But if, like, I don't know if you like them and it's just like you guys are nervous the first time, like, maybe.
	I don't know.
	I think if they're really legit the first time, it's definitely going to be like, you're going to go back and be like, yeah, they were it.
	Like, that was dope.
	But I don't know.
	Like, I don't know.
	It's not like a deal breaker.
	Not really.
	Esther?
	Give it a couple of tries, but I think just communicate.
	A lot of the time, different people like different things.
	Our bodies are different.
	So let your partner know.
	And if you let them know, and they're still not up to your standards, then you can let go.
	For me, if I don't feel good first time, maybe we should talk.
	And then if it's not works, it depends on how much I like him, maybe also.
	But.
	You're in love with him.
	I mean, you said before that you want to be in love to have sex.
	I mean, like, yeah.
	Allegedly.
	Allegedly.
	I don't know.
	If because of sex, I'm losing my emotional for him sometimes, maybe.
	Then that's not my guy.
	Wait, I have a question.
	Okay, so this is related to Japan.
	Have you ever been to a host club?
	Do you know what that is?
	I don't know.
	I know, I know.
	Do you know what it is?
	Okay.
	I don't think anyone else at the table probably knows about that, but.
	Is anyone else Japanese?
	No?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So you've never been to a host club?
	No.
	But you've heard of them.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's really like.
	Yeah, just to explain it to the panel and the viewers, host club is something very unique to Japan.
	Basically, it's a club where women go to get male attention.
	So there's hired men who I guess are kind of attractive and good conversationalists, and women will pay to conversate with men at these host clubs.
	And the men are called hosts.
	So.
	They have a both side, though.
	There is both sides, yes.
	So it's kind of interesting like how I'm curious why that is something in it might be in maybe in other Asian countries, but I think it's really just in Japan where they have that.
	Oh, in Thailand they have kind of those things too.
	Okay.
	But it's interesting, like that would never, you don't see that in Western countries.
	Or I mean most other countries, you don't see that.
	So, but from what I heard is that a lot of the women that go to the host clubs, they're actually sex workers themselves.
	And they're looking for like an emotional connection with the.
	Anyways, whatever.
	Kind of getting derailed there a little bit.
	So, so wow, some of y'all are kind of brutal there.
	Sex is bad.
	It's a done deal, right?
	Well, let me ask you this.
	So would you want a guy, like, if the sex is bad, like, what are you going to do to make it better?
	Are you going to teach him?
	Because I feel like that would be a big turn off for a lot of girls to have to show a guy how to fuck you or how to make you come.
	You'd be like, because a lot of women want guys to just get it.
	They want guys pre-assembled.
	So your take.
	Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to teach someone anything.
	That's just not, no, I don't picture myself doing that.
	That's why I give you a few tries to like pick up on the fact that this is not vibing with me.
	And then after that, I'm sure somebody else will love what they got going on.
	But I don't.
	I mean, depends on the person.
	If you're like really emotionally connected, I think it's a team effort.
	Like, you just got to help each other out.
	Sure.
	But yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, if I liked him, then I'd tell him what I like, and he might like different things.
	I don't know.
	You never know.
	And I feel like also a lot of girls lie about coming.
	So like guys don't know what girls actually like because all these girls are lying to them.
	You know?
	And I've lied too.
	So like.
	You faked an orgasm.
	Yes.
	Yeah, it's pretty much one of the worst things.
	Well, not one of the worst things you can do, but it's pretty bad.
	Well, like sometimes you just want it over and you're just like.
	Oh, okay.
	Go away.
	Sure, okay.
	Well, yeah, I think it's about the emotional connection you have with that person.
	If there's a lot, then you guys like work through it.
	But if there's not, then it's probably just not going to, like, no good.
	That just means there's no good chemistry and it's probably not worth each other's time.
	Yeah.
	Wait, so I want to come back to you really quick.
	So you fake the orgasm and then go away.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you want it to end?
	Like if it's bad and I'm like not enjoying it and like I just want it over.
	Like.
	Okay.
	And so basically what I guess my understanding is once the guy's made you come, then he's going to be like, okay, now I can come.
	Is that kind of.
	No, usually it's like they do first.
	They come first.
	And then they're like trying to make, I mean, in my are you talking like going down on you or using hands or whatever?
	Just whatever.
	I don't know.
	Like, and then they'll try to like make it.
	I don't know.
	It's just like sometimes it's not working and I just fake it because I'm just like, it's, you're not doing it right.
	And I don't, like, I'm not emotionally attached to them.
	So I like don't really care to tell them.
	Sure.
	Has anyone here not had an orgasm with a partner?
	I haven't.
	Probably because I lie.
	But like, also, yeah.
	Wait, and what was your longest relationship?
	It was like six months, I think, but it was like really off and on.
	It was bad.
	He cheated on me like two days after he asked me out.
	Can we get some candle vigils in the chat for Alana?
	Or some skulls in the chat.
	Rest in peace.
	Okay.
	That is unfortunate.
	Good times.
	So anyone else never been able to climax with a partner?
	Anybody?
	Only a few times, to be honest.
	I just fake it sometimes.
	Okay, good times.
	And so just to go back around, I'm trying to remember what we were.
	I don't know where we were.
	Can anyone remind me?
	I was going through.
	I'm something about working through it if the sex isn't good.
	Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
	I had answered, so I think it's the only answer.
	And we can move.
	It was about teaching them how to.
	Oh, teaching them.
	Yeah, like if you'd want to teach a guy how to fuck you.
	So boring.
	So poor guy, I think if he likes different things, and if I'm doing something that isn't working for him, he could tell me.
	And then I could tell him what he can do for me.
	And we just come to it together.
	But if the next time it's really not improving or anything, because with the chemistry, it should be, I feel like it should be good.
	And it's just like sex.
	I don't know how you could be bad at sex.
	I'm going to be honest.
	You don't know how you can be bad at sex.
	Yeah, how can you be bad at sex?
	You've had sex, right?
	Yes.
	Well, I recently lost, I lost my virginity a month before I came to college.
	So like two months ago?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And it was good.
	So I don't have a problem.
	No hearts?
	No, because we were really close.
	We're like close friends.
	No, like hearts, like the physically.
	What do you mean?
	Pain.
	Oh, no.
	He had a really nice.
	I mean, I mean, I would rate him literally 11 out of 10 because everything.
	It's just like we had that connection and he is very tall and athlete.
	How tall?
	He's 6'5.
	6'5.
	And I'm 5'10, so that's very much.
	And he's an athlete, football player?
	Basketball.
	Why don't you stay with him?
	We haven't talked about it, but we're seeing each other because we're friends.
	So when he comes from college and I go back home, we're hanging out and talking.
	He's also a 6'5 athlete, so I mean, why is he gonna commit?
	But okay.
	Well, I mean, I'm just being honest.
	I'm as tall as a 51 baiting.
	Yeah, I'm a 5'10 athlete, so we could have.
	But I mean, come on.
	Come on.
	You're gonna share him, but okay.
	He's not faithful to you, right?
	We're not like together.
	Okay.
	No, not together.
	Yeah, you're gonna share.
	If you want him.
	Anyways, go ahead.
	I think you should try to communicate what you like.
	I think if it's just like a hookup, like you met like an hour ago and now you're having sex, like maybe it's hard to be like, do this, do that.
	But it is like they're like it's hard for a lot of girls to have orgasms.
	Like that's pretty much just a thing.
	And if you're in a relationship and you, like, sex is a big part of your relationship for like connection issues, emotional, whatever, then you're going to want to talk about like what to do.
	Like I feel like, I don't know, I don't, I think definitely people think it's embarrassing.
	And it's just like really easy to be like, oh yeah, sex is trash.
	Like done with him.
	I mean like if you want to work through it and like actually like learn like about your body and like guys bodies and like how to like have good sex with people who isn't like with people who aren't just that one person, then like it's good to communicate.
	By the way, I hope I didn't cut you off there.
	I don't know if you had any more anything else you wanted to say.
	Oh not really.
	I was going to say I did like recently hook up with somebody here and I'll still rate the first guy that I lost when Virginia 11 out of 10.
	He was better than...
	Yeah.
	Like, I feel like just nobody's going to top him.
	I don't know.
	6'5 athlete.
	I don't think anybody's like, he's just like the whole package.
	I don't think anybody would be able to top him so far.
	Yeah.
	And you said that you said that sex isn't that hard.
	I don't I feel like it should come to you naturally.
	Like, it's not PEMDOS.
	Like, I feel like... PEMDOS.
	So, it should be...
	Some math shit there.
	Well, I would say that, and you guys are free to disagree with me, it's harder to be good in bed as a guy than as a woman.
	It's much harder to perform as a man in bed.
	Yes.
	So there's that.
	I think I'm getting a lot of headshakes.
	I think overall the panel agrees with me.
	Anyone?
	Did you disagree?
	Okay.
	Esther, I know you're dying to come in on this.
	I just want to say what you said makes sense.
	I mean, women have different nerve endings down there, simply put.
	So the fact that sex might not be good the first time is fine.
	Like the other girl he was having sex with before, her body was different and it's fine.
	But of course when you do communicate and after the communication, if it's still not good, well then just give up, move on.
	But it's okay to just like kind of guide them in the right direction.
	But like to teach someone like the entire thing, I don't know about that.
	But like to guide someone I don't think is hurtful or like it makes me feel bad.
	Like I know my body obviously better than someone who just like isn't me.
	And then as far as the whole who is who is sex harder for?
	Or is it harder for men or women to be good in bed?
	I think the way women form their emotional connection might be like might affect it more than I don't know anything else, but there are also some girls I know who like are just totally down to hook up and for them like sex is easy.
	I don't know the actual like you know the actual action of sex.
	I'm talking more about like going to hook up with someone.
	Oh no yeah I'm talking like the actual physical act of sex.
	Well then I haven't done enough research I don't know what to tell you.
	Oh okay so you're are you a virgin?
	No.
	I mean I'm just I don't know it from the guy's side like you know like do guys say like oh wait are you are you bi or lesbian?
	No.
	I'm just I don't know how hard like okay have I asked every single guy I know how hard sex is for them and have I asked every single girl I know how hard sex is for them.
	Like that's what I'm trying to say.
	Like I don't have enough information to no, so I guess to try to.
	So you okay, you've had experience having sex, I mean.
	But you can, you can intellectualize it like, okay what, what goes into having sex?
	What are sort of the performance issues that women can encounter?
	What are the performance issues men can encounter?
	I mean, it depends on every single woman and every single man, like every you know, I don't know how to generalize it, like some women might find it more difficult and some men might find it more difficult, that just depends.
	But Overwhelm, like overall, generally speaking.
	Well, that's what I'm trying to say.
	I can't answer that question.
	I think that I think generally for women, it might be harder for us to enjoy it because for us, I think the emotional aspect of it.
	Y'all like in multiple orgasms and to achieve that is hard, but then so much of that is emotional than physical.
	Whereas for men, it's the opposite.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think it's harder for men to be better at it.
	They have to do the stroke and do all that shit.
	I could just lay there and he'll probably say it was amazing.
	Yeah.
	It was the best night of his life.
	I didn't even move.
	Yeah, honestly, I think most men, like, for men, I think sex is like pizza.
	Like, there's no such thing.
	There's no bad pizza.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	It's still pizza.
	You know?
	That's how sex is, you know?
	Like, one time this guy thought we were having sex.
	But really, he was just like, what?
	Yeah.
	He thought?
	It was like between your thighs?
	Yes.
	What the fuck?
	And he went and told all his friends I was the best ever.
	And I was like, wow.
	No fucking way.
	That's crazy.
	Just a tip.
	Just for a second.
	Just a tip feels.
	There was no tip to be inserted.
	You didn't tell him?
	No, of course not.
	I wasn't going to do that.
	How do you turn around and tell a man you were fucking my legs right now?
	You do that.
	What?
	So what?
	You finished?
	Because I mean, you could.
	Time was done.
	Because I mean, I could see.
	You know, have you ever like, has someone ever gotten your name wrong and you don't correct them and so much a period of time has passed where it'd be.
	If you told them at the forefront, it'd be okay, but too much time passed.
	Yeah.
	Now it's awkward.
	Yeah.
	That was like, you let it go on for too long and then you just couldn't.
	It didn't go on for that long, luckily.
	How long?
	I would say max two minutes.
	Oh my gosh.
	Max.
	Your thighs?
	What position was it?
	Like cuddling.
	Oh.
	I could kind of see how that could happen.
	Come on.
	But still.
	You should know the feeling.
	The positioning kind of makes sense how that could happen, but still.
	Yeah, bad.
	Good times.
	Good times, guys.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	So you've got that thighs.
	I was trying to think of the Cardi B song.
	Okay, never mind.
	Never mind.
	Wop but thighs.
	You've got some wet-ass thighs.
	What?
	What?
	You got a lot?
	Okay, there you go.
	I have no idea how we got there.
	Okay, so.
	Oh, yeah, sex being harder.
	For guys.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's tough.
	That's why I stick to anal sex.
	Okay, so moving on.
	Let me see if I got any super chats here.
	So, no, not yet.
	By the way, guys, if you want, get your super chats in.
	And I think we got, let me see.
	Hold on, guys, one sec.
	Yeah, I think we're good on super chats.
	So, I want to ask you guys: is slut shaming wrong?
	More specifically, shaming, because I mean, slut, that term can have a couple different connotations.
	Shaming people for being promiscuous or having a high body count is it wrong?
	It depends.
	That's my answer.
	On what?
	Like, it's no problem if somebody has a high body count, but like, say, for instance, you know somebody has a high body count and then you have a conversation with them and like say it's about STDs or things like that and they're like completely unknowledgeable, having no idea what they're talking about in that realm.
	It's like you can't have a high body count and then be reckless and not even know what you're doing.
	You know, that's a little crazy.
	But as long as you do your research and you know how to be safe, you're getting tested, checked, all the stuff.
	Yeah.
	I guess, actually, I'm just going to reframe it.
	Well, I guess you guys will go around really quick if you guys want to answer the initial question.
	Yeah, I think slut shaming is wrong.
	I mean, someone can love sex and just, you know, it's their life, their body, their choice.
	They could do whatever they want with it.
	It's none of my concern, and it shouldn't be anyone else's concern except for theirs.
	But yeah, as long as they're safe and like they're okay, then it's fine.
	Yeah.
	I agree with that, yeah.
	Yeah, for sure.
	I really think it does depend.
	Like, because some people just have personal issues going on that, like, what doing that just makes them feel better.
	But it's also about like being safe.
	If they're like, like what she said, they're just going around and they have no, they don't get tests or anything.
	And some people just don't even use safety.
	So they're putting other people at risk to those diseases.
	So I just think it does depend.
	Sure.
	Yeah, I think it's wrong, but I think like it's like hard.
	Like a lot of people are like, they just like go to that.
	Like, oh, like, even like with like a guy doesn't want to like get with you or something, they'll be like, oh, well, he is so ran through or something.
	Like, it doesn't matter.
	Like, I don't know.
	I think it's just like a thing for like your own like insecurity or like confidence.
	Like you just like just backtrack to that.
	Like, yeah, like she's a thought, so like doesn't matter.
	She doesn't want me.
	I mean, it's wrong, definitely, but I feel like there's like definitely more layers to it.
	Sure.
	Esther?
	I think shame is just incorrect.
	Like why would you shame someone for?
	Well certainly we can, I'm sure we can think of certain things we could shame.
	No, no, no, in this situation is all I'm referring to.
	Maybe educating someone if you find out that they don't use protection, I feel like would be more beneficial to both parties.
	Just kind of like, hey, do you know, maybe you should get checked, as your friend, like I'm just telling you, or maybe you should use protection.
	But shaming is incorrect in this situation because you don't know where they were at or where they're at right now in their life.
	Same as heart opinion.
	Repeat, so what?
	Uh, the wait?
	Um, what's the question?
	Sorry, the what?
	What was the question?
	Was I um?
	So the question is like, is slut shaming wrong?
	So, more and more specifically, like we're talking about someone who's promiscuous or who's sleeping with a lot of people, has a high body count.
	It depends.
	I don't really shame, like the people has a lot of body count, but I'm like I don't want it to.
	Like, maybe as a Japanese culture, I don't want to say anything about my body count or something.
	I just, if someone's like, ask me, like hey, what's your body count?
	I know how to say it's a secret sure, so do you guys think that?
	Should body count matter?
	It depends again, like for me personally or in general, for like everybody, should it matter?
	Like for me personally, I, let's say there's a guy.
	Yeah, let's say the men not there.
	I think I would say overwhelmingly men do care about it, but so should body count matter or do you take issue if a man were to care about your body count or other people's body counts.
	Yeah, if he found my body count an issue, I would just be like you're weird, dude.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Especially because most guys I know they can multiply mine by eight and you're stressed.
	That's a little crazy.
	I mean as long as you're clean, body count is just a social construct.
	Like it's not.
	Body count's a social construct.
	Yeah, it's just like, it doesn't matter.
	I mean you're clean.
	Well it is I don't as far as it being a social construct it is the number of people with whom you've had sex.
	But I don't think it should be like a big deal.
	Okay.
	So you would you would date a guy that slept with a hundred women or sorry a hundred women before you?
	If he was clean and a good person if he was clean.
	So you're number 101 no issue?
	And I knew his intentions were good, no issue.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Go ahead.
	I don't think it matters because like if you were dating someone and you guys had sex like three times a day, that's gonna add up to like if someone was having sex with like you know what I mean like one a different person every day.
	So wait, you're saying that the actual number of instances with which you've had sex is yeah like someone like doesn't want to be in a relationship but wants to have sex, obviously their body count is going to be higher than someone that's in a relationship and that's just having a lot of sex.
	That makes sense.
	So like no, body counts don't matter to me.
	Okay.
	I think it doesn't matter as well.
	I personally do care about body counts because it's just like being with that many, like you said, 100.
	Like me personally, I would get shocked because like how did you just like fuck that many people?
	Like why?
	He's a 6'5 athlete.
	That's what I'm saying.
	How many do you think he was?
	Actually, his body count is pretty low.
	Okay, that's not that.
	But like anyways.
	But I just care about it because I find it weird.
	Because if I have a low body count and then he has a high one, I would feel weird about it.
	I don't know why.
	But me personally, I wouldn't be with somebody who's in the double digits.
	Like higher.
	Yeah.
	I think at this age, it's like pretty rare.
	Not rare, but a lot of people like have hooked up and so they do have like higher body counts or could have higher body counts.
	That's just like nothing to shame.
	But like of course like it's still like, you know, like how did you get to that?
	Like I don't know, it tells like a lot about a person.
	Like maybe like they came out of a relationship and they're like a fucking spree because like that's what makes them feel better.
	You can kind of like, you know, put yourself in their shoes like, okay, yeah, sure.
	I don't like mind that it's high because of that reason.
	But like if there's like some people and they're like literally like just constantly, constantly like having sex, like it's like, okay, this is like kind of a problem.
	Like, you know, like, why do you like live like that?
	Sure.
	Esther?
	For me, at some point, I would just question, how does this person have this much time on their hands?
	Like, is this their like hobby?
	But if it wasn't like to that extent, I think I would just be okay with it.
	Uh, for me, it's matter because if he has a like body count like 100 over 100, I cannot trust him.
	I don't know.
	It's it's it depends on the situation, like how he's being with the girls.
	But if he said like over 100, like I can't handle it.
	Like, I cannot.
	Ew, I don't want to have sex with him.
	I don't know.
	I guess like your guys' answers, because like what the oldest out of you guys is 19 or old.
	18?
	20.
	Yeah, I guess maybe me being 22, like, oh, these answers are just so cute because like these guys are just lying to you guys most of the time.
	I'm not saying that all of them aren't, but like, especially in this area.
	Any athlete in this area alone.
	I was, I used to be an athletic training intern, if you know what that is, like at the ATI.
	Yeah.
	Most of these guys entering their freshman year were already like they stopped counting in the 60s, 70s.
	And I would see them, even if you take home one different person a week, that's already 52 people a year.
	And these guys are taking home someone almost different every week, if not multiple times a week.
	So, and just because a guy says his body count is 10 or under doesn't mean it actually is.
	So no matter what someone says, you still want to make sure they're clean and check.
	They could have a body count of two and still have our own strand of chlamydia out here.
	So I don't know.
	You guys just sound so like what I would say when I was 18 coming in.
	So I just had to get that off my chest.
	No, that's a good point.
	I mean, both men and women, I think, are going to lie about it.
	You know, I don't think you can expect people to be totally honest with their.
	You want to come in?
	Go ahead.
	I also think a big thing is that for a lot of guys, if you haven't had sex, like you're still a virgin right now, you're going to get flamed for it.
	So I know a lot of guys that just lost their virginity just to lose it.
	It didn't mean anything.
	And that's just like, I don't know, because they want to put up a front that they pull bitches.
	Like girls don't necessarily feel that way.
	They don't feel the need they have to go all the way to sex to show that they like pull.
	But guys are kind of like different.
	Like if they are not sealing the deal fully, it's just like, are you really legit?
	Right.
	So it sounded like most of you said that body count shouldn't matter, doesn't matter.
	So my question is: if body count doesn't matter, what's your body count?
	Mine's 12.
	I will not disclose.
	You won't disclose?
	No.
	Is it more than 50?
	No.
	Fuck no.
	Less than 10?
	Will not disclose.
	Just in case employers find this.
	I get it, but your employer's not.
	They're not going to trip about it.
	That's your pride.
	That's your pride.
	But you said it shouldn't matter, right?
	So then be the change you want to see in the world.
	Just five.
	Okay.
	Less than five.
	Less than five?
	Four and a half?
	Less than five.
	Fair enough.
	Three.
	Yeah, I'm really not going to say, I'm sorry.
	It's like, I've had sex.
	That's all you need to know.
	I thought it doesn't matter.
	I don't care.
	Yeah, I just can't.
	I don't want my mom to find this.
	I won't disclose.
	Disclose.
	Wow.
	Multiplied by three.
	That's the real number.
	Oh my god, no.
	I wouldn't start with a way lower number than if I was going to do that.
	No.
	Okay.
	I just don't see like, maybe because I said, once again, I'm older than you guys, basically out of college, fifth year, whatever.
	You just learn it's not really something.
	Because you could say any number you want, and people are still like, she could be lying.
	It could be higher.
	It could be less.
	It could be whatever.
	But I just don't really give a fuck.
	I'm 22, but I'd be 23 years old.
	I've slept with 12 combined women and men.
	I really don't see anything concerning about that.
	But I don't know.
	I think that's probably.
	I don't know if that's.
	I mean, you have girlfriends, right?
	So you probably talk.
	And when I say girlfriends, it's just like female friends.
	Like, are you about to be like, are you commensurate?
	Because I was going to say, at least for this area, I think you're at 22, you're a bit on the lower end.
	Yeah, because I was in a relationship a good part of college.
	Like, I've only slept with, I've slept with three different people since the pandemic started, since the poor pandemic.
	So it's like, compared to my friends, especially my bartending friends, downtown friends, yeah, most of my girlfriends are like almost near the hundreds already.
	So that's why I'm sorry.
	What?
	Wait.
	Hold on.
	How old are your friends?
	Like, almost, a lot of my friends are closer to 30.
	Okay.
	I mean, the 100 number doesn't surprise me because I know some women with 100 plus body counts.
	I mean, I knew a 19-year-old chick, 100-plus body count.
	I mean, UCSB, Santa Barbara, SBCC, Isla Vista, freshman women can rack up in the first freshman quarter semester or whatever it is, like major numbers.
	So, yeah, that doesn't totally surprise me.
	So, I just really curious, though.
	So, what would you say for your age range?
	Do you think is the average?
	For women?
	Yeah, because you said you're a bit low.
	So, do you think it's closer to like 20, 30?
	I would say, yeah, from my age, like to like 22, 25 year olds are usually around like 30, 30, 40.
	30, 40.
	Like, most of my friends are between 30.
	Like, when we like, like, a lot of us sat down and wrote down every single name, the ones that we could remember are like events, time, and places.
	Yeah.
	And they're all, yeah.
	The only ones, my only friends who have lower body counts are the ones who never left their hometown.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	And then I'll open this up to you guys too.
	Like, of your peer group, of your friends or women you know, like would you, what would you say their body count is?
	I mean, from like friends, I think I hear like a lot of like sevens, like definitely less than 10 for a lot of the people I know.
	We don't really talk about it because it's like we don't care.
	Sure.
	We don't really talk about it.
	For me, with my friends.
	If you talk about it.
	We do talk about it.
	It's like less than 10.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	My friends and I talk about sex a lot, actually.
	It's our favorite topic.
	It's just fun to talk about it.
	But yeah.
	You don't have to name names.
	No, what would you say, like the average range, if you had to guess, of either your peer group or kind of women in your age range?
	What would you say?
	I see that it like varies a lot from where you're from, I think.
	And like just where you grew up.
	Like some people who are like near like party schools or something, they're probably going to be higher just because they've been more exposed to like hookup culture.
	Let's say people in Santa Barbara.
	I love this.
	Like 10.
	Okay.
	Esther?
	We don't really talk about that.
	Okay.
	Eukina?
	I personally talk about a lot.
	Yeah, because, but, like, I talk to people who are not going to judge me.
	You know, I can trust my friends.
	And that, like, especially Japanese people are really judgmental, so I never talk about it.
	But here, yeah, I talk.
	I can say.
	Okay.
	So I need to give my take on the whole body count thing because I need to come in here.
	So I do think body count matters.
	I think it should matter.
	And I can give you guys a couple reasons why.
	So, and I do think it's different between men and women because I don't think that there's a symmetry between what women want in men and what men want in women.
	Or the preferences, boundaries, and standards that men have are different than the ones women have.
	So I think a big thing for men, and I think this has really been the case throughout all of human history, and I still think even to this day, men value sexual purity in women.
	Now, purity could mean virginity, but it could also just mean not being a hoe, not being the town bicycle.
	So men, that is a big thing for men.
	If there might be some men, you might have some guy friends who might say, I don't care about that.
	They might be lying.
	And obviously it depends.
	Like for a long-term relationship, for marriage, most men are not going to want to marry the town bicycle.
	They're not going to want to marry a woman who's.
	I mean, don't get me wrong.
	There's plenty of simps out there that are going to accept you as you come, but most men are going to have a very serious issue taking you seriously if you have a promiscuous past.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	Does anybody want to come in?
	And I maybe saw a couple eyebrow raises.
	What's the question exactly?
	Well, I'm just giving you my take.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	If you have a response to it, you're welcome to come in because my position sort of count is different than yours.
	So I don't know if you have a rebuttal or if you have an issue with anything I've just said.
	I can give you some more reasons.
	Yeah, can you just keep going?
	Yeah, sure.
	I'll keep going.
	So, I mean, there's a couple reasons why body count should matter.
	It was already kind of brought up.
	There's the STD thing.
	Someone who's more promiscuous is more likely to have an STD.
	So true.
	So if you've slept with more people.
	That's not true at all, actually.
	If you've slept with more people, it's not true.
	It's not always directly tied because some people who sleep around a lot use protection every time, right?
	People who sleep with their partners.
	You can still get an STD.
	Yeah, you totally can.
	If you've only had one partner, you've only slept with one person, you can still get an STD.
	Maybe there's infidelity.
	Maybe it was dormant or, you know, whatever.
	Maybe.
	So sure.
	But generally speaking, I would say the more sexual partners you've had, the likelihood that you're going to get an STD or will have an STD is increased.
	Yes, but there's so many factors that go into it that it's not just a direct correlation.
	I mean, they've done studies on it.
	I know, they're doing more, too.
	The higher your body count, the more partners you've had, the greater likelihood of getting an STD.
	But it's not always about getting an STD.
	It's about one, yeah, you can get an STD, but they might also just be more likely to know they have an STD because they're getting more regularly checked, except for the girl who has a boyfriend, they've been fucking for years, and she goes two years without knowing she has a chlamydia because you cheated on her in the beginning of the relationship and she never thought to get tested.
	That's a possibility.
	So it's a possibility.
	But I mean, if you had to compare the two, you're much, I mean, if you're sleeping with three new people a week, the likelihood of you getting an STD is going to be greater than if you're in a committed long-term relationship.
	It can, but it also.
	But so I'm speaking in generalities.
	I'm not saying that it's impossible, but the exception does not make the rule.
	Yes.
	So.
	But just even like, not even just based on numbers research, even based on the people I know, I, strangely enough, I don't know, not going for men, can only talk too many men about it.
	But like, a lot of the women I know, the less promiscuous they are, the bigger run-ins they've had with STDs.
	So that's the only reason why I'm saying that.
	Like I said, I mean, the exceptions.
	Yeah.
	It can also just be from being out here.
	And for some reason, people in relationships get tore up with STDs more often than people not, but I don't know.
	Yeah.
	I mean, and the other thing, too, is, I mean, yeah, you can say, well, I'll get STD tests, but I mean, most people, I'd say vast majority of people are not getting full panel STD S, sorry, STD tests.
	Oh, like herpes and things like that.
	Yeah, maybe like often if you ask to get STD tested, they're not testing for everything.
	And then there's also some STDs that aren't going to show up until later on down the road.
	Or you're supposed to wait two, three weeks before after your partner.
	It's a problem a lot of people also don't do.
	Yeah, I mean HIV, there's some other ones that can kind of show up much further down the road.
	And also people are fucking without condoms.
	So there's all kinds of.
	so there's the std thing um also it's just if someone okay so for for me personally the thought of sleeping with a new girl and she's sleeping with another guy i find that disgusting Yeah.
	I'm going to hook up with you and you fucked a guy the night before.
	Like that, to me, is just gross.
	Reasonably so.
	if someone is promiscuous that's more likely to be the case whereas if you have a low body count you only have sex with one person at a time then you're forgetting the people that they're introduced to though What do you mean?
	So like, say, yeah, it's nasty if you fucked this girl and the next day, or this girl got fucked yesterday and then you go fuck her tonight, right?
	That's nasty.
	But what if you saw instead you choose the girl who you're like, oh no, this girl, like, she must have a low body count, like she's clean, like, da-da-da-da-da.
	But then now you could be the dirty one getting introduced.
	And all it takes is just one dirty peen or dirty cooch and then your whole apartment's affected.
	I don't know.
	Like it goes so quickly.
	Like people don't realize how quick, you know, that's why it's both sides.
	Yeah, I mean, and I want to make it clear, women can also have a not want to date a guy who's promiscuous.
	Maybe you guys know like kind of a naive girl who's maybe a bit inexperienced when it comes to dating.
	Like you probably wouldn't want to set her up with the player guy.
	The guy who's like probably just going to hook up with her once.
	Like you wouldn't want to set her up with that kind of guy.
	So you'd maybe want to set her up with a guy who he himself isn't a big player guy.
	He's got lower body count himself.
	So I think it's perfectly reasonable for women to.
	So I don't want to make this seem like it's a double standard, because I mean there is.
	There certainly is a double standard and some of it is, I would say, to some degree justified.
	But men are big upped if they sleep with a lot of women, you're a stud, whereas if a woman sleeps with a lot of men, she's a slut.
	So there's a double standard there.
	I think that there are reasons for why that is.
	One of.
	One of the reasons would be, it's far easier for women to get laid than it is for men to get laid.
	I think that's one of the big reasons.
	It's not impressive for a woman like, if a woman's like I've got a, I've slept with a hundred men, it's like, okay, that's easy, congrats.
	Like it's not hard for you to do that.
	Any single girl here at this panel could walk out this outside right this building right now and fuck a guy tonight.
	If you were so inclined, either from a dating app or you could probably just walk up to a dude on the street say hey, do you want to fuck?
	And the guy's gonna be like, okay, let's go.
	Most guys are like, no guy can really pull that off.
	So it's more difficult for men to get laid?
	You disagree?
	Uh yeah, I guess yes, it's more difficult for a man to get laid, but especially being a bartender out here, like I see women throw themselves like I literally no offense to hopefully, we're obviously not and it's a stereotype, but like Santa Barbara, Isla Vista, it's like kind of a seed of a lot of easy women.
	That's why when there is creep men out here, I'm like, bro, there's so many easy options out here.
	Like you really gotta go creep on somebody who doesn't want you.
	And I can look at five girls right now who if you bought them one drink would go home with you in an instant.
	Like they're that's why their body counts are so high because it's it's it's easy for them too and they just do it and we don't.
	Well I would say women are kind of easy for very for very attractive men.
	The top tier men.
	I'm, but I'm saying I mean it's different because I'm in a place of alcohol, so it does screw things a little bit, but you don't have to as long as you don't.
	I think the bigger thing about men is not even attractive.
	Level is, as long as you don't stink, look like a creep or a weirdo and you're just like not a mess, then that's it.
	There's honestly, all it takes.
	There's a lot of easy girls out there too, like there's easy dudes.
	There's easy girls, and a lot of them meet on the weekends at the club I work at and I watch it go down.
	So I'm not.
	Yeah, I mean I'm sure that there's a ton.
	There are tons of hookups going on, whether out here in Isla Vista at the party or downtown at the bars and clubs.
	Of course, people are hooking up willy-nilly.
	I mean I, you.
	I'm not sure though, how much you're paying attention, but it's.
	Is it plausible that these people are already know each other?
	No strangers yeah, like I see.
	I see them blossom a lot of time, but it's usually just because they're really drunk.
	I think it's is alcohol is the main verdict half the time.
	But no yeah, like these.
	Yeah, it's not as hard for men as I realized, especially going downtown it's it's pretty hard still for guys to get laid.
	Maybe if you want to do it in a sensible way, like in a respectable manner sure, but if you don't care and you're just really trying to get laid, go up to any girl who's not 10, get her two nights.
	Um, I think we should just like stop saying like they're easy.
	I think like it's just some people are more willing to have sex and also like well, it's just like, it's really like not like oh, they're easy, they're a slot, they have like a high body count and stuff.
	It's just like some people, like when you get to a certain age, you like have just experienced like a lot of things, like a lot of sex whatever, and so you're at the stage where it's easy, where it's like more simple and you don't have to like think about it a lot and then like be able to go into sex.
	I mean, like at our age, I think it's kind of hard to say like yeah, like every day I'd be open to sex, because it, I mean there's a lot of factors playing into it.
	Like a lot of girls my age are still looking for like that, like perfect, like boy, like that are gonna like sweep them off their feet and like fall in love, like that's still a thing.
	And then there's some people who have like just been in the game for a while and they're at the position where they feel mature enough to feel like they can have sex.
	Like yeah, but I think I get it, because it's like the whole terminology thing, like you know, slut chain me like not trying to do that and stuff, but like it just comes down to it is there's some people who are easier to sleep with and there's some people that are harder.
	Some people you just need to give them a drink or you just need to say hello hi, and there's some people who you need to take them out on dates or you need to do that.
	It's not it's just because easy has a negative connotation to it, but it's plain and simple.
	It's easier to fuck them than it is, easier than maybe to fuck them.
	You know yeah, it is.
	I agree with you.
	There are some people I mean on the whole, using the word easy yeah, there are some people where It's easier to have sex with them than someone else.
	Some people are.
	It doesn't mean it's a bad thing.
	It's just, you know, you can help Sarah if you want a quick night, or you can help Kiki.
	Kiki, if you need to take on a few dates.
	Yeah, she got to put a ring on her finger.
	Yeah, those knees are.
	She can't ruck them anymore.
	Yeah, she.
	Okay.
	Yeah, but so, okay, so.
	So, but you were saying that you see a lot of people hooking up at the bars, thus what?
	So it, because what I was saying was, it's very difficult for men to get laid.
	Fairly difficult for men to get laid.
	Relative to women.
	Okay, it's a Tuesday night.
	It's 9:30.
	Any single one of you could download Tinder tonight and fuck a guy tonight.
	Most men are not going to be able to do that.
	Most men are not going to be able, like even really top-tier men are not going to be able to just get on Tinder.
	Okay, I want a girl tonight.
	It's not going to happen.
	Now, if he's really attractive, he might be able to set it up the next day in a couple days, whatever.
	But it's not going to be as on demand as it is for women.
	At least in my experience, like, bro.
	Okay, if I got to set up a date with the girl, maybe it's next week.
	Okay, it's in a week.
	And then it's probably not going to happen that night.
	Maybe the second or third date.
	I know a lot of you said the third three-date rule, right?
	It's going to be on the third date.
	So maybe two to three weeks down the line.
	And then, but, oh, okay, I set up the date, and then there's a 50% chance she's going to flake an hour before.
	Oh, I've got a headache.
	Okay.
	Something came up.
	Okay.
	So, like, for guys, it's much more difficult.
	Go on.
	If you...
	By the way, I wanted to let you guys know.
	I fully encourage you guys, if you disagree with me, I'm not going to be offended if you disagree.
	If you want to debate me, that's totally fine.
	Did you want to come in on this?
	Anyone else?
	I feel like I'm talking a lot.
	Alana is dying to respond.
	No.
	Okay.
	I agree with what you're saying, but like, it seems like guys have it easier where we live.
	You think guys have it easier in Isla Vista?
	To get laid?
	Yeah.
	Guys have it easier to get laid.
	Definitely.
	Definitely.
	The rest of the panel, do you guys agree that it's here in Santa Barbara, California, it's easier for men to get laid?
	Yeah, I think so too.
	Like, it's easier because we're in a college environment and a lot of girls also want to hook up with people.
	And boys have a higher chance with going and getting laid.
	All they literally have to do is have some confidence, do a little conversation.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	You just said have, just, it's easy.
	Just have some confidence.
	Like, just like, you know, like that's convenient.
	Just like just be confident.
	No, no, no, not like that, but just like go talk to a girl.
	Just have game, just be confident.
	I think if you're like, if you just go talk to a girl and you're sweet, usually like I think that's how it works.
	Like, especially in college, and there's like always alcohol and parties.
	wouldn't be that hard for like two people to start like getting laid so okay the panel thinks that here in Santa Barbara Santa Barbara the mystical land where men can get laid easier than women Oh, it's not easier, but they have it easier than most locations.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Like, I don't think it's too hard for the girls.
	Okay, so I don't disagree with you that Santa Barbara, it's easier to get laid than in Idaho.
	Fucking boisey, Idaho.
	Okay.
	Even from like LA to here.
	Like, I would even say that it's easier for a man to get laid here than it is in the London.
	Oh, no, man.
	I know some girls in LA, though, let me tell you.
	Oh, I'm sure.
	Maybe if you're a celebrity or a basketball player for like a regular Schmegler, though, in LA.
	Oh, for the average guy.
	It would probably be easier for him here than, because I swear to God, like my coworkers, I have a lot of male coworkers.
	I see them go home with different girls all the night, almost night.
	Your bartender co-workers.
	But even it could be the bar back.
	It could be the fours guy.
	Okay, like these girls, like there's so many girls, not every girl, obviously, but there's so many girls who like, at the end of the night, they have drinks and they want to hook up too.
	They just want a quick fuck too.
	And it's very common out here because it is, I think, shamed a little bit less than it is in other areas.
	Like if I tell my girls, like or if I tell, like, I'm going to get a high five, you know, if I was like, oh, yeah, I hooked up someone last night.
	And other places, you might be like, oh, like, do you know him?
	Like, who was it?
	Like, nobody really gives a fuck about that year.
	Yeah, of course.
	Like, definitely there's a lot higher status men in like, say, Los Angeles or Miami.
	I've, you know, I've been to Miami before.
	The girls, they want to fuck in.
	Dolphins player, a guy who makes 100K.
	Like, it's different, right?
	But I do want to kind of stick to the question of between men and women, who has it easier.
	And a lot of you guys said, even for that, right?
	You thought it was easier for men to get women.
	No, I think it's easier for women.
	Okay, you think it's easier for women?
	Yeah.
	Okay, fair enough.
	You disagree?
	No.
	Okay, got it.
	So I want to, and I need to kind of bring it back to the body count thing.
	So I think I listed two things.
	So if you have a high body count, if you're promiscuous, if you sleep with a lot of people, if you engage in casual sex, you are rewiring your brain towards short-term pleasure seeking.
	So if you, it's more exciting to just continually be sleeping with the next hot guy, next hot guy, next hot guy.
	Relationships take a bit of work.
	And I mean, I personally, I think that sex, the sex is better in a long-term relationship for a few reasons.
	One, if you guys have that emotional connection, if you're in love, I think the sex is going to be better.
	Also, you guys just, on a physical level, you guys just know what each other, you guys have each other figured out, like wired.
	You guys, the guy knows what the girl likes, the girl knows what the guy likes.
	Like, you've got to figure it out.
	You can, you know, on the one-night stand, you're not going to bust out some super kinky shit, probably.
	So you can definitely explore kinks in a long-term relationship.
	I think it's more, I think the sex is better with one person if you've been seeing them for a while in a long-term relationship.
	But I think it's more exciting the first few times with a new partner.
	So you're kind of rewiring your brain a bit in the same way that if you've been scrolling on TikTok for three hours and then you try to sit down and read a book, that shit's going to be hard.
	Like you're just, you're wiring yourself to, you're basically destroying your attention span, so to speak.
	And anyway, so body count, it makes, okay, if you have a high body count, it makes it more difficult for you to pair bond with a partner.
	So if you sleep with a lot of people, you're going to have a greater likelihood that you're not going to be able to properly bond with a person.
	If you've slept with 50 people, you're not going to be able to bond with number 51.
	You're going to, it's just, it's not going to, you've like almost destroyed your ability to pair bond.
	At 100, you're probably thoroughly screwed.
	And I'm trying to think what else.
	Also, they've done studies on this.
	Someone who's promiscuous who has a high body count is they're more likely to infidelity.
	There's a greater risk of infidelity if someone's promiscuous.
	Greater likelihood that the relationship is going to break up.
	Greater likelihood of divorce if you're married.
	Greater people who have more partners, they're more likely to report relationship or marriage dissatisfaction.
	So, and they've done studies on this.
	I think the CDC did a study on it.
	So, there's a whole bunch of studies on it.
	Yeah.
	Body count matters.
	Anybody?
	I think, go ahead.
	Oh, I'm just going to say, yeah, that's absolutely true.
	I feel like it's like instant pleasure.
	If you know that you could get instant pleasure from a hookup culture, it's going to be harder for you to slow down and really connect with someone.
	And plus, just if both parties are just willing to have sex and you can kind of gaslight yourself into believing that's like physical can lead to like emotional kind of.
	So yeah, I feel like it is like harder for people who have like just like been into the hookup culture to like settle down because it's just like you know like I've been doing this at work.
	It's like why am I gonna stop?
	I mean like obviously you're gonna get bored eventually.
	Like when you like get older, I feel like probably I don't know, I'm not old yet, so I don't know, but yeah, I agree with you.
	Okay.
	Esther, I think we're are we I just have something to add.
	Not that I disagree or anything, but basically you're talking about dopamine.
	So we get dopamine from TikTok, we get dopamine from, you know, the quick, basically quick satisfaction.
	And that dopamine rush is kind of just gonna get boring at some point for, I guess, I figure.
	But men and women are different.
	Women release oxytocin and feel more attachment after sex.
	Men don't feel that.
	It kind of almost is the reverse for them.
	So it depends on the gender as well.
	But for a woman, I think biologically speaking, it might be a bit overwhelming if you feel that attachment towards a lot of, if you sleep with a lot of people, or simply you just got into the habit and like you can kind of almost consciously, oh yeah, I'm attached, but this is not like true.
	This is just like what I'm feeling in the moment.
	Right.
	Well, yeah, that's what I mean by pair bonding.
	So if you're consistently just hooking up with a bunch of people, you are desensitizing yourself to that and you're just not going to be able to properly pair with somebody.
	Go ahead.
	You want them to come in?
	Sorry, there's my nose.
	Well, that's what I said earlier when you first asked the question, like it depends.
	That's why I think like, yeah, somebody with a body count of three probably shouldn't be dating somebody with a body count of 200 and vice versa.
	They should probably stick in the same realm.
	But also when you mentioned the whole infidelity things like that, I think that a big part of that is too many people trying to stay into traditions and things like that when really they should be more of a polyamorous or not tied down or a vibe like that, but they're trying to force themselves into like what's the norm.
	And then that just leads to more, because I guess some people are just more promiscuous than others.
	You want them to come in?
	Oh, like, I was kind of like experienced because I was being hooked in a hookup culture.
	And then after that, like, I was like, what am I doing?
	You know, like, I was just like, shame, not shame, but there's nothing with hookup.
	Like, there's only experience.
	That's it.
	And then there is nothing, like, there isn't no meaningful.
	That's why I was like, oh, I should change and then, like, I should have sex with a guy who I like.
	Yeah, that's like, I'm not going to say my body count, but, like, I have an experience before.
	All right.
	I'm going to do a couple super chats here.
	We got Leo with the two Euros.
	Keep up the good work, Brian.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Appreciate the support.
	Got Ian Clasper, Brian, say out loud that, okay.
	I'm not going to repeat what he said.
	I mean, he's always in the chat.
	I'm not super pressed about it, but I kind of let a lot slide in the chat, but I do want you guys to try to try not to say anything too mean about the girls and nothing overly offensive because I don't want the girls to be reading that shit.
	It kind of sours the mood a little bit.
	And then also I don't want accusations levied against me because I'm not moderating chat.
	So as far as free speech goes, I'm pretty, you know, I let a lot slide.
	We don't have much chat moderation.
	But, you know, guys, don't be overly toxic, okay?
	Just a little toxic.
	A little toxic, that's okay, but you know, don't go crazy, guys.
	But yeah, so, okay, so we're talking about it's easier, but so, okay, you guys, you're saying it's easier for women.
	Because there was initial pushback, but now you guys are saying, eh, women have it kind of easier.
	Sort of.
	To get laid.
	Okay, so dating is easier for women?
	Or are we talking just getting laid?
	Okay, you really want to come in.
	Go ahead.
	We'll go out of order.
	I think from, like, from friends' experiences and everything, I think it's easier for a woman to get laid, but relationship-wise, like, you barely, like, for guys, if they get out of a relationship, they're in another one.
	Like, you won't see them single.
	It's rare to see a guy that's not cuffed.
	I don't know.
	I think, well, I think men take breakups far harder than do women.
	Men get fucking crushed by breakups.
	Destroyed.
	We're cool at first.
	We're cool for like a week, and then we're like, fuck.
	Yeah, like a guy always, like, notice later, later.
	They always, like, after, like, it's delayed.
	Yeah.
	It's a delayed despair.
	It's delayed when they're bored and lonely and realize they couldn't get into another relationship as fast as they wanted.
	Also, it's just the way that like the two different genders process trauma and hurt.
	Because for women, we oftentimes have a lot of emotional support around us from our friends and stuff.
	But for guys, you don't see them going around to their boys and saying, oh, I just got dumped by this girl, blah, blah, blah.
	For them, like, all they get mostly from their guy friends, from the boys is just, oh, yeah, whatever, just move on, like, to go find some other girl.
	But for girls, when we talk to our friends, we really do have a lot of support, and we have a lot of deep and thorough conversations about processing that trauma.
	And so that burden is kind of spread out a little bit, whereas for guys, it's not, and they really handle it themselves.
	And they want to come off as cool and stuff.
	So for the first period of time, no one knows about it, but then all of a sudden it just blows up.
	Like that.
	Okay, so you, oh, Esther, did you want to come in?
	I just totally agree.
	I think, and that's why men, if you think about it, there's research done, which is really interesting, saying that men never really get over their breakups, which is really sad because the way they've been conditioned to process their trauma is, well, not to process it.
	So, you know, oftentimes you will just hear from friends.
	Like, I'm like seeing this guy and he's still talking about this girl, or I have this guy friend and he's still talking about that girl.
	Yeah, well, because it takes so much time because they never had the chance to actually sit, think, you know, cry through it, and it's totally normal.
	I think that's a healthier way to do it instead of then dumping it on another girl and then kind of just like repeating that process all over again.
	And I really don't know how far you can take it.
	Word?
	Word?
	Cool.
	Okay.
	So trying to think where we left off here.
	Oh, yeah, I wanted to pull up a video.
	That's right.
	Eric, if you can go ahead and pull up a video, we're going to react to a gentleman.
	We're going to react to a gentleman here.
	Everyone's favorite fan or favorite man.
	Sorry.
	So we talked about body count.
	We're going to hear Andrew Tate's take.
	Go ahead and pull up the videos tab and we're going to watch the body count.
	You know what's so attractive about younger women?
	Because a lot of these dudes talk about fertility and looks and stuff.
	I don't actually think it's that.
	I think that in the modern world, in the days of old, right, you'd meet a woman, you get married, you'd be together, whatever.
	In the modern world, if I meet a girl who's 33 and single, I know the amount of dick that's been through her before me is just simply unattractive.
	I don't care how nice you are, but you're 33 years old.
	How many men have fought?
	If I get a 19-year-old girl, I might be her second or third man, right?
	I'm going to be dude number fucking 29.
	And all the trauma and heartbreak and bullshit they put you through, you're going to try and bring to my door?
	Like, well, my last man cheat.
	I don't give a fuck.
	Like, I don't care.
	Like, why is that my problem?
	So, if you pick up older women, you have to accept they've been on the carousel longer.
	They've had more fucking rides, more spins.
	I don't want that shit.
	When I see a beautiful young woman, I know that she has a very low body count.
	And also, no, but no, but the truth is, women's mentality is absolutely connected to sex.
	If a woman sleeps with a bunch of men, it's harder to penetrate her mind and make her fall in love with her.
	And it's unattractive, isn't it?
	But if she's had 30 dudes inside of her, she really didn't think, you know what, this guy's so, so, so special?
	Or she didn't think, you know, like, he talked to me, Rio, I'll go get a new guy.
	Whereas if a woman's only been with a few guys, she's much more likely to fall in love with you, be a better partner.
	Except the likelihood of her falling completely in love with you and staying loyal to you and really believing you're the only man for her, after being through so much trauma and so many men and sleeping with so many dudes and having her heart broken and having those memories of her ex and all that crap she's been through, is far less likely than meeting a nice young, beautiful girl who hasn't been with many men and she goes.
	You know what?
	This is the guy.
	I like him.
	Every woman who knows this and every man who watches this can be honest.
	Women fall in love with the person who loses her virginity too, or their second or third guy.
	They really remember them.
	They really love them.
	Any woman who slept with 60 dudes she doesn't even remember who most of them are.
	She doesn't care if a woman slept with a bunch of men before you.
	She's less likely to stick it out through a difficult period in a relationship.
	She's more likely to just say, you know what?
	New answers, new dating.
	It's a pretty good answer and that's the truth.
	Let me make something clear.
	If I meet a beautiful 30 year old woman, i'm not saying I won't sleep with her.
	That's pretty fucking old.
	Yeah 30, I know what?
	Are you crazy?
	I, there's been times I was drunk.
	Okay, your reaction to the video?
	Um, i've seen this video multiple times.
	Um, it's just always so funny to me, like how he blatantly, Blatantly says, like, yeah, like, he's just admitting that one, either his dick is hella small or not good, or his, like, personality and everything is so trash that a woman who has encountered more than three men just will not stay with him.
	I mean, give yourself a better fighting shot, bud.
	Like, you're just shitting on yourself, honestly, when you break it down.
	What, what's with the penis thing?
	Because he's saying, oh, a 19-year-old has only slept with three men, so you know, she's not going to leave me.
	Like, well, you're scared of a woman that's seen more than three penises is going to look at yours and be like, shit, I know there's better than that out there.
	I got to get away.
	If you were packing or something, I don't think you'd care how many she had.
	So he's just showing how, like, you know, not only little dick energy, but like, probably actually, like, seriously, a little dick in there.
	It's a little crazy to me.
	I'll give my take at the end.
	I'll just let everyone react.
	Go ahead.
	I mean, I don't think men or just like anyone should assume someone's body count based on their age.
	Like, it really depends.
	Like, a 19-year-old can have like 50 bodies, while a 30-year-old can have like two.
	Like, it really just depends.
	And people shouldn't assume everyone's different.
	But how much will that 19-year-old with 50 bodies have by the time she's 30?
	I mean, like I said, everyone's different.
	Someone can have a higher body count by 30.
	Others can just keep it at a steady number, I guess.
	But yeah, I just don't think people should assume body counts and all that.
	Okay.
	Actually, just really quick to address that.
	Yeah, I mean, you're definitely right.
	Like, a woman who's 19, she could have, he's obviously not living in Santa Barbara, could have a 40-person body count.
	And a woman who's in her 30s, she could have a handful.
	I feel like it just depends on the person.
	And like, just because your body count is 30 doesn't mean that like she's not going to commit to you.
	Like, I don't think that it matters.
	Especially for women.
	Like, you were saying, like, it matters more.
	I don't know.
	I don't.
	I don't think you should say that they're not going to stay with you just because your body count is 30.
	Wait, so what was the bit about?
	Because you were saying how the body count does matter, but I think in this case, it.
	Can you tilt the microphone down towards you just a bit?
	I feel like.
	That's good.
	I feel like, in this sense, it doesn't matter because I don't know.
	It just depends on the guy and the girl and if they like each other and if they're going to stay together.
	Okay.
	I'm just trying to remember what I said about how it's different for the men and the women, but are we talking about the double standard?
	Are you referencing the double standard?
	How men are viewed as studs if they sleep with a lot of people and women are viewed as sluts?
	When you were saying that, like, I don't really remember exactly what you were saying, but I agreed with it, and now I'm like taking it back a little bit because I'm like, just because her body count is 30 doesn't mean she's not going to be loyal to you.
	Basically, because he was saying that she's not going to be.
	But it depends if he likes her and she likes him.
	Is it possible that a woman who slept with 100 men could be loyal to you?
	I suppose.
	But like, you know, we all sort of look to the people we're potentially going to partner with and we make judgment calls.
	You know, we're not going to do a full thorough background check and, you know, before, I guess some people do, literally.
	But so one of the ways that men make a judgment about women is: were they promiscuous in the past?
	And we're going to infer certain things about them.
	Is this going to go the distance?
	Is infidelity likely?
	So it's not certainly a woman who's had slept with 100 men, maybe she could be a fantastic partner.
	Maybe.
	But if I'm a betting man, I'm going to bet against it.
	Yeah.
	Did you want to continue?
	No, I agree with that.
	It just depends.
	I just think so much of this conversation is about looking down at women for whatever body count they have.
	And whereas for guys, it's almost, it's just entirely the opposite.
	Like, you don't see another figure like Andrew Tate going, like, as a woman like Andrew Tate going around talking about how high her body count is.
	How high men's body count is?
	How like her body count, how her own body count is.
	Because Andrew Tate's going around talking about how many girls she slept with and how many guys, how many girls you can get, but you don't get that for girls.
	Because it's like for guys, it's okay and it's good and it's like a flex, but for girls, it's not.
	So I don't know.
	There's nothing we can do right, it seems like.
	Okay.
	I mean, I did go around the table and ask.
	A few of you omitted answering the body count question.
	Yeah.
	For that reason, exactly.
	Like if it's too low, it's a problem.
	If it's too high, it's also a problem.
	Wait, if a woman's body count is too low, it's a problem.
	Yeah.
	Isn't that like a thing too?
	Guys would think that, oh, she doesn't know what she's doing.
	I'm going to avoid.
	No.
	Guys want the lowest body count possible.
	Yes.
	The lower, the better.
	I've definitely.
	I've only seen like TikToks where the guy would be like, oh, she has like lower body count.
	I wouldn't go there.
	Yeah, that's a good idea.
	Yeah, that guy's weird.
	That's fucking weird for a guy to be like, no, no guy is going to be like, gee, I really wish my girlfriend fucked more guys before me.
	No, like, no, guys are not, like, the lower, if, even for a one-night stand, for most, for most men, they're going to be like virgin.
	If they had the option.
	If she was down, virgin versus the girl with 30 bodies.
	Oh, okay.
	But then realistically, usually like when the girl has like little to no experience, guys are like, oh, she's a prude.
	She like Virgin Mary, whatever.
	It's always like, if it's too little, it's a problem.
	If it's too high, it's also a problem.
	There's no in between.
	Even for just a hookup, though, given the option, assuming they're both equally down, I can speak for myself.
	I think a lot of guys would agree.
	Give us the girl with one body or zero over the girl with 30.
	Isn't that concerning to you that you guys think that way?
	Like, that's just so weird to me.
	Why is it concerning?
	But it's like for me personally, I would rather like, kind of like what they were saying about the guys, like, yeah, like, if I find out a dude's a virgin or like one body, I'm like, I'm not going to probably want to waste my time.
	Because the sex is going to be bad potentially.
	Yes, and I'm not even trying to take this to a weird place.
	That's why I kind of regret even opening my mouth.
	Take it to a weird place.
	Yes, but like, you don't see the, like, am I the only one that's like having a connotation with that?
	What?
	The connotation.
	Men want virginity virgins.
	No dick inside of you.
	What?
	And then.
	It's almost territorial, it sounds like.
	Is that not weird?
	Like, they don't want somebody else peeing on their tree.
	What is the connotation?
	You get what I'm saying?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	What?
	But we kind of talked about how we wouldn't go there, so I'm like, not trying to go there.
	Go where?
	To some weird shit.
	Do you know what I mean?
	Just guys having a preference for their partner?
	Guys having a preference for women to be as close to pre-pubescent as possible.
	Well, okay.
	That's why I wasn't trying to do that.
	No, no, no, no.
	But okay, we're speaking within the context of adult women.
	Yes, I know.
	Women over the age of 18.
	Oh, I'm not saying, I'm not saying child at all.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	Adult women, but the men who go for adult women are still trying to make them as pre-pubescent as possible.
	Like, you know, the whole hairlist is.
	An 18, 19, 20, or 21-year-old adult woman can be a virgin.
	You're not getting what I'm saying.
	I'm saying those women, yes, they are grown women, but there's a lot of problems with men trying to go for women as close to being a child as possible.
	Do you get what I'm saying?
	Okay, so you're talking like age gap relationships?
	Not even, yes, but not even as silly.
	I could still be a 20-year-old and a 20-year-old, but that 20-year-old dude is going for a 20-year-old girlfriend who, if we looked close, if you just look past her, she might look like she's like 14.
	You know what I mean?
	Well, I don't think, I mean, if she's of age, if she's 18 or 19, I don't think we should.
	Some women have younger features.
	That's not, I know, but I'm saying it's sought after.
	Like the whole virginity thing, like never been touched by a man before, never had a penis inside of her.
	Like, I want her completely hairless, no hair, nothing, never been touched by me.
	Do you get what I'm saying?
	I kind of see, no, I see where you're going.
	I see where you're going.
	I see where you're talking about that.
	I see where you're going, but I mean, I'm not trying to talk about that.
	What I'm saying, what Andrew Tate is saying, is adult women, right?
	Yes, virginity or low body count is something that we value.
	Okay, you wanted to come back?
	I think, yeah, I think there definitely are people like where you're the realm you're getting into, and that's kind of like a different thing.
	But I think a lot of it has to do with what you get from someone who isn't who's a virgin.
	It's kind of just like, it's like, I don't, like, a lot of people just have insecurities.
	And like, when people have lower body counts or something, or like higher body counts, you just want to be like something to them.
	Like, you want to be important.
	When people have higher body counts, it's kind of like, like, I, like, what I see, like, sometimes like people just like want to be like the best out of it.
	Like, I think there's like territorial aspects to it.
	I think there's a lot of aspects of just like people wanting to be something important, be something special.
	I think like that's somehow got, like, I know there's some weird guys are like really fetishized, like, the thing if, like, you're a virgin, because it's just like, oh, like, I got you first.
	It's like you're collecting like your Pokemons or whatever.
	Like, I got, like, I have these many virgins, whatever.
	But I think like the same thing for girls, like, like, if you get with a guy who's a virgin, you're also a virgin.
	It's kind of like this special bond, like, because like you guys are, like, you know, like, figuring things out together.
	So it can kind of like go both ways.
	Obviously, I don't think, like, I think Andrew Tate is stupid, like, pretty much, like, that's all I'm going to say about that.
	But, like, I, like, I get what it is, like, what people are saying.
	Like, if a girl wants, you know, if a girl's a virgin wants to be with a guy who's a virgin too, like, you know, like, you, like, there's nothing to judge.
	Like, it makes sense.
	It's like, just like an emotional aspect to it.
	I want to add on, like, isn't it problematic that we're basing people and their worth on how many other people they've slept with?
	Like, are you going to truly form a meaningful relationship if this is what you care about?
	Like, shouldn't you be focusing on what this person values?
	And okay, this might sound like cliche, but isn't it true?
	Like, are you truly going to like form it?
	Like, and one night stand, okay, I understand.
	But, like, if you're planning to, you know, take a serious relationship or get in one, like, if this is what you're concerned about, I don't really know if you're going to have something deep to connect on.
	If you're ready for a relationship at all, if that's what you can do, so you're saying that someone who would be concerned about their partner's past sexual exploits or promiscuity is not emotionally or mentally, like, they're not in the right mindset to have a relationship.
	Because if they're what about highly religious people that they're waiting until marriage to get married, they want to be their virgin, they want a partner that's a virgin.
	So to them, being with a partner that has a low body count or who has no body count in this case, that's a priority to them.
	That's is there an issue there?
	I think you misinterpreted me for a little bit.
	I think more of like the extent to which we're spending time on this conversation currently and to way like the extent Andrew Tate talks about it.
	And I understand like the topic of this, but I think if you care about it so much, like that this is like such a priority, maybe take a step back.
	I'm not saying it's totally not important.
	I'm saying it's maybe not as valuable as we're making it out to be, of course.
	And to some, this might be very valuable.
	But, you know, just take it into consideration.
	Well, I would say that I think for men, men care about body count more than women care about it.
	Men are more interested in this than women are.
	So I think most a lot of women probably don't care.
	And it kind of comes back to well, something we sort of touched on is that I think women sort of value men who are a bit more experienced and a guy who's a bit more experienced, whether that be in the bedroom or just relationship-wise.
	So the thing is, is that men and women are attracted to different things.
	Men have different preferences than do women.
	There are some where there's some preferences, standards, or boundaries that both men and women share, but there are also asymmetries too.
	Someone else wanted to come?
	Well, I just think the biggest part of what I find is Andrew Tate's age for him to like, you know.
	Yeah, he's 35.
	Yeah, for him to like just be like, you know, like saying like all this.
	Like at 35, like it's a top G then.
	You probably.
	He's a top G. He's a top what?
	Top G.
	Okay, continue.
	Sorry.
	I'm just saying like it's just like, you know, you're 35.
	You probably had sexual experiences.
	Like it's like kind of just stupid to like judge women at 35 for having a body count.
	I feel like when we were younger, like if you're like 16, like I think like we definitely go into a lot of things like looking at how many people have been, like people, how many people that person has been with.
	It's just because we're young.
	Like we don't like we don't understand like the complexities of body count, sexuality, sex in general.
	But when you're like that, like when you're that age and like you can't like see it like from like a like a unit, like a whole like general thing, it's kind of just like a little scary because it's just like, you know, you've seen more than an 18 year old, but like you're like, why are you like judging about a body count?
	Like it's just so stupid.
	Like there's like more things to judge like someone on than their body count at that age.
	Well, I think that's why he, in the very beginning of the video, he says, he talks about body count too, but he also talks about wanting to date younger women.
	So I think he's saying I would, if I had the choice, I'd rather date someone who was 19, 20, 21 versus a woman closer to his age, like in his 30s.
	I don't think a lot of guys can pull that off, but I think for Andrew Tate, who's incredibly wealthy, I think he's tall.
	He's an ex-kickboxing world champion.
	He's incredibly famous now.
	What's that?
	I thought he was Pitbull at first.
	Pitbull.
	And I had to really pay attention.
	I was like, oh.
	Yeah.
	Would any of you date Andrew Tate?
	No, He's not babe status to anybody, you Kina?
	No, no, no.
	Okay.
	Sorry, Andrew Tate.
	RIP.
	Well, so, okay, so to bring it back to body count, so I don't think did we we were going around the table on this and then I think I jumped in somewhere Did I start with you?
	I'm trying to remember Did everyone get to give their reaction to the video because I don't think everyone did I think we're on me yeah Okay Oh wait, no, I didn't go on the video.
	Yeah, your reaction to the video.
	So for the video, I think Andrew Tate just saying how somebody wouldn't be loyal to him just because they've, they have a high body count.
	But what if the thing is, what if he he I, what if he has a high body count?
	He for sure has a high body count, so he does, he.
	It is a double standard for him.
	Yeah, but like, but the other person that he's interested in doesn't care that he has a high body count, because they both have high body counts, but he's just very like it's just the double standard.
	Like it is a double standard that he says.
	But is it a justified double standard?
	No, I don't think so, because it would.
	I'm not saying it's justified, but if somebody has like a really low body count and they're talking to somebody who has like a hundred plus body counts like, let's say that person has under 10, they want somebody that has like the same amount as them.
	But they're not gonna, like you know, full on, judge them off of them having that many body counts.
	And he's just full on judging them.
	And even though he is also in the same standard okay, and you wanted to come in yeah, I think you can just like get a lot like.
	There's like definitely a lot of projected insecurities.
	When like, your big issue is someone's body count like it's kind of like like why like, why is it so important?
	What which was I was already talking about.
	Um, I mean like, if you really like someone and their body count is high, like I like there's always like the discussion of just like you know like who have you been with and stuff and like, and you'll kind of get like a feel of like why it is like some people are just like better with like having sex like natural, and it's not like they don't get like a lot of like emotional repercussions.
	You know what I mean.
	Um like, i've definitely like had those conversations.
	It's just like oh, like you know like what were you doing?
	Blah blah, blah.
	Like it's not like me like genuinely judging, but I feel like from him, his like only his like main focus is your body count and like that's definitely like a projected, insecure insecurity, because it's just like maybe he's like not, he can't like lay it down good, and so he's like scared.
	He's gonna be like like compared to all these people you've been with like, of course, like he might be looking at just like he wants, like a pure girl, but it's like he's not a pure man.
	So it's just like, why are you saying something?
	And like don't expect me to say something.
	Well, I think it all.
	It just sort of comes back to um, there's asymmetries in what men and women find attractive.
	So it happens.
	And, by the way, he does focus on the body count.
	Uh oh Jesus okay, he does, we'll get to that one later.
	He does, I don't know actually.
	No, sorry man, ten dollars and up sorry um we uh, what's it called um?
	So okay he, he does care about body count, but you probably don't want to hear the other shit he has to say.
	He's got a lot of other Preferences and standards for women.
	And to touch on what Esther was saying, so you're saying how why is it such a like a big focus?
	If this is such a big focus for you, then like shouldn't there be other things that are really important?
	But for men, like a lot of men, and a lot of men are not going to, even if you ask your guy friends, you can ask them after the show.
	A lot of men are not going to be able to be honest with you about these sort of things because like most men, if they were to be 100% honest with their preferences, standards, or boundaries, it's going to be met with some sort of contempt or shaming language, or you're going to be viewed as either insecure or small dick.
	You got a small dick or you're insecure, you're a misogynist, you're an intel, whatever it may be.
	It's always going to be met with some sort of derision, disdain, or some sort of contempt.
	So men are not able in today's day and age to be honest about their preferences, standards, and boundaries.
	Word.
	You disagree?
	They can't be honest about their standards.
	No.
	They can't be honest.
	Unless their standards are something that's illegal, then I don't see who's judging them for what they want.
	A lot of people.
	If most men were to be upfront about what they want, it's going to like, a lot of girls are going to be like, not going to want to fuck with him.
	So most guys are not going to like it.
	What are they wanting up front?
	Okay, let me give you, I can give you guys an example, right?
	So for me and for a lot of men, we really don't care about a woman's career.
	It is not important to us.
	Okay.
	For a lot of men.
	If you tell a girl that, if you were to tell a girl that, I think a lot of girls are going to have an issue.
	If you told me you don't care what my career is.
	Yes.
	You'd probably be like, fuck you.
	I'm like, thank you for.
	Oh, like, if I'm talking about my career and you should say you don't care what I'm talking about.
	No, no, no, no.
	But if a guy says, listen, it's great that you make your own money, but I really, it's not important to me what your career is.
	Men don't value really, most men really don't care that much.
	A guy who's a lawyer, who's making $250,000 a year, he's a litigation attorney, he'll date a barista.
	He does not care about that.
	That's good for me.
	But I'd say what I'd say is to that is that most women who are very successful, have a good career, you're going to want to date a guy who's on your level or higher.
	You're not going to, if you're a litigation attorney as a woman, you're going to be looking, okay, I want to date a doctor.
	I want to date someone who's making as much money as you or has some high-value career.
	You're not going to go date the 19-year-old barista at Starbucks.
	True enough.
	As a woman.
	What's the point though?
	My point is that there's asymmetries in what men and women find attractive.
	And I think that if guys were to say, oh, well, that's great that you're a marketing director at whatever company, it doesn't make you as a woman more attractive is what I'm saying.
	I think a lot of women would be like, well, I've would, because you're kind of, I think what a lot of women do is they look at the male metric of attraction.
	What are traits or things that I would find attractive in the partner?
	Okay, ambitious, successful, hiringer, et cetera, et cetera.
	Maybe, I mean, I know a lot of you guys are in college, so you're probably not hyper-focused at this point on the guy's career.
	But I think as you start to get a bit older, you're going to start looking at, is this person going to be able to provide for me?
	So finances do become a bit more of a factor as you get a bit older.
	This is a fairly young panel, so it might not be making, I might not be totally making sense at this point.
	Yeah, that makes sense, especially like the first aid thing.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Are you saying that men don't really value ambition and drive then?
	And what do they want then?
	We value positive characteristics in women, but I would say that a woman who's ambitious, that's so low on the totem pole.
	Really, men don't care about women's ambition.
	Now, if you're coming to us and you have $200,000 in debt and you're a bum, like you should be doing enough, I think, to be able to, I mean, take care of yourself.
	Take care of yourself.
	If you're in like dire financial situation, that's not a great look.
	But like whether you're making $40,000 a year or you're a hyper-successful, you know, whatever it is, you're doing $250K a year, or you have your own business, you're making seven figures a year.
	Most men are not really going to look at that and be like, whoa, that's really attractive.
	So, yeah, I don't think men are particularly.
	Like, also, I would say the other thing is, like, I would say most men don't care if you hear a lot of women say, I want a guy who's funny.
	Men don't give a fuck if you're funny.
	If you're funny, great, good for you.
	But we don't care.
	So, what do you guys care about?
	What do men care about?
	Yeah.
	I can get into that if you guys want.
	We've talked a little bit.
	One of the big things is body count.
	So, I could give you, I have a list written down if you guys want to.
	Oh, this is good.
	Yeah, that's perfect.
	This was the list.
	But before I tell you the list, I'd like to just go around the table really quick.
	Is there a preference, standard, or boundary that you guys think men have that you take issue with?
	Like, what do you mean?
	Can you clarify a bit?
	Is there a say a guy has a preference for something?
	It could be a physical trait or it could be a personality trait characteristic.
	For example, the body count thing could be one of them.
	I would take an issue.
	You would say, oh, I have an issue with a guy who has a high body count.
	Sorry, I would have an issue with a guy who has an issue with a woman who has a high body count.
	Or you could say, you could have an issue with a guy who there's a certain physical thing.
	I'm trying to think.
	Small dick.
	No, no, no.
	Like, men's preference.
	Is there a preference, standard, or boundary that men have for women that you think is problematic or you take an issue with?
	I know body count's probably an obvious one for some of you, but.
	I kind of have an idea.
	I think when guys only want to date girls that are much younger than them, because it has to do with control and dominance when the girl, clearly, like when they're much younger, don't really know what's going on yet.
	They're too young to be, they're too young, so they're being manipulated.
	So older men who want to date younger women.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Because what are you trying to achieve from that?
	Like, you're trying to manipulate and control them.
	Well, I mean, heaven forbid a man finds a woman who's at her peak physical attractiveness attractive.
	But why is that her peak attractiveness?
	That should be aging with you, should it not?
	Well, I mean, and they've done studies on this, but overwhelmingly find men find women between the ages of 18 and 25 the most attractive.
	This is men from the age of 18 to 60.
	Did they do for women too, for men's age?
	They did.
	I'm surprised if I'll be really shocked if it's under 30.
	For women?
	For women, it kind of like matches up closer to their age.
	But men, as far as what they find physically attractive, it's 18 to 25.
	So I mean, and Tate also gave another reason, body count, someone who's younger.
	Someone who's younger also, it's there's a couple reasons.
	One of them is actually rooted in biology.
	So when women reach 35 years old, they're starting to get into high-risk pregnancy age range.
	And then by the time they're getting into their 40s, 45, the likelihood that a woman can get pregnant is very minuscule or just non-existent.
	So biologically evolutionary, men are, it's not even something we intellectualize.
	We are attracted to women who are younger because women who are younger, who have indicators of youth, they are more fertile.
	So it's in the same way that women are attracted to tall men or physically large men, it's evolutionary because men who are tall or physically large are more capable of protecting you and more capable of providing for you.
	And this goes back to our fucking caveman days, you know, where you wanted a big partner who was physically large because someone who's physically large is more capable of protecting you.
	I think that's about women that aren't able to take care of themselves.
	I think now times are obviously different.
	Women are, you know, we're not able to take care of ourselves.
	So I don't think that's the case anymore.
	Yeah, well, I think, I mean, we could go around the panel on this.
	I mean, do you guys, any of you, would any of you date a man who's shorter than you?
	Be honest, please, though.
	Same height.
	Or taller.
	Yeah, because I already wore like four-inch platforms every day.
	How tall are you?
	I'm like 5'7 without my platforms.
	Okay, how tall was your last boyfriend?
	5'7 and a half.
	Okay.
	All right, fair enough.
	Ideally, would you like to date a guy who's taller than you?
	Ideally, but like if the connection is just like through the roof, then I think it shouldn't matter either.
	How tall are you?
	I'm 5'4, so it's not.
	So 5'3, guy?
	You're giving them the chance?
	Great connection, but.
	If it's like really great, I feel like it could be rare.
	I don't know.
	Fair enough.
	I want them to be taller, yeah.
	Okay.
	Taller as well.
	Taller as well.
	Sure.
	Taller for sure.
	Esther.
	Taller.
	Okay.
	Taller.
	Right.
	Definitely.
	See, but I don't think anybody bats an eye when women say, I want a guy who's my height or taller, right?
	Because I don't think there's anything morally wrong with that.
	But if a guy that's like 70 or 60 is wanting to date a girl that's barely 21, I think there's something like that.
	A guy who's how old, 70 or 60?
	60, yeah, or something like that.
	And then the girl is like barely 21.
	Obviously, there's something wrong with that.
	I mean, for that specific example, couldn't you make the argument that it's actually more predatory for the woman to want to date someone that old?
	I think.
	For financial reasons.
	For a woman to want to date, willing to date someone that old, I mean, love works in mysterious ways, but I would say overwhelmingly there's going to be a financial component to that sort of relationship.
	Still got a little family.
	What's that?
	Go ahead.
	No, no, no.
	I mean, that's arguing against a woman gaining a financial gain or a man being a possible pedophile.
	So I feel like those are just two very different things.
	Okay, but.
	P-word.
	A 70-year-old man dating an 18-year-old is not a pedophile.
	That is definitely brinking on the fact that you probably did some questionable things in his youth.
	Yes, if he's still attracted to a woman that young when he's progressed that much.
	What about a 21-year-old?
	I say the same, yes.
	So 70-year-old who's attracted.
	I mean, but again, here's the thing: is that men are evolutionary.
	It's not even something that we can necessarily control.
	What men find, the age range men find most physically attractive is 18 to 25.
	Now, whether a man can actually get a woman who's in that age range if he's older, that's another question.
	But if it was, I'd say if it was up to most men, most men do find that age range the most physically attractive.
	I think finding it attractive is fine, but like pursuing it is the problem because men aren't, like, we're not animals anymore.
	We're not animals anymore.
	Like, I'm only 22, and I can look at a kid who's 16 90% of the time, and I'm like, damn, they look like they're 12 or something, like crazy already.
	So, it's like an 80-year-old.
	I know because I'm only 22.
	I know because I'm only 22.
	So, even like an 18-year-old, for instance, okay, let's make it legal.
	18-year-old.
	I can see majority 18-year-olds.
	Like, even when I walked into this room and saw all these girls, I was like, Holy shit, I'm hella old compared to these girls here.
	Or an 18-year-old man.
	So, it's the older you get, the more child-liking the younger somebody is gets.
	So, it's like that's why it is creepy to me.
	Because if you were 80 years old, still attracted to a 20-year-old, you were probably 20 years old attracted to someone under the age of 18 and higher up, is my point.
	Sure.
	I mean, the 70 to 21-year-old example, I mean, that's pretty rare, but like, so would you take also?
	I want to ask this: would you take issue with the reverse?
	So, cougars, you take issue with cougars, it's the same amount of predatory, it's still predatory no matter the gender.
	Well, I don't, I disagree with you that it's predatory.
	I don't see how it's predatory.
	That's fine.
	Before I let you come in, Eric, can you pull up if you can pull up the it might be tough for you to pull up the folders in the Dropbox.
	I want you to pull up the two age-range things in the other tab if you can.
	If you can drag it over to keep that the same size, no, Oh, yeah, just drag that over to the other screen.
	There you go.
	If you can move it back, sorry, guys, we're just pulling up because I want to show you guys.
	This was a this was a study that was done that sort of shows the age range attractiveness breakdown that I mentioned before.
	But okay, go ahead, you wanted to come in?
	Um, I was just saying about like the cougar thing or like um, like predatory nature.
	I think like they just have to focus on the fact that, like, what are the repercussions for these young boys and young girls who are being like sought by these older people who've had like a lot more experience?
	Like, it's definitely gonna change the way like they see like dating and hooking up.
	Like, they're gonna not want to like have like these high body counts or something, or they're not gonna wanna get with people who like are their age maybe because like they don't see that they're attractive.
	Um, so yeah, I think like, of course, it doesn't matter if you're like a girl or a boy, if you're being preyed on, there's gonna be like you know, like emotional repercussions, and it's gonna change like just the way like dating and hooking up is.
	I mean, I don't think it's not, I wouldn't consider it being preyed on because both men and women have agency.
	So, if you I feel like you're taking away agency from young people, someone who's 21 there they can date someone who's 31, both men and women, like I they're adults, they can okay.
	At 18, you can join the military and go die.
	You can buy a firearm, you can buy cigarettes at 21, you can buy alcohol, you can rent a car.
	Well, rent a car, I think that's 25.
	Anyways, that's a minor one.
	At 18, you can sign a legally binding contract, you can take on hundreds of thousands of dollars of student debt.
	But you're telling me that an 18-year-old can't doesn't want to fuck someone who's 10 years their senior.
	I mean, sorry.
	I mean, it's kind of what Megan was saying.
	It's like if you're attracted to someone and like, okay, if you're a 60-year-old man and you're looking at a picture of a model and you find her attractive, like I understand, but it's about like the action.
	And what you're saying is like misconstruing the psychological kind of repercussions of emotional relationships.
	Like, do you think the laws that are given that they're right?
	Like, the fact that we do have so much responsibility at such a young age, is that correct?
	Like, those are, we can also question those.
	Those we have found out recently haven't had adequate research when they were introduced.
	So of course, when someone, let's say the age difference is 20 years, okay?
	I think we're not making it super dramatic, but also, you know, kind of in the middle.
	That the age, the seniority gives them authority.
	So you're going to associate relationships with a figure of authority, making you feel as if you don't have as much agency as you do.
	Because as you mentioned, technically, technically speaking, you do.
	But you're going to be made.
	I mean, of course, there could be someone lovely and it could all be love, but you could be made feel like, oh, I'm young and they're the ones that are going to make decisions for me.
	And it almost sets up a weird parental dynamic.
	Like, it's definitely emotionally unhealthy.
	And also, I want to add to what you added for the evolutionary standpoint.
	That's definitely proven by research.
	Of course, men prefer women who look fertile.
	They prefer women who are young and have good skin because that's like literally proven because they want women who like look like they can bear children.
	But to say like to act on that when you're a certain age and to you know to make someone feel as if they're like little and to feel like you're gonna dominate them not in every case but I don't think that's acceptable.
	I mean the thing is is I just I outright reject this idea that there is a necessarily a power imbalance or that it's predatory in any way.
	There's cougars out there.
	Cool.
	There's guys in their 30s that want to date women early 20s, whatever it may be.
	So I think it just comes down to preferences really.
	If it happens to be the case that men generally have more of a preference for women who are between the ages of 18 to 25, it is what it is.
	I think most men are not going to be, to sort of add to your point, most men are not going to actually be able to enact on that because unless you're incredibly high status, for you to be like 35, 40, dating a girl who's 20, you're going to have to be very high status, athlete, musician, something like that, or just be very financially well off.
	And then you're kind of getting into like sugar baby, sugar daddy territory a little bit.
	So, I mean, it could be argued, though, that, you know, age is but only one of many factors that could be related to like a supposed power imbalance.
	And I kind of reject the whole like power imbalance thing outside of workplace and educational settings and perhaps like medical or therapy settings.
	Like, of course, that is definitely not appropriate.
	But here's a scenario, okay?
	A 30-year-old man who is shy, who is a virgin, who's never, I've written this down, who's never had sex versus a 20-year-old, 21-year-old stripper who's been having sex for three years, who's had multiple partners and multiple relationships and multiple sugar daddies, who's been flown around the world, Dubai, who has, who has more power and social savvy in that scenario?
	I wanted to add something to what you were saying about, you know, the power dynamic.
	I didn't say power dynamics coming, especially from age.
	They could come from situations like this, and I was going to go off saying that in friendships, there could be friendship dynamics with someone who's simply way more well off or has way more to offer.
	So I'm not, this is what you're saying is a perfect example of a power dynamic, just in a different scenario.
	So you're just saying that power dynamics exist in a different light, which is how the world works.
	Word?
	Did anyone else want to come in on this?
	Actually, sorry, before I have anyone else come in, Eric, were you able to find the two infographic charts?
	Oh, are you in the folder right now?
	So go to the podcast and then go to the infographics folder.
	Let me know when you're there.
	So it's age range one and age range two.
	If you can pull those over to the tabs, just have it be a F11 whenever you're ready.
	And pull up an age range one for, yeah, we'll do age range one first.
	Whenever you're ready, Eric.
	Can you control zoom in there?
	That's perfect.
	So a man's age versus the age of the women who look best to him.
	I forgot where this is from.
	I believe it's from a book called Dataclysm.
	They've done a bunch of articles on this stuff.
	So from 20 all the way to 50, it stays fairly consistent there.
	Men are finding the peak age of women's physical attractiveness at 20.
	And Eric, if you can now go ahead and switch it to the next one, and you're probably going to have to zoom in.
	Yeah, zoom in again.
	Perfect.
	A woman's age versus the age of the men who look best to her.
	So as you see, it kind of, for women, it kind of matches.
	As they start to get a bit older, it starts to err a little bit towards a bit younger.
	But overall, it's much different than the graph.
	Eric, if you can go ahead and just put it back to center.
	So did you want, it looked like you had something to say.
	I'll let you come in on this.
	That looked like it was shocking to you.
	It's not shocking.
	That's what's sad.
	It's like, I get it.
	Everyone has their preferences, whatever.
	But it's like, I don't even know.
	I don't know how to explain it because I'm not trying to hone in on that one factor, but it's just because it is such a big thing in the whole world, not even just America, but in the whole world, it's something our world has dealt with.
	But it's something that's not spoken about, only beginning to be spoken about now.
	So it's just hard for my brain, especially studying sociology, and looking at these numbers.
	And my job is to look at stats and realize how those stats play onto our society and why this thing is.
	And I know men have a bigger issue with having eyes for not women, girls who are too young for them, and not so much vice versa.
	It just seems like a very big parallel to the fact that most women find men their age attractive, and for men, it just stopped.
	And also, how do you know they find 20-year-olds attractive?
	They could just be saying that age because that's closer.
	It sounds better than them saying 18 or 16 all the way up until they're 50 years old.
	I think you're reaching here a little bit.
	I might be reaching here a little bit in terms of trying to paint men as trying to date women who are not of age, or sorry, girls who are not of age.
	I'm not, it's not like I'm saying that I don't think all men, I don't even think 50% of men think that way.
	That's not what I'm saying?
	The amount of men that would pursue a woman who's not of age is very, very low.
	And that's, you could say, there are, of course, there are definitely predator men.
	But I do want to just make it clear.
	We are talking about adult women.
	Yes.
	That's 18 and up.
	Okay.
	I just, yes, you, people, everyone has their own different opinions.
	Maybe just from the field that I'm in and things I get to see, witness, study, it is a lot more than very few.
	So that's the only thing I'm trying, it is kind of, I don't know, it's not.
	You think 50% of men are P-words?
	I said less than 50, but you're saying very, very few.
	It is very few.
	50 to very, very few is a very, very few.
	Maybe document reported, but it's not very, very few.
	It's not 50%.
	I'm not saying it's anywhere near 50%.
	I'm saying it's 40.
	But I would say it's more than you're imagining or would like to admit or accept.
	I'm not saying you, I'm not saying anyone in the room, but it is a more prevalent issue in our world than most people would like to admit.
	I haven't looked at, I'm sure they've done some sort of studies on the prevalence of that sort of thing.
	I couldn't speak to it just because I haven't seen those studies.
	I would wager, I would guess that it's 1%, maybe 2%.
	So just from a woman who, as me alone, when I was under the age of 18, I had more than as a girl, as not a woman, when I was under 18, if I came into contact with how many men I came into contact with that were over that age, well over that age, it's just me being one person, the percent has to be a lot higher than one.
	And I don't know if any of these women can agree, but from personal experience, I'm not saying it's the people around you necessarily doesn't know that, but like, it's not doing it justice to say 1%.
	Fair enough.
	We'll move on from that specific thing.
	But did anyone else want to come in on anything?
	I think everyone's entitled to have their own preferences.
	And as long as both parties are down for it, if say the guy's down for the cougar and the cougars are down for the guy, then fine.
	As long as everyone's okay with it and there's like no emotional damage, then I think it's fine.
	So yeah.
	Okay, huh?
	Okay, and to be informed of the situation.
	Yeah.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Okay, so let me see here.
	I remember before I said I wanted to bring up a list of preferences that I believe that men have in women.
	You guys seemed interested in hearing that.
	I also have a list of preferences that I believe women have in men.
	I could read that too if you guys want to disagree with any of those.
	Before I do that though, I need to get up really quick and then we're going to probably wrap up here in about, gone a little bit over, so we're going to wrap up in about 10, 15 minutes, guys.
	I need to get up for about a minute.
	So I want to open it up to you guys.
	I feel like I didn't even get to go all the way around on that initial question as far as do you have a dating, something you want to get off your chest related to dating, right?
	I don't think I fully made it around, did I?
	You did.
	You didn't.
	I did.
	Okay, good, good, good.
	So final thought or question for the panel.
	And I have to get up.
	So if one of you wants to ask the girls something, if one of you can just carry the conversation for like a minute or two.
	What do you think about this podcast?
	It's eye-opening.
	Okay, I'll walk away from this one, you guys.
	It's very eye-opening to see how, I mean, I guess I don't like hear, or like reading the comments even, like I don't hear that sort of thing every day.
	Like from like what we're saying and like people in the comments responding, I guess, to what we're saying.
	I don't hear that a lot and I don't really see it because like in real life, like men aren't gonna go up to you and be like, oh, like you're slaughtered, you're this and that.
	Like they're not gonna like say this up front because they're obviously behind a screen.
	But I'm just saying how it's super eye-opening to read all these comments.
	Like you guys are watching this for three hours on a Tuesday at 10 p.m.
	Like this is what you're doing.
	Like, oh, okay.
	It says a lot about you.
	But no offense to that.
	Like your life, you live it.
	It's cool.
	Yeah.
	I'm their favorite because I'm talking.
	I have tattoos.
	And that's been the interesting thing for me is reading these comments.
	Coming for your tattoos.
	All my tattoos is the only thing they can think about or focus on.
	And it's really funny seeing it from that realm because in public, going out, whatever, that's like, guys, my favorite thing about me.
	That's like their number one, like, oh, I love your tattoos.
	Oh, my God.
	And then on here, it's like, does she know that's not attractive for a woman to have these tattoos?
	They're really pretty.
	Yeah, they're beautiful.
	Thank you.
	I don't care either way.
	I don't give a damn.
	But yeah.
	Yeah, like in real life, they're not going to.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, they're not going to just try to come to your face.
	They're going to be like, oh, my God.
	Behind a screen, and they don't have the balls to do it in person.
	All right.
	Did you guys thoroughly talk shit about me while I was gone?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we did.
	Okay, lovely.
	He's looking at me like, I know she did.
	No, I did it.
	I did it.
	Lovely, lovely.
	What was the last piece you guys were saying something about going over to a guy's house?
	What was it?
	What did I miss?
	What was the last thread?
	We were just talking about the tattoos.
	Oh, tattoos, her tattoos.
	Esther mentioned how we felt about this podcast.
	And I kind of said it's really eye-opening to see the comments.
	Obviously, for me, everyday life, guys aren't coming up to me or telling me responses on my opinions on dating and all that.
	And to see the comments and reading them firsthand, it's like really eye-opening.
	This is very eye-opening for me.
	I've just never been told this before in my life.
	Yeah.
	I never knew.
	But it's just because they're behind a screen, they probably won't say this to us in person, but they're behind screen, so it's like eye-opening.
	Yeah, I mean, chat, they're going to be chat's going to be chat, you know?
	So, yeah, they're going to, I mean, they've talked a ton of shit about me.
	I've seen a couple of the comments.
	They're going to talk shit about you guys, they're going to disagree with you.
	I said, We like your tattoos.
	No, Joey's been my fan all night.
	I've been reading Joey.
	Thank you, Joey.
	Thank you.
	I've been reading your comments.
	Okay.
	I've just never been told that to my face before.
	Someone likes your tattoos?
	No, I get totally like my that's what I was saying.
	Usually people come to me and they compliment my tattoos.
	Men love my tattoos, usually, things like that.
	But then, like, the overall majority of them, the comments are saying, which I know this group is a selected group of men, anyways, but they're just all saying tattoos equals easy in bed, equals easy to sleep with, like they're freaks, whatever.
	I've just never had that connotation said to me before or in my tattoo community because more of my friends are tattooed and things.
	Sure.
	So I just haven't ran into that.
	Maybe I've had a tramp stamp or something, but like I've never been told you have a 2020 tramp stamp.
	No, I don't have a sternum tattoo.
	You don't have a sternum tattoo?
	No.
	I've got my tattoo.
	That is the tramp stamp post.
	Tramp stamps are back now, though.
	They're popular.
	Well, the sternum tattoo is the tramp stamp.
	That's like the 2020 one.
	The 2020s.
	Does anyone here have a sternum tattoo?
	I have a spine tattoo.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Do you see it?
	Yeah.
	Is it like it's just down my spine?
	I think I saw it.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay.
	Oh, that's so cool.
	I'm going to have one on my thigh.
	That's about it.
	But it's like, how's that relevant to anyone else but you?
	Like, it's so good that you like it.
	And like, any comments are just like, why are they so opinionated?
	I don't think people could tell me they don't like my tattoos.
	That's fine.
	I've never been aware of this connotation between tattoos.
	It's just your body.
	That's it.
	Tyler Durden here wants a fit check from the panel.
	I'll leave it up to you guys if you want to do a fit check.
	Do I have to stand?
	You'd have to stand.
	My legs are like glued to this too.
	Actually, maybe next time.
	Sorry, guys.
	Just thumbnails.
	Yeah, we're going to wrap up here very soon, guys.
	Tattoos equals what?
	Actually, so on the tattoo thing, I want to ask the chat.
	One in the chat.
	So you were saying that people were saying in the chat, women with tattoos are viewed as more promiscuous.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm wondering how I want to frame this question to the chat.
	So chat, one in the chat if you like tattoos on women, and two in the chat if you dislike tattoos on a woman.
	One in the chat if you like tattoos.
	Two in the chat if you dislike tattoos on a woman.
	Now you guys are switching up.
	Oh, yeah.
	Two girls emotionally damaged.
	Okay, we got some, we got, it's like mixed.
	Oh, wow.
	Now they want to talk.
	Oh, damn.
	We got Waffle with a 1.5.
	We've got Pantsu Jutsu with a 69.
	We've got Ian Clasper with a 1.
	I've never seen that.
	Sharik official personal vlog with a 2.
	By the way, just a reminder, guys, one.
	Wait, well, one, you like tattoos.
	Two tattoos.
	Two, you don't like tattoos.
	Okay.
	Got it, got it, got it.
	Okay, so my preferences list.
	Actually, wait, really quick.
	Let me do, guys, get your super chats in.
	We're going to wrap up in 10 minutes.
	So if you guys want to get a super chat in, now's the opportunity.
	Let's see here.
	So, okay.
	Okay.
	I love you.
	Ian Clasper, Entertainment, 5XDM.
	Thank you for the 7 Canadian.
	Thank you, man.
	Baron Trump.
	Okay.
	No, I don't want to do this one.
	Jesus.
	You got to do 10, man.
	Sorry.
	10 enough.
	Elder Scrolls 333.
	There's nothing wrong with wanting someone who is loyal and pure.
	Values can boil down to the ability to make intelligent decisions.
	Actions and inaction alike have consequences.
	Perception equals reality.
	I believe Elder Scrolls here is talking about, is this related?
	I assume this is related to our body count discussion.
	Word?
	Yeah.
	I agree.
	Happens to be the case.
	Probably the lower your body count, the more loyal you're going to be.
	I'm going to say it.
	What's that?
	No?
	No.
	No, you disagree?
	I disagree.
	I told you, it depends on the person.
	Their body count could be one and not be loyal.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	So it doesn't mean every time, but like, I don't know the statistics or whatever, but like, not every time that's the case.
	Would you say that more likely than not, someone who has a high body count is more likely to be to not be loyal?
	I don't know.
	Someone who slept with 100 people?
	Gonna be just as loyal as a virgin.
	If I'm a betting man, someone who's a virgin is going to be far more loyal than someone who slept with 100 people.
	Okay, but what if the person that has slept with 100 people is sick of it and they're like, I'm ready to commit.
	This person that just lost their virginity, they were like, that was so good.
	Let's do it again.
	By the way, wait.
	And I remember you saying this a bit earlier on the show.
	Body count isn't the amount of times you've had sex.
	So if you've had sex with one person five times, your body count is not five.
	Yeah.
	Your body counts.
	You slept with different people.
	Yeah.
	But so you're saying if someone is a virgin who sleeps with someone and they're going to think, oh, that's awesome.
	Let me go do it with a whole bunch of other people?
	Or I would assume if someone's a virgin, they're going to want to continue doing it with that person.
	Well, you never know.
	Maybe.
	Hey, it's 2022.
	You never know.
	You never know.
	There's some crazy shit going on.
	Okay.
	And actually, I do know both men and women that I think it's more so the case with men, but there are definitely women out there that just they don't need to be in love with the first guy.
	They just kind of, some women just want to lose it.
	So I guess what's the, I had a thought on this the day before.
	Yeah, I guess like a woman who's going to a future, don't hate me, guys, a future slut has to start somewhere, right?
	Someone who's promiscuous has to start somewhere, right?
	If she's, if it's foregone conclusion that she's going to be promiscuous, she's got, she's going to lose her virginity at some point.
	So, okay, Bridget McCabe with the $10 soup chat, your whole career is based on feeding into misogyny and incel behavior.
	All these girls slayed.
	Okay, Bridget McCabe, hater.
	Your whole career is based on feeding into misogyny and incel behavior.
	I mean, if you don't like the facts, I'm sorry.
	I'm not sure what specifically I said that was misogynistic, though, or had anything to do with incel behavior.
	But if any girls at the table want to speak on behalf of Miss Bridget McCabe, if any of you think I'm a misogynist, you can say it.
	I don't think I've said anything which would indicate that I hate women or that I have some sort of disdain for women.
	It's like, I think it's more of the value, like how you see women's value, I think, is rather, makes me rather uncomfortable.
	Is this your friend in the chat?
	No, I don't know if that is actually really.
	But I would never do that.
	But like, I don't know if that's inherently entirely misogynistic, but that's kind of unpleasant to hear that men's value is somehow based in other things.
	What do you mean?
	I really don't want to go back to the body count thing.
	I really don't.
	We've talked about this for like 40 minutes.
	Well, okay, so I want to make something clear.
	Like, so as far as your value as a human, I mean, your body count isn't, that's not a factor there.
	But when it comes to making, and we all make judgments, whether you guys want to admit it or not, we all make judgments about the people that we're potentially going to be partnering with, sleeping with, hooking up with, having long-term relationships with, marrying even.
	So we all make sort of these judgment calls.
	So, I mean, you know, from a human rights perspective or whatever, like, I believe, of course, like, I see the value in both men and women.
	But for me, for my preferences, for a preference, for a standard, for a boundary, body count matters to me.
	So it's not so much about your value as a human being.
	But I mean, we all make value calls.
	We all make judgment calls when it comes to potential partners.
	In the same way, like most of you just said, like, I want to date a guy who's taller than me.
	That is a numerical measurement.
	So you're making a value call, so to speak, based off of a guy's height.
	The fact of the matter is, a guy who's shorter than you could be a fantastic partner, loving, loyal, great person.
	But it happens to be that you might not be attracted to men who are of a smaller stature than you.
	And I think that's totally fine because I think there's an evolutionary reason for women to want to date men who are taller than them or are physically or who have some sort of physical prowess or who are larger than them.
	There's a reason.
	So, I mean, it just sort of comes back to the whole preferences thing.
	Esther, come on.
	I think I'm going to stay silent.
	I don't want to promote further discussion.
	Thank you.
	No, but I mean, okay, so I sure.
	Okay.
	So next super.
	Sorry, hold on.
	We got a super chat here.
	What the fuck?
	Okay.
	Sorry, man.
	You got to do $10 and over.
	Nicholas Val, $10 Super Chat.
	What do y'all rate yourselves in terms of looks from 1 to 10?
	And what is your least attractive attribute?
	Didn't we already do this with Stiffler?
	We did a look or rate ourselves, yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, yeah, sorry, Nicholas, we already kind of did it.
	I don't know if you want to look back.
	So, yeah.
	I guess he is asking about what you think your least attractive attribute is.
	I mean, if you guys want to answer, if you guys have something you're self-conscious about, sure, I guess.
	You don't have to answer if you don't want to.
	I don't like my nose sometimes from the side.
	Like, it's kind of college.
	Same.
	Big nose crew.
	I think I have a big head.
	Team big nose.
	Thank you.
	Yeah.
	Nope.
	Okay.
	Cool, cool, cool.
	So I said I would talk about a couple preferences here, and then we're going to wrap up.
	Final thing.
	And then we'll watch a video to wrap it up.
	I mean, or we could try to wrap up a bit sooner.
	I'll leave it up to you guys because we have gone a bit over.
	So we can just watch the video wrap up.
	Or I did mention before, I could go down a list of some things that men want in women.
	Let's do the list.
	Let's do the list.
	Sure, it's not too long.
	It's not too long.
	So let's see.
	Let me hold on.
	Let me make sure I got it.
	Okay, so youthful, feminine, fidelitous, from the jump, peaceful, pleasant, not quarrelsome, doesn't nag, gentle, innocent, modest, humble, demure, temperance, cooperative, submissive.
	And submissive gets a bad, submissive gets a bad rap, but outside the bedroom here, we're talking about willful cooperation.
	Follows your lead, not obese, fit, petite.
	And then men can go either way on this one.
	Some men like big boobs, some men like small boobs.
	I'm not confront.
	I'm kind of team small boobs.
	Okay, fat ass.
	Does not have plus, sorry, does not have plastic surgery, so no BBL, no fake breasts, no lipo, no fake lips, doesn't take on makeup, or wears no makeup, has long hair, shaves her body hair, hasn't slept with a lot of men, so low body count.
	Not a single mother.
	Doesn't party, doesn't go to bars, clubs, drinks in moderate, drinks in moderation, or doesn't drink at all.
	Those are a few.
	This is your compiled list.
	This is not necessarily, I mean, a lot of these things, yes, I would like in a partner.
	Oh, so this is like generals, not yours.
	I mean, I have to agree with a lot of the things on this list here.
	But I mean, I mentioned big boobs.
	Like, I don't really, if big boobs are great, whatever, but like, I don't really care.
	But this is more generally just some things that men want.
	It's not, it's fairly, it's a fairly robust list.
	I don't think it's everything that guys want.
	Some guys might not want some of these things, but I think this is what a lot of men want.
	Yeah.
	Anybody?
	I saw a couple grimaces while I was reading that list.
	Was there anything anyone wanted to come in on?
	Do you guys have requirements before you fuck somebody too, or just the actual relationship?
	So, because I know a lot of those things don't go on without anything.
	So, what I would say is that, and this also actually comes down back to body count too a little bit.
	For just, if we're just going to sleep with a girl, we're going to be less concerned about body count.
	For long-term, serious relationships, marriage, life partner, long-term relationship, body count becomes much more important.
	I mean, I would still say, even for a hookup for me, and I think for a lot of guys, if all things, you know, would we prefer someone with a low body count even for a one-night stand?
	Yes.
	But, sorry, what was your question, Gen?
	I'm like, yeah, like for that whole list.
	So, how many times do you think on the actual list, like, do you guys actually make somebody check off these requirements?
	Like, I feel like you guys say that, but then it comes down to it.
	It's like, whatever girl responds the most to you out of that week is am I going to be your new girlfriend?
	Sure.
	Well, so that's a really good question.
	And you raised two really good points there.
	So when it comes to something casual, men are going to be more forgiving on their preferences.
	If they just want to get laid, like, they're going to let probably a lot of stuff slide.
	But when it comes to a serious relationship, then they're going to have much more stringent standards, preferences, and boundaries for women.
	And sorry, what was the last part that you just said there?
	So like when you do actually, you know, it's time for a relationship, you're settling down, picking the one.
	How often do you guys actually check off most of those boxes?
	I feel like it's like, you know, is it like 2-3?
	You get to check off 2-3.
	cool, you know, like, is there like a...
	Yeah.
	Well, I think the big thing is that most men don't, like, a lot of men don't really have much of a say for a lot of this stuff.
	So a lot of guys are, it's very, like I said, it's hard for men to get laid.
	It's hard for men to get women.
	So most men will tolerate a lot of stuff just to get laid.
	And if they can continue seeing that girl, they'll probably, a lot of dudes are simps.
	They will tolerate a lot.
	Because most men do not, most men don't have the same level of abundance that women have.
	So women, you guys have an abundance mentality.
	Like you can get a lot of dudes.
	Like you might be talking to a couple different guys.
	Like there's a couple different guys that are pursuing you that are courting you.
	But most men don't have there's not in a very strong negotiating position, let's say, when it comes to dating women.
	So as far as there being a checklist and like, oh, she's got to do this, this, and this.
	Honestly, most men just don't be obese, be pleasant, and fuck them.
	For most men, that's probably all you need.
	All you need to do.
	But there are definitely men out there that are going to want you to bring more.
	And I think where some women kind of can get into some issues where men are not willing to commit to them, you're just not bringing enough to the table.
	If pussy is all you're offering, pussy is all men are going to want.
	And this kind of goes back a little bit to what you said at the very beginning of the podcast, that women are viewed as the prize, and that it's women saying, impress me, impress me, or why should I date you?
	But women are not very often thinking, what am I bringing to the table?
	What am I bringing to this?
	So.
	yeah so women get reject shout out to uh shout out to uh patrice o'neill on this Men get rejected on the front end.
	Women will get rejected on the back end.
	So what happens is that women will sleep with the guy and then he'll lose interest or ghost you.
	Sometimes, I mean, maybe that hasn't been your guys' experience.
	So, yeah.
	I don't know if that adequately answers your question.
	Okay, yeah, Kathleen's another hater in the chat.
	But I want to just, I went through some of the traits that women want, or sorry, men want in women.
	I'd like to give a few that I believe women want in men.
	Just to balance this out, because maybe you were thinking, whoa, Brian, that's a fuck ton of stuff.
	But let me just go over a few that I believe women want in men.
	Tall, not balding, has a full head of hair.
	By the way, these are things women want in men.
	Tall, not balding, has a full head of hair.
	Muscular, fit, strong, didn't skip leg day, nice forearms, wide shoulders, six pack abs, large peen, clean shaven, or some women, you know, like a mustache or a beard, but it can go in either way.
	Dresses nicely, who can protect her, who can provide, who's confident, masculine, dominant, ambitious, successful, financially well-off, matches or exceeds your level of education, matches or exceeds you socioeconomically,
	chivalrous, pays for dates, decisive, leader, charming, witty, can carry a conversation, good communicator, treats you like a queen, whatever that means, even though you're a court jester at best.
	Okay, funny, not you guys, not you guys, of course, but funny, exciting, tells good stories, intelligent, competent, handy, doesn't live with his parents, doesn't play video games, doesn't watch porn, doesn't have a photo of him holding a fish i don't know what that oh my god i don't know what that I'm not sure what that one's about.
	Can fix things, stoic, sexually experienced, great and bad, et cetera, et cetera.
	So just to sort of level off, you know, the expectations that I think both men and women are looking for in a potential partner.
	So let's see here.
	Did anyone want to respond to that?
	I have a light little video for us to watch just to sort of put a nice little cherry on this conversation.
	But okay, Kathleen was talking some shit, so I guess I'll pull it up.
	Can you please ask the girls if they would consider dating you?
	Hey, man, I'm just the messenger.
	Don't shoot the messenger, right?
	I'm just reporting.
	I'm just reporting, you know.
	I don't suspect any of the women would want to date me because I'm certainly older than them.
	And given what they've said, it's probably unlikely.
	So word.
	And then we got super sticker.
	We're Canadian.
	Okay, thank you.
	And then trasher shirt one and black hair.
	Sorry, Lunzowski, but they slayed this conversation.
	Okay, the girls did pretty well, I guess.
	I was outnumbered.
	I was outnumbered, guys.
	Okay, cool, cool, cool.
	I asked about final thoughts.
	I want to give you guys one last opportunity if you guys want to say anything.
	Otherwise, we're going to react to this video and we're going to wrap up.
	Anything?
	Last thoughts?
	Question?
	Question for the panel?
	Okay, Eric, if you can pull up the Bo Burnham clip.
	It's the very first video.
	There you go.
	Eric, can you boost the volume a little bit?
	How many single ladies out there looking for love tonight?
	Yeah, woo that sadness out.
	Where would that came from?
	Ladies, I know what you want.
	Want you want a guy that's sweet, a guy that's tough, a feminist who likes to pay for stuff, the kind of guy that gets along with your friends without being attracted to any of them.
	A good boy, a bad boy, a good bad boy, a half-good, half-bad, half-boy.
	Loves your brother, Sansani, but not weekend.
	He is a great lover, calls your mother on the weekend.
	Now you might think this guy only exists in your mind.
	Guess what?
	You're right.
	If you want love, lower your expectations of you.
	Because Prince Charming would never settle for you.
	If you want love, just pick a guy and love him.
	And if he's got a thing for feet, say fuck it, sweep me off him.
	Now, the good thing is that at least men have very realistic expectations for women.
	He said, sarcastically, setting up a second verse in a comedy's hub.
	You want a girl that's nice, a girl that's not.
	Obsessed with her looks, but is insanely hot.
	The kind of girl that you can show to your folks, love the movies they can like, and always laugh at your jokes.
	A real girl, a hot girl, a really hot girl, a brand new, really hot, real doll.
	Wants to impress he doesn't care if you notice and only ever uses you to tickle her throat with.
	Now you might think that this girl only exists in your mind.
	But she's real.
	But last week, she died.
	If you want love, lower your expectations a lot.
	You might think your dick is a gift.
	I promise it's not.
	If you want love, just pick a girl and love her.
	Then whip out your dick and let the girl you love decline the offer.
	I don't want a meat freak.
	I don't want to slob.
	Somebody with bedhead and a dead-end job.
	Cause I won't settle for less than perfect.
	We want perfect children, a perfect life.
	Perfect husband or a perfect wife.
	But deep down, we know we don't deserve.
	But we all deserve.
	Anyways, the girls are getting bored of the clip.
	I'm trying to forget what I'm doing.
	I'm literally just sitting here.
	So your reaction to the clip?
	They love it, apparently.
	The audience loves it?
	I guess you guys didn't love it so much.
	You guys were thoroughly bored with it.
	Okay, cool, cool, cool.
	So that wraps up the show, guys.
	Unless any of you wanted to give a reaction to that.
	Nobody?
	Anybody?
	Yeah.
	It was kind of sort of related to the conversation we were just having.
	I just think an important thing about what girls look for a guy is the fruition of their relationship and how things are going to advance.
	Me looking for a guy who is able or has passions and a career.
	That's something that can definitely be worked on.
	A lot of the things you're listening with that guys want is not something like a girl can work on in years to come.
	Like you can't like work to have a lower body count.
	Like that's like, you know, like you're not going to take back your body or something.
	I mean, like you can, like there's like revergizing, whatever.
	And also, like, it's like, yeah, like I can have a preference for a guy to be tall.
	Like a guy can have a preference for me to be a blonde.
	Like, you know, those are definitely things that people have.
	But I think like the bottom line is that guys have a lot of preferences to like make themselves look better, while a girl has a lot of preferences for the relationship to be better or to have a good relationship.
	And I think that's just like what the list kind of shows.
	I mean, so you're saying that of the preferences I listed, by the way, for both men and women, there's quite a few.
	Yeah, there's a lot.
	I would actually say that women have a lot more control over the things that men like about them than the things that women like about men.
	Which ones are you talking about exactly?
	Well, okay, so first off, body count, you absolutely have control over your body count.
	There's that one.
	Yeah, but I mean, like, if you're coming at me and I'm like 30 and you expect me to have like be a virgin still, like that's kind of like outlandish.
	You could still have a low body count at 30, though.
	Yeah, well, I know that.
	Like, there's like religious aspects.
	You don't want to.
	I don't, I don't, uh, you don't share.
	I think body count matters, so that's just not something I share.
	Sorry, it was just brain brain a whole body.
	You're fine.
	I mean, actually, just I want to go around the panel.
	You guys can try to guess it.
	How old are you?
	33.
	How long have you lived here?
	In Santa Barbara?
	Well, I was born in France.
	I moved to Santa Barbara when I was five, so I've lived here for a long time.
	Since the Bush administration, sorry, the Clinton administration.
	I'd say like around 45.
	You think my body count is 45?
	Okay.
	Around there.
	25.
	40.
	Say 30s.
	In the 30s.
	Three.
	Three?
	Okay.
	30 to 40.
	Yeah, 35.
	I can neither confirm or deny any of these numbers.
	Can you say who's closest?
	No.
	Were a lot of us close?
	I'm a man of God.
	I cannot.
	Wow.
	I cannot reveal.
	That's very revealing.
	I cannot.
	No, I'm being facetious, but no, I'm not just not something I reveal.
	But okay, so I do want to address your comment.
	So, I mean, I feel like a lot of the stuff, it's like some of this stuff is just stuff you can just kind of do.
	I'm like, I'm not going to be like a submissive little baby for like some man who can't grow the fuck up.
	Like, that doesn't really make sense to me.
	Like, I get what you're saying.
	Like, I definitely do think it's good to have your preferences.
	Like, you know, like you want this, like, you want that.
	But I think like at some point, like, it's just like, it's very telling on your identity and personality more than it is on mine.
	Like, you just wanting to me, wanting me to be like a very specific way is just more telling of like you.
	Like, it's not like.
	Women don't want men to be a very specific way.
	No, that's not what I'm saying All I'm just saying, like, you have your preferences, right?
	Like, are you talking about me specifically or not?
	Everybody, like, everyone's just saying, like, oh, they can't address that people have preferences.
	I'm addressing that people have preferences.
	I have preferences.
	I think, just like the big issue is like, what does it tell about you?
	And that's like what, like, I'm trying to look at.
	Like, women, like, are like men will look at like a girl's preference and like that'll tell us something about them, while I'll look at men's preference to tell something about them.
	Like, I'm not saying, like, it's like you're stupid for like thinking this and that.
	I'm just saying, like, there's a lot you get off from how, like, what there's a lot you get off from a person from like what they find is like the most what they prioritize in like a girl.
	Well, that's also why it's important to find someone that meets your preferences and not trying to make someone match to your preferences because you know, typically, if somebody has preferences set and somebody's meeting all those preferences, then they probably already are the type of person that they're wanting.
	But, like, if you know you meet somebody and you're trying to make them change to fit everything you like, because maybe a couple things are good about them that yeah, it's probably not going to work because you guys aren't meant to be together to begin with.
	Verks thinks it's 25 divided by three, so I guess it's for the body count thing, it's multiply for women and divide by three for men.
	Apparently, I don't know if there's any truth to it, anyways.
	Um, but so your initial thing was though that of the list there were things that you took issue with some of the preferences that I said some men have, right?
	Well, I feel like we've been talking about body count this whole time, so that's what I was like referring to mostly.
	Okay, mostly the body count thing, okay.
	I mean, I don't honestly remember like what all the lists said, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
	Like, not on my brain, yeah.
	Well, we can run it back if you want, we can discuss some of this stuff.
	That's okay, I have an A to that tomorrow.
	No, I mean, I mean, run it, never mind, okay.
	Anyways, um, that is it for today's show, guys.
	Um, I want to give a uh big thank you to the lovely panel for uh coming on.
	You guys were great, really appreciate you guys.
	I know we disagreed on stuff, I know we debated some stuff, but I genuinely appreciate it.
	Um, I think it's good to be able to have conversations like these if we're not able to uh talk, if we're not able to uh disagree, then communication doesn't happen.
	So, big thank you to all you guys for coming on.
	Uh, sorry that we ran a little bit late, guys.
	We did get started a little bit late, but we're gonna get you home soon.
	So, um, yeah, and thank you to the audience for tuning in.
	Uh, you could have been doing anything else, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	We will be live again.
	Sorry, guys, I'm starting to slur my words.
	We will be live again Thursday at 7 p.m.
	Like the video and leave a comment on your way out for the algorithm.
	Thanks again to the panel.
	Thank you guys again for watching.
	And we will see you guys next time.
	Have a good night, guys.
	Thank you.

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