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Go ahead.
Hi, I'm Lauren.
Hands on the mic.
I'm Lauren.
That's my name.
I'm from Potomac, Maryland, East Coast.
I'm a comm major at UCSB.
I thought you were about to say you're a communist.
Not quite.
Hi, I'm Allie.
I'm also from Potomac, Maryland.
We grew up together.
I'm a senior at UCSB and I'm a comm major.
I'm Tara.
I'm a senior at UCSB.
I'm from LA and I'm a psychology and philosophy major.
Hi, I'm Ashley.
I am a licensed insurance agent and I am from State Farm in San Diego.
Did you say age?
29.
29, okay.
I'm Liv.
I'm 20 from Santa Barbara and I'm a cosmetologist.
Hey guys, my name's Michael.
I am 23 years old.
I have my own cryptocurrency consulting business.
Check me out at cryptocurrency.consulting.
What's up, peeps?
My name's Chase, 27 years old, professional photographer and brand consultant.
Rock and roll.
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We're going to go back around the table.
So current relationship status, longest relationship, and are you on a dating app?
And that includes seeking arrangements.
Exposed.
It's over.
So yeah, I'm single.
I'm single.
Wait, what was the second question?
Longest relationship, are you on any dating apps?
Relationship was probably a year and a half, and like, yeah, we're on dating apps.
Seeking arrangements.
You're on seeking arrangements.
No.
It's a funny app.
So you've been on it?
I've seen this site.
So you've been on it?
We've dabbled.
You've dabbled.
We've dabbled.
Okay, how many sugar daddies do you currently have?
Two.
Yeah, off the record, maybe two or three.
But each of you.
No, we are a package deal.
Yeah, we have a joint.
It's like, what?
Huh?
Actually?
Yes.
Okay.
Sometimes the sugar daddy's like two versus one, and we're best friends and we like to do everything together.
So we tried to sell that.
So yeah.
No, I'm just on Hinge.
I'm just on Hinge.
Yeah, we're doing Hindi.
They're not joking.
They're being serious.
Yeah, not Tinder, not Tinder, Hinge.
Wait, so are your sugar daddies good to you?
You know, I wish, or else I wouldn't have to have any sort of.
I will say they are better to Lauren than me for whatever reason, but they are pretty good to us.
Yeah, I guess I just.
How old are they?
50.
It varies.
50s.
There's a range.
Yeah, there's a range.
We'll say like.
You gotta make it through college somehow.
Yeah.
That's all I gotta say.
So are we talking 40s, 50s, 60s?
What are we talking?
Okay, I'm only on Hinge.
I don't know where you guys got seeking arrangement.
Yeah.
Well, you guys said.
Yeah, we've tried seeking.
You've tried it?
Yeah.
Okay.
And have you met anyone from that?
Yeah, we've met people.
We just like go out to dinner dates.
Okay, how much did you get paid?
Probably like $200 for a dinner date.
How many times have you been on dates?
Like with how many different men?
I guess I should ask.
You know.
Probably like between 15 to 20 dinner dates.
From Seeking Arrangement?
Yes.
Are these 15 to 20 with like the same dudes or like different dudes?
A couple of the same dudes.
And you get paid 200 each time?
Yes.
You know, consistently.
That's the minimum.
Has it gone beyond just dinner dates?
No.
We're a platonic girl.
Okay, platonic arrangements.
Okay.
What's the most you guys have been paid for a date?
It's okay.
That's the most together.
You can be honest.
Together, like a thousand.
So when we're together, 500 each.
Oh, I thought you guys were joking about that.
No.
Oh, okay.
But we go out to dinner together because we have good banter together.
We're like best friends.
A lot of stories.
They love that.
So it's you and one guy, or does he bring you a family?
But I actually hate Tinder.
Tinder.
Sometimes they say they'll bring a friend.
We haven't ever had that, but.
Okay, so to Chase's question, what's the most that you guys have ever been paid for one date?
$500 each.
Yeah, for me, $500.
$500 each.
What did you?
Once again, I'm only on Hinge, so I wouldn't know the answers.
I'd like to know why do you hate Tinder?
Honestly, I feel like it's just for hooking up.
You know, it's not really my vibe.
Okay.
What's the youngest sugar daddy you guys have ever had?
Model daddy?
Yeah.
I mean, some people are like 23.
That's probably the youngest.
You had a 23-year-old sugar daddy?
Yeah.
Wow.
Crypto guy?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
He was into health and wellness.
Okay.
All right.
Okay, so you're both currently single, correct?
Yes.
Single?
Okay.
You could get that from the longest relationship?
A couple months.
I'm not a relationship girl.
What does that mean?
Yeah, I guess.
Closer to the mic.
In college, I kind of just, you know, played the field per se.
Yeah, but I don't like, I haven't wanted to settle.
I haven't wanted to settle for anyone.
I think college guys are not exactly ready to settle themselves.
So, yeah.
Did you enjoy playing the field?
I did, but I think I'm retired.
Retired?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm a senior now, so I'm ready for life.
So I'm curious to hear when you say play the field, like what specifically are you talking about when you say play the field?
You know, tested out different guys, you know, like slept with different guys, I guess.
Yeah.
So I feel like you guys are kind of ashamed of this, and you know, you shouldn't be.
I don't think you should.
I don't either.
It's embarrassing to admit, but at the end of the day, I'm not embarrassed because I feel like I've learned a lot and like it has shown me what I want at the end.
Exactly.
How else are you going to find out if you don't actually go try it?
Into my agreed.
Sorry.
Yeah, I totally agree.
Would you, let's say that you, you know, 10 years from now and you have a daughter, would you tell her to go play the field as well?
It's a good question.
So I have a daughter.
Oh.
Yeah.
Yeah.
How old is she?
She's six.
Okay.
So of course I'm not going to tell my six-year-old that, but if she's older, I am going to tell her to do what she needs to do to discover herself.
If that means doing what they did or dating or not dating, that's going to be up to her.
I don't think that a woman should be ashamed for experimenting and figuring themselves out, especially when these girls are, you know, you guys are kind of making it shameful that they have sugar daddies, but at the end of the day, they're paying their bills.
I don't think we shame them for the sugar daddy thing, but would you be okay with your daughter sleeping with like 100 guys throughout her college career, so four years?
I don't think that's any of my business.
I mean, you're her mother, so I mean...
Exactly, but she's an adult.
I think as long as she's safe, she gets herself tested, she follows protocol, she knows what she's doing, and she's going to be okay with that, that that's her choice.
So if she was doing, if she was committing armed robberies, you wouldn't try to guide her in a certain direction.
That's a different topic.
You're talking about breaking the law.
I mean, yeah, I don't really know girls that sleep for money.
It's, like, not my vibe, but.
Well, I don't know how we're supposed to figure out what we really want and what we really like if we don't experiment, especially in college.
Like this is the time to test out different things, different people.
But I feel like there's other ways to like test out people than just like sexually.
I don't know if we like have to like have sex to like what other ways to like just going on like just going on dates like getting to know them.
That would be like different ways than like a one-night stand hookup to like discover yourself on the one hand and then also to like see what you like.
I feel like there's a million things you should look for in a partner that you can't see just from like having sex with you.
Are you friends of a dating app here?
Anyone have a preference?
Yeah, because I think hold on, hold on, before we go into that.
Before we go into that, there's this idea that's being put forth about like discovering yourself by sleeping with different guys.
And I'm curious, like when you're doing one-night stands with guys in college, what are you discovering about yourself in terms of what you like?
Because if you're not dating a guy and getting to know him, if you're just having sex with him or hooking up with him, what knowledge are you really gaining from that experience?
Yeah, especially like about yourself.
Yeah.
So I didn't take that as they were just talking about sleeping around.
A little closer.
They also said that they were just going out to dinners and things like that.
I think it was just the context was taking place.
Dinners aside.
Sleeping with people.
I don't think that's a good idea.
Dinners aside, we're talking about the idea of playing the field, right?
Like if you're playing the field, what are you learning about yourself?
So, what's your definition of playing the field?
Sleeping with a lot of different men.
So, my definition of playing the field would be going out on dates, experimenting.
Yeah, maybe you might sleep with a couple, but playing the field, to me, in my perspective, doesn't necessarily mean sleeping with every single person I run into.
Are you girls aware that most guys are not attracted when girls sleep around and play the field?
Do you know that most people are?
Definitely aware of that.
Most guys don't sleep around.
What do you mean, guys don't sleep around?
Maybe the men that you're attracted to.
Maybe the men you're attracted to sleep around, but most when we say most, most men can't sleep around.
Oh, yeah, because like girls can, what's this thing?
Girls can get who you men.
Oh, girls can sleep with who they want, men sleep with who they can.
Yes, exactly.
Yeah.
And recently, I actually heard, I think this was from one of the other podcasters out there, and he was saying that men actually have to earn the privilege of becoming a hoe.
That's a fact.
Men can't just be hoes.
They have to work for it.
So with girls, you can just go out there and get laid whenever you want to.
That's a fact.
I think not a lot of girls realize.
I think girls think that it's a flex to be a hoe, but it's not that hard.
I don't know.
Oh, I had someone say to me recently because I was like, I haven't been with anyone in a while, and they were like, how?
And you look the way you do.
And I was like, it's not like I don't get men, but it's like choosing who I want to be with.
So I think that kind of goes all in with that.
But I think that also comes with growing up and learning what you want.
Because when we were freshmen, we were definitely excited by the fact that guys wanted us and wanted to hook up with us.
But now we're more picky.
So I think that's what I was trying to say about knowing what we want when we get older.
And just to make a comment on your point too, is that most girls are attracted to the guys that can have sex with a lot of different girls.
So when you say men can do it too, those are actually the types of men that most girls are attracted to.
So then would you say that that would feed the culture of women having that perception that most men do sleep around because those are the men that we're interacting with?
Most men do not sleep around.
Okay, but it's a perception.
So do you think that you just said most women are attracted to the type of man that would sleep around, right?
So if most women are talking to those kinds of men, wouldn't that set their expectations up for the rest of men?
Because that's who they're encountering.
That's who they're.
Yeah, it might set up their expectations, but the reality of it is that 90% of men aren't getting laid.
And the 10% that are getting laid are the ones that women want.
That honestly still shocks me.
Like, that's like, it doesn't, that is, like, surprising, I guess.
Girls really have, like, no idea.
So you guys have no idea.
Talking from experience here.
Talking from experience.
Yes.
Absolutely.
You can't get laid.
Is that like what you're saying?
No, we're not saying we can't get laid.
What we're saying is.
Yeah, you're the type person, right?
Yeah.
If you took a survey of dudes, like the majority of guys that I know, like they struggle attracting the kind of girls that they want, right?
But then you have this very small percentage of dudes who are just absolute studs and they just run through tons of women.
What category would you put yourself in?
I mean, I don't run through women, but like I don't have to like the studly category.
What I would say is that I don't, I'm not thinking about that.
I'm just thinking about how do you become a better man?
How do you work on yourself and continue working?
And I think, especially with social media and dating apps and those types of apps, you can't, you know, it's just based off the looks.
So most men aren't getting the attention.
And then the men that look visually appealing are getting all the clicks and all the swipes.
True.
Okay, we're going to, we didn't let everybody finish off the questions about relationship stats and stuff.
So go ahead.
Current relationship status, longest relationship.
Are you on any dating apps?
We'll circle back to some of this conversation, though.
Currently single, longest relationship was a year.
And I don't like the use of dating apps.
I am currently single.
My longest relationship was four years.
Like I said, I am a mom.
Was that with the bio dab?
Yes.
Okay.
Yes.
So four years.
And I am on Hinge right now, which is how you found me.
I'm currently single, not on any dating apps.
And what was the other question?
What was the other question?
Oh, longest relationship?
A year and a half.
Yeah, a year and a half.
Seeking arrangements?
No, no seeking arrangements.
I'm in a relationship.
It's been the longest one.
It's three years long.
And I've never used a dating app.
Probably never will.
Right on.
Yeah, I'm single.
Longest relationship, year and a half.
And not on any dating apps currently.
Okay, moving on.
So a lot of you said you were single.
But what does that really mean in today's day and age?
Yeah, in some cases, single people might be having more sex than people in relationships.
That's very true.
Is that what you mean?
Is that what you were implying?
That's kind of what I'm getting towards.
So some of y'all are single, but what's that really mean?
You know?
Okay, do you currently have a sneaky link?
Are you currently seeing someone are you currently hooking up?
So, no.
No, I've been pretty, like, been having no one for the past couple months, and I've been really happy with that.
So I think.
Okay.
Yeah.
I also do not have a current consistent sneaky link.
Yeah.
But so you have a sneaky link, an inconsistent one?
Perhaps.
Per chance.
Yeah.
Okay.
Maybe I'll change the question.
When's the last time you've hooked up with somebody?
Honestly, it's been a minute.
Like a fortnight ago?
Yeah, whatever that means.
14 days.
Yeah, something like that.
Okay.
It's been a couple weeks.
Yeah.
Okay.
I got out of a pretty serious relationship not that long ago.
So I'm just enjoying my time, like genuinely having no guys in my life.
And yeah, right now I like love it.
How long was your relationship?
It was a year.
Okay, how come it ended?
He cheated.
Okay.
Yeah.
So I do not have any sneaky links.
My dating life is pretty limited.
I have Tuesday nights free.
That's it.
And I'm here.
I was seeing someone and I gave them eight months.
And as a mom, I have different standards.
And so if you're not going to look for something permanent, then I have to move on.
What are those different standards as a mom?
So I need to find someone that actually knows what they want, where they're going to go, want a family, right?
I'm already halfway there.
So you have to be committed to wanting those things in order to make it, you know, in my perspective, with me in a relationship.
How many guys that you talk to want those things?
Not very many.
Do you run into issues with the fact that you have a kid and you're a single mom?
Absolutely.
How does that manifest?
Well, I try to be upfront about it.
Like on my hinge, it says, I am a mom.
I put a picture of my daughter on there, you know.
So I try to mitigate it up front.
There are guys who try to surpass that, right, and play it off.
And then when they realize that I'm not just going to sleep with them, then they kind of die out, you know?
There was a situation where I was seeing someone for a year and kind of was letting them go.
And it's like, that's a year of my time that I'm not going to be able to get back now.
So it's hard.
So it's hard.
How many guys that you're talking to are interested in like something long-term, becoming the father of your kid, so on and so forth?
Well, I'm not really talking to a whole lot of people.
So, I mean, on Hinge, I think I just started conversations with like three people right now.
And two of them are already parents.
So that's helpful.
You would date a guy who has children of his own?
That would be pretty hypocritical.
Well, I've.
Yeah, well, you say that, but actually, I encountered a woman who she had two, at least two children.
She might have had three.
And she said that she wants to date a guy that doesn't have children to make her life simpler.
Well, yeah, it would be simpler for her, but I was like, okay, lady, good luck.
Yeah, I mean, I think to narrow myself down, and, you know, I want more children.
So, I mean, to say, no, you have children.
I'm not going to date you would be pretty ridiculous as far as my standpoint is.
So, total, how many dudes have been interested with the kid in the equation?
Two.
Is reconciliation with the father a possibility?
Absolutely not.
What happened there?
Were you guys married?
No.
Thank God.
Yeah, why isn't he in the picture?
So he's an alcoholic.
Okay, that's not good.
No.
So I tried.
I tried to work through it.
It wasn't working.
It was an abusive situation, so that was difficult.
And he actually assaulted our daughter on a visitation.
Wow.
And so I have full physical agenda.
What a piece of shit.
Exactly.
So that's why I have only Tuesdays free.
Makes sense.
Okay.
Wow.
Good luck following that.
I know.
I mean, not really seeing anybody right now.
Last time I hooked up with somebody was like a week ago.
Yeah, not really.
I don't know.
If I remember, you said that you're not a feminist.
Is that correct?
Are we bringing that up right now?
Well, I'm just saying because you said that last week you just you hooked up with a DI with a different guy?
With a different guy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
We're going to go around the table on the feminist question so we can get to that.
All right.
I think I might have had a question for you.
So you mentioned that the guys are not meeting your standard.
Okay.
So can you go a bit more, can you elaborate a bit more on specifically what you're looking for in a guy?
Exactly.
It's not a very high standard, but it's not a super high standard.
I feel like this should be, yeah, exactly.
Have a job, have a plan, know what you want, know how to communicate, know how to handle your own emotions.
Just be an adult, ma'am.
Just be, yeah, a normal human being, please.
Okay.
So we're going to go around the table on this one really quick.
You can just say yes or no, whatever your sense of this one is.
And just to be clear, so okay, the question is, do you identify as a feminist?
And to be clear, you can believe in equality and women's rights without being a feminist.
Go ahead.
I would say yes.
Yes.
No.
Based.
Definitely not.
Absolutely not.
Definitely not for me.
So I consider myself an egalitarian.
So you two, yes.
Maybe no.
No.
Group thing.
Don't be sheep.
Don't be sheep.
I just think that, you know, girls should be taken out on dates.
I don't know if that's feminist, not feminist.
That's just traditional.
That's actually traditional.
That is antithetical to feminism.
Yeah.
Okay.
So when you guys say you're feminist, what do you mean?
I guess we are traditional.
We think men should take care of us, take us out to dates.
We both like seeking arrangements.
What a shade.
Yeah, something like that.
Yeah, I mean, I picture myself, I'm like, I want to marry a well-off man.
So you guys don't want to be strong, independent women, equal to your husbands?
I would love to be a strong, independent woman with also a man who's successful.
So is that feminist?
I mean, if you want your husband to take care of you, that seems antithetical to being a strong, independent woman.
I feel like growing up, I always wanted to be a strong, independent woman, but like at this point, I mean, honestly, a lot of times I'm like, I never want to get married and have kids because like men have girl.
Because why?
I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, explain why.
Men are just so disrespectful.
Men are disrespectful.
Now, does that apply to dudes in your age cohort, or do you think that applies to men in general?
Just like a lot of the guys I've met recently.
How are they disrespectful?
I'm not going to be able to do that.
That's a good question.
No, yeah, you should explain it.
If you want, you can be vague, but just Adam Levine, for example.
Every man's relationship.
They did?
I'm pretty sure they had an opening.
I don't think so.
I'm pretty sure it was open.
Okay.
But Redikowski, these gorgeous women are getting cheated on.
So every man ends up cheating.
That's not true.
I don't think that's true.
I just never want to get away from that.
Let me state for the record.
Let me state for the record.
Not every man ends up cheating.
Okay, not every man.
Allie, the men that you're talking about, these are celebrities.
These are dudes with a million women that are in their DMs.
That's true.
That's who I hear about.
That's why we only hear about it because they're celebrities.
Wait, wait, just a question.
When was your last long-term monogamous relationship?
A year ago.
A year ago.
Ended very bad.
Okay, so did he cheat on you?
Yes, he cheated on me.
Did you cheat on him?
No, I didn't cheat on him.
And then he should be.
But okay, so you haven't been in a relationship in a year.
So what other disrespectful, because I mean, if you haven't been monogamous in a year, what other disrespectful things have men been doing in that year period?
It's not like I have to be in a relationship to experience disrespect.
No, but specifically with cheating, if you're not monogamous with guys.
I guess not specifically with cheating, because I haven't been monogamous.
You've got me.
You've got me there.
Wait, you've never been monogamous, or you've just in the past year?
No, I've been monogamous.
I've just had guys.
I've also had men not be monogamous.
Sorry.
To me in relationships.
Allie, have you been cheated on?
No, but I will say I've experienced through friendships, I've seen them get cheated on when they're gorgeous, respect the relationship, like worship their boyfriends, and they still get cheated on.
So it's not all celebrities.
You guys realize there's a lot of dudes that are faithful, though, right?
I've yet to meet them.
Okay, well, here's the thing, though.
Here's the thing.
You guys have lived here in IV.
You guys have gone to UCSB.
You guys are in Fuckboy Central.
Okay, this is like the place where you've got all these chads walking through the streets, sleeping with tons of chicks.
90% of these dudes that are sleeping with a lot of the girls, they're not interested in being tied down.
This is not representative of like all dudes.
You guys recognize that, right?
We do, but then why would someone like Adam Levine cheat on his wife?
He's a high-value man.
Yeah.
High-value men have all the options.
So when you say all men cheat, I think you're referring to maybe high-value men.
And within those high-value men, there are still men that will be faithful.
But you have to show as a woman, you have to show that you're willing to commit and basically not be a hoe.
Well, I think there's also a lot of, I think, I think to be fair, to be fair, I think that there are a lot of women who are committed to their high value men.
But the problem that he's describing is that the top 0.01% of dudes, like I was saying before, they have a million women, really attractive women that are in their DMs.
Every day.
Just like you guys are.
And that is not representative of most dudes.
I totally get that, but many dudes want what they can't have.
And for example, Lauren was a very respectful girlfriend in the relationship and still got cheated on.
Was your ex-boyfriend a fuckboy?
Does he just like run through chicks?
You know, like, we were, well, we were in a relationship, so I guess I could say no because we were.
When he's not.
Can I just speak on this?
Having been like pretty recently cheated on and now go for it.
So yes, I just got, I was cheated on over the past year.
I was reused my relationship ended and it fucking sucked.
Were like cruelest thing anyone's ever done to me.
So embarrassing how it happened.
I feel like I was like an amazing girlfriend, loved that person very dearly, was very serious about it.
But I still like, I'm not going to say all men cheat because if I have a mindset in my head that like I all guys are terrible, I just truly believe I'm only going to be like attracted to like terrible guys.
Also, it's just like maybe it's a problem with my standards, to be honest.
I just want to throw in one thing too, that men can cheat and still absolutely be in love with the girl that they're with.
Yeah, I do believe that too.
From, you know, just, I mean, I'm a psychology major.
I know like how these things work.
They're not like very black and white.
There's a lot of like emotional sexual needs involved, like whatever.
But at the end of the day, maybe if your partner cheats on you, it just shows that he was like a really low value guy and you should be like having higher standards.
I don't know about him being low value, but I would say low moral character, low moral character.
You don't think having a low moral character makes you a low value guy?
Because personally, I think if you have to be a high, you're a high value guy to me if you have high moral character.
Right.
I mean like value in terms of like the sexual marketplace.
You mean like mating market value.
Yeah, but I guess that's true.
But when I was talking about high value guy, I meant high value in terms of being like a partner, not in terms of attractively having sex with.
Well, the reason why I clarified is because there's a lot of dudes who have high moral character in that way that you're describing.
They would be monogamous.
They would be committed, but they're not high value men that can get a lot of money.
Yeah, which is totally true.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
I'm curious about something you said.
You said maybe this is a reflection upon your standards and men and that the implication was maybe they could be better.
Like how so?
Yeah.
I mean I definitely think you, I mean women are the ones who set the standards for like, I don't know, what treatment you're getting and you can set those boundaries at any time and wherever you're going.
And honestly, I think I was like a bit naive when I got into that relationship.
Not to speak poorly of it.
I have nothing to say other than the fact of what happened about like my previous partner.
But I certainly think that like women have the power here to choose like how you're treated and what kind of value men you get.
And honestly, my standards did need to be like way higher.
And they are way more.
Did you break up with him after he cheated?
Great question.
I don't know if anyone here's been cheating.
This was just my experience, but getting cheated on brought my confidence from like 1,000 to literally zero, like immediately.
And it took me probably like six months to regain like my confidence enough to realize like, what the hell am I doing?
Like I deserve like way more than this.
So no, I didn't immediately.
It took me like six months to realize I was like doing myself harm by like staying with this person.
How long after he cheated did you guys break up?
Six months.
Six.
You didn't break up until six months after.
Yeah.
Holy shit.
Well, no, he cheated and we broke up, but he won me over and I like took him back when I shouldn't have.
Okay.
So it's because I took, I mean, when I found out, I immediately, it was no contact.
Did he tell you or did you find out?
I honestly don't want to, I can't go like that.
We don't have to do it without like.
I have another question for you.
Yeah.
In the future, so I know a lot of girls who have had their hearts broken by dudes cheating on them.
A question I have for you.
Also, I don't currently consider myself heartbroken.
Leaving that was the greatest thing I ever did.
I'm like the happiest I've ever been.
So I don't currently consider myself in a bad place, but just a schemer.
That's good.
With that said, I know a lot of girls who've been cheated on a lot.
And my question is, what can you guys as women do to vet guys better so that you don't end up with dudes that are going to cheat on you?
I think that's part of the process of learning yourself as a woman, like what they were talking about earlier, playing the field, right?
Figuring out your personalities, what your standards would be, what you want to be able to set that level and figure out what it is that you're looking for.
Would you be okay with, would any of you be okay with a guy that is able to have multiple partners, but you have to be faithful to just him?
Absolutely not.
What woman would say yes to that?
There are some.
Look at Andrew Tate.
If the man is high status enough, there are women that will tolerate infidelity.
But I mean, it could be something that's just upfront, too.
Where the guy's just like, hey, I'm not going to be faithful.
You have to be faithful to me.
That's what it is.
If they're upfront with it.
I mean, look, I know other females.
I'm not going to name names or tell my relationship with them, but I do know females.
You can, if you want.
But I'm not going to.
You have lots of followers.
I don't need to expose them.
You know, it's not my particular approach.
But there are women out there who they don't want families.
They don't want children.
They're just going to go live their life and be the equivalent of children.
Those women are usually really unhappy, though, later on in life.
I mean, I'm not saying that they don't exist, but most of the time, women and people in general want families.
And I really believe that that's what makes people most happy in life.
Amen.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but what I'm saying is that there are people out there that don't share that same value that we're talking about.
They don't have to be able to do that.
I think they exist.
They definitely exist, but for the majority, like most people want to be happy and view having a family as something that's going to bring happiness.
Real happiness, not like material happiness, like cars and yachts and all that type of stuff.
Well, so this raises an interesting question.
Do you want to have kids?
To be honest, I really don't want to get married and have kids, but I guess I will if I have to.
What do you mean?
Nobody's going to force.
What does that mean?
You will if you have to.
What do you mean by that?
Don't want to end up alone.
Okay, so.
Also, I feel like men, I don't know.
Wait, question.
You would have kids just to get rid of your own loneliness?
No, I feel like, I mean, procreating is a good thing.
Do you want to have kids?
Yes.
I love kids.
Do you want to have kids?
Yes.
Well, I already have.
Do you want to have more kids?
And I do, yeah, I do.
I want progeny.
Yeah.
Yeah, eventually I do.
Okay.
Yeah, I would definitely encourage you to reconsider the whole family thing.
I know right now it probably doesn't sound like something you want, but you know what the number one demographic of people on antidepressants is?
What, like single people have no kids?
Single women in their 40s without kids.
Thank you for telling me that.
You got like 20 years though, so you're, you know, you got time.
I think I'm good for now.
Well, maybe that's okay, but that's okay.
If the right person comes along, but honestly, everyone I've seen right now, no.
Wait, are you two in sororities, by the way?
Yeah, I was.
We both were.
But not anymore.
You guys got kicked out?
No.
Why did you guys get kicked out of the drop?
Was it Alpha Phi?
How did I guess that?
I don't know.
Attractive blonde girls, Alpha Phi.
Why did you guys, why did you voluntarily drop?
And we don't care.
Okay, so anyways, that's okay.
That's all right.
Okay, so before I get into some of my questions, I like to open it up to the panel.
Actually, before I do that, we're going to do a couple super chats.
So really quick, around the table on this one, Stiffler, ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
Would you rate yourself on a scale of one to ten?
Right myself.
Yeah, your looks.
Oh my God.
Just be honest.
It's okay.
10.
I guess, I don't know.
I don't.
Okay, I got eight.
Eight.
Well, before you said ten.
Oh.
Were you saying that about her?
Oh, yeah, I heard 10.
Yeah.
You'd rate.
Okay, but we hike each other up, you know?
Maybe like eight, seven.
Yeah, like six or seven.
Michael?
I'm definitely at a crypto chad level, crypto chad 10.
10?
Yeah, crypto chat 10.
What's a crypto chad 10?
I was just reading the chat.
Someone say crypto chad.
Yeah, I'd give myself like a 7.5 to 8 on a good day.
Okay, I give myself like 6, 6.9 on a good day.
All right.
Thank you, Stiffler, for that.
By the way, guys, get your super chats in.
$10 and up.
Mac Joseph, okay.
Mike Davis, $50, $10 super chat.
Man, where are these packs of chicks from, Brian?
You casting for white chicks too?
My business mind tells me I might have to hit up the West Coast and open an STD test spot.
Shots fired.
Okay, Mike Davis, thank you for the $10 soup chat.
Do we have the, no, Mike Davis has not been around recently, but we have your vigil portrait here somewhere.
Thank you for the $10 Super Chat.
And yeah, you're going to have to open up some Burger Kings here on the West Coast.
Okay, moving on.
So I'd like to open it up to the panel.
Is there anything dating related you want to get off your chest?
One thing you wish men did differently?
One thing you think guys get wrong?
Something you don't get about men?
There's a trend in dating that annoys you, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Anything?
I think just the name of the game is Respect.
Respect.
So you okay, guys should be more respectful as you're.
Yeah.
I feel like a lot of guys aren't as respectful.
I feel like that's not a huge thing with women, but.
What does that respect look like to you?
Yeah, should we dive deep into this?
I feel like we should go around the table more and then I'll get more ideas.
Okay, we'll do that.
I just want to say that could it be the case that it's the men that you are choosing that's the issue?
Absolutely.
Yeah, definitely.
It's probably, I'm just in a limited pool right now that I would definitely like to get out of.
Do you have any guys in the friend zone?
Yeah, I've definitely friend zone some guys.
Why?
Because they're not exciting enough.
They're not attractive enough.
Yeah, I mean, at this point in my life, I'm young, obviously, so it's not like I'm looking for marriage.
I'm not really looking for kids.
So when I look at a guy and like maybe he ticks a boxes more financially, more stability, that's like not really what's in the forefront of my mind.
Would you say you're attracted to bad boys?
I would say I'm more like looking at physical right now than okay, their physical appearance.
Yeah, because I'm just younger.
Okay, what's your type?
Probably like darker features, like tan, brown hair.
Okay.
Were we talking about looks?
Well, I mean, I was just going to say, you said you have some guys in the friend zone, and I'd say if you looked towards them, they'd probably be the ones that were respectful and loyal.
But you're not attracted to them, so what can you do?
Go ahead.
Yeah.
So anything dating related you want to get off your chest?
Well, I think the cheating thing is like on top of mind.
Okay.
Even though it just makes me feel discouraged to commit to anyone.
But you've said you've never been cheated on?
Yeah.
But it discourages you to commit.
Yeah.
I'm trying to see your friends get cheated on.
Yes.
And I'm very into pop culture.
I've seen all these very good-looking women get cheated on by men.
But you realize that's just because those are the stories that sell.
And so that's the stuff that goes to the top.
No, I realize that, but I've seen it through my own perspective with people I know.
Yeah, but for every girl you know that's gotten cheated on, there's probably a bunch more women that haven't gotten cheated on and have committed relationships.
Yeah, I guess I'm young and naive still.
And you guys are in IV.
I mean, this is like not the place for committed relationships, you know?
Yeah.
What specifically about cheating hurts you girls?
Like is it the physical act of it or is it the potential that the man is going to fall in love with another girl?
Well, I feel like sometimes it's not even like the guy likes the girl that they're cheating with and it's like not like they don't love you, but they're just insecure, like have other issues going on.
But let's say they're just out one night, they're not insecure, and they meet a girl and they just have a girl.
I'm sorry if you're cheating, like I just, I feel like you're insecure.
I feel like that has to go back to the bottom of the child.
At least that's why it's been explained to me.
Like that's how cheating's been explained to me.
Well, I mean, I can somewhat see that, but I think the right way to go about it is to really be more honest, just be open about it.
I think guys that want to sleep with many girls.
Open about cheating?
No, no, open.
No, open about, no, not open about cheating, open about wanting to sleep with other girls.
I think that's a good relationship.
So I think it's fair to say that it's not always like all on the guy.
Like I can fully admit that like I can't blame like the entire like collapse of my relationship.
It's like he's a terrible person.
He's a villain.
He like never did anything good and I'm like a total victim here.
Like if you're being a good partner, I don't know.
Like honestly, there were ways that I could have been, I'm not justifying cheating, but I am saying that like everyone always has a reason for their actions.
And frankly, I could have, there were ways I could have been a better girlfriend.
Just sort of like, I mean, obviously we're both young.
We both could have been better at communicating, but I wasn't necessarily paying attention to his needs because I was sort of dealing with stress.
But in that way, like I thought I was being an amazing girlfriend, but by giving him something I thought he would like need, but really that wasn't what he needed in time.
And like he needed more like sexual validation and I wasn't giving it.
So you're not giving it.
Hold on.
He needed more sexual validation.
Yeah.
So he needed you, you just weren't sleeping with him enough.
I was just not doing the things he wanted you to do that made him feel desired.
I honestly would, well, I was just dealing with some like personal stuff that made like when you, I don't know, when you get like stressed and stuff, sex is sort of just the last thing on your mind.
And for him, he was taking it personally.
Like if for him, he was feeling like unattractive.
You know, your partner's always going to sometimes, like, I would have maybe done the same if he was like.
How long were you in a relationship with him?
A year.
What was the period of time in which you guys were not having sex?
We were never not having sex.
But you said.
He just wasn't feeling like we were having sex enough.
Okay, how frequently were you guys having sex?
Probably still, like, I don't know, once a day, once every other day.
I don't know.
Was it the kind of thing?
That's a really relationship.
Was it the kind of thing where when he would go to initiate, like, he didn't feel your desire towards him and you weren't into it?
Yeah, it was mainly, yeah, it was mainly that.
Was it a chore?
So did he not feel like a connection to you in the process?
Yeah, yeah.
It was mainly, you know, he just, like, that's like, like, I've totally been in that position too, where sex is an important way of like expressing love and like intimacy and feeling like loved by your partner.
And I just like was not doing him justice in that regard.
And also, though, I do, another reason he told me he did it was because a few months before that, I ended things with him.
So I broke up with him because I didn't see us getting married.
And I was like, if I know I don't see this long term, I feel like I can't be with this person.
I feel like I'm wasting time.
You guys were broken up at the time?
No, no, no.
We were broken up.
Basically, I broke up with him.
We got back together.
And he explained to me, like, you weren't sad as, I don't know, like, I wasn't getting what I needed.
And I was felt like my ego was hurt when you broke up with me.
So that's it.
Did you lose attraction to him or what happened?
Was it the physical aspect just wasn't there?
Was it just the stress?
Just, yeah, just like dealing with stuff.
And yeah, just like busy stuff on my mind, honestly.
I was way more focused on like, I need to be, I need to like bring him gifts and like soup and stuff.
And he was like, that's not what I needed.
A lot of girls say that sex is actually a stress reliever.
No, I love sex.
This was just one period of my time.
This was like a two-month period where I just like was not, I was just like, like dealing with stuff and was not being there for him.
And he was already butthurt.
So he was like, okay, well, but you feel like maybe it was possible that you were losing sexual attraction to him.
Yes.
It didn't even happen.
Which is true.
I don't think it's a bad thing our relationship ended.
It was painful what happened, but.
Was that because of the stress or was that because of how he was responding to it?
It was, I mean, honestly, it just goes back to, I also feel completely terrible.
I feel like I, I don't know, I'm really like exposing a lot out of like our relationship, but I'm not like naming any names.
So that's good.
But I mean basically, also if this like helps other girls, like I should say it will be like, the reason I ask the question is because Tara, Tara, Tara, what you're describing, like this is interesting to me because when I was growing up, I watched my family go through a tremendous amount of stress with things that were happening in our lives.
The polarity in the chemistry between my mom and my dad fell way out of whack as they were going through the stress.
I think that happens to a lot of families.
And like the husband and the wife will stop having sex with one another because of the stress and then the marriage starts to fall apart.
So I guess like I'm curious, like looking back, it sounded like you were going through a lot.
It sounded like that made the relationship difficult to maintain.
With everything that you were going through, was there anything that you as a woman could have done differently to maybe better maintain the relationship?
Well, yeah, just, I mean, communicate better.
But also, I mean, at the end of the day, I was with someone who told me to my face, like he cheated on me because he needed to before his ego.
Prior to him cheating on you, just communication?
Oh, I mean, prior to him cheating, I probably shouldn't have been with him in the first place.
Okay.
Yeah.
So it's not a loss.
I mean, and that's just what it is at the end of the day.
Of course, I'm going to run into a problem.
And I'm not even, I don't take it as like a huge victim moment.
Like, I say, like, oh, we broke up because we cheated.
But it's like, at the end of the day, I probably, I'll just say, like, we're not compatible.
So, Tara, if you were with somebody that you were very compatible with, do you think you would have found yourself in a similar situation where you were so stressed that you were losing attraction?
Or do you think you would maintain the attraction?
No, I don't think that would happen now.
I feel like I learned from that.
Yeah, I don't know.
It was just like being more.
Also, I was just with someone.
He just, like, I needed someone in that time period too.
Like, I needed things from, I needed him, but he, he just.
Okay, we're going to move on to this.
Yeah, I know.
Something dating related you want to get off your chest?
Okay, so going back to my standards really aren't that high.
You guys need to figure out what the heck you want.
What do you want?
I mean, a lot of guys, if I could be totally blunt with you, a lot of guys want to be with a woman who doesn't have kids.
And a lot of guys also want to see if they can finagle sex with a woman who does have kids.
Why?
Because dudes are horny and dudes want to have sex.
And if you're talking to dudes on dating apps, 99% of them that you're talking to are going to want to have sex with you.
Probably a small minority of them are going to want to be fathers to your children.
Well, kids are no kids, guys.
I mean, this is prior to even having a child.
So many times I run into guys who don't know what they want.
They just mirror whatever you say to get in your pants, right?
So.
Low-value dudes.
Low-value dudes.
But at the same time, it's just over and over and over again.
I mean, we're talking about 11 years dating experience right here.
I mean, so where do we find these high-value dudes?
We're trying to make sure that you're not.
Are you going to say my point about anything you wanted to say about dating talk?
We'll come to you, yeah.
We'll get an answer to that.
The high-value dudes are, they're not going to be there for women that have kids already.
So what about before I had a kid?
Before you had a kid, yes.
I mean, still, high-value dudes, relatively speaking, small amount of them relative to most dudes.
Most dudes aren't on top of their shit.
They don't have their life together.
They don't have their fitness together.
They haven't built a life that's valuable.
Most guys are working towards that.
Well, I wouldn't even say most guys are working towards that.
Some dudes are working towards that, but a lot of guys are just, they're fine just being average, you know?
High-value men, it's a small pool of dudes, which is part of the reason why I have a lot of passion for building a culture of building men into high-value men.
Like, I think every dude should be striving to become the greatest man that he can possibly be.
You know, but not a lot of dudes have that philosophy.
So that's my problem.
What are your standards for a guy?
Like, let's talk height.
Let's talk finances.
Let's talk.
So, I don't really narrow it down to a physical attribute, right?
I can't say I'm 5'2.
Okay.
Would you like, well, you'd be okay dating a guy who's average height?
Yeah, I mean, I've dated guys that are my height or even a little shorter.
Okay, finances-wise, what do you think?
How tall are you?
5'2.
She's 5'2.
So I'm sorry.
It's not hard for a guy to be taller than her.
No, not at all.
Finances-wise, what?
I mean, I assume that's kind of important because you want to have a family, so bare minimum for a guy to make a year.
I don't have a standard on that.
As long as your bills are paid, you don't have an astronomical amount of debt, you have good credit, so you know, at least mid-600s, which is not even good, but it's something you could get a loan.
If you don't mind me asking, how much do you make a year?
I'm not going to disclose that.
Can you give us a range?
Is it above your range?
No.
Okay.
No.
So between 50 and 60,000, I'll tell you.
That's how much you make?
That's how much I make.
And would you like a guy who makes at least that much?
Well, I feel like if a guy is making less than, let's say, $45,000 a year, because, right, there's tradesmen out there that are perfectly good people.
You know.
They make good money.
They make great money.
They do.
I did construction for two years.
Yeah, they make amazing money.
But again, I don't put it on, you know, how much they're making because you can always make more.
So I'm not going to put that in a moment.
Let's just say what's the minimum if you were to start dating a guy.
I would say $45,000.
If you have a decent job, you're making at least $40,000 to $45,000.
If you have a decent, stable job, that's going to be a good thing.
What got you into construction?
So I wasn't throwing the hammer, right?
I was doing admin work.
But my mom is actually in construction.
And so when I graduated high school, I got into a couple universities, but tuition went up three grand at the period that I was going to start.
My parents weren't prepared.
I didn't get to go to college.
So I went right into the field and started working with my mom on Marion Medical Center in Santa Maria.
I was on the last year of that project.
And so that kind of categories.
You live up north a bit, San Yanez?
Yeah, I live in San Yanes.
Okay, the rent, I think, is a bit cheaper up there.
In Santi Inez?
Well, compared to Santa Barbara proper.
Yeah, it is.
You know what we should do at some point?
We should run the calculator for the girls.
Yeah, we could do that.
Maybe female delusion calculator.
Oh, God.
It's funny.
It's an interesting experiment.
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely.
Don't take offense to it.
We can go through it later.
But I think probably the biggest issue, you're just, I mean, to be frank, and I mean, Chase kind of already said it, is a lot of guys are going to see, and you seem like a perfectly wonderful person.
I think you're attractive, but definitely still babe status.
But I think a lot of guys are going to see, oh, she has a kid, and that's going to probably be a sticking point for them.
Exactly.
But I'm talking from my experience with even the men who are okay that I had a kid or that have a kid themselves.
They don't have their life figured out.
Like, what are you doing?
You're 29, right?
Yeah.
29.
What's the oldest guy you've dated?
41.
So would you be willing to date an older guy?
Because I was going to say maybe an older guy.
It's not there.
No.
Hmm.
I find that surprising.
I feel like there's probably a lot of older dudes that would love to be with you.
You are a lot of older dudes.
But here's the, well, no, San Yanz is already filled with families or old people.
Well, yeah, like Solving.
Wait, Solving or San Yez?
Solving and San Yanez are not even like a mile apart.
They're on top of each other.
Yeah, there's like, there's not a, you're in a very small area.
Exactly.
Is it rural?
Is it considered rural or no?
It is.
Okay.
I think you got moved somewhere.
At the very least, you got to take the dating apps and broaden the map.
I mean, the San Diez solving area, there's very few dudes there.
So you guys are making an assumption that I will only date guys in San Diego.
After.
Yeah.
Well, that's what you're implying.
So I am like tonight after this, I'm going to go meet up with someone who lives in Ventura.
And he's going to drive up here.
Yeah.
What?
Why is that surprising to you?
Yeah, why is that surprising?
Why is that surprising?
You told me I needed to broaden my horizon.
That's what Chase said here.
And I stand by it.
Okay, so what?
Ventura, that's like you're okay.
That's a 45-minute game.
Bro, she's looking for love.
Well, he's going to meet me here.
I'm not driving.
Oh, he's meeting you here.
Yeah, I'm not going to drive down to Ventura.
You're crazy.
He's meeting you tonight?
Yeah.
After the show?
Yeah.
At 10 p.m.
Probably.
For a first date?
Why not?
What are you guys doing?
Tuesday night's free.
Why is that surprising?
Well, it's a bit.
We're not sleeping together.
If you're looking for something serious, it's a bit.
You might want something, but he might have the impression that, okay, she wants to meet me at 10 p.m. on a Tuesday.
She's.
I'm very up to you.
Do you think he's watching?
I told everybody that I was going to be on here, so, you know.
You want to say hi to him?
Hi.
I think that's too far of a distance.
You know, a lot of people say when it comes to relationships, oh, it's about mutual attraction or shared interests or loyalty, commonalities, shared values.
Convenience, I think.
I'm being a bit, I'm joking a bit.
Convenience is very important.
If you got to drive, commute.
I don't know.
I'm not going to date some chick in Ventura.
I don't care if she's a 10.
I'm not going to go to Ventura 4.
She's looking to a man to properly be with, though.
If we're talking convenience, obviously you're going to be aware of it.
It's even worse.
No, but it's even worse for serious reasons.
I will speak personally.
If a woman is worth it, no distance is too great.
You'll go to Sweden.
Bro, I already went to fucking Denmark, bro.
No distance is too much.
Wait, you actually went to Denmark?
I spent the summer in Europe to be with the girl that I love.
How was it?
It was amazing.
One of the best summers of my life.
But I think it makes it almost worse.
Like, it's one thing to say, bro.
If you're a true romantic, no distance is too great.
Okay.
You got to drive more than 20 minutes.
It's a wrap.
Bro, that's a wrap.
If she's worth it, it's worth it, bro.
I mean, that's love.
There's plenty of fish out there.
I think that's what I'd say on the bottom.
Not in San Yanes and so on.
You maybe have to, yeah, because of your location.
But.
When I feel like I always hear about guys having girlfriends in Denmark around this area.
Because there's a lot of hot girls in Denmark, and a lot of them come to school here.
Okay.
You wanted to come in on the something to get off your chest?
Yeah, just that I feel like girls usually have like a really negative assessment of like, always like, oh, where are all the good guys or whatever, like all men cheat or whatever.
But I don't feel that way.
I don't know.
Even though I've like been cheated on, I still don't feel that way.
I feel like I know like lots of very high-value guys and girls telling themselves like there's only terrible guys out there.
I don't know like who that serves.
And also I just think they're wrong.
Like from my experience, I've met like quite a few.
I have like, no, like, I don't know, like upwards of 10, like high-value guys that have a problem finding like girls.
And they are like, yeah, how do they have a problem?
Well, just, or just not even that, but that even like high-value guys get cheated on.
I think girls underestimate, like, even if they see a high-value guy, they're like, oh, I can never be with that person.
I don't know, but like, I think girls think that there's a very small amount and that they're super unattainable.
And I super don't think that's true.
I mean, on the one hand, you have to be like a high-value woman, but if you're that, I mean, I don't think you have anything to be worried about.
There's nothing to stress about.
You'll meet them.
I'd like to know when you say high-value woman, what exactly does that mean to you?
That's a great question.
Yeah, someone who knows what they want, is very, takes good care of herself, herself, has like a good sense of humor.
We don't care about that.
You don't?
No, someone who has high standards for guys, who like has her priorities in line, has a good social life, knows how to have fun, balances things.
Here's a question.
What do you think makes a good wife?
I feel like I really don't know what to say about this, but I'm guessing it's not that much different than what you would want in a good husband, considering it's like a partnership.
Very different.
Very different.
Okay, well, then I'm guessing it's someone who's more of like the, I guess that is true, but I guess so.
Someone maybe more of like a caretaker, nurturer, has like, I mean, I know for me as a wife, like my number one priority will be my kids, making sure they have everything they need, raising them properly.
No, that's a good question.
Correctly.
That's being a good mother.
But let me reframe the question.
Yeah.
I want you to picture like the perfect guy in your mind for you to marry.
Okay.
High value, handsome, probably funny, makes a decent amount of money.
Okay.
A guy like that is going to have a lot of options that he can pick from.
Yeah.
He's going to be, if he's looking for marriage, he's going to be looking for a woman who's going to make a good wife.
Yeah.
Because there's women that make terrible wives and there's women that make great wives.
What do you think you would need to embody as a woman to be that great wife for a guy like that?
Someone he would want to wake up to go to sleep to every morning.
So someone who will make his life positive, happy, fun, be the peace, not the pain kind of deal.
So yeah, just fun, positive, loving, hot.
It's fun to be hot.
So healthy, like has their priorities in line.
Yeah, and enjoys them and appreciates them.
I like how you started that answer.
Have you guys ever heard the saying, it's a woman's job to make her man's dick hard, not his life hard?
That's disgusting.
But it's true.
It's true.
It's true.
I actually just saw something pop up just now that said, high-value men don't cheat on high-value women.
Well, he wasn't a high-value guy, so I'm not worried about that in my case.
But yes, that's a great point.
But the point's that it's really rare to find a woman who's truly high-value.
Meaning that she understands, she understands how important it is that she respects the man that she's with.
One thing that I don't think girls know enough about, and correct me if I'm wrong, but it's that guys care way more about respect than I think girls think they do.
Yeah, that's everything.
Yeah, I think girls don't know that.
And so that is the number one thing that, like, one of the main things that I look for, like in a partner, someone I would respect, am I showing him that's how we operate.
I mean, that's how.
I don't respect me.
That's how men operate.
We operate.
Girls often make that.
Girls, we say, like, oh, we want respect.
If girls want to respect, they wouldn't choose guys that disrespect them every day of their lives.
I'm telling you, girls don't care about respect in the way that guys do, even if they think that.
That's why this equal thing is literally.
That's why this equal thing isn't right.
Because you'll say, a guy will say, we need a woman to respect us, but we don't respect women in the same exact way.
And girls will get upset by that.
But it's not the same thing.
We love women.
We have to be respected in order to love them.
So a second ago, did you say that you want a man who you respect?
Something like that.
I mean, if you don't respect, I mean, I feel that way with friendships as well.
I mean, anyone in your life, if you don't respect them, they shouldn't be in your life.
You're wasting both your time.
So I love that you said that because this is, I think, one of the biggest problems in the dating world.
A lot of guys are not worthy of respect.
They don't command respect from their women.
And it's not the kind of thing that you have to command.
Like, you have to respect me.
It's not that kind of thing.
I think dudes earn respect from their women.
Yeah, and it's an earning thing.
It's a fun, like positive thing to seek out guys who are worth appreciating and appreciating them.
Like, that's like a win-win scenario.
Yeah, so I was going somewhere with that.
My question to you is: what makes a man worthy of respect in your eyes as a woman?
That's a great one.
It's okay.
So worthy of respect, he has to have respect for himself, for his body, for his family, for his friends.
Know the worth of his social relationships.
Know the worth of his work.
Be ambitious.
Have like a genuine desire to contribute to his community.
Understand boundaries.
Be polite.
It's kind of like a long list.
Do you think it's a good thing when there's boundaries in a relationship?
Absolutely.
Is it a red flag for you if a guy doesn't have boundaries?
Yeah.
What does that mean?
What do you mean?
Like, when I say boundaries, I'm saying like if a guy, if a guy just doesn't just lets his girl do anything and she can really control him, because a lot of girls will push that.
They'll push for a guy that lets them do whatever they want to do, but then they'll leave him.
So what I'm saying is that comes down to respect.
That comes down to respect.
So boundaries, I think, are extremely important in a relationship.
Or trust.
I think if people trust each other in a relationship, they can do whatever they want to do, kind of.
Not like that, but I think it's also trust and respect.
So can you get like, so for example, like if you're going out on the weekend, like should your boyfriend let you go out on the weekend to the club?
Yeah, 100%.
Should your boyfriend regularly let you go out to the club without him?
Yeah, I mean, honestly, my boyfriend, I wouldn't care.
As long as I trust him.
No, I was asking if he should be cool with you regularly going out to the club without him.
Yeah, I mean, obviously it's not like a one-way street.
If you had a boyfriend and he was regularly going to the club without you, you wouldn't see that as a red, red flag.
Okay, if he was going to the club without me and I wasn't there, for example, I'm like living in another state and another city or something.
But like if we're in the same place together and we're not going out together, like that's a red flag.
But other than that, I'm like, live your life.
I'll speak for myself on this one.
Like, so, okay, I don't go to bars.
I don't go to clubs.
I don't go to parties.
I don't want, like, if I'm going to take a girl seriously, I don't want her going to bars, clubs, and parties.
Same.
Just be one, it's a commonality thing, but also, two, when women go to bars and clubs, that's how you flirt.
You just, that's how women flirt is by showing up, just being there.
So it's basically infidelity.
It's one of the biggest red flags.
Okay, I don't see it that way at all.
Really?
That's very interesting.
I mean, why is it interesting?
I think that's interesting because me as a female who, you know, I like to go out.
I get out maybe like once or twice a year, but I like to go out.
When I go out, I'm not going out looking for a guy.
I'm not going out looking to flirt.
I want to jam.
That's what girls say.
That's what girls say.
I think almost all girls say that.
No, that's not true.
That's not true.
You could say that.
Keep saying it, but you know very well when you go out, you're looking for attention.
Not really.
Yeah, even if you're not looking for a guy, you could be looking for attention.
Why would you be going out to get a girl?
I feel like even if you're not going out looking for a guy, you're looking for attention.
Why else would you dress?
Why else would you dress?
Exactly.
Sex.
What are you putting makeup on?
Put on these floodiest outfit you own.
It's at least attention.
And I agree on that.
I guess it's more that girls don't think, like, oh, if it's just like attention, it doesn't count.
That's not what you do when you're just hanging out with your girlfriends.
You're in your pajamas.
So you're not going to be able to do it.
All right.
Here's a question to settle it.
Here's a question to settle it.
You guys say you disagree.
Would you still get all dolled up to go out to bars and clubs and stuff like that if there were only zero guys there?
Yeah.
You would.
Yeah.
Maybe.
I know it's hard, but we would still want to kill ourselves.
Yeah, probably to take photos makes us feel better.
Sometimes I don't want to walk down the street.
This whole idea that girls dress up for themselves, that's bullshit.
That's bullshit.
That's how expensive makeup is.
Wait, Hold on.
One mic at a time, please.
So do you want to say something and then we'll let Tara go?
Okay, sometimes I just do my makeup for absolutely no reason.
Like, when we feel bad, when we feel bad about ourselves, Allie will come into the bathroom.
She'll be like, are you doing your makeup right now?
And I'm like, yeah, just like for no reason.
Because we want to feel better about this.
Exactly.
We want to look good.
And you guys understand it.
No, that's understandable.
Yeah, it's not for a guy at all.
Sometimes I just want to take pictures.
But that's understandable.
But you don't understand it.
And you never will.
You said sometimes we just want to take pictures.
Who's looking at those pictures?
Boys?
And girls.
And girls.
Because you want female attention so much more than male attention.
Some girls go bad.
The only reason you want girls' attention seeing you look good is so that they're jealous of you because you're getting male attention.
I'm convinced of that.
I have one.
I'll let you come in real quick.
One quick question for you.
So you said one of your big issues is that men cheating, right?
If you could find a guy that you, let's say, in Magical World, you guaranteed knew that he would never cheat on you.
His one condition, though, is that you could not go out to bars, clubs, and parties anymore, ever.
Would you be with that man?
Absolutely not.
There it is.
What do you mean?
Of course not.
That's controlling.
And I'm not here for you.
It's not.
Here's the thing.
Here's what Brian's getting at.
Okay.
If I find a girl that I want to make my wife and I find her super attractive.
Okay.
Yeah, because that's what I would do.
I would make her my wife.
I would ask her to marry me and then make her my wife.
You say, you are a feminist.
You're 100% a feminist.
That is feminist.
You heard me say that.
Oh, I want to make her my wife.
Yeah, because that's what I would do.
I'm an equal human, the woman.
Well, you say that.
You want to make her your wife.
Obviously, she would want to be my wife.
She has her own life.
She wants to be your wife, too.
Of course, but she's not going to be a woman.
She wants to go out to the club.
She wants to do her makeup.
No, she's not going to want to go to clubs.
She's not going to want to go to clubs.
No.
She does.
Because here's the thing.
That's a non-negotiable for me in marriage.
Okay, well, if I find if I find a woman, if there's plenty of women out there that don't want to go to clubs all the time.
Okay, well.
There's plenty of women out there that don't want to go to clubs in tiny little dresses and get hit on by guys all the time.
There's plenty of them out there.
Maybe they just don't want to be hit on all the time.
Like, they just want to go out and have a good time with their girlfriends.
Okay, that's fine.
Hold on.
Hold on one second.
Let me make my point because she interrupted me.
Okay, fine.
What Brian was getting at, if I found some great woman, she's beautiful, I want to make her my wife.
Okay.
If she's like, yeah, I want to go out to clubs all the time without you.
It's like, okay, I don't want that because what happens is beautiful women go to clubs and they get hit on by Chads all the time.
And I don't want her in situations like that.
That's a reasonable thing to want.
I only want to go out with just that girl.
Never, never.
I mean, I would be making her my wife.
Like, I, you know, want another woman if she's my wife.
Exactly.
Men would still have relationships.
We would still have relationships with her.
What if you just want to go out with your friends?
Like, you really don't want to.
You just want to go out with your friends one night.
That's fine, but that's different.
We're talking about a club habit versus I just want to go out with my friends one night.
Okay, but what if you want to go out with your friends to the club?
That's what I'm talking about.
Like, what if I want to go out with Allie to the club?
If I'm married, I don't see any reason why my wife needs to go to a club.
What if she invited you?
Okay, I think your wife is a little bit more like a woman.
We're both young and we like to party.
Why do you say my wife?
Like, why are you saying like my wife?
My wife, like, okay, so you can go to, can you go to the club and your wife can't?
I don't like going to clubs, and I don't want to be with a woman that wants to go to clubs and get male attention.
I think it's different when men and women go to the club.
The experiences that the two genders have are completely different.
So I think it would be a bit more acceptable for the guy to want to go.
But I think in our case, I don't go to bars, clubs, parties.
And I think that's the case with Chase too.
It is.
So not only is it just a commonality thing, but it's also just, oh, you're going to the club, you're getting drunk, guys are coming up, hitting on you.
There's a potential for you to monkey branch.
So like if another guy comes up, fucking some super high-status guys, you're basically, when women go to bars and clubs, you are putting yourself in a position, you're putting the relationship at risk.
Because men just can't keep it to themselves.
Okay, when alcohol is involved, do people cheat?
Do you think alcohol adds to the potentiality of infidelity?
Absolutely.
Heiden stimulation.
Oh, this is really exciting.
Oh, I'm with all my single friends.
They hate fucking Chase.
They hate Brian.
Lauren, can I just say that?
Can I explain to you something?
Can I explain to you something?
What?
It's Lauren, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
I have met probably seven married women in the past five years or so that wanted to cheat on their husbands with me.
Okay.
Dude.
I can relate, bro.
Yeah.
If you were my wife, you're an attractive girl.
Okay, well, I just went to Calvo, and every single guy there was on a bachelor trip and was trying to fucking cheat, so nobody's loyal.
That's not true.
There are people that are loyal.
But if you were my wife and you were like, hey, I want to go to a club, one of the reasons why I wouldn't be cool with it is because if you went there, being an attractive girl, every dude in that club would see you walk in.
They would ask if they could buy you drinks.
They would start chatting you up.
They would start flirting with you.
And that's on trust.
And then that's like where you have to have trust in the relationship.
There's plenty of husbands that trust their wives and their wives still cheat on them.
Okay.
All it takes is a woman being around a guy who's charismatic and good looking enough to talk to her just the way that she likes.
She'll cheat.
But that's what you say.
And you don't know that for sure.
Because I've seen it over and over again.
I've seen it too.
I've seen that with men.
But look at the stats, which is part of the reason why I won't be going to bars or clubs either because I'm a man and I know that I'm a man.
Because you're not going on any bachelor trip.
You're just staying in.
If I'm married, I'm not putting myself in a situation where I'm going to be getting drunk around attractive women.
So are you and your wife are going to go on like a trip together?
No bachelor trip for you.
Together.
I don't know.
No, no.
It depends on what the bachelor trip is.
I've met a lot of guys on bachelor's trips and the groom is always down to cheat.
I think it's different.
And that's wrong.
And I disagree with you.
That's a great guy.
But that's not all guys.
That's not all guys.
Hold on.
You're using this one example.
I know like five dudes, five of my friends that are married.
None of them had bachelor trips where they were putting themselves in situations where they were going to cheat on their...
What?
Is it on the woman?
No, I'm not saying it's all on women, but you're saying all guys cheat on bachelor trips.
No bachelor trips.
Bachelor trips are bad.
I'm saying, Lauren, I'm saying there's dudes that do bachelor trips and they don't put themselves in situations where they can cheat.
Guys that do that are shitty guys.
Okay.
And that's my point.
You're saying all guys do this, but that's not all guys.
What do you mean, what's the flip?
I just explained it.
Going to clubs, getting hit on, all that stuff.
Women just basically leaving their house, going to the bar, going anywhere social.
No, not going anywhere social.
We're talking, we've been talking about going to a club.
Okay.
Okay, sorry for being a little bit more.
A club where women are in tiny dresses getting drunk with a bunch of attractive guys.
It's totally different.
I'm not saying my wife can't leave the house.
I'm not saying my wife can't leave the house.
I'm not saying she can't go do social.
Clubs are the same thing.
The same thing as Trader Joe's.
The same thing as going out.
Trader Joe's.
The same thing as going to a restaurant with her friends or going and doing some outing.
They're not the same thing at all.
I just think it's ridiculous.
You would even try to say, like, someone like a human being can't go where they want to go.
You think it's ridiculous that I, as a guy, would not want a wife putting herself in situations.
Just listen to what I'm saying, Lauren.
You think it's ridiculous that I, as a guy, want a wife not putting herself in situations where she will get hit on by drunk dudes and where she will get drunk.
You think that's ridiculous.
I'm sorry, men should be able to control themselves.
But see, this is the part that I don't think you're quite understanding.
Is that you can do you can do whatever you want, but you don't have to be with that guy.
If you want that high-value man, you're going to have to sacrifice certain things.
It's fine.
I'm not about to cheat on him.
Like when he's out at the bottom of the city, what about a guy that you're with?
Like you're with this guy and he says, I don't want you doing that.
Then I would say that's controlling and I don't want to date that guy.
So you'll never love a man that's like that.
Yeah, yeah, no.
But I'm afraid that that's going to be a problem for you because then those are the guys.
This is a problem for me that I'm never getting married and I've already kind of thought about that.
But that's what's happening.
That's fine.
That's your choice.
So you value your freedom to go to bars and clubs.
I just value my freedom and independence in general.
But I mean, part, okay, so part of being in a committed, monogamous relationship involves a limitation of your freedom to, for example, fuck other men.
It's a sacrifice.
I don't want to do that.
You don't want to make sacrifices for the relationship.
Okay, but so you're willing to only sleep with one person, but so why not be willing to not go to bars and club?
And also, I think it's like if you go out once or twice a year with like it's some birthday party, I think that would be okay, right?
Yeah, it's funny.
It's not a big deal.
If it's like weekly thing.
Yeah, man.
Weekly, like, yeah, I know you wanted to come in.
I know you said how old are you again?
I'm 27 years old.
Why are you asking me?
Somebody tried to put a limit on where I can go right now.
You're putting a difference because we're going to jail because you can't do it.
I think we like to go out more because we're still 22 years old.
We enjoy going to bars and clubs and getting attention from men.
Yeah, that's fine.
That's fine.
That's your guys' choice.
You're free to do it, but it's probably going to, it makes you less of an appealing person to be in a serious relationship with.
I get that.
And I think we don't want highs.
They don't want high science.
So I see your argument.
If I was 27, 29, whatever, I would want someone who wouldn't go to bars and clubs because I would be insecure that they would cheat on me.
This is the problem.
Thank you.
But this is the problem right now.
This is the problem that we have a problem right now, though, which is that girls realize this at too late of a time.
So they're realizing this shit at 27.
I didn't realize it earlier.
Yeah, we're talking about I'm 23.
And I think a lot of guys out there that are listening too, they're younger.
We're realizing this stuff right now because it's important.
And girls need to realize this at a younger age as well.
Because 27 is too late.
Then you've already experienced everything that you probably are going to regret at that point.
You might even have a kid at that point.
You might be in a situation that's not, that's no longer attractive to find that type of man that you want to be with.
So you got to focus on like finding a man, maybe just like focus on yourself.
But that's what girls are doing, and it's leading to the most depressed women of all time.
I think, okay.
He's right.
Go ahead.
You wanted to come in.
So I think that if anyone is habitually going to a club outside of the once or twice a year, I think that there's a deeper issue that you need to ask about that person.
Not necessarily the attention they're seeking, but are they alcoholics?
If you're going out to get drunk once a week at least, I think we're talking about a deeper issue than just cheating.
I think we're talking about addiction here.
I mean, that's pretty much the norm for people who are in college.
Probably Thursday, Friday, Saturday at the bars, clubs, parties, and stuff.
I'm not, would that constitute it?
Probably, I mean, alcoholic.
I think honestly, college is like a fast track to being an alcoholic.
Yeah.
You're talking about binge drinking.
That's what you're talking about.
Did you have more on that?
That's really, I think that was the disconnect at the beginning of the conversation was, would your wife be allowed to go out to a bar or a club?
So in my mind, that's once or twice a year.
What's a big deal?
You're talking about habitually, that should go for both partners.
Nobody should habitually be going out.
Yeah, and I tried explaining that.
And in case it wasn't clear to the viewers, this was not about whether or not you would let your wife go to a bar or a club.
It's would you want a woman who's regularly going to a bar or a club without you?
Or would you want a man who's regularly going to bars and clubs without you?
Okay, maybe not regularly.
I'm just saying, like, as long as the option is there and there's no like, you can't do this, you can't do that.
Yeah, I mean, if I, if I have a high level of trust with my wife and like every once in a while, it's fine.
I'm not saying like I'm so bad about interrupting.
It's crazy.
You build trust, though.
You have to build trust by not having these beliefs that you have.
If the man that you're with is knows about you that you think going out to clubs, St. LA, getting drunk with your girls is okay, he's not going to trust you ever.
Because that's not something that we look for.
Yeah, and like the same goes for the opposite sex.
That's fine.
And that's fine.
That's true.
Yeah.
That's totally cool.
You can ask for that in a guy too.
And a lot of guys will respect that.
what we look for that live was there something you wanted to say before you um no i'm just i'm just taking it all in i I think that you get what you attract.
And, you know, if you're a young girl and you are dating a young guy who also likes to go to clubs, then you guys are a perfect match.
If you're somebody looking to settle down, then you're going to attract somebody who's going to settle down.
Yep.
That's all I have to say.
Yep.
Okay.
I want to move on from this conversation to our next topic here.
And then we will pick up back on anything you want to get off your chest dating related.
We will get to.
Did you have something you wanted?
I'm going to absolutely roast it in the comments yourself.
Sorry.
Actually, let me do one super chat really quick because we got one of our regulars back in here.
Dave on Jackson.
Davon Jackson, thank you for the $10 super chat.
Y'all are literally defending the poor mentality that'll have y'all single and wondering why good men won't commit to you.
It's a fact.
Boom.
Mike drop.
Boom.
Dave on Jackson, thank you for the $10 Super Chat, man.
Much appreciated.
I mean, like I said earlier, I mean, you guys said, well, your big quarrel with men is infidelity, but the men you are finding are tolerating your borderline alcoholic partying behavior.
So that's true.
I mean, it's true.
So how should we act to attract guys that want to commit to us and won't want to be women that are worthy of commitment?
I've just been thinking about it.
Okay, but we're 22.
How would you want, what would you be attracted to as a 22-year-old man?
A woman that's not going to bars and clubs everywhere.
When you're 22?
Yes.
There's plenty of men that don't fuck with going to bars and clubs and all that shit.
Liv, what's your opinion?
Thank you.
I think, like I just said, you're going to, as a young girl, I mean, I understand both sides because I've been on both sides.
I've wanted to settle down and then I've also had my party stage where I partied really hard in high school.
So I feel like I got it like out of my system very fast.
But then again, I still have my nights where I want to go out.
If I'm dating somebody, I would like to have them there with me.
I feel like it's just fun when you can go out together.
And like, yeah, like I said, you're going to attract what you want out of a relationship.
If you want to go have fun, you're going to date somebody who's going to have fun.
Not like people who don't go out don't have fun.
But if you want to date somebody that goes out with you, that's more power to you.
If you want to date somebody who is more ready to like settle down, get a life started, kids, whatever, then that's what you're going to have.
But it will never work if you have somebody who is constantly wanting to go out and you want to, you know, get things moving.
So I think it's more of you just have to come to a mutual agreement of what you both want.
And it's better to find that out sooner than later or else it's going to be ugly.
And we don't even need to be ready for marriage or anything like that.
It's pretty simple.
Just don't be going out.
Don't be getting drunk with your friends.
So I'm not saying don't ever go out with your friends.
I'm saying like if that's a normal thing, if going out with your friends and getting drunk at night in clubs and bars and doing all that stuff is your thing, we don't want that.
We want you to be with us and we want you to ask us to do that.
So you're generalizing a group of people that like to go out.
When you were 22, what did you guys do for fun?
That was last year for me.
Yeah, and where did you meet your girlfriend?
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Okay.
Curious.
I was 22 five years ago.
Me and all my boys were talking to a lot of girls.
Okay.
If any of us were talking to a girl and we liked her and she was going out to parties, we were going out to parties too.
If we liked her and we wanted to date her, you know, we would start talking to her.
And then at some point in the relationship, the conversation would come like, hey, we should start spending more time with one another.
And if at that point in time, the girl was like, well, you know, I also want to keep going to parties without you, then it's like, okay, well, I don't want to date you then.
If you find a guy who wants to spend time with you when you want to go out partying and going to clubs and stuff, like that's the guy who's going to commit to you.
And if it means you sacrificing going out to clubs every single weekend to be with him, like that's the sacrifice.
That's the compromise that you have to make.
That's the compromise that you have to make for a guy that wants to be with you.
And it doesn't mean that you can't ever go out.
Like my boys would go out with their girlfriends to parties all the time and stuff.
Like you can still have fun, but it's a pretty small compromise to make for a guy who wants to be with you.
It doesn't mean he's going to control your whole life.
It just means he can't go to frat parties every day.
So why do girls think that it's the end of the world?
There's such a focus on going out and clubs Here, like, that's not even.
I feel like the focus of most relationships are like a huge point of contention almost.
I feel like we're really because most chicks don't want to go to clubs all the time.
Like, to be honest, it's like I can't really even speak on it because I'm not in a relationship right now.
And if I were in a relationship, like, I don't think I would even be focused on this going to the club, not going to the club, bars.
But that's what's gonna cause you to end up breaking up with them is the fact that it's gonna come down to something where like you do go out and then they're gonna get upset about it and then you're gonna call them insecure and do the whole thing.
You're saying that's like a little bit of a chance.
Yeah, that's what that's what I am.
I am curious to hear that.
Let me get the super chat really quick, then we'll have live coming in this real quick.
Dayvon Jackson with the $10 Super Chat, you keep saying I'm 22 like it's an excuse.
You aren't a child and are able to make grown decisions.
I met my girl in Barnes and Noble.
King.
Is that Storm you can still open?
I love Barnes and Noble.
Borders?
Is that okay?
Yeah, it's still around.
Hey, Devon Jackson, thank you for the $10 super chat, man.
Much appreciated.
Go ahead, Liv.
I just want to say I understand both sides.
They are younger.
So who goes to say that they don't meet somebody later on that completely changes their mind?
They might.
I hope they do.
But if it doesn't happen, that's their personal choice.
But at the same time, there could be a man that comes into life or woman, you know, that makes them want to change.
And that.
I hope they find them.
So if you're going through a party phase, you're almost sort of necessarily also going through a hoe phase.
I mean, if you're going to bars and clubs and parties, like the likelihood that you're hooking up with a bunch of different dudes, like, so you're ramping your body count up.
So then that guy is going to like, is going to look at that and just be like, and maybe you're not.
Maybe you're just innocently going to bars and clubs and parties.
But we know people hook up in these sort of sorts of environments.
So you're going to be making yourself less appealing, less attractive to that guy that's going to come around.
So I don't know, man.
Guys don't want like party chicks.
Like to take seriously, we don't want party chicks.
I don't want a chick who's ran through either.
Yeah.
Body town.
I'm not a party guy either.
But you party.
But you guys party.
Why are you trying to control his life?
Well, we're going to move on from this topic.
I got something else.
I got something else.
All right.
So around the table, do you believe in astrology?
Yeah, I think so.
I just know about mine, so yes.
Yeah, I know about mine.
Okay, but also, do you believe in astrology and do you also ever use it to kind of suss out if this guy is a good match?
Oh, he's a Virgo.
Yeah, I've never used it towards a guy.
Okay, but you believe in astrology.
Okay, just do you believe in astrology?
1 million thousand percent no.
I think it's interesting.
I definitely look at it because I think it's a different perspective.
Whether or not it's true or not, I don't know.
But I definitely do look at it.
There are similarities that I find.
I don't personally like really believe or go deep into it, but I've been educated on it by people who do believe into it.
And I've read up on it a little bit.
And I could see how I relate to my sign a little bit or how I have certain traits.
But I'm not like a, I'm not dating him because he's a cancer type of into it.
I feel like everyone just can find something in astrology and just relate to every single sign.
Like I've looked through, I'm an Aries, and I've also read like all the other ones, Libra, and all that other shit.
And like you can always find one to relate to.
So I don't believe in that at all.
So astrology is an interesting one.
Uh-oh.
You know, you've got two different things going on here.
You got the astrologers.
What's up?
You got something to say?
Oh, no, go ahead.
Go ahead.
You got the astrologers that are telling white women what they want to hear, and they're making boatloads of money off of it.
Okay.
That's bullshit.
All of that, that's nonsense.
They're just telling women what they want to hear.
Then you've also got a very real science of astrology.
And I've spent time looking into it.
A few years ago, I was in a new age phase in terms of spirituality.
I've been in science of astrology.
Yeah, so I didn't know there was such a thing.
Yeah.
Did you say astrologer?
The chat is going to turn on you, Chase.
Did you say astrology?
I'm going to turn on you, Chase.
That's all right.
I'm fine with it.
Well, and let me make the caveat.
I don't think astrology is something that people should look deeply into, especially as a Christian.
This falls under the umbrella of divination, people trying to do fortune telling.
I don't think it's something that people should pursue.
When I was less serious about my faith, I did look into it deeply because I knew a lot of people that were into it.
Very smart people.
I read my birth chart.
It was pretty mind-blowing how accurate it was to me as a person.
And it was the kind of thing where you could tell it wasn't an accident.
It wasn't like, oh, I'm looking at this and I'm trying to find these traits.
No, it was like a description of my physical characteristics, what I look like, how I act, traumas that I've had in my life.
It was very, very specific.
Talked about health issues that I've had.
Very, very real stuff.
There's when I call it a science, there's a matrix of energies, and this is going to sound crazy to people.
There's a matrix of energies in the universe that are organized by the planets.
Okay, and there's a lot to it.
Eric, can you pull up the study that was done recently on astrology?
All right.
So this is the abstract.
Belief in astrology is on the rise.
Although the reasons behind this are unclear, we tested whether individual personality traits could predict such, I can't pronounce that word, unfounded beliefs.
Narcissism got it.
Data was collected for blah, Narcissism was surprisingly the strongest predictor, and intelligence showed a negative relationship with belief in astrology.
It's so over for me.
Overall, our novel results in narcissists suggest that something as innocent as astrology could both attract and possibly reinforce individual differences.
Eric, if you can bring it back.
Yeah, basically, I think that study says that people who believe in astrology are less intelligent.
I mean, yeah, shots fired.
Shots fired.
I'll just say this: like, four of my friends have looked at their birth charts, and I have a buddy of mine who's a student of the occult.
He's studied Freemasonry.
He's studied all sorts of stuff.
And of the four or five of my friends that have done their birth charts, they are almost pinpoint accurate for each of my friends and their individual personality traits, and it's not an accident.
So that's my take on it.
Good times.
Let me get some super chats and we'll go into our next question here.
Did you have something you wanted to say, Tara?
So I came to UCSB to study physics here.
So I have mainly a physics background.
So I'm just going to say from the physics side, I just cannot ever associate myself with astrology.
It is just pretty anthetical to science to me.
And then also on the psychology side, now that's my main major now.
I've also read some papers on the psychology behind belief in astrology, similar to that one.
And one of them being like a common thing you'll run into is confirmation bias.
So you're going to believe and remember the things that are correct, and you're just by your nature not going to pick up or like care about the things that don't align.
So just two things.
Okay, so in response to that, this is why I say that astrologers who sell bullshit to white women is definitely a thing because of the confirmation bias that you're describing.
You just alluded a second ago to the idea that the planetary bodies have no impact on our behavior, on our personalities, anything like that.
Do you think that's true?
That they have, there's no impact on human behavior, the stuff in the solar system.
Do you think that's true?
I mean, that's pretty broad.
I'm going to go with a no there, but yeah.
Okay, so.
I just wanted to ask that question so I could dunk on everyone with the study.
You never did the buzzer button.
I was waiting for that.
I really, there's like the most boring conversation.
There's astrology is just boring.
I want to vindicate myself.
Give me 20 seconds.
I don't want to think you're a stupid narcissist.
I want there to be hope there, so please persuade me.
I would hope that study didn't just convince you that I'm a stupid narcissist.
But human behavior is directly correlated with the lunar cycle.
Okay, so the term lunatic comes from the fact that people act erratically around full moons.
Crime rates worldwide skyrocket with every full moon.
This is a known and studied phenomenon.
Well, isn't that because it's brighter out because of the moon?
That's my first thought there.
You think that people are committing increasing crimes?
Women's cycles are affected by the lunar cycle.
You think all of that?
Well, that's just because the moon is brighter.
Well, because it's brighter, but also if the moon is visible, that would also suggest that there's clear skies.
So temperature is related to criminality also.
If it's cold, people are staying inside.
They're less likely to be out fucking doing crime and shit.
They've done studies on the side.
I mean, our bodies are like 75% water, and the moon affects the tides.
It affects all of the water on the planet.
I'd be surprised if it doesn't affect us in some way.
And I don't think it being bright out changes worldwide behavior.
You know, I'll have to look into it, but thank you for inspiring me.
I'm going to look into it.
We'll have to look at the study, but let's get some super chats and then we'll get into our next question.
Dave on Jackson, thank you for the $10 Super Chat.
If she looks like a 304, associates with the 30 FOs, and goes where the 304s go, then she most likely a 304.
Sorry, not sorry.
Hashtag, sorry, not sorry.
Also, Aries game.
Hey, let's go.
Okay.
Dave on Jackson, thank you for the $10 Super Chat.
Facts, man.
Facts.
Christian Kane with the $10 Super Chat.
What they need to realize is that most men don't ask for much in their woman.
On the other hand, they have a long laundry list of qualifications for a man, and you can't even stay out of the club shaking my head.
It's a fact.
Christian Kane, thank you for the $10 Super Chat.
That's the first time I've seen you, man.
Welcome.
So I think we kind of beat a dead horse with the club thing.
Maybe we go back there later.
But let's see.
Last one here.
We got Dave on Jackson with the $10 Super Chat.
I learned astrology purely for women.
I don't believe in it, but I learned which signs are compatible to know which birthdays to say for a long time.
Okay, so he's basically just changing it, I guess changing up his sign.
Just telling women what they want to hear so they fall in love with him.
Fucking top G over here.
Fucking lad.
You probably text them at 11-11, too.
Probably.
You know what?
Manufacturing synchronicities.
Oh shit, we got Mike Davis back.
Can we get, where's his vigil?
Can we get his vigil?
Where's his vigil?
Yeah, let's put it on the table.
Let's just put it on the table there for just a sec.
Mike Davis, can you at least finally address the vigil, good sir?
Can you please address it?
You refuse to comment on the vigil.
Here, look, can you go center Eric?
Or center Zoom?
There we go.
Boom.
Address it, Mike Davis.
Okay, the only two people that belonged in astrology are non-religious women desperate for an identity and culture, usually white, and men trying to pick them up.
Okay.
Word?
Yep, that's true.
Please address the vigil.
Please, Mike Davis.
Okay, no, this means empai.
Okay, yeah, we're not gonna pull that super chat up.
Wait, though, huh?
All right, next question.
Guys, we got a video to react to.
Chase is gonna love this one.
Let's go.
I think, maybe.
I don't know why I even said that, but okay.
So, Eric, can you pull up the first video really?
Hey, Bestie!
You're wrong.
I think it's time for another adult pre-K lesson.
What do you think?
All right, turn your listening ears on.
You catch a bubble in your mouth.
Good job.
Okay, here's the thing: having a preference is something like, I'm looking for a partner who likes kayaking or wakes up early in the morning or loves pizza.
But when your preferences exclude an entire group of marginalized people, that's problematic.
Okay, that's not nice.
That's not a preference.
If you lump all fat people in one group together as though they are not very different individuals, that's fat phobic.
Just like lumping all black people in one group and saying, I don't like black people is racist.
And lumping all disabled people in one group and saying, I don't think people in wheelchairs are hot is ableist.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
That's bullshit.
That's just really important to listen to.
That's so different than hating a group, a racist group.
That's just preference.
That's just the fact that men don't want fat women.
I mean, do you guys think it's fat phobic?
Like, do you think it's fat phobic to have preferences about whether or not you want to date a fat person?
That's so mean to say that guys just don't want fat women.
That's the truth.
I mean, maybe like fat men want fat women.
Generally speaking, very few of us want fat women.
What women want fat men?
I mean, it's like.
I don't know.
Let's say you had the option, Lauren, between a super jacked Chad and an ultra fat dude.
Which one are you playing?
Okay, well, it's like it's personal preference.
Exactly.
Do you think it's mean that guys have personal preferences too?
But I feel like you're just saying that about all men in general.
Saying what?
Like all men don't want.
No, no, I mean, I think that some men like that, probably.
I'm sure there's people out there, but like for the most part, we're not looking for that.
Like, especially a guy who puts an effort in himself.
I'm going to have no opinion on this.
What do you guys think about what she said?
What do you guys think?
I have a pretty controversial opinion.
I love controversy lists.
It's not anything like original.
You know, a lot of like, I don't know, other podcasters say it.
But like that body positivity is a harmful public service announcement if it's discouraging, prioritizing your health.
So basically, like encouraging people to think like fat is beautiful, fat is like incredibly unhealthy, leads to the number one causes of death in America.
And yeah, it's a terrible thing we should not be encouraging in any capacity.
You are so fat phobic.
I mean, yeah.
I don't know.
Because I'm like, because I'm like health, I'm like pro-health.
I think health is, if it's not your priority, if it's not your number one priority, maybe reconsider that.
Maybe like consider making it your number one priority.
And yeah, I don't think as a culture, we should be like, I'm not saying like bully people for their weight, but don't, but maybe don't have a culture that's shaming, like discouraging people from prioritizing their health and taking care of the body.
So I think there's a balance there because I do have friends that are larger and it is genetics.
No matter what they, no, listen, they do the diets, they do the stuff.
They lose a lot of the weight, but there's some weight that's very difficult for them to lose, even though they're continuously working on it, right?
It's a continuous effort to work on yourself.
So I don't think that we should marginalize people.
But I also think that everybody has their own preferences on what they're attracted to.
If you're looking for partners, people aren't the most healthy, too.
Yeah, there are people who are anorexic.
in the u.s though the u.s has the fattest people and it you know like this can't just be i do believe that genetics play a role That's for sure.
That's true.
But why in the U.S. is it that it's just okay here?
Are we continuing the body positivity concept?
Because I think that there is a certain aspect to that culture where it is overdone and we are encouraging people to be unhealthy.
But my understanding was the question was the intent and preferences in your partners.
So is that the discussion?
Or is the discussion the body positivity?
Which would you prefer?
Would you prefer a man who's in shape or a man who's fat?
I prefer a man who's actively taking care of himself.
Whatever that looks like, as long as they're in the world.
If men are attempting to actively take care of themselves, both of their personalities, incomes, level of commitment to you are almost equivalent.
Would you prefer the man who's in shape or the man who's fat?
It depends on who I'm more attracted to physically.
Your attraction is almost identical to both of them with everything other than the level of fitness that they have.
Then it comes down to their personality.
Personalities are equivalent.
Would you prefer an in-shape man, shredded six-pack, dude looks like Brad Pitt in Fight Club, okay?
Or would you prefer a morbidly obese dude?
So those are two polar opposites.
So if someone is morbidly obese, they're not working on themselves.
He literally can't even walk.
Then that's someone who's not taking care of them.
It's got to be on like my 500 pounds.
That's not even valid.
I know.
That's a ridiculous question.
I mean, yeah, I just, I think almost everybody would choose a person who's in shape.
I think people have that preference.
I don't think it's a good idea.
I think if you don't have that preference, you're like severely confused.
I don't know.
If you're, yeah, if you're not prioritizing your partner, they take care of their health and they prioritize their health, you need to look for different quality people.
So wait, what was your kind of quarrel with what?
I think Michael, right?
Yeah.
what michael was saying what what were you saying before You were saying that it's fat phobic.
What were you saying?
I didn't say anything much.
Just because I was fat-phobia.
She's saying it's wrong that guys don't want to date fat women.
Okay, are you imitating me?
Okay, yes, I am.
Sorry, just because I stepped away for a second.
So what was it that you said?
I don't know.
I honestly don't.
She just said it was mean.
That was all.
What's mean?
What does mean?
Mean guys prefer women who are in shape over women.
What does mean?
I would just say that it shouldn't all be about like, okay.
Looks.
No, not about that.
I mean, I feel like everything should factor equally.
Didn't you say earlier in the conversation you like guys that are jacked?
No, I never said that.
You didn't say that.
Oh, no, you just said like tall, dark, handsome, that kind of stuff.
I never said that.
You asked me what my type was.
Yeah, you said it was mostly physical for you.
Not even personality.
But what it's physical for me meant like it doesn't, he doesn't have to be shredded.
I never said that.
My type is the guy who's shredded.
You're right.
I got that wrong.
I never said that.
So what do you look for?
She likes fat dudes.
Fat.
But okay, what is your issue?
I guess, okay, we watched the video.
I don't like somebody who's mean if you're a bad person.
Honestly, I like someone who is like into self-care.
Someone who gives a shit.
mind the video is the video is a morbidly obese woman complaining that i'm not saying okay morbidly Hold on, let me finish.
Let me finish.
The video is a woman who's morbidly obese who's trying to paint the narrative that it's somehow discriminatory or like fat phobic or just some sort of like marginalization that men don't want to date fat, obese women.
So do you have an issue with men that don't want to date fat, obese women?
Do you think that's wrong of men to have that preference that they'd prefer to date women who are not fat?
I don't know.
I guess everyone can have their preferences.
Okay, fair.
But I will say that.
But I feel like there was a but.
No, everyone can have their preferences.
Everyone has their preferences.
Okay, but do you think that that is an unjustified preference that menu?
I just think you shouldn't base everything on that.
On what?
On like, okay, you look at someone, they're like, I guess.
Morbidly obese.
Okay.
I mean, her personality is dog shit, too.
Yeah.
She's constantly.
Okay.
In that case, I would say, yeah.
No, I wouldn't want to go for someone who's morbidly obese and has a dog shit personality.
But, you know, if they're morbidly, I mean, okay, I'm not talking about morbidly obese.
I'm saying someone, okay, maybe they have like a couple extra pounds.
You treat me like a queen.
Like, I really like them.
They have a great personality.
We get along.
I'm not going to hold those extra pounds against them.
But, okay, but she's morbidly obese.
I think she's talking about like women who you would, if a woman has a little bit of a little belly, like a little couple extra pounds like you said, I don't, most guys, that's probably fine.
In fact, most men like thick women.
But you never said morbidly obese from the job.
Yeah, but she's morbidly obese, and she's complaining about...
I don't remember the exact words, but I've got to get...
I don't want someone who's unhealthy, like morbidly obese.
I got a good question.
So earlier when you were describing your type, you said, was it, you like tall guys?
I don't think I ever even said tall.
Okay, so no tall, but you like dark features.
Okay.
What else did you say?
I think I just said like brown eyes and brown hair.
Okay, brown eyes and brown hair.
What would you say if a guy made a video and he was like, I think it's so wrong that women have preferences only for guys with brown eyes and brown hair.
I think that's discriminatory.
I think you're marginalizing guys with blonde hair and blue eyes, and I think it's wrong that there are girls out there like you.
What would you say to a girl?
Okay, well, you know, when you asked me that, I wasn't saying, oh, that's only like exclusively.
I'd only go for guys with like brown hair and blonde eyes.
I was just saying it was something I, it was like a type of mine, but at the end of the day, I think it comes more down to like who you get along with.
You can't really control who you like.
Do you like short guys?
I mean, I'm short, so...
Like, let's say a guy was five foot.
Would you date him?
I'd prefer not to, but let's say he really treats me well and we really get along and I really like him.
You would date him.
Yeah.
I would.
So.
On that note, I actually want to make a point, though, to guys that are short that there's zero reason to give up if you're a short man.
His short kings.
Yeah, I mean, that's a reason to give up.
There's no reason to give up.
Short kings rise up.
That's right.
And MGTOW, men going their own way.
That's some BS, man.
You got to learn how to get past that and work on yourself and still become men.
Just because girls say that right now, like you can still prove yourself.
You can still become a high-value man if you're short, if you're fat, like you work on yourself.
Short kings.
Yeah.
Build yourselves in the gym.
Build your sense of humor.
Build your sense of confidence.
Build your social status.
Build your career.
Build all these things.
Get that charisma, that fire of confidence inside of you.
You guys can pull most women that you want.
Women say that they prefer tall guys.
You get an ultra charismatic short king around.
They'll flock to him.
I've seen it happen.
I like a guy who can make me laugh.
And then still get curved by the girl who wants a guy who's 6'3.
Okay, so.
But yeah, no, I mean, obviously, improve yourself.
But yes, men who are shorter do definitely face an added challenge when it comes to dating.
So, okay.
Did anyone else want to come in on the reaction to the video?
Do you want to give your take?
I don't think you spoke on it yet.
I really agree with Lauren pretty much, but oh, yeah, I think that body positivity is more popularized these days, I guess.
Yeah, but I'm personally attracted to physical looks first.
But I, yeah, I don't know what to say.
I really liked your take, Tara.
I thought you had a very good take on it.
Thank you.
It's kind of funny, though, like how women can reject men for damn near nothing, but can get completely butthurt and have to mega cope when they get rejected by men.
So they have to make TikTok videos talking about how all men need to change.
I think women get off to rejecting men.
I just saw a video on that.
I think every time a man comes to you and you reject him, there's a little dopamine hit and you love it.
I can validate that.
Really?
I can validate that.
Yeah.
I don't think that's true.
That's not been like, I don't know.
It's probably what I'm saying.
I don't know.
You feel really terrible.
I don't know.
Me and other people I know.
Say it again.
So I believe that women, many women, they get off to it a little bit.
They like when men approach them and they just say no and they just look away and just blow them off.
You think they like the hit of dope.
It's validation.
It's attention.
Possibly also a feeling of power.
Like I just rejected it.
Absolutely.
It's a total power trip.
Absolutely.
It's a complete power trip.
I don't think that's always the case.
It's probably a case-by-case basis.
Yeah.
But I wouldn't even say that's like majority of the case.
I think most times it's like girls feel really bad.
They're like, what do I say to him?
I don't want to hurt his feelings, but I'm just not into it.
Like, I feel like most of the times girls keep seeing guys that they don't like because they don't want to hurt their feelings.
At least that's my experience.
What do you think?
I think that it goes both ways.
It depends on the females, but I can validate that there are females out there that totally, like, they go out to the clubs just so they can know.
What do you think, Liv?
I think for me, it's a case-by-case.
Like, if a guy walks up to me with like a fat ego and it feels nice to reject him a little bit because, you know, take it down.
But if he's a super nice guy and he genuinely wants to take me out and I'm just like not feeling it, I'll be like, I'm sorry.
Like, no.
But I really haven't like, I feel like I really haven't rejected anybody in person either.
I've only rejected over DMs.
Yeah, like DMs, texts, because they come in like really rude about it.
That's when the ego comes in.
And it's like, no.
How often do guys hit on you in person these days?
Ooh, that's a good question.
Never.
I've been told I'm very intimidating.
And so I don't get approached very much.
Do you wish guys came up to you more?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it'd provide more opportunity.
I just said I'm only free on Tuesdays.
So if you see me at the grocery store, you know.
What about you?
Wait, you're only free on Tuesdays.
Yes.
So if a guy, like, let's say you've been dating a guy for three months, still only free Tuesdays?
I mean, if my daughter goes on a sleepover or hangs out with her friends, it goes to her friend's house, then sure.
But I have my daughter 24-7.
We will get to your question, by the way.
Wait, so then, I mean.
Don't you think that this is just another, like if a guy had a choice between dating a woman who's only free on Tuesdays versus dating a woman whose her schedule is pretty wide open, that's another detractor.
I have less of a chance, absolutely.
But you just asked if I wish that guys would approach me more.
So they don't know that.
They don't know I'm only free on Tuesdays when they just see me around.
Sure.
Okay.
Rest of the girls, you want to answer his question?
This guy in his fucking scooter, man.
These fucking scooter guys, man.
I guess in terms of rejection, we often, going back to the club scene, a guy will buy us a drink, and you know, ladies tend to use men for, you know, a drink.
We might run away.
I guess that's a form of rejection, but yeah.
I don't know if that has to do with ego.
We're like, oh, he thinks we're cute.
Let's get a drink from him.
And then like, F him.
Let's run away really quick because he's not our type.
He's, you know, whatever.
I wonder, just on that drink thing really quick, and I don't know if this is really a thing.
Maybe I'm reaching here.
But do you think that, Chase, maybe one of the reasons that men might, one of the other reasons why men might have an issue with a woman going to a club is that men are going to be buying them drinks.
And that's almost fulfilling the provider role in a way.
And it's like, maybe I'm like kind of grasping here, but.
I think you're projecting a little bit with the provider thing.
Unless a guy is like balling out, ordering them really expensive liquor in an effort to show off.
Then a woman might be like, ooh, this guy has money.
I would consider it like crossing the line of cheating.
I think it's not just, I don't think it's necessarily, I don't think it's cheating if a girl goes out to a bar, but I do think if she accepts a drink from a guy, it's like kind of crossing the boundary of cheating.
Yeah.
So some guys like it.
That's a good idea.
You're inviting the attention.
I mean, yeah, that literally says that, I mean, I consider that like a bit.
I don't know.
Anyways, you guys answer his question.
Can I say one thing, too?
This might be very controversial.
Be controversial.
If a girl is hitting on the guy that I, if a girl is hitting on a guy that I'm dating, like, honestly, I don't care because I see it as a compliment.
I'm dating a guy that's attractive.
Girls don't hit on men.
Generally speaking.
She's making a good point, though.
From experience.
So, yeah, that might just be me.
You know, I think a lot of women probably feel the same way because women want guys that other women want.
It validates.
It's like, I really don't care.
Like, a million girls come up.
And also, I think I have a lot of trust in my partners.
I'll say this real quick on that.
This is a really important point, especially for the dudes out there that are trying to figure out what's going on in the dating world.
If a girl is with a guy and she sees a lot of women want him, that's going to make him very attractive to her.
Exactly.
That's why when guys go out with their girl or with another girl, automatically they're going to get way more female attention.
Way more female attention.
Because it's a pre-approval thing.
It's pretty cool.
Guys are not the same way.
Have you guys ever known a guy and maybe he hit on you and you weren't really that into him and then he got a girlfriend and she was attractive and it changed kind of the way that you looked at him?
Does that ever happen?
No.
Oh, yeah, all the time.
That's what happened to my lucky ex-boyfriend.
I am like convinced of it.
There's something called like the Pete Davidson effect.
I don't know.
That's what I call it.
But like if a beautiful studding girl is dating a mid-guy, you know, like nothing like amazing, he is the hottest thing that's ever happened in this town.
Men listen to this.
I kind of do agree.
Women need their female counterparts to co-set.
Yeah, 1,000%.
Like men, we don't need to go to our guy friends and be like, oh, do you think, what do you think about her?
Like, no, we don't need that.
But like, women will ask their fucking girlfriends, or if it's just already, you know, there's a situation like you guys described where the guy's getting hit on.
Speaking of which, tip for all the dudes out there that want to become better with women, if you start talking to a girl and she introduces you to her friend group, if you can charm her friend group and make them like you, it will make you so much more attractive and likable to her.
How do you feel if you're dating a girl and then all of a sudden all your homies like think she's really attractive?
How do you feel about it?
I mean, I want to be like, yo, like, I know she's hot, but back the fuck off.
That'd be weird if a dude, like a guy friend, was like saying that.
I mean, I mean, if he's, well, if he comes.
I'm not saying it in that way, but like, if your friends think your girlfriend's pretty.
There's a bro code.
There's a bro code, right?
And like, let's say I start dating a girl and he's like talking to me about how hot she is and stuff.
Like there's a point where it's like, okay, yeah, like, thanks, bro.
I know.
Like, and he's going to be like, yo, like, great job, dude.
Exactly.
But if he fixates on it, it's like, yo, the fuck's going on with you, dude.
You know, like, what's this obsession you have?
When I was in college, there was this girl that came around my friend group of guys, and we all thought she was super hot.
But one of my buddies started dating her, and all of the rest of us, like, back the fuck off.
That's what guys are supposed to do.
You know?
Huge cause for concern.
Whereas most girls, it's like you want to show them off, right?
You want to be like, hey, like, look at this is my guy.
Like, if you get with that high-value man, you're showing him off.
I mean, anyone you're, if you're dating them, you probably would think they're high-value.
Gonna do some super chats here.
We got Mr. Mike.
Good point.
Mike Davis with the $10 Super Chat.
The only two people that belonged in astrology are non-religious women desperate for an identity and culture usually white.
Oh, wait, we already did this one.
My bad.
Okay.
Elder Scrolls with the $10 Soup Chat.
She's a 10, but she still eats seed oils.
Yes, dude.
Elder Scrolls based, bro.
Seed oils are one of the biggest, biggest problems in the Western world right now.
It's actually why so many people in America are obese.
If you guys, can I bring up this point as a tangent for seed oils?
It's related to dating.
What's up?
So if you know what's up with seed oils, you probably know what's up with like women's hormonal birth control.
You know, you got to cut that out too.
So one of my beefs with feminism is that telling young girls that hookup culture is good for them and empowering to them makes them just more dependent on birth control.
And yeah.
And to add on top of that, birth control affects women's fertility long term.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, there's a million reasons to like not be on.
I mean, there's reasons to be on it.
I don't want to like go crazy on birth control, but that's just related.
Like that's just a beef with feminism.
It makes you more dependent on taking a pill every day of your life since you're 16.
That's crazy.
And it causes nutrient deficiencies, affects their fertility long term.
You know what the fucked up part about it is?
Nobody when they're young gets taught about the fertility method of not getting pregnant.
Yeah, you know what girls don't know?
Only five days.
Let me know if any of you guys knew this, but there's only five days of your menstrual cycle where you can actually conceive.
The other 25 days, there's no chance of you getting pregnant.
You cannot get pregnant.
I knew that.
Did you guys know that?
I knew that.
I hadn't heard that until like last year.
Yeah, it's your like for it's your um which makes a little woman so dumb.
Yeah, that's why when women get older, they literally tell their husband or whoever they're with, we have to do it tonight at this time because that's when I'm like the most fertile.
That's literally a thing.
It's three days before and after ovulation or something, right?
It's the five days up to and including the day population.
Okay.
Yeah.
Tara Peterson giving a lecture again.
Okay.
Yeah, it's base though.
Wait, women need to know that.
Yo, but what about the copper IUD?
Copper IUD, that's non-hormonal.
There's so many complications.
Yeah, I don't want a piece of metal in my body for what I can have more meaningless sex.
My mom isn't well, my mom's a nurse, and she was a Dell room nurse for a while, like delivery room.
And she actually delivered a baby two years ago to teen parents that came out holding the IUD.
Like literally was born with the IUD and it still gets pregnant.
What?
Yes.
It was a big fuck you to the mom and dad, but like, you know, it's just easy.
Good times.
Okay.
The more you know.
Dave Von Jackson with the $10 Super Chat, being obese shows a lack of discipline, so you tend to question other habits they may have.
Very good point.
The people the one lady was referring to that put in effort and don't see results are a small minority.
Yeah, that's a really good point because I mean if someone's overweight, someone's fat, someone's obese, that points to, I think, a character defect or a character flaw.
They're not, you know, taking care of their health.
What other bad habits do they have?
You know, so Mike Davis with the $10 Super Chat.
If Blondie thinks men are being hard on the fatties, I'll give her a lifetime free pass to double whoppers so she can be a real ally and support her fat ass sisters in their struggle.
Mike Davis is the GOAT.
I just said I want to eat.
By the way, he owns like, I think he's actually just recently, he's acquired a couple of other chains of Burger King.
He said he didn't own Burger Kings.
He owned other things.
No, he trust.
He's definitely on some Burger Kings.
Oh, okay.
He for sure owns Burger Kings.
Some people are super skinny and they're not healthy either.
Yeah.
He used to be in the subway business, but after the chair.
He's told me to eat a bunch of burgers so I can give him money.
Did you talk last time, Yuran, about how birth control affects women's interest in men?
I didn't talk about that.
I went really into specifics about how different differences on the menstruals, like where you are in the menstrual cycle will affect men.
But yeah, but that was for women not on birth control.
I don't know what it's like for were you saying that when women are closer to ovulation, they prefer more like alpha male Chadley cheats?
Yeah.
They prioritize physical attractiveness over.
Have you seen the literature on birth control and female attraction and how it changes it?
Yeah, I've seen some of it.
Some of it, yeah.
It's pretty crazy shit.
What is it?
So are the women more masculine?
Dude, so women, on average, on birth control, prefer men with more quote-unquote like beta features and more like feminine features, and women off birth control prefer men with more masculine features.
Interesting.
I have to say this is really interesting as a person who's been in birth control since high school.
Do you agree or disagree?
I think it's situational.
Okay.
But, you know, I can say that I definitely don't prefer a more feminine male.
I can say that it does affect my hormones and my overall pheromones.
The pheromones?
It affects it big time.
Really?
Oh, yeah.
They did another study.
Women who were on birth control.
So, through pheromones, people can detect the immune system of a partner and whether or not their immune system is compatible with the other person's immune system.
Women off birth control are better able to detect a man who has a complementary immune system to their own.
Women who are on birth control have a much harder time detecting pheromonally a man's immune system and whether or not it's complementary.
It like totally scrambles the wires.
They can't smell which men are complementary to them.
Maybe that's my problem.
Could be.
Let me go back to the super chats here.
Dayvonne Jackson with the $10 Super Chat.
I have no sympathy for women who are disqualified for the decisions they make.
Weight, going out, single moms, et cetera, who disqualify men for how they were born.
Okay, so are you talking, Dave on?
Are you talking about like height?
That's what I suspect.
I have no sympathy for women who are disqualified for the decisions they make, weight, going out, single moms, et cetera, who disqualify men for how they were born.
That's probably, I mean, that could be height, that could be peen size, that could be if they're balding.
You know, men have a male pattern, baldness.
You know, some guys get it even in starting in high school.
So, Dayvon, thank you for the $10 soup chat.
Green Lantern with the nine British pounds, I believe.
Would you date a bi man for the guys?
Would you date a bi girl?
We'll go around the table really quick on this: yes or no?
Yeah, yes.
You date a guy who's bi?
Yeah.
Okay, a guy who sleeps with men.
I mean, I'd rather we be in a exclusive dating relationship.
Like, I wouldn't want him to be sleeping with other guys.
Is that what you were saying?
Well, no, it's just, I mean, let's say a week before you hook up with a guy, he was bottomed out by a dude.
Just bent over on a bed and just ram.
Just ran.
I really just, I don't have a preference on that.
BBC?
Huh?
Wait, what?
No, I don't have a preference on that.
For four years prior to me.
You don't care.
For four years prior to meeting you, he'd only been taking it from dudes.
And then he was like, you know what I like?
I personally like a bi man.
I like the guys that are kind of femme.
Me too.
That's one of my types.
I think for sure.
Are you guys?
I think they know what they're doing.
Are you guys on birth control?
No.
I am.
And I like bi men.
I like femme control.
I like femme men.
Can you explain that?
Like when you say you like femme men, like what?
They kind of like have a girl.
They're more artsy.
They can't.
Are you attracted?
Like you're more attracted?
Sometimes.
I think girls are.
Are you into girls?
Sometimes.
Okay, well, there we go.
Have you guys ever hooked up?
No.
No.
We're just best friends.
Okay.
Said package deal, both interested in girls.
Figured maybe.
Definitely have a lot of guys want us both at the same time.
For sure.
But I think bi men are more down to earth.
I would have to be a really lucky guy.
But you haven't done that.
No.
A lot of propositions.
Yeah, that's some top secret info.
Would you date a bi guy?
That's a definite no.
That's a no from me.
No.
Hold on, Kiki.
A no.
Okay.
No, I wouldn't.
No, most likely.
Would you date a bi girl?
No, probably not.
It's possible, probably not.
Okay.
Chase.
I'd date a bi girl.
I'd date a bi girl.
I just feel like there's more potential for risk there.
I think that guys sometimes find bi women more attractive.
Like they want guys find it when girls are making out, hooking up, they get turned on and think it's attractive.
From what I've seen, from personal experience.
Yeah, a lot of my friends find that hot.
It's true, but it's just them being bi.
It's like, it's just, there's something about it.
Like you're kind of more likely to potentially sleep with another man too.
But it's also different.
Like with girls, it's like girls, kiss girls.
It's like so chill.
But like with guys, I feel like there's a different view.
Yeah, I mean, but I think if we're talking about that, that's no big deal.
But if it's like, if she's actively dating other girls, it'd be kind of like, that's kind of weird.
Like, I don't think I would want that.
If she's like actively, like, if she's just hooking up with another girl, like, sure.
But if she's dating other girls, it's like, probably not.
Are you just saying that to be controversial?
Are you like you actually think that?
No, no, no.
I wouldn't want a girl that's actively dating other girls, most likely.
You mean like actively dating, like you guys, she's dating someone when you're dating her, or just like in general?
Like when I'm dating her.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, that makes sense.
But you mean even in the early stages, you wouldn't want to be dating a woman who's dating other girls.
It's just like, because I think about it in terms of marriage.
So it's like, when I think about dating a girl or being with a girl, it's like I'm thinking about marriage.
So if the girl is like hooking up with other girls, it's like, I'll view her as maybe a potential partner for like a one-night stand or something.
But I don't really take that.
I don't take that as marriage material.
Why wouldn't you three date by guys?
Does Kiki go first?
I think that it's more risk as far as you know the temptation.
You know, it's double the probability that they're going to stray away from your relationship.
I just think it's just a turn off.
I don't know how I can like imagine like the guy, a guy I was supposed to be having sex with, like you know, I just simply don't understand how that just wouldn't be attractive.
That would just be like an instant turnoff.
Maybe, maybe I can also frame it this way.
Would you guys be down to peg a guy?
What is that?
No.
You would not be down to peg a guy.
Oh my god.
No.
Why not?
So disagree with that.
Because that doesn't turn me on.
It doesn't.
What if it turns him on?
I don't care.
But would it be a turn off for you?
I'm trying to get at something.
Would it be a turnoff for you to peg a guy?
Would it be a turnoff for you?
Kind of.
Because that's like not.
What?
It's a fair question.
This is like such a different subject.
It's like one is okay if we're into bi people and the other one is like what we like in the bed.
It's such a ridiculous question.
It's related.
It's related.
It's so easy.
It's so easy to admit, yeah, it's a turn off.
I don't want to peg a dude.
Okay, and then you also ask, oh, is dating a bi guy?
Like, are we into that or not?
I don't care.
But yeah, personally, we're in the bedroom.
This is a different conversation.
I'm not down to peg a guy.
That's different.
That's fine.
That's totally.
That's a good answer.
So, Carrie, do you think if you're dating someone who's bisexual that they're not going to want you to participate in some of those?
That's not where I was going.
I mean, that's a fair question.
That's a fair question.
That is fair.
But the point I'm trying to make is that it would kind of be putting you in a role where you would be dominating the guy and you would find that unattractive to be dominating him in that way.
That's so different.
It's like, are you into being dominated or being like, that's anyway?
Okay, whatever.
Next super chat here.
We got Jordan Huber here with the $10 Super Chat.
Why is it when men have standards, it's controlling more insecure.
But if women have standards, it's knowing their self-worth or what they want.
That's a great question.
That's actually a very fantastic point.
Live?
Oh, Liv.
Liv, what's up?
You're really pretty and knowledgeable.
Jordan Huber, thank you for the $10 super chat.
That is a fantastic point, though, because definitely men in today's day and age are not allowed to have preferences, standards, and boundaries.
When we do and when we voice them, it's almost always met with contempt or some sort of shaming language, or you're insecure, you're an incel, you're a misogynist, just some sort of shaming language.
Men are not, women apparently have a monopoly on having preferences, standards, and boundaries.
The second that the man has one, oh, that's discrimination.
Or, you know, one of these shaming terms.
So, controlling.
It's always controlling.
Controlling, insecure, small dick energy, blah, blah, blah.
What I think that is, is a cultural conditioning that's happening societally to demasculize men and break up the family home.
Yeah.
Yo, exactly what it is.
They are trying to destroy the nuclear family.
They are.
The nuclear family is the strongest.
So that's where they're going to get us.
Yep.
Damn, based.
What a legend.
Your name's Ashley, right?
Correct.
Ashley the legend.
Ashley the.
Okay, anyways.
So that's it for the super chats.
On to our next topic.
Okay, so would you rather find out your boyfriend spent $5,000 on a sex doll or that he cheated on you with a girl who's uglier than you?
What a great question.
Oh my God.
How much money do we have in the bank?
Is the question.
He's like maybe 70K a year type of guy.
Liv, we'll start with you.
Go ahead, Liv.
I was just going to ask: is he fucking this ugly girl over and over?
Just like he would do with the doll?
No, well, I think it's like probably a, I don't know.
I didn't think the question that far through.
Let's just say he's cheating on you.
Okay, so it's like an affair to me.
One night stand.
Yeah, maybe let's just say he did it once.
Okay, one night stand versus the sex doll.
Versus the sex doll.
It costs $5,000.
I mean, if we have money in the bank, I guess I'd rather find out he bought a sex doll rather than going with a whole nother girl.
But then again, if the girl's ugly, it might be a confidence boost.
Isn't that like so sad, though?
Wouldn't it be so sad?
I don't know how I would answer that because that's such a weird question.
Obviously, I'd want to find out he bought a sex doll over that he cheated.
I don't know.
$5,000?
Like, he just spends $5,000 to have sex with a doll over a real person?
Then, yeah, I'd probably rather have him cheat with like an ugly girl.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Keep it up, Eric.
Is that because it would be pathetic for him to be having sex with a doll, spending way too much money on it?
It's just what conversation did I just step into?
That's why I'm saying you missed a good question.
I think I would rather, yeah, I'd probably rather find out he's cheating with an ugly girl because it's like, one, she can have you.
Two, you know, no money out of my pocket.
So, or our bank account.
So he spent your money on the doll.
Oh, I'd be pissed.
Yeah, then the ugly girl.
I want to wait for my next question until she's back.
We'll skip this sex doll one.
It's kind of dumb.
What was the question?
How did it get to that?
If you had to choose, would you rather your boyfriend cheat on you?
Or sorry, if you had to choose, would you rather find out your boyfriend spent $5,000 on a sex doll or that he cheated on you with a girl who's uglier than you?
I've got a better one.
What were your answers?
We didn't get to answer that.
Well, okay, we'll let you guys go.
We'll let you guys go on that really quick.
Just give us a quick answer to that.
Well, my answer is that my answer is that, you know, I think they're both equally bad because if he's going to spend five grand on a doll, then you're obviously a doll.
Well, no, I mean, it's the fact that he finds more validation in the doll or the other woman.
I think it's both terrible.
Equally bad?
They're both equally bad.
Be gentle.
Be gentle.
Kiki.
I would definitely way more prefer the sex doll because that makes me think that he was like caring about my feelings probably and then also isn't exposed to the risk of STDs or having a child.
Fair enough.
That person, which is like worst case?
Yeah.
Yeah, low-key agree with that.
Maybe he's trying to like step up his sex game doll and practice some crazy moves.
I don't know.
Does the doll have an opinion?
Does she get to give him reviews after?
Was it consensual?
No.
Yeah, I don't know.
It's a crazy question.
What would you guys think of him after the fact, finding out he had bought a doll?
I would just be like, what can I do better?
Probably.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think that's fair.
If he prefers an inanimate object to you, that's not a good sign.
Either way, it's not a good thing.
Because if he's spending $5,000, I would think it'd be as realistic as possible.
So that does kind of, yeah.
That's a question that you really have to think about before you answer because there's so many factors that could go into that.
Okay.
I want us to react to a video.
Actually, I think we, did we get a super chat?
Did we do this one?
Did we do this one?
These women have been socially engineered.
No, we have not.
These women have been socially engineered and have acquired tastes that aren't genuine to them.
When push comes to shove and they had to be stuck with one man, they'd always choose a real man.
Yep.
That's facts.
That's true.
Mike Davis, fucking legend.
Mike Davis always coming in with the heaters, dude.
I'm surprised that there's not more roasting, though, Mr. Mike Davis.
Yeah, we need some roasted.
There's a lot to roast here, Mike.
You know what?
Do you think it was kind of related to our previous conversation as far as like people being, should we pull up the Crowder reaction clip?
Go for it.
Chase, what do you think?
Yeah, go for it.
All right.
This is related to our discussion about how, you know, when you're, oh, well, if you're 22, that, you know, you just go to the club, like, whatever.
So, Eric, if you can pull up the clip in the video tab.
Shout out to you.
I might have put it in hidden folder.
Yeah.
Do you guys know his show got featured on Steven Crowder?
Big influencer.
Do you know Steven Crowder?
Yeah, go back up.
It might be go up.
It's a pretty big deal.
Oh, there it is.
Okay.
Kind of a big deal.
All right.
So let's watch this first, really quickly.
There was a group of women on a podcast who's been making the rounds.
And I guess the host, I'm not familiar with it, but the host kind of called them the task and they didn't know what to do with it.
They're proclaiming what a wonderful thing it is for women in their 20s to not be in relationships.
And they use these broad terms like explore themselves.
Anyway, just see how this goes down.
I know that they're talking to a bunch of guys, so why would I close myself off to just that one guy?
Right?
I don't know.
Do you guys agree?
Yeah, like why would I take someone seriously when clearly they're not?
Yeah, not taking me seriously at all.
Especially because we're all like in our early 20s.
Like this is the time to explore and find yourself too.
Exactly.
When you say explore and find yourself, does that mean just like get run through by a bunch of dudes?
No!
Wait, we're no.
I'm just translating.
I'm literally finding who you are.
The correct answer is yes.
That's what they meant.
Or girls.
Yes.
Here's the thing.
We're in our 20s.
Yeah, you know, you know, World War II was won by women in their 20s.
Like, that was a big part of, you know, the war effort.
Like, back in the day, women in their 20s were working.
They had children.
They had established families.
They had a home.
You don't have to, in your 20s, have a bunch of meaningless relationships in one night stance.
It is true.
There is a double standard, just to be clear.
And it's not that we're setting it.
Biology is setting this standard.
Men don't have that kind of a window.
Men can have kids well into their, gosh, Abraham.
I mean, you go like, probably into your 90s.
I don't know, but I'm sure it can be done.
I mean, you need assistance.
But you do have a certain win.
And if you're saying, oh, I'm going to waste my 20s.
And women often get into their 30s and they go, oh, they end up settling.
You say, I'm not going to settle for anything less than perfect when you're in your 20s.
And then you end up settling for a trash bag in your 30s because now you're up against the clock.
And I'm not saying, just to be clear, people use this term slut shaming all the time.
No, look, that's not, I'm not slut-shaming anybody, okay?
That being said, look, can we all acknowledge that not most women are whores, okay?
Let's be clear about it.
Probably not even a plurality, okay?
But some are.
And it's a bad idea.
Are we not allowed to say that some are at this point?
Yeah, well, if you're just going on your, and you're going into it with the mindset of, I am going to sleep around.
Because it's my 20s, some women are.
And we'd like to thank your dad.
Find guys that are serious about you.
Don't settle for the guys that obviously aren't taking you seriously.
By the way, if you want to be taken seriously, be somebody that can be taken seriously as well.
You didn't quite get it.
They're young, I get it.
It's this baseline.
It's this baseline.
Oh, we're in our 20s.
This is what we do.
Something happens in college.
You know, I was in college, so I was getting ripped all the time.
Look, I drink.
I'm not someone who I don't drink a lot.
I have no problem with people who drink.
I have no problem with people who do these things responsibly.
But to say, well, the baseline is if you're in college, it's four years of glorified alcoholism.
It doesn't have to be that way.
And this is perpetuated by, of course, the entertainment industry saying, well, this is what women should do in your 20s.
This is what you should do in college.
No, no, no.
You can make good decisions at any point in your life.
And they're so dumbfounded.
I was like, exactly.
No, that's not what we mean.
Well, what do you mean?
I mean, you know, have a bunch of relationships and sleep with a lot of guys.
Okay, here's the issue.
And I will say it is a double standard.
When people say, why am I a slut if I do this?
And men aren't.
Okay.
That is true.
Here's why.
You're the gatekeeper.
Your set point, women, you control access to sex, right?
Because your natural set point is, no, I don't know.
Prove your worth.
A man's natural set point is please.
So you are the rate limiting factor.
Take advantage of it.
We've tried to empower women by stripping them of something with which they're powerful.
The ability to pick a suitor.
You've given it away.
Yeah, you have value.
Yes.
You know?
You have inherent value.
Yeah, that you can use.
Like, if I ever hit rock bottom, I just can't go out and sell myself.
No, you can't.
No.
You've put it in the middle of the money.
It's just going to be to other men.
Yes, exactly.
All right.
So that's Stephen Crowder reacting to one of our videos.
Let's have, Frank, thank you for the super chat.
We'll get to it after we have the people's reaction here.
Your reaction to the video.
And you touched on a couple different points, but your reaction.
Oh, I think, what did he say?
Like, we're giving away our value as women.
Well, he said a lot of things, but I mean, one of the things that we sort of talked about earlier on the show is that you don't have, even though you're young, you don't have to go through a whole phase, basically.
You can be trying to find that long-term serious guy.
I mean, I think in that regard, it's really up to the person.
If you find the right person, some people find the right person in high school, for example.
You meet that person in high school, they settle down with them, they essentially remind you.
Sorry.
I think some people, for example, they meet their forever person in high school.
Some people, they don't get married until they're in their 30s.
It's really up to personal preference.
Would you agree that our culture right now pushes girls to be basically promiscuous and have lots of sex?
I think society now just pushes women to have like to have their own choice because women traditionally not men have always had people like rules on saying what we can and cannot do kind of in terms of sex.
So now I think it's like we want to liberate women and I'm here for that.
Yeah, because I think that's that's kind of the point that Stephen was making is that we push that in the culture right now for girls to go out and find themselves, meaning have lots of sex.
And that is going to lead you to down the line, realize that that's not something that like you're probably going to regret it.
A lot of girls are regretting it.
And the good thing is that YouTube is now, there's more girls out there putting content out about this exact thing.
Girls that were feminists way back in their 20s, now they're in their 30s talking about how they wish that they hadn't done some of the things they did in the past.
And I think it's important that girls look at that and learn from it.
I think just for me personally, like if the right guy, I think this whole phenomenon for me is if and when the right guy comes around, like I'm ready and I'm open to it.
I'm not like waiting for some specific age for that.
I'm not waiting for some specific age for that to happen.
I'm also not trying to get married too early.
I'm not trying to get, yeah.
When do you want to get married?
I really don't have a specific, just if the right person comes along for me.
Let's say the right guy came along tomorrow and he was like, Lauren, you're amazing.
Like, let's go to the moment.
I mean, there's a lot of guys that are saying, Lauren, you're amazing.
Lauren, hold on.
Six months down the line, you know, you guys have really hit it off.
You've fallen in love and he's like perfect.
Okay, and he wants to marry you.
Would you do it?
I'm someone who does really like think with my heart a lot.
Yeah, if it was the right person and I really loved him, then yeah, I would.
I honestly would.
That's good to hear.
Yeah.
I wasn't expecting that.
I mean, for me, it's not more about like.
I was expecting you to say, I want my freedom until I'm like later in my 20s.
No, I think with my heart a lot.
Honestly, if someone came along tomorrow and we just like clicked, because that happens for me, someone will come along and I'm just like, oh my God, I need this person.
Yeah, I think if that were to happen, I would definitely be like, that's a person for me.
But right now, that's not happening.
So I'm not going to force it to happen just because the society is like, you should get married at this age.
Your reaction to the video?
Well, I think hookup culture is still perpetuated.
I mean, on my TikTok, I see all the time like people giving advice for, like guys you're hooking up with, like um, all this stuff about you know in college, like who you're hooking up with blah blah, blah.
But um yeah, I do agree with Lauren in that it's like a personal thing, like if you don't want to engage in that culture, you don't have to.
Um yeah, but I do think social media and society still pushes that in some ways.
I mentioned this last time I was on, but I have a very strong opinion that our modern culture is heavily promoting and pushing hookup culture and casual sex on younger girls, telling them it's empowering, telling them it's good for them, telling them it's how they're going to find themselves, even though I don't know what you're learning about yourself by having sex with a guy.
Tell me where, like, is it the pillow talk where you learn everything about yourself?
You can't be doing that in any like more meaningful way.
Do it!
Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to press that one.
Mike.
I did not mean to press that button.
My bad.
Sorry, keep going.
Keep going.
And then on another note about like, what if, you know, like, like doing this, like having fun, sleeping around until the right guy comes around.
Personally, I feel like I am not only like welcoming and attracting like the best guy possible by abstaining from hookup culture, but that is like a I don't see it as like I'm denying myself by not hooking up with or going out with guys who I know I'm just aren't, you know, aren't the type that I'm looking for.
It's more of like, I enjoy the fact that I feel like I'm rewarding my future partner and like my future husband and stuff by having my priorities in line and yeah, protecting my body and work.
Sarah, 99% of guys are going to really appreciate that.
Yes.
I mean, I hope so.
I mean, I'm just going off the impression that that's like, I think it was a lie to like tell girls that the ego boost you're getting from having sex with tens and tens of guys is worth just not just not only just like the STD birth control things you're, you know, like exposing yourself to pregnancy risk, but just, I just, yeah.
How did you get to this point?
Because a lot of girls, you know, like you just said, like guys will really listen to you if you say these things.
You know, we look for that.
So, but how did you get to that point?
That's a good question.
I feel, I definitely feel like I was lied to like when I was younger, lied to in the way of, it was, the pressure to like be a strong, independent woman by having casual sex was very strong, that that is the right way to do it.
That would be good for me in the long run.
I have no one.
I mean, I mean, my, my parents were never sort of strict about sex.
I never felt any family pressure.
I didn't grow up religious.
I'm religious now, but I didn't have that before to be compelling me towards some sort of, you know, route sexually.
I just sort of had to find it on my own.
But it was really just, I mean, it was a combination of just being self-reflective and asking myself, what am I getting out of this?
Because I feel like I'm not getting anything.
I think I deserve better.
Are your friends sharing the same beliefs as you?
Yeah, that's also a good question.
Something that I was going to say, because I'm a 21-year-old girl, you know, having the time of my life, like in my 20s, but I don't drink and do alcohol.
I mean, I don't, you know, drink and do drugs heavily.
I'm not like going out to frat parties every night.
I'm not, I don't engage in casual sex or like hookup culture.
And I would still say compared to my friends, I'm happier, I'm healthier, and I have, yeah, a more stable sense of like my self-worth and my priorities in line.
And I advocate to them every day, like all day, every day.
They'll be like, why is this guy?
Like, how do I, they'll be so fixated on how do I get this guy to take me seriously?
But all they want to do is meet guys at a club downtown or meet him at a frat party.
And yeah, I'm like, come on.
I don't know.
I feel like there's your, there's your hint.
So I found the video interesting, especially since, you know, I don't think your age is a excuse to have a certain type of behavior.
When I was 22, I was having a baby and I was having a family and I was working full-time.
So, you know, in those aspects, it's like there is a whole hookup culture that now that I'm in the dating world again, it's so hard to relate with.
It's so difficult to relate with these people because I obviously wanted the family at the age that everybody was at the club.
I was working full-time while they're working at restaurants and going to classes.
So did you want, you wanted a family at 22?
I did.
I've always wanted a family.
So you wanted to, like when you had your kid, you knew the guy you're having the kid with and you wanted it.
So the situation, I had just met him.
So I mean, the situation could have been better.
I wasn't on birth control.
How long after you met him did you get pregnant?
It was like three months.
It was really bad.
But I stayed with him for four years, right?
I committed to this person.
And when I got pregnant, I questioned as a mother, you know, since I didn't really know this person, am I willing to be a single mom if it didn't work out?
You know, am I willing to take that risk?
And so I did.
And so having a family was super important to me.
And I did feel like I had connected with the person.
I also feel to the other side of this, I was 22 and mentally immature, which is why I made the choices I did.
So what would you say to girls that are 22 right now?
I would say you have to sit down and make a list for yourself.
What do you want?
And how do you think you're going to get it there?
Like, you have it right on the head.
You know what you want.
You have your fixation.
You know, you're good.
What is so funny?
The comments.
Oh, the comments.
So, I mean, like, you have it together.
You know what you want, and you know how to get it there and what is going to, you know, ultimately give you the future that you want.
But I do feel like there are a lot of females that don't know what they want.
And so how else are they supposed to find that?
Especially if they don't have great examples around them.
And with the hookup culture being perpetuated and pushed on people the way that it is, we're, again, it goes back to the social conditioning of breaking up the family nucleus.
So we're socially conditioned.
We're socially conditioned to operate this way.
You asked a really good question there.
How else are women supposed to know what they want without, you know, and I'm filling in the blanks, experimenting, discovering themselves and playing the field, so on and so forth.
How else are women supposed to figure out what they want?
This is where I think, so I'm a Christian, and this is where I think godly men who are godly leaders in society come into play.
Because what you were describing, this whole story of how you can find fulfillment by sleeping with a bunch of guys in your 20s, this is a lie that society is selling women.
And a lot of women on the other side of this, they find themselves in their late 20s, early 30s, and all the guys that they want to be with want to be with younger women and they don't want to be with them.
And then these are the women that end up on antidepressants, single and childless in their 40s, right?
This is a lie in society, that that brings women fulfillment.
This is where I think godly men come into play.
It's our job as men to say that will not bring you fulfillment.
It's our job to hold ourselves to higher standards, not be fuckboys that are going to cheat on you guys and ruin your guys' lives in the process.
That's not good either.
I think it's our job to, you know, tell women, hey, that's not going to bring you fulfillment.
And also, when the right girl comes along, treat her right.
Don't be an alcoholic.
Don't knock her up after three months before if you guys, you know, before you know if you're right for one another.
I think raising the standards for men is really how we fix this.
I think that's detrimental.
You think that's important.
Like that is detrimental.
Like that is something that is completely necessary.
Yes.
Yeah.
This is so necessary.
I personally believe men raising our standards for who we are, being straightforward with women about whether or not we're going to use them, cheat on them, so on and so forth.
It's really imperative for us to do a better job.
And I think if we do a better job, I think women will follow because men are naturally leaders.
Exactly.
What?
Are you serious right now?
What are you laughing at?
You said men are naturally leaders.
Yeah.
Men are naturally leaders.
What's wrong with that?
Let's let her explain.
I honestly, like, no, I don't even want to go back and forth about this because that was a crazy statement.
That men are leaders?
Yeah.
But they are.
The Bible tells us.
Historically, they are.
I trust you're not a Christian.
No, I am a Christian, actually.
Do you believe what the Bible says?
No, I don't.
You're a Christian, but you don't believe what the Bible says.
Yeah, I honestly don't really fuck with you.
Let's just, for women who aren't religious, you can make this argument without making an argument from authority.
So, like, taking the religion out of it, you can still...
You could.
You could, absolutely.
I mean, so first, let me just say the Bible calls men to be the spiritual leaders of their households.
Okay.
But you're talking to someone who isn't even religious, so this is just a matter of time.
You just said you're a Christian.
You just said you're a Christian.
I'm a Christian, but I'm not religious.
Christian in name only.
Yeah, I was raised Christian, but I'm not religious.
Okay, so aside from religion, this is going to trigger so many feminists, and I'm okay with it.
Men, on average, are more stress-resilient than women are.
This is part of the reason why only men are in special operations, because only men can withstand the stress of going into the military, going into the harder units.
Would you guys agree that men on average, strong men, are more stress-resilient than women are?
I'm just, I don't even want to get into this.
I just feel like that comment made me laugh.
Yeah, I got to be honest.
It was just slightly phrased in a way.
That was a good idea.
You were triggered by men being aware of that.
No, I wasn't triggered.
It was just you.
I can see, like, when you were saying it, I could see why it was, I could tell it was about to, like, it was just a little, it was a little heavy on the left.
It was only because I didn't know what to do.
Do you not think that men should be leaders?
No, no, I thought it was great.
Do you think that if men held themselves to a higher standard and they were better leaders in society, that would change society?
I'm not opposing anything you were saying.
I was just going to add that I think it was more like you could have left some room For like women, they're also like leading the movement to like not women can.
Women absolutely can.
Women absolutely can.
The problem is, but I mean, yeah, it's great that what movement?
Just what movement are you talking about when you say that?
Oh, I don't know.
I'll start it.
I was just saying, like, um, that it sounded like you were applying it could only come from men.
But I'm assuming that leadership could also come from women as well.
You're not just that was, I think, just the impression that they got.
You're absolutely right.
It can come from women as well.
And that's what Steven Crowder was getting at in his clip.
He was saying, You guys are the gatekeepers.
So if you guys decided that you weren't going to sleep with a bunch of Chads who were going to use you, there wouldn't be Chads that were using you guys.
You know what I mean?
But the problem is, is that women want to sleep with Chads who end up using them.
So we have this culture that keeps on perpetuating.
I can't change what you guys are going to do.
All I can do is call other men up to the standard of not being Chads that use women constantly.
And I know that if as men we take accountability for that and we change that, that will change the culture.
Because I don't expect women to do that.
Women want to sleep with dudes.
Accountability.
I want to sleep with guys.
You're making a great point, too.
Because accountability is everything as well.
Because we need you to be held accountable.
Because it used to be that if you did that, if you slept around, did that, like that was publicly looked down upon.
And today it's not at all.
It's promoted.
That's great.
No, it's great that we could just do whatever we want.
It's great we can do whatever we want, just like men have always been able to do whatever they want.
Yeah, that's fine.
I mean, that's fine.
I mean, that's fine if that's what you want to do.
But when it comes in the context of a relationship, to make it work well, you're not going to want to do that.
You're going to probably regret it later on.
Are you talking about cheating?
No, I'm talking about sleeping around, being promiscuous, having lots of sexual partners.
In regards to just like in general, like in relationships?
Can you elaborate?
No, as a female, as a female.
Yeah, can you elaborate on that?
As a female, you shouldn't be sleeping around with a bunch of dudes.
If you do, if you do, I'm not saying you can't.
I'm not saying you can't.
You legally can do it.
You can do, I believe that a girl can do whatever she wants to do, but don't expect.
So like sex doesn't feel as good to a woman as it does to a man.
What?
No, that's not at all what I'm saying.
Why can't girls have sex with just a same people?
You guys want to.
You can do whatever you want, but men, most men have an issue with women who are promiscuous and who have been run through.
Why does that suck for men?
It doesn't suck for us at all because we can just find a woman that isn't promiscuous.
Okay, cool.
It's fine.
Well, so, I mean, this kind of touches into body counts.
So many men are extremely promiscuous.
Not so many, a small minority of men.
Small proportion just the ones that you want.
A lot of the guys you're talking to are the promiscuous guys because you're a hot girl here in Isla Vista talking to all the Chads, all the frat boys.
Guys you're talking to down in Cabo, these are the guys that are sleeping around with a lot of girls.
A lot of the guys that you aren't paying attention to aren't doing that at all.
Most men are invisible to women.
Like the dude who works at McDonald's is invisible to you.
All of the guys who aren't cheating on their girlfriends are invisible to Lauren.
And what's on McDonald's, too?
I saw a baddie working at Chipotle the other day.
Oh, come on.
I bet she's date a baddie.
Anyways, that's besides the point.
But that's a good point, too, that you're making about as men, like we, we're cool with that.
We're cool with that.
If you work at a fast food restaurant, but you're 18 to 20 years old, we're cool with that.
Like, girls wouldn't give the time of day to a guy that's working at Chipotle.
We're 18, 20, you're not cool with that.
No, no, but what I'm saying is that that can be way more attractive than a girl that's in her 30s and has an attorney.
Yeah, who's an attorney?
And girls don't seem to wrap their heads around that.
Like a girl who's 30 in her.
No, no, it's not.
A woman's career.
I don't want to date a high-power guy.
Well, okay, so a woman's career, a woman's ambition, a woman's money, it doesn't make you more attractive.
Whereas like a man who's hyper-successful, ambitious, he's a doctor, he has a prestigious career, he's an attorney, for example, or he's, say, a musician or whatever it may be.
I think a lot of women would say, oh, a guy who's a doctor is a real catch.
But men, we don't really, I guess it's a kind of okay bonus, like if you're making your own money, but like in some ways it can actually be a person who's a doctor is attractive.
She can be, I mean, she can be, the thing is, is that women don't share their resources the same way with men, the same way that men share their resources with women.
So also a female doctor, if a woman's a doctor, if she's not a doctor, she's busy.
It's also not going to make her any more or less attractive to me.
I mean, I would honestly prefer a wife who isn't super tied up in a stressful career.
That's the last thing I want for my wife.
Do you guys prefer or are okay with like the stay-at-home mom idea?
Are you like that?
Or are you like offended by it?
Do you think it's a freeloaded box?
It's the opposite of that.
No, we want that.
No, Tara, it's literally my goal to make enough money so that I can have my wife stop working, take care of our home, take care of our kids, and be a good partner to me.
That's literally my goal.
Like, that's like the most ideal thing.
I'm not even saying there's anything bad about that.
Like, that's totally your preference.
I may be different.
No, it's not.
You also said earlier in the conversation, you want a guy who's going to take good care of you.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
It's totally your preference.
I'm saying there's nothing bad about.
Isn't it your preference too?
What do you mean?
Don't you want that?
You said you want a guy who takes good care of you.
I want us to be equal.
Don't you want to be that?
I want to be equals.
Do you agree with that?
You would like prefer to work just as much as your husband as opposed to not working?
So you could be equal.
Yeah, I really like that's never, I feel like, been a big thing for me.
Okay, so you have two options.
One person work more than the other.
But you have two options.
have a guy who makes so much money that you would not have to work or a guy who's got a job a decent job probably around the same as you but you both have to work to provide for your family I think as long as I love him and like but okay which of the two would you prefer I don't have a preference.
You don't introduce kids into the equation, you'll definitely have a preference.
Wait, there is a lot more to consider.
I mean, maybe there's things you want to achieve career-wise.
I think that's fine, but I think, I mean, probably there's guys out there too that if a girl came along and was like, you can be a stay-at-home dad, and it wouldn't introduce.
The thing is, most women are not going to be attracted to that guy.
That's a different discussion.
I know, I've heard of people where it's like the woman is a doctor and the guy just literally stays at home.
That's rare.
No, I mean, most women feel so emasculated in a situation like that.
Yeah, exactly.
That's your preference.
My wife wears the pants.
She also pegs me when she gets home from work.
That's like how I imagine that.
But anyway, so that does exist.
It exists, but it's not.
It's not super rare.
It's rare.
And when it does exist, those are usually the relationships that they don't work out well.
The woman is going to be for sure controlling in that relationship.
Yeah.
Just quickly on this note, a guy who's a doctor would probably gladly date a woman who's a barista, but who's attractive and meets his certain metrics.
But I'm sure that guy will be controlling.
Not necessarily assumption.
But let me just finish the point.
But a woman who's a doctor, while yes, there are some outliers, they might date a guy who's a barista.
Most women who are doctors, most women who are, say, attorneys, you know, very successful, hyper-successful women, they're going to want to date a guy who's at least on their level or higher.
Yeah, and that's what the studies show.
Girls, the higher, the more money you make as a woman, the harder it is for you to find a life partner because girls always need, they strongly, strongly, strongly prefer someone who makes at least as much as them.
Yeah, if not higher.
Yes, so as a woman becomes more successful, the more money she makes, her actual pool of potential partners shrinks.
Whereas men, as they become more successful, their pool widens and widens and widens.
So, yeah.
I have a question.
Sure.
So do you guys believe in relationship roles?
Do you think that each gender plays a role in their relationship?
And what is that role?
You want to take that?
Really quick, we will answer that.
Let me just get through these last couple super chats here really quick and then because we've got a big one, so I just want to shout out Frank Cestacia.
That's a good question.
Frank Cestata.
Thank you for the big $25 super chat.
Hey, Brian, this is Frank, a new watcher.
Can't stop watching for like three weeks now.
Would like to see a Latina edition.
Ooh, voice crack, nice.
Or a Christian edition.
Well, if you tune in on the 27th, I believe we have our friend Grace in the chat.
I think she's going to be coming on, I believe.
Let's go.
Is that next Thursday?
Yeah, next Thursday.
Grace is coming on.
And then the Latina edition, stay tuned.
I believe Tuesday we got three Latinas coming.
Chola's coming back.
I shouldn't say that.
Well, whatever.
Terry, you said you're religious.
Are you a Christian?
I'm more Catholic than Christian.
But yeah, so I guess you should come for that episode on the 27th.
Sure.
We need to get some feisty girls.
Yeah, we should get some like ultra feminists for that one.
What is it?
What episode is it?
The Christian edition.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, we've got Gray Solikowski coming in.
She's one of my followers.
We've been trying to set this up for a while.
But yeah, Frank, thank you for the big $25 super chat.
Thank you.
I think this is your first one, man.
So really appreciate the support, man.
You're a fucking legend.
Thank you, Frank.
Appreciate you, Frank.
Thanks for supporting our boy.
Thank you, man.
Guys, I've been in the red for, I mean, I'm in the red.
So anyways, really, I genuinely appreciate when you guys super chat support, when you become members.
If we can get one member tonight, you know, hook it up.
When are you starting your OnlyFans to pay the bills, Brian?
Guys, if I don't get, like, if we don't get some more membership, some more super chats, like, I'm going to have to start an OnlyFans.
Kiki's going to have to peg me.
Like, it's going to be bad, guys.
It's going to be bad.
Please, guys, I don't want to be pegged.
Okay.
Dave on Jackson with the $10 soup chat.
Imagine saying men aren't leaders while some simultaneously arguing that women need to find themselves by getting Jesus Christ, bruv, which is Eric fixed that.
Eric!
I don't even know what's going on.
Uh-oh.
Might be your computer.
Hold on, hold on.
Let me go.
We're having technical difficulties, folks.
Going back to the gender roles thing, though.
What were you going to say about that?
Yeah, well, I mean, biblically speaking, men are called to be protectors for their families, providers for their families.
They're called to be the leaders for their families.
I think it makes the most sense from a role-based perspective and a complimentarian perspective if a man is being the provider and the protector and the leader for his family.
It's good for a woman to follow the man's lead.
It's good for a woman to be a good nurturer, caretaker for her husband and also for the kids.
Those are the roles I like.
I think that's how families work the best.
And I think when there's tension and friction and people don't want to accept those roles, both men and women, I think it causes family structures to break down.
And there's a lot of dudes, let me just say too, there's a lot of dudes that don't want to lead and they don't want to lead effectively.
And I think it causes women a lot of stress, you know?
You know what I'm saying?
I know exactly what you're saying.
Yep.
Yeah.
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Ladies, if you provide financial security, would you not want the man to make as much or more?
Can he slum?
No.
That's why it doesn't work for women when it comes to status because women want security.
Yep.
It's a fair point.
Good point, Jordan.
That's a good point.
Before we close out, I would be curious if we can get to your question.
Maybe we'll give another 10-15 minutes, which will invariably be.
That's a really good question.
I'm curious to hear what those two girls have to say.
Yeah, let me.
I think we've got one last Kanye West.
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I know that's not the real Kanye West, but.
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Okay, so go ahead with your, you had a question, right?
I did.
So my question was, do you believe in relationship roles?
And what do you think they should be?
So, you know, I think one of the issues that a lot of people are having right now in relationships is this sort of mentality, especially coming from girls, that they need to sort of compete with the guy, I think.
And there's competition.
And this is where the sort of idea of respect comes into play, which is more like we want girls that see how hard we work and how much we want to do to make it work with them.
And when we don't feel that they're doing that, it causes lots of tension and lots of competition.
So I tend to think that having, you know, roles sort of helps that.
What are the roles that you believe in?
Do you believe in roles?
Yeah, so I mean, I think that in general, I think that men going out and making the money, this is what women want in men is like, they want guys that earn lots of money, right?
And they want girls that, I mean, they want guys that work out and work hard on themselves.
So I think it's fair to say that they should have that role of going out and getting the bread, bringing it home.
But with that being said, if you're looking for that, you have to sort of play a more feminine role in the relationship and be able to fit that because that's what we need.
That pushes us further.
Like if we see that our girl is like giving us that support to go out, that's motivational.
That's motivational.
That pushes us to work harder.
Men will work really hard if we find a girl that's willing to support us and what we're doing.
Be our cheerleader.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
There's no better feeling than going out into the world, crushing, conquering as a man, and your woman just so deeply appreciating it.
I don't think women understand how that feels as a man.
It feels amazing.
It's the best feeling you can have.
Yeah.
Really is.
It makes it all worth it.
Yeah.
So I will also say from, I know you guys aren't Christians, but from a biblical perspective, the Bible tells us that a man who won't provide for his own family is worse than an unbeliever.
That's like the most dishonorable thing that a guy can do in God's eyes.
There's a lot of deadbeats out there that don't care about providing for their families.
And I think that's just like such a loser lame thing.
It's such an honorable thing to be the hero, the champion that goes out there, provides for your family, protects them, and is appreciated for that.
Yeah, I think we need more hero culture.
Yes.
There's not a lot of hero culture.
And I think about that all the time.
Like I'm looking for a Hercules, you know?
As you should.
Having that in culture inspires men and motivates men to be better and live up to their full potential by giving men sex whenever they want, by having the lowest standards possible for guys.
That's helping no one.
It's certainly not letting them live up to their potential.
Wanting to be the breadwinner, all of this.
None of this is just good for our culture.
It's a great thing to want men to be amazing, strong, brilliant, like providers, all of this.
That's a good thing.
You should be loving it.
I want to speak on your point, giving sex to men whatever they want.
I want to hear what you guys think.
Wait, wait, wait, real quick, before we go to them, it's a good question.
To what you were saying, and to go back to what we were talking about before, women being the gatekeepers of sex, as a woman, you should want a Hercules for a man.
I think every woman wants a Hercules for a man, a champion.
I think we do need to return to that hero culture, and I can tell you.
What's up?
Even women who are mid?
Even women who are mid can have their mid Hercules pros, okay?
Yeah, definitely.
But to what I was saying, as women, if you guys were like, yeah, no, I'm not going to have sex with a guy unless he's the most honorable Hercules who wants to take care of me and wants to be the man.
If you guys just didn't have sex with losers, it would call all men up to become that honorable Hercules hero champion.
And that, I so badly want to see a return to that.
What do you guys think about that?
Yeah?
Can we agree?
I think if you're not religious, you can go back to a primal state, right?
So you're going back to primal in nature.
The male species, you know, whatever this species is, does naturally take on that role.
Yep.
It doesn't matter.
Absolutely.
Go back to cavemen.
That's true.
Cavemen went out when you were home.
Yep.
Sorry to cut you off.
No, no, no, no, that's good.
So I'm curious to hear, because you made an interesting point, which is extremely rare to hear from girls about giving sex to their man whenever he wants it.
Well, I meant, sorry, I meant not in a relationship.
I meant like giving sex to guys who you meet at a bar.
He's like, barely even bought you a drink and you give sex.
I meant that kind of like giving sex.
Oh, okay.
Well, I wasn't thinking of like in a relationship.
Okay, let's talk about in a relationship.
Okay.
In a relationship.
When girls deny guys of sex.
Thoughts?
I mean, I don't really know.
I don't really know when that would, I guess, like.
Because that happens to many guys.
It's like your partner initiates and then they reject it.
And girls say, I'm not in the mood.
Like, what do you expect the guy to do in that situation?
Yeah, I mean, I know, ideally, you're with someone where that doesn't really happen.
You know, if you're starting to get like not in the mood with your partner, maybe, you know, you need to like amp up your energy levels, drink more maca powder or something, you know, get more sunlight.
I don't know.
But also, I mean, I don't, I'm not going to say like a woman should never, like, it's not that like a woman should never deny a guy, but just, I don't know, you know, you never, you always wanted to have a balance.
It's, it's really important that your partner doesn't feel like sexually invalidated.
Like, they initiate it.
It's important that they, yeah, I mean, it's a sensitive subject.
I'm a firm believer that if like once sex is out of the relationship, like the relationship's dead.
So like sex needs it to like survive.
And so, yeah, that's something you just like need to be paying attention to.
That's true.
I don't know if that answers it.
I haven't really thought much about that.
So that's all I have off like the top of my head.
Yeah, what's a common thing in relationships?
I think a lot of guys out there experience this where they don't, they're not able to have sex with their girl anymore.
So what do you guys think about it?
What about a guy not being able to have sex with their girlfriend?
Yeah, like the girl rejecting them.
In a relationship?
Yeah.
Is that cool or not?
I mean, I know in a relationship I've had, the guy wanted to have sex a lot and I didn't want to do that.
And it was like the need for him to have sex was attached to some other insecurity from a previous relationship that didn't even have anything to do with me.
So yeah, that's kind of my take on it.
Okay.
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You know what, though?
He dropped, was it two shows ago that he dropped the last show?
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Guys, if you want the fit check on Liv, it's there.
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Okay, so we're going to watch one video, and then we'll have one more final question, then we're going to wrap up.
I want to talk about this today just because we talk about it almost every time, but got to do it.
Okay, should body count matter?
Yes or no?
Oh.
I don't know.
I feel like I don't really have an opinion on that.
Okay, do you take issue with men caring about a woman's body count?
I feel like it really.
I don't know.
We'll come back to you.
Liv, go ahead.
We'll move it this way.
Okay.
For girls, I mean, as far as should body count matter, I'm always going to say the same thing.
And I think it's always going to be for a guy, it's his preference.
And for a girl, it's our preference as well.
So.
Okay.
Yeah.
I'm going to say no.
It shouldn't matter for either side.
When you take body count into consideration, you are then opening up your past, right?
And people get fixated on that.
And you can actually kill a relationship before it even starts, just with a body count.
I mean, you can't.
You can kill a relationship before it even starts.
You're definitely free to have that.
So your stance is body count should not matter.
No, exactly.
So that way you're not stuck in the past.
Sure.
I think body count can matter so much as it isn't like an indicator of someone's relationship with sex and relationships.
Yeah, but I guess there's always more to the picture.
Would you take an issue?
It's a helpful indicator.
Would you take an issue with a guy, for example, not wanting to date a woman who had a high body count?
No, I mean, I don't really take issue with that.
I would only take issue with things that are related to me.
Like, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't have that much strong opinions, though, in general of how other people may see making decisions.
So, yes or no, should body count matter?
I mean, yeah, to an extent.
If it's like 100, that's like red flag.
Okay.
I would say no.
I try to be as judgmental as possible as long as we're both keeping each other safe.
You mean as non-judgmental as possible?
Yes.
Gotcha.
As non-judgmental as possible.
And if it comes up, then like, yeah, it might be an issue, but if we're both being safe about it, I don't need to know unless it like affects us in the moment.
I think for me, the reason why my answer is more, I don't know, is because, to be honest, it's really not something I care or ask about.
So, and I find it pretty offensive when someone asks me about that.
You think it's offensive?
Yeah.
If someone were to ask what your body count is?
Yeah, I really just like, that's not something that I've personally, something I really care or like care to ask about.
So if a guy had slept with like 350 women, would you like to?
The other thing is, it's like I really just, I don't care to ask about that.
There's many other things I care about and their body counts, really not one of them.
In terms of asking, I do think it's poor taste.
Like if a guy's like, what's your body count?
Because for one, I don't think it's that like appropriate to like talk about your like past sex lives in like super detail if you're like just starting to see someone.
But also I don't know.
It's just not.
Yeah, I guess it's not a first date question.
If you're going to like open up a deal breaker for someone, like why not just get it out of the way?
If that's like a genuine person.
Yeah, I mean if a guy has to have a deal breaker, yeah, I mean that's important for like you to know too.
Also, it's not hard to tell.
It's not hard to tell when girls have high body counts.
It's very apparent.
That's one thing about girls when we go, yeah, when you go out on a date with a girl, it's very apparent.
Like if they're talking about clubbing and traveling and doing all this stuff.
I mean, that's just the reality.
That's the reality.
We don't go to the clubs and we don't sleep with people every time we go out.
So how is winding down and going to clubs indicative of a high school?
I'm saying you don't have to ask the question to kind of get an idea as a guy.
I mean, you just start picking it up.
One last thing, I also just sort of look like, I don't think negatively of a guy if he asks it, but it's more just like I associate it with younger guys.
I've never had any guy who was older that I was seeing ever ask, like, what's your body count?
Like, what's your body count?
I've only ever had it be younger guys.
So I don't know if that's just like older guys could tell that girls are uncomfortable when they ask.
But that's also just, so it's just in general a question I associate with younger guys.
I would never ask.
I would never ask.
I think it's very obvious.
I think it's obvious.
I feel like why ask if people can lie?
Girls are going to give it away.
Yeah.
That's true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, always trust people's actions over the words in the first place.
Okay.
So you two and you, body count shouldn't matter.
Thus, the question is, what is your body count?
If body count doesn't matter.
I would say that on a public.
But okay, you just said body count doesn't matter.
I think it doesn't matter.
Okay, hold on.
We'll come back to you too.
What's your body count?
So I'm not going to answer.
And it's because it goes back to my point that it dredges up history.
That's history.
It's no longer valid in my life.
It's no longer something that I am continuously seeking.
I'm not sleeping around.
I'm not, you know, obviously going out and having sex with every person I run into.
So I feel like the conversation should be more about what are your morals and what are you doing now versus what did you do when you were 18, 19, 20 years old?
You know.
So past shouldn't matter?
I don't think your past should matter.
I think what you're doing now and your mentality now and what you're moving forward with is what matters.
So you had previously date a guy who slept with prostitutes?
Yeah, I did and I found out after, but.
Did you not like it?
He wasn't doing it while I was with him.
So, I mean, it doesn't matter.
It's not my business.
It was in his past.
That's the difference between girls and guys.
Yeah, I'm not going to judge someone for a decision they made 10 years ago.
That's ridiculous.
And a lot of us do, though.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Did you want to continue with your question, Brian?
Yeah, I mean, would you date a guy who has a criminal history?
I have.
You have, but would.
Would I do it now?
Sure.
I mean, it's a red flag, so I would have to do a lot of digging.
They wouldn't be at the top of my prospect list.
But there's nothing in a guy's past that would preclude you from wanting to date him?
I mean, they can't commit murder.
They can't do anything with kids, and they can't be afraid of their own.
But it's in his past.
It's in his past, right?
Yeah, but you're talking about criminal acts versus sleeping around with women.
That's a very different conversation.
Yeah, but.
I feel like comparing sex to like murder is like a little outlandish.
Hurrah.
Okay, so do you guys want to answer the question?
About.
I definitely kind of agree with her.
If it's not affecting what's going on in the moment, I don't need to know your history.
Yeah.
I think when it comes to criminal backgrounds, for me, that kind of does maybe speak a little bit about that person's personality, values, morals.
And I mean.
Okay, so you don't want to share your body count.
You just said body count shouldn't matter.
Dating someone with a criminal.
We'll come back to that, but what's your body count?
Yeah, I'm not going to disclose that.
Okay, I mean, that's fine, but you said body count shouldn't matter.
What about you?
Yeah, I don't think it matters unless it's infecting what's going on.
It's terror.
It's terror, by the way.
She's like, how did you get it?
She doesn't have something I've been on.
Can I ask something I've been thought about?
I'm trying to figure out what is the male equivalent to making, since guys consider body count so, so, so important to girls, asking them to like say it on air, what is the equivalent of that?
Is it maybe asking guys on the show to say like exactly how much money they've made this past year and have their account?
Is that like an equivalent?
Because like just, I'm just trying to figure out what the equivalent is because you guys are the women.
What do you think?
Because I mean, you guys are telling us you care so much about body count, and then you know, Brian goes and like says it in front of everyone in the internet.
So what's something that we all think we care a lot about that we should ask them to share on air?
That's a good question.
Being completely honest about it.
You guys should find an answer.
I mean, one proposition I have is the money one because, you know, if we look at like psychology research, it shows that almost in every country in the world, men's top priority is, well, physical attractiveness.
Yeah.
And in some places that.
And then for women, it's their material resources.
So.
What was your guys' tax return last year?
So here's how we'll do this.
Whatever your guys' question is that you decide on, I'll answer it as long as it's a fair equivalent.
I mean, I don't care.
You guys don't.
I don't want to share mine.
I can't speak for them.
But if they answer it, I think it'd be fair for you guys to answer the body count question.
First.
I give you my word, I will answer it.
I mean, I'm not dying.
I don't need you guys to disclose your financial information.
So I don't care.
But I'm not going to make you do that.
Did you answer it on the last podcast?
I did, yeah.
So if you want, go watch that one.
Give it a like, another view.
And just throwing this out too, this is sort of common saying, though, but so women care about where a man's going, like his future, and men care about a woman's past.
Yeah, bingo.
That's it.
That's all that matters.
That's why we care.
You guys don't care about the past.
You know?
But your future about where the guy works.
What's his job?
What's his salary?
Has he been married before?
His past criminal history.
Does he have kids with other women?
Did he used to be, well, I'm not going to say it.
Hold on.
I got a list here.
You know, has he had 10 jobs in the last three years?
Has he been evicted from apartments?
His debt.
All these sorts of things.
Like, women probably have a vested interest in this as far as for a long-term partner.
So, I mean, I brought up the he used to have sex with prostitutes thing.
I mean, you answered that.
I don't know if you guys want to come in if you'd be okay dating a guy who used to sleep with escorts or prostitutes.
You don't need to look at her before you answer, by the way.
Just answer the question.
Please, you gotta speak into the microphone.
I just really don't know how that would even come up.
Forget about how it comes up.
It came up.
He slept with prostitutes.
Do you care?
I would have to say yes, I would care.
Yeah, I would care.
That might be a little gross, but.
And it's gross when women have a high body count.
Fair.
Thank you.
I just think it's gross when a guy sleeps with a prostitute personally, but I don't really care as much.
They both have a high body count.
That has nothing to do with it.
But if the prostitute sleeps with multiple guys, he's basically taking on her plus her body count.
And if a woman's a prostitute, like.
If a woman slept with a bunch of dudes, she's taking on the body counts of the guys.
Yeah.
No, I know.
It's double standard.
And vice versa.
I mean, the guys too.
Yeah.
I think it's totally justified if you guys care if a guy slept with prostitutes.
Absolutely.
Just like I think it's justified for us to care about body count.
I'm not saying it's not justified.
Imagine it.
I just thought about this real quick, but imagine if a guy was in love with like 20 different women.
Would that be a little bit of a red flag to you?
100%.
Because that's what you value, right?
Because that's what girls value.
You want him to love you and you only.
Right?
I think that's the equivalent a little bit.
Like if he has like 20 different kids, like 20 baby mamas or something.
Yeah.
Or here, maybe this is a good example.
A guy who is spending money, not sleeping with her, but spending money on another woman.
Let's say her OnlyFans.
He's a guy's body.
If you're alimony, then that should not be happening.
Word.
All right.
We got to pull up a take clip, guys.
All right.
Eric, can you pull up the take clip?
Just the body count one.
Or should we do that?
You know what's so attractive about younger women?
Because a lot of these dudes talk about fertility and looks and stuff.
I don't actually think it's that.
I think that in the modern world, in the days of old, right, you'd meet a woman, you get married, you'd be together, whatever.
In the modern world, if I meet a girl who's 33 and single, I know the amount of dick that's been through her before me is just simply unattractive.
I don't care how nice you are, but you're 33 years old.
How many men have fun?
If I got a 19-year-old girl, I might be your second or third man, right?
I'm going to be dude number fucking 29.
And all the trauma and heartbreak and bullshit they put you through, you're going to try and bring to my door?
Like, well, my last man cheat.
I don't give a fuck.
Like, I don't care.
Like, why is that my problem?
So if you pick up older women, you have to accept they've been on the carousel longer.
They've had more fucking rides, more spins.
I don't want that shit.
When I see a beautiful young woman, I know that she has a very low body count.
And also, no, but no, but the truth is, women's mentality is absolutely connected to sex.
If a woman sleeps with a bunch of men, it's harder to penetrate her mind and make her fall.
It is unattractive too.
And it's unattractive, isn't it?
But if she's had 30 dudes inside of her, is she really To think, you know what, this guy's so, so, so special, or she's gonna think, you know, like you talked to me, Real, I'll go get a new guy.
Whereas if a woman's only been with a few guys, she's much more likely to fall in love with you to be a better partner.
The likelihood of her falling completely in love with you and staying loyal to you and really believing you're the only man for her, after being through so much trauma and so many men and sleeping with so many dudes and having her heart broken and having those memories of her ex and all that crap she's been through, is far less likely than meeting a nice young, beautiful girl who hasn't been with many men and she goes.
You know what?
This is the guy I.
I like him.
Every woman who knows this and every man who watches this can be honest.
Women fall in love with the person.
They lose their virginity too, or their second or third guy.
They really remember them.
They really love them.
They're not any woman who's stuck with 50 dude.
She doesn't even remember who most of them are.
She doesn't care if a woman's stuck with a bunch of men before you.
She's less likely to stick it out through a difficult period in a relationship.
She's more likely to do things.
You know what?
New answers, new digging that's a pretty good answer and that's the truth.
Let me make something clear.
If I meet a beautiful 30 year old woman, i'm not saying I won't sleep with her.
That's pretty fucking old yeah 30.
I know what are you crazy?
I there's been times I was drunk.
Your immediate reaction to the video, go oh um, i'm thinking.
Is that why older men want younger girls?
Exactly yes yep, that's exactly it.
One of the reasons, anyways.
They're less jaded.
Less jaded, more fertile, less emotional baggage, lower body count.
All that more physically attractive yeah.
Your reaction to the video.
Oh okay yeah, I get that.
I mean I don't get that because I mean, to be honest, like i'm just not trying to argue right now, like I don't get that because i'm not arguing.
We love it.
We love it when you argue, am I argumentative or something?
No, we love it.
Argue, it's good.
We want you this is a safe space for you to argue.
You can argue with us argumentative.
I am um, but you're fine anyway yeah I, I mean, I guess, like i'm not a man and like I don't personally, like you're not.
No um, it's like guys can think how they want to think they're like oh, girls are so jaded and they have their high body counts when they're older.
Um, I don't know, I just really don't have anything to say on that.
Lauren was too busy reading the chat.
Yeah, she didn't even listen to the video.
Guys um okay, didn't even.
Do you want to give a reaction?
No okay, go ahead, i've I.
We saw another TATE one last when I was on, last time I was on, so that was that.
Had my thoughts on it.
But yeah fresh fresh fresh, fresh thoughts.
Okay um, based on what he said there um, did it make sense to you?
Do you disagree with it?
Yeah, I mean I guess it's not something i'd like necessarily heard before like preferring a younger girl because it means she's been with less guys.
Really I, I didn't really realize until like very recently how much guys care about um body count, and i'm assuming like other girls must not have either, because otherwise why would we have like young girls like thinking it's a flex to have a really high body count?
So I think like there's just such like it's strange where there's how there's so much like miscommunication between guys and girls.
What girls think guys Care about is just not on the point, like whatsoever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no kidding.
Yeah, like literally, like, no kidding.
I would say, Tara, I would say less than 15% of girls realize how much body count matters to guys.
If even.
Yeah.
And I think a lot of it has less to do with miscommunication and more just like how much social programming there is with like, yeah, you know, sleep through your children.
Yeah, because I'm like, who is?
Who exactly is telling like, where is this message coming from that girls are, and like it's empowering for girls to sleep with a lot of guys when it makes it harder to find a more valuable life partner and it makes it harder to find?
If girls, if the stereotype is girls always want a boyfriend, why is the culture encouraging them to do more and more of the literally the exact opposite way to find a boyfriend?
I'm great question.
I'm not sure where it's coming from, but all I know is that we need some more like female advocates out there.
Yes, just warning girls at least of like the possible cons of hookup culture will have.
You should be one of them.
You should be one of them.
I'll get that tick tock going.
I'll do.
Let's go also.
Uh, just Pearly things on youtube.
Highly recommend her.
Yeah, she's good yeah, she's great.
Your reaction to my reaction to the video?
Is that your first time seeing Andrew Tate, by the way?
Uh no, i've seen him before on instagram.
Would you date Andrew Tate?
No wait, real quick on this.
Would you date Andrew Tate?
No no, come on okay sorry well, not not for that, just for yeah like okay whatever, go ahead.
So there are a couple things in the video so I understand what he's saying about.
You know the body count and when they're younger they're less jaded.
I get all of those things.
The problem I had with what he said was that younger women will easier fall in love with you.
So essentially what he said there is, younger women are easier to manipulate.
Wow, that's one way to take it.
Take the worst possible way.
Well, you're talking to a 22 year old who dated an older guy.
He was 35.
Do you feel like he manipulated you?
Yeah, absolutely.
I feel like I was manipulated to think that hey, he's older, he has this stature, he wants these certain things.
He says he wants a family, like I do.
He says all these things right, and me 22, being immature, is like yeah, let's get on board, that's what I want too, and then he's not those things.
Yeah, that was fucked up for him to do that.
But there's a lot of guys that do do that, that date younger to manipulate, they do, and so that is a red flag for me from that video.
Is it my turn now?
Yes okay um, i've said it before.
I think that it is very um.
A lot of people do think that the younger you are, the less body count you have and the older you are, the more you've slept around.
But going back to what i've said in previous podcasts, hookup culture for somebody in their 30s back, when they were in their like 20s teens, was so much different than for us now, where you know, relationships now in my age range younger, early 20s teens is a lot less um,
normal now I would say like there's a lot more hookup culture within my age range than there is like serious, serious relationships, whereas people who are in their 30s now and were in their teens and 20s then, relationships were a lot more, you know, easy like they they had.
There's a lot more, so That plays into it.
And at the same time, it's like you could meet a woman in her 30s who has been married, had a high school sweetheart for years, and then just became recently single.
And then you can meet a 20-year-old, whatever, who has a body count higher than the woman who is 30, who's had years to rack up a body count.
So it really just comes into the background.
What's your main point?
Like, what's your main point with that?
Basically saying, like, just because a girl is younger and a woman is older doesn't mean that one's body count is going to be like, just because she's 30, she's going to have a huge body count.
But the thing is that typically, the older the girl, like when she reaches her 30s, typically they have higher body counts.
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
So if we were just to generally say, due to the, like, react to the video, generally, yes, what he is saying is true.
But if we were to really look into it, there's a lot more to it than I think it's rare, but I think it's possible when girls become in their 30s and then have lower body counts.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's possible.
Fair.
But I mean, I think Andrew Tate makes a great point because, you know, the more boyfriends that a girl has, the more sexual partners, like all of that's baggage.
And we don't want to deal with that.
Like, we don't want to deal with, you know, 10 plus different relationships and all the baggage that came with it.
We're looking for the girls that haven't experienced all that so that we can be the ones that, you know, she does really fall in love with and show her.
You know, we don't want to be the 10th or 20th dude that's with her.
Yeah, I mean, Andrew Tate's point was just generally why men prefer younger women.
That example gave one reason why, but also to your point, what you were saying, Liv, like, if you have a 20-year-old who has an insane amount of baggage versus, you know, if you're in your 30s and there's a woman with, she's only been with one guy, she has way less baggage, she's probably going to make a much better partner.
So, yeah, I mean, everybody's right, honestly.
Yeah.
On this side of the table.
Fuck that side of the table.
No, I'm just kidding.
Ammo Wemma with the $10 Super Chat.
Ladies, if your box disappeared, how would you keep a man in a relationship?
Should we just pull up, end on this, pull up the Patrice O'Neal?
It's basically the Patrice O'Neal thing.
Maybe before we let's wrap on the Patrice O'Neal thing, I want to give everyone final thoughts.
By the way, guys, if you want, get your last-minute super chats and we're about to wrap.
Anyone final thoughts, final question before we watch a video and wrap up?
Shout out to Rolo Tomasi.
Yeah, he's in the chat.
Shout out to him, Rolo.
He's been fantastic for the past like three years.
I think he's changing a lot of men's lives out there.
Yeah, I mean, I discovered him like six years ago.
Rollo, your book changed my life.
Thank you, bro.
We're going to try to get him on.
I've been trying.
Rolo, let's get you on the show.
Let's get you on.
But by the way, thank you for the Rolo sent me a very thoughtful, well, I don't know if it was depending on your definition of thoughtful, but he sent me a very in-depth kind of analysis, feedback, really, from my previous podcast, and it was very helpful.
So, Rolo, thank you very much.
Working on it, trying to get it together.
What did he say?
Is that him?
No, he's in the chat.
It's not him.
The rational male.
Yeah, he's in the chat.
What did he say feedback wise?
Was this with respect to the last podcast?
Yeah, I think with the girl, the chihuahua, or what, the poodle girl, who called me a white boy.
White boy.
What boy?
White boy.
How dare you have an opinion on this white boy?
I should have gone harder.
Like, looking back, I definitely have gotten a lot of people.
I literally, I was in the chat, and everybody was like, bro, you need to go to the studio right now and set her straight.
I literally almost got in my car and came down here, bro.
You should have.
You should have because, yeah, I was outnumbered.
But yeah, I regret not going harder.
But he basically gave me some feedback on a couple different things, but just some things for me to work on as far as my presentation, recommended getting a co-host.
So a couple other things too.
So I don't want to get too in-depth into it.
But some really good constructive criticism, good feedback.
So some stuff I'm working on.
Some stuff I kind of already had a sense of.
And definitely some new stuff though that he opened my eyes to.
So Rola, thank you, man.
Much appreciated.
White claws shake logic.
Oh, gosh.
So real.
Okay, so anybody, last chance, final thought or question?
No, I think I'm good for now.
I've got a good enough.
All right, so we're going to just to kind of address that super chat.
We're going to pull up one last video and we're going to wrap the show.
Eric, if you can pull up the Patrice Neal clip.
There you go.
This is such a good clip.
Let me ask you a question.
Here's a question.
Serious question.
Don't.
Don't read it.
Okay, ladies.
If you didn't have a vagina, like say it was a terrible train accident, right?
And the doctor was like, we have to remove your pussy right away.
Or you're going to die.
How would you keep your man past, you get a two-month guilty, I can't leave the bitch right away because you just lost a pussy in the train accident.
Can't just walk right out on him.
How would you keep your man past that if he didn't have a vagina?
Okay, answer the question real quick.
Lauren.
Lauren, go ahead.
Okay, no, go to Allie.
If you don't have a puss, how do you keep your man?
Is that the question?
Yeah.
Basically what he just said is the question.
She said use your mouth.
Wait, wait, wait.
Repeat it.
Use your mouth.
Okay.
Oh, my God.
Clever girl.
I was thinking more like long-term.
Like you can still have kids and stuff.
But yeah, so.
Okay, let's go to Lauren real quick.
Go ahead, Lauren.
I don't think vagina is everything.
Oh, wait, wait.
But just answer.
You got to just answer the question.
So how do you keep your man if you don't have a vagina?
Yes, yeah.
That's the question.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Answer.
Okay, at the end of the day, I think it doesn't come down just to sex.
Why does that?
Keep going, keep going, keep going.
Okay, I don't think it comes just down to sex.
I think if one person loves another person, that shouldn't be the only thing that matters.
Some people can't even have sex, for example.
So how you doing it?
How are you doing it?
How are you keeping him?
You have no vagina.
How are you doing it?
You know, I wouldn't know because I have one of those.
I get him that $5,000 sex goal.
This is where the dog comes in.
I've known people who have been in relationships and have never had sex because it's like, it's not possible for some reason.
It's possible.
Like to be a prolegic and not have sex.
But you are literally losing your vagina.
So like a train wreck, terrible train wreck.
Amtrak.
I think if the dog is there and you lose your vagina, it shouldn't affect the relationship.
And I don't think it would.
But what would you do?
What would you do differently?
I mean, I can't have sex.
Yeah, I wouldn't have sex.
Anything change in your behaviors?
Given the loss of the vagina, I guess I'd be turning to other methods.
More sexually yeah, but what about non-sexually?
Non-sexually?
I don't know if I would change it.
Non-sexually, hold on.
So what's your answer to his?
So my answer to his is that well one, there's more than one way to be physically intimate, but this is where the actual meat and potatoes of the relationship come in, where you have the partner, where you have that support person, where you have that cheerleader.
I think, at the end of the day, that's the most important over the sex.
The sex is definitely needed and there's other ways of intimacy, but at the end of the day, it's gonna come down to the type of partner you are.
It's a good based answer.
Yeah yeah, hit the nail on the head Kiki, Jesus Christ.
So basically, that's how we want.
We want, we want girls that that act like that but still have their pussy live.
Yeah, I feel like not only am I stuck in the corner, but I always have to follow up with a good answer and I don't have it.
No, you're fine.
Um sexually, sexually sextal, or maybe my mouth, probably my mouth.
Um, relationship wise, I mean, i'd probably just step it up, like whatever I, whatever I need to do better.
I talk to him, like look, now that sex is out of the equation and I know that frustration is gonna happen.
Like let me know now, like what I need to work on and i'll let you know, and maybe we can figure something out.
It's a very wholesome.
What if the guy didn't have a dick?
We didn't talk about that side of it.
It's over.
It's so over.
Okay um, we're gonna finish the clip.
And then would you be with a guy who didn't have a dick?
You know what?
I've never been presented with that situation, so I don't know.
Would you be with a guy who has a micropenis?
You know, i've never encountered a micro penis either, but when I do one day guess, then i'll.
Then i'll know.
Don't you fuckers learn anything in college?
All right, Mike Davis, thank you for the ten dollar soup chat.
Brian, I would be the perfect co-host for you, since a.
I'm an alpha male who never takes disrespect from women.
No offense yeah, i've dropped the ball for sure tons of times on this.
Uh b the?
These feminists cannot pull the white male card.
I'm busy as though.
Sorry, like I said dude, we can get you in a masquerade ball mask.
I have a V For Vendetta mask that you can wear.
You know the Guy Fox mask.
You can wear that.
I have a horse head if you want to wear that.
You know those like 2012, when it was like cool for a couple months.
Um uh, we'll get you a mask dude yeah, let me just say to Mike, you would absolutely kill it on this show as a co-host dude.
Yo Mike, you don't have to, you don't have to do a super chat, but would you be down to call in?
What do you think about that?
Let's get you to call in at least one time.
You know um, but thank you for the super chat man, much kill it.
I would absolutely listen to that.
That, that would be so funny.
Eric, can you go ahead and uh, play the rest of the?
Uh Patrice, let me ask you a question.
Oh, did it?
Oh, okay.
Wow nothing, you can talk, you can talk.
Sunk his dick, okay.
Mouth asshole okay, great.
Do you see what i'm saying now?
I've been getting pussy beam the whole show, right.
But I give women an opportunity to say, I want to make myself worth more.
But you just classified yourself as a series of holes.
But but you know, i'm i'm supposed to teach you special but you're just a bunch of holes to yourself No one said learn how to play Xbox, learn how to play pool, tell better stories, get another bitch that got a pussy to come on in, look, whatever.
Can we get some RIPs in the chat for the GOAT, Patrice O'Neil?
So, okay.
Any further reaction from the panel?
It's late, guys.
We're going to wrap up here.
Nothing?
Hmm?
It's hella funny.
Not to classify yourselves as a bunch of holes.
Great way to close the joke.
Okay.
Nothing.
Okay.
All right, guys.
Okay, I got something.
So, I mean, I think it goes back to, I think it goes back to, you know, the way that women think men perceive them, right?
We think that you guys perceive us as these sexualized things, objects.
And so that's what we think of when he says that, right?
The typical female is going to say, oh, yeah, well, I could just do this or, you know, what have you, because we have been trained to think that we are sexualized objects.
It's training?
It's like social conditioning, right?
So they're saying, they're telling us, you know, go out, sleep around, whatever.
Guys are doing it too, right?
That's the mentality.
Guys are doing it too.
You should do it.
Well, I think we objectify each other in various ways.
I mean, if women are sex objects, then men are success objects.
And I'm not saying that there's a difference.
I'm just saying that's where the answers come into play.
I mean, look, when I hear that question, I'm waiting for women to say I would be more attentive to him.
I would ask him what he needs help with.
I would, you know, look for ways that I could support him, right?
Like, that's what I want to hear.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
And I think a lot of other guys, obviously, they're curious, how would you pleasure me if you didn't have a pussy?
But like, that's the best answer is to say, you know, basically what you said, think about all the ways that you could support a man.
Like, that's the best answer to that question.
And that's what he was joking about.
A lot of women, and I don't think it's training.
I just think, you know, I think a lot of women don't realize that they bring more to the table than just their vagina or their mouth or whatever.
They devalue themselves, yes.
Also, I think that's just by training or conditioning.
I think conditioning is a part of it, but what's stopping women from realizing that they bring so much more to the table?
I also think the porn industry is terrible.
Yeah, I think that that's maybe contributing to what you're saying as well.
Absolutely.
I think porn is going to continue increasing in adoption.
So I think that it's really important that guys out there that feel addicted to porn or that are into that stuff, you know, try to get out of that habit because it's ruining their ability to actually approach women and talk to them in real life.
So actually, what do you guys think about porn?
I was going to ask you guys what you guys think about it because I feel like that would be like an I feel like most girls know, I mean, I'm pretty sure from porn of 25%, it's 25% girls, 75% guys.
So I think it's a terrible industry.
I think it's really subversive and damaging relationships.
I think it's way too accessible.
I think it's bad for society.
I think it fucks a lot of people up.
I think it's bad.
Yeah, I mean, it's terrible.
What do you think, Brian?
i watch porn so i don't want to be you're not wrong but i also don't want to be a hypocrite um I think, I mean, I wouldn't say I'm addicted to porn.
I rarely watch porn, maybe once or twice a month.
Here's a good question on the subject of porn.
What do you guys think about the OnlyFans phenomenon?
Good thing or bad thing for society?
I think it's just another example of, I don't know, society telling women that like you're sexual objects, but here, empower yourself, but you're your own sexual object.
Like that's still not okay.
I just like think there is a million and one different ways that women can add value to their communities and get paid for it accordingly that isn't sexual and with strangers.
Well, we need to get Ashley to her Ventura rendezvous.
So I'd love to continue this conversation.
But yeah, I'd love to continue the conversation, but we have run a little bit over.
So we're going to wrap up here.
Thank you for tuning in.
You could have been doing anything else, but you're here with me.
I appreciate that.
We will be live again Thursday at 7 p.m.
And thank you so much to all of you guys for coming on.