Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast coming to you live from Isla Vista, Santa Barbara County, California.
Every Tuesday and Thursday at 7 p.m. Pacific, I'm your host, Brian Atlas.
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Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
So please tell us your name, age, occupation, and or school major.
My name is Hannah.
I'm a student at UCSB.
I'm 19 and I work on campus.
Major?
Psych.
Hi, I'm Lauren.
I'm 20.
I'm a biopsych major at UCSV, and I'm currently a scribe for Santa Barbara Cottage.
And yeah.
I'm Jackie.
I'm 20.
I'm a communications and global studies double major and I work at the recreational center.
So it's basically UCSB's gym.
And I love my job.
So shout out everyone that works there.
Hi, guys.
My name is also Hannah.
I'm a student at UCSB.
I'm 19, and my major is econ and accounting.
Hi, my name is Jessica.
I also go to the University of California, Santa Barbara.
I'm 20, and my major is economics and accounting.
My name is Tanner.
I'm 26.
Full-time, I do executive protection.
Part-time, I'm an infantryman in the Army National Guard and own, as like Sidegig, my firearms training company.
And I go to school part-time online.
I'm majoring in just general education.
All right.
What's up, guys?
My name's Chase.
I'm 27 years old.
I'm a professional photographer and brand consultant, and I'm done with school.
Nice.
Okay.
We're going to go around again really quick.
Current relationship status and longest relationship you've ever been in, if you've had one.
I'm currently in a relationship, and I think my longest relationship was like a year or two, something like that.
Is it your current one?
No.
Okay.
Hi.
I'm in a relationship, and my longest one is probably my current one.
And it's been since February, like 2021, I would say.
So over a year?
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm currently single, but my longest relationship is, I think, like a year and three months, something like that.
Yeah.
Year and three months.
Okay, mine's not as long as that.
I'm currently single.
My longest relationship, I want to say around four or five months, something like that.
Also, currently single.
Let's go hot girl summer.
Longest relationship was a year.
A year and two months.
I'm in a relationship.
My longest has been two years.
I'm single, and my longest relationship has been a year and a half.
Okay.
Good to see you, Brian.
Oh, yeah.
I suppose I should answer.
Currently single, longest relationship was five years.
Not a marriage, though.
There was no kids or marriage or anything.
Okay, so just quickly a show of hands.
Which one?
It's you three that are single, right?
And then Chase, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
So four, yeah.
Got it.
So y'all said you were single.
How long have you been single?
Oh my gosh.
I think I've been single for like a year.
It feels like two years.
I'm going to say two years, but maybe like a year and nine months, something like that, but a while.
Yeah.
Let me see.
I had like a fling or like single from like a relationship relationship.
I'm going to re-ask the question of the time.
Okay.
When's the last time you've hooked up with someone?
Oh.
Gosh, well, that's direct.
Okay.
Maybe like three weeks ago, something like that.
So kind of recent.
Three weeks.
Maybe three weeks.
Maybe three weeks.
I mean, I haven't counted.
Three weeks, four weeks.
But I would say maybe three.
You'll never know.
Let's go with three weeks.
Okay, so how long have you been single and when was your most recent hookup?
Let me see.
Okay.
I've been single for, I think, like six months now.
And my most recent hookup was, I would say, four weeks ago.
Yeah, four weeks ago.
Yeah.
Last month was officially one year since I've been single.
My last hookup was four days ago.
Oh, yeah.
So you're keeping track of your, like the breakup anniversary?
Snapchat memories.
Okay.
I see.
Yeah.
I see.
Chase.
Yeah, I've been single for two years, a little over two years, and I have not, I have not done anything with a woman in the past two years.
Can you, you want to go into that a little bit?
Just clarify?
We got some new viewers.
Yeah, we do.
We do.
So for you guys and everybody else, I'm a Christian and I'm saving myself for my future wife.
Aw.
Yeah.
That's max.
But you weren't always that way.
I was not always that way.
Absolutely not.
Did you have a phase?
Yeah, I had a few phases.
I had a few phases.
My teenage years were I was an active boy and in college and stuff.
Yeah.
Okay.
Wow.
Any other questions, Brian?
Are any of you saving yourself for marriage?
No, Brian.
No, Brian.
We're active college girls at UCSB.
I know.
Wait, all of you go to UCSB?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Quick question on that.
So do you look down upon men who go to SBCC?
That's a yes.
No, no, it depends on the circumstance.
Hannah, why?
Did she say yes?
Yeah.
Yeah, we'll go around.
We'll go around.
I did one semester there.
I've had weird interactions with them.
Like, it's always been a little weird, from what I've noticed.
Like, every time somebody's from SBCC that I've interacted with at least is weird.
You're not the first girl to say that.
I've heard a number of UCSB girls say that.
Your take?
I've always had good experiences.
I mean, I don't know.
I feel like the only time I've talked to people who go to SBCC, they've been at like Trader Joe's.
And the Trader Joe's workers are always really cool.
So I don't know.
I have nothing bad to say about them.
I'm going to agree with Hannah on this one.
The few interactions that I've had with SBC students, SBCC students, they've been a little bit weird.
Okay, I don't want to be like mean.
Is this mean to say?
I just feel like, I don't know.
They're just like UCSB wannabes.
That's like mean.
But like, I don't know.
They've just been weird.
They've been odd in my opinion.
I don't know if I would say like UCSB wannabes.
Like I kind of think like SBCC students kind of like really good.
You know, they go to like community college at like a really amazing place and they get to like live in IV, which is like a college town, you know?
Like when I came to UCSB, all of the older students went and told me, they said that they kind of like come over here and don't respect IV as much as UCSB students because they don't like they're not kind of like from here.
They don't like go to school here.
So like coming to UCSB, I came with like that perception.
I've definitely had like you know both iffy and also like positive experience of SBCC students.
But like I feel like that's just with anyone.
But coming in, like there is a negative stereotype of people from SBCC, unfortunately.
Sorry.
I actually know a lot of guys from SBCC and I feel like for me, the reason why like they're looked down upon is because a lot of the time with the people that I've met, they'll come to SBCC just to party.
And like to me, and me personally, that's like, I mean, we all go to UCSB to party, like we all party, but that's just from the people that I've met.
That's the reason why they're here.
But I actually know a really good group of guys from SBCC.
They're smart.
I mean, they like to have fun.
But in terms of starting a relationship with someone, if they're here just to party, then that's kind of a red flag in my eyes.
Can I say something on that?
Of course, go ahead, Chase.
So I went to Santa Barbara City College for a couple years before I transferred.
Oh, no.
Chase, I apologize.
I don't take anything you said to offense.
It's fine.
Okay.
I went there for like two years before I transferred to a photography school.
And like my roommates and I, we were like very on top of our studies.
Like I really wanted to transfer to UCSB at first.
But I lived at a dorm complex here in IV called Tropicana Gardens.
Oh yeah.
And like my observation was like probably 65 to 70 percent of the dudes that were there like were only here to party.
The majority of them failed like most of their classes their freshman year and then like didn't go back a second year.
So you're probably meeting a bunch of boys like that.
Imagine going to a community college and failing out.
I know.
So I have a quick question on that.
Was that like the people who like failed and stuff?
Were they like from Santa Barbara Community College or like was the majority from there like UCSB students?
All from SBCC.
SBCC.
All of them were.
So like kind of like what Jess was saying, her perception was like a little bit right, like correct.
Like that, you know, majority people come here to party because it's IV.
Yeah, 100%.
A lot of people came here just to party and like didn't pay attention to their classes at all and then like had to leave because they didn't pass their classes.
Yeah, makes sense.
That's like a lot of kids at City College.
So it really is.
So I want to ask, because UCSB, Isla Vista, it's very much a party school.
Do you think that there's a hookup culture in this area?
Yeah, definitely.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it's pretty bad.
There's a lot.
There's a lot of like, it's just so normalized.
Everybody thinks that it's normal, and so everybody does it.
So yeah, I agree.
There's like a huge hookup culture here.
There's no denying it.
And like thoughts on the hookup culture.
Is it a good thing?
Should people just be free to do whatever they want?
Do you think it's maybe bad that people are deprioritizing long-term serious relationships?
What are your thoughts?
And I don't know if you want to come back on this or you kind of got your.
I mean, I think that it's damaging for people's like mental culture.
I don't think that hookup culture is necessarily a good thing.
I think that it's not good for men or women.
Like it's bad on both parties.
Oh, is it my turn?
Or did you want to come in?
I thought you kind of got your piece, but.
Oh, I don't know.
I've never participated in it because I've been pretty much dating someone like all like the whole time I've been in IV.
But I think it's like all right, as long as like, both people agree like that's what they want.
I feel like, coming into UCSB like as a freshman, it's like really fun because like that's what like everyone's like oh, like college experience, like hookups, like it's fun at first but then it just kind of gets old because I feel like people just don't get out of that and like people just don't.
It just seems, at least at UCSB or in Isla Vista, like relationships are not really a thing here, at least from what I've seen.
So I personally do not like it and I am kind of done participating in it.
Um, but that's just my opinion.
UCSB is heavily hookup culture.
Yeah yeah, kind of like on that.
I feel like what ends up happening is that I think like maybe for both, like girls and I mean I can't comment on guys, but like for girls too you go in and you think that you know, you know UCSB is like a big hookup culture.
So then you're not really sure, like if you get involved with someone, what they think.
So then you get a lot of more like situationships or something like that, and it becomes like very confusing.
And if it's like mutual, it's fine, but going and finding out like what the other person wants, like it can be a very, very confusing area and, like you know, kind of like you were commenting on, like it's definitely like can be fun at first, but I feel like that's kind of like you know the parties at UCSB, like you go to frat parties and it's fun at first and then eventually it's just like, oh, this is like not really fulfilling.
And I definitely think that you have that at UCSB where eventually it's just not as fulfilling as like a relationship would be.
I think with hookup culture, what people don't realize is IV is small and 99% of the time if you're hooking up with someone, they have hooked up with one of your friends, and I agree with all these girls.
I think hookup culture is fun and fresh for a good time, but it definitely gets old and I don't know.
It really depends on communication and what you want and what you get out of it, because no one has to participate in hookup culture, but it gets a little tiring at first.
And yeah, ten are your thoughts.
Yeah, I mean hookup culture is definitely alive and well in Santa Barbara.
And then you know it's kind of like dating here is most like you know ALA Vista women and you know UCSB women and whatnot and it's you know I've had my share of it and it's for sure there's nothing casual about casual sex.
Like it definitely takes a little part of your soul every time you do it.
It's a lot of people think it's like liberating and fun and everything, but just like having some like I don't know, like 22 year old, like senior frat dude, that's just like a douchebag fucking, like rail you out, like you're not gonna get anything from that.
Like it's, it's awful, it's gonna take some of your soul every time you do it.
So it's a good point.
Yeah, I uh.
So I didn't become a Christian until my sophomore year of college.
So when I went into college as a freshman I was like very excited to play the field, so to speak, and I realized by the end of my freshman year like hookup culture is very like empty.
At the end of my freshman year I fell like madly in love with a girl and we had like a very deep relationship and We ended up breaking up later that summer, after the freshman year, because she had to move back home to another country.
And when I got back to my sophomore year here, like I had like no interest in hookup culture at all.
Like once you've had something really deep that's like really meaningful, like casually hooking up with someone, I don't know, to me, like it's just not interesting, you know?
So, and I think it is, you know, I talked about this in the last podcast.
I think it is damaging for people.
Like, people get really hurt very easily, you know?
Like, kind of what you were talking about with like situationships.
Like, I don't know, I've just seen a lot of people get hurt, and that's a bummer, you know?
Yeah.
What do you think, Brian?
Well, I'm going to share my thoughts a little bit on this a bit after I get through a couple questions.
But overall, I would say I don't think hookup culture is a good thing.
I think people should be free to do whatever they want, but I don't know.
I don't think it's good.
I don't think it's good.
The nuclear family.
Okay.
So, amen.
Base.
Super bass.
Saving the West.
One meme at a time.
There you go.
Keep those red pills coming, lads.
So, what is, sort of on the topic of hookup culture, what is a fuckboy?
I want you guys to define it for me because there's different definitions.
So go ahead.
Me first.
Oh, my God.
I feel like Jackie would have a really good definition.
Oh, thank you.
Thank you.
Okay, while we do this, Jackie, you come on in and then we'll.
Sounds good.
I would say a fuckboy would be someone that doesn't really have any regard towards the person that they're, I guess you could say, like fucking with, I guess.
Like, they just don't really, they don't really have regards towards how the other person is feeling, and they're just kind of in it just kind of for the like initial pleasure and then just kind of moving on.
So I would just say it's someone, I mean, it's not really, it's kind of a derogatory term, but I would say there are people in Isla Vista that you can define as fuckboys and also people that kind of have, you know, casual sex very, very often is do you guys feel like you know a lot of girls who have been used and hurt by fuckboys?
Absolutely.
Oh, also to add on that one.
Oh, sorry.
No, you go ahead.
No.
Are you sure?
Okay.
Go ahead.
Okay.
I would say also, I've noticed that some, like, I guess you could say fuckboys, like, kind of use emotion as like a, as kind of like a reel.
So they like reel a girl in with emotion and then they'll just like get what they want and then they'll just, they'll just leave.
So I think that's kind of malicious.
It's like they like emotionally manipulate girls for precisely that.
Yeah.
There's a lot of guys that do that.
That's fucked up.
Yeah.
So do any of the girls, other girls want to come in on defining a fuckboy?
Anybody?
Can you guys say what years you are in college, like sophomores, juniors?
Yeah, who wants to start?
Just start with her and go around.
I'm a third year.
Okay.
I'm also a third year.
Third year.
Yeah, third year too.
Third year.
And all you guys are under 21, right?
Yes.
Unfortunately.
Sadly.
Honestly, as far as just the first few questions where it just comes to the casual sex stuff, I'm very surprised at your guys' answers, honestly.
Just from my experience of dating mostly in Santa Barbara and UCSB women, that stuff I was very, very surprised.
Did you assume we were older?
No, no, I assume that you guys were all within the ages of probably 19 to like 21 or something like that.
You know, UCSB age.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tanner, just say, what were you assuming?
Yeah.
I was assuming like when Chase and I were on here like last time, they were like totally liberated.
Like, hey, go do whatever you want.
Like, get railed out by as many people as you want.
It doesn't matter.
Like, it's just totally open and honest about it.
Like, no shame.
Totally different panel of women, completely.
So.
We're here.
Can I add a comment on that?
I think I've seen a lot of girls get really hurt in terms of how guys speak about women.
A lot of times when a girl will hook up with a guy and say like, let's say they get attached, guys will use that to their advantage to look cool.
Not every guy, of course, not generalizing.
But I have heard a lot of guys talk about she's obsessed with me just because she wants to hook up another time.
Or if a girl wants something more than just hooking up, It's almost a red flag in a girl.
And I've only witnessed that in Isla Vista.
Everywhere else, like my hometown, any other city, I've never seen guys talk about girls like that.
Wait, how specifically, can you give us an example?
How specifically are they talking?
Oh, in terms of what?
Well, you mentioned that something about you dislike the way guys talk about girls.
Can you give us an example?
Yeah.
Just let's say, okay, there's a guy hooking up with a girl.
The girl just wants to casually hook up, not necessarily settle down or anything.
He goes and tells his guy friends, she's obsessed with me.
She wants to keep hooking up with me.
She's going to parties just to like find me, stuff like that.
And seeing it is somewhat of a red flag, even though she just has genuine interest in him.
Is this first-hand experience?
Oh.
First-hand experience for some of my best friends.
Okay.
Yeah, very common.
Okay.
So when you say it's like kind of a red flag for these guys, is it the kind of thing where it makes them pull away from the girls?
I've seen multiple of my guy friends cut girls off completely because she wants to consistently hook up.
Not even because they want a relationship, just because they want to consistently hook up and things get awkward.
Right.
Can I ask you a question here?
That's interesting.
Is this like obsession, so to speak, or infatuation with guys?
Do you see this developing in girls after they have sex with the guys or is this kind of thing happening before they have sex with them too?
After.
Yep.
Yeah.
Yep.
You know what I mean?
Of course.
Of course.
Do you guys think women fall in love with guys way quicker after they've had sex with them?
Like, do you guys notice yourselves developing feelings for guys very quickly after you guys have had sex?
No.
So the bonding hormone?
I feel like it can go either way.
It's oxytocin.
And women release, I think it's like three times more oxytocin than men do when they have sex.
I didn't know that.
That's why we were saying like last night, the statistical data saying like, hey, they're more likely to get a divorce, be unhappy in a marriage the more partners that they have.
That's like one reason because they're releasing more oxytocin and they can't release as much oxytocin the more and more that they sleep with somebody casually.
So that's what I'm saying.
There's nothing casual about casual sex.
It's always going to take a little bit of you.
Amen, bro.
I have to say, even if it was like... I kind of disagree with you a little bit, Tanner.
Let's hear it.
I know some ladies.
They be fucking.
They don't.
They don't give a fuck.
They'll hook up with a guy next.
Boom, on to the next one.
Slept with 100 dudes.
Don't care.
But I think I do agree with you that it's a bit more for women.
Like they'll bond a bit more, more likely to from sex.
With like that too, when you went and said, like, you know, girls, like you've had that experience, or like you've seen girls do that, I mean, I've seen a lot of guys do that.
Like, I think it goes both ways, you know?
From like, you know, go and hook up with a lot of guys or like go and have sex with one and just like move on to the other.
Like it goes both ways.
Like guys do it too.
And I think like from not like personal experience, but from like a lot of friends, the girls who I know who do that, it's because they've become really, or in the past, they've had an experience where they actually did get really attached to someone and they were heartbroken because, you know, the guy fucked over, like the fucked up, or like, you know, it didn't end well.
And because of that, they said, you know, it kind of goes back to that click that you said, like when you find that click, like it's very like suddenly hookups don't become fulfilling, but sometimes you just get like you click with someone, you know?
What's the click?
Like you just feel so, it's difficult to explain, but like articulate it.
You feel like so connected with someone that you're like, oh, this is what it means to be in love.
You know, this is like who I want to spend, you know, this is what it means, like the movies, you know, like this is like what it means to fall in love and who I want.
This is something that can occur very early on.
And you use the word in love.
Yeah.
So that's kind of what it kind of goes back to, like, you know, maybe girls like feeling attached or like, you know, even guys, like from my, from, you know, some experiences, like, if you feel like really attached to someone and then maybe you've had like a bad experience with them and time passes on, you're like, oh, this is, I'm not going to be able to get back what I found in the past.
And that fear kind of drives people to maybe like hooking up or like, you know, just because they think that they're not going to be able to re-experience what they have already experienced.
That's a good idea.
If that makes sense.
Yeah, that does.
Do you guys see like girls that you know, like if let's say they get fucked over in a relationship and they're with a they're with a fuckboy, he uses them and they were like really attached to him and then they get burned.
Do you notice them like getting over that by getting under somebody else pretty quickly?
Does that happen a lot?
Yes.
I think also that's like a, you know, that's also, I think that's very common at UCSB and you could see like a lot of like a lot of people encourage that too.
Like maybe it goes back to like, you know, the UCSB like, you know, hookup culture and stuff, but that is very common.
Like if you do feel attached, then usually the immediate kind of like the route that you go, the path that you go is, okay, let's go and hook up and let's try to forget about someone that way.
But eventually like I feel like what ends up happening is you go down that road of like, you know, hot girl summer, like, you know, the hoe phase.
And then you find out in the end, oh, this actually isn't really getting me anywhere.
Like I'm not being fulfilled this way.
I mean, honestly, like the best way to negate all that kind of like heartache is just like don't sleep with people right away.
I mean, literally, that's it because one guy might be super motivated to like be like, okay, I'm going to take you on a couple dates or do whatever.
I can't do a couple times.
If they walk away after like three or four times just because they're not getting laid and like make those moves and whatnot, the best way to negate like all that is just like don't sleep with them and be like, hey, like straight up and forward, like what are you looking for?
What do you want?
Where do you see yourself in the future?
Like that's the way to do it.
And if they walk away, it might seem like a lot of guys are going to be blowing you off and whatnot.
But like, hey, good.
You know?
And I definitely agree with that.
But, you know, it kind of goes back to like the UCSB, like the culture as a whole.
Like you go and you have like a lot of, sometimes I would even say maybe pressure too to go and like start like engaging that hookup culture, like especially after you're heartbroken.
And sometimes it can be like, you know, maybe peer pressure too.
And that is true.
You know, it definitely is a solution.
It's so obvious.
And yet, you know, you are who you surround yourself with.
And if we're in this culture, sometimes maybe you feel that pressure to act a certain way.
And then you think too, because so many people have done it, oh, this will help me out, you know?
So, you know, there's a lot of dudes, like a lot of guys in Santa Barbara.
There's not a lot of men.
And I will tell you, at least looking at, at least from like the, Chase and I, we talk about this like all the time.
I'm telling you guys right now, we can change culture.
Like one person at a time, our attitudes, our actions, we can absolutely change culture.
Like it is culture.
It is up to us to do that.
I have a question with you saying that.
How would you think would be the best way to do that?
To change the culture?
You guys, you know, you guys are men, right?
I got something for this.
Please.
Do you guys know who Andrew Tate is?
Oh, my God.
Oh, yes.
Oh, yes.
Mr. Speaker on the internet.
Top G. Andrew Tate.
His recommendation, his suggestion.
I don't know if it's the right move.
He said the way to fix all the world's problems.
His words, not mine.
Is put a woman's body count on her forehead and that'll fix everything.
Thank you so much.
That was so helpful.
That was so helpful.
So I'm going to open it up to you guys.
Do you think that that would fix a lot of the problems?
I would like to comment on this with guys too, because there's a lot of guys that will have their ho phase too.
I think just because someone had a ho phase in college doesn't mean that they aren't worth loving when they're in that period later in life.
And I think Andrew Tate is referring to people in college and younger people when looking for people to hook up with or people to get in a relationship with.
But if you take his claim towards just all women in general, everyone has those periods in their life, you know?
Not everyone.
Not everyone.
Yeah, you're correct.
Like, I should not generalize, but a lot of people have those times in their life.
And I don't think men or women should be judged for that.
So, I mean, I don't know.
It depends on the person, too.
Like, if you're not okay with it, then you're not meant to, like, talk to that person.
And then you find someone that, you know, matches your ideals a little bit more.
Before I have you guys come in, I just want to go around the panel on that.
So do you think that that would solve all the world's problems if we put the body count on the floor?
Not my word.
That's Andrew Tate's suggestion.
You guys know he got banned.
So maybe he could be wrong.
He got, yeah, got canceled.
He got everything.
So thoughts on that.
Go ahead.
Yeah, I think that's completely superficial and not important when you're talking to people.
I think that body count's a social construct in general.
I don't think it's productive.
Body counts a social construct.
Yeah, I think that people put a lot of social importance on it.
And when it's, it's, to me, and I think to a lot of other people, it's not important.
Like, it doesn't, it doesn't matter.
I agree with her.
We had a conversation like this when we were driving to a concert.
And I agree.
I think that, like, body count, it's interesting how it refers to like how many people you've had sex with, not like how many times you've had sex.
Why is that?
Because, like, I don't know.
One body is one body, right?
Yeah, I mean, like, someone could have sex like seven times and with like seven different people and their body count would be seven.
Whereas like someone could have sex like a hundred times with like one person and like in societal eyes, it still deems them like less respectable.
I just want to say that.
Well, the first, let me ask you, let me ask you a question.
Let me ask you a question.
Let's say you have two people, right?
Both of them have had sex a thousand times.
One of those people has had sex a thousand times with one person.
The other person has had sex a thousand times with 300 total different people.
Do you think there's going to be differences in the way those two people develop as people because of how many people they've had sex with?
Like, do you think the person who's had sex with one person a thousand times versus 300 different people, that might change the way that they grow and develop and look at the world?
Or is it the same?
I think it depends on like a lot of different things.
Like, I don't know, like it depends a lot on like your relationship status.
Like, what's your relationship like?
And, like, also, like, what the person wants to do and like the context with it.
But yeah, I don't think that like it's something that people should be like judged for.
We're not talking about judgment here.
Like, so the reason why I asked you that question is because I think if somebody's had sex with 300 different people, the way that they approach relationships, the way that they approach trusting other people, their ability to bond with other people, I think is going to be like severely affected.
Versus if you've only ever had sex with one person, like if you've only ever had sex with one person and they've been faithful to you their whole life, like you're probably going to have a very solid relationship with them.
But if you've been with 300 different people, you're probably going to have a lot of baggage, probably a lot of emotional trauma potentially.
You might not look at sex as like a very intimate thing.
You know, like it, I don't know, it just like loses its like sacredness to me.
You know, I think it would really change a person a lot.
I want to open it back up to the question I was previously asking.
If you want to.
Yeah.
So you want to respond to Chis.
Oh, no, that's okay.
That's good.
I think it's a good point.
Yeah, I have nothing to say.
Okay, well, if we're talking about body count.
On the forehead.
On the forehead.
Is that the solution the world needs?
Maybe to Andrew Tate, yes.
But to the rest of society, I feel like it's definitely a no.
I don't think that everybody should know how many people that you've slept with.
I feel like that's kind of your personal information and for you and you only, right?
I mean, unless you'd like to share it, then obviously that's great, right?
If a guy asked you your body count, like a potential romantic partner, would you refuse to answer that question?
I think it depends on the relationship that you have with that person.
I mean, if it's just like someone that you're going to hook up with and they ask you, well, what's your body count?
To me, that's a little bit disrespectful because it's like, well, I mean, if it's like established that we're just hooking up like once kind of thing, it's like, why are you asking?
But if it's someone that you're kind of looking to start a really serious relationship with, I think it's a valid question.
I think that's like a piece of information that maybe they should know.
So to answer your question, no.
I don't think it's a good solution.
I would definitely agree with that.
I don't think it's the best solution.
I think what it ended up doing is it'd lead people to kind of like be judged before you actually get to know them.
Like I definitely came to UCSB with like, for example, a perception of let's say frat guys.
Like all they want to go and do is like hook up with people.
They don't really want a genuine relationship.
They're not like genuine or down to earth.
And it actually wasn't until like recently that I found out like, oh, that's actually not true.
And because I came in with like that initial perception, it definitely affected how I treated other people or how I, you know, perceive different people and how I acted with them.
So I think that really if you go and get to know a person without kind of just like initially judging them, especially based off of the body count, it can maybe help you form like maybe a relationship that's a little bit deeper.
Obviously, like eventually like it would be good to know, but it does depend on like what you are looking for in a person.
If you are looking for a relationship, then I think it's a very like, you know, a question that obviously can go and come up.
But like for the initial, initially just knowing like right there on your forehead, I think it would just end up causing like a lot of prejudice.
Yeah.
I don't think it's the solution.
I don't think it would solve all the world's problems.
I personally think.
I think communication is the solution.
But if someone asked me, I disagree with what she said over there.
If someone asked me what my body count is, I would tell them.
I mean, if they react poorly to it, then I'm not going to hook up with them.
You know, that's, I feel like that's a huge red flag, but I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of.
I mean, I've done what I've done, and there's no point in like trying to hide that or pretend that it is something bad.
I think it'd be beneficial.
I think that if people were to say, if they're just looking for somebody to hook up with, and they're like, oh, like you and me, we're the same.
Or if people were looking for somebody that's a little bit more stable and something more serious, they could immediately tell that.
And it would save a lot of time.
But I have a question.
Can I follow up on that?
So you went and said, if you're looking to hook up, so like I think maybe like, you know, the body count versus someone who's looking to hook up is different.
Because for example, you were saying, Chase, that you were a different person freshman year.
So maybe your body count's like really high, but now you're a different person.
So if you just went and had like that number on your forehead, they're going to perceive you or judge you based off of your past actions and not based off your actions today.
So maybe that's like, obviously, it would be really simple.
You know, it's kind of like if every girl and guy like got introduced and a guy knew, oh, she's into me because you said, oh, I'm into you.
Why don't we like start that instead of maybe playing them?
Obviously, that would be make a, you know, be really helpful for everyone.
So is that kind of what you mean, maybe the body count or kind of like going and talking to them and saying, hey, are you just in it to hook up?
Or do you actually maybe want to start something a little bit more serious?
I mean, part of it is like atonement, you know, for like what you've done, but then also it could just be someone they like they see it.
And then for somebody, that's just like hard no.
And that's just that.
For somebody, they might be like, hey, you might have had some kind of phase, might have done something, but I can get over that.
I can talk to you.
I can like you as a person.
Get over that.
But I mean, for some people, they're going to be able to do that.
For some people, they're not going to be able to.
And for them, then that's cut and dry right there.
If somebody wants to make that assumption and be like, absolutely not, like right there, no, then that's on them.
If somebody wants to be like, hey, this could still be a good person, whatnot, then, you know, that's on them.
Yeah, so before I answer that question, Brian, can I ask you to flesh out why Andrew Tate thinks that putting body counts on people's foreheads would solve all the world's problems?
You know what?
I don't recall precisely his reasoning.
I just remember the quip that he made.
And I don't want to misspeak for him.
Well, I vaguely recall hearing a clip where he was talking about this.
And basically it came down to the more people that you have sex with in your lifetime, like we talked about in the last episode that we did.
By the way, can I just ask you, do you think we should, because we've talked about body counts so much, do you think we should try to cover tonight?
Do you think we should try to cover some other topics?
Yeah, I think that's a good idea.
Like not stay on it too long.
I think we fixated on it for a while last year.
Yeah.
And I think there's a lot of other topics that we can cover.
So we'll touch it on it a bit, but then we'll try to move on.
Yeah, so from what I understand, Andrew Tate's perspective for like why he said that.
So I personally, I personally, when I'm thinking about like the kind of woman that I want to marry, like how many men she's slept with matters to me because they've done studies and the more people that a person has sex with in their lifetime, it significantly increases their chances of getting divorced.
Oxytocin.
What'd you say?
Oxytocin.
Like I was saying before, the amount of oxytocin they release.
Yeah, I think it desensitizes you to, like, if you've slept with like 100 people, when you're releasing that bonding hormone, if you've released it with 100 people, I think it's going to like significantly desensitize your ability to connect with like another person in that deep, intimate way.
And I think that's important.
Like, I personally believe that God created our bodies to release that hormone so that we can deeply connect with another person and like really have like a close connection with them.
And I think when people sleep with a lot of people long term, you kind of lose some of that.
And, you know, divorce rates have increased in the past few decades.
Here in California, it's like 50%.
I really care about like people having healthy marriages.
Like, I really want to have one.
My parents did not have one.
It sucked.
And I think that a lot of the world's problems come from the fact that people are, they have broken families.
And when it comes to putting body counts on people's foreheads, let me ask you guys this.
As women, would you feel judged if your body counts were on your foreheads?
Yes.
Okay.
Do you think it might entice you to sleep with less men if that was the situation?
Yes.
I don't think that's a fair question at all.
Why?
Oh, why not?
I said yes.
Well, I just think that it, like, when you're talking about body count, especially because most of us have that is not the way the two men at the table seemed to agree with that statement.
I think that body counts disproportionately have a negative effect on women than they do men.
And they also have a negative effect on men in the sense that men feel pressured to have higher body counts.
Women feel pressured to have lower body counts.
And I just think that that's like, I don't know.
It's just, it's not.
You're right.
It is an unfair question because there's a double standard there.
It's absolutely unfair.
But the question was, if we did live in a world where your body count was broadcasted, do you think it would motivate you to sleep with less men?
I think it depends on the person.
I mean, to go back to what she said, there is a double standard.
And so if you were to say, guys versus girls, guys have a body count on their head and girls have a body count on their head, in my opinion, I think that it would make the men just be like, oh yeah, great.
Like, let's just keep going.
And then it would make the girls, because of the double standard, be like, well, absolutely not.
I don't want people to think that I sleep around.
Like, there's such a negative stereotype behind that.
So I think it would have a different effect for boys and for girls.
So yeah.
I mean, they'd kind of eat their own.
Like, again, if a guy was like, oh, I'm just going to rack up this body count.
And then, again, with changing culture and influence and whatnot, it could be like, yo, that's disgusting.
Like, not going to sleep with you.
And then, hey, any woman that again, like, wants to do that, like, hey, go for it.
But then it would just separate people based on what they like and what they value.
You know?
I think that.
Oh, no.
Go ahead, go ahead.
I was going to say, I think that's actually like, I don't know, the more I think about it, the more I realize how negative it is.
Because I think the reason, and we talked about this in the car too, the reason why men care, I think at least, like, about low body counts, is because I think they like, I'm not saying this is all men, but I'm saying that a lot of men like to have that like sense of ownership.
Like, oh, like, this is like untouched.
Like, no one else like saw this besides me, you know?
And I think that's like for men.
I think that's like such a, I think it would, like, if that were brought, if like my body count was broadcasted on my forward or like any girls was, then I think that would like just create more of like this society where like men feel ownership over women.
That's an interesting take.
I wasn't expecting that last part.
You know what?
Let's, we can maybe come back a little bit to body count stuff, but let's read a couple chats here.
So we got some super chats.
Let's go.
Let's see here.
Okay, we got Mike Davis, the $5 soup chat.
Guys, just heads up, Mike Davis is the homie, but we're doing, I told you to wear a tank top, Chase.
I mean, you should have worn a tank, but super chats are 10 and up to be read and responded to.
But we will display all super chats in Stream Overlay.
Chase, holding the mic tight.
Those forearms looking buff.
We already know they get the daily workout.
That's true.
But daily work.
I do get my daily workout, Mike.
I take some days off, though.
Okay.
Appreciate the compliment, bro.
Edward Scornfield with the $10 Super Chat.
Appreciate it, man.
Thank you.
Do women allow athletic masculine men to break rules and make rules for more better men?
Beta?
Beta?
I think it's beta.
Yeah.
English is my second language.
If a man is not physically gifted, are you less likely to let him cheat than the man who is physically gifted?
So I think a better way to phrase that would be do women allow high value, high status men to break more rules?
And do women, do you guys make more rules for like dudes that are lower on the food chain?
We'll go around on that one.
We'll go around.
We'll start over here.
I don't think so.
My standards are my standards.
Like I don't really care who you are.
Like you're going to meet them or you're not.
I think that like high achieving men, I think they are almost like more able to like break more rules just because like I don't know like a lot of women appreciate like the security that comes with like that like high achieving men.
So I think they're like a little scared to leave them.
But like I think when it comes to respect like no, I don't, I wouldn't respect like a high achieving man who cheated on me versus like a low achieving man.
Yeah, I completely agree with that.
I mean, like what kind of just came to my head right now would just be, maybe like people like really good athletes or like celebrities or just really rich people, maybe because those people have higher statuses, right and like, while that's cool and all, I definitely don't think that that has anything to do with like what makes it okay if they cheat on you or not, because at the end of the day, they're a person and you have to realize that they're like a person and if you're like dating them, then that kind of status I feel like wouldn't really have much of an effect on,
like the deep and intimate relationships that you would have.
So I don't yeah, I don't think it's, I don't think that that makes it okay if like, a high status person does something wrong.
To be completely honest, I think that it's easy to definitely say that and I wish it was like that and I definitely think that, you know, personality is a really, really big factor, especially when you get into relationships, but I think the initial interaction girls will have with guy like physical, like it is it is pretty important.
Like I've heard multiple, multiple girls I mean especially guys, I'm sure do the same thing.
They're like, oh, who's that girl?
And you first go like oh, can I see an Instagram picture of them?
You know, it is like it is normal for people to just go and judge based off of looks.
You know, we can't deny that.
I don't think anyone can deny that.
So if you kind of mean like physically gifted, like you know, I definitely think that initially people will tend to allow guys to break those rules.
And I think it goes back to, you know, even the perception of like frats, like over here at UCSB ATO, kind of has this perception of going and being like, you know really, really hot guys you know are in ATO, and then girls, even though they're aware of that, they still kind of go to those frats and even though they know maybe those guys might not be like the best, they'll still go and like, allow them to kind of break rules, at least initially, of course.
Like, once that happens and you experience that it does hurt, like that feeling of getting hurt, then you will go and say, like you know, when you get Into like an intimate relationship, that's also when you want something more.
And I kind of think it goes back to like that hookup culture where initially being like hooking up is like it might seem fun, but like after a while, like it's just so unfulfilling.
Just like, you know, being unfulfilled, like you want something more than just someone who's attractive, but you also want to get into a deeper level.
We have a clarifying super chat here from Edward and Scorpio, Edward Scornfield.
No, no, no.
Intrinsically, they want strong masculine men first, forget the status.
So I think, Chase, yeah, he's he's correcting me.
He's correct.
Yeah, he said he specifically does want to know about the strong masculine men.
My apologies for thinking I was correcting what you said, Edward.
Well, I was, I mean, I was thinking along the same lines of that's maybe a this is his original one, a better way to get at the women's willingness to oh wait, this is not the original one.
Sorry, hold on, it's this one.
He's sending a lot.
Thank you, Edward.
Really appreciate it, man.
So if a man is not physically gifted, are you less likely to let him cheat than the man who is physically gifted?
I feel like you more often hear that less.
I think you weren't wrong to ask that, though, because I think you more often see that coming from men with a lot of status.
So like a famous athlete or musician or whatever.
A guy who's, I mean, I suppose a guy who's in exceptionally good shape, he's going to be perceived as more attractive.
So he could potentially get away with more.
But I mean, I think like in college settings, like the alpha jock dudes, they're probably going to get away with a lot more rule breaking.
But like out in the real world, those dudes like aren't as relevant to like women, like grown women.
There's still a lot of chicks that go for them.
But like in the real world, like of adults and stuff, it's typically like the presidents and the billionaires and the professional athletes and the movie stars that are, you know, they've got a girlfriend or a wife and they have tons of affairs and their girlfriend or wife just lets them get away with all of it.
And that's like a good point that you make too.
And it's like, you know, back to that like UCSB culture.
So like over here, I definitely think UCSB is a bubble.
Like Ivy is a bubble, you know, like if you also let's just because we have viewers that aren't really in the area, I'd say let's try not to, let's maybe avoid the nuances of dating.
And I know I asked that question initially, but I think overall, let's just try to keep things more general.
Yeah.
So sorry.
Yeah.
So maybe like going back to like what I think that they went and perceived or what that question actually entailed about like that strong masculinity.
I would have to maybe say like it actually doesn't matter because I think every single girl has like a type.
Like I was very surprised like going and finding out my friends types.
Like for me like, you know, I was like, oh, like, or I was very surprised to find out some of my friends' types.
That was not what I perceived.
Like every girl's attracted to something differently.
That doesn't mean just because like you see in movies, oh, girls are really, you know, attracted to just like very strong masculine Guys, that's actually not true.
Like, some girls are attracted to, like, you know, the exact opposite, or maybe.
There's some women that are attracted to a fete weak men.
Yes, actually, he would be somewhere.
I mean, like the smart sea chicks, like skinny white guys.
Like, that's a huge, like, so many of my friends, it's a huge thing.
It's like a trend right now.
It's like skinny white guys.
Skinny white guys.
Like, tall, skinny white guys.
Yes.
Oh, my God.
Yep.
It's like a trend.
Like, there was even a comment that said it was like, if you're handsome enough, they'll let you do it.
And that is 100% true.
And it goes both ways too, because I mean, you'll even see dudes that say, you know, even taking out looks away from it, like that are high value, where, you know, this chick could not have a lot going for it, but just very good looking, and dudes just like throwing themselves under the bus and like dropping tons of money on them.
And they just like trample them and treat them like shit.
And there's zero self-respect.
I mean, it definitely goes both ways.
There's no doubt in my mind that the more attractive that you are, the more physically fit you are, the more you can get away with it.
There's no debate about it.
Anthony, or sorry, Anthony.
I don't know where I'm coming.
Sorry, Edward Scornfield.
Speaking of athletes, Junior Soprano left a comment.
These girls never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
Excuse me, sir.
I played varsity volleyball.
Okay.
That's from Junior Soprano, the boss of the D'AMIO crime family in New Jersey.
Is it because we don't like, is it because we're not, is he saying that we don't look like we're varsity athletes?
Is that what he's saying?
You know what?
I don't want to speak for Mr. Soprano.
Of course not.
Right.
He's saying that, I mean, did you guys play lacrosse or anything?
I played varsity volleyball.
So he's not talking about me.
Any sports?
I got a varsity letter for managing the varsity golf team.
For managing.
What?
For managing.
So you just stood there.
No, no, no.
I like booked their little golf.
Did you?
Did you play?
One time, but I threw the driver when I did the thing.
It was bad.
Okay.
I didn't know how that works.
What about you?
Yeah, I actually was a golfer, so maybe you would have managed me.
Okay.
And then you said.
I already said my piece.
I was on the swim team and also, yeah, varsity tennis in my high school.
I never did sports.
I was always working full-time.
So unfortunately, I never had the chance to.
Okay, so Junior Soprano.
He's wrong.
Sorry.
You misread.
You misread.
I have a question for Hannah based on what she was saying a second ago.
So you mentioned that women let the dudes at the ATO frat get away with breaking.
I'm not, I meant like.
You mentioned that women let them get away with breaking way more rules.
Why is that?
I think it goes back to what you were saying, Tanner.
Like, it is like, you know, back what I was saying, like, I mean, everyone, like, I'm not going to generalize, but a lot of people will go and have like an initial judgment.
And how you judge someone is by the first interaction you have them.
And to be honest, if you're not talking to that person, it is going to be about their physical appearance.
Like, that's just like, you know, society has normalized that.
That is normalizing.
So is ATO like the most handsome frat?
Is that what it is?
I don't know.
But that has, you have, like, that, you know, I'm now we're talking about like UCSB in generalizing, but like if like you are at school, like a university, and you go and you have like, you know, Greek life at UCSB, Greek life isn't that big, but or not big, not as big as like in different schools, but you know, there is like Greek ranking, and then like, you know, if you go and have a top frats, and you would maybe assume, but I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm just gonna leave it at that.
Wait, really quick, just around the table, are any of you in a sorority?
Not anymore.
Not as of recent.
Well, I haven't sent my official letter of dropping, but no.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm an AKIO.
Yeah.
Is that?
Oh, you go ahead?
I'm in a sorority.
I'm also in a professional business fraternity.
Okay.
Nice.
Cool, cool.
Were you guys all part of the same sorority?
Yes, sir.
Are you guys all leaving for the same reason?
Yes, sir.
Can you share why?
Well, I mean, it's not like a specific reason, honestly.
Like, we had a great two years.
Like, you know, we all lived in our sorority house.
Which one?
Kappa, Kappa, Kappa Gamma.
Wait.
Wait, so sorry, you're AXO.
Yes.
I'm Alpha Delta Pi.
And then Kappa, what?
Kappa, Kappa, Gamma, KKG.
What the fuck is that guy?
Okay.
I don't know any of that.
You've never heard of Kappa.
Really?
I mean, I'm proud.
I've heard of AXO.
No, okay.
Well, I mean, there's not a Kappa Gamma Kappa.
Oh, okay.
It's okay.
You're not offended.
Oh, wait, that's KKK.
I didn't mean KKG.
KKG.
Okay.
KKG.
Edward, we're going to get to your.
Edward's been blasting the super chats.
I think the whole show is probably just going to be Edward Sudo.
Edward, really appreciate it.
We're going to continue on with his super chats, though.
Okay, so body count simply represents a woman's capacity to defer gratification.
It's a gauge to determine whether a woman has self-control as it relates to external validation.
Less problems.
Thank you for the $10 super chat there.
Edward, got another one.
Your actions yesterday will say a lot about what you'll do tomorrow.
It's why no woman, no women on this podcast right now would marry an ex-prison inmate.
Thank you, Edward, for the $10 super chat.
Okay, we're going to touch on that super chat really quick.
Just bring it back to body count for a second, then go back to the super chats.
So past is the past, right?
I think that's kind of where you guys were getting at.
Body count.
I think overwhelmingly, you guys said body count shouldn't matter.
Is that correct?
Show of hands, really quick.
Body count shouldn't matter.
It shouldn't, but it does.
It shouldn't, but it.
Okay, I see what you mean.
So, past, if the past doesn't matter, then just curious, and you saw in the super chat, would you date a guy who's previously went to prison, fell in, committed a couple, you know, let's say white-collar crimes.
So, some tax evasion, some tax fraud, maybe.
You know, what?
Some casual fraud, you know, the small things.
The usual.
The small things.
He didn't kill anybody.
But he's a felon.
He went to prison.
Would you deter you?
I would not date him, no.
But I don't think you compare, you can compare that to having sex.
That is two totally different things.
That is one past, and then having sex is another past.
That's very different.
Why?
How so?
I don't know if they're that different.
Yeah, how are they different?
They're both crimes.
Oh, I see what you guys are saying.
You guys were saying you shouldn't judge somebody based on their past.
Okay, that doesn't change their value as a person or anything like that.
If they did something like that, why do you feel like you can write somebody off for a white-collar crime?
I'm not saying that I would write them off completely.
I think it would definitely give me some hesitations, and I'm not sure that I would want to date somebody that's committed a felony, depending on whatever that situation is.
I just think that those are two very different questions.
Like, what's her body count?
Was he in prison?
So, I have a good, I'll have, I'll redo the question.
I have something that'll work.
But just really quick, yes or no, would you date a guy with a criminal past?
Yes or no?
With a white-collar crime, criminal past.
Let's say he was an amazing guy.
What's right, Billy again?
So, so, like, this is different from, like, like, beating and robbing somebody.
It's like, it's like doing tax fraud or like stuff like that.
Yeah, I would.
I think.
Casual embezzlement.
Just embezzling funds, you know?
I don't know.
It's like...
Drug manufacturing?
How about that?
That's like a more proper, that's a proper crime.
I think it's kind of methamphetamine.
I mean, that shows that they're smart.
Okay, yes.
It's kind of hot.
Yes or no?
It depends on what they did.
Leaning towards no, but like a tax fraud?
Okay.
I'd have to agree with that answer.
It definitely depends on the crime.
I agree.
It depends on the crime.
Fair enough.
So I'm going to sort of alter the question a little bit.
Would you date, sleep with, hook up with, whatever?
Would you date a guy that previously had slept with men?
I don't know.
I don't.
I mean, I probably wouldn't know.
Like, I don't feel like he owes that to me to say.
I don't know.
I probably, I've never been in that situation.
I don't know what I would do.
So let me try to grease it a little bit.
You're about to hook up with a new guy.
He reveals to you that last Tuesday Eduardo was balls deep in him.
He was receiving.
Oh.
He was receiving.
It does.
That's it.
He was like in the process as he's saying this.
Like, are we getting ready or is it like we're at dinner?
What?
Like, it would be completely different if, like, if we were already in bed and he was like, yeah, I just had sex with a guy last week.
I would be like, okay, yeah.
And like, this is not a good idea.
Maybe it's like a mutual friend.
You found out.
Oh, if it's a mutual friend, no, never.
Okay, not a mutual friend.
Just you heard it through the grapevine.
This guy.
If I heard it.
He's hooking up with other dudes.
He's by.
He's hooking up with dudes.
Okay.
Do you have hesitations there?
No, not really.
Okay, so you'd sleep with the guy who's by?
Yeah, okay.
That's fine.
Just.
Yeah.
Yeah, I would.
Okay.
So he was just getting, he was in, I don't know how graph.
Is it okay if I'm graphic with you guys?
Yeah.
Okay, so he's bent over in doggy style position.
And just this, he's, and there's a bear.
I don't know if you guys are familiar with gay terms, but the guy's a bear.
It's like a big, big guy, you know?
Anyways, I'm not.
Okay, let's just visualize.
Visualize he's bent over.
This is your guy.
This is your man.
And he's getting fucked in the ass.
Just, I want to know, is that kind of, you know, like a little, you feel a certain type of way about that?
I think that I have never been in that situation.
I'm not going to lie, there would definitely be hesitations, especially, you know, with this graphic image that you've now put in my head.
Definitely hesitations.
It would depend on how attracted I am to him.
I mean, if he's just this like goddess looking guy, just like extremely hot.
I mean, I don't think I would skinny, artsy white guy.
I'm not really into skinny artsy.
Oh, I thought you said that that was like the thing.
It's a trend, but it's not.
It's not mine.
No, not for me.
Not for me.
Okay, got it.
But if he was relatively attractive, like not relatively, if he was really attractive, then yes.
But if he was just kind of mid, just kind of something that I was doing casually, like definitely not.
No.
It depends on the person.
Okay.
I think it also depends on the panel of girls you're asking.
Like for me, for example, for me, I just like into straight guys.
Like I personally wouldn't, but obviously like I still have like a lot of friends who are a lot more open, you know, so would definitely be into that.
So for you, it'd be a deal breaker.
It would just be no for me.
But that's just me, you know?
Yeah, it's just who you connect with, you know?
that's his past right well yeah but that's his past but i mean that's part of his body count but But yeah, of course.
But sometimes it just goes and depends like who you're attracted to, what you're attracted to.
Like, I don't really know if that has to do with like the body count per se.
Okay.
Me personally, apparently this is an unpopular opinion across the board, but I think if a guy's bisexual, I have no problem with that as long as he communicates it with me.
Go the mic just a little bit closer towards you.
Sorry, this is better.
Just scoot it to the edge of the table.
Yeah, there you go.
But yeah, if we communicate and if he's being safe and he's using protection, I have no problem with it.
I mean, if he's bisexual, I'd be like, that's great.
Like, thank you for sharing that with me.
I'd rather he be honest and then we talk through it.
And if he's a good guy, I'd be fine with it.
We just had a walk in.
We just had a walk in the bathroom there.
Anyways.
Sorry, I'll just.
So I'll just.
So, okay.
All right.
There's a lot of super chats here, guys.
I need to just get through them really quick.
Edward, sorry, I'm going to try to get through as many of these as I can.
All right, Edward.
Edward, why don't we just have, Edward, just come on the show.
He really wants to be on the side.
Thursday.
Can you make it to Santa Barbara?
SBA.
We've got new boards.
Okay, so, okay, we were, the most avoided topic in intersectional dynamics is the alpha, what?
Wait.
Oh, AlphaFux, Beta Bucks dilemma.
I hope you guys discussed the first super chat.
It's a fundamental problem.
Thank you, Edward, for the first super chat, didn't we?
Yeah, I think we did.
Was that an old super chat that he sent right here?
This is just a follow-up one.
The most avoided topic, intersectional alpha fucks, beta bucks.
Yeah, we did talk a little bit.
We pretty much talked a bit about that.
Thank you, Edward.
We've got another one here from Edward.
Thank you, Edward, for the $10 super chat.
Much appreciated.
Let's see.
No, no.
Oh, wait.
Okay, we got this one.
Edward Scornfield, $10 super chat.
Is it understandable for men who aren't physically gifted, who become a someone through hard work, to not take women seriously?
Is it understandable for men who aren't physically gifted?
Here's how you can.
I want to respond to this.
I want to respond to this.
Edward, I will say this.
As somebody who's spent years working on myself, there's a lot of younger girls that I don't take seriously from a dating and marriage perspective because I have high standards and I know what I want in a wife.
And there's a lot of women that aren't up to par with that.
And I don't take women like that seriously from a dating perspective.
From a general life perspective, I think that you should still take people like that seriously.
I would say as far as not being physically gifted, I can definitely say, for a lot of women, first thing that we'll say, look for a man is like height, right?
There's nothing that you can do about height.
But what you can do is you can always do something about your physique.
You can always work out.
I mean, browse anywhere on social media and you see people, you know, and like, you know, in wheelchairs, like doing pull-ups and whatnot, like great for them.
Like you can always do something about how you look.
You can always do something about how much money you make.
You can always be a more interesting person.
Listen to podcasts, read books.
Like, is that there's no such thing.
Like a lot of men, you know, that again, like our incels and whatnot, a lot of them are doing that.
Like they're shooting themselves in the foot.
Like, again, you can't do anything about hype, but you can always make yourself more appealing to women.
Like, no matter what.
Okay, absolutely.
Let's get to this next super chat here.
Yo, Brandon, thank you for the $10 super chat, man.
Hey, it was good talking to you yesterday on the phone, man.
Appreciate it.
Good format tonight, fellas.
Everyone looks sharp, Brian.
That's the Gents Club experience for you this weekend, sir.
I will be at the Spearmint.
Thank you for the hookup, man.
Appreciate it.
Let's see.
By the way, anyone watching, Spearman Rhino, check it out in Santa Barbara.
Okay.
Edward Score.
Edward.
All right.
I guess this is the Edward Scornfield show tonight, guys.
Yeah, Dude in the Mill is right.
After the athletes run through the hot ones when they hit the wall, they don't want that beef anymore.
Trying to remember what that was in response to.
I think he's just saying that after they kind of get ran through, then they realize, oh, that wasn't a great idea.
And that's that.
Okay, holy shit.
Dude, Edward, you're a fucking legend, dude.
Hold on.
We got to get a little.
We got to get a little for you, dude.
Bro, Edward, financially.
Edward, Edward.
I don't know.
Edward, I don't know if this is your first time joining us, but I think it's the first time I think I've seen you super chat.
So really appreciate you, man.
Thank you for tuning in.
Zavi, what's up, man?
How you doing?
Each one of these girls have friends that they think they shouldn't be with that dude because he's no good for her and each of them are that friend.
Wait, hold on.
Each one of these girls have friends that they think they shouldn't be with that dude.
Zavi, no offense, bro.
You got to learn punctuation, right?
Okay, Edward Scornfield with the $10 Super Chat.
What's the women's first choice here?
A tall athletic man or an uncle?
I mean, I'm pretty sure what their answer is going to be.
Okay, here's your question to add on to that.
Because I think, Edward, 99 out of 100 women are going to prefer a tall athletic man over a shorter unathletic one.
Interesting question for you guys.
Would you guys prefer a tall athletic man or who's broke?
Or right?
Is that where you're going with it?
That's not where I was going with it.
I was going to say tall athletic men or maybe an unathletic one who like, maybe he plays guitar or like he's I don't know effette.
He's got some interesting hobbies, which which would you guys prefer really define?
Fet like effeminate, fetal effeminate, like like he's like kind of girly, like not traditionally masculine.
Okay, got it.
What'd you say?
Like like written by a woman type of man?
I think I'm actually using that.
Wait, I'm not sure if it's like written by a woman type of type of dude, but like the last podcast that I did with Brian, one of the girls said, like I actually really like, like effeminate guys who aren't like traditionally masculine.
So like what's, what's your guys' preferences on that?
Um, I mean, naturally I would probably be drawn more into the drawn more into the more attractive one but like, if I liked the other one more, I probably would go with him.
It's kind of more about personality, for me at least okay.
Um yeah, probably what Hannah said.
Um, I genuinely like, don't have a preference.
I really don't.
I think that both can be extremely attractive.
It just depends on, I mean personality looks values, just everything like that.
So I don't have a preference.
I want to revise the question a little bit sorry.
Okay, really good looking guy tall handsome whatever, but broke, not ambitious, whatever.
Well, I guess he's got to be kind of ambitious if he's athletic or kind of like dad bod guy, but rich, maybe a bit of status go ahead.
I would go for the more attractive one if it's just the money that's different between them, besides the other factor, just because I plan on supporting myself, so support okay.
speak into the mic I don't know I'd probably go for the ladder yeah I mean if, if the tall athletic guy was broke because he was unambitious, then that's like a horrible turn off and I just like I really value like ambition in someone and so if that was the case, then I wouldn't, I wouldn't.
Let's say he's really hot though okay, but how hot, like I like like 10 out of 10.
But Channing Tatum yeah, I just I still don't think that matters if he's super hot but he can't support, like he can't support himself.
I'm Colin Cash.
You really, you really think so, really just some, I just I'm not envisioning some super ultra stud Chad to date, like to date, to have a life date like some super ultra stud Chad like like really jacked no, very handsome no, no.
But to have sex one time well yeah, but like there it is, it's different.
They're two very different things, dating and sex very different.
So we're just gonna keep it moving, go ahead.
No, that's true, dating and sex is very different.
Like obviously, like you know first, if i'm gonna have sex with someone, like i'm gonna choose a more physically attractive one, but like it kind of goes back to like ambition, like I think for me, like ambition is something that's a very like a big green flag like, and if someone is like you know, works really hard and works on themselves, but also, you know, I could see myself having a future with them, then that's the person i'm gonna want to be with.
You know, it's kind of like going to like the university, like I want to end up with someone, with someone who actually goes and has like a future, versus someone who may not have a future.
I prefer the more attractive one.
I think attraction is huge, and just because you're broke, I mean I can help you get your credit score up.
You know like, if we're in a relationship like, I know what I bring to the table, and just because what do you bring to the table?
Oh, that's a that's a good question.
You, just you, just you just said you know what you bring to the table.
So what do you bring to the table?
I'm very ambitious, and I know that I will be successful in the future.
Is that it?
Oh well, there's more to it.
I'm also I mean, I love to like cook for other people.
I'm very caring, I love to do stuff together, I love to spend time.
So the first two things you said though, is that you're very ambitious and that you know you're gonna be successful and I can help them.
I mean, if we love each other, i'm totally willing to help them with that.
So let me ask you a question, do you think that that is something that men care about?
Yes, no offense, by the way, but do you think that men care about a woman's ambition or success?
I would hope so.
Let's open it up to the panel really quick.
Um, do you think men care about a woman's what she brings financially to a relationship?
Um, I really think that's a question that kind of depends on the person, not to say depends again.
But um, I think that everybody has a different opinion about money and everybody comes from different backgrounds.
So you can't I feel like you can't generalize that.
I feel like we should speak in generalities though.
We're speaking generalities here.
Let's generalize.
Um, it was a question you do go ahead, generally speaking.
Do you think dudes care about ambition and financial success in a woman?
Do you think they find that Attractive?
Yes.
Okay.
You think it's like a high priority for men?
Probably less successful than like them, but like still successful.
Okay.
I think that, I mean, again, okay, we're generalizing, so I'm not going to say depends.
I mean, it seems as if in today's society, things are kind of shifting.
It's kind of going from like, oh, the man provides all the money to, I feel like it's kind of getting a little bit closer to being equal.
I mean, I would hope.
So I would say, yes, they do value that because obviously you want an ambitious woman.
You want a woman that can stand her own ground, that can make her own money.
And I don't know.
I just think it's like society has really been accepting that lately.
And I'm really happy.
I'm happy about that.
It makes me happy.
I have two takes on this.
One, I think boys versus men kind of is different.
Like boys, I don't think.
Definitely not.
Men, I definitely think, I mean, my opinion, I think that they value that more.
And also, I think it also is like how you grew up.
I actually just talked to a recent close friend of mine and I was very surprised, but he said that he grew up with parents who were very much like, you know, his mom went and like grew up in the household.
She took care of the kids, like kind of like the stereotypical versus her dad went and like, you know, worked.
And he said he wouldn't mind having, you know, a wife who kind of like stayed at the household.
And if there was a choice between him working and her or her working, he would prefer him to work and her to stay in the household.
Versus some of my other friends, you know, go and say that they're much more like, you know, it's getting more toward like, you know, more of an equal, equalized relationship.
But generally, I would go back to my first thing, which is like men would value that.
Okay.
Versus boys.
Versus boys.
That's a good distinction to make.
I think you could actually argue that a boy would care more about a woman's finances.
Because as a man, most like a man, let's say a guy who's an attorney, for example, he'd probably date a barista, a woman who worked at Chick-fil-A, if she was attractive.
But I'd say most women who are attorneys would not do the reverse.
A female, like a female professional, a female attorney, or say a doctor, whatever it is, she's probably going to be looking for a guy that is on her level or higher.
Like, yeah, and I think definitely maybe from like this panel, like we're all kind of like 19, 20.
I think our perception is definitely like, you know, we are at college right now and I've experienced like, you know, boys.
And then I've also dated a couple like I would consider like men who like go and value things a little bit differently.
So I think, you know, my perception is, you know, limited, but I do kind of agree with that.
And then maybe also like, I mean, you guys, please like let me know because I'm actually genuinely interested.
Is that do you find maybe a really successful woman very like intimidating almost?
And then what this kind of like sidetrack or like, would you guys be deterred from it?
Or Tanner, you go ahead first.
Okay, so, you know, for me, I'm trying to scale myself to be the best man that I can be.
Where I mean, now I, you know, I have a good job.
I mean, I'm not like rich by any means, but I do pretty good for myself, totally support myself.
I have my side business now.
It's like something of my own that I'm trying to scale that, you know, should be making like more money.
And that's something that, you know, I want to do for me, but also to provide like for a woman.
Big thing for me is like, I want a woman who, you know, say if she has a great job, like makes money, like that's fine.
But I'm looking for a woman that is like very feminine.
Like, and for me, like has to love babies and has to want to have a family.
Like, that's huge for me.
Like, that's what I'm looking for.
If she likes to work and does all that, like, hey, good, great.
But she like has to be feminine and has to love babies and would have to be willing to spend at least like the first five years of my kid's life, you know, like with them, raising them and whatnot.
So if they want to like work and want to be successful that way, that's fine, but they also have to be okay with the family dynamic that I would want in the future and like to let me support them in that way.
So you're a little turned off by like independent women?
I mean, I wouldn't say turned off, but like say if there was like an independent woman that was kind of doing her thing, but then she was like, hey, I do want children and I, you know, I do want to raise them and whatnot, then like, that's what I'm looking for.
If it's an independent woman that's just like, oh no, like if I were to have a kid or whatever, but then immediately just like, you know, put them in like public school and just have them like be raised by whoever and add nothing to them in that way.
That's not something that I would want.
Like, you know what I mean?
Yeah, I understand.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So for me, the distinction here is that like when I get married, I want a wife who is submissive and traditionally feminine.
And I want to be in like a leadership role and kind of traditionally masculine.
And one of the things that I think happens a lot in the world is when women are making a lot of money, they kind of end up like wearing the pants in the relationship.
And that can really kind of fuck up relationship dynamics.
Like when I was growing up, my mom, she wasn't making more money than my dad, but there was a lot of times where she was kind of wearing the pants in the relationship and it created a lot of friction in our household.
And like if I if I found a woman who was making more money than I was, like I, it might be a little bit intimidating, but like if there's like a big difference, like let's say, I don't know, she's making like $400,000 a year more than I am.
Like that, that'd probably be a bit intimidating.
But if I met her and we had a good dynamic and like the two of us could kind of collaborate on like how we wanted to build a life together and she like trusted my leadership, that's like the key, right?
Like if for me, if a woman trusts my leadership as a man, like that's, that's like a green light for me.
So to just make it clear what you're saying is that an independent woman isn't a total turnoff, but you still have to be the leader.
The men still has to be the leader in the relationship.
Or like, you know, the woman has to be submissive.
For me, like, that's what I want.
Like, I, and I personally find like the whole like boss bitch, like, I'm a strong, independent woman who don't need no man.
Like, I find that to be a total turnoff.
I don't like that at all.
I think coming like, you know, Chase and I were both Christians and kind of we look at that that way is that like, you know, women will kind of, speaking from like a marriage standpoint, you know, women will kind of submit to their husbands and they might not necessarily agree with everything that they're saying, but they will still, and if they do agree or not agree with it, they will let them know, vocalize like why they don't agree with it, why they think it's not a good idea.
But at the end of the day, we'll still submit to their husband and then still trust them enough to be like, okay, if this is a mistake, whatever, then you will find us a way out of it and trust enough to be that way.
If I explain that right.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, like, so one of the things that the Bible tells us as men is that we're called to be the spiritual leaders of our household.
And as a Christian, I look at what's going on in the world and I think that we're in a spiritual life.
But Chase, not everyone's a Christian.
You're right.
You're right.
But as a Christian, I look at what's happening in the world and I see a spiritual war that's happening.
And I see that as something that like, you know, there's, I think that there's a lot of dudes who, how would I put this?
There's a lot of pitfalls in the world spiritually.
I don't know.
I know you don't like getting into like the trans stuff and whatnot on the show, but like I'll just say this.
Like, there's a lot of pitfalls in the world spiritually.
And like when a woman doesn't submit to like a husband or like the way he wants to lead the household, like you might end up in a situation where the husband doesn't want a kid to get a transgender surgery or something like that.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
How do you get from point A to point B?
We're like, we're not going to.
Yeah, it's an important point.
It is an important point.
Like, how do you get from point A to point B where like, let's say like someone who like financially supports their household?
Because my mom, like when growing up, like my mom honestly brought in like most of the money.
Like, and I don't understand how those women condition their children to be transgender.
No, I'm not saying they condition their kids.
That's not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is in households where there isn't a traditional masculine-feminine dynamic, like sometimes the dudes will be pushovers and stuff.
I mean, there's also plenty of men that are like pretty liberal and would just go along with some of those ideologies or whatever.
There are not what I want for my household.
I'm not interested.
That's fine.
And I'll give my take.
I don't really, for me, finances wise, it's pretty low priority for me.
Honestly, don't really care.
She could work at Chick-fil-A, hook it up, you know, get me some chicken tenders.
Like, I don't care.
I really don't care.
She doesn't need to match me socioeconomically.
Yeah.
Doesn't bother me at all.
I think most guys are, I think most guys prioritize like beauty, fertility, youth, femininity over success.
Low body count?
That's another one.
Some guys don't care about that.
A lot of guys care about that.
But I think guys mainly prioritize those things over like ambition and financial success in women.
Why do you think that is?
Because.
What's like the disconnect?
Because.
Because I think that women value ambition and success way higher than looks and youngness, youth, like whatever.
So what do you think the disconnect is?
I mean, the difference.
So I would say that there are all sorts of asymmetries between what men and women find attractive.
So for example, men don't care so much about a woman's height.
They certainly don't care if I would say most men don't have a preference for a female partner being taller than them, but I would say most women have a preference for their male partner being taller than them.
So that's an asymmetry there in terms of what men and women find attractive.
So let me ask you another one.
Would you?
Can I answer her question?
I don't think you answered it directly enough.
Well, I'm kind of getting at it, right?
Oh, okay.
Go ahead.
well so what your question is why so my question is why do men why Okay, I guess it's just like, it's weird for me because I just value ambition and just kind of like having goals and just being a really driven person as like a huge priority to me.
And you basically said that that is not a priority to men.
And I'm just curious as to why.
And then I also have a second question.
So I have a very direct and simple answer to this question.
Perfect.
So I think when you have a guy that's like ambitious and he's confident and he's getting after it in life, like that kind of subconsciously signals to women, like this guy's probably going to be successful.
If a guy that you're with is going to be successful, I think there's like deep in your brain a part of you that realizes, okay, if I build a family with this guy, he's going to be able to provide for me and probably going to be able to protect me.
Right.
Whereas guys, like, I'm not looking at a woman thinking, okay, she's going to be able to provide for me and protect me.
Like, I look at a woman and I'm like, is she going to be able to carry my kids?
Can I, you know, have a bunch of kids with her?
Is she going to have healthy pregnancies?
She's going to be loyal to me.
Is she going to be loyal to me?
Yeah.
And like, I think like, like when a woman gets pregnant, like people talk about this with evolutionary psychology, right?
Like, if a woman gets pregnant, throughout a lot of history, that would be like a very vulnerable position to be in, right?
Like, if you're going to get pregnant, you're going to have a baby in your belly.
If there's a predator, you're going to be slower to get away from it.
You're going to need resources to sustain that pregnancy, right?
And so you need to know, okay, my guy's going to be able to provide for me, right?
And if he's, if, if he's a guy who's like, you know, he's going to be successful, you're going to have a lot of confidence in that guy, right?
Like, he's attractive to you.
I have, for my second question, what I'm actually genuinely just like really curious, like, genuinely, because I've never really had this conversation with guys.
What percentage of guys do you guys think think the same as you in the sense of like you guys aren't as attracted to like the boss woman, like whatever, like go-getter, independent.
You know what I mean?
Because I was thinking about it and I was like, I actually have no idea like what men think about this.
Okay.
Most guys, they will literally, their opinion will be based solely off of what they think will get women to sleep with them.
That is the vast majority of men, I swear.
And that is it.
So as far as like men's opinions, say what you're saying exactly.
Men.
So I'm not talking about, I'm not talking about like hooking up.
I'm talking about like in a relationship with a woman that you want to get married to, what is the predominant thinking with men?
Like what do men think?
Like what does a majority of men think about like a woman that's like, you know, independent, makes her own money, doesn't really think about like, you know, the man being the well, as far as finances go, it's very low priority.
Of course, we don't want a woman who's got like $300,000 of debt, but it's, we really don't.
It's youth.
It's youth and fertility.
Biologically speaking, low body count is very good for a lot of guys too.
But youth and fertility, like femininity.
This is why like tits and ass are so huge to guys, right?
Like it's such a big priority for guys.
Not fake ones though.
Yeah, not fake ones.
Like so many guys are attracted to a girl with, I think, in my opinion, so many guys are attracted to women with big boobs and big butts because it signals fertility, right?
And like, I think we're solidarity.
It's not something we like consciously think about.
Like it's just our biology.
Like when we see a woman with those things, we just like our body knows, okay, she can make kids for us.
And I think we're like hardwired for that, you know?
Same thing with women, like in like tall jack dudes.
You know what I mean?
It's the same thing.
And that's that's not to say, obviously, that guys don't like women without big boobs or a big butt, but it's just like, it's like just our biological programming.
And I think, I think most guys, probably 90% plus of dudes, like they look at a woman's youth and her beauty and like that's what they immediately judge.
And the financial success, ambition that comes second.
I definitely say that like men will look at morals as well along with femininity and beauty, fertility.
And I think like as you guys, you guys are mostly 20, right?
Like I think as you guys get into your mid-20s and stuff, like right now you're probably looking at dudes and you like the confident, energetic, like tall, handsome guys.
But as you guys get into your mid-20s, you're probably going to really place a premium on like, okay, is this guy going somewhere in life?
Because if you see a guy who's going somewhere in life, that's going to be very attractive to you guys.
I have a question for you.
You say that like you're attracted to like youth and femininity.
Do you think that means that like after your wife turns like 35, like you're not going to be attracted to her anymore?
Because she's not going to be considered young and feminine?
That's a good question.
So I think for a lot of guys, that's the case.
I was telling them last time, this is a pattern that I've noticed with the older dudes at my gym who are all divorced.
A lot of these guys, like they started, they married women that they started having sex with very quickly.
And then once they got into their late 30s and into their 40s, they realized there's nothing really there beyond the physical attraction.
And a lot of these dudes got divorced.
For me, like.
Yeah, I want a wife who I'm physically attracted to, but like I want a wife who I have a really deep connection to because I want to be cracking jokes with her on my porch when we're in our 70s, you know?
Like I want to be talking about like books and movies and stuff like that.
And I think a lot of people get into relationships where it's just purely based on the physical attraction.
And that fizzles out after you're out of your 30s for a lot of people, you know?
And so for a lot of guys, that's the case.
But I think if you carefully pick your partner, you know.
And have a strong connection with them, then like the attractiveness wouldn't matter when you are 35.
Because also like both men and women age, right?
So you have to be able to have that deep emotional connection so you can continue a long relationship.
Okay.
Exactly.
Got it.
I got it.
And I think like if you find a great guy who you build a family with, like that love is going to evolve and transform, right?
Like when you guys first meet, if you meet in your 20s, he's going to be really attracted to your physical beauty and all that stuff.
But if you guys have kids together and you guys grow with one another, that love is going to transform from just being physical attraction into like you guys have built a life with one another.
You care about each other's individuals.
And like you guys have raised kids into human being adults, you know, together.
And like that's, that's where you can build a lot more love off of.
And I think that's what sustains people over the long run, you know?
I think though, too, that a lot of guys, you know, that would say be in their early like to mid-30s or so, they would, you know, try to look for a woman that's in her, you know, it's like, you know, 23 to like 26 or so, just because they've had more time to build themselves up like as a man, get more resources, get more income, all that stuff.
And then have like some of this, you know, younger, more beautiful, because I mean, there's no shortage of women that are like 35-year-old like wine-drinking dog moms, you know, that just like hate everybody and say like, you know, absolutely all men are just this, that way, and the other, just because they've like morted off every single man and then their beauty is kind of fading versus somebody that's younger and you know, more fertile.
And on that point too, Couch Potato Farm said if a woman stays disciplined, eating well and exercising, women will be attractive at all ages.
That is like such an important point.
There are like so many women out there.
There's so many women out there who take like really good care of themselves.
They eat the right foods.
They stay on top of their exercise and they are hot into their like 40s and 50s.
And there's also.
Mean a MILF, you could call them.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I grew up in San Diego.
There's a ton of those.
It just speaks, I mean, for both genders, is like if you treat yourself like shit and you're just out just drinking fucking seltzers and like that's your hobby and just going out partying all that stuff, you're going to age way quicker than somebody who actually eats clean, takes care of their health, exercises.
Like that goes for both men and women.
Like no doubt.
I have a follow-up question.
If fertility is so important, would you not pursue someone who you click with on any other level or on every other level if they're infertile?
Not because of their actions or drugs or alcohol, but they were born infertile.
Would you not pursue them because of that?
That's a good question.
Well, if you, I guess it depends.
I mean, if you want kids, that's probably a pretty big deal breaker.
So it's just a non-starter if you want kids.
But if a guy is open to not having kids, then that's actually probably a good thing.
But can't you have kids in other ways?
No.
So Let's get into that next.
Wow.
Brian said, yo, can you pull up Brain Super Chat again?
Or AdMed.
AdMed started with Brain.
Brain.
Yeah, he meant to type Brian.
He said, Brian, this podcast will never pop off until one guy tells the truth to these girls.
Every single guy is so scared to talk the truth, goodness me.
What are you talking about?
I know.
He's just throwing shade.
I will say that my last girlfriend.
Wait, why did we bring that one up?
It was interesting, and I want to spit some hard truth.
I want to spit some hard truth to these girls.
My last girlfriend and I, we broke up because she was like super pro getting the vaccine.
And are we about to get your channel taken down right now?
No COVID shit.
We're not talking to COVID shit.
Sorry, man.
Just assume.
Just assume what he has to say.
We're not going to talk COVID.
All right.
Sorry between the lines.
We'll get fucking YouTube channels.
I don't want to get Brian's channel nuked.
YouTube.
By the way, I just want to make it clear.
You know, we got three guys here, but we don't all have the same opinion on everything.
Oh, Brian wants to speak.
Let me just say he disagrees with my last point.
What about the?
We're not going to talk about vaccines.
We're not talking about vaccines.
Did you have something to say?
I thought she moved.
My ex?
Wait, you guys know?
You said at the beginning that you guys broke up because she moved to another country.
That was when I was like six years ago or seven years ago.
Okay, we're going to get caught up on some chats here.
That was a different ex.
We're going to get caught up here on some chats.
We got the American Network Against Labia Placedy, which is my nonprofit organization.
Hashtag all labia matter.
Facts.
Thank you, my nonprofit organization, for that.
Yeah.
It's a real shame that women are shamed for their labia.
Would you guys agree?
Have you ever heard, have you guys ever heard a guy shaming a woman if she had a large labia?
Why are you giving me the death stare?
Well, no, I'm just saying that this is a first for me.
But like, I mean, I appreciate like, honestly, the honesty, too.
Like, I'm also aware, too, like, both you guys said you come from like Christian, like, you guys are both Christian, correct?
So, like, I'm also taking into perspective that's your background.
But, I mean, definitely, like, I like, I'm very genuinely interested about your guys' perception.
I'm going and like, you know, thinking about that.
I appreciate that.
Yeah.
You really wanted to get off of the labia topic very quickly.
Is there something you want to tell us?
Have you been thinking?
I'm just going to leave it at that.
That's awkward, bro.
Have you been thinking about it?
Okay, never mind.
Next one.
We have a comment from Stiffmeister here.
He's here every week.
Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to 10.
If you insist, Stiffmeister, okay, go ahead.
Rate your looks on the scale of one.
I think I think it's seven or an eight.
Yeah, probably same.
That's such an odd question.
Stiff, just based on just looks, like nothing to do with just looks.
7.5.
Yeah, 7, probably.
7.
8.5.
20.
No, I'm just kidding.
I think I'm like 7.58 on a good day.
6.
6.9 on a good day.
Andrew Tate says, I'm flying the brunette to Romania.
Pack your bags.
Well, we have two brunette.
I mean, Mr. Tate.
Andrew Tate, which one?
Yeah, we have three Brunettes here.
What?
No.
Okay.
So let's get caught up here on.
We got so many super chats, guys.
It's insane.
Let's just.
Let's do a speed round.
So many of them.
I won't get through all of them, but oh my god.
Is that 40?
Do I see we have 40 super chats?
Yeah, we got Edward.
Edward, dude, you're going to need to up the amount of money people pay for us to talk about them.
Yeah, guys, 20 and up from now on, just because we have.
I'm sorry, guys, we just have way too many super chats, and it'll just spend the rest of the show talking about it.
So we're going to have to do a lightning round on the super chat.
10 and up for now.
Let's go 10 and up.
No, it is 10 and up.
Okay.
Yeah, so 20 and up, guys, for super chats.
Sorry, it's just we're getting blasted.
Market dynamics, supply and demand.
Okay, so let's see.
I think we're on this one.
Do they select unathletic men?
Edward Scornfield, thank you, man.
They couldn't lock down the athlete.
Sorry, I keep bringing up athlete, but sexually, I think women want physically dominant man.
Do they select because they think most women want a physically dominant man if he's the complete package, but if they can't get that, they're going to pick the next best option.
Most men that have options won't want to settle down because they have options.
Yeah.
Edward Scornfield with the $10 Super Chat.
If the past doesn't matter, should we just get rid of the judicial system?
That was weird.
I'm like talking about the white-collar crime.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's finally getting to these.
Yeah, these came in like super early.
That's a pretty sarcastic pass.
Should we just get rid of the judicial system?
Yeah, he's just chatting with us.
Edward, thank you, though, so much for the support, man.
If a man makes money doing dishonest legal things, do you care?
Mike Davis with the $10 Super Chat.
What's up, Eddie?
Nice to see another man here who isn't on welfare and has a few dollars to spend.
Yeah, Mike Davis, there's some competition for you, man.
There's some competition coming.
Edward Scornfield, and I think he's also coming in for the roaster position, too, it seems.
Baha to Nathan's description.
People in the comments are asking, who's Jackie?
Jackie's the one in green for everybody listening.
For everyone that wants to know.
Hi.
Who's Nathan?
Baha to Nathan's description.
I'm not sure what.
Okay, Ralph.
How much is rent out there?
So we're, I mean, we are doing 10 and up, but I'll just answer really quick.
It's like for a one bedroom, it's about low end.
You're probably going to spend $2,000.
Expensive.
For a one kind of crummy one-bedroom.
If you're just like splitting an apartment, you could spend like $1,300, $1,400.
Edward Scornfield with the $10 Super Chat.
Chase, I believe this is targeted towards you, bro.
In all fairness, you're a trust fund baby with your looks.
Appreciate it.
Chase, do you want to respond to?
I mean, dude, it's just a casual roast.
Thanks for your complimenting my looks, bro.
Mike Davis, Brian, instead of Craigslist, it looks like you got this pack of low-grade females from Backpage.
For the streets.
Oh, shit.
Okay, I want to open it up to the listeners.
That was funny.
That was funny.
Do you have a response to Mr. Mike Davis?
Oh, wait, wait, what?
Do you guys have a response to what you just said?
He just called you a pack of low-grade females from Backpage.
Well, you know what, Mike?
I don't even know what Backpage is.
I don't know.
That just doesn't offend me.
And by the way, Craigslist is great.
Look at their dogs on Craigslist.
It's great.
Okay.
Anything?
I mean, people are going to hate, you know, that's why you're over there going and commenting and set up up here in front of the camera.
So, like, I mean, yeah, it is what it is.
Like, everywhere you get, you're going to get hate.
You know, you could either take it or leave it.
But at the end of the day, you should just like know who you are, you know, and respect yourself.
So I'm not going to really take any judgment for anyone else and like judge myself based off of, you know, some low-grade insults.
Okay.
Mike Davis.
Mike Davis, there's still an open invitation for you to come on the show, ladies.
Yeah.
Do not take offense to it.
He roasts everybody on the show.
Edward Davis.
He's the one paying to comment that.
Edward Scornfield with the $10 Super Chat.
If they say an effeminate man, it's because they're ready for a relationship.
If they're getting slammed, they're going for the athletes.
Athletes get all the fun.
I mean, there's definitely some truth to that.
Like, just for a hookup, you know, but for a relationship.
Maybe y'all want a man you can control a bit better.
Whereas, like, a player, he ain't gonna settle.
So I get that.
We should keep moving.
Yep.
Isn't it ridiculous?
The attractiveness brings nothing to the table, but the betas keep taking it.
There's a reason the MGTOW and MGTOW is men going their own way.
Movement is what it is.
Okay.
Edward Scornfield, thank you for the $10 soup chat.
Ahom.
Oh, okay.
It's one of these gag names.
Ahem Gay?
Yeah.
I'm Gay.
Yeah, yeah.
I caught it.
I caught it.
It's funny.
Michael Literis got me last week, though.
How important is a social media presence image in dating?
I personally did not have NIG after giving it up, but it seems like that's a red flag.
How important?
Okay, so really quick, really quick around the table guys.
Go ahead.
I don't think it's important at all.
Based.
Wait, how important is this presence in dating?
Honestly, I prefer people who don't have a social media presence.
Wait, are we talking about like our presence or like no, his presence?
Let's see.
Let's say you've got a dude.
Would he be more attractive or less attractive if he had 100,000, 250,000 followers on Instagram?
I mean, I'm going to be honest, definitely less attractive, but that's just coming from my standpoint of like getting like, I mean, I feel like I get jealous, you know?
Because like, like, if he's attractive, like, wouldn't there just be like hundreds and hundreds like of girls like messaging him and stuff?
And like, there's obviously temptation with that, you know?
If you trust them 110%, then I wouldn't mind, but it's, it's definitely a little.
It's a red flag.
I wouldn't say it's a red flag.
It's just, it's a little concerning.
Okay.
It's a little concerning.
Okay.
Yeah.
That's a good answer.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think I'd actually like prefer maybe if they didn't have like that high of a social media.
But honestly, I don't, I don't know if it's like with the guys think about the girls because I've seen a lot of people like a lot of guys definitely do judge girls based off of their like Instagram feeds, maybe because like that's the initial look of them.
So I want to hear about you that for you guys, but a little bit more based off of that and kind of what you are on.
And kind of even, I don't know, like if like, a guy is very, very into his social media, maybe it could also be because, like you said, like a lot of girls maybe like after that, because they have the ability to go and see and they see like their attractiveness, and then they, and then it's kind of like that first initial like based off of like their physical looks.
So that's why, like you know from me, in that perspect, in perspective, like I personally would prefer a guy who's like, not very big on social media too, because I guess it makes them, for me at least, it makes him seem a little bit more genuine, a little bit more grounded and more more into like them, instead of going and putting more effort into how other people people perceive them.
Great answer.
I think when a guy doesn't have social media, they're mysterious.
Like there's something a little sexy about that.
I also think people are very different in person from what they are on their Instagram.
And honestly, it just provokes and encourages getting to know them in person, which I think is great.
So I want Kiki to come in really quick.
It's actually fascinating hearing your guys' answers because you guys said almost the exact same thing that the last group of girls I spoke with.
Really?
Can I like ask though, like, what is Guy's perception on it?
Because I have, I mean, especially right now, I'm not sure maybe if it's out there, but like sometimes it's difficult maybe at UCSB, like sometimes it's difficult to find people who are relationships.
So that's why you kind of like build this, it's this thing that you build the social media presence that way maybe you can go and find people that way.
And then for example, if you go and first meet someone, how's the best way that they can meet you?
Oh, like here's my Instagram, maybe get to know you a little bit.
Like does that, what's your guys' opinion on girls of like a good social media versus maybe one that's like not very active?
Do you want to start?
Yeah, yeah.
So I mean, you know, for me, I'm trying to scale my business.
So like I'm on social media and anyone that follows me on social media knows like I'm pretty out there.
I put like wild ideas out there and I think that I'm funny.
He is funny.
But what I do like about social media is that you can tell a lot about somebody by social media.
Like now with our generation, you know, with millennials and Gen Z, is that a lot of times we kind of, you know, we put ourselves out there on social media.
You can tell a lot about somebody.
And so if somebody is, you know, way out there and they're posting like wholesome content, stuff that's interesting, things that get you thinking, ask you philosophical questions, like that's pretty great.
But versus you look at somebody who you look at their Instagram, they're just posting like booty pics and stuff like that, stuff that's just like obviously way out there for attention, you know immediately pretty much the gist of who they are.
And so it's easy to tell that way, you know?
Yeah.
So yeah.
If a girl has a shit ton of followers on social media, that's like we're talking hundreds of thousands or even like even chicks with like, you know, 12,000 or less.
Like there's, there's girls, even less than that.
There's girls with like 5,000 followers.
They'll get like pro athletes sliding into their DMs.
That's dangerous, right?
Like that's super dangerous.
Chicks with hundreds of thousands of followers, like they're going to have tons and tons of dudes hitting them up.
And I mean, for me, like it definitely, it like sparks some of my insecurity because I'm like, what if, you know, what if I am with a girl and some amazing guy who's like super jacked and good looking and has a lot of money and a lot of social status?
What if he slides into her DMs?
The more followers she has, like it increases the chances of that happening.
So it's like, it's something to worry about.
But like you were saying, when you get to know a person, you know whether or not you can trust them in relation to that.
It's also kind of exciting to me because like, you know, I'm a professional photographer and I do marketing and stuff.
And I work with people who have large followings.
And if you find a good woman with a large following, like I would love to work with her.
You know, if I married her, I would love to work with her to like do brand work and stuff like that to make our family a lot of money.
I have a question too on that.
Like, do you think maybe society's more being driven to like to kind of like look at girls of social media?
Because I think that maybe like with social media, like there is also like that toxicity that comes into play that you kind of mentioned.
Like it does like if they have a lot of followers and a girl's like maybe or a guy too is so fixated on that, it can be a turnoff.
But also, does social media help you find like initial perception or perspective about like who that girl is?
Definitely.
I mean, yeah, if you look and you look at a guy's social media and he's just following like just a bunch of, you know, booty pick like type pages and stuff like that and whatnot, then like instant red flag.
Same thing.
But instead of like booty pics, like what I meant is like, how about a girl maybe who has two posts versus a girl who like maybe goes and posts a lot more, is a lot more active.
Maybe she's like more philosophical, not doing it for like the booty pics like in the attention, but like it's so, you know, has a major part of it.
I get what you're saying.
I'll say this.
I'll say this.
So we're talking about boys and men, right?
Okay, yeah, give me both.
We're talking about boys and men.
You've got the boys who just want to hook up with chicks.
If you're a girl with a profile full of booty pics and all that stuff, he's not going to care.
I'm in a place in life where I'm looking for a wife, right?
If I go to a girl's Instagram and it's just a ton of thirst trap photos, booty pics all over the place, instant red flag.
I'm like, nah.
But if I go to a girl's page, let's say she has a thousand posts, but she's posting about interesting stuff and stuff that's meaningful to her.
Like maybe some of that will resonate with me, right?
Maybe I'll look through some of her stuff.
Like I personally love girls with convictions and like strong opinions about things that's going on in the world.
If I see a girl with like interesting opinions and they align with like what I think and she's posting that on her social media, that's a huge green light for me, right?
I don't care if she has a billion posts or if she's if she's posting pictures of herself and she looks beautiful, but she's not like, you know, her ass isn't hanging out and she's not like thirst trapping.
Like that's that's not a big deal to me either.
Like I love finding beautiful women on Instagram who are like classy and they're not thirst trapping.
Like that's that's a cool thing to see a woman do, you know?
Yeah, I'll give my take on this too.
So there's definitely tears to it.
So if she's got just thirst traps, a bunch of booty photos, booty pics, bikini pics, to me, it's a I don't know.
It varies.
It varies.
If her Instagram is private versus if it's public, it's a factor.
I mean, once you're in a relationship, I don't know.
To me, it's kind of.
I would prefer if my girlfriend was not posting thirst traps on Instagram.
You don't want her sharing everything with the world.
Yeah.
And I think men and women, we also flirt differently.
So I want to really quick go around the panel.
Is it cheating if you're in a relationship with a guy and he likes another girl's Instagram photo?
Let's say it's a bikini pick.
No.
It's not cheating, but it's like a red flag.
Would you take issue with it?
No.
I mean, like, if they're just like mindlessly liking things, I wouldn't really care.
I would look at the other pictures that they've liked.
And if it's consistent bikini photos, then I mean, it's not cheating, but if it's like one, like, okay, it's not.
It's not a big deal.
Yeah, I think also depends like how jealous kind of like the girl can get, you know, because sometimes you guys went and said, you don't want girls posting booty pics because you don't want her showing everything.
Like you kind of like want it to be a little bit more like just for you, kind of like you went and said about like the hookups, like the less body count, the better, because it's something that's almost like you guys can connect well.
It's just like you kind of have for your own, you know?
And I think it's kind of like that too.
If a guy is going and liking every single picture, like for me, it might go and spark a little bit of, I don't know, a little jealousy.
No way.
Is this true, ladies?
No bullspit just said, I just checked out all the girls' Instagrams and they are all booty pics and bikini pics.
Is this true, ladies?
Well, who are they talking about?
All of you.
All of you.
I mean, it's okay.
I'm not judging.
Okay, I have a question.
I have a question.
Okay.
So let's just say a girl posts bikini pictures, right?
But the motive behind it isn't to like thirst trap or to like, I mean, not a lot, like just like a couple, right?
The motive behind it isn't to thirst trap.
It's because she's genuinely happy and feels confident about her body.
Maybe she works out a lot or like she's just really proud of how she looks on her body.
Do you still think that that's a red flag or something that's kind of like looked down upon?
Good question.
No, I don't personally.
Like I, there's a balance, right?
So like, like I follow this one girl on Instagram and she posts, she's like a fashion influencer.
Most of her posts are like her adventures or the different outfits that she's wearing, stuff like that.
And then every like 15 posts, you know, she'll throw a bikini picture in there.
It'll be a tasteful one.
Like she's not like, it's not like one of the ones where it's like, look, look how juicy my ass is.
It's like, it's elegant.
You know what I mean?
I personally like that.
That's different from like, there's a lot of girls out there.
Every single photo is like a bikini pick showing off all the goods.
That's like a totally different thing.
I don't like that.
It's very clear when women want attention versus just like posting content for sure.
Can I?
Oh, so sorry.
Go for it.
I actually was like talking with my friend Jess, and this is something that's very interesting is that at least at UCSB, I know we're not going to generalize like schools and stuff and I don't want to keep it there, but it's very common for girls to go to parties and like it will be like very cold at night and they'll wear like, you know, skimpy outfits.
And that's very normalized here.
And yet when Jess and I kind of like were talking to a lot of our guy friends recently, we found out that they actually found that almost as like a turn off.
What's your guys' opinion on that?
Like overly skimpy outfits, like to me, that's a turn off because that's just like screaming for attention.
It's just like, hey, like look at my body.
This is what I have to offer.
To me, that's a turnoff.
Yeah, I mean, like, I think like the super tiny skirt, like if you're posting images of yourself in like a super tiny skirt and like, you know, tiny little crop top and you're showing off all the goods, like that basically signals, hey, I want to get banged, right?
Like I'm going out tonight to meet some guys.
I'm like, I'm trying to, I'm trying to go home with one.
It just, like, there's, there's a way, there's a way to show off your beauty and who you are as a woman and what you have to offer without giving everybody all the goods and kind of like looking like a slut.
You know what I mean?
Like, there's, there's ways to do it, you know?
Got it.
Why do you think that, like, I don't know, just kind of an awe?
What I've noticed, like, traveling, I mean, along different college campuses and just young people in general, do you think, like, maybe sometimes it's such a normalized thing that people feel pressured to do it, not because they're screaming for attention, but because it's almost kind of like a, well, I'm not going to fit in if I don't wear a shirt that's showing my whole tit, you know?
Yeah.
I feel like a lot of people feel that.
Yeah, no, 100%.
100%.
When I was in, when I was in college, like all the girls were trying to post the hottest pictures all the time and they were trying to meet the cutest guys and stuff.
And it changes once you're out of college, you know?
Thank gosh.
Seriously.
Change the culture, though.
Right.
It's all about the culture.
Any of your friends that are in your drawers are ever like dressing like that.
Like, why are you dressing like that?
What are you trying to get out of that?
No, I don't think we should control what other people wear.
No, no, just ask.
Just ask.
Just plant the seat.
Like, why are you doing that?
I feel like that in itself is disrespectful to ask somebody why they're wearing a bunch of people.
That's weirding what they're wearing.
So, I mean, unrelated to that is just as far as if someone's wearing revealing clothing, I think you're totally free.
You should wear whatever you want.
Me personally, I think my preference, and I think a lot of guys' preferences, I think we would prefer to, as far as taking a woman seriously for a long-term relationship, I think we would prefer a girl who dresses more modestly.
Like, also, me personally, I don't go out.
I don't party.
I'll go to the bars, uncle, the clubs.
I rarely drink.
Not a big drinker.
So, I'm not really out in those environments a whole bunch to begin with.
But, like, for me, if a girl was, if she was even just going out Friday, Saturday, consistently every weekend, I'm probably that's not the type of girl that I'm going to take seriously for a long-term relationship.
I'm an outlier, though.
Like, I very rarely drink.
I fucking hate bars.
I hate clubs.
I don't like parties.
I'd rather masturbate with sandpaper, quite frankly, than go to some thing with height, with the grit, you know, the grit strength, very strong.
I just question.
Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.
So, I'm just going to take me and Hannah, for example.
If Hannah and I were to wear the exact same shirt, not to call you out, Hannah, you have much bigger boobs than I am.
And let's just say the shirt, I look more modest in it.
And Hannah, because she happens to have bigger boobs, she's wearing the exact same shirt.
Would you see, and answer honestly, would you see her differently versus how you would view me at a party if we're wearing the same exact shirt?
This is directed towards me.
I think guys would give a shit.
We don't care.
I don't think you're reaching out, and mine are like not, for example.
Wait, wait, wait.
You said you guys are both wearing the same shirt, but it's revealing your bodies differently.
Yes.
Would you see her as more trying to go out for attention versus me being more modest, even though we're wearing the exact same shirt, exact same outfit?
Would you view us differently?
I mean, I'll be honest.
I make judgments about like how there's chicks that wear shirts where their tits are just like popping out.
And I'm like, all right, you're trying to get some dick tonight.
And, you know, there's a lot of guys that are into that and they're going to see that and they're going to try and smash.
And then there's going to be dudes that are turned off from it.
You know, you're also asking guys that are in a different stage of their lives than like college dudes.
Like a lot of college dudes are going to be all over that.
You know, if I see that, I'm like, yeah, I'm good.
Like, I personally, I want to be with a woman who doesn't share everything that she has with the entire world.
You know, like I want that to be special for me, you know?
So when you were, when you were our age, like when you were like 20, 21, like a little bit younger, would you say that you felt like when you were in college, would you say that you did look, you didn't look down upon that stuff when you were in college?
Yeah, when I, I mean, when I was 18, like I knew the girls that I wanted, I didn't really care what they were wearing.
There were girls that wore like on Halloween, for example, very slutty costumes.
Halloween, uh-oh.
Yeah, there were girls that wore very slutty costumes.
And like when I was 18, I didn't care, right?
When I was like 21, 22, I started to look at it differently.
Got it.
Because at that point, I'd had like a serious relationship and I knew like I'm not just trying to hook up with chicks willy-nilly like I was when I was younger.
I want like a serious girlfriend.
And I don't know.
So it comes with maturity.
It comes with being more mature.
Yeah, when I was younger, I mean, I had my couple nights out in IV here and there.
Oh, yeah.
A couple here and there.
Even, you know, even though back then, even when I was younger, I was never into drinking, not big into, not super into partying, but I'd go out a bit.
And yeah, I'd see a girl if she was just hot.
She was hot.
Like, to me, it's not so much I'm like super judging them.
Again, I think you should dress however you want.
You're free to do it.
Just for me, it's, I mean, it is a bit of a judgment call because for a long-term relationship, and you know, there's girls closer to my age, I'm 33, that are, you know, mid-20s, late 20s, early 30s.
They're still at the club Friday, Saturday.
And to me, I'm just, I'm not going to get, I'm probably not going to take her seriously.
If she's willing to stop, if she's in a relationship with me, but I'm probably like, if she's not going to stop, then I'm, there's no way if it's predetermined on a Friday or Saturday night, she's going to a bar or club.
That's a wrap for, like, I'm not going to.
I feel the same about that.
And it's part of that is just it's also just, I don't go to bars and clubs.
So I'd want like a similarity there with my partner.
I have a question with that.
I'm just interested because I think it's cool and unique that you aren't like, you know, most of the other population that goes out to bars and clubs.
What's your reasoning behind not wanting to do those things?
There's a couple reasons.
A couple reasons.
That's a very good question.
It is.
I was like, so, and this was even, you know, I went out a bit when I was younger, but I was never like, Friday, Saturday, every night, let's get tanked.
You know, when I did drink, it would be one or two drinks max typically.
There's like maybe, I can probably less than five times I've been properly drunk.
Properly.
Proper drunk.
Never blacked out or anything like that.
And, you know, so I've been to bars and clubs and parties and all that stuff.
But the reason is, is that, well, there's a few.
One, I'm more introverted.
And it's very, there's, it's super hectic.
There's a lot of people.
It's very loud.
It can be so loud that you can get permanent hearing loss when you go to one of these super loud nightclubs or bars.
They blast the volume.
And I don't know if any of you have been in a scenario and loud party, loud club, you have ringing in your ear for a little bit afterwards.
That can actually be permanent damage.
It's called tinnitus.
So that's one of the reasons.
All right, Brian, I'm never going out again.
I'm never going out.
But the other reason, I mean, there's people smoking.
People are super drunk.
The drinks are incredibly expensive.
To me, it's super loud.
You can't even have a conversation with someone.
So, and I don't dance.
I don't dance any better than a kangaroo.
Never?
No, I hate dancing.
I refuse to dance.
I will not dance while I'm not getting married.
So I refuse to dance.
Well, let me just finish this.
But let me see.
The other reasons.
Yeah, drinking is just incredibly expensive.
And then there's just the threat of violence at bars and nightclubs, which is a real, it's a risk for women, but it's a much greater risk for men.
I'm sure you guys have seen people getting their fucking face smashed in in Isla Vista.
Yeah.
My first night ever out in Isla Vista, I saw a guy get slashed in the face with a knife.
Damn, my friend.
I've seen some crazy shit.
Are you serious?
I've seen some crazy shit.
Was he okay?
No, he had to go to the hospital.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, there's some weird stuff around here.
When people drink, and a lot of these guys aren't getting any, they're angry.
Like, people just get into fights.
People are drunk.
So it's a safety thing.
I've seen people get stabbed on State Street at the bars.
I've seen a lot of shit, and I've seen it firsthand.
So to me, a lot of shit goes down and like a lot of violence, not fights, like violence goes down.
Yo, so we have some people pissed that we're not getting to the super chats.
Also, my buddy, we'll get to the super chats.
Just dropped a super chat.
I was wondering if we could get to that.
I don't know.
He's up at the top.
Yeah, we'll do the channel.
Well, we'll let's try to get through it.
$30.
I don't even think.
Let's get some super chats going here.
My buddy Jordan said, wait, pull that back up.
Pull that back up.
All right, my buddy Jordan said Chase is an absolute skill guy.
Thank you, brother.
You're a skill guy too.
It takes a skill guy to know a skill guy.
Question for you all.
What do you think about looking through your significant other's phone?
Is it okay to do, and how would you feel if they said no?
Quick answers, guys.
Quick answers.
I don't think it's okay.
No.
I don't think it's okay.
And have you ever?
No.
I have.
I don't think it's okay.
I've only done it once.
I don't think it's okay unless you have like a really, really valid reason to do it.
But by really valid, I don't mean like a suspicion.
I mean like, like just, I don't know, like you like caught them cheating and you want to see if it's been persisting.
I'm saying no, it's not okay unless it's warranted.
I'm going to say no, it's not okay because in a relationship, I'd want trust and both mutual.
I agree, but if there is a warranted reason, then that's valid.
I mean, I have nothing to hide.
Yeah, if there's a warranted reason to, you probably shouldn't be there in the first place.
If it got to the point where, like, hey, I need to look through this person's phone, it's probably over, and you probably already know what you need to know.
Exactly.
Yeah, I disagree with doing it, but like you guys said, if you catch your significant other doing some shit and you have like hard evidence that they're doing something, it's worth looking into.
But there's a lot of neurotic people out there who are like, let me look through your phone.
And I think that's just awful and terrible.
I'm going to answer this really quick because I have an interesting one on this.
Eric, can you just stand up really quick and just hit the autofocus button on this camera?
Hold it for like a second.
Do you know which button it is?
Zavi firing shots, dude.
Zavi said, my man in the gray wants to lead the household because he's insecure in his manhood.
Oh, it's the circle button.
Oh, wait.
Did you get it?
Zavi.
Maybe I shouldn't have done that.
I want to lead my household because we're in a spiritual war.
Are you pressing the right one?
Okay.
That's fine.
We're in a spiritual war, and Eve was the one that ate of the apple first.
All right, did you have a to answer the question?
I actually had an experience the first time I hung out with the girl.
No, she looked through my phone.
I know.
The first time.
She came.
Well, I met her out, and then she came over to my place, hooked up, and then she looked through my phone.
And I went to the bathroom.
So that's when she looked at it.
I came back and she was pissed because she saw the shit that was on the phone.
And then I kicked her out because I was like, the fuck?
Damn it.
And then I dated her for five years.
Okay, so don't do that, guys.
Was that a joke?
I'm dead serious.
Was that a joke?
I'm dead serious.
She's crazy.
Can you just, really quickly, the logic behind the dating for five years after her checking your phone?
Well, I just kicked her out and then she apologized.
And I was like, it was a very sincere apology.
How sincere can you be?
And then she did that shit like probably a dozen more times.
I broke up with her a dozen more times.
This is not the norm for me, but it was an on-again, off-again relationship.
She was that hot.
She was hot, huh?
She must have been BPD and borderline personality disorder.
So she was crazy and hot.
And that's all I'm going to say.
Okay, next super chat.
Mike, don't, by the way, guys, don't date women with BPD.
I wasn't planning on it.
We need Mr. Organic to roast the girl in the brown cami about what she brings to the table.
Pull up the clip, Brian.
I don't, you know what, Mike Davis?
We don't have the clip.
I'm sorry.
Sorry, buddy.
Okay.
Oh, well, fine.
We'll do this one.
By the way, just remember, 20 and up, guys.
I know this came in.
This came in when it was 10 in the green on seeking arrangements.
Have you ever been on seeking arrangements?
I have never been.
You know what?
Is it possible for someone to take your picture and put it on there?
Because that has happened to me multiple times.
Like Instagram accounts have been made of me where it's not me, obviously, but my Instagram posts are all on this Instagram.
And it's like, it's like, follow me, like OnlyFans, like whatever.
And I'm like, what?
I'm like, what in the world?
So I might be on there, but it wasn't for me.
It could be.
That's kind of like a bad thing.
Mike Davis with the $5 super chat takes shot every time pink checkered girl says like roasted.
That's a good one.
That was a good one.
You got Shaheen Koheni with a $5 Super Chat.
White shirt, Sarah Donanne.
Maybe you'd like to sacrifice five years of your career if you want kids.
Okay.
We've got to get through these.
My man in the gray wants to leave the household because he's insecure in his manhood.
Edward Schoenfield, $10 Super Chat.
Outside of indoctrination, how do these women rationalize their sexual preference relating to tall men?
I feel like there's a lot of frustration coming from Edward Scornfield.
I feel like he's projecting some of that frustration onto women.
Be nice.
Be nice, though, because he's our patron.
He's a good dude.
He's funding the podcast.
Yeah, Edward, dude, we really appreciate the questions, but I don't feel like women have to rationalize their sexual preference relating to tall men.
I don't know.
I mean, he did ask.
Do you guys want to answer that question?
So I guess is the question, why are you attracted to wives?
Why are you attracted to tall men?
You can't control what you're attracted to.
In the same way that men are attracted to women with a low body count.
But okay, why do you like it?
It's not the same thing about it.
Well, I think one of them stems from like a fundamental thing and then the other one's just like biology.
Wait, I think which one biology is.
Which one is which?
I don't agree.
I think one is a social construct and the other is a physical trait.
Height is a social constraint.
So one of the points.
No, that's a physical constraint.
Height is a physical trait.
It's not a social construct.
It is.
It's not.
It is.
This is something.
Okay, I understand your point.
This is something that has been valued throughout all of human history in almost every culture that's ever existed.
And the reason why, Andrew Tate has made this point, and I think it's a very valid point.
Wait, one second.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Hold on.
It's a very valid point, okay?
One of the reasons why virgins have been prized throughout human history.
Oh, let's not get into this.
Hold on.
One of the reasons.
No, let's go into it.
One of the reasons why.
No, Bad time.
Bad time.
Everybody has to say.
Yeah, please, please.
I want to hear that.
I want to hear what you're saying.
Wait, virgins?
Why are you guys so triggered by this?
Can we play the video?
Wait, one of the reasons why is because if you have a woman who's a whore and she's sleeping with hundreds of dudes, relax.
It's okay.
Yeah, we can.
Yes, you can.
Yes, we can.
Because there's a lot of women out there who are whores.
And there's even more men out there that are even bigger whores.
Well, there are wrongs.
But whores is a derogatory term.
In my opinion, hold on.
There are literally whores.
Like women who identify themselves as whores?
No, women who prostitute.
Prostitute.
Yeah.
So how would you define whore?
Okay.
Well, there's a hoe.
Chicks that are ran through.
Chicks that have slept with 50, 100, 150.
So what would the number be, though?
Because if a girl has slept with 20 guys, right?
Would she be a whore?
It's going to be different for every guy.
It's going to be different for everybody.
If she did it within a month of losing her virginity, yes.
That's a lot.
That's basically what her name is.
You just said it's a lot.
You just said it's a lot, right?
That's a fact.
So you agree.
In my personal standards, yes, but maybe in other people's standards, it might not be.
20 people.
I mean, most dudes are going to look at a woman who slept with 20 guys in a month and they're going to think that she's a whore.
Probably 99% of dudes.
Yeah, would not date a woman that's not.
The original point, though, about why virgins, virginity was something that was important throughout human history is because if you have a woman that's sleeping with a bunch of dudes, let's say you get her pregnant, right?
You're not going to know who got her pregnant.
She might say that you got her pregnant and it might have been another guy that got her pregnant.
And this is why chastity is something that's been so prized throughout human history.
And before there were DNA tests, there was no way to tell who the father was of a child, okay?
And so this is why it's, it's, is it a social construct?
Yes, but evolutionary.
Is it a social construct that has extreme value?
Absolutely.
I have to disagree with you on this one.
I think that if you're going to bring up virginity and that whole thing in history, I think that it stems from the patriarch and men wanting to marry women.
It's that person.
The patriarchy.
Okay, hold on.
Now you have to tell us what the society built by men for men.
Articulate what the patriarchy is.
A society built by men for men.
And that's why women, that's why it was fine for a man not to be a virgin.
Sure, you can say pregnancy, whatever.
But nobody cared about a man's chastity.
Nobody cares about it now.
Well, actually, that's absolutely not true.
For Christianity.
For the past 2,000 years, people have absolutely cared about male chastity.
It's been less highly valuable.
Well, I have a question.
Western civilization for the past 2,000 years has been a Christian civilization.
And in cultures that have been Christian, they absolutely value male chastity.
Now, that's not the norm.
That hasn't been the norm, but it's not fair to say nobody cares about it.
Chase, let me just have a look at it.
I'm going to go back forth here on the patriarchy.
Okay, so you said that the patriarchy is just repeated again.
What is the patriarchy?
society built by men for men and historically that's you're asserting that that was something that historically existed or persists till today I think that there are definitely still undertones of it in society today because it existed before.
So it's a society built by men for men.
So how?
What do you mean how?
Nick articulate centuries.
Men built this country.
Like women have never had a founding fathers of America.
Why hasn't there been a society built by women?
Because people have thought that women are too emotional to take charge.
Like people have always said that a woman can't be president because she's too emotional.
That has been like that.
That was what people thought.
You can read things about it.
You can look at historical documents.
But what does their gender have to do with it?
It's the attitudes that have been reflected on to women for years.
So do you disagree with the idea that on average women tend to be more emotional than men do?
Yes.
Yes.
I've dealt with some men that act like toddlers.
Some men.
Okay.
Some majority.
Yes.
Okay.
Are you saying that you think women are on average more emotional?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Yeah, they're absolutely more emotional.
There's no question about it.
There's no question about it.
The most emotional.
I'm not going to.
I have no comment on that one.
I grew up with a mother and a grandmother who were extremely emotional people.
Let me have a back and forth, though, on patriarchy here.
So you've asserted that the patriarchy exists to this day.
I need you to give me a few reasons how or why.
Are you disagreeing that there's a patriarchy?
I do, but I disagree with that statement.
You have to define it.
Okay, Hannah.
A society built by men for men.
Okay, you've defined it.
Oh, hold on.
Okay, but our society- Let me, hold on.
You've defined it.
You've defined it.
But you have not provided evidence for its existence.
I'm opening it up to you, please.
Well, recently, I know you two are probably going to have an opinion about this.
Roe v. Wade was overturned.
That actually created an equality between men and women.
How?
Because men aren't the ones being punished.
Like, a man can...
Okay, do you realize that?
Men...
Men have zero reproductive rights.
Okay, yeah, but men also can impregnate as many women as they want.
Whereas women, women can only get pregnant once in nine months.
Men can impregnate thousands of women in nine months.
And they're not the ones that are being punished, and they're not the ones that are stuck to being carried to germ with a baby.
That means a whole nother life.
If a man doesn't want a child, he can certainly be punished.
What do you mean by that?
Child support?
A man does not have a choice in either scenario.
If a woman wants to keep it and he wants to get rid of it, he doesn't have a choice.
If she wants, what is the other?
And the inverse is true, too.
I think we should rewind for a second.
You just used Roe v. Wade as an example of the patriarchy.
Yes.
I know more women that support the overturning of Roe v. Wade than I know men.
That's probably because of the community you're part of.
That's also because of your background.
You're right.
It is.
But this isn't just a symbol of the patriarchy.
This is the overturning of Roe v. Wade.
This isn't just a male-dominated thing.
Okay.
Amy Coney Barrett also voted to overturn it.
Okay.
That's a good point.
That's a good point.
Is she the patriarchy?
Okay, but here's the thing: is that you cannot tell somebody what they have to do with their body.
You can't tell me that I need to go have a kid right now if I get pregnant.
Like, you cannot tell me what to do with my body medically.
I don't agree with that.
They simply don't.
Okay.
And I don't think...
This is going to get heated.
I don't think a woman has the right to murder the child that she chose to create through sex.
Okay, so maybe we shouldn't be talking about this.
No, no, no, no.
What if she was raped?
Because she had no choice in that.
That's a good question.
That's less than that.
Hold on.
Everybody, this is an important question.
That's a really important question.
Okay.
That is less than 1% of abortions.
95% of abortions are abortions of convenience.
And what that means is women had consensual sex and they decided after the fact that they just didn't want to keep the child.
Okay?
That's different from rape.
And in cases like that, this isn't somebody forcing a woman to have a child.
Yes, it is.
That is literally what it is.
Sex has consequences.
And when you have sex, you are risking the possibility of conceiving a child.
Are you not?
I agree with that, but I feel like you cannot force somebody to do something.
That is the main point of this.
You cannot force somebody to do something with their body that they do not want to do.
Okay.
I don't know how much we want to talk about the abortion issue just because it's very.
I think it's a fruitful discussion.
I think this is an important discussion.
I think it is important.
I'll just give my take.
I don't want to give my take.
No, give your take on abortion.
want to hear your take Brian so as it okay it's a kind of nuanced take though It's going to take me at least two minutes to explain it.
We would love to hear it.
Okay, so I.
The arguments of people who are pro-life are not so easily dismissed.
However, I would say that I'm probably going to lose some viewers, whatever I say.
I would say I'm pro-choice.
But I would say that just.
Abortion is clearly wrong.
It's clearly wrong.
But not everything that is wrong should be illegal.
So, and this is kind of where I get into crazy territory.
I think that we should be, and this is, I think, maybe me running the center too much.
We need to develop an artificial womb.
That way both sides can be happy.
If a woman wants to get an artificial womb, so y'all can, if you want an abortion, you can get it, but the baby can survive.
That is the compromise I think is fair.
And I also think we should have, honestly, I think we should have free birth control.
I think we should have robust sexual education.
And I think people should stop fucking around so much.
That's right.
I have a question.
People need to take accountability for their actions.
Straight up.
Right there.
Take accountability for your actions.
Also, I guess in a way I would say them pro-choice because like look you guys want to kill your bloodline off and totally like knock off any of your you know any personal responsibility fucking go for it.
But it's wrong.
Like there's no way that you can morally say like if you were to let that kid grow up like in your womb it's gonna pop out and in 18 years 19 years 20 years it'd be sitting across the table just like we are.
It's wrong.
If you guys want to go do that That's your prerogative, but there's no getting away from it.
That's wrong that's a human being and that people should take responsibility for their actions.
I respect that you think that.
I'm going to run the center.
I think you also respect people's choice.
I think that it's wrong, but people are going to make arguments.
I want to just run the center a little bit here.
I think what I don't like to say, I know you want to come in here, Chase.
I don't like to see either side strawmanning the other side.
I think the pro-choice side makes a bodily autonomy argument.
And then the pro-life side, the thing that you have to, the thing that you're going to, the argument that you're going to have to make to convince pro-lifers to be pro-choice is you're going to have to convince them that upon conception, that's not a life.
You're going to have to, because they genuinely think that it is a life at conception.
They think that that's a life worth protecting, and they believe it's murder.
So you're going to have to convince them that it's not murder.
That's the challenge you're up against.
It's not about controlling women's bodies.
It's not even a religious thing because there's many atheists who are pro-life.
So I'm just trying to run center here.
That is what you're up against when you're talking to someone who's pro-life.
These guys can make arguments that aren't based in religion.
Okay, sorry.
Sorry, go ahead.
I also have something I want to say too.
You can go first, but I just want to make it known.
I have something I need to say about this.
Please go ahead.
Okay, it's just frustrating that you keep on interrupting people.
But I've been interrupted like 20 times in this conversation.
It's a conversation.
It's fine.
Go ahead, go ahead.
Anyways, I was going to say, like, I do think, like, whatever.
Like, I think that it could be argued that it's a life.
Like, technically, it's zygotes.
And, like, I don't know.
Like, when you masturbate, you're killing babies.
No.
It's a bit different.
I'm a kid.
It is a bit very different.
It's like, they don't, they're not, like, sentient yet.
Like, I don't know.
It argues, like, that's not the argument.
But basically, I'm just trying to say, like, I respect people's religions, but I don't think that like religious people, just because they have a religion, I don't think that gives them the right to like tell people to like make rules based on this religion.
Like, it's not uniform, you know?
You're right.
You're right.
And I completely agree with that as a Christian.
Okay.
And a big part of this discussion for me isn't like pushing my Christian beliefs on the rest of society.
Obviously, there's a motivation there as a Christian because of what I believe in what Brian was saying about life at conception.
Part of this, though, is about the physical pain that's caused to unborn children in second and third trimester abortions.
I agree that I don't think that abortions should also account for a very low percentage of abortions.
You're right.
You're right.
It's the same argument that you made when you were like 95% are not rape cases.
You can apply that to this as well.
So I don't think that that's an argument we should discuss.
Wrong, because you said you don't have the right to tell people what to do with their bodies.
And there's a lot of people in this country who believe I should be able to have abortions all the way up until the day of delivering the child.
Even post-happy children.
I don't think so.
People, most of the reason that people get to the point of the case is that they're not going to be able to do that.
They personally don't want to go through post-holy cases.
There's laws being passed in the country to legalize this.
This has already been legalized in different states.
And so for me, part of this discussion, I use that example of late-term abortions because part of this discussion is you're saying, women say it's my body, it's my choice.
You have no right to tell me what to do with my body.
Women say it's my body, my choice.
You have no right to say what women do with their body, right?
Okay.
I also don't think anybody has the right to harm an unborn child, to murder it, to do anything like that.
And that child, that being doesn't have a say in this conversation.
And this country specifically was founded to secure life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for every American.
But we're not doing that for Americans in the womb.
Everybody's just saying that they're not people.
People were pressuring my mom to have her abort me because she conceived me out of wedlock and I wasn't going to have a dad in my life.
They pressured my mom to abort me.
I never had a say in the conversation.
Thankfully she kept me, but if she had aborted me, I wouldn't be here.
And I'm a person, right?
Who's speaking up for these unborn kids?
Nobody.
You guys just look at them like they're not even people.
A lot of people are because Roe v. Wade just got overturned.
So I think a lot of people are speaking up for unborn people.
Yes, we all are.
But you guys think that you guys just have the right to do whatever you want to these unborn people.
And I think that's wrong.
I feel like I have the right to do anything I want to my body.
But do you have the right to do anything you want to another person's body?
I don't believe it's another person's body if it's living inside me.
Why?
Because it's inside.
I think it's kind of like a parasite.
It's literally growing off of me.
What about you taking responsibility for like what you did?
Yes.
For what happened?
I can understand that.
Because I have sex.
You chose to create a human being.
It's not a parasite.
It's a human being.
Okay, wait.
I would like to ask you a question, Chase, just out of curiosity.
So you mentioned and you shared, and thank you for sharing, that like you were, your mother was pressured to get an abortion, correct?
And you were happy and you grew up happy from what I've seen or just what you've told me.
What about the millions of kids who are born and have no family thrown into the system grown up in dangerous situations?
Do you think that, just out of curiosity, I'm not saying like whether I agree or disagree, but like do you think that they should still be brought into this world if they're put in dangerous situations?
It's a good question.
It's a complex question, obviously.
What I know is that there's a lot of people in America who want to adopt kids.
And it's often very difficult and very expensive to adopt kids because of, I don't know, whatever fucked up system we have created here.
What would be most ideal would be for those kids to be able to be easily adopted by families that love them, that want to put them in a good situation.
And I don't think, this is a point that a lot of my Christian friends make.
I don't think two wrongs make a right.
Like there's a lot of kids that are born into quote-unquote dangerous situations who end up flourishing in life and they live very healthy, successful lives against all the odds.
You know what I'm saying?
And to just like discount all those kids and say, oh, there's no way that they could live a healthy, happy life.
Like, I think that's wrong.
And I think that I think that, yeah, we should make it easier to adopt kids because there's a lot of kids in this country who are born into shitty situations that could probably have better situations and there's barriers to it, you know?
So do you support putting funding into programs that would make the system better and make it more safe?
Like supporting We spend hundreds of billions of dollars a year on the dumbest, most useless shit.
We've sent Ukraine like, what, $60 billion north of that?
We've sent another country so much money when we have kids here in America who are starving, who are below the poverty line, who aren't in good situations.
I think that there's so much money to go around.
We printed trillions and trillions of dollars over the past couple of years.
If we're talking about where to put our money in America, I think if we're going to build a pro-life country, we should be looking at the kids who need it most.
Yeah, Americans should eat first and we should take care of especially our younger generation.
How do you pronounce that dude's name?
By the way, what, what?
Shaheen Koeni?
Guys, we've been talking about the abortion thing for about 10 minutes now, so we should probably move on.
But I do appreciate the debate.
It was good.
Thank you.
I think we should all be able to have a conversation about these difficult topics.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, I do want to bring it back to what got us there, though, which is the patriarchy.
So, can you give me some other examples?
Other examples of how we live in a patriarchy today.
Oh gosh, what's the statistic?
I don't know what the statistic is.
Isn't there a statistic?
Well, I think that, okay, I think what she's trying to say with the patriarchy, I've taken a lot of like history classes and just sociology classes, that kind of thing.
So I've actually learned a lot about it.
Ah, okay.
I wasn't trying to show up there.
I think that our society since God knows how long ago, it has been a male-ran society.
I mean, there's been so many instances.
I mean, think about it.
Like the whole stereotype of women stays at home, man, like works, like blah, blah, blah.
You know, men go to war, women stay and kind of take care of the kids.
In my opinion, that's patriarchy because that's kind of giving the men like this like higher role and like higher position in society.
And I think that as society is progressing, it's becoming more progressive and women are kind of, you know, the whole feminist movement, that kind of thing.
But I think you can't deny that throughout history, women have been oppressed.
You could also kind of go.
I would say, I don't think we should gender it, though.
I think throughout history, men and women have been oppressed.
It's really the apex fallacy.
The patriarchy theory is the apex fallacy.
You have a very, very small proportion of people at the very top, which oppress everyone, both men and women.
But you don't think that there's, so are you, just to make your point.
I reject.
I reject this idea of the patriarchy theory.
Do you support the idea of, do you support the idea of women have been oppressed in society?
I think both men and women have been oppressed.
And I can actually, this is going to be the hot take here.
No, hold on.
I can actually make an argument that men have been more oppressed.
Please make your argument right now, please.
State your case, Brian.
Let me ask you a question.
Just hear your mouth.
Just hear your mouth.
No, let me ask you a question.
I'm hearing you out right now.
So throughout all human history, and I think that, you know what, this one probably squashes any grievance that I think women could conceivably come up with.
Throughout all human history, what percentage would you say of military casualties if you had to break it up between the genders?
What is the percentage breakdown of military casualties?
Well, obviously.
Obviously, a significantly more amount of men.
99.999%.
But that's also because that's also because in the past, women have not been allowed to fight in the military.
That is a privilege.
Do you think if women had been allowed?
Hold on, guys.
Do you think if women had been allowed to join the military, they would be signing up in droves to get put through the meat grinder of war?
Well, it's also men literally want to be in it.
Like, so many men.
Someone, one of my guy friends told me, actually, that all men at some point in their lives fantasize about being in the military.
You're right.
A lot of men do.
A lot of men do are attracted to war.
However, this hasn't been a consensual thing throughout human history.
Throughout human history, you've had so many emperors and kings that literally just will send soldiers to your house.
They say, all right, Tanner.
Even in Ukraine, right now, going on.
Ukraine, right now, people are getting forced to fight in this war.
Men weren't allowed to leave the country in Ukraine.
You realize this?
Women were allowed to leave the country.
Men were not allowed to leave the country in Ukraine because they were forced to go to the front lines right into the meat grinder of war.
They were forced to die.
This is not something that's happened to women throughout human history.
But women haven't given the opportunity to.
I mean, nobody, I mean, you can make the argument that how many women would, right?
Like, that's a good argument.
But then you could also say women were not allowed to enlist.
All right, so World War III starts tomorrow.
How many of you are enlisting?
Enlisting willingly?
Yep.
Probably wouldn't, but if they told me I had to go, I'd go.
Suck it up.
My family.
You wouldn't have a choice.
Yeah.
You wouldn't have a choice.
Her point is that women haven't had the option, so that's why it was all.
It's also, I actually come from a military family, like, my whole life, and, um, sorry, I lost my train of thought.
That's okay.
That's all right.
My point was just simply that you guys are right.
Almost all societies throughout history have been male-dominated.
But a very small percentage.
It's by a very tiny percentage of men at the top who brutally oppress the majority of the men below them throughout society as well.
And yes, women have gotten the raw end of the stick too, but like dudes have had it bad as well for a long time.
And we've had more rights in terms of property and speech and stuff like that and voting, but it's been pretty bad for dudes for a long time.
Those are big deals.
Like those are legal issues that women didn't have rights to.
And now we're taking away.
Women couldn't vote.
Remember that?
I do.
Yeah.
I was alive back then.
What do you think about that?
Wait, about what?
Do you think that women, do you, if you lived back then, right, would you support women not voting?
Do you think that that's right and just?
Do you think that that's a decision for the men to make that women are not competent enough to vote?
Because that's what it was.
So actually, Eric, can you pull up?
There's an infographic.
Okay.
Eric, there's an infographic on this.
Yes, I know women can vote.
Now I'm talking about like however many years in history.
That's an important question.
Chris, go into the infographics.
Brian wants to move on to something else, but it's important.
No, no, no, it's related to the voting thing.
So, I mean, what's your question?
Should women not have been allowed to vote?
She's asking if we think we should repeal the 19th.
That's what she's asking.
No.
I'm kidding.
No.
No.
Wait.
Okay.
Go into podcast.
Go into infographics.
Okay.
And then you're going to see one voting.
It's the first one.
Pull that over.
Okay.
And then F11.
Did you say why did we bring up Ukraine?
Okay, go window mode for us.
Oh, bring back OBS so we can see.
Just didn't say that.
Sorry, guys, one sec.
We're pulling up an infographic here on voting.
Is this an accurate infographic coming from an accurate source?
I'm not sure if it's been fact-checked by Bill Gates' fact-checkers.
Okay.
So this is F11, Eric?
Okay.
So, yeah, there you go.
So percentage of population age 21 or over-eligible to vote.
This is in the UK.
So, but, I mean, it, what, okay.
So this is like pretty, you know, I'd say amongst Western countries, this is pretty much the case.
So you'll notice before like the mid-1800s, it was pretty much a very small proportion of men had the vote.
This concept of voting is an incredibly new concept.
Before that, it was just tyrants.
You had kings, queens.
They're the ones who had power.
A very, very small amount of people had power.
Yes, there is a bit of a discrepancy there from about the 1800s to the early 1900s.
But there is actually a reason for that.
One of the reasons is because, and I think we've seen it.
So if you want to just go ahead and bring it back, Eric, one of the reasons for, oh, you need to go F11 in this stream yard window, Eric.
Thank you.
One of the discrepancies or one of the reasons for that is because men were the only ones that were subject to military conscription.
So the way that men got the right to vote before women is we had to go in the fucking trenches and die.
And we had a say we got the right to vote and elect a representative who would be potentially making the decision if we went to war.
Women, even to this day in 2022, they're not required to, you have to register, as a man, you have to register with a selective service to this state.
We are still subject in 2022 to the military draft.
So that's the big thing.
That's one of the reasons why we got the vote before y'all, because we had to fucking go and potentially die for our country.
Women were able to secure the vote without the corresponding responsibilities and duties.
So you actually got, when it comes to voting, you guys actually have an advantage over men.
It was never about equality.
You got preferential treatment in actuality.
Because none of you are subject to the draft, even today.
But what if some women are subject to the draft?
There are men alive today that were subject to the draft.
They went to the Vietnam War.
Well, they're alive today.
So some of them came back.
They have probably serious psychological issues.
A lot of them are homeless.
A lot of them just didn't come back and they're dead.
Now, there hasn't been a draft in a long time, but we're still subject to it.
And the way the world's going, it's certainly plausible that we could see.
I mean, we see what happened in Ukraine.
Do you think that there's a World War III brewing?
I don't know, but it's...
No comment.
Even if...
Even if war isn't likely, if we don't register with a selective service, we can potentially face criminal prosecution.
Is there going to be a draft?
Do you think that there's a possible draft that could be?
I mean, I'm just asking out of pure curiosity.
100%.
The military can't find enough able-bodied people right now.
Interesting.
Because it's still volunteer service right now, and they're struggling to hit their numbers.
My dad always says this, but I asked him this question the other day.
I said, is it possible to, is it possible for there to be another draft?
And he told me he doesn't think so just because of like the, you know, the new way of fighting is just kind of like, it's very technology-based.
I mean, I might be wrong, but.
Gen 5 warfare.
Right.
And so wouldn't that require less troops because it's there's still going to be a draft.
I mean.
You still need troops for a lot of stuff.
Like if you're going in, you can do a lot of warfare using automated vehicles or robots or whatever it is.
But if you're going into another country, like you're going to need boots on the ground.
No, it's just me not knowing anything.
So this is appreciative of the information.
Yeah, no.
And I personally think World War III is brewing.
There's a lot of stuff brewing in the world right now.
Are you scared?
No, I have faith in God.
Valid answer, okay.
I mean, if you want to talk about systemic oppression, to this day, men are systemically oppressed by the selective service.
I know you're smiling, but the fact of the matter is a really important point.
If there was a war, we would be drafted and you guys would be exempt.
And you are exempt from having to register with a selective person.
Can I have another example other than the draft?
No, systemic.
We're more likely to be victims of police killings and police shootings and police brutality.
We're more likely to be incarcerated.
We're more likely to delete ourselves.
We're less likely to get sponsorships for college.
We're less likely to go to college.
More likely to be homeless.
That's a few.
Okay, can I say something really quick?
Sure.
A lot of those things, like I'm not saying they're not struggles because they are.
I'm just saying that like a lot of those struggles are because like people in power just take men more seriously.
And I think that like women's problems.
More seriously.
We are the disposable sex.
Yes.
Men are the disposable sex.
Women are valued.
Women go to war, get killed, be a warcorps.
Yep.
But they labor for us.
It's no secret that men are just physically more like capable than women.
Well, that's part of the reason these lights are on.
That's part.
Different discussion.
That's part of it.
That's part of it.
But the other thing.
Don't get it.
You're looking at this.
Hold on, guys.
You're looking at this through the lens of oppression.
Okay.
You're looking at this like, okay, men throughout history haven't taken women seriously enough to put them on the battlefield, right?
Well, the other side of the coin is that women have been highly valued throughout history for their ability to bear children and everything else that you guys can do that men can't do.
You guys are very highly valued for that.
That's why today we're still the dudes that get tossed into the meat grinder and you guys are protected from the fray, okay?
Childbearing women have been extremely valuable throughout almost all of human history because without you guys, the race, the culture, the civilization, the tribe can't go on.
We're expendable.
Yeah, but that's the thing.
It's like people only value women because of their fertility.
Like they don't value their intellect.
They don't value your female.
It's not just valued for your fertility.
What do you value men for?
It's not that you're just valued for your fertility.
That's an incredible thing to be valued for.
Like you guys have something that men don't.
Well, it would be nice to walk into a classroom and have like all the guys actually listen to me for once.
Because personally, I don't know about you guys, but every time I've tried to say something in class where it's predominantly male, mostly in like my science classes and stuff.
Especially STEM, very much STEM.
You get talked over.
People don't look at you the same.
They don't take you seriously.
They don't.
And as a man, you'll never understand that.
People don't take seriously.
I'm sorry to hear that.
No, yeah.
That's nothing they want to do.
That's unfortunately like super understand.
But I can guarantee you a lot of women feel that same exact way.
But once you graduate, once you graduate and you have a, what are you studying?
Psych and brain science.
Psych and brain science.
I mean, there's actually affirmative action for women in STEM programs in the education system and also for hiring.
If you're a computer scientist, software engineer, and you're a woman, you're getting a job.
I think that's great.
That's a huge advantage for me.
But it's still not the attitude that is given to women.
Even though they do, like, I do agree, affirmative action does help and whatever that, it's still the attitudes.
Like, that's what I said when I said there's still undertones of it in our society.
I still feel like women are disrespected by men and looked down upon from my personal experience and from what I've witnessed.
People look down upon all sorts of people.
It's not just women that are looked down upon, like low-value dudes.
It's so widespread.
For low-value.
Yeah, you're right.
But low-value dudes, for example, I bet there's a million dudes that you guys have met and they felt like you guys never gave them the time of day and they'd probably have a complaint about that, you know?
Like it's just part of life, you know?
For instance, think about like a plumber, right?
Like what I was saying about the lights and I didn't get that.
Think the last like woman who is an electrician that you guys met who is a plumber who keeps society rolling in a lot of the just like municipal stuff that we have going on like within our society.
It's all men that are making like sixty thousand dollars a year.
They're working like these blue-collar jobs, um, wading through shit, just finding our telephone calls jobs, the worst stuff you get.
Like, it's not that bad here.
Like, you know, for instance, there was like a huge windstorm here a couple months ago, and there's like linemen right outside my door working on power lines and whatnot.
I guess it's not like that's not too bad, but you think about like, hey, if it's negative 40 out and there's a dude in Montana and like that the heat goes out, there's a dude getting up at three o'clock in the morning and below 40, negative, below zero, who's climbing up that pole, who's like getting power back on so that people have heat and whatnot.
And that's pretty shitty.
And he's also doing that for like $50,000, $60,000 a year.
And I'm sure that's not fair.
I don't know.
I literally do not know a single woman that wants a job like that.
And that stuff is just left to the men.
And it's kind of a raw deal, you know?
Why don't chicks want those jobs?
I want to add a little bit to this.
I don't think we're trying to say that men don't have struggles, but I think the problem is that women also have struggles, and those struggles need to be taken as seriously as men's struggles.
Well, of course, in our society, it just sucks that as women, our struggles aren't taken as seriously.
And a lot has changed, but like it's still not completely equal.
Actually, I think women's struggles are taken far more seriously than men's struggles.
There's almost no discussion about the struggles that men face.
What do you guys think about feminism?
Like, in your guys's opinion?
What is feminism?
Why don't you tell us what you think that is?
It's a great first.
Great counter.
I would say a feminist would be the kind of new generational woman, the kind of feminist movement that you're seeing now, because there's been a lot of feminist movements in history.
I would say the new feminist movement now, I mean, obviously there's extremities of it, but you know, women that are pro-life, for example, women that think that, you know, whatever wage gap is going on needs to be evened out.
Women, just that kind of thing.
So what are your guys' opinions on that?
On modernized feminism?
Should I go first?
Go for it.
Go for it.
So my sense of what feminism is, and you always hear different definitions, and it seems to always shift.
Feminism is a tanner.
Okay, he's just going to the bathroom.
So feminism is a women's advocacy movement.
It's not an equality movement.
Feminism has always been about women's advocacy.
They'll fight for equality only where that equality would stand to benefit women.
If no benefit can be reaped, feminists will not fight for it.
That's my sense of feminism.
It's basically trying to secure preferential treatment.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm an egalitarian.
I believe in equality, but I just cannot be a feminist because the core tenant of feminist is the patriarchy theory.
And also feminism is just clearly anti-male.
It's clearly anti-male in its ideology.
Yeah.
Well, I also just think that like the definition, like the actual definition of feminism is just that like you believe that women and men should have the same rights.
Like I don't think like behind all the other stuff, like if you're just looking at the definition of the word, like that's what I believe it is.
It's not that I believe women should be superior to men.
I just think that they should be equal.
So if that's how we're, if that's how we're defining it, I like that definition.
I like that definition.
The word feminism, though, has so much stuff attached to it.
Like that we're straight white males trying to oppress women with our opinions and that we're evil and we are the patriarchy and God.
You're a pretty evil guy.
You mean that?
You're pretty evil.
I'm thinking, bro.
What time is it?
I have places to be, bro.
Sorry.
It is getting late.
We have an.
It's 10.
We should.
Bruh, okay.
Lauren.
She's getting a little angry.
I'm sorry.
I'm not getting angry.
I'm just like, I just don't, this isn't like productive.
Like, you're not going to change my opinion.
I'm not going to change yours.
Like, there's no point in the world.
I'm in the egalitarian.
There's differences between us that we're never going to be able to understand.
Like, for instance, so I'm the only boy like in my family.
I have an older sister and a younger sister that I love a lot.
And, you know, they're both very beautiful.
And they've expressed how they have come across situations where they couldn't walk down like Hollywood Boulevard or something like that without feeling like afraid and getting cat called and then like getting pursued super aggressively and where like they turn them down and then it it turns aggressive and they're like afraid I will never be able to understand that.
Like I won't.
There's a lot of things that you guys will not be able to understand as men that we deal with.
And that's just, you know, it's yin and yang.
That just is what it is.
You know what I mean?
Also, I just want to be really clear.
It's totally okay for you guys to disagree with us.
That's totally fine.
It's encouraged.
There's no ill will towards you guys or anything.
We're just, you know, we're made, this is content, you know, we're just having a debate.
That's how I view it.
Yeah, honestly, like, that's kind of what I just said.
Like, I do think that like we just have different viewpoints.
Like, I respect some of your viewpoints, and I'm sure you respect some of mine, but like, I just think like the point of this conversation, I feel like I'm just getting frustrated because I feel like there's certain blockages that like I will never understand and you will never understand.
It's just we all have different life experiences.
Every single one of us has a different upbringing.
We have different parents, different, just different everything.
And so, I mean, that's the thing about arguments.
It's hard to see the other side when you've had, you know, you were raised a certain way.
You guys were raised a certain way.
We're different genders.
We have different struggles.
So, I mean, we're not invalidating your guys' struggles and you guys aren't invalidating ours.
So I think we can reach the middle ground of maybe not agreeing, but accepting your guys' opinions.
Let me just respond to that.
Like, I feel like we're saying that we have different opinions because we're different genders and that we would never understand, you know, where you guys are coming from.
And it's a valid point.
I would be curious to hear a conversation between you guys and all of the women out there that disagree with modern feminism because there's a lot of them.
And they do have the same lived experiences as you guys.
And they have a lot of arguments against modern feminism.
And a lot of the points that you guys have raised, I think that would be an interesting conversation.
But there's a lot of people that disagree with the points that you've raised as well.
There's always going to be people that disagree.
Yeah, the reason I said it is because you're kind of implying that we're, you guys were implying we're disagreeing because we're a different gender with different lived experiences.
And I'm saying it's not about that.
Well, it is about that.
I mean, you're disagreeing with us because you don't, you're disagreeing with us and we're disagreeing with you because we're different.
Like we have different views.
I want to just ask you.
Right?
You guys, just show of hands.
Do you identify as a feminist?
Yeah.
I would say yes.
Show of hands.
Show of hands.
Does this apply to you guys?
Okay.
Why are you guys changing?
I don't agree with a lot of modern feminism.
I'm not holding up.
That's the definition of the word.
The what?
The definition of the word.
The definition can be provided.
But in practice, in practice, it's totally something different.
Would you guys be open to me challenging you to change your identity?
You identifying from a feminist to an egalitarian?
Explain what an egalitarian is in more detail.
Equality.
That's what feminism is.
But in practice, it's something that's very different.
And the core tenant of feminism is the patriarchy theory.
I agree with the patriarchy.
She agrees with patriarchy.
Is there a word?
Is there like a masculinism?
Is that like a thing?
Like masculinism?
Or like there's men's rights advocacy.
Wait, is there a word for being like the oppression of men?
Like, is that a word?
It's called.
I mean, there's a majority of it.
There's like an opposite equivalent to feminism.
Yeah, that's what I was saying.
Oh, sorry.
Yeah, that's because I was thinking about it.
I would get a word for it.
Because I was going to argue that the reason that the word exists is because women have struggled because they were women.
So I think like, I think that isn't like the same thing.
It should be synonymous with the word egalitarian.
Obviously, people have taken it too far, but like, I'm just saying that's why it exists.
Yeah, I would say that almost the opposite equivalent is like the positive masculinity movement.
Which is, what is it called?
It's just kind of generally what do we think about Andrew Tate, guys?
Well, he's like one of the people in it.
Some people call it the manosphere, but like there's a movement of positive masculinity, and it's focused less, though, on like fighting oppression and more on bringing like the best possible healthiest masculinity into the world to help as many people as possible.
I think that's a great movement.
Like I think that men sure struggles like healthy masculinity.
Obviously like there's a huge reason why you think women are more emotional than men.
It's because women have been more like taught to accept that they're emotional and like acknowledge and deal with their emotions.
But I also think it's because it's not men.
It's a human.
It's not just hormonal.
It is.
Okay, it's not only hormonal.
Obviously there's exceptions.
Like there's some like non-emotional women.
There's some extremely emotional men.
I'm saying that like I think that men like have been conditioned to not like have emotions and I think that is detrimental and contributes to toxic masculinity.
I understand.
No such thing.
I understand there's just toxic people.
I agree with you.
Is there toxic femininity?
Yeah.
Yes.
I just think that there's toxic people.
Why gender it?
Why do we have to gender everything can we?
Because the reason why is there toxic blackness?
What the fuck?
No, no.
No, but you see where I'm going with that.
I'm not saying, I want to make something clear.
I'm not saying there is, but you see how attaching the term toxic to that can almost be in the same way that that would be a racist thing to say.
It's a sexist thing to say that there's toxic masculinity or toxic femininity.
I just think people are toxic.
Toxicity knows no gender.
That's my take.
Okay, I respect that take, but I think that the reason why we attach masculinity onto toxic is because there's no shortage of things that could be toxic.
I'm just saying that by attributing, like by saying toxic masculinity versus just saying toxic, it kind of acknowledges that the reason for this toxicity, this certain type of toxicity, is because of the way of like more masculine, I guess, areas, like the reason how men were shaped.
It's not just by like people being toxic.
It's just saying that like there's a reason why it's called toxic masculinity versus just saying it was toxic.
What are some examples of toxic masculinity?
Like calling guys simps when they're like into their girlfriends, like things like that, you know?
The simp thing is a useful term at times.
Okay.
If you're calling a dude a simp, what about calling a guy a pussy when he's crying?
There's a lot of women that want to like clearly step all over men, right?
And then there's a lot of men that clearly just want to take advantage of women.
Those are the far reaches of both sides.
No if, ands, or buts about it.
Like most people don't fall within those categories, but they're out there and they get the most attention mostly because of how people digest most communication is via social media.
And it's not the moderate views of most people that are going to get the most attention.
It's going to be the people that are on the far reaches because that's going to drive the most attention.
You get the most clickbait, the most hate, and whatnot.
There's a middle ground.
Of course, there's going to be those crazy feminists that are out there that own, they don't want equality.
They only want superiority.
And that's it.
There's also the same can be said about men.
You know what I mean?
They're out there.
The vast majority of people aren't going to fall in those categories, though.
It's just not going to happen.
You guys also pinned the whole like simps and pussy thing on toxic masculinity kind of.
There's a shitload of girls who call dudes simps and there's a shitload of girls who call dudes pussies too.
I know, but I'm not speaking.
I can't speak on behalf of like every other woman that's existed.
I'm just saying from like a general point of view, like I think that like men have been conditioned to think that like showing emotion is like a sign of weakness.
That does happen.
That does happen.
Men and women are temperamentally different though.
Like we have different temperaments.
And when I mentioned this came down to hormones earlier, you guys laughed, but like, and I'm not sure why you guys laughed, but this is like a really important thing.
Like the dominant hormone in men is testosterone and the dominant hormones in women are estrogen and progesterone, okay?
Those change how your brain processes emotion, right?
When a man has healthy testosterone levels, he's not prone to chaotic mood swings and having his mood all over the place.
When women are going through a pregnancy or when they're going through different phases of their cycle, your guys' emotions can go all over the place.
All of you guys know this, okay?
This is just a part of nature.
It's just how things naturally work.
It's not a bad thing, but this is why, like, this is why a lot of women lean on their men and their relationships to be like a grounding, stabilizing force for them when they feel like a lot of emotion.
Because men generally have more stable emotions.
And it's not as much because of conditioning, but conditioning comes into it.
It's because of what's happening in our bodies.
I'm sure that some, you know, wait, what did, did you want to say something to that?
I said, I think I just laughed because I think it's erroneous to attribute all of like the emotion, like the discrepancy of emotions between men and women just to hormones.
Like I think obviously like how big of an effect hormones have on our women like are more prone to being hormonal in like the emotional sense, but I also think that a factor of it is because men aren't like conditioned to express how they feel.
That's part of it.
That's part of it for sure.
That is part of it.
And a lot of men have like super low testosterone now, like way less than ever.
Hell, some dudes will probably call me simps like on here just for saying this, but I will say like that women's innate ability to lean on their emotions and be more emotional, that's what makes women beautiful.
And like their ability to do that and to have those perspectives from their emotions is a good thing.
We love it.
Just as men who are able to lead from their frame, that is a good thing too.
Again, it's the yin and the yang.
Like men and women are made to compliment one another.
Like we are superior and inferior to one another in different ways for good reason.
I agree.
I like that.
I really like that.
I like that analogy.
I like the yin and yang.
Men are superior in some ways.
Women are superior.
In some ways, we offer different things.
I'm a very unempathetic person.
Do you say unempathetic?
Yeah, a lot of the times.
But for instance, like, you know, who I'm with right now, she is very empathetic.
And I guess we compliment each other in that way.
Wait, can you talk about her?
Can you talk about your situation?
Can you, we just, we've been having a debate.
I feel like it's kind of a little bit more.
We need some lightness.
Okay.
Fuck.
You know, the whole situation with the thing and then, you know, the thing, can you talk about it?
Do you want to?
Can you just give us a quick snap?
I mean, not really, but.
So, okay.
And let me just say with what we were saying before, like, I know it's like heinous for dudes to stand against feminism or whatever.
No, I'm not.
I know it's like heinous for us to stand against it, but one of the reasons why I'm not totally in support of everything that comes with feminism is because there's this idea that the only differences between men and women are because of like cultural conditioning and that we men and women are basically equal in how we function and all this stuff, but culture conditions us to be manly or to be womanly.
I think God created men and women, like Tanner was saying, to complement one another.
And I think that feminist narrative of like it's all cultural conditioning, I think that like overlooks like some of the most beautiful aspects of our humanity, you know?
Yeah, I agree, but I also think that just by like categorizing all feminists into that label, it kind of like gets rid of the ones that are actually like rational.
Like hopefully like part of us are being, you know?
I got a question.
So feminism is about equality, right?
Yeah.
So what is a way in which feminism has advocated for men?
Well, I mean, they like agree that men should be able to like express their emotions without shame.
Okay, that seems fairly minor.
What do you mean express your emotions though?
Can you elaborate on that?
And who do you think that men should explain their emotions to?
I mean, just like as a general way of saying like they're allowed to have emotions and they don't always have to be like solemn.
Okay, I will say this, right?
So for instance, right now, like with my relationship, I think that a man for the most part should be like a rock in a relationship and should be, you know, extremely strong and lead, right?
And he shouldn't burden the woman that he is with with his like emotions, his heavy emotions.
I'll say it like outright right now.
I, Chase is one of my best friends.
Like, I've cried to him and been like, hey, this is what's going on in my life.
And this fucking sucks.
This is the worst thing I've ever gone through my entire life.
And I'll express those emotions like with him and go to him to help be like, hey, man, I need help with this, right?
Like, this fucking sucks.
I'm not going to go to a woman that I'm with and be like, hey, this is the hardest thing you ever deal with.
And I don't know if I can do this because they're going to lose confidence within me.
And they're probably just in their innate being.
Yeah, they're going to lose confidence and they're not going to trust me as much.
Versus like I can go to strong men that I have in my life that I am super grateful that I have and talk to them about what's going on.
You guys might not understand that and that's okay.
Chicks say that they want men to express their emotions, but when men express their emotions in moments of weakness, it causes chicks to break up with dudes.
It's happened a million times.
It's always bad.
It's bad.
But this has been a very heavy conversation.
I feel like we should talk about body pieces.
No, no.
I should not.
I'm a 621 guy.
I have a bet you can't fight.
I don't know how much longer you guys want to go, but I do have a really important question for you guys before you guys.
Yeah, it is.
Because we do.
Yeah, okay.
Just one.
This is a really positive thing for everybody listening and everybody in the room.
For all of our male listeners, what do you guys as women think, what is the number one thing that you guys think men can do to make themselves more attractive?
What?
To win.
Good question.
There's dudes.
That's what I adjective I was expecting.
What were you expecting?
I thought you were going to say something like more supportive, like better.
No, because there's a lot of guys listening to these podcasts and they're trying to figure out how to be successful with women and stuff.
And from a woman's perspective, what do you guys think dudes can do?
And I don't think he means not physically attractive.
He means to be attractive.
Yeah, yeah.
Like it could be a personality thing.
Yeah.
For me, I think it's a guy who makes me feel important.
Like someone who kind of goes back to what we were talking about originally, like way long ago.
How sometimes if you go and you have like that body count you went and said like sometimes it can be unattractive because you don't feel like what you have with her is like special.
Like if a guy like makes me feel special and like I'm the only one for him, like that makes me feel very important.
That's very, very attractive to me.
Okay.
That's a good answer.
I agree with Hannah.
A big thing for me is confidence.
Everyone has things they're insecure about, but everyone has things that they're proud of and they love about themselves.
And being confident in those things and leading with those things is so attractive.
And not being scared to show those sides of yourself, I feel like, I don't know, that's attractive.
So confidence.
Don't be scared to be who you are.
Be proud of who you are.
And if there's things you don't like about yourself, just focus on the parts that you do like about yourself.
So men should lean into their strengths to build their confidence.
Yeah.
Okay.
I really value emotional intelligence in a man because I believe that in a lot of circumstances, conflicts can be resolved through emotional intelligence.
And I also think that emotional intelligence can aid a man.
And both, obviously, both parties have to be emotionally intelligent at some level.
But I think it's important for a guy to be able to kind of be able to be as supportive as possible to his girlfriend because I may go back to your point.
Predominantly girls are a little bit more emotional in relationships, at least the ones that I have been in.
It's okay to admit.
I have been the more emotional one.
And what helps me is a really supportive man to lean on.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
It's a good thing to admit.
There's no shame.
There's nothing wrong with that.
There's nothing wrong with it.
Yeah.
And let me tell you, as a dude, when my girlfriend is like in an emotional state, I love being a rock for her.
It makes me feel like a man.
But it's hard when it's, well, okay.
Never mind.
Don't date boys.
I get what you're saying.
Date men.
Yeah.
So emotional intelligence, being able to understand you need emotionally.
And also, I would say, I mean, getting into, you know, adulthood, I think commitment is definitely a huge one because, I mean, at the end of the day, you want to marry the person that you're dating, right?
And you're not able to do that if they're not equally committed as you.
And commitment can be almost like things like, I don't know, a good morning text or things like just being the shoulder to cry on is commitment to the relationship.
Just doing the little things every single day that nourish the relationship and just keep it strong and whole.
Okay.
Yeah.
Good answer.
Thanks.
No dispute.
The sexiest thing for a man to have is intelligence, like in both an emotional and like regular, whatever.
Intellectual.
My boyfriend is also pretty emotional and he goes to Stanford and he's like a comp sci major.
How is he emotional?
He's an artist.
Because like, well, I don't know if he's like, he's not like, I don't know, like volatile, but I think he's like comfortable with his emotions.
Like he's like, I don't know.
He like expresses that he like loves me and he's not embarrassed.
Like if his friends like roast him, like things like that, you know?
That's cool.
That's a sign of security.
I think so too.
Yeah.
Big thing that I want to bring up, somebody's comment, I don't know where it was, but he's like, hey, I'm a cop and saw some shit and my wife wasn't there, but like my friends were.
Men don't like, okay, I'm military.
I'm not like a combat veteran or anything.
Never like went and did anything cool or anything, but like men, talk to your brothers for sure.
Like, talk to them.
You don't have to bleed everything out onto women and whatnot, and people like within your relationships.
Just talk to your friends because they're probably going through something very similar to themselves, and they're going to be open and honest with you.
And they will be that shoulder to cry on if you have a good set of men around you.
It's very important.
Brotherhood is essential.
I wanted to hear from Hannah too.
And after we hear from Hannah, we'll do.
I got one more question to ask the panel.
And then we got to wrap up the super chats and then we'll wrap up.
We've gone a bit long, and I just want to make sure we can get the girls and the guys out of here at a reasonable hour.
So appreciate your guys' patience.
We'll get you out of here very soon.
Go ahead, Hannah.
I think it's really attractive when a guy has passions that he really cares about.
Because I've dated a lot of guys that just don't have any passions, and that just gets boring.
You know, like you need to be interested in things.
You need to want to learn about things.
You need to be curious.
Yeah, it's really important for me that I'm with somebody that's passionate.
Okay, great.
That's a good answer.
It tends to be pretty common.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So also one thing we do, we just want to open it up to the panel.
If you guys have a final thought or a question that you want to ask for one of us, for the panel, feel free.
If you want to skip just to move things along, that's fine too.
So Hannah, final thought or question?
I don't have any.
I don't have any.
This is not problematic towards you guys, but why are your viewers so racist?
They haven't no reason to be so racist.
What were they?
Just go through the comments, bro.
You know what?
Oh, man.
Wait, where?
Wait, what's going on?
I'm not sure.
Chun Lee, get some help.
You know, the views of the internet.
The internet.
The views expressed in the comments do not necessarily reflect those of the hosts or panel.
So yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's pretty common, though, for chat to just be.
There's some good guys in there.
Like, there's a lot of good guys in there, but there's some people, and some of it's just trolling.
They're just fucking around.
Most of the comment section is awesome.
And it's anonymous.
It's anonymous, too.
That was your.
Yeah.
Okay.
Wait, what was like the final thought or question for the panel?
You can skip if you want.
I think I'm good.
I think we covered a lot of things.
We did talk about this.
Yeah.
We did talk a lot.
I think I'm good.
Yeah.
Don't really have anything in particular.
Yeah, I think I don't really have anything to add.
I just want to say thank you for the debate and for like even though there was a lot of things we disagreed on.
I appreciate you guys listening to what we had to say and letting us talk.
Yeah, it's good to have a debate, even if it gets a little heated.
You know, it's if you can't offend people, if you can't express your opinions, then yeah, I think that's one of the most important things, just like in here, like just to be open-minded and like go in, like, you guys heard, you know, us out and then we heard you guys out.
And like for me too, it really like helped me kind of like expand my perspective because now I really, you know, was able to see like what you guys saw and like, you know, I'm definitely going to go and take those things like into like a situation and think about them and like you guys too.
Like I really appreciate everything that you guys had to say.
And a lot of guys out there, you know, you might talk about some of the stuff with some guy friends, you know, some of the body count type stuff.
A lot of guys just can't be honest with this stuff because they're going to get canceled.
They want to sleep with you.
So, you know, there's that.
Tanner, I think you had your final thought with the cop thing, right?
I mean, no, I had a great time with y'all.
Okay.
Yeah.
No.
This was awesome.
Anybody talking smack in the comment section?
Then you guys can probably fight.
So go do push-ups.
Yeah.
So owned.
And then Chase, I think you got your kind of question you wanted to ask, right?
No, that was, that was, it was what dudes can do to make themselves more attractive.
So can I give my impression?
Of the show.
Yeah, yeah, go for it.
Yeah, I, first off, massive respect to you guys for, we had some challenging conversations tonight, and I think you guys articulated yourselves well.
We obviously disagreed on a lot.
Thank you for expressing where you're coming from because as a conservative dude, I don't often get to have heated debates with liberal women who have almost opposite viewpoints as me.
So thank you for that.
Thank you also for like, I feel like you guys like really had a lot of curiosity towards us in terms of like how we look at women and like you guys were very curious to hear what we think about like dating and clothing choices and all that kind of stuff.
And I feel like that displayed humility and it was nice to be able to explain ourselves in that way.
And yeah, respect.
All right.
So my final, or unless I was going to say, even though I attacked you guys a lot, like I appreciate you like explaining your like side of things.
No, it's good.
It's good.
It's all right.
We can take it.
No, it's good.
It's good to debate.
I think disagreement is healthy disagreement and debate is sorely lacking.
And that's why we're so polarized.
We can't have conversations.
We can.
That's what we're doing.
That is what we're doing.
So I have my final question for the panel.
Oh, no.
You guys know what's coming.
Okay, so you all said, just to bring it back here, body count shouldn't matter.
Oh, my God.
Body count shouldn't matter.
Right.
Here we go.
Okay, if body count shouldn't matter.
Are you going to ask for ours?
What's your body count?
Three.
Go ahead.
I think it's a social construct I'm not going to share.
I thought it was a social construct.
It shouldn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
I don't count.
But just like for people who are curious, I think you should share.
I don't want to thank you, though.
If it doesn't matter, why don't you want to?
Be the change you want to see in the world.
I'm uncomfortable doing so.
That's fine.
I already said three.
Three?
Okay.
For the sole purpose, my mother asked me this question yesterday.
Mom.
My mother.
Oh, shit.
My mother asked me this question, and I refused to answer, and I'm going to refuse to answer because my mother will be watching this, and that is just not.
It's just not.
It's just really not.
It's just, if my mother, if we can somehow block her, then maybe.
But I'm kidding.
I'm kidding.
Love you, Mom.
What's her username?
No.
I actually have no idea, but I think I'll stand with that one.
Yeah.
Gotta protect the mothers.
Gotta protect the mothers.
Yeah, if my mom wasn't watching, I'd tell you guys.
No, and I'll tell you off camera too, but it's like, I don't care if anyone knows, but my mom, like, I don't know.
And my dad, guys, my father.
And it's not even bad.
Man, you all said it doesn't matter, and none of you are.
Did we say anything about our parents?
Wait, what are your body cows?
I feel like the mother thing is like a cop-out, to be honest.
It's really not.
My mom asked me that yesterday over FaceTime.
She goes, so how many people have you slept with?
And I was like, no comment.
Like, no comment.
Okay, so whatever the number is, multiply it by three.
That's good.
What are your body talents?
Why didn't you answer?
Well, so I think body count matters.
Okay.
So therefore, you're not answering.
Well, of course, I have a reason to.
But I think, Chase, you've shared before, right?
Do you want to share again?
Not really.
Not if they're not going to answer.
I did answer.
She answered.
You did.
We've got to get a few more answers before I share.
Tanner, you got to come in, bro.
Because we know.
We know about you.
I'm not going to answer on air.
Wait, come on, Tanner.
Wait, come on, Tanner.
Yeah, that's really awful.
No, it's not.
Why?
That was brave.
What?
You answered the question.
It's not brave.
It's also not an answer that's really going to get you judged.
You didn't have much to lose by saying that.
Wait, what?
Do we what?
He has stuff to lose.
He might have stuff to lose.
I might have stuff to lose.
I mean, I'm just not sharing mine out of spite because you guys didn't share it.
Ah, there we go.
Wait, can we guess?
I'm totally comfortable sharing it.
Five.
Okay.
Wait, are you guessing?
I'm guessing.
I'm guessing.
Why don't you tell us yours and then?
Five.
Okay.
No, oh, that's not mine.
I'm just trying to guess.
Okay.
Am I cold hot?
Do you have a guess?
Do I have a guess?
I mean, you said you went through a phase, so maybe like 12.
Okay.
I'm going to guess eight.
Okay.
I'm going to guess number nine.
Okay.
But you can only tell us if it's true if we picked the right number.
None of you guessed it.
Okay.
Okay.
Erin, is it lower or higher?
I feel like it's definitely higher.
It was in the ballpark.
20.
It was in the ballpark.
20.
No.
Number seven.
Yes, I've slept with seven women.
Can you watch it?
Yes.
Dub.
So you guys going to tell us now or what?
No.
Body count doesn't matter, guys.
It's a social confidence.
Apparently, it's a social construct.
Body count was truly a social construct and it didn't actually matter.
These women would be very happy to share it with us.
People weaponize it, and that's not something.
You know what?
I've said things in this conversation.
People are going to weaponize against me someday.
And it's important to be the change you want to see in the world.
We must speak truth.
Yes.
Speak the truth.
The best thing you can be is yourself, for sure.
Like, there's so much fake everything, fake people, fake food, fake systems.
The best thing you can be is yourself.
Okay, so they're not going to answer it that way.
Well, that's it.
Let me guess.
Let me guess.
Is it under 20?
Oh, way under 20.
Yeah.
Oh, if it's way under 20, then you shouldn't.
I just feel I have a boyfriend.
That's like weird.
Like, I don't want to talk about that.
That's fine.
That's understandable.
It's fine.
It's fine.
We won't pay.
No, it's way higher.
No, I'm kidding.
Joking.
Stay.
All right.
Well, so, but let's talk a little bit about a little bit about body count, right?
Why does it matter, Chase?
Why does body count matter?
You already explained why it mattered.
Okay, did I explain it?
We had like a 30-minute conversation about it.
Did I explain?
I explained that I don't think that flows.
You also explained why it matters.
You were doing other stuff around the room.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Oh, guys, that is a really nice message.
Do you think the double standard is an acceptable double standard?
So in other words, a guy can sleep with a lot of girls.
He's kind of seen as a stud.
But if a woman sleeps with a lot of men, she's seen as a slut.
Do you think that is a reasonable or justified double standard?
I don't think it's justified.
Women a little bit.
Well, why would it be justified?
Like, I don't get it.
Like, you're asking, is it okay for society to be like, yeah, yeah, guys, like, keep sleeping with as many women as you want type thing.
And then, like, well, guys are seen as studs, and women are seen as sluts.
Right.
That's justified.
Well, I don't think that's a lot of students.
Yeah, I don't think that's justified.
You don't think it's a justified double standard?
No.
I mean, would you guys justify that?
I do think it's justified for a few reasons.
Really?
Okay, here we go.
I knew that was coming.
I want to hear why you think it's justified.
I agree with him, by the way.
Of course you can.
Of course you do.
Of course you do.
So wait, when you say it's justified, do you mean it's like okay for guys to sleep with more girls?
Okay, but there is a reason people are able to sleep with a lot of women or studs and women who sleep with a lot of people.
Can you please explain your reasoning?
So I'll come in.
Yes, there is a reason for the double standard.
One, it's a lot easier for y'all to get laid than it is for men.
Way easier.
I mean, I can open it up to you if you guys think it's harder for women to get laid, but I think that might just be because men have like lower standards.
Like a lot of men do have lower standards.
Wait, if men, wait, if men had lower standards.
So I'm pointing at the camera.
I see people in the chat saying shit.
What?
Just want them to know I see their conversations.
Wait, so it's harder for men to get laid because they have lower standards?
Wouldn't it be easier for men?
No, yeah, I'm saying it's like the reason why it's easier for men is because they have lower standards.
Oh, so you think it's easier for men to get laid than it is for women to get laid?
Wait, hold on.
So look, like women choose who they want to have sex with, men take what they can get, but also men choose who they settle down with and who they choose to have a partnership with.
I think that's a generalization.
I will make it way simpler so that everybody can understand.
All of you women right now, there's probably 100 plus dudes that you know that would sleep with you in an instant, okay?
For all guys, at any given moment in time, except for the top, top tier dudes, at any given moment in time, there's probably less than six women that would have sex with them, okay?
You can be an average woman and there's going to be a million dudes that are going to want to have sex with her.
An average guy is going to have barely any women that want to have sex with him.
Women tend to want the guys at the top, okay?
You don't have to be a woman at the top for men to want you.
So it's really easy for women to have sex.
It's way harder for men to find women that want to have sex with them.
Most men are completely looked over.
Most men are invisible.
Which is why it's impressive when a guy is societally impressive when a guy is able to sleep with a lot of women.
It's not impressive at all if a girl can do that.
All you have to do is just freaking open your legs.
Like literally, it's like literally that easy.
It's easy.
It's only easy.
You just show up.
You walk into a club, a party.
You just got to show up.
You could go on Tinder right now and sleep with a guy by the end of the night.
Okay, but we also don't represent all of females.
There's a lot of women that are overlooked, too.
You're right.
You're absolutely right.
I feel like it's kind of equal.
It really just depends.
No, The average woman, the average woman is going to have a shit ton of guys that want to sleep with her.
Okay.
Even if you look through an average woman's like Tinder DMs or whatnot, a very average woman could have sex super easily.
Yes, very easily.
That's why the double standard isn't justified because I could have sex with hundreds of guys if I wanted to, but I don't.
That's a good thing.
Yeah, good.
Stay that way.
No, Let me finish.
Let me finish.
So that's why it doesn't make sense to me to shame women for having a higher body count when they're still rejecting 90% of the guys that come up to them.
It's like we're still, we still have very high standards.
Still, like, that's why the whole double standard thing isn't making sense to me because guys are taking what they can get.
Wait, so if you knew a chick that had slept with 150 men, you wouldn't look down on that at all.
I would not judge her, no.
Would I want to have sex with her?
Maybe not.
That's a personal preference.
I don't think she was kind of a slut or anything like that.
I honestly, that's not my business.
I don't want to have sex with her.
I'm strange.
So it's like.
I'll say this.
Most women could sleep with most men.
Most men could not sleep with most women.
So this is your guys' way of.
Okay, wait, I just am trying to understand the justification.
So because women can sleep with however many men that they want and men have a smaller pool, right?
Is what you guys are saying?
They have a much smaller pool.
So that makes it better for men to rock up the numbers.
No, we're not saying it's better.
It's better.
It's just there's a justification for the double standard.
Okay, wait, would you guys say that?
It's a positive double standard?
No, we're just saying it exists for a reason.
Like it's a valid double standard.
Oh, okay.
So you're not saying that you like think it's I don't think it's a good I think it's a terrible thing for dudes to just run through women.
I think it's damaging.
Okay.
But there is a reason why well I misconstrued that in my head because I thought that you guys I thought that you guys were making the point of oh it's a good double standard it should stay that way.
That's not what we're saying.
No, no.
Okay, then I agree with you.
Okay.
So we can agree on one thing.
All right.
Yay.
Yay.
She doesn't agree.
Are you good?
She's still paid by the hour or something.
What is going on?
She is.
No, no, no.
It's.
I'm losing sleep.
Anyways, okay, so we're going to do super chats and we're going to wrap up the show, guys.
So bear with me.
Bear with me here.
Okay, so.
Oh, my gosh.
Just do super chats that are $20 or above like you said you're going to.
The thing is, is that some of these came in beforehand.
Okay.
We already did this one.
I think, did we do, is this one new?
Did I do this one?
No.
Edward Scornfield.
I don't know if you're still watching, but really appreciate all your super chats tonight, man.
You're a fucking legend.
$10 Super Chat programming is prolonged.
Associative memory behavior changes and the things we value change.
Huge fat butts and boobs don't serve any function.
Smart men won't value that much in the future.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Let's see.
Okay.
Oh, we got this guy.
Girls like these on the panel will definitely sleep with this ex-convict.
I'd like to hear more of the curly-haired, cutie, and pink speaker mind.
She's deep.
Hey, that's Brandon, by the way.
He's been on a couple shows.
Pink-haired.
Do you want to give a response to Brandon there?
I think he's shooting a shot.
What do you guys say?
She's single.
Oh, yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Okay.
Okay.
Mike Davis, $5 super chat.
Hey, Brandon, forget the curly hair.
cheating on me yeah mike davis and brandon i guess have a bit of a uh mike davis is trying to make conjugal visits to brandon when he's in prison oh yeah True.
Type of guy to go-go dance around the weekends and apologize to the patrons for what they're witnessing.
Okay.
Thank you.
Chase, the type of dude to drive safely on GC.
I'm actually insulted by that, bro.
That's a big insult.
I like to drive as dangerously as possible in GTA, man.
Otherwise, the game isn't fun.
Mike Davis, thank you for the $10 super chat.
Much appreciated.
Schaefer Meister, thank you for the $20.
I think that's your buddy, right, Chase?
Yeah, we got to his other question.
Yeah, yeah.
My man in the gray thinks just because a girl is dressed slutty, she wants to get railed.
Not everything revolves around sex.
He's insecure level 9,000.
Wow, overall.
Zavi, thank you for the $10 Super Chat.
Much appreciated.
Chase, you had one a quick little response to that?
I don't think every girl that's dressed slutty wants to get railed.
I think dressing slutty is a way for women to signal to guys that they're down, though.
It's interesting.
I feel like that's going to get clipped and I'm going to get raked through the coals.
Andrew Tate, $5 Super Chat.
She had that Got Gok 3,000.
That's why my homeboy, that's what my homeboy basically said.
no idea who you're talking about which which girl is it what Did I miss something?
I don't know.
Which one?
Keep going.
Keep going.
This is all.
All of these are well after you say the $20.
So just do the $20.
No, it's good.
We'll get them.
Jordan Cole, $20.
Brian, Robert Lewandowski, was the BPD girlfriend the one you did all the super old videos with?
If so, I understand.
No, that was not Andrea, but it was, well, I'm not going to say it, but yeah, guys, do not date women with BPD.
Sorry.
Just learn from me, learn from my mistakes.
Do not do it.
Facts.
Let's see.
Okay, that was under the limit.
Devon Jackson, $10.
They were talking about the patriarchy, but all want men that are stronger than them, taller than them, make more money, and are smarter than them.
Shaking my head.
devon jackson thank you for the ten dollars girls if you want really quick do you have a that's not what the patriarchy is but okay Okay.
No comment.
Thank you for the $2 there.
Jack Miles, I think the three Stooges on the right should volunteer when World War III starts.
You guys will be at the front lines.
That's my boy, Jack.
Jack, I'll see you there, brother.
I know.
Oh, by the way, I forgot to do this.
We do have a rule.
If you refuse to answer the body count question, you have to wear this for the rest of the stream.
So here you can.
Here, just a World War I war helmet.
Here, just put it on.
Dude, you have to tell them that.
No, you have to tell them that.
I mean, you didn't answer it either.
Yeah, you didn't.
You didn't answer it either.
So I think you have to wear it.
Yeah, you have to wear it.
There we go.
Playing by the rules.
Looks great.
Oh, God.
You look good.
Thank you, man.
Yeah, you look fantastic.
It's a good look.
It's a good look.
I'm going to wear it to the club later.
Okay.
The spearman.
All right.
Devon Jackson, thank you for the other $10 soup chat, man.
Much appreciated.
Men's struggles aren't taken seriously at all.
Facts.
It's true.
It's true.
Fact.
Yep.
Okay.
We got no bullspit with the $10 soup chat.
By the way, thank you for being a member, man.
Really appreciate it.
Only women, children, and dogs are loved unconditionally.
A man is only loved under the condition that he provides something Chris Rock facts.
Facts.
David Goggins.
Facts.
Hardcore facts.
100%.
100%.
Mike Davis, $10 Super Chat.
I'm not young.
I've seen many such females back in the day.
It's nothing new or chic.
They either changed their views with time or ended up bitter and lonely.
History repeats itself.
He's the one that's paying to say this.
You guys going to shoot shots?
He's a man with experience, though.
He's been around.
Mike Davis is the man.
Mike Davis is the man.
And here he is watching us.
That's all I have to say.
He's also the one.
He's also paying to insult us, too.
So you said that yourself, right?
Yeah, you did say that yourself.
Okay, here.
Blondie, put this on.
I'm not down.
I like afraid of lice.
Don't trust you.
Somebody's got to wear it.
Put it on.
Okay, just, I'll do it.
I'll do it.
It's fine.
She's making love to the team.
There we go.
Okay, Mike Davis with the $10 Super Chat, Brixon, or sorry, Brian.
No offense, but all three of you fit the description of beta male.
Get a real man like Mr. Organic, Myron Sneeko, and Tate, and they'll dismantle these women.
Easy work.
Okay.
I think it's just a roast.
Hey, Mike Davis.
Hey, Mike Davis, why don't you say that's my face, bro?
Come on the podcast.
I would love for him to come on the podcast.
Mike and Andrew, and then bring them together.
We need Edward.
I would love that.
Yeah.
That would be entertaining.
Oh, Mike and Edward.
Yeah, Edward.
You need to come on.
The two guys have been talking a lot.
We want to talk about it.
Yo, Glebis.
Sorry.
Hey, Glebius, LA.
Thank you for the $10 Super Chat.
Sorry if I'm mispronouncing your name there.
This is the first time I'm able to send Super Chat in the last five to seven streams.
By the way, I saw that you became a member.
I think it was about two or three weeks ago.
Really appreciate the support, man.
Glad to see you in the chat.
Thank you for the super chat, man.
Appreciate it.
Keep it up, great show.
Hey, dude, thank you much.
Thank you so much for the super chat.
Oh, man.
Third one in a row, dude.
Thank you, man.
I would want to be in relationship with the girl if her body count is over 10.
I would wouldn't.
He says I would.
He said he would.
With a girl.
That means he would.
I don't know if he misspoke there.
I would want to be in relationship with the girl if her body count is over 10, and I know it.
Okay, so he's cool with a woman who has more than 10.
Hey, thank you for the support.
Everybody has their preferences.
That's cool.
Thank you for the three $10 super chats.
Much appreciated.
Yeah, you the man.
Okay.
Well, that's it for the super chats.
We got through those fairly quickly, guys.
We got a lot of super chats tonight.
Really appreciate all the support.
Is that it, Eric?
Did you miss any or did we get all of them, you think?
That's it.
Any closing thoughts from the ladies?
Last final.
This was a delightful conversation.
I really appreciate it, guys.
She's wearing a cap.
I don't know if that's Kat.
I know.
That might be Kat, likewise.
Are you just saying that to be nice?
Are you just saying that to be nice?
What?
The conversation.
No, I'm genuinely like, I mean, I'm not going to pat myself on the back, but I'm very open-minded.
So I really, really appreciate everything you guys had to say.
Like, literally me and my friend Jess, like, we were just taking, we had the craziest summer.
And it kind of started like a couple weeks ago when we were asking like 20 questions, this game with a group of like our guy friends.
And then we were able to go and get their perspective on things, which we thought was like so like, we didn't realize that.
And then we started asking all of our other guy friends and trying to like implement that.
And we saw kind of like the change it went and made when we how we interacted with guys and then yeah, and then just how what came out of that too.
So I genuinely, yeah, thank you so much, guys.
No, yeah, I agree with Hannah.
We've learned that learning guys perspectives, you can learn a lot from that.
So we got a lot out of this podcast.
Thank you guys so much for coming.
I got the sense you did too in respect.
Like it was fun.
I had a lot of fun.
Yeah.
I appreciate the viewpoints.
Yeah.
By the way, even though we disagreed, I enjoyed tussling.
I enjoyed tussling too.
Evil Matt, yeah, we do get Twitch chat in here, but just not a lot of people are commenting on Twitch.
But yeah, I do.
My boy Schaefermeister, who dropped a lot of super chats, is asking for a bar on stream.
Let me just say, what's up, my brother?
And then just lastly.
You my bar.
Let me get this final.
Thank you, man, for that total of $40 super chat.
Really appreciate it, man.
Good to see you.
He's spending a lot of money tonight, bro.
Maybe.
I don't know.
I feel like that's a good idea.
He doesn't want to say because we should be getting paid now, too.
Well, anytime.
Yeah, we're giving you a picture.
Our time is very valuable.
You guys were a great panel.
Yeah, you guys were fantastic.
I know we had some heated moments, but we do really appreciate you guys sticking it out.
Some other people would have probably walked off.
I know you were maybe thinking about it for a second there.
What time is it?
No, I do appreciate.
And I do appreciate you guys staying a bit late here.
We did go pretty late on this one.
Yeah, so thank you so much to the panel.
Thank you, ladies.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, man.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Are we missing?
I feel like we're missing something.
I don't know.
Are we missing that?
No.
I don't think we are.
Subscribe.
What?
Like and subscribe.
Oh, yeah.
By the way, everyone's Instagrams are in the description.
Please give them a follow.
Give them a follow.
Yeah, shoot them.
And as far as like the never mind.
Okay, never mind.
Yeah, but thank you guys so much for tuning in.
We will be live again.
Chase, did you want to come in?
Yeah, I just wanted to say thank you, everybody, for listening.
Thank you guys for the super chats towards Brian and all of us.
Thank you guys also for the comments.
I don't know about you guys.
I get so much entertainment out of reading people's.
Oh, it's so interesting.
This was a very rewarding experience.
Yeah.
Keep the comments coming out.
Yeah.
We can't address all of your guys' comments, but they are so entertaining, and you guys should just keep it coming.
Chats are awesome.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we will be live again Thursday at 7 p.m. Pacific.
Again, I want to thank the panel again for coming.
You guys were great.
Thank you so much.
Appreciate it.
Yo, someone said Tristan James.
Oh, shit.
Oh, we got a big old shafer.
Okay, he needs to come on the show.
Oh, get him on the show.
Dude, Jordan, Jordan.
Bring him on the show.
You should come do this with us.
Come be on the show.
Come be on the show, bro.
You guys see his profile picture right here?
He's a good-looking dude.
I took that when we were in college.
Wait, you know him?
Yeah, that's one of my oldest.
That's one of my oldest friends.
Get him on the show.
That's my boy, right?
I love that.
That's cute.
He's also very handsome and based.
So, ladies, my oldest.
Eddie Ed says, bring fiery Lauren back for sure.
Which one's Lauren?
Oh, this Lauren.
Well, I thought he was talking about there's a different, there's a fiery Lauren and the ice cold Lauren.