Whatever Podcast - Dating Talk #3

Jan. 29, 2023 - Whatever Podcast

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Dating Talk #3

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	Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast coming to you live from Isla Vista, Santa Barbara, California.
	I'm your host, Brian Atlas.
	It's Brian with an X.
	The X is silent.
	You don't pronounce it.
	Brixon.
	Brixen, yes.
	I'm joined by my co-host, Kiki.
	I know you guys have been wondering what's the relationship status between me and her.
	It's strictly business.
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	This is the Dating Talk podcast where we talk about dating, debauchery, and relationships.
	Anything goes.
	Shout out to Fresh and Fit for the inspiration.
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	If you disagree with something I say or another panelist says, feel free to challenge it or jump in.
	Without further ado, let's get right into it.
	We're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, occupation, or if you're in school or your major, and relationship status.
	And we're going to start with Kylie.
	So as he said, I'm Kylie.
	I'm 19.
	I am a student at UCSB, and I'm also an Apex Legends content creator and streamer.
	And my OnlyFans is plugged down below.
	So if you want to help me pay my rent, I would very much appreciate it.
	What kind of stuff do you post on your OnlyFans?
	I mean, some people do cooking on there.
	Yeah, well, it depends what you're into.
	I do all sorts of stuff.
	People have paid me to play Apex with them.
	So if you want to get carried, just pay me 20 bucks and I'll get you a couple dubs.
	Okay.
	How much, just out of curiosity, so how long have you been doing OnlyFans?
	Since September of last year.
	It's almost a year.
	Coming out of the year.
	So almost the total made?
	Like, is that one of those?
	Oh, your earnings?
	Yeah, sure.
	I think like $25,000.
	There, but like I don't really promote it that much, which is why it's so surprising that it's like decently successful because I posted it like once or twice and now I can pay my rent.
	And do you do solo stuff or you have like a partner?
	Or is that my final answer?
	Recently, I've been doing some partner content since I just got into a relationship recently.
	So shout out to him.
	Love you, bro.
	Thank you for understanding the OnlyFans.
	Wait, so you have a partner, but you he, yeah, he's completely fine with it.
	Like, I'm just super open about it.
	And we like discussed it.
	That was one of the things that I had to talk to him about because I know a lot of guys are like, oh, I would never, like, I would never date a girl with an OnlyFans.
	Like, that's disgusting.
	Like, she needs to respect herself, but he respects me chasing the bag.
	Wait, but so you said you're doing hardcore on OnlyFans?
	Well, with him or with another guy.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	Oh, my God.
	No, there's another guy.
	Okay.
	I see.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Got it.
	Okay, cool.
	Hi, I'm Sydney.
	I'm also a student at UCSB.
	What do you study?
	I'm studying economics and communication since we don't have business.
	And I'm currently single.
	I've been single for three years now.
	Yeah.
	Three years.
	You got that question.
	Okay, why?
	UCSP men are just the worst for you.
	Like when you meet a cute guy, they just like their personality either sucks or they've hooked up with like everyone you know.
	Yeah.
	And yeah.
	No one's worth my time yet.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I'm Sabrina.
	I'm 19.
	I'm an art major.
	And yeah, I've actually never had a boyfriend.
	Always been single.
	A little picky.
	Wait, never.
	As you should.
	Sorry, how old are you guys?
	Never.
	19.
	19.
	I mean, that's not unheard of.
	No.
	There's time, I think.
	I'm chilling.
	You're chilling.
	Yeah, I'm doing just a little bit more.
	But never had a boyfriend.
	What's the longest you've seen a guy?
	Like, maybe.
	Or only one that stands?
	No.
	No.
	So you've dated a guy for a period of time, but it's just never distance.
	Yeah, I've never considered anyone my boyfriend.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Like, just like elongated flings off and on for like a year, maybe.
	That's about it.
	I feel that because I feel like at this age, like dating is like marriage.
	Like if you start dating someone, you're like so committed, it's like, we're going to get married.
	No, yeah, you become like the parents of the friend group.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And then, yeah, it's ridiculous.
	And then the breakup drama.
	Hi.
	I'm Aline.
	I am a student at UCSB.
	I'm a bio-major.
	I'm currently taking OCAM in the summer.
	I do TikTok, kind of.
	But it's like just for fun.
	What's your TikTok?
	Oh, Chunky Funky Monkey.
	Okay.
	I made the name off of a smoke shop in San Diego, Pacific Beach.
	Shout out.
	And then the chunky part, I used to be a fat kid.
	Not a fat kid, like a fat baby.
	But like, yeah, that's my name.
	Like, all eyes at the end.
	Chonky Funky Monkey.
	Just sit on the table.
	And then I'm single.
	How long have you been single?
	I don't know if I would consider like a two-week relationship an actual relationship.
	So your most recent situation was a two-week.
	Yeah, so I wouldn't consider.
	So you're currently seeing this guy.
	No.
	Or it ended.
	It ended right.
	Two weeks ago.
	No.
	The relationship was two weeks.
	And that was your longest relationship?
	My longest relationship was a month, but, like, honestly, I think I've only.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	But I'm a relationship person.
	I just can't find.
	Well, hold on.
	Your longest relationship is a month.
	It was a month.
	But you're a relationship person.
	Yes.
	Okay, I'm being cringe to sell.
	Wait, but and so, and you're how old again?
	I'm 19.
	19?
	I mean, again, like, still pretty young.
	Like, I feel like a lot of people.
	I don't, I'm not late to that, like, hookup stuff.
	Yeah.
	But, like, you know what?
	But, like, men here.
	Men here?
	Men here are.
	That's what I'm going to say.
	In Santa Barbara?
	Yeah.
	100%.
	Like, if you, I've, I've, like, I've, like, tried, like, talking to guys here, and, like, I've, like, had a lot.
	I have a lot of girlfriends, and like, I'd like talk to girls, like, oh, do you know this guy?
	Like, yeah, like, everybody knows this guy.
	Like, or like, everyone's like, Eskimo sisters with each other.
	Yeah.
	It's just, like, it's a situation here.
	You mentioned Eskimo sisters.
	Do you guys think that there are more Eskimo brothers or Eskimo sisters out there?
	Sisters.
	100%.
	So more women that have slept with the same guys.
	Yeah.
	Because we're way pickier, and there's a reason why that one guy is not the girls.
	Yes.
	Nice.
	No, it's true.
	It's true.
	Okay.
	So we should come back to that.
	The no boyfriend thing yet.
	So first question for today.
	And we're going to watch some videos too.
	We're going to react to some videos related to this topic.
	But we'll just kind of go around the panel and get your guys' input.
	Who pays on the first date?
	Yeah, I'll start with you.
	Okay, so my answer to that is definitely whoever asks, if you're asking someone, then you're interested in them and you're trying to persuade them to go out on a date with you.
	You're trying to persuade them to like you.
	So if you're asking, oh, do you want to go to dinner with me?
	I think that this person should pay because you're obviously trying to woo them, persuade them for you to like them.
	And in my case, I don't necessarily think it can be either a man or woman.
	I definitely think it's someone who's interested in the other person.
	But in my case, I don't like necessarily approach other men.
	So generally, I would prefer if the man paid for me because that means that the man has approached me and they want to go out with me.
	And I want to see, like, this is sort of like a first impression.
	Like, if I went out with a man who paid for my dinner versus a man who didn't pay for my dinner, like, who would I like more?
	If they were both like, if they were both like equally attractive, equally like just like, they have like equally as good personalities, but one pays, one doesn't, like, you're always going to have the upper hand in that situation.
	And you're always going, and like, if it's just like, if you want someone to like you more, then you should pay.
	But like, there's no like, oh, all men should pay.
	Oh, all women should pay.
	And I don't think in, I don't think like splitting the bill is like like just either.
	It's just whoever asks the date, the first date.
	Okay, so you think whoever asks, they should pay.
	You would prefer the man to pay, right?
	Yeah.
	And assuming that men approach women.
	Got it.
	And let's say a guy asks you out on a date and the date's going well, whatever, but he says the checks, dates wrapping up.
	What do you think about splitting the bill?
	Does that change how you feel?
	Okay, so the thing is, I will definitely pay if they suggest splitting the bill.
	But in my head, I'm like, okay, he asked me to split the bill.
	That's going to be considered in how much I like this guy.
	So you will feel a certain type of way if the guy's going to be able to do it.
	I will do it.
	I'm not going to make the guy.
	I'm not going to make the guy pay the bill.
	But you might like him a bit less is kind of what you're saying.
	He's putting himself at a disadvantage.
	At a disadvantage, okay.
	That's also just like, in general, even when it doesn't come to dates, like you don't invite someone out to dinner or invite them over for a dinner party at your house and be like, oh, can you Venmo me for all the food?
	Like, you don't do that.
	You know, if you're the one asking, you're the one paying.
	You're the one inviting the other out to dinner.
	But I mean, if you were to go out with just a friend, for example, to get grab dinner, do you guys pay each other like we like you split?
	Yes.
	If you're just hanging out with your buddies, you know?
	Okay.
	Like a little Venmo.
	Yeah, a little Venmo action.
	Okay.
	But so do you want to just answer the question from the beginning?
	Like whether or not.
	Yeah, so who should, like, who pays on a first date?
	Oh, I fully think that it's whoever asks.
	Okay.
	You know?
	Like, I don't know about you, but someone asks you out on a date, they're the ones pursuing, like, if a guy asks me out on a date, like, they're pursuing me.
	They should pay.
	If I ask a guy out on a date, I will pay.
	You know, it's an invitation.
	Okay.
	I'm going to come back to this.
	I want to let everybody answer first, so go ahead.
	Honestly, this is something I've always been kind of torn about.
	Like, I don't want to expect people to pay for me because I know I can afford to pay for myself.
	Like, I just don't like to expect anything from anyone.
	But if a guy pays for me, I'm definitely like, that's hot.
	Like, and like, if they ask me to split the bill, I'm going to be like, sure, buddy.
	Like, and then I'm going to be like, okay, like, take me home.
	You know, like, take me to my house and you're not coming.
	But it definitely just, it's like, oh, okay, it's like a nice little thing.
	And I will always offer to pay.
	And if they accept my offer, like, I'll still pay.
	But I'd prefer someone to pay for me, but I don't need it to happen.
	But it's definitely a turn on.
	So the asker.
	So yeah, if I asked a guy on a date, I still would not pay for the whole thing.
	But so the guy should pay.
	Like, we should split it.
	If a girl asks a guy, we split it.
	But if a guy asks a girl, then he pays.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	On that, though, if a girl asks a guy, or whatever, you know, like the person who asked should pay.
	But also, if you ask a guy on a date and they offer to pay, then that's like two points.
	Like, double the point.
	Yeah, double the points.
	Also, one thing we are, like, we're only thinking about like dinner dates, I feel like.
	But like, if we're going to like the zoo or something, I wouldn't expect them to pay for my $40 ticket.
	Yeah, like if we're like something like that, like I would want to pay for, I wouldn't want them to pay for me.
	I don't know.
	That's just me.
	I'm like, I can pay for myself.
	Sometimes I also, like, depending on how a guy says it, I find it kind of offensive.
	And I'm like, I can pay for myself.
	Like, what do you mean by it depends how they like state it, but they're like, oh, you can't do that.
	I'm like, I can do that.
	Like, what?
	Like, I don't know.
	I feel like they can put it.
	So if you offer and the guy's like, no, no, no, no.
	Yeah, they're like, no, you can't.
	So, you want the guy to pay, but if you offer and he gives pushback, then you're offended.
	Okay.
	When you put it like that.
	It's just a lose-lose for these men out there.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I honestly just like really don't like dinner dates.
	Like, I'm like a very fidgety person, and I don't like sitting across from someone and talking to them for hours because I'm like, what am I going to say next?
	What am I going to say next?
	I'd rather go to the zoo or like the zoo.
	Like, I don't know, like the aquarium and or like go somewhere.
	I'm not judging the zoo, by the way.
	I like to be doing something like outside.
	Yeah, I actually agree with you that I think for a first date, dinner date, that's not it.
	That's not dinner dates.
	Yeah.
	We'll come back to the dinner.
	But yeah, I mean, my take on the dinner dates is like I feel like you want at least initially something a little bit low commitment because you could show up.
	And even if you, I'll always want to speak to a girl on the phone before I meet up with her just to feel it out a little bit.
	But some people don't do that.
	So you could get to the date and then it's just, and then you got to sit there for the waiter coming.
	And even if you're getting along with the person, it's just kind of the waiter comes by, interrupts you.
	And then like, I don't know about you guys, but when I eat, I don't, I don't like to talk when I eat.
	I just want to eat.
	You know, I'm weird, though.
	I'm weird.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Anyways.
	Oh.
	I agree to a certain extent with all of you guys, but I personally would just go in 50-50.
	Like, I don't care if a guy pays for my dinner, but as you were saying, I do get offended if the guy is like, oh, no, like, and fights me on it.
	Like, if I'm like, no, like, let's split it.
	And he will argue with me about it and be like, no, I'm paying.
	Like, I'm the man here.
	I'm like, I don't care.
	Like, if you want to pay for me, thank you.
	But going in, I would just expect 50-50, honestly.
	Like, I don't.
	And I'll pay for your dinner.
	Like, if I ask, I 100%, I don't care.
	Like, if I ask a guy on a date, and I have a lot.
	Like, I feel like I'm a very assertive person and I go after like who and what I want, then, like, I'll pay for your dinner.
	I don't care.
	Good answer.
	So, coming back here to Elene, so you said whoever asks, they should pay.
	Correct.
	So, can I ask you a question?
	Yeah.
	Do you ever ask guys out on dates?
	No.
	Okay, you?
	Do you ever ask guys out on dates?
	Yeah, if I like a guy, I'll ask him out.
	Have you ever asked?
	But you would ask him out.
	Yeah.
	But have you ever asked a guy out?
	You would.
	You've asked guys out?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	When was the last time you asked a guy out on a date?
	I've been back home for the past couple months.
	I would say like February.
	Okay.
	Probably.
	It's been a minute.
	It's been a minute.
	When was the last time you went on a date?
	Oh, God.
	Was it February?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah, like February.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Maybe we should define what a date is because a date's a very specific thing and there's other kind of encounters that might not qualify as a date, but there's an interaction that occurs.
	So, okay, you also were saying that the person who asks, they should pay.
	But do you ever ask guys out on dates?
	I don't ask guys out on dates, but like ask them to hang out.
	Let me specify the question a bit more.
	Have you ever asked a guy out on a first date?
	Like the first time you're meeting?
	No.
	Because certainly if it's a guy you've met before, then I think it's a bit, then you can kind of open up a bit, I feel like, as a girl.
	I mean, personally, I mean, I've never met someone.
	I've never met up with someone from a dating app.
	So, like, I've always known the person and like hung out with them for multiple hours before hanging out with them again in like a more like romantic situation.
	It's like a friend.
	Yeah, like I'm friends with.
	I think that relationships work best when you're friends with someone first.
	Right.
	And you've never been on the dating app?
	Or just?
	I've been on them, but it's just to swipe and get validation.
	Okay.
	Oh, for validation.
	Okay.
	I just like when they like slide into my.
	I'm not going to respond, really, like sometimes, but I've never met up with them.
	Okay.
	So of the times you've been on dating apps, you've never gotten a date or met up with anybody.
	Just like trouted a little bit.
	Strictly for the swipe.
	Hey, at least you're honest.
	I mean, that's true.
	Okay, so, huh?
	So, okay, you were saying that, and are you in a sorority?
	Yes, I am.
	Okay, can we name the sorority?
	Yeah, I'm in Kappa Alpha Theta.
	Shout out.
	I have three positions in my sorority.
	Three positions?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What are those?
	I'm the recruitment director, so I'm planning all of our recruitment for fall right now.
	I'm the social planner, so I plan all of our events with frats, and then I'm the finance assistant.
	Nice.
	Very cool.
	And so I imagine, since you're in a sorority, that there's a lot of opportunities to socialize.
	There's parties and stuff with the fraternities.
	So I feel like that's maybe one of the reasons why you haven't relied so heavily on dating apps is because you're meeting people a lot more organically in these more organic social situations.
	Okay, interesting.
	So I guess going back to Elene, you've never asked a guy out on the first date, though.
	Correct.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	Interesting.
	So I'm going to give my take on the whole like whoever asks should pay thing.
	And I'm probably going to just get heat from both sides here because I definitely think there's guys who agree like if you ask, you should pay, the man should pay.
	So I mean, I think it's at best, the whole whoever asks should pay thing, I think it's at best kind of naive and at worst, kind of like bad faith, willful ignorance.
	And here's why.
	Because de facto, overwhelmingly, men must initiate.
	So like most women, like they don't ask men on first dates.
	So of course, like if the asker is always going to be men, then they de facto have to pay.
	So like that, to me, I don't know.
	Whoever asks, it's just going to be the guy.
	So that's my take.
	You know, yeah.
	Chris, can we, why don't we pull up one of the videos?
	Yes, let's do it together.
	Here we go.
	I guess I'll be on the Twitch tab first.
	Oh, do you want to go back to the Twitch tab?
	We're not windowed mode yet.
	Oh.
	Here we go.
	Okay.
	Wait, is this windowed?
	Yeah, it's windowed.
	It's windowed.
	Okay, can you start it at the very beginning?
	Sure.
	Just the very beginning and go full screen.
	Okay.
	By the way, before you play it, Chris, so guys, in chat, This is our first time playing a video during stream.
	So we're still kind of playing with the noise on it.
	In chat, guys, let us know if the noise from the video is either too loud or too low.
	Why don't you go ahead, Chris?
	Serious question.
	What would you ladies do if a man asks you to split the bill on the first date?
	I would simply split the bill, but I will never see him again.
	Peace out.
	And Chris, can you skip ahead to pause it?
	Skip to 112 in the video.
	This is like a TikTok stitch compilation.
	Serious question.
	What would you ladies do if a man asks you to split the bill on the first date?
	I would say, yeah, of course.
	Actually, let me just pay for the whole thing.
	Be super nice about it.
	Bye.
	And then I would never talk to him again.
	Very simple.
	Queen.
	Let it play, Chris.
	There's one more.
	Serious question.
	What would you ladies do if a man asks you to split the bill on the first date?
	Hey?
	Serious question.
	Pause it, Chris.
	What would you ladies do if a man and then skip to oh shoot?
	I didn't write this down.
	Oh, actually, here we go.
	skip to 529 people are saying it's slightly too can you actually pause it chris Let me just read the chats.
	Unless people said a little low.
	I'll say a little low.
	It looks like, yeah, there's some mix.
	Some people are saying too low.
	Some guy said my ears.
	Some guy said it's perfect.
	Yeah.
	Can you scroll up on those just so we can see?
	I think it's quiet.
	Too loud.
	This guy says it's...
	We're getting very...
	There's only one person saying it's too loud, though.
	We're getting very mixed.
	Oh, he might be trolling.
	Are you a troll?
	Yeah, who's lying and who's not?
	Sub guys.
	Which one are you on the mess?
	Hey, sub yob.
	Sub yob.
	Just sub yob.
	Chris, can you boost the decibel to unity?
	Audio.
	Audio is like too low.
	Not too high, not too loud.
	Yeah, he said just rolling.
	Okay.
	We just adjusted the audio, guys.
	If it's still too low, let us know.
	Play it, Chris.
	Believe it or not, I've actually been in this situation before, and I think this is the perfect way to handle it.
	So when the bill comes, if he asks to split it with you, the audacity, then I would just be like, yeah, no problem.
	Split the bill.
	Don't make a fuss.
	And after the date, go no contact, okay?
	You don't need to text him and be like, thanks for a great time because you pay for yourself.
	However, if he tries asking you out a second time, then I would say this.
	Oh, you mean like on a date?
	And if he was like, yeah, obviously, then I would be like, oh, okay, I guess I'm just surprised because I didn't think you were interested in me last time.
	And then he's probably going to be like, why?
	And then you can be like, well, typically if I split the bill with a guy, it's more of like a friend thing.
	And the reason this is a good reply is because he's probably going to feel a little embarrassed, which he should.
	It's not chivalrous.
	And you're also asserting your standard in a really classy way.
	Hit the plus to follow for more and good luck.
	And then Chris, skip to 725.
	Hit the plus to follow.
	Okay, I learned this the hard way when I was younger, so I hope you're not going to be able to do it.
	Actually, just go back like five seconds.
	Go ahead, play it.
	Okay, I learned this the hard way when I was younger, so I hope a younger girl watches this and gets something from it.
	You pay for your part of the bill, you leave, and you never speak to them again.
	If you know that you're a kind of girl that wants to be taken care of in a relationship, if you want to be wind and dined, you want to be gifted, you want the finer parts of life and a relationship.
	You never talk to them again for your own good.
	Because this is basically them signaling to you that they are not going to do that.
	That's not something they're interested in.
	It's not the way that they are.
	It's not the way they're built.
	They'll never be that.
	Because that kind of guy will never ask you to split the bill.
	So if you know that you're that kind of person, that kind of girl, like I am, you pay for your part, you leave, and go find someone who will do all those things for you.
	Oh!
	Okay, Chris, you can go back to regular.
	Did you guys have any thoughts on some of those videos we just watched?
	Why don't we start with Kylie?
	That was absolutely ridiculous.
	Like, hearing that, I hate that because women that automatically assume that a guy is less, like, his personality is not as good because, oh, he won't pay for my meal.
	That opinion is just absolutely ridiculous to me.
	Like, I don't know why people should expect the man to pay on the first date.
	Like, we're both eating our own food, so we should both pay for our own food.
	It's just as simple as that, in my opinion.
	I feel like I, I don't know.
	I feel like they're obviously not expected to, but if they ask me, like, can we split it?
	I just kind of get the ick.
	I can't control the ick.
	Hey, you know, I think it's totally okay for both genders, both men and women, to have their preferences for what they want in the partner.
	And so if you want the guy to pay, I think that is a reasonable preference to have.
	I personally disagree with it, but I totally think you're entitled to feel that way.
	I think that totally circles back to whoever asked to go on the date, because whoever asked to go on the date has the power to decide what the date is and where the date is and how much money the date's going to cost.
	And so if you can't afford to pay for the other person and you're the one who asks, go have a little picnic in the park.
	You know?
	Go to a fair.
	Buy our churro or buy him a churro.
	Like, if you ask, you pay, man.
	You know?
	And if you were to ask to split it on the first day and he was the one who asked or they were the one to have asked, I just think that's kind of ridiculous because I go into a date.
	Like if someone were to ask me, I would go into it being like, oh, they're going to pay.
	And then the unexpected curveball at the end, it's like, oh, you didn't bring your wallet?
	Can we split it?
	And it's like, really, man?
	Wait, so here's a question.
	Let's say the date's gone great.
	You're really feeling the guy, you're attracted to him, but he does say, hey, let's split.
	Is that a rap?
	Or is it just a little negative?
	A little negative?
	Or is it just it's over?
	No, I would straight up be like, yo, dude, I really like you.
	But I would like, I wasn't really expecting to split.
	Oh, sorry.
	Honestly, if that were to happen and I actually really liked him and it was going great, I would.
	It also depends.
	Like if a guy says, like, oh, do you want to go on a date or do you want to hang out?
	Like, if it's just hanging out with a friend that you like don't really know is interested in you, like, I suck at like taking a hint, you know.
	I'll just assume that we're just hanging out.
	I won't assume that there's any romantics involved.
	And if there is, I'll just be like, yeah, that's totally cool.
	You want to get next time?
	Okay.
	I like disagreed with the video because a lot of guys, it's not all about if they have money, especially in college.
	A lot of guys are not a lot of money, but they want to take you out to a nice dinner.
	They want to take you out and have a good time, eat some really good food.
	But if I really like the guy, I'm going to like the guy.
	Splitting the bill, it'll dock some points off for me, but usually with guys, if I like them, then I like them.
	I'm down bad.
	I'll still like them.
	Like, it'll, of course, it's a little, it's a little dock, but it's nothing that'll deter if I actually like you.
	You know, like, it's all about impressing like the girl in the date, you know?
	Like, yeah.
	I agree with that, because it's like their personality kind of comes first.
	And, like, if they pay for it, it's more of a bonus.
	And also, if they do ask you to split the bill, it depends on how they offer it.
	If they're not confident about it and super awkward, like, um, like, would you mind like splitting the bill?
	Like, I would not like that at all.
	Um, so if they're like, hey, like, would you want to split this?
	I'd be like, Yeah, of course.
	And then, some of those videos were also talking about your reaction after.
	I would not make a big deal about it because you also like don't know someone's financial situation.
	Like, I've dated guys in the past who like don't have money and I've paid for him.
	And because, like, I'm not gonna like make him pay, like, go out of his budget when I know like I don't need it, you know?
	Yeah.
	But I also, if someone asked me to pay it later, I wouldn't like give them a hard time about it because I don't know, something weird about me is that I don't like to make other people embarrassed.
	Like, if someone does something embarrassing, I'm like, no, you're good.
	Like, I hate when, because I hate feeling embarrassed, so I don't want other people to feel embarrassed.
	So, I wouldn't say something to make them feel bad about themselves.
	Okay.
	On that note, also, like, just because we're all in college, we're all very aware that most of us are super broke.
	Yeah.
	We're in college, student debt.
	Like, obviously, there's huge understanding around that.
	And it's like, yo, if you can't afford to pay for a date and I can, then yeah, I'll totally cover it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And it goes.
	In both ways, by the way, from the comments that are like talking about same-sex dates and stuff like that.
	That's just my personal opinion.
	Unless I'm going on a date with a guy that I know is rich.
	And then they ask me to pay him.
	I'd be like, no.
	Only if they're using that, if you're using them.
	But okay, I shouldn't have said that.
	Take that back to me.
	Who are you going on dates with?
	Trigger daddies.
	I respect it.
	The honesty is good.
	Wait, so have any of you ever gone on what is and well actually before I go there, I guess I'll give my take on the video.
	So it kind of echoed to some degree what you guys said, but I think they were kind of, I think you guys would probably feel a type of way about it, but the impression I got is you guys would be polite about it.
	Whereas they, I don't know if they were just hamming it up a bit for the TikTok, but like they were definitely seem like, I don't know, a bit rude, it seemed like, and I don't know if that's what they would actually do on a date, but one of the girls was like, the way she was saying how she'd walk through it, she'd be very condescending.
	You know what?
	No, let me just pay for the whole thing.
	You're broke, brokey.
	And then I'm like, I don't think that's necessary.
	Even if you feel, again, a certain type of way about, you know, if you have your preference to have the guy pay, I think that would be, to me, that'd be a bit rude.
	No, I definitely agree.
	Like, it's also like in the moment, like, the vibe, but like, I would never be like, oh, no.
	I don't know.
	That one was rude.
	Yeah.
	I feel like people have a lot of negative, toxic takes on TikTok.
	And again, I don't know if they're hamming it up specifically for the TikTok just to drum up controversy.
	Because I can't imagine.
	I don't know.
	I like to generally think people are decent.
	I can't imagine if you were having a conversation, if you were in person with them, that they would say that.
	To me, that's just intentionally ghosting just because you don't pay for a meal seems a little extreme.
	Like it's just if you like the guy, like if you had a good time, just pay the fucking bill.
	It doesn't matter.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, even if that's a deal breaker that the guy pays, I, you know, again, I kind of disagree with that stance, but if that's the girl's boundary or preference, and hey, if she doesn't want to see the guy again, I disagree, but hey, that's her call.
	But then if you're rude about it, at least be polite.
	You're rude, you know?
	So have any of you ever gone on a foodie call?
	Aline, let's start with you.
	So foodie call is like you had you had no romantic interest in this person, but this person offered to take you out to dinner or fly you to somewhere, like take you out on date.
	It was clear they had a romantic interest in you, but you didn't have a romantic interest in them.
	Have you ever been on a foodie call?
	I'm not going to name names, but there was this guy.
	Name drop, name drop.
	There was this guy.
	I think like every like after like Friday night or whatever, like I'd be like home from like partying or whatever.
	And he'd like, he'd like text me.
	He'd be like, yo, let's grab In-N-Out.
	But I'd go.
	He'd pay for my food.
	But there was like, I'm pretty sure he's interested in me.
	But he never made a move or anything.
	So I was just like, that's chill.
	That's fun.
	And I just kept going, like, getting in and out with this man.
	Maybe we're good friends.
	Yeah, but like, he was like, I think he was into me.
	He would text me shit.
	Like, he'd call me baby girl, like, whatever.
	And you guys, every Friday night would go the In-N-Out.
	Get the In-N-Out hat, Chris.
	Chris, can you bring me the In-N-Out hat?
	Bring me the In-N-Out hat.
	You get to wear it.
	You get the honor.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Chris.
	This is Calamity Chris, by the way.
	First time on the stream.
	I'm in and I'm out.
	all right here put this on yeah uh one thing about me is it gonna ruin your hair though We don't want to ruin your hair.
	I don't care.
	One thing about me is that I'm going to eat food.
	I'm going to eat it.
	Okay.
	Don't ask me why I have that, guys.
	So, and was this pretty consistent every Friday?
	And I think, like, I just like wouldn't, like, I wouldn't, like, because I think he knew that I knew he likes me, but, like, I would never like give into it.
	He'd be like, hey, like, like, I don't know.
	I don't remember, but he was like, you're going to give me a kiss or something?
	I was like, dude, this guy.
	He just said that.
	Yeah, he was kind of like, he was kind of cringy, but he had like a nice car.
	He was pretty hot.
	What perfect package?
	But he was, he was, he was kind of like a, he's like a player.
	He was a player.
	He got into that.
	He was a player?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So like, because I like talk to his like roommates and whatever.
	Oh my god, everyone's going to know now.
	And they're all just like, yeah, he's a player.
	Like he has girls all over all the time.
	But like, I don't know.
	I'm just, I'm like, I don't want.
	And then he blocks me because I like never like it.
	Like, I never like did anything with him, I guess.
	Why did he block you?
	I don't know.
	He just out of the blue.
	And how many times did you go on dates with him?
	I wouldn't say dates.
	He bought you in and out.
	What did you get, by the way?
	You seem like an animal style kind of girl.
	I am.
	I eat a lot.
	I get like double-double, single, both animal-style, animal-style fries, sometimes a shake.
	God damn.
	Okay.
	And so, but you went out with, or not, not dates, but how many times did this occur before the ghosts happened?
	Probably like the ghost.
	Probably like at least nine times.
	Nine times.
	Wait, and this guy was a player.
	Yeah.
	And he went on nine dates with you?
	Oh, he was.
	was really feeling you then.
	I was like...
	Nothing?
	Like half an hour, like food sesh.
	You would just buy me like a mark.
	Would you meet there?
	He'd pick me up in his like.
	What's his car?
	What's his car?
	What's the license plate number?
	Everyone's gonna know.
	Yeah.
	What's the VIN?
	He's got a yellow Mustang.
	Wait, I've seen that guy at In-N-Out.
	I've seen him at In-NOU.
	It's loud.
	It's loud.
	Does he play music?
	Does he blast the music?
	Yeah, it's like electronic, like Polish music.
	I've been behind.
	I have been behind that yellow Mustang at that In-N-Out.
	Have you seen his face?
	I haven't seen his face, but he must be going through that In-N-Out.
	So he must be a player because, I mean, I've seen him there at least two or three times.
	I saw someone back into the entire In-N-Out director today.
	Reversed.
	Yeah.
	Like reversed into the whole driver.
	I've seen a whole lot of people.
	And the opposite doorway.
	I saw a horse go through.
	Oh, shit.
	Yeah.
	Interesting.
	I think that guys like you more when you don't give them the attention.
	Like, so if this guy, like, he's a player, that actually would make sense that he kept taking you to In-N-Out.
	Because you weren't giving him the attention.
	He's probably just used to girls just putting out.
	I know the answer to this.
	Okay.
	This man is extremely cocky.
	So, like, he, he talks, and then he's, like, cocky.
	He, like, knows that he's hot shit.
	He's like, he's like, now everyone's going to know who he is, but I'm not going to say his name.
	But he's, like, muscular.
	He's, like, this, like, he has got, like, a European accent, okay?
	So then, wait.
	If you're watching.
	Did we talk about him earlier?
	Did we talk about him earlier?
	If you're watching Mustang Guy, we want to hear.
	We want to hear your side of the story.
	You're coming on the next show.
	But the thing is, like, I knew whatever the fuck he was doing.
	I was like, this man's cocky.
	I'm not going to give in to it.
	I'm just going to be like, yeah, you're not hot shit.
	I'm just like, I'm just not going to play into whatever he's going to do.
	So you finessed him for double-double animal-style fries and milkshake nine times.
	Wait, question.
	We need a calculator.
	When did he make his move?
	Because you said he tried to kiss you or whatever.
	Was that the first time you hung out?
	Or was it like the fourth In-N-Out run?
	No, he didn't try to kiss me.
	He was just like, you're going to give me a good night kiss.
	Like, he said, like, that.
	I was just like, I was like, nah, I'm good.
	Um, so.
	Wow.
	Damn.
	But like, if a guy's not, like, we've all been through the situation where it's like you make it known that you don't like a guy and they just like won't leave him.
	And they continue to continue.
	And it's like, all right, like, if you're not going to leave me, if you're not going to leave me alone anyways, might as well buy me food all the time.
	Like, if you know that I'm not in you and you just want to buy me food, go for it.
	I'm not going to stop you, you know?
	Apparently, Mustang Guy is in the chat.
	And he's Miles.
	I don't know where.
	No, I think it's probably just some guy messing up.
	She led me on.
	But is that his name?
	Is his name Miles?
	No.
	Okay.
	It's just some random guy messing around.
	He's got a European name.
	Wait, so you were saying that you've been overt with guys and you're like, hey, I'm not interested, but they still pursue you.
	Yeah, I mean, we've all been through that.
	Every girl.
	Damn.
	Yeah, it's really fun, especially when you don't know them and they're creepy.
	But you continued, despite this, you continued.
	No, that's not what I said.
	If they're creepy.
	But you did say that you've let it be known that you're not into the guy, but you'd continue to go out for dinner with him or whatever.
	Okay, so you have a guy friend and it is very odd.
	He likes you.
	He's got crushed.
	He likes you, whatever.
	And he tries to make a move on you and you make it known that you're not into him like that.
	And he keeps, and he still pursues you.
	You know how it kind of turns into a, he just wants to be around you?
	Yeah.
	You know?
	And it's like, okay, like, I liked you as like, I'll keep hanging out with you as a friend.
	Like, I will view you as a friend.
	And if you want to buy me food and stuff because you like me and you know that I don't like you.
	Yeah.
	Like if you want to torture yourself, like go for it.
	I don't want to be with you.
	Like by all means, go ahead.
	Yeah.
	I also think like men, like, like half the reason why they pursue women is for the chase.
	Like honestly, like when, like, honestly, men are, their, like, main objective is, like, let's see if I can get this girl.
	Like, let's see if I can bag this dime.
	Like, like, once they get it, and then they know, I think, like, half, like, the attraction has decreased.
	Post-nut clarity.
	I was actually talking.
	I was talking about this with my guy friends the other day.
	And my guy friend was like, if you want to keep seeing a guy, you can't have sex with them because immediately when you have sex with them, they lose all feelings.
	And I was like, I sat there.
	I was like, damn it.
	You actually like a guy.
	My mom was always like, when guys get the milk for free, they never want to buy the cow.
	That's what my mom always told me.
	Your milkshake.
	Right.
	There will be blood in the reference.
	Okay.
	So, well, there's a whole lot of things there.
	So your guys' experience has been, if you've hooked up with a guy too soon, that's it.
	That's a wrap.
	They don't care as much.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	So you have to hold out for as long as possible.
	Dude, I disagree.
	Well, I'm going to do it.
	One time I got me.
	The sooner the better.
	Second, third date, I think, is good.
	Could even be the first.
	We're on different pages.
	We are on different pages.
	I feel like maybe I'm a bit of an outlier, but like I wouldn't judge a girl necessarily if she slept with me on the second or third date.
	In fact, I think a lot of people have, I think both men and women, maybe more so men, have like a third date rule.
	Like if you don't hook up by the third date, then that's not really a good.
	What?
	Yeah.
	I think the key word here is you've heard the third date.
	No.
	Never heard the third date though.
	Well, that's never going to apply to me.
	One time I hung out with a guy and I was like, let's, okay, this guy, okay.
	This other guy.
	Okay.
	He was like, he told me, this is really funny.
	He told me, I want you to be my girlfriend.
	And he knows that I don't like hooking up with people.
	And I'm like, you're so just going to want to hook up with me.
	And I know that.
	And then he's like, I swear to God, I will not hook up with you for six months.
	And I just want to hang out with you.
	And I want you to be my girlfriend.
	I hung out with this man for two weeks.
	For two weeks.
	And then, and then, like, one time he tried to, like, get with me, and I was like, no.
	And he was, like, he literally got mad.
	He was like, he was like, it's that, it's like torture at this point.
	Like, blueballing me.
	He's the one who said, we've been hanging out for like two fucking weeks every day.
	I'm like, like, this is fucking torture.
	Like, what do you expect from me?
	I'm just like, you said six months, my guy.
	Like, I can tell, I can, like, read past men.
	Like, I know what they want.
	Like, you can, like, basically, for all like the women, like, you basically just have to, like, interpret everything that a guy is saying as if he's saying it as a way to achieve, like, get closer in getting with you.
	Like, everybody's like.
	So, if a guy says, I want to hook up with you tonight, first date.
	Not even, not even, just say, hey, do you want to come watch Netflix on my house?
	Red flag.
	No.
	He wants to fuck you.
	Like, anything, like, oh, like, or you're at a party.
	He was like, hey, let's go inside or something.
	And I went inside and he was like, let's go to the storage closet.
	I was like, what the fuck?
	The storage closet?
	Girl, that's very romantic.
	I know.
	It's a great thing.
	I was like, no, thank you.
	So take everything that men say with grain of salt.
	I feel like in Isla Vista, that's definitely true.
	Hopefully, like, when you're not in this hookup culture, it'll be better for a lot of people.
	Because I feel like most of the men here, like nine out of ten of the people here, are just looking like to fuck.
	At least in my experience, like I somehow managed to find someone to date, but it took me like a year and a half of being here to actually find someone, in my opinion, that was worth dating.
	Because everyone is just always hooking up with each other.
	I agree.
	And I mean, like, that's that's not a problem.
	Like, if you're on the same page, then yeah.
	Hook up.
	Hot girl summer.
	Yeah, hot girl summer, you know?
	But like, going back to what you said, though, because of the gnarly hookup culture here, I mean, let's be honest, guys will do anything.
	It's too easy.
	I don't think that people on this channel don't understand the UCSB hookup culture.
	But to give you some context, explain.
	I have met multiple guys who are bragging about their body counts being 80 plus.
	Yeah.
	Which fraternity?
	Sigma New.
	Shout out, Sigma New.
	I totally believe that.
	I totally believe that.
	I will throw shape.
	Okay.
	Sigma New.
	I'm going to go to the couple Sigma News that I love.
	Sigma New.
	Sigma New.
	You're invited to come on.
	No.
	And no, they're just, they're on some shit.
	But like, for context, like, that is how much people get around here and they're like bragging about it.
	And I'm like, no one thinks that's hot.
	Fun fact, we have our own strain of gonorrhea in Isla Vista.
	Isla Vista has that.
	It's on the national list of STDs.
	It's our own strain of gonorrhea.
	Yes, ma'am.
	Chris.
	I'm not proud of that.
	It has evolved in Isla Vista.
	Chris, can you, on the other window, can you pull up like a Google map of Isla Vista just so people understand?
	Just so we can give a like a lot of people.
	It's like a horrific little Disneyland.
	This is one square mile with 25,000 people under the age of 23, I think.
	We have the highest person per or 18 to 23 people per square mile in the country.
	Yeah, so basically, guys, there's UCSB, the University of California, Santa Barbara, aka the University of Casual Sex and Beer.
	And then there's also Santa Barbara City College.
	There you go.
	Okay.
	Is it F11?
	Can you zoom in, Chris?
	Give us a satellite view, Chris.
	Isla Vista is El Calejio right there.
	Oh, you want like the satellite?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so Zoom in.
	Zoom in.
	That little square.
	Are we going to get doxxed here?
	No, I was about to say, I was like, well, they know we're in Isla Vista.
	So you don't have to zoom in there, but on the right, that's fine, Chris.
	Leave it there.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So on the right is UCSB.
	What is it?
	20,000, 30,000 students, something like that.
	Basically, it's a square mile.
	It's almost 95% students live in the square mile.
	And so I guess that contributes to a substantial amount of hookups.
	Because it's just sex and partying, pretty much.
	You can go back, Chris.
	And like other colleges, if you want to go over to someone's house, from what I've heard, at least you have to take an Uber or something.
	And here, the max walk, like maximum, is 20 minutes.
	Yeah.
	And then, yeah, so it's just.
	Do you guys live in IV?
	Yeah.
	Everyone here?
	Yeah.
	It's just really weird.
	Like you don't see anyone over like 24 and no one younger than you.
	And if you're primed to bring it back, I'm like, oh my God, there's an older person.
	I get scared when I say that.
	I saw baby kids.
	I'm like, please take them away.
	I once saw a 40-year-old dude at a random party on DP, and I was like, what are you doing here?
	It was super, super senior.
	Yeah.
	Huh.
	UCSB is a social experiment.
	They were like, let's put a bunch of hot 20-somethings on the beach with alcohol, and then let's see what happens.
	And one way in, one way out.
	Pack as much as you can one square mile.
	Oh, yeah, and it's right by the beach, too.
	Yeah, it's right on the beach.
	They also have like 20 minutes.
	Everyone's like half naked all the time partying with a bunch of alcoholics.
	Every single store here, even the grocery or like the co-op or anything, they just sell alcohol.
	The Delhi.
	You know what, though?
	I feel like just because the audience is worldwide, I don't know if we should get too much into the dating meta of Isla Vista just because they're going to be like, this doesn't.
	Just for content.
	But just so people understand where you guys are coming from in terms of why you feel the way you do.
	Chris, why don't we pull up the singular super chat we have?
	Sure, we have.
	It was a frat.
	Super chat here.
	It's very super from Mr. Stephen Krug.
	Stephen Krug with the $10 Super Chat.
	Hey, Stephen, thank you, man.
	You've been here every single dating stream we've had.
	So really appreciate you, dude.
	Every time.
	Thank you, Mr. Very.
	Yeah, dude, Stephen.
	Thank you, man.
	Monetization idea.
	What if this podcast has an additional UCSB college chat theme?
	Like a college radio podcast for UCSB might be able to get a bunch of UCSB viewers that way.
	What if this podcast has an additional chat theme?
	So it's basically.
	I mean, it would be dope, like, if a large portion of people who lived in Isla Vista were like, are you going to catch the whatever show tonight at 7 p.m.?
	That'd be pretty cool.
	So I definitely was thinking about that.
	Like if we got some local buzz going.
	So yeah.
	Oh, let's just get this super chat since we got it in right now.
	Mr. Mojo Risen with the $10 Super Chat.
	Hi, Brian.
	Hello, man.
	Thank you so much for the support.
	Really appreciate it, dude.
	You were here last stream, too, on Tuesday.
	So I remember your name.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	And yeah, so, okay, so we hit on like a lot of topics there.
	I'm still curious about the In-N-Out guy.
	Meet you.
	We're name-dropping later.
	Oh, yeah.
	I will.
	Yeah.
	Don't worry about it.
	So, but see, what I don't get is if you're a player, like if he's a player, that means he's got other girls.
	He doesn't.
	Well, I told you, he just like wanted to see if he could get me.
	He couldn't.
	But I feel like most players are going to move on.
	Like, if you're not.
	No, he wants to see if he can get me.
	They like the chase.
	They like it.
	No.
	Everyone likes the chase.
	You can't play into the chase.
	No, we all want what we can't have.
	There are some masochists out there, but like most guys don't want to be challenged.
	They don't.
	They want the challenge.
	They don't love the challenge.
	But here's the thing, though.
	You do that.
	They'll be like, the more fun it is for them.
	But you do that, and you may very well push away a guy you like, too.
	so it's like it's like the delicate balance of like you do that yeah the t's like how much is too much Yeah.
	What if I just don't want him because he's a player?
	I'm just like.
	Well, you were finesseing him.
	You were doing the finesse.
	You were doing the finesse.
	But I mean, I mean, at least for me and a lot of guys I've spoken to, like if the girl is playing hard to get or it's just like moving kind of slow.
	And like, bear in mind, so I think maybe.
	They did block me.
	After nine dates, I think that's excessive.
	But I mean, at least for me, like, if, and again, I might be an outlier here.
	If I sleep with the girl, I want to pursue that.
	I want to keep seeing her.
	So for me, it's like second, third date.
	I'm not going to look at you a different kind of way.
	To me, there's other better indicators than the speed in which a girl sleeps with you to see if like she's for the streets.
	There's better indicators than like how quick she sleeps with you.
	I would hope so.
	I think.
	You sound like a nice guy, though.
	But I don't think that you're speaking for the majority of UCSB.
	So, okay.
	Yeah, I mean.
	They just want to.
	No, literally, I hear guys, the way that guys talk about girls.
	Oh my God, this was.
	Okay, I was at home in Huntington Beach, and my friend and I were sitting there tanning, and there's these like three guys sitting with these like three girls, and the girls like went to swim in the ocean.
	And one of the guys was like, so like, I don't mean to intrude, but what are you guys?
	And he's like, oh, I don't like her.
	I just fuck her.
	Like, in that voice.
	And then I was like, whoa.
	And then she's like, she wants to date me, but like, I just like want to fuck her.
	Like, in exact tone.
	Like, that's.
	Oh, I mean, there's definitely.
	There's definitely guys with the locker room talk.
	And there's certainly guys that just want to run through a bunch of girls.
	To me, though, like the whole sleep with somebody once and then never see them again.
	I think that's weird.
	I think that shit's weird.
	Even when I was younger, even when I was 18, 19, 20, if I hooked up with a girl, I wanted to pursue it.
	Did it always go somewhere?
	No.
	But there's only maybe a couple times where on my end, I was like, I only want to hook up with this girl once.
	I've had girls actually hook up with me.
	And sometimes girls also, they just want to.
	I honestly feel like it's a phase that a bunch of people like kind of have your little ho phase where you're like, oh, I'm going to sleep with a bunch of people.
	Like, oh, I'm so bad.
	Like, I'm just going to never see them again.
	And, like, that's so hot.
	Like, that's so sexy.
	And then as you like grow out of that, you're like, wow, that was kind of disgusting.
	Seriously.
	But no shame in the ho phase.
	No, no, no, shame.
	A little shame, maybe a little.
	Well, no, no.
	Just like that.
	You need to find out in college what works for you.
	No, but that's the thing is, have you ever slept with someone and regretted it?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So that's part of it.
	Then that's the shame part of it.
	That's a shame ask.
	Well, but it's still funny.
	Like, all my regrets make funny stories, so I don't really think that's a good thing.
	That's true.
	The little anecdote.
	Like, oh my God, can you believe that I fucked him?
	Like, ew.
	Or like you can, like, hook up with someone for the clout, you know?
	Clout?
	Yeah.
	Girl.
	Who did you fuck for the clout?
	Yeah.
	Name drop, name drop.
	He was in Sigma New, wasn't he?
	Oh no.
	He doesn't go to UCSB.
	Is he like famous?
	Is he famous?
	Does he have a blue check?
	Blue check.
	Musician?
	Athlete?
	Stripper?
	No, athlete.
	Okay.
	Male stripper?
	No.
	You went from athlete, and she said yes to it.
	She started stripping, isn't it?
	And I said, that's a sport, right?
	Yeah.
	Porque, no loss.
	Oh, you're definitely name-dropping after this.
	Yeah, 110.
	I have two.
	He's super ripped.
	What was his name for?
	What's it called?
	I can't say it because then if people are here from my account, then they're going to know.
	Yeah.
	By the way, Kylie has an OnlyFans.
	Yeah, by the way, reminder: as we're talking more about this, go check it out.
	It's going to be worth your while.
	Wait, circling back, though, like, but you're not.
	You're saying that, like, oh, like, you've always wanted to, like, purse, like, actually, like, date the girl, but you're not, you're not in a college town or you're not our age where it's, like, literally a constant revolving door of just hot people and cool people.
	And it's, like, got a lot of options, you know, man?
	Yeah.
	It's overwhelming.
	I mean, so I grew up in Santa Barbara, so, like, I'm a bit older, so, but, you know, I had my fun when I was younger.
	But even then, like, when I was younger, to me, to me, it didn't make sense to only hook up one time with a girl.
	Now, certainly, there's situations where, again, like the girl, she was in her mode and she just wanted to hook up once, whatever.
	Maybe I didn't put down the, how's it going?
	Put down the dizzle.
	I didn't the dizzle.
	What year were you born in?
	Yeah, what?
	Don't worry about it.
	But no, I'm trying to.
	I was watching this Curb Your Enthusiasm episode, and Larry David referred to it as the dizzle.
	Anyways, or no, it was his housemate.
	Anyways, so, but where am I going with this?
	Yeah, no, I didn't.
	I'm losing my train of thought.
	Everything's moving quick.
	Yeah, no, so I want to continue seeing a girl if I sleep with her, even if it's second, third date.
	What if it's bad?
	Yeah, yeah.
	What do you mean?
	The sex isn't that bad.
	Like, what if the sex is really bad?
	Yeah.
	Then you're like, I don't want to be afraid of it.
	I mean, she has to fuck up pretty bad for this.
	And here's an this could actually be an interesting conversation.
	Like, first, I know pretty much exactly what I want, and I like to take the lead.
	And so, like, I get, I mean, but I do think, I actually do think it's a bit easier for a girl to be good in bed, let's say.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Insofar as there's not, you don't really got to do much.
	You don't really got to do much.
	And if the, and especially, well, it depends.
	It depends.
	Depends on what you've been sitting in.
	If the guy knows what he wants, he knows how to lead.
	If he prefers to be a bit more dominant, then like I can take a virgin and I could the sex will be good.
	You can craft him into a sex dance.
	Oh, yeah.
	Being kiki, by the way.
	No, but I mean, like, that could be.
	Wait, what?
	Another virgin?
	Is she a virgin virgin?
	Well, me and her.
	Strictly virgin.
	Strictly business.
	Her virtue is intact.
	Business casual or just like strictly?
	Strictly business.
	Strictly business.
	Risky business?
	Strictly business.
	Strictly business.
	But Kylie's going to arrange something afterwards.
	Oh, I mostly do that.
	Kylie wanted to undress her early on.
	She wanted to do more.
	You wanted to do more than undress.
	That is screwed.
	I usually do that.
	Note though, like girls are way more emotionally involved usually.
	I agree with that.
	Like, we're, I would say, just a lot more complicated than guys are.
	Y'all are pretty simple.
	It's like, bam, bam, done.
	You know, girls, it's like, okay, here's a puzzle.
	Here's a quiz.
	What's this, this, this, and this?
	The Clitorus is the Rubik's Cube.
	What even is that?
	I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	What?
	What even is the Clitorus?
	What is that thing?
	We have a class at UCSB that's all about sex.
	Yeah, we do.
	And it's called Soch 152A.
	This like old couple teaches it together.
	That's so cute.
	And they talked about how men's hormones after you have sex are like they make you unattached, and women's hormones make you fall in love.
	How's that clarity, man?
	Like, it's like completely opposite, which is like, why would they do that to us?
	That's so rude.
	Like, that's like they're God was out to get us.
	I just have a quick question.
	What's up?
	So, circling back to what you were saying earlier, Al's, about how you think the guy should always pay.
	So, the kid Will in the comments said, What if you're dating?
	Do you think that if you're actually dating, he should always pay as well?
	That's a good question.
	I was gonna ask that.
	Thank you.
	I'd be great enough.
	If we're dating, first of all, I don't have that much dating experience.
	One month, by the way.
	But the guy that I did date, like, he would fight me to pay, and I would be like, Okay.
	But the thing is, I would like to fight him back.
	I would give him the same energy.
	I'd be like, no, I'm going to pay for my own food, blah, blah, blah.
	Then he'd fight me back to pay.
	But, like, you can't really expect that from guys these days.
	But I think when we're dating, I think anything's game.
	But especially if you're the one who's like making the plans.
	If you're making the plans, then, like, say, oh, let's go to dinner tonight, blah, blah, blah.
	Then I'd say, I would pay for mine.
	And then if he, or like, I think, like, I don't really think about it too much.
	I think I just, like, whatever, like, in the moment, like, if the, if the check's there, I'll grab it.
	Like, I mean, I paid, I was hanging out with my dude friends last night.
	Shout out.
	I think they're watching, anyways.
	I sent them the link, but I paid for their bill.
	So it was $120.
	You pay for the whole thing?
	They bought us the Albertsons the other day.
	Albersons?
	What do we want?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	See, it's like a cooperative thing.
	Like, they do something and then you do something.
	It's not always like you doing something all the time.
	And like, honestly, money isn't like.
	I'm like pretty grateful for everything that I have.
	So money isn't really the most important thing for me.
	I'm not going to be your sugar, mama.
	But I do enjoy.
	I think that your company, your time is the most valuable thing that's happening.
	Okay, here we go.
	If you're dating, how about the person who comes more pays for everything?
	Oh, hell yeah.
	Can we do that?
	Fun fact that has never happened.
	Who orgasms?
	Who orgasms the most?
	Really?
	Fun fact, I've never orgasmed from a person.
	No, you like keep a towel.
	Whoever comes more.
	That's a good rule.
	Yeah, I think so.
	When I had a boyfriend, we would trade off a lot of the time.
	Like, I think once.
	Yeah, I didn't want him.
	I felt bad, like, paying for me all the time.
	Like, that gets expensive.
	Like, in the end, you're both still, like, you're still humans.
	Than like money and stuff.
	I don't know.
	But it's like a first date is so much different than like a boyfriend.
	100%.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I don't know.
	Make it fun, make a game out of it.
	Like, you don't want to pay for dinner tonight?
	Okay.
	Prove it.
	Then I'm never paying for dinner.
	Oh, we're all.
	What did I miss?
	We're talking about orgasms without you.
	So whoever comes most pays.
	Because I feel like a lot of guys don't really care, you know?
	Especially, like, during hookup culture, but I want to be dating someone who cares enough.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	My rule is she comes first.
	Thank you.
	She comes first.
	A lot of men in SB don't think that.
	No, she's got to come first.
	Like, that's my rule.
	But I mean, I feel like that's, I mean, a lot of women can have multiple orgasms, though.
	So that might, I'm down with it, you know, if she comes more than she pays.
	But y'all can come like some of y'all can come back.
	Yeah, come back to back five times in five minutes, you know?
	So, okay.
	Yeah, we should maybe put that into like a law, maybe.
	Put that on my gravestone.
	Let's put that on my gravestone.
	I am.
	I'm announcing my candidacy for mayor of Isla Vista.
	I'm gonna.
	Orgasms for everyone.
	Oh, hell yeah.
	Campaign spoken.
	Orgasms for everyone.
	Free vibrators.
	So going back to the foodie call thing, we went on some crazy tangents with you.
	We like made it to that.
	We'll get some of those.
	Have you ever been on a foodie call?
	Oh, by the way, just for those of you tuning in, a foodie call is generally, well, I guess a guy could do a foodie call too, but if a woman goes on a date with a guy, the guy has a romantic interest in her, but she is really just there for the dinner.
	She doesn't have any authentic intention to date him.
	Have you ever been on a foodie call?
	I mean, no, because I think that it would be like gut-wrenching and terrible to just sit there and listen to someone that you don't like.
	Stop the cam.
	But wait, just earlier, didn't you say that there was a guy who's that's different.
	But he was into you.
	Yeah.
	Well, no, I'm not saying that that happened.
	I mean, it kind of happened to me.
	But what I'm saying is that, like, in general, if a guy is into you and they're aware of the fact that you're not into them and they still just want to do things for you, I just don't think there's anything wrong with that.
	And it's like, and if you're cool with it, like, he's very obvious.
	He's being, it's very known that he's being used.
	I mean, some guys are into that.
	You know?
	Blinded by love.
	But like, yeah.
	No.
	Personally, though, no.
	I don't think I've ever been on like a foodie date.
	I do have a deal with my friend right now, though.
	Actually, this morning, my guy friend, I drove him around for like a day, basically Zuba.
	So he's been buying my In-N-Out for like the past.
	Especially with gas prices.
	Oh, yeah.
	I've never been on a foodie call, but I feel like it's mostly because I get a lot of anxiety eating in front of like guys that I'm on dates with.
	I don't know.
	It's my first date.
	Yeah.
	And just, like, in general, honestly, like, you won't, unless I'm really comfortable with the person, you won't see me, like, chomping down a burger in front of them.
	I just think food dates are kind of awkward because.
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying, the zoo, bro.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, especially early on when you're not quite yet comfortable in silence.
	There's this feeling of you want to always have something to say or have, otherwise there's that awkward silence, which doesn't exist if you've been with someone for longer.
	Then you can sit comfortably in silence and it's not a big deal.
	Definitely.
	But like, you kind of want to eat.
	Yeah.
	Like, then the food gets cold.
	You know, and you feel like you need to be talking and filling the time, but like people don't even want to be.
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	It's that's why I was saying, like, going to the beach or going to the zoo is so much more like that's so much more my vibe for like a date.
	And I like casual things where I can really get to you're not gonna actually get to know who a person is through, like, I like through actions.
	Like, so you have to go on like a date and like doing something versus like they're all talk if you're just sitting there at dinner and they're talking about themselves.
	Like, I don't care.
	I want to see in actions.
	Drinks are good.
	Like getting drinks.
	Getting drinks, yeah, but then you get like progressively more drunk.
	That's easier.
	Kylie, ever been on a foodie call?
	Um, not in person for sure, but like as a streamer, I have a lot of like people, just random people slide into my DMs being like, oh, like let me spoil you, like let me pay for whatever.
	Um, I've had people send me like food, like they've sent me money over Venmo so that I can like get a meal on stream and like eat it because I guess they like that, like they like knowing that they gave that to me, I guess.
	So in that way, yeah, but I've never like really tried to manipulate or like take advantage of someone.
	It's just if they're offering, and I'm like, okay, like, sure, by all means.
	And are these people in Santa Barbara or just from no, no, no, just like everyone.
	Because like TikTok, exactly.
	Like TikTok, my, I think my second most viewed like country is just Britain.
	Like literally people from Europe could be watching my stream and like sending me stuff.
	And that's pretty, I think that's pretty cool.
	Like I love connecting with people, especially if it like gives me a free slushie, you know what I mean?
	You seem like the type of girl looks-wise that British guys would like.
	Really?
	That's like the strangest compliment.
	I don't know.
	Is that a compliment?
	It might not be.
	I think it's a compliment.
	That's weird.
	My, my, um, my audience.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	My audience on TikTok is mostly Australia.
	It's really weird.
	Yeah.
	Like, I think RAM shows you.
	Like, it just shows you where I think it's because of your Sailor Moon TikTok that you did.
	What about that?
	Does in Australia?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Down on the side.
	Mine is like old man.
	So, okay.
	But you said guys would DM you, like, slide into your DMs.
	Oh, all the time.
	Like, how many DM?
	Do you get at least a few DMs a day?
	Oh, whenever a TikTok would blow up, get like hundreds of thousands of views, I would get like thousands of new DMs.
	You're not exaggerating.
	Not exaggerating in the slightest.
	Just from TikTok.
	Yeah, just from like TikTok.
	But like, when you say you get a lot of views on like a TikTok?
	A couple hundred thousand.
	A couple hundred thousand to like a million, like around there.
	It just depends on like if it gets on the for you page, you know, but would you post on TikTok?
	Well, on that.
	Is that like thirst traps for OnlyFans?
	No, not at all.
	It's literally just gaming content.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	That makes sense because a lot of guys consume it.
	And then it would be linked to like the gaming Instagram that I have and then they would just like shoot me an Apex pickup line, you know, be like, some of them are really weird.
	Like my DMs on that account are a horrible place.
	I can imagine.
	I discovered that a small penis humiliation is a thing.
	Oh, I've been down.
	That's on euphoria.
	Yeah.
	No, I got to go through that.
	It was pretty, pretty awesome.
	And was that a small?
	Yeah, you just got to talk shit.
	Was that a service that you provided on your OnlyFans?
	Not at that point.
	Because I know that on OnlyFans, the guys can request videos and they can also chat with you, right?
	And so I imagine that some guys will get into their kinks or whatever.
	Oh, 100%.
	Small penis humiliation is.
	First time I saw that, I was like, What the fuck?
	Like, I didn't realize people were into that in the slightest, but it's actually pretty common.
	Like, if you're if your dick is this small, like, what are you gonna do with it except can you show us again?
	Probably like that.
	Have you guys ever seen a micro penis?
	Yeah, have you?
	Wait, like, in person?
	Yes, was it the Mustang guy?
	Is that why you didn't?
	No, I've never, I've never, like, I've never even made out with him.
	Okay.
	Yeah, but I have, yeah, I left immediately.
	I'm sorry.
	Wait, the micro guy?
	Yeah.
	You left?
	Yeah.
	Immediately.
	Whoa, hold on.
	Are you exaggerating?
	Like, you left immediately.
	Immediately.
	It's like startled me.
	It scared you.
	Yeah.
	You were frightened.
	I don't think you understand what a micropenis.
	Oh, I understand.
	It's like a belly button, but like an Audi.
	That's it.
	Yeah.
	Wait, a very aggressive Audi.
	Because there are guys who are growers, not showers.
	No, he is fully grown.
	He was a wreck.
	Fully grown.
	Fully erect.
	Fully erect.
	And I'm so sorry for this man, but I'm sorry for I wish him the best.
	So did you.
	I'm so sorry.
	When you left, were you just like, I gotta go?
	I was like.
	Did you say anything?
	I was like, sorry.
	And then I left.
	He must have cried himself.
	Like, what are you supposed to do?
	Like, kiss it?
	You know?
	Yeah, you can't really do that.
	What are you giving me nothing to work on?
	I'm not gay.
	I'm sorry.
	A finger jaw.
	If I wanted to be with a girl, I would.
	But like, no.
	Hello, darkness smile.
	Wow.
	God damn.
	This is like the third conversation about micropenises I've had in like the past week.
	I don't know what's going on.
	Micropenae.
	Thank you.
	So that must have been pretty brutal for him.
	Wait, was it a leak?
	Is that actually Andrew Tate?
	Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
	Am I going to get canceled?
	No.
	No, that's definitely not.
	He's coming on the show, though.
	No, that's not them.
	It's probably just some guy posing as him.
	Andrew Tate, we've been DMing.
	If that's actually you.
	No, that's just some guy posing as Andrew Tate.
	For sure.
	We will get Andrew Tate, guys, in, I think, November.
	He will come on the show.
	He will be a guest.
	Can I be there?
	Yeah, can we be there?
	Yes.
	No, when.
	So he said, he might not like them.
	Well, he said that he's going to be in the States in like November, December.
	And I've been texting him since October.
	Who is violent?
	He's like this super viral, super viral.
	He hates women.
	You know what, though?
	I think it's a bit of a damn.
	Like an incel type.
	No, I was talking to someone about this.
	I know that.
	He's definitely not an incel, though.
	Me too.
	He's not.
	He's very educated on his opinions.
	It's just like, I feel like he says.
	He has some hot takes.
	Yeah, he's just, I feel like sometimes he layers it on like just to get like the clickbait.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, oh, Andrew Tate says that.
	He says controversial things and it clearly works because he went because I was talking to him back in October.
	I was actually aware of Andrew Tate since like 2019, 2020.
	But I think a couple months ago, he had like 200, 300,000 followers on Instagram.
	He's got like 2.5 or 3 mil on Instagram now.
	He's been blown up on TikTok.
	A bunch of people are interviewing him.
	And he's very interesting.
	I don't agree with him on everything.
	I definitely agree with him on some stuff.
	And so he definitely, he would agree with you guys on the overall topic of the show, which is he's like, yeah, of course.
	Guy pays.
	Yeah, but like, obvious, like, you know, it's very apparent.
	Like when people do things for like the shock value and to get more like more popular.
	But even with that, then that begs the question of like, okay, so is the shock value of saying this messed up thing more important to you than actually believing that and having morals?
	You know?
	For some people, yeah.
	I mean, he's making the bag now.
	Like, he's farming views.
	He's getting so many lights.
	Oh, yeah.
	He's making money.
	Don't get me wrong.
	He's smart and he's educated.
	People are talking about him.
	So like, no press is bad press.
	I guess.
	I mean, yeah.
	We've been messaging on Instagram and we will try to get them on the show.
	I would love to.
	I'm going to do a one-on-one interview with him and then I think I'll try to get him on to do one of the dating talk shows too.
	Yeah, that'd be super interesting.
	Sure.
	Can we all be there?
	Just like stay in touch.
	Stay in touch.
	Speaking of hot takes, are you guys, it's a little, is it warm in here for you guys at all?
	Or are you guys okay?
	Temperature-wise.
	Oh, I can't lift my arms to say that.
	I'm sticking to the chair, but I kind of like it.
	She says, oh, I guess it's a little bit of a shit.
	Hey.
	Hey, Chris, can you just pop the double doors open?
	And I think it's just so warm.
	And if we get a little extra noise, it's okay.
	What does get me a refill mean?
	Get me a refill.
	We also...
	Are you talking about that?
	Oh, my God, it's...
	Wait, this one or that one?
	Yeah, I'm talking about you.
	Smells like Teen Spirit morals.
	What is she talking about?
	Do you think he cares?
	Who?
	Kirk O'Bain.
	Cares?
	About what?
	About who pays on the first date?
	It was a joke about the song that's like, I don't care.
	Like, it's just, he repeatedly says that.
	Oh, and smells like Teen Spirit.
	It's okay.
	You're uneducated.
	Whoosh.
	Went right over my head.
	Hi, Carlos.
	Bro, I really love Carlos.
	Like, being like, I actually can't run.
	I tore my knee three months ago.
	I tore my patella.
	I have like a very rare knee injury.
	I was my first night in Cabo San Lucas on spring break.
	I was walking and I fell and I slipped.
	I was actually with a boy when this happened and he like barely helped me.
	Didn't talk to me again after.
	I was like, wow.
	But that would be really awkward if you're watching this.
	Bro, you should give Carlos a chance.
	But then I won the twerk comp the next day after I like fully dislocated my knee.
	You won the twerk comp?
	After, yeah, the Mingo Deck twerk comp.
	Can you, are we going to get a demo?
	Oh my fucking shit.
	Oh, Daniel, bro.
	Yeah.
	Wait, like on the table.
	Anyone see the video?
	I like, actually, the video is a little explicit.
	There's a little explicit.
	I mean, if you're bad as I get on the table and shake some ass.
	What's that?
	But when I fell, I tore my patella tendon and when my tendon tore and tore off a piece of bone.
	And so then I came back from Cabo and I had surgery on April 14th.
	And I just started to be able to walk without a crutch about a month ago.
	And I can run.
	I think I'm going to get clear to run in two weeks.
	Okay, dude, I did something kind of similar to that, like same premise.
	So also, side note, the week before my birthday for the past three years, I've like significantly broke myself snowboarding.
	Nice.
	But I also messed my knee up, fully tore my ACL, my meniscus, everything.
	And I was snowboarding, and where I was, like, it had an Olympic park.
	So like giant rails.
	And I just, I messed up on a rail and I straight up, I was with a boy.
	I was totally trying to impress him.
	I literally hit a pole straight on sideways with my legs, snapped them, and then I didn't notice that that, I didn't notice that that even happened because I couldn't feel it.
	And long story short, I got surgery and I told a male nurse that his man bun was really ugly and that I shaved for him.
	Wow.
	Because I was really high.
	I'm just.
	Are you man bun shaming?
	How dare you?
	I mean, hey, I'm just saying, look, very few people can pull it off.
	Like, if you can pull it off, it's impressive.
	But most people can't.
	Let's go back to micropenises.
	Bring it back.
	Bring it back.
	Always.
	And I know we've just, we've been having a bit of fun, but I do want to maybe try to bring it.
	Yeah, man.
	Honestly, give us a really brutal, like, we'll be completely honest.
	All right, you got something to tell us about micropenises?
	Do you have?
	Brian, I'm so sorry to hear that.
	I don't know.
	When were you diagnosed?
	It's self-diagnosed.
	So sad.
	It's self-diagnosed.
	Average in the bulge, I would say.
	Crow, we're not.
	Okay.
	Oh, bro.
	What's the exact inch count?
	What's that?
	Oh, I'm not telling you my size, but tell you what.
	I will tell you my size if every lady here tells us the body count.
	The labia size.
	What the fuck?
	I haven't measured it.
	You're aware that you're like 10 years older than all of us, right?
	What does that have to do with that?
	Age is just a numbers right now.
	Y'all just solicited my penis size.
	So, I mean, it's kind of like a penalty.
	Hey, one of us.
	One of us.
	Me, yeah.
	One.
	Micropenis.
	Micropena.
	But wait, hold on.
	Let me challenge you on that.
	What does my age have to do with it?
	With asking that question.
	For like 19, 20-year-old girls about their vagina, and I want to say you're like 35.
	33.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That was a good question.
	But what, I mean, I don't see what?
	What does my age have to.
	Would it have been a more appropriate question if I was 21?
	No, it's just.
	Never mind.
	I just.
	Okay.
	I don't think I've ever told anyone my labia size because I've never seen it.
	I don't know.
	I'm going to go home.
	I'm going to find out now.
	Like, which, like, where do you measure?
	Do you like stretch it out like a butterfly?
	Or does it just like unstretched?
	This is such a great discussion.
	Anyways, who should pay on the first date?
	Anyway, anyways, I couldn't tell you my labia size if I wanted to.
	No, literally.
	And how do I compare it?
	Like, I've never seen another girl's labia.
	Like, you're like looking in the mirror.
	Like, I've never viewed another girl's labia.
	Like, how do I know how long it is?
	And all, like, the pictures of vaginas.
	Well, there's like innies.
	There's innies and outia.
	Yeah, you would know better.
	Are there actually?
	There's innies and outies.
	Is there?
	What's that?
	I don't know if anyone here has had experience with vaginas.
	I don't know.
	Well, there's like innies and outies, so to speak.
	Oh, yeah.
	There's also MIDIs.
	My friends and I freshman year all diagnosed each other.
	As midis?
	Okay.
	No, well, no, like what?
	There's like the categories.
	You're either an innie, a midi, or an outie.
	There's three.
	Like, it's not, there's not a black and white, the gray area.
	It's a midi.
	I'm going to need to see some like picture references after this because I'm very confused.
	It's like peeking out a little.
	An innie is like just the flaps, and then an Audi is like, it's like fully like out.
	No hate on any of them.
	All vaginas are.
	All vaginas are beautiful.
	I'm with you.
	I'm with you on that.
	Do you think it's a turnoff if a girl has like a certain type of vagina?
	Because like I have a friend in the middle.
	If she got a vagina, she got a vagina.
	And you're lucky to be there.
	Men don't care, man, but I'm like, so sorry, go ahead, continue.
	By the way, guys, if we can, just try to keep it to one mic at a time.
	One of my friends once, like, she, this, she hooked up with this guy, and then he was, like, making fun of her, like, went and told all of his friends.
	She had his Audi.
	Yeah, and I was like, that's just so messed up.
	Like, I don't know.
	But then, also, like, I guess it's like kind of like making fun of someone's dick size.
	Right?
	Kind of a double standard, isn't it?
	But no, so my take on that is as far as like I like Audis actually.
	I mean, whatever it is, if it's an any, I like it.
	If it's an Audi, I like it.
	I actually would say, maybe I'm exposing myself here.
	Do it.
	I'm going to say it, labia love.
	Audis, I like Audis.
	Okay.
	Maybe.
	Okay.
	I'm not going to, if a girl has an any, don't discriminate.
	I'm not, that's not a no for me.
	But like, Audis are nice.
	Okay.
	Fair enough.
	Pussy is pussy, bro.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I don't.
	Vagina friction.
	Audio tongue accessible.
	That's facts.
	Well said.
	Like, I don't think I've ever made fun of someone being like, oh, yeah, like, he has a small dick.
	Like, we can't control that.
	Like, bro, if he's going to say she has big labia, just say he has a small dick.
	Like, nobody's going to check.
	Her labia was huge, bro.
	I hate it, bro.
	I don't think anyone's ever said that.
	No, sometimes if it's too big, it's like.
	The bigger the better.
	The bigger, the better.
	Oh, the bigger labia.
	Like the Jurassic Park gates.
	What the fuck, Chris?
	But the.
	What do you think, Chris?
	What are your opinions?
	So I think.
	I've only seen my mom when I came out.
	Jesus Christ.
	I would never go back into a vagina.
	He said I will never.
	There's a fucking 50 DKP minus.
	What the fuck?
	What?
	What's my?
	They didn't even hear it.
	He just said.
	Minus 50 DKP minus.
	I haven't been in another woman's vagina except my mother's when she pushed me out.
	Why would I want to go back in?
	I spent all of these things.
	I spent nine months.
	Nine months trying to get out of a vagina.
	He was ruining there.
	He was growing.
	I'm about to go.
	I don't like that kind of talk.
	Okay, so there are definitely guys that shame women for their labia.
	I've heard terms like beef curtains, wizard sleeve.
	And I know this sounds, I know this shit, I know it sounds funny, but I do think it's...
	So it's fucked up.
	It is offensive because that's something.
	Well, I guess there's labia placedie, but like, don't fucking chop.
	Like, don't do it.
	That would hurt.
	Barbies.
	Don't do it.
	But I do really, like, there are some girls, and I've definitely had experience.
	I hooked up with one girl.
	She had an Audi.
	And I was for it, but she was self-conscious because a previous guy had made some comments and she was insecure about it.
	And I was like, no, I like it.
	Like, that guy's a dick, blah, blah, blah.
	So, yeah, I don't know.
	I think it's in the same way.
	It's bullying.
	In the same way that I would think.
	Yeah, in the same way that I would think, like, if a girl was penis shaming the guy, oh, and you know what?
	Let's talk about that.
	I don't think anybody should be shamed for their genitalia, be the man, be the woman.
	But I would say it does seem to be the case.
	The shame in penises has just gotten more acceptable.
	I disagree with it, but you hear terms like big dick energy, which I suppose is a compliment to men with big dicks, but you can infer from that that if someone has big dick energy, they got small dick energy, ergo.
	If you have a smaller and average-sized penis, there's something wrong with you, son.
	And I don't think that's right.
	I don't think that's fair.
	I mean, body shaving isn't okay in any aspect.
	It's just, it's like banter, I guess.
	The reason that like dick shaming is probably so relevant.
	It's socially acceptable.
	Yeah, it's I don't think it should be though.
	Well, I guess it's just like, oh, how was he?
	And like, maybe if she didn't have a good time, like, that's her first instinct to be like, oh, yeah, like, his dick was small.
	Like, if she was feeling insecure, or if, like, a guy was feeling insecure, he could say the same thing about her pussy.
	It's like, oh, I've heard a, it was like a hot dog in a hallway.
	I've heard that one a lot.
	Like, oh, yeah, she has hella bodies.
	Like, I basically couldn't even feel anything.
	And I was like, really?
	Or is your dick just small?
	Yeah.
	It's like that.
	Like, it's just, for me, it's the banter.
	Like, I don't think I've ever seriously been like, yeah, his dick was like fucking tiny and meant it like in a really rude way.
	It's like, but have any of you guys used the term big dick energy?
	Yeah, this girl's got it right here.
	Hardcore.
	Have you met Crayley?
	But would you similarly be okay?
	So who thinks like the term big dick energy is like, it's okay?
	I don't know.
	It's like a phenomenon.
	It's the energy someone gives off.
	So let me ask you a question.
	We're going to start with Aline here.
	Would you be okay with the term small tit energy?
	Small titty energy.
	Yes, small tits rise up.
	What?
	Period.
	Dude, like, I'm never going to sag, like, ever.
	Like, that's amazing.
	What about loose?
	Okay.
	Dude, it's in now.
	Like, it's like model body type.
	And guys like it.
	So, like, I'm not complaining.
	I actually prefer smaller breasts.
	So when I ask that question, I'm not saying that.
	Oh, is it like an offensive type of way?
	Well, yeah.
	So, I mean, definitely.
	I think some guys certainly have preference for larger breasts.
	But I think one thing some women are insecure about if they have smaller breasts or they're flat or whatever.
	Maybe flat's not the right word, but they might be insecure about that.
	And so small tit, and some guy might say, oh, small tit energy, you know?
	That's how different is.
	You can kind of see it.
	Yeah, like it's like loose pussy energy.
	Loose pussy.
	Is loose pussy energy.
	That is funny.
	Matt.
	Hold on, let me think.
	Cavernous Vadge energy.
	Oh my god.
	Is that Grand Canyon Vadge?
	Is that offensive, Aline?
	Is it offensive?
	No.
	I think that's funny as fuck.
	Okay.
	It is kind of funny.
	Because they'll never know.
	You can't prove it.
	Sure.
	It's just a guy saying shit, and guys say shit all the time.
	I think it's a funny joke.
	I can say, oh, he has a small dick energy.
	But there is kind of like a political correctness.
	I just don't get offended that easily.
	So maybe other people.
	Personally, I don't find it offensive, but I feel like if we're going to start playing by the, if we're going to start playing by the rules of everything is offensive nowadays, I don't agree with that.
	I don't think it should be that.
	Everything's offensive.
	Everybody, you know.
	But I think we have to be consistent in what we find offensive or what we find offensive.
	To each individual, to each their own.
	Right.
	There's nobody's going to, like, like the whole mass is no one's going to have like the same thoughts.
	Everyone's going to be like subjective to like what they're thinking.
	So like you can't please everyone and like not one person is right all the time.
	So you kind of just have to like be open-minded and like keep your opinions to yourself if you think it's going to hurt someone else.
	But like don't also don't force opinions on other people is what I think.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I can honestly I couldn't agree more with Elene.
	Aline.
	Yeah.
	So cavernous vag energy, not a problem.
	That's not a term people use, so I just think if it was.
	If it wasn't it, I wouldn't care.
	Got it.
	Some people would be offended.
	Equality?
	Equality.
	So there's either small energy.
	Cavernous vag energy.
	Cavernous vag and small dick energy.
	Would be the equivalents.
	Yeah.
	What about like balls?
	Thoughts on low-hanging balls?
	I'm about to get exposed here.
	Oh, my God.
	Do you like your balls touched or no?
	Wait, wow.
	I don't like that.
	Hold on.
	I don't like balls, dude.
	Yeah.
	Go for it.
	Thank you.
	So, wait, hold on.
	So.
	Okay, should we like finish that and come back to the ball function?
	Yeah, we got just a little distracted just because she had to get up to go to the bathroom.
	So your thoughts on the sort of small boobs.
	Small.
	Cavernous Vadge.
	Small dick energy, okay.
	Cavernous Vag energy, okay.
	Well, I mean, cavernous vag is just so descriptive.
	And like, like, when you say, oh, sorry.
	Whenever, like, so if someone says that, it's like, there's an image in my head.
	You know, there's, it's not, like, if I'm thinking big dick energy, it's just, it's just a normal term.
	Like, cavernous vag.
	Like, I don't know.
	I, I'm not okay.
	You can say cavernous vag if you want.
	I don't really care, but I'm not, I would never say that myself.
	But, like, I say girls.
	I would never say that to a guy.
	But, like, big dick energy is kind of like a gender-neutral term, even though, like, people don't have dicks.
	It's a very good idea.
	Like, how she just referred to me.
	Like, she was like, she has big dick energy.
	It doesn't, like, I can say, dick, she has big dick energy.
	I don't disagree with that.
	It can still, you could say an animal has big dick energy, right?
	Well, I don't know.
	So, pause.
	Right?
	Pause.
	No.
	Dolphins.
	No.
	You can't say specially.
	No, Hold on, hold on.
	Hey, oh, Bolt's kind of hot, though.
	Jesus.
	What?
	Okay.
	Let me walk that back here.
	So yes, I understand that you could refer to a woman having big dick energy, but the implication is that big dicks are desirable.
	Thus, small dicks are undesirable or to be laughed at or to be.
	No, that's not how.
	If someone has like a nine-inch dick, it's just like not a word.
	Ideal dick size.
	It's not the size, bro.
	It's not the size of the wave.
	It's not the size of the wave.
	It's the motion of the ocean.
	So true.
	Words.
	Yeah.
	So, how did we, where were, okay, you gave your take, right?
	No.
	On boobs?
	Was it on the comparison?
	No, it's just, for me, I just think it's funny because someone who would say that, like a guy that would be like, oh yeah, she has cavernous vag energy, would get zero pussy.
	Facts.
	Like, that's why I think it's funny because I know that someone who says that would I think most women would quarrel, would take quarrel with a guy using that term in the same way that either like a man or woman just would say big dick energy.
	Like people just let that shit slide.
	Yeah.
	I feel like for me, if someone said that to me, I would laugh in his face.
	Yeah.
	Because I'm like, is that an insult?
	Like, you're never going to know.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	Chris, let's move on from the genitalia.
	Chris, can you pull up the Twitch window?
	I need to shout out the Twitch homies.
	Twitch homies.
	Serious question.
	Oops.
	Yeah, we have other TikToks we can react to.
	Oh, awesome.
	We need to go back to the other topic.
	Oh, God.
	What was that?
	The ball fondling.
	Oh, Jesus.
	Do you want to get your balls fondled?
	Let me just hit these Twitch people.
	By the way, guys, we are also live on Twitch, twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow if you've got an account.
	If you have an Amazon Prime, show us a little love.
	It's totally free.
	And so thank you to J Card underscore, is that SI or SJ?
	I can't see.
	Thank you for the Prime sub, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Metal and Bones.
	Thank you for the follow.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Okay, Chris, let's pull up one of the loaded videos.
	What about the ball fondling?
	Oh, the ball.
	Okay, Chris.
	Just give it a quick yes or no.
	No, just give it a quick yes or no.
	Okay, first, do you like fondling with balls?
	And then second, we all have to say, do we like fondling?
	Or do you like balls being fondled?
	And do we like fondling with balls?
	I've never.
	Well, I've never fondled balls before.
	Right.
	Just to clarify.
	Yeah, yeah, I'm perceived.
	I don't know if I, how much I want to expose myself here.
	Literally, quickly.
	I don't know.
	I feel like it's like a secret.
	Like, a lot of guys like it, but it's like, for some reason, like, weird to talk about.
	It's like taboo.
	But it's still a part of your penis.
	Like, why is the shaft isn't weird, but the balls are.
	Okay, I'm going to answer this.
	Hold on, wait.
	Answer the balls question.
	Okay.
	So I really like it.
	Good for you.
	Do you think that's common?
	Most men do.
	Do I think it's common?
	What do you think most guys do?
	Honestly, I feel like us guys, we don't really talk like that.
	Hey, Chris.
	I don't.
	Yo, Chris.
	Chris, let's get your opinion.
	Dude, yeah, I've never, I feel like guys don't.
	If there was an earthquake, it's the only thing that would make me feel safe.
	I will say that.
	Oh.
	Oh, like you need reassurance.
	If there was an earthquake.
	it was a funny joke just i think it whooshed a little bit over my head So.
	Groundbreaking.
	Sucking balls?
	Word.
	Actually.
	She said.
	She said.
	I prefer that to regular head.
	I'm not going to lie.
	I'd rather have that thank you.
	Some guys like head over sex.
	That's crazy to me.
	I prefer sex.
	Because there's no protection involved sometimes.
	I mean, can't you have sex without protection?
	She's responsible.
	She's only.
	Wait, are you on birth control?
	It doesn't matter.
	Well, you can.
	It matters.
	Did you not hear we have our own strain of gonorrhea?
	Yeah.
	But it's more about.
	If you're dating, if you're committed to something.
	Yeah, but most of the time, like, we have our own strain of gonorrhea.
	If I'm on birth control, I'm still going to use protection.
	Really?
	But have you ever been on birth control?
	We have our own strain.
	I am on birth control.
	No, but what I'm saying is you're in a committed relationship with the guy.
	You've been seeing him for a while.
	You're on birth control.
	Still use condoms?
	No.
	Okay.
	Agreed.
	Yeah.
	If it's just one guy, no.
	But yeah, if it's the way you know if he's cheating.
	Like, if you get a new disease, you're going to be like, where the fuck did you rather not go to that extreme?
	The tried and true SDD test.
	No, yes.
	Or the infidelity test, rather.
	The infidelity test.
	Wait, okay.
	Balls.
	What was I asking?
	No, we have to go around and say whether we enjoy ball touching or not.
	I do not personally stay.
	She doesn't like ball touches.
	I hate balls.
	Especially the saggy ones.
	Like, okay, this is getting real.
	Come on, please.
	When they're like long, it's like an extra like whap.
	It's like a bam.
	Like missionary?
	Yeah, you guys get like slap.
	It's like getting backsplash from a toilet.
	I'm not going to lie.
	It's like, is that what you're doing to the balls?
	No, missionary.
	Stiring missionary.
	Yeah.
	It's not great.
	That's fine.
	I feel like that has led me to entirely ghost a guy.
	That's why I stick to anal sex.
	Oh.
	That wasn't me.
	That was a sound.
	God's loophole right there.
	That's why you don't have missionary sex, guys.
	Okay.
	Huh?
	No sex at all, ever.
	Do you guys ever have Rimel urge to love you during missionary?
	Man of God.
	Abstinence, of course.
	Are we, I guess, do you guys have a bunch of people?
	Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go around.
	I don't even know.
	Balls?
	Talk about balls.
	I mean, my answer is pretty simple.
	It's for me to know and for whomever to find out.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That was a chair squeak, by the way.
	Like, sometimes I'll dopple in it and see their reaction.
	If there's no reaction, I'm not going to keep doing it.
	I used to dislike it when I was younger.
	I don't know why.
	It's an acquired taste.
	It's an acquired tour.
	Acquired taste.
	It's a bit of mature.
	Kylie.
	I will do whatever makes him feel the best.
	So if he's like, hey, I like this, I'll try it.
	You know, like, no, I feel like no matter what it is, I'm a very open person.
	If he's like, oh, like, I want you to take control or like, I want to be dominant.
	Like, I really don't care.
	So you're so submissive that you would, if the guy wants you to be domino.
	No, I'm just a people pleaser.
	Okay.
	Like, it's just, I'm very flexible with what I like.
	Like, I'll just, like, if he wanted to roleplay, I'd be like, hell yeah, what costume, bro?
	Okay, this is a, this is a discussion I've had with many people.
	This is one of the first questions I've asked a lot of my guy friends is like, would you let a girl eat your ass?
	And I feel like that's a really taboo thing.
	Like a lot of guys are like, oh, like that's super gay.
	Like that's like, why would I ever do that?
	And I'm like, okay, then I won't be your friend.
	You know what I mean?
	It's not gay, but if she if she wanted to peg you, that's a little.
	Yeah, that's a little sussy.
	That's like getting over to that side.
	But I don't know.
	If he's clean, why not?
	If it feels better, I'd do it.
	I don't care.
	Damn.
	Word.
	A word.
	Word.
	Respect.
	Wow, we've jumped around a whole bunch of different.
	I feel like we've kind of derailed substantially from kind of the main topic.
	But Chris, let's pull up.
	Oh, yeah, the videos.
	Oh, yeah.
	Facts.
	Paying on a first date.
	Let's go.
	Calls the whacking the thunderclap.
	So true.
	Sapphire.
	Next one.
	Not this one.
	If you want to just hit control tab, Chris.
	Yeah, here.
	Just play that one.
	One, two, three, and go!
	Next one, Chris.
	I'm going to give my two cents on who pays on a first date.
	And this might not be a popular opinion, and that's okay.
	I've never been one to go with the grain anyway.
	So basically, I listen to my ancestors.
	El que invita paga.
	What that means is if I invite you somewhere, I'm paying.
	If I say, hey, let me take you out, I'm going to pay.
	I always show up prepared to pay for my stuff anyway.
	But if you invited me, you took me out of my routine, you're taking me somewhere to potentially spend money that I wasn't planning on spending, I expect you to pay.
	And that's not an expectation because you're a man.
	It's not an expectation because I'm a woman.
	It's an expectation because you said I'd like to take you here or there.
	It's no other reason except for that.
	You might have a different opinion, but if I invite, I'm paying.
	If you invite, you're paying.
	That's it.
	And if you can't figure it out, then speak about it in advance.
	Go full screen, Chris.
	All right, so I mean, I'm just going to.
	I like that.
	I like it.
	I agree with that.
	Also, her eyeliner looked fantastic.
	I'm going to disagree.
	I'm going to disagree.
	All that shit she said.
	You didn't like her eyeliner?
	Oh, no.
	I don't give a fuck about the eyeliner.
	No.
	So I'll just reiterate what I already said.
	De facto, as far as the guy or whoever asks, they should pay, the thing is, is that the sort of way that the dating meta is, men de facto have to initiate.
	So.
	It depends on your mind.
	Men de facto initiate.
	You can get a better girl.
	That's the thing is, I can't sit around and say I'd really wish if women started initiating because I can't be in that position because broadly speaking, I'm not saying all women.
	There are definitely women that do initiate, but it's pretty rare.
	It's very rare.
	I think I had a girl ask me out once.
	She got me a burrito.
	I was very thankful.
	And I actually like that.
	I'm not going to lie.
	I like when it's nice if they take initiative.
	That's nice.
	I like it because it's so rare.
	I feel like guys really like that.
	Because most men are not inundated.
	Most men are not validated in that way.
	Now, you might say, oh, men shouldn't have to be validated, but I do think a lot of guys would genuinely appreciate it.
	And it'd be like a breath of fresh air.
	But I think just you are sort of in a better position as a woman to be, no, well, not even financially, but you are in a better, let's say, negotiating position if someone's coming to you.
	In the same way, like, for example, if I'm, you know, you might have this guy, you're a Twitch streamer.
	You've probably been approached for like sponsorships and stuff, right?
	Who's in a stronger position if you're reaching out to the company proposing a sponsorship or they're coming to you?
	It's them coming to me.
	So I've tried to reach out to companies for sponsorships.
	They won't respond.
	I'm probably going to get a lower price than I otherwise could.
	But if they come to me, I'm in the stronger negotiating position.
	So not to like, not to reduce dating and relationships between men and women.
	I don't want to make it sound transactional.
	I'm just using an analogy.
	And that's kind of what we're doing right now.
	You know, like the transactional, like reducing going on dates to purely like who's paying, you know, like it's kind of making it transactional, which is why I'm like 50-50.
	No, let me put in a new perspective of why men should pay.
	First of all, the pink tax.
	Do you know how much men raisers are versus women raisers?
	Women raisers are significantly more expensive because they're pink and they're for women.
	Women's deodorant is more expensive than men's.
	We also make significantly less than men in the work industry.
	And on top of that, women wear makeup.
	And I'm not saying that men can't wear makeup, but it's like more typical that they don't.
	So if you think about that, that's if we're going out for a date, we're doing our makeup, and like things just cost more for women.
	So it kind of defeats the little income gap there.
	I mean...
	In a way, if you want to think about it, if you want a justification for paying for someone's date.
	So I do think that there are certainly ways in which women have to spend more on certain things, but I mean, I think you can also make the same argument for men.
	Like, what?
	Well, men, because of our larger size, we need to eat more food.
	So our base metabolic, I mean, I know it sounds silly, but I mean, we do need to eat more food just for maintenance.
	So we need to eat more food.
	So there's that.
	Women can eat a lot of food.
	Yeah, also.
	We know you eat a lot of food.
	Also, that's your biology.
	People aren't forcing you or charging you a tax to buy more food because you are more hungry.
	We literally have to pay a tax, like she was saying, to get any sort of feminine product, you know?
	So no one's forcing you to buy more food.
	Buy a bunch of ramen.
	You can save money.
	But okay, so this is definitely an interesting conversation.
	So as far as the ping tax goes, some of that stuff, I mean, I'm not sure how closely it applies, but the makeup one, for example, what if the guy was like, I'm giving you a makeup pass?
	In fact, I've actually asked girls not to wear makeup when they meet me because I don't give a fuck.
	I don't wear makeup for guys.
	I wear it for myself.
	Yeah.
	It's what makes me feel more.
	don't get me wrong I feel completely confident without makeup and stuff but that's I would if I'm going on a date and I want to look nice and I it's what I prefer I'm not doing it to be like oh my god I really hope he likes my eyeliner tonight because he's probably not going to notice I know that.
	It's for myself.
	And I like it for myself.
	So if they tell me not to wear makeup, I honestly would be like, you'd find that off-putting.
	I would find that off-putting.
	I'm like, I don't wear makeup.
	That's what I think.
	But couldn't you view it in a way like he is less interested in your appearance?
	Kind of.
	If we're doing something nice and we're taking pictures, I'm going to want to put makeup on.
	Say I am someone who wears a ton of makeup and I feel super insecure without any makeup on, then I'm just going to feel insecure the whole time.
	So they shouldn't have any say in my makeup that I wear.
	Yeah, it shouldn't matter, though.
	Like it doesn't matter whether a girl feels insecure without makeup or whether she's more comfortable with makeup.
	It doesn't matter her reason.
	Makeup is makeup.
	And it's like a lot of things about women.
	It literally does not matter why we do things with our own bodies.
	And it's nobody else's opinion.
	With that being said, why did you ask girls to not wear makeup on first dates?
	Or just dates in general?
	So.
	He wants to see if they're catfish.
	Honestly, anything more than some eyeliner is kind of a letdown for me, not gonna lie.
	Anything what?
	Anything more than eyelashes?
	Like some eyeliner, it's a bit of a letdown for me.
	Fake lashes on a date.
	What's that?
	Fake lashes?
	i'm not a fan but i i don't feel like well okay i'll say this and so So, like, if a girl has like, what's the powder on the face called?
	Powder.
	Powder.
	Is this powder?
	So, like, by the way, I'm not saying that women shouldn't wear makeup, but like, it's just like a personal preference.
	This is my personal preference.
	Like, honestly, maybe I'm low maintenance.
	Like, you don't have to wear makeup around me.
	Like, I don't care.
	Obviously, like standard grooming stuff and, you know, being clean or whatever.
	But, yeah, I mean, I don't, I honestly, I don't like makeup.
	I don't like the look of it so much.
	A little eyeliner is okay, I guess.
	But the big thing is, is if you're kissing a girl and the fucking shit gets on your pillow, or like you're kissing and it gets on your face, I don't like that.
	I'm prone to acne, so you've got to make up this skin flawless.
	The acne gets on my face and then I'll she needs a better setting spray.
	I mean the like the pillow thing makes sense, but I'm curious about like why with again a lot of things why do you think that the girl is wearing makeup specifically for you?
	I didn't say that.
	Well you mean expressing the opinion of what you like and don't like and then you ask girls not to wear makeup on a first day.
	Yeah, I've done that.
	So with that being said, if she enjoys wearing makeup and it makes her feel happy and it makes her feel pretty, shouldn't you just appreciate that and be happy that she's happy because you like her?
	I'm not, I wouldn't force a girl to do anything.
	I would ask.
	And she's ultimately free to, if she wants to wear makeup.
	Do you think it's a red flag if she said no, I want to wear makeup?
	No, not necessarily.
	I think most people are pretty amenable and agreeable and of the experience I of the experience.
	What's that music?
	Is that from outside, Chris?
	Yes, from outside.
	Oh, okay.
	I think that's the first time you're in the middle of the phone.
	Oh, Chris, can you silence the phone, Chris?
	Silence the phone, Chris.
	Malibu 1992.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I feel like even if you wear makeup, it doesn't mean you're fake.
	Like, yeah, I'm looking at that one comment right there.
	And like, you can also, like, you can ask girls.
	Like, if a guy was like, if a guy was like, don't wear makeup, I'd be like, I would never demand.
	Yeah, like, but if you're saying if you don't be like, or you could just make it a suggestion and be like, don't feel like you need to, like, completely dress up if you don't want to.
	I think more.
	Oh, I'll tell girls to wear sweatpants.
	Yeah, like something like that, but not being like, not being like, you should not wear makeup if you're comfortable with that.
	It should be more like, oh, if you don't want to wear makeup, like if you don't feel like getting all dressed up, like we can just do something chill.
	Yeah, I'll sometimes try to frame it that way.
	Yeah, I would definitely, like, I would totally be like, oh my god, like, that's hot.
	I would think that's hot if a guy said that to me, but if he's like, don't wear makeup.
	Yeah, it's like, who's you to say?
	There's this old, old Drake song.
	I think it's something she's the best.
	Or wait, you the best?
	Does anybody know what I'm talking about?
	I do know.
	No.
	Something like, you're the prettiest when your hair's tied.
	Fuck.
	Anyone in the chat?
	Drake.
	It's a Drake song, like one of his, I think it was his first single, Drake's first single.
	I think I know what you're saying.
	Like the more casual look, like, is the best in a lot of men's.
	Yeah, can someone type, put the lyrics in the chat, guys?
	Because it's not coming to me.
	If you can search for something like hair tied.
	Hair tied chilling.
	Chilling with no makeup.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Wait, what is it called?
	Quick side note, though.
	Whoever Tone Space is.
	No, dude, I totally think that it goes both ways.
	I don't think that a girl has the right to tell a guy to shave or not to shave or etc. either.
	Do whatever the hell you want.
	Do what makes you feel so good.
	Would you date a guy with a beard?
	Actually, you know what?
	A lot of women have issue with guys who have facial hair.
	Well, I mean, it gives you rug burn.
	But with that being said, I grew up with my mom telling me that you know you actually love someone when you love a thing on them that you've never liked before.
	Okay, is it best you ever had by Drake?
	Yeah, so it's, can anyone put the lyrics in chat?
	Baby, you ma everything.
	You are what I ever want.
	You can do the same thing.
	No, tied, chilling with no makeup on.
	That's when you're the prettiest, something like that.
	That's when you're the prettiest on you.
	That's me.
	I don't like I don't.
	But if we're going to dinner, they're not going to wear sweatpants.
	Yeah, shit, wear sweatpants to dinner.
	Wear sweatpants to the drinks.
	On the first date, like the first date.
	I would think that you're trying to hook up with me if I were sweatpants.
	Like, chill out in my house, watch Netflix.
	I'm kidding.
	I would be like, I'd be like, can we do something in public?
	Like, I would deadass say, can we do something in public?
	Because I'd want to hang out with this guy.
	I'd be like, let's see if he actually wants to hang out in public and not at his own house.
	Yeah, there's something really nice about actually being on a real date and not just like, yeah, come like hang over at my house.
	You're a little chill.
	Let's watch some Netflix.
	Yeah.
	Like, let's actually have a conversation and enjoy each other's company.
	You know?
	Absolutely.
	The thing you asked about beards, it depends if a guy takes care of their beard because if a guy takes care of their beard, it will not cause me to break out or cause me to have like beard burn on my face.
	And like, it's fine.
	It doesn't get in the way or anything.
	But if they have like a weird stubble and they don't wash their face, then your face will literally be like messed up for like insanity.
	Like two weeks.
	Like, and it's like, then you're just like, ew, the next day you're like, they don't wash their face and it just like got all over me.
	But like, if a man, if a guy has a beard, I have no issue with it as long as they like take care of it.
	Because also, if they don't take care of it, it just like looks odd.
	No, my friend made out with a guy that had like stubble on his chin and she had like a pus-filled like wart that was here that grew because he like was so disgusting and it was there for like two, three weeks.
	She wore a band-aid from just like stubble, like it was scrounging on her face, and he definitely didn't wash it and definitely didn't wash it.
	Same thing happened.
	Well, not the same thing at all.
	I just had like full razor burn.
	Yeah, like not razor burn um, like rug burn right here.
	But honestly, like I don't know.
	I think it's super interesting how like you know, how like you really won't like something about a guy, or like you'll have a specific type, whatever or whoever you're into, and then one day you start liking a person who has that feature like, let's say, you hate beards, you don't like beards, and then you find yourself really liking a guy with a beard.
	It flips you, you know.
	So I did it.
	That doesn't really.
	That's definitely happened to me.
	Yeah, me too.
	I like mustaches, but not beards.
	Oh, that just like miles, for I like, I like like that indie guy look with like the hat and like the mustache, and like hipster look.
	No, hipsters aren't a thing anymore.
	Yeah, I feel like.
	I feel like a lot of the time um, people are like really judgmental like of each other.
	I don't know, like I know that girls have definitely looked at me and been like oh, like I don't even know what they would say just like being rude, just like oh, like she definitely has like a lot of bodies, or like she talks to a lot of guys like or insulting my appearance.
	But I also feel like like men don't do that as often as like women do that to each other.
	Um, that's an interesting take and I so what you're, if I can sort of yeah, re give uh, recap what you're saying a little bit so you actually think that it's more often women who are, let's say, slut shaming other women than it is men slut shaming 100?
	I have Definitely, like at my old high school, I was bullied like a lot from like all these different girls because they were like, oh, she hangs out with like a lot of guys.
	Like, she's definitely a slut.
	Like, it's so gross.
	Like, she's so ugly.
	Like, she has no friends.
	And I had to deal with that for a long time.
	And the only time that I've been insulted more by men was like over the internet rather than in person.
	Because I feel like with women.
	The internet's super toxic.
	Exactly.
	Super toxic.
	I don't know because like the whole makeup thing, men are like, oh, yeah, like she has a cake face, you know what I mean?
	But girls can like be ruthless.
	They'll be like, oh, yeah, her highlighter is disgusting.
	Like, she needs to do her contour.
	They know.
	They know.
	They know where it hurts.
	Like, wow, she's wearing that much makeup and like still looks like that.
	Like, I don't know.
	That's just high school, honestly.
	That's like college too.
	College, I think a lot of girls are more genuine now.
	It's true.
	Well, it's also because I look a lot different than high school and college, and people treat you differently based on how pretty or how like you look.
	Like, because girls are just toxic.
	Like, they're really shallow.
	Like, I don't care who you say you are.
	Like, girls are shallow.
	Like, they will judge you.
	But, like, I guess here, people are more mature and know not to say it behind their back because it doesn't matter as much anymore.
	I don't think.
	Yeah.
	I definitely think girls in high school were more harsh.
	But I think in college, most of the time I'm walking down the street and I'm like, love your outfit, girl.
	Like, that literally happened when we were outside.
	Like, you were like, I love your outfit to this girl.
	And she was like, I love yours too.
	Like, and there's, I feel like there's a lot more girl love now than before.
	Unless girls hate each other if they're like hooking up with like the same person.
	Eskimo sisters.
	Eskimo sisters.
	They usually don't like each other if it's like happening at the same time.
	But if it's like later and it's like, oh my god, you got with him too?
	That's funny.
	Yeah.
	It also just like totally depends on who you are.
	And like, let's be honest, like, most of that shit stems from jealousy.
	Oh, one of my jobs.
	You know, and it's like, oh, she has perfect lashes.
	Like, you do right now, your fake lashes.
	And it's some girls 100% going to talk shit about you.
	Maybe, like, why is she wearing fake lashes?
	It's a Thursday.
	Yeah, it's a Thursday.
	It's a Thursday.
	And like, that's fine.
	You know, you do you.
	But it's just like, when it comes to anyone talking shit, it says way more about them than it does about you.
	It's like, dude, stop projecting.
	Yeah, no, it's just security.
	Men with other men, it's completely different.
	Like, men will be friends with any guy.
	Like, they don't care how he looks.
	Yeah.
	Like, there's no, there's no, like, appearance-based friendships with guys.
	Guys, they like each other based off their personality, their vibe.
	Girls, I see that they tend to like click together more when they're more similar looking with each other.
	100%.
	Yeah.
	I feel like that also kind of shows in like frats and sororities.
	Like the sorority rush is like this like cut out thing.
	Like it's like cookie cutter.
	Like everyone has to be like standing a certain way.
	Like when I was rushing, I was like, I need to be sitting up straight.
	But then for guys, they're like, what's your favorite beer?
	Yeah.
	They're like, chug this.
	And then for us, they're like, don't talk about like alcohol boys and stuff like that.
	And then boys.
	I don't know how to talk about boys.
	Isn't there like a sorority that literally just looks at your Instagram and see how many followers and how pretty you are?
	And then they decide just off that and no like interviews or anything.
	They don't know.
	Some definitely.
	Dude, that's what they did to us to get us here.
	Really?
	That was like.
	I knew I remember rushing yesterday.
	You guys, like, damn, look at their Instagram.
	Let's get these college ladies on here.
	Hey, what's up about that, Brian?
	What's up with what?
	How'd you pick your women?
	How did I pick my woman?
	Well, my friend recommended me to this.
	Yeah, so I was taught What's his name?
	Sush.
	Shout out, Sush.
	He was here earlier.
	He actually asked a question earlier.
	I wanted to shout out, but it was like, he said, ask them if they've ever paid.
	But he's the main DJ for my favorite fraternity.
	And he's like, no, ZBT.
	But he's like one of my really close friends.
	And you guys DM'd him and were like, Do you know anyone that would want to be on this show?
	Immediately he texted me.
	He's like, Sid, you need to go on this.
	Because a lot of my friends tell me that I would be really good on Too Hot to Handle because I love money, but then also have no self resistance, self-control.
	Wow.
	No, I think he made a really good recommendation.
	You've been a great, great panelist.
	I totally disagree.
	Wait, so what was Aline's question?
	What was my question?
	Did I say your name right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Well, you asked me a question.
	Oh, oh, okay.
	How did you pick us?
	Like, what was your criteria?
	Okay, so for you, I actually think I saw one of your TikToks.
	Okay.
	And then, because it was like tagged under UCSB or something, it was like one of the top swerving Sigma Chai men.
	No, you were in a Sailor Monster.
	You were in a Sailor Moon costume.
	Oh, that was my Halloween month.
	That was a while ago.
	You just saw it on your For You page.
	What's that?
	You just saw on your For You page?
	I saw the, I think, a while ago, and I think I was just like, oh, she goes to UCSB.
	Because I was at the time I was posting a ton of stuff on TikTok.
	Yeah.
	And I was looking at the top posts under all the tags for UCSB out of this stuff.
	Yeah, I'm like the, like the.
	You're like one of the top ones for your Sailor Moon one or whatever under the UCSP, or it was like, yeah, I think it was something like, should I go to class in this uh, in this costume?
	By the way guys, that was should, should one in the chat, should Aline come back?
	And she offered to wear her Sailor Moon costume.
	That's that.
	Wait right um, I'll wear yours, that one, you'll wear that one if I have mine anymore.
	Okay, got rid of it.
	Yeah, it's like I'm going back home and like I have strict parents, like I can't bring that.
	Um so, but would you be down to come back on?
	Yeah okay, one in one in the chat if you want a lean to come back on.
	She's had some some fun takes.
	This has been a dope panel, I'm not gonna lie like really probably the best panel so far.
	We're like hell, like we're all we have like mutuals, like we're um, we knew this is a frat chat so oh, and then you're friends with Aline, right?
	Yeah yeah, so she's the plus one.
	And then Kylie was through through MOO.
	If you guys don't know, MOO Esports was this esports cafe here in Ida Vista unfortunately closed a couple months ago.
	Yeah, the guy John yeah, he's nice, really nice guy.
	He actually gifted me something before he left.
	Yeah, really nice guy super uh, super hospitable and uh.
	But he he went to New York really like permanently to NYU for school for him.
	So um, let's do some super chats here Chris, because we got a few super chats we are.
	We have, oh and some twitch.
	We'll pull up twitch after two.
	Yeah, we have uh yeah, Let's uh, we have Will Smith here.
	Uh, he says that uh, I think there's one before that the J card one.
	Oh, okay.
	J card, thank you for the $2 super chat.
	Much appreciated, man.
	Hi, best Tinder pickup line.
	That could be fun.
	I'll let the girls go and then I'll give you my gangster line.
	What do you think like guys say to you?
	For guys to say to you.
	What would be like I've never had a dating app?
	You've never had a dating app?
	I haven't needed to.
	No, I'm kidding.
	I just don't.
	I don't know.
	It seems like so shallow to me.
	I don't really like having that shallow interaction, like purely, because most, a lot of people, they only look at like what you wrote if they're like, oh, yeah, like she's hot enough, you know?
	So I've never had a dating app, but I honestly, I like cheesy puns personally.
	Like that would, that would get you a first date for sure.
	Did you know that on Tinder, I matched with my chem TA and then she split in my DMs.
	Isn't that illegal?
	No, because it's not the professor.
	The TA.
	Oh, TAs are.
	The teacher's assistant.
	But if it was the professor, that might be a good idea.
	I don't even think that's illegal because we're over 18.
	When I say illegal, I just round up.
	Well, no, I think the teacher could get in, not criminally, but the teacher could get in trouble with the school for dating.
	My friend fucked her professor.
	I had such a hot professor, dude.
	And then I found out that he was married, and I was like, no way.
	Yeah.
	Name drop after.
	Yeah.
	Oh, just dinner after this?
	Oh, by the way.
	You're paying you ask.
	Ryan's paying.
	Ryan, you pay?
	Best pickup line?
	What?
	Best pickup line?
	I don't know.
	I have a really good Tinder bio.
	I actually just deleted Tinder recently.
	But I have a really good Tinder bio.
	So people come up with a lot of creative things.
	It's swipe right if you like tall girls in sleepovers.
	Because I mentioned I'm tall to fend off the short kings.
	I love short kings.
	I know discrimination, but it's just like I'm 5'10.
	And if we're 5'6, like besties.
	Like, I don't know.
	It just doesn't work.
	And everyone's like, oh, you're the same height in bed.
	You're not.
	You're not.
	But what do I think about high?
	I think high is a little basic.
	I'm probably not going to respond.
	Oh, wait.
	He wasn't even asking a question.
	No.
	He was saying.
	He was just like, insert best.
	No.
	I'm sorry.
	I think that's sarcastic.
	Yeah, yeah.
	J card, like, no, that's a terrible Tinder pickup line.
	Never say hi.
	I mean, what else are you supposed to say?
	Never say hi.
	I mean, the thing is, is that every, like, I'm sure you, of the girls here who have been on dating apps, like, a lot of guys just, the first thing they'll say is, hi, hey, how are you doing?
	Something very basic.
	And maybe if he's, maybe if he's good looking, then you'll let it slide.
	But, like, if you get 100 of those, you might be a bit more intrigued by the guy who like maybe says something a bit clever, you know.
	So, yeah, let's move on to the next super chat, Chris.
	Will Smith.
	$2.
	She belong to the streets.
	I don't know who you're referring to.
	She belongs to the streets.
	But Will Smith, where's your buddy Bill Gates, dude?
	So our first show, there was a Bill Gates going back and forth with Will Smith.
	Yeah, sorry about Jada, dude.
	You got cucked.
	Next super chat, Chris.
	Oh, we got some J card with some cheers on Twitch.
	Thank you, buddy.
	Appreciate it.
	69 bitties.
	Appreciate all the Twitch supporters.
	Thank you.
	And you can just, I guess, show all of them.
	Why not?
	Just show them real quick.
	Boom, little.
	Meow, wow.
	Meow.
	By the way, Chris, you don't have to hide them before you show the next one.
	I think you can just show.
	Yeah.
	Mr. Mojo Risen, $10 Super Chat.
	Thank you for the super chat, man.
	I appreciate it.
	Brian, these girls don't understand how much of a legend you are.
	You and Loff were my favorite channels back in the day.
	Well, thank you for the super chat.
	Much appreciated.
	Thank you for the kind words.
	Am I a legend?
	I don't know, dude.
	I'm like a D-list Z-list.
	I mean, so here's, and like, and maybe this is because I stayed in Santa Barbara.
	I never went to LA.
	And I think that's kind of what, you know, when I was building up the YouTube career, what kept my head on.
	Staying in Santa Barbara, I can't stand LA.
	No offense to anybody who's from LA or lives in LA.
	Growing up in a smaller town, just the traffic's bad, whatever.
	But I think being in a community where there's not a lot of other YouTubers, like people don't really give a fuck about if you have a YouTube channel or what, whatnot, like, I think it kept me fairly grounded.
	But yeah, as far as where I rank social media people, and maybe this is because I'm a bit older, I feel like now you ask young people, what do you want to be?
	It's like, I want to be a YouTuber.
	I want to do social media.
	You ask like younger kids.
	So I think younger people are looking up to like their favorite YouTuber, their favorite Twitch streamer.
	Like that's the new A-list actor to them.
	That's the new Justin B. Like that's that's how people view them.
	It's also because there's so much content to consume of them and they post a lot of personal things so you feel like you can be a part of their life and you're like, oh, I want to do that too.
	You feel more personal.
	So you look up to them even more.
	Yeah, but so just as far as the legend thing, so that, you know, there's like ventriloquist, stage ventriloquist, and then there's YouTuber down here.
	So that's kind of my take on it.
	I fuck my favorite Twitch streamer.
	Who?
	Oh, hell yeah.
	I'll name John afterward.
	No.
	Say it.
	No.
	No, that's the thing.
	Oh, for sure.
	No, because I like looked up to him as like a content creator.
	And I was like, wow, like I would really like to do it.
	I'm not going to say it online, but you know, I looked up to him.
	Asmund Gold.
	And then he looked down on me.
	Was it you know Asmund Gold?
	No.
	Was it it was it wasn't Asmund Gold?
	No.
	Trying to think of the other Twitch streamers I know.
	Oh my god.
	I'll just tell you after.
	Okay, fine.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I have a 3.5.
	No exposure.
	I have a 4.5 in high school.
	I had a 4.4 in high school.
	We hit all the super chat scripts.
	I'm an art major.
	Oh, Chris, can we just pull up all the super chats?
	Yeah, we're going to Twitch.
	I'm going to give my two supervisors.
	Chris, can you pull up Twitch?
	Coming, coming.
	Yep.
	It's really cool, though.
	Like, everybody, especially us, like in this day and age, we remember our favorite YouTubers growing up.
	You know, and like you feel like you know them.
	You are excited to get home from school so like you can watch the new video that day.
	This guy does Minecraft.
	And so like, I don't know, people rely on you.
	My favorite YouTuber is Aesop Science.
	Hey, I like tambourine all the way.
	Oh, mine was smosh.
	Yeah.
	This was good.
	I don't know.
	This guy seems noob, motherfucker.
	Shamie.
	ABG gets it.
	Do you consider yourself an ABG?
	People call me that, but I've never called myself that.
	For people, do you want to explain to the audience if they don't know what that means?
	I believe it stands for Asian Baby Girl.
	I've heard Asian Boba Girl.
	Is that also a thing?
	It's baby girl.
	Fun fact, I don't like Boba.
	I don't like Boba.
	Yeah, it's like mid at best.
	And like, the stereotype for ABGs are they're dating a Kevin Nguyen, which is like, it's like a, it's like a fuckboy, like Asian.
	Like the baby with the tattoo.
	The default skin.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And then they're like, sorry, guys.
	They're like addicted to nicotine.
	They drive like Alexis.
	They go to raves.
	They have like tattoos.
	I don't do any of that.
	I do drive Alexis though.
	You drive a lot of people.
	I think it means you're like pretty.
	Like you dress nice and like, I don't know.
	I feel like you have like a cute sense of smell.
	I think it's more of like Americanized Asian girl.
	That's my take.
	Are you Vietnamese?
	Yeah, how'd you know?
	I know.
	Someone just asked advice.
	Someone's asking for advice.
	Let's help you.
	For dating advice.
	Let's get this.
	How do you pronounce that very common last name?
	Is it Nguyen?
	Nguyen.
	Nguyen.
	Okay.
	What can a short guy that's about 5'6 ⁇ , 130 pounds do to attract more women on dating apps?
	Be funny.
	Yeah.
	That's a former first time.
	Have a good bio.
	Like, you can't not have a bio.
	I think.
	Be smart.
	Other than dating apps.
	The sackings rock.
	Thank you for the $5, man.
	So what can a short guy that's 5'6?
	I mean, date shorter women, but you know what's actually interesting is that...
	Work out.
	You know what's actually interesting is that it seems to me that average height women seem to care a little bit less than, not to say that average height or taller women don't care about height, but like women who are like five feet and under 4'11.
	Don't take my tall men.
	They still, they still.
	What's that?
	Don't take my tall men.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Everyone wants a tall guy.
	It's almost like a, they, what's, what's the word?
	They overcompensating.
	Not all women, but I have noticed a bit of a pattern where like 4'11, 5' foot girl, who you're six feet tall, or sorry, 6 inches taller than her, but she still wants, she wants a 6-foot guy.
	But also.
	Not all women, though.
	I mean, yeah, I mean, no, I totally agree with you.
	How tall are you, by the way?
	Me?
	Yeah.
	I'm 5'3.
	Max.
	On a good day.
	On a good day.
	Can he slide into the DMs?
	Yeah.
	5'6, King?
	5'6'King?
	I am actually currently with a different short king.
	Oh, you have a boyfriend.
	You have a boyfriend?
	I thought you were saying that.
	I have a boyfriend.
	Okay, I'm not.
	They're just talking.
	I'm literally just talking to him.
	But I'm a loyal girl.
	Wait, but you're loyal.
	So it's a bit more than just casual.
	I'm loyal during the talking stage.
	Have you established anything?
	No.
	I mean, she just hug other guys.
	Yeah, I just have to.
	Hey, props.
	That's good, though.
	But with that being said, sorry.
	I don't know where that came from.
	Wait, but with that being said, though, like, one thing that really is in your favor is that, like, short kings?
	Like, there's a reason why short king is like such a phrase right now.
	You guys are trendy.
	You know?
	You really are.
	And I know a lot of actually, like, really tall girls that like a small guy, you know?
	Like, flip it.
	Pocket size.
	Exactly.
	Fun sized.
	Let's go.
	I mean, this is a very broad question, like, what to do to attract more women on dating apps and your circumstances are just that you're short and you're 130 pounds.
	And then, I mean, where can you meet women other than dating apps?
	I mean, you can school, certainly, but if you've aged out of that, it can definitely become harder to meet people more organically.
	School?
	I mean, honestly, university is like.
	It's hard meeting people at school.
	Wait until you're in a fucking career.
	Like a job.
	No, I mean, I do understand.
	Like, people don't come up to you at school, like, in class.
	Well, I parties, so many.
	You know what?
	I think dating apps have actually diminished the need for men to approach women in person.
	So I think it has.
	I don't like that.
	You don't like when guys come up to you.
	I like when guys come up to me.
	I don't, like, it's so easy for them to hide behind a screen.
	I don't.
	I don't like that it's now guys are less likely to, but I feel like it can be a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation because now it's like the guy, the guy get guys don't want to get rejected, and then there's like, oh, then see, if you got rejected in the past, like, that's it, but then now it we're so much more connected with social media.
	So, oh, she's a Kardashian.
	No, which one are you laughing at?
	I was like, right up there.
	Yeah, you got to keep winking at the camera, I think.
	Give the camera a little winks.
	But so, I mean, you're short.
	You got you kind of got to work with you go in being like, oh, I'm short.
	Like, what can I do to get more girls?
	Like, I understand that, like, both of us are 5'10.
	I personally don't care how tall a guy is.
	It's just the mindset of being like, oh, women don't want me because I'm short.
	And like, that's it.
	So you would date a guy who's shorter than you.
	I did.
	You have?
	Yes.
	How short was he?
	He was 5'7.
	That's three inches shorter than you.
	And how long are you guys dating for?
	Nine months.
	Okay.
	Like, it was a very large chunk of my life.
	And like, that was always something he was super insecure about.
	And I was like, why are you insecure?
	Like, well, you're based.
	I feel like you're an outlier in that regard.
	You're a bad bitch.
	You are.
	You are.
	But I just hate that mindset of not against the Sackings Rock personally of being like, I just don't like guys that are like, oh, like, I'm so short.
	Feel sorry for me.
	You know what I mean?
	I've had guys come up to me, not come up to me, but like on Twitch being like, oh, I could never pull you.
	Like, I'm 5'4 or something.
	And I'm like, well, you automatically just quote unquote lost because you're like, oh, you're like, I'm a beta male.
	Like, I'm less than you for being this tall.
	I'm like, I don't care.
	Like, if you come up with the same amount of confidence as someone that's six feet, like, it's not going to make a difference.
	Yeah, not without it.
	It's like the humiliation.
	It's the humiliation.
	It's the if I'm not.
	You know, I do want to add, I do think, though, like, even if a guy's really confident, there are just certain, I think, baseline criteria that someone will want in terms of being needing to be physically attracted to somebody.
	So I do think, like, even if you're the most fucking fantastic guy in the world, if you're shorter than a girl, like, some girls, it is just, it is theirs.
	It is what it is.
	It is what it is.
	I don't say that about everyone, you know?
	Like, guys who only like blondes, you know, and stuff like, or only like brunettes or whatever.
	But, like, confidence is sexy.
	We all know this.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, not for everyone.
	I have a friend, Nate.
	Oh, shit.
	I named Dobby.
	Sorry, that was a fake name.
	That was a fake name.
	It was a fake name.
	His name is Nate.
	Bartholomew.
	Colin Bartholomew.
	Barry.
	Barry.
	He's like, he's a, he's a, he's a fun-sized king.
	Anyways.
	Fun-size?
	He's super confident.
	Like, he's talkative.
	He's super confident.
	And it makes him more attractive, right?
	And I've brought my friends over to hang out at his house because he has like a nice house and like setup and like drinks and whatever.
	And like, I was like, hey, Barry, I brought you a bunch of girls.
	You should try and get with some of them.
	I was like, I didn't think he would get with any of them.
	First night.
	This man's confidence.
	He got.
	Okay, I was like, do you like any of them?
	He was like, yeah, that one over there.
	And then end of the night, he went home with her.
	First night.
	How tall is he?
	How tall is he?
	He's about five, five.
	I think I know who you're talking about.
	Barry.
	Oh, no.
	I mean, he's very talkative.
	I mean, there is.
	He's confident.
	If he can do it, you can do it.
	But the thing is, he does, he does work out.
	So that might be like a bonus for him.
	Yeah.
	I mean, there's certainly something to be said for charisma and confidence.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Also, if you're short, like, don't be afraid to.
	Well, I see a lot of people in the chats being like, oh, these girls don't walk up to people.
	I have literally shot my shot with so many guys.
	And don't get me wrong, like, I'll land it.
	Like, I'll land a lot of them and I'll get rejected from a lot too.
	And like, the more you get rejected, no.
	The more you get rejected, the more you're used to it.
	And you're like, oh, whatever, they're lost.
	And then you just like walk away.
	But like, you have to be comfortable with going into the situation knowing you're going to get rejected.
	Are you talking about like at a frat party you're doing this?
	Like any party, anytime.
	I've made the first move on like, I would say 75% of everything that I've done.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I prefer to do that.
	I just, I prefer to cat.
	Hey, I don't even know, man.
	I make the first move.
	I just think it's so much easier.
	Like, why would I wait if I know who I want?
	Like, I don't want to wait and be like, oh, like, when is he going to ask me on a date?
	Like, and buy dinner and like pay the bill.
	Like, oh my God, he's such a man.
	Like, no, I'm going to walk up, be like, hey, like, my name's Kylie.
	Nice to meet you.
	Yeah, agreed.
	Well, you're based.
	100%.
	You're based.
	So, I mean.
	I got big dick energy.
	Respect.
	My, like, my mindset is if he won't talk to me, he doesn't want me enough.
	So I'm not going to pursue that.
	If he doesn't, like, there's nothing wrong with that, by the way.
	If he doesn't, if, if he doesn't come up to me, like, he doesn't want me enough.
	That's just my mentality.
	For me, if I see a hot guy and they're really hot, I literally will walk up to them and be like, hey, what's your name?
	Like, you're.
	I sometimes will literally straight up tell him, like, you're hot.
	I've done that.
	I'm curious.
	So how frequently does that work for you?
	Like, are you pretty successful?
	I'm pretty successful because if you go into it confident and like off the bat and like give them a compliment, like no one's going to be like, oh, fuck off.
	You just called me hot.
	Like, no.
	They're going to be like flattered and want to keep talking to you.
	You know?
	Because men like that.
	I feel like they like it more than having to approach women all the time.
	Like, it's just easier.
	I prefer it.
	I like making those men like feel good because then it gives me a bump.
	You know what I mean?
	It's like, oh, well, it's better for both of us because now I feel like confident in myself to walk up and start a conversation.
	I'm not going to sit patiently in a corner with my legs crossed trying to look pretty for some guy.
	I'm going to be like, hey, do you want to take a shot with me?
	Hypothetically because we're underage.
	A shot of water.
	Allegedly.
	Allegedly.
	Yeah.
	I feel like guys, like in general, think that we care so much more about looks than we actually do.
	You know what I mean?
	Like we're such personal.
	At least from like who I know, you guys.
	Not just you guys.
	It's like a personality.
	And honestly, there's a reason why all these comedians have like drop dead gorgeous wives.
	You know?
	You know me.
	I got with the ugliest guy doing charity work.
	She knows she was around that time.
	And he played me.
	Ain't no way.
	Was this the one-month guy?
	No.
	We didn't get to dating, but actually, he asked to be exclusive, but he never asked to like date.
	I don't know what that means.
	I mean, wouldn't that kind of be a little bit more difficult?
	And then, I don't want to get to the specifics, but I got played.
	He's like a solid two.
	You got played.
	So did you guys hook up?
	Yeah.
	Had sex?
	Yeah.
	And you got played?
	I got played.
	How so?
	So hard.
	Super hard.
	How did you get played?
	I was played.
	I got kicked out of his house.
	He didn't want me there.
	Wait, so the first time you hooked up, he kicked you out?
	No.
	No.
	Like, we were like a thing for like a solid, like a few weeks, right?
	And then, like, one day he's just like, I changed my mind.
	You're not attractive to me anymore.
	This man is a two.
	You can attest for that.
	Right here.
	Yeah.
	I'm not going to rate him, but you know how I feel about him.
	But yeah, I'm just saying.
	The message of this is looks don't matter.
	Well, okay, looks good.
	Hey, Chris, I sent you a text if you can look at it.
	If you like first, I mean, my initial attraction is where I'm really.
	Someone's personality is a game changer for me, but I can't just look at them and be like, I bet they're so funny.
	So like the physical attractiveness is the first thing, but you can be mid and then become hot from your personality.
	It's true.
	Like personality matters a lot more to me because I'm not going to date someone who's hot and boring.
	Like that sucks.
	But if I'm going to be walking up to someone, obviously I have to find them super hot, you know?
	I don't have to find someone super hot to walk up to them.
	Like I just start conversations with people.
	Well like if I'm like with a goal.
	Right.
	If you're like with a goal.
	You're like, I want to get someone's number today.
	Yeah, I mean, but also like, you know, to each their own.
	Everybody has different like more attractive.
	You know.
	Word?
	Word.
	Wait, let's talk a bit about OnlyFans.
	Oh, great.
	We didn't really go too far into that.
	I'm ready.
	So wait, remind me, how long have you been doing OnlyFans?
	Almost a year.
	Like eight months, I would say.
	Okay.
	And you've said, and so far you said you've made like 25K.
	What was your highest earning month?
	It was the first month I had it, and I made, I would say, like $6,000.
	And that was your first month?
	Yeah.
	And it was like part of a month.
	Like, it was, I started halfway through the month and I got $6,000.
	It's pretty good.
	Yeah.
	No, for me at the time, because I was still living in the dorms and I realized that Snag was not going to fund my illicit college activities.
	And I was like, wow, I need to do something.
	And so I posted on my story, like the gaming Instagram, oh, like, what should I do to make extra cash?
	And pretty much it was an overwhelming, you should make it OnlyFans.
	And I was like, am I really going to be that person?
	Turns out, yes.
	I was going to be that person.
	And now I have a super nice PC and I can like buy my boyfriend dinner.
	I can pay for the bill.
	Just to go back to the super chat, actually, because I just realized I didn't really give my total answer.
	I mean, get your finances right, work out, get fit.
	And if you don't want to meet them on dating apps, I mean, there's clubs and social things that you can join.
	Join a frat.
	I feel like all frat guys get play.
	Yeah, if you're in a school, you can join a fraternity if you want.
	Sigma New, from what I hear.
	Yeah, Snoo.
	Sigma New.
	At UCSB apparently sounds like the best one.
	I didn't mean to start this slander.
	I didn't mean to.
	Yeah, there, you're going to get a mouthful from Snik.
	Snoo isn't a thing here anymore.
	Oh, they're gone?
	Yeah, because they...
	No, they're almost...
	They're...
	They're so close.
	This podcast is what's sending emotion shit.
	Fuck Snu.
	I don't want to expose them too hard.
	Sigma New.
	I will be.
	I'll see what happens.
	Sigma New.
	I will be Sigma New.
	I will be a character witness for you at your cancellation or whatever's happening.
	I will keep you guys around.
	Pike.
	Pike.
	We don't have a Pike.
	I'm dating myself quite substantially, but Pike was the.
	They got canceled a long time ago.
	But here?
	We had Pike here?
	There was a Pike, yeah.
	SGS.
	By the way, I was.
	I was not.
	I was not in the fraternity when I was in college, but I mean, you kind of associate when you're in Isla Vista.
	Yeah, yeah.
	By making OnlyFans, you're inspiring me.
	No.
	Why?
	Oh, you're recommending she doesn't?
	I'm recommending you don't because the only reason that mine had any sort of traction was because of the gaming thing.
	You already had a following on Twitch.
	Because I already had the following on Twitch, and it was just like the, what is it called?
	Like the link tree.
	Like they would just, like, oh, going from my TikTok to like, oh, she has Instagram, Twitter, and then they'd be like, oh, she has OnlyFans.
	And so like, then it would just turn into that.
	But making one like from scratch, you have to like build it from zero.
	You know, like, who is going to be that first which guy, some random man on the internet scrolling through?
	Exactly.
	Like, who would it be?
	I need to know some background.
	And that's the thing.
	It's like, it's weird.
	It's really like a, it's kind of an L for me because it's something that I have to bring up, obviously, if I'm trying to be in a relationship with somebody and be like, oh, yeah, like I have, and OnlyFans, by the way.
	And like, if my current boyfriend was like, hey, like, I want you to stop, like, I'm not feeling comfortable.
	I'd be like, okay, like, that's fine.
	But he sees me as more than just, oh, like, she's gross.
	Like, she doesn't have self-respect for selling her body on the internet.
	Like, it's just, it's, that's not what it is.
	It's just making it so I don't have to get a shitty minimum wage job.
	Like, this is my shitty minimum wage job.
	How are you, as far as monetization?
	How's Twitch for you?
	Well, since I haven't been able to stream recently, monetization, it's fine.
	Like, the subs, I would get, like, a couple hundred a month, but nowhere near like what I'm doing.
	How many followers do you have on Twitch?
	I'm not sure.
	I haven't looked in a while.
	A couple thousand.
	Like, because I only streamed for a couple months.
	I was making TikToks and I didn't have anything.
	And then I was like, oh, I'll just like try streaming out for a bit.
	And it was super fun.
	And I loved it because I like got to play Apex, which I fucking love.
	And then I also got to talk to people.
	Are you good?
	Yeah.
	I don't know if you know what that means.
	I am Masters rank, which is like, because I go Apex Per Ed, and that's the top 750.
	And then it's Masters.
	I've seen it on Twitch, but I've never played.
	But so you're good.
	Yes, I am good.
	People literally on OnlyFans, that's how it started.
	Would pay to get carried.
	To get carried.
	They would be like, oh my God, mommy, take me to carry me to a win.
	And I had to fight through the cringe of being like, oh, yeah, like, you can call me mommy while we play.
	Do you ever do like Twitch roleplay?
	I didn't because I was streaming in a public place for the majority of that.
	I have a Loba cosplay.
	Like, I own one.
	Like, a really nice one.
	Did you do cosplay?
	Literally just Apex.
	Oh, like the characters?
	Yeah.
	Characters from the game, yeah.
	Yeah.
	ASMR.
	I did send a couple custom ASMR videos because I had like my nice streaming mic.
	And I would be like, like, they would tell me what to say.
	Like, they're not really creepy, though.
	They're not like, oh, like, tell me what you would do to me, which is what I was expecting.
	It's like, tell me about yourself.
	Like, what do you like?
	Like, what are your hobbies?
	And I was like, well, I can talk about myself as long as I want to.
	Good times.
	It's pretty sick.
	I think, by the way, Reese, Reese, if you're still in the chat, I missed your comments with the lyric.
	I don't think you'll be able to find it, Chris.
	Reese, if you're still in the chat, can you send the Drake lyrics?
	Because I'm still on that.
	I'm still curious.
	So you were talking about OnlyFans and you feel like you're sort of mixed about it because you do feel like there could be some issues when entering into a new relationship with a new guy.
	And so while I go around the panel, and I guess we could talk a bit about that, do you think, hmm, I'm not sure how I want to frame this question exactly.
	Would you object to a guy taking quarrel with, or let's say, would you object to a guy who didn't want to date a girl because she had an OnlyFans, she was a stripper, or she did porn, either currently or in the past?
	Would you object to that?
	No, that's the thing is I would completely understand.
	It just depends how they wait for it.
	Wait, actually, you know what?
	Why don't we start with the lady and we'll come to you at the end?
	Okay.
	I honestly like a guy who's like that because that means that our morals are in line because I personally would never make an OnlyFans.
	I would never do sex work.
	There's nothing against people who do.
	I totally support them and they're like a crucial part in our community.
	But it's just like me personally, I would never do that line of work because honestly, I don't know.
	I feel like that's like exploiting my body or whatever.
	But that's just, like, in line with my morals.
	And honestly, I like to – I'd prefer, like, guys who, like, worked using their, like, intelligence or their, like, strengths.
	Like, things that they, like, took a lot of time and effort and displayed, like, hard work.
	I feel like that's more attractive to me because that's what I would do in my life.
	Answer.
	Slay.
	Oh, wait, Chris.
	Let me read that real quick.
	So yeah, the Drake thing is sweatpants, hair tied, chilling with no makeup on.
	That's when you're the prettiest.
	I hope that you don't take it wrong.
	Okay.
	That was good.
	Honestly, personally, I mean, it's OK to disagree, by the way, if you if you there's I thought it was an opinion thing.
	Yeah, it's an opinion thing.
	Yeah, just an opinion thing.
	but i think that like personally like with your like with you like okay So, for example, like, most girls or most people who have an OnlyFans and they're in a relationship, their partners are fully supportive, you know?
	And if you don't like that, I think, damn, this is actually kind of a hard question.
	Personally, I get it.
	I wouldn't want my partner to have an OnlyFans.
	But then again, there's an extent to that because, like, OnlyFans doesn't have to be, like, hardcore, all or nothing, you know?
	Like, what?
	If he wants to post some ad pics and get money for it, I don't care.
	Go for it.
	You know?
	There's certainly degrees.
	I mean, there's like tasteful lingerie shoots versus like double penetration.
	Like, you know, like, so there's definitely degrees to sex work for sure.
	Yeah, I totally agree.
	Yeah, for me, I honestly wouldn't be opposed to like an OnlyFans, but I would definitely like be wearing clothes.
	I wouldn't do something like fully naked.
	So just to clarify, so the question is, would you object to a man?
	No, to a guy having issue or not being willing to date a girl who did OnlyFans or was a stripper or did porn, either currently or even in the past.
	I would understand the porn and stripper part, but like OnlyFans, OnlyFans is very new too, I think.
	But I just think that kind of shows they're insecure if they don't accept them for doing that because it's like we're not doing that because we want like a girl, not that I've done that, but someone's not doing that because they want to.
	They're doing it for money.
	Like they're not like doing it because this is fun.
	Like they're just doing it because they know they can make money off that.
	And I think it just shows a guy's kind of insecure.
	But I would understand like porn and stuff, but not necessarily OnlyFans.
	Unless it's like, but why would the guy be insecure?
	Because they like, they're like, people are looking at my girl.
	Like they think that like it takes away from like her value, which I don't know.
	I think that comes out of like their insecurities of like sharing.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Does that make sense?
	No.
	I'm not sure if it makes them insecure.
	Or like not insecure in their relationship, like saying they don't trust them.
	And it doesn't, like, having an OnlyFans doesn't say anything about that person.
	But like if someone, if a guy can't handle it, they can't handle it.
	But what about, what about if the girl was doing porn?
	So in other words, she was sleeping with, she was having sex with other people on camera.
	I can understand.
	Either while with him or let's say even in the past.
	Yeah, I can understand.
	Like it's, I feel like it's, you know, what you're getting into when you're getting into it.
	If, or like, I don't, I don't know, this is a hard question.
	I would understand why a guy wouldn't want to be with a porn star.
	They're like, so many girls have seen my girl like doing what I'm doing with her.
	Like it just, it feels less special.
	Well, she's also fucking another person too.
	Yeah.
	I mean, there's that, right?
	Yeah.
	But yeah, there is that.
	Okay.
	Kylie.
	I think that I agree with her in the fact that I could understand like where the guy's coming from if they're like, oh, like I don't want my girl to be on the internet like that.
	Like I had to have, I and I do have a very open discussion with my current boyfriend about it because I want him to know everything.
	You know what I mean?
	Like I don't want to hide it.
	I don't want to do anything behind his back or like anything shady.
	Like I'm not sleeping with other people.
	I'm not sending nudes to other people.
	Like that's something that he made very clear.
	He was like, hey, like I'm completely fine with you doing this, but can you not do this one like specific thing because it makes me uncomfortable.
	And I was like, of course, like I'll stop 100%.
	But he doesn't care and he's very supportive because like I don't know.
	I could not date a porn star personally because I'm way too jealous of a person to see like it just manifested there like him having sex with another woman and it works the other way around as well.
	I wouldn't want him to be like sending dick pics online.
	You know what I mean?
	Like to have other girls drooling over it.
	But we like look at the people online on my OnlyFans and we laugh together because of all the ridiculous shit that these like old men are saying.
	Like the people that buy the OnlyFans are a very specific type of person.
	They're like, I don't talk to women in real life, so I'm going to pay to talk to one online.
	And like they're paying for my attention pretty much, which I think is a little bit of an ego boost.
	Because I'm like, I and my boyfriend understands that, and he's like, well, I don't care what they say to you, because at the end of the day, like, I'm the one that gets to love you.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, I'm the one that gets to spend time with you.
	So, I think that's what I'm saying.
	Were you guys dating before you started your OnlyFans?
	Oh, no, no, no.
	So, you had started your OnlyFans and then you started dating him?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	But he knew.
	Yeah.
	I was very open about it.
	Yeah.
	And it sounds like you guys now make videos together.
	Not yet.
	$4.99, boys.
	$4.99, right?
	How much?
	What's yours?
	It's not that cheap, bro.
	What is it?
	For like a video.
	Don't you have to sub to the No mine's free Like, to get to the main page, but like anything that actually shows like substance, like bikini pictures, fine.
	I don't care.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, that's what's on the main page.
	But like anything more than that, lingerie little feet pick every once in a while, you know, you gotta pay for that.
	But I would say like not full nude, but still like intercourse, kind of, that's like $30, $40.
	Got it.
	So, but people like literally will send nudes for like five bucks on OnlyFans.
	And I feel like people in the chat are like, oh, yeah, she's for the streets.
	Like, she has OnlyFans.
	I'm very particular.
	Like, if you don't want to buy my shit, then like go to some girl on the internet who sells it for two bucks.
	Because if you don't want to help me pay for my rent, then I don't care about your opinion.
	Yeah, so I'll just say this.
	You know, I don't think it's insecure for having personal boundaries or preferences.
	No, of course not.
	And yeah.
	So good times.
	Okay, so Aline, did you have something?
	I was just going to say, like, I value like intelligence and like hard work as like a way of like getting money.
	And that's just like a personal thing.
	But also like having like that line of work, like no, no judge to it, but personally, I don't like that kind of reputation on myself.
	And also if I ever have like a family, like kids are going to see it.
	Like your family, your mom and dad's going to know that.
	Only fans.
	Yeah, if I ever a kid, they're going to be like, oh, your mom has an OnlyFans.
	Like my parents.
	Look at Timmy's tits.
	Timmy's mom's tits.
	My parents supports me.
	My parents support me.
	Second of all, if when you're older, obviously you might not make as much money.
	Like wherever, like you're not going to, you're like reliant on this like form of money that you're not spending time in other areas in like developing like like learning things like taking classes getting jobs experience so that you can't get a job later when you can't no longer earn that type of money why can't you do both like do you what do you think I'm saying like,
	oh, like there are some, there are some instances where people are, like, they're getting this cash flow.
	They're getting this cash flow of like a lot of money and they're relying on this money to sustain them.
	I'm not saying you can't, but it's sort of like it's easy money.
	Like, you're not getting experience from other jobs.
	You're just getting money from this particular income source.
	And you're not getting like job experiences.
	Like, I worked at like Shake Shack.
	Like, it was terrible.
	Like, the managers hated me.
	I like worked like a lot, but like it's still experience in my book, and I can put that in other resumes and stuff.
	I worked at a hospital.
	Like, there's like stuff that I can write down my resume.
	Like, you can't write that in your resume.
	I still have other jobs.
	Like, I have sources of income.
	It's just this is something for a little extra cash on the side.
	I'm just saying, like, some people can be reliant on the fucking agreement.
	I fully agree with you, but also, like, in the sense where, like, we were saying earlier, most when OnlyFans first came out, there were very few people on it.
	So, yeah, if you had an OnlyFans, whether you had a platform or not, you'd probably make a good amount of money.
	Whereas now, it's extremely popular, and every other person has one, but the people who actually make money off of it and who are actually successful with it are people that have built platforms themselves in the first place.
	So, they already have fans.
	So, with that being said, as of right now, you can't really have a successful OnlyFans without putting your hard work and having different businesses and having jobs and educating yourself.
	I think that can be true for some instances, but also for me, I have a TikTok, and I've had it for a while now, but I say that I do TikTok like whatever, because I literally just post whatever I want on it.
	I don't put any effort, or I just do it for fun.
	But the thing is, I've had it since I was like a minor, and the moment I turned 18, I had like thousands of comments saying, OnlyFans debut, OnlyFans debut, like when's the OnlyFans coming out?
	Like, I could easily make an OnlyFans, but I put no effort into my TikTok whatsoever.
	It's the thing that I have.
	Oh no, I saw that Sailor Moon one.
	I have, yeah, there was no effort.
	That was a draft.
	My friend was in the back.
	She was like in a hoodie.
	Like, I just, I made that, like, coming home, like, tired as fuck.
	And then I just put some shitty caption on it.
	And I got like 2 million views or whatever.
	But I put no effort into it.
	But that's just my case scenario.
	Like, I can have a platform, put no effort into it, and still find a way to, like, if I could have an OnlyFans, but I'm not going to.
	That's just the end of the story.
	Oh, are you just talking like complete personal opinion?
	Like, if you would yourself?
	I'm just saying, like, there are, like, not every instance is going to be like that.
	Okay, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And also, like, every different types of OnlyFans, and really anything you find online, everyone has their own business and their own content that's unique in itself.
	Of course.
	A lot of people can put a lot of hard work into building their platforms.
	I'm not discrediting that.
	I'm just saying, like, my personal experience, I didn't have to put a lot of work.
	And there was a lot of pressure for me to make an OnlyFans, but I never did.
	It's just, I think I kept my morals strong.
	I just stick to whatever I believe in.
	But like, yeah.
	There's no shame to it, though.
	I'm really, I'm friends with a lot of girls who do like OnlyFans, a lot of like strippers.
	Like, I'm friends with a lot of those.
	No shame.
	I just my personal preference.
	Yeah, no.
	And it's really not for everyone.
	Like, in the beginning, I found it really difficult to put that the moral aspect aside because like I remember like two years ago with the like five seven guy that I was dating, he was like famous on TikTok and he was like super insecure.
	He was like, you better not make an OnlyFans.
	Like I'm going to break up with you if you have that.
	And I was like, I would never.
	Like that's nasty, like selling your body on the internet.
	And then I literally was desperate enough money-wise to be like, hey, I don't know if I can like survive in college without doing this.
	And so in the beginning, I was like forced to do it.
	And it was really hard because the people on there, they say like such grotesque things.
	Like it's not insulting.
	They're just like, oh, the things I would do to you.
	I'm toning it down.
	Like, really?
	It's just, I get sent like 10 dick pics on the daily that I don't want to see because they're like, oh, yeah, like you like that baby girl.
	And I'm like, eh, no.
	Yeah.
	You know, but you have to like keep up the act.
	Like, I hate, I hate the fact that I have OnlyFans sometimes, you know, even though it makes me money.
	It's just, is it really worth it in the long run?
	And there's pros and cons.
	Yeah.
	Oh, for sure.
	Like, it's just, it weighs on me sometimes.
	Let's talk about who is stuff.
	I was going to say, do you find it like empowering at all to have an OnlyFans?
	Sometimes, in certain aspects, yes, but it's just, I feel like there are a lot more cons.
	And like the main pro, basically the only pro is just money.
	But sometimes it's like, oh, I've made a decent amount of money.
	Like I've, I've kind of manipulated these men to being like, oh, yeah, like, I'm going to pay this girl for pictures of her feet.
	And I'm like, well, you could just, I wear sandals all the time.
	People see that shit for free.
	But like, if you want to, if you want to pay my rent, go ahead.
	You know, it's just, it's not really empowering so much as it's like necessary sometimes.
	You heard it here first, folks.
	Kylie pays her rent with feet pics.
	I'm not shy about that.
	She's killing it.
	I'm killing it on her.
	Just ask her for feet pics and she will oblige, right?
	Of course.
	Literally, if you little package bundle, 30 bucks, got you.
	And the answer to that question is no, cats are not as emotionally attached as dogs.
	Obviously not.
	I have two golden retrievers.
	They are my children.
	Cats just not really a cat person.
	Who paid $4 to say ask Sydney about Dylan?
	And how do you know Dylan?
	Uh-oh.
	Dylan is my brother.
	He is currently getting his PhD for computer architecture at UCLA, the smartest person I've ever met.
	And he graduated from UCSB.
	I love him.
	Yeah, that's Dylan.
	Who's Nina Hepburn?
	Let's, well, we'll read the super chats later, I guess.
	Oh my god, is that?
	No, no, I don't know who that is.
	What are we doing?
	Okay.
	So we'll probably wrap up here in a little bit, but what time is it?
	It is 10 o'clock.
	Almost 3 o'clock.
	Oh my God.
	So we'll wrap up here in maybe 10-15 minutes.
	What I want to do is give you guys the opportunity, if you have a question for me or the panel, feel free to just ask a question if you have one.
	Why don't we start with Kylie?
	We can come back to you if you want to.
	Yeah, I don't really have anything.
	I'll think of something.
	I think we've covered our topics.
	Okay.
	And we covered the ball fondly.
	I'm kidding.
	I don't know.
	No, I don't know if any right now.
	Okay.
	Aline?
	Or?
	Oh.
	Any questions for the panel?
	Yeah, no, I mean, I guess like the topic of this whole podcast video in the first place was who pays on the first date.
	Yeah, we can talk a little bit more about that.
	Whoever asks, I guess.
	I think that's like a clear consensus.
	That's my brother.
	Oh, my God.
	Why is he watching this?
	Leave Dylan.
	Don't worry about this.
	Dylan, go off.
	It's past your bedtime.
	Literally my brother.
	Hi, Dylan.
	Dylan Kupch is just.
	Okay.
	Aline, do you want to pose a question?
	It could be related to the topic at hand or just something totally unrelated to the panel or to myself or?
	Let me think.
	Thoughts on guys who like girls with childish features.
	Like personality wildishness, like physically.
	Like when they act like the baby.
	I want them to be short with a high-pitched voice, no body hair, and just like a submissive little girl.
	I mean, I think that is a kink for some people.
	Yeah, I feel like men's standard for women is generally like that.
	Like I, like, I saw that.
	Do you mean just generally feminine?
	Generally, like, like, the beauty standard for women for men is like small, like petite, like, submissive, like, very feminine, like, childish.
	What do you think?
	Is that weird or is that normal?
	very weird the childish thing that is maybe a bit like a lot of i think guys who say that they like that wouldn't considered it childish They would just consider, oh, I want my girl to look like a girl.
	Like, that.
	To look like a collection.
	I think that a traditional, like, traditionally feminine.
	I don't think that's traditionally feminine as a guy wants specific.
	Like, no body hair.
	Like, she has to shave.
	Like, she has to wear makeup, like, dress.
	People have their preferences, which is fine, but if you get in a relationship with that person or like you're with that person and then you want them to change after, that's not fine.
	Like, you can go for that person off the bat, and that's fine.
	Yeah.
	And, like, if that's what you like, then, like, okay.
	Even like someone may think it's weird, someone may, like, agree with it, but you shouldn't tell them after the fact.
	By the way, like this, and you should be doing this.
	I think, like, baby talking is so weird.
	It's creepy.
	Like, that's what I thought you were talking about.
	Yeah, that's what I thought you were talking about first time.
	I think that's so nasty.
	Would you ever let a guy be Little Spoon?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Every night, bro.
	Honestly.
	Yeah.
	Little Spoon's where it's fucking at.
	I'm going to say it.
	I'm going to say it.
	So you've never, you wouldn't.
	One time a guy asked me to do it, and I was like, I love that.
	I bet you could.
	You should try to jetpack.
	Can I be Little Spoon?
	Bro, I'm five now.
	You have to switch size.
	You got a jetpack.
	You should try it.
	You got to be a little koala.
	I'm just saying.
	You got a jetpack.
	Y'all women have had Little Spoon on lock for too long.
	I like that.
	There's a reason it's on the bottom.
	But it's also easier to be Little Spoon when you're smaller.
	Yeah.
	But I'm not saying I'm not anti-Little Spoon.
	I mean, I'm not anti-Big Spoon.
	I'm down, but I prefer.
	I mean, I'm just wrapping up around it.
	You get the hair in the hair breathing.
	Little Spoon's where it's at.
	I prefer being the big spoon a lot of the time because I just get to like I just get to like wrap around them, you know?
	It's more comfortable.
	It's more comfortable.
	What are your guys' types in men?
	I don't have a type.
	I don't either.
	Honestly, I was thinking about this.
	I like half Asian, half white men.
	A lot of people like that.
	They like the Wasians.
	Hold on.
	I think I misheard you.
	I thought you just said I like half Asian, half-white men.
	What?
	I was like, she did ask.
	Is that not what you said?
	No, I said a lot of men.
	No, that's what you said.
	She asked what kind of men that you're in.
	I like half Asian, half.
	No, I'm kidding.
	No, I mean, I like them.
	No judgment.
	No judgment.
	Yeah, okay.
	I don't really have a type.
	I thought I did, but I find myself not really caring if they're like a nice guy and we get along.
	Yeah.
	Short kings.
	No.
	No, for me.
	For me.
	Oh.
	For me.
	Bro, she said, no.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm 5'10.
	If I was 5'2, I'd be all for a short kink.
	Like, for me, if I'm like getting with a guy who's six foot, that's like one to two inches taller than me based on the shoes we're wearing.
	And that's not very much compared to, like, if someone who's 5'2 is getting with someone who's 5'6, that's 4 inches.
	For me to get with someone who's 4 inches, they have to be 6'2.
	So, like, I don't know.
	If I was 5'2, then 5'6 would be totally fine.
	I don't know.
	Kylie, did you want to answer her question?
	There were a few questions there.
	So I think, so were you talking about type of type in men?
	But before that, you were talking about guys who kind of like the kink thing or something.
	We discussed it.
	Yeah, we ran that.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I think this is a better question.
	Okay.
	I love a good smile.
	That's like a huge thing for me.
	Good teeth.
	Uh-huh.
	Like the good teeth.
	Even if it's not good teeth, it's just like a dimple that she's in.
	I love it.
	And it's like the smile lines.
	Like the little dimples.
	Dimples all the way.
	I'm down horrendous.
	Going off of that, do you guys think nice guys finish first or last?
	Like, have you ever seen?
	I love nice guys.
	Last.
	No, I love that.
	I love last.
	You have to treat women well.
	That's the thing.
	That's why Mustang guy never won.
	He bought you in and out.
	We're back to Mustang.
	He can't act like that.
	Well, then he's not a nice guy if he's cocky.
	Yeah, I said he.
	That's why he said he's not a nice night.
	Oh, he's gonna never won.
	I don't know.
	I like a guy that has extra confidence, you know?
	Not necessarily cocky to the point where he's like bragging about everything, but you know, a guy that'll like do a little leg set and then like check himself out in the mirror.
	I fuck with that.
	Like self, I think there's a really big difference between confidence and self-esteem.
	You know?
	Like confidence.
	Like you could have no self-esteem and have a bunch of confidence.
	Like just full-on fake it till you make it, you know?
	But self-esteem is really attractive when guys actually like believe that themselves, you know?
	Yeah.
	Hot take back dimples on guys are really hot.
	Backs are cool.
	If a guy has a nice back, I'm all for it.
	I love a good ass.
	Yeah.
	Like a nice ass, too.
	Yeah.
	I literally stay smacking my man's ass, bro.
	He fucking hits me back like five times harder.
	Oh.
	He's like, no, because he's like, equal rights, equal fights.
	Because I keep smacking his ass super hard.
	He's like, come here.
	Yeah.
	Oh, go ahead.
	I was going to say, part of my type is I like lift a lot.
	And so if like a guy goes to the.
	Really?
	We should lift together.
	The Rex one?
	Both Fitness 19 and the Rexen.
	I do Fitness 19 too, man.
	I really, like, if a guy lifts and I can tell, or like, I love gym guys.
	I think that definitely makes it too.
	Because also, it's not even just about the way that it changes.
	They look.
	It shows they care about themselves and they spend the time.
	You know what I mean?
	Okay, so guys, we are wrapping up here pretty soon in a couple minutes.
	If you want, just get your last-minute super chats in if you want us to read them.
	We do have to go for some super chats.
	But before we do that, just to kind of wrap up the topic of tonight, which is who should pay on the first date, Chris, will you pull up?
	I don't think we watched.
	Did we watch all of the videos, Chris?
	The TikTok videos that we got.
	I watched a check here.
	Yeah.
	We did not.
	We missed one, this gem here.
	Oh, okay.
	This is a good one.
	This is slightly different.
	Is this before you play, Chris?
	Is this the last one?
	Can you just cycle through?
	I can't believe I have the leaders on this.
	Okay, we'll watch this one.
	We'll watch this.
	We'll give our take, and then we'll do super chats and wrap it up.
	I'm going to take a second to go ahead and talk about something that just happened to me because literally I fucking cannot.
	Let me put my shades on to try to hide the disdain.
	I went out on a casual little like, get to meet and greet with this dude who we have both canceled on each other multiple times.
	We go to like a local little bar thing and you know, he orders two drinks.
	I order one.
	He's like, let's go eat.
	I'm like, sounds great.
	Like, cool, we'll go eat.
	I asked for the checks and he's like, yeah, the checks.
	Pause it, Chris.
	Pause it.
	Just want to point out here, she asks for the checks.
	She asked.
	Continue the video.
	He proceeds to pay with his bill in cash and I pay mine, you know, with my card.
	We walk out and this man, I'm like, yeah, no, I'm not going to go.
	And he's like, are you sure?
	And I'm like, yeah, no, not for me.
	The fuck, I look like you got me fucked up.
	This man then proceeds to call me on my way home as I'm complaining to my homegirl about what a fucking horrible idea this was.
	And he's like, what was it?
	And I was like, bro, you know, it's the checks things.
	And he's like, well, I don't owe you anything.
	And like, this is not how I wanted to meet.
	Excuse me?
	Okay.
	You can go back, Chris, to full screen.
	Yo, my guy dodged a bullet with this one.
	I'm not going to lie.
	Like, she asked to split the checks and then gets upset when he agrees.
	Thoughts?
	Why don't we start with?
	Let's start with Aline.
	I think I would do this, but I wouldn't get upset.
	I wouldn't get upset.
	I would ask to split the check and I'd test him in my brain.
	I'd be like, let's see if you do this.
	Let's see if you pay for the bill, pick up the bill, offer to pay for mine.
	But if you actually do it, I won't get upset because I'm the one who said it.
	But so when you offer.
	But like, the thing is, if he pays for mine, I'm like, he's the one.
	He's the one.
	But so if you were to offer, it's sort of a token thing.
	You still, even when you offer, you want the guy to pay.
	Yes.
	Even though you offered.
	Yes.
	There's always a test for women.
	Bro, women, you gotta disagree with me.
	I figured it out like this.
	I totally disagree.
	What do you think?
	I disagree.
	I think that if you don't want something to happen, then don't do it.
	That's like step one into being manipulative.
	You know?
	Like, why would you be like, oh, okay, I'm going to get two checks.
	And then also, why would you even do that in the first place if you wanted him to pay?
	Then let him do that.
	You know?
	Like, let him ask for the checks if you want him to pay.
	You know what I mean?
	And with that being said, too, even if he did offer to pay yours, then she has to go back, put everything on one check.
	Like, it's a hassle.
	Like, that, what's the point of doing it if, like, like, you know?
	Sorry, I love you.
	Sydney, what do you think?
	I honestly don't care that much, but for me, it's not a set.
	It's a bonus point if they pay, but it's not like a setback if they don't.
	Like if they don't, I'll be like, oh, whatever.
	Like I totally understand.
	But if they pay, then I'm like, oh, like thank you so much.
	I almost like feel bad when people pay for me.
	So like sometimes I prefer to pay for myself and I'm like, I'm like, oh, well, thank you so much.
	Like are you sure?
	Are you sure?
	And I've never not offered to pay.
	So.
	But when you offer to pay, would you is it like a token offer?
	No, I will pay them.
	Okay.
	Like how much was it?
	And I won't be offended.
	Got it.
	So what's your take on her?
	because she offered to pay, but then he took her up on it.
	Maybe he didn't understand the subtext, but...
	No, I don't think she should have gotten...
	If you, it wasn't a genuine offer of hers, then, like, don't make the offer if you don't want someone to accept it.
	That's on her.
	Right.
	I think it's very manipulative and just super immature, like, to do it as a test, is to be like, oh, yeah, like, separate checks, and then get upset if he doesn't immediately be like, oh, yeah, like, we'll pay.
	Like, how is he supposed to know that that's a test?
	Like, why are we, why is dating supposed to be, like, a game now?
	Like, I don't understand.
	Like, why can't we just.
	What happened?
	What happened?
	Like, well, it's not even a shit.
	It's not a test per se.
	Exactly.
	Because I won't get mad if he doesn't, because I've offered.
	It's more of a bonus.
	Yeah.
	Bonus point.
	It's not like he's not losing points if he if he doesn't, but he's going to it's free points that if he does.
	That's what I'm saying.
	That makes sense.
	Okay, I can see that.
	I can see that.
	I'm not going to get mad because obviously.
	Yeah, you shouldn't expect it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I'm always going to go to the date ready to pay for my own skin.
	So the question is, is that with you, is it a test or are you actually genuinely offering?
	I'm genuinely offering.
	I'm just saying it's a test because it can affect the way that I like and perceive you.
	So it's a predetermined thing.
	Yeah, like you go in being like, oh, I'm going to ask him.
	No, it's, it's, no, it's, I don't go in.
	It's like at the moment, oh, the bill's in front of me.
	I'm like, let's, let's split.
	Like, I'm not expecting anything.
	Like, you're expecting to pay.
	I'm expecting to pay.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	But if he offers to pay for mine, that's bonus point.
	Oh, that makes sense.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I'm not going to get upset if he doesn't say that.
	That's fine.
	Yeah.
	Aww, King.
	So my take on it, as far as her freak out or whatever, I mean, she's the one who asked for the checks.
	You can't get upset when he agrees.
	Oh, no, the consequences of my actions.
	Like, I mean, he dodged a bullet for sure.
	Also, stay away from women who do these hand gestures when talking, just saying.
	What hand gesture?
	Disagreed.
	I love talking with my hands.
	No, no, no.
	I'm not saying her.
	No, the clapping.
	Yeah, just the way the ratchet clap.
	Stay away.
	Red flag.
	Okay.
	So.
	Stay away from men who wear American flag snapbacks.
	Oof.
	Well, actually, the only reason I put it on is because you guys were roasting me before the show started because I had some dandruffs.
	Dude, I said that as a courtesy.
	You had stuff in your hair.
	Hey, I'm not.
	I'm not upset.
	I wasn't making fun of you.
	I was just like, yo, you got a dandruff in your hair.
	I threw the hat on, though, just because I was not stream ready.
	So I'm going to kind of end the thing with who should pay.
	I'm going to give my, my take.
	Um, so, um, would you guys agree that the guy paying is a traditional, it's a traditional thing, right?
	It is tradition.
	The guy pays.
	It's not facts.
	That's not an opinion.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so would agree traditionally, yes.
	Yeah, tradition, like it's a traditional thing for the guy to pay to provide, etc.
	Yeah.
	I mean, so my advice to men is you do not participate in traditional courtship with non-traditional women.
	That's that's okay.
	You really had a hundred years ago.
	You saved yourself there, man.
	That's my thing.
	And news flash, by the way.
	It's 2022.
	No way.
	What?
	Sabrina wins.
	Newsflash.
	I would wager to say that probably most women are not traditional.
	And probably I think a lot of guys are not traditional anymore either.
	But honestly, if you try to be traditional with a non-traditional woman, you're probably going to get burned, I think.
	Or just be yourself.
	Or just communicate in a healthy person.
	Communication with somebody else or someone.
	Only pay if you want to.
	No matter what relationship it is, like communication.
	Exactly.
	It's key.
	And if you communicated properly, you would know that your personalities didn't work well together.
	And if you did, then guess what?
	You may be non-traditional and she may be traditional or vice versa.
	Who cares?
	Opposites attract.
	Do you.
	If she likes it, if they like it, if your partner likes it, keep doing it and vice versa.
	Yeah, I mean, everybody can operate how they want, but I would say that, at least for me, my take, traditional courtship is reserved for traditional women.
	That's my take.
	And you know, the other thing is, is that so the dating meta is such, and I think this is on both sides.
	I don't want to provide if she's sleeping with another guy.
	And if you go on the first date with a girl, the dating meta is such, not all women, I'm not saying this is for all women, but the dating meta is such that you have to assume that the other person is sleeping with at least one other person.
	At least.
	And this could be guys too.
	If you're a girl, you're going on a date with a guy.
	You probably, unless you, how can you know beforehand going in, you have to assume he's sleeping with at least one other girl?
	We had a girl on, I'm trying to remember if it was one of the previous shows, but I mean, like, she was saying that she was, had been, she, at her peak, she was concurrently hooking up with five guys, okay?
	So to me, I just don't want to spend money on a girl, but there's no way to know.
	Because the dating meta is such that, like I said, you have to assume that they're sleeping with somebody else.
	I don't want to pay on the first date because you're assuming that I won't pay on the first date.
	I won't pay on the first date.
	Why?
	You're not going to have a chance.
	Because you're assuming that she's hooking up with other people.
	You have to assume.
	And even if she is, it's the first date.
	It's not like you guys are dating.
	But you're not going to have a chance to do that.
	So why do I have to adhere to my.
	It's if you want to.
	You don't have to, but just know what that makes you look like.
	But I shouldn't, my take is that I shouldn't have to adhere to my traditional gender roles if she's not adhering to hers.
	You don't know, though.
	There's no way to know.
	There's no way to know.
	But I mean, like, the meta, like the dating meta is, like, you have to assume.
	Yo, you fucking.
	Yeah, you fucking bro.
	You put out?
	No, okay.
	I kind of, I get what you're saying.
	You won't adhere to your true.
	Okay, but question.
	When you say, she lifted, bro.
	She's ripped.
	She lifted and lifted.
	But do it again.
	Do it again.
	Let's see the guns.
	Hell yeah.
	God damn.
	Okay.
	Aw, vals.
	Death by snooznoo.
	Okay.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	I don't think I left at all.
	Sorry.
	I was just going to ask when you said you don't want to adhere to your traditional dating tropes if we're not.
	Yeah, right.
	Like the roles.
	Yeah, traditional dating role.
	If she isn't.
	And to what extent are you going to take that?
	You know?
	Because like with anything that is traditional or even anything now, you could take things to extremes.
	But it's also saying that you refuse to pay on the first date, no matter you, no matter what, like that sounds like an ultimatum and that's like it's not an ultimatum.
	So you make her pay for your meal.
	No no, she doesn't pay for me.
	Oh, it's like 50, 50 we.
	I would.
	Yeah, it'd be like 50, 50, either split or we pay our own way.
	I would not have a girl pay for me.
	Oh okay, if she offered, i'd maybe take her up on it the way you said it.
	It kind of be like i'm not great, but it's fine, absolutely not.
	I'm not saying i'm not saying that.
	I'm definitely not saying that uh, I would make the girl pay it's, it's not that, it's just I would pay for whatever I get.
	She pays for whatever she gets.
	That's my personal thing.
	Um, I know that for that's probably some girls decent amount of girls are gonna take quarrel with that and that's fine.
	Would would you make that clear before you went on the date?
	Because I agree, I would not, you wouldn't, I would not say that i'm paying for you so, but I don't, I don't know what i'm saying.
	Would you have dinner dates?
	I'll get.
	I'll grab a drink with the girl okay well no, i'm saying, would you make it clear that you want to split the bill on a date before the date even starts?
	Like, will you make that clear and be like hey, at the end of this, we're can't.
	No, that'd just be, that'd just be awkward.
	If you want to hear some gangster shit, you get there five minutes early.
	You tell the waiter waiter, i'm going.
	I have a beautiful young lady coming.
	Uh, by the at the end, I want you to bring me two checks.
	Boom, there you go.
	That makes it less.
	That's okay.
	That's one way to do it.
	But I really like the way that one woman, the way the thing that that one woman said with the fantastic eyeliner, how she said that if someone is asking you out on a date, you are going out of your way.
	But women do not ask guys out.
	I do, she does you.
	We are literally proving like yeah huh okay, let me okay so, but that's the issue.
	Is you think we don't?
	Yeah, you guys assume y'all okay, so maybe you do that with the top 10, 20 of guys, but I think i'm like average looking.
	So my, my dating experience sound like that.
	Okay, once again, there's nothing less attractive than I don't.
	I may be wrong, this is for me personally, but back me up here if you agree.
	Um, I said this earlier, guys assume that we care that much about looks.
	Personality is means way more to us honestly probably, than what it means to you guys, you know.
	So they have four random girls telling you this who are in college.
	Looks looks, are certainly a factor.
	I don't think it's the be all end all, but certainly it's a factor, I agree.
	I think you can make up for it with confidence, personality.
	If you have some status um, if you're financially well off there's, there's plenty of ways to make up for it.
	But uh, I mean, my experience has been and this is more so, like on dating apps, if I don't make the first move, that shit's never happening.
	I have to take initiative.
	That's true.
	If I wait, if it's what I mean, it's on me no, it's well, I mean.
	No, of course it's on me.
	I have to take.
	That came out wrong.
	But no, that came out wrong.
	But so my experience is like, as far as initiative, from be it asking the girl for a number, asking her on a date, setting the date up, going for the kiss, moving things forward sexually, every single step along the way, if I didn't do it, she's not going to do it.
	Would you overwhelmingly?
	Would you be okay with the girl making the first move in every situation?
	Has that ever happened to you?
	Well, I would, of course, be okay with it.
	In fact, I would invite it.
	In fact, it's refreshing.
	The thing is, though, is that I have to live in reality.
	It just does not happen.
	And if I don't do it as the men, if I don't take initiative, and don't get me wrong, I will definitely take initiative.
	But if I don't, then it's just never going to happen.
	Do you think you make it known that you think that way?
	What do you mean think that way?
	Because like her.
	If they know, if the girl already knows that you're going to take initiative for everything, if anyone already knows you're going to do everything.
	That's a fair point.
	You could just sit back, relax, and enjoy it.
	But you don't have to do anything.
	Because it is easier to be, I guess, initiated upon.
	So then why change it up?
	So that's a fair point.
	Yeah.
	And if you make that known that you, like, you know what I mean?
	Like, if you're the first one to do everything, why would she do something else?
	I sort of agree with you, but so if I'm dating someone for a while, let's say we've been dating for a couple weeks, a couple months, whatever.
	Yeah.
	And I find that, for example, I'm always the one that sort of has to initiate things or start things for sex.
	Like I might say, hey, you know, I'd have a conversation with her and just say, you know what, it really turns me on if you were to initiate one.
	That's maybe not the exact wording, but I would appreciate it if you initiated.
	Do you think that maybe that leads more to her not reciprocating and it being a bigger issue than just that?
	Like if a relationship, it sounds a little one-sided, I'm not going to lie.
	Like that's a bummer.
	Oh, you mean that I'm putting in too much.
	I mean, but I think that.
	There's a different level of it.
	But also, but speaking more so in the initial phases of dating, like you said I should try to communicate that, but I'm not.
	You think if I'm messaging a girl on Tinder, or actually I'm not on Tinder, I haven't been on there in a while.
	Hinge.
	That's a good one.
	I'm like, hey, we've been chatting for a while.
	I'd really like it if, you know, you asked me out.
	I don't think that's going to go over well.
	No, that's not what I'm saying.
	When I said that, I was referring more to when you said that you refused to pay for her the first date no matter what, no matter what kind of girl she is, no matter anything, it's just kind of a rule.
	Actually, there's one exception.
	If I'm dating someone who's a bit younger and I'm like clearly the breadwinner, then like, you know, if she's in college, then there's a bit more leeway.
	You dating college girls, bro?
	Bro.
	I have a range.
	Whoa, okay, we can talk.
	We can get into this one quite a bit.
	No, can we not?
	I have to go home and sleep, my guy.
	Yeah, why don't we, you sure you don't want to get into this?
	Because this is a good one.
	We could do a part two.
	Jello waiting at home.
	Jello.
	So, wait, so you would object to me dating a girl who's like 21, 22?
	How old are you?
	33.
	33, yeah.
	I don't care.
	It's just, no, like, that age gap isn't that large.
	It's just like.
	I like DILFs.
	I like older guys.
	Same.
	But I don't know.
	For me.
	Just hearing it out loud sounds weird to me.
	I mean, that's.
	She's mature for her age.
	It's like that.
	That sense of it.
	Like, don't get me wrong.
	It's not that I would exclusively date college girls.
	Like, actually, a girl I was dating, maybe I'll even get flack for this.
	I was dating a woman who's 45 over the summer.
	Good for you.
	MILF.
	Chat, she didn't have kids.
	Okay.
	Not a single mother.
	But like, I'd say most of the women I date are like late 20s, early 30s in that age range.
	But like, I would not have an issue dating a woman who's 21.
	Well, that doesn't, we're not saying that that's okay.
	No, but you guys recoiled.
	Well, that's because there will always be, especially.
	You didn't have an issue with it.
	There will always be, even if it's just a man, there will be a man and a woman.
	But the fact that it's a man who is much, much older, there will always be an abuse of power.
	And even you just said that if I was the breadwinner, I would pay.
	And the only time I would ever pay for a girl on a date or do that for her is if she was younger than me.
	Because that's about proportionality.
	If she doesn't, like if she's in college, she doesn't make money.
	And I want to take her.
	Well, okay, there's a few things.
	If I want to take her somewhere nice, like I want to take a girl to the Ritz O bar, by the way.
	I used to work there.
	My friend loves a bistro at the beach or if I want to like take my girl to Hawaii and she's in college and I want like I'm a treater.
	So it's like you gotta wait for her winter break.
	But like okay, so but I do real adults.
	Like it's not like even though we're in school like see this is the thing like men are not allowed men are not allowed to have preferences standards and boundaries since that is bullshit.
	It's always met with contempt and shaming language.
	Oh, that's I mean I guess just keep it to yourself.
	You can have like you can have like preferences, but just don't like voice them.
	Don't make it like a fetish.
	Don't tell somebody whatever.
	Well, I don't think I made it a fetish.
	No, no, you didn't.
	I'm saying it would be weird if it was a fetish, but I think there's no problem with dating someone younger because like we date.
	I think we recoiled because when I heard college girls, I thought it was exclusively college girls.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I just like in my brain.
	I thought abuse of power and you're currently sitting with four college girls.
	I just feel like that's me and I'm like, I don't feel like an adult.
	That I'm saying.
	Like I still don't know.
	Yeah, but we were talking about contexts in which I would pay for a date and that is one context in which I would more willingly be willing to pay because there's a proportionality in terms of what we can afford.
	And so I think I'd if I want to go to a really nice place and she doesn't work and she's in college, then I'd be more willing to pay.
	If a person asked me to a nice place, I expect them to pay.
	But like I've had experiences where wouldn't you just do it to be kind?
	Why isn't that an option?
	Let me just finish.
	So I've had some experiences where I've dated women who are make more money than I do.
	And so in those scenarios, I mean, should they pay?
	I mean, it's just weird because I've dated, there's one woman in particular.
	She was a litigation attorney, making $200,000 to $300,000 a year.
	She still wanted the guy to pay.
	And I'm like, bruv, you make $300,000.
	Sorry, Andrew Tate is rubbing off on me.
	So, But I don't really, okay, so I do want to challenge the age thing a bit.
	So what do you think about cougars?
	the only thing that i said is that no matter what relationship especially with that big of an age difference there will always be an abuse of power so you think though that is my opinion So you think an older guy dating someone younger or an older woman dating someone younger, there is a power imbalance and it's abusive?
	No, an abuse of power.
	That doesn't mean you're being abusive.
	It's an abuse of power during relationships.
	It's like if your boss, not, this is not a great analogy, but you're just, you're older.
	There's like that extent being that much older, like 10, oh, okay, in your situation, not really.
	Okay, being employer, employee, that's a whole different.
	No, I know.
	That's why I didn't go off.
	Go on there.
	It was a bad analogy.
	But what I'm saying is that with relationships that have such a large age gap, there will be an abuse of power because there is an extensive amount of experience that the younger one had just never experienced.
	And it's super, and it's easier to take advantage of.
	In certain situations, like with certain people, not necessarily like you specifically.
	No, I'm not talking about you.
	I'm saying in general.
	But we could also say that women get more experience romantically than men do.
	In general.
	Who cares?
	But that's.
	No.
	Okay, I don't get why that's okay.
	So.
	What if you were dating someone with dementia?
	And he's like, wait, what?
	It's getting Chris.
	Bring out the olive.
	It's getting late.
	But wait, I don't understand why that has anything to do with it.
	Hold on, I got to play this for Chris.
	Hold on.
	Everybody knows you never go full retime.
	You see what I'm saying?
	If you were a young woman and there was this very old man with dementia and you wanted to date him because he likes going to Denny's and you want to use it.
	Okay, but he has your discount.
	Dementia, that's a good idea.
	He probably thinks he's in his 20s.
	I don't get why we keep bringing things up that are basically the same that are just like the switched version of it with male and woman.
	It doesn't make it any better or any worse.
	But I do think, broadly speaking, like what people view as socially acceptable, I don't think anyone has, like, people wouldn't look down on cougars.
	Like it has its own Wikipedia page and shit.
	Yeah, it's also a huge fetish.
	Literally, like, that's.
	Everyone gets looked down on.
	It's not looked down on as much as older men dating younger women because cougars and MILFs are a fetish that have been chem up by men.
	Like Dilfs are just now starting to be like, okay, maybe, like, maybe let's not criticize that and judge that just now.
	Right?
	Like, do you know what I'm trying to say?
	Whereas, like, for example, just easy example, Stacey's mom.
	Literally a middle school.
	She got it going on.
	Yeah, it's just, it's not criticized as much because it's not fetishized, because it's fetishized.
	You know what I mean?
	Love is love, applies to age.
	And I think that people are going to get hate for whatever they do.
	Agreed.
	Anything.
	So just do whatever you want.
	That is the moral of the podcast.
	Do what you want to do.
	Pay for her.
	Pay for her food.
	Do whatever you want.
	If you don't and she gets mad, she wasn't the one.
	Exactly.
	Communication.
	Communication is key.
	Communication major over here.
	But yeah, I mean, yeah, I just feel like that was an interesting insight there.
	It does seem to me that men are very often shamed when they have, and I don't even have necessarily a preference for women who are like younger.
	And when I say younger, I mean like, say, 18 to 23 or whatever.
	But, and I mean, it's of the women I've dated in the past couple years, like, most of them are 27 to 33 in that weirdest thing in chat.
	45, I guess.
	Sounds like 45.
	Yeah, I don't want to get too deep into that just because, but, um, yeah, so kind of just to bringing it back to the who should pay thing.
	I'm trying to.
	I am so fucking tired.
	We're almost done.
	I'm sorry, Kylie.
	We are almost done.
	We'll wrap up in five minutes here.
	You said that literally.
	I know, like, 45 minutes.
	We went off.
	No.
	We went off.
	I'm in Oakham Midsummer.
	I had plans at like 9.30.
	Okay, then let's just read the super chats here and then we'll wrap it up.
	Chris, can you pull up the super chats?
	You could always do like a part two.
	Yeah, we'll do it.
	Let's do a part two.
	I like this panel.
	Yeah, this was a really good panel.
	I like the debate.
	You guys were awesome.
	Multiple people in the comments want you guys, all of you guys.
	Yeah, so we're going to do some shows next week so we can always have you guys on next week.
	We're the breadwinners here.
	So guys.
	We're the breadwinners here.
	We're the breadwinners.
	So what we'll do is we'll pick back up some of these conversations next week.
	Okay.
	Waffles, 100%.
	Wait, Chris, can you sorry, can you go back up just so I can read them?
	I don't know where we're.
	We left off at ask Sydney about.
	No, I think we were on jeweling.
	No, no, I already stayed in the wing.
	I don't think I read it, though.
	I just got to read it.
	Does professional jeweling.
	Garbage fries, $2.
	Does professional jeweling up someone's dating value?
	Negative.
	Thank you for the $2 super chat.
	He's a 10, but he's a professional jeweler.
	Next one.
	That's a great one.
	Nina Hepburn, $7.
	Thank you for the $2 super chat.
	This was the Dylan one.
	Much appreciated.
	Nina Hepburn, ask Sydney.
	Okay, next.
	Sam Wilkins, do you guys think cats are as emotionally attached as dogs?
	No, cats will eat you if you die.
	Next question.
	As they should.
	I like that.
	Mr. Mojo Risen with the $2 super chat.
	What do you like more?
	Waffles?
	Waffles duh.
	Waffles.
	Neither.
	Keto.
	Keto.
	Poncho.
	Sky toast.
	Keto's a fake diet.
	Keto doesn't work.
	Sorry, it's bad for you.
	It's not bad for you.
	Listen.
	You just got it.
	I've gotten a little bit chubby.
	Are you a keto?
	I'm getting a little chubby.
	I'm doing low carb.
	Are you bulking?
	I'm doing low carb.
	Just work out.
	I've been stressed.
	Just lift and do potatoes.
	I'm a little chubby.
	I need a little bit of a break.
	We're off topic.
	We're just going to pay you back as you're doing tomatoes.
	Next one, Chris.
	Kylie, got a whole bunch.
	Next one.
	How do you get started in the podcast game?
	Question for the host.
	Hey, Sam Wilkins, really appreciate the Canadian $14.
	Thank you.
	Dupont Francais, are you from the French-speaking or the English-speaking?
	Sam Wilkins, how do you get started in the podcast game?
	That's a nice card, by the way, dude, in your thumbnail.
	Sam, so it took us six months to get this fucking podcast going.
	We definitely pulled out all the sops.
	I thought, honestly, when I got started, I thought it'd be two weeks, but it turned into six months of prep.
	So honestly, just research a ton.
	I self-taught everything and with the help of Calamity Chris back there on the ones and twos.
	Maybe I'll do a video at some point on our whole setup.
	But yeah, I mean, and we're new to the podcast game, so we're still figuring it out.
	CJ the Spartan.
	Oh, wait, I got you.
	I got something for you, buddy.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for the $2 super chat, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Would you date a man under five feet, under 410?
	Just really quick.
	No, no.
	Do they sorry?
	Listen.
	I've never seen a man little person.
	That's like 99th percentile men.
	No.
	That's very small.
	There's someone out there for you, though.
	That's not the 510 bitches.
	Micro penis status.
	I'm sorry.
	Jesus.
	No, I'm sorry.
	No, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	What if they're packing?
	No, I'm sorry.
	What's up with you and micro penis?
	I think she's gonna.
	No, it's like the slim, unfortunate population.
	Very small, unfortunately.
	And we're so sorry.
	We're not the ones for you.
	I'll tell you this.
	If her height doesn't start with four, she ain't the one.
	Okay, next super chat.
	Mr. Mojo Ryzen, thank you for all the super chats, man.
	Appreciate it.
	$5 super chat.
	Just wanted to say thank you to these lovely girls.
	They made this an entertaining and fun podcast.
	No sex before marriage.
	Well said.
	Yes.
	Man of God.
	I'm a virgin.
	Abstinence is key.
	Next one, Chris.
	Hold on.
	One sec.
	Cougars are scary.
	What are Panthers?
	Is that the male equivalent?
	It's basically the same.
	Oh, I don't know, actually.
	Silverflop.
	I don't know.
	That stuff.
	I have no idea.
	Dano.
	Dano?
	Oh, that's Pink Panther.
	I think it was a joke.
	I think it was a joke.
	Yeah, it was very much a joke.
	Be sarcastic.
	This one's a little serious, though.
	Oh.
	Oh, is this the new?
	Is this the last one?
	Have you ever seen Harry Wynne?
	Are Caucasian women attracted to Asian?
	My boyfriend is half Asian.
	I think it's the K-pop wave.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, definitely.
	Oh, my God, BTS.
	But I also think a majority of Asian girls, like I'm friends with a lot of them, and everyone's pretty much attracted to white guys, which is strange.
	I don't know why.
	Wait, the Asian women, they're attracted to white guys?
	A lot of them are.
	Like, exclusively white guys.
	Would you date an Asian guy?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But like, I'd say like a lot of my friends who are Asian, they tend to look at like white guys more for some reason.
	And it's not like, it's not like a fetish thing or whatever.
	It's like a preference.
	But I don't know.
	It's like strange.
	If you have statistics or you like interview a bunch of them, they'll say like white guys.
	It's weird.
	I'm actually surprised that women.
	I need to be careful how I phrase this.
	Don't get kidding me.
	Well, it's not even that bad, but I am surprised there does seem to be.
	I do think Asian guys can struggle dating-wise, even within their own race.
	I'm certainly not an expert in it.
	It could be interesting to bring on an Asian guy and see what he has to say.
	But I think women should date.
	Asian men are great.
	It's not because they're Asian.
	It's because a majority of them are shorter in height or they don't have like a majority of them aren't like that like masculine.
	I'm not saying like all of them.
	I'm saying like statistically speaking.
	Like it can be hard for like you don't see a lot of Asian guys in athletics and like a lot of girls are into athletes.
	Muscular, right?
	Yeah, muscular, like but yeah, that's like for me, I don't, I mean, I'm not gonna like just because someone's race, I'm not gonna be like, oh, I don't like it.
	It's not like it's not like it's not my first pick.
	I don't know.
	It's more of like a correlation, not really like an exact like.
	I would say for me, it's personal preference.
	It's nothing personal.
	They don't like an Asian guy probably wouldn't.
	I mean, if they're like a hot, I don't know.
	If they're hot, they're hot.
	Yeah, if they're hot, they're hot.
	It's not like a race thing.
	Yeah, it's not even a race thing, but I don't know.
	I think white guys catch my eye more.
	Let me some Asian men, bro.
	Yeah.
	Well, I've seen Blade River exclusively Asian men.
	Like, it just depends on the girl.
	But I'm talking like overall majority.
	And I have spoken to, we'll get you out of here in just a sec.
	Yeah, I've spoken to some Asian guys, and they've told me that they've definitely felt like they're at a disadvantage.
	And so I do think there's certainly some truth to that.
	But I mean, I know a ton of fucking dope, awesome Asian guys.
	And so, anyways, we will pick up some of these topics next week.
	I think maybe we'll see some similar faces again.
	I think we had a really great panel.
	Thank you guys so much for coming.
	I got all the super chats, Chris.
	Chris?
	Yes, all the super chats have been super dope.
	Great.
	All right.
	Well, thank you guys so much for tuning in.
	We are going, the next dating talk show will be, we're going to do for sure Tuesday, Thursday, 7 p.m. next week.
	And I might be doing an interview with somebody.
	It might be Clydesdale, if you guys know who that is.
	Sunday.
	Maybe.
	I'm trying to wrangle him in.
	But yeah, thank you guys so much for tuning in.
	Thank you to my panel.
	And we'll see you next time.
	Thank you guys.

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